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Post-practice notes, quotes and anecdotes (9-8-11)

Thursday brought about a more forthcoming coach Hue Jackson, even if he stopped shy of answering all the questions that remain on people’s minds four days before the regular-season opener against the Denver Broncos.
We did manage to coax out of Jackson that wide receiver Derek Hagan isn’t the No. 7 receiver on the team and that he was omitted from the team’s depth chart by accident.
He also admitted that the Raiders worked out linebacker Tully Banta-Cain today. No contract offer was made.
Finally, Jackson said he has heard all the rumblings coming out of Denver from players who are talking about exacting revenge for last year’s double butt-whipping by the Raiders.
More on that one later.
Jackson refused to say who his starting wide receivers are going to be, whether Nick Miller is going to return punts or anything else along those lines.
“No, I’m not going to do that,” Jackson said. “I don’t have to do that yet.”

*Not sure what Jackson is referring to, but he is under the impression that the Broncos are popping off about how badly they got beat by the Raiders twice last season and are out for revenge.
From what I’ve read, there hasn’t been anything out of line, just players saying they have watched the tape and know that they have their hands full Monday night.
Yet, Jackson is taking it in a differen light.
“Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of things they’ve said,” Jackson said. “Tell them to keep talking. It’s cool. They’ve said a lot of stuff. It’s all good. Those two wins don’t make much difference. Somebody’s saying a lot of things over there about a couple of things. I won’t get into it right now.”
Again, I have pored over just about everything coming out of Denver and can’t find anything inflammatory. More than likely, it’s just a coach finding ways to motivate his players before a big game.
“I’m worried about my football team getting ready and being ready to play on Monday night,” Jackson said. “I’m not going to get into last year. Last year is last year. I do keep my ears open, my ear to the ground, I hear all the things that are being said. One thing I do know about the Raiders, we will show up. I promise you that.”
As far as we know, the Broncos will be there, too, and no one will be thinkin about what happened last year. Just another example of the exhibition season being way too long.

*With starting wide receiver Kevin Boss still unable to return from the knee injury he suffered against the 49ers on Aug. 20, it’s looking more and more like Brandon Myers will start against the Broncos.
Safe to say, Jackson feels much better about that prospect than he might have one month ago.
“He’s really come on,” Jackson said of Myers. “Started off, like a lot of our players did, all of a sudden, here we go training camp. He started off a little slow but he’s really coming on like gangbusters lately. He’s playing really good for us right now.”
Myers said he just needed some time to get back into the swing of things. And, now, everything is second nature.
“Yeah. It’s just getting comfortable with everything,” Myers said. “We were out of football for a while. As much as you want to do on your own, it still kind of takes time to get back in the swing of things. I just feel like my play has been consistent. That’s one of the main things I try to be is consistent. That’s what every football player tries to do. So, I just go out there every day and try to do that.”

*One of the more intriguing matchups in Monday’s game will be Raiders left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer against Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil.
Veldheer stands 6-feet-8 and goes 315 pounds. Dumervil is one of the shorter ends in the league at 5-11 and 260.
What’s more, Dumervil missed last season, so he and Veldheer are facing each other for the first time.
“Any matchup presents someone has a strength here, someone has a strength there,” Veldheer said. “I have to work on, obviously, playing lower than 6-foot-8 this week. It’s just one of the things you need to work on in the week of practice and preparation.”
The key, according to Jackson, is for Veldheer to get down on Dumervil’s level and not play so erect.
“Gotta play low,” Jackson said. “You got to take your 6-8 and make yourself 6-foot. Our guy has length and girth and, obviously, this guy is not as tall but a very, very good accomplished football player. He understands how to play, whether they’re tall, little, whatever. Dumervill’s good at what he does. We’re looking forward to the challenge.”
Veldheer felt as if he got pushed around a tad too much last season. As a result, he worked harder than ever during the offseason and tacked on 20 pounds of muscle.
Also, Veldheer always seems to be the last player on the field after practice and the last one out of the weight room. On Wednesday night, he arrived in the locker room drenched in sweat after a strenuous post-practice workout. Many players already had dressed and headed out by that time.
It’s all part of a work ethic Veldheer developed in high school, when he typically got overlooked as a big-time prospect.
“Coming from a small school, I’ve always felt like I needed to work hard to achieve what I wanted to,” Veldheer said. “When I got into college, I was real undersized, which was one of the reasons I ended up at a Division II school (Hillsdale College). I bought into the program and worked as hard as I could, and tremendous success followed. Just stick with that. I feel like the harder I work, it will put me in the best position possible in terms of success.”

*Some might think that rookies such as Raiders wide receiver Denarius Moore have no idea what they’re about to face when they play on the road, before a national TV audience, in their first NFL regular-season game.
Moore dismisses such talk, saying the exposure he received from playing in the high-profile SEC at Tennessee prepared him for high-profile games in rowdy venues.
“I don’t think it should be any worse because, either way, when I’m at away games or home games, I pretty much don’t pay attention to the crowd,” Moore said. “I just stay focused on the football game.”
Just the same, Moore said, there will be a certain amount of nerves that he and the seven other rookies have to overcome Monday night.
“The butterflies will always be there, but it’s something I can’t let get to me,” Moore said. “I just got to stay focused on football.”

*Denver’s other defensive end, rookie Von Miller, presents quite a matchup difficulty, as well, according to Jackson and several Raiders.
Raiders right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes draws the assignment of blocking Miller in Miller’s first NFL regular-season game.
“Yeah, I watched a tape on him,” Barnes said. “They don’t have a whole lot (of tape) -– the preseason, and this is their first game. But I got a chance to check the defense out for a minute. (Miller and Dumervil) look like they have juice coming off the edge. Me and Jared are going to have to be on our game that night. Away, crowd noise, all that good stuff. So we have to take our proper footwork, proper sets. We have to get those guys covered up.”
Jackson already holds Miller in high regard, just from what he has seen of Miller in Denver’s exhibition games.
“He can run,” Jackson said. “He’s really good at rushing the passer. Great lean and dip, he will put pressure on people. He knows how to do it. That’s exciting, I’m sure, for their football team, and something we have to combat. But, again, he’s like most of the great pass rushers in this league. He knows how to get to the quarterback.”
Broncos defensive coordinator Dennis Allen said the key to beating the Raiders is getting the Raiders in obvious passing situations so that Dumervil and Miller can turn it loose.
“When you have two guys coming off opposite edges, it’s hard for the offense to stop both of them,” Allen said. “They have to keep a tight end in or chip on the other, but when you’ve got rushers on both sides, it makes it harder on the offense and limits some of the things they’re able to do. We’re excited about that but, again, we’re not going to get a chance to rush the passer if we don’t stop the run, so that’s the first thing we have to get done.”

*Jackson was half the decision-making process when it came to benching quarterback Jason Campbell at halftime of Oakland’s second game last season.
Fast forward to today, when Jackson said he has total confidence in Campbell entering the season-opener. For example, Campbell has the latitude to audible at any time he sees fit.
“Oh, yeah,” Jackson said. “We’re about staying in positive plays and getting out of negative plays. He understands what I expect and what we’re trying to accomplish. He’s doing a good job of that.
It’s to the point, where he and Campbell are in synch with what the Raiders are trying to get done offensively.
“We’re totally (in synch),” Jackson said. “We’re aligned at the hip. We all are on offense. We have to be. It stems from me, down to our coaches, down to our players. I feel very comfortable about where we are.”

*The Raiders have seven wide receivers on their roster. For whatever reason, Hagan is the only one not listed.
Naturally, that comes across as curious, given Hagan was Oakland’s most-productive receiver in the exhibition season.
Jackson has an explanation.
“I probably didn’t get around to it,” Jackson said. “I probably was tired. I was up late last night and just forgot to write his name in. There’s no doubt. Derek Hagan is a good player and a contributing player on this football team.”

*The players voted on the captains for this year’s team. They are: running back Darren McFadden, quarterback Jason Campbell, running back Rock Cartwright, punter Shane Lechler and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
“I’m excited about the men that they picked,” Jackson said. “They are guys who exemplify exactly what a Raider is and what a Raider should be. Like I told them, I kind of pass the baton to them. This is their football team. I just get to be the conductor. They got to go lead this team to where we want to take this football team and this organization.”

*Here’s what Seymour has to say about Banta-Cain, one of Seymour’s teammates with the New England Patriots.
“I remember he was extremely fast off the edge,” Seymour said. “He’s a pass-rushing guy. He doesn’t want to be in coverage. I know he was a good rusher and I hadn’t seen him in awhile. But that was three years ago. So, who knows?”

*Add Darrius Heyward-Bey to the list of players who lays claim to being the fastest Raider.
He follows running back Taiwan Jones and Jacoby Ford in proclaiming themselves the fastest. As Heyward-Bey said, though, we’ll likely never know because it’s too risky for the sizable group of players vying for the unofficial title to conduct a race.
Heyward-Bey said he and the other fast guys on the team always talk about how things might shake down if they were to assemble a 4 x 100 team.
“They all say they want me to” run the anchor leg, Heyward-Bey said. “I’m more comfortable running the second leg. That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”

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  • Method To My Madness

    598.priesttj Says:
    September 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL

    Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
    Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
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    It amazes us how quick you get pissed lmao

  • Sullivan44

    I remember when the Rock came to Arco and dissed Sac. I mean he went in hard. I think it’s on youtube.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.

    http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/fantasy-football1.htm

  • HairyBush

    priesttj Says:
    September 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
    It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL

    Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
    Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period

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    Sounds like your the one with feelings hurt. I form opinions on everything I watch and read just like you. I am not going to stick up for a situation I do not believe is right. DHB=Al’s project, period.

  • Method To My Madness

    603.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
    September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.

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  • HairyBush

    exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
    September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
    FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.

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    THANX Wilfred!

  • DutchRaider77

    It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL

    Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
    Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
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    Priest you think that we really haven’t seen the new role/routes for DHB that has been talked about for him by Sanders and Jackson in the preseason games? Just curious…

  • Silverandblack666

    “It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL

    Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!”

    You seriously cant comprehend this?

    Well let me spell it out for you for the 10th time!

    The players care who starts they have to earn it, it is a way to reward a guy how much his hard work in camp and preseason games.

    If a WR has worked hard all off season to earn a starting slot on the team and that is taken away from him by the owner who is meddling and basically castrating the coach, the coach will at that point lose respect of his players.

    Its the coaches job to say who starts and who sits….Oakland is the only team in the entire league where the owner tells the coach who to start.

    Is it really that hard to understand or is it more of you being stubborn and not dealing with that fact that our meddling owner is screwing up the team chemistry and castrating the coach in front of his players to show who is in control.

  • lefty12

    You will not man up and admit anything.DHB has done everything asked of him in the practice games,something you fail to acknowledge even now.You say you want him to be successful yet can’t help from making negative comments about him before you end any comment you make.Is he Timmy Brown now-no way.But he has tremendous upside and it would be foolish to push him aside already.

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  • hwnrdr

    Just seen Jerry tweet the injury list…Taiwan Jones hurt his foot again? Or are they playing and just listing what bothered them during camp? Hagan is listed as a calf injury…hmmmm

  • Sullivan44

    The criticism of DHB could be due to the fact that he was drafted two years ago, and is yet to even show up to a game.

  • lefty12

    666-just wondering,what meeting you sat in on where the old man ordered the coach as to who would play in the game.i mean since it is fact and all?

  • RAIDERMAN99

    RM99 likes to call Soup JaJason when it should be JaCam Newton.
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    Might turn out to be correct. Like JaMoron, Kim could turn out to be a number one overall selection that busts.

    But I wouldn’t bet on it.

    Kim could turn out to be a bum due to accuracy problems. I don’t think that can be discounted.

    That said, I like his chances to be a good and maybe even a very good NFL QB. I think he has a good throwing motion and excellent arm strength. He’s not ready yet, but I don’t see why he can’t eventually become adept at reading NFL defenses. If he can develop consistent accuracy, he’ll be very dangerous. He’s got great running ability and the size and strength to utilize it. You ordinarilly don’t want a QB running too much, but this guy could break the mold.

    Can’t blame Carolina for taking him number one. I’d have done the same.

  • RaiderReggie

    Derek Hagan is going to be the best receiver this year if he gets the snaps. The guy run very good routes and he knows how to get open. DHB is faster but he don’t get open as much as he should.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DHB played well this pre season people that wont acknowledge it are being foolish.

    He played better than his returning incumbents murph and chaz as they couldn’t get on the field. Ford is a returning veteran, but moore and hagan are new here. beleive it or not they dont know the offense like DHB. So DHB the returning starter has played every bit as well as the new guys and better than some of the returning players, yet you dont want him to get the snaps?

    Good thing hu jack knows better than you.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    jason campbell and cam newton have nothing to do with jamarcuss.

    Adding the JA in front of their names is childish

  • realtruraider

    It was a Saturday afternoon in Fork Union, Va., and Jacoby Ford had bigger things on his mind than his own prep school football game. He was wanting to be 25 miles up the road, on his way with older brother Davy to watch Florida State face Virginia.

    So John Shuman, the football coach at Fork Union Military Academy, made Ford a deal.

    “If you take the first punt to the house, you can wave at me as you go to the locker room and get out of here,” Shuman recalled. “Sure enough, midway through his first punt return, he was waving at me as he ran past, he jumped in the car with his brother.”

    Ford has put on more than 20 pounds since he was a 168-pound prep school playmaker, but he still has the extra gear that makes quick getaways a frequent reality. He hopes to put those tools to use when the Raiders open the season Monday night against the Denver Broncos at Sports Authority Field at Mile High.

    It’s easy to forget that Ford’s rookie season didn’t see him flying out of the starting blocks. Because of a quadriceps injury that cost him much of training camp, Ford’s playing time was limited to start.

    Although he didn’t get his first touchdown until Week 9, Ford finished with seven touchdowns at an average distance of 60.4 yards per score. He and Philadelphia’s DeSean Jackson were the only players in the league to have a touchdown rushing, receiving and on a kick return.

    The Raiders got all that for the No. 108 selection in the

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    2010 draft, using the pick they acquired from Jacksonville in exchange for linebacker Kirk Morrison. Ford had the fastest 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine at 4.28 seconds and impressive numbers at Clemson but was overshadowed by teammate C.J. Spiller, an eventual first-round pick by Buffalo.

    “You never really know what to expect,” Ford said. “I wasn’t sure if I was just going to be on special teams or how much receiver I’d play. Whenever I did get my opportunity, I just seized it and ran with it from there.”

    Ford is now fully recovered from a broken left hand that slowed him in the early days of training camp. He will be used creatively by coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Al Saunders in order to utilize his sprinter’s speed.

    It remains to be seen how many kickoff returns Ford will get with the new rule allowing teams to kick off from the 35-yard line. But Jackson is talking about using Ford occasionally on punt returns and getting the ball into his hands often as possible.

    “If he can score touchdowns, I’m going to give it to him,” Jackson said. “He likes the ball in his hands, we like to put it in his hands. We need to turn this guy loose.”

    Ford’s coming out party was a Week 9 win over Kansas City when he returned a kickoff 94 yards for a touchdown and caught six passes for 148 yards, setting up both the game-tying and game-winning field goals with spectacular catches.

    “After the Kansas City game, when I saw Hue started moving me around in different places to get the ball in my hands, that’s when I realized I definitely had their trust,” said Ford, who followed in the footsteps of his mom and brother as a high school sprint champion in Florida.

    Yet after a senior year at Cardinal Newman High in West Palm Beach in which Jacoby caught 22 passes for 550 yards, schools were scared off by low SAT scores. Davy Ford, who was a running back at Florida State and briefly with the Dallas Cowboys, was told about Fork Union by one of his Cowboys’ teammates, linebacker Dexter Coakley.

    Coakley, a Fork Union product, recommended Ford to Shuman. For a year, Ford rose at 6 a.m., dressed in uniform, said, “Yes sir,” and “No sir,” and played a schedule against other military schools as well as local junior colleges and college junior varsity teams.

    When the year was up, Ford had 57 receptions for 1,254 yards and nine touchdowns, had returned seven kicks for touchdowns and rushed 12 times for 306 yards and three touchdowns.

    He earned a scholarship to Clemson, where he was also an accomplished sprinter on the track team, and earned his degree in sociology.

    The first time Shuman and his staff saw Ford run in person, he had the same reaction as Jackson.

    “We said, ‘We’ve got to find a way to get this guy the ball,’ ” Shuman said.

    Tight end Kevin Boss (knee strain) did not practice, making Brandon Myers the likely starter in the opener. The only other players who didn’t practice were wide receiver Louis Murphy and safety Mike Mitchell.

    Triple threat

    Jacoby Ford was one of only two players in the NFL, along with Philadelphia’s DeSean Jackson, to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on kick returns:
    Yards Avg. TDs
    Receiving 470 18.8 2
    Rushing 155 15.5 2
    Returns 1,280 24.2 3

  • RaiderReggie

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    September 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
    RM99 likes to call Soup JaJason when it should be JaCam Newton.
    ===============================================
    Might turn out to be correct. Like JaMoron, Kim could turn out to be a number one overall selection that busts.

    But I wouldn’t bet on it.

    Kim could turn out to be a bum due to accuracy problems. I don’t think that can be discounted.

    That said, I like his chances to be a good and maybe even a very good NFL QB. I think he has a good throwing motion and excellent arm strength. He’s not ready yet, but I don’t see why he can’t eventually become adept at reading NFL defenses. If he can develop consistent accuracy, he’ll be very dangerous. He’s got great running ability and the size and strength to utilize it. You ordinarilly don’t want a QB running too much, but this guy could break the mold.

    Can’t blame Carolina for taking him number one. I’d have done the same
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    Cam Newton will struggle this year but I think he will be a good quarterback in a couple of years. Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman struggled their first couple of years and later won Superbowls. Sam Bradford was an anomaly.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    CorkOnTheNFL For the record, WR Chaz Schilens and RB Taiwan Jones were “limited” in practice Thursday night. See if that designation changes tonight.
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    Chazerella limited? Why am I not surprised…

  • lefty12

    What was it many said about a certain ex-QB who used to play on our team-you can’t teach accuracy.Yet people now say once Newton learns to be accurate he will be good.Which is it?

  • fingers

    You eat squirrels ?….. Lmaoooooooooo… They do in Denver !
    Raiders 38…. Donks 17

  • RAIDERMAN99

    What was it many said about a certain ex-QB who used to play on our team-you can’t teach accuracy.Yet people now say once Newton learns to be accurate he will be good.Which is it?
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    Very difficult to make dramatic improvements in accuracy. Some would say impossible.

    I think it’s important to recognize that there could be instances where a correction to a mechanical flaw, poor throwing motion or footwork might result in improved accuracy.

    If a guy shows decent accuracy at times and not such good accuracy at others, then it’s possible that more consistent accuracy could be achieved if the problem is due to poor mechanics or delivery.

    But in general, I’d have to say accuracy can not be significantly improved. Either you have it or you don’t.

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