Jackson sending message to players
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, October 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Hue Jackson wants his players to understand that they are here to win a Super Bowl title, period. And nothing is going to prevent Jackson from doing whatever it takes to make sure the team keeps moving toward that goal.
Trading for linebacker Aaron Curry and Carson Palmer, inserting Curry into the starting lineup and benching Quentin Groves and sacking Jerome Boyd should be taken as not-so-subtle reminders.
“What do you think?” Jackson said, when asked if he was sending a message. “No doubt. I told them, I am going to do everything I can -– the organization has backed me -– to give this team the best opportunity to win football games, and that’s all you can ask for.
“As a head coach, when you have ownership, Mark Davis, Amy Trask and the rest of this organization stand behind you and say, ‘Hey, look, whatever we think it takes to win, that’s what we’re going to do,’ and that’s what we’re doing. The players appreciate that because it gets no better than that. You come to work everyday knowing that you’re fighting for something. And we’re fighting for a championship.”
Players also are fighting for starting jobs, playing time and roster spots.
Campbell has been supplanted by Palmer, Groves now is a special-teams player and Boyd is looking for a new employer.
Veteran defensive tackle Richard Seymour said he and others understand how things work around here.
“This is a production business,” Seymour said. “Our job is to go out and produce and get better as a team, and we’re always evaluated year in and year out, from game to game. And the best players are going to play. And that’s what we’re always told, so I’m trying to do everything I can to make sure my job is safe.”
Making such bold moves has the players fired up, as well.
“It means we’re going for it, man,” strong safety Tyvon Branch said. “That shows the confidence they have in this team. When you get a team like this, you don’t want the opportunity to slip away.”
PALMER IMPRESSES IN DEBUT
Palmer practiced with his new teammates for the first time Wednesday. He said it’s going to take some time to shake off the rust, but his teammates already like what they see.
“He looked great,” wide receiver Chaz Schilens said. “That’s all there is to it, man.”
Palmer said it was nice being in an NFL setting again after spending the past nine months or so finding creative ways to stay in shape.
“Definitely rusty,” Palmer said. “Good to be back in it but definitely have some rust to wear off. I haven’t thrown to NFL receivers in awhile. Whether it’s been high school kids or my brother, I have had one NFL guy to throw to in T.J. Houshmandzadeh but, other than that, I haven’t thrown to guys that can run like this and lots of guys that can run like this in seven-on-seven situations and team situations, things like that.”
Receiver Jacoby Ford said it would be difficult for Palmer to start this Sunday. Even so, it’s only a matter of time before Palmer and the receivers are in synch.
“He looked good,” Ford said. “It’s just a matter of the timing. He has to get that down and get used to the offense and new receivers. Whenever we can do that, we’ll be clicking on all cylinders.”
Jackson dismissed reports about Palmer starting against the Chiefs on Sunday.
“You hear it come from me?” Jackson said. “It didn’t come from anybody over here. I know I never said that.”
Jackson said he will wait until Friday night before he determines whether Palmer is far enough along to start. Palmer hasn’t played in a game of any kind since Jan. 2.
Receiver Derek Hagan, perhaps, is best qualified to pass judgment on the status of Palmer, given they spent some time together during the lockout.
“Carson looked great,” Hagan said. “Obviously, the same Carson I’ve been working with throughout the summer. We had a few throwing sessions out in L.A. He looks the same. He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
BOLLER TAKES PALMER ADDITION IN STRIDE
Kyle Boller handled the trade for Palmer in a classy manner, as expected. He and Palmer are long-time friends who played against each other in college and entered the NFL the same season.
“That’s football,” Boller said. “Obviously, Carson’s a great player. He’s a guy that’s proven himself. All I can do is what I can control. And that’s come to work and be the best player that I can be. Like I said, I’m glad to have him. He’s a
great player, and you want to get as many great guys on the team as you can.”
Jackson said Boller took the news the way he expected.
“He’s awesome, he’s a pro,” Jackson said.
Not that Jackson cares.
“Honestly, I don’t worry about that, because my players exactly why I’m doing what I’m doing,” Jackson said. “I don’t mince for words, I don’t pull any punches. I’m not sliding a guy in when nobody knows. It is what it is. It’s about the team. It’s about the winning. It’s about being the best we can be and I don’t think anybody runs from it.”
SURGERY FOR SHAUGHNESSY
The Raiders placed defensive end Matt Shaughnessy on the injured-reserve list Wednesday morning because Shaughnessy’s shoulder wasn’t healing as hoped.
The next step is surgery. Jackson said Shaughnessy will have shoulder surgery in the near future. Shaughnessy suffered the injury against the Jets on Sept. 25.
“We went as far as we could go until we had to make that decision,” Jackson said. “It just wasn’t getting any better. We lost a really good football player. We’ll continue and we’ll rally up. Next man up. The next man’s been up for a few weeks.”
That next man up is Desmond Bryant, who has started the past two games. Jarvis Moss and Trevor Scott also are getting added playing time in Shaughnessy’s absence.
Fellow end Trevor Scott missed the tail end of last season because of a torn knee ligament. He said it’s easy to sympathize with what Shaughnessy is going through these days.
“The biggest thing is to stay as positive as you can,” Scott said. “It’s a crappy situation, but it is part of the game, it does happen, and he’s just got to look forward to getting a great rehab and coming back strong.”
QUOTE OF THE DAY
“I thought we were going to get (David) Garrard, but we got Palmer, so, hey, man, can’t do nothing but be happy.” — Raiders defensive tackle Tommy Kelly on what he thought of the Palmer trade
INJURED PLAYERS UPDATE
Here’s coach Jackson’s rundown of the injured players from practice today:
“Satele limited; Cartwright DNP; Reece DNP; Gordon limited; Myers full; Jason Campbell DNP; McClain DNP; Chekwa DNP; Huff limited; Johnson DNP; so, again we’ve got some medical things that we’ve got to continue to take care.”
SYMPATHY FOR CAMPBELL
Campbell still is recovering from surgery Monday to repair his broken right collarbone. He might not be around the facility right now but he isn’t forgotten by his teammates.
“Sheez, man, I feel so bad,” right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes said. “I feel terrible for that kid. He’s had some tough years in Washington, he finally came in here last year, him and Hue got to jell together, they had a great year last year, and he looked like he was going to have a pretty good season this year.
“He was throwing the ball excellent, having a Pro Bowl-caliber year. I can only think about one or two mistakes that the guy made in eight weeks. So, he was playing lights out ball. You hate to see anyone get hurt but especially a guy that’s a good guy. He just comes in and does his work. He’s been patiently waiting. I feel real bad for the kid, man.”
Seymour called Campbell’s injury against the Cleveland Browns on Sunday unfortunate.
“We all have a lot of respect for Jason, in terms of what he brought to the table and being a leader and getting guys together in the offseason and being on the same page and going out and playing well for us,” Seymour said. “But other guys have to, since he’s down now and not here, someone has to step up in his position and take on that responsibility.”
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October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
#1
October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
ohioraider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
I want to see Palmer take on the fiery demeanor of Gannon. Calling out teammates for mistakes. Effning taking charge. I loved that.
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That’s not really Carson. He has more of that So Cal cool in him. Just make plays.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Palmer is going to piss allover the KC Chiefs.
The end
October 19th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
NICE!
October 19th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Hue using this to get his players focused and hungry.
October 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
yo
October 19th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
“Im just a fan HU knows better than i do, even if i disagree, or think we could have gone another way. i didnt always agree with davis either, but I love when my team wins.”
Nice post Mystic1 I agree 100%
October 19th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Mistic1 you are going to have to trust Hue on this he has known Palmer since High school he would not make this move unless he was sure it would help the team.
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I am on board. I do trust Hu jack.
If Jc had stayed healthy he would still be here but he got hurt, it isnt the first time a guy lost his job to injury. There is no loyalty in sports, all athletes know this going in.
Hu jack is a very good evaluator of talent, so not only did he fill our void, post injury but he has the guy he wants for his offense, there bye putting his stamp on the team.
Im just a fan HU knows better than i do, even if i disagree, or think we could have gone another way. i didnt always agree with davis either, but I love when my team wins.
I see carson as a guy that can be at least on par with Jc it isnt like we are taking a step back like last year with grads. He throws more picks, but he throws more tds too. He isnt mobile but when his jersey is clean he can be really good at times. What we lose is the leadership, and chemistry.
I am willing to wait and see if palmer can grow into a leader, there is no doubt about his ability to throw the ball
October 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
470.Twocents Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Where is the Super Bowl this year? Anybody….
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Kell’s wife,Jackie, sports the Super Bowl cut…..the football game is in Indy
October 19th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Mistic1 you are going to have to trust Hue on this he has known Palmer since High school he would not make this move unless he was sure it would help the team.
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I am on board. I do trust Hu jack.
If Jc had stayed healthy he would still be here but he got hurt, it isnt the first time a guy lost his job to injury. There is no loyalty in sports, all athletes know this going in.
Hu jack is a very good evaluator of talent, so not only did he fill our void, post injury but he has the guy he wants for his offense, there bye putting his stamp on the team.
Im just a fan HU knows better than i do, even if i disagree, or think we could have gone another way. i didnt always agree with davis either, but I love when my team wins.
I see carson as a guy that can be at least on par with Jc it isnt like we are taking a step back like last year with grads. He throws more picks, but he throws more tds too. He isnt mobile but when his jersey is clean he can be really good at times. What we lose is the leadership, and chemistry.
I am willing to wait and see if palmer can grow into a leader, there is no
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In the corporate world there is never any loyalty
October 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
So 666….a hermaphrodite at your job thought Kell was handsome?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
If Palmer can put the ball downfield where that receiver has a shot at it and make throws to the sideline without forcing the receiver out of bounds to catch it, he’ll be a big improvement.
Campbell isn’t good down the field and doesn’t have a sideline pass that’s catchable.
Maybe the playbook can be opened up a little in the passing game. Campbell never seemed to look in more than one direction before going to his check-down.
Not trying to beat on Campbell, just haven’t been very impressed.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
In the corporate world there is never any loyalty
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True but you know Coach Davis is loyal and gotta give the team it’s best chance to win
October 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
I want to see an end to a fifty yard reception that can only be made out of bounds. Carson’s accuracy will be a welcome addition in the Vertical game.
The running game will benefit from Palmer’s presence in the pocket. The O line’s near flawless performance last week needs to be a consistent element game in and game out…zero penalties is great, now keep Palmer clean and let #3 re-establish his place as an elite NFL QB
The possibility of a nice run of victories is in front of the Raiders perhaps 10-2 before the GB game!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
317.KoolKell Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Fk B, he don’t own this blog. He may bully you little pootbutts, no me.
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I’ve been bullying you since 08 when you wouldnt show up in San Leandro…i’ve clowned and even out talked you on other topics becuz I’m naturally smarter than you
October 19th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Hue using this to get his players focused and hungry.
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Yep.
Trades, demotions, and cuts send a clear signal.
Whatever needs to be done to win, will be done.
This is as it should be.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
Plus, he was apparently vetted pretty well by a conditioning guy that consults for the Raiders.
Last thing we need is a Javon Walker type scenario. And this would be worse considering its not just money but two #1s.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
“So 666….a hermaphrodite at your job thought Kell was handsome?”
Yeah here is her picture:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-7VEP8qsUBYs/TWeYAYoapII/AAAAAAAAAJc/1IZMY7Zo11A/s1600/new-1.jpg
October 19th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
wk 7 kc at oak
wk 8 bye
wk 9 den at oak
wk 7 sd at nyj
wk 8 sd at kc
wk 9 gb at sd
October 19th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
315.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Brien, get a life and get your own place, move in with roommates, into an apartment or house, not some patched up situation where you’re renting out a bedroom from a landlord who sleeps 20 feet away from you. Grow up, Brien. Anyone who lives in dorm like conditions over age 25 has issues.
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Roommates? For what? Always problems happen when living with others…maybe you dont know that becuz you stuck in mom’s basement eating TV dinners all day and all night long
Dorm situation? That doesnt make sense becuz in dorms you aint suppose to be bringing folks after a certain time….and guess what Im your Obumma America right now many are living worse than a dorm situation…..shows how much you know
Maybe you oshould lose your virginity first before you ever suggest to another man what to do. You damn near 40 and never been with a woman….thats pitiful and sad………..when you coming to a game?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
sd can hear the footsteps….
October 19th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Well… The AD scholarship program is over and done with.
The Raiders are offically a meritocracy.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
” You damn near 40 and never been with a woman….thats pitiful and sad”
don’t lie B@uce you know he had sex with his cousin!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
If Hue wanted Saunders to open his mouth he’d pull his zipper down.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
and LA to Bay…..Kell opened the flood gates on the wife thing….he said we were jealous becuz he has a white wife….no one ever said anything about it until he used it as ammo on us as if he is someone high and mighty.
He talks down on people who arent from his tax bracket and yet claims he is so educated…which is a damn lie. Agreeing with him on not talking about family when the punk talks about other folks mother’s is crazy….funny he such a proud black power man and would speak evil on a black mother is absolutely absurd
October 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
sd can hear the footsteps….
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You know it got their attention.
They got stomped at home last year, and now they have to deal with a better Raider squad.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Brien, what kind of person who rents out a room to someone allows the renter to make as much noise as they want and allow as many guests as they want?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
“I’m not sliding a guy in when nobody knows.”
What Steve, maybe Jackson got wind of your Miller/Gallery “former Raiders upset with Hue” theme yesterday?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
23.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
” You damn near 40 and never been with a woman….thats pitiful and sad”
don’t lie B@uce you know he had sex with his cousin!
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Yeah right…..cousin boo’d him and went back to their uncle who touched em both…..where is Benson and Stabler and the whole SVU unit when ya need em?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
27.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Brien, what kind of person who rents out a room to someone allows the renter to make as much noise as they want and allow as many guests as they want?
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Someone who has a place that is sectioned off from hearing it…lol….MR you dont get out and see much do ya?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Len!…..been great comedy in here today…MR and Kell with the usual fail jobs
October 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Brien, how did you meet your landlord? Ad in the paper?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Hue was asked if Palmer trade takes this season’s goals up a notch: “What do you think?”
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Hue and Palmer are going to be under a lot of pressure to perform….I wouldnt want it any other way
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
“Yeah right…..cousin boo’d him and went back to their uncle who touched em both”
Good point…his own cousin would not even touch him.
I apologize for saying you lied!
Did you like the pic in my last post?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
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JFB will have a field day with this, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
24.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
If Hue wanted Saunders to open his mouth he’d pull his zipper down.
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Wow basically stoled that one from Martin Lawrence I see…..
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
“Brien, how did you meet your landlord? Ad in the paper?”
What are you a damn reporter writing a book on landlord tenant relations?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
Well, I’m comfortable knowing Hue’s fate is in Mark Davis’s hands.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
32.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Brien, how did you meet your landlord? Ad in the paper?
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Nope….why dont you come by and ask…I’m sure u will get your answer
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
B:
Agreeing with him on not talking about family when the punk talks about other folks mother’s is crazy….funny he such a proud black power man and would speak evil on a black mother is absolutely absurd
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Don’t know the history behind it, just didn’t get people talking about other people’s fam.
I know Kell talks that yo mama sh;t but seemed like it was in retaliation.
I just know you won’t catch me doin that is all.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
37.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
“Brien, how did you meet your landlord? Ad in the paper?”
What are you a damn reporter writing a book on landlord tenant relations?
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need some highlight to his day
October 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
MR still trolling in here? Jeeze son, you are letting your lack of sex effect your mood.
BAN THE TROLLS! or at least give then a $20 and drop them off downtown.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
40.LA to TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
B:
Agreeing with him on not talking about family when the punk talks about other folks mother’s is crazy….funny he such a proud black power man and would speak evil on a black mother is absolutely absurd
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Don’t know the history behind it, just didn’t get people talking about other people’s fam.
I know Kell talks that yo mama sh;t but seemed like it was in retaliation.
I just know you won’t catch me doin that is all.
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LA, i never started this…Kell did it years ago saying he would slap me….which he didnt lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Brien rents a room, as opposed to living in a house or apartment of his own, like a normal human being, so he can afford to go to Raider games. Nice life. You just lit the world on fire, didn’t you Brien?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
42.BadMoodGuy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
MR still trolling in here? Jeeze son, you are letting your lack of sex effect your mood.
BAN THE TROLLS! or at least give then a $20 and drop them off downtown.
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I’d put down half on him gettin a hooker so he can lose his v-card but he never accepts
October 19th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Len!…..been great comedy in here today…MR and Kell with the usual fail jobs
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They’re always “on point” lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Brien, why don’t you:
a) Cut out the Raider games for a while
and
b) Look for more work.
So you can get your own place, and finally become a respectable adult in society?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
44.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Brien rents a room, as opposed to living in a house or apartment of his own, like a normal human being, so he can afford to go to Raider games. Nice life. You just lit the world on fire, didn’t you Brien?
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My life is filled with sex,raider games and partying…i enjoy it…how come u hate ur life?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
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October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
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JFB will have a field day with this, lol.
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No doubt.
Yo JHill, How did the carnitas work out?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien, where do you work, btw?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Yeah MR let’s get an apartment and follw their rules…sure….not buying no house yet bruh…not the time
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
MR, you think Mark Davis is anything other than along for the ride?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Carnitas was on point, Len.
I ate way too much, as usual, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
My life is filled with sex,raider games and partying
……….
I seriously doubt it with the sex.
But with the Raider games and partying? Oh, do I ever believe you. And you can only afford to do it because you rent out a room, like you’re 22 years old or something. Pathetic. Grow up.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LA to the Bay,
Mark Davis is in charge of all Raiders operations.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
51.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien, where do you work, btw?
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By Financial District in SF
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
not buying no house yet bruh…not the time
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It most certainly is the time.
And will be the time for a while, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Carnitas was on point, Len.
I ate way too much, as usual, lol.
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Nice!
And I can relate. (I’m good, but damn, gotta have another taste…lol)
October 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
But with the Raider games and partying? Oh, do I ever believe you. And you can only afford to do it because you rent out a room, like you’re 22 years old or something. Pathetic. Grow up.
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Don’t see a problem with being young and enjoying youth.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Well, Brien, the only reason you have no rules where you rent now is because your landlord is your relative. Dude, get out and become a man.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
LA to the Bay,
How old is Brien? Is he young?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
I hope the money we don’t spend on signing draft picks next year can be spent on a couple of solid FA’s. We have youth at every position except DT. We have young talent everywhere else.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
By the financial district. Well, do you panhandle, Brien? That doesn’t exactly narrow it down. What do you do? What line of work are you in?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
LA to the Bay,
Mark Davis is in charge of all Raiders operations.
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(NY accent)
Yeah…. Sure. Fugheddaboutit.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
And will be the time for a while, lol.
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Fact.
Looong road to recovery.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
I wanted to point out the only negative aspect of the press conf. last nite was Carson continually referred to the burden he felt coming into the situation in Oakland. I would have liked to have heard the word challenge instead.
That said I am looking forward to the revival of the “Mad Bomber” wearing jersey 3 for the Silver & Black
October 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
By the financial district. Well, do you panhandle, Brien? That doesn’t exactly narrow it down.
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LOL!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
LA to the Bay,
is Mark Davis not in charge of the Raiders? If not, who is?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
55.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
My life is filled with sex,raider games and partying
……….
I seriously doubt it with the sex.
But with the Raider games and partying? Oh, do I ever believe you. And you can only afford to do it because you rent out a room, like you’re 22 years old or something. Pathetic. Grow up.
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dont be mad cuz u get zero women lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
It’s about time we had a coach with a spine….goddamned refreshing. Start Carson P. and we will beat KC by 2 or 3 scores!
DMC, 150 yards 2 TD’s sounds about right….
Raideruhhhs!!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
wow i rent out a spot the size of an apartment….ooooh my life sucks soooooooooo bad lmao
October 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
MR we cant all have large downstairs basements at mom’s house like you
October 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Chas Malloy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
I wanted to point out the only negative aspect of the press conf. last nite was Carson continually referred to the burden he felt coming into the situation in Oakland. I would have liked to have heard the word challenge instead.
That said I am looking forward to the revival of the “Mad Bomber” wearing jersey 3 for the Silver & Black
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Him saying “they” instead of “us” or “we” was more of a blunder to me, but the guy has been a Raider for like 20 minutes at that point, so he gets the pass.
Also said he didn’t know the team history very well. That needs to be rectified. Al would have had him up to speed in one sit-down, LOL.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Brien, I’m pretty damn sure you get just about zero women, yourself.
Whatever it is you do for a living “in the financial district”, after Raider games, it leaves you just enough to rent out a freakin’ bedroom in your relative’s house. I’m sure women are just lined up around the corner.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
MR maybe u should post pics up of your basement and get Kell to sell it
October 19th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Hue is like a breath of fresh air from Tom Cable.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Fuuucc an apartment. Or at least an apartment complex.
Stopped doing the apartment thing a while back.
Rent a house, duplex, something.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
We had a few throwing sessions out in L.A. He looks the same. He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
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This is interesting…Two guys that were not on the Raiders at the time were out of football and working out togather…
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Let the next great era of Raider Football begin.
The Palmer Years.
Later
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Chaos with the H00ters OC stylie! Elk you catch that? Warming to that notion….
May have to leave the bro-in-law at the Happy Place and meander over to the REAL Happiest Place on Earth – H00ters!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Brien, clean your bedroom, that is your entire living domain, and post pics of it. I live in an apartment, Brien. It’s in a decent, middle class area. I pay my own rent, no help from anyone. I think that beats living in a bedroom, degenerate.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Also said he didn’t know the team history very well.
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It was kinda refreshing to hear a player we signed not go with the usual “i’ve been a Raider fan every since I was 5″ line that Davis made them spit out.
They would always get tripped up by the follow up question of who was your favorire player?
New player “uhhhhhh …”
October 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
75.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Brien, I’m pretty damn sure you get just about zero women, yourself.
Whatever it is you do for a living “in the financial district”, after Raider games, it leaves you just enough to rent out a freakin’ bedroom in your relative’s house. I’m sure women are just lined up around the corner.
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MR u must not know about women at all dude lol….if u lay it down right u can live in a cardboard box they dont care lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
82.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Brien, clean your bedroom, that is your entire living domain, and post pics of it. I live in an apartment, Brien. It’s in a decent, middle class area. I pay my own rent, no help from anyone. I think that beats living in a bedroom, degenerate.
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HAHAHAHAHA right MR….sure…explain why u have ur v card still
October 19th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Freak show today….
October 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Brien, see the Chappelle episode where Oscar the grouch talks about women. He lives in a trash can. Renting out a bedroom is just a notch better.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
MR u must not know about women at all dude lol….if u lay it down right u can live in a cardboard box they dont care lol
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Truth…
October 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
78.LA to TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Fuuucc an apartment. Or at least an apartment complex.
Stopped doing the apartment thing a while back.
Rent a house, duplex, something.
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no live with roommates as MR said lmao
October 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Just love Hue’s message to the players. Hue has true vision on which players are not contributing to the Raider success. I have complained about Giordano, Porter and Boyd. Porter is gone and just read Boyd is looking for a new employer, I just love this vision.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
87.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Brien, see the Chappelle episode where Oscar the grouch talks about women. He lives in a trash can. Renting out a bedroom is just a notch better.
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Its a bigger than a bedroom…got my own entrance and never see my landlord
October 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
oh…Brien’s bedroom that he lives in has its “own entrance”! lmfao.
And of course you don’t see your landlord. Whatever grandparent or great aunt/uncle it is you’ve probably threatened them.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
88.Thec07 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
MR u must not know about women at all dude lol….if u lay it down right u can live in a cardboard box they dont care lol
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Truth…
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the exact opposite of what MR posts about football
October 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
J,
Carson was 14 when the Raiders left and he wasn’t a Raider fan up til that point?
He was honest though, said he was just outside too much to have a favorite team. I can respect that.
Too bad Al couldn’t have been at the presser.
After Seymour was traded for, a reported asked him “what attracted you to the Raiders” (dumb question by the way, considering it was a trade).
Al interrupts… “the ownah!”
LOL.
Miss you, Al.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
A trash can has its own entrance too, Brien. Like I said, your living condition is one notch above it.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
92.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
oh…Brien’s bedroom that he lives in has its “own entrance”! lmfao.
And of course you don’t see your landlord. Whatever grandparent or great aunt/uncle it is you’ve probably threatened them.
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Naw not at all…..its a promise for you tho…if u aint scared to show up
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
the exact opposite of what MR posts about football
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never talks football… circle talk with lies mis qutes, and argument starter.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
95.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
A trash can has its own entrance too, Brien. Like I said, your living condition is one notch above it.
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does it have its own running water or bathroom? lol….electicity? TV and Cable? lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Brien, I’ll meet you at a game, if you just move out and get a place of your own. Get a job, start living like a respectable adult. Then, I’ll actually buy you a game ticket, because of course once you get a real place you won’t be able to afford Raider tickets. Deal? Get out and grow up, Brien. And I’ll meet up with you.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
MR no wonder u love Grads…you arent a winner either lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
99.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Brien, I’ll meet you at a game, if you just move out and get a place of your own. Get a job, start living like a respectable adult. Then, I’ll actually buy you a game ticket, because of course once you get a real place you won’t be able to afford Raider tickets. Deal? Get out and grow up, Brien. And I’ll meet up with you.
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See the fear yall?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
97.Thec07 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
the exact opposite of what MR posts about football
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never talks football… circle talk with lies mis qutes, and argument starter.
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like elway refused to come to raiders in 83 lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Like I said, Brien. As soon as you move out from your “wing” of your great Aunt’s house, and step into the real world of adulthood like the rest of us, I’ll meet you at a game.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
95.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
A trash can has its own entrance too, Brien. Like I said, your living condition is one notch above it.
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does it have its own running water or bathroom? lol….electicity? TV and Cable? lol
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Couldn’t be worse than the “trash can” I lived in for about a year in Pacoima, LOL.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
MR….when will u finally get a woman? 40 years is a long time with no trim
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Giordano makes impact plays tho. I admit he struggles at times but he also makes big plays that keep him safe as well. We dominated Denver and still only won by 3 points. You can thank Giordano for that W.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
51.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien, where do you work, btw?
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By Financial District in SF
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LOL, he works at a McDonalds.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
104.LA to TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
95.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
A trash can has its own entrance too, Brien. Like I said, your living condition is one notch above it.
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does it have its own running water or bathroom? lol….electicity? TV and Cable? lol
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Couldn’t be worse than the “trash can” I lived in for about a year in Pacoima, LOL.
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man them mexicans over there were crazy
October 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Brien, I’m not going to meet up with a child, even an overgrown child who refuses to grow up. I just don’t engage people like that under any circumstances. But if you can become a man, move out from your “wing” of your grandma’s house or whatever, get an apartment or a house, start living like an actual adult, I’ll meet up with you, Brien. And then I’ll let you decide how you want to handle it. But first you need go grow up and become a man. Because I don’t deal with children.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I’ll check in with you guys later. Brien, think about what I said. I mean it. Move out, become a man, then we’ll meet up and squash our differences, however you want to handle it.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Couldn’t be worse than the “trash can” I lived in for about a year in Pacoima, LOL.
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man them mexicans over there were crazy
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yezzir. Pacoima projects off the chain. Think they were always out to prove they were harder than the eses in Reseda, South C, EastLos.
Did a pretty decent job too.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Giordano has made plays in 2 games.
If not for his 2 sacks in the last game, it very well could have been him cut instead of Boyd.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Brien works at a McDonalds and picks up his ladies in the Tenderloin after work. I don’t blame you for renting a room in someone’s house. You got have to have your hookers and Raider games.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
107.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
51.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Brien, where do you work, btw?
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By Financial District in SF
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LOL, he works at a McDonalds.
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You tell em MR lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
I think my favorite under the radar player is Taiwan Jones. He makes so many key blocks, tackles and fumble recoveries on special teams. Ford wouldn’t have scored that kickoff without Taiwan getting out ahead with his speed and de-railing the only guy in postion to make a tackle. Recovered the fumble from cromartie against Jets too.
Then I would have to say Big John. I won’t even explain, just put in a tape of any game and watch that mammoth body move players/pocket.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Oh; I didn’t know this was the Oakland Raiders knitting circle. . .I should have noticd the elevator music. sorry; I’ll come back later. . .
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
109.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Brien, I’m not going to meet up with a child, even an overgrown child who refuses to grow up. I just don’t engage people like that under any circumstances. But if you can become a man, move out from your “wing” of your grandma’s house or whatever, get an apartment or a house, start living like an actual adult, I’ll meet up with you, Brien. And then I’ll let you decide how you want to handle it. But first you need go grow up and become a man. Because I don’t deal with children.
110.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I’ll check in with you guys later. Brien, think about what I said. I mean it. Move out, become a man, then we’ll meet up and squash our differences, however you want to handle it.
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Translation= I’ll never meet up cuz you will beat my lil short nerdy ass
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Pacoima projects were lightweight.
When I first got out to Northridge, we used to smash all the way to Pacoima to get these fat arsse nickles.
Of course that was before I met the “valley dudes” and got put on with that fire chronic, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I like Jason Campbell as a person. I feel bad for what has happened to him. We were going places with him as our starter. I’m hoping Carson can come in and make the throws Jason was missing, though. We actually have legit receivers now and we have excellent coaching. Superbowl bound? IDK, but I’ll take making the playoffs and winning games. 2003 to 2009 SUCKED!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
116.antispy3 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Oh; I didn’t know this was the Oakland Raiders knitting circle. . .I should have noticd the elevator music. sorry; I’ll come back later. . .
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Yeah cuz ur posts are always trash…how bout this? dont ever come back
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Okay another favor to ask the Nation. Was too “happy” at the game Sunday to have caught ALL the action and was so excited to head for the East Bay I forgot to tivo the game.
Anyone know of any replays on NFL Network coming up so I can do my video breakdown this week?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Fuuucc an apartment. Or at least an apartment complex.
Stopped doing the apartment thing a while back.
Rent a house, duplex, something.
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Doesn’t Jamista Clown have a super deluxe bridge that he lives under?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
118.J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Pacoima projects were lightweight.
When I first got out to Northridge, we used to smash all the way to Pacoima to get these fat arsse nickles.
Of course that was before I met the “valley dudes” and got put on with that fire chronic, lol.
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LOL….valley chronic report was not it
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Hue just on sports center, raiders getting almost as much attention as tebow. Boy I hope Cameron wake destroys tebow on sunday
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Has MR said he will meet you yet Brien?
MR living with mom’s banging cousins, vacationing with the sailors in san diego. What a life MR.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
So, us “haters” got what we wanted. A new (better QB) for the near future, and coaches who are allowed to do what they do best, not what the owner wants done.
And suddenly everyone’s on board and excited about it
October 19th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
119.Orthodoxdj Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
I like Jason Campbell as a person. I feel bad for what has happened to him. We were going places with him as our starter. I’m hoping Carson can come in and make the throws Jason was missing, though. We actually have legit receivers now and we have excellent coaching. Superbowl bound? IDK, but I’ll take making the playoffs and winning games. 2003 to 2009 SUCKED!!!
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Yup
October 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
antispy3 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Oh; I didn’t know this was the Oakland Raiders knitting circle. . .I should have noticd the elevator music. sorry; I’ll come back later. . .
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Good point. Maybe we should be talking football not throwing knitting needles. This should be about Real Football. Raider Football.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
125.Whats a Drexl? Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Has MR said he will meet you yet Brien?
MR living with mom’s banging cousins, vacationing with the sailors in san diego. What a life MR.
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HAHAHAHA…he lives in cheap ass Sacto and lives with momma? sad
October 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
LMFAO, hi Maddenraideralex7sullivan44ABPetcetcetc. All of Sybil’s friends are here to play.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
anyhow….i’ll be at ya cats later
October 19th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
So can someone break down Kansas Shi**y and what they are doing? Or do you want me to?
October 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
125.Whats a Drexl? Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Has MR said he will meet you yet Brien?
MR living with mom’s banging cousins, vacationing with the sailors in san diego. What a life MR.
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HAHAHAHA…he lives in cheap ass Sacto and lives with momma? sad
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Bangs his cousins azz, and vacations in san diego. He likes a good navy town.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Wow. The scholarship guys must be shaking in their boots! well, all of them except Routt and Wimbley, they allready got paid.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Valley Green was WAY better than that Pacoima stress.
We were rookie smokers fresh outta high school.
We stayed on that Pacoima BS for a while though. It did the job as long as the cases of Ole E were around.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
He’s putting the ball right on the money. Obviously that’s something we’re looking forward to.”
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JFB will have a field day with this, lol.
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This brings back some memories. Read between the lines! Lol
October 19th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Palmer is the best qb we have had at least since Gannon, and maybe since Plunket. Funny all these “sorces” saying that Palmer is starting Sunday when the guy who will acually make that decision says that he won’t decide until Friday. My guess is that he will go with the guy who he figures will give us the best chance to win the game, and unless Palmer is not in good physical condition, that guy will be Palmer. He won’t be as good as he will be in three weeks, and he should be even better in about six weeks, but he will still be better than Boller. The hard part will be for him to have a good enough grasp of the offense to get out of a bad play and into a good one when he sees something he doesn’t like.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
KC is sitting there waiting to get their domes smashed in.
Cassell is terrible.
And so is Haley.
Raiders 27
Chiefs 13
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
VittorioTafur Hue on new backup safety Ndukwe: “His experience playing against some really good tight ends makes huge difference to me as we move forward”
about 2 hours ago
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
KK’s picture reminds me of the golden throat-ed homeless derelict someone found begging at a freeway on ramp, and made famous, until he smoked his new found fortune in crack, go figure. Same goofy face.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Pacoima projects were lightweight.
When I first got out to Northridge, we used to smash all the way to Pacoima to get these fat arsse nickles.
Of course that was before I met the “valley dudes” and got put on with that fire chronic, lol.
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My boy got his a$$ handed to him in PP, f*ckin with like 5 eses, so I guess my experience is different.
I never had any problems personally though, just had to get used to the sound of Mariachi music (sounds like one looong song that gets played over and over)
Craziest hoods I’ve been through aren;t even in America.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
KC is sitting there waiting to get their domes smashed in.
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One of the best breakdowns I’ve heard in awhile.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
My boy got his a$$ handed to him in PP, f*ckin with like 5 eses,
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1 on 5????
His bad!
October 19th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
J,
over a b*tch.
Logic goes right out the window. They got theirs, though…. so I’m told.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Wow. Starting Palmer this sunday sounds like a very risky decision. Let Palmer speed up to the pro game, give him 3 weeks. No need to risk injury, we need him for the long haul.
Boller looked good. Boller can beat the Queefs.
Have Palmer as backup. Give Palmer a thin playbook of 3 step drop plays just in case.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
I’m smart enough and lucky enough to have not been caught up in too much throughout my travels in the southland. Always kept it business, always kept it 100.
October 19th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
139.909RaiderLifer Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
VittorioTafur Hue on new backup safety Ndukwe: “His experience playing against some really good tight ends makes huge difference to me as we move forward”
about 2 hours ago
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Think about Boyd getting beat towards the end on the Houston game by that TE when Shuab lofted the ball up.
Think about Boyd getting beat by the TE for that first TD Cleveland scored last week.
And those 2 instances are just off the top of my head.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Hue on new backup safety Ndukwe: “His experience playing against some really good tight ends makes huge difference to me as we move forward”
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Ndukwe is a big safety. Notre Damer. Was a leading tackler for the Bungholes until he injured a knee last year. Good player if he’s healthy.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
J, those are the two that did him in for sure. Huge mistakes.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
over a b*tch.
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Nations have crumbled for the same reason.
Amazes me.
Like buses, ya know!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Seymour is 100% correct. Ndukwe was off to a great start as a Bengal.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
RAIDERS—30 QUEEFS—17
October 19th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Nations have crumbled for the same reason.
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LMAO!!
My best friend in Wasco for one right now. Lucky I got myself a good one.
J, stay with the minivan and the shorties. It has made a dramtic improvement in my life (well, minus the minivan, lol)
October 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
49.inonewordraider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
NFLfootballinfo Michael Signora
by CorkOnTheNFL
Raiders won 8 consecutive division games, longest current streak. Dolphins 15 in row vs. AFC East (’72-’73) best since 1970
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Awesome stuff. JC gets credit for seven straight. The bar has been set for CP. We absolutely must go 5-0 against the division the rest of the year. By the way, guess which Raider QB started the division streak?
October 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Lil man five and my girl just talked me into putting a car seat in the Impala.
Gotta lay down two blankets and a towel under to keep the seat looking right.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
You can laugh all you want to doggy dogg.
Ima get me a minivan.
Incognegro at it’s fullest!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
And ima put me a Just Say No To Drugs bumper sticker on it too!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Awesome stuff. JC gets credit for seven straight. The bar has been set for CP. We absolutely must go 5-0 against the division the rest of the year. By the way, guess which Raider QB started the division streak?
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JaMarcus, 1-0 streak against the AFC West, 0-1,000,000 in life.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
The Cheats have played well lately, but they are infinitely beatable. Cassell is playing well. Looks like MC Cluster is their Wes Welker. Their running attack is actually very good. The surprises are jackie Battle and McCluster. Those are the guys you have to watch. Our run defense has played very well lately, so that should be a good matchup but McCluster will run wild on slow LB’s. We must have Tyvon, Huff and possibly Ndukwe up there to stuff his ass.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Just located the Anahiem H00ters. Str8 down the street from the second happiest place on earth. Don’t think the wife will think too highly of that on the first day of vaca. On the other hand….
October 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
JaMarcus, 1-0 streak against the AFC West, 0-1,000,000 in life.
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Hilarious.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
You can laugh all you want to doggy dogg.
Ima get me a minivan.
Incognegro at it’s fullest!
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LOL, do it.
No laughing out of me. Well, not much.
Still got partners sittin on the same porch, doin the same thing since high school, and I love ‘em but I can’t do anything more to help ‘em, they gotta want it for themselves.
Some just too far gone, stuck in neutral, you know? Can’t vote, can’t get a job, could be lwayers if they weren’t criminiminals.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
SB,
I guess I just have no respect for KC right now.
I think all you need to do is get a good shot on Cassell early, and he’s toast.
McClain does a damn good job of playing the RBs outta the backfield.
Our safeties are playing lights out.
Not concerned about their offense at all.
Only way they move the ball is if we get dumb penalties.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Rattle Cassell and they’re done. No Charles to lean on.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Lofty,
Hit the ESPN Zone AT Disneyland.
Hooter is overrated.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
J, who woulda thought Branch could play zone as well as he has been?
And he’s still aggressive as hell, but not missing tackles.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
R8rs destroy Queefs even with JLofty taking snaps. He’s old but can STILL make ALL the throws. Stay in just long enough to get us up far enough to let Lechler come in for mop up duty….
October 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Yeah J, I’ll be @ the Zone. An old man can still dream tho can’t he?
October 19th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
LA,
Amazing what getting in the film room can do for you.
Just like when Huff dedicated himself.
Totally different player.
One thing I was really pumped about was MM34 in deep pass coverage. He made a damn good play on that ball at towards the end of the game that Branch almost scooped up for pick.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Would you guys freak out if Oakland cut Hagan and signed T.O.?
October 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
81.JLofty Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Chaos with the H00ters OC stylie! Elk you catch that? Warming to that notion….
May have to leave the bro-in-law at the Happy Place and meander over to the REAL Happiest Place on Earth – H00ters!
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I here you bro. Dont know if I can pull off the ditch the fam AND hit up hooters…LOL. Probably still try to stake out a spot at the Zone. Man…really want to be at this game too…f disneyland!! Haha!!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
An old man can still dream tho can’t he?
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Certainly can.
Just not a big fan of Hooters. Have yet to walk in there and see any dimes. a bunch of 6s and 7s.
Probably see more nice ones at the zone, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
JHill, you really think Al made all the new hire say they were a fan since they were kids. You cant beleive they were actually a fan of the Raiders? I mean I love the team, why is hard to beleive players did too.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
I only been to one H00ters in my life. About 20 years ago in Phoenix or valley of the losers whatever they call that hole. Was working for a NASCAR team and racing at PIR, me a few of the guys went over there for ribs and beers. It was NOT overrated. I fell in love with at least 3 or 4 coeds. I was around 23 at the time. Real love too. Hmmmmmmmmmm…..ribs…..
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
170.wasbanned Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Would you guys freak out if Oakland cut Hagan and signed T.O.?
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Why the heck would we need that headcase?!?
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
MR musta blown up the comp in the library switching accounts.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Haha!! Raider fan cop pulled Craptree over and made him miss a flight. Beautiful.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
@ 162, my take is that lawyers are merely educated criminals.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Truth ELK, truth. I was pretty glad to hear I was getting a hall pass from 1pm-4:30pm Sunday as it was. Glad her sister is coming up that day. Takes some heat off me…
October 19th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
What was all that lito shepperd talk yesterday? I’ve been looking at the transactions and seen nothing about lito
October 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
179.JLofty Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Truth ELK, truth. I was pretty glad to hear I was getting a hall pass from 1pm-4:30pm Sunday as it was. Glad her sister is coming up that day. Takes some heat off me…
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I lucked out also…her brothers fam is gonna be there!! Man…this could be a good weekend…
October 19th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
It was NOT overrated. I fell in love with at least 3 or 4 coeds.
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LOL!
I guess I was at the wrong one.
West Covina, Mo Valley, and Ontario are not the business.
Wings are bomb though, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Would you guys freak out if Oakland cut Hagan and signed T.O.?
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YES!!!!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Ken O’Brien on Petros & Money Show @ 4:30 pacific.
Talking about Carson Palmer’s workouts with him.
FOX sports radio. http://petrosandmoneyshow.com
Hit the listen live link..
October 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
RrrrrrrrrrrrrrAaaaaaaaaaaaaaIiiiiiiiiiDddddddddddEeeeeeeeeeRrrrrrrrrrrrSssssssssssssssss!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Just say NO to TO! I’d cut my left nut$@ck off if Huge did such a thing…..not that he would.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
See ya fellas…OAKTOWN BABY!!
October 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
JLofty Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Just say NO to TO! I’d cut my left nut$@ck off if Huge did such a thing…..not that he would.
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Your nut sack is safe, Hue wouldn’t go there.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
JLofty Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Just say NO to TO! I’d cut my left nut$@ck off if Huge did such a thing…..not that he would.
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TO ain’t happening.
No Need.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Okay I don’t think he’s a very good QB but I like him a lot more after this:
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Coach-Jackson-10-19-11/a40aa070-e193-4e04-987c-2ea800d73048#?id=c61712db-28e1-4463-9a8c-07b059c72d81
October 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Remember when Krappy called himself a “Blog Personality”?
I was getting my flag pole shined by a couple of nubian strippers when I thought of that gem.
Just put on a hockey helmet so I wouldn’t hurt my self laughing.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Thought: Can the Raiders really have a QB named Carson? This guy needs a nick name and fast. Carson sounds like the butler at Windsor Castle.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
170.wasbanned Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Would you guys freak out if Oakland cut Hagan and signed T.O.?
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Why the heck would we need that headcase?!?
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My thoughts too. I sure as heck don’t want him. However, its just something crazy I heard a guy talking about on NFL Network.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
J,
most definitely film study.
Huff credited Nnamdi for that and Huff is playing great ball last two, really three years. He was verstile in college and tried around at so many spots here, he’s become a very well-rounded defender.
You’re the film guy, seems like Huffy been playing more in the slot than safety this year with all those sub packages.
And I did see that MM34 play. They need to reel Mike in a bit, I think but he gonna be nice.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Q, that did cross my mind but cant think of anything other than something lame like Car Bomber Palmer. CP has two last names.
Difficult to do much with the first last name.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Right now, I think of him as Retired Palmer. When they say Carson on the radio, I’m still like “what position does he play for the Chiefs?” …Need more sleep.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
You’re the film guy, seems like Huffy been playing more in the slot than safety this year with all those sub packages.
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Seems that way because we run so many nickle packages.
And he’s been doing a damn good jobin that nickel role. Be it blitzing or in coverage.
I’ve been lobbying for Branch and Mitchell at FS and SS when Huff goes to the slot instead of bringing Mitchell in in place of a LB.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
J Hill Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
I’ve been lobbying for Branch and Mitchell at FS and SS when Huff goes to the slot instead of bringing Mitchell in in place of a LB.
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Mitchell has been pretty lacking in coverage, which has always been the knock on him. And Huff and Branch have been stellar at the safety positions so far this year.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Interesting stat from NFLN.
Only once in the last 10 years has a SB winner been in the bottom 10 in the league in penalties.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
can we live with eli manning Manning 111 2,057 3528 58.3 24,424 6.92 167 118 47 81.4
Palmer 97 2,024 3217 62.9 22,694 7.05 154 100 31 86.9
2010
GP CMP ATT CMP% YDS AVG TD INT FUM RAT
Manning 16 339 539 62.9 4,002 7.43 31 25 5 85.3
Palmer 16 362 586 61.8 3,970 6.78 26 20 3 82.4
October 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Sports and loyalty are incongruous. When you juxtapose Jc and palmer you find something interesting.
Jc in the final year of an expiring deal, gave it all that he had. he even went as far as coming out of his own pocket to room the wr group at his home, and fund the lockout min camp the raiders had. he di this without being paid for it, and with no guarantee that he would be extended. he did with the idea that he would prove himself worthy as a leader and earn his keep. 100% class, and the extra work has really helped the wr adn offense hit the season in stride. This also saved DHBs’ career.
Palmer on the other hand signed a mega deal didnt like his team and refused to show up for work. This pretty much held the bungles hostage until they drafted a qb. Luckily for them dalton has played decent ball for a rookie, and may turn out to be a good pro. this isnt a classy move by palmer at all.
Looking back it looks like JC had a better ethic but in the end it did him no good. As soon as he was injured it was thanks and goodbye, be a back up or pack up.
This is a stark reminder that even if a guy is a me first diva, he is within his right, because the owners coaches and front office people are looking out for themselves, so why shouldnt the players?
even though this goes against my own personal feelings and ethics i now know for certain that players should continue to hold out, fail to show up, seek 2nd medical opinions, have surgery or when they want to, and never should structure their lives around whats best for the team. It might be the right thing to do, but this is not the right business to do it in.
October 19th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Mitchell has been pretty lacking in coverage,
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So far, so good THIS year.
My thinking was that there was no way he could be worse than Boyd. Mitchell being able to step into the SS role when Huff goes to nickle corner would allow Branch to move over to Giordano’s spot.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
I’ve been lobbying for Branch and Mitchell at FS and SS when Huff goes to the slot instead of bringing Mitchell in in place of a LB.
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They like that wolverine spot for Mike. You may get your wish, Hue sounded like he was talking up Ndukwe at SS. and Branch been playing well so no sense in subbing him out. Figure Huff slot, Branch FS with his cover skills having improved, Ndk at SS and Mike in the big nick.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
O’Brien said Palmer was making all the throws, in good shape, blah blah…
He didn’t think it would be a good idea to start him this week though..To much to learn in to short of time..
October 19th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Interesting point Mistic. I’d like to see JC back as #2. You never know when you’re gunna need a solid no2….
October 19th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Looking back it looks like JC had a better ethic but in the end it did him no good. As soon as he was injured it was thanks and goodbye, be a back up or pack up.
This is a stark reminder that even if a guy is a me first diva, he is within his right, because the owners coaches and front office people are looking out for themselves, so why shouldnt the players?
even though this goes against my own personal feelings and ethics i now know for certain that players should continue to hold out, fail to show up, seek 2nd medical opinions, have surgery or when they want to, and never should structure their lives around whats best for the team. It might be the right thing to do, but this is not the right business to do it in.
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Jason is a stand up guy and my heart really goes out to him.
But in THIS case it is no one’s fault. Definitely not the Raider organization’s fault.
Campbell was given the keys to the Ferrari and he crashed it by getting hurt. The way he scrambled against the Browns, unable to slide properly, was reckless and it cost him and the team.
The first time it cost us a fumble. The second time it cost him his season, maybe his career. After 7-8 years in the league I am flabbergasted that he has not learned how to properly execute a QB slide.
It’s similar to what happened to Gradkowski last season when HE refused to slide and ended up getting injured and subsequently lost his starting job here in Oakland.
Hue did what was expected of him, he went out and got a QB who could keep the Raiders season moving forward and progressing towards our goal of a Superbowl Championship.
After years of watching and cringing after watching the “scholarship” players get away with murder, I’m happy to see a Coach and decision maker, who cares about putting the best product on the field at all times.
That’s it, that’s all.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
even tho we should leave the past in the past. i told u idiots that mcnabb was done years ago when the eagles traded himn in their division. when will yall listen 2 me
October 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Sports and loyalty are incongruous. When you juxtapose Jc and palmer you find something interesting.
Jc in the final year of an expiring deal, gave it all that he had. he even went as far as coming out of his own pocket to room the wr group at his home, and fund the lockout min camp the raiders had. he di this without being paid for it, and with no guarantee that he would be extended. he did with the idea that he would prove himself worthy as a leader and earn his keep. 100% class, and the extra work has really helped the wr adn offense hit the season in stride. This also saved DHBs’ career.
Palmer on the other hand signed a mega deal didnt like his team and refused to show up for work. This pretty much held the bungles hostage until they drafted a qb. Luckily for them dalton has played decent ball for a rookie, and may turn out to be a good pro. this isnt a classy move by palmer at all.
Looking back it looks like JC had a better ethic but in the end it did him no good. As soon as he was injured it was thanks and goodbye, be a back up or pack up.
This is a stark reminder that even if a guy is a me first diva, he is within his right, because the owners coaches and front office people are looking out for themselves, so why shouldnt the players?
even though this goes against my own personal feelings and ethics i now know for certain that players should continue to hold out, fail to show up, seek 2nd medical opinions, have surgery or when they want to, and never should structure their lives around whats best for the team. It might be the right thing to do, but this is not the right business to do it in.
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Dang Mistic! That is one of the best post’s I have ever read on this blog! Very well said young man. Very well said!
October 19th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Raiders 24 – Queefs 17
Doesn’t matter who QB’s. One guy is not very good, the other a bit rusty so my score isn’t as high as it will be in 2nd Queef game when they have lost all hope and we are fighting for the division….
October 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
see i jus hate when u fellow raider fans show yur football stupididty like sayin things such as — we should get bret favre,, or we should sign mike vick .,, or or , we should cut dhb. u guys embarass intelligent raider fans like myself
October 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
We need to keep JC and make him the #1 top paid Back-up. That aint alot of cash for a heck of an insurance plan.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I am STILL of the belief that good things happen to good people. Might be in the long run but Jason Campbell is a good guy and I am sure it will work out for him fine.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
We should get Brett Faaaarrhhhhhvvvvvreeeeeeeee. I heard we’re into retired dudes…
October 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
I feel bad for jc…. hue never had the confidence in him to get us to the Superbowl. .. and everyone knows That now.. otherwise. .he waits on jc to recover from injury an resigns him… I don’t blame players for holding out… they need to understand that this is a business…. all That team RA RA sh! T is just coaches knowing they have a job to do or else. .. I’m also sure most players approved of the trade…. because Boller… God bless his heart… is definitely not the answer. .
October 19th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
# JLofty Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I am STILL of the belief that good things happen to good people. Might be in the long run but Jason Campbell is a good guy and I am sure it will work out for him fine.
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I only hope he gets to go to a team that doesnt suck as bad as this team did when he got here. The way he played down the stretch last year and the way he played this season along with the off field and locker room stuff he did will keep his value up in the market place.
Hopefully he can go to a team that is close to being a playoff team so he can have a chance to lead, and not be thrown to the wolves.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
I hope he stays right here in Alameda.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:16 pm
I feel bad for jc…. hue never had the confidence in him to get us to the Superbowl. .. and everyone knows That now.. otherwise. .he waits on jc to recover from injury an resigns him…
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this may have some merit or could be just speculation. Hue said the trade doesnt happen if Jc didnt get hurt, so he believed in him enough up until that point. once he was injured all bets were off hu jack had a chance to take another guy that he knows better than Jc and he jumped at it. That is the way football works.
Either way this is nothing like the grads fiasco from last year. palmer is a good player, im not sure how much of an upgrade it really is, but it isnt a step back.
im good with it
October 19th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
Jason Campbell is injured. I hope that he has a complete and speedy recovery and can be persuaded to stay right here with us.
Carson Palmer and Jason Campbell is one helluva 1-2 QB combo.
It’s the best QB combo in the league.
After years of completely inept QB play after Gannon’s departure, and the league ignominy and humiliation of the Jamarcus Russell debacle, I am jumping for joy that the league, the media, and the entire NFL has to stop laughing and pay serious attention to the Raiders for the first time since 2003!
October 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Mistic1 I know how you feel and yes I agree we both had the same feeling about JC and I hate what happened to him. I literally went into a funk when he went down, my emotions ran from one end of the spectrum to the other. I hate what happened to the guy and if I could do something for him I’d do it in a heartbeat that’s how I feel for him.
However all that being said this is a performance based next man up mentality in this profession. It’s cruel as hell always has been. That is why these gusy get the money they get JC is rich and it wont take but a minute for another team to go after him once he’s healthy. if I’m the Raiders once he is healthy I’d try to get something for him a 2nd or 3rd or something he is just that good.
But I will sya right now if I knew we had even a shadow of a chance to get Palmer I would trade JC and a 1st to do it. That is what I think of Palmer he was the standard bearer for QB’s when I used to scout he was the prototype QB we used to loook for. He may not be the player he was say 5 years ago but if he is 85% of that guy I’m all in. His ability was second to none coming out of USC he was very mobile had an absolute gun and was all-time accurate short to intermediate and long he could do it all. Palmer was as good as Luck is now just a better arm. If he had not been held back by Hackett in his soph and junior years he would’ve won maybe 2 Heismans. The guy was tremendous player, all I want from him is 85-90% of what I saw coming out of school. people keep saying he’s not the same player he may not be physically speaking but he may be better in terms of smarts and football acumen. Never look at a player and overjudge him when you have limited info on what the circumstances were. For me at Cincinati it seems like I saw a guy who was thoroughly frustrated and had enough of a situation that seems to just look like the front office had no intentions on winning. You can look at lost players and once the see without a doubt that the organization doesn’t want to win they mentally checkout.
Barry Sanders did the same thing several players have rather than come to work everyday pretending and collecting a paychech he told them to trade him or he would retire he isn’t the first and he wont be the last to do that. A competitor hates to lose and taht is all they ever did and tehy seemed content to lose. he forced a trade and now the Benglas are happy and so is he.
The only person I feel sad for is JC who in some ways is getting the short end, but he just need to take the time to accept it and get ready to move on he is way to talented to let this undermine his career because he can play. He’s better than several starters out there. If I were Seattle or Miami or even Denver I’d be on the phone with the Raiders asking what it would take to get him. he’s hands down better than any player they haveIMO.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
208. F*ck that. Stop buying the ESPN et al Raifer hater version of the Palmer story. Mike Brown is an idiot and pr*ck who drove that team into crap and made so many ridiculous BS moves U we do know about and likely ALOT we and especially YOU don’t know about.
Palmer would’ve been content to sit on his couch rather than play another down for such an A hole.
Wish JC never got hert and wish him the best but we’re glad to have Palmer whether he fought with a jerk or not.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
I doubt JC stays to play back up. He’s a starter and proved it.
Someone will pony up a big contract cuz Qbs are scarce
October 19th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
219 Priest…Good post. right on the money.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
I agree! We need to pay JC handsomely to remain our backup. What good is a backup if he can’t throw touchdowns and win?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
i woulda went got my raider shield tatoo on my chest covered wit a tatoo of andy dick, moved to kansas city , and bought a prius if we woulda signed bret favre
October 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Priest I agree with you about Carson Palmer.
Tee guy is a top 10 QB over the last decade period. And when he is healthy I think he is a top 5 QB in this league.
Is Peyton Manning mobile? How about Brady, or Rivers?
You don’t have to be a running, scrambling QB to be effective. You just have to have good pocket awareness, good feet in the pocket, and a quick release. Palmer has all of those things.
Furthermore, if a team had packaged the exact same picks that the Raiders did, in order to acquire the rights to Andrew Luck next season, the whole league would be calling them brilliant.
That’s one of the problems with the NFL. Too many people salivate over an unproven rookie PROSPECT, that hasn’t taken ONE NFL snap yet, than a PROVEN and tested NFL vet.
Sounds completely backwards to me.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
i cant defened carson palmer quittin on the bengals. i hate randy moss to this day 4 quittin on us, barry sanders is 3rd to emmit smith & eric dickerson cus hes a quitter, and my ex girlfriend quit on me so wut can i say. ok maybe she got a better boyfriend than me now but i still hate her .
October 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Who would have been better? Favre or Boller?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
That was a great post, Mistic.
Getting tougher to blame athletes for being Me First guys when ownership, management, and coaching are certainly in it to run a business. Some teams just are just content to stay profitable and others want to win.
I think this is the major difference between the Bengals and the Raiders, despite how weird Al kept thing around Alameda. He did whatever he thought was the best thing to win.
00 brings up a good point and I don’t know what went down over there in Cincy, but I definitely feel for Jason right now.
JLofty, I think that, too but I also think good people have to want to do good for themselves and get lucky.
Jason Campbell might equal Jason Garrett, you know?
JC would joke he’d make a helluva coach because of all the system’s he’s been in.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
I’ll tell you what this whole situation shows us….
Al Davis could have and should have gotten WAY MORE for Randy Moss.
When you have a player of value, you don’t ever give them away for nothing of equal or close to equal value for your team.
One of the top 5 all time mistakes of Al Davis.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
armchair gm.. umm .. u 4get sumtin.. peyton manning , brady , rivers ? yeah those guys play on teams that were built 4 their pathetic mobility . every single raider qb has been… gannon, campbell , aaron brooks, , if palmer can play above average nfl qb ball. the raiders will be very tough . but mobility has been needed at times 4 raider qbs
October 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
It was a real turn off hear.. al Saunders say..” now that’s a quarterback ” … referring to Palmer. … Jason Campbell is a good qb…. And if he has a speedy recovery…and then God forbid Carson blows his arm. … how fast will these take before They dump Carson and start kissing JCs ass!! …. not cool on their part… jc is still part of this team and hue should say that out loud.. we would not be here if not for jc…
October 19th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
boller woulda been better than favre , trent edwards woulda been better than favre , tony pike woulda been better than favre. bret favre is 60 years old and a complete arrogant d bag that thinks his arm is a nuclear weapon . let him go away already, wut is this semi gay love football fans have 4 this jerk ?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
Ghostraiders – totally agree. i think Saunders remarks were classless. Why are Saunders and Jackson going on the talk-show circuit anyway? Don’t they have a game to prepare for?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
These are the things That I talk about regarding al davis…. he would feel indebted towards guys like jc…. as we can see .. those days are over for the Raiders. .. I guess its good and bad… but mostly bad..IMO
October 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
LOLOL Doriangray – I’m a woman so I guess it’s not gay love………………..lololol
October 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Colbert report should be mandatory viewing for Republicans. If you laugh, you have to vote Democrat.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Al was gangsta but he wouldn’t have done JC like that, I don’t think. He was old school. Right now, we got Hue Jack ni99as runnin the show, lol.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
i gotta say . michelle balkman impressed me at last nights republican debate . shes the best candidate so far . & im a 33 yr old black man living in the south .
October 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
*ahem* So hello there Toozfan55…j/k
Palmer shouldn’t play this Sunday. Not like its a make or break game and we have a bye week coming up.
Subtrefuge to force some poor KC lackey to pony up Carson game film and stats.
Give him 2 weeks and we’ll see…
October 19th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
latothebay , u and ghost shut up bout how al wouldnt have done jc that way. 1st of all , the organization didnt do jc anyway. whos to say he can comeback at all this season ? 2ndly , al would absolutely love carson palmer & u know it . and 3rdly , all i heard was RAIDER fans wishin al would die so the team can win ,. well guess what ?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
ALL of the Repubs and ALL of the Dems are shills for the multi-national corporations taking over the world.
Plain, simple truthy-ness…
October 19th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
doriangray Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
armchair gm.. umm .. u 4get sumtin.. peyton manning , brady , rivers ? yeah those guys play on teams that were built 4 their pathetic mobility . every single raider qb has been… gannon, campbell , aaron brooks, , if palmer can play above average nfl qb ball. the raiders will be very tough . but mobility has been needed at times 4 raider qbs
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DorianGray-
None of these QB’s are in Palmer’s class when it comes to Down The Field Passing and accuracy except for Gannon in the accuracy department.
And remember Gannon was brought in to run Jon Gruden’s West Coast offense. Totally different than the way the Raider’s play now.
The Raiders also haven’t had a Pro Bowl offensive line since Gannon left either. So you must look at all of those factors.
Now that our o-line is one of the top 3 in the league, and is continuing to improve and gel, the necessity for a running, scrambling QB will significantly diminish.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Tooz. . I’m starting to feel those tears in Houston by hue Jack. . Were tears of joy…. ” I run this show now”… I’m glad we got Palmer. .. but check yourself…. learn to have class ..especially you al Saunders. .. that shouldn’t be the Raider way!”
October 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
FEEL KINDA BAD FOR JC,BUT ITS A BUSINESS AND I WANNA KEEP WINNING BABY.KEEP ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN ROLLIN,LOL
October 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
u have to be shrewed in todays game to win championships. the pats will cut tom brady tomoroow if belicheck told them it wouldbenefit them to start ryan mallet . the raiders cant just sit by and hope jc comes back this season and resumes playin his brand of slightly above average football
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
i dont think suanders was throwing our guys under the bus, his remark was about the ability of palmer, nothing more. when you hear the clip it isnt sinister in anyway. It is one of those quotes that reads one way but sounds completely different in context.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
It is interesting that some people on here espouse a free market economy in football but don’t want it to apply to their occupation.
In a free market you sell your skills to the highest bidder. You fulfill your contract. Based on your performance, you are offered another contract or you are sent out on the open market to find another employer. No matter what your occupation is, it is a competition.
If you can’t compete then lower your expectations.
I’m sorry, but that is the way life is, or should be.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I feel bad for JC, but it’s not like he got laid off from Fed Ex.
The guy is a millionaire and right now is on disability.
If he heals this season, he can come back and help us compete for a SB championship this year.
No one has done him dirty at all. Injuries happen. Shaughnessy is IR as well. Did Hue do him dirty by putting Bryant and Moss in his spot?
Next man up is the slogan of the year. It’s the nature of the business and the way it HAS to be if you want to win.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
what al saunders comments should tell u is that real football people know top tier talent when they see it . why do u think jay cutler will stay in chicago no matter what ? hes the best qb they ever had, in their franchises history! the oakland raiders staff , water boys. hell janitors , amy trask nobody has seen a qb wit palmers natural ability in decades
October 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Dorian,
LA to TheBay = Al bootlicker
The man didn’t walk on water but its his team. Al did love Palmer I’m sure but I don’t know that he would have made this move. Al almost always went with the QBs he already had. I think he traded Stabler in like 1979. We’ve had a lot of guys come off the bench since.
All I’m saying is I like a dude like Al running the team for the same reason I like Hue. They want very badly to win and they make shrewd moves to do it.
Said it yesterday, the fan in me is pumped to see Carson Palmer out there. I’m f*ckin Tom Cable Geeked in this MF.
But on a completely human level, JC just got sh;t canned and he did a lot for us.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Hey GoodOle00! How you doin’? I agree that we should not be starting CP this week. What a disaster if he should get hurt! Boller can probably pull out a win……………can’t he?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Don’t be an idiot Dorian. … hue should atleast let jc know… hey hurry up and get healthy… we still need you… instead he threw him under the buss …. al davis was loyal… you dumb ass!! That’s How this organization will start to change…. I love the Raiders. .. and hue and al Saunders should just be a little bit more classy that’s all….
October 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
I feel bad for JC, but it’s not like he got laid off from Fed Ex.
The guy is a millionaire and right now is on disability.
If he heals this season, he can come back and help us compete for a SB championship this year.
No one has done him dirty at all. Injuries happen. Shaughnessy is IR as well. Did Hue do him dirty by putting Bryant and Moss in his spot?
Next man up is the slogan of the year. It’s the nature of the business and the way it HAS to be if you want to win.
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health is a part of the equation, chaz was on the bubble and lost his starting gig in part because he couldnt stay on the field. It happens in every sport. Just as HU knows that if he doesnt win he is gone. There is no place for loyalty or good will, its cut throat.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
I feel bad for Jason Campbell too.
If he needs any help packing his bags, I am there for him.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
look. stop feelin bad for j.c. this is a mans game . & these arrogant guys get paid millions to play it , jc has had a rough hand in the league but at least his big jaw havin butt gets to play in it , id trade places wit him now. & his career isnt over . i mean dont u think miami would love to have jc ? how bout seattle ? heck if i was the broncos id bring him in next season
October 19th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
I feel bad for JC, but it’s not like he got laid off from Fed Ex.
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LMFAO!
October 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Truth be told even if JC would’ve come back this year an injury like that takes at least a year before he’ll be able to throw without a hitch he may have been able to play but how well??
I just don’t believe he would’ve played the same until maybe next year, that’s why I was so pissed about it. I think it was the most unfortunate thing for JC he was starting to really play well.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Yeah Ghostraiders……………didn’t he seem a tad drunk with power at the press conference? And today he was on the NFL channel by phone and i swear his voice was an octave higher………..should be interesting. Very funny remark about the tears in Houston.
October 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
oh now that the great al davis is dead yall wanna say all this positive stuff bout him . ok .
but u tell me. raiders win 2 superbowls the next 4 years,, will u care about team loyalty ??
October 19th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
and i dont give a crap how classless hue jackson acts. just win games!!!!!! i am a gat damn raider fan & i loved it when seymour slammed brady. i loved it when seymour smashed rothlisberger . & i loved it when my neighbor beat up the mailman 2 years ago. cus im a outcast . ive been labeled wierd. im a gat damn raider!!
October 19th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I liked the trade for Palmer …. but how many times have you heard stories about al davis calling former players and making sure their OK??? That’s the real raider way… he was compassionate with his players… that’s why They loved the old Guy…. once that kinda stuff stops… the Oakland Raiders will be an ordinary football team…. I don’t want that to happen. ..
October 19th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I said positive (and negative) stuff about Al when he was alive. He’d want us to win, no doubt. But this isn’t your (grand)father’s Raiders. Hue has put people on notice and I like it, he just isn’t afraid to throw people under the bus and its gonna rub people wrong. Glad he’s coaching my team and not against it you know?
October 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Still haven’t figured out why CP walked out on the Bengals. He’s always had good receivers and a decent running game. He lobbied for TO and Mike Brown went right out and signd him. He was paid well. The team must be pretty good, it’s 4-2. Does anyone really know what the problem is? We better keep him happy. With everything we gave up to get him, he’s got some serious leverage.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Time for “Inside the NFL” folks. Remember last year when Tom Cable refused to be a guest? lolololol
later
October 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Since we are playing the lowly Chefs, I would start Boller on Sunday and let Palmer get up to speed with the bye next week, 2 weeks to get him ready to crush Denver. Boller can hand the Ball to DMac as well as anyone, and I don’t really think its necessary to throw Palmer in right away. If Boller stinks the place up, you can always pull him at halftime. If Palmer himself admits to being pretty rusty, maybe he should work that rust off before he gets injured because they rushed him into things.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Don’t be an idiot Dorian. … hue should atleast let jc know… hey hurry up and get healthy… we still need you… instead he threw him under the buss …. al davis was loyal… you dumb ass!! That’s How this organization will start to change…. I love the Raiders. .. and hue and al Saunders should just be a little bit more classy that’s all….
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2 things Ghost:
1) Campbell was in surgery, most likely under heavy anesthesia, and Hue had less than 48 hours with the trade deadline looming, in order to pull off arguably the NFL trade of the decade. He had to make a decision, and make it fast.
2)How do any of US KNOW what type of communication has gone on between Hue and Jason since yesterday?
Hue made it very clear that he was happy with Jason’s performance, and that this would not have happened this season or in this manner if Jason had not gotten injured. Now that is on the record, straight from the proverbial John Elway’s mouth.
These comments about Hue backstabbing and abandoning Jason are groundless without any evidence or knowledge of the facts whatsoever!
October 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Chiefs play us better in Oakland, than Arrowhead (for whatever reason).
It wouldn’t matter if it is Boller starting, Palmer or even Soup.
This will not be an easy game.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
Deb… that Bengal team was as dysfunctional as ever…. drug use.. dui”s by players…. domestic violence. .. all kinds of crap…. Carson just got tired of it… you had the prisoners running the asylum. … that coach had lost complete control of that team… most of Palmer’s xtmates have nothing but praise for him.. he just wanted out! !.. and I can’t blame him..
October 19th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
dont disrespect other teams that u think are inferior on this blog cus its causes bad vibes in the football universe. really,. when we sucked i used to go on other teams blog and theyd be like ” its jus the sorry raiders ” then those would be the games wed win
October 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Twocents Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
It is interesting that some people on here espouse a free market economy in football but don’t want it to apply to their occupation.
In a free market you sell your skills to the highest bidder. You fulfill your contract. Based on your performance, you are offered another contract or you are sent out on the open market to find another employer. No matter what your occupation is, it is a competition.
If you can’t compete then lower your expectations.
I’m sorry, but that is the way life is, or should be.
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Man you really need to study history.
And no I don’t mean Glenn Beck revisionist history
October 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Armchair. … perhaps your correct…. but we all know Campbell’s career here is over…. and if palmer gets hurt… seeing hue and Saunders run to jc’s side is going to make me throw up!! … just saying!,
October 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
& still to this day , when the raiders win , the other teams fan say things such as ” ths is the most embarrasing loss ever ” – jets blog , ” i got a sick feelin from watchin us blow that game ” – texans blog . still no respect from the national fanbase
October 19th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Campbell is a class act. He worked hard and showed leadership. If he wants to come back next year as a backup I would be glad to have him, but I suspect he will go to some other team who needs a qb and doesn’t win the suck for Luck sweepstakes and be a starter. I really like Campbell but he didn’t throw deep accurately on a team that has great speed recievers, and he made three bonehead turnovers in under six games this year.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
These comments about Hue backstabbing and abandoning Jason are groundless without any evidence or knowledge of the facts whatsoever!
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back stabbing is not applicable. Our qb went down, more than likley out for the season. Hu jack needed to fill the spot he did better than just fill it he locked in another every good player for years to come.
Hu jack must beleieve that hte team is good enough to challenge now, and next year as well. Why wait to see if jc can regain his health and his form? It doesnt work that way in sports. Ask ki jana carter, or bernard king or dominique wilkens
October 19th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
I said positive (and negative) stuff about Al when he was alive. He’d want us to win, no doubt. But this isn’t your (grand)father’s Raiders. Hue has put people on notice and I like it, he just isn’t afraid to throw people under the bus and its gonna rub people wrong. Glad he’s coaching my team and not against it you know?
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No more scholarships, huh? “A production business” Accountability.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
yeah . we loved al. like evry person that ever lived al davis had issues. he kept players on the team that shouldnt be . im actually glad he kept schillens cus i always believed in him . but its time to return to glory to greatness. & has the right mindset
October 19th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I liked Campbell as our QB. But, I like Palmer better. JC’s biggest problem, besides the occasional dumb turnover, was his inability to hit receivers down field. He is too cautious. Palmer can make those throws. It should really open up the offense. Most importantly, teams won’t be able to stack up against the run. I wish JC well and hope he finds another starting gig with another team. He’s better than anything Seattle has.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
A Raider Love Story
Jason is the nice guy next door.
Raiders are the hot chick he’s after but she’s in love with a another boy who is already in a committed relationship.
Finally Jason asks the hot chick out and she says yes.
The relationship starts out slowly. Hot chick is slow to forget her true love, but slowly warms up to Jason.
One day Jason asks hot chick to the prom and she says yes.
A few days before prom Jason is in accident and hospitalized.
Hot Chick comes to visit Jason at the hospital and tells Jason that 1) Her True Love is no longer in a committed relationship 2) Her True Love has pledged his love and desire to be with Hot Chick, 3) Hot Chick has decided to leave Jason, go to the prom with True Love and be his girlfirend.
Hot Chick thanks Jason for being so sweet and hopes they can still be friends.
True story….
October 19th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Armchair. … perhaps your correct…. but we all know Campbell’s career here is over…. and if palmer gets hurt… seeing hue and Saunders run to jc’s side is going to make me throw up!! … just saying!,
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How do we know that Campbell’s CAREER here is over. Now granted, his starting position here may be over, but as for his CAREER? Alot of that has to do with him and his willingness to accept being a backup.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Still haven’t figured out why CP walked out on the Bengals. He’s always had good receivers and a decent running game. He lobbied for TO and Mike Brown went right out and signd him. He was paid well. The team must be pretty good, it’s 4-2. Does anyone really know what the problem is? We better keep him happy. With everything we gave up to get him, he’s got some serious leverage.
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It was because of Mike Brown. The Bengals are probably the worst organization in the NFL.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
A Raider Love Story
Jason is the nice guy next door.
Raiders are the hot chick he’s after but she’s in love with a another boy who is already in a committed relationship.
Finally Jason asks the hot chick out and she says yes.
The relationship starts out slowly. Hot chick is slow to forget her true love, but slowly warms up to Jason.
One day Jason asks hot chick to the prom and she says yes.
A few days before prom Jason is in accident and hospitalized.
Hot Chick comes to visit Jason at the hospital and tells Jason that 1) Her True Love is no longer in a committed relationship 2) Her True Love has pledged his love and desire to be with Hot Chick, 3) Hot Chick has decided to leave Jason, go to the prom with True Love and be his girlfirend.
Hot Chick thanks Jason for being so sweet and hopes they can still be friends.
True story….
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Hahaha
October 19th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
That back shoulder throw, seems to be all the rage now. Never seen Campbell attempt it.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
i think we will see a new slow secondary now….
October 19th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
Still at a loss how you fans are tossing a guy under the bus that just won some games for this team and got the smell of defeat lifted out of the building.
Was JC the best QB? Nope. Was he “elite”? Nope. Did he give this team a legit chance to win in every game this year and most of the games last year? Yes!
If you don’t have any sympathy for what the guy is going through…you are either a rich kid that never went through anything…or a slacker that NEVER tried in his/her life.
JC steadily got better…was a leader when the team had none at the position…and he helped get those receivers up to speed.
I will always be a JC fan going forward.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Debo You’re telling me you haven’r heard about the drama that circulated that team for seems like forever. Jail birds and drugs and alcohol like crazy it seems every player was on the police blodder and they just tolerated it. No one ever got cut even the coach was way to tolerant of waywardness if you are a serious professional and you want to win that is very ahrd to deal with all the distractions on a constant basis. Football seemed secondary there. He got sick of it and wanted out lots of players wanted out. He just had the balls to actually do it.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
and when he got benched “deservedly so” last year…guy handled it with class and focused on getting better.
Tell your freekn kids to follow that kids example
October 19th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
I have one thing on my wish list for Jason Campbell while he is rehabbing.
PLEASE LEARN HOW TO PROPERLY EXECUTE AN NFL QB SLIDE!!!
From his first start against the Titans, til now, this dude cannot execute a slide properly to save his life!
Please fix that Jason!
October 19th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
yes, thank u frikkin jason campbell 4 bein a class act . ok . ok ? but uhh, its carson palmer time in oakland dude. we all respect j campbell 7 wut he did. now we have wut could be a top 6 qb in the entire n.f.l. lets go!!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 6:37 pm
Jason helped us get hid of Jamarcus. That along he deserves to be in the Raider HOF.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Silverback, you don’t want competition in your occupation? Explain your reasoning.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Doriangray Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
what al saunders comments should tell u is that real football people know top tier talent when they see it . why do u think jay cutler will stay in chicago no matter what ? hes the best qb they ever had, in their franchises history! the oakland raiders staff , water boys. hell janitors , amy trask nobody has seen a qb wit palmers natural ability in decades
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True.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I still fail to see what makes Palmer so great. Please, show me the tape.
and don’t bring me any bull**** highlights either that hide all his flaws.
lol everyone jumps on the bandwagon so easy here.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
Siverback, what does Glenn Beck have to do with anything? You don’t like GB, I don’t like GB. So again, you feel entitled to some priviledge granted by the government. How do justify that?
October 19th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Silverback, I’m trying to understand your position. Please don’t make me wait allnight.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
293. NO, the ultra rich feel entitled to priviledge granted by “OUR” Government.
OCCUPY
October 19th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Tricky70390 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I still fail to see what makes Palmer so great. Please, show me the tape.
and don’t bring me any bull**** highlights either that hide all his flaws.
lol everyone jumps on the bandwagon so easy here.
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Palmer is in the honeymoon period right now. I tend to agree with you…I think he’s a good QB but people on here think he’s worlds better than JC and some posts have this guy as a top 5 QB.
I think he’s a good QB and will probably perform at a similiar level to Campbell this year. If he becomes elite again, it won’t happen till next year. Guy coming off the street, hasn’t played in 10 months and working with new players.
Again, the Raider in my opinion insured good QB play for this year…..Great? I gotta see it first.
October 19th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
palmer was a pro bowl qb with hue as his coach…
October 19th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
#290
What you were espousing your post goes well beyond competition in the
workplace and I think you are aware of that.This blog is not a place for political discussion.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
292.Tricky70390 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
I still fail to see what makes Palmer so great. Please, show me the tape.
and don’t bring me any bull**** highlights either that hide all his flaws.
lol everyone jumps on the bandwagon so easy here.
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Palmer threw for almost 4,000 yards and 26 touchdowns for a bad Cinci team last year.
Imagine what he will be like with Darren McFadden’s running game.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
GoodOle00, let’s occupy the federal reserve, the shthds in the government and the bureaucrats that feed off the taxpayers. But you have to realize that you will not receive any government benefits. Are you with me?
October 19th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
niners still blow ass.
Oakland 35
KC ass wipes 10
October 19th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Palmer has taken his team to the playoffs (twice), Soup hasn’t.
He has lead the league in TD passes, and posted over a 100 QB rating. Soup has never got anywhere close to that.
And not that long ago, 2009, he swept his divison, which included the Ravens and Steelers.
Palmer is a massive upgrade over about 75% of the QB’s in this league straight off his coach (including Soup) and within a few weeks will be better than about all but 6 or 7 QB’s in the league.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
niners blow so much as you’d think they’d a choked by now. but I guess they wash it all down with the large amount of dick slurpin they do.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Tricky… how old are you??? I hope You’re under 18 yrs old… if not your a fool!!! Carson Palmer is an excellent qb… You will feel like a dumbass when you see him play!!
October 19th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
First timer. Lover the Palmer deal. Just what we need to get over the top. SB bound baby!
October 19th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Kirk,
He also threw 20 INTs that year. His QB rating the last 4 years is 20, 4, 13, 20.
2005-06 was 6-7 years ago…when he could be considered “elite”
I think right now he’s a good QB and has been such for the last few years.
So I am not trashing Carson Palmer and I think the pick secures AT LEAST a level of play that JC would have achieved and keeps the team in the playoff hunt THIS year….whether he becomes great is to be seen
October 19th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
I for one am ready to see palmer get right in there. maybe boller start one half, but make no mistake, he is on fast track to be the #1.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Tricky is prob JC’s fiancee or family.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Silverback, you told me to study history. I have. And now you don’t want to discuss it?
October 19th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
“He threw 20, 4, 13, 20″ INTs the last four years
October 19th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Seymour was someone who supposedly was past his prime, and someone we gave up too much to acquire (according to the talking heads).
Look how that turned out?
October 19th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
306.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Kirk,
He also threw 20 INTs that year. His QB rating the last 4 years is 20, 4, 13, 20.
2005-06 was 6-7 years ago…when he could be considered “elite”
I think right now he’s a good QB and has been such for the last few years.
So I am not trashing Carson Palmer and I think the pick secures AT LEAST a level of play that JC would have achieved and keeps the team in the playoff hunt THIS year….whether he becomes great is to be seen
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When your team is 4-12, you are going to throw a lot of picks trying to bring them back at the end of games.
Palmer doesn’t have to carry the team. All he has to do is be good for a couple of years before Pryor takes over.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
63.DMAC Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Though Kyle Boller took the first starter’s rep at Raiders practice Wednesday, Carson Palmer “quickly” took over the first-team offense and is on track to start in Week 7 against the Chiefs.
The Raiders deferred to Boller for the initial rep because he’s been on the team, but there’s little doubt that even a “limited” Palmer provides Oakland its best chance to win. Even if Palmer hands the ball off 40 times, he’d cause more concern for a defense. Boller is 2-11 in his last 13 NFL starts. He’s always been more of a threat to lose a game for his team than manage a win.
Related: Kyle Boller
Source: Jerry McDonald on Twitter
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I’m sorry, but if Boller is THIS horrible what the heck is he doing on the team in the first flippin’ place?
October 19th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
JFB,
C’mon, you’ve watched enough football to know that QBs just don’t join a team and light it up.
He is more likely to be “good” than “great” this year…..timing, chemistry etc….
You all really think he’s going to be GREAT this year? Tom Brady? Aaron Rogers? That’s GREAT.
Good is more appropriate.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
jc cant hit a deep pass to save his job…at least that level? kyle orton is at least that level…palmer is an upgrade throwing left handed!
October 19th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
Amy and Mark are doin a great job. Al probably gave them total reign on the team because he knew he tempered them well, and he probably told them that Hue Jack is the man and all is now well in Raider Nation. Al Davis did right, and he put everything in order in a good way, and saw to it that it was done, cause he knew the Lord was calling for him to come home.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
olinesux Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
jc cant hit a deep pass to save his job…at least that level? kyle orton is at least that level…palmer is an upgrade throwing left handed!
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Even Kyle Boller managed to hit a deep one to Schilens last week toward the sidelines. We dont need much to win here. Looking forward to our WR catching the ball in stride instead of waiting for it.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
JFB,
Seymour was replacing a situation that was TOTALLY UNACCEPTABLE…..this team couldn’t play good defense without Seymour.
My ONLY issue with the Carson deal is I believe the price was too steep.
I believe its a good deal for THIS year because Carson will give the Raiders decent to good QB play whereas Boller and Pryor would have tanked the team
October 19th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Kyle Orton’s backside is sitting on the bench…lost game after game after game.
Man, listening to some here you would think JC was JaBust or McCown
October 19th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Palmer has taken his team to the playoffs (twice), Soup hasn’t.
He has lead the league in TD passes, and posted over a 100 QB rating. Soup has never got anywhere close to that.
And not that long ago, 2009, he swept his divison, which included the Ravens and Steelers.
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2009 was also the year Cedric Benson had a career year along with an improved defense. Palmer will excel with DMAC here.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
how many tds did he throw those years? that being said boller is not as bad as the move implies, i think it means hue wanted his guy in…
October 19th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
Tricky… how old are you??? I hope You’re under 18 yrs old… if not your a fool!!! Carson Palmer is an excellent qb… You will feel like a dumbass when you see him play!!
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lol this guy serious? I’m old enough to know Palmer hasn’t been a top 5 QB in over 6 years.
I’m old enough to know Jason Campbell has taken his team to the playoffs (once) unlike someone else said, and has won the same amount of games as Palmer, that number being zero.
Palmer put up yards for sure last years, mostly due in part that he hurt his team as much as he helped them, turning the ball over 23 times to go with his 26 touchdown.
Some of you people are pathetic, seriously. Pathetic, blind homers. That fail to to keep things in perspective, and jump at the sight of a new face every time. I’m keeping it real with you. I know it’s fun to be excited about the shiny new toy, but I’m warning yall. Keep your expectations in check or you will be disappointed.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
And I’m not saying Palmer is garbage but holy f he’s not as amazing as some of your make him out to be.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
SnB,
Do I think Carson is going to be Aaron Roders “GREAT”??
Of course not.
I think he can be better than every QB in the NFL not named, Brees, Rodgers, Brady and probably Eli.
His peers are Matt Ryan, Rivers, Big Ben and those types.
Soup peers are along the Marc Sanchez, Joe Flacco, Kevin Kolb types.
We just elevated our QB play into a different tier we could only dream of previous to Sunday.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
I’m old enough to know Jason Campbell has taken his team to the playoffs (once) unlike someone else said,
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That would be incorrect.
The year the Skins made the playoff, they were 6-6 under Soup, and he got hurt.
Todd Collins went 4-0 to finish the year, and played in the playoff game.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
A good back up made JC nervous looking over his shoulder. Boller is expendable.
#1 Palmer
#2 Campbell (after her returns with 1 year contract)
#3 Pryour (will be #2 in 2013) (#1 in 14 or 15)
October 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Tricky70390 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
And I’m not saying Palmer is garbage but holy f he’s not as amazing as some of your make him out to be.
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Yes he is.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
JFB,
Interesting that you are pretty high on Eli. I’d take She Said No over Eli.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Soup had 19 TD’s to 14 turnovers here in the Silver and Black.
Let’s not act like as if Palmer has a huge hurdle to clear to improve our QB play.
Soup is 18th in the league in QB rating right now, and his rating is slightly lower than Palmer’s last year, which seems to considered his worst year of his career.
So statistically speaking, Carson Palmer’s WORST EVER YEAR, is still better than Soup circa 2011.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Except for an injury shortened season in 2007, Palmer has had at least 3k+ yds each year with 18 to 32 TD’s per year. I’d say that would be AMAZING stats in Raiderland QB for the past 7 yrs.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
JFB,
Interesting that you are pretty high on Eli.
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I said many years ago on here (before Eli won his) that Eli would win more bowls than Peyton.
He has the clutch gene his brother doesn’t have, and is lighting it up this year.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
High Plains Drifter Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Tricky70390 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
And I’m not saying Palmer is garbage but holy f he’s not as amazing as some of your make him out to be.
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Yes he is.
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Okay. I’m done here.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
JFB,
Fair post #324. However, I think Rivers is an elite QB.
Big Ben and Matt Ryan are elite at times…but are mostly just good QBs.
I think with Palmer its going to take him a year before we see the possibility of elite. I just think the league is hard enough AND the Raider receivers are still kinda young and inexperienced.
Again, Palmer will get you good QB play…like Eli and what Big Ben has done this year. That will take the team to the playoffs…but I think JC would have taken them their too.
I agree with the JC peer group although I think he’s better than Sanchez.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
I dont believe Palmer needs to be amazing to take this team deep.
Just make those 2 or 3 throws a game that JC cant or wouldnt make.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Ya’ll mighty funny in here. Palmer was a good pick up. Love my man Campbell, but he could never get the ball downfield enough. He tried but wasn’t always succesful. But Palmer is hungry today, and he’s gonna eat Bollers lunch. Palmer is on a quick pace to be the #1. He is that good folks. Who the f()ck else you wanta see in there……………Oh Yeah,……………………..PERIOD!
October 19th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
Sanchez has been clutch when needed. I have seen him marched his team for the winning shot a few times. His stats improve dramatically in the playoffs. The reason why I never liked JC….panics and aint clutch.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
JFB,
Fair post #324. However, I think Rivers is an elite QB.
Big Ben and Matt Ryan are elite at times…but are mostly just good QBs.
I think with Palmer its going to take him a year before we see the possibility of elite. I just think the league is hard enough AND the Raider receivers are still kinda young and inexperienced.
Again, Palmer will get you good QB play…like Eli and what Big Ben has done this year. That will take the team to the playoffs…but I think JC would have taken them their too.
I agree with the JC peer group although I think he’s better than Sanchez.
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You have made the most sense out of everyone here.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Campbell could not throw the ball downfield to save his life.
Time after time, wide receivers would break open deep, and Campbell would miss them.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:37 pm
Palmer is a much better qb than campbell…. Palmer is so much more accurate and has all the touch campbell never had…. He is a definite upgrade…. Now u will see a real NFL qb dropping the ball right in his recievers arms in full stride…. Campbell fAiled to do so everytime on the deep ball… Overthrows, bad angles, and bad timing were his specialty on the deep ball…. Last year he got lucky on maybe 2….. But 0 for this year… A good NFL qb cam drop that ball in he bread basket at will…. And if u have read any of my comments u will remember my motto for any solid NFL player is if u got it from day 1 half the battle is won… Campbell never had it, worked his tail off and was a hell of a teammate…. But Carson has always had it even with a bum elbow and not wanting to play for the team u feel betrayed u, and still put up those numbers and deliver the ball with outstanding accuracy…. yeah he had 20 picks but he is a slinger…. And I want a damn gunslinging fighter on my squad not some pea shooter named Soup or Boller who shoots nothing but blanks….. Long live AL…. Ur RAIDERS are in damn good hands and it’s evident through these teansactions…… Win now….. Lose never…..
October 19th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
aig-raiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Except for an injury shortened season in 2007, Palmer has had at least 3k+ yds each year with 18 to 32 TD’s per year. I’d say that would be AMAZING stats in Raiderland QB for the past 7 yrs.
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4-12 his last year…like JFB rightly says about JC…how many of Carson’s yards were in garbage time.
For the record…I like the deal and the potential..price was steep..but so be it…the Raiders are a better team.
But maybe its me, but rarely are free agents as good or as the feckle fan base thinks. I think he’s good…just not great.
QB Ratings: 101, 94, 87, 69, 83, 82
that’s not great…that good
October 19th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
Sanchez looks awful a lot of the times, but go look at his playoff starts and numbers.
I think he set the NFL record for highest QB rating for a rookie in a road playoff game.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:40 pm
His throw to bush against the jets was pretty sweet.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Price WAS steep.
That is the only debate here.
Did we pay too much?
The QB position was upgraded, ranging from slightly to massively (and probably settling somewhere in the middle).
October 19th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
Wow, the “occupy” talk has made it to this blog huh? Good.
For all of you interested, you need to watch the youtube videos from “Anonymous” to see what the occupation was really supposed to be about. Now it has gotten too mainstream and so people with political interests have made their way into it and began trying to swing it one way or another.
But becareful, because there are some videos out there that claim to be from Anonymous but are not. Example is the one someone put out about them taking down the NYSE website, which Anonymous came out and denied the claim.
Either way, this movement is about greed and corruption within the financial system and government. It is not supposed to be against capitalism itself, but the corruption and greed people get caught up in when trying to make more money than they will ever need.
There’s nothing wrong about working hard, making something out of nothing, and then being able to have a good life as a result of your smart and hard work. But when you take that and begin using it to manipulate your way into more power and tax breaks at the expense of others, that is when something needs to be done about it.
But like I said, there’s people now like George Soros and Michail Moore that are trying to put a face to this movement and give it some kind of leftist agenda. When in fact, the movement was never intended to have a “face”, well aside from the Guy Fawke mask that is.
But it is true what some of you have said, the real places that need to be Occupied should be the Federal Reserve and the White House. Doesn’t matter who is in there, as long as it’s someone that is honest and that has the people’s best interest in mind, and not some corporation that has paid their way into the law makings and dealings of the government.
There’s a video out there about some private investor guy that gave an interview to the BBC. If you can find it, watch it. In it he states that the governments don’t rule the world, but that Goldman-Sachs rules the world. Wasn’t joking either, but hinting that the politics of the world have been taking over by greedy corporations.
This movement was about and for the citizens of the world. With no leader, just a collective movement by all of us.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
Ahh just play Palmer on Sunday, after all its the chiefs so it’ll be like a practice anyway…
October 19th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
SnB,
I always crack up at you guys on a QB’s wins/loss in one season can be waaayyyy overrated. JC had a wonderful game against Buff this year but are you going to blame that loss on JC? I doubt it. Palmer has been 11-5 and 10-6 with the Steelers and Ravens in his division. I will wait to see if you guys blame JC for the loss in Buff.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
His throw to bush against the jets was pretty sweet.
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Great throw.
Probably his best with us.
He can put it on his highlight cutup when looking for another gig.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Just make those 2 or 3 throws a game that JC cant or wouldnt make.
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Completely agree. Jason Campbell was a good teammate, a hard worker, and a class act. He also played pretty well. But let’s face facts. He also left points out there.
If Palmer is as good as everyone thinks (and, let’s be honest, hopes) he is, our offense will score at least 7 more points per game. That’s huge.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
One more note…. Was at the game with a great view….. Campbell was bound to get hurt… When he tucks that ball and starts running he is liability to himself and the team… Instead of sliding like he’s going into second, he dives like he is pete rose and he launches himself into injury and a turnover…. Noticed it a few times this year but in this gAme he really was a klutz once he went for the slide….
October 19th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
Cincinnati Record
2005: 11-5
2006: 8-8
2007: 7-9
2008: 4-11-1
2009: 10-6
2010: 4-12
2011: 4-2 without Carson
So, the numbers don’t really mean all that much when winning is all that matters. He had a couple of good receivers in Housh, Ocho and the receiver that passed away….and Benson, Rudi Johnson etc running the football.
Look, I SUPPORT THE SIGING OF CARSON…you all are just jumping off the deep end in my opinion.
I hate splicing stats…because stats in football rarely tell the whole story…like JFB points out about JC’s garbage time yards.
But let’s just not crown the guy Lamonica or Brady until he’s done something.
You are also discounting the “youth” in the receiver corps that still exists. And by youth I am quite sure that on the film the Raider receivers still look young. Carson will have to continue to mentor them and be patient with them
October 19th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
nB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
JFB,
C’mon, you’ve watched enough football to know that QBs just don’t join a team and light it up.
He is more likely to be “good” than “great” this year…..timing, chemistry etc….
You all really think he’s going to be GREAT this year? Tom Brady? Aaron Rogers? That’s GREAT.
Good is more appropriate.
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This is what we need! Good…not great…instead of average. He will take us to a new level…whether that is far in the playoffs remains to be seen
October 19th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
1eyedpirate Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
One more note…. Was at the game with a great view….. Campbell was bound to get hurt… When he tucks that ball and starts running he is liability to himself and the team… Instead of sliding like he’s going into second, he dives like he is pete rose and he launches himself into injury and a turnover…. Noticed it a few times this year but in this gAme he really was a klutz once he went for the slide….
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JC is terrible as a scrambler. Just terrible.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I guess we will just have to stay tuned………..
I believe Carson will be a damn near immediate upgrade.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:51 pm
He can put it on his highlight cutup when looking for another gig.
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Better QB’s in this league has a few hilite throws per game. JC has 2 so far this season…unless he wants to use the one where DHB caught it with his thighs.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
I also have the same response when you guys crown mid to late round picks and rookie free agents as stars and superstars in their first year.
The NFL is so freekn competitive.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
oakland 45
kc 10
October 19th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
# High Plains Drifter Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
A good back up made JC nervous looking over his shoulder. Boller is expendable.
#1 Palmer
#2 Campbell (after her returns with 1 year contract)
#3 Pryour (will be #2 in 2013) (#1 in 14 or 15)
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What makes you think he’ll come back. He will probably be the most sought after free agent QB.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
I guess we will just have to stay tuned………..
I believe Carson will be a damn near immediate upgrade.
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I could be named the Raider starter off the commode on Sunday morning and you would have said that I am an immediate upgrade over JC — you never liked the guy from the moment they signed him.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
JFB,
In fairness to you….you were consistent on JC
October 19th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
this is the simple truth:
jc always just kinda looked a little awkward. the qb position is incredibly hard in the nfl. to be 6′4″, solidly built, and have fluid athleticism, along with a calm-under-pressure demeanor, and God-given hand eye accuracy is very rare. campbell was close. he had a lot of the measureables, but really just was never going to quite look and feel like a “real” qb. we know what that means, right? it’s the guy who looks like qb’s we’ve all watched over the years succeed. palmer is that guy. just watch his presence. he’s big, smooth, calm, accurate, decisive. we have a proven very good qb now.
someone posted a great post, earlier. they said, if we had traded the exact picks for next year’s #1, insuring we get luck, we would be seen as huge winners. however, while lock “appears” to be the next big thing, so have a lot of qb’s who killed it in college and sucked or were just mediocre in the pros. instead of drafting a rookie who may or may not pan out and would potentially take several years to do so, we have acquired a qb that we know has big talent and we know has panned out. he’s only 32 and that means he can still produce for several years. we have our youngster in the wings. to me, this was a great trade, and i don’t care what any dumbazz pundit says. they’re just writers, and i know more about the game than just about any of them. this completed our picture. it made us contenders. hue is going for the crown and i love it!
October 19th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
just saying jacantbell couldnt win a game from behind (ne) but palmer can
October 19th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
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October 19th, 2011 at 7:56 pm
Now on to football.
I don’t know what to make of this trade.
Is it an upgrade? Sure it is.
Did we pay too much? yet to be seen.
The only thing that gets me is the Risk vs. Reward over Value factor. I think the risk is a bit too high for what we paid for him. The reward, if it pans out, would be worth it, but when you think of the odds of Palmer coming in and being his old self of 06-07, they are not too good. But it has happened before, and Hue claims to know the man. So all we can do is trust Hue’s judgement about him and wait and see how this all plays out.
I am sure hoping it works out. So far, Hue has done nothing to make me doubt him, in fact he has done the opposite. So I’m going with Hue on this.
GO RAIDERS!
PS – This is one of those Al Davis moves everyone questions, let’s just hope it turns out to be more like the Seymour trade, than the Randy Moss one.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
more like seymour or moss?
who does palmer seem more like?
October 19th, 2011 at 7:57 pm
Agree this is a good trade. it would have been a bad place if we didn’t have talented young players, we have young talent on the o line, young talent at the RB position, young talent on the line, young talent at the LB, and secondary. The only potential need for young talent is in the DT position.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
olinesux Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
just saying jacantbell couldnt win a game from behind (ne) but palmer can
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Let’s not just p&ss on JCs wins the last 18 or so games.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
I also have the same response when you guys crown mid to late round picks and rookie free agents as stars and superstars in their first year.
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Speaking of crowns lets hope Palmer can fit the ball into the slight seperation gained
by Denarius Moore.
October 19th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Im not crowning Palmer yet but know he is better than campbell… I dont care about stats or wins…. When they play on the field who lOoks better and can deliver that ball in the strike
Zone…. That’s all that matters can u throw it or not…. Palmer has a beautiful delivery and throws a pretty ball… He is cy young material and Campbell goes back to the minors….
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Silverback,
I am sure that the Raider receivers have also received coaching the last few weeks of how to run sideline routes and give the QB enough room to work…..
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Priest I agree with you about Carson Palmer.
Tee guy is a top 10 QB over the last decade period. And when he is healthy I think he is a top 5 QB in this league.
Is Peyton Manning mobile? How about Brady, or Rivers?
You don’t have to be a running, scrambling QB to be effective. You just have to have good pocket awareness, good feet in the pocket, and a quick release. Palmer has all of those things.
Furthermore, if a team had packaged the exact same picks that the Raiders did, in order to acquire the rights to Andrew Luck next season, the whole league would be calling them brilliant.
That’s one of the problems with the NFL. Too many people salivate over an unproven rookie PROSPECT, that hasn’t taken ONE NFL snap yet, than a PROVEN and tested NFL vet.
Sounds completely backwards to me.
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Great post!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I was just starting to turn on Soup (in his favor) until the Pats game.
That, to me, reinstituted everything I always worried about him.
He wasn’t ready for the moment, and even though it was just a regular season game in October, the moment just seemed too big for him.
Could have been my tinted glasses, but that’s how I saw it, and apparently Hue was right with me.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Coach Davis done right by his man HueJax and the vigilance and the diligence of President Amy Trask and Owner Mark Davis. Coach should be mighty proud.
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October 19th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Very excited about having CARSON PALMER…
Raider Nation let’s not forget about the depths that Jason brought us from.He was after JaWalrus and Mr Davis loved the guy.
Let’s show our support by flooding Raiders headquarters with GET WELL cards.What is the mailing addy to RAIDERS Headquarters?
October 19th, 2011 at 8:03 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
I was just starting to turn on Soup (in his favor) until the Pats game.
That, to me, reinstituted everything I always worried about him.
He wasn’t ready for the moment, and even though it was just a regular season game in October, the moment just seemed too big for him.
Could have been my tinted glasses, but that’s how I saw it, and apparently Hue was right with me.
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Agree with you. I respect Campell and wish him the best, but that was the game that I thought we were one and done in the playoffs. With Palmer we get deep playoff runs.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
I know nobody cares, and baseball is dying in front of my eyes, but this is going to be a great World Series, that I see going 7, with mostly all of them exciting baseball games.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
He seems to be more like Seymour, but I have no idea really because I have not been following his career that closely to be honest. Aside from what everybody knows about him, I don’t really know much about his character or drive.
I was just saying I hope this really turns out to be the best trade in football, as stated by you know who.
But like I said, Hue has done nothing but give me hope and confidence about this team and his ability to lead it to respectability and relevance. So I’m all in.
GO RAIDERS!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
1eyedpirate Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
Im not crowning Palmer yet but know he is better than campbell… I dont care about stats or wins…. When they play on the field who lOoks better and can deliver that ball in the strike
Zone…. That’s all that matters can u throw it or not…. Palmer has a beautiful delivery and throws a pretty ball… He is cy young material and Campbell goes back to the minors….
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Don’t ever discount wins though…..You gotta win games and the fact that the Bengals were up and down with fairly good offensive weapons is a concern of mine.
Look, I am always going to have a wary eye for free agents. Cause teams don’t generally get rid of QBs that are truly great in their prime.
Albeit, the Bengals case was somewhat different. However, if Tom Brady were “holding out” I am sure he would have received 2 1st round picks before the trade deadline from a team that lost its own starter.
Carson is a good QB and the Raiders on Madden 12 should be outstanding!
Now they gotta put it on tape!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
i like jc. he’ll find a job next year. he’ll make a marginal starter or a good backup.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
SnB,
This isn’t about Palmer being Brady or Rogers.
To me, it’s simply about him being able to hit those long balls more consistantly, way more consistantly than Campbell could.
I hope we run the exact same offense where we feature the running game, and occasionally throw it over the top. We need to keep hitting DHBeast, Moore, and Ford on shorter routes on play action.
Palmer needs to be nothing more than a game manager with all the talent that is around him.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Palmer needs to be nothing more than a game manager with all the talent that is around him.
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It would be nice for raider qb to throw a crossing route without an interception or a reciever getting beheaded.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
369.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Silverback,
I am sure that the Raider receivers have also received coaching the last few weeks of how to run sideline routes and give the QB enough room to work…..
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This reminds me of a name that has been dragged over the coals but not mentioned in a while… Sanjay Lal! Is this man a big part of our WR’s, dHB especially, success?
October 19th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Jhill,
True enough….but the test is how the Raiders play when DMAC is shut down and the defense reprises its mid 2000s form….
I know JC couldn’t win those games…like the Steelers or Ravens….those are the teams Palmer will be measured to in my opinion.
JC could beat the teams that the Raiders are supposed too…and teams with bad defenses.
Palmer is here to win the games that JC tended not to be able to win.
And that will mean more than just hitting the long balls and managing the game
In my opinion
October 19th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
Remember that Hue used to be WR coach in cincy with Ocho and the likes. DHBs development I bet has to do with him more so than with Sanjay.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Somebody on here said Carson got a lot of his stats from garbage time last year in Cinci. I just did a little research and the Bengals scored an avg of 6.42 points in the 4th qtr for all their 12 losses. So let’s put that theory to rest. Actually, you’d be surprised at how close their games were in those losses.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Hue mentioned how he recruited Carson from high school while at USC. I wonder if Al has been watching Hue’s career since then (or before) and snagged him from B-more right when he felt he was ready to advance and OBVIOUSLY, last year was all the evidence he needed to name Hue his succesor?
October 19th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
338.Kirk Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Campbell could not throw the ball downfield to save his life.
Time after time, wide receivers would break open deep, and Campbell would miss them.
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Yes sir, we’ve seen the last of Jason “Pastorini” Campbell!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
DHBs emergence, besides Terripin and Priest willing him to success, has been the Raiders using him more consistently on short routes and quick throws.
Instead of forcing the deep routes, which made his double moves comical, DHB has been used wisely by taking what the defense gives him.
Soon, real soon, those corners are going to get tired of his 8 catch games and go after the shorter throws…then and only then…will the double moves work and the deep game open up for him.
So playcalling adjustments have helped and also DHB holding the ball and gaining the QBs confidence has helped too
October 19th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Hue inquired about the job the year Al hired Kitten. Al said no. Imagine if we had Hue since then. I’ll venture out on a limb and say Jawalrus might have turned out ok since Hue/Jawalrus might have understood each other better.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
375.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
I know nobody cares, and baseball is dying in front of my eyes, but this is going to be a great World Series, that I see going 7, with mostly all of them exciting baseball games.
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I’m not too sure. This Rangers team tonight looks a lot like the team that got stuffed by the Giants, and the Cardinals starting pitching is weak!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Of course, I am excited that Carson Palmer has arrived. Guys, put one foot forward at a time. BEAT THE CHIEFS!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Hue/Jawalrus might have understood each other better
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Could anyone understand that drawl?
October 19th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Sometimes misinformation is the best information….When “Arson” torches the competition it will be an awesome sight….Of course with the new gunslinger out west, “Kit Carson” will be equally amazing….Question is, as fast as his gun is….Will we really see it…..
October 19th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
AIG,
When your team is 4-12…as we all should be well versed in after the last 8 years…you know your team is most likely behind in every game and overmatched.
The ball is flying against defense playing on their heels.
Look, I think Carson is a good QB and yes, he’s better than JC. How much better? Enough to make a difference, but not so much to be jaw dropping. The Raiders SHOULD go from average to top 15.
This offense still runs through DMAC..or at least should…so I don’t see Palmer tossing the rock 35x a game like Brady and co.
I am not crowning any vet free agent great…especially at QB. Seen way too much up and downs from free agents over the years to get too fired up about it.
Carson has the potential to get back to his form…IF he can do that than the Raiders will be very interesting.
I just don’t think the rust, chemistry etc…will be in full swing until next year.
This year will be more game managementish in my opinion…although, as JHILL points out…the deep ball should be much better.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
To point out just how far this team has come, I see one of the “topics” on NFLNetwork tonight is “Does Carson Palmer make the Raiders a Super Bowl contender”?
How long has it been since Raiders and Super Bowl have been mentioned in same sentence and have it be a legitimate topic meriting discussion and analysis?
I guess since 2002 when we were actually IN the SB.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
First of all let me say I was very pleased with the improvement in the 2 seasons JC was here. He did everything he was asked to do and was physically and mentally capable of doing. I don’t think that Jason was going to be able to “fix” the shortcomings left in his game tho.
Jason was fine when the first read was there and on those throws he got the ball out fairly well, even tho his release is not ideal for speed even when he made a quick decision. When forced into multiple reads Jason would hesitate even more to throw and this led to scrambling and running many times.
Jason is very athletic and did many good things with his feet but a QB’s job is to read the defense and find the mismatch quickly and get the ball out on time. It is not easy and it takes both a quick mind and reflexes and the physical skill to do it.
Guys like Brady, Brees, Rodgers (the best), Manning, maybe Rivers have the ability and the mental makeup to make those decisions and do the QB’s primary job which is to throw on passing downs.
I personally think that JC would NOT have been retained next year or at the very least a couple of vets would’ve been brought in to push him if these shortcomings lingered.
A good running game and oline will hide a lot of QB sins, but when the pressure is on and the quality of opponent goes up, that all goes away. The QB is stripped down to his ability to move the chains based on his quick “read and react” ability.
The “careful QB” becomes one who is just not willing to pull that trigger due to some lack of confidence or fear of failure, so they extend plays looking for something they are more comfortable with.
The “true field generals” have total confidence in their arms and such a command of the offense that there is no fear. They read and react pulling the trigger with no hesitation. No guarantee that JC wouldn’t have gotten better, but 8 years in the stripes are hard to hide.
Carson Palmer was a #1 overall pick because he is the protypical drop back passer. He is above all a “passing QB” when he runs it will truly be out of necessity, not because he lacks the killer instinct to pull that trigger.
Already people are talking about the “ball coming out quickly” so I have no doubt he will be behind center on Sunday. Carson Palmers release will be faster than JC’s even tho he doesn’t have the offense completely down. He will read and react and he may make some mistakes but I contend that his mental ability and physical skill will be enough to overcome this even on a short week. Once he gets comfortable which could easily be as soon as the Denver game, he will become lethal.
I have contended and still do that our offense has more talent across the board than ANY in the NFL. So how do the Brady’s and Rodgers’ out there keep scorching the scoreboard with less talent? They get the ball to the playmakers quickly and in a position to do the most damage.
This is the kind of QB Palmer is, it won’t take long to see it. He will make all of our talent come to fruition, and I’m sure that Hue is privately drooling over the possibilities. In the end I believe that HJ will be rewarded for this chance he took and those picks will seem miniscule compared to what Palmer will accomplish with this team the next 4 years.
Obviously time will tell.
Palmer #3 number 1 selling jersey in NFL this year WATCH!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Beach Says:
I’m not too sure. This Rangers team tonight looks a lot like the team that got stuffed by the Giants, and the Cardinals starting pitching is weak!
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Not a good start for their hitters, that’s for sure. Josh is clearly hurting.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Lets be real here teams were not afraid to stack 8 in the box to stop DMAC and dare JC to throw on them.
If the are afraid Palmer can beat them and now DMAC starts getting even more yards per game then he can win more games than JC because of that.
Right now we have given up the least amount of sacks in the league and are #2 in rushing our O-Line is the best in the NFL this is a great opportunity for Palmer compared to where he was.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
I guess since 2002 when we were actually IN the SB.
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It was actually 2003.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
361.olinesux Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
just saying jacantbell couldnt win a game from behind (ne) but palmer can
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Was behind a lot in 2010 and only won 4 games. I agree with JFB though. The only issue with this trade is the price. Seems very steep. And I think the price we paid for Palmer has elevated him in the eyes of a lot of people on this board. But we lost our starter and this move keeps our season alive. JC has been killed on this board for going 4-12 his last year in Washington. Someone even said that Washington has been better off without him, which is nuts in my book. Palmer should get the same rap. Cincy is thriving this season without him after going 4-12 with him. JC set the bar with seven straight wins in the division. If we can sweep the rest of our division games, that could/should win the division. Big shoes to fill for Palmer.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
As for Jason Campbell…I believe that in the film room Hue Jackson has made it clear to him all along that he needed to get much better.
JC did not seize the job fast enough. He just didn’t. In reality, if he was truly performing at an elite level, this move wouldn’t have been considered..injury or not. That’s on him and I am sure he knows it.
The NFL is a big boys league and you are not only competing against every player in the league for your job. If you are not a top 15 QB, your job is on the line.
JC was too middling at the end of the day from a performance standpoint.
In my own life, I realize that I am competing against thousands of unemployed who take my job in a New York second. That’s why you always have to stay on top of your game.
JC still made too many mistakes for a veteran in the 2nd year. He an ok QB with a GREAT attitude and good leadership. But his job as a starter was far from ever guaranteed.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
I’m not saying Raiders ARE serious SB contenders now cuz they have a lot left to prove. It’s kinda cool that the subject is even being considered and speculated.
I’ll tell u this. I woudldn’t bet against ‘em right now. We’ll see.
I’m not gonna get too far ahead of myself like the media is.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
With that said in my last post, JC doesn’t deserve the outright disrespect he’s received from fans on this blog.
The guy did clean up a lot of “mess” on this team in his two years here.
1st time Raiders had legit quarterbacking and leadership in almost 10 years.
For that he deserves your respect.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
you know your team is most likely behind in every game and overmatched.
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I think you should look up 2010 boxscore and schedule of the Bengals. They were pretty tight in most of those games coming into the 4th qtr. You look at 4-12 and you think they stunk up the joint but I encourage you to do some research.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
388.aig-raiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Hue inquired about the job the year Al hired Kitten. Al said no. Imagine if we had Hue since then. I’ll venture out on a limb and say Jawalrus might have turned out ok since Hue/Jawalrus might have understood each other better.
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Would have been huge for JR’s career. But I think Kiffin was doing a good job with JR. Things went south when Al gave Cable the autonomy to hire his own staff. Cable/Whackit/Tollner set this team back a year or two.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
I will say this though.
If Carson is tossing the rock as much as Brady, Rogers or Stafford….Hue will have made a terrible mistake.
DMAC is the best player in the league.
You keep making him the focal point of the offense. I know Hue loves to throw…but stay focused on the prize
October 19th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
And that will mean more than just hitting the long balls and managing the game
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I think the issue is no longer not having a QB that will allow us to win those games.
From Offense to Defense to STs, we have some of the best talent in the league.
I think Palmer gives us the chance to play with anybody in the league.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
393.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
AIG,
When your team is 4-12…as we all should be well versed in after the last 8 years…you know your team is most likely behind in every game and overmatched.
The ball is flying against defense playing on their heels.
Look, I think Carson is a good QB and yes, he’s better than JC. How much better? Enough to make a difference, but not so much to be jaw dropping. The Raiders SHOULD go from average to top 15.
This offense still runs through DMAC..or at least should…so I don’t see Palmer tossing the rock 35x a game like Brady and co.
I am not crowning any vet free agent great…especially at QB. Seen way too much up and downs from free agents over the years to get too fired up about it.
Carson has the potential to get back to his form…IF he can do that than the Raiders will be very interesting.
I just don’t think the rust, chemistry etc…will be in full swing until next year.
This year will be more game managementish in my opinion…although, as JHILL points out…the deep ball should be much better.
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I think 4th Lombardi’s post was the best possible outcome of this trade, but this is the more likely scenario, SnB. With that said, I just watched NFL Live and Steve Young believes that Carson’s decline in Cincy had to do with the mental strain of being in that environment, and now, with a fresh start here in Oakland, Young said he is very confident Carson will be as passionate as he ever was about football, and he will return to being one of the top flight qbs in the NFL.
The Nation hopes your right Steve.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
405.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
I will say this though.
If Carson is tossing the rock as much as Brady, Rogers or Stafford….Hue will have made a terrible mistake.
DMAC is the best player in the league.
You keep making him the focal point of the offense. I know Hue loves to throw…but stay focused on the prize
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Whoa, you just made a good post buddy, but hold your horses. I don’t care what anyone says. Tom Brady is the best player in the league. Period.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
aig-raiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
you know your team is most likely behind in every game and overmatched.
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I think you should look up 2010 boxscore and schedule of the Bengals. They were pretty tight in most of those games coming into the 4th qtr. You look at 4-12 and you think they stunk up the joint but I encourage you to do some research.
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4-12 means something went terribly wrong. I believe that Carson is a good QB…but great QBs figure it out.
Example: See the Peytonless Colts
October 19th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Debo,
I know you are a Jamarcus faithful. I dont know if Kitten can get Jamarcus to get his act together as much as another Black man/father figure like Hue who will call out his laziness. Hue oozes confidence and leadership. I was skeptical about Hue but he got me convinced.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
I hate all this media attention. hopefully the players handle it well.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Carson and Hue equals to Gannon and Gruden which by the way produced, gave fans the best offense in the league! Do you all remember back in the early 2000’s when everybody had their raiders gear in movies, talk shows, CNN , NBA all-star weekend with raiders being next door, and Kate Beckinsale for crying out loud!!! I truly miss those days when we were at the top and dropping everyone with elbows. Instead, these past 9 nine years has been the rockbottom of dwayne johnson’s backhand! The NFL has prohibited us from winning anything faster than wall street. This is the year folks where the raiders will be the global story again. I support Hue’s tireless effort with the mission of winning the lombardi. Hue bring us back to respectability!!
October 19th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
4-12 means something went terribly wrong.
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translation….you refuse to look up the stats and analyze it. There are 3 phases to each football team. A failure in each of those phases will result in a loss. Philip Rivers had a monster year last year but any knowledgeble fan will know that special team let them down last year.
You like to simplify things. I noticed you guys gave JC credit for every win we have that JC started. Why are you guys not blaming JC for the Buff loss? He was the QB right? See…it aint that simple is it?
October 19th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
San Francisco 49ers wide receiver Michael Crabtree(notes) says he missed a bye-week flight out of the Bay Area because he was pulled over by a police officer who happened to be an Oakland Raiders fan.
The third-year veteran tweeted about the harrowing experience:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
410.aig-raiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Debo,
I know you are a Jamarcus faithful. I dont know if Kitten can get Jamarcus to get his act together as much as another Black man/father figure like Hue who will call out his laziness. Hue oozes confidence and leadership. I was skeptical about Hue but he got me convinced.
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The “Black man/father figure” angle with Hue is legit. I think it’s very important for coaches and players to relate to each other. I think it was Kiffin’s youth that allowed him to relate to Jamarcus. They liked each other and worked well together. Kiffin praised JR’s work ethic and always had his back with the press. Al’s firing him was a blow to JR’s career.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Is Jamarcus Russell really being discussed right now? Man I can’t wait till Sunday.
October 19th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
aig-raiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
4-12 means something went terribly wrong.
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translation….you refuse to look up the stats and analyze it. There are 3 phases to each football team. A failure in each of those phases will result in a loss. Philip Rivers had a monster year last year but any knowledgeble fan will know that special team let them down last year.
You like to simplify things. I noticed you guys gave JC credit for every win we have that JC started. Why are you guys not blaming JC for the Buff loss? He was the QB right? See…it aint that simple is it?
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AIG,
JC owns the record and the performance of the passing game. Hue wouldn’t have replaced JC (injury or not) if he liked him. His enthusiasm for Carson shows that JC probably was out here at year end regardless.
As for scrutinizing the 4-12 Bengals….not going to do it.
There are no 4-12 accidents man
October 19th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
On the other hand, how juiced is the crowd and players gonna be for Sunday. The O is going to be rocking again! Kill kc!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Debo
We agreed on Jamarcus for once. After living in the South for the past 3 years and in the middle of Black neighborhood, I totally have a different perspective on Black kids. We had 1 family in our complex that had a father figure. We feel real bad for some of those kids that my son played with. Many of them are left to learn on their own with no structure at all. It’s all survival instincts.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
The chefs have won a couple in a row, and even though it has been against bad teams it has put them in position to think that they can get their season back on track if the can come up with a win against The Raiders. I expect them to come in motivated and ready, and we better come out and play well to win.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
There are no 4-12 accidents man
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Hue said it yesterday. The QB gets too much credit and too much blame. Win/Loss for QB’s in football are not the same as win/loss for pitchers in baseball. I’ll leave it at that.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
I am not much of a cheerleader man.
I agree he’s better than JC….I agree he’s a top tier QB.
I don’t know if he’s one of the top 5 QBs in the league?
October 19th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
To point out just how far this team has come, I see one of the “topics” on NFLNetwork tonight is “Does Carson Palmer make the Raiders a Super Bowl contender”?
How long has it been since Raiders and Super Bowl have been mentioned in same sentence and have it be a legitimate topic meriting discussion and analysis?
I guess since 2002 when we were actually IN the SB.
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the fact that people are discussing the raiders and the super bowl, and no one’s laughing shows why this trade was so great all by itself.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Perhaps AIG,
I also don’t think supporting Carson = trashing JC.
Carson is not walking into a demoralized team fumbling around. He is walking in on a team in week 7 that is fired up and the fan base revitalized.
If you can’t/refuse to see that JC had a substantive role in that…then so be it. I don’t think its worth arguing about.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
I will actually be Carson’s biggest fan.
I don’t see him as the savior right out the gate….I see him as continuing what the team has started and progressing from there.
You all that are expecting Bradyesque or Rogers type performances are GOING to be disappointed.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
NFLNetwork:
“Darrius Heyward Bey is becoming that blowout 3rd season receiver we ALL expected him to be”.
WHAT???
WHO in the national media EVER did anything but bash the Raiders for picking this guy in the draft?
If DHB was referred to in any capacity on any sports shows it was as a punchline. Now…he’s being referred to as this great weapon in the Carson Palmer arsenal.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Raiders rushing defense ranking all the way up to #16;
Mr. Palmers passer rating against KC overall 84.5, (last game 91.5); he’s had total 6 td passes, 4 ints, and been sacked 6 times in 4 games by KC.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
The best thing about Palmer coming to the Raiders is that Hue Jackson and Al Saunders now have enough time to groom Pryor for the future.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I think Coach Davis is the reason, or number one reason this team has turned it around.
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
This league is heartless isn’t it? I think JC did as well as he could and conducted himself on the field as a real pro. He stood tall and respectable in the pocket. What a game he had at San Diego last year. He tried real hard to be the man here. First guy in at practice and last guy out according to reports from fellow players.
I am excited about our new toy though. It’s cool to have him.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
NFLNetwork:
“Darrius Heyward Bey is becoming that blowout 3rd season receiver we ALL expected him to be”.
WHAT???
WHO in the national media EVER did anything but bash the Raiders for picking this guy in the draft?
If DHB was referred to in any capacity on any sports shows it was as a punchline. Now…he’s being referred to as this great weapon in the Carson Palmer arsenal.
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knew this would happen. i wish i could rub all their faces in it. remind them of all they said. embarrass them on national tv. p*ssed raiders fans off for so long but i knew they’d try to act like they never said it, as soon as the raiders came back. f*ck them. raiders vs. the world!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
Keep focus Raiders, run the ball, stop the run, and get this divisional home game W. Just Win Baby.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
The media CONSTANTLY says “The Raiders love to go vertical”.
Am i missing something?
When was the last time the Raiders were truly this “vertical” offense?
Is there a bigger myth in football than this idea that the Raiders are obsessed with the “vertical” game? At least as far as it translates to what actually happens on the field?
October 19th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
429.RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
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Yup, I’m sure DMC had nothing to do with it.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
The best Raiders teams have always had good running games, but Al Davis always did have the philosophy of stretching the field to force the db’s to respect the deep pass, and thereby give a little more room for the running game and for the recievers to be able to get open undernieth.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Mr. Curry trade has already had a major [positivr] impact in stopping the run against Cleveland.
Raiders need to remain focused, Mr. McClain & Aaron need to remain aggresive in their tackling of runningbacks as they were against the Browns.
Raiders hold Kansas City under 80 yards rushing> Raiders shut out Kansas City!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
AIG,
When your team is 4-12…as we all should be well versed in after the last 8 years…you know your team is most likely behind in every game and overmatched.
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Simply not true…
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Cincinnati_Bengals_season
Look at the games…
1. Bengals avg 21 points per game
2. 7 of their losses was by 7 points or less
3. Scored over 30 in 4 games and LOST 3
Thats not being overmatched.
Palmer was 10-6 and in the playoffs in 2009 as well.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Man I feel bad for JC. Wish him well. I had high hopes for him this yr, I even posted he’d have a pro bowl type year just benefiting from the run game opening up pa for him and minmizing mistakes. But it didn’t work out, had a great Buffalo game but was at or below average in the others. Accuracy wasn’t there, looked shakey, and checkdown way too early on plays. Hue knew for sure what he had with him, “an average QB”.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Raiders commit zero turnovers and less than 4 penalties> Raiders shut out Kansas City.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
For the second straight week we get to play against a team that is coming off a bye and has two weeks to prepare.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
I think the fact that carson is the veteran and the Raiders WRs are young will benefit the team.
Raiders’ WRs do not have that diva stigma attached to any of them, they are all team players, they’ve had to work really hard to get the respect they are now just beginning to earn around the league.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Wasbanned,
Splicing a 4-12 season makes no sense.
Carson Palmer threw 20 INTs…..did that have an impact in losing all those close games?
Was he “clutch” in those games?
Look, Carson Palmer is just a better QB option than JC. I don’t think any honest observer is arguing about that.
But the euphoric over the top posts suggesting the passing game is going to be “great” is overreach.
He’s a good QB! Period!
When I hear great…I have a different view of that. Great never goes 4-12.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Whats up Nation!!! Why do people care what job people hold and where they live? LOL…geez
October 19th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
One advantage to KC coming off the bye week, is that they have probably lost some momentum from their two game winning streak (over winless teams Indi & Miami); while the Raiders are still riding the momentum of our two game winning streak.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Also, for the record.
I BELIEVE that JC lost his own job. In life, if you want to be great, you have to be the best. If you want to reap the rewards.
JC was ok. Ok is not going to get it done in the long run. JCs job was to seize the job so much that the Raiders would have started talking contract. He never did that because he made bad mistakes and missed throws.
Hue made the right decision to be sure. Absolutely sure about that.
JC has to buck up and ask himself if he wants to truly be great or just be middling.
He’s got a great attitude, he’s gotta step it up.
Life demands excellence for the successfull…not just ok.
With that said, he was the best thing to happen to this franchise in 8 years and helped leave a revitalized atmosphere here.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
San Diego has to travel all the way to New York for a 10AM game. (of course it was NYJ that had the Monday night game- short rest, nah… no conspiracy here).
October 19th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
And a great one never goes 4-12…ok, fair enough! The QB is the only reason for a losing record?
October 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Things happen for a reason………winning!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
So who do we draft with our fifth and sixth round draft picks anyway.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
So who do we draft with our fifth and sixth round draft picks anyway.
LOL…haven’t watched any college games this year…
October 19th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Also, for the record.
I BELIEVE that JC lost his own job. In life, if you want to be great, you have to be the best. If you want to reap the rewards.
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I agree. And furthermore, this guy has had 8 years in the NFL to learn how to properly execute an NFL QB slide.
The manner in which he got injured is one that cannot be blamed on anyone else.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
You never want to be just ok.
Just being ok gets you fired in sports and in real life.
I am sure that Hue had made that clear all along the season that he needed to improve.
JC, barring a step level improvement probably would not have been retained at the end of this year.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
I expect the Raiders to get the first compensatory pick (of the 3rd round)for losing Mr. Asomugha; as for losing others I expect a 4th at best as:
Mr. Boss = Mr. Miller
Mr. Heyer = Mr. Gallery,
however we did lose Mr. Howard and Mr. Gradkowski, so I expect to gain at least a 4th or 5th for one of these or a combination thereof.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
ArmChair,
The slide didn’t get JC cut. His average performance did. Those guys are competing against every QB with pads on for their jobs…not just the guys brought into camp or free agents.
Any time a better player can be acquired…they will do it.
Ask Quentin Groves. I am sure Khalif Barnes and Cooper Carlisle knows this…Chris Johnson and others.
Just like in life. Average employees are always looking over their shoulder.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
neither have I…lol
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
“When I hear great…I have a different view of that. Great never goes 4-12.’
Unless your arguably one of the “greatest” QB’s of all time and your team goes 4-12 in 2005. (Brett Favre).
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
So who do we draft with our fifth and sixth round draft picks anyway.
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Remember we get at least one compensatory 3rd rounder.
I would go for a stouter Center(I get tired of seeing Satele get Bull Rushed and “Pancaked”, or more depth at the NT position. Henderson is getting older and will need a suitable replacement soon.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I expect Mr. Bush to have a 120 yard rushing performance!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
HE!! NAW! That retarded dummy is the reason we didn’t make the playoffs last year! S h!t, JC’s collar bone was the best break this franchise has had in over a decade.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
btw/fyi
I noticed Raiders resigned Mr. Boyd to the practice squad today [once he cleared waivers]. It’s on their official website.
Depth Chart; everything is updated except the qb position: Campbell still listed as 1st string Boller 2nd (Pryor and Palmer not listed at all)- updated Oct. 17th
October 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
So who do we draft with our fifth and sixth round draft picks anyway.
Best available at any posisition.
If Tie, we need D line youth most, then CB
October 19th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
our run defense was the reason we didn’t make the playoffs last season
October 19th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
We have a solid run defense and overall defense, we get to the qb as well as the running back this year!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
K,
I think the fam should be off limits.
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Tell them that. They’ve made my wife a part of this blog. that’s why I got in Try Some Reality’s azz last nite.
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You want to tell LA the whole story, you crazy old fart? Started with your delusional azz calling me a dumbazz for making a simple comment about how Soup endeared himself to the media, in response to a comment from Rob_raider about how Corkran feeling sorry for Campbell. Wasn’t knocking Soup, just a simple comment on my part to explain why Cork took that angle and you attacked because your all butthurt about Soup being replaced.
So I ask you why you’re all bent out of shape and if your wife is making you sleep on the couch. Didn’t make any insults towards your wife, just if you had been kicked to the couch since your panties were so bent out of shape and you decide to return with this beauty:
“Is your mamma the nastiest ho in town?”
On top of that you have the nerve to call me a classless pig.
You’ve been exposed as a sad, sick, deranged, nasty, hypocritical POS. Tell us again how you fantasize about Brien sucking your hot dog. Freak!
October 19th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
A lot of those 7 point marginal defeats don’t tell the whole story either. Look at the box scores. They literally had to climb back into every game they lost by scoring late.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
ArmChair,
The slide didn’t get JC cut. His average performance did. Those guys are competing against every QB with pads on for their jobs…not just the guys brought into camp or free agents.
Any time a better player can be acquired…they will do it.
Ask Quentin Groves. I am sure Khalif Barnes and Cooper Carlisle knows this…Chris Johnson and others.
Just like in life. Average employees are always looking over their shoulder.
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I agree with your overall sentiment SnB.
But let’s not get ahead of ourselves…
First of all I never stated that the slide got Campbell CUT.
As of now he is not CUT. He isn’t even on IR yet.
We have to wait and see what happens with that.
However, the slide got Campbell INJURED, which has now led to him losing his starting job, maybe permanently.
WE don’t know anything right now except that we have a QB who will not move us steps backwards like Boller does.
Palmer could fail to deliver us that playoff win. He may perform average at best.
He could get injured himself. Then next season we will have legitimate QB competition between Campbell and Palmer.
But this is only even a topic of conversation right now because Campbell got injured.
And he got injured because he cannot execute an NFL caliber slide in order to protect himself properly.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
djohnnyg Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
“When I hear great…I have a different view of that. Great never goes 4-12.’
Unless your arguably one of the “greatest” QB’s of all time and your team goes 4-12 in 2005. (Brett Favre).
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Brett Favre threw 29 INTs that year. So he wasn’t great that year. I don’t think I would use that as an example.
also Carson Palmer doesn’t have Brett’s body of work yet. Doing something for 20 years….as a starter…vs 2 great years and a couple of more decent years does not = Hall of Fame.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Another sell out? Wish I lived closer man. Had a ball last Sunday, maybe too much I think,lol. Be good nation.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
RaideredoutL.A. Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Another sell out? Wish I lived closer man. Had a ball last Sunday, maybe too much I think,lol. Be good nation.
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It’ll sell out. Me and my homies will be there. Last week was sick.
October 19th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
HE!! NAW! That retarded dummy is the reason we didn’t make the playoffs last year! S h!t, JC’s collar bone was the best break this franchise has had in over a decade.
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I don’t think a fan would ever say something like this.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
Wasbanned,
Splicing a 4-12 season makes no sense.
Carson Palmer threw 20 INTs…..did that have an impact in losing all those close games?
Was he “clutch” in those games?
Look, Carson Palmer is just a better QB option than JC. I don’t think any honest observer is arguing about that.
But the euphoric over the top posts suggesting the passing game is going to be “great” is overreach.
He’s a good QB! Period!
When I hear great…I have a different view of that. Great never goes 4-12.
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How do you know its not?
I know you are trying to prove a point. Dude hasn’t put up HOF numbers.
I for one don’t believe he has to pass for 4000 yards to be “great”.
If he limits the INTs and makes throws when he NEEDS to this can be a great offense.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
I think that all that is asked of Palmer is to do what JC did and do something that JC couldn’t do on a regular basis…and that is to hit a wide open receiver…I think that if he can do that, we’ll get to the playoffs this year! I am hoping that a fresh start will give us a QB that can be better than mediocre and that will carry us far!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
31.8 value for 5th round
20.0 value for 6th round
(basing these values on Raiders getting into at least the 12th playoff spot)
that would allow us to trade up to the 25th spot of the 4th round if we combined the two above draft choices.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
441.raiderkoolaid Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
For the second straight week we get to play against a team that is coming off a bye and has two weeks to prepare.
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Heard an interesting thing the other day. Teams coming off bye weeks are 1-5 this year. Have to do a little research to see who those teams are, but based on he results so far this year it doesn’t seem to be the slam-dunk advantage that one would expect.
The new CBA rules could have something to do with it; if I remember correctly teams are mandated four consecutive days off during the bye week. Could slow the roll, so to speak.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
@ #471 – Actually they’re both off. The reality is somewhere in the middle. Soup’s not the sole reason we improved, nor is he solely to blame for the team not doing better.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
And that is what scares me with us coming into a bye after the KC game…I hope we finally break that trend!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
I think JC was good enough to win the division.
I also think Carson is good enough to get a team deep in the playoffs.
I look at neither one being a Superbowl QB, or HOF for that matter.
I just don’t know if Carson will have enough time (chemistry with recievers) to get us deep into the playoffs this year.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Do you guys think that if Von Oerfen (sp?) didn’t roll Palmers knee that Cincinatti would have been at least in that Super Bowl?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
looked at Carson’s qb rating against SD 97.3 in ‘09 & 157.2 last year
October 19th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
I for one don’t believe he has to pass for 4000 yards to be “great”.
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Agreed. If you can run the ball and play defense, you get a good shot at winning. Look at SF, they are 5-1 with Alex Smith getting around 150 yds in 3 of those 5 wins. In two of them he didnt even score any td’s. I doubt any of you would take Alex Smith as your starter. John Elway didnt get career numbers during those 2 SBs wins but won 2 SB’s with Terrell Davis. Granted they cheated on the salary cap too. All Palmer has to do is be a top 10 QB in this league and we will go along way. If Palmer doesnt look totally lost out there, I expect us to put up 30-40 pts this weekend.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Well…good night Nation! See you all in the AM!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
479.hwnrdr Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Do you guys think that if Von Oerfen (sp?) didn’t roll Palmers knee that Cincinatti would have been at least in that Super Bowl?
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Seemed like their year to me. Was rooting for them big time. Was so pissed.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
I just don’t know if Carson will have enough time (chemistry with recievers) to get us deep into the playoffs this year.
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Good point, RaiderKen. Probably the biggest question right there. QBs normally have all of camp and preseason to work this out. One thing’s for sure…it’ll tell us a lot about Palmer if he does step right in and play at a high level. It took Jason a year before he got comfortable, no?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
Well SnB a lot of very good QB’s have gone through bad season ask Big Ben and many others as well as Aaron Rodgers and even Joe Montana and others they may not have gone 4-12 but they had bad records it takes great teams to not have bad records bad team with a great QB will reflect the condition of the team everytime. If the team is decent enough they can usually have a decent record. QB’s can only do so much. Last year he struggled bad had his worse year and still threw 26 TD’s on a bad team and 3,900 but they had a bad defense and no running game.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
The big impact for having Carson Palmer will be a couple of deep throw connections per game.
That will add an additional 3 to 7 pts per game.
Also, Carson Palmer, because of his deep ball accuracy, gives the team a better chance to beat the teams that shut down DMAC and are putting up points on our defense.
JC couldn’t win those games (Green Bay, Pitt, Baltimore etc)…I think carson can.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
SNB, when we win in the Playoffs with Palmer whatcha gonna say then?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
heard on espn:
by rule with the bye week; teams must give players 4 days off;
therefore I think Palmer needs to play some portion of the game against Kansas City;
hopefully the Raiders can get an early lead and build on it, put the hammer down down, the foot on the snake’s throat, get some PT for CP or TP even.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Even though I like Palmer just want to let you guys know he has never won a play off game, so that should be his main goal this season.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Raiders OLine need to dominate!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
@ #485. That’s what I don’t get about some folks. They take a QBs record or pick some stat somewhere and run with it. You have to look at the body of work. Any ole numbers nerd can pull up stats and try to judge somebody. No, they take a QBs record or whatever else they latch onto and run with it in order to prove a point, not even considering the environment the player was in. Drives me crazy.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I think Carson will complement McFadden just as much as McFadden will complement Carson.
This should be enough to win the division, but let’s get real not much more. On the other side of the ball I am excited about Curry. From what I saw the last game he has speed.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
heard on espn:
by rule with the bye week; teams must give players 4 days off;
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Can players opt to come in on their own, if they so choose? Or is this a mandatory “stay away from the facility” deal?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Anyone sensing the bad vibe from the hard core Davis faction over this trade?
Look at some of the names that Hue’s being called:
“shrewd”
“river boat gambler”
These aren’t endearing terms. “river boat” would assume he’s low class, dirty, juxtaposed to, say, a “high roller”, or “vegas gambler”. They’re basically calling him a charlatan. If you ask me, Hue sort of reminds me of that GM who took over the ownership of the Raiders in 1972.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
SNB, when we win in the Playoffs with Palmer whatcha gonna say then?
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I will be fired up and rightfully so. I EXPECT that this team will be in the playoffs and I expect the team to be competitive in the playoffs.
Here’s what I will never do….wish injury on a player or in any way suggest an injury to a player was the “best” thing to happen to the team.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Priesttj,
I am not trashing Carson Palmer at all. I also think he’s the best option. Just not over the top on the kid.
I will say this…if people are going to hold on to stats…lets not forget that Carson’s 20 INTs helped that 4-12 record along.
He’s also thrown that many picks before. So he will have to play within himself when he gets here and I expect some growing pains as well.
I am a Carson supporter.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
i wanna elaborate on HUE DAVIS and the whole Black man father figure thing that yall were talkin about earlier.. first and foremost im a hispanic/italian decent born in hawthorne , ca raised in se la.. paramount, south gate , compton… i grew up with all kinds but predominatley blacks and hispanics… basically the hood…when i first heard Hue speeak last year i told a few raider diehards that man is dangerous… i already knew Hue was from south central LA and went to Dorsey high and played QB there.. i read his bio.. but to hear the man speak, he is very intellegent, very articulate and very sincere.. like nite and day from that dumb monkey who was his boss at the time Tom ” the dumb monkey ” Cable…when AL fired Cable and promoted HUE i told fellow diehards that was the best thing to happen to this franchise since john madden… this is why… Hue is from the hood. theres no denying that,when your from the hood with the street smarts and the intellectual smarts as well..that makes for a DANGEROUS person to contend with..he has seen the good and has seen the bad.. PLAYERS CAN RELATE TO THIS MAN FOR THAT AND THEREFORE WILL GO TO WAR AND DIE ON THAT FIELD FOR HIM.. you cant teach “HOOD” 101 street smarts no where unless youve lived it.. HUES LIVED IT!!! I FULLY EXPECT THIS TEAM TO BE HOLDING UP A LOMBARDI TROPHY VERY SOON!! we can thank AL DAVIS for hiring this man and LEADING US back to GREATNESS & GLORY!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Look how much the Raiders are in the news! Every time I turn on the t.v. My goodness. This is all so weird.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders also auditioned WRs Kyle Leong, Chris Carter, Kevin Jurovich and Jonathan Holland.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Carson Palmer might be the best QB we’ve had since Kenny Stabler beccause Plunkett was just a great competitor when we got him. He had long since lost most of his skillset but he would compete like a madman. Palmer is by far a better QB at this stage than Plunkett was. I also think he’s better than Gannon was when we got him. Yet both gannon and Plunkett took us to SB’s. I think Jason Campbell was as good as Gannon. Palmer is hands down better than Gannon ever was he jsut needs a team around him that’s ready to win…………period
October 19th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Raiders OLine need to dominate!
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they have been and they will continue.. i would like to start seeing more Barksdale in at RG tho
October 19th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Who’s posting under priest’s name?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders also auditioned WRs Kyle Leong, Chris Carter, Kevin Jurovich and Jonathan Holland.
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Really? What in the world for? We looking to trade one of ours to recoup draft picks?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
by CorkOnTheNFL
First impressions on Palmer after two days: Class act. Bonding with teammates quickly. Accepting and trading barbs. Big ? How good is he?
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This is good news.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
priesttj Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Carson Palmer might be the best QB we’ve had since Kenny Stabler beccause Plunkett was just a great competitor when we got him. He had long since lost most of his skillset but he would compete like a madman. Palmer is by far a better QB at this stage than Plunkett was. I also think he’s better than Gannon was when we got him. Yet both gannon and Plunkett took us to SB’s. I think Jason Campbell was as good as Gannon. Palmer is hands down better than Gannon ever was he jsut needs a team around him that’s ready to win…………period
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i dont think jason campbell is as good as gannon… his delivery is slower and was taking to long on his progressions.. thats why he is gone..
October 19th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Raider Nation….
You need to give Carson Palmer time to shake off the rust, learn the offense and develop chemistry.
That’s all
October 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
listen jason campbell was NEVER HUES guy.. he was AL’s guy and was trying to make the most out of him.. but its hard making chiken salad out of chiken schit..
October 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
SNB, when we win in the Playoffs with Palmer whatcha gonna say then?
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I will be fired up and rightfully so. I EXPECT that this team will be in the playoffs and I expect the team to be competitive in the playoffs.
Here’s what I will never do….wish injury on a player or in any way suggest an injury to a player was the “best” thing to happen to the team.
Ok ok, I feel ya SnB. I will re-state what I said.
Signing Palmer was the best thing to happen to this franchise in a long time.
Getting Sam Adams on the 11th hour was pretty good also, as well as Gannon/Gruden.
Cause and effect says the Palmer signing was a direct result of JC’s bad break. No?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Priesttj Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Carson Palmer might be the best QB we’ve had since Kenny Stabler beccause Plunkett was just a great competitor when we got him. He had long since lost most of his skillset but he would compete like a madman. Palmer is by far a better QB at this stage than Plunkett was. I also think he’s better than Gannon was when we got him. Yet both gannon and Plunkett took us to SB’s. I think Jason Campbell was as good as Gannon. Palmer is hands down better than Gannon ever was he jsut needs a team around him that’s ready to win…………period
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Agreed. People forget that for all of his playoff and especially Super Bowl awesomeness, Plunkett was a mediocre regular-season QB (notice how the Raiders were always trying to replace him).
He also has more pure talent than even Gannon (who got by on moxie as much as anything).
Palmer’s only 31. Good health permitting, he could easily be our QB until the end of the decade.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Cincy lost 10 in a row last year.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
30 Year Raider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
listen jason campbell was NEVER HUES guy.. he was AL’s guy and was trying to make the most out of him.. but its hard making chiken salad out of chiken schit..
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Really? Harbaugh seems to be able to do it!!!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
The Raiders also auditioned WRs Kyle Leong, Chris Carter, Kevin Jurovich and Jonathan Holland.
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Really? What in the world for? We looking to trade one of ours to recoup draft picks?
Look it up TSR. You’ll be eating that Black Crow when you do.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
You misunderstand me Tweedy. Not questioning that they are auditioning those guys. Just wondering out loud why. Care to speculate with me? I’m wondering if Hue’s looking to move one of ours for picks.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Who’s posting under priest’s name?
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dude was complimented on the radio by papa yesterday. I remember the day when George Atkinson hung up on him on the radio. Dont know what happened to him but he is making a lot of sense lately….PERIOD.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
494.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Anyone sensing the bad vibe from the hard core Davis faction over this trade?
Look at some of the names that Hue’s being called:
“shrewd”
“river boat gambler”
These aren’t endearing terms. “river boat” would assume he’s low class, dirty, juxtaposed to, say, a “high roller”, or “vegas gambler”. They’re basically calling him a charlatan. If you ask me, Hue sort of reminds me of that GM who took over the ownership of the Raiders in 1972.
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I think the “hard core Davis faction”, as you call them, is pretty happy that there isn’t a lame-duck situation with the Raiders right now.
I think a good portion of the Nation is pretty damned happy that we have an agressive-minded head coach that is working well with Mark Davis and Amy Trask and is actively trying to win this team a championship.
It’s pretty obvious that Al Davis knew that the end was near, and planned for it. In my opinion, he seems to have planned pretty well so far, I think a pretty hefty majority of the fan base would agree with that.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Cincy lost 10 in a row last year.
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it happens, sometimes those are the breaks..
October 19th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
whoa now… I just read someone saying Campbell as good as Gannon.
I saw Gannon do some special stuff in Oakland.
Campbell has never even got a team to the playoffs.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
edward teach Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
494.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Anyone sensing the bad vibe from the hard core Davis faction over this trade?
Look at some of the names that Hue’s being called:
“shrewd”
“river boat gambler”
These aren’t endearing terms. “river boat” would assume he’s low class, dirty, juxtaposed to, say, a “high roller”, or “vegas gambler”. They’re basically calling him a charlatan. If you ask me, Hue sort of reminds me of that GM who took over the ownership of the Raiders in 1972.
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I think the “hard core Davis faction”, as you call them, is pretty happy that there isn’t a lame-duck situation with the Raiders right now.
I think a good portion of the Nation is pretty damned happy that we have an agressive-minded head coach that is working well with Mark Davis and Amy Trask and is actively trying to win this team a championship.
It’s pretty obvious that Al Davis knew that the end was near, and planned for it. In my opinion, he seems to have planned pretty well so far, I think a pretty hefty majority of the fan base would agree with that.
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absolutley totally agree with what you just said.. AL knew the end was near.. hed been missing practice, missed the buffalo game.. i bet behind closed doors he said Hue i know appoint you the de-facto GM.. and you will now be called DON HUE DAVIS!!! lets not forget AL tho and some of these late rd pickups of late.. he must have been working on the curry deal before he passed..
October 19th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Everybody believes the better QB always wins the SB and that is not necessarily true, the best QB on the best team always win the SB. Great teams win SVB’s not great QB’s. Gannon was twice as good as Johnson but in the SB he threw 5int’s. Big Ben’s last SB win was over a better QB because he had a better team their defense was so stout it kept them in the game.
We beat one of the greatest teams in NFL history because we had a better defense. If we didn’t stop John Riggins we lose that game but they lost because they couldn’t stop Marcus Allen. It was that simple.The two QB’s played OK but Plunkett was very ordinary in that game. Marucs on the other hand was magnificent.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
502.Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Who’s posting under priest’s name?
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You’re not fooling anybody MR. We know it’s you.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Cincy lost 10 in a row last year.
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So what? Think of all the games teams led by Drew Bledsoe, or Archie Manning, or Steve Bartkowski, or a million other great QBs lost.
Cincy had nothing last year except Carson and couple of prima donna receivers. Carson had nothing like our D, or McFadden, or the unselfish wideouts we’ve got here. He’ll be fine. And our WRs will be fine with someone who can actually deliver the ball on-target for a change.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
RaiderKen Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
30 Year Raider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
listen jason campbell was NEVER HUES guy.. he was AL’s guy and was trying to make the most out of him.. but its hard making chiken salad out of chiken schit..
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Really? Harbaugh seems to be able to do it!!!!!
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key word ” SEEMS” this schit there doing wont last the second half of the season..teams are gonna load the box on his arse soon and blitz him all day long..
October 19th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Campbell’s sole accomplishment here was being better than Russell.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
You misunderstand me Tweedy. Not questioning that they are auditioning those guys. Just wondering out loud why. Care to speculate with me? I’m wondering if Hue’s looking to move one of ours for picks.
Sorry TSR I get a lil quick sometimes.
Maybe he is trying to get a gauge of what WR talent is out there inorder to set the asking price for Murph, or Hagan???
October 19th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
wasbanned Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
whoa now… I just read someone saying Campbell as good as Gannon.
I saw Gannon do some special stuff in Oakland.
Campbell has never even got a team to the playoffs.
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October 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
KK – Why is it you always seem to be negative on most aspects having to do with the Raiders? Are you a half empty glass type person?
I say this because you were always ragging on the Al Davis/GM team problem. That continued until he died and then you had nobody left to blame. Now you start throwing negatives towards the potentially best pick-up this team has ever had – QB Carson Palmer.
Off the top I’d say it’s not healthy to be so negative about everything. I know you are an old timer like me and you’ve been with the team since the 60’s like me. I’ve never chosen to rag on you like others but I’m wondering if anything can make you happy? Just saying…
October 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
i expect kevin Boss Numbers to go up BIG TIME!!!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
187.ElkGRaider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
See ya fellas…OAKTOWN BABY!!
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C’mon MR. How many handles can you use in one evening?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
JB Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
KK – Why is it you always seem to be negative on most aspects having to do with the Raiders? Are you a half empty glass type person?
I say this because you were always ragging on the Al Davis/GM team problem. That continued until he died and then you had nobody left to blame. Now you start throwing negatives towards the potentially best pick-up this team has ever had – QB Carson Palmer.
Off the top I’d say it’s not healthy to be so negative about everything. I know you are an old timer like me and you’ve been with the team since the 60’s like me. I’ve never chosen to rag on you like others but I’m wondering if anything can make you happy? Just saying…
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ya me too???
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Campbell’s sole accomplishment here was being better than Russell.
Exactly. That’s what he was supposed to do. Now it’s time for him to move on or take a back seat.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
They should call Campbell out to the 50 at halftime of the KC game and let him go out and hear some cheers of appreciation… Dude was good for the team and the community, handled his business like a pro.Raiders should recognize that.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Nvitro Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
They should call Campbell out to the 50 at halftime of the KC game and let him go out and hear some cheers of appreciation… Dude was good for the team and the community, handled his business like a pro.Raiders should recognize that.
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that would be classy!! i like that!!
October 19th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
I wonder if Carson would have come here say 2 years ago.
Jason Campbell helped get this franchise to this point today.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Nvitro Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
They should call Campbell out to the 50 at halftime of the KC game and let him go out and hear some cheers of appreciation…
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lol. He’s not Johnny Unitas.
I mean, have we ever even done that for Stabler or Plunkett? Gannon, who took us to our most recent SB?
October 19th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Anyone sensing the bad vibe from the hard core Davis faction over this trade?
Look at some of the names that Hue’s being called:
“shrewd”
“river boat gambler”
These aren’t endearing terms. “river boat” would assume he’s low class, dirty, juxtaposed to, say, a “high roller”, or “vegas gambler”. They’re basically calling him a charlatan. If you ask me, Hue sort of reminds me of that GM who took over the ownership of the Raiders in 1972.
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you try to make something where there isn’t a thing.
i’ma diehard al davis fan and i love the palmer trade. i was the one calling for it all night monday. al picked jc hoping he would develop his physical tools. he kinda did but he was derailed and hue was a “shrewd riverboat gambler’ and pulled off a brilliant trade that al davis would have loved (in fact i’m sure he is smiling from above). i don’t hate jc. i like him. he was helping us win. but i know a better qb when i see one. from someone who just called hue a “shrewd riverboat gambler”, i’m telling u this: i love hue. he’s going for the whole thing. if u ain’t in first place, ur in last place. he wants to win the whole dam thing! and i’m tight there w/ him.
October 19th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Nvitro Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
They should call Campbell out to the 50 at halftime of the KC game and let him go out and hear some cheers of appreciation… Dude was good for the team and the community, handled his business like a pro.Raiders should recognize that.
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I’d certainly cheer. He deserves it. He’s a class act.
Don’t get me wrong, I’d prefer CP but I’d really prefer to see Soup accept the BU-QB roll and be there to get his ring when we take the Lombadi back.
Soup deserves the credit for impacting this team in a positive fashion and he should know that he significantly helped turn this franchise around. He deserves a lot of thanks from the Raider Nation. He is still a Raider and deserves to be treated as such. Once a Raider, always a Raider.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Well, rob, god damn, man, I pretty much agree with that. Goodnight!
October 19th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Brien, what kind of person who rents out a room to someone allows the renter to make as much noise as they want and allow as many guests as they want?
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October 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
What’s up w Mario Henderson?
October 19th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Code Black
October 19th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
I don’t think Mario is on the team
October 19th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Mario is probably flippin’ burgers right about now. Too bad he couldn’t get it right when he had the opportunity. He was a Raider so I wish him well.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Won’t get word whether Sunday’s game is sold out until tomorrow, around noon. First chance for fans to see Carson Palmer, Chinedum Ndukwe.
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Guarantee you it’s sold out, Cork. Sell outs will become a regular occurrence. Remaining home games against KC, Denver, Chicago, Detroit, and San Diego. Sellout, sellout, sellout, sellout, and sellout.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Mr. Jason Campbell is the number one reason the Raiders organization, the team turned it around and became a winning team, a playoff contender.
QBs are the most responsible for victories and defeats, therefore Mr. Campbell is the most responsible for getting the Raiders to where we are today.
HE!! NAW! That retarded dummy is the reason we didn’t make the playoffs last year! S h!t, JC’s collar bone was the best break this franchise has had in over a decade.
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I don’t think a fan would ever say something like this.
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Drafting Jarred Veldheer in the Third round was the best thing that this team has done since drafting Wiz 1.0 and Tim Brown.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
What’s up w Mario Henderson?
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He is where he has belonged for some time… At the EDD. Dude is a FA.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
John Tweedy Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
What’s up w Mario Henderson?
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He is where he has belonged for some time… At the EDD. Dude is a FA.
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Word is, Hue brought him in after the lockout ended, but he flunked the physical for being too fat. Hope he enjoyed his cheeseburgers…
October 19th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
At his way out of a 3. something million dollar contract. RT was his as a gift.
Seems to have fallen in with a bunch of guys who want to spend his money.
Sad.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
Henderson and J marc should do a pay per view eating contest. First one to explode wins.
October 19th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Explain to me why we did not resign Thomas Howard?
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Is he better than Orton and Cassel since his injury? Let’s see, that would be ’09 and ’10:
Palmer: 7064 yards, 47TD’s, 33INT’s Rating 83.5 and 82.4
Cassel: 6040 yards, 43TD’s, 23INT’s, Rating 69.8 and 93
Orton: 7455 yards, 41 TD’s, 21INT’s, Rating 86.8 and 87.5
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
549.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Explain to me why we did not resign Thomas Howard?
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Just my two cents, but I believe that at some point the decision was made to get bigger and stronger at the LB position. We had guys like Morrison, Howard et al that could run like the wind sideline to sideline and (allegedly) cover people, but they got pushed around in the run game.
Drafted Rolando, brought in Wimbley and Groves and got bigger and stronger right off the bat.
Curry is the first real starter-quality addition, and he fits the mold. Believe he’s listed at 6-2, 255.
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
This team is making a critical mistake by taking Palmer. If he couldn’t get the job done for the Bengals, there’s no snowballs chance in hell, he’ll work here! I would bring in Vince Young now for under the salary cap. Work him out. THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR RAIDERS AND IT WILL COST THEM IN THE LONG RUN!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:06 am
With more familiarity and timing with our offensive weapons, time to get comfortable in the system, Al Saunders offensive playbook, and Hue Jackson’s coconut sized balls of steel,I don’t see why Palmer can’t put up Brees and Brady type numbers
October 20th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Dcraiderfan Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
This team is making a critical mistake by taking Palmer. If he couldn’t get the job done for the Bengals, there’s no snowballs chance in hell, he’ll work here! I would bring in Vince Young now for under the salary cap. Work him out. THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR RAIDERS AND IT WILL COST THEM IN THE LONG RUN!
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VY? Why don’t you want to win?
October 20th, 2011 at 12:10 am
dcraiderfan Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
This team is making a critical mistake by taking Palmer. If he couldn’t get the job done for the Bengals, there’s no snowballs chance in hell, he’ll work here! I would bring in Vince Young now for under the salary cap. Work him out. THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR RAIDERS AND IT WILL COST THEM IN THE LONG RUN!
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You are obviously under the influence of something, and I want no parts of it.
Trying to compare the asylum that was the Cincinnati Bungles, to the currently constructed Raider team that stands at 4-2, with the best offensive line in the league, the best running back in the league, and the fastest wide receivers in the league sounds completely out of touch with reality anymore.
Did you put yourself in suspended animation in 2006 after seeing that Tom Walsh and his Bed N Breakfast scheme was gonna run our offense, and just now wake up?
October 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Is anyone else as excited as I am to be a LOYAL RAIDERS fan RIGHT NOW!? The team is 4-2 going into a game at home VS the WEAK kc chiefs, with an upgrade @ QB in Carson Palmer, I am excited to see this revamped squad go out there and lay the wood on the chiefs in front of a sold out stadium. This 2011 Raiders team COACHED by Hue Jackson is not only hungry to win but talented enough to do it. Looking forward to watching this young squad develop and mature into something great, the signs are there.
Thank you Jason Campbell for getting us this far, have a speedy recovery and I hope you consider sticking around but if you don’t, no hard feelings.
Just Win, baby!- RIP AD
October 20th, 2011 at 12:19 am
dcraiderfan Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:02 am
This team is making a critical mistake by taking Palmer. If he couldn’t get the job done for the Bengals, there’s no snowballs chance in hell, he’ll work here! I would bring in Vince Young now for under the salary cap. Work him out. THIS IS A BAD TRADE FOR RAIDERS AND IT WILL COST THEM IN THE LONG RUN!
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You my friend will eat crow. Carson is an UPGRADE over Jason Campbell, any day or year, past, present, future. Do YOU not see how this offense operates?? We RUN first bait the opponent to stuff the box and THEN RELEASE THE GREAT DANES! Watch what Carson does with these kids once he is in synch with the SPEED we possess. We are on the verge of a defensive NIGHTMARE, which we already are with our McBush!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:22 am
RDRSshwYOURBUSH29 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Thank you Jason Campbell for getting us this far, have a speedy recovery and I hope you consider sticking around but if you don’t, no hard feelings.
Just Win, baby!- RIP AD
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My sentiments exactly. If Jason Campbell was a true Raider, then surely he understands what ‘Just Win Baby’ really means.
It is nothing personal towards him at all. But he got seriously injured and could no longer lead the team. We risked being set back and falling behind, back to the cellars of the AFC West.
With everything that has transpired so far, especially in light of the passing of our leader Al Davis, and having been entrusted with Al Davis’ prized possession, the Raider Organization, there is no way that Hue Jackson was gonna let that happen.
He did what was best for the team NOW, and I can see that he is hell bent on honoring Al Davis’ legacy by WINNING and sparing no expense to continue the path of returning the Raiders to our rightful place of NFL Supremacy.
Win Lose Or Tie…Raider Nation Til I Die!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Is Palmer better than Orton and Cassel since his injury? That would be ’09 and ’10
Palmer: 7064 yards, 47TD’s, 33INT’s Rating 83.5 and 82.4
Cassel: 6040 yards, 43TD’s, 23INT’s, Rating 69.8 and 93
Orton: 7455 yards, 41 TD’s, 21INT’s, Rating 86.8 and 87
Palmer =2003 Kerry Collins
October 20th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Dazzed Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:23 am
Palmer =2003 Kerry Collins
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Good thing we have a 2011 Raiders offensive line!
Raiders!!!!!!!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Code black !!!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:33 am
ArmChair GM,
IMO Hue Jackson is on a mission to rebuild this organization, not only to prove he can, but for Al Davis, whom he really seems to love and admire. Hue is a fearless SOB and really embodies Al’s persona in his hey day even up to his passing. In Hue we trust.
AND JUST FOR KICKS HERE IS A QUICK TIDBIT…I was in Oakland in 2004 against the Bucs and was in Oakland this past Sunday against the Browns, creepy..
October 20th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Haha great answer!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:40 am
Dazzed,
Why are you comparing him to Collins? This is 2011, Carson will thrive in our offense, and Hue will not give him more than he can handle. The Raiders are still a run first team, it is our bread and butter, and the reason Palmer will succeed with our fleet of receivers.
Besides, who is your choice for QB? Kyle Boller?? Rookie Terrell Pryor?? Vince “not a bully” Young?? LOL You are a silly clown to think Vince Young would thrive here. Hue would make his ass cry LOL This team is built to be a bully not a bees itch, get it?
October 20th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Both 32 years old. Both had their best seasons behind them. Everyone excited to have him come in and “spread the field”. Kerry had a smaller interceptions ratio though
October 20th, 2011 at 12:51 am
RDRSshwYOURBUSH29 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 12:33 am
ArmChair GM,
IMO Hue Jackson is on a mission to rebuild this organization, not only to prove he can, but for Al Davis, whom he really seems to love and admire. Hue is a fearless SOB and really embodies Al’s persona in his hey day even up to his passing. In Hue we trust.
AND JUST FOR KICKS HERE IS A QUICK TIDBIT…I was in Oakland in 2004 against the Bucs and was in Oakland this past Sunday against the Browns, creepy..
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Amen brotha!
October 20th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Vince Young?
The mantra is ‘Building A Bully!’
not…
‘Building a Beezy!’
October 20th, 2011 at 1:06 am
Raider Nation
October 20th, 2011 at 4:12 am
Jason Campbell didn’t get thrown under a Bus…. He was tackled by a Brown…
….and injuried… Hue Jackson didn’t plan that, but he did what he believes elevates our team by bringing in the best QB he could find on the market.. Thanks Hue…
If you want to talk About being thrown under the Bus, it was the Donkeys that threw Orton under the Bus so they could play Bible Boy..
October 20th, 2011 at 4:15 am
Just what many of us were saying….DHB was looking much sharper on shorter routes and if we used him in those then he’d be much more consistant. He was much improved in that area, and is such a hard worker will probably improve his deep ball eventually also.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:16 am
@Raiders DHB much improved on short balls this season. Caught 72% of passes within 20 yds of line; just 43% his first 2 years
October 20th, 2011 at 4:17 am
DHB still not pulling in deep balls. 1-9 on passes 21+ this season; 3-31 his first 2 years.
That’s catching barely 10% of the balls traveling over 20 yards in the air that go his way.
Not all were his fault though, but still, stats don’t lie.
October 20th, 2011 at 4:19 am
I like the attitude DHB is playing with… you can see he’s growing up as a reciever this year..
October 20th, 2011 at 5:08 am
30 year raider Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
i expect kevin Boss Numbers to go up BIG TIME!!!
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You got to think that Palmer will rely heavily on whatever the outlet, checkdown type player will be in the offense, until he is fully up to speed.
Obvious candidates are Boss, and maybe Hagan or Schilens.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:13 am
If you want to talk About being thrown under the Bus, it was the Donkeys that threw Orton under the Bus so they could play Bible Boy..
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Main difference is that Campbell played OK and was winning games, Orton was awful and lost something like 18 of his previous 22 starts.
Tebow will be a huge upgrade over Orton, and I wish they would have waited 3 weeks to make the switch.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:26 am
Djohnnyg Says:
To point out just how far this team has come, I see one of the “topics” on NFLNetwork tonight is “Does Carson Palmer make the Raiders a Super Bowl contender”?
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I just watched that video clip. LOL If you anger easily, you probably don’t want to watch it.
Sterling Sharpe said “Absolutely . . . NOT”. There was agreement among everyone on the show that this does not make them contenders.
Among the reasons:
- Palmer has never won a playoff game
- Raiders still have to get past the Chargers
- Heavily penalized teams don’t go to the Super Bowl
October 20th, 2011 at 5:30 am
More on Palmer.
Charlie Casserly
In his 16 years as an NFL General Manager with the Redskins and Texans, Charley Casserly had seen many trade proposals.
When it came to assessing Tuesday’s trade between the Bengals and Raiders, Casserly said he would have done it on both sides.
“From Oakland’s standpoint, there was no question. Carson can be one of the premier quarterbacks in the league.”
Casserly expects Palmer to play well after seeing how he played at the end of last year when the Bengals won two of their final three games.
“He was in rhythm. Oakland has got a good running game and speed at receiver. He goes in as a complement and does not have to carry a team, even though he could.”
“The guy who I saw at the end of last year is the guy who I expect in Oakland. They’ve got a team who could win the division, but quarterback has been a weakness. There is a risk involved to the deal, but to get to the next level, that is what you had to do.”
October 20th, 2011 at 5:34 am
Sterling Sharp can bite me
October 20th, 2011 at 5:36 am
Man this is weird, turn on ESPN radio to start the morning……
And they are talking the Raiders. Again. For like 5 minutes.
I can get used to this!!!
October 20th, 2011 at 5:36 am
Matt Bowen, former NFL player, now a writter for The National Football Post:
Here is a quick breakdown of what Palmer could bring to the field in Oakland:
- Vertical passing game, If Palmer can still drive the football, he brings in an added dimension.
The Raiders see plenty of eight-man fronts. How do you counter that?.
Challenge secondaries that want to play press-coverage and use a single high safety in the middle of the field, run the vertical route tree and test the top of the defense if you consistently see a safety dropping into the box.
That’s what a big arm QB can do.
- Crucial game situations.
I talk about it all of the time when I break down games on Sundays. Third downs, the red zone, two-minute, etc.
Forget overall numbers here.
Instead, you are looking for a QB that can make a key throw when you have to move the sticks—or score points to win a game.
The Raiders have to see Palmer as an upgrade over what they had with Campbell and Kyle Boller.
- We will still see the off-tackle power game with RBs Darren McFadden and Michael Bush at the top of the call sheet on Sundays.
However, considering the speed Oakland has outside of the numbers, do the Raiders work more out of the gun, use some spread looks and create some matchup issues?
More Game plan options with Palmer now in the mix.
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I think his second point is the key, big improvement there.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:39 am
Clark Judge CBS and sources:
So here’s the question: how much of an immediate impact does he make with the Oakland Raiders?.
“Well,” said one AFC coach who knows Palmer, “all he has to do initially is stand back there and hand off over 30 times a game. It’s not as if he has to carry these guys to last-minute wins as he did in Cincinnati.”
“It’s not like this is a rookie stepping in for the first time,” said one league source.
“but he’s 1,000 times better than the quarterback they have, and every time he goes out to practice they’re going to know it”.
“Plus, he’s a helluva guy, and he’s going to be so energized to be there it will carry over to the rest of the club. They’re going to know that they have themselves more than just a quarterback; they have themselves a leader”.
“And he’s going to look like a Raider. He’s bigger than everyone, he’s stronger than everyone and he throws the ball farther than everyone. That’s a Raider.”
“This guy is a workout freak,” said our AFC coach. “I understand he will have to get himself into ‘football shape, but he’s not going to have to lose 15 pounds. He’s going to come to the Raiders ready to play.”
“Carson Palmer is the real deal,” said an AFC offensive coordinator.
“I know the Raiders paid a high price for him, but people don’t know how good he is … or can be … because there was so much going on in Cincinnati.”
“Believe it or not, I think there will be an order and discipline here that will benefit him. Yeah, I know his numbers lately weren’t that good in Cincinnati, but there was a lot going on there that isn’t in Oakland.”
October 20th, 2011 at 5:41 am
So after we went to Buffalo and screamed conspiracy about having to travel and play on the East Coast in that early time slot, West coast teams are 4-0 since in those games, lol.
Three more this weekend, Chargers to NYJ, Bronco’s to Miami and Seattle in Cleveland.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:43 am
“but he’s 1,000 times better than the quarterback they have, and every time he goes out to practice they’re going to know it”.
After hearing Al Saunders yesterday, looks like that unnamed AFC Coach knew what he was talking about:
“He walked out on the field yesterday and everybody kind of looked at everybody and said, ‘You know what? This is a real quarterback”. Saunders said.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:44 am
“but he’s 1,000 times better than the quarterback they have, and every time he goes out to practice they’re going to know it”.
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Teams didn’t fear Soup, and to his credit he took advantage of teams sometimes being too bold challenging him.
But you can’t challenge Palmer consistantly once he is up to speed, or the game will be over by the 3rd quarter.
He can be that good.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:50 am
For the record, I relly liked Jason Cambell as a person, a real class act and it’s obvious everyone on the team loved the guy, I will always root for him.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:50 am
579.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 5:36 am
Man this is weird, turn on ESPN radio to start the morning……
And they are talking the Raiders. Again. For like 5 minutes.
I can get used to this!!!
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They’ve been talking Raiders non stop on Sirius NFL channel since Al passed. Even before then they were a hot topice as an up-and-comer.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:52 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
October 20th, 2011 at 5:54 am
I will always root for him.
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He could be a Chief next year, and I will be rooting to see the 1,000 yard stare once again.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:55 am
I think the difference between Palmer and JC is that Carson is a natural QB, the type of guy born to play the position, instincts included.
JC on the other hand, was made a QB because he’s great athlete with a nice arm, but lacks a true feel for the position.
October 20th, 2011 at 5:55 am
Hey if he’s a Chief then I will hate his guts.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:02 am
By the way, some pundits keep saying we mortgaged our future for Palmer.
Thats’s just a stupid thing to say.
The future is already on this roster:
Offense: McFadden, Bush, Taiwan, Reece, DHB, Ford, Moore, Murphy, Schilens, Boss, Myers, Gordon, Ausberry, Veldheer, Wisniewski, Barksdale, B. Campbell and Pryor.
Defense: Bryant, Houston, Shaughnessy, Scott, Moss, Wimbley, McClain, Curry, Routt, DVD, Chekwa, Huff, Branch and Mitchell.
That’s 32 players ranging mostly from 22 to 26 years old with Huff and Wimbley the oldest at 28, those guys will be the core of this team for years to come.
Throw in Jano, Lechler and Condo…as well as Kelly, Seymour and Henderson, that’s 38 players who have a role in this team for at least 2 more years.
The future is the remainder of the season and the next 3 years with Carson at the helm.
Nobody plans further than 3, maybe 4 years down the road (in the case of QB’s) and that’s what we did, QB of the future included in Pryor.
No 1st round pick over the next 2 years would help this team more than a healthy Carson Palmer.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Kevin Boss already up and on the phone doing an interview! 6AM!
October 20th, 2011 at 6:07 am
Take NE and Indy, the most successful teams of the past decade, they found their QB’s and build a team around them, we just did it backwards, we build a talented football team first and then added the QB.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:10 am
You know how everyone is saying Mike Brown did great?.
I think Palmer did just as well.
He landed on a 4-2 team full of young talent and ready to contend for the remainder of his career, under a Coach he loves and with one of the best QB tutors around in Al Saunders to provide him with sound advice.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Mornin’ a.m. crew! Good to finally see the vast majority of the Nation getting behind this move as the solid trade it is.
Fck the ones who think Palmer still can’t play and ignore the fact that he’s 3 years removed from his last major injury, that he had a crap O-line and a non-existent running game his last year in Cincy and that he was dealing with the toxic mix of Ochocinco and T.O.
They either can’t or won’t see that the situation is Oakland is much different. All signs point to a fully healthy Carson. We’ve got the most underrated o-line in the league and Darren Mcfadden in the backfield. Hue appears to tolerate no drama in the locker room.
This team with him leading it is going to come out and absolutely blow the doors off the Donks in two weeks. (Not really concerned right now if he starts Sunday; it’ll be a run heavy game plan regardless.)
October 20th, 2011 at 6:13 am
Bob Marley Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:10 am
You know how everyone is saying Mike Brown did great?.
I think Palmer did just as well.
He landed on a 4-2 team full of young talent and ready to contend for the remainder of his career, under a Coach he loves and with one of the best QB tutors around in Al Saunders to provide him with sound advice.
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Both teams got what they needed. Whether Palmer stays healthy and plays us into a SB win, or the draft picks cincy got can be turned into starters , only time will tell.
Palmer though, couldn’t have drawn up a better sitiuation.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
Bob Marley Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:02 am
By the way, some pundits keep saying we mortgaged our future for Palmer.
Thats’s just a stupid thing to say.
The future is already on this roster:
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I’ve been running around shouting this since Tuesday. All the pundits & other schitheads can repeat is “mortgage the future”. It’s clear they have never really looked at the Raiders’s roster
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
From what I just heard, Boller will be (and should be) starting on Sunday.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
From what I just heard, Boller will be (and should be) starting on Sunday
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Makes sense. If Boller tanks, you can always yank him and put Palmer in.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:20 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
From what I just heard, Boller will be (and should be) starting on Sunday
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Makes sense. If Boller tanks, you can always yank him and put Palmer in.
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Ya and we don’t want to risk Palmer making rusty mistakes or getting hurt. Being out of the game for as long as he has, getting 3 weeks of practice vs. one week is a no brainer to me. He has to get used to being in the pocket, fast drop backs, taking snaps, hand offs, etc.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:22 am
SilverNblackPA:
It’s clear they have never really looked at the Raiders’s roster.
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Exactly.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Kevin Boss just had hesitation in his voice when asked if Palmer would start vs. the chiefs and said it would be tough. Also said Boller took most of the reps yesterday.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:22 am
That is what I was thinking last night…Boller should do ok against KC, but he doesn’t…welcome to the Palmer era!
October 20th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Start Boller, bring Pryor in to run the wildcat, and use Palmer in the two minute drill.
Just trying to think like Hue…
October 20th, 2011 at 6:23 am
Revising my score prediction for the last time:
Raiders 23 – Chiefs 16
early jump on the Denver game:
Raiders 48 – Mules 10
October 20th, 2011 at 6:23 am
A point no one has mentioned though, Going into Denver, Palmer will only be getting 2 weeks of practice. The new CBA rules state that the team HAS to have the week off leading into the bye. They can hold meetings, and mandate workouts, but they cant hold practices.
That said, I don’t think (as much as I want to see him) Palmer should play this week.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:24 am
They can hold meetings, and mandate workouts, but they cant hold practices
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Also nothing prevents Palmer from working out with his receivers on his own, at gunpoint if needs be
October 20th, 2011 at 6:25 am
DONT U MEAN WHEN BOLLER TANKS SNB ?
October 20th, 2011 at 6:25 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:25 am
DONT U MEAN WHEN BOLLER TANKS SNB ?
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Haha, trying to think positive
October 20th, 2011 at 6:26 am
I agree we should start Boller, see how the team responds and if needed, we can bring Palmer in the 2nd half…or not at all.
I’d rather lose, go 4-3, head to the bye and go from there, than risk an injury to Palmer.
But that’s what we have Coaches for, if they think he’s good to go and Palmer feels comfortable enough, let’s roll.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:29 am
#..575…it remains to be seen if Tebow is an upgrade for Denver…. Also if Orton had The Raiders Run game, the Raiders Dline and the Donks could stop the run you might have a point….My point was that the Donks ( fans) seem to blame Orton for the losing all those games….were getting ready to findout what Tebow can do without a run game or a defense that can’t stop the run…Campbell was injured… Orton was healthy… So IMO, Orton was thrown under the Bus.. Not Campbell …i think at first Tebow might energize the donks but sooner or later reality will set in and it will be clear that you can’t win if you can’t run the ball or their defense can’t stop the run…
October 20th, 2011 at 6:33 am
I HEAR U SNB,AND AGREE..
October 20th, 2011 at 6:38 am
They can hold meetings, and mandate workouts, but they cant hold practices
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For real? Whats that rule regarding practicing in pads, only once a week allowed??
October 20th, 2011 at 6:38 am
I just hope all cylindars are firing this Sunday! I hope the players are energized! We can’t lose this Sunday against the friggen Chefs!
October 20th, 2011 at 6:41 am
For real? Whats that rule regarding practicing in pads, only once a week allowed??
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You get 14 padded practices for the entire season… you can go 3 a week if you want, but you still only get 14.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:44 am
WITH EVERYTHING HAPPINING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAY’S,JUST HOPE HUE DOSE NOT LET ANYONE LOOSE FOCUS ON THE GAMES..
October 20th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Can anyone out there help me?
I can post only for a short time and then my comments disappear.Doesn’t give a reason,doesn’t say I’ve said something rude etc,just nothing and they’re gone.
If anyone knows why please tell me.If not,does anyone have an e-mail address for tech help or the site administrator.
This is really pi$$ing me off and would appreciate any help.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:49 am
While I can post…..
Raiders 30 Chiefs 10.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:49 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:44 am
WITH EVERYTHING HAPPINING OVER THE LAST SEVERAL DAY’S,JUST HOPE HUE DOSE NOT LET ANYONE LOOSE FOCUS ON THE GAMES..
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Good point. Between playing a bad team. Perhaps getting overconifdent. Players looking forward to the week off. The distraction of losing Campbell and adding Palmer. Will he or won’t he play.
I also fear a sloppy game.
Come on fellas. Get it done. This is a big one.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:50 am
I can’t believe the colts have their 3rd primetime game this Sunday and then have 2 more scheduled. Even with Manning, who the hell wants to see the colts so much outside of their fans?
October 20th, 2011 at 6:53 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Kevin Boss just had hesitation in his voice when asked if Palmer would start vs. the chiefs and said it would be tough. Also said Boller took most of the reps yesterday.
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Yeah. I think, regardless of who starts, this whole situation has really negated a lot of the advantage the Chiefs may have had in coming off their bye week. Last week they were preparing for Campbell at QB. This week they don’t know who they’ll be facing.
October 20th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:50 am
I can’t believe the colts have their 3rd primetime game this Sunday and then have 2 more scheduled. Even with Manning, who the hell wants to see the colts so much outside of their fans?
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Wow. 5 primetime games out of 16 is absurd. Always enjoyed watching Manning and his perfection at the QB position, but even last year it was clear the rest of the team around him was getting pretty weak as they crawled into the playoffs and were 1 and done.
MNF schedule from here on out is insanely bad.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:01 am
I agree with the focus thing….Hue is a motivator that Cable was not (not saying Cable did not motivate the team, but Hue is more) so with that said…I think he has his guys fired up!
Looking at tix yesterday, only the club seats were available…we should see our 4th sellout this year!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Agree…Sunday’s a division game and a must win game….especially right before a much needed Bye week..
October 20th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I’M OFFICIALY CALLING 2MORROW.”VICTORY-FRIDAY”
October 20th, 2011 at 7:07 am
Also agree that Hue motivates this team and the players apperas to have totally bought in to Hues coaching style…. Groves would be a good example, not sulking but contributing where he can…team play…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Mornin Nation. Dirt lot,fingers,hwnrdr
CP is an upgrade. Hope he doesn’t take long to get up to speed.
But a definate upgrade tho. I like the move by hue
October 20th, 2011 at 7:13 am
R8der… Good Morning Raider…. Totally agree … Bringing in Palmer is huge and worth the price…. IMO..
October 20th, 2011 at 7:14 am
I do too, Cain! Many complaints on here that day, but what did you want Hue to do? Boller was not gonna take us anywhere…even with all the reps in practice! Do we sacrifice going 3-3 till JC comes back and ruin our good start? Boller has a good attitude about this which I believe all the players do too! I even believe that JC knew what was gonna happen!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Good Afternoon Neil! Sometimes that happens to me also! Its like, if the mods sense anything touchy…it won’t get posted. Maybe because too much have been said in here before…Maybe…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I’ve never had a post just disappear? I have had 2 or 3 that said awaiting moderation, that have probably disappeared. Hmmm
October 20th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
A Raider Love Story
Jason is the nice guy next door.
Raiders are the hot chick he’s after but she’s in love with a another boy who is already in a committed relationship.
Finally Jason asks the hot chick out and she says yes.
The relationship starts out slowly. Hot chick is slow to forget her true love, but slowly warms up to Jason.
One day Jason asks hot chick to the prom and she says yes.
A few days before prom Jason is in accident and hospitalized.
Hot Chick comes to visit Jason at the hospital and tells Jason that 1) Her True Love is no longer in a committed relationship 2) Her True Love has pledged his love and desire to be with Hot Chick, 3) Hot Chick has decided to leave Jason, go to the prom with True Love and be his girlfirend.
Hot Chick thanks Jason for being so sweet and hopes they can still be friends.
True story….
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LOLOLOLOL
October 20th, 2011 at 7:25 am
AM Squad…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:27 am
632.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I’ve never had a post just disappear? I have had 2 or 3 that said awaiting moderation, that have probably disappeared. Hmmm
I’ve never had that before either…until about a month ago…I forgot what I was gonna post, but…let me put it this way, not disappear, but, not post!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:27 am
bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I’ve never had a post just disappear? I have had 2 or 3 that said awaiting moderation, that have probably disappeared. Hmmm
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You sent it through and it never came out the other end or it was posted, then deleted?
The former will happen when u have a potty mouth word in your post. The latter will happen if what you said was deemed too controversial for the blog and Becker usually gets them after the fact and it usually only happens when they’re near the top of the thread.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:28 am
I feel bad for JC but it’s what’s bets for the team.
Now were legit automatically.
I agree there was nothing else hue could do
October 20th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Whats funny is you can’t even say the name of our current president, or the name of a very respected contributor to this blog. I would laugh my ass off if you guys couldn’t type bcZ24
October 20th, 2011 at 7:30 am
r8dercain,
Yeah we got a straight up legit QB now.
May be a couple weeks before he settles in but he’s an instant upgrade over Boller and, yes, JC. Drawback is we may have to keep it a bit vanilla but if we know Hue, he’s got AT LEAST one big play cooked up.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:31 am
bcz,
you had a potty mouth word, which includes President Barry O’s name. Respected contributor? Who is that I wonder?
October 20th, 2011 at 7:32 am
test
October 20th, 2011 at 7:34 am
Would anyone mind entertaining me on how KC plans on stopping our offense this Sunday?
I predict a lot of yards and points for this offense this weekend.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:35 am
Still here.
When the posts go missing the page doesn’t refresh back to the latest post – it goes back to the headline.If that helps?
My geek of a brother-in-law thinks its the site rather than something from computer.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:35 am
LMAO! I find it funny that you can’t even put B’s name without using some sort of symbol…
But…what the hell was up with all that nonsense last night?
October 20th, 2011 at 7:36 am
from “my” computer.
If I stop posting suddenly you all know why!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Yes, it is the site! There are times that I just go, huh? What did I write?
How is KC gonna stop our offense? i don’t want to think about that…Mr Boller better have one heck of a game!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Good morning A.M. Nation!
We got us a darn good QB.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Yep, also feel bad for JC but that’s one reason they get paid millions in case of an injury… I think Campbell understands the business side of football…and because the trading deadline was right there things just fell into place …it’s been a ” fast ” couple weeks for the Raider Nation…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Mr Boller better have one heck of a game!
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Hawaiian,
Boller holds a clipboard with the best of ‘em, my friend!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:45 am
KC couldn’t stop Bush last year even when they knew what was coming… Kc is without some of it’s best players…I’m thinking the Raiders win even with Boller at Qb…and last year our defense crushed Cassell and this years Raider defense is much better..
October 20th, 2011 at 7:48 am
What a week.
Just found out that we are going to have another kid! If the Raiders win the SB this season I will name him (if it is a boy) Carson Palmer Dakota. If it is a girl I will name her Rosie Palmer Dakota.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Congrats, Dakota!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:49 am
649.LA to TheBay Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:42 am
Mr Boller better have one heck of a game!
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Hawaiian,
Boller holds a clipboard with the best of ‘em, my friend!
LOL…OUCH! Which is why we got Palmer…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Congrats Dakota!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Congrats Dakota!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Haha hwnrdr
October 20th, 2011 at 7:51 am
But…what the hell was up with all that nonsense last night?
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I missed it. What happened?
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Congrats Dakota
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Payton Manning is a great example of what a difference a qb can make. From a playoff contender to a contender in the suck for Luck sweepstakes. I hope they don’t get him especially if he turns out as good as projected. They don’t deserve him after having Manning for a decade. I also hope Denver and KC don’t get him. Maybe Miami or Minnisota. It would be interesting to see what the rams would do if they got first choice.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Dakota Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:48 am
What a week.
Just found out that we are going to have another kid! If the Raiders win the SB this season I will name him (if it is a boy) Carson Palmer Dakota. If it is a girl I will name her Rosie Palmer Dakota.
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Congrats man, whatabout Dane Palmer Dakota?
October 20th, 2011 at 7:53 am
fingers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:45 am
KC couldn’t stop Bush last year even when they knew what was coming… Kc is without some of it’s best players…I’m thinking the Raiders win even with Boller at Qb…and last year our defense crushed Cassell and this years Raider defense is much better..
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Exactly. I think this will be our most dominant performance so far this season. We’re puttin up 40. They cant stop our run. The play action thats going to be open is going to be ridiculous. Im not backing down from my statement of 40+.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:53 am
Heres to Rosie Palmer Dakota.
October 20th, 2011 at 7:56 am
If I had another son…which I know I won’t…Allen Palmer and some long Hawaiian name will suffice…
October 20th, 2011 at 7:56 am
MNF schedule from here on out is insanely bad.
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I have the feeling we will be “flexed” into the spotlight a couple of times! green bay game almost a certainty!
October 20th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Allen Palmer Humanumakaliaweauliana?
October 20th, 2011 at 7:58 am
Congratulations Dakota but I am still going to beat you on Sunday on our FF league!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:01 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Dane Palmer Dakota
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Good choice, my name’s Dane!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:02 am
daraider09 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:01 am
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Dane Palmer Dakota
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Good choice, my name’s Dane!
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I can top that!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Thanks guys!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:06 am
raiderkoolaid Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Payton Manning is a great example of what a difference a qb can make. From a playoff contender to a contender in the suck for Luck sweepstakes. I hope they don’t get him especially if he turns out as good as projected. They don’t deserve him after having Manning for a decade. I also hope Denver and KC don’t get him. Maybe Miami or Minnisota. It would be interesting to see what the rams would do if they got first choice.
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Agreed. I often said these last few years on here that we would be an 11-5 or 12-4 team if we had Manning at QB. Then the team has gotten really good around the QB and both Grads and Campbell were also upgrades over anything we had since Gannon. Now, with Palmer, we have the chance to compete for a Super Bowl as soon as this year.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:06 am
What happened to Shaughnessy that he’d messed up his shoulder so badly? Anyone remember the play it happened?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:08 am
665.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Allen Palmer Humanumakaliaweauliana?
LOL…pretty good Bcz24!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:08 am
very early in the Jets game is all I can tell you, first or second series I think
October 20th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Is Tamba Hali really that good or are Chiefs fans dillusional? I keep reading how “whoever we have at QB is gonna get trounced by Tamba Hali!”
Really. Maybe he is. I don’t know. Don’t pay that much attention to the Chiefs. I certainly wouldn’t consider him anything near an elite pass rusher. Maybe the equivalent of a Robert Mathis and that’s what passes for an unstoppable force in KC? Does that sound about right.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Of course hwnrdr… I went to Maui once, so I a uniquely qualified to generate long unpronouncable Hawaiian names.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Chris,
Hali is a great pass rusher. 15 sacks last year. On pace for 12 or so this year. He and Veldheer are gonna have a battle, that’s for sure
October 20th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Congrats Dakota. Happy to hear the equipment in still working. lol
October 20th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Rest in H*ll Quadaffi. You and Saddam are in the same place.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Oh yes and congrats to Dakota for still having silver bullets in the gun!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:14 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Chris,
Hali is a great pass rusher. 15 sacks last year. On pace for 12 or so this year. He and Veldheer are gonna have a battle, that’s for sure
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I don’t know. I don’t buy him as “great.” He’s no Demarcus Ware or Jared Allen when he’s at his best. Or Clay Matthews. Or Mario Williams. Or Dwight Freeney when he’s on.
I feel like he’s comparable to Mathis or Derrick Burgess’ more average years in Oakland.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:16 am
The chefs can be had with a strong game from the defense, their running game is suspect since Charles went down, the defense has to continue to put extreme and relentless pressure on the QB. Cassel needs to be running for his life, and the dbacks need to control Bowe.
The chefs have a decent DLine that could cause problems for either Boller or Palmer if he plays. The Raiders got to run 70% of the time and force the chefs to bring their safeties in. It’s time to get Boss the ball, go back to where the TE got most of the throws, at least for this game.
Whoever the QB is on Sunday, HueJax has to call a safer game, and avoid getting either QB hurt.
I can see a 16-6 game for the Raiders.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Tamba Hali is more like a Cameron Wake, or James Harrison, or even Kamerion Wimbley on our team.
The difference he is in a 3-4 scheme, which allows him to rush the passer almost exclusively. He doesnt have too many responsibilities outside of that even though he’s a linebacker. Unlike Wimb;ey, who is asked to do a lot more than just blitx since he’s in a 4-3 scheme, which actually calls for linebackers to have talents outside of blitzing.
Kinda like Pittsburg’s outside linebackers; they’re not that good but they get inflated stats because all they’re asked to do is blitz. Dont have to cover tight ends, backs, etc too often.
That’s Tamba Hali. Good pass rusher, that’s it.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Several spellings of Gadhafi. All of them are deceased.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Which is to say he’s “pretty good” but certainly not a force that can take over a game with constant pressure and maybe a couple of sacks and even a turnover or two.
If he truly were that, it’s hard to see the Chiefs getting beat 800-6 the first two games of the season. He’s never popped off the screen to me in the games we’ve played them.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:18 am
What a week.
Just found out that we are going to have another kid! If the Raiders win the SB this season I will name him (if it is a boy) Carson Palmer Dakota. If it is a girl I will name her Rosie Palmer Dakota.
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Congrats, but I thought the name would be Sullivan Palmer Dakota?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:23 am
I feel like Hali is more like the Harrison of now, not the Defensive POY Harrison was a couple of seasons ago. Maybe comparable to Wake and Wimbley. He strikes me as a little stronger but not quite as quick as those two but ultimately has about the same impact.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:26 am
… awaiting moderation.
How about Sarah Pal!n Nugent Dakota?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Ryan Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:26 am
… awaiting moderation.
How about Sarah Pal!n Nugent Dakota?
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Bwahahhaha, just saw that picture! LOL how much plastic was in their face?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Congrats Dakota….
October 20th, 2011 at 8:30 am
We need a young defensive tackle.. Seymour. .. Kelly. . Henderson. .all I in their 30s…. maybe a solid CB as well…ill settle for that next season.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:31 am
675.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Of course hwnrdr… I went to Maui once, so I a uniquely qualified to generate long unpronouncable Hawaiian names.
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Maui is dope!….Whaler’s Village….get ya block report updated
October 20th, 2011 at 8:31 am
687.Ryan Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:26 am
… awaiting moderation.
How about Sarah Pal!n Nugent Dakota?
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HAHAHAHA
October 20th, 2011 at 8:32 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:30 am
We need a young defensive tackle.. Seymour. .. Kelly. . Henderson. .all I in their 30s…. maybe a solid CB as well…ill settle for that next season.
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Next season we trade our 2014 1st round and our 2015 2nd rounder.. Haloti Ngata
October 20th, 2011 at 8:33 am
You will be in trouble if you let us on this blog name him or her Dakota. lol
October 20th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Lmn. … it Wont be long before we’re giving our 2020.. #1 pick…LOL
October 20th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Carson Palmer McFadden Dakota
October 20th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Which is to say he’s “pretty good” but certainly not a force that can take over a game with constant pressure and maybe a couple of sacks and even a turnover or two.
If he truly were that, it’s hard to see the Chiefs getting beat 800-6 the first two games of the season. He’s never popped off the screen to me in the games we’ve played them.
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Hes definitely a good player, but nothing like what we saw in Houston with Williams, before he got hurt. He’ll definitely get pressure, but he’s not unblockable by any means.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:37 am
Maui is dope!….Whaler’s Village….get ya block report updated
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Yeah I stayed at Napili Point for 9 days. It was freakin amazing!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Chiefs at Raiders
Florio’s take: Whether it’s Carson Palmer or Kyle Boller or Terrelle Pryor or JaMarcus Russell or Jeff George or Ken Stabler, the Raiders are riding the “just win, baby” vibe, and they seem to be on their way to a playoff berth. One way to get there is to continue their recent mastery of the AFC West.
Florio’s pick: Raiders 27, Chiefs 23.
Rosenthal’s take: I’d pick the Raiders even if Kyle Boller were starting. Heck, I’d pick the Raiders even if Florio’s buddy Brett Favre were starting. Oakland is built on aggressive line play on both sides of the ball, not their quarterbacks. Kansas City’s season has been built on beating two bad teams.
Rosenthal’s pick: Raiders 26, Chiefs 20.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:39 am
I hear Philly wanted to deal us asante samuels and Vince young… Im glad we said thanks but no to both
October 20th, 2011 at 8:40 am
I wonder how Asomugha, Miller, Gallerry feel right now…?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Well, who cares…no longer on the team! Lets Go Raiders!!!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Just don’t take KC lightly. They are not a good team, but they are an NFL team, and they see an opportunity to save there season by beating The Raiders. We can’t have a let down.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Koolaid, exactly!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Code black seriously $$$$$$
October 20th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Oakland is built on aggressive line play on both sides of the ball, not their quarterbacks.
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Why is this so hard for some to understand? People throw around win-loss records like the QB is the sole player responsible for the wins. Let me tell ya…If the team depended on Soup to win games for us we would certainly not be 10-7 with him as starter. Soup is mediocre. But the team is real good, Get ovah it!
October 20th, 2011 at 8:48 am
The ghost of Al Davis says that Palmer will start.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:49 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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All of our WR’s are better options than T.O. at this point. We are going to be set at WR for a good while.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 6:15 am
From what I just heard, Boller will be (and should be) starting on Sunday.
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I also expect to see Boller start. We should be able o win with Boller against the Chiefs. But, if for whatever reason we fall behind, I fully expect to see CP inserted into the game. It would be nice to see Boller win this game BIG. It would give him something to hang his hat on in the future, if needed.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:52 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
These are the things That I talk about regarding al davis…. he would feel indebted towards guys like jc…. as we can see .. those days are over for the Raiders. .. I guess its good and bad… but mostly bad..IMO
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Nahhh…it’s all good. The future is bright. Trask and Jackson are operating with a fierce sense of urgency.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:52 am
703.DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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Nope. We have a fantastic core of WRs. Some would say the best overall group from top to bottom in the NFL. That might be a bit of a stretch but its not far from the truth.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:54 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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1st, Palmer never would do so, he didnt like the guy and TO is done..
2nd, our WRs are better than T.O as of how his play is today..
3rd, we might get stinko next season for free, so Dutch, the better question would have been, if Palmer advocated it, would we approve of a 85 signing…
October 20th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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Nope. We have a fantastic core of WRs. Some would say the best overall group from top to bottom in the NFL. That might be a bit of a stretch but its not far from the truth.
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They were throwing Oakland around this morning as a T.O. destination on NFL network…because of Palmer.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Here is a point Simms mentioned on Inside the NFL. The Raiders dont want to start Kyle Boller because what if (its a big reach) what if Boller comes out and totally lights it up. That would create controversy over the Palmer aquisition and his starting going forward. Not sure I agree but it is a valid thought
October 20th, 2011 at 8:56 am
703.DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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No.
October 20th, 2011 at 8:57 am
715.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Here is a point Simms mentioned on Inside the NFL. The Raiders dont want to start Kyle Boller because what if (its a big reach) what if Boller comes out and totally lights it up. That would create controversy over the Palmer aquisition and his starting going forward. Not sure I agree but it is a valid thought
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If this were to happen, we know we have a good back up.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:00 am
The reports were that CP was working out with both T.J. and T.O. so there is a connection there. On the other hand, NO TERRELLE OWENS!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:01 am
bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Here is a point Simms mentioned on Inside the NFL. The Raiders dont want to start Kyle Boller because what if (its a big reach) what if Boller comes out and totally lights it up. That would create controversy over the Palmer aquisition and his starting going forward. Not sure I agree but it is a valid thought
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If Kyle Boller lit it up, it would say more about how bad KC is than it would about how good Boller is. This would never be a QB controversy, because Boller could never be a better QB than Palmer, no matter what one game would say. Phil Simms needs to get outta here.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:02 am
The reports were that CP was working out with both T.J. and T.O. so there is a connection there. On the other hand, NO TERRELLE OWENS!
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Palmer himself said the only NFL WR he has thrown to is Housurdada.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Carson was working with TO because he was one of a very limited group of NFL calibur WRs who are currently unemployed. Throwing the ball on the practice field and dealing with constant distracting selfish antics in a game are quite another.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:04 am
1st, Palmer never would do so, he didnt like the guy and TO is done..
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Really? Because NFL network said that T.O. signed with cincinnati b/c of Palmer lobbying. Also they supposedly been working out this year together.
“Though Rosenhaus wouldn’t specify where, the trainer for Carson Palmer told me that Owens had been catching passes and working out with the new Oakland Raiders quarterback at Athletes Performance Inc., in Los Angeles.”
October 20th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Honestly, T.O. WISHES he was still good enough to crack our roster. Unfortunately for him, at this stage, he’s not anymore.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:06 am
I saw that Simms comment on Inside the NFL. I generally like Simms, but sometimes he comes out with the most idiotic stuff and you feel almost embarrassed for him.
Does he really think that there is any chance of a QB controversy given Palmer’s pedigree, what we gave up to get him and Boller’s track record?
Forget the fact that it’s highly unlikely that Boller goes for 300+ yards and 3+ TDs.
Fear of Kyle Boller playing great football is not the reason we may rush Carson Palmer in there.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:07 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Would you take T.O. if Carson Palmer advocated the signing?
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That circus isn’t welcome in Oakland.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:11 am
If and that’s a big IF…Palmer would lobby for TO…Who would we cut and why? I don’t think it would work…not now anyways…
October 20th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Chris In NY Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:06 am
I saw that Simms comment on Inside the NFL. I generally like Simms, but sometimes he comes out with the most idiotic stuff and you feel almost embarrassed for him.
Does he really think that there is any chance of a QB controversy given Palmer’s pedigree, what we gave up to get him and Boller’s track record?
Forget the fact that it’s highly unlikely that Boller goes for 300+ yards and 3+ TDs.
Fear of Kyle Boller playing great football is not the reason we may rush Carson Palmer in there.
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I think there’s so much pressure on some of these guys to come up with a new take – something nobody else has thought of – that they end up making some real dumb comments.
At the same time, I don’t see why we would rush Palmer out there. We can best the Chefs with Boller.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:14 am
THE RAIDER PREDICTION BOARD
Dedicated to the legacy of Al Davis
Protected by the rally squirrel and Coliseum rodents
First: Ghostraider (exact score)
Second: Sullivan44
Third: Pretty Rick
Fourth: Sullivan44
Fifth: Fingers
Sixth: Zymurge Raiders 23, Browns 17
Honorable Mention: LA for PAIN
909RaiderLifer RAIDERS—30 QUEEFS—17
antispy3 Raiders 23 Chefs 13
Big Honkin Balls Oakland 35 KC ass wipes 10
Blackmamba_20 Raiders 34 Cheifs 16
Chris in NY Raiders 31-10
crazy_eyepatch OctobOak – 34 KC – 17 GO RAIDERS!
exlaraiderseasonticketholder 34-10 Raiders.
fingers Raiders 27…Chefs 17 Long live Raider Nation!
HueKnows Raiders 42-28
J Hill Raiders 27 Chiefs 13
L.A. Raider Dave Oak 31 KC 14.
mcfadden20 Raiders 31-9 over stupid chiefs
Method To My Madness Raiders 24 Chiefs 21
neilb Raiders 30 Chiefs 10.
o oakland 45 kc 10
Pretty Rick Raiders-27 Chiefs-13
RaiderRockstar Palmer? Raiders 35 Chiefs 3
Boller? Oakland 13 KC 10
Raiders_83 Raiders 41 Squaws 13
raidermarty RAIDERS 24 chiefs 13 CODE BLACK!!!
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Al Davis Raiders- 31
kc queefs- 13
RedneckRaider 34-13
rob_raider raiders 34 chiefs 13
Ryan If Palmer starts: Raiders 34 Chiefs 10
If Boller starts: Raiders 24 Chiefs 20
SilverAndBlackBleeder Raiders 37 Chiefs 17
SilverNBlackPA Raiders 23 – Chiefs 16
Sullivan44 Raiders 31, Chiefs 24
StraitOutofComptonRaidr Raiders 24 Chiefs 10
Tjbwall Raiders 38 Cheifs 13
Try Some Reality Raiders 27 Chiefs 16
Whats a Drexl? Raiders 24 Chiefs 21
October 20th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Raiders 27 Chefs 17
October 20th, 2011 at 9:18 am
All the experts have their own take on Palmer, it is very easy for them to dismiss him downside of his career, look at the numbers. Fact is we have not had a qbwith this type of pedigree in years, and if you don’t think Palmer has a chip on his shoulder……he does. This will work by the way schlereth today thought it was a good move.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:18 am
That Simms comment is one of the dumbest things I’ve yet heard regarding Palmer and that covers acres–nay, square miles–of stupidity.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:20 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:04 am
1st, Palmer never would do so, he didnt like the guy and TO is done..
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Really? Because NFL network said that T.O. signed with cincinnati b/c of Palmer lobbying. Also they supposedly been working out this year together.
“Though Rosenhaus wouldn’t specify where, the trainer for Carson Palmer told me that Owens had been catching passes and working out with the new Oakland Raiders quarterback at Athletes Performance Inc., in Los Angeles.
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True, they played together in cinci, true CP wanted TO then, but afterwards he wasnt high on CP’s list
TO is done, I havent heard anything about CP training with TO, but he himself have said he have trained with TJ housmansahdeh!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:21 am
24-17 Raiders
October 20th, 2011 at 9:22 am
On to the Palmer era….let’s move on gentlemen….im gonna get behind him cuz he is our qb and he does work hard….so let’s ride…CODE BLACK
October 20th, 2011 at 9:27 am
On Twitter, Jerry floated the idea of Palmer going deep on the first play. Normally I think a statement move like that is cool. But with Palmer’s rustiness and the fact that I guarantee you KC knows Hue’s style and knows that’s a distinct possibility I think they’ll be ready for it.
Instead, I’d set it up like that. Three-receiver set. Send all those guys deep to run off the DBs, then run your best screen pass to Boss or DMC. Set Palmer up with an easy completion to get him going and hopefully outthink the Chiefs for a huge gain in the process.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Raiders 24, Queefs 13
October 20th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Raiders 23-20 queefs
October 20th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Bartman Epstein Dakota?
And congrats…
October 20th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Q-
Raiders 26
Chefs 0
October 20th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Or Wile E. Dakota
and you can call him Magic, after our stellar Oline coach…
October 20th, 2011 at 9:35 am
You know what guys? Forget the score predictions! I predict Raiders get the W! and the Kansas City Queefs get the L.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:36 am
LOL Bo
October 20th, 2011 at 9:39 am
That was funny Bo!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:40 am
741.RaiderResurrection Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:35 am
You know what guys? Forget the score predictions! I predict Raiders get the W! and the Kansas City Queefs get the L.
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Hear ya bruh
October 20th, 2011 at 9:40 am
Bo clearly is the best comedian on here and its not close
October 20th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Funny Dolphins selling out this weekend for people coming to see Tebow…
October 20th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Or Wile E. Dakota
and you can call him Magic, after our stellar Oline coach…
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Awesome!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:43 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Funny Dolphins selling out this weekend for people coming to see Tebow…
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so does Moon weddings…
October 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I think predictions of us completely smashing the Chiefs are unrealistic. They always play us hard, particularly in our billing. This will be a tough game, make no mistake.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:45 am
our building*
October 20th, 2011 at 9:46 am
the trade deadline was tuesday, right?
we should have traded Michael Bush for a 2nd and a 4th to the Lions!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am
we should have traded Michael Bush for a 2nd and a 4th to the Lions!
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1. We don’t have a reliable backup to DMAC (TJones isnt ready yet)
2. Who knew Harrison would fail his physical
3. Bush isn’t worth a 2 and a 4 IMO
October 20th, 2011 at 9:48 am
746.DutchRaider77 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Funny Dolphins selling out this weekend for people coming to see Tebow…
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Gator fans adored homeboy…I mean a heisman and two natl titles
October 20th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Until Wednesday, a day after he was traded to the Oakland Raiders, Carson Palmer hadn’t played or practiced since the end of last season.
While it might be difficult to believe he could be ready to start an NFL game at quarterback under those circumstances, the Chiefs were planning to see Palmer, a two-time Pro Bowler, as well as veteran backup Kyle Boller in Sunday’s game against the Raiders in Oakland.
“We’ve just got to plan on either guy,” Chiefs coach Todd Haley said. “Carson has a long track record in the NFL. We played against him a couple years ago in Cincinnati.
“We have very good familiarity with his strengths. Kyle, the same thing. We’ve seen him through the years in a number of different places. He was on tape last week some. Much like (the recent Indianapolis game), we’ve got to prepare for two guys. That happens on occasion, and this is one of those weeks.”
Predictably, the Raiders weren’t saying whether Palmer would play against the Chiefs, though media reports indicated they had decided on him as their starter.
“I’ll let you know that later on in the week,” Raiders coach Hue Jackson told reporters in Oakland. “I’m not in a rush. I don’t have to rush that decision. I’m going to take my time and see where they are and see how fast he picks up the system, see how fast he gets in line with his teammates and we’ll kind of go from there.”
Jackson said Palmer, Boller and rookie Terrelle Pryor took snaps with the first team in practice on Wednesday.
For the Chiefs, the difference between Palmer and Boller is dramatic. Palmer was the first player taken in the 2003 draft and for a couple of seasons was one of the league’s top quarterbacks. He threw for 60 touchdowns and almost 8,000 yards for Cincinnati in 2005 and 2006.
But Palmer hasn’t been as dynamic a player since then.
Boller is a former starter for Baltimore and St. Louis, though not as accomplished as Palmer. His advantage is that he played for the Raiders last season, went to camp with them this year and played in last week’s win over Cleveland after starting quarterback Jason Campbell was knocked out of the game because of a broken collarbone.
Haley was vague about what the Chiefs have planned if they see Palmer and how it might differ if they play against Boller.
“You have to take a lot of things into account.” Haley said. “First and foremost, we’ve got to stop one of the best running attacks in the league and one of the best backs in the league (Darren McFadden). If we don’t do that, it will be a long day for us and it won’t matter who’s playing quarterback.”
Palmer indicated he had not been told whether he would start against the Chiefs.
“I’m doing everything I can and preparing as if that’s the case, and we’ll see what happens,” he said. “I’m going to do whatever’s asked of me. If that’s what’s asked of me, that’s what I’m going to do. I’m preparing and doing everything I can for that to happen, and it’s the coach’s decision to make.”
It might make more sense for the Raiders to play Boller against the Chiefs. They have a bye next week, which would give Palmer two weeks of preparation for a Nov. 6 home game against Denver.
But that wouldn’t be Oakland’s usual way. Last week they traded for linebacker Aaron Curry, and he wound up starting against the Browns.
Starting after a short week of preparation at quarterback is different and far more difficult. But Jackson, who coached Palmer in college at USC and earlier in his pro career with the Bengals, didn’t appear concerned.
“That would be tough,” Jackson said. “But if anybody can do it, he can. We’ll get him in practice and see where he is and see how his body is … and kind of go from there.
“I know he trains. He trains hard. He takes care of his body. He takes care of his emotional side. He’s played this game. It’s all he’s known for the last eight years of his life.”
Read more: http://www.kansascity.com/2011/10/19/3218084/chiefs-prepare-to-face-palmer.html#ixzz1bLEOKx5x
October 20th, 2011 at 9:49 am
752.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am
we should have traded Michael Bush for a 2nd and a 4th to the Lions!
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1. We don’t have a reliable backup to DMAC (TJones isnt ready yet)
2. Who knew Harrison would fail his physical
3. Bush isn’t worth a 2 and a 4 IMO
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Exactly bcz…as usual you on point
October 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am
LMN…its october and we just cant do it…we know Bush can come in and take 30 carries if need be in event dmac is hurt
October 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am
bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:47 am
we should have traded Michael Bush for a 2nd and a 4th to the Lions!
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1. We don’t have a reliable backup to DMAC (TJones isnt ready yet)
2. Who knew Harrison would fail his physical
3. Bush isn’t worth a 2 and a 4 IMO
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1. I think TJ is ready!
2. we should have done the deal ahead of the harrison deal
3. to the Lions he is a 2nd and a 4th!
=)
October 20th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am
LMN…its october and we just cant do it…we know Bush can come in and take 30 carries if need be in event dmac is hurt
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I get it, but I want some draft picks out of him and I want TJ on the field!
October 20th, 2011 at 9:56 am
756.Method To My Madness Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:50 am
LMN…its october and we just cant do it…we know Bush can come in and take 30 carries if need be in event dmac is hurt
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Good point. Bush is a workhorse and always seems to break one when they feed him the rock.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Man I hope we don’t throw Carson in Sunday. All logic and common sense says Boller starts and Carson takes over against Denver after the bye.
Raiders 27 Chefs 17
This time Hue opts for the FG.
October 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am
lmn – Are you smoking crack? There’s no way bush goes anywhere and quit worrying about next year’s draft when were not even halfway thru the season.
TJ will play when hue determines he’s ready and he’s obviously not. let the coach’s figure that stuff out.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Q… Raiders 20 chiefs 14…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:00 am
It would be great to get a pick or two for Bush but as B pointed out, we’d be in trouble if DMAC went down without Bush here to back him up. It’s all academic now anyway as the deadline has passed.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Qodrn – Raiders 44 – queefs 17
thanks
October 20th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I agree I would like to see TJ get more work, but realistically all of our games have been close. We havent been afforded the opportunity to give him his shot yet, but his time will come.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am
In the salary cap era, players like Michael Bush have become unaffordable luxuries. Just like teams can no longer afford to have a Steve Young on the bench while starting a Montana, they can no longer afford to stockpile a Michael Bush while starting a Darren McFadden. Cap just won’t permit it. Bush would be of great value on a rebuilding team looking for a serviceable tail back, and his agent knows it.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am
LMN….look here my euro pal….Bush has prvoen he can carry the load and move the chains….250 lbs is hell in the 4th quarter….we cant do it…i love TJ he is from the bay area but aint his time just yet
October 20th, 2011 at 10:03 am
NMD,
Either Bush or McFadden are going somewhere. We can’t keep them both.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Bush and McFadden both do their best work when they get more than 20 carries. Its unfortunate that the last few weeks we havent been feeding our guys the rock enough, but I full well expect that to change this week…
Welcome to the Black Hole Jackie Battle, this is where the big boys play, and trust me when I tell you (you know you like the Hue-ism) you are NOT going to have a very good day. You will be begging for Jones to spell you.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am
766.Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am
In the salary cap era, players like Michael Bush have become unaffordable luxuries. Just like teams can no longer afford to have a Steve Young on the bench while starting a Montana, they can no longer afford to stockpile a Michael Bush while starting a Darren McFadden. Cap just won’t permit it. Bush would be of great value on a rebuilding team looking for a serviceable tail back, and his agent knows it.
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This is quite true but no way we should have traded him tho…he will be gone next year but if we get in postseason a guy like him is very valuable…especially in inclement weather
October 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Canuck Raider,
“all common sense” says we start a lame duck QB Sunday who will be going in knowing he has no chance whatsoever of keeping his job? I think your definition of what is ‘common sense’ is questionable.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2011/10/back-to-football-week-7-scouting-report.html
October 20th, 2011 at 10:06 am
769.bcz24 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Bush and McFadden both do their best work when they get more than 20 carries. Its unfortunate that the last few weeks we havent been feeding our guys the rock enough, but I full well expect that to change this week…
Welcome to the Black Hole Jackie Battle, this is where the big boys play, and trust me when I tell you (you know you like the Hue-ism) you are NOT going to have a very good day. You will be begging for Jones to spell you.
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CODE BLACK-isms
October 20th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Scary…This is the second time I’ve agreed with MR lately…sort of. Bush is definitely going somewhere else to start next year. DMAC is going nowhere.
Hilarious stuff with B and MR last night by the way…Made my monthly net fee worthwhile right there.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:08 am
771.Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Canuck Raider,
“all common sense” says we start a lame duck QB Sunday who will be going in knowing he has no chance whatsoever of keeping his job? I think your definition of what is ‘common sense’ is questionable.
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With all the Carson buzz…no way is it fair to start boller…as soon as he does a bad play the crowd will yell for Palmer
October 20th, 2011 at 10:08 am
“all common sense” says we start a lame duck QB Sunday who will be going in knowing he has no chance whatsoever of keeping his job? I think your definition of what is ‘common sense’ is questionable.
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You question someones common sense while proposing the idea that our QB will tank the game because he knows he won’t remain the starter…
Interesting.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am
774.CanuckRaider Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Scary…This is the second time I’ve agreed with MR lately…sort of. Bush is definitely going somewhere else to start next year. DMAC is going nowhere.
Hilarious stuff with B and MR last night by the way…Made my monthly net fee worthwhile right there.
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Quite usual aint it? lol
October 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am
MR: Boller has enough to beat KC. You’d rather see a QB who hasn’t seen game action since January and is with a new team start after 2 or 3 practices? Great logic there.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:11 am
#777: Quite bizarre indeed B. His last comment was back to his usual level though…LOL.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:12 am
I’m all for keeping Bush until his contract expires. I’m no business man. Win football games. But Bush will eventually be gone. He’s too serviceable. And you can’t have two good RBs in this game today. Salary rules just won’t make it feasible. One of the reasons Al traded Gruden was to get some kind of value out of him. I think I would have rather had that SB trophy than Langston Walker and Tyler Brayton.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:01 am
LMN….look here my euro pal….Bush has prvoen he can carry the load and move the chains….250 lbs is hell in the 4th quarter….we cant do it…i love TJ he is from the bay area but aint his time just yet
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I agree with everything, but next season he gets his walking papers, then its just thanks for nothing!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am
CanuckRaider Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:09 am
MR: Boller has enough to beat KC.
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So does Palmer. And since he’ll be our long term QB anyway, I think he’s the best option to go with Sunday.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am
One of the Gruden trade picks was Phillip Buchanan. Fact checking is important.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Go raiders!!!!!!!!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Time for yard work. Leaves are all down up here…Sigh.
Later Nation…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 9:58 am
lmn – Are you smoking crack? There’s no way bush goes anywhere and quit worrying about next year’s draft when were not even halfway thru the season.
TJ will play when hue determines he’s ready and he’s obviously not. let the coach’s figure that stuff out.
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im not worrying about next years draft, im worrying we wont get a dime for a good player!
“Let the coach figure out that stuff” do you know how stupid that sounds, all these kinda blogs a designed to people like us, so we can show our coach and GM credentials..
NMD, if we shouldnt talk about that stuff here whats the point with this blog?
October 20th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Buchanon seemed like a good pick For awhile I don’t know what happened afterward
October 20th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Wow… without the trade back to the Eagles Jerome Harrison doesn’t get the physical that just found the brain tumor. That failed physical probably just saved his life!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Is this the game that Moore breaks out and run a punt back for a TD?
October 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I could see Bush resigning in Oakboro if we are an AFC title contender this year.
In essence, we could just give him the $$$ that we WON’T be paying our first round pick.
Plus, Bush knows DMAC is unlikely to stay healthy for 16+ games. Bush could instantly become a 25 carry/game horse at any time.
Sure, he will likely get an offer to be a feature back with another team, but won’t get a lot more money than here. RBs these days just don’t get those huge FA offers. And the Raiders do value him.
So if that other team(s) is a non-contender, he may well want to stay and get his title shot.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Good Post Bo!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Agree with Bo.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Chiefs at Raiders
Florio’s take: Whether it’s Carson Palmer or Kyle Boller or Terrelle Pryor or JaMarcus Russell or Jeff George or Ken Stabler, the Raiders are riding the “just win, baby” vibe, and they seem to be on their way to a playoff berth. One way to get there is to continue their recent mastery of the AFC West.
Florio’s pick: Raiders 27, Chiefs 23.
Rosenthal’s take: I’d pick the Raiders even if Kyle Boller were starting. Heck, I’d pick the Raiders even if Florio’s buddy Brett Favre were starting. Oakland is built on aggressive line play on both sides of the ball, not their quarterbacks. Kansas City’s season has been built on beating two bad teams.
Rosenthal’s pick: Raiders 26, Chiefs 20.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:23 am
790.Bo Schembechler Janet Good Times Jackson Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I could see Bush resigning in Oakboro if we are an AFC title contender this year.
In essence, we could just give him the $$$ that we WON’T be paying our first round pick.
Plus, Bush knows DMAC is unlikely to stay healthy for 16+ games. Bush could instantly become a 25 carry/game horse at any time.
Sure, he will likely get an offer to be a feature back with another team, but won’t get a lot more money than here. RBs these days just don’t get those huge FA offers. And the Raiders do value him.
So if that other team(s) is a non-contender, he may well want to stay and get his title shot.
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Its OAK-LAND….I know that is hard for you to comprehend while licking your paw wounds from the Sparty’s swords stickin ya over the weekend but its still no excuse….oh wait you love the Raiders and the Raiders are Oakland…..so you in turn love Oakland….no go ask Bookman for the keys cuz you locked yourself out
October 20th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Been seeing all the clips of Palmer at practice. Lots of interaction between he and Pryor. Very good thing.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Bo= summer 2011….”Trade DWAC, he is a menace victory”
October 20th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Gruden would not have taken our team to the SB if he stayed. Way too conservative. He proved it in NE when he got so sphinctitious after the tuck call.
Al got the 4 picks and the cash, and suddenly our offense blossomed too.
Trestman > Gruden as a playcaller.
Gannon with Trestman = MVP.
Gruden would never have won a SB without Dungy’s defense and a VERY LUCKY matchup with the team whose playcalls he knew.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Ask bookman for the keys…lol…funny sh*t right there!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Not in summer 2011, B. At least not seriously.
2010? yes, before Hue woke DMAC up.
Hey, I was key in PRESSURING DMAC to become the man we see now. Everyone knew he was fumbling and running weak until Hue and I threatened to punch his ticket outta town.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Raiders were just gettin ripped for giving #1 draft picks in espcecially with the new CBA, blah, blah, then went on to say the patsys, pack, steelers, and a few others wouldn’t give out 1st rd picks like they’re “Hallowe’en candy”.
The things these fools don’t see is that we’ve produced the best talent on this team with mid round picks. THOSE teams didn’t draft like we have recently so they can’t AFFORD to trade their 1st’s.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
CanuckRaider Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:15 am
One of the Gruden trade picks was Phillip Buchanan.
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Buchanan wasn’t drafted via a pick from Tampa. He was drafted with the pick we were already entitled to. Langston Walker was Tampa’s.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Bo…keep it coming…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Samson Satele full go at practice. No Reece, Johnson or Chekwa at practice. Rolando McClain out, but will still play in game.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Oh, Canuck…fact checking IS indeed important, I agree.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Gruden would never have won a SB without Dungy’s defense and a VERY LUCKY matchup with the team whose playcalls he knew.
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True, but WE wouldnt have had to play our old coach in the SB either, and we were better than everyone else. SO we WOULD have gotten that title if Gruden was still around. No question about it.
I blame McNabb and the Eagles for losing that HOME playoff NFC Championship game to the Bucs. If the eagles had won. We have ring # 4. No 2 ways about it. It was a perfect storm for Tampa…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Fk the gruden thing…it happened…its over…Gruden is superstar TV guy and i like watching him on TV he is entertaining….let’s just leave it alone./…big game on sunday
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Actually, Buchanan was via a pick we acquired from Atlanta. Still though, not Tampa. Langston Walker was the pick from Tampa.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Is Oakboro insulting? I thought not. Sorta same as Oaktown.
Bookman?! LMAO.
No lockout here, Florida left an extra key with Winona. Might as well touch it while I’m over there…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
803.RaiderChaos Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Samson Satele full go at practice. No Reece, Johnson or Chekwa at practice. Rolando McClain out, but will still play in game.
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MANASE TONGA!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Canuck Raider,
Since fact checking is important to you:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2002_NFL_Draft
October 20th, 2011 at 10:33 am
808.Bo Schembechler Janet Good Times Jackson Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Is Oakboro insulting? I thought not. Sorta same as Oaktown.
Bookman?! LMAO.
No lockout here, Florida left an extra key with Winona. Might as well touch it while I’m over there…
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA…no one calls it Oaktown anymore…either the town,the O or just plain old Oakland
October 20th, 2011 at 10:33 am
brb
October 20th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Getting sick of seeing Herrera weaseling his way and standing there in all these pressers.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Gruden couldn’t call plays good enough to win AFC. No heart.
Numbers prove how much BETTER we got after he left.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:34 am
I think Bo’s saying “Oakboro” as a reference to “Foxboro”, as in we’re the next New England-like dynasty.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Bo Schembechler Janet Good Times Jackson Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Gruden would not have taken our team to the SB if he stayed. Way too conservative. He proved it in NE when he got so sphinctitious after the tuck call.
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I’m a Gruden fan and I think it’s very possible we get to the Super Bowl if he stayed. But I do remember being very pizzed he decided to run out the clock at the end of regulation, rather than try to get us in FG range. There was enough time to make that happen. Playing not to lose almost never works out.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:37 am
813.morilla Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Getting sick of seeing Herrera weaseling his way and standing there in all these pressers.
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HAHAHAHAHA. True Speak!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Jon Gruden is the most successful Oakland Raiders coach since Tom Flores.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Really. Who does Herrera answer to now? Why can’t Hue just fire him?
October 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am
If we had kept Gruden, then he woulda been in control of personnel. Imagine THAT disaster. He ruined TB’s roster.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Also, Callahan was the one who opened up the “Air” game…wasn’t happening with Gruden! But like B says…he’s gone and he is NOT coming back!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Oakland, Oaktown, Oakboro or Oakville, its all tomaydo-tomahto to me, as long it got Oak in it, im fine with it..
October 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Carson Palmer sideline throws arrive in a hurry, plenty of zip on his throws.
Get em Carson, do your damn thang!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Actually, I beleieve Oakville is another town in Cali…like Oakdale…correct me if I’m wrong guys…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Bo, in the time Gruden was in Tampa, they were far better than we were.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Callahan really opened up that air game in the Super Bowl, didn’t he?
October 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Tha town. Town bidness.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:43 am
In all fairness, we did get to a conference championship with Gruden only to lose to perhaps the greatest defense of all time. Then, we’re a couple kneel-downs away from heading back to another conf championship game before the refs stole it with a ruling “that the quarterback’s arms was going forward,” somehow finding enough indisputable evidence after 10 minutes of review to change the call.
Anyway, Gruden basically got us to the conf championship game twice. No reason to think we couldn’t have gone to the SB with him.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:44 am
“Oaktown” makes me think of 1994. lol. Spice 1, and 40’s of Old E.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Ok, MR, you got me there…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Chris, even they know Gruden was our best coach since Flores. They’re just downplaying his accomplishments because he fell out with Al.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Not in his last game MR. Al ended Jons coaching career. Ironic.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:45 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Actually, I beleieve Oakville is another town in Cali…like Oakdale…correct me if I’m wrong guys…
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still, I dont care, how many of those towns has an NFL team?
October 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:42 am
Bo, in the time Gruden was in Tampa, they were far better than we were.
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I don’t think that’s true. I believe we were favored to win that game.
If Dungy were still coaching Tampa there’s no reason to believe we couldn’t have done so. But the fact that their coach knew our team inside and out and Bill “Dumbest Team in America” Callahan supposedly didn’t even change the verbiage of our playcalls and it’s clear everything was completely tilted against us in that matchup.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Listening to Adam Schine and Gannon… Schine is so up into The Chefs he’s hurting knowing the Raiders have Palmer….I’m not sure starting Palmer is the best idea this Sunday but even straight off the street I think Palmer gives us a better chance to win Sunday than Boller does…that said.. I still believe if Boller starts the Raiders beat the chefs….remember , it was Bush and our defense that knocked Cassell silly last year…..
Raiders 27…. Chefs 17…
Long Live Raider Nation…
October 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I believe if Gruden’s our coach in ‘02, we win the Super Bowl that year. Tampa probably wouldn’t have made it. We probably would have faced Phily, and would have handled them easily like we did in ‘01.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Well, maybe he could have, maybe he couldn’t have…doesn’t matter now! Is Hue and Palmer going to do it for us? That is what I want to know now! Gruden was conservative, Calahan was too &*&**&* to not disguise some plays…whatevers, it was 9 years ago!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:47 am
In so many ways, Bo, Jon ended Al’s career on Jan. 26th, 2003, too.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Man, we could really use Reece. The dude is a true weapon at FB.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:49 am
836.Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I believe if Gruden’s our coach in ‘02, we win the Super Bowl that year. Tampa probably wouldn’t have made it. We probably would have faced Phily, and would have handled them easily like we did in ‘01.
That I agree with…but cannot turn back time!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Hwnrdr,
We were talking about whether or not Bush should be traded to get max value, or keep him till his contract runs out. I brought up how Al traded Gruden to get maximum value, and the disaster that ensued. Fair argument.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Let’s move forward guys because we can debate the Super Bowl flop over and over again til we are blue in the face…doesn’t matter anymore…believe me, it still stings but…like Hwy 4 traffic…can’t do nothing about it!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:51 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/20/fitzgerald-laments-the-absence-of-anquan/
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Tell em Larry. Show me a great QB and I’ll show you a great set of WRs everytime.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
841.Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Hwnrdr,
We were talking about whether or not Bush should be traded to get max value, or keep him till his contract runs out. I brought up how Al traded Gruden to get maximum value, and the disaster that ensued. Fair argument.
Fair enough!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Really. Who does Herrera answer to now? Why can’t Hue just fire him?
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Either Mark wouldn’t allow that or there was some stipulation written up by Al before he passed that stated not to touch him.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I don’t know about all the what ifs but what I do know is Gruden made this team relevant during his time as coach. The players loved the guy, the fans loved the guy and when he was coaching I “”"expected”"” Our team to win. That is relevant enough for me. The reason we ran the ball so much is because we had a heck of a running game with Charlie Garnner (Wolverine)Crocket, Weatley, Zach and the blocking up front. Plus, we had Tim Brown who was money on converting a third down. RIch Gannon could pick a defnese a part chunk by chunk so there was no flinging the ball 40 yards down field unless someone got way open, usually it was Porter.
Not to mention we had a defense that you could depend on to make big time stops under Chucky.
The team won for a while under Callahan but they eventually hated the guys guts.
Loved Chucky on Sunday’s!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:54 am
845.morilla Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Really. Who does Herrera answer to now? Why can’t Hue just fire him?
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Either Mark wouldn’t allow that or there was some stipulation written up by Al before he passed that stated not to touch him.
That would suck if Herrera becomes the Capone of the Raider Org!
October 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am
In essence, we could just give him the $$$ that we WON’T be paying our first round pick.
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The money we are paying Palmer next year is our 1st round money and more.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I believe if Gruden’s our coach in ‘02, we win the Super Bowl that year. Tampa probably wouldn’t have made it. We probably would have faced Phily, and would have handled them easily like we did in ‘01.
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Those are my thoughts exactly! I always remembered that 2001 game because they were really good and I thought we might lose, considering it was an east coast game. We won 20-10 in the rain with Garner getting loose in Philly!
If we play them in 2002 we have ring # 4.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am
morilla Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Either Mark wouldn’t allow that or there was some stipulation written up by Al before he passed that stated not to touch him.
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Pfft. Stipulation. They should fire him. I doubt that could even hold up in court. As chaotic as the courts are today? What judge is going to hear a case about some kind of stipulation where someone keeps his job? I guarantee you he’d rule that they just pay Herrera his salary he was entitled to, and that’s it. And that would be fine. From there he’s out. That guy is an ass. He’s one of those remnants of everything that was bad with Al. Al did a lot of good things, dragging this Herrera goon around with him wasn’t one of them.
October 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am
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October 20th, 2011 at 10:57 am
822.La Milicia Negra Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Oakland, Oaktown, Oakboro or Oakville, its all tomaydo-tomahto to me, as long it got Oak in it, im fine with it..
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Stop disrespecting man…Oakland means alot to us and you dont understand
October 20th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:56 am
morilla Says:
October 20th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Either Mark wouldn’t allow that or there was some stipulation written up by Al before he passed that stated not to touch him.
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Pfft. Stipulation. They should fire him. I doubt that could even hold up in court. As chaotic as the courts are today? What judge is going to hear a case about some kind of stipulation where someone keeps his job? I guarantee you he’d rule that they just pay Herrera his salary he was entitled to, and that’s it. And that would be fine. From there he’s out. That guy is an ass. He’s one of those remnants of everything that was bad with Al. Al did a lot of good things, dragging this Herrera goon around with him wasn’t one of them.
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I’m not saying that it’s concrete. I was just guessing at situations that would allow him to still be around. Who knows.
October 21st, 2011 at 2:06 pm
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Dedicated to the legacy of Al Davis
Protected by the rally squirrel and Coliseum rodents
First: Ghostraider (exact score)
Second: Sullivan44
Third: Pretty Rick
Fourth: Sullivan44
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