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Raiders-Saints follow-up

Not a lot of new information to be had during a conference call with coach Hue Jackson with Bay Area media, but here some updates and impressions:

– Jackson won’t yet name a backup quarterback, saying he’s pretty sure he knows which way he’s going but isn’t yet willing to share the information.

Makes sense, really. That way, if the backup gets hurt against Seattle, he isn’t publicly going with No. 3 to be next man up behind Jason Campbell on Sept. 12.

Kyle Boller was much more decisive than Trent Edwards in going 5-for-7 for 69 yards and is the odds-on choice to be the backup.

– Jackson wouldn’t name a starting offensive line (sensing a trend here?), but did say of the unit featuring Jared Veldheer at left tackle, Stefen Wisniewski at left guard, Samson Satele at center, Cooper Carlisle at right guard and Khalif Barnes at right tackle, “I’m not going to tell you I’m set, but I’m definitely moving in that direction.”

The Raiders offensive line play has been a pleasant surprise.

– If there were any injuries coming out of the New Orleans game, Jackson kept them well-hidden. Cornerback Jeremy Ware limped off after a kickoff return, with Jackson saying it was a sprain they would work through this week.

– It will be interesting to see how much leeway injured draft picks get as cutdown day approaches. When sitting down with the head coach to formulate the roster, Al Davis hates to cut fairly recent draft picks.

At this point, it’s hard not to make a case for undrafted cornerback Sterling Moore over Walter McFadden, Derek Hagan over Chaz Schilens and Jerome Boyd over Mike Mitchell. In Mitchell’s case, it hardly seems fair _ he hasn’t been healthy enough to practice. But when cutdown day comes, the Raiders have to make the call whether to put a rusty player on the roster who may not be ready or put him on injured reserve _ ending his season.

– Amusing to see so many people willing to sell DeMarcus Van Dyke down the river because he couldn’t cover Larry Fitzgerald and got roasted by Drew Brees. Is it possible the standards may be a tad high for a third-round draft pick?

Fact is, on four or five of those plays against Arizona and New Orleans he was very close to being able to make a play. If he gets a hand on a couple of them, things look much different. If the Raiders are smart, they’ll put him out there for three quarters against Seattle and just let him play.

– Jackson duly noted the offensive positives _ four scoring drives in the first six posessions, touchdown drives of 91 and 80 yards. A 20-17 lead in the third quarter.

– As for the leaky pass defense, Jackson believes the issues are easily fixable through hard work. There aren’t a lot of trades to be had at this point, so he has little choice but to believe that.

Keep in mind it was Brees doing the damage, and he always torches the Raiders. Killed them in the preseason in 2009. Killed them in the regular-season in 2008. Killed them with some near-perfect games while quarterback of the San Diego Chargers. Business as usual.

– Since I’m going to assume Jacoby Ford will sit out the preseason finale along with Darren McFadden, it remains to be seen what Jackson will do as far as a punt return specialist. Looking at the roster, you’ve got to think Denarius Moore has a lead because it’s going to be difficult to keep Nick Miller around assuming that Darrius Heyward-Bey, Louis Murphy, Derek Hagan and Chaz Schilens all make the 53-man roster.

– As for DHB, his problems adjusting to a ball in flight were on display early as he twisted, turned and ultimately couldn’t find a Campbell deep throw in the first quarter. Later, on the kind of slant pass he has caught routinely in camp, came a drop. To be fair, the New Orleans defender appeared to hit him before the ball came out, but it still could have been caught.

The Raiders practice Tuesday and Wednesday at 11:15 a.m. in Alameda (closed to the media) before leaving for Seattle Thursday.

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  • Method To My Madness

    595.No Mas Diamante Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am
    They will probobly be called the Southern California Chargers. Hell it’s all like one long city from L.A. to S.D anyway.

    ***********************

    And a long stretch of fine ass bzies lol

  • Dakota

    Breaking News:

    Raiders cut 7 players and place Mike Mitchell on PUP to take the roster down to 80.

    84 Adeniji, Damola
    15 Bayes, Shawn
    73 Cumbie, Jamie
    13 Goulet, Steve
    44 Kelly, Bryson
    4 Pakulak, Glenn
    67 Schuening, Roy

    PUP Mike Mitchell

    http://www.raiders.com/news/index.html

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    I dont have my magnifying glass so I dont see anything for DHB.
    ______

    # Method To My Madness Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:50 am

    Look at Hagan’s numbers the last two years then look at DHB’s…..see something there?

  • Thec07

    Method To My Madness Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:47 am
    I like Hagan and Moore to start in Denver with Ford as the slot guy….

    ++++++++++++

    In a 3 Wr set yes…

    In a 2 Wr set I want JFORD with DMOORE or HAGEN…

  • Method To My Madness

    599.J Hill Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Chargers moving to LA is going to be better for them, just like it would be better for the Raiders.

    Any Raider fan rooting for the Chargers to move to LA is not thinking about the big picture.

    As a Raider fan, if not the Raiders, I’d prefer to see the Vikings relocate here.

    *************************

    No you arent thinking big picture…..Raiders home is up here….chargers moving there stop all this Raiders to LA crap finally

  • No Mas Diamante

    Thec, I don’t know that Chaz makes the team unless he gets on it pretty quickly.

  • Method To My Madness

    Jhill you dont understand the hurt people went through when they left….you dont get it

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    The bench slot, sure
    _____

    # No Mas Diamante Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am

    Put dhb in the slot and see how he does.

  • Thec07

    MistaBrown Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    What problem? Having 2 WR is NOT a problem. The only problem is DHB taking snaps away from those guys.
    10 on 11 sux. Ask JC about it!

    +++++++

    Calling it a problem is buzzword speak…It is great to have depth, and if coach Jackson is true to his word DHB will come in on certain downs maybe 4 Wr sets or run plays as he is a good blocker…

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Eggzackly

    Jhill’s elevator dont go to the top?
    ____

    # Method To My Madness Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am

    No you arent thinking big picture…..Raiders home is up here….chargers moving there stop all this Raiders to LA crap finally

  • Dakota

    607.Method To My Madness Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:54 am
    Jhill you dont understand the hurt people went through when they left….you dont get it
    +++++++++++++++

    Yeah, it is weird you wanted them back at all. That girl cheated on you and you took her back, and she still wants to get with that LA guy and you still want to keep her……kinda sad Brien!

  • Thec07

    In a 2 Wr set I want JFORD with DMOORE or HAGEN…

    +++++++++

    Reason for JFORD is I know that no DB including NAM21
    or Revis can cover him 1 on 1….He needs to be on the field most downs….

  • WetLunGz

    Is nfl net gonna replay it again? Comcast screwed me…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    John Clayton says the Pats are likely to bring in Pat Williams for a look.

    6’3″, 317 lbs., career run stuffer.

    Get on the phone to Al, Method!

  • No Mas Diamante

    You know he’s going to play mista. might as well line up where he has a chance of actually making a catch.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Thec I get you but I see a problem as when we have 4 or 5 good WR’s and you cant get all of them on the field at the same time. We have 3 id like to see on the field Ford/Moore/Hagan.

    F all the rest

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Dakota Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:52 am
    Breaking News:

    Raiders cut 7 players and place Mike Mitchell on PUP to take the roster down to 80.

    84 Adeniji, Damola
    15 Bayes, Shawn
    73 Cumbie, Jamie
    13 Goulet, Steve
    44 Kelly, Bryson
    4 Pakulak, Glenn
    67 Schuening, Roy

    PUP Mike Mitchell

    +++++++++++++

    No surprises in the cuts.

    Can Mitchell come off the PUP any time or does he have to stay there for a certain number of weeks?

  • Buckeyeraider

    About the only legitimate concern I have from Sunday night’s game was the lack of pass rush from the D-line. Neither Matt Shaughnessy or Lammar Houston had much impact.

    I think they are both great young players and have no concerns about them long term, but they’re showing vs new Orleans was not impressive.

    Seymour wasn’t out there drawing all the attention, but he wasn’t in there in last season’s finale either, when the D-line pummelled Matt Cassell into submission. So, I don’t know what was going on.

    Some of it can be attributed to Brees and NO’s quick rhythm, timing passing attack that neutralizes a pass rush. But far too often on Sunday night, both Brees and his backup seemingly had 7-10 seconds to sit back there with no pressure at all. It was painful to watch.

    They were sliding Houston in to DT(his natural college position), and rushing Wimbley from DE alot. Neither Kelly nor Houston..or Bryant for that matter could get any pressure up the middle vs Brees. You have to get in his face to have any chance at success.

    The Raiders were 2nd in the league last year with 47 sacks, and I think they’ll be fine in the long run…but that was the one thing from this game that bothered me the most.

  • No Mas Diamante

    Al won’t be up for a few more hours.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    No Mas, he has the same chance in the slot as he does the bench. There’s no reason for him being on the field.

    The end

  • Thec07

    MistaBrown Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am
    Thec I get you but I see a problem as when we have 4 or 5 good WR’s and you cant get all of them on the field at the same time. We have 3 id like to see on the field Ford/Moore/Hagan.

    F all the rest
    +++++

    Baring injury thats what you will see…

  • No Mas Diamante

    agree but you know he will be. al is not going to back off on that and everyone knows it.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    No Mas, did you fall and hit your head as an infant ?

  • Silverandblack666

    My WR depth chart

    1. HAGAN
    2. DMOORE
    3. JFORD
    4. Chaz
    5. LMURPHY
    6. DHB

    AD’s WR depth chart

    1. DHB
    2. Chaz
    3. Ford
    4. Murphy
    5. Hagen
    6. Moore

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Buckeyeraider Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:57 am
    About the only legitimate concern I have from Sunday night’s game was the lack of pass rush from the D-line. Neither Matt Shaughnessy or Lammar Houston had much impact.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Houston had a sack (well, half of one)

    What concerned me was Wimbley only relying on his “dip” move.

    I will agree Shaughnessy was quieter than I would’ve liked to see.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    No Mas,
    I do not know he will be. Hue said he will play the best players.

    Pay attention!

  • Thec07

    SilverNBlackPA Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
    John Clayton says the Pats are likely to bring in Pat Williams for a look.

    6′3″, 317 lbs., career run stuffer.

    Get on the phone to Al, Method!
    +++++++

    pats looking at williams could mean that haynesworth is not working out, i had read reports they might me cutting him could be a rumor…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    MistaBrown Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am
    No Mas,
    I do not know he will be. Hue said he will play the best players.

    +++++++++++++++++

    I trust Hue to do so, but does he have the final say in the matter? That’s what worries me

  • TypicalRaiderFan

    BLACK FLAG MOTHAFUGGAS! who is feeling super this year? Our 5th round pick is going to catch 90 balls.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Thec07 Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:46 am

    LA Chargers…The folks who are putting up the design and dough want the chargers…the media spin in so cal is chargers, saw the coming 2 years ago…
    ________________________________________________________

    there was talk about it 4 years ago..

  • Dakota

    C Gurode cut by Cowboys=5 time pro bowler?

    He is now visiting with Cable & Co. in Seattle.

    I have never even heard of this guy lol.

    WTF?

  • SilverNBlackPA

    I have never even heard of this guy lol.

    ++++++++++++++++

    Gurode is the one who got headstomped by Haynesworth a few years ago.

  • J Hill

    Yeah, it is weird you wanted them back at all. That girl cheated on you and you took her back, and she still wants to get with that LA guy and you still want to keep her……kinda sad Brien!

    —————————————————–

    LOL!

  • Dakota

    Ahhhhh thanks S&BPA.

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    TypicalRaiderFan Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:02 am

    BLACK FLAG MOTHAFUGGAS! who is feeling super this year? Our 5th round pick is going to catch 90 balls.
    _________________________________________________________

    yeah and a 2009 1st round pick who is going to get 15 catches

  • http://www.actionext.com/playlist_57486.html La Milicia Negra

    Dakota Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    C Gurode cut by Cowboys=5 time pro bowler?

    He is now visiting with Cable & Co. in Seattle.

    I have never even heard of this guy lol.

    WTF?
    ______________________________________________________

    I hope you are joking, or else you cant be a football fan.. 5times pro bowler, you better know his name…

  • Method To My Madness

    611.Dakota Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:56 am
    607.Method To My Madness Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:54 am
    Jhill you dont understand the hurt people went through when they left….you dont get it
    +++++++++++++++

    Yeah, it is weird you wanted them back at all. That girl cheated on you and you took her back, and she still wants to get with that LA guy and you still want to keep her……kinda sad Brien!

    ****************************

    Actually…our city council messed that up listening to Pete Rozelle….so know your facts you hick hillbilly redneck

  • Carl Weathers

    Mitchell has to stay there until after week 6 or 7. I think this means Boyd makes the team.

    ************
    Can Mitchell come off the PUP any time or does he have to stay there for a certain number of weeks?

  • Thec07

    No Mas Diamante Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 9:53 am
    Thec, I don’t know that Chaz makes the team unless he gets on it pretty quickly.

    ++++++++

    I was down on him as well, wanted the team to relase him, now with the emergence of HAGANS I will say keep him, he is cheap…

  • Method To My Madness

    No one wants to go back to LA Dakota……you dont know what you’re talking about…LA isnt an option

  • TypicalRaiderFan

    DHB is bustin out this year. Mr. Davis does not make mistakes — he was a developmental project who has developed!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Thanks, Carl. Boyd as backup SS…I can dig it.

  • Thec07

    Silverandblack666 Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:00 am
    My WR depth chart

    1. HAGAN
    2. DMOORE
    3. JFORD
    4. Chaz
    5. LMURPHY
    6. DHB

    AD’s WR depth chart

    1. DHB
    2. Chaz
    3. Ford
    4. Murphy
    5. Hagen
    6. Moore

    +++++++++

    So in a 2 wide set you want DMOORE and HAGAN on the field?

  • No Mas Diamante

    Can Boyd hit?

  • Kirk

    DHB should be released.

  • Thec07

    TypicalRaiderFan Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    DHB is bustin out this year. Mr. Davis does not make mistakes — he was a developmental project who has developed!
    ++++++

    DHB has made strides no doubt however, he is behind the WR’s we have IMHO…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    644.No Mas Diamante Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:10 am
    Can Boyd hit?

    ++++++++++++++

    I don’t know, but he can tackle, which is more important.

  • bcz24

    Can Mitchell come off the PUP any time or does he have to stay there for a certain number of weeks?
    ***********************
    He has to be off the PUP by 9/3/11 or he is not eligible to play until week 7.

  • Carl Weathers

    636.La Milicia Negra Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:08 am
    Dakota Says:
    August 30th, 2011 at 10:03 am

    C Gurode cut by Cowboys=5 time pro bowler?

    He is now visiting with Cable & Co. in Seattle.

    I have never even heard of this guy lol.

    WTF?
    ______________________________________________________

    I hope you are joking, or else you cant be a football fan.. 5times pro bowler, you better know his name…

    **********

    LMAO! I’ve never heard of this guy either and I watch all the transactions and switch between 4 or 5 games every Sunday.
    I’ve never heard of him because I’m NOT A FAN of the probowl… haven’t watched in probably 20 some years. It sucks unless your a young fan that wants to see your teams stars. Like I did when Tim Brown, Howie Long and others made the team.

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Bcz,

    I’m gonna guess they’ll keep him out til Week 7 since he’s barely had any time to practice at all…what do you think?