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Raiders lose, Broncos win, tied atop AFC West

By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 4th, 2011 at 2:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.

The Raiders lost more than a game Sunday, with their 34-14 shellacking at the hands of the Miami Dolphins. They also lost their one-game lead in the AFC West, thanks to yet another chapter of Tim Tebow’s late-game heroics.
The Broncos rallied from several deficits against the Minnesota Vikings, including 29-21 and 32-29 scores in the fourth quarter, for a 35-32 victory that moved them into a tie with the Raiders in the AFC West.
The Broncos and Raiders are 7-5, with four games to play. The way the Raiders played Sunday, it’s not a stretch to envision the Raiders trailing the Broncos by one game a week from today, given the Raiders play the undefeated Green Bay Packers on the road, and the Broncos play the ailing Chicago Bears.
It’s too early to get into tiebreakers between the Raiders and Broncos, but the thing to keep an eye on is the teams’ records in common games. That is, their eight games against the AFC East and NFC North.
If the Raiders and Broncos wind up tied in the division and have identical records against divisional foes, the next tiebreak would be records against common opponents.
As of now, the Raiders are 3-3, the Broncos 3-2. In other words, it isn’t looking good for the Raiders in that regard.
For the record, the Raiders final four games are, in order: at Green Bay, vs. the Detroit Lions, at the Kansas City Chiefs, vs. the San Diego Chargers.
The Broncos play the Chicago Bears and New England Patriots at home, followed by a road game against the Buffalo Bills and a home game against the Chiefs.

PENALTIES RESURFACE
The Raiders appeared to have a handle on the season-long penalties issue when they committed only six for 44 yards against the Bears a week ago. Not so fast.
On Sunday, the Raiders committed 10 for 91 yards, right about their averages in both categories entering the game.
Right offensive tackle Khalif Barnes led the way with three for 25, including two holding infractions that wiped out receptions by wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey.
A pass interference penalty on cornerback Stanford Routt gave the Dolphins a first-and-goal at the Raiders 1-yard line and keyed their first touchdown.

SEYMOUR EJECTED … AGAIN
Raiders defensive tackle Richard Seymour got ejected from the game and flagged with a 15-yard penalty for delivering a left cross to the jaw of Dolphins offensive lineman Richie Incognito.
This marks the second straight season in which Seymour has been ejected from a game late in the season for losing his temper and taking it out on an opposing player.
Last season, Seymour got ejected for hitting Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger in the head after a Steelers touchdown.

WHERE’S REECE?
Fullback Marcel Reece carved up the Bears a week ago, slicing his way through the Bears defense for 92 yards on five receptions.
He rushed one time for 10 yards and caught one pass for 38 yards against the Dolphins, but both plays didn’t happen until the fourth quarter, when the Raiders trailed 34-7.

BUSH TRIMMED BY DOLPHINS
Raiders coach Hue Jackson said earlier this week that he didn’t see any signs of running back Michael Bush wearing down as a result of 84 carries the past three games.
On Sunday, Bush looked nothing like the player who amassed 530 yards rushing in place of injured starter Darren McFadden the five games before Sunday.
The Dolphins held Bush to 18 yards on 10 carries, with a long of 3 yards. This was reminiscent of last season, when the Dolphins limited the Raiders to 16 yards rushing.
Reggie Bush was, by far, the better Bush on the field Sunday. The Dolphins running back rushed for 100 yards and one touchdown on 22 carries.

MCCLAIN CLEARED TO PLAY
Jackson said he intended to sort through all the information he received about middle linebacker Rolando McClain’s arrest Thursday before making a decision on whether McClain would be allowed to play Sunday.
Ultimately, Jackson allowed McClain to play, though we don’t know the rationale. It’s likely that Jackson heard something in McClain’s account that led him to believe McClain isn’t guilty as charged.
Time will tell, of course.
As it stands, McClain is due in court in the coming weeks to answer to four misdemeanor charges, including third-degree assault, for an incident in Decatur, Ala., in which an acquaintance of McClain’s accused him of punching him, holding a gun to his head and firing the gun near his ear.
McClain has yet to comment publicly on the matter. His lawyer said Friday that McClain is innocent of the charges.
McClain led the Raiders with eight tackles, including one for a loss.

DOLPHINS RUSH PAST RAIDERS
It’s as simple as looking at the opponents’ rushing line if you want to know how the Raiders fared this season.
They allowed an average of 209.3 yards rushing in the four games they lost this season, an average of 93 per game in their seven victories.
On Sunday, the Dolphins rushed for 209 yards on 44 carries. That effort is going to push the Raiders toward last in the league against the run.
The Raiders entered Sunday’s game 27th at an average of 135.3 per game. That figure soared to 141.7. They are last in the league at an average of 5.3 yards per carry.

FOURTH-QUARTER BLUES GONE
The Raiders went five straight games without scoring any points in the fourth quarter. They ended that drought last Sunday, with a late touchdown against the Bears.
On Sunday, the Raiders scored all of their points in the fourth quarter. Unfortunately for the Raiders, they trailed by 34 at that time.

PALMER STRUGGLES
Carson Palmer seemed to be in a groove entering the Dolphins game, based on solid outings in three straight victories. Yet, Sunday he never looked comfortable against the Dolphins defense.
He had one pass intercepted that got overturned because of a Dolphins penalty. The one intercpetion that counted was returned for a touchdown.
Palmer completed 20 of 41 passes for 276 yards and two touchdowns. However, most of that came in garbage time, with the Raiders down 34-0 and the outcome a foregone conclusion.

ODDS AND ENDS
Left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer allowed a sack and got called for a holding penalty on another play that likely would have yielded a sack.
Such is life in the NFL, where left tackles face the team’s best pass rusher almost every game and there isn’t any time for a breather.
As coach Jackson says, If you take a breath, you’re getting beat.
Heyward-Bey caught three passes, including one that went for a touchdown on a nice one-handed catch. He would have posted pretty gaudy stats were it not for the two Barnes holding penalties.
Chaz Schilens added six receptions for 89 yards, and he is looking more and more like the player who showed such great promise his rookie season.
Cornerback Chris Johnson appeared in a game for the first time since Oakland’s fourth game. His performance was a mixed bag. He made a great play on a deep pass but got burned for a long gain on another pass in man coverage.
Sebastian Janikowski wasn’t called upon for any field-goal attempts Sunday, one week after he kicked a franchise record six field goals.

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  • Method To My Madness

    1248.fingers Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    Heard the Texans RB ‘ foster” say on the NFl channel last week that he though the Raiders were the best team they played this year… And that’s what makes yesterday game so hard to take……. This team isn’t as bad as the team we saw yesterday… They just didn’t want it bad enough..

    *************

    Wait wait….you talking about When JC and Tonga were our starters and beat them on road? Go figure….ill be back in a minute lmao

  • fingers

    I’m not sure I’ve ever seen a team that can have such highs and lows…. The Raiders biggest fault is being consistent… Big time… These guys are allover the place

  • bcz24

    Hagan is better than TJ and Murphy…raiders still havent found a guy to move chains as Hagan did….this is fact you guys cant dispute
    ******************
    I can dispute it. We have gotten LOTS of first downs without Derek Hagan. I can’t believe we are still even having this conversation. NICK MILLER has been more productive since leaving us than Hagan. Just a little FYI.

  • Method To My Madness

    Derek Hagan only netted one catch that game vs Houston….went for a first down….go figure right? hahahahahahahaha

  • bcz24

    Coughlin has clout…Gailey doesnt, he has always been a moronic person…plus see NY’s WR unit?
    ****************
    The only WR on NYs roster right now that was there when they cut Hagan is Nicks.

  • Method To My Madness

    1253.bcz24 Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
    Hagan is better than TJ and Murphy…raiders still havent found a guy to move chains as Hagan did….this is fact you guys cant dispute
    ******************
    I can dispute it. We have gotten LOTS of first downs without Derek Hagan. I can’t believe we are still even having this conversation. NICK MILLER has been more productive since leaving us than Hagan. Just a little FYI.
    ************

    No you didnt dispute a fkin thing…name the mthfker at WR who is chain mover on 3rd down….you cant and you wont…just sit there and lie ok

  • DMAC

    It’s def. been a roller coaster ride this season.
    Hopefully it stops on top and not at the bottom.

  • SnB offense defense specialteams

    DMAC lookin a lot like Chaz on the reliability front. Becoming a serious issue non-contact injuries that are recurring

  • sirblitzalot

    Hue has made some great moves with Palmer, Curry and Sheppard. A very questionable move with Hagan. And Satale, the little Samoan that could, is overachieving but he get tossed around like a toy doll sometimes. That has not ever happened to Wiz. Coach needs to recognize this and move wiz to center and Heyer to gaurd. But Hues most critical mistake, was letting inmate #55 leave to his grampa’s funeral without a police escort. That poor judgement cost the Raiders this season. What a shame. #55 should be cut immediately. He is worse than Randy Moss. How many championship rings does Moss have?

  • bcz24

    Sorry B but you dont know a god damn thing about football if you think not having Derek Hagan on our roster yesterday caused us to lose. You are grasping at straws. Period.

  • fingers

    Foster was ask… Who stands out to you…. He said the Raiders…. That’s all I’m saying …I remember Foster giving props to the whole team…. He used the word ” tough”….

  • Method To My Madness

    1255.bcz24 Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
    Coughlin has clout…Gailey doesnt, he has always been a moronic person…plus see NY’s WR unit?
    ****************
    The only WR on NYs roster right now that was there when they cut Hagan is Nicks.

    *****************

    Manningham…..Cruz….eventho he aint that great Barden? Were there lol

  • Method To My Madness

    1260.bcz24 Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Sorry B but you dont know a god damn thing about football if you think not having Derek Hagan on our roster yesterday caused us to lose. You are grasping at straws. Period.

    ***********

    No you dont know a damn thing if you think that cutting him wasnt the stupidest coward schit move ever by Hue….knowing damn well Al was against it

    do you understand the forces of nature are aty work here? Dont you know what goes around comes around…I told all you smart asses this the week of denver game….boy did it show up on us? Hell yeah it did!

  • Method To My Madness

    Bcz…name our good route runner on this team….Chaz was decent now he is done…ford,moore and dhb aint crisp in their routes….TJ is invisible and Murphy fkin sucks

  • Method To My Madness

    1259.sirblitzalot Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
    Hue has made some great moves with Palmer, Curry and Sheppard. A very questionable move with Hagan. And Satale, the little Samoan that could, is overachieving but he get tossed around like a toy doll sometimes. That has not ever happened to Wiz. Coach needs to recognize this and move wiz to center and Heyer to gaurd. But Hues most critical mistake, was letting inmate #55 leave to his grampa’s funeral without a police escort. That poor judgement cost the Raiders this season. What a shame. #55 should be cut immediately. He is worse than Randy Moss. How many championship rings does Moss have?

    ******************

    Exactly

  • fingers

    It’s was no 1 player that lost yesterday’s game ….Offense, defense , punt coverage stunk yesterday…… Thought DHB played hard…

  • raiderinparadise

    Ford can run routes very very well imo.

  • DMAC

    fingers Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:12 pm

    Foster was ask… Who stands out to you…. He said the Raiders…. That’s all I’m saying …I remember Foster giving props to the whole team…. He used the word ” tough”….
    =========

    I think Foster grew up a Raider fan. He said his dad was a big fan back in the day. (just saying tho)

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Exactly.

    Hue said he wanted TJ in the off season but Al wanted Hagan. As soon as Al passed Hue whipped out his crank and started poking people with it.

    I think Marc or Amy reeled this fool in soon after that.
    ____________

    Method To My Madness Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:13 pm

    No you dont know a damn thing if you think that cutting him wasnt the stupidest coward schit move ever by Hue….knowing damn well Al was against it

  • Method To My Madness

    And Hue and that monstrous ego is screwing the Raiders…Bcz, Hagan is just a part of Hue’s blunders….how about not recognizing the oline issues and sitting satele’s ass down? How about refusing to play Tonga? How about not showing halftime adjustments? The guy is fkin up terribly and you cant deny this

    The losses are on Hue….this team should be 9-3….no excuses at all!

  • REALLIONAIREB

    yall killing me here with the mc55 distraction bid

    was i the only one that seen dat that this team fail to even compete…this was worst than the Giants dee quitting against the Saints monday nite…no one on the dee played like they were inspired for 60mins…not even curry and he always pumped…but not even him…so its Mc55 fault…guess the dee said “man Mclain got in trouble there goes my will to tackle and give 100%”

    Mclain seem 2 be da only one playin with a sense of urgency(guess he owed it to the team tho)

    now the bright side

    Raiders always play tough afta an unispired effort or a let down game

    One Nation

    Unda God

  • fingers

    Dmac… I believe your correct… I remember Foster saying his Dad was a Raider fan..

  • silverback

    Fingers Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
    Heard the Texans RB ‘ foster” say on the NFl channel last week that he though the Raiders were the best team they played this year… And that’s what makes yesterday game so hard to take……. This team isn’t as bad as the team we saw yesterday… They just didn’t want it bad enough..
    —-
    Is this good news or bad news?

  • Silverandblack666

    “Hagan is better than TJ and Murphy…raiders still havent found a guy to move chains as Hagan did….this is fact you guys cant dispute”

    So true!

    Murphy has gone from a good prospect to playing scared with alligator arms!

  • hwnrdr

    1270.Method To My Madness Says:
    December 5th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
    And Hue and that monstrous ego is screwing the Raiders…Bcz, Hagan is just a part of Hue’s blunders….how about not recognizing the oline issues and sitting satele’s ass down? How about refusing to play Tonga? How about not showing halftime adjustments? The guy is fkin up terribly and you cant deny this

    The losses are on Hue….this team should be 9-3….no excuses at all!

    I agree except for the last sentence…we should be at least 10-2, if not 11-1…Hue making Boller throw all the time against KC was just friggen wrong!

  • bg22958

    umm we beat NYJ Houston and Chi and Denver 1st game, so try again.

    —————————————————–

    Ok… The Jets are not as physical up front this year as they would like to believe. Chicago, Houston, and Denver we barely beat (not to mention we beat a week 1 Denver team). Do you really think we bullied any of those teams other than the Broncos and Jets (who have been pushed around by more than a few teams)?

    Texans are a physical front = D McFadden 51 yrds
    Chicago has a physcial front = M Bush 69 yrds
    Miami has a physical front = 18 yrds

    What do you think we could really do against teams like Baltimore or Pittsburgh?

    No reason to try to make a valid point again. If we are going to win by “building a bully” than we still have some building to do. Till then we will have a hard time beating teams that are more physical than us.

  • Pretty Rick

    These are the Raiders that I hate with passion,,the Raiders that comes out and lays an egg in a game they really shouldve won and really needed to win. The team with a ton of talent but without an ounce of brains, heart or competitiveness as well as discipline. This team hasn’t developed the mental toughness it takes to fight their way back into a game trailing by a large score, nor have they developed a killer instinct to put teams away instead of allowing them back into games then having it to come down to the wire. It drives me crazy to see that we appear to be the most injury prone team in the NFL. Every year this team gets submerged in injuries and I ask myself why the conditioning coach can’t seem to keep this team healthy. I believe we have more talent than most teams we play but they just seem to always outsmart us and remain more disciplined than us which is why we lose games in the worse way sometimes. I originally picked the Raiders to be the ones to hand Green Bay their first loss but I just can’t see it happening with the way we’ve been playing lately,,Jeckle and Hyde all year.

    Venting.

  • autopalm77

    WHEN YOU PULL YOUR CRANK OUT TO WAVE IT AROUND YOU BETTER BE ABLE TO FIND IT…..FIRST…..

  • nyRaider_justwin

    For the few that felt from my original post#280 “I am a quitter” – and I state Realist.

    Read more: Raiders no longer in control of playoff destiny
    Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story

    The moment they lost this game – and Denver won – probability of an off season appearance drastically started to fall off. Granted there are still four games left, and anything can happen – but as it stands now – Denver holds the cards – so until I see Tebow Time falter (and I hope it does as I really don’t want to see another 1 hour special on the guy)we can win games but that won’t be enough. We had the chance and dropped the ball – which to much dismay has been the same old story for the last 10 years. Don’t get me wrong – two more wins – which we should at least get – will get us a winning season – a positive ending. I just expect more from this team and unfortunately as previously mentioned its been Jeckle and Hyde.

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