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Pre-practice notes

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, November 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am in Oakland Raiders.

Defensive tackle Richard Seymour joined his teammates for warmups and drills Friday, making it possible he could increase last week’s rule as an interior lineman in passing situations.

Defensive end Lamarr Houston was on the field for the second straight day, meaning Oakland could be in decent shape along the defensive line in terms of health.

As for the wounded corps of wide receivers, Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford looked as if they were doing next to nothing. Moore spent the early part of the session doing some very low impact drills with trainer Rod Martin. Darrius Heyward-Bey is the most likely of the three to play, as he had his helmet on and was catching some passes during drills.

Brian McCann looks to be the primary punt returner, with T.J. Houshamdzadeh also getting some work in that area just in case.

Running back Darren McFadden wasn’t at practice and Taiwan Jones was a spectator.

When he is declared “out” later today, it means McFadden will have missed a quarter of the season. Even if he were to return to the practice field next week, he’d be a highly unlikely participant against Miami after missing so much time. Figure he’d need at least a week of practice to be ready to go in a game.

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  • Just Fire Baby

    Mcfadden has had more games in sweatpants than good games. The only reason we shouldn’t trade him is because we wouldn’t get shat for him.

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  • silverback

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 1:35 pm
    Mcfadden has had more games in sweatpants than good games. The only reason we shouldn’t trade him is because we wouldn’t get shat for him.
    —-
    Still an incredible talent though.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Marshall Faulk is a HOFer, never missedmany games and was in the prime of his career and was traded for 1 second round pick.

    Mcfadden MIGHT get us a 3rd rounder and i would rather just keep him and hope he doesn’t have Yao Ming feet.

  • VanHeathen

    Post#46… right on point!
    I want DMac here until he’s done,
    kid is a straight up BEAST!
    CODE BLACK

  • Just Fire Baby

    No doubt when Mcfadden is “on” he is one of the best in the biz.

    But right now he could have played 58 career games and has been “on” in about 12 of them.

  • olinesux

    has dmac been hanging around chaz?

  • silverback

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
    No doubt when Mcfadden is “on” he is one of the best in the biz.

    But right now he could have played 58 career games and has been “on” in about 12 of them.
    —-
    Most unfortunate and very disappointing.

  • mcfadden20.

    DMC will retire as a Raider .. Print that sh!t

  • RaiderSean

    5 yards each carry, 10 yards for each catch.

    Ya haters think ya can find that production around the corner?

    Pluuuuuueeeease.

  • silverback

    Love McFadden just gotta accept that he has been injury prone. What is the average career length for a RB its like 4 yrs. All teams try to maintain depth at the position for good reason.

  • RaiderSean

    Jason La Canfora of NFL.com reports that Darren McFadden is expected to miss this week’s game and is not likely to play next week either.

    Looks like Green Bay is when he comes back. We’re gonna need all the firepower we can in that game.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Last years leading rusher was undrafted. The last month the Nfls two leading rushers are two 4th rounders (Bush and rookie Murray). Last years postseasons leading rusher was also undrafted.

    Not a knock on a Darren, but running backs are the most easily replaced and you can find guys in mid rounds like Forte or undrafted guys like Foster, Fred Jackson and Starks.

  • RaiderSean

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    Last years leading rusher was undrafted. The last month the Nfls two leading rushers are two 4th rounders (Bush and rookie Murray). Last years postseasons leading rusher was also undrafted.

    Not a knock on a Darren, but running backs are the most easily replaced and you can find guys in mid rounds like Forte or undrafted guys like Foster, Fred Jackson and Starks.

    Dude, speak your piece, but that’s a double negative. Your opinion is a knock on Darren.

  • Just Fire Baby

    There was zero opinion in my post, it was all stats and facts.

  • silverback

    Love the star power and eye candy of McFaddens game. Early in his career many here wanted him lined up wide more. Maybe it would help him stay on the field more.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    No Suh and now Javid Best going to IR.

  • Seymour Bush

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
    Last years leading rusher was undrafted. The last month the Nfls two leading rushers are two 4th rounders (Bush and rookie Murray). Last years postseasons leading rusher was also undrafted.
    ============================================

    Yes, but let’s be honest here. Guys like DeAngelo Williams, Adrian Peterson, Thomas Jones, Tomlinson were all high draft choices. And post season numbers are a bit skewed because starters have played 16-20 NFL games and are beaten up and then in comes some fresh back. Remember Timmy Smith in the Super Bowl versus Dungver? The guy had 200 yards in the Super Bowl and never played again. The Redskins must’ve found him in the parking lot and suited him up.

  • http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Al_Davis The Realist Dirty Raccoon

    I dislike Bush sometimes because he leaves too many yards on the field, and never seems to run Angry, or “Plow” a pile. BUT, he is necessary to the long term success of this team. McFaddy/Bush/Jones and Moore, Ford, Bey, with Palmer = awesome Offense!

    Sign Bush NOW!

  • Just Fire Baby

    Mcfadden, to me, is a lot like Andrew Bynum.

    When healthy they are unique talents who dominate often and are one of the best at their position.

    But the notion of either playing every game in a season is a pipe dream.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Timmy Smith was a coke dealer lol.

  • RaiderSean

    Not a knock on a Darren, but running backs are the most easily replaced and you can find guys in mid rounds like Forte or undrafted guys like Foster, Fred Jackson and Starks.

    Running backs are the most easily replaced. Opinion. Not fact. You can say that for Special Teams. Special Teams are the most easily replaceable.

    Forte was drafted in the 2nd round. He wasn’t a mid-round pick, he was a high draft pick. That’s a fact. 44th overall.

    Arian Foster is an outlier. A lot of undrafted Running Backs ride the bench.

    Fred Jackson just broke his leg. Looks like someone has worse conditioning than DMC afterall? Hmmm

    Starks is Ryan Grant’s backup.

    How replaceable is Michael Turner on the Atlanta Falcons? Or Chris Johnson for the Titans? How about Ray Rice for Baltimore? Adrian Peterson for Minny? Frank Gore for 49ers?

    I can keep goin, there’s a couple more. I happen to agree to disagree about the Running Back opinion. Much respect, to each his own.

  • Seymour Bush

    And Bush NEVER should have been a 4th rounder. He was a guy who had the early lead in the Heisman going into his last collegiate season. His last game he had like 11 carries for 143 yards and 2 TD’s. In the lst half!!! I don’t know if any of you saw this, but in the Dungver game here, on a sweep left, Bush and the lead back see the Dungver LB Woodyard and plow into him, sending him out of the game. Woodyard was the KY LB that broke Mike’s leg.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Chris Johnson is looking very easily replaced. The year he ran for 2k they started 0-10.

    Now that he is like 130th in the league in rushing they are fighting for a playoff spot.

  • JLofty

    I LOVE it when you people are arguing actual football….

  • SilverLining20

    Marcel Reece is about to speak on Around the League on NFL Network.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Ryan Grant is another great example.

    What was he?

    4th or 5th rounder I believe.

  • JLofty

    Not sure I’d trade DMC, but I would certainly lean towards signing Bush. Taiwan seems like a project and is awfully undersized for the NFL. Doesn’t really have a long durability track record either….

  • JLofty

    The RB question is both are correct. Plenty of greatness drafted high, plenty of greatness UFA. Fact.
    Question is, durability. How long can a RB play at the high level DMAC is capable of? Does his injury rest prolong his career? Does he reward Huge/Raiders for keeping him off the field when he’s hurt now, when time comes to sign up again?

  • RaiderSean

    @JLofty

    Yea, Taiwan is a project. He does have a Mewelde Moore, Kevin Faulk potential. Reliable third down back, 5 carries a game and a hard worker on special teams.

  • RaiderSean

    If CJ2K fades into the sunset, I’ll tip my hat to you and I’ll be the first to say you’re were right all along.

    The Jury is still out on him. His line was disgruntled he held out and haven’t been controlling the gaps, the same gaps Johnson had last year. Part of it is on him for holding out and not being conditioned.

    I’m giving Johnson another year before he’s written off, new coach, new offense, and Chris Johnson needs a better QB than Matt ‘talk a big game and choke on my own sputum’ Hasselback.

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzpowxGfVFE

    This is Chris Johnson’s QB afterall.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Look at the top 10 rb’s right now.

    Couple 1st rounders, couple undrafted guys , two 2nd rounders and the rest 3rd,4th,5th rounders.

  • Seymour Bush

    JLofty Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 2:28 pm

    The RB question is both are correct. Plenty of greatness drafted high, plenty of greatness UFA. Fact.
    ==========================================

    I think you can say that with any position tho. Peyton Manning and Jamarcus Russell: overall number one picks. Tom Brady 6th Rounder. Tony Romo and Matt Moore from yesterday’s game: Undrafted. Richard Seymour lst rounder. Tommie Kelly undrafted. Tony Gonzalez: lst Rounder. Antonio Gates undrafted.

  • Raiders for life

    Problem is…when DMAC comes back healthy then everyone will start questioning Bush’s abilities.
    Keep em both and let T.Jones learn from them. Hopefully Jones bulks up a little and developes into another really good Raider RB.

  • YoungAmerican

    Michael Turner was a 5th rounder, as well. Pierre Thomas was undrafted. Plenty of productive 2nd and 3rd-round RBs in the league as well.

    For me the question isn’t whether McFadden is a good player or not, or whether the Raiders could immediately find someone anywhere near as dynamic. The questions are:

    1) do the Raiders think it’s reasonable to re-sign McFadden after his contract is done, assuming they’ll get +/- 8 games a season from him.

    2) if the answer to #1 is no, is it a better move for the Raiders long-term to explore trade options to get A) salary cap relief and B) additional draft picks.

    3) can the Raiders find a RB capable of being a solid contributor to insert alongside Michael Bush for 12-16 games per season, rather than a dynamic (although not completely unstoppable) player for 6-10 games per season?

    Best case scenario for the Raiders is McFadden re-structuring his contract. But as I’ve said before, given McFadden’s production when healthy, his track record of injury, and the already-short shelf life of NFL running backs, I’m not sure that’s going to be possible.

  • Seymour Bush

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 2:24 pm

    Ryan Grant is another great example.

    What was he?

    4th or 5th rounder I believe.
    ==================================

    Grant went undrafted. The NY Giants initially signed him.

  • Seymour Bush

    I wonder if McFadden is watching Arkansas v LSU? hehehehe.

  • RaiderSean

    LOL

  • BewareofRaiders

    Damn if only we had a first round pick. I like the kid matteiu from Lsu

  • Wowo

    silverback Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
    Rob_raider Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    yeah, love how jerry is trying to anticipate trouble here with dmc. give it a rest man. if he comes back for next week’s practice, he’ll play. it’s not preseason, idiot.

    McFadden probably won’t give Jerry the time of day and this is the way he extracts his revenge.
    _____________________________________________

    Some people on this blog are so ignorant..
    I’m sure Jerry has more of an idea about DMAC’s status then you two.
    And I will definately put more faith in what Jerry says rateher than your unfounded opinions on DMAC’s health

  • baumraiders

    Hum…..
    James Harrison was Undrafted
    Tommy Kelly Undrafted
    Arian Foster Undrafted
    Kurt Warner was undrafted
    Wes Welker undrafted
    Antonio Gates was undrafted
    Tom Brady was a 6th round pick
    So you can find some gems at lower rounds or not being drafted at all.
    So Tom Brady has 4 superbowl Wins, and Carson Palmer was the 1st overall pick and has 0 superbowls. Both have been injured. Should we get rid of him because you can always find replacements at lower round in the draft (just as an example, you can do this for every position).

  • RaiderSean

    Mathieu is only a sophmore, I don’t think he’s coming out this year. And if he is good for him, he’s gonna have a long career.

  • RaidaNation02

    I understand the reasoning for Hue not letting the press know whats wrong with his players but Now It has me going crazy about Dmac…

  • RaiderSam

    Seymour Bush Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
    rob_raider Says:
    November 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm

    trade dmc? stupidity defined.
    =======================================

    Someone was bringing up the buy low sell high mentality with regards to Dmac. In other words his value may never be higher than it is right now. Problem with that logic is we paid an overall number 4 for him. Is anyone going to give us HIGHER than that? Like, Indy is going to give us their overall number one, Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeny AND next years lst rounder?? Not likely. Bill Polian is running their drafts not Mike Ditka.

    One thing about McFadden I see none of you seem to mention is how he brings a mean physicality out there that our team sorely needs. McFadden is not above getting into scraps with the opponents, he is a devastating blocker and a hard physical runner. None of that shows up on a stat sheet. When you are trying to build a physical mean team, how much is that worth?

    ====================

    Its worth a lot – but when that physicality is mixed with a durability issue, it negates DMC’s value to the team. You can’t be built like Fred Jackson, but run like Adrian Peterson. He has to realize his value and protect himself. His value would never be higher, and if we send him to an NFC team, say the Dallas Cowboys, what value do we get back? How about to Jacksonville? what value of packages could we get (maybe…Maurice Jones-Drew straight up? or a package of picks -) what could we get in the draft…could a number of players that have to learn the system, start and contribute right away replace a guy who is a touchdown every time he plays?

    Its a risk-reward situation, and we don’t have a GM in place yet. We have to figure that part first.

  • raidermarty

    There are alot of good running backs in the league but only a couple of game changers. MCFADDEN is a game changer so you just got to take the bad with the good. When he finally gets healthy he’ll be back to dominate>
    RAIDERS!!!!!

  • riraider

    Need to trade Dmac..He is a waste……………

  • riraider

    I hope they can get a 2nd rnd 2012 pick for his sorry A_ss

  • riraider

    You don’t have to take the good with the bad?????..You are a complete MORON.

  • riraider

    Nobody & I mean nobody is above the team..

  • country312

    way to just win baby. Go Raiders.