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The Chaz Schilens debate a hot topic

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Few Raiders player engender as much passionate and spirited debate as fourth-year wide receiver Chaz Schilens.
For whatever reason, fans have a strong take, one way or the other, on whether the Raiders should remain patient with Schilens or cut ties in light of his latest injury.
There doesn’t seem to be any gray area. It wasn’t always that way.
The love for Schilens was universal in 2008, when he went from a seventh-round draft pick out of San Diego State to a member of the Raiders 53-man roster.
He caught 15 passes for 226 yards and two touchdowns his rookie season. Most impressive, he appeared in all 16 games. Greatness seemed on the horizon.
Then came the injuries, something that dogged him during his collegiate career, as well.
During training camp in 2009, Schilens broke a bone in his foot during a joint scrimmage against the 49ers in Napa. The injury was severe enough to require surgery.
Schilens, 6-feet-4 and 225 pounds, missed the first eight games in 2009 while rehabilitating. He started the final eight games and recorded 29 receptions for 365 yards and two touchdowns.
Fans were encouraged by his performance, especially an eight-catch, 99-yard showing against the Baltimore Ravens in the season finale at the Coliseum.
Surely, Schilens’ career would take full flight in his third season. Again, injuries surfaced.
Schilens’ foot still bothered him, so he underwent a second surgery. In training camp, he favored the foot, which put undue stress on his knee. Suddenly, both posed issues for Schilens to overcome.
He didn’t make it on to the field for a regular-season game until the 12th game. He caught five passes for 40 yards and one touchdown in five games.
Schilens reported to Napa this year at full strength and made it through the first dozen or so practices without any lingering effects from the foot and knee issues. Once again, everything seemed right with Schilens.
Then came Oakland’s first exhibition game, against the Arizona Cardinals on Aug. 11. Schilens limped off the field after an end around and hasn’t practiced or played in a game ever since.
During that time, the Raiders discovered that they have two consistent playmakers in veteran Derek Hagan and rookie Denarius Moore. Soon, coach Hue Jackson will have to decide whether it’s worth riding it out with Schilens or if it’s time to part ways.
The consensus among fans seems to be that the Raiders can’t count upon Schilens, and it’s time to move on.
It says here that the Raiders are doing the right thing in being patient with Schilens and waiting for him to get to the point where he can be a regular contributor, if not a No. 1 receiver.
There are those with the Raiders who feel as if Schilens is the team’s most-gifted and versatile wide receiver. They point to his rare combination of size, speed, strength and, yes, toughness.
They also point out that the Raiders don’t have a bonafide No. 1 wide receiver, and Schilens is their best bet as of now.
Schilens worked out with a trainer and on his own at practice Wednesday. It’s unlikely he will play Friday night, but Schilens will be a hot topic when Jackson sits down to make the final roster cuts Saturday.
The smart money says, the Raiders keep Schilens, give him all the time he needs to get healthy and then reap the dividends down the road, even if it is later rather than sooner.

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Steve Corkran

  • RaiderRockstar

    TO will be recovered from his acl about the time pryor is eligible, the Chaz thing will have been resolved

    If Chaz can make it to game 5 or 6 before getting injured, we can pick up TO to finish the season.

    ***

    Agreed with Talk (#250)

    grab Terrell Owens when he’s healthy and Chaz isn’t!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    436.guest123 Says:
    September 2nd, 2011 at 5:59 am
    Chaz is a rumor of greatness, a unicorn, a fable…it’s time to stop believing in fairy tales.

    +++++++++

    Preach it.

    Then again, Al is the guy who paid Javon Walker eleven bazillion dollars to do nothing. I’m sure he’s got no problem paying Chaz in popsicles and athletic tape to do the same thing.

  • Just Fire Baby

    And to answer the question of what WR would we want with 1 minute to go, the answer is not even close:

    Jacoby Ford

    Lou Murphy has had made some big time catches, probably more than Ford, but he is more adept at getting open. Chaz has the best size for that situation, but well, he is Glass Schilens and might pull up with the ball in flight.

    Ford, even with his diminutive stature, has proven the ability to go up and fight for the ball and come down with it.

    DHB is not even in the question. You talking catching a short pass and picking up chunks of YAC, than yes I would actually have him right after Ford.

    But catching a deep pass?? LMAO at even considering DHB. That dude is lost once he gets about 30 yards from the LOS.

  • guest123

    the light has come on….

    the game has slowed down….

    Giving it one hundred and ten percent….

    grinding it out to the whistle…

    playing it like it’s our last game…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    Ford, even with his diminutive stature, has proven the ability to go up and fight for the ball and come down with it.

    ++++++++++++++

    Watched his taking the ball away from Brandon Flowers the other day. Still breathtaking.

    Oh and this…”LMAO at even considering DHB. That dude is lost once he gets about 30 yards from the LOS.”

    You added an unnecessary zero to the number 🙂

  • Just Fire Baby

    I’m interested to see what Cable is rocking tonight.

    Two games ago, he had the gold chain, pinky ring and diamond earring going.

    Last game, he ditched the earring and pinky ring.

    Maybe he will come out with a cane and a leisure suit tonight.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I’m ok with ending the preseason 0-4. Just bench all the lock starters and let the scrubs all play.

    ***

    G123,

    couldn’t agree more!

    This should be Boller in Q1. Edwards in Q2. Pryor entire second half

    Jones in Q1. Cartwright & Bennett in Q2. Rankin, McCluskey & Tonga entire second half

    DHB, Moore & Hagan in Q1. Miller & Bodiford in Q2. Bayes, Jackson & McGee entire second half

  • Just Fire Baby

    Don’t forget the catch against Miami.

    While nowhere near as important as the KC catch, it might have been more impressive.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Re-watched the game last night, and Taiwan had two carries and one kickoff return where the whistle had apparently already blown, but the Saints ended up with the ball.

    Taiwan was a little close to a few fumbles, so I am watching for ball security tonight with him.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Lance Briggs has asked for a trade out of Chicago. One of the best weakside linebackers in the league.

    ***

    PA,

    does Jay Cutler want Chaz Schilens & Nick Miller?

    pull the trigger!

    throw in that “beastly” run blocker Mayonaise Tonga

  • Doubt we could afford Briggs.

  • RaiderRockstar

    G123,

    Chaz = Easter Bunny?

  • guest123

    LMAO @ some guys here last night still defending DHB. You gotta be a hardcore Al Davis neophyte to keep making excuses…

    At the end of the day….DHB will come into his own….Truth be told, he’s had a lot of pressure….I don’t have a dog in that fight, but DHB has impressive combine numbers….DHB is giving it 110 percent every play….Bottom line is DHB was never given a chance….In all fairness, DHB deserves another chance….

    blah-blah-blah-blah-bittidy-blah…

  • SilverNBlackPA

    RRS,

    LOL! It’s a shame Hiram Eugene is on IR, because I’m sure he’d be enough to seal the deal.

  • guest123

    Chaz = Easter Bunny?

    ********

    No, he’s more like the Rock in “tooth fairy”

    🙂

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    GUEST123,MY ALL TIME FAVORITS,WERE TAKING IT 1 GAME AT A TIME, AND , IT’S A MARATHON NOT A SPRINT..

  • raiderjhawk

    the response on post 455 made me laugh out loud.

  • Maybe throw in the best long snapper in the league aswell?

  • hwnrdr

    What’s up Neil? I think we are still $5 million under cap…maybe able to afford Briggs…maybe???

  • RaiderRockstar

    It’s a shame Hiram Eugene is on IR, because I’m sure he’d be enough to seal the deal.

    ***

    PA,

    there is always young buck Walt McFadden destined for greatness – or 2x Pro Bowler Lito Sheppard ???

  • guest123

    GUEST123,MY ALL TIME FAVORITS,WERE TAKING IT 1 GAME AT A TIME, AND , IT’S A MARATHON NOT A SPRINT..

    *******

    goodun’s Dirt lot,

    translation JFB?

  • RaiderRockstar

    throw in the best long snapper in the league as well?

    ***

    Neil:

    if Jon Condo gets traded, there better be a franchise QB involved!

  • raiderjhawk

    Regardless I think old man Al really will want to win tonight just to prove that losing Miller and Gallery didn’t hurt us any.

    Let’s just hope that our starters make it out of this one unscathed.

  • hwnrdr

    472.RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 2nd, 2011 at 6:27 am
    throw in the best long snapper in the league as well?

    ***

    Neil:

    if Jon Condo gets traded, there better be a franchise QB involved!

    LOL…I’m sure Bo will chime in on that one!

  • guest123

    Trade Condo for Southwick

  • RaiderRockstar

    Trade Condo for Southwick

    ***

    can we trade with the Tampa Bay Storm?

  • Morning Hwnrdr…

    I thought we had mega problems with the cap?

    G123 and Dirt lot……don’t forget to thank God.

  • guest123

    can we trade with the Tampa Bay Storm?

    *********

    Why not? We traded for our new DC

  • Talk of Condo and trade…..do you think BSJ’s ears’ just pricked up?

  • hwnrdr

    Bo probably woke up to news of Condo…

  • RaiderRockstar

    I thought we had mega problems with the cap?

    ***

    Neil,

    DHB took a paycut down to $10 million per season

    WOOT WOOT!

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    THANKS NEILB,GLAD I WAS NOT STRUCK BY LIGHTNING 4 NOT REMEMBERING.

  • Missed that bit of news ’bout DHB taking a pay cut.

    …….and Dirt lot…….he forgives you…..

  • guest123

    Lord, thank you.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Why not? We traded for our new DC

    ***

    easy there, G123

    Chuck B is our best DC since… Chuck B

    and Blackstock from the UFL is one of our Top 4 LB’s!

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    MAYBE NEILB.JUST DONT THINK I HAVE MANY “GET OUT OF JAIL FREE CARDS” LEFT,IF U KNOW WHAT I MEAN..PLAY THE STARTERS 1 SERIES 2NIGHT,THATS IT.

  • hwnrdr

    485.RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 2nd, 2011 at 6:42 am
    Why not? We traded for our new DC

    ***

    easy there, G123

    Chuck B is our best DC since… Chuck B

    and Blackstock from the UFL is one of our Top 4 LB’s!

    …and that is what scares me!

  • SilverNBlackPA

    and Blackstock from the UFL is one of our Top 4 LB’s!

    +++++++++

    *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm* *facepalm*

    Just reading that hurts, man.

    Said it last week, say it again: this team has the depth of a Texas mud puddle at most positions.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Dirt Lot! I agree…don’t be like Haley and start them dam near all game!

  • hwnrdr

    LMAO S&BPA!!!

  • hwnrdr

    I want to see tonight, a good drive for a TD from the first team, then let the scrubs take it from there!

  • Today was the day that Pheidippides did his run from Marathon to Sparta.I’m sure there’s a link to the Oalkand Raiders but I just can’t see it.

  • hwnrdr

    Oh no, I can hear “300” references coming…

  • “Several of Chuck Bresnahan’s curious and suspect blitz calls and personnel groupings have left defensive players shaking their heads in disbelief.”

    That was from Chuck’s final year as D-Coordinator.

    Same goes for me, except I wasn’t shaking my head, I was throwing stuff around.

    I remember him well, I used to hate the guy until we got Rob Ryan and then I wished Chuck had never left.

    Bresnahan will drive us crazy, that’s the one thing I’m certain.

    The guy works hard, studies a lot and often comes up with crazy new ideas, sometimes they work, sometimes they don’t.

    My guess is that this Defense will make more plays than it used to and create more turnovers, but it will get ugly sometimes.

    Good luck to Chuck and good luck to us, get ready to talk about Bresnahan’s gameplan and schemes on a daily basis, let’s just hope they work out more often than not.

  • guest123

    Here’s why Chuck B is going to fail:

    We are going to continue to have a couple of good plays and then 3rd and long, Bam! big gainer, 20+ yards. Just like that, other team’s in scoring position. Then stop, nother stop…then Bam! TD other team.

    this is a preview of Chuck B’s defense.

  • hwnrdr

    Good Morning Bob,
    Yeah, it’s gonna be a long season, but I just hope that what we have ssen so far was just pre-season! I’m sure there is going to be things tweeked here and there, but if we come out good…I’ll be ok!

  • guest123

    If Chuck B can be honest with himself and run in personnel and packages that disguise our weaknesses instead of expose them. If he’s allowed to bench some of “Al’s” guys he can change that pattern of stop-stop-bam.

  • Fawk, I cant remember who our DC was last year..

  • dammit, hangovers really doesnt make remember better : /

  • guest123

    Jim Marshall, who got us 47 sacks. One off the NFL lead. That was our DC. Traded him straight up for a UFL DC.