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Broncos in control of AFC West after Raiders loss

The Raiders lost more than a football game Sunday afternoon, when they got shellacked by the undefeated Green Bay Packers, 46-16. They also dropped out of a tie for first place with the Denver Broncos in the AFC West.
The Broncos rallied from a 10-0, fourth-quarter deficit for a 13-10 overtime victory over the Chicago Bears. The Broncos have surged from 2-5 to 8-5 and into sole possession of first place with three games to play.
The sequence of events Sunday places added emphasis on the Raiders game against the Detroit Lions next Sunday. They have to like their chances of moving back into a tie for first place if they win that game, given the Broncos host the New England Patriots.
Then again, don’t rule out anything when it comes to the Broncos as long as they are quarterbacked by Tim Tebow. Also, the Raiders have too many problems of their own to worry about without keeping tabs on the Broncos.
For one, scoring points that mean something. The Raiders fell behind 34-0 on Sunday for the second straight game before they scored.
Overall, the Raiders lost to the Miami Dolphins and Packers 80-30 the past two weeks. None of those points scored by the Raiders meant anything, given the outcomes long since had been decided.
The Raiders margin for error is gone. They can’t afford another game like the past two or else it might be time to shift the focus toward 2012.

MCCLAIN’S MIXED BAG
Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain played a pivotal role in Packers first two touchdowns, which set the tone for a day of blown assignments, undisciplined play, missed tackles, etc.
McClain ran into his own man and got out of position on a 47-yard run by Packers running back Ryan Grant for the first scoring of the game.
On the Packers’ next drive, McClain failed to spot tight end Ryan Taylor in the end zone, looking around for someone, anyone, to cover. By the time he realized Taylor was the man to cover, Rodgers had completed the pass to Taylor for his first NFL reception.
McClain finished with two sacks, including one that yielded a safety, but they came long after the game had been decided.

PENALTIES ABOUND
The Raiders committed 11 penalties for 89 yards Sunday. Guess that’s an issue that isn’t going away anytime soon, regardless what coach Jackson says about getting it corrected.
The Raiders still are on a pace for a record number of penalties and penalty years through 13 games. The Kansas City Chiefs own both records, with 158 for 1,304 in 1998.
Defensive end Lamarr Houston jumped offsides twice and committed a clip on a fumble return in a particularly forgettable performance.
At this rate, it’s safe to assume that the Raiders are going to have to find ways to win in spite of a slew of penalties. If they haven’t corrected the problem by now, there’s little hope of it happening in the final three weeks.

PALMER STRUGGLES
Carson Palmer calls Lambeau Field his favorite place to play. Not sure if he still feels that way after having four of his 42 passes intercepted and finishing with a 42.4 passer rating.
Palmer’s first interception set the tone for what was going to be one of his worst games. He eluded a sack by linebacker Clay Matthews, rolled right and threw for Darrius Heyward-Bey, who was in the middle of four defenders in a diamond shaped.
That set up the Packers first touchdown. Palmer now has 13 interceptions this season, which is cause for concern.
Things figure to get easier for Palmer in the coming weeks, if not next Sunday, with the expected return of wide receivers Jacoby Ford (foot) and Denarius Moore (foot).
Darrius Heyward-Bey, Louis Murphy and Chaz Schilens missed most of, or part of, Sunday’s game after suffering injuries. Schilens failed to return. Murphy and Heyward-Bey played through their injuries and combined for nine receptions for 148 yards.

MORAL VICTORY OF SORTS
The Raiders intercepted Rodgers once and sacked him three times before Rodgers departed after three quarters of work.
Rodgers still passed for 281 yards and two touchdowns on a day in which he finished with a 96.7 passer rating. He previous low was 106-something.

PACKERS RUN OVER RAIDERS
Watching Grant blow through the Raiders defense on the opening drive hinted that the Packers would be able to run as much as they wanted against the Raiders defense.
Sure enough, that’s what happened. The Packers running backs amassed 138 yards on only 21 carries (6.6-yard average). They likely would have piled up even more yardage if they didn’t have such an easy time making hay through the air.
Conversely, Raiders running backs managed only 95 yards on 26 carries (3.7-yard average) against a Packers defense that allowed an average of 4.9 yards its first 12 games.
That, in part, placed the Raiders in a situation where they had to pass more often than desired. And that is when the Packers defense is at its ball-hawking best.
Hence, the results were predictable.

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  • RaiderRockstar

    We are playing below the competition not down to it

    ***

    thanks for the correction!

  • LA to TheBay

    do you think that was Carson Palmers fault we have gotten completely rolled the last two games? Go back and watch the lst GB TD and ONCE AGAIN, you see McClain and Mitchell trailing the play and making the completely wrong reads. Those two do that 60 out of 70 snaps a game.

    ———–

    Huff was truly, truly awful on that play as well.

    The front four did their job and left it to the LBs to clean that up. After Ro got punked, Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since, well, the last time Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since the last time…. you get the idea.

  • 505raiders

    palmer is damaged goods

  • raiderjhawk

    Some of you girls are a little out of control wouldn’t you think?

    Who in their right mind actually thought we had a chance against GB yesterday? We aren’t even at half strength right now. The two recievers we have on our team that fight for balls are hurt. With two dynamic WR’s it’s okay to get by with Bush while dmc is hurt but relying on Bush and a bunch of scrubs WR’s isn’t going to win us many games.

    Some of you are acting like we are some elite team or something. I do think however that if we were at full strength this game would have been completely different, but that’s football. Hopefully 9-7 can get us in the playoffs.

  • baumraiders

    I love DHB heart also, but I would prefer if he had more skill and a little less heart . LOL

  • 18yearsold18yearfan

    Seymour teams have started keying in on our run game because Carson can’t beat them. No giving up TDs isn’t his fault but when you throw horrible interceptions on drives that could be TDs it is somewhat you’re fault. And all you guys saying he is elite are wrong, elite QBs don’t need excuses. There are a few elite QBs and they don’t need a running game or all world receivers catching the ball because they make their team better

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    # Seymour Bush Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Method To My Madness Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Carson thinks his arm strength is still there like 05 and its not
    =====================================================

    There is nothing wrong with Palmers arm strength. There is plenty wrong with WR’s who can’t catch. And you can throw Kevin Boss in there as well. Palmer made a couple of AWFUL throws yesterday. But Palmer is a guy in the Favre, Cutler, mold where he is a gunslinger. You live and die with that.
    ————

    you mostly die with it. I know you wouldnt put up “gunslinger” picks if it were any other qb on the roster.

    hell we could have signed troy smith, he wasnt as bad as palmer is now

  • bcz24

    DET @ OAK… the two most undisciplined teams in the league, both of which can trace most of their losses to their own mental breakdowns in a meeting with playoff implications for both. I am saying the over/under on penalties is 27 and I will wager at least 1 player will be ejected.

  • LA to TheBay

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    on pryor although i dont think he is a very good passer, he cant be worse than crapson.

    Tebow has forever exposed the myth that option qbs cant play in the nfl and win.

    if they can do it with tebow, pryor can also have success. he is a better runner, and they are comparable in terms of passing.

    Tommie frazier brad banks micheal bishop brad smitth all deserved a chance, and tebow is proving that true
    ———-

    Need an elite defense to get away with Tebow’s 200 yards of offense a game.

    We don’t have that.

    TP won’t work.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Tebow has forever exposed the myth that option qbs cant play in the nfl and win.

    if they can do it with tebow, pryor can also have success. he is a better runner, and they are comparable in terms of passing.

    ***

    Mistic,

    good think Jason Campbell isn’t healthy or we’d have a QB competition on our hands!

    You think Pryor could be that “spark” we need?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    # LA to TheBay Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    do you think that was Carson Palmers fault we have gotten completely rolled the last two games? Go back and watch the lst GB TD and ONCE AGAIN, you see McClain and Mitchell trailing the play and making the completely wrong reads. Those two do that 60 out of 70 snaps a game.

    ———–

    Huff was truly, truly awful on that play as well.

    The front four did their job and left it to the LBs to clean that up. After Ro got punked, Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since, well, the last time Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since the last time…. you get the idea.
    ==================

    of course this isnt an issue if crapson doesnt fire that wobbly wounded turkey into quintuple coverage, on 2& 5 for gods sake

  • Silverandblack666

    “Misty, hang that sh1t up. This team has much bigger problems than the play of the qb. Find another battle to fight, your ‘Carson sux’ blabber is tired & old”

    So true I agree 100% let it go man, stop tasking it so personal we have bigger problems!!

  • Seymour Bush

    baumraiders Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Yes, no other Defenses can say that, but GB scored on every possession except on the incredible play of MM34.
    =================================================

    This is one thing that drives me crazy. Now granted, that was a GREAT play, but Mitchell completely botched about 40 other snaps. How that guy can have a job this morning is beyond me. Unless that job is packing McClains gear to ship back to Decatur.

  • baumraiders

    Bcz24, the game against DET will be fun to watch. There will be punches thrown and lets see if the one player ejected is SUH or SEYMOUR hahaha

  • RaiderRockstar

    I love DHB heart also, but I would prefer if he had more skill and a little less heart

    ***

    Baum,

    Terrell Owens is available!

  • Jesus

    But Palmer is a guy in the Favre, Cutler, mold where he is a gunslinger. You live and die with that.

    ——————————-
    The only diff is Favre and Cutler have WON . JaCarson is and always will be a LOSER !

  • LA to TheBay

    raiderjhawk Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
    Some of you girls are a little out of control wouldn’t you think?

    Who in their right mind actually thought we had a chance against GB yesterday? We aren’t even at half strength right now. The two recievers we have on our team that fight for balls are hurt. With two dynamic WR’s it’s okay to get by with Bush while dmc is hurt but relying on Bush and a bunch of scrubs WR’s isn’t going to win us many games.

    Some of you are acting like we are some elite team or something. I do think however that if we were at full strength this game would have been completely different, but that’s football. Hopefully 9-7 can get us in the playoffs
    ——————

    Coulda won if we did things right.

    2nd and 5, we should have been gouging GB with the run over and over. First mistake.

    2nd mistake, INT.

    3rd mistake, 47 yard TD run.

    The rest don’t even matter.

    Bad start.

    But it’s true, we’re an 8-8, 9-7 kind of team with 11-5 talent.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    # maniacon Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:33 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    # maniacon Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:19 pm

    Jesus Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:09 pm

    Geezus man stfu about the QB play already. There hasn’t been a single Raider game won or lost strictly due to QB play this year

    ——————–
    So that KC loss had nothing to do with the 6 ints and 2 PICK sixs thrown ? Are you for real ?
    ——————
    Nah, Brah. It was more than the qb play… where was the run game?
    =================

    the run game has vanished, because crapson palmer cant beat the 8 man front with his arm consistently. when can at leats come close to what Jc did the running lanes will open again
    ———————-
    Misty, hang that sh1t up. This team has much bigger problems than the play of the qb. Find another battle to fight, your ‘Carson sux’ blabber is tired & old
    ===============

    stop it, when the qb has 14 turnovers in 6 1/2 games and 70 qb rating you will not win very many games, ask jimmy clausen

  • baumraiders

    I think it will take about 3 30 or 4 hours for the game to end next week with all the penalties and fights

  • baumraiders

    RR I said a little less heart, never said NO HEART

  • Seymour Bush

    of course this isnt an issue if crapson doesnt fire that wobbly wounded turkey into quintuple coverage, on 2& 5 for gods sake
    ====================================================

    Again, on that pick, Mathews Jr comes running in untouched. Palmer was trying to make a play. If he got steamrolled by Mathews Jr and fumbled, everyone would be on his ass for fumbling. But the reason for that pick was the right side completely whiffed on their assignment.

  • baumraiders

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
    baumraiders Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm

    Yes, no other Defenses can say that, but GB scored on every possession except on the incredible play of MM34.
    =================================================

    This is one thing that drives me crazy. Now granted, that was a GREAT play, but Mitchell completely botched about 40 other snaps. How that guy can have a job this morning is beyond me. Unless that job is packing McClains gear to ship back to Decatur.

    _____________________

    I agree, I was just talking about that play in particular thought.

  • 18yearsold18yearfan

    Seymour you bash MM34 for having bad plays and his good play can’t make up for it but Carson’s few good plays make up for his many many bad plays and bad decisions at the most important position on the team

  • LA to TheBay

    The front four did their job and left it to the LBs to clean that up. After Ro got punked, Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since, well, the last time Huff came in with the worst angle/attempted tackle I’ve seen since the last time…. you get the idea.
    ==================

    of course this isnt an issue if crapson doesnt fire that wobbly wounded turkey into quintuple coverage, on 2& 5 for gods sake

    ————-

    Until the next time they had the ball.

    Please, one post that has nothing to do with JC/Grad/Palmer/spread option college QB

    Just one.

  • baumraiders

    DHB = Rudy LOL

    Just kidding

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    i think that palmer will piss his pants and end up with yellow sock syndrome as soon a he smells suhs breath.

    based on our defense he will be forced into another shoot out, but he will play like he is shooting up instead.

    i dont think i have ever seen a qb look so frightened as palmer has looked over the last two weeks.

  • Jesus

    But it’s true, we’re an 8-8, 9-7 kind of team with 11-5 talent.

    ———————–
    Blame the crappy QB play and even crappier Head coaching !

  • bcz24

    1545.baumraiders Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Yes, no other Defenses can say that, but GB scored on every possession except on the incredible play of MM34.
    ******
    Carson Palmer also allowed Ryan Grant his first TD in 2 years. Oh Carson Palmer also allowed Green Bays punter to not see the field. Yep, they did not punt once in that game. Might be a record. Damn Carson Palmer horrible on defense.

    Hate to break your hearts but without Carson Palmer this team would be 4-9 and you all would be calling for Hue’s head… oh wait.

  • raiderjhawk

    If we have Ford and Moore back, the detroit game could be a shootout.

    Palmer needs help, he’s a gun slinger. He needs WR’s who actually fight for the ball not just sit and watch the defender make a play on it! Does he make some bad decisions? Yep, but he also makes throws that JC wouldn’t even dream of attempting.

  • Seymour Bush

    Jesus Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:37 pm

    But Palmer is a guy in the Favre, Cutler, mold where he is a gunslinger. You live and die with that.

    ——————————-
    The only diff is Favre and Cutler have WON . JaCarson is and always will be a LOSER !
    =================================================

    They also had decent teams around them. Are you saying the Raiders are a decent team? Did you watch the last two games? Either they are a bad team, or else they ARE a decent team and the coach has to go.

  • RaiderRockstar

    Mathews Jr comes running in untouched. Palmer was trying to make a play. If he got steamrolled by Mathews Jr and fumbled, everyone would be on his ass for fumbling. But the reason for that pick was the right side completely whiffed on their assignment

    ***

    SeyGlenn,

    then take a sack like Andrew Walter or throw the ball out of bounds like Kerry Collins!

    INT’s are deadly, man ..

  • Method To My Madness

    1546.Seymour Bush Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Method To My Madness Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:28 pm

    Carson thinks his arm strength is still there like 05 and its not
    =====================================================

    There is nothing wrong with Palmers arm strength. There is plenty wrong with WR’s who can’t catch. And you can throw Kevin Boss in there as well. Palmer made a couple of AWFUL throws yesterday. But Palmer is a guy in the Favre, Cutler, mold where he is a gunslinger. You live and die with that.

    ***********

    glenny…you are nuts…anyone who knows football can see palmer arm aint as strong as it used to be

  • ElkGRaider

    There is nothing wrong with Palmers arm strength. There is plenty wrong with WR’s who can’t catch. And you can throw Kevin Boss in there as well. Palmer made a couple of AWFUL throws yesterday. But Palmer is a guy in the Favre, Cutler, mold where he is a gunslinger. You live and die with that.
    ===================

    Been trying to tell them this. With WR’s who make plays or you know go after the ball…he will be good. He is not a move the chains QB…

  • Seymour Bush

    Carson Palmer also allowed Ryan Grant his first TD in 2 years.
    ==============================================

    Thank you. Ryan Grant had not had a run over 10 FREAKING YARDS ALL SEASON, and his lST PLAY, he goes 55 TO THE HOUSE!! Sorry, 2nd play. the lst play resulted in a Raider penalty.

  • Thec07

    Need an elite defense to get away with Tebow’s 200 yards of offense a game.

    We don’t have that.

    TP won’t work.

    ++++++

    100% truth….

  • baumraiders

    Bcz24 Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
    1545.baumraiders Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
    Yes, no other Defenses can say that, but GB scored on every possession except on the incredible play of MM34.
    ******
    Carson Palmer also allowed Ryan Grant his first TD in 2 years. Oh Carson Palmer also allowed Green Bays punter to not see the field. Yep, they did not punt once in that game. Might be a record. Damn Carson Palmer horrible on defense.

    Hate to break your hearts but without Carson Palmer this team would be 4-9 and you all would be calling for Hue’s head… oh wait.

    YEP Carson is the reason we lost haha (He is one of 22 reasons) , When we lose heartbreakers I spit fire, but yesterday I was more calm than ever. I just went bananas at MARION BARBER and the CHICAGO defense

  • YoungAmerican

    My wish list:

    Reggie McKenzie as GM
    Jack Del Rio or Steve Spagnuolo as DC

    Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 3rd
    Trade Richard Seymour for a 3rd
    Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
    Trade Tommy Kelly for a 5th

    This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $20 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure Huff if they haven’t already.

    2 – DT Dontari Poe
    3 – CB Leonard Johnson
    3 – RB David Wilson
    3 (comp.) – OT Xavier Nixon
    4 – RB Cyrus Gray
    4 (comp.) DE Jake Bequette
    5 – WR BJ Cunningham
    5 – S Harrison Smith
    6 – LB Chris Galippo

    Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, and one in particular would help the Raiders seal the edge against the run AND pressure the QB with their four-man front. Mario Williams would have a Julius Peppers-like impact on this defense. So:

    Sign DE Mario Williams
    Sign MLB Barrett Ruud

  • Jesus

    They also had decent teams around them. Are you saying the Raiders are a decent team? Did you watch the last two games? Either they are a bad team, or else they ARE a decent team and the coach has to go.

    —————-
    Radiers Looked pretty good against NYJ and Houston Tex . And both of those teams are going to be in the playoffs. But we had a decent QB back then so…..

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    as of now palmer is ranked 30th in the leauge.

    he has 3 games with 3 picks or more, and in one game tied the amount of picks jc had in six.

    in six 1/2 games he has more picks than jc threw for the entire season of 2010!!!

    You guys still think he is an “instant upgrade”

    how?

  • baumraiders

    Seymour Bush Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
    Carson Palmer also allowed Ryan Grant his first TD in 2 years.
    ==============================================

    Thank you. Ryan Grant had not had a run over 10 FREAKING YARDS ALL SEASON, and his lST PLAY, he goes 55 TO THE HOUSE!! Sorry, 2nd play. the lst play resulted in a Raider penalty.

    ___________

    GB didnt have a 20 yd run ALL YEAR!!! 1st run 47 yards LOL

  • 18yearsold18yearfan

    Don’t tell me anything about cutlers teams his offense in Chicago is ridiculously bad. Their receivers are worse than ours and they have one of the worst o lines ever assembled but Cutler makes it work because as much as I hate to say it he is a very good qb just outside the door to elite. Carson is not elite he isn’t even very good he just may be a good qb and I don’t even know about that. I wish he would just manage a game like Campbell did

  • qodrn

    Shall we start a pool on when the next article will get posted?

  • raiderinparadise

    CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
    #Raiders need to win final three games AND have the Broncos lose two of final three games OR lose to the Kansas City Chiefs to make playoffs
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  • YA, I see you do your homework!

  • raiderjhawk

    OUR DEFENSE SUX.

    PALMER NEEDS THE WR’S TO FIGHT FOR THE BALL!

  • RIPAL

    Carson Palmer didn’t allow Grant his first 10+ yard in 2 years. It was Bresnehan’s high school defense that allowed that to happen.

  • Raiderbuck

    VanHeathen Says:
    December 12th, 2011 at 11:43 am

    Whoever called Hue the ‘Used Car Salesman’,
    i think that’s spot on, he’s lied under the guise of ‘gamesmanship’ and he’s threatened to replace ANYONE on this squad, yet has only released guys who were known as hard workers and good teammates.
    He’s lied to the Nation , over and over yet never seems contrite…
    He may think he’s been ‘made’ by Al’s hiring, and think he’s the next Gruden of even Kiffin, he’s ‘LYING’ to himself, Gruden had wins, and Kiffin had Pedigre, Hue’s just got his mouth, and that has been his undoing…
    ***********************************************

    I’m hoping that was me ! 🙂

  • indy66

    Palmer makes Jay Schroeder look like Joe Montana…

    You sense fear in his facial expression.

    Concerning yesterday’s game, they did not want to fight. They were there to get beat up!!

    I am very disapointed. In the years before, i could not get mad with them because talent was not very high but now, talent is there but the will to win is not there. PLEASE CLEAN THE HOUSE!!!