Chiefs pick off Raiders and tighten up AFC West race
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, October 23rd, 2011 at 7:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Don’t blame this one on quarterback Kyle Boller, Raiders coach Hue Jackson said in the wake of his team’s 28-0 loss to the Kansas City Chiefs on Sunday. Steer clear of placing blame at the feet of quarterback Carson Palmer while you’re at it, Jackson added.
No, once again, this loss is on Jackson. It’s his way of falling on the sword, deflecting criticism away from his players and being accountable.
“Carson Palmer didn’t lose the game,” Jackson said. “Kyle Boller didn’t lose the game. Coach Jackson lost the game. And you guys can write that. And that’s fine. We will be back. This is a really good football team in there. We need to get healthy and we need to go to work. That’s what we’re going to do.”
That plays well in the locker room and to fans, perhaps. In the end, this game was on Boller and Palmer for having six of their 35 passes intercepted, including two that were returned for touchdowns.
There’s no way to sugarcoat such a dreadful performance. For some perspective, Donald Hollas is the last Raiders quarterback to have six passes intercepted in one game, and that came in 1998.
As a result, the Chiefs suddenly are players in the AFC West despite a disastrous 0-3 start in defense of their divisional title.
The Chiefs now are at 3-3, one game behind the pace-setting San Diego Chargers (4-2) and one-half game behind the Raiders (4-3).
“The thing that makes it tough right here is that we got a bye week, so we got to sit with this taste in our mouths for two whole weeks,” cornerback Stanford Routt said. “But, we’re 4-3, so we just got to go back to work. It’s only one game. There’s no reason to panic or anything like that. We definitely can’t play like that again. We definitely can’t do that.”
Safety Mike Mitchell said this game pointed out how the Raiders still aren’t at the point where they win without playing at or near their best football.
He said the top-tier teams don’t have games like this. They find a way to overcome injuries to key players and don’t lose games to supposedly inferior teams at home.
“For the good teams, it doesn’t happen like that,” Mitchell said. “That’s what we’re still striving to be. We’re striving to be a really good team that, hopefully, we can get to the point where these games are a thing of the past. But, obviously, we still got a lot of work to do.”
PALMER MAKES RAIDERS DEBUT
Jackson took great delight in playing cat and mouse with the media all week about whether Palmer would start against the Chiefs. All along, he said, he intended to go with Boller.
Not that the Chiefs cared one bit.
“We didn’t buy into none of that,” cornerback Brandon Flowers said. “Whoever they decided to start, we were going to be prepared and ready for. With each quarterback, maybe a little bit of their system changed. We knew maybe at some point they would make a switch … but we were prepared for whoever they put out there.”
Palmer said all the talk about Jackson being unsure whether he would start Boller or Palmer was a smokescreen, a game, designed to keep the Chiefs guessing.
“The plan was not to play,” Palmer said. “All week long, it was just being deceptive and giving Kansas City something to think about, I guess.”
Coach Jackson, tricky guy.
Jackson said he wanted to get Palmer into the game toward the tail end, just to get his feet wet. That changed when Boller had three passes intercepted, and it became apparent that the Raiders weren’t going anywhere under Boller’s guidance.
Palmer entered the game early in the third quarter, with the Raiders trailing 21-0. At first, it looked as if Palmer was the spark the Raiders offense needed.
He completed his first pass for 18 yards and marched the Raiders to the Chiefs 35-yard line. The Raiders punted a short time later, though.
On Palmer’s second pass of the fourth quarter, Flowers stepped in front of wide receiver Denarius Moore, caught Palmer’s pass in stride and returned it 58 yards for a touchdown.
Palmer didn’t have to be told what he did wrong on the play.
“Yeah, I knew it,” Palmer said. “That’s football 101. I can’t do that. I knew it just as the ball was coming out of my hand. I’ve seen that look a million times and pulled the ball down throughout my career, the eight years I’ve played in the NFL and the four years I played in college. I just didn’t react fast enough, it’s something I can’t do and I put our team in a bad position doing that.”
Palmer said he memorized only three or four line protections and a small portion of the playbook. He also lacked the desired timing with his receivers.
Now he gets two weeks to brush up on the offense and get in synch with his receivers before the Raiders play again. By then, he said he expects to be much more effective.
“Here’s a guy who’s been here for however many days trying to learn a whole offense, I’m trying to put some things in his ear so he has a chance,” Jackson said. “From my perspective, from where I sat, he did some good things. Obviously, there’s a couple of balls he wishes he had back, but that’s going to happen right now. We’re going to be fine.”
Overall, Palmer completed 8 of 21 passes for 116 yards, with three interceptions. His 17.3 passer rating is the worst of his NFL career in games in which he attempted at least 20 passes. Boller finished with a 22.3 passer rating.
JACKSON HAS ANIMATED EXCHANGE WITH HALEY
This fell well short of the heated exchange between 49ers coach Jim Harbaugh and Lions coach Jim Schwartz a week earlier, but it’s worth noting that Jackson showed his displeasure with Chiefs counterpart Todd Haley after the game.
“That’s between me and him,” Jackson said. “We get to play ‘em again. We’ll go to Kansas City here at some point down the road.”
Just a guess, but Jackson probably wasn’t thrilled by Haley calling for a deep pass with 2 minutes left and the Chiefs leading 28-0. Never mind that the pass for wide receiver Dwayne Bowe fell incomplete. It’s the principal.
The Chiefs ran out the clock on the final two plays, with quarterback Matt Cassel taking a knee.
When asked if the pass had anything to do with why he was upset with Haley, Jackson said:
“No. Oh, hey, he can do what he wants to do. It’s his football team over there. I respect that. That didn’t bother me. It’s OK. We’ll play ‘em again down the road.”
Hmmm, an already tense rivalry just got a little bit more heated, it appears.
Numerous players from each team jawed at each other in the south end zone before the game. At that time, Jackson intervened and played peacemaker. Or did he?
INTERCEPTIONS NOT A FRANCHISE RECORD
Believe it or not, the Raiders failed to match or set a franchise record for most interceptions in a game.
The record came in a game in 1977, when Kenny Stabler was intercepted seven times.
INJURIES UPDATE
Running back Darren McFadden started Sunday’s game, but he was nowhere to be seen by game’s end because of a sprained foot he suffered on one of his two carries.
As a result, the Raiders turned to Michael Bush and rookie Taiwan Jones in the running game. Bush responded with 99 yards on 17 carries. Jones added 18 yards on three rushes.
“I feel like I can step in and do a good job,” Bush said. “I had a good game today. Not to take away from myself, but I mean, like I said, this offensive line is doing a very good job in the running game, and when one guy goes down, somebody else has to step in.”
McFadden wasn’t the only Raiders player in pain by game’s end. Middle linebacker Rolando McClain suffered a lower leg injury, safety Matt Giordano left the game with neck spasms and tight end Kevin Boss suffered a concussion.
Fortunately for the Raiders, these players have two weeks before the next game. The Raiders should have close to a full complement of players for their Nov. 6 game against the Denver Broncos.
“The bye week is huge for getting people healthy so we can get our real team on the field,” Mitchell said.
VAN DYKE SHINES
Rookie cornerback DeMarcus Van Dyke was in the Chiefs’ crosshairs from the outset. Cassel targeted Van Dyke on the first play from scrimmage and later went back at him on the same series.
Van Dyke held up under pressure and got the last laugh when he intercepted a Cassel pass for running back Dexter McCluster. It marked Van Dyke’s first interception as an NFL player.
Van Dyke had clear sailing down the right sideline, but he stepped out of bounds before he could get rolling.
“Oh, man, I saw paydirt,” Van Dyke said. “But next time I’ll make sure I get in the end zone, for sure.”
Despite his solid effort, Van Dyke said he isn’t satisfied.
“I missed a couple of tackles out there that I should have made,” Van Dyke said. “My interception, I could have taken it to the crib and put points on the board. I just have to go back this week, watch film and get better every day.”
PRYOR MAKES RAIDERS DEBUT
It’s not every day that a quarterback makes his debut for a team midway through the season. The Raiders had two such occurrences Sunday, with Palmer and rookie Terrelle Pryor playing in a game for the Raiders for the first time.
Pryor was inserted into the lineup as a slot receiver on the Raiders third offensive play of the game. He went in motion, lined up behind center, called for the snap and … was called for a false-start penalty.
The referee said Pryor failed to pause before he called for the snap. Jackson disagreed with Jeff Triplette’s assessment.
“I didn’t think it was a penalty, but they called it,” Jackson said. “So, they said that there wasn’t a pause before the ball was snapped. Well, there’s a cadence before the ball was snapped, there’s a ’set-hut’ before the ball was snapped.”
Pryor returned to the sideline after the penalty was stepped off, and he never returned to the field the rest of the game.
Jackson said Pryor worked on the play in practice earlier this week.
“Yeah, he was ready for it,” Jackson said. “We practiced it. We practiced it several times. … We practiced it, and it didn’t work out the right way.”
PENALTIES BACK IN SPOTLIGHT
The Raiders committed only five penalties for 35 yards against the Cleveland Browns one week ago. Rather than progress, that effort now seems like a one-game aberration.
On Sunday, the Raiders were flagged 14 times for 120 yards, which goosed their lead in both categories. The Raiders have led in both categories since the first game.
As of now, they have committed 69 penalties for 600 yards. That’s 10 more than the Carolina Panthers and Tampa Bay Buccaneers and 100 yards more than the runner-up Panthers.
Routt was nailed for one of a handful personal-foul penalties committed by the Raiders on Sunday.
“We’ve got to be a little more disciplined, even myself as much as anybody on that last, or second-to-last or whatever, what happened on that last drive,” Routt said. “Yeah, we’re going to have to go ahead and keep our composure better. Obviously, this was one of those emotional-type games. Division rival; it’s a bitter rivalry.”
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October 23rd, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Epic beatdown by New Orleans right now. They could score 90 if they wanted to.
October 23rd, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Well, I’m out. Have a good night Left, Thec, and the rest of my Nation brothers.
October 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm
On Sunday, the Raiders were flagged 14 times for 120 yards, which goosed their lead in both categories.
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I knew we were going to get flagged obscenely as soon as I saw that Tripplett’s crew was officiating. He’s a chump!
October 23rd, 2011 at 7:58 pm
Im a HUGE hue jackson fan….But that one is on him in every way.
I know you have to be confident with your player and trust them, but Boller should have been handing the ball of every time, unless on passing downs.
and dont get me started on the trick plays….smh
Just build a Bullie Hue, so atleast if we lose, we dont blame you for your Bully talk
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:01 pm
This was a learning experience for rookie car salesman – don’t put yourself in that position!! We all knew we had no depth, and this is the result.
This answers SOup questions. We are terrible without him under center.
Boller is a nice guy but no where near a good QB. I had flashes of McClown out there.
Just how bad is Trent Edwards anyway if he couldn’t make backup on this team?
CP is the real deal, give him a couple of weeks to get into it and he’s gonna rock!
I lay this at Huejack City’s feet. A couple of injuries shouldn’t have put us in this spot. We so thin at several roster spots. How many CB have we run through?
Bush is the freakin’ man but he can’t do it all himself.
Good defense if we didn’t throw six interceptions, score would have been much much different!
Now I have to go pay all those sodas I bet!
HueJack City needs to NOT believe the hype, remember the schedule!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Steve Corkran… Nicely structured text this time, kudos, where credits is due, you know!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:05 pm
Colts showing us what losing a starting QB looks like.
It’s normal to get blown out when your #1 is out and your #2 is not an up-and-coming rookie.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:06 pm
autopalm77 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 7:56 pm
444….Good post…Always trying to use the speed literally instead of straight ahead……
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“literally” you mean Lateral?
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Kyle Bollers 2nd INT was on #17
Carson Palmers 1st INT was on #17
Carson Palmers 2nd INT was on #17
Moore really needs to step up.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
464.realtruraider Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:08 pm
The whole offense looked way out of sync today. This was some what expected without JC, but not to that extent.
DHB looks like are only WR out there and that has ben the case these last few games. I really hope these guys can get it together cause I don’t want to see T.O out there.
DHBEAST has to be in the lead for MUP now, I am glad I have him as my MUP. Always knew he had it in him.
Corky hates what DHB is doing, its making him look like a fool, today in his chat he still said DHB is the 6th best WR on the team LMFAO dude is the only WR on the team
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:12 pm
8…EVO phone and its suggestions…4 inch screen kind of tough to see…TY….
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
well back from the game and man am i pissed. first let me say that kc had everything lined up from injuries to inexperince at qb. with that being said this team just sucked. hue called a horrible game and was limited calling plays cuz of boller. that dude is impatient and erratic. he doesnt see the field nor is he accurate. he is bad enuff to bring down a good team. he is really that bad. dont know how he has a job. my biggest fears were realized. he is a turnover waitning to happen and he produces no points.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Many people want Pryor to play after being with the team for a couple of weeks now after very little pre-season work and no practice with the team for the 1st 5 weeks.Look what happened to an all-pro QB(Palmer) who also hasn’t had much time working with the team and realize Pryor has no business playing yet.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:15 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
Plain and simple, #Raiders were embarrassed at home to bad #Chiefs team, on a home-stand w/ bye week coming. Should’ve taken care of biz
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
#HueTalks about building bully, but no bully losses like that at home, regardless who is at QB. Need to bring it every week to be #Legit
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:18 pm
hue also needs to stop being stubborn and take the damn points. that 4th and goal shouldve been 3 or atleast run a better play. he leaves boss out of the game plan 2 much. the oline is also regressing. they havent been run blocking well since the jets game. no push up the middle from them mainly on the right side.
dhb is kickin azz but moore isnt. ford has also regressed some and this is why chaz should be our #2 wr. he is big and physical and he gets open faster.he is a bigger target on those slants. curry played well but that damn pass rush makes me sick.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
No Wasbanned,
the Raiders should NOT have taken care of business playing without a QB. Not many teams can do that (see Colts, Rams, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins).
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Armond,
disagreed. Getting 3 points on that 4th and 1 is throwing the towel. If you can’t score there, you’re not going to win anyways. 3 points would have been pointless. It was “TD or we’re-not-good-enough-today” on that play.
Hue’s aggressiveness is why we’re 4-3.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Real,did he really say DHB is the 6th best WR on the team?If so,it shows we have no business listening to anything he writes or says because DHB has been the most productive WR on this team since week 1 and his boy Moore looks worse by the week.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Exactly when did we become the Packers or Patriots where we should win with our #2 QB, #2 RB, and #2 kicker?
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Bunch of freaked-out girls in here.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
i hope yall see why me and brien kept screamming for a speed rusher for a few years now. there is no pressure from the edges that disrupt the offense. where the fugg is houston? we get a push up the middle but there is no one off the edge to collapse the pocket. that sack total is misleading. we are too hot and cold pressuring the qb. our defense suffers on 3rd down becuz of it. thats why they cant get off the field at times. the qb has 2 much time to scan the entire field and then we have a breakdown in coverage. also teams just run shorter routes and let the wr do the rest. they do that cuz they dont fear a outside rush.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Lefty, your obviously very knowledgeable from reading your many posts…Most rookie qb’s have a maturation process…It’s an aboration most times for them to come in and play well…Winning in the NFL is not about pomp and circumstance….
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
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@cottovic agreed. Hue was way too busy w trade and QB drama to get team fully prepared. No fire and play calls were too cute.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:24 pm
THAT, was one of the WORST things I have ever seen in the Oakland Coliseum. THANK GOD, the old man didn’t see that! And don’t put that loss on Boller. Maybe Jackson should have spent less time posing for photos with the 2011 Lombardi Trophy, and gotten his effing team ready.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:19 pm
No Wasbanned,
the Raiders should NOT have taken care of business playing without a QB. Not many teams can do that (see Colts, Rams, Dolphins, Seahawks, Redskins).
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That was a copy of dude’s post from twitter dumbazz. If you want to argue the point go talk to him.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Armond,
their QB had a 38 passer rating.
What the heck are you talking about – “lack of pressure”????
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
“This football team is not going to blink. We have to play better. We have to play better offensively. I take full responsibility.” Jackson
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
Thanks,just an old football junky.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
Stop making excuses fans, #Raiders just stunk it up. Live with it… 28-0 speaks for itself.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
wasbanned,
why post things you disagree with and just leave them there hanging?
Or if you agree with it, u r dumb
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
alex my point is he has to just take what he can get or make sure there is a better play. that bush in the wildcat sh1t was stupid. why not just hand it off to bush if u want to go for it?PA fake to boss or qb sneak with boller/pryor. dont mind the move as much as i hate the play call. if he takes the 3 he still had more than enuff time left in the game. it was only the 2nd qtr.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Home from the Game with a whole new appreciation for J-Camp.
That was a tough one. Early injuries to DMAC and Boss really screwed us.
I’m STILL DRUNK & I HATE THE FUGGIN’ CHIEFS!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
20….How can you talk about winning…???….That performance wasn’t even mediocre….It was pathetic….And there should be those who are held accountable…..!!!!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Denarious Moore is a rookie 5th round draft pick.
Lots of guys have great camps and light it up early. He just doesn’t have a complete game yet. Teams watch film. They identify a player’s weaknesses and play him accordingly.
Give him a little time.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
“STOP MAKING EXCUSES COLTS FANS, your team just sucks! It’s not about missing your starting QB!”
???
Makes as much sense as you girls in here.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:28 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:10 pm
Kyle Bollers 2nd INT was on #17
Carson Palmers 1st INT was on #17
Carson Palmers 2nd INT was on #17
Moore really needs to step up.
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And #17 was AWFUL on special teams. #17 doesn’t need to step up, #17 needs to be BENCHED.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
DHBEAST has to be in the lead for MUP now, I am glad I have him as my MUP. Always knew he had it in him.
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DHB was the best WR on the field today – but still only has 1 TD on the season.
Not Good Enough Dammit!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
26.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Armond,
their QB had a 38 passer rating.
What the heck are you talking about – “lack of pressure”????
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wtf fugg does qb rating have to do with pressure? cassel stinks and how many sacks did we get on him? did we really beat up that KC oline? we didnt dominate the damn trenches 2day and we get no fugging sacks and consistent pressure from our de’s. what the heck are u looking at?
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
wasbanned,
why post things you disagree with and just leave them there hanging?
Or if you agree with it, u r dumb
….
I just post things I think people are interested in reading. People’s opinions.
Your the dumbazz arguing with me about something I didn’t write.
If you don’t agree, just say “I don’t agree with Victor Cotto’s statement”
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Lefty, he sure did say that. He said that they are throwing the ball to him alot and if they would just throw the ball to Hagan,Moore, They would do alot better than DHB. I don’t think Corky will ever admit he was and is wrong about DHB.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
autopalm,
the loss was the fault of ONE POSITION, not having a QB yet.
Has nothing to do with the rest of the team, so why worry?
WE RAN THE BALL WELL, PLAYED SOLID RUN D, EXCEPTIONAL PASS D, GAVE UP 14 LEGIT POINTS
what are you concerned about? That we couldn’t pass today? ??
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
wasbanned Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:26 pm
cottovic Victor Cotto
Stop making excuses fans, #Raiders just stunk it up. Live with it… 28-0
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If that was a boxing match, they would have stopped it. After the lst half.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Props to the Raider Defense for being men today (at least until the final minute)
With 6 ints, 28 points is actually really good.
Run Def. was killing it today, so many TFLs!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Aaron Curry was a steal!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Armond,
I’m looking at a QB who sucked today, throwing for 161 yards, completing 50% of his passes, and throwing 2 interceptions with 0 TDs.
And you think he did that while feeling NO PRESSURE?
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
bigted
we keeping missing dhb on these money plays. we had him for a td down the middle and over threw it 2 him.
it was just all bad 2day. we are a much different offense without dmc and reece. as much as i like seeing tonga get his chance u can see how much an impact reece has. teams dont have to account for the fb when he isnt in. i would like to have seen jones get the rock more. i know bush had 99yds but it was the softest 99 ive seen from him. he isnt the power back he is made out to be.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Big Ted,
amazing what playing ZONE defense will do to your run defense huh?
I’ve only been saying that for 4 years on here.
Routt facing the play, blowing right by the WR streak route to tackle the RB on a toss play.
Beautiful.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
what are you concerned about? That we couldn’t pass today? ??
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No, I am concerned that we got completely outcoached. I am concerned that we couldn’t move them 4 inches on a 4th down at the goal line when the game really mattered. I am concerned that their Oline constantly blew our Dline off the ball. I am concerned that at a time when teams need to make a statement, a statement was made. The problem was one of our Arch Rivals made the statement. Other than that, it was fine.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Tonga >>>> Reece.
A good blocking FB is much more important to this offense than Reece getting 3 passes thrown his way as the 6th most-talented option.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:38 pm
BigTed707 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Aaron Curry was a steal!
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AC had a good game. So did Mike Huff.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:40 pm
45.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Armond,
I’m looking at a QB who sucked today, throwing for 161 yards, completing 50% of his passes, and throwing 2 interceptions with 0 TDs.
And you think he did that while feeling NO PRESSURE?
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armond Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:22 pm
i hope yall see why me and brien kept screamming for a speed rusher for a few years now. there is no pressure from the edges that disrupt the offense.
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38.armond Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
26.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Armond,
their QB had a 38 passer rating.
What the heck are you talking about – “lack of pressure”????
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wtf fugg does qb rating have to do with pressure? cassel stinks and how many sacks did we get on him? did we really beat up that KC oline? we didnt dominate the damn trenches 2day and we get no fugging sacks and consistent pressure from our de’s. what the heck are u looking at?
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do you know how to read? i am clearly talking about our de’s not getting enuff pressure not the whole damn
dline. if u dont see that then thats your problem. stop actin like u so much smarter than everyone. u makin yourself look dumb. read where i said DE instead of generalizing.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
We just completely made their QB look like crud, and you’re complaining that we need a DE to add more pressure.
It’s a dumb opinion, no way around it.
Basically you’re trying to convince that we pressured their QB into a horrible day, but it came from everyone EXCEPT the DE lol.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:44 pm
49.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Tonga >>>> Reece.
A good blocking FB is much more important to this offense than Reece getting 3 passes thrown his way as the 6th most-talented option.
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foolish once again. didnt say tonga doesnt need to play but that reece is a viable weapon that teams account for. reece and his 3 receptions have produced more than tonga and his 3 blocks. i know u like to argue but damn u make this 2 easy. the run defense is getting better cuz we have a damn olb with speed who can tackle. curry is making a big difference.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Big Ted,it isn’t his fault he only has 1 TD.He is leading the team in receptions and yards.He is our most reliable WR.He is our go-to WR.BTW,since you refuse to give DHB any credit for most receptions every game in the scoring,make sure you subtract points from Moore for letting punts bounce inside the 10 without fair catching the ball and for letting the ball bounce off his hands causing an INT today.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
41….I am mistaken, someone reported the wrong score to me…I just heard on the radio while is was running a marathon that it was 28-0…I’ll try and be better informed next time, after all they only count legit points….RIGHT….You don’t find the play calling and gadetry objectionable, you take comfort in that fact that we missed an exceptional opportunity within the division and perhaps your just ok with todays performance….I would continue, however I do all my work on a cell phone….Waiting….
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Palmer will get better.
Boller has no excuses – he flat out sucks!
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 pm
We do miss Shonasty on the D line, but to say we don’t have any pass rushers or we need more is off base imo
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
actually jackazz ive said we needed a speed rusher before this year and im right. if u watch the games and pay attention u will see we dont come off the edges fast enuff. its not where it could be to make this defense elite.u can have houston and moss as your edge rushers while ill prefer guys like osi and jared allen. i like houston inside better and moss is a serviceable backup. missin shawny bad tho.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:48 pm
We just led the NFL in sacks last year, have Shaughnassy, Houston, Wimbley, and Scott going forward, yet we need one who is faster.
I’d rather have a balanced DE that can play the run well.
Team has improved as their run D has improved.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:49 pm
“I feel like I can step in and do a good job,” Bush said. “I had a good game today.
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Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back, big fella. This is a team sport.
One additional comment about MBush.
Not scoring on that 4th down really took the wind out of the Raid’s sails.
Bush is a big dude, but certainly not a power runner at the LOS. He’s way more forceful and bruising once he hits the second level.
That said, I’m not going to bash him for not being a bruising power back in tight. However, it needs to be said that he doesn’t have a nose for the end zone.
Sure looked to me that he could have taken a step to the right and scored relatively easily on the failed 4th down.
Some guys have a knack for getting 6. I don’t think Bush is one of them.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
lol,
oh, we need a Jared Allen?
Like 31 other teams need a Jared Allen. You know what else we need? A ball-hawking safety like Ed Reed! And a brutal MLB like Patrick Willis!
Oh, and a CB like Revis while we’re at it, right? Or would those not help?
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Actually when you can’t convert numerous 4th and 1s you can’t say you ran the ball well.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:53 pm
57.realtruraider Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:46 pm
We do miss Shonasty on the D line, but to say we don’t have any pass rushers or we need more is off base imo
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who said we dont have any pass rushers and why cant u use more? u could always use more of anything becuz u want to stock up on talent. u might need more depth at another position but to say we couldnt use more is wrong. tell me what great pass rusher do we have outside of seymour? kelly is decent. houston is okay and the rest are complimentary guys. who is that elite EDGE rusher that forces teams to account for him like a freeney or osi or babin and so on? we dont have that.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:54 pm
62.lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Actually when you can’t convert numerous 4th and 1s you can’t say you ran the ball well.
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October 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
well said Raiderman,
when we needed Bush to come up big early in the game, he didn’t. He’s too one-dimensional.
I’ve been ridiculed for saying Mike Tolbert is better than Mike Bush, and that we’ll be fine if/when he leaves after this year.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Big Ted,it isn’t his fault he only has 1 TD.He is leading the team in receptions and yards.He is our most reliable WR.He is our go-to WR.BTW,since you refuse to give DHB any credit for most receptions every game in the scoring,make sure you subtract points from Moore for letting punts bounce inside the 10 without fair catching the ball and for letting the ball bounce off his hands causing an INT today.
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If DWOW Fair caught it inside the 10, that would be worse. He is supposed to let those go and hope they bounce into the endzone. KC’s Punter had a great day, not DWOW’s fault.
I will deduct points from DWOW for his drop. But, I disagree with the assertion that 4 of those INTs were his fault. I was there, and those were just poor throws (even that last one that has tipped).
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
61.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:50 pm
lol,
oh, we need a Jared Allen?
Like 31 other teams need a Jared Allen. You know what else we need? A ball-hawking safety like Ed Reed! And a brutal MLB like Patrick Willis!
Oh, and a CB like Revis while we’re at it, right? Or would those not help?
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dumbazz isnt that why u have a draft? isnt that why u have free agency? isnt why U wanted a better qb than jason campbell even tho he had a winning record with the team? remember that the next time u complain about not having an elite player at some position u feel needs to be upgraded. the guy that bets against his so called team is tryin 2 school me. hilarious. u need to be more worried about payin thec07 his money from those 2 bets u lost loser.
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:58 pm
“I feel like I can step in and do a good job,” Bush said. “I had a good game today.
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Don’t break your arm patting yourself on the back, big fella. This is a team sport.
One additional comment about MBush.
Not scoring on that 4th down really took the wind out of the Raid’s sails.
Bush is a big dude, but certainly not a power runner at the LOS. He’s way more forceful and bruising once he hits the second level.
That said, I’m not going to bash him for not being a bruising power back in tight. However, it needs to be said that he doesn’t have a nose for the end zone.
Sure looked to me that he could have taken a step to the right and scored relatively easily on the failed 4th down.
Some guys have a knack for getting 6. I don’t think Bush is one of them.
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Completely agreed, Bush showed lack of vision on the Goal line and seems to forget how big he is, meaning I dnt know why he is jumping in the air instead of lowering his shoulder
side note: hue needed to get Tiwain involved more, def one of his bigger mistakes in regards to coaching
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Armond,
I just don’t know how important that elite edge rusher is.
Freeney/Colts suck. Allen/Vikings suck. Osi/Giants are average. Peppers/Bears are average. Texans did fine today without Mario.
Obviously it’s cool to have one, but good scheme can create pass-rush mismatches that don’t rely on super-human skills that cost $12 million a year.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:00 pm
Taiwan dropped that easy pass, and probably still struggles on pass-blocking.
Might have been on purpose that he wasn’t out there more.
In time, he will.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:02 pm
lefty
do u see this jackazz alexis? he complained about jc never being a good enuff qb to win a superbowl like rodgers and brady yet he tries to clown me for wanting us to have one of the better pass rushing de’s to make our defense elite. isnt that why the eagles signed nnamdi despite having samuels? hell they went and traded for DRC as well. alexis, yeah dummy apparently all teams want stars and some of them get them 2.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:04 pm
Ted,he could have made those fair catches outside the 10.The last int. went directly off his hands and was thrown where it should have been thrown-right into his hands.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
I think we have a decent group on the D Line, They led the league in sacks from the D Line, yes that includes the DE to. I like Wimbley coming off the edge Moss has had his moments, Im sure we will see Curry coming off the edge more. Houston needs to step his game up a notch, hes not having the impact I thought he would when the season started.
We can only carry so many players on the roster so you can only have so many rushers
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Actually when you can’t convert numerous 4th and 1s you can’t say you ran the ball well.
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This.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
fugg scheme. yall think this is madden with all that bullsh!t? u need quality players to make a scheme work. players win games more than the scheme. game planning is a part of it. we payin seymour 15 wimbley about 9 and routt 10. so much for fuggin scheme huh?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Armond,he also said we ran the ball well today and when I pointed out we actually didn’t because we couldn’t convert 3rd and 4th and short yardage he said thank you.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Bush didn’t complete the 1 yd TD run because Carlisle completely whiff on his block. Carlisle was late and totally missed the defender in question. I believe they say it was a Swish shot. He went to the ground without touching any defender let alone the one he was supposed to block.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Alex,
You are right. Taiwan is still learning the game.
Further to the point, Denarious Moore and Jacoby Ford are still learning the game.
Folks, these guys are 4th and 5th round picks. That means they were drafted into this league as developmental players. Players with issues that had to be accounted for.
It will take time for them to develop….be very thankful that DHB has asserted himself…and the Raiders need to get Chaz Schilens back in the lineup
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:10 pm
The last int. went directly off his hands and was thrown where it should have been thrown-right into his hands.
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There was also a defender all over him.
The Rookie earns what he earns, which in this game, was negative points.
But I’m not gonna’ deduct points for those punts or ints…
DHB in his 3rd year also earns what he earns, 10 points or so today, but it would have been more if he managed to get an TD.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Armond.
Quit harshin’ the Def.
This loss was not on them…
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Houston needs to step his game up a notch, hes not having the impact I thought he would when the season started.
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u provin my point. he is a starting de. he isnt having an imppact rushing the passer. i think he is a better fit inside cuz he looks quicker there but not as much on the edge. are u telling me that trevor scott couldnt be replaced? wtf fugg has he done all year? yall lookin at stats but need to look deeper. im talkin about game in game out and when we go up against the best passers in the league. thats when u need guys who can really get after it. we close but not there yet.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Bush rarely converts those short yardage plays.He is great once he is past the line,but has little power in short yardage plays and it is always blamed on the blockers.Other RBs push the pile-Bush doesn’t.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
moore ford and murphy had forgettable games….they showed no fight for the ball today….
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
OK,Ted,I can see you have a bias.All is good.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
You need a QB to put you in position to score TDs. Obviously today we didn’t have that QB, Heck we haven’t really had a QB all year consistantly get the WRs the ball in the endzone. I like Campbell alot but how many TDs did he throw to the WRs this year?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
80.BigTed707 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Armond.
Quit harshin’ the Def.
This loss was not on them…
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how am i harshin’ the d? i was arguin with dummy about not enuff speed at de. why cant they be criticized? its not somethin ive just started saying. no the defense didnt lose this game but we could still get better at that spot.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Just curious if Hue commented after the game about his fancy play calls for a lame back up QB?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Shame on Hue for getting shutout at home by the hated Chiefs!
Strike Two!
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:20 pm
bush makes me sick tap dancin like gregory hines. he needs to just hit the hole hard like he’s suppose to. that oline is also not playing well in the running game. for several weeks theyve regressed. short yardage was no problem and now it is. i also dont like that boss is being underutilized. hue gets way 2 cute for his own good.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:23 pm
Because Armond,
DEs that can play the run (which we have now), while being part of one of the best pass-rushing D-lines in football the last year and a half,
are move valuable than “more speed at DE”.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
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# lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:15 pm
OK,Ted,I can see you have a bias.All is good.
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No Bias Bro – just pointing out TDs hold weight in the MUP.
DWOW had 3 great games, and has been invisible since then. But that doesn’t mean he wasn’t great in those 3 games.
DHB has been very good, and consistent, I am very happy how good he is becoming.
If you have a specific scoring criteria suggestion, Like give points to WRs based on total game yards rather than individual plays, then we can work that out for the future.
I have my opinions for sure, but I want the list to be fair.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
What the fk is the deal with twinkle toes Bush, I know when he finally showed up to camp Hue said he looked like he lost weight, maybe this went to his head and he thinks hes the next Barry sanders.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Haley is quickly rising on my most hated coaches list.He is right up there with the rat,Marty,and Red Miller.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
hue also needs to ride his best players which is dmc and dhb. there were 2 many times when dmc was on the sideline in these short yardage situations. even at the goaline he would be off to the side. 2day he was hurt so it wouldve been nice to see jones in there. he also needs to let dhb run some fades and slants that close to the endzone. dhb is establishing himself but hue doesnt give him those isolation plays that get him tds near the endzone. i feel hue doesnt lean on the guys who can take it home. its his biggest mistake calling plays.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
and “fugg scheme”? lol, really?
Scheme is why the Steelers D is the Steelers D.
Scheme is what’s transformed the terrible 2010 Texans D to the top-10 2011 Texans D.
Scheme (on O) is what transformed Brees in N.O.
Scheme is why Mike McCarthy is irreplaceable in GB.
Scheme is why the zone-playing Raiders have gone from “vanilla, bottom-ranked” every year, to “legit” this season.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
f haley, hate him more than any other afc west coach….
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:27 pm
RNS slams DVD and Murph, whoa…
Van Dyke admits “missing” a few tackles. He dodged em like the draft.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_regular_season
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Darrius Heyward BEAST lol!
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 pm
hue is trying to “scheme” his way into
the papers…its not rocket science hand off and play action….do what you were doing with jajason….
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
i didnt see what haley did to piss people off cuz i left in disgust. he is and always will be a d-bag. we better run up the score and knock some chiefs out in KC.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
goodness Armond,
you went from bad to terrible.
Hue’s “biggest mistake is calling plays.” ???????
Hue took this offense from laughingstock to top-5 in ONE SEASON. Hue changed McFadden’s career from average to “game’s best”. Hue gave JC his first ever winning season. Hue’s play-calling is why this team is relevant again.
You are WAAAAAYYYY too emotional after a predictable loss.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
how am i harshin’ the d? i was arguin with dummy about not enuff speed at de. why cant they be criticized? its not somethin ive just started saying. no the defense didnt lose this game but we could still get better at that spot.
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Oh, I savvy.
I’m more fired up about this game specifically.
Plus I got no qualms with Wimbley, Moss, Houston, and Shonasty on the edges. Those guys have shown they can get it done.
The Defense played decent today considering Blackstock was in there, and Ndukwe and Curry are still have that fresh player smell. The damn QBs were just plain errant.
And Hue was the one who called those plays.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
Hey Cork, ask Bush why he is tip toeing out there so much? Does he not know what kind of back he is? Leave that schit to Tawain Jones man.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Olinesux,
one poster is blasting Hue for keeping the playbook the same with our current QBs.
You are upset that Hue DIDN’T keep the playbook the same.
Can’t be both.
Can we agree we’ll be fine when we have a decent QB in there in 2 weeks, and move on?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Palmer logs a 17 qb rating throws 3 picks & yet everyone is sold on the idea of him some how being a great or elite qb. If you point out the fact that he has always throws picks people point to td & yards as if that absolved the picks. He had t.o, ocho & housh in their primes, of course he put up stats, but it didnt mean much. He has been a guy that needs everything around him to be perfect to win. With all of the talent the bungles had on offense he underachiever & couldn’t lead the lockerroom across the street, & they flamed. He will make great throws followed by the back breaking pick six. This is who he has always been. Think farve minus the ring or leadership.
He doesn’t get a pass for his lousy showing today, or failing & flopping in cincy, or flat out quiting
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Ted,I mention awhile ago that I thought total game stats should be given more credence.WRs can’t score TDs without getting the ball thrown their way and our QB(JC) didn’t throw to the wide-outs near the goal.Is 1 long pass that results in a TD more important than 3 or 4 that help move the team into position so,say,a RB can score from a couple yds out while at the same time running the clock?Just asking.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
MICHAEL BUSH
was a TIP-TOEING running back at Louisville. He was a 1st-round prospect BECAUSE he had light feet and could move like a RB 30 pounds lighter than him.
Bush is NOT a straight-ahead power back. He never has been. Why should we expect him to be that now?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
armond Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
i didnt see what haley did to piss people off cuz i left in disgust. he is and always will be a d-bag. we better run up the score and knock some chiefs out in KC.
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I guess you didn’t see their Defensive lineman dive at Palmers knees on his very first play. If it was me, I would have had Kelly and Seymour bust Cassell to pieces on the next series and take the penalties. And then Haley can see how Tyler Palko pans out.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
looked like nobody practiced all week and thought this was a slam dunk. Especially Hue.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Not in the mood to watch NFLN like i’ve been glued to ever since Al passed. Don’t wanna hear how much we suck and how we were overrated etc.
You know you can’t really argue with ‘em either.
Good teams don’t lose 28-0 to a supposed inferior opponent at home no matter what your problems are. Guess what? Good teams overcome adversity and ALL teams have adversity and injuries. Jamal Charles was out too.
And to think they actually were asking if Raiders were SB contenders on NFLnetwork. Sharpe laughed at that, and after today, he’s totally justified. “Experts” will say “See… i told ya. They’re still the Raiders” “Super Bowl? Yeah right.”
4-3? Same record as Chicago and other middling teams.
Hue got ahead of himself, a lot of the pundits got ahead of themselves; heck, the entire Raider Nation got ahead of themselves.
We are what we are.
We can hope Raiders get better. IT’S FREAKING DEPRESSING cuz from my standpoint it looks like the same ole crap we;ve been dealing with for the last 7-8 yrs.
We’re not the worst team in the league. We’re not even among the worst. I guess I should be happy for that….but i’m not.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Well thats what he does best, theres no way you can argue this or can you?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:37 pm
There was no poise in this team at all. They quit. Yes, they did. Early.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:37 pm
99.olinesux Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:29 pm
hue is trying to “scheme” his way into
the papers…its not rocket science hand off and play action….do what you were doing with jajason….
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exactly becuz u have players that are talented enuff to get it done. dont need to outsmart yourself.
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95.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
and “fugg scheme”? lol, really?
Scheme is why the Steelers D is the Steelers D.
Scheme is what’s transformed the terrible 2010 Texans D to the top-10 2011 Texans D.
Scheme (on O) is what transformed Brees in N.O.
Scheme is why Mike McCarthy is irreplaceable in GB.
Scheme is why the zone-playing Raiders have gone from “vanilla, bottom-ranked” every year, to “legit” this season.
——————————————————-aaron curry has nothing do with the run defense improving? pittsburg has some good players on defense just like green bay has playmakers on offense. u know like that top ranked qb u like so much. brees is a great qb. the texans had some talent on defense and they added joseph to their 2ndary. scheme can help but its not enuff without TALENT, so yes fugg scheme.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
seymourbush
i didnt get to see that cuz i was looking downfield. i heard about it but didnt see it. i think someone said that haley kinda brushed hue jack off for the postgame handshake.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Guys, I’m trying not to go crazy about this. We are 1/2 game behind San Diego, and we have two weeks to get Carson Palmer and McFadden and Seabass ready for the final 9 games. We’ve won 4 games that we put pressure on the QB, and lost the 3 games that we put no pressure on the QB. This team has to stop being so darn inconsistent!
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:41 pm
This Alex character is a fool, dude will argue about everything. Not sure why he is even on a Raider Blog. He is obviously a 49er fan
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
109….But they hit the back of the rim and bricked the dunk…I agree….
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Mistic,
your post is emotional and dumb.
Carson Palmer led a joke-franchise into the playoffs twice in 3 years, and to a 10-6 record two years ago.
Palmer MADE Housh (what’s TJ done without Palmer?)
Palmer MADE Ocho (what’s Ocho done lately?)
Palmer AVERAGED 4,000 yards 4 of his last 5 seasons.
Palmer AVERAGED 27 TDs in his 5 full seasons.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
We needed a qb & i love hu jack I’m not sold on this Palmer deal at all. I understand that he was available but I don’t believe he is good enough to warrant the huge contract or our high draft picks for the next two years.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:43 pm
armond Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:40 pm
seymourbush
i didnt get to see that cuz i was looking downfield. i heard about it but didnt see it. i think someone said that haley kinda brushed hue jack off for the postgame handshake.
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Honestly, I didn’t see it either. Like you I was looking downfield also. All I know is two things, if Jeff Triplett called it, it had to be bad. Secondly, Palmer was limping around pretty good after that.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Palmer logs a 17 qb rating throws 3 picks & yet everyone is sold on the idea of him some how being a great or elite qb. If you point out the fact that he has always throws picks people point to td & yards as if that absolved the picks. He had t.o, ocho & housh in their primes, of course he put up stats, but it didnt mean much. He has been a guy that needs everything around him to be perfect to win. With all of the talent the bungles had on offense he underachiever & couldn’t lead the lockerroom across the street, & they flamed. He will make great throws followed by the back breaking pick six. This is who he has always been. Think farve minus the ring or leadership.
He doesn’t get a pass for his lousy showing today, or failing & flopping in cincy, or flat out quiting
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Mystic, you need to grow up. He is our future and you need to get on board and look at things objectively WITH all the surrounding baggage. Living in a vacuum is hazardous to your health. Give Palmer some time to get familiar with his teammates. He needs reps badly. The surrounding cast needs reps with him. Of his 3 INT’s today, 2 were on the receivers. Considering his limited practice time I’m surprised he was able to accomplish anything.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Beach,
nothing to get crazy about. Most NFL teams suck with their backup QB and backup RB.
What happened today was normal and doesn’t mean anything. This is still a 4-2 team, talent-wise. Today (no QB, no McFadden, no Jano) will not repeat itself.
Today was an outlier. Things are ok.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Djohnny-please don’t take offense,but you really need to understand the don’t get too high after a win and don’t get too low after a loss aspect of football.In 2 weeks when we kick the living daylights out of the donkeys you’ll feel much better.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
Mistic,
and pn what do you base your lack of faith on Palmer?
History (as recent as last year) shows him to be a better QB than any we’ve had here since Gannon.
So how is that a bad thing, on a team that desperately needs a QB to save the season?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
# lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Ted,I mention awhile ago that I thought total game stats should be given more credence.WRs can’t score TDs without getting the ball thrown their way and our QB(JC) didn’t throw to the wide-outs near the goal.Is 1 long pass that results in a TD more important than 3 or 4 that help move the team into position so,say,a RB can score from a couple yds out while at the same time running the clock?Just asking.
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I agree that the point structure needs to be improved. The two WRs (D-WOW & DHB) play different positions, and that would influence yards per play as opposed to yards per game as well as TD totals.
I’ll figure it out when I’m in a better mood, and rework the point structure.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:46 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:34 pm
MICHAEL BUSH
was a TIP-TOEING running back at Louisville. He was a 1st-round prospect BECAUSE he had light feet and could move like a RB 30 pounds lighter than him.
Bush is NOT a straight-ahead power back. He never has been. Why should we expect him to be that now?
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Bush was never a “short yardage” power back. That’s why Cable was off his rocker trying to convert him to a fullback…even Kiffin commented on that.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
hey, some common sense!!
lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Djohnny-please don’t take offense,but you really need to understand the don’t get too high after a win and don’t get too low after a loss aspect of football.In 2 weeks when we kick the living daylights out of the donkeys you’ll feel much better.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:47 pm
110….Sleeping with my Raiders hat on….Just ibabuzz tonight, as well…Good post….
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Is there anything to watch on TV?
I’m trying to avoid ESPN and NFLN. I haven’t even looked in that direction yet.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Well, today sucked!
But hey, the Chiefs had 2 weeks to prepare for Kyle frickin Boller and they certainly knew exactly what was coming. McFadden was the key that fell off the ring and Bush couldn’t get 2 yards to save his life.
This game was the perfect storm for KC and they prevailed. McFadden is a nightmare because of his ability to get outside and even line up outside. Bush was just looking at those 2 inside gaps and the KC LB’s were teeing off on his ass.
Reload and see you f^ckers in KC!
Go Raiders!
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Mistic,
your post is emotional and dumb.
Carson Palmer led a joke-franchise into the playoffs twice in 3 years, and to a 10-6 record two years ago.
Palmer MADE Housh (what’s TJ done without Palmer?)
Palmer MADE Ocho (what’s Ocho done lately?)
Palmer AVERAGED 4,000 yards 4 of his last 5 seasons.
Palmer AVERAGED 27 TDs in his 5 full seasons.
………………
So what. He throws a huge amount of picks, & he has never been a leader. Housh & ocho in their prime was a very good set of weapons & they underachieved, any way you slice it. Since I am not caught up in the Palmer hype I can see that the losing , the turnovers, & most imporatantly lack of leadership are baggage that he brings with him.
Alex save your double standards for someone that doesn’t know better. He loused it up today & I haunt seen anything in his pro career that gives me confidence in him changing the knocks I am charging him with.
Give me a break
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Tricky,
Don’t bother. NFLN just showed ALL 6 ints as their highlight reel of the game.
Nice, huh?
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
In 2010, we took McClain and Houston with our #1 and #2 (what we traded for Palmer).
You guys honestly wouldn’t trade McClain and Houston for a legit QB, when our roster has zero of them available?
McClain and Houston are MUUUUUUUCH easier to replace than a legit QB.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:33 pm
He doesn’t get a pass for his lousy showing today, or failing & flopping in cincy, or flat out quiting
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Carson Palmer has led the NFL in completion percentage and TD’s. He is a Pro Bowl Player. Boller has been here for years and in Hues system for longer and didn’t do any better. Palmer went in there after a couple of days of practice with their defense teeing off on him, took a beating and finished out the game. That doesn’t sound like quitting to me. In fact, that sounds exactly like leadership.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:51 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:30 pm
goodness Armond,
you went from bad to terrible.
Hue’s “biggest mistake is calling plays.” ???????
Hue took this offense from laughingstock to top-5 in ONE SEASON. Hue changed McFadden’s career from average to “game’s best”. Hue gave JC his first ever winning season. Hue’s play-calling is why this team is relevant again.
You are WAAAAAYYYY too emotional after a predictable loss
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and u are way too stupid after this loss and every game for that matter. look below and read it again dummy
94.armond Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:26 pm
hue also needs to ride his best players which is dmc and dhb. there were 2 many times when dmc was on the sideline in these short yardage situations. even at the goaline he would be off to the side. 2day he was hurt so it wouldve been nice to see jones in there. he also needs to let dhb run some fades and slants that close to the endzone. dhb is establishing himself but hue doesnt give him those isolation plays that get him tds near the endzone. i feel hue doesnt lean on the guys who can take it home. its his biggest mistake calling plays.
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notice how im talkin about his lack of isolation plays for a guy like dhb who is playing well and at times for dmc near the endzone and short yardage situations?
it says “its his biggest mistake calling plays.” didnt say his biggest mistake IS calling plays. stop embarrassing yourself foolio.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:52 pm
lol Mistic
Care to explain how the cheap-skate Bengals “underachieved”?
They were supposed to beat the Steelers in those two playoff games, one minus Palmer?
Come on.
Palmer made Rudi freakin Johnson into a 1,300 yard rusher. Housh was a 7th round nobody, and reverted to a nobody when he left Palmer.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:53 pm
270.autopalm77 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Goldie, I appreciate your response…That’s is the point I was making…It shouldn’t matter…Seven is one of my lucky numbers, maybe one of yours….:)
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Absolutely Auto, Seven is my fav. no. Peace to ya Man.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:54 pm
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:42 pm
We needed a qb & i love hu jack I’m not sold on this Palmer deal at all. I understand that he was available but I don’t believe he is good enough to warrant the huge contract or our high draft picks for the next two years.
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That’s a legit concern – but Hue seems to think he is worth all that.
We will see who ends up being correct.
I’m not jumping the ship after his first 1/2 game.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
lol Armond
isolation plays for DHB? Didn’t know we were talking NBA!
So you are saying……..that Hue hasn’t used McFadden well-enough…… despite McFadden leading the NFL in rushing before this week.
Ok buddy.
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:57 pm
Seymore, no use arguing with Mistic.
He thinks Palmer taking the freakin’ BENGALS to the playoffs two years in a row was “underachieving.”
Despite leading the league in completion %, throwing for 4,000 yards, averaging 27 TDs.
Mistic says it was underachieving.
OBVIOUSLY the Bengals built a POWERHOUSE that Palmer sank
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Palmer has talent, he is wildly inconsistent year to year & hasn’t been able to lead a team. These are the facts. I don’t care if a guy throws for 4000 yards & 25 tds, if he also throws 20 picks & can’t lead a talented lockerroom & make the team better.
I was never a Gannon fan he wasn’t very talented, but he was a leader & he forced the guys to get in line. Just like jc elevated the team through his leadership.
Empty stats is only good for fantasy football.
Let’s hope jc can get back healthy this year & in the meantime hu jack can help rebuild or change Palmers negative tendencies
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Thanks, SaintKaufman.
Just saved me from breaking my TV!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:00 pm
134….Nice….Why waste your time with someone who says he lovesHuejack, what ever that means and then says the man who made the “greatest trade in football” is not accountable for his actions….PLEASE….
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:01 pm
“Trust me when I tell you,’ this team will be fine”
Hue Jackson
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Mistic sounding schizo today.
“Palmer has talent”
“Palmer is inconsistent”
“I don’t care if Palmer throws for 4,000 and 25 TDs” (every year, which is called…CONSISTENCY!)
“Palmer can’t lead”
“Palmer lead the Bengals to the playoffs”
“What am I talking about???”
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
28-0 to the Kc Chiefs is a huge disappointment. The Raiders should have had a competent backup QB on the roster from the beginning.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
133.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
In 2010, we took McClain and Houston with our #1 and #2 (what we traded for Palmer).
You guys honestly wouldn’t trade McClain and Houston for a legit QB, when our roster has zero of them available?
McClain and Houston are MUUUUUUUCH easier to replace than a legit QB.
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If there is one thing I got out of today it is this: we HAD TO MAKE THE TRADE. I’m tired of the parade of loser QBs we’ve had. Al Davis had no eye for talent at the QB position.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:03 pm
Yes refusing to show up because you can’t win is quitting. Don’t make excuses
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Thanks Goldie..Have a pleasant night….7
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Compared to JC, Palmer throws ONE more interception every 100 throws (a 1% lifetime INT ratio difference).
With those other 99 throws, Palmer literally does 25% more damage than JC.
So…what’s the problem here??
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Why did the Raiders have Boller as the backup QB?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Palmer doesn’t come as a flawless slamdunk either.
His age, the INTs, no playoff wins, and the fact that Cincy hasn’t missed a beat in his abscence doesn’t make Carson a slam dunk.
He can throw the ball adn put up some good numbers…we will have to see if he has the leadership of a #1 QB and the INTs go down.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 pm
Oh yeah, Palmer two trips to the post-season (with cheap owner).
JC…zero (with pro-bowlers Portis, Moss, Cooley, Samuels).
Somehow JC suddenly OOOZES awesomeness and leadership.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Why did the Raiders have Boller as the backup QB?
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Good question. Judging by the debacle this week, he had no business in the league.
Boller looked very bad. HE’s a veteran too. He should be able to execute the offense
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
SnB,
but who are you comparing Palmer to?
Does JC have “leadership”? How do you measure this? He hasn’t MADE the post-season. He CAN’T throw it very well. He was benched repeatedly just last year!
Tell me where JC has ever been better than Palmer, at ANYTHING relating to the QB position?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Why did the Raiders have Boller as the backup QB?
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I suspect because he was preferred by AD because of his supposed ability to throw the long ball. Personally, I thought Edwards was a better QB for the BU position. But, what do I know? Boller has used up any good will he may have earned. HueJKack needs someone he can depend on and Boller is obviously NOT that person.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Your starting QB goes down, and you’ve got to give up a 1st & 2nd to finish out the year???????
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Mistic doesn’t like Palmer because he knows he has permanently replaced Campbell.His opinion on our QB is extremely biased.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Alex7,
Its not about Carson vs. JC. Carson is a better QB. The question is will he be so much better as to make a difference on this offense and will he be able to play at a high level for at least 5 years
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I agree that Palmer has talent, but when that guy went for his legs and Palmer didn’t move…all I saw was at least one year’s first round draft choice gone and at least a second round the next year gone.
I knew KC would play hard because they always do against us, because they were trying to jump start their own season, and because the Raiders got a lot of press that last two weeks, starting with Al’s death and ending with the Palmer trade. Also, Hue was loving the limelight.
I tell you, I am starting to feel that Hue is a lot like Coach Ryan of the Jets–a lot of talk, big talk. Let your players do the talking on the field, Hue.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 pm
It’s gonna be an ugly bye week Raider Nation.Stand strong…
We have been riding a wave of Emotion since the Buffalo game…then the Big Jet Home Opener win…the New England setback…Mr Davis passes away and we get the big win in Houston…back home for the Memorial Tribute game vs Cleveland…I knew a letdown was in order.Hate that it comes at the bye week.
Looking forward to the AFC West schedule-next week is San Diego @ KC.If the Chiefs can steal one,it’s a 3 way tie between the 3 of us going into the Denver game.
I WILL BE AT THE O.co FOR THE DENVER GAME…not trying to see a loss or no BULLSHHH…punch these guys in the mouth Raiders! Denver was awful today.They only won because Miami was awfuler:~) If we don’t beat the Broncos by at least 10 something is wrong.
When you all go to bed tonight,pray for the health of the team.What team has this many injuries to it’s key players? And say a special prayer for Sea Bass and DMC.In two weeks we have lost our starting QB,our top scoring weapon in Jano,now DMC(God have mercy on us with these injuries!!!) I pray that DMC is gonna be OK
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:02 pm
Mistic sounding schizo today.
“Palmer has talent”
“Palmer is inconsistent”
“I don’t care if Palmer throws for 4,000 and 25 TDs” (every year, which is called…CONSISTENCY!)
“Palmer can’t lead”
“Palmer lead the Bengals to the playoffs”
“What am I talking about???”
……
Alex I can see you are sprung on Palmer but don’t try to take my words out of context.
1.) Palmer is talented & it can’t be debated
2.) Palmer has been inconsistent season to season a’s evidenced by his fluctuating int totals. He has thrown at least 18 picks 3 times in his career. This is far too many to be considered elite. I would put him in the class of a poormans Eli manning. Eli gets the edge he has a ring.
3.) stats are useless without wins. He was the man in cincy with talented teams & he couldn’t keep the team moving in the right direction. Often watching the wheels come off amid a fire storm of back biting & finger pointing.
4.) he couldn’t win demanded a trade then quit
I’m sorry but he will have do lots of work to lose this baggage. For his talent level he has underachieved. Think Jeff George. Lots of stats & got to the playoffs loads of talent couldn’t lead & underachieved
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Your starting QB goes down, and you’ve got to give up a 1st & 2nd to finish out the year???????
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Hue Jackson never really liked JC. He tolerated him. He saw an opening to get the QB he really wanted and took it.
ITs a business.
I hope this works and I hope Carson gives the team several years of elite play…I also hope that Pryor is ready to take over when the time comes…otherwise the team could be setting itself up for another long-term drought
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:13 pm
I am hoping that behind the scenes there’s a concerted effort to get a top-notch GM in here.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
So what’s new here ? We lost our qbs didn’t even give us chance to win And we whiffed on sum tackles on 3rd downs
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Palmer is same age as Brees and Vick, one year older than Schaub and Eli.
Age isn’t an issue with Palmer.
As he learns the playbook and blocking schemes, and gets his timing down, he’ll CONTINUE to put up better numbers than JC ever has.
And numbers: yards, TDs, completions, deep passes…yes, these help win games.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
132.SaintKaufman Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:49 pm
Tricky,
Don’t bother. NFLN just showed ALL 6 ints as their highlight reel of the game.
Nice, huh?
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It makes sense. All this week one of the main stories of the football world was the Raider QB situation with Carson and Boller so they’re just showing how that situation (frought with such mystery) panned out. It’s the real story of the game so I don’t blame ‘em for showing the pics.
I’m not subjecting myself to watching it again though.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
139.alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:55 pm
lol Armond
isolation plays for DHB? Didn’t know we were talking NBA!
So you are saying……..that Hue hasn’t used McFadden well-enough…… despite McFadden leading the NFL in rushing before this week.
Ok buddy.
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yes biotch im talkin about plays run for a guy who deserves to get into the endzone based on what he’s done. fades slants backshoulder throws. whatever u can do to single him up in the situations im talkin about. u understand that u just bein a bz. yes he can get more out of dmc. if people are sayin tippy toes bush aint gettin it done then dmc should be the man for
those yards when healthy. ofcourse u knew that too but u like bein a batch.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
SnB,
good post. Hue prefers Palmer to JC for the next 3 years. Simple. And with historical evidence to support him.
Hue is also trying to salvage a playoff-possible season. Why that’s a bad idea to some posters on here, I can’t fathom.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Hue Jackson never really liked JC. He tolerated him. He saw an opening to get the QB he really wanted and took it.
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I don’t know that Palmer was worth a 1st & 2nd in his prime, which was 5 years ago, btw.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
After seeing Boller today…
Praise Jah for Carson Palmer!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
151-because the HC wanted him and felt comfortable with him.Boller not only let his teammates and the fans down,he let the one person who believed in him down-Hue Jackson.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
SnB,
but who are you comparing Palmer to?
Does JC have “leadership”? How do you measure this? He hasn’t MADE the post-season. He CAN’T throw it very well. He was benched repeatedly just last year!
Tell me where JC has ever been better than Palmer, at ANYTHING relating to the QB position?
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I am comparing Palmer to a 1st round pick and a 2nd round pick the following year plus a ton of cash.
JC is a moot point. Hue saw to that.
Palmer is probably good for another 5 years. Those 5 years need to be at an elite level of football. He needs to be better than JC.
I think that’s the expectation.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
alexis be more concerned with payin thec his money than tryin 2 correct me. youve been losin all night worse than the raiders did 2day.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I’m not blaming Palmer, I question why the Raiders completely ignored the backup QB position.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:10 pm
Mistic doesn’t like Palmer because he knows he has permanently replaced Campbell.His opinion on our QB is extremely biased.
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No you can’t speak for me bra. My opinion on Palmer has nothing to do with Jc,& everything to do with palmers own baggage & history. Jc is not in the discussion he is injured.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Stop f*cking talking sh!t about Palmer, give the guy legitimate chance from start of the game and we’ll see what we get from him .
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
“Mistic doesn’t like Palmer because he knows he has permanently replaced Campbell.His opinion on our QB is extremely biased.”
Exactly!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Koolkell I wonder why the colts completely ignored the backup quarterback position
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
141.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Palmer has talent, he is wildly inconsistent year to year & hasn’t been able to lead a team. These are the facts. I don’t care if a guy throws for 4000 yards & 25 tds, if he also throws 20 picks & can’t lead a talented lockerroom & make the team better.
I was never a Gannon fan he wasn’t very talented, but he was a leader & he forced the guys to get in line. Just like jc elevated the team through his leadership.
Empty stats is only good for fantasy football.
Let’s hope jc can get back healthy this year & in the meantime hu jack can help rebuild or change Palmers negative tendencies
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Palmer isn’t a leader? Is that because he quit on his team…is that what you’re saying? I guess it’s easy for an outsider looking in to say stick in their and tough it out, but the fact is it looks like your jumping ship after he had a predictably bad 1/2 game with 3 days to prepare. Look who’s talking buddy.
Point is, Hue knows what he’s doing. No time to overreact when we have a winning record.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Palmer is probably good for another 5 years. Those 5 years need to be at an elite level of football. He needs to be better than JC.
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There is absolutely NOTHING, to support that statement.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Alright Mistic, I’ll be extra nice and honestly try to understand your words.
1) You think Palmer “underachieved” in Cincy, meaning you honestly believe Cincy should have been BETTER those seasons than 2 playoff appearances and another 10-6 finish.
2) You think a QB who puts up big numbers but can’t get wins, is a negative on the QB.
3) You take issue with a guy throwing 20 picks, even though he also threw 27 TDs and 4,000 yards. You take issue with this because it makes him not an “elite” QB.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Of all the games that should have been blacked-out.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Palmer is probably good for another 5 years. Those 5 years need to be at an elite level of football. He needs to be better than JC.
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There is absolutely NOTHING, to support that statement.
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Based on one half of play? When he prolly only knew about 5 plays in the playbook ?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
I will argue that
1) Palmer is the REASON that Cincy made the playoffs two years in a row, and had a separate 10-6 season, and the lack of talent around him (cheap owner) is what caused the spiral after a few successful seasons.
Thus, Palmer did more than any other QB has done in Cincy the last 25 years, and that is NOT underachieving.
Losing to the Super-Bowl-winning Steelers in the playoffs is NOT underachieving when you’re the BENGALS.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
175.KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I’m not blaming Palmer, I question why the Raiders completely ignored the backup QB position.
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No truth to this. Just because Kyle had a bad game didn’t mean they ignored the position. Backups don’t get reps with the first team once the regular season starts. So, this was Boller’s first week practicing with the receivers, it’s not like he was that great in the first place, but I’m sure Hue wasn’t expecting that kind of performance. Not to mention DMC was out…remember…the guy our offense revolves around.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Koolkell I wonder why the colts completely ignored the backup quarterback position
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Fair question, but the Raiders are not replacing Peyton Manning.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Koolkell I wonder why the colts completely ignored the backup quarterback position
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That’s a good question and shows the arrogance of the Colts organization. To not have a competent backup?
Instead of using a 1 trick pony like the Colts…look at the good teams…the Steelers and Pats had QBs that could live the “next man up” theory.
Boller was terrible. I think you look for a backup to make a few plays and not HURT the team.
No QB with the amount of years Boller has had in the league asa starter and backup should perform that poorly as to be replaced by a guy off the couch
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Based on one half of play? When he prolly only knew about 5 plays in the playbook ?
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Based on his record over the last 5 years.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:23 pm
We had so many chances to get back in the game I mean if we go ahead and score on our first drive then the game is over we win nobody talks about it but first drive int for TD second drive int third drive punt then int etc et
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
2) I don’t see how you can blame a QB who moves the team up and down the field, puts up TDs, puts up points on the board, if the TEAM can’t win playoff games.
Losing to the team of the decade (Steelers) in the playoffs ONE YEAR, and being injured the other time, is NOT a knock on Palmer.
He can’t play D, special teams, and spend $ on FAs.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
171.BigTed707 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
After seeing Boller today…
Praise Jah for Carson Palmer!
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So we have another JW on the blog?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
we will bounce back but this is a tough 1. unfortunately this was a game where our defense needed to do what kc did. get 4-6 ints and a pick 6 or 2. we also needed to get some plays out of the return unit. ford couldnt cuz they kicked away from him but moore has got to get better. we just didnt play well. its time 2 repay them and the rest of the nfl for this pathetic showing. if 1 game is enuff to make yall jump ship then u didnt think this team was good enuff to win anyway.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
Like I said last week, giving up a 1st and 2nd for Palmer, is not going to help one bit if Mcfadden goes down.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Koolkell I wonder why the colts completely ignored the backup quarterback position
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Fair question, but the Raiders are not replacing Peyton Manning.
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So you think no team in their right mind try to get starting caliber backs up at every position, you make it sound like there are alot of good qb’s out there’s that we could have brought in to play backup in case our starting Qb gets injured and there won’t b any drop off
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Palmer basically did the same thing that Randy Moss did to Oakland by refusing to play for his team.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Denarius Moore needs to be taken off the punt returns. Dances around too much, instead of heading up field.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
lol
Palmer’s record over the last 5 years includes a playoff trip, a separate 10-6 season, 63% completions, all things that JC has never done.
And of course if you extend it to the last SIX seasons, you get ANOTHER playoff appearance, and leading the league in TDs and completion %.
WHEN DID JC’S CAREER BECOME BETTER THAN ALL THIS?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
SnB,
let’s hope it works out just as well as it did for Moss in his new locale (SB trip)!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
We need to relieve Moore of his punt return duties I can already see the guy is playing scared on punt returns and it’s affecting his Recieving game i don’t think everybody is built for that kinda stuff you can’t just throw any one out there and expect results
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
So you think no team in their right mind try to get starting caliber backs up at every position, you make it sound like there are alot of good qb’s out there’s that we could have brought in to play backup in case our starting Qb gets injured and there won’t b any drop off
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?????????????
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
197.KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Denarius Moore needs to be taken off the punt returns. Dances around too much, instead of heading up field.
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Agreed. Don’t know what happend to him in passing game, but I would stick Ford back there.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
lol
Palmer’s record over the last 5 years includes a playoff trip, a separate 10-6 season, 63% completions, all things that JC has never done.
And of course if you extend it to the last SIX seasons, you get ANOTHER playoff appearance, and leading the league in TDs and completion %.
WHEN DID JC’S CAREER BECOME BETTER THAN ALL THIS?
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Like I said 5-6 years ago.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
exactly McFadden20,
fans in here acting like the Raiders had the chance to sign a pro-bowler to back-up JC this year.
And if the Raiders HAD traded for a good backup, fans would question what that would do to JC’s fragile little self-esteem problem.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
Guys no matter how you put this thing with palmer we just got better at qb , hope he an receivers take advantage of every off day and get in synch and he learns much play book as possible and we’ll b scary
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
no KK,
you said “the last 5 years”, that’s different than 5 or 6 years ago.
LAST YEAR Palmer was a better QB than “Three Times Benched” JC.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:32 pm
problem was the loss of the QB and kicker were down played. Truth was in order to win the defense and special teams needed to over perform to make up for the offense deficiencies. There were no TDs by special teams or the defense. Plus no field goals. One or two Tds at the right time might have upset kc and taken some stress off the defense. When you lose 28 to 0, nobody played well.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:30 pm
exactly McFadden20,
fans in here acting like the Raiders had the chance to sign a pro-bowler to back-up JC this year.
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Nobody said a Pro bowler backup, did they? Only someone who could come in and takeover the offense in case of injury.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Sorry, meant stress off the offense.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:31 pm
no KK,
you said “the last 5 years”, that’s different than 5 or 6 years ago.
LAST YEAR Palmer was a better QB than “Three Times Benched” JC.
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That’s a gawdamned lie. Palmer lost 10 in a row last year.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Anyone who forms an opinion on Palmer because of his play today is a moron.Anyone who says Campbell is a better QB than Palmer based on the last 5 years doesn’t pay attention to the NFL.There is no comparison Based on the last 5 years Palmer is extremely superior to Campbell.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
McFadden20,
isn’t it odd how a guy practices 3 times with us and fans are ready to spit him out, despite him being a better QB whether you look at playoff appearances (team stat) or individual stats?
And it’s not like we PICKED Palmer over JC, we picked Palmer over Boller.
The heck is wrong with these posters tonight?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Later folks.
Remember…players have to play to their pay….and talk is cheap
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Kell that was an answer to your remark about Raiders could have brought in a better back up in case of injury to Campbell
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Denarius Moore needs to be taken off the punt returns. Dances around too much, instead of heading up field.
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Agreed. We need more than just someone to catc the ball. We already had that with NMiller. Time for Ford to do double duty.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
KK,
my bad. I thought the BENGALS lost 10 in a row last year.
Yet JC got BENCHED three times last year. Hmmm. While Palmer kept putting up yards and points, which is all a QB can control.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:36 pm
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# djohnnyg Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
171.BigTed707 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:16 pm
After seeing Boller today…
Praise Jah for Carson Palmer!
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So we have another JW on the blog?
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More of a Dread.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Really if it was that easy to find capable backups to come in and pick up right where the starter left lol
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
lol SnB,
if players had to play to their pay, Wimbley, McClain, and Huff would be off the team. DHB would have been cut last year.
DMac would have been cut two years ago.
Not sure why a player has to play based on how good or bad the GM negotiated a contract.
But goodnight!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 pm
The one thing I will say about Carson is I’m not sure how dedicated he is to this. It must be uncomfortable to join a team mid season and be THE guy, but I didn’t know the guy was so calm. I thought he would be more fired up, being as it was his first game, he made one helluva throw to DHB over the middle, and I didn’t see him get pumped at all. But what he did say in his interview was that this wasn’t going to be a bye week for him. Good sign.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
I didnt see kell last week after we won but now he’a all over the blog after a loss I don’t know what’s wrong with these people
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:40 pm
this team will win but really a direct snap to bush at the goaline? Cmon hue at least pretend you have a threat of a rollout….
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Anyone who forms an opinion on Palmer because of his play today is a moron.Anyone who says Campbell is a better QB than Palmer based on the last 5 years doesn’t pay attention to the NFL.There is no comparison Based on the last 5 years Palmer is extremely superior to Campbell.
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Like I said, I don’t blame Palmer for today. And the Raiders were up against a rock and hard place when Campbell went down. Because the Raiders had NO backup QB in place, they had to give up a 1st and 2nd for a QB, mid season, who is no guarantee to get the Raiders to the playoffs.
Later.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
of COURSE it’s easy to find an awesome backup QB!
They are named Tyler Palko, Jimmy Clausen, Gradkowski!, Painter, Charlie Whitehurst, Kerry Collins, Matt Moore, Derek Anderson, JT O’Sullivan, and whoever the Bears threw out there last playoff season.
See?!?!?! It’s easy!!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Just home from the DISASTER…
How Boller even collects a check in the NFL is a mystery to me…he looked HORRIBLE.
Has actually developed some of JR’s old habits, ‘drank’ included….dude is a stiff, has ZEERO business in any game, 3 picks in one half with a pick six to start off says it all…GUTLESS
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Oh yah Raider 510 the bye week couldn’t have came at any better time McFadden injured, McLain injured alot of players are injured and palmer can get better with everything I’m just excited about the teams future, one dark cloud is not going to stop me from seeing the clear blue sky …
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:39 pm
I didnt see kell last week after we won but now he’a all over the blog after a loss I don’t know what’s wrong with these people
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STFU, you’re no bigger Raider fan than anybody else.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Raiders had the same backup QB plan EVERY team has:
Unless you have an up-and-coming 1st rounder, your backup SUCKS.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Is it just me or do I think the raiders kinda abandon the run when their a score or 2
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Van Heathen,
again, the Colts backup looked just as bad. 28 out of 32 backup QBs in the NFL SUUUUUUUUUUCK.
It’s normal, bud. Just a supply/demand thing.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
510-I never saw Blanda jump up and down.Stabler stood on the sidelines of a play-off game,Madden was going crazy,and he said while looking at the crowd-the fans sure are getting their moneys worth today.Plunkett ALWAYS had the same look on his face.Showing emotion as a QB is not necessary.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
175.KoolKell Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:18 pm
I’m not blaming Palmer, I question why the Raiders completely ignored the backup QB position.
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What are you talking about? We have ignored the STARTING QB position for most of the last 20 years.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Kell I’m not saying that I’m bigger fan than anybody all I’m just saying is that it’s little ironic now your Here and sully is not, usually it’s sully after every loss
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
McFadden,
I think Hue knew that to overcome that deficit, without McFadden, Boller was going to have to throw the ball, so he had to find out.
Once Palmer came in, the only PURPOSE was to get him some pass reps.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Let’s hope that if JC heals quickly, he’ll accept the role of BU-QB. At least then we will have someone decent as BU.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Palmer has always been a laid-back So.Cal guy. Nothing rah-rah about him. Just throws bullets and puts up points.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Code black
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
231.lefty12 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:46 pm
510-I never saw Blanda jump up and down.Stabler stood on the sidelines of a play-off game,Madden was going crazy,and he said while looking at the crowd-the fans sure are getting their moneys worth today.Plunkett ALWAYS had the same look on his face.Showing emotion as a QB is not necessary.
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Not saying it’s necessary. I just thought Carson was more of a Philip Rivers type as far as his personality, goes to show how many Bengals games I’ve watched. Whatever though, win us the Superbowl and I could care less.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
Carson Palmer = Jeff George
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:50 pm
D moore played terrible, gave up on 3 of those picks, terrible punt returns!
Hue Jack got out coached, passed up points again… This Azz whooping should bring Hue and this team back to the drawing board, some good humble pie… The D only gave up 14 points with six ints
Pissed off
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Kyle Boller is a bum, a journeyman, a loser, and a lot of other things I can’t say here. He actually looked worse than the QB whose name will not be mentioned. What a disgrace!
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Man we upgraded our qb position for 2 first round picks and this season won’t be a wash. What more could u guys ask for ?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
JB,
Hue doesn’t really like JC, so I’d be surprised if JC stayed as a backup here instead of competing next year to start at Miami, Cleveland, or Seattle.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:53 pm
We traded a 1st and a 2nd for Palmer.
It only becomes two 1st rounders IF we make it to the AFC Championship.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
One of those 2 picks the guy never lives upto the expectation so basically we just traded a one pick for that guy
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:54 pm
At least the tailgate was off the hook, smh
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Yeah Alex I said 2 first because I know we will mAke the playoffs and go to the afc championship game
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
What does SMH means?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Carson Palmer and Jeff George >>>>> Kyle Boller.
So why the whining?
CP and JG >>>>> playoff-virgin JC.
so why the whining?
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Palmer will be fine, the offense he ran today was so vanilla, hardly any motions, no hot routes. Ect…
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:56 pm
So now we know donkeys game will b a black out
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
707, lol Hue got “out-coached”??
So if put Haley on our sidelines, the Raiders win with Boller and minus DMac?
ehhhh, no.
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Shaking my head
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:58 pm
smh is “shake my head”
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
It seemed like Hue had one of his off days play calling, coming out pass happy in the first drive, the 4th down call with bush, bringing in palmer down 21! Maybe not out coached but not His best clearly!!
Boller sucks period though so he was kinda Fk ed either way
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
Oh thanks
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:00 pm
[..] hope Jason Campbell comes back and competes [..] starter or #2 backup most likely [..] Palmer, Campbell, Pryor [..] can’t see Boller here [..] we all know why a back-up QB to start the year was a ‘low’ priority [..] Expect an angry Raider team to wax Denvers’ ass in two weeks [..] If I were Hue Jackson I would say fvck you to the NFL rules and not give any players the mandated 4 days off and then proceed to work their asses right off their backside [..] go back to basic play calling when basic plays are whats needed [..]fvck the cheifs and they can expect a severe ass waxing when the Raiders travel to their dump [..]
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:01 pm
Ig uess the bright side is this:
we know Boller is worthless as anything but a clipboard holder, and played so poorly,
that Carson was able to get some real game time and make up for the pre season he didn’t get…
thanks goodness he didn’t get injured and we can hope this will be the last of Boller FOREVER!
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Two flee flickers ???
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
F7ck Boller release his ass when Pryor gets ready, then it will be code black baby
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:04 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:03 pm
F7ck Boller release his ass when Pryor gets ready, then it will be code black baby
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Boller just ended his career today.
He will be released. He lost the trust of the entire team today with that performance.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:05 pm
How ya’ll doing 2nite?
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Why was Boller ever on this team as a back up, I understand the majority of backups in the league suck but this bad??
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
alex7 Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 10:52 pm
JB,
Hue doesn’t really like JC, so I’d be surprised if JC stayed as a backup here instead of competing next year to start at Miami, Cleveland, or Seattle.
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JC is a free Agent next year. JC will have to make a decision on whether he wants a starting role on some lesser team with a poor record or stay with the Raiders and put in a number of years at BU-QB hoping to get to the SB and make a contribution. I’m not sure how many other teams will consider him as a starter. We know if nothing else, he is a class individual with excellent leadership abilities. I don’t see him as a SB category type QB but I could be wrong. He made great strides while here and earned respect from the fan base. I really like JC the person. He did a better than average job as QB, while here. He conceivably could get even better given the opportunity. With CP on board, it’s not likely that he will recoup the starters position. I for one would really like to see him remain in S&B and reap the rewards of being with an up & coming successful team. He would be a definite upgrade as BU-QB. It may be that staying as BU-QB might be too big a change to swallow. If so, I will understand his choice to move on. I will however cheer for him and support his future success as long as it is not at our expense.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:06 pm
Pryor might never be much better than Boller.
Just keeping it real
Pryor was terrible vs legit college competition.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Upset we didn’t play better, Does anyone think all this media attention and trade talk distracted this team and effected there play?? Boller sked but not on his own!!
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Yah I thought he would come up ready to prove everybody wrong and play a good game but how can you throw interception 6 yard out I don’t know if that ball was tipped or not but that was in excusable and on the other interception during sideline throw to DHB just put a few yards ahead and it’s a TD what’s up with so called strong arm qb’s always throwing few yards behind
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
JB,
couldn’t have said it any better.
JC took us from 4-12 to 8-8, so he probably feels he can do the same elsewhere.
I would LOVE to have him as a backup QB, THE most difficult roster position to fill adequately.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:10 pm
265, agree
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:11 pm
The loss is all on Boller if you down by 2 touchdowns and your qb doesnt give u a chance to make plays then you can’t really do anything
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Nah 707, it was as simple as not having a decent QB, and not having McFadden to carry the load and keep it close.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Campbell will positive and may have His number called upon again, as Bu
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Stat during the game showed Boller was 0-10 in his last 10 games as a stater.
Honestly, results should not have been that surprising, especially since we run a rather vertical (more difficult) passing attack.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
And when we could punch it in from the 2 Yard line that was a back breaker, bush could have scored had he followed Carlisle but he saw a little opening and tried to run through there and Johnson came up real quick to take him down
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Boller – good runner, strong arm, lacks accuracy.
Pryor – good runner, strong arm, lacks accuracy.
we shall see.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:15 pm
I don’t understand why they don’t use Taiwan jones in that situation, Hue Needs to see his YouTube highlight of backward out of pull jump and garbage dump jump, he could just jump over both lines
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Some of you mugs apparently haven’t been watching this team for the past near-decade. To even suggest that acquiring Carson Palmer isn’t phenomenal, after the utter hysterical garbage we’ve possessed at QB over that time period is hilarious.
An endless list of Jamarcus’ and McClown’s should be PLENTY of proof at how horrible we’ve been at that position. And to have a PRO BOWL QB come to our team, who led the frickin Bungles to the playoffs, a career 63% passer (benchmark is 60%), and throws a beautiful, catchable ball (according to the WRs themselves), we are very fortunate. And yet some of you idiots apparently won’t be happy with anything less than a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
Ridiculous.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
And stop using Moore on
Punt returns , jus use him as a receiver and get him started early in the game so he gets feel for the game and then he will get into his beast Mode
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:13 pm
And when we could punch it in from the 2 Yard line that was a back breaker, bush could have scored had he followed Carlisle but he saw a little opening and tried to run through there and Johnson came up real quick to take him down
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Carlisle was the pulling guard on that play, and he totally whiffed and blocked no one.
On one of those picks or terrible throws by Palmer, Satele got tossed aside like a rag doll by the Nose Tackle.
Satele and Carlisle are the weak links on our offensive line. They have moments where they make plays, but it is far too inconsistent.
They need to be replaced ASAP. Move Wisniewski to Center and play Barksdale at guard. A franchise center needs to be one of our main issues to address for next season.
We are still looking for a TRUE replacement for Barrett Robbins! The curse of Barret Robbins continues!
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Also use ford as a scatback like they used him against browns on that one play he caught pass out of backfield
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:21 pm
the only thing Boller is “strong arming” is the payroll person when he “steals”, oops, i mean picks up his pay check…
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:22 pm
ChrisinNC Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Some of you mugs apparently haven’t been watching this team for the past near-decade. To even suggest that acquiring Carson Palmer isn’t phenomenal, after the utter hysterical garbage we’ve possessed at QB over that time period is hilarious.
An endless list of Jamarcus’ and McClown’s should be PLENTY of proof at how horrible we’ve been at that position. And to have a PRO BOWL QB come to our team, who led the frickin Bungles to the playoffs, a career 63% passer (benchmark is 60%), and throws a beautiful, catchable ball (according to the WRs themselves), we are very fortunate. And yet some of you idiots apparently won’t be happy with anything less than a Tom Brady or Peyton Manning.
Ridiculous.
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Chris, a lot of these posters aren’t real members of the Raider Nation.
They follow certain players, not the team. And if THEIR guy isn’t starting or getting the shine they think he should, they start spewing all kinds of ridiculous, unsubstantiated, crap.
We all know that before Carson Palmer, we haven’t had a QB that went to the Pro Bowl and passed for 4000 yards since Gannon.
That is a FACT, no matter how one tries to spin it.
I just ignore most of these clowns.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Scariest thing is Boller could have had at least 2 more picks and a fumbled snap for TD, all in 1 half of football…you’d almost have to work it to play so badly.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Yeah we def should find a Decent RG and C . I don’t know what are the teams plans for Wiz moving forward , Are they going to keep him at LG permanently or move him over to C next Year ? Is B Campbell just a slow learner or hr just sucks ? Can Barksdale play at either G position if required? We need to find answers for those questions.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:26 pm
282,
You’re right. I just get tired of listening to this stupid crap from moronic posers who clearly bailed on this team during the aforementioned dark years. Go fill up some other team’s board, I’m sure they wouldn’t mind another groupie addition.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Is boss just not getting open or is he just not used right in this scheme ? So many questions to answer
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Now we see why the Ravens sucked so badly with an elite defense.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Well it’s fun to lose sometimes we may pay attention to something’s we might not have paid attention to had we won lol
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Yes, all he really needed to do was be a game manager and not turn the ball over , that’s all we asked out of him and I’m preety sure that’s all the ravens asked him to do too, If you can’t do that then I think UFL is better option for him
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:32 pm
Looking ahead, I think 10-6 can be reached. I don’t want to see another home loss. The scenario that wins the division is most likely 11-5 (without worrying about tiebreakers). The most likely losses would be at San Diego and Green Bay.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
On another note I was watching UFL championship and there was one play the quarterback almost got sacked and the ball came out and announcer talked about there’s no tuck rule in the UFL and the other analyst mentioned that he thought that play was only made up to prevent the Raiders from goin to the Superbowl, it’s so true lol
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Van Dyke had clear sailing down the right sideline, but he stepped out of bounds before he could get rolling.
“Oh, man, I saw paydirt,” Van Dyke said. “But next time I’ll make sure I get in the end zone, for sure.”
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Could have been the spark we needed. But….would’a, could’a, should’a, right? Can play that game all day. Fact is we lost and we will not stay down from this one. Palmer will learn the offense, get his timing down, and we will hopefully hit our stride down the stretch.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:37 pm
We have to go atleast 7-2 or 6-3 for a chance to make the playoffs it’s pretty possible with the division were in
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:38 pm
time to make fun of some posters recent posts:
Priesttj: “Just one man’s opinion but if I was a betting man I thinmk those two guys (Boller / Pryor) are going to get it done. It might not be pretty but they will get it done. Stats aint important, wins are…………period.”
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I just hope we don’t miss the playoffs by one game lol
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:39 pm
288-you mean like the fact that in the last 3 games before today we scored 5 total TDs on offense and 1 of those was during garbage time against NE?
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:40 pm
it amazes me how people keep talking about “stats aren’t important,” “this isn’t madden.”
Stats are what actually happened. Like we moved down the field and scored. Or we sacked the QB. Or got an INT. Stats help your team win.
Boller sucked, I told everyone here last week, knuckleheads have rose-colored fan glasses on talking about Boller will get it done lol.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
I saw Boss getting open on some crossing routes while Boller was heaving it deep down the sidelines.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Raiders’ defense only gave up 2 TDs the entire game; only 3.6 yards rushing average against them;
even the 2nd TD that Kansas City scored was off a Raider turnover;
Raiders offense was the worst since the day Mr. Russell qb’d for us.
2nd game in a row that the Raiders had a 4th and one and Mr. Bush did not get in.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Alex they could have gotten done, but what do they say about turnovers ? Oh yah, you Wont win many games in this league if you turn it over so many times
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Atleast we wont have a quarter back controversy between Palmer and Boller. …will we????..
.Boller sucks Weenies. … Palmer had three days of practice. What’s hollers excuse…
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Hey mcf 20… I told u about Atlanta. … and I’m glad You guys right about chargers vs jets bro… how Did u do today with those parlays??
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
We have to go atleast 7-2 or 6-3 for a chance to make the playoffs it’s pretty possible with the division were in
Yes, Raiders will need to win the next two games though against division opponents Denver & San Diego
Raiders need to get healthy and the timing between Mr. Palmer & Company WR needs to solidified
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Raiders’ defense only gave up 2 TDs the entire game; only 3.6 yards rushing average against them;
even the 2nd TD that Kansas City scored was off a Raider turnover;
Raiders offense was the worst since the day Mr. Russell qb’d for us.
2nd game in a row that the Raiders had a 4th and one and Mr. Bush did not get in.
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Haha , atleast we will see more McFadden during good to go situations now, It always pisses me of when they bring that slow bastard during those situations
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Two thoughts….
In the first half, Boller scrambled and slid down three yards short of the first down marker. Slide down after you get the first down, Kyle.
On KC’s goal line stand… If you want to run up the middle, you need to spread the defense out, SO DON’T BRING IN EXTRA OFFENSIVE LINEMEN AND BUNCH THEM ALL IN THE MIDDLE OF THE FIELD! That only makes it easier for the defense.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:45 pm
Raiders need to seriously consider signing Mr. Jason Campbell as our backup QB for the next two-three years.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
McFadden20 look out for that speedster Mr. Independence for taiwan, he adds 10-15 pounds of muscle in the offseason he might take away your starting job, he is fast, has moves, and playing special teams has made him tougher since the beginning of the season.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
Maybe Palmer is done…. he didn’t look phased at all…. I hope we didn’t just trade for sapp part two??
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:48 pm
here’s another good post:
Chris In NY Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I might, might take JaDrank over Boller.
Seriously.
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dude is right!
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:49 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:44 pm
Hey mcf 20… I told u about Atlanta. … and I’m glad You guys right about chargers vs jets bro… how Did u do today with those parlays??
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Sup bro I hit on one parlay and came really close on few but overall wasn’t a bad day besides the obvious bad day as Raiders fan today. How did u do ?
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Ghost,
Palmer hasn’t played a game in 280 days, and knew about 20% of the playbook, and few/none of the audibles and line protection calls.
Palmer today was basically on his first day of July workouts. Relax.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:50 pm
Carson had some laser passes though that thread the needle pass to Mr. Heyward-Bey was a thing of beauty, he had a near perfect arc on each pass.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:51 pm
Chris in NY was on fire last week:
Chris in NY Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Boller is terrible. He’s inaccurate, unpoised and prone to turning the ball over.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
crap I just realized I have to admit Alex 07 was correct about the Raiders needing to get Carson Palmer as our starting quarterback
%$%@^&**(&^%$!!###
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
yo ghost I was also right on Chicago game too picked Miami came close there, they Bella choked against princess tebow
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Boller is probably upset that all he’s been doing well since he’s been here is. .. .
Stealin cash from the Raiders. .
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
I don’t have to do it today though
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:53 pm
The fact that some of you guys are on here dissing Palmer, shows that you absolutely nothing about football.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Yea man… Chicago. .. you were right… Miami was up 15 .. and blew it..lol
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Picked Carolina, Houston , Minnesota +10
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
I like to see Carson pulling his wideouts aside on the bench and teaching them, not exactly sure what specifically, but it was great leadership
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:55 pm
Believe it or not but I actuallly thought there was no way Detroit or Raiders were gonna lose today, lost so many parlays cuz of them
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:56 pm
What we did see today from watching Boller is just how valuable Jason Campbell and the rapport that he built with his receivers really was.
Also how important it is to have a QB who values each and every possession and doesn’t turn the ball over.
Campbell’s biggest problem in my opinion is that he doesn’t know how to protect himself, i.e. sliding properly when on the run and just an overall feel for pressure when the pocket collapses.
If Jason had simply learned how to properly execute an NFL QB slide, we wouldn’t even be having this convo right now, and Palmer would not even be here!
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Houston wooped Tennessee. .. what was the line between colts and saints?? That was a major beat down… looks like Andrew luck will land in Indy. .
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
According to NBC, Palmer stated he knew “10%” of the playbook. And some of you guys are riding him for his performance. After knowing 10% of the playbook. Wow…
Heck, some of you apparently think a QB can just come off the street and start lighting it up. So much for the weeks and weeks of training camp and preseason.
Too many of you getting backyard ball and the NFL confused.
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
I like to see Carson pulling his wideouts aside on the bench and teaching them, not exactly sure what specifically, but it was great leadership
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Yea that was actually nice to see , we might have to go back pre 2002 to find out the last time our QB did that consistently .,,
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
postives:
Van Dyke is showing alot of promise. I was/am one of his biggest na-sayers, but he has played well for a rookie
Carson palmer has a laser for an arm. We havent had a qb throw the ball like that since Gannon. I dont care about the accuracy issues and timing, that will come later.
DHB is a viable option at WR. always liked the kid and his hard work is paying off
Defense played good today, even with all the injuries….
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:59 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:58 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:54 pm
I like to see Carson pulling his wideouts aside on the bench and teaching them, not exactly sure what specifically, but it was great leadership
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Yea that was actually nice to see , we might have to go back pre 2002 to find out the last time our QB did that consistently .,,
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Yes Carson will be fine in Oakland.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 am
As much as I appreciate what Campbell did for us, there were several glaring issues he possessed which would have kept us from contending for a championship. His inability to look off DBs, efficiently progress through reads, and execute a no huddle offense.
To be a top QB in this league, you have to be able to do those things.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:01 am
Negatives:
1. Boller
2. Boller
And
3. Boller…
October 24th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Ghostraiders Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Houston wooped Tennessee. .. what was the line between colts and saints?? That was a major beat down… looks like Andrew luck will land in Indy. .
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What would they do with first pick knowing that they have #18 with them and Luck ready to plucked , would Colts take luck knowing peyton still might have 5 good years left in him and even if they do pick him would he b happy to ride the bench 2-3 years ala Aaron Rodgers
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 am
I missed Carson talking to his WRs, but good to hear.
Were you all not impressed by Pryor’s head-bopping to his music on the sidelines last week??
You KNOW that was an Al pick that Hue did NOT want.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:04 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 23rd, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Houston wooped Tennessee. .. what was the line between colts and saints?? That was a major beat down… looks like Andrew luck will land in Indy. .
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I think its going to be Rams, and Luck will pull an elway!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:05 am
Man saints did put an ass whooping on colts though that seemed like a college game between a power house and division2 team lol
October 24th, 2011 at 12:06 am
McFadden, I think you take Luck, see how Peyton does first 6 games of next year, and…
1) if you’re winning, trade Peyton after the season to get something for him (two 1st rounders should be easy).
2) if Peyton is off, or not 100%, Luck can step in late in the year or in 2013.
Colts taking Luck is a win-win. You get back the 1st rounder you spent on him when you trade Manning.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:06 am
No way petting Manning lasts 5 seasons… he’s almost done… he might already be done… how old is he anyway..??.. definitely on his way down… 95% of his career behind d him..IMO
October 24th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Well I guess I won’t be watching NFLN or BSPN for two weeks.
I know they can’t wait to humiliate us until we win again.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:07 am
It would b tough situation for Rams they might have to say good bye to bradford , I thought he was going to b okay this season. What’s his problem btw I wouldnt mind bringing him in as a backup next year if they let him go after selecting Luck
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Rams wouldn’t take Luck with Bradford there.
They would trade that pick and re-stock themselves with a legit #1 WR, some D, and a faster RB.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Lmn… rams have Bradford. .. I doubt the rams take luck… but I guess They might trade down..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Has it sunk in yet that we’re still 4-3? We’re doing something right. But my goodness that was embarrassing.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Bradford’s problem is having zero WRs, a new offensive coordinator, an old breaking-down RB (Jackson), no TE as safety valve, and an overall bad team.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
F*ck espn and NFL n , Raider nation should put those two channels on ban list unless those are the oy channel provided by their local cable provider lmfao
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
I would trade Pryor to St Louis straight up for Bradford??
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
yeah Sullivan,
how long have we been proposing more zone D to shore up that terrible run D?
Honestly, we COULD have run this team better the last 5 years.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
At some point tomorrow each of you is going to realize that we’re still 4-3. It’s amazing. Truly is. When’s the last time we lose like this in late October, and still wake up monday morning with a winning record?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Ghost, St. Louis would check to see if it was April 1st, then laugh and hang up.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Thankfully during our bye week Kansas City plays San Diego, so either the Raiders will be in a three way tie for first place in the AFC West [all at 4-3]
or
we remain one game back of San Diego and one game ahead of Kansas City
with the future of the Raiders still within our complete control
very few figured the Raiders to be 4-3 going into our bye-week
October 24th, 2011 at 12:12 am
this 4-3 start is the best start to a a season since Gruden in 1998.
Sad, really.
13 years.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:12 am
dang, the best start by a new coach since 1998.
It’s only the best start since 2001.
Still, a decade.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:12 am
As far as the division race..my goodness. There is so much season left.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Has it sunk in yet that we’re still 4-3? We’re doing something right. But my goodness that was embarrassing.
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Yes Sullivan , thanks for asking . Having a winning record takes a little sting out of the pain we endured today so it’s kinda refreshing we don’t go woe is me these days like we been accustomed to the past few years
October 24th, 2011 at 12:13 am
Alex…LOL.. I agree. .. they just might trade Bradford and draft luck.. .. But I get the feeling NFL wants luck to land in Indy. ..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Maybe the Packers have wrapped up the NFC North by the time they play us, and use all their backups
October 24th, 2011 at 12:15 am
The Super Bowl year the Raiders dropped 4 straight, then went on an ungodly win streak. That’s just how the Raiders do it. When they’re hot, they’re hot. But even with good teams, when they stink, boy do they stink.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Ghost, St. Louis would check to see if it was April 1st, then laugh and hang up.
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lmfao , good one
October 24th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Raider Nation;
we were without our starting qb- Jason
our starting rb- Darren
our PK- Sebastion
very few teams in the nfl would win losing these three key players;
in fact if GB or NE were to lose Brady or Rogers > I give you Indianapolis
Raiders now have Carson, we will win the division.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:16 am
Yeah, St. Louis would get maybe a 2nd rounder for Bradford, yet could get two #1s and a #2 for Luck.
Being that Bradford is a legit QB, and St. Louis has so many holes, they would trade the Luck pick.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 am
I’m not too woried about Palmer. .. I know he will be OK…. he just needs to learn our offense and our wr tendencies. .. he’ll be alright…no panic there..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 am
True sullivan. They went on a hot-streak in ‘02 by beating Denver. Maybe it repeats itself!
Rod Woodson with the 99-yard INT td return. In Denver. Season-changing. Awesome.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:18 am
I remember that drive where Woodson made the pick. I was hanging it up. If Denver would have scored there, I would have shut it off.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:19 am
Hahaaha I hope gb already have their division locke by the time play them and they take it easy on us…what would b more sweet is if the season came down to the last game and we knock of the the Dischargers to make it in the playoffs and faceoff and Packers and we stun them and they will look back to that game and b like damn we wish we had beaten them we might have faced some other team
October 24th, 2011 at 12:20 am
yeah Ghostraiders,
no idea why it was freak-out city in here earlier with others. Like they TRULY expected Boller to play well despite being awful his entire career, and/or Palmer to come off the street and play well right away.
It was odd, and it was more than one dude on here.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Faceoff in the superbowl against packers ^^^
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 am
McFadden20,
how old are you? You come off as this totally polite 17 year old.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Next years QB class looks good with Luck , Wilson,Griffin to name a few
October 24th, 2011 at 12:24 am
Alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 am
McFadden20,
how old are you? You come off as this totally polite 17 year old.
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I’m 24 and why are you asking ?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:25 am
Alex.. I assume its a reaction anytime your team gets woooped 28-0… the dissapoinment and negativity will always come out… I knew this wouldn’t be no cake walk… apparently a lot of people did… well I have news for them.. Denver will be no cake walk either… it will be a tough win..IMO
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Man I hope it’s a cakewalk against Denver , we have to take care of bad teams and finish the game by halftime
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 am
Put it out of reach^^
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Mcf20… I think Palmer will be much more in sync with receivers vs Denver. .. but it will still be a hard fought victory…maybe 21-17..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Man it’s getting quite in here , where’s GG we could atleast do sullivan roast to pass time and make us forget about the game
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Quiet
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 am
was just curious McFadden. Odd to see someone coming off as polite and normal.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:31 am
I’ve slacked the last 2 hours on here so I wouldn’t have to make teacher lesson plans for tomorrow. Should probably do those now before I fall asleep
October 24th, 2011 at 12:31 am
Ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Mcf20… I think Palmer will be much more in sync with receivers vs Denver. .. but it will still be a hard fought victory…maybe 21-17..
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As long as we come up on the winning side , I’ll take any score
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Alright guys.. hang in there!! Well be be back. . The Raiders will be back….gnite guys!!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:36 am
or we could smirk at another priesttj post:
priesttj Says:
October 16th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
I wish everyone would just wait ad see what happens for all we know Boller plays way better than anyone expects. Sometimes it’s just about timing and preparedness and opportunity. Whenall those things come together magic can happen who knwos until we play these games and he shows us what he is. After watching the game from home there were some things that i saw that I like a lot his arm is very strong all he neeeds is timing and he’s aggressive so IMO let him play it out.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:36 am
see ya ghost
October 24th, 2011 at 12:37 am
Alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 am
was just curious McFadden. Odd to see someone coming off as polite and normal.
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Thanks man , that’s a nice compliment to hear online
October 24th, 2011 at 12:39 am
Later ghost ..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 am
I spoke of Van Dkye of Van Dyke having an INT but not under these circumstances. I wanted a win. He is a really good player but he needs to be under control when the balls is in the air. I hope that skill come with time and experiences and I mean soon.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 am
So no code black for couple of weeks
October 24th, 2011 at 12:43 am
2romes,
he looks like a taller (and more mature) Phillip Buchanon. Swift hips, turns and runs well. Should be ok with him out there, especially now that Raiders are playing more zone so Offense can’t pick on our DBs knowing exactly what they’ll do each time.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 am
it’s Code Palmer and Code Chiefs (please beat the Chargers) next week.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 am
2romes Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 am
I spoke of Van Dkye of Van Dyke having an INT but not under these circumstances. I wanted a win. He is a really good player but he needs to be under control when the balls is in the air. I hope that skill come with time and experiences and I mean soon.
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I hope him and Chekwa really develop so won’t have to worry about DB’s for awhile
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 am
Alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 am
it’s Code Palmer and Code Chiefs (please beat the Chargers) next week.
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It will be a 3 way tie for 1st place , if chiefs beat the chargers and will make the rest of the season even more exciting
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 am
Lmn… rams have Bradford. .. I doubt the rams take luck… but I guess They might trade down..
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I know Rams have Bradford, and look at what good that have done them??!?
because you have a you 1st round QB no-one says you cant draft a better one..
If Luck denies to play for Indy you know like elway, or like Eli did for SD.. SD had Brees, still wanted Eli, when that wasnt going to happen, they still drafted a QB..
I know Drew Stanton is a 2nd rounder, but he was thought to be IT for Lions, and yet they drafted Stafford, even though he rocks, there are talks about will Lions draft a new 1st round QB, because Stafford is too often injured..
anyhoo, Bradford wont be a starter in St Louis much longer, this season and maybe a game or two next year, as I said, I think Luck is going southways
October 24th, 2011 at 12:48 am
What if all 3 teams win one against each other and end up with identical records ? Do they use strength of schedule thing to determine the winner of the Division or something else ?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:51 am
Talking about injuries.. I hope McFadden’s injury is not long term and hope whatevers ailing rolando goes away with two weeks off
October 24th, 2011 at 12:53 am
There is one bone I like to pick and that is I like to see more of McFadden or McFadden like players in the back fieid as much as possible. I do like Bush but not as much as the players mentioned above. While trying to control a game Bush is Ideal. While trying to score the from behind and keep up with a fast pace offense McFadden or McFadden like players should remain in the game as much as possible.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:53 am
Code Palmer and code chiefs for the win this week
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 am
Either Indy or Miami will end up with the 1st pick.The Rams play Seattle and Arizona twice so they will win a couple games at least.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 am
What’s up with DWOW, what happened to him , he was on fire . Did kick return duties messed up his rythem? I hope he gets back to the beast mode , we really need him in the next game..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Let Carson Palmer go..get rid of the crybaby! Get rid of Boller this off-season quickly…Jason god’s speed for a quick recovery. Raidernation look at this game and hope this will never happen again. Let both QBs go!!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:00 am
Man haven’t some teams been benefitting from poor division play all these years? Niners , steelers , colts to name a few
October 24th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Alex 7, Me Too. He, Van Dyke Tackles better than I thought, already. I hope he does not become ONLY a typicial cover corner.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:04 am
Dcraiderfan Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:57 am
Let Carson Palmer go..get rid of the crybaby! Get rid of Boller this off-season quickly…Jason god’s speed for a quick recovery. Raidernation look at this game and hope this will never happen again. Let both QBs go!!
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I’m not even going to argue with you , since when is it backup qb’s fault, if the game was already out of reach by the time he got in the game?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:06 am
Code black out nite nation
October 24th, 2011 at 1:29 am
Listen, If you ask me why our Receivers got beat it does not take rocket science to figure it out. there is not back shoulder throws to defend lot most good QB and receiver leave open. Also in the Murphy situation I think you would call that opportunity a window. Yes, window to throw through. Windows, Unfamiliar territory for Raiders receivers at this time. you know, a throw in Anticipation that a receiver will be there…… Never mind. Hopefully the Raiders will get there.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:37 am
“Carson Palmer didn’t lose the game,” Jackson said. “Kyle Boller didn’t lose the game. Coach Jackson lost the game. And you guys can write that.”…
There you go, I wrote it.
The team didn’t look ready to play.
And coach…some of those decisions and plays!……
Prior goes in-although he hasn’t played a down-on a QB sneak?!
That one changed the momentum
And stop going for it on 4th and goal. To top that one off, Bush was the QB. That one really made KC feel good.
It’s over, let’s learn from mistakes, move on and get ready for the scrambling, runnning-whatever it is he does-Tebow.
Like this game, that one is winnable.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:47 am
Why in the world is Boller the back-up quarterback?
Just exactly what is he backing up?
Next time send out Lechler, there is no way he could be worse.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:53 am
Looking at these last fews games I like Curry because he tackles what ever is front of him. What has killed this defense when the line has played well is the back support secondary. Every team this year that beat the Raiders the secondary tackled to prevent big plays from our receivers. Classic example was the KFC cornerback VS the Raiders offensive lineman and the KFC cornerback won!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 3:04 am
f*ck kyle boller and f*ck carson palmer
October 24th, 2011 at 3:26 am
Ohh boy, I really do pick some great teams to be fan of…
Now the raiders finally back on track and no meddling GM, so the coach can do what he should… COACH!
Today my soccer club fired their Coach, the last 10 years we have had 7 coaches… hey raider-fans does it ring a bell?
The CEO of the Soccer-club was once a great soccer-mind now an old stubborn man with cancer, hey raider-fans does it ring a bell?
The Soccer club once were the best in the league but now former mediocre teams are even better, hey raider-fans does it ring a bell?
I just hope the turn-around the raiders have done this past year and half is a trail blazer, so i one day can say: “hey Brøndby-fans does it ring a bell?”
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 am
401. Raider nation station had a good idea on those 4th and goal short yds. Satele’s the smallest center in the game. MOve Wizzer into C on those plays…
Satlele 300
Wizzer 315
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 am
Horrible loss but not unexpected. Been a n emotional time and we finally let down. Our D played well but after DMC went down and we were down by so many points had to abandon the run when we needced it the most.
Sad loss but we’ll recover and make a push to the play offs yet…
October 24th, 2011 at 3:55 am
It’s the way they lost this game that bothers me the most….what a pitiful effort from the defense and offense….I never got the feeling that they would get on track during the game…. It was as bad as it gets ..a real stinker ..
October 24th, 2011 at 3:56 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 am
At some point tomorrow each of you is going to realize that we’re still 4-3. It’s amazing. Truly is. When’s the last time we lose like this in late October, and still wake up monday morning with a winning record?
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You sound like Tom Cable…”we’re not losers anymore”….jesus
October 24th, 2011 at 4:01 am
Hue Jackson” it’s on Me”..” I except responsibility “….
Yes Hue, it’s on you…..who else!.. The team. ?…
October 24th, 2011 at 4:32 am
406.GoodOle00 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 am
401. Raider nation station had a good idea on those 4th and goal short yds. Satele’s the smallest center in the game. MOve Wizzer into C on those plays…
Satlele 300
Wizzer 315
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Or you could just take the points
Hue went for it on 4th and goal with 4.47 left in the Cleveland game.
If he just kicked a field goal it’s three scores and the game was over.
Sure we won in the end but why leave the door open?
October 24th, 2011 at 4:33 am
We can still win this division althugh how bad McFadden’s injury is. That guy is gold.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:34 am
*although
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 am
Man.
We can still this division although I don’t know how bad McFadden’s injury is. That guy is gold.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:48 am
Sprained foot…. reported!!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:07 am
Didn’t like that the Raiders were bullied in our own house…
Payback …!!…and it better start with the Donks…..
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 am
battlefield 3 tonight yeaaaaa boooyyyyyy
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 am
glad i can ease my pain with that
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 am
Look how awful the Colts are without Manning, with their back-up QB playing.
We look that bad and/or lost a lot of winnable games, just like the Colts have, going back over the decade of QBs since Gannon retired.
Al did the right thing getting in Campbell after Russell, and Hue did the right thing getting in Palmer after Campbell got injured. We just have to give Palmer a little time to get in football shape and get the playbook and chemistry with receivers down pat, and this team will go on a string of wins.
It was awful today, but the cloud has a silver lining.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:31 am
smoking good chebba huh gg?
October 24th, 2011 at 5:34 am
This one’s all on the offense. D only gave up 14 points despite the 4 turnovers that weren’t returned for TDs. KC only averaged 3.6 yards per carry and completed less than 50% of its passes.
Bottom line: 6 picks and 2 pick-sixes. End of story.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:35 am
GG Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 am
Look how awful the Colts are without Manning, with their back-up QB playing.
We look that bad and/or lost a lot of winnable games, just like the Colts have, going back over the decade of QBs since Gannon retired.
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I’ve been saying for years that if you took Manning off the Colts and gave him to us that we’d be 12-4 and they’d be 4-12. If Boller was our Week 1 starter 4-12 would probably be optimistic.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:42 am
You just can’t rise up to become a consistent playoff team and division winner without a gun at QB.
Campbell is stable, serviceable, and competent after the Russell/McCown/Walter debacle. We’re a .500 type of team under him. Palmer has his questions, but also has more ability as a QB. Once he gets acclimated, we’ll have a more potent passing game, the likes of 300 yards per game, defenses having to fear/respect that more.
Having that kind of ability in the passing game is crucial to be able to compete and hang around with the top few teams in each conference come playoffs.
A measure of consistent clutch down-field throwing.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:44 am
That was about as painful to watch as it gets…..it wasn’t like The Chefs played so great…. It’s that the Raiders played so bad…all I can hope is they use this to improve …..
15 penalties ?… Didn’t expect to win 16 game… But I do expect them to be in the games… They we’re never in this one… Even when the score was 7 zip …the Raiders never showed up… And we were at home…
October 24th, 2011 at 5:45 am
WHAT CAN THE COACHING STAFF & TEAM TAKE FROM THIS ?CAN U LEARN FROM AN AZZ KICKING IN YOUR OWN YARD..
October 24th, 2011 at 5:45 am
sad day in raider nation
October 24th, 2011 at 5:51 am
I still think the Palmer trade was a good one…and will payoff …not so sure Hue should gave thrown him out there yesterday but it’s already done…..
October 24th, 2011 at 5:54 am
GET PALMER SOME LIVE GAME ACTION,BEEN AWHILE,HAVE 2 WEEKS NOW 2 BE THAT MUCH MORE PREPARED 4 DENVER..
October 24th, 2011 at 5:56 am
^.. Not sure Hue should ” have ” thrown Palmer out there yesterday..
October 24th, 2011 at 5:58 am
Dirt… Yep… They really need to respond and just thump the Donks…. Can’t let the Donks and ” Timmy” think they can come out here and win ..
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 am
Our recievers were horrible yesterday…. Worse than Boller?.. Yes…
October 24th, 2011 at 6:02 am
On the bright side:
- DHB continues to play really well. He’s averaging just under 100 ypg the last four weeks.
- VanDyke is going to be really good. To me he is always right there with the receiver but shows poor ball skills. Yesterday he made a pick and raked another ball free from the WR which nearly resulted in another pick.
- Defense posted another solid game.
- At least Palmer got some action and got that out of the way.
On the not so bright side:
- We need McFadden healthy. Bush is good, but he’s really more of a grinder, not the game-changing threat that McFadden is. We’ll have to see if he’s healed up in two weeks. But the fear that the injury will limit his ability or keep him off the field for some games is a real problem.
- Sticking with the run game … If you want to be a bully you can’t get stuffed on multiple runs from the one yard line in back-to-back weeks.
- WRs needed to step up and didn’t. SEVERAL dropped passes in that game, including one that became an interception when we were going in to score.
- If we need to rely on Boller for any stretch we’re probably screwed.
- Three weeks is really not a lot of time to get Palmer ready to play at a high level. Think about it. Most QBs have several years with the same system, same WRs, same o-line, same coaches, same team. Then they have off-season workouts, mini-camps and three weeks of training camp before they play their first preseason game. Then they get another 4 weeks to practice and play in preseason. Right now, Palmer is getting three weeks to get up to speed with none of those experiences. On top of that, everyone else (defenses, d-coordinators) are in mid-season form right now while he’s going to be, at best, first game of preseason form. On top of that, I think there are limitations on how much the Raiders can even practice this week with the bye.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:09 am
OK. HueJax is shouldering the loss, and he’d better. He was definitely HueSux in yesterday’s game planning, preparation, and play calling.
However, if he’s so sure and optimistic about this team and his ability to lead them, I say let him put his job on the line, say if the Raiders don’t win at least 9 games, he’s out of here. So that would make a 5-4 for the rest of the season, very doable. Otherwise, better go looking for another OC job.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:16 am
Here’s my take! Now the whole NFL, not just The Nation, but the whole NFL knows that we F’ed up on having only Boller as a backup…and now we all know how much that injury to JC hurt us bad!
However, I like what i saw in Palmer…when he gets his timing down…watch out (and besides, that last INT was on Moore…doing his best DHB imitation his rookie year against KC, no less)!
Anyways, someone made a point yetserday…if you were planning on putting Palmer in the game ast some point…why not start him? Could it have been any worse? maybe could have been better…maybe!
B@uce called that one! He said he wasn’t feeling it…new swammy?
October 24th, 2011 at 6:17 am
the Raiders were flagged 14 times for 120 yards
6 INT’s
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We would have lost to Miami or Indy playing like we did yesterday!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 am
ALL of you anti Jason Campbell’s need to look in the mirror and start understanding football.True We had to get another QB, however not at the price that we paid, we coulda got D.McNabb,K.Orton, or maybe even V.Young at a lot less expense, and mind you neither of those choices would be gaurantees, but 1 thing is for sure and we better hope that what we saw was for 1 of 3 Reasons in this order.
1-Carson Palmer is rusty and needs time.
2-Carson Palmer needs to learn the Playbook.
3-Carson Palmer is a shell of what he once was
I have not been an advocate of the trade made with the Bengals, and I am of the belief (and I hope that I am wrong) that Palmer is not what he once was.
The potentially career ending hit he took from Kimo von Oelhoffen was not just an injury that he had get over physically, despite the fact that it was not termed as an average ACL tear, his damage was severe and extensive. Ever since he had come back the Bengals wanted him to be the same, but that was not gonna happen…why do you think for all of the issues that TO and CHAD already have… that they were gonna continue to tolerate a once promising QB misfiring on most of his passes that he used to complete with regularity. They were the type of receivers that regulary let him know when they got back to thge huddle where the %$#@()*& you throwin the ball man…and he seems to be the type of QB that is sensitve to that. True he doesn’t have to deal with TO and CHAD here but he will have to eventually perform worthy of his status…which I personally do not think he will. Jason will be missed!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:28 am
I had a packed house full of people yesterday who weren’t Raider fans.
In fact, i’m surrounded by Chiefs fans; at work, at church and in my wife’s family. There is no escaping them
Yesterday was the Super Bowl for me …
KC has won 3 straight and just spanked us at our place 28-0. First time they’ve shut out an opponent on the road since 1973 – Ten years before I was born!
Now I have to hear them talk until Christmas Eve.
The Raiders weren’t prepared to play a football game. Jim Otto lit the torch like we were gonna win this game for Al Davis. He would be disgusted. We haven’t been focused all week. Between trying to fool the media on who the starting Qb will be, trying to find a replacement for Seabass and trying to get creative on defense with blitzes and such … we completely lost our way. We didn’t play Raider football.
I bought a dogg named “Hue”, showed him off to all my friends, spoke highly of him and when I brought him home the first thing he did was crap on my carpet!
Why was Boller taking so many deep shots down the field? the gameplan should have been run-run-run. play action pass. dump offs. screens. We didn’t need Campbell, DMAC or Jano to win this game. KC was awful yesterday. We handed them a victory and I feel bad for the guys who attended the game. Raider fans deserve better
October 24th, 2011 at 6:34 am
Now the whole NFL, not just The Nation, but the whole NFL knows that we F’ed up on having only Boller as a backup…and now we all know how much that injury to JC hurt us bad!
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Hwnrdr,
I wasn’t upset when we brought Boller in last year to be #3 QB for the vet minimum
When he personally choked against Jacksonville (throwing an INT subbing for injured JCamp) I knew I didn’t want him back in any capacity.
Then we re-signed him for 1-year at $1.8 million or whatever it was … to be the #2 QB!
I told you guys that we should have traded Boller, Nmiller & Eugene to Dungver during the offseason in exchange for Tim Tebow when he was 4th in their QB depth chart!
Tebow would have won the game for us yesterday. Boller is trash. Palmer & Pryor weren’t ready
October 24th, 2011 at 6:35 am
Rockstar. I agree! Sadly, the crowd roared when Palmer came in…after his pick 6…the stadium emptied out! One guy behind us kept yelling at the team like they hear him! Kept saying that they are pi**ng him off! As soon as Moore tipped the ball and was intercepted, he threw his beer in disgust and left! Shaking my head…
October 24th, 2011 at 6:37 am
Here’s the thing, any real expectation that Kyle Boller could actually manage a game is complete smoke and mirrors, he is mechanical at best has no intangibles, and moreover his receivers don’t trust him. He is not even an adequate backup, he needs to be replaced immediately. Yesterday was a complete embarrassment. I could on about many things, one thing about Hue that bothers me is I feel his is a bit full of himself, I dont like it.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:37 am
I wasn’t upset about that last year also…this year, I’m with you bro! Was Edwards really that bad? He’s probably laughing his arse off right now, especially since he turned us down to come back! At one point, I don’t blame him!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:39 am
And btw, Mr. corkran here never posts my comments during games, maybe it is because I am am a staunch DHB supporter, oh right he is the 6th best receiver and gets targetted because he was the 7th pick in the draft, oh OK I understand.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:40 am
And somehow I knew that Hue was gonna take the blame solely on him…but the team as a whole seemed deflated after going down by 14! And why run Bush 4 friggen times in a dam row??? COme on now! Everyone knew KC was keying in on the run!!! Oh yeah, #7…
October 24th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Yes Hue had no faith in Holler, that is why he paid the ridiculous price for Palmer, I understand that, but it was also Hue who decided to keep Holler as the backup, any damn novice would know he should be out of the league.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Listen the play calling was questionable, we have had problems running the ball in from the 1 yd. Line, and the last run are you kidding.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Hue’s also got stop living in the past, Palmer was with him at the Bengals and Boller at the Ravens. Boller should have never been on the roster, I never thought that I would see a worst QB that Rex (Reck) Grossman, but Boller is, Trent Edwards would have been more servicable. Hue seems to be sticking with what used to be…I hope this Plamer deal is not an reflection of that, because he will be changing his tone about keeping Jason here very sooon!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Ddwight Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Hue’s also got stop living in the past, Palmer was with him at the Bengals and Boller at the Ravens. Boller should have never been on the roster, I never thought that I would see a worst QB that Rex (Reck) Grossman, but Boller is, Trent Edwards would have been more servicable. Hue seems to be sticking with what used to be…I hope this Plamer deal is not an reflection of that, because he will be changing his tone about keeping Jason here very sooon!!!
Correction Rex (Wreck) Grossman
October 24th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Bush – “I had a good game”
Are you kidding me? Couldn’t punch it in with 4 attempts from inside the 5!? I know it’s not all on him; but if he’s our bruiser and he can’t finish that drive – I don’t know how he thinks he had a good game – Cartwright and Jones would have rushed for 99 – we need him to score that TD at the goal line! Could have changed the complection of the game!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Crap.
You could see this one coming from miles away.
Like Mariucci said, I’ll give the Raiders a mulligan.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Wow so pointing out concerns about the new qb means he is getting trashed? He has a lot to prove, that is just honesty. I understand that 99% of you think he is an instant upgrade or some elite qb, but there are some questions to be answered.
I’m seeing a few double standards as well. Our former starter threw 2 picks vs the patsies & he was suddenly the worst qb ever. Palmer has 3 in one half & it’s no big deal. No one seems concerned that he threw 20 picks & mentally checked out in cincy. Instead peoplemake excuses about how bad cincy is as an organization. When jc arrived this team was terrible, what if he threw 20 picks & wanted to quit would he also get the benefit of the doubt? No.
Of carsons 20 picks 5 were returned for touchdowns. Here is to hopping that he can change his stripes.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:56 am
I bought a dogg named “Hue”, showed him off to all my friends, spoke highly of him and when I brought him home the first thing he did was crap on my carpet!
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LOL!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Oh, how we miss Zack Crockett! But…yes, and the wildcat formation and Bush tried to take the snap and run it in???? That is where we missed DMAC!…anyways, i hope the team takes this humbling loss, and come back strong against Tebow! I wanna see him on his behind all game!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:59 am
As a long time bleeder of Silver and Black…I will give Palmer time to get back into the game and get his timing down! I hope JC comes back, but that is probably not realistic right now! But someone said yesterday…I hope Boller is gone during the bye week! Again, not realistic, but…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:00 am
tussler3 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:54 am
Bush – “I had a good game”
Are you kidding me? Couldn’t punch it in with 4 attempts from inside the 5!? I know it’s not all on him; but if he’s our bruiser and he can’t finish that drive – I don’t know how he thinks he had a good game
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Agreed.
Let’s not forget the 3rd and 1s he can’t seem to get.
Same shiidd last week.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:01 am
On another note: it was good meeting Thec07 yesterday! LOL…that guy had the ladies smiling over him…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:55 am
Wow so pointing out concerns about the new qb means he is getting trashed? He has a lot to prove, that is just honesty. I understand that 99% of you think he is an instant upgrade or some elite qb, but there are some questions to be answered.
I’m seeing a few double standards as well. Our former starter threw 2 picks vs the patsies & he was suddenly the worst qb ever. Palmer has 3 in one half & it’s no big deal. No one seems concerned that he threw 20 picks & mentally checked out in cincy. Instead peoplemake excuses about how bad cincy is as an organization. When jc arrived this team was terrible, what if he threw 20 picks & wanted to quit would he also get the benefit of the doubt? No.
Of carsons 20 picks 5 were returned for touchdowns. Here is to hopping that he can change his stripes.
I am soooo in agreement with you, now grant it Palmer needs time however…there are some tremendous issues here with this guy…we have to go back to the fact of when is the last time this guy had one of those great years…that people think that he is gonna just magically turn it on again in his career, it just does not turn on like that…he just maybe not the same player he once was…at the beggining of his playing days with the bengals.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Carson Palmer made one bad throw yesterday. He’ll be fine.
I’ll go ahead and queue up Dakota here …
This offense will be pathetic without DMac. Pretty sure he’ll dust off the Rue The Day list. If McFadden isn’t playing, there are going to be a lot of folks upset at Carson Palmer.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I’ll say one thing.
I thought Jackson should have protected Boller better, why have him throw across the field right away on the 1st pick? and the that long pass on the 2nd?.
I love that he’s aggresive but ee should have kept it short with screens and maybe throw it to Boss down the middle just to get Boller’s confidence going.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:05 am
#457
Then that means that the Draft picks are wasted if that is true.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:05 am
I think Hue got a little caught up this week.
He tried to do to much in his bag of tricks.
We need to get back to the basics.
Did not see the game but could someone tell me what was up with our experienced WRs. Like Hagan, Schilens, Murphy….Where are they?
October 24th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Ford? What did Ford do?
October 24th, 2011 at 7:07 am
I agree J Hill…give Palmer time! But I guess the question is…how much time? Funny thing is that this seems eerily similar to Gannon…but with Hue saying The time is now…did our window just close with JC out? I hope not!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Palmer is not what you guys think he is—its a shell…time will tell.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 am
CJ, Hagan had a drop, and I don’t think Murphy caught a pass yet this year! Hagan tried to calm the crowd down when the crowd was booing Boller to open the second half…first snap, fumble! Hmmm…Ford? They effectively kept him out of the game by kicking away from him! i don’t know, the whole team was deflated being down 14-0!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 am
he just maybe not the same player he once was…at the beggining of his playing days with the bengals.
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None of us are the same at 30 that we were at 21. Of course he’s not the same guy.
Carson Palmer was not brought here to be THE piece of the puzzle. If he was, that thinking was completely flawed. Darren McFadden is THE piece to the puzzle and Palmer is a VERY nice “compliment”, if you will, to what McFadden brings to the offense.
The defense has to respect what McFadden brings to the table so you end up with a lot of single coverage and the front 7 playing the run instead of rushing the passer.
THAT is why ANY QB who plays with McFadden is going to look good. Boller looked decent playing with McFadden last week. JC was having a career year playing with him. Palmer will be good playing with McFadden too.
CLEARLY, what was missed from yesterday’s offense is what McFadden brings, not what JC would’ve brought.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Agreed, and after Palmers first pass, they “unstacked” the box, and boom…Bush ran for a first down (I believe, but it was a good run)…KC didn’t respect Boller. Makes a difference!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 am
**I Guess JC was not a “non-factor” after all on this team***
It would be nice if the JC haters that show up on this blog quite frequently could admit that JC was relevant and the best QB for yesterdays game was on the sideline. I knew losing JC would be a disaster. Anyone with a little history of watching the NFL knows how bad Boeller was with the Baltimore Ravens.
Anyone who watched the Bengals knows that Palmer through a rediculous # of picks with them last year. It was not all on the WRs. Palmer does need more tie and more plays in the playbook bbut I would be surprised if he did not throw at least four more INTs this year.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Well yesterday was definitely disappointing to say the least.With McFadden gone early the chiefs just keyed on rushing the passer and shutting down the pass. We were too one-dimensional and that just put too much pressure on the qb’s neither of which played worth a damn. I think Palmer will be fine though as he continues to get more comfortable with the players.
It’s the damn penalties and injuries that are killing us right now! We gotta get it together for the stretch run man!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Wassup Hwnrdr!
Top of the morning to ya.
So B has some competition for the ladies out there when Thec shows up, eh?
Too funny.
Tell me something, my man.
Didn’t you guys notice the pressure KC brought once McFadden went to the sidelines? It’s like KC just pinned their ears back and came after Boller balls to the wall. On his last 2 picks, he was getting slammed to the ground as he was releasing the ball, lol. Just threw it up and waited to be blasted.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:16 am
If I was Hue, I would ask Brad Roll WTF is up with all the hammies and ankle strains?
October 24th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Sorry – Boller never looked good!!!
He will not have a team next year, unless it is the UFL.
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465.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 am
he just maybe not the same player he once was…at the beggining of his playing days with the bengals.
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None of us are the same at 30 that we were at 21. Of course he’s not the same guy.
Carson Palmer was not brought here to be THE piece of the puzzle. If he was, that thinking was completely flawed. Darren McFadden is THE piece to the puzzle and Palmer is a VERY nice “compliment”, if you will, to what McFadden brings to the offense.
The defense has to respect what McFadden brings to the table so you end up with a lot of single coverage and the front 7 playing the run instead of rushing the passer.
THAT is why ANY QB who plays with McFadden is going to look good. Boller looked decent playing with McFadden last week. JC was having a career year playing with him. Palmer will be good playing with McFadden too.
CLEARLY, what was missed from yesterday’s offense is what McFadden brings, not what JC would’ve brought.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:19 am
469.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:16 am
Wassup Hwnrdr!
Top of the morning to ya.
So B has some competition for the ladies out there when Thec shows up, eh?
Too funny.
Tell me something, my man.
Didn’t you guys notice the pressure KC brought once McFadden went to the sidelines? It’s like KC just pinned their ears back and came after Boller balls to the wall. On his last 2 picks, he was getting slammed to the ground as he was releasing the ball, lol. Just threw it up and waited to be blasted.
yup, but was it all on DMAC getting hurt, or was it disrespect? Probably a little of both!
As for competition…lol…They both are pretty smooth…that girl yesterday broke her neck to turn around and smile…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:19 am
464.hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 am
CJ, Hagan had a drop, and I don’t think Murphy caught a pass yet this year! Hagan tried to calm the crowd down when the crowd was booing Boller to open the second half…first snap, fumble! Hmmm…Ford? They effectively kept him out of the game by kicking away from him! i don’t know, the whole team was deflated being down 14-0!
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Thanks Hwnrdr!
I never saw this game coming. I thought we could loose this game because of all the injuries but we could not score a field goal? We have to many weapons to go out like that. The biweek could not have come at a better time if you ask me.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:21 am
I agree CJ…couldn’t have come at a better time!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Carson Palmer made one bad throw yesterday. He’ll be fine.
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I hope you’re right…but…
I really didn’t like what I saw yesterday.
I think Palmer’s arm is shot.
No velocity or zip on his throws.
Please let me be wrong, the thought of giving up a 1 and a 2 for washed up, damaged goods really makes me ill.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:32 am
“I didn’t think I was going to play, so I didn’t have much expectation,” Palmer said. “I expected to get a feel from watching from the sideline and watching coverages unfold, pass protections be picked up and watch the running game — different play-action things I was expecting to watch from the boundaries.” – Carson Palmer
Wow!! This is our leader?!?!? Are you kidding me?!??? Throwing his coach under the bus after one of the worst halves of football in raider history?!?? Finger pointing & blame can turn us into the bungles west. He needs to shut up & improve.
Compare this to our fallen leader. Jc has never done this he only says I messed up & I will work to improve. Palmer is not off to a good start. You had on a uniform & accepted a game check now you should accept responsibility for that hideous showing.
Fellow bloggers Carson doesn’t need your excuses…. He brings his own
October 24th, 2011 at 7:40 am
I think Palmer’s arm is shot.
No velocity or zip on his throws.
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He made 3 really nice throws into coverage. Murphy dropped one, DHB caught his (of course!), and the last one slips my mind.
Put one right on Ford that was dropped and of course the D Moore drop that turned into a pick.
I didn’t see an issue with arm strength.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Mistic,
I know you are big Hue Jackson guy.
Why do you think he traded for Carson Palmer instead of waiting out JCs injury and signing him to an extension?
October 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
I see KoolKell was complaining and wondering why we didn’t upgrade the #2 spot this offseason.
Only problem, during the preseason when I was ranting and raving about the lack of a quality #2, he called me disengenious, said he is confident in Boller, and I am just hating because I wanted Gradkwoski back (which I didn’t) and because I don’t like Soup.
What a POS!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
#465
THAT is why ANY QB who plays with McFadden is going to look good. Boller looked decent playing with McFadden last week. JC was having a career year playing with him. Palmer will be good playing with McFadden too.
You thought Boller looked decent against the Browns…what are you kidding me, you making it sound like like its on McFadden ti make every QB be a Pro-Bowler…you have a low IQ on football…a Healty McFadden was not going to stop that train wreck yesterday…all those plays you witnessed was the result of poor QB play…thats the fact!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Chiefs win next week, and they are in first place, and undefeated in the division.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Bruce Campbell inactive, even though Hue has started replacing Carlisle on short yardage situations (he had Heyer in there yesterday).
So basically, an opportunity to play more has arised, and he isn’t even allowed to suit up.
Not listed on the injury report all week as well.
Hue, is over it.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:50 am
The run game & defense were fine. Six interceptions is the sole reason for that dumpster fire of a game
October 24th, 2011 at 7:51 am
I think what he was trying to say was we lost 2 players that makes a difference! Well, 3 because we either had to punt or go for it on 4th down while we were in Jano’s range! Man, that kicker we signed made what? 20k on one kick off??? Anyways, teams respect DMAC, and Campbell. JC made the throws necessary to keep the defense honest…DMAC, the league knows that he can turn the corner and score any time he touches the ball! So yeah…DMAC probably wouldn’t have mattered yesterday, but it always takes the pressure off of the QB when he’s in there!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:53 am
483.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:50 am
The run game & defense were fine. Six interceptions is the sole reason for that dumpster fire of a game
Exactly!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:55 am
“I didn’t think I was going to play, so I didn’t have much expectation,” Palmer said. “I expected to get a feel from watching from the sideline and watching coverages unfold, pass protections be picked up and watch the running game — different play-action things I was expecting to watch from the boundaries.” – Carson Palmer
For all the issues that Chad and TO had,this guy is unbelievable…this gutless overpriced washed up piece of *&^%$#%$#@@! damaged goods is not gonna fare good here…and Hues gonna have to really deal with this decision because of these top picks we gave up for this trash!!! what does he think his job is to just sit on the bench and not play???!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:55 am
This game was lost early on 3rd and 1 when Hue got cute with Pryor and we got a penalty that resulted in the pick six. I told my section that was gametime and some acted like they wanted to fight lol. Then Hue waited way too long to sit Boller. Hue this is your 3rd blown game. Your cute playcalling early on hurts this team!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:57 am
I will say this…I think we should have gone/stuck with Boller until Campbell came back. Which is apparently 6 weeks. I’m not basing this off of Palmer’s play yesterday, either. Palmer stepped into a tuff situation and needs time. I understand that. But look at JC guys. This guy is a leader, knows the offense, and has brought this team back to respectability. Lets say of the 6 weeks he’s out and we split the 6 games between wins and loses. That puts us at a respectable 7-5. Then we get JC back. AND we also keep our draft picks. Boller was horrid yesterday! Well aware of that. Keep in mind, this is also a guy who hasn’t played all season, and has had the distraction of the past week with all the Palmer hype.
Hue wants to win now, and I understand that. Would have liked to have seen more of a commitment to JC. That’s all.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:57 am
B@uce! You called it man…but hey DVD got his first…
I knew something was wrong when you didn’t come back with your clear!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Vegas…..fk Gradkowski. Id rather go 0-16 then to see that talentless lising homofied qb on my team again. Soup way better than Grad’s sorry ass will ever be. he aint a good number 2…..He is a great 3rd or CFL STARTER! Stop bringing that phaggot upp in here. Its disgusting
October 24th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Hwnrdr…..i always can feel it out especially when I see energy of tailgaters
October 24th, 2011 at 8:04 am
491.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Hwnrdr…..i always can feel it out especially when I see energy of tailgaters
Yeah, and it also didn’t help that no one showed up on my side yesterday either…but we should have 3 car loads for the Denver game and cuzzo will be there!
And yeah, i agree…Hue got cute yetserday when he shouldn’t have…knowing who was our QB!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Hue didn’t fall on the sword, he stabbed himself.
After possibly his best game as Raider play-caller, he followed it up with his worst.
Should have left the training wheels on Boller.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:12 am
You thought Boller looked decent against the Browns…what are you kidding me,
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Decent enough for us to win the game. Led us to a couple FGs, didn’t turn the ball over. Hit that nice sideline pass to Chaz that was called back because us the Satele penalty.
Decent was probably overstating it.
How about “serviceable”???
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 am
People are acting like Hue picked Palmer over Campbell. Campbell is badly injured. He may not even be healthy enough to play again this season. Boller sucks, but Hue could’ve called a better game. The bottom line is that without a good qb, teams simply do not win on a consistent basis. Right now, Campbell is the best qb for Oakland. Unfortunately, he’s hurt. Palmer is a good qb who needs to learn in a hurry. This isn’t a good situation, but things will likely get better.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Safety Mike Mitchell said this game pointed out how the Raiders still aren’t at the point where they win without playing at or near their best football.
He said the top-tier teams don’t have games like this. They find a way to overcome injuries to key players and don’t lose games to supposedly inferior teams at home.
“For the good teams, it doesn’t happen like that,” Mitchell said. “That’s what we’re still striving to be. We’re striving to be a really good team that, hopefully, we can get to the point where these games are a thing of the past. But, obviously, we still got a lot of work to do.”
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Now maybe some folks on here with their weekly predictions of blow out wins (lol) and Super Bowl visions dancing in their heads can finally get real. This is still a work in progress. Nine wins would be a very good year.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:14 am
ddwight Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
#465
you have a low IQ on football…
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LOL!
Really???
Why, because I disagree with you?
Nice.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:15 am
I’ll be getting grief from the Chef fans today…you live by the sword and die by the sword..
Spent a lot of time Taunting them last week…I’ll have to stand up and take it….I agree with you that say Hues playing calling was weak…. Thought the samething…if Hue said anything about Haley trying to Run up the score I don’t like that….Bully’s don’t whine when they get bullied… They remember it and get payback…
Of course the Donks are sure they will come in here and win with Timmy..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:16 am
And you know what, Mike Mitchell is absolutely right! But it as clear that what happened last week and during the first series of the game made a HUGE difference! But Hue should have never called a long bomb with who is at the helm!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:17 am
# 496…Mitchell is correct
October 24th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Correct me if I’m wrong but did Aaron Curry jump on the KC running back’s back to tackle him for no gain?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:19 am
Looked like Curry was trying to do some physical damage to that guy when he jumped on his back, lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:20 am
ok, cool…I thought I saw Curry jump on his back…lol!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Hue gets too cute with his playcalling and he doesnt use his TE enough….yesterday should have been the Kevin boss show. He was open alot. We make this big signing and only used this guy the NE game.
HUE GETS YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, stop the overconfident BS and run normal football plays
October 24th, 2011 at 8:22 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Chiefs win next week, and they are in first place, and undefeated in the division.
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Yeah, I would actually like to see the Chargers win that game. Raiders play San Diego soon, they can take care of business then.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
San Diego, and the Raiders, are superior teams to KC. Chiefs were lucky to face us when they did.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
# 504… exactly….not the right time for Cutsie play calling…and not enough Kevin Boss….if your best runners hurt you gotta use the TE
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Hey B…what happened to Boss? I heard he has a concussion?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Time for Cooper Carlisle to be sat the fk down! This guy is horrible as hell as a power blocking RG….I keep explaining this to yall and some on here just wont listen! On that 4th down play at the goaline Coop’s lack of strength caused Bush to not get in….it was a dumbass formation but it could have worked had a real RG been starting for us….end this debacle now. Start Bruce Campbell or Stephon Heyer….Coop is killing our run game!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Come on Nation, relax. We should have seen it coming even though I didn’t. Got caught up in Raidermania. The Chiefs game planned Boller. They knew Palmer did not know enough of the playbook. 1st, Boller, how many times have we seen a team game plan the backup after he’s played one game. They knew Bollers tendencies and set him up to fail. As far as Palmer, he threw with velocity and touch. But he had no timing with the receivers. He WILL be fine. Playcalling, Hue had a good play called with Pryor. The refs had it wrong. He did come to a 1 second set. Hut, Hut is more than one second. Lost our running game and check out their run defense. Dared us to pass and Boller did. We are still in good shape and we will hit Denver hard. Raiders 35-24 over Denver. Also losing Seabass really hurt.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:24 am
508.hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Hey B…what happened to Boss? I heard he has a concussion?
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I say he was bored from not getting any looks
October 24th, 2011 at 8:24 am
506.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
San Diego, and the Raiders, are superior teams to KC. Chiefs were lucky to face us when they did.
And you know what, when JC went down while on their bye week, you know Haley was licking his chops!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:25 am
511.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:24 am
508.hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Hey B…what happened to Boss? I heard he has a concussion?
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I say he was bored from not getting any looks
LMAO!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:25 am
And this wont be popular on here….but Dmoore hasnt played worth a damn since NYJ game….time to sit him him….oh wait they have demoted him some they replaced him alot with Louis sorry ass Murphy lol…..damn shame cuz this guy just isnt running out there with confidence but he demands playing time huh HUE?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:27 am
The defense played real well….best game I seen this season in all honesty…DVD looks better and better each week
October 24th, 2011 at 8:27 am
I truly did like all the fighting late in the game….GOOD!…..yall should be pissed
October 24th, 2011 at 8:28 am
I thought Todd Haley was a whiner and a crybaby when he whined about Then Donkey coach McDaniels running up the score…..don’t want to see or hear Hue Jackson whine about Haley trying to run up the score … Just beat them next time..Raiders don’t whine… And neither do bully’s….
Get it together Hue..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:30 am
And I wont rag on Carson too much but he has always thrown a bunch of INTs…I dont care if he was here whole season thats what he will continue to do. Most real elite QBs have a 2:1 TD-Int ratio…..Palmer will never have that. He suppose to be so much better than JC and I dont see it. He can throw deep ball better and isnt a deliberate with his passes but his decision making can be disgusting at times….nonetheless he was put in a bad spot. Down 21-0…what else could he do? Hue’s should have brought him in after Boller’s 2nd INT if not then the first poss of 2nd half….Hue grow a mustaches and grow a brain will you?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:31 am
This is a game by seasons end that we will look back an say wow
we didn’t play well that day. It’s one loss not the end of the world or season. Bi-week is here. Let’s lick our wounds an come back strong. Denver will be coming here with a vengeance. Gotta get our heads on straight,put this behind us an go play good football the rest of the way.
Hue will have to check his play calling moving fwd
stop being flash an just go out an play smash mouth football
on offense,defense an ST
October 24th, 2011 at 8:31 am
mustache*
October 24th, 2011 at 8:32 am
519.r8dercain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:31 am
This is a game by seasons end that we will look back an say wow
we didn’t play well that day. It’s one loss not the end of the world or season. Bi-week is here. Let’s lick our wounds an come back strong. Denver will be coming here with a vengeance. Gotta get our heads on straight,put this behind us an go play good football the rest of the way.
Hue will have to check his play calling moving fwd
stop being flash an just go out an play smash mouth football
on offense,defense an ST
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Cain….this bye week he has to get his starting units set in stone….carlisle sit, moore sit if you still looking like a rookie, use Boss more…play smash mouth and keep tonga out there
October 24th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Cain….this bye week he has to get his starting units set in stone….carlisle sit, moore sit if you still looking like a rookie, use Boss more…play smash mouth and keep tonga out there
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absolutly correct bruh
October 24th, 2011 at 8:34 am
We all knew the Raiders were gonna lose more games…. Just not like this…
October 24th, 2011 at 8:34 am
I do blame Hue Jackson for playing the media darling all week and losing focus on the game at hand.
First to take your rookie 3rd string QB who has never seen and NFL snap into a game to try a trick play is ridiculous.
Second to try so many trick plays with a backup QB is really bush league.
Lastly the game plan…why not just run Bush 40 times with a lot of short screen passes and dump off’s to the TE. Palmer should have never seen a snap he is in no way ready.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Method, I started Moore in FF and got big #’s at first. Noting since. You get a lot of info on player production from FF.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Well I hope this doesnt mean no sellout for the Denver game.
Fan tend to abandon this team when the let them down. The “here we go again” mentality.
Common Raider Nation. Lets keep this sellout streak going! I know I’ll be there!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
All the tonga haters need to eat crow. He’s a REAL fullback.
No offense to MReece.
Just sayin!!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
This is the second game this year already where Satele and Carlisle got bullied!
B@uce you were right.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
HUE GETS YOUR HEAD OUT OF YOUR ASS, stop the overconfident BS and run normal football plays
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I have to agree with this.
At least tone it down a bit. We shouldn’t be running flea flea flickers every damn game.
Totally agree with normal football plays though. Bush outta the wildcat from the 1 yd line???
Really????
Especially after we had to take a timeout and KC got to prepare for it.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:41 am
And this wont be popular on here….but Dmoore hasnt played worth a damn since NYJ game….time to sit him him
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Yeah, I said the same thing last night.
Chaz and Hagan are playing much better for what we need.
Ford isn’t that “guy” anymore either. I’d alternate him and Moore in the slot and just roll with DHB (glad he didn’t tear his ACL), Hagan, and Chaz.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Remember the last time Hue called a really poor game and our offense was awful?
Next game, we blew Denver out 59-14.
Sounds like a plan.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Vegas…..fk Gradkowski. Id rather go 0-16 then to see that talentless lising homofied qb on my team again. Soup way better than Grad’s sorry ass will ever be. he aint a good number 2…..He is a great 3rd or CFL STARTER! Stop bringing that phaggot upp in here. Its disgusting
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Uhh……I brought him up mentioning I didn’t want him back.
But, not upgrading him (Boller is clearly not an upgrade) was a major mistake.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Agree…. Hue did not have the Raiders ready to play yesterday…it’s been a whirlwind two weeks…… Hue needs to settle down and settle the team down and play basic ball till they get in a real groove …no fancy schidt right now..and if ya do it better work..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
532.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Vegas…..fk Gradkowski. Id rather go 0-16 then to see that talentless lising homofied qb on my team again. Soup way better than Grad’s sorry ass will ever be. he aint a good number 2…..He is a great 3rd or CFL STARTER! Stop bringing that phaggot upp in here. Its disgusting
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Uhh……I brought him up mentioning I didn’t want him back.
But, not upgrading him (Boller is clearly not an upgrade) was a major mistake.
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Fk that guy period! He is a loser like Boller….no upgrade at all…who the hell were we gonna get at backup? No one
October 24th, 2011 at 8:43 am
I thought Hue was brash with his play calling and his entire game play in general.
To call 2 flea flickers with Kyle Boller as your starting QB and call numerous down field difficult throws was despicable. I was screaming at him early and often.
Boller is who we thought he was; a UFL caliber QB. And Hue was dumb enough to think he could call an aggrisive game plan with him at QB.
It was an aweful game on those accounts. Lets just hope it was all the distraction of this week. I hope Hue learns from this because it doesnt seem like he learned from the 4th and 1 last week. He did it again in the 1st quarter yesterday!
Is this guy getting too big for his own good? Someone better reel him in.
He’s making me nervous. And I like the guy. But the last thing we need is a Rex Ryan type.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Well we went from thinking WR was a strengh of our team, to being right back where we were with Chaz hurt, and Moore, FOrd and Murphy regressing massively.
It was fun for a few weeks though!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:45 am
Has DMoore hit the rookie wall thus early???
Hopefully during the Bi he can get his rest. An get focus back.
Again it’s a loss. That’s IT.
We will get better an won’t be whooped like this again
Print That!!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Most teams have ” stinkers” like this one…… Let just not have anymore… Ok Hue?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:47 am
What I don’t understand is why we came out passing like boller is manning or brees
our strength is running the ball damnitt
an that’s how we should have played the game
October 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
R8…thought the samething… Why sling the ball so early
October 24th, 2011 at 8:50 am
That Palmer trade should have included a swap of Boller and Gradkowski also. Grads may suck, but he is twice the QB Boller is.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Boss now has 3 concussions in his last 14 games.
Major, major concern moving forward.
Could be a reason the Giants didn’t offer him contract, nor did he get much action in FA.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
No, Because Boller hasn’t looked good at all.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:51 am
527.r8dercain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
All the tonga haters need to eat crow. He’s a REAL fullback.
No offense to MReece.
Just sayin!!
528.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
This is the second game this year already where Satele and Carlisle got bullied!
B@uce you were right.
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Yep….Tonga is smashing cats, but i still like Reece playmaking…..Satele and Carlisle not strong enuff…I’ll let Satele stay out there but a RG that is 290 lbs isnt gonna get it
October 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Especially since Bush seems to run very well aginst KC … Except on that goaline attempt yesterday … No push from the Oline there ..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Grad is a loser as are all of his supporters
October 24th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Has DMoore hit the rookie wall thus early???
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Too much too soon.
I mentioned this a few months ago.
Hopefully he hits the wall now, and gets his second-wind the last quarter of the season.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:53 am
545.fingers Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Especially since Bush seems to run very well aginst KC … Except on that goaline attempt yesterday … No push from the Oline there ..
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watch Cooper on that…bush scores if coop wasnt a wimp
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Yep, hope Boss doesn’t turnout to be a ” mushhead” like Zack Miller
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Whats up Raider fans! Brien! Whats good?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
After watching a replay, my concern is that even if Palmer is 50 percent better in two weeks, it won’t be good enough.
He was so out-of-synch with his receivers — there was no synch at all — that it might take him 4 or 5 games to get anywhere near up-to-speed.
Jackson needs to develop a conservative, run-first gameplan that allows Palmer to manage the game, not unlike how Campbell did it. Palmer also needs to learn to throw the ball way (just like Campbell) and avoid picks at all costs.
Jackson and Palmer’s top priority has to be to not turn the ball over.
Never thought I could miss Campbell so much.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Curious why Hue pulled Carlisle, and went with Heyer, on 2nd and 3rd down on the Bush failed goalline situation, only to reinsert him on 4th down and have him be the lead, pulling blocker.
Basically has no confidence in him on 2nd and 3rd down, but enough on 4th down to draw up a play damn-near specifically for him.
Doesn’t make any sense to me.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:55 am
JC looks way better than JaCarson Palmer! NO way we win anymore games this year. Hue Jackson reminds me of a used car sales man ! Brings in a lemon of a QB and trys to tell us its mint condition… Hue stick to coaching and STFU !
October 24th, 2011 at 8:56 am
548… Gonna ReWatch the game this afternoon… You are correct ..no push from the Oline…. We gotta score from the 1… Just gotta ..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:57 am
550.PlunkforHOF Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Whats up Raider fans! Brien! Whats good?
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Man rough one Plunk
October 24th, 2011 at 8:57 am
342.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:09 am
Bradford’s problem is having zero WRs, a new offensive coordinator, an old breaking-down RB (Jackson), no TE as safety valve, and an overall bad team.
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Amazing! Didnt think I’d ever hear Alex recognize the importance of a QB’s supporting cast and offensive coaching continuity. Poor, poor Sammy. At the end of the day though, he’s got it ten times better than Jamarcus ever did here. And JR never went 0-5.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Huellywood….Starring Hue Jackson, at theaters near you…………….
October 24th, 2011 at 8:58 am
If I can stand to watch it…. That’s about as painful a game as I’ve seen for awhile…. Reminded me of the ” you know who ” years..
October 24th, 2011 at 8:59 am
As I said yesterday: No Soup, no DMAC, No McClain, No Reece, how good can we expect the team to be?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:59 am
So we can blame Carlisle on the 4th down play, but who do we blame on 2nd and 3rd down?
All 3 were failures, and Carlisle was only on the field for one of the 3.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
I hear ya B.. I was so pissed off and screaming my head off that my dogs went cowering in the backyard.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Could be a reason the Giants didn’t offer him contract, nor did he get much action in FA.
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Don’t think that’s accurate at all, Vegas.
Giants were trying like hell to keep him.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
552.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Curious why Hue pulled Carlisle, and went with Heyer, on 2nd and 3rd down on the Bush failed goalline situation, only to reinsert him on 4th down and have him be the lead, pulling blocker.
Basically has no confidence in him on 2nd and 3rd down, but enough on 4th down to draw up a play damn-near specifically for him.
Doesn’t make any sense to me.
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Hue’s method to his madness is questionable
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Worse than the you-know-who years. That was 2006esque
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Horrible play calling by Hue passed way too much with a horrible back-up and new QB? On the bright side even though Palmer made some bad mistakes he did look confident in the pocket and made some nice throws. It gives me hope that the season is still much alive.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Raiders should approach the Denver game with a conservative game plan and rely on running the ball. Denver may have pulled off a miracle yesterday, but they are still terrible. Tebow had 24 yards passing going into the 4th quarter yesterday. Palmer with a simplified offense can still outplay Tebow. No more trick plays!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:02 am
551.RaiderfanNY Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:54 am
After watching a replay, my concern is that even if Palmer is 50 percent better in two weeks, it won’t be good enough.
He was so out-of-synch with his receivers — there was no synch at all — that it might take him 4 or 5 games to get anywhere near up-to-speed.
Jackson needs to develop a conservative, run-first gameplan that allows Palmer to manage the game, not unlike how Campbell did it. Palmer also needs to learn to throw the ball way (just like Campbell) and avoid picks at all costs.
Jackson and Palmer’s top priority has to be to not turn the ball over.
Never thought I could miss Campbell so much.
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It’s called managing the game. Pat Kirwan said the best game manager in the NFL is Peyton Manning. It’s the responsibility of every QB that’s ever played and JC was pretty damn good at it. The term “game manager” shouldn’t have a negative connotation.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:02 am
560.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:59 am
So we can blame Carlisle on the 4th down play, but who do we blame on 2nd and 3rd down?
All 3 were failures, and Carlisle was only on the field for one of the 3.
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Coop constantly sucks when its time to power
October 24th, 2011 at 9:02 am
527.r8dercain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 am
All the tonga haters need to eat crow. He’s a REAL fullback.
No offense to MReece.
Just sayin!!
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Tonga is playing well.
I tried to shoot some questions to Corkran yesterday about his chances on remaining the starter once Reece is healthy. Corkran wouldn’t bite.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Jesus Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:55 am
JC looks way better than JaCarson Palmer! NO way we win anymore games this year. Hue Jackson reminds me of a used car sales man ! Brings in a lemon of a QB and trys to tell us its mint condition… Hue stick to coaching and STFU !
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F*ck off Jesus you p*ssy!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
On top of it all, MR’s Sockpuppet Army was in full force, bagging on Al, the B@uce, and all things Raider. Little biotch
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Gotta be able to get it in from the 1…no matter who’s in there….anybody involved has to do better….just not enough push from the Oline..
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
As for Boss, Mara said that the team had a verbal agreement with the tight end but the Raiders swooped in and doubled their offer of guaranteed money while the tight end was in the air on his way back to New Jersey.
Boss received a four-year deal worth $16 million with $8 million guaranteed.
“We thought we had a deal agreed to,” Mara said. “The agent had verbally committed pending Kevin’s approval. Kevin was on a plane on his way to the East Coast and while he was on the plane, he hit the lottery and the Raiders came in and basically doubled the money that we were willing to pay.”
“They were the only team in the league that was willing to pay more than we were willing and in fact they ended up doubling the guaranteed money,” he said.
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Basically, the Giants offered him peanuts, and he had no other offers besides the Raiders.
Here’s the link:
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/6871926/new-york-giants-ceo-attempted-keep-steve-smith-kevin-boss
October 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
566.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Raiders should approach the Denver game with a conservative game plan and rely on running the ball. Denver may have pulled off a miracle yesterday, but they are still terrible. Tebow had 24 yards passing going into the 4th quarter yesterday. Palmer with a simplified offense can still outplay Tebow. No more trick plays!
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We’re already 5-3 in my book. I don’t think we could lose to the Broncos with Tebow if we tried. This is a get-well game for Palmer. If he fails here, we should all be in panic mode.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
553…You know the old adage about throwing enough against the wall and maybe SOMETHING sticking…..Huellywood….
October 24th, 2011 at 9:05 am
570…lmaooooo…Timmy Tee’s bringing Jesus in with him after the Bye….we gotta be up to the task..
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
476.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:32 am
“I didn’t think I was going to play, so I didn’t have much expectation,” Palmer said. “I expected to get a feel from watching from the sideline and watching coverages unfold, pass protections be picked up and watch the running game — different play-action things I was expecting to watch from the boundaries.” – Carson Palmer
Wow!! This is our leader?!?!? Are you kidding me?!??? Throwing his coach under the bus after one of the worst halves of football in raider history?!?? Finger pointing & blame can turn us into the bungles west. He needs to shut up & improve.
Compare this to our fallen leader. Jc has never done this he only says I messed up & I will work to improve. Palmer is not off to a good start. You had on a uniform & accepted a game check now you should accept responsibility for that hideous showing.
Fellow bloggers Carson doesn’t need your excuses…. He brings his own
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478.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Mistic,
I know you are big Hue Jackson guy.
Why do you think he traded for Carson Palmer instead of waiting out JCs injury and signing him to an extension?
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Damn did Mistic just duck your question or what?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
RaiderDebo, if the Raiders lose to Denver, we should be in jump off the bridge mode.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
Definitely all on Hue. Bad play calling all the way around. 3rd and short beggining the game, put Pryor in motion to take snap. 1st and goal, unable to punch it in. Bush in wildcat on 4th and goal? Too cute Hue.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
I’m cutting Palmer some slack. He was in the couch last week and had no business playing in that game. Now we know why they went out and got a QB. Boller would tank the season. But Palmer will be fine. Give him some time FFS.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
PlunkforHOF Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
On top of it all, MR’s Sockpuppet Army was in full force, bagging on Al, the B@uce, and all things Raider. Little biotch
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That’s complete B.S. MR was pretty positive about the Raiders yesterday. He was bagging on Hue for not starting Palmer. The B@uce deserves what he gets.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Ok…I gotta go get some work done and try and forget this game…. See you Raiders later…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Blaming Palmer?
LOL.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:09 am
This is Jackson’s loss. Jackson loves the camera and he seemed to be consumed by the QB media circus. It probably backfired because the Raiders played like a team that was distracted.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am
HueJack will learn from this. We’ll stomp Den. in a couple weeks.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Have to get a big lead on Denver, as to not get Tebow’d at the end.
In his last 4 games, Denver has outscored the opponents something like 63-17 in the 4th quarter (basically wipping 10+ points a game).
Yesterday, was the first time in NFL history a team came back and won when down 15 points with under 4 minutes in a game.
They guy is dominating 4th quarters, and we need to be prepared for that.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am
578.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
RaiderDebo, if the Raiders lose to Denver, we should be in jump off the bridge mode.
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For sure.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 am
571.PlunkforHOF Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
On top of it all, MR’s Sockpuppet Army was in full force, bagging on Al, the B@uce, and all things Raider. Little biotch
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he will never show up
October 24th, 2011 at 9:11 am
alright, after a day a little more calm. Both Boller and Palmer threw a bad pass on the hook routes, the cb was just sitting on them. That being said the wrs need to comeback for the ball. The deep balls, you have to give the wrs a chance to make a play, they didnt. DWow was just D-ehhh. Bey is the only one that showed up. This loss is on Hue and the wrs….
October 24th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Hue Jackson blew this game. In the first quarter he should have run, run, run and run the damn ball. Hue also need to settle down and let the Al Saunders call the plays. Hue is getting too cute with some of his BS.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:11 am
581.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:08 am
PlunkforHOF Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
On top of it all, MR’s Sockpuppet Army was in full force, bagging on Al, the B@uce, and all things Raider. Little biotch
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That’s complete B.S. MR was pretty positive about the Raiders yesterday. He was bagging on Hue for not starting Palmer. The B@uce deserves what he gets.
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MR you will never show up
October 24th, 2011 at 9:12 am
I’m not MR, but I will be at the Denver game.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:13 am
MR you wont show up…..email b aue_2010@yahoo you lil coward
October 24th, 2011 at 9:13 am
478.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Mistic,
I know you are big Hue Jackson guy.
Why do you think he traded for Carson Palmer instead of waiting out JCs injury and signing him to an extension?
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he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
October 24th, 2011 at 9:14 am
b auce_2010@yahoo.com
October 24th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Sure missed JC yesterday. But to be fair I would of criticized him if he took those sacks instead of chucking them up there like Boller did.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:14 am
578….Asked pretty much the same question last night…He has been conspicuously….MIA……On his response…..Shocked…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Bad bad decision making everywhere.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
Hue was like a frustrated kid playin Madden out there.
Manage the game.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/24/cam-newton-had-his-best-game-yet/
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Wow! Lots of posters eating humble pie at the end of this thread. Anyone on here feel like confessing this morning?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
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Didn’t Hue and the Bengals both say they were talking before the season even started?
True that it may have never went down without Soup getting hurt, but Hue had wandering eyes for sure.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
We dodged a bullet by Palmer not getting hurt out there yest…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
578.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 am
RaiderDebo, if the Raiders lose to Denver, we should be in jump off the bridge mode.
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you arent apart of “we”…..MR
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Two big games after the bye.
Look, none of the other three teams in this division are that good. The notion that SD is super-talented is a myth. That was true four or five years ago. Not anymore. We know KC and Denver are trash.
The key will be hanging in there and keeping pace now while Palmer is getting up to speed. If we can indeed do that, we should be clicking on all cylinders come playoffs. The question is: can we do that? It won’t be easy to be really ready to rock & roll for Palmer, even in another two weeks. It’s still not that much time.
Gotta get DMC fully healthy as well. The fact he was standing on the sideline the whole game tells me that maybe it’s not that bad, but we’ll see. Need to use Taiwan Jones more if DMC has to sit.
In closing: Sign Jeff George as our backup QB.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Notice that nobody complained about the hit to Palmer that drew a flag THAT WAS THE EXACT SAME HIT AND CALL that happened to Seymour in Houston.
The foil hat crowd, owned again.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:17 am
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 am
We dodged a bullet by Palmer not getting hurt out there yest…
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He easily could’ve blown out his knee on that first pass attempt. Did not look good the way he went down.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Hue has to go to what we do best, RUN.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
I’m not going to meet up with you Brien. I’d rather not ruin what should be a great day. You would probably shiv me in the back when I’m not looking.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
595….Easy call is your response to my question…!!!!…”The greatest trade in football”…..Pathetic response….Huellywood…Starring Hue Jackson and Mystic….At theaters near you…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
594.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:13 am
478.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Mistic,
I know you are big Hue Jackson guy.
Why do you think he traded for Carson Palmer instead of waiting out JCs injury and signing him to an extension?
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he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
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What’s the big deal? We’re 4-2 and in position to win the division and our starter gets hurt for the year. Traded for another starter. Not many options. Nothing to see here.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
At least Hue took full responsibility.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
im seeing major red flags with regards to palmer, and they are the same that I saw before he wore silver & black. mainly the lack of heart, guts and leadreship.
Hopefully he can clean up his act so we dont become the bungles west. but throwing your coach under the bus should never happen. You got paid, you suited up, then you stunk it up. Own it and move on. he sounded like jamarcuss “do you think it was all my fault?”
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Hopefully he can clean up his act so we dont become the bungles west. but throwing your coach under the bus should never happen. You got paid, you suited up, then you stunk it up. Own it and move on. he sounded like jamarcuss “do you think it was all my fault?”
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he played like him too
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
I was wrong about Newton.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Get Kyle Boller off the roster NOW! It seem like he didn’t learn anything since training camp.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
I really hate my ghetto trash neighbors.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
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Didn’t Hue and the Bengals both say they were talking before the season even started?
True that it may have never went down without Soup getting hurt, but Hue had wandering eyes for sure.
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Hue said it himself, the trade doesnt happen if jc is healthy. Feel free to speculate, as you always do, but ill take the coach at his word.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 am
CP will be alright man.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Murphy keeps taking plays off.
First the alligator arms last week, and yesterday, not bothering to reach for a pass by Palmer that lead to the last pick.
I’d can him now and use his roster spot for another LB.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Mistic, the guy was semi-retired and he did his best to fire up the team when he went in there down 21-0 and knowing a fraction of the playbook.
Russell never did that. Ever.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
# autopalm77 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
595….Easy call is your response to my question…!!!!…”The greatest trade in football”…..Pathetic response….Huellywood…Starring Hue Jackson and Mystic….At theaters near you…
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can you read? this is my answer
he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Boller was out of the league in 2009, after failing miserably in 2008.
Not sure why we brought him back from the dead.
0-11 in his last 11 starts!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
One last thing:
When we play KC later in the year, I want to see an absolute romp. And I want to see Lechler running fake punt passing plays late in the 4th quarter if we’re up by 40.
Hue needs to remember and exact a little payback against Haley for trying to punk us with that pass at the end of the game.
I generally don’t think it’s a huge deal to do such things, but the game was clearly over. KC could’ve even taken a knee at that point. That was just Haley being a prik. Can’t let that go. Can’t tolerate disrespect, especially from a lousy team like KC.
Glad Hue gave it to him a little at the end. Tells me he’ll have something special planned for Week 16.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Mistic, the guy was semi-retired and he did his best to fire up the team when he went in there down 21-0 and knowing a fraction of the playbook.
Russell never did that. Ever.
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LA carson doesnt need your excuses, he brings his own. See his comments post game.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Some hot steamy menudo will do the trick for me this morning, followed by some Michael Kush, what a day to have off.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:24 am
601.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 am
he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
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Didn’t Hue and the Bengals both say they were talking before the season even started?
True that it may have never went down without Soup getting hurt, but Hue had wandering eyes for sure.
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Haha. Reading between the lines again I see. You should head over to Lids at your local mall to be fitted for one of those “foil hats”.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Feel free to speculate, as you always do, but ill take the coach at his word.
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Me too.
He thinks Palmer is better than Campbell.
This trade wasn’t JUST for 2011. The guy is under contract until 2014, and we gave up quite a price to get him.
If he was looking for a stopgap until Soup got healthy, he could have traded for Sage Rosenfels or something.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Think about it this way…
JC goes down.
We roll with Kyle Boller for 6-10 weeks?
Sign Josh McCown off the street.
Palmer traded was a must. Mandatory.
Carson was semi retired. What’s Kyle’s excuse?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I hope palmer isnt the tin man that he appears to be at this point.
leadership is the most important part of the qb position.
give me brad johnson over jeff george any day of the week
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
605.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Notice that nobody complained about the hit to Palmer that drew a flag THAT WAS THE EXACT SAME HIT AND CALL that happened to Seymour in Houston.
The foil hat crowd, owned again.
Hey, I always say that if they call it on us, they better call it on them!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I talked about Murphys alligator arms last year nice to see some of you guys catching up…
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joetoronto Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Murphy keeps taking plays off.
First the alligator arms last week, and yesterday, not bothering to reach for a pass by Palmer that lead to the last pick.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
608.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
I’m not going to meet up with you Brien. I’d rather not ruin what should be a great day. You would probably shiv me in the back when I’m not looking.
616.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
I really hate my ghetto trash neighbors.
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Raider Ray lmao
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I know you are big Hue Jackson guy.
Why do you think he traded for Carson Palmer instead of waiting out JCs injury and signing him to an extension?
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he traded for palmer because JC got hurt. The deal never happens if Jc is healthy.
easy call
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Obviously.
But why not just wait 8 weeks for JC to get healthy? It was a collar bone, not a elbow injury.
I’m trying to understand why a trade of this magnitude was made in terms of the future of the QB position here in Oakland.
If Campbell had any shot at being the long term solution here, I find it hard to believe that a broken collar bone changes all of that.
Hue (and the Raider organiation) gave up what they expect to be 2 first round picks to upgrade (in their minds) the QB position. If you look at all the evidence, it’s just as plain as water that JC was not the QB you think he is TO HUE, who you trust a lot.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Palmer wasnt even supposed to play yesterday Hue told him that during the week. He had 2 days of limited practice. Get off his ass & get a FK’n clue!
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# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I hope palmer isnt the tin man that he appears to be at this point.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
When the Raiders play the Lions, they should take out Suh’s knees just so they can protect Palmer. Suh is dirty and will probably try and end Palmer’s season.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
624.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Mistic, the guy was semi-retired and he did his best to fire up the team when he went in there down 21-0 and knowing a fraction of the playbook.
Russell never did that. Ever.
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LA carson doesnt need your excuses, he brings his own. See his comments post game.
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Are you just a Jason fanboy or do you have a personal vendetta against Carson, or both? If you’re gonna acknowledge him making “excuses” after the game then why don’t you talk about his whole interview when he was talkin about this not being a bye week for him, and that he will absolutely be prepared come Denver?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Mistic, he said he needed more reps and to get comfortable.
What did I miss?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Feel free to speculate, as you always do, but ill take the coach at his word.
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Me too.
He thinks Palmer is better than Campbell.
This trade wasn’t JUST for 2011. The guy is under contract until 2014, and we gave up quite a price to get him.
If he was looking for a stopgap until Soup got healthy, he could have traded for Sage Rosenfels or something.
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more conspircay theory.
we needed a qb, but palmer already had a huge contract. In order to get him they had to rework his contract. hue thought we are good enough to win now, so he gambled.
I like hu jack, but he may have badly miscalculated this time. We will see.
I hope palmer can turn his career around, as of now he is all sizzle and no steak
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
palmer is a huge upgrade over jacheckdown…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
So you are advocating dirty play just in case the opponent has “dirty play” in mind?
Roger that libtard…
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# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
When the Raiders play the Lions, they should take out Suh’s knees just so they can protect Palmer. Suh is dirty and will probably try and end Palmer’s season.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 am
608.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
I’m not going to meet up with you Brien. I’d rather not ruin what should be a great day. You would probably shiv me in the back when I’m not looking.
616.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 am
I really hate my ghetto trash neighbors.
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Raider Ray lmao
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I don’t care if it sounds racist. I hate poor white people, too. My neighbors have little children and are constantly yelling obscenities at them while blasting their hippity hop music. I’m pretty sure they are pot heads too.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Reading between the lines again I see
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Actually I was just reading Coach Jackson’s and Mike Brown’s quotes.
Nothing more, nothing less.
They discussed acquiring Palmer, prior to Soup getting hurt.
Whether they would have done the deal without Campbell getting hurt, is something only Hue and the Bengals know. I would guess they wouldn’t have.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 am
So you are advocating dirty play just in case the opponent has “dirty play” in mind?
Roger that libtard…
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# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
When the Raiders play the Lions, they should take out Suh’s knees just so they can protect Palmer. Suh is dirty and will probably try and end Palmer’s season.
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Yes, it is called a preemptive strike.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Holy crap Mistic, “all sizzle and no steak” really? You sure you talkin about Carson, or Campbell? JC is a great guy, but an average qb at best. What are you missing?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Turn his career around?
When has JC or Boller ever put up number like Palmer?
Please.
Try to be objective.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Everyone is so quick to jump on Palmer and Jackson… But give it time…
The biggest problem yesterday was, WHY DIDNT THEY RUN THE DAMN BALL??????????
Why throw it so much when your run game is your bread & butter, Boller sucks & Palmer had a couple of days practice?
Unbelievable….
October 24th, 2011 at 9:32 am
MistaBrown, I’m thinking about going conservative. I still believe in universal healthcare, though.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Jackson gets 99% of the blame as the playcaller.
D played well. Bush was running well.
Boller throwing bombs?
WTF?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am
# Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 am
624.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Mistic, the guy was semi-retired and he did his best to fire up the team when he went in there down 21-0 and knowing a fraction of the playbook.
Russell never did that. Ever.
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LA carson doesnt need your excuses, he brings his own. See his comments post game.
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Are you just a Jason fanboy or do you have a personal vendetta against Carson, or both? If you’re gonna acknowledge him making “excuses” after the game then why don’t you talk about his whole interview when he was talkin about this not being a bye week for him, and that he will absolutely be prepared come Denver?
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My post has nothing to do with JC. I pointed out palmers severe lack of leadership ability and his propensity for throwing back breaking picks before the trade. i also had issue with him quitting when he couldnt win in cincy.
Yesterday seemed to be the continuation of a pattern. bone headed picks, and then finger pointing and blame.
I hope he can become a different guy, he has a ton of work to do.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Going for it on 4th and goal shows zero faith in Boller.
Well, so does trading for Palmer, really. LOL.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am
# Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Holy crap Mistic, “all sizzle and no steak” really? You sure you talkin about Carson, or Campbell? JC is a great guy, but an average qb at best. What are you missing?
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not sure what JC has to do with my post I was discussing palmer. try to keep up
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Palmer traded was a must. Mandatory.
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Disagree.
If JC was the QB we wanted him to be, we would have sucked it up and dealt with what ever our record was and waited for JC to get back. Even if that meant waiting for next year and getting a higher #1 draft pick.
But as JFB points out, we made a deal to get a new QB for the next 5 years or so, not just some stopgap.
This was a MAJOR trade mayne.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Absolutely, play calling was the single biggest problem yesterday.
And then there’s Kyle.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Palmer: “it’s not a bye week for me, that’s for sure.”
October 24th, 2011 at 9:35 am
That crazy play at the goal line, with Bush at QB, pissed me right the f*ck off.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic’s love for Campbell has really impaired his ability to think rationally.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
J,
Hue saw the opportunity to get a franchise guy.
I agree it was a major trade.
But who says JC would have even be able to come back this year?
6 weeks according to him.
6 weeks in athlete speak is 10-12.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
AGAIN! Run the damn ball and none of this crap would have happen.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Turn his career around?
When has JC or Boller ever put up number like Palmer?
Please.
Try to be objective.
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Its not about numbers for me, its about winning and leadership. 18 plus picks three times in his career. 5 of his 20 picks were returned for touchdowns last year! not even gradkowski was that bad.
Palmer tanked in cincy even though he was surrounded by talent on offense, then he quit. This is a red flag for me. yes turn his career around, as of now he is jeff george. pretty yardage totals, touchdown passes, but too many picks and couldnt lead a dog to the butcher shop.
In fact I think the hype that came in with palmer is where objectivity is missing. lets hope he can be better than that
October 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
But who says JC would have even be able to come back this year?
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He may not have come back this year.
If the org had faith in JC, the org would not have traded for a QB to take his place.
Compare it to Romo, if you will.
Same injury, out for the year, he was the guy the following year. JC won’t be.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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I think he’s a big fan of JC and recognized the good things he did for us.
That being said, he went down, probably for the season right before trade deadline.
Palmer will ball.
Not crazy about him quitting on Cincy but I don’t claim to know what happened there.
Palmer does not come off like a prima donna (sp?) or a selfish guy. I think the opposite. Seems like a guy who wants to win and expects it. And I think he’ll do that here.
1 game, off the bench (off the couch, really) will not define his Raider career.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:39 am
Palmer watched teammate after teammate get arrested, can’t blame him for wanting to leave.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:40 am
I’ll bet in today’s presser Hue says “obviously” 27 times, and threatens at least one reporter.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:40 am
J,
Dallas had Kitna when Romo went down. It was clear as soon as JC went down (with the playcalling, then Hues comments re: Boller) there was ZERO faith in the #2 guy.
Which is odd considering the playcalling early ni the game yesterday.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:40 am
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic’s love for Campbell has really impaired his ability to think rationally.
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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I thought i was discussing palmer. My opinion on palmer has nothing to do with Jc. Jc is hurt and isnt part of the eqaution
October 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Oh yeah, that’s right. To think there were some Raider “fans” that enjoyed that mauling yesterday because they didn’t want Palmer…like Mistic. It’s a great morning for him.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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AB are u a dum phaggot kunt ? YES ?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Mistic, it’s obvious your Campbell bias is making you say negative things about Palmer. It’s like your girlfriend dumped you and started dating a great guy, but you hate everything about him.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
# Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Oh yeah, that’s right. To think there were some Raider “fans” that enjoyed that mauling yesterday because they didn’t want Palmer…like Mistic. It’s a great morning for him.
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sullied underwear why are you lying on me. there is nothing worse than watching my team get punked like yesterday. I want palmer to succeed, if he doesnt we are toast for years to come.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning
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You’re right. And Carson has been a far more winning quarterback compared to Campbell. With your logic we should be just fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Sullivan44 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Oh yeah, that’s right. To think there were some Raider “fans” that enjoyed that mauling yesterday because they didn’t want Palmer…like Mistic. It’s a great morning for him.
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As opposed to some Raider “fans” that enjoy every loss the Raiders suffer?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:45 am
Good morning to you as well, LA to the Bay.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Jesus Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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AB are u a dum phaggot kunt ? YES ?
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No, but I know you are nothing but a crazy J*w cult leader who convinced a bunch of other crazy J*ws you were the son of God and to follow you into the desert and let you have gay sex with them.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am
All this self flagulating, I thought I’m in the Philipines at Christmas. We got our asses kicked, we need to take it for what it is worth. NOTHING! If we get healthy, payback is a b*tch. The Chiefs had revenge in their minds after last year and hit us when we were not at full strength.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:47 am
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Mistic, it’s obvious your Campbell bias is making you say negative things about Palmer. It’s like your girlfriend dumped you and started dating a great guy, but you hate everything about him.
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Campbell has nothing to do with this.
Palmer comes with baggage and it was on display in the worst half of football i have seen by a qb.
Just being honest. it isnt my fault that 99% of the blog think palmer walks on water.
he has a ton of work to do, in order to change my mind. It isnt impossible though, the guy has talent.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:48 am
652.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Palmer traded was a must. Mandatory.
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Disagree.
If JC was the QB we wanted him to be, we would have sucked it up and dealt with what ever our record was and waited for JC to get back. Even if that meant waiting for next year and getting a higher #1 draft pick.
But as JFB points out, we made a deal to get a new QB for the next 5 years or so, not just some stopgap.
This was a MAJOR trade mayne.
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How were we supposed to just “suck it up”? Coaches are trying to win now. Losing your starting QB is no excuse. Indy’s coach is probably on his way out. A move had to be made. And based on Palmer’s last two years and his play yesterday, I wouldn’t be too sure JC isn’t back next year.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
622….Your response is relating to an injury…So for a 3rd time your co star said….”Greatest trade in football”…Don’t bother to respond because there isn’t a response that you can make…Your co star made the trade and the comment…Huellywood…Starring Hue Jackson and Mystic….At theaters near you…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
And based on Palmer’s last two years and his play yesterday, I wouldn’t be too sure JC isn’t back next year.
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JC may be our backup next year. Palmer is our starter for the next 4 or 5 years.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:50 am
he has a ton of work to do, in order to change my mind. It isnt impossible though, the guy has talent.
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Absolutely true.
But it’s not like the guy was here all camp and the first 6 weeks of the season.
He was throwing to slow, out-of-the-league guys and high school kids.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
You know what? Wether you like him or not, it was clear yesterday that Palmer was the QB moving forward until JC comes back…which I doubt he will, but I’m no doctor either! Yes, I know Palmer throws picks too and he has been but we have to get behind him as QB for the S&B! The only thing that really upsets me is when the final cuts went down and we only had 2 quarter backs and Boller was #2! I said it then, that if JC went down, we’re in trouble! We made that huge trade for Palmer and to back him up, i will do!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
# Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning
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You’re right. And Carson has been a far more winning quarterback compared to Campbell. With your logic we should be just fine.
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again what does Jc have to with my opinion on palmer? Nothing.
however now that you bring it up. palmer had better stats, but he should. he played in the same offense for years, and had a ton of weapons. JC played in different offenses year after year, and no weapons. unless you think moss, and cooly are on par with housh, ocho and t.o.
Palmer in a bad lockeroom flamed in epic fashion then quit.
Jc inherited an absolut mess of a lockeroom and whipped them into shape.
You can take stats, ill take leadership.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
678.autopalm77 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
622….Your response is relating to an injury…So for a 3rd time your co star said….”Greatest trade in football”…Don’t bother to respond because there isn’t a response that you can make…Your co star made the trade and the comment…Huellywood…Starring Hue Jackson and Mystic….At theaters near you…
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What the hell does this even mean, “Huellywood”?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:52 am
KC taunting us every chance they got, picking us off 6 times.
Caught us at our weakest and Hue did nothing to compensate for having a backup QB (like he did last week). Haley trying to score a TD??
We’ll get the last laugh.
D was on point and offense can only get better and hopefully DMC just getting rest and will have an extra week to heal.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Jesus Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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AB are u a dum phaggot kunt ? YES ?
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No, but I know you are nothing but a crazy J*w cult leader who convinced a bunch of other crazy J*ws you were the son of God and to follow you into the desert and let you have gay sex with them
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Hate J3ws huh … LOL
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
682.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
# Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning
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You’re right. And Carson has been a far more winning quarterback compared to Campbell. With your logic we should be just fine.
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again what does Jc have to with my opinion on palmer? Nothing.
however now that you bring it up. palmer had better stats, but he should. he played in the same offense for years, and had a ton of weapons. JC played in different offenses year after year, and no weapons. unless you think moss, and cooly are on par with housh, ocho and t.o.
Palmer in a bad lockeroom flamed in epic fashion then quit.
Jc inherited an absolut mess of a lockeroom and whipped them into shape.
You can take stats, ill take leadership.
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Im not talking about Campbell, Im taking about the Raiders, and so are you. Carson’s the qb now, and I’m saying we’re better with him than we were with Campbell. Period.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Palmer throws picks because he takes chances and pushes the ball downfield.
Even playing with that aggressive style, he still throws more TDs than picks.
More than can be said for our previous starter.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:54 am
# autopalm77 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:49 am
622….Your response is relating to an injury…So for a 3rd time your co star said….”Greatest trade in football”…Don’t bother to respond because there isn’t a response that you can make…Your co star made the trade and the comment…Huellywood…Starring Hue Jackson and Mystic….At theaters near you…
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That quote doesnt change the fact that the trade happened because of an injury
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning and leadership. 18 plus picks three times in his career. 5 of his 20 picks were returned for touchdowns last year!
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LOL….it’s not about numbers……buuuut here is some numbers.
Too funny.
It is all about winning.
Palmer has taken his team to the playoffs twice, Soup ZERO.
In fact, Soup has never taken his team to more than 8 wins, when Palmer has done that 3 times.
You are 100% right. It is about winning, and that’s why Hue made the trade.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Jesus Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Jesus Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Mistic, are you Jason Campbell?
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AB are u a dum phaggot kunt ? YES ?
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No, but I know you are nothing but a crazy J*w cult leader who convinced a bunch of other crazy J*ws you were the son of God and to follow you into the desert and let you have gay sex with them
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Hate J3ws huh … LOL
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No, I’m cool with J*ws. I hate Christians.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
so hue has huge ba!!s when we win and now this is on Hue. He trusts his players and the opposing team expects run run run so you pass it and our qbs should be able to make the throw (which they weren’t) and the wr’s should make the catch (which they didn’t). what should he not have thrown pryor in? he’s getting paid why shouldn’t we use his talents? should he have settled for a fg instead of going for it on 4th near the goal line? should he not have thrown our backup qb when down 21 -0 to a division rival game that would have left us in first place had we won? what did the announcers not like Hues playcalling so you followers agree with them? this game is on Kyle Boller for throwing 3 picks and leaving us in a huge hole and the receivers for not picking up the slack period. they gave the qbs plenty of time and bush still went for 99 with taiwan adding some as well. the chiefs get paid too.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
608.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 am
I’m not going to meet up with you Brien. I’d rather not ruin what should be a great day. You would probably shiv me in the back when I’m not looking.
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LOL MR afraid
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hue Jack < Tom Cable
JaCarsen Palmer < JC
October 24th, 2011 at 9:56 am
687.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Palmer throws picks because he takes chances and pushes the ball downfield.
Even playing with that aggressive style, he still throws more TDs than picks.
More than can be said for our previous starter.
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You do realize INTs cost your team way more than checkdowns
October 24th, 2011 at 9:57 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Palmer throws picks because he takes chances and pushes the ball downfield.
Even playing with that aggressive style, he still throws more TDs than picks.
More than can be said for our previous starter.
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you like that style? throwing picks is a sure way to lose. he needs to protect the ball, be smart and ditch the front running finger pointing. We have a soled run game and a fast improving defense. Just get the ball to the play makers, manage the game and dont louse it up.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:57 am
649…Do I get any residual royalties for you writing my thoughts…Just send a check or money order….:)
October 24th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Mistic, we all know your agenda. Do you think you’re fooling anyone?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:58 am
JaCarson? Really? I hope we’re not comparing Palmer to Russell!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:58 am
A move had to be made.
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I agree a move had to be made since we only had 2 QBs on the roster and 1 of them was a rookie with no practice time.
Boller played 1 game for us this year, and we won that game. To decide after a win that we needed to make a trade for a new number one n ot only for the remainder of this year, but for the next 3 years says A LOT.
They could have traded for VY, Gradkowski, Flynn, or any other stop gap QB to hold the line until JC got back.
Pretty obvious to me that just wanted a better option than JC running the show.
I, like you, hope they are right.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning and leadership. 18 plus picks three times in his career. 5 of his 20 picks were returned for touchdowns last year!
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LOL….it’s not about numbers……buuuut here is some numbers.
Too funny.
It is all about winning.
Palmer has taken his team to the playoffs twice, Soup ZERO.
In fact, Soup has never taken his team to more than 8 wins, when Palmer has done that 3 times.
You are 100% right. It is about winning, and that’s why Hue made the trade.
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You are taking two seperate points that i made and trying to make them into something different.
what a joke
October 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
686.Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 am
682.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:51 am
# Raider 510 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning
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You’re right. And Carson has been a far more winning quarterback compared to Campbell. With your logic we should be just fine.
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again what does Jc have to with my opinion on palmer? Nothing.
however now that you bring it up. palmer had better stats, but he should. he played in the same offense for years, and had a ton of weapons. JC played in different offenses year after year, and no weapons. unless you think moss, and cooly are on par with housh, ocho and t.o.
Palmer in a bad lockeroom flamed in epic fashion then quit.
Jc inherited an absolut mess of a lockeroom and whipped them into shape.
You can take stats, ill take leadership.
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Im not talking about Campbell, Im taking about the Raiders, and so are you. Carson’s the qb now, and I’m saying we’re better with him than we were with Campbell. Period.
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Remains to be seen, palmer aint been good in years
October 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
You guys are arguing campbell palmer? Campbells hurt Palmers our qb i’m a Raider fan so I’m rooting for palmer to do well sounds like some of you are rooting for him to fail so you can say I told you Campbell was better
October 24th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Pro coaches are idiots. When it’s fourth and one at the one, you can’t just bring in extra blockers and run up the middle. It’s better to spread the other team out, and then run up the middle. That’s what smart coaches do.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
palmer and jc are on same level as of now
October 24th, 2011 at 10:01 am
689.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Its not about numbers for me, its about winning and leadership. 18 plus picks three times in his career. 5 of his 20 picks were returned for touchdowns last year!
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LOL….it’s not about numbers……buuuut here is some numbers.
Too funny.
It is all about winning.
Palmer has taken his team to the playoffs twice, Soup ZERO.
In fact, Soup has never taken his team to more than 8 wins, when Palmer has done that 3 times.
You are 100% right. It is about winning, and that’s why Hue made the trade.
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The playoffs twice in 8 years?? Nothing to write home about. Ken Anderson and Boomer Esiason both took the “Bungles” to the Super Bowl. Overall, I’d have to say Palmer’s career has been a major disappointment.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Palmer has done nothing in his career just like JC up to this point
October 24th, 2011 at 10:02 am
704.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:00 am
palmer and jc are on same level as of now
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Certainly hope so. If that’s true, the trade was worth it. Have my doubts after yesterday though.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Palmer and JC= neither won a playoff game nor won a title….so this BS from Vegas Raider is becuz he hates JC…you can only hide yourself for so long
October 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Finger pointing? When?
Guy said he needed to go to work.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:03 am
and MistaBrown is correct…murphy has been sucking all along
October 24th, 2011 at 10:04 am
3rd and 4th and 2’s or less are being converted at a higher rate throwing the ball than passing the ball these days.
It is only around 50% when running the ball.
Defenses have found a way to plug that up.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
no sense in bashing palmer…he is what he is….big arm qb with no alot of mobility and throws some INTs cuz he a risk taker….now just go back to work and get a W vs Denver
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Lets make one point clear , nobody is going to judge Palmer until he plays atleast a few games with us , past is past . he’s with a new talent , you could say bengals were talented and all that sh!t with their wide receivers but they were also cancer to not just Palmer but the whole team, theirs reason nobody wanted OCHO CINCO besides the cheatriots, and they never had good Running game and they never had Good online and they never had good D and we are more improved in alot of those areas than palmer ever had so just wait and see what he does when he actually is ready to take over the team and start the games …
October 24th, 2011 at 10:06 am
711.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:04 am
3rd and 4th and 2’s or less are being converted at a higher rate throwing the ball than passing the ball these days.
It is only around 50% when running the ball.
Defenses have found a way to plug that up.
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that schit dont matter….how bout gettin it done? excuses are lame
October 24th, 2011 at 10:06 am
689….You fail to see the point…Huellywood obviously believed he made the correct decision and yet you make give rational explanation for him making it…He must have read the wrong lines in the script…Who is the female protagonist starring with the two of you…Maybe those were her lines….Huellywood….Starring Hue Jackson, Mystic and Star Jones….
October 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
My point was not ‘checkdowns are bad.’
My point is that Palmer throws more TDs with a more aggressive style and managed to put up way more yards in the process.
JC and Boller have NEVER had that kind of production and likely never will.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
I think it takes a really smart qb to understand what we’re doing in this system and i think carson is really smart and he will pick it up and do things that Campbell and Boller can’t do combined
October 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Worst Raider game I have seen since the Hot Dog eating incident…
WTF is up with the Playcalls, is “Flea Flicker” part of our Base Offense?
WTF is up with Bush Hitting the hole at Walkthrough speed?
WTF is up with not using Taiwan Jones more? (In order to spell Bush and change the pace a bit)
WTF is up with Denarius Moore’s punt return skills or lack thereof? (run sideways at half speed much, the “Roster Spot Killer” could do that crap)
WTF is up with our WR’s dropping everything in sight? (we could have come back in this game had they just continued to grind it out and actually make a few plays)
WTF is up with the rolling over and taking a nap by our Offense?
WTF is up with Murphy looking totally lost? (Nice job calling for pass interference in the middle of the play instead of laying out for the ball you may have been able to catch)
WTF is up with the Jacoby Ford disappearing act?
WTF is up with our Defense not being able to tackle anyone? (how many times did a KC player catch the ball behind the 1st down marker, only to break 5 tackles and make the first down)
Horrible, Horrible Effort all the way around, but the old adage is true..your never as good as you look when you win, but you are never as bad as you look when you lose either..These guys better re-charge their batteries, and get ready to finish out this season strong..
Did I mention our Playcalling was as ridiculous as some of the Hairy High School crap we used to run when I was 14? Just play smashmouth football Hue, stop trying to re-invent the worlds most clever play..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
that schit dont matter….how bout gettin it done?
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Part of “getting it done” is understanding the best way to get it done.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
716.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
My point was not ‘checkdowns are bad.’
My point is that Palmer throws more TDs with a more aggressive style and managed to put up way more yards in the process.
JC and Boller have NEVER had that kind of production and likely never will.
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JC was fine as your QB….11-7 and team continuity which dont show up in stats…Palmer is our QB now but im not big on him cuz i know his flaws…he sucked at USC until his last year and had two real good years in cincy and thats it. He can ressurect his career here no doubt but many on here hearlded him as an elite qb which was sad
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Lets make one point clear , nobody is going to judge Palmer until he plays atleast a few games with us , past is past . he’s with a new talent , you could say bengals were talented and all that sh!t with their wide receivers but they were also cancer to not just Palmer but the whole team, theirs reason nobody wanted OCHO CINCO besides the cheatriots, and they never had good Running game and they never had Good online and they never had good D and we are more improved in alot of those areas than palmer ever had so just wait and see what he does when he actually is ready to take over the team and start the games
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Dude, have you ever heard of guys like Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson? Hell, there’s no way that team make the playoffs in 2009 without Cedric Benson. The Bengals have been loaded on offense.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Seems that Hue’s gameplan was a HUGE load of DMac…once he went down we subbed Bush, which seems to mostly go between tackles, and Taiwan was in for a few sweep plays to the edge, 1 for a 1st down and then a 2nd for a loss of 4 yds, and then that was it…
Boller wasn’t beating anyone with his arm, period.
We need DMac back more than anyhting…
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Don’t understand the revisionist history when it comes to Palmer.
As if he’s some sort of INT machine.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
yes hue jackson did call some stupid plays but its not his fault that players cant make plays, i saw lot of times we were in their side of 50 yard line only to come away with Nothing , that means we did had good drives and qb’s decided to mess up and throw ints or receivers decided not to catch ..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
After about two INCREDIBLY heady weeks, WELCOME BACK DOWN TO EARTH Raiders.
This smack in the face loss might be good for the team and the coach. Hopefully he can stop the cute coaching and get back to the grind of getting this team ready to play.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
719.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
that schit dont matter….how bout gettin it done?
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Part of “getting it done” is understanding the best way to get it done.
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Excuses is what you are are using….late in year and playoffs you must beat the odds….you fail to see this
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Palmer’s going to be able to do things JC couldn’t. I think a few more games will prove this to be correct.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
723.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Don’t understand the revisionist history when it comes to Palmer.
As if he’s some sort of INT machine.
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154 TDs to 100 INT…..thats not good at all…elite qbs have a 2:1 ratio at least….he hasnt and never will
October 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Mistic,
I’m a proud mexican american so when a mexican or mex american boxer fights I’m rooting for him regardless of opponent. We know you’re a supporter of black qb’s nothing wrong with that but you wouldn’t root for say Carolina to beat the Raiders if Carsons the qb right? Or you wouldn’t take some pleasure if Carson doesn’t play as well as JC did would you?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
727.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Palmer’s going to be able to do things JC couldn’t. I think a few more games will prove this to be correct.
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we’ll see mayne….i never liked palmer to be honest
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am
This is silly.
I root for whoever our QB is, I couldn’t care less what color he is.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am
729.inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Mistic,
I’m a proud mexican american so when a mexican or mex american boxer fights I’m rooting for him regardless of opponent. We know you’re a supporter of black qb’s nothing wrong with that but you wouldn’t root for say Carolina to beat the Raiders if Carsons the qb right? Or you wouldn’t take some pleasure if Carson doesn’t play as well as JC did would you?
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This post is exactly why America is almost outta here
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Lets make one point clear , nobody is going to judge Palmer until he plays atleast a few games with us , past is past . he’s with a new talent , you could say bengals were talented and all that sh!t with their wide receivers but they were also cancer to not just Palmer but the whole team, theirs reason nobody wanted OCHO CINCO besides the cheatriots, and they never had good Running game and they never had Good online and they never had good D and we are more improved in alot of those areas than palmer ever had so just wait and see what he does when he actually is ready to take over the team and start the games
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Dude, have you ever heard of guys like Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson? Hell, there’s no way that team make the playoffs in 2009 without Cedric Benson. The Bengals have been loaded on offense.
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yes i have heard of them but no body in their right mind would compare those RB’s to mcfadden and our O rushing attack has been top 5 for almost 4 years now, bengals never had top 10 rushing teams , so he will just benefit from that
October 24th, 2011 at 10:14 am
If we traded for Manning, one bad game from him would have some blog losers calling him JaManning.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:15 am
MEMO TO COACH HUE JACKSON
Jacoby Ford is NOT yet ready to be a 3rd down possession receiver. Please see the last 3 games, previous comments, dropped passes and false starts. HAGAN is better on third downs for possession plays that are NOT screens or reverses.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:15 am
735.raidertalk Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:15 am
MEMO TO COACH HUE JACKSON
Jacoby Ford is NOT yet ready to be a 3rd down possession receiver. Please see the last 3 games, previous comments, dropped passes and false starts. HAGAN is better on third downs for possession plays that are NOT screens or reverses.
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Agreed but Hagan sure dropped one that may have been a first down…but Hagan needs to be on the field for sure
October 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
JC was fine as your QB….11-7 and team continuity which dont show up in stats…Palmer is our QB now but im not big on him cuz i know his flaws…he sucked at USC until his last year and had two real good years in cincy and thats it. He can ressurect his career here no doubt but many on here hearlded him as an elite qb which was sad
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this is exactly my point! only Jc actually was 12-7 as starter here. we were up on the browns win he left
October 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Sign T.O.!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:14 am
If we traded for Manning, one bad game from him would have some blog losers calling him JaManning.
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I doubt it.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
JC was adequate.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
723.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Don’t understand the revisionist history when it comes to Palmer.
As if he’s some sort of INT machine.
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154 TDs to 100 INT…..thats not good at all…elite qbs have a 2:1 ratio at least….he hasnt and never will
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Your missing the point, forget about past stats , remember what Hue told Aaron Curry when he got here, he said don’t worry about past and just do your job, and look he’s all over the running plays and even forced that fumble around goal line.
Another point your missing is Palmer gives us way better chance of making the playoffs this year than boller ever will
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Carson gets no excuses for what happened in cincy…he didnt get it done….he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
October 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Carson gets no excuses for what happened in cincy…he didnt get it done….he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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I’ll just take Ws, thanks.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Mistic, Palmer is going to be good for us, get over it.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
This post is exactly why America is almost outta here
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it’s a serious his question I think he’d root for the Raiders in either situation but i’m wondering, don’t think there’s anything wrong with being proud of your heritage…
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
This post is exactly why America is almost outta here
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What does this even mean?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:16 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
JC was fine as your QB….11-7 and team continuity which dont show up in stats…Palmer is our QB now but im not big on him cuz i know his flaws…he sucked at USC until his last year and had two real good years in cincy and thats it. He can ressurect his career here no doubt but many on here hearlded him as an elite qb which was sad
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this is exactly my point! only Jc actually was 12-7 as starter here. we were up on the browns win he left
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Yes he was fine as a Qb but he’s not going to lead the team to the playoffs while injured..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
741.mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
723.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Don’t understand the revisionist history when it comes to Palmer.
As if he’s some sort of INT machine.
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154 TDs to 100 INT…..thats not good at all…elite qbs have a 2:1 ratio at least….he hasnt and never will
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Your missing the point, forget about past stats , remember what Hue told Aaron Curry when he got here, he said don’t worry about past and just do your job, and look he’s all over the running plays and even forced that fumble around goal line.
Another point your missing is Palmer gives us way better chance of making the playoffs this year than boller ever will
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I’m not missing one fking thing….YOU ARE FKIN missing it! Palmer going back to HIGH SCHOOL would turn it over….a leopard dont change its spot
Wow Palmer gives us a better chance at playoffs than Boller? Who knew that one genius?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
# inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Mistic,
I’m a proud mexican american so when a mexican or mex american boxer fights I’m rooting for him regardless of opponent. We know you’re a supporter of black qb’s nothing wrong with that but you wouldn’t root for say Carolina to beat the Raiders if Carsons the qb right? Or you wouldn’t take some pleasure if Carson doesn’t play as well as JC did would you?
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what kind of a question is that. I do remember YOU telling me that Jc was garbage. You have changed your tune since that time, and rightfully so.
i want my team to win, no matter the skin color of the qb.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
JC was fine as your QB….11-7 and team continuity which dont show up in stats…
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Yes, he was.
And we would have been “fine” with JC for the rest of his time here and probably would have continued on that same win loss pace, provided DMac stayed healthy. Would have had a real shot a winning the division, and maybe a playoff game at home.
With that said, Al Davis and Hue Jackson felt this team could be even BETTER with improved QB play. I really can’t be mad at the organization for trying to do what they think it takes to make the team better.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I have questions about Palmer for sure. But the bigger issue might be our receivers. If/When he gets up to speed, are our receivers good enough that he’ll be able to show his talent? This has been a trouble position group on this team for four years now.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am
LA to BAY…i know you work hard so your brain cells must be worked a bit….did you not see the post by Inoneword? Regardless of who is fighting he is for the MEXICAN…..that is why America is outta here soon…its that attitude that shows we are still divided
October 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am
745.inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
This post is exactly why America is almost outta here
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it’s a serious his question I think he’d root for the Raiders in either situation but i’m wondering, don’t think there’s anything wrong with being proud of your heritage…
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Whatever La Raza….go to Mecha and start more trouble
October 24th, 2011 at 10:21 am
MEMO TO FELLOW RAIDER NATIONERS
Please reserve judgment on Plamer until after the by-week. I seriously doubt Joe Friggin Montana could have led us back from this game down 21-0 with Mcfadden out and the defense comfortably playing the pass, AND LESS THAN A WEEK WITH THE TEAM, and being out of football this season.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I thought JC sucked early last year then I saw him continue to progress and the majority for us were happy to see it. We gave JC plenty of time, we should do the same for Palmer and I think he’s the best guy that was available
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Mistic, Palmer is going to be good for us, get over it.
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i hope so, its gonna suck for us if he doesnt. We are stuck with him
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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So your finally coming around to my 2-1 TD/turnover ratio (I include lost fumbles)??
When I posted the same exact post for Campbell, you chose to argue with me.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:19 am
741.mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 am
# Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:11 am
723.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Don’t understand the revisionist history when it comes to Palmer.
As if he’s some sort of INT machine.
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154 TDs to 100 INT…..thats not good at all…elite qbs have a 2:1 ratio at least….he hasnt and never will
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Your missing the point, forget about past stats , remember what Hue told Aaron Curry when he got here, he said don’t worry about past and just do your job, and look he’s all over the running plays and even forced that fumble around goal line.
Another point your missing is Palmer gives us way better chance of making the playoffs this year than boller ever will
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I’m not missing one fking thing….YOU ARE FKIN missing it! Palmer going back to HIGH SCHOOL would turn it over….a leopard dont change its spot
Wow Palmer gives us a better chance at playoffs than Boller? Who knew that one genius?
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There you go, you answered it your self , he gives us better chance to go to the playoffs
October 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
# inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I thought JC sucked early last year then I saw him continue to progress and the majority for us were happy to see it. We gave JC plenty of time, we should do the same for Palmer and I think he’s the best guy that was available
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Thats fair, and i agree he was the best available. i dont think we should have gone this route though
October 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Video Football players, think everything is interchangeable.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Whatever La Raza….go to Mecha and start more trouble
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wow that’s pretty ignorant
October 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Would you guys rather have Carson Palmer starting for this team or Kyle Boller?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
757.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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So your finally coming around to my 2-1 TD/turnover ratio (I include lost fumbles)??
When I posted the same exact post for Campbell, you chose to argue with me.
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I argued with you becuz you said that lispin phaggot Grad was better….I always maintained that JC needed to turn it up more. But the point on that 2:1 ratio thing was that is what ELITE qbs do…and dumbasses on here said Palmer was elite…and thats not true…never has been one
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
# inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I thought JC sucked early last year then I saw him continue to progress and the majority for us were happy to see it. We gave JC plenty of time, we should do the same for Palmer and I think he’s the best guy that was available
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Thats fair, and i agree he was the best available. i dont think we should have gone this route though
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what route do you suggest , we should have gone?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
752.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:20 am
LA to BAY…i know you work hard so your brain cells must be worked a bit….did you not see the post by Inoneword? Regardless of who is fighting he is for the MEXICAN…..that is why America is outta here soon…its that attitude that shows we are still divided
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On the other hand if sports were so saturated with Mexican atheletes we would probably not be as eager to pick only the Mexican athelete
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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Why does Palmer have to be elite?
I’d settle for the exact same thing Campbell was doing, but just adding the connection on the deep ball.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
KoolKell,
Do you remember arguing with me this preseason about the need for a better #2??
Apparently, you came around per your comments last night.
Boller sucks, always has sucked, and not sure why people ever thought he was a viable #2.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Embarassing. Point Blank, and all the trick plays are getting reallllllllllllly annoying. Boller can’t even throw a slant and you run a flea-flicker twice?! Goaline direct-snap to Bush?
Besides the point. Palmer looked like garabage. The best trade in football just looked stupid. Boller should have been left in the whole game.
the ONLY positive is that SD lost and we have a bye.
Depressing.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Where did this 2:1 ratio crap come from?
Dan Marino: 420 TD 252 INT (NOT 2:1)
Ken Stabler 194 TD 222 INT (NOT at all 2:1)
Terry Bradshaw 212 TD 210 INT (NOT 2:1)
Ben Roethlisberger 156 TD 92 INT (NOT 2:1)
Troy Aikman 165 TD 141 INT (NOT 2:1)
Petyon Manning 399 TD 198 INT(YES 2:1)
Carson Palmer 154 TD 103 INT (Better ratio than Stabler, Bradshaw, and Aikman)
I think I made my point. Take your 2:1 TD/INT ration garbage and shove it.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
761.inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Whatever La Raza….go to Mecha and start more trouble
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wow that’s pretty ignorant
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Is that so? You are the one who said you root for a mexican to win the fight no matter who he is against….I’m ignorant?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Why does Palmer have to be elite?
I’d settle for the exact same thing Campbell was doing, but just adding the connection on the deep ball.
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Bingo!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
I can say this with pure honesty. Bruce Gradkowski would have been a great #2 for us.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am
How in the hell is Jeff Triplette still in the league? wasn’t he diagnosed with some sort of a mental handicap? man, Triplette is a POS.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Brien, your Aryan tea party minutemen brethren are far more ignorant, and doing far more to divide the country, than La Raza and Mecha.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am
# J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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Why does Palmer have to be elite?
I’d settle for the exact same thing Campbell was doing, but just adding the connection on the deep ball.
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Exactly, imo he may not turn out to be pro bowler but he will b better than campbell for sure
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am
What up Nation!
I agree that Hue phuk’d this one up. I’m thinking he has too much on his plate right now, and is acting overconfident.
The team is actually pretty close. O-line looked good, Run Def. looked good, CBs played decent. ‘Teams didn’t hurt us.
The only problem with this team right now is that the HC, the QB, and the WRs are all on different pages.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Jim Plunkett (with Raiders) 80 TD 81 INT 2 Super Bowls
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
the bigger issue might be our receivers. If/When he gets up to speed, are our receivers good enough that he’ll be able to show his talent? This has been a trouble position group on this team for four years now.
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The drops yesterday were surprising.
Staring with Ford’s drop on that slant pass. Think it was Palmer’s second pass.
D Moore’s drop, Murphy’s drop.
Pathetic.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
When JC sucked against the Pats did we all call for his head or did we all say he is our guy and he needs to improve?
Same with Palmer he got thrown into a shltty situation and did not help us and we lost.
No reason to say the sky is falling.
The guy had 3 days of practice….come on!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
did you not see the post by Inoneword? Regardless of who is fighting he is for the MEXICAN
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I can see how you might see this as division but if you rooted for say mayweather against ortiz I’d understand and wouldn’t think there is anything wrong with that. I just wanna see some mexicans succeed at things. It doesn’t mean I got love for my black brothers
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
769.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Where did this 2:1 ratio crap come from?
Dan Marino: 420 TD 252 INT (NOT 2:1)
Ken Stabler 194 TD 222 INT (NOT at all 2:1)
Terry Bradshaw 212 TD 210 INT (NOT 2:1)
Ben Roethlisberger 156 TD 92 INT (NOT 2:1)
Troy Aikman 165 TD 141 INT (NOT 2:1)
Petyon Manning 399 TD 198 INT(YES 2:1)
Carson Palmer 154 TD 103 INT (Better ratio than Stabler, Bradshaw, and Aikman)
I think I made my point. Take your 2:1 TD/INT ration garbage and shove it.
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And name one stark difference with those QBs you named lol
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
The Raiders should have had a competent backup QB on the roster all along.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
I argued with you becuz you said that lispin phaggot Grad was better
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Now your just BS’ing.
Once Bruce got hurt against Miami and was IR’d, I posted at least 100 times that he should not be offered a contract back.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Good observation, Ted.
If the Raiders had won yesterday, Jackson’s head wouldn’t have fit through the doorway.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
J Hill, you are a fool. I think you are just pulling that 2:1 ratio out of your ass.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
# raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Embarassing. Point Blank, and all the trick plays are getting reallllllllllllly annoying. Boller can’t even throw a slant and you run a flea-flicker twice?! Goaline direct-snap to Bush?
Besides the point. Palmer looked like garabage. The best trade in football just looked stupid. Boller should have been left in the whole game.
the ONLY positive is that SD lost and we have a bye.
Depressing.
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You don’t put that into consideration,that he only had 3 days to learn everything about team, playbook, receivers and etc etc ?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
MR…and young…montana….starr…elway….brady?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Morning peoples!
How many balls were dropped yesterday?
I counted at least 4.
Wassup w/ Murph? Is it just me or does he look a little lost out there?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
783.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
I argued with you becuz you said that lispin phaggot Grad was better
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Now your just BS’ing.
Once Bruce got hurt against Miami and was IR’d, I posted at least 100 times that he should not be offered a contract back.
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no jcat…go back to summer and early in 2010 season and see your are BSing
October 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
talking about mexican fighters. Manny Pacquiao VS JM Marquez next month. HUGE figth! the first 2 were friggin classics! anybody a boxing fan in here?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
733.mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Lets make one point clear , nobody is going to judge Palmer until he plays atleast a few games with us , past is past . he’s with a new talent , you could say bengals were talented and all that sh!t with their wide receivers but they were also cancer to not just Palmer but the whole team, theirs reason nobody wanted OCHO CINCO besides the cheatriots, and they never had good Running game and they never had Good online and they never had good D and we are more improved in alot of those areas than palmer ever had so just wait and see what he does when he actually is ready to take over the team and start the games
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Dude, have you ever heard of guys like Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson? Hell, there’s no way that team make the playoffs in 2009 without Cedric Benson. The Bengals have been loaded on offense.
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yes i have heard of them but no body in their right mind would compare those RB’s to mcfadden and our O rushing attack has been top 5 for almost 4 years now, bengals never had top 10 rushing teams , so he will just benefit from that
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Nobody in his right mind??? From 2003-2006, Rudi Johnson rushed for 5,178 yards and 45 TDs. If Mc Fadden approaches that in the next three years, I’ll build a statue of him myself.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Mexican Athlete….kind of an oxymoron…I didn’t know getting a woman pregnant 5 times in 6 years was a sporting event?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Murphy looks awful. Tentative and dropping balls, he look slike DHB did his rookie year.
DHB is an animal, he plays pumped up. I like it. D Moore has no clue how to field punts and looks lost at WR.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
MR…brought up names of sb winners and guys who have won playoff games early in their career lol
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Pacman fighting anybody is a joke nowadays. Dude is on the juice.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
thanks for playing MR lmao
October 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Mexican Athlete….kind of an oxymoron…I didn’t know getting a woman pregnant 5 times in 6 years was a sporting event?
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F U
October 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I think I made my point. Take your 2:1 TD/INT ration garbage and shove it.
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Look at the QB’s the last few years who have been successful and get back to me.
Game has changed for QB’s, OBVIOUSLY, AND 2-1 is very doable these days.
Brady was like 9-1 last year, lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:33 am
i set u up on that one lmao
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
733.mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 am
# RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:09 am
mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Lets make one point clear , nobody is going to judge Palmer until he plays atleast a few games with us , past is past . he’s with a new talent , you could say bengals were talented and all that sh!t with their wide receivers but they were also cancer to not just Palmer but the whole team, theirs reason nobody wanted OCHO CINCO besides the cheatriots, and they never had good Running game and they never had Good online and they never had good D and we are more improved in alot of those areas than palmer ever had so just wait and see what he does when he actually is ready to take over the team and start the games
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Dude, have you ever heard of guys like Willie Anderson and Rudi Johnson? Hell, there’s no way that team make the playoffs in 2009 without Cedric Benson. The Bengals have been loaded on offense.
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yes i have heard of them but no body in their right mind would compare those RB’s to mcfadden and our O rushing attack has been top 5 for almost 4 years now, bengals never had top 10 rushing teams , so he will just benefit from that
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Nobody in his right mind??? From 2003-2006, Rudi Johnson rushed for 5,178 yards and 45 TDs. If Mc Fadden approaches that in the next three years, I’ll build a statue of him myself.
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Man mcfadden could easily rush for 2,000 yards every year if he stays healthy and he’s not just a threat to run , he’s a threat to catch out of backfield , he can split out wide as receiver
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
# mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
# inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I thought JC sucked early last year then I saw him continue to progress and the majority for us were happy to see it. We gave JC plenty of time, we should do the same for Palmer and I think he’s the best guy that was available
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Thats fair, and i agree he was the best available. i dont think we should have gone this route though
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what route do you suggest , we should have gone?
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post trade answer. I would have boller do what he was paid to do and be a back up regardless of his woes. I would have kept palmer under wraps until he was up to speed in a few weeks.
pre trade answer. i would have never traded for palmer, especially considering what he cost. i would have let boller take the keys, and shifted my focus to developing the youngsters, as opposed being desperate to win now. My eye would have been looking toward making a run next year with a healthy JC and the team fully loaded. i would have upgraded the back up spot going into next year if boller proved that he was no longer the guy that logged more then 20 wins in his career.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Plunkett. 2 Superbowls. Mexican Athlete. Oxymoron? Yes, for the ignorant it must be.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
779.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
When JC sucked against the Pats did we all call for his head or did we all say he is our guy and he needs to improve?
Same with Palmer he got thrown into a shltty situation and did not help us and we lost.
No reason to say the sky is falling.
The guy had 3 days of practice….come on!
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Wrong game. After Tennessee last year, people wanted him out.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Honestly. .. even though Boller may have beaten out Trent Edwards in preseason play….I knew Edwards was the better qb. … Boller is a solid practice squad qb..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am
racist time on here….see ya later…sad we see this in Raider nation
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am
# raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Murphy looks awful. Tentative and dropping balls, he look slike DHB did his rookie year.
DHB is an animal, he plays pumped up. I like it. D Moore has no clue how to field punts and looks lost at WR.
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Yes i think they should let murphy sit , and also take D moore’s punt return duties because its clearly effecting his play as a receiver..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am
All rookies have their WTF rookie moments. As soon as Boller threw that first int/pick six, I had a bad feeling about the game. In 2009, we had some momentum coming into the KC game and the idiotic Cable called for a between the legs fake field goal. Yesterday, Hue Jack had his rookie moment. Constantly dialing up flea flickers and bombs when Boller is a turnover machine. Then we start the 2nd half with 3 straight passes. All KC had to do was rev back and go after the QB on each play. Can’t be in that situation in the NFL. The silver lining is it’s good Hue ate some humble pie and can’t wait for the next KC game.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am
go back to summer
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This summer??
Never wanted Bruce.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
oh yeah DMAC….you saw that choosing show on us? I am the B@uce lmao
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
he is in Oakland now and he better figure out how to be at least 2:1 in TD/INT ratio
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Why does Palmer have to be elite?
I’d settle for the exact same thing Campbell was doing, but just adding the connection on the deep ball.
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Yezzir. Think it will be that plus a lot more but that’s all we really NEED.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
MR…and young…montana….starr…elway….brady?
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Elway 300 TD 226 INT
Bart Starr 152 TD 138 INT
Brady, Young, Montana are all well over 2:1 ration
They are exceptional.
The point is, most QBs, even the great ones, throw a lot of INTs. Palmer has a pretty good TD/INT ratio in comparison.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
768.raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Palmer looked like garabage. The best trade in football just looked stupid. Boller should have been left in the whole game.
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You right but imagine
a)you were told to go in down 21 points,
b)with less than a half to play,
c)on a team you have known less than a week,
d)after not playing the whole year,
e)you go-to running back is injured
Even the ghost of Rodger Stabauch could win in such a situation, you KNOW the defense was just going to play the pass.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
I am eager for the Pac-Man fight, and if he wins I hope Money gets his chance to smash him.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 am
When JC sucked against the Pats did we all call for his head
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99% of the blog did exactly that and have been doing it since before the first game last year. Including you
October 24th, 2011 at 10:37 am
# joetoronto Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Good observation, Ted.
If the Raiders had won yesterday, Jackson’s head wouldn’t have fit through the doorway.
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I’m cool with that as long as we win.
Hue shouldn’t be all cocky and casual with his Irish Coffee, and then get shut out at home – there is nothing charming or inspirational about that.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Palmer is the best QB we have had since Gannon. He has the potential to be the best Raider QB ever if he can win a Super Bowl.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am
A good boxing match is probably my favorite sporting event.
A get every Mayweather and Manny fight, no matter the cost.
I would probably pay $199 to watch them fight on PPV.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am
I’d settle for the exact same thing Campbell was doing, but just adding the connection on the deep ball.
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Yezzir. Think it will be that plus a lot more but that’s all we really NEED.
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That’s what we want but what does Hue Jackson want? My fear is he is going to get pass happy now that he has a QB he trusts. Hue started throwing a lot late last year after the SD game in SD.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:34 am
# mcfadden20. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:23 am
# inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 am
I thought JC sucked early last year then I saw him continue to progress and the majority for us were happy to see it. We gave JC plenty of time, we should do the same for Palmer and I think he’s the best guy that was available
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Thats fair, and i agree he was the best available. i dont think we should have gone this route though
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what route do you suggest , we should have gone?
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post trade answer. I would have boller do what he was paid to do and be a back up regardless of his woes. I would have kept palmer under wraps until he was up to speed in a few weeks.
pre trade answer. i would have never traded for palmer, especially considering what he cost. i would have let boller take the keys, and shifted my focus to developing the youngsters, as opposed being desperate to win now. My eye would have been looking toward making a run next year with a healthy JC and the team fully loaded. i would have upgraded the back up spot going into next year if boller proved that he was no longer the guy that logged more then 20 wins in his career.
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So you think if we had kept boller and he ends up stinking the joint, it will effect the teams morale and lot of free agents wouldn’t come here and it thrashes our players confidence..
Name of the game is moving forward, when you think your team got a chance and when you look at our team ( age wise ) its pretty young and most of them haven;t even hit their prime yet
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Palmer. .. is going to be fine… Boller playing and then dmac getting hurt…. writing was on the wall. … I actually thought defense played OK..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Hey, didn’t Brady throw 3 or 4 INTs against the Bills? Palmer will be fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
“Plunkett. 2 Superbowls. Mexican Athlete. Oxymoron? Yes, for the ignorant it must be.”
Your a slow one Plunkett is Native American DUH.
Now who is ignorant?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 am
racist time on here….see ya later…sad we see this in Raider nation
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Really, as many times as you comment on the race of my wife?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Raiders rush defense holds strong at #16 in the NFL.
Same exact spot Soup ranks in QB rating.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:39 am
A good boxing match is probably my favorite sporting event.
A get every Mayweather and Manny fight, no matter the cost.
I would probably pay $199 to watch them fight on PPV.
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May happen.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:31 am
talking about mexican fighters. Manny Pacquiao VS JM Marquez next month. HUGE figth! the first 2 were friggin classics! anybody a boxing fan in here?
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I love the old man marquez but he’s gonna get smashed. At least he’ll get a fat paycheck tho
October 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Mayweather will go undefeated his entire career.
He just has 2 much $$$$$$$$$$$$
October 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Agreed … D. Moore never fieled punts in college and barely in high school he said. But Hue wants playmakers everywhere. I would rather stick a guy back there that knows what he is doing … issue is, we don’t have anyone that has punt return experience. Might as well send an extra guy to block the punt and let it roll cuz that all Moore does anyways.
Murphy needs to pop some viagra and grow some balls.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:41 am
per wiki….
Biography
Plunkett was born to Mexican American parents with an Irish-German great-grandfather on his paternal side
October 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am
MikieG Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Worst Raider game I have seen since the Hot Dog eating incident…
WTF is up with the Playcalls, is “Flea Flicker” part of our Base Offense?
WTF is up with Bush Hitting the hole at Walkthrough speed?
WTF is up with not using Taiwan Jones more? (In order to spell Bush and change the pace a bit)
WTF is up with Denarius Moore’s punt return skills or lack thereof? (run sideways at half speed much, the “Roster Spot Killer” could do that crap)
WTF is up with our WR’s dropping everything in sight? (we could have come back in this game had they just continued to grind it out and actually make a few plays)
WTF is up with the rolling over and taking a nap by our Offense?
WTF is up with Murphy looking totally lost? (Nice job calling for pass interference in the middle of the play instead of laying out for the ball you may have been able to catch)
WTF is up with the Jacoby Ford disappearing act?
WTF is up with our Defense not being able to tackle anyone? (how many times did a KC player catch the ball behind the 1st down marker, only to break 5 tackles and make the first down)
Horrible, Horrible Effort all the way around, but the old adage is true..your never as good as you look when you win, but you are never as bad as you look when you lose either..These guys better re-charge their batteries, and get ready to finish out this season strong..
Did I mention our Playcalling was as ridiculous as some of the Hairy High School crap we used to run when I was 14? Just play smashmouth football Hue, stop trying to re-invent the worlds most clever play..
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Have to agree with this poster MikieG. Team looked like they hadn’t practiced at all and I was totally against bringing in CP when we were down 21 – 0. Maybe they should have let Pryor get a little practice out there. Never understood why they kept Boller over Trent Edwards. Or got rid of Gradkowski.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:42 am
The Plunkett ethnicity debate has raged in here for like 5 years, lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 am
“Plunkett. 2 Superbowls. Mexican Athlete. Oxymoron? Yes, for the ignorant it must be.”
Your a slow one Plunkett is Native American DUH.
Now who is ignorant?
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and half mexican smart guy
October 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am
RaiderDebbie stay with us we are talking about this year not last year.
Mystic1 we all know you have an agenda here and its racially motivated get over it.
You are no longer in Lock Step with Hue Jackson.
JC is out Palmer is in are you on board or are you going to be like MR and hate our players?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Palmer didn’t look at all phased. … I hope two more weeks of practice is enough time to beat the broncos… Not going to be easy. .
October 24th, 2011 at 10:43 am
hendricks half guatemalan by the way, fluent in spanish
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Marquez has no shot at Manny at that weight. He’s a true lightweight. Dosen’t have the power to be a welter, IMO.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Why don’t they put Taiwan Jones to return punts the guy is more elusive, good swivel hips and more faster than Moore and we don’t use him much in Running game anyways so it won’t effect him in that way ..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Thing about the Mayweather – Manny fight. Mayweather is a natural welterweight (147 lbs) : 5-8, 72 inch reach. Manny is a natural featherweight (126lbs) 5-6, 67inch reach.
Floyd has been beating the crap out of featherweights (with the exception of Sugar Shane) the last couple of years. Floyd must be the most talented boxer in history, perhaps even more talented than Roy Jones, yet he lacks the hunger to move up in weight classes to look for competition, instead he fights smaller dudes….wtf?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I never thought it would be possible, but we still haven’t improved from Nick Miller on punt returns.
Moore was doing the same stupid Shat yesterday, not going up and fair catching short punts and running laterally.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
it won’t effect his running game ^^
October 24th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Plunkett was born to Mexican American parents with an Irish-German great-grandfather on his paternal side
from wikipedia
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Any one with half a brain could look at Plunkett and see his high jawbone is that of a native American and when he is asked his heritage he claims Native American.
I am guessing no one would admit they were Mexican even if they were so you may be right.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
I try to tell you guys about Bush. I don’t care if he rushed for 100 yards. He is clearly not running hard, like he used to. 4 trys at the goal line.
Pathetic!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Man…I was gonna kick somebody’s @$$ yesterday!!!!
So ticked off like you wouldn’t believe!!!
And……I lost on my FFL….the $1000 one!!!
SH1TTT!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Don’t like Money May, but I’ll back him against Pac.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I thought plunkett was a tall aborigine from Australia. … could of sworn I saw him on a David Bowie video from the eighties ” Lets Dance”..
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Ray,
2 out of 3 on the Round Robin.
Seattle was the only loser.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Plunkett was born to Mexican American parents with an Irish-German great-grandfather on his paternal side…. ignorance: it’s good for your self esteem! woooo hooo!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
Get healthy DMAC.
He’s our MVP on the offense. Hands down!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 am
The broncos will present a tough challenge. Our tackling has been horrific, Tebpw isn’t easy to get down. 2 weeks should get back … Janikowski, McMcalin, McFadden, Chris Johnson (even tho I think we should cut him).
October 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Silverandblack666
Anyone that is Mexican and without the European Spanish features can certainly be labeled as Native American in my book.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Money is one of my favorite athletes.
Dude just cracks me up, is THE VEGAS athlete, and has won me a ton of money.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
May fights whoever he can Bank on.lol
October 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
I try to tell you guys about Bush.
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We really need a goaline back badly. Is Zach Crockett still available?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Why doesn’t Jacoby Ford return punts?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Would be nice to see Marcel Reece back too.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Why doesn’t Jacoby Ford return punts?
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Great question.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I Love Floyd. Nobody fights in the pocket like him. best defensive fighter in history.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
666… are you sure You’re not ray from new Mexico? ?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Ford should return punts, being that the NFL has effectively removed the role of a kickoff return guy.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Lost a couple bills last 3 days. My best sport handicapping is baseball and thats about over. Going to be laying off some with no NBA. Probably a good thing for me.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
DHB is becoming a player in front of our eyes.
Keep it up DHB!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Speaking of “Ray” from NM, I am in Los Alamos as we type.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
843.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
I try to tell you guys about Bush. I don’t care if he rushed for 100 yards. He is clearly not running hard, like he used to. 4 trys at the goal line.
Pathetic!
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Been saying we should trade him since that big game he had against Tampa to save Cable’s job a few years back.
I said it again this summer when he was holding out. Said we should’ve signed Ricky Williams instead and the twinkle toes supporters went nuts.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Seems like since Tim Brown, PR guy has always been a role player and not a feature guy.
Scared to get him hurt?
McFadden used to return punts at Arkansas, Jacoby at Clemson, Tyvon at Uconn.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Baseball is the best sport to bet on, NBA is ridiculously stupid to wager on, and the NFL is for some people, but I was not one of them.
College bowls and July baseball, that’s where I made my hay.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:53 am
With Rivers playing so erratic, hopefully we can win get them on Thursday night. We need to win the next 2 divisional games and we will be 6-3 and looking ok.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
DHB really is improving, no question. the man has a huge chip on his shoulder, you can see it after every catch.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
J,
Bush is clearly not the same.
He should be running hard as ever on his contract year.
I just don’t see it.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Jfb.. I hope You’re white bro… otherwise ray is probably already getting his night stick ready to start clobbering some minorities. .
October 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Seems like since Tim Brown, PR guy has always been a role player and not a feature guy.
Scared to get him hurt?
McFadden used to return punts at Arkansas, Jacoby at Clemson, Tyvon at Uconn.
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I used to cringe every time I saw Brown back there on PR duty.
McFadden?
I’m sure he’d be great at it but really, he’s having a hard time staying healthy as it is.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Would be nice to see Marcel Reece back too.
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I think it’s going to be really interesting to see how Hue mixes in Reece when he’s healthy.
Tonga is out there doing his thing.
Looked decent catching the ball and is the best FB dive guy we have, lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Sd going to kc, we might come out of the bye in first place
October 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Baseball is the best sport to bet on, NBA is ridiculously stupid to wager on, and the NFL is for some people, but I was not one of them.
College bowls and July baseball, that’s where I made my hay.
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Tell me about it, nearly lost 2k the past season on NBA, able to recoup it in bases.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:55 am
Crazy as it sounds being the way they played to start the season, but the Chiefs are control of the division if they win this weekend.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:56 am
PR guy has always been a role player and not a feature guy.
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Ford = role player
October 24th, 2011 at 10:56 am
On Palmer’s firts play the Chiefs left DE landed on the side of Palmer’s knee. anybody else think: were fugged!
October 24th, 2011 at 10:57 am
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:56 am
PR guy has always been a role player and not a feature guy.
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Ford = role player
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Yes sir
October 24th, 2011 at 10:57 am
The perfect storm hit us yesterday. Still confident we go to playoffs.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:57 am
The perfect storm hit us yesterday. Still confident we go to playoffs.
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yes
October 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Morning peoples!
How many balls were dropped yesterday?
I counted at least 4.
Wassup w/ Murph? Is it just me or does he look a little lost out there?
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Playing the way he did, Murphy belonged on the practice squad if that. He looked slow, tentative, without any extra effort at time of completion. In other words, terrible. He did not belong on an NFL roster. He won’t last long unless he improves dramatically.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:58 am
KC is in control of nothing.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Losing 28-0 at home is a big deal, no, I’m not still confident we go to the playoffs.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Jfb.. I hope You’re white bro… otherwise ray is probably already getting his night stick ready to start clobbering some minorities. .
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I fit in to an extent, but not many Italians around these parts.
Los Alamos is a bunch of egg-heads, that’s why I never bought his schtick.
Tons of Asians and Middle Eastern rocket scientists.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Hue better rip into the receivers for dropping all those balls. Boller should be cut.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Still confident we go to playoffs.
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We do if DMac is healthy.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:01 am
KC is in control of nothing.
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They control their destiny right now.
Nobody else in the division can say as much right now.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:01 am
in palmers defense, playing yesterday was a blunder by the raiders. Also losing some key players didnt help. maybe in a few weeks with a healthy squad he can be servicable. i dont think you will really get much return on what we invested until next year
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
When DMAC went out, and Boller at QB.
I knew we were is serious trouble.
Why so many deep balls from Boller, Hue?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
666, Soccer is the most popular sport in the world and there are several good Mexican soccer players. As far as having too many kids…you ever been to a trailer park in Oklahoma, or in the California central valley?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Seems like every year DMAC has foot issues.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Still confident we go to playoffs.
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We do if DMac is healthy.
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Bush could be beast as well.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:02 am
on the postive side i thought DVD is looking like he could become our best corner.
For all of you that trashed DHB…. HE OWNS YOU
October 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
MR then why are the best Soccer players from Brazil or Europe?
Mexico has never been a contender for the world cup as far as I know (limited Soccer knowledge)
October 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
What happened to our pass rush? Shaughnessey might be a bigger loss than I thought…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:04 am
If the O hadn’t stunk it up, it would of been a 13-10ish type of game.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
The D actually played well.
The game was LOST when we didn’t score at the goal line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Mistic1 Palmer owns you!!!
What happened to you and Hue being in Lock Step?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Michael Huff, sure doesn’t like to stick his nose in there on ball carriers, pathetic.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Not a soccer fan, but Chicharito Hernandez is arguably the best soccer player in the world right now.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:06 am
The D actually played well.
The game was LOST when we didn’t score at the goal line!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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The old Bush would of ran over that LB!
I don’t know wassup w/ him?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
895..I thought the pass rush would be better than lasts years game aginst KC… Cassell was untouched … Not 1 sack..
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Mexico doesn’t have a lot money, either. Like a lot of Latin American countries, the rich Spaniard descendants hoard the wealth, while they encourage the poor to emigrate to the US. Brazil is unique in many ways from other Latin American countries, they’re much more euro-centric. They speak Portuguese as opposed to Spanish.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Mexico has never been a contender for the world cup as far as I know (limited Soccer knowledge)
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You’re right, so what’s your point there aren’t great mex athletes? For decades Mexicans arguably had the best boxers in lower weight classes. Other than that we’ve had world class soccer players, some baseball players and thats’ about it so what?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I can see nothing has changed since last night…c’mon fellas…Can we at least SEE Palmer do something here in a Raiders uniform before automatically anointing him the best QB we’ve had since Gannon?…good grief, I’m pulling for the guy too, but lets let the man prove he isn’t the player he’s been the past 3 years first. Soup has been the best QB here since Gannon because he’s had some success here already (wasn’t playoff-like sucess but success nonetheless). No need for ridiculous statements until Carson shows it. Would much rather you guys spit the truth verbatim and just say we HOPE Carson is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:12 am
“Mexico doesn’t have a lot money,”
Really WOW this is news I thought they were crossing the boarder as a kind of sporting event?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am
No McClain, No McFadden, No Janikowski, No Reece, No Giordano …. Not to mention Boller started. Failed twice in the red-zone and if we had healthy Seasbass coulda had 2 field goals. 14 of KC points were pick 6’s. KC is terrible. They caught us at the perfect time. Anyone would have killed us with 6 interceptions. KC offense only scored 14 points. Thats terrible. We gave them 6 picks. lol. It was apinful to watch and Palmer looked weak armed and forced the ball. BUT weeks to get healthy and Palmer to get into a groove. We will be ok. Only focus should be Denver and get healthy.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am
what up NATION?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:13 am
# SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:11 am
I can see nothing has changed since last night…c’mon fellas…Can we at least SEE Palmer do something here in a Raiders uniform before automatically anointing him the best QB we’ve had since Gannon?…good grief, I’m pulling for the guy too, but lets let the man prove he isn’t the player he’s been the past 3 years first. Soup has been the best QB here since Gannon because he’s had some success here already (wasn’t playoff-like sucess but success nonetheless). No need for ridiculous statements until Carson shows it. Would much rather you guys spit the truth verbatim and just say we HOPE Carson is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
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the voice of reason, spot on
October 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am
lmao
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# Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:12 am
“Mexico doesn’t have a lot money,”
Really WOW this is news I thought they were crossing the boarder as a kind of sporting event?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Its going to be a long as two weeks.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:14 am
“You’re right, so what’s your point”
Try reading…I was responding to a post by MR saying how great Mexico was at Soccer.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
Vegas…..I got up at the counter yesterday and told them (never done a round robin) “could i get a round robin parlay?” she said ” 2,3 or 4″ i was like “what?” I told her “3″ she said “no” I was like “I’m sorry…my 1st time, someone told me to place this bet!” and I continued…
I still last my @$$ yesterday!!!
Just a bad week in general…
My 1st losing week….been killing them all year!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:15 am
KK Munster, looks like after a loss you are right back in the saddle. Its nice after a win not to see you on Mondays…
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# KoolKell Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Michael Huff, sure doesn’t like to stick his nose in there on ball carriers, pathetic.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am
want to say it was good hanging out again with my NATION family….
It was great to see you again B@uce….
Shot out to DMAC, Dirt-Lot, & Hwnrdr true Raider family…
Norco Bob is on point and should be allowed to post he is a true RAIDER….
October 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Oh yeah…..BTW
EFF them Cowgirls!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
666, I was just bringing up Mexico’s economy in response to your point about competing in the World Cub. You don’t think $$$ has anything to do with being competitive in huge, commercial sporting events?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
didn’t see MBROWN but I am sure we will meet up at the Detroit game…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:17 am
We really need a goaline back badly. Is Zach Crockett still available?
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Two things played against this Sunday:
1) The Chiefs knew that NO WAY would Hue let Boller throw, so they didn’t have to do anything but stack the middle. No worries about play action makes goal line defense a whole lot easier!
2) Tonga is not a great smash mouth lead blocking FB. Not sure if Reece would’ve done better. Would have rather seen a backup OL or even a beast like Tommy Kelly used as lead blocker in the everyone knows we’re running goal line offense.
By the way, Bush seemed to miss his hole on the play where Carlisle pulled and blasted open the hole. If he ran inside the block he had the goal line easily. Instead he went outside and met Johnson … again. In this case, he would’ve been better off using his seemingly natural desire to wait and read instead of plowing into the line.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:18 am
And Bush will be alright…being a Louisvillian myself, I’ve seen him since he was a young’n. He has always been light on his feet, but he’s a lot more of a load once he gets his legs churning. He’s never been the 1 plant and go instant power stud. Thats why Hue called that 4th down play for him out of shotgun. Problem is, if you get to Bush’s legs before he gets to full speed, you can get him down. Hasn’t always been that way, but ever since he got his femur broke in that UK game week 1 in the year we should’ve won it all, he leaps a lot quicker off the ground to avoid that planted leg hit…probably subconsciously…I’m probably the biggest Bush fan, and even I would advocate D-Mac should get those short yardage calls being he hits top speed almost instantly and as a result carries more power in that shorter distance; conversely, Bush brings it more if he’s already gained about 5 yards.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:18 am
DMAC was with the B@uce during the choosing show….Thec wish ya didnt have to leave….after you left they started pouring into D lot…found a new bz when I was walking with 707raiders…tall baby wanna update my block report lol
October 24th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Thec, good guy….really!
Had the privilege to meet him a year ago……cool cat!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Thec, yesterday was a day to forget man. Ticks went to waste…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
And the B@uce Man!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Career TDs to Interception Ratio
0.78-1 JaMarcus Russell
0.82-1 Jim Plunkett
0.87-1 Trent Dilfer
0.87-1 Kenny Stabler
0.88-1 Cam Newton
0.88-1 KYLE BOLLER
1.04-1 Dan Fouts
1.05-1 Jay Schroeder
1.05-1 Mark Sanchez
1.32-1 John Elway
1.42-1 Bernie Kosar
1.48-1 JASON CAMPBELL
1.49-1 CARSON PALMER
1.51-1 Brett Favre
1.62-1 Kurt Warner
1.66-1 Dan Marino
1.80-1 Drew Brees
1.96-1 Joe Montana
2.01-1 Peyton Manning
2.16-1 Steve Young
2.49-1 Tom Brady
2.66-1 Tim Tebow
3.05-1 Aaron Rodgers
Damn Near Unstoppable Shane Lechler
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# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:30 am
MR…and young…montana….starr…elway….brady?
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Elway 300 TD 226 INT
Bart Starr 152 TD 138 INT
Brady, Young, Montana are all well over 2:1 ration
They are exceptional.
The point is, most QBs, even the great ones, throw a lot of INTs. Palmer has a pretty good TD/INT ratio in comparison.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
lol ive known thec since i was a kid…crazy world aint it
October 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Thec07 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am
want to say it was good hanging out again with my NATION family….
It was great to see you again B@uce….
Shot out to DMAC, Dirt-Lot, & Hwnrdr true Raider family…
Norco Bob is on point and should be allowed to post he is a true RAIDER….
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Fa sho’
Ain’t nothing like that real Raider Nation Luv
Its was nice meeting you bruh
October 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
MR I really don’t want to bash Mexico.
I was just trying to start a debate about Plunkett being Native American….and I lost
October 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
2) Tonga is not a great smash mouth lead blocking FB. Not sure if Reece would’ve done better. Would have rather seen a backup OL or even a beast like Tommy Kelly used as lead blocker in the everyone knows we’re running goal line offense.
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idiotic post…kill urself
October 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I forgot 707Raider… All of you guys were on Point…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I can’t believe some people here are complaining about Palmer! Seriously?!? The Dude has had like three days to practice!!!! Are some of you guys nuts?
Yes, his first game he looked like a deer in the headlights!! Guess what only time will change that, just give it time.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC…u seen how big dude was mad his bzies was on us wanting to take pics?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC was with the B@uce during the choosing show….Thec wish ya didnt have to leave….after you left they started pouring into D lot…
Yeah, I think I went in a little too early…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Here’s a prediction. …. no sell out vs the broncos.. guaranteed! !!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
2) Tonga is not a great smash mouth lead blocking FB. Not sure if Reece would’ve done better. Would have rather seen a backup OL or even a beast like Tommy Kelly used as lead blocker in the everyone knows we’re running goal line offense.
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idiotic post…kill urself
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LOL, us sound like kenyon martin.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
So many honeys yesterday.
Wifey was w/ me at the game though.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC…u seen how big dude was mad his bzies was on us wanting to take pics?
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ROFLMAO…My man cant stop it…A fembot is going to choose….
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
So many honeys yesterday.
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YES…. what every you wanted you could find it…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
767.Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:26 am
KoolKell,
Do you remember arguing with me this preseason about the need for a better #2??
Apparently, you came around per your comments last night.
Boller sucks, always has sucked, and not sure why people ever thought he was a viable #2.
What scares me is that the coaching staff thought he was a viable #2!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
So……… since Campell was on the sidelines in his sling does that mean in 5-6 weeks he comes in as our #2 QB, Boller waived and then create some QB drama?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC…u seen how big dude was mad his bzies was on us wanting to take pics?
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His chicks were choosin.
lmao
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Man I gotta scram, meeting to get to…
1 NATION…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Vegas,
Don’t see how KC is in control of its own destiny any more than us or SD.
4-2
4-3
3-3
2-4
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Here’s a prediction. …. no sell out vs the broncos.. guaranteed! !!
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LOL! I was thinking the same thing.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Oh yeah…and eff that foo who was wearing that #2 jersey!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am
927.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Thec07 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:16 am
want to say it was good hanging out again with my NATION family….
It was great to see you again B@uce….
Shot out to DMAC, Dirt-Lot, & Hwnrdr true Raider family…
Norco Bob is on point and should be allowed to post he is a true RAIDER….
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Fa sho’
Ain’t nothing like that real Raider Nation Luv
Its was nice meeting you bruh
Thec07…man, you were making the ladies blush yesterday! Good meeting you yesterday though!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Peace out Thec
October 24th, 2011 at 11:27 am
R.Buck – Not sure anyone is complaining about Palmer…if they’re like me, they just want to see some return on investment first before we start calling the guy the next Gannon. I’m pulling for the cat, but all the CP kissing needs to be put on hold until he first proves he isn’t who he’s been the past 3 years. Doesn’t mean I’m not cheering for him. Just means he like everyone else in the NFL should earn his stripes before anointing the guy. Yea, I’ll admit, I’m very skeptical about the trade because living in Louisville, I’ve seen way too many Cincy games and saw this super-talented cat throw a lot of those interceptions he threw yesterday that people are calling the result of ‘rust’. I’m hoping, better yet praying that Hue knows the real deal with him and I’m wrong about Palmer.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 am
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Here’s a prediction. …. no sell out vs the broncos.. guaranteed! !!
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LOL! I was thinking the same thing.
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True.
But I dont give a fk
I’m there!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
DMAC! What’s up brother?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
lol ive known thec since i was a kid…crazy world aint it
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I thought you guys figured that out a year or so ago talking about that church y’all used to go to?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
941.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 am
DMAC…u seen how big dude was mad his bzies was on us wanting to take pics?
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His chicks were choosin.
lmao
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B@uce always gets chosed
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Oh yeah…..eff that foo Boller too!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Everyone second guessing that trade for Palmer now.. on radio…Lmao!!!…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am
951.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
lol ive known thec since i was a kid…crazy world aint it
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I thought you guys figured that out a year or so ago talking about that church y’all used to go to?
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yeah but i didnt exactly knew who…but man he was the playa back in the day! had the pimp hairdo and the clean whip
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Even though it was hard to sit through…
i look at the 2nd half as Palmers pre season.
That’s about the best spin i can put on it…
and considering we gave them the ball 6 times,
the D only giving up 14 points isn’t all bad.
We need to get healthy badly…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Silverandblack666, you my “mayuga” or “gavacho” friend are a straight up CULERO!!. Google it if you dont know what it means. If you want to talk all the BS go to the SD Game and I dont care if you are a raider fan, I will knock you the f*ck out!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
lol Ray…we will be all good
October 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Now lets talk Raider football hahahaaha. Anyone know whats up with RUN DMC???
October 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
DMAC! What’s up brother?
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Schit
took the day off 2day
chillin at home w/ the young’ins
October 24th, 2011 at 11:31 am
If you think the Palmer deal was bad…
Where would our season be today if Boller was our starter for the rest of the season???
October 24th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Boller should be imprisoned for impersonation of an NFL qb… Not to mention highway robbery….
October 24th, 2011 at 11:32 am
I feel ya DMAC! I feel ya! Yesterday was so darn hot that I wish I could have taken today off! But I am off the Monday after the Denver game! I have good friends from Hawaii coming up for that one!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:33 am
B, time to vent….u know?
I left the bar yesterday during half time!!
You don’t even know…..
I’m still ticked!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Someone mentioned the guy with the Russell jersey…there were 2 of them in front of me in our section! WTF? Really? I wonder if they were really Raider fans!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Hue put his everything on the line with Palmer. Let’s hope he looks like a franchise QB against Denver.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Sorry Nation, I might of jinx us yesterday.
I told my homeboy before the game. Watch Boller throw 4 picks.
Not quite 4,but 6 Boller/Palmer
October 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Damn lucky I got the day off, sore ass hell after the mad dogpile we got on dude we hadn’t seen in yrs. f’er brought us bad luck yesterday. getting too old to do that sh*t nowadays, especially with my fat ass bros.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:35 am
960.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:30 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 am
DMAC! What’s up brother?
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Schit
took the day off 2day
chillin at home w/ the young’ins
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Wish i could do that…yesterday sucked! New work i pulled i didnt even wanna meet up after game with her bruh…cant do it when my team gets slammed like that…but she was bad
October 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
967.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Sorry Nation, I might of jinx us yesterday.
I told my homeboy before the game. Watch Boller throw 4 picks.
Not quite 4,but 6 Boller/Palmer
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kept saying i didnt feel good didnt I?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
970.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:36 am
967.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Sorry Nation, I might of jinx us yesterday.
I told my homeboy before the game. Watch Boller throw 4 picks.
Not quite 4,but 6 Boller/Palmer
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kept saying i didnt feel good didnt I?
Yes you did! You called it B!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Palmer will be fine.
May not be the pro bowl caliber QB that he used to be, but we don’t need him to be.
He’ll be ready to go against the Donkies.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
My wife took a classic pic yesterday though, i looked like MM34 slamming Orton’s head on the ground couple years back.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
VanHeathen – good point. The cloudy future for us worries me more than the present, but hopefully they both pan out alright…..I’m one of the people that think we reached way too much for the dude, and like I keep saying; I hope I’m wrong.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:39 am
972.DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Palmer will be fine.
May not be the pro bowl caliber QB that he used to be, but we don’t need him to be.
He’ll be ready to go against the Donkies.
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agreed
October 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I don’t see a cloudy future for the Raiders. Too young and talented to say so. Huejack will get it right, hire a gm and off we go.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
What’s 666’s problem with Mexicans, anyway? Oh, wait, he’s Asian, grew up in San Jose. Never mind.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Cmon with all this hangin you head BS.
We have 2 weeks to get healthy.
Keep your damn head up!
DMac, Reece, Chaz, Jano all come back healthy, this offense is right back on track.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
If this is a “win now” team than Hue needs to collect them, get healthy and put Palmer in a good position to make the throws he can.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
Wait, what happened to Chaz?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
anyone else notice how CP refers to Coach Jackson as Hue instead of Coach. Seems strange, sounds stranger coming from a newly aquired player.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:42 am
976.raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I don’t see a cloudy future for the Raiders. Too young and talented to say so. Huejack will get it right, hire a gm and off we go.
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Yea, we are young and I do like that. Just saying how I personally feel about the Carson Palmer I think I know….again, am pulling for the guy and hope I’m wrong….That’s all a brotha can do….
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
According to Steve Corkran of the Oakland Tribune, Darren McFadden (foot) “likely will be available” after the Raiders’ Week 8 bye.
After spraining his foot early in the first quarter, McFadden got treatment in the locker room, taped up, and returned to the field in full pads. According to Corkran, coach Hue Jackson “opted against putting McFadden back into the game for fear of losing his most potent offensive weapon for the long term.” The week off comes at an ideal time for McFadden. The foot sprain appears to be only a day-to-day injury, and he’s now got two weeks to get over the hump.
Source: aol.sportingnews.com
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Chaz wasn’t dressed huh. must’ve tweaked a lung breathing.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
SD_Raider_619
Big talk for such a little man so far away…I understand your anger after all you are a loser and probably get picked on all day long…that and an extremely small wiener would make me mad at the world too.
Its cool man relax we got pills for that.
You and Charged Up can hang out at the Charger games and fondle each others meat. Leave me out of your homosexual fantasy’s.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Receivers gotta help the guy out too though…..Murphy and Moore should be in front of a ball machine right now perfecting their craft. No excuse for those drops.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:44 am
That’s good to hear!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am
After watching much of the Broncos-Dolphins yesterday, all I know is that there’s something seriously wrong if we don’t win that game by 3 TDs.
The following week against SD will be tougher with getting Palmer up to speed. If we win both, we will be looking good. If we lose one, it’s going to be a bumpy ride to the playoffs.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Looks like DMAC will be ready for the Donkies
October 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am
RaideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Chaz wasn’t dressed huh. must’ve tweaked a lung breathing.
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Maybe his eyes…from looking at the game!!!
LMFAO!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Its cool man relax we got pills for that.
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that explains it all
October 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:43 am
According to Steve Corkran of the Oakland Tribune, Darren McFadden (foot) “likely will be available” after the Raiders’ Week 8 bye.
After spraining his foot early in the first quarter, McFadden got treatment in the locker room, taped up, and returned to the field in full pads. According to Corkran, coach Hue Jackson “opted against putting McFadden back into the game for fear of losing his most potent offensive weapon for the long term.” The week off comes at an ideal time for McFadden. The foot sprain appears to be only a day-to-day injury, and he’s now got two weeks to get over the hump.
Source: aol.sportingnews.com
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Very nice.
Hopefully that’s the truth. Remember his rookie year when he came back from turf toe and was slipping a sliding all over the place every time he tried to make a cut?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:47 am
MR says I am Asian LMAO
Have you meet me?
No because you are afraid to meet people!
I am 1/2 man 1/2 bear and 1/2 pig I am ManBearPig!
I am super duper serial!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I haven’t caught BSPN at all today. Are they out of control with the Tebow hype or are they not quite shameless enough to pretend that he was great yesterday?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Why are some questioning Palmer’s arm strength?
I thought his balls had plenty of zip on them?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Okay and I hate to say it but man Boller needs to call it a career – that was just terrible out there. Go home sell something expensive and tell everyone you played in the NFL. You’ll make just as much money and you won’t have to embarass yourself on national TV.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
“that explains it all”
California going bankrupt explains it all if you ask most of us living here.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I haven’t caught BSPN at all today. Are they out of control with the Tebow hype or are they not quite shameless enough to pretend that he was great yesterday?
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I refuse to watch it. No NFLN or ESPN for two weeks until our next game!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am
WTF is Murph doing out there?
I’ll take a one legged chinaChaz on the field over Murph, right about now!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Silverandblack666 —
You know what my anger is, pendejos like you still exist. If you ever go to either Raider home game or SD game, please let me know. Because I dont need to run my mouth on here like you against. Say it face to face and we will see what happens. When I knock you the f*ck out, I will have make sure to throw away your raider jersey cause you are a disgrace to the Raider Nation!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am
666 has a problem with mexicans?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am
DMAC
thanks for the info on RUN DMC, feel a lot better after the bye week now. Now Carson Bomber needs to get in synch with the receivers and hand off to RUN DMC.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am
666= pill popping idiot.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:53 am
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Why are some questioning Palmer’s arm strength?
I thought his balls had plenty of zip on them?
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The velocity on Palmer’s throws were real nice. That wasn’t the problem. The problem was lack of timing with his receivers and then when the timing wasn’t an issue, the receivers were dropping passes and quitting on routes.
Palmer will be fine. Mcfadden being out hurt us too.
But how bout that run defense improving!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am
That’s another thing I hate about this game, is effectivly took us out of any media hype. I was enjoying seeing my Raiders on TV without the word “dysfunction” word used.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am
yellowandgold666 is a lil puta that hides behind the screen hahahaha. you have been warned puto!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:55 am
I agree Armchair
October 24th, 2011 at 11:56 am
ArmChair – Speaking of run D., Curry is gonna be a monster for us for a loooong time. Loved seeing that pursuit on Thomas Jones on that one he strung out. Not only did he catch up to him not having the proper angle (sign of pure speed), he ran thru him and over him for the tackle.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Curry is a beast!! mad props to him
October 24th, 2011 at 11:56 am
ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I haven’t caught BSPN at all today. Are they out of control with the Tebow hype or are they not quite shameless enough to pretend that he was great yesterday?
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I refuse to watch it. No NFLN or ESPN for two weeks until our next game!
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Same here…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
On the positive side…..
Curry,DVD, and DHB all had good games
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Curry cause that fumble that should been recovered in the end zone SMH
October 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Was that the one he jumped on his back?
October 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am
NO TV for me till we play the donkeys hahaha
October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Curry sure did look good. That FF would of been a game changer had we recovered it.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
1012.SD_Raider_619 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Curry cause that fumble that should been recovered in the end zone SMH
That is what ticked me off! 3 Raider players diving for the ball??? Come on man, jump on and secure it! Touch back to the 20! Game still in reason!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Big man talking trash on a blog like some kind of internet wanna be gangster geek.
Your a pathetic little man all talk, little girls rip on you and get away with it.
Stay behind your keyboard its safe for you there.
Never said I had a problem with Mexicans it was MR who said that.
Try reading a book or visit the library you would be surprised how much it will help you in your writing skills as well as teach you some things.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Olinesux Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am
666 has a problem with mexicans?
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Mexican Americans don’t like to just get into gang fights,
they like flowers and music and white girls named Debbie tooo!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Wassup w/ those false starts/ illegal motions yesterday?
Looked like we weren’t really prepared.
Maybe 2 many distractions during the week
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
For sure, we are down only 7-0. I am still pissed that we had boller in there and we threw the ball. I would rather seen Lechler then that boller. Is Boller cut yet???
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Curry sure did look good. That FF would of been a game changer had we recovered it.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
1018.r8eray Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Olinesux Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:52 am
666 has a problem with mexicans?
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Mexican Americans don’t like to just get into gang fights,
they like flowers and music and white girls named Debbie tooo!!!!!
Classic Cheech and Chong!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:44 am
I see KoolKell was complaining and wondering why we didn’t upgrade the #2 spot this offseason.
Only problem, during the preseason when I was ranting and raving about the lack of a quality #2, he called me disengenious, said he is confident in Boller, and I am just hating because I wanted Gradkwoski back (which I didn’t) and because I don’t like Soup.
What a POS!!!
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We did upgrade the #2 QB position before the season started. He was a First Round draft choice who has had like 48 career starts. I think his name is Kyle Boller.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Not even that bro, someone should of punched it out of bounds!! Still pissed hahaha
hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:59 am
1012.SD_Raider_619 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Curry cause that fumble that should been recovered in the end zone SMH
That is what ticked me off! 3 Raider players diving for the ball??? Come on man, jump on and secure it! Touch back to the 20! Game still in reason!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Might as well pay my bills today.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
1013.hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Was that the one he jumped on his back?
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yep….that was the most energetic tackle of the season! Dude looks like the real deal. Maybe not in pass coverage, but love to see him bring it like that…
October 24th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
SD, yeah i would have taken that too! Anything but a score for them!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
aww scared 666? all of a sudden you don’t have a problem anymore? Would you like me to repost your comments?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I still think the game was LOST when we didn’t punch it in at the goal line.
That schit pissed me off more than the pick 6
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
Wassup w/ those false starts/ illegal motions yesterday?
That’s coaching!!
Looked like we weren’t really prepared.
That’s coaching!!!
Maybe 2 many distractions during the week
That’s coaching!!
It seemed to me Jackson had his players ready for everything, except playing the KC Cheats.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
R8eray Damn funny LMAO
October 24th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Very true!! now if we can say that about Carson Palmer after the denver game
Thursday night football for me in SD, it doesnt get better then that!!
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 am
On the positive side…..
Curry,DVD, and DHB all had good games
October 24th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Inonewordraider
don’t know who you are or why you are talking to me but eat me you little tard I doubt you have enough man power to even make an internet threat!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
1021 see its all cool in here…cheech kicks azz
October 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
“Would you like me to repost your comments?”
Sure because I doubt you have the brain power to write them yourself!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
DVD is growing into a decent corner…..would’ve liked to see him try to return that one pick to the house…..dude looks small out there and probably didn’t wanna get cracked coming back across field! Lol If he can gain another 15-20 in the offseason (hard to do for an obvious hardgainer), he could be the real deal. Seems like he was in a good spot on the plays he did get beat on, but he just got outmuscled at the last sec for position.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Any one with half a brain could look at Plunkett and see his high jawbone is that of a native American and when he is asked his heritage he claims Native American.
I am guessing no one would admit they were Mexican even if they were so you may be right.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Eat me??? are you a broad or what?? hahahaha que joto eres buey!!! hahahaa
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Inonewordraider
don’t know who you are or why you are talking to me but eat me you little tard I doubt you have enough man power to even make an internet threat!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e2K-_2AHYh0
LMFAO!!!!!!
Check this!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:32 am
Mexican Athlete….kind of an oxymoron…I didn’t know getting a woman pregnant 5 times in 6 years was a sporting event?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Inonewordgayer
I already admitted that I lost the Plunkett is native American argument.
Next subject…
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:21 am
I can’t believe some people here are complaining about Palmer! Seriously?!? The Dude has had like three days to practice!!!! Are some of you guys nuts?
Yes, his first game he looked like a deer in the headlights!! Guess what only time will change that, just give it time.
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And also remember, Palmer didn’t have Darren McFadden out there with him on one play either.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
next subject??
you are racist f*ck!! and eres un joto!!
next?? lmfao
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Inonewordgayer
I already admitted that I lost the Plunkett is native American argument.
Next subject…
October 24th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Inonewordgayer
Post #1039 That’s funny
October 24th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Hey…I’m Mexican American!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I know we got are azzes kick, but i think we couldn’t have asked for a better time for our bye week.
1. Palmer gets in some much needed practice
2. A healthy DMAC returns (hopefully)
Our D, is actually playing well.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
now back to our schedule Raider talk…….. Why is Michael Bush playing so bad?? Is his contract year!! I dont get it and its annoying………. Look at Matt Forte!!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
“Would you like me to repost your comments?”
Sure because I doubt you have the brain power to write them yourself!
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you obviously don’t have the brain power to remember that your racist and that you were bashing mexicans. Or you just got scared, probably both
October 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
I still think the game was LOST when we didn’t punch it in at the goal line.
That schit pissed me off more than the pick 6
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To me, the game was lost on the lst Raider possession when you are rolling them, you have a 3rd and one at midfield, you bring bring Terrell Pryor in to run a gadget play who has never played a down in the league, he effs it up, bringing up a 3rd and 6, the Boller then throws a pick they take to the house. Right there, there is probably five things Jackson did wrong. What the FOOK??
October 24th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I’m Mexican American and damn proud of it!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
#1048, silly play call.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I’m a Mexican/Peruvian American and damn proud of it!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Look how angry little San Diego guy is.
Man that’s funny…you are so emotionally weak that you let words on a computer screen dictate your mood swings.
Relax little man take a Xanax you don’t have to prove your a Macho guy on a blog. Save it for the gay bar when your trying to convince your buddies your a top not a bottom!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
And I was born in East L.A!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0f37quWemJs
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Why are some questioning Palmer’s arm strength?
I thought his balls had plenty of zip on them?
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They had the zip when needed, like on that slant that bounced off of Moore’s chest and into the wrong team’s hands. Aside from the part where I haven’t seen the other QBs throwing slants, I don’t know how used to the WRs are to having balls arrive on time and between the numbers with zip.
The thing that really impressed me though was how he also seems to have tremendous touch on the throws that need that as well. At least one of Boller’s picks came because he just drilled the ball on a deep route, where if he floated it out a bit further and let DHB run underneath it, it could have been 6. Palmer seems to know how to vary his velocity based on the situation.
If anything, he seemed to come up short on his timing routes. I think he needs some reps to get used to the speed of the Raiders WRs who get a little deeper on those outs than he is used to. Let’s not forget that he’s been working out with such notorious speed burners like TO and Hoosh (ran a 4.61 40 in his draft combine) who are both now well into their 30’s and not exactly getting faster.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
SD_Raider_619 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
now back to our schedule Raider talk…….. Why is Michael Bush playing so bad?? Is his contract year!!
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17 rushes for 100 yards yesterday, with everyone keying on him? That’s not so bad. He has really been average statistically this year, but remember, he normally comes in late in games, when defenses are expecting him.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I am the happiest person that you will ever meet but when I read or hear ignorant people like you, guess what is in my nature to put them in their place. what iam trying to say, you gave a free ticket to meet my fist hahahaha lmfao
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Look how angry little San Diego guy is.
Man that’s funny…you are so emotionally weak that you let words on a computer screen dictate your mood swings.
Relax little man take a Xanax you don’t have to prove your a Macho guy on a blog. Save it for the gay bar when your trying to convince your buddies your a top not a bottom!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
very true, but come on cant scored on 4th and 1, now that made me upset SMH
October 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
This was the first game our interior d-line got handled like that on passing downs. Was just an all around bad-day. Glad Hue put the blame on himself like a good coach is supposed to. We’ll bounce back.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Seymour,
The old Bush of last year would of ran over that LB in the end zone. I don’t think he’s running the same this year, especially on his contract year.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
InonewordGay
“you obviously don’t have the brain power to remember that your racist and that you were bashing mexicans. Or you just got scared, probably both”
bashing Mexicans or was I replying to a post by MR…again if you could read you might have better insight into whats really going on.
whats to be scared of really? Your empty threats and fake internet tough guy act?
LMAO now that’s funny!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Bold Statements Likely to Come True:
1. Palmer will be a good Raider QB and get us many wins
2. The entire team will play better in two weeks
3. Most of the blog is on the ledge right now and will chill once Palmer and the WRs get their timing down
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Peruvian food is the bomb, when i got visit my familia in LA, I go to this spot thats always busy. gotta love inka cola hahaha
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
I’m a Mexican/Peruvian American and damn proud of it!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
**go** I hate my phone it always changes words
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
who’s to blame:
boller 3 ints
wr’s countless drops
dline no pass rush
who’s not to blame:
Hue-when we win we love the trick plays, what we’re not supposed to play rookies?
Carson Palmer- 1 week to pick up O
Bush-look at his yards per carry
Oline-look at rush yards, and qbs stayed clean
my opinion of course
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Everybody knows my back aint dry. Northeast L.A. R8eray!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Moving ahead, in two weeks it’s the Donks and Tebow. I see this as Curry;s moment to shine. His one role the whole game should be to shadow Tebow and reduce him to ground meat every time he crosses the line of scrimmage. It’s a perfect matchup for Curry’s skillset. If successful and Tebow is forced to throw, we’ll get to witness DVD’s first NFL TD return!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I agree with you!! I want to see the whole team ready for the Thursday Night Football game now thats the big stage!!!
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
This was the first game our interior d-line got handled like that on passing downs. Was just an all around bad-day. Glad Hue put the blame on himself like a good coach is supposed to. We’ll bounce back.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I think Hue deserves most of the blame. Not too concerned with the trick plays, I just don’t like the way he called the game for Kyle Boller.
They just kept forcing it when it wasn’t there.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
666, you said before that you were Asian. Did the cholos pick on you at lot in San Jo growing up? Sounds like it.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
“you gave a free ticket to meet my fist”
really?
Ok first learn to write then I can understand what you are threatening otherwise your threats are just laughable!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
inonewordraider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
who’s to blame:
boller 3 ints
wr’s countless drops
dline no pass rush
who’s not to blame:
Hue-when we win we love the trick plays, what we’re not supposed to play rookies?
Carson Palmer- 1 week to pick up O
Bush-look at his yards per carry
Oline-look at rush yards, and qbs stayed clean
my opinion of course
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I don’t see how you can blame anyone on defense. Cassel completed less than 50% of his passes. KC was held to 3.6 yards per carry.
Good points otherwise. Though I felt like the o-line was much shakier than it has been in any other game this season. They lost their battle.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-10-18/carson-palmer-trade-could-set-back-raiders-for-years
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My thoughts exactly.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
1061.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Bold Statements Likely to Come True:
1. Palmer will be a good Raider QB and get us many wins
2. The entire team will play better in two weeks
3. Most of the blog is on the ledge right now and will chill once Palmer and the WRs get their timing down
—————————————————
Those points are defintiely on everyone’s wish list. And love the fact that most of the Nation is on the ledge. Wouldn’t want it any other way, especially because regardless of what we put out there on the field; we’ll still be behind it. It’s what makes us the fanbase we are and the best fans out there. The fans that don’t care, have management that doesn’t care. If for example Pittsburgh Pirates fans, got a little more riled up like we do, their wouldn’t be committed to shipping off the best talent to always make money and they would once in a while try to please their fanbase.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Let’s remember Hue is still a rookie coach.
Hopefully he’ll learn from his mistakes.
Hue’s got Hue’s back?
I still do.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
MR
I also said I was ManBearPig
Come on man I am too educated of a person to give anyone on this blog any kind of information about me or my personal life.
Now go back to your pathetic attempt at writing a script for a Hollywood movie about Blogging!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
*their mgmt
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Let’s remember Hue is still a rookie coach.
Hopefully he’ll learn from his mistakes.
Hue’s got Hue’s back?
I still do.
”””’
count me in.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Curry is a player. No doubt about that. Very happy with that pickup.
Forced a key fumble on the goalline which we unfortunately could not recover that put KC up 14-0. I think they gave McClain the TD in the box score, but on replay it was very clear that ball was out before he got to the goalline and would’ve been ours if we could’ve recovered.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
How educated are you, 666? What’s the highest degree you’ve obtained?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
Later peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!(fire Tedford)
Go Raiders!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
RaideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Everybody knows my back aint dry. Northeast L.A. R8eray!
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How’d you know I was from North East???
October 24th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
DMAC Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Let’s remember Hue is still a rookie coach.
Hopefully he’ll learn from his mistakes.
Hue’s got Hue’s back?
I still do.
”””’
count me in.
——————-
Count me in. Hue is not the problem.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Blogged with u before man. I grew up on Monterey Rd., Rose Hills side.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
you are such a dumb azz
“you have a free ticket to meet my fist”
Is the better for you CULERO, bring your racist friends if you want. We got plenty to go around hahahaha. We might knocked up your lady (if you have one) sister, mom, aunt, cousin hahahaha lmfao
October 24th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
“you gave a free ticket to meet my fist”
really?
Ok first learn to write then I can understand what you are threatening otherwise your threats are just laughable!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Orale….Lol!!
Short memory….too many hits!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
that** damn I phone
October 24th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
By Montecito errrr I mean Ernest Debbs park.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
666, where did you get your degree?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
MR
where did you go to high school?
Where do you live?
Where do you work?
What kind of car do you drive and what the license plate number….so I can get this information to b@uce right away!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
“We might knocked up your lady”
WOW again with the syntax!
Learn to write then we can exchange threats via the internet like tough guys!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Now thats straight up comedy!! Count me in on that comment bro lmfao…South East San Diego for me
raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Everybody knows my back aint dry. Northeast L.A. R8eray!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
666, you didn’t go to college, did you?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
You are such an idiot man. Didnt you want to be a comedian with your racist joke, I am just trying to help you out, because you getting a beating first then we grant your wish to get everyone pregnant in your family lmfao
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
“We might knocked up your lady”
WOW again with the syntax!
Learn to write then we can exchange threats via the internet like tough guys!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-10-18/carson-palmer-trade-could-set-back-raiders-for-years
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My thoughts exactly.
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LOL at the JaMarcus Russell fan who thinks Carson Palmer could set us back years.
Pot, meet kettle.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
666, why did you lie to us about being educated? You didn’t go to college. That’s now obvious.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Guys it’s obvious that Hue Jackson made a strong batch of his own KOOL-AID and drank way too much of it!
And since it starts with him, the whole team started drinking it and buying into the media hype as well.
I saw statements like, “Are the Raiders a definite Super Bowl team with the Palmer trade?” and other inflammatory media statements like that.
I say inflammatory because those statements are not GENUINE media inquiries. They are meant to set us up for failure. In life PERCEPTION is often reality. If you can repeat something over and over again, after a while you can convince many people that a lie is actually the truth! So if the Raiders don’t reach the Super Bowl this season, then we are the same ole bungling, inept, Raiders right?
Wrong! But that is the hidden agenda of the media here. Don’t buy into all this false praise and attention the media has been showering us with!
That’s why Hue said that he “Didn’t have the team ready to play.” He meant mentally ready.
There were far too many distractions. With the death of Al Davis still being fresh, Campbell being out for an indefinite time period, a blockbuster trade at QB for Palmer, all the uncharacteristic media attention, it has been a literal ZOO at Raiders headquarters the past month. And it has been a hindrance and distraction for this team of mostly YOUNG and INEXPERIENCED players!
This team has a LOT of work to do still, starting with fixing the penalties, finding the right long term players on the offensive line, and above all, getting everybody HEALTHY!
Hue Jackson got a huge serving of humble pie yesterday, like Rex Ryan has gotten several times before, and I’m glad it happened now instead of later when it could cost us our season!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
The Raiders had the Chiefs in 3rd and longs all day, but let them convert time and again.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Laterz puto!!
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
please stop picking on me, I promise not to be such a verga face no more
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Just the sheer notion of comparison the Palmer trade with picking jablubber is complete idiocy. … .. if we wait and pick up a qb in the draft. Assuming he’s got the goods… how long would it take him to be good enough to get us to the afc championship? ? 3-4 yrs minimum…. by that time.. the young core of young receivers will be passing their prime and our 30ish yr old defensive line will be too old….. I’m glad we made the Palmer trade…. I’m tired of waiting for probably the next jamarcus Russell. ..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
And, I really did not foresee Boller playing that bad.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
K,
Not like the offense was gonna do anything if we forced a punt anyway.
We had ample opportunity to come back in that game.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
MR I have a graduate degree
If you tell me where you work and what kind of car you drive I will tell you what kind of degree I got and where I got it.
fair trade?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Set us back years?
What positions were we going to draft with those 2 late first round picks that would have set up us for years to come?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
La to the bay…LOL.. that was one stupid article… obviously not a Raiders fan..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Kookell – Boller is bad bro. Real bad!!! I saw the guy play at Baltimore and he only had one game where he looked like an NFL QB.
Boller is a roller coaster ride that needs to end. FOr the life of me I don’t know why Hue kept this guy around. Maybe he thought he grew up as a QB. But he has always been bad. Look at a # of his throws man. He is throwing into double coverage at times.
Boller should not be in the NFL!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
SD_Raider_619 at first I thought maybe you had some balls but after that last weak sauce post where you tried to put words in my mouth….now I know you have a Vag!
Maybe you can get all of your tough internet friends to pound it for you?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
MR I have a graduate degree
……….
lol. Sure.
Every single person I’ve met who has even a 4 year college degree from a legit college says so proudly whenever asked. Even if you wanted to remain anonymous, you could still tell us where you got your degree. It’s not like these mean Mexicans are going to narrow you down amongst thousands of other graduates from the same school. You lied, and we all know it. So just shut up and stop telling people you’re educated.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Come on MR fair trade my information for yours.
Be real here and tell us where you work and I will tell you what College I went to.
Seems like a fair trade to me unless you are in fact unemployed and living with your mother like everyone here claims.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
MR do you see what kind of crap KK gets in here all day for giving out his personal information?
Really you cant see that?
Come on man its a fair trade you tell me something and I will tell you something.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
We got a young, talented team with many distractions these past two weeks! We beat a very good Texans team and an average Browns team back to back! We should have beaten the Chiefs into Oblivion but didn’t! I always expect to win, yesterday was more of a hoping that we do! Never cared for Boller coming out of Cal, but I also never expected an NFL qb to play like he did yesterday!
Hue’s brashness will get us there…I believe the corner is there for us to turn into!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
MR
Lets start with the easy stuff like do you really live with your mom?
Are you in Elk Grove or Sacramento?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
1101.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
K,
Not like the offense was gonna do anything if we forced a punt anyway.
We had ample opportunity to come back in that game.
*******************
Hue blew it on 3rd and 1 when he did that pryor play…end of story i knew we were gonna get blasted from that point on…Hue is right in saying its his fault
October 24th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Kookell – Boller is bad bro. Real bad!!! I saw the guy play at Baltimore and he only had one game where he looked like an NFL QB.
Boller is a roller coaster ride that needs to end. FOr the life of me I don’t know why Hue kept this guy around. Maybe he thought he grew up as a QB. But he has always been bad. Look at a # of his throws man. He is throwing into double coverage at times.
Boller should not be in the NFL!
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I know, but damn! He’d been in the system 2 years….If he’s that bad, they should have had somebody competing in camp besides him and charlie Frye.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
MR I am waiting…….tap tap tap…..
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
666, do you think you’re fooling anyone? Every single person here knows people that have graduated from college. And they all know that those people will tell you where they graduated in a heartbeat if asked. College grads love to tell you where they got their degree. It’s part of the reason they got it. If you had really graduated from college, you would have named the school when first asked. Wouldn’t have even hesitated. I’m sure you’re now thinking about naming a school that you really didn’t graduate from, but what’s holding you back is that you know I’ll only then question you about that school, what you majored in, and you know you’ll eventually expose yourself in that lie, too. So now you’re just playing this “you tell me, and I’ll tell you” game. You’re an uneducated blather mouth. It’s now obvious.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Well that’s very clairvoyant of you, B but in reality, there was like 55 min of game after that and it was 0-0.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Oh now that B@uce is in here you shut your mouth!
I see how it is big talker!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
MR its a fair offer you tell me something then I tell you.
Not a big deal why are you so hesitant to tell me?
Why are you so afraid of me knowing what city you live in or where you work?
Are you really that scared of B@uce?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
With the only positive at all from the game (other then maybe Carson getting live game reps)…
how bout DHB?
October 24th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
1110.hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
We got a young, talented team with many distractions these past two weeks! We beat a very good Texans team and an average Browns team back to back! We should have beaten the Chiefs into Oblivion but didn’t! I always expect to win, yesterday was more of a hoping that we do! Never cared for Boller coming out of Cal, but I also never expected an NFL qb to play like he did yesterday!
Hue’s brashness will get us there…I believe the corner is there for us to turn into!
********************
Yeah well with a bye and some more familirity with Palmer and company….Hue needs to make a fkin decision on who his guys are. All that multiple sub schit gets lame after a while. Get your official start units together and stick with it.
Yes we are young but we are now into week 8 of the nfl season. Standing 4-3 isnt bad but we should be 5-2. Now we got den and sd within a 4 day span of each other then we gotta head to Minny for what may be a tougher game than I thought before
Anything less than 6-4 heading into the BEARS game at home is not accpetable. To make the playoffs this team gonna have to win 3-4 games in a row over these next 9 to have any real shot at hosting a home game
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
York and Fig.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
1116.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Well that’s very clairvoyant of you, B but in reality, there was like 55 min of game after that and it was 0-0.
True but 8 seconds after that, it was 6-0…
But in all fairness, I saw it slipping from there, and the exclamation point was when they ran Bush 4 times from the 5 and not get in! If it was Cooper, then someone slap him!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Hue called that game like a frustrated kid playing Madden.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Method To My Madness you scared little MR back into his shell.
He was about to share with us.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Anyhow, now that we all know 666 is a fraud trying to claim he’s college educated (with an advanced degree, nonetheless), let’s talk football.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Yes, Hue needs to stop trying to be Al and come out with his starters! That is the only way to gel!
October 24th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
1094.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2011-10-18/carson-palmer-trade-could-set-back-raiders-for-years
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My thoughts exactly.
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LOL at the JaMarcus Russell fan who thinks Carson Palmer could set us back years.
Pot, meet kettle.
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We actually moved forward with Russell. 2-14 whenhe was drafted. He went 5-11 his 1st year as a starter. But you should actually read the article and not just the title. You’ll probably agree too.
October 24th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Ill admit.. I did not like the way dhb was playing before the passing of al davis. …. but since That texas game… that dude has been ballin’. … dmoore actually looks like he hit the rookie wall…. dhb really looks like he’s comming into his own…. I hope he keeps it up… he’s starting to look like real wideout out there…
October 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Well, I’ve had the stalking trolls, stalking and making threats against me for years, Yet, I’m still here.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Veldherr-Heyer-Wiz-Campbell-Barnes……..Hue let’s get this show on the road….that needs to be your starting oline unit heading forward. The weather will get cold,rainy or snowy in nov and dec…you want a bully? Get the big mean guys out there. Satele and Coop just not strong enough inside
October 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
anyways ill be back in a sec….gosh gotta get back on it
October 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
MR
Do you live with your mother?
Do you have a job?
Do you pay taxes?
Do you have a car?
Just share it wont hurt I promise.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
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We actually moved forward with Russell. 2-14 whenhe was drafted. He went 5-11 his 1st year as a starter. But you should actually read the article and not just the title. You’ll probably agree too.
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I did. Didn’t agree with it.
Not much of a choice with regard to that trade.
We either stick with Boller the rest of the year (and we saw a sneak preview of where that would get us) or we sign a low risk-lower reward scab off the street.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
Brien,
Tell your prison bittch Silvernblack666 to go get you a glass of water or something. He’s annoying me.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
1099.ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Just the sheer notion of comparison the Palmer trade with picking jablubber is complete idiocy. … .. if we wait and pick up a qb in the draft. Assuming he’s got the goods… how long would it take him to be good enough to get us to the afc championship? ? 3-4 yrs minimum…. by that time.. the young core of young receivers will be passing their prime and our 30ish yr old defensive line will be too old….. I’m glad we made the Palmer trade…. I’m tired of waiting for probably the next jamarcus Russell. ..
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Why the hell should it take 3-4 years? Look at Newton? Stepped in from day 1 without an offseason and is instantly a top 10 qb in the league. Carolina has the line,backs, tight ends and Steve Smith. Made it possible for Cam to show his talent. 3-4 years to figure it out at qb is old news.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
MR
You ask everyone here all day long their personal business but when a question is posed to you….you run!
Why is that?
Are you afraid?
Just tell us do you have a job?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
MR
Do you live with your mother?
Do you have a job?
Do you pay taxes?
Do you have a car?
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Didn’t I pose that EXACT question to Brien last week?
Coincidence?
October 24th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
r8eray Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
York and Fig.
””
yeah, alot of my fams went to franklin hs.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
MR
Come on just one question just one!
October 24th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Found a copy of 666’s degree:
http://bit.ly/u3mMAv
October 24th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
1133.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
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We actually moved forward with Russell. 2-14 whenhe was drafted. He went 5-11 his 1st year as a starter. But you should actually read the article and not just the title. You’ll probably agree too.
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I did. Didn’t agree with it.
Not much of a choice with regard to that trade.
We either stick with Boller the rest of the year (and we saw a sneak preview of where that would get us) or we sign a low risk-lower reward scab off the street.
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Or trade a 2nd (purely speculaton on my part) for Vince Young, a proven winner who can make plays with his legs and led the league in throwing the deep ball last year. Has as many Pro Bowls as Palmer and is younger and hungrier. Can’t stand the price we paid for Palmer. Wouldn’t bother me as much if we weren’t already short on draft choices. As you saw yesterday, this roster is not perfect.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:09 pm
me too….. ‘93, ‘94,’95
October 24th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Debo.. I guess your willing to piss this season away with boller and Pryor. …. did you watch the game yesterday…. boller stinks… complaining about aquiring Palmer is begging for another losing season….. wake the hell up!!” Boller is not the answer. ..
October 24th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
B,you are correct.That stupid move changed the game-gave them momentum.That and running the wildcat with Bush at the 1.HJ needs to remember what Davis said-trust your players, and quit trying to be so cute.When we are inside the 5 and I’m watching the game in the solitude of my living room, my favorite saying is-shove it up there a$$(like Madden used to do with Marv,Mark and Pete).Hue needs to start thinking the same way.
October 24th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
Vince young…Lmao. .. that Guy can’t throw if his life depended on it…. and we would surely need a shrink for him once he feels the pressure.. C’mon..
October 24th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
666 you gotta swing back when your getting beat up! Lol…
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