Important numbers to keep in mind with Palmer trade
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, October 18th, 2011 at 8:42 am in Oakland Raiders.
As the Raiders near completion of a trade for quarterback Carson Palmer, here’s some important numbers to keep in mind:
62.9 — That is Palmer’s career completion percentage. He is a very accurate passer, especially on intermediate and deep throws. That has to be enticing to Raiders coach Hue Jackson and offensive coordinator Al Saunders.
5/6 — Those are the rounds the Raiders hold draft picks in for the 2012 NFL draft. The first-rounder would go to the Bengals, the third-rounder was used to get quarterback Terrelle Pryor in the supplemental draft in August, the second-rounder was used to get third- and fourth-round picks from the Patriots in this year’s draft, and the fourth-rounder went to the Washington Redskins for quarterback Jason Campbell.
The seventh-rounder went bye-bye in a trade for outside linebacker Aaron Curry last week.
On the bright side, the Raiders likely will receive one or more compensatory selection for losing free agents Nnamdi Asomugha, Zach Miller and Robert Gallery.
97 — Palmer has started 97 games during his eight-year NFL career — he sat out his rookie season, by the way. That is 27 starts more than Campbell.
32 — Palmer turns 32 in December, and he has absorbed a ton of hits during his career.
289 — That’s how many days it has been since Palmer played in a game of any kind. Therefore, it’s likely that Palmer will need some time before he is up to speed.
28 — The Raiders haven’t won a Super Bowl since the 1983 season. Hence, Jackson is making good on his oft-repeated mantra about “the time is now.”
If the Raiders win a Super Bowl with Palmer at quarterback, no one will remember how much Palmer cost to bring aboard.
86.9 — Palmer’s passer rating isn’t in the range of, say Drew Brees, Tom Brady or Peyton Manning, but he has a track record of stringing together impressive games.
Campbell’s passer rating is 82.8 during his NFL career. He posted an 84.5 for the Raiders last season and is at 84.2 this season.
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October 18th, 2011 at 8:43 am
RAIDER NATION
October 18th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Remember you heard it here first
October 18th, 2011 at 8:44 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I WILL BE AT THE KC GAME TO WITNESS THIS EPIC EVENT….
PALMER WILL START ON SUNDAY
I’ll be there bro…
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I will see you there….Things just got a little bit more intersting in the AFC west….
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
This is a stupid trade.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
We’ve been in a drought for weven years and yet people can find fault with the rain cloud saying it’s too ddark…..
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
I think Coach Jackson is sending the team a message – OUR TIME IS NOW!
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And also “Kyle Boller sucks.”
Watch the video of the presser rather than read the words. Hue basically called him a disappointment as a first rounder and expressed almost zero confidence in him.
After watching that last night, I became convinced Hue would go all out for Carson and also tat Jason Campbell’s career as a Raider is done, which is too bad, but this is – as they say – a busness.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
8 years*
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Well, everything else that happens around here seems to divide the Nation into two camps. Why would this be any different?
I don’t like the deal, but again, I get behind Palmer and hope for the best. I still want to win.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
And remember that Palmer has REALLY hated playing for the Bungholes the last few years. Once again, a breath of fresh air.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
LMAO!!!
This is going to be a bust deal!!!!!
You heard it from me first!!! Print that!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Palmer won’t start on Sunday.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
If the Raiders win a Super Bowl with Palmer at quarterback, no one will remember how much Palmer cost to bring aboard.
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Cost the #32 pick in the 2011 and 2012 drafts LOL.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Reading some of these posts, its clear a lot of you only watch Raiders football games, then occasionally look at a stat sheet to determine how well a player did. We were already going to win the div with Campbell. Campbell has never been a better QB than Palmer, ever in his life, and still isnt. The poster that said Palmer has “questionable” arm strength, WHAT? Palmer has one of the strongest arms in the league, everyone knows this. There is not one throw Palmer can not make. Everyone should do themselves a favor and watch Palmers games from last year, see his tendencies, see what he did right/wrong, and imagine him with our current offense. If youre still complaining after that, you dont know football, buddy. We just became one the elite teams in the league and there is not a defense that will be able to hold us under 25 in the whole league next year. Worth a couple late 1st rounders? You damn right. Giving up a 1st rounder, yep, just like we did for Seymour. Only difference is, the Bengals wont get the 18th pick in return, theyre getting a VERY LATE 1st. So we have our franchise QB for 2 late 1st rounders. Look at our schedule. What team scares you? GB? Maybe Det? Other than that, there arent teams that can beat us. We are a top 10 team, and you fans need to start thinking that way. So now we are a top 10 team WITH a franchise QB.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Kinda disappointed, I honestly think he’s done
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Tricky70390 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:45 am
This is a stupid trade.
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This is a fantastic trade! to get an overall number one, who has played well, is coming back to his home state, in a good state physically and mentally, don’t be a moron.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
big arm born in Fresno went to USC, Al is smiling
October 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
And remember that Palmer has REALLY hated playing for the Bungholes the last few years. Once again, a breath of fresh air.
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So we will have at least 3 big name Raiders playing their former teams.
Hopefully Palmer doe better against Cincy than Seymour against NE. Wimbley collapsed the pocket several times v. Cleveland but no sacks or FFs.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am
morilla Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Palmer won’t start on Sunday.
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Logic would dictate it would be Boller however, I would not put anything past Coach Al Jackson…
October 18th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Three of next year’s picks are gone for three different QBs. LOL Wow – For the love of all things please get a fkn legitimate general manager ASAP.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
This is by far the worst move of the 2011 season.
1.) carson is a quitter. he bailed on his team in cinci and isnt a leader. Carson is a front runner, that is fine when everything goes his way, but dont look for him to be able to dig deep when the going gets rough. when the bungles needed him he folded up his tent, mailed in the box top, and left his team hanging.
2.) we are mortgaging the future against this flop of a qb, that hasnt done anything of note, and is already on the decline in his career.
3.) This seems reactionary, and not proactive. Carson isnt good enough to come in and take us to the super bowl this year. This team isnt super bowl ready quiet yet. So how does bringing him in and giving up draft picks make us better moving forward?
bad move, we should hand the keys to boller, and compete the best we can prepping for next year.
THIS SUCKS
October 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
severeraiderz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Kinda disappointed, I honestly think he’s done
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What are you basing that on?
October 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
The cost was high but it might be worth it,…
October 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Remember you heard it here first
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HAHAHAHA
October 18th, 2011 at 8:49 am
severeraiderz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Kinda disappointed, I honestly think he’s done
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He IS DONE! DONE WITH THE BUNGHOLES! Have any of you actually seen this guy play? He is strong, accurate, tough, throws a beautiful deep ball, nice seem routes, not much of a runner.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Great move.
BTW anyone know how to refresh page from a fckng iPhone?
October 18th, 2011 at 8:50 am
Slap #16 on Palmer’s back! Championship!
Welcome to the Raider Nation, Carson Palmer! Now, let’s get to work!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:50 am
At least it keeps us in the news!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Palmer can not make. Everyone should do themselves a favor and watch Palmers games from last year
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You read my mind, I will be watching some of his games in a few minutes…
October 18th, 2011 at 8:51 am
GoRaider,
tap the little circle with the arrow at the end of it next to the web address.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I think Palmer will wear #6
October 18th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Your WRONG Mystic1
This is a great move your upset because of your man crush on JC.
What happened to your trust in Hue Jack?
I thought you were in lock step with Hue Jack?
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Pryor is #6
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
I think he will wear #8
Lechler has 9
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
boller must really sucks.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
if you thought Jc was shaky against pressure wait til you get a load of this joker. he is terrible when under any pressure, and not just the pass rush. he has never proven to be clutch, and when the team hits a funk he checks out all together.
DONT DO IT HUE, WE HAVE A GOOD THING BUILDING FOR THE NEXT FEW YEARS. LEST DEVELOP THE YOUNG GUYS, AND STOCK UP WITH OUR DRAT PICKS AND MAKE A RUN IN 2012!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Carson Palmer owns you Mystic1
October 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Silverinblack665,
that ain’t Mystic…it’s MR
October 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Mistic1, I am sure your boy JC will go on to greatness at his next location lol. You can make that team your 2nd favorite lol.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Severe Palmer is so far from “DONE” it’s inconcievable that you would day that. The guy was tired of that hellhole he was in. This guy is turning flips he’s so happy he’s in an offense he knows and with teammates that can get it done without the silly sideshows Chad loves . Do you thinki he comes here if Chad is here Hell no!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Yes, we just got T Brady.
No we didn’t.
But we gave Two first round draft picks.
I know, but we didn’t get Brady.
Oh we got A. Rogers, then, awesome bro.
We didn’t get Aaron either.
Brees, we must have gotten him, that’s a great trade.
No Drew.
Vick?
No.
One of the young guns, Stafford, Freeman, Bradford?
No.
But, we gave up two first round draft picks.
Yes we did for C. Palmer.
Noooooooooooooooooooo.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Did Jordan come along in the deal? LOL
October 18th, 2011 at 8:54 am
JC is #8
October 18th, 2011 at 8:54 am
priesttj, whats good mayne???? what do you think about the trade Bruh????
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Ryan, JC WAS 8.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
All I Have to say is ….Wow. You got to love HueJack City. I hope he is with the Raiders for a long time.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
This will be a wait and see deal, but as of now he is the best QB that we have had since Gannon. If he plays as good as he did early on in his career this will be a steal. He had noting in cincy and played OK. We have a much better team on the offensive side of the ball especially the “o” line. Hoping for the best. GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
This is a fantastic trade! to get an overall number one, who has played well, is coming back to his home state, in a good state physically and mentally, don’t be a moron.
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Carson Palmer is done. We just trade two firsts for what is the equivalent of Donovan McNabb at this point.
You can print that.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Autopalm77 Says November 11th, 2010 @ 11:17pm
Carson Palmer will be in a Raiders uniform in 2011….Period….Just rest Mr. Davis……!!!!!!!!!!!_
October 18th, 2011 at 8:56 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Dakota what is Palmers class????
Last time I saw him play he missed soem open targets and oh yeah…quit on his team!!!!
He wanted Ocho to stay – managment did it.
He wanted TO – management got him.
So what does he do? Demand a trade and quit.
Palmer’s play has not been good since he blew out his knee. Point blank! Palmer should get mad at Palmer. His deep ball use to money after his knee it was average.
No way I give up a first for this guy when we don’t even have a first.
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The guy is already in Oakland taking his physical. Do you doubt his want to play? He spent 9 years in NFL hell with the Bungholes and wanted out after his 58th teammate was convicted! Not too many people outside of Mike Brown were blaming Palmer for demanding a trade. Palmer threw 47 TDs the last two seasons and made 32 starts. Now his health is an issue? I don’t think so.
Is he as good as he was before the injury? No. Is he better than any QB we have had since Gannon? By far. I don’t think he is an elite top 5 qb, but he is still in the class right below that. Certainly a QB who is capable of winning a Super Bowl. Campbell was not that type of QB.
Besides, we are a better team and those first rounders are now going to be picks in the mid 20s or later. Not like we gave them 2 top ten first rounders, and our team is young across the board.
Is it a gamble? Certainly. But a good gamble. If Palmer can give us a legit passing game we can beat anyone.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:56 am
I don’t mind picking up Palmer but at the cost of all next years draft????? I mean d@mn man!!!
This guy has not played he will be rusty and he also has a bad knee, which everyone has forgot.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:56 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:46 am
This is by far the worst move of the 2011 season.
1.) carson is a quitter. he bailed on his team in cinci and isnt a leader.
2.) we are mortgaging the future against this flop of a qb, that hasnt done anything of note, and is already on the decline in his career.
3.) This seems reactionary, and not proactive. Carson isnt good enough to come in and take us to the super bowl this year.
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No, no and no. lst off, Mike Brown quit on the Bungholes, not Palmer. Every marquee player wants out of there because Brown won’t get guys around them. Remember Ocho Cinco whining and crying? Those players are right.
2ndly, to win in this league you MUST have a marquee Q. There is NO guarantee that a 20th or 18th pick is going to pan out anyway. As I have said, Palmer is an overall 1, and he has played well. Quick, name the all pro’s on that Bunghole offense! And he certainly is not declining!.
Lastly, we probably aren’t good enough defensively to go to the Super Bowl this year. However this does set us up to take a run at the playoffs this year, and then make a few year run at the Championship.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Our Offensive systems matches up well with his streghts…Quick release, accurate, and good on intermediate, long routes….. witht e speed we have I expect nothing less that a deep playoff run….
October 18th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Man, some of you can be mad all you want. This is like a dream come true for my team. Anyone who doesnt think that Carson will be able to do better things than Campbell with these weapons, and with Hue and Saunders, is out of their mind. Carson is going to put up HUGE numbers in this offense. This really IS going to be the Greatest Show On Turf II, now. You dont know how often I see Campbell leave yards on the field, points on the field, and thought, “Man, we are a QB away from having the best offense in the league.” We now have that. Some of you may be disappointed now, but when we are consistently putting up 35 to 40 points a game, you’ll be smiling. Trust me, its comin.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Mistic1 I think your love for JC is blinding you my friend. I argued for JC as much as you did but this is a whole other level this is a proven vet. he has the resume don’t talk to me about pressure everyone gives in yto [pressure
October 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Dakota I hope you are right buddy!!!
I hope I am 100% wrong and he comes in lights out.
Can you see him doing that as soon as next week?
October 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Carson Palmer owns you Mystic1
# Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Silverinblack665,
that ain’t Mystic…it’s MR
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I have no clue what you guys are talking about. Jc is hurt we needed a qb, because only boller had game experience. We just needed a guy to back up boller as insurance.
This is not about Jc, its about my extreme dislike for palmer. he is an overrated front running diva, clearly on the shady side of the hill for his career.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Man I still hope we get JC back on our team.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
#49. Exactly, Dakota.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
WOW!!!!!
Hue Jack talked Mike Brown into trading Carson Palmer???
Never thought it would happen.
All I can say is WOW!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
I do feel bad for JC. Laying in a hospital bed after having surgery yesterday and looks up on ESPN and see the trade for Palmer. “Nurse, more Morphine!!”
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Tricky70390, Rossee, = MR
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Yo good morning Nation.
Holy cow, Hue jack just said I’m ALL IN B$ATCHES!!!
Love this move. We are now a SB contender.
BTW, Ken Obrien will be on at 9:30 on 95.7. Listen in to get the scoop on Palmer’s health and training. Al Davis never died baby. That’s just a media conspiracy.
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
It’s going to take him weeks to get ready. Not learning the playbook, but getting the timing of the offense down.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
pryor pryor pryor wait no
palmer palmer palmer!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Balls to the wall!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
# priesttj Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Mistic1 I think your love for JC is blinding you my friend. I argued for JC as much as you did but this is a whole other level this is a proven vet. he has the resume don’t talk to me about pressure everyone gives in yto [pressure
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My take has nothing to do with Jc.
Its strictly about the underachieving, indifferent palmer, who completely turns to jelly in the face of adversity.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Mystic, you just describe the recipe for the Perfect Raider.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Yo good morning Nation.
Holy cow, Hue jack just said I’m ALL IN B$ATCHES!!!
Love this move. We are now a SB contender.
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Maybe not a SB contender this year, but next year and the next few years, absolutely.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
No way we give up two first round draft picks for Palmer. Please tell me it was one? I can live with one. One and no more, but two would be unthinkable!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Can’t minimize the importance of draft choices, especially 1st rounders. The best players on the team ,and around the league for that matter, are generally 1st rounders. Where would this team be without Darren McFadden? Having said that, Hue was out of moves on this one. If not Carson Palmer, then who else? Garrard was the obvious choice, but the injury shut that down. This was the next best option, but I hate that it cost so much. The only reason it did is because Hue picked up the phone and not the other way around.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
There is never any guarantees in the draft, and Palmer is a known quantity. I did not like that we gave up the potential 2nd 1st. rounder either, but it is conditional, which makes me assume that it is dependent on his play. I am still in SHOCK! Big Al is smiling right now!!!! I love Hue jack. F-in no fear, balls to the wall f it mentality.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Is this the ghost of Al Davis at work again? Does Davis make this trade? Your thoughts Nation…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Feel really bad for JC.
He’s in a hospital bed right now with his BP going through the roof.
Wonder if he’ll come back next year as the best backup in football or the 20th best starter somewhere else in the league.
Wow.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
We get our 1st rounders from other teams. Curry etc.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Tricky70390 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:55 am
This is a fantastic trade! to get an overall number one, who has played well, is coming back to his home state, in a good state physically and mentally, don’t be a moron.
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Carson Palmer is done. We just trade two firsts for what is the equivalent of Donovan McNabb at this point.
You can print that.
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Two completely different QBs, with completely different styles and abilities. Kyle Boller would probably be a better comparison to McNabb at this point, in all honesty. Palmer still was gunnin last year, on a BUM Bengals squad. Watch some games, man. You’ll see.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says: October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
I do feel bad for JC. Laying in a hospital bed after having surgery yesterday and looks up on ESPN and see the trade for Palmer. “Nurse, more Morphine!!”
Hilarious……!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
2 number 1’s?????
TWO NUMBER ONE PICKS???????
OUCH!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Coach Al Jackson wants to win the SB now…
This year, not next year…
He beleives this team can win now…
Not later, he belives the time is now…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Inonewordraider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
big arm born in Fresno went to USC, Al is smiling
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I bet ol Al mandated this in case of season ending injury to Campbell.
Palmer is our best QB since Plunk!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Mike Brown must respect Hue Jack. Andy Dalton doing well helps a lot too. Great move for both sides. Al prob wanted Palmer all along.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Can’t minimize the importance of draft choices, especially 1st rounders. The best players on the team ,and around the league for that matter, are generally 1st rounders. Where would this team be without Darren McFadden? Having said that, Hue was out of moves on this one. If not Carson Palmer, then who else? Garrard was the obvious choice, but the injury shut that down. This was the next best option, but I hate that it cost so much. The only reason it did is because Hue picked up the phone and not the other way around.
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this is my problem with it. If we wernt going to go the superbowl this year anyway then why make the move? The team as is, with a fresh draft class coming in would certainly have been good enough to challenge for the superbowl. therefore this is unnecessary risk.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am
This is a bad move. No way do we go far in plaqyoffs with the CB’s we have. We should have used the 2012 on a CB to go with Routte. Mr. Davis worked hard to set us up to win now and Hue just set us back 5 years.
I hope I am wrong
October 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:59 am
Yo good morning Nation.
Holy cow, Hue jack just said I’m ALL IN B$ATCHES!!!
Love this move. We are now a SB contender.
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Maybe not a SB contender this year, but next year and the next few years, absolutely.
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Any other year, this would be true, but who scares you in the AFC? We have as good a shot as any other team this year.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am
the 2nd #1 is conditional. I’m sure it’s based on a lot of performance numbers.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing, You can call me what you want but mortgaging the future of the team for a QB on the downside of his career is stupid.
I love Hue Jackson, I believe he is going to be a fantastic coach for this team for years to come, but this move was incredibly knee jerk.
2 1sts for like what? 3 years of Carson Palmer until Pryor gets ready to take over? If we don’t win a Super Bowl in that span of time then this trade is a huge bust.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Carson’s wife is pretty hot…so theres that.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:05 am
“Nurse, more Morphine!!”
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too effin funny.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Carson Palmer starts the game again the chiefs….Done….!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:06 am
JDB
I watched him last year and since he was at SC. He has never had great pocket awareness and its now worse than ever. Pressure in his face and especially around his legs really f*cks him up and he’s never been mobile and doesn’t have a consistent slide in the pocket to escape pressure. Has a rocket arm but lately he sails passes because his fear to step into throws. When he’s at the top of his game he is top 10 maybe even top 5, but he has psychological hurdles to overcome to get back to where he was
October 18th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Does anyone know if Palmer was available last offseason?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
If it does happen i will root for the team. I wasnt completely sold on everything that Al Davis did either, so this falls into that category as well.
We maybe this will open up the door to draft my boy in 2013 RGIII
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Is this the ghost of Al Davis at work again? Does Davis make this trade? Your thoughts Nation…
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Heck yeah! Al made this trade before he passed! I think it is awesome! We will win more games with Palmer than JC PERIOD!
Best QB since Plunk.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Everyone said the same things about Rich Gannon when we signed him. Yes we didnt give up a #1 but he was no Carson Palmer either….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
I just don’t get people getting caught up in the hype about draft choices.
People spend so much time in the future.
Hue is playing for now…and to “Just Win Baby”.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
priesttj Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 1:03 am
Rob_ Raider You want some kind of QUICK-FIX and there is no such thing no QB can come in here and run this offense better than Boller can in 2 weeks it’s impossible.
Boller is better than anyone you can get over the next month or so…….. maybe a guy can be ready by say week 11 or 12 and that is pushing it!!!
There is NO RESCUE MISSION to be had……you’re dreaming this is the NFL, DC’s will eat any guy up until he knows what he’s doing…………..period
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Oh, Father Pride & Poise how quickly one adjusts to fast moving events that run counter to your slightly discombobulated crystal ball (I’d start by changing the batteries if I were you)! I think you and your uncritical/unbridled optimism just signed on to a rescue mission! God speed, sir! May good fortune be with you.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hue Jackson is not mortgaging the future. The future is here and now for the next 5 years. If Carson Palmer gives us 2 good years he is well worth the first round pick. By the time Palmer’s contract expires Tyrelle Pryor will have had enough understudy time and will be ready to take over with the Raiders never missing a beat.
The Oakland Raiders have enough young talent to last the next 3 drafts. What they need at this point is a good balance of veteran leadership.
In addition, if Pryor is not ready as an NFL Quarterback that gives the Raiders enough time to access that situation and begin to develop another Quarterback all the while contending for a super bowl.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Besides, we are a better team and those first rounders are now going to be picks in the mid 20s or later. Not like we gave them 2 top ten first rounders, and our team is young across the board.
Is it a gamble? Certainly. But a good gamble. If Palmer can give us a legit passing game we can beat anyone.
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Good points.
Not like we are giving up top 10 picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I gotta be honest with you cats…If Davis makes this move, and based on how many times we’ve struck out in the 1st round, I think I’m ok with it. We know what we’re getting in Palmer. Just like we knew what we were getting in Seymour.
Just hurts that it’s costing 2 of then. Ouch..
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hue Jackson is a f’ng RETARD!
The only QB on the planet that you make that trade for is Aaron Rodgers. Hell, you could probably give up less for Andrew Luck next year.
Somebody needs to rein in this arrogant, self-promoting, self-aggrandizing garden gnome before he does further damage.
The only positive out of all this is that this is the end of Jason Campbell – Thank God.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
According to the NFL Network, the Bengals and Raiders use the same verbiage. Couple that with Hue’s familiarity with Palmer and I say he starts this week.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Our first non-Al draft won’t be until 2014?
Saves us from Jaflushing another 30+ mil…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Hue said Boller only got 2% of practice reps with the first team last week. He did ok on our final drive. With games against KC, DEN, SD, MIN AND CHI and a bye in the next 6 weeks we could easily be 7-4 and contending for the playoffs. This is the NFL not Fantasy Football
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
The only QB on the planet that you make that trade for is Aaron Rodgers. Hell, you could probably give up less for Andrew Luck next year.
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Report has been as high as 5 1st for luck….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
RaiderDebo Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Can’t minimize the importance of draft choices, especially 1st rounders.
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Not really true. How many lst round busts do we have on our team? Many. How many lst round busts are there? many. So, just because we have lst rounders does not mean they will ever pan out. And besides, Palmer IS a lst rounder. An overall Number One in fact.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
YYYYYYYEEEEEESSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!1
i spent all night last night saying we MUST get this done and here it is!
hue got it done! we are in better shape than before jc got hurt. palmer will be the guy who leads us in to the playoffs. hue went for it. i love it.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
they just said on 95.7 that Hue has been pushing for this trade at the beginning of the year and Hue pushed for this harder after the NE game. There you go Mistic. Hue realized like the rest of us JC was never goign to be a playmaker.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/18/pft-live-breaking-down-the-palmer-trade/
PFT breaks it down for us fellas!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:04 am
the 2nd #1 is conditional. I’m sure it’s based on a lot of performance numbers.
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I hope PalmAid plays well enough to cost us a second 1.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Giving up a first and a second is well worth the risk. And if the second round pick becomes a first it means that we have a legitimate franchise QB.
Very good trade on a few fronts. This move instantly gives the passing game credibility which in turn makes the leagues most dangerous running back/weapon (Darren Mc Fadden) better. If you notice after Campbell left the game last week, the Browns suddenly got a handle on our running game. The simple answer is that they did not RESPECT Kyle Boller, (nor should they have) and instantly keyed in on the running game. We would have seen this game plan for the rest of the season. With Kyle Boller (inaccurate), Trent Edwards (shell shocked), or even David Garrard (inaccurate and mediocre arm strength) we would have had no viable answer to threaten defensive secondaries or make safeties respect deep. Mc Fadden would have gotten the old Barry Sanders treatment all year from defenses.
Secondly, this gives Pryor an opportunity to sit for 2 or more years behind a seasoned pocket passing quarterback. He can learn and aquire all the traits and skills that he would need to become a good QB without the pressure of being called on late this season. If Boller remained the QB and the team started to tank, the whole world would be calling for Pryor by week 10 and he needs to sit and wait (ala Aaron Rogers or even Carson Palmer).
Lastly, everyone lost all hope when we traded a 1st rounder for Seymour who was an over 30 defensive lineman and guess what, we have one of the best front fours in football.
The Raiders are legitimate again.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
# RaydaSwagger Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hue Jackson is not mortgaging the future. The future is here and now for the next 5 years. If Carson Palmer gives us 2 good years he is well worth the first round pick. By the time Palmer’s contract expires Tyrelle Pryor will have had enough understudy time and will be ready to take over with the Raiders never missing a beat.
The Oakland Raiders have enough young talent to last the next 3 drafts. What they need at this point is a good balance of veteran leadership.
In addition, if Pryor is not ready as an NFL Quarterback that gives the Raiders enough time to access that situation and begin to develop another Quarterback all the while contending for a super bowl.
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Interesting point. Im just not sure that plamer has the goods, and he is as mentally fragile as they come. The good thing for him is here he is surrounded by unbelievable talent. Just give the ball to the play makers and dont screw it up
October 18th, 2011 at 9:10 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:07 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Is this the ghost of Al Davis at work again? Does Davis make this trade? Your thoughts Nation…
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Heck yeah! Al made this trade before he passed! I think it is awesome! We will win more games with Palmer than JC PERIOD!
Best QB since Plunk.
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I think so too. The ghost of Al lives!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
I don’t know about this move.
That’s a real heavy price to pay for a 32yr old quarterback.
We had few enough picks as it was in the next draft.
Palmer probably will start after the bye.
On the plus side, he’s a good quarterback and much better than either Campbell or Boller but that’s not saying much.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Gotta love those Trojans!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
A lot of Raiders fans are stuck in that loser mentality. We have a good team. We already had a “good” team with Campbell. We are not one of those teams that has to rely on high draft picks anymore. We arent in rebuilding mode, we have a team, a vision, and a blueprint, with perhaps some players on D needing to be replaced or improve. But on O, sorry, but we had a top 5 Offense already, and again, with the exception of maybe GB, which O is better than ours? What was next years draft pick gonna do for this team? I dont know, but I doubt it would be greater than the contribution Carson is about to make. Some of you are missing the forest for the trees, man. Look at the big picture. We arent one of those scrub teams that needs to cherish their 1st rounder in hopes of rebuilding. We ARE rebuilt.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Don’t like the trade but Palmer should be paying us for getting him out of Cinncy. Does’nt he have like 80 mill in the bank or something like that?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
According to the NFL Network, the Bengals and Raiders use the same verbiage. Couple that with Hue’s familiarity with Palmer and I say he starts this week.
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I am telling ya’s it’s not the playbook it’s the timing with the receivers. Yes, he could come in and play, but it would be best to give a week or so to get acclimated. Shoot, he has not played in an NFL PRACTICE in a 11 months.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
13.John David Booty Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Reading some of these posts, its clear a lot of you only watch Raiders football games, then occasionally look at a stat sheet to determine how well a player did. We were already going to win the div with Campbell. Campbell has never been a better QB than Palmer, ever in his life, and still isnt. The poster that said Palmer has “questionable” arm strength, WHAT? Palmer has one of the strongest arms in the league, everyone knows this. There is not one throw Palmer can not make. Everyone should do themselves a favor and watch Palmers games from last year, see his tendencies, see what he did right/wrong, and imagine him with our current offense. If youre still complaining after that, you dont know football, buddy. We just became one the elite teams in the league and there is not a defense that will be able to hold us under 25 in the whole league next year. Worth a couple late 1st rounders? You damn right. Giving up a 1st rounder, yep, just like we did for Seymour. Only difference is, the Bengals wont get the 18th pick in return, theyre getting a VERY LATE 1st. So we have our franchise QB for 2 late 1st rounders. Look at our schedule. What team scares you? GB? Maybe Det? Other than that, there arent teams that can beat us. We are a top 10 team, and you fans need to start thinking that way. So now we are a top 10 team WITH a franchise QB.
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Awesome Post!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Feel bad for Soup but this game is all about one thing…Winning! With Boller starting we had an outside shot at the playoffs with a likely first round exit if so. The potential of the offense with Palmer is far greater now. I think the Raiders did a great job of reacting to a bad situation. Besides, the jury was still out on whether Campbell was capable of leading us deep into the playoffs.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Trask is going full bore. She could be a real change agent for the franchise. What an interesting story that’s about to unfold. Go Amy!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
complainers realize we just became a contender for the whole dang thing!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Man MR is working overtime with all these names trying to rain doubt on this trade!
funny stuff.
You are going to ruin your hands MR!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Soup’s potential was always limited. Been saying that since we got him. What you see is what you get with him.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
We should have used the 2012 on a CB to go with Routte
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a rook takes years to develop, DVD looks like a first round talent with a years pro experience under his belt especially for where we would have picked
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
I hope Palmer wears number 3 and give us the mad bomber look. Al would have convinced him to wear number 3.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
I don’t know what to think………………why do we even have Boller if he is so bad? Do you really keep a QB that you know is not good enough to be “the next man up”? As for Palmer, I just hope he isn’t another bust………….that he has enough integrity to want to play the best ball in his career. That’s a heavy pricetag, man. Go Raiders!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Debo and Mistic
Look around the league and you will see that usually second Rounders are more consistent draft choices. Still, 2 firsts is a lot.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:14 am
And don’t you think that Hue and Al S. were poring over game film of Palmer last season to see if he still has it?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am
# aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:09 am
they just said on 95.7 that Hue has been pushing for this trade at the beginning of the year and Hue pushed for this harder after the NE game. There you go Mistic. Hue realized like the rest of us JC was never goign to be a playmaker.
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Not sure why your bringing jC into this, he is not a factor he is out for the season more than likely. we needed to bring in a qb because of injury.
I dont care about what speculation maybe out there, the fact is the starter went down we traded for a replacement.
its a non story in that regard.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Lets not throw a parade just yet. He still has to play and win. Too bad we won’t be able to talk about the draft,,,,since we have no picks for the next 2yrs. Thank GOD for those comp picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am
I haven’t seen our “o” be as good as all that – against the Browns – we had to rely on a fake FG and a kick off return. “o” didn’t have much to do with it. But maybe I expect too much
October 18th, 2011 at 9:15 am
SeyDeboGlenBush you loser we are a SB contender right now today.
FK’n moron
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# Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Maybe not a SB contender this year, but next year and the next few years, absolutely.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Does Hue read this blog?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am
#121: I imagine MR keeps his hands constantly moistened with high quality skin creams for his other main hobby…LOL.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Tell them how we really feel about Palmer in the Buckeye state. : )
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113.ohioraider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Gotta love those Trojans!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Looks like we’ve seen the last of Campbell. I’m OK with that. He wasn’t gonna get any more accurate to the sidelines and downfield. It was gonna be hard to be a great team with him throwing….
Palmer can be great…. eventually. It’s gonna be a rough couple of weeks….
Hue is going all in this year. It’s not gonna look good if he don’t make it to the playoffs….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am
A lot of Raiders fans are stuck in that loser mentality. We have a good team. We already had a “good” team with Campbell. We are not one of those teams that has to rely on high draft picks anymore. We arent in rebuilding mode, we have a team, a vision, and a blueprint, with perhaps some players on D needing to be replaced or improve. But on O, sorry, but we had a top 5 Offense already, and again, with the exception of maybe GB, which O is better than ours? What was next years draft pick gonna do for this team? I dont know, but I doubt it would be greater than the contribution Carson is about to make. Some of you are missing the forest for the trees, man. Look at the big picture. We arent one of those scrub teams that needs to cherish their 1st rounder in hopes of rebuilding. We ARE rebuilt.
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Excellent thoughts!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Nervous about this one, but in Hue I trust. No one can deny that this guy has come in and gotten the best out of all our offensive skill players and O-linemen. A lot of us were ready to cut DMAC and DHB before he got here. Who the hell was Marcel Reese before Hue? The fact that he knows Palmer and went all out to get him makes me think good things could be in store.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Palmer, im not a fan. Just give the ball to the playmakers manage the game and dont screw it up.
Cooper carlisle and barnes, you are now under the microscope. If you let the defense even breath on this guy he will collapse.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:17 am
His desire to leave the bengals and become a Raider is what precipitated his decision to retire…Shows how excited he is, as he has already passed his physical…Starts against the chiefs on Sunday, with the Raiders dominating in time of possession and on both sides of the line of scrimmage…6 and 2 coming out of the bye week to face phyllis rivers and the dischargers…Big game November 10th….!!!! Raiders love it that way….!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am
New sheriff in Oakland. Make no mistake, Palmer’s coming here to play under Hue.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:18 am
The only QB on the planet that you make that trade for is Aaron Rodgers. Hell, you could probably give up less for Andrew Luck next year.
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you think they’d trade rodgers or Luck for a 1st and conditional first? Your’e out of your mind. Tebow cost four draft picks and what did Cutler cost?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
TheToozFan55 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
I don’t know what to think………………why do we even have Boller if he is so bad? Do you really keep a QB that you know is not good enough to be “the next man up”?
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Boeller is good enough to win some games.
Hue is CLEARLY trying to win the SB with the trade for Palmer.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Agreed Aig it should be #3
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
122.The Big Banana Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Soup’s potential was always limited. Been saying that since we got him. What you see is what you get with him.
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I like how Campbell was managing the game outside of the NE game but I have to agree with that about his play.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Wow no shortage of opinions on this blog this morning.
Every trade has its pros and cons but i think the pros win on this one
Welcome to RAIDER NATION Palmer!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Good trade. Palmer will revitalize his career behind this young O-Line and with these WRs. We have a very young team and wont be hurt by the loss of the picks. I see us not only in the playoffs, but now we can be playing for the AFC championship! We are run 1st team anyways, this will give Carson time to catch up to the play book. His 1st start will be against Denver! Lets go RAIDERS!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:19 am
JHill, only die hard Raider fans think Jason Campbell is a good QB. Nobody else on the planet does. Hue has to do what is best for the football team, not just what the homer fans want. They’ll want Campbell for the next 10 years because he was Al’s guy and can throw the deep ball.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
are some of u guys serious? jacantbell would fall over on his own! Palmer is a huge upgrade from two jacheckdowns!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
LOL! John David Booty
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I’m not terribly concerned about 1st round draft choices. We do quite well with our late round choices and we’ve got so much locked up in our current squad that we don’t really have much cap room to even sign a big name. As much as I love Hue I think that he believes he’s learned 50 years of football from Al in the short 2 years he’s been here. We have a good young talented squad and will make the plug and play moves, like an Aaron Curry, as we need to. My biggest concern about Palmer is CHEMISTRY!. I watched the Raider post game report on Comcast Sports Net and I know Jacoby Ford and Jason Campbell are very tight. I know that Jason won’t get into the Hall of Fame but neither will Carson Palmer. I think everyone on the offense likes and respects Campbell and that he has shown some strong leadership. I am not convinced we’re going to get that from Palmer and that is my biggest concern.
Hue’s a big time gambler, but someday a gambler’s luck will run out. I hope he proves me wrong.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Well said Raidermarty….
“Is Palmer worth the picks?” is a conversation for fans without original thought.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Palmer is coming here to win a Super Bowl, with HueJack!
Long live Al Davis!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Conditional first, damn well better be Super Bowl victory,
Second for SB appearance,
Third for being in conference championship game,
Fourth for division,
Fifth for wild card,
No playoffs, jack sheet.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I think that’s too much for Carson Palmer. He’s better than Boller. That’s for sure. I guess it had to be done.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I didnt want Palmer but he is now my QB…time to roll on and move with it and get this SB run on point…..B@uce!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Well said Raidermarty….
“Is Palmer worth the picks?” is a conversation for fans without original thought.
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Yer God D @ M right!
Code Black
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
olinesux Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
are some of u guys serious? jacantbell would fall over on his own!
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If Jacantbell had finished the game last weekend, Mistic would have been in here bragging about how Jacantbell overcame adversity and lead us to a win.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I wouldn’t fret about missing one or two no.1 picks. Last draft we got a great pulling guard in the 2nd. and a great young WR in the 4th. Those two picks should be late ones anyway.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
This talk reminds me of the stuff I was hearing from Viking fans about Mcnabb….temper ur expectations. Palmer is a 32 yr old mentally fragile QB that has had accuracy issues for the last few seasons.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
(In my Kevin Hart Voice) This Schit just got real!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:23 am
This is a good trade for the Raiders!
we are a 4 and 2 football team that has not been blown out or outclassed in any games this season in a weak division with 1 legitimate conference foe (Chargers). We have the best RB in football. We have a good offensive line. We have a good to great defensive line. With a good quarterback like Palmer, we have a favorable schedule with only the Chargers and Packers as real threats. We have a legitimate chance to make it to the playoff tournament and go deep THIS YEAR! Why sit back and wait?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
This trade has the Al Davis seal of approval. I’m glad the ghost of Al Davis is sticking around to guide us through. Now let’s honor his legacy with a Lombardi.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Thank you Hue!!
Thank you Amy!!
WHY NOT US!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
I said this is what Al would do, 2top draft picks bedamned. Best QB we’ve had in almost 10 years. Campbell on IR & trade bait next year. Most confidence I’ve had in the Raiders since Gannon got hurt.
Now, stop the RUN!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Goodbye JaCambell
Welcome to the Raider Nation Mr. Palmer
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Three reactions to the trade:
Fan #1: Glass is half empty.
Fan #2: The glass is half full.
Raider Fan: Sheeeeeeeeeit, Hue just ordered us another round!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
This isn’t a good trade
But think about our cap situation and next year. Our team is Super Young so we really don’t need to sign more young players. This also frees up more money to retain our free agents.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
JHill, only die hard Raider fans think Jason Campbell is a good QB.
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Well I consider myself a die hard Raider fans and I wasn’t impressed with Campbell at all.
I actually thought and still think Boller can replace him and we would be the same team if not better.
Palmer is clearly better than either of those 2 though. I suspect he’ll be able to connect on at least 50% more of those deep balls than Campbell ever could. I realize what that is going to do for our offense.
No brainer the more you think about it.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Carson didn’t want to play for or be in Cincinnati the last couple of years. He’s excited and wants to play for the Raider Nation. We have a great shot at winning it all for Al! “The fire that burns brightest in the Raiders organization is the will to win”.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am
The past is just that but remember how everyone thought Plunkett was washed up when we rescued him from a terrible 49ers team?
Later Nation…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:26 am
Raider Fan: Sheeeeeeeeeit, Hue just ordered us another round!
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Good one!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am
8RaiderReign8…MR please stop: 1) posting; 2) breathing; 3) All the above.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am
# aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
olinesux Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
are some of u guys serious? jacantbell would fall over on his own!
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If Jacantbell had finished the game last weekend, Mistic would have been in here bragging about how Jacantbell overcame adversity and lead us to a win.
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aig, now you show up? Jc is hurt and isnt the issue, but you want to make him the issue.
No matter what happens with Jc for the rest of his career, you and everyone that hated on him in his time here are left with the knowledge that he owned you.
You said he couldnt win and he did, he helped restore respect to the silver and black, and put us back on the map.
If he never takes another nfl snap, just remember
HE BEAT THE FUGG OUT OF YOU WHILE IN A RAIDER UNIFORM!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am
What was given up for Plunkett?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am
All I remember from Palmer last year is when he knocked the super chokers out of the playoffs with a sh!tty bungles team. Hopefully he can do the same this year with a high powered smash mouth RAIDERS TEAM !
October 18th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Davidon: A busted leg….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Nice to see that Hue and I are in lockstep. I’ve been saying that unless we can get Palmer, roll with Boller. Those were the only choices as far as I’m concerned, oh and maybe Garrard.
All you cats were hilarious yesterday with all the QB names you were throwing out. Downright comical.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
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what are you trying to say
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Oh man, I didn’t know the Bengals and Raiders had similar verbiage in their offense. GREAT news. Palmer can maybe actually start Sunday.
The timing with the WRs is the big concern, but there’s no reason for me to think that Palmer & the receivers won’t be staying until after dark working on the timing every day this week.
Also: Palmer has started 32 straight games. Spare me the whining about his injury.
Finally, Palmer has a work ethic that borders on the maniacal. This is a guy who tore his ACL in late December 2005 and started opening day 2006.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
To the people worried about next years draft …. What are you stupid? This team is poised to make a run now. Do you think Hue gives a flying crap about next season? Cmon man! and to those saying we can’t win this year I say, why not us? we have the pieces in place to make a run. So quit your whining and let the big boys call the shots. Just sit back and enjoy because something special is happening in the raider nation.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am
maybe hue jack can make something out of this dude. i have never doubted his talent, but I question his heart and mental fortitude. his pattern has been to tank when things get rough.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Hope he can go this week. This KC game scares me.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
#175: Plunkett was actually picked up as a FA after San Fran released him. I’d forgotten that.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
148.olinesux Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:20 am
are some of u guys serious? jacantbell would fall over on his own! Palmer is a huge upgrade from two jacheckdowns!!!
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Actually, he did fall down on his own in the Cleveland game and then proceeded to fumble the ball.
Palmer is a good QB and better than Campbell or Boller.
Palmer is probably the most effective quarterback we’ve had since Gannon.
We’ll find out after the bye because that is probably when he’ll start.
The problem for me is his age of 32 and what we had to give up for him when we already had few draft picks.
We need to be looking a improving the OL and the defense.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:31 am
RaiderDebo Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Hope he can go this week. This KC game scares me.
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Agreed…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Well I consider myself a die hard Raider fans and I wasn’t impressed with Campbell at all.
I actually thought and still think Boller can replace him and we would be the same team if not better.
Palmer is clearly better than either of those 2 though. I suspect he’ll be able to connect on at least 50% more of those deep balls than Campbell ever could. I realize what that is going to do for our offense.
No brainer the more you think about it.
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Couldn’t agree more, Jhill.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
We need to be looking a improving the OL and the defense
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You mean the OL that has allowed just 5 sacks and 6 games and has been opening holes for the NFL’s leading rusher?
The o-line isn’t a worry.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Coach Al Jackson wants to win the SB now…
This year, not next year…
He beleives this team can win now…
Not later, he belives the time is now…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Better accuracy and awareness in the pocket = immediate improvement to the Raider offense.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Mistic,
Yes sir. JaPanic owned me. Yes sir. Pls dont let that door hit his rear end as he scoots out of town.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
I can only imagine that Hue had a long talk with Carson before pulling the trigger on this trade.
I would guess that Hue spoke of our chances to win it all and the legacy of Al Davis and how nice it would be to win it all this year for Al.
I would also imagine that Hue asked him about his ability to quickly pick up our offense and what kind of shape he is in and where his head is at.
I would also wager that if Palmer was not giving Hue the answers he wanted to hear the trade would not have happened.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
You know who really hates this trade? The rest of the AFC west that’s who.
“One nation, Under Al”
October 18th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Again, the price is high, as is the risk. But Hue clearly wasn’t interested in a wait-and-see approach, relying on draft picks to improve the team. Can’t help but admire that.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
jacheckdown was not going to win a game when they are losing big (see ne) but palmer can….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
severeraiderz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:22 am
This talk reminds me of the stuff I was hearing from Viking fans about Mcnabb….temper ur expectations. Palmer is a 32 yr old mentally fragile QB that has had accuracy issues for the last few seasons.
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Sorry, again, all false. Not trying to argue with you, but if you are a Raiders fan, I cant let you not know what you now have on your team. He has not has accuracy issues the last few seasons. He was still elite going back to 2007, where the Bengals could have made the SB if he werent hurt in the playoffs against Pittsburgh. Came back and played 4 games in 08. In 09, he struggled a little getting back to form, BUT WAS STILL better than Campbell in ANY year of his career. And last year, as I said, he was gunnin, on a BAD Bengals team. Did he have some miscues, yes. Did we improve as a team by getting him, HELL YEAH. Youtube last years SD game, a team we play twice a year. That was that second to last game of the year for them, and he ripped their D, with FAR INFERIOR talent to what hes going to have here. Man, WE CAME UP BIG TIME! Youtube the game, download an HD torrent, whatever, but you have access, go watch the games and see for yourself.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
By the way, the news is that the 2013 pick becomes a 1st rounder if the Raiders win a playoff game.
Tells you why HueJax went out and got him right there.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
It’s a gamble…. But a worthwhile gamble…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Here are some more numbers:
1. let’s get real – this deal was there for Al (or anyone else) to make all summer
2. Al chose not to do it
3. he knew the price was too steep
Hue is a freaking rookie getting his clock cleaned
BIG MISTAKE
October 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am
RaiderAD Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Here are some more numbers:
1. let’s get real – this deal was there for Al (or anyone else) to make all summer
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Got any inside info or are you just pulling this out of your azz?
Actually i already know the answer
October 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Almost 4k yards last season and he is being called washed up and this a dumb trade. Who are you morons? he gives us a better shot at the playoffs then Jason did and Boller might put us in the basement!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:35 am
That is Palmer’s career completion percentage. He is a very accurate passer, especially on intermediate and deep throws.
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Combine that with our run Game…
How is any team going to defend what the Al’s cook up now….
How do you defend the Raiders with an accurate depp threat at passer who is not going to miss those 9 routes when the WR’s are open????
October 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
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what are you trying to say
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Good grief Mystic, it is fairly obvious what he is saying, even for my dumb ass.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am
# aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Mistic,
Yes sir. JaPanic owned me. Yes sir. Pls dont let that door hit his rear end as he scoots out of town.
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if he leaves, he leaves with no shame. he was team captain helped save the career of DHB, and brought our team back to the forefront. he went undefeated uin the division and was 12-7 as a starter. he accomplished a lot in a short time and made our team better.
Losing your job to injury is an unfortunate reality in football.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Palmer’s arm + DHB’s emergence + Ford and Moore being awesome = ridiculous passing game
Oh and let’s not forget how that’ll back off the defense to open up lanes for DMac.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Palmer = TD’s not FG ’s
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
# Whats a Drexl? Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
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what are you trying to say
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Good grief Mystic, it is fairly obvious what he is saying, even for my dumb ass.
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dont answer for him, he can speak on his own.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
First Aaron Curry, now Carson Palmer.
WOW!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 –
for 10 years.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Not sure if someone’s posted it already, but espn said the conditional 2nd round pick turns into a first if we win a playoff game this year.
The way i see it, the only way we win a playoff game this year is if we get good qb play. If Palmer is playing well enough to win playoff games, he’ll be worth 2 first round picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
for Cutler Denver got 2 1st rounders, kyle Orton and two more picks…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Man, HueJax is a cold-blooded businessman.
Bruce Davis blocks a punt. Next day: “Sorry, son, we’re gonna cut you.”
Campbell goes down with injury. Less than 48 hours late, “Sorry, son, we found someone better.”
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
13 former 1st rounders on the team now.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
lol at those worried about draft picks. This team is young and loaded. So get over it. he’s a great player. and we will win with palmer. campbell was never going to be the guy. truth…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
It is only two number ones if we win a playoff game this year. Otherwise it is a secrond round in 2013.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Nice posts, John David Booty.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
# Whats a Drexl? Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
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what are you trying to say
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Good grief Mystic, it is fairly obvious what he is saying, even for my dumb ass.
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dont answer for him, he can speak on his own.
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I don’t think he will, it was a rather a classless thing to say.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
RaiderAD Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Here are some more numbers:
1. let’s get real – this deal was there for Al (or anyone else) to make all summer
2. Al chose not to do it
3. he knew the price was too steep
Hue is a freaking rookie getting his clock cleaned
BIG MISTAKE
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They didn’t need a QB over the summer.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Curry and RoMac can develop into a FEARSOME tandem.
Coincidence RoMac had his best game of the season with a reliable weakside partner to help shore up against the run? I think not.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
for Cutler Denver got 2 1st rounders, kyle Orton and two more picks…
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good point…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
the rest of the league just got a whole lot more concerned about the raiders!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
181.No Mas Diamante Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:29 am
To the people worried about next years draft …. What are you stupid? This team is poised to make a run now. Do you think Hue gives a flying crap about next season? Cmon man! and to those saying we can’t win this year I say, why not us? we have the pieces in place to make a run. So quit your whining and let the big boys call the shots. Just sit back and enjoy because something special is happening in the raider nation.
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Good post!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Asante Samuel is available for a front 7 player….not interested in draft picks!
Al…..I mean Hue, do something!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
RaiderAD Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Here are some more numbers:
1. let’s get real – this deal was there for Al (or anyone else) to make all summer
2. Al chose not to do it
3. he knew the price was too steep
Hue is a freaking rookie getting his clock cleaned
BIG MISTAKE
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Don’t kid yourself. The ghost of Al has his prints all over this one.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Wow, what a major division this has caused within the Nation.
I think Palmer could only be an upgrade over JC for a steep price.
Its not like he’s worse than JC (and certainly better than Boller), so I don’t think that’s a valid argument. Guess people are concerned with draft picks, which I get.
I’d rather win now, though.
C’mon, this is a classic Al/Raiders reclamation project.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
188.SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:32 am
We need to be looking a improving the OL and the defense
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You mean the OL that has allowed just 5 sacks and 6 games and has been opening holes for the NFL’s leading rusher?
The o-line isn’t a worry.
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They’re an average offensive line with a suspect right side.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
2.) we are mortgaging the future against this flop of a qb, that hasnt done anything of note, and is already on the decline in his career.
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How is two first round picks (#s 28-32) “Mortgaging the future”??!!
Some you who are making these statements are very idiotic. When you have a YOUNG playoff team for the next 5 years possibly, you wont need those first round picks. There is always free agency and with the depth of this team now, you can trade players for a 1st rounder if needed.
Give this deal a chance to work itself out and stop whinning like lil bichez.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:39 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
for Cutler Denver got 2 1st rounders, kyle Orton and two more picks…
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good point…
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Excellent point!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I like the trade… Of course theirs gonna be some on here that don’t like it… Naturally …just the way it goes….
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
we can always grab picks next year by trading some future picks. we have what we need. me so happy!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Raiders also considered a trade for Vince Young
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Peyton Hillis, Asante Samuel could be available
Not done yet??
October 18th, 2011 at 9:41 am
it is only one first round pick unless we win a playoff game this year. sounds great to me. win a playoff game f you haters
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Think of it this way. Remember that old TV game show “Let’s Make a Deal” where the host would give someone like 500 bucks and then say “You can trade it in for what’s under those two boxes?”
Sometimes it’d be a Rolex and a diamond ring. Other times it’d be a chicken and package of toilet paper.
Hue took the 500 bucks (Palmer) and passed on what amounted to lottery tickets (the draft picks)
In a way, this isn’t a gamble…it’s a pretty safe play
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
WHY NOT US!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
one year ago Hue was an OC
now all of a sudden he is a GM??
this is insane panic buying buy a rookie who does not know what he is doing
Palmer is rooted to the ground back there – here come the sacks
something we’ve gotten away from
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
They’re an average offensive line with a suspect right side.
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LOL, okay.
Again: NFL’s top rusher runs behind them. QB sacked less than once per game.
But they’re terribly average. Gimme an f’ing break.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Like B@UCE said…Palmer will be our quater back and we have to support him!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
let’s see, 2 choices:
a) go with boller and watch our promising season dry up within a month
b) get palmer and have a legit shot at the super bowl this season
duh!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Palmer is rooted to the ground back there – here come the sacks
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Peyton Manning is pretty rooted to the ground behind a tissue paper offensive line yet rarely get sacked. Why? Quick release.
Palmer is no Manning obviously, but he has a damn quick release too.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic, I am with u on JC. Terrible for him and forced Hue to gamble the next decade on an injured 32yr old QB
Hope he looks better than Donovan!
Mistic, you see Palmer playing for 10 more years? Two 1st round picks. Smh
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:38 am
lol at those worried about draft picks. This team is young and loaded. So get over it. he’s a great player. and we will win with palmer. campbell was never going to be the guy. truth…
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Yep, lots of good young talent. Our time is now.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Hillbilly? Nah…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
rob_raider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:42 am
let’s see, 2 choices:
a) go with boller and watch our promising season dry up within a month
b) get palmer and have a legit shot at the super bowl this season
duh!
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YES!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic, it WAS obvious what I meant. You are transparently biased.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic, I am with u on JC. Terrible for him and forced Hue to gamble the next decade on an injured 32yr old QB
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Palmer started every single game in 2009 and 2010. Try again.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Now that everyone has tossed Campbell into the trash can ( sorry Jason) how soon will it be before everyone turns on Palmer? The 1st or 2nd interception?
Don’t let us down Carson.
Building a Football Team
October 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am
why can you guys not see it is one pick unless we win a playoff game. Ill take a playoff win all day.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am
The bottom line here is whether it was too high a price or not, the Raiders just got a whole lot better.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I like the trade if Palmer can stay healthy.
Looking at film of Palmer, he seems to make decisions faster than Campbell, and he throws a nice deep ball.
How many times have our receivers broken open deep and Campbell has missed them? Campbell has no accuracy throwing deep.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Rob_Raider,
A legit shot at the super bowl this year?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Pretty Rick Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Now that everyone has tossed Campbell into the trash
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I hear you talking.
Personally I haven’t much liked him from his Washington days.
It’s really something though when the same people who used to praise him are now coming on here and dumping on him.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:47 am
I’ve bought into Hue…. You either buy into his decisions or you don’t… Pretty clear cut…and it appears it’s a done deal…. Hop on board or hop off….
I believe it’s a good trade…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Palmer is 6′5″ and 240 lbs
Can someone make a compare and contrast list for JaCampbell vs Palmer?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Mistic will get on board if Carson gets a really dark tan and some neck tats…
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And how are we certain you’re not just on board because Palmer’s white?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 –
for 10 years.
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Again, false. Palmers last game wasnt over a year ago. It was 1/2/2011, against the Ravens, where he 32/45 for a 71% completion rating and over 300 yards against a good defense, that was in his face all day.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:27 am
8RaiderReign8…MR please stop: 1) posting; 2) breathing; 3) All the above.
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This might be hard to understand, but if you EVER compare me to MR again I’ll fly to Beijing with a Jap Zero and kamakaze your ass.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
You guys are faulting Campbell but get ready when Palmer steps in and becomes the exact. same. f’ing. player.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
I think Mistic supports Campbell because Campbell was a Davis guy, not because he’s black.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
# JR77 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:40 am
2.) we are mortgaging the future against this flop of a qb, that hasnt done anything of note, and is already on the decline in his career.
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How is two first round picks (#s 28-32) “Mortgaging the future”??!!
Some you who are making these statements are very idiotic. When you have a YOUNG playoff team for the next 5 years possibly, you wont need those first round picks. There is always free agency and with the depth of this team now, you can trade players for a 1st rounder if needed.
Give this deal a chance to work itself out and stop whinning like lil bichez.
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It concern not whining. I see some hole that could be filled with those draft picks. This trade seems a bit short sighted, and reactionary.
I hope hu jack can make something out of this cat
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Can’t minimize the importance of draft choices, especially 1st rounders.
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Nobody has more first rounders on the team than us. Palmer went #1 in the draft. Heck, we got 3 QBs that went in the first.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Palmer or Boller
Should be an easy decision.
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I didnt want Palmer but he is now my QB…time to roll on and move with it and get this SB run on point…..B@uce!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Defensive coordinators just lost there minds. Oakland just added a very accurate Quarterback who throws a great deep ball to a set of young talented speedy wide receivers, the leagues best rushing attack, and the leagues best all around running back.
Good luck stopping that offense AFC.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Campbell has no accuracy throwing deep.
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I said it before. JaPanic was the black version of Jay Shroeder, another big armed dude out of the Skins. Both had huge arms, panics, and lack accuracy.
Thank goodness that mess is over. If Kyle effin Boller can hit Schilens on the sideline (something Japanic couldnt) then I am sure Palmer can do a whole lot more.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Ok, I get the split on JC as I do on Palmer…but JaJason? JaCampbell? He was to me way better than JaMarcus!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
If Carson Palmer was suddenly back in the draft, he would obviously be the #1 pick. Based on the value chart, a #1 pick is worth 2 #7 picks.
The draft point chart is just a starting point, but the point should be taken that a #1 draft pick is worth two later first round picks.
There is no way the Raiders could have gotten him for just a first round pick especially at 4-2.
You should either like the trade for Palmer based on his play and familiarity with Hue or not like it based on his play and injuries. Belly aching about price should be left to the old ladies at the swap meet.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
defences will have to respect the pass now. Going to make dmac that much more dangerous. can we trade Murphy for Samuel?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Palmer is 31 years old.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
This is a complete disaster…2 first rounders !!! are kidding me?!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Rob_Raider,
A legit shot at the super bowl this year?
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with regards to the negotiating it’s possible they don’t even start listening unless a 1st is involved. Obviously he typically wouldn’t garner a 1st and a 2nd due to character and recent performance. Could Campbell have taken us to the sb in your opinion or what qb could we have gotten to take us there?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Palmer or Boller
Should be an easy decision.
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Amen. Biggest no brainer of the season
October 18th, 2011 at 9:50 am
yes snb. great running attack. now a very good passing attack. defense getting better. look at our sued. my prediction had been 10-6. now it’s 12-4.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Listening to NFLN …
They mentioned that Hue was trying to get this deal done in the summer. I think AIG mentioned that earlier.
That says a lot to me.
Al never extended Campbell.
Al drafted Pryor.
Way to keep fighting and get us a legit QB to take us to the next level.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
RaiderReign, is being accused of being me that bad?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Defensive coordinators just lost there minds. Oakland just added a very accurate Quarterback who throws a great deep ball to a set of young talented speedy wide receivers, the leagues best rushing attack, and the leagues best all around running back.
Good luck stopping that offense AFC.
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This is what I’m talking about! So pumped.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
# Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic, it WAS obvious what I meant. You are transparently biased.
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Im not sure what your basing this wild speculation on. Nor am i sure why you are so concerned with what forms my thought.
Its a little wierd
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
255.John David Booty Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 – for 10 years.
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Again, false. Palmers last game wasnt over a year ago. It was 1/2/2011, against the Ravens, where he 32/45 for a 71% completion rating and over 300 yards against a good defense, that was in his face all day.
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Great point.
I think we just got better.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Palmer does know the offense, so wouldn’t be surprised if Hue played him Sunday, as crazy as that sounds
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
lol. When you look at some of the bums Al wasted draft picks on through the years. Suddenly it’s a crying shame when we trade draft picks for a QB we need now more than ever.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Just remember guys it’s not like we need a first rounder next year. We already have a playoff team so any first rounder will be sub-20
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
DCO’s in the league have offically been put on notice…
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
missed posted on previous…food for thought:
Hagar the Horrible Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Hey you guys, we’re “actually-only” giving up an early (2nd round pick)!
Think about it. If we can get some decent play out of him and with the weapons we have on this team and the remaining schedule, which isn’t bad, then we should make the playoffs.
If we go deep into the playoffs, which I think we can, then our first round pick next year is 25th thru 32nd.
That’s right…25th thru 32nd ( = ) high second round
It’s usually the top ten to fifteen players that are potential team changers or improvers, after that the remaining first rounders are actually “early 2nd” rounders.
In 2013, the same senario transpires, our first round pick will actually be a late first…maybe 27th thru
32nd…so, what’s all the fuss?
We had to pull the trigger, we had to go for it as not too many opportunities present themselves.
Think positive Raiders fans…get ready for the ride pass the summit and on to the top of the mountain, where we’ll look down on the valley…at the milk and honey and the grapes on the vineyards. It’s all good.
….nothing ventured….nothing gained…good to have the bzlls to “Just, go for it!”
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Campbell has no accuracy throwing deep.
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I said it before. JaPanic was the black version of Jay Shroeder, another big armed dude out of the Skins. Both had huge arms, panics, and lack accuracy.
Thank goodness that mess is over. If Kyle effin Boller can hit Schilens on the sideline (something Japanic couldnt) then I am sure Palmer can do a whole lot more.
Well said Aig.
JaJason Shoeder
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Dstomp…
1) you just got that rant from KNBR…even I can stream it over here.
2) Did Cincy know Dalton would grasp the reigns and lead them to 4-2? Uh, noooooooooooooooooooooo.
In that light, Cincy was in no way going to give up Palmer during the summer.
Cincy now find themselves with a great young QB who has won many games and disposable QB riding the pine.
Cincy can NOW trade Palmer away, something they couldn’t do over the summer.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
on another note… did you see revis get away with the holds last night. unreal… the refs must love that guy.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Funny thing is, Steelers fans are most pissed off by this deal. They think the Bengals just fleeced the Raiders and will stock up with all these draft picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Gannon also said he could see Palmer playing Sunday
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
John David Booty Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 – for 10 years.
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Again, false. Palmers last game wasnt over a year ago. It was 1/2/2011, against the Ravens, where he 32/45 for a 71% completion rating and over 300 yards against a good defense, that was in his face all day.
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He’s actually 31 with 9 months rest to recover his body and has at least 4-5 years left in the tank!
C’mon man!!!!
Code Black 2011….continues!!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
It is being reported that Vince Young was our back-up plan if we couldn’t get Palmer.
What does that tell you about this team’s planning?
It tells me THERE IS NO PLANNING.
Just win now is great but not when you have mortgaged the future. These guys get old REAL QUICK in this league.
We’ve turned the corner due to our youth. Now we are back to giving it up.
I don’t like this.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I WILL BE AT THE KC GAME TO WITNESS THIS EPIC EVENT….
PALMER WILL START ON SUNDAY
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Tricky70390 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:48 am
You guys are faulting Campbell but get ready when Palmer steps in and becomes the exact. same. f’ing. player.
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I see. Nice to know what you’ll be rooting for.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
JaCarson will do just fine here in OAKTOWN ! He’s been waiting so long to play for a good team and GREAT coach and owner ! Go JaCarson JaPalmer
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
This reminds me the gasol trade
.. Instant contender.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Raider AD, explain to me how Kyle Boller helped us turn the corner.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:54 am
RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Funny thing is, Steelers fans are most pissed off by this deal. They think the Bengals just fleeced the Raiders and will stock up with all these draft picks.
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I’ve been mocking them here all day. “Raiders got a franchise QB and Cincinnati just got two more high draft picks to take you down with.”
October 18th, 2011 at 9:54 am
You don’t count Palmer’s age in this trade. Palmer is an extension to Pryor while allowing you to contend for the super bowl during those 2 years. This team is no longer in rebuilding mode. This is a super bowl contender. You get it done now!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:55 am
8RaiderReign8,
That was Low of me.
But then again, I do consider myself to be Lowdown.
All Raider fans are invited to visit me in Beijing anytime.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:55 am
He’s actually 31 with 9 months rest to recover his body and has at least 4-5 years left in the tank!
C’mon man!!!!
Code Black 2011….continues!
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Fck yeah!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am
J Hill Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Listening to NFLN …
They mentioned that Hue was trying to get this deal done in the summer. I think AIG mentioned that earlier.
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Yeah I read about how Al started backing off that Plunkett comparison after the season. There was no other choice but to stick with JC but we all know Al loves former first rounders, especially a #1 overall who Al can claim he revived his career.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am
We just lost our best scout when it comes to the draft_(Al Davis). The Raiders are one of the youngestcteam in the league (age average) Jason Campbell wasn’t coming back in 6 weeks not realistic at all (its his throwing shoulder people) we avoid the should we resign JC fiasco during off season and groom prior one.more year…who did u want to see Phillips rivers vs boller. Or river vs Carson.Great pick for the Raiders
October 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Obvious that there are fans that watch with confidence and optimism for our team and then there are the cynics that just watch waiting for the next mistake can happen so they can say “See, i told you!” I feel sad for your morons. Great trade and a no brainer!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am
209.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 – for 10 years.
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This is what happens when you’re negotiating from a position of weakness. I was looking forward to next year’s draft. With all the QBs potentially going in the 1st round, there was probably a good CB or DT that would have been pushed down to us. Hopefully, Palmer can match JC and sweep the West so I can forget about the draft choices.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:56 am
This sure beats the days wondering just HOW BAD the NEW bed and breakfast offense was going to be….
Great times to be a Raider fan!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
I just don’t think palmer at 32yrs old is two 1st round picks better than JC. I just don’t. He clearely didn’t make his team better.
JC gets a lot of heat from you guys. But he was the one that had to nurse these young receivers to health.
Also. You think carson is going to come in cold and eat this playbook? Two 1st rounders? He better be performing at the rivers, brees and brady level. And he better do it for at least 5+ years
October 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
There hasn’t been a bigger critic of JC on this blog than myself. I have never thought he was any good. I still don’t. I must have posted ‘JaJason sucks’ hundreds of times.
I have said a million times the Raids must address the QB position of they ever intended to be serious contenders. JC wasn’t good enough to take us to the promised land even if he remained healthy.
All that being said….
I THINK THIS DEAL STINKS.
I’m basing this reaction on the last game I saw Palmer play. He looked horrible. Threw some really terrible interceptions. My thought was ‘he’s having a bad night, but this is clearly a player on the downside’.
I hope to heck I’m wrong. I hope Carson can still deliver and be a franchise QB.
Word is, if the Raids win a playoff game, we ship the Bungles 2 first round picks. That’s a king’s ransom. If Palmer is still an upper tier QB that can give the Raids 4 or 5 solid years, this is not a bad deal. But I’m skeptical about that being the case.
Time will tell. Hoping for the best from Mr. Palmer.
No blinking !
October 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
This reminds me the gasol trade
.. Instant contender.
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Agree……
DMC = Kobe
Palmer = Gasol
DMC+Palmer= instant contender
October 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Thec, no hide & go seek this time, right?
WHERE YOU GON BE ?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am
lol. Look at the old Davis guys getting mad at Hue for trying to win “now”. As if that wasn’t Davis’s mantra for 50 years.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am
This is what happens when you’re negotiating from a position of weakness. I was looking forward to next year’s draft. With all the QBs potentially going in the 1st round, there was probably a good CB or DT that would have been pushed down to us. Hopefully, Palmer can match JC and sweep the West so I can forget about the draft choices.
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Don’t you think we have enough CB’s to supply the entire NFL with?
October 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Now go get Asante Samuals!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:59 am
292.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
This reminds me the gasol trade
.. Instant contender.
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Go Lakers!!!!! oops
October 18th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Nice post 305!
October 18th, 2011 at 9:59 am
“I have $80 million in the bank,” Palmer reportedly said; “I don’t have to play football for money. I’ll play it for the love of the game, but that would have to be elsewhere.”
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This guy loves football, he just wanted out of there. I could see him redoing his whole contract if hue asked him to.
October 18th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:58 am
lol. Look at the old Davis guys getting mad at Hue for trying to win “now”. As if that wasn’t Davis’s mantra for 50 years.
I loved Al Davis, and I love this trade.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
He better be performing at the rivers, brees and brady level. And he better do it for at least 5+ years
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LOL, nice. You set arbitrary expectations that are almost impossible to meet (no one has claimed Palmer is as good as Brees and Brady) which will allow you to run around crying this was a bad trade from now til doomsday.
Schit, you could watch Palmer hoist the Lombardi trophy and you’ll still say “Yeah, but think of those first rounders!”
Give me a break. Two 1sts for a franchise QB is a fair price. Look at what Chicago paid for Cutler who then takes them to the NFC Championship despite no offensive line or wide receivers to speak of.
Raiders have a better supporting cast than Chicago. This is a good deal.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:51 am
RaiderReign, is being accused of being me that bad?
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I respect your fandom… No doubt.
But your clearly the blog antagonist. I still haven’t forgiven you for last years 5-11 prediction.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:00 am
80 mill in the bank? Who’s his financial advisor?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I think this is too much of “living on the edge.”
1) I love that we have acquired a proven qb.
but….
2) We gave up too much. If we had a great or really good defense that needed only tweaking to be great/good through this season and the next few, I’d say the price of what we gave up for him was not too high
but…
3) We have an aging D-line and even now poor to mediocre line-backing. Our secondary is learning, but the jury is still out on how they will progress as players. How in the world, with no draft picks, do we build a bully on D? How to we even build a respectable D when it’s clear that while our D-line is right now the defense’s strength, it’s old in the tooth. One of our most effective guys, Henderson, can only play a few downs here and there. Seymour can’t practice much. Kelly? Inconsistent.
4) Even if Palmer hadn’t had the bad injury (and yes, it HAS messed with his head–that and crazy management and bad teams) at 31, with NO mobility at all, I fear for his health since more and more, quarterbacking in the NFL requires a QB with quick feet. Brady has quick feet, even if he’s not a running QB and Brady has had the best protection in the league for years. If Palmer he goes down, even for a week or two here or there, where are we?
5) With or without Campbell, with or w/out Palmer, we were not going to be Super Bowl-bound with our D this year. With a healthy Campbell, yes, we were definitely going to compete for making the playoffs, but Super Bowl Bound? No way. Not with our D. That was at year or two away with some good drafts or trades for players on D. Now, how far away are we with no way to get quality defensive players?
Again, I like Palmer and I hope this works out for us, but the price? Much too high.
It seems Hue is the type of guy willing to go for the temporary high at the expense of long-term gains. However, I have to believe Amy Trask was highly involved in this, thinking of tickets sales–that’s her job, after all, and you have to admit, this is exciting and likely to sell tickets. Maybe the decision to make this trade even with the high price paid for it involved much more than wins and losses–I think the organization has decided “Just win, Baby…NOW” and it may be because of the bigger issues of landing a stadium deal somewhere…with someone.
Wow. Think of the pressure Palmer faces with boo-birds just ready to come out at his first incompletion.
I think Hue’s propensity to live on the edge has been shown once again and this move (because of the price), is like not kicking that field goal in last Sunday’s game. Let’s hope that in spite of it all, we win in the end anyway.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Welcome to Hue’s version of the NF Al…
if you don’t like it,
see you later…
Code Black baby…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Hue Javkson > Gruden
Palmer > Gannon
John Madden/Jim Otto ~ Al Davis
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
repost:
I can only imagine that Hue had a long talk with Carson before pulling the trigger on this trade.
I would guess that Hue spoke of our chances to win it all and the legacy of Al Davis and how nice it would be to win it all this year for Al.
I would also imagine that Hue asked him about his ability to quickly pick up our offense and what kind of shape he is in and where his head is at.
I would also wager that if Palmer was not giving Hue the answers he wanted to hear the trade would not have happened.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Sullivan 244:
Boller we got for free.
This deal smells like panic buying to me. They could have probably gotten him for a lot less and let him fight it out with JC and Boller for the top spot a while back if they thought there was value there.
Applaud the effort to improve the team but there is a cost for everything and I think 2 #1s is WAY too steep.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Rayda Swagger…post 262:
Excellente….great post and right on Target, dead target.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am
They could have probably gotten him for a lot less and let him fight it out with JC and Boller for the top spot a while back if they thought there was value there.
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Again, what makes you think that? Absolutely zero indication that such was the case.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:02 am
I don’t understand all the wailing and knashing of teeth here. Palmer is a good quarterback who comes to a team that had an average quarterback. We just got better.
Plus, we now have a transition to the Pryor era.
This is a quarterback driven league, and we just upgraded our quarterback position.
It’s about time.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Have some of you forgot that we are 4-2 and half a game out of first place. Palmer is an instant upgrade over JC and also gives us a QB for next year. JC was in the last year of his deal and who knows how well he’ll recover.
Carson Palmer has always had his name right up there with Manning, Brady, etc. This immediately puts the Raiders up there considering we have the best RB in the NFL in RUN DMC. Watch out SD Chargeless! Nov 10th your getting your a$$es handed to you
October 18th, 2011 at 10:03 am
317 totally agree
October 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I think Huge, like Gruden wanted “HIS” QB. Let’s face it, Soup was not Huge’s guy. He benched him in 2nd game last year and maybe got tired of watching him leave more plays/points/yards on the field than a high schooler.
NOW, Huge has HIS guy and is going to make a few runs at the prize in the coming seasons. Think 1999. Get ready for a RIDE!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Some if you have lost ur mind you cant win in this league wuthout a QB. Last time i checked that went out the window last sunday. We are winning this season with a great team. Without this trade that would have been thrown out the window also. Boller, mcnabb, orton, pryor are whatever else some of you wanted makes me laugh. Now we have a true vet QB who can mentor pryor. You dont get anything for free in this world and the raiders new that it was worth it.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am
The team really doesn’t need to worry about the 2 #1 picks. This team is so young. It really isn’t a issue.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I gotta thank Al Davis for getting this deal done, just win beh beh!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am
286.fingers Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Gannon also said he could see Palmer playing Sunday
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Gannon says a lot of things.
On Sunday in the Cleveland game he questoned a Jackson call as too risky.
When it worked he said “That’s what I like about Hue willing to take a risk…”
October 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Thank you Hue Jackson!
Thanks you Mark Davis!
Thank you Amy Trask!
Why not us!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am
317.luvmarvhub Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
I think this is too much of “living on the edge.”
1) I love that we have acquired a proven qb.
but….
2) We gave up too much. If we had a great or really good defense that needed only tweaking to be great/good through this season and the next few, I’d say the price of what we gave up for him was not too high
but…
3) We have an aging D-line and even now poor to mediocre line-backing. Our secondary is learning, but the jury is still out on how they will progress as players. How in the world, with no draft picks, do we build a bully on D? How to we even build a respectable D when it’s clear that while our D-line is right now the defense’s strength, it’s old in the tooth. One of our most effective guys, Henderson, can only play a few downs here and there. Seymour can’t practice much. Kelly? Inconsistent.
4) Even if Palmer hadn’t had the bad injury (and yes, it HAS messed with his head–that and crazy management and bad teams) at 31, with NO mobility at all, I fear for his health since more and more, quarterbacking in the NFL requires a QB with quick feet. Brady has quick feet, even if he’s not a running QB and Brady has had the best protection in the league for years. If Palmer he goes down, even for a week or two here or there, where are we?
5) With or without Campbell, with or w/out Palmer, we were not going to be Super Bowl-bound with our D this year. With a healthy Campbell, yes, we were definitely going to compete for making the playoffs, but Super Bowl Bound? No way. Not with our D. That was at year or two away with some good drafts or trades for players on D. Now, how far away are we with no way to get quality defensive players?
Again, I like Palmer and I hope this works out for us, but the price? Much too high.
It seems Hue is the type of guy willing to go for the temporary high at the expense of long-term gains. However, I have to believe Amy Trask was highly involved in this, thinking of tickets sales–that’s her job, after all, and you have to admit, this is exciting and likely to sell tickets. Maybe the decision to make this trade even with the high price paid for it involved much more than wins and losses–I think the organization has decided “Just win, Baby…NOW” and it may be because of the bigger issues of landing a stadium deal somewhere…with someone.
Wow. Think of the pressure Palmer faces with boo-birds just ready to come out at his first incompletion.
I think Hue’s propensity to live on the edge has been shown once again and this move (because of the price), is like not kicking that field goal in last Sunday’s game. Let’s hope that in spite of it all, we win in the end anyway.
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Post of the day.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:05 am
JC era finished before it really got started. Thanks for the memories JC.
I am loving this trade.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I repeat to anyone: how are two high first rounders too steep a price to pay for a franchise QB to lead a team that can win right now?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If Boller plays this week against the Chiefs, just how mentally and emotionally down will he be, knowing the org. doesn’t believe he has what it takes to win games?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If both Palmer & Campbell were healthy, I’d rather have Jason.
A first round pick for Carson Palmer?????? wow.
I understand we’re between a rock and a hard place, but, Wow!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
luvmarvhub Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If Boller plays this week against the Chiefs, just how mentally and emotionally down will he be, knowing the org. doesn’t believe he has what it takes to win games?
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One reason why I think Palmer starts Sunday
October 18th, 2011 at 10:08 am
You are a bumbling fool thats why.
JC tackles himself, fumbles, gets hurt!
lmao
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KoolKell Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If both Palmer & Campbell were healthy, I’d rather have Jason.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:08 am
RAAAAAAAAAIDERS!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
All that being said….
I THINK THIS DEAL STINKS.
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Really surprised to hear that from you RM99.
We were not going to get a good QB with a pick in the mid to late 20’s.
Palmer can hit out OPEN receivers deep. That in and of itself is worth the price, wouldn’t you say?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Richard Seymour likes the Trade….” can’t pass up a guy like Palmer”..
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
You are kidding right Kell? Campbell is a swell guy, but you are kidding…right?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
BrownStains
How’s your trailer smelling this morning?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
If both Palmer & Campbell were healthy, I’d rather have Jason.
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WOW!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Fk R Seymour, if I was the GM I would have sent him to Cinn and saved a draft pic!
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fingers Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Richard Seymour likes the Trade
October 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am
The reaction from my two buddies who are Bronco fans?
One just texted back “fuk”
And the other one said, “BS you are lying.”
October 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Not a racially motivated decision right, KK
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KoolKell Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If both Palmer & Campbell were healthy, I’d rather have Jason.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Man I LOVE being a Raider fan. Good times…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
luvmarvhub Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If Boller plays this week against the Chiefs, just how mentally and emotionally down will he be, knowing the org. doesn’t believe he has what it takes to win games?
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Why would that be a problem, he was a back-up to Campbell?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Mista…you aren’t Gm….. Are you..
October 18th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Who cares about 1st rounders anyway… We havent had the best of luck with them… Take a proven commodity (at least I hope he is) over a huge question mark anyday…
If you have as much talent as the Silver & Black, who needs draft picks anyway??
Go for broke in 2011, Hue… Al wouldve done the same!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am
“Palmer is rooted to the ground back there – here come the sacks”
You kidding me?? And J Camp has been moving in the pocket gracefully?!? The Raiders O-line has done a hell of a job. Campbell does no moving in the pocket either. Palmer is EXACTLY what we need. A strong armed accurate QB that doesnt need to move around too much. Perfect fit. Those that hate get off the wagon…NOW!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Wow K2, I love posting drunk as much as the next fan, but moderation is the key buddy…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Two years from now, Hue will be a “living God” in Raiderland, or a fired and hated coach.
The outcome of this trade will define Hue Jackson’s future, as well as that of the Raiders during the next few years.
We can all speculate but I suggest that you just strap on the harness and enjoy the ride. What has been done, has been done. Don’t sweat it, it doesn’t pay your bills or get you layed.
Relax. Hopefully this move will live in Raider legend!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Lets hope Campbell lands in KC or Denver next year.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:10 am
The reaction from my two buddies who are Bronco fans?
One just texted back “fuk”
And the other one said, “BS you are lying.”
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Thats good stuff… I’ll bet all the other haters are thinking the same thing, but will say how stupid the Raiders are instead… Keep on hating, fools!…..
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
JLofty Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
You are kidding right Kell? Campbell is a swell guy, but you are kidding…right?
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No. I don’t know what I’m getting with Palmer, but I know I’m losing a 1st round draft pick.
The Raiders have to go to at least the AFC championship game to make this trade worthwhile.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Rraaaaiiiiddddeeeerrrssss…
Hue Jackson isn’t gonna let the grass grow under his feet…. The guy makes moves…
Like the addition of Curry too!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Looks like it’s a one and a two, unless Raiders beat the Bengals in the playoffs – then it’s two ones
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Campbell has Autism. It’s written all over his face. He just has that “i dunno” look.
Campbell sliding behind the first down marker, fumbling when not touched, not understanding how to slide?
I mean I learned how slide by age 7. I work with kids who can slide better than Campbell.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall? 11-7 as a starter…his deep ball would piss me off but I like him as our QB and still believed we would have won AFC West. He is hurt and we made a move. Palmer is here now so let’s see what happens….but please enough with doggin the dude. You guys have had it out for him since he came here…..chill out mayne
October 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Greg Papa on the radio selling JC down the river.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am
6.RaidingTexas Says:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Jerry has been reading all of your idiotic speculation on available QBs. Nice to see him try and put a stop to this madness.
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Ahem!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Is Campbell a FA after this year?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
361.8RaiderReign8 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Campbell has Autism. It’s written all over his face. He just has that “i dunno” look.
Campbell sliding behind the first down marker, fumbling when not touched, not understanding how to slide?
I mean I learned how slide by age 7. I work with kids who can slide better than Campbell.
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Autism? Man I have a family member he has it and what you are saying is totally out of bounds
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
So big IF now, IF Palmer wins us the superbowl would it be bad if we don’t get to be a consistently succesful team in the next decade due to our lack of first rounders???
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
John Tweedy Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Hue Javkson > Gruden
Palmer > Gannon
John Madden/Jim Otto ~ Al Davis
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Close John Tweedy, but more like…
Amy Trask, John Herarra, Tom Florez, Ron Wolf, Mark Davis, Hue Jackson, John Madden, and Jim Otto all combined = Al Davis
Al Davis made all of these people.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
11.The Big Banana Says:
October 17th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
If the quarterback isn’t Boller and they found someone to come in and replace him in short order, that means they made a colossal mistake in constructing their roster. Boller should have never been the backup in the first place.
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Jerry gets it. Break it down for these panic stricken fans that seem to think a QB off the street gives us a better chance than a guy hand picked to be Soup’s backup and that has intimate knowledge of the playbill.
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Ahem!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
# 362…agree…don’t see any need to trash Campbell
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
We gambled? What about the Falcons? We got a franchise QB.
The Falcons really coveted a receiver in the first round because they were eager to move up from the 27th spot. It was a blockbuster deal. In exchange for getting the sixth pick, Atlanta gave the Browns five — five! — draft picks: their 1st- (27th overall), second- (59th) and fourth-round (124th) picks this year and their first- and fourth-round picks in 2012.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
For all the money and picks Carson is going to cost, he is only 2 points ahead of Campbell. And, Campbell is only one step ahead of mediocrity, but was taking control of his game this season. Carson doesn’t have much left, as Cork says he has taken a lot of hits.
I don’t like this trade, a desperation move by HueJax or whomever is making Raider deals. You don’t only lose the picks, costs a lot of money, but in all likelihood, Campbell and Pryor as well. I mean why would you keep Campbell, and if your plan is to make Pryor a QB, with Carson around Terrell will sit at least 2 or 3 years. Unless they gamble on making him a receiver or TE.
I realize that Boller is a higher risk to take, would take the team down quick, but there’s no way the “time is now.,” and Carson is by no means the one now.
Someone got desperate (HueJax, Trask?), you get desperate the chances are not good. I know HueJax wants to live on the edge, well here we go.
Getting two high draft choices, getting rid of a major cash drain, and a major headache, the bungles are on a good track, and have a chance to develop a now better than good QB in Andy Dalton.
Not a good omen for HueJax, but he got desperate, understandably?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
353.ElkGRaider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:13 am
“Palmer is rooted to the ground back there – here come the sacks”
You kidding me?? And J Camp has been moving in the pocket gracefully?!? The Raiders O-line has done a hell of a job. Campbell does no moving in the pocket either. Palmer is EXACTLY what we need. A strong armed accurate QB that doesnt need to move around too much. Perfect fit. Those that hate get off the wagon…NOW!!
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I agree like when he moved to toss the TD to chaz schilens…..oh boy you guys are a trip today
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
palmer was awesome when hue was with him on cincy, he will be again…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
I knew HueJax was never sold on Campbell. Knew it ever since he benched Jason for Grads several times last season. Davis wasn’t sold on Jason either. That’s why he wasn’t extended. The writing was on the wall for JC, but alot of people chose not to see it.
I think the Raids overpaid immensely for Palmer, but at least they didn’t make the mistake of sticking with Campbell.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Boller is happy to be employed and this will be an audition for him as a starter and continued #2, but Hue Knows both! Now as far as #1 picks? We got here without a lot of high picks and we have a very young team the pieces we need are vets that can shore up depth! We are young at every position and what we have like 14 free former 1st rd picks now LMAO! This team needs a Solid foundation offensively to build from to move forward and this pickup will ease Pryor’s development due to the fact that Hue was with Palmer early in his career!Campbell was not our Savior! It’s Hue and his undying dedication to Al and Us the Nation!We will be fine in the coming years ,but to save all the is the Raider Nation this makes the most sense Carson knows Hue as well as Hue Knows Carson Same goes for anyone else in our Locker Room. Go Raiders!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:19 am
i like when jacantbell fumbled as he trip over his own feet…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall?
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Amen to that Brien.
People who used to like Campbell now suddenly don’t.
Personally I’ve never liked him but he doesn’t deserve this crap.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Greg Papa on the radio selling JC down the river.
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LOL, I see Greg is still the organization’s media propaganda outlet.
Not an insult by the way. Love the guy. But he says what the Raiders tell him to
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
By the way, someone chose Carson Palmer as the MUP.
Anyone remember who that was ?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
370.fingers Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:18 am
# 362…agree…don’t see any need to trash Campbell
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Just sad to see that…..As starter I saw him plus four in the win column…and you will have the lame brains on here who will use every excuse for why he had a decent record as starter but yet they forget a QB is only position that get a W-L stat attached with their name
October 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall? 11-7 as a starter…his deep ball would piss me off but I like him as our QB and still believed we would have won AFC West. He is hurt and we made a move. Palmer is here now so let’s see what happens….but please enough with doggin the dude. You guys have had it out for him since he came here…..chill out mayne
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Saw him when I was on the East Coast. There’s nothing you can tell me about him I dont already know.
Autism might have been a little harsh, BUT LOOK WHO’S TALKING!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am
And Palmer’s not coming here, not with the bloated salary he has coming this season, and the fact that Cincinnati is only to happen to have him remain without a job as Andy Dalton thrives as a rookie quarterback. “Jerry McDonald”
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Ridiculous reporting. Please report the facts and not your opinions in the future Mr. Mc (I don’t know either) McDonald.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Text to Maury Wills. Your help will no longer be needed to teach Jason Campbell how to slide feet first. Got a QB that knows that skill.
Hue
October 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am
What’s Papa saying AIG?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Yesterday I did not believe the Raiders would make such a risky move to acquire a
talented and experienced qb. I did not realize how close they think they are.
They must feel they are one player away and they went and got him. Awesome move if they go deep in the year.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I believe the Raiders would have won the west with a healthy Campbell…. I also think the Raiders will win the west with Palmer….
It’s a good trade…IMO
October 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am
luvmarvhub Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:07 am
If Boller plays this week against the Chiefs, just how mentally and emotionally down will he be, knowing the org. doesn’t believe he has what it takes to win games?
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it’s his job, how much is he getting paid? boo hooo
October 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
378.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall?
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Amen to that Brien.
People who used to like Campbell now suddenly don’t.
Personally I’ve never liked him but he doesn’t deserve this crap.
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JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER and this is what the lame brains cant dispute….certain JC haters, and they know who they are, were hardly posting but now they coming out in full force to bash him to this extent…….pitiful and cowardly
October 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
HueJax for GM, and Amy and Mark asst. GMs’ (along with their many other titles).
At least we know what we get for the 1st round. Can not say I disagree with Amy and Hue and Mark. 1st picks can be a fcking gamble, and if you lose, well, just look back a few years ago.
When Al gave up a 1st round for Seymour, he got the best pick of anyone in the draft. Like it or not, this is Raider politics and back room dealings, whealer dealer style.
Gotta love it. Al Davis genious lives!
CODE BLACK BABY!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am
“No. I don’t know what I’m getting with Palmer, but I know I’m losing a 1st round draft pick”
Damn…I thought KoolKel was smarter than this! Lost some respect. Its the total opposite way around…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Dstomp…
1) you just got that rant from KNBR…even I can stream it over here.
2) Did Cincy know Dalton would grasp the reigns and lead them to 4-2? Uh, noooooooooooooooooooooo.
In that light, Cincy was in no way going to give up Palmer during the summer.
Cincy now find themselves with a great young QB who has won many games and disposable QB riding the pine.
Cincy can NOW trade Palmer away, something they couldn’t do over the summer.
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why is this addressed to me? and what is this ‘rant from KNBR’?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:24 am
382.8RaiderReign8 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall? 11-7 as a starter…his deep ball would piss me off but I like him as our QB and still believed we would have won AFC West. He is hurt and we made a move. Palmer is here now so let’s see what happens….but please enough with doggin the dude. You guys have had it out for him since he came here…..chill out mayne
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Saw him when I was on the East Coast. There’s nothing you can tell me about him I dont already know.
Autism might have been a little harsh, BUT LOOK WHO’S TALKING!
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Yeah I’m rough but Autism bruh? Seriously?
You can diss him for missing deep ball or not sliding correctly or being too conservative….I hear ya on that but dude was a winning starter record wise in Oakland and without him you dont get back to respectability last year nor are you 4-2 right now
October 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Marios Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
So big IF now, IF Palmer wins us the superbowl would it be bad if we don’t get to be a consistently succesful team in the next decade due to our lack of first rounders???
Yeah, I’m gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Thec, no hide & go seek this time, right?
WHERE YOU GON BE ?
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NO WAY IN THE WORLD I MISS YOU GUYSS THIS WEEKEND…
I WILL HIT B@UCE UP VIA EMAIL AND EXCAHNGE NUMBERS…
THIS IS GOING TO BE EPIC….
October 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Things happen for a reason……if Campbell would’ve not gotten hurt none of this (Palmer) would’ve happened!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Dakota – you crack me up. ring……ring……….
anybody know what draft picks we have for next year? obviously we’ll get picks for nmamdi and gallery. anybody know what picks we’ll get for them and what picks we have left?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
380.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
By the way, someone chose Carson Palmer as the MUP.
Anyone remember who that was ?
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Fk outta here with this….no it dont count. Palmer wasnt on our team and if JC doesnt get hurt Palmer is still retired…..such a cowardly old fk you are
October 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Also does this show that JCs will be out for possibly the season and more? like 9 months? You didn’t acquire Palmer for 6 games!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:27 am
The deal for palmer better be for at least 3 years…………………….
October 18th, 2011 at 10:27 am
What the hell do we need next years draft ..youngest team in the league and out best,scout al Davis just die….Superbowl baby!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Lol….more wasted breath on Jason Campbell. Apparently Hue had the same opinion of Campbell as I did…a decent game manager who has no shot of taking a team to the SB. Not the long term solution.
Now we have a legit NFL QB who can maximize our offensive weapons for the next 5 years.
Risky? Sure. Worth the risk to be back in as a playoff contender? Absolutely.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Now if Carson loses a few games in a row, what will you celebatory fks do or say then? Throw him under the bus like you did JC who never lost back to back starts?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
No hate for JC…just wish he was better.
Raiders will ALWAYS try to win, as Al said. Let the future come!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
330,
Reports are that Al had been working for a long time to get Palmer, but the price had stayed the same, and Al was unwilling to pay it. Who knows if those reports are correct, granted. And, of course, Al still had Jason.
Speaking of Jason. It’s no one’s fault, but think of it: the disappointment of going down with a season-ending injury just when he seemed to get his own team and just when he seemed to be proving he could qb a winner; going into surgery (one reason one has surgery for this injury rather than opting against it, is because it tends to mean a two week differential in recovery)on the very day you discover the team has tossed you aside since they paid big for someone else and your contract expires at the end of the season anyway.
It’s a shame when bad things happen to good people. Then again, he has financial security and this isn’t life and death.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall? 11-7 as a starter…his deep ball would piss me off but I like him as our QB and still believed we would have won AFC West. He is hurt and we made a move. Palmer is here now so let’s see what happens….but please enough with doggin the dude. You guys have had it out for him since he came here…..chill out mayne
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Co-Sign. Was never a Campbell fan, but hes still a human being, and though he wasnt great, he certainly did take us away from the embarrassment of Jamarcus. He isnt our starting QB anymore so continuing to bash him, while hes down nonetheless, is kinda g@y.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
378.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall?
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Amen to that Brien.
People who used to like Campbell now suddenly don’t.
Personally I’ve never liked him but he doesn’t deserve this crap.
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JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER and this is what the lame brains cant dispute….certain JC haters, and they know who they are, were hardly posting but now they coming out in full force to bash him to this extent…….pitiful and cowardly
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Never losing back 2 back games still makes us 8-8. How many times does he have to miss open WRs for touchdowns?
Yeah we could live with him… But it’s over now.
Jason Campbell is out as a Raider.
Period.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Is this the first franchise type QB we had in a long time or not?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am
402.Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Lol….more wasted breath on Jason Campbell. Apparently Hue had the same opinion of Campbell as I did…a decent game manager who has no shot of taking a team to the SB. Not the long term solution.
Now we have a legit NFL QB who can maximize our offensive weapons for the next 5 years.
Risky? Sure. Worth the risk to be back in as a playoff contender? Absolutely.
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This post makes no sense…..Carson is not here if JC doesnt get hurt. Notice they didnt make a push for his ass in the summer right?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Campbell was the best QB we had here since Gannon. No question about that.
Everyone, and I do mean EVERYONE agrees that his lack of an accurate deep ball was a big hinderence to this offense.
We just traded for a QB who doesn’t have that problem. I think that is allmost people are excited about and pointing out.
I don’t think there is any real JC bashing going on here.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:29 am
It is sad to see JC go down. Even tho he was not a above average and great qb, he is a great guy, JC helped put the Raiders back on the map, and did have break out games against the AFC west last year. I hope he remains a Raider, 1,2, or 3.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Btw we should have plenny of cap space without those pricey rooks…players will want to be here again.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:30 am
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
Obvious that there are fans that watch with confidence and optimism for our team and then there are the cynics that just watch waiting for the next mistake can happen so they can say “See, i told you!” I feel sad for your morons. Great trade and a no brainer!
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Yeah, but the funny thing about that is most of the guys here optimistic about this trade were the ones who said “I told you” on Jason Campbell. I believe there’s a word for that. Hmmm, let me think. What is it? Oh yeah. Hypocrisy.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am
407.8RaiderReign8 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:23 am
378.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Is it really necessary to bash JC like this yall?
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Amen to that Brien.
People who used to like Campbell now suddenly don’t.
Personally I’ve never liked him but he doesn’t deserve this crap.
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JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER and this is what the lame brains cant dispute….certain JC haters, and they know who they are, were hardly posting but now they coming out in full force to bash him to this extent…….pitiful and cowardly
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Never losing back 2 back games still makes us 8-8. How many times does he have to miss open WRs for touchdowns?
Yeah we could live with him… But it’s over now.
Jason Campbell is out as a Raider.
Period.
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His time is definitely up now no one disputing that….JC did miss some throws and I surely got on him about it as the archives will prove, but the super bashing is lame. I bet if you guys bashed JC in front of our WRs they would cuss you the fk out and say you are an enemy. That unit loved JC too death and grown close to him. You guys are just outta pocket
October 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am
This reminds me of when my friend, whose a huge White Sox fan was pumped about getting Adam Dunn, and I told him he would break his heart. Trust me Raiders Fans, this guy is washed up! He has no mobility, no leadership, is never on the same page as his receivers, and will kill you with a pick six about every other game. He hasn’t had a good season in 3 years. He may show a little enthusiasm at first, and show some promise, but then he will disappear. I wish you luck, but he is not worth 2 potential 1st round picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
413.RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:30 am
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
Obvious that there are fans that watch with confidence and optimism for our team and then there are the cynics that just watch waiting for the next mistake can happen so they can say “See, i told you!” I feel sad for your morons. Great trade and a no brainer!
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Yeah, but the funny thing about that is most of the guys here optimistic about this trade were the ones who said “I told you” on Jason Campbell. I believe there’s a word for that. Hmmm, let me think. What is it? Oh yeah. Hypocrisy.
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Truth
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
In 5 weeks when we are 8-2 yall are gonna be eating some awfully tasty crow.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER
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Because the team around him was pretty damn good.
Decent QB.
Your boy Al Davis didn’t think he was the long term solution.
He’s hurt.
We are moving on.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Those tickets to the Raider game Nov. 10th in SD just rose in value! Anybody else going?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Carson Palmer meet JFord DMoore DHB Schilens Murphy Hagan Boss Ausberry Reece DMAC Bush TJ Oline with Hue calling the plays
and a d that has figured out how to stop the run
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Two 1st rounders for a 32 year old QB that is not elite and hasn’t played in over a year? Gave up too much. Maybe two 2nds, but not two 1sts. Terrible negotiating, not that the raiders ever cared about that.
He better take this team to a SB and play at a high level (top 5 –
for 10 years.
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??????????? WTF.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
The future is now.
Mr. Palmer, here are the keys to the Ferrari. So many weapons.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
anyhow…you real Raiders….and I can tell not alot of them are on here right now….take care…I’ll be back a little later
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
TheToozFan55 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Those tickets to the Raider game Nov. 10th in SD just rose in value! Anybody else going?
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I’m there!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Kurt Warner…. Palmer trade makes the Raiders better
October 18th, 2011 at 10:34 am
418.J Hill Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER
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Because the team around him was pretty damn good.
Decent QB.
Your boy Al Davis didn’t think he was the long term solution.
He’s hurt.
We are moving on.
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Told yall the lame excuses would come lol as to why he won some games….wack….see yall later
October 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
We have compensatory picks coming from #21 & N Miller. M Bush is expendable trade bait for a pick if they choose to go that route.
The world is not coming to an end!
The end
October 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
J Hill Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER
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Because the team around him was pretty damn good.
Decent QB.
Your boy Al Davis didn’t think he was the long term solution.
He’s hurt.
We are moving on.
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Damn straight. Moving on. Other teams just went from being focused on McFadden to having their effin hands full. This is gonna be great.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
GoRaider: “When Al gave up a 1st round for Seymour, he got the best pick of anyone in the draft. Like it or not, this is Raider politics and back room dealings, whealer dealer style.”
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umm – didn’t NE pick starting RT Nate Solder with that pick they got from us? A fixture for the next 12 years for them….
Seymour can’t even practice half the time and has about 1 maybe 2 years left if that
don’t be so shortsighted
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
We have compensatory picks coming from #21 & N Miller. M Bush is expendable trade bait for a pick if they choose to go that route.
The world is not coming to an end!
The end
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Still some sensible folks left I see!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
mikebrownsucks Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:31 am
This reminds me of when my friend, whose a huge White Sox fan was pumped about getting Adam Dunn, and I told him he would break his heart. Trust me Raiders Fans, this guy is washed up! He has no mobility, no leadership, is never on the same page as his receivers, and will kill you with a pick six about every other game. He hasn’t had a good season in 3 years. He may show a little enthusiasm at first, and show some promise, but then he will disappear. I wish you luck, but he is not worth 2 potential 1st round picks.
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if he’s that bad it’s a 1st and a 2nd. If we coulda done it with Boller we can do it with him. If we couldn’t have done it with Boller why wait till next year?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
394.Mum-O-killowe Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Marios Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:17 am
So big IF now, IF Palmer wins us the superbowl would it be bad if we don’t get to be a consistently succesful team in the next decade due to our lack of first rounders???
Yeah, I’m gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell!!!!!
Great post 394! And don’t forget Marinovich!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Going to again to the game this Sunday. Will Palmer start? I’m not to sure. Boller better be ready. Can’t give away any W’s!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:36 am
My optimism about Palmer has nothing to do with Campbell. I had grown to appreciate Campbell. He was the leader of our offense and we were really in good shape with him, but Palmer just kicked up to another level.
It comes as no surprise to me that half the people in here are ready to jump off the ledge. Ignorant people ranting based on opinion, and feeding off of each other. Its all good though, all you naysayers, feel free to hop of the train, cuz its gonna keep on movin without you.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am
LMFAO!!!!!!!!
DJ Gallo just wrote a column on ESPN that warns the Raiders they’re making a mistake mortaging the future by getting Palmer.
Gallo then recommends a list of five alternate quarterbacks we could go with and lists………………………
Fuk’n Jeff George and Jamarcus Russel!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am
His time is definitely up now no one disputing that….JC did miss some throws and I surely got on him about it as the archives will prove, but the super bashing is lame. I bet if you guys bashed JC in front of our WRs they would cuss you the fk out and say you are an enemy. That unit loved JC too death and grown close to him. You guys are just outta pocket
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This coming from a dude that’s made threats on this blog that could hold up in the court of law.
I’ll just say this…watch and see how many teams are interested in Campbell next year. It will be VERY telling.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:38 am
We now have a Qb that can throw the ball into the field of play not out of bounds deep! Stretch the field and force the defense to respect his arm & accuracy. This will open up the run game and maybe HUE can get BOSS involved too, what do you say HUE ?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Great trade.
Hue had to pull the trigger and he did.
Hue wants to win NOW!
Now IF, our O-line weren’t playing so good, I would say… What a stupid trade, but thats not the case.
Palmer is going to be playing behind a solid O-line
+ He has a ton of weapons, which he didn’t have in Cincy
+ A excellent running game w/ DMAC
Playoffs fa sho’
October 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
“Why would that be a problem, he was a back-up to Campbell?”
Good question, one I did consider. I guess it depends on what Hue told Boller during camp and during the season and especially, what he told him after Jason’s injury. If he was brutally up front with him after Jason went down and said something like, “Look, Kyle, I need you to at least beat the Chiefs this week, and be ready this Sunday, but we are going to go out and try to get someone to replace Jason if we can. If we can’t, you are our starter for the foreseeable future.”
If that kind of conversation happened, then I think Boller would be disappointed but not down in spirits.
It’s true that in his presser after the game or on Monday (don’t recall) Hue didn’t give a ringing endorsement of Boller being promoted to number 1 for the rest of the season so maybe Boller was prepared for remaining a number 2. Depends on what Hue told him. I’d like to believe Hue is up front with his guys. I think that’s always the best policy if you want to remain respected by your players.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
So…any Carson nicknames yet?
Can’t wait for first td… Papa: “…straight outta Carson!”
October 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAHAAA
OMG what a day!
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A local NBC affiliate in Richmond, Virginia reports that thieves stole a truck carrying hundreds of thousands of dollars worth of equipment that travels with President Obahma, including his Teleprompters
October 18th, 2011 at 10:40 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:26 am
380.RAIDERMAN99 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:20 am
By the way, someone chose Carson Palmer as the MUP.
Anyone remember who that was ?
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Fk outta here with this….no it dont count. Palmer wasnt on our team and if JC doesnt get hurt Palmer is still retired…..such a cowardly old fk you are
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Don’t count ?
Counted when I made the pick, didn’t it ?
I know Palmer wasn’t on the team. That’s what makes the pick so good.
If Jason doesn’t get hurt, Palmer is still retired…
Yeah, and if the queen had balls, she’d be the king.
Fact is, JC did get hurt and Palmer is no longer retired – He’s a Raider.
Bauze, you are a douche.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:41 am
“We now have a Qb that can throw the ball into the field of play not out of bounds deep! Stretch the field and force the defense to respect his arm & accuracy. This will open up the run game and maybe HUE can get BOSS involved too, what do you say HUE ?”
Can it be that MistaBrown and I are in agreement?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Hahaaa. .. in hue we trust??? You can throw That out for a bunch of morons here!! Palmer was a #1 pick… Campbell wasn’t. … get over it!! Go Raiders!! Bye bye Campbell. …
October 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
666Glen, kissing my a$$ will get you nowhere but yes we are.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Jason Campbell is history. He was a stop gap that did his job. Now we have found a legit QB who can make us contenders. With Campbell, at best we were a nice story that was going nowhere in the playoffs.
Now we have a five year window to make good things happen. Will it result in a SB? Who knows, but anyone using commen sense knew we were not going to the SB with Jason Campbell.
He’ll be fine as a backup or stop gap elsewhere. Heck, maybe Washington will pick him back up lol.
No hate for JC, he just isn’t what some of you would like us to believe he was.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
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CHECK YA EMAIL MAYNE…
October 18th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Coach Purple Lips made a great trade Mista, agreed?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Do they have the 2 for 1 games going on this Sunday?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
317 gets it – best post
especially his point #3
October 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Not gonna hate on JC he balled when he was here ….
October 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Don’t count ?
Counted when I made the pick, didn’t it ?
I know Palmer wasn’t on the team. That’s what makes the pick so good.
If Jason doesn’t get hurt, Palmer is still retired…
Yeah, and if the queen had balls, she’d be the king.
Fact is, JC did get hurt and Palmer is no longer retired – He’s a Raider.
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Awesome call. What people don’t realize is Campbell was always likely to get hurt. Remember last year he had all those stingers?
For Christ sake he didn’t even know when to slide.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Coach purple lips?
Why you being disrespectful to Hue?
He didn’t make a trade he is not the GM!
Idiot.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:47 am
life is so frigile and so unpredictable.
An inch here or a few inches there and everything turns around.
If Campbell doesn’t try for the first down, plays it safe and settles for less, he’s probably still around and taking all the practice snaps.
Now, Campbell is recovering from surgery, Boller is next man up, Palmer is on his way, drafts picks are gone, “The ONE” has to wait for his development and Hue will either be vilified or placed on an alter…a few years from now.
These changes, among many many more, will occur over the next few years. All because of a few inches here or a few inches there.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:47 am
I like the trade. First rounders are no guarantee and we are really a good young team that does not need to rebuild. Even if our first rounder was a success it usually takes three years or so for the player to pan out and our team is ready to make a run for the playoffs and go deep into them in the here and now. If we have to give up that conditional pick that means Carson is helping this team light up the scoreboard. The man has had to play four games a year against the Steelers and Ravens D and can still put up good numbers. We also seem to have gotten Ndukwe out of this trade.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:47 am
“commen” sense? jezuz I need some coffee!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Amy and Mark are legit.
HueJax is the man.
Jason Campbell helped put the Raiders back on the map.
There are no guarantees in life, but all these folks get a A+ for effort.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:48 am
jason campbell = not jim plunkett
October 18th, 2011 at 10:48 am
446.Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Jason Campbell is history. He was a stop gap that did his job. Now we have found a legit QB who can make us contenders. With Campbell, at best we were a nice story that was going nowhere in the playoffs.
Now we have a five year window to make good things happen. Will it result in a SB? Who knows, but anyone using commen sense knew we were not going to the SB with Jason Campbell.
He’ll be fine as a backup or stop gap elsewhere. Heck, maybe Washington will pick him back up lol.
No hate for JC, he just isn’t what some of you would like us to believe he was.
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Dakota I sure hope you are right about that bro. I would be amazed if Carson came in and started producing right off the bat. Do you think he will be in for the KC game?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Campbell will be 31 next season with a jacked up right arm…. Palmer will be 32 next season… with two probowls… he was the Heisman trophy winner… has a strong arm with great accuracy. … who would you rather sign to a 3-5 yr contract? ? Palmer or Campbell? ? …. PALMER!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
There are only a handful of QB’s that I Have ever seen that are worth a #1 and a addtional-conditional #1.
Montana,Marino,Moon,Elway,Unitas,Staubach,Favre and now Aaron Rogers…and our very own (snake) Stabler, that you would ever think about making this trade for. Unless he delivers the Hardware within the next 2 Years (and im not talikng about getting there and losing) this trade is worthless!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
CJ Legend 34,
I don’t think Palmer will play against KC, but I think in three weeks he will play against Dungver after our bye week.
We can survive one game with Boller.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:51 am
JC lovers STFU. He was average. Didn’t know how to slide. No audibles. Fumbles on his own. Breathed through his mouth. Threw bad picks. No fire. He is gone now. Hurt and won;t have a role on our team. Palmer better has something lft in the tank because we traded a lot for him.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:51 am
J Campbell did help make this team revalent again.
Not to mention he could at least set up the plays, manage the clock, not make costly passes (excepten NE game). But he could get the ball to the play makers to make plays but his deep ball was so limited.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Something needed to be done and was done.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Palmer and his wife are coming to Oaktown!!!! yeah baby!!! Go Raiders!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Just a shoutout to all using this blog! i get the most up-to-date info here as well as great links to videos…………not to mention the comic relief.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
“666Glen, kissing my a$$ will get you nowhere but yes we are.”
The only way I would kiss your butt is if you were the one signing my checks!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
We have compensatory picks coming from #21 & N Miller. M Bush is expendable trade bait for a pick if they choose to go that route.
The world is not coming to an end!
The end
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if you were joking, it would be funny as he11, sadly its probably just a mistake!
but Nick Miller is on the PS in St Louis, so I assume you meant ZACH miller.
remember we might get a pick for Gallery as well!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Hagar The Horrible Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:47 am
life is so frigile and so unpredictable.
An inch here or a few inches there and everything turns around.
If Campbell doesn’t try for the first down, plays it safe and settles for less, he’s probably still around and taking all the practice snaps.
Now, Campbell is recovering from surgery, Boller is next man up, Palmer is on his way, drafts picks are gone, “The ONE” has to wait for his development and Hue will either be vilified or placed on an alter…a few years from now.
These changes, among many many more, will occur over the next few years. All because of a few inches here or a few inches there.
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Well said
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Campbell’s chapter is now closed.
Time to move foward w/ Palmer.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
462.Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:50 am
CJ Legend 34,
I don’t think Palmer will play against KC, but I think in three weeks he will play against Dungver after our bye week.
We can survive one game with Boller.
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Agreed man Boller’s game scares me big time. I recall his Baltimore days it was a bad roller coaster ride for those fans.
It will be exciting to see what Palmer can do with two weeks of practice under his belt.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
MistaBrown, I want to be your friend! Im going to kiss your ass all day. I want to be cool like you.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:54 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:35 am
We have compensatory picks coming from #21 & N Miller. M Bush is expendable trade bait for a pick if they choose to go that route.
The world is not coming to an end!
The end
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Ha ha ha!
Ha ha!
You tell ‘em MB!
The world’s not coming to an end!
Ha ha.
You get ‘em, MB. Get ‘em!
MB!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:54 am
There is one thing that scares me about a qb with a gun for an arm and this particular Raider team:
We don’t have the kind of D that can minimize damage when their qb throws a pick in their territory. Thus, the “game manager” type qb like Jason was working precisely because Jason knew his limitations and had strict orders from Hue to not turn over the ball.
Guys with big arms or more aggressive mindsets than that of a guy like Jason, always think they can gun it past that defender. That could leave our D in a lot of poor positions and face it, they aren’t that good.
It’ll be up to Hue’s coaching to impress that upon Palmer, but usually you can’t take a guy’s natural instincts away.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Did anyone consider that J Campbell is still signed and it is possible Palmer could get hurt and he may have to come back and play in the playoffs. Man would that have drama or what????
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Of course I meant Z Miller you Euro derelict!
smh
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# La Milicia Negra Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:52 am
if you were joking, it would be funny as he11, sadly its probably just a mistake!
but Nick Miller is on the PS in St Louis, so I assume you meant ZACH miller.
remember we might get a pick for Gallery as well!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Hey MB, want to go to Red Robin, Chili’s or something later? My treat!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Bengals fans are out there acting like Mike Brown gamed this whole thing and is now some sort of genius. Give me a break. If Campbell didn’t get hurt the Bengals wouldn’t have gotten anything.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
First time poster just want to hollah and say to ya’ll go Raiders and keep the news comin 1st right here. Raiders ready to rock n roll.
The team across the bay can suck some juicy dick.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Attention All Haters of this trade.
Are you really gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, Maronavich, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell for a couple years, in exchange for ready to go players? I’m not.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I can’t remember the last time the Raiders a traded #1 pick and it ended up good for the franchise…… says the Raider fan watching Richard Seymour highlights in NFL Network.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Get off my nuts fuktard.
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# Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
MistaBrown, I want to be your friend! Im going to kiss your ass all day. I want to be cool like you.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Look… jc did his job… but he wasn’t the qb we needed to get us to the superbowl… jc looked awesome because he came after jablubber…. now were going from jc the serviceable qb to a two time probowler with the Superbowl on our minds…like it or not people …The Raiders are back! !
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
If this deal is finalized (and I think it will be) 3 things are apparent. #1: Hue is a gambler and is rolling the dice big time here. If Palmer works out we go deep into the playoffs this year and are a contender for the next couple of years with Palmer under center, but if it doesn’t work out Hue is toast. #2: Campbell is either finished or might be resigned as the #2 QB going forward with Pryor in the wings as the QB of the future. Boller is done as a Raider after this season. #3 the team in general (and Hue in particular) don’t see much value coming out of this upcoming draft so it makes sense to either roll the dice now or give up on this season.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Hey MB, let’s go to Oakland and see Al’s memorial. Let’s take a picture in front of the coffin. IT has the 3 SB trophies on top of it! Then we’ll go to Red Robin or something. HAve a beer. Take pictures. Call me!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Chili’s sounds good!
I’ll alert B so he can show up and beat your a$$. Then I can tell the story to the blog.
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# Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Hey MB, want to go to Red Robin, Chili’s or something later? My treat!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Make no mistake, I am on board with Palmer because I like Hue Jackson.
I don’t like the compensation though. Need a young DT to replace Seymour and an NT for Henderson.
Also, if Bruce isn’t developing, going to need a Right Guard and Tackle in next year or two.
The Raiders will have to depend on the roster and work like hell re-signing their own
October 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Did anyone consider that J Campbell is still signed and it is possible Palmer could get hurt and he may have to come back and play in the playoffs. Man would that have drama or what????
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I was thinking that, but if we IR Campbell, we are forced to not be able to use him again this season.
Does anyone know if that applies to the playoffs, too?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
should i start playing the violin while everyone brings up their jason campbell memeories? he made this team relevant again? i assume you all also give Tom Cable credit lol. Palmer is our all-in investment. Focus on that. Campbell is irrelevent now.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:57 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Get off my nuts fuktard.
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Ha ha. Ha!!
Good ole ‘MB. That’s just his style. Let’s go check out Al’s memorial today and go to Chili’s, MB! My treat!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am
# J Hill Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:09 am
All that being said….
I THINK THIS DEAL STINKS.
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Really surprised to hear that from you RM99.
We were not going to get a good QB with a pick in the mid to late 20’s.
Palmer can hit out OPEN receivers deep. That in and of itself is worth the price, wouldn’t you say?
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No, I wouldn’t say that.
JH, you know I didn’t think Campbell was any good. I’m convinced Hue knew Campbell wasn’t any good, and Al knew it too.
There’s no doubt in my mind it would have been a terrible mistake to continue forward with JC. I think you probably agree with that. Raids had to make a move to improve the QB position.
But I think we overpaid for Palmer. It’s that simple. If Palmer can deliver 4 to 5 years of solid play, this is NOT a terrible deal. But I’m doubtful that he can.
Sure, JC couldn’t complete long passes. Palmer should be able to. But that in and of itself, is definitely not worth two number 1’s. He’s going to have to play like a top 10 QB for 4 or 5 years to be worth that price. He’s going to have to be the complete package.
You think he can do it ?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Sweet trade! Listen, I am sadden about Jason Campbell getting hurt, I also love Kyle Boller. I am also hoping Jason can stay in the Silver and Black. But my goodness signing Carson Palmer is too sweet! Welcome to the Black Hole Palmer! Just Win Baby! Let it Roll! lol
October 18th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Obvioulsy (thanks Hue) we gave too much but thats what happens when your Qb tackles himself and breaks his neckbone all in 1 play in the middle of the season when you are chasing a SB.
If you not on board with this go Fk yourself, or in MR’s case your cousin or blowup doll.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
One #1 pick is a lot but 2 #1 draft picks is WAY to much. Palmer will need to bring a SB to Oakland to make this deal worth it. The pressure is on for HUE and Carson.
We traded Gruden for Tampa Bay’s 2002 and 2003 first-round draft picks, 2002 and 2004 second-round draft picks, and $8 million in cash.
That was A LOT, but they won a Superbowl so it didnt matter.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Mum-O-Killowe Says:
Are you really gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, Maronavich, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell for a couple years, in exchange for ready to go players? I’m not.
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The guy that made those draft picks died last week. Wake the fk up.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Chili’s sounds good!
I’ll alert B so he can show up and beat your a$$. Then I can tell the story to the blog.
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Ha ha!!!! Good ole MB. Loves to rib ya. Don’t call Brien. ha ha. He doesn’t like me. But seriously, MB, let’s go to Chili’s today! Let’s have a beer! On me!
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
More important numbers (courtesy of wikipedia):
Bengals franchise records
Highest Passer Rating, Career (Min. 500 attempts) – 89.0
Highest Passer Rating, Season (Min. 14 attempts/team game played) – 101.1 (2005)
Highest Completion Percentage, Career (Min. 200 attempts) – 63.8%
Most Completions, Season – 373 (2005)
Most Passing Yards, Season – 4131 (2007)
Only Bengals QB to pass for 4000 yards in a season (twice; 2006–2007)
Most 300+ Yard Passing Games, Season – 5 (2007; tied w/Boomer Esiason, 1987)
Most Touchdown Passes, Season – 32 (2005
Most Touchdown Passes, Game – 6 (9/16/2007 at Cleveland Browns)
Most Consecutive Games w/Passer Rating over 100 – 9 (NFL Record; tied w/Peyton Manning and Tom Brady
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
So do we trade Bush, or re-sign him?
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Dang!!! LOL!!!!!
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483.MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Get off my nuts fuktard.
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# Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:53 am
MistaBrown, I want to be your friend! Im going to kiss your ass all day. I want to be cool like you.
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
I wish I could take some of you guys with me to Santa Anita this Saturday, I would hit the Pick 4, the Pick 5 and (Obviously, Hue’s favorite word) the Pick 6.
Ya, some of you guys who can predict that Palmer will be a bust, and all this other doom and gloom. Get over it dudes. Just go with the flow and enjoy the ride.
Make sure the beer is cold and the steaks are on the grill.
Chill!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:00 am
You guys are WAY overvaluing draft picks. You also forget that we will have free agency to address any holes. There will be a sh1t ton of free agents next year because there were so many 1 year deals this year. Free agents will WANT to come to Oakland now.
We gave up a first for Seymour, and if Carson can bring to our offense what Sey brought to our defense then it was worth it.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Ha ha! Tackles himself and breaks his neck! You tell ‘em, MB! Ha ha ha!!! MB, boy. I tell ya. Good friend.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
499.Mum-O-killowe Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
So do we trade Bush, or re-sign him?
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The only way we trade Bush is for top value and we will need another RB beside Taiwan Jones if/when we let him go.
Bush has been going down real easy this year don’t know if he is hurt or out of frekn shape!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
lol
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
My take: first-round draft picks are overrated. Sure, there are some great players there. But its a crapshoot. Look at any given year’s draft. Half the first-rounders are busts or don’t emerge until later in their careers. Most of the rest are OK, solid pros. A select few each year turn into star players.
This is what we gave up to get a QB who gives us a chance to sustain and even build up the momentum we have going for the first time in a long time: the chance to roll the dice in April once or twice.
I’m with Hue.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
No need to hate on Jc though…He was our leader and contributed to the scuccess of the team….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Carson Palmer ought to reduce the price of his contract as thanks to the Raider organization for seeing to it he, a grown man, never ever again has to wear the silliest, most insanely ugly uniforms in modern NFL history.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I can see some are going to hate this trade and some are going to love it. In my opinion, I would have rather seen them get Orton for a 3rd or 4th rounder. I’m excited, though. This offense can be great with Palmer at QB.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Palmer throws the mid to long balls so much better than Campbell, it’s like the missing 4th dimension will appear on the playing field for the Raiders. Go watch Palmer highlights on youtube just from a couple years back, those are throws Campbell hasn’t been hitting this year that have been there for the taking.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Are you kidding me…. This is a great move, the last piece to a very, very young puzzle! And great for Pryor too. RAIDER FUTURE LOOKS BRIGHT!!!!!
Al Davis LIVES………..
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
MB, let’s hit Al’s memorial. Then Jack London, grab some food. Couple of beers. Then we’ll hit a red box, watch some movies, chill out and order a pizza later, get another 6 pack!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:03 am
If you not on board with this go Fk yourself, or in MR’s case your cousin or blowup doll.
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ROFLMAO……hahahahahahahaha
October 18th, 2011 at 11:03 am
RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Mum-O-Killowe Says:
Are you really gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, Maronavich, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell for a couple years, in exchange for ready to go players? I’m not.
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The Legend that made those draft picks passed away last week. Wake the up.
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And his spirit lives on.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Sullivan…you don’t give 2 cents about the Raiders. Why do you waste time on a Raider blog message board? lol
October 18th, 2011 at 11:04 am
it’s like the missing 4th dimension will appear on the playing field for the Raiders
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ROFLMAO….Blog is in RARE form….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Ha ha ha. MR’s cousin… Good ole MB. That’s my boy. Let’s get a beer and some Chili’s later, MB! I’ll text you!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:04 am
yeah man u know the afc west is collectively drippin from their collective anusses right know, and kc will be the second team this season to take it up the anus next sunday.
kc is gonna be bent ova the whole game while the raids b!tch-slap and butt plug those ass hungry kc phags all ova the field. kc goin home with some sore fckng ass. fck yeah!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Thank you Lord! Thank you Mr. Coach Allen Davis! Just Win Baby!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am
The package of draft picks are simply insane!
And we don’t have AD to blame for this either.
I was floored when I heard it this morning. Basically 2 first rounders for Palmer.
Every analyst is saying Raiders we just gutted by Cincy. I happen to agree with that view 100%.
I would have given this bounty for Brady, Brees or even Romo but not a middle of pack 32 year old QB like Palmer.
This is a move Hue will either get fired for in 2013 or against all odds becomes a saint for. This IS his legacy.
I personally thought Palmer was worth AT BEST a 2nd rounder. I hope Hue turns out to be a saint for this move. I really really really hope so. Otherwise he just shot himself and this organization foot with a shotgun!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am
#508 You need to check out the original Broncos uniforms.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am
Hagar The Horrible Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:47 am
life is so frigile and so unpredictable.
An inch here or a few inches there and everything turns around.
If Campbell doesn’t try for the first down, plays it safe and settles for less, he’s probably still around and taking all the practice snaps.
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Based on the info shared by Aig and Jhill, this was discussed even before the injury. If that’s true, then the injury just forced the issue and made us give up more.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:06 am
MB, you haven’t returned my texts! Shucks. I’ll try again!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Ponder to start for the vikes if anyone’s interested.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:01 am
No need to hate on Jc though…He was our leader and contributed to the scuccess of the team….
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Agreed.
I was thinking this morning before the trade about the little things JC did that we would miss with Boller. Ball fakes being first and foremost in my mind. He could really sell a play-action or bootleg with the best of em. Remember that one (or was it two) last year where he had the entire stadium, camera crew and TV announcers duped?
He played solid football this year and I wish him the best.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Carson Palmer, blitzing galore on defense…my goodness what a difference a day makes.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:08 am
I like the fact that he has still been working out daily and conditioning, as well as throwing every day to Housh, TO, and others.
I’m going to let everybody else freak out about the price. If you aren’t living on the edge, you’re taking up too much space.
The time is now.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Everything happens for a reason…will that be good or bad for us? Time will tell…but now its time to get on board for he will now wear the Silver and Black!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:08 am
We nee to get and sty behind this team 100….
JC is still a member of the NATION…No need to go all in on him…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
i wont miss the one read and dump off…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Unless we get the Lombardi within 2 yrs, this is a garbage trade… Ya’ll
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
The question becomes: Do you think those 2 picks produce players, the sum of which, are better than Palmer? Keep in mind there is no position more valuable/important than the QB.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
well Al is dead and we just traded two 1st rounders for 31 yr old Palmer. You cant even tell me this isn’t an Al type deal. horrible. If plamer dont take us to AFC title game/superbowl its a joke of a deal.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Are you really gonna miss drafting DHB’s, Gallery’s, McClain’s, Huff’s, Gibbson, Buchanon, Nap Harris, T. Brayton, F. Washington, Maronavich, and oh yeah JaFatty Russell for a couple years, in exchange for ready to go players? I’m not.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
MR is melting down because the Raider org lives on with A Trask at the wheel.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
There is a small window to get a Super Bowl caliber team. Our D has been a weakness but judging by the last two games they may not be the case. A lot of the top teams are giving up a lot of points but they can also put points on the board. I think we would have hit a wall with JC and in the case of Boller the wall hit him.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
UCLA Raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:05 am
… Every analyst is saying Raiders we just gutted by Cincy. I happen to agree with that view 100%.
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Every analyst said the same when we got Seymour from the Pats. They were wrong.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:10 am
ddwight Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Unless we get the Lombardi within 2 yrs, this is a garbage trade… Ya’ll
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We shall get the Lombardi.
Oaktown 45
KC 13
October 18th, 2011 at 11:11 am
MR, dont hate Amy because she isnt your cousin or because she doesn’t have a valve stem in her lower back.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:11 am
The trade is nit a done deal yet.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:11 am
RaydaSwagger Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:22 am
What’s Papa saying AIG?
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Sorry for being late. Idiotic people that I work with…..
First thing that came out of Papa came was JC missing all kinds of passes and we were never gonna go far with JC.
BTW, effin Priest is on 95.7 now. Dude sounds a little slow.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:13 am
coach Al Jackson <——cold hearted killer….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:13 am
then the injury just forced the issue and made us give up more.
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Agreed. Papa was hinting that AD was goign to wait for the offseason to get him for a 2nd or 3rd round.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Ok guys…a good point was brought up…
What IF this deal does not go through….????
October 18th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I heard some of you guy’s questioning Hue Jackson’s decision making as far the team goes. I just want you all to remember this, The Oakland Raiders were considered to be a joke till this guy showed up. I like the way he rolls the dice!!! it comes up as a win win for the Raider nation when he does.I dont know why no one is not talking about him as Coach of the Year!!
He has been dealt the most adversity in the league so far this year. The Passing of an Owner, the lost of a starting Qb and the balls two trade 2 #1 picks for another starter. Child please!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:14 am
J Hill Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:32 am
JC never lost back to back starts in Oakland…..NEVER
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Because the team around him was pretty damn good.
Decent QB.
Your boy Al Davis didn’t think he was the long term solution.
He’s hurt.
We are moving on
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Ultimately, this is what it boils down to.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:15 am
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Unless we get the Lombardi within 2 yrs, this is a garbage trade… Ya’ll
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How so? Would Campbell have gotten us a SB in two years?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:15 am
hwnrdr, can you copy and paste Kipers espn insider article on this? He seems to think its win-win
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Kerry Collins
Marques Tuiasosopo (1 game in 2005)
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Josh McCown
Daunte Culpepper
Jamarcus Russell
Charlie Frye
Bruce Gradkowski
Jason Campbell
… Kyle Boller?
When you find the oasis in the desert, you drink from it, even if your camel dies on the way there. Go Carson!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Given that injury…let me ask this…Would Al make that trade because of the hand he was dealt on Sunday?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
lookiehere, teams are not going to be able to stack the box against our running game anymore period.
rundmc is gonna go off.
palmer can diagnose / read a defense and audible unlike jason.
raids just entered the upper tier of the nfl…hello ravens, pats, steelers and pack. we can hang now…would have never been able to do this with jason (wish you luck man). truth!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
499.Mum-O-killowe Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
So do we trade Bush, or re-sign him?
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The Raiders needs to get on with either signing him or trading Bush.
I want him to stay.
And I sure as hell don’t want him to leave and we get no picks in return as happened with Aso.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:17 am
I just hope Palmer turns back into the old Carson Palmer since he had some time to get healthy by not playing for a while. Hopefully those 2 picks are worth it and if the 2nd round pick turns into a 1st that means we won a playoff game so that means we’re doing pretty good. The only thing is this team is going to get really old cuz thats gone be 3 straight years with no 1st round picks.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:17 am
How many more good years does McFadden have? I don’t think we can pretend that if we don’t get to the playoffs this year that he has 5 more years. Fact is we need to make the playoffs this year and get McFadden and present company playoff experience now. This team needed a good QB after Campbell went down. We got a Franchise QB for two potential first picks. We gave Jamarcuss Meatball for a first pick and we also got Gallery. Both of them were bust. this is a good move for a good franchise. I for one am happy. Go Raiders.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Kerry Collins
Marques Tuiasosopo (1 game in 2005)
Andrew Walter
Aaron Brooks
Josh McCown
Daunte Culpepper
Jamarcus Russell
Charlie Frye
Bruce Gradkowski
Jason Campbell
Carson Palmer
Had to finish this list. That old one didn’t look good
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am
England we’re getting at least a 3rd for Nnamdi leaving
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Bcz24…here ya go…
Just a few days ago, I was tweeting away on the topic of former first-round picks that ended up with the Raiders. I couldn’t believe all the names that were popping up: Rod Woodson, Jeff George, Lincoln Kennedy, Warren Sapp, Tyrone Wheatley, Regan Upshaw, Ronnie Lott, Jerry Rice, Jim Plunkett, Greg Bell, Brian Holloway, Mike Haynes, James Lofton, DeAngelo Hall, Mike Williams, Richard Seymour, Kyle Boller, Jarvis Moss, Javon Walker and Aaron Curry. I could go on — really. But so can the Raiders, apparently.
Time to add another one to the list.
Carson Palmer is the latest former jewel draft pick for one team that could land with the Raiders. My initial thought? The Bengals have landed a major draft haul and deserve a ton of credit, while the Raiders are better positioned to “go for it” than some give them credit for. And in both cases, it has a lot to do with the draft.
Raiders implications
Before you simply gasp at how empty this makes the Raiders’ 2012 draft appear, let’s remember that they deserve a lot of credit for creating draft flexibility by landing so many great value picks over the last few years. I noticed this trend last year, and my colleagues have also pointed it out recently. I often get Raiders fans riled up because I question the team’s sense of draft board value, but I always give Oakland credit for the talent it keeps finding late.
The last few drafts have netted plenty, and already this year they have guys like Denarius Moore, Stefen Wisniewski, DeMarcus Van Dyke and even Taiwan Jones getting major reps and playing key roles — and the Raiders didn’t have a first-round pick in April. When you’re building so much roster depth out of picks past the first round (with wins to go with it), you can be a little more flexible in taking a big shot on a guy like Palmer. Then consider the raw value debate. If you can make the deal, you assume you are going to be more competitive. More wins means a lower draft pick that you’re trading away. Don’t get me wrong, I hate seeing draft picks sent away. But frame this around the position involved here. Even if the Raiders stood pat and tried to survive with the quarterbacks they have now, they still wouldn’t have been in a position to pick one of the top QBs in next year’s draft.
Palmer is a guy they feel is still a major talent at quarterback. The combination of good drafting in recent years and the value proposition of getting a solid QB might have made this an easier call than some think. And lastly, don’t forget that Oakland should pick up several compensatory picks due to free-agent departures, so the cupboard isn’t totally bare for 2012.
Even if this appears to be based on desperation following the Jason Campbell injury, it’s still a trade idea that could have been considered. Factor in Palmer’s experience with Hue Jackson, something the Raiders clearly feel can make this an easier transition, and the trade looks aggressive, not merely desperate.
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Bengals implications
You have to give the Bengals serious credit here. Back at the draft I praised them with a high grade for seemingly addressing the pending concerns about Palmer by drafting A.J. Green and Andy Dalton in the first two rounds. Here we are months later, and not only are the Bengals off to a 4-2 start with both of those players grading out extremely well, they’ve now taken what was essentially a sunk asset and flipped it for a major draft haul.
Now you’re looking at a Bengals team with a lot of young talent, underrated continuity in its transition and a bounty of draft assets in the next two years. The trade as constructed sends Cincinnati a certain first-round pick in 2012 and either a first or second in 2013. The Bengals have essentially doubled their selections in the range where you expect to get your impact talent. Consider what they did with their first two picks this year and there’s plenty of reason to be excited in Cincinnati.
And just look at how the circumstances lined up. They see Campbell get hurt for a team with a coach who knows and respects Palmer, they had to have David Garrard turn down overtures from Oakland, and they had to have a team in the rare spot of being without a serious option at quarterback while in the midst of a push for the playoffs in a vulnerable division.
It just all worked out. Their patience was rewarded. And suddenly, fellow AFC North teams have to be looking at the young core Cincy has, plus the bounty of early picks over the next two years, and wonder if there might be a developing bully in the division. And that statement is no more odd than anything else that took place today.
Mel Kiper has been the premier name in NFL draft prospect evaluations for more than three decades. He started putting out his annual draft guides in 1978 and started contributing to ESPN as an analyst in 1984. For more from Mel, check out his annual draft publications or his home page. He can also be found on Twitter.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am
I would have given this bounty for Brady, Brees or even Romo but not a middle of pack 32 year old QB like Palmer.
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LMAO
2 1st rounders is suddenly a bounty?
Get a grip, people. Y’all are acting like DMac went with this
And give me Palmer over Romo any day of the week.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am
#544 Right on. Running backs tend to have a short shelf life.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am
If he wins I will address him as Mr. Palmer.
Lose and it will be JaCompton…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Can’t argue with the player at all. Bottom line, he’s better than the oter guys on our roster, including Jason (althouh I must say I was really warming up to him).
It’s an upgrade in terms of personnel.
Don’t know how you could be TOO mad at this.
The compensation to the Bengals was borderline outrageous, but they held all the chips.
No choice. JC done for the year (forget 6 weeks) and Hue threw Kyle under the bus. Essentially called him a disappointment as a 1st rounder.
This was a move to save the season, make no mistake.
Also, we had to cut someone fo Ndukwe and for Palmer.
So what two Raiders got the axe (or IRed)?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Before you simply gasp at how empty this makes the Raiders’ 2012 draft appear, let’s remember that they deserve a lot of credit for creating draft flexibility by landing so many great value picks over the last few years. I noticed this trend last year, and my colleagues have also pointed it out recently. I often get Raiders fans riled up because I question the team’s sense of draft board value, but I always give Oakland credit for the talent it keeps finding late.
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The combination of good drafting in recent years and the value proposition of getting a solid QB might have made this an easier call than some think. And lastly, don’t forget that Oakland should pick up several compensatory picks due to free-agent departures, so the cupboard isn’t totally bare for 2012.
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Read it, then read it again haters
October 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am
saladfingerz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
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You made a post yeserday, is this what you saw?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am
As much as I thought Carson was done the past few years now that he is a Raider I wish him the best and I hope he is back to the old him that was close to elite
October 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:09 am
The question becomes: Do you think those 2 picks produce players, the sum of which, are better than Palmer? Keep in mind there is no position more valuable/important than the QB.
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FINALLY someone gets it
This was a risk worth taking
October 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Just a side note. the new Jerry West autobiography was written by none other than Raider Hater
Tim Kawakami
October 18th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Ha ha. Melting down…ha ha. That’s just MB. He always gives me a hard time. Red Robin later, MB?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I love how “THIS IS A QB DRIVEN LEAGUE” is repeated everywhere ad nauseum until the Raiders go out and pay the going rate for one (see: the Cutler trade) and suddenly the experts are like “LOL RAIDERS DRAFT PICKS ARE MORE PRECIOUS THAN DIAMONDS”
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Bo, Compton’s like 90% Mexican now. Why do racists today use so many black references from the 1990s to make their jokes?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Hue Jack personally recruited Palmer at USC out of highschool. If anyone that knows Palmer, it’s him.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Palmer has a bum knee and his elbow is questionable. However the Raiders may have a good enough line to give him time, and receivers to get open deep.
It’s all about Carson’s health – is he too banged up to play at the highest level? We’ll see soon enough
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
What’s wrong with schtupping your cousin? I pose that question to Goldie7.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:23 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
499.Mum-O-killowe Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 10:59 am
So do we trade Bush, or re-sign him?
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The Raiders needs to get on with either signing him or trading Bush.
I want him to stay.
And I sure as hell don’t want him to leave and we get no picks in return as happened with Aso.
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Exactly E.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Compton is Carson’s trashy neighbor mr. No colors involved…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Man my boys out here in Ohio are laughing at this trade. They think the Bengals got a steal by geting our first and possible second.
They are calling us the same ol Raiders investing big money in has beens.
Carson was not the sam Carson Palmer last year for the Bengals.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Bush isn’t a huge piece anymore. If we can get a pick, trade him. He average 3 yards a carry and is a goaline runner. Taiwan, rock, reece, tonga, mcfadden … if bush can get us a pick, why not? cant keep everyone.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am
556.18yearsold18yearfan Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:18 am
England we’re getting at least a 3rd for Nnamdi leaving
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By default. A 3rd is nothing for a player like Aso.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:26 am
High-risk, high-reward play by Hue.
If Carson can get us to (say) 10-6 or 11-5, then it’s worth it.
If he can get us deep into the playoffs, then it’s REALLY worth it.
If neither of the above happens, Reggie McKenzie (or whoever the new GM is) will probably use this trade as an excuse to fire Hue a year down the road.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Player Cmp/Att Perct Yds YPA TD IN 20+ Rate TD/A IN/A
Palmer 362/586 61.8% 3970 6.8 26 20 45 82.4 4.4% 3.4%
C-Soup 194/329 59.0% 2387 7.3 13 8 29 84.2 4.0% 2.4%
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
First instinct this morning upon hearing the Carson news – I was upset. Very upset. I mean, I recently moved out to Cali from Louisville, KY, and unfortunately, the local team we got to see all the time was the Bengals. So unlike a lot of stat lovers and cats who read and listen to sportscasters, I watched Carson play entire games a lot. After the injury, this guy was pitiful, and I mean pitiful. And what made it worse was that he has the Favre factor with the media in that he could do no wrong, but I singlehandedly saw him find ways to lose numerous games with Cincy. He was just as big a problem with them losing as the other negative factors. HOWEVER to his defense, there were other negative factors. Him, TJ, Chad, hell, even the coach for that matter all wanted the organization to handle their team better. They failed to spend bucks and take risks when they had a crew to do so and it soured everyone. Chad wasn’t the same, Marvin wasn’t, and neither was Carson. I’m a fan of comeback stories so I’ll definitely be cheering for this one. Will he be Kurt Warner 2.0 at 32 years old? Doubt it, but if he comes close, I’ll be excited. He’s a Raider now, and like I do for any Raider, I’ll be cheering hard for the guy. At least for this year, he shouldn’t be asked to make us a super dynamic offense like he was asked in Cincy (even though they broke up his favorite WR pair, and failed to bring in what he wanted when he was ballin’). He’ll just be asked to manage the game and make a couple deep throws when necessary. If Hue Jack City believes, dammit I’m gonna believe too. Winning cures all, so my dislike for Carson will hopefully go away…Just WIN BABY
Rack ‘em
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
I’ve already heard him being called JaCarson Palmer. Can we please,,PLEASE,,stop with the Ja’s already? DaAAMn!! How about we call him,,,,,Carson Palmer. Agreed? Thanks!
Raiders-27 Chiefs-13
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:20 am
saladfingerz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:16 am
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You made a post yeserday, is this what you saw?
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There were other options on the table, apart from Palmer and Young…other disgruntled employees wanting out. But Palmer is and was our best option. A poor man’s Manning. Palmer is a coach’s qb. He can be the coach on the field Hujack is looking for. A massive upgrade over Campbell (loyal soldier to the end).
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Carson was not the sam Carson Palmer last year for the Bengals.
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Palmer’s 2010 stats:
16 starts, 82.4 rating, 61.8 completion%, 3970 yards, 26 TDs, 20 INTs
Other than the INTs, what’s not to like?
And how many of those INTs came when Palmer was trying to pass like crazy to win because the Bengals had the 27th ranked rushing attack.
Darren McFadden in a different animal.
Tell your boys to re-evaluate
October 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Raiders 2012 draft board….
1. Carson Palmer
2. Terelle Pryor
3. Aaron Curry
4. Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, Gallery, etc…
This looks like a pretty good draft to me.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
ESPN’s Clayton says it best:
Al Davis’ draft trade in 2010 for Campbell jump-started the franchise and got them to 8-8 last year, but the Raiders always think in terms of Super Bowls, not mediocrity. Once Campbell went down, the organization did Al proud and threw everything it had at acquiring the best quarterback available.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Palmer is a guy off the street this will never work out!
Hue knows this team is capable of a strong run this year and Boller would have negated any hopes of such.
Good job Hue!
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIDDDDDDEEEEERRRSSSSS!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Kirk Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Raiders 2012 draft board….
1. Carson Palmer
2. Terelle Pryor
3. Aaron Curry
4. Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, Gallery, etc…
This looks like a pretty good draft to me.
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YES.
Actually Aaron Curry in the SEVENTH.
HueJax is my man.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am
In fact, I’ll repeat that: I cannot overstate how important it is for Palmer and thus this trade that the Raiders have Darren McFadden for the defense to worry about.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Raiders 2012 draft board….
1. Carson Palmer
2. Terelle Pryor
3. Aaron Curry
4. Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, Gallery, etc…
This looks like a pretty good draft to me.
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1 franchise QB, a starting LB with lots of upside and a future franchise QB. That is so much better than the coin flip that is the draft.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am
“Man my boys out here in Ohio are laughing at this trade”
Just punch the retards in the face and tell them Raider Nation is here!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am
RaiderDuck ……. if carson can get us to 10-6/ 11-5 hes worth it? we coulda done that with Campbell. This is a superbowl run move. @ 1st round picks for a QB to help you go 10-6 is BS. AFC championship at minimum.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am
There were other options on the table, apart from Palmer and Young…other disgruntled employees wanting out. But Palmer is and was our best option. A poor man’s Manning. Palmer is a coach’s qb. He can be the coach on the field Hujack is looking for. A massive upgrade over Campbell (loyal soldier to the end).
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Was cutler 1 of them?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am
In fact, I’ll repeat that: I cannot overstate how important it is for Palmer and thus this trade that the Raiders have Darren McFadden for the defense to worry about.
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This plays big into this. Raiders needed to make a move while DMac is in his prime. Can’t afford to wait for future draft picks
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
588.SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:30 am
In fact, I’ll repeat that: I cannot overstate how important it is for Palmer and thus this trade that the Raiders have Darren McFadden for the defense to worry about.
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Agreed. DMAC and Palmer will help each other a lot. I’m all in….skeptical, justifiably so having watched a lot of Bengals games (sad to admit), but if Hue Jack City can make it work and play to the kid’s strengths and stress to him that we will beat the F#%k out of him if he throws those game ending picks he’s thrown in Cincy the past two years, well, I’ll be even more all in! Lol One Nation…he’s a Raider now…I’m behind him.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Just want to say thanks to Jason Campbell..been a fan and he got us where we are now..got us in a great position. No reason to hate. Raiders for life!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
First instinct this morning upon hearing the Carson news – I was upset. Very upset. I mean, I recently moved out to Cali from Louisville, KY, and unfortunately, the local team we got to see all the time was the Bengals. So unlike a lot of stat lovers and cats who read and listen to sportscasters, I watched Carson play entire games a lot. After the injury, this guy was pitiful, and I mean pitiful. And what made it worse was that he has the Favre factor with the media in that he could do no wrong, but I singlehandedly saw him find ways to lose numerous games with Cincy. He was just as big a problem with them losing as the other negative factors. HOWEVER to his defense, there were other negative factors. Him, TJ, Chad, hell, even the coach for that matter all wanted the organization to handle their team better. They failed to spend bucks and take risks when they had a crew to do so and it soured everyone. Chad wasn’t the same, Marvin wasn’t, and neither was Carson. I’m a fan of comeback stories so I’ll definitely be cheering for this one. Will he be Kurt Warner 2.0 at 32 years old? Doubt it, but if he comes close, I’ll be excited. He’s a Raider now, and like I do for any Raider, I’ll be cheering hard for the guy. At least for this year, he shouldn’t be asked to make us a super dynamic offense like he was asked in Cincy (even though they broke up his favorite WR pair, and failed to bring in what he wanted when he was ballin’). He’ll just be asked to manage the game and make a couple deep throws when necessary. If Hue Jack City believes, dammit I’m gonna believe too. Winning cures all, so my dislike for Carson will hopefully go away…Just WIN BABY
Rack ‘em
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Interesting reference to Kurt Warner. Warner was terrible for a stretch in the middle of his career with the Rams and Giants. Then he went out to AZ and had a renaissance and got them within a couple plays of a Super Bowl trophy.
Carson didn’t have quite the numbers of a Kurt Warner before, but I believe he’s several years younger than Warner was when he arrived in AZ and he wasn’t playing with those weapons in that “greatest show on turf” system either.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:33 am
aig-raiders Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Raiders 2012 draft board….
1. Carson Palmer
2. Terelle Pryor
3. Aaron Curry
4. Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, Gallery, etc…
This looks like a pretty good draft to me.
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1 franchise QB, a starting LB with lots of upside and a future franchise QB. That is so much better than the coin flip that is the draft.
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Sorry, we also got Jason Campbell in the 2012 draft.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I love how “THIS IS A QB DRIVEN LEAGUE” is repeated everywhere ad nauseum until the Raiders go out and pay the going rate for one (see: the Cutler trade) and suddenly the experts are like “LOL RAIDERS DRAFT PICKS ARE MORE PRECIOUS THAN DIAMONDS”
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Welcome to the Raider Nation.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
The new “pay to your play” policy will apply to Palmer too.
If this was 2 second rounders or a 1st and third, I could cut slack.
As I have held certain defensive stars to account, I expect that Hue expects Carson to be elite. Not middle of the road
October 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
The Big Banana Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
ESPN’s Clayton says it best:
Al Davis’ draft trade in 2010 for Campbell jump-started the franchise and got them to 8-8 last year, but the Raiders always think in terms of Super Bowls, not mediocrity. Once Campbell went down, the organization did Al proud and threw everything it had at acquiring the best quarterback available.
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I am down with it..I will support Coach Al Jackson…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:32 am
There were other options on the table, apart from Palmer and Young…other disgruntled employees wanting out. But Palmer is and was our best option. A poor man’s Manning. Palmer is a coach’s qb. He can be the coach on the field Hujack is looking for. A massive upgrade over Campbell (loyal soldier to the end).
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Was cutler 1 of them?
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No
October 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am
You think he can do it ?
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I don’t know if he can do it for 5 years, but I don’t see why not.
If the offense stays the same where we pound DMAC and Bush first and foremost, I think he can.
I’ve said all along that all this team needed with the weapons they have is a decent game manager. Palmer is certainly that and can hit that occasional deep ball we like to throw.
I agree that it was a steep price. But the more it sinks in, the more I really can’t find fault in it. I think we can certainly win the division with him at QB and it’s anyone’s ball game after that.
I like the move.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:36 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Carson was not the sam Carson Palmer last year for the Bengals.
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Palmer’s 2010 stats:
16 starts, 82.4 rating, 61.8 completion%, 3970 yards, 26 TDs, 20 INTs
Other than the INTs, what’s not to like?
And how many of those INTs came when Palmer was trying to pass like crazy to win because the Bengals had the 27th ranked rushing attack.
Darren McFadden in a different animal.
Tell your boys to re-evaluate
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Waaaaaaaaaay more weapons here in Oakland, than Cincy.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:37 am
If I’m a coach who is already seen as a successful offensive play caller and is building a reputation as a good head coach, what do I have to lose by going for Carson Palmer and giving up two 1st rounders?
So, say Palmer gets hurt and I am held responsible for giving up too much. Well, maybe I was never interested in proving I was GM material anyway–maybe I was never interested in being a GM, only a successful head coach.
Say Palmer plays just good or okay, not great…still, he’s better than Boller.
I’m a coach with no monetary investment in the Oakland Raiders, a coach with team that now has a void at the GM level, and I am going to do what any coach would do–give myself the best chance to win now.
If I find myself with a depleted team next year or the next because we can’t use the draft to improve ourselves, I can just move on to another team since I have proved that I can motivate players and I have proved I can call plays, can manage a staff, and I now have experience as a head coach.
If, on the other had, this trade turns out beautifully, well, I now have the evidence I need not only to show people I am a great head coach, but a head coach that ought to have a heck of a lot of power in personnel decision and who knows, one day when I no longer want to coach, I may be a GM
In other words, as a coach, what the heck did I have to lose with this trade? Nothing.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:37 am
What I like is the fact he can nail the deep throws….yea, sometimes they go to the opposing team (trust me when I say this – post knee injury Palmer will boggle your mind at times), but he’ll make the most out of our outside speed keeping the safeties back deep with respect for his gun.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:38 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:34 am
The new “pay to your play” policy will apply to Palmer too.
If this was 2 second rounders or a 1st and third, I could cut slack.
As I have held certain defensive stars to account, I expect that Hue expects Carson to be elite. Not middle of the road
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My Man SnB, how ya doing Bruh???
I agree 100%, his stats, play and wins need to be comparable to the top tier teams in the NFL….
I predicted 13-3 this year, he is going to need to get us to at least 12-4
October 18th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Everyone knows Palmers #’s declined after his injury but the facts are he had an aging Houzurmomma, a Chad Johnson that cared more about changing his name than winning and a sorry ass run game. Not to mention a vanilla HC in Lewis.
The time is now Nation!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
saladfingerz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am
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Anything else going to happen?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
TheC and SnB – Exactly…..Two first rounders means we’re thinking SuperBowl big. Spotlight is on us now. We didn’t have heavy expectations, and still might not have ‘em from the outsiders, but fans and the Nation will now expect big things. No less than an AFC Championship appearance is acceptable for 2 firsts.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Sorry, after a lot of research I had to redo this.
Raiders 2012 draft board….
Carson Palmer, Aaron Curry, Terelle Pryor, Jason Campbell, Taiwan Jones, Joseph Barksdale, and…
Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, and Gallery.
Plus, I think we still have our third, fifth, and sixth round pick.
This is a really impressive draft, if you ask me.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I’m sure Al will be smiling in heaven, when he see’s those long bombs completed to D-moe and DHB.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Pretty Rick Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:27 am
I’ve already heard him being called JaCarson Palmer. Can we please,,PLEASE,,stop with the Ja’s already? DaAAMn!! How about we call him,,,,,Carson Palmer. Agreed? Thanks!
Raiders-27 Chiefs-13
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BS alert! BS alert!! You did not hear anyo e call Palmer JaAnything!
That’s a lie… That’s a Lie… That’s a GD Lie… F. U You Bl @ck M. f er….
My best NWA voice.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:41 am
DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I’m sure Al will be smiling in heaven, when he see’s those long bombs completed to D-moe and DHB.
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What about JFORD mayne???
October 18th, 2011 at 11:41 am
The way I see it, 2 1’s and a 7 for Palmer and Curry are great trades. We just become way more dangerous.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Hey Kirk…we only now have a 5th and 6th in 2012…the 3rd was for Terrelle Pryor
October 18th, 2011 at 11:42 am
At least we won’t be seeing Pryor for another 3 years.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
saladfingerz Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:35 am
+++++++++++
Anything else going to happen?
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You neva know man.
But I guarantee lots of winning and gripping by other teams.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Yes, we overpaid.
No question about that.
We gave up one late first round pick too many in most folks opinion.
So what.
I’d trade a late first round pick for a shot a long term playoff success for a few years.
Beats the alternative of already planning for next year.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am
This is not high risk.
Our QB depth chart went as follows
1) Jason Campbell
2) Kyle Boller
3) Shane Lechler
There is no such thing as a risky move for a QB when these are your quarterbacks. ANYTHING will work. This is a lateral move, at worst. A rebirth of Plunkett/Gannon, at best.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am
SR Raider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Palmer has a bum knee and his elbow is questionable. However the Raiders may have a good enough line to give him time, and receivers to get open deep.
It’s all about Carson’s health – is he too banged up to play at the highest level? We’ll see soon enough
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It’s funny how everyone thinks Carson is hurt. That’s probably why he sat out. So he can stay tested and ready for the next team.
Us!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Was cutler 1 of them?
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Greg Papa said earlier AD didnt think highly of Cutler. Thought he benefited from the system. He did say AD like VY though.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:45 am
A doctor can fix a broken clavicle but sure as he!! cannot do anything for Jason’s broken dreams…
And that is your lowdown statement of the day.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Worth it IMO. Hue Jackson has ties to Carson in his good days. He is a better passer than Jason and this team doesn’t require much from a QB. Great work. A good QB is all this team needs to go places. After that it’s execution and growth of our team. Our receivers just get better.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I just hope Palmer turns back into the old Carson Palmer since he had some time to get healthy by not playing for a while. Hopefully those 2 picks are worth it and if the 2nd round pick turns into a 1st that means we won a playoff game so that means we’re doing pretty good. The only thing is this team is going to get really old cuz thats gone be 3 straight years with no 1st round picks.But DVD and Chekwa look like they will be good db’s plus Routte and Huff signed long term we just need to sign Branch and our secondary is fine so no draft picks need to be used on them. Our Wr corps is pretty good so no picks there we have one of the best Dl rotations in the league but they are getting old so we can use some of the mid rd picks on them. The Ol looks set. Our backfield is one of the best in the league with DMAC even if Bush leaves Jones looks good. That just leaves our Lb who if last week was any indication looks set with ROMAC stepping up an Curry turning his career around Wimbley just needs to step up. Our draft picks would have just been used for depth so as long as Carson turns out to be what Hue thinks he is the Raiders are good. SUPER BOWL BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Finally, an upgrade. No more fake punts & field goals very game. No more over thrown balls or at least less than 4 a game. I’m in.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Thanks hwnrdr.
Raiders 2012 draft board…………
Carson Palmer, Aaron Curry, Terelle Pryor, Jason Campbell, Taiwan Jones, Joseph Barksdale, and…
Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, and Gallery.
Plus, we still have our fifth and sixth round picks.
That’s a great draft right there.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
hopefully we keep JC as backup…then cut boller….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:41 am
DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I’m sure Al will be smiling in heaven, when he see’s those long bombs completed to D-moe and DHB.
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What about JFORD mayne???
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I love Ford, but I like him in the slot.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
At least we now know that Hue won’t fuch up our 2012 draft – since we have no 2012 draft.
This team still needs replenishment at LB and DL.
29th against the run last season. Still getting gouged.
Need the draft picks.
Nice effort to improve the team – gave up too much. WAY too much for this guy.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:47 am
Finally, an upgrade. No more fake punts & field goals very game.
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We still gonna do those when the game warrants it…
Coach Al Jackson is a poker player…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
No problem, Kirk…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I love Ford, but I like him in the slot.
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I think CP will say the same thing….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
And all those young guys will have a year of experience under their belt, versus who we would have drafted next year.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2011/writers/peter_king/10/18/week.6/index.html?sct=nfl_t11_a1
Nice article on SI
October 18th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Yup, puttin 2011 on the credit card, baby!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am
LA, cheer up. You’ll feel better when we’re winning.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am
I think JC is too expensive for backup and Pryor should slide into the backup role.
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# Thec07 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:46 am
hopefully we keep JC as backup…then cut boller….
October 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am
My question is how long is going to take Palmer to learn the playbook and gel w/ our WR’s?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
True but not in desperation when points are left on the field every game, Thec.
Will be fun to watch a fake punter in the first quarter against the Donkeys for a TD.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Way too much for a QB pushing 32. His knee was destroyed and he needed Tommy John surgery on his elbow but chose to just let it “heal”. He hasn’t played in 289 days. The Raiders are on the way up but to give up picks for the next two years? If they don’t make the AFC championship this year at least then this was a bust. What about Campbell next year? Call the police cuz the Raiders got robbed!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
2012 draft:
1. Carson Palmer
2. Joe Barksdale
2a. Taiwan Jones
3. Terrele Pryor
3a. _________
3b. ________
4. Jason Campbell
5. _________
6. _________
7. Aaron Curry
Not a bad draft, really, lol.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:50 am
LA, cheer up. You’ll feel better when we’re winning.
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Oh no, you misread me. I like it. See post 641.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Question to the NFL is…HOW TO DEFEND THE RAIDERS?????
October 18th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Yes, an upgrade, we knew the price would be steep. But I think we are getting a guy with a hunger to play and win. He is in a much better enviroment
October 18th, 2011 at 11:53 am
RaiderTW Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
True but not in desperation when points are left on the field every game, Thec.
Will be fun to watch a fake punter in the first quarter against the Donkeys for a TD.
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lol….right…
October 18th, 2011 at 11:53 am
from CNNSI’s Peter King:
“The level of compensation is stunning. I’d heard Marvin Lewis would have been thrilled to get a second-round pick for Palmer, both as fair compensation and to get the Palmer distraction off the franchise’s hands. But to get a solid first-round pick, plus the prospect of another first- from the Raiders in 2013, is the kind of trade that could certainly change the course of the two franchises…”
October 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Yet and still, as much as I LOVE the Raiders, we can’t ignore the past. If he shows any signs of being the quitter that he has deep inside of him (he needs to be shown the door). Regardless of what people want to say, Carson walked away from his team perfectly healthy (he was healthy, playing and still in his prime last year) because he was upset at how the org handled some things. Say what you want, but you don’t walk away from anything. No matter how bad things are. You finish the damn job. We ripped Moss for whining and quitting, and Carson did the same thing. He needs to be held 100% accountable, stand up when things go bad (which he never did when Cincy was failing), and not quit. I’m not asking for much, but I’m realistic. I hated Moss for quitting, so Carson better not. It’s a sign of weakness. Hue needs to beat that sh!t outta him….hell, John Henderson should smack the crap out of Carson before every game. As long as we toughen him up, things will be cool, and that’s what I’m hoping and crossing my fingers for….Just win Baby…Just win
October 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Oct. 17, 2011 9:49 p.m. – by Eric Gilmore – Tweet says Raiders sign Ndukwe
Former Cincinnati Bengals S Chinedum Ndukwe tweeted Monday that he signed with the Raiders. The Notre Dame product, who worked out for the Raiders on Monday morning, played the past four seasons for Cincinnati. The Raiders had yet to confirm the move as of early Monday evening. Raiders RapidReports
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a story thats gotten no press.
giordano gone? whos getting cut? ron parker?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:55 am
LA To TheBay Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
2012 draft:
1. Carson Palmer
2. Joe Barksdale
2a. Taiwan Jones
3. Terrele Pryor
3a. _________
3b. ________
4. Jason Campbell
5. _________
6. _________
7. Aaron Curry
Not a bad draft, really, lol.
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Exactly.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am
What about Campbell next year?
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Free agent. Hadn’t done enough to secure a long-term deal anyway. Now the Raiders won’t have to wonder, unless Campbell wants to come back as a backup to Palmer.
Unfortunately, this means the Raiders can’t bring in RGIII, Landry Jones, Morris Claiborne, or any other big name in the draft. But I think Hue didn’t feel like taking his chances on draft picks.
The Raiders have a young roster with a lot of productive players. The missing ingredient was a QB who could elevate the players around him. The Raiders want to win now. It’s not guaranteed that this roster will be together for the long-haul. They have to capitalize now because no team has a huge window. Can’t wait to win because tomorrow isn’t guaranteed.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Considering the fact that #1 draft picks only pan-out about 50% of the time…and turn into NFL stars even less than 50% of the time…this trade isn’t as questionable as some make it out to be. If Carson Palmer can play like a top-10 QB for 3-years, the trade will be worth it.
I think most of us agree: As long as Jason Campbell played mostly mistake-free (the proverbial “manage the game”), then the team had enough weapons (and creative coaching) to go places. Carson Palmer is a thinking man’s QB. He’s smart, talented, and has a very high football IQ.
Palmer made Hoosyermama a star, rather than an average, journeyman WR. He helped the talented Chad Johnson become a superstar. Not even Tom Brady can keep Chad’s star in orbit.
If Palmer stays healthy, I believe it WILL BE a great move by Hue Jax, Mark, Amy et al. But that will only be proven over the next year or two. It’s waaaay too early to say it’s either a success or failure at this point.
Palmer will have talent all around him here. If he’s healthy, he’ll be a Pro Bowl QB again.
October 18th, 2011 at 11:57 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
2012 draft:
1. Carson Palmer
2. Joe Barksdale
2a. Taiwan Jones
3. Terrele Pryor
3a. _________
3b. ________
4. Jason Campbell
5. _________
6. _________
7. Aaron Curry
Not a bad draft, really, lol.
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Nicely done. It really changes your perspective when you see it laid out this way. The 2012 draft may be the Raiders best draft ever!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Why are dudes trippin’ off the draft picks?
1. We have a fair amount of young solid players already
2. We can pick up players via free agency
3. look at the 2012 draft board, so far
4. Who wouldn’t want to come in and play for Hue?
October 18th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I think Chris Johnson will be cut this week, or IR
October 18th, 2011 at 11:59 am
RRRRRRRRRRRRRRRAAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRSSSSSS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Oct. 17, 2011 9:49 p.m. – by Eric Gilmore – Tweet says Raiders sign Ndukwe
Former Cincinnati Bengals S Chinedum Ndukwe tweeted Monday that he signed with the Raiders. The Notre Dame product, who worked out for the Raiders on Monday morning, played the past four seasons for Cincinnati. The Raiders had yet to confirm the move as of early Monday evening. Raiders RapidReports
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October 18th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Pryor – developmental QB
Palmer – veteran QB to lead team NOW
Campbell – would make a great backup if he chooses to resign
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Just read the SI article.
Wow, man. A person in the know says they might have taken just a second round pick for him. Instead, we gave them that second round pick, plus a first round pick, and the second round pick could upgrade to a first round pick.
Hue was so thrilled to get Palmer that he bestowed extra gifts upon Mike Brown. Un-fkn-believable.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Why are dudes trippin’ off the draft picks?
1. We have a fair amount of young solid players already
2. We can pick up players via free agency
3. look at the 2012 draft board, so far
4. Who wouldn’t want to come in and play for Hue?
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Good point. Winning attracts quality free agents.
So sorry, Aso, Miller, and Gallery.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
AND…the trade’s not official yet.
If we can really pull the trade for a #1, and a conditional #1 or #2, it will be much better than giving away a player like Mike Bush in the deal.
You know Cincy wants a boat-load for Palmer. We’ll be fortunate to give away only picks for him.
Re-sign Mike Bush. I worry about DMC’s health as much as I will worry about Palmer’s.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
As for Jerry’s last tweet about having to pay a heavy price for carrying a second string qb you don’t trust: come on, how many teams have a second string qb that they trust can take them to the playoffs?
The NFL’s greatest weakness is the paucity of quality qb’s. Part of it, of course, is that the 2nd stringers rarely get a chance to improve their skills as they take only a few reps in practice with quality guys around them and they have only spotty chances in game conditions.
It’s a shame that when you look at the number of teams in this league, you pretty much know only a small handful of teams have a chance each year to go to the playoffs, and a smaller few that have a chance of going all the way.
It’s become very much like baseball–too many teams that are really out of it before the season even begins, lots of teams that draw people to the games only the first month of the season..then empty seats.
I found it really sad that at last night’s game, there appeared to be more Jets than Dolphin fans. The Dolphins, one of the league’s proudest franchises at one time, without a qb, are reduced to nothing. With few exceptions (like teams with the D of the Ravens), the qb position is, for better or worse, that important.
The stronger all teams are, the stronger your league, no matter the sport. Maybe what NFL owners ought to do is foot the bill from part of their revenues for qb-development camps that are really live-in, almost military type training camps, schools really. The teams could decide which of their draft choices they want to sent to the camps; rules for when they could be called up would be developed.
Lots of kids in college don’t get to play with the big boys in the SEC or Pac 12 or whatever, yet they have talent and no way to develop it further. They may never be pegged by scouts as worth a draft pick since they do need development. Further, some teams have guys on their rosters that are known, but sitting on the bench, never getting a chance to develop.
At least baseball players in the minors get to develop. Football players whose college careers are over don’t. There are other football leagues, but I don’t think they operate with anything other than winning in mind, and that still doesn’t mean the kids who play qb get to study the game. I mean, really study the game.
The league needs more qb’s with a chance to develop and sitting on the bench doesn’t get it done. Also, it would help a lot of players who play such a position not to be hurried into a leadership role, a huge part of being a qb.
There’s got to be a way that the league can develop qbs, even if I haven’t the right idea. There are too many talented kids with potential languishing, their skills never developed, never discovered, too many teams with mediocre to poor qb play, and too many teams that are after-thoughts three weeks into the season.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:02 am
MB, let’s hit Al’s memorial. Then Jack London, grab some food. Couple of beers. Then we’ll hit a red box, watch some movies, chill out and order a pizza later, get another 6 pack!
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Then you and Ja-mista can head to the Castro for some real fun!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Mark Purdy: New Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer has a lot to prove
By Mark Purdy Mercury News Columnist
Posted: 10/18/2011 11:03:30 AM PDT
Updated: 10/18/2011 11:03:30 AM PDT
The Raiders had to do something. Carson Palmer turned out to be the something. Now we’ll find out if something was enough.
Because no matter what anyone says over the next few days, there’s no way we’ll know if this was even close to being a good deal until Palmer straps on his pads for the Raiders and — after a suitable period to shake off the rust — starts running the offense.
There are doubters. In Cincinnati, where Palmer played until last winter when he demanded a trade out of town, you will find plenty of people who say that the former USC quarterback and Heisman Trophy winner was done as an effective quarterback in 2008 after he suffered ligament and tendon damage to his throwing elbow.
Those same people will tell you that Palmer never won a playoff game — though he suffered a horrible knee injury early in the team’s loss to Pittsburgh after the 2005 season. They will tell you that Palmer was beat up (he also suffered a broken nose along the way) and used up.
Palmer, in other words, has much to prove. The Raiders are eager for him to do so after they lost starting quarterback Jason Campbell broke his collarbone last Sunday. Playing quarterback in the NFL is not for the faint-hearted. At age 31, Palmer obviously knows that as well as anyone. He also surely realizes that, just as he was probably the best option for the Raiders in this situation, the Raiders are probably his best option to show he’s still got some high-test
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gasoline in his arm.
The Raiders have an offense with plenty of weapons for a quarterback to utilize. Palmer doesn’t have to be a total hero and carry the team on his back. He just has to make the crucial plays when necessary. He should also find a comfort zone in his native California. Palmer is from Fresno and his wife is a Los Gatos native. This won’t be a culture clash for him.
Palmer has to be ecstatic, given the alternative. Bengals general manager Mike Brown had sworn he would never accede to Palmer’s trade demand — the team put him on its “retired” list — because it would lead to a parade of players who would think they could also ask out of Cincinnati. But as the Bengals prospered in the early weeks of this season with a 4-2 record, Brown waffled. And he finally folded when the Raiders offered up a first-round pick in 2012 and potentially another one in 2013 based on Palmer’s performance.
That’s a ton to give up for an NFL quarterback not named Brady or Brees or Rodgers. But the Raiders, after nearly a decade of missing the playoffs, did not want to send a message (especially to their own players) that they were giving up in 2011.
This is the best kind of sports story: Lots at stake and lots to watch over the next few months, with few clues to forecast the outcome.
Keep an eye on Palmer’s elbow. Beginning immediately, it’s the most fascinating elbow in Bay Area sports.
Contact Mark Purdy at mpurdy@mercurynews.com or 408-920-5092.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
HayesDaze, chairman of the Davis worshiping dooshbag board, is now endorsing Palmer. That settles it. The Nation’s in unison
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
666
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
The late rnd steals we have been getting makes this deal a lot easier to take. when you get a TPryor with a 3rd and Curry for 7th and a 4th those are IMO tremendous steals and you cannot win every deal.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
The exciting part is Hue working with Carson for the next 2 weeks With the bye. Creative play calling from here on out.
Stop the run.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Wow! You go away for the evening and return the next day and HuJack has done it again. AD trained him well. Getting Carson Palmer is BIG! We just went from a potential playoff team to a potential SB team – all in one move. The addition of the new safety Chinedum Ndukwe appears to be a good thing too. Just what we need – another big hitter. HuJack’s bully lives and is getting bigger, badder & meaner. I Love it!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Does anyone know anything about Carson’s attitude? I know nothing about him except that he refused to play on the team last year. Why was that? Because the team was bad?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Screw you, Seymour! MB’s going to kick your ass when he sees that. Don’t mess with my boy.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
I am not sure I beleive the offers of taking only a second rd pick….
We didnt have a second pick.
The offer would have started with, we will offer you our 2012 first….
October 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
You don’t tug on super man’s cape. You don’t spit in the wind. You don’t pull the mask of the old lone ranger and you don’t mess around with MB!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
One more time for the hard of hearing. We’re giving up two early “2nd-rounders.”
Our 1st round picks in 2012 & 2013 will be 25th to 32nd picks, not premium lower level players (1st thru 15th)…so stop it already…you hardheads.
On a side note, because of our coming emergence as a top team, watch all the new Raider fans start coming from out of the wood work. You know them well, they’re dischargers fans one year, the Jets the next, and so on and so forth.
Hey, you idiots. If you’re not a Raiders fans now, stay away…stay where you’re at or go elsewhere, we don’t need you and we don’t want you. Go suck on Brady’s bztt hole for a while.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
SeymourGlennDebo666, is the Castro your idea of fun? Is that what you’re into ? Leave that personal garbage off this blog pls.
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# Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Then you and Ja-mista can head to the Castro for some real fun!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Just read the SI article.
Wow, man. A person in the know says they might have taken just a second round pick for him. Instead, we gave them that second round pick, plus a first round pick, and the second round pick could upgrade to a first round pick.
Hue was so thrilled to get Palmer that he bestowed extra gifts upon Mike Brown. Un-fkn-believable.
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BS alert… BS alert…
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Yet and still, as much as I LOVE the Raiders, we can’t ignore the past. If he shows any signs of being the quitter that he has deep inside of him (he needs to be shown the door). Regardless of what people want to say, Carson walked away from his team perfectly healthy (he was healthy, playing and still in his prime last year) because he was upset at how the org handled some things. Say what you want, but you don’t walk away from anything. No matter how bad things are. You finish the damn job. We ripped Moss for whining and quitting, and Carson did the same thing. He needs to be held 100% accountable, stand up when things go bad (which he never did when Cincy was failing), and not quit. I’m not asking for much, but I’m realistic. I hated Moss for quitting, so Carson better not. It’s a sign of weakness. Hue needs to beat that sh!t outta him….hell, John Henderson should smack the crap out of Carson before every game. As long as we toughen him up, things will be cool, and that’s what I’m hoping and crossing my fingers for….Just win Baby…Just win
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In all fairness, Carson never gave up on his team while he was on the field, unlike Moss. He just didnt want to play for that organization. Thats his choice as a grown man. Hes coming here, to a fresh start, with an organization that he wants to play for, and a coach hes familiar with and for all we know, has been in communication with all off season, just on a personal level. Carson and Moss are nowhere near the same scenario.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
If this team can be “mostly” kept together for another year, the lack of draft picks won’t be fatal. I like the young core, and it seems like the last few years worth of late picks have panned out pretty good.
And now, AFTER THE FACT, we hear that A PERSON IN THE KNOW claims Palmer could have been had for a second. Anybody else picking up on any contradictions from all these “PEOPLE IN THE KNOW?”
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Joker94583 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Way too much for a QB pushing 32. His knee was destroyed and he needed Tommy John surgery on his elbow but chose to just let it “heal”. He hasn’t played in 289 days. The Raiders are on the way up but to give up picks for the next two years? If they don’t make the AFC championship this year at least then this was a bust. What about Campbell next year? Call the police cuz the Raiders got robbed!
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I remember back 2005 when ESPN/NFL network and football analysed were saying Drew Brees will never play another game after his (torn labrum on his throwing arm) injury….guess what???
HE WON A SUPER BOWL!!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
tj, you are right!
Can I bust you in the chops now ?
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# priesttj Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
The late rnd steals we have been getting makes this deal a lot easier to take. when you get a TPryor with a 3rd and Curry for 7th and a 4th those are IMO tremendous steals and you cannot win every deal.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Could this be some evidence they’ll throw him into the next game?
“On Tuesday morning, Shutdown Corner spoke with Travelle Gaines of Athletes Performance in Carson, Calif., where Palmer has been working out for months. As it turns out, Gaines — who also works with the Raiders in an advisory capacity — was the man the Raiders leaned on to find out what kind of football shape Palmer was in. “He looks great — he’s been throwing every day, and working with Ken O’Brien, the quarterbacks coach,” Gaines said. “He’s been throwing to his good buddy T.J. Houshmandzadeh(notes), working with Terrell Owens(notes) and Hank Baskett(notes). He looks great. I think he’ll be ready to go and step right in for the Raiders. He and Coach Jackson have worked together in the past, and they have a great relationship.”
October 18th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Just read the SI article.
Wow, man. A person in the know says they might have taken just a second round pick for him. Instead, we gave them that second round pick, plus a first round pick, and the second round pick could upgrade to a first round pick.
Hue was so thrilled to get Palmer that he bestowed extra gifts upon Mike Brown. Un-fkn-believable
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Read it again dude. Marv Lewis would take a 2, Marv Lewis also did NOT have the power to make the trade. Mike Brown was on record as REJECTING a first rounder for Palmer.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Ha ha! I told you MB was going to kick your ass! Get him MB!
MB, Red Robin later? I’ll try calling you again. Turn your phone on, dude! You and that phone!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
The Tooz – See my post #647 I’m willing as much as any other fan in Raider Nation to let the past be the past, but dude quit on that team. Regardless of how bad the situation; you don’t do that. Sign of character weakness. So I’m not excited or thrilled on that aspect if things get rough; how will he lead? But talent is talent, and I’m hoping his will prevail. He’ll have weapons, and a coach who knows him, so no excuses.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Tex — Read it again. Marvin Lewis might’ve been willing to take a 2nd…but Marvin Lewis doesn’t call the shots there.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Palmer is a California native, and the current environment in Oakland is nothing like Cincy last year. His attitude will be fine
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Upgrading the QB position with Pryor and Palmer is great.
I am tired of watching Campbell “manage the game.”
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Palmer will be fine in Oakland.
1. Has a great coach
2. Has a solid O-line
3. Has a pro bowl like RB to pound the rock
4. Has tons of weapons
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
We have to find a sucker to take L Murphy off our hands for a 5th or 6th or 7th round pick.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
We have to find a sucker to take L Murphy off our hands for a 5th or 6th or 7th round pick.
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Agreed.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Not buying they would have taken a 2… I am sure the offer started with Coach AJ saying we would give up our 2012 first round pick…
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
JohnDavidB – giving up is giving up though…I would’ve liked it if dude earned his chance back on the field with his own crew before we bailed him out, but it is what it is. I’ll be cheering hard as hell for the guy. I just know he never stood up and said “it was his fault”, not once after his team struggled and lost numerous games, and you would like a Qb/leader to do that, and then to walk away because of hating the org and threatening to retire is kinda wimpy in my eyes….again though, winning cures all, and all I want him to do here is Just Win. I’m not gonna ignore my morals and values on other topics though….not a Carson fan personally, but he’s a Raider. Gotta get behind him
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
We have to find a sucker to take L Murphy off our hands for a 5th or 6th or 7th round pick.
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That’s not going to happen.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Pryor can now sit, learn & perfect his skills under the tutelage of a legitimate elite QB. We are good at QB for the next 10-12 years – Outstanding!
Our fast WR’s will now have an opportunity to really shine. We should have a passing attack ability close to that of the GB Packers. San Diego must be schitting when they heard about Oakland’s newest additions.
HuJack said he’d try to improve the quality of our players at every opportunity. This man has proven that he’s both talk & action. HuJack delivers. Al Davis is smiling wherever he’s at.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
When I heard the news I was thinking we paid too much for Palmer but I have to wait and see how this improves this team. The draft is a crap shoot anyways, never forget Jablubber Walrus. Either way I hope this move changed us from a playoff team to a possible super bowl contender
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
We have to find a sucker to take L Murphy off our hands for a 5th or 6th or 7th round pick.
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Yes, agreed. That way it frees up the #18 so the Raiders can get Moss back.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Thanks SilverandBlackBleeder! I too am hopeful for a new attitude. He should be grateful that we wanted him this bad………………….
October 18th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
denarius moore, jacoby ford, DHB, Boss, chaz, will be leathal now.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
SeymourGlennDebo666, is the Castro your idea of fun? Is that what you’re into ? Leave that personal garbage off this blog pls.
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# Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
Then you and Ja-mista can head to the Castro for some real fun!!
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I know nothing about it. I just watch you take it up the azz all day every day in here, I figured you enjoy it.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
TheTooz – He should be “VERY GRATEFUL”…gotta earn everything you get in today’s day and age, and we bailed his a$$ out…hopefully he’ll repay us with a SuperBowl, and I’m sure he’ll give us his all knowing that!
Rack ‘em….
HUE JACK CITY
October 18th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
The second pick is 2013 isnt it?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
So Murph dog is now trade bait?
I can dig it.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
NoLuv, what happened with “pito”?
lol….
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
after the Raiders officially announce this trade, I will declare myself a Hue Jackson supporter, and not just because he’s the Raiders HC
It started with the win over NY Jets. A nasty defense that prides itself on stuffing the run and the Raiders ran it all over them regardless. We played our game. We didn’t get scared or go pass happy
Then there’s the Special Teams calls in back2back weeks. ballsy!
Hue went on the road a day after Al Davis passed against a Houston team that just ran all over Pittsburg and got the win
Followed by a home victory where Peyton Hillis was stuffed in the 1st half and injured in the 2nd half.
Traded almost nothing for Aaron Curry and he’s producing, despite 1 day of practice or whatever it was.
He honored AD by the things he said about him, the emotion he showed after the Huff interception and the way this team is playing right now.
Now he uses that Mike Brown connection to get us a franchise QB less than a week after Jason Campbell has a season ending injury pressed up against the trade deadline
Also had Napolean Kaufman out to practice (goes to his church) and isn’t shy about his faith.
Sorry that I didn’t go all in with you guys sooner. I’ll take whatever crow you fellas want to serve up.
extra crispy!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
JB Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Pryor can now sit, learn & perfect his skills under the tutelage of a legitimate elite QB. We are good at QB for the next 10-12 years – Outstanding!
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This is actually one of the best points of all of this. Pryor is NOT ready for prime time, and the Raiders (and fans) could have been forced to throw him in there before he is ready, which would have been the kiss of death. I am really not seeing any down side to this deal. Unless your name is Jason Campbell.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
MB, how about Red Robin later, then we get a 12 pack, a dozen eggs, look for Seymour Bush’s house.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Just read the SI article.
Wow, man. A person in the know says they might have taken just a second round pick for him. Instead, we gave them that second round pick, plus a first round pick, and the second round pick could upgrade to a first round pick.
Hue was so thrilled to get Palmer that he bestowed extra gifts upon Mike Brown. Un-fkn-believable.
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Marvin doesn’t hold the chips, Brown does. No way this happens for less than a 1 and an additional pick.
None.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
only team that would trade for murphy is rams, but if they gave a 6th for llyod they cant give up anything lower for murph. titans might be interested in murphy too.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Bcz, right on the money!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
MR, what made you decide to hop on my nuts today?
You Fk’n circus freak!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Hue Jackson help recruit Palmer to USC. .. hue Jackson was the RB coach at USC during during Palmer’s time at USC… Palmer won the Heisman at USC.. hue Jack coached the wide receivers in Cincinnati while Palmer was a Bengal. . Nobody knows Palmer better than hue Jack!! …. hey remember… trust in hue Jackson. . Or is That outta the question now!! ….besides hue Jack knows more about football than anyone here?? I loved that one..
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I could care less about what draft picks we have in 2012. We got Carson Palmer, baby!
5th & 6th rounders next year can be spent on the fastest guys left on the board, just to honor Al Davis.
If they aren’t football players and can’t be groomed?
no loss, really.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
How would you guys feel if we sent Murph across the water?
I know the Whiners been looking for a WR.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Trent Dilfer thinks it is a great fit for Carson. Trent is never wrong.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Ha ha ha! Circus freak. That’s MB for ya. Always harassing me. MB, answer your phone! Let’s get some beer and egg Seymour Bush’s house!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
Raider Nation-Station
BREAKING: RAIDERS GO “AL” IN FOR CARSON
Could be 2 first round DPs for the rocket arm QB…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
October 18th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
MR, whats wrong KK wont give you reach arounds no more ? Did his wife put his foot down ?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I would love that.
Package Murphy & Seymour and get some picks back!
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DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
How would you guys feel if we sent Murph across the water?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Fk Trent!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Steve Corkran: Raiders approached the Bengals. The Bengals asking price all along has been two first-rounders. Both teams got what they wanted.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Dilfer thinks Carson plays this weekend. wow
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
RRS, 703
Wow.
RRS crossed off the Rue the Day They Hated on Hue List.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Ray — Difference between Palmer’s and Brees’ arm problems…is that Brees had the surgery (a surgery that has proven to be very successful over the past two decades). Hopefully Palmer’s arm holds up.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
why are we looking to trade ANY wr’s?
we have Carson Palmer throwing to King Darrius, Moore, Ford, Schilens, Hagan & Murphy.
plus Kevin Boss and eventually Marcel Reece (FB)
give Palmer his full complement of weapons
PLAYOFFS ??!!??
October 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Dilfer thinks Carson plays this weekend. wow
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Me too, why wouldn’t he?
Realize QB is different than LB, but knowing Hue, I would figure him to start ASAP.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Dakota Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Dilfer thinks Carson plays this weekend. wow
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Fk Trent!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
# JB Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Pryor can now sit, learn & perfect his skills under the tutelage of a legitimate elite QB. We are good at QB for the next 10-12 years – Outstanding!
Our fast WR’s will now have an opportunity to really shine. We should have a passing attack ability close to that of the GB Packers. San Diego must be schitting when they heard about Oakland’s newest additions.
HuJack said he’d try to improve the quality of our players at every opportunity. This man has proven that he’s both talk & action. HuJack delivers. Al Davis is smiling wherever he’s at.
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Thats all fine and dandy. But I hate paying $1000 for a big Mac sandwich even though it satisfies my hunger.
The fans will now look at Palmer with huge expectations. Everytime he’ll throw an INT the boos could be heard.
His expectations = 2 1st round picks.
That’s higher expectations than one put on Russell!
You say draft is a gamble whereas Palmer is a known quantity, right? Go tell that to Ozzie Newsome of Ravens who knows how to draft properly and he’ll disagree and tell you draft is a science.
Right now I’m upset. If Palmer wins the superbowl I may feel better!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Wow!
That sums it up for me.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I would love that.
Package Murphy & Seymour and get some picks back!
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Seymour the leader of our team? you must have a mushy brain. Seymour is playing like he is 25.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Ha ha ha!!! KK giving me reach arounds. You’re killing me, MB. You’re killing me old buddy. Let’s get a 12 pack and egg Seymour Bush’s house!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
NFL networks reported Bengals, and Raiders use the same terminology on offense…
October 18th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Beat writer Steve Corkran expects Kyle Boller to start this week before giving way to Carson Palmer after the bye.
Others are speculating that the Raiders will get Palmer in there this Sunday, but that seems really fast. Even if Palmer is familiar with what the Raiders are currently running, he didn’t even participate in a training camp this year. Giving Palmer the bye week to get his body and mind up to speed makes the most sense. Boller, a third-string kind of talent, won’t be a fantasy option against the Chiefs.
Related: Carson Palmer
Source: Steve Corkran on Twitter
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Sources close to Palmer have been very skeptical the Bengals actually would trade him, though he has been working out regularly and throwing the ball to stay in shape – Jason La Canfora
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
And in classic Raider fashion, move is done early in the AM on players day off. Hue may not even address this until tomorrow.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I could care less about what draft picks we have in 2012. We got Carson Palmer, baby!
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Exactly!!! I am still in chock over this. I knew Mike Brown would cave. He had no ammo left. One thing none of you guys have talked about is this is a great message that the organization just sent to the players: that we all believe in you and we are all dedicated to winning this thing! Now!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Steve Corkran expects Kyle Boller to start this week before giving way to Carson Palmer after the bye
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me too!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
Why hasn’t the trade been made official yet?? It’s more than just the wording on the deal between the teams…Carson Palmer’s contract is a subject of discussion as well. We’ll be hearing about it being re-worked also.
Palmer can just say “no” still, and that would be that. Doubt he’d do that, but it’s possible. Anything’s possible at this point.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
The leader of your team doesn’t meltdown every year like clockwork. The leader of your team doesn’t go entire games invisible. You prob thought #21 was the bee’s knee’s too.
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raiderinparadise Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Seymour the leader of our team? you must have a mushy brain. Seymour is playing like he is 25
October 18th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
712.DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
How would you guys feel if we sent Murph across the water?
I know the Whiners been looking for a WR.
Sorry…ummm….no! Well, for some reason, they always seem to have like 3 picks in the 1st, and a couple seconds…hmmm…
October 18th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Boller, a third-string kind of talent, won’t be a fantasy option against the Chiefs
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LOL!
somebody pass this along to Jhill
October 18th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Have to start Palmer now.
2 reasons.
1) No point in starting Boller when he knows he’s not the man. He has no chance of winning the job, even if he throws for 400 yards and 5 TDs, considering we just traded two draft picks for the incoming QB. What kind of bar does that set for him? I’d rather have a QB that’s green to our offense yet motivated and jacked than one who knows our offense and has exactly nothing to gain.
2) Boller sucks.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Have to start Palmer now.
2 reasons.
1) No point in starting Boller when he knows he’s not the man. He has no chance of winning the job, even if he throws for 400 yards and 5 TDs, considering we just traded two draft picks for the incoming QB. What kind of bar does that set for him? I’d rather have a QB that’s green to our offense yet motivated and jacked than one who knows our offense and has exactly nothing to gain.
2) Boller sucks.
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LMAO.
Agreed.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
RRS.
Been locked out of Yahoo since week 2.
FFBL is on auto pilot. Pretty sure it’s about to crash and burn.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
LA to the Gay, dont encourage him, thanks in advance.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Beat writer Steve Corkran expects Kyle Boller to start this week before giving way to Carson Palmer after the bye.
Others are speculating that the Raiders will get Palmer in there this Sunday, but that seems really fast. Even if Palmer is familiar with what the Raiders are currently running, he didn’t even participate in a training camp this year. Giving Palmer the bye week to get his body and mind up to speed makes the most sense. Boller, a third-string kind of talent, won’t be a fantasy option against the Chiefs.
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The best thing you can do is get Palmer here and spend the next few days letting him work out moving his family cross country. Then see if you can get him ready in two weeks to start here against Dungver. The only thing I see sinking this entire thing is idiot Raider fan booing him the lst time he throws an incompletion, or God forbid, a pick.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Right now I’m upset. If Palmer wins the superbowl I may feel better!
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Good thing the Raiders organization doesnt give a rats ass how you feel.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
hwnrdr Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
712.DMAC Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
How would you guys feel if we sent Murph across the water?
I know the Whiners been looking for a WR.
Sorry…ummm….no! Well, for some reason, they always seem to have like 3 picks in the 1st, and a couple seconds…hmmm…
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True, but I think no one gives up more than a 5th-6th rounder.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The conditional pick in 2013 that the Bengals acquired in Tuesday’s Carson Palmer trade will be a first-rounder if the Raiders win one playoff game.
If the Raiders don’t get a playoff win, the 2013 pick will be a second-rounder. They get the 2012 first-round pick regardless. Either way, it’s an exceedingly high pricetag for a quarterback that was a shell of the Pro Bowl player he once was when last seen on the field. In 2010, Palmer threw 26 touchdowns against 20 interceptions and his arm strength was a major liability.
Related: Bengals
Source: Chris Mortensen on Twitter
October 18th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
after the Raiders officially announce this trade, I will declare myself a Hue Jackson supporter, and not just because he’s the Raiders HC
It started with the win over NY Jets. A nasty defense that prides itself on stuffing the run and the Raiders ran it all over them regardless. We played our game. We didn’t get scared or go pass happy
Then there’s the Special Teams calls in back2back weeks. ballsy!
Hue went on the road a day after Al Davis passed against a Houston team that just ran all over Pittsburg and got the win
Followed by a home victory where Peyton Hillis was stuffed in the 1st half and injured in the 2nd half.
Traded almost nothing for Aaron Curry and he’s producing, despite 1 day of practice or whatever it was.
He honored AD by the things he said about him, the emotion he showed after the Huff interception and the way this team is playing right now.
Now he uses that Mike Brown connection to get us a franchise QB less than a week after Jason Campbell has a season ending injury pressed up against the trade deadline
Also had Napolean Kaufman out to practice (goes to his church) and isn’t shy about his faith.
Sorry that I didn’t go all in with you guys sooner. I’ll take whatever crow you fellas want to serve up.
extra crispy!
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Yes RR eat that Crow. But we still love you. You are our Raider Brother, we know you love the Raiders. Al made a great hire and a great promotion.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Those of you not happy about this trade:
MARK DOESN’T CARE WHAT YOU THINK!!
(how’s it feel?)
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
584.Kirk Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Raiders 2012 draft board….
1. Carson Palmer
2. Terelle Pryor
3. Aaron Curry
4. Compensatory picks for Aso, Miller, Gallery, etc…
This looks like a pretty good draft to me.
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Great post 584!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
ok mistabrown, trade seymour. great idea. LoL. since anyone will take over his contract? you know nothing about how contracts carry over? idiot. who in the NFL owuld take over his contract?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Here’s to the Raiders making sure those 2 first round picks are the 32nd picks in their respective drafts…
Booya!!!! Raider Mother F@%kin’ Nation, Baby!!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
I made quite a bit of money off of Palmer in 05-06. That is one tough dude and he can be very accurate. He definitely did not look the same after the elbow injury, hopefully it just hadn’t totally healed at that point. This is the pro bowl caliber QB we’ve been needing for a long time!!
Stoked!
Go Raiders.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
How fast does Palmer get up to speed?
I hope he is rejuvenated. He looked raggedy at the end of his time in cincy. Again, difference maker is the expectation, not just another guy
October 18th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
The leader of your team doesn’t meltdown every year like clockwork. The leader of your team doesn’t go entire games invisible. You prob thought #21 was the bee’s knee’s too.
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Richard Seymour is the best DT in the league right now. He is playing much better than Ngata or Suh. Please just STFU. Every time you open your gob you not only embarrass yourself, but you embarrass your ancestors.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
LA to the Gay, dont encourage him, thanks in advance.
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MB, vote against your own self interest and pray that Rick Perry saves you from the evil brown-skins and please drink the entire pitcher of kool aid.
Thanks in advance, schmuck.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Hue does not want to wait any longer, he is serious about going for the whole ball of wax this year. However he should take some steps with other veterans to boost up our terrible defense. Release Giordano and Boyd and bring in Lito Sheppard and Sharper to boost up our secondary then we should have a much better chance of making a legit run at the SB this year.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Seymour is one of the top 5 best players on our roster. and a great leader, and someone who is an intergral part of our turn-around, and our best strength on the team (d-line).
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
How fast does Palmer get up to speed?
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We can get him ready in two weeks. Certainly won’t be perfect, but he can go out there. At least he has seen NFL defenses before.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
The Palmer trade is an all-in move. Nothing less than a playoff appearance would be a massive disappointment. This type of investment is all about winning a title this year or soon. Palmer should be the team’s starter, for better or worse, for a while.
Palmer’s history with Raiders coach Hue Jackson is one reason to think it will work. Palmer’s play the last few years is one reason to think it won’t work.
-PFT
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excuse me?
Palmer threw for 3970 yards and 26 TD’s in 2010. completed almost 62 % of his passes and had a QB Rating of 82.4 last year
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
In 2010, Palmer threw 26 touchdowns against 20 interceptions and his arm strength was a major liability.
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That’s exactly what I saw as well.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
I don’t care for next years draft? We have built up enough young talent, lacking in an accurate qb,who can throw some deep balls..now we possibly have it, don’t get to disappointed y’all until we see the results of the trade…we have Palmer, with Pryor as future… The best ground attack in the league, Taiwan to come,, wide out talent galore, young o,line menacing, dine speaks for itself, and young cb projects.oh and the best kicker,punter combo ..an hue jax.yeah were gonna be ok me thinks.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
not too mention we traded a 1st rounder for seymour, use him for 2.5 seasons and then trade him for a 3rd or 4th rounder? yeah great deal, once our team is playoff bound ditch him for apick we would use on a 4.3 cornerback. im glad mistabrown isn’t running our team.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Trade Louis Murphy??
Even for a 6th or 7th-rounder…Murph didn’t do us (or himself) any favors by short-arming that pass over the middle Sunday.
If Murphy wants playing time, here or anywhere else, he needs to show he’s willing and able to make plays like that.
With the minutes ticking down to the trade deadline, that single play is surely being looked at by any team even interested in him.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Numnuts,
He is not going to move his family in 3 days. He can do family krap in the offseason. Right now its Football time! You are a damn MEATHEAD!
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# Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The best thing you can do is get Palmer here and spend the next few days letting him work out moving his family cross country. Then see if you can get him ready in two weeks to start here against Dungver. The only thing I see sinking this entire thing is idiot Raider fan booing him the lst time he throws an incompletion, or God forbid, a pick.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Brahs, I had Carson over for a few pajama jammy jams at my penthouse over the Summer. Homeboy got wasted on skunk weed and ate an entire Togo’s footlong in the shower.
Then he started to make out with a canteloupe while Insane Clown Posse busted some jams in on the balcony.
Draft picks are for the weak. Franchise QBs are for those that party serious. Keep that in mind next time you buy tixs for a Slim Shady concert.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
He looked raggedy at the end of his time in cincy.
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Hey if you worked 9 years for Mike Brown you would look like you’d been on a 30 day crack binge too.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Seymour is one of the top 5 best players on our roster. and a great leader, and someone who is an intergral part of our turn-around, and our best strength on the team (d-line).
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Arguing with someone who doesn’t use logic in their arguments is futile. Take solace in that you are a well-adjusted, mental illness-free individual with a life of some sort.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Brahs, I had Carson over for a few pajama jammy jams at my penthouse over the Summer. Homeboy got wasted on skunk weed and ate an entire Togo’s footlong in the shower.
Then he started to make out with a canteloupe while Insane Clown Posse busted some jams in on the balcony.
Draft picks are for the weak. Franchise QBs are for those that party serious. Keep that in mind next time you buy tixs for a Slim Shady concert.
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LMAO
2 fk’n funny
October 18th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Palmer is a guy off the street this will never work out!
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Weak sauce. You know very well this isn’t a guy off the street. Not man enough to admit you were wrong for recommending the likes of Jeff Garcia, Brett Favre, and Jeff George? lol…
Good thing Hue and Al have this thing under control.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
SeyGlen the clown,
Why dont you show up at Hue’s presser and suggest Palmer spend the next 3 days moving his family instead of getting up to speed on our playbook.
I just wanna see him throw something at your face!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Later peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears! (Fire Tedford!)
Go Raiders!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
In his final game as a Bengal, Palmer was 32/45 71% completions with a TD against… oh just the Ravens defense.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Numnuts,
He is not going to move his family in 3 days. He can do family krap in the offseason. Right now its Football time! You are a damn MEATHEAD!
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# Seymour Bush Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
The best thing you can do is get Palmer here and spend the next few days letting him work out moving his family cross country.
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Do I not say, “WORK OUT” moving his family???? In other words, get movers, figure where the kids are going to school, find out where they are going to live or rent. Jesus you are stupid, and getting stupider in front of our eyes. Please take a remedial reading course. It can only help you reach 5th grade reading status.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
bcz24 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
In his final game as a Bengal, Palmer was 32/45 71% completions with a TD against… oh just the Ravens defense.
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sounds washed up to me.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
In case anyone’s interested, the NFL channel is providing continuous coverage of the Carson Palmer trade as well as other trades being made before 1p.m.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Oh you must have meant his second to last start as a Bengal, in week 16 last year… when he torched the NFLs best defense in SD for 269 and 4tds… yep, that was sure raggedy
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
You Dem tax takers occupiers can watch while the rest of us tax payers work to support you.
I wish I could watch TV right now!
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# TheToozFan55 Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:39 pm
In case anyone’s interested, the NFL channel is providing continuous coverage of the Carson Palmer trade as well as other trades being made before 1p.m.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Carson looked a lot better when Chad was not on the field.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Too bad Carson cant learn his playbook because he has to call movers and register his kids for class, right Oakglen?
lmfao
October 18th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Dodn’t he sell his Ohio home months ago anyway? Figured he’d be in CA.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
HMMMMM…
Tom Brady & Ryan Fitzpatrick both on a bye week.
options in FA are:
Christian Ponder vs Green Bay
Kyle Boller vs KC
John Beck @ Carolina
Matt Moore vs Denver
thoughts ???
October 18th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Next year’s QB Depth Chart?
1. Palmer
2. Campbell
3. Pryor
I’ll take it.
Side note: This move screams “AFC Championship Game”
October 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Carson looked a lot better when Chad was not on the field
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“Heyward-Bey is more talented now than #85 ever was”
-Palmer (twitter)
October 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Kyle Boller vs KC
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If I were Kyle (and actually allowed to start this game), I’d have a massive chip on my shoulder.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
782.RaiderRockstar Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
HMMMMM…
Tom Brady & Ryan Fitzpatrick both on a bye week.
options in FA are:
Christian Ponder vs Green Bay
Kyle Boller vs KC
John Beck @ Carolina
Matt Moore vs Denver
thoughts ???
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Ill trade ya Cassell for a freakin RB
October 18th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Next year’s QB Depth Chart?
1. Palmer
2. Campbell
3. Pryor
I’ll take it.
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more like
1. Palmer
2. Pryor
3. Boller
October 18th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RRS, is that a for real tweet?
And has Carson or Oakland said anything about this yet?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
You Dem tax takers occupiers can watch while the rest of us tax payers work to support you.
I wish I could watch TV right now!
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You could always go out on a limb, unplug from the matrix, and start your own business.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
LMAO @ J.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Ill trade ya Cassell for a freakin RB
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different league, bro
October 18th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Put me in the thrilled camp.
I think the trade was good for both teams.
Hue is going for it AL(L)!
And, I am lovin’ Mr. Jackson!
JUST WIN (NOW) BABY!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Too bad Carson cant learn his playbook because he has to call movers and register his kids for class, right Oakglen?
lmfao
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Remember when Seymour did not show up for days? Well, guess what he was doing while some of you were saying he wasn’t going to report. What a moron. Please just STFU you are embarrassing your ancestors in the grave with your stupidity.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
788.LA to TheBay Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
RRS, is that a for real tweet?
And has Carson or Oakland said anything about this yet?
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Kam Wimbley just said on Twitter that he just talked to Palmer at the Raiders facility. Just said he is excited he is here.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
RaidersMom Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
Put me in the thrilled camp.
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Come on in!!! Weathers fine!!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
You Dem tax takers occupiers can watch while the rest of us tax payers work to support you.
I wish I could watch TV right now!
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BrownStains, what kind of work do you do?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I love it, 24 hr Raiders.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
oh almost forgot Boller=Pito
October 18th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Bush will be traded for a first rounder next year.
You heard it here first!
Heeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeereeee’s…..Carson!!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Raiders 31
Queefs 6
October 18th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
There is no downside for Hue in this trade. If Palmer takes the Raiders back to glory
he’s golden. If he flops Hue is still an attractive hire based on what he has already
done here.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Carson Palmer’s contract, per Roto
2011: $11.5 million ($7.44 mil by Oakland)
2012: $11.5 million
2013: $13 million
2014: $14 million
October 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
I hear Boller is pissed off… he says he’s going to retire.. unless he gets traded!!…. Maybe cincy will give us a #1 pick for him!! Lmao!!..
October 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
During Monday’s Raiders-Bengals edition of PFT Live, FOX’s Jay Glazer said that the Bengals get a second first-round pick if the Raiders win a playoff game in 2011. Otherwise, the Bengals get a first-round pick in 2012 and a second-round pick in 2013. ESPN’s Chris Mortensen also has reported these basic terms.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
RedneckRaider Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Next year’s QB Depth Chart?
1. Palmer
2. Campbell
3. Pryor
I’ll take it.
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Unfortunately, I think Campbell is the odd guy out here.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
back 2 work – later gents!
October 18th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
1. With the new CBA implementing a real rookie wage scale, first-round picks are worth more than they were before 2011, especially in the upper reaches of the round. Teams can now acquire blue-chip talent at far lower pay, squatting on them for at least five years. At a time when not many players have been yielding first-round picks via trade, the possibility that the Raiders will give up two of them for Palmer is stunning.
October 18th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
3 mins to the deadline still no palmer
October 18th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
If he’s BrownStains then does that make MR ….or ahh….Sullivan WhiteStains?
October 18th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
2. Even if Palmer stinks and the Raiders otherwise make it to the postseason and win one game, the compensation becomes two first-rounders. It’s unknown whether the Raiders pressed for a trigger based on Palmer’s performance, but given the way he played last year, it would have made sense to get such protection.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Jr… if that’s true.. raiders have 1 minute to that…. oh nexver mind….. its 1:00 pm… bush not traded!!, LOL..
October 18th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
You Dem tax takers occupiers can watch while the rest of us tax payers work to support you.
I wish I could watch TV right now!
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BrownStains, what kind of work do you do?
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And remember stumbling around shi**ing and pissing in someone’s doorway is not work.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
So…MB can’t watch TV in the daytime, but he can put in countless hours online, hammering away on other people, while his boss thinks he’s actually working?
Sounds like a…
HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT HYPOCRITE ALERT
October 18th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
KK — At least cite the source when copying someone else’s work.
Thank you
October 18th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
MistaBrown! Yes, I just retired in April after 31 years for the Feds………………………
i suspect you work for the Feds as well since you get to sit at your desk all day blogging here…………..
Don’t be a hater!
October 18th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Quotes from an interesting article…..
Only one problem: He hasn’t played in over nine months. He’s not in football shape, and, frankly, I don’t know what kind of shape he’s in, period. Plus, he’s stepping into an unfamiliar scene. It’s not as if he’s returning to the Cincinnati Bengals after missing half a season. He’s going somewhere he hasn’t been.
“I understand,” said a league source, “but he’s 1,000 times better than the quarterback they have, and every time he goes out to practice they’re going to know it.
“Plus, he’s a helluva guy, and he’s going to be so energized to be there it will carry over to the rest of the club. They’re going to know that they have themselves more than just a quarterback; they have themselves a leader.
“And he’s going to look like a Raider. He’s bigger than everyone, he’s stronger than everyone and he throws the ball farther than everyone. That’s a Raider.”
The conditioning will be a factor. It always is. I remember talking to Detroit’s Jim Schwartz this summer when he said the biggest hurdle that players who went through the lockout had to overcome was learning the difference between being “in shape” and being “in football shape.” They don’t understand, he said, until they engage in contact and go through drills.
In Palmer’s case, it may be when he takes a snap in a game.
“But this guy is a workout freak,” said our AFC coach. “I understand he will have to get himself into ‘football shape,’ but he’s not going to have to lose 15 pounds. He’s going to come to the Raiders ready to play.”
His point about relying on his running backs is a good one. Oakland is the league’s second-ranked rushing offense, and they’re physical up front — grinding down opponents while Darren McFadden and Michael Bush run over, around and through them. In its second defeat of San Diego last year, the Raiders ran 52 times for a season-high 251 yards, with quarterback Jason Campbell asked to throw only 16 times.
Carson Palmer can do that.
“Carson Palmer is the real deal,” said an AFC offensive coordinator. “I know the Raiders paid a high price for him, but people don’t know how good he is … or can be … because there was so much going on in Cincinnati.
“Believe it or not, I think there will be an order and discipline here that will benefit him. Yeah, I know his numbers lately weren’t that good in Cincinnati, but there was a lot going on there that isn’t in Oakland.”
Now there’s plenty going on in Oakland, and Carson Palmer is in the middle of it. There’s no question his addition makes the Raiders better. What we don’t know is how much.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
So the alternative to making this trade would have been to go with Boller for the rest of the year, and maybe Pryor if Boller couldn’t win.
What would the ceiling of expectations be if we did that?
I would say POSSIBLY getting a wild card, but most likely seeing what we had in Pryor before the next draft.
1st rd pick next year would have been no higher than 15 or so, imo. Don’t think we get a decent QB prospect that would be better than Boller or Campbell at 15 in next year’s draft.
We are a better team with Carson Palmer than we were with Jason Campbell. That’s the bottom line here to me. I don’t care about the extra 1st rd pick that we gave up in 2013. 2011 and 2012 are going to be VERY good years for us.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
That’s what I keep telling people who are so upset about the draft picks. We just stole AC and Pryor this was a move that had to be made. I know it’s a steep price I remember when we got Plunkett he was a shell of himself and we let him heal and put him in a greta situation and he won 2 Super Bowls as you saw with Curry a fesh start can sometimes renew a players spirits.
If Carson Palmer can regain 80% of his ability, we had to make this move………….period
October 18th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Yesterday i was adamant that we should not give a 1st round pick for Palmer. Now I’m EXCITED!!!! NFL channel says they’d be surprised if he doesn’t start Sunday against the chiefs!
Oakland – 27
Chiefs – 10
October 18th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Blastoff!
October 18th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Like this trade …. Listened to TJ Houz talk about the zip in Palmers throws…
October 18th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
The guy on NFLN just said he firmly believes CP will start vs. KC. That’s the 2nd guy that I have heard say that. They are showing CP in a black shirt with a Raiders hat on! He looks awesome and very very happy! He was signing his contract.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
This is immediately a much different team it may take him a month to start getting on the same page with our rec’s but then it should start to click. They’re saying he will start on Sunday vs the Chiefs. That is crazy stupid I just don’t understand how Hue is going to pull this off but from what everyone is saying Carson will be the starting QB immediately.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Lombardi just said he “took a significant pay cut” to come play for Oakland (in the $3m range)
October 18th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Well, priest, i think he’ll be as good as Boller? Besides, he does have 4 full days to practice……he doesn’t necessarily have to throw long bombs down the field. Just dink and dunk and hand off the ball.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Among those traded for 2 first round picks. Keyshawn Johnson and Joey Galloway. LOLOL, this has to be better than those 2 trades.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
In Cincy’s presser they were quoted as saying they got a 1st and a 2nd rounder (Per NFLN Lombardi) Raiders yet to have presser. CP signed the contract in the HOF room which Lombardi said was where Al had pictures of all his players that made it there.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I am “NOT” concerned about this move. Hue has done due diligence and has shown that he can make good personnel decisions. If he could’ve picked his own DC I would be 100% certain RAIDERS would be a SB contender. AC was a brilliant move. Use him in obvious running situations and out on passing downs until he gets better. JC is good, but he is not very accurate on long throws. CP will defnitely do better and he can pull off the primary receiver whereas JKC throws it to the Primary receiver whether he’s covered or not.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
REPOST:
96.RaydaSwagger Says:
October 18th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Hue Jackson is not mortgaging the future. The future is here and now for the next 5 years. If Carson Palmer gives us 2 good years he is well worth the first round pick. By the time Palmer’s contract expires Tyrelle Pryor will have had enough understudy time and will be ready to take over with the Raiders never missing a beat.
The Oakland Raiders have enough young talent to last the next 3 drafts. What they need at this point is a good balance of veteran leadership.
In addition, if Pryor is not ready as an NFL Quarterback that gives the Raiders enough time to access that situation and begin to develop another Quarterback all the while contending for a super bowl.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I think the Raiders could still beat the Chefs with Boller … Tough game?.. Yep, Afc west games are always tuff….
Im still expecting Boller to start Sunday…. But wouldn’t be suprised if Hue did start Palmer
…Hue doesn’t seem to let the grass grow under his feet…the coach makes moves …
October 18th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-02-09/carson-palmer-to-put-house-up-for-sale
His family has already been here. There will be no moving involved. They only moving that will be involved will be him moving his gear into his locker.
October 18th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
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October 18th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Raiders presser scheduled for 4PM PT. ~Per NFLN
October 18th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
New post, people!
October 18th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Numbers lie all the time. Look at the N.E. game, for example (Payback is a gonna be-och). When analyzing Palmer’s numbers you have to consider the circumstances under which he had to operate. He is going to have some time to operate in this pocket. And every target he tosses to will be able to catch the ball. Handing it to Bush or DMAC are his other options. How can you loose? Even it is true that Palmer is about the same caliber as JC (poor JC, instant QB controversy again!!): that is better than putting all are eggs in Boller’s basket!
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