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Hue Jackson wants what Rex Ryan has

By Steve Corkran
Saturday, September 24th, 2011 at 10:04 am in Oakland Raiders.

Raiders coach Hue Jackson makes it clear that he and New York Jets coach Rex Ryan are two different people who just happen to be friends who once worked together.
Ryan has made a name for himself as an NFL head coach. Jackson wants to do the same. At the same time, Jackson admits that he is envious of what Ryan has accomplished in two short seasons as the Jets coach.
“He went there with a mentality that they were going to be a really good football team,” Jackson said of Ryan. “They were going to be the bullies of the east, and they are.”
By now, everyone has heard Jackson talk about his goal of “building a bully” in Oakland. When he steps on the field Sunday for the Raiders regular-season opener against the Jets, he will see, in many ways, what he envisions the Raiders becoming at some point.
Ryan talks the talk and walks the walk, as the players say. He talks big and he gets his players to back it up through their play.
Ryan’s Jets run the ball well, they stop the run well, they impose their will upon the opponent and back down from nobody, inluding the mighty Patriots.
Who can’t forget the Jets getting pounded by the Patriots 45-3 last season, only to knock out the Patriots in the playoffs?
Jackson realizes there’s plenty at stake Sunday. A victory not only would send notice to the rest of the league that the Raiders are capable of beating an elite team, it would get his players to believe that they are farther along in the process of becoming bullies than they might believe.
“I’m not Rex, and Rex is not Hue, but I’m sure we have a lot of similarities,” Jackson said. “We believe in violent, physical, tough aggressive football teams. And I’m going to build it here. I didn’t tell you it was going to happen overnight, but I’m going to build it.
“That’s what I truly believe in, and that’s what I want our football team to be. I didn’t say the Jets. It’s what Hue Jackson wants his football team to be. And we got some work to do, I understand that, we all do, but I tell you what, we’re going to work at it. And eventually we’re going to get this thing done that way.”
Ryan succeeded right away, getting the Jets to the AFC Championship Game in his first season in 2009. They returned there again last season. He keeps up the pressure by promising a Super Bowl victory each season.
He knows he can’t get reach that goal unless he has the proper players in place. To that end, an inordinate amount of time is spent searching for the proper players that fit the blueprint for what makes a Jets-type player.
“There’s some players that can play in the league, but they might not be able to play for us,” Ryan said. “There’s a lot of good players, maybe playing for other teams, that may not, quite honestly, weren’t guys that fit our mentality, whether it was their study habits, whether it was their commitment to the team, whether it was building each other up.
“Maybe there was something there that we weren’t happy with and we let them move on. And there’s other cases where we lost players we wish we could have kept. … But we’re a team. When we come out there, we have 53 players we feel strong about that they understand what we want, the team commitment and the unselfishness. So, we feel good about our team.”
Jackson said he feels good about the players he has assembled in his first season as the Raiders head coach. Sunday’s game will provide a measuring stick as to where Jackson is at in the process of building that bully.
“What Rex does is, Rex collects his kind of guys, the guys that believe what he sells,” Jackson said. “That’s what it’s truly all about. He believes in winning. He’s there because he wants to win. The guys that are there, I guarantee you, they’re there because they want to win. He believes in the system. He has a way of putting guys in position to make plays. I truly respect that.
“That’s what we’re trying to create here for our team. We’re trying to put guys in the best position to be all they can be, offense, defense, special teams. Not that we’re modeling after the Jets or Baltimore or any of that. That’s just my philosophy. I truly believe it and I’ve been around some men who do it that way that have had success.”
Jackson is like Ryan in that he arrived with a vision, is sticking to it and is confident that it will reap dividends in a timely fashion.
For Ryan, he said the process wasn’t difficult. In fact, it came naturally.
“I was just myself when I came here, and we’re fortunate, I’m fortunate, to have a lot of excellent coaches with me,” Ryan said. “It’s just something that we believed. It’s a style. I have one shot to be a head coach in this league and I was going to build it a certain way.
“Whether it’s building a bully or playing like a Jet, whatever it is, this is who’s coming in. This is our football team and this is how we play, and I guess that’s kind of our trademark of how we play. We’re a passionate football team, play snap to whistle, play 60 minutes and that’s the type of team we have and the type of character we have in our room.”
So, it sounds as if we are certain to see at least one bully Sunday. If Jackson has his way, the bully that is the Jets is going to meet his match in the new bully on the block.

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  1. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 9:48 am
    Obviously the Bills coaches knew if there was a chance at beating us it would probably be in the second half due to our schedule and they play fast break football hoping we would not be as sharp and they were right.
    ====================================================
    I think you are looking for boogeymen.

    The Raiders have to stay focused on their responsibilities. This is a team that is not good at that.

    They will dominate a team for 3 quarters and then have a couple WTF moments where someone makes a critical mental error….

    I think this can be a very good team. But you can’t give away one to the bad guys…too many of those and we are talking at the end of the year with “would of, could of, should of”

    How about they just “do it”

    Beat the Jets…the Raiders are the better team…and that shows the progress that’s been made by this organization over the last two years..

    “On paper”

    Now they have to prove it!

  2. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Build a bully Hue!

    Starts up front….like it always does.

    Stop Shonn Greene and their running game…and you win the game…PERIOD

  3. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Raiders better win tomorrow, Im in the dumps..

  4. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Yeah Hue, where are the bullies? I want the bullies, not the brawlers, we saw against Denver, that was humiliating to watch!

  5. priesttj Says:

    IMO it’s going to take at least a year to get that done. JMHO! That does not mean we cannot win this game it only means there are some players still here who need to understand when plays present themselves to be made you cannot fail in making them. When we have a sure sack and don’t get it that hurts. When we have a sure int and don’t get it that kills you. When we have a certain play on offense and it gets dropped or the QB for whatever reason doesn’t make it that hurts.

    We have to STOP the presnap penalties the STOP drives and make us punt. We have to STOP Defensive penalties that extend drives. When we DO THAT we’ll have our Bully fully BIULT. Until we’re stillearning how to be great…………period

  6. HairyBush Says:

    Raiders!

  7. Method To My Madness Says:

    BHP….THE GAME NEEDS OUR ENERGY! PLAYERS FEED OFF OF THAT! WHEN ENERGY IS LAME IN LOT LIKE MIAMI LAST YEAR THEN YOU SEE THE RESULTS. WE THE 12TH MAN HAVE A DUTY. PLUS ITS IMPORTANT THE TAILGATING EXPERIENCE IS DOPE IN OAKLAND……DONT U GET IT?

  8. r8eray Says:

    Yeah….buddy!!!

  9. r8eray Says:

    Here is some love from ESPN…..

    It will be fun to see Oakland use speedster rookies Taiwan Jones and Denarius Moore in the return game. As expected, though, it looks like speedy receiver Jacoby Ford will miss his second straight game with a hamstring injury.
    The Raiders finally get some love by ESPN’s panel of experts in Week 3. The Broncos and Chiefs? Not so much.
    New Oakland tight end Kevin Boss is anxious to play his first game as a Raider on Sunday. He’s been out of a month with a knee injury.

  10. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
    IMO it’s going to take at least a year to get that done. JMHO! That does not mean we cannot win this game it only means there are some players still here who need to understand when plays present themselves to be made you cannot fail in making them. When we have a sure sack and don’t get it that hurts. When we have a sure int and don’t get it that kills you. When we have a certain play on offense and it gets dropped or the QB for whatever reason doesn’t make it that hurts.

    We have to STOP the presnap penalties the STOP drives and make us punt. We have to STOP Defensive penalties that extend drives. When we DO THAT we’ll have our Bully fully BIULT. Until we’re stillearning how to be great…………period
    =====================================================
    Agreed.

    Except one point…I think this team is ready to win right now and that the problems are correctable because the talent is on the roster.

    Priesttj, they gotta give us 4 FOCUSED quarters…and you are right…playmakers got live for the moment.

    They will exorcise those demons tomorrow…the offense will cover for some of the sins on defense.

    Stop the run…win the game!

  11. SilverLining20 Says:

    Lol, Hue’s gotta stop referring to himself in 3rd person. Gives off a vibe like he’s doing this more for himself than the Raiders.

    With that being said, I have faith that he’s gonna have these guys as ready as possible tomorrow.

    I have to compare us to the cowboys game. I think that our offense is just as capable as theirs and our defense just as incapable. I’m sure some will say, they have Rob Ryan and we have Chuck B. but the cowboys D is really lacking in talent other than up front. They had that game and let it fall apart.

    As long as the Raiders are patient on offense and smart on defense (not giving sanchez easy big plays to gain confidence) , I think that we can win this game and come away looking like a real football team.

    I also hope the fans don’t become notoriously quiet just because the jets score one touchdown.

    GO RAIDERS.

  12. Plunketthead Says:

    Tom Brady said it. Get there early and get lubbed up. we need the crowd behind us

  13. priesttj Says:

    Well SnB as far as boogeyman or whatever I’ll leave that up to you. But as far as great strategy and coaching Chan Gailey is a very astute football and any coach know another team has a short week and travels who doesn’t think that way is missing an opportunity.

    Boogeyman aside it worked because we couldn’t tackle and didn’t cover worth a damn like we did in the 1st half. That much is on film son we had players running half speed, to what do you attribute that fact?

    Or maybe I’m wrong, maybe they just weren’t into it. Oh yeah! that’s it they didn’t give a damn…

    Whether you like or not fatigue is a factor in this sport always has been always will be. In the 4th qrtr the fresher sharper team will win most games. You’ll see tomorrow whenn you see a much fresher defense in the 4th qrtr for the Raiders. Given they are not on the field the entire game and fatigue is again in play. It doesn’t mean you WONT win it means you have to have to dig deeper. The Bills were quicker and faster in the 4thqrtr………..period

  14. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    I usually am not much for the rah, rah stuff…but as someone who personally watched the Bills fans will their team in the 2nd half…

    Every fan in Oakland needs to “bring it”

    Pile on when the Jets start faltering…pile on after the sack from Wimbley…or the big play from Moore

    Fans matter and homefield matters

  15. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Priesttj,

    The Raider offense was on-point the whole game. The Raider o-line played about as well a game I have ever seen…run blocking / pass blocking / keeping JC clean…and they did that for 4 quarters.

    Differece between offense and defense? Execution.

    CJ / McClain didn’t cover their guy on that last play. Coach B actually did his job…but it just took one WTF MOMENT…one LAPSE OF CONCENTRATION…that helped lose the game.

    Priesttj, unlike past years…this is a team that I really believe has it together to win this year.

    We just can’t give away games to the bad guys when you have it in hand and have that team beat.

    Tomorrow the Raiders have to bring it again. Especially on 3rd down. And that’s both sides of the ball

  16. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Priesttj

    If there were any boogeymen last week…it was the Buffalo fans.

    They came alive and you could see it they pumped up their offense. Players were waving their arms and interacting with the crowd….feeding on the momentum…and I think the Raider defense got caught up in that.

    The offense handled the pressure very well.

    Hopefully you Oaktown guys give the Jets a taste

  17. lefty12 Says:

    East coast teams KNOW they have an unfair advantage any time a west coast has to come into their stadiums.Last week Gailey knew he had an even bigger advantage and he used it.

  18. SharkCatcher Says:

    Just made it to Alameda with 16 of my boys to watch the Raiders win. Staying at the Extended Stay suites.Had a bomb lil dinner at Bocanova in jack London square last night.My section will be loud and ready to go tomorrow fellas!!

  19. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
    East coast teams KNOW they have an unfair advantage any time a west coast has to come into their stadiums.Last week Gailey knew he had an even bigger advantage and he used it.
    ===========================================
    So Gailey played possum for the 1st half…and then unleashed his “real” playbook in the 2nd half?

    The Raider offense wasn’t “gassed”

    The offense could have scored 60 points that day had the defense got them the ball back.

    Sometimes things just don’t work out.

    I think the next evolution to greatness for the Raiders, and for the sanity of its fans, is to just deal with the game as is. Win or lose and not look for reasons for a loss. Because at the end of the year…they ain’t putting an asterik next to the Bills loss

  20. J Hill Says:

    Taiwan Jones is not going to have an impact in the return game. Rex will realize Jones is no Nicki Miller and there will be nothing but touchbacks.

    Moore returning punts is a different story. I look for Moore to have a couple of nice returns that give us really good field position.

  21. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    And by reasons..I mean reasons that are actionable to correct.

    You can’t correct the time zone…..but you can correct covering your assignment on 4th down with 20 seconds on the clock

  22. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    I am looking for Moore to continue his drive for Rookie of the Year.

    Keep putting it on film Denarious

  23. lefty12 Says:

    Not looking for any reasons or excuses,just looking at facts whether you want to believe them or not.Under normal conditions west coast teams playing 10:00 am east coast games win only 25% of the time.There is no stats about teams that play away Monday night,then are forced to travel from W-E the following Sunday,because I believe last week was the 1st time it has happened.Defensive players always show more fatigue than offensive players in games.They are reacting which uses more energy.

  24. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 Anyone who’s been watching the NFl for 10 years or more knows this is FACT. Commentators everywhere have stated as much yet SOME Raider fans can’t clue into it………LOL

  25. JR77 Says:

    The Jets are a bunch of clowns…watching Hard Knocks and seeing guys act like clowns dancing on stages with the vets laughing was something out of an episode of OZ on HBO….Rex is a clown….I hate him more than Rob….It’s time to bully the bully…no mangold…a washed up LT….an overrated qb…no excuses, this is not an elite team…they need to be exposed!!

  26. Plunketthead Says:

    Touchbacks
    Seabass 11 – 11

    Nick folk 5 -13

  27. J Hill Says:

    Finally rewatching the game.

    Huff and Routt are DAMN good players.

    It’s on film!

  28. Plunketthead Says:

    Typhoon will return one tomorrow in front of the home crowd. Its what he does.

  29. JR77 Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Finally rewatching the game.

    Huff and Routt are DAMN good players.

    It’s on film!

    —————————————–

    Just curious…how many catches did CJ37 allow?

  30. lefty12 Says:

    There is little doubt the Jets have a better D than we do.However,IMO,we have a much better O than they do.Todays league is about scoring points.Look at the best teams and all of them can score in bunches.We are close to being there.

  31. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Lefty,

    What I don’t like about the “gassed” argument is that its smacks more of “woe is me” and “we wuz robbed” mentality. Also, subtly it sends the message that the loss was out of the teams’ control because of the conspiracy.

    Proactively, the West Coast teams should lobby the league…or outright boycott playing those games if the problem is that severe.

    From a coaching perspective….if the problem is enough to put your defense in a situation where it will more likely be uncompetitive in the 2nd half….then they should have flown to Buffalo right after the Denver game.

    All I am saying is if its a problem…that the coach and team hasn’t said,…then do something about it.

    Because the g-d loss counted and I fear it will be a loss that may come back and bite this team at year end

  32. J Hill Says:

    The whole east coast travel time thing is a big ole excuse as far as THIS PAST WEEKEND goes.

    Branch was right there to make an INT in the endzone. How does the travel impact that?

    2 dropped INTs by McClain on that final drive. How does the travel factor in?

    Johnson leaving his man uncovered on that last play when we are in man to man. Travel?

    Johnson mugging his man on a crucial 3rd down.

    I disagree with the travel issue THIS time.

  33. wasbanned Says:

    Raiders beat the Bills then they are 2-0 and need only steal 1 win against either Jets, pats, or Texans to be 3-2 with the Chiefs and Browns on deck.

    That’s 5-2 going into the bye.

    Instead, the Raiders blow a lead, lose momentum, and now risk a collapse if they get blown out by Jets.

    There is a very good chance the Raiders drop the next 3 and go into the bye 3-4 or 2-5.

    That Bills game is the kind of game that changes a season. Seems the Raiders are always on the wrong end of these games lately.

  34. J Hill Says:

    Just curious…how many catches did CJ37 allow?

    —————————————————–

    None in the 1st qtr.

    I’ll keep you posted though.

  35. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
    Lefty12 Anyone who’s been watching the NFl for 10 years or more knows this is FACT. Commentators everywhere have stated as much yet SOME Raider fans can’t clue into it………LOL
    ============================================
    So I guess we started the season 0-1..because it would have taken a “miracle” to win this game?

    Just not how I saw it.

  36. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
    There is little doubt the Jets have a better D than we do.
    =================================================
    I think the Raiders Defense is the best in the league when the players are focused and maintain their responsiblities.

    The front 4 is dominant….Routt is as good as you all said he would be….Wimbley is a pass rusher and Groves has played fairly well.

    I wouldn’t give the Jets shhhhhh

  37. J Hill Says:

    The Jets have Derrelle Revis on D.

    Other than that, I watched that D get lit up by Tono Romo on opening night. They have little to no pass rush without a blitz. They lost big Jenkins in the middle.

    I think we put up at least 28 pts against them with no problem.

  38. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Jhill,

    I agree with your post. More mental breakdowns and not making a play when presented.

    You don’t go 0-5 without it being mental..or error proned.

  39. J Hill Says:

    We faced a better Dline this past weekend against Buffalo than we will see this weekend.

  40. priesttj Says:

    What I don’t like about the “gassed” argument is that its smacks more of “woe is me” and “we wuz robbed” mentality. Also, subtly it sends the message that the loss was out of the teams’ control because of the conspiracy.
    ************************************************

    This is an uninformed comment, because if you know anything about this league this is an age old argument. Even in the PLAYOFFS this is argued. NO ONE is saying that is the REASON we lost I’m saying when you look at our defense it was smart strategy for Gailey to use that fast break offense in this situation not saying it’s not his basic O I’m saying we needed to make plays to stop them or the likelyhood of giving up points in the second half was great. Knowing we played on MNF and had to travel. Any NFL coach worth his salt would probably guess if they threw at us enough they could score. Unless we got picks but we DROPPED them.

  41. J Hill Says:

    Just realized we put up zero points in the 1st and 3rd qtrs of the Buff game.

    DAMN!!!!

  42. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Priesttj,

    If I were the West coast teams (Arizona, SF, SD, Den, Seattle and Oakland) I would BOYCOTT those games.

    If they aren’t willing to fight this…then its a lost cause…because I am sure if they felt it was that much of a disadvantage…their owners would do something about it.

    But they don’t and the damn game was scheduled.

    Otherwise, I would accuse the NFL of fixing games…because they should not charge top ticket price for a game featuring a tired team on the field vs. a fresh team.

    And I am serious with my above statement…

  43. lefty12 Says:

    According to Brian Bellick and Mora JR,west coast teams have for years tried to get it so when a west coast team goes east games would be played at 4:00PM east coast time which would be 1:00PM west coast time.ALL the teams on the east coast fight this because they KNOW they have an unfair advantage.Those are the words of ex-coaches.THEY KNOW THE ADVANTAGE IS UNFAIR and fight to keep that advantage.The reason the western teams can’t get it changed-look how many teams are on each side of the Mississippi River,it will answer the question.

  44. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am
    Just realized we put up zero points in the 1st and 3rd qtrs of the Buff game.
    ==========================================
    Didn’t really have the ball much in the 3rd QTR after the DMAC fumble

  45. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    According to Brian Bellick and Mora JR,west coast teams have for years tried to get it so when a west coast team goes east games would be played at 4:00PM east coast time which would be 1:00PM west coast time.ALL the teams on the east coast fight this because they KNOW they have an unfair advantage.Those are the words of ex-coaches.THEY KNOW THE ADVANTAGE IS UNFAIR and fight to keep that advantage.The reason the western teams can’t get it changed-look how many teams are on each side of the Mississippi River,it will answer the question.
    -===============================================
    Lawsuit

  46. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    No doubt in my mind CJ and the DBs are the weak link!!! With the exception of Routt.

  47. priesttj Says:

    Jhill I hope you’re right man, because I have not seen the Jets yet. I they have to blitz to get pressure is true I say we have a better than average chance to beat them. Blitzing exposes a defense as much as it helps it. If we can get a few screens to break on them we’ll blow them out. But we have to make plays on defense as well. Sanchez is going to throw us the ball we have to CATCH IT………….period

  48. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am
    According to Brian Bellick and Mora JR,west coast teams have for years tried to get it so when a west coast team goes east games would be played at 4:00PM east coast time which would be 1:00PM west coast time.ALL the teams on the east coast fight this because they KNOW they have an unfair advantage
    =============================================
    Again, if the East coast teams are willingly building in an unfair advantage…despite statistcal evidence etc…

    Then I would have to say what else is wrong with the league?

    Is the competition manufactured like WWE to keep the ratings up?

  49. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am
    Just realized we put up zero points in the 1st and 3rd qtrs of the Buff game.

    DAMN!!!!
    ===============================================
    When Jacoby Ford returns…this offense is going to be unbelievably tough to deal with as long as the O-line keeps blocking.

    Kevin Boss will have a big game tomorrow as the middle opens up

  50. J Hill Says:

    Is Meyers going to be active this weekend with Boss back?

    Gordon is a part of the goaline package, so he is assured to be active.

  51. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 it’s an age old arguemnt, even when we beat Cleveland in that ice cold game in Cleveland Mr D’s major complaint was we were playing an early on Sunday after traveling. Thank God Mike Davis made the play of his life in the endzone. I wish Branch or CJ had done the same thing this past Sunday.

  52. DaTruth91 Says:

    I wish i could be there at the game….but that sh1t better be rocking and loud as hell, because the team needs it…

    Fcuk the Jets, there puzzies that are just all talk

    1. Run DMC down there throat, set up the play action,
    2. Get to mark sanches and stop the big play runs
    3. raiders win

  53. priesttj Says:

    BTW that was a playoff game.

  54. Method To My Madness Says:

    CODE BLACK

  55. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
    Is Meyers going to be active this weekend with Boss back?

    Gordon is a part of the goaline package, so he is assured to be active.
    ===============================================
    Depends on which player the coaches think is the better blocker in regular packages. Is it Meyers or Gordon?

    Whichever one gets the nod. Personally, I would deactivate Nick Miller

  56. J Hill Says:

    Stevie Johnson just beat CJ37 for a 15 yd gain at the 7 min mark of the 2nd qtr.

  57. J Hill Says:

    Just got beat again for a 1st dn 2 plays later,

  58. Yamacan Man Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
    Did anyone notice that Dom Capers yes THE Dom who just won a SB. He defense gave up 432 passing to a rookie shoule he get fired as well? Breshnahan has coached 2 games and you guys want him fired. If that is the case maybe every DC in the game better start looking for jobs because if that’s all it takes then no one is safe.
    —————————-
    While I do agree with you, the problem is that we have seen this before. Its not like this only his 2nd game, but it is his second time around. Tomorrow will be the tell all of what to expect.

  59. J Hill Says:

    It was really toss and catch too as CJ was 7 yds off the 1st time and 5 yds off the 2nd time.

  60. nutso01 Says:

    I’m coming for you lil girl… A bullet shatters your world

  61. CJ Legend 34 Says:

    CJ37 will not make it through the whole season.

    We have to get another DB next year.

  62. Method To My Madness Says:

    It will be a zoo tomorrow….you just have no clue how

  63. DaTruth91 Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
    Stevie Johnson just beat CJ37 for a 15 yd gain at the 7 min mark of the 2nd qtr.

    ^^^^^^^^^^^
    im glad you pointed that out, because the idea that the Bills offense just blow up in the 2nd half is wrong. they drove on the raiders before the half, doing the same dink and dunk offense…and Brenshan wasent able to adjust to that…smh

  64. big oak boy Says:

    just got a sitter so i can go to the game sitting in a box hell yeah

  65. La Milicia Negra Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Finally rewatching the game.

    Huff and Routt are DAMN good players.

    It’s on film!
    _____________________________________________________

    YUP, and Chris Johnson was horrible.. Giordano wasnt good either!

  66. JR77 Says:

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Finally rewatching the game.

    Huff and Routt are DAMN good players.

    It’s on film!
    _____________________________________________________

    YUP, and Chris Johnson was horrible.. Giordano wasnt good either!

    ——————————–

    You left out Boyd getting exposed….should not be activated this week…practice squad material along with Miller

  67. Method To My Madness Says:

    Big Oak Boy Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
    just got a sitter so i can go to the game sitting in a box hell yeah
    **************************

    YES!…sure its on TV locally but you cant miss this one baby!

  68. big oak boy Says:

    we will win now that im going to be in the builcing

  69. priesttj Says:

    THIRTY FIVE SECOND HALF POINTS isn’t blowing up?

    The what is?

    Their offense moved the ball in the 1st half but we couldn’t STOP them in the 2nd half.

  70. lefty12 Says:

    Why do so many have such a difficult time understanding that all a coach can do is give the players the correct calls to be in position to make plays and it is then on the players to make those plays?Our players were in position to make numerous plays last week.They failed to make the plays.So why do so many blame the DC?

  71. big oak boy Says:

    La Milicia Negra Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am

    Finally rewatching the game.

    Huff and Routt are DAMN good players.

    It’s on film!
    _____________________________________________________

    YUP, and Chris Johnson was horrible.. Giordano wasnt good either!

    Giordano made a business decision on that Fred Jackson td run

  72. Method To My Madness Says:

    Big Oak Boy Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:32 am
    we will win now that im going to be in the builcing
    ************************

    B@uce agrees with this post

  73. J Hill Says:

    Just saw that Branch hit on Johnson again.

    That was such a BS call. GEEEEZZZEEEE.

    The ref called the play an incomplete pass and THEN there was a hit on a defenseless player.

    BS!!!!

    Johnson had the ball, got 2 feet down, and tries to turn around and gets blasted. We should have had the ball around midfield with a minute left on the clock.

    DAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!!!

  74. priesttj Says:

    I think we have to keep Boyd at least until MM34 gets back. Injuries are definitely having an affect on our efficiency. I’m not syaing MM34 will be great immediately but I can definitely see a difference in the enthusiasm of this defense with him not there. That guy gets the defense juiced and he’s extremely active.

  75. Method To My Madness Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
    Why do so many have such a difficult time understanding that all a coach can do is give the players the correct calls to be in position to make plays and it is then on the players to make those plays?Our players were in position to make numerous plays last week.They failed to make the plays.So why do so many blame the DC?
    ************************

    Only one coach takes blame…its Hue. But he took blame himself. I respect that so we move on from Buffalo game. Players gotta make plays…no doubt

  76. Method To My Madness Says:

    Priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
    I think we have to keep Boyd at least until MM34 gets back. Injuries are definitely having an affect on our efficiency. I’m not syaing MM34 will be great immediately but I can definitely see a difference in the enthusiasm of this defense with him not there. That guy gets the defense juiced and he’s extremely active.
    ************************************

    Man that dude smacks people. Someone gonna get slept when he gets back

  77. Method To My Madness Says:

    Boyd fking sucks

  78. J Hill Says:

    You left out Boyd getting exposed….

    —————————————————–

    Haven’t seen Boyd give up one play yet.

    Almost a half time.

    Maybe you are confusing him with Giordano?

  79. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Priesttj,

    Perhaps your right. I really believe legal action should be considered. Game fixing anyway you want to describe it when you KNOWINGLY give one team an unfair advantage yet present to the public the idea of a fair and equal matchup.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/38404/west-coast-teams-uphill-fight-with-nfl

  80. J Hill Says:

    McClain is whiffing on plays that I’ve never seen him whiff on ….

    Screens and dumpoffs.

    He’s usually VERY good at stopping those.

    Good thgin Buff missed the kick.

  81. Method To My Madness Says:

    Guys…come on….the buffalo game still? There is nothing to look at. We play the JETS tomorrow

  82. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    B&uce,

    Raiders got this. You gotta get on that front 4 though. Tell’em to to keep Shonn Greene off the highlight reel

  83. J Hill Says:

    1st play of the 2nd half, CJ37 gives up a 20 yds PI call.

  84. priesttj Says:

    Why do so many have such a difficult time understanding that all a coach can do is give the players the correct calls to be in position to make plays and it is then on the players to make those plays?Our players were in position to make numerous plays last week.They failed to make the plays.So why do so many blame the DC?

    *****************************************************

    I would LOVE to know the answer to this ? What exactly do you guys think the coach could’ve done. Strategically speaking exactly what could he have DONE??

    They were running 3-4 wides and a fast HB in the passing game against a tired defense. What was he supposed to do that he didn’t do?

  85. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I look for Tiawan Jones to bring the KO out of the endzone as long as it isn’t 7 or 8 yards deep.

  86. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    STop Shon Greene — Win the game!

  87. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    The corruption in this country is unbelievable. Total sell-out to the dollar. Goodell should be ashamed of himself.

    http://espn.go.com/blog/nfcwest/post/_/id/2629/goodell-no-plans-to-curb-early-wakeup-calls

  88. priesttj Says:

    The jets are 2-0 with virtually no running game. There’s a little more to this, BUT your sentiments are mine. If they run their playaction game is very good.

  89. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    DC not to blame last week. Players didn’t execute.

    They worked all week on stopping the short passing game and know what they have to do now.

    Still about executing the game plan…..

    An weak plan perfectly executed beats a great plan poorly executed

  90. lefty12 Says:

    Priest,i believe it is because they have to have a scapegoat,and at times that would mean saying something negative against a player they may like.We know that if some on here like a player he can do no wrong,so it must be the coaches fault.Also,too many have a difficult time accepting the fact that the other team is also full of professional players and sometimes those guys will just beat your guys.

  91. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 think about it the Pat’s the Jets the Giants Pitts all the league big names are on the eastcoast they would lambaste his asss if he even thought about it.

  92. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Make the Jets one-dimensional….will allow the Raider defense to pin their ears back and just harrass Sanchez……Raiders are very good when they make the opponent one-dimensional

    Set the tone early

  93. FarEastRaider Says:

    After 2wks of play this Raider team has already shown that it’ll have a chance to win Every Sunday against Any team…i truly believe that! This is still a young team but i see them getting better week to week. Last week we put up 35pts without Kevin Boss (and 3 of our top WR’s and with bad drive starts – thanks to suckass Miller). Boss would’ve helped sustain drives in the 3rd quarter and keep our D from getting gassed in the 4th. Yes, CJ had a terrible game and Giordano couldn’t make a tackle to save his life. Once Mitchell gets healthy it’ll help big time. Keep the faith Nation, this 2011 team is No Joke! IMO, we’re just an upgrade at Safety, CB, and LB away from being a complete juggernaut!! (ps- Jano will make the ProBowl this year)

    Go RAIDERS!!!!

  94. JR77 Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am

    You left out Boyd getting exposed….

    —————————————————–

    Haven’t seen Boyd give up one play yet.

    Almost a half time.

    Maybe you are confusing him with Giordano?

    ——————————————–

    Keep watching…2nd half he gives up a TD and gets exposed…he is a rookie though…cant expect wonders out of a rookie DB out of Oregon

  95. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Who is the Darren McFadden of the defense?

    Need for Seymour, TK, Wimbley or Routt to give us an elite level game tomorrow.

    Will pick up the defense and allow others to make plays too

  96. raiderkoolaid Says:

    If Campbell plays well and The Raiders use all of their weapons on offense, I believe this team is one of the top 3 offenses in the NFL, with only NO and GB at the same level. No team, not even GB or NO has as many weapons on offense. Campbell and Hue Jackson just have to do their part and get the ball to all of these weapons.

  97. J Hill Says:

    Raiders rolling right down the field to answer that first score fro the Bills after halftime …..

    DMac fumbles on our own side of the field.

    DAMMMMMMM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  98. JR77 Says:

    I am still waiting for Rod Woodson to make his presence felt…he has the most important coaching job as of right now and im not impressed so far

  99. club seats Says:

    if the d can play without getting gassed, we might have a chance to beat the jets.

  100. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Tomorrow will be physical to be sure.

    Watch the line play very carefully. That will determine the game more than anything

  101. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 The only way the commisioner could do it is the west coast teams would have to unite against the east coast teams and refuse to play them. Until it’s changed east coast teams have feasted on west coast teams for years based on that time zone change.

  102. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Defense has to buck up and execute.

    They have an offense that can move the ball…but that doesn’t mean they can afford to get lazy.

  103. raiderkoolaid Says:

    It was frustrating because The Raiders only needed to make one more play to win that game, and they had multiple oppertunities to make that one more play.

  104. Method To My Madness Says:

    Tyvon Branch is gonna be key…Keller a good TE

  105. lefty12 Says:

    East coast teams will never allow any adjustments to be made,but the league really screwed up this year with our schedule.I’ve heard a lot of people talk about it.But as HJ says,it is what it is,we just have to play through it.Lets just kick the Jests a$$es and move forward.

  106. priesttj Says:

    Jhill I honestly believe we score an additional 7 and they score 7 less. They had a ver hard time stopping our O and we were ROLLING when he gave it up. It changed the dynamics of the game.

  107. Method To My Madness Says:

    They are gonna spread us out and run the ball and then do the short pass. Sanchez is mobile so we better have a smart plan for tomorrow’s game.

  108. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    Lefty12 The only way the commisioner could do it is the west coast teams would have to unite against the east coast teams and refuse to play them.
    =================================
    The West Coast teams need to do this. They also should consider legal action if it can’t be resolved internally.

    True challenge to the integrity of the NFL game. Supposed to have to equal teams…when you are selling something else…the NFL is committing fraud

  109. raiderkoolaid Says:

    You are right, the defense needs to buck up, but at the same time I hope that the offense, including the coaches have the mentality to keep scoring and bury a team if you have the chance to. No sitting of leads and giving the other team hope.

  110. priesttj Says:

    If DMC doesn’t fumble we win 42-31 Raider win.

  111. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
    East coast teams will never allow any adjustments to be made,but the league
    =====================================
    That’s what the courts are for. The NFL said in the article that they do this for television reasons.

    Again, its fraud to advertise a fair competition but actually put a rigged show on the field and charge full price

  112. Method To My Madness Says:

    Why are you guys stuck on Buffalo? Its over. Let it go. Tomorrow is here. Those players aint thinking bout the bills

  113. raiderkoolaid Says:

    The Raiders are scheduled to play at 10AM six times this year. The chargers only once, and on that one time they are coming off their bye and have two weeks to prepare.

  114. Guy Says:

    The if game doesnt really work here priest, of else we could go on and on about sooo many defensive players.

  115. Method To My Madness Says:

    Priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    If DMC doesn’t fumble we win 42-31 Raider win.
    ******************************************

    And the JETS?

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    ContactFeedsAdvertisingPrivacy PolicyPFT GearDenarius Moore bests Cam Newton for Pepsi Rookie of the Week
    Posted by Mike Florio on September 24, 2011, 2:46 PM EDT
    In a year of quarterbacks, receivers have taken the rookie hardware, so far.

    For Week One, Packers receiver Randall Cobb was named the NFL.com Pepsi Rookie of the Week, with a receiving touchdown and a 108-yard kickoff return beating out Cam Newton and his 422 yards passing, a record for a rookie debut.

    In Week Two, Newton again was eclipsed, despite throwing for a rookie record 432 yards passing.

    Raiders receiver Denarius Moore, the 19th receiver taken in the 2011 draft, won the award with 146 receiving yards, 25 rushing yards, and a touchdown.

    It wasn’t surprising that the prize based on fan voting went to a Packer over a Panther in Week One. The fact that an Oakland player finagled the thing from Newton in Week Two means that Raider Nation is back, baby.

    Meanwhile, let’s see which rookie receiver Newton will lose to this weekend, after throwing for 442 yards.

    The other finalists for the Week Two award were Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, Bucs linebacker Mason Foster, and Dolphins running back Daniel Thomas. Foster was the only candidate from a team that actually won its game.

  117. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    If DMC doesn’t fumble we win 42-31 Raider win.
    ===============================================
    Perhaps….but turnovers are part of the game…on both sides. Gotta make the play.

    IN the Denver gm Ford fumbled at the 10 yard line and the defense held……..DMAC fumbles at the Bills 45 and Raider D couldn’t do anything.

  118. Plunketthead Says:

    Denarius Moore bests Cam Newton for Pepsi Rookie of the Week
    Posted by Mike Florio on September 24, 2011, 2:46 PM EDT
    In a year of quarterbacks, receivers have taken the rookie hardware, so far.

    For Week One, Packers receiver Randall Cobb was named the NFL.com Pepsi Rookie of the Week, with a receiving touchdown and a 108-yard kickoff return beating out Cam Newton and his 422 yards passing, a record for a rookie debut.

    In Week Two, Newton again was eclipsed, despite throwing for a rookie record 432 yards passing.

    Raiders receiver Denarius Moore, the 19th receiver taken in the 2011 draft, won the award with 146 receiving yards, 25 rushing yards, and a touchdown.

    It wasn’t surprising that the prize based on fan voting went to a Packer over a Panther in Week One. The fact that an Oakland player finagled the thing from Newton in Week Two means that Raider Nation is back, baby.

    Meanwhile, let’s see which rookie receiver Newton will lose to this weekend, after throwing for 442 yards.

    The other finalists for the Week Two award were Bengals quarterback Andy Dalton, Bucs linebacker Mason Foster, and Dolphins running back Daniel Thomas. Foster was the only candidate from a team that actually won its game.

  119. Angry Villager with Pitchfork Says:

    @Priesttj:

    Curious to know your thoughts on R. McClain? Some people in here think he’s terrible.

    I think it’s too soon to pass judgement R. McClain. He’s entering into his second NFL season.

    I don’t know if he’ll ever be like R. Lewis or P. Willis but I root for the kid.

  120. Method To My Madness Says:

    Raiderkoolaid Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
    The Raiders are scheduled to play at 10AM six times this year. The chargers only once, and on that one time they are coming off their bye and have two weeks to prepare.
    ******************************

    So what?

    Good make it tough on us…its gonna be that much sweeter when we still rise and take the WEST

  121. lefty12 Says:

    As Romo said after the game-McFaddens fumble cost us the game,but the fumble isn’t the reason we lost the game.So difficult for many to understand,yet so true.

  122. Plunketthead Says:

    Best quote from the article:

    The fact that an Oakland player finagled the thing from Newton in Week Two means that Raider Nation is back, baby.

  123. JR77 Says:

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    Lefty12 The only way the commisioner could do it is the west coast teams would have to unite against the east coast teams and refuse to play them.
    =================================
    The West Coast teams need to do this. They also should consider legal action if it can’t be resolved internally.

    True challenge to the integrity of the NFL game. Supposed to have to equal teams…when you are selling something else…the NFL is committing fraud

    ====================================
    This goes back to the whole east coast bias crap..BSPN wants to keep those games at 1 pm eastern so that they have ample time to cover the east coast teams. They need Sal Paolantonio to make his sorry reports on time…NFL doesnt care about west coast teams

  124. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    As Romo said after the game-McFaddens fumble cost us the game,but the fumble isn’t the reason we lost the game.So difficult for many to understand,yet so true.
    =====================================
    DMAC is #12 on the list of “cost us the game” though.

  125. J Hill Says:

    Lefty,

    Our offense played from whistle to whistle pretty effectively. No signs of the “early wake up call”, eh?

    Buffalo’s defense was well rested and couldn’t stop our offense either.

    It’s simply an excuse your throwing our there for our D, imo.

    I don’t see how only one side of the ball can be impacted by this east coast thing.

  126. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Beating the Jets comes down to stopping the running game and making them one-dimensioal.

    Make Mark Sanchez beat you.

    I want to see Shonn green with about 35 yards rushing at halftime.

    Not worried about Plaxico….would like to see Routt shadow the hot receiver if necessary.

  127. Method To My Madness Says:

    SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    As Romo said after the game-McFaddens fumble cost us the game,but the fumble isn’t the reason we lost the game.So difficult for many to understand,yet so true.
    =====================================
    DMAC is #12 on the list of “cost us the game” though.
    **********************************

    What number on the list will he have for the win vs the JETS?

  128. priesttj Says:

    If Camp is sharp I think we’ll win this game anyway. But he has to be good in the short to intermediate passing game. And we have to shake DMC loose at least 4-5 times on runs if we can do that they can’t beat us.

    Camp has to be better than Sanchez and DMC has to be the best player on the field tomorrow.

  129. No Mas Diamante Says:

    Lokking forward to the Moore / Revis match up. Lot of teams are sorry they passed on Moore in the draft.

  130. Guy Says:

    Priest i might have missed it but what are your thoughts on McClain and CJ37?

  131. Method To My Madness Says:

    SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Beating the Jets comes down to stopping the running game and making them one-dimensioal.

    Make Mark Sanchez beat you.

    I want to see Shonn green with about 35 yards rushing at halftime.

    Not worried about Plaxico….would like to see Routt shadow the hot receiver if necessary.
    ******************************************

    I say put CJ on Holmes….Routt on Burress

    I think we can stop the run vs them. RoBeast will be in effect

  132. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Ba&uce,

    Tomorrow comes down to that Defensive Line…again.

    They have to be clogging up the lanes and containing the Shonn Greene.

    The defense needs to keep accounting of LT in the screen game….

    Defense will be the success factor tomorrow.

    If the Raiders stop the run…they will give the offense more shots on the field….

    Defense has to make it their personal responsibility to get off the field on the 3rd down

    Make the Jets one-dimensional

  133. J Hill Says:

    CJ 37 gives up another pass at the 6 min mark of the 3rd qtr, JR77.

    1st dn Bills.

  134. Method To My Madness Says:

    No Mas Diamante Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
    Lokking forward to the Moore / Revis match up. Lot of teams are sorry they passed on Moore in the draft.

    **************************

    Hagan/Cromartie

  135. lefty12 Says:

    Do you ever hear announcers say the offense is getting tired when a team has a long drive-NO.But you always hear them say the D is grasping for air on long drives.Do you ever hear the announcers saying the offense is tiring late in games-NO,but you always hear them say the D is getting tired.The reason-one is reacting to the other and that requires more energy,thus they get tired while the O doesn’t.

  136. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Ba&uce,

    True enough Rolondo knows he’s got to atone. This is a game he should be able to do it.

    The Jets are a north / south team. Romac has to get to the spot and run through the ball carrier

  137. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Lefty,

    I think the Bills game is over with too. I think we were all frustrated as all hell and its like picking on a scab to keep talking about it.

    I am done with it.

    Gotta beat the Jets and get everything back on track.

    Run defense will be the key tomorrow. It will set the tone…put pressure on Sanchez and force turnovers.

    I hope you West Coast guys make it tough for Sanchez in the huddle

  138. priesttj Says:

    Angry Villager…….I think Romac is still very young the schemes he’s seeing now are so advanced over what he saw in school and they have far superior athletes running them. He is in the eye of the storm game in game out. he will gte better as did Beikert as he plays and gains experience to read keys. The key to playing great MLB is how quickly you can key the run or the pass. And your ability to read and react has to speed up. He’s still learning and we as fans are very impatient with 1st rnd draft picks. He has to take the heat but IMO he is going to be eventually an outstanding player. He may not get there as fast as they wnat him to or we ourselves but he’ll get there and I base that on his work ethic.

  139. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    McClain is doing a very good job against the passing game.

    I am not worried about McClain. The front 4 will determine how successfull McClain will be against the run

  140. J Hill Says:

    Defenses getting gashed has more to do with them not getting off the field on 3rd down.

    Offenses try and wear down defenses no matter what the time zone is.

    Rest and at home, Buffalo couldn’t stop us, just like we couldn’t stop them.

    Buffalo made the play on their opportunity for a turnover, and we did not. Simple as that.

  141. Method To My Madness Says:

    SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
    Ba&uce,

    Tomorrow comes down to that Defensive Line…again.

    They have to be clogging up the lanes and containing the Shonn Greene.

    The defense needs to keep accounting of LT in the screen game….

    Defense will be the success factor tomorrow.

    If the Raiders stop the run…they will give the offense more shots on the field….

    Defense has to make it their personal responsibility to get off the field on the 3rd down

    Make the Jets one-dimensional
    ****************************************

    I expect Seymour to be pumped up and play well.

    Shaughnessy vs Ferguson and Houston vs Ducasse will be interesting

    Kelly is who I’ll be looking at the most.

  142. lefty12 Says:

    If our offense plays to their capability tomorrow,the Jests can’t keep up with us.Look around the league.Defenses are just required to make enough plays to give the offense more chances.I know people who like defensive football don’t like to hear it,but offensives rule in this league now.You have to be able to outscore your opponent.

  143. priesttj Says:

    Guy I hope you my commnets on RoMac #post138 but as far as CJ is concerned I just think he doesn’t appreciate how talented he is. He panics which is frustrating all he has to do is like Routt use consistent technigue and relie on that. He can play very well when he does it’s those 3-4 games a year when he falls apart almost that he has take out of his game. Routt is consistent that’s why he’s so good CJ is inconsistent yet just as talented as Routt.

  144. Method To My Madness Says:

    SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    Lefty,

    I think the Bills game is over with too. I think we were all frustrated as all hell and its like picking on a scab to keep talking about it.

    I am done with it.

    Gotta beat the Jets and get everything back on track.

    Run defense will be the key tomorrow. It will set the tone…put pressure on Sanchez and force turnovers.

    I hope you West Coast guys make it tough for Sanchez in the huddle
    ****************************************

    WHAT?……you just dont know bruh. You have no clue how its buzzing round here

  145. J Hill Says:

    McClain is doing a very good job against the passing game.

    —————————————————-

    defending passes, I’d agree.

    Tackling has been surprisingly lacking against the pass plays though.

    Usually pretty solid so don’t see that being a lingering issue.

  146. Method To My Madness Says:

    Priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    Guy I hope you my commnets on RoMac #post138 but as far as CJ is concerned I just think he doesn’t appreciate how talented he is. He panics which is frustrating all he has to do is like Routt use consistent technigue and relie on that. He can play very well when he does it’s those 3-4 games a year when he falls apart almost that he has take out of his game. Routt is consistent that’s why he’s so good CJ is inconsistent yet just as talented as Routt.
    ************************************

    Our CBs gonna come to play tomorrow

  147. J Hill Says:

    We are going to need Glo to throw the ball well and often tomorrow. We need to send a 4th rec out in patterns tomorrow to free up Moore deep. After what he put on film this past weekend, their will certainly be a S on top of him. Even if Revis is on him.

  148. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Lefty,

    Usually the great offense vs… poor defense is one of resources. Typically a team with a great offense does so by investing in players on that side of the ball vs the other.

    The Raiders have invested A LOT in the defense.

    We should expect that defense to play at a high standard…not just make enough plays.

    It was designed and paid to be a dominant force…and they have the players to do so.

    THe fact that the offense is putting points on the board should make their job easier…not give them an excuse to go worse

  149. J Hill Says:

    Another catch against Johnson, JR77

    That 4 catches against and 2 penalties and we are still in the 3rd qtr.

  150. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Someone better check on Terrapin Raider…..

    Temple delivering the Terps a beatdown in their home stadium

  151. Method To My Madness Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    We are going to need Glo to throw the ball well and often tomorrow. We need to send a 4th rec out in patterns tomorrow to free up Moore deep. After what he put on film this past weekend, their will certainly be a S on top of him. Even if Revis is on him.
    ****************************

    I dont think we need to throw it often. We gotta run the ball. Playing into the JETS hands passing so often

  152. antispy3 Says:

    Remember, folks, the lack of OTA’s & the like will continue to effect EVERY team for the entire season. Some teams more than others, but nobody will be immune to the up & down nature of performances this year.

    That means every PRACTICE has more impact than ever before. Y’all are eviscerating the Jets “D” for their opening day performance, failing to give the aspects of the Cowboys team that adversely effected the Jets road to domination credit. Like me you may utterly HATE the Cowgirls, but they have talent & playmakers. Just ask the 40Whiners.

    Did any of you watch the Jets-Jags tilt last week?
    Jacksonville is admittedly an inferior team, but the Jets defense returned to the formula that they are known for; the safeties & linebackers effectively eliminate the short passing game because their elite corners take so much of the field away by their play (Hayes-Haynes, anybody? Asmougha/Routt, well, let’s not make that mistake. . .). Their run blitzes are even more effective than their pass blitz; if we have ANY success picking up the blitz I’ll be anticipating a big play in the passing game. But they are getting better by the game. The performance of the Raiders Oline & blocking schemes in particular will be paramount. The Jets will not afford the Raiders the looks they have enjoyed the first two weeks of the season. The Jets play a relatively (with all their blitzes)disciplined run “D.” Denver & the Bills? Not so much.

    Y’all remember the games of 2008 & 2009. Remember the frustration mounting as the game went on? man, these guys won’t let us run!

    What was the final score in 2009? Remember that the Raiders were shut out. So, when y’all start running your mouths remember, this is going to be a fierce defensive struggle, primarily due to the fact defense is the Jets strength but I can’t see where four practices with a diminished Oline will significantly improve the Jets Oline woes (Hunter is going to get lit up tomorrow, as will their LG & Baxter, their overwhelmed (to be) center. Could get pretty ugly for the Jets. They’ll probably try to spread things out to protect their QB. Hopefully CJ can play press coverage this week; need that against the spread. I kept yelling @ the game last week, “what’s CJ doing playing 7-10 cushion? Against the spread? Can’t play the short passing game that way; unless your CB is hurt. Oh, I get it. . .hopefully Van Dyke is full go . He got cleated & ripped up his leg. . .that’s bizarre.

    So, the Jets leck of offense conbined with their dominant deffense will be the prevailing stories tomorrow. How will the Raiders do matching up? Can they harness the Jets blitz & take advantage of the Jets offensive woes? There’s no deep speed to speak of, no speed
    @ all from the Jets “O (save for Keller, their TE whom can’t block); if the Raiders can make the Jets one dimensional & effectively challenge the Jets passing game, eliminate turnovers & mental mistakes, like an actual playoff team, then they have more than half a chance. . .

    These are the Jets, but they may not be the ready for prime time Jets. Time for the Raiders to take advantage!

    Raiders 20, Jets (grounded)13. . .

    Offense will be @ a premium on both sides of the ball.
    Remember; the Jets will have had eight prectices betwen the Cowboys game & tomorrow’s tilt. The Jets “D” is coming together. Obviously this is where you would like the “bully” to step up & acquaint itself with the so-called NFL Elite. This is statement time.

    Is the Raiders Oline too young for the moment? This is where Jared Veldheer acquaints himself as an elite LT. This is where the fruits of the past two drafts have to step up & let the NFL know this; not only are the Raiders here to play NOW, but down the road? Every year reinforcements are on the way through the draft & aspiring free agents. This is where the Raiders HAVE to make their statement to the NFL.

    This is a prime opportunity. BSPN still has the Jets rated #3 with a bullet this week (conversely the Raiders are 20th). Yet four of their seven talking heads favor the Raiders (Madden maddingly has the Jets winning late in the contest for the second straight week).

    So; the converts are ready to take their place on the bandwagon. But the challenge is clearly out there. A Jets team that, to me is taking on the apperance of a paper tiger (blow some more hot air,Rex! your unfullfilled promises may very well yet line your path outta town) may be the identity of the team the Raiders HAVE to beat in order to stake their claim as “Bullies of the NFL.”

  153. J Hill Says:

    B,

    As our resident Raider defensive alignment expert, why do our LBs line up 6 yds off the LOS?

  154. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
    If our offense plays to their capability tomorrow,the Jests can’t keep up with us.Look
    ===========================================
    That’s true…but the Jets have a good defense too.

    Therefore, the Raider defense can really help the cause by not turning the game into a shoot out

  155. lefty12 Says:

    What the hell are you talking about”not give them an excuse to go worse”?It is obvious to anyone willing to see that to be successful in the NFL you have to have an explosive offense.The league has made numerous rule changes that benefit the offenses.It is an offensive league.GB,NE,NO,Indy,even the Stealers-they all have explosive offenses and they win regularly.I believe,we are entering that group.

  156. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Temple delivering the Terps a beatdown in their home stadium

    151.Method To My Madness Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
    We are going to need Glo to throw the ball well and often tomorrow. We need to send a 4th rec out in patterns tomorrow to free up Moore deep. After what he put on film this past weekend, their will certainly be a S on top of him. Even if Revis is on him.
    ****************************

    I dont think we need to throw it often. We gotta run the ball. Playing into the JETS hands passing so often

    ==================================================
    Agreed. You want to run the ball well and force the Jets to bring in the extra guy or two…then you will see Moore win that 1-1 matchup

  157. Method To My Madness Says:

    I dont think the JETS run defense is that good. I hope Carlisle and Satele ready to blow open some holes

  158. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    What the hell are you talking about”not give them an excuse to go worse”?It is obvious to anyone willing to see that to be successful in the NFL you have to have an explosive offense.The league has made numerous rule changes that benefit the offenses.It is an offensive league.GB,NE,NO,Indy,even the Stealers-they all have explosive offenses and they win regularly.I believe,we are entering that group.
    ==================================================
    I just don’t think its an either / or proposition.

    The Raiders should be able to play great offense and great defense and no excuses should be made otherwise.

    Although I think the offense is very remarkable given the number of young players on the o-line and at receiver

  159. Method To My Madness Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    B,

    As our resident Raider defensive alignment expert, why do our LBs line up 6 yds off the LOS?
    ************************

    Well when you come to a game look toward the northwest part of the stadium and look into one of those boxes…you will get a good idea as to why

  160. priesttj Says:

    If DMC gets loose the Jets are in trouble….

  161. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Lefty,

    The Raiders have Seymour, he is the highest paid defensive player in the league and is elite at his position

    Tommy Kelly is considered by many on here as a pro-bowl caliber player…at least against the pass

    Kameron Wimbley was rewarded with a high contract for his pressure on the QB

    McClain is a number 1 draft pick who is among the best young linebackers in the league

    Stanford Routt appears to be as advertised by you and others

    Huff is a good free safety and Shaughnessy and Houston are very good Defensive Ends.

    Why should we not expect that defense to go out and dominate

  162. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 SnB will drive you nuts man………LOL
    He just says the same thing over and over again……..LOL

  163. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Method To My Madness Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
    B,

    As our resident Raider defensive alignment expert, why do our LBs line up 6 yds off the LOS?
    ************************

    Well when you come to a game look toward the northwest part of the stadium and look into one of those boxes…you will get a good idea as to why
    ===============================================
    LOL

  164. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
    Lefty12 SnB will drive you nuts man………LOL
    He just says the same thing over and over again……..LOL
    ==================================
    Your damn right.

    When the opponent can’t score….they can’t win

  165. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    “You’re”

  166. lefty12 Says:

    In reality,nobody in the NFL plays GREAT defense,the rules have made it damn near impossible.Look at the scores every week.When the GBs and NEs play,they score against everyone.The way they continually win is by outscoring everyone else.They don’t have great defenses.Their Ds are just good enough to make a few stops during the game thereby giving their Os that many more opportunities.That is the NFL today.

  167. raiderkoolaid Says:

    The four backup DL are not scrubs either and should be able to keep the starters from getting worn down.

  168. J Hill Says:

    I dont think we need to throw it often. We gotta run the ball. Playing into the JETS hands passing so often

    ==================================================
    Agreed. You want to run the ball well and force the Jets to bring in the extra guy or two…then you will see Moore win that 1-1 matchup

    ——————————————————-

    We need to score points and get the ball in the end zone. That is done through the air. Put the ball in Glo’s hands and let him use those new toys we have in Moore, Hagan, Chaz, and a DHB that is actually catching the ball.

    Boss is back this weekend too.

    I know we WANT to be able to line up against teams like the Jets, Pitts, and the Ravens and just run it down their throats. But with Satele and Carlisle still starting, I don’t think we are there yet.

    We need to replicate the Buffalo game plan to a degree but mix in a lot more plays to Boss and McFadden against the TEs.

  169. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    If I had to place my bets…..I like our chances if the defense holds the opponent under 20 points per game with consistentcy.

    And there will be games in the mud, rain, slosh and so-forth where the defesne will be the key.

    And you aren’t winnning in December without good defense.

    the lack of said defense kept this team out of the playoffs last year.

  170. lefty12 Says:

    There will be games where ineptitude will prevail and the score will be 13-10,but those are rare.In todays NFL you have to score and score big to be successful week in and week out.

  171. Method To My Madness Says:

    Tommy Kelly is considered by many on here as a pro-bowl caliber player…at least against the pass

    ************************

    HAHAHA

  172. zopi Says:

    I guess Bresnahan came in as a stop gap since Thurman was not allowed to interview with the Raiders. That makes more sense than banking on Bresnahan. With Bresnahan is a toss up, you can’t judge him on one single play, but in the overall way he handles the unit and the play schemes. That’s where he lacks the wherewithal to be successful in the league. Bresnahan is probably on borrowed time, unless he turns it around, can he?

    Thurman is unproven and has never been a coordinator, but might as well give him a try, he just could be what the Raiders need.

  173. J Hill Says:

    ShoNasty with a big sack of Fitzgerald to create 3rd and long in the red zone negated by a McClain illegal contact flag.

    DAMMMMMMMMM!!!!!

    So many chances to put this game away.

    Raiders are going to be just fine!

  174. priesttj Says:

    Guys it’s this simpole why do think the Pat’s are using Tom Braady the way they are. A QB with his talent is now throwing short to intermediate passes because it’s working like crazy. It was like this about 10 years ago and went to ground and pound with P/A passing to back to throw it short and run for 1st downs. Everyone is doing it all over the league throwing for 500 yards in a game.

    A rookie i has thrown for over 400 yards twice that tells you where it’s going. You have to to win because that’s what they’re doing.

  175. Silverandblack666 Says:

    The Raiders Report is on now

  176. BigTed707 Says:

    # lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm

    I know people who like defensive football don’t like to hear it,but offensives rule in this league now.You have to be able to outscore your opponent.

    ********************

    The league has ruined this game with their pathetic rule changes. Defenders aren’t even allowed to play aggressively anymore.

    I doubt the Europeans would allow this “wussification” to happen to their precious soccer.

    Goodell done fupduck imo. Sad days.

  177. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    In reality,nobody in the NFL plays GREAT defense,the rules have made it damn near impossible.Look at the scores every week.When the GBs and NEs play,they score against everyone.The way they continually win is by outscoring everyone else.They don’t have great defenses.Their Ds are just good enough to make a few stops during the game thereby giving their Os that many more opportunities.That is the NFL today.
    ====================================================
    If you want to continually put that pressure on the offense…so be it.

    The Raiders invested a lot in this defense…

    I also think that if we think the best path to victory against the Pats is to have a track meet with them…we might be in for a long day.

    The defense is CAPABlE of being a top 5 group.

    Let them play up to it.

    The jets made two AFC champinoship games on the back of their defense…..the Raiders defense is as good/if not better….

    and the offense is better too

  178. raiderkoolaid Says:

    Tommy Kelly can be a real force at times, and then he can disappear other times.

  179. Method To My Madness Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
    In reality,nobody in the NFL plays GREAT defense,the rules have made it damn near impossible.Look at the scores every week.When the GBs and NEs play,they score against everyone.The way they continually win is by outscoring everyone else.They don’t have great defenses.Their Ds are just good enough to make a few stops during the game thereby giving their Os that many more opportunities.That is the NFL today.
    ***********************************

    Man GB when it came down to it had to play D to stop Big Ben on that last drive….you need defense. I’m not saying be a top 5 D…just saying have some better capability to win games

  180. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    There will be games where ineptitude will prevail and the score will be 13-10,but those are rare.In todays NFL you have to score and score big to be successful week in and week out.
    ========================================
    That defense bailed the Raiders out on MNF…

    And its true you have to score to win.

    I just don’t think a great offense and a great defense is mutually exclusive.

  181. Method To My Madness Says:

    I know we WANT to be able to line up against teams like the Jets, Pitts, and the Ravens and just run it down their throats. But with Satele and Carlisle still starting, I don’t think we are there yet.
    ************************

    You do have a point Jhill with this

  182. J Hill Says:

    CJ37 gets beat on the next play JR77 for a pass that gets bills to have yd line.

    On the next play, Buffalo runs it in.

    BTW, B …

    Henderson was the NT on that goalline play and got walked 3 yds into the endzone by a double team. Happens to the best of em, bruh.

  183. priesttj Says:

    Jhill I’m telling ya I saw the same exact thing when I wathced that game the Bills are soo freakin’ Lucky they won that game it’s rdiculous.

  184. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    True…but Satele and Carlisle are 2-2 on getting the job done.

    The Raiders strength is DMAC…you don’t go away from that strength until the opponent demonstrates they take it away.

    This is still a run 1st offense…be wise to understand that.

    The Bills were off-balance all game because they couldn’t stop the run and had to bring help….allowing the Raiders to unleash the pass offense as well

  185. J Hill Says:

    just saying have some better capability to win games

    ——————————————————

    We were in a position to win.

    Don’t think there will be too many last minute drives where we drop 3 picks and get 2 3rd down penalties.

    I like our chances!

  186. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    CJ37 gets beat on the next play JR77 for a pass that gets bills to have yd line.

    On the next play, Buffalo runs it in.

    BTW, B …

    Henderson was the NT on that goalline play and got walked 3 yds into the endzone by a double team. Happens to the best of em, bruh.
    ===========================================
    Henderson is the Raiders best bet in the run defense

  187. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I have seen the defense not be able to come up with the key stop so many times, that I would rather see the offense push to score even when they have the lead. In the snow job game Gruden didn’t go for it on 4rth and short when a 1rst down would have clinched the game. Instead of keeping the matter in our own hands we put it in the hands of Brady and the refs.

  188. priesttj Says:

    We DROPPED 2 EEEZZZZ picks in the ENDZONE!!!!!!!!!!

  189. Method To My Madness Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    CJ37 gets beat on the next play JR77 for a pass that gets bills to have yd line.

    On the next play, Buffalo runs it in.

    BTW, B …

    Henderson was the NT on that goalline play and got walked 3 yds into the endzone by a double team. Happens to the best of em, bruh.
    ************************************

    You mean on the not TD for the Bills? Yeah I saw that. The guy never got in

  190. Method To My Madness Says:

    SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
    CJ37 gets beat on the next play JR77 for a pass that gets bills to have yd line.

    On the next play, Buffalo runs it in.

    BTW, B …

    Henderson was the NT on that goalline play and got walked 3 yds into the endzone by a double team. Happens to the best of em, bruh.
    ===========================================
    Henderson is the Raiders best bet in the run defense
    **********************************

    And its not even close….I dont need a film session….I got it all up top

  191. lefty12 Says:

    B,read what I said-they have to be able to make stops-do you not understand what I wrote?But they don’t play great D.The league won’t allow it.Offense puts butts in the seats,along with wins.They stopped Ben on that drive,but not for most of the game.

  192. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I think CJ37 was playing hurt and would have probably been taken out of there if DVD hadn’t been injured.

  193. J Hill Says:

    This is still a run 1st offense…be wise to understand that.

    The Bills were off-balance all game because they couldn’t stop the run and had to bring help….allowing the Raiders to unleash the pass offense as well

    ——————————————————

    I have to disagree with this.

    Dmac wasn’t running the ball all that well until we started throwing. A few quick dumpoffs to him, a couple completions to Hagan, and that catch by Moore is what opened up our offense.

    There wasn’t single drive where we “rode” Dmac or Bush.

  194. BigTed707 Says:

    DEs and OLBs need to be quicker to the edges on Runs and Screens.

    The Raiders Defense holds on third and long = we win this game.

  195. Method To My Madness Says:

    Anyhow…guys enjoy…little brother just landed at THE oAKLAND aIRPORT…..ITS ON THIS WEEKEND……JUST WIN

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  196. Method To My Madness Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
    B,read what I said-they have to be able to make stops-do you not understand what I wrote?But they don’t play great D.The league won’t allow it.Offense puts butts in the seats,along with wins.They stopped Ben on that drive,but not for most of the game.
    *********************************

    I understand what you saying but always later in season people aint dropping crazy offensive numbers. Even with all the rules….basic schit is always determines who wins and who loses the games in january

    See ya

  197. J Hill Says:

    Denarius Moore is a track guy turned football player who didn’t start developing until his senior year at Tenn.

    Does that give us any hope for what DHB can develop into?

  198. priesttj Says:

    No one wantsto go away from DMC we know what we are a playaction offense. Our rec’s have not shown over a period of time they can run precise routes and make plays. So for now use DMC who is a big play back who play off that. But you have to throw to get consistent big plays. When YOU have a DMoore you go to him, the same with some of the others. Moore needs to see at least 6-7 balls come his way. Until he shows he can’t take it, I think he could win this game for us he’s that good.

  199. lefty12 Says:

    197,oh,great,here we go.Later guys.

  200. BigTed707 Says:

    Put D-Wow in for Punt returns – It’s not like the Defense forces many punts anyways.

  201. priesttj Says:

    Jhill Hell Yeah!! it does all we have to do is force teams to double Moore or DHB and get the ball to the guy who’s singled. What DMoore brings to us is bigtime playmaking ability YOU MUST USE THAT!!

  202. J Hill Says:

    What are we going to do with Pryor?

    Glo keeps running the offense like this, I just don’t see how Pryor gets on the field.

  203. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Raiders still put 120 yards on the ground and the running backs were very prominent in the screen game.

    To go away from DMAC would be such a collasal mistake for this team. DMAC is the core of the offense and everything radiates from there.

    This is not the Pats or Colts offenses where their core is throwing the ball 48 times a game.

    When DMAC is the threat, either running or catching…it will give the receivers the opportunities to make plays down field.

  204. priesttj Says:

    People have to realize DHB is 220+ lbs. @6′2″ and runs a solid 4.2 all he needs is 3-4 touches a game and one will be big every game. Just get it to him every game a biuld confidence the payoff is HUGE.

  205. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
    Denarius Moore is a track guy turned football player who didn’t start developing until his senior year at Tenn.

    Does that give us any hope for what DHB can develop into?
    =====================================================
    Its not about hope or any of that stuff. Its about putting it on the field and producing in games.

    Both players have done that so far this year.

    There is a lot of competition at receiver this year and you are all seeing the positive benefits of it.

    Someday there will be similiar competition at more positions too. It makes for a better team.

    Make no mistake, Hue is going to play the players that produce on the field.

  206. BigTed707 Says:

    # J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm

    What are we going to do with Pryor?

    Glo keeps running the offense like this, I just don’t see how Pryor gets on the field.

    ****************

    Let him sit this season out.

    Let’s see how he looks in camp next year, and resign J-Camp to mentor him if J-Camp turns out to be legit. Hue can asses where he belongs then.

  207. Master Beeecham Says:

    Yo Goobers

    My bizzies and I just checked into the Renaissance Downtown LB to begin a weekend of recording, Raider partying and romantic 69ing on our Aerosoft mattress.

    But first up some room service nachos and a few laps on the rooftop pool. My ladies like to do the butterfly until their bikinis come off, if you know what I mean.

    I’m going to roll a monster spliff, get my buzz on with a few glasses of Chandon and work on some more lyrics for my new Krappy jam, “Funky Old Medumbass”

    WORK UP TO FISHBONE MOTHER OF ALL FUNK TIDLIES

  208. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    The roster will work itself out. If the offense is moving the sticks on 3rd down and putting points on the board…those that are helping will play.

    My question…is how does Murphy and Chaz get on the field.

    I think Moore, DHB and Hagan are making it hard for the above….and everyone is keenly aware of what Jacoby Ford brings to the party.

  209. J Hill Says:

    Who said anything about going away from DMac?

    Did Buffalo go away from Fred Jackson?

    We need to pass to set up the run is what I’m saying.

    Damn getting into a pissing contest. They are going to line up to stop the run, we need to catch them off guard and pass the ball when they are looking run.

    And on the flip side, we need to run when they are expecting pass.

  210. JR77 Says:

    J hill…..no need to update me anymore….4-5 catches caught on CJ37 for 1st downs…..2 crucial penalties, one muffed INT, and contrary to what people say the last TD was on him
    Take that away and put 21 in there and mark it down as a W

  211. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Jhill,

    Those runs that only get a couple of yards matter too in keeping the defense honest.

    I get nervous hearing pass 1st offense around here…the Denver game certainly wasn’t pass 1st.

    The Raider game plan is to make DMACs presence felt early and often….then go from there.

    Going with a “pass 1st” offense isn’t going to work most weeks

  212. lefty12 Says:

    But 21 doesn’t play here any longer.Get over it.

  213. DocPorter11 Says:

    Good afternoon Nation.

    Addressing what Romanowski said regarding Mac’s fumble costing us the game: Of course he’s going to find a player on offense to put it on. That fumble definitely hurt but so many factors went into us losing that game. The way I see it, if we don’t have MAC we get blown out of that and possibly half the games on the schedule so i’ll forgive the occasional miscue. Tired of Romo trying to subtly timplement his racist propaganda.

    Getting back to reality, I think it’s important to remember that the Jets’ WR corps. is solid with an underrated Santonio Holmes and a hungry Plax Burress. With a solid TE and a plus running game all Vincent Chase has to do is manage the O. We’re in for a tough one but if we’re the team I think we are, we’ll savor the challenge instead of drowning in it as we have in years past.

    I’m sure they will have Dmoore in a Revis straight jacket so we’ll need career game from DHB and above average play from Boss and “Chad Schillings”. Y

    Bold prediction: Bush leads us in rushing, DHB works Cromartie to the tune of 6 catches for 85 yards and Taiwan busts a reverse and gets his first taste of the black hole (LOL)

  214. GoodOle00 Says:

    Raiders will beat the Jets.

  215. GoodOle00 Says:

    212. Yeah, Nnamdi is just kicking a-s-s in Philly wow oh wait

  216. JR77 Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
    But 21 doesn’t play here any longer.Get over it.

    I will be over when Al brings in those two playas he promised he would bring with 21’s salary….where are they??????they sure did not show up last Sunday…..they could have used the services of a Darren Sharper or a Lofa Tatupu

  217. TerrapinRaider Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:00 am
    There is little doubt the Jets have a better D than we do.However,IMO,we have a much better O than they do.Todays league is about scoring points.Look at the best teams and all of them can score in bunches.We are close to being there.

    ************************

    I would say that we are there. What Campbell and this offense did in Buffalo was nothing short of remarkable. Top line players out and they still brung it.

  218. lefty12 Says:

    You are one of those where the comment went over your head.It is the same as many said last year after the Ariz. game-Jano missing the last second FG cost us the game,but isn’t the reason we lost the game.Are you also saying anytime someone makes a comment about a minority player it is a racist comment?

  219. lefty12 Says:

    The same Sharper who worked out for the donkeys and wasn’t offered a contract?The same Tatupu who 3 weeks into the season hasn’t been offered a contract by 31 other teams?

  220. JR77 Says:

    Romo should have dissected Romac’s poor tackling skills, lack of toughness and horrid angles, who would know better at that position and tackling than Romo, that THG abuse must be causing some dementia or something

  221. TerrapinRaider Says:

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:09 am
    Just realized we put up zero points in the 1st and 3rd qtrs of the Buff game.

    DAMN!!!!
    ===============================================
    When Jacoby Ford returns…this offense is going to be unbelievably tough to deal with as long as the O-line keeps blocking.

    Kevin Boss will have a big game tomorrow as the middle opens up

    **************************8

    Ford will probably be back just in time for NE.

  222. lefty12 Says:

    Terrapin,we need to see this offense produce more consistently to be mentioned with those other great offenses.I do believe we are close to being there,if we aren’t there yet though.

  223. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Fatigue is always a factor gents. Fatigue not only causes missed tackles and poor effort, it can also lead to mental laspes. That not why the game was lost it was only a contributing factor. The loss was unacceptable but its in the past now. We must move on, avenge the lost by destroying the Jets.

  224. JR77 Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
    The same Sharper who worked out for the donkeys and wasn’t offered a contract?The same Tatupu who 3 weeks into the season hasn’t been offered a contract by 31 other teams?

    The same Sharper who 2 years ago led the saints D to a Lombardy trophy….just saying no one else is available and yet help is needed

  225. lefty12 Says:

    Two years in the NFL is a lifetime.Bringing in old,has beens isn’t the answer.Just coach up the guys you have.

  226. DocPorter11 Says:

    Definitely not saying every comment made towards a minority has a racial subtext but I am saying consider the source. Romanowski has always been half Rush Linebacker, half Rush Limbaugh making Mac the epitome of everything he’s against.

    I understood the comment, I just don’t agree with it.

  227. TerrapinRaider Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
    I think we have to keep Boyd at least until MM34 gets back. Injuries are definitely having an affect on our efficiency. I’m not syaing MM34 will be great immediately but I can definitely see a difference in the enthusiasm of this defense with him not there. That guy gets the defense juiced and he’s extremely active.

    ********************

    You mention MM34 in here with those high remarks you’re bound to be ridiculed. But let them tell it. (numbskullz)

  228. JR77 Says:

    Rod Woodson better coach em up…either that or put a jersey on….plus CJ37 is un-coachable

  229. BigTed707 Says:

    The Sell-Out Crowd will play a factor.

    If the Raiders pull this off, it will be a Huge Win!

  230. TerrapinRaider Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
    McClain is whiffing on plays that I’ve never seen him whiff on ….

    Screens and dumpoffs.

    He’s usually VERY good at stopping those.

    Good thgin Buff missed the kick.

    ***********************************

    Fatigue? Gotta say, I saw him whiffing it surprised me. He looked like K.Morrison. Seriously though, I think McClain was injured since 2Q maybe 1st. I think if you rewatch the game he was shaken up on one play – I think with his legs.

  231. BigTed707 Says:

    I’m starting to get anxious!

  232. lefty12 Says:

    I hope the sell-out crowd will help.Too often in the last too many years,the team has laid an egg when we sold out.

  233. qodrn Says:

    Does the rookie player of the week really need Pepsi to sponsor it?

    What happened to the guy who kept track of the game score predictions? Did he retire?

  234. raiderlization Says:

    Only help needed if Huff is Hurt we are down two Safeties as it is!Raiders should be able to get respect from speed of WR’s from DB’s even D.R.and allow DMAC and Co. to get off and allow the WR’s to make plays if Ryan is true to his stay deep concept for his Safeties! Go Raiders!

  235. lefty12 Says:

    Giordano,Brach,Huff,and Boyd.Isn’t that 4 safeties?

  236. Kirk Says:

    D Moore better start tomorrow.

  237. lefty12 Says:

    234-”we are down two safeties”.My bad,i read it as we are down to two safeties-sorry.

  238. GoodOle00 Says:

    235.lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
    Giordano,Brach,Huff,and Boyd.Isn’t that 4 safeties?

    =================

    No. No its not.

    Thats a practice squad camp fodder guy, an under producing 7th overall draft pick, a 4th round Gunner and an undrafted FA.

  239. lefty12 Says:

    As long as we win it doesn’t matter who starts.If we knew we would win by starting Daffy Duck,I’d be all for it.

  240. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Excited for a Raider upset tomorrow! Sold out crowd, home opener. Be LOUD Raider fans!

    CODE BLACK!!!

  241. GoodOle00 Says:

    Our “safeties” were exposed against the Bills.

    Boyd and Giordano looked terrible in run D and especially in space. Can recall at least one embarrassing long run where one of them got caught by the backs half a-z juke and simply sprawled in front of the RB without touching him.

    If it had happened to another team I’d have laughed

  242. GoodOle00 Says:

    Jets D needs to communicate. Raider fans can take that away.

    Of course our O line will probably jump off side 18 times and especially at right tackle and especially on 3rd and short.

  243. TerrapinRaider Says:

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
    The roster will work itself out. If the offense is moving the sticks on 3rd down and putting points on the board…those that are helping will play.

    My question…is how does Murphy and Chaz get on the field.

    I think Moore, DHB and Hagan are making it hard for the above….and everyone is keenly aware of what Jacoby Ford brings to the party.

    *********************************

    Not trying to start an agrument but I think Murphy is better than Hagan as far as I have it measured. Just my humble opinion. Not try to sell anyone.

  244. TerrapinRaider Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
    I hope the sell-out crowd will help.Too often in the last too many years,the team has laid an egg when we sold out.

    *****************************

    I’m not too concerned about that. Hue will have these boyz wired just like MNF (and excersing those demons) for the homeopener. Just lay off all the excessive penalties. We can do without those.

  245. GoodOle00 Says:

    243. Murphy has yet topt prove himslef a reliable go to guy. I think Hagan’s closer to that than Murph. I can still recall some bad drops

  246. GoodOle00 Says:

    Someone needs tostep up and have a huge game. I like that J Barksdale is playing for Heyer. Hyer has been below sub par.

    Barks was really late off the ball early on but played better and with low pads, solid tech and with focused anger on the goal line.

  247. TerrapinRaider Says:

    GoodOle00 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    243. Murphy has yet topt prove himslef a reliable go to guy. I think Hagan’s closer to that than Murph. I can still recall some bad drops

    ********************

    And what do you base that on? One game in Buffalo? A game where throwing his way almost ended up with 2INTs? Or preason game vs N.O. where he was the go-to guy but couldn’t get open? Exactly what BRIEF history are you basing this on? Go to guy? Don’t make me laugh. He’s not your top WR. How can he be your go to guy? You have Ford, DHB and Moore all CLEARLY ahead of him and he’s your “go-to guy”? lmao.

    Its just like Hue said in his presser. You guys just get enamored with new toys but forget we have had guys in this offense producing. Murphy is surely on of those guys. And I’m not a guy who hypes Murphy all the time on this board. But I know he’s better than Hagan. Not that Hagan is bad.

  248. antispy3 Says:

    CJ’s attempted pick in the end zone wasn’t a drop. Jones made an excellent play to swat the ball cleanly outta CJ’s hands. Not like CJ was just holding it out there; he knew the strip attempt was coming. He tried to swing the ball around. Jones just made a great play.

  249. Just Fire Baby Says:

    As far as in the Silver and Black, no WR can come close to the production and big-time catches Lou Murphy has produced.

    He has 6 receiving TD’s; Ford, DHB, Moore and Hagan don’t have 6 combined between them (as Raiders).

  250. PA-RAIDER Says:

    Hue Jackson is probably responsible for our decent play considering the 10:00 AM west coast starting time last week against the Bills.

    He practiced early all week.

    Did you notice the Chargers played at 4:00 PM eastern, 1:00 PM west coast time, in New England last week??

    I don’t care what anyone says, there is no way games should be played at 10:00AM.

    I only hope Hue continues to practice early in the morning during weeks that the NFL tries to put the screws to us RAIDERS……………..10:00AM really????

  251. GoodOle00 Says:

    h focused anger on the goal line.

    247.TerrapinRaider Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
    GoodOle00 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
    243. Murphy has yet topt prove himslef a reliable go to guy. I think Hagan’s closer to that than Murph. I can still recall some bad drops

    ********************

    And what do you base that on? One game in Buffalo? A game where throwing his way almost ended up with 2INTs? Or preason game vs N.O. where he was the go-to guy but couldn’t get open? Exactly what BRIEF history are you basing this on? Go to guy? Don’t make me laugh. He’s not your top WR. How can he be your go to guy? You have Ford, DHB and Moore all CLEARLY ahead of him and he’s your “go-to guy”? lmao.

    Its just like Hue said in his presser. You guys just get enamored with new toys but forget we have had guys in this offense producing. Murphy is surely on of those guys. And I’m not a guy who hypes Murphy all the time on this board. But I know he’s better than Hagan. Not that Hagan is bad.

    =======================

    I said: “I think Hagan’s CLOSER to that than Murphy. You ramble on about your attributing me saying he’s my “go to guy.”

    I never said that.

    But he IS closer to that than Murphy.

    We have 2 seasons worth of Murphy and his lack of critical focus.

    We’ve got 6 years of Hagan to judge him by. I don’t think he’s our #1 or our go to but I do believe Hagan is closer to that than Murphy

  252. J Hill Says:

    Did you notice the Chargers played at 4:00 PM eastern, 1:00 PM west coast time, in New England last week??

    ——————————————————

    And they still loss.

    Team that executes better win the game no matter what time it starts.

    And why is it a disadvantage to play early? I don’t get that. How can you be tired or fatigued at noon?

    I could see the argument for an east coast team playing a night game on the west coast. With it being 8pm when the game starts, I could see how the body could be tiring and shutting down from a long day.

    But when you first get up?????

  253. GoodOle00 Says:

    249.Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
    As far as in the Silver and Black, no WR can come close to the production and big-time catches Lou Murphy has produced.

    He has 6 receiving TD’s; Ford, DHB, Moore and Hagan don’t have 6 combined between them (as Raiders).

    =============

    Hagan has 2 games. Murphy has had 2 yrs to get 6 TDs. Bey, clearly under producing. I like Murphy I do. Shows bad azz effort blocking down field. The guy hustles but double cluthces and drops too many. That and he’s hurt alot

  254. PA-RAIDER Says:

    # J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:40 pm

    Did you notice the Chargers played at 4:00 PM eastern, 1:00 PM west coast time, in New England last week??

    ——————————————————

    And they still loss.

    Team that executes better win the game no matter what time it starts.

    And why is it a disadvantage to play early? I don’t get that. How can you be tired or fatigued at noon?

    I could see the argument for an east coast team playing a night game on the west coast. With it being 8pm when the game starts, I could see how the body could be tiring and shutting down from a long day.

    But when you first get up?????
    ________________________________________
    It’s your body clock, energy level, not used to doing those things that time of the day…….Does your body tell you your hungry around noon or (;00 in the morning for lunch….body clock, body clock…..

  255. PA-RAIDER Says:

    post 254 9:00 in the morning, sorry

  256. GoodOle00 Says:

    254. circadian rythym

  257. PA-RAIDER Says:

    Post 256……hahaha, nice!!

  258. al d. davis Says:

    okie-dokie, prognosticators of success, foretellers of doom, knuckle-f’knuckleheads….losers, tramps and “ye of little faith”…..

    my name is stanky AL, I outta my mind, alheizmers and dementia, no logic to find….

    gotta bully named Hue, with a big fat head, left eye hangs low, his logic’s fled….

    compares himself to Ryan of the Jets, Hue’s lost his mind, he’s my itty-bitty pet…

    see, I massage his pate, tell him good, he doesn’t even know it but he’s an actual fool….

    soon as he goes 4 and 12, I’ll get in my groove, bust that shiney head with my favorite pool cue,

    thinks he can wiggle in and put me down, smiling and praising me, he nuttin but a clown….

    I’ll start DHB o’er hagan and moore, just to show ole hue, I’m not on the floor,

    n’ after the NY Jets give us a awful thrashin, dont ya’ll get up and do you AL D. Davis bashin….

    Blame it on Hue, my lil puppy dog…big bad bully, calls himself “Rex”

    Just Lose Baby !!!! I out…..

  259. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Poetry girl.. go fck yourself

  260. J Hill Says:

    I’d take Hagan over Murphy.

    Those 2 “almost picks” were a couple early balls thrown his way. He wasn’t open on that first one. Got no seperation, but fought for the ball and caught it instead of it being a pick.

    2nd ball was a great read by the corner. I guess you could argue that Hagan could have come back to the ball, but it was a bang bang play.

    The rest of that game, Hagan was very solid.

    Most importantly, zero drops.

  261. J Hill Says:

    Body clock?

    Well wouldn’t it be a disadvantage to ask the EC teams to play at 4pm when they have their body clocks set to play at 1pm?

    Are body clocks used to playing at 5pm on Sunday and Monday nights?

  262. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    “We’re a passionate football team, play snap to whistle, play 60 minutes and that’s the type of team we have and the type of character we have in our room.”
    =====================================================
    Hear that RoMac ? From SNAP TO WHISTLE.

    That means running hard in pursuit even when you’re trailing a play.

    It means giving 100% effort.

    It doesn’t mean dejectedly jogging while Jackson is heading towards the end zone.

    It means never quitting on a play or on your teammates.

    It means being a professional and a leader by example.

    If you don’t have the ability to be a run stopper, or a true MLB, fine. Perhaps you’re more suited for the outside.

    But if you’re not going to play hard from SNAP TO WHISTLE, you’d be better off with another team.

    There’s no room for anything less than maximum effort on this one.

    BEAT THE JETS.

  263. PA-RAIDER Says:

    Post 261
    My point is the Raiders playing at 10:00 AM

    I used the Chargers example to show they got a break playing at 4:00 PM eastern.

    Raiders, 10:00 AM….

  264. al d. davis Says:

    259.PlunkforHOF Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
    Poetry girl.. go fck yourself

    you talking to me genius ?? didn’t think so….

  265. PA-RAIDER Says:

    J Hill Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 2:57 pm

    Body clock?
    ————————————–

    I’m sure that 75% of the Raiders are still sleeping or just getting movin at 10:00 AM

  266. Thec07 Says:

    RRRRRRAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSS

  267. The Myth /The Man /The Legend /AD Football Inc. Says:

    Assembled with his fortune tellers, soothe-sayers and wizards, Al Davis has promised triumph over the New York Jets.

  268. GoodOle00 Says:

    258.man, that RMR is a sick ****

  269. Thec07 Says:

    Hahahahahaha total domination

  270. Thec07 Says:

    RAIDER MOTHA FCKIN NATION

  271. Raider Thoughts / This weeks story Says:

    Al Davis releases statement today:

    To Rex and the Jets
    Bend ova and take it like a dog. No hard feelings.
    Sencerely, Yours Truly

  272. Thec07 Says:

    Monday morning headlines
    Sna
    Chez sacked 7 times in LOSS TO THE RAIDERS

  273. Thec07 Says:

    Raider offense proved unstoppable against the jest d

  274. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    I’m reluctant to bring this up because I had great expectations for Rolando, but I’m worried that this guy has some real issues.

    Not at all concerned that he won’t give the press the time of day.

    Don’t like the fact that he reportedly brushes off fans of the team, refuses to sign autographs, etc. But that’s not really a concern.

    What does concern me is reports of him driving around in Bama in the offseason with a firearm looking to settle some sort of family score.

    If true, tells me he’s immature and doesn’t have his head on straight.

    What does concern me is that he doesn’t appear to be in tip-top shape. Could be wrong about that.

    What does concern me is completely whiffing on an unobstructed, unblocked shot at a virtually motionless TE on the Bill’s game winning drive. Not only didn’t make the tackle, barely laid a glove on the guy. That was absolutely pathetic.

    What really concerns me is the obvious loafing on the Jackson TD run. Still fuming over that. Inexcusable, intolerable.

    To be fair RoMac has great length, and uses it well. He takes very good drop backs. He has the ability to anticipate where a ball is going on a pass play, and uses that in conjunction with his length to bat down or intercept balls.

    But besides that, he’s shown next to nothing.

    The noticeable lack of run stopping plays is already a major concern. But I’ve also got doubts about his character (despite the glowing reviews of his film study and intelligence at Bama). I’ve got doubts about his being in top physical shape (could be health related). I’ve got doubts about his hustle.

    Could have some real issues down the line with this young man, and the cupboard is empty behind him.

    Seriously hoping he gets his act together. We’re going to need much better play from him.

  275. Thec07 Says:

    Rrrrraaaaaiiiiidddddeeeeerrrrr

  276. priesttj Says:

    This kid Sammy Watkins of Clemson is sick, I haven’t seen a freshman like him in many years.

  277. priesttj Says:

    This is a great game Florida St and Clemson.

  278. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    Dear Rex,

    You’re going to stack the box to try and stop our run game. At the same time, you’re going to hope to take away the short underneath stuff and dare JaJason to beat Revis and Cro.

    Guess what, Rex ?

    We’re still going to run the ball on you. We’re still going to hit Miller underneath. We’re going to complete some intermediate stuff too. And just when Revis and Cro no longer expect it, here comes the double move for a long gain.

    Revis might discover he’s got a pulled hamstring again when DMoore smokes him.

    Better have that Defense ready Rex. Hue and the Raids are gonna open the can on you.

  279. priesttj Says:

    FSU could pull this out after being dominated. High drama.

  280. priesttj Says:

    This QB Trickett for FSU is a playa foreal.

  281. KoolKell Says:

    Well, I guess, I have to go to the game tommorrow. Just got a ticket from a Raider Coach, from a colleague. The family suite…………oh my gawd, I hope I’ll be ok. :-)

  282. priesttj Says:

    There’s 2 players I wnat to see dominate tomorrow our DT’s TK and Seymour hopefully King Richard is healthy and hungry the same with TK. They have to take this game over and stay in Sanchez’s face all day.

  283. morilla Says:

    For all the people who jeep referencing the 2009 Raider/Jets game I am only going to say this once.

    The Raiders are not the same team.

  284. morilla Says:

    Jeep = keep. damn auto-correct.

  285. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
    There’s 2 players I wnat to see dominate tomorrow our DT’s TK and Seymour hopefully King Richard is healthy and hungry the same with TK. They have to take this game over and stay in Sanchez’s face all day.
    =============================================
    Agreed. The D-Line gotta be up in the quarterbacks face all game and make life hell for that rookie center.

    We also need Wimbley to make his presence felt too.

  286. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    KoolKell Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
    Well, I guess, I have to go to the game tommorrow. Just got a ticket from a Raider Coach, from a colleague. The family suite…………oh my gawd, I hope I’ll be ok.
    ========================================
    Ha, Ha……glad to see you scored a ticket, its going to be a great game.

  287. Carl Weathers Says:

    It would be awesome if the Raiders came out of the tunnel with a swagger like 53 Irom Mike Tysons from back in the day with the death stare and a bounce in their step like “I’m so gonna destroy you!”

    And then did exactly that! How long has it been since this team put up a shutout? didn’t they shut out the Jets in the playoffs like 10 years ago 27-0?

  288. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    morilla Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
    For all the people who jeep referencing the 2009 Raider/Jets game I am only going to say this once.

    The Raiders are not the same team.
    ========================================
    Yup. The Raiders are not anywhere near that same team. They have good players at key positions and are better coached.

  289. morilla Says:

    I’ve been reading stories about Romac and how he has ignored little kids and just acts like no one is there. Also about how he was back at Bama and to some point still acts. This is starting to rub me the wrong way. I can understand not talking to the media, but if you want to act like a badass, act like one on the field ad well. I think this kid has a lot of deep seeded psychological issues. Somethings up with him.

  290. RAIDERMAN99 Says:

    didn’t they shut out the Jets in the playoffs like 10 years ago 27-0?
    ==============================
    That was Miami.

  291. priesttj Says:

    There is a huge difference IMO leadership. From QB to WR corp we are worlds different from 2009. Add the Oline to that argument.

  292. La Milicia Negra Says:

    Wow Moore won the RotW! Hell yeah!

  293. FarEastRaider Says:

    No excuses and No quit! Lets get that Win tomorrow…RAIDERS till I die!

  294. Plunketthead Says:

    dec 28 2002 we beat KC 24 – 0 in the final game

  295. Carl Weathers Says:

    Plunketthead Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
    dec 28 2002 we beat KC 24 – 0 in the final game

    @@@@@@@@@@@
    DAmn, that would be 146 games without a shutout. We’re due baby, we’re due!

  296. fingers Says:

    Raiders 27… MiJets 17

    Raaaaaiiiiddeerrzs ……Raaaaiiiidddeerrrsss…

    Stomp the Jets…

  297. Plunketthead Says:

    Dec 19 199 Gruden got the next one
    Raiders 45 Tampons 0

  298. hwnrdr Says:

    Its time for that Silver and Black stomping party with the crowd going nuts for The Raiders home opener!!!

  299. Seymour Bush Says:

    RAIDERMAN99 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm

    What does concern me is completely whiffing on an unobstructed, unblocked shot at a virtually motionless TE on the Bill’s game winning drive. Not only didn’t make the tackle, barely laid a glove on the guy. That was absolutely pathetic.

    What really concerns me is the obvious loafing on the Jackson TD run. Still fuming over that. Inexcusable, intolerable.

    To be fair RoMac has great length, and uses it well. He takes very good drop backs. He has the ability to anticipate where a ball is going on a pass play, and uses that in conjunction with his length to bat down or intercept balls.

    But besides that, he’s shown next to nothing.
    ===========================================

    I agree with this post. McClain is not the proto-typical MLB in an even scheme. Normally when running an even front, you want smaller faster LB’s. Jon Vilma maybe the best in the business right now and he goes 6 ft, maybe 230. Think of Zach Thomas the guy Jimmy Johnson drafted to run his defense in Miami. That guy played like 12 years in the league as a Mike and he went 5′11″, 228.

    Where everything gets blown to bits is with Brian Urlacher. Urlacher is 6′4″, and 252. And he is a legitimate 6-4, 250+. The issue with Urlacher is he’s a freak. I mean the guy was a safety in college for Crissakes. He returned punts. For a guy THAT BIG to be that FAST and to play Mike in an even scheme, he has to be a special special player. Now MC Clain has less than 20 games under his belt, but I think we better start seeing something special here, or this guy is never going to develop.

  300. raidertalk Says:

    I’d like to see our offense wear out the Jets tomorrow,

    If we can get up by two scores I’d like to see Bush get some more carries to punish them in the 2nd half.

    jets are physical on Defense, but our offense is also extremely physical so far. Our Oline is bigger then last year and we have thunder and lightining at RB.

    Our younger Wrs might have trouble against revis and cromartie, but Dmoore and DHB do have good height to catch some clutch throws.

  301. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    McClain will redeem himself. Defense will keep the Jets in check

  302. raidertalk Says:

    The other thing is that our offense is gonna face a viable blitz for the first time this year.

    The RBs and FBs have to keep sharp to pick up those blitzers and/or catch the safety valve passes.

    Good thing Boss is back too because he might get his fair share of safety valve passes in response to the blitz.

  303. Plunketthead Says:

    Art did it twice in 92
    Raiders 19 seaturds 0 Oct 18

    Nov 22 Raiders 24 mules 0

  304. raidertalk Says:

    On Defense we have an advantage with Mangold out. This means that there could be slower snap-exchanges and perhaps slower pick-ups of our blitz because usually the center help with the blocking assingments.

    The jets probably know we have an edge on the Dline, so they are proabably going to call the short pass and roll outs. i.e. Buffalo second half.

    IF we can stop their runnig game, we can force Sanchise into deep throws and the D line can pin their ears back and play to our advantage.

  305. Seymour Bush Says:

    Pretty easy keys to this game: The Nyets do one thing really well. They get off the field on defense. They put opponents in 3rd and longs, and get off the field. They are also on the plus side of turnovers.

    One thing no one seems to talk about is what an excellent job Al Saunders did of game planning Boofalo. Not only did Boofalo have no answer to what we were doing to start the game, they really had no answer all game long. If Saunders can do the same thing again and do a real good job of scouting and game planning, we can get good solid positive plays out of lst and 2nd downs, and most importantly NOT turn it over, the Raiders have a real good chance in this game.

  306. raiderkoolaid Says:

    If I remember that 2009 game right, Russel made two really quick turnovers and The Raiders were down 14-0 before you could blink an eye. I think Russel made another turnover and it was like 21-0, and with Russel at QB The Raiders knew they had no shot and had no fight left in them.

  307. Plunketthead Says:

    Art was the first black NFL head coach.
    He went 12 – 6 in his first year losing to the Bills in the conf champ game 13 – 5

  308. raidertalk Says:

    If the jets get their running game going were going to have to not over-pursue, like we did against Fitzpatrick. The Dline will have to take up space and put their hands up to knock down the short pass.

    Corner Blitzes might be a good idea to go againt the roll-out and quick passes. It goes without saying that McClain must rebound from arguably his worst game as a Raider and cut short the quick completions.

  309. antispy3 Says:

    The main thing is whether the Raiders vastly improved Oline is up to the challenge of recognizing the Jets blitz pressure & making the proper blocks. That is the issue.

    You will also nitice how I PAINSTAKINGLY went over the Jets defensive scheme & pointed out what a mitigated disaster the Jets Oline is.

    So, it will be an entertaining game, with our Belove Raiders eeking out a 20-17 triumph. Remember this; BSPN dellusionally rates the Jets #3 in the league. I respect the Jets; they are by no means invincible. It’s just their strength lines up against our strength. The Jets have proven over the last three years they possess an elite defense. The Raiders ofense is their strength; they’ve been under the current coaching regime for not even half that time.

    Of course I want to beat the Jets; I’m just willing to be more of a realist than some a bit more emotional about things.

  310. Silverandblack666 Says:

    The Silver and Black show is on Fox 2

  311. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    hey fellas. just got back from overseas. couldnt watch the Buffalo game, from the scoring I can tell we let them back into the game. The big question: did Chucky B go all Prevent D on us to cost us the game?

  312. Carl Weathers Says:

    FVCK 2009!!!!!!!!!, 2008, 2007…

  313. Carl Weathers Says:

    FVCK LAST WEEK!!!!!!!!!

  314. Seymour Bush Says:

    raiderkoolaid Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm

    If I remember that 2009 game right, Russel made two really quick turnovers and The Raiders were down 14-0 before you could blink an eye.
    =====================================

    I remember that the Raiders actually were playing fairly well early in that game, and the Nyets called for a fake punt deep in their own end, and the punter ended up running for like 40 yards. After that, the Raiders collapsed and it became the Shonn Green show, where he ran 15 times for like 200 yards. But don’t quote me on that, my mind is trying to block out those memories.

  315. raidertalk Says:

    Maybe a bright spot for the Raiders is that Plaxico has looked slow from being in prison and/or ankle injury. But he does have a size advantag 6′5″ vs 6-1″ Routt and 6-1″ Johnson.

  316. lefty12 Says:

    311-no

  317. priesttj Says:

    Our Dline was shortcircuited by quick drops and short passes. The bills knew they couldn’t block us and didn’t try. They setup threw it quick now if the Jets do it this week the Dline has to get their hands up better and bats some balls down. because all everyone is trying to do now is quick hitters and run for 1st downs. We have to counter by getting in their QB’s face making him hesitate. THen when they complete them punish the runner and force some t/o’s we did that but we didn’t catch those last 2 picks.

    I really thought we would get at least 2 picks and a fumble vs the Bills and we got one pick. We undid that pick with our own fumble which gave them momentum.

    We can pick Sanchez there’s no doubt in my mind he’s going to throw us the ball we just have to catch it.

  318. Carl Weathers Says:

    The RAiders WILL beat the jEts with speed and a talented defense that so badly wants to erase last weeks debacle. Our young athletic defense against an aging group of offensive weapons and a QB that folds under pressure like oragami.

  319. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 that answer brings up a point I had an argument with Goodole00 about prevent defense. He swears we played a variety of prevent now I might be wrong but IMO we didn’t play much if any prevent. What do you see on film?

  320. Silverandblack666 Says:

    the over under on how many times Hue says “Obviously” on the Silver and Black show is 15

  321. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 I did put in a call to see what we did but haven’t heard back yet but I’ll find out one way or another. It may take a few days but I’lll find out what Bresh’s D packages consist of.

  322. lefty12 Says:

    Priest,I read your exchange with him.Using his argument,you would have to say any D run by any team was a prevent D since you are attempting to prevent the other team from scoring.In the last game,I didn’t think we played what is called prevent that much.Our players were lined up on the WRs at the line,not sitting back.At least most of them,anyways.CJ37 did play off his receiver which is why he was picked on,but the others were jamming rec. at the line and that isn’t a prevent D.We also blazed a few times and you don’t do that in prevent either.

  323. Seymour Bush Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm

    Our Dline was shortcircuited by quick drops and short passes. The bills knew they couldn’t block us and didn’t try. They setup threw it quick now if the Jets do it this week the Dline has to get their hands up better and bats some balls down. because all everyone is trying to do now is quick hitters and run for 1st downs. We have to counter by getting in their QB’s face making him hesitate.
    ========================================

    I would expect the Nyets to do the exact same thing that the overdue Bills did last week. The nyets are small at the playmaking spots, (Plaxico aside). Sanchez is not a big guy, maybe 6′ 215. That is not that big and I don’t think they want Kelly and Seymour meeting in his grill for a game day snack. Same thing with Shonn Green, Holmes, etc.
    They are going to run hard at us and hit us with quick short and medium passes. We are not going to get to Sanchez that way, he is too fast and mobile enough to get out the way. Best thing we can do outside of our base D is jam the receivers at the line, play a much tighter zone and send an occasional corner or safety.

  324. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    So what happened? how did we give up a ton of points? plenty of big plays?

  325. Seymour Bush Says:

    Let me say if we DON’T do what I wrote in 323 I think we might be in for a long afternoon.

  326. Seymour Bush Says:

    Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 5:19 pm

    So what happened? how did we give up a ton of points? plenty of big plays?
    =============================================

    I haven’t watched the tape, so this is coming from memory, but they went right up the gut on us for big play after big play. It was like there was no one in the middle of the field. 55, looking at you here!

  327. lefty12 Says:

    It looked to this untrained eye like we changed up and played multiple Ds,but were too tired to run anything effectively-always a step slow and reacting a split second late-things that happen to someone who is worn out.

  328. lefty12 Says:

    Macho Man-Fitzpatrick did his Drew Brees impression and picked us apart with the short passing game and then hitting us with a big run.

  329. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 that was my premise as well, how could it be prevent when we’re in man coverage? itlooked more like a matchupzone to me. Because we were matching up even on the last play where we misaligned for the TD. One that final drive we blitzed 3-4 times and man behind it. Yet he swears that was prevent if it is I’ve never seen a prevent quite like it. Now I’m not at all saying I’m a coverage expert but I’ve been watching this game along time and prevent is dropping 7-8 players and keeping everything in front of you and force the offense to run clock against their will. I called coach Beikert and if I don’t hear from him I know I can talk to Rod and find out.

  330. Macho Man Randy Savage Says:

    Mcfadden did fumble, sorry to read that…..campbell was not sacked. score 35 and loose…… No finger pointing tells me our D as a unit is a piece of trash.

  331. priesttj Says:

    It looked to this untrained eye like we changed up and played multiple Ds,but were too tired to run anything effectively-always a step slow and reacting a split second late-things that happen to someone who is worn out.

    *****************************************************
    I agree with this, I just think we were slow and gassed making everything they did even more effective. But I have to admit I’ve been basically confused about what Bresh is doing in coverage since the preseason. I can’t get a real good read on it. But I’ll find out..

  332. lefty12 Says:

    I always associate prevent with just what you described-drop back and keep everything in front of you,letting the opposition complete those short passes and trying to keep them inbounds while eating up the clock.

  333. priesttj Says:

    Every Prevent I’ve ever seen was some form of that. And we did none of that but we did play some funky zones and man but we were aggressive as hell every down we were just slow.

  334. lefty12 Says:

    All I know is I was screaming at the TV for CJ to get up on his man like Routt and i believe Huff were,and hit them at the line to disrupt their short pass timing.

  335. antispy3 Says:

    Cal chokes in Seattle; Miami Hurricanes come up short against K State; and the web site crashes! Hopefully not a precursor for tomorrow. . .

  336. lefty12 Says:

    Macho,you can look at it that way,many are.However,some of us believe the fatigue factor was a huge part of it.I guess we’ll see sooner or later which line of thinking is closer to the truth.

  337. DKnight007 Says:

    It’s nice that Huey wants what fat Ryan has in NY. Need a better DC than Chuck B though to get there!

  338. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 Man you have no idea how mad I was at CJ all he had to do was play sound technigue if he gets beat he gets beat. He was playing scared IMO Huff and Routt were winning due to playing bump and run and varying their technigue CJ was just out of sorts. That’s why I don’t want him on Holmes I prefer he play Burress I want Routt on Holmes and DVD on the 3rd WR. CJ doesn’t trust his ability. When he does he’s very good.Holmes is very quick and runs great routes where RRoutt can win that is Sanchez is irratiche doesn’t throw an accurate pass and he’s going to try to backshoulder throw to make up for it. Routt is very hard to beat on backshoulder more than once he plays his man similar to Nnamdi and he attacks the ball man relationship very well. That’s why even though balls are well thrown and the rec has a chance he separates the man from the ball extremely his next step is to become the rec’r like Woodson used to and he’ll be top tier.

  339. Thec07 Says:

    Jest gonna get knocked tha fck out

  340. Thec07 Says:

    RAIDER NATION

  341. priesttj Says:

    Thec07 man you are on a rampage LOL The Raiders better win tomorrow or it could be trouble.

    Raider Nation is right!

  342. lefty12 Says:

    Priest,I believe Routt is already an elite CB.i thought that last year.It won’t be long,if it isn’t already happening,that Routt will be given the Nnamdi treatment-QBs ignoring him and throwing the other way.He attacks the ball and will get TOs if he is attacked regularly.

  343. lefty12 Says:

    Call me crazy,but unless JC does a faceplate like he did in SF last year,I don’t believe this game will be that close-we win going away.

  344. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Routt is one of the best corners in the league. He’s right there with Nnam & Revis but without the reputation. He’s a better “baller/playmaker” than Nnam. And he’s better than Cromartie.

    But as you remember Lefty, 2yrs ago all these couch potatoes on this blog wanted him cut! Goes to show what they know about playas developing. They’re just so narrow-minded don’t want to give anybody the time to come into their own. Its all now, now, now. like a bunch of whining inphants.

  345. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Like Routt, if DHB ever comes into his own …boy! These bloggers are going to be dumbfounded.

  346. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Nnam’s a better cover guy (or used to be as I have not seen him lately), but Routt would plays the ball more. Just to clarify.

  347. armond Says:

    the jets about to get they azz kicked big time.dont be surprised to see revis get lit up 2morrow.im real serious about this. i have a feeling the jets are about to get embarrassed.

  348. lefty12 Says:

    Terrapin,you are preaching to the choir.All they know is instant gratification.

  349. TerrapinRaider Says:

    I don’t want to crown him but I see a lot of promise in DVD. At the very least (if he can’t get up his weight) he would be a absolutely solid #3 CB in the slot. His ability to rotate his hips is something other corners would envy.

  350. Carl Weathers Says:

    Routt’s always had the body language of a football corner rather than a track guy. I will tatoo DHB on my ass if he turns out to be our #1 WR!

  351. armond Says:

    110.priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
    If DMC doesn’t fumble we win 42-31 Raider win.

    ——————————————————-
    u know thats a damn lie. his fumble was huge but if the defense does their job we wouldve won. he helped in the loss but a blanket statement like that is incorrect. his fumbmle didnt get returned for a td. he didnt funble going to the goaline. our defense started givning up plays late in the 2nd quarter. i really wanted us to get another chance for a td or fg to go up 24-3 or 28-3 before halftime. somethin didnt feel right going into that 3rd qtr.

  352. Silverandblack666 Says:

    Macho Man Randy Savage

    Let me tell you what happened.

    The Bills had us on our heels Defensively in the second half and we allowed 5 TD’s in that span they did not punt the second half.

    The defensive melt down was a combination of things. #55 was taking bad angles and whiffing on tackles, TK and Richie Rich were dominated at the LOS. TK was on his belly too much.

    CJ was slow to react to his receivers patterns almost like he was playing hurt, and YES we went into that prevent crap at one point but I think our Defense in general was off balanced and Fitzpatrick was on hitting every thing he targeted.

  353. TerrapinRaider Says:

    Carl Weathers Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
    Routt’s always had the body language of a football corner rather than a track guy. I will tatoo DHB on my ass if he turns out to be our #1 WR!

    **************************

    Hahahahaha….hope you saved a pristine spot for it …haha.. and I want the whooole cheek…hahaha.

    j/k …I guess we’ll see because they are investing a lot of time into helping him become the playa they believe he can be.

  354. raiderkoolaid Says:

    CJ had elite speed just a couple of years ago, and may still have if healthy, but I think his hamstring injury has got him slowed, so he is playing soft to try to compensate. That won’t work though, so if he can’t keep his man in close coverage then they need to try the next man up. Burris might be a better matchup for him though because although he has size, I don’t think he has elite speed.

  355. lefty12 Says:

    DVD showed a lot in the practice games.The kid looks like he could become a damn good CB.Unfortunately,many have already written him off.Hope he proves them wrong,just as I hope DHB does.After all,they are Oakland Raiders and as long as they wear the uniform I’ll root for them.

  356. JB Says:

    My burning question is WHY was RoMac so gassed? He was void of energy in most of the 2nd half. A follow-up question is WHY didn’t Bresnahan make adjustments after he could see the D was exhausted? A fresh Ricky Brown is better than a gassed RoMac. Almost anybody would have been better than CJ who was getting flamed on every play. All players have god & bad days. When that happens the DC should substitute with the next man up. Doing nothing was not the answer.

  357. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I think DVD is going to be real good.

  358. TerrapinRaider Says:

    If someone has the game on DVR, I’m certain RoMac came up lame on one play in 1H. I thought he was going to leave the game but he stayed in there. I think he was playing injured since.

  359. JB Says:

    I’m hoping the rain stays away tomorrow. I’m not sure which team would benefit most from a wet ball/field. I much rather the best team that day win without any exterior influences.

  360. armond Says:

    jhill i dont know why u dont understand the east west travel being a factor. its easier to play later becuz your body has been up for several hours. u are already warm and dont need to rush yourself to get prepared.u are also mentally sharper later in the day. there is a big difference playing at 10 am and 1 pm. hell i remember havin morning practices for baseball and that sh!t was brutal compared to the afternoon ones. its not easy to get up and play so early becuz u have to.people take these athletes and the human body for granted 2 much.

  361. JB Says:

    TerrapinRaider Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm

    If someone has the game on DVR, I’m certain RoMac came up lame on one play in 1H. I thought he was going to leave the game but he stayed in there. I think he was playing injured since.
    **************************

    If true, that’s a coaching failure. If I can see RoMac is totally ineffective and dogging it on the field for WHATEVER reasons, the coaches should have replaced him with a healthy back-up. He’s not that good yet where when injured, he’s still better than the next guy up.

  362. lefty12 Says:

    What 666 fails to mention is we could have had 3 interceptions.We should have had 2.We were in position to make numerous plays but were a split second late.Guys looked like they were running in mud.All things that happen to a team that is dead tired-instead of grabbing someone,they break free,instead of catching a ball,it is either knocked away or dropped.

  363. hwnrdr Says:

    All I know is the entire defense had better watch film and leave last weeks disaster behind!

  364. lefty12 Says:

    JB,last year it was the HC who got blamed for who was on the field in different situations.Why is the DC now getting the blame?

  365. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I guess we find out tomorrow if last weeks second half debacle by the defense was an aboration or if they are really that flawed.

  366. priesttj Says:

    Armond plus if you’ve been into a routine and all of a sudden you’re faced with heavy competition and your body isn’t at it’s peak it shows in different ways. Whether early or late in the game it’ll show.

    Carl Weathers you’re going to get asked some embarrassing questions from whatever ladies see that tatoo. Now will they believe the answers?

    However I would love to know what a #1 rec’r is I hear it a lot and yes I know what a great rec’r is but what if you have two of equal ability? Why is a #1 important? I just want great players like Moore Ford Chaz DHB Murphy and Hagan I couldn’t care less who’s #1 or 2 or 3 or 4 or 5…..just make plays. GB has a bevy of rec’s but who’s their #1 and who cares?

  367. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I heard that Pryor was suppose to appeal his suspension, but I never heard anything else of it. If the league is just keeping him hanging for an answer, that is wrong. Not that they should decide in his favor, but they should at least give him an answer. I with they would let him practice with his teammates. I really don’t expect anything out of him this year, but the more practice he could get in the better he might be prepared for next year.

  368. lefty12 Says:

    Carl,com’on man,I remember Routt getting roasted on here for being a track guy and not a football player 1st.At least you acknowledge he has turned into an elite player.Will you ever admit the same about DHB if(when) he does the same thing?

  369. hendu Says:

    Tj,agree with post 366,BUT,if youre # 1or 2,you are going to get PAID! raiders

  370. priesttj Says:

    Waiting for the 1st game to end and see the second game tomorrow is going to be tough. I think I’m going to make a sacrifice and go to the Pat’s game. I’ve had a couple of offers to go tomorrow but I can’t for personal reasons.

    Been a seaosn ticket holder since they been back and this will be the first season I wont due to personal issues. And it’s killing me.

  371. raiderkoolaid Says:

    People use to blast Nnambdi early in his carreer for being a reach, but he turned out to be an OK player too.

  372. lefty12 Says:

    If JC continues to perform like he did last week,Pryor won’t be needed next year.That is what all Raider fans should wish for.

  373. priesttj Says:

    Koolaid they will make a decision next week on Pryor..

  374. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I have a tough decision tomorrow. I have to work, and will DVR the game. My decision is whether to listen to it on the radio, or to try to avoid the scores until I can get home to watch it.

  375. raiderkoolaid Says:

    Thank You Priest

  376. priesttj Says:

    I agree lefty12 I just wnat Pryor to get his feet under him technigue wise and make sure he’s ready when the time comes. I feel very strongly that he’s going to be great but right now we have a very good player at QB who’s a vet and knows the NFL. Let Pryor learn the position the right way first.

  377. JB Says:

    lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 6:39 pm

    JB,last year it was the HC who got blamed for who was on the field in different situations.Why is the DC now getting the blame?
    **********************
    IMO, it was the DC’s responsibility to see the problem & fix it. It was also the HC’s failure for not going over to the DC and making it perfectly clear for him to do something rather than stand on the sideline with his thumb up his a$$. Ultimately, the HC is responsible and is the one fired if this happens too often throughout the year.

    I’m NOT a Bresnahan fan. He wasn’t that good when he was here in the past and I highly doubt he gained that much more valuable experience while in the UFL.

    My personal belief is that he is an AD default DC. I believe AD wanted someone else and when that fell through at the last moment, all he had left was Bresnahan. Unless Bresnahan really gets his stuff and the D together, he could easily be a mid-year casualty. I’d much rather see a RWoodson get in there as a DC. I know he’s inexperienced but he’s been in the game and done it well. His real life experiences have to count for something.

  378. raiderkoolaid Says:

    Do you think Pryor can be an accurate thrower?

  379. Chef Sac Says:

    Everybody talks about “Revis Island” but even though he is extremely talented, he does have weaknesses. He seems to be like Tom Brady on defense: flourishes when things are going his way and breaks down when things aren’t.

    In the Dallas game he got assigned to Dez Bryant after a couple early passes and Dez made him look human, before he got hurt. Revis didn’t respond well and got huffy and into a couple scuffles with Bryant.

    Revis’ strength is his ability to press and knock receivers off their routes. D. Moore has a great ability to beat press coverage and get behind cornerbacks.

    I think he has a field day on Revis Island….

  380. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I have heard some of the talking heads such as Colon Cowheard say that Pryor is not an accurate thrower. I didn’t watch Ohio State that closely, but I don’t really remember him being inaccurate.

  381. lefty12 Says:

    JB,you are smarter than that.R.Woodson as DC?You’ve got to be kidding!This is his 1st year in any coaching capacity.If,as you believe,the old man is calling the D shots,what good would Woodson do?Wouldn’t Biekert be a better choice since he was a MLB and at least called the plays when he played?IMO,I like what I’m seeing from the play calling standpoint up to now.We just have to execute.

  382. Carl Weathers Says:

    Ok, once Routt got on the field as nickel corner on a regular shift he at least looked the part. Ya not so much his first couple of years but when he got his chance he looked promising. Unlike DHB that looks like a prize if he’ll ever grab 50 for 800 on a regular basis.

  383. priesttj Says:

    Do you think Pryor can be an accurate thrower?
    ******************************************************

    Oh! most definitely some of the things I watched that kid do says superstar but he is raw. His technigue is in it’s early stages, he were to play now he could get by and make plays with his arm. But he’s it ready to play at a high level on a consistent basis. See the thing is and the reason I wanted Pryor so bad is that is the wya the game is going. Cam Newton is picking up where Vick started and athletic QB’s will be all the rage in a couple of years.

    If you watch Aaron Rodgers play he is very athletic and he’s extremely accurate it makes him near impossible to stop the same with Vick. Both can take off and get 1st downs and then setup and shred you. Pryor has that in him and you’ll see what I mean when he plays. Tressel held him back IMO because he called way too many QB runs when you do that it makes a QB inaccurate because he’s not going to pay attention to detail. IN his mind he’s saying if I don’t complete it I’ll run for it next down in other words he doesn’t take the passing game as seriously as he should. Passing for a QB is always more important than running. Running is a weapon he can use when he has to but option 1 2 3 4 should be get it to your rec’s if all that fails hurt them with your legs. It slows down the rush knowing he can run but it should be his 5th priority not his 2nd.

  384. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “What 666 fails to mention is we could have had 3 interceptions.We should have had

    Yeah and we “could have” had 11 sacks if our guys would have gotten to the QB one second faster.

    We could have had no missed tackled.

    I “could have” won the lottery.

    Get real man

  385. raiderkoolaid Says:

    I know it really puts a lot of stress on defenses when a qb can run. Vick is an extreme case of that of course, but Elway use to drive me nuts either running for first downs or extending plays and then finding an open reciever.

  386. priesttj Says:

    I think Cam Newton is showing he’s much further slong than anyone including myself ever would’ve believed. Pryor is every bit as talented maybe more some of the throws I saw Pryor make are NFL calibre throws and he reads defenses much better than people believe. He’s extremely competitive like Cam and very similar in a lot of ways. But Cam throws with more POISE and more technigue. Pryor is a bit more of a sling it type but the similarities are striking.

  387. JB Says:

    Lefty, Of course you are right about RWoodson. I was using that as an extreme example & Biekert would also have been another option. I guess I’m still stuck with a dislike for Bresnahan. We’ll obviously find out more about what Bresnahan can do this year. I certainly wasn’t happy with his non-actions in the second half of last week’s game. I’ll give him a chance but it will be an uphill climb. Tomorrow should show us a lot. We DO have a history of being able to beat stronger teams when we are the underdogs. It’s just that we also have a history of playing down to the weaker teams. HuJack will need to be able to change at least half of trend.

  388. Silverandblack666 Says:

    no reason to candy coat it dude it was an ugly 30 minutes of defensive football

  389. priesttj Says:

    That’s what Pryor is he’s a cross betwen Vick and Elway in a sense he’s not as technically sound as they were coming out. But when you see this kid your imagination is going to run wild. Fans will love this kid he is extremely competitive. I watche dhim the other day because I can’t get enough of Pryor I watch his tapes all the time. It’s like watching Michael Jordan under the UNC coach you see so much damn potential it’s mind boggling. The playcalling for Pryor was atrocious all they ever did was run him. When they actually allowed him to set and throw and get in rythum he was very good. But you rarely saw it.

  390. Silverandblack666 Says:

    You guys don’t remember during the off season we tried to get Darren Perry from the Packers and Dennis Thurman from the Jets but both opted to stay put so by default we have Chucky B

  391. lefty12 Says:

    666-3 balls were thrown into the hands of our defensive players.We were in position to stop many of the running plays that gained yards,we got our hands on the runners.IMO,the reason we dropped the passes and didn’t make the tackles was fatigue.You just believe we suck.Different strokes.

  392. raiderkoolaid Says:

    We will find out tomorrow if it was an aboration or if the defense is really that flawed. The Jets watched the film of the same game we did.

  393. Silverandblack666 Says:

    “the reason we dropped the passes and didn’t make the tackles was fatigue.You just believe we suck.Different strokes”

    Nope I just there there is a lot of work to be done. Its all fixable.

    You can blame fatigue and others will blame the DC I say lack of focus and confusion is to blame.

  394. Silverandblack666 Says:

    Nope I just think there is a lot of work to be done.

  395. lefty12 Says:

    BTW,losing focus is a direct result of fatigue.

  396. priesttj Says:

    666 Lefty12 isn’t wrong and you’re not wrong it’s a just matter of opinion. WE had those picks in our hands it’s not as if he’s wishful thinking THEY SHOULD have had at least 2 picks. No need to be irritated..

  397. priesttj Says:

    We’re all saying the same thing just from different points of view….

    We got the J.E.T.S. 2morrow nothing we can do about last weeek but get frustrated.

  398. lefty12 Says:

    Priest and I differ on the QB position and where it is headed,but I’d like to mention that Randell Cunningham was the same type of QB as Pryor way before Vick was ever thought of.Vick wasn’t ready when he entered the league.Vick hasn’t won anything in his career and I doubt if he ever will but I could be wrong about that,we shall see.The thing is,QBs like Rodgers and Cunningham were passers before being runners.That is what makes them different.

  399. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Cam Newton was the 1st pick overall. That means the people in the game (coaches and scouts) saw greatness in him and were willing to bet on it early. He is off to a great start…

    Pryor? Not so sure about him. Have to see him on the field.

    But I also hope that Jason Campbell is the quarterback for the next 8 years.

  400. hwnrdr Says:

    LOL…a delay in the 7th with the score 11-2 AZ…Elimination coming in two innings!

  401. Silverandblack666 Says:

    good point tj we both want our D to play better tomorrow morning.

  402. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 so was terrell Pryor but when the coach is calling plays the way Tressell did everyone will have the perception because that’s what they see. The same as Cam everyone said it would take him a few years including me. But he is very poised in th epocket. If you watch Pryor he’s a gifted passer he’s just not a polished passer. He’s aptitude for the game is extremely high but it’s been under utilized. QB’s evolve throughout their careers Pryor is what he is now but 3 years from now you wont believe your eyes.

    I told everyone all offseason that Camp would improve by leaps and bounds under Hue and Al. Even as recent as a week ago fans were doubting his ability to carry this team I think last week dispelled some of those myths.

  403. antispy3 Says:

    At the 5:20 point of the second quarter RoMac was rolled up on during a running play. He was on the bottom of the pile, getting up gingerly, favoring his left leg. He was roll blocked on two other occasions & had to take on Eric Wood, Bill center when Seymour & Kelly BOTH rushed OUTSIDE, leaving the middle wide open.

    BTW; early in the contest Jones clipped Branch in a most dirty way that coulda ended his season. So much for Bill cutblocks.

    NFL.com offers a rewind package for $20. I’ll blow that much on incidentals during a pay period, so money well spent.

    I can watch replays of all the games (except during Monday Night Football) in crystal clear HD, with an HDIM of 780. So, I watched BOTH Jets games. If you have any points to bring up, I have the evidence.

  404. priesttj Says:

    I said alll offseason Camp was in the top 15 as a QB in this league now I believe with the emergence of players like Moore and DHB and Ford. Camp could in the top 10 even elite before the year is out. Camp is extremely accurate when he has time and his armstrength is ridiculous all he needs are playmakers the same is everyone else.

    lefty12 this is going to shock you but the QB Camp reminds me of the most is Aaron Rodgers and that is nota new opinion I’ve had that opinion since I scouted them out of school. If you give your email I’ve prove it to you. I just stopped thinking of him because I rarely saw him but watching this offseason from the second half of last year it’s shocking how good he can be if he stays healthy and we stay with this present coaching staff. This guys is capable os greatness.

  405. BadMoodGuy Says:

    The sooner Pryor is able to start getting fully coached by Saunders the better.

    BAN THE TROLLS!!! or at least coach them up on logical fallacies.

  406. priesttj Says:

    It’ll start next week they will shorten his suspension by 2 games. he’ll be practicing on the scout team by Weds.

  407. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Part of the reason the offense is looking good is due to continuity at the Quarterback and Coach.

    I hope that Hue and JC are together for better part of the next 10 years. That way each year is just building on the last…that’s how a team gets good.

    If we see Pryor as the starting QB, then that will suggest yet another reset and yet another session of growing pains.

    Its time to win now and re-establish the Raiders as a consistent winner

  408. lefty12 Says:

    Priest,I have no opinion on Pryor as of yet.His play will dictate how I think of the guy.Camp looks so much better this year as opposed to last it is night and day-so far.This week will be a huge test and speak volumes about him.As I said after last week,he is turning my opinion of him.
    Badmood-just because he isn’t playing or practicing with the team,don’t think he isn’t getting coached by the staff.
    ^^^-I hope they do better tomorrow afternoon.

  409. lefty12 Says:

    666-I hope…..

  410. antispy3 Says:

    The RoMac report was for
    TerrapinRaider

  411. priesttj Says:

    People forget Jason Campbell won a national championship at Auburn he went 13-0 in his senior year he was in some ways similar to Cam Newton but scouts said he had a great running game and dismissed some of his ability. You don’t win NC by yourself but he was outstanding.

    The player I saw then I see now that talent is starting to make plays around him and he has a line and good coaching. Now that he has the same things that the great QB’s have around them he’s starting to show what he can do.

  412. lefty12 Says:

    Priest,I was listening to a radio program one morning and they mentioned the last 15 or so QBs of national championship teams.Believe me,that isn’t a good item to have on ones resume.

  413. armond Says:

    campbell playing well will allow pryor to sit on the bench and develop the way qbs use to. that is a positive. ive said the best thing for us is to have a favre/rodgers situation at qb. i dont care if pryor doesnt start until he is 25 or 26. we need to win now and have a young guy for the future. terelle is very talented and we can look at other areas to improve the team next year. im watchin burfect from asu and i admit i like him more than mcclain coming out. it will be interesting to see if the staff was serious about moving romac outside for a new mlb.

  414. armond Says:

    lefty do you plan on watchin moneyball? i might sneak in there and watch about 20 minutes but i aint payin for it. the a’s really make me sick right now with these dumb owners and overrated gm.

  415. antispy3 Says:

    The Cryptkeeper, John Clayton of BSPN had ‘Soup rated 18th best QB in the league going in. He projected with newfound continuity in the Raiders’ offensive system & the nucleus of talent forming around him as his rationalle.

    The thing I keep hearing is he is a tad on the deliberate side when “pulling the trigger.” He also has ball security issues. Also, only Tom Brady makes a larger percentage of his plays from the pocket than ‘Soup. ‘Soup is quite athletic & possesses fine movement skills. I would like to see him make more “impromptu” plays outside the pocket, extending plays & creating something out of nothing.

    He is improving in his ability to “throw” receivers open. He, Hue & Saunders work well together.

    So, here’s the best case scenario; ‘Soup becomes the real deal, cementing him as an elite level starting QB for 4 or five years. In this time frame Pryor benefits from the same coacning staff, acquaints himself to the pro game (I can’t get the memory of Cam Newton outta my mind. He is fearless! He just wants to win! Same as Pr(allegedly) Pryor!. His progression will be monitored & he will be annionted the Raiders Fraichise QB sometime in that four to five years. Sound good? I wonder where “Home” will be then. . .

    Sound good? Reporting out from fantasy island. . .

  416. alex7 Says:

    We don’t forget, Priesttj.

    We just don’t care, for obvious reasons.

  417. No Mas Diamante Says:

    Man! Wish I could make the game tomorrow. To those going to the game: Pelt sanchez with hot dogs for me.
    thanks

  418. alex7 Says:

    Stopping the Jets’ run game doesn’t amount to winning the game.

    The Jets are currently bottom 10 in the league in running the ball, yet they’re 2-0.

    Remember that most of the top passing teams are in the playoffs every year, while most of the top running backs sit at home.

  419. armond Says:

    priest do u still like the idea of drafting brewster from ohio st next year? i think we should scrap any idea of lil wiz playin c. he is a natural at g and we could make this oline one of the best by getting a stud at c. hopefully bcamp will improve to the point he will be what we want at rg.

  420. No Mas Diamante Says:

    lets hope the jets and the pats lose tomorrow. Wouldn’t that make for some long faces on espn…lol

  421. priesttj Says:

    Lefty12 but look at the difference between Camp and tebow or high potent spread offenses he ran a proset offense very well. Most of those QB’s had weak arms and ran spreads with rec’s running wide open. Not to say he didn’t have his share of wide open rec’s but you could see that talent Campbell and Rodgers possessed. Unlike Alex Smith…..

  422. lefty12 Says:

    Armond-I’ll watch it when HBO shows it.I’m not paying.I hope Beane leaves.His contract is up-good riddance.Let him go someplace else.His moneybag crap doesn’t work,I’d rather see Billy-ball.The owners suck because they have the money,they just won’t spend it.

  423. antispy3 Says:

    Silverandblack666, Rex wouldn’t let Thurman come here. That’s too bad. He & Hue are tight. Priesttj, the 2004 Auburn Tigers were 13-0. Trouble is they finished third in the BCS, shutting them out of National Title Contention (Texas-Oklahoma, hardly a matchup of undefeated teams, as they OBVIOUSLY for Hue match up every year) that year. . .

  424. priesttj Says:

    I want either Brewsters millions or the DT at UW so far I have to keep looking at these games and studying but those are my 1 and 2.

    Burfict just made a pick he is a greta player but he’s such a hot head I wonder if he’s not clinical.

  425. KoolKell Says:

    It’s about win’s and losses, not about if’s and but’s.

  426. priesttj Says:

    Barkley plays so well at times and then you see him do something that makes you wonder about him at the next level.

  427. antispy3 Says:

    ASU’s up eight on University of Spoiled Children, Purfict just picked Barkley; Barkley made the tackle & Burfict helped Barkley up & THEY HUGGED! Unbelivable.

    And Burfict has been a model citize tonight (so far). His switch is on!

  428. priesttj Says:

    Burfict and MM34 on the same defense?? is that safe??

  429. antispy3 Says:

    Post # 400. This in now way takes anything away from last year. Forecasting you’re a Dodger fan? I like my team’s future better than the Dodgers. . .productive farm system, ardently loyal fans, team securely in the black financially. We played without our besp position player (Posey) for 3/4 of the season & our rejuvinated Kung Fu Panda, the best third baseman in baseball, for 1/4 of the season. Our injury list & the atrocious offense displayed by the 2011 version of Giants still were far more competative than they should have been. The Giants, whom are soon to be eliminated, have a bright future. Think Phillies. Get USED TO IT! Arguments (and if you’re an A’s fan, blow it out the other end! You’re even worse off! Moneyball! How’s that working?)

  430. antispy3 Says:

    Post #428; anger management counceling would be in order. Wonder if Jack Nicholson would be available. He’ll have some free time coming. . .

  431. lefty12 Says:

    Giants=LMFAO.You had one year where you got hot at just the right time-remember,you didn’t win your Div.-and now you are so arrogant.Besides the Stankees and the Red Kotex’s your fans are the most obnoxious in baseball.Savor your win last year,because it will be the last for another 50 years.

  432. ohioraider Says:

    SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm

    priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
    Lefty12 The only way the commisioner could do it is the west coast teams would have to unite against the east coast teams and refuse to play them.
    =================================
    The West Coast teams need to do this. They also should consider legal action if it can’t be resolved internally.

    True challenge to the integrity of the NFL game. Supposed to have to equal teams…when you are selling something else…the NFL is committing fraud
    ——————————————-
    Oh, get off it for chrissakes you homers. Ridiculous.

  433. antispy3 Says:

    Barkley reminds me of a slightly more athletic (not saying much) Orton.

  434. antispy3 Says:

    You have to be a University of Spoiled Children Alumni to root for Lance & his heartless QB. USC can’t run the ball?

    This is going to go over as well as Bill Callahan coaching Nebraska.

    Lance & the Tinman. . .Maynard is the snake in comparison. . .he has moxie; Barkley is still waiting to be fitted with the family jewels. . .Burfict is under his skin. . .

  435. ohioraider Says:

    antispy3 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 9:00 pm

    You have to be a University of Spoiled Children Alumni to root for Lance & his heartless QB. USC can’t run the ball?

    This is going to go over as well as Bill Callahan coaching Nebraska.

    Lance & the Tinman. . .Maynard is the snake in comparison. . .he has moxie; Barkley is still waiting to be fitted with the family jewels. . .Burfict is under his skin. . .
    —————————————-
    I don’t know what the hell you’re saying but “heartless” Barkley is a known christian athlete.

  436. antispy3 Says:

    Now; Cliff Harris, Oregon CB (not gonna annoint anyone on the college level as “shutdown”); he’s a bit undersized (5′10″) but a playmaker. And punt returner. . .

  437. priesttj Says:

    Did you guys just hear what Bob Davie said about lane kiffin?? Why do his teams underachieve? He has enough talent to win 9-10 games watch he’ll only win 7-8 and he’ll have 200 excuses why. He doesn’t have the players he doesn’t get the calls. Yet we’re dysfunctional………LOL

  438. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj, Why do Al Davis’ teams underachieve?

    They’ll continue to only win 5 to 7 games and he’ll have 200 excuses why.

  439. lefty12 Says:

    When you watch Washington and SC it is pretty obvious the old man had it right when he wanted Sarkasian over Lance.He should never have accepted second best.He should have passed.

  440. priesttj Says:

    Cliff Harris size is not an issue he is without question in the top 3-4 corners in college football. That kid #17 for LSU is sick he has size and athleticism. Those two kids at Bama can also ball.

  441. antispy3 Says:

    Get used to the arrogance, Lefty12. It’s deserved.

    How many teams you know BUILT THEIR OWN BALLPARK?

    . . .Crickets. . .

    . . .still waiting. . .

    .. .deserved arrogance. . .

    . . .and still made money. . .new version of moneyball!

  442. lefty12 Says:

    Whatever.Talk to me in another 10 years when you are still basking in your 2010 world series win,because there won’t be any others.The only thing you deserve is people pissing on your logo.

  443. alex7 Says:

    I’ll take Kershaw, Kemp, Ethier, and Gordon as a nucleus over what the Giants have.

  444. alex7 Says:

    that was an NFL throw by Barkley.

  445. priesttj Says:

    They had to they couldn’t get help, it wasn’t because they wanted to. Arrogance should come when you’re an establish dynasty not a win it then hope. the Giants are not a dominant team. they’re a very good team but it’s going to go north or south with Newcomb issue so we’ll see…

    The A’s have won 4 titles since they’ve been here big difference and they could be easily on their way back up deciding how they biuld over the next 2 years. Weeks is a very good start..

  446. antispy3 Says:

    Heartless; can’t do it when the game is on the line; not an effective leader. You need it spelled out? NOT A CLUTCH PERFORMER.

    You mean it matters when you’re a christian?

    Heartlessness (Tinman syndrome. Have you ever heard of the Wizard of OZ? That in itself is unbelivable. I can’t believe you’re not familiar with that expression. Check your religious act @ the door. Had nothing to do with that. You’re oversensative for your boy. MAYBE YOU NEED TO HOLD HIS HAND.

    Look; if you don’t know the vernacular; if you haven’t followed the game for years; if the behind the scenes. locker room references are too much for you, GET AN EDUCATION!

    OHIORAIDER, there was NOTHING EVEN APPROACHING RELIGION IN MY POST! So GROW UP! IT’s not about you!

    If the colorful references are too much, well, this is the WEST COAST!

    You took it personally & religion didn’t EVEN factor into my post. / SO GET A N EDUCATION & GET OVER YOURSELF. Your naievetee is showing. . .

  447. lefty12 Says:

    I hope Beane leaves before he has the chance to trade Weeks,because we all know he will once his arbitration years are over.

  448. antispy3 Says:

    OhioRader; you’re a christian & you use HELL (all religious zealots I know will only sat H e doulbe toothpicks. . .)

    Hope all goes well tomorrow in church. . .

  449. antispy3 Says:

    Neukom is going to be a non-issue. Beltran will return & Rollins, the local product & current Phils shortstop may be joining him here.

    That’s all right; they’re only warming the seats that will be occupied in 2013 (Gary Brown, CF & leadoff hitter) & 2014 (Joe Panik, shortstop & next Chase Utley). And our minor league catchers? That’s why 2012 will be Posey’s last @ catcher (first base future) And his replacement? Tommy Joseph. That’s all right; you may not be familiar with those names, but it will happen.

    When did the A’s last win a championship? What do they have that they can grasp onto that links them to their legacy? Not a ballpark to call their own. . .not a territory that wants them as a tennant. . . San Jose wants them, but since their single “A” affiliate is there. . .their pitching is good, but when they trade ALL their salary arbitration players after fulfilling their pre free agent moves. . .I’m not seeing it.

    And it’s not like the movie “Moneyball” is going to help them do anything. It could be a detriment; more poeple will be familiar with what they are doing. . .

    Unless this is Beane’s way of marketing himself. . .

    Nah, too much even for a Raider fan. . .who will hire him? The Cubs?

  450. Sullivan44 Says:

    We run the football, we have a chance. We don’t, we’re getting blown out.

    I remember in ‘07 after we beat Miami we were looking good with a balanced offense. Suddenly, after a bye, we go into SD throwing the football every down. And lose. That’s when Al took the team back from Lane. Just waiting for that other shoe to drop on the Hue era.

  451. antispy3 Says:

    Didn’t our Belove Raiders once win the SuperBowl as a wild card entry? They were reverred for it! For the longest time it was part of their legacy (the ONLY SuperBowl Champ from the wild card ranks. . .).

    So; it’s different for baseball? If that’s not the most subjective thing I’ve heard this week, well, just because your teams OBVIOUSLY suck. . .

  452. Thec07 Says:

    Raiders

  453. antispy3 Says:

    Burfict has problems diagnosing the play. Twice in a row he whiffed on the hole. Not a good attribute for your MIKE.

  454. antispy3 Says:

    This QB for ASU is a genetic mutant. 6′8″ with good movement skills? If Joe Flacco could only move. . .

  455. hwnrdr Says:

    Wow, did someone just get hyper over a darn post….
    Yes, the Raiders were the first wild card SB champ, but not the only…Green Bay last year, NY Giants the year they beat New England, Denver their first one…but we were the first! And I am proud of that one!
    Anyways…hey, it’s cool if you’re a Giants fan, that is a way to stick by your team, through good and bad! I commend you for that! And yes, nothing will take away the Giants victory last year! No, I’m not a Dodger’s fan, but ultimately, it was the Dodgers that ruined the Giants in the end!

  456. alex7 Says:

    Lefty, if owners don’t give you the money to retain talent, what choice do you have besides trading it?

  457. hwnrdr Says:

    456.alex7 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
    Lefty, if owners don’t give you the money to retain talent, what choice do you have besides trading it?

    Agreed! Isn’t there signs at A’s games that say that Lew Wolff must leave?

  458. armond Says:

    428.priesttj Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
    Burfict and MM34 on the same defense?? is that safe??

    ——————————————————-hell naw it aint safe and thats why i like it. u want bullies or puzzies? burfict would be perfect for us. keenan allen is a damn good wr but marvin jones gets overlooked. he makes some of the best catches u will ever see yet nobody talks about him. wont be surprised if he is next years denarius moore.

  459. armond Says:

    billy beane made one the most stupid trades when he got rid of carlos gonzales for matt holiday. we all knew he wasnt going to resign and then we traded him mid season to the cards. there was no way in hell that trade shouldve been made. there have always been flaws that beane had that the media refused to talk about. he meddles just as much as al davis is suppose to but without the riings. that lil punk had no respect for art howe who was a good manager and an even better man. beane hasnt won anything yet he gets a pass while people rip on al davis. shouldnt he get just as much heat for losing?

  460. alex7 Says:

    ummm, no, he shouldn’t. He’s not an owner. He runs on a crazy-limited $40 million payroll.

  461. priesttj Says:

    They give him a pass because of the cheap owner who wont pay for talent. Plus the media always gives you a pass if they like you see; Don Nelson.

  462. antispy3 Says:

    OK, Lefty12, bring it on! If anybody’s doing any pisisng on any logos, it will be teams in denial about their future & the future of teams they don’t even follow!

    Hwnrd; rivalries (unless you’re last name is Brian Stow) are what make sports.

    That’s what hurts the most; being a displaced Bay Area sports fan I end up rooting for the visiting team more often than not.

    So much so that I regurlarly go out of town for games, football & baseball. Met some really cool people over the years.

    Yes, you guys ended our run this year. Both teams have participated in that endeavor. But that is this year. One thing; I follow my Giants like I do my Raiders. I follow talent, evaluate, & pin my hopes on that.

    However, (I do hate Sabean. I hated the Joe Nathan trade, getting nothing for Perzynski; and I was diametrically opposed to signing Zito. I invariably thought he was doing it with mirrors in Oaktown. . .), the Giants have changed their drafting process & it’s beginning to show. The Giants used to NEVER develop home grown position players. Well, you’ll see (Posey, Sandoval, Belt next, Brown, Panik, Crawford, Francisco Peguro, Tommy Joseph. . .I know these names mean nothing, but they will. That’s how I roll. . .). . .

  463. alex7 Says:

    Foles also looks legit in AZ. I want a pocket-passing developmental QB soon. JC is 30.

  464. antispy3 Says:

    That’s just it, Alex7. your knowledge depth extends to your starting roster, starting rotation & bullpen.. . Maybe your 25 man roster. But surely not your 40 man roster or what your minor league is developing.

    It’s what most fans know of as the unknown. Usually gives them a headache. . .

    It’s just garden variety existance to me. . .visionary. . .but that’s all right. . .I’m conditioned. . .

  465. priesttj Says:

    Lane Kiffin’s troops are going down in flames again. What an overrated loud mouth idiot he is. He’s on his way to the Footballs Fired coaches convention. He does less with more than any coach I’ve ever seen with his 2 score lead then sit on the ball phylosophy.

  466. antispy3 Says:

    Foles is all right; nice arm, some mibility.

    However, about an hour ago the debate was about Terrell Pryor going forward.

    The concensus is with the continued development of ‘Soup Pryor will have about four to five years to assimilate the position.

    Lotsa comparisons with Cam Newton. Not just game, athletic presence, but as a competator. . .he’s fierce. You’ll see. . .

  467. alex7 Says:

    We have Logan White. We win.

    Guy in 3 years drafts Kershaw, Kemp, Broxton, Loney, Billingsley, Laroche (who netted us Manny).

  468. priesttj Says:

    i’m sorry but I wouldn’t draft Barkley in the 1st rnd under any circumstances his decision making at times scares me. He’s a 3rd rndr at best.

  469. lefty12 Says:

    Anti-I’m glad you are a good fan-nothing wrong with rooting for your team.But SF fans acting all high and mighty because you won 1 WS in 50 something years reminds me of Charger fans who haven’t won anything since the AFL/NFL merger yet constantly proclaim their greatness.In other words act like you have some class and have been there.Gloating due to 1 championship in over 50 years is a bit much.

  470. alex7 Says:

    Cam Newton set pass efficiency records in the SEC.

    Terrell Pryor struggled against Wisconsin, USC, Miami, Iowa State, and every other legit D he threw against.

    They’re black. That’s about the only comparison.

  471. alex7 Says:

    Oakland Raiders are more than halfway to that 50 years, 1 championship distinction. :(

  472. antispy3 Says:

    Nobody proclaimed greatness. Just staking our claim as a viable competator, just like other teams that have realized playoff success.

    And Alex? How ’bout some success on the field. I said NOTHING until the Giants won the title.

    So; there’s something wrong with a little puffing of the chest? You know nothing of what I have experienced over my 44 years as a Giants fan! So get over YOURSELF. We legitimately beat all comers last year. Three divisional champs. Underdogs every time (save for the experts. They warned about a team with a quality pitching staff in a short series; three times).

    You CAN NEVER COMPARE A CHAMP WITH A TEAM THAT HAS NEVER ENJOYED SUCH SUCCESS. That smacks of a YANKEES fan. . .they want to take the glory away from the REd Sox. I’m just celebrating. DON’t EVER THINK YOU CAN PORTRAY THE THOUGHTS IN MY MIND!

  473. priesttj Says:

    He won 3 BCS Bowl games and was MVP in 2 of them. His team was in the top 5 every year he was there they aint even in the top 25 6 months after he’s gone.

    Naw he can’t play………same thing you said about Cam Newton.

  474. priesttj Says:

    Alex7 didn’ you say our defense was one of the worse in talent in the league? You also said the Oline would stink and the WR’s were garbage.

    And you stll maintain Campbell is a worthless QB, you’re batting a thousand…

  475. priesttj Says:

    You laughed all offseason about the Stanford Routt signng why aren’t you laughing anymore??

  476. beach Says:

    Rain or not, I want to see 60 minutes of football from the offense, defense, and special teams (no Nick Miller, please). Just win, baby!

  477. antispy3 Says:

    This all started as a result of someone GLOATING that the Giants run was over.

    It was Hwnrd @ post 400. I didn’t bring this up. He was dancing on the Giants grave. That’s not good form. . .but we settled up. . .

    Now when Kershaw wins that pennant clinching game. . .and the Giants eliminate them the next year.

    And, finally Alex7, thanks for that Raider prospective. . .28 years now? At that rate I’d be. . .dead?

  478. beach Says:

    459.armond Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
    billy beane made one the most stupid trades when he got rid of carlos gonzales for matt holiday. we all knew he wasnt going to resign and then we traded him mid season to the cards. there was no way in hell that trade shouldve been made. there have always been flaws that beane had that the media refused to talk about. he meddles just as much as al davis is suppose to but without the riings. that lil punk had no respect for art howe who was a good manager and an even better man. beane hasnt won anything yet he gets a pass while people rip on al davis. shouldnt he get just as much heat for losing?

    ————————–
    He does in my book.

  479. antispy3 Says:

    ASU over University of Spoiled Children (I went to Cal). . .

    Dennis Erickson, whom hails from the PNW, orchestreated the win. . .

  480. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj,

    you are just throwing smack all over the place seeing what stinks.

    Yes, I said our defense sucked, and ONCE AGAIN, I’m right.

    Yes, I said our O-line last year was terrible, and we replaced plenty of it, proving me right. I think it will struggle vs Jets pressure front 7.

    Yes, I think JC is a bottom-half QB, as he’s proven throughout his career. Looking good vs two 4-12 teams isn’t awe-inspiring.

    The other stuff you just made up.

  481. alex7 Says:

    ha, sticks, not stinks.

    What stinks is your player evaluation skills, Priesttj.

    You were WRONG about DMac, DHB, JC, Pryor, Raji, and others.

    To say Barkley should be drafted in the same round as Pryor is LAUGHABLE. One is an athlete who can’t pass. The other is a top-rated passer for good reason.

  482. priesttj Says:

    You said the Oline stinks this year you’re lying boy. You did say Cam Newton couldn’t play the same as you’re saying about Pryor. You also said our WR’s were garbage. Admit it you also laughed and laughed about the Routt signing but you don’t laugh anymore.

    You’re kind of quiet these days and we’ll about the defense tomorrow. What you are is a loud mouth punk who thinks he knows something and runs when it flies in your face. Stinks doesn’t it?

  483. priesttj Says:

    Hey we’ll see where he goes if he comes out….. I say 3rd maybe low 2nd no more he makes too many bad decisions. The only reason Pryor went in the 3rd is his situation if he waits and dominates next season or wins the heisman he will have been drafted much higher maybe top15.

  484. priesttj Says:

    You talk a lot of crap but you don’t back much of it up….

  485. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj,

    your old memory if failing you, bud.

    Google and find where I say Cam can’t play.

    It takes me 15 seconds to find all your incorrect predictions. I’m a stat guy. Cam ripped apart the SEC as a PASSER! Of course he’s going to succeed in the NFL when you combine that with his physical skills.

    Pryor has neither the passing talent nor the resume to live up to that, despite you saying that he will.

  486. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj,

    you have the worst track record in here of all the posters when it comes to player evaluation.

    I’m considered a “negative” poster, and with our run of 8 straight terrible seasons, I’ve more than proven myself.

    Pryor will suck as a QB.
    Our right side of the O-line and C will struggle vs Jets.
    Campbell will struggle the next few weeks. He looking good vs 4-12 teams is nothing new. He’s usually solid vs bad teams, and bad vs good teams.

    We can check back in 24 hours.

  487. alex7 Says:

    Barkley is younger and already a better prospect than Jake Locker and Christian Ponder.

    Low 2nd round? lol. Bad decisions????? Check Pryor vs Miami, USC, Iowa State, and Wisconsin if you want to see bad decisions.

  488. alex7 Says:

    Barkley

    2011: 70% completions, 9 TDs, 1 INT

    .
    And Priesttj is complaining about bad decisions????

    Bwahahahahahahahahaha.

  489. antispy3 Says:

    Barkley has a nice arm but no discernable leadership skills.

    Scouts, Inc. has Barkley rated as the 16th best play er & third rated QB in college pig.

    Mel Kiper has Barkley rated third, or over Landry Jones, QB for the #1 Oklahoma Sooners.

    Makes no sense to me; Jones has overcome alot to attain his deserved rating. What has Barkley done? Loose. Well, most Qb’s are supposed to be an extension of their coach. Barkley’s coach is no other than Lance kiffin. Nice extension. . .wonder what Barkley’s parents think. Or the folks @ chorch. . .

  490. lefty12 Says:

    Tonight during the game they said Barkley was the 3rd rated QB if he were to come out behind Luck and Jones.I like Foles and the guy from ASU more,but my opinion doesn’t count for much,so i’ll leave that to the guys who do it for a living.

  491. priesttj Says:

    How many picks did he throw tonite? and wait until they get into the meat of the schedule. He’s good I’ll give him that but if you think that kid is a star guess again I thought he would be much better than he is. He’s so far behind Luck you can’t see himm in the rearview mirror. Barkley could go in the 2nd rnd personally I wouldn’t touch him in the 1st rnd but it would surprise if he went higher because scouts overrate white QB’s. Ponder was hurt a lot but competitively speaking he was a much better QB than barkley forget the stats I’m talk about compettition Barkley needs to get much better. I like the Cal QB over him.

  492. priesttj Says:

    He’s that scouts golden boy ToddMcShaywhen it come sdown to it he doesn’t win games. If he’s the 3rd QB drafted the GM’s in this league are daffy.

  493. priesttj Says:

    Barkley looks the part and that’s where it ends.

  494. Sullivan44 Says:

    Beach,

    Beane won the pennant in ‘06.

    Al Davis hasn’t had a winning season since ‘02.

    That could be one of the reasons the media’s more lenient on Beane.

  495. Sullivan44 Says:

    Excuse me,

    494 is directed to Armond, not Beach.

  496. lefty12 Says:

    Barkley is a very talented young man.He just isn’t receiving the coaching he needs.

  497. r8dercain Says:

    The rook from Ohio state looked good today

  498. r8dercain Says:

    Also the qb from mich state. An the receiver also lookied to be goin in the first rd of the draft

  499. r8dercain Says:

    Priest,

    I agree with ur earlier post regarding CJ playin scared with no confidence. If u put tape of buffalo game. That’s what he looks like. Also beating up the receiver down field,arm barring an such. He looked scared. Almost like he knew he couldn’t cover his guy.

  500. personal foul Says:

    Hey Steve-

    It’s the night before the game. We’re tense. Twelve HOURS ago you post? Come on man, snap out of it and post SOMETHING, even if it’s old, re-hashed crap we read yesterday. Hook the brothers up. You’re our last, best hope of fresh news. Thanks for your work to date, now stop disappointing. It ain’t easy for a fun-loving sociopath to remain cheerful and patient at the same time. Help me. Thank You.

  501. r8dercain Says:

    Post 500

    check the NY post an see what the jet players an coaches have to say.
    Steve probably sleep. Lol.

  502. antispy3 Says:

    Stats are meaningless to winners. . .
    Landry Jones was thrown to the wolves when he first lined up on Saturdays for the Oklahoma Sooners.

    Sam Bradford, Hesiman Winning QB returned to Oklahoma for his senior year. Unfortunately, he was injured relatively early in his first contest that year, against BYU.

    Jones in no way was ready to play. Unfortunately he had to suffer the slings & arrows of an unexperienced QB expected to step in for an iconic fallen performer. His first year was up & down. Last year, with a full offseason of preparation (like Matt Barkley was given @ Spoiled Children) he successfully assimilated to the #1 QB position & leader of his team.

    Now Jones is QB of the #1 nationally ranked college football team.

    Don’t see any of that in LA. Resiliency; that’s what makes a leader. Yet to see it from Barkley. Nice arm, though. And, like Charley Brown said to Lucy, “Alex7, tell your statistics to shut up.”

    However, since statistics tell the predominance of the story for you, here’s something in your native tongue;

    Landry Jones vs. Missouri (nationally ranked opponent; league game)33/48, 448 yds., 3 TD’s, 2 Int., 9.3 yds. per attempt.

    Brock Osweller vs. University of Spoiled Children; (ASU is unranked, but it was a league contest) 25/32, 223 yds., 2 TD’s, no Int., 7.0 yds. per attempt.

    Brenden Weeden OSU vs. Texas A & M (marquee matchup of the day & a league tilt)47/60, 438 yds., 2 TD’s, no int., 7.3 yds. per attempt.

    Matt Barkley vs. ASU (NOT nationally ranked; Spoiled Children had not lost in the land of Sun Devils since 1999; last century; league game)21/33, 227 yds., 1 TD, 2 int., 6.9 yds. per attempt.

    See a pattern developing? At this point I would take the 27 old Weeden over Barkley. He’s got a gun & he knows how to use it! Plus, since he is a survivor of minor league baseball he has a ton of adversity to draw on from his leadership toolbox.

    It’s called willing your team on; intangibles.

    Barkley called Burfict out b4 the game; did in the press all week.

    But, when Burfict picked Barkley latein the first half & barkley was forced to make the tackle Burfict helped Barkley up & GAVE HIM A HUG! Probably threw Barkley off for the remainder of the game.

    That’s his excuse. . .

  503. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    LB Aaron Curry demoted in favor of KJ Wright‎ – TheNewsTribune.com (blog)
    ……………………………………………….
    Why don’t we trade a 4th or 5th rd conditional pick for this kid? Maybe a change of scenary would help…I know the idea was brought up before but…Let’s do IT!
    Go Raiders

  504. antispy3 Says:

    I was high on Curry when he came out. Don’t know what happened in Seattle.

    Must be the rain. Perhaps it has infiltrated Curry’s mind, which means he’s damaged goods.

    pass. . .

  505. r8dercain Says:

    Speaking of beane he’s had more success as of late. An he’s had no money to do it with. The haas family had it goin good. Then the news paper guys did ok. But lew Wolfe stinks
    he had a good tram in 06. When we played in the alcs against Detroit
    then it’s been down hill ever since.

  506. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj,

    you’re already back-tracking! No one said he’s close to Luck, or better. No one is calling him a star.

    YOU are saying he’s low 2nd round,

    I’m saying that’s laughable, and I’m right.

  507. lefty12 Says:

    Actually it makes no difference what anyone thinks of any of these young QBs because hopefully JC continues his play and Pryor shows he has enough so we won’t even be thinking about taking a QB in the draft.

  508. ravenaider Says:

    Greetings from the East Coast Raider Nation!

    I am nervous about both defenses…theirs and ours!!

    Raiders need to not “sleep” on the crafty vets, WR D Mason and LT.Both of these guys can be X factors in this game.

    Who is the captain of the defense? Seymour right? Hey Big Rich,let’s be like the Raiders of old (Alzado,Howie) and let’s DOMINATE today!!!!

    Message to the fans…everytime the Jets have to ball MAKE NOISEEEEEEEE.

    This is our statement game.Coach says NOW is our time…RISE OF THE RAIDER NATION!

  509. Sullivan44 Says:

    With Detroit playing better now, there’s really no GM in all of sports today as bad as Al. So the “well, that GM over there sucks too” defense of Davis is just falling flat.

  510. r8dercain Says:

    F’k being a bully. Let’s just go out an play solid no nonsense football. No missed assignments an play hard an to the whistle. The bully will come in due time.
    First things first tho

  511. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    I hope we are able to hear the black hole from Miami tomorrow!!! Give em’ hell Nation as I will when the Raiders play here in Miami.

  512. r8dercain Says:

    Cricket,cricket,cricket. It’s quiet in here.
    Priest you goin to the game tmw?
    What about u MR u goin?

  513. lefty12 Says:

    512-LMFAO.

  514. alex7 Says:

    Antispy,

    you’re sloppy and all-over the place.

    You know who had lots of leadership and intangibles in college?

    Tim Tebow. Danny Weurfuell. Kordell Stewart. Tim Couch elevated his team. As did Alex Smith.

    Doesn’t mean you’ll succeed in the NFL.

    Guess who LOST a lot in college? Jake Locker. Christian Ponder. Hmmm, high 1st round QBs.

    Weird huh? Wait, scouts don’t CARE about winning and losing in college, or INTANGIBLES. They care about arm and accuracy first and foremost. The other stuff is just a tie-breaker.

  515. r8dercain Says:

    Sullivan44 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
    With Detroit playing better now, there’s really no GM in all of sports today as bad as Al. So the “well, that GM over there sucks too” defense of Davis is just falling flat.
    \___________________
    there are planty who suck.
    Jerry jones sucks as a GM IMO
    good owner. Bad GM tho.
    Davis gets credit becuz he was/is a pioneer,correct?

  516. personal foul Says:

    Last day of hunting season. Hopefully I will be up to my elbows in moose guts shortly after dawn, with time left to get in, wash up, and tune in to witness an underdog victory thrashing of biblibcal proportions.

    The quarterback MUST go down, and he must go down HARD.

    Hang on folks, this could be a helluva ride. Let it rip.

  517. r8dercain Says:

    Guess who LOST a lot in college? Jake Locker. Christian Ponder. Hmmm, high 1st round QBs.
    _______________________
    some of or both may not have gone this high had a regular CBA been in
    place

  518. r8dercain Says:

    Lefty12 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
    512-LMFAO.
    _____________
    What? These cats are fans too. I was being serious!!

  519. lefty12 Says:

    Priest is anyway.

  520. alex7 Says:

    Lefty,

    can you think of a single successful NFL QB with Pryor’s skill set? (Athlete first, QB second, struggled mightily against top D competition)?

    Seems like we get these Dennis Dixon, Pat White, Joe Webb, Tim Tebow clones every year or two, and they always wash out as QBs.

    Ours is going to succeed simply because we drafted him?

  521. r8dercain Says:

    R8dercain Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
    Cricket,cricket,cricket. It’s quiet in here.
    Priest you goin to the game tmw?
    What about u MR u goin?
    ____________
    don’t ever say I didn’t try an be cool. I’ll joke around but I’m cool with most on here. Were all fans of the raiders an want the same results.
    Victories,playoffs,SB. Isn’t that what all in here want??

  522. antispy3 Says:

    But wait, there’s more. . .

    Nick Foles, Arizona vs. Oregon (the class of the league, 1A, league game) 34/57, 398 yds., 3/0, 7.0 yds. per attempt.

    Keith Price, Washington vs. Cal (league game) 19/25, 292 yds., 3/0, 11.7 yds. per attempt

    Zach Maynard, Cal Vs. Washington (league game) 23/43, 349 yds., 1/0, 8.1 yds. per attempt.

    I could do this all day. had enough?

    Next time you just bandy stats & don’t get into the specifics of a player, particularly one so grounded in the leadership of a football team, well, you knos what Charlie Brown told Lucy. . .Alex7, you are SO FULL OF IT!

    Do you know the stories of Locker & Ponder? I’m waiting. . .Alex7, you are showing your lack of football knowledge. Wait; there’s more. I just saw your most recent post & I’m about to eviscerate it; just like ALL your childish arguments.

    Shouldn’t take it personally. Just met your match. So just go to bed & let the adults settle things down. Some warm milk?

  523. lefty12 Says:

    Cain-no,some do not want the team to succeed;some aren’t even Raider fans.

  524. r8dercain Says:

    Not to butt in
    but isn’t pryor on the shelf?
    We should worry about the now. The future will be just that. The future. Is pryor in our future? Well that remains to be seen. Check back in 3yrs. Cuz that’s about the time JC will be departing. Or takin a backseat.
    There’s no way if we start winning seasons that thus guy will see the field. An u know what? That’s good for pryor,sit back an learn from hue an al
    an JC for now. That’s what’s best for pryor. Don’t you agree?

  525. priesttj Says:

    That’s all he ever does is spew atats he never gets into the meat of the game itself. He’s a book reader……….period

    Anyone really watch pryor can see that kid is a feirce competitor. He hates losing and will do whsatever he has to do to win. he has tremendous work ethic and leadership skills his teams play for him. OSU was never the entire time he was there all that talented yeah he had Posey and a great HB and a decent defense but mostly they had HIM..

  526. alex7 Says:

    I missed the article where the CBA issues caused the Vikings and Titans to take a QB one round higher.

    Come on, you know Priest is a little looney talking about Barkley going in the late 2nd round.

  527. lefty12 Says:

    Cain-100% if JC continues to play as he did last week.

  528. r8dercain Says:

    Ya left ur rite there’s a few “trolls”
    but for the most part tho…..

  529. Seymour Bush Says:

    Sullivan44 Says:
    September 24th, 2011 at 11:25 pm

    Beach,

    Beane won the pennant in ‘06.

    Al Davis hasn’t had a winning season since ‘02.
    ===========================================

    Beane did not win the pennant in 06. Beane is a chump. Compared to Billy Beane, Al Davis is freaking Moses.

  530. alex7 Says:

    Ummm,

    Tispy and Priesttj

    Barring injury, you guys are saying Barkley doesn’t go in the first round.

    Put up or shut up. Put your money where your mouth is little boys.

    Apparently, you guys are smarter than every GM and scout.

  531. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj

    please explain to us idiots the difference between Pryor and Tebow.

    “competitive!” “leaders!” blah blah.

    Neither can play QB vs top competition.

  532. r8dercain Says:

    Come on, you know Priest is a little looney talking about Barkley going in the late 2nd round.
    ________

    it’s a lil premature to even start the debate.
    Agreed?

  533. priesttj Says:

    Hah! There is no comparison one can throw an NFL pass and has a very strong arm the other doesn’t one can see over the field and make throws I’m not sure the other can. I don’t compare Pryor to Tebow I compare him to Cam Newton…………..nuff said.

    YOU compared Cam Newton to Tebow though and what say you now?

  534. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj has been wrong about…

    Jamarcus, DMac, Arman Shields, DHB, BJ Raji, Pryor (compared to Newton! lol), McClain…

    the list goes on and on.

  535. r8dercain Says:

    Didn’t Mr. Ja Marcus Russell come highly touted. An we all saw what happened there
    it’s a wait an see. I’m not gonna stick my foot in my mouth on this kid.
    With ANY QB coming out of college it’s a crap shoot IMO
    you never know. But I tell I this there are more busts or wash outs then guys who have success. This I mean 1st rounders.

  536. priesttj Says:

    Ya know I remember and I’m watching Billick who actually reminded me that they had questions about Matt Stafford coming in. I remeber questioning Stafford’s accuracy. It’s very difficult until they are there but those who doubt Pryor all I have to say is wait and watch.

  537. Sullivan44 Says:

    2006 Oakland Athletics Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics

    Franchise Encyclopedia: 2005 / 2007

    93-69, Finished 1st in AL West (Schedule and Results)
    View League Standings and Leaders

    (A’s GM at this time: Billy Beane)

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/2006.shtml

    Let me know if you still need help, Seymour.

  538. priesttj Says:

    yeah you’ve been wrong about everything and everybody just shutup and no one will know you’re as dumb as you are. How could i have been wrong about DMC when everyone including myself knew he would be a star I just wanted Chris Johnson no one was wrong about DMC.

    But you compared Tebow to Cam what say you now?

  539. alex7 Says:

    Again Priest

    I know technology might not be your strong-suit.

    I can dig up my old posts in 15 seconds showing my impressed nature of Newton’s STATS (I know you hate them) vs SEC defenses.

    I compared Pryor to Tebow. Because neither can play QB.

  540. r8dercain Says:

    Tell the truth priest?
    Did u really think Newton was gonna be this good this quick?
    I’m really?

    There’s no way you could have saw this coming.
    Sh*t noone new Aaron rogers would be this successful
    ha at least not the niners. Lmfao!!

  541. alex7 Says:

    funny you say Pryor can make NFL throws and Tebow can’t.

    One guy threw 2 TDs vs the Raiders last year.

    The other can’t hack an NFL practice right now, throwing dead ducks according to all who witnessed it.

    Honestly, neither is an NFL QB.

    Neither is a Cam Newton like YOU claim :)

  542. r8dercain Says:

    Sullivan44 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 12:30 am
    2006 Oakland Athletics Batting, Pitching, & Fielding Statistics

    Franchise Encyclopedia: 2005 / 2007

    93-69, Finished 1st in AL West (Schedule and Results)
    View League Standings and Leaders

    (A’s GM at this time: Billy Beane)

    http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/OAK/2006.shtml

    Let me know if you still need help, Seymour.
    ____________
    also ALDS champs
    an a trip to the ALCS.

  543. priesttj Says:

    BTW DHB’s career isn’t over and I think he’ll be fine. I was right about DVD and Chekwa and David Ausberry. In this draft I’m also looking good with my prediction about JC so far, how bout you?

  544. priesttj Says:

    Uh! throwing dead ducks who told you that I haven’t heard one word except for his first practice. I guess that makes his career…………..LOL You are an idiot
    You’re just a loud mouth braggard making claims and running when you are wrong JC is making you look silly………….period

  545. r8dercain Says:

    When u play in the SEC u play top level teams an talent.
    Tebow an pryor played their had some success. An with that people take notice.
    But Mr. Ja Marcus Russell played their too. An he’s out of football completely.
    Guys let’s just wait an see. Be happy that JC is playing well rite now an we ain’t gotta go down that road yet.

  546. priesttj Says:

    Cain I already said several time si didn’t think Cam would be this good but I did say he could play well early enough to get by. Then in a couple of years he would rip up the league.

  547. antispy3 Says:

    My lady just got back from her dealing gig. Guess it’s time to, well, have to make her happy b4 tomorrow’s game. . .Night, all (well, most). . .

  548. r8dercain Says:

    Tell the truth priest?
    Did u really think Newton was gonna be this good this quick?
    I’m really?

    There’s no way you could have saw this coming.
    Sh*t noone new Aaron rogers would be this successful
    ha at least not the niners. Lmfao!!

  549. r8dercain Says:

    Sorry bout the repost priest

  550. alex7 Says:

    Sullivan

    don’t post stats that prove these old geezers wrong.

    It makes them mad.

    Remember, Priest thinks Jamarcus was the real deal, and McClain was the next stud MLB. And DHB was Jerry Rice!!!! And Raji was a fat slob. And Arman Shields was the next big deal.

    His track record is TERRIBLE! All he can do is name call.

  551. antispy3 Says:

    One thing about Cam; he’s playing mainly off his physical talent. But he’s as difficult to drag down as Rothelisburger, he WON’T go down; he is just aring it out; b4 too long DC’s will take that away from him.

    He wants to win; he wants to win NOW! He has a GREAT will to win.

    I hear Pryor shares that with Newton; just don’t know enough about his game; OSU was mainly interested with his ability to run the ball; didn’t really teach him the nuances of the position.

    So, he has a steep learning curve. . .don’t know what type of leader he is.

    However, & I can’t remember whom was working him out (former NFL QB, no doubt).

    But he was talking about getting his technique down will make him “worlds better.” Wish I could remember who worked him out. . .

  552. priesttj Says:

    When you saw Cam play you could see he was not some QB living off the scheme he was making throws and making plays with his arm in tough situations. The same is true with Pryor he made throws when he had to make them I’m talking about backshoulder throws and stick throws. What gets lost with Pryor is the same with JC pryor has an extremely strong arm but he can throw with touch. He sees things before they happen but the coach he had never let him get in a rythum throwing he always called runsfor him. If you allow Pryor to just throw and get in a rythum you’ll see he is a very good passer NFL calibre passer he just needs coaching.

  553. priesttj Says:

    Alex7 give it a rest man it’s gotten boring……everyone here knows you’re weak.

  554. alex7 Says:

    Priestt needs to read it twice.

    Priesttj,

    easy question. Were you honestly impressed with JC in the first game? Overthrowing deep balls. Handing the ball off over and over again?

    Are you so easily impressed that JC beat one 4-12 team? Wow!

  555. priesttj Says:

    Adios Raider fans! all fakes and frauds get out!!

  556. alex7 Says:

    lol,

    it’s ok priesttj. I know it’s hard for you to have been wrong about so many NFL players.

    It’s ok.

    $50 that Barkley is a 1st round pick barring injury?

    YES OR NO? Put up or shut up priest.

  557. alex7 Says:

    Priest

    tell us how awesome McClain is!!!! Best draft ever according to Priest!

    The awesome McClain!!!!! hahahahaha.

  558. r8dercain Says:

    BTW DHB’s career isn’t over and I think he’ll be fine. I was right about
    ______________
    you’re kidding me rite?
    I mean have you watched this kid play. I’m sorry but he looks unorthodox
    no fluidness at all. He fights himself. I keep telling y’all.

    Man I played high school ball. Castlemont class of 88
    WR #88. Look at the roster ya boy played.
    An I know what it takes to be a receiver. An one is you HAVE to be able to catch the ball with ur hands. That’s the sure way. Bread basket catches a receiver does not make.
    Now DWOW is a fluid WR. dHB looks like a track guy converted.James Jett was better
    DHB= mervyn fernandez

  559. alex7 Says:

    Priesttj

    Pryor completed 50% of his passes or worse vs USC, Miami, Wisconsin, and Iowa State.

    He threw more INTs than TDs vs those legit Ds.

    Why the stupid comparison to Cam??? Because he lit up Indiana and Purdue?

  560. 310 Raider-scum Says:

    Antispy3 reminds me of Steve Alford07? Similar in a lot of ways..

  561. alex7 Says:

    R8dercain

    Priest compared DHB to Jerry Rice and hated the Darren McFadden pick.

    Just ignore his posts.

  562. r8dercain Says:

    Why the stupid comparison to Cam??? Because he lit up Indiana and Purdue?
    ________________
    let’s cut cam some slack. He beat a VERY good Oregon team to win that
    national championship.
    Gotta give credit where it’s due fellas

  563. rob_raider Says:

    alex/sullivan–retard.

    Campbell’s 97.2 passer rating over the last five games of 2010 and two games this season puts him among the league’s elite quarterbacks.

    ur an idiot. #’s don’t lie. u do. stupid.

  564. antispy3 Says:

    Guess Jeff George & Ryan Leaf couldn’t pick that leadership thing up on the fly. And it’s so simple. . .

  565. r8dercain Says:

    Priest compared DHB to Jerry Rice and hated the Darren McFadden pick.

    Just ignore his posts.
    ______________
    WOW an DOUBLE WOW!!

    DMAC A bust. Priest u get a big ole
    C’MON MAN!!!

  566. alex7 Says:

    Wow!!

    JC has had a good 5 game stretch vs the Bills, Broncos, and Chiefs! 4-12 teams!

    He’s arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

  567. rob_raider Says:

    alex/sullivan is pete rozelle’s illegitimate redheaded stepchild. that’s why he hates al davis.

  568. rob_raider Says:

    Alex7 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:04 am
    Wow!!

    JC has had a good 5 game stretch vs the Bills, Broncos, and Chiefs! 4-12 teams!

    He’s arrived!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    ******************

    pay attention dummy. a 7 game stretch. 7 games in a row at 97.2. almost a half season in the nfl, where every team is tuff. it’s obvious. you would never admit he was doing well. ever. always an excuse. but every real fan and analyst can see it, ur just a moron.

  569. r8dercain Says:

    JC has had a good 5 game stretch vs the Bills, Broncos, and Chiefs! 4-12 teams!
    ____________
    well last yr. The chiefs won the division an hosted a playoff game
    an we swept them. With a Charlie weiss offense an Romeo crenell
    defense. Who by the way had been mentioned bfore as a possible raider HC candidate.
    But ya the other teams ,subpar competition

  570. rob_raider Says:

    what happens tomorrow if jc plays well and the raiders beat the jets? will u go away forever or just make some new excuse and hang on for another week, hoping new england will beat them?

  571. rob_raider Says:

    i love how sullivan’s big critiism of jc last week was the hail mary at the end. he said that was proof he couldn’t keep it up. i mean, what an idiot.

  572. r8dercain Says:

    Priest,

    for the record? Did you REALLY compare DHB to the GOAT really bruh?

  573. r8dercain Says:

    U really think this cat wants to see the raiders lose?
    I mean really?

    Rob_raider Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:08 am
    what happens tomorrow if jc plays well and the raiders beat the jets? will u go away forever or just make some new excuse and hang on for another week, hoping new england will beat them?

  574. alex7 Says:

    Robbie

    13 for 22 for 100 yards vs Broncos counts as good huh?

    Sad.

  575. r8dercain Says:

    But honestly. I really wanna see what MR had to say
    when the raiders start that winning trend again
    becuz there’s Bern alot of foot in mouth remarks he’s made. That’s for sure.
    No offense MR but let’s keep it real tho.

  576. alex7 Says:

    No one’s dumb enough to say JC is a terrible QB week in and week out.

    EVERYONE, however, needs to be honest and talk about how he’s looked his ENTIRE CAREER vs good D’s like the Steelers, Colts, 49ers, and Rams last year.

    Blame me for not buying his resurgence at age 30 vs two terrible defenses.

  577. r8dercain Says:

    Priest

    I guess post 572 gets no attention? Huh bruh

  578. alex7 Says:

    R8er,

    I don’t post enough to know MR’s back-story, but obviously he has a terrible reputation.

    That said, if the Jets D rolls us tomorrow, does he get to bash you guys?

  579. alex7 Says:

    if you GOOGLE “Priesttj DHB Rice” the second link talks about it. :)

  580. r8dercain Says:

    You know what. If he’s rite he should let it be known. Of he’s wrong then same goes
    man up an take ur medicine.
    Look I’m not a big Davis fan. But I’m a raider fan. He’s the owner an has a great history he’s afootball legacy. But his recent actions of the past say 7yrs. Do not reflect that.
    But if when we lose we blame Davis’ meddling. Who gets the credit for a great draft an winning. ie; making the playoffs an SB

    becuz whoever u name. Also takes the losing credit as well.
    Now who gets this privelige
    Davis,hue who my friend plz tell me?

  581. r8dercain Says:

    Alex7 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:23 am
    if you GOOGLE “Priesttj DHB Rice” the second link talks about it.
    ___________
    ok brb!

  582. alex7 Says:

    Davis will certainly deserve the credit if the Raiders become a playoff-caliber team again.

    Based on how they played vs the Broncos and the Bills, we are still a new GM and D-Coordinator away from being legit.

  583. alex7 Says:

    night all.

  584. r8dercain Says:

    Ya it’s there

  585. rob_raider Says:

    Alex7 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:13 am
    Robbie

    13 for 22 for 100 yards vs Broncos counts as good huh?

    Sad.

    *******************

    yes, actually it is. if u understood football, and not just “yardage and td’s” like most idiot casual fans, you would know that he was efficient and did what was asked of him in a game where we ran the ball a lot.

  586. rob_raider Says:

    Alex7 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 1:16 am
    No one’s dumb enough to say JC is a terrible QB week in and week out.

    EVERYONE, however, needs to be honest and talk about how he’s looked his ENTIRE CAREER vs good D’s like the Steelers, Colts, 49ers, and Rams last year.

    Blame me for not buying his resurgence at age 30 vs two terrible defenses.

    *********************

    it’s not about his “career”. he had a horrible situation for most of his career, which stunted his growth. and, as you know but like to ignore when making ur stupid posts, it’s not about 2 games. it’s about his last 7 games. almost a half season’s worth, in which he has a 97.2 rating. that’s very, very good, and there is simply no denying it if u pay attention to reality, and not ur “blind al-davis hating, find something bad to say no matter what” routine.

  587. JustWinPlease Says:

    More MOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOORE please!!! Moore has definitely earned his starting spot.. and he better be playing for the majority of the game.

  588. GoodOle00 Says:

    NEW!~09-25-11: RAIDER D SEEKS REDEMPTION
    Back up C Colin Baxter faces Death Row and the Black Hole in his first NFL start
    http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room_2011

    —–

    Man, we BETTER destroy this guy

  589. Pretty Rick Says:

    RAIDERS-30 JETS-23

  590. Carl Weathers Says:

    T-Minus, 450 Minutes…

    RRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIDDDDDEEERRRSS!!

  591. Roch R Says:

    What a GREAT day for FOOTBALL!

    GO RAIDERS!!!

    Game Plan is simple…Sustained drives, watch for heavy doses of DMac, Bush and Boss, and Chew clock.

    (Yeah I’ve got a feeling in Boss’s Raider debut we’re going to see a lot of clutch posession receptions)

    Match up to watch, Moore vs Revis, after watching the replays of the catch in double coverage, I would like to see Moore play jump ball with Revis, I like the aggressiveness.

    And lots of pressure today.

    GO RAIDERS!

  592. fingers Says:

    Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..

    Raaaaaiiiiddeerrzs ….. Raaaaaaaaaaiiidddeeeerrrrsssssssssssssss

  593. fingers Says:

    The Defense will redeem itself today……..
    Sanchez will throw At least 1 pick…
    McFadden has another big Day
    Seymour punishes Sanchez…
    McClain finally wakes up….
    Raaaaaaiiiddeeerrrrsss……just Win !!!

  594. raidermarty Says:

    The name of the game is execution today. If we can play consistently without too many mistakes we can beat anyone.
    RAIDERS 23
    jets 13

  595. neilb Says:

    24-21 Raiders in a close one.

  596. r8dercain Says:

    F’k being a bully. Let’s just go out an play solid no nonsense football. No missed assignments an play hard an to the whistle. The bully will come in due time.
    First things first tho

  597. r8dercain Says:

    Raiders 24 jets 21 <——–

    the over/under is 41
    Jets -3

  598. Method To My Madness Says:

    Cain! Im gettin a late start on the tailgate! Man this latina bz was so on my line in downtown Oakland so I had to take her to Lambo mansion. Ngga Im at Bayfair waiting for dis train to go to the Rich then me and Brother B@uce going on bART TO COLISEUM….a lot or D lot where ill be

  599. BigTed707 Says:

    Keys to the Game:

    Offense: Use the underneath quick passes to DMC, Boss, and Reece. The Jets use a lot of pressure from their front 7 and rely on shut down coverage from their DBs. Counter this by using short, quick passes to your sure handed guys, allowing them to get YAC.

    Defense: Create Turnovers and Get Off the Field! Put this game in the hands of our young offense, and not in the hands of our questionable DC and aging Defensive players. With a lack of depth on this side of the ball – the less our Defense sees the field the better.

  600. Method To My Madness Says:

    And B@uce SR. gettin on plane from LA….says nothing but Raider cats on his flight…..LA reppin yeeeeeaaaahhhh go head then SoCali

  601. BigTed707 Says:

    Stay out of Third and Longs! Don’t play to the strengths of the Jets D!

  602. JR77 Says:

    I wonder who Revis will be on…..I hope Moore busts out like Randy against the Packers on Revis….he will then have officially arrived

  603. raiderjhawk Says:

    Last night was one for the books fella’s, now I’m majorly hungover and pumped up for some RAIDERS football!!!!

    Might not be the smartest idea in the world but I’m starting D-MO on my fantasy team today.

    Man I wish I lived in Cali because I’d be there!

    CODE BLACK 2011!

  604. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Raiders are the 4PM game over here on the East Coast.

    The team has a national audience again.

    Time to bring that whuppin

  605. BigTed707 Says:

    The Raiders D needs to create some turnovers!

  606. Method To My Madness Says:

    B@uce Sr….said whole plane going RAAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDDEEEERRRRSSSS……damn im gettin a late start on tailgate! but Ill be there by 9:30! Its already buzzin in east bay baby! U can feel it!

  607. BigTed707 Says:

    Time to bring that whuppin

    *****************

    CODE BLACK!

  608. Thec07 Says:

    RRRRRAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSS

  609. Thec07 Says:

    On BART as we speak my car is CODE BLACK tha fck OUT

  610. BigTed707 Says:

    Hue must be inspiring today.
    Time to put on the Big Boy Pants!

  611. morilla Says:

    The wait is over and the reckoning starts today. Stand proud Nation and be positive, it ain’t over until that clock reads 00:00.

    I have a feeling we might see what we have been hoping for on this glorious Sunday afternoon.

  612. Thec07 Says:

    Energy at the STADIUM is electic….

  613. fingers Says:

    Raaaaaaiiiddddeeeerrrrrssssss
    Raaaaaaiiiiiidddddeeeeerrrrrssssss

    Stomp the MiJets……

  614. Thec07 Says:

    Energy at the STADIUM is electric….

  615. Gerard Says:

    614.Thec07 Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 9:09 am
    Energy at the STADIUM is electric….

    You are there? Cool. Do what u need to stop the Jets. If it takes running out on the field and making tackles yourself. We need everybody for this one.

  616. Sweep The Leg. Says:

    What’s the buzz like Thec07?

    I’ll be there soon.

  617. RaidingTexas Says:

    Game day, Nation! Check in with y’all later when it starts.

  618. Gerard Says:

    It really sucks that we all have to worry so much about our defense.

    If we had a decent D we’d be elite.

  619. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Big game from Huffy today I foresee.

  620. Gerard Says:

    Just saw on NFLN previewing Jets Raiders and everybody commented EXCEPT Sapp. They went around the table and skipped him.

  621. Thec07 Says:

    The vibe at the game is awesome… Sea of silver and black

  622. qodrn Says:

    Score predictions anyone?

    Going with Giants 32 Raiders 35.

  623. Gerard Says:

    622.qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 9:25 am
    Score predictions anyone?

    Going with Giants 32 Raiders 35.

    You realize we are playing the Jets ?

  624. EMRaiders Says:

    Today’s game seems to be the upset special for the week. Everybody is giving the Jets the game, but no one is taking into consideration that the Raiders are a much improved team, which still has room to improve, but has all the tools needed to beat any team if they play smart, mistake free football.

    This being a home opener, after a 1-1 start and last weeks heart breaking loss, this has all the makings of an upset. This is a Vegas dream game, because 90% of the people will take the Jets, and the Raiders will end up winning.

    I hope I was there.

    I predicted a loss, but I’m hoping the Raiders pull it off.

    And, wouldn’t it be sweet if KC beat SD as well?

    GO RAIDERS!

  625. qodrn Says:

    Some predictions:

    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Giants 32 Raiders 35
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

    Not too many, Raider Nation!

  626. hwnrdr Says:

    Good Morning Nation!!!
    Those of you at the game…give ‘um HELL!!!
    Thec07…are you there? I was supposed to be there, but had to work! I guess that is what I get for going to Hawaii last week…

  627. qodrn Says:

    Sorry, it is hard for a Raider fan to get up this early.

    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

    All better now.

  628. MistaBrown Says:

    THEC!

  629. qodrn Says:

    Sorry Gerard.

    I tend to think of the Jets as “the green football team from New York” although I couldn’t tell you what colors the Giants are at the moment.

  630. ghostraiders Says:

    Sapp is a sapp! ! Fat asss pile of crap!! Stole all That money from the raiders and now puts them down every chance he gets..

  631. Gerard Says:

    629.qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 9:45 am
    Sorry Gerard.

    I tend to think of the Jets as “the green football team from New York” although I couldn’t tell you what colors the Giants are at the moment.

    Ha. Don’t sweat it. We all make typos. I’d give u my predicitonbut I never make score predictions when it comes to Raiders. I don’t want to jinx anything.

    I do hope like heck they win though.

  632. morilla Says:

    Kenny Albert looks like Chunk from Goonies.

  633. BigTed707 Says:

    Have a great Sunday, Nation!

    Go Raiders!

  634. Raiderbuck Says:

    CJ get ready to be the main target today, watch those short over the middle and post slant patterns! Lets go Raiders!!!!!!

  635. Thec07 Says:

    What up BROWN????? Where u at?

  636. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    627.qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 9:37 am
    Sorry, it is hard for a Raider fan to get up this early.

    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

    All better now.
    _______________________________________
    Figured GG would keep track this week. Been busy so I didnt do it.

    Raiders 40 – Jets 34

  637. Gerard Says:

    Raiderbuck,

    He said he was gonna “fix this sh**”, so we’ll see.

  638. Thec07 Says:

    Yeah I am at the game in RAIDERVILLE

  639. Gerard Says:

    Already Fitzpatrick intercepted.

    Brady 5-5 and a TD.

    NE 7
    Buff 0

  640. PlunkforHOF Says:

    What up Manouk? GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

    CODE BLACK

    Raiders 31
    Jerks 20

  641. Gerard Says:

    If Brady keeps this up he will absolutely shred the record books.

    Take care of today and then we worry about outscoring him.

  642. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Been busy. My boys put it to Yerington 33-32 last night. Thats this Yeringtons teams first loss in 3 years.

  643. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Nice.. sounds like it was a nailbiter. You coach for.. Sparks?

  644. Gerard Says:

    NE 14
    Buff 0

    Brady 2 TD’s.

  645. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    SYFL Wooster 6th 7th 8th graders. Trying to help get there High school program going by send kid into high school read to play. Have a good team this year 4-0. First team to score on us and they put up 32. We looked like the Raiders last week…We were up 30-6 at the half.

  646. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Mike Vick now has more combined turnovers (fumbles lost and INT’s) than total TD’s on the year.

    If you go back the last 11 games, he has 1 more combined TD than turnovers.

    But hey, MVP candidate right??

    LMAO…..most overrated athlete in sports.

  647. Gerard Says:

    Carolina 2
    Jax 0

    3rd inning, 2 men on.

  648. PlunkforHOF Says:

    You’re right Vegas, the “Dream Team” is a myth…

    I’m down 3 out of 4 on my morning parley.

  649. hwnrdr Says:

    647.Gerard Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am
    Carolina 2
    Jax 0

    3rd inning, 2 men on.

    Too Funny!

  650. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Passed right over Vick in my FFL draft. did great for me last year but didnt have any faith in him this year.

  651. Just Fire Baby Says:

    One good half of the season, and the Eagles give the guy a $100 million dollar contract.

    Since 2005, Vick has won as many playoff games as Jamarcus Russell.

  652. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
    One good half of the season, and the Eagles give the guy a $100 million dollar contract.

    Since 2005, Vick has won as many playoff games as Jamarcus Russell.

    *************************************************

    And I’ll always hate the guy for being a dog torturer

  653. VanHeathen Says:

    vick is a piece of crap..
    Nnamdi whiffs on an open field tackle that leads to a TD…Uck the Feagles!

    CODE BLACK!

  654. severeraiderz Says:

    Daaaamn that dude just made asomugha look like a fool lol

  655. EMRaiders Says:

    NYJ 20 OAK 23

    All the fans at the game need to show NY how it is done in the west coast!

    The Crowd needs to stay in the game the whole game, there might be mistakes, turnovers, and penalties, but as long as this game stays close, we need to make some noise!

    It’s going to be an old fashion barn burner, but the crowd needs to pump the players up!

  656. qodrn Says:

    The list is growing, but this is not a good showing Raider Nation.

    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

  657. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    We need a rain delay for the Raider game so I can get home in time from work to see it start.

  658. PlunkforHOF Says:

    qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 10:43 am
    The list is growing, but this is not a good showing Raider Nation.

    *******************************************88

    Lots of semi-pros already tailgating.

  659. kokomo Says:

    Code black

    On my way to the Coliseum. No place better than a sell out Coliseum.

    I just saw Nnamdi miss a tackle that went for a long TD.

  660. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Qodrn

    When i did my list i updated it everyday and skimmed every post when i logged on and got the scores. That is why the last 2 list were so long.

  661. R8derdiehard Says:

    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    R8derdiehard oaktown 35 jerks 20

  662. PlunkforHOF Says:

    There were picks made in posts during most of the week.

  663. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Thank the Lord for the NFL Ticket through that Playstation 3

    Watching through the Broadband connection….perfect quality and no dish.

    Watching carolina vs jax

    Battle of rook QBs

    Gabbert looking good on this drive

  664. EMRaiders Says:

    Hey Don,

    What I usually do if I can’t watch the game is I keep track of the score up until half time, and then I don’t check again until I get home to watch the game. I figure that way I get my fix a bit, but don’t ruin the out come. Plus if it is a blowout at the half, I don’t have to hurry home either. lol…

  665. qodrn Says:

    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

    Getting a little better.

  666. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    EM

    I have to get a DVR and I would just avoid the radio and this site until I got home. I usually get home right at the half

  667. Just Fire Baby Says:

    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    JFB Raiders 31 NYJ 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

  668. qodrn Says:

    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21

  669. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Cam is very very wild this morning.

    Missing wide open guys

  670. R8derdiehard Says:

    You guys are double posting the score guesses

  671. davidon Says:

    Buffalo..now they’re calling every hold penalty on the Bills today. LOL.

  672. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    JFB,

    Cam is throwing high. but his elusiveness just saved a sack

  673. RaiderLen Says:

    Qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    ——————————————
    Gave my prediction On Tuesday.

    Statement game for the Raydahs.

    Raiders 31 Jets 17

  674. qodrn Says:

    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42 – 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10

    Well, the list is growing, but slow. I guess the defense really wigged folks out last week.

  675. qodrn Says:

    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42 – 17
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10

  676. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Guess we might want to hold up on the Lions Super Bowl party.

  677. morilla Says:

    Raiders 24 – Jets 20

  678. qodrn Says:

    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42-17
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10

    All fixed now. Lousy laptop.

  679. EMRaiders Says:

    Last week we were 21-3 up on the Bills. And look what happened. Now they are down 21-0 vs the Pats, could they pull it off again????

    NOT! The Bills are a fluke 2-0 team, which should be 1-1 if it wasn’t for our defensive meltdown and blown holding calls by the refs plus stupid D penalties on our part. A lucky 2-0 team, that is what they are.

  680. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 10:56 am
    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    ——————————————
    Gave my prediction On Tuesday.

    Statement game for the Raydahs.

    Raiders 31 Jets 17

    **********************************************

    more from tue/wed:

    LARaider Dave Raiders 17 Jets 14
    SilverNBlackPA Raiders 26 Jets 20
    909Raiderlifer Raiders 16 nyj 13
    R8eray Raiders 21 Jets 17
    HueJacksBullies Oakland 34 NYJ 31
    Big Mamma Raiders 38 Jets 10
    Dirty Raccoon Raiders 31 NYJ 20
    DownSouthRaiders Raiders 24 Jets 14
    Tex Guy Raiders 19 Jets 17

  681. qodrn Says:

    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Morilla Raiders 24 Jets 20
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42-17
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10

    Getting better.

  682. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    EMRaiders Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 11:10 am
    Last week we were 21-3 up on the Bills. And look what happened. Now they are down 21-0 vs the Pats, could they pull it off again????

    NOT! The Bills are a fluke 2-0 team, which should be 1-1 if it wasn’t for our defensive meltdown and blown holding calls by the refs plus stupid D penalties on our part. A lucky 2-0 team, that is what they are.
    ===============================================
    Its over man. Put that game in the rear-view

  683. Just Fire Baby Says:

    You are leaving out my 31-16 Raiders prediction

  684. EMRaiders Says:

    Oh, Oh, 21-7, Buf just scored.

  685. Just Fire Baby Says:

    I couldn’t imagine life without the Sunday ticket.

    Those in the Bay, are you stuck with Bengals-49ers only, or do you at least have a CBS game?

  686. EMRaiders Says:

    It is SnB, it is. (bitterly) lol..

  687. qodrn Says:

    909Raiderlifer Raiders 16 nyj 13
    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    Dirty Raccoon Raiders 31 NYJ 10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    HueJacksBullies Oakland 34 NYJ 31
    LARaider Dave Raiders 17 Jets 14
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Morilla Raiders 24 Jets 20
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 17
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42-17
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    R8eray Raiders 21 Jets 17
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10
    SilverNBlackPA Raiders 26 Jets 10
    Tex Guy Raiders 19 Jets 17

    thanks Plunkforhof.

  688. PlunkforHOF Says:

    Whiners only in Reno

  689. qodrn Says:

    JustFire

    Assume Raiders 31 Jets 16?

  690. PlunkforHOF Says:

    You’re welocom.. now respell me and Plunketthead! lol

  691. PlunkforHOF Says:

    welcome

  692. EMRaiders Says:

    LOL, Tom Brady is in the redzone again…

  693. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    Oakland Raiders 10 New York Jets 7

  694. EMRaiders Says:

    OH, nevermind.

  695. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Wow that Jon Stewart run was something else.

    Never seen a guy go backwards but not touch down.

  696. Just Fire Baby Says:

    JustFire

    Assume Raiders 31 Jets 16?

    ******************

    yessir

  697. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 11:17 am
    I couldn’t imagine life without the Sunday ticket.

    Those in the Bay, are you stuck with Bengals-49ers only, or do you at least have a CBS game?
    ============================================
    This Sunday Ticket is great. Keeps me out of the bar and I get sound on all the games with a click of the game controller.

  698. hwnrdr Says:

    LOL…I guess Carolina and Jax are playing baseball and I guess the 9ers and Alex Smith aren’t doing anything either…3-0? Really?

  699. qodrn Says:

    909Raiderlifer Raiders 16 nyj 13
    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    Dirty Raccoon Raiders 31 NYJ 10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    HueJacksBullies Oakland 34 NYJ 31
    JustFire Raiders 31 Jets 16
    LARaider Dave Raiders 17 Jets 14
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    MiamiRaider78 Oakland Raiders 10 New York Jets 7
    Morilla Raiders 24 Jets 20
    PlunkforHof Raiders 31 Jerks 17
    PlunkettHead Im predicting a beatdown 42-17
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    R8eray Raiders 21 Jets 17
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10
    SilverNBlackPA Raiders 26 Jets 10
    Tex Guy Raiders 19 Jets 17

    Okay okay.

  700. EMRaiders Says:

    How about Det and Min game, Vikes finally woke up!

  701. hwnrdr Says:

    21-10 NE…I guess they picked off Brady in the end zone!

  702. EMRaiders Says:

    NE 21 Buf 10, don’t call it a comeback… lol. Damn those Bills.

  703. neilb Says:

    Enjoy the Giants/Eagles game.Bound to be a fight before this ones over.

  704. hwnrdr Says:

    Wonder why no one is writing about how long it is taking everyone to get in the parking lot today…i heard the attendants are really bad today!

  705. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    Van Dyke is inactive. Damn, hope our secondary plays well and our d-line even better.

  706. EMRaiders Says:

    DVD is inactive? who is taking his place? You know who we should activate, Sterling Moore. That guy seemed to be able to make plays.

  707. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Lights out on offence today. Got to score alot of points.

  708. GForce21 Says:

    priesttj Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 12:35 am

    BTW DHB’s career isn’t over and I think he’ll be fine. I was right about DVD and Chekwa and David Ausberry. In this draft I’m also looking good with my prediction about JC so far, how bout you?
    ————————-

    What were you right about referencing DVD, Chekwa and Ausberry? That they made the roster?

    None of those guys have done anything yet.

    You make some epically stupid comments.

  709. DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:

    Coaches should be able to take the field. Throw Woodson out there a play here and there.

  710. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    Maybe Chimdi will move to safety and Huff at corner in certain packages?

  711. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Joe Porter replaced DVD in the 2nd half of the Denver game, and has been playing ahead of DVD since than.

    I have been saying it on here for weeks, yet no one wants to acknowledge it.

  712. Just Fire Baby Says:

    Yeah Priest was right about Ausberry.

    He said he would lead the team in TD receptions, lol

  713. EMRaiders Says:

    lol @ # 709

    I don’t know whether to agree or not with that one. Might not be a bad idea.

  714. EMRaiders Says:

    On to the next blog.

  715. SnB offense defense specialteams Says:

    I keep telling this board repeatedly that they expect way too much of those mid to late round picks.

  716. Gerard Says:

    701.hwnrdr Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 11:31 am
    21-10 NE…I guess they picked off Brady in the end zone!

    Wow! After going up 14-0 in the first 5 mins. i thought this was gonna be a big time NE blowout.

  717. antispy3 Says:

    Pats 21, Bills 17. But things could change. . .Pats have big injury concerns on the Dline & secondary.

    Rasi-Dowling is one of ‘em. That’s why you don’t draft the kid.

    Like Chung, though. Their safety responsibilities are different than ours but think Chung could play in any defensive backfield. . .

  718. antispy3 Says:

    S.F. 3, Cin 3, bottom of the 6th. . .

  719. Gerard Says:

    21-17 NE now.

    Don’t look now but this one ain’t over.

  720. antispy3 Says:

    Pats kick FG, up 7 on Bills.

  721. R8derdiehard Says:

    Links for the game?

  722. antispy3 Says:

    Red Zone Rules! Even the girlfriend approves!

  723. Thec07 Says:

    DMOORE will be doing. PR
    TJ has kickoffs

  724. GForce21 Says:

    Red Zone is pretty phenomenal

  725. antispy3 Says:

    Michael Vick; concussed for THE SECOND STRAIGHT GAME!

  726. r8dercain Says:

    Qodrn Says:
    September 25th, 2011 at 11:12 am
    Big Momma Raiders will beat the Jets 42-10
    DonM’sNeighbor Raiders 40 – Jets 34
    DownSouthRaider Raiders 24 Crop Dusters 14
    EM Raider NYJ 20 OAK 23
    Fingers Raiders 27….. MiJets 17…..
    GG Raiders 27 Jets 16
    NeilB 24-21 Raiders in a close one.
    Morilla Raiders 24 Jets 20
    PlunkforHoff Raiders 31 Jerks 20
    PlunketHead Im predicting a beatdown 42-17
    Pretty Rick RAIDERS-30 JETS-23
    Qodrn Jets 32 Raiders 35
    RaiderJambo RAIDERS 34 jets 10
    Raiderlen Raiders 31 Jets 17
    RaiderMarty RAIDERS 23 jets 13
    R8derNation Raiders 24 jets 21
    RaiderRetribution Raiders 24 – New York 10
    r8dercain Raiders 24 Jets 21

  727. r8dercain Says:

    Kid has a fever. At kaiser. I’m gonna miss this one guy. Sick kids.

  728. antispy3 Says:

    Raiders 20, Jets 17. . .

  729. antispy3 Says:

    Texans playing scary good right now. New Orleans is depleated passing game.

    Vick back in the Eagles game. . .not concussed after all; yet. . .

  730. antispy3 Says:

    By the looks of the Tennessee game wish they were on the schedule this year. Could use the Hasselbeck statue effect again. . .

  731. antispy3 Says:

    . . .Denver stood up @ the goal line. . .

  732. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    Wade Phillips is a great d cord.

  733. antispy3 Says:

    Ochocinco is wearing red shoes. won’t that ATTRACT DB’s?

  734. MiamiRaider78 Says:

    FML-CBS in Miami has a double header today, first game fins at browns, second is…bull riding. C’mon man!

  735. antispy3 Says:

    Brady throws three picks, the most recent of the goal line version. Lotsa uneven (all year long) play throughout the league. . .

    atdhenet.tv has the game. . .

  736. dcraiderfan Says:

    Go to see the Raiders win a home! Congrats to all around! Is Janitor in the closet losing his touch or was it because of the dirt? Offense responded nicely but again defense keep letting the team down in final 4 minutes and the penalties is killing the momentum. Stop it now! Otherwise tight game, but the Raiders brought it on when they needed to!! If you look at it for now we’re in first place!!! Score more points in the game than SD. Keep HJ Happy boys!

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