Odds and ends during bye week
By Steve Corkran
Friday, October 28th, 2011 at 1:27 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Wide receiver Jacoby Ford just Tweeted that the workouts are over and now it’s time for some “down time” this weekend.
Ford presumably was referring to the off-days workouts with new quarterback Carson Palmer that were scheduled during the Raiders bye week.
The Raiders practiced Tuesday and Wednesday and are off until Monday. It sounds as if Palmer, Ford and other wide receivers and running backs worked on their own the past two days.
The fact they aren’t going to work out Saturday and Sunday means they are satisfied with what they got accomplished the past two days.
The Detroit Lions claimed veteran safety Chris Harris off waivers. That means the Raiders passed on claiming Harris, based on the fact they have a worse record than the Lions and had a shot at Harris before he reached the Lions.
TMZ.com has released what it says is the official death certificate of Raiders managing general partner Al Davis. Neither the Raiders nor Davis’ son Mark have confirmed the authenticiy of the document.
On the death certificate, it says Davis died from “ventricular fibrillation, congestive heart failure and cardiomyopathy.” It also said that Davis suffered from “atrial fibrillation, dysphagia and merkel cell carcinoma” and that he passed away at the Oakland Airport Hilton at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 8.
Two Raiders officials said they cannot comment on the matter at this time. Still checking to see if the report is accurate.
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October 28th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
First Pitos
October 28th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Going to be fantastic watching Raiders playoff games this season.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
Ad for gun training:
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And then: “If you are a non-Christian Arab or Muslim, I will not teach you the class with no shame; I am Crockett Keller, thank you, and God bless America.”
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Those guys in Texas do get it!
mope & change
October 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
The fact they aren’t going to work out Saturday and Sunday means they are satisfied with what they got accomplished the past two days.
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Ready to kick some tail!
October 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Mistic:
If suitable replacement = upgrade, then sure. TO, Chad and TJ, huh? I guess, Cooley, Moss, and Davis are chopped liver. Carson’s better in literally every category but one, where they are almost at a dead heat. And of course, that’s proportionate. In reality, Carson wins more and throws more TDs.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
The fact they aren’t going to work out Saturday and Sunday means they are satisfied with what they got accomplished the past two days.
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Keep working.
While Jacoby and DHB are out pickin up Bz’s, Carson gonna have his head in the playbook.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
If Carson takes as long as JC did to learn the playbook, we are in trouble. Just sayin’
October 28th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
“The fact they aren’t going to work out Saturday and Sunday means they are satisfied with what they got accomplished the past two days.”
No it means their wives or girlfriends wanted them home for the weekend.
How in the hell do you get a half season worth of catching up done in 2 days COME ON MAN!!
October 28th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
R8eray Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 11:01 am
COLT 45= real malt liqour
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4 Lokos = Don’t remember what I did last night!
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R8dercain Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Mickey’s Big mouth!
Miller high Life 32’s
maaaan Old E go back to my high school
then it was St. Ides.
Now I drink heiniken or Red Stripe
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It’s all about the 211 for me. If I can’t get it the Cobra will do.
$$$$$$$$$$
My kind of party.
211 = robs you of your soberness.
Cobra is only $1 per tall can at most liquor stores.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Mistic:
If suitable replacement = upgrade, then sure. TO, Chad and TJ, huh? I guess, Cooley, Moss, and Davis are chopped liver.
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moss and cooley vs tj and ochco in their prime & t.o
there is no comparison here.
based on the numbers you posted and the case histories i dont see it as a major upgrade, just a decent replacement.
Thats is a problem for you?
October 28th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
The veterans that have been playing well this year should take the days off. Rookies and veterans who know they’re having a bad year need to work. McFadden should be getting smashed somewhere in the caribbean right now. He’s earned it.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
based on the numbers you posted and the case histories i dont see it as a major upgrade, just a decent replacement.
Thats is a problem for you?
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Not at all. I would say ‘long term solution/upgrade’ but I don’t see it as a MAJOR upgrade based on the success JC was having here.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
McFadden should be getting smashed somewhere in the caribbean right now. He’s earned it.
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LOL!
October 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Man, Al Davis was pretty damned sick.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
CB Leigh Bodden released by Patriots.
Raiders already had a CB come in and workout for them, so this is someone they might be interested in.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
Man, Al Davis was pretty damned sick.
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Al Davis was pretty damned 82 but I get your point.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
alex7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
CB Leigh Bodden released by Patriots.
Raiders already had a CB come in and workout for them, so this is someone they might be interested in.
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He’s gotta pass through waivers first.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
He wasn’t killed by age, merkel cell carcinoma is a death sentence.
So, I believe he must have been happy with HueJax.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
KK
you were right, I cant believe TMZ would post his address.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
MR and KK show up same time, no surprise!
The same schmuck…
October 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
666/BrownStains show up at the same time, conicidence?
October 28th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
sully what about the cover two? is carson a bad qb for misdiagnosing it?
October 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
KK
I used to be mad at you for posting Mr Davis’s address the day he passed in here but now I am pissed off at TMZ for doing it.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
They did black out his social security number however such a respectful group of reporters those TMZ folks are.
NOT!!
October 28th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
KK
I used to be mad at you for posting Mr Davis’s address
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My grandmother used to tell me, when I said I was mad, “scratch your assz and get glad” .. Lol
I suggest the same for you.
Man, as soon as I come in here the Trolls descend.
October 28th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Can someone please explain to me how you can get a 1/2 seasons worth of work done in 2 days.
There are 6 months of off season for vacationing and rest.
What has become of the modern day athlete with no pads in practice and 4 days off in a row in the middle of the season.
Its almost like a government job!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Silverandblack666
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The corporate dream of sissifying the game is being realized.
More points = more dollars.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
So, basically, they got an extra 2 days of practice.
Not exactly the intense workout/study session we had hoped for, but these guys do work hard and deserve some time off.
It will come down to Carson studying the playbook and the timing will come with — um, time, lol.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
666SeymourGlen, who is a bigger schmuck KK or TMZ for posting AL’s addy?
Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
I get it the less you practice in pads the more sloppy your team will tackle, thus making the game a higher scoring game than it already is.
I am going to start taking the over in some of these games instead of the point spread.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
LOL! Yeah, totally. They put in a “whole week” in the offseason together during the lock out LOL
October 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
666SeymourGlen, who is a bigger schmuck KK or TMZ for posting AL’s addy?
Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…
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TMZ is not limited to just Al Davis, so they get the crown.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
2 days are not enough for them to gel. Unless alll the receivers run perfect routes He needs to get to know each receivers tendencies and i doubt he accomplished this in two days.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
LA To The Gay, who asked you?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
“Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…”
Yes good point I would go with KK because of his Eddie Munster hair style.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Well, at least they put in time. I mean the WRs didn’t have to stay behind. They’re actually a hard working group.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Thanks for the new report Steve. Continue to Rest In Peace Mr. Allen Davis and you are greatly missed! Ok, really great our WRs are on the same page with Carson Palmer…I’ll take that as a positive. However, I am hoping Mcfadden can play against the Donkeys. Coach H. looks lost without DMAC in the game plan. No doubt about it.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
32.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
666SeymourGlen, who is a bigger schmuck KK or TMZ for posting AL’s addy?
Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…
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TMZ is not limited to just Al Davis, so they get the crown.
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Kelly easily wins
October 28th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
People it should be legal to kick in the face:
http://ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Introducing-Tebowing-It-8217-s-like-planking-?urn=nfl-wp10549
October 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Settled.
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# Silverandblack666 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
“Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…”
Yes good point I would go with KK because of his Eddie Munster hair style.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
LA To The Gay, who asked you?
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George Bush asked me once how to run a country. Didn’t think he would take me literally when I said ’shove it up your a$$.’
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
B did you see #21 in Philly dressed up as Harry Potter sporting his homo fade ?
Classic
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/10/26/2515994/the-linc-nnamdi-asomugha-as-harry-potter
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Ok, here they are, The Hate Group.
666, anybody who put’s 666 in their handle, is obviously connected to hate.
BrownStains, Festers in his trailer, and hates.
Aryan Brien, calls MLKjr a “Commie”, who does that but the KKK,?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
On an unrelated note, are you guys prepared for the impending Commie takeover??
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Still lmfao @ #21
hahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha
omfg
hahahahahahaha
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
35.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
“Both are royal scumbags but there has to be a winner…”
Yes good point I would go with KK because of his Eddie Munster hair style.
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And his box cut with the gonzo nose
October 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Kk Munster you have the hate market cornered, obviously!
See I said “obviously” so even Hue knows your a hate monger.
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KoolKell Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Ok, here they are, The Hate Group.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Still lmao…..pure comedy!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
nah Silver,
you could argue that practicing less in pads also makes your run-blocking and pass-blocking sloppier.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
44.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
On an unrelated note, are you guys prepared for the impending Commie takeover??
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RsWpvkLCvu4
October 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Alex7 how many football teams have you coached?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Even though Tim Tebow is QB for the Donkeys, I think he is a very honorable young Man and his parents did a superb job rearing him. I also wish people would stop speaking negatively and making childish jokes against him. Seriously.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHabSqxjsEQ
She is for sure ready
October 28th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
47.MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Kk Munster you have the hate market cornered, obviously!
See I said “obviously” so even Hue knows your a hate monger.
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KoolKell Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Ok, here they are, The Hate Group.
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You dont have a job,woman or house like Kelly
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ohbama is rallying the troops getting ready for a second term of his dictatorship.
Bad news, America has awaken! The mask is off this marxist/socialist a$$ clown!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LHabSqxjsEQ
“Teach me how to commie…teach me teach me how commie…all my commies love me all my all my commie love me….you aint fkin with this commie”
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Nnamdi Potter
October 28th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
mista,
point is, I don’t think there’s a direct correlation between practicing with pads on and improved D.
Bad tackling happened in 1940, 1960, 1980, today…
There were bad D’s 50 years ago when teams practiced in pads more. I’d say the lack of preseason is hurting overall D this year more than how many days they practice with pads.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Goldie7
Get off the blog you fart slurping douche bag.
Teblow is the most overrated athlete of our era.
Women the the lingerie league have better throwing mechanics.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
but the answer is 1. same team, follow them up year after year.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Mista….you think Kelly gonna post some more democrats are great articles?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Nnamdi Potter is funny did you see the Ben Roethlisberger cave man?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Alex7, the answer is ZERO. You have never coached a team.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Yes.
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Mista….you think Kelly gonna post some more democrats are great articles?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
KK Munster cant help himself he will re post stats and meaningless propaganda from left wing commie blogs, its in his DNA just like gravy.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
65.MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Yes.
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Mista….you think Kelly gonna post some more democrats are great articles?
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He prolly conjuring up a way to get one of the bloggers to go with him and Beecher to go to the all male party cruise with special K&A sponsored kneepads
October 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ohbama is rallying the troops getting ready for a second term of his dictatorship.
Bad news, America has awaken! The mask is off this marxist/socialist a$$ clown!
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You’ve been warned!
Don’t be mad when he redistributes your 50.00 life savings to those more under-privileged than you.
Oh wait….
October 28th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
B did you peep that link of #21
October 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
“K&A sponsored kneepads”
Yeah that’s a good one still LOL
October 28th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Mistic, Campbell thought that there could be a “match up” in a cover 2 formation. That’s why Hue was screaming at him, and why he couldn’t wait to replace him.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
The Hate Group, among our blog.
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666, anybody who put’s 666 in their handle, is obviously connected to hate.
BrownStains, Festers in his trailer, and hates.
Aryan Brien, calls MLKjr a “Commie”, who does that but the KKK,?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Ob@ma’s coming for MB’s Dale Earnhardt commemorative coins in his second term.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
69.MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
B did you peep that link of #21
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naw what u talking about?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Mistic, Campbell thought that there could be a “match up” in a cover 2 formation. That’s why Hue was screaming at him, and why he couldn’t wait to replace him.
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To be fair, he recognized a cover 2 v. the Browns a few weeks later and di what he was supposed to.
Unfortunately, JC’s inability to slide correctly was his downfall. How many examples have we seen where ol’ boy just could not slide? How many times did we cringe when he attempted it?
Somebody said he needs to hang out with Rickey Henderson, lol.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
La to the Bay, only a biased, lock step supporter of an NFL qb would think it’s acceptable to not understand that there is no matchups in cover 2 at any point in his career. 7 years in the league, and he thinks there’s a matchup when the D is in a base cover 2? Don’t take my word for it. Hue was screaming at him.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
The Hate Group, among our blog.
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666, Anybody who includes the hate moniker 666, in their handle, is obviously connected to hate.
BrownStains, Festers in his trailer, and hates, and hates, and hates.
Aryan Brien, expert in urban nomenclature, calls MLKjr a “Commie”, who does that but the KKK,?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
http://www.bleedinggreennation.com/2011/10/26/2515994/the-linc-nnamdi-asomugha-as-harry-potter
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# Method To My Madness Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:32 pm
naw what u talking about?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
La to the Bay, only a biased, lock step supporter of an NFL qb would think it’s acceptable to not understand that there is no matchups in cover 2 at any point in his career. 7 years in the league, and he thinks there’s a matchup when the D is in a base cover 2? Don’t take my word for it. Hue was screaming at him.
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sully.
ben vereen would be proud of that dance step. Answer the question.
palmer misread the cover two and threw a pick, does that make him a bad qb?
or do pro qbs misread the defense on occasion
October 28th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
KK Munster is your needle stuck you posted that garb 3 times now ?
lmfao
October 28th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Sat out in the old left field bleachers once at an A’s game (pre Mt. Davis), and Ricky would turn back and check out chicks up in the stands, to the point to where he almost missed a fly ball coming his way. He’d fling the ball back to the infield, and start scoping out the stands again. We couldn’t believe it. “Pay attention, Ricky!”. Suddenly, years later, I think when he was with San Diego, a fly ball gets hit to him in left field and he doesn’t even see it. He’s looking back in the stands flirting with girls there and that ball just flew right by him and I think they got a triple out of it. Ricky finally lost his touch. Still think he was one of the greatest baseball players of all time. See, Ricky’s got some accolades to make up for his proneness to getting distracted. Campbell doesn’t.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
70.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
“K&A sponsored kneepads”
Yeah that’s a good one still LOL
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HAHA
October 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
palmer misread the cover two and threw a pick, does that make him a bad qb?
or do pro qbs misread the defense on occasion
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They sure do.
Palmer recognized it immediately though. Didn’t have to have someone tell him (and ultimately, that may the difference between the two), but I agree with Mistic that as a Qb, you don’t get it right most of the time.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:40 pm
MB…im sad i even saw that pic…nnamdi is weird
October 28th, 2011 at 2:41 pm
ben vereen would be proud of that dance step. Answer the question.
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haha chicken george
October 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
That pic sums up Nnamdi all in 1 shot.
The end
October 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
# LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
palmer misread the cover two and threw a pick, does that make him a bad qb?
or do pro qbs misread the defense on occasion
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They sure do.
Palmer recognized it immediately though. Didn’t have to have someone tell him (and ultimately, that may the difference between the two), but I agree with Mistic that as a Qb, you don’t get it right most of the time.
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he did you mean after he threw the pick?
all qbs will misread a defense evrey now and again. the good ones will keep the pick totals in the low teens
October 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
86.MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
That pic sums up Nnamdi all in 1 shot.
The end
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Not management
October 28th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Mistic, Hue wasn’t screaming at Campbell because he misread a cover 2, he was screaming at him because Campbell thought that there could be a match up in cover 2. NE was playing a simple cover 2 zone. Nobody was covering anyone. A 7 year Qb couldn’t pick that up? In Palmer’s situation, KC was showing cover 3, and they had been playing cover 3 all day. Suddenly, one of the 3 deep snuck up and went to man, while the 2 left deep played 2. At least there was deception in Palmer’s case. In Campbell’s case, there was no deception. Base cover 2….and ding dong Campbell was looking for matchups!!! Don’t take my word for it. NFL net had the game miked up. Hue Jackson is screaming as much to Campbell when he sulks back to the sideline…after throwing a pick to the elusive defensive back, VINCE WILFORK!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
Watching Green Room on CSN
Romanowski reached out to Raider employees/players. Says Carson’s a gym rat, extremely hard worker – lives, eats, breathes football. Says Cincy was an organization where guys played for a paycheck, Carson couldn’t stand it anymore.
Eric Davis seems to think like Mistic. “If it happened once, could happen again” regarding his ‘retirement.’
October 28th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Basically, Campbell was good against lousy teams. NE was his real test. That pick to the end zone was it for him. By the time he through the masterful pick to Wilfork later in the game, Hue’s mind was made up. First opportunity to replace Campbell, he’s jumping on it. And that’s exactly what he did, didn’t he? Mistic and LAtotheBay, admit that Hue Jackson and myself see eye to eye on Campbell.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
sully all of that because palmer also misread a defense once? wow.
face it this is football the defense and defensive coordinators get paid for a reason.
ALL QBS WILL MISREAD A DEFENSE ON OCCASION.
JUST KEEP THE PICK TOTALS DOWN IN THE LOW TEENS
October 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Mistic and LAtotheBay, admit that Hue Jackson and myself see eye to eye on Campbell.
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Not sure why I’m in this comment, but I’ll say that Hue saw his opportunity to get his guy in here and have a long term solution at QB.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Where else would I come to find reference to Ben Vereen in a football blog? A Raiders blog, of course!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Where else would I come to find reference to Ben Vereen in a football blog? A Raiders blog, of course!
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lol.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Mistic,
Hue Jackson and myself aren’t mad at Campbell for misreading a coverage shell. We’re mad at him for even thinking there could be a match up in a base cover 2, which is what Campbell was facing.
Do you know what a base cover 2 is?
No deception.
2 deep safeties.
Linebackers and corners playing well off the line, even space between each other (except when corners are following receivers in motion), nobody showing blitz, just an obvious base zone formation. There’s no matchup in that, Mistic. And Campbell thought there was. Do want me to explain it to you again, or should we have Hue Jackson himself explain it to you! Because he said just as much when Campbell sulked back to the sideline, caught on NFLnet’s miked up.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
TE up the seam in cover 2 all day, mayne!
October 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Well, NE wasn’t playing base cover 2 all day. The game was pretty much over at that point. But if Belichick had known ahead of time that our QB actually thinks there’s matchups in a base cover 2, heck he would have ran it from kickoff to final whistle. And Vince Wilfork probably would have ended the game with 5 picks.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Would it be a base cover 2 with a 400 lb. NT dropping back in coverage?
October 28th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
@23, KK, silverandblack666:
Al’s address is public record. I looked it up one day a few years ago and drove by there on my way home. He wasn’t hard to find. The property isn’t even in a trust. Its in his own name.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
cover-2 kicked Gannon’s butt once upon a time.
October 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Wilfork wasn’t in coverage, he was rushing the passer. And Campbell still tossed it to him.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
captain checkdown. earned the nickname in washington for a reason.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
Tampa’s defense was really about their pass rush. And they didn’t use a base cover 2, they used the “Tampa 2″, which is really more like a tight cover 4. To be honest with you, I learned what a Tampa 2 is reading wikipedia. I’m no maven when it comes to defensive schemes. Lol. But Tampa’s defense relied heavily on the pass rush from their front 4, and they were in Gannon’s face all day. Of course if we had our head coach, they wouldn’t have been there anyway and we would have stomped the Eagles in Super Bowl 37.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:03 pm
– Eric Davis seems to think like Mistic. “If it happened once, could happen again” regarding his ‘retirement.’
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CPalmer has been playing football his whole life. It’s what he does, and what he wants to do. You can tell he has football left in him, and so can he. He’s a pretty good QB, who could be regarded as elite with the right talent, and good coaching, around him.
Plus, he’s making less than half of what he expected to make this year…and walking away from even bigger money in the next few years would be mighty hard to do…that’s elite money right there. And for awhile he thought he gave that up for good.
The only way CPalmer walks away, is if he sux…and he’ll know it when he does. As if the fans won’t let him know it, too. But, I don’t see him failing…and my biggest concern now is keeping him healthy.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
In a basic cover 2, the 2 safeties have responsibility for their respective halves of the deep field. In a Tampa 2, the corners have responsibility for the deep field from the sideline to about 10 yards in, where the 2 deep safeties then have less deep field responsibility, frees them up to clue in and get picks. That’s where Dexter Jackson comes in.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Listening to Soup’s part 2 interview, the following information was evident:
• He is still a really classy guy
• He throws nobody under the bus
• He has really found himself while at Oakland
• He has/had an excellent relationship with his teammates
• He speaks highly of his teammates
• He feels he’s a starter in this league and he most likely will NOT be in Oakland next year.
• He will be looking for a starter role next year.
http://bleacherreport.com/tb/bbK5c (select part 2 of his interview)
I personally would like to see JC remain in Oakland as the BU-QB. But, I do understand if he wants to move on. He could probably land a starting role at the SeaHawks. I will cheer for him as long as they are not playing the Raiders. He’s definitely a good guy. Unfortunately for him, his injury has initiated the Carson Palmer era in Oakland.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:05 pm
madden taught me alot about defenses too
love those zone pictures
Isn’t tampa two more like a cover 3 though, with the 2 safeties dropping more towards the sidelines and the MLB into the deep middle?
October 28th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
59.Silverandblack666 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Goldie7
Get off the blog you fart slurping douche bag.
Teblow is the most overrated athlete of our era.
Women the the lingerie league have better throwing mechanics.
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Hey 666…You are the biggest douche bag of them all. You COWARD! Stop jinxing our Raiders by talking against a decent young Man that did no wrong against you. You turd face. Your comments are dumber than a box of rocks. Grow up! You devil.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
hahahaa
sully in a tailspin
a misread is a misread no matter if its palmer manning or plunket
October 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
if you skipped the link in post 39, don’t.
Tebowing. Verb.
ca.sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Introducing-Tebowing-It-8217-s-like-planking-?urn=nfl-wp10549
different than “Cutlering”
October 28th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Wow…a fight.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:11 pm
Campbell is the perfect backup QB, for sure. Doesn’t make a lot of mistakes. Can perform adequately enough to win some games. Isn’t the kind of player who will lead a team on a deep playoff run. Would love to see him stay in Oakland as a backup, but he’ll probably get a starting gig elsewhere, most likely in a scenario where the team has a rookie in need of grooming.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Tebow is the most over hyped football player since Brian Bozworth.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I bet Tim Tebow can play better QB better than you. lol
October 28th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Hype is good. NFL = entertainment.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
For Pete’s sake stop jinxing my Raiders against the Donkeys.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
Young American. … I’ve said this a lot.. atleast 8-10 would sign him… someone said he’s probably ending up in Seattle next season. I believe Baltimore can really use him… he’s another Trent dilfer. … with that ravens defense. . He could go far. IMO
October 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Mistic, take it up with Hue Jackson. Clearly Hue Jackson sees it the way I do. Did you watch the episode of NFL network miked up? Whatever that show’s called? Just watch it. Then think about what Hue just did to Jason Campbell. Then do the math. Don’t take my word for it, Mistic. Take Jackson’s word for it.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Goldie7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
For Pete’s sake stop jinxing my Raiders against the Donkeys.
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If Raiders can’t beat Tebow, they have no shot at winning the AFC West. Bresnehan should be fired immediately after the game.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
Wilfork wasn’t in coverage, he was rushing the passer. And Campbell still tossed it to him.
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Gotcha.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
Jc should move on, no way should he accept backing up palmer.
to bad though he wont go to a team with a good coach and weapons like he had here. I enjoyed watching him destroy the haters and the impostors on this board.
But if anybody can handle rebuliding a team its him, look what he did for us
October 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Raiders should float an offer to JCampbell for 2-years, in the $2.2-$2.5 million per year range. The going rate for a quality backup is nearly $2 million already.
Guarantee Campbell’s salary for 2 more years, and he’d have to think hard about staying as a backup. Backup QB’s in the NFL play a lot, as he already knows. Campbell as the Raiders’ backup would be perfect, and he’d have complete grasp of the Offense he’d run if (when) he’s ever called upon to play.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Mistic, take it up with Hue Jackson. Clearly Hue Jackson sees it the way I do. Did you watch the episode of NFL network miked up? Whatever that show’s called? Just watch it. Then think about what Hue just did to Jason Campbell. Then do the math. Don’t take my word for it, Mistic. Take Jackson’s word for it.
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you are rambling
jc threw a pick into cover 2, so did palmer. so has every nfl qb that has played.
next
October 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
Nope, JC good as gone.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
jC palmers back up?!?!?!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
doubt it
October 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
We gotta do better than Boller, though.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
No news on the search for a GM, Steve?
October 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Trying to think of a team that JC would have a legitimate shot at being the long term answer as a #1 QB.
Luck and Barkley are going to take 2 teams off the list.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Mistic, Hue Jackson didn’t end the Campbell era in Oakland with one phone call last week because Campbell threw an interception into cover 2. He did it because Campbell thought that there was any such thing as a match up in a base cover 2 shell.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
119.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
Goldie7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:18 pm
For Pete’s sake stop jinxing my Raiders against the Donkeys.
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If Raiders can’t beat Tebow, they have no shot at winning the AFC West. Bresnehan should be fired immediately after the game.
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Agreed AP. Even though Tebow is a QB for our rivalry team…he’s still a winner in his heart. Tebow mechanics may be different but he still a winner unlike Kyle Boller, Josh McCown etc. and I like Kyle Boller, honestly I do. lol
October 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Mistic, Hue Jackson didn’t end the Campbell era in Oakland with one phone call last week because Campbell threw an interception into cover 2. He did it because Campbell thought that there was any such thing as a match up in a base cover 2 shell.
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sully no one cares about your conspiracy theory
bottom line all qbs mis read a defense on occasion including your newest hard on palmer
thanks for playing though
October 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
No news on the search for a GM, Steve?
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Are you really expecting Steve to have any inside news? The guy can barely get out of bed before noon.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
J Hill Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Trying to think of a team that JC would have a legitimate shot at being the long term answer as a #1 QB.
Luck and Barkley are going to take 2 teams off the list.
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Barkley was recruited when Pete Carrol was at USC, correct?
As we saw with Taylor Mays, that doesn’t mean TOO much, but I would figure Seattle is a good fit.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Silverandblack666
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The corporate dream of sissifying the game is being realized.
More points = more dollars.
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Al Davis knew this years ago. Where did high-powered offenses come from ? The AFL. It was always about the points. Its the helmet to helmet blows is where it got ticky-tack…hard to draw the line at what was legal and illegal at times
October 28th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
Are you really expecting Steve to have any inside news? The guy can barely get out of bed before noon.
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LOL.
No, not really. Just bored.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Agreed AP. Even though Tebow is a QB for our rivalry team…he’s still a winner in his heart. Tebow mechanics may be different but he still a winner unlike Kyle Boller, Josh McCown etc. and I like Kyle Boller, honestly I do. lol
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Tebow hasn’t won anything in the NFL. He was lucky to beat a pathetic Dolphin team who couldn’t even cover an onside kick.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Raiders in their great years have had a capable backup QB able to step up when called on. Hue Jax saw the other day…we have no such capable backup. I’d venture a guess that Alameda is already contemplating how to keep JCampbell.
So what if Jason said he doesn’t want to be a backup? Every erstwhile starting QB says that. His other offer$ aren’t going to be huge, and the Raiders would be smart to hold onto a QB we already know can lead the team.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Tebow in one slightly contrived statement:
overrated but can’t be underestimated.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
If Raiders can’t beat Tebow, they have no shot at winning the AFC West. Bresnehan should be fired immediately after the game.
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Keep him in the pocket, mix coverages, sack, wrap twist and get help. He tries to buy time and exploit the running games. Key INTS come when you jump his hot reads. He also turns completely around often so keep the edges sealed…the only thing is he’ll just blast up the middle, so Blackstock, Mitchell and them better bring it in run support.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Mistic, Hue Jackson didn’t end the Campbell era in Oakland with one phone call last week because Campbell threw an interception into cover 2. He did it because Campbell thought that there was any such thing as a match up in a base cover 2 shell.
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Hue Jackson didnt end the Campbell era…Kyle Boller did.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Yep you may be correct but he’s still has a winner mentality. If you know anything about life…you can clearly see a winning mentality in Tebow.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Mistic,
Why do you think Hue Jackson brought in Carson Palmer, effectively ending the Campbell era in Oakland?
October 28th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
JC should do what is best for JC.
Is there a chance he could be back in Oakland as the backup?
Sure why not.
If he does not get any offers he LIKES, I hope he could always have oppurtunity/fall back option to stay with the Raiders. Hopefully the Raiders feel the same way. It gives Campbell power to choose his destiny/future, to be open to the chance to test free agency and still have the option to sign with the Raiders as the #2.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Misty eyes… having a melt down…. haters/ impostors. Lmao. .. well I guess we know where you stand with Palmer too…. right?? Mr hater… I don’t think a anyone ” hated” jc the way you say… I for one thought he was a descent quarter back… but no way do I think he’s as good as Palmer. But who knows?? I still wanted jc to do well. ..no matter what!, I’m sorry, but if there’s any hating going on now.. its you What g on Palmer! !
October 28th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
143.Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Mistic,
Why do you think Hue Jackson brought in Carson Palmer, effectively ending the Campbell era in Oakland?
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You fkin idiot…campbell done for season basically….Hue trying to win division this year cuz Boller isnt good at all…..you are such a little btch….youre a coward and scared to meet me face to face
October 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Brien, I’m scared of what I’d do to you if I met you face to face. Have a feeling I could be jailed for assault on a minor. So I choose not to waste my time.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ohbama is rallying the troops getting ready for a second term of his dictatorship.
Bad news, America has awaken! The mask is off this marxist/socialist a$$ clown!
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Doesnt matter who the President is. They dance the tune of the same people. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Banking Cartels. The last real President was John F. Kennedy…before that Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson (who paid off the National Debt in the 1830’s. That left-right nonsense is just a distraction from the real problem. The Federal Reserve and weak and bought off Congress.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
MR spare me your womanly styled arguments that have zero point. If JC was 100 pct…Palmer is still on couch in Del Mar…facts….anyway you wanna slice and dismiss it…. its FACT that Hue wasnt getting Palmer before the Browns game
October 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
147.Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
Brien, I’m scared of what I’d do to you if I met you face to face. Have a feeling I could be jailed for assault on a minor. So I choose not to waste my time.
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MR you cant fight and youre scared to fight…..I have no problem taking you off this earth and will look you in the eyes before I do it….you not ready to deal with that you little pssy….minor? stop being a wimp and making excuses
October 28th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
That left-right nonsense is just a distraction from the real problem. The Federal Reserve and weak and bought off Congress.
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Word.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
MR you are a scared little white guy who has been punked by other white people….they dislike you becuz you remind them of the soft pansies that the elite ushered in the 60s…soft sensitive lil scared white boy who is ashamed of who he is…..you’re a fking disgrace
October 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Tim Tebow = Rudy with talent and poor mechanics.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
There are an awful lot of good guys with winner mentalities in the NFL. And they don’t get nearly the pub Tebow gets…often because they don’t want it. Tebow? Where’s the camera? Oh, there’s Tebow, too.
That’s what I don’t like about Tebow. He loves all the pub and attention he can get…he knows those that believe in his cause will be keeping him in paychecks the rest of his life. With or without football.
Tebow’s a story…and he and the NFL are ca$hing in on it. Tebow is more story than professional-quality QB, and yet he gets so much “legitimate” press. He’s non-news, and should be relegated to it once again by the Raiders Defense.
Nice guy?? Who gives a fock. Pound him hard and make him cry.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
148.RaiderSam Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ohbama is rallying the troops getting ready for a second term of his dictatorship.
Bad news, America has awaken! The mask is off this marxist/socialist a$$ clown!
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Doesnt matter who the President is. They dance the tune of the same people. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Banking Cartels. The last real President was John F. Kennedy…before that Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson (who paid off the National Debt in the 1830’s. That left-right nonsense is just a distraction from the real problem. The Federal Reserve and weak and bought off Congress.
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Dont tell Kell that lmao….he will just say youre a bootlicker
October 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Raiders need to get up on the Broncos and put them away. Keep the game close.
stat; Tebow has a 116.8 passer rating in the fourth quarter the past two games. …
October 28th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
If JC and Palmer were both free agents sitting there for Hue to pick, Hue picks Palmer 10 out of 10 times.
JC still average reading an NFL defense, and below average completing passes that go more than 6 yards in the air.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
That’s what I don’t like about Tebow. He loves all the pub and attention he can get…he knows those that believe in his cause will be keeping him in paychecks the rest of his life. With or without football.
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Cam Newton = Tebow with more talent.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
152.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Tim Tebow = Rudy with talent and poor mechanics.
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Absolutely LA.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Goldie7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
152.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Tim Tebow = Rudy with talent and poor mechanics.
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Absolutely LA.
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LA to TheBay = always right, even when he’s wrong.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
lol LA. So Tebow should DISLIKE publicity and attention that helps him do what he enjoys doing outside of football (charitable works)?
That’s silly.
If you want to help people, it certainly helps to be famous.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Raiders should float an offer to JCampbell for 2-years, in the $2.2-$2.5 million per year range. The going rate for a quality backup is nearly $2 million already.
Guarantee Campbell’s salary for 2 more years, and he’d have to think hard about staying as a backup. Backup QB’s in the NFL play a lot, as he already knows. Campbell as the Raiders’ backup would be perfect, and he’d have complete grasp of the Offense he’d run if (when) he’s ever called upon to play.
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I’m thinking along th same lines you are. Jason needs to look at it more objectively – work the numbers. How much can HE get as a starter someplace with a much weaker team? How long will that contract be for? versus getting a long term BU-QB contract here for say $2.5M for 4-5 years, possibly guaranteed. Being a BU greatly increases your longevity and therefore your total earning potential. He’ll also most likely participate in a Championship season or two while he’s here. Compare that against stating for podunk team X for 2 years & then the unknown. The Raider option doesn’t look all that bad IMO.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
That’s what I don’t like about Tebow. He loves all the pub and attention he can get…he knows those that believe in his cause will be keeping him in paychecks the rest of his life. With or without football.
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Cam Newton = Tebow with more talent.
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Cam Newton = Better mechanics, faster, accurate. Brandon Lloyd was saying Tebow’s throwing motion completely changes how you have to run routes, thats why you need to make miracle catches. Notice the diving grab Fells had to make. The pass to Matt Willis on the crossing route was good. Raiders will need to notch up the pass rush or when they blitz get to him and not whiff.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Brien, I feel sorry for you. You know, you remind me of a couple guys I knew growing up, where everyone would say about them, “he won’t live to be 30″. And, Brien, those guys didn’t. One was shot by his best friend, for trying to kick his door down in the middle of a drunken rage (there was a newborn in the house). Another pulled a knife out on a sheriff, and met his fate. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, Brien, but I’m telling you that if you don’t change your direction and do something about your violent nature, you’re going to meet an early grave.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Who hits Tebow First?
My pick, T. Branch Blitz!
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
LOL, Brien is so tough on the internet.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
lol LA. So Tebow should DISLIKE publicity and attention that helps him do what he enjoys doing outside of football (charitable works)?
That’s silly.
If you want to help people, it certainly helps to be famous.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Kim Newton = Super-talented, and a QB mentality. But I don’t feel as greasy after watching Tebow. Just don’t like that slippery smile of Newton’s, I guess. Ha.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
MistaBrown Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Ohbama is rallying the troops getting ready for a second term of his dictatorship.
Bad news, America has awaken! The mask is off this marxist/socialist a$$ clown!
=====================
Doesnt matter who the President is. They dance the tune of the same people. The Council on Foreign Relations and the Banking Cartels. The last real President was John F. Kennedy…before that Abraham Lincoln, and Andrew Jackson (who paid off the National Debt in the 1830’s. That left-right nonsense is just a distraction from the real problem. The Federal Reserve and weak and bought off Congress.
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Dont tell Kell that lmao….he will just say youre a bootlicker
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LMAO!
October 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Alex, well, I should maybe have copied and pasted the first half of the statement regarding publicity, not necessarily the part where it helps his cause, but now that you mention it….
I guess I agree with you if his intentions are good.
But in contrast, a guy who has been absolutely demonized by the media and former fans, JaMarcus Russell, does all kinds of charity and seeks no media attention. Tries to avoid it apparently.
Food for thought.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Brien, I feel sorry for you. You know, you remind me of a couple guys I knew growing up, where everyone would say about them, “he won’t live to be 30″. And, Brien, those guys didn’t. One was shot by his best friend, for trying to kick his door down in the middle of a drunken rage (there was a newborn in the house). Another pulled a knife out on a sheriff, and met his fate. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, Brien, but I’m telling you that if you don’t change your direction and do something about your violent nature, you’re going to meet an early grave.
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Brien is all keyboard gangsta tough. I bet he would back down from a real fight.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
The Raiders should float an offer to JCampbell for 2-years, in the $2.2-$2.5 million per year range. The going rate for a quality backup is nearly $2 million already.
Guarantee Campbell’s salary for 2 more years, and he’d have to think hard about staying as a backup. Backup QB’s in the NFL play a lot, as he already knows. Campbell as the Raiders’ backup would be perfect, and he’d have complete grasp of the Offense he’d run if (when) he’s ever called upon to play.
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I’m thinking along th same lines you are. Jason needs to look at it more objectively – work the numbers. How much can HE get as a starter someplace with a much weaker team? How long will that contract be for? versus getting a long term BU-QB contract here for say $2.5M for 4-5 years, possibly guaranteed. Being a BU greatly increases your longevity and therefore your total earning potential. He’ll also most likely participate in a Championship season or two while he’s here. Compare that against stating for podunk team X for 2 years & then the unknown. The Raider option doesn’t look all that bad IMO.
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Is Billy Volek a good example of this?
October 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
JC is already thinking about being elsewhere next year. He won’t even entertain a backup QB offer in Oakland.
JC in Miami, Indy, Seattle, Cleveland, Baltimore.
Plenty of options.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
BTW, post 163..was my last comment directed toward Brien, EVER. I was brought up to steer clear of people like that. And I’m only ashamed I went against such values for so long. He’s not worth my time.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
159.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Goldie7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
152.LA to TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Tim Tebow = Rudy with talent and poor mechanics.
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Absolutely LA.
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LA to TheBay = always right, even when he’s wrong.
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LOL…No one said say all of that.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Kim Newton = Super-talented, and a QB mentality. But I don’t feel as greasy after watching Tebow. Just don’t like that slippery smile of Newton’s, I guess. Ha.
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Yea, Cam seems like he really, really digs Cam.
Tebow may dig himself, but he’s probably had more practice in using god as a mask. Without getting into a religious debate (again), this is a talent that a lot of self-proclaimed champions of Chr;stianity have. Use god as a guise for their own self-interests.
Maybe he’s sincere. Don’t know.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Kim Newton = Super-talented, and a QB mentality. But I don’t feel as greasy after watching Tebow. Just don’t like that slippery smile of Newton’s, I guess. Ha.
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A lot of people are eating their words on Newton. Especially Nolan Narwocki of Pro Football Weekly. “Very disingenuous — has a fake smile, comes off as very scripted and has a selfish, me-first makeup,”
“Always knows where the cameras are and plays to them. Has an enormous ego with a sense of entitlement that continually invites trouble and makes him believe he is above the law — does not command respect from teammates and will always struggle to win a locker room . . . Lacks accountability, focus and trustworthiness — is not punctual, seeks shortcuts and sets a bad example. Immature and has had issues with authority. Not dependable.”
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Newton pretty much lit up every secondary …. nothing like putting it back in people’s faces. LONG LIVE SPORTS! With Tebow, the same people doubt him, but never, never underestimate determination.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
true LA, I respect someone that can do charitable works without wanting the glory.
I just feel that Tebow would do that, if possible, but he’s stated he realizes that fame gives him opportunities to affect more people in ways he couldn’t otherwise.
Overall, I don’t see what’s so polarizing about millions of people wanting a good guy to succeed.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Tebow may dig himself, but he’s probably had more practice in using god as a mask. Without getting into a religious debate (again), this is a talent that a lot of self-proclaimed champions of Chr;stianity have. Use god as a guise for their own self-interests.
Maybe he’s sincere. Don’t know.
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I think Tebow is sincere. He’s just not a good QB.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
I’m thinking along th same lines you are. Jason needs to look at it more objectively – work the numbers. How much can HE get as a starter someplace with a much weaker team? How long will that contract be for? versus getting a long term BU-QB contract here for say $2.5M for 4-5 years, possibly guaranteed. Being a BU greatly increases your longevity and therefore your total earning potential. He’ll also most likely participate in a Championship season or two while he’s here. Compare that against stating for podunk team X for 2 years & then the unknown. The Raider option doesn’t look all that bad IMO.
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Doubt it.
I’d rather make less money taking my lumps as a starter with a rebuilding team than chill on the bench, though I think you would be hard pressed to find backups making more than starters.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
“LA to TheBay = always right, even when he’s wrong.”
…………
Always tells the truth, even when he lies.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2x_TE4KTre8
October 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RaiderSam,
what did Nolan say about Cam’s actual passing ability? I could see Cam being the way Nolan described him (personality-wise) yet still being incredibly talented as a passer. Not like one the first would have to cause the latter to suffer.
October 28th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
171.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Brien, I feel sorry for you. You know, you remind me of a couple guys I knew growing up, where everyone would say about them, “he won’t live to be 30″. And, Brien, those guys didn’t. One was shot by his best friend, for trying to kick his door down in the middle of a drunken rage (there was a newborn in the house). Another pulled a knife out on a sheriff, and met his fate. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, Brien, but I’m telling you that if you don’t change your direction and do something about your violent nature, you’re going to meet an early grave.
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Brien is all keyboard gangsta tough. I bet he would back down from a real fight.
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Nov 6th buddy…lets see if I back down
October 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Who hits Tebow First?
My pick, T. Branch Blitz!
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Timothy, first must get out of the Lions game with his head still attached to his shoulders, before we get a crack at him…
October 28th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
164.Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Brien, I feel sorry for you. You know, you remind me of a couple guys I knew growing up, where everyone would say about them, “he won’t live to be 30″. And, Brien, those guys didn’t. One was shot by his best friend, for trying to kick his door down in the middle of a drunken rage (there was a newborn in the house). Another pulled a knife out on a sheriff, and met his fate. I don’t know what’s wrong with you, Brien, but I’m telling you that if you don’t change your direction and do something about your violent nature, you’re going to meet an early grave.
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bruh have u been watching the news….we all bout to see an early grave…well most of us…I’ll survive Zomebieland
October 28th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
174.Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
BTW, post 163..was my last comment directed toward Brien, EVER. I was brought up to steer clear of people like that. And I’m only ashamed I went against such values for so long. He’s not worth my time.
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Yeah wave the white flag btch
October 28th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
If JaMarcus had Tebow’s determination, he’d be Canton-bound. Alas, just another of Al’s dreams.
I’ve never doubted Tebow’s determination, regardless where it boils from. A determined opponent is a dangerous opponent.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Who hits Tebow First?
My pick, T. Branch Blitz!
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Timothy, first must get out of the Lions game with his head still attached to his shoulders, before we get a crack at him…
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True, “Get the cart”-SUH!
October 28th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
F Tebow F Cam Newton and F anybody but the Raiders
October 28th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Alex 7,
Would Tebow still be considered a “good guy” if he had never once mentioned his faith? If he were the same exact person, with the same exact life, with the same, shall I say…poor passing numbers? Basically if he were the same person sans the open religious views, does he still have the wholesome rep? Heck, is he even in the NFL?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
BTW, post 163..was my last comment directed toward Brien, EVER. I was brought up to steer clear of people like that. And I’m only ashamed I went against such values for so long. He’s not worth my time.
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All your aliases, you mean right, or just Sully.
So you as Albert Bigelow Paine, Raider Ray, Barry Halverson, Charged Up, The Realist Dirty Racooon, Goldie, you get my point many others.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Nov 6th buddy…lets see if I back down
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Brien, don’t be a fool. I’m not going to fight you. Why? Because I’m not stupid like you. You think I want to go to jail for kicking your ass?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Nov 6th buddy…lets see if I back down
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Brien, don’t be a fool. I’m not going to fight you. Why? Because I’m not stupid like you. You think I want to go to jail for kicking your ass?
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Right on CUE!!!!!!!
October 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
lol, Dell, yes, me and all my aliases are done responding to Brien. I feel sorry for him and I hope he gets help. But in the meantime, I’m just steering clear of him. Even on the fake internets.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
lol, Dell, yes, me and all my aliases are done responding to Brien. I feel sorry for him and I hope he gets help. But in the meantime, I’m just steering clear of him. Even on the fake internets.
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I’ll give you credit, for originality. Where do you come up with all these other names. Is it newspapers or books, enlighten me, please.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Raider Dell = Method To My Madness
October 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
MR — You’ve said these things before. Did you forget what a liar you are? You’ll be swinging on Bri’s vine again soon enough.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Dell, believe it or not, I’m only posting under this name. I’ve posted under a few other names in the past, but they were banned for inappropriate comments. I take no pride in that. I’m only Sullivan44. But there’s no way for me to prove it to you, so that’s all I can say.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
You know where I get my names, Dell.
Same as you. I make them up. I can be Bigelow and a few dozen more. You can be Seymour, and dozens more as well.
It’s what we do for attention.
I can admit it. Can you?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Raider Dell = Method To My Madness
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AHHH, yes, the turnaround play, very simple. Accuse the person of being someone else, to take the heat of you. Very good, MR
October 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Hayes, comment 163 was my last toward Brien. If you condone him threatening peoples lives, then maybe you take this football stuff too seriously.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Our man Cork and the rest of the local Raiders’ insiders can’t get a break. Cork says he’s been covering the Raiders for 17 years.
OK. and in all those years of being inside, we got TMZ to finally tells us what caused Mr. Davis’ death. Given TMZ is a yellow scandalous sheet, I can only wonder to the validity of the report. Once again, our fearless reporters couldn’t break a Raiders’ story if it bit them in the butt, sorry reporters for sure.
That’s why it’s so hilarious that Cork calls himself a “talent evaluator” after all the 17 years inside the practice fields. Heck from way out here, I can definitely tell that DHB is much better then the sixth best receiver in the Raiders depth chart. Why would Cork keep that insanity going? Does he know better than HueJax? If Cork is such a great football talent evaluator, wouldn’t he be better off as an NFL scout or player agent. I guess writing a blog for the Bay Area press pool is a better paying gig.
But, please Cork, get off your high mare on the DHB issue, I know stats are deceiving, but DHB has more catches and yards than any of the Raiders’ receivers, and so far this year he’s been pretty consistent. So yes, I’m sure there other better receivers in the NFL, but DHB has been holding his own, and on my side of things let’s hope he’ll get better, for Cork’s and the Raiders’ sake.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Alex7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RaiderSam,
what did Nolan say about Cam’s actual passing ability? I could see Cam being the way Nolan described him (personality-wise) yet still being incredibly talented as a passer. Not like one the first would have to cause the latter to suffer.
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I think that was the issue, he made a lot of the paragraph on personality…but as a passer Nolan said
“Worked exclusively out of the gun and was very quick to run at the first flash of coverage. Limited field vision — does not process the passing game. Inconsistent throwing mechanics with a flick delivery — generates all of his power from his upper-body strength and too often arms the ball. Streaky passer with spotty accuracy. Makes his receivers work hard and throws into coverage. Does not spin a tight spiral. ”
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Those bombs to Steve Smith looked pretty tight to me. This is the kind of thing that can affect the GM if a similar guy like Baylor’s QB Robert Griffin III would be considered as a prospect, but you can’t blame analysts after the JaMarcus Russell debacle. The maturity thing weighs heavy on GM, Scouts and coaches. Narwocki appears to have made mistake, but couldn’t backtrack once people called him out. To me, Newton was perfect. He smiled, didnt have tattoos, Richardson said; “You have a nice haircut and no tattoos, lets keep it that way” , he made plays that were exciting, but the bottom line is CAN HE WIN?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Raider Dell = Beeecham
October 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Raider Dell = stupid mother f*cker
October 28th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
BTW, comment 198 was not me. Guess we’re back to this game again.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Hayes. I can get Brien to respond to me anytime I want. Even when I say I’m not going to talk to him, he’ll beg me to post to him. What can I say?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
MR, let’s discuss in this blog something you love to comment about, Racisim, religion, democrat party or AL Davis.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Comments 203 and 204 were not me. Someone is trolling my name.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
But comment 191 is me. Just so we keep things straight.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
You’re so savvy, MR why don’t you spell out your swear word, your a lock in here, the mods love you.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
And 209, but not 208. That’s me as Albert.
You all following this?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
alex7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RaiderSam,
what did Nolan say about Cam’s actual passing ability? I could see Cam being the way Nolan described him (personality-wise) yet still being incredibly talented as a passer. Not like one the first would have to cause the latter to suffer
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Precisely why I, like Warren Moon, had a problem with Nawrocki’s bulsht critique. It had nothing to do with FOOTBALL. For all I know, he’s the biggest jerk in the history of the world. I couldn’t care less about that crap. Make plays on Sundays.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Whatever MR. I think your a prick, but I took take things too far. I apologize. Time to move on.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
You know better than to mess with someone you don’t even know the size of, Brien.
Be careful what you wish for.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
MR, you are in here 24/7, using so many names, are you just literally disfunctional human. Do you ever go out and have fun, are you totally that bored with life.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I do have some anger issues. Been trying to get help. The alcohol isn’t helping. Thanks for the advice MR.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
So what happened to you, Dell? You get tired of posting as Seymour? Or did you just lose track? That’s easy to do. Every once in a while I reply to myself under another name. Just to rile the natives.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
OK. and in all those years of being inside, we got TMZ to finally tells us what caused Mr. Davis’ death. Given TMZ is a yellow scandalous sheet, I can only wonder to the validity of the report. Once again, our fearless reporters couldn’t break a Raiders’ story if it bit them in the butt, sorry reporters for sure.
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I’m sure the family was “thrilled” to find TMZ broke the story…but SoCal was interested in the Raiders , and were polled on which team should move to L.A. as soon as Farmers Stadium was announced. I repect Steve for saying he hasnt confirmed it. As for DHB, Steve called him the sixth best receiver, and I would just say that Bey has worked himself to become a receiver, he just isnt a natural receiver. Notice they have shortened his routes…but he made a nice catch between two defenders going to the ground v. the Chiefs. I’m just hoping Denarius Moore hasnt lost confidence with his recent struggles.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Corkran adds nothing to this blog.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
MR, are you upset Davis received so many accolades and Love. His death opened up many eyes to his body of work, it really must of pissed you off.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
Honestly I’m bored with life, Dell. So why not stay here 24/7? Have no friends. Everyone knows I don’t have a job. My dog left me. Girls think I’m an ogre, but I’m not sure why. Other blogs keep kicking me off.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
alex7 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
RaiderSam,
what did Nolan say about Cam’s actual passing ability? I could see Cam being the way Nolan described him (personality-wise) yet still being incredibly talented as a passer. Not like one the first would have to cause the latter to suffer
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Precisely why I, like Warren Moon, had a problem with Nawrocki’s bulsht critique. It had nothing to do with FOOTBALL. For all I know, he’s the biggest jerk in the history of the world. I couldn’t care less about that crap. Make plays on Sundays.
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Only problem with Moon , is that he injected himself into the situation and pulled the race card while doing so. I dont know if he helped, but it intensified the argument on Narwocki even more. Im glad Newton did well….LOL at some comments “Finally, a white quarterback” when we got Carson Palmer. It gets pretty hectic with people’s expectations, analysis and comments.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Corkran adds nothing to this blog.
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And Jerry McD does?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Just got an email from a poster pointing out I’ve been on this board from 9 am to midnight, each day. Shouldn’t I get a retainer or something for my effort?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
I like Jerry.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
So Al had a bad ticker. Thats not to suprising. The weirdest part is that he dies at the Oakland Airport Hilton. Does that mean that he was planning on flying out to that Texans game?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I need dating tips. You guys have any advice? Opening lines or something? Hard to approach girls these days. At least for me. Howdy used to work, but now they just laugh at me. Cardigan’s used to be in, back in the day.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Just got an email from a poster pointing out I’ve been on this board from 9 am to midnight, each day. Shouldn’t I get a retainer or something for my effort?
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You should be getting paid for the time you spend here. Your presence probably increases blog hits by ten.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Davis had so much Love sent his way, you just must of melted in madness. Sports illustrated, every known football blog spoke so highly of Davis. You must of been pissed off. I bet you just couldn’t believe your eyes all the accomplishments that came through from the media.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Sullivan, if you want to pick up chicks, you need to get a party boat.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Overall, I don’t see what’s so polarizing about millions of people wanting a good guy to succeed.
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Haters hate.
Lot of people just see a guy who overcomes odds but root against him for the exact same reason people root for him.
I’m more wary of the religion thing though, as I am a Cynical Big City Liberal.
I’m out, Nation.
Be good.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
Raider Dell, quit acting the fool.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
This blog is a friggin joke.. anyone can post schit under anyone else’s name.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
MR, You need dating tips, I don’t think so. You just need a fresh new outlook on life. Let’s start with your>……
October 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
“LA to TheBay = always right, even when he’s wrong.”
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Always tells the truth, even when he lies.
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LMAO! I’ve been found out!
October 28th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
“LA to TheBay = always right, even when he’s wrong.”
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Always tells the truth, even when he lies.
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LMAO! I’ve been found out!
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reminds me of Scarface; “I always tell the truth…even when I lie”
October 28th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
yes, raidertay, it’s obvious that Al was not expecting to die that day – wouldn’t have been at the Hilton. Must have been pretty shocking to the wife or whoever was there with him. Just strange, though. Why would he be there in the first place? Unless you had an extremely early flight?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
The next Cam Newton/Tim Tebow
this is going to be a trend, if Panthers, Broncos start winning… the myth of the running QB has to end, and Steve Young was able to somewhat debunk that myth.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/835598-a-look-at-robert-griffin-iii-as-an-nfl-prospect
But for every Tebow, there are classic pocket passers like Brees, Brady, Manning, Rivers (maybe not this year) that put up numbers and win. Thing is, running QB’s add a different dimension, so coordinators need to recognize how to use them. I caught Fox’s expression after they won, and he didnt look thrilled, because he knows the media and fan base will continue to push a QB he didnt draft.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Tebow won’t be as good as Kordell Stewart was.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
Really? Ryan Fitzpatrick is worth a 59M contract? With 24M guaranteed?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
I like Jerry.
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So Steve calling DHB the sixth best receiver pretty much poisoned the well? Corkran has been covering them since 95, i believe. Jerry Mc does a good job, as well. Considering the secrecy of the Raiders, I believe they both deserve Pulitzers for getting the info they have managed to get! The guy i dont get is Tim Kawakami. Kawakami I cannot believe the guy got right up in Herrera’s face just daring him to hit him, with Kiffin somewhat grinning. .. dont these guys know you dont antagonize people you are trying to get info from?
October 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss that was HILARIOUS yesterday when you banded together with fellow blog punching bag Nob Raider for support and comfort!
I know it gets tough when I slap you two minions around, but holding another sucker’s hand only makes it easier for your master, Beeecham, to abuse you.
However, it makes for wonderful comedy. So keep up the great work!
DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, RECTIFY THE GAME
October 28th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
Kris Dielman, a Pro Bowl guard for San Diego, suffered a seizure on the flight home from New York on Sunday after a loss to the New York Jets, the Associated Press reported.
Citing an unnamed person with knowledge of the situation, the AP said an ambulance met the team plane and Dielman was hospitalized overnight. He was hurt in the fourth quarter and appeared dazed but continued playing. Because of other injuries, the Chargers were out of offensive linemen.
Although he declined to comment on the seizure, Dielman will not play Monday against Kansas City and has yet to take the test he’s required to pass before returning to practice.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
The Oakland Airport Hilton is the unofficial official Raiders hotel and home base. Ever want to run into former (and present) players and coaches? Check out the Hilton on game day weekends.
The sports bar isn’t anything special…until you run into a Freddie B. or Lamonica or Willie Brown or some other famous Raider legend, usually perfectly happy to meet you.
Not fancy, and not inexpensive…but the Oakland Airport Hilton is a Raiders place. Al’s passing there
only reinforces that fact.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
I read about Dielman, they didn’t think he’d play the next two games so that will include our game.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
Hayes – it was the in raider place back in the 80’s, too. i can’t believe it’s still there!
October 28th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
The Chargers should be fined for letting Dielman continue to play. And the referee who looked Dielman right in the eyes as he was stumbling around should be suspended. It was obvious the dude was on queer street after the play on which he was injured. But he waved-off any help. He wasn’t in the right mind to do such a thing, and he could’ve been even more seriously injured (as the seizures show).
October 28th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p2sV7O5gg8Y&feature=related
Video of 1983 Championship game against Seattle.
Love watching these old highlights. Raiders had a roughing the kicker, pass interference (that overturned an INT), and two fights in the first five minutes.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
i agree. He should have been checked for the concussion immediately – right then and there. terrible.
October 28th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
A fine shot of Herradura and some cervezas are calling me name…I must heed the call.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
October 28th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Albert Bigelow! Man, thanks for that link to the game! Special for me cuz i was working in germany at the time. never before seen.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
Tooz, you probably missed this one too, the Heidi game:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MFNNf_Kysjk&feature=related
October 28th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
I remember this game. The 1993 Denver game were Hostetler started a brawl by going after a guy who tried to hit him out of bounds. James Trap running on to the, not even suited up. That was a crazy game.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qbU8pCgfZzs&feature=related
October 28th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Rosters should be expanded beyond 53 players, if the NFL was serious about safety, teams would have more depth.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Bigelow – My boxed set contains the Heidi game, but i’m gonna watch this denver game you just put up. Thanks!
October 28th, 2011 at 5:18 pm
I was at the Heidi game, Charlie Smith is a friend of mine.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
LOLOLOL. When i watch these old videos, i have to laugh because the players would be ejected for some of the things they used to do back then. What the heck? how many times have you seen a fan or someone in street clothes run out on the field and join in a melee?
October 28th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Secrecy in the Raiders’ camp, no, really?
Thing is that TMZ, allegedly, was able to break that secrecy, and regularly so do BSPN and Jay Glazer with Fox, etc. etc. You can’t tell me Cork isn’t due to break a major story now and then. Wasn’t he who reported that wide receivers were tried out this week? Did it turn out to be running backs? Wow, I guess that after 17 years on the gig, one would be able to tell a wide receiver from a running back. Are the Raiders that secret that they are able to disguise RBs with WRs? Amazing.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
TheToozFan55 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 5:20 pm
LOLOLOL. When i watch these old videos, i have to laugh because the players would be ejected for some of the things they used to do back then. What the heck? how many times have you seen a fan or someone in street clothes run out on the field and join in a melee?
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Tooz, those were players in street clothes. I remember one of them was CB James Trap. I also remember “Fan Man” fly into the stadium during that game. He was the guy who had this flying contraption and landed on the field.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
World Net Daily:
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Born & raised in Oakland, I’ve never hears ANY black people quoting this rag, EXCEPT Brien.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
omg, i remember the flying contraption! Those were the good ol’ days. i saw one of the playoff games at the coliseum between raiders/broncos. We won that game but i can’t remember who we played next.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Mr. Palmer needs to focus his with 3 WRs, Mr. Ford, Mr. Heyward-Bey, Mr. Moore (he already has repor with Mr. Hagen); others will come along as the season goes.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Yeah, did hagan used to play with palmer or something?
October 28th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
anybody else watching the baseball? good stuff!
October 28th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
I also remember “Fan Man” fly into the stadium during that game. He was the guy who had this flying contraption and landed on the field.
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i was at that game! I wanna say we beat denver last game of the season to secure playoff berth and home field advantage then first round of the playoffs we beat em again
October 28th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
Yeah, the Raiders beat the Broncos 3 times that year.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d5JdVDbMqIE&feature=related
Watching the 2002 AFC Championship game. Titans really melted down at the end of the first half.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Porter dropped a sure TD at end of half.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
i came up from san diego with fam, picked up mom and we went to the Jets playoff game 2002. We took Bart. i remember an unfortunate jets fan on the ride home. lololol. it wasn’t bad….no curse words or blows. That year did the 49′ers play the bucs in the first playoff game for NFC? i can’t remember.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Poor Steve McNair……………………
October 28th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
KoolKell Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
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Born & raised in Oakland, I’ve never hears ANY black people quoting this rag, EXCEPT Brien.
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You’re as old as the hills. Before Jet, Ebony, Black Enterprise, Legacy, etc. Of course you heard no one quoting it. What’s more your style is what Huey and Bobby started back in the 60’s, even though mulatto’s weren’t allowed.
October 28th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Gannon was like Brady is now.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I was hoping jacheeseburger would have been another McNair… FAT chance….mcnair was a player…. he should’ve never messed around with that Iranian chick…. did she commit suicide after she shot him?? Can’t remember. .
October 28th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
I do remember her being a hottie…
October 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Porter was so good. What the hell happened to him?
October 28th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Carson Palmer should start off with the safest throws that can get the ball in the hand of the playmakers. The Raiders have many weapons on offense but they must be put in situations to get the best from the specific skillset. Throwing many passes just underneath the offense line should always be in the playbook because moore, DHB, and Ford can take it to the house from any place on the field. The reverses as well should stay even though team are better prepared for them. One block from the offense can spring a big run.
Even Pryor can get in for a few plays.
They say Hue is getting to cute with the plays. Well, Hue was looking pretty darn cute when he helped the Raiders win four game thus far with those same kind of plays.
Carson Palmer is has ability to throw players open. Throwing the ball in windows, zones, back shoulder. Their is more risk in these type of throws and it warrants more trust from the receivers.
I Desperately want The Raiders to have A QB that can dicate the pace of games like the great QB we see that throw ball at will if needed.
I wishing Palmer is that kind if QB.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
yes, she shot him and then herself. Wow! just watched bigelows link of that 2002 titans game. phil simms 10 years younger, chuck bresnahan. and good old richie rich. didn’t porter also drop a TD pass in the superbowl?
October 28th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
Albert… Raiders waived Porter. .. he was claimed off waivers by Seattle. .
October 28th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
I just realized how i’m like a heroin addict when it comes to the raiders. those clips are pure bliss, remembering when they were great. hope this year turns out to be more of that.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Albert. . Were you talking about Jerry Porter…LOL.. my bad.. I don’t know what happened with him.. outta football for sure..LOL
October 28th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
2romes, i share that hope.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:23 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Albert. . Were you talking about Jerry Porter…LOL.. my bad.. I don’t know what happened with him.. outta football for sure..LOL
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Yeah, Jerry Porter. He had so much talent. After his fight with Art Shell, he was never the same.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
after throwing a pick to the elusive defensive back, VINCE WILFORK!
Mistic,
Hue Jackson and myself aren’t mad at Campbell for misreading a coverage shell. We’re mad at him for even thinking there could be a match up in a base cover 2, which is what Campbell was facing.
Do you know what a base cover 2 is?
Well, NE wasn’t playing base cover 2 all day. The game was pretty much over at that point. But if Belichick had known ahead of time that our QB actually thinks there’s matchups in a base cover 2, heck he would have ran it from kickoff to final whistle. And Vince Wilfork probably would have ended the game with 5 picks.
Wilfork wasn’t in coverage, he was rushing the passer. And Campbell still tossed it to him.
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LMAO! Have to admit. Ole Sullie took it to Mistic earlier.
But then again, that’s not real hard is it.
Mistic is a few screws short of a hardware store.
A few fries short of a happy meal.
A few peas short of a casserole.
A few twists short of a slinky.
A few sandwiches short of a picnic.
A few clowns short of a circus.
A few tacos short of a fiesta.
A few watts short of a light bulb.
A few pecans short of a fruitcake.
wel…you get the idea
October 28th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says: October 28th, 2011 at 3:24 pm
jC palmers back up?!?!?!
BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
doubt it
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Dude, you are a grade A schmuck. What, JC is too good to back up Palmer? ROFLMFAO! You’re such a tool.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:30 pm
Brien sure hightailed it out of here after MR and I gave him a beat down earlier.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Mistic’s corn bread isn’t done in the middle.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Misty eyes.. elevator doesn’t go all the way to thetop floor…. he’s a couple of Jack’s short of a full deck..
October 28th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
Misty eyes.. elevator doesn’t go all the way to thetop floor…. he’s a couple of Jack’s short of a full deck..
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LOL. Yeah, I read Banana calling him Misty Eyes earlier. Very fitting. Gets all misty eyed over Soup.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
Banana started that..Lmao. . Its very fitting..
October 28th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
Misty Eyes lost contact with the mothership long ago.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
What’s up with Mistic. .. I can imagine him watching a raider game now.. hoping Palmer throws 3 interceptions 0 tds. .. but hoping the team still wins!! Wtf??… lol
October 28th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Yeah, he’ll be rooting against Palmer alright. He’s a Soup fanatic first, everything else is just bonus.
October 28th, 2011 at 6:51 pm
He was getting lit up in here earlier. All he kept coming back to was 12-7. He’s been reduced to posting like KK. lol
Hey Mistic – 12-7, eh? Soup all by himself, right?
October 28th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Can you imagine soup walking in the mall with his hott fiance…. and outta nowhere misty eyes… pops up professing his love for him….damn!!
October 28th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
Lol. I’m convinced Misty Eyes *IS* Soup’s fiancee. There’s no other way to describe it. Dude is either a CrackerJack or he’s related to Soup. Heck maybe he *IS* Soup. Poor Soup. If it’s true, Soup, we still like you man. We just needed a real QB to take us to the promised land. No hard feelings, bro.
I’ll be back later, ghost. Goot times. lol
October 28th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Lmao. .. alright.. later bro.. that’s some tiny sh!t man..
October 28th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Rest in peace Al, I hope our wo’s and Palmer got the timing down, I can’t take another showing like the KC game, I know it was with limited practice, but every pick cut me to my soul. Hopefully we will crush Tebow and his Broncos. Wish I could be there in person.
October 28th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
I need dating tips. You guys have any advice? Opening lines or something? Hard to approach girls these days. At least for me. Howdy used to work, but now they just laugh at me. Cardigan’s used to be in, back in the day.
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Just ask if they have any plans & then lick your eyebrow. That should do the trick.
October 28th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Jb. . He probably needs to hook up with a deaf… blind and dumb Chick…. maybe he might have chance…
October 28th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
I would have to really have to hate some chick to hook her up with sully. … he gives me the impression that he looks like skreech from saved by the bell..
October 28th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
http://www.youtube.com/watch?NR=1&v=xsFMfRGDMC0
Raiders vs. Brown – 1980 – divisional playoffs. Mistake by the lake.
not sure why this link doesn’t light up?
October 28th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
Tooz…memories! Van Eghan, Kenny King, Raymond Chester…I wonder how many people even know those names?
And CHris Bahr running across field to tackle the runner on the KO…I hope your watching Jano!
October 28th, 2011 at 7:46 pm
yesssssssssssssssssss hwndr and the next game was…..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cUnH95HeUEc&feature=related
October 28th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
i had beers with van eghan. sat by him with my friends at the bamboo room in santa rosa. really classy guy. art shell and gene upshaw were there. upshaw made fun of how big art shell’s feet were. called them snowshoes. ted hendricks was there and played “elvira” on the juke box. a fun day.
October 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Why isn’t plunkett in the hall of fame? came in after Pastorini’s injury and took the team to the superbowl! then repeated it a couple years later. how many QBs have done that?
October 28th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Oakland Raiders owner Al Davis died from heart
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October 28th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
The Rangers were one strike away last night. Wow.
October 28th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Autopalm, what?
October 28th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
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1980 wild card game against the oilers, who had ken stabler, dave casper and jack tatum. unreal, this is when earl was already messed up.
October 28th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
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failure three weeks ago while staying in an Oakland hotel he often slept in to be closer to team headquarters, according to his death certificate.
The document revealed that 82-year-old Allen Davis died at the Oakland Airport Hilton at 2:45 a.m. on Oct. 8 from congestive heart failure, cardiomyopathy (a heart muscle disease) and ventricular fibrillation (an abnormal heart rhythm). He suffered a ventricular fibrillation just 15 minutes before his death. The death report said his heart began to fail 24 hours before his death, likely from five years of living with heart disease.
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troubling swallowing.
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fix his mitral valve,
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14-year-old Raiders fan who had terminal cystic
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October 28th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
How sad that Al wound up dying at the Oakland Hilton. Don’t understand why he stayed there. Maybe it was just easier with all his problems.
Wonder what they will do with the house now.
Does Mark have any kids?
Or Al’s brother?
October 28th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
TheToozFan55 Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 7:52 pm
Why isn’t plunkett in the hall of fame? came in after Pastorini’s injury and took the team to the superbowl! then repeated it a couple years later. how many QBs have done that?
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This is what I’m saying.. 2 SB’s 1 SB MVP.. He was also ROY.. There are others in with much less
October 28th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
autopalm77 who the he!! are you?
October 28th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Al Davis wasn’t the first colorful owner in professional sports, but he’s one of the few who became the personification of his franchise. Al Davis is the Oakland Raiders and the Oakland Raiders are Al Davis.
The Raiders’ bully image of the 1970s and 1980s are attributed directly to Davis, who has often said he’d rather be feared than respected. Slogans such as “Just Win, Baby,” “Pride and Poise,” and “Commitment to Excellence” are Raider/Davis trademarks. “Don’t be afraid of failure,” said Davis, who was inducted into the Pro Football Hall of Fame in 1992. “Don’t worry about mistakes. Just win.”
And the Raiders have: They have won three Super Bowls and 15 division titles in Davis’ managerial reign, which began in 1966 after he had coached the team for three seasons (23-16-3) in the American Football League.
“I don’t think the idea is to be totally human,” Davis said. “I don’t want to look like the other owners. It’s establishment. I’ve always been closer to the players.”
Davis’ team hasn’t always been called the Oakland Raiders. After suing the NFL for attempting to block the franchise’s relocation, the maverick owner moved the Raiders to Los Angeles for 13 years. That set a precedent for the Colts, Cardinals and Rams to do their own relocating. In 1995, Davis moved his team back to Oakland.
Although he became successful on the business side of football, Davis didn’t lose touch with game strategy and talent evaluation. He has boasted that he can watch somebody for 10 seconds and tell if he’s a player.
“If horse racing were Al’s business, he would love those yearling auctions where they walk each horse out for everybody to see them,” former Raiders coach John Madden wrote in his autobiography. “Al would pick more stakes winners than anybody else. Al might even find a way to talk to the horse.”
The younger of Louis and Rose Davis’ two sons, Al was born on July 4, 1929, in Brockton, Mass. The family moved to Brooklyn, N.Y., where Al’s father became a prosperous clothing manufacturer. Both parents were strict disciplinarians. “If you came home from a game and had lost or played badly, there was just no room for it,” older brother Jerry said. “Second place was nowhere.”
At Erasmus Hall High School, Davis was a reserve on the basketball team. After one semester at Wittenberg College in Ohio, he transferred to Syracuse, where he waited on tables in the cafeteria. In athletics, he was cut from the varsity football team and ended up playing jayvee football and basketball.
Davis became a regular at Syracuse’s varsity football practices, taking notes on every detail until the head coach discovered him and ordered him removed.
After graduating with a degree in English in 1950, Davis sought a football coaching position at Adelphi College in New York. Told by the head coach that there wasn’t an opening, Davis took his case to the school president and emerged with an assistant’s job. He parlayed that into the head-coaching job at Ft. Belvoir, Va., while serving in the Army. Davis then spent a year as a scout for the Baltimore Colts before returning to college football, as an assistant at The Citadel and then Southern California. In 1960, the Los Angeles Chargers hired him to work under offensive mastermind Sid Gillman as an offensive ends coach.
“Al thinks he’s the smartest guy in football,” Gillman said. “He isn’t. But he is going to be.”
Hired as head coach and general manager of the three-year-old Oakland Raiders in 1963, he took a team that had finished 1-13 the previous year to the second-best record in the eight-team AFL at 10-4. It was the biggest one-year turnaround in pro football history and the Associated Press named him Coach of the Year. After going 5-7-2 in 1964, the Raiders rebounded to 8-5-1 the next season.
In April 1966, Davis signed a four-year contract to become AFL commissioner. He moved swiftly to force a merger with the established NFL by reaching contract agreements with many of the league’s starting quarterbacks.
Davis returned to the Raiders later that year as general managing partner after buying 10 percent of the team for $18,500. In the 1967 season, the Raiders won the AFL championship before falling to the Green Bay Packers 33-14 in Super Bowl II.
One of Davis’ first big moves came after the following season, when he hired 32-year-old Madden as his head coach. Davis became the organization’s czar in 1975 after winning a court battle with co-owner Wayne Valley, who had challenged a contract Davis had signed with another co-owner that ceded Davis total authority.
In the 1976 campaign, the Raiders won their seventh division title in eight years, capping their 13-1 regular season with a 32-14 victory over the Minnesota Vikings in Super Bowl XI. In 1979, Madden retired and Davis hired Tom Flores as his replacement.
Davis had family issues on his mind later that year, when his wife, Carol, suffered a heart attack and sunk into a coma. Although she was given little chance of surviving, Davis stayed for weeks by her bedside. Carol recovered.
Davis failed in his efforts to get luxury suites added to Oakland-Alameda Coliseum in 1980 and, despite 12 straight seasons of sellouts, announced plans to move the team to Los Angeles. This started a chain of litigation: Oakland sued Davis, who in turn sued the NFL for blocking the move.
On the field, the Raiders went 11-5 behind quarterback Jim Plunkett and made the playoffs as a wild-card team. They beat the Philadelphia Eagles 27-10 in Super Bowl XV, with Davis receiving the trophy from his foe in court, NFL Commissioner Pete Rozelle.
After one more season in Oakland, Davis won his court case, which included $35 million in damages (he settled for $18 million), and moved the team to Los Angeles. The Raiders wasted little time bringing a championship to Southern California, beating the Washington Redskins 38-9 in Super Bowl XVIII in 1984.
Davis further alienated his colleagues two years later by testifying on behalf of the USFL in that league’s antitrust suit against the NFL. His testimony didn’t help; the league folded.
In 1987, Davis helped create a national phenomenon when he used a seventh-round draft choice to select running back Bo Jackson, who had spurned the Tampa Bay Buccaneers the year before after they made him the first choice in the draft. At the time, Jackson was playing baseball for the Kansas City Royals. Davis persuaded Jackson to play for the Raiders by allowing him to continue in baseball.
Flores’ nine-year reign ended with a 5-10 season in 1987 and Davis named Mike Shanahan head coach. Ever the control freak, Davis allowed Shanahan to select only three of his 12 assistants. Shanahan lasted 20 games before Davis replaced him with Art Shell, who broke a head-coaching color barrier that had existed in the NFL since the 1920s.
Upset with the lack of progress in proposed renovations to the LA Coliseum, Davis began negotiating for a return to Oakland in 1990, but eventually signed a four-year lease extension to remain in Los Angeles.
In 1995, Davis brought the Raiders back to northern California after receiving assurances improvements would be made to Oakland-Alameda Coliseum. He gained the approval of NFL owners by one vote, avoiding another court case.
But the team that returned hardly reminded fans of the perennial championship contender that left. The Raiders had five straight non-winning seasons before winning three consecutive AFC West titles from 2000-2002.
Now into his fifth decade with the Raiders, Davis remains as active as ever in running the team. “It’s tunnel vision, a tunnel life,” he said. “I’m not really a part of society.”…Tunnel vision and a tunnel life even in death….So sad…..
October 28th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
After reading some of the above posts, I am now wondering if JC will be in Denver next year, facing us twice a year. He’d be an upgrade over anything they have had this year.
October 28th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
Raiders will get rid of Palmer and put JC in as soon as he’s healthy.
We will then release Palmer, and take the salary loss.
Most important thing is Mistic1 not having his feelings hurt.
October 28th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
No way… hes guaranteed 5 million next season.. palmer stays… jc goes…. forget about misty eyes feelings!!
October 28th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Sully.. you put the dumbest posts bro… Why?? You just like getting a rise outta people.. you hoinestly cant be that dumb.. could you??
October 28th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
Raiders need to resign Mr. Jason Campbell. Make him the highest paid backup in the NFL plus incentives for any games he starts, finishes, stats, etc.
Raiders would be set at quarterback for the next three years:
Palmer
Campbell
Pryor
October 28th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
No way campbell stays with raiders.. why would he?? He will be offered more money and a starting qb position with atleast 5 other teams… i wish he would stay.. he would be an awesome backup.. but thats justa fantasy!!
October 28th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
I doubt Campbell has as many options to be a starter as people on here believe.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Al signed JC. JC will remain loyal to Al. I guarantee it.
When JC comes back, and Palmer leaves, I want everyone here to pronounce me Lord of the Manor.
If I’m wrong, I will state that I am even more pathetic than Kell.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
319. Agreed. But Campbell may not be about the money
October 28th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
322. don’t spend those kinds of picks on a guy your going to dump at the end of the season.
Palmer stays at least thru 2012. JC gets paid real money and goes to Minnesota, Titans or *gulp* Denver once they figure out Tebow is a meathead
October 28th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Campbell in his 2nd yr in the same system looked good but he’s got McNabb like flaws. Once every 70 passes or so he just freaks out and turns the ball over for no reason.
Man, I hope we get the run game cranked up so our rookie O line can protect Palmer.
October 28th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
PLUNKETT,FLORES,STABLER,BRANCH & RAY GUY should all be in the HALL
October 28th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Hall Of Fame??
The great Lester Hayes #37 belongs in the HOF. One of the greatest cover-corners in the League, and in his prime for the better part of a decade. The great Mike Haynes was greater because of Lester Hayes.
Lester Hayes and Cliff Branch should be the next two Raiders in, it’s a travesty they’re not there already.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
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October 28th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
HayesDaze37 I was there in LA througH those years I LOVED THE STICK’UM and the Judge(gimmee some dead presidents, 76,00 of ‘em)
October 28th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Absolutely….Lester The Molester should be in!But the Raider Haters always point to the fact that after the stickem was outlawed his INT’s dropped off.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Is JACK TATUM in?
October 28th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Baltimore Ravens..Miami Dolphins… Denver Broncos..Minnesota Vikings…Seattle Seahawks… I cant believe certain people here could be so naive and stupid to think Jason Campbell doesn’t have as many options… He would be an upgrade at the qb position for all the above mentioned teams..
October 28th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Albert Bigelo Puss that was HILARIOUS yesterday when you banded together with fellow blog punching bag Nob Raider for support and comfort!
I know it gets tough when I slap you two minions around, but holding another sucker’s hand only makes it easier for your master, Beeecham, to abuse you.
However, it makes for wonderful comedy. So keep up the great work!
DON’T BELIEVE THE HYPE, RECTIFY THE GAME
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when exactly did u “slap me around”? u punk. u have never remotely said a thing that constituted “slapping me around”. u never say anything but how u “slap me around”. but u never actually do it. little b*tch. ur boat is pathetic. ur a gimp wannabe. i post ur stupid website and yelp reviews to show everyone what a liar u are, and u always run and hide. go stuff cheetos in ur mouth while u wear a leather gimp mask and stained underwear, while jerking off to s&m websites. moron.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Back then, getting 76,000 dead presidents was enough motivation for a future hall of famer. Hard to believe today, huh. Sorry ,He already had 1 ring , working on two. Hey Sullen 1 , remember those days?
October 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
334 referring to to the one and only LESTER HAYES
October 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
sullivan–u really think the raiders will dump palmer? are u that ignorant?
October 28th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Rob…. Im convinced that MR just wants to agitate to get a response… Your telling me the raiders could be so stupid as to spend away two 1st round picks for a guy were releasing after half a season?? lol… He’s just trying to get attention.. the poor guy needs help.. earlier today he was asking for help getting a date!! lmao… tells you how pathetic he is..
October 28th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
Jc will be a brown next year, put that in your pipe and smoke it
October 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
oak.. thats another team that can you a legitimate qb like campbell.. your right.. its a fantasy for people to think he would take less money and stay with the raiders as a backup…
October 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Is beecham really the party boat guy with no bz’’s and a horrible blues band that he plays drums for because the reggae band told him he wasn’t good enough for.Just curious, because I turned down the job. Not the drums , I play guitar.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
*that can use
October 28th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
I like colt mccoy but id rather have Jc than colt even tho he is stil very raw but i just don’t see him being a legitimately starter
October 28th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
No way in hell Baltimore would take Campbell over Flacco.Miami will get their QB in the draft.Minnesota spent an early 1st this year on a QB.If Campbell is so highly thought of why has everyone said it was such a good move getting Palmer?The rest of the league doesn’t value him as much as Raider fans.To be honest.it wouldn’t be too bad if he went to the donkeys.He isn’t the greatest under pressure and that is one thing we can do-apply pressure.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
Campbell will either be on another team, starting as a stop-gap for a team that drafts a young QB…or with the Raiders as a worthy backup…or with a team like the Browns, fighting to start.
The right contract, and JC would stay right here.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:52 pm
You might rather have JC over McCoy,but would M.Holmgren?I doubt it.Do you guys honestly believe the Rat would have traded him to us if he had other offers?
October 28th, 2011 at 11:56 pm
That was a different JC.
October 28th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
To us,but not to the rest of the league.I agree that someone might sign him as a stop-gap,but I don’t think he’ll get top $.As you said the best offer just might be ours.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Some patience, and professional handling, meant a ton to JC’s progress. Every team in the League saw what we did with him here, and what he did with his chance.
But…I don’t see him getting more than another 2-year deal anywhere, and it won’t be for $4-Mill+ per year, either.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:04 am
If Campbell insists on being a starter, he might find himself out of the NFL.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:06 am
JC doesn’t sound like he is returning.Go to CSNBAYAREA.com and check his interviews out. It would have to be a damn good offer to make him stay.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:10 am
Exactly,Hayes,and that is my point.It took him 2 years to get a total grasp of our offense.Will some team be willing to give him that much time if they sign him to fill in until their young guy is ready?
October 29th, 2011 at 12:18 am
I hope Palmer doesn’t take as long as JC did to learn the offense.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:20 am
Rob_raider Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
sullivan–u really think the raiders will dump palmer? are u that ignorant?
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The guy was clearly joking. Look at his posts with Misty Eyes earlier in the day.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:22 am
Poor Misty Eyes. Whatever will he do? Will he jump ship to whichever team picks up JC, much like the Montana fans? Hue Jackson just slapped him with some get smart and he doesn’t know what to do with himself.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:25 am
TSR,that is what he does.If you say it’s white he’ll say it is black.Then a while later if someone says it’s black,he’ll say it’s white.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Campbell is OUT.
That became clear with the Palmer trade. You don’t give up a first and second round pick unless you think you’re obtaining a franchise type QB.
Even if Palmer stinks it up or gets injured, Raids will try to groom TP as the heir apparent.
Campbell might find employment as a backup somewhere, possibly even as a starter for a bottom tier team in desperate need of a QB.
One way to gauge a free agent’s worth is to ask if he’s a guy you would worry about facing.
Jason Campbell isn’t a QB that I would worry about facing.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:28 am
It isn’t necessarily JC per se.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:32 am
Ravenaider –
For a guaranteed tailgate experience for a visitor…go to the Raiders. c om web site, and check out the fan clubs page.
There are plenty of official clubs that tailgate every home game, and they’ll welcome you with open arms. Probably donate a small stipend to help cover expenses, and you’ll be treated like family.
One of the largest, and most active, clubs is the Vaca-Valley Booster Club…and they have a tailgate every home game. Just call a club up, see if they can take an out-of-towner…you’ll likely hear, “Well, hell yeah, come on over!”
October 29th, 2011 at 12:36 am
That’s it for me…
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:38 am
Any time is a great time to be a Raider fan.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:49 am
Lefty – are you referring to Sullivan or Misty Eyes?
October 29th, 2011 at 12:51 am
I’m honestly starting to consider Misty Eyes as a troll. In fact, I’m convinced. Anyone spewing propaganda that stinky has to be a troll. I mean, you’d think JC was some kind of Hall of Famer how he talks about him. That crackerjack is either a troll or related to Soup.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:04 am
i feel bad for campbell. he is a decent qb but he’s not really a guy for a team who wants a qb of the future, nor is he a guy who a tea would get if they thought they were a qb away from the playoffs. he’ll be 30 soon and he really fits the mold of either a stopgap while a young guy learns, and right now those choices are few, or as a good backup. too bad. he had kinda found his niche here. he was doing pretty good. but because of his age, the injury really derailed his career.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:05 am
Purvisman Says:
October 28th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Is beecham really the party boat guy with no bz’’s and a horrible blues band that he plays drums for because the reggae band told him he wasn’t good enough for.Just curious, because I turned down the job. Not the drums , I play guitar.
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that’s him alright. if he was just trying to be funny, i’d leave him alone, but he really acts like he thinks people will buy his nonsense, and then he has the nerve to call people out who can bury him.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:09 am
TSR-355-Sully.Mistic is so overboard he is hilarious.He just wants our QB to have a certain characteristic and Palmer doesn’t fit his profile.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:17 am
I think I know which characteristic you’re referring to.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:15 am
Thanks for the info hayes!
October 29th, 2011 at 2:40 am
I’ve finished another song re-write.
Click my name.
October 29th, 2011 at 4:10 am
It is a great day to be a Raider fan, is it not? Shout out, supporters. Apologies to Hayesdaze.
October 29th, 2011 at 5:25 am
I think Campbell comes back as our 2nd stringer. I doubt he gets any big offers to be a guaranteed starter and I think at this point of his career he feels comfortable in a system for the first time. Plus, he knows how quickly a guy can get taken out and his number could be called at any moment. Pryor may or may not be the future of the Raiders but next year, and probably the year after, will still be too early to tell.
My guess, JC re-signs a 2 year 3 Mil or so contract.
October 29th, 2011 at 7:38 am
RIP Axel Axgil
October 29th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Post 370
that would be good for the team. To have two capable QB’s
that’s a good recipe!!
Oh an earlier post spoke about players from the seventies an early eighties.
People not knowing who they were.
This players are who were the team when r8dercain started watching the team in1976
I was six yrs old.
My grandpa worked at naval air station in alameda
the raiders used to practice there he told me lots of stories about them.
By the time I was six an understood football I was hooked.
Been watching the raiders play EVERY Sunday for 35yrs.
An won’t stop til I’m dead.
F’k all bootlickers an or trolls in here that question my raiderism an loyalty to the team.
Excepted or not r8dercain is a fan an here to stay.
B$tches!!!!
October 29th, 2011 at 7:50 am
Carl Weathers Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 5:25 am
I think Campbell comes back as our 2nd stringer. I doubt he gets any big offers to be a guaranteed starter and I think at this point of his career he feels comfortable in a system for the first time. Plus, he knows how quickly a guy can get taken out and his number could be called at any moment. Pryor may or may not be the future of the Raiders but next year, and probably the year after, will still be too early to tell.
My guess, JC re-signs a 2 year 3 Mil or so contract.
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Campbell is about to get married, so he’d have to move again , if he is picked up via Free Agency…so that could materialize…he’d still be a backup (Minnesota, Miami, Denver, Seattle) are my guesses…or whomever misses out on the Andrew Luck sweepstakes.
October 29th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Campbell should remain with the Raiders and take the backup role because Palmer has way too many injuries to last a full season. Specially as Palmer lacks the type of mobility to avoid getting whacked by defenders.
Campbell might get a call as a starter with another team, but it’s improbable. Of the teams that are desperate for starting QBs, Miami, Denver, Seattle, or Washington (he’s not going back there) I’m sure they’re looking at Andrew Luck or drafting somebody. Campbell might get a temporary starting gig, waiting for the young QBs to develop, but that doesn’t give him any job security.
Now Soup is just a journeyman QB, nothing great, who was playing over his head this season perhaps looking at getting a long term contract from the Raiders, he was playing with a lot heart.
My question is what is the prototypical QB of the future? A Cam Newton or an Andrew Luck? Can Pryor be looked at as the future of the Raiders? or Is Pryor’s future as a QB, as many “experts” have suggested, not promising?
If HueJax believes that the “time is now,” and that investing the Raiders’ future in Palmer will pay dividends, what happens after Palmer? or what happens if Palmer doesn’t pay up (as I believe)? Are the Raiders back to facing a QB merry go round?
October 29th, 2011 at 8:18 am
Good Morning Raider Nation!!
October 29th, 2011 at 9:01 am
Zopi says that soup should remain a Raider.Will not happen for these reasons.He is one of about ten starting QB’s in the 32tts (nfl as it is today).4 and 2 this year
and had real chances to be 6 and 0.He lost the 2 by himself.The other 22 QB’s could not manage or are too young to be able to put their teams in this position.
There are 22 teams out there lining up to sign him give or take a Cam Newsome or two.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Scuse me ^Newton.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:03 am
Sign at USC-Stanford pregame
Andrew Luck wears skinny jeans and underneath that sign
Wheres my baseball
What the hell do those mean?
October 29th, 2011 at 9:06 am
The analysis of the quarterback situation in Oakland is one that is skewed basically by race rather han the facts. The Raiders are not better under Palmer, they simply would have had no chance with Boller at the starter. In effect without taking the huge gamble with Palmer, the Raiders season was effectively over.
An objective comparative analysis of Campbell vs Palmer indicates that Campbell has clearly been a more effective quarterback. Palmer is a qb who will put up numbers but will make enough mistakes to negate the gaudy stats.
This season Jason Cambell won every game he was supposed to win. In the Buffalo Loss, JC threw for over 300 yards with no turnovers (please dont use the int at the end of the game) and the team scored 34 points. The Buffalo lost was clearly on the defense and one that the Raiders would have lost if Jesus ws playing QB. New England was a bad game however, lets get real NE is a better team and they simply moved the ball at will. To hold the NE game as a barometer due to the 2 int’s is ludicris (even Brady had a 4 int game).
In the final analysis JC finished the year with a 4-2 reord as a starter (should have been 5-1) and his replacements threw 2 times as many ints in one game as he threw in 6. Lastly, would the fool on this blog who tried to intimate that Tim Tebow is on the same planet as Cam Newton as a Quarterbak please stop blogging.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:23 am
There are only about 6 to 10 real QB’s in the league at any given time.All the rest of us just have to make do.
Andrew Luck is one of those 6 to 10.Ironic that the kid
will go down the same route as the last one did.Mr P
Manning.Nfl history would have been radically different
had donkey John pulled on a Silver and Black sweater instead of that ugly orange and white.Almost happened…
but I guess the lure of all those used cars…as opposed to playing in front of all those black folk in Oakland.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:29 am
#379 perfect!!! well almost…still feel that we are better than Boston and the Buffalo game still defies any
laws of physics.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:33 am
379.lenman Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 9:06 am
The analysis of the quarterback situation in Oakland is one that is skewed basically by race rather han the facts. The Raiders are not better under Palmer, they simply would have had no chance with Boller at the starter. In effect without taking the huge gamble with Palmer, the Raiders season was effectively over.
An objective comparative analysis of Campbell vs Palmer indicates that Campbell has clearly been a more effective quarterback. Palmer is a qb who will put up numbers but will make enough mistakes to negate the gaudy stats.
This season Jason Cambell won every game he was supposed to win. In the Buffalo Loss, JC threw for over 300 yards with no turnovers (please dont use the int at the end of the game) and the team scored 34 points. The Buffalo lost was clearly on the defense and one that the Raiders would have lost if Jesus ws playing QB. New England was a bad game however, lets get real NE is a better team and they simply moved the ball at will. To hold the NE game as a barometer due to the 2 int’s is ludicris (even Brady had a 4 int game).
In the final analysis JC finished the year with a 4-2 reord as a starter (should have been 5-1) and his replacements threw 2 times as many ints in one game as he threw in 6. Lastly, would the fool on this blog who tried to intimate that Tim Tebow is on the same planet as Cam Newton as a Quarterbak please stop blogging.
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Damn! Who’s the new guy? Impressive.
October 29th, 2011 at 9:43 am
BTW the 32tts is my reference to the salary cap or the
anyone but Eddie cap.League mandated 32 Teams That Suck!
Fv@k the niners but I can’t think of any better games
than the NFC Championship games of the 80’s.Cept the 70
to 74 AFC Championship games.Difference between Bradshaw
and a railroad spike?…the railroad spike couldn’t get
back up and do it over!!!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Tashard Choice cut by the Cowboys… McFadden insurance?
October 29th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Tebow is a really bad injury waiting to happen.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Someone else is using my name, btw. I’ll let you guys be smart enough to figure out which comments are mine and which are the imposters. I don’t have time for this little game.
Anyhow,
I have a question about Tebow. Is he even in the NFL if it’s not for his boisterous religious stance, and our media’s desperation to manufacture a hero of his social background and religion? Take a close look at his numbers, and try to imagine him being drafted to the NFL otherwise.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am
#384 what perchance is Mr M.Bush? Decoration? We have
RB’s up the wazoo.Has Mr M. Bush fumbled in recent history?Stout would be a serious understatement.We have more and better RB’s playing the FB position than most
teams have running backs.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Anyone that says that Palmer is not an upgrade at the qb position from Campbell should have their head examined!! …. Palmer is a two time probowler…. how many does jc have!??…. rest my case!!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Yep I would love to be defending Mr M. Tonga against the
run or pass….Not.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am
This team doesn’t need any more new players. At some point you have to develop what you have.
Tashard Choice? What has he ever done? Backup….over Bush?
sit down
October 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am
386.Sullivan44 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Someone else is using my name, btw. I’ll let you guys be smart enough to figure out which comments are mine and which are the imposters. I don’t have time for this little game.
Anyhow,
I have a question about Tebow. Is he even in the NFL if it’s not for his boisterous religious stance, and our media’s desperation to manufacture a hero of his social background and religion? Take a close look at his numbers, and try to imagine him being drafted to the NFL otherwise.
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MR, your best post this year, very good observation, and I agree with you.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Fact!!! Carson Palmer is one of those 6 to 10 QB’s and is
still able to get out of bed by himself in the morning.
Please name the last one of those we had.No …Gannon was not one.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:21 am
As for Carson Palmer….
Remember, this league judges QBs by wins and losses…not statistics.
Carson Palmer is by no means a slam dunk….not for sacrificing your right to draft a top young prospect for the next two years.
Has he had good personal seasons…yes….but how many good team seasons has he had.
As we know all too painfully well, leadership from the QB position is as important as stats.
I think Palmer is a good QB…but don’t think everyone is just going sit here and gush about a guy that for all the good words…was still available for trade 1 week before the trade deadline
October 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am
MR,
Tebow is in the league because he demonstrated to be an exceptional leader down there at Florida.
I don’t hate on the kid….why does everyone have to fit a standard profile.
The kid likes to pray to God….big deal.
Just like ALL QBs, he will be judged by his ability to win football games…all the religious b.s won’t matter.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Sullivan no one really reads your posts anyway so why should we care if someone is posing as you?
October 29th, 2011 at 10:25 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:19 am
This team doesn’t need any more new players. At some point you have to develop what you have.
Tashard Choice? What has he ever done? Backup….over Bush?
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If McFadden is down for an extended period of time, that’s one less player the Raiders have. Jones and Bush are options, but Bush hasn’t been nearly as effective as usual lately, and he’s a much different player than McFadden. Jury is still out on what Jones is capable of. Having only two healthy running backs on the roster is asking for trouble. Raiders already brought in a couple RBs to try out so obviously it’s an area where the team is examining their options, as they well should.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
SnB, Palmer put’s us in the best position to win, I’m in. There are no other QB’s available to help us. Let him get up to Raider speed, and give him the chance to succede, we are out of options!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Maybe someone else has covered this, but what was Al Davis doing at the Oakland airport Hilton at 245 am?
October 29th, 2011 at 10:27 am
YA,
Bush has been more than effective…and Taiwan Jones is here to provide the speed element.
The loss against KC was due to the QBs throwing 6 interceptions with two being returned for touchdowns
October 29th, 2011 at 10:28 am
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
SnB, Palmer put’s us in the best position to win, I’m in. There are no other QB’s available to help us. Let him get up to Raider speed, and give him the chance to succede, we are out of options
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I agree with you and I am watching with hope that this comes through.
But we Raider fans have a tendancy to think that any new guy is going to be this savior and hero of the franchise….without asking ourselves some serious questions about why said superstar was available in a league that places a mega premium on elite QBs
October 29th, 2011 at 10:30 am
As we can see, DMAC is always goin to miss about a quarter of a season with injury.
You need a legit number 2 back that can carry the ball 20x or more
October 29th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Lenman..
yeah Palmer has 3INTs, he had 4 days to learn our offense, had it been Campbell he would have had the 8!
Furthermore, 2 of Palmers INTs was not on him, but Denarius Moore, not playing proper WR-play!
so yeah to sum up, Palmer has ONE INT which he is to blame for! and knowing 5-10% of the playbook, thats rather good..
Palmer will light the sky next sunday!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:32 am
After we start going to the playoffs… I can see all these same people saying we could have gone to the playoffs with Campbell. ..LOL well that’s bull sh!t.. Palmer is a very good qb.. and he will prove it to all the nay Sayers… Palmer never had a Guy like dmac in Cincinnati. .. never!! Even last year when Carson threw for over 4000 yrds. .. 26 touch Downs and 20 ints. .. the Bengals were near the bottom in rushing g offense.
I’m glad we made the trade.. he can make all the throws… he has a strong..and he will be a good leader for this corp of young receivers… no more bombs downfield that the wide receiver out runs!!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:33 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:21 am
As for Carson Palmer….
Remember, this league judges QBs by wins and losses…not statistics.
Carson Palmer is by no means a slam dunk….not for sacrificing your right to draft a top young prospect for the next two years.
Has he had good personal seasons…yes….but how many good team seasons has he had.
As we know all too painfully well, leadership from the QB position is as important as stats.
I think Palmer is a good QB…but don’t think everyone is just going sit here and gush about a guy that for all the good words…was still available for trade 1 week before the trade deadline
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All they had to do was shake loose a couple of 1st round draft picks and they could have had Mr.Palmer.All this guy knows is win…up til the point
where he was picked 1st by the Mike Browns…team that’s raison d’etre is to be a tax writeoff for some
scumbag offshore sweatshop based manufacting industry.
Hell yeah Al would done the same thing only would have
done it a whole lot cheaper and with much more pizazze…only cos he was Al.
main
October 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Lenman..
ohh and how bad was Campbell last season, yeah he was nearly alright this season, but he have had mor than a year to study the playbook, in fact a playbook he knew from when Saunders was in Washington..
Campbell is a sub-par QB, and thats a fact! he get scared in the REDzone..
October 29th, 2011 at 10:34 am
400.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:28 am
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
SnB, Palmer put’s us in the best position to win, I’m in. There are no other QB’s available to help us. Let him get up to Raider speed, and give him the chance to succede, we are out of options
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I agree with you and I am watching with hope that this comes through.
But we Raider fans have a tendancy to think that any new guy is going to be this savior and hero of the franchise….without asking ourselves some serious questions about why said superstar was available in a league that places a mega premium on elite QBs
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He was not happy with the surrounding antics of the teamates he was forced to play with. Palmer has ethics, he can lead this team in more ways than one. I say give him the chance, he WILL lead us!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Bush has been more than effective…and Taiwan Jones is here to provide the speed element.
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I’m not sure he has been. He’s been less than impressive in short yardage and goal line situations, which in the past have been his bread and butter.
Regardless, if the Raiders are bringing in backs to work out, then clearly it’s a position where they feel they need depth. Choice might be a nice fit because he wouldn’t cost a lot, and he’s shown the ability to be a solid #3 back who can be a change-of-pace guy when necessary. Seems like exactly what the Raiders need.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:41 am
He was not happy with the surrounding antics of the teamates he was forced to play with. Palmer has ethics, he can lead this team in more ways than one. I say give him the chance, he WILL lead us!
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Perhaps that’s true…but he could also have been contributing to the problem himself behind the scenes.
The point is Raider fans irritate me when they annoint someone elses discards as the next legend just because Jim Plunkett did it 25 years ago.
I don’t what Palmer is going to do….and neither does anyone else.
I guess I just have a wait and see approach.
But I do agree that for THIS YEAR the move was absolutely necessary because Hue Jackson didn’t prepare a credible backup quarterback.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:45 am
YA,
As with the QB getting too much blame/credit…the same applies to running backs.
The limiting factor with Bush is that he is for the most part all his runs are between the tackles.
DMAC and Taiwan Jones are a threat to run wide.
So, when you line up Bush near the goal line, part of the equation is the oline preventing clean open shots on the running back. Those hits by Johnson were downhill hits. MEaning no one got in his way and allowed him a clean shot on the runnning back.
Bush is not Natrone Means or Christian Okoye, but he will knock someone back if they don’t have leverage.
I don’t think a couple bad running plays negates the fact that Bush bring a running game that opposing defenses have to respect
October 29th, 2011 at 10:47 am
And remember, it is NOT EASY to just replace running backs or wide receivers…or any position for that matter.
The Raiders didn’t have a good running for most of the past decade…and the receivers ARE JUST NOW starting to show some competence.
The answer to building and sustaining a strong team is with young players that are developed in house
October 29th, 2011 at 10:49 am
SnB, and watching Pryor on the sidelines, I’m not holding out much hope. Hue will righten out our ship, we lost Al, Campbell, Sho, Seamour, Seabass, it’s uphill battle for our year. I’ll give him the doubt, give him the chance, we have little alternatives, he is a leader, I’m in!
October 29th, 2011 at 10:52 am
g’day gentlemen, ladies,
40 days in the desert leads to the understanding that words are seldom necessary and usually distracting.
boiling it down…RIP Al, acquiring Curry for nothing is outstanding and adding an actual prime QB in Carson is tremendous.
debate all you wish ’bout Palmer but the man was smart enough to go all in to get out of Cincinnati, Ohio.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:54 am
It was his home away from home…He spent a lot of time there the last 20 years…He did all of his film study and evaluations there…..His health prevented him from traveling even for shorter distances, as he always wanted to be close to his players and the team…Mr Davis was a players owner the last of a, now, non existent breed……………….It’s so very evident if you talked to any player that loved him…………He legacy is already forgotten by some and replaced with racial division and hatred….Something he detested and fought his whole life….He would be saddened to know the the very fans that loved his team would be torn by questions of race instead of judging them for there actions….He was a champion for equality long before it was fashionable and his actions were a testimony to that……
October 29th, 2011 at 10:54 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/10/29/urban-meyer-alex-smith-tim-tebow-got-blamed-for-bad-teams/
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Jamarcus agrees with you Urban.
October 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Kirk Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Maybe someone else has covered this, but what was Al Davis doing at the Oakland airport Hilton at 245 am?
Because thats where he was staying?
I am pretty sure he wasnt partying with hookers, blow and Charlie
October 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am
I like Hue Jackson too. But the truth is that the Raiders have no backup QB. I was hoping to see Pryor out there against KC before Palmer.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Hue had to the risk. Al always took risks. The team is ready to win right now with DMAC. All we really needed was a top ten QB. In three to four years we may have lost guys to FA.
Its all or nothing for the next two-three years with CP.
Beast year ever!!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:04 am
The answer to building and sustaining a strong team is with young players that are developed in house
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So with McFadden injured, that is:
- Bush
- Jones
Need another warm body at the very least. Carrying only two healthy running backs is asking for trouble. The Raiders are obviously concerned with their depth at the position since they’re bringing in running backs to look at.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:04 am
I’ll tell you what…if Hue Jackson didn’t have history with Palmer I would have been against the move.
I say this because the 1st question I thought of was why didn’t Miami, Seattle, Denver, Arizona or Washington offer Cincy two 1st round picks for Palmer at the beginning of the year?
Those are the “what’s up” questions I ask myself.
Hue does have history and he is willing to stake the future on him so I am in for the move.
Hue has been mostly right than wrong so far this year
October 29th, 2011 at 11:06 am
Plunk played more games hurt, than healthy. A true leader, the cream rises to the top, and so will Carson, print it!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Plunketthead Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Hue had to the risk. Al always took risks. The team is ready to win right now with DMAC. All we really needed was a top ten QB. In three to four years we may have lost guys to FA.
Its all or nothing for the next two-three years with CP.
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True enough…the question some of us are asking is if Carson Palmer is still a top 10 QB.
Also, save your post somewhere. Going all in many years ago led to the worst 8 year stretch in NFL history.
So, regardless of the lack of picks, the Raiders have an obligation to figure out a way to keep the pipeline of GOOD talent flowing
October 29th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Watching Spartans/bugeaters. When a player reaches out with the ball and it crosses the plane its a TD.
However I say if you lose the ball in doing that then it should be a fumble.
My memory is shot. Has that rule always been that way or was there a time when it would have been a fumble?
Not to mention the crazy rule about catching it in the end zone and having to hold on to the ball when you dont have to do it as a runner.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am
but don’t think everyone is just going sit here and gush about a guy that for all the good words…was still available for trade 1 week before the trade deadline
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He wasn’t “available” at all.
The owner refused to trade the guy.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:14 am
True enough…the question some of us are asking is if Carson Palmer is still a top 10 QB.
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With this team, he will be.
You have to understand that Palmer is a PIECE to this puzzle. DMAC, the D, and STs are also pieces to the puzzle.
Palmer is not taking this team anywhere by himself.
The D is not taking this team anywhere by itself.
Same with Dmac.
Everything working together gets us realy far though.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Palmer puts us in the best position to win, there is no list of Pro-Bowl QB’s available to us. He and Hue have chemistry, and will lead this team. Options are zero at this point, we saw that on Sunday. Carson, learn the book, and preach on Sundays!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:17 am
YA,
Dallas just waived Choice.
I’d like to see Stefon Johnson get a look.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am
Jhill,
I don’t think anything is as simple as it seems. Those YOUNG receivers still have work to do. DHB appears to have figured it out…but Jacoby Ford and Denarious Moore have work to do.
Top 10 QB….I have also read on this blog elite….
That’s saying a lot.
Look, the deal had to be made because Hue Jackson had no backup QB plan. Boller is worthless and I am starting to wonder about Pryor given that they didn’t even give him a legit snap against KC.
I think Palmer is a good QB, I have to see if he will be a GREAT QB….there is a difference
October 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am
SnB I agree however it is not as easy as it seems. Without a brady/peyton/brees/rodgers, you will be real lucky to make a two or three year run at the playoffs. Thats seems to be about the time a team does well before FA and injuries and all your good coaches being hired away, etc. catch up to you.
The Pats, Saints and the Colts sucked untill they got hall of fame QB’s. Look at the niners and others.
If you dont have a top ten QB leading your team for the next 6 to 10 years you better jump hard every chance you get.
Just My two cents
October 29th, 2011 at 11:18 am
If Notwright is healthy, I don’t think we need to sign another back though.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:20 am
J Hill Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 11:11 am
but don’t think everyone is just going sit here and gush about a guy that for all the good words…was still available for trade 1 week before the trade deadline
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He wasn’t “available” at all.
The owner refused to trade the guy.
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Carson was available. Otherwise the Raiders couldn’t have got him.
Perhaps the owner saw that Andy Dalton is pretty good and felt the trade could be made then…
Otherwise, I am trying to understand why Seattle and other teams weren’t in there making an as big or bigger deal than Hue
October 29th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Top 10 QB….I have also read on this blog elite….
That’s saying a lot.
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That is saying a lot.
He certainly has the potential to the that with the weapons he has on offense.
And it terms of wins, he has a chance to be among the elite guys because of the D and STs he has to compliment his offenese.
Put it like this…..
No way in hell we were getting Brady, Rogers, or Brees. I think of the guys left, Palmer is arguably at the top of the list.
GREAT trade!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Plunkett,
I see what you are saying. I really do. And I support Carson Palmer. I really do.
I am just not ready to crown anybody anything until I see it.
There are very open and legit questions with Carson Palmer. There would be open questions ANYTIME a QB is available on the market.
We also have to hope that Palmer is a winner. We don’t know that yet…hell we didn’t really know that about JC either…
with the huge price in top picks paid, Raider fan can’t be happy with “a little bit better” than JC…..Palmer and Hue have to be talked about in the same circles as Brees/Payton, Brady/Belichek and even Rogers in GB.
You don’t trade two top picks for a little bit better than average.
And the bar amongst Oakland fans when it comes to free agents playing to their pay is quite low in my opinion
October 29th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Otherwise, I am trying to understand why Seattle and other teams weren’t in there making an as big or bigger deal than Hue
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They were.
But they were REPEATEDLY told that he was not available.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:25 am
J Hill speaks the truth. We have a chance with Carson, otherwise, the last 8 years. I’m in!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:26 am
True Jhill,
Cause we sold out our ability to add a starter in the draft for the next two years….although I am keenly aware there is never a sure thing.
Just rarely do teams do much after trading top picks away for veterans as a consistent practice.
I could be wrong….
October 29th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Palmer has to be better to the QB position than Wimbley has been to the linebacker position.
He can’t just be a nice player….
October 29th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Fact of the matter is the deal is done, and Palmer is our QB for the next 5 years minimum.
Backup plan is Pryor.
It is what it is.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:27 am
I guess I am hoping that we land a truly elite QB with this trade and not just another guy
October 29th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Well, we found out why Pryor was not a 1st round pick…..AFter having the playbook in his hands for two months…Hue Jax still couldn’t put him on the field
October 29th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Cause we sold out our ability to add a starter in the draft for the next two years….
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I disagree.
Give me 2 starting positions that would be open for these rookies?
RB, WR, CB, S, and LB are wrapped up for a while.
Houston is a DT waiting to take over.
I don’t see a real need for those 2 draft picks that outweighed the potential of what we could get at QB.
As you say, the draft wouls have been a risk too, but there is no way in heck we would’ve got a QB of that caliber with either of those picks.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Pryor needs to grow up fast. And man up fast. Keep his posse away from him, think JR, and he has a chance. He has large obsticals in his immediate future.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Palmer has to be better to the QB position than Wimbley has been to the linebacker position.
He can’t just be a nice player….
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Disagree again, SnB.
Sorry mayne.
If Palmer is “nice” with his game, this offense will be top 5 or better.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:36 am
860,
Pryor has Hue and Saunders, not frickin Tommy Cable. I don’t think there is a chance in hell he goes Jamarcus on us.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am
442.J Hill Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Palmer has to be better to the QB position than Wimbley has been to the linebacker position.
He can’t just be a nice player….
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Disagree again, SnB.
Sorry mayne.
If Palmer is “nice” with his game, this offense will be top 5 or better.
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This can be done this season, not 2 years from now with a Rookie QB choice. We will get it done this year, we are out of options!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:37 am
415.Plunketthead Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Kirk Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:26 am
Maybe someone else has covered this, but what was Al Davis doing at the Oakland airport Hilton at 245 am?
Because thats where he was staying?
I am pretty sure he wasnt partying with hookers, blow and Charlie
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Why would he be staying at the airport Hilton?
October 29th, 2011 at 11:38 am
J, he is a kid. Watch him on the sidelines. Got to get Brass Ones real soon, IMHO!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Sorry, here’s the answer from ESPN….
He died at the Oakland Airport Hilton, where he lived during much of the football season.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:41 am
Jhill,
The Raiders at some point are going to have to stop paying premium prices to rent a player for a few years.
Houston got Matt Schaub for a 2nd round pick.
Chicago also spent two 1st round picks and third for Cutler…..However, Cutler was 26 at the time of the trade.
WE gotta get elite play if we want to get over the top
October 29th, 2011 at 11:41 am
I don’t have a problem with his youthful exuberance.
Does he know the playbook, can he make the throws?
That’s my bottom line.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:43 am
whether any of you are ready to acknowledge it or not, the Oakland Raiders are quite a good football team now.
O-line rarely gives up a sack. Best set of RBs in football. WRs becoming dynamic. Beast of a D-line. RoMac starting to play well and Curry is a maniac at LB – Wimbley is fine. Secondary is a bit beat up, but hey…
AND the Raiders managed to stand toe-to-toe against allcomers to a 4-2 record with a very average JaSoup at QB.
the last game was what it was and won’t be seen again.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:44 am
What does that mean, SnB?
It’s all about selling the dream mayne.
Damn sitting tight and being content with a team that is “just” good.
I’ll ask you again!
What positions could we have drafted that would have given us a better chance to do big things than the trade that we made?
Jason Campbell plus what 2 guys via those draft picks equal SB dreams?
October 29th, 2011 at 11:46 am
The Hilton is where Al stayed, and the hotel the team uses as its staging base. It’s real close to work (Alameda offices)…and travel was a difficulty for Al near the end.
The Oakland Airport Hilton took great care of Al Davis, does the same for the Raiders, and for their fans.
I should get paid for that ad.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Wimbley has to play a lot better starting next Sunday! We need a healthy DMC, too! Carson Palmer needs to be ready vs. Denver.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Jhill,
I want to see a sustainable team in Oakland. One that is built to compete for a decade.
Again, for THIS YEAR the Palmer deal is a great deal.
However, I have not seen a team sustained team built through trades and free agent acquisitions.
That what my eyes are telling me.
I did not say Carson was not a good QB…I am not convinced yet…with all the question marks…that he’s a great QB
October 29th, 2011 at 11:51 am
HD37..
you sure should, if im going to Oakland I will stay there, then!
October 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am
SnB,
We have youth at EVERY position, including QB. We have young STUDS at basically every position. A nice mix of veterans to go with our youngsters.
We have a core to be good for YEARS.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Jhill,
The thing I liked about JC was that he was progressing and winning. I liked that.
If Palmer is not “much better” than JC than the deal over the medium term will be a bad one.
Because had JC not injured himself, they could keep adding good players.
As for your comment about starters…this team is not done yet at all.
Still need to see DHB sustain his performance and someone else step up and truly be a starting receiver.
O-Line has questions with Carlisle, Barnes and a left guard once Wiz moves to Center
At some point we are going to need a young DT to replace Seymour & Henderson. And if Houston moves inside like you forecast…who takes over at end.
The CB position opposite Routt is far from settled.
So, those picks that were traded away could have been put to use.
But again, if Carson is as great as many of you already believe he is…then my worries can wait another day..
But if he’s just decent…then those other holes I described above will loom large at some point soon
October 29th, 2011 at 11:57 am
I did not say Carson was not a good QB…I am not convinced yet…with all the question marks…that he’s a great QB
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You’re right, he is good. The previous QB was avg.
What does “great” mean?
I don’t need Palmer to be “great”. If Palmer is good, the TEAM will be great.
October 29th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Jhill,
You don’t become a young stud based on a good game or a good play here or there.
You gotta sustain it.
It doesn’t take much to be a projected hero to an also ran.
Ask Johnnie Lee Higgins. Or Louis Murphy (on his way out)…….
Sure there are some good young players that will be here for a while…Shaughnessy, Houston, McClain, DHB, Wiz.
After that….question marks. Those other players that I didn’t mention still have to put in a good season before we deem them not replaceable.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:00 pm
If Palmer is not “much better” than JC than the deal over the medium term will be a bad one.
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Palmer only needs to do one thing better than Campbell.
Connect on the deep ball.
JC was what, 10% on those? If Campbell can get to 40%, our offense is beyond dynamic.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Jhill,
“What does a great QB mean”
C’mon let’s not splice words or “read between the lines”
To paraphrase Judge Potter Stewart’s famous quote about what was an explicit movie/magazine…..
“I know it when I see it”
October 29th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Still need to see DHB sustain his performance and someone else step up and truly be a starting receiver.
O-Line has questions with Carlisle, Barnes and a left guard once Wiz moves to Center
At some point we are going to need a young DT to replace Seymour & Henderson. And if Houston moves inside like you forecast…who takes over at end.
The CB position opposite Routt is far from settled.
So, those picks that were traded away could have been put to use.
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With DHB, Moore, Hagan, and Ford, we are not spending a 1st rd pick on a WR the next 2 years.
Barksdale, Campbell, and Heyer will be starting for this Oline sooner than later. Good Oline prospects do not require 1st rd picks.
You have a point with the DTs, but I see Houston at the DT position we would spend a 1st rd pick on. I see Bryant as a base DE. We can get a NT in rd 2 or 3.
DVD will be a STUD corner for us for years to come. RCB is most certainly settled.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
First time since they started keeping records in 1896 that the field is covered with Snow in October in Happy Valley for the illinois/pennstate game
October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
What if there’s a general strike in Oaktown, and the service employees and others who work at the stadium join them and refuse to work the Broncos’ game. Would the NFLPA cross the picket line?
From an article on the front page:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/top-stories/ci_19217441
The epicenter of the revolution.
Whatever happens with the strike, however, a view is taking shape that while New York was the genesis of the movement, Oakland has become, as one Oakland resident tweeted, the “front line of the revolution.”
From the beginning, in fact, the protesters in Oakland set their sights high. They organized and planned for a full week before setting up their camp in the plaza. Once there, they made a point of trying to serve the needs of residents they felt the city had largely neglected — mostly the poor and homeless. But it was about more than that.
“This is a base camp for a lot of different struggles,” said John Reimann, 65, a retired Oakland carpenter and longtime union organizer who helped call for the general strike this week. “We’re trying to unite a lot of struggles that people see as separate.”
Now, that sense of collective purpose is continuing to draw in people from many sectors of society.
“There’s a radicalism in Oakland. The working people, they’re not coming to protest and then going home to watch themselves on the news; that makes it special,” said Harry Brass, 71, a self-described former radical from Berkeley. “If it stays like this, it could be the leader, Oakland could take over from New York.”
Others said Oakland, with its high unemployment rate, violent crime problems, health care disparities and foreclosure scandals, was a convenient and appropriate symbol for what was happening elsewhere in the country, and the world.
“Every community has its own Oakland,” said Marco Dondero, 61, a schoolteacher from San Mateo who had come to see Michael Moore on Friday. “The hurt and anger is all over the country. People are here for a reason. They are not going away.”
October 29th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
I’m thinking our next draft will be for D-line, we really are deep at most positions. Hurd and Sho-Nasty are from here, and Silver and Black is starting to creep in. I fly the flag every day, and get approached, signing up new fans, it’s great to be the Nation. Hue will get it done!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Jhill,
DHB is here to stay. We don’t know with Ford, Hagan or Moore….is there a second guy there that plays opposite DHB…neither of their salaries makes them players that can’t be touched.
Barksdalea and Bruce Campbell? We know nothing about them at all yet.
DVD will be a stud corner? Perhaps…but so was Chris Johnson
I am not hating on these players…there development is CRITICAL for the long-term success of this team…my only point is we still don’t know what we have and won’t until the end of the year.
Draft picks, especially top tier picks, are for bringing in starting ready youth that can develop into elite talent for years to come.
When you sell that out…you better damn well have a good alternative.
That’s all.
I am happy with the Raiders so far. Wish JC didn’t get hurt…and I acknowledge that without JC this season is over.
I just think that is more because the Raiders ignored the backup QB position (Boller is absolutely useless)then just JC getting hurt. Had they had a credible backup…I would have been for plowing through with the backup until JC got healthy.
But that wasn’t possible, so I am not upset with the pick….just the price for the trade
October 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Plunk, snowing here, lawn is covered. Me thinks cocktail time is approaching quickly!:)
October 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Zopi,
Tell the protesters to go to work on Sunday and everyday.
We don’t live in China where you have no voice in your government.
The people in this country are lazy. The key to change is in Washington and not electing people who look nice on tv but are stoooopid as all can be.
Only 50% bother to vote……stop protesting and change the system through the ballot box.
All else is a huge waste of time.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
C’mon let’s not splice words or “read between the lines”
To paraphrase Judge Potter Stewart’s famous quote about what was an explicit movie/magazine…..
“I know it when I see it”
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Precisely.
So using the I know it when I see it logic …
In no particular order …
DMac
DHB
DVD
Moore
Wiz
Veldheer
ShoNasty
Curry
RoMac
Routt
Huff
Branch
Ndukwe
Houston
Bryant
Moss
Wimbley
Reece
Tonga
Barksdale
Heyer
Chekwa
They all pass the eye test, imo.
I think we can agree that Palmer is AT LEAST as good as Campbell. In fact, I’d argue that you KNOW he is better, but just are upset about ONE of the draft picks.
This team is set up to go in the right direction.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Its nice and sunny here. But I have a feeling its gonna be a cold winter for the Northern Hempisphere
October 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
LMN — I told you something similar a few years ago…but you took your vacation elsewhere, if I recall.
Carson Palmer?? There wasn’t another Pro Bowl-proven, well-preserved, strong-armed QB, with the football mind of Carson Palmer available…not with a long relationship with Hue Jax, anyway.
It was absolutely the way to go. The draft picks Palmer cost?? The draft is a crap-shoot, and I’ll take proven Pro Bowl talent over potential almost every time. If the team’s as good as we think they are, Carson Palmer’s talent and experience can get it over the top. Not too many rookies can do that for a team.
The Defense has been showing improvement…and they can become a great Defense by the time Playoffs come around. The potent Offense is in good hands…Palmer and friends need to just get in the groove that only familiarity can bring.
This is a year to take advantage of our talents…we already know how fragile success, and players, can be.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
SnB-you lose much of your credibility in comments 416 & 427.Pryor may be the future(hope so),but he is about as ready to play the QB position in the NFL as you are.You were upset that a guy who has never taken a down as an NFL QB.only practiced for 2 weeks with the team didn’t get put in a game over a 8 year vet who at least has seen NFL defenses before.Come on,man!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
471.HayesDaze37 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
LMN — I told you something similar a few years ago…but you took your vacation elsewhere, if I recall.
Carson Palmer?? There wasn’t another Pro Bowl-proven, well-preserved, strong-armed QB, with the football mind of Carson Palmer available…not with a long relationship with Hue Jax, anyway.
It was absolutely the way to go. The draft picks Palmer cost?? The draft is a crap-shoot, and I’ll take proven Pro Bowl talent over potential almost every time. If the team’s as good as we think they are, Carson Palmer’s talent and experience can get it over the top. Not too many rookies can do that for a team.
The Defense has been showing improvement…and they can become a great Defense by the time Playoffs come around. The potent Offense is in good hands…Palmer and friends need to just get in the groove that only familiarity can bring.
This is a year to take advantage of our talents…we already know how fragile success, and players, can be.
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Best knowledgeable post written in here in a long time!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Dam SnB, Thats what I keep saying and people look at me like Im nuts, actually what I say is the 99% should be angry with all the yahoos in the D of C. Thats where change should be. The D of C sold out America and the middle class to the new world order.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Look, just trading top picks every year comes with it great risk.
Otherwise, that’s all any team would do.
We needed Palmer because Boller is atrocious and Pryor is a 5 year project.
If Boller could play…the right move would have been to eek it out till Campbell could get ready.
But that wasnt possible and with Boller the Raiders would be headed to 5-11.
So I agree with the move…but throwing away your top picks every year does prevent you from getting the Andre Johnson’s, Clay Matthews, BJ Raji’s and Darren McFaddens……
So its a move that had to be made….Palmer has to make the move look like a no-brainer by his tangilbe play on the field and the intangilbe trait of leading the team and getting them to play better.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
474.Plunketthead Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Dam SnB, Thats what I keep saying and people look at me like Im nuts, actually what I say is the 99% should be angry with all the yahoos in the D of C. Thats where change should be. The D of C sold out America and the middle class to the new world order.
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And Big Oil raped the world economies, and left us spent.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
If the team’s as good as we think they are, Carson Palmer’s talent and experience can get it over the top. Not too many rookies can do that for a team.
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Agreed.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
SnB-you lose much of your credibility in comments 416 & 427.Pryor may be the future(hope so),but he is about as ready to play the QB position in the NFL as you are.You were upset that a guy who has never taken a down as an NFL QB.only practiced for 2 weeks with the team didn’t get put in a game over a 8 year vet who at least has seen NFL defenses before.Come on,man!
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Relax Lefty. I do find it interesting that Pryor couldn’t see anytime in that game. He’s practiced for two weeks, plus a week in training camp and has had the playbook for two months.
I would have liked to see him maybe get the nod over Palmer…but certainly during a drive in the last 5 minutes.
Pryor wasn’t just sitting on the couch during the 5 week suspension.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
Plunketthead Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
Dam SnB, Thats what I keep saying and people look at me like Im nuts, actually what I say is the 99% should be angry with all the yahoos in the D of C. Thats where change should be. The D of C sold out America and the middle class to the new world order.
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Exactly! the jackazzes in DC are the ones drafting the rules business plays by….they are the ones selling out to overseas powers…
Its the 99% that elect the clowns…or better yet vote by not voting at all.
Only when they finally feel the pain from over 30 years of incompetence do they finally get mad….at who…some business guy doing what the law LETS HIM!
We are a people in decline
October 29th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
We don’t trade our top picks every year.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I wish we traded away the JaMarcus pick!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I wished it right up until they kept the pick. Then, I wished JaMarcus could be THE guy. Ha
October 29th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
LMN — I told you something similar a few years ago…but you took your vacation elsewhere, if I recall.
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absolutely right, my then GF wasnt thrilled about the suggestion, so we visited some of her family.. but no doubt about it, its on the list, and in the top.
If its going to be with Friends og with my GF I dont know, but in a few years I think I’ll do it. Problem is I need to sell some probities. It all comes down to how soon i’m starting a family, thats first priority at the moment!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Hayes, that hurt us for years. He had so much potential, but also so much pit falls. I don’t think he even now gets it.
October 29th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I wish we traded away the JaMarcus pick!
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I had this talk a few days ago, where one of my danish Raider friends were talking about go back and trade the JaMarcus pick for Palmer =) maybe plus some other picks
October 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
LMN, go forth and multiply, we need more Raider fans!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
I know most here hate Kiffin, but I assume you all agree had Kiffin had Palmer things would have been different. Palmer suited Kiffins style of play!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
LMN, go forth and multiply, we need more Raider fans!
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LOL IO do my best, man.. but biology is a b!tch, my GF has something called PCO, its actually tough on me when you are more than ready!
October 29th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Plunk, snowing here, lawn is covered. Me thinks cocktail time is approaching quickly!:)
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where do you live? I got a friend in St Paul. Last week he got ready for this years snow..
October 29th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Connecticut, two blocks from the Atlantic. The Thames River runs through my town, nice place, really!
October 29th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Someone else is using my name, btw. I’ll let you guys be smart enough to figure out which comments are mine and which are the imposters. I don’t have time for this little game.
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Odd, considering you’ve bragged about how you’ve perfected this little game? You even admitted it in the past, didn’t you?
October 29th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Cleveland, Minnesota, Jags, Arizona, Seattle.
Those are the ONLY teams Jason Campbell would have a shot at starting on next year.
Miami and Indy will have Luck and Barkley.
Will Minny and Jacksonville give up on their 1st rd picks after one season?
Will Cable sign off on Campbell?
Jason Campbell may very well be on our roster next year.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Told you, I don’t have time for these games.
Just got the new Madden, and I’m on a roll.
The following is my comment, and I stick by it.
Al signed JC. JC will remain loyal to Al. I guarantee it.
When JC comes back, and Palmer leaves, I want everyone here to pronounce me Lord of the Manor.
If I’m wrong, I will state that I am even more pathetic than Kell.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
My local bookie is upset the Raids aren’t playing this week. So I went with Wisconsin over Ohio ST. tonight. Hope its good. Campbell, I’m sure, will be here, bye bye Boller, I’m afraid.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
put the kidd in…pryor
October 29th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
J Hill Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Cleveland, Minnesota, Jags, Arizona, Seattle.
Those are the ONLY teams Jason Campbell would have a shot at starting on next year.
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When Palmer bombs, Raiders will have no choice than to sign JC. After this year JC will go to the highest bidder, and with Al gone, Raiders might not be the highest bidder.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
860Todd Christensen Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
My local bookie is upset the Raids aren’t playing this week. So I went with Wisconsin over Ohio ST. tonight. Hope its good. Campbell, I’m sure, will be here, bye bye Boller, I’m afraid.
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You’re afraid, 860? Afraid JC will be here? Boller gone? Both?
October 29th, 2011 at 1:31 pm
Hue’s head seems to be getting bigger. Anyone else notice that?
October 29th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Got a new hidden camera, that lets me sit at the park, and take pictures of babes going by. Anybody else do this?
October 29th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
I wish we traded away the JaMarcus pick!
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You come up with that all on your own? Was your hero that ignored all comments by the coaching staff to pass on JR. Way to go, Al. Great legacy to leave. Passed on the best receiver in the NFL to sign the biggest bust in NFL history.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Off to the park. Wish me luck.
October 29th, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Why is it Oct 29th and it looks like snowballs are coming out of the sky? I can’t see more than 50 yards in any direction, This is crazy! The apocolypse is upon on us lol
October 29th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
Sullivan, as long as you don’t have a mirror tied to your shoe, you should be fine.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Here in California it is sunny, 70 degrees and perfect for the revolution in Oakland. lol.
I don’t think they are mad at the Raiders; plus they practice in Alameda anyway.
Here snow is go to Tahoe or Reno which is way fun.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
post501,hope you trip and fall,will knock some sense into ya.Oh,you cant stay in Als room at the Hilton,B got it first! RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
October 29th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
October 29th, 2011 at 10:11 am
I have a question about Tebow. Is he even in the NFL if it’s not for his boisterous religious stance, and our media’s desperation to manufacture a hero of his social background and religion? Take a close look at his numbers, and try to imagine him being drafted to the NFL otherwise.
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most of the media have said tebow sucks. he was a controversial 1st rounder. look at his #’s? his #’s were amazing at florida. of course, he’s a nfl player. we’ll know by the end of the year for how long. his religion makes him interesting. and i like him for it. he’s an incredible leader. a great role model for kids. and a winner. i wish he was a raider.
October 29th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Does anyone else see us picking up choice who was waived today by the cowboys, seeing darrens injury????????
October 29th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
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October 29th, 2011 at 2:50 pm
True…it is a beautiful day out today!
October 29th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
Choice was waived due to injury.. how that help us?
October 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Whats up Hwnrdr! Beautiful day here in Reno as well
October 29th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
* how DOES that help
October 29th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
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October 29th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
I know most here hate Kiffin, but I assume you all agree had Kiffin had Palmer things would have been different. Palmer suited Kiffins style of play!
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Uh, no. Palmer is a product of the Coryell system. He is much better suited for what the Raiders do now than what they did when Kiffin was here.
The positive that a lot of analysts have mentioned about Palmer coming to the Raiders was the similarities between the systems he has played in, both in college and in the pros, to Hue and Al Saunders’ offensive philosophies.
October 29th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
What’s up Plunk? I hope it stays this way through next week!
October 29th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
can’t get much better weather than this…..too bad the stupid renaissance fair is at the nearby park. we usually go there to walk. next weekend as well. saw a bunch of those geeks at the grocery……sheesh. how do grown people do that?
Yes, Palmer was brought here because he’s been around Hue since college. Let’s hope Hue knows what he’s doing. i’ll lose it if we don’t have a good season.
October 29th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Wise up you dumb f=ks. There’sa new post.
October 31st, 2011 at 5:19 am
Uh, no. Palmer is a product of the Coryell system. He is much better suited for what the Raiders do now than what they did when Kiffin was here.
The positive that a lot of analysts have mentioned about Palmer coming to the Raiders was the similarities between the systems he has played in, both in college and in the pros, to Hue and Al Saunders’ offensive philosophies.
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“Raiders head coach Hue Jackson made the trade for QB Carson Palmer to improve the team’s chances of making the playoffs this season, but according to a team insider, Jackson is fooling himself if he thinks Palmer will make a difference in achieving that goal.
The quarterback looked awful in his first game with the team, throwing three second-half interceptions in a Week Seven loss to the Chiefs, and he admitted afterward that he knew just a small fraction of the playbook. Even with a bye week in which to learn more of the offense, the team will still be limited in the plays it can run with Palmer under center until he has a full grasp of Jackson’s system. Without a training camp and extensive practices to work out with his receivers and offensive line, timing and communication are bound to be issues the remainder of the year.
“If Carson is looking good by the end of the year, I’ll be stunned,” the insider said”
Source; Pro Football Weekly
Hue Jack might have been a bit short-sighted, but they really had no idea how much the Campbell injury was going to affect them, and quite frankly he missed time last year due to a stinger (and thats another lingering injury). Its a tough break, and it speaks volumes on how lightly the considered the back-up from the Cable era – ask yourself; Would Bruce Gradkowski have looked as bad as Kyle Boller did, and is it possible for Jason Campbell to come back if CP3 struggles? This is the flipside to the anticipation and excitement of the Palmer trade.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:15 am
Coming out of high school, Pryor had much more publicity than Cam Newton. In college, Newton was definitely the better player, but you can see their style of play was very similar. I think with the right coaching and time, Pryor can and will surprise people. He can almost match some of the athletic abilities that Cam Newton has. Now it will depend if he can absorb and understand NFL football. It will also depend on his demeanor and drive. Is he motivated as Cam Newton?
Just an example, coming out of college, some people said Darren McFadden’s game was very similar to A. Peterson. It took McFadden longer, but his determination, his drive and his work ethic help him reach his goal as being one of the top RBs in the NFL. Pryor needs to attack it, like how McFadden did.
October 31st, 2011 at 9:21 am
It’s Monday Raiders, Let’s get to work! Broncos week.
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