Coach Hue Jackson: Sky isn’t falling, Raiders in transition
By Steve Corkran
Monday, October 24th, 2011 at 3:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
It was darker than usual in the press room during coach Hue Jackson’s weekly news conference Monday, but that had everything to do with the lighting and nothing to do with a change in Jackson’s typical sunny disposition.
“No lights today?” Jackson asked. “Really dark in here today. Everybody think, all of a sudden it’s sorrow Monday or something? It’s not.”
No, Jackson said, it’s just the day after a bad loss to the Kansas City Chiefs and something that will be forgotten once the Raiders get through what he termed a transitional phase.
The biggest transition, of course, is weaving in quarterback Carson Palmer to an offense that performed well under Jason Campbell the first games but struggled under the guidance of Kyle Boller and Palmer on Sunday, with lead running back Darren McFadden sidelined for most of the game with a sprained right foot.
“Just a couple weeks ago, we were one of the better offenses in this league,” Jackson said, “and now all of a sudden, it’s like the wheels fell off. No, the wheels didn’t fall off. We didn’t all of a sudden become dumb on offense and not know what we’re doing. What we’re doing is we’re going through a transition period.”
Jackson said he is confident that the transition period won’t take long. Having two weeks before the next game certainly will help Palmer and the rest of the offense get up to speed.
Palmer arrived via trade with the Bengals last Tuesday. He played most of the second half Sunday despite participating in only three practices and memorizing about 10 percent of the playbook — his estimation, by the way.
“We’ve got to speed the process up as fast as we can,” Jackson said. “That’s pretty obvious, what needs to happen. How comfortable is he going to be? I can’t tell you he’s going to know them stone-cold by the time we play Denver, but he’ll have a better grasp of what this guy can do and what that guy can do based on situations because he’s going to have more practice time with those young men.”
Those young men would be the wide receivers. All who were interviewed Monday said they intend to stick around the Bay Area during their four days off during the bye week so that they can work with Palmer in an attempt to expedite the transition phase.
NO ON T.O.?
Veteran wide receiver Terrell Owens is scheduled to conduct a workout in Calabassas, Calif., on Tuesday. Media are invited to attend. So are NFL teams who are intersted in the services of a player with statistics worthy of induction into the Pro Football Hall of Fame.
Jackson said he was unaware of the workout. That doesn’t mean the Raiders won’t be there to kick the tires on Owens, to see if he might be able to upgrade the receiving corps.
“Our scouts go and see everybody work out,” Jackson said. “But I’m not actively chasing Terrell Owens, no.”
Jackson reportedly contacted Chad Ochocinco during training camp, when he was available via trade with the Cincinnati Bengals. So, why not Owens?
“I don’t know that he’s healthy yet,” Jackson said. “But anybody can improve the team. We’ve got to improve the team from inside out first. Now we have some pieces and now we just got to go re-piece this thing.”
CIRCUS NOT IN TOWN
There’s a widespread belief that the Raiders weren’t well prepared for the Chiefs on Sunday, in part because Jackson spent too much time toying with the idea of whether to start Palmer or Boller.
Nonsense, Jackson said. Quite the contrary.
“Our team practiced as well as we’ve practiced all year, this past week, and we went into the game and didn’t play that way,” Jackson said. “At the end of the day, a great practice only gives you an opportunity. You’ve got to go to the game and play really well.
“I don’t sense or feel that last week was so much about Carson. If it was, it wasn’t about me making it about Carson.”
MOORE HAS BEEN LESS
Rookie wide receiver Denarius Moore took the league by storm with a fast start this season. Suddenly, the player who looked immune to the pitfalls that tend to affect all rookies is looking like, well, a rookie.
“That’s a direct correlation to where we’ve been at quarterback lately,” Jackson said. “Once we get more stability there,” (things will be fine.) “The whole offense had kind of dropped off the last couple of weeks.”
Moore has 14 receptions for 212 yards and two touchdowns, as well as three rushes for 45 yards and a touchdown. Most of that came during Oakland’s first three games, though.
Perhaps another factor in Moore’s decline owes to the Raiders being 11 games into the season, including the four exhibition games. College players typically play 13 or 14 games, so this is about the time their bodies are accustomed to winding down.
“Players who were college players (last year) are looking at closing out and getting ready for bowl season,” Jackson said. “These guys are starting to exhale a little bit. We’re just now getting ready. Our football team is going to get ready to start playing again soon and getting better.”
Hence, the bye week comes at an ideal time for the rookies, as well as the injured players.
“This is a great time for some of these young guys,” Jackson said, “because we are playing quite a few of them. We need to continue to monitor that so that those guys can finish the season strong.”
MCFADDEN UPDATE
Jackson said running back Darren McFadden has a mid-foot sprain. McFadden walked into the team facility on crutches Monday morning, with his right foot in a protective boot.
McFadden will undergo tests throughout the week to monitor the injury and determine how much time he needs to heal. Jackson said he planned to give McFadden plenty of rest this week anyway.
“I’m hoping to get him back soon,” Jackson said. “I know one thing, one of my plans for him was to get him some rest this week, to get him back up and get him fresh because, obviously, when Darren is rolling, he’s one of the best backs in this league. So, we need to get him healthy.”
BOLLER BETTER THAN EDWARDS
Jackson scoffed at the suggestion that Trent Edwards outperformed Boller during training camp and exhbition games and that Boller made the team at the behest of managing general partner Al Davis.
“I don’t think that Trent outplayed Kyle,” Jackson said. “It was the other way around. We kept the best player based on what we were doing and, if you looked at the numbers, Kyle had played better than Trent.”
Boller was intercepted three times against the Chiefs before he was replaced by Palmer early in the third quarter. Even so, Jackson said he still feels comfortable using Boller if the need arises.
“There’s no question in my mind,” Jackson said.
He added that the way things unfolded wasn’t all Boller’s fault. The play of the offensive line and the receivers goes into it, as well.
“It was unfortunate and … when you see interceptions, the first thing you think is it’s the quarterback all the way,” Jackson said. “But it’s more than one person. It’s an offensive unit. It’s not just Kyle Boller.”
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October 24th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Go Raiders
October 24th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
We’ll be fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Quit effing around Jackson.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
WHAT WENT WRONG:
After action report…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
and why it won’t happen again
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
This is sweet:
http://jasoncampbellandjennymonteswedding.com/
October 24th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Huellywood gets a pass from any real questions regarding yesterdays bully beatdown…Lights, camera and….action….
October 24th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
4-3 is about where most of us thought we’d be going into the bye.
And we haven’t even played our best football yet.
We’ll be just fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Perfect storm. Unlikely to happen again
October 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
One bad blow up and the haters stream outa the wood work. The Palmer addition is a 2-3 yr answer not a quick fix band aid.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Mean ing Palmer will be expected to play well for the next 2-3 yr plan not that it will take him 2-3 yrs to get better.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss, first you claim to be sitting on loads of money (a pile of soiled diapers) and now you’re perving your way onto another dude’s wedding web site.
Obviously his wife set that whole thing up, if you’d ever dated a girl (they’re the ones who are not boys) you’d know they do dumb sentimental crap all the time.
So stop pleasuring yourself to images of a rich NFL QB living the life you wish you had, and concentrate on getting off the changing table without spraining your 12 year old weiner.
Idiot
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
7.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
4-3 is about where most of us thought we’d be going into the bye.
And we haven’t even played our best football yet.
We’ll be just fine.
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Agreed. And at least we got two over teams we could potentially be tied with for a possible playoff spot if we don’t win the division. That Buffalo loss makes me mad every time I think about it. We gave that one to ‘em…
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
This is sweet:
http://jasoncampbellandjennymonteswedding.com/
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One thing of note that I observed here is that Louis Murphy is one of the groomsmen for the wedding.
I think it speaks to the off the fireld closeness and relationship that Campbell has built with the receivers and how that was translating onto the field.
Jason is the best QB for the team RIGHT NOW when he’s healthy. Palmer can be that guy for us, but he’s gotta build that rapport and chemistry with the receivers.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
8,9….Hopefully the perfect storm was humbling…
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
*field
October 24th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
I thought Boller outplayed Edwards in preseason games.. no doubt about. But with that being said…. I still think Trent Edwards was the better qb..IMO
October 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Rookie wide receiver Denarius Moore took the league by storm with a fast start this season. Suddenly, the player who looked immune to the pitfalls that tend to affect all rookies is looking like, well, a rookie.
“That’s a direct correlation to where we’ve been at quarterback lately,” Jackson said. “Once we get more stability there,” (things will be fine.) “The whole offense had kind of dropped off the last couple of weeks.”
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Moore has been invisible for about 3 weeks.
Get ready for the read between the liners to have a field day with this.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Thought Edwards played better initially in preseason, then Boller beat him out pretty apparently.
He was a QB under Hue in Baltimore in 08, correct? Think that’s why he was brought in (in addition to being former 1st round pick deep thrower Al Davis Blue Plate special).
P.S. he sucks.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Actually,Jason isn’t the right QB for the team RIGHT NOW-he can’t play RIGHT NOW due to a broken collarbone.(Sorry,just being a smart-a$$,I know what you meant).
October 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Palmer will get past this and win some games I believe…ill give him a chance
October 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I actually think……. if hue came out and said McFadden questionable for Denver game… all the other players would feel a sense of urgency and play like Raiders. … because the entire team looked like they kinda mailed it in against the chiefs on Sunday. … they got what they deserved. …
October 24th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
Hard to fault Palmer.
He got valuable NFL reps and was humbled like a MF. Maybe good for him.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
no time to get down fellas…..we got sometime to sit back and thinking about where we really wanna be…starts with hue first
October 24th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
16…Hindsight is always impervious to scrutiny….The ability to read and react is probably a more telling advantage Edwards had over Boller…That does a lot of good now……
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
What we say yesterday from Boller was exactly who Boller is.Next week he could go out there and throw 3 TDs.The next,3 more ints.Erratic as hell.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Game after bye now becomes ENORMOUS.
We are 0-8 after bye last 8 years.
Can’t afford to slip to .500, especially against a division rival.
I know Tebow led a come back v. Miami but he was pretty lousy for 55+ minutes. Miaim was doing whatever they could to give Denver that game.
Good news? We get to play Miami!
October 24th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
As long as we beat down the donkeys and go into that Thursday night showdown in SD at 5-3 everything will work itself out and we will win division
October 24th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
saw*
October 24th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
lefty12 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
What we say yesterday from Boller was exactly who Boller is.Next week he could go out there and throw 3 TDs.The next,3 more ints.Erratic as hell.
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Good thing we will never know.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
26…First time that has been brought up…Your exactly right….
October 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Not even sure why Boller was allowed in the lockerroom at halftime.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Game after bye now becomes ENORMOUS.
We are 0-8 after bye last 8 years.
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we hadn’t won a primetime game in yrs, we did this yr., hadn’t won in tex, did it this yr., this yr we break that 0-8 after bye week streak.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Wonder if that Donkey game will be a sellout. Gotta figure this last game left a pretty bitter taste in not just the players’ mouths.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
bout to see football at it’s rawest, my kids football practice. OUT.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
32.raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Game after bye now becomes ENORMOUS.
We are 0-8 after bye last 8 years.
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we hadn’t won a primetime game in yrs, we did this yr., hadn’t won in tex, did it this yr., this yr we break that 0-8 after bye week streak.
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Amen
October 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
34.raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
bout to see football at it’s rawest, my kids football practice. OUT.
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where at?
October 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Only part of the offense I am worried about is DMac.
DMac = TDs. And the “threat” of the TD that he poses opens up the rest of the offense.
If DMac is healthy, we have no worries.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
And Hue, if you’re gonna get cute, at least execute.
We have seen, in back to back weeks, the pros and cons of that aggressive, sometimes fancy playcalling.
The life of an NFL head coach. If these work v. KC, Hue is a genius, LOL.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Too bad Boss is injured. 3rd concussion???? Gotta figure he’ll be out for a while.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
What do you expect hm to say about the awful boller has no choice but remain confident, who is going to sign Trent dilfer?
October 24th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
34.raideredoutL.A. Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
bout to see football at it’s rawest, my kids football practice. OUT.
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I think watching the kid and his friends run around and chase their own shadows is pretty damn entertaining.
He looks like a natural SS to me, but coach got him playing center. He’s already a better blocker than Reece.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
WR crew is real shaky right now.
Chaz and Hagan HAVE to be the 2nd and 3rd outside WRs.
Ford and Moore to the slot.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
We can afford a split with San Diego but would really like to see us go 3-1 against the NFC North. The stud RBs (Forte and AP) shouldn’t give us as much trouble as they do everyone else if the run D continues to improve from sideline to sideline, but Green Bay’s O is gonna be a headache. We’ll mess around and blow Detroit out if we’re on our A game, and as long as we don’t choke off the remaining Denver and KC games, and avenge our beatdown versus Miami from last year, we’ll be good. This is all possible IF Carson is who Hue thinks he is.
Best case scenario – Can actually see us going 11-5 if Carson fares well.
Worst case scenario – well, I don’t wanna think abou that ’cause I’m getting pissed thinking about it.
October 24th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
Anyone has got infos on time of recovery from a mid-foot sprain….?
October 24th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Jackson said. “We’ve got to improve the team from inside out first. Now we have some pieces and now we just got to go re-piece this thing.”
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re-piece this thing????
Going to be interesting to see how this translates.
Wouldn’t be surprised to see the Oline and WR depth chart shaken up.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
I mean even if you go big on the packages and put 10 blockers on the line and run every play the outcome would have been better than yesterdays…WOW….Not sure about the rest, but man this was a huge game with just tons of implications…Opportunity LOST….
October 24th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
JHill – Translation – Murphy is going to lose a lot of reps. Alligator arming passes, complaining for P.I. calls while the ball is still catchable, and a sh!tty demeanor can’t be helping his case.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
39.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Too bad Boss is injured. 3rd concussion???? Gotta figure he’ll be out for a while.
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and ya wonder why meyers aint been cut?
October 24th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Palmer
DMac
Reece/Tonga
DHB
Chaz
Ford – slot
Veldheer
Heyer
Wiz
Barnes
Barksdale
Gordon
October 24th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss, first you claim to be sitting on loads of money (a pile of soiled diapers) and now you’re perving your way onto another dude’s wedding web site.
Obviously his wife set that whole thing up, if you’d ever dated a girl (they’re the ones who are not boys) you’d know they do dumb sentimental crap all the time.
So stop pleasuring yourself to images of a rich NFL QB living the life you wish you had, and concentrate on getting off the changing table without spraining your 12 year old weiner.
Idiot
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You are accusing me of lying about my lifestyle and being a pervert? LMAO That is one of the funniest things I’ve heard in a while. You should be a comedian, instead of a clown. I don’t know why I even acknowledge you. I guess it’s because I feel sorry for you. Nobody else pays any attention to you.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
and ya wonder why meyers aint been cut?
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Time to mix Ausberry in the rotation at TE. We need a solid pass catching option at that position.
Gordon is a beast of a blocker. Meyers should be 3rd string.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Yeah, not sure that Meyers does anything well except make a special teams play once every two seasons.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
44…I am sure that he will play on the 6th…That sprain is a premature diagnosis…Would be best to wait for information regarding bone structure…
October 24th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
I don’t see any changes on D.
Can’t see Johnson taking his spot back from DVD.
Ndukwe might see more snaps. He looked pretty solid.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Meyers might not do anything spectacular, but he can stay on the field. Our other TEs haven’t exactly shown they’re the extra durable type. Would definitely like to see what Ausberry brings to the table if his blocking is sufficient (just no more TE end around reverses!)
October 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
we can win…..and we will win
October 24th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
26.LA to TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Game after bye now becomes ENORMOUS.
We are 0-8 after bye last 8 years.
Can’t afford to slip to .500, especially against a division rival.
I know Tebow led a come back v. Miami but he was pretty lousy for 55+ minutes. Miaim was doing whatever they could to give Denver that game.
Good news? We get to play Miami!
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Make that 1-8. As long as Tebow doesn’t get hurt, it’s the lock of the week. We are 5-3.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Boller was awful. But Hue gave him a disturbing gameplan to execute. 2 flea-flickers? yes, two of them. That first pick 6 was an out across the whole field, from the other hashmark. Wow. Dialing up some BS playcalling made things worse. You call those plays when your up 14 to 0 and catch a defenese trying to get after you, not when your down with prob the worst QB on any NFL roster at the moment. Palmer vs Tebow will be interesting.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Let’s win in two weeks.
Oaklanders, please go to the game.
I’m out.
Be good.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
58…Most disturbing fact from yesterdays poker game and every time Huellywood got called with his Doyle Brunson, Haley came up ACES……..%@%&&$+*&*?$)6&) XJHUU…..!!!!!!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Albert Puss, you respond to me because you wish you were me. Pretty simple, numnuts.
Even having a blog dialogue with someone so much cooler than yourself makes you imagine you’re cool also.
Obviously it’s not the case, but it gives me a good chuckle at your expense. So I allow it.
Now stay off Kyle Boller’s wedding web site or I’ll make you sit quietly in the corner of the blog.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
just no more TE end around reverses
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Yeah that was another one of Hue’s ridiculous gimmick plays.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
we will learn from these first 7 weeks…and be hell the next 14-15…yeah i said it…the next 14-15….wanna fight about it? lol
October 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
MaddenAlexSullivanPaineHarvelson44 is a joke…get a woman and canced your lifetime supply shipments of Johnson and Johnson lotion….time to lay the pipe to a woman for once and not live to start schit on the blog
October 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
That first pick 6 was an out across the whole field, from the other hashmark.
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For the safety to be the one that picked off that pass, just shows you Boller stared down the WR way too long. I could see if the corner who was guarding the guy picked it off, but the safety, on an out route???
Why not just dump it off to the TE or RB? We only need 6 yds.
Boller choked, plain and simple.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Seriously,I can’t think about a reason that could prevent you californian people to go to a game….(apart from economic issues,of course…)
I’d give everything to be able to,but I’m stuck in Rome,Italy,rooting and suffering every late night in pc streaming for my Raiders….!
Only One Nation…..and trust me guys,we are a lot bleeding silver and black even if overseas…..! I luv u all,bros….even MR,for God’s sake…!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
65.J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
That first pick 6 was an out across the whole field, from the other hashmark.
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For the safety to be the one that picked off that pass, just shows you Boller stared down the WR way too long. I could see if the corner who was guarding the guy picked it off, but the safety, on an out route???
Why not just dump it off to the TE or RB? We only need 6 yds.
Boller choked, plain and simple.
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Hue’s fault…3rd and 1 and gimmick calls again led to that
October 24th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Hey now Method. Pay up your $20 and then you can lump me with Madden and Sullivan to your heart’s content.
Deadbeat
October 24th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Just to clarify….The attempted post game discussion with the opposing coach wasn’t about Hali trying to injure Carson…It was about why did you want to slap me some more with blitzes and passes when the game was almost over…I am a bully and you wanted to beat me up some more…Pathetic….
October 24th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
MaddenAlexSullivanPaineHarvelson44 is a joke…get a woman and canced your lifetime supply shipments of Johnson and Johnson lotion….time to lay the pipe to a woman for once and not live to start schit on the blog
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I have a girlfriend. And, she’s not like the toothless crack whores you bang.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
The way the defense was attacking us yesterday, we should have been able to hit some passes. A QB good enough to start in the NFL should be able to complete some degree of passes that the offense calls for.
Agree with Hue that the pass protection was not very good yesterday. Boller took huge hits on his 2nd and 3rd ints.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
68.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Hey now Method. Pay up your $20 and then you can lump me with Madden and Sullivan to your heart’s content.
Deadbeat
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im not sending it to a elemnarty school bruh….and u didnt even know who the singlers were….shows u been lying
October 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
70.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
MaddenAlexSullivanPaineHarvelson44 is a joke…get a woman and canced your lifetime supply shipments of Johnson and Johnson lotion….time to lay the pipe to a woman for once and not live to start schit on the blog
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I have a girlfriend. And, she’s not like the toothless crack whores you bang.
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your cat doesnt count MR
October 24th, 2011 at 4:30 pm
Raiderinparadise,
you know nobody forced Boller to throw that out route that was double-covered. Plenty of other options on that play.
Hue wasn’t going to sit there and try running the ball 30 times into an 8-man front going 3-and-out every drive. Bush wasn’t running all that well 1st quarter.
At some point Boller was going to have to make plays. Whether it was the first 10 plays or the 3rd quarter doesn’t make much of a difference.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
and coveniently the Alex7 character shows up lolololol
October 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Well. I am man enough to admit when I am wrong. but MAN I had no idea how wrong I was.
Boller totally let me down. I am wondering why we have such a weak azz back up on this team? we need to get some one better than that for a back up.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Method,
you don’t get to pick where you send the money. It isn’t yours anymore.
Plus you don’t seem to have the computer skills to use Paypal
And I could care less about basketball, thus could care less about the Singlers or his dad coaching the football team.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
B,
If a 3rd and 6 on an opening drive means the game is over, then that’s pretty sad.
How many 3rd and forevers has this offense been in all season and ended up winning?
Hue has been doing dumb shiidd all season.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
conveniently a teacher’s job ends around 4.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
If Hue spreads the offense at the goal line instead of trying to run up the middle four times in a row, it’s a different ball game.
If DVD stays inbounds and runs for 6 on his interception, it’s a different ball game.
If McFadden doesn’t get hurt on his second play, it’s a different ball game.
We had problems after losing our QB, our kicker, and our best player.
We will be better after the bye.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
77.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Method,
you don’t get to pick where you send the money. It isn’t yours anymore.
Plus you don’t seem to have the computer skills to use Paypal
And I could care less about basketball, thus could care less about the Singlers or his dad coaching the football team.
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yeah nice of you to finally address it after so long….ALEX…if you come to a game ill give you 100 bucks….how bout that?
October 24th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Alex….email b auce_2010@yahoo.com and we can talk further son
October 24th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Watching some footage of the locker room with the players on Comcast Sports TV.
Satele is TOO SMALL to be the center.
Barksdale made Satele look like a High School player standing next to him.
That’s why Satele get’s constantly rag dolled and pancaked during the game. We gotta replace him and Carlisle.
I can’t keep singing that song enough.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
ANYONE miss Bruce Gradkowski? I do.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Albert Puss, that was the least believable “I have a girlfriend” line I’ve ever heard on the blog.
At least when other blog sad sacks try to convince everyone they’re not total losers, they brag about a make believe girlfriend with some conviction.
In other words, you have to believe the lie if you hope others will too.
Try it again lil Albert, this time with some confidence.
This should be hilarious.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Yesterdays game was pretty much a lock for the chefs. 2 games removed form the death of coach Davis and the QB parade, Jano out, injuries up and down the roster spelled guaranteed win for KC.
We will beat denver, guaranteed! 2 weeks of practice, 2 weeks to steam over being shutout at home, time to heal, and the HUGE difference between 4-4 & 5-3. Hue will have the troops ready for blood.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
RaiderTiv,
almost every team in the NFL has a scrub back-up QB. It’s a simple supply/demand thing.
Curtis Painter, Jimmy Clausen, Derek Anderson, JT O’Sullivan, Matt Moore, Dennis Dixon, Bruce Gradkowski, Charlie Whitehurst…
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
The Oline has to be addressed. JC had been getting clobbered since the Houston game, and they continued to play the role of matador yesterday.
As they say, once it gets on film, other teams will copy what worked against us.
Got to get that Oline fixed.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
lol Method. I don’t want to spend $400 to go watch the Raiders just to collect. Like $120 just in gas. I’ll email ya.
The stadium and surrounding area is terrible.
Do love the crepes at Ti Couz though.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Might be worth it for a shot of that infamous Method clear drink though!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
The Oline has to be addressed. JC had been getting clobbered since the Houston game, and they continued to play the role of matador yesterday.
As they say, once it gets on film, other teams will copy what worked against us.
Got to get that Oline fixed.
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It was obvious to us all against Houston that the O-line needed work, when the Texans had been stopping Mcfadden all game until Satele got hurt, and WizII moved to Center.
Then all of a sudden Mcfadden started breaking consecutive long ones against their defense.
If that’s not obvious, I don’t know what is.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
If Hue spreads the offense at the goal line instead of trying to run up the middle four times in a row, it’s a different ball game.
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I thought that would have been a good place to see Pryor. Ist and goal from the 4 yd line I think it was.
Bush has GOT to get in the endzone though.
I thought the most laugable play on that drive was his attempt to dive over the pile.
That shiidd was HILARIOUS!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
90.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Might be worth it for a shot of that infamous Method clear drink though!
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hahahahahaha thats funny…you may not be MR
October 24th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
89.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
lol Method. I don’t want to spend $400 to go watch the Raiders just to collect. Like $120 just in gas. I’ll email ya.
The stadium and surrounding area is terrible.
Do love the crepes at Ti Couz though.
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surrounding area is awesome i love it
October 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I don’t care what the play-calling was, Bush got FOUR carries from the 5 yard line, and didn’t put it in.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
All Method would have to do is put the football on the tip of his you-know-what and it would score from 5 yards out
October 24th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
96.alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
All Method would have to do is put the football on the tip of his you-know-what and it would score from 5 yards out
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Sorry but that doesnt hold cuz im not a pinnochio character
October 24th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Agreed, ArmChair.
Was no coinkydink that DMac had huge holes to run through once Satele got out of there. Wiz is a different kinda blocker, lol. He should be up to speed on the line calls now. Time to start him at C.
Veldheer
Heyer
Wiz
Barnes
I’m on the fence with who should start at RG. I know it shouldn’t be Carlisle any longer, but we probably do need a vet next to Wiz
October 24th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Alex…guess what? My face has been seen as my remy bottles
October 24th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
anyways out of the job site….oops i mean the weed spot where i sell drugs all my life lol
October 24th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
I don’t care what the play-calling was, Bush got FOUR carries from the 5 yard line, and didn’t put it in.
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Ricky Williams would have put that in the end zone with no problem.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Brian baldinger. … just said on l.a. radio klac. .. That the Raiders are in trouble… insinuated that Palmer does not have the same arm strength that he had a few yrs ago…
October 24th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Brian baldinger. … just said on l.a. radio klac. .. That the Raiders are in trouble… insinuated that Palmer does not have the same arm strength that he had a few yrs ago…
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And what makes this guy an expert? We should listen to him anymore than we listen to the rest of the media that hates on us constantly because of what again????
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Brian baldinger. … just said on l.a. radio klac. .. That the Raiders are in trouble… insinuated that Palmer does not have the same arm strength that he had a few yrs ago…
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Was Brian Baldinger at the game? No. I was, and I have seen Palmers arm before and he was fine. It was the rest of the team that blew.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
# lefty12 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
Mistic,Palmer wasn’t supposed to play.Boller was worse than just stinking up the place.HJ asked him if he wanted to go in-that is what HJ said today in his press conference.Palmer said hell ya,lets go.You find it troubling our QB wanted to get in a game and get his feet wet because the original plan was for him to not play?I’d find it more troubling if he didn’t want to play and so would everyone else-including you.
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i know you are one of these guys sprung on the carson palmer golden boy hype, but i dont like the fact that he attempted to make an excuse for his short comings. Its too much like the bungles, we are the raiders
October 24th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Well if the former chief and owner of the most crooked finger in the world is correct…What does that say about Huellywood……
October 24th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Arguing about calls is missing almost everything. That game was all about the QB play and it was damn pathetic for the Raiders. Its just that simple. Those passes Boller attempted were beyond pathetic. It had nothing to do with calls. You cannot run the ball every single down. Your QB needs to be able to at least complete a pass downfield.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Who cares what Baldy has to say.
Obviously, these guys are not paying attention to our offense. Palmer was not brought here to be Tom Brady or Aaron Rogers like.
As long as Palmer can had the ball off to DMac, our offense will be fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
I had the Raiders at 3-4 at the bye. I’m not so sure now after Sunday if this team can earn a playoff spot. I am hopeful but if Palmer can’t get it together we’re toast, especially if McFragile misses extensive time.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Mystic….No excuses were made….Just when I thought how feeble your blatant bias was overcome….Take another step back and then go forward….
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
lol how DARE Palmer admit he only knew 10% of the playbook, didn’t know the protection schemes yet, or the audibles, didn’t know his teammates for more than 3 days, has no timing with the WRs, hasn’t played in 280 days, and this was the equivalent of his first July practice!!
The gall!
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Maryland….The playcalling and its selection were as PATHETIC as the quarterback play……
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
An impressive win coming off the bye against a weak opponent at home is a must. Anything less and I’m going to be worried.
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
@j hill
that guard would be b campbell
October 24th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
111….The audacity and sheer ignorance of such comments…..Huellywood….Coming to a theater near you….
October 24th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
Carson’s arm looked fine to me. He fit 2 big time throws to DHB in tight windows.
Its crazy to think of for some of you, but DHB comes through once again. This guy is formally leaving Crabdiva and almost every other WR in the draft in the dust (pardon the pun). 18th in receptions amount WRs and 15th in yds …climbing the charts.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
It cracks me up seeing all the media talking heads passing judgment on Palmer after seeing one appearance with no meaningful preparation. They want to be able to say “told you so”, knowing that if they’re wrong no one will remember.
I’ll wait until he has a chance to learn the offense, get the practices in and manage a few games. I for one hope he isn’t trying to be the Palmer of old. I want to see some patience, some smart decisions, and getting rid of the ball instead of risking a pick or taking a sack.
If he’s got the arm strength to strike deep once the defense starts to load up the box, then that’s a bonus I’ll gladly take.
We need a QB that takes away Hue’s inexplicable need to dial up the crazy schmidt calls.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Twocents Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
An impressive win coming off the bye against a weak opponent at home is a must. Anything less and I’m going to be worried.
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Anything less and the pitch forks come out.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
i know you are one of these guys sprung on the carson palmer golden boy hype, but i dont like the fact that he attempted to make an excuse for his short comings.
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Can someone come up with an example of a guy who played Q in the NFL after 3 practices with his new team? I thought that might have happened with Favre but even he had an entire preseason before playing with the Jets and Jokings.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Brian baldinger. … just said on l.a. radio klac. .. That the Raiders are in trouble… insinuated that Palmer does not have the same arm strength that he had a few yrs ago…
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Was Brian Baldinger at the game? No. I was, and I have seen Palmers arm before and he was fine. It was the rest of the team that blew.
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Baldinger was asked if hue handled it correctly and Baldy says no he should have known Boller wasn’t the guy a long time ago for these instances. As if all the other nfl teams have great backups, dumbfu#k. Also talked about the weakness in Palmers arm on the pick six. That was just a mistake that yes he owned up to. Keep adding fuel to the fire media we’re steamrolling f’ers after the bye and even giving Green Bay their first loss
October 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
dont let us become the bungles of the west palmer, just shut up, spread the ball, and avoid those back breaking picks.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
If Boller played decent no one would be talking about the playcalling, simple as that. If Boller played decent we don’t get pick sixes, we don’t turn the ball over numerous times, we dont put the defense or offense in bad position all game, we don’t try Bush 4 times at the GL, and Palmer doesn’t come in the game after 1H.
This game snowballed from the QB down.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
Ghost,
to be fair, Palmer led the league in completion % once in his career, and has a very high 63% completion rate for his career.
He’s able to be smart AND take shots down the field at the same time. It’s what made him a Pro-Bowler.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
i know you are one of these guys sprung on the carson palmer golden boy hype, but i dont like the fact that he attempted to make an excuse for his short comings.
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Can someone come up with an example of a guy who played Q in the NFL after 3 practices with his new team? I thought that might have happened with Favre but even he had an entire preseason before playing with the Jets and Jokings.
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not sure why you attched this to my post. My post was about what he did after the game, not on the field
October 24th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
I would GLADLY become the Bengals of the west.
Two playoff appearances AND a 10-6 record 3 of his last 5 seasons.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
As if all the other nfl teams have great backups, dumbfu#k.
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So true. Name me 3 teams with a back up that any other team in the league might be trying to target him as their #1…
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Hey…it’s STILL a great week to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
I had a nightmare. I was at a Raiders game, but the team was asleep. Then I woke up, and it really was a Raiders game. But the team was still asleep. For an entire game! It still feels like it really didn’t happen. Are you fockin kidding me?
Hue Jax is right on the money…HE is responsible for getting the team ready to play…and this was one of the Raiders worst-ever losses, when they were “expected” to win, or at the very least, compete.
With Al’s passing…the big road win in Texas, even with all the distractions…losing Campbell, bringing in CPalmer, and more circus media…losing Janikowski…this team lost its game day focus.
It’s Hue’s job to coach football players, and make sure they’re ready to play on game day. With all his candid takes (and vague ones), we know he was plenty busy lately…but the team needs a singular focus: They’re ALL there to WIN ball games. Even veteran professionals need to be laser-focused to win.
We’ve got a lot of young players, and a first-time Head Coach who need to re-focus their attention. It’s good the WR’s are wanting to work this week…they all need it. Need proof extra work leads to success?? May I introduce you to DHB?
I think as off-field things settle down, Hue Jax will get everybody back on the same page…and in a few weeks, we’ll have a chance to get back-to-back wins again.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I dont think palmer should have played at all, it isnt fair to send a guy out after 3 days.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Must win game in 12 days.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
by the way the post surger carson palmer in 09 lead the bengals to the playoffs
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
We’ve got a lot of young players, and a first-time Head Coach who need to re-focus their attention.
I think as off-field things settle down, Hue Jax will get everybody back on the same page…and in a few weeks, we’ll have a chance to get back-to-back wins again.
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i agree 100%^
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Palmer was being quite reasonable and normal in his post-game interview.
For him to have sat there and tried to be nacho libre talking about how “It’s all my fault! I let the team down! There’s no excuse for how I played today!” would have sounded overdone, dumb, and pointless.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
And Palmer would not have played if Boller did anything worth a damn.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
128.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I dont think palmer should have played at all, it isnt fair to send a guy out after 3 days.
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On the bright side, his numbers were comparable to Boller who had a year and a half to study the playbook and know his teamates.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
lol, very true Carl.
I do kinda feel bad for Kyle. I mean, I’m sure he tried and was hoping to impress SOMEONE in the NFL. Instead he had to take those long walks to the sidelines listening to a parade of boos.
Gotta hurt the ego.
(insert wife fix joke here).
October 24th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
I’m willing to bet Hue gave Boller his choice plays after 1H and the deal was if he showed anything Hue would stick with him. If not he’s benched ….well, 1 series and in comes Palmer. Thats why you saw 3 straight throws.
Palmer came in and we began throwing and running again.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm
# alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
I would GLADLY become the Bengals of the west.
Two playoff appearances AND a 10-6 record 3 of his last 5 seasons.
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This is the difference between us. The bungles are a train wreck and have fluctuated wildly on the field from season to season. This is due to a sever lack of leadership. They have been talented but out of control. You want that?
Not me. i like the arch we were on going back to stabilizing our qb position, and developing our players last year. our 4-2 star was good, and even in losses the team stayed together. No excuses just commitments to work and get better. That is how you build for the ultimate prize.
The bungles are like cheese burgers from macdevils. It might taste ok but it is very bad for you. Palmer was a part of that trash in cincy, he needs to change his stripes in oakland or we are screwed.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
# Carl Weathers Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
128.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
I dont think palmer should have played at all, it isnt fair to send a guy out after 3 days.
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On the bright side, his numbers were comparable to Boller who had a year and a half to study the playbook and know his teamates.
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no question palmer is a far better player than boller
October 24th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
that guard would be b campbell
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I’d be inclined to agree with you except for the fact that the guy has been inactive. And the fact that Barksdale AND Heyer are getting reps at OG in the games before Campbell does.
Not sure what is going on with Campbell and Hue Jackson. I mean, how hard is it to play frickin guard????
October 24th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
# alex7 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Palmer was being quite reasonable and normal in his post-game interview.
For him to have sat there and tried to be nacho libre talking about how “It’s all my fault! I let the team down! There’s no excuse for how I played today!” would have sounded overdone, dumb, and pointless.
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dude i get it your in love with the golden boy, but he doesnt need your excuses.
He is a pro, all he needs to say is i played badly i need to improve. Rationalizing failure is the same as accepting it.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
If Boller played decent no one would be talking about the playcalling,
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We talk about the playcalling every week. Even when we win. A certain group of us have been asking Hue to get rid of so much gimmick stuff since opening night when he tried to “feature” Jacoby Ford.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
We all(well some were livin a pipe dream) knew that Boller was who we thought he was.
At least this wasn’t a loss like a Cable blowout loss after a good game. So many factors pointed to us lising this game. Anyways on to the donks.
Cheers guys!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Last time I checked, Palmer is a man too. Which means that he like all NFL players have a measure of PRIDE.
He is also facing a lot of scrutiny and questions.
Why did he demand a trade from Cincy?
Is he healthy?
Is he too old?
Is he a bust or will he ever live up to his potential?
Can he take the Raiders to the Promised Land?
So I don’t expect him to say HEY GUYS THIS WAS ALL MY FAULT.
He took responsibility for his mistakes, but also reminded the tabloid hungry media that he just got here, has barely gotten any reps, and has ZERO timing with his receivers.
Nothing wrong with what he said at all. Some of you guys are just nit picking.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
DMC in a boot is the big story now.
If it’s a serious injury (aren’t they all?), Taiwan Jones better be ready to play 20 snaps a game, touching the ball at least 10 times.
And, big Mike Bush better be ready to carry this team when it needs him the most. CPalmer3 might be good in a few weeks…but he’ll be REAL good if the running game stays top-3, regardless of who’s back there.
Right now, I’m even more glad than I was a week ago that the Raiders didn’t trade MBush29. He can make the pain of losing your #1 QB and your #1 RB a lot more tolerable.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
and avoid those back breaking picks.
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There was a throw JC made in the Buffalo game that looked like a sure pick until D Moore showed off his verts and snatched it from the other team’s CB. JC talked about how you see other team WRs routinely making those plays and he’s glad he has someone who will go get the ball at it’s highest point.
D Moore flat out dropped a ball on his hands that turned into one of Palmer’s picks.
The other was a ball he put up and expected Murphy to go make a play on like JC was talking about.
Only throw I though was bad was his pick 6. Bad read, as he said. Knew it as the ball was coming outta his hand.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Last time I checked, Palmer is a man too. Which means that he like all NFL players have a measure of PRIDE.
He is also facing a lot of scrutiny and questions.
Why did he demand a trade from Cincy?
Is he healthy?
Is he too old?
Is he a bust or will he ever live up to his potential?
Can he take the Raiders to the Promised Land?
So I don’t expect him to say HEY GUYS THIS WAS ALL MY FAULT.
He took responsibility for his mistakes, but also reminded the tabloid hungry media that he just got here, has barely gotten any reps, and has ZERO timing with his receivers.
Nothing wrong with what he said at all. Some of you guys are just nit picking.
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hmmm I can see your point.
The only problem with it for me is the fact that this has alays been the way he conducts himself. Its never his fault. isnt that one of the things we despised about jamrcuss, lack of accountability?
This is his chance to change the perception and show leadership. If he can pipe down and get us 4-5 wins, maybe we can consider him more of a leader. he didnt lead the bungles, and he hasnt had a good start her.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
# J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
and avoid those back breaking picks.
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There was a throw JC made in the Buffalo game that looked like a sure pick until D Moore showed off his verts and snatched it from the other team’s CB. JC talked about how you see other team WRs routinely making those plays and he’s glad he has someone who will go get the ball at it’s highest point.
D Moore flat out dropped a ball on his hands that turned into one of Palmer’s picks.
The other was a ball he put up and expected Murphy to go make a play on like JC was talking about.
Only throw I though was bad was his pick 6. Bad read, as he said. Knew it as the ball was coming outta his hand.
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no no I meant back breaking picks that he throws throughout his career. How well did you expect him to play after 3 practices?
having said that you must realize that he throws a lot of picks. I would be happy with less td passes and less yardage if he can avoid the picks that have dogged him. Again last year he threw 20 5 returned for touchdowns! this is alarming to me
October 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
I would take Hue Jack’s playcalling over anything we had in the past 2 decades lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
I was under the impression “WE ARE BUILDING A BULLY” all of the tricky plays, this dude is riding…..??????? THat’s not Bully ball to me…. IS IT ????
October 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Bush runs too high.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
This bye week is the time to stir up the OL. Move Wiz to center and put Barksdale at LG. Can’t say I know more than the coaches, but I think they have to do something.
I feel B. Campbell may never make it, he is either injury prone or he is a slow learner. Don’t know what to think about him.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
There was nothing wrong with Hue Jacks playcalling for J.Ford opening night, there was definitely something wrong with J.Ford! And still is!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
stupid f*cking reporters trying to say edwards outplayed boller. in what mind? when they signed edwards, i thought he was an interesting guy, maybe a qb to develop. by the end of preseason, it was clear he sucked. i have never been high on boller, but he was obviously better. reporters are scumbags.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
“We didn’t lose much of the leadership of this team, really.”
-andre whitworth cincy bungles on carsons palmers departure
October 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Palmer didn’t lead in Cincy??
Ever hear of Chad Ocho Johnson? Carson Palmer was trying to conduct an Offense, while baby-sitting one of the League’s biggest egos and prima donnas in Ocho Johnson.
While toeing the company line for the longest time, Palmer was one of the steadiest members of a floundering franchise. This year’s Cincy wins 4-games, and everybody forgets what a fiasco that place was/is. It’s a wonder anybody makes it out of that place with anything left of their once-promising careers.
And his post-game answers are pretty spot-on. No excuses for himself, and telling it the way he sees it. He’s always been that way, and I’ll take it. If Palmer’s 90% the player he was for Cincy, he’ll march the Raiders right into the Playoffs.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
“We didn’t lose much of the leadership of this team, really.”
-andre whitworth
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Andre Whitworth said that? Oh Sh**! Who is Andre Whitworth?
October 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Palmer didn’t lead in Cincy??
Ever hear of Chad Ocho Johnson? Carson Palmer was trying to conduct an Offense, while baby-sitting one of the League’s biggest egos and prima donnas in Ocho Johnson.
While toeing the company line for the longest time, Palmer was one of the steadiest members of a floundering franchise. This year’s Cincy wins 4-games, and everybody forgets what a fiasco that place was/is. It’s a wonder anybody makes it out of that place with anything left of their once-promising careers.
And his post-game answers are pretty spot-on. No excuses for himself, and telling it the way he sees it. He’s always been that way, and I’ll take it. If Palmer’s 90% the player he was for Cincy, he’ll march the Raiders right into the Playoffs.
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perhaps i am overstating it. i hope so
October 24th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Palmer is going to make or break Hue. Hue has put all his eggs in the Palmer basket. I actually think that Hue will pull it off.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
AndreW Whitworth is a lineman. Methinks he doesn’t like CP3’s signing w/ the Raiders. I’d put what he says about Palmer right up there with anything WSapp says about the Raiders. Translation: It doesn’t go up there too high.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Hue Jackson brought us here we have to trust him.
He obviously has more power than any other head coach in the NFL its either going to turn us into champions or we go back to where we were these last 9 years.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
119.Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
i know you are one of these guys sprung on the carson palmer golden boy hype, but i dont like the fact that he attempted to make an excuse for his short comings.
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Can someone come up with an example of a guy who played Q in the NFL after 3 practices with his new team? I thought that might have happened with Favre but even he had an entire preseason before playing with the Jets and Jokings.
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http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-game-highlights/09000d5d803458e1/Week-6-Vinny-Testaverde-highlights
Testaverde had four days of practice and whooped the Cardinals. At 43 yrs old!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
having said that you must realize that he throws a lot of picks.
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I know he threw a lot of picks last year with TO and 85.
Not trying to sound like Hue, but I really don’t care about the last couple of years with Palmer as long as his arm is healthy now.
I say this mainly because of how I envision our offense being run. If this has to be “Carson Palmer’s Team”, then we are not going to go very far. I don’t think we have the WRs to play that type of game, and I don’t know that Palmer is that type of QB.
As long as we can lean on our running game and get points out of that, our offense will be just fine.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
158.Twocents Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Palmer is going to make or break Hue. Hue has put all his eggs in the Palmer basket. I actually think that Hue will pull it off.
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Nah. Hue has 2 lives ..if Palmer doesn’t work he’s got another shot with Pryor. Dude’s well positioned for this thing over the next few years.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
It’s an offensive unit. It’s not just Kyle Boller.
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BULLSH!T
October 24th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
I realize there are going to be times when out running game is going to stall. But that should be because defenses are gearing up for it and respecting it.
As long as that is happening, our WRs should be able to work against single coverage and zone defenses.
Carson Palmer should not have problem throwing against that.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
AndreW Whitworth is a lineman. Methinks he doesn’t like CP3’s signing w/ the Raiders. I’d put what he says about Palmer right up there with anything WSapp says about the Raiders. Translation: It doesn’t go up there too high.
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Actually I know who Andre Whitworth is. He is a pretty good tackle. Does sound like sour grapes to me tho.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
hmmm I can see your point.
The only problem with it for me is the fact that this has alays been the way he conducts himself. Its never his fault. isnt that one of the things we despised about jamrcuss, lack of accountability?
This is his chance to change the perception and show leadership. If he can pipe down and get us 4-5 wins, maybe we can consider him more of a leader. he didnt lead the bungles, and he hasnt had a good start her.
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I see your point as well Mistic. But consider this:
When I see Palmer with all of the receivers on the roster huddled together during the game, giving them tips and suggestions, that is LEADERSHIP.
When you see him be the first player on record to say that there is no BYE WEEK for him, because he will be studying and practicing the entire time, that is LEADERSHIP.
As a result, all of his receivers and healthy running backs are following suit and volunteering to practice on their time off as well.
Leadership is not just what you say, it is what you DO.
Furthermore, you are implying that Palmer took NO responsibility at all! I’m not sure what press conference you saw, but I saw him CLEARLY take responsibility for his mistakes, ESPECIALLY for the pick 6.
Bro I think it is YOU who is not being balanced. You want him to take ALL the blame and not stick up for himself at all.
And what’s funny is how many times have we heard Jason Campbell bring up the fact that…
“I haven’t played in the same system for more than one year.” or
“I have had to play with a different offensive coordinator every single year.”
That sounds like the same manner of statement that Palmer made to me!
Does that make Jason Campbell LESS of a Leader, or stand up guy, because he has pointed this out constantly, to explain the mistakes that HE has made on the field?
Mistic, Don’t have a double standard bruh!
October 24th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
ere was nothing wrong with Hue Jacks playcalling for J.Ford opening night
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I disagree.
Jacoby Ford is a WR. Don’t need to see him in the wildcat. Use Taiwan Jones. I think we ran a sweep to him early too. Why, when DMac and Bush are healthy?
Just not a fan of the gimmicks with all the talent we have. Just line Ford up in the slot and call some different routes for him if you want to feature him. Run a simple reverse.
Didn’t like it then, and didn’t like the gimmicks last season either.
October 24th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
I’m not going to judge Palmer too critically from his Cincy days. I remember hearing about his WRs not running the proper routes ..cutting routes shot, etc.
Palmer’s arm and accuracy looked pretty good to me with only a few days of practice, and he looked willing to make throws JC would not try. If he can reduce the turnovers (likely with a better run game) and make more throws than his predecessor, this offense should be a step above what it has been once CP learns everything.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
If the Raiders lose to the Bronos, yes the sky is falling
real badly.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
167.ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
hmmm I can see your point.
The only problem with it for me is the fact that this has alays been the way he conducts himself. Its never his fault. isnt that one of the things we despised about jamrcuss, lack of accountability?
This is his chance to change the perception and show leadership. If he can pipe down and get us 4-5 wins, maybe we can consider him more of a leader. he didnt lead the bungles, and he hasnt had a good start her.
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I see your point as well Mistic. But consider this:
When I see Palmer with all of the receivers on the roster huddled together during the game, giving them tips and suggestions, that is LEADERSHIP.
When you see him be the first player on record to say that there is no BYE WEEK for him, because he will be studying and practicing the entire time, that is LEADERSHIP.
As a result, all of his receivers and healthy running backs are following suit and volunteering to practice on their time off as well.
Leadership is not just what you say, it is what you DO.
Furthermore, you are implying that Palmer took NO responsibility at all! I’m not sure what press conference you saw, but I saw him CLEARLY take responsibility for his mistakes, ESPECIALLY for the pick 6.
Bro I think it is YOU who is not being balanced. You want him to take ALL the blame and not stick up for himself at all.
And what’s funny is how many times have we heard Jason Campbell bring up the fact that…
“I haven’t played in the same system for more than one year.” or
“I have had to play with a different offensive coordinator every single year.”
That sounds like the same manner of statement that Palmer made to me!
Does that make Jason Campbell LESS of a Leader, or stand up guy, because he has pointed this out constantly, to explain the mistakes that HE has made on the field?
Mistic, Don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Jamarcus stuck up for himself and was derided as a guy who couldn’t lead his way out of a paper bag.
ArmChair, don’t have a double standard bruh!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Testaverde had four days of practice and whooped the Cardinals. At 43 yrs old!!!
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That’s the one I was thinking about. Of course vinny sucked the next five weeks badly right after this game.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I am putting this in large letters so that people don’t miss it:
RE: RAIDER PREDICTION BOARD
SINCE EVERYONE PICKED THE RAIDERS TO WIN (SIGH) I DON’T FELL THERE WAS ANY WINNER THIS WEEK.
IF YA DISAGREE, FEEL FREE TO LEAVE A MESSAGE ABOUT IT.
MEANWHILE, I AM GOING TO SOAK MY HEAD AND TRY TO FORGET SUNDAY. THAT WAS JUST A PRESEASON GAME, RIGHT?
I WE DON’T GO TO THE PLAYOFFS BECAUSE OF THAT GAME, I WILL BE VERY ANGRY.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
As I have seen stated here before I believe the starting o-line are the players
that the staff is most comfortable with pass blocking.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
SORRY FELL IS FEEL.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
I’m not sure if you guys notice but J.Ford is not catching the ball cleanly. He’s doing a lot of double catchign and letting the ball get into his body. Thats why you are seeing these balls pop off his pads. Maybe there is somethign to hand size and all in the NFL?
Dude’s a gamer though, once he is right.
JHill – Ford was a nervous wreck opening night. Hue was getting the ball to his best playmakers and letting them do what they do …make plays. Sure it was a little too cute, or really, too much too soon for a young team on MNF but I got what he was doing. He dialed it back. And we won the game. Thanks in part to some clever playcalling.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
AND I WAS IF. THANK GOD THE BYE WEEK IS HERE.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:04 pm
172.Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Testaverde had four days of practice and whooped the Cardinals. At 43 yrs old!!!
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That’s the one I was thinking about. Of course vinny sucked the next five weeks badly right after this game.
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Proof it can be done though. I mean, what the hell was he doing at practice those three days? Not saying he should have lead us back to victory, but that performance was terrible. Just like I was with JC, I’m in wait-and-see mode with this guy. Very nervous.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
When was JaMarcus ever mistaken for a professional QB? He had the world at his enormous feet, and ruined any chance at success himself.
Jason Campbell and Carson Palmer both comport themselves as professionals…and JaMarcus doesn’t even belong in the same sentence.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Jamarcus stuck up for himself and was derided as a guy who couldn’t lead his way out of a paper bag.
ArmChair, don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Debo, do you look at the stuff you type before you press SUBMIT?
Jamarcus had substance abuse issues, came to camp out of shape, did not work at his craft, did not do anything on his own to buld a rapport with his receivers, never went to a Pro Bowl, couldn’t complete a simple screen pass, missed wide open receivers in practice, and has been turned down by EVERY SINGLE team in the league.
Even his personal Life Coach and Mentor gave up on him.
And yet you fixed your fingers to type the name Jamarcus Russell?
ROTFLMAO.
Some of you guys are beyond reason.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
“The sky is not falling, we are in transition”…..Translation….It was satellite debris not the sky……
October 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Oh. and plus the annual WR/QB drama Palmer had to endure throughout his years in Cincy. I wouldn’t be too critical. As much as people say this is a similiar system they are crazy! This is not the Cincy system. This is the Raider system. Cincy did not run plays like this! Some of these plays are so good they fool my eyes trying to keep up with the ball.
This offense is built around the Raider players. These analyst sometimes man. Just bec Palmer knows Jackson doesn’t mean its the same system morons.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Gimmick plays are the last resort of losers. Hue, be creative by all means but play fundamental football.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
The Raiders should’ve been running the rock, and running the rock…and running the rock even more. DMC out?? Next man up then…and run that fockin football some more.
The 6 Int’s are as much on Hue Jax as they are on the QB’s…who have rightfully already been held accountable. We should’ve been able to grind KC into submission by the 4th quarter. Instead, we were tired after the 1st…flat and tired. We still had time after the 1st-quarter, but didn’t use it well.
Build that bully, Hue…we still got time.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
I have no problem with Hue being “creative”.
Reverse to Ausberry is not what I call creative.
That’s not to say I don’t like reverses. If we are going to run a reverse, it should be to Moore or Ford, not Chaz or Ausberry.
If we are going to run the wildcat, run it with DMac, not Bush. If Dmac is hurt, don’t run it!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
For the life of me… I never thought I would find a jablunder apologist in this blog… I guess miracles do happen….LOL. that Guy .. was .. is… and always will be remembered as jabust. … period!!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
The Raiders should’ve been running the rock, and running the rock…and running the rock even more. DMC out?? Next man up then…and run that fockin football some more.
The 6 Int’s are as much on Hue Jax as they are on the QB’s…who have rightfully already been held accountable. We should’ve been able to grind KC into submission by the 4th quarter. Instead, we were tired after the 1st…flat and tired. We still had time after the 1st-quarter, but didn’t use it well.
Build that bully, Hue…we still got time.
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Thank you. Finally an intelligent, non biased post.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
I never thought I would see the day when Raider fans that complained throughtout the years of bad/vanilla playcalling sit here and complain when we finally get a coach that is a creative as Hue (maybe too creative at times) and has the balls to call plays (as he say’s ‘living on the edge’). I guess you can’t please everyone.
P.S. Playcalling is waaaaaaaayyyyy down the list of reason why we lost this game.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
The Raiders should’ve been running the rock, and running the rock…and running the rock even more. DMC out?? Next man up then…and run that fockin football some more.
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Should we have really run it on that 3rd and 6 where Boller threw the pick?
Should we have been running the ball with under a minute left when Boller underthrew that ball to DHB for his 3rd pick?
Didn’t like the deep ball to D Moore, I’ll agree with you on that one.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
If you guys have this game recorded, please rewind. Watch KC’s defense when we started the game. THAT LINE WAS STACKED TIGHT!!!! 8 men when way in the box and the other 3 were cheating!! Com’on man! Your QB has to make plays in that situation.
You run it 2 times and its 3rd and say 4. You run it again against that many players on the line???? Com’on man! Your QB has to be able to make a simple read and throw the ball. You cannot run all day long. WE NEVER RAN ALL DAY LONG. EVEN ON OUR BEST RUNNING DAYS!!!!
Boller had to make a throw and he failed – MISERBLY!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Anybody under 36-37 years old won’t remember, but even the old-school Raiders would have trick plays.
Sometimes we need to remember that a trick play in the 1st-quarter, even if it doesn’t work well, is setting up something for later in the game, too. provided a few things go as planned. As we know, little went as planned vs KC.
If, before the game, somebody would’ve guessed DMC would go down after two plays, the Offense would’ve looked a little more fluid. And a lot more explosive.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
HayesDaze37 is 100% right.
The final score was 28-0.
Two of those scores were pick 6 TD’s. A third TD was as a result of another Boller interception.
The Chiefs only scored ONE legitimate offensive touchdown.
Factor in the failed Rushing attempt by Bush and you are talking about a 7-7 TIE GAME!
Hue F’d up. And he time and time again, took the full blame for this loss, and rightfully so.
He is the sole play caller, and he screwed the play calling up royally yesterday.
If you have doubt in your QB’s ability right now, you don’t resort to trying to fling the ball all over the field. You play to your strength, run the ball, execute short passes and screens, and play good defense.
That should have been the plan yesterday.
Hue was feeling his own hype and drinking his own Kool Aid a little too much, and it came back to bite all of us in the azz.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
I have no problem with Hue being “creative”.
Reverse to Ausberry is not what I call creative.
That’s not to say I don’t like reverses. If we are going to run a reverse, it should be to Moore or Ford, not Chaz or Ausberry.
If we are going to run the wildcat, run it with DMac, not Bush. If Dmac is hurt, don’t run it!
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The issue with running a bunch of “gadget” plays is they are going to be boom or bust. Think about the flea flicker that Hue called in Houston. THANK THE GOOD LORD, Mike Bush had the presence of mind to see the defender ready to rip that ball. That could have lost the game! Same thing yesterday. Hue called not one but two flea flickers in the second half. Those are VERY slow developing plays that when defenced you have NO CHANCE for anything other than a big play from the opposition. And then what message are you sending your players? We’re not good enough to go right at them?
October 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
188….When you have a team as potentially talented as the Raiders have now, albeit young, you don’t need gadetry…Especially when the pronouncement and proclamation of bully building has been made….Physical hard nosed football wins in November and December…If your building that aura and perception then follow it through…If you are apathetic and not upset about the lack of forward aggression by the offense and the play calling your not that familiar with Raider football…..
October 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Thank you JHill. We are disagreeing a bit on the playcalling (as I look more towards the players running the play), but at least we agree some on this.
I think on the deep ball to D Moore, Boller had Boss right there in the middle of the field and he passed. That sht was all on the QB man (and don’t you say it was playcalling — don’t say it!). QB man, QB!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
I don’t even have a problem with the flea flicker. But it’s not something you should see every week.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
180.ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Jamarcus stuck up for himself and was derided as a guy who couldn’t lead his way out of a paper bag.
ArmChair, don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Debo, do you look at the stuff you type before you press SUBMIT?
Jamarcus had substance abuse issues, came to camp out of shape, did not work at his craft, did not do anything on his own to buld a rapport with his receivers, never went to a Pro Bowl, couldn’t complete a simple screen pass, missed wide open receivers in practice, and has been turned down by EVERY SINGLE team in the league.
Even his personal Life Coach and Mentor gave up on him.
And yet you fixed your fingers to type the name Jamarcus Russell?
ROTFLMAO.
Some of you guys are beyond reason.
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Substance abuse problems?? Prove it. Who gives a damn if he came to camp a few pounds overweight? He’s a big dude. He wouldn’t be the 1st guy to play his way into shape. Offseason means offseason. As far as not working at his craft, take a listen to Kiffen. I’ll take his word over yours any day of the week.
http://www.nfl.com/videos/nfl-training-camps/09000d5d8097d19e/Kiffin-happy-with-Russell-in-camp
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Hue called not one but two flea flickers in the second half. Those are VERY slow developing plays that when defenced you have NO CHANCE for anything other than a big play from the opposition. And then what message are you sending your players? We’re not good enough to go right at them?
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Well how about this…..
Hue obviously doesn’t trust Boller’s arm. So much so that he traded away potentially our first round picks for the next two years to keep him from starting.
Yet Hue dials up Flea Flickers for this SAME QB(Boller) who he doesn’t trust!
It made absolutely no sense!
Hue had a classic Mac Dre moment yesterday, and It cost him.
He was in the building and he was “Feelin’ Himself”!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Because Boller was little threat, the play-calling did suffer. Bush on the goal-line? Fine…as long as there’s something else the Defense COULD be thinking about. In this case, the only thing they thought about was MBush. Nobody here could convince me that a Kyle Boller bootleg down there wouldn’t have a chance to succeed. It would’ve spread the D out at least.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
If you have doubt in your QB’s ability right now, you don’t resort to trying to fling the ball all over the field. You play to your strength, run the ball, execute short passes and screens, and play good defense.
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Hue doubted the QB and he ran Bush at the goaline 4 times to no avail.
The INT Boller threw on a deep ball to Moore (i think) Boss was wide open underneath – thats the QB man – he decided to throw that ball.
That pass that ended up being a pick 6 in double coverage – again, thats the QB man.
Thats not playcalling. Thats the QB making bad plays.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Substance abuse problems?? Prove it. Who gives a damn if he came to camp a few pounds overweight? He’s a big dude. He wouldn’t be the 1st guy to play his way into shape. Offseason means offseason. As far as not working at his craft, take a listen to Kiffen. I’ll take his word over yours any day of the week.
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Debo you’re dumber NOW than you were in the Friday movie huh?
You bring up Kiffin to support your Boy Toy Jamarcus?
Seriously? That’s the best you could do?
When his own personal mentor gave up on him. And 32 other NFL teams have all avoided him like he has leprosy?
Wow. This has to be the dumbest post I’ve read the entire month of October.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
If you have doubt in your QB’s ability right now, you don’t resort to trying to fling the ball all over the field. You play to your strength, run the ball, execute short passes and screens, and play good defense.
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Hue doubted the QB and he ran Bush at the goaline 4 times to no avail.
The INT Boller threw on a deep ball to Moore (i think) Boss was wide open underneath – thats the QB man – he decided to throw that ball.
That pass that ended up being a pick 6 in double coverage – again, thats the QB man.
Thats not playcalling. Thats the QB making bad plays.
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I feel you Terrapin, but two Flea Flickers for Boller was NOT GOOD!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Thank you JHill. We are disagreeing a bit on the playcalling (as I look more towards the players running the play), but at least we agree some on this.
I think on the deep ball to D Moore, Boller had Boss right there in the middle of the field and he passed. That sht was all on the QB man (and don’t you say it was playcalling — don’t say it!). QB man, QB!
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I wrote this earlier today but the wildcat with Pryor on a 3rd and 1 early in the game was a boneheaded call. Running the wildcat on a 4th and 4 inches with Bush was a boneheaded call. Those were flat out boneheaded calls that probably cost us the game.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Yet Hue dials up Flea Flickers for this SAME QB(Boller) who he doesn’t trust!
It made absolutely no sense!
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I agree. That’s why I believe Hue allowed Boller to decided his best plays he preferred to get him rolling lol. To see if he could turn it around before he was forced to take the ball away from him. Otherwise it made no sense. Thats my speculation. Sounds like something Hue would do as he’s a QB coach.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Substance abuse problems?? Prove it.
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He clearly was addicted to codeine syrup. Sad, but true.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:33 pm
Who else on this planet would keep old links on JaWalrus Russell then post them.
RaiderDebbie get a life!
October 24th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
204. referring to the 2nd flea flicker and the 3 straight passes. otherwise it made no sense.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
201.ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Substance abuse problems?? Prove it. Who gives a damn if he came to camp a few pounds overweight? He’s a big dude. He wouldn’t be the 1st guy to play his way into shape. Offseason means offseason. As far as not working at his craft, take a listen to Kiffen. I’ll take his word over yours any day of the week.
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Debo you’re dumber NOW than you were in the Friday movie huh?
You bring up Kiffin to support your Boy Toy Jamarcus?
Seriously? That’s the best you could do?
When his own personal mentor gave up on him. And 32 other NFL teams have all avoided him like he has leprosy?
Wow. This has to be the dumbest post I’ve read the entire month of October.
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Ummm, Kiffin only COACHED Jamaracus for two years. Why wouldn’t I cite him? And I would hardly call John Lucas his personal mentor. I’m sure JR payed to be at his little camp. Never heard one quote from Lucas about why JR left. Got one for me? Didn’t think so.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
I’m telling you, HJack gave Boller 3 straight passes after 1H and I bet it was to see if Boller could turn it around. I bet those were Boller’s plays of preference to redeem himself. RIGHT AFTER his last throw Palmer was warming up. No hesitation! That’s why I think it was planned.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Well almost right after I suppose.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
It’s good to see the WR and RBs not taking the upcoming days off and deciding to stay and work with Palmer.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
200….Your examples of bad gb play and decision making are valid, however, there are 20 examples of bad play calling…Huellywood…Please, be even handed with your criticism….I love the Hue Jackson hire, I appreciate his dedication, exuberance and his obvious love of what Mr. Davis was about, Raider football, however, if you can’t make or take that criticism about others perspective, it makes you look awful biased….
October 24th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Huellywood, that is the ticket.
Yes, the more you hear HueJax the more you can see the spinning doctor at work.
Hey, problems? What problems? Distractions? What distractions? Preparation? What preparation? The team goes and lays an egg, and there are no problems. And yes the wheels did come off, those wheels were Campbell and DMac.
Boller better than Edwards? Wow what an indictment on Edwards, don’t expect Trent to come back any time soon. I mean how can anybody be worse than Boller? I mean we’re talking JaMarcus territory here. Of course, it wasn’t Boller who threw the interceptions, it was the offensive unit, starting with the OC and the HC, same sucker.
That Huellywood, he’ll try to sell you that bridge over there if you ain’t careful.
I want to hear him put his money where his mouth is. Give us a number, HueJax. How many wins are you good for this season. Don’t give us that crap about the sky is falling. I say if you don’t have 9 wins in your bag of tricks, you’d better take a hike with your spinning top.
Remember what I tell you now, that pick-six by Flowers had nothing to do with rust, timing, or knowing 10% of the playbook, that’s what Carson is all about, an interception machine, a heart breaking hype. And now HueJax is sounding like the guy that comes on TV in the middle of the night trying to sell you that old junky Ford for no money down. The problem here is that old junky Ford cost the Raiders a lot.
Just what is HueJax going to do the moment Palmer begins to suck like I know he will. He just can’t get rid of him to save face, HueJax will have to eat it too. Unless someone brings some sense into the Raiders management.
The Raiders can not afford a novice GM to keep running this team.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
“Russell, 25, and Lucas had been working together since September in hopes of getting Russell into shape for a return to the NFL. The aforementioned sources say Russell, released by the Oakland Raiders last May, initially worked hard, but quickly lost motivation. Recently Lucas tired of trying to get Russell, the top pick in 2007, to respond to instruction and assistance.
Lucas did not return several phone messages left for him, and agents Eric Metz and Ethan Locke did not want to discuss Russell’s condition. However, the sources said Russell’s lack of effort had driven even Lucas, who has made a career of helping athletes and others with drug and addiction problems, to the point of frustration.”
October 24th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
212. OK 20 examples may be an exagerration don’t you think? But don’t get me wrong ..some of the playcalling is really stupid (like Ausberry on a reverse etc). I just chalk that up to trying to do too much but am willing to accept it given the level of overall ingenuity we have not seen in decades if even that. So some of it is quite stupid but a lot of it is WOW.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
213….You articulate your information very well…I do disagree with your perception of Carson Palmer, though…I am hopeful your wrong and I am sure as a Raider fan, you, inadvertently, do as well…Good post….
October 24th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
Just rewatched the first pick Boller threw.
He stared Ford down in the slot the whole time and the SAFETY jumped the sideline route and made the pick.
If Boller is looking at the S at all, he has to throw that ball deep to D Moore in single coverage who the S just completely ignored.
Terrible QB play on that pick.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
When backed up against the endzone in different games, Hue tried a deep ball each time as I recall (twice as I reckon). And I was totally expecting him to do it again! I’m sure KC was expecting it too. But he did not. This time he ran it out with Bush for over 10yds. He used those plays to setup what he did this game, but I’m sure a lot of you missed that lil nuggett.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Yeah if you’re a team in transition it might be a good idea to pull back a little on the trick plays. 14-6 is a better score than 21-0.
In Boller’s defense, he hadn’t seem action in a real game in a long time, He also did not have the chance to develop timing and chemistry with the first team Wrs and His go-to RB was out. Dude knew he was going to get the boobirds from his own house at the slightest misstep with all the hype…
That being said even JCamp knew when to throw it away.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Also notice the Chiefs ony rushed 3 guys and dropped 8 guys on that int Boller threw.
Just a bad read.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:55 pm
Missed passes?? One important one was the deep pass to DHB, that went 5-yards over his head, instead of 5-yards ahead of him (DHB was inside the DB at this point, at a huge advantage). It should’ve been a TD all day long…and could’ve changed the game.
The plays Hue called for Boller didn’t go well with the fact Boller played so nervously, when he should’ve been able to get through this game with little difficulty. Boller self-destructed.
Is anybody else waiting to see if Murphy will do ANYTHING that resembles the Murph we’ve been expecting? Or is the exciting, yet inconsistent Louis Murphy the one we’re stuck with?
October 24th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
ANYONE miss Bruce Gradkowski? I do
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NO, but if you need to follow his activities try the Bengals blog. Grads is no longer of topic of interest here.
October 24th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
212…Your missing my attempt at making a point with you, keeping a team off balance with flow or direction is a much better way to disrupt opponents…We don’t need the gadetry to be good…You have to be more even handed with your criticism about the play calling…Your, obviously, very intelligent but your debate and point of view will be even more valued with level criticism..It doesn’t come off like hate….
October 24th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
Has anyone else noticed that JFord so far makes horrible 3rd down possession WR? Any pass that is not a reverse or a screen on 3rd down should go to Hagan, DHB, Boss, Schilens before Ford is in there.
The last three games has seen him drop and false start too many 3rd conversions.
He MAY develop the skill but right now Hagan should be the better option
October 24th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
#224
Can’t argue with that observation.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
223. but isnt ‘flow or direction’ or to be more precise – misdirection – in itself gadgetry? anytime you are attempting to deceive the defense its trickery in my book. but i get your point nonetheless. its just that some ‘trickery’ is a higher level of trickery than others lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
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In Boller’s defense, he hadn’t seem action in a real game in a long time, He also did not have the chance to develop timing and chemistry with the first team Wrs and His go-to RB was out. Dude knew he was going to get the boobirds from his own house at the slightest misstep with all the hype…
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Even worse, when he finally did have a week to get all the 1st team reps with the WRs, the team goes out and trades for a guy that everyone wants in the lineup this week. And that guy then goes and takes half the reps with the 1st team that Boller would’ve benefited heavily from.
I’m not a Boller apologist but I did expect better from him than what we saw Sunday. Fact is, the guy was in a no win scenario. He was hearing footsteps before he even took the field and knew he was on a short leash. And then he had to deal without the full prep due a starting QB and the anxiety of knowing that he had to be mistake free despite a lack of playing time over the last two seasons.
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That being said even JCamp knew when to throw it away.
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Well, that is what he does best after all …
October 24th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
A big knock on Gabbert coming out of college was his fear of pressure. He would leave the pocket if his 1st read wasn’t open and scramble out of bounds. It’s on full display tonight. The guy has great size and a cannon, but he seriously needs to grow a pair.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
J — If you’re talking about the pick-6 by Boller, into double-coverage? That wasn’t a bad read…that was a NON read. If you can’t see those bright red and white colors, standing out like flags on that side of the field, before you throw the ball, then maybe you need an eye test?
Veterans recognize double-coverage…well they’re supposed to, anyway. Sure, they get beat by single-coverage too (see Palmer’s pick-6), but they cut the chances of disaster by looking for the single coverage…before just throwing the ball without thinking into the double-team.
Boller played like a rookie. CPalmer played like a guy playing his first game of the year (2 months of football is a long time to miss, coming in against practiced pro’s). Both made mistakes…but Boller’s were inexcusable.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
224….As hard as it is for me to give credit to the defense and coaching staff of the chiefs, it must be given…They rerouted
receivers all day and your post illustrates that perfectly…Small recover with the speed but easily knocked off his route….
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
You guys have to realize this thing hits multiple levels. You ever figure in your calculations that the playcalling could impact the OL’s performance – which to date has been amazing! They are among the lowest in sacks allowed and they were JUST put together.
A lot of the playcalling keeps the defense on its heels and keeps our QB clean. Campbell never had it so good. Some of it is just damn right stupid all things being considered (Ausberry on a reverse ranks high up there).
But that I can live with. This is a top 10 offense and all you guys ae doing is complaining. Go figure…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Boller played like a rookie. CPalmer played like a guy playing his first game of the year (2 months of football is a long time to miss, coming in against practiced pro’s). Both made mistakes…but Boller’s were inexcusable.
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Palmer had poise in the pocket, really good velocity on his throws, and good POCKET PRESENCE.
When’s the last time we saw that here in Oakland.
And for the record, that tackle around the knees by Hali was definitely INTENTIONAL!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Well playcalling WITH execution I should have said. We really lacked execution in a big way this game – at QB!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
You guys have to realize this thing hits multiple levels. You ever figure in your calculations that the playcalling could impact the OL’s performance – which to date has been amazing! They are among the lowest in sacks allowed and they were JUST put together.
A lot of the playcalling keeps the defense on its heels and keeps our QB clean. Campbell never had it so good. Some of it is just damn right stupid all things being considered (Ausberry on a reverse ranks high up there).
But that I can live with. This is a top 10 offense and all you guys ae doing is complaining. Go figure…
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I see some validity here, but I’m sorry…
Satele and Carlisle have been playing inconsistent for years now.
Remember, Carlisle was acquired because of Cable’s zone blocking scheme.
Him and Satele have NEVER been suited for a POWER scheme!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
226….And I see your point of view, as well….It should have been REALLY dummied down for this game…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
Hue made a mistake calling the game, he took a chance and it backfired.
It didn’t matter what KC threw at us at the beginning of the game, we should have ran the ball and only let Boller throw screens, roll-outs or three step drop short passes over the middle, even if we went 3 and out a few times.
We should have put this game in the hands of the defense and play conservative until Boller lost the jitters and gained some confidence.
Why? because the worst thing that could have happened to us was Boller throwing an early pick, let alone a pick 6 and then a second int in the 1st quarter.
You can’t put Boller in that position, you can’t put the crowd against him with Palmer waiting in the bench.
I truly believe we could have won if we had been more careful with Boller, the guy needs to be managed because decision-making has always been his problem and we should have known better than to have him make his first throw across the field and his second 40 yards down the field.
And the failure to score at the goal line, that’s where Hue needed to get creative and he didn’t, couldn’t we run a play-action pass to Boss or Tonga, a roll-out with Boller or even the option with Pryor, Bush and Taiwan on the backfield?… the Bush play on 4th down was awful, it looked doomed from the start.
Anyways I love Hue and it’s his 1st year coaching too, he will get the Raiders and himself back on track.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
Satele’s excuse is he’s not healthy. But we all saw what happened when Wiz subbed for him vs Houston.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
If ever there was a team “in transition,” it was the Raiders yesterday. Without blaming the injuries for a sad loss, they were huge in taking out what were major parts of our game-planning. Hue didn’t transition well.
And Janikowski’s leg is a weapon more valuable than it gets credit for in here. Missing Jano is kinda like taking a crazy edge off this team, that was “built the wrong way.”
October 24th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
232….Bullies should have pounced on him….Posted yesterday and all day today…He should have been pummeled on the spot and that is not a debatable point….
October 24th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
236. Mostly agree that you have valid points. Except, I think the 2nd Boller throw was a choice Boller made, he had Boss open (if I remember that play correctly).
The Bush fiasco at the goaline. I put that 1st on Bush and then on the OL. Bush has to make that – no excuses. He goes in too high and doesn’t bring the hammer or balance. He let the 1st hit stop him.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
236….That’s a good post…!!!!… Even a quarterback sneak 4 times would have been more mysterious….Go figure…
October 24th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
But who knows…maybe Boller isn’t that good at throwing screens or short outs lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
You can’t put Boller in that position, you can’t put the crowd against him with Palmer waiting in the bench.
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Bob, you are 100% correct. Before the game ever started the crowd was grumbling about Boller. Hue is a rookie head coach, and like all rookies, he is going to make rookie mistakes. He’s made mistakes this season but they really have not come back to bite him. That last game his mistakes came back and bit him.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
241.autopalm77 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
236….That’s a good post…!!!!… Even a quarterback sneak 4 times would have been more mysterious….Go figure…
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Trickery!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
Why the musical chairs at the offensive line in that sequence….Thats even more disturbing and that came directly from the a side line substitution….
October 24th, 2011 at 7:25 pm
outtro
October 24th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
244……LOL…!!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Terp
“Except, I think the 2nd Boller throw was a choice Boller made…”.
That’s my point about managing Boller, don’t even give him the choice, the guy makes bad decisions, he thinks he can make every throw and if you put it in there he’ll go for it every time.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
But how bout that Aaron Curry!!!
That goal line sequence where he blew up the RB and caused the fumble was clutch!
Our failure to secure that loose fumble was a huge turning point in the game as well.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Terp — Can’t be making MBush change running styles…he is what he is: a hybrid. He’s as graceful an athlete at 250-ish pounds in pads can be, and his running style is successful. Remember Jamal Lewis and Corey Dillon? Both had similar things said of them.
If the Offensive Line yesterday got any kind of push at the goal-line, Bush would’ve scored. The unimaginative plays called weren’t that bad…they just weren’t executed well. When the D knows what’s coming, you’d better execute…and we didn’t execute at the line of scrimmage.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Hue is a gambler and pushed his luck this time. It comes with the territory so expect it to happen now and then…
Sorta like the PBuch giveth/taketh syndrome.
I still blame Condo.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:34 pm
251…At least a little levity…..TY
October 24th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
249….The more I read your posts the more I think we should remove the armchair from your handle….
October 24th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
we should have known better than to have him make his first throw across the field and his second 40 yards down the field.
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He had 5 options on his first pass. DMac and Gordon btoh released out of the backfield, DHB ran a short route, Moore went deep, and Ford ran a simple SEVEN YARD OUT.
Just saw the 2nd int and Boss is wide open for the first down across the middle right in front of Boller.
Also, Moore redirected his route and ran right into the DB instead of running through the ball. AND Boller is getting BLASTED as he’s finishing the throw. Should have thrown it to a wide open TE. A checkdown was in order there, lol.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
Still, those are down and distance plays that should be pass plays. 3rd and 6 on the first int, and 2nd and 8 on the 2nd int.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:54 pm
Just saw the 2nd int and Boss is wide open for the first down across the middle right in front of Boller.
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Yeah, I remember that one well. Turned to my buddy and we both said it.
I’m sick to my stomach from this loss. And, DAM, Chiefs fans are obnoxious. At least the ones I work with. I don’t remember being that obnoxious last year when we won both times. Friggin emails with big bold print, news clippings, etc. Sheesh. I just tell them ‘Hey, the sun even shines on a dog’s a$$ every once and a while. Yesterday was your day. Congratulations”
October 24th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
J Hill
“He had 5 options on his first pass. DMac and Gordon btoh released out of the backfield, DHB ran a short route, Moore went deep, and Ford ran a simple SEVEN YARD OUT.
Just saw the 2nd int and Boss is wide open for the first down across the middle right in front of Boller.
Also, Moore redirected his route and ran right into the DB instead of running through the ball. AND Boller is getting BLASTED as he’s finishing the throw. Should have thrown it to a wide open TE. A checkdown was in order there, lol.”
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- Wich is why we should have started out with simpler stuff and not have Boller making reads and decisions.
First throw, as you said, he had 5 options and locked on to the out since he got the snap, never bothered to look anywhere else.
2nd throw had Boss open down the middle and either didn’t see him or chose to go for the big play.
That’s Boller and we know it, Hue should have adjusted accordingly.
October 24th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
And I’m sorry, but Boller is much worse than I anticipated. Why again didn’t we keep Grads as our backup? Not perfect, but a much better backup.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
The 2 personal foul penalties on the defense to open that 2nd half we killers.
Basically gave them a TD to put them up 21 instead of 14 when Palmer came in.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:04 pm
If Boller can’t make basic reads, then we should have gone with Pryor. We expect a rookie to make mistakes like that.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
autopalm77 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
249….The more I read your posts the more I think we should remove the armchair from your handle….
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Thanks bro.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
But who knows…maybe Boller isn’t that good at throwing screens or short outs lol.
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One tide changing bad call by the refs actually took away the best Raiders screen pass of the day. On a Raiders drive in the 2nd quarter that started with good field position they were facing a 2nd and 14. Boller screened to Bush who pushed it over the 50 for what looked like a 1st down or very close. The play was flagged for ineligible receiver down field on Veldheer. I watched it in slow mo and froze the screen with Veldheer and two other blockers all easily within 3 yards of the LOS (conveniently highlighted in blue to make it obvious) and Bush behind it when the ball was in the air.
So instead of a first (or maybe a 3rd and less than a yard) on the Chiefs side of the 50, it becomes a 2 and 19 and sure passing down. The Chefs bring big heat and sack Boller for -10, effectively killing the drive with a 3rd and 29.
This on the next drive after the failed punch in, when at least the offense had confidence that it could move the ball. Keep it moving and maybe good things happen, at least ending up in 3 points. Not huge, but definitely not as bad as entering the locker room at half down 14-0.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
J Hill
“If Boller can’t make basic reads, then we should have gone with Pryor. We expect a rookie to make mistakes like that.”
In hindsight, the playbook would have been so much more conservative with Pryor that we would have probably avoided at least a couple of int’s, but it’s not fair to go there, starting Boller was the right call, the game should have been called differently.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Zymurge Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
But who knows…maybe Boller isn’t that good at throwing screens or short outs lol.
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One tide changing bad call by the refs actually took away the best Raiders screen pass of the day. On a Raiders drive in the 2nd quarter that started with good field position they were facing a 2nd and 14. Boller screened to Bush who pushed it over the 50 for what looked like a 1st down or very close. The play was flagged for ineligible receiver down field on Veldheer. I watched it in slow mo and froze the screen with Veldheer and two other blockers all easily within 3 yards of the LOS (conveniently highlighted in blue to make it obvious) and Bush behind it when the ball was in the air.
So instead of a first (or maybe a 3rd and less than a yard) on the Chiefs side of the 50, it becomes a 2 and 19 and sure passing down. The Chefs bring big heat and sack Boller for -10, effectively killing the drive with a 3rd and 29.
This on the next drive after the failed punch in, when at least the offense had confidence that it could move the ball. Keep it moving and maybe good things happen, at least ending up in 3 points. Not huge, but definitely not as bad as entering the locker room at half down 14-0.
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Good point, but we have been dealing with this for decades.
It’s so bad that we almost have to wear it as a badge of honor to be singled out and screwed by the refs.
We have to treat every game like a boxing match. If you knock your opponent out, you don’t have to worry about it going to the scorecards for the judges decision.
That’s the mentality that we have to approach every game!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
can we get that starting Cb from the Jaguars for Stanford Routt
October 24th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Resean mathis is his name i think .
October 24th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
i know trade deadline already passed but man he been covering the guy like magnetic
October 24th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
code black
October 24th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
Routt is fine, Bowe is a load, no shame in giving up a couple plays.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
It’s good to hear that the WR’s are staying to work with Palmer, they’re all so young that you wouldn’t expect them to have the sense of urgency and dedication to give up their off days so they can get familiar with Carson.
Hue’s leadership definitely played a role, I would think.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
I don’t know, Marley.
In watching the game for the 2nd time, going back and forth on some of these plays, they are not difficult reads at all.
If you are really telling me that the QB could no execute even the most basic of plays, then I’m sorry but he should not be out there.
Boller is collecting an NFL paycheck to be able to play QB on Sundays.
I’d go with Pryor.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
If the offense needs to be dumbed down like that for Boller, we can dumb it down for the rookie.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
And how about that DVD kid looking like the best CB from this draft so far.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Carson Palmer played a damn good 3rd qtr. That dart he threw to DHB on 3rd and 9 was a beauty.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
I’d go with Pryor
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Might risk turning him into a head case with as little time he’s had with the team.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
What Up Nation!
I’m back home now from that disaster of a game yesterday. I enjoyed the game atmosphere in the Coliseum and the fans were wild inside and outside the stadium. Too bad we lost so bad (Hue Jax).
After the game me and my cuz went to Ricky’s to catch the Saints game. The Hue Jax buffalo wings were good though. I got some great pics and videos on my phone.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:29 pm
DVD is coming along nicely.
He’s going to be a monster when he puts on 10lbs.
Can’t see CJ37 getting his spot back at all.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Why haven’t I seen a pitch to Taiwan Jones to the Red Zone? Bush needs like 5-10 yards to get his wheels moving. He’s much more effective on short passes.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Just a bad read by Palmer on that pick 6 he threw. Was doing a lot of good things right up until that throw. A nice swing pass to Boss to open the qtr for a 1st dn.
Then that int.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
Didn’t really like the play call though. Only the 2 WRs in the pattern on short routes???
8 men blocking????
Throwing it away was the only option.
I wonder if Palmer missed the call and it should have been a play action involved their.
Very strange.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
But how bout that Aaron Curry!!!
That goal line sequence where he blew up the RB and caused the fumble was clutch!
Our failure to secure that loose fumble was a huge turning point in the game as well.
Don’t forget when he jumped on the guys back and tackled him for a loss!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Sorry, tackled for no gain!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Bush can get 19 yds on an obvious pass play on a prevent defense. But he cannot get a yard on 3rd and 1. Period!
October 24th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Yeah, Aaron Curry has been a great pickup.
All of his highlights involve stripping for fumbles, he’s really good at it.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
J Hill
By the way, you beat the crap out of me on Dell’s league without 3 or 4 starters…damned Brees.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
504 Raider Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Bush can get 19 yds on an obvious pass play on a prevent defense. But he cannot get a yard on 3rd and 1. Period!
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Nope….Bush had the long run to get the team in the scoring zone.
Bush needs to do a better job for sure…but i am not hating on a running back that gets 100 yards rushing with no viable quarterback.
Someone needed to put a hat on Derrick Johnson on those runs too.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
J Hill Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Just a bad read by Palmer on that pick 6 he threw. Was doing a lot of good things right up until that throw. A nice swing pass to Boss to open the qtr for a 1st dn.
Then that int.
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What I liked best was his post game comments on that pick. He said he was unhappy with himself because it was a rookie mistake to not see the CB read his 3 step drop. He said he knew it as soon as the ball left his hand. That play to me is nothing but rust. Shake that off and get that split second improvement in reads that tells him to either pull it down or fire it out of bounds. That just reeks of a guy that absolutely knows what he’s doing out there and that will be very good with some reps.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon. It would’ve been nice to see Campbell lead the team to the playoffs, but his days playing as a Raider are done. Palmer is the guy and he will do well. He won’t be Brees, Brady, or Manning, but he will be very good.
It’s time to tear it up.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
boss was open several times but boller didnt throw to to him. hue jax shouldve just named boller the starter early in the week. dhb was open several times and shouldve had 3 more catches and a td. the problem is hue hasnt setteled on his depth chart. chaz and dhb need to be the starters. boss needs to be involved more. the rest of the wrs need to fight for the scraps. he subs too much and doesnt put his best players in scoring situations. chaz dbh boss dmc need to be the top passing options inside the redzone. ford needs to return punts and dmc is your best short yardage back. establish these roles and stick with them. dhb needs to get more plays inside the 10 like the best wr do. guys need to earn their way up the ladder now.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
J Hill
By the way, you beat the crap out of me on Dell’s league without 3 or 4 starters…damned Brees.
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I’ve been locked outta Yahoo since week 2. Haven’t been able to get them to reset my password. Gave up trying after about a week.
Surprised I have won anything.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
im also glad to see he might change the oline up a bit. the run blocking has regressed for a month now which has led to dmc getting pounded. they have failed to control the LOS too many times.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
So why was Chaz inactive? Guy was making a play or two in his time. He had a 35 yard reception negated due to a hold during the Cleveland game.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
I bet if Taiwan Jones hits that 3rd and 1 going full speed, he get tossed over that goal line like a rag doll. TD Raiders
October 24th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Both of those so called mistimed out routes to DHB and Moore should be easy to correct. Both time, Palmer threw the ball 2 yds past the first dn marker but the WRs went 15 yds.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
Can’t believe we benched Chaz for Murphy.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
i dont mind hue getting fancy but he is putting 2 much on a green unit.these guys arent experienced or good enuff yet where we can just do whatever we want. these are youngins still feeling their way thru and they need more game experience to really be polished enuff to do all this trickeration at will.we also dont have the oline that can dominate week in week out to hold up just yet. 2 years from now we will be more polished to do the things hue wants to do.
October 24th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Say what? Is that why Chaz was inactive yesterday? Really? Has Murphy even catch anything this year besides the injury bug?
October 24th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
A lot of stuff went wrong yesterday, this team had not played a truly bad game in 6 weeks, we’ve lost a couple before but the team competed and should have beaten Buffalo and we played NE tough until a couple of bad breaks.
It was a week full of distractions and maybe we needed a little humble pie as well.
We’re sitting at 4-3 at the bye after facing a rough schedule, we have a good coach, a new QB and a talented young team, no time to fret about sunday’s stinker, it happens to the best of them, just ask the Ravens tonight.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
270.Bob Marley Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
It’s good to hear that the WR’s are staying to work with Palmer, they’re all so young that you wouldn’t expect them to have the sense of urgency and dedication to give up their off days so they can get familiar with Carson.
Hue’s leadership definitely played a role, I would think.
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Great point. I think it is the direct effect of Hue’s influence on the team. They, too, believe the time is now.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
i also want to say u guys are fooling yourselves if u think carson wasnt brought here to be a franchise qb. look how many times hue has thrown the ball with subpar to average qb’s and thrown it in running situations late in games. he let grads throw last year
for goodness sakes. he wants a well balanced offense that can beat u throwing and running. when carson is up to speed most of u will be disappointed. we aint no ground n pound. we will throw the ball even more. we didnt give up a 1rst and 2nd so palmer can be a BETTER jason campbell. that shuckin n jivin act hue did last week shouldve told yall that.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
The D Moore drop that turned into a pick was sad.
Good play call, good pass, nothing from D Moore. Even his reaction after the play was sad.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
Moves like benching Chaz who has put points on the board over a guy that has done nothing is infuriating.
I hope Chaz is ahead of Murphy on the depth chart.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Murph psychologically is not right, he has alligator arms going down the middle. Chaz is Mr. Glass from the movie Unbreakable
October 24th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Bob Marley Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
A lot of stuff went wrong yesterday, this team had not played a truly bad game in 6 weeks, we’ve lost a couple before but the team competed and should have beaten Buffalo and we played NE tough until a couple of bad breaks.
It was a week full of distractions and maybe we needed a little humble pie as well.
We’re sitting at 4-3 at the bye after facing a rough schedule, we have a good coach, a new QB and a talented young team, no time to fret about sunday’s stinker, it happens to the best of them, just ask the Ravens tonight.
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Perhaps…..but they also ate that pie in a different flavor against the Bills.
Sure, you can get a stinker or two…but that’s about it if we are honest with ourselves.
After that you start putting the season at risk
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I think that would be a mistake, Armond.
We need to take what the defense gives us. 6 or 7 man fronts should mean we are running the ball.
If teams are gearing up to stop our run game, then we should pass.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
I’m gonna say it now (realizing it’s not nearly as bold a statement that it would have been 4 weeks, or 2 months or 2 years ago):
Darrius Heyward Bey is going to be great.
Bey had some technical issues to work out and still more work to do, obviously, but he’s playing and talking with a lot of confidence. Like he expects to make the play, expects to win, expects his teammates to do the same.
He’s always been a hard worker but this is the biggest difference for him now.
Another bold statement (perhaps bolder now than a week ago):
Carson Palmer is the next great Raider QB.
This is a classic Raider reclamation project and I don’t think he comes with as much baggage as some people thinks he does.
As long as he works hard, he’ll do fine. He has a coach that knows him and backs him 100% and I think he’ll be able to find guys like DHB and Kevin Boss (who needs to get healthy soon) a pleasure to work with, as they are two known hard workers on O.
I think all the pieces are there for this team. I know you gotta win now and you only get 16 of these things a year, but one also has to pause and realize this was Carson’s first game and he came in down 21 with no DMC, no rhythm, etc., etc., etc.
Still think we’re heading places and we do get to play KC agin this year.
Maybe this game is taken as a wakeup call.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
I understand Hue was trying to open up the KC D with the trickery when the offense was producing nothing, but he picked bad spots to try the trickery. Hue’s play calls were awful.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
I think Bush needs to hang out with Jerome Bettis for a couple days and stop taking offense to people calling him a ‘big back.’
You are a big back, MF! All 250 lbs. should be coming at people like a freight train.
I realize he’s a lot more swift than most big backs but o’l Twinkle Toes needs to be scaring people, IMO.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:18 pm
The only think I can conclude is that Hue wanted KC to be uncertain of who the QB was, then play Boller a lot more aggressively than was expected of him.
That and losing DMC is what doomed us primarily, along with other unfortunate sh;t like not recovering that forced fumble, not returning an INT, 4th and goal, etc.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
You know, 2 BIG times Bush was stopped when we needed one! Last week, and Sunday at the goal line! Maybe he needs to hang out with Zach Crockett!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Hawaiian,
I think every back should hang out with Zach. One of my favorites, man. Zach was a beast. And stays a Raider.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
But all in all…I will wait to pass judgement! Like Al has said time and time again…”We wil WIN”!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
LA, yes he was…I think that SB year, didn’t he only get stopped once on 3-1? The guy was special!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
And we can only get better on offense.
D kept us in the game for about 3 quarters. I think they played well but could have done better on a few 3rd and long situations with Breaston.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Because Boller was little threat, the play-calling did suffer. Bush on the goal-line? Fine…as long as there’s something else the Defense COULD be thinking about. In this case, the only thing they thought about was MBush. Nobody here could convince me that a Kyle Boller bootleg down there wouldn’t have a chance to succeed. It would’ve spread the D out at least.
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I figured this would be a let down game and the team would lay an egg, but that bad??
Coach Huey and Saunders need to come up with safer play calls on passes for Boller than trying to downfield.
Again, where was the screen game and where was the ball control short passing game??
Boller was terrible and now lets hope Palmer is ready in two weeks.
Huey and Saunders need to coach Palmer to NOT stare down one receiver!
That play call at the goaline with Bush was horrible. Huey should have known that teams are catching up to running to left with Bush at goal line. The Browns stuffed the same play last week!
How about a play action bootleg or a pass to the TE or fullback after the play action fake hand off left to Bush??
EVERYONE on this team, including the coaches better get their heads out of their collective AZZES, and get it together, because it is a MUST win versus Denver in two weeks!!
Haley is a piece of crap! He probably ordered his D-Line to go after Carson low whenever they had a chance also!
The Raiders need to hurt these fools when they play them in December in KC!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
I hated that direct snap to bush on the goal line.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
You know, 2 BIG times Bush was stopped when we needed one! Last week, and Sunday at the goal line! Maybe he needs to hang out with Zach Crockett!
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The hammer! Dude was money on 3rd and 1 or and goal situations.
Bush needs to stop fighting it and play like the big back he is. You’re not McFadden, bubba. Get ovah it!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Zach, Weatley and Garner were awesome.
Hoping to build like that again here, but DMAC gotta stay healthy and Bush gotta take the twinkle out of his toes. He had a good game, really, but needed him on that 4th and goal.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Coack Skipper and Huey need to tell Bush to run lower and see the hole and hit the hole hard and keep those legs chugging.
I have been saying this for two weeks, that Bush has been running way to high! He needs to bend his knees and run lower…when he does that he is a BEAST!!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
That wildcat stuff is done. Doesn’t work anymore. Defense just stuffs the box.
Only way for it to work is to have a running back that can throw a legit pass
Otherwise a complete waste of time
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Reality,
Exactly.
Maybe think Bush doesn’t like being labled. Wants to play a role but not be a role player, if that makes sense.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Because Boller was little threat, the play-calling did suffer. Bush on the goal-line? Fine…as long as there’s something else the Defense COULD be thinking about. In this case, the only thing they thought about was MBush. Nobody here could convince me that a Kyle Boller bootleg down there wouldn’t have a chance to succeed. It would’ve spread the D out at least.
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I figured this would be a let down game and the team would lay an egg, but that bad??
Coach Huey and Saunders need to come up with safer play calls on passes for Boller than trying to downfield.
Again, where was the screen game and where was the ball control short passing game??
Boller was terrible and now lets hope Palmer is ready in two weeks.
Huey and Saunders need to coach Palmer to NOT stare down one receiver!
That play call at the goaline with Bush was horrible. Huey should have known that teams are catching up to running to left with Bush at goal line. The Browns stuffed the same play last week!
How about a play action bootleg or a pass to the TE or fullback after the play action fake hand off left to Bush?? That direct snap to Bush was garbage also!
EVERYONE on this team, including the coaches better get their heads out of their collective AZZES, and get it together, because it is a MUST win versus Denver in two weeks!!
Haley is a piece of crap! He probably ordered his D-Line to go after Carson low whenever they had a chance also!
The Raiders need to hurt these fools when they play them in December in KC!!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
We also should have given the ball more to T Jones dammit!!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
We don’t have a Crockett on this team. But Bush could certainly play the part of Wheatley if he wanted to. Needs to run people over. Run straight ahead and stop dancing.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
On those goal line runs, lineman gotta block somebody. the defense got clean shots on him on all those downs.
The only down I would get on him for was the one where he tried to jump the pile…..he needed to just run straight there.
The rest, that Derrick Johnson guy got good low clean shots there. Cooper was late to the hole.
Team game folks
October 24th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
LA to the BAY,
I can see that too about DHB. There was a point on the sideline after the intercept off DMoore tip ball when Murphy came to the sideline pissed off about the play and was having a tantrum. DHB was there to grab him like a Coach and calm him down and tell him to let it go and keep fighting. He had a long talk with Murphy and I was like wow! Last year people were doing this to him now he’s the one passing it on.
I like DHB alot. He’s about to blow up. Palmer is gonna make him way better than Crabtree.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
SnB,
KC would disagree with you, my friend.
But yes, I agree with you. Considering we use it, hard to imagine why we don’t do it better.
Bush – High School QB, recruited in college to play QB
Darren McFadden – Original guinea pig prototype wildcat QB
Terrelle Pryor – Actual wildcat.
How do we not make this work?
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
# GoodOle00 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
One bad blow up and the haters stream outa the wood work. The Palmer addition is a 2-3 yr answer not a quick fix band aid.
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It’s funny seeing the hating whiner fans and the rest of dumb haters crawl out their rodent holes after a loss after two games of wins.
Bunch of moronic little sissies the haters are!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Reality,
Exactly.
Maybe think Bush doesn’t like being labled. Wants to play a role but not be a role player, if that makes sense.
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I agree. And I guess we shouldn’t blame him for that either, at least in some respect. He wants to position himself for a starting role somewhere and a large contract. I can understand that. But damit, dude. You’re a big guy. Run’em over like we know you can!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
LA,
If you NEVER throw it…then the defense knows what’s coming.
gotta put a few passes on film.
However, those are risky plays. I’d just as well see them line it up and play
October 24th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
DKnight007 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Coack Skipper and Huey need to tell Bush to run lower and see the hole and hit the hole hard and keep those legs chugging.
I have been saying this for two weeks, that Bush has been running way to high! He needs to bend his knees and run lower…when he does that he is a BEAST!!
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I know this will elicit a response from S&B but here goes: Bush is garbage. Not hot garbage, just regular garbage.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
If you dog Bush for the goal line, be sure to mete out some love to Carlisle for not getting physical….give Stanford Routt some love for getting worked over and giving up yet another TD.
28-0….that don’t come down to one player….team meltdown.
Really unfortunate because I thought these guys outgrew this shhhhh…especially against teams like KC
October 24th, 2011 at 9:34 pm
Not hot garbage, just regular garbage.
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LMAO, 504! I disagree, but that’s some funny chit!
October 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
504,
Sure….MJD was hot garbage today too….Ray Rice looked like some nasty broken bag on garbage day blowin down the street bad.
Mendenhall lookin bad.
Bush looked good to me yestereday outside that goal line. Raiders jack up a lot on those short yardage plays. Hey, run the fullback on one of those 4 downs
October 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Nah, Bush ain’t garbage, just maybe not realizing his full potential.
He was kind of set up to fail on the goal line. Think he could have muscled in but Hue gotta mix it up a little. 4th and goal would have been the perfect time for something other than a Bush run. Have Boller under center, play action, QB sneak, something.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
SnB – We’re not blaming the loss on Bush, bro. Just some observations. Yes, the entire team played a part. Coaching, on down…
October 24th, 2011 at 9:36 pm
Bush gets a lot of productive carries and keeps defenses honest.
That’s hard to get with a backup running back.
Or do you want to return to the days of crash test dummy and his 2 yards a carry
October 24th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
I am still trying to figure out how 17 carries for 99 yards is hot garbage.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
If you dog Bush for the goal line, be sure to mete out some love to Carlisle for not getting physical….give Stanford Routt some love for getting worked over and giving up yet another TD.
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Oh, I thought we were just getting warmed up, lol.
I though Bush and DHB were the only two skill players to really show up on O and I think Stan Routt is what he is. He’s not Nnamdi, but if teams wanna give him the Nnamdi treatment, I’m all for it as long as DVD keeps getting better.
Routt has given up a TD four straight weeks. Had his moments certainly, but he getting taken advantage of in the red zone for sure.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
2 receptions for 12 yards? 19 touches for 111 yards? Hot garbage?
Goal line was unfortunate, but Bush is nowhere near the top of the hot garbage list….not even on the list at all
October 24th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
There was a point on the sideline after the intercept off DMoore tip ball when Murphy came to the sideline pissed off about the play and was having a tantrum.
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Lou Murphy needs to take a look in the mirror.
Tantrums????
Really????
The way he’s been playing????
No way Chaz should ever be benched for him.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
I am still trying to figure out how 17 carries for 99 yards is hot garbage.
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He said regular garbage, not hot garbage. LOL.
Truth is we should have gone to the running game more in the early going instead of putting the ball in Boller’s hands.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Bush is a backup for a reason.
But he’s a hell of a backup.
Fact is, DMC is way faster, more explosive, and is probably more physical, despite giving up 20 lbs to Bush.
Bush is hard to take down, but McFadden takes people down.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Bush needs to be a 35 yds and 2 or 3 TDs guy. Dude should have about 11 or 12 TDs and 400 yds on the season.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
I don’t put too much stock in those kinds of numbers.
I think Bush is at his best when he gets 15+ carries but he can come in and be a closer.
I just want Ws.
Don’t care if our QB throws 1.5:1 TD-INT ratio or a WR doesn’t top 1000 yards. Just want to see the team win.
They could win ugly every game for all I care.
But that being said, we’re due to blow somebody out. Shoulda beat NYJ, Houston, and Cleveland by a lot more than we did.
Want McFadden healthy and rested so he can go rip Denver a new a$$hole in a couple weeks.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
504,
Sure….MJD was hot garbage today too….Ray Rice looked like some nasty broken bag on garbage day blowin down the street bad.
Mendenhall lookin bad.
Bush looked good to me yestereday outside that goal line. Raiders jack up a lot on those short yardage plays. Hey, run the fullback on one of those 4 downs
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It doesn’t matter if the bag is busted and garbage is all over the place in the morning after the overnight cats ran through it, or if the cans are neatly in place standing upside down with the tops on the curb after the truck passed. It was placed out there the night before for a reason.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
To clarify:
I think Bush is at his best when he gets 15+ carries as the feature guy but he can ALSO come in and be a closer.
What we should have done v. KC and should do against Denver is run to set up the pass. Donks got problems with DMC. Think Bush and DMC (and Taiwan too, sh;t) all need to be significantly involved.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
As you can see with DMAC, he gets hurt and misses a few games a year.
Typical of Raider fan, we underestimate the need for role players and speicalists and assume replacing players is easy.
Then we see a Kyle Boller implosion and are left on two knees holding our stomachs in pain.
Good teams have depth….
October 24th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
Here’s the unfortunate thing we’ve revealed about our team. It is absolute garbage without DMAC and the starting QB. I hate to even say it but I think teams desperate for a win may key in on injuring those 2.
It all started with the Siragusa swan dive. Fat bast@ard!! And it continues to dog us.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Do we resign bush… he is definitely going to want a lot more$$$… than he’s got.. is he worth it???
October 24th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Do we resign bush… he is definitely going to want a lot more$$$… than he’s got.. is he worth it???
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I’m afraid we have too many young talented players that will want to be paid (DMAC, for instance) to be able to afford Bush. We are already well over the cap for next year. Routt was paid too much, as was Wimbley. Good players, but come on…We talked about not signing Aso because of the money he wanted then turned right around and gave the loot to Routt.
October 24th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
ghostraiders Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
Do we resign bush… he is definitely going to want a lot more$$$… than he’s got.. is he worth it???
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You re-sign him if you can. Don’t break the bank though because the team still needs to invest in a young NT type.
DMAC needs someone to spell him. So I would pay Bush the going rate of a good 2nd running back. What does Pierre Thomas get? Moore in Pittsburgh, Ben Tate?
You don’t have a good 2nd running back in today’s league and your kinda screwed
October 24th, 2011 at 10:10 pm
I tell ya what is disgusting:
*If Boller kept us in the game, Hue doesn’t have to go with his half time decision to insert Palmer. Every coach past and future would’ve done the same fvcking thing. Boller was stinkin and Hue couldn’t stand the odor any more. All other 31 teams would’ve done the same fvcking thing.
*And I sorrowfully regreat Coach Davis wasn’t around after that game cause he would’ve ripped some red ass from the coaching staff all the way down to the water boy after that lackluster team effort. Coach would’ve chewed the ass off everybody involved. And rightly so.
*Raiders were not prepared to play and Coach Davis would’ve been fvcking pissed………..Period
October 24th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
And by the way, if the Raiders are gonna be tricksters, they better get better at making the trick plays work ALL the time, not just some of the time.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
We need a good 5′9” to 5′11” 230 lb RB with good moves and good speed to backup DMAC. Taiwan could be a great backup once he learns how to pass protect.
I’d make Bush a reasonable offer and if he doesn’t sign, wish him well.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Sybil?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
I’d make Bush a reasonable offer and if he doesn’t sign, wish him well.
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We’ll see what happens in the post-Al era.
This is what most NFL teams wold do, I think.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Huff was guarding Bowe too much in the slot. Huff is versatile, not sure he’s ready for all that.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Sh;t I don’t that Stan Routt is.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
don’t know*
October 24th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Raiders going to have to restructure some contracts at the end of this year.
Palmer gets paid, DMAC gets paid and the team is already at the cap.
There are some players that a “good” players but not “great” players that are going to have to sit down and have a chat.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
I’m liking DHB more and more every game. Even in this one where the passing game wasn’t working, he came out with 5 catches for 89 yards.
So I have a fantasy football question to ask of the general audience here:
I play in a keeper league where we get to carry 15 players from season to season, so I can go fairly deep to carry prospects. I swooped on D Moore after week 2, knowing that he wasn’t a fluke after seeing him do this all preseason, and just wanted to see if he could do it in real games. Now I’m wondering if I’d be better off with DHB?
The league is 6 pts for a TD, 1 per 10 yards receiving, plus .5 per reception. I see Moore getting more TDs, but DHB getting more yards and catches per game. It also looks like DHB is more consistent in putting up points each week.
The big question is which has more upside from here, bearing in mind that this is a keeper league and I don’t really need them as starters most weeks. I have Fitz and Stevie Johnson as my every week #1 and #2, so only need them for byes or when I go three WRs. Even then they’d be competing with Jordy Nelson or Mike Thomas for that spot.
So again, which of these two do you all think is going to be a beast by this time next season at this time and pushing their way into my top 2?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Not worried about the salary cap. It always works itself out. That won’t change. We keep getting players. We keep getting cap questions that always seem to work out some way. The day of the Palmer trade John Clayton said there was no way we would get him because of his cap number. Ask Clayton who the new guy is for us wearing #3?
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
167.ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
hmmm I can see your point.
The only problem with it for me is the fact that this has alays been the way he conducts himself. Its never his fault. isnt that one of the things we despised about jamrcuss, lack of accountability?
This is his chance to change the perception and show leadership. If he can pipe down and get us 4-5 wins, maybe we can consider him more of a leader. he didnt lead the bungles, and he hasnt had a good start her.
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I see your point as well Mistic. But consider this:
When I see Palmer with all of the receivers on the roster huddled together during the game, giving them tips and suggestions, that is LEADERSHIP.
When you see him be the first player on record to say that there is no BYE WEEK for him, because he will be studying and practicing the entire time, that is LEADERSHIP.
As a result, all of his receivers and healthy running backs are following suit and volunteering to practice on their time off as well.
Leadership is not just what you say, it is what you DO.
Furthermore, you are implying that Palmer took NO responsibility at all! I’m not sure what press conference you saw, but I saw him CLEARLY take responsibility for his mistakes, ESPECIALLY for the pick 6.
Bro I think it is YOU who is not being balanced. You want him to take ALL the blame and not stick up for himself at all.
And what’s funny is how many times have we heard Jason Campbell bring up the fact that…
“I haven’t played in the same system for more than one year.” or
“I have had to play with a different offensive coordinator every single year.”
That sounds like the same manner of statement that Palmer made to me!
Does that make Jason Campbell LESS of a Leader, or stand up guy, because he has pointed this out constantly, to explain the mistakes that HE has made on the field?
Mistic, Don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Hilarious. It takes more than one half of football to leas a team. Of course he is going to stay over the bye week. That is the standard now in Oakland , jc established that ethic during last year and the off season. Palmer must do it to fit in & get up to speed.
Sorry I need to see more than a couple of days before I believe he isn’t the me first diva he was with the bungles.
That being said I will repeat he may embrace the role now & change. It isn’t impossible for a person to change just unlikely. I hope he turns it around.
This has nothing to do with any socalled double standard. When you louse it up on the field just admit it & save the excuses. It makes the whole team look bad & can cause contraversy
October 24th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Jeff Garcia said on the Game FM today, that the reason Boller is still collecting a check from and NFL team, is that he will NEVER challenge the Starter for his job…which in turn, keeps the starters confidence up, because he won’t be looking over is shoulder every week. He said there are guys all over the league who are in that same position, and what happened to Boller on Sunday was their worst nightmare. To be forced into strting and getting exposed as incompetent.
Can’t say he doesn’t have an axe to grind, and it’s only his opinion, but the guy had been in the league for wuite a while…
B
October 24th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
I don’t know, I took another look at that 4th and goal and I think Bush had a TD if he cuts out instead of in. Tong had the OLB walled off. Safety was late to the play, wouldn’t have enough momentum to stop him.
Johnson got there fast but Bush was moving slow.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Is that why Boller was kept on the team, so that HueJax couldn’t bench Campbell?
I think the Raiders should have put more thought into the backup QB position.
For a 1st & 2nd round draft picks…..who know’s what Palmer is going to do. All happy talk, aside.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Funny that a Carson taking a lot of heat for his exchange w/ the media after the game,
but Bush who ” had a good game” is getting a pass.
When you lose 28-0 at home, NO ONE had a good game, regardless of what he numbers are.
Besides 20 of his 99 came on a draw on 3 and 29.
MBush seems to be a disgruntled employee right now, and when he had his opportunity to dominate a game, he came up with a mediocre performance at best…
October 24th, 2011 at 10:47 pm
Then Bush makes a great play on a screen (called back for penalty), then right after, has a great run on a draw play.
He’s nice, needs to be used more in tandem with DMC, but not sure you get cute with a guy like that.
Just get him rolling.
Also, think I might have to give some props to B, couple others who liked Tonga. He keeps getting better.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Campbell playes a lot better when he wasn’t lookning over his shoulder.
Maybe a little tin foil hat, but I could see it.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
What’s funny is how many times have we heard Jason Campbell bring up the fact that…
“I haven’t played in the same system for more than one year.” or
“I have had to play with a different offensive coordinator every single year.”
That sounds like the same manner of statement that Palmer made to me!
Does that make Jason Campbell LESS of a Leader, or stand up guy, because he has pointed this out constantly, to explain the mistakes that HE has made on the field?
Mistic, Don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
This has nothing to do with any so called double standard. When you louse it up on the field just admit it & save the excuses. It makes the whole team look bad & can cause contraversy
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Mistic-
Funny you made no comment on the statements by Jason Campbell several times over the last two seasons.
So when Jason Campbell stinks up the field like he did last season, in his first start for us in Tennessee, and again against Miami, and against San Francisco, it’s ok for HIM to give reasons, extenuating circumstances and excuses.
But when Carson Palmer says,
“I have to play better, and I WILL, but keep in mind that it has been a whirlwind week for me, and I didn’t even realize I would be playing in the NFL until 4 days ago. Therefore once I get up to speed and get familiar with my receivers I will play better”….
YOU call that a LACK OF LEADERSHIP?!?
ROTFL…
Miss me with that weak talk bruh!
Your man crush with Jason Campbell and blatant ‘hatin’ on anybody else under center is making you look real bad fam.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
And how bout the run D?
The biggest issue on Sunday was the QB to WR hookup and that will be corrected.
October 24th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
hue thibking he is mike martz is the reason they lost the game…
October 24th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
When I saw the Raiders deviating away from their strengths on Sunday and relying too much on a QB driven team, I literally shat my drawers. Maybe Hue knew, after he lost DMAC, that Bush just don’t generate enough steam to plow the ball, he was forced to rely on Bollers passing game. Which in turn was fvcking brutal. It was a big pile of sch1t rolling down hill after that. But this I know about Hue and the Raiders: when they go to KC, the Raiders will kick the fvcking sch1t right out of their asses.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
And to be fair to Hue, the first half — he called a pretty good game.
Pryor play was good design, just a bit too hurried. First flea flicker shoulda been a TD. Second INT could have been a big gain or TD… incomplete out of bounds at worst.
Lot of timing issues in the second half, but seems like things started getting forced there.
Can’t really blame him. Boller was really, really bad.
Second flea flicker should have been completed. Boller was super late and DHB had a chance at it, but couldn’t make a tough catch. 3rd down, Hagan had a DB draped all over him. Also had a chance at a tough catch but would have been 4th down anyway.
We were INT, punt, downs, INT, punt, INT with Boller. Could be a little out of order. Maybe another punt in there somewhere, LOL.
You’d also like to see Carson on the sidelines with Campbell and Pryor, but he did just kind of take their jobs, so, maybe too soon.
He did try to get the O fired up when he got in there.
No doubt that Palmer will be good but you gotta wonder about the effect the trade had on the locker room.
Gonna take some time.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Not worried about the salary cap. It always works itself out. That won’t change. We keep getting players. We keep getting cap questions that always seem to work out some way. The day of the Palmer trade John Clayton said there was no way we would get him because of his cap number. Ask Clayton who the new guy is for us wearing #3?
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Pretty much. Campbell will likely be gone next year. Other veteran FAs who might be gone include Bush, Carlisle, Barnes, and Heyer. Even better we wont have all that dead money that we lost this year to Asomugha and Gallery. So even though some guys like Palmer and Seymour will have high salary increases next year, we’ll be fine. We wont have any high paid rookies coming in next year either.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Sucks that we gotta wait two weeks before we can see the Raids whoop-ass Denver and put behind us this train wreck of a game.
Oakland Raiders 41
Denver butt munchers 10
October 24th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
God, Huey and Saunders play calling was god awful!
They should have ran the ball from get go and implement a short passing game to help Boller and Carson out.
Don’t think it would have mattered, the whole team gets a fat freakin F for that lousy KC effort!
Everyone (coaches and players) needs to wake the hell up and get their heads out of their azzes, because two important divisional games are coming up and are MUST WINS!!!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
Aint it funny how I cant show my face at the water cooler because of this effin embarassment? The Denver game has to be a statement game. It will be all on the line. Play for all the marbles Hue.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Think DHB and Carson need to and will become best MF friends out there.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Bye week couldn’t come at a better time, that’s for damn sure!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Bush got 91 of his 99 yards in the first 40 minutes. They were running. Not enough, but the first half is mainly on Kyle. Hue coulda helped him more, but Kyle was bad.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Carson needs to NOT stare down one receiver and Huey needs to get the running game going to help Carson out.
There needs to be more plays with different formations and motions also.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Fasho, we need to get healthy, get QB-WRs on same page.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Let’s be honest guys….
I didn’t expect to be shut out 28-0 by KC, but I think we all were a little worried about this game because of the instability at the QB position.
If you wanna know how important a stable QB is, just look at perennial playoff and SB discussion team, the Indy Colts.
Right now they are leading the charge in the ‘Suck For Luck’ Sweepstakes.
Fortunately for us, we still have a winning record, and have 2 weeks to prepare.
My biggest concern right now is not Carson Palmer, believe it or not. It is Darren Mcfadden.
He is the single most important person we have on offense.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
I think Boller put to much pressure on himself. Maybe he felt he had to prove he can be a bona-fide QB in the NFL. WTF, did he not understand his roll? These are grown men makin bank. They gotta perform, not piss the fckng bed man. WTF. And why the entire team meltdown? You cant roll over in this game. If you do, you become the other teams b!tch. Figure it the fck out man!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
This is why Huey made the deal for Carson. Couldn’t let crappy Boller be the QB for the rest of the season! Ugh!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
The game Sunday could have been totally different.
If Boller runs for the first down, instead of sliding down three yards short.
If we spread the defense at the goal line, instead of runnning up the middle.
If DVD had stayed in bounds on that interception, instead of stepping out.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
I think the whole team came crashing down emotionally after a roller coaster of a ride of emotions with Al’s death before the Texans game and them pulling that game out….coming back home for a warm welcome, and then winning against the Browns in another emotional game and then losing their starting QB, and then trading for Carson.
Alot has happened to this team in 3 weeks.
The bye comes at a perfect time for the players and coaches!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I walked into a family resturaunt and sat with about 40 family and relatives. There were TVs’ with games on them. After Bollers 3rd pick, I got mad and without thinking, slammed my fist on the table. About five pitchers of beer jumped about 2 or 3 inches. Two of them came down, full, and shattered. Needless to say the table looked like a waterfall. It was quite embarassing.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
Rodent in the Slow Lane Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
I walked into a family resturaunt and sat with about 40 family and relatives. There were TVs’ with games on them. After Bollers 3rd pick, I got mad and without thinking, slammed my fist on the table. About five pitchers of beer jumped about 2 or 3 inches. Two of them came down, full, and shattered. Needless to say the table looked like a waterfall. It was quite embarassing.
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Hahahahaha… Classic.
I completely feel your pain!
October 24th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
Palmer didn’t have a bad third seriese either. Took ‘em down to the red zone, looked pretty good. Moved well in the pocket, made a tremendous throw to Hagan (who was interefered with) off his back foot.
His throw to Moore was a bit behind 17, but he’s gotta make that catch and help his QB.
Hue’s right. The sky is not falling. Got gray for a minute, but we’ll be ok.
I think I said this was 2006esque, but it really wasn’t
Protection was decent, playcalling wasn’t as bad as it seems on paper. DHB had a great game, so did Bush. Defense played well.
Timing issues.
Will get worked out.
I’m out.
Be good.
October 24th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
series*
October 25th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Did Mr. Murphy have alligator arms (again) on that int?
October 25th, 2011 at 12:15 am
Not that it’s any consolation, but 4-1 Baltimore just lost to 1-5 Jacksonville, a team that was worse than the KC team that beat us.
Just goes to show that in this league there are NO EASY WINS, or GIMME games.
You have to go out and earn it every single week. Because just like the infamous movie title…
in today’s NFL especially, it truly is ‘Any Given Sunday’.
October 25th, 2011 at 12:29 am
Armchair that was a clutch force fumble by Mr. Curry on first and goal, we get that recovery, momentum is all Raiders.
October 25th, 2011 at 1:27 am
We will re-group from this. Going into the KC game, most of us felt that Boller is not the answer. There’s no doubt to that question now. This bye week will give our players the necessary time to get their timing and tendencies down.
Denarius Moore hasn’t had a lot of opportunities up until the KC games. The timing was definitely off between both QBs and the WRs. DHB once again showed that he is our most consistent WR at this point. We’ll need Ford to step up. Louis Murphy is not playing very well, so I would rather see Hagen have more snaps. His sure hands will help Palmer. If McFadden is out, I think Oakland must insert more plays with Taiwan Jones. It is time for us to see if he is truly an NFL player.
October 25th, 2011 at 1:35 am
20.Method To My Madness Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
Palmer will get past this and win some games I believe…ill give him a chance
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That doesn’t sound like Brien.
Maybe I’m reading it wron.
Are you saying it was Palmer’s fault?!
The fault lies with Hue’s lousy play calling this week and the reality that Boller sucks.
In addition, Hue had no business in even sending Palmer in to play.
What was he going to do having just been with team three days, not playing for a year, knowing very little of the playbook, and having no familiarity with receivers at all?
Palmer should be good for us although I still don’t think he’s worth two first round picks.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:03 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Ok, please…can you all just stop with “palmer was not worth 2 picks…” Blah blah blah! What is done is done! Complaining about it is not gonna make it go away or make it better! Palmer will be fine, the team will be fine, we ALL will be fine!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:14 am
COULD HAVE TRADED SOMEBODY OFF THE PRACTICE SQUAD 4 PALMER AND SOME HERE WOULD BICH..I UNDERSTAND THIS IS A PLACE 2 VOICE OPINIONS BUT MAN..MOVE ON..
October 25th, 2011 at 6:22 am
Dirt Lot, what’s up man? What to do this weekend? No Raider football…gonna be a boring Sunday! Only because I really don’t watch football except for the Raiders…
October 25th, 2011 at 6:23 am
This is the reason why Michael Bush will be on this team unless Taiwan Jones ever steps up. But we will get another RB before Bush (DMACs insurance) is ever traded.
We have to get our key players healthy.
http://content.usatoday.com/communities/thehuddle/post/2011/10/raiders-hope-to-have-rb-darren-mcfadden-back-from-foot-sprain-following-bye-week/1
October 25th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Good Morning CJ…yeah, every time DMAC goes out…I cringe! I think Bush will be fine, but yeah, Taiwan needs to get moving!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:32 am
Morning AMers. I needed a day away from here yesterday. That was a tough game to watch. Felt like the Russell era all over again.
I plant the loss squarely on Hue. A circus was made out of the whole Palmer thing (which is hardly all Hue’s fault, but he could have put a halt to it and just named Boller the starter) which was just a giant distraction all week. This team is very young and just learning how to win. We can’t overcome distractions like this yet.
The play calling was just bad. We need to run the ball more. We are trying way too hard (even with Campbell the last few weeks) to force a passing game. We should be rushing 65/35 at this point. When we DO pass the ball we need to maximise our recievers talents (read-speed) and get them short routes in space. We dont have to the throw deep EVERY time we throw the ball.
That said, I have a lot of faith in what Hue is doing. I think he will get this ship righted, and we will see our explosive offense out there against Denver. Good things are still on the horizon.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:36 am
Jackson said he still feels comfortable using Boller if the need arises.
“There’s no question in my mind,” Jackson said.
He added that the way things unfolded wasn’t all Boller’s fault.
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Puke!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:37 am
HWNRDR,I HEAR U.HOW ABOUT A MAJOR PARTY/TAILGATE AT UR PLACE ?
October 25th, 2011 at 6:37 am
There’s a widespread belief that the Raiders weren’t well prepared for the Chiefs on Sunday – Corkran
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Obviously!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:38 am
DOUBLE PUKE !!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:39 am
co-sign BCZ’s comment #404
well said.
pretty much goes with everything I stated yesterday
October 25th, 2011 at 6:40 am
Would not let me post yesterday afternoon. Guess it won’t let me say the Lions will soften up the donkeys next week.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:42 am
REPOST(S):
I had a packed house full of people yesterday who weren’t Raider fans.
In fact, i’m surrounded by Chiefs fans; at work, at church and in my wife’s family. There is no escaping them
Yesterday was the Super Bowl for me …
KC has won 3 straight and just spanked us at our place 28-0. First time they’ve shut out an opponent on the road since 1973 – Ten years before I was born!
Now I have to hear them talk until Christmas Eve.
The Raiders weren’t prepared to play a football game. Jim Otto lit the torch like we were gonna win this game for Al Davis. He would be disgusted. We haven’t been focused all week. Between trying to fool the media on who the starting Qb will be, trying to find a replacement for Seabass and trying to get creative on defense with blitzes and such … we completely lost our way. We didn’t play Raider football.
I bought a dogg named “Hue”, showed him off to all my friends, spoke highly of him and when I brought him home the first thing he did was crap on my carpet!
Why was Boller taking so many deep shots down the field? the gameplan should have been run-run-run. play action pass. dump offs. screens. We didn’t need Campbell, DMAC or Jano to win this game. KC was awful yesterday. We handed them a victory and I feel bad for the guys who attended the game. Raider fans deserve better
the Raiders were flagged 14 times for 120 yards? 6 INT’s? We would have lost to Miami or Indy playing like we did yesterday!
I wasn’t upset when we brought Boller in last year to be #3 QB for the vet minimum
When he personally choked against Jacksonville (throwing an INT subbing for injured JCamp) I knew I didn’t want him back in any capacity.
Then we re-signed him for 1-year at $1.8 million or whatever it was … to be the #2 QB!
I told you guys that we should have traded Boller, Nmiller & Eugene to Dungver during the offseason in exchange for Tim Tebow when he was 4th in their QB depth chart!
Tebow would have won the game for us yesterday. Boller is trash. Palmer & Pryor weren’t ready
October 25th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Anyone else have problems with posting. Seems like the site cuts out comments and does not let you post until the next day.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:43 am
406.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 6:37 am
HWNRDR,I HEAR U.HOW ABOUT A MAJOR PARTY/TAILGATE AT UR PLACE ?
Hey, I’m down for that!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Lions will soften up the donkeys next week
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Exla,
Tebow is the QB for Denver now. Detroit has lost 2 straight
Lions have no running game. Dungver could roll with 6 DB’s all game long. Plus QB Matt Stafford is “nicked”
October 25th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Exla,
quit swearing!
your posts are all awaiting moderation …
October 25th, 2011 at 6:45 am
later gents
work 2 do
October 25th, 2011 at 6:45 am
Rockstar, do you think Denver is really that good? That comeback was impressive, but come on…where was Tebow for the first 56 minutes?
October 25th, 2011 at 6:47 am
387.DKnight007 Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
This is why Huey made the deal for Carson. Couldn’t let crappy Boller be the QB for the rest of the season! Ugh!
But, I think that hue has disillusioned himself with believing that Boller is better than Edwards…thats not what I feel, I believe that Edwards is a better QB than Boller, which really isn’t saying much. I heard that for some reason there may have been some issue between him hue & Edwards. But it is pretty clear that he must prepare Prior to be the #2 though…I do not understant this affinity he has with Boller??? He should not even be in the NFL,he couldn’t start for a High School team.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Detroit is not Miami. Detroits dline is going to be hell for Denver. Tebow may not make it out of that game healthy
October 25th, 2011 at 6:47 am
Lions defense will hurt the donkeys. Denver is without their main running back. I’m just saying that Denver will be beat up after playing the physical Lions. Not saying they will win.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:51 am
***Not just Boller’s and Palmer’s faught****
I had a chance to review the game last night and look at individual clips mainly the interceptions and it was clear to see other issues as well. On two of Boeller’s ints an o-line man blew an assignment. One made a move and came straight through the line. On another play the d-lineman came straight through untouched on a blown assignment. Boeller did throw twice into double coverage when he was rushed though. He would have done better just to pull the ball down and take the sack.
Palmer was responsible for the 1st INT but the second wnet off the WRs hands and they made a bad play on the ball. What was more alarming was they were not willing to sell out for the ball. On the third INT the WR had achance to catch it and juggled the ball and slipped or fell down, but lack of concentration all day by our WRs and no fight for the ball. You have to help out your QB, especially when they only have 10% of a play book. Plus, it looks like JC had way more zip on the ball than Palmer or Boller. JC was not a top 10 QB in the league but I think we will miss the guy. Don’t look for a trade when that coller bone heals up yet!
October 25th, 2011 at 6:53 am
Yeah apparently Hue and Trent had a ‘falling out’. Trent declined to come back when Campbell was hurt, and Schefter reported saying Trent didn’t want to come back for Hue.
Hue has a strong personality and is not for everyone.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:53 am
ArmChair GM Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
What’s funny is how many times have we heard Jason Campbell bring up the fact that…
“I haven’t played in the same system for more than one year.” or
“I have had to play with a different offensive coordinator every single year.”
That sounds like the same manner of statement that Palmer made to me!
Does that make Jason Campbell LESS of a Leader, or stand up guy, because he has pointed this out constantly, to explain the mistakes that HE has made on the field?
Mistic, Don’t have a double standard bruh!
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 24th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
This has nothing to do with any so called double standard. When you louse it up on the field just admit it & save the excuses. It makes the whole team look bad & can cause contraversy
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Mistic-
Funny you made no comment on the statements by Jason Campbell several times over the last two seasons.
So when Jason Campbell stinks up the field like he did last season, in his first start for us in Tennessee, and again against Miami, and against San Francisco, it’s ok for HIM to give reasons, extenuating circumstances and excuses.
But when Carson Palmer says,
“I have to play better, and I WILL, but keep in mind that it has been a whirlwind week for me, and I didn’t even realize I would be playing in the NFL until 4 days ago. Therefore once I get up to speed and get familiar with my receivers I will play better”….
YOU call that a LACK OF LEADERSHIP?!?
ROTFL…
Miss me with that weak talk bruh!
Your man crush with Jason Campbell and blatant ‘hatin’ on anybody else under center is making you look real bad fam.
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The difference is that JC never has been known a’s anything other than a pro. He doesn’t have & never has had the baggage that Carson has. Many here don’t want to acknowledge palmers role in terms of the utter flops that took place in cincy. Carson has to prove that he isn’t the quitter that couldn’t lead in cincy. It is fair for me to point it out & take a wait & see approach.
For the final time my view on Palmer is about Palmer only. Jc wasn’t in cincy nor did he quit. Carson is a different case with his own issues he must resolve. Cover your eyes & hide the warts if you want, but I will always call a spade a spade.
October 25th, 2011 at 6:58 am
403.hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Good Morning CJ…yeah, every time DMAC goes out…I cringe! I think Bush will be fine, but yeah, Taiwan needs to get moving!
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Morning Hownrdr I tell you what I saw pieces of the game last night. It was painful to watch man. Do you know why they shut down Schilens? They did not even let him dress for the game. Also, did Hagan play at all? If Hue was such a strategist would you have not kept him around to play when Palmer came in teh game since they worked together all summer?
October 25th, 2011 at 6:59 am
Hagan was in the game.
Drew the PI on Flowers in the 4th in the redzone.
He also dropped a 3rd down pass from Boller.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Wow J Hill my boy Hagan dropped a 3rd downer? D@mn!!!
October 25th, 2011 at 7:01 am
I agree with the post last night that said Bush needs to be aback that gets about 30 yds a game, and 2 TDs.
SD’s back Tolbert is the type of back Bush needs to be.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Plus, it looks like JC had way more zip on the ball than Palmer or Boller. JC was not a top 10 QB in the league but I think we will miss the guy. Don’t look for a trade when that coller bone heals up yet!
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I disagree, I saw a lot of drops be receivers and the first thing that game to my mind was, they arent prepared for the velocity of Palmers throws.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:02 am
It looked and sound like everyone was playing bad. It seems like it is a bllessing we have a bye this week. Hope we regroup get healthy and start showing some fight once again.
Man I would love to see this team just one time with all of our starters healthy.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:03 am
426.CJ Legend 34 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Wow J Hill my boy Hagan dropped a 3rd downer? D@mn!!!
Hey CJ…yes he did! He was also the one trying to calm the crowd down when Boller came out to start the 3rd qtr! Right after that, Boller fumbled the snap!
October 25th, 2011 at 7:03 am
The CB was all over him, and he was actually asking for a flag. Would’ve been a yard or so short of the first down too.
I still think Hagan and Chaz should be getting ALL of the playing time outside with DHB.
Moore and Ford should be working outta the slot when we go 3 and 4 WRs.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:04 am
428.bcz24 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Plus, it looks like JC had way more zip on the ball than Palmer or Boller. JC was not a top 10 QB in the league but I think we will miss the guy. Don’t look for a trade when that coller bone heals up yet!
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I disagree, I saw a lot of drops be receivers and the first thing that game to my mind was, they arent prepared for the velocity of Palmers throws.
Good Morning Bcz24…isn’t that what has been said that the receivers have tobe ready for the ball when Palmer is in there because of the wuick release and velocity?
October 25th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Also, I heard that Chaz was benched for Murphy…really?
October 25th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Schilens was shut down because we needed the extra roster spot for the 3rd QB.
Has anyone pointed out just how well our defense played on Sunday? We limited KC to 300 yards of offense (169 passing and 131 rushing) with our offense doing them no favors (6 picks and who knows how many 3 and outs)
October 25th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Deion Sanders said it on sunday.
It’s hard for a QB to enter the game down 21 points, the DB’s are sitting on routes and gambling because if they give up a big play, they still have a 2 TD lead.
Palmer wasn’t expected to come in and save the game, he was just in to get some action, get used to the speed of the game again.
Stop trying to read too much on Palmer’s performance.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:06 am
Plus, it looks like JC had way more zip on the ball than Palmer or Boller. JC was not a top 10 QB in the league but I think we will miss the guy. Don’t look for a trade when that coller bone heals up yet!
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I disagree, I saw a lot of drops be receivers and the first thing that game to my mind was, they arent prepared for the velocity of Palmers throws.
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Agreed.
Slant pass to Ford pops off his hands.
D Moore drop that turns into a pick.
Murphy drop where Palmer threaded the needle.
Of course we can talk about the darts that were caught by DHBeast!
JC could zip it, but more often than not, he threw that floater.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:08 am
Also, I heard that Chaz was benched for Murphy…really?
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I’ve been saying that.
What other conclusion can I draw?
Chaz said he was fine. Was on the sidelines looking just fine. Said he’s ready to play.
It’s going to have to be somebody though. We are not going to have 6 WR active on Sunday.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:08 am
I am so impressed with DHB the last few weeks. Man that crow tastes damn good. DHB has really turned into a hell of a receiver. When he gets the ‘run under the deep ball’ talent into his game this kid is going to be in the top in the league. He also seems to be developing into a real possesion receiver. Very impressive.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:14 am
What I’m most encouraged by is our defense.
Curry, Ndukwe, and DVD add A LOT to this defense.
Blackstock looked better than I thought he would filling in for McClain.
I really like how this unit is coming together.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Anybody judging palmers on field performance from Sunday is being a bit unfair. Yes he has a history of throwing awful picks, but he basically walked in off the street. I don’t think we will really know what Carson has left until next year.
Sometimes a guy needs a fresh start, & maybe Palmer is one of those guys. He is steve Austin at this point…… We can rebuild him……I hope
October 25th, 2011 at 7:15 am
He also seems to be developing into a real possesion receiver.
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And we should keep milking that. With his size, power, and RAC ability, it would be silly to use him any other way.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:20 am
How about the false start penalty on Pryor. What kind of crap was that? He motioned under center, said hut took the snap and got the first. I have never heard of such crap that a motion man was be set for a full second before the ball is snapped. I counted at least 20 instances since that penalty was called where the motion man was still in motion at the snap.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Oh and how was there not AT LEAST illegal contact on the Murphy deep pass late?
October 25th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Mystic…lol…Steve Austin…dam you’re going way back now…There may be a few people in here who don’t know who that is!
October 25th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Another question. Why was Bush running the wild cat on 4th down at the goalline? That was the PERFECT opportunity to put Pryor in.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:23 am
I think they should have spread it out, then maybe the run would have been there! They kept running him, I believe the D only had to key in on him because we never changed it up! I’m thinking back to that SD game where they faked Bush and everyone, even the cameraman was fooled as JC strutted into the endzone!
October 25th, 2011 at 7:27 am
This is a place for me to vent my frustrations and I could give a rats @ss what anybody thinks, here it goes:
I hate the Queafs more than any other team ever, and watching Bowe taunt the black hole and that Bum Haley with his gay rally beard made me gag. To lose this way to this team hurts more than the buffalo game.
Boller is the number 2 reason the game was lost. He should not be on an nfl roster, he couldnt hit the side of a barn. Get this bum outta here. Forget the 3 int’s, he made me revisit the Jamarcus era and I dont think he even played this bad. Pryor needs to be upgraded to backup role from here on out, I’d rather take my chances with Pryor than Donald Hollas II.
Huey is the number 1 reason this game was lost. The playcalling was atrocious. Does he not realize that teams have had a full season to game plan against your scheme and things will not be the same as in year one? Does he not realize that after one failed flea flicker you are not gonna full anyone with a second? Another stupid 4th down attempt with a real stupid play call at that. After I saw Bush and Taiwan rolling you would think you would keep feeding them the ball but no, lets air it out with Jabowler. Make no excuses for him this time, this is the NFL, you are not gonna full anyone twice, you are not coaching WR’s anymore, man the f up and stop creating a circus atmosphere.
I will not say anything bad about Carson until after his 5th or 6th game but man was he unprepared and Huey’s stupid play calling did him no favors either. Do not make any excuses for this guy who clearly knows what was given up for him and clearly understands the offense is on his shoulders now to keep rolling. ‘
It is obvious teams have devised a blueprint against Huey’s offense, now its up to him to counter with some new schitt now that Palmer is here.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:29 am
I know a lot has been said about the playcalling (by me in particular), but Hue didn’t really call a bad game, he just made the mistake of calling some of these plays for a Kyle Boller.
I’d imagine we would have continued to pound the rock, but being down 21-0, then 28-0 in the 4th, Hue decided to just get Carson’s feet soaked.
Bush had 91 of his 99 yards in the first 40 minutes.
Didn’t even play the second half of the 4th quarter, as Hue decided to give Taiwan a look-see (and he looked pretty good).
Not as bad as it looks on paper.
Carson actually did some good things, made some really nice throws.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Go back and watch, people.
Bush not getting in on 4th and goal is on Bush. He should have walked in off left tackle. Tonga had the OLB taken care of.
Johnson came in quick but Bush completely missed on that one.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:32 am
Kyle left at least 14 points on the field. Carson 7, maybe 14 as well.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:40 am
Naw best pass easily was Palmer’s incompletion to Murphy toward the blackhole. Louis has no ball skills cuz that ass looked like it was going outta bounds but it curved back into the field. I had perfect view and was impressed. The WRs will have to adjust to his passes
October 25th, 2011 at 7:41 am
DHB is not just catching the ball now but his ability to run after the catch is what is impressing me.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Does anybody know what the rule is regarding fumbling before reaching the endzone and someone recovering in the endzone? I thought you could not get forward progress unless the ball carrier recovers his own fumble and I was under the impression if you do not fumble in the endzone it cannot be ruled a TD. Maybe im wrong but that is how I thought the rule was supposed to be enforced. If it isn’t, that is almost as horrible a rule as the tuck rule.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Bcz24 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:08 am
I am so impressed with DHB the last few weeks. Man that crow tastes damn good. DHB has really turned into a hell of a receiver. When he gets the ‘run under the deep ball’ talent into his game this kid is going to be in the top in the league. He also seems to be developing into a real possesion receiver. Very impressive.
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Crow is really tasty bcz I know.
DHB is our most reliable receiver. I can’t believe I’m saying that. No wait the crow. Yes I can. He has come along well. Good job sanjay lal!!!
October 25th, 2011 at 7:42 am
LA, no cooper totally missed his block otherwise Bush walks in. A pulling guard suppose to ace that defender
October 25th, 2011 at 7:43 am
JR77 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Does anybody know what the rule is regarding fumbling before reaching the endzone and someone recovering in the endzone? I thought you could not get forward progress unless the ball carrier recovers his own fumble and I was under the impression if you do not fumble in the endzone it cannot be ruled a TD. Maybe im wrong but that is how I thought the rule was supposed to be enforced. If it isn’t, that is almost as horrible a rule as the tuck rule.
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I was saying the same thing to people at the game
October 25th, 2011 at 7:43 am
B,
I would go watch it again.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Yeah I think the recievers and CP just need to jell a bit. I agree I don’t think they are ready for the red hot throw from CP. We are going to miss Soup. I can’t imagine he wants to be a back up. I think he’s going to ask for a trade. If we are all in with CP then he needs to be traded and given his shot again. He’s earned it several times over.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:44 am
B:
If Murphy doesn’t throw his hands up looking for a flag and continues his route, he has a chance for that ball…
Murphy’s had more gaffs than catches this year,
very disappointing…
October 25th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Coop missed that block, but Bush didn’t need that hole, he’s walking in if he keeps his head up and sees the whole left side of the field.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Get Murphy the fk off the field. He doesnt goo all out for the ball and is playing scared. Right now it should be DHB-Chaz-Hagan……moore and ford havent been on point lately. We need some guys who want it
October 25th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:42 am
LA, no cooper totally missed his block otherwise Bush walks in. A pulling guard suppose to ace that defender
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tonga should have been in on this play. With a QB an regular formation. No wild cat sh$t here just shove it down they throat
October 25th, 2011 at 7:47 am
Bush won’t be on this team next year, he’s been running like a panzy. A guy that big and fast needs to be bulldozing the line of scrimmage, making holes that aren’t there. Bush has been nothing short of a disapointment to me so far this year. It’s like he’s not even really trying anymore and I seriously doubt he’s going to have to any big offers after this season from anyone else.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Tonga was in and completely handled the OLB.
B, I need to give you some much due props, Tonga’s getting good.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Bush had a solid game. I agree, he needs to run like he’s a big back, but he will be a tremendous asset this year.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:50 am
LA the play is meant for him to run off the pulling guard tho
October 25th, 2011 at 7:51 am
I really hope we don’t bring in TJ Houshmanzadeh! I’ve been hearing rumblings around the net that we might be.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:53 am
B, I feel ya but when a play breaks down, you gotta find a way. Bush got put in a tough position, so that play is a 50-50 at that point but I think he should have got 6 there.
I thought Bush played well. Only play he probably wants back.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:53 am
I’ll take Bush and he will start next game and run well on Denver. Sit DMAC and play him the SD game. We will have 2 games in a four day span. Lets not get crazy and rush DMAC back. We need bush
October 25th, 2011 at 7:54 am
467
don’t need him.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:54 am
467.raiderjhawk Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:51 am
I really hope we don’t bring in TJ Houshmanzadeh! I’ve been hearing rumblings around the net that we might be.
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Actually I think he would be an upgrade over Murphy, so would TO and Carson does have some chemistry with both, bringing in at least one of them could be what Carson needs to get rolling
October 25th, 2011 at 7:55 am
I was never really on the ledge, but after watching the game, I’m backed away even further from it. I’m off the bridge, on the sidewalk, eating a hot dog, watching everybody else up there trippin out.
Loss still sucks, but it looks a lot worse on paper.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Tonga does look pretty good. Have to say I’m somewhat surprised. I liked him in college but didn’t think all that much of him these last couple of preseasons. Kid may be a gamer.
Still, it’ll be nice to get Reece back and the matchup problems he poses for opposing defenses. Tonga is the better blocker, but Reece the more valuable offensive weapon.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Bush played well but it was lost in site of the defeat. Dmac plays well against Denver. But if he’s not 100 then lather up bush an let’s roll
October 25th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Look guys….I been yelling for Tonga becuz I watch alot of teams from out west play in college. BYU had a good run game and Tonga showed ability in blocking,running and recieving. He loooks to hit someone and HARD TOO!….when its time to beat NE,Bmore and pitt you need rough mfkers like that to do it
October 25th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Murphy was pretty bad in that game.
He should have for sure scored a TD on the on play B was talking about and had a shot at the one where he threw his arms up asking for a PI BEFORE the ball even gets there. Woulda been a tough catch, but definitely catchable.
October 25th, 2011 at 7:58 am
I will not say anything bad about Carson until after his 5th or 6th game but man was he unprepared and Huey’s stupid play calling did him no favors either. Do not make any excuses for this guy who clearly knows what was given up for him and clearly understands the offense is on his shoulders now to keep rolling. ‘
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No sh1t he wasn’t ready. He was retired a week ago. WTF did you expect to see out of him?
October 25th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Reece’s playmaking is needed I agree. Never said I want him off the team. I wonder what they do with him now that we got Carson
October 25th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Its like we said on Sunday, down 21, did we really expect Palmer to lead us to a come from behind victory? He was thrown into a very tough situation!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
LA…no one is open in NFL….A QB THROWS BALL TO AREA…..its wr job to make a play and Murphy didnt. Palmer laced that pass
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
I agree B…seems like he’s always looking for a flag!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
I told all u tonga haters in here way back in the pre season
he’s a true FB an should gave made the roster from the start.
I thought we should carry two FB. An guess what??
I was correct.
An there was only a few others that agreed way back then.
Eat crow folks on this one. Y’all slept!!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Despite 3 INTs, I thought Carson played pretty well for a semiretired guy off the couch/street,high school field.
You can instantly tell he’s a guy that can make all the throws.
He made a huge error on the pick six, and looks like he overthrew Murphy on his last INT (dont’t know if it was bad route or bad throw, but I think bad throw).
The deflected INT was thrown a bit behind Moore but should have been caught.
He looked good on play action, was throwing the ball hard and on the Murphy deep throw, had some really nice touch.
P.S. I think Carson and DHB gonna be connecting for a long time.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:04 am
477, I expect not to see 3 picks with a pick 6 for a guy you gave away the farm for…but that’s ok, not his fault what was given up, I attribute it to the way Huey jerked everyone around and created a circus atmosphere, then not bringing him earlier to dust off some cob webs and giving him more plays to get rolling. IMO, he should have been brought in after the pick 6.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
LA…no one is open in NFL….A QB THROWS BALL TO AREA…..its wr job to make a play and Murphy didnt. Palmer laced that pass
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Which one?
The one where Murphy wanted PI, or the one where he didn’t track the ball?
October 25th, 2011 at 8:04 am
Palmer will be ready next game. We more talented than Denver and will show it
October 25th, 2011 at 8:05 am
I think he threw Murphy open on the one I’m thinking of.
Example of why Boller is so bad. On first flea flicker, DHB shoulda had 6.
If Kyle throws him open, it’s an easy TD.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:06 am
B,
on that last INT to from Palmer
Murphy clearly could have made a play on that pass. He pulled up.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:07 am
LA the one he tried for PI….carson laced it and it was best pass of day by far….ball curved
October 25th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Remember we barely beat the Doncos last time – I don’t care what the score was. If it wasn’t raining like crazy and the Doncos throwing every down that game could have come out a lot different.
Just don’t believe the hype, just play ball!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Cain that was near my endzone…..louis punked out
October 25th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Totally b. He flat out gave up
Murphy has regressed badly. IMO
October 25th, 2011 at 8:13 am
LA, no cooper totally missed his block otherwise Bush walks in. A pulling guard suppose to ace that defender
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Same thing happened on a 3rd and 1. 66 just whiffed on Johnson. Was surprised the zebras gave us the 1st dn.
LA is right about that 1 play though. Tonga had the OLB sealed and Bush would have walked in. S would not have had a chance to stop him.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Sit DMAC until thurs nite game…then he gets ten days off to play in minny. Hue dont be a dummy!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:15 am
Bush not getting in on 4th and goal is on Bush. He should have walked in off left tackle. Tonga had the OLB taken care of.
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My bad, I was talking about an earlier play in that sequence where Tonga had the RIGHT side sealed off.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:16 am
480.Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:01 am
LA…no one is open in NFL….A QB THROWS BALL TO AREA…..its wr job to make a play and Murphy didnt. Palmer laced that pass
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LOL… tell that to Greg Jennings who walked in for a 78 yard td! Haha.
I agree though, our WRs did nothing to help either QB in that game.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:20 am
bcz24 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:20 am
How about the false start penalty on Pryor. What kind of crap was that? He motioned under center, said hut took the snap and got the first. I have never heard of such crap that a motion man was be set for a full second before the ball is snapped. I counted at least 20 instances since that penalty was called where the motion man was still in motion at the snap.
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I cant remember what game it was or which teams playing but I’ve seen the refs make the same call on a simuliar trick play attempt before. Maybe it was Indy. Cant remember. You have to be careful though when your motion man takes the snap. The NFL doesnt want the ball snapped to a guy who is in motion. So Pryor needs to be obvious about being set if he’s going to take the snap.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:24 am
497.uglyorc Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:20 am
bcz24 Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:20 am
How about the false start penalty on Pryor. What kind of crap was that? He motioned under center, said hut took the snap and got the first. I have never heard of such crap that a motion man was be set for a full second before the ball is snapped. I counted at least 20 instances since that penalty was called where the motion man was still in motion at the snap.
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I cant remember what game it was or which teams playing but I’ve seen the refs make the same call on a simuliar trick play attempt before. Maybe it was Indy. Cant remember. You have to be careful though when your motion man takes the snap. The NFL doesnt want the ball snapped to a guy who is in motion. So Pryor needs to be obvious about being set if he’s going to take the snap.
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And it was the Raiders who the zebras hate anyway.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Yeah, I just watched that 4th and goal play again, and it was just a bad job by Bush. Bush was so quick to make up his mind where he was going, he go there before Carlisle could even make a block on Johnson.
You just have to give credit to Johnson on that entire series. 1st and goal would have been a walk in but he literally tackled Tonga in the hole by taking out his legs instead of engaging him head up. Bush ran right into the back of Tonga.
2nd and goal, Wiz is pulling and engages a man that the TE is already blocking leaving Bush and Johnson to go head up. Johnson takes his legs out and stops him cold.
4th and goal, Bush sees an opening, one on one with Jonshon, AGAIN Johnson goes low and stops him cold.
DMac would have put the shake on that guy or dove over him. Johnson went low every single time and Bush never made the adjustment.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Tonga does look pretty good. Have to say I’m somewhat surprised. I liked him in college but didn’t think all that much of him these last couple of preseasons. Kid may be a gamer.
Still, it’ll be nice to get Reece back and the matchup problems he poses for opposing defenses. Tonga is the better blocker, but Reece the more valuable offensive weapon.
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Any true NFL FB is a better blocker than Reece. That doesnt mean Tonga should start or even be on the roster when Reece comes back. Reece isnt a bad blocker at all. Tonga looks ok but not great. Dont like Tonga’s receiving skills at all. We couldnt punch in the TD either. Tonga still looks like a bubble player to me.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:34 am
Palmer will work extra with receivers during the bye
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on October 25, 2011, 11:19 AM EDT
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Oakland’s biggest two weeks of the season may come without any games being played. Carson Palmer is about to take a crash course in the Raiders offense.
The team will practice the next two days during the bye week, and then Palmer will work separately with his receivers away from the coaching staff.
“Yeah, I think that’s more important than going home,” Jacoby Ford told CSNBayArea.com. “Everybody wants to go home, but you definitely want to get this thing right with Carson.”
Palmer said he hopes to get his timing and rhythm going with the young wideouts during the break. It clearly wasn’t there in Palmer’s first regular season showing. All of receivers said they were staying in town to work with Palmer.
Of course, none of the receivers mean as much to the team as Darren McFadden. Oakland’s bye week gives McFadden a chance to recover from the foot sprain he suffered against Kansas City.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:36 am
They practicing on a Tuesday as well? That’s usually their day off. Good for them.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:37 am
J,
I think DMC houses that 35 yarder that Bush took to about the 5, anyway LOL!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:42 am
478.Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:59 am
Reece’s playmaking is needed I agree. Never said I want him off the team. I wonder what they do with him now that we got Carson
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With Boss getting smashed and suffering his 3rd concussion, I think it’s time to get Reece (or Ausberry) involved from a H Back or pass catching TE role.
Line him up in the backfield, motion him out as the 2nd TE, or split out wide. Give him a few looks out of the traditional FB spot to keep the defense honest.
Definitely room for both Reece and Tonga to contribute.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:43 am
Agreed LA,
DMac takes those to the house.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Sit DMAC until thurs nite game…then he gets ten days off to play in minny. Hue dont be a dummy!
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Do we have that luxury since we dropped the KC game and most of our WRs are playing like shiidd?
October 25th, 2011 at 8:46 am
Yeah, no penalty on that helmet-to-helmet on Boss. Blatant, too.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:46 am
I think Jackson intentionally rested DMC cause by the time he came out of the tunnel again, Bush was like 6 for 48 or something.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Hopefully, DMC is 100% when we play Denver. He’s been tearing them up lately.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:52 am
And the Helmet to helmet we got called for I didn’t see at all!
October 25th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Speaking of Boss, is it just me or are we not looking his way enough?
I’ve always felt that hitting the TE early and often opens things up on the outside.
October 25th, 2011 at 8:58 am
I think Haley should be shot! Intentionally trying to hurt our players…is that the only way they can win the west? Well…not saying it’s true but Hue said it for a reason!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:00 am
I swear to God, if any of you think less of Carson Palmer for what you saw on Sunday your the most idiotic bunch of retards I have ever had the misfortune to be in the same fan base of..
The dude has been out of football for 10 months..
2 Weeks ago, he was on the couch watching football like the rest of us..
3 Days ago he got thrown into a game with a whopping total of 3 f’n practices under his belt..What did you expect him to look like? Drew Brees playing against the Colts?
Peyton Manning, Drew Brees, Phillip Rivers, Dan Marino, Joe Montana, F’ing Roger Stauback, A Sober Joe Namath you name it WOULD HAVE LOOKED NO BETTER!!
STFU and let the dude run some plays for the next TWO funkin weeks and see how he comes out against Denver. Jesus H, those of you who thought he would be Joe Montana in his prime after 3 practices are the same guys who have never ONCE sniffed a down of real football in their entire lives, and would be peeing their backwards panties if they were forced to do so.
F-off and die, and leave the football to the real fans AKA. people who know what the UFCK they are looking at.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Joe, I don’t think we’re looking his way enough.
Think Carson will get Bossman more involved, but Boss gotta get healthy first.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:02 am
With Boss getting smashed and suffering his 3rd concussion, I think it’s time to get Reece (or Ausberry) involved from a H Back or pass catching TE role.
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That would have been a concussion for anyone. Boss got crushed.
The helmet to helmet shot Curry got called for was total BS… as usual.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Ravens O not very formidable. Patriots D easy to score on. Depending on how quickly our passing game get’s back on track we can win the AFC
October 25th, 2011 at 9:07 am
500.uglyorc Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 8:32 am
Tonga does look pretty good. Have to say I’m somewhat surprised. I liked him in college but didn’t think all that much of him these last couple of preseasons. Kid may be a gamer.
Still, it’ll be nice to get Reece back and the matchup problems he poses for opposing defenses. Tonga is the better blocker, but Reece the more valuable offensive weapon.
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Any true NFL FB is a better blocker than Reece. That doesnt mean Tonga should start or even be on the roster when Reece comes back. Reece isnt a bad blocker at all. Tonga looks ok but not great. Dont like Tonga’s receiving skills at all. We couldnt punch in the TD either. Tonga still looks like a bubble player to me.
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First time I’ve ever seen you post and I hope its the last…you are another pea brain
October 25th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Yep, we have T Jones for a reason. Let Jones take DMAC’s carries and mix in Bush just the same way we was doin before.
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 7:53 am
I’ll take Bush and he will start next game and run well on Denver. Sit DMAC and play him the SD game. We will have 2 games in a four day span. Lets not get crazy and rush DMAC back. We need bush
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 am
sign TO or TJ for the minimum and trade Chaz and Murphy for some picks? Lotta teams desperate for Wrs. Bad idea?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 am
What a disappointment Boss has turned into.
Gawd
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
No offence but why would you want to bring in 2 headcases, Inonewordraider?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Who the Fk is going to trade for L Murphy or Chaz? Sign TO to what a psychiatric eval?
Think before you post!
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# inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 am
sign TO or TJ for the minimum and trade Chaz and Murphy for some picks? Lotta teams desperate for Wrs. Bad idea?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:13 am
519.inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:09 am
sign TO or TJ for the minimum and trade Chaz and Murphy for some picks? Lotta teams desperate for Wrs. Bad idea?
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Trade deadline was last Tuesday.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:14 am
joetoronto Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
No offence but why would you want to bring in 2 headcases, Inonewordraider?
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not covinced myself that it’s a good idea just throwing it out there.
Pro’s:
-instant chemistry with Carson
-cheap
-picks us up some draft picks for next year
Con’s:
-the potential for locker room disaster
I’d probably say it’s not worth the risk, but the potential for picks is enticing…
October 25th, 2011 at 9:14 am
520.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 am
What a disappointment Boss has turned into.
Gawd
Would that be because he’s not targeted?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Who the Fk is going to trade for L Murphy or Chaz?
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Teams won’t just look at what Murphy has done this year coming off of injury, they’re smart enough to see his book of work. like I said there are teams desperate for WR’s but my bad forgot trade deadline passed
October 25th, 2011 at 9:18 am
He’s been injured non stop
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# hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:14 am
520.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 am
What a disappointment Boss has turned into.
Gawd
Would that be because he’s not targeted?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Murphys book of work is garbage he has alligator arms and he drops passes…wtf have you been watching dude?
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nonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:17 am
Teams won’t just look at what Murphy has done this year coming off of injury, they’re smart enough to see his book of work. like I said there are teams desperate for WR’s but my bad forgot trade deadline passed
October 25th, 2011 at 9:19 am
Is Boss maybe a little slender for that tall frame?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:20 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:11 am
Who the Fk is going to trade for L Murphy or Chaz? Sign TO to what a psychiatric eval?
Think before you post!
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HAHAHAHA
October 25th, 2011 at 9:20 am
527.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:18 am
He’s been injured non stop
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# hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:14 am
520.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:10 am
What a disappointment Boss has turned into.
Gawd
Would that be because he’s not targeted?
Ahhh, Gotcha! Do you think that we shoul dfire Brad Roll? Since last year, we had players pulling hammies, sprained whatevers, etc….
October 25th, 2011 at 9:20 am
I’ll say it again. THE TRADE DEADLINE WAS LAST TUESDAY 10/18. NO MORE TRADES CAN HAPPEN. We would have to cut one of these young receivers to bring someone else in.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:21 am
Murphys book of work is garbage he has alligator arms and he drops passes…wtf have you been watching dude?
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didn’t he lead our team in receptions the last two years? I know that isn’t saying much but that coupled with his size speed and youth I think he would’ve garnered a mid to late round pick before the deadline
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Fk TO and all 49ers….go join them if you want that phaggot
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 am
I’ll defer to B on B Roll.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:22 am
Inone I have just given up on you.
Carry on…
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am
Brandon Lloyd set the market for WR trades before the deadline. He led the whole NFL in receiving yards and netted a 6th round pick. Murphy would have gotten us a stick of gum and a handshake on the trade block.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am
BRAD ROLL rules!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Bush & Taiwan is more than capable to run up and down on the Broncos all dam day!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:27 am
It’d be nice if we could drop 70 on the Donkeys this time.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Boss’s injuries have nada to do with Brad roll.
He had a big fat guy land on his ankle in preseason (and Boss stayed in for the next play, by the way) and he had another dude launch into his helmet with his own helmet.
The only disappointment regarding Boss is that our QBs haven’t thrown to him enough.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:28 am
539.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Bush & Taiwan is more than capable to run up and down on the Broncos all dam day!
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Obviously
October 25th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Boss isnt being targeted….Hue’s fault
October 25th, 2011 at 9:29 am
538.Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am
BRAD ROLL rules!
Ok, I’ll take your word, but what is the problem? The players not taking care of themselves?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Hue…you better know when to hold em, know when to fold them…..play the game dawg
October 25th, 2011 at 9:30 am
544.hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:29 am
538.Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:23 am
BRAD ROLL rules!
Ok, I’ll take your word, but what is the problem? The players not taking care of themselves?
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goes both ways i say
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Oh I know Boss injury had nothing to do with Roll…just asking about the other players…Ok, I’ll stop!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am
If DMC isn’t 100%, he shouldn’t play the Broncos. I agree that Bush and Taiwan can handle them.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am
B, Agreed!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:31 am
Alot of things are Hue’s fault right about now.
Obviously
October 25th, 2011 at 9:32 am
Hawaiian, preseason hammy issues were big problems last three years or so, but you see rookies get hammy pulls a lot coming into the NFL because of the workload.
But yeah, we’ve had too many here.
The in-season stuff, hard to chalk it up to anything other than just football.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Boller threw a huge monkey wrench in Hue’s plan. Cannon Palmer never should have played but Boller was embarrassing himself, his wife, his parents, his HS coach, his college coach, and the fans were getting antsy.
And then DMAC goes down..
Just a bad day, obviously
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 am
I think we should blame our problems on Ohbhama since he is still blaming Bush.
Sounds good….
OHBAHAM you Fk’n a$$ clown you suck as a GM and a trainer!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:35 am
I’ll say it again and most people won’t agree with me, Hue called a pretty good game (Boller was that bad). At least a good first 35 minutes or so. At one point late in the second half, he said F it, any running will be the rookie and Carson just gonna get his feet wet passing the ball.
Can’t blame him.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Not to say I would encourage it if I were the coach…but next time we play the Queafs, I want a DB or Wr flying helmet fist into Haley’s gay mug, and then I want to see a LB or safety take out Cassel’s knees or ankles for some payback
October 25th, 2011 at 9:36 am
That game in KC is gonna be off the chain. Dogfight.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 am
A blatant late hit on Cassell is in order for payback.
Dont take out his legs or go helmet to helmet, just a good clean hit that he will feel for a couple weeks, LATE!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:42 am
Dogfight.
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Yeah, kinda like that Pit chewing up that Mutt I saw the other day.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:42 am
553.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:34 am
I think we should blame our problems on Ohbhama since he is still blaming Bush.
Sounds good….
OHBAHAM you Fk’n a$$ clown you suck as a GM and a trainer!
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dANCE AND GO PLAY BASKETBALL i SAY
October 25th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Morning peoples!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Its nice in here without MR and his dozens of aliases and KK Munster probably at the Barbershop sweeping up hair and super gluing it to his bald patches.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:44 am
So was there a little beef between Hue and Haley after the game?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:46 am
DMAC in a boot has me a little worried. Hopefully its just precaution.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:47 am
dmac WONT PLAY VS DENVER
October 25th, 2011 at 9:47 am
557.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 am
A blatant late hit on Cassell is in order for payback.
Dont take out his legs or go helmet to helmet, just a good clean hit that he will feel for a couple weeks, LATE!
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I want to see McClain body slam Cassell 5 seconds after the play is over….either that or have Big Rich just b*tch fist Cassell square in the face when he is not looking like he did on Big Ben last year..
October 25th, 2011 at 9:47 am
DMAC! Yeah, there was an exchange after but not as bad as Harbaugh and whatever the Detroit coach is…
October 25th, 2011 at 9:48 am
561.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Its nice in here without MR and his dozens of aliases and KK Munster probably at the Barbershop sweeping up hair and super gluing it to his bald patches.
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LOL….see how MR aka ABP backed out of seeing me one on one after talking all that schit?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:48 am
LOL77…Seymour did that to send a message that we are not to be taunted, but his play has to be effective! Maybe he was tripple team or what not, but the only time I heard his name was on the neutral zone infraction…
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Bush needs to step his game up!
I don’t give a fk if ran for 100 yds.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
I was told R Seymour would bust out against KC, where is the clown that told me that ?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
569.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Bush needs to step his game up!
I don’t give a fk if ran for 100 yds.
I agree…you have to make that 3-1, 4-1, whatever plays! Like I said yesterday, go spend the off week with Zach Crockett!
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
570.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
I was told R Seymour would bust out against KC, where is the clown that told me that ?
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KC 2010 was last game Seymoour played for us….and he aint be around since
October 25th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Berrian released.
Wonder what Al would do if he were still around?
Could this had been his deep threat?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:52 am
B, nobody backs out of sh!t like your good ole pal tj
tj- KK we can handle this anyway you want
KK- Tell me where and when
tj- Hegendberger raider store
KK- see you there
tj- see you there sucka
kk- lets do this
tj- hey im not going im not doing this
*dead*
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
569.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Bush needs to step his game up!
I don’t give a fk if ran for 100 yds.
I agree…you have to make that 3-1, 4-1, whatever plays! Like I said yesterday, go spend the off week with Zach Crockett!
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B,
Honestly, do you think Tonga can give us that much needed 1 or 2 yards for a 1st down or TD?
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Seymour has had 5 sacks since then, B, and numerous pressures.
Seymour’s play doesn’t always show on the stat sheet.
Seymour need to be the least of our worries.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:54 am
The irony of it all was KK never intended to show up but tj is too ignorant to realize that.
lol
October 25th, 2011 at 9:54 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:41 am
A blatant late hit on Cassell is in order for payback.
Dont take out his legs or go helmet to helmet, just a good clean hit that he will feel for a couple weeks, LATE!
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And if we’re up two or more TDs late in the game run a fake punt. Or, go Buddy Ryan style and throw a bomb out of the victory formation.
October 25th, 2011 at 9:55 am
I like ^^^^^^^^^^^
October 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am
You see Haleys lid looked like he took it from a homeless guy and his beard taking us back to the grizzly adams times.
smh
October 25th, 2011 at 9:56 am
574.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:52 am
B, nobody backs out of sh!t like your good ole pal tj
tj- KK we can handle this anyway you want
KK- Tell me where and when
tj- Hegendberger raider store
KK- see you there
tj- see you there sucka
kk- lets do this
tj- hey im not going im not doing this
*dead*
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you forgot that Kell has a broken fibula lol
October 25th, 2011 at 9:58 am
575.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:53 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:50 am
569.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Bush needs to step his game up!
I don’t give a fk if ran for 100 yds.
I agree…you have to make that 3-1, 4-1, whatever plays! Like I said yesterday, go spend the off week with Zach Crockett!
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B,
Honestly, do you think Tonga can give us that much needed 1 or 2 yards for a 1st down or TD?
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of course…..our center and RG not strong enough…wiz gotta be there and heyer and campbell should be our guards
Tonga hits and smashes the LB alot
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I actually think the D is starting to click together.
We’re ranked 16 in rushing D.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Sometimes I do wonder if Bush is going a bit easy in his contract year. He’ll still take people on up high and try to plow them over, but to me, he looks to be very nervous about getting his legs taken out.
Don’t forget, this guy was going to be a first-round pick before breaking his leg in college and dropping all the way to the 4th. That’s a HUGE financial difference. It might have cost him, I don’t know, upwards of $10 million.
It’s only human nature that a guy who is really coming up on his only shot to get a substantial contract is going to want to stay healthy. Don’t know what the Raiders plans are, but I think they’d get a better Bush in 2011 if they were to extend his deal in-season. On the other hand, Bush has to realize that he’s losing money by not going all out on every run. If he doesn’t look like a feature back in 2011, no one is going to pay him like a feature back in 2012.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am
583.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I actually think the D is starting to click together.
We’re ranked 16 in rushing D.
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I like the D the last 3 weeks
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
lol @ broken fibula!
hahahaha
How does a 65 yr old man in real estate break a fibula????
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
B,
Whomever it is. We need that damn 1-2 yds automatic.
That goal line schit w/ Bush still has me pissed off.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Our D only gave up 14 points to KC. Imagine when we get CJ and CC back our secondary is going to be tight. Bres will be dialing up the blitz’s. Seymour will do something I just have no idea what!
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am
583.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I actually think the D is starting to click together.
We’re ranked 16 in rushing D.
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I like the D the last 3 weeks
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
583.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:00 am
I actually think the D is starting to click together.
We’re ranked 16 in rushing D.
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And like 28th 4 weeks ago.
Shows you just how well we’ve done since.
Top 5 type play from the D.
If we could just get O, D, and STU playing well all at the same time.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
586.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
lol @ broken fibula!
hahahaha
How does a 65 yr old man in real estate break a fibula????
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Slips on some shaved off patches at the barbershop
October 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I’d prefer DVD to keep starting over CJ.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
586.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
lol @ broken fibula!
hahahaha
How does a 65 yr old man in real estate break a fibula????
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Slips on some shaved off patches at the barbershop
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That 2 fk’n funny.
Ya need to stop!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
Has not Bush shown he can score TDs? Why so hard on him yall?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
“Let’s see if they can win their (division), let’s see if they can beat the Raiders first,” Cromartie said.
Cromartie is an a hole but I was reading this earlier n thought if y’all hadn’t seen it you should. It def put a smile on my face.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
DVD is becoming a player. Needs to eat a few more cheese burgers and hit the weights a bit and he’ll be alright.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
I figured he was chasing Jacoby Ford @ Safeway with a plastic sack full of prune juice and ensure and tripped on a shopping cart.
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# DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Method To My Madness Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:03 am
586.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
lol @ broken fibula!
hahahaha
How does a 65 yr old man in real estate break a fibula????
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Slips on some shaved off patches at the barbershop
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That 2 fk’n funny.
Ya need to stop!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:07 am
593.Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
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so what? you beat the odds as a man
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
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Your right, but if you give it to DMAC 3-4 times at the goal line. I guarantee a TD! He’s going to run someone over.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
DVD is going to be a good one. Main thing is he needs to improve his ball skills. He’s always with his man but looks green when it comes to locating and going after the ball. If he improves that skill he’s going to be a stud.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
You know what game is?
Going
Above
Man’s
Expectations
October 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
BS!
You blow a hole with Wiz and Veldy and trot off to the sidelines and forget the tricky dick krap.
By the way Veldy had a HORRIBLE game and nobody has mentioned it.
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Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
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Your right, but if you give it to DMAC 3-4 times at the goal line. I guarantee a TD! He’s going to run someone over.
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Or around them. I haven’t seen us try it this year but that fake FB dive, outside pitch to McFadden at the goalline was a play Cable used to call often. I’ve never seen a defense stop that one.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Coach Hue Jackson expects Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring) to return for Week 9, after the Raiders’ Week 8 bye.
Janikowski should only end up missing one game. Kicking in SeaBass’ place against the Chiefs, Dave Rayner did not have a single field goal opportunity. Look for the Raiders to release Rayner this week, clearing a roster spot.
Source: Steve Corkran on Twitter
October 25th, 2011 at 10:11 am
591.LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am
I’d prefer DVD to keep starting over CJ.
Yes, but imagine the great rotation we will have in keeping the D fresh!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
602.MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
BS!
You blow a hole with Wiz and Veldy and trot off to the sidelines and forget the tricky dick krap.
By the way Veldy had a HORRIBLE game and nobody has mentioned it.
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Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:06 am
In Bush’s defense, I have noticed that it has become much, much harder to get that one yard at the goalline these days. Defenses have become very good at stonewalling runs at the goalline.
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If a mthfka is in your way….then there is a mthfka who is not!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:12 am
I would say Veldy had a sub-par game for him, definitely. For examples of HORRIBLE, go look at some of the performances turned in at LT by Kwame Harris and Robert Gallery. Veldheer was not nearly that bad. But it was clearly his worst game this season.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Anyone talking smack about Bush needs to reevaluate and find some other glaring holes on the team to pick on.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Veldheer has a tough game….all good he has played well this year
October 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Veldheer gonna be nice.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
BS!
You blow a hole with Wiz and Veldy and trot off to the sidelines and forget the tricky dick krap.
By the way Veldy had a HORRIBLE game and nobody has mentioned it.
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Yeah, he did stink it up.
2-3 false starts? (at home) WTF?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Had a holding call on Tamba Hali to prevent QB from getting killed inside their own 20.
Illegal block downfield on screen that I didn’t see, but replay didn’t really show play develop, so I can’t really say.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Veldheer-Heyer-Wiz-Campbell-Barnes….Hue fixed the oline now…cant have interior OL be soft
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am
# DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Bush needs to step his game up!
I don’t give a fk if ran for 100 yds.
+++++++++++++++++++++++
If he had 100 yards, he’d have had a Touchedown, and changed the whole complexion of the game…Instead he danced like the Black Swan at the Goaline and got stuffed 42 times…
October 25th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Horrible for V’s standards not Kwame Harris.
pls
October 25th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Horrible game would be if proved he was not capable of handling LT duties. Wasn’t the case. Had some mental errors.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:16 am
HairyBush Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Anyone talking smack about Bush needs to reevaluate and find some other glaring holes on the team to pick on.
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That would be me. I’m just calling it as I see it.
Bush needs to run tougher.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Yep the false starts is what I was talkin about. You can live with the holding call he was protecting our precious Qb
October 25th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Honestly, I think Bush has one play he would want back.
Other than that, Bush looked great.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am
If he had 100 yards, he’d have had a Touchedown, and changed the whole complexion of the game…Instead he danced like the Black Swan at the Goaline and got stuffed 42 times…
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Not throwing 6 INT’s would have changed the complextion of the game.
Hue not calling enough trick plays for 3 games would have changed the complexion of the game.
Not having everyone and there grandmother injured would have changed the complexion of the game
must I go on?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Bush has shown in his career the ability to work on short yardage and goaline….ok one game this year he didnt get it done…lay off of him some guys…has he not got a bunch of TDs since 2008?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Hailey looked like a homeless person – what the heck was up with that old hat and chicken fuzz on his chin? Is he that hated in KC he needs to sleep in the gutter?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Article written by Adam Schien of Fox Sports.
Raiders, Seahawks in bad hands
Bio | Email
Adam Schein hosts the “Sirius Blitz” on Sirius NFL Radio from 11-3 ET. He also co-hosts “Loudmouths” on Sports Net New York every weeknight at 6 ET. He is a weekly columnist, files weekly video reports and makes NFL picks “video style” for FOXSports.com.
Updated Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM ET
1. The monologue
If you watched Cosmic Schein or saw our video rant on FOXSports.com last week, you know that I think it was a horrible, irresponsible mistake for the Raiders to give up potentially two first-round picks for Carson Palmer.
It was easy to predict disaster the first time Palmer put on a Raiders uniform.
Palmer is 32 and hasn’t played at a Pro Bowl level in years. He was sitting on the couch at this time last week. He was terrible and turnover-happy last season. He lost the Tampa game by himself. I’ve always loved Palmer, but his days as the “human jugs machine” are clearly in the rearview mirror.
Or maybe it was clear to everyone but Raiders coach Hue Jackson, who has suddenly obtained a lot of power after the passing of Al Davis.
You cannot treat draft picks like Halloween candy and that’s exactly what the Raiders have done. It’s indefensible. I know Jason Campbell got hurt. This is not how you overreact. This is not about going for the jugular. The deal for a washed-up quarterback doesn’t increase the Raiders’ chances of making the playoffs. And it destroys your draft for the next few years. Jackson is trying to win and become entrenched. He’s acting irresponsibly and eschewing the future. Look at the Packers, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers or Saints. You build a consistent winner through the draft.
Now, I agreed with Jackson’s decision to start Kyle Boller on Sunday against Kansas City. Another reason the Palmer deal made no sense is that you have to respect the quarterback process. You need a rapport with your play caller, receivers and offensive line.
But if Palmer wasn’t ready to start, how the heck was he ready to come in and play at the half down 14-0? It was a total embarrassment. Boller tosses three picks to start, and Palmer comes in and looks just as inept, throwing three picks of his own. Look, it would have been stunning if Palmer came in and looked the part of savior. Either start him or don’t play him at all. Palmer was either ready to play in live game speed or he wasn’t. There was no middle ground.
We had his best friend T.J. Houshmandzadeh on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week. T.J. raved about the zip being back on the fastball, but described a typical Palmer workout in California to include the two friends and a couple of high school kids. Think about that. It’s a little different facing Brandon Flowers and the Chiefs. We interviewed his “retirement quarterback coach,” Ken O’Brien. He also talked about the improved velocity, but wondered about the adjustment to game speed, game planning and rapport with teammates. That’s logical, to everyone but Hue Jackson.
And now the Raiders are without picks throughout the 2013 draft. As one of the top heads of player personnel told me last week, “Why in the world would anyone take the Raiders general manager job? How can you be successful?” The answers are you wouldn’t, and you can’t be.
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And I don’t believe Al Davis would’ve ever made this trade. He loved Jason Campbell. Heck, he liked the upside of Terrelle Pryor. And his former top executive Michael Lombardi said as much to us on the radio.
Are the Raiders better than the Chargers or Chiefs? Absolutely not. Even if they survive the average AFC West and make the playoffs and get bounced, is that a success? Not when you have an aging quarterback and no 2012 top pick. And the beat goes on in Oakland
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Don’t get me wrong. I like Bush, but I just don’t see that will to get that extra yard or truck someone. He’s on his contract year.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
620.HairyBush Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am
If he had 100 yards, he’d have had a Touchedown, and changed the whole complexion of the game…Instead he danced like the Black Swan at the Goaline and got stuffed 42 times…
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Not throwing 6 INT’s would have changed the complextion of the game.
Hue not calling enough trick plays for 3 games would have changed the complexion of the game.
Not having everyone and there grandmother injured would have changed the complexion of the game
must I go on?
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We can win….and we will
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Coach Hue Jackson expects Sebastian Janikowski (hamstring) to return for Week 9, after the Raiders’ Week 8 bye.
Janikowski should only end up missing one game. Kicking in SeaBass’ place against the Chiefs, Dave Rayner did not have a single field goal opportunity. Look for the Raiders to release Rayner this week, clearing a roster spot.
Source: Steve Corkran on Twitter
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Need to get a CB unless Chekwa and CJ37 are ready to go. Only suited up 2 corners last week against the Chiefs!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
LA to the Gay,
Veld would be the first one to tell you he had a horrible game and you are in here having his back like you just got up off your knee’s.
smh
October 25th, 2011 at 10:20 am
623.RaiderReggie Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
Article written by Adam Schien of Fox Sports.
Raiders, Seahawks in bad hands
Bio | Email
Adam Schein hosts the “Sirius Blitz” on Sirius NFL Radio from 11-3 ET. He also co-hosts “Loudmouths” on Sports Net New York every weeknight at 6 ET. He is a weekly columnist, files weekly video reports and makes NFL picks “video style” for FOXSports.com.
Updated Oct 25, 2011 12:53 PM ET
1. The monologue
If you watched Cosmic Schein or saw our video rant on FOXSports.com last week, you know that I think it was a horrible, irresponsible mistake for the Raiders to give up potentially two first-round picks for Carson Palmer.
It was easy to predict disaster the first time Palmer put on a Raiders uniform.
Palmer is 32 and hasn’t played at a Pro Bowl level in years. He was sitting on the couch at this time last week. He was terrible and turnover-happy last season. He lost the Tampa game by himself. I’ve always loved Palmer, but his days as the “human jugs machine” are clearly in the rearview mirror.
Or maybe it was clear to everyone but Raiders coach Hue Jackson, who has suddenly obtained a lot of power after the passing of Al Davis.
You cannot treat draft picks like Halloween candy and that’s exactly what the Raiders have done. It’s indefensible. I know Jason Campbell got hurt. This is not how you overreact. This is not about going for the jugular. The deal for a washed-up quarterback doesn’t increase the Raiders’ chances of making the playoffs. And it destroys your draft for the next few years. Jackson is trying to win and become entrenched. He’s acting irresponsibly and eschewing the future. Look at the Packers, Patriots, Ravens, Steelers or Saints. You build a consistent winner through the draft.
Now, I agreed with Jackson’s decision to start Kyle Boller on Sunday against Kansas City. Another reason the Palmer deal made no sense is that you have to respect the quarterback process. You need a rapport with your play caller, receivers and offensive line.
But if Palmer wasn’t ready to start, how the heck was he ready to come in and play at the half down 14-0? It was a total embarrassment. Boller tosses three picks to start, and Palmer comes in and looks just as inept, throwing three picks of his own. Look, it would have been stunning if Palmer came in and looked the part of savior. Either start him or don’t play him at all. Palmer was either ready to play in live game speed or he wasn’t. There was no middle ground.
We had his best friend T.J. Houshmandzadeh on SiriusXM NFL Radio last week. T.J. raved about the zip being back on the fastball, but described a typical Palmer workout in California to include the two friends and a couple of high school kids. Think about that. It’s a little different facing Brandon Flowers and the Chiefs. We interviewed his “retirement quarterback coach,” Ken O’Brien. He also talked about the improved velocity, but wondered about the adjustment to game speed, game planning and rapport with teammates. That’s logical, to everyone but Hue Jackson.
And now the Raiders are without picks throughout the 2013 draft. As one of the top heads of player personnel told me last week, “Why in the world would anyone take the Raiders general manager job? How can you be successful?” The answers are you wouldn’t, and you can’t be.
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And I don’t believe Al Davis would’ve ever made this trade. He loved Jason Campbell. Heck, he liked the upside of Terrelle Pryor. And his former top executive Michael Lombardi said as much to us on the radio.
Are the Raiders better than the Chargers or Chiefs? Absolutely not. Even if they survive the average AFC West and make the playoffs and get bounced, is that a success? Not when you have an aging quarterback and no 2012 top pick. And the beat goes on in Oakland
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Never liked this little punk….they gonna be kissing our asses in January
October 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
2 much schit 2 read. What it say?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
October 25th, 2011 at 10:23 am
DMAC lol
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Man, coach purple lips sure blew that last game huh mista?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:19 am
LA to the Gay,
Veld would be the first one to tell you he had a horrible game and you are in here having his back like you just got up off your knee’s.
smh
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Oh, you discussed this with your good buddy Veld over coffee?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am
#628 Method, We will win and make it to at least the AFC Championship game.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Before the hyenas attack I have a ???????
T.O? anyone?
Has a little chemistry w/ Palmer.
DHB has been our most consistant WR this season.
Take it easy fellas.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Smh
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
2 much schit 2 read. What it say?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Says that he didn’t watch the game, going off stat sheet and thinks Palmer’s washed up and this was bad trade.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
“Are the Raiders better than the Chargers or Chiefs? Absolutely not.”
Adam Schein = clueless d-bag
October 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Don’t know why a lot of you guys put so much stock in media, particularly national media.
You know the team better than they do.
A lot better, really.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
2 much schit 2 read. What it say?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Says that he didn’t watch the game, going off stat sheet and thinks Palmer’s washed up and this was bad trade.
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Thanx for the summary bro
October 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
DVD is going to be a good one. Main thing is he needs to improve his ball skills. He’s always with his man but looks green when it comes to locating and going after the ball. If he improves that skill he’s going to be a stud.
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Right on, Chris.
His cover skills are off the hook, he’s always right there.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:27 am
We can win….and we will
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The Raiders will look like they did against the Jets after we get some rest during the bye. Glad to hear the wideouts are going to stick around and get some chemistry with Carson.I haven’t lost faith. I knew the K.C. game was going to be a loss, Just not as lopsided in score as it was.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:27 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Don’t know why a lot of you guys put so much stock in media, particularly national media.
You know the team better than they do.
A lot better, really.
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So fk’n true.
I actually like the hate. Should be used as extra motivation for the team.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Man, DVD shoulda housed that INT, or at least had a big return.
That will come in time. Kid is growing up right in front of us.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Some thoughts -
-Not really that upset with Bush. He showed what he is -and what he isn’t.
-I like the flashes from Tawain Jones. Looks like a player to me. Like to see him get a start if Mcfadden can’t go with Bush coming off the bench in his usual role.
A good running game will take the pressure off of Palmer. Reece will also be another nice option for CP.
-I think we may see a change at right guard sooner than later. Barksdale slides in soon. Wish B. campbell would figure it out. For some reason Hue ain’t that high on him.
-Wonder why Chaz was inactive last game. Would much rather see him on the field than Louis Murphy right now. Louis has done nothing since returning to the field. At least Chaz has made some catches. A big posession guy like Chaz could also be of use to palmer.
later dudes. Keep the faith.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:28 am
I actually like the hate. Should be used as extra motivation for the team.
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Agree.
Think Buffalo and KC losses may be a really good thing for us in the long run.
Gets us under the radar again a bit too.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
2 much schit 2 read. What it say?^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
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Says that he didn’t watch the game, going off stat sheet and thinks Palmer’s washed up and this was bad trade.
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And gloating that his take that the Palmer trade was a dumb move has been validated and the case is closed after a game in which Palmer came in down 21-0 mid-way through the 3rd quarter(Schein incorrectly states he came in at 14-0, backing up LA’s take that he didn’t watch the game and is going off the stat sheet).
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 am
F Schien!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:29 am
633.RaiderReggie Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:24 am
#628 Method, We will win and make it to at least the AFC Championship game.
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Home playoff game vs Bills
Division playoff vs Bmore
AFC Title game vs NE
SB vs Green Bay
That’s how I’d want it cuz we clear all revenge and vendettas
But first thing is first….Denver next week
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am
Freakin’ FOX – I just read that article and what a load of poo, guess what? CP wasn’t Christ, he didn’t walk on water, with Soup gone we didn’t have much choice with the freakin’ garge sale QB’s that were cheap. Boller is better than most of them, and he knows the playbook at least. Plus CP is gonna mentor TP in pocket passing and that’s the QB that was worth the 2 first rounds, or as it looks now, first and second round picks that may or may not work out.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am
637.Chris in NY Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
“Are the Raiders better than the Chargers or Chiefs? Absolutely not.”
Adam Schein = clueless d-bag
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We been better than those teams for the last couple of season…Schien is a wimp
October 25th, 2011 at 10:30 am
You know what game is?
Going
Above
Man’s
Expectations
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Good one!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Ok LA to the Gay Veld has a spectacular game those false starts and holding calls were a thing of beauty!
Happy now?
Go wipe your chin
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Palmer trade wasn’t made for one game, one month, or one season.
Guy is here to play.
“Washed up 32 year old.”
Isn’t he still 31 for a few months, anyway?
Schein rushed that article.
How old is Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, etc.?
Sometimes you just need a fresh start and a team could be a better fit.
Look at Aaron Curry. He looks like an absolute natural on this D.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Don’t know why a lot of you guys put so much stock in media, particularly national media.
You know the team better than they do.
A lot better, really.
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Very, very true. Game announcers, too, often came out with things that just make you feel embarrassed for them for being so off sometimes.
Still, hate to see the Raiders get disrespected like that by someone who doesn’t know what they’re talking about but has a platform from which to spread this garbage.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I know Stan Routt has had a pretty good season so far.
But is it just me or does he struggle when covering the quick slants?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am
MistaBrown Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Ok LA to the Gay Veld has a spectacular game those false starts and holding calls were a thing of beauty!
Happy now?
Go wipe your chin
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Never said he had a spectacluar game. Said he had a few mental errors.
You have this weird tendancy to become very defensive in the face of logic and make personal attacks on people you don’t know.
Stick to the trailer park and voting against your own social and economic interests.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
DMAC, it’s not you.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Yeah, Curry has been solid for us. Love his relentless pursuit to stop the run.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:35 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:34 am
DMAC, it’s not you.
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????? (You got me on that one)
October 25th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Lol LA…
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am
DMAC, in response to…
“But is it just me or does he struggle when covering the quick slants?”
It’s not you, he’s given up a bunch of these this year.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am
After reading the article below by Vittorio, we’re lucky Palmer didnt injure himself out there. Hue, pls dont ever this again in your coaching career. Stuff like this could easily make the coach lose his team’s support.
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Didn’t matter who starting quarterback was
People are still talking about the 28-0 loss to the Chiefs and the Kyle Boller/Carson Palmer fiasco — it’s amazing how fast the radio jockeys and columnists who were crowning coach Hue Jackson last week are calling him “too cute” and a bad play-caller this week — but really the QB issue didn’t matter.
Sure, Jackson could have handled it better, and I still not sure what his plan was, but the Raiders would have lost that game no matter who was quarterbacking at the start. The Chiefs came in angry after losing to the Raiders twice last season and Oakland mailed it in like it does a couple times every season.
To those who say the defense only gave up 14 points, I say Matt Cassel had a terrible day, missing on a lot of throws, the Chiefs were comfortably ahead the whole game and they could have scored again at the end but took a knee.
As for the quarterbacks, Kyle Boller throws that first interception across the field no matter how many reps he gets in practice (it’s like the signature throw of his nine-year career). And it snowballed from there, Oakland’s one chance to get back in the game extinguished when Michael Bush tip-toed and couldn’t score on four straight carries from the 5-yard line in.
Jackson said his team didn’t have its usual intensity, but said that the Raiders had a good week of practice. He was asked if last week became too much about Palmer, whether he was going to play or not, and maybe the coach set that tone . . .
“I didn’t feel that way,” Jackson said. “I didn’t think it was all about Carson and not getting ready for a football game. I think our team practiced as well as we’ve practiced all year this past week, and we went into the game and didn’t play that way. … I don’t sense or feel that last week was so much about Carson. If it was, it wasn’t about me making it about Carson. I think a lot of things was written about Carson Palmer. My deal was all about making sure we were getting ready to play the Kansas City Chiefs, another division football team. Obviously it didn’t come out that way, but I know exactly what the focus was.”
Jackson is in his first year as a head coach on any level, and while he has done a tremendous job this season, he wasn’t ready for last week’s unique situation. And whatever his plan was, it got muddled. He thought Boller knew he was starting, but didn’t officially tell him until Saturday. Hue said he was practicing “gamesmanship” by not announcing his starter, but then why did he chew out an ESPN reporter Sunday morning for the station reporting that Palmer was starting on Wednesday.
And finally, he put his chosen “franchise quarterback” in a bad spot. While Palmer said the plan was that he was never supposed to play Sunday, Jackson said he wanted all along to at least get Palmer in the game in the fourth quarter. While Palmer is not going to rock the boat his first week here, we heard that his wife was visibly upset and shocked in the stands when he went in the game in the third quarter.
Why? Because he had only taken 20 percent of the snaps in practice, and by his own count, only knew four of the protection packages. The three interceptions Palmer threw were a much better outcome than him getting hurt, so Jackson should be thankful. (The coach admitted he “took a sigh” on Palmer’s first play when he took a shot in the knee from Tamba Hali.) The 28-0 loss could have been a lot worse.
The Raiders now have 2 weeks to get their offense in sync (today’s story in the Chron) and put this ugly, confusing loss behind them. They have a layup in facing the Broncos on Nov. 6 (especially after an angry Lions front line gets done with Tim Tebow Sunday) and I fully expect Jackson to have the Raiders ready to get firmly back in the playoff race with a win.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Curry was a great trade. I also think blackstock showed some potential.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:37 am
DMAC, in response to…
“But is it just me or does he struggle when covering the quick slants?”
It’s not you, he’s given up a bunch of these this year.
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Sorry bro.
Its a little early still.
I’ll wake up soon.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:39 am
DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I know Stan Routt has had a pretty good season so far.
But is it just me or does he struggle when covering the quick slants?
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Routt has always been stiff, that’s why he looks much better on the outside.
When he played Nickel, he’d get lost in space all the time, not very fluid in the hips.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Sure, Jackson could have handled it better, and I still not sure what his plan was, but the Raiders would have lost that game no matter who was quarterbacking at the start.
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I think the idea was to keep KC guessing, then have Kyle play more aggressive than would be expected of him, catch them off guard.
Needless to say, didn’t work.
Kyle sucks.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:40 am
ut is it just me or does he struggle when covering the quick slants?
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Struggle???
Belecheat mentioned how our corners have tight hips and don’t open up well. I think that applies to Routt.
It’s kinda hard to stop a quick slant though. Especially when the other WRs are running interference. The TDs he so called gave up in the red zone were just good plays by the offense.
Walter slant against Houston, just a good quick route.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 am
The TDs he so called gave up in the red zone were just good plays by the offense.
Walter slant against Houston, just a good quick route.
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Agreed. he could have used some help in the middle. Left on an island.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 am
this is NOT a “layup” against the DOncos!!! They will beat us bloody if you give them the chance!! No “layups” in the NFL!!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:42 am
We need a solid nickle corner to help with those slants. We are paper thin at cb.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:43 am
They have Huff playing a lot of nickel.
A few times, KC put Bowe in the slot against Huff.
If it didn’t go to Bowe, it went to Breaston one on one with the rook.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I like our starter now.
When CJ and Check come back, who do you guys prefer at the nickel?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Chimdi.
CJ was really good for 8 games in 2008. Kind of up and down since.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:46 am
I know CJ had a horrible game at Buffalo, but I still think he has little left in the tank. Those hammy’s do worry me though.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:46 am
CJ needs to find his groove again…better go find Stella!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:48 am
hwnrdr Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:46 am
CJ needs to find his groove again…better go find Stella!
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LOL, where’s 4eva?
STELLLLLLLLLAAAAA!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Chekwas is “stiff” like Routt.
I think he belongs on the outside.
CJ37 should go against the slot.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Huff has done a hell of a job at Nickel, he’s a natural CB, IMO.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Our secondary needs to learn to hit. MM can bring it but there have been too many whiffs back there.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:49 am
I think the secondary is not bad in coverage but I think as far as tackling, that is still an eye opening issues with angles and success. Bottom line our defense gave up only 14 points when the offense gave the ball away 6 times and short drives. The defense has been playing well enough the last 3. The offense dropped off big time. Palmer better get into the groove and McFadden needs to be healthy.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:50 am
They gotta settle Mike down. He could be awesome.
Him and Houston are some mean MFs. MM’s a headhunter and Houston’s a bully, or trying to be.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I still can’t get that wiff from Giordano out of my head, from a couple of weeks ago.
That was fugly.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Like I said DVD needs to eat a few cheese burgers and hit the weights a bit. He’ll be alright though.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Giordano does a few things well but he is a whiffer for sure.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Giordano = Cover skills aren’t 2 bad/ horrible tackler
October 25th, 2011 at 10:53 am
DVD is getting some good experiance. I would like to see him turn and look at the qb more though. He is my mup
October 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Giordano won the Denver game. He is a vet. Simply a guy that can cover the field with his understanding of the game and instincts. But he has whiffed, heck everyone has and will, the D needs to rally the ball a bit more, thats the whole point of all these blazers right?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:54 am
I like giordano on the blitz.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Thought I would never say this but………
DHB has been our most consistent WR this season.
Keep it up DHB!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I thought we resigned Lito?
October 25th, 2011 at 10:57 am
I thought I saw that too…I think someone was messing around with that one…it said JC IRd and resigned Lito!
October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Yeah DVD surely looks like a great 3rd round value pick. He has become a starter and a competitive defender. He does need to bulk up a bit, he is Phillip Buchannon lol maybe he can return punts.
October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Probably just BS
October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am
They gotta settle Mike down
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he was free/unblocked to stop the rb on 3rd and goal from the 1 and didn’t make the play and had the opportunity to crack guys after catching the pass but slowed up. I know the rules are puzzy schit but you gotta figure out a way to make your presence felt
October 25th, 2011 at 11:03 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 10:58 am
They gotta settle Mike down
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he was free/unblocked to stop the rb on 3rd and goal from the 1 and didn’t make the play and had the opportunity to crack guys after catching the pass but slowed up. I know the rules are puzzy schit but you gotta figure out a way to make your presence felt
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Didn’t he give a good lick to Bowe?
October 25th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Good Article….
Mark Purdy: Reasons to believe Oakland Raiders will bounce back after loss to Kansas City Chiefs
The worst thing the Raiders could do is overreact to Sunday’s miserable 28-0 loss.
The second-worst thing the Raiders could do is underreact to the embarrassment against Kansas City.
The third-worst thing the Raiders could do is fail to be totally ashamed if they still don’t win the AFC West. Because there’s no doubt they should. If they don’t, helmets should roll. (As long as it is permissible under the new concussion-prevention rules.)
The fourth-worst thing the Raiders could do is … well, give me a few more paragraphs. I promise to come up with something.
It is a stirring NFL tradition for fans to go way overboard about a single victory or defeat in October. The Raiders stunk Sunday. But they now have a bye week to hang air fresheners in the locker room, allow new quarterback Carson Palmer to learn how the playbook furniture is arranged, and mentally regroup.
Monday, of course, was time for spin for all of that. Hue Jackson, the head coach, wisely turned down the dial on his perpetual swagger machine. He did not exactly turn up the humility dial, however — especially when someone asked if he was concerned about his team’s offense.
“A couple of weeks ago,” Jackson said, “we had one of the best offenses in the league — we were ranked in the top 10 in almost every category. Now, everybody’s acting as if the wheels fell off. The wheels didn’t fall off. … We’re going through a transition period. That’s what we’re doing. And we’ll go through it quickly.” Know what? I agree with the man.
Go back and check Sunday’s box score against Kansas City. On offense, the Raiders finished with more total yards and rushing yards than the Chiefs — even with the quarterback misadventures of starter Kyle Boller and reliever Palmer, plus the loss of running back Darren McFadden to a foot injury early in the game. Meanwhile, on defense, the Raiders allowed just two touchdowns. The loss was purely the product of the six interceptions thrown by Boller and Palmer.
Sunday’s loss was very bad. It was hardly disastrous. The Raiders (4-3) remain only a half-game behind first-place San Diego (4-2). They play each other Nov. 10 in Southern California. Between now and then, the Chargers play Kansas City and Green Bay. The Raiders have the bye week before playing host to last-place Denver.
Do the math. If form follows, the Chargers and Raiders will have identical 5-3 records when they meet. The mission for Jackson is to ramp up the Raiders with a new quarterback and gain momentum for that San Diego game.
Here is why I believe Jackson can do it: He already has shown he can pull the Raiders locker room out of one potential spiral. And he probably didn’t get enough credit for it at the time.
The critical moment happened after the Raiders’ soul-crushing loss at Buffalo in Week 2. In the locker room after the last-minute 38-35 defeat, some Raiders players began pointing fingers at teammates or blaming the officials for what happened.
Such an attitude has poisoned many Raiders teams in the not-so-distant past. Jackson nipped that attitude in the bud with some forceful vocal intervention. The Raiders went on to win three of their next four. There is no reason to think Jackson can’t again reorient and recalibrate the Raiders and — with the time Carson Palmer now will have to actually learn the offense — beat Denver a week from Sunday. Then be ready for San Diego.
That said, Jackson is definitely showing that he is in his first season as a head coach at any level. He clearly mishandled the quarterback situation against Kansas City. Palmer, with just three days of practice after his trade to the Raiders, clearly was not ready to play at a high level when he replaced Boller in the third quarter. The game was Boller’s to win or lose. He almost surely would have lost. But so what? As noted, it didn’t hurt the Raiders much.
Fortunately, Palmer sustained no injury during his time on the field. Even more fortunately, a number of Raiders receivers say they are sticking around to work with Palmer at the practice facility this week, even during the mandated four-day “vacation” required by the collective bargaining agreement. You can probably credit the coach for that, as well.
Jackson is holding two days of practice before dismissing the team. After that, there can be no supervision from the coaches, even by sign language.
“We can’t text them,” Jackson said. “We can’t Skype them or anything.”
No, but what the coaches can do over the next two days is explain to Palmer what it would be really, really good for him to work on over the following four days.
Understand, this not about me drinking all of Jackson’s Kool-Aid. It is mainly about me looking at every other team in the division and seeing weaker, watered-down Kool-Aid — or in some cases, watered-down water. San Diego owns no victories over teams with winning records. Denver will not be saved every week by Tim Tebow. Kansas City is no juggernaut.
So here’s what I am saying: If Palmer picks up Jackson’s offense as quickly as I expect over the next 12 days, and if McFadden recovers from his injury over the next two or three weeks, the Raiders should be in as good a position as any NFL team to win a division title.
By the way, I finally figured out the fourth-worst thing the Raiders could do. They could repeat that stupid trick play with third-string quarterback Terrelle Pryor, the one that resulted in a penalty flag in Sunday’s first quarter and started the downward slide.
Trick plays won’t win the AFC West for the Raiders. Palmer and McFadden will. If Jackson sticks to business and subdues his vaudeville tendencies, that’s what will happen.
Contact Mark Purdy at mpurdy@mercurynews.com or 408-920-5092
October 25th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Does anybody have a more horribly all encompassing Annoying ucfking voice than Adam Shine? It sucks that he is paired up with Gannon, cause I like Rich, but dude needs to learn how to speak the english..
He pronounces every “T” like its a “D” ‘quit’ sounds like ‘quid’ ’set’ sounds like ’sed’ etc. etc..and as we know there are LOTS of ‘T’s in the English Language…drives me nuts..throw in his crappy Dialect and voice inflection and you have someone who I would love to Seymour in the grill…
Hate that ucfking guy to death.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:07 am
I know first things first. A W against the Donks.
We’ll smash the Queefs in KC!
Print that!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Marcel Reece on the field for first time since he hurt an ankle against the Jets on Sept. 25.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
If #Raiders would look at Chad Johnson and Terrell Owens, it’s safe to assume that they will check into just released WR Bernard Berrian.
35 minutes ago »
lindsaysoto Lindsay Soto
Still no teams here (that we know of.) Still no TO…yet. Jerry Rice is here though. (His longtime trainer Raymond Farris’s running wkout)
42 minutes ago Retweeted by @CorkOnTheNFL
October 25th, 2011 at 11:09 am
Reece practicing?
Great news.
Let me stir it up in here some!
Reece>Tonga
lol
October 25th, 2011 at 11:11 am
We are fine with the receivers we got. This team stacked at the WR position. Bring in all the O-linemen and DB’s you want…but WR is the last thing we need to f’ with…lets just get back on the same page with our QB and we will be fine..
PS. UFCK Adam Shine!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:11 am
JLofty!! Looked for you man!! Didnt see you bro. Just got back and boy…disney is taking everybodys money. The ESPNZone was packed homie!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Impressed that the Raiders practicing today (Tues usually day off), unless this is normal schedule considering the CBA-mandated 4 day leve.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Raiders are fine. Calm the masses. Get the QB up to speed and hopefully heal up DMAC and Rolando and we are good. Had a bad feeling about that one. Who wouldnt with Boller startin??
October 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am
leave*
October 25th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Didn’t he give a good lick to Bowe?
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don’t recall. Like Mike alot hope he doesn’t lose reps to Ndukwe
October 25th, 2011 at 11:15 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Cornerback Chimdi Chekwa returns to practice for first time in a couple of weeks. Same can’t be said for cornerback Chris Johnson.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Rolando McClain not at practice. Neither is running back Darren McFadden.
2 minutes ago
October 25th, 2011 at 11:16 am
. “If Jackson sticks to business and subdues his vaudeville tendencies, that’s what will happen.” – mark purdy
WHAT THE FUGG?!?!?!? WHAT ARE YOU TRYING TO SAY HERE PURDY???
THIS IS TRASH!!!!!!!!!!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Rolando McClain not at practice. Neither is running back Darren McFadden.
2 minutes ago
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They got 11 days. Should be fine.
If not, we have (surprisingly) good depth with Blackstock and Taiwan (not recognized by the People’s Republic of China) Jones.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:16 am
We need to go in another direction on Punts. Moore is not cutting it. Can we get Ford back there.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:17 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
#Raiders waived kicker Dave Rayner. That portends Sebastian Janikowski being healthy enough to play against the Broncos on Nov. 6.
1 minute ago
October 25th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Thanx Inone
Keep it coming
October 25th, 2011 at 11:18 am
In one word,
keep the tweets comin’, brother, I appreciate it.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Why would anyone think we need stinking t.o?
He was already with crayon and it was a titanic failure. The two of them flopped miserably and it ended with finger pointing, back biting, trade demands, and the qb mailing it in the following season.
No thanks
October 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am
When Moore got his hands on a punt, didn’t look so bad.
But he needs to know when to fair catch em and when to let em go.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Would love to see the Raiders and SD go at it on National TV both at 5-3. That would be an epic battle.
We have to do our part and beat the Donkeys. They should keep MM34 spied on Tebow all game. Tebow is too fast for most LBs and too strong for most DBs. MM34 would be a perfect matchup.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Up until watching Murphy, I agreed with you 100%, Mistic.
Now not so sure.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Running back Rock Cartwright at practice.
2 minutes ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour not practicing. Not sure what is up with him now.
3 minutes ago
October 25th, 2011 at 11:22 am
raidertay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Would love to see the Raiders and SD go at it on National TV both at 5-3. That would be an epic battle.
We have to do our part and beat the Donkeys. They should keep MM34 spied on Tebow all game. Tebow is too fast for most LBs and too strong for most DBs. MM34 would be a perfect matchup.
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Yeah, I like that idea.
Would hate to see DVD try to tackle Tebow.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:22 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
No new players at practice. Wouldn’t be surprised to see #Raiders make a roster move or two before their next game.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Murph should not be seeing the field more than Hagan!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am
why would steve think that?
October 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am
After watching Moore on Punts I started thinking that maybe it wasnt all Nick Miller’s fault. The blocking on punt returns dont seem to be up to par.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:24 am
TO could provide some vetern leadership, but I don’t know if he would be a help or a hinderence.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour not practicing. Not sure what is up with him now.
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Givin’ the old man a breather.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Up until watching Murphy, I agreed with you 100%, Mistic.
Now not so sure.
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Murph has no business on the field at best he is the 5th best wr on this team. DHB, MOOre, Ford, Chaz Hagan, Murph
October 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
So Rayner gets $50,000 or so for opening kickoff Sunday …
October 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
D-Mo will be fine returning punts.
He just needs to learn, to fair catch balls and when to let them bounce.
Judgement.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
I want that job
October 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
So Rayner gets $50,000 or so for opening kickoff Sunday …
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DAYUM! They coulda had me for half that.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
721.DMAC Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Murph should not be seeing the field more than Hagan!
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EXACTLY!! I dont know why they love Murphy so much. Hagan will produce results. No question. With Murphy you have no clue what kind of routes you are gonna get. He looks slow. This should be addressed at practice. Murphy should be producing more at practice over the other guys to be in the game…
October 25th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Lunch time!
“Put some hot sauce on my burrito baby!”
October 25th, 2011 at 11:27 am
LA to TheBay Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
So Rayner gets $50,000 or so for opening kickoff Sunday …
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DAYUM! They coulda had me for half that.
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Water boy works for me.
Just pay me roughly $20 a hour.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:28 am
# Raiderbuck Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:24 am
TO could provide some vetern leadership, but I don’t know if he would be a help or a hinderence.
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Palmer and T.o watched helplessly as cincy fell apart. Palmer was aloof, and disinterested, T.o was filming reality tv. The result was utter chaos in the locker room, and flat out futility on the field.
These two together would be a disaster waiting to happen….again
October 25th, 2011 at 11:30 am
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/JaMarcus-Russell-speaks—-Is-he-misunde?blockID=582620&feedID=2539
October 25th, 2011 at 11:32 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Carson Palmer working on timing with his receivers. Ball on target more times than not, with entry of zip.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
CP3 to DHB.
Get used to it.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:36 am
My guess is ford murphy dhb and hagan stick around w/ carson. Do Moore and Schilens?
October 25th, 2011 at 11:37 am
inonewordraider Says:
October 25th, 2011 at 11:36 am
My guess is ford murphy dhb and hagan stick around w/ carson. Do Moore and Schilens?
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I think it depends on who has kids.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:39 am
NFL.com Power Rankings
#11: 4-3 Raiders (-2 spots)
“Going against the ol’ gut feeling, we’re sticking with Oakland, and there’s little wiggle room: 11 through 18 in the rankings are as close as they’ve ever been. Oakland handled the Jets and beat the Texans in Houston. Thus, they’re 11th almost by default. In other news, my prediction of the Raiders going on a roll got Boller’d on Sunday. At one point, the backup was 5 of 10, with three picks. That’s OK, Carson Palmer made up for it by also throwing three balls to the other guys. Right now, Darren McFadden’s foot sprain is of primary concern with Hue Jackson’s offense getting little production from its quarterback. The bye week is perfect to get No. 20 healthy and Palmer reacquainted with football.”
October 25th, 2011 at 11:40 am
OMG I am sick and tired of talking heads saying Palmer isn’t worth two first round picks.
Brighten up, dimwits. He hasn’t cost two first round picks because the 2013 pick is only a first if the Raiders make the AFC championship game in 2011 or 2012. Let’s ask ourselves what it would take for him to cost two first rounders.
To get a first round bye, the Raiders would have to have a better regular season record than the Steelers, Ravens, Jets, Chargers, Bengals, Bills and Texans (assuming Pats win homefield throughout). And they’d still have to beat one of those teams in a Divisional playoff game, albeit with home field advantage.
Without a first round bye, they’d have to win a Wildcard game at home (assuming Raiders win the West as the path to playoffs), then go on the road in cold weather and beat either the Patriots or a team like the Steelers or Ravens.
Any QB that can thread either of those needles with a team that otherise looks like the Raiders did against KC is worth four first round draft picks and a Nobel Prize.
October 25th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Leave T.O right at home. He will come in and totally destroy these young receivers confidence. He would want CP to throw him the ball even in triple coverage. Don’t do it!
October 25th, 2011 at 11:42 am
New post
October 25th, 2011 at 11:43 am
CHAZ DONT HAVE KIDS LOL
October 25th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Man…Russell sounds like a true loser in life with that interview. How many excuses do you need? There is a reason no other of the 31 teams in the NFL have given you a shot…
October 25th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
Been rethinking the Palmer trade over and over again.
I understand why the trade was made, but I can’t convince myself it was a good one.
The only thing that can change my mind is if CP plays lights out for about 4 years and we win a SB, or if his play takes us to the playoffs for several years.
That’s really the only way the trade can be validated.
I just can’t come to terms with giving up a one and a two (possibly two number one’s) for Palmer.
Of course, it’s easy to second guess Hue. The Raids were in a bad situation. My personal opinion is that JC wasn’t going to be the answer going forward anyway, but the question remains – What were the Raids going to do for the remainder of this season ?
The options were few. Try to pick up a vet off the scrap heap ? Slim pickings, and who’s really out there ? Probably not a good avenue. Hard to envision this option salvaging the season.
The other option was to go with Boller as long as possible, hope for the best, and if he flamed out as anticipated move on to Pryor. Also a scenario not likely to salvage the season, but at least by the end of the year we’d have a better idea of what TP was capable of down the line and some more draft picks to use accordingly.
Obviously(Hue!), the Raids were between a rock and a hard place. You want to salvage the season, win now if possible – but you also have to be cognizant of the danger of making a bad decision that could hurt the franchise for years to come.
If Palmer saves the season and solidifies the QB position for several years then this will go down as a decent trade. If not, we’re going to be second guessing it for a long time.
I’m hoping Palmer is able to deliver, but I’m skeptical he will.
Either way, I don’t feel comfortable about the deal. Think we paid too much out of desperation. Try as I might, I can’t convince myself this was the right long term move.
But, what’s done is done.
Going to have to live with the consequences.
SMASH THE MULES !
October 30th, 2011 at 10:33 am
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I really hope the niners lose today…I will laugh my a$$ off.
Gooo Raiders!!!!
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