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Belichick on Raiders, Davis

Some great stuff from Patriots coach Bill Belichick today to New England reporters on his head coaching inteview with Al Davis before the 1998 season. As closed off as Belichick can be, occasionally he is expansive and illuminating. He’s said some of these things before, but they’re worth repeating:

Q: What do you remember from that meeting with Al Davis? What did you take away from that?

Belichick: I thought it was good. It was good. It was good experience for me. I went out there after the ’98 season. We had a good couple days of conversation. I told him when I got out there – it really seemed like a waste of time because I felt pretty certain that he wouldn’t hire a defensive coach, because he hasn’t since Eddie Erdelatz in (1960).

Note: Davis didn’t hire Erdelatz. He was working for Sid Gillman and the Los Angeles Chargers.

It’s a parade of offensive coaches out there. He’s really a defensive coordinator and has been. You know, it was good because we talked a lot about football and he’s very, very knowledgeable about the game, personnel, schemes, adjustments and so forth. He was asking a lot of questions about what we did defensively. You kind of don’t want to give too much information there because you know, he’s running the defense. He wasn’t really too interested in talking about offensive football – a little bit. He’s a great mind.

It was unlike any other interview I’ve ever had with an owner because he was so in-depth, his interview was so in-depth really about football, about ‘Xs’ and ‘Os’ and strategy and use of personnel and acquisition of – all the things really that a coach would talk about, that’s really what he talked about. That made it pretty unique. But he hired a good coach, [Jon] Gruden. Which is again, in all honesty, the way that I expected it to go because that’s been all the Oakland coaches from Art Shell to Mike White, Joe Bugel, [Mike] Shanahan, you know right down the line, Lane Kiffin, they’re all offensive coaches.

They have their own way of doing things which is interesting but certainly well thought-out and well planned. I’m not saying that in a negative way at all, they just have their own of doing it – they’ve had a lot of success. It was a great experience for me to have those couple days of conversations with him and also some other members of his organization relative, again, to the overall way of doing things.

Q: You’re obviously someone who has taken things from other great coaches and coordinators in the past. What mark did Al Davis leave on you defensively when you look back at his Raiders teams from the ‘60s and ‘70s?

Belichick: Well, you look at the same thing today, there’s not a lot of difference. Like I said, he’s really run the defense and to a large extent the kicking game out there for the ‘60s, ‘70s, 80’s, 90’s – 40 years, maybe more than that, I don’t know. But he’s, again they have their style of play, they have their way of doing things. As much as you can say this is a copycat league and things like that, you can’t really say that about them because they’ve done the same thing now for decades defensively and to a certain extent, offensively.

Through the course of my career, I’ve had the opportunity, just as luck would have it really, that some people that I was very close to in coaching were in that organization. In talking football, I feel like I know a lot about what they do, how they do it, again through third parties now, not directly, but through third parties. It makes a lot of sense. They definitely have a plan. I think I understand basically what they’re trying to do and how they’re trying to do it. I think it’s consistent and I’ve taken a lot from that.

The personnel side of it, the way they look at certain things in the game and what their priorities are. I definitely have tried to look at those and incorporate some of them into what we do. We do things a little bit differently than they do, but that’s okay. You just want it to be consistent and you want it to finish at the end game – where you want to be. That’s what everybody is trying to do. It’s well thought-out. I don’t think it’s a trial-and-error system. It’s a proven system, they believe in it and they’re going to follow it.

Q: You mentioned the Raiders way of doing things. Hue Jackson seems to have really taken on the Raiders persona and he’s talked about wanting to instill that Raiders and ‘Black Hole’ culture into the team. Have you noticed them transitioning back to the way things were when they were in the height of their organization?

Belichick: Again, I don’t know that that’s ever totally left. I definitely think he’s done a good job of building on the Raider pride and their historical success. Again, they played well last year, won every game in their division, which as we know is hard to do and [they] are off to a good start this year. He’s done a good job with the team – the team is playing well.

They were a good football team last year and they’ve been a good football team. I’m not saying their record has always reflected that. We’ve never played the Raiders or prepared to play the Raiders and not recognized the strengths that they had and what they’re capable of doing. I can’t speak to all the other games and so forth, but just watching them, they do a lot of things. They have a good team, they have a good program in place and its showing up in the win column so far this year and it did last year in their division. You have to recognize that.

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  • Davy Jones

    Sullivan44 Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
    Davy Jones Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    Good. Al has fleeced him in every trade since the Randy Moss trade.

    ……..

    Surely you’re not basing this on their respective winning percentages since that time….

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    I’m sure YOU are judging it that way, but to an impartial observer, a 3rd for Burgess and a 5th for Gabriel was hihgway robbery. The Seymour trade, while not a robbery, is working out better for us than them.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    RapSheet The Patriots have declared TE Aaron Hernandez (knee), RT Sebastian Vollmer (back) and DL Mike Wright (head) OUT for #Raiders game
    32 minutes ago

  • DeuceDeuce

    Obviously.

  • Sullivan44

    Davy, you do understand the object of this game is to win, right?

    Belichick wins.

    Davis doesn’t.

    But go ahead and brag about how Davis “fleeces” him with trades. lol. Like it does any good.

  • DMAC

    Method To My Madness Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:00 pm

    Hwnrdr….yes bruh! Its on….Clear Remy the big boy is coming out. Hope to meet Dirt Lot as well
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    We need to say a place where we’ll be, because I got a feeling the phones will be fked up again.

  • DeuceDeuce

    We will get blown out if we go 0-8 on 3rd downs again. Thats the keyto the game. Converting 3rd downs and keeping Brady on the sidelines.

  • Sullivan44

    Belichick gets what he wants from Davis, and continues to win. That’s not getting fleeced.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    Is Vollmer their starter @ RT?…

  • bcz24

    The Seymour trade, while not a robbery, is working out better for us than them.
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    I think that was an equal trade, and in the end they will get more out of it. Solder is playing pretty solid football right now, and will be around a lot longer than Seymour

  • bcz24

    58.909RaiderLifer Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
    Is Vollmer their starter @ RT?…
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    He is, but he hasnt played yet this season, Solder has started every game at RT

  • RaiderRockstar

    Interesting …

    Rookie OT Nate Solder (the Pats selected with the Seymour pick) will be starting at RT for the injured Sebastian Vollmer!

    Kam Wimbley = 3 sacks

    Mankins limited participation in practice this week with an undisclosed illness.

    Seymour/Kelly ready?

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Q….Raiders 34…….Pats 28……..

  • DeuceDeuce

    bcz24 Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    The Seymour trade, while not a robbery, is working out better for us than them.
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    I think that was an equal trade, and in the end they will get more out of it. Solder is playing pretty solid football right now, and will be around a lot longer than Seymour

    Cant account for the impact of Seymour in the locker room

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    JDJohnDickinson #RAIDERS injury update: C. Johnson OUT… Reece, Shaughnessy, Ford, Huff, Mitchell all questionable @957thegame
    26 minutes ago

  • Davy Jones

    Sullivan44 Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
    Davy, you do understand the object of this game is to win, right?

    Belichick wins.

    Davis doesn’t.

    But go ahead and brag about how Davis “fleeces” him with trades. lol. Like it does any good.

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    So Richard Seymour hasn’t done any good for this team. Riiiiggght.

  • bcz24

    Imagine the life you must lead to wake up every day and know that ripping on Al Davis, and getting laughed at is all you have to look forward too… Damn your life must be an endless pit of despair. I would off myself if I was you.

  • raiderjhawk

    When are some of you guys going to come to the realization that the person who is taking Nick Millers spot on the roster is going to be Pryor?

    We’re not cutting a player to bring in a player just to cut another player in two weeks. It’s that simple. Miller won’t be a Raider come week 6.

  • DeuceDeuce

    Trevor Scott needs to have a big game.

  • Silverandblack666

    What Bill was saying in a nice way was that Al runs the defense and has for 40 years and it has not changed in those 40 years.

  • SharkCatcher

    Someone just said john Henderson should be inactive and that he doesn’t do anything.lol.do you know how to watch football? Stats isn’t everything. He is one of the most respected guys on the team and plugs up the hole.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    He is, but he hasnt played yet this season, Solder has started every game at RT
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    Thanks Bcz24…

  • bcz24

    Cant account for the impact of Seymour in the locker room
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    Absolutely, I am not saying that we didnt get our moneys worth. Not at all, just saying that if Solder works out to be a 10 year starter on their OLine then they made out pretty well.

  • PlunkforHOF

    Whats up Raider fans.. and the other. Got my ticket in my hand, and will be blasting over the Sierras EARLY Sum morn.

  • PlunkforHOF

    Sun..

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    JDJohnDickinson The only hint coach Jackson gave as to who would start for any of the injured players is Jarvis Moss possibly for Shaughnessy #Raiders
    30 minutes ago

  • Davy Jones

    bcz24 Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
    The Seymour trade, while not a robbery, is working out better for us than them.
    ************************
    I think that was an equal trade, and in the end they will get more out of it. Solder is playing pretty solid football right now, and will be around a lot longer than Seymour

    =====================================

    We’ll see. Solder has played well so far, but has yet to demonstrate that he will ever be the kind of impact player Seymour is.

    And you don’t know that he will be around a lot longer. Solder could blow out a knee on Sunday and Seymour could play as long as Bruce Smith did.

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Plunk, off topic, were you at the airshow? A tradgedy!

  • PlunkforHOF

    No, I was working… But had some people come in who were there. They all looked shell-shocked and were saying they felt lucky to have survived.

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    JDJohnDickinson Coach Jackson said it will be, “next man up” in the secondary but hadn’t determined who would start at those positions #Raiders
    29 minutes ago
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    Chimdi-Changa to the rescue….

  • DMAC

    909RaiderLifer Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:31 pm

    JDJohnDickinson The only hint coach Jackson gave as to who would start for any of the injured players is Jarvis Moss possibly for Shaughnessy #Raiders
    30 minutes ago
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    I want to see some more of this on pretty boy, this week end. (Rip his fk’n head off!)
    http://www.boston.com/partners/greader/ipad/images/cd26raiders__960x600.jpg

  • http://Raiders4Ever.com 860Todd Christensen

    Enjoy yourself on Sun, we are going to take it to the house!

  • PlunkforHOF

    I am geeked beyond belief… CODE BLACK!!!

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Raiders 33
    Pats 30

  • RaiderRockstar

    Someone just said john Henderson should be inactive and that he doesn’t do anything.lol.do you know how to watch football? Stats isn’t everything. He is one of the most respected guys on the team and plugs up the hole.

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    SharkCatcher,

    you missed the point.

    FYI – I never said “he doesn’t do anything”

    I suggested he be inactive so that we can keep as many pass rushers on the field as possible. Big John certainly isn’t going to do that. He’s a run clogger. Do you see Green-Ellis & Woodhead running for 150-200? me neither. Brady needs to be on his back. Thats why I want Houston in the middle subbing for Seymour & Kelly and a pass rusher on each end! Get it?

    I’m not hating on Henderson. It’s about strengths & weaknesses. We may have enough injured players to fill up the inactive list? who knows? toss Nick Miller in with them too. He’s hot trash for sure. I just don’t want to see JH on the field unless it’s 4th & 1 on the goaline and Tom Brady is gonna do a QB keeper

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    They just re-played Papa’s radio call of the Tuck Job, on the local sport talk radio here…

    The horrah…the horra…

  • Davy Jones

    Back to the fleecing subject: New England got NOTHING out of Derrick Burgess, and the Raiders got . . . LaMarr Houston.

    Burgess, on the other hand, is currently without a job.

    Sorry, MR, but I’m going to go ahead and say that trade DID help. And it’s going to keep on helping.

    Belicheat got fleeced.

  • RaiderRockstar

    I am geeked

    ***

    LOL!

    haven’t heard that catch phrase in a while.

    PlunkHOF = Cable guy?

  • RaiderRockstar

    New England got NOTHING out of Derrick Burgess, and the Raiders got . . . LaMarr Houston.

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    DJ,

    perhaps I’m missing some draft day trades or something, but Houston was a 2nd rounder

    we got two 3rd’s for Burgess

  • RaiderRockstar

    later gents!

  • DMAC

    I know MM hasn’t played or practiced at all, but we could really use him this week end to help contain Gradkowski. Wonder how much playing MM will get?

  • http://build-a-bully 909RaiderLifer

    I want to see some more of this on pretty boy, this week end. (Rip his fk’n head off!)
    “““““““““““““““““““““““““““`
    Damn straight!
    CODE BLACK!……

  • LA to TheBay

    RRS, we traded down with NE before getting Houston with that 2nd. Got an extra pick from NE out of it. So I think we actually got Ford out of it.

  • LA to TheBay

    Or Veldheer? We wheeled and dealed a bit that day.

  • Carl Weathers

    RRS,

    Isn’t Henderson 6’7″? The man would be an asset getting his arms up to maybe bat down those short crossing routes to Welker or TE’s.

  • Davy Jones

    RaiderRockstar Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    New England got NOTHING out of Derrick Burgess, and the Raiders got . . . LaMarr Houston.

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    DJ,

    perhaps I’m missing some draft day trades or something, but Houston was a 2nd rounder

    we got two 3rd’s for Burgess

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    You’re right, it was the third rounder, which was Veldheer. Still would make that trade every day and twice on Sundays.

    It was a third and a fifth, btw. The fifth would be Walter McFadden.

  • LA to TheBay

    Big John will be active and has to be. I have this weird feeling that NE will try to run on us more than they did vs. their first 3 opponents.

  • SharkCatcher

    I see your point . I still feel that t you need massive strength in the middle to make the line collapse and force Brady out the pocket and into an in coming de.Houston is legit but not strong enough to play dt(I know he played that in college)

  • Carl Weathers

    DMAC, I think MM34 practiced all week. So he probably could go at least half the snaps if needed. Can’t wait for this game!!!

  • 0ak_R8Dr89

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    Hey raider peeps i live in socal and i want to go to the nov10 game in san Diego and i want to take my three year old son to see his first football game. Do u guys think thats a good idea seeing how rowdy fans can get? And also for those who have been there is there any bad seats there..i heard it was a pretty good stadium?

  • bcz24

    92.LA to TheBay Says:
    September 30th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
    RRS, we traded down with NE before getting Houston with that 2nd. Got an extra pick from NE out of it. So I think we actually got Ford out of it.
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    We got Ford with the 4th from Jacksonville for Morrison.