Post-practice notes, quotes and anecdotes (9-8-11)
By Steve Corkran
Thursday, September 8th, 2011 at 10:38 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Thursday brought about a more forthcoming coach Hue Jackson, even if he stopped shy of answering all the questions that remain on people’s minds four days before the regular-season opener against the Denver Broncos.
We did manage to coax out of Jackson that wide receiver Derek Hagan isn’t the No. 7 receiver on the team and that he was omitted from the team’s depth chart by accident.
He also admitted that the Raiders worked out linebacker Tully Banta-Cain today. No contract offer was made.
Finally, Jackson said he has heard all the rumblings coming out of Denver from players who are talking about exacting revenge for last year’s double butt-whipping by the Raiders.
More on that one later.
Jackson refused to say who his starting wide receivers are going to be, whether Nick Miller is going to return punts or anything else along those lines.
“No, I’m not going to do that,” Jackson said. “I don’t have to do that yet.”
*Not sure what Jackson is referring to, but he is under the impression that the Broncos are popping off about how badly they got beat by the Raiders twice last season and are out for revenge.
From what I’ve read, there hasn’t been anything out of line, just players saying they have watched the tape and know that they have their hands full Monday night.
Yet, Jackson is taking it in a differen light.
“Yeah, I’ve heard a lot of things they’ve said,” Jackson said. “Tell them to keep talking. It’s cool. They’ve said a lot of stuff. It’s all good. Those two wins don’t make much difference. Somebody’s saying a lot of things over there about a couple of things. I won’t get into it right now.”
Again, I have pored over just about everything coming out of Denver and can’t find anything inflammatory. More than likely, it’s just a coach finding ways to motivate his players before a big game.
“I’m worried about my football team getting ready and being ready to play on Monday night,” Jackson said. “I’m not going to get into last year. Last year is last year. I do keep my ears open, my ear to the ground, I hear all the things that are being said. One thing I do know about the Raiders, we will show up. I promise you that.”
As far as we know, the Broncos will be there, too, and no one will be thinkin about what happened last year. Just another example of the exhibition season being way too long.
*With starting wide receiver Kevin Boss still unable to return from the knee injury he suffered against the 49ers on Aug. 20, it’s looking more and more like Brandon Myers will start against the Broncos.
Safe to say, Jackson feels much better about that prospect than he might have one month ago.
“He’s really come on,” Jackson said of Myers. “Started off, like a lot of our players did, all of a sudden, here we go training camp. He started off a little slow but he’s really coming on like gangbusters lately. He’s playing really good for us right now.”
Myers said he just needed some time to get back into the swing of things. And, now, everything is second nature.
“Yeah. It’s just getting comfortable with everything,” Myers said. “We were out of football for a while. As much as you want to do on your own, it still kind of takes time to get back in the swing of things. I just feel like my play has been consistent. That’s one of the main things I try to be is consistent. That’s what every football player tries to do. So, I just go out there every day and try to do that.”
*One of the more intriguing matchups in Monday’s game will be Raiders left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer against Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil.
Veldheer stands 6-feet-8 and goes 315 pounds. Dumervil is one of the shorter ends in the league at 5-11 and 260.
What’s more, Dumervil missed last season, so he and Veldheer are facing each other for the first time.
“Any matchup presents someone has a strength here, someone has a strength there,” Veldheer said. “I have to work on, obviously, playing lower than 6-foot-8 this week. It’s just one of the things you need to work on in the week of practice and preparation.”
The key, according to Jackson, is for Veldheer to get down on Dumervil’s level and not play so erect.
“Gotta play low,” Jackson said. “You got to take your 6-8 and make yourself 6-foot. Our guy has length and girth and, obviously, this guy is not as tall but a very, very good accomplished football player. He understands how to play, whether they’re tall, little, whatever. Dumervill’s good at what he does. We’re looking forward to the challenge.”
Veldheer felt as if he got pushed around a tad too much last season. As a result, he worked harder than ever during the offseason and tacked on 20 pounds of muscle.
Also, Veldheer always seems to be the last player on the field after practice and the last one out of the weight room. On Wednesday night, he arrived in the locker room drenched in sweat after a strenuous post-practice workout. Many players already had dressed and headed out by that time.
It’s all part of a work ethic Veldheer developed in high school, when he typically got overlooked as a big-time prospect.
“Coming from a small school, I’ve always felt like I needed to work hard to achieve what I wanted to,” Veldheer said. “When I got into college, I was real undersized, which was one of the reasons I ended up at a Division II school (Hillsdale College). I bought into the program and worked as hard as I could, and tremendous success followed. Just stick with that. I feel like the harder I work, it will put me in the best position possible in terms of success.”
*Some might think that rookies such as Raiders wide receiver Denarius Moore have no idea what they’re about to face when they play on the road, before a national TV audience, in their first NFL regular-season game.
Moore dismisses such talk, saying the exposure he received from playing in the high-profile SEC at Tennessee prepared him for high-profile games in rowdy venues.
“I don’t think it should be any worse because, either way, when I’m at away games or home games, I pretty much don’t pay attention to the crowd,” Moore said. “I just stay focused on the football game.”
Just the same, Moore said, there will be a certain amount of nerves that he and the seven other rookies have to overcome Monday night.
“The butterflies will always be there, but it’s something I can’t let get to me,” Moore said. “I just got to stay focused on football.”
*Denver’s other defensive end, rookie Von Miller, presents quite a matchup difficulty, as well, according to Jackson and several Raiders.
Raiders right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes draws the assignment of blocking Miller in Miller’s first NFL regular-season game.
“Yeah, I watched a tape on him,” Barnes said. “They don’t have a whole lot (of tape) -– the preseason, and this is their first game. But I got a chance to check the defense out for a minute. (Miller and Dumervil) look like they have juice coming off the edge. Me and Jared are going to have to be on our game that night. Away, crowd noise, all that good stuff. So we have to take our proper footwork, proper sets. We have to get those guys covered up.”
Jackson already holds Miller in high regard, just from what he has seen of Miller in Denver’s exhibition games.
“He can run,” Jackson said. “He’s really good at rushing the passer. Great lean and dip, he will put pressure on people. He knows how to do it. That’s exciting, I’m sure, for their football team, and something we have to combat. But, again, he’s like most of the great pass rushers in this league. He knows how to get to the quarterback.”
Broncos defensive coordinator Dennis Allen said the key to beating the Raiders is getting the Raiders in obvious passing situations so that Dumervil and Miller can turn it loose.
“When you have two guys coming off opposite edges, it’s hard for the offense to stop both of them,” Allen said. “They have to keep a tight end in or chip on the other, but when you’ve got rushers on both sides, it makes it harder on the offense and limits some of the things they’re able to do. We’re excited about that but, again, we’re not going to get a chance to rush the passer if we don’t stop the run, so that’s the first thing we have to get done.”
*Jackson was half the decision-making process when it came to benching quarterback Jason Campbell at halftime of Oakland’s second game last season.
Fast forward to today, when Jackson said he has total confidence in Campbell entering the season-opener. For example, Campbell has the latitude to audible at any time he sees fit.
“Oh, yeah,” Jackson said. “We’re about staying in positive plays and getting out of negative plays. He understands what I expect and what we’re trying to accomplish. He’s doing a good job of that.
It’s to the point, where he and Campbell are in synch with what the Raiders are trying to get done offensively.
“We’re totally (in synch),” Jackson said. “We’re aligned at the hip. We all are on offense. We have to be. It stems from me, down to our coaches, down to our players. I feel very comfortable about where we are.”
*The Raiders have seven wide receivers on their roster. For whatever reason, Hagan is the only one not listed.
Naturally, that comes across as curious, given Hagan was Oakland’s most-productive receiver in the exhibition season.
Jackson has an explanation.
“I probably didn’t get around to it,” Jackson said. “I probably was tired. I was up late last night and just forgot to write his name in. There’s no doubt. Derek Hagan is a good player and a contributing player on this football team.”
*The players voted on the captains for this year’s team. They are: running back Darren McFadden, quarterback Jason Campbell, running back Rock Cartwright, punter Shane Lechler and defensive tackle Richard Seymour.
“I’m excited about the men that they picked,” Jackson said. “They are guys who exemplify exactly what a Raider is and what a Raider should be. Like I told them, I kind of pass the baton to them. This is their football team. I just get to be the conductor. They got to go lead this team to where we want to take this football team and this organization.”
*Here’s what Seymour has to say about Banta-Cain, one of Seymour’s teammates with the New England Patriots.
“I remember he was extremely fast off the edge,” Seymour said. “He’s a pass-rushing guy. He doesn’t want to be in coverage. I know he was a good rusher and I hadn’t seen him in awhile. But that was three years ago. So, who knows?”
*Add Darrius Heyward-Bey to the list of players who lays claim to being the fastest Raider.
He follows running back Taiwan Jones and Jacoby Ford in proclaiming themselves the fastest. As Heyward-Bey said, though, we’ll likely never know because it’s too risky for the sizable group of players vying for the unofficial title to conduct a race.
Heyward-Bey said he and the other fast guys on the team always talk about how things might shake down if they were to assemble a 4 x 100 team.
“They all say they want me to” run the anchor leg, Heyward-Bey said. “I’m more comfortable running the second leg. That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”
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September 8th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
The Blueprint (thanks Saints, Packers, Steelers, Patriots)
1.) Get franchise QB at all costs (no wasted time on retreads).
2.) Get a top-tier D-Coordinator.
The plan isn’t that complicated. To not even TRY and execute it is kinda silly.
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Cant argue with your plan because it’s right on. But, I do have a question for you. Do you or did you consider Gannon as a franchise QB? If you did, then you need to modify the plan a bit. If not then we can never agree as I did/do consider Gannon as franchise a QB as one can have. Just saying…
September 8th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
JB,
Gannon was certainly not a traditional franchise QB due to age, but Gruden went after a QB with intelligence, fire, and accuracy.
I wouldn’t mind taking shots on those types of QBs instead of “athletes” or strong-arm guys with slow releases and bad reads.
Those searches net you Gannon, Brees, Rodgers, and Schaubs.
September 8th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
3rd
September 8th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
For whatever reason, Al isn’t into those types of QBs.
He keeps trying to duplicate Jay Schroeder for some reason.
September 8th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Look at our backup QBs. Arms, bad accuracy / reads history. Why?
If we don’t go hard after Luck, Barkley, or Jones next draft, and instead assume Pryor is the man, it will lead to another bad 5-year stretch.
September 8th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
JB,
Gannon was certainly not a traditional franchise QB due to age, but Gruden went after a QB with intelligence, fire, and accuracy.
I wouldn’t mind taking shots on those types of QBs instead of “athletes” or strong-arm guys with slow releases and bad reads.
Those searches net you Gannon, Brees, Rodgers, and Schaubs.
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We can certainly agree on that. With regards to Luck, We’d probably have to give away half the team plus draft picks to get him. In the long run, it might be worth it. I predict he’s the next real deal. I’m not overly optimistic about Pryor. It’s way too soon to make any judgment about him. We don’t really need a VY type. We need a Rodgers, Brees, Brady type which I believe Luck will become.
September 8th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Deep QB class in next year’s draft, and it would be a tragedy to pass up any of them in favor of Pryor and/or Campbell.
September 8th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Big game in Monday, the Monday night loosing streak comes to an end!
September 8th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Deep QB class in next year’s draft, and it would be a tragedy to pass up any of them in favor of Pryor and/or Campbell.
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True, but why not set our sites on the best of the bunch? Luck is the real deal.
He’d cost us a couple of 1st round picks, and some top players to boot.
Maybe the question of the day should be what would we have to give up in order to trade for next year’s #1 pick? Tell us what YOU think it would take.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
I trade for luck in a second, we’d be set at QB for the next ten years
September 8th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
YA-since you spent a lot of time looking at college players,how about a list-with their schools- of the top QBs who will be available nexdraft.It might be fun keeping track of them throughout the year.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Pipe layer Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
I trade for luck in a second, we’d be set at QB for the next ten years
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What specifically do you think it would take to make the deal?
September 8th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Would anyone be willing to part with 2 1sts and McFadden?
September 8th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Beach,
some of us weren’t that shocked at the Chiefs’ success.
We saw them building the team correctly – bring in smart guys upstairs (Pioli); bring in a solid, smart QB; and have a well-regarded D-coordinator (Crennel).
Falcons had a similar turnaround by doing the same thing (Dimitroff, Matt Ryan).
We don’t value GMs, D-coordinators, or QBs.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
True, but why not set our sites on the best of the bunch? Luck is the real deal.
He’d cost us a couple of 1st round picks, and some top players to boot.
Maybe the question of the day should be what would we have to give up in order to trade for next year’s #1 pick? Tell us what YOU think it would take.
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Agreed.
First and foremost, it would take a team like the Vikings, Titans, or Panthers ending up with the #1 overall pick. Those teams took their “QBs of the future” in the first round this year, and won’t be in the market for a QB with their first rounder in 2012.
Then it would probably take the Raiders’ 2012 and 2013 1st rounders, as well as a 2013 2nd and/or 3rd rounder, possibly even a 2014 2nd and/or 3rd rounder. It’s a valuable pick, and the Raiders will be far from the only team trying to get in position to take Andrew Luck.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
Lefty, here’s a great site to find that kind of information on:
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_QB
Top 2012 QB prospects:
1 *Andrew Luck QB 1 Stanford rJr 6-4 235 4.73
3 *Matt Barkley QB 2 Southern California Jr 6-2 220 4.74
4 *Landry Jones QB 3 Oklahoma rJr 6-4 230 4.74
38 Ryan Tannehill QB 4 Texas A&M rSr 6-4 222 4.65
52 Kirk Cousins QB 5 Michigan State rSr 6-3 205 4.80
83 Brandon Weeden QB 6 Oklahoma State rSr 6-4 218 4.92
104 Ryan Lindley QB 7 San Diego State rSr 6-4 223 4.92
September 8th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
“They all say they want me to” run the anchor leg, Heyward-Bey said. “I’m more comfortable running the second leg. That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”
So there you have it, from the wolf’s mouth. No denying it now.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
IF Taiwan looks like the real deal this season,
I would trade ONE 1st and McFadden (that’s all it would take), for Luck.
Look at the Vikings:
A. Peterson + bad QBs = nothing for them.
Look at the Chargers and Packers:
Rivers/Rodgers + ho-hum RBs = playoff victories.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
How can you say we don’t value the QB position when we’ve been trying to get a decent one for 10 years,even spent the 1st pick in the draft on one.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
of course that takes a forward-thinking GM,
which we don’t have.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Would anyone be willing to part with 2 1sts and McFadden?
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Think it will take much more than that. We will not be the only ones trying to get him.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Lefty12,
one attempt in 10 years isn’t really trying.
Bringing in Aaron Brooks, Collins, and Campbell is settling for retread veterans.
Trying = taking a shot at Rodgers in the ‘05 draft. Or trading up for Kaepernick last draft. Or trading for Schaub when he was available a few years ago for a 2nd rounder.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Heyward-Bey said. “I’m more comfortable running the second leg. That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”
We know too. We ALL know…along with all the rest of anybody that pays attention to the NFL and/or the Raiders’ draft philosophy.
I wonder how many track guys the Packers/Saints/Patriots/Steelers/Colts have starting on sundays.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
YA-since you spent a lot of time looking at college players,how about a list-with their schools- of the top QBs who will be available nexdraft.It might be fun keeping track of them throughout the year.
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Andrew Luck, Stanford
Landry Jones, Oklahoma
Matt Barkley, USC
Kirk Cousins, Michigan State
Nick Foles, Arizona
Ryan Lindley, San Diego State
Robert Griffin III, Baylor
Ryan Tannehill, Texas A&M
Personally, I’m a fan of Luck (no s***), Jones, Cousins, Lindley and Griffin. Lindley in particular is an intriguing prospect. Local product, big arm, pro-style offense.
I think there’s a definite chance that there’s another run on QBs in the first round again in 2012. Could be as many as 7 QB taken.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Don’t forget we’ll likely have a top-12 pick.
We won’t be that far away.
Top-12 1st + McFadden = move valuable than multiple 1sts.
Enough other teams will settle for Barkley or Jones, and won’t sell the farm for Luck.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Not high on Barkley at all. Kid is surrounded by talent and simply doesn’t look like a dominant player at all. I’ve never seen him take over a game. Bust waiting to happen.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Trade the first round pick for Matt Flynn if you are going to use it on a QB. We already have a project QB on the roster. No reason to draft another one.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Don’t forget we’ll likely have a top-12 pick.
We won’t be that far away.
Top-12 1st + McFadden = move valuable than multiple 1sts.
Enough other teams will settle for Barkley or Jones, and won’t sell the farm for Luck.
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Plenty of teams that pick higher than the Raiders will be trying to get Andrew Luck. It would take multiple 1st rounders. And that’s assuming that the team with the #1 pick isn’t in the market for possibly the best QB prospect of all time.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
In darkness there is light…
We’ll figure out what we have to look forward to monday.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I’m not discussing the ability of the QBs we’ve brought in,just the fact that we have been trying to find a decent one over the years.As far as Rodgers goes 20 something other teams also passed on him.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
If Campbell doesn’t show dramatic improvement this season, it would also be prudent for the Raiders to go after a backup QB who has some starter potential in FA. Josh Johnson from Tampa Bay could be a fit.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Mcfadden, just like Bush is an UFA.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
lefty12 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I’m not discussing the ability of the QBs we’ve brought in,just the fact that we have been trying to find a decent one over the years.As far as Rodgers goes 20 something other teams also passed on him.
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Take that a couple of steps furher, what round was Brady picked in? I think it was the 6th or 7th. Just goes to show…
September 8th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
YA
McFadden is more valuable to teams than an extra 1st rounder.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
I’m not going to get into a pissing match with you over Davis.I probably dislike him more than you-for some of the same reasons and others.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
great interview to watch is Mr. Vehldeer’s, it’s on CSNBayarea news if I recall.
one important point that he pointed out, was how last season at this time he was practicing to be and starting as the Raiders’ starting center. This year he is able to focus on being the starting LT for the Raiders.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
The game is won in the trenches!
We need to figure out our damn O-Line before we put some young guy out to get killed and lose confidence.
The dolphins let Satele go because he was being pushed around by the big DT’s in the AFC East. He’ll get to see his old friends this year. Barnes? Please.
You know what happens to a great QB with a hand-me-down O-Line? He is rushed and gets hit and hit and hit then hurt.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
How good or bad would Rodgers have been if he was inserted into the game right away? It just goes to show that these young kids need to grow & mature. Like a good wine – So-so if you open right away but pretty good if you let them sit for a couple of years. To some extent, Rodgers proves that especially when compared to the #1 pick of that year, Alex Smith.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
not news, but csn website i meant
September 8th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Get that Brady stuff out of our brains. Don’t look at fluke situations, there’s nothing to learn from them.
Ben, Vick, Rivers, Eli, Rodgers, M. Ryan, Flacco, Brees (1 pick away), Peyton, Bradford, Cutler…
get your franchise QB in the 1st round.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
not news, but csn website i meant
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Link?
September 8th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
#38, great point
Rogers could easily have been thrust into San Fransisco’s starting qb job and Smith could have played behind HoF Brett Favre for a few years.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
YA
McFadden is more valuable to teams than an extra 1st rounder.
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Possibly. But that assumes that the team in question A) has a need at RB, and B) McFadden shows he can stay healthy this season.
Since two of the teams who might be in play for the #1 overall draft pick and already drafted QBs in the 1st round last season are set at RB (Vikings with AP, Titans with CJ), it’s a big if. Maybe if the Bengals end up with the #1 pick a McFadden trade could be in play.
Still, I don’t see Al Davis trading DMAC unless Taiwan Jones looks unstoppable as a rookie. Nor do I see Al Davis drafting a QB with Pryor on board. Hope I’m wrong about that one, though.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
JB,maybe with the new CBA and the rookie cap we will see that more often.I hope so,because it would make the game better.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/raiders
should’ve copy pasted from the start
September 8th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Silver,
the Bears, Colts, Eagles, and Steelers have had some of the least-talented O-lines in the last few years.
Top QBs make O-lines better.
The game is not won in the trenches in this day and age.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Raiders own Mr. Stabler was our 3rd string qb, behind Mr. “Mad Bomber” Lamonica & Mr. Blanda for quite a few years before he started and lead the Raiders to our first Super Bowl championship.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
It would take a lot to get luck JB, probably too expensive, but he’s gonna be a h3lluva QB in the pros, the next peyton manning in my opinion
September 8th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
U know whos gonna be a h3lluva prospect is that new QB at cal, that Maynard kid, al is gonna luv him too, he’s a lefty, he looks like the real deal
September 8th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
JB a top teir QB is everyones dream if it were so easy as these guys try to make it seem everyteam in the league would have one. There are only roughly 6 QB’s I consider elite. That tells you how rare and difficult they are to come by.
These guys pretend to know everything when GM’s who get paid $$millions can’t seem to find one. Coach after HC get fired because they can’t find one.
But the great Alex7 he knows exactly how to get one,……….LOl
Any team stupid enough to let Luck get away for whatever it is is flat out crazy and everyone having anything to do with it should be fired. Now you may be able to get one of the other kids. But the ONLY lock at that position is Andrew Luck the rest are risk just as much as anybody else out there.
Even RGIII who IMO is not on that list of potential franchise QB’s may not pan out once he gets to this level if everything around him is not right. Luck is the only one who I think can literally LIFT a franchise. RGIII is a better version of Terrelle Pryor. Lindley, Jones and especially Barkley have ? on them. I wouldn’t even draft Barkley in the 1st rnd at this point in fact he needs to stay in school because he is NOT ready…………period
September 8th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
It’s unfortunate, but the only teams who have the luxury of letting a top QB prospect sit on the bench and learn for a couple seasons tend to have stability at the QB position already.
Gone are the days where a bad team can pick a QB with a top ten pick, and let him hold the clipboard for a year or two. Ryan, Flacco, Sanchez, Newton… even Dalton and McCoy who were 2nd and 3rd round picks, respectively… struggling teams don’t have the time to wait around and lose more.
If the Raiders can draft a guy in the 1st round and then re-sign Campbell for a year or two, or sign TB’s Josh Johnson in FA, then it might be more realistic. But if the team continues to falter it’ll be hard to keep a young, talented kid on the bench.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
QBs who played rookie year and came out fine:
Roethlisberger, P. Manning, Eli, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Bradford, Freeman.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
#46, they all had playmakers that made big plays when it counted: peppers, urlacher, & hester; peyton, wayne, & freeney; vick, jackson, & samuels; palomalu & harrison
this year the Raiders have Mr. McFadden, Mr. Ford, Mr. Seymour, Mr. Houston, & Mr. Shaughnessy
in fact…..
September 8th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/pages/raiders
should’ve copy pasted from the start
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Good link, good interview. I’ve bookmarked that link. Thanks.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Seems like the better QBs in the league run out of shotgun formations, Peyton, Brady, brees, rodgers, they can scan the field faster and make quicker reads, maybe this would help j Campbell also, our formations seem outdated, hope Saunders has some 4 receiver sets
September 8th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
When the Raiders stop advertising on my t.v. screen, that I just turn on with a remote while sitting on my coach, freeway billboards that I just drive by, I’ll stop responding to their advertisements on forums open to the public, like this one.
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wow, is this guy a fu*king sociopath or what? he’s upset that the raiders are on tv and billboards. so, he comes here to “respond”. LOL! he thinks the raiders organization reads his posts! what a moron. can u see him now, yelling outside his window at the billboard? and thinking the next door neighbor’s dog is talking to him?
hahahahahhahahhaha!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
To: Raider Nation
Feel the autum wind blowing into mild high demolishing everything in sight making the opposition fear the horricfic things we impose. And all along laying down pipe
to our victims widows while they scream bloody murder asking the man above ” what did we do do deserve this”!
Raaaaaiiiiiiidddddeeeeeerrrrrrrsssssss!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
this guy spends so much of his life on here trying to act like he’s “intelligent”. can u believe retards like this? no life. no friends. watch out whoever lives in his neighborhood. he will likely go postal very soon. once he realizes that NOBODY here thinks he’s worth listening to. oh but wait, he thinks al davis is reading this.
hahhahahhahahahhaha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
I watched Barkley last week and he looked pretty damn good to me.It isn’t his fault he only has one guy on his team that can catch.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Hmm Priesttj,
Half the league has legit QBs. Guess Al can’t even crack top-half of league GMs.
(Philly, NYG, GB, Pitt, NO, SD, NE, Dallas, Atl, Chi, Det, TB, StL, NYJ, Bal).
September 8th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Raiders own Mr. Stabler was our 3rd string qb, behind Mr. “Mad Bomber” Lamonica & Mr. Blanda for quite a few years before he started and lead the Raiders to our first Super Bowl championship.
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True RR but the big difference was there was NO free agency in those days so once you had a player they were yours until you decided you didn’t want them any longer. Now, 4 years contracts are the benchmark and therefore, we can’t do things today the way we did them in the past. The lack of free agency was the main reason the Raiders did so well in the early years.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Eli Ryan and Flacco and Cutler are far from elite franchise QB’s IMO. Ryan canot carry a team on his own neither can Flacco. Eli can be garbage at times and so can Cutler Thomas howard damn near went to the probowl off him throwing picks. Those guys are no better than Jason Campbell now that JC is in a better situation you’ll see what I mean.
Elite QB’s are Brady, Brees, Payton manning, A Rodgers NOW, Vick, and Rivers. The rest if they don’t have dominant defenses and running games will suffer Big Ben included.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
I am getting tired of reading how the raiders two most important/best players left via free agency.
Mr. Nnamdi Asomugha was our best player and he did leave. Mr. Zach Miller was not our best player, nor our 2nd, 3rd, or 4th best player on our team. He was the most productive in recieving, but that’s it.
No, Mr. Gallery was not our best OLineman either. Mr. Vehldeer was and is [that's why he was and still is playing LT] and Robbie is still playing left guard.
Raiders best player on offense and most productive was and is Mr. Darren McFadden; second best was and is Mr. Ford. Both of these players will have pro-bowl seasons, as will a few others.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Barkely and Maynard are looking good
September 8th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
Feel the autum wind blowing into mild high demolishing everything in sight making the opposition fear the horricfic things we impose. And all along laying down pipe
to our victims widows while they scream bloody murder asking the man above ” what did we do do deserve this”!
Raaaaaiiiiiiidddddeeeeeerrrrrrrsssssss!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Nutso, I like the laying down pipe part. LOL
September 8th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Ma name is stanky AL, caint ya knock me in the head, be better for everyone if I was just dead, I a alzheimer victim all outta control, funny thing is people think I still know.
Married my cheerleader, baldy name a Hue, we’re building a bully, dont ya know it’s true. He’ll wear a lil tutu when game day comes, wanna see him backflip, ‘ll be so much fun!
It’s 1969, though no one knows, Blanda’s 3rd and 1,over the line he will run, even though Plunk is gone away, I found me a slug name a Jason babe,
Defense this year really sucks, last in the league nothin but muck; hired a rehashed sucker Chuckie Bresnahan, hasn’t played in the league he a hell of a man….
Believe you me we’ll go 4 and 12 max, n I’ll look at ma tooner like he has anthrax, instead of pattin him on the shiny black head, I’ll rap it with pool cue, watch him fall, then bust a move.
So nothing ‘ll change til I am dead n gone, all you morons and idiots, I’ll write you a song.
The main thing is I outta ma mind, rationality is good but here you’ll never find…..
So why don’t ya all just knock me in the head, we’ll all be served iffen I’m just dead.
Caint ya just die AL???????
September 8th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
That’s right!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Puleeeze Barkley is showing he has grown some he is far from great. RGIII makes barkley lool like a backup………..period
September 8th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Priesttj,
to bad your opinion on QBs takes a backseat to Eli’s shiny Super Bowl ring.
Ryan, Flacco, Cutler. 10 years in league. 7 playoff appearances.
Legit.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
JB you are correct about free agency, hurting the Raiders.
I remember everyone and I mean everyone thought the Raiders would dominate, because of free agency; it backfired for us somehow.
New players simply took Al’s money and retired while playing for the Raiders;
of course Al’s treatment of Mr. Marcus Allen cost Al a great deal of respect and players stopped playing for him.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
2010 passer rating:
#16 86.3 cutler
#17 85.3 e.manning
#18 84.5 campbell
#25 76.5 bradford
#27 75.3 sanchez
know what ur talking about before u speak, stupid.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Remember Priesttj was pro-Russell when considering his QB evaluation opinions.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Flacco & Cutler have playoff appearences, because of Ray Lewis & Ed Reed, Urlacher & Peppers; not because of their own merits.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
I disagree,Priest.JC isn’t in the same category as Eli or Ryan and possibly Cutler at this point in time.If he continues to improve maybe in the future,but not now.It isn’t even close.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Campbell is as legit as any of those bums you mentioned. Ryan is good as long as he has the tools around him functioning right. I like him but franchise I don’t think so. Eli is Garbage.period I’ll take JC over him all day.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Umm, Campbell is the oldest of that bunch.
Stupid.
The other ones have shiny Super Bowl trophies, playoff victories, Pro Bowls, and one was a rookie.
Stupid.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:45 pm
RGIII is looking much more confident in the pocket, and WAY more accurate than previously advertised. If he can do what he did against TCU on a consistent basis, he could very well be a 2nd or even 1st round pick. Rare skill set there. Teams will be hard pressed to pass it up if RGIII shows he can be consistent.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
raiders return 8 of 11 starters on offense, 10 of 11 on defense.\
and that idiot sullivan keeps saying “we downgraded at nearly every position”. what a f*cking clueless loser.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
It is IMO Lefty12 what has Cutler done Eli is good as long as he’s on a team with a dominant defense and running game. JC is much better than YOU think just watch….
September 8th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
resign McFadden,Bush
Get young DT’s
another young project QB to compete
DB’s,Safties,LB’s
Keep building
September 8th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Priest no offense, but if u were pro-Russell uv lost all ur QB evaluation credibility
September 8th, 2011 at 11:48 pm
wow–u r such an idiot. teams win games, stupid. their stats don’t lie. cutler’s horrible. ask any bears fan. i know a ton. they hate him. a slew of giants fans want eli gone. he had one nice run. bradford may have a future but calling him legit at this stage is dumb. and sanchez plain sucks.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
lol Priesttj takes Campbell over Eli all day.
End of discussion.
Career win %, playoff win %, yards, TDs, sack-rate, fumble-rate, benchings, Pro-Bowls, Super Bowls be damned!!!!!!!!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:49 pm
I know QB’s who won SB’s and got cut after the game…………winning a SB doesn’t make you a great QB it means you are a great team. Dilfer wont remind anyone of Dan Marino ever…
September 8th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
JC couldn’t wear Eli’s jock.Get real,Priest.Ryan took a bad team and they are now SB contenders.JC has NEVER lead a team to an above .500 record.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Some of the best QB’s in history never even played in a SB the HOF is littered with them…..
September 8th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
alex–i’ll ask u the same question i ask of sullivan and i bet u’ll do what he does. either refuse to answer or give some ridiculous answer that doesn’t answer it.
why r u here? ur not a raiders fan. get a f*cking life! find a friend or something. how pathetic ur life must be.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Yes Rob Raider!!
The best way to measure a QB’s worth is not wins and losses, not playoff appearances and wins, not Super Bowls, not yards and TDs,
it’s whether the FANS WANT THEM OR NOT!!
Bwahahahahaha.
IQ of this blog is low tonight!!!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
504 Raider Raiders 31Donkeys 10
707raiders Raiiideerrrss 21 Broncos. 13
8RaiderReign8Raids – 26 Den – 23
909RaiderLifer RAIDERS 17——-DONKEYS 13……….
Al Davis Apolegetic Oakland 45 Denver 17
anhdazman Oakland 30 Denver 16
big oak boy raiders win monday 28-7
BigTed Raiders 30-24
Carl Weathers Raiders 34 – douche bags 17
CarolinaRaider -> RAIDERS 42-24
Chris in NY->Raiders 35, Donkeys 10
Dakota Raiders 42 Broncos 30
daraider09 Raiders 38 Denver 23
DKnight007 Denver 20 Raiders 13
DeuceDeuce Raiders – 34 Broncos – 31
Don Manouk-> Raiders 42-10
elraidmanhattan Raiders 35-20
EMRaiders OAK 23 DEN 21
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Raiders 31-27
FarEastRaider OAKLAND 23 – Denver 17
fingers Raiders 38…. Donks 17….
ghostraiders Raiders 23 Donks 20 FINAL O.T
HairyBush Raiders 27-24
JB Says: Raiders 31 Denver 10
J Hill Raiders 24-13
JLofty -> Raiders 35 Donkeys 31
Just Fire Baby Says: Raiders 30 Denver 26
Hagar the Horrible Raiders 27 – Sha-na-rat donkeys 13
hendu RAIDERS27-jACKARSES 13
HueJackinBullies Oak-24 Den-20
Lowdown_in_Beijing Raiders 26- Denver 13
LTR Raiders 23 – Broncos 17
M Lonetree Says: Raiders 26-14
Masta Yoda Raiders 10 Denver 9
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mikedlopes Raiders: 38 Broncos: 21
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Mr Jones Oakland Raiders 35 denver donkeys 10
oldschoolraider Raiders-24 Broncos-10
PatchedUp Raiders 42 Donks 10
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders:31Horse-facedCrybabys 20
R8derdiehard Oakland 20-10
R8dercain -> Raiders 35 broncos 14
r8eray Raiders 24 Donks 17
RaiderFanFromJersey Raiders 23, Donkeys 16
Raider J RAIDERS 23 – 13 den
Raiderinparadise 27 to 24 OAKLAND (thank you seabass)
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raiderjhawk 33-16 Raiders
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RaiderRetributionRaiders 35 – Denver 10
RaiderRockstar Raiders 38 Donks 24
Raidertalk Raiders 20, Broncos 0.
RedneckRaider Raiders 29 Donks 17
Rekleiner RAIDERS: 30 BRONC-A-HOES: 24
Ryan Raiders 38 Donkeys 10
SharkCatcher raiders 17-13
Silverandblack666 Raiders 31 Bronco’s 17
SilverAndBlackBleeder Oak37 Den21/McFadden/Bush 280 APY
SR Raider Raiders 27-21 den
The Big Banana –> Raiders 24-13
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Raiders, 31 Donks, 17
Try Some Reality Raiders 27-24
wasbanned Raiders roll 31-10
Yamacan Man Oakland 21 broncos 10
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JT-> Denver 24 Raiders 20
Sullivan44 Denver 24 Oakland 17
September 8th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Rob,
kicking a** at debate is good for the brain. Using logic is good for the brain.
That’s why I enjoy this.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Yes Rob Raider!!
The best way to measure a QB’s worth is not wins and losses, not playoff appearances and wins, not Super Bowls, not yards and TDs,
it’s whether the FANS WANT THEM OR NOT!!
Bwahahahahaha.
IQ of this blog is low tonight!!!
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no, u dolt. not wins, playoff appearances. do u judge punters that way too u moron?
it’s rating. period. that’s the stat that tells u how good they are. can u understand that, simpleton?
September 8th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Good point priest, and brad Johnson won a superbowl too, but i still take Eli over campbell
September 8th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Priesttj,
can you tell me which of those best QBs also had career losing percentages, got benched into their 6th starting season, were among league leaders in sacks and turnover ratio, had few TDs and yards?
I’ll wait.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Rob,
kicking a** at debate is good for the brain. Using logic is good for the brain.
That’s why I enjoy this.
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u must be so lonely! u poor guy. nobody like u in here, just like in real life. go somewhere else, u tool.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
If I ran the show?
The Raiders should make a trade to secure two first round picks in 2012. Draft a QB and a young plug of a DT like Worthy or Forston. In FA, sign OLB Lawson and a solid #2 CB who excels in man coverage (let Van Dyke develop for another year or two). Get QB Josh Johnson to compete with the rookie if JC doesn’t show improvement this season. Give Matt Shaughnessy a contract extension, too. Then the Raiders SHOULD be ready to compete with any team in the league.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Players I expect to be inactive for MNF:
Mr. Boss, Mr. Mitchell, & Mr. Murphy -no sense in playing them until they are a 100% as we are deep in those 3 positions.
other 4:
Mr. Chekwa or Mr. Giordano, Mr. Miller, Mr. Brown, & Mr. Ausberry
September 8th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
lol Rob,
now you’re debating that QBs don’t influence wins more than punters!!!!!!!!!
keep going!!!
And that the flawed QB rating stat that is being phased out is MORE important than wins, losses, yards, TDs, turnover ratio, sack ratio!!!!!
More!
September 8th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
Oh, and make another run at Dennis Thurman to be the DC.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
YA,
good stuff on your GM wish-list.
You’d probably have correctly taken Raji over DHB too. Or traded down to grab ANY of the other, better WRs taken in the 1st round.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Young American, I completely agree Raiders need to sign Mr. Shaughnessy long term.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
how long did it take kurt warner to emerge? or steve young? jeff hostetler? mark rypien? jim plunkett? u know so little about football.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Jets won’t let us talk to Dennis Thurman, they blocked it once, they’ll block it again
September 8th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
time to go to bed, got up to work at 7am this morning
September 8th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
You’d probably have correctly taken Raji over DHB too. Or traded down to grab ANY of the other, better WRs taken in the 1st round.
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I would have “reached” for Hakeem Nicks.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
Stats that matter when it comes to QBs.
Wins. TDs. Yards. turnover ratio. Sack ratio.
Why are people even fighting this??
Talking about who fans want or not. Sigh.
September 8th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
Rob,
if you have to go back 2 decades and longer to get your samples,
it’s time to look at what’s working in this day and age.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
U forgot a main intangible Alex, HEART
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Alex7 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
lol Rob,
now you’re debating that QBs don’t influence wins more than punters!!!!!!!!!
keep going!!!
And that the flawed QB rating stat that is being phased out is MORE important than wins, losses, yards, TDs, turnover ratio, sack ratio!!!!!
More!
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ur ignorance is so amazing! being phased out? it’s still THE stat used to judge qb’s. if u don’t know that, then i can’t help u. wins? losses? u think the qb should be given credit for that? what a dumbazz.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
YA All that sounds great man I love pie as well but not pie in my eye. Getting 2 1st isn’t easy sir. I don’t want to give up a great young player for someone YOU think will be great. That is backwards thinking just trading to get picks aimlessly doesn’t make sense unless there is a player you feel you must have to take the next step. Now you feel secure that those QB’s will be better than pryor before even seeing him play in an NFL game.
I say why not wait until you know what you have in Pryor before running off for a girl taht aint yours yet….. dig what I’m sayin’
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
And Kurt Warner made the Pro Bowl his 2nd year in the league.
But what do I know.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:01 am
bottom line–nobody likes u. why don’t u leave? get a life, loser.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:02 am
how old was warner, stupid?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:04 am
“*With starting wide receiver Kevin Boss still unable to return from the knee injury he suffered against the 49ers on Aug. 20, it’s looking more and more like Brandon Myers will start against the Broncos.”
they moved Boss to WR?!?!?!?!?!?!? jk Steve
September 9th, 2011 at 12:04 am
ok campbell sucks. al davis sucks. all the raiders suck. they’re the worst team ever, and they have the 53 worst players in the league. their coaches suck. their fans suck.
now will u leave, u piece of sh*t?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:04 am
he must have gone and killed himself–yes!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Ma name is stanky AL, caint ya knock me in the head, be better for everyone if I was just dead, I a alzheimer victim all outta control, funny thing is people think I still know.
Married my cheerleader, baldy name a Hue, we’re building a bully, dont ya know it’s true. He’ll wear a lil tutu when game day comes, wanna see him backflip, ‘ll be so much fun!
It’s 1969, though no one knows, Blanda’s 3rd and 1,over the line he will run, even though Plunk is gone away, I found me a slug name a Jason babe,
Defense this year really sucks, last in the league nothin but muck; hired a rehashed sucker Chuckie Bresnahan, hasn’t played in the league he a hell of a man….
Believe you me we’ll go 4 and 12 max, n I’ll look at ma tooner like he has anthrax, instead of pattin him on the shiny black head, I’ll rap it with pool cue, watch him fall, then bust a move.
So nothing ‘ll change til I am dead n gone, all you morons and idiots, I’ll write you a song.
The main thing is I outta ma mind, rationality is good but here you’ll never find…..
So why don’t ya all just knock me in the head, we’ll all be served iffen I’m just dead.
Caint ya just die AL???????
September 9th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Yes Rob.
I think top QBs win. I think their TDs, yards, and turnover ratio influence that more than any other position.
Playoffs prove me right every year.
CRAZY!!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:06 am
You said you were going to bed.
Goodnight.
You asked how long it took Warner to develop.
2 NFL years. He was 28, younger than Campbell.
And again, when your limited samples span the 70s, 80s, and 90s, it’s time to re-evaluate the situation.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Gotta run. Good discussion guys. Keep the faith – Go Raiders…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Lefty12 You really like Eli manning that much??? you’re kidding right? Talk about deer in headlights, that fool does some of the stupidest crap you ever want to see. he threw 24 int’s last year he was just tossing them up for grabs to get away from pressure.
If JC threw 24 int’s you’d be KILLING HIM……..but I guess the greta ELI has a great excuse………..I’m sorry of course he does.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Hue: “We’re building a bully!”
Al: “You get no run-stuffing LBers, no legit D-coordinator, no run stuffing DTs, no 3-4 looks, limited blitzes, and no zone to off-set pressure attacks. Have fun.”
Goodnight all.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:09 am
is this a great qb?:
career 62.0 completion%
7.06 yards/pass
1.51 td/int ratio
September 9th, 2011 at 12:09 am
chicken sh*t
September 9th, 2011 at 12:10 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 am
YA All that sounds great man I love pie as well but not pie in my eye. Getting 2 1st isn’t easy sir. I don’t want to give up a great young player for someone YOU think will be great. That is backwards thinking just trading to get picks aimlessly doesn’t make sense unless there is a player you feel you must have to take the next step. Now you feel secure that those QB’s will be better than pryor before even seeing him play in an NFL game.
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If the goal is to win now, I’d happily trade a 2013 1st and 3rd and a 2014 2nd rounder to secure two first round picks in 2012. Of course, that’s assuming that the Raiders are already picking high enough to get a player they already like.
You’re right, I wouldn’t trade up unless I was damn sure a QB I thought was “THE GUY” would be there. Wouldn’t just take any QB. Luck is likely out of the question, but I don’t think the dropoff from Luck to Jones is nearly as dramatic as many people seem to think. I’ve read more than a few scouting reports (Dave Razzano in particular) who think Jones might be just as NFL ready. I also really like Lindley and Cousins, but I’m waiting to see what they do this season before I’m completely sold on either of them.
I absolutely wouldn’t cut my losses on Pryor just yet. You can never have enough talent at the QB position. If Pryor develops behind a talented backup and a rookie who has the potential to be the future of the franchise? That’s a pretty great problem to have. It’s a QB league. I don’t think there’s such a thing as too many backup plans at that position.
One thing I DO know? The Raiders would be better off with a QB capable of putting the team on his back when it counts the most.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Teams like the ravens and bucs prove u can win a superbowl with a mediocre QB and dominating defense, problem is, we don’t have a dominating defense, matter of fact, far from it
September 9th, 2011 at 12:11 am
brett favre
career 62.0 completion%
7.06 yards/pass
1.51 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
idiot.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:11 am
ran his azz outta here.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Eli: “What did you say Priesttj? I was busy looking at my Super Bowl trophy, lifetime winning percentage, lifetime playoff winning percentage, and 4,000 yard season.
..
“Did you say something about Brees throwing 22 interceptions last year and not mattering?”
September 9th, 2011 at 12:13 am
And what excuse would that be?That he is asked to do much more than JC is?I was listening to a discussion with a couple of GMs,ex-coaches, and scouts and they ALL said Eli is they most underrated,under appreciated QB in the league.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Alex7 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:06 am
You said you were going to bed.
Goodnight.
You asked how long it took Warner to develop.
2 NFL years. He was 28, younger than Campbell.
And again, when your limited samples span the 70s, 80s, and 90s, it’s time to re-evaluate the situation.
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so ur suggestion is that we should go get brady, brees, rivers, or someone like that? how interesting. what a solution. morons always can point to the best and say “we should have that”. duh. easier said than done, stupid.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:14 am
You know it’s amazing how this crap happens, the year the Giants won the SB at midseason the Giants fans were trying to run Eli Manning and his coach out of town. In fact when they won the rest of the players wwre shocked at how well Eli played but if you look at his stats they aren’t great. That HailMary he threw that Tyree caught that was obviously a thing of beauty that ony Eli could’ve done. The guy was LUCKY as hell to win that game if not for that defense the Giants don’t sniff the Super Bowl not with taht guy at QB they don’t……………period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:15 am
lol,
yes Rob.
Captain checkdown does a good job completing meaningless passes and not throwing interceptions while his coaches try and convince him to “cut it loose!” and he takes more sacks than almost every other QB.
Nice stats.
Can we compare wins, yards, TDs, times benched for the likes of Todd Collins and Bruce Gradkowskis?
No?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:15 am
i dont care what team it is, even if its the panthers. i would take luck if im picking first. im not trading it for 4 1sts and mcfadden and bush
September 9th, 2011 at 12:16 am
Alex7 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:12 am
Eli: “What did you say Priesttj? I was busy looking at my Super Bowl trophy, lifetime winning percentage, lifetime playoff winning percentage, and 4,000 yard season.
..
“Did you say something about Brees throwing 22 interceptions last year and not mattering?”
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see. all u can talk about is wins, like every stupid casual fan out there. but u have no idea how wins are achieved.
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
idiot.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:17 am
Actually,Priest,it is amazing I think highly of Eli at all since he has a trait I can’t stand in a QB.He came from the SEC.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:17 am
ur stat is “times benched”? what a joke u r.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:18 am
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
idiot.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:18 am
Personally, I’d love to build up a d-line who can plug their gaps and keep the LBs clean. Get four guys who are damn near 300lbs, a couple DTs who can play 2-tech (the Bears did quite a bit of this their Superbowl season), and then let utilize a myriad of looks with the LBs. Zone, zone blitzes, Cover 0, combo blitzes, etc. This will take the pressure off of the DBs. Do like the Saints, Jets, and Bengals do… load up the box, man coverage on the outside, multiple safety looks but a lot of single-deep FS…
… that’s just me though.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Campbell:
“Waaah, a new playbook this year.”
“Waaah, I don’t like Bruce being #2.”
(Not bothered by new playbooks: Warner in AZ first year, Brees in NO first year, Favre in Minny first year, Flacco/Ben/Matt Ryan rookie year.
Quit making excuses. He’s always ranked in bottom half of QBs for a reason.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:19 am
career rating:
eli 80.2
jc 82.6
September 9th, 2011 at 12:19 am
If Eli was our QB last year you can bet your a$$ we would have been better than 8-8.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Rob,
how many times have the good NFL QBs of the last 5 years been benched.
You know, Ben, Eli, Rivers, Flacco, Ryan, Brees, Brady, Rodgers, Schaub, Mannings.
Never?
Weird.
Our guy 3 times in one year? At age 30? Hmmmmmm.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:22 am
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
idiot.
cmon stupid. say something about these stats.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:22 am
If Eli is our QB last year. We go 11-5, we win the sf, arz, and Jacksonville games easy
September 9th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Come on Rob, pretty please?
wins, TDs, sack ratio, not being traded for a future 4th rounder, not being benched 3 times last year because you suck,
none of those are more important?
Fine. Campbell was 18th in QB ratio last year despite the #2 run game in the NFL.
Sad.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:24 am
he’s 29 stupid. and he had a horrible time in washington because they suck. he played well down the stretch. if u deny that, then ur a liar. period.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:24 am
YA just because you like them doesn’t make them great trading picks to get those guys is not going to gaurantee anything I truely wish it would but it wont.
Why not let the season play out first and THEN take a look at next years draft to talk about the draft next year at this poin t is like washing the car to put it in the garage to stay for a while. Nothing you can do with it but look at it.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:26 am
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
address the black and white stats above moron.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:26 am
Ok Rob.
I’ll say something about your stats.
Completion %. Campbell was 23rd in the NFL last year.
Eli 9th. Campbell had #2 run game to help. He played the two weakest divisions in football.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:26 am
Pipe then why didn’t they win in NY??? Huh?
You guys crack me up…..that guy threw 24 int’s but he gets a pass ……..OK fine when JC throws a pick let’s all cheer!!!! YEEAAAAAHH!!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:26 am
eli=overrated
jc=underrated
stats don’t lie, stupid.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Looks like one guy is on the upswing, and one on the downswing.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:28 am
What’s the point in even getting a top D-Coordinator when they’re just going to run the same basic Al Davis defense with the same tweeners and out-of-position players?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 am
When a guy throws for 4,000 yards, 31 TDs, and has a Super Bowl trophy, he’s allowed to throw 20+ picks. (Eli and Brees
)
When a guy gets benched 3 times in one season at age 30, he’s not allowed to.
It’s not that complicated.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 am
eli has averaged 17.4 int’s/year.
jc 10.2
September 9th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Freeshot350 that is my sentiments exactly there is no way you get Luck from me unless I’m getting fired and the team is being sold………..period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Alex7 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 am
When a guy throws for 4,000 yards, 31 TDs, and has a Super Bowl trophy, he’s allowed to throw 20+ picks. (Eli and Brees )
When a guy gets benched 3 times in one season at age 30, he’s not allowed to.
It’s not that complicated.
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what kind of stupidity is that? LOL!!!!!!!!!
so if he wins a super bowl, he can suck and people like u will look the other way!
u just proved ur as dumb as even the dumbest casula fan.
ur ALLOWED to throw 20+ picks! hahahhahahahhahahahahha
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Rob_Raider they can say whatever they want only a fool would take Eli over JC IMO……………Eli is hated by Giants fans.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Campbell
#2 run game helping out.
23rd in completion %
14th in yards per attempt.
26th in yards.
26th in TDs (behind Alex Smith, Chad Henne, Jon Kitna, Shaun Hill lol)
8th IN SACKS TAKEN??? wow, congrats on a top-10 stat!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 am
he’s 29 stupid. and he wasn’t benched 3 times stupid.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:34 am
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
talk about these career stats, stupid. can’t do it can u? because it shows u know nothing. stats don’t lie, u do.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
TWENTY FOUR PICKS 24 TWENTY FOUR in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Rob_Raider they can say whatever they want only a fool would take JC over Eli IMO……………JC is hated by Raider fans. Well, not that many because 40,000 fans stay away from Raider home games every week because JC is our QB.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am
quit saying “our” and “we” u d*ck. ur not a raiders fan and we wouldn’t have u.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
TWENTY TWO PICKS 22 TWENTY TWO in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
THIS DREW BREES CLOWN LAST YEAR???
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am
but that’s not new in ur life, is it?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Damn A7,
You’re still at it with JC. Gotta give you props for that.
Awesome game tonite. Saw 2 QB’s we had a shot at getting. Oh well. Nothing about this preseason excited me. How many TD’s did our first stringers scored and gave up? Never mind.
Hope I’m wrong but I think we’re in for a looonnggg season. I’ll be golfing a lot more this year on Sundays now that golf is $10 per round in AZ. Later man and keep them honest.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Eli-156 career TDs with a 60-43 record.
JC-68 career TDs with a 19-35 record.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:37 am
90.9 drew brees
85.3 e.manning
84.5 campbell
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
TWENTY THREE PICKS 23 in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
THIS BRETT FAVRE JOKE?! 4,300 yards, 11-5 record, who cares, 23 PICKS?!
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:24 am
YA just because you like them doesn’t make them great trading picks to get those guys is not going to gaurantee anything I truely wish it would but it wont.
Why not let the season play out first and THEN take a look at next years draft to talk about the draft next year at this poin t is like washing the car to put it in the garage to stay for a while. Nothing you can do with it but look at it.
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Didn’t say that trading picks for a QB automatically made them great. You have to identify a QB who has the skills set looking for, who fits what you want to do on offense, who is a quick study and could help the team immediately even if it isn’t ideal to have to ask him to do so. THEN you do whatever it takes to get that guy. What I’m saying is that there’s a wealth of talent at the QB position in the 2012 draft, and I doubt the Raiders will have any better opportunity to find a guy who can be the future of the franchise.
JC is definitely serviceable, but I don’t see him ever being the kind of QB that can take over games when necessary. I’d love to be wrong about that, but I haven’t seen anything from him that would lead me to believe otherwise.
If the Raiders plan on competing with the Patriots, Steelers, Packers, Saints, etc., then they need to find a QB who can be that guy. Whether that’s Luck, Jones, Lindley, Griffin, Foles, or whoever, all that matters is that the coaching staff believes he can do everything they ask of him. Pryor isn’t near that level yet, nor is JC, and it would be foolish of the Raiders to wait around for either of them to emerge when young, NFL-ready talent will be available to them.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 am
Ya,only a fool would want 3 times as many wins and 2.5 times as many TDs.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 am
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 am
TWENTY EIGHT and TWENTY THREE PICKS 28 and 23 in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
This PEYTON MANNING JOKE?!?!
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 am
eli–77 td’s in first 57 games
jc–68 td’s in first 65 games
one played for a strong team in the giants.
one played for a horrible team in the skins and a decent team in last year’s raiders.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 am
priesttj Says:
TWENTY THREE PICKS 23 in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
THIS BRETT FAVRE JOKE?! 4,300 yards, 11-5 record, who cares, 23 PICKS?!
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 am
why are u here?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 am
“I’m a track guy, I know.”
Yes, Darius. We know. That’s kinda the problem. Don’t rub our noses in it, eh?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 am
go away
September 9th, 2011 at 12:42 am
no one likes u here, or anywhere, i’m sure
September 9th, 2011 at 12:42 am
they’re all track guys in the nfl stupid
September 9th, 2011 at 12:42 am
Lefty12 you like him you can have him Eli Manning is Alex Smith all over again he’s a BUM. The giants won a lot of games despite that fool. Because the running game was elite not the QB. And you could score on that defense. That’s how they won and that is how they have to win………..period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am
The reason one played for a strong team and the other played for a horrible team was the QBs of said teams.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am
priesttj Says:
TWENTY THREE PICKS 23 in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
THIS JOHN ELWAY JOKE?! 3,800 yards, 11-5 record, who cares, 23 PICKS?!
You gotta be smokin’ something………….period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am
no, see if your team wins, it doesn’t matter what stats u put up. don’t u get it?
LOL!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:44 am
priesttj Says:
“FORTY THREE PICKS 43 in ONE season and he’s great he’s ELITE????
Oh wait, George Blanda holds that record? Nevermind, he’s a RAIDER!
INTs don’t matter!!!”
September 9th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:43 am
The reason one played for a strong team and the other played for a horrible team was the QBs of said teams.
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oh f*ck!!!!!!
u just showed what a moron u are!
the skins wouyld have been winners w/ eli?
hahahhahahhahahahahha!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:44 am
Lefty12 I love the Giants the squad was off the chain for about 5 years. But don’t give all the credit to that guythat would be doing a disservice to that defense. His own players will tell you that.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:45 am
the reason the giants won the super bowl was b/c of eli?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Too be honest,I’d love to see Smith and JC on the same team,competing for the starting job.I doubt you’d like the outcome.After all,Smith is another one of those athletic guys trying to play QB.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:46 am
Lefty12 You obviously didn’t wathct those teams to make that statement………..you are way off my friend way off…..period
September 9th, 2011 at 12:47 am
why r u idiots here? don’t u have a life? can’t raider fans talk about the raiders w/o being bothered by friendless tools who can’t find something to do?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Rob
Fitzgerald runs a 4.6 forty. I ran a 4.65 in high school.
Boldin runs a 4.7 forty.
Jerry Rice 4.71 Emmitt Smith 4.7
T.O. 4.7 Wes Welker 4.55
but everyone’s a track star in the NFL. Sigh.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Lefty12 Eli has YOU snowed brotha
You probably hear of “JT the Brick” a talk show host call him up and ask him what he thin ks about that greta QB Eli Manning. There is no bigger Giants fan than JT. ask him what he thinks..
September 9th, 2011 at 12:49 am
nuff said. these guys are just ignorant. they are average idiot fans who know nothing about the game. all they know how to do is whine and complain. little crybabies who were tattle-tales in school.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:49 am
rob_raider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:47 am
why am I here? don’t I have a life? can’t raider fans talk about the raiders w/o being bothered by friendless tools like me who can’t find something to do except name-call?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Plunkett had inferior stats,but he won,he made the plays when he had to.He also threw a lot of ints..That is how a QB is gauged.Eli wins whether you guys like it or not.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Alex7 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Rob
Fitzgerald runs a 4.6 forty. I ran a 4.65 in high school.
Boldin runs a 4.7 forty.
Jerry Rice 4.71 Emmitt Smith 4.7
T.O. 4.7 Wes Welker 4.55
but everyone’s a track star in the NFL. Sigh.
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yes stupid. those guys were all considered fast in hi-school and likely ran track. tons of wr/rb/db’s run track in college. it’s considered a plus, stupid. ask a scout, stupid.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:51 am
I goota go get some sleep but
Let me say this lefty12 let’s revisit this by midseason and see what you think then. Alex Smith over JC LOL hahaha Forty Niner fans would take that right now…..LOL
September 9th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Alex7 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:49 am
rob_raider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:47 am
why am I here? don’t I have a life? can’t raider fans talk about the raiders w/o being bothered by friendless tools like me who can’t find something to do except name-call?
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hahahahhaha. i knew it!
ur dvrick!
it wouldn’t take long before u started doing that utterly lame joke of re-purposing other people’s posts. what an idiot.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Eli had QB ratings (Rob’s stat) of 117 and 132 in the Giants Super Bowl run.
He threw 6 TDs with 1 int.
Yeah, he kinda helped ALOT.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:52 am
JT the Brick-you are joking right?I told you earlier,I heard scouts,GMs and Ex-coaches talking about him.I’ll take their word over a loud mouth like JT.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Plunkett had inferior stats,but he won,he made the plays when he had to.He also threw a lot of ints..That is how a QB is gauged.Eli wins whether you guys like it or not.
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is plunkett in theHOF? why not? b/c of his stats. will eli be a HOF’er? not a chance, stupid.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:55 am
Lefty12 I know what you mean man Eli’s great no problem if that’s what you want. Go Eli…
Adios Fellas…Rob Lefty12
September 9th, 2011 at 12:55 am
eli
career 58.0 completion%
6.80 yards/pass
1.38 td/int ratio
jason campbell
career 60.8 completion%
6.74 yards/pass
1.48 td/int ratio
can’t talk ur way out of it. proof is in the pudding. stats don’t lie. eli’s stats worse than jc’s. period. end of story. u will never change it.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:55 am
The Raiders could never get Eli because the Giants wouldn’t be stupid enough to give him up,so what our opinion of him is,is really irrelevant.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:55 am
goodnight losers
September 9th, 2011 at 12:56 am
go find something to do where people might like u for a change.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:56 am
Lefty12 is just going on the success of the team. Dilfer had success when he got on a good team and got outta the way.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:58 am
goodness rob, your bad debate skills are on overdrive.
Lefty’s point is that throwing a lot of INTs is something that Brees, Favre, Peyton Manning, and Elway have all done. Many great QBs throw 20+ picks.
It’s part of throwing the dang ball to do some damage.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:59 am
Dilfer most definitely did not put up 130+ and 117+ QB ratings in the Super Bowl run the way that Eli did.
But keep going with your insane comparisons.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:59 am
Eli isn’t Brady,Payton,Brees,Rodgers,but I don’t see how you can deny he is a good QB.The eyes of the beholder I guess.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:01 am
The great Priesttj feels that JC is worth more than Eli.
Eli was aquired for Philip Rivers AND a 1st round pick.
JC was aquired for a future 4th round pick.
Only one of those trades resulted in 60-42 win/loss record, 4,000 yard seasons, 30 TD season, and Super Bowl by age 30.
The other trade had the QB get benched 3 times.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Rob
in 2 of the 3 stats YOU quote, Eli is better.
Then you say Jason is better and that the proof is in the pudding.
Odd.
September 9th, 2011 at 2:52 am
Von Miller is not playing defensive end. No way, he’d get swallowed in the running game! That’d be stupid of the broncos to do hahahaha. He’s playing Linebacker where he’ll suck in a 4-3. Certain situations will have him at end or rushing off the edge as a lb. But i’m comfortable about relying on McFadden and Bush come Monday Night
September 9th, 2011 at 3:14 am
Wow, are you guys really making a big deal between Eli and Jason Campbell? Who really cares. Eli has a ring because he was on a better team. JC is not a top 15 QB. Eli might just be right around there. Highly unlikely that Eli will get another chance before his career is over. JC odds doesn’t look that good either. He’s on his final year with Oakland. If he doesn’t get it done this year, he’ll probably won’t be resigned.
Case close.
September 9th, 2011 at 3:56 am
If he doesn’t get it done this year, he’ll probably won’t be resigned.
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Agreed. If JC plays well this year, he comes back and we can draft a DT with our first-rounder. If he doesn’t, what we do in the first round will depend greatly on Terrelle Pryor and the won-loss record. There are some good QBs in next year’s draft and a lot of teams pulled the trigger a year to soon. Landry Jones is only a junior, though, so he may stay another year at OU if he and his people think he can go higher by waiting. Stoops will encourage his guys to come out early if they will go high, but he’s also very good at keeping them around if they can do better a year later.
September 9th, 2011 at 4:25 am
You fellas sure can argue a point. I will sum it up for you.
Eli is a B- but he has played in the same system. He also gets points for being durable and playing every week.
JC is a C maybe a C- but he played in 8 different systems. This is the year JC plays above average. He will get a solid B at the end of the year and thats a top 12 QB.
BEST YEAR EVER!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 4:42 am
I wish I could accurately predict the future.
I can’t, though, so I’m waiting to see how JC plays before giving out any season grades for 2011. I’m optimistic because I think he’s played well in the preseason, but I think I’ll wait until the real deal has been underway for awhile before making any judgements.
September 9th, 2011 at 4:47 am
one thing you definitely will not see on Monday evening is a replica of the officiating seen in last night’s GB-NO game.
it was obvious the officials wanted the road team to tie or win the game.
Saints receiver skirts the sideline to a TD. Booth review lasts four tenths of a second. If it was a Raider receiver they would’ve called the DOD to get hi-res satellite images to see if one blade of sideline grass had touched the outer portion of his foot. Then again an Oakland receiver would’ve been called out of bounds at the two anyway.
Saints last-ditch drive. One completed pass obviously comes away from the receiver’s clutches as he hits the ground. The ball bounces back into his arms. Play is allowed to continue without a whimper from the booth.
A Raider receiver? Play is stopped. Booth rules incomplete. Then again, if it was an Oakland receiver it would’ve been called incomplete to begin with.
Pass interference in the end zone on the final play? Obviously not. AJ Hawk flew straight over the midget Sproles without touching him and batted the ball away. If it were a Raider receiver the flag would never have been thrown. game over.
September 9th, 2011 at 5:04 am
Put me down for Raiders 41 vs Broncos 17
September 9th, 2011 at 5:12 am
DHB should go back to track…of course Myers looks good against our defensive backs..who doesnt..its gonna be a close game in denver and we need our offense to step up..
September 9th, 2011 at 5:23 am
Crow Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 am
“I’m a track guy, I know.”
Yes, Darius. We know. That’s kinda the problem. Don’t rub our noses in it, eh?
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LMAO!!
September 9th, 2011 at 5:50 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
LOL…I agree with you M! Especially when they called pass interference….The replay clearly showed Hawk jumping over Sproles…but…of course, gotta get all the excitement they can right?
Also, we all know if Woodson was still a Raider and did what he did last night, he would HAVE been ejected!
September 9th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Chaz Schilens and Denarius Moore were the wide receivers with the second-team offense
Jacoby Ford and Derek Hagan were the wide receivers with the first-team offense.
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so Jhill was right?
DHB = 5th WR!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Broncos defensive coordinator Dennis Allen said the key to beating the Raiders is getting the Raiders in obvious passing situations so that Dumervil and Miller can turn it loose.
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He’s right
September 9th, 2011 at 6:13 am
I’m a track guy, I know.
-DHB
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LOL!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:19 am
of course Myers looks good against our defensive backs..who doesnt..
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Dang, NYC!
if anybody in our secondary gets torched, it’ll be DVD or Chekwa at nickel corner
I would think McClain, Wimbley, Groves, Branch or Huff would cover the TE!
…and i’m not too concerned about the coverage ability of those dudes
Brandon Myers = Brent Jones
September 9th, 2011 at 6:20 am
LMFAO. 75.96 FF pts. for Drew Brees. Team Wiggle almost has his projected points in with many games to play. Glad he got it out of his system. lol. Save some point for when you play Dakota.
September 9th, 2011 at 6:23 am
75.96 FF pts. for Drew Brees. Team Wiggle almost has his projected points in with many games to play. Glad he got it out of his system.
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Exla,
Jhill is no longer the FF punching bag in Dell’s league
Woot Woot!
Congrats to the family man
September 9th, 2011 at 6:23 am
So seems alot ppl here thinks Luck will juz come in and be more prepared 2 lead diz team than Soup…dats crazy…I like Luck but you guys shld know no draftee iz certain…this is Soup’s 1st time wit da same OC…wen I seen him audible 2get us into better plays diz preseason…I knew he was ready 2 take da next step…diz will be his best season wit da running game and weapons we will put on display dis year BOOKIT
September 9th, 2011 at 6:24 am
back to work. later gents!
coffee on me today. Gabby, get it going girl
September 9th, 2011 at 6:26 am
I can’t wait…this weekend I probably have to work, but I will be home with beer in hand Monday night! I hope the Raiders gives me a happy trip home!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:26 am
Thanks Rockstar! Gabby..give me a double!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:27 am
About Brees, that puts our preseason game in perspective. He torched the best defense in the NFC. Did the same to us.
September 9th, 2011 at 6:34 am
I wouldn’t be surprised if we all see those 2 teams in the NFC Championship game in January!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:43 am
IN GREEN BAY HWNRDR,WHERE IT SHOULD BE A NICE TOASTY -20 IN JANUARY..
September 9th, 2011 at 6:44 am
The frozen tundra of Lambeau Field….
September 9th, 2011 at 6:49 am
237.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 6:43 am
IN GREEN BAY HWNRDR,WHERE IT SHOULD BE A NICE TOASTY -20 IN JANUARY..
238.Kirk Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 6:44 am
The frozen tundra of Lambeau Field….
YUP! And we have to go there in December, right? I will be surprised if we pull off an upset there, but hey…I have seen weirder things!
September 9th, 2011 at 6:50 am
LOL…I agree with you M! Especially when they called pass interference….The replay clearly showed Hawk jumping over Sproles…but…of course, gotta get all the excitement they can right?
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That was definitely PI by Hawk. He touched the receivers back before the ball got there. In Sean Paytons best Tom Cable impersonation he runs a rookie into a defensive line that has been manhandling you all day on the play to decide the game? Horrible horrible call.
September 9th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Sorry BCZ24, I didn’t catch that part by Hawk. i thought he just jumped over that hurdle, I mean Sproles…lol…but yup, Collinsworth was talking about that call, and the one earlier when he called that play action that got Brees sacked! BJ Raji is a beast!
September 9th, 2011 at 7:02 am
I mean come on, you got arguably one of the best QBs in football and you run a rookie up the gut? JFB posted a few weeks ago the stats on 3rd and 4th and 1 runs, and I think they converted less than 50% of those last year throughout the league. Put the ball in Brees hands and let him tie the game.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Found this today… couldnt agree more:
“Todd Haley — It’s hard to criticize a guy who took the Chiefs from the bottom of the AFC West to a playoff berth. That’s why I’m around. I can criticize anyone.
We all know Haley refuses to give Jamaal Charles the ball more, instead opting to watch Thomas Jones run up the backs of his offensive linemen. Haley’s defense is that the Chiefs led the NFL in rushing last year.
No, the Chiefs led the NFL in rushing because Charles is so good that despite only touching the ball 15 times a game, He personally led all runners in rushing yards. I don’t think Jones’ 3.0 yards per carry had much to do with it.
Then Haley decides to play his guys in the meaningless last preseason game. The result? His starting quarterback has a cracked rib and his starting tight end (Tony Moeaki) is out for the season. I hope it was worth it.
I think sometimes coaches have a little success but at the end they’re still a joke. The classic case of this was the Giants Jim Fassel. Fassel led the Giants to a Super Bowl appearance but when it was all said and done he was an awful coach. I think Haley is in the same category.
Hey, you don’t have to listen to me. You can go by current Chief and former Cardinal Steve Breaston. He called Haley a jerk a couple of years ago. Apparently Breaston was trying to warn us all of things to come.
If you want to see a team fall off the face of the earth this season, keep an eye on the Chiefs. Sooner or later a coach’s true colors come through, and in my opinion, it’s only a matter of time before Haley goes the way of Fassel. In other words he’ll be coaching in the United Football League within three years.”
September 9th, 2011 at 7:06 am
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DHB who gives a $#!TTTTT that you are a track guy!!!!
You were paid to play WR.
come on man!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 7:07 am
J Wiggle was on autodraft!!!
All wins should contain asterisk.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:07 am
I thought Haley was a “jerk” (I could have used more colorful words, but I guess we all can’t these days) when he refused to shake McDaniels hand last year after the Broncos beat them. Very poor sportsmanship, and coming from the HC…come on now!
BCZ24…yeah, you got a guy like Drew Brees…enough said!
September 9th, 2011 at 7:10 am
RR – How do you know?
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225.RaiderRockstar Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Chaz Schilens and Denarius Moore were the wide receivers with the second-team offense
Jacoby Ford and Derek Hagan were the wide receivers with the first-team offense.
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so Jhill was right?
DHB = 5th WR!
September 9th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Drew Brees my favorite WR in the league.
Could you imagine what he could do with our WRs???
WoW!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 7:16 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
504 Raider Raiders 31Donkeys 10
707raiders Raiiideerrrss 21 Broncos. 13
8RaiderReign8Raids – 26 Den – 23
909RaiderLifer RAIDERS 17——-DONKEYS 13……….
Al Davis Apolegetic Oakland 45 Denver 17
anhdazman Oakland 30 Denver 16
big oak boy raiders win monday 28-7
BigTed Raiders 30-24
Carl Weathers Raiders 34 – douche bags 17
CarolinaRaider -> RAIDERS 42-24
Chris in NY->Raiders 35, Donkeys 10
Dakota Raiders 42 Broncos 30
daraider09 Raiders 38 Denver 23
DKnight007 Denver 20 Raiders 13
DeuceDeuce Raiders – 34 Broncos – 31
Don Manouk-> Raiders 42-10
elraidmanhattan Raiders 35-20
EMRaiders OAK 23 DEN 21
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Raiders 31-27
FarEastRaider OAKLAND 23 – Denver 17
fingers Raiders 38…. Donks 17….
ghostraiders Raiders 23 Donks 20 FINAL O.T
HairyBush Raiders 27-24
JB Says: Raiders 31 Denver 10
J Hill Raiders 24-13
JLofty -> Raiders 35 Donkeys 31
Just Fire Baby Says: Raiders 30 Denver 26
Hagar the Horrible Raiders 27 – Sha-na-rat donkeys 13
hendu RAIDERS27-jACKARSES 13
HueJackinBullies Oak-24 Den-20
Lowdown_in_Beijing Raiders 26- Denver 13
LTR Raiders 23 – Broncos 17
M Lonetree Says: Raiders 26-14
Masta Yoda Raiders 10 Denver 9
Method To My Madness Raiders16-13
mikedlopes Raiders: 38 Broncos: 21
morilla Raiders 27 – Broncos 17
Mr Jones Oakland Raiders 35 denver donkeys 10
oldschoolraider Raiders-24 Broncos-10
PatchedUp Raiders 42 Donks 10
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders:31Horse-facedCrybabys 20
R8derdiehard Oakland 20-10
R8dercain -> Raiders 35 broncos 14
r8eray Raiders 24 Donks 17
RaiderFanFromJersey Raiders 23, Donkeys 16
Raider J RAIDERS 23 – 13 den
Raiderinparadise 27 to 24 OAKLAND (thank you seabass)
Raiderjambo RAIDERS 31 broncs 14
raiderjhawk 33-16 Raiders
RaiderLen Raiders: 32 Donks: 17
RaiderRetributionRaiders 35 – Denver 10
RaiderRockstar Raiders 38 Donks 24
Raidertalk Raiders 20, Broncos 0.
RedneckRaider Raiders 29 Donks 17
Rekleiner RAIDERS: 30 BRONC-A-HOES: 24
Ryan Raiders 38 Donkeys 10
SharkCatcher raiders 17-13
Silverandblack666 Raiders 31 Bronco’s 17
SilverAndBlackBleeder Oak37 Den21/McFadden/Bush 280 APY
SR Raider Raiders 27-21 den
The Big Banana –> Raiders 24-13
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Raiders, 31 Donks, 17
Try Some Reality Raiders 27-24
wasbanned Raiders roll 31-10
Yamacan Man Oakland 21 broncos 10
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JT-> Denver 24 Raiders 20
Sullivan44 Denver 24 Oakland 17
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don’t forget Steve Corkran. Raiders 34 Broncos 17
September 9th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Mornin Nation
September 9th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Raiders 30 Broncos 17
September 9th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Broncos: “We’re gonna roll them”
Fighting words. Ready to kick some aS$ on Monday Night in Prime time.
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Thursday Update *** RB Knowshon Moreno (DEN) and Willis McGahee are both expected to see a lot of playing time during Week 1 against the Oakland Raiders. “We’re going to roll them. They’re going to play and if one of them is tired, the other one is going in. Then we’ll just keep them going. Both of them are going to play plenty of snaps, but we’re not going to worry about counting snaps with them. If someone is in there playing and they’re on a roll, then they’re going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they’re going to come out,” said offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. “Not necessarily ‘who’s hot’, but at the time in certain situations you’re going to have certain plays for everybody. That’s the game … it doesn’t mean that we’re going to put Willis in for a play and then take him out and put Knowshon in for a play. We’re just going to let them roll. They both can do everything and we’re fortunate to have both of them.”
September 9th, 2011 at 7:37 am
I really think that it will be a lot closer than what we like to believe. I just hope it doesn’t come down to Jano trying to kick a FG with seconds remaining. I’m going to have to turn away just like my whole family did in 91 when Scott Norwood missed the game winning FG in the Super Bowl
September 9th, 2011 at 7:41 am
NonPiper Having….. i saw your lil coward ass post after I left last night. I’ve always make great points you little neewbie btch and you know it. You are just a trollin ass loser who lacks skills to deal with da B@uce. Immature? Being 100pct negative cuz you dont get your way is immature….matter of fact its what women do. Pull ur fkin skirt down you wimp. and yeah I call ppl names when it fits the situation. The fk are u gonna do about it? Nada but be a sucka and play Sims all night then transfer over to Guitar Hero
September 9th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Oh Broncos talkin some schit? Gonna roll us? Oh we will see about that schit
September 9th, 2011 at 7:43 am
One of the more intriguing matchups in Monday’s game will be Raiders left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer against Broncos defensive end Elvis Dumervil.
Veldheer stands 6-feet-8 and goes 315 pounds. Dumervil is one of the shorter ends in the league at 5-11 and 260.
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Well, there’s your game plan.
Run it down the undersized, pass rushing, DE’s throat.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Hwnrdr….you are correct but you cant tell that to defeated people like Alexander. Remember 7-9 tops lol
September 9th, 2011 at 7:49 am
DHB the 5th wr? We can only dream but I believe he starts so we can get some early PI calls lol
September 9th, 2011 at 7:53 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Oh Broncos talkin some schit? Gonna roll us? Oh we will see about that schit
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Put that on the bulletin board, in the locker room. Come out mean and nasty, fhok them up.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Robert Gallery to miss opener it appears for Seahawks. Meanwhile in Oak-Town Lil’ Wiz continues to impress and improve.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:34 am
LMN
the point is that we will be in more shootouts because we have a poor passing defense and a much improved passing offense with weapons at wr, te, and coming out of the backfield. The point u made is that teams will chew up the clock, completed passes chew up much more field than a running play. They also chew up less clock, a team will opt to pass on us before running if our passing D is bad because it moves the ball toward the endzone much quicker, thus taking up less time. What part of that don’t u get????
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I might ask you the same..
we had the 29th RUN-D, fact, and now our PASS-D surely has digressed… which means our D is plain bad! add to that mix our DC is a tool..
I claim we on D will see a lot of 12 snap series, run or pass, doesnt matter.. run is often a bit sideways and passes are often more deep thats true, doesnt matter. What matters is 12 time 40 seconds.. usually teams runs the ball at their pleasure, now they will do the same passing the ball..
Lets say 50/50 to keep it even, thats 48 passing yds, 24 running yds.. thats 72yds, if they start at the 20 its a sure 3 points each drive, of course some will be incompletes, but some runs and passes will be for more that avg too.. so that 72yds in 8 minutes.. sure 3 and often 7 points
so add that up with our O getting a lot of 3′n’outs, that will make a deficit, timewise and pointwise… which then means we are forced to throw, which then again means its furthermore predicable to defend against
I dont buy into this years O-line is better, and I dont believe in Jason C, because he is too slow, snap-scan-release just isnt upto par. The Longer Jason C takes to deliver the the ball, thehigher are risks that some of our Linemen makes a mistake of draws a penalty..
So no I dont believe when you say we will have an top 5 offense.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Is Von Miller going to play DE or OLB in Dungver?
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
“They all say they want me to” run the anchor leg, Heyward-Bey said. “I’m more comfortable running the second leg. That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”
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Maybe you should pursue that career path instead of football?
Just a thought.
September 9th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Bcz….good stuff on Haley lol….that guuy ripped him to shreds. Chiefs bout to lose vs Bills on sunday at home…..just watch. All those so called experts saying SD and kC will fight for division bout to eat those words
September 9th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Dakota lmao and the comedy train continues
September 9th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Thursday Update *** RB Knowshon Moreno (DEN) and Willis McGahee are both expected to see a lot of playing time during Week 1 against the Oakland Raiders. “We’re going to roll them. They’re going to play and if one of them is tired, the other one is going in.”
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Uhhhh guys, that is not smack talk, they are just saying they are going to alternate their running backs….they are not saying they are going to roll us….lol
Reading comprehension…..
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
I understand Dakota.
Just trying to whip up some anger. Lets get the smack talk going. Get fired up. Get mean. FOOTBALL!!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
So no I dont believe when you say we will have an top 5 offense.
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From the sounds of it you are pretty certain we will be one of the worst teams in football.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
La Melissa shut up u euro phag
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Broncos D going to get lit up again…Neither bailey or goodman can keep JFORD from getting open…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Boyd, Brown, Miller, Porter, Schilens — who’s the odd-man-out, when Pryor gets re-instated?
September 9th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Dakota……no! We are going to roll them is directly talking about beating us…..comprehension? Go read Hue’s comments from this fix…..it shoots your post down
September 9th, 2011 at 8:03 am
267.guest123 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:00 am
I understand Dakota.
Just trying to whip up some anger. Lets get the smack talk going. Get fired up. Get mean. FOOTBALL!!
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Oh, okay….yeah…..ummmmmm FK THOSE BRONCOS FOR TALKIN’ SMACK!!!!! THEY WILL PERISH AT THE FEET OF CAPTAIN MCFADDEN!!!! THEY WILL CRUMBLE UNDER THE PRESSURE OF THE CHUCKY B D!!!!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Only one team in football I hate.
The Broncos. I don’t even need a reason to get up for this game. It could be week 16, and the Broncos could be out of the playoffs or it could be a meaningless preseason game. I get fired up something special for this game.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:04 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Is Von Miller going to play DE or OLB in Dungver?
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olb
September 9th, 2011 at 8:04 am
272.Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Dakota……no! We are going to roll them is directly talking about beating us…..comprehension? Go read Hue’s comments from this fix…..it shoots your post down
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Lol, okay….but I think Hue’s reading comp skills are now questionable too.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:05 am
r8dercain Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 7:16 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:51 pm
504 Raider Raiders 31Donkeys 10
707raiders Raiiideerrrss 21 Broncos. 13
8RaiderReign8Raids – 26 Den – 23
909RaiderLifer RAIDERS 17——-DONKEYS 13……….
Al Davis Apolegetic Oakland 45 Denver 17
anhdazman Oakland 30 Denver 16
big oak boy raiders win monday 28-7
BigTed Raiders 30-24
Carl Weathers Raiders 34 – douche bags 17
CarolinaRaider -> RAIDERS 42-24
Chris in NY->Raiders 35, Donkeys 10
Dakota Raiders 42 Broncos 30
daraider09 Raiders 38 Denver 23
DKnight007 Denver 20 Raiders 13
DeuceDeuce Raiders – 34 Broncos – 31
Don Manouk-> Raiders 42-10
elraidmanhattan Raiders 35-20
EMRaiders OAK 23 DEN 21
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Raiders 31-27
FarEastRaider OAKLAND 23 – Denver 17
fingers Raiders 38…. Donks 17….
ghostraiders Raiders 23 Donks 20 FINAL O.T
HairyBush Raiders 27-24
JB Says: Raiders 31 Denver 10
J Hill Raiders 24-13
JLofty -> Raiders 35 Donkeys 31
Just Fire Baby Says: Raiders 30 Denver 26
Hagar the Horrible Raiders 27 – Sha-na-rat donkeys 13
hendu RAIDERS27-jACKARSES 13
HueJackinBullies Oak-24 Den-20
Lowdown_in_Beijing Raiders 26- Denver 13
LTR Raiders 23 – Broncos 17
M Lonetree Says: Raiders 26-14
Masta Yoda Raiders 10 Denver 9
Method To My Madness Raiders16-13
mikedlopes Raiders: 38 Broncos: 21
morilla Raiders 27 – Broncos 17
Mr Jones Oakland Raiders 35 denver donkeys 10
oldschoolraider Raiders-24 Broncos-10
PatchedUp Raiders 42 Donks 10
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders:31Horse-facedCrybabys 20
R8derdiehard Oakland 20-10
R8dercain -> Raiders 35 broncos 14
r8eray Raiders 24 Donks 17
RaiderFanFromJersey Raiders 23, Donkeys 16
Raider J RAIDERS 23 – 13 den
Raiderinparadise 27 to 24 OAKLAND (thank you seabass)
Raiderjambo RAIDERS 31 broncs 14
raiderjhawk 33-16 Raiders
RaiderLen Raiders: 32 Donks: 17
RaiderRetributionRaiders 35 – Denver 10
RaiderRockstar Raiders 38 Donks 24
Raidertalk Raiders 20, Broncos 0.
RedneckRaider Raiders 29 Donks 17
Rekleiner RAIDERS: 30 BRONC-A-HOES: 24
Ryan Raiders 38 Donkeys 10
SharkCatcher raiders 17-13
Silverandblack666 Raiders 31 Bronco’s 17
SilverAndBlackBleeder Oak37 Den21/McFadden/Bush 280 APY
SR Raider Raiders 27-21 den
The Big Banana –> Raiders 24-13
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Raiders, 31 Donks, 17
Try Some Reality Raiders 27-24
wasbanned Raiders roll 31-10
Yamacan Man Oakland 21 broncos 10
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JT-> Denver 24 Raiders 20
Sullivan44 Denver 24 Oakland 17
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don’t forget Steve Corkran. Raiders 34 Broncos 17
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Add mine in:
raidertbone Raiders 32 Broncos 14
September 9th, 2011 at 8:05 am
The broncos believe they will run the rock down our throats and surely remember almost a century of points being dropped on them last season and badly wanna get at us about it
September 9th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Lol Dakota
September 9th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Lest see how hays, miller, and woodyear try and cover DMAC, and TJ out of the backfield….
It will be the same result as when jonathan vilma tried to hold TJ…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:09 am
So Dakota u going to the game…..can i expect to see a guy with a long mullet with the Raider logo design on each side of his head? U will have a Raider Mullet helmet…first ever!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:05 am
The broncos believe they will run the rock down our throats and surely remember almost a century of points being dropped on them last season and badly wanna get at us about it
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LMAO @ Broncos thinking they are going to roll down on us with a broken down old McGahee and no-talent bust Moreno. That’s gotta be the worst tandem backfield in the NFL.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:10 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 7:55 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:34 am
LMN
the point is that we will be in more shootouts because we have a poor passing defense and a much improved passing offense with weapons at wr, te, and coming out of the backfield. The point u made is that teams will chew up the clock, completed passes chew up much more field than a running play. They also chew up less clock, a team will opt to pass on us before running if our passing D is bad because it moves the ball toward the endzone much quicker, thus taking up less time. What part of that don’t u get????
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I might ask you the same..
we had the 29th RUN-D, fact, and now our PASS-D surely has digressed… which means our D is plain bad! add to that mix our DC is a tool..
I claim we on D will see a lot of 12 snap series, run or pass, doesnt matter.. run is often a bit sideways and passes are often more deep thats true, doesnt matter. What matters is 12 time 40 seconds.. usually teams runs the ball at their pleasure, now they will do the same passing the ball..
Lets say 50/50 to keep it even, thats 48 passing yds, 24 running yds.. thats 72yds, if they start at the 20 its a sure 3 points each drive, of course some will be incompletes, but some runs and passes will be for more that avg too.. so that 72yds in 8 minutes.. sure 3 and often 7 points
so add that up with our O getting a lot of 3′n’outs, that will make a deficit, timewise and pointwise… which then means we are forced to throw, which then again means its furthermore predicable to defend against
I dont buy into this years O-line is better, and I dont believe in Jason C, because he is too slow, snap-scan-release just isnt upto par. The Longer Jason C takes to deliver the the ball, thehigher are risks that some of our Linemen makes a mistake of draws a penalty..
So no I dont believe when you say we will have an top 5 offense.
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If we don’t have a Top 5 offense after the first two weeks of the season (vs. Denver and vs. Buffalo), then something is VERY, VERY WRONG!!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:10 am
I AM SO FKN PUMPED TO GO TO THIS GAME!!!!! I want to jump in my car right now and head for Dungver.
I can’t even get any work done. I have already mentally checked out for my 4 (now 5) day weekend.
HERE WE GO RAIDERS HERE WE GO!
I love yelling in-com-plete at Denver when the Bronco QB throws a bad pass.
I may climb to the top of the horse and take a great big poo on its head.
We own DUNGVER!
sdg wrgbighrbebe!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:10 am
I think Ford and Schillens will start. A little surprising since they missed considerable time due to injury. Jacoby definitely deserves to start if his hand is fully healed and he will stretch the field. Chaz can be the security blanket, posession guy JaJason needs. I like this combination.
DMoore should be first in the rotation, and also on the field in 3 WR sets.
DHB gets time when Ford needs relief and Hagan comes in when Chaz needs a blow of gets injured.
This position is log jammed when Murphy returns.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:05 am
The broncos believe they will run the rock down our throats and surely remember almost a century of points being dropped on them last season and badly wanna get at us about it
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It’ll be really noisy about 8 minutes into the game. After that, Mile High will grow restless and there will be many orange-clad people wondering why they paid the price of admission.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:13 am
If we don’t have a Top 5 offense after the first two weeks of the season (vs. Denver and vs. Buffalo), then something is VERY, VERY WRONG!!
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I am going to stick to the prediction we will have a top 5 O this year…We have all the tools to make this happen should not be a shock when it does…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I may climb to the top of the horse and take a great big poo on its head.
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Didn’t Alzado (God rest his soul!) do that already?
September 9th, 2011 at 8:15 am
Hmmmm, Raider O goes into hiding about 6 months ago, and now there is a terror alert.
Coincidence?
September 9th, 2011 at 8:15 am
After the Offensive display we put on denver everyone will say….eh its only denver you shouldhave beat them….
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
288.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I may climb to the top of the horse and take a great big poo on its head.
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Didn’t Alzado (God rest his soul!) do that already?
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Oh, well I better bring some Lysol then….
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Thec i feel we gonna be acing that rookie safety Rahim Moore…..Brandon Meyers has good game
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Robert Gallery to miss opener it appears for Seahawks.
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Hangnail …
September 9th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Lefty12 Says:
September 8th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Would anyone be willing to part with 2 1sts and McFadden?
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Sure. For Aaron Rodgers AND Clay Matthews.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
288.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I may climb to the top of the horse and take a great big poo on its head.
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Didn’t Alzado (God rest his soul!) do that already?
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Oh, well I better bring some Lysol then….
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Better still: go up into the box and take a big dump on Elway!!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:18 am
293.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Robert Gallery to miss opener it appears for Seahawks.
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Hangnail …
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I heard he was diagnosed with an acute anal tear and Cable is the suspect.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:19 am
288.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:14 am
I may climb to the top of the horse and take a great big poo on its head.
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That’s quite a hike to get to that donkey statue. At least it was in the old Mile High stadium. I remember back in the day going there and thinking it’d be fun to piss on it’s leg.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Dam Dakota, you’re on a roll! LOL
September 9th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Thec i feel we gonna be acing that rookie safety Rahim Moore…..Brandon Meyers has good game
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Denvers d even without the injuries, and the aging defenders like baily goodman, and dawk does not match up well against the Raiders O…
This game is going to be a disaster for denver…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:18 am
293.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Robert Gallery to miss opener it appears for Seahawks.
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Hangnail …
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I heard he was diagnosed with an acute anal tear and Cable is the suspect.
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Cable doesn’t do THAT — he just beats up poor, defenseless creatures … uh, wait a minute — I STAND CORRECTED!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:24 am
what is denver going to do to mitigate our run game stack the box?
Go take a look at the NO game JC was making some good adjustments at the LOS, and he had some good reads…
Hue took it easy on them last year…We shoud put up at least 40
September 9th, 2011 at 8:24 am
“acute anal tear”
That’s funny!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:25 am
McFadden Murders Broncos:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HsG0IU1KkRg
September 9th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Robert Gallery to miss opener it appears for Seahawks.
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Hangnail …
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Watch as the Seachickens end up signing Loper…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Watch as the Seachickens end up signing Loper…
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and our old friend, good ol’ “Mop Handle”
September 9th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Obviously, (Hue!) the drafting of JaMoron Russell number one overall was one of the biggest blunders ever and set the Raids back tremendously.
There have been some other dubious high first round selections recent selections as well. Most notably, DHB and Huff.
But besides JaMoron, there is little doubt that Gallery was the worst selection of them all.
The guy was an absolute bust at LT. And I don’t care what anyone says, he sucked at LG too. I’m not even going to hold the fact that he’s injury prone against him.
Al Davis was 1000% correct in not offering the tattooed turnstile anywhere near the money he thought he was worth. Glad he’s gone.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
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I am just hoping Hue is building something that can TACKLE SOMETHING!!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Dakota is a funny mthfka
September 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am
Games notes*
DMAC will get loose for 2/3 TD’s and 150 yards.
DHB will make 0/1 catches for under 12 yards.
Hagan will watch DHB from the sidelines.
Moreno will run for 125 yards.
SeaPerch will miss from inside the 40.
Obviously.
The end
September 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I still think Soup takes too long to make decisions in the pocket. Man I watched GB and STs last night and they were doing stuff we can only dream of. I like Soup and I think this is going to be his best year – I hope it all comes together Monday!
September 9th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Everone says that we got worse on O how?
1. JC is a better QB this year than lst.
2. DMAC is still a Raider
3. gallery is nolonger a Raider.
4. JFORD is still a RAIDER.
6. The WR corp is improved.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Raiderbuck Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I still think Soup takes too long to make decisions in the pocket. Man I watched GB and STs last night and they were doing stuff we can only dream of. I like Soup and I think this is going to be his best year – I hope it all comes together Monday!
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Tthose 2 QB’s have been in the same system for several years…What we see is the result of that…
Consistency is huge…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:45 am
I seem to have a lot of Donco friends on FB – time for that to stop
September 9th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
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There are some receivers that are open even when they’re covered. CJohnson in Detroit is an example.
Some QBs are so accurate, and their timing is so good, that even when their receivers are covered, they’re still open. Rodgers is one of them.
Don’t think the Raids don’t have a receiver like megatron, and I know JaJason isn’t in Rodger’s class.
So Hue isn’t going to be able to build THAT type of bully anytime soon.
In the meantime, we’re going to have to be satisfied with DMAC and a powerful, explosive running game keeping opposing offenses and our defense off the field as much as possible. Also minimizes the necessity of asking JaJason to do too much. That’ll have to do for now.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:49 am
310.MistaBrown Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:40 am
Games notes*
DMAC will get loose for 2/3 TD’s and 150 yards.
DHB will make 0/1 catches for under 12 yards.
Hagan will watch DHB from the sidelines.
Moreno will run for 125 yards.
SeaPerch will miss from inside the 40.
Obviously.
The end
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LMAO….Raider win
September 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
denver has not shown me they can stop DMAC.
1. v miller is a good pass rusher, how is he against the run?
2. hays the mlb is 5′11″ 250, gets swallowed up by olinemen…He is still the starting mlb.
3. dumvill is a great pass rusher how is he against the run?
4. has a very age old secondary…
5. they have injuries to starters on the dline.
6. a rookie starting at saftety the kid from ucla.
I see zero improvement from last year…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z_4AxzvhCPY
Check out this video — it’s what Bronco fans will be doing on Monday night …
(if the link doesn’t work, go to You Tube and key in “Crying Baby T-Pain”)
September 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I would not be surprised to see DHB play the 1st series before being yanked so Jackson can tell Coach Davis DHB pulled a hammy.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:51 am
315.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
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There are some receivers that are open even when they’re covered. CJohnson in Detroit is an example.
Some QBs are so accurate, and their timing is so good, that even when their receivers are covered, they’re still open. Rodgers is one of them.
Don’t think the Raids don’t have a receiver like megatron, and I know JaJason isn’t in Rodger’s class.
So Hue isn’t going to be able to build THAT type of bully anytime soon.
In the meantime, we’re going to have to be satisfied with DMAC and a powerful, explosive running game keeping opposing offenses and our defense off the field as much as possible. Also minimizes the necessity of asking JaJason to do too much. That’ll have to do for now.
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Blaaaaaaaaaah….yeah cant ask the NEGROES to do too much at QB right….Trent Edwards MUP baby!!! lol
September 9th, 2011 at 8:52 am
319.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I would not be surprised to see DHB play the 1st series before being yanked so Jackson can tell Coach Davis DHB pulled a hammy.
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HAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
September 9th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:52 am
319.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:50 am
I would not be surprised to see DHB play the 1st series before being yanked so Jackson can tell Coach Davis DHB pulled a hammy.
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After all, as DHB has already acknowledged: “I am a track star”
September 9th, 2011 at 8:54 am
I expect JC to do more this year…A lot of teams are going to stack the box early on us…
Denver will start out by doing this…
I saw this in preseason he played with a lot of confidence. I expect for JC to continue to make good reads and good decisions when the box is stacked.
I also expect him to make some great plays with his arm…
September 9th, 2011 at 8:55 am
I’m not even sure DHB has a hammy it could have been removed @ birth.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:55 am
What is Louis Muprhy’s injury anyway?????
Uh, who cares put him next to Chazina
September 9th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Still race baiting BauZe ? Give it up.
Not my fault you’ve got a mancrush on JaJason.
September 9th, 2011 at 8:59 am
326.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Still race baiting BauZe ? Give it up.
Not my fault you’ve got a mancrush on JaJason.
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“JaJason” is you race baiting not me you rusty ass kakike
September 9th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Mista…..louis sprained his snatch
September 9th, 2011 at 9:01 am
guest123 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Broncos: “We’re gonna roll them”
Fighting words. Ready to kick some aS$ on Monday Night in Prime time.
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Thursday Update *** RB Knowshon Moreno (DEN) and Willis McGahee are both expected to see a lot of playing time during Week 1 against the Oakland Raiders. “We’re going to roll them. They’re going to play and if one of them is tired, the other one is going in. Then we’ll just keep them going. Both of them are going to play plenty of snaps, but we’re not going to worry about counting snaps with them. If someone is in there playing and they’re on a roll, then they’re going to stay in. When they need to come out, then they’re going to come out,” said offensive coordinator Mike McCoy. “Not necessarily ‘who’s hot’, but at the time in certain situations you’re going to have certain plays for everybody. That’s the game … it doesn’t mean that we’re going to put Willis in for a play and then take him out and put Knowshon in for a play. We’re just going to let them roll. They both can do everything and we’re fortunate to have both of them.”
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It was the O-co referring to “rolling” McGahee and Moreno. He wasnt sayin theyre gonna roll the Raiders. They know better than that. They seen the tapes.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:54 am
I expect JC to do more this year…A lot of teams are going to stack the box early on us…
Denver will start out by doing this…
I saw this in preseason he played with a lot of confidence. I expect for JC to continue to make good reads and good decisions when the box is stacked.
I also expect him to make some great plays with his arm…
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Yup, wouldn’t surprise to see plenty of stacked defenses.
What would you do if you were facing DMAC, Bush, and the number 2 ranked rushing attack ?
You’d dare JaJason to beat you.
There were a couple of plays this pre-season that excited me. One was Taiwan’s juke and run up the left sideline. His speed was otherworldly that play.
But the play that excited me most was JaJason’s backshoulder throw to DHB up the right sideline that nearly went for 6. Nice grab, but a hell of a throw.
Would love to see more of that type of play from JaJason.
He’s looked better than I’ve ever seen him play before. More in command, more willing to go downfield.
But at the end of the day, I’m still not sold.
Hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
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Only cowards hope to be wrong
September 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
“Mista…..louis sprained his snatch”
Yeah he tripped on one of his meat flaps!
September 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
F any team but the Raiders right about now but Brees v Rodgers looked better than Brady v Manning if only for one night. Those Green Bay receivers really attack the ball and make catch after catch. Let’s hope our talented receivers can learn to do that. Good news is neither D looked much better than ours and those were 2 top d’s last year and neither team could slow the game down with the run game like we can
September 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am
332.Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
“Mista…..louis sprained his snatch”
Yeah he tripped on one of his meat flaps!
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LMAO
September 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I don’t dislike Orton, but if he were to get knocked out and they had to bring in either Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, or Te-Blow —- hoooooooooooooo, baby!!
September 9th, 2011 at 9:19 am
denver has done nothing that includeds hiring a defensive minded HC to suggest that last years results are going to be any diffrent…
denver does not match up well against the Raiders…I actually feel sorry for them, as this game will be an unmitgated disaster…A major cluster fck….
September 9th, 2011 at 9:19 am
333.inonewordraider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 8:31 am
Man Rodgers looked sharp last night. The guy throws the ball so crisp and his receivers go hard for the ball even if its not perfectly thrown.
It looked like a well oiled machine when their offense was out there. I hope this is what Hue is building.
F any team but the Raiders right about now but Brees v Rodgers looked better than Brady v Manning if only for one night. Those Green Bay receivers really attack the ball and make catch after catch. Let’s hope our talented receivers can learn to do that. Good news is neither D looked much better than ours and those were 2 top d’s last year and neither team could slow the game down with the run game like we can
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Truth
September 9th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Would love to see more of that type of play from JaJason.
But at the end of the day, I’m still not sold.
Hope you’re right and I’m wrong.
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Based on your comments i am allready right however, i will defer to the live bullets, evaluate the first 8 games.
So when do you plan on removing the Ja..?
September 9th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Its obvious that Campbell is not as good as Rodgers or Brees and it has nothing to do with skin color.
Its kind of painful to see how good some teams are and how far behind them we are is why I brought it up.
Sure their (GB) defense was spotty last night but when it counted they stood up and made the play on the goal line.
Now if our Defense can be the same bend but don’t break kind of play I will be very happy about our ability to win the division.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am
BauZe, I’m trying to talk Raider football, so I’ll ignore your nonsense.
I was commenting on Thec’s post and observations…let me get back to that.
I agree with Thec that Campbell did appear much more confident and poised. It’s obvious he’s in command.
He definitely seemed more willing to go upfield than he has before.
But I still see some disturbing things.
There were two times his audibles stunk. One resulted in a delat of game. Another resulted in the Raids running diectly into a run blitz. Still showing a propensity of burning time outs unnecessarily.
Another was his lack of awareness and getting passes batted down.
Still looks like he’s got two left feet when he’s got to move outside the pocket or slide.
But most disturbing is the complete lack of accuracy and timing on deep balls. As I mentioned, very nice long toss to DHB, but besides that nearly every other deep ball has been underthrown or thrown out of bounds.
As you pointed out, we can expect that Campbell and the Raids will be facing plenty of defenses stacked to stop the run. Hopefully he’ll be able to exploit them as you think he will.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I’m also very impressed with the improvement of Jason Campbell. He’s more relaxed at the line. You can see his cadence has improved while he’s scanning the defense. They are running Al Saunders playbook, reading and reacting. Finding the defense’s weakness, checking down to the wide open guy in the flat. Setting up screens while looking off safeties. These are the little things that show Jason Campbell’s time is now.
All we need is the O-line to hold up. We got too much speed at every position and are a mismatch nightmare for D Coord’s. We are gonna give them ulcers thinking about how to stop us. Only one way, and that’s pressuring Soup.
Key is the O-line. Key to the game.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:27 am
335.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I don’t dislike Orton, but if he were to get knocked out and they had to bring in either Dr. Quinn, Medicine Woman, or Te-Blow —- hoooooooooooooo, baby!!
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LMAO@Dr. Quinn…..too awesome Tbone
September 9th, 2011 at 9:29 am
340.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:25 am
BauZe, I’m trying to talk Raider football, so I’ll ignore your nonsense.
I was commenting on Thec’s post and observations…let me get back to that.
I agree with Thec that Campbell did appear much more confident and poised. It’s obvious he’s in command.
He definitely seemed more willing to go upfield than he has before.
But I still see some disturbing things.
There were two times his audibles stunk. One resulted in a delat of game. Another resulted in the Raids running diectly into a run blitz. Still showing a propensity of burning time outs unnecessarily.
Another was his lack of awareness and getting passes batted down.
Still looks like he’s got two left feet when he’s got to move outside the pocket or slide.
But most disturbing is the complete lack of accuracy and timing on deep balls. As I mentioned, very nice long toss to DHB, but besides that nearly every other deep ball has been underthrown or thrown out of bounds.
As you pointed out, we can expect that Campbell and the Raids will be facing plenty of defenses stacked to stop the run. Hopefully he’ll be able to exploit them as you think he will.
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I’d love to talk football with you cuz you know the game well but come on with the JaJason crap old friend…i’ll drop the nonsense when you do and we can Raider on
September 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am
So when do you plan on removing the Ja..?
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When results warrant them. Won’t just be based on whether the Raids win or lose either. It’s possible JaJason might play well and the Raids still come up short.
On the other hand, the Raids might win despite Campbell being mediocre to poor.
We’ll find out soon enough.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Based on JCAMPBELLS progeression this year i hope teams do stack the box…We have the players to lit any D up…
September 9th, 2011 at 9:35 am
How come it seems like these guys ask the same questions over and over again??
How come nobody is pressing Huey and Chuck B about the freakin DEFENSE??
Chuck B and the DEFENSE are the ones who are going to make or break this team this year!
September 9th, 2011 at 9:36 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:32 am
So when do you plan on removing the Ja..?
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When results warrant them. Won’t just be based on whether the Raids win or lose either. It’s possible JaJason might play well and the Raids still come up short.
On the other hand, the Raids might win despite Campbell being mediocre to poor.
We’ll find out soon enough.
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Thats fair…
September 9th, 2011 at 9:39 am
There were two times his audibles stunk. One resulted in a delat of game. Another resulted in the Raids running diectly into a run blitz. Still showing a propensity of burning time outs unnecessarily.
Another was his lack of awareness and getting passes batted down.
Still looks like he’s got two left feet when he’s got to move outside the pocket or slide.
But most disturbing is the complete lack of accuracy and timing on deep balls. As I mentioned, very nice long toss to DHB, but besides that nearly every other deep ball has been underthrown or thrown out of bounds.
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Good points by the way…With film study and concentration on the field these can be corrected.
I agree he has to be able to hit the open deep guy…
Should not be under throwing his WR. the timing thing they should have that on lock right now…
September 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Next time Cork has a chat I need to ask him why it’s always reporters from other localities that are breaking Raider news.
Good example was yesterday. TBC is in for a workout, and who do we get the news from ? Aaron Miller at Raven’s beat ? Why isn’t Cork first with this info ?
I can accept Cork and JMac not pressing too hard about injuries (eg. DHB’s ‘toothache’, Murphy, Mitch) since the Raids don’t want the players talking about injuries. But personnel moves ? C’mon Steve. Sick of getting Raider scoops from Schefter and Miller and the like.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
I agree he has to be able to hit the open deep guy…
Should not be under throwing his WR. the timing thing they should have that on lock right now…
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Not to be a JC apologist. He’s never shown consistency on his deep throws. We’ll never know, but I think the lockout, shortened training camp hurt his chances to gain that chemistry. Then again, I don’t ever think he can fire into a tight window at will like a P. Rivers can.
September 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Thec you are such a bootlicker
September 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am
I was watching the replay of the Denver beatdown … on one of DMac’s touchdown runs (the one where he stretches for the goal line at the last), Satele is the lead blocker — and he just runs downfield and doesn’t hit anything — he skips around the defenders like a little girl! I certainly hope we see a tougher Samson this year!
September 9th, 2011 at 9:53 am
352.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am
I was watching the replay of the Denver beatdown … on one of DMac’s touchdown runs (the one where he stretches for the goal line at the last), Satele is the lead blocker — and he just runs downfield and doesn’t hit anything — he skips around the defenders like a little girl! I certainly hope we see a tougher Samson this year!
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WE have to have Samson tougher for sure….He didnt look bad in preseason so we shall see
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Not to be a JC apologist. He’s never shown consistency on his deep throws. We’ll never know, but I think the lockout, shortened training camp hurt his chances to gain that chemistry. Then again, I don’t ever think he can fire into a tight window at will like a P. Rivers can.
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rivers is a good Qb however, I have watched most if not all of his games and his big fast WR’s bail him out every time…I include gates in that as well…Funny how you get them in third and longs and who winds up making the catch…Gates…
I am not impressed with his deep ball, a lot of times i just seen him hurl it out of desperation and his big WR’s can go up and get it….
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hey Method to your Dumbness, I bet ur wonderlic score would be around a 7, LOL. Lame@ss, just another dummy talking tough on a blog, ur just a nerd that just repeats quotes, u can’t even talk in depth football, ur all bark, no bite, ain’t nobody scared of ur @ss
September 9th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Thec you are such a bootlicker
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sorry, i am a Raider…
September 9th, 2011 at 9:57 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Next time Cork has a chat I need to ask him why it’s always reporters from other localities that are breaking Raider news.
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Agreed…the only thing good i have seen him post was his score the Raiders beating denver…
September 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q4royOLtvmQ
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Yeah, baby!
September 9th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Then again, I don’t ever think he can fire into a tight window at will like a P. Rivers can.
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How many QBs can carry a team or throw perfect passes outside ofthe top 6 guys inthe league?
September 9th, 2011 at 9:59 am
RAIDERMAN99, no prediction on the monday night game?
September 9th, 2011 at 10:00 am
While its true that Rivers has an army of 6′5″ clone wideouts who can go up for the ball, Rivers does throw a very nice deep ball. He’d be the only guy to light up Nnamdi with deep throws to Jackson.
The difference is he trusts his receivers to make a play. They go up and bail him out, make him look like a stud. We need that kind of ‘my ball’ mentality from the wideouts. But JCamp needs to chuck that ball into tight windows, and if he gets an occasional INT, we can live with it.
If he doesn’t start trying to go downfield more often, the defense will creep more and more and chuck the hell out our wideouts. We need to go downfield a lot and even take some wild shots. This keeps the D honest.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:00 am
355.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hey Method to your Dumbness, I bet ur wonderlic score would be around a 7, LOL. Lame@ss, just another dummy talking tough on a blog, ur just a nerd that just repeats quotes, u can’t even talk in depth football, ur all bark, no bite, ain’t nobody scared of ur @ss
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You jcat many on this blog would disagree with that notion…I always go in depth…….but hey I’ll bite sept 25th at the game Pipe Taker….come on by and I’d show you a Wonderlic
September 9th, 2011 at 10:01 am
355.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hey Method to your Dumbness, I bet ur wonderlic score would be around a 7, LOL. Lame@ss, just another dummy talking tough on a blog, ur just a nerd that just repeats quotes, u can’t even talk in depth football, ur all bark, no bite, ain’t nobody scared of ur @ss
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Repeat quotes? you make zero sense newbie…..go to a different blog…the niners can use a pansy like yourself
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
The difference is he trusts his receivers to make a play. They go up and bail him out, make him look like a stud. We need that kind of ‘my ball’ mentality from the wideouts. But JCamp needs to chuck that ball into tight windows, and if he gets an occasional INT, we can live with it.
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I will disagree with you on his de p ball, I will admit it has gotten better however, what I saw in JCampbell in presason was he took some chances instead of checking down playing it safe. He does trust hiw WR’s and it showed…My only hope is that he continues to improve…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
355.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hey Method to your Dumbness, I bet ur wonderlic score would be around a 7, LOL. Lame@ss, just another dummy talking tough on a blog, ur just a nerd that just repeats quotes, u can’t even talk in depth football, ur all bark, no bite, ain’t nobody scared of ur @ss
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“Crabtree spends his idle time chatting up a Raider blog”
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
364.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
The difference is he trusts his receivers to make a play. They go up and bail him out, make him look like a stud. We need that kind of ‘my ball’ mentality from the wideouts. But JCamp needs to chuck that ball into tight windows, and if he gets an occasional INT, we can live with it.
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I will disagree with you on his de p ball, I will admit it has gotten better however, what I saw in JCampbell in presason was he took some chances instead of checking down playing it safe. He does trust hiw WR’s and it showed…My only hope is that he continues to improve…
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He doesnt trust DHB fully
September 9th, 2011 at 10:05 am
365.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:04 am
355.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hey Method to your Dumbness, I bet ur wonderlic score would be around a 7, LOL. Lame@ss, just another dummy talking tough on a blog, ur just a nerd that just repeats quotes, u can’t even talk in depth football, ur all bark, no bite, ain’t nobody scared of ur @ss
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“Crabtree spends his idle time chatting up a Raider blog”
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HAHAHAHAHA
September 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
He doesnt trust DHB fully
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In DHB We Trust … that he will drop a few more balls this year.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
He doesnt trust DHB fully
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I am not sure about that…DHB has been getting targeted quite a bit, and i dont buy the “Mr. Davis is forcing him” bit..
A PI, or a catch I will take it…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:07 am
DHB will be a productive member of the Wr corp for the NATION…I have zero doubt…He wil break out this year…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am
LOL Hey method to ur Dumbness, just like I said, u can’t talk intelectually, just another punk making threats to try and intimidate, wannabe bully’s are the real cowards, nothing u say has any substance, I’ve read ur posts, u and jemarcus would get along well, 2 bafoons LOL
September 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am
368.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:06 am
He doesnt trust DHB fully
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In DHB We Trust … that he will drop a few more balls this year.
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Steak man…..u killin lol
September 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
DHB will be in the rotation and contribute no doubt however, the startes should be DMOORE and JFORD…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
371.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:08 am
LOL Hey method to ur Dumbness, just like I said, u can’t talk intelectually, just another punk making threats to try and intimidate, wannabe bully’s are the real cowards, nothing u say has any substance, I’ve read ur posts, u and jemarcus would get along well, 2 bafoons LOL
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Yawn if this were a place for intellectual discussion I’d certaintly go in that mode….funny is you talk intellect and cant spell worth a damn…..hilarious mental midget at work I see lmao.
Please spare me with that no substance garbage even those who dont like me admit I know about football and drop gems in here….now you are just talking BS….typical Pipe Taker
September 9th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Which on of denvers aging cb’s get the pleasure of running around chasing JFORD on monday
goodman, or bailey…Both are 33, and neither can see JFORD…thats even after they roll coverage…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Dropping gems? U drop nothing but terds, ur full of it, I luv calling out cowards, u see their true colors really start to come out
September 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Annual donkey getting it from a Raider Dog:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OHa71AFBGoE
September 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Schilens usually lines up on the right side, so Champ will be all over him.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:15 am
352.raidertbone Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 9:51 am
I was watching the replay of the Denver beatdown … on one of DMac’s touchdown runs (the one where he stretches for the goal line at the last), Satele is the lead blocker — and he just runs downfield and doesn’t hit anything — he skips around the defenders like a little girl! I certainly hope we see a tougher Samson this year!
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Yeah, that bothered me too. Almost like he quit on the play and just assumed the play was already over or something lol. McFadden had to lay that guy out to get into the end zone.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:16 am
373.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
DHB will be in the rotation and contribute no doubt however, the startes should be DMOORE and JFORD…
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Well dhb needs to contribute
September 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Couple of comments regarding last night’s game…
I was amazed by every commentator that I heard on ESPN and NFLN agree with the PI call on Hawk vs. Sproles that extended the game.
IMO, that was NOT pass interference. Looked to me that Hawk never even touched Sproles until after he had batted the ball down. Even if he did have contact, it was incidental, and in no way inhibited Sprole’s body movement or ability to reach for the ball. Looked like a very well timed, clean break up to me.
Finally, Al Micheals is the biggest douchebag and least knowledgable announcer the national TV audience has ever been forced to endure.
The moron knows NOTHING about football as evidenced about him babbling about the touchback on the punt preceding N.O.’s final drive. Micheals was clueless that the defender’s knee being down before his foot went in the EZ while he was still in contact with the ball was irrelevant. Saints had run 5 plays and were down to the GB 10 yardline and the azzclown was still trying to talk his way out of his touchback boner citing a ‘continuation’ play. His sidekick Chris was just as lost.
Let’s not forget Michael’s comment made during the Saint pre-season game when he stated Janikowski was a ‘perrenial pro-bowler’ in Hawaii, when in fact he’s NEVER been there.
Anyone know who the announcers are for the Raid MNF game ?
September 9th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Well dhb needs to contribute
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Yep,
He can fetch those ice cold gatorade squeezy bottles on the sideline waiting for the offense to come off the field. He should put on a cheerleading outfit while he’s at it.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:22 am
373.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:10 am
DHB will be in the rotation and contribute no doubt however, the starters should be DMOORE and JFORD…
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Announcer: “Seems like the helmet radios are out.”
Jackson: “Bring in this play to Captain Campbell.”
Campbell: “DHB, return to sideline to get next play”
I hope that is the extent of DHB contribution.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:24 am
God Monday night can not get here faster ME NEED RAIDER FOOTBALL…. I’m gonna kill something
September 9th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Jackson: ” DHB, when you come back to the sideline, grimace, hold your hammy and look up at AD”
September 9th, 2011 at 10:27 am
I was watching some footage of games last year and noticed that mm34 helped a lot on some of our 3rd down run stuffing that might hurt us this year if we don’t get him back hope I’m wrong
September 9th, 2011 at 10:29 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Jackson: ” DHB, when you come back to the sideline, grimace, hold your hammy and look up at AD”
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“oh, and try to look pathetic when you look up at Al, you’re good at that lost puppy dog look anyway.”
September 9th, 2011 at 10:30 am
RAIDERMAN99, no prediction on the monday night game?
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I’m thinking it’s gonna be 27-20. Raids win.
Can’t see Dumerville and Miller making enough of a differnce to stop the Raider offense. Those guys present protection problems but don’t figure to have much of an impact in stopping the ground game. Raids should have their way. Don’t think it’ll be quite the azzkicking we delivered last year, but it should be comfortable.
Should add that in addition to Dumerville and Miller the Mules had some cats in their secondary that were really hitting in the pre-season game I saw against Buffalo. Also, Fitzpatrick is going to be a pain in the rear the following week. He can sling the rock.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:31 am
I’d take the QB with high football IQ and adequate arm to the “cannon arm” QB. They normally make it better, and actually have an adequate arm.
Most GMs were saying to take Leaf over Manning because “he could make all the NFL Throws”.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am
You know what’s sad is keeping DHB on the roster is bad enough, let alone starting him. I bet if we waived him, he’d go unclaimed by every NFL team, even Carolina.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am
You don’t need a “Culpepper”, “Ryan Leaf”, “Purple Drank” or any of the QBs that can throw the whole field while sitting on their ass.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:33 am
But, looking at our 1st round draft history, I’d say we should trade our 1st round pick each year for a quality vet player or more picks in the later rounds when we tend to get better.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:35 am
guest123 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:32 am
You know what’s sad is keeping DHB on the roster is bad enough, let alone starting him. I bet if we waived him, he’d go unclaimed by every NFL team, even Carolina.
No way. Lotta teams would put a claim on DHB
September 9th, 2011 at 10:37 am
381.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Couple of comments regarding last night’s game…
I was amazed by every commentator that I heard on ESPN and NFLN agree with the PI call on Hawk vs. Sproles that extended the game.
IMO, that was NOT pass interference. Looked to me that Hawk never even touched Sproles until after he had batted the ball down. Even if he did have contact, it was incidental, and in no way inhibited Sprole’s body movement or ability to reach for the ball. Looked like a very well timed, clean break up to me.
Finally, Al Micheals is the biggest douchebag and least knowledgable announcer the national TV audience has ever been forced to endure.
The moron knows NOTHING about football as evidenced about him babbling about the touchback on the punt preceding N.O.’s final drive. Micheals was clueless that the defender’s knee being down before his foot went in the EZ while he was still in contact with the ball was irrelevant. Saints had run 5 plays and were down to the GB 10 yardline and the azzclown was still trying to talk his way out of his touchback boner citing a ‘continuation’ play. His sidekick Chris was just as lost.
Let’s not forget Michael’s comment made during the Saint pre-season game when he stated Janikowski was a ‘perrenial pro-bowler’ in Hawaii, when in fact he’s NEVER been there.
Anyone know who the announcers are for the Raid MNF game ?
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Al Michaels clueless? Who knew?
September 9th, 2011 at 10:38 am
376.Pipe layer Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Dropping gems? U drop nothing but terds, ur full of it, I luv calling out cowards, u see their true colors really start to come out
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Yeah you must be speaking on yourself lol….notice no response for sept 25th
September 9th, 2011 at 10:39 am
and Pipe Taker…I already called you out last night for being a coward…..find your own angle buddy….stop bitin’
September 9th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Raiderzmaverick
Nice score last night.
Also good job picking Starks over Ryan Grant!
September 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
DHB (our 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks the following years turned out more productive so far)
McFadden (actually looking like a good pick)
Jamarcus (enough said)
Michael Huff (average player)
Fabian Washington (average player)
Robert Gallery (big failure for a #2 pick, but turned into a solid mid-to-upper range guard)
Namdi – struck gold, even if it took 3 years for him to develop.
Taylor Breyton – backup material at best
Phillip Bucannanon – average player
Napolean Harris – average player
Derrick Gibson – Probably not even in league any more
Sebastian Janokowski – finally this year showing promise, but no kicker ever picked before 4th round.
Matt Stinchcolm – never developed into starter
Mo Collins – never developed into a stable starter
Charles Woodson – ProBowler player. Struck gold.
Darrell Russel -
Rickey Dudley
September 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Thanks 666
But…your QB has yet to play, and it looks like they can put up millions of points per hour…
you’re not out of the race yet!
September 9th, 2011 at 10:44 am
398.raiderzmaverick Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
DHB (our 3rd, 4th and 5th round picks the following years turned out more productive so far)
McFadden (actually looking like a good pick)
Jamarcus (enough said)
Michael Huff (average player)
Fabian Washington (average player)
Robert Gallery (big failure for a #2 pick, but turned into a solid mid-to-upper range guard)
Namdi – struck gold, even if it took 3 years for him to develop.
Taylor Breyton – backup material at best
Phillip Bucannanon – average player
Napolean Harris – average player
Derrick Gibson – Probably not even in league any more
Sebastian Janokowski – finally this year showing promise, but no kicker ever picked before 4th round.
Matt Stinchcolm – never developed into starter
Mo Collins – never developed into a stable starter
Charles Woodson – ProBowler player. Struck gold.
Darrell Russel -
Rickey Dudley
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Facts
September 9th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Raiderzmaverick Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Sebastian Janokowski – finally this year showing promise, but no kicker ever picked before 4th round.
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Actually, several kickers have been picked in the first and second rounds. Admittedly, it’s a once-or-twice-a-decade kind of thing but it DOES happen.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Really? I missed it. Can you enlighten me on the other kickers picked in the 1st round? At least since 1985 when I was old enough to remember following the draft… (i’m kinda a youngin’)
September 9th, 2011 at 10:49 am
DHB – “That’s the fastest guy, runs the second leg. I’m a track guy, I know.”
Too bad they don’t argue about who has the best hands on the team. If this was a track team, DHB might have a credible spot someplace, but it’s a football team and we need football players…not track guys.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Oh, sorry…RaiderDuck you’re right.
One other kicker in the 1st round in 1966.
But there were also 3 punters with the latest being 1979. Crap, looks like my football knowledge only extends the last couple decades.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Too bad they don’t argue about who has the best hands on the team
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LMAO
September 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
You guys remember that cornhole that used to attend Mule games at mile high wearing nothing but a barrel back in the ‘orange crush’ days ? Always wanted to take an axe to that barrel to see how thick it was.
That POS still kicking ?
September 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
“you’re not out of the race yet!”
Yeah I know but I did take a chance on Ryan Grant thinking he would get the bulk of carries.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Too bad they don’t argue about who has the best hands on the team. If this was a track team, DHB might have a credible spot someplace, but it’s a football team and we need football players…not track guys.
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too bad the pre-draft measurables for WR’s don’t include hand size. DHB has tiny hands compared to stud wideouts. They could have got Nicks with his size 4XL mitts. Hand size should be thrown into the mix along with height, weight, speed.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:53 am
406.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
You guys remember that cornhole that used to attend Mule games at mile high wearing nothing but a barrel back in the ‘orange crush’ days ? Always wanted to take an axe to that barrel to see how thick it was.
That POS still kicking ?
I remember that dude, or whatever it was. That would have been funny to see an axe go through that barrell!
September 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Ray Guy was drafted in the first round.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Bought my 99 Houston jersey last night, hoping it arrives in time for the Buffalo game.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Heeeeyyy! Monte finally realizing what I have been saying for the past 5 years! Your behind Poole!
I should take your job!
http://www.insidebayarea.com/monte-poole/ci_18856934
September 9th, 2011 at 10:55 am
It usually takes about 2 weeks, right? Unless you 3 day shipped it…
September 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am
406.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
You guys remember that cornhole that used to attend Mule games at mile high wearing nothing but a barrel back in the ‘orange crush’ days ? Always wanted to take an axe to that barrel to see how thick it was.
That POS still kicking ?
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He died a few years ago I believe
September 9th, 2011 at 10:56 am
406.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:51 am
You guys remember that cornhole that used to attend Mule games at mile high wearing nothing but a barrel back in the ‘orange crush’ days ? Always wanted to take an axe to that barrel to see how thick it was.
That POS still kicking ?
I remember that dude, or whatever it was. That would have been funny to see an axe go through that barrell!
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McKernan died on December 5, 2009 of respiratory failure caused by idiopathic pulmonary fibrosis.
September 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am
408.guest123 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Too bad they don’t argue about who has the best hands on the team. If this was a track team, DHB might have a credible spot someplace, but it’s a football team and we need football players…not track guys.
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too bad the pre-draft measurables for WR’s don’t include hand size. DHB has tiny hands compared to stud wideouts. They could have got Nicks with his size 4XL mitts. Hand size should be thrown into the mix along with height, weight, speed.
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I agree!
Route running ability needs to measured more than straight line speed also.
Many teams got suckered by the BS smokescreens that was going around Nicks after the combine. “Oh, he is overweight,oh, he is slow….oh…he has bad work ethic”
All BS and I knew it!
If the old man didn’t want Craptree or Maclin than he should have taken Harvin or Nicks ahead of DHB!
Period…end of story! Taking DHB was a bad draft pick, until proven otherwise!
September 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Derek Hagan admits that “no one knows” how the Raiders’ depth chart will shake out at wide receiver.
Hagan isn’t even listed on this week’s depth chart because coach Hue Jackson got tired and forgot to put him in. During the portion of Thursday’s practice open to the media, Hagan and Jacoby Ford worked with the first-team offense while Denarius Moore and Chaz Schilens handled second-team work. For fantasy purposes, Ford is the only Oakland receiver trustworthy enough to be in starting lineups right now.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews.asp?sport=NFL&id=3649&line=212184&spln=1
September 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
It doesn’t surprise me that Hagan’s not on the depth chart. Even though he’s probably the best receiver on the team, he doesn’t fit into Al Davis’s system.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Raiderzmaverick Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Really? I missed it. Can you enlighten me on the other kickers picked in the 1st round? At least since 1985 when I was old enough to remember following the draft… (i’m kinda a youngin’)
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Since 1985, it’s just been Janikowski in the first and Mike Nugent (Jets 2005), Jason Hansen (Lions 1992), Chip Lohmiller (Redskins 1988), and John Lee (Cards 1986) in the second.
In 1984, the Redskins picked USFL kicker Tony Zendejas in first round of the Supplemental.
In 1979, the Saints picked Russel Erxleben in the first round.
In 1978, the Cards did the same with Steve Little.
In 1975, of course, our own Ray Guy went in the first (still the only punter to do so).
1966, the Redskins picked Charlie Gogolak in with the SIXTH PICK in Round 1.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am
More kicker info here:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/K-1980-now.htm
September 9th, 2011 at 11:05 am
And here:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/draft/K-1960-1979.htm
September 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Derek Hagan admits that “no one knows” how the Raiders’ depth chart will shake out at wide receiver.
Hagan isn’t even listed on this week’s depth chart because coach Hue Jackson got tired and forgot to put him in. During the portion of Thursday’s practice open to the media, Hagan and Jacoby Ford worked with the first-team offense while Denarius Moore and Chaz Schilens handled second-team work. For fantasy purposes, Ford is the only Oakland receiver trustworthy enough to be in starting lineups right now.
http://www.rotoworld.com/content/playerpages/playerbreakingnews
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Well I am starting Denarius this weekend in my week #1 matchup. How u like dem apples rotoworld?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:06 am
418.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:04 am
It doesn’t surprise me that Hagan’s not on the depth chart. Even though he’s probably the best receiver on the team, he doesn’t fit into Al Davis’s system.
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Why is he on the team then?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Brien, same reason Marcus Allen was still on the team between the time he and Al first started clashing and the time he left.
Al doesn’t necessarily cut players that don’t fit into his system. I’ve heard that in some cases he likes to get maximum value for them if he knows other teams want them. I’ve also heard that in Allen’s case, he kept him just to punish him and let him rot on the bench, hurting his career.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Al Davis is a speed bigot. If you don’t run 4.4 or less, you aren’t one of his guys. Doesn’t matter if you make dazzling catches in crowds and make plays.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
413.hwnrdr Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:55 am
It usually takes about 2 weeks, right? Unless you 3 day shipped it…
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It said I should receive it sometime between the 15th and the 21st. They didnt have an expedited shipping option available strangely enough. Hoping to get it on the earlier side of that.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
424.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Brien, same reason Marcus Allen was still on the team between the time he and Al first started clashing and the time he left.
Al doesn’t necessarily cut players that don’t fit into his system. I’ve heard that in some cases he likes to get maximum value for them if he knows other teams want them. I’ve also heard that in Allen’s case, he kept him just to punish him and let him rot on the bench, hurting his career.
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That doesnt make sense MR…..Hagan and Al have some beef with one another like Mucus and Al did?
You act like Hagan was a former pro bowl and mvp type player
September 9th, 2011 at 11:11 am
425.guest123 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Al Davis is a speed bigot. If you don’t run 4.4 or less, you aren’t one of his guys. Doesn’t matter if you make dazzling catches in crowds and make plays.
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I agree cuz Freddie B was a speed demon that Al never liked
September 9th, 2011 at 11:12 am
The other 1st rd kickers
Russell Erzleben 1979 New Orleans
Charles Gogolak 1966 Washington
Ray Guy 1973 Oakland
September 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Since it’s unlikely Hagan has done anything to piss Al off at this point, it’s more likely Al’s looking to use Hagan’s impressive highlights this preseason as trade value. But Al can’t use him for his system. Al likes sideline burners. He’s really not interested in strong receivers that can catch balls in traffic, and even turn yards after the catch. He has his idea of what kind of receivers it takes to win, and Hagan does fit it. Is what it is. In my opinion, it’s just one of the many reasons the Raiders haven’t had a winning season in almost a decade.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Brien, I just mentioned some of the instances where Al has kept players that he didn’t want in the past. I did not say at any point that the reason Al was keeping Hagan was for the same reasons he kept Marcus. I was merely pointing out to you that Al has in the past kept players without any intention of playing them. I believe in Hagan’s case, Al sees trade value.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Brien, compared to our other receivers, Hagan does look like a pro bowler and an MVP.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
430.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Since it’s unlikely Hagan has done anything to piss Al off at this point, it’s more likely Al’s looking to use Hagan’s impressive highlights this preseason as trade value. But Al can’t use him for his system. Al likes sideline burners. He’s really not interested in strong receivers that can catch balls in traffic, and even turn yards after the catch. He has his idea of what kind of receivers it takes to win, and Hagan does fit it. Is what it is. In my opinion, it’s just one of the many reasons the Raiders haven’t had a winning season in almost a decade.
431.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Brien, I just mentioned some of the instances where Al has kept players that he didn’t want in the past. I did not say at any point that the reason Al was keeping Hagan was for the same reasons he kept Marcus. I was merely pointing out to you that Al has in the past kept players without any intention of playing them. I believe in Hagan’s case, Al sees trade value.
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MR my friend…………I think you are reaching a bit….now we agree on Hagan being our best poss WR for sure
Trade value for Hagan? You have to be joking here…who is gonna trade for him?
Our last winning years we sure had speed burners all over lol
September 9th, 2011 at 11:18 am
You see the Packer OLT Clifton screw with the officials last night and get away with it ?
He’s lined up in his stance and doesn’t flinch or move his legs or torso whatsoever. But while he’s basically completely stationary, he’s moving his right hand – kind of in a ‘come on, bring it’ motion at the RDE opposite him. DE jumps, Clifton come out of his stance and points at him – and Saints penalized 5 yards.
Guarantee you that won’t fly for long. Memo probably being sent out to every official right now to watch for that move.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
It doesn’t surprise me that Hagan’s not on the depth chart. Even though he’s probably the best receiver on the team, he doesn’t fit into Al Davis’s system.
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Why is he on the team then?
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You don’t think that this isn’t the paranoid/tricky Raiders? Could Hagen actually be the starter, and the Raiders think they are going to trick the Broncos by not even listing him on the depth chart? Not like it ever works…
Isn’t a better story that we have starting receivers that were picked in Murphy (4th), Schilens (7th), Ford (4th), Moore (5th) and Hagan (free agenct from heap)? I would think that makes Al Davis look like a better GM than trying to make DHB a all-star…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
—”Derek Hagan admits that “no one knows” how the Raiders’ depth chart will shake out at wide receiver. Hagan isn’t even listed on this week’s depth chart because coach Hue Jackson got tired and forgot to put him in. During the portion of Thursday’s practice open to the media, Hagan and Jacoby Ford worked with the first-team offense while Denarius Moore and Chaz Schilens handled second-team work. For fantasy purposes, Ford is the only Oakland receiver trustworthy enough to be in starting lineups right now”—
Bwahahhahaha GOT TIRED!! FORGOT!! and he is our savior??? Cable didnt get tired, even Shell didnt. Cable just punched a guy and he was fresh!
its been a week and each report says the raiders doesnt know who the starters will be, translation, Hue wants group A and Al wants group B… LOL and people here say Post-season and top5 offense?!?!?! LOL
September 9th, 2011 at 11:20 am
432.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Brien, compared to our other receivers, Hagan does look like a pro bowler and an MVP.
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Ford and Moore arent scrubs….come on man
September 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Brien, our last winning season was in 2002. Jerry Rice was our top receiver. While he’s fast, was he really the sideline burner that Al Davis likes? Rice was the king of the slant, and worked mostly as a possession receiver that got his yards after the catch when he was with us. Tim Brown was our second best receiver in ‘02. Not much of a deep threat there either. Jerry Porter…don’t recall him being a sideline burner. More of a strength, in traffic guy.
James Jett I believe was our last true Al Davis type receiver we had on a winning team, and he was hardly ever used.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:23 am
438.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Brien, our last winning season was in 2002. Jerry Rice was our top receiver. While he’s fast, was he really the sideline burner that Al Davis likes? Rice was the king of the slant, and worked mostly as a possession receiver that got his yards after the catch when he was with us. Tim Brown was our second best receiver in ‘02. Not much of a deep threat there either. Jerry Porter…don’t recall him being a sideline burner. More of a strength, in traffic guy.
James Jett I believe was our last true Al Davis type receiver we had on a winning team, and he was hardly ever used.
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You obviously missed the sarcasm about speed burners all over the field last time we were winning lol
September 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Rice fast? Stop MR he wasnt…no that wasnt our best WR…it was Tim Brown
September 9th, 2011 at 11:24 am
That’s because I’ve never seen you be sarcastic, Brien. Got ya, though.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Brien, 2002:
Jerry Rice – 92 rec. 1211 yards
Tim Brown – 81 rec. 930 yards
September 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
See brien you’re a liar! you lied brien! You’re a liar, a liar!! you lied!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Everyone knows that first year head coaches get leeway with Al Davis as long as they succeed and that’s especially true on offense. Why then would some of you assume that Hue can’t start who he wants at WR?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
See brien you’re a liar! you lied brien! You’re a liar, a liar!! you lied!!!
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So says the wanna be cousin humper.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Hagan our best WR is laughable….
I do like him, hope he can contribute however, he does have a penchant for getting injured…Lok at his history….
He has missed practice time this week due to what???
Question is can he contribute day in and day out, and not just pre season…
JFORD & DMOORE > Hagan…
Without question…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
James Jett…ahhh…that was a track team before Timmy hurt his knees…
Brown, Jet, and Ismail…
Now we have DHB, Ford, Moore, along with DMAC, Branch, and DVD! Oh and after week 5, Pryor!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
442.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Brien, 2002:
Jerry Rice – 92 rec. 1211 yards
Tim Brown – 81 rec. 930 yards
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Fairy Rice is a bz….and timmy was getting all the double teams as usual….no 49er will ever be better than Timmy
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
It’s obvious the WR depth chart should look like this Week 1 and beyond, unless proven otherwise:
1.Ford
2.Hagan
3.Moore
4.Chaz (if healthy)
5.DHB
Then again. Old Man Al doesn’t want to get butt hurt and embarrassed again with that depth chart cause DHB is #5. When Murphy comes back he would be #6.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:32 am
And MR….that sunday night game vs pats that year when timmy was beating Ty Law and Rice couldnt lol showed exactly what I mean
September 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am
432.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Brien, compared to our other receivers, Hagan does look like a pro bowler and an MVP.
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Based on what stats?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:33 am
And we paid dearly for forcing the ball to Rice…..SB 37….justice….thank god!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
James Jett…ahhh…that was a track team before Timmy hurt his knees…
Brown, Jet, and Ismail…
Now we have DHB, Ford, Moore, along with DMAC, Branch, and DVD! Oh and after week 5, Pryor!
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It’s too bad we don’t have any track meets on our schedule this year.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
381.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Couple of comments regarding last night’s game…
I was amazed by every commentator that I heard on ESPN and NFLN agree with the PI call on Hawk vs. Sproles that extended the game.
IMO, that was NOT pass interference. Looked to me that Hawk never even touched Sproles until after he had batted the ball down. Even if he did have contact, it was incidental, and in no way inhibited Sprole’s body movement or ability to reach for the ball. Looked like a very well timed, clean break up to me.
Finally, Al Micheals is the biggest douchebag and least knowledgable announcer the national TV audience has ever been forced to endure.
The moron knows NOTHING about football as evidenced about him babbling about the touchback on the punt preceding N.O.’s final drive. Micheals was clueless that the defender’s knee being down before his foot went in the EZ while he was still in contact with the ball was irrelevant. Saints had run 5 plays and were down to the GB 10 yardline and the azzclown was still trying to talk his way out of his touchback boner citing a ‘continuation’ play. His sidekick Chris was just as lost.
Let’s not forget Michael’s comment made during the Saint pre-season game when he stated Janikowski was a ‘perrenial pro-bowler’ in Hawaii, when in fact he’s NEVER been there.
Anyone know who the announcers are for the Raid MNF game ?
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Agreed!
Al Michaels is old and completely OVERRATED as a football play by play guy.
This has been evident for quite sometime!
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
It’s obvious the WR depth chart should look like this Week 1 and beyond, unless proven otherwise:
1.Ford
2.Hagan
3.Moore
4.Chaz (if healthy)
5.DHB
Then again. Old Man Al doesn’t want to get butt hurt and embarrassed again with that depth chart cause DHB is #5. When Murphy comes back he would be #6.
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I would flip HAGAN, AND DMOORE…
1a. JFORD
1b. DMOORE
2. Hagan
September 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am
At least someone is picking the Raiders:
Pete Prisco
Raiders 30, Broncos 23
The Raiders swept the AFC West last year, and they are better. The Broncos are not. The Raiders will try to run the ball at a Denver defense that isn’t strong up the middle. Denver had problems running it last year. If that happens again, it will be a tough night for Kyle Orton. Keep an eye out for the Raiders young pass rushers in this one. The Raiders have won three consecutive road games against the Broncos. They make it four.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:35 am
severeraiderz Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Everyone knows that first year head coaches get leeway with Al Davis as long as they succeed and that’s especially true on offense.
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No, I don’t “know” that. And how would you know it?
September 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
It is a big game. Raiders think they have a tatical advantage if they do not list the receivers:
Jackson refused to say who his starting wide receivers are going to be, whether Nick Miller is going to return punts or anything else along those lines.
“No, I’m not going to do that,” Jackson said. “I don’t have to do that yet.”
September 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
432.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Brien, compared to our other receivers, Hagan does look like a pro bowler and an MVP.
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cockran, when are you guys going to start the dumbest comment section…The above would clearly qualify…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:36 am
453.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
James Jett…ahhh…that was a track team before Timmy hurt his knees…
Brown, Jet, and Ismail…
Now we have DHB, Ford, Moore, along with DMAC, Branch, and DVD! Oh and after week 5, Pryor!
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It’s too bad we don’t have any track meets on our schedule this year.
True, although based on DHB’s comments…there may just be one…lol
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
And even though it’s quite common for owners to play a role in drafting, rarely does an owner draft a player ENTIRELY AGAINST the wishes of his head coach, like when Al drafted Russell against Kiffin’s wishes. This alone makes the claim that Al lets his coaches coach in their first year just laughable.
Also, do you mean to tell me that Gruden started Jeff George on his own? Again. Laughable.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Everyone knows that first year head coaches get leeway with Al Davis as long as they succeed and that’s especially true on offense.
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No, I don’t “know” that. And how would you know it?
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Oh, well it is reported on this blog by Jerry numerous times. “Honeymoon” stage sound familar? Considering your are here 24/7, I cannot imagine that you have not heard this.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Hue should start Chaz and Moore with Ford on 3 wr sets. After winning our first 2 games Al can’t say sh##
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ford and Moore are LOCKS for snaps.
DHB/Hagan/Chaz will fight for the scraps.
I think DHB will get the first “chance” to do something and his subsequent snaps will depend on what he does with his early opportunities.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
DutchRaider, point to one blog entry where Jerry McDonald states as FACT that Al Davis definitely allows his head coaches to coach the team, without any interference from Al, in their first year.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:42 am
John Fox assumes Hue will try to get DHB touches early to build his confidence. Let’s hope Hue fools him
September 9th, 2011 at 11:43 am
453.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
James Jett…ahhh…that was a track team before Timmy hurt his knees…
Brown, Jet, and Ismail…
Now we have DHB, Ford, Moore, along with DMAC, Branch, and DVD! Oh and after week 5, Pryor!
……….
It’s too bad we don’t have any track meets on our schedule this year.
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now thats funny
September 9th, 2011 at 11:44 am
464.J Hill Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ford and Moore are LOCKS for snaps.
DHB/Hagan/Chaz will fight for the scraps.
I think DHB will get the first “chance” to do something and his subsequent snaps will depend on what he does with his early opportunities.
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Hagan and Moore should start with Ford as 3rd wr
September 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Oh my gawd this day is going so SLLLLLOOOOOOOWWWWWWWW.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:45 am
We need to run, run, run. Pound the rock down those donkey b1tch throats.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am
J Hill Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ford and Moore are LOCKS for snaps.
DHB/Hagan/Chaz will fight for the scraps.
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thats the way it should be…No way in hell can anyone say Hagan is better than either of these 2…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
DutchRaider, point to one blog entry where Jerry McDonald states as FACT that Al Davis definitely allows his head coaches to coach the team, without any interference from Al, in their first year.
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“Everyone knows that first year head coaches get leeway with Al Davis as long as they succeed and that’s especially true on offense.”
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Two completely different statments! But here you go:
Jackson is enjoying what Lane Kiffin referred to as the “honeymoon” period between Davis and the head coach.
Kiffin was the golden child once, bringing in a handful of assistant coaches he selected, making change, and attempting to affect change. He called Davis “Al,” and talked about how he basically could do anything he wanted at the NFL owner’s meetings.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
471.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:46 am
J Hill Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ford and Moore are LOCKS for snaps.
DHB/Hagan/Chaz will fight for the scraps.
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thats the way it should be…No way in hell can anyone say Hagan is better than either of these 2…
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I can
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
6′8″ against a 5′11″ speed rusher? Umm, yeah run the ball in that direction.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
472.DutchRaider77 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:48 am
DutchRaider, point to one blog entry where Jerry McDonald states as FACT that Al Davis definitely allows his head coaches to coach the team, without any interference from Al, in their first year.
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“Everyone knows that first year head coaches get leeway with Al Davis as long as they succeed and that’s especially true on offense.”
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Two completely different statments! But here you go:
Jackson is enjoying what Lane Kiffin referred to as the “honeymoon” period between Davis and the head coach.
Kiffin was the golden child once, bringing in a handful of assistant coaches he selected, making change, and attempting to affect change. He called Davis “Al,” and talked about how he basically could do anything he wanted at the NFL owner’s meetings.
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Dutch…its so easy aint it? lmao
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
What a game last night. Did we get a glimpse of our future in silver & black? My answer is yes.
Drew brees put on a show as did rodgers. They wer wide open passing attacks, decent defense with good db play and they can pressure the qb. maybe im missing something but isnt that the formula we want to use.
We can have the same thing building here in oakland. we will be a wide open attack only with faster weapons catching the ball and better running backs!
I know everyone will point to rodgers and brees and say “we dont have an elite qb”. I dont buy that one bit. I wont take anything away from the guys last night they are very good, but it is much more than that.
These qb’s, skill guys, and coordinators have had several years to grow into what they are now. We can have that as well if we let JC and the boys grow with hu jack for a few years uninterrupted. We have seen it time after time. Brady manning , brees, rodgers, even schaub. Guys that have had the same offense and skill guys for years and develop an elite offense.
We are on the door step and in another year or two we will be just like the other so called greats.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Out of all the Raiders WR’s we have who is the toughest to defend and scheme against????
And now we should relegate him to first man up….
You guys need to go back and look at some film…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hue’s either a bully with no ball$ or is being bullied by Al Davis if he has NMiller returning punts
September 9th, 2011 at 11:50 am
474.The NEWS Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
6′8″ against a 5′11″ speed rusher? Umm, yeah run the ball in that direction.
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Yeah Veldheer can really run block well…i say run behind him and wiz all nite
September 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Sullivan
The same way you “know” Al Davis meddles in everything
September 9th, 2011 at 11:51 am
I can
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You can however, what is it based on?
1. what is Hagans History?
2. His stats?
3. Preseason game?
4. NFL vet status?
5. Route running?
5. Ability to fight for balls?
6. Speed?
7. Reliability?
8. He is a big poessesion Wr? <—questionble
Give me something then…
September 9th, 2011 at 11:52 am
455.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:34 am
DKnight007 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:31 am
It’s obvious the WR depth chart should look like this Week 1 and beyond, unless proven otherwise:
1.Ford
2.Hagan
3.Moore
4.Chaz (if healthy)
5.DHB
Then again. Old Man Al doesn’t want to get butt hurt and embarrassed again with that depth chart cause DHB is #5. When Murphy comes back he would be #6.
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I would flip HAGAN, AND DMOORE…
1a. JFORD
1b. DMOORE
2. Hagan
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Doesn’t matter. They are all better WR’s overall than DHB is right now and all should be starting over him.
However, even if they don’t start Huey and Saunders will catch defenses off guard and cause matchup problems all over the place when he puts Ford, Hagan and Moore out there along with DMC and or Bush!
Chuck B and the DEFENSE need to step their games up or the season is going to be a loooooong season.
They need to get consistent pressure on the QB or DB’s will be toast.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Dakota Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:27 am
See brien you’re a liar! you lied brien! You’re a liar, a liar!! you lied!!!
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So says the wanna be cousin humper.
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“You’re a liar, a liar!! you lied!!!”
His cousin said the same thing when he unzipped his pants.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Trying to set the wr position is a useless exercise for us on this blog. It isnt about who starts, its about putting guys in certain situations based on what threy bring to the table. For instance suanders will find ways to use ford, much like he used az hakim, only ford is a much better player. Az didnt have to ba a starter to have a major role and impact. Hagan is a possesion guy, he will have a role, ans so on.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
474.The NEWS Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
6′8″ against a 5′11″ speed rusher? Umm, yeah run the ball in that direction.
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Agreed! Run DMC and Bush to that side….run some reverses, with Ford and Moore!
Then when they pound it to that side, use play action and pass to the other side.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:54 am
6′8″ against a 5′11″ speed rusher? Umm, yeah run the ball in that direction.
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Crazy thing is this guy player RDE in 2007 in a 4-3 and had 12.5 sacks. Not sure how? Said it before, dude must be the Zach Thomas of DEs.
September 9th, 2011 at 11:57 am
inonewordraider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hue’s either a bully with no ball$ or is being bullied by Al Davis if he has NMiller returning punts
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I don’t know why you guys are so down on Nick Miller returning punts. At least he fields the rock. Chokie Lee would let it bounce, get away from it, and then watch it roll 65 yards inside our ten. And then do that again and again.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Veldheer and Wiz, with BIG Gordon over there in a 2 TE set????
Dumberville is going to have some issues.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
@JHILL
You playing Madden? Any good Raider/Playbook plays you can recommend?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Jacoby should start. I’ll be very surprised if he doesn’t. Hue LOVES Ford. His comments about Ford being a dynamic playmaker, the best KO returner in the game, and the need to get the ball in his hands speak for themselves.
Not to mention that sweet comeback pattern catch he made up the left sideline when he STARTED against the Seahawks. There’s a clue for you. That was beautifully timed, great synchronization between Jacoby and JaJason, the route was run to perfection. Smooth as can be.
I believe JFord and CSchillens get the starting nod, for what it’s worth.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Hey y’all,
Been out for a while. But I wanted to post my season prediction, since MR asked me for one and I said I wouldn’t do it until after FA, the draft, and the final preseason game. So here it is:
9-7
September 9th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Dutch, would Davis drafting Russell against Kiffin’s wishes be part of that “honeymoon period”?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
If JFORD did not suffer the quad injury he would have won ROY hands down…
Coach Jackson like a couple of the semi’s knew what JFORD was…
What is funny is how some of the bloggers like MR want to forget how good he is…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Not to mention that sweet comeback pattern catch he made up the left sideline when he STARTED against the Seahawks.
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Exaclty…1 catch is all coach had to see…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Severe, there has been far more evidence over the years to suggest Al Davis meddles than there is to suggest he lets his first year coaches do whatever they want. I’m sure Kiffin really wanted to draft Russell. I’m sure Jon Gruden really wanted to start Jeff George.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Al still trying to figure out why he can’t watch highlight video on his overhead projector.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
dump Nick Miller … sign Donnie Avery!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Dutch, would Davis drafting Russell against Kiffin’s wishes be part of that “honeymoon period”?
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Again it is “reported” that Davis gives his new coaches more freedom. Jerry McDonald’s story and Lane Kiffen’s words…actually it was Kiffen who coined the phrease “Honeymoon.” So I guess that would be a question for Kiffen to answer, it was his honeymoon. And as I remember you were a big Russell supporter. Anytime anybody said anything bad about Russell you were there to defend Russell.
“Tom Cable told us we had it all wrong with Davis. Cable said he was the coach of the team, he hired his entire staff, and that his working relationship with Davis couldn’t be better/”
September 9th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Again it is “reported” that Davis gives his new coaches more freedom. Jerry McDonald’s story and Lane Kiffen’s words…actually it was Kiffen who coined the phrease “Honeymoon.” So I guess that would be a question for Kiffen to answer, it was his honeymoon. And as I remember you were a big Russell supporter. Anytime anybody said anything bad about Russell you were there to defend Russell.
“Tom Cable told us we had it all wrong with Davis. Cable said he was the coach of the team, he hired his entire staff, and that his working relationship with Davis couldn’t be better/”
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hehe we all know how that turned out
September 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
IMO I think as you grow as a coach he releases the reighn a little
2nd yr u get more leeway
September 9th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
dump Nick Miller … sign Donnie Avery!
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Thats Sweet, somebody for Chaz to talk to. Kidding…Avery is always injured.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Haven’t picked up the new Madden yet.
No real reason why I haven’t either.
Need to add that to the things to do list.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
That was a great post Corkran. Outstanding stuff.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
LOL mods on my case again
September 9th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Well, IF, Jackson loses Monday Nite, god forbid, and Davis rolls in and throws down the towel, let’s hope the Bootlicker is there to pick it up before any feelings are hurt.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
DutchRaider, the point I’m making is that it is extremely doubtful that Davis gives even his new coaches any real kind of leeway, regardless of what lip service some of these coaches pay to the press. Often times the praise these coaches have for Davis is contradicted by their own words! Davis is one of the people who does the hiring in this league, so people aren’t going to burn bridges. There’s enough evidence there for any sane person to know that Al Davis meddles, with all of his coaches, right from the get go.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Hue has promised to ‘open a can’ once the live ammo is being fired. HJAX talks a lot of smack, but on this I believe him.
I’m really curious to see what he has up his sleeve.
Last year, the reverse was the closest thing the Raids had to a ’signature’ play. Hue used it often and quite effectively.
This year I expect to see quite a bit more of what some would classify ‘gimmick’ plays – but ones that I consider vital to keeping opponents off balance and that effectively use the vast arsenal at Hue’s disposal.
I’m expecting to see those ex-QB backs DMAC and Bush throw a few option passes (maybe even off the reverse) once defenses try stacking against us.
I’ll be smiling when we pull this on the Bolts. Little payback for those LT stunts against us.
Gonna be something like the old days when Landry would throw some sort of trick play at the opposition just about every game.
In the words of JHILL and Bart Scott…
CAN’T WAIT !
September 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Thec….i have answers for ya and the btch ass mods are hatin lol
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
inonewordraider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hue’s either a bully with no ball$ or is being bullied by Al Davis if he has NMiller returning punts
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inonewordraider = semi pro!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Thec….i have answers for ya and the btch ass mods are hatin lol
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No worries mayne….lol
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Thec….simple as this…Hagan is a WR with size and hands that can run routes and isnt brittle. He also shown ability to make something happen after the catch. Also he will take punishment and hold on to the ball. no other WR on this roster can say that
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
LOL mods on my case again
……….
I wonder why? You’re always so civil.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Im willing to bet ya….when blitz is coming Hagan gonna understand what to do so JC can find an open target
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
512.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
LOL mods on my case again
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I wonder why? You’re always so civil.
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Cuz they are soft
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
I’ll be smiling when we pull this on the Bolts. Little payback for those LT stunts against us.
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hahhahahahha…Pay back can be a bch..
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Do i need to mention Hagan can block?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
ROG,
yesterday you’re calling guys “baby nuts” and today you’re calling guys “pipe taker” ???
DANG!
LOL
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
He did more than show he should be on the roster but should receive significant snaps
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Im willing to bet ya….when blitz is coming Hagan gonna understand what to do so JC can find an open target
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JFORD can do that, and give you more YAC…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
517.RaiderRockstar Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
ROG,
yesterday you’re calling guys “baby nuts” and today you’re calling guys “pipe taker” ???
DANG!
LOL
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Some mthfkas just need to shut up and those two clowns has no biz speaking on the ROG
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Do i need to mention Hagan can block?
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Look at some of DMAC runs, and see if JFORD is in the mix with some good blocks…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
By the time Monday nights Raider / Donk game is over there should be nothing left on the field but Glue, Bones and Donkey teeth…
Raiders 38….. Donks 17…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
519.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Im willing to bet ya….when blitz is coming Hagan gonna understand what to do so JC can find an open target
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JFORD can do that, and give you more YAC…
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at 5′7 165? Be serious…he aint big enough in traffic to make it happen eventho i like his heart
September 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
521.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Do i need to mention Hagan can block?
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Look at some of DMAC runs, and see if JFORD is in the mix with some good blocks…
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5′7 165
September 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
522.fingers Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
By the time Monday nights Raider / Donk game is over there should be nothing left on the field but Glue, Bones and Donkey teeth…
Raiders 38….. Donks 17…
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I like it
September 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
He did more than show he should be on the roster but should receive significant snaps
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If he gets any snaps that JFORD should get , that would be a travesty…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Ford is a playmaker and I dig his game….but he isnt a poss WR who can run about every route against all sizes of CBs….no way no how
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
526.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
He did more than show he should be on the roster but should receive significant snaps
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If he gets any snaps that JFORD should get , that would be a travesty…
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A poss WR vs a slot Wr…..do the math
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
5′7 165
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Nope try 5′8″ 185….<—– steve smithish but better…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
J Hill Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Ford and Moore are LOCKS for snaps.
DHB/Hagan/Chaz will fight for the scraps.
I think DHB will get the first “chance” to do something and his subsequent snaps will depend on what he does with his early opportunities.
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I completely agree. My concern is with DHB getting a chance early is it will screw us.
I can see a play happening that may have been a big play or even touchdown and is dropped by DHB and it was a play that would have been made by 3 or 4 of our other wideouts on the roster.
My opinion is these first 2 games are beyond IMPORTANT. I just can’t understand why you continue this DHB experiment when it could cost you games. If we don’t start 2-0 any hopes of a wildcard or winning the division are all but over.
At what point is enough enough?
We will soon see if Hue is his own man or he really is just another puppet.
I don’t hate DHB I just hate to see him anywhere but #5 on our depth chart.
Please Hue put us in the best position to win games. That is what you claim, Right?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
brb
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
A poss WR vs a slot Wr…..do the math
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I have an JFORD has better value…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
at 5′7 165? Be serious…he aint big enough in traffic to make it happen eventho i like his heart
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ROG,
dont be hatin on JFORD now!
the guy had a few drops & fumbles last year, but flashed WAY more ability than DHB, Murphy, Schilens & Miller ever have
Jacoby Ford = Steve Smith (CAR)
rookie mistakes cleaned up = #1 WR
nice pick by Mr. Davis
September 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Jacoby Ford is not 5′8! and he is not 165 lbs! I’ve seen that guy out and about many times….noooooooooo way
September 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
They’re moderators, Brien. Their job is to keep things civil in here, not to be hard.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
533.RaiderRockstar Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
at 5′7 165? Be serious…he aint big enough in traffic to make it happen eventho i like his heart
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ROG,
dont be hatin on JFORD now!
the guy had a few drops & fumbles last year, but flashed WAY more ability than DHB, Murphy, Schilens & Miller ever have
Jacoby Ford = Steve Smith (CAR)
rookie mistakes cleaned up = #1 WR
nice pick by Mr. Davis
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Steve Smith is Steve Smith….Ford is not Smith….not at all but I like him as our Az Hakim type of guy….most def need him
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
DutchRaider, the point I’m making is that it is extremely doubtful that Davis gives even his new coaches any real kind of leeway, regardless of what lip service some of these coaches pay to the press. Often times the praise these coaches have for Davis is contradicted by their own words! Davis is one of the people who does the hiring in this league, so people aren’t going to burn bridges. There’s enough evidence there for any sane person to know that Al Davis meddles, with all of his coaches, right from the get go.
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Ok, that is fine you do not believe it. But it is reported by new coaches and writers (Jerry) that he does. I am not saying it is “true.” I actually agree with you that Kiffen is a two-faced liar. “Often times the praise these coaches have for Davis is contradicted by their own words!” Kiffen also said that the Raiders were not going to draft McFadden before the draft…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Ford is a playmaker and I dig his game….but he isnt a poss WR who can run about every route against all sizes of CBs….no way no how
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Disagree, no cb in the league can defend him 1 on 1 even with safety help…He is the mos dangerous WR we have…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
535.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
They’re moderators, Brien. Their job is to keep things civil in here, not to be hard.
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YAWWWWWWWWWWWNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN to this especially when there wasnt any profane language or name calling in it…..spare me MR
September 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Steve Smith is Steve Smith….Ford is not Smith….not at all but I like him as our Az Hakim type of guy….most def need him
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JFORD is better than smith…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
538.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Ford is a playmaker and I dig his game….but he isnt a poss WR who can run about every route against all sizes of CBs….no way no how
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Disagree, no cb in the league can defend him 1 on 1 even with safety help…He is the mos dangerous WR we have…
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As far as big plays i agree but poss WR? Never
September 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
540.Thec07 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
Steve Smith is Steve Smith….Ford is not Smith….not at all but I like him as our Az Hakim type of guy….most def need him
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JFORD is better than smith…
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Whoaaaaaaaaa lunchtime on that note lol
September 9th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
What routes on the route can JFORD not run?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
The Raiders are better than the Broncos on paper, at just about every position. But these 3 factors are glaring:
1) The Raiders haven’t won in week one since 2002.
2) The Raiders haven’t won on prime time since 2004.
3) Since the ’90s, Davis hasn’t fared well against former coaches of his, especially ones that left on bad terms, as Fox did.
On paper, the Raiders win this game easily. But in real life, the Raiders just find a way to lose.
Denver 24, Raiders 17
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Whoaaaaaaaaa lunchtime on that note lol
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Enjoy yourself Bruh….
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Isn’t it great we are talking about what receivers on the ROSTER should start? Instead of who we can pick up as a FA or trade for…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Brien, profanity isn’t the only thing forbidden here. Being uncivil and picking fights with individual people isn’t allowed, either. That’s why the mods are on you.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
1 NATION…
September 9th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Ford is not Smith….not at all but I like him as our Az Hakim type of guy….
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Az-Zahir Hakim blew thru 6 NFL teams before landing in the UFL
was able to contribute a little bit in St Louis as a youngster in part of the “greatest show on turf”
He’s a Southern CA guy though. born in LA. went to SD State – surprised you like that cat
September 9th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Man… last night everyone was willing to give up the franchise for Andrew luck. .. the Guy’s going to be good… but what good would he be with a bunch of trash around him…. its still a year away… a lot of bad things can happen… the Guy might stink it up this season… Pryor might turn out to be another Randall Cunningham. .. calm down raider fans.. lets see what we have in Pryor. … maybe we hit the mother load with him.. and isn’t going to cost us the same as That crook.. jablubber.
September 9th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Brien, interesting that this is a “Raider blog”, and the mods are cracking down on the most vehement Raider defender. lol. Doesn’t that tell you the Raiders have very little to do with this blog? If this were a Raider blog, they’d give you freedom to say what you want and editorial powers. They seem to treat the most vehement Raider defenders like they’re on the bottom of the totem pole. What does that tell you?
September 9th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I’m starting Panthers TE Greg Olsen this week on my FF team.
Sort of risky with these guys available in FA, isn’t it?
Travis Beckum
Dustin Keller
Benjamin Watson
Heath Miller
Ed Dickson
Cam Newton sucks!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
the “Dream Team” kept Jason Avant & Riley Cooper over Johnnie Lee Higgins?
those bast@rds!
September 9th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Ghost,
trade White Webster to New England for Fat Albert!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Im willing to bet ya….when blitz is coming Hagan gonna understand what to do so JC can find an open target
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this is true
September 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
the “Dream Team” kept Jason Avant & Riley Cooper over Johnnie Lee Higgins?
those bast@rds!
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lol sorry bro, I know you have a place in your heart for Johnnie.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
DHB has earned his opportunity this year. It doesnt matter if he starts he has proven this pre seaons he can run routs, get separation draw interference penalties and catch the ball. he has shown that he is continuing to improve and can be a dangerous weapon. Why wouldnt you throw him the ball? regardless of the fact that bloggers dont believe in him, JC hu jack saunders and davis do.
end of story
September 9th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Rockstar, if it makes u feel any better Squirrel season opens this monday.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
DHB has earned his opportunity this year. It doesnt matter if he starts he has proven this pre seaons he can run routs, get separation draw interference penalties and catch the ball. he has shown that he is continuing to improve and can be a dangerous weapon. Why wouldnt you throw him the ball? regardless of the fact that bloggers dont believe in him, JC hu jack saunders and davis do.
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He may have earned a place on the team but the reality is has not out performed other wideouts on our roster. Just a fact. He should not be a starter, maybe once he proves himself when he comes in as a 3rd 4th ot 5th wideout.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
*he
September 9th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
I’m hoping by the end of Ob@ma’s second term, the only thing hunters will be able to kill legally is each other.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
*or
I’m a typo machine
September 9th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
I believe JFord and DMoore will prove to be the Raids best WRs this year.
Neither is your prototypical posession rcvr, but both can make every catch. Ford’s speed makes him the better deep threat. Don’t care if he’s smurfish, when there’s a contested pass – he’s going for it and I like his chances to get it. Sure, the reception against KC to set up the tying FG was kind of a fluke, but that’s the type of play that gives a clue about his athleticism, hands and desire.
DMoore is going to prove to be a terror on slants. His YAC will be one of his strengths. It’s not an accident he had a phenomenal YPC average with the worst QBs imaginable at Tenn. One look at his punt return this pre-season (that was called back) should give you an idea of how effortlessly he can change direction at full speed. If his hands are as good as reported, and if the accounts of the adjustments and circus catches he’s made in practice are accurate – his ceiling is incredibly high.
Davis gets mocked for his draft blunders. No one is going to be laughing about these two stellar picks.
Oh, I should mention that if Taiwan Jones can stay healthy – that’s going to be another Davis speed special that everyone mocked, but Al will have the last laugh.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
I’m starting Panthers TE Greg Olsen this week on my FF team.
Sort of risky with these guys available in FA, isn’t it?
Travis Beckum
Dustin Keller
Benjamin Watson
Heath Miller
Ed Dickson
Cam Newton sucks!
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Hope this makes you feel better!
Panthers WR Legedu Naanee believes TE Greg Olsen is in for a huge season. “Yeah, especially in this offense,” Naanee said. “A lot of the stuff we do in this offense is tight end matchups and he can catch and runs good routes. That’s huge because the guys that have to cover those tight ends can’t handle a guy that can do everything.” The Panthers kick off the season in Week 1 at Arizona. The Cardinals allowed seven Fantasy points per week to TEs in 2010, which was 12th highest in the NFL.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
I would love to see DMAC as wideout and Taiwan in the backfield on certain plays.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Ob@ma’s second term? Too funny. Hue Jackson has a better chance of lasting four more years than does Ob@ma!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
DMAC, Ford and Moore wide out with Jones in the backfield. You better have superfast db’s and linebackers
September 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Chaz Scheilens has a better chance of having an injury free season than Ob@ma having a second term.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Dakota, Ob@ma’s leadership hasn’t been perfect. But due to a total lack of opposition, he’s going to be reelected easily by default.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
SR Raider Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
DMAC, Ford and Moore wide out with Jones in the backfield. You better have superfast db’s and linebackers
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The thought of those guys being on the field at the time…
September 9th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Dutch,the offense may be TE friendly,but someone still has to throw him the ball and Carolina doesn’t have anyone capable of that.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
570.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Dakota, Ob@ma’s leadership hasn’t been perfect. But due to a total lack of opposition, he’s going to be reelected easily by default.
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I fkn hate it when you are right MaddenRaider….
September 9th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
….thankfully it doesn’t happen very often.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Afraid to ask, but RMR what do you have against hunting? Seems more ethical/healthy way to get meat than meat you would buy from a super market. Actually the author the The Omnivore’s Dilemma defends and supports hunting.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
You eat squirrels?
September 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
‘Sup fellas.
Nice post #563, RM99. Agreed.
My prediction for Monday Night..Oak 31-14.
Denver will put up a fight early, with the emotion of the home crowd, MNF and all.
But eventually the Raiders will just wear them down with Dmac and Bush. Setting up some nice play action later on.
I think DMoore is going to announce his presence to a National television audience with an impressive performance.
Finally, after getting pounded on by DMac and Bush for three quarters, the worn down and broken Broncos get their first taste of Taiwan Jones. They are left grasping at air as that blur blows by them and turns a tight one into another Raider BLOW OUT in The Mile High City.
That’s what I’m expecting, anyway.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Dutch,the offense may be TE friendly,but someone still has to throw him the ball and Carolina doesn’t have anyone capable of that.
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Even a bad QB can throw to the TE, usually? (Still willing to give Newton a chance)
September 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Raiders 34 Broncos 24
September 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
# HairyBush Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
DHB has earned his opportunity this year. It doesnt matter if he starts he has proven this pre seaons he can run routs, get separation draw interference penalties and catch the ball. he has shown that he is continuing to improve and can be a dangerous weapon. Why wouldnt you throw him the ball? regardless of the fact that bloggers dont believe in him, JC hu jack saunders and davis do.
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He may have earned a place on the team but the reality is has not out performed other wideouts on our roster. Just a fact. He should not be a starter, maybe once he proves himself when he comes in as a 3rd 4th ot 5th wideout.
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How many snaps does the starter play vs a reserve in oakland this year? You cant answer that and no one on this blog can. It will based on the game situation and the particular skill set of the player. Who starts is not important
September 9th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Newton will try to run for first downs and drives will die. He’s not Vick
September 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
DutchRaider, I eat meat. But I could live without it if hunting were banned.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
RM99 likes to call Soup JaJason when it should be JaCam Newton.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Dutch,
I’ve interviewed both animals that were slaughtered by meat manufacturers, and animals shot by hunters. I asked both parties of animals which was worse. I got no response, from either. So the jury’s out.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
583.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Dutch,
I’ve interviewed both animals that were slaughtered by meat manufacturers, and animals shot by hunters. I asked both parties of animals which was worse. I got no response, from either. So the jury’s out.
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you are a little piss ant but you are funny lmao
September 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
“Dakota, Ob@ma’s leadership hasn’t been perfect. But due to a total lack of opposition, he’s going to be reelected easily by default.
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I fkn hate it when you are right MaddenRaider….”
So true on so many levels unfortunately.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
585.Silverandblack666 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
“Dakota, Ob@ma’s leadership hasn’t been perfect. But due to a total lack of opposition, he’s going to be reelected easily by default.
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I fkn hate it when you are right MaddenRaider….”
So true on so many levels unfortunately.
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even a blind man can see that….what did MR really do here? lol
September 9th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
The Republican party made a mistake by doing the whole anarchist tea party route. Might win some small congressional districts, but sophisticated people are not going to vote for maniacs. The right response to Ob@ma’s victory in ‘08 was to retool their party and make it more appealing to modern voters. Instead they just threw in the towel and went nuts. They have about a year to get things right, and so far they haven’t made one move toward doing so. I mean, Rick Perry? He’s a scarier version of G.W.B.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
I am a pyschic animal medium and I interviewed both animals slaughtered by meat manufacturers and animals shot by hunters and guess what? They are both pissed and ready to haunt your @$$ until you die!!!!
Now somebody get me a bucket of chicken and a steak!!! No a steak and a lobster surf and turf baby!!!!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
587.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
The Republican party made a mistake by doing the whole anarchist tea party route. Might win some small congressional districts, but sophisticated people are not going to vote for maniacs. The right response to Ob@ma’s victory in ‘08 was to retool their party and make it more appealing to modern voters. Instead they just threw in the towel and went nuts. They have about a year to get things right, and so far they haven’t made one move toward doing so. I mean, Rick Perry? He’s a scarier version of G.W.B.
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September 9th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
A pissant?
You still watch wrestling, Brien?
September 9th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
CJ, what about all of the people outraged over Vick’s dog fighting? Watching those CNN reports of Vick’s mistreatment of animals, while they scarf down chicken wings…
September 9th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Guest123 It’s too bad very few of you know about the darft process that way you wouldn’t make so many ignorant statements. Hand size has been included in the draft process for 40 years. The draft evaluation process is 100x’s more thorough than the average fan knows. But fans will be fans if you don’t know you don’t know. GM’s and owners aren’t stupid as fans want to believe.
Fans have never done anything but watch football while the pros make it happen. Yet so many fans think they know more than the pros. No matter how thorough a job you do on a prospect you will still make mistakes because players aren’t robots they’re people with a lot of frailties but good athletes………..period
Players who are considered can’t miss prospects will miss because of a myriad of issues beyond sometimes the players control. Biulding a team is NOT like playing some damn video game. You’re dealing with real live people who get hurt, lose confidence, get in situations that don’t allow them to function well. Doesn’t mean is so much bad as it just doesn’t fit. Fans hav a hard time digesting this concept but NOTHING no matter how good or bad a job you do evaluating talent sometimes it just doesn’t work out…………period
September 9th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
How many snaps does the starter play vs a reserve in oakland this year? You cant answer that and no one on this blog can. It will based on the game situation and the particular skill set of the player. Who starts is not important
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You would think your best players would be your starters. I agree the amount of touches may be more balanced during the duration of a game, But my point is when you are a team trying to find yourself and become an “up and comer” you need every advantage you can get. Starting the game with a wideout who is not ready for the responsibility is hurting your team. Do you think other players on the team don’t wonder to themself if not other teammates why someone who is not as polished at the wideout position gets ranked above those who have proven more. If the Raiders had no other options this would not tbe a conversation. You and I both know there are better options on the bench. That’s the way I see it anyway. I am a Raider fan and if DHB lights it up and plays great I will glady man up and say so. It is much more likely we will be talking about Ford/D. Moore even Chaz and Murph. They are football players not just a track star who Al got moist over.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
590.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
A pissant?
You still watch wrestling, Brien?
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got great memory from the old days MR….every blue moon i may see 10 minutes of WWF RAW…but not much
September 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Hey, Brien, if you ever see me at a game, will all pandemonium break loose? lol.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Ravishing Rick Rude: ALL YOU PENSYLVANIA PISSANTS!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
595.Sullivan44 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Hey, Brien, if you ever see me at a game, will all pandemonium break loose? lol.
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Steal chairs brother!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL
Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
September 9th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
596.HairyBush Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Ravishing Rick Rude: ALL YOU PENSYLVANIA PISSANTS!
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“What I’d like to have right now is for all you fat lazy worthless Denver cowtown sweat hogs, keep the noise down while I put on my Raider helmet and show you what a real football player looks like”
September 9th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
I was just going to bust out Cincinnati sweat hogs, well done lol.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
598.priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL
Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
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It amazes us how quick you get pissed lmao
September 9th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I remember when the Rock came to Arco and dissed Sac. I mean he went in hard. I think it’s on youtube.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/fantasy-football1.htm
September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
priesttj Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL
Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
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Sounds like your the one with feelings hurt. I form opinions on everything I watch and read just like you. I am not going to stick up for a situation I do not believe is right. DHB=Al’s project, period.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
603.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.
http://entertainment.howstuffworks.com/fantasy-football1.htm
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September 9th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
FYI:Fantasy football was born in 1962 thanks to the Oakland Raiders. Wilfred Winkenbach, a former Oakland businessman and limited partner in the Silver & Black, worked with a former Raiders Public Relations manager and a former reporter on a road trip to New York to develop the rules that eventually became fantasy football.
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THANX Wilfred!
September 9th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL
Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!
Your feelings just might get hurt then. Because none of you have seen one single solitary second of practice or practice film. So let the people who have make the decisions…………period
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Priest you think that we really haven’t seen the new role/routes for DHB that has been talked about for him by Sanders and Jackson in the preseason games? Just curious…
September 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
“It amazes me how butt hurt these guys get over who starts at WR. …….LOL
Why is it so important who starts at WR??? Oh I get it YOU don’t wnat DHB to start. Oh well!”
You seriously cant comprehend this?
Well let me spell it out for you for the 10th time!
The players care who starts they have to earn it, it is a way to reward a guy how much his hard work in camp and preseason games.
If a WR has worked hard all off season to earn a starting slot on the team and that is taken away from him by the owner who is meddling and basically castrating the coach, the coach will at that point lose respect of his players.
Its the coaches job to say who starts and who sits….Oakland is the only team in the entire league where the owner tells the coach who to start.
Is it really that hard to understand or is it more of you being stubborn and not dealing with that fact that our meddling owner is screwing up the team chemistry and castrating the coach in front of his players to show who is in control.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
You will not man up and admit anything.DHB has done everything asked of him in the practice games,something you fail to acknowledge even now.You say you want him to be successful yet can’t help from making negative comments about him before you end any comment you make.Is he Timmy Brown now-no way.But he has tremendous upside and it would be foolish to push him aside already.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
“to bring together some of Oakland’s finest Saturday morning gridiron forecasters to pit their respective brains (and cash) against each other”
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September 9th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Just seen Jerry tweet the injury list…Taiwan Jones hurt his foot again? Or are they playing and just listing what bothered them during camp? Hagan is listed as a calf injury…hmmmm
September 9th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
The criticism of DHB could be due to the fact that he was drafted two years ago, and is yet to even show up to a game.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
666-just wondering,what meeting you sat in on where the old man ordered the coach as to who would play in the game.i mean since it is fact and all?
September 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RM99 likes to call Soup JaJason when it should be JaCam Newton.
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Might turn out to be correct. Like JaMoron, Kim could turn out to be a number one overall selection that busts.
But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Kim could turn out to be a bum due to accuracy problems. I don’t think that can be discounted.
That said, I like his chances to be a good and maybe even a very good NFL QB. I think he has a good throwing motion and excellent arm strength. He’s not ready yet, but I don’t see why he can’t eventually become adept at reading NFL defenses. If he can develop consistent accuracy, he’ll be very dangerous. He’s got great running ability and the size and strength to utilize it. You ordinarilly don’t want a QB running too much, but this guy could break the mold.
Can’t blame Carolina for taking him number one. I’d have done the same.
September 9th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Derek Hagan is going to be the best receiver this year if he gets the snaps. The guy run very good routes and he knows how to get open. DHB is faster but he don’t get open as much as he should.
September 9th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
DHB played well this pre season people that wont acknowledge it are being foolish.
He played better than his returning incumbents murph and chaz as they couldn’t get on the field. Ford is a returning veteran, but moore and hagan are new here. beleive it or not they dont know the offense like DHB. So DHB the returning starter has played every bit as well as the new guys and better than some of the returning players, yet you dont want him to get the snaps?
Good thing hu jack knows better than you.
September 9th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
jason campbell and cam newton have nothing to do with jamarcuss.
Adding the JA in front of their names is childish
September 9th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
It was a Saturday afternoon in Fork Union, Va., and Jacoby Ford had bigger things on his mind than his own prep school football game. He was wanting to be 25 miles up the road, on his way with older brother Davy to watch Florida State face Virginia.
So John Shuman, the football coach at Fork Union Military Academy, made Ford a deal.
“If you take the first punt to the house, you can wave at me as you go to the locker room and get out of here,” Shuman recalled. “Sure enough, midway through his first punt return, he was waving at me as he ran past, he jumped in the car with his brother.”
Ford has put on more than 20 pounds since he was a 168-pound prep school playmaker, but he still has the extra gear that makes quick getaways a frequent reality. He hopes to put those tools to use when the Raiders open the season Monday night against the Denver Broncos at Sports Authority Field at Mile High.
It’s easy to forget that Ford’s rookie season didn’t see him flying out of the starting blocks. Because of a quadriceps injury that cost him much of training camp, Ford’s playing time was limited to start.
Although he didn’t get his first touchdown until Week 9, Ford finished with seven touchdowns at an average distance of 60.4 yards per score. He and Philadelphia’s DeSean Jackson were the only players in the league to have a touchdown rushing, receiving and on a kick return.
The Raiders got all that for the No. 108 selection in the
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2010 draft, using the pick they acquired from Jacksonville in exchange for linebacker Kirk Morrison. Ford had the fastest 40-yard dash at the NFL scouting combine at 4.28 seconds and impressive numbers at Clemson but was overshadowed by teammate C.J. Spiller, an eventual first-round pick by Buffalo.
“You never really know what to expect,” Ford said. “I wasn’t sure if I was just going to be on special teams or how much receiver I’d play. Whenever I did get my opportunity, I just seized it and ran with it from there.”
Ford is now fully recovered from a broken left hand that slowed him in the early days of training camp. He will be used creatively by coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Al Saunders in order to utilize his sprinter’s speed.
It remains to be seen how many kickoff returns Ford will get with the new rule allowing teams to kick off from the 35-yard line. But Jackson is talking about using Ford occasionally on punt returns and getting the ball into his hands often as possible.
“If he can score touchdowns, I’m going to give it to him,” Jackson said. “He likes the ball in his hands, we like to put it in his hands. We need to turn this guy loose.”
Ford’s coming out party was a Week 9 win over Kansas City when he returned a kickoff 94 yards for a touchdown and caught six passes for 148 yards, setting up both the game-tying and game-winning field goals with spectacular catches.
“After the Kansas City game, when I saw Hue started moving me around in different places to get the ball in my hands, that’s when I realized I definitely had their trust,” said Ford, who followed in the footsteps of his mom and brother as a high school sprint champion in Florida.
Yet after a senior year at Cardinal Newman High in West Palm Beach in which Jacoby caught 22 passes for 550 yards, schools were scared off by low SAT scores. Davy Ford, who was a running back at Florida State and briefly with the Dallas Cowboys, was told about Fork Union by one of his Cowboys’ teammates, linebacker Dexter Coakley.
Coakley, a Fork Union product, recommended Ford to Shuman. For a year, Ford rose at 6 a.m., dressed in uniform, said, “Yes sir,” and “No sir,” and played a schedule against other military schools as well as local junior colleges and college junior varsity teams.
When the year was up, Ford had 57 receptions for 1,254 yards and nine touchdowns, had returned seven kicks for touchdowns and rushed 12 times for 306 yards and three touchdowns.
He earned a scholarship to Clemson, where he was also an accomplished sprinter on the track team, and earned his degree in sociology.
The first time Shuman and his staff saw Ford run in person, he had the same reaction as Jackson.
“We said, ‘We’ve got to find a way to get this guy the ball,’ ” Shuman said.
Tight end Kevin Boss (knee strain) did not practice, making Brandon Myers the likely starter in the opener. The only other players who didn’t practice were wide receiver Louis Murphy and safety Mike Mitchell.
Triple threat
Jacoby Ford was one of only two players in the NFL, along with Philadelphia’s DeSean Jackson, to score touchdowns rushing, receiving and on kick returns:
Yards Avg. TDs
Receiving 470 18.8 2
Rushing 155 15.5 2
Returns 1,280 24.2 3
September 9th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
September 9th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
RM99 likes to call Soup JaJason when it should be JaCam Newton.
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Might turn out to be correct. Like JaMoron, Kim could turn out to be a number one overall selection that busts.
But I wouldn’t bet on it.
Kim could turn out to be a bum due to accuracy problems. I don’t think that can be discounted.
That said, I like his chances to be a good and maybe even a very good NFL QB. I think he has a good throwing motion and excellent arm strength. He’s not ready yet, but I don’t see why he can’t eventually become adept at reading NFL defenses. If he can develop consistent accuracy, he’ll be very dangerous. He’s got great running ability and the size and strength to utilize it. You ordinarilly don’t want a QB running too much, but this guy could break the mold.
Can’t blame Carolina for taking him number one. I’d have done the same
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Cam Newton will struggle this year but I think he will be a good quarterback in a couple of years. Peyton Manning and Troy Aikman struggled their first couple of years and later won Superbowls. Sam Bradford was an anomaly.
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What was it many said about a certain ex-QB who used to play on our team-you can’t teach accuracy.Yet people now say once Newton learns to be accurate he will be good.Which is it?
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What was it many said about a certain ex-QB who used to play on our team-you can’t teach accuracy.Yet people now say once Newton learns to be accurate he will be good.Which is it?
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Very difficult to make dramatic improvements in accuracy. Some would say impossible.
I think it’s important to recognize that there could be instances where a correction to a mechanical flaw, poor throwing motion or footwork might result in improved accuracy.
If a guy shows decent accuracy at times and not such good accuracy at others, then it’s possible that more consistent accuracy could be achieved if the problem is due to poor mechanics or delivery.
But in general, I’d have to say accuracy can not be significantly improved. Either you have it or you don’t.
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