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Raiders live chat here on Tuesday at noon

By Jon Becker
Monday, September 19th, 2011 at 12:06 pm in Oakland Raiders.

What’s wrong with the Raiders and how can they fix things? Join Steve Corkran for a Raiders live chat on Tuesday at noon for some answers.

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  • http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/526101/AlDavis1_medium.jpg KoolKell

    Now, I remember Chuck Bresnahan. He likes to play prevent defense.

  • Thec07

    KoolKell Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
    Now, I remember Chuck Bresnahan. He likes to play prevent defense.

    +++++++++

    hahahahahhaha…Hey how was the outing?

  • DMAC

    Repost
    I’m a McClain fan, but I got to admit, that other than those 2 batted down balls, he had a horrible game. Looked slow out there and I saw him always trailing on plays and not giving 100% effort, IMO. He needs to get his schit together this weekend against the Jets.

  • Silverandblack666

    “What’s wrong with the Raiders and how can they fix things?”

    Good topic, I can answer the first half of the question.

  • 89052RAIDER

    Could The defense have played worse? Al needs to quit mandating the base 4-3. The bills are not the patriots and scoring a Td on 5 straight second half possessions is embarrassing. where does the defense go from here? The offense is very encouraging but the defense looked as bad as it have ever been in the last 8 years.

  • DMAC

    Raiders FS Michael Huff (groin) did not start and was limited in yesterday’s loss to the Bills.
    Huff’s limitations really hurt Oakland. Matt Giordano started and was repeatedly burned in both run support and coverage as the Bills rang up 38 points.
    Related: Matt Giordano
    Source: San Francisco Chronicle
    =========
    I could be wrong, but I thought I saw a lot of Huff on the field.

  • http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/526101/AlDavis1_medium.jpg KoolKell

    The Winery was beautiful, spent the night drinking their finest, thanks.

    Thec, you remember Chuck Bresnahan and those prevent & sticks defenses with even a 1 point lead in the 1st qtr?

    cmon man.

  • priesttj

    DMAC It just goes to what I’ve been saying that kid was running uphill all game in the first half he played much better in the second half he looked like he was 50 years old. The two road games and the crosscountry trip on a short week showed there’s no getting around that.

    You wnat to sya suck it and play but to say it doesn’t make a difference is silly. If you watch any NBA team play a back to back game they rarely win because going down the stretch they fade. It’s a known fact.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    priesttj Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
    SnB you couldn’t tell that defense was GASSED?? It’s not an excuse we should’ve WON but that doesn’t mean they weren’t GASSED. I’m not saying that’s why we lost, but to say they weren’t tired and it had no affect is stupid.
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    Priesttj,

    They didn’t look “GASSED” in the 1st half. The defense had an 18 point lead.

    Who was gassed? If we have players too tired to do their jobs…put the backups in.

    I am just fed up with the excuses. This year is about production and just getting the job done.

    They had an extra day in Buffalo to chill out and relax and until there is some sort of expansion…the Raiders will have to come East.

    Should we just have a built in excuse for games against Miami, Cincy, Green Bay and Minnesota?

    I don’t like that. I need to here the players say they were “gassed” and the backups were “gassed” too.

    I just chalk this up as a lost opportunity.

    Hopefully we are not all sitting here at the end of the year commiserating over lost opportunities.

  • RaiderRockstar

    we didn’t rush the quarterback and we didn’t stuff the run …

    end result = loss

    Last week against Dungver we accomplished both of those feats. what gives?

    Buffalo has a good o-line now? Chan Gailey is a legit coach? those garbage TE’s could start for ANY nfl team?

    No. the Raiders played down to the competition. The Offense played “balls out” and the Defense didn’t.

    Remember those games last year we were supposed to win – but didn’t; that kept us out of the playoffs?

    This was one of them. 5 TD’s allowed in the 2nd half is unacceptable!

    We were outscored 17-7 last week after half-time. 35-14 this week

    Do the Raiders know how to FINISH? Gotta close out these ballgames man. The Bills were like Rocky Balboa yesterday. We never delivered the knock out punch

  • DMAC

    priesttj Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm

    DMAC It just goes to what I’ve been saying that kid was running uphill all game in the first half he played much better in the second half he looked like he was 50 years old. The two road games and the crosscountry trip on a short week showed there’s no getting around that.

    You wnat to sya suck it and play but to say it doesn’t make a difference is silly. If you watch any NBA team play a back to back game they rarely win because going down the stretch they fade. It’s a known fact.
    ========
    Yeah, your right about that.

  • Plunketthead

    1460.Plunketthead Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
    Chrisinny
    I agree with you all the time but I think getting the players to exucute is more important then Hue drawing up great plays. We can only get away with a handfull at the most. Plus we scored enough to win.

    Defense Players need to tackle and quit miffing. FIVE straight TDs in the second half. We can blame the D scheme where we play back to far when QBs start picking us apart on slants. We have to fix that

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    DMAC Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
    Raiders FS Michael Huff (groin) did not start and was limited in yesterday’s loss to the Bills.
    Huff’s limitations really hurt Oakland. Matt Giordano started and was repeatedly burned in both run support and coverage as the Bills rang up 38 points.
    Related: Matt Giordano
    Source: San Francisco Chronicle

    ================================================
    Green Bay went to a Super Bowl with a ton of injuries.

    If the backups can’t even function…why are they on the roster.

    Lets limit the excuses and just admit the defense was worked over.

  • 89052RAIDER

    The defense stunk in every aspect. McClain was one of many culprits. The scheme is horrible. Wimbley and groves are natural de’s masquerading as linebackers and are losing the edge perpetually. The safety play was an abortion as well..bresnehan is in over his head. The unit does not look coached up.

  • Chris in NY

    I think the biggest factor yesterday was that the defense just took its foot off the gas to start the second half. The tackling and overall effort in the third quarter were terrible. I think they had 2-0 penciled in far too early after building that 21-3 lead and basically dominating the first 6 quarters of the season.

    At that point Buffalo had the momentum, they had a good game plan for the 2nd half. And we just couldn’t rally to make that final play to seal the game. Simple as that.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    The Raiders should have been able to field a defense with just reserves and make ONE DOGGONE stop for the 2nd half

  • RaiderRockstar

    I think the Raiders might need to consider moving Mr. McClain to the outside

    ***

    Retribution,

    I said this in the offseason.

    Let’s see if you get blasted for the suggestion like I did!

  • Thec07

    sticks defenses with even a 1 point lead in the 1st qtr?

    cmon man.

    ++++++++++

    ROFLMAO……I know man, it was just the way you said it was funny as hell…

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    we didn’t rush the quarterback and we didn’t stuff the run …

    end result = loss

    Last week against Dungver we accomplished both of those feats. what gives?

    Buffalo has a good o-line now? Chan Gailey is a legit coach? those garbage TE’s could start for ANY nfl team?

    No. the Raiders played down to the competition. The Offense played “balls out” and the Defense didn’t.

    Remember those games last year we were supposed to win – but didn’t; that kept us out of the playoffs?

    This was one of them. 5 TD’s allowed in the 2nd half is unacceptable!

    =================================================
    This post captures it.

  • Plunketthead

    I wonder how many players in the NFL sip the syrup?
    We know the NFL and the teams turn a blind eye when it comes to booze & weed, except maybe Bellthecheat.

  • DMAC

    Chris in NY Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    I think the biggest factor yesterday was that the defense just took its foot off the gas to start the second half. The tackling and overall effort in the third quarter were terrible. I think they had 2-0 penciled in far too early after building that 21-3 lead and basically dominating the first 6 quarters of the season.
    ========
    I totally agree!
    They thought they had an early easy W in their pocket.

  • Thec07

    The Winery was beautiful, spent the night drinking their finest, thanks.

    ++++++

    Good to see you enjoying life….We all need to do things like this from time to time…

  • priesttj

    SnB Sometimes it’s damn near shocking how little you know about sports. In the first half the hadn’t played it’s the second half when that gets to you. The Raiders were starting to fade in the 2nd qrtr by the end of the 3qrtr that defense was dead… it’s common, coaches try to get you to fight through it and they tried but that defense was slow and missed tackle after tackle in the second half. THAT IS A TIRED DEFENSE!!

    Have you ever seen an NBA play back to back games they always fade in the 2nd half………..that same principle applies I’m not saying we couldn’t win I’m saying they were GASSED and it showed.

  • RaiderRockstar

    repost -

    so…

    Jason Campbell goes 23/33 for 325 yards & 3 TD’s

    McFadden, Bush & Jones rush 25 times for 99 yards (3.96 ypc) & 2 TD’s

    Moore & Hagan instead of DHB, Murphy, Ford or Miller at WR gave us solid play from this unit – how long has it been?

    ROMAC was a tackling machine. Routt intercepted a pass. Ryan Fitz only completed 60 % of his passes. Stevie Johnson left the game on the potential game-winning drive (injured). CJ37 looked like Deion Sanders in the last 2 minutes of the game

    and we still lost!

    who is to blame?

    Chuck B? Hue Jackson?

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    I think they had 2-0 penciled in far too early after building that 21-3 lead and basically dominating the first 6 quarters of the season.
    ================================================
    Against elite teams…I can see blowing the lead.

    Against average to below average teams….we got a problem

  • bcz24

    I could be wrong, but I thought I saw a lot of Huff on the field.
    ********************
    I thought Huff was out there a lot too.

  • http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/526101/AlDavis1_medium.jpg KoolKell

    Well, when you give up 200 on the ground, you’re not gonna win. Remember the pre-season?

  • RaiderRockstar

    Thec07,

    your boy Denny Moore made JFORD trade bait yesterday!

  • inonewordraider

    win just one of the next 3 we’ll be 2 and 3 with CLE KC and DEN up making us 5 and 3. Let’s sell out the home opener felluz, we’re playoff bound

  • bcz24

    your boy Denny Moore made JFORD trade bait yesterday!
    ********************
    Nick Millers abhorent play made any thought of trading JFord absolutely ridiculous.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Well, when you give up 200 on the ground, you’re not gonna win. Remember the pre-season?

    ***

    Kell,

    you wanted to draft McClain, I remember

    is any of this his responsibility or is it all Hue’s fault for recruiting his buddy Chuck B to run the defense?

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Stop giving R Seymour a free pass. He should be on everybody’s radar.
    _________

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm

    we didn’t rush the quarterback and we didn’t stuff the run …

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    priesttj Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    SnB Sometimes it’s damn near shocking how little you know about sports.
    ===========================================
    Perhaps.

    I just think it was poor communication and discipline that lost the game.

    The Raider defense had to make one play in the whole 2nd half and couldn’t do it. Just 1.

    If the starters are as “Gassed” as you say…then put in the backups and let them play more to give the D rest.

    There is no excuse or reason under the sun for that loss.

    Time to regroup, learn and move on

  • Chris in NY

    I don’t buy the fatigue factor either. I don’t think the game you played 6 days ago or the 5-hour flight from two days ago are legitimate excuses for poor performance by a group of professional athletes. Particularly when it was a non-factor for the first half of a game.

    All that stuff from days prior somehow catches up to you at halftime? I’m not buying it. Guys got complacent and played soft. Bills came out with a good plan and executed it. Chuck B had few answers for that plan. Simple as that.

  • DMAC

    The Eagles are 1-1
    The Ravens are 1-1
    The Saints are 1-1
    The Falcons are 1-1
    So you guys are telling me these teams are done?
    Get real.
    We lost a game, that should of been won.
    We lost and now we’re 1-1. Plain and simple.
    We still have a lot of football to be played. We need to stop jumping to conclusions so fast.
    I’m still a Hue Jack believer!
    Gotta run!
    Peace out Raider Nation bros!
    Go A’s!
    Go Dubs!
    Go Cal Bears!
    Go Raiders!

  • RaiderRockstar

    Nick Millers abhorent play made any thought of trading JFord absolutely ridiculous.

    ***

    TRUTH.

    Nick Miller = hot garbage

    I wonder what Hue Jackson has to say for himself after making albino smurf active against Dungver and not his two starting-calibur wide receivers?

    a win is a win, I guess. but Jason Campbell was on fire! game balls to Al Saunders & Sanjay Lal?

  • Thec07

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Thec07,

    your boy Denny Moore made JFORD trade bait yesterday!

    ++++++++

    hahahahaha…Glad you got jokes after yesterdays debacle….

    DMOORE is the truth….I thought it would have been mid to late this year until he passed JFORD however, after yesterdays game I will move them both to 1A, or pick em….

  • http://assets.sbnation.com/assets/526101/AlDavis1_medium.jpg KoolKell

    McClain looked lost out there at times yesterday. The secondary too. Another reason why changing DC’s to Chuck was ridiculous.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Stop giving R Seymour a free pass. He should be on everybody’s radar

    ***

    wasn’t Dick Seymour playing with a banged up knee or something?

    I know I saw John Henderson in there more often than I’d have liked to!

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    DMAC Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
    The Eagles are 1-1
    The Ravens are 1-1
    The Saints are 1-1
    The Falcons are 1-1
    So you guys are telling me these teams are done?

    ===================================================
    Who said the Raiders are done?

    But with a defense that has a history of poor run defense and a question mark on the secondary…..you have to be concerned.

    The Raiders have to step it up.

  • Thec07

    MistaBrown Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    Stop giving R Seymour a free pass. He should be on everybody’s radar.

    ++++++++++

    Yep, no one on the D gets a free pass…

    Everyone on the D side should look in the mirror, take ownership, and come out and blast the jest….

    Everyone on the D gets it including Seymour, and McClain…

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    I dont want to put Seymour on my radar like I did #21 & SeaPerch but he is forcing my hand. So far it has worked on Perch maybe this is what is needed before it gets too late!

  • inonewordraider

    NYJ W
    NE L
    HOU L
    CLE W
    KC W
    DEN W
    SD L
    MIN W
    CHI L
    MIA W
    GB L
    DET W
    KC W
    SD W

    10 and 6 AFC West Champs!

  • Roch R

    McClain was terrible yesterday.

    Go Raiders.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    McClain was never been on my radar he hasn’t got out of the gate since he was drafted.
    _______

    # Thec07 Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:29 pm

    Yep, no one on the D gets a free pass…

    Everyone on the D side should look in the mirror, take ownership, and come out and blast the jest….

    Everyone on the D gets it including Seymour, and McClain…

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    How to beat the Jets…..

    a)fire UpChuck B now before he can do anymore harm,

    b)hope Sanchez chokes on a hotdog.

  • Thec07

    KoolKell Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
    McClain looked lost out there at times yesterday. The secondary too. Another reason why changing DC’s to Chuck was ridiculous.

    ++++++++++

    Man I haven’t really went in on Bresh yet however, I said he looked like a deer in headlights hence the shades… His D yesterday looked awful in the second half…

  • inonewordraider

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
    Nick Millers abhorent play made any thought of trading JFord absolutely ridiculous.

    ***

    TRUTH.

    Nick Miller = hot garbage

    I wonder what Hue Jackson has to say for himself after making albino smurf active against Dungver and not his two starting-calibur wide receivers?

    a win is a win, I guess. but Jason Campbell was on fire! game balls to Al Saunders & Sanjay Lal?

    No way around blaming Hue for letting NMiller get on the field at all

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Seymour showing up for 1 or 2 games a year and being injured for 3 or 4 is getting real old. Maybe he needs to start coming off the bench and let Bryant or Houston get more work inside.

  • Thec07

    MistaBrown Says:
    September 19th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
    McClain was never been on my radar he hasn’t got out of the gate since he was drafted.

    ++++++++++

    ROFLMAO….