Coach Jackson senses ‘urgency, intensity’ in players
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 14th, 2011 at 3:22 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Wednesday’s practice had a different feel to it, unlike any the Raiders have had the past four or five weeks, according to coach Hue Jackson.
It’s all about the Raiders sensing what Jackson calls the “urgency and intensity” of the situation facing them with three games to play in the regular season.
“The margin for error is gone,” Jackson said. “There is no more.”
Indeed. The Denver Broncos lead the Raiders in the AFC West by one game. The Raiders either need to finish ahead of the Broncos or have the Broncos lose to the Kansas City Chiefs, if they finish with identical records, to win the division.
That’s a far cry from where the Raiders were two games ago, when they led the Broncos by one game with five to play. The Broncos won both those games. The Raiders lost to the Miami Dolphins and Green Bay Packers by a combined score of 80-30.
Jackson expects the Raiders team that won three games in a row to show up Sunday, not the one that lost the past two games.
“It was awesome,” Jackson said of practice Wednesday. “I mean, it really was. It probably was different than it’s been in the last four or five weeks because, again, these guys understand. I know this football team and I know where their head is, and they understand what we need to do, and we’ll come play, and we’ll play the way we’re supposed to play.”
Quarterback Carson Palmer said this year’s Raiders team will be defined by how they play the next three games.
“We have a chance to get to the playoffs,” Palmer said. “We have to go 3-0 in the next three weeks. There is no other option, there is no other route. We know that, especially if you want to make it to the playoffs and then you want to play well in the playoffs, you have to be playing really good football at this time of year. For us, we got to start on Sunday.”
Linebacker Kamerion Wimbley said he and his teammates know what’s at stake. Hence, the more-spirited practice Wednesday.
“Yeah, there’s a lot of energy,” Wimbley said. “We know we’re at that point where opportunities are few and far in between and we need to take advantage of them when we can. The guys know that. That’s why, in practice, we get after it with a sense of purpose.”
PRO BOWL VOTING NEARS END
Punter Shane Lechler and kicker Sebastian Janikowski maintain their lead in the fan portion of the Pro Bowl voting, with one week left.
Lechler is the top vote-getter among fans for the AFC punter spot. Janikowski leads all AFC kickers. Fans voting accounts for one-third of the process. Coaches and players get one-third each, as well.
SUH A SAINT?
Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh returns Sunday from a two-game suspension for his egregious actions against a Packers offensive lineman on Thanksgiving.
To hear Lions coach Jim Schwartz tell it, Suh is just misunderstood and not as bad as people make him out to be.
“He’s a good teammate, he’s a hard-working guy, he’s very, very serious about football and he’s a very good football player,” Schwartz said in a conference call Wednesday. “His penalty on Thanksgiving was the first penalty that he’s gotten that’s been truly an after-the-whistle penalty, where he lost his composure.”
Other than that, Suh is a model player, Schwartz said.
“Other than that, I really can’t speak on what his perception is,” Schwartz said. “I know he’s a good football player, he’s a good teammate, and we’re glad to have him on our team.”
Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said Suh is someone he and the rest of the Raiders offense will be well aware of Sunday.
“He splits double-teams, he pushes double-teams out of the way,” Palmer said. “He’s a guy that we’re very focused on, and we’re going to understand where he’s at at all times, and you have to because he’s a heck of a player.”
PENALTIES PLAGUE
Of the Raiders league-high 130 penalties, 45 resulted in first downs for the opponent. Also, those penalties kept alive drives that resulted in points 16 times.
The 45 first downs as a result of penalties are the fourth-most since the merger in 1970. The 1998 Kansas City Chiefs hold the record during that span, with 56.
That Chiefs team holds the league records for most penalties in a season (158) and yards penalized in a season (1,304). Even those aren’t safe. The Raiders are on pace for 160 for 1,374.
Jackson said he has done everything short of screaming from the rooftop at 1220 Harbor Bay Parkway in Alameda in an attempt to get his point across.
“I can’t beat myself up about it,” Jackson said. “The one thing I know I am doing is trying. It would be different if I am not trying. I am doing everything I know how to do. I have called other people that I know in order to fix this, and it’s going to take some time, and I hope everybody understands that. There is no magical stuff that I can throw on this team and say, ‘No more penalties.’ That’s not how it works.”
Palmer said he and his teammates got the message again this week, in no unmistakable terms.
“That’s something that coach Jackson definitely addressed with us this week … loudly,” Palmer said. “It’s been going on for too long; it’s something he said. We’ll continue to work on it. It’s something that we understand that that can be the difference in a win and a loss.”
Cornerback Stanford Routt expressed surprise when informed that the Raiders are on record paces.
“Obviously, aggressive penalties you can’t do too much about those,” Routt said, “but offsides, false starts, stuff like that, personal foul, silly penalties we can definitely clean up. That just comes down to discipline.”
Fourth-year safety Tyvon Branch has witnessed penalty-fests seemingly on a weekly basis since he joined the Raiders.
He said the solution, as Jackson said, isn’t anything magical.
“Play smarter, man,” Branch said. “That’s the thing that’s been plaguing us since I’ve been here. We’ve just got to play smarter.”
PLAYOFFS PICTURE COMING INTO FOCUS
The Houston Texans clinched a playoff berth with their victory last Sunday. The New England Patriots, Baltimore Ravens and Pittsburgh Steelers are in position to nail down spots this weekend.
Once that happens, as expected, there will be only two spots left open — the AFC West and the second wild-card spot. The Raiders remain in contention for both spots.
FRONT LINES AT FOREFRONT SUNDAY
The 49ers, Ravens and Steelers might beg to differ, but as far as Palmer is concerned the two best defensive fronts will be on display Sunday, when the Lions and Raiders play.
“We’re a lot bigger, they’re probably faster,” Palmer said, “but as far as just having great players all over the place, both fronts are fantastic. You can’t think of two other better fronts, I don’t think, in the rest of the league. They have two big inside guys, we have two big inside guys. They’re very fast and small on the edge, but very fast. We’re fast and physical on the edge, but both teams have great ‘D’ lines.”
FOOT INJURIES A MYSTERY
The number of foot injuries to Raiders this season has caused Jackson and the training staff to try just about everything in attempt to find the root of the problem.
To no avail. At this point, Jackson is inclined to think it’s either a coincidence or the result of players not having the advantage of easing ino the season because of a lockout that wiped out the offseason.
“I’ve never seen anything like it,” Jackson said. “Never seen so many of the same type of injury, and it being a foot. So you go through it all. You go through the weight room, you go through in the medical department, you go through everything, trying to figure out why it’s like this.”
Jackson said he is out of ideas.
“We’ve done the shoe thing, orthotics, nice shoes, bad shoes, we do it all trying to figure it out,” Jackson said, “and there’s no pattern. And if you look around the league, it’s been more probably foot injuries this year than anything. And coach Jackson thinks, maybe it was because there wasn’t any offseason.”
CHRIS JOHNSON UPDATE
Cornerback Chris Johnson was excused from practice because he was at his sister’s funeral in Texas. His sister Jennifer was shot and killed by a 46-year-old man last week. The same man shot and wounded Johnon’s mother Della.
The exacting toll of the tragedy caught up with Johnson in Green Bay, which prompted him to tell Jackson before the game that he didn’t feel up to playing.
“Right before, he came to me and said, ‘Coach, I can’t do it. It would not be doing the team a good service.’ He says, ‘My mind and my heart are struggling right now,’ ” Jackson said. “We kind of embraced for a second, and I understand that. We don’t want to put him in a tough situation, or our team in a tough situation, so he didn’t play.”
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December 14th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
ohhhh yeah
December 14th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
Good.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Take care of your family CJ ! Football is just a game at the end of the day …
December 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
RaiderSam Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Imaquaman Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
im a life long raider fan BUT, the way our defense is playing doesnt matter who our QB or RB or WR’s are .
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Hello? THANK YOU! Defense wins Championships.
see Niners. Defense and run the ball (its built to win by November/DECEMBER)
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I dont buy that line of “defense wins championships” anymore.
Not in this new age NFL.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
You absolutely DO “give up” a 1st and a 2nd for a fighting chance.
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Not in the AFC West you don’t.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
repost
You absolutely DO “give up” a 1st and a 2nd for a fighting chance.
As the Raiders are showing…the difference between being a good team and a bad team isn’t really that huge. A player in trouble here, an injury/ies there, next thing you know, you’re looking up at the leaders.
When the chance to have a fighting chance arises…ESPECIALLY when the season’s well underway…the team must go for it. When JCampbell went down, we already knew we had a pretty good team.
Not trying to upgrade the QB spot would have been screwing-over the rest of the team…these guys want to go to the Playoffs NOW (some questionable efforts notwithstanding).
December 14th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Wow… I’ve sensed ” urgency ” for weeks now…. At least 2 ..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
CorkOnTheNFL #Raiders and Lions tied for most personal-foul penalties committed this season. Officials warming up their throwing arms for Sunday.
14 minutes ago
ceoshok @CorkOnTheNFL I wonder who’ll have the sorest arm after the game Palmer, Stafford or the officials?
10 minutes ago
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My $$ is on the zebra’s… A torn rotater cuff is possible on Sunday….
December 14th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Wow… I’ve sensed ” urgency ” for weeks now…. At least 2 ..
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Exactly. lol..
How do they only sense the urgency now?? Terrible.
NEW FLASH : were not that good.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
“Cornerback Stanford Routt expressed surprise when informed that the Raiders are on record paces.”
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Where the F has he been. Surprised indeed.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Hope CJohnson37 gets back, in health and spirit, soon.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
The price for Palmer was steep… But concidering Campbell went down and Palmer was there … I agree… Make the deal… It’s a crap shoot … But it usually is in a trade or draft … Win some/ lose some… But you gotta try and improve…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
Hue Jackson is really giving me the cheesy car salesman vibe now.
If your BS-ing us all the time Hue we wont believe you when your actually telling the truth.
Same with you players.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
“I’m down ! Did you see the post with the rules? I’m down and I hope I lose SNB …”
Yeah the rules are that if we win the game and Palmer throws 2 or more TD’s I win the bet.
If we lose the game and Palmer throws 2 or more INT’s you win the bet.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Same with your players*
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
476.inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
CP leads us to victory last 3 games we’re 10 and 6 and we’ll make the playoffs (tenn and NYJ will lose at least 1 out of 3) and all the int’s are forgotten. He wins 2 of 3 hope he’ll get it in year 2 like JC looked to be doing, win 1 out of 3 and let’s bring back JC
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So, if our defense continues to lose us games and we go 1-2 to end the year that somehow translates into bring back JC over Palmer?
I don’t understand that logic.
The defense gives up 80 points in 2 games and somehow the QB gets blamed? WTF is going on in here?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
909…lol…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
I really do hope I lose the bet SNB666…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
The price for Palmer was steep… But concidering Campbell went down and Palmer was there … I agree… Make the deal… It’s a crap shoot … But it usually is in a trade or draft … Win some/ lose some… But you gotta try and improve…
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Now you’re saying you thought he was rolling the dice with the Palmer pick up? You’re not serious are you?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
I can really use a huge game from CP3 and Bush for my fantasy playoffs.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
593.raiderinparadise Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Carson’s whole game is he is either great or mediocre, but rarely horrible.
Campbell’s whole game is he is either mediocre or horrible, but rarely great
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best comment of the day concerning this debate. 100% agree
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complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Hey at least some Raiders made some type of playoffs this year!!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
593.raiderinparadise Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Carson’s whole game is he is either great or mediocre, but rarely horrible.
Campbell’s whole game is he is either mediocre or horrible, but rarely great
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best comment of the day concerning this debate. 100% agree
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complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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I know this might be difficult…but, think bigger picture. Like their CAREER tendancies.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Yep… Sometimes it sounds like Hue Screwed the Dog and is trying to sell the pups..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
“It was awesome,” Jackson said of practice Wednesday. “I mean, it really was. It probably was different than it’s been in the last four or five weeks because, again, these guys understand. I know this football team and I know where their head is, and they understand what we need to do, and we’ll come play, and we’ll play the way we’re supposed to play.”
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WTF were they doing the last couple of weeks at practice, Hue? Lolligaging?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
Hue… Sure… Drafts and trades are crap shoots… You can say anythings a ” Sure thing”…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
And to all who don’t think CP was brought in to win NOW, do you think he would have cost a 1st and 2nd next year?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:39 pm
23.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
593.raiderinparadise Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Carson’s whole game is he is either great or mediocre, but rarely horrible.
Campbell’s whole game is he is either mediocre or horrible, but rarely great
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best comment of the day concerning this debate. 100% agree
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complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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I know this might be difficult…but, think bigger picture. Like their CAREER tendancies.
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hahahahaha yeah so if we going that way…carson aint great and doesnt show too much greatness
December 14th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Wow… I’ve sensed ” urgency ” for weeks now…. At least 2 ..
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Exactly. lol..
How do they only sense the urgency now?? Terrible.
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I guess we were all thinking the same thing on that ridiculous quote.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Hueknows…. Come on man… You’ve watched enough football to know any draft or trade isn’t a sure thing… It’s a chance … And that’s what Hue did… Took a chance Palmer would be worth those picks..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
and you talking about palmer 6 fkin years ago…his arm is not the same…anyone who watches football knwos this….still got a good arm but he thinks he still got that 100 mph fastball…inr eality he is about 91 these days
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
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Bush completely missing his block had more to do with that if you remember. Murphy was wide open for the TD.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
…or even a 1st?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
why does it take falling out of first place to generate intensity. To me the big game for us was the dolphins, it wasnt a trap game but rather a game that if we won would put us in excellent position for the division or wild card. a real bully would have seized the opportunity not backed away, Since after every loss , Hue steps up to the podium and says the same thing and makes himself accountable , i am disappointed that we now have energy because we have no margin for error. Bullies never wait till they are down to try hard. a bully savors the chance to cement himself as a winner . I like Hue jackson’s offensive brain, but i am concerned at his leadership skills. He insults every raider fan at his repetitive press conferences, hides the truth about injuries which i am clueless what advantage he thinks he gains and has yet to deliver on any of his proclamations like he would fix the penalty situation or that he would build a bully. To me jacoby ford’s comments about not returning until he is 100% contradicts what Hue says about urgency. It should be all hands on deck at this point if the team truly believes Hue’s message. I like Hue better than cable, but he needs to start delivering on his boasts and promises..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers
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Did you notice Bush pass blocking on those 2 plays?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
33.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
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Bush completely missing his block had more to do with that if you remember. Murphy was wide open for the TD.
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sorry but murphy wasnt catching that…a sideline catch? since when has he done that consistently? he woulda stepped outta bounds….maybe if palmer got rid of it a tad second quicker..ever thought about that?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
inr eality he is about 91 these days
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LOL!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
33.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
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Bush completely missing his block had more to do with that if you remember. Murphy was wide open for the TD.
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sorry but murphy wasnt catching that…a sideline catch? since when has he done that consistently? he woulda stepped outta bounds….maybe if palmer got rid of it a tad second quicker..ever thought about that?
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lol your something else man.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Fingers I think your missing the point. Hue took a chance and that chance was to make the playoffs THIS year, not to see how he works out next year.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Hueknows… You don’t spend draft picks like that if you don’t think it could work…. But hoping and reality are two diffrent things….Hue said he thought Boller could win too… We all saw diffrent ..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
36.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers
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Did you notice Bush pass blocking on those 2 plays?
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or how palmer was moving lol
December 14th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
jhill im sure u seen baseball when a pitcher like pedro cant hit upper 90s anymore and he is hittin the low 90s…his fastball is more hittable
December 14th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
39.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
33.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
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Bush completely missing his block had more to do with that if you remember. Murphy was wide open for the TD.
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sorry but murphy wasnt catching that…a sideline catch? since when has he done that consistently? he woulda stepped outta bounds….maybe if palmer got rid of it a tad second quicker..ever thought about that?
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lol your something else man.
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if i had a penny for everytime………..ah forget it you know the rest
December 14th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
36.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers
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Did you notice Bush pass blocking on those 2 plays?
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or how palmer was moving lol
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So you cant blame our RB because Reece is a horrible blocker.
But you can blame our QB because Bush is a horrible blocker.
……….EXPOSED.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Hueknows… No I get that point…. Of course Hue thinks its a deal that helps the team.. And that means playoffs… I’m not even sure were talking about the samething now..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
14.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
“I’m down ! Did you see the post with the rules? I’m down and I hope I lose SNB …”
Yeah the rules are that if we win the game and Palmer throws 2 or more TD’s I win the bet.
If we lose the game and Palmer throws 2 or more INT’s you win the bet.
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Whats the O/U guys?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Hueknows… You like the trade?.. Yes, No?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
36.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers
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Did you notice Bush pass blocking on those 2 plays?
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Jhill, you nailed it. And people say Bush can pass block lol.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Y’all are gonna take this wrong but all I saw out of Boller was a one 1/2 of football from a backup QB who’s coach just sold him out.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
nycraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
why does it take falling out of first place to generate intensity. To me the big game for us was the dolphins, it wasnt a trap game but rather a game that if we won would put us in excellent position for the division or wild card. a real bully would have seized the opportunity not backed away, Since after every loss , Hue steps up to the podium and says the same thing and makes himself accountable , i am disappointed that we now have energy because we have no margin for error. Bullies never wait till they are down to try hard. a bully savors the chance to cement himself as a winner . I like Hue jackson’s offensive brain, but i am concerned at his leadership skills. He insults every raider fan at his repetitive press conferences, hides the truth about injuries which i am clueless what advantage he thinks he gains and has yet to deliver on any of his proclamations like he would fix the penalty situation or that he would build a bully. To me jacoby ford’s comments about not returning until he is 100% contradicts what Hue says about urgency. It should be all hands on deck at this point if the team truly believes Hue’s message. I like Hue better than cable, but he needs to start delivering on his boasts and promises..
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Agree 100%
Hue, often times sounds more like a carnival barker, than a NFL head coach….
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Palmer needs effective play action. Defenses must fear the run game to make play action effective. Run the ball, Palmer can go to work. Put it all on him, you are asking for trouble. Many here were saying this before Palmer played a down for the Raiders.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
45.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:44 pm
36.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers
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Did you notice Bush pass blocking on those 2 plays?
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or how palmer was moving lol
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So you cant blame our RB because Reece is a horrible blocker.
But you can blame our QB because Bush is a horrible blocker.
……….EXPOSED.
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this is too easy lol…why try? you know you dont have what it takes to deal withthe B@uce
what’s a FB’s main job function? and whats a RB’s main job function?
you lose again lol
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
As I stated last week, Friday before game day: GB will skewer and roast us like a tailgate BBQ in the stadium parking lot; I said then that the Lions would crack us like a nut; I also predicted that we may beat KC (that is a real leap of faith; I truly believe that the Bolts, who are now in resurgance will light us up.
We are not a playoff bound team. We’ve only beat bottom tier teams with losing records this season. We are crap and do not deserve to be in the playoffs: from the sh.t peddling pimp and snake oil salesman, Hue Jackson, to the washed up and recycled Defensive Co-ordinator Chuckie, to the slimy excuses for men we call our players with nary a play maker except for Shane, Jano, Ford and Moore, we’ve been tainted and infiltrated by a man named Stank AL, who lost his genius, guru-ship, and all credibility after 1983 when we won our last Super Bowl; it was then ole Stank discovered it was easier making money on lawsuits than winning football games. We now must eat the fruit that pathetic old crustacean, in AL-zheimers stage 4, cultivated upon us. Please, Amy and Mark, blow this team up and begin anew. To talk about us going to the playoffs is both assinine, childish and a complete waste of time.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
You know where I stand on the Palmer thing, B.
He’s the missing piece to the puzzle, not THE puzzle.
Not the QB who can overcome losing McFadden, Moore, AND Ford. But certainly the QB who can PERFECTLY manage a game like we saw against SD.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
When When Campbell went down and Hue went after Palmer , I liked the idea…still do
December 14th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
So duecey you exposed nada except what has already been exposed…you cant deal with me
December 14th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Im in the zone today, just punishing Method To My Madness.
Im like the Aaron Rodgers of this blog now. He’s Favre.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
The Raiders have failed this year to TAKE CONTROL of their division, and rule their own destiny, at every platinum opportunity. Now, we need other teams to help us make the Playoffs.
Good teams know how take control. Bad teams self-destruct. Any more self-destruction this year, and it’s over for the Raiders. If they can’t beat their penalty problem, they better find a way to overcome it on the scoreboard. Win in-spite of penalties? What a concept.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
55.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
You know where I stand on the Palmer thing, B.
He’s the missing piece to the puzzle, not THE puzzle.
Not the QB who can overcome losing McFadden, Moore, AND Ford. But certainly the QB who can PERFECTLY manage a game like we saw against SD.
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Jhill is on a roll. Sanity rules the day!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
And people say Bush can pass block lol.
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Really???
Someone said that?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Hueknows… You like the trade?.. Yes, No?
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If we make the playoffs? Yes otherwise price was too high. We could have gotten him for a 2nd rounder next year if that’s what we are waiting on.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
55.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:48 pm
You know where I stand on the Palmer thing, B.
He’s the missing piece to the puzzle, not THE puzzle.
Not the QB who can overcome losing McFadden, Moore, AND Ford. But certainly the QB who can PERFECTLY manage a game like we saw against SD.
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this is all im saying! but everyone is painting him a pro bowl talent in 2011….so false
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
Look at him squirm folks….
December 14th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
Palmer has to take better care of the ball… We all agree on that…he’s pressing when he should check down or just toss it outta bounds
December 14th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
58.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Im in the zone today, just punishing Method To My Madness.
Im like the Aaron Rodgers of this blog now. He’s Favre.
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yawwwnnnn you cant punish me becuz you cant even answer my questions about the rb and fb….so again the B2uce still undefeated
December 14th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
These guys better be ready to go out and hunt some f*cking boars! Eat that bacon!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Jhill is on a roll. Sanity rules the day!
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Well let’s keep this thing going!!!
Hire a GM!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
duecey…you have zero chance vs me…its like britney(you) spears trying to fight mike tyson…just wont work out
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
63.Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
this is all im saying! but everyone is painting him a pro bowl talent in 2011….so false
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What? Come on Brien, who has been saying he is a pro-bowl talent? Seems to me there are just people in here saying he is a better option than JC.
And he is.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
68.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Jhill is on a roll. Sanity rules the day!
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Well let’s keep this thing going!!!
Hire a GM!!!!
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CHHHHHHACHING!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
# Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
476.inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
CP leads us to victory last 3 games we’re 10 and 6 and we’ll make the playoffs (tenn and NYJ will lose at least 1 out of 3) and all the int’s are forgotten. He wins 2 of 3 hope he’ll get it in year 2 like JC looked to be doing, win 1 out of 3 and let’s bring back JC
????????
So, if our defense continues to lose us games and we go 1-2 to end the year that somehow translates into bring back JC over Palmer?
I don’t understand that logic.
The defense gives up 80 points in 2 games and somehow the QB gets blamed? WTF is going on in here?
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the qb turning the ball over like a short order cook making pancakes at denny’s makes it even harder on an already leaky defense. The fact that the defense is so bad makes it that much ore crucial for palmer to avoid those laughable interceptions.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Down goes the Bawse folks!!!!
He expects US to not expect a RB to pass block nad blame the QB for it.. Come on guys.. Were better than that.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
when someone asks the b@uce a question he answers it….try doing the same….you couldnt beat a bowl of eggs let alone beat the B@uce
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
73.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Down goes the Bawse folks!!!!
He expects US to not expect a RB to pass block nad blame the QB for it.. Come on guys.. Were better than that.
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what is the RB’s main job function?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Favre (Method To My Madness)just cant let it go!!!!
He’s 2nd fiddle in here now.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
But certainly the QB who can PERFECTLY manage a game like we saw against SD.
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this is all im saying!
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Coulda swore I was just defending Palmer’s play in the SD game to you.
Hmmmm …
Let me scroll back up.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Hueknows… My diffrence with your take is this… If we don’t make the playoffs I’m not putting it on Palmer….. Just my opinion.. But I think theirs plenty of blame plus injurys to go around… Palmers fault?.. No ..I’d put more blame on Bresnahan than I would Palmer…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
73.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Down goes the Bawse folks!!!!
He expects US to not expect a RB to pass block nad blame the QB for it.. Come on guys.. Were better than that.
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what is the RB’s main job function?
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On a pass play when he has no route? Block. NEXT!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
70.Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
63.Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
this is all im saying! but everyone is painting him a pro bowl talent in 2011….so false
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What? Come on Brien, who has been saying he is a pro-bowl talent? Seems to me there are just people in here saying he is a better option than JC.
And he is.
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Dakota did your mullet get in front of your eyes when reading the blog?
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
Palmer has to take better care of the ball… We all agree on that…he’s pressing when he should check down or just toss it outta bounds
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Exactly! He needs to be treated like a JC 2.0 . Hue needs to call the same type of plays he would call for JC. Instead he is calling plays like he has Drew Brees back there…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
what is the RB’s main job function?
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On pass play?
Pass protection.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
look at that!!!! I just punished Method To My Madness again. Its too easy now.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
76.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Favre (Method To My Madness)just cant let it go!!!!
He’s 2nd fiddle in here now.
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now youre back to DueceDumb…..but thanks for admitting im an all time great hahahahahahahaha….see how dumb you are ole DueceDumb….talking with you is like talking to a damn rock
December 14th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
82.J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
what is the RB’s main job function?
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On pass play?
Pass protection.
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what is a RB’s main job function….i’ll keep asking you this until you get it right
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Oh man guys…. Method To My Madness has reverted back to 8th grade name calling.. His last resort!!! He’s done!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
83.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
look at that!!!! I just punished Method To My Madness again. Its too easy now.
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like ive said about others on here…you are like the dumb loser kid in school who thought his jokes were funny but no one else laughed
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
If the Raiders don’t make the playoffs it will be because they couldn’t run the ball and keep that fragile defense on the sidelines.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
80.Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
70.Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
63.Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:50 pm
this is all im saying! but everyone is painting him a pro bowl talent in 2011….so false
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What? Come on Brien, who has been saying he is a pro-bowl talent? Seems to me there are just people in here saying he is a better option than JC.
And he is.
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Dakota did your mullet get in front of your eyes when reading the blog?
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No, but I did trip on it and hit my head a couple of times…..
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
what is the RB’s main job function?
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On pass play?
Pass protection.
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Ah, anybody remember Lamont Jordon Pass blocking? The plays I remember, he whiffed and stuck his arm in the air to say I am open as the QB was getting crushed…
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
86.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
Oh man guys…. Method To My Madness has reverted back to 8th grade name calling.. His last resort!!! He’s done!!!
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and DueceDumb is spewing false schit again….ive always called people names…so find another route
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
what is the RB’s main job function?
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On pass play?
Pass protection.
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Correct. On a pass play where he has no route the RB’s job is blocking.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
im stompin you so bad you are experiencing life threatening brain damage
December 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Squirm!!!! Squirm!!!!
His false logic doesnt fly in here anymore!!
December 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
92.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
what is the RB’s main job function?
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On pass play?
Pass protection.
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Correct. On a pass play where he has no route the RB’s job is blocking.
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thats not the RB’s main job function lol….DueceDumb doesnt know first thing about football….he only gets excited when ESPN tells him how football really is…typical
December 14th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Lions third in the league in takeaway-turnover differential at plus-11.
6 minutes ago
December 14th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
94.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Squirm!!!! Squirm!!!!
His false logic doesnt fly in here anymore!!
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False logic? hahahahahaahahaha coming from the guy who cant even accurately give a rebuttal to things
December 14th, 2011 at 3:59 pm
this is the same guy who said reece is better at fb than tonga…when you see more bloggers now on tonga train
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Bresnahan and Crappy play form our D…. Plus more Hammys and bad wheels than I ever remember…,
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
stop drowning DueceDumb….get a life jacket next time lil fella
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Hueknows… My diffrence with your take is this… If we don’t make the playoffs I’m not putting it on Palmer….. Just my opinion.. But I think theirs plenty of blame plus injurys to go around… Palmers fault?.. No ..I’d put more blame on Bresnahan than I would Palmer…
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i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now? Palmers turnovers are just as much of a problem as the defense, and if the qb protects the ball we can win even with a bad defense
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Hueknows… My diffrence with your take is this… If we don’t make the playoffs I’m not putting it on Palmer….. Just my opinion.. But I think theirs plenty of blame plus injurys to go around… Palmers fault?.. No ..I’d put more blame on Bresnahan than I would Palmer…
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That’s not where the difference is. If we don’t make the playoffs I wouldn’t necessarily put it on him either, though unless he picks it up he will get some of the blame.
This is where I think the difference is…I don’t think he was worth a 1st and a 2nd especially if we don’t get in. Like I said I think we could have got him for a 2 at the most next year if that’s the case.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
Method is a lot like Beeecham. He is always trying to convince everyone that he is correct just by saying that he is correct and that everyone else is his whooping boy. They are both a lot like the grade school kid who thinks he is a bully. They talk a big game but can’t back it up.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Condolences to Chris. Wish he would’ve had a Farve moment but thats gone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Need I say more folks? He has shown his false logic to be wrong one too many times in here.
He’s done!!!!
RETIRE!!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
someone ask DueceDumb what a FB’s main job function is…..I asked him for the last month….yet no response….you know why he has no response? Becuz he will even trip over his own BS
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
103. Method IS alot like Beecham isn’t he ricochet?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
105.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
Need I say more folks? He has shown his false logic to be wrong one too many times in here.
He’s done!!!!
RETIRE!!
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How are my statements false? you cant even prove em hahahahaha….you can tell who was raised and influenced by women just bythe way they act
December 14th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
repost
You absolutely DO “give up” a 1st and a 2nd for a fighting chance.
As the Raiders are showing…the difference between being a good team and a bad team isn’t really that huge. A player in trouble here, an injury/ies there, next thing you know, you’re looking up at the leaders.
When the chance to have a fighting chance arises…ESPECIALLY when the season’s well underway…the team must go for it. When JCampbell went down, we already knew we had a pretty good team.
Not trying to upgrade the QB spot would have been screwing-over the rest of the team…these guys want to go to the Playoffs NOW (some questionable efforts notwithstanding).
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Hell’s yeah!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Whole blog taken over by one f***ing freak.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
107.GoodOle00 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
103. Method IS alot like Beecham isn’t he ricochet?
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Um Beecher never discusses football….ever….and he has been caught lying…and guess what? Multiple bloggers met me face to face….find another angle will you?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now? Palmers turnovers are just as much of a problem as the defense, and if the qb protects the ball we can win even with a bad defense
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Agreed. Keeping the D off the field and/or allowing Lechler to air it out helps stop the D from being exposed.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
The over under is 48 in our game next week.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Apparently guys….
On a pass play which the RB has no route he is supposed to do something else besides protect.
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Hue pulled the trigger everything that happens after that is moot. Palmer is good enough to win against the leagues best. He does not need to be elite, the oline does.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
110.GoodOle00 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Whole blog taken over by one f***ing freak.
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GoodHoe….maybe if you were bit more of freak you can score a bz or three
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Method, who are these bloggers who have met you face to face? You always reference them but never say who they are.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now?
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Mistic do you think the D-Line is getting the same push it was getting early in the year. Looks like a lot of Titty-wrestling to me…
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Mistic….NO… The defense we saw the last two weeks is not playing the same as they were when we were 4 & 2… Same with the oline… They’ve struggled..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Apparently guys….
the FB is ONLY supposed to block, hence the reason Tonga is better…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
If we had not traded for Palmer and rolled with Boeller we would be 4-9 right now.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
114.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Apparently guys….
On a pass play which the RB has no route he is supposed to do something else besides protect.
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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I never said that…but what is a RB’s main job function?
Do RBs get into the hall of fame for blocking? Do they get into the pro bowl for blocking?
Tell me the main thing they get judged for….still waiting
December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Last week, Method said that Tonga should get at least 20 carries against the Packers. LOL
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
120.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Apparently guys….
the FB is ONLY supposed to block, hence the reason Tonga is better…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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A FB in a power run scheme’s main job function is to be a smashing lead blocker…..but DueceDumb doesnt know that becuz knowing football would be against nature in his mind
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Mistic…example…the Donkeys D isn’t playing like they did the first 5 games….just because you have the same guys or basically the same guys doesn’t mean the level of play stays the same… You know that ..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Yes folks. I was raised and influenced by my awesome strong mother, because my Father died.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
123.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Last week, Method said that Tonga should get at least 20 carries against the Packers. LOL
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actually no i didnt…and even ElkG and others saw that was a troll….thats proof right inthe archives…try again MR lol
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 7th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
Rest Dmac till Detroit. Hue needs to give Tonga at least 20 carries this Sunday.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Well, the running game has stalled big time the past two weeks. Other than the obvious reason (no McFadden) what is causing this?
Is the o-line just sucking?
Is it because teams do not feel a threat on the edges with Bush?
I know we have been getting blown out, so that is why the attepts are down, but even when we tried the past two games, we were shut the fk down.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
now MR go to same thread and see what ElkG and others said about the person(you) who was trolling as me okay
December 14th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
Dutch… Yep… Our front 4 have looked more like Dancing bears than pass rushers..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
MR you even got on as Rusty Hilger and said YOU were the one trolling me hahahahahaha
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Last week, Method said that Tonga should get at least 20 carries against the Packers. LOL
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No… shut up!!!?!?
Did he really say that? Wow
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:07 pm
now MR go to same thread and see what ElkG and others said about the person(you) who was trolling as me okay
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I’m not MR.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Hueknows… My diffrence with your take is this… If we don’t make the playoffs I’m not putting it on Palmer….. Just my opinion.. But I think theirs plenty of blame plus injurys to go around… Palmers fault?.. No ..I’d put more blame on Bresnahan than I would Palmer…
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i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now? Palmers turnovers are just as much of a problem as the defense, and if the qb protects the ball we can win even with a bad defense
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Let’s not forget we are also missing our best playmaker — a guy who was touching the ball about 25x per game — during this entire stretch where Palmer has gone 3-3 as the starter as opposed to our 4-2 start to the season.
And let’s not forget that McFadden was playing at an MVP caliber level when he went down. He was on pace for about 1,650 rushing yards. 2,000+ all-purpose yards and about 15 TDs, despite relinquishing goalline carries to M Bush, when he went down.
When Palmer was signed, the consensus was that this was McFadden’s team and Palmer wouldn’t be forced to come in mid-season and carry the offense while just learning the offense. Obviously all that changed before Palmer even set foot on the field.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
126.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Yes folks. I was raised and influenced by my awesome strong mother, because my Father died.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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Hence the very feminine like nature of your posts lol…point proven
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now?
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Because McFadden, Moore, and Ford are not there to run up the score.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
sure MR lol we all know you are a king of trolls
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
I thought after the Choker Game our pass rush was gonna be lightsout…. Wrong..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
“Mistic do you think the D-Line is getting the same push it was getting early in the year. Looks like a lot of Titty-wrestling to me…”
I call it playing paddy cake you call it Titty-wrestling but yeah your right…..Hue Jackson says that all 4 of our d-Line players get double teamed on every play.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
133.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Last week, Method said that Tonga should get at least 20 carries against the Packers. LOL
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No… shut up!!!?!?
Did he really say that? Wow
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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now go back to that day and see i had a troll on here the same time as me and even ElkG and others saw that….why would I say Tonga get 20 carries? Use that pea sized brian for just once in your life….I always talk about lead blocking not carries for a FB….come on
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
126.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Yes folks. I was raised and influenced by my awesome strong mother, because my Father died.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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Hence the very feminine like nature of your posts lol…point proven
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So you must have been raised by retards? Hence the very retarted like nature of your posts.
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Is it because teams do not feel a threat on the edges with Bush?
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That and the speed demons Moore and Ford stretching the D out.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Jhill..that’s a good point… Not the same offense..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
# DutchRaider77 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now?
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Mistic do you think the D-Line is getting the same push it was getting early in the year. Looks like a lot of Titty-wrestling to me…
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:04 pm
Mistic….NO… The defense we saw the last two weeks is not playing the same as they were when we were 4 & 2… Same with the oline… They’ve struggled..
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I do think this is the same defense but the constant 3 & outs, and costly bungling turn overs have left them out to dry.
We sacked rogers 5 times, the d line is tsill getting pressure at times.
This is the same defense that coughed up 35 points vs buffalo in the second half, almost let the donks and browns back in the game, and almost gave it up to the texans.’
the difference has been the turn overs from palmer, and failure to sustain drives
December 14th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
“And let’s not forget that McFadden was playing at an MVP caliber level when he went down. He was on pace for about 1,650 rushing yards. 2,000+ all-purpose yards and about 15 TDs, despite relinquishing goalline carries to M Bush, when he went down.
When Palmer was signed, the consensus was that this was McFadden’s team and Palmer wouldn’t be forced to come in mid-season and carry the offense while just learning the offense. Obviously all that changed before Palmer even set foot on the field.”
This is a good point!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
Hueknows… My diffrence with your take is this… If we don’t make the playoffs I’m not putting it on Palmer….. Just my opinion.. But I think theirs plenty of blame plus injurys to go around… Palmers fault?.. No ..I’d put more blame on Bresnahan than I would Palmer…
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i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now? Palmers turnovers are just as much of a problem as the defense, and if the qb protects the ball we can win even with a bad defense
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Let’s not forget we are also missing our best playmaker — a guy who was touching the ball about 25x per game — during this entire stretch where Palmer has gone 3-3 as the starter as opposed to our 4-2 start to the season.
And let’s not forget that McFadden was playing at an MVP caliber level when he went down. He was on pace for about 1,650 rushing yards. 2,000+ all-purpose yards and about 15 TDs, despite relinquishing goalline carries to M Bush, when he went down.
When Palmer was signed, the consensus was that this was McFadden’s team and Palmer wouldn’t be forced to come in mid-season and carry the offense while just learning the offense. Obviously all that changed before Palmer even set foot on the field.
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well put chris, but i would also have to pont out that we won games last year with ford barely playing, dmac hurt, and moore still in college, and the same defense.
why are these issues suddenly the blame?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
With those speed burners we could stretch the field…. Theyre gone now and the Defense stacks the Los … So it may appear Bush is not running as well but the reality if the field shrunk when we lost those fast guys, Moore, Ford , Mcafadden ..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Entertaining Back and Forth..
CCT@inside the oakland raiders, no place id rather be.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Early in the year Raiders were able to sustain drives by running the ball. if they were still able to do so Palmer would not be turning the ball over.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
142.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
126.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:06 pm
Yes folks. I was raised and influenced by my awesome strong mother, because my Father died.
Which has nothing to do with the fact that…
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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Hence the very feminine like nature of your posts lol…point proven
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So you must have been raised by retards? Hence the very retarted like nature of your posts.
#MethodtoMyMadnessisDone
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woooooooooooooo what a comeback that was….dont be upset with me that your a lil on the soft side of things…take it up with God
December 14th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow by VittorioTafur
#Raiders allow league-worst 5.2 ypc; #Lions next worst at 5.1. Only 8 teams since merger have allowed 5+ ypc for season.
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blame carson all you want haters.
this defense is terrible.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Fk Raiders we need Sunday. Will be at game, all of you get out there too and let’s get drunk and make noise. Win Sunday and we are so close to playoff football
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
sure MR lol we all know you are a king of trolls
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I am not MR. I live in Chicago. He lives in Sacramento. I have never been to Sacramento. I also do not have a thing for my cousin.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
DueceDumb…you are so stupid you let MR just fool you into one of his games…..pitiful….still no rebuttal about me rippin you about the Tonga and 20 carries thing…..come on jcat…man up and take the makeup off your face
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
i have never seen so many people make so many excuses for the qb in all my life! Oh wait, i take that back, i saw it last year with grads.
people will suspend reality and make it excuses as long as it favors their favorite
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
154.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
sure MR lol we all know you are a king of trolls
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I am not MR. I live in Chicago. He lives in Sacramento. I have never been to Sacramento. I also do not have a thing for my cousin.
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Same guy for months who said he would come nov 5th and meet me face to face hahahahahahahaha….its MR
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Mistic… Because our Qb went down in game 7… McFaddens out, moored been out.. And Fords been out… And our defense has taken a vacation… That’s why we’re losing ..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1,
You must know that ther minute we traded those picks for Carson Palmer it meant the end of Jason Campbell as the Raiders starting QB (barring injury of course). You understand that there is simply no way in hell the Raiders are going to keep JC to start of Palmer next year right?
I mean, these things are clear even to you correct?
Time to put your Campbell torch down until he signs with another team and leads them to the glory land lol. Then you can come in and tell us how much Campbell is better than Palmer.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Method To My Madness, FYI this whole thing was a joke. And I have to admit was pretty fun.
I thought you would pick up on the sarcasm…but…you didnt lol…
Helped me almost kill all the time til im off work though!!! THANKS!!
But ya, I could care less about reputation on this blog.
BACK TO FOOTBALL…
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
156.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
i have never seen so many people make so many excuses for the qb in all my life! Oh wait, i take that back, i saw it last year with grads.
people will suspend reality and make it excuses as long as it favors their favorite
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hahahahahah for palmer thats damn true…he gets a pass with others…not me
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
J Hill Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
i dont get this argument though, this is the same defense we had when we were 4-2. Why cant we win with this defense now?
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Because McFadden, Moore, and Ford are not there to run up the score.
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Also, not quite the same defense.
No more Matt S and Seymour has been a shell of his former self since he got banged up.
Seymour had 5 sacks and was averaging 4.5 tackles per game in the first 5 games. He has 1 sack and is averaging less than 1 tackle per game since that time.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
We’re problably lucky we’ve only lost 3 games since Campbell went down and Palmer took over.. Concidering the injuries to our offense..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Brien Bootlicker definitely said Tonga should get 20 carries last week.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
The DeuceDeuce/Method To My Madness debate is almost as good as MistaBrown/Oakglenn debates!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
160.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Method To My Madness, FYI this whole thing was a joke. And I have to admit was pretty fun.
I thought you would pick up on the sarcasm…but…you didnt lol…
Helped me almost kill all the time til im off work though!!! THANKS!!
But ya, I could care less about reputation on this blog.
BACK TO FOOTBALL…
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we were talking football…but you ignore main function of a rb and fb….sad
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Talk’s cheap Hue.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
I dont care who you are but if you say Tonga should get more than 1 carry in a game… you got some splaining to do.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
156.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
i have never seen so many people make so many excuses for the qb in all my life! Oh wait, i take that back, i saw it last year with grads.
people will suspend reality and make it excuses as long as it favors their favorite
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I do agree with Campbell over Garbagekowski!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
164.KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Brien Bootlicker definitely said Tonga should get 20 carries last week.
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thats a lie you dummy….you are such a lying old fk…have you not seen people copying names in here the last month?
oh yeah i forgot you lie….what is it the naacp was started by black people? lol
December 14th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
168.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
I dont care who you are but if you say Tonga should get more than 1 carry in a game… you got some splaining to do.
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not once have i called for a carry
December 14th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
“Early in the year Raiders were able to sustain drives by running the ball. if they were still able to do so Palmer would not be turning the ball over.”
Finally someone who knows football!
Post of the day!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
160.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Method To My Madness, FYI this whole thing was a joke. And I have to admit was pretty fun.
I thought you would pick up on the sarcasm…but…you didnt lol…
Helped me almost kill all the time til im off work though!!! THANKS!!
But ya, I could care less about reputation on this blog.
BACK TO FOOTBALL…
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we were talking football…but you ignore main function of a rb and fb….sad
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Dude, you cant pinhole a RB & FB’s main function to the WHOLE GAME. It goes play by play, they have different roles. Its not even a hard concept to get.
You have a problem admitting you might be wrong about things. Its not that big of a deal to be wrong on a blog.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
We’re problably lucky we’ve only lost 3 games since Campbell went down and Palmer took over.. Concidering the injuries to our offense..
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We only beat Chicago who just lost their QB, SD who was in the middle of a 6 game losing streak and the Vikes who…well enough said
December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
NEWS FLASH : WERE NOT THAT GOOD
December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
“i have never seen so many people make so many excuses for the qb in all my life! ”
If you were not in here bashing Palmer claiming that JC is so much better there would not be ONE SINGLE post defending him. So you are the culprit of all of these Palmer defenders.
You created this blog full of Palmer posts are you happy?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
101.ElkGRaider Says:
December 7th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 7th, 2011 at 3:26 pm
ElkG….are u not paying attention? Did you see troll’s response “Because I can do it”?….seriously why in hell would I say give tonga 20 carries. I never said give him one
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Ha…my bad
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Kell has been killed….again
December 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Let’s see, Raiders ranked last in home attendance in the NFL in 2010 with one sellout. 46,431 per game. 2011 so far, average attendance 63,026. 16,595 per game increase. With tickets, merchandise, food and beverage sales of $100. per person, increase of gross revenue $1,659,000 per home game, was Carson Palmer a better option than Boller. Doubt if Soup would have done that.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
173.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
160.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Method To My Madness, FYI this whole thing was a joke. And I have to admit was pretty fun.
I thought you would pick up on the sarcasm…but…you didnt lol…
Helped me almost kill all the time til im off work though!!! THANKS!!
But ya, I could care less about reputation on this blog.
BACK TO FOOTBALL…
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we were talking football…but you ignore main function of a rb and fb….sad
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Dude, you cant pinhole a RB & FB’s main function to the WHOLE GAME. It goes play by play, they have different roles. Its not even a hard concept to get.
You have a problem admitting you might be wrong about things. Its not that big of a deal to be wrong on a blog.
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ive done that many of times…you dont pay attention i see
December 14th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
178.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Let’s see, Raiders ranked last in home attendance in the NFL in 2010 with one sellout. 46,431 per game. 2011 so far, average attendance 63,026. 16,595 per game increase. With tickets, merchandise, food and beverage sales of $100. per person, increase of gross revenue $1,659,000 per home game, was Carson Palmer a better option than Boller. Doubt if Soup would have done that.
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all 3 home games with soup were sold out already
December 14th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
Kellyyyyyyyy
December 14th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow by PGutierrezCSN
Carson Palmer coming off his 2nd 4 INT gameFollowed pvs one in 07 w/ his most accurate game ever: 32-38 in 35-6 win over Ten
5 minutes ago
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THAT WOULD BE NICE SUNDAY LOL
December 14th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
and Method To My Madness, the reason I was joking about “punishing” you was because THAT DOESNT MATTER. You dont realize how immature and foolish you sound when you say “I destroyed them” or “I killed them” or things like that.
This is a blog on the internet about football & the Raiders.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
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Dude, you cant pinhole a RB & FB’s main function to the WHOLE GAME. It goes play by play, they have different roles. Its not even a hard concept to get.
You have a problem admitting you might be wrong about things. Its not that big of a deal to be wrong on a blog.
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ive done that many of times…you dont pay attention i see
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Your right. I dont pay attention much. Because this is just a blog I like to talk Raiders on every now and then.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
183.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
and Method To My Madness, the reason I was joking about “punishing” you was because THAT DOESNT MATTER. You dont realize how immature and foolish you sound when you say “I destroyed them” or “I killed them” or things like that.
This is a blog on the internet about football & the Raiders.
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immature? maybe….foolish? naw never…im on point most ofthe ways
December 14th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
184.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:23 pm
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Dude, you cant pinhole a RB & FB’s main function to the WHOLE GAME. It goes play by play, they have different roles. Its not even a hard concept to get.
You have a problem admitting you might be wrong about things. Its not that big of a deal to be wrong on a blog.
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ive done that many of times…you dont pay attention i see
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Your right. I dont pay attention much. Because this is just a blog I like to talk Raiders on every now and then.
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exactly lol
December 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
182.raiderinparadise Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:24 pm
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow by PGutierrezCSN
Carson Palmer coming off his 2nd 4 INT gameFollowed pvs one in 07 w/ his most accurate game ever: 32-38 in 35-6 win over Ten
5 minutes ago
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THAT WOULD BE NICE SUNDAY LOL
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naw he cant pass 38 times…no way
December 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I say that with all due respect. Not a put down in any way just a heads up.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
people will suspend reality and make it excuses as long as it favors their favorite
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But you on the other hand would never do such a thing.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Kell….come on with some more lies…..its entertaining….did your boss get on you about blogging while at work yet? Mr Naussman right?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
176.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:22 pm
“i have never seen so many people make so many excuses for the qb in all my life! ”
If you were not in here bashing Palmer claiming that JC is so much better there would not be ONE SINGLE post defending him. So you are the culprit of all of these Palmer defenders.
You created this blog full of Palmer posts are you happy?
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This is true…..no one is happy about Palmer’s turnovers. But many of his turnovers have come when the shiznit was already avalanching on us….his last 3 in the GB game and all 3 in the KC game.
If the defense and running game were working and he was throwing late game picks to cost us games, that would be another story.
Everything just kind of fell apart on this team, and it isn’t Palmer’s fault. Point the finger at Chucky B and that horrible defense….and our coverage teams….and either the o-line or the RBs for not getting it done.
Palmer deserves some blame, especially that first int in the BG game….that was very bad, but teams should be able to overcome something like that. We just crumbled and the D let some old man have a near career day running against us on about 10 carries. Sick.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Also, T.V. revenues for the home games.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Now…
I might just start Carson Palmer now with those little tid bits of info..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
“You dont realize how immature and foolish you sound when you say “I destroyed them” or “I killed them” or things like that.”
I have never understood that as well. This is a blog full of opinions how one opinion would destroy another is beyond me I see it in here everyday not accusing one person.
Just a funny thing I read in here that really has no logic behind it. Does there have to be a winner and a loser regarding a BLOG post?
Maybe if we were playing checkers or Dominoes I could see someone saying I destroyed you. But we are not we are debating opinions….and you know what they say about opinions…
December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
We just crumbled and the D let some old man have a near career day running against us on about 10 carries. Sick.
McGehee?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
Just like the Roman days: the Lions will be destroyed in the Coliseum!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
188.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
I say that with all due respect. Not a put down in any way just a heads up.
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ah nevermind that heads up stuff
December 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
189.silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
people will suspend reality and make it excuses as long as it favors their favorite
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But you on the other hand would never do such a thing.
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hahahahaha
December 14th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
I didn’t think anyone read all of that stuff. Why would you?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
195.silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
We just crumbled and the D let some old man have a near career day running against us on about 10 carries. Sick.
McGehee?
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him too, but I was talking about Grant. He hadn’t done crap in about a season and a half….next thing you know he is working the pathetic Raider D.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Mistic…example…the Donkeys D isn’t playing like they did the first 5 games….just because you have the same guys or basically the same guys doesn’t mean the level of play stays the same… You know that ..
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The Denver D is playing well because the QB is playing well and does not TURN THE BALL OVER TO THE OTHER TEAM ! Hense 6 game winning streak !
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Jason Campbell will never play another down for the Oakland Raiders: FACT. Unless he takes 2nd string QB money, of course.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
195.silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:32 pm
We just crumbled and the D let some old man have a near career day running against us on about 10 carries. Sick.
McGehee?
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him too, but I was talking about Grant. He hadn’t done crap in about a season and a half….next thing you know he is working the pathetic Raider D.
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Just a feeble attempt at humor on my part.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
THAT WOULD BE NICE SUNDAY LOL
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naw he cant pass 38 times…no way
@ method
Ha, I know, I just mean that hopefully he plays well with about a 22-27 pass attemtps.
And Bush and Hopefuuly recde/jones can spell some yards.
Little Tonga action power blocking and some reece slips into the flats.
Palmer over top
DHB and myers/boss underneath.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
The QB for Denver was 3 for 16 through 3 quarters. If he were on the Raiders, the game would have already been over. Don’t be stupid! 90% of the Raiders problems are on DEFENSE!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Tebow would be 0-8 if he played with the Raiders defense: FACT.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
“him too, but I was talking about Grant. He hadn’t done crap in about a season and a half….next thing you know he is working the pathetic Raider D. ”
Yeah here is a guy that has not done anything in almost 2 years sitting behind Starks on the depth chart and “BAM” we make him look like Marshall Faulk!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
204.raiderinparadise Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
THAT WOULD BE NICE SUNDAY LOL
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naw he cant pass 38 times…no way
@ method
Ha, I know, I just mean that hopefully he plays well with about a 22-27 pass attemtps.
And Bush and Hopefuuly recde/jones can spell some yards.
Little Tonga action power blocking and some reece slips into the flats.
Palmer over top
DHB and myers/boss underneath.
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no DHB deep? lol
December 14th, 2011 at 4:39 pm
beach Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
The QB for Denver was 3 for 16 through 3 quarters. If he were on the Raiders, the game would have already been over. Don’t be stupid! 90% of the Raiders problems are on DEFENSE!
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Yea but I wonder what % of those problems started with the defense being given a short field to defend?
Were forgeting to equate a unseen part of the solution. MOMENTUM
December 14th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
“The QB for Denver was 3 for 16 through 3 quarters. If he were on the Raiders, the game would have already been over. Don’t be stupid! 90% of the Raiders problems are on DEFENSE!”
Most people don’t know about that because they see the ESPN highlights of the last 3 minutes of a game and think Teblow is Joe Montana.
Before the 4th quarter the guy had 45 yards passing and one INT.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5iFsyaljotNCsnPSzq9tjRtOkPKZg?docId=e3c1b02ccc1a42b78e94120a4a2f53a5
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Any thoughts Kell?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Let’s see……Trade a #1 and a #2 (or another #1)for a pretty good QB? The last two #1 picks we got are DHB and McClain. I’d trade both of them right now for a good QB. Not much risk in that trade.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
If Chucky B had any self respect he would have resigned after the past two weeks.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
no DHB deep? lol
@ method…
No way! He is best underneath catching the ball with his stomach behind LB’s. Moore back will help him get those looks. Moore really can help even with limited catches because he was doubled all game against vikings and it helps the others and Palmer. If palmer only has to read one safety on 3rd downs cuz of moore, than moore helps dramtically with or without touches.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
At some point the Raiders have to run Taiwan Jones up the middle a few times just to keep opposing defenses honest. If Bush can’t run wide and Jones cant run up the middle your personnel is completely exposing your scheme.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
ELWAYs TEETH Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Let’s see……Trade a #1 and a #2 (or another #1)for a pretty good QB? The last two #1 picks we got are DHB and McClain. I’d trade both of them right now for a good QB. Not much risk in that trade.
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Isn’t there someone else who is going to be in charge of the draft next year?
December 14th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Everyone ready to completely live “1984″? lol
December 14th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
….and if Hue Jackson had a brain he would have fired Chucky B two seconds after he got the call about Al kicking the bucket.
There were semi-adequate DCs sitting at home in October waiting for a call….
December 14th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
154.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
sure MR lol we all know you are a king of trolls
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I am not MR. I live in Chicago. He lives in Sacramento. I have never been to Sacramento. I also do not have a thing for my cousin.
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Same guy for months who said he would come nov 5th and meet me face to face hahahahahahahaha….its MR
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Obviously I lied about meeting up with you. Why would I want to ruin a perfectly nice trip to Oakland by associating with trash like you.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Palmer can and has passed around 38 times :
Last 3 games…
GB – 42
MIA – 41
CHI – 37
December 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
George Orwell 1984
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Where is Buddy Guys blues club located in Chicago.
We used to play there in the 90’s so I know exactly where it is.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Also, Raiders are going to kill the Lions this week. Yes, you heard me right. Raiders 42, Lions 21
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
OK im out. Til the moro ninjas.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
220.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Palmer can and has passed around 38 times :
Last 3 games…
GB – 42
MIA – 41
CHI – 37
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bears game with reece stinking it up as a blocker…but palmer has no biz throwing that much…saw how close that game was too…no biz it shoulda been and u seen other two right?
our offense works best when it 25 passes and under
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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You also just said you know MR is from Sactown..Now why on earth would you know that if you weren’t….never mind
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
Where is Buddy Guys blues club located in Chicago.
We used to play there in the 90’s so I know exactly where it is.
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It is down in the South Loop by Colombia College. I went there once. My old landlord used to be a blues drummer and new Buddy Guy. His name was James Sims.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Answer the question Albert Bigelow Paine
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
*knew Buddy Guy
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
our offense works best when it 25 passes and under
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+1
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
7th and Wabash right next to a titty bar
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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You also just said you know MR is from Sactown..Now why on earth would you know that if you weren’t….never mind
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Everyone knows that MR is from Sacramento.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
219.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
154.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:15 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:09 pm
sure MR lol we all know you are a king of trolls
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I am not MR. I live in Chicago. He lives in Sacramento. I have never been to Sacramento. I also do not have a thing for my cousin.
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Same guy for months who said he would come nov 5th and meet me face to face hahahahahahahaha….its MR
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Obviously I lied about meeting up with you. Why would I want to ruin a perfectly nice trip to Oakland by associating with trash like you.
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hahahahahahahahahahaha
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Everyone knows that MR is from Sacramento.
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Not me cause I don’t give a Fvck
December 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
233.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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You also just said you know MR is from Sactown..Now why on earth would you know that if you weren’t….never mind
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Everyone knows that MR is from Sacramento.
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yes we all know you from sactown
December 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Albert Puss, I didn’t think you were MR for a long time.
I simply enjoyed the relaxing past time of bagging on both of you separately.
But when you said on the blog that MR is your hero, it was painfully obvious.
Gotta give it to Brian the Genital on that one.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Just laid $200 on Patsy’s -6.5… easy money!!.. this sh!t ends on Sunday! !
December 14th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
221.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
George Orwell 1984
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thats exactly where we are headed!
December 14th, 2011 at 4:56 pm
Busted…lol.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Since this a copycat league, I wonder if that means that more teams are going to be running the read option. what a wierd league.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
238.Master Beeecham Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Albert Puss, I didn’t think you were MR for a long time.
I simply enjoyed the relaxing past time of bagging on both of you separately.
But when you said on the blog that MR is your hero, it was painfully obvious.
Gotta give it to Brian the Genital on that one.
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See hetero folks(B@uce) and homos(beecher) can agree on things at times
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:54 pm
Albert Puss, I didn’t think you were MR for a long time.
I simply enjoyed the relaxing past time of bagging on both of you separately.
But when you said on the blog that MR is your hero, it was painfully obvious.
Gotta give it to Brian the Genital on that one.
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He isn’t my hero. But I admire his work.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:33 pm
476.inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
CP leads us to victory last 3 games we’re 10 and 6 and we’ll make the playoffs (tenn and NYJ will lose at least 1 out of 3) and all the int’s are forgotten. He wins 2 of 3 hope he’ll get it in year 2 like JC looked to be doing, win 1 out of 3 and let’s bring back JC
????????
So, if our defense continues to lose us games and we go 1-2 to end the year that somehow translates into bring back JC over Palmer?
I don’t understand that logic.
The defense gives up 80 points in 2 games and somehow the QB gets blamed? WTF is going on in here?
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The “OFFENSE” gave up close to 40 points in the last two games. Carson Palmer has thrown 8 interceptions in those two games.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Just laid $200 on Patsy’s -6.5… easy money!!.. this sh!t ends on Sunday! !
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Are you really that dumb to bet against Tebow and Jesus?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
KoolKell, if you are still around. Can you get me a sweet deal on a home in Alameda?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Anyone who admires MR must be MR himself… LOL.. no one would ever admit that either… unless you are MR. .. sorry bigelow.. you are sully.. just st Fu up!,.. your embarrassing yourself again..
December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
246.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:59 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Just laid $200 on Patsy’s -6.5… easy money!!.. this sh!t ends on Sunday! !
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Are you really that dumb to bet against Tebow and Jesus?
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boy MR you’re an idiot
December 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
247.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:00 pm
KoolKell, if you are still around. Can you get me a sweet deal on a home in Alameda?
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hahahahahahah joke of the day here
December 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
222.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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1st.Best Steakhouse in Chicago
2nd Where is original Billy Goats located
3rd. Where is King Dawg
December 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
248.ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Anyone who admires MR must be MR himself… LOL.. no one would ever admit that either… unless you are MR. .. sorry bigelow.. you are sully.. just st Fu up!,.. your embarrassing yourself again..
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lmao money
December 14th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
251.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
222.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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1st.Best Steakhouse in Chicago
2nd Where is original Billy Goats located
3rd. Where is King Dawg
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wait…he is using google
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
It’s no coincidence that Palmer’s play started to fall off whaen we lost our two best WR’s. Look what he has to work with. I like DHB. Guy has heart, but he is still raw. Chaz can’t stay healthy and Housh looks old and slow.I don’t know what’s up with Murphy. he has regressed
Palmer seemed to be building some rapport with ford and moore. And consider that he still has never shared the field with Dmac, something all you campbell apologists seem to forget. Dmac made it a hell of a lot easier for Campbell.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Albert Puss, what “work” are you admiring, exactly?
You mean the steady flow of duds he drops on the blog from the comfort of his mom’s basement?
That’s like Brian the Genital announcing he loves his grandpa Krappy when the two almost killed each other after the last Kelly Family Thanksgiving Miracle Dinner.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
255.Master Beeecham Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Albert Puss, what “work” are you admiring, exactly?
You mean the steady flow of duds he drops on the blog from the comfort of his mom’s basement?
That’s like Brian the Genital announcing he loves his grandpa Krappy when the two almost killed each other after the last Kelly Family Thanksgiving Miracle Dinner.
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i dont believe in thanksgiving you moron for obvious reasons
December 14th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
One area that has undeniably improved however is the offensive line. The team rewarded a steady piece of that line right tackle Erik Pears, 29, on Tuesday with a multiyear contract extension.
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Erik Pears got paid in Buffalo.
He was on our Cable team.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
Billy Goats is under Michigan Avenue. Made famous on Sat Night Live with skit by John Beluchi and Dan Akroyd
“Cheeseburger, Cheesburger, Chips, Pepsi!” Curse on the CUbbies in 1945. Remember Dakota?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Erik Pears got paid in Buffalo.
He was on our Cable team.
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I guess the brain trust at that time preferred Barnes.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Steve Bartman for prez!
December 14th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Best independent Steakhouse, Gene and Georgetti’s.
The last one, I prefer Portillos to King Dawg. I Understand Portillos opened 2 location in So. Cal.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Palmer is not our problem, our problem is our best playmakers on offense are out, our defense hasnt improved at all , still make stupid penalties, and we have a mlb who shoots the wrong gap 3 out of 4 times , is slower then some dlineman and then after his defense gets torched for 2 games boasts that his mother said he ’s played well since he was arrested. Mcclain is a cancer and until we get a real leader in the middle of the field our defense regardless of the dcoordinator will still be below average.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
ABP ,
How far is Rockford from CHI town ?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:21 pm
Erik Pears got paid in Buffalo.
He was on our Cable team.
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I guess the brain trust at that time preferred Barnes.
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Uh, they also signed Langston Walker and Cornell green to nice contracts…
December 14th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I guess the brain trust at that time preferred Barnes.
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He is our 5th best reciever …
December 14th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
and Lechler is our 2nd best QB
December 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:19 pm
ABP ,
How far is Rockford from CHI town ?
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Who cares? Rockford sucks. I suppose I could google the mileage. I know that Billy Corgan is from there and so is Cheap Trick.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
“Coach Jackson senses ‘urgency, intensity’ in players”
Great. Too bad it comes two weeks too late.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
Physicists in Europe offer findings of “God particle”.
BSPN rather insists every 84 seconds of every broadcast that it resides in a white male.
just the facts ma’am
December 14th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
PTI, asked yesterday, who’s the biggest disappointment, Carson Palmer or Josh Freeman.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
Best independent Steakhouse, Gene and Georgetti’s.
The last one, I prefer Portillos to King Dawg. I Understand Portillos opened 2 location in So. Cal.
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I don’t eat meat. The best vegetarian restaurant in Chicago is called Chicago Diner and it is on Halsted north of Belmont.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
270.KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
PTI, asked yesterday, who’s the biggest disappointment, Carson Palmer or Josh Freeman.
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Michael Kelly is the answer
December 14th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Freeman by far
December 14th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Kell, how much is one of your houses in Alameda?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
May Chris Johnson heal from those unthinkable wounds…
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
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Uno’s or Due’s?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Some of y’all, are going to need to run down to Target and stock up on some new purses….
The swinging has benn fast, furious and funny….
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Chris Paul to clippers.. what a waste!! That Guy can’t get over the Donald Sterling factor. ..losers!!
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
The an anonymous source at NFL headquarters today acknowledged that it has employed a voodoo priest to stab effigies of various Raider players in the feet with needles resulting in injury as well as to club various Raider players in the head with a bone to create boneheaded penalties.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
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Uno’s or Due’s?
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Are you talking about the pizza place? I’ve never been. I don’t like waiting in line for food.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
# Dakota Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:16 pm
Mistic1,
You must know that ther minute we traded those picks for Carson Palmer it meant the end of Jason Campbell as the Raiders starting QB (barring injury of course). You understand that there is simply no way in hell the Raiders are going to keep JC to start of Palmer next year right?
I mean, these things are clear even to you correct?
Time to put your Campbell torch down until he signs with another team and leads them to the glory land lol. Then you can come in and tell us how much Campbell is better than Palmer.
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i dont recall talking about palmer vs jc on this thread, just palmer’s struggles
why is that so difficult for you and others to accept on it own?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
My parents went to Marshall H.S. in Chicago. I understand Ronald McDonald carries an Uzi and has a bandaleer with reloads.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Albert Puss refuses to wait in line and is a vegetarian.
Pretty much just what I thought. A whiny little wimp who’ll only drink non fat milk.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
Early in the year Raiders were able to sustain drives by running the ball. if they were still able to do so Palmer would not be turning the ball over.
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tru but why are we suddenly unable to run? is bush so bad he cant be effective? no, the answer is palmer hasnt proven to the nfl that he can beat the 8 man fronts and pass rush. Teams are now stacking the box on run downs and blitzing the pants of palmer on passing downs.
If palmer can make them pay consistently the run lanes will open again
December 14th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
With those speed burners we could stretch the field…. Theyre gone now and the Defense stacks the Los … So it may appear Bush is not running as well but the reality if the field shrunk when we lost those fast guys, Moore, Ford , Mcafadden ..
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not true, chaz murph and dhb are all 4.3 guys, they still get deep, but palmer hasnt been able to hit them
December 14th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
the o-line has not held up its end of the bargain in the previous two weeks.
blame coaches, playcalling or QB all you wish, o-line has to regain form.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
Puss, any more embarrassing personal information you want to give us?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Sounds good. We’ll see.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
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Uno’s or Due’s?
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Are you talking about the pizza place? I’ve never been. I don’t like waiting in line for food.
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he ain’t from Chicago. lst off anyone from chicago has eaten at either of those places at least a couple of times. And at 1 in the morning this is no line.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
274.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Kell, how much is one of your houses in Alameda?
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HAHAHAHA
December 14th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
282.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
My parents went to Marshall H.S. in Chicago. I understand Ronald McDonald carries an Uzi and has a bandaleer with reloads.
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like Arthur Agee in “Hoop Dreams”……that school is smack dab in the hood!
December 14th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Mystic… Chaz has been sidelined more often than not… Dhb is still developing and hasn’t been able to use his speed… Come on man…. They’ve been stacking the box on Bush and you know it… The coaches even said the defenses are playing them diffrent now..
December 14th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
The Raiders do not deserve to be in the new orleans bowl, let alone the playoffs!
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
278.ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Chris Paul to clippers.. what a waste!! That Guy can’t get over the Donald Sterling factor. ..losers!!
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NBA guys are suckas…those who would play for Sterling deserve bad to happen to them
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
293..you don’t wanna wait and see what happens these last 3 games… ?… I can’t throw the towel in till the race is over …
December 14th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
It’s no coincidence that Palmer’s play started to fall off whaen we lost our two best WR’s. Look what he has to work with. I like DHB. Guy has heart, but he is still raw. Chaz can’t stay healthy and Housh looks old and slow.I don’t know what’s up with Murphy. he has regressed
Palmer seemed to be building some rapport with ford and moore. And consider that he still has never shared the field with Dmac, something all you campbell apologists seem to forget. Dmac made it a hell of a lot easier for Campbell.
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no need for excuses, the qb must throw to which ever guys are healthy enough to be on the field not the other team.
we won without dmac ford and moore last year, why is it impossible now?
Do you need a star runnin back to play at a decent level at qb? especially if you are supposed to be “elite” like you said palmer was? i dont see other “elite” so called qbs needing a star running back of dmacs caliber.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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Whats your point?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
Mystic…lol..you aren’t gonna try and argue that a good running game won’t help a Qb are you?.. Might even make a Qb better ..
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
nycraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
Palmer is not our problem, our problem is our best playmakers on offense are out, our defense hasnt improved at all , still make stupid penalties, and we have a mlb who shoots the wrong gap 3 out of 4 times , is slower then some dlineman
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we had all of these issues last year as well but some how they didnt negate winning. You can over come all of the issues you mentioned they are valid, but the qb must protect the ball and execute at a high level to get it done. our qb hasnt arrived at that point yet
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
295.KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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Translation: Horses wear horse shoes
Thanks Kell…so inspiring when you drop these gems on us
December 14th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
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Uno’s or Due’s?
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Are you talking about the pizza place? I’ve never been. I don’t like waiting in line for food.
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he ain’t from Chicago. lst off anyone from chicago has eaten at either of those places at least a couple of times. And at 1 in the morning this is no line.
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I am not from Chicago. I have lived here for 10 years.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
298.silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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Whats your point?
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Sky is blue…water is wet….the moon comes out at night
December 14th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Speaking of the hood. I had a job interview the other day and had to take the Kimball bus to Lake street and get on the Green Line. That neighborhood is ghetto as sh*t.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
302.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:52 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That question was easy. Give me another one.
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Uno’s or Due’s?
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Are you talking about the pizza place? I’ve never been. I don’t like waiting in line for food.
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he ain’t from Chicago. lst off anyone from chicago has eaten at either of those places at least a couple of times. And at 1 in the morning this is no line.
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I am not from Chicago. I have lived here for 10 years.
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Now he not from chicago lol
December 14th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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Whats your point?
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Point? Hahahahahhahaaahha
December 14th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Freeman by far
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clearly crapson palmer is. freeeman is still very young but you dont expect a 9 year vet qb to throw the ball to panick with yellow socks and lob the ball into quintuple coverage.
There were 5 gb defenders around the ball on palmers first back breaking pick
December 14th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
I know someone on this blog is from Chicago. Go ahead and test me. I will prove that I am no MR.
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Famous pizza joint with writing on all the walls. Name it.
First one was in Chicago. Name it.
Five states seen from what tower? Name it.
Name Oprahs building.
Suburb that Bo lives in. Name it.
Intensly famous jazz bar. Name it.
OK, I believe your from Chicago.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
time to go lol…yall be good…CODE BLACK
December 14th, 2011 at 5:56 pm
Brien, I never said I was from Chicago. I live here. I am ready to get out of here, though. I hate the Midwest. Rather live in Oakland. Kell, are you give me some info, or what? You are one crappy realtor.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Krappy, you’ve got a hot lead right here on the blog!
Put down your Googlie Machine (thanks for that gem, norco) and set Albert Puss up in the home of his dreams!
ahhh, if only you had a listing … or anything in the past 5 years …
December 14th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
262 agreed. Palmer can’t run the same o as JC did? Where’s the play calling Hue. More plays for Rock.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Famous pizza joint with writing on all the walls. Name it.
First one was in Chicago. Name it.
Five states seen from what tower? Name it.
Name Oprahs building.
Suburb that Bo lives in. Name it.
Intensly famous jazz bar. Name it.
OK, I believe your from Chicago.
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5 states can be seen from Hancock Tower.
Oprah = HARPO Studios
Jazz Bar, is it the Green Mill
I don’t know the pizza one.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Is the pizza answer Giordano’s?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Are you talking about Bo Jackson?
December 14th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
“i dont believe in thanksgiving you moron for obvious reasons”
The Aliens on History Channel…you know what I am saying….
December 14th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
CP3, Billups, Caron, Blake, DJ =contender, but will they overcome lack of inside scoring?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Mystic… Chaz has been sidelined more often than not… Dhb is still developing and hasn’t been able to use his speed… Come on man…. They’ve been stacking the box on Bush and you know it… The coaches even said the defenses are playing them diffrent now..
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yes they are stacking the box, but not becuase our wrs arent running deep routes, or are slow. But d coordinators have an entire library of footage on palmer, and they have found over the last two years he is susceptible to pass rush and if you choke off the run game he more often than not will make the back breaking mistake.
Teams stack the box, and run blitz on early downs then bet that palmer will crap his pants on long yardage in the face of the pass rush
December 14th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Palmers thrown to many Int’s… Yes… But he’s thrown some beautiful passes as well… And that’s what I’m hoping for… I believe he’ll get better with a full camp and healthy wr’s … As for this year were just gonna have to hope he plays better and the wr’s can stay on the field these last 3 games….. If you just don’t like Palmet or the trade then that’s the way it is…. Im Hoping he’s our starter and plays great for the next 5 seasons…
Raiders 28…… Detroit 23….
December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
we had all of these issues last year
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we had 8 wins last year bruh
December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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no one wants t comment on that? interesting
December 14th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Is the pizza answer Giordano’s?
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Gino’s
December 14th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Palmer’s biggest problem is:
1)No Denarius Moore
2)No Darren McFadden
3)No Jacoby Ford
Now shut the f*ck up Mistic.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
Is the pizza answer Giordano’s?
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Fckng pizza is crazy, and about 2 and a half inches thick. Comes in a frying pan.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:05 pm
# raiderfankirk Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
262 agreed. Palmer can’t run the same o as JC did? Where’s the play calling Hue. More plays for Rock.
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to his credit they have tried to tailor the offense to suit palmer, but identifying what he does well is known by the entire nfl, so teams are forcing him to do things he struggles with, like beating pressure on a consistent basis.
Palmer is very good on deep sideline throws but struggles with the middle f the field, especially intermediate where there are so many defenders. His tendency to force the ball often leads to picks
December 14th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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no one wants t comment on that? interesting
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Whats to comment facts are facts. The question is what are the circumstances behind the facts?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Palmer’s biggest problem is:
1)No Denarius Moore
2)No Darren McFadden
3)No Jacoby Ford
Now shut the f*ck up Mistic.
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this just in we won without them last year, so why cant we win without them now?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
still waiting on your explanation for JC’s 10.7 qb rating versus SF last year? CP new 15% of the playbook threw 3 picks and still had a better qb rating…
December 14th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
#29 in the NFL.
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Better than the run D.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
“Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
no one wants t comment on that? interesting”
I do!
Jason Campbell not only got better but he excelled under Hue Jackson.
Carson Palmer will get better and excel under Hue Jackson.
The future is so bright I have to wear sun glasses!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
http://www.ginoseast.com/flash.html
I been there.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
this just in we won without them last year, so why cant we win without them now?
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Who says the Raiders won’t.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
we won without them last year, so why cant we win without them now?
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We beat Miami and GB last year?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Mistic,
I already did comment. O-line below the Mendoza line for the past two contests.
doesn’t excuse all Palmer miscues or poor decisions
reflects poor run game and harassed QB
witness Pukes. 18-0. Qb rated at 1,000,000. SB XLII – o-line wrecked by G-men d-line. QB rating 82. Loss.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
# KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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no one wants t comment on that? interesting
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Whats to comment facts are facts. The question is what are the circumstances behind the facts?
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these things happen in football, but it cant be an excuse.
schaub won without johnson and foster, now they are winning without schaub.
breeze lost his running backs and colston for a stretch, they survived
rivers has won year in year out while missing jackson and gates
im not saying injuries arent an issue, when the qb plays well its still tough to win with out your best players. however when the qb is lousy you have no shot to win no matter who is on the field with him.
Crapson must avoid the critical errors or we will lose
December 14th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Cp’s shown enough flashes to warrant some patience but if he keeps playing like he did versus gb I’ll want him gone too
December 14th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
I didn’t notice any of your examples having joined the club midseason.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
this just in we won without them last year, so why cant we win without them now?
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Huh? Campbell had McFadden and Ford last year.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
Palmer has a 70.8 passer rating. #29 in the NFL.
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Whats your point?
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Facts are facts, excuses are excuses.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
still waiting on your explanation for JC’s 10.7 qb rating versus SF last year? CP new 15% of the playbook threw 3 picks and still had a better qb rating…
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not sure why you are going back to the comparison ….again however
both games were losses, and both games the qb struggled. yet a low qb rating will never be as bad as 3 picks.
By the way palmer now has 3 games this year with 3 or more picks and two returned for scores.
JC has never had a game with more than 2 picks as a raider
why did you do that to yourself
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Mistic likes black QBs. Quit being a racist.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Misty eyes.. is lobbying for jc to stay.. its not happening dude.. even if cp is not the answer. . Everyone knows that country bumpkin isn’t the answer either..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
33.DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Jesus Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
complete bullschit…palmer has yet to play great in silver and black…hell yall watching?
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Even in the SD game he had 2 turnovers and that was his best game. He was on fire the first half but slowed down that second half and almost cost us the game …
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Bush completely missing his block had more to do with that if you remember. Murphy was wide open for the TD.
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sorry but murphy wasnt catching that…a sideline catch? since when has he done that consistently? he woulda stepped outta bounds….maybe if palmer got rid of it a tad second quicker..ever thought about that?
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Just watched the highlight of the INT in SD. Palmer got hit while he was throwing at 3.3 seconds from snap. How much faster can the guy get the ball out of his hands? Not ALL of the INTs are on Palmer. Sometimes there are just bang bang plays that happen man.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Mistic1,youre man crush on JC is a joke,IMO. Read post 323,ABP,sums it up well,period,as TJ might say.Im not sure if youre love for JC IS GREATER than youre HATE of PALMER.What is the point of whining in here on a daily basis?Can ya be positive about anything?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Didn’t lose 3 outta 4 coming outta the bye week last year to basically kill our playoff chances?
Where is this winning last year with injured starting RB and WRs?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:13 pm
this just in we won without them last year, so why cant we win without them now?
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Huh? Campbell had McFadden and Ford last year.
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perhaps this will help.
when jc beat the chargers the first time last year, and saved us from grads. Dmac was on the shelf and ford was strictly a kick returner, moore was still in college.
When we beat the chiefs, dmac was on the shelf moore was in college.
you cant use injuries as a reason for the qb playing poorly. you might say the qb will be better with better weapons, but injuries have nothing to do with 14 picks in 6 1/2 games
December 14th, 2011 at 6:18 pm
Palmers rated # 29 after 6 starts… Ok.. …Better?… I’ll care if he’s rated that low after the first 4 games next season… After camps and Preseason … We’ve got 3 games left this year…i wanna win them.. Not worry about his rating after 6 games… You can worry about for me ..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Facts are facts, excuses are excuses.
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There is a difference between a reason and an excuse. My one knock on Palmer is that he has been unable to consistently elevate the play of those around him.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
# hendu Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Mistic1,youre man crush on JC is a joke,IMO. Read post 323,ABP,sums it up well,period,as TJ might say.Im not sure if youre love for JC IS GREATER than youre HATE of PALMER.What is the point of whining in here on a daily basis?Can ya be positive about anything?
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actually hendu i was talking about palmer and others brought up jc, i simply responded to statements directed toward me.
For me talking about palmer does not have to involve jc at all, but people cant let it go some how
i dont hate palmer im just honest about what he has done on sundays.
believe me if jc played like palmer is playing i would have said the same thing, but that never happened, and it isnt my fault that it worked out that way
December 14th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
It’s no coincidence that Palmer’s play started to fall off whaen we lost our two best WR’s. Look what he has to work with. I like DHB. Guy has heart, but he is still raw. Chaz can’t stay healthy and Housh looks old and slow.I don’t know what’s up with Murphy. he has regressed
Palmer seemed to be building some rapport with ford and moore. And consider that he still has never shared the field with Dmac, something all you campbell apologists seem to forget. Dmac made it a hell of a lot easier for Campbell.
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no need for excuses, the qb must throw to which ever guys are healthy enough to be on the field not the other team.
we won without dmac ford and moore last year, why is it impossible now?
Do you need a star runnin back to play at a decent level at qb? especially if you are supposed to be “elite” like you said palmer was? i dont see other “elite” so called qbs needing a star running back of dmacs caliber.+++++++++++
Campbell got a training camp with these guys and palmer did not. it’s almost impossible for a guy to come in cold and be expected to make it work with young raw WR’s and the best RB in the league on the bench. Not sure how far we will go this year but next season will be off the charts after he has an offseason with these guys.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Mistic, the Raiders beat the Chiefs because of Jacoby Ford. They beat the Chargers because the defense and special teams came up big.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
Raiders 35, Lions 17
Romo’s landmark “Bacon Speech” fires up the D and those dudes explode onto the field. Stafford throws 3 picks. Lions punch one in in garbage time.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I can’t wait to see jc in Seattle next season..you can follow him over there misty…
December 14th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
these things happen in football, but it cant be an excuse.
schaub won without johnson and foster, now they are winning without schaub.
breeze lost his running backs and colston for a stretch, they survived
rivers has won year in year out while missing jackson and gates
im not saying injuries arent an issue, when the qb plays well its still tough to win with out your best players. however when the qb is lousy you have no shot to win no matter who is on the field with him.
Crapson must avoid the critical errors or we will lose
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Come on bro, you aren’t being honest here.
Johnson and Foster were never out at the same time this year, AND Schaub has the benefit of one of the leagues best defenses, so if his offense struggles he isnt down 30 points in the bling of an eye.
Breeze has had his BEST back (sproles) all year, and he has not had to play a single game without his best back AND best TWO WRs at the same time, I also don’t think anyone in here would say Palmer is as good a QB as Brees is either.
Really? You want to use Rivers in his WORST statistical season in his career as an example? You say he won games with those guys hurt? Well CP has won 3 games without his guys…. no comparison.
You are acting like Palmer hasn’t won a game since he has been here, or that the games we have won have been in spite of palmer? It doesn’t even make sense bro.
Palmer vs JC debate is stupid, because it isn’t even a choice. JC is NOT an option right now, so really the question is who would you rather Hue start Palmer or Boller.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Mistic likes black QBs. Quit being a racist.
# ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Misty eyes.. is lobbying for jc to stay.. its not happening dude.. even if cp is not the answer. . Everyone knows that country bumpkin isn’t the answer either..
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no and no
There is nothing wrong with being a fan of qbs that happen to be black unless YOU are the racist. my first qb hero was jim plunket, he isnt black incase you didnt know.
I am not lobbying for jc, simply talking about palmers need to improve if we are going to win moving forward. It looks like teams have a bead on palmer for the last few years and he isnt to this point reversing the trend, of terrible turn overs and the teams imploding around him.
Jc has nothing to do with that, he made his contribution and i respect what he did. hopefully he will get his money and get a chance to lead another winner, he definitely turned this team around.
Only guys with some sort of strange agenda or peculiar bias wouldnt at the very least acknowledge that fact
December 14th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
Jc would be a great back up.. but that’s it!!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
There is nothing wrong with being a fan of qbs that happen to be black unless YOU are the racist. my first qb hero was jim plunket, he isnt black incase you didnt know.
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Ok, maybe you just don’t like white QBs.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Jc has nothing to do with that, he made his contribution and i respect what he did. hopefully he will get his money and get a chance to lead another winner, he definitely turned this team around.
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agree
December 14th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
we won without dmac ford and moore last year, why is it impossible now?
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We did? Which game did Campbell win when both McFadden and Ford were out at the same time?
Palmer won 2 without those guys… you are right it CAN be done, but the other guys need to step up too. Doesn’t matter how well CP plays if the receivers don’t catch the ball, the line doesnt open wholes for the backs, and the defense doesnt stop the opponents! God damn dude it isnt palmers fault that Green Bay was not forced to punt ONE TIME in against us. The only stop our defense had was mitchells INT. Thats it one possession for the entire game did GB NOT score. How is that ALL Palmers fault?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
Is it true you don’t like cp because he’s white..??.. misty you have to open your eyes bro.. Campbell is avg qb.. he would do good in Baltimore! ! They just need a qb manager..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
# No Mas Diamante Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
It’s no coincidence that Palmer’s play started to fall off whaen we lost our two best WR’s. Look what he has to work with. I like DHB. Guy has heart, but he is still raw. Chaz can’t stay healthy and Housh looks old and slow.I don’t know what’s up with Murphy. he has regressed
Palmer seemed to be building some rapport with ford and moore. And consider that he still has never shared the field with Dmac, something all you campbell apologists seem to forget. Dmac made it a hell of a lot easier for Campbell.
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no need for excuses, the qb must throw to which ever guys are healthy enough to be on the field not the other team.
we won without dmac ford and moore last year, why is it impossible now?
Do you need a star runnin back to play at a decent level at qb? especially if you are supposed to be “elite” like you said palmer was? i dont see other “elite” so called qbs needing a star running back of dmacs caliber.+++++++++++
Campbell got a training camp with these guys and palmer did not. it’s almost impossible for a guy to come in cold and be expected to make it work with young raw WR’s and the best RB in the league on the bench. Not sure how far we will go this year but next season will be off the charts after he has an offseason with these guys.
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i am willing to look at next year separate from this one if he turns it around next year, truthfully though im not certain he will. We will wait and see.
i said after the embarrassing 3 pick 2 pick 6 game vs the chiefs it would be unfair to close the book on palmer based on this year, because he is new, and we really wont know what he has left until next year.
you must have missed that part
December 14th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
still waiting on your explanation for JC’s 10.7 qb rating versus SF last year? CP new 15% of the playbook threw 3 picks and still had a better qb rating…
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not sure why you are going back to the comparison ….again however
both games were losses, and both games the qb struggled. yet a low qb rating will never be as bad as 3 picks.
By the way palmer now has 3 games this year with 3 or more picks and two returned for scores.
JC has never had a game with more than 2 picks as a raider
why did you do that to yourself
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earlier you were mentioning CP’s qb rating for the year and now you simply say well JC had a bad game that day not acknowledging the actual qb rating of 10.7, yes 10.7! Carsons qb rating this past Sunday was in the 40’s. JC got benched for Gradkowski. JC wasn’t resigned by the Redskins. JC will be gone next year. Every pundit (f the pundits but maybe you give them more credibility than I do) said CP was an upgrade. Face it
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Jc has nothing to do with that, he made his contribution and i respect what he did. hopefully he will get his money and get a chance to lead another winner, he definitely turned this team around.
Only guys with some sort of strange agenda or peculiar bias wouldnt at the very least acknowledge that fact
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I have said numerous times I respect JC for what he did for us. He definitely played a big part in pulling us from the depths of NFL purgatory. Really though, in all of your posts that ISN’T what you are saying.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Even if misty was right.. but he’s not.. do you honestly believe hue could play jc and have cp holding a clip board making 12 million a year.. and forking over a 1st and a 2 nd round for a backup.. wake up Misty!! You can’t be that dumb!!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
“Mistic1,youre man crush on JC is a joke,IMO. Read post 323,ABP,sums it up well,period,as TJ might say.Im not sure if youre love for JC IS GREATER than youre HATE of PALMER.What is the point of whining in here on a daily basis?Can ya be positive about anything?”
I have been telling him this for weeks on end the guy wont let it go
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Palmer’s 49-54 career record is not elite.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
i said after the embarrassing 3 pick 2 pick 6 game vs the chiefs it would be unfair to close the book on palmer based on this year, because he is new, and we really wont know what he has left until next year.
you must have missed that part
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Yeah because you haven’t said anything remotely close to that since then, or at least not that I have ever seen.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
these things happen in football, but it cant be an excuse.
schaub won without johnson and foster, now they are winning without schaub.
breeze lost his running backs and colston for a stretch, they survived
rivers has won year in year out while missing jackson and gates
im not saying injuries arent an issue, when the qb plays well its still tough to win with out your best players. however when the qb is lousy you have no shot to win no matter who is on the field with him.
Crapson must avoid the critical errors or we will lose
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Come on bro, you aren’t being honest here.
Johnson and Foster were never out at the same time this year, AND Schaub has the benefit of one of the leagues best defenses, so if his offense struggles he isnt down 30 points in the bling of an eye.
Breeze has had his BEST back (sproles) all year, and he has not had to play a single game without his best back AND best TWO WRs at the same time, I also don’t think anyone in here would say Palmer is as good a QB as Brees is either.
Really? You want to use Rivers in his WORST statistical season in his career as an example? You say he won games with those guys hurt? Well CP has won 3 games without his guys…. no comparison.
You are acting like Palmer hasn’t won a game since he has been here, or that the games we have won have been in spite of palmer? It doesn’t even make sense bro.
Palmer vs JC debate is stupid, because it isn’t even a choice. JC is NOT an option right now, so really the question is who would you rather Hue start Palmer or Boller.=======
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i didnt say they were all out at once, i said they have all missed time and the team still won. Injuries happen and cant be used as an excuse for throwing miserable picks. Losing is one thing but piss poor performance is something that has nothing to do with injuries.
Actually i am on record with stating the the trade was an over reaction and a reach, and more than likely not lead us into the post season. i still could be wrong of course but time is running out, and this sunday its win or go home.
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
Then next year with a healthy team infused with more good young players we would be ready to make the playoffs
December 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
I always hoped Campbell would win when he was in there…. Now I hope Palmer wins ..as I remember Campbell had some games where he stunk up the place and had very low qb ratings …I just want wins…Sunday Palmers rating isn’t gonna matter… He just needs to play smart … Check down or throw it away…
Also think Palmers gonna have a good game aginst the lions secondary
December 14th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
Misty always gets shot down. .badly.. and he never gives up with his wish.. the only thing you should prey for is cp tearing g up his arm.. because cp is not going g anywhere bro.. give it up!”
December 14th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
There is nothing wrong with being a fan of qbs that happen to be black unless YOU are the racist. my first qb hero was jim plunket, he isnt black incase you didnt know.
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Ok, maybe you just don’t like white QBs.
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your mind is smaller than i thought, you are obsesed with race. Does the thought of someon chossing not to worship a white qb make you uncomfortable, even when it is untrue?
You are the racist in that case. Why even bring up race at all?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Palmer’s 49-54 career record is not elite.
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I guess I don’t understand your point. Are you saying that Palmer can’t win as a Raider? I personally believe that with his limited mobility his performance is dependent on the oline.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:38 pm
Kk.. you guys were very quiet during our 3 game winning streak.. fairweather fans.. cp is our qb..period!!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
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From the moment Hue pulled the trigger these words became meaningless.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
Why you Guy’s talking about next year?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Kk is a knuckle head..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:41 pm
Kk.. you guys were very quiet during our 3 game winning streak.. fairweather fans.. cp is our qb..period!!
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Isn’t it the opposite of fair weather fans, whatever that would be.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:42 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:29 pm
still waiting on your explanation for JC’s 10.7 qb rating versus SF last year? CP new 15% of the playbook threw 3 picks and still had a better qb rating…
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not sure why you are going back to the comparison ….again however
both games were losses, and both games the qb struggled. yet a low qb rating will never be as bad as 3 picks.
By the way palmer now has 3 games this year with 3 or more picks and two returned for scores.
JC has never had a game with more than 2 picks as a raider
why did you do that to yourself
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earlier you were mentioning CP’s qb rating for the year and now you simply say well JC had a bad game that day not acknowledging the actual qb rating of 10.7, yes 10.7! Carsons qb rating this past Sunday was in the 40’s. JC got benched for Gradkowski. JC wasn’t resigned by the Redskins. JC will be gone next year. Every pundit (f the pundits but maybe you give them more credibility than I do) said CP was an upgrade. Face it
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it wasnt me that posted palmers rating, but it is bad. The post if i recall wasnt based on one game though it was his rating for the year. Comparing one game to 6 1/2 is apples and oranges.
Just beacuse so called experts said it was an upgrade doesnt mean i have to beleive it. I need to see it on the field, if it happens it will be good for our team. Going by hype is never a good policy. besides the media has an agenda is slanted and biased and i will always be suspicious about what they say. It is a necessary self defense mechanism in amerikkka, for my people.
sad but true
December 14th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
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From the moment Hue pulled the trigger these words became meaningless.
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agreed, but some folks want to see me repeat it, asked me directly so i answered
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Oh,KK,what was Plunks record coming in to the nation?Playing on crappy teams can do that to ya,lol
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Look mistic teams can still win with injuries to good players on O SIDE if teams have = GREAT DEFENSE , GREAT DEFENSE ….. You want to bring up Houston to Prove your point that their still good with no QB n no WR , well don’t they still hAve ARIAN Foster ? N you want to checks stats of Their D N WanT to compare to our D ?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Worship a white Qb?… Where did that come from?… I’m not in here all the time , but I’ve never seen anyone in here worship Palmer…even guys that support him have been critical .. I’m not sure what you want..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
It is a necessary self defense mechanism in amerikkka, for my people.
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I can respect that.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years
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Sorry dude but that isn’t the truth either. IF that was true, then this rash of injuries wouldn’t be so damaging, because we would have QUALITY depth to come in and pick up the slack. We don’t which is why we have struggled so much as a TEAM with these injuries. We all knew going in to this season that a couple of injuries would derail this thing. Hue made moves to try and stave off a collapse, but make no mistake, when Campbell went down our season was over. The Palmer trade gave us a new lease on life for the season. The one position we truly have quality depth at is running back, but with all the injuries to the WRs, opponents are free to stack the box and focus all their efforts on shutting down Bush. If McFadden were playing right now, with Ford and Moore out, DHB nicked and the dropsies coming back, Schillens less than 100% and Murphy playing scared he would be struggling as well, although his skill set allows for a bit more flexibilty than Bush. This team is paper thin at EVERY position man. That does not speak well to ‘bolstering’ through the draft.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Dude.. Misty is a racist.. you have an agenda..never mind.. you have said it all.. ill never debate the qb position with you again…you sound stupid bro…
December 14th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I agree Palmer is not playing well, but he has the ability to play better. Who would any of you want instead? You can bash Palmer all you want, but honestly, who would you rather have at QB right now given the circumstances?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
# ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
Even if misty was right.. but he’s not.. do you honestly believe hue could play jc and have cp holding a clip board making 12 million a year.. and forking over a 1st and a 2 nd round for a backup.. wake up Misty!! You can’t be that dumb!!
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of course not. however if they thoguht palmer wasnt the guy they could trade him, so he still needs to play well. His salary and the draft picks dont guarantee a roster spot.
It has happened before in the nfl.
i would like to see palmer at least earn a starting spot as opposed to just being handed the keys while stinking up the joint. why should he be entitled to anything
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
Since 2007, Palmer’s passer rating is 78.
Campbell’s rating since 2007 is 83.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
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From the moment Hue pulled the trigger these words became meaningless.
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agreed, but some folks want to see me repeat it, asked me directly so i answered
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You play to win now n I’m sorry to say this but we still won more games with Palmer n we might still make the playoffs … But you guys want to give up on playoffs n our QB that’s fine .just don’t follow this team when they make the playoffs Or Palmer starts lightin up next yea with full camp
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Palmers our starter… So I’m giving him fair time to get comfortable with the offense… 6 games isn’t a career ..he’s gonna be fine
December 14th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
What about jamarcus Russell. . I guess under your thinking he should still be here. And another thing.. it was a black man who pulled the trigger to get Palmer. . You have no leg to stand on.. your full of it man..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years
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Sorry dude but that isn’t the truth either. IF that was true, then this rash of injuries wouldn’t be so damaging, because we would have QUALITY depth to come in and pick up the slack. We don’t which is why we have struggled so much as a TEAM with these injuries. We all knew going in to this season that a couple of injuries would derail this thing. Hue made moves to try and stave off a collapse, but make no mistake, when Campbell went down our season was over. The Palmer trade gave us a new lease on life for the season. The one position we truly have quality depth at is running back, but with all the injuries to the WRs, opponents are free to stack the box and focus all their efforts on shutting down Bush. If McFadden were playing right now, with Ford and Moore out, DHB nicked and the dropsies coming back, Schillens less than 100% and Murphy playing scared he would be struggling as well, although his skill set allows for a bit more flexibilty than Bush. This team is paper thin at EVERY position man. That does not speak well to ‘bolstering’ through the draft.
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im at a loss, are you saying that we havnt drafted good players over the last two years? If so then we disagree, i think we have drafted some good players, and going away from the huge trades and big named free agents has helped.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
Palmer will figure out a way to win cause he aint taking this ass beatin lying down. Him and HueJax will figure it out and Dick Seymor better start humpin some ass on defense to get those clowns playin better. It is up to Dick to clean up the D and make them play better. It is up to Palmer to bring out the best of these offensive bums. HueJax will call better plays when we can manage the clock, and all will be good in Raider land.
Chuck B can continue his lame duck duties, as long as Seymor can change the plays.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
Right now, Carson Palmer look like Jay Shroeder with all of the interceptions. Hopefully, he get that corrected. If Carson does not turn the ball over, the Raiders will be in every game left and have a chance to win them.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
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From the moment Hue pulled the trigger these words became meaningless.
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agreed, but some folks want to see me repeat it, asked me directly so i answered
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You play to win now n I’m sorry to say this but we still won more games with Palmer
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we have won more with palmer?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
# ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Dude.. Misty is a racist.. you have an agenda..never mind.. you have said it all.. ill never debate the qb position with you again…you sound stupid bro…
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i wasnt debating the qb position, i was pointing out that palmer needs to turn it around and play better, he is sucking pretty bad at the moment, that cant be debated
December 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Mistic. . You know what… if you came out and said ” Palmer stinks”… we need to upgrade the qb position. . I could live with that.. the problem I see with you is that you think jc is the answer. ..it may as well be Tim tebow at qb for us.. because he stinks as well.. I would rather have Palmer over jc the same way I prefer jc over tebow.. but you dont get it!!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:48 pm
What about jamarcus Russell. . I guess under your thinking he should still be here. And another thing.. it was a black man who pulled the trigger to get Palmer. . You have no leg to stand on.. your full of it man..
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Nobody has brought up race on this topic except YOU.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Code black
December 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Jason Campbell…27 wins…… 37 Losses…
December 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Worship a white Qb?… Where did that come from?… I’m not in here all the time , but I’ve never seen anyone in here worship Palmer…even guys that support him have been critical .. I’m not sure what you want..
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sorry bra, but for some reason when i talk qbs’ this idiot talks race, along with others. if i list a qb watch list the first thing they do is look to see how many are black or white. this is why i used such a strong word.
somethings never change i guess
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:50 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:43 pm
# silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
i would have been fine with boller, based on the fact that i didnt think palmer could get us into the playoffs. Why give up so much to win now? even if we make the playoffs this team isnt ready for the super bowl. That kind of move is fine if your one player away, we are not. we could have missed the playoffs with boller, continued developing our young players, and bolstered the roster through the draft. exactly what davis was doing the last couple of years.
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From the moment Hue pulled the trigger these words became meaningless.
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agreed, but some folks want to see me repeat it, asked me directly so i answered
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You play to win now n I’m sorry to say this but we still won more games with Palmer
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we have won more with palmer?
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More games than boller would have won
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Jason Campbell…27 wins…… 37 Losses…
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They didn’t give up a 1st & 2nd rounder for him, did they?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
im at a loss.
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Of course you are. I am one of the posters in here that disputes the trash you post and it drives you insane. You automatically dismiss everything I say, no matter what facts or stats I use to support them.
Those good players we have drafted, on the REALLY good teams in the NFL would be considered quality depth. Thats the point I am making. With all of our starters and best players healthy, we can contend with most anyone, but we are a paper tiger, and we cant survive key injuries like the REAL contenders in the NFL. That is fact that is unfolding before our eyes. That is why Hue HAD to make the Palmer deal. Rolling with Boller would have left us with another 4-12 season. This fan base and organization could not afford another of those.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
The raiders have been losing as a team the last two weeks.. even if we had Rodgers or Brady as our qb the last two weeks.. we would have still lost…this game vs the lions is crucial. ..we need to win as a team.. the qb can’t do it all.. jc couldn’t do it by himself and neither could Palmer.. it would help if he had Dmac though..
December 14th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
I’m gonna break some rules here gentlemen and root for the afc team on monday night because the niners are at the bottom of the dog log teams.
niners suck.period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
pittsburgh will expose there suckness.
cant stand the niners, or the steelers, but wtf? who to root for? wtf
December 14th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
i wasnt debating the qb position, i was pointing out that palmer needs to turn it around and play better, he is sucking pretty bad at the moment, that cant be debated.
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The first pick at GB was as bad as any Boller would throw and worse than any I remember Campbell throwing as a Raider.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2011/12/13/bill-romanowski-goes-off-on-bacon-laden-raiders-rant/
December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
# ghostraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
Mistic. . You know what… if you came out and said ” Palmer stinks”… we need to upgrade the qb position. . I could live with that.. the problem I see with you is that you think jc is the answer. ..it may as well be Tim tebow at qb for us.. because he stinks as well.. I would rather have Palmer over jc the same way I prefer jc over tebow.. but you dont get it!!
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palmer has talent it cant be denied, his issue and what i question is his heart and decision making. he has million dollar arm and a fifty cent brain at times.
I need to see from grit, win when everything around you isnt perfect. dont have the deer in headlights look sitting on the bench after your 3 horrendous pick. Dont quit when you cant win and say you are retiring, because you cant face the challenge that comes along with your mega millions contract.
so far he looks like a cinci bungle masquerading as a raider
December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Hey Gilligan,seen Tina lately?I would think McClain would change called plays,maybe big Rich would advise
December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Worship a white Qb?… Where did that come from?… I’m not in here all the time , but I’ve never seen anyone in here worship Palmer…even guys that support him have been critical .. I’m not sure what you want..
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sorry bra, but for some reason when i talk qbs’ this idiot talks race, along with others. if i list a qb watch list the first thing they do is look to see how many are black or white. this is why i used such a strong word.
somethings never change i guess
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When you think JC gives us better chance to win than Palmer the answer alone is so ridiculous that people have to check into your status
December 14th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
I wanna see some signs referencing bacon/hunting and possibly even Romo on TV this Sunday. Who’s down with that?
December 14th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
As far as Chicago deep dish goes, NOTHING beats Pequod’s.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Records are records…. Campbell’s records no better than Palmers…. What they gave up for them is a diffrent matter… The bottomline is wins and losses ….
December 14th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
Fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:53 pm
Jason Campbell…27 wins…… 37 Losses…
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They didn’t give up a 1st & 2nd rounder for him, did they?
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Only a genius would evaluate a trade based on 6 starts.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Kk.. your a fool.. if you think Campbell is better than Palmer.. that’s fine.. but there is no way hue Jackson will pay Palmer 12 million a season to hold a clip board. .wake up!!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON-BACON!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
im at a loss.
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Of course you are. I am one of the posters in here that disputes the trash you post and it drives you insane. You automatically dismiss everything I say, no matter what facts or stats I use to support them.
Those good players we have drafted, on the REALLY good teams in the NFL would be considered quality depth. Thats the point I am making. With all of our starters and best players healthy, we can contend with most anyone, but we are a paper tiger, and we cant survive key injuries like the REAL contenders in the NFL. That is fact that is unfolding before our eyes. That is why Hue HAD to make the Palmer deal. Rolling with Boller would have left us with another 4-12 season. This fan base and organization could not afford another of those.
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none of this changes the fact that davis was building through the draft, and avoiding expensive trades and free agents. it has been noted by all that paid attention. Is every guy as good as we would hope, no but that never happens for any team. i liked the shift to focusing on drafting and development. i would have been fine with a few more losses, knowing we could continue to stock players, and would return a healthy team in 2012
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
nwr8r Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:46 pm
I agree Palmer is not playing well, but he has the ability to play better. Who would any of you want instead? You can bash Palmer all you want, but honestly, who would you rather have at QB right now given the circumstances?
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Any answers?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
hendu Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Hey Gilligan,seen Tina lately?I would think McClain would change called plays,maybe big Rich would advise
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I would think romac has a lot on his mind, and dick is the seasoned vet, more brains. but romac should be the guy. Tinas’ got emotional issues.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:57 pm
i wasnt debating the qb position, i was pointing out that palmer needs to turn it around and play better, he is sucking pretty bad at the moment, that cant be debated.
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The first pick at GB was as bad as any Boller would throw and worse than any I remember Campbell throwing as a Raider.
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That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
December 14th, 2011 at 7:02 pm
Cut Palmer and Campbell? See who the entire NFL tries to sign first… ?? Lol..this is a stupid argument!! Not even close.. its like comparing Dwight Howard to Andrew bynum..lol
December 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Only a genius would evaluate a trade based on 6 starts.
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Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
Since 2007, Palmer’s passer rating is 78.
Campbell’s rating since 2007 is 83.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
i would have been fine with a few more losses, knowing we could continue to stock players, and would return a healthy team in 2012
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You would be fine with being 4-9 today?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Yeah but there only one defender there not four.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:05 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:54 pm
# fingers Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
Worship a white Qb?… Where did that come from?… I’m not in here all the time , but I’ve never seen anyone in here worship Palmer…even guys that support him have been critical .. I’m not sure what you want..
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sorry bra, but for some reason when i talk qbs’ this idiot talks race, along with others. if i list a qb watch list the first thing they do is look to see how many are black or white. this is why i used such a strong word.
somethings never change i guess
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When you think JC gives us better chance to win than Palmer the answer alone is so ridiculous that people have to check into your status
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well dont look now but palmer has an astounding 14 turnovers in 6 1/2 games. Jc didnt have half that many. In fact palmers grotesque 13 picks is mind boggling when you consider jc only threw 8 for the entire season in 2010.
So yes i think the qb that turns the ball over the fewest times will win more often than not.
That is not a race issue, just basic football
December 14th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 6:56 pm
im at a loss.
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Of course you are. I am one of the posters in here that disputes the trash you post and it drives you insane. You automatically dismiss everything I say, no matter what facts or stats I use to support them.
Those good players we have drafted, on the REALLY good teams in the NFL would be considered quality depth. Thats the point I am making. With all of our starters and best players healthy, we can contend with most anyone, but we are a paper tiger, and we cant survive key injuries like the REAL contenders in the NFL. That is fact that is unfolding before our eyes. That is why Hue HAD to make the Palmer deal. Rolling with Boller would have left us with another 4-12 season. This fan base and organization could not afford another of those.
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none of this changes the fact that davis was building through the draft, and avoiding expensive trades and free agents. it has been noted by all that paid attention. Is every guy as good as we would hope, no but that never happens for any team. i liked the shift to focusing on drafting and development. i would have been fine with a few more losses, knowing we could continue to stock players, and would return a healthy team in 2012
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Even before he traded 1st to cinch that was the only good pick left value wise ..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
was
December 14th, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Mistic. . . Campbells biggest mistake was getting injured… that’s no ones fault.. but its the truth.. if Campbell doesn’t break his collarbone.. he’s still qb this team. But I admit.. Palmer is not playing well.. but really? Who is right now!!??
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
i would have been fine with a few more losses, knowing we could continue to stock players, and would return a healthy team in 2012
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You would be fine with being 4-9 today?
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that is a projected win total and may not have been the case. Im sure you are aware that boller has over 20 wins in his career.
but again, im fine with a few losses, knowing that we are building for next year, and would return a solid group that already proved they could beat playoff teams.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
How were they going to build through draft ? With only 3 picks lol … We didn’t even have 1st last year either N I’m pretty sure you cried over that too
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
Once we got Palmer and since its out of my control anyway … I’m only concerned what Palmers does with the Raiders… And 6 games isn’t what I call a fair amout of time to judge the trade…. I hope he wins…Palmers 3 & 3 with us… Sunday evening I hope its 4 & 3…and the Raiders are 8 & 6… That’s all I care about… No control what so ever on Palmers record before he got here..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:08 pm
I also know that when the raiders were in a three game wining streak.. misty eyes dissapeared!!! I wonder Why that was??? ..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:10 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Yeah but there only one defender there not four.
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But there was a receiver also n maybe he undergirds , but what you saying about JC. He threw 10 yards wide from 10 yards out??
December 14th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Nope. That wasn’t on Campbell bro. I will defend Palmer if an Int is not his fault and I will defend Campbell for the same thing. Campbell was throwing the ball to DHB in the end zone (with Chung on the ground and out of his line of sight) as JC released the ball DHB turned back the other way, and Chung got to his feet and made the pick. In real time it looks like a boneheaded move, but if you break it down in slowmo, watching both what JC was doing and what happened in the end zone at the same time you will see that pick was purely bad luck
December 14th, 2011 at 7:11 pm
Maybe this new found sense of ” urgency ” will help…..
I sware , I had a sense of urgency a few weeksago …
They just noticed the Donkeys passed them?…
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
Since 2007, Palmer’s passer rating is 78.
Campbell’s rating since 2007 is 83.
I bet a real GM wouldn’t have given up a 1st & 2nd rounder for that production.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Yeah but there only one defender there not four.
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But there was a receiver There also n he just underthrews but what you saying about JC. He threw 10 yards wide from 10 yards out??Lol
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
but again, im fine with a few losses, knowing that we are building for next year, and would return a solid group that already proved they could beat playoff teams.
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Wait. So you are ok with the Raiders being 4-9 today without Palmer, but you are NOT ok with them being 7-6 with him?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
How were they going to build through draft ? With only 3 picks lol … We didn’t even have 1st last year either N I’m pretty sure you cried over that too
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we got some decent players last year and didnt pick until round 3.
it can be done especially for what we need d line oline and lbs
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
What’s with all of these effin’ foot injuries the last couple of years? Is it those fancy new cleats they all wear?
Or could the problem possibly be physiological in nature? With the superior training methods of today are players running too fast and putting too much stress on their feet? Of course, this can’t explain Schaub.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
I think the entire team will play well vs lions… we should forget about Dmac playing the remainder of this season.. our best player is out.. we need to move on and forget about that cat helping us out..this season.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
but again, im fine with a few losses, knowing that we are building for next year, and would return a solid group that already proved they could beat playoff teams.
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Wait. So you are ok with the Raiders being 4-9 today without Palmer, but you are NOT ok with them being 7-6 with him?
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im not comfortable over paying for palmer, i would rather have the caps space and picks. Especially if we end up missing the playoffs this year
December 14th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I actually do worship Palmer I have a shrine set up and everything, burning candles a sacrificial lamb, a lock of a Raiderettes’s hair and a beaker of Mytics tears.
Lets see if it works come Sunday!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Yeah but there only one defender there not four.
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But there was a receiver There also n he just underthrews but what you saying about JC. He threw 10 yards wide from 10 yards out??Lol
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Sorry bro but that isn’t the fact of what happened on that play. Just isn’t.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
Since 2007, Palmer’s passer rating is 78.
Campbell’s rating since 2007 is 83.
I bet a real GM wouldn’t have given up a 1st & 2nd rounder for that production.
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He’s still elite n can beat good D’s once n a while unlike Campbell who’s always scared against good D’s
December 14th, 2011 at 7:15 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Yeah but there only one defender there not four.
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But there was a receiver There also n he just underthrews but what you saying about JC. He threw 10 yards wide from 10 yards out??Lol
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laughable, throwing into quintuple coverage is the worst pick i ever seen in my life. 5 defenders?!?!/
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
442.agree..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
we got some decent players last year and didnt pick until round 3.
it can be done especially for what we need d line oline and lbs
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HUH? We didn’t pick McClain in the first and Houston in the second round last year?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
As for who is better it don’t really matter.
Palmer is the QB. Soup is a goner.
Now Palmer needs to step it up..
not next year after his full preseason blah blah blah.. Right F’in Now.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
ilverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
I actually do worship Palmer I have a shrine set up and everything, burning candles a sacrificial lamb, a lock of a Raiderettes’s hair and a beaker of Mytics tears.
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
i knew it
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
# HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
As for who is better it don’t really matter.
Palmer is the QB. Soup is a goner.
Now Palmer needs to step it up..
not next year after his full preseason blah blah blah.. Right F’in Now.
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thats my take too
December 14th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
Oh yea.. if Palmer wouldn’t have thrown those meaningless ints. . We would have won.. our d had those guys on the ropes.lol
December 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
I am still excited about the Palmer trade, I know it has been rough these last 2 weeks but I believe next year he will be right up there stat wise with Brees, Rodgers and Brady.
After an off season with a healthy group of WR’s and he gets a camp under his belt we are going to score a ton of points next year!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:16 pm
we got some decent players last year and didnt pick until round 3.
it can be done especially for what we need d line oline and lbs
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HUH? We didn’t pick McClain in the first and Houston in the second round last year?
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what do you mean romac and houston are in their second year, dvd was our first pick in the last draft right?
am i trippin
December 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
Our D couldn’t Tackle a blind Nun…
December 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
im not comfortable over paying for palmer, i would rather have the caps space and picks. Especially if we end up missing the playoffs this year
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Palmer restructured to fit the cap this year, and I can’t see any reason he won’t next year, especially when he said on more than one occasion during his pissing for distance contest with Mike Brown that he doesn’t care about the money. Don’t use next years cap numbers to skirt a question about this year.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
How were they going to build through draft ? With only 3 picks lol … We didn’t even have 1st last year either N I’m pretty sure you cried over that too
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we got some decent players last year and didnt pick until round 3.
it can be done especially for what we need d line oline and lbs
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Again that was a 2nd round pick n not 3rd … Draft n FA is always crapshoot , you can’t b scared to take risks with trades midway through season if you are contending for playoffs
December 14th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
im not comfortable over paying for palmer, i would rather have the caps space and picks. Especially if we end up missing the playoffs this year
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Palmer restructured to fit the cap this year, and I can’t see any reason he won’t next year, especially when he said on more than one occasion during his pissing for distance contest with Mike Brown that he doesn’t care about the money. Don’t use next years cap numbers to skirt a question about this year.
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no skirting, i dont like the salary as it stands, i dont like losing the picks
December 14th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
what do you mean romac and houston are in their second year, dvd was our first pick in the last draft right?
am i trippin
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Yes. You said LAST year… indicating 2010.
Wiz2 in the second round was our first pick in THIS years draft.
Obviously a misunderstanding between us in symantics of what last year meant, but you are still incorrect about us not having a pick in the 2nd
December 14th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
That pick he threw in the end against Pats straight to their DB with no pressure n no Wide Receiver within the vicinity was as a bad a pick I ever witnessed in my life
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Seem to me like someone ran the wrong route on that one.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
# mcfadden20. Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:07 pm
How were they going to build through draft ? With only 3 picks lol … We didn’t even have 1st last year either N I’m pretty sure you cried over that too
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we got some decent players last year and didnt pick until round 3.
it can be done especially for what we need d line oline and lbs
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Again that was a 2nd round pick n not 3rd … Draft n FA is always crapshoot , you can’t b scared to take risks with trades midway through season if you are contending for playoffs
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i think there are times when trades are good fits, this seemed like a reach. if we fail to make the playoffs i will consider it a flop. palmer has a lot to prove
December 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Hue made Campbell a better QB, he will make Palmer a better QB give it time man…you guys are living in a micromanaged media environment where you want everything NOW NOW NOW!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
After an off season with a healthy group of WR’s and he gets a camp under his belt we are going to score a ton of points next year!
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I’ve heard that for the last 10 years.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:20 pm
what do you mean romac and houston are in their second year, dvd was our first pick in the last draft right?
am i trippin
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Yes. You said LAST year… indicating 2010.
Wiz2 in the second round was our first pick in THIS years draft.
Obviously a misunderstanding between us in symantics of what last year meant, but you are still incorrect about us not having a pick in the 2nd
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true how could i forget wiz, yet there are quality players to be had in the 3rd round. so even if we had our picks and didnt pick until the third i would have been happy with it, there is already a veteran team in place that has beaten playoff teams
December 14th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Hue made Campbell a better QB, he will make Palmer a better QB give it time man…you guys are living in a micromanaged media environment where you want everything NOW NOW NOW!
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hue said he made the trade for NOW, so i want what hue wants…uh oh are we in….LOCK STEP?!?!?!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
PEACE FELLAS GYM TIME
December 14th, 2011 at 7:26 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:22 pm
Hue made Campbell a better QB, he will make Palmer a better QB give it time man…you guys are living in a micromanaged media environment where you want everything NOW NOW NOW!
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Of course I want it now.
When we signed him everyone was saying f the draft picks we need to win now
Now if we don’t its ok til next year? Don’t think you can have it both ways.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Palmer only cost us one pick next year though. It is a crap shoot as to whether or not that one player would help this team more than Palmer can. That pick could be the next Aaron Rodgers, but it is MORE likely it would be the next McClain, or DHB or Russell.
It sucks that we don’t have a draft next year, but you cant blame the Palmer trade for that. I don’t see you complaining about not having a second round pick that we traded to NE for TJones and Barksdale, who are doing nothing to improve this team. You aren’t saying a word about not having the 3rd rounder that we used for Pryor who has exactly ONE play to his credit.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
I’ve heard that for the last 10 years.
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So why do you put yourself through it?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Palmer only cost us one pick next year though
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And a 2nd rounder the year after.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Last year Richard Seymour was our 1st round pick and we took Wiz with our 2nd rounder after the 49ers traded up to get Kapernik in front of us.
In the third round we took DVD, then we took Barksdale, then Chimdi Chekwa then Taiwan Jones then Denarius Moore then Richard Gordon then Ausberry
December 14th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
When we signed him everyone was saying f the draft picks we need to win now
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Did Hue know when he made that trade that Palmer would be SEVERELY hampered NOW by not having DMAC, Ford, and Moore?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Im not a pryor fan but wasnt it almost a no risk deal?
i dont view jones or barksdale as players we over paid for, only palmer
December 14th, 2011 at 7:30 pm
Silverback Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
I’ve heard that for the last 10 years.
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So why do you put yourself through it?
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Longtime fan.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:31 pm
We can sit here n criticize the move all day long but matter of the fact we still had to find the best option available to give us a chance to win this year … I mean you ain’t going to tell your team hey guys so you guys all know our QB SUCKS n we dont want to mortgage our future by giving up2 future draft picks so we will just have tO play with Boller … How does that sound n what does that tells the team about our Coach … I’m glad we got Hue who’s willing to take risks to make our team better… 10/10 that’s the kinda coach you want for your team . Who’s coaching his a$s off to win now .. Cuz future is now…. Same guys who are crIticizing Hue for trading two good picks for Palmer.,, would have been the same guy calling for his head if we were sitting at 5-8 right now… Like why did he give up on the season? Why didn’t he sign sumone better than boller ? This $hit never going to end
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
Its kind of cruel to be teased with playoff hopes at this point after the 9 year drought.
Yeah I want it now too but even if we do win out we still need help.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
The Raiders should have had a prepared backup for Campbell.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:29 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:28 pm
Palmer only cost us one pick next year though
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And a 2nd rounder the year after.
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I realize this genius, Mistic and I were talking about building NEXT YEARS team through NEXT YEARS draft. The 2013 2nd round pick will do nothing to improve the 2012 Raiders, so it wasn’t factored into the discussion
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
It sucks that we don’t have a draft next year, but you cant blame the Palmer trade for that. I don’t see you complaining about not having a second round pick that we traded to NE for TJones and Barksdale, who are doing nothing to improve this team. You aren’t saying a word about not having the 3rd rounder that we used for Pryor who has exactly ONE play to his credit.
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Hue knew what the draft situation was when he pulled the trigger.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
bcz,
i defer to you when it comes to salary and cap structure and all that, but i do think we gave up too much for a qb that has faded badly since 06 and has 34 turnovers in his last 23 starts with 8 for pick 6, a mechanical knee, and pulled a tin man move with cicny when he quit.
he has a lot to prove, and trading for him was a huge risk in my view.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
The Raiders should have had a prepared backup for Campbell.
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Yup… but Al Davis did not prepare for that, so Hue Jackson did the only thing he could do to ensure that this was not a 4-12 football team. He made the trade and kept our season alive.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
These comments about practice from Hue Jackson illustrate more than he will ever know, what people have been saying on this blog–that something is wrong with the motivation, the heart of this team.
Why? Here’s a group of guys who had the chance all to season to keep their heads up because they had indeed played through some bad stuff and come out of that situation with a one-game lead. They had something to be proud of, something that should have built some esprit de corps in spite of all the injuries to key players….but did that happen?????? NO. By saying what he has about today’s practice in contrast to the others, Jackson is admitting that his players have NOT been giving practice, not been giving getting better, not been giving their all all along.
Sheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeez.
That tells me that the “collective character” of this team is the pits.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
If you can’t reasonably expect to judge Palmer after only 6 games, why give up a 1st & 2nd rounder for him, mid-year?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
Did Hue know when he made that trade that Palmer would be SEVERELY hampered NOW by not having DMAC, Ford, and Moore?
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This is the NFL people get hurt. This is not DMac’s first trip to the foot doctor.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:36 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:35 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
The Raiders should have had a prepared backup for Campbell.
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Yup… but Al Davis did not prepare for that, so Hue Jackson did the only thing he could do to ensure that this was not a 4-12 football team. He made the trade and kept our season alive.
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perhaps but its in critical condition and on life support, and if palmer keeps coughing up the ball it will die
December 14th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
tim tebow owns me!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:32 pm
The Raiders should have had a prepared backup for Campbell.
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That is as true today as was when you said it the day of the trade.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Jeeeez, you guys are still talking about J.Campbell? He’s not even going to be a Raider next year.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
bcz,
i defer to you when it comes to salary and cap structure and all that, but i do think we gave up too much for a qb that has faded badly since 06 and has 34 turnovers in his last 23 starts with 8 for pick 6, a mechanical knee, and pulled a tin man move with cicny when he quit.
he has a lot to prove, and trading for him was a huge risk in my view.
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High risk = High Reward. We debate in hear endlessly because we both BLEED Silver and Black. I think it is fair to say, without ever having met you, that there aren’t too many things more important to you than the Raiders, much like myself. I KNOW beyond the shadow of a doubt that if Palmer gets it done here you will defend him as vehemently as you do Campbell, and you should know that if Palmer DOESN’T get it done, I will rip him as badly as you do now. I just wont evaluate the cost of the trade until the deal plays out.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
This is the NFL people get hurt. This is not DMac’s first trip to the foot doctor.
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So Hue is supposed to be a psychic too? Past injuries foretell future events? Like I said earlier, if it was just one of these guys out here and there it would be a different story, but when you compound ALL of these injuries and take away all of the firepower from the offense, with an already struggling defense, you end up with what you saw the last 2 weeks. At least Palmer helped us to those 3 victories prior to that and kept our season alive.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:45 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:39 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
bcz,
i defer to you when it comes to salary and cap structure and all that, but i do think we gave up too much for a qb that has faded badly since 06 and has 34 turnovers in his last 23 starts with 8 for pick 6, a mechanical knee, and pulled a tin man move with cicny when he quit.
he has a lot to prove, and trading for him was a huge risk in my view.
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High risk = High Reward. We debate in hear endlessly because we both BLEED Silver and Black. I think it is fair to say, without ever having met you, that there aren’t too many things more important to you than the Raiders, much like myself. I KNOW beyond the shadow of a doubt that if Palmer gets it done here you will defend him as vehemently as you do Campbell, and you should know that if Palmer DOESN’T get it done, I will rip him as badly as you do now. I just wont evaluate the cost of the trade until the deal plays out.
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agreed, and 100% true
December 14th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Hue should realize people get hurt and prepare accordingly. From backup qb on down…..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:49 pm
HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Hue should realize people get hurt and prepare accordingly. From backup qb on down…..
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Hue didn’t build this roster. He had as much control over it as every coach that has walked through the doors has had. None. His opinion only mattered to the man in charge IF it aligned with Als own opinion.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:55 pm
Like I said earlier, if it was just one of these guys out here and there it would be a different story, but when you compound ALL of these injuries and take away all of the firepower from the offense, with an already struggling defense, you end up with what you saw the last 2 weeks. At least Palmer helped us to those 3 victories prior to that and kept our season alive.
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It really is that simple isn’t it.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
perhaps but its in critical condition and on life support, and if palmer keeps coughing up the ball it will die
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I hope that is not the outcome you wish for just to prove a point.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:58 pm
JC is never going to give us chance against good D’s… But for Palmer man we don’t know becuZ our WR are #3s and #4s at best our Running back is broken down n with our legendary D that never ever gives us chance to win low scoring games … Palmer have to try to b the superhero.. N I don’t know how many QBs are out there that can put up 20+ against good Ds with #3 n #4 WRs starting , no running game n no good TE …
December 14th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
would anyone besides myself like to see the superbowl played in a best 2 out of 3 format,one home ,one away ,and a nuetral if nec.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
Hue should realize people get hurt and prepare accordingly. From backup qb on down…..
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Easy to say that but there are not good QBs walking around accepting backup QB positions so backups r backs up for a reason
December 14th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
Carson Palmer = Jay Schroeder. Strong arm poor vision.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
CODE BLACK. ALL DAY. ALL NIGHT. 24/7 CODE BLACK
December 14th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
We are stuck with Palmer. We are stuck with Hue. We are stuck with DHB. Weren’t things supposed to get better when Al past? Seems we are in the same boat as before, which is until we get a GM we have no one in control.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
i will say this ,im ok with the palmer deal (so far)when jc went down the dude in charge went out and did what he thought was the right move ,and didnt bust a grape paying either .not many teams would do that,they ride the backup to loss after loss.it showed me mark davis wants to win as much as his ole man .every knows al davis could cut a check.now if mark davis could a check like al and throw to a gm i like the way the future looks.and by the way jc had this team kicking azz too its a damn shame he got hurt we were headed places no doubt
December 14th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
#484 by Kell:
Exactly what I’ve thought all along. If you give up that much for him midseason, the whole thing is open to criticism in a short time.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Anyone here follow Pryor in College?Seems nobody will give the guy credit,cant be a QB,ETC Someone on the Nations Raider blog has info.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
502.nothing like instant gratification
December 14th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
498,I would like that,however the NFL would lose the Big Event,one game,etc Dont think the players would go for it either
December 14th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
They don’t want to play a Super Bowl game in Green Bay or New England in the dead of winter. Can you imagine the travel chaos of a noreaster?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
The urgency and intensity on the Palmer debate goes on.
It is really not fair to expect Palmer to be an elite Qb, I understand that. He has never been in the same picture as the top elite quarterbacks of his generation. Palmer has been hyped ever since he came out of Santa Margarita in SoCal. He had the good years at SC when Norm Chow took over as offensive coordinator. Palmer had good early success in the NFL but not at the same level of any of the top QBs in the league. So, to expect him to be the one to put a team on his back and carry it to the top is really unfair.
However, he gets paid like one, and Huesux gave up a lot, every body agrees on the high cost, and defends the trade because Palmer is better than Campbell. Oranges and apples here, Campbell has always been considered a journeyman, unlike Palmer, never even been considered at top tier. And in the numbers game, Palmer has only slightly better numbers than Campbell. Judging from this year alone, in almost the same games, Palmer has been sacked more and has thrown more interceptions, the major flaws that come with the Palmer package, great throws one series disappointments the next. Palmer is also highly responsible for the bungles debacle, it wasn’t all about Ocho or TO, maybe a reason he bailed out of there.
Campbell was having his better year and was coming along making plays, he just had a run of bad luck. However, trying to salvage a season from a Boller disaster by trading for Palmer has now turned into the Palmer debacle.
Palmer is now expected to take the team on his back and win out, because the offense can’t no longer go through the running game. The defenses are stacking up against Bush, it’s about Palmer to show the critics wrong or to prove us right. Will see.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
508,agree,I would simply love a SUPER BOWL played in an outdoor site,think of the tuck game,not to many better than that,except the outcome.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Rolando McClain sure does have a pencil neck for a middle linebacker. In recent years, I haven’t seen a MLB with a pencil neck. He need to get on that neck machine during the off season and maybe he can stick his head in there and tackle better.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
I suppose a debacle is better than a disaster.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Zopi, mostly agree. But not on the Campbell being a journeyman part. Oakland is his second stop, and only because he was traded here.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
508.
if you play it they will come
December 14th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Pencil neck. Brings back memories of good ol’ Harvey Williams.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
“To play quarterback in this league you must have alligator skin.”
Jason Cambell
December 14th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Campbell
December 14th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
Palmers QB ratings-2007-86.7;2008-69(he only played 4 games);2009-83.6;2010-82.4.Saying his rating since 2007 is 78 is skewed due to the 4 games he played injured in 2008.In reality since 2007 his QB rating is 84.2.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
“Rolando McClain sure does have a pencil neck for a middle linebacker. In recent years, I haven’t seen a MLB with a pencil neck. He need to get on that neck machine during the off season and maybe he can stick his head in there and tackle better.”
You know, that’s a great point. I never thought about that. I knew he was built like Phil Villapiano in the hips (kind of strange for a guy), but you’re right, the neck. He doesn’t have the weightroom-muscled neck of guy who actually expects he will need a strong neck to stick it to running backs. Hmmm. Odd.
Then again, RoMac is odd, indeed.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:21 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
“It was awesome,” Jackson said of practice Wednesday. “I mean, it really was. It probably was different than it’s been in the last four or five weeks because, again, these guys understand. I know this football team and I know where their head is, and they understand what we need to do, and we’ll come play, and we’ll play the way we’re supposed to play.”
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WTF were they doing the last couple of weeks at practice, Hue? Lolligaging?
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Lol exactly what i was thinking when I read this.
If the guys can just turn on when they “feel” this urgency, why weren’t they MADE to understand the urgency 2 weeks ago?
Without all the playmakers on the field I don’t have a great feeling about this teams playoff chances.
Oh well, GO RAIDERS!!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Easy to say that but there are not good QBs walking around accepting backup QB positions so backups r backs up for a reason
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Then you need to find out what your backup can do and design a whole scheme for him. And instead of holding parades and press conferences before your backups first start you spend ALL your time working with him.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Then you need to find out what your backup can do and design a whole scheme for him. And instead of holding parades and press conferences before your backups first start you spend ALL your time working with him.
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But it was the greatest trade in the history of the NFL.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
2011 Year to Date….Games-13, Solo Tackles-68, Assisted Tackles-15, Total Tackles-83, Sacks-0, Interceptions-3, Passes Defensed-7, Total Tackles Last Four Games-22….
2011 Year to Date….Games-12 Solo Tackles-54, Assisted Tackles-18, Total Tackles-72, Sacks-4.0, Yards Lost-29, Passes Defensed-12, Safety-1, Total Tackles Last Four Games-24….
Daily Quiz for the visual or attentionally dyslexic…I will leave those affected by auditory dyslexia out of this particular quiz…I will make an effort to include those challenged the next time….
Above you will find the relevant statistics for two NFL linebackers…Both were drafted in the first round of the NFL draft….Both were top ten pics in there respective drafts….For those who suffer from visual dyslexia, there is really very little difference statistically between the two cumulative totals….One linebacker has three interceptions and the other none….One linebacker has four sacks and the other has none….For those of you with attentional dyslexia, please reread the above segments of this post REPEATEDLY so it may sink in with your limited retention capacity….I won’t illicit any more clues as you may do your own research….Well, what the heck, one more clue can’t hurt, afterall there are quite a few who suffer from this affliction after reading some of these posts…One linebacker has played for quite awhile….
After you figure this quiz out….How about rooting for another team or STFU, as you are clueless and have zero credibility to go with zero statistical data to reinforce your dyslexic points of view…..Still waiting on an answer….AP77….
December 14th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
autopalm77 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
2011 Year to Date….Games-13, Solo Tackles-68, Assisted Tackles-15, Total Tackles-83, Sacks-0, Interceptions-3, Passes Defensed-7, Total Tackles Last Four Games-22….
2011 Year to Date….Games-12 Solo Tackles-54, Assisted Tackles-18, Total Tackles-72, Sacks-4.0, Yards Lost-29, Passes Defensed-12, Safety-1, Total Tackles Last Four Games-24….
Daily Quiz for the visual or attentionally dyslexic…I will leave those affected by auditory dyslexia out of this particular quiz…I will make an effort to include those challenged the next time….
Above you will find the relevant statistics for two NFL linebackers…Both were drafted in the first round of the NFL draft….Both were top ten pics in there respective drafts….For those who suffer from visual dyslexia, there is really very little difference statistically between the two cumulative totals….One linebacker has three interceptions and the other none….One linebacker has four sacks and the other has none….For those of you with attentional dyslexia, please reread the above segments of this post REPEATEDLY so it may sink in with your limited retention capacity….I won’t illicit any more clues as you may do your own research….Well, what the heck, one more clue can’t hurt, afterall there are quite a few who suffer from this affliction after reading some of these posts…One linebacker has played for quite awhile….
After you figure this quiz out….How about rooting for another team or STFU, as you are clueless and have zero credibility to go with zero statistical data to reinforce your dyslexic points of view…..Still waiting on an answer….AP77….
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Howie Long and Lyle Alzado!
BOOOOYAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Got to give some credit to Satele for playing through pain. Lead by example. He’s not the greatest NFL Center but at least he can take one on the chin.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
Sorry, Gingerbread Man….That is not the correct answer…..BOOOOYAHHH!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
525…Or in this case on the shoulder…..
December 14th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
RFL,much respect for Satele,wish more Played with his attitude,who he goes against on a weekly basis,etc Yes,plays hurt,hope we can reward him and others with a sell out,and a Victory vs the lions
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
Romlacher
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
Seau?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
CODE BLACK. CODE BLUE. CODE BLACK AND BLUE. CODE COLOR ME PURPLE. CODEY ON AMERICAN CHOPPER. SECRET CODE.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
Wait…this sh*t is still going on? Geez…shaking my head…who did you people want? Or what should we have done???
December 14th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Anyways…having D Moore back should help…any word on Taiwan or Jacoby?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Anyways…having D Moore back should help…any word on Taiwan or Jacoby?
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“Wide receiver Jacoby Ford (foot) and running back Taiwan Jones (hamstring) are working on an adjacent field with a team trainer. That portends their being a realistic shot at one or both returning in time for Sunday’s game against the Detroit Lions.”
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Sticking with early week assessment on INACTIVES for week 15….Campbell, DMAC, Campbell…..
December 14th, 2011 at 10:53 pm
The only way all these silly discussions about Palmer vs Campbell to go away us if Palmer gets a win and shuts the piehole of all if his detractors… funny how we didn’t hear squat from these same fools during our 3 game winning streak… players on the team would admit our last two losses were team losses and not attributed to one player. . This is stupid! !.. a bunch of sissy complainers.. atleast if we win.. I don’t have to worry about hearing from these same idiots…. atleast for a week!!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Our frickin D almost has all of its starters except for Shonasty has given up 80 points in the last 2 weeks and all we hear is one player on the offense.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
hendu Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Anyone here follow Pryor in College?Seems nobody will give the guy credit,cant be a QB,ETC Someone on the Nations Raider blog has info.
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Pryor’s college stats was better than JC’s college stats. FACT.
Pryor and Cam played the same opponent Arkansas in 2010 and Pryor matched Cam’s production.
Pryor and Cam both carried their teams. That imo is the most important factor of the QB. They have to have the confidence and swagger to lead their men.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
wasnt long an DE
December 14th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
HOW MANY GAMES HAS JERRY LEWIS MISSED THIS YEAR
December 14th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
Just read another article gushing about Tim Tebow. About hwo hes a leader of men who out works everyone with his amazing study and countless hours of prep work.
Article forgot to mention all that exrta hard work
only to suck complete dog **** for 58 minutes and win under the fakest most rigged BS games since the Seahawks super bowl.
Gag
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
your suggesting this is the WWNFL are you?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
537.aig-raiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Our frickin D almost has all of its starters except for Shonasty has given up 80 points in the last 2 weeks and all we hear is one player on the offense.
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D has been awful but more like exposed. With no speed players other Ds simply keyed on Reece and Bush and viola’. 3 and outs all game and the pass rush heavy D trying to play more zone now, gets killed
December 14th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Agreed GoodOle00
The bottomline is the D needs to carry the O when we are missing our weapons. Unfortunately they havent in those 6 losses. In all our losses this year, we gave up a min of 28 points and high of 46. That tells you exactly what is wrong with our team there. Although I will excuse them for the first loss against KC. Boller and Palmer gave up 14 points right there.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
525.Raiders for life Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
Got to give some credit to Satele for playing through pain. Lead by example. He’s not the greatest NFL Center but at least he can take one on the chin.
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Satele is the Mcfadden of the O line. Dude cannot and SHOULD NOT play injured. He sucks, can’t get second level and struggles with bigger NTs even when healthy.
Suh will KILL that guy on Sunday. Can see it now. Satele whippin’ his heaqd around looking for what happened withhis traditional back to the defense posture while our QB lays crumpled under the guy Satele was supposed to block.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
I am a bit disappointed in Hue for not being able to dink and donk our way down the field when we are missing our explosive weapons. It’s all about adjustments. SF is able to at least drive with Alex Smith.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
544. Yup, they just aren’t or haven;t been capable. Chuck B calling more zone should END. The personnel right now don’t play it well enough and get exposed just like NNamdi in Philly when hes asked to.
Skee-orch-ed
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 pm
Aig-Raiders,thanks for youre info,this young man needs to learn asap,if Jason leaves,its Boller or Pryor,as back up.Like the youth and upside with Pryor,unless Hue brings in a Vet.Even then,Pryor will learn.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Hendu,
Coolio. I like Pryor. He has the swagger and confidence needed at the QB position. Dude carried his team in college and can be an intriguing prospect for us down the line. Heard he is Palmer’s workout partner and should be ready to roll with more time.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
546. Yeah, wheres TJ? According to him, hes the only guy on the WR squad that can run those routes. After watching our WRs for the lASt 2 yrs, hes right, but even he isn’t doing it.
Sanjay Lal gets demoted or fired and we get e REAL WR coach in here next yr. One of Davis’ last, worst, most bizarre promotions.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
00,
My take is Hue will get his own DC next year. We need to run a 3-4. Wimbley and Romac are more suited for the 3-4 imo. I think Curry would excel in that position too. Now we need to find 1 more guy to make 4.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:46 pm
Did you see DHB put his head down and ran straight up field last Sunday and got no separation from T. Williams? It was more successful when he turned those routes into comeback routes. DHB is faster but he can’t sell the deep route like D Moore.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
once DHB goes deep and burns some people they’ll respect that speed
December 14th, 2011 at 11:58 pm
maybe if we ran some quick slants ,then we could learn to defend it a little
December 15th, 2011 at 12:00 am
those slants are killing us
December 15th, 2011 at 12:02 am
Aig-RAIDERS,549,yes,I remember reports of Pryor following Palmer around,groom him well,and I respect that of Palmer,not every one would do that,period.That said,WE got a nasty D to deal with,Aig,how about we LINE up MR across from Suh,youre thoughts are?
December 15th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Sorry Sullymr,a weak attempt at humor,what ever!RAIDERS!!!
December 15th, 2011 at 12:27 am
“Did you see DHB put his head down and ran straight up field last Sunday and got no separation from T. Williams?”
I think it was Cris Collingsworth who said about DHB, “I don’t care how much speed you have, you have to have a move, a quick move of some sort or else the guy can stay with you. Heyward-Bey doesn’t have a move. Unless he develops that, he’ll never get separation.”
I think some guys can juke with a quick snap of the head or a flinch of the shoulder, even on a fly pattern. Not DHB. We all want so much for him to succeed because he give effort, but….oh, well, just old news.
December 15th, 2011 at 12:48 am
Raiders 38 – Detroit 27
Mr. Bush must have his best performance of the season> 30 carries for 180 yards and two TDS;
Mr. Heyward-Bey & Mr. Moore each score;
defense scores one TD.
December 15th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Raiders must keep from getting down two scores early.
December 15th, 2011 at 1:06 am
just realized what will piss me off more than anything this season:
Raiders have defeated Houston, Denver, New York, Chicago- should all those teams make it to the playoffs and our Raiders do not…..arrrggggh!
December 15th, 2011 at 1:11 am
Your playoff scenarios are not quite right.
The Raiders only win a 2-way tiebreaker with the Broncos if the Broncos lose to KC AND the Raiders beat both KC and SD. If they end up having the same division record as the Broncos, the Broncos win based on common games record.
Oddly enough, the Raiders CAN win a 3-WAY tiebreaker if they only beat SD, Broncos lose all 3, and SD wins its other 2 games. In that case, the Raiders win based on the 3-way head to head record.
December 15th, 2011 at 1:30 am
558 yup Moore has it. Dhb doesn’t.
December 15th, 2011 at 1:57 am
Numbers 236 & 380- key numbers over next two games!
December 15th, 2011 at 1:59 am
yards for Mr. Bush & Mr. Heyward-Bey to reach a thousand for the season.
Michael must reach that in two games.
Darrius in three.
December 15th, 2011 at 2:02 am
LUV & AIG, I think DHB plays more like a TE, with straight away speed, he muscles defenders off of him.
December 15th, 2011 at 2:05 am
for wild card spot, Raiders need New York to lose one game and Tennessee to lose one game (preferably to Houston if New York loses two/ to bring “strength of victory” into play)
December 15th, 2011 at 2:26 am
strength of victory records:
Raiders: 45-46 (HOUSTON, NEW YORK, DENVER, CHICAGO, SD, Clev, Minn);
New York: 40-64 (DALLAS, SD, Buff, Buff, KC, Mia, Jax, WA)
Tennessee: 35-56 (BALTIMORE, DENVER, Buff, Clev, Car, Tam, Ind);
Cincinnati: 30-61 (TENNESSEE, Sea, Buff, Clev, Clev, Jax, Ind).
December 15th, 2011 at 2:27 am
current strength of victory records (OPPONENTS with current winning records are capitalized)
December 15th, 2011 at 2:28 am
all capitalized and spelled out
December 15th, 2011 at 2:41 am
Interesting note on Mr. D. Moore’s reception statistics; all of Denarius’ 24 receptions have resulted in either a first down (20) or a touchdown (4),
December 15th, 2011 at 3:27 am
Hopefully Indianapolis gets their first win of the season against Tennessee this Sunday.
December 15th, 2011 at 3:42 am
You guys gotta stop treating these Raiders like they are your son’s rec league team.
These guys are supposed to be professionals. That B.S they trotted out the last two weeks deserves every bit of scorn and criticism its getting.
Carson Palmer is not some developmental quarterback. If the excuse is going to be…”well, he’s only been here for 4 weeks” then YOU DON’T MAKE A TRADE FOR TWO 1ST ROUNDERS! He needs to step it up and play like a top tier QB and not some aging veteran.
Dammmm…..when you give up 1st and 2nd round picks…guys gotta come through….otherwise this is going to look a lot like the Hershal Walker trade.
Build through the draft or get vets that produce!
the Raider lineup on defense is littered with vets that don’t produce….we need Carson to raise the bar on offense.
December 15th, 2011 at 3:47 am
Also, the reason a lot of us are nervous is because that “three game winning streak” came against undermanned teams…
Caleb Haney and Christian Ponder? No Peterson? and this team barely squeaks by…..yes, a win is a win and they better win those….but in light of these azz whuppins…you start looking at what this team is really all about right now.
Moore is hurt and so is Ford….but yet DHB is still in the lineup. is he some scrub? NO, he’s the damn starting running back..the number 1 or 1.5.
Louis Murphy lead the team in receptions last year and Schilens just last year looked like the best receiver.
If Houston can win without Andre Johnson and Matt Schaub…
THen this team should be able to figure it out without the often, every year injured, DMAC and a 5th round pick from Tennessee.
I am not hating on this team….its just time for grown men to figure it out and stop talking about urgency and all that B.S
Get some pride, earn a checkk and win a couple of games.
They are in a playoff hunt for &(##! sake!
December 15th, 2011 at 3:58 am
Raiders offense has not scored more than 30 points since the victory over New York (Buffalo was the only other one).
December 15th, 2011 at 4:01 am
DET
Aaron Berry CB Shoulder Did Not Participate In Practice –
Louis Delmas S Knee Did Not Participate In Practice –
Justin Durant CB Hamstring Did Not Participate In Practice –
Lawrence Jackson DE Thigh Did Not Participate In Practice –
Kevin Smith RB Ankle Did Not Participate In Practice –
Kyle Vanden Bosch DE Not Injury Related Did Not Participate In Practice –
Eric Wright CB Hamstring Did Not Participate In Practice –
Rob Sims G Shoulder Full Participation in Practice –
Nick Fairley DT Foot Limited Participation in Practice –
Chris Houston CB Knee Limited Participation in Practice –
Amari Spievey S Knee Limited Participation in Practice –
Willie Young DE Ankle Limited Participation in Practice –
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Check out the Lions injury report.
They have 6 DB’s that either didn’t practice or were limited.
December 15th, 2011 at 4:24 am
Good posts ‘SnB offense defense specialteams’ #573 and #574
December 15th, 2011 at 4:25 am
Also Hi to Hwnrdr when he reads this :p
December 15th, 2011 at 5:10 am
Good Morning Raiders…..
Looks like Detroits pretty best up Too…
The ” injury Bowl ” this weekend….
December 15th, 2011 at 5:12 am
Defense::: please show up Sunday… Thank you
December 15th, 2011 at 6:14 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
Hopefully Indianapolis gets their first win of the season against Tennessee this Sunday.
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That’s not likely to happen. The best hope is for Tennessee to lose to Houston in week 17. I would even give Jax a better chance at beating the Titans in week 16.
December 15th, 2011 at 6:26 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
Raiders offense has not scored more than 30 points since the victory over New York (Buffalo was the only other one).
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What’s worse is that they haven’t beaten a single team by more than 10 points – whether healthy or not. Only Cleveland and Indy have lower highest margin of victories in the AFC. That’s pretty bad company.
The Raiders can’t blow anyone out, but they can sure as hell get blown out.
December 15th, 2011 at 6:29 am
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
Carson Palmer is not some developmental quarterback. If the excuse is going to be…”well, he’s only been here for 4 weeks” then YOU DON’T MAKE A TRADE FOR TWO 1ST ROUNDERS! He needs to step it up and play like a top tier QB and not some aging veteran.
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Yep. It’s not like sitting on the couch for 9 months means you forget that you shouldn’t throw toward a cluster of four different colored jerseys.
December 15th, 2011 at 6:49 am
FRONT LINES AT FOREFRONT SUNDAY
The 49ers, Ravens and Steelers might beg to differ, but as far as Palmer is concerned the two best defensive fronts will be on display Sunday, when the Lions and Raiders play.
“We’re a lot bigger, they’re probably faster,” Palmer said, “but as far as just having great players all over the place, both fronts are fantastic. You can’t think of two other better fronts, I don’t think, in the rest of the league. They have two big inside guys, we have two big inside guys. They’re very fast and small on the edge, but very fast. We’re fast and physical on the edge, but both teams have great ‘D’ lines.”
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Carson, Where is this fantastic defensive front you speak of?
December 15th, 2011 at 6:53 am
Anyone interested in all the tiebreaker rules should look at http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
Breaks down everything, straight from the NFL.
December 15th, 2011 at 6:54 am
SO LET ME GET THIS STRAIGHT,,THE TEAM IS PRACTICING WITH MORE URGENCY AND/OR INTENSITY NOW.WHAT WERE THEY DOING B4,GRAB-A$$ING AROUND ?
December 15th, 2011 at 6:58 am
It seems to be a recurring theme this week that Hue is out of answers.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
578.GG Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 4:25 am
Also Hi to Hwnrdr when he reads this :p
What’s up GG?
December 15th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Raiders favored by 1 Sunday… ” Sense of Urgency”…
I had a sense of urgency a couple weeksago … Must win Sunday..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:06 am
And WTF? Jockey will give away $1 million worth of products if Tebow and the Broncos win the SuperBowl…
F U Jockey!!!
December 15th, 2011 at 7:06 am
586..exactly… What were they thinking while our 1 game lead slipped away ..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:07 am
fingers Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 7:05 am
Raiders favored by 1 Sunday… ” Sense of Urgency”…
I had a sense of urgency a couple weeksago … Must win Sunday
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I had a sense of urgency this A.M., It was called my morning bowel movement. I hope the Raiders sense of urgency translates into something a little prettier.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:08 am
582…lol…hope it ” all workedout”…
December 15th, 2011 at 7:10 am
For all of you that hate hearing about Tebow, take this into note.
ESPN did a poll, a rather simple one. They asked what is the more interesting football story:
-Packers going undefeated
-Tim Tebow
Tebow got over 80% of the vote, and 49 of the 50 states (only Wisconsin was opposite) said Tebow.
So the FANS are the ones driving all the coverage of Tebow, not the media.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:10 am
goat of the year has got to be new englands punter he was caught on the news saying santa isnt real,,,personally i dont believe him
December 15th, 2011 at 7:10 am
I think New England will do all they can to derail the Tebow bandwagon Sunday…. The Raiders must win….
December 15th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Good Morning JFB…well, then a big F U to all those donkey loving fu*ks!!! And you mean to tell me that my home state is a Tebow loving….ugghhhh!!!! I seriously hopes NE pops his a**!
December 15th, 2011 at 7:13 am
49 of 50 freaking states, told ESPN, we would rather you talk about Tim Tebow than the Packers.
I will go out on a limb, that they would say that about any other topic as well.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Morning Hwnrdr, got to slash and dash though.
But yeah, New Mexico was like 90% Tebow and Cali was in the mid 60’s.
Crazy.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:17 am
some one please tell coach its not urgency he is seeing ,tell him its the end of the season and now people are worried about there job next year
December 15th, 2011 at 7:20 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 7:15 am
Morning Hwnrdr, got to slash and dash though.
But yeah, New Mexico was like 90% Tebow and Cali was in the mid 60’s.
Crazy.
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Not terribly surprised. This is the same group of people that elected George W. Bush … twice.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:22 am
In other news…did I hear that the Iraq War ended last night?
December 15th, 2011 at 7:22 am
THATS THE POINT IMAGUAMAN,THEY SHOULD BE PLAYING 4 THERE JOBS EVERY WEEK..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Chris In NY Says:
Anyone interested in all the tiebreaker rules should look at http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures
Breaks down everything, straight from the NFL.
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All you really need to know is that the best way in is for the Raiders to win out, Jets lose one more game, and Titans lose to Houston.
Any other scenario is more complex, requiring stars to align and other voodoo sh!t.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:24 am
agreed ,but its aqua ,but thats ok
December 15th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Not a Tebow fan here…. I despise anything Orange and Blue…Powder Blue and yellow or Red……
Same with Orton or Cassell and Rivers…. …if it ain’t Silver & Black..
Fk’m..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:26 am
SORRY,ITS EARLY.GOOD DAY TO ALL BY THE WAY..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Tebow got over 80% of the vote, and 49 of the 50 states (only Wisconsin was opposite) said Tebow.
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I will point out that this is 80% of people who pay attention to ESPN.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:27 am
The Raider just need to win out….and let it all playout..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:27 am
morning
December 15th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Dirt…good day to you too!
December 15th, 2011 at 7:31 am
JUST SOMETHING ABOUT TEBOW..GUY COULD BE PLAY’N IN THE ARENA LEAGUE AND I WOULDENT LIKE HIM..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:32 am
I think if we can go 10-6 I’d be happy with this team, even if we don’t get a playoff spot. I mean, overall, I’d be happier with 9-7 and a playoff spot. But this team has had to overcome quite a bit this year with losing the man who was the Raiders, losing its starting QB and losing its best player in DMC.
Generally, though not always, 10-6 is good enough to get in. I believe the Packers, Giants and Steelers were all 10-6 in recent years when they won the SB. The Cardinals were 9-7 that year they almost won it all. The Cards also got demolished late in that season at NE, far worse than our loss to the Packers even. The first 16 games are all about just getting in and peaking at the end. We still have that opportunity.
If we get in and McFadden can come back for a playoff run, I still think we could be the toughest team in the AFC. That’s a couple of big ifs, but both are very possible.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:39 am
Front 4 has to get to Stafford…fast..they need the same game plan they used aginst the chokers and Rivers ..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:42 am
We will beat the Lions if Palmer stops throwing these poorly timed picks. Every pick that he has thrown this year has turned into points for the oppostion…its as simple as that, if he does not throw any ints against the lions we will win. We were able to win games like the Chargers game when he threw the pick because the margin for error was there, now we dont have that same margin for error given all of the injuries and such. CP has thrown 9TD’s-13Ints…that is not good at all. I predict that if he does not play well the rest of the year, that he will not come back and he will retire…he is not the same QB that he once was, you can tell it, its on his face everytime he makes a gaff, he has never been mentally tough, and he will not cont playing if he cannot produce.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:42 am
At the end of that day, it’s all on me, I take responsibility for those throws that Carson wants back, hey I’m not a doctor, but it’s on the coaches to do a better job, we need to play better and this team don’t blink. We need to play better. <–Every PC this year you can find those words.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:43 am
I think if the Raiders win out we’re in…..
December 15th, 2011 at 7:46 am
someone please explain conflic of interest to me how can the nba league own the new orleans franchise and still have to approve a trade between two other teams.they allow the lebron deal thing i know free agent .cp3 not allowed to go to the lakers but ok to go to clippers,hornets wanted the trade right lakers wanted the trade right,nba said no go ,but the nba owns the hornets who wanted the trade. thats has to be how you define bipolar, or too much power for one person
December 15th, 2011 at 7:47 am
594.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 7:10 am
For all of you that hate hearing about Tebow, take this into note.
ESPN did a poll, a rather simple one. They asked what is the more interesting football story:
-Packers going undefeated
-Tim Tebow
Tebow got over 80% of the vote, and 49 of the 50 states (only Wisconsin was opposite) said Tebow.
So the FANS are the ones driving all the coverage of Tebow, not the media.
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Tim Tebow is the most talked about White Bronco since OJ
December 15th, 2011 at 7:49 am
Fingers Says:
I think if the Raiders win out we’re in…..
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I do think the Jets will drop a game to either the Eagles or Giants. That means it would come down to the Texans beating the Titans in the final week.
The good thing is that the Texans should be playing to win that week. Baltimore and New England will be keeping the pressure on them to fight for that #1 seed. And they’ll also want to get in as much playing time for Yates as possible before the playoffs.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:50 am
I predict that if he does not play well the rest of the year, that he will not come back and he will retire…he is not the same QB that he once was, you can tell it, its on his face everytime he makes a gaff, he has never been mentally tough, and he will not cont playing if he cannot produce.
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Wrong. The ONLY way Carson Palmer is NOT the starting QB here next year is if he suffers a season ending injury in camp. You don’t spend a first and second round draft pick on 9 games and cut bait. Just doesnt happen. Palmer, no matter how poorly he finishes the season will be given a full season in 2012 to prove his merit. If he is terrible at the conclusion of next year he and Hue will be in the unemployment line.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:53 am
HairyBush Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 6:49 am
FRONT LINES AT FOREFRONT SUNDAY
The 49ers, Ravens and Steelers might beg to differ, but as far as Palmer is concerned the two best defensive fronts will be on display Sunday, when the Lions and Raiders play.
“We’re a lot bigger, they’re probably faster,” Palmer said, “but as far as just having great players all over the place, both fronts are fantastic. You can’t think of two other better fronts, I don’t think, in the rest of the league. They have two big inside guys, we have two big inside guys. They’re very fast and small on the edge, but very fast. We’re fast and physical on the edge, but both teams have great ‘D’ lines.”
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Carson, Where is this fantastic defensive front you speak of?
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I believe this was a subliminal message to the DLine by CP
but his AZZ needs to step the F’k up too.
I can’t begin to predict a game plan this week after watching the last two games I’m so pissed off they looked like toast.
Time to put the pads on an go earn a playoff spot. Cuz it damn sho ain’t gone fall in there laps.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:54 am
How do we stop Calvin Johnson from having a big game?
December 15th, 2011 at 7:54 am
Agreed Bcz!
December 15th, 2011 at 7:55 am
#621. You fail to realize that the Raiders cannot control what he will want to do, and remember, I said it could happen, not that it definitely will happen…but given his injury history along with his vulnerablity to bail out when things are not going well it is possible, also he aint the same QB he once was…this team is Pryors in the near furture. Mark It Down.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am
Morning Hwn
December 15th, 2011 at 7:56 am
623.CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 7:54 am
How do we stop Calvin Johnson from having a big game?
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Do we have Routt cover him the whole game? Double team the guy? He is due a big game.
December 15th, 2011 at 7:57 am
623.stop him at the QB
December 15th, 2011 at 7:59 am
WHATS THE OVER/UNDER ON DEFENSIVE HOLDING & P.I. CALLS THIS WEEK WITH CALVIN JOHNSON RUNNING WILD IN THE RAIDER SECONDARY ?
December 15th, 2011 at 8:00 am
Ok, Raiders especially coach Jackson here is your chance to prove were a different team like you promised. You failed to deliver the bully, you predicted we’d make the playoffs, you’ve given speeches of confidence when, the average fan says “oh here we go again”.
you failed to address a defense that’s broken records in futility, volatility, and wowed in stupity. Our organization has been a joke for many years, and the fans are tired of it, were eager to support this team as evident by the string of sellouts, now we need the organization, coaches, and players to put forth the same effort. Here’s your chance, we won’t understand not making the playoffs, and like pirates somebody has to walk the plank, alone with our DC at seasons end
December 15th, 2011 at 8:00 am
It would help.
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615.ddwight Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 7:42 am
We will beat the Lions if Palmer stops throwing these poorly timed picks. Every pick that he has thrown this year has turned into points for the oppostion…its as simple as that, if he does not throw any ints against the lions we will win. We were able to win games like the Chargers game when he threw the pick because the margin for error was there, now we dont have that same margin for error given all of the injuries and such. CP has thrown 9TD’s-13Ints…that is not good at all. I predict that if he does not play well the rest of the year, that he will not come back and he will retire…he is not the same QB that he once was, you can tell it, its on his face everytime he makes a gaff, he has never been mentally tough, and he will not cont playing if he cannot produce.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Calvin Johnson is due a big game. We have to keep him bottled up.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:01 am
Dude he “bailed” on the Bengals after NINE YEARS! Nine years of unfulfilled promises by the owner. Nine years of dealing with CRIMINALS. Nine years of watching disgruntled player after disgruntled player leave the team. Listen, players ask to be traded ALL the time in the NFL, ESPECIALLY after the team drafts their replacement. Palmer made NO excuses about how he handled the situation in Cincy, but it is a FACT that he was forced into the position by a jerkoff owner. Palmer asked for a trade Mike Brown told him NO, sit out if you don’t like it. Mike Brown made the situation public and forced Carson’s hand. Again, Carson said he handled the situation poorly, but really no he is a quitter? Come on man. It isn’t like the guy threw a temper tantrum and held out for more money like TONS of players do. Have you ever quit a job that was no longer right for you?
December 15th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Here’s your chance, we won’t understand not making the playoffs, and like pirates somebody has to walk the plank
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You’re a fvckin genius too… show me ONE instance in NFL HISTORY where a rookie head coach was FIRED after one season for not making the playoffs. Not one time has it ever happened. Hell Al Davis himself has never fired a ROOKIE HC for not making the playoffs his FIRST YEAR. Get a clue man.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:06 am
SHANARAT
December 15th, 2011 at 8:06 am
#633. Is he The same QB he once was, or even near it?
December 15th, 2011 at 8:07 am
iknow 1 and half i think
December 15th, 2011 at 8:11 am
DC Bresnahan the ugly MF as no swag, no idea how to adjust, and his defenses are a copy of his personality dumb, slow, outdated, and retarded. We play like he looks, if he kick some ass, we might not look do pathetic.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Didn’t Shanarat have a year and 4 games? Like Kiffen?
December 15th, 2011 at 8:13 am
ddwight Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:06 am
#633. Is he The same QB he once was, or even near it?
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Ask me that when he has a few games with our REAL offense.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:14 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:12 am
Didn’t Shanarat have a year and 4 games? Like Kiffen?
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Yup
December 15th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Hue wont be fired, however he has to handle the QB situation very carefully if Jason is still around after he recovers…because you must start the QB that gives you the best chance to win…your players will notice that, and many coaches have suffered because of making the wrong choice…if jason is till here and he proves that he is better, then he must start him, on the other hand if carson proves that he is better, then he must start him. Just because draft picks were wasted makes it ludicrous not to start the best player, all that said I think that Pryor should also be given that opportunity if this palmer experiment doesnt work…he should not be #1 just because #1 picks were wasted for him. He should be #1 if he deserves to be #1 because of his play.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Bcz24 Says:
show me ONE instance in NFL HISTORY where a rookie head coach was FIRED after one season for not making the playoffs
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Show me one instance in NFL history where the head coach’s dysfunctional owner passed away during that rookie season.
Hue is an Al pick. I say take the opportunity to clean house now that Al is gone. Hue would never have been a head coach in this league if Al had died last year.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:19 am
643.RaidingTexas Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:17 am
Bcz24 Says:
show me ONE instance in NFL HISTORY where a rookie head coach was FIRED after one season for not making the playoffs
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Show me one instance in NFL history where the head coach’s dysfunctional owner passed away during that rookie season.
Hue is an Al pick. I say take the opportunity to clean house now that Al is gone. Hue would never have been a head coach in this league if Al had died last year.
Ummm…how would you know that? Maybe not this year, but eventually he probably would have…
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
how long was callahan here? seems so long ago
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Doubt it, man. He would have been interviewed for sure. You always have to satisfy that Rooney Rule.
Most other owners in this league are smart enough to sniff out a self-promoting, all hat no cattle kind of guy.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Who knows. If Al died last year, there is a good chance that whoever took over the team would have taken into account how well our offense did under Hue and made him the HC.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:24 am
645.imaquaman Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
how long was callahan here? seems so long ago
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Callahan went to the Super Bowl his first year
December 15th, 2011 at 8:25 am
646.RaidingTexas Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Doubt it, man. He would have been interviewed for sure. You always have to satisfy that Rooney Rule.
Most other owners in this league are smart enough to sniff out a self-promoting, all hat no cattle kind of guy.
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That is your opinion dude.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:27 am
646.RaidingTexas Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Doubt it, man. He would have been interviewed for sure. You always have to satisfy that Rooney Rule.
Most other owners in this league are smart enough to sniff out a self-promoting, all hat no cattle kind of guy.
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Raiding your foolishness in TX – are you referring to the hints that you continue to express that you are prejudice as all hell?
December 15th, 2011 at 8:30 am
647.bcz24 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
Who knows. If Al died last year, there is a good chance that whoever took over the team would have taken into account how well our offense did under Hue and made him the HC.
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Man you are wasting your time with the Raiding fool from TX, trust me.
Many people in the league new about Hue Jackson. Hue was one of the up in coming coaches. Our offense has been more exciting this year than they have in the last 5 plus years.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:36 am
Our offense was the fifth highest scoring team in the NFL last year, after being in the bottom 3 for years! Hue would have had a VERY strong leg up on the competition for our HC vacancy.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:41 am
hue had a 9er interview also .that rooney rule is just paper ever since al davis broke the mold with art shell ,another bold move by al ,man he sure as helll did what he wanted
December 15th, 2011 at 8:47 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
Raiding your foolishness in TX – are you referring to the hints that you continue to express that you are prejudice as all hell?
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You’re the foolish one. How am I prejudiced when I lobbied for Campbell over Gradkowski last year?
I would take Dungee, Lovie or Tomlin as a coach in a heartbeat. I just think Hue is an offensive positions coach, nothing more.
Unlike some of you, I’m able to see that there was another HUGE factor that contributed to a vastly improved offense last year. How quickly some of you forget that 2010 was the first post-Jamarcus season. That alone accounted for the extra three wins.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:48 am
bcz24 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:24 am
645.imaquaman Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:23 am
how long was callahan here? seems so long ago
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Callahan went to the Super Bowl his first year
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Callahan also inherited a team already on the verge of the superbowl thanks to Chuckie… He basically made no changes, thus Oakland gets whipped by Tampa in the Superbowl… The way I see it, Chuckie had 2 teams in the Superbowl at the same time…
December 15th, 2011 at 8:50 am
pretty much
December 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Imaquaman Says:
al davis broke the mold with art shell ,another bold move by al
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That was a good move – the first time around. Art would possibly have a Super Bowl win as a head coach if not for Bo going down.
The second time around? No, bad move. He couldn’t even pay attention to the games from the sideline. People had to wake him up from sleeping with his eyes open staring at that clipboard.
Who was it here the other day saying Art deserved a second year after 2006? LMFAO
December 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Biggest mistake Al made was firing Chuckie… We couldve had a perennial contender under his guidance…
December 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
I have no idea what to expect on Sunday.
I want to think that they can right the ship at home, Hue will have the guys fired up and excited to actually be playing meaningful football.
Than on the same hand, all those (except for being at home) should have held true the last two weeks and this team just quit.
So we should see. Unfortunately it looks like we either will win a close game, or get blown out. We will not blow them out.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:52 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
Callahan also inherited a team already on the verge of the superbowl thanks to Chuckie
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And Chuckie inherited Dungee’s Super Bowl-ready team. LOL
Throw in the Raiders playbook and it was all too easy for Gruden.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Calvin Johnson is always a threat, no matter what. But our secondary has not been a problem area for us this year, IMO.
Pop quiz: How many WRs have gone over 100 yards against us this season?
Answer: Two. Welker in Wk 4; Knox in Wk 12 (81 of Knox’s 145 came on one, perfectly executed play).
Raiders are:
- No. 2 in opponents’ passing comp. pct.
- No. 4 in sacks
- No. 10 in INTs
Pass defense is really not the Raiders’ problem. Inconsistent run defense — absolutely. Extending drives with penalties — definitely. Offensive ineptitude with turnovers and 3 and outs the last two weeks — surely. But pass defense is actually a strength of this team.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Callahan also inherited a team already on the verge of the superbowl thanks to Chuckie… He basically made no changes, thus Oakland gets whipped by Tampa in the Superbowl… The way I see it, Chuckie had 2 teams in the Superbowl at the same time…
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No arguments there. I only mentioned it because someone mentioned Callahans name when I asked if there had ever been a coach fired after just his rookie season for not making the playoffs.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:56 am
655.ill be the first to admit i only know half of what i claim ,and i only claim to know half of what i say i do
December 15th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Again, Hue is not going anywhere. Nor should he.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:58 am
Raiders are:
- No. 2 in opponents’ passing comp. pct.
- No. 4 in sacks
- No. 10 in INTs
Pass defense is really not the Raiders’ problem. Inconsistent run defense — absolutely. Extending drives with penalties — definitely. Offensive ineptitude with turnovers and 3 and outs the last two weeks — surely. But pass defense is actually a strength of this team.
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While I will agree with you for the most part on this, our secondary still has one major problem, same as last year. All looks good on paper, but they still are at or near the top in passing TDs allowed.
December 15th, 2011 at 8:59 am
When I say top, I mean the most passing TDs allowed, I guess I should have phrased that as at the bottom… lol
December 15th, 2011 at 9:01 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Imaquaman Says:
al davis broke the mold with art shell ,another bold move by al
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That was a good move – the first time around. Art would possibly have a Super Bowl win as a head coach if not for Bo going down.
The second time around? No, bad move. He couldn’t even pay attention to the games from the sideline. People had to wake him up from sleeping with his eyes open staring at that clipboard.
Who was it here the other day saying Art deserved a second year after 2006? LMFAO
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By far the worst season of Raider football that I have ever witnessed. Out of all the losing seasons, and bad football, the actual game play was at its UGLIEST that season. The Bed and Breakfast offense, mixed with THAT oline, are responsible for ending Aaron Brooks AND Andrew Walter’s careers. They got DESTROYED, every play. Sims, Gallery, Walker, ugh.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:01 am
it was i that asked how long he was here ,i had forgot he was the coach when we went to our last superbowl ,since i dont really credit him for it
December 15th, 2011 at 9:03 am
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/id/7353302/steve-johnson-buffalo-bills-ponders-future-talks-end
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Sign him in the offseason whoever is in charge. Bring the man home to Oakland.
I say get rid of Housh (obviously) and Chaz, and put Murphy on the market and take what you can get for him, even if it is only a 7th.
Moore and Stevie starting with Ford in the slot, that would be some nice weaponry for CP3 to play with.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Raiders were top 5 in QB rating allowed two weeks ago.
Sure it took a little hit since than.
But outside of Rodgers, Brady and Tebow, we have played a ton of crappy QB’s.
Cassell, Orton, Hanie, Moore, Sanchez, McCoy, Ponder.
A bunch of crap.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Who was it here the other day saying Art deserved a second year after 2006? LMFAO
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RaiderRockstar…. I think he said it just to rile some people up though.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:06 am
We also held Rodgers to his lowest rating and completion percentage of the year, and don’t give me that crap about its only because he played 2.5 quarters, because he threw the ball 30 times.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:07 am
The refs are starting to make me belive that the WWE has bought a interest in the NFL! That along with this Tebow LUCK!Very SHADY! FAIRPLAY ANGELS!
December 15th, 2011 at 9:08 am
we are the only to hold rodgers to under 100 qb rating i think.every other game he played well over 100
December 15th, 2011 at 9:10 am
Believe me, I am aware there isn’t anything positive to say about our defense right now. It IS the leagues worst defense. I think Bres needs to go, Beikert can stay as an assistant but a REAL LB coach needs to be brought in as well. I think Roll and Woodson are ok, but if the new DC wants to replace them as well, I won’t be upset. Waufle should be retained unless the new DC trys to move to a 3-4, which I think is a bad idea.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:10 am
We might have held him under a 100 QB rating, but he humilated us in the first 20 minutes of the game, however you want to spin it.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:11 am
This defense is the equivalent of the Bed and Breakfast offense.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Usually teams in the 3-4 are much more creative in their blitz schemes and alignments and what have you.
How are we going to take this bunch, and put them in a more complicated and completely different defense, and expect improvement in 2012?
December 15th, 2011 at 9:20 am
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December 15th, 2011 at 9:21 am
A switch to a 3-4 does not equate immediate, unquestioned improvement for the defense.
Better just to find the RIGHT defensive coordinator who can get the most out of the players available to the Raiders (whether they’re already on the roster, or they’re in the draft or free agency), regardless of scheme.
Raiders have some 3-4 pieces… but they don’t have an elite rush linebacker (even Wimbley gets most of his pressures as a nickle DE) nor do they have a NT, and no one knows how Houston would do at 3-4 DE. Some big question marks there, but teams have indeed made the switch successfully. It would also allow the Raiders to put McClain and Goethel in the middle, and use Trevor Scott more effectively.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:22 am
678. Exaclty the point of the story.
Bres moving away from the strength of his D and secondary since Davis’ death.
They were built for one thing and doing another suddenly and with all the injuries is stupid and costing us.
Likehow they mentioned Nnamdi struggling in Philly playing more zone as an example
December 15th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Goethel can’t be relied upon to do anything.
Two years, like 4 injuries and two seasons on IR.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:27 am
Moving to a 3-4 MIGHT bring about positive changes down the road, in 2013 and on.
But Al never was into that. We re-load not re-build.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Goethel can’t be relied upon to do anything.
Two years, like 4 injuries and two seasons on IR.
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Agreed. Back injuries are bad enough, but a torn ACL means it’ll take some time before Goethel is anywhere close to 100%. The Raiders don’t even know what Travis Goethel at 100% gives them – every time he’s been in line for a starting role he’s gotten injured.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:38 am
678.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Usually teams in the 3-4 are much more creative in their blitz schemes and alignments and what have you.
How are we going to take this bunch, and put them in a more complicated and completely different defense, and expect improvement in 2012?
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Thats why I said it was a bad idea! I don’t want to move to a 3-4, I just thought it was worth mentioning since SO many in here think a move to the 3-4 would be beneficial.
I think an new DC and a few new pieces on defense are what we need. I would definitely look at Ruud, if for nothing else than to push McClain. Ruud is a MUCH better run stuffer, though he struggles in coverage (not that McClain is the Revis of linebackers anyways)
December 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
Our secondary could only improve if they had a DC putting them in a position to succeed, a DL that generated a more constant pressure, and a DL and LBs more capable of stopping the run. By the time an RB gets to the third level he has a full head of steam and is a major mismatch for these smaller corners to be tackling. They shouldnt have to be looking for RBs 20-25 yards down field. They should be focused on covering their guy.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I will be patient with McClain for year 3.
Both McFadden and DHB were hot garbage as well their first 2 years.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:43 am
If the Raiders can dump enough salary, they need to go hard after Mario Williams in free agency. Perfect fit for the defense. Can seal the edge, and is a beast rushing the passer. He’s the playmaker the Raiders desperately need. Think Julius Peppers’ effect on the Bears’ defense.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:45 am
My wish list:
Reggie McKenzie as GM
Jack Del Rio or Steve Spagnuolo as DC
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 3rd
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 5th
This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $20 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure Huff if they haven’t already. Then they need to re-sign Branch, Reece, Bryant, Heyer, and make a competitive offer to Michael Bush.
2 – DT Dontari Poe
3 – CB Leonard Johnson
3 – RB David Wilson
3 (comp.) – OL Lucas Nix
4 – OL Alex Hurst
4 (comp.) DE Jake Bequette
5 – WR Chris Owusu
5 – S Harrison Smith
6 – LB Chris Galippo
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, and one in particular would help the Raiders seal the edge against the run AND pressure the QB with their four-man front. Mario Williams would have a Julius Peppers-like impact on this defense. So:
Sign DE Mario Williams
Sign MLB Barrett Ruud
December 15th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 3rd
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 5th
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Not getting that type of compensation for Seymour and McFadden.
May get it for TK and McClain.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@YoungAmerican
Tender Bush?
December 15th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Mario Williams will be nearly impossible to get. Houston is already a competitor, and will be even more so next year with their offense whole again. No way they let Mario out of the building to even entertain offers. I think he will give them the old ‘home town discount’ too.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Not getting that type of compensation for Seymour and McFadden.
May get it for TK and McClain.
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Seymour could get a 3rd from the Redskins.
There are at least a few teams that would be enamored with McFadden’s potential. These are teams that have most of the pieces in place but could use a home run hitter, even if it’s a part-time home run hitter.
Both trades are worth exploring because all it takes is one sucker, or one desperate team.
Hell, Mike Brown managed to get a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer…
December 15th, 2011 at 9:52 am
We don’t need the big “splashy” FA signings, just a handful of solid, saavy vets to get this team from laying down in Miami with the season on the line.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Hue is an Al pick. I say take the opportunity to clean house now that Al is gone. Hue would never have been a head coach in this league if Al had died last year.
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Ah no….As I recall the 9ers were very much interested in coach Jackson as well. would tey have hired him who know’s however, his work in Oakland as an OCO put him in a few HC disscussions.
Clean house is easier said than done. the GM may or may not have that latitude. Moreover, what is going to happen to the chemistry built with the current HC nd players?
Coach Jackson gets us to 8-8 he will be retained, and Bresh will be the fall guy as the D has been terrible.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:52 am
691.DutchRaider77 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:48 am
@YoungAmerican
Tender Bush?
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He is unrestricted so we cant tender him, and the franchise tag would be too much (approaching 8 million) for a back up running back.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:54 am
bcz24 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Mario Williams will be nearly impossible to get. Houston is already a competitor, and will be even more so next year with their offense whole again. No way they let Mario out of the building to even entertain offers. I think he will give them the old ‘home town discount’ too.
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I don’t know, their defense has been just as formidable without Williams. And he probably prefers playing with his hand on the ground. I think other teams have a shot. He’s a UFA after the season.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hell, Mike Brown managed to get a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer…
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Different for QB’s.
Go look at draft compensation for RB’s traded in the last 10 years.
Marshall Faulk for a 2nd rounder is about the highest I could find, and Marshall was fresh off a 2,200 yards from scrimmage season and missed 3 games in 5 years.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Hell, Mike Brown managed to get a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer…
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totally diffrent set of circumstance…
Plamer was being held hostage…
December 15th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:52 am
We don’t need the big “splashy” FA signings, just a handful of solid, saavy vets to get this team from laying down in Miami with the season on the line.
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Not signings, just signing. Again, look what Peppers did for an aging Bears defense that didn’t have any real playmakers on the defensive line. Night and day difference. Williams helps remedy the exact problems the Raiders defense has right now.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Ill tell you what could be an intriguing possibility, Dmac to New England. They always have the extra picks to give away, and DMAC wouldn’t have to be relied upon to carry the offense, and wouldn’t cripple them if he got hurt. They could be willing to give us the type of compensation to make it worth our while to get rid of him. However in doing so, you are now making this a pass first team and relying and CP3 to win for you, as opposed to managing the game.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:56 am
Seymour could get a 3rd from the Redskins.
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LOL….I wish.
A guy with one year and $15 million due, that is regressing in front of our eyes?
I don’t think we could get a 33rd round pick better yet a 3rd round pick.
December 15th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Hey, I wouldn’t be mad if we signed Mario Williams. Hell I would be elated.
But I worry that we give the guy 7 years 100 million, he gets hurt, becomes unmotivated, and is a somewhat flop.
Happens too often with us.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I will be patient with McClain for year 3.
Both McFadden and DHB were hot garbage as well their first 2 years.
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Ya but they were actually trying and commuted to getting better.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:06 am
When you look at the potential starters for next year, I still think the roster would be better suited for the 3-4.
Curry and Wimbley are TERRIBLE in coverage as we all know. Can you really argue that they are not better suited to play OLB in the 3-4. Their main responsibilty would be to pressure the edges.
McClain doesn’t have that speed we are looking for as a 4-3 MLB. Why not play to his strenghts and put him back at ILB?
Agree that Goethel can’t be counted on and we need a young NT.
Agreed that they key is the DC though a la Wade Phillips. If our new GM comes from BMore or GB, you can pretty much be assured that we will be in the 3-4.
Trade Kelly and ShoNasty for picks.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:06 am
YoungAmerican Says:
Seymour could get a 3rd from the Redskins.
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Doubt it. Snyder seems to be actually listening to Shanahan. They’re not going to trade away a 3rd rounder for the right to pay an ineffective and out-of-control DE $15 million next year.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:06 am
*committed*
December 15th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Hell, Mike Brown managed to get a 1st and a 2nd for Carson Palmer…
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Because an idiot was negotiating the other side of that trade. We’ve been over this ad nauseum. LOL
December 15th, 2011 at 10:11 am
$7.5 million of the rest of Seymour’s contract is a roster bonus, though.
There are several teams who would give up something for Seymour. Again, the Redskins would. Jets and Dolphins might. Maybe the Panthers if they’re looking to switch to a 3-4 next season. There are options. Might not be a 3rd rounder, but even a 4th and 6th wouldn’t be a bad return for a guy who doesn’t seem interested in helping the Raiders anymore.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:11 am
@J Hill
John Henderson a DE (Part-time) in a 3-4?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Just read that Tom Brady is 1-5 in his career in Denver.
Time to start firing up those wildcard scenarios!!!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Because an idiot was negotiating the other side of that trade. We’ve been over this ad nauseum. LOL
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I would say that the guy he was negotiating with was desperate more than anything. That’s what happens when the guy in charge of building your roster gives you Kyle Boller as a backup QB.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:15 am
Trade Kelly and ShoNasty for picks.
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Why would you want to trade Shonasty?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:17 am
Many in here liked Boller this past offseason and said either (A) He is better than Gradkowski or (B) who cares, he is the backup.
I spent a good chunk of the offseason telling you how much a disaster Kyle Boller is as your #2.
The sealer was when Kool Kell chimed in that he can “make all the throws, which Gradkowski can’t”.
Yeah, all the throws, lol.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:18 am
John Henderson a DE (Part-time) in a 3-4?
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Starting NT!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Trade Kelly and ShoNasty for picks.
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Why would you want to trade Shonasty?
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Well he is actually a good player (worth somthing) and Jerry Mac says he doesn’t fit a 3-4.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I’d trade ShoNasty because of his injury history, to be honest. It was the reason he dropped in the draft, and it already creeping up here in the league. We have to move on from these constantly injured players. Especially if we can get something for them.
Houston and Bryant would be STUD DEs in the 3-4, imo.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Best case, win out. Broncos lose to Cheifs.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Henderson isn’t a true NT. Too tall, too old. Not a even a 2-down player anymore.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Does a 3-4 mean the end of Mike Wauffle?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Agreed that they key is the DC though a la Wade Phillips. If our new GM comes from BMore or GB, you can pretty much be assured that we will be in the 3-4.
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Green Bay is a 4-3 arent they?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Agreed that they key is the DC though a la Wade Phillips. If our new GM comes from BMore or GB, you can pretty much be assured that we will be in the 3-4.
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And Baltimore is a mix of 4-3 and 3-4
December 15th, 2011 at 10:31 am
Obviously (Hue!) the Raids will be patient with McClain, as they have been with DHB and DMAC.
Too much invested in them NOT to.
Personally, I think McClain is too SLOW to ever be more than a mediocre MLB in the NFL, and I question his attitude and commitment.
Never had any doubts about DMAC or DHB having Raider speed or their commitment to excellence. There is certainly reason to question DMAC’s durability, but that’s another issue.
The Raids will also show patience with Palmer. They have to.
Like McClain, Palmer’s mental status and overall commitment to football (based on his history in Cincy) is open to question. And like McClain’s noticeable lack of foot speed, Palmer’s declined arm strength makes his future viability questionable.
Don’t care what anyone says, I see a noticeable lack of velocity on Palmer’s throws. I think his proclivity for throwing picks is partly a result of not being able to sling it like he once did. He’s got to adjust his game and play smarter. Passes that once arrived a tenth of a second earlier, will now be deflected or intercepted.
We’ll see how Palmer pans out. Kind of odd that Hue’s future as a head coach will in large part be determined by his action as a temporary GM, as it is obvious that bringing Palmer in for two high draft picks was his decision.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:31 am
GB plays multiple fronts. Lots of ‘3-4′ teams do now, including Baltimore.
I would love for the Raiders to add 2 more pieces to make us very dynamic, ILB and NT.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:35 am
Houston and Bryant would be STUD DEs in the 3-4, imo.
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I liked Houston a lot. As of Late he is reminding of Louis Murphy. Someone I also used to like a lot. Houston has been making a lot of bone headed moves.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:36 am
Adding Ruud would give us a viable candidate to replace McClain if necessary due to injury/possible suspension/questionable effort/effectiveness and also a viable ILB if we indeed decide to experiment with a 3-4.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
717.J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I’d trade ShoNasty because of his injury history, to be honest. It was the reason he dropped in the draft, and it already creeping up here in the league. We have to move on from these constantly injured players. Especially if we can get something for them.
Houston and Bryant would be STUD DEs in the 3-4, imo.
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Damn u choppin on ya own dude?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I liked Houston a lot. As of Late he is reminding of Louis Murphy. Someone I also used to like a lot. Houston has been making a lot of bone headed moves.
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Lots of good players go through a ’sophmore slump’. No one questions Matt Forte’s abilities as on of the top 3 or 4 RBs in the NFL, and he was invisible his sophmore year.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
I liked Houston a lot. As of Late he is reminding of Louis Murphy. Someone I also used to like a lot. Houston has been making a lot of bone headed moves.
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99 is that kind of guy. He’s a hothead and he’s going to make mistakes unless he matures or gets a coach to really get in his ear. May always be like that. If he continues to improve his game, won’t matter to me as long as he making plays.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
719.YoungAmerican Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Henderson isn’t a true NT. Too tall, too old. Not a even a 2-down player anymore.
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He isnt a 3-4 NT…but he is a 4-3 NT…his height has nada to do with it…..and if he isnt a 2 down player then Seymour is a no down player
December 15th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Houston is a 4-3 UT/3-4 DE….not a DE in a 4-E
December 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
I mentioned in here yesterday that Travis Goethel could be a really good ILB but his injuries are a concern.
Seems like he has the goods and the smarts but just cant seem to stay healthy.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:40 am
Lots of good players go through a ’sophmore slump’. No one questions Matt Forte’s abilities as on of the top 3 or 4 RBs in the NFL, and he was invisible his sophmore year.
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It’s not that Houston is invisable, It’s more that he is very undisciplined. (Even more so than the Rest of the Raiders on the defensive side of the ball, minus Seymour. My concern is that he will never change and continue to put us in bad spots weather be by penalty or not being in position.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Seems like he has the goods and the smarts but just cant seem to stay healthy.
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His injuries have been pretty serious too. That back injury is especially concerning for a dude as young as him.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Fk the 3-4 defense…I like the 4-3….problem is you need good players regardless of system but I favor the 4-3
December 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am
I mentioned in here yesterday that Travis Goethel could be a really good ILB but his injuries are a concern.
Seems like he has the goods and the smarts but just cant seem to stay healthy.
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Ricky Brown 2.0.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am
BTW: I thought Mario Williams signed an extension with Houston? I could be wrong…
December 15th, 2011 at 10:43 am
My concern is that he will never change and continue to put us in bad spots weather be by penalty or not being in position.
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A real DC can coach that out of him though, even Seymour and Kelly can be coached up to perform better, although an infusion of younger talent at DLine is definitely in order.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I have always thought the strength of using a 4-3 is that you can show a lot more looks than a traditional 3-4.
You can better disguise what you are doing to the offense.
Anyone else feel this way?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
735.Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Fk the 3-4 defense…I like the 4-3….problem is you need good players regardless of system but I favor the 4-3
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I’m split, but for all their down falls I still think our DLineman are better than our LBs which makes the 4-3 a better fit for us.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Morning DMAC
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
99 is that kind of guy. He’s a hothead and he’s going to make mistakes unless he matures or gets a coach to really get in his ear. May always be like that. If he continues to improve his game, won’t matter to me as long as he making plays.
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I wish I could share your sentiment.
IMO if you make a great play like dropping a RB 3 yards behind the LOS it is offset with an off sides penalty. Kind of a wash more than a benefit. I agree that with the right coaching there is definetley something there to work with. As long as Houston is a Raider I will hope he get’s his act together.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
You can better disguise what you are doing to the offense.
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Bres can’t disguise the fact that he has no clue what he is doing. LOL
December 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Damn u choppin on ya own dude?
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Unfortunately, yes.
Not a good fit for my preferred 3-4.
And I think he is one of the few good young players we can get a decent draft pick for.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
DMAC….whats up bro?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
719.YoungAmerican Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Henderson isn’t a true NT. Too tall, too old. Not a even a 2-down player anymore.
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He isnt a 3-4 NT…but he is a 4-3 NT…his height has nada to do with it…..and if he isnt a 2 down player then Seymour is a no down player
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He can play 1-tech in a 4-3, yes, but not a true 3-4 NT at all. His height has a lot to do with it if he’s playing directly over the center. It’s about leverage, and in that case it’s going to be difficult for him to get any.
Any team that, at this point in his career, would rely on Henderson to play 1st and 2nd down all game long would come away very disappointed. He’s a solid role player now, that’s the extent of it.
Seymour’s effort all season has been spotty to say the least.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:46 am
What up fellas!
A Raider win – a Donkey lost and we’re back in it.
+ still in the hunt for wild card
Si se puede!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Bres can’t disguise the fact that he has no clue what he is doing. LOL
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Amen
December 15th, 2011 at 10:49 am
748.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:46 am
What up fellas!
A Raider win – a Donkey lost and we’re back in it.
+ still in the hunt for wild card
Si se puede!
YUP! Like B said yesterday…let’s get the D lot energized!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
If the Raiders want to immediately improve the defense?
1.) A defensive coordinator like Del Rio or Spagnuolo
2.) Find a way back into the 1st or 2nd round and draft Ta’amu or Poe
3.) Sign Mario Williams in free agency
December 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I like the 4-3….problem is you need good players
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Problem for me is Wimbley and Curry not being able to play the pass AT ALL.
Kelly, Seymour, and Henderson are getting way long in the tooth.
McClain is slow as fuuhhggg.
We have a lot of changes to make if we stay in the 4-3.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:50 am
I said yesterday and I’ll say it again.
Houston is our best run stuffer. (How many long runs bounced out his way?)
Dude plays w/ a high motor and gets ugly w/ opposing linemen. (luv it)
Dude gets overlooked because he doesn’t get many sacks. (something he can def. work on)
As a matter of fact my next jersey will be Houston.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
The Raiders have a lot of changes they need to make on defense regardless of scheme. What they need is to find an impact playmaker who they can build around. Right now? None of the defensive personnel are impact players.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
739.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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well fk u too…lol
December 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
747.YoungAmerican Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:38 am
719.YoungAmerican Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:21 am
Henderson isn’t a true NT. Too tall, too old. Not a even a 2-down player anymore.
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He isnt a 3-4 NT…but he is a 4-3 NT…his height has nada to do with it…..and if he isnt a 2 down player then Seymour is a no down player
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He can play 1-tech in a 4-3, yes, but not a true 3-4 NT at all. His height has a lot to do with it if he’s playing directly over the center. It’s about leverage, and in that case it’s going to be difficult for him to get any.
Any team that, at this point in his career, would rely on Henderson to play 1st and 2nd down all game long would come away very disappointed. He’s a solid role player now, that’s the extent of it.
Seymour’s effort all season has been spotty to say the least.
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Seymour only played in denver…after that he is houdini
December 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
739.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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well fk u too…lol
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A little taste of my own medicine, huh?
(taste like schiiiiiiiit)
lol
December 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Problem for me is Wimbley and Curry not being able to play the pass AT ALL.
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These guys are being asked to cover wide receivers, show me a linebacker in the NFL that can man up with a WR? They shouldnt be asked to play the coverages they do.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
back next year:
qb CP Pryor
wr Moore Ford Dhb
te Boss Myers Ausberry
Oline Veld Wiz Barks
RB DMAC Bush TJ
DL Shaughenssey Sey Kelly Houston Bryant Moss
LB Wimbley Mcclain Curry Groves Goethel
SS Branch Mitchell
FS Huff Eugene
I say it’s Mcclains make or break next year hopefully with a healthy Goethel ready to replace him should he falter, we should look for a C or a NT with our 2nd round pick
December 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Williams – Ta’amu/Poe – Houston – Shaughnessy/Bryant
There’s a front four that can keep blockers away from the linebackers, control their gaps and stop the run. With Mario Williams on the end? Terrifying.
Need a guy who can play 1-tech and/or 0-tech.
Need a guy who MAKES PLAYS.
Need youth.
Need a coach who teaches gap discipline, not merely gap penetration.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Someone needs to ask Houston what he was thinking when he clipped in GB. Want to clean up bonehead penalties, Hue ? There’s a place to start.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:54 am
757.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:52 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:51 am
739.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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well fk u too…lol
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A little taste of my own medicine, huh?
(taste like schiiiiiiiit)
lol
LOL
December 15th, 2011 at 10:55 am
I think our LBs would be impact players in a 3-4.
Wimbley and Curry need to be turned loose on the QB. Keeping them at OLB instead of having one them put their hand in the ground allows them to move around and attack from different spots.
Curry has every bit the athleticism that Von Miller has. Curry is that far behind. Let them reek havoc!
Sign a veteran “solid” ILB to play next to McClain.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:55 am
we should look for a C or a NT with our 2nd round pick
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NE has our second round pick.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
If the Raiders can’t find a way into the 2nd round or higher, then Tydreke Powell and Marcus Forston could be options at DT. Those guys are more 1-tech/2-tech types, though, not 3-4 NT material.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
None of the defensive personnel are impact players.
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Wimbley 3rd in the league in qb pressures, Routt pro bowl level, Branch pro bowl level
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
NE has our second round pick.
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How?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
So it’s CP3 to Griffin on those nasty alley oops.
DAAAAAMN!
December 15th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Curry struggled rushing the passer in Seattle though. Didnt he play ILB at Wake Forest?
December 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
So it’s CP3 to Griffin on those nasty alley oops.
DAAAAAMN!
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if la doens’t upgrade pg (ellis, mayo, calderon) clips definitely run LA
December 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
767.inonewordraider Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:56 am
NE has our second round pick.
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How?
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Traded it to them during this years draft for the picks we used on Barksdale and TJones
December 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
YoungAmerican,
Is your part time job a scout?
Looks like you know your college players.
(I don’t know half those dudes your talking about)
lol
December 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Wimbley 3rd in the league in qb pressures, Routt pro bowl level, Branch pro bowl level
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I’m talking about Polmalu, Harrison, Williams, Willis, Reed, Ngata, Peppers… not fringe Pro Bowl players who are adequate in coverage.
Wimbley is indeed the closest thing the Raiders have to an impact player, but the vast majority of his pressures are when he’s playing DE in nickel formations. Above-average 4-3 SLB, very good nickel rusher.
NOT a guy who forces opposing offenses to account for him on every single down… which is exactly what the Raiders need on defense. Even one player like that can make a huge difference.
December 15th, 2011 at 10:59 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:42 am
I mentioned in here yesterday that Travis Goethel could be a really good ILB but his injuries are a concern.
Seems like he has the goods and the smarts but just cant seem to stay healthy.
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Ricky Brown 2.0.
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Both of which IMO have too small of a frame to play the Mike… If they were heavier, they could take more of a pounding… Both could use a good lifting program and back-up ass first into a couple needles…lol
December 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I agree that it’s ridiculous to have LBs covering WRs.
Our Curry and Wimbley struggle covering TEs and RBs too.
McClain is the only decent coverage guy.
Just don’t think our OLBs should ever be in man to man. I’d venture to say that they lose that battle more often than not.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:02 am
NOT a guy who forces opposing offenses to account for him on every single down… which is exactly what the Raiders need on defense. Even one player like that can make a huge difference.
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Can you imagine Williams rushing off the edge with Wimbley folling behind him, or rushing from the other edge… now THAT would have some QBs quivering in their booties.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Even one player like that can make a huge difference
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I think the Texans without Williams have shown you can do it without a marquee name. Our Dline can get to the qb with the best of em just can’t consistently stop the run. Our secondary can cover with the best of em. Our have the talent, let’s see what we can do with a good DC and try to get a run stuffer
December 15th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Just don’t think our OLBs should ever be in man to man. I’d venture to say that they lose that battle more often than not
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Agreed. Seeing Wimbley manned up on a TE 35 yards down field on a seam route is an absolute joke, but its happened.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:44 am
I have always thought the strength of using a 4-3 is that you can show a lot more looks than a traditional 3-4.
You can better disguise what you are doing to the offense.
Anyone else feel this way?
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I think the opposite, really.
in a 3-4, you can disguise more. You don’t know where the 4th and 5th pass rusher is coming from.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 10:58 am
YoungAmerican,
Is your part time job a scout?
Looks like you know your college players.
(I don’t know half those dudes your talking about)
lol
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I just spend a lot of time watching college football. Not REALLY into college football, but following certain players who appear NFL-ready makes it interesting for me. I find some names that actual scouts are buzzing about and try to follow those players throughout the season, find clips of them playing whenever I can, stay up on any injury/character concerns and draft status, etc.. It’s just a way to pass the time, really, but from the looks of it plenty of amateurs have huge draft-related websites/databases and they’re not doing a whole lot more than I am.
Twitter is a great resource, though. A bunch of scouts/personnel folk spend time on there and have some great insight on players to watch.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Traded it to them during this years draft for the picks we used on Barksdale and TJones
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what round is our first pick?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:05 am
clips definitely run LA
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December 15th, 2011 at 11:05 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
by JDJohnDickinson
Carson Palmer coming off his 2nd 4 INT gameFollowed pvs one in 07 w/ his most accurate game ever: 32-38 in 35-6 win over Ten
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Bounce back game for CP?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:05 am
When I watch Wimbley play I get the feeling he would be an absolute monster playing in Pittsburgh’s or GB’s defensive scheme.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:05 am
what round is our first pick?
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As it stands now, isn’t it a 5th?
With the expectation we get a low 3rd for Nnam
December 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Why do you think Mario Williams will hit the open market?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
NOT a guy who forces opposing offenses to account for him on every single down… which is exactly what the Raiders need on defense. Even one player like that can make a huge difference
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I hoped and wished last year by some miracle we got Suh. He would have been a perfect Raider.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Wade Phillips is all the proof we should need one of the worst d’s to the best no healthy big name players although Cushing should be. We have the talent, we need the discipline and scheme
December 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
YA,
Who’s one of those nasty, all out LB’s this year in college?
(I like that kid Skov from Stanford)
December 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So if you want Williams, what do you do with Wimbley and Curry?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So if you want Williams, what do you do with Wimbley and Curry?
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Nothing.
Williams a 4-3 DE.
Plug Wimbley in at DE on passing downs.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:09 am
781.inonewordraider Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Traded it to them during this years draft for the picks we used on Barksdale and TJones
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what round is our first pick?
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5th round is our first pick, but most agree we will get a compensatory at the bottom of the 3rd round. Without Compensatory picks we have 2 draft picks next year:
1st – Cin for CP3
2nd – NE for 2011 3rd and 4th (Barksdale and TJones)
3rd – Pryor
4th – Campbell
5th – Available
6th – Available
7th – Curry
December 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
clips definitely run LA
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they do!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Nothing.
Williams a 4-3 DE.
Plug Wimbley in at DE on passing downs
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A lot of $$ for someone only playing passing downs.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:07 am
Wade Phillips is all the proof we should need one of the worst d’s to the best no healthy big name players although Cushing should be. We have the talent, we need the discipline and scheme
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I don’t know man they also have….
Ryans, Williams, Joseph, Watt, etc
Pretty solid IMO
December 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
We are not getting Mario Williams.
Stop it!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
1st – Cin for CP3
2nd – NE for 2011 3rd and 4th (Barksdale and TJones)
3rd – Pryor
4th – Campbell
5th – Available
6th – Available
7th – Curry
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dang hope there’s an upgrade a C and an NT in FA
December 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
We are not getting Mario Williams.
Stop it!
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What about Mario and Luigi, then?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Anyone know if Kevin Smith is suiting up for the Simbas Sunday?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
793.Method To My Madness Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
clips definitely run LA
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they do!
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Awwww, you’re just upset there are 2 teams in LA better than the Ws now.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Wiz needs to be running this O-line. We can draft Guards in the later rounds next year.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
798.DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:12 am
J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:11 am
We are not getting Mario Williams.
Stop it!
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What about Mario and Luigi, then?
No, because for some reason we may end up with Princess Toad!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:13 am
I think the Texans without Williams have shown you can do it without a marquee name. Our Dline can get to the qb with the best of em just can’t consistently stop the run. Our secondary can cover with the best of em. Our have the talent, let’s see what we can do with a good DC and try to get a run stuffer
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That’s the thing, though. DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing are both clear Pro Bowl-level players, but their OLBs Nick Reed (the rookie) and Connor Barwin have the talent to be household names. The Raiders currently do not have anyone of that caliber in the front seven.
Wimbley, Houston and Shaughnessy are the closest the Raiders have talent-wise. And Houston is at DE when he should be a 3-tech DT and Shaughnessy is on IR, so we really don’t even know what they’re capable of yet, outside of being nice players with some upside.
The key pieces, in my opinion, are a DT who can play 1-tech and 2-tech that would allow Houston to move back to his natural position, and an RE who can seal the edge against the rush AND make the Raiders’ 4-man pass rush more effective.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Bcz24,
Kevin Smith (ankle) was participating in team drills at the beginning of Lions practice Thursday.
This doesn’t necessarily mean that Smith will participate fully in practice, but he continues to trend in the right direction. He emerged from Wednesday’s light work in fine shape and says his mobility is much better this week than last. For now, Smith appears on track to play against the Raiders Sunday.
Source: Anwar Richardson on Twitter
December 15th, 2011 at 11:14 am
I have a feeling we will be trading off at least a few guys for picks. Probably wont be able to work back into the first or second rounds, but we should be able to get a few mid-rounders in the off-season
December 15th, 2011 at 11:14 am
Kevin Smith (ankle) was participating in team drills at the beginning of Lions practice Thursday.
This doesn’t necessarily mean that Smith will participate fully in practice, but he continues to trend in the right direction. He emerged from Wednesday’s light work in fine shape and says his mobility is much better this week than last. For now, Smith appears on track to play against the Raiders Sunday.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:15 am
The secret to the Raiders future success….
Switching to a 3-4 defense.
All the best defensive teams run a 3-4. The Steelers have run it forever!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
With Orton back the Chiefs can beat the Broncos. Jets still play at Phi NYG and @ Mia. Tenn plays @ Hou. Can we win another 3 in a row?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
Let’s see what this D is all about w/ a real DC!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
At least there is no Jahvid Best to worry about.
On the other hand there is Megatron…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Billups starting at the 2?????
LMFAO!
Clippers gave up WAAAAYYYYYYY too much.
That pick they gave up could very well end up being the top pick in the draft. PLUS Gordon and the African?????
AND Kaman??????
Would have been a better team standing pat and starting Chowncey at the point with Beldsoe coming off the bench.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
1st – Cin for CP3
2nd – NE for 2011 3rd and 4th (Barksdale and TJones)
3rd – Pryor
4th – Campbell
5th – Available
6th – Available
7th – Curry
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I expect us to do some things in free agency next year.
That being said?
FK next year.
3 games.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
YA,
Who’s one of those nasty, all out LB’s this year in college?
(I like that kid Skov from Stanford)
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I don’t see a whole lot of depth at LB in this draft. The good ones seem to be the big-name guys. Zach Brown is a prototype 4-3 WLB, looks to be a very, very solid player. I like Skov a lot but he might return to school because of the season-ending injury he suffered early in the season.
For a solid contributor on special teams/very good depth player, I like Chris Galippo from USC.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
HairyBush Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:16 am
At least there is no Jahvid Best to worry about.
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Kevin Smith looks just as good when healthy…
Gonna have our hands full
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
On the other hand there is Megatron…
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Hopefully we don’t see Huff trying to tackle him and getting dragged an extra ten-fifteen yards down field.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
HairyBush Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Nothing.
Williams a 4-3 DE.
Plug Wimbley in at DE on passing downs
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A lot of $$ for someone only playing passing downs.
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No, in other words Wimbley stays at 4-3 SLB and puts a hand down on 3rd.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
811.J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Billups starting at the 2?????
LMFAO!
Clippers gave up WAAAAYYYYYYY too much.
That pick they gave up could very well end up being the top pick in the draft. PLUS Gordon and the African?????
AND Kaman??????
Would have been a better team standing pat and starting Chowncey at the point with Beldsoe coming off the bench.
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They got the top player. Now have 2 allstars. You build with free agents after that. Not draft picks…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
YA,
Thanx for the response homie.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Denarius Moore is practicing for the 2nd consecutive day for the #Raiders @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Wimbley, Houston and Shaughnessy
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des bryant, curry, even kelly showing signs. Branch, Routt in the secondary Huff was solid last year, DVD and Chimdi showing glimpses. I think we have the talent, let’s see what we got with the right DC actually we have to see because we don’t have draft picks anyway
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No Darren McFadden, no Jacoby Ford at #Raiders practice @957thegame
1 minute ago »
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Denarius Moore is practicing for the 2nd consecutive day for the #Raiders @957thegame
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Hopefully we don’t see Huff trying to tackle him and getting dragged an extra ten-fifteen yards down field.
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I don’t want to see the old Hiram “I just got stiffarmed” Eugene move either!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
DMAC Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:19 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Denarius Moore is practicing for the 2nd consecutive day for the #Raiders @957thegame
1 minute ago
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Great news, he should go.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No Darren McFadden, no Jacoby Ford at #Raiders practice @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
HairyBush Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Hopefully we don’t see Huff trying to tackle him and getting dragged an extra ten-fifteen yards down field.
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I don’t want to see the old Hiram “I just got stiffarmed” Eugene move either!
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lol
December 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
J Hill Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:08 am
So if you want Williams, what do you do with Wimbley and Curry?
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If the Raiders got Williams:
Curry stays at WLB. He has his limitations, but you would think a good DC might say something like “Hey, so Aaron Curry can’t cover, in which case I’m not going to put him in our nickel defense covering the slot receiver”. You know, little things like that…
Wimbley is a VERY good SLB, and you can put him at DE on passing downs across from Williams. Quarterbacks, in turn, s*** themselves.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Even though Moore is back, I don;t expect him to get a ton of catches. He’ll probably get lots of attention and allow us to run against 7 in the box more often, open up stuff for screens or passes to TEs and DHB/Chaz.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Take over the twitter duties Inone
We need people like you and I
lol
December 15th, 2011 at 11:22 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Jacoby Ford out of practice for another day. He also isn’t on an adjacent fid working with a team trainer. Doesn’t bode well for Sunday.
23 seconds ago
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Well at least we got t-pain aka D. Moore.
and hopefully taiwan? makes no sense he said himself he was 85% last monday, i guess he isn’t a doctor afterall.
Deactivate Pryor, move Lonyae Miller from practice squad to roster for game. Bush is slowing down big time. we need a change of pace.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Whenever I hear Jackson’s happy talk I feel a strong sense of urgency.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:22 am
LA to TheBay Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Even though Moore is back, I don;t expect him to get a ton of catches. He’ll probably get lots of attention and allow us to run against 7 in the box more often, open up stuff for screens or passes to TEs and DHB/Chaz.
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Yeah, you may be right.
He just needs to hit the field tho.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Clippers gave up WAAAAYYYYYYY too much.
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no way did they give up to much. ppl don’t realize the clips have depth. Gordons always hurt his backup Foye looked good last year, Billups gna start at the 2. Kaman is just an expiring contract didn’t fit the Clips up and down system anyway. Aminu is a prospect but the Clips have Caron and last years starter Gomes now as a backup. The pick is a good one but you get a top 3 pg to throw it up to Blake and DJ
December 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Richard Seymour is practicing. Fellow DT John Henderson is not practicing, though.
1 minute ago
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Big Richard must be getting push back by the sled …. seemingly he deflated after first few games.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
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Michael Huff & John Henderson not practicing as well for #Raiders @957thegame
December 15th, 2011 at 11:24 am
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December 15th, 2011 at 11:21 am
Even though Moore is back, I don;t expect him to get a ton of catches. He’ll probably get lots of attention and allow us to run against 7 in the box more often, open up stuff for screens or passes to TEs and DHB/Chaz.
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I see the exact opposite. You know Carsons gonna be looking his way the whole game with what our recievers have done…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
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No issues for Denarius Moore, either. He looks more and more likely to play Sunday after missing past three games.
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Wide receivers Darrius Heyward-Bey and Chaz Schilens are practicing without any apparent limitations.
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December 15th, 2011 at 11:25 am
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Michael Huff and Chris Johnson are not on the practice field.
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All five starting offensive linemen are at full strength
December 15th, 2011 at 11:26 am
All five starting offensive linemen are at full strength
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Man…this includes Satele?? Heyer is a beast at LG!
December 15th, 2011 at 11:26 am
While Patriots coach Bill Belichick hasn’t formally announced a shift to the 4–3, media speculation has been rampant after the team acquired 4–3 specialists like Albert Haynesworth, Mark Anderson, Shaun Ellis, and Andre Carter. The Patriots debuted their 4–3 defense in week one of the 2011 season. Five of New England’s six sacks in its week one victory over the Miami Dolphins came from defensive linemen.
While many still consider the Baltimore Ravens’ defense a 3–4, it has shifted towards a 4–3 scheme since 2006 when half their games were in a 4-3 base defense. The Ravens’ primary pass-rusher, Terrell Suggs, played the majority of his snaps in 2010 as a true defensive end.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:27 am
Avril has 9 sacks this year so far.
When need to keep a close eye in this dude 2.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
to throw it up to Blake and DJ
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We saw plenty of throwing it up to those guys last year. Didn’t need to give away the farm for that. Especially after they picked up Billups.
The Clips could have got that PG with the top 3 pick.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
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Michael Bush getting stretched out on sideline. Trainer putting in double time, working on both legs.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:28 am
des bryant, curry, even kelly showing signs. Branch, Routt in the secondary Huff was solid last year, DVD and Chimdi showing glimpses. I think we have the talent, let’s see what we got with the right DC actually we have to see because we don’t have draft picks anyway
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I agree, lots of players with potential. I’d really like to see what Bryant could do at LDE, not RDE. I’ve never been a fan of Huff, but he’s at least versatile enough to play some CB, too. Good player, not a game changer. Routt and Branch are both solid enough, but not game changers either. Kelly is good at certain things, but stopping the run is not one of them. Good fit in Waufle’s scheme, not a good fit with the rest of the defense. Has never been a very disciplined player, either. Curry has plenty of limitations but can run and hit. Again, not a clear game-changer.
I understand what you’re saying, and I agree to a certain extent. But I think adding one single game-changing player, a guy whose reputation has been EARNED, a guy who is a premier player at his position and can do everything asked of him… THAT is a player who makes the players around him better. One player like that, and it makes a DC’s job a lot easier.
You’re right, there aren’t a lot of draft picks. Which is why finding a player like that needs to be done in free agency, after the Raiders have shed some deadweight salary.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:30 am
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December 15th, 2011 at 11:23 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Richard Seymour is practicing. Fellow DT John Henderson is not practicing, though.
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Big Richard must be getting push back by the sled …. seemingly he deflated after first few games.
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I think Seymour is playing banged up. He was a beast the first five games. Five sacks and 4+ tackles per through. Just one sack and less than 1 tackle per since. You may also remember he basically stopped practicing around that time and in some games was basically only playing on 3rd down. I think he’s probably play at like 70% at best right now.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Veldheer’s last month of games has been in the Kwame Harris level of play.
Tons of penalties, and terrible pass-protection.
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ever since he bested Jared Allen. interesting
struggled versus Chicago & Miami for sure, but I don’t remember any sacks surrendered or penalties from him @ GB
December 15th, 2011 at 11:32 am
The Clips could have got that PG with the top 3 pick.
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A PG as good as CP?. That’s an aggressive team right there Caron Billups CP Blake, plus clutch shooting of Billups and CP. I’m telling you if they can overcome lack of inside scoring with OKC Chicago the Heat and Boston are able to do, they’re a contender to win it all. I’m a laker fan but got love for all LA teams (angels dont’ count) but they’ll go farther than the lakes if the lakes don’t upgrade PG
December 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
KoolKell posted yesterday that Carson Palmers 49-54 record is not elite. No one is saying he is elite, just saying he is better than JC 31-39 Record.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
another explanation i found is Linemen switching to a 3-4 defense will sometimes complain about having to “think too much” and not being allowed to “just play.” 3-4 principles require linemen to read the play as it is happening and react to it. The 4-3, however, is predicated on turning linemen loose. In a 4-3, linemen each have one gap assignment; they are responsible for controlling the area between two blockers and tackling the ball carrier if he comes through their assigned gap.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Veldheer played well v.s. Green Bay. Definitely strugged against Peppers (and really, who doesn’t?) and Wake, though.
Done pretty well for a 2nd year player from Hillsdale, I think.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:36 am
You know I was thinking …. who is our best D playmaker … and I had to think very long about it.
I think Branch is our best Defender but he hasn’t had the knack for turnovers and sacks this year.
Wimbley has 2nd most QB hurries in AFC … buthe purely is a pass rusher that dissapears in other faucets of the game. Bad LB overall.
Routt had been good, but gets smoked in the redzone too often.
then it hit me……
Is Matt Giordano our best playmaking Defender? and its true, he made game clinching picks in 3 games this year.
Thats sad.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Wednesday’s practice had a different feel to it, unlike any the Raiders have had the past four or five weeks, according to coach Hue Jackson.
It’s all about the Raiders sensing what Jackson calls the “urgency and intensity” of the situation facing them with three games to play in the regular season.
“The margin for error is gone,” Jackson said. “There is no more.”
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so what was it like the past two weeks?
the Raiders should have came into the Green Bay game full of p1ss & vinegar after getting slapped by the lowly Dolphins!
instead they rolled over and took a beating, like they knew they didn’t stand a chance
December 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
I’m a laker fan but got love for all LA teams (angels dont’ count) but they’ll go farther than the lakes if the lakes don’t upgrade PG
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Could never root for the clip.
Spent decades turning a profit by getting one guy to sell jerseys and the rest a bunch of scrubs.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Right there with you Inoneword.
I like the JV team too, which is why I’m really scratching my head with that one.
Billups
Gordon
Butler
Griffin
Jordan
Kaman
Young African cat
Bledsoe
Plus you get to add the #1 pick next year?????
CP3 and Griffin will be nice though. Better than the Lakers???? Not yet.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Yeah, I think Veldheer is solid and will only get better. He’s not quite where I thought he was after the Minnesota game. I wonder if the success of that game got in his head and he was trying to live up to it against Chi and Mia instead of just playing ball.
Regardless, definitely a steal in the draft and has the potential to be our LT for the next 10 years, especially given Cork’s reports that he may be the hardest working dude on the team and is only two years removed from D-II ball and already playing at this level.
I’d like to see Bruce Campbell get a legit shot at RT now. I think he’s capable of greatness as well. How nice would it be to lock down both ends of the line with elite players under 25 years of age?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Big Richard must be getting push back by the sled …. seemingly he deflated after first few games.
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I think Hue is telling him if he wants to play his gonna practice. No more slacking off for the week.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
CP3 is a bonified superstar, most #1 draft picks won’t even get you that
December 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
The key for the Clips is going to be what type of defense they are going to be able to play. They HAVE to get out in the open court to be effective.
Billups can’t guard the 2 mayne. And Butler coming off knee surgery won’t be that effective defensively either.
Griffin and Jordan as your defensive stoppers in the paint???? We’ll see how that works out.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:41 am
847.baumraiders Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:33 am
KoolKell posted yesterday that Carson Palmers 49-54 record is not elite. No one is saying he is elite, just saying he is better than JC 31-39 Record.
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No its not….losing records are losing records
December 15th, 2011 at 11:43 am
The Clip Show has just begun.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Better than the Lakers???? Not yet.
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can’t see why the Dubs wouldn’t have wanted Odom for Ellis. They guy would instantly make the bench formidable or could actually start over Lee and have an energetic lee come off the bench. Guy has PG handles so would be perfect off the rebound pushing the ball and Ellis should be on the bench for Dubs behind Clay so he’s not gonna be happy. He’d be happier at PG for the Lakers
December 15th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Jackson expects the Raiders team that won three games in a row to show up Sunday, not the one that lost the past two games.
“It was awesome,” Jackson said of practice Wednesday. “I mean, it really was. It probably was different than it’s been in the last four or five weeks because, again, these guys understand. I know this football team and I know where their head is, and they understand what we need to do, and we’ll come play, and we’ll play the way we’re supposed to play.”
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Again – i’m not buying this crap. Do you guys really think Hue didn’t stress urgency & intensity the past few weeks when we were alone in 1st or tied for it?
he got complacent as a rookie HC for a team that hasn’t made the playoffs in 8 years and has a boatload of injured players? I don’t think so.
His job is to make sure this team is prepared & hungry to play football games. ready to execute the gameplan
that clearly didn’t happen on gamedays. you practice how you play, is what i’m told. So were these guys lazy or lagging in practice? what is different this week from the previous two?
something is wrong and I can’t put my finger on it.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:45 am
so what was it like the past two weeks?
the Raiders should have came into the Green Bay game full of p1ss & vinegar after getting slapped by the lowly Dolphins!
instead they rolled over and took a beating, like they knew they didn’t stand a chance
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5th play of the game INT. 6th play of the game penalty. 7th play of the game 50 yard TD run…. that is deflating man. It is hard no to sit back and say here we go again no matter how motivated you are. That stuff happens in all sports bro.
Lets be honest, at our best, we would have lost to the Pack last Sunday. 47-16 L carries the same weight as 20-19L… doesnt matter and Loss is a Loss. We aren’t an elite team. No one else in the NFL has figured out how to beat the Pack, and only 2 teams have even made a game of it.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
@method
No its not….losing records are losing records
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True … and both played for laughable franchises in bengals and skins and then both came to terrible franchise over last decade in raiders ….
no way either of them could have a better record to be honest.
Cambell arm-wrestled bruce gradkowski for a starting gig (not saying a lot) and palmer came off the couch to a depleted offense injury bit, mid-season learning offense as he goes.
depressing.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Ok, let’s put it this way …
Are CP3 and Blake Griffin going to be more productive than Deron Williams and Boozer were?
Williams is a superstar and Boozer was a better all around offensive player AND rebounder than Griffin is.
They had a HOF coach and better talent surrounding those guys than the Clips have surrounding CP3 and Griffin.
Clips are now a playoff team. That is all.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Where did Khardashian go?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:47 am
clips dumb getting rid of EJ…Dumb move…
david stern is a chump.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
David Stern is a chump…so is Cuban for that matter…but oh well…what? Next week starts the season?
December 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
billups at the 2….ROFLMAO….
billups cannot defend any 2 in the NBA…
I doubt he can defend a college 2…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Where did Khardashian go?
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dallas
December 15th, 2011 at 11:49 am
Stern got the Hornets a HELLUVA haul for CP3.
MUCH better than what the Hornets were going to get intially.
He lucked up and saved face.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
anyway fck the clips and the lakes…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Raiderinparadise Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
@method
No its not….losing records are losing records
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True … and both played for laughable franchises in bengals and skins and then both came to terrible franchise over last decade in raiders ….
no way either of them could have a better record to be honest.
Cambell arm-wrestled bruce gradkowski for a starting gig (not saying a lot) and palmer came off the couch to a depleted offense injury bit, mid-season learning offense as he goes.
depressing.
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The Bengals made the playoffs thanks to CP, The Redskins went to the playoffs because JC got injured and Todd fckn Collins took them .
December 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
I’d like to see Bruce Campbell get a legit shot at RT now. I think he’s capable of greatness as well. How nice would it be to lock down both ends of the line with elite players under 25 years of age?
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Has BCamp even been activated for a regular season game since we drafted him?
doesn’t look good for him imo. may be a camp casualty this upcoming offseason since the Al Davis scholarship program has term’d
December 15th, 2011 at 11:50 am
that clearly didn’t happen on gamedays. you practice how you play, is what i’m told. So were these guys lazy or lagging in practice? what is different this week from the previous two?
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Everyone is so critical of Hue Jackson’s press conference’s. Please, tell me, in your infinite head coaching experience, exactly what you would RATHER this guy being saying?
Hue Jackson is a church going man, and has a pretty positive outlook on things, no matter the circumstances. He doesn’t come out and mope and whine when things don’t go our way. He stays positive. He talks up his team. You guys read WAY To much into what he is saying in these pressers (when he is being asked the same questions over and over again mind you).
This isn’t just directed at you Rock, its directed at everyone who complains about the stupid press conferences. No one has every one anything in the NFL based on the strength of the freakin mid week press conference.
December 15th, 2011 at 11:51 am
I wish David Stern ran the NFL lol
No, no, no Al Davis … we can;t let you draft JaMarcus Russell #1 overall, you don’t want Brady Quinn either. Those will set you back years of more laughs.
You guys should take Calvin Johsnon, Patrick Willis or Darelle Revis … trust me.
hahhaaahhahahahaha
December 15th, 2011 at 11:51 am
doesn’t look good for him imo. may be a camp casualty this upcoming offseason since the Al Davis scholarship program has term’d
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I Don’t know Bruh, if you listen to Coach Jackson he was set back due to the injury….
Coach said he would be in the league a long time…
December 15th, 2011 at 11:52 am
gosh xmas office party tonite…..not interested in going…would rather watch lil cousin play on tv at 4th street bar and grill in SF….ugh and worse my bz wanna go with me to it…fk me! Some female coworkers gonna hate and mention im going to Vegas…doubtihng i should go…but free food and drank? Hard to say no
December 15th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Has BCamp even been activated for a regular season game since we drafted him?
doesn’t look good for him imo. may be a camp casualty this upcoming offseason since the Al Davis scholarship program has term’d
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Yeah actually he was getting some reps early in the year in the ‘elephant’ package at the goalline. I remember him cleaning someones clock at Buffalo. I was shocked to see it was BCamp
December 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Gosh? Theres a word I would never in a million years imagine seeing B use… LOL
December 15th, 2011 at 11:55 am
863.raiderinparadise Says:
December 15th, 2011 at 11:46 am
@method
No its not….losing records are losing records
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True … and both played for laughable franchises in bengals and skins and then both came to terrible franchise over last decade in raiders ….
no way either of them could have a better record to be honest.
Cambell arm-wrestled bruce gradkowski for a starting gig (not saying a lot) and palmer came off the couch to a depleted offense injury bit, mid-season learning offense as he goes.
depressing.
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agreed
December 15th, 2011 at 11:58 am
“gosh xmas office party tonite….”
I hate those things its like haven’t I seen your faces enough during the week, now I have to look at you turds at a evening party too!
December 15th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Lets be honest, at our best, we would have lost to the Pack last Sunday. 47-16 L carries the same weight as 20-19L… doesnt matter and Loss is a Loss. We aren’t an elite team. No one else in the NFL has figured out how to beat the Pack, and only 2 teams have even made a game of it.
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BCZ, I agree with you
unfortunately- I question this team’s mental state
the Raiders are in a downward spiral right now, playing self destructive football. I don’t think we could have beat the Colts on Sunday with 5 turnovers, penalties galore and an inability to stuff the run
December 15th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
new post~
December 16th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
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December 15th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
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December 18th, 2011 at 10:37 am
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