Raiders let Jackson address penalties
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, November 21st, 2011 at 12:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Looks like the Raiders are fine with allowing Hue Jackson to be the front man in their issues with NFL officials.
Jackson broke his policy of not criticizing officials in the wake of some calls in a 27-21 win over the Minnesota Vikings that left him scratching his head.
He said he planned on contacting the NFL and simply wanted a fair playing field.
At one point Jackson said he didn’t know what a legal hit is any more.
Jackson talks to the media at 2 p.m. in his weekly press briefing, at which point he’ll be asked about the penalties and also presumably have an update on injured wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
With 12 penalties for 117 yards against the Vikings, Oakland leads the NFL with 103 penalties for 892 yards and is on pace set the league record in both categories. They have 17 personal fouls on defense alone, just two behind the 1998 Chiefs over 16 games when they set the current NFL records of 158 penalties and 1,304 yards.
And the Raiders still have six games to play.
Linebacker Aaron Curry has already been hit with three personal fouls since joining the Raiders.
“The thing about it football is a game full of personal fouls,’’ Curry said. “They’re all personal. It all depends on whether a referee decides to throw his flag or not. Every hit we make, they’re all borderline.
“You can call a personal foul on every play, you can call a holding on every play, you can call a facemask on every play. It just depends on what the guys feel like calling.’’
Safety Matt Giordano said the Raiders respect the rules but can’t be affected on the field by concern over getting a flag and positioning themselves for a hit that is within the rules.
“It slows you down as a defensive player if you’re thinking, `OK, how can I hit this guy,’ ‘’ Giordano said.“ I honestly think as a defender, that’s how defenders get hurt, they’re thinking about where to place their head on a receiver’s body, because if they go too high, they could actually damage themselves rather than make the play that they needed to make.’’
While Jackson said the Raiders weren’t allowed to fine players for penalties, defensive tackle Tommy Kelly said there is a “fine jar’’ and that players are aware of the problem.
“We have officials every day at practice,’’ Kelly said. “Coach stresses it. We stress it with each other. I don’t know what else we can do.’’
Following a Week 2 loss in Buffalo, when Richard Seymour and Kelly among others were grumbling about all the flags the Raiders get as opposed to teams without their reputation, players have been careful with their words.
“I’m not really going to comment officiating,’’ tight end Kevin Boss said. “Coach took care of that.’’
Said Giordano: “You know what, you can’t control what the refs do. That’s what they do. I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game. So it always comes down the players so you’ve always got to be ready and with the understanding that you’ve got to play with poise.’’
Even Curry, whose helmet-to-helmet personal foul against Minnesota seemed particularly iffy, wasn’t taking the bait.
“The referees are just doing their job,’’ Curry said. “There’s a rule book and the Raiders are going by it.’’
A few other notes:
– Place kicker Sebastian Janikowski felt his sore left hamstring was a factor on the 49-yard field goal attempt that was blocked.
“I had to kick it lower to get it there and I kicked it too low,’’ Janikowski said.
He said he goes to treatment every day but conceded it could bother him all season.
“With hamstrings, they take awhile to heal,’’ Janikowski said.
– Center Samson Satele, who left the game with a concussion, was in the locker room and talking to reporters. He said he felt fine. Asked about the concussion protocol for being cleared to play, he said, “It hasn’t come up yet. I’ll go see now.’’
– Boss was pleased to be included as a part of the passing offense, catching five passes for 37 yards with a long of 11.
“It was real nice. I want to feel involved and help this team the way I know how,’’ Boss said. “I haven’t lost any confidence in my abilities. I know what I can do to help this team in that part of the offense. So it felt good.’’
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November 21st, 2011 at 12:35 pm
1st
November 21st, 2011 at 12:37 pm
2nd?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:37 pm
2nd
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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couldn’t agree more!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
whats up Raider fans and others… logged on just in time for the new post…. It kind of sucks that I will be forced to root for the Cheatriots tonite.. They’re my last pick on a 5 team parley and if they win by 17, its $125 for Plunk
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
why play Seabass with a hammy?
sign Joe Nedney off the street like we did Lito Sheppard!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
The refs have it in for the Raiders without a doubt. It’s plain as day.
However, the Raiders don’t help matters out by committing far too many on their own.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Great Seabass, thanks for telling everyone you have to kick it lower to go farther since your hurt. The bears will put hieght in the middle this week.
idiot.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
However, the Raiders don’t help matters out by committing far too many on their own penalties*
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Eff them zebras!!!
Eff them good!!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Curry isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Did he graduate from Wake ?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Kudos to Thec! He predicted Myers, Schilens & DHB would be huge factors in this game.
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Whats good RR? Stuff like that is pretty simple.
Most NFL teams when they face us will use the approach of taking away the “guy who had the hot hand”.
DHB not getting run had ZERO to do with Coach Jackson…It had to do with how he was being defensed.
DHB was drawing rolled coverages, and brackets becase he “had the hot hand”.
Fast forward to yesterdays game.
Who had the hot had our last game? DMO…
Who did the vikes try to subtract? DMO….
That would leave our other guys in 1 on 1’s sans a zone covergae…
Minny didnt count on the other guys, they thought if they double up on DMO then they can shut us down.
Wait until our team is fuly healed, and all the toys are in the formation.
this Offense is going to be impossibl to stop…
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Is that all you got, Jerry?
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
refs, shrefs
the Raiders almost lost the game yesterday because they couldn’t stop Ponder on scrambles
the guy actually did some damage passing too
November 21st, 2011 at 12:45 pm
guys who have played for other teams that now play for us notice the inconsistency’s of calling penalties.
You could call a penalty on every play in every game.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
the guy actually did some damage passing too
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Yup, he sure damaged the Vikings’ chances of winning with three crucial picks.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
There have been 175 accepted penalties during Raider games this season. 103 for us 72 for our opponents. I guarantee you that is at LEAST 30 more than any other team. The refs don’t give any gray area when calling a Raider game.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
We have turned over Coaches, players, Offense, and devense schemes and yet we remain the most penalized. what is the constant, or common thread. It cannot be disclipline…
November 21st, 2011 at 12:46 pm
was there even a hand on the facemask for that facemask call? some ambitious fan needs to put together a website or youtube collage showing all the closeups and slo-mo replys of how bad the calls are on oak. I was out of my seat at these calls, it was unbelievable. I mean, we do deserve many of them, but these subjective personal fouls at the best possible time for the opponent is becoming ridiculous. The refs have too much power, the calls are no longer objective. I can live with a bad call here and there. This is so much more than that. At one point they huddled for a long while before calling the obvious call on the vikes D line that jumped…as if they were saying “can anyone claim they saw a Raider flinch? Anyone? Come on we cant give this one to them! no one? OK, I guess we’ll have to call it like it was”
November 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Sandusky44
You are not allowed to refer to the Raiders team or its fan base as “WE”
You are not a fan you instead pull for every team we play and you have continually said in here during games “this is where the Raiders melt down”
November 21st, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Raiders are playing meaningful games at Thanksgiving.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 pm
The REFS gave Minnesota their first score, the rest was on our defense playing soft with a lead. The hit to a defenseless receiver called on Curry was trash, and the facemask called on Branch simply didnt happen. Thats 30 free yards right there. Tack on the ticky tacky roughing the QB call and thats half a field of penalties.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:49 pm
“8.raiderinparadise Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Great Seabass, thanks for telling everyone you have to kick it lower to go farther since your hurt. The bears will put hieght in the middle this week.
idiot.”
Dude, everyone has to kick it lower to go farther. Basic geometry. Haven’t you ever played angry birds? He said it kicked it too low for what he needed.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Am I the only guy who saw the defense play a good game yesterday? Wow.
Yes, too many penalties, but nesflash: we won.
If Bush doesn’t give MN a short field, we win by more.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
No mention of any RBs in for a workout????
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
newsflash*
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
The Raider players and coaches are feeling this disparity in penalties also…
This is not some conspiracy theory as some would suggest, this is a real issue to the coaching staff and the players…
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
No mention of any RBs in for a workout????
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Jerry knows a penalties thread is good for at least 500. He’s Cadillacin it.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
25.J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:51 pm
No mention of any RBs in for a workout????
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We work out FAs on Tuesdays
November 21st, 2011 at 12:52 pm
its unfair. I feel like wcine we have been penalized for so long, that the refs know this and can throw the flags and keep it that way … being that stats say we avg this many penalites blah blah blah, so they go into the game mentally thinking the raiders are a heavily penalized team so lets let the yellow fly, no one will question them. Hue is seeing that.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Am I the only guy who saw the defense play a good game yesterday?
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Nope.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm
But hey, keep the goggles on and pretend like everything is perfect except for the officiating. I sure hope Hue knows better than you.
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Jackson upset by officials’ treatment of Raiders
“I understand that I am a rookie coach and maybe I don’t get all the calls,” he said, via the San Francisco Chronicle. “But there is no way some of the things that happened should happen.
“Sometimes I would get talked to as if they didn’t know what I was asking. I just don’t think it was fair. I asked several times for explanations and wouldn’t get them. … We can’t get the ref over here when there is a break in the action, but he is over there on the other bench having conversations with them. I have a hard time with that.”
A couple of calls Jackson might have been angry about Sunday included personal foul flags on Tommy Kelly and Aaron Curry, as well as a situation where the officials had to change a fourth down to a third down for the Vikings because of an oversight that occurred two plays earlier on the drive.
Jackson says he’ll call the league about the matter today.
“I want us to have the same opportunity that everyone else has in this league,” Jackson said.
Or, at the very least, he just wants somebody to listen.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
The refs have it in for the Raiders without a doubt. It’s plain as day.
However, the Raiders don’t help matters out by committing far too many on their own.
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Words losers use. Man up, LA, and quit whining. I’ve seen lots of plays that were called against teams we were playing that were bogus. Including a called back td on a blatantly bad call. Quit embarrassing us real raider fans by acting like a shunned little girl.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 pm
I would expect Michael Bennett, but we do have Rock, Bush, Reece, Tonga …. heck even pryor could take a sweep or toss.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 pm
We work out FAs on Tuesdays
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Ok.
Any thoughts on who we bring in?
Can’t imagine Jones or McFadden being ready this weekend.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:54 pm
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm
Am I the only guy who saw the defense play a good game yesterday?
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Nope.
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3 turnovers and a W.
2nd straight game D had to close it out and the 4th or 5th time they’ve had to do so?
How but some points in the 4th to help them out.
We’re the best 2nd quarter scoring team and I’m sure one of the worst 4th quarter scoring teams.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
Forgot about Bennett.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
What helped our “D” was A.P. getting hurt!
November 21st, 2011 at 12:56 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:50 pm
Am I the only guy who saw the defense play a good game yesterday? Wow.
Yes, too many penalties, but nesflash: we won.
If Bush doesn’t give MN a short field, we win by more.
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Truth…the diffrence between this year and last is we dont put the hammer down, and close the game out this year.
That game was over at the half however, 3 strainght 3 and go’s will give any NFL team at home hope.
We need to do a better job in the second half.
November 21st, 2011 at 12:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:53 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:41 pm
The refs have it in for the Raiders without a doubt. It’s plain as day.
However, the Raiders don’t help matters out by committing far too many on their own.
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Words losers use. Man up, LA, and quit whining. I’ve seen lots of plays that were called against teams we were playing that were bogus. Including a called back td on a blatantly bad call. Quit embarrassing us real raider fans by acting like a shunned little girl.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Sandusky44
You are not allowed to refer to the Raiders team or its fan base as “WE”
You are not a fan you instead pull for every team we play and you have continually said in here during games “this is where the Raiders melt down”
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The above should be a disclaimer on every post by the Field Marshall of the Sockpuppet Army
November 21st, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Words losers use. Man up, LA, and quit whining. I’ve seen lots of plays that were called against teams we were playing that were bogus. Including a called back td on a blatantly bad call. Quit embarrassing us real raider fans by acting like a shunned little girl.
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Troll on, MR, I’m calling it like it is.
The Raiders are undiscipline and take 7 penalties a game all by themselves. I’m talking about the 2 or 3 per game that are BS. Been happening for years.
Good Raider teams overcome the penalties which is, you know, what we’ve been doing.
The penalites are too big an issue.
Issue is defensive lapses in 2nd half and lack of points on the board.
Oakland scores an extra TD per 2nd half, who cares about penalties? Then it’s not a problem, then we’re ‘bada$$es’ again instead of ‘boneheads.’
November 21st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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couldn’t agree more!
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Couldn’t agree less:
Imaculate reception
Tuck rule
1977 AFC championship, Rob Lytel fumble
uncountable Non calls
November 21st, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Hue is fond of saying he likes to find out what players feel most comfortable with or what they do best, and put them in position to maximize their abilities.
Well, obviously (Hue!) has ascertained very quickly that Carson Palmer is capable of running a no huddle offense, and making calls at the LOS.
Hard to imagine Campbell doing the same thing. Gone are the days of Campbell’s lazy audibles and continual blowing of time outs and delay penalties. After 3 weeks, Palmer is so much more in command of the offense than Campbell ever was, that it’s laughable.
Nice to see Jason standing with Hue yesterday. He’s a good team guy. Just glad he’s no longer taking snaps.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
I’m calling it like it is.
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Its interesting that Coach Jackson, and some of the players see things as you do.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
The Raiders are getting much better across the board. They just don’t do it for 4 quarters.
Thats a good thing, we want this team to peak at the right time … win is a win now, come playoffs we will peak and be healthy …. like the Arizona Cardinals a few years back … 9-7 into playoffs eneded season hot and kept it going.
momentum is uncoachable and infectious to a locker room.
watch and enjoy.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99, whats going on Brother? hope all is well with you.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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Gio shouldnt speak on wins and loses. He has been balling but his miscommunications with routt cost us in the denver game, and this happened on more than one occasion…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Is Noel Devine still available?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:04 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
The Raiders are getting much better across the board. They just don’t do it for 4 quarters.
Thats a good thing, we want this team to peak at the right time … win is a win now, come playoffs we will peak and be healthy …. like the Arizona Cardinals a few years back … 9-7 into playoffs eneded season hot and kept it going.
momentum is uncoachable and infectious to a locker room.
watch and enjoy.
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Solid post…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Yes……….on espn2 at 4:30 PST or 7:30 EST the Mizzou Tigers will be facing off vs the Big East powerhouse Notre Dame fighting Irish…..can little cousin step his game up against a team who has more size on the post? We shall see…..3.5 hours til tip off….winner of this game plays winner of Cal/UGA…ol boy to see little cousin vs Cal would be fun…im sure some Cal Bears fans wont like my loud nature but oh mthfkin well!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
PlunkforHOF
That is why I post that every 100 posts or so.
So spineless to pull for every team we play to beat us then come in here and say “WE” when talking about us or our team.
This is NOT your team Sandusky44!!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:00 pm
The Raiders are getting much better across the board. They just don’t do it for 4 quarters.
Thats a good thing, we want this team to peak at the right time … win is a win now, come playoffs we will peak and be healthy …. like the Arizona Cardinals a few years back … 9-7 into playoffs eneded season hot and kept it going.
momentum is uncoachable and infectious to a locker room.
watch and enjoy.
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I like this post and hope to see it go down that way.
Carson is going to really help the attitude and confidence of the team, IMO.
Gio is a veteran guy, a leader and leading by example.
Branch is having an incredible year thus far.
I’d love to see all the offensive weapons healthy at the same time.
Moore, DHB, Ford, Reece, DMAC all on the same field at the same time with Carson Palmer carving up defenses like a holiday ham in that no huddle?
Sheeeeeeeeit.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
What up b?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:06 pm
38.r8eray Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:55 pm
What helped our “D” was A.P. getting hurt!
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Michael Huff finally made an impact play this year lol…naw he did vs Houston right?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Michael Huff finally made an impact play this year lol…naw he did vs Houston right?
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Veteran tackle. Was dirty but wasn’t clean either.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:07 pm
53.PlunkforHOF Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:05 pm
What up b?
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Same ol…just at the job site….all the Raider people here sticking out their chests and such…excited for sunday vs the Care Bears but even more excited for NCAA hoops tonight and tomorrow!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Saw you gave public props for Reece and Kelly.. good man
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
B, wait till we get healthy…..better watch out!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
With the Bears D and that cover 2, I think Boss, Meyers and Reece will have an significant impact.
Would love to have DHB back, as he is adept at finding the windows within zone D.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 pm
57.PlunkforHOF Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
Saw you gave public props for Reece and Kelly.. good man
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I always give credit where its due….its called being a man….Sillivan44 and his legion of loser aliases cant do that
November 21st, 2011 at 1:10 pm
58.r8eray Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:09 pm
B, wait till we get healthy…..better watch out!
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Ray we miss your presence at the game! Man when you rollin?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Refs can definitely help you lose a game by extending drives with calls. Just like the late hit call on Houston I believe it was when we had Gerhardt tackled for about a 6 yard loss. Where was the late hit call on Jared Allen when he speared Palmer when he dove forward when being tackled? Guaranteed it would have been called if that was a Raider hitting a quarterback going down!!!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Let’s go Raiders! This is time to get on a run…set some space between us and the AFC West…let’s get healthy and be ready to handle biz in January!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
have A significant impact*
Victory Monday, lol.
Good news, Ledge Dwellers and Kleenex Crew: 6-4, sole posession of 1st and in control of our destiny and still have yet to play our best football.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
The second-year player didn’t want to take too much credit.
“Every person on the O-line plays a role in that,” Veldheer said. “Every person on the offense plays a role in that, because we weren’t living in 3rd-and-long much. That helps. And being able to operate the no-huddle like Carson does helps. To sit here and say what I did doesn’t do all of those things justice.”
Still, it was sweet, as Veldheer is from Grand Rapids, Mich., and about 50 relatives and friends made the drive to Minneapolis.
“It’s awesome to get a win like this in front of them,” he said.
There was one holding call against Veldheer, and Allen pointed to that rather than giving his counterpart credit.
“If he wouldn’t have tackled me, I would have” gotten the sack, Allen said.
“Carson Palmer does a good job of sitting in the pocket 5 or 6 yards deep. It’s a Catch-22. If you go up top, he steps underneath; if you go under, he steps up top.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/20/SP5A1M1TPE.DTL#ixzz1eNPIazgN
who’s the vet and who’s the young player? Jared Veldheer get’s it
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
62.dking Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
Refs can definitely help you lose a game by extending drives with calls. Just like the late hit call on Houston I believe it was when we had Gerhardt tackled for about a 6 yard loss. Where was the late hit call on Jared Allen when he speared Palmer when he dove forward when being tackled? Guaranteed it would have been called if that was a Raider hitting a quarterback going down!!!
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Its just BS…every game we cant be netting 12-15 flags and someone saying its being called squarely
November 21st, 2011 at 1:12 pm
65.inonewordraider Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
The second-year player didn’t want to take too much credit.
“Every person on the O-line plays a role in that,” Veldheer said. “Every person on the offense plays a role in that, because we weren’t living in 3rd-and-long much. That helps. And being able to operate the no-huddle like Carson does helps. To sit here and say what I did doesn’t do all of those things justice.”
Still, it was sweet, as Veldheer is from Grand Rapids, Mich., and about 50 relatives and friends made the drive to Minneapolis.
“It’s awesome to get a win like this in front of them,” he said.
There was one holding call against Veldheer, and Allen pointed to that rather than giving his counterpart credit.
“If he wouldn’t have tackled me, I would have” gotten the sack, Allen said.
“Carson Palmer does a good job of sitting in the pocket 5 or 6 yards deep. It’s a Catch-22. If you go up top, he steps underneath; if you go under, he steps up top.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/20/SP5A1M1TPE.DTL#ixzz1eNPIazgN
who’s the vet and who’s the young player? Jared Veldheer get’s it
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Al Davis draft pick…..go cry about it Al Haters
November 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
CODE BLACK protocols are being fine tuned for a playoff run!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
“If he wouldn’t have tackled me, I would have” gotten the sack, Allen said.
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Pu$$y.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Anyhow…enjoy victory monday and i hope pats clean Chiefs clock…..yall be solid and remember………..
ITS ALWAYS CODE BLACK
Good day
November 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
B, whats good? what is your cousin pts avg this year?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:14 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:11 pm
have A significant impact*
Victory Monday, lol.
Good news, Ledge Dwellers and Kleenex Crew: 6-4, sole posession of 1st and in control of our destiny and still have yet to play our best football.
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hahahahahahahahaha
Truth….
Victory Monday
CODE BLACK
November 21st, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Its just BS…every game we cant be netting 12-15 flags and someone saying its being called squarely
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The problem is the ones we deserve make it easier for officials to call BS penalties.
We clean it up in a major way and the BS becomes far more obvious, and would diminish, IMO.
That being said, the officials really set the tone early.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:16 pm
That being said, the officials really set the tone early.
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In the past the team would have quit after playing 16 on 11 however, this team has some grit, and determination.
Just win Baby
November 21st, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Sandusky44 you are parasite on the barely living, a low life, an empty shallow human being seeking affirmation on a Raider blog. I cant imagine how bleak your life must be to act and post the way you do, it smells of desperation anger, and sick need to fill an empty void.
I enjoy watching everyone rip on you in here every day and how cheesy and child like you can be in response….but in reality I feel sorry for you
November 21st, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Ledge dwellers….lol
November 21st, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Remember when MR said CODE BLACK would die out? lmao
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:13 pm
“If he wouldn’t have tackled me, I would have” gotten the sack, Allen said.
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Pu$$y.
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True crier….He got shut out and now crying….
He had a ton of other opps to get a sack. We gave up 4…
he just got shut the hell out.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 pm
CODE BLACK
November 21st, 2011 at 1:18 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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couldn’t agree more!
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I don’t think Giordano was even in the league for “The Snow Job.” That being said, I do agree refs never decide a game. BUT, the three personal foul penalties on the Jokings 2nd drive were flat out jokes. Kelly made an excellent play. Negated. The Aaron Curry hit? If that wasn’t good hard football, then what is good hard football? And the Tyvon Branch facemask, let’s face it, he didn’t get the facemask. At all. I will stop right there. The bad news, Hue Jackson looked like he was about to cry. Seriously. The good news, the team responded the way they should have: like a pack of angry wild dogs. I have said this before, if the Raiders are winning 30-6 you don’t see these phantom penalties. In a 24-21 game with ten minutes to go in the 4th all of sudden here come the phantom flags. Once the Raiders were up 24-7 these penalties evaporated. Only when Minn made it close, did they come back. Once the Raiders realize they have to just ROLL TEAMS, these penalties will dissipate.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:19 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Allen flapping his gums and not giving repsect. Dumb redneck.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Thanks for the feedback on the post
It’s just amazing to think how much this team has changed since Week 1.
Carson in for Campbell.
McFadden out.
TJ acquired.
Curry trade.
The constant Wiz and Satele swaps … enter Heyer
Brandon Meyers looking like a stud blocker and pass catcher
Lito Sheppard
McCann
No Shaugnessy, no hiram eugene.
No Al Davis.
No 1st round picks lol
I could go on and on, this team is coming together during the season, not in the off-season like most others and they are winning the division, that says a lot …. like I said this team will be in full force in 3-4 weeks.
and winning as they get there !
November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Dec. 18th…takin the wifee and kids!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:20 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
fugg allen, he got shut out and they lost…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Thec07 Says:
We have turned over Coaches, players, Offense, and devense schemes and yet we remain the most penalized. what is the constant, or common thread. It cannot be disclipline…
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The common thread through all of that was Al. When you instill a players first, win-at-all-costs rebel attitude into your organization, you have to be willing to live with the consequences.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:22 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Alright, that’s enough
November 21st, 2011 at 1:23 pm
Veldheer, DHB, DMoore, Ford, Wiz, Houston etc.
in addition to size and speed Al added a third ingredient in selecting players the last two years: Character
November 21st, 2011 at 1:24 pm
Brandon Meyers i know but the guy who stretched out and grabbed that ball for a 21 yard gain is not Brando Meyers… Who is he???
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Curry isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Did he graduate from Wake ?
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He had a pretty high gpa at Wake if my memory is correct. However, Seattle folks complained about his lack of common sense when I was up there last year. Dude is a hitter though. Let him play close to the LOS and pls dont assign him pass defense.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game.
-Matt Giordano
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Apparently you missed the Tuck Rule game, Matt.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Veldheer taking down Allen to prevent him from sacking CP =best penalty of the day
November 21st, 2011 at 1:28 pm
inonewordraider Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Veldheer taking down Allen to prevent him from sacking CP =best penalty of the day
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Agreed.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Thec07 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Kudos to Thec! He predicted Myers, Schilens & DHB would be huge factors in this game.
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Whats good RR? Stuff like that is pretty simple.
Most NFL teams when they face us will use the approach of taking away the “guy who had the hot hand”.
DHB not getting run had ZERO to do with Coach Jackson…It had to do with how he was being defensed.
DHB was drawing rolled coverages, and brackets becase he “had the hot hand”.
Fast forward to yesterdays game.
Who had the hot had our last game? DMO…
Who did the vikes try to subtract? DMO….
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Except hes wrong.
Myers did cause a fumble but on special teams. Nice but hardly a game planned or over all performance result. Had a solid catch but was really due one wasn;t he? Seen him put more on the ground than catch.
Boss had 5.
Schilens had a TD catch good but hardly a “D.Mo” Charger type game.
Your DHB theory has more holes than a porn star convention.
DHB not getting run had ZERO to do with Coach Jackson…It had to do with how he was being defensed.
DHB was drawing rolled coverages, and brackets because he “had the hot hand”.
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Well even if he was being defensed (easy to do when hes on the BENCH) wouldn’t you WANT him on the field to draw that extra attention?
To say Hue had nothing to do with Bey being negated is incorrect in the extremis.
Why sit his azz so teams DON’T have to defense him and can now concentrate on rookies and newbies?
Use him as that decoy at least if teams are trying to negate him by “rolling coverage” right?
But above all, the reason I DO think Hue had a problem with Bey is because he SAID SO.
No in so many words but by signing TJ Housh to do Bey’s JOB.
TJ said Oakland had no guys that could run the underneath routes and thats exactly where Bey was making his hay, as a surprising possession receiver.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm
inonewordraider Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
Veldheer taking down Allen to prevent him from sacking CP =best penalty of the day
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I call it pay the man some extra bonus money…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:29 pm
Penalties.
Is there a ‘conspiracy’ against the Raids ? I doubt it.
Are Raider games (because of reputation) more closely officiated than other contests ? Probably.
Is it likely that something isn’t quite right when for 30 years the Raids consistently are the most penalized team in the NFL ? Highly.
Have the Raiders, more often than not, come out on the short end of some of the biggest, most questionable calls in NFL history ? Definitely.
Hue is doing a good thing by bringing up the questionable officiating. It can’t hurt. He’s using the right tactic by keeping it in context with statements like “I’m not sure what a good hit or tackle is anymore”. This avoids the ‘conspiracy’ angle and emphasizes the ambiguity involved in calls like the personal foul against Curry yesterday that seemingly have no consistency from game to game.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:31 pm
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 10:07 am
Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 9:57 am
J Hill Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 9:52 am
When was McClain horrible?
On the Ponder runs????
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Name one play he made. Early in the game he repeatedly gets wiped out. He is continually late to the point, and then gets blocked out of the play taking other defenders with him.
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Peterson and Gerhart combined to rush 13 times for 44 yds.
Just trying to zero in on your McClain complaints.
Perfect game? No. But horrible????
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The Jokings ran for over 130 yards. Now half of that was Ponder, but still, they ran for over 130 yards. And that was without Peterson. The first play of the game Shiancoe comes in and just decks McLame. That was basically the last we saw of McLame all day. Now lets be honest, 6 tackles and l sack is not a bad stat line. But that was Lito freaking Sheppard, not McLame. Did McLame even make TWO tackles?? As an ILB?? I have said repeatedly, it might be time to move Curry inside and get McLame the fook out of there.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
98. Yeah, I get what hes saying about player responsibility but history is littered with games F’ed by refs for bad or missed calls.
Rob Lytle anyone?
Bet the Giants wish they’d have gotten a P.I. on their tackle eleigible in that San Fran play off game. on and on
November 21st, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Curry is a good Christian, he would never late hit anyone. The refs should take that into account next time.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Yeah Brandon Meyers is looking nasty.
Boss & Meyers are great players this year, quietly making big impacts.
Veldheer is a franchise LT ….. a diamond from a DII school, truly amazing pick by AL & the crew.
Wiz is another all pro.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:33 pm
F@ck Allen.. You got handled ALL day, chump!! Go comb your mullet and how bout brushin those horse teeth while youre at it..
Nice job Veldheer!! Goes to show you can handle the best of the best…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:33 pm
The Kelly penalty was a bad call but unfortunately is in the rule book. You cannot hit a QB’s head while he is in the pocket with your arm, no matter how that hit comes i.e. accidental. Don’t blame Kelly though blame Goodell and his flag football. The other 2 penalties were BS but in the end we got the W. All we should care about. Even if you had -5 yards of total offense and the other team had over 500 if you manage to win that’s all you care. Do you go back to fix those problems? Hell yeah but you do enjoy the win.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
From PFT, Jake Plummer on Tebow:
“I wish he’d just shut up after a game and go hug his teammates,” Plummer said, via SportsRadioInterviews.com. “I think that when he accepts the fact that we know that he loves Jesus Christ then I think I’ll like him a little better. I don’t hate him because of that, I just would rather not have to hear that every time he takes a good snap or makes a good handoff.”
November 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Just saw the DHB play on ESPN.. That DID look like a deliberate elbow to the head.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
aig-raiders Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:26 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Curry isn’t the sharpest tool in the shed. Did he graduate from Wake ?
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He had a pretty high gpa at Wake if my memory is correct. However, Seattle folks complained about his lack of common sense when I was up there last year. Dude is a hitter though. Let him play close to the LOS and pls dont assign him pass defense.
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Pete Carrol didn’t draft Curry. What Caroll had Curry do is watch hours of tape of his own defense to see how it worked. Curry said he had never done that before: watch tape of his own team, not the oppo. That being said, I agree, I think it is best to have AC in the middle out of coverages.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:34 pm
Just saw the DHB play on ESPN.. That DID look like a deliberate elbow to the head.
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He went to hit him with his forearm, but the damage was done by the knee, not the arm.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
“Any closer to feeling if you have your quarterback on this team?”
Elway flatly answered “no.”
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Well Raidermann99, I guess you came through the fire, ok?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
104. Really? I agree it wasn’t McClain’s best day but Ponder an for 71 yds.
Raider run D was fine if untested.
Truth is, if Oakland hadn’t held a commanding lead that forced the vikes to pass and Peterson wouldn’t have gone out early in the second it looked like they would’ve run all over us.
Run D is still suspect but as demonstrated, the O can protect the run Ds short comings to an extent
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
Yeah please watch McClain on Petersons TD run, he is still bent over his knees flat-footed 6 yards back and doesn’t even take a step forward before the blocker takes him out the play.
McClain always has worried me, he doesn’t play hard enough consistently.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:36 pm
DHB getting an inadvertent blow to the helmet. No flag was the correct call.
If a Raider had done the same to Harvin it would have been a flag and personal foul with possible ejection.
This is a certainty.
And that is what HueJack meant. An unlevel playing field.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Urlacher suggests Bears use Tebow offense:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/11/21/urlacher-suggests-bears-use-tebow-offense-but-lovie-says-no/
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
Here’s the deal on the penalties, gents…
DESPITE some iffy penalty calls, the Raiders were ahead 21 – 7 at the half. In the first half they came out huffin’ and puffin’ and acting like they wanted to go deep into the playoffs. In the second half, again DESPITE penalties, they took the attitude that ‘if we can hold onto this lead, maybe we can get to the playoffs.’ Horseshict!!! Just keep playing, guys. I’ve never understood the coaching attitude with any NFL team that causes them to abandon what’s been working in favof of some seemingly ’safe’ way to whimper their way out of a game trying to hold onto a lead. It just doesn’t work week after week! Play to your strengths!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
[...] Raiders let Jackson address penalties Looks like the Raiders are fine with allowing Hue Jackson to be the front man in their issues with NFL officials. [...]
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
But above all, the reason I DO think Hue had a problem with Bey is because he SAID SO.
No in so many words but by signing TJ Housh to do Bey’s JOB.
TJ said Oakland had no guys that could run the underneath routes and thats exactly where Bey was making his hay, as a surprising possession receiver.
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Ah DHB has taken far more snaps that TJ since his arrival.
Coach Jackson, and Coach Saunders have said the same things in the pressers. The D is specfically takin guys away.
Both coaches have reiterated that one week it will be this guy another week it will be that guy. Never consistent week to week.
the coaches also mentioned comfort level with the WR’s.
So blog with standing I will take what the coaches say as being gospel. Iwill put very littl if any stock to the Semi’s and non Semi’s on the blog.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
# Thec07 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99, whats going on Brother? hope all is well with you.
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Yup, it’s all good. Had a little scare and problem with the fire up here last week. Things getting back to normal now. Thanks for asking. It’s good to be back and reading your comments. Always enjoy your takes and enthusiasm.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:40 pm
99 you in Reno?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Psychology and Raider penalties:
Studies done on officiating show that at all levels of football, teams wearing black are penalized more often than non-black wearing teams.
It is psychologically assumed black wearing teams are more aggressive and borderline penalties often don’t go their way.
Raiders, Steelers lead the way in personal fouls most years.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Never saw a ref win or lose a game?
It happens in the NFL, the NBA, MLB, NCAA football and basketball, World Cup Soccer…hell, it even happens in peewee leagues…Giordano must’ve been smokin’ a bit during his Berkeley days to think otherwise.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:41 pm
103. Agreed.
Seen enough of other teams drawing BS ridiculous flags to know we’re not alone in questionable calls.
There is ample precident that our guys commit penalties and ther is evidence that on occasion refs do rip us off but they do this to other teams as well.
Seasttle Steelers SB ring any bells?
The fix was in for Bettis and the BUS. Ad departments drooled over that one only to find the fixed game and the fact Bettis is bland meant any attempt to brand him would flop.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Are Raider games (because of reputation) more closely officiated than other contests ? Probably.
Is it likely that something isn’t quite right when for 30 years the Raids consistently are the most penalized team in the NFL ? Highly.
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Almost every game we play a penalty or play happens that has never been seen before, and they have to dig through the rule book for some obscure rule that was never ever used or created as an after thought…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
You may have never seen a ref win or lose a game, but you can damned well bet they have affected the outcome. Just cannot fathom what the dumb NFL excepts players to do, get the offensive player to stop and let the defensive player grab him, then go into motion again for the tackle. Better yet, just change the National Football League into the National Flag Football League.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psych.cornell.edu%2Fsec%2FpubPeople%2Ftdg1%2FFrank%2520%26%2520Gilo%252088.pdf&ei=esXKTunKJqGeiQLs-MjTCw&usg=AFQjCNHEGe4sAsOdKT_2Q4scqmSHwODCZw&sig2=qxiwAVaTVwz5EPVU7vMw6g
The study was done at Cornell.
Wear black = more penalties.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Psychology and Raider penalties:
Studies done on officiating show that at all levels of football, teams wearing black are penalized more often than non-black wearing teams.
It is psychologically assumed black wearing teams are more aggressive and borderline penalties often don’t go their way.
Raiders, Steelers lead the way in personal fouls most years.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=1&ved=0CB8QFjAA&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.psych.cornell.edu%2Fsec%2FpubPeople%2Ftdg1%2FFrank%2520%26%2520Gilo%252088.pdf&ei=esXKTunKJqGeiQLs-MjTCw&usg=AFQjCNHEGe4sAsOdKT_2Q4scqmSHwODCZw&sig2=qxiwAVaTVwz5EPVU7vMw6g
The study was done at Cornell.
Wear black = more penalties.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:43 pm
http://www.psych.cornell.edu/sec/pubPeople/tdg1/Frank%20&%20Gilo%2088.pdf
Here’s a shorter link.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
104. Really? I agree it wasn’t McClain’s best day but Ponder an for 71 yds.
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To me, all you have to do is look at AP’s TD yesterday. Look at that play. And then multiply it by a year and a half.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
The league just commented that penalties from yesterday were the correct calls. Expect a meeting with the league and hue soon. Per adam s. on NFL live
November 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Both coaches have reiterated that one week it will be this guy another week it will be that guy. Never consistent week to week.
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DHB Moore and Ford
Boss Myers Ausberry
DMAC Taiwan
Veldheer Wiz
CP
Houston Shaughnessy Bryant
Wimbley Mcclain Curry
Routt DVD
Branch Huff
The present is good and so is the future
November 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
supapimp Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
The league just commented that penalties from yesterday were the correct calls.
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Horseschit
November 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
alex7 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Wear black = more penalties.
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I thought we were wearing white yesterday.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:46 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
# Thec07 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99, whats going on Brother? hope all is well with you.
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Yup, it’s all good. Had a little scare and problem with the fire up here last week. Things getting back to normal now. Thanks for asking. It’s good to be back and reading your comments. Always enjoy your takes and enthusiasm.
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I know first hand how the wildfires can be. I have lived through a few.
the bay area one sever years back, and 2 recently in San diego.
I know you are up in reno so glad to hear you are safe.
Keep the good post up bru, as I too enjoy reading your takes…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Seymour
I’m referring more to the decades-long effect of wearing black half the games.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm
118.M Lonetree Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:36 pm
DHB getting an inadvertent blow to the helmet. No flag was the correct call.
If a Raider had done the same to Harvin it would have been a flag and personal foul with possible ejection.
This is a certainty.
And that is what HueJack meant. An unlevel playing field.
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I agree 100%.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Yeah please watch McClain on Petersons TD run, he is still bent over his knees flat-footed 6 yards back and doesn’t even take a step forward before the blocker takes him out the play.
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I agree here. If you watch Ray Lewis, he takes it to them. He gets a running start and use that momentum to hit the blocker backward or shed them. If you got 2 guys weighing roughly around 240-250 lbs and one guy has a running start, the guy with momentum will win.
There was a play late in the game where Tyvonn Branch had a bigger blocker on him but kept that on his inside shoulder. That allowed him to hit the runner running to the outside. Tyvonn Branch had a MONSTER game yesterday imo.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Looks like our boy Hue will get fined by the NFL!
November 21st, 2011 at 1:50 pm
When the Raiders got immaculately screwed in Pissburgh they wore white
When the Raiders got Tucked they wore white
try again
November 21st, 2011 at 1:51 pm
Yes, Plunk. I’m on Ridgeview. Next to Lakeridge golf course. Had a few homes burn down here, mandatory evacuations. Got pretty scary.
Kell, I came through OK. Take more than a fire to keep JaRaiderman down. Thanks for your concern, bud.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:51 pm
r8eray Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Looks like our boy Hue will get fined by the NFL!
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when Phil Jackson put the refs on blast next game he’d get the calls, doubt this works for Hue but worth a shot
November 21st, 2011 at 1:55 pm
yes Raiderman,
tell the Cornell scientists to try again.
Overall, wearing black makes people more aggressive, and the perception of those people as more aggressive.
In sports, OVERALL, they get flagged more.
Same reasons cops changed from blue outfits to black. Same reasons SWAT wears black.
November 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Your DHB theory has more holes than a porn star convention.
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Sorry, this is not my theroy however, it is what the HC and OCO are saying.
They have way more intel and credibiliaty that a blogger…lol
November 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Jackson to be the front man in their issues with NFL officials. [...]
122.Thec07 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:38 pm
But above all, the reason I DO think Hue had a problem with Bey is because he SAID SO.
No in so many words but by signing TJ Housh to do Bey’s JOB.
TJ said Oakland had no guys that could run the underneath routes and thats exactly where Bey was making his hay, as a surprising possession receiver.
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Ah DHB has taken far more snaps that TJ since his arrival.
Coach Jackson, and Coach Saunders have said the same things in the pressers. The D is specfically takin guys away.
Both coaches have reiterated that one week it will be this guy another week it will be that guy. Never consistent week to week.
the coaches also mentioned comfort level with the WR’s.
So blog with standing I will take what the coaches say as being gospel. Iwill put very littl if any stock to the Semi’s and non Semi’s on the blog.
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“I will take what the coaches say as being gospel”
And there in the problem lies.
“All warfare is based on deception”
Football is a metaphor for war.
Coaches certainly aren;t always going to come out and state things.
They’re going to sugar coat, iveigle, obfuscate to keep secrets and real advantage so yeah, take what Coach says but with a grain of salt because hes not going to come out say: “Bey is sub par and not capable of running certain routes consistently enough.” or what ever.
Bey seeing more time than TJ is another misleading statement.
While it may be factual its relevance is dubious because:
A: Bey was benched for a period of time when TJ was brought on so if he saw 17 plays and TJ 10 so what? The point is unless he was being rested and saved for later in the season Bey was a starter who saw his time diminished. Period.
Why?
Certainly more to it than the gospel of Hue even if it was simple “rest em” strategy.
B: You said it yourself: “Both coaches have reiterated that one week it will be this guy another week it will be that guy. Never consistent week to week.
the coaches also mentioned comfort level with the WR’s.”
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Injury anhd strategy at play there for sure but this statement only bolsters my assertion by its duality.
Bey made several grabs off Palmer in his first outing as a Raider against KC no less.
Contradictory statments everywhere. “Hot hand” yeah, so bench him. Make sense? No.
“Comfort level” for Carson I’m assuming.
So play TJ.
Clearly they should be faaaar more comfortable but you point out Bey’s gotten more time.
Jackson lies so yes, while you can get info from coaches, people who really want to know whats going on look to outside sources like IBA and this blog right here…
November 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm
and Raiderman,
Pittsburgh Immaculate reception had nothing to do with a penalty or aggression. Neither did the Tuck rule game.
What on earth are you talking about?
November 21st, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Giordano said the right veteran thing and took the high-road.
If it becomes a distraction, then its more of an issue. Were winning and 1st place in division.
Thats the focus.
The Bears should be the focus.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:02 pm
134.Seymour Bush Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:45 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 1:35 pm
104. Really? I agree it wasn’t McClain’s best day but Ponder an for 71 yds.
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To me, all you have to do is look at AP’s TD yesterday. Look at that play. And then multiply it by a year and a half.
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First it was Al Davis and his meddling and dated defensive tactics.
Now we’ve got carte blnc and run all manner of D and its McClain’s fault.
I say see the Tebow game with Blackstock at MLB.
It would be nice if McClain was playing like a top 10 DP but hes better than what people think and hes playing on a bad wheel…in his SECOND season
November 21st, 2011 at 2:02 pm
One problem, Imo, is that the NFL tweaks the rules, every damned year.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:03 pm
It appears Hue isn’t into reading. If he was he would know that all teams complain about bad calls. Hue acts like it’s just the Raiders. Reason there is no discipline is because so megaegotist named Al made sure the team knew he, and only he was in charge. Players don’t care what Hue, or Cable, or Kiffin, or Shell, etc, had to say.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Jackson broke his policy of not criticizing officials in the wake of some calls in a 27-21 win over the Minnesota Vikings that left him scratching his head.
He said he planned on contacting the NFL and simply wanted a fair playing field.
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Hererra has been in the darkroom splicing “tape” since the team got back in town last night, to aid in Hue’s presentation to Emperor Rog….
November 21st, 2011 at 2:03 pm
Bey seeing more time than TJ is another misleading statement.
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question, since TJ has been with the team and before DNB’s injury which Wr hass seen the field the most?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:04 pm
154. RMR cannnot help himslef. reveals his hand everytime.
Time to trot out another troll name
November 21st, 2011 at 2:05 pm
“I will take what the coaches say as being gospel”
And there in the problem lies.
“All warfare is based on deception”
Football is a metaphor for war.
Coaches certainly aren;t always going to come out and state things.
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hahahahaha…So show me where on the web, pressers where Coach Jackson or coach Saunders say they have an issue with DHB…
Show me 1 thread…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Amazing anyone still brings up the Tuck game. IT’S A RULE, WAS A RULE, AND IS STILL A RULE, YOU MORONS. That was called earlier that year, was called this year many times. Stop crying. It’s a rule. Yeah, yeah, in that case we came out on the short end, but it’s still a rule.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
PGutierrezCSN “Darrius is fine…he’s moving around, walking around…he’s doing good.” – @RAIDERS Hue Jackson
3 minutes ago
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Good news!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Amazing anyone still brings up the Tuck game. IT’S A RULE, WAS A RULE, AND IS STILL A RULE, YOU MORONS.
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I wonder what Debo, alex7 and Albert Bigelow have to say.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:08 pm
It’s been decades since Al Davis has been relevant. Most of these ref’s weren’t even in the league the last time Al went head to head with the league. You’re grasping at straws. Looking for excuses. Face it, the team is undisciplined. Want proof? Read the words of so many ex-players, from Hall, to Nnamdi, to Wilson, to Gannon, to Lott to Rice to Woodson, etc. All state the team is undisciplined. None of them blamed the refs. They blamed the organization.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Shut up, Oakglenn, you crossposting POS.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Jackson lies so yes, while you can get info from coaches, people who really want to know whats going on look to outside sources like IBA and this blog right here…
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What proof do you have that coach Jackson Lied regarding DHB????
Unless you are at practices, have verifiable inside intel, or are part of the coaching staff, you cannot definetively say what the “real” reasons are.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Hue is like a out of control puppet, who suddenly found out his strings weren’t attached. He runs into walls. He says the dumbest things. He has no control of himself, or his team.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:11 pm
156. 27 plays vs 17 or so? Who cares?
See, when you take one view as “gospel” you discount factors and variables.
U never stopped to consider TJ may not have been in A 1 top NFL condition after joining us 8 games in?
Maybe THATS why he hasn’t seen as much time or that the game plan has been the deep ball (like against SD) and not the intermediate stuff he AND Bey are good at?
Yesterday was and thanks to Fords injury Bey saw time after a benching.
Why not TJ? Ask Hue.
He’ll tell U a partial truth or lie to you.
Thats the nature war. hes not going to come out and tell the world. “Hey, Bey sucks, Davis was wrong and hes gone at the end of the season.”
or tell you “TJs a non factor cuz hes not physically ready so our next opponent won;’t have to worry about defending the under neath and chain moving pass plays as much.”
Think about it.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Yeah, Hue lied. He stated he let Boss and DHB know. They said they had no idea. He said Carson was chomping at the bit to go in, and actually asked him to go in. Carson said he told Hue is wasn’t ready, and should not go in. Hue is a liar, and has lost all respect with the media and the fans. Except for some of you slow one.s
November 21st, 2011 at 2:12 pm
@icecube Ice Cube
Note to the NFL. Al Davis has passed away. DROP THE GRUDGE!
20 Nov
Retweeted by VittorioTafur
November 21st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
Jackson lies so yes,
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Based on what your intel…If you said you had true intel on what was going on then yeah may bite however, give some proof to what you are saying…
You saying coach Jackson and coach Saunders both lied with respect to DHB prove it…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
STFU Sandusky44!!!!!
You are not a Raider fan you are not allowed to say “WE”
Stupid degenerate!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
PGutierrezCSN “Are you kidding me? What for?” – @RAIDERS coach Jackson, when asked if he expected to be fined.
3 minutes ago
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Hue better be ready to dip into the “fine jar” just in case…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
166. NOT that thats what I’m sazying is happening. Just an exampl,e of the varibales and reasons why taking Coaches word for it is absurd.
Why the h**l would you need reporters and analysts of they just told everything straight up?
All part of the game
November 21st, 2011 at 2:14 pm
27 plays vs 17 or so? Who cares?
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So if he is benched as you said for TJ then why is he getting more time…lol
November 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
169. Clearly critical and deductive reasoning are beyond you.
No need to prove that.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Hue is like a out of control puppet, who suddenly found out his strings weren’t attached. He runs into walls. He says the dumbest things. He has no control of himself, or his team.
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Thought Hue gave you hope?
Who trolls as MR?
Weird.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Yesterday was and thanks to Fords injury Bey saw time after a benching.
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Ah no, yesterday was thanks to the doubling of DMO…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm
My take on McClain … I understand its his 2nd year, young guy thrown in the mix at a very key D position.
I never questioned his size, ability, etc…
The plays he doesn’t make have nothing to do with that.
To me, the plays he doesn’t make are a lack of effort, violence and aggression … wont matter if it year 1 or year 7, the kid plays soft for a MLB ina 4-3.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:15 pm
169. Clearly critical and deductive reasoning are beyond you.
No need to prove that.
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No what is clear is you make a statement, such as Coach Jackson is lying, and have no proof…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Gotta love Elway squashing all the “I won’t even say his name anymore” supporters.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thats the nature war. hes not going to come out and tell the world. “Hey, Bey sucks, Davis was wrong and hes gone at the end of the season.”
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So you are saying DHB is gone by the end of the season?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:20 pm
“To me, the plays he doesn’t make are a lack of effort, violence and aggression … wont matter if it year 1 or year 7, the kid plays soft for a MLB ina 4-3″
Tackling is a mentality (its more mental than physical in some ways) you have to want to bring another man down and bring him down hard!
If you do not have this inbreed into you it cannot be taught.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:21 pm
173. I never said he was benched for TJ but U don;t find it odd that Bey making plays as a possession receiver gets benched after they bring in a very non Raider slow, VETERAN possession receiver who stated “OAKLAND HAS FAST GUYS BUT NO ONE WHO CAN RUN THE UNDERNEATH ROUTES”?
Plus I already said, maybe after such a long absence TJ wasn’t up to cardio.
THE POINT, so you dont get distracted or derail with nit picked minutia is that Hue does not show his hand or divulge all the facts about anything within the org.
Players, personell, future contracts, personell decsions ect ect.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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couldn’t agree more!
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I disagree. Tuck rule comes to mind. There are a few games that VERY iffy calls or blatantly strange calls have kept going a drive that otherwise would’ve ended the game etc.
Obviously if we play so much better than the other team it don’t matter, but if it’s close and suddenly something that would’ve ended a drive now becomes a “pass interference” and they’re 35 yards down the field and it’s close and then they score when before they wouldn’t have that can definitely effect the outcome of a game. On a 3rd down sack that’s suddenly “unnecessary roughness” or some penalty it could change the whole outcome of a game. A fumble that isn’t really a fumble or a catch that’s deemed “incomplete” etc.
I could go on as I’ve seen it too many times change the outcome of games. And we’re not dominant enough to yet so it doesn’t matter at all.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:21 pm
173. I never said he was benched for TJ but U don;t find it odd that Bey making plays as a possession receiver gets benched after they bring in a very non Raider slow, VETERAN possession receiver who stated “OAKLAND HAS FAST GUYS BUT NO ONE WHO CAN RUN THE UNDERNEATH ROUTES”?
Plus I already said, maybe after such a long absence TJ wasn’t up to cardio.
THE POINT, so you dont get distracted or derail with nit picked minutia is that Hue does not show his hand or divulge all the facts about anything within the org.
Players, personell, future contracts, personell decsions ect ect.
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so if you read between the lines DWOW is gone by years end because he only got one pass thrown to him Sunday… DHB is a Raider and is gonna stay a Raider, get used to it
November 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
I still think I’d rather have Hagan than TJ. Hagan was also a good downfield blocker.
I think TJ is a worthless pickup (maybe one day I’ll eat my words, but I don’t think so).
November 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
“So you are saying DHB is gone by the end of the season?”
No way DHB is gone next year as he will make less than 1 Million next year and has already been paid tons of money. No reason to let him go after you paid him so much and now you are getting him on at a low cost.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
@RAIDERS coach Hue Jackson says @theDHB85 also had a concussion
2 minutes ago
November 21st, 2011 at 2:23 pm
Why not TJ? Ask Hue.
He’ll tell U a partial truth or lie to you.
Thats the nature war. hes not going to come out and tell the world. “Hey, Bey sucks, Davis was wrong and hes gone at the end of the season.”
or tell you “TJs a non factor cuz hes not physically ready so our next opponent won;’t have to worry about defending the under neath and chain moving pass plays as much.”
Think about it.
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this part of your convo is a laugher….
TJ is a non factor becuase he is not up to it yet Physically?
Then he cuts Hagan a guy that is productive and knows the play book and can handle the mid range stuff?
Coach Jackson want to win, why would he cut Hagan for TJ to sit him knowing Hagan has be producing.
during the Physical he would have know TJ was not ready.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Well put SliverandBlack
November 21st, 2011 at 2:24 pm
supporters.
180.Thec07 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:19 pm
Thats the nature war. hes not going to come out and tell the world. “Hey, Bey sucks, Davis was wrong and hes gone at the end of the season.”
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So you are saying DHB is gone by the end of the season?
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172.GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:13 pm
166. NOT that thats what I’m sazying is happening. Just an exampl,e of the varibales and reasons why taking Coaches word for it is absurd.
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So your saying thinking or reading comprehension not a strong suit.
Okay, I’m out…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Hue Jax lies?? Duh!!
ALL coaches lie…it’s in the job description. As such, it’s really not telling “lies,” it’s doing the job. If everybody knew what was in a coach’s head…the big picture…they’d see how he can’t tell it like it is every time.
Hue Jax has many more things to think about than some of the little things made bigger by the blogosphere.
BTW…TJ Hoosyermama doesn’t take away DHB’s plays.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Okay, I’m out…
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don’t come back
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
THE POINT, so you dont get distracted or derail with nit picked minutia is that Hue does not show his hand or divulge all the facts about anything within the org.
Players, personell, future contracts, personell decsions ect ect.
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Which is exaclty why you cannot definetively say he lied or not…Unless you are part of the org…Period.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
“I still think I’d rather have Hagan than TJ. Hagan was also a good downfield blocker.”
Hagan was a gunner on ST and a damn good one!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
I always thought someone should put together a film of all the cheap calls we have had over the years…then send them to the bookies, because it fs up the lines. If the NFL dosent fix it, the mob will.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:28 pm
we need 2 get our 4th qtr woes fix b4 December baby
1-nation!!!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Ohh, Hagan had been producing!
11 catches for 114 yds.
Yeah, I can see why he should’ve stayed.
Truth is, Hagan was not a Jackson pick. Its well documented by IBA that Jackson wanted TJ instead of Hagan and was over ruled.
You also have to wonder why a 6 yr vet like Hagan never caught on and why he’s still unemployed right now if hes so specdial?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:26 pm
“I still think I’d rather have Hagan than TJ. Hagan was also a good downfield blocker.”
Hagan was a gunner on ST and a damn good one!
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Faster, in good football condition, not injuried, and knows the play book.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
194. Hagan never made a tackle as a gunner.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Coaches don’t lie.They just don’t tell the whole truth-conveniently omit many things.Nothing wrong with that.You never want to reveal everything to your opponent.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Hahahahaha
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
193. Which is why evidence and data gathered from as many diverse sources as possible and culled down to which ones are more likely factual than not serve by a pre-ponderance of that eveidence that which is more likely true than not.
Whats your formula?
No wait, I already know.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
http://tfdssports.com/2011-articles/november/upon-further-review-does-hue-jackson-have-legitimate-gripe.html
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:29 pm
194. Hagan never made a tackle as a gunner.
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Question, i know Hagan was not a Coach pick however, why would you let him go for a guy like TJ?
I understand TJ knows the game, and will be a good influnece on the team however, what did him coming on board do to the chemistry of the WR corp?
Good or Bad?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:34 pm
RoMcClain?? McClain’s presence in the middle is HUGE. He doesn’t need to make as many tackles as some are demanding…he needs to be accounted-for on as many plays as possible. For the most part, McClain’s done a good job in that regard.
Would I like McClain to be a little more aggressive? Yes, but…not at the expense of being in the right place most of the time. If some of his detractors would look a little closer, they’d see the plays he makes. Other QB’s see what he can do…he occupies an immense amount of space, and moves in that space very well. McClain’s doing just fine for a 2nd-year pro…just short of Pro Bowl level.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:34 pm
200. EXACTLY
Which is why taking what they say as gospel, or many gospel is spurious at best 90% of the time
November 21st, 2011 at 2:35 pm
For what it’s worth, according to CBS crew, players told them Hue was one of the most honest coaches they had ever played for. That he scours waiver wire and tells them if they can’t get the job done, he will bring in someone who can.
Cool.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:35 pm
204. Too early to tell. Whats it been 2-3 wks?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:36 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:33 pm
193. Which is why evidence and data gathered from as many diverse sources as possible and culled down to which ones are more likely factual than not serve by a pre-ponderance of that eveidence that which is more likely true than not.
Whats your formula?
No wait, I already know.
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hahahahaha…I am in hear posting mostly daily.
The stuff that Jerry, becker, and steve put up in hear are mostly regurgitations of the Oakland Raiders pressers.
I also go to sites like PFT, NFL.com, for information and daily google searches regarding all news Raiders.
nice try though…
November 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Thec, thanks for having a civil conversation with me about football.
Enjoy the day and lets hope Bey and TJ have success this season.
Peace owt!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
While a lot of the penalties are legit some of the ones at crucial times are extremely suspect. The refs know if they make bad calls against the Raiders, they won’t get busted on NFL network or ESPN. If its a questionable call they make it against the Raiders. Theres a rule book for them and a rule book for the Raiders. If its not obvious then make up a rule no one has heard of. They would never make these kind of calls against the cowgirls or the expat riots. Glad to see Hue yanking up for the team
November 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
McClain is the second leading tackler on the team while having 2 bad wheels and missing a lot of playing time due to his injuries.Anyone who can’t see our defense is MUCH better when he plays must not be watching or doesn’t want to see what is happening.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
DHB?? Looks to me like he’s proved to Hue, and to CPalmer, that he’s up to the task, and can be trusted to catch the ball under many different circumstances. DHB has been answering the call all season, and that’s good for all of us.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
209. If you do so much research, why are you wrong?
Lates!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
“You also have to wonder why a 6 yr vet like Hagan never caught on and why he’s still unemployed right now if hes so specdial?”
Lito Sheppard was not wanted by the 31 other teams out there and he is now our starter.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:39 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:38 pm
209. If you do so much research, why are you wrong?
Lates!
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hahahaha…your opinion Bruh, however it was fum…lol
November 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
211. Yeah, I like to see refs wait to see if a plays going to be big or not them negate it with a late flag.
“Ooh! screen play stopped, no! DMC busts it for 24 yds! Better throw a phantom flag.”
November 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Sullivan, it’s a rule that when the ball comes out during a throwing motion. Jackass Brady cocked his arm forward, brought it back in, and Woodson bodyslammed his ugly ass.
You are a moron. Go somewhere else. You don’t like the Raiders, and I can’t stand your ignorant opinions.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Thec, thanks for having a civil conversation with me about football.
Enjoy the day and lets hope Bey and TJ have success this season.
Peace owt!
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I will, and you do the same…
1 NATION.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
216. Peace brah!
November 21st, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Beach,then ignore it and don’t feed it by responding which is what it craves.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:44 pm
It’s possible Hue might not have a great affinity for DHB, but I don’t think that’s the case.
It did seem that DHB was seeing less action, or at the very least wasn’t as actively involved for the last 2 weeks prior to yesterday’s game.
However, it appeared that he was playing quite a bit yesterday and performing quite well (with the exception of the jump ball through his hands). Made a nice grab and really strong YAC for a first down on one particular play that comes to mind.
Jacoby being out could have played a role in DHB’s reemergence.
No, I doubt that DHB was in Hue’s doghouse. Think it was more a funcction of Hue trying to determine exactly what role DHB is best suited for and also DHB getting on the same page as Palmer. With Ford out, Moore is the primary deep threat. DHB was envisioned as a deep threat, and he might eventually become one. He’s yet to show he can make over the shoulder grabs. At this point it appears he’s more suited to intermediate routes and passes that enable him to face the QB and utilize his strength for YAC. Not a pure posession receiver, which is probably what Hue was looking for, and why Houshbringsnada was brought into the fold.
I think DHB is going to have a good career with the Raids. Have my doubts about him, but unlike Corkran I see him as much more than the 6th best WR on the squad and a guy whose topside remains to be seen.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:44 pm
lefty12 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Beach,then ignore it and don’t feed it by responding which is what it craves.
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ROFLMAO….
November 21st, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Jerrymcd HueJax says DHB doing well. Wearing neck brace. Now it’s wait and see. Major tests have been done. Won’t rule out Sunday.
18 minutes ago
November 21st, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Lefty/Thec,
You are right. I will try harder not to respond anymore to the one who is not a Raider fan.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:50 pm
Is it likely that something isn’t quite right when for 30 years the Raids consistently are the most penalized team in the NFL ? Highly.
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The one constant in that equation is Al Davis. It may take years for that reputation to wear off.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:51 pm
“Sullivan, it’s a rule that when the ball comes out during a throwing motion. Jackass Brady cocked his arm forward, brought it back in, and Woodson bodyslammed his ugly ass.
You are a moron. Go somewhere else. You don’t like the Raiders, and I can’t stand your ignorant opinions.”
Great post I agree 100%
Nobody is more short sided and arrogantly wrong on a daily basis than Sandusky44
November 21st, 2011 at 2:52 pm
beach Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:40 pm
Sullivan, it’s a rule that when the ball comes out during a throwing motion. Jackass Brady cocked his arm forward, brought it back in, and Woodson bodyslammed his ugly ass.
You are a moron. Go somewhere else. You don’t like the Raiders, and I can’t stand your ignorant opinions.
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And you’re an idiot who can’t follow along. Even the Raiders said it’s a rule, but they’re not happy. Even Brady said it’s a rule, and he’s glad for it. Everyone who sees it says it sucks, but acknowledges it’s a rule that has been used many times. I notice you ignored my comments about it being called many times this year alone. That’s because you are slow, and takes you time to figure things out. Like most of the posters here. Hey, you’re Raider fans. goes along with the territory.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:52 pm
In the SD game DHB played almost every down on offense.The whole game the safety doubled or cheated to his side thereby leaving Moore in single coverage.Palmer attacked the single coverage.Yesterday they didn’t double him every play and Palmer threw him the ball.How can people say he is being phased out?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
November 21st, 2011 at 2:51 pm
“Sullivan, it’s a rule that when the ball comes out during a throwing motion. Jackass Brady cocked his arm forward, brought it back in, and Woodson bodyslammed his ugly ass.
You are a moron. Go somewhere else. You don’t like the Raiders, and I can’t stand your ignorant opinions.”
Great post I agree 100%
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Of course you follow along, OakGlenn. I’ve made you my bicch so many times you’ve lost count. Now get lost for a month, or I’ll be forced to remove you.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
The Real Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
The one constant in that equation is Al Davis. It may take years for that reputation to wear off.
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I said the same thing earlier. The problem is, you could more easily get away with it in the 70s and 80s. In today’s NFL, you have to be smarter. They will call everything, especially when you have a longtime reputation for dirty play.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Hue is thrilled DHB went down. He’s been trying to figure out how to bench him without getting all of your panties wadded. Him being injury prone took care of it for him. Team is better off with DHB in a brace. Just the way it is.
November 21st, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Al is gone. You all comprende’? That was the excuse you used all these years, that it’s payback against Al. Yeah, was weak, and pathetic, but still you ran it because it made you feel better. Well, now what’s the excuse? Amy annoy them? Marc’s surfer haircut bug them?
November 21st, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Check out the 49er board. It’s on fire. Great exchanges. Some of you should try it sometime.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:00 pm
The problem isn’t the officials calling penalties on us that are penalties or borderline penalties,the problem is they won’t or don’t call the same plays penalties against the teams we are playing.That is what HJ complained about.All anyone wants is a level playing field.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:00 pm
Ford and DHB won’t play, Chaz time to shine, Murphy get back on the vigra
November 21st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
For what it’s worth,HJ said he wouldn’t be surprised if DHB played this week.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Sandusky44
STFU your an inbreed moron that is deranged!
Not one person here likes you are cares to read your crap.
You are useless and reek of desperation.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:11 pm
TJ was a “pillow” move. It was done so to comfort palmer. I would rather have Hagan too, but lets get real, his 11 recieving yards and a few nice blocks weren’t amazing.
So get over it.
If DHB, or ford or someone went IR, then he would be signed.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Yeah I really really like Chaz Schilens, even tho he scultpures his eyebrows and prob hangs out in SF with jeff garcia, he is a good WR when healthy and put in postion to make plays, he makes them.
6′4 225, fast and huge vertical.
can’t ignore his great hands too.
because of his injury history we will never have to pay him more than minimum.
He is a great blocker too.
I always like to see him used in the red zone. Murphy has quickly become a special teamer and rotational WR.
November 21st, 2011 at 3:15 pm
I understand but realize that hagan was a damn good gunner especially on punts and the week after he was let go Denver ran a punt back for a TD.
I am agnostic to the move but I will say that Hagan was a very good gunner.
November 21st, 2011 at 4:00 pm
November 21st, 2011 at 12:39 pm
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
-Matt Giordano
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couldn’t agree more!
Really? I guess you guys never saw the Tuck rule game..Um , That game was won by the Raiders until Walt Coleman decided to dig thru his rule book a bit deeper. Oh I know, You guys knew all about the Tuck rule long before that play Because it gets called all the time. Right..Never called before, never called again. There are countless games we have lossed because of poor officiating. Those officials personally put the Vikings in position to score the first 7 points of the game Sunday with three bogus personal foul calls in a row. Last I checked, They would have punted on 4th and 20 instead of moving 15 yards closer to the goal line with a fresh set of downs. It amazes me that different players come in every year and we still own the flag contest every year. Its not because we are dirty, its because we are looked at alot closer. Benefit of the doubt goes against us every single time. Other teams get the benefit of the doubt. If you havent noticed, you arent watching.
November 21st, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Raiderhaterhater,
The tuck rule also was enforced in the NFL playoff game on January 9, 2011 between the Kansas City Chiefs and the Baltimore Ravens.
The tuck rule was also enforced on October 2nd, 2011 during a game between the Buffalo Bills and the Cincinnati Bengals. When the Bengals Andy Dalton was tackled by two Bills defenders and the ball was returned for a touchdown by the Bills Bryan Scott. After reviewing the play, the officials ruled that Andy Dalton was tucking the ball, reversing the touchdown and giving the Bengals control of the ball.
The tuck rule was also enforced on October 30, 2011 during a game between the Seattle Seahawks and the Cincinnati Bengals. Andy Dalton started into his throwing motion but decided not to throw the pass. The ball came out of his hand and traveled backwards striking the umpire. Dalton fell on the ball at the one yard line but it was later ruled an incomplete pass.
Now apologizing for being so stupid.
November 22nd, 2011 at 3:57 am
I’ve never seen a ref lose or win a game
dumbass remember the tuck rule game
November 22nd, 2011 at 6:15 am
Thanks Hue for finally saying something, it may not help at all, but at least they knew were aware.
November 22nd, 2011 at 6:47 am
Hue way to go! Sticking up for the team, goes a long ways in that locker room! Been a fan since 74 and can’t remember when we weren’t tops on the penalty list or near the top.
Always been the norm, but seems like the officials use it as an excuse to get airtime…
We have all been waiting a long time for this kind of a start!
I have been reminding the nay sayers (Dolts, Chefs, Pony Fans) of “Al’s” brilliance with the picks… Yes!!!!
Props to Hue for saving our season, and making us viable contenders again!
I leave you with “Just Win Baby”!!!!
November 22nd, 2011 at 8:40 am
Hey dumb -ss sully dude the Tuck rule was
Taken out of the rule book The following year. Try again just because you think they were similar plays they were not called by the tuck rule. 6-4 Dumb-ss deal with it your gay boys across the bay will fold like a tent. Sorry specitar Boy
February 5th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
teeth…
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