Expert’s take on McFadden’s injury, coach Jackson’s explanation
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, December 14th, 2011 at 12:36 am in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders running back Darren McFadden has been out of action since he suffered a midfoot sprain Oct. 23. Fifty one days later, we’re nowhere closer to knowing the true severity of the injury or when he might return.
On Sunday, coach Hue Jackson first used the dreaded term Lisfranc injury when asked if McFadden’s injury is more severe than originally disclosed.
On Monday, Jackson said people can call it a midfoot sprain or a Lisfranc injury. Either way, he views it in the same light, he said, and that McFadden does not need surgery.
Rather than speculate, let’s call in ESPN injury analyst Stephania Bell for her take. If you don’t know of Ms. Bell or read her regular columns, you should make a point of doing so. She provides a detailed account of what injuries mean, what the standard procedure is for each injury and how long a player should miss, on average.
Here’s what Bell had to say Tuesday about McFadden’s injury:
“Things still don’t look good. The poor outlook noted at the start of last week has become grimmer as another week has passed with no obvious signs of progress from McFadden. If anything, there is less clarity about McFadden’s injury than ever. On Sunday, CBS analyst Phil Simms commented that McFadden was dealing with a Lisfranc injury. Steve Corkran of the Contra Costa Times best captures the semantics issue around the term “Lisfranc” and coach Hue Jackson’s response as it relates to McFadden in his Monday post on the topic.
In an attempt to interpret the cause of the confusion, it should be noted that the term Lisfranc is an anatomical description of a region of the foot, specifically a complex joint comprising the bones and ligaments that connect the midfoot to the forefoot. An injury in this area could technically be called a midfoot sprain or a Lisfranc injury, and both would be correct. Injuries range from minor ligament tearing involving a single joint to multijoint severe injuries including fracture and dislocation. The latter type require surgery to fix; the former do not.
As Lisfranc injuries have become more common in the NFL and have led to season-ending surgeries for some (Ronnie Brown, Dwight Freeney and most recently Matt Schaub), when the term is used, the implication is that the athlete has suffered the most severe, season-ending variety. That degree of injury does not always result. Since the Raiders insist McFadden does not need surgery, it would appear that his injury is of the less severe type and that, perhaps, is why the term “Lisfranc” was avoided. For any injury to the midfoot, it is important that full healing occur in order to restore normal gait and prevent future problems, which can render the recovery process slow. In McFadden’s case, his recovery appears to be taking longer than the Raiders initially projected it would, adding to the frustration of all looking from the outside in. At this point, despite Jackson’s statement that he expects McFadden to return, it’s hard to imagine a full-strength McFadden resurfacing within the next three weeks.”
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December 14th, 2011 at 12:37 am
It really is super lonely at the top. Being #1 is mighty lonely. It is not all it is cracked up to be. It is what it is. But for now, I’ll just be #1 and have to deal with it. Raiders are Numero Uno in my book.
December 14th, 2011 at 12:50 am
Get well,DMac,see ya next year!TJones,heres youre chance,show the Raider Nation what you bring,and please secure the ball at all times,Bush needs youre help,period.
December 14th, 2011 at 1:29 am
All the crying for DMC to grow a pair and play already are proven to be incorrect once again. DMC hurts a foot again, or makes one worse than it already is, and he’ll probably miss training camp next Fall.
Don’t start any player with a moderate foot injury or worse, until that player has reached at least 90% full health. Residual soreness is one thing, but continued injury would be devastating…not just now, but for the long-term.
If the Raiders make the Playoffs, the prospect of having DMC on the field is huge. A fresh and healthy DMC gives us RB weapons every other Playoff team would drool over.
Playoffs or bust…but keep DMC on the sideline until he’s really ready.
December 14th, 2011 at 1:31 am
Thanks for all the hard work Steve!
December 14th, 2011 at 1:37 am
Yes…thank you Cork and Jerry McD!
December 14th, 2011 at 1:38 am
Outta here.
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
December 14th, 2011 at 1:40 am
Damn Steve! And nation, nothing better to do at 1 am?! haha!
December 14th, 2011 at 1:43 am
I would add for clarification….
Nonoperative Treatment
If the clinical evaluation indicates the probability of a mild or moderate sprain and the radiograph shows no diastasis, immobilization is suggested. Treatment with a short-leg walking cast, a removable short-leg orthotic or a non–weight-bearing cast is continued for four to six weeks or until symptoms have resolved. The potential for disability following a Lisfranc joint injury justifies the use of a non–weight-bearing cast.
After the period of immobilization, ambulation and rehabilitation exercises should be progressive. If the symptoms persist up to two weeks after rehabilitation has begun, a repeat weight-bearing radiograph must be obtained to evaluate the joint articulation for instability and evidence of delayed separation (i.e., disarticulation worsened after weight-bearing).
Nonoperative vs. Operative Treatment
The treatment of Lisfranc joint complex fracture–dislocations remains controversial. Some investigators believe that nonoperative management of fractures and fracture-dislocations is ineffective, because the reduction and alignment that occur with casting are lost when soft tissue swelling decreases.
According to most investigators, a displacement of more than 2 mm requires open reduction and internal fixation to avoid a poor outcome, especially in athletes. Others report no correlation between the degree of diastasis and the eventual functional outcome. All studies indicate that timely diagnosis facilitates treatment and decreases long-term disability.
Knowing the medical staff employed by the Raiders it would be fairly safe to assume that McFadden had no displacement or fracturing…If displacement had occurred surgery would have been performed, immediately….Lisfranc screws would have been placed across the Lisfranc joint and his season would have been over within days if not hours of the KC game….
December 14th, 2011 at 1:44 am
There has to be someone enamored of DMAC’s impact; someone who has suffered @ the hands of DMAC & knows first hand what effect DMAC mas on gameplanning.
It would have to be someone willing to roll the dice on a second & a conditional (potential first rounder) first rounder, second @ the most.
Now;who is pig headed enough to lobby for such a deal? Sexy Rexy? Could jerry Jones take a flier on DMAC? Sean Payton probably has a two inch binder full of plays for DMAC. Detroit needs a replacement for Jhavid (regrettably. If he could loose his penchant for landing on his head! It’s not THAT big!) Best.
How ’bout a trade straight up for Shadie McCoy?
Seems only playoff caliber teams would take the risk. which the Raiders haven’t managed to quite become.
Better luck next year (go ahead. Prove me wrong. I just keep thinking of 1995 when Hostetler got hurt. Didn’t win a game after New York). At least they have the track team! Hope Rod Woodson, Steve Wiesniewski & Greg Biekert are retained as defensive coaches. . .
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December 14th, 2011 at 1:47 am
That’s a good point. In what situations do we put our health first or just tough it out? Do you want the guy to mess his foot up for the rest of his career? For his life?
Concussions are a big one, just look at Ali. But ligaments and muscles, who knows?
When I was a teen I played baseball. Sprained my shoulder really bad and said to not use it for 3 weeks. Well, it felt better by the end of the week, and although I told the coach who likely thought I was being a wimp, told me to catch the ball for him. Then he made me throw to 2nd base and man….that was it. Never felt so much pain before. Still don’t have the same range of motion since then. Sucks.
December 14th, 2011 at 2:47 am
My bigger question is “where is Taiwan Jones”? I knew DMC would not be back, but we do need another “breakaway” threat who can take the ball to the outside.
December 14th, 2011 at 3:36 am
Thanks for the update Mr. Cork. Good looking out. Get Well Soon DMAC. My prayers are sent to you.
December 14th, 2011 at 4:34 am
Just Beat Detroit…..
December 14th, 2011 at 4:37 am
Just want to say, I’ve read the entire previous article’s comments from my last post (around #200) onwards thru to the end, and I gotta applaud EVERYONE for a magnificent debate across many different topics. Both sides of the debates really put in a ton of great thoughts.
It’s hard to name names when there are so many who posted so many great posts that were highly enjoyable to read. But I will give a big prop to YoungAmerican and SilverNBlackPA. Awesome contributions by the both of you. Really loving your work. SnBPA also gets a huge cookie for bringing up the Peter Principle! But also have to correct him on something….Ronnie Lott did not cut off his finger during a game and re-enter. That is a myth. He had his finger cut off during the off-season before the next season started.
So many names I wanted to praise, like Hwndr, etc etc. But basically, all who posted a big round of applause.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:29 am
Raiders 28….. Detroit 23……
Our Seasons on the line…..
Defense must step up…. Take care of the rock…
December 14th, 2011 at 5:52 am
Btw, it was mentioned previous blog comments that Kyle Boller is an Al hire. I wonder tho. Imo, that’s Al hiring Boller because Jackson worked with him in Baltimore. Like Al asking Hue who he wants and him suggesting Boller, just like him signing TJ and CP.
December 14th, 2011 at 5:54 am
As for a prediction…
If the Raiders come to play: Raiders 27-20
If the trend continues: Lions 41-13
December 14th, 2011 at 6:11 am
Lets face it,we not gonna have dmac for the immediate furture,however we do need at least 2 of our game breakers back. Moore,Ford and or Jones. We are not having success with Bush now Because teams are not afraid and are stacking the line with there safeties. It would be good 2 get at least 2 of the gamebreakers back because that is how this offense is designed, around speed, it is not west-coast stuff, where you can run it without breakaway speed. I feel in order to beat the lions and have a chance at the division, we must have at least 2 of these guys back, and bresnahans got to devise better games plans.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:33 am
Isn’t there a more protective kind of footwear for DMC? Is he playing barefoot? even if it slowed him a fraction of a second? Thats better than losing him for long periods
December 14th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Anyone think that Dmac will miss the first game of next season?
Why don’t they just come out and say it’s a broken bone and be done with it? The sky isn’t going to come crashing down if I say………….METATARSAL!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 6:38 am
Hue said all along it was a high ankle sprain, but after Simm’s revealing it was a Lisfranc injury, Hue says, “foot sprain”, and carries on like he always said foot sprain.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:42 am
Still here.
With reference to what Utahraiderfan said.The factory I work at sometimes has rolls of bubble wrap that’s so big you can’t get your arms around.Maybe we could wrap his feet in that.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:44 am
Hue NEVER said it was a high ankle sprain. It was ALWAYS listed as a mid-foot sprain. They didn’t call it a Lisfranc because when you hear Lisfranc you automatically think surgery. DMAC’s sprain wasn’t severe enough to require surgery, and they obviously thought they would have him back sooner. Remember two weeks ago he was spotted on the practice field with trainers, but he hasn’t been seen since, which tells me when he came out of the boot and put weight on it it got inflammed again.
Dmac is done for the year, at this point they should IR him and bring in ANY RB that can lighten the load for Bush. They SHOULD bring in Clinton Portis, not necessarily to carry the rock, but Portis is an EXCELLENT pass protector, something Bush is not.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:47 am
If it’s a no for the bubble wrap – I can get him some heavy duty steel toe-capped boots.That’ll work.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:49 am
That’s the point I’m trying to make Bcz24.He’s never going to come back now.IR him and get someone in that’ll help the team.
December 14th, 2011 at 6:57 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Neil, Bcz, GG…what’s up fellas?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Morning Hwnrdr!
Been reading TMQ on espn.com.Mentions the fact that the Raiders have the 2nd worst record in December.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Coffee’s on me Raider Nation.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:03 am
……..over the last 10 years!
Cheers Exla….milk,no sugar.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:04 am
27.neilb Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:01 am
Morning Hwnrdr!
Been reading TMQ on espn.com.Mentions the fact that the Raiders have the 2nd worst record in December.
I believe…I hope that all changes now! Win the next 2 and we’ll be even!
Exla…Mahalo for the coffee!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:08 am
yo
December 14th, 2011 at 7:09 am
Thank you for explaining that, now why couldn’t they break this news to us weeks ago?!
Here i was calling the poor b@st@rd a puss.
My apologies DMAC!
I know they may have been hopefull, but is it too late to sign a RB?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:10 am
do we have to read about DMAC before every Raider game?
seriously, if your entire football team and W/L record depends on the health of one (non QB) oft-injured player … your team sucks
period!
no excuses. the Raiders are losgin games that they should win and getting blown out in games they should be competitive in (with or without Darren McFadden)
99% of Raider Nation said that Mike Bush was a starter quality RB that must be re-signed. the announcers said that about him too, prior to the Raider/Packer game
so why cry about McFadden being gone for half the season unless Bush is also out and you don’t have a starter quality runner?
Same thing with Jason Campbell’s injury. Carson Palmer is seen by about 99% of the league and Raider fans as an upgrade. He knows the offense now. He knows Hue Jackson. no excuses
Sparano lost Henne for the season. Haley lost Cassel for the season. those guys got fired. Jackson has to win football games, with or without JCamp
December 14th, 2011 at 7:11 am
I SMELL COFFEE.THX EXLA.THIS TEAMS MENTAL STATE HAS TO BE IN ? RIGHT NOW.HAD A GOOD CHANCE 2 WIN DIVISION AND GO INTO PLAYOFFS JUST 2 WEEKS AGO.AFTER 2 BLOWOUT LOSES, U R ON OUTSIDE LOOKING IN..WILL SHOW A LOT ABOUT TEAM AND COACHING STAFF THIS WEEK.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:13 am
Dmac is done for the year, at this point they should IR him and bring in ANY RB that can lighten the load for Bush. They SHOULD bring in Clinton Portis, not necessarily to carry the rock, but Portis is an EXCELLENT pass protector, something Bush is not
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BCZ,
Hue thinks he’s saving Campbell & McFadden for the playoffs
If he can’t get this team motivated & prepared to play football games and execute the gameplan?
Those guys are just wasting roster spots, like Javon Walker & Nick Miller in years past
December 14th, 2011 at 7:14 am
back 2 work.
btw, good morning AM crew!
miss u guys
December 14th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Definitely need to get T Jones back in the mix. I don’t think they’ll IR McFadden in hopes he may be a go come playoff time if we can get there.
I think we need at least 2 of the 4 (Ford, Moore, Jones, DMC) back this week to beat the Lions.
These games are all critical, obviously, at this point. But I think the Lions game is the most critical. First off, I think it’s the toughest opponent. Second, it would be a major psychological boost to bounce back after the past two debacles with a win against a good team. On top of that, if Denver loses to NE and we are back tied for the division lead with two games to go it would be an even bigger boost. Always fear a team that has risen from the dead, whether in an individual game or in a season.
Lastly, if Balt knocks off an SD team that looks good all of a sudden their season, combined with a Denver L and Raiders W, there season is hanging on by a fingernail. They would need to win out at that point (against Det & Oak), have the Raiders lose to KC and have Denver lose to both Buff and KC.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Miami, Denver, Chicago, and NE (did Buffalo do it too?) all had one thing in common that all of those teams used against Raiders; it’s that 10 yd. slant crossing over the middle pass to a WR who runs it in for a TD. Same exact play all those teams used to score on us. It’s the one Tebow threw to Erik Decker.
Question I have is who’s responsibility is that to stop?
December 14th, 2011 at 7:40 am
If JC were healthy and ready to go, who would u rather have start this Sunday? Palmer or JC?
Right now, i’d trust JC more to win that game.
Those int’s will kill the Raiders.
December 14th, 2011 at 7:41 am
RaiderRockstar’s post #33 should be mandatory viewing for all Raider fans. Heck, all 3 of his most recent posts.
There is no excuse for this BS. These guys are not prepared. On defense, money guys just coasting.
If you compare the focus, confidence and toughness the broncos and jets are playing compared to the raiders right now, you should be p’ssed off!
Hue needs to step this shhhhhh up!
No more blowouts!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:47 am
I was looking at S. Routts Facebook page and he’s pushing hard for votes to the Pro Bowl.
A fan wrote: “He won’t make it because Chuck Bresnahan is an idiot who doesn’t know how to run a D”
Stanford gave that fan a thumbs up saying he liked it. LOL!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:48 am
GOOD DAY SNB.ANOTHER THING THAT BURNS ME IS PLAYERS CELEBRATING A SACK OR HARD TACKLE ON DEFENSE AND/OR A RECIEVER CELEBRATING A CATCH WHEN YOUR TEAM IS DOWN BY MULTIPLE TOUCHDOWNS..
December 14th, 2011 at 7:53 am
check
December 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am
Back.
Site’s messing me around again.
Soooo…………have a good one today!
December 14th, 2011 at 7:55 am
BCZ,
Hue thinks he’s saving Campbell & McFadden for the playoffs
If he can’t get this team motivated & prepared to play football games and execute the gameplan?
Those guys are just wasting roster spots, like Javon Walker & Nick Miller in years past
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I think Hue and the trainers truly believed Dmac would be back weeks ago. I sincerely doubt when he was injured in week 7 that Hue was told that DMac would be out 8 weeks or longer, but if he was lucky he MIGHT get him back for the playoffs. Dmacs slow healing process, combined with a probable set back when he tried working out the Monday before the Miami game have shelved DMacs chances.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:01 am
I agree with Hue to an extent. He says the stupid penalties have to fixed and the guys are playing hard on the D. I don’t think they’re mentally prepared. Blown coverages, jumping offsides, and personal fouls are unacceptable and you can’t win by doing those things. We have been gradually worse by shooting ourselves in the foot.
I’m not so sure he can fix these issues at this point, it’s up to the players on the field. Also Chuckie is not putting these guys in position to succeed, but mental errors are on the player. Maybe Hue needs take some players out to get their head on straight.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Raiders will win out and Denver will collapse.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Shouldn’t Routt be more concerned with winning games then pushing for personal accolades like the Pro Bowl?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:04 am
For a team built on speed and then lose all of our speed guys on offense (along with JC), along with Chuck B’s WTF defense have hindered this team from possibly being 10-3, maybe even 11-2 right now. Also the fact that wtf was Hue thinking leaving only Boller on the roster to back up Campbell???
The last 3 are important starting with the Lions at home. We need to protect the home front!
December 14th, 2011 at 8:04 am
THANKS GERARD.POST-48
December 14th, 2011 at 8:05 am
Chronically injured players need to go. Just like Zach Miller. Doesn’t matter how good they are if they’re not there for half the season after you designed your offense around them.
A lot of those interceptions Palmer made were bad decisions a veteran shouldn’t be making.
We need a reliable amzing qb and a new DC.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:07 am
Gerard Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Shouldn’t Routt be more concerned with winning games then pushing for personal accolades like the Pro Bowl?
Weasel:
WR’s and DB’s are of the same mold, for the most part. All about themself. Not the team.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Thx, Dirt lot.
I agree with your post on the celebrations.
It’s embarrassing to see that stuff.
How about Bryan McCann getting up and spinning the ball after a 5 yard punt return when you’re down by 40 pts.?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:09 am
Terrel Pryor. What have we got to lose? Offense is attrocious.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:10 am
Fkn bummer.
Bo Jackson all over again.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Agreed! If Pryor IS our future…let’s put him in and see what he got! The past two blowout games couldn’t have hurt having him in there…
December 14th, 2011 at 8:11 am
The old Raiders would score a TD and act like it was business as usual.
I can understand WR’s celebrating a TD if it’s to piiss off the opposing teams DB’s to take them out of their game.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am
i’m convinced Dmac is done for the year…another season of what ifs…
December 14th, 2011 at 8:12 am
My bad fellas, that wasn’t Routtes official FB page. It’s a S&B fan page, someone is pushing for him. I should have corrected that earlier.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:13 am
Weasel we are trying to win a division and at the very least grab a wild card spot. Now is not the time to throw Pryor in there. How FK’ng stupid are you ?
Go sit in the corner and think about your actions.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:14 am
Are we still laughing at Seattle (Cable, Miller, Gallery)?
…or are they laughing at US now?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:15 am
Miami, Denver, Chicago, and NE (did Buffalo do it too?) all had one thing in common that all of those teams used against Raiders; it’s that 10 yd. slant crossing over the middle pass to a WR who runs it in for a TD. Same exact play all those teams used to score on us. It’s the one Tebow threw to Erik Decker.
Question I have is who’s responsibility is that to stop?
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It depends on what defense we are in…man or zone..but the reason they are always so successful is that our LB’s are usually a day and a half late and get no depth to disrupt that play.
If you watch Briggs and Urlacher play, those dudes recognize the play, get the proper depth, and help out the DB’s from underneath…Ours stand flat footed and wait for the ball to be thrown over their heads in front of the DB’s they are supposed to be helping..Of course, when our DB’s play 32 yards off their man, that doesn’t help either..so it is a combination of the two, but IMO, the LB’s need to provide a smaller window.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:18 am
57.weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:11 am
The old Raiders would score a TD and act like it was business as usual.
I can understand WR’s celebrating a TD if it’s to piiss off the opposing teams DB’s to take them out of their game.
That is why in the Miami game, I actually applauded TJ because after that TD catch, he just walked back to the sideline and had that look like, what? We’re still down by forever…
December 14th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Sparano lost Henne for the season. Haley lost Cassel for the season. those guys got fired. Jackson has to win football games, with or without JCamp
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Haley lost to the AFC East 143-23 (combined score in 4 games)this year. The chiefs this year have lost games by 34, 45, 28, 31, 27 points (also lost by 3, 7, and 4). Even last year when they were 10-6 they lost 3 of those 6 games by 20, 31, 21 points, plus the 23 point loss in the playoffs. Haley also caused Weis to leave before completing the season.
Sparano was fired but it was really more of the Dolphins cutting the guy a break. Their season has been over, and everyone in the world KNEW Sparano was not going to be retained after the year. Hell his Owner PUBLICLY pursued more than one coach in the offseason BEFORE this season. With nothing to play for, Sparano is now free to enjoy the holidays with his family, without the stress of an NFL HC gig to worry about. It was a mercy killing so to speak.
Just wanted to point out some things about those 2 guys to show that neither are a fair comparison. We are 3-4 since losing Campbell and Mcfadden, and we have no where NEAR the calibur of defense of EITHER of those teams. If we had the KC or Miami defense I would argue that we would be 5-2, without JC and DMAC, and probably 10-3 on the year.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:26 am
is anyone going to spend money on J. Campbell in the off season? It seems to me that if the QB play stays at this level, Palmer and Campbell should compete for the job next season. Money talks though. Palmer 4yr contract & Campbell’s contract will expire.
I see that Hue Jack City is continuing the vague, deceptive approach to informing the public on Raider personnel issues. Actions speak louder and the Raiders arent making a sound on the field
December 14th, 2011 at 8:27 am
Thanks Mike for the x’s and o’s on that.
Is this another indictment on McClain? Bresnahan? or both?
Imo McClain is a liability. As painful as it is to watch, I do actually watch tape after the games and i’ve been looking at McClain and what he’s doing.
I see a guy who occasionally does the right thing, but waaaaaaay too often is a total non factor.
When you have a non-factor at MLB you are in deep trouble.
Tossing aroung small rb’s every once in while doesn’t cut it in the long run.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:28 am
Really doesn’t matter what the offense does when the defense is Swiss cheese.
Offense is adequate. Except that they need a leader. Palmer looks weary.
Defense should be number one priority in off season. Can’t have a bully unless teams fear your defense.
Teams also need to fear your QB. Denver’s defense keeps them in the game. If there’s a minute left and Tebow’s got the ball defenses are shaking. It’s in their heads. Big running QB’s always do this. Bradshaw, Elway. Tebow may be a nutbag but if he stays uninjured, he’ll change the league. Ditka said it best when he said that if he was coaching against Tebow he’d make sure he gets hit every play.
Pryor is a runner. This is the future of the NFL. And when running QB’s slide, it just frustrates the defense ’cause they don’t get to lay a hit down. You just have to make sure that the brain of your offense stays uninjured. So slide. And have a backup who’s also a runner so your offense doesn’t change if you have to plug No 2 in.
If we lose one more game Pryor should go in. Why not/ Jackson doesn’t have to worry about being fired by Al’s ghost.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:28 am
56.hwnrdr Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:11 am
Agreed! If Pryor IS our future…let’s put him in and see what he got! The past two blowout games couldn’t have hurt having him in there…
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Our season isn’t over. Putting Pryor in there would be pointless, unless you are talking about a package of plays, just to change things up. But to put him out there (especially against the best team in the NFL) with Ford and Moore out, Schillens and DHB out of the game (neither finished) Murphy and TJ being shadows of themselves and little help from the running game would be like sending a Marine into the heart of Afghanastan or Iraq with nothing but a pair of American flag boxer shorts and a stick of gum.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
For a team built on speed …
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Hwnrdr:
oddly enough, the guys who lack “Raider speed” (McClain, Housh, etc) are the guys who aren’t producing!
add Bush & Sheppard to the list if you wish.
If Hue Jackson stays around and the Al Davis legacy lives on, we should draft the fastest corner on the board over 6 ft tall in Round #1 and plug the other holes in FA
December 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
When has Hue ever been deceptive?
You guys may not like his moves, but he’s been upfront about everything.
Why did you get Carson?
Because Jason went down and I wanted a franchise QB I was familiar with.
Why did you get TJ?
Because I wanted him in the offseason — Al wanted Hagan — and I’m familiar with him.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
wish some players would just give their best shot and get health matters taken care of in off season. guess not many players of that ilk anymore.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am
mistabrown:
You actually think that what we’ve seen out there the last 4 weeks has a chance of making the playoffs?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am
add Bush & Sheppard to the list if you wish.
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Bush is being set up to fail, and I would argue that Lito Sheppard is performing no worse than Routt is. You cant hold last week up as a measuring stick for the secondary, as Rodgers torches EVERY secondary, and makes them ALL look bad. Really if you want to look at it, our secondary stood up BETTER to Rodgers than any other has this season.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:37 am
72.weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:35 am
mistabrown:
You actually think that what we’ve seen out there the last 4 weeks has a chance of making the playoffs?
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Did I miss something? Did I sleep through two losses that I am not aware of?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Our season isn’t over. Putting Pryor in there would be pointless
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Unsure – you guys know I’m a HUGE Pryor supporter that said he shouldn’t play at all this season. Let him learn the ropes from a pro like Palmer and/or Campbell. This will be his team in 2013 and he’ll be our franchise QB for the next 10+ years.
However, if this team wants to win now and Hue Jackson fears for his job and doesn’t trust Palmer? the smart money says give your team a “spark” by inserting Pryor, who can run for first downs and complete those dumps, check downs, screens & short crosses that JC did last year. If he doesn’t turn the ball over, he doesn’t put our team in a position to fail.
I like Carson Palmer, though. I’m torn. I’m not giving up on him yet. I don’t think Hue is either
December 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
69.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:30 am
For a team built on speed …
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Hwnrdr:
oddly enough, the guys who lack “Raider speed” (McClain, Housh, etc) are the guys who aren’t producing!
add Bush & Sheppard to the list if you wish.
If Hue Jackson stays around and the Al Davis legacy lives on, we should draft the fastest corner on the board over 6 ft tall in Round #1 and plug the other holes in FA
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RR- I hate to say ot but I think we need another RB as well. Cartwright out! Stand up guy but we need a better all aorund back and TJ and DMAC are due to be hurt every year. I give TJ one more year to show what he has got. We can get RBs on discount right now in the league, many to choose from. Bush gets to beat up to make it the whole season. Man we have some of th emost talented injury prone backs in the league. D@mn!
December 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Not time to put Pryor in yet.
One more loss and it might be.
Denver’s playing pretty good. One more loss and it’s not whether we win the rest of our games unless Denver starts losing.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Neither of those guys are in their rookie year. At least make a valid comparison.
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bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Sparano lost Henne for the season. Haley lost Cassel for the season. those guys got fired. Jackson has to win football games, with or without JCamp
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Haley lost to the AFC East 143-23 (combined score in 4 games)this year. The chiefs this year have lost games by 34, 45, 28, 31, 27 points (also lost by 3, 7, and 4). Even last year when they were 10-6 they lost 3 of those 6 games by 20, 31, 21 points, plus the 23 point loss in the playoffs. Haley also caused Weis to leave before completing the season.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am
73.bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:36 am
add Bush & Sheppard to the list if you wish.
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Bush is being set up to fail, and I would argue that Lito Sheppard is performing no worse than Routt is. You cant hold last week up as a measuring stick for the secondary, as Rodgers torches EVERY secondary, and makes them ALL look bad. Really if you want to look at it, our secondary stood up BETTER to Rodgers than any other has this season.
I’m not into moral victories, but we are the first team to hold Rodgers under a 100 passer rating. Well, if he played the whole game, it may have been way different…
And the post about Pryor…if we’re getting blown out and Palmer is just throwing picks to make matters worse, that is when I said to put him in there. In the 4th, I didn’t see any chance of a comeback…now in these last 3…no, don’t put him in, but Palmer needs to play smart!
December 14th, 2011 at 8:45 am
I see you changed your mind.
lol
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weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Not time to put Pryor in yet.
One more loss and it might be.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:48 am
I like Carson Palmer, though. I’m torn. I’m not giving up on him yet. I don’t think Hue is either
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In my opinion Palmer has to be given a pass at least a LITTLE on the INT’s, he has had a CONSTANT rotation of WR’s, not really being able to gel with any of them, his receivers don’t fight for the ball, the running game has disappeared, and he is pressing and forcing things, as often happens in a losing streak. Its like quicksand, the more you fight the deeper you sink. We also can’t just take the game out of his hands, because teams no longer have to respect the passing game with our receivers all out, or injured and playing, and they are free to eliminate the run game and force us to beat them through the air.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Dang we got some pessimists here. I still think Dmac will be back for the SD game. I hope at least Ford can play this week and TJ also.
I was one of the ones calling for Hue’s head ASAP on sunday, but in retrospect, I cannot be too upset after not having Dmac, Moore, Ford, TJ, JC & Shonasty at his disposal to work with. He will be back next year, playoffs or not, with a reputable GM.
I am still definitely calling for Chuck’s head ASAP. No excuses there. Totally a liability out there. He still cannot figure out how to defend that slant across the middle teams keep burning him on.
If Ford & TJ are back, we beat the Lions easily. Book it.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:53 am
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:44 am
Neither of those guys are in their rookie year. At least make a valid comparison.
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Exactly what I was saying all day yesterday. Hue Jackson as a ROOKIE HC is doing an AMAZING job. Look at the Texans last year, they finished 6-10 with their offense at full strength for the whole season! They have Arian Foster who is AT LEAST as good as DMAC, Andre Johnson, Schaub a MUCH better Oline than ours. 6-10. Our defense is arguably MUCH WORSE than theirs was last year and at the very worst we will finish 7-9, and that was Kubiaks FIFTH season…
It baffles me that there are people that still think Hue should be canned. How that could even cross anyones mind is absurd.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:54 am
Only way for Raiders to win with their mediocre defense is to have an amped-up offense. They were winning till JC got hurt. Then Dmac hurt.
If Palmer has a great game Raiders win and keep winning.
Maybe Belichek designs a blueprint for thwarting Tebow then other teams will copy it and it’s over for Denver?
December 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
You cant hold last week up as a measuring stick for the secondary, as Rodgers torches EVERY secondary, and makes them ALL look bad. Really if you want to look at it, our secondary stood up BETTER to Rodgers than any other has this season
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I knew that Rodgers wouldn’t beat us with his arm, but maybe with his legs – and I predicted STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME against Green Bay followed by some requests by the offense to avoid costly turnovers because that is what cost Eli Manning a win the previous week. I think I was the only one who saw that trainwreck coming. Most people thought AR would throw for 400 yards & 4 TD’s. I told you fellas they would copy the blueprint from New England – and they did. I don’t think they planned on us gift wrapping 5 turnovers, but they knew they could run the football & stuff Bush … in other words bully us or be more physical on both lines of scrimmage
December 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Gerard Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:03 am
Shouldn’t Routt be more concerned with winning games then pushing for personal accolades like the Pro Bowl?
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Agreed but I’m sure that’s most of his motivation is personal recognition.
December 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Maybe Belichek designs a blueprint for thwarting Tebow then other teams will copy it and it’s over for Denver?
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The blueprint is already out there! Denvers defense has shut down some pretty mediocre offenses allowing them to hang in there, and every game the defenses that shut down Tebow all day go soft or mentally break down and Tebow capitalizes. Its no secret. Just keep attacking and dont go soft at the end and you will win, or just outscore them. The Pats will hang 40 on Denver Sunday.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Consistent Mistabrown. See post 67. Just forgot to categorize post 54.
You’d heave to be nuts to put TP in if the season still has a chance.
If Belichek can’t figure out how to beat Denver, they could go deep in the playoffs. I freaking hate denver.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:05 am
weaselbit Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Consistent Mistabrown. See post 67. Just forgot to categorize post 54.
You’d heave to be nuts to put TP in if the season still has a chance.
If Belichek can’t figure out how to beat Denver, they could go deep in the playoffs. I freaking hate denver.
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/signed
December 14th, 2011 at 9:05 am
bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
The blueprint is already out there! Denvers defense has shut down some pretty mediocre offenses allowing them to hang in there, and every game the defenses that shut down Tebow all day go soft or mentally break down and Tebow capitalizes. Its no secret. Just keep attacking and dont go soft at the end and you will win, or just outscore them. The Pats will hang 40 on Denver Sunday.
Weasel:
You’re right. Tebow can’t do his thing if the game isn’t close.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am
but they knew they could run the football & stuff Bush … in other words bully us or be more physical on both lines of scrimmage
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Rodgers still threw the ball THIRTY times dude, and he only played 2.5 quarters. We held him to his lowest completion percentage of the year, lowest # of completions, lowest QB rating, first red zone INT of the year, first time all year he threw 4 consecutive incompletions. You can’t act like all those things happened because they just didn’t use him. Again he still threw 30 passes in 2.5 quarters.
Im not much for moral victories, but our secondary stood up to Aaron Rodgers better than any other secondary that he has faced this year. It’s not even debatable… and that is WITH Chuckie B being out-coached at every turn and putting these guys in positions to fail.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am
its still just a sprain….doctors will always try to cover themselves by saying it takes this long to heal…but this is the nfl, guys play hurt and dmc does not seem to want to do that, include ford as well. With all the pulled hammys, and long recovery times maybe they need new trainers? Maybe im wrong but i recall marcus allen playing hurt…
December 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Tebow also excels in the 2 minute drill (often the 5 minute drill for Denver) because he no longer has to react to what the defense is doing, they are on their heels, often not being able to rotate in subs, and force to react to him. Tebow CANT read a defense, but in those 5 minute scrambles he doesnt really need to, he forces them to react to what he is doing. That why the guy sucks for 3.5 quarters, but has still managed to embarass every team he has started against this year except the Lions.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:09 am
Gotta give Hue Jackson at least another year to come to anykind of real conclusion on his coaching ability … Same with Palmer… Give them some real time…. I believe both will be good for Oakland …niether one of them has had our real team in place…. It’s be a most unusual year…starting from the lockout, Death of our owner and the massive injurys… Hell, we’ve been down for a decade… Be patient…
December 14th, 2011 at 9:12 am
olinesux Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am
its still just a sprain….doctors will always try to cover themselves by saying it takes this long to heal…but this is the nfl, guys play hurt and dmc does not seem to want to do that,
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Your out of your mind. Dmc CANT play with this injury. He, by many accounts, cant even put weight on his foot. Sure he could suit up and go out there, but he would be completely ineffective, and would like damage the foot to the point of ending his career, and would also in no way help improve our offense.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Yeah your right. DMAC is a pvssy because he wont RUN the ball for us when he can’t walk. Genius comment of the day so far.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Raiders 27
Lions 21
December 14th, 2011 at 9:15 am
ok so lets wait and miss the only chance at the playoffs… gates is willing to play hurt, ben did it, some olineman played with a broken leg! cmon man….
December 14th, 2011 at 9:15 am
The league is trying to protect the players …. Notice the number of early deaths ( especially our retired Raiders)… I’m not sure the same standard for playing injured players applies as it did a decade or more ago……. Not only are they fining players more often for head to heads… But they’re coming down on clubs playing players with concussions and injuries…. I’ve head the league has issues with the Browns playing McCoy only 4 minutes after he was basically out on the field..
December 14th, 2011 at 9:16 am
Okay there was a buttload of turnovers against GB. But if our defense is killer, GB only gets field goals out of them. Turnover don’t have to be guaranteed td’s. Stats are alright but only points matter. Right plays at the right time.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:20 am
Nothing went right in the GB game, the freakin Tuck Rule – replay was down – I mean really? I think they fixed that game because GB is the league darling. I also think that with tebow, they are going to ram him down our throats whether we like him or not! NOT!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:21 am
I don’t really see that there is any news here. It was pretty obvious after a few weeks that McFadden’s injury was much more serious that the Raiders originally believed. My only hope is that he is able to fully recover to the form we saw in the early games this year. That was beautiful to see. The thought of him having permanent damage to his foot is sickening.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I think we need another RB as well. Cartwright out! Stand up guy but we need a better all aorund back
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CJL,
Rock is an excellent special teamer. He doesn’t get many carries as the 4th RB on the depth chart.
We’re giving the extra carries to Reece with Tonga blocking.
If Shane didn’t get too excited on Sunday with that fake punt – Rock was wide open and would have had a HUGE gain. Shane wasn’t even pressured, just wanted to get the ball out of his hand like a hot potato
Rock Cartwright certainly isn’t losing any games for us, but he has helped us win a few
December 14th, 2011 at 9:27 am
98.olinesux Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:15 am
ok so lets wait and miss the only chance at the playoffs… gates is willing to play hurt, ben did it, some olineman played with a broken leg! cmon man….
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You obviously don’t understand the injury dude. Even if DMac did ‘man up’ and play, what use would would a running back who cant run be? Did you even watch the Pit game? Yeah Ben came back and played, but all he did was stand like a statue and throw the ball. He had 0 mobility. Do you think he would have came back in to the came if he sprained his throwing shoulder and couldnt throw the ball? No chance.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:29 am
Rodgers still threw the ball THIRTY times dude, and he only played 2.5 quarters. We held him to his lowest completion percentage of the year, lowest # of completions, lowest QB rating, first red zone INT of the year, first time all year he threw 4 consecutive incompletions. You can’t act like all those things happened because they just didn’t use him. Again he still threw 30 passes in 2.5 quarters.
Im not much for moral victories, but our secondary stood up to Aaron Rodgers better than any other secondary that he has faced this year. It’s not even debatable… and that is WITH Chuckie B being out-coached at every turn and putting these guys in positions to fail.
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Agreed 100% . Co-signed . Exactly why I said that we would have won the game if we stuffed the run and eliminated the 5 offensive turnovers!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:33 am
You guys are nuts if you think Hue is going to bench Carson Palmer. That’s his golden boy. (Potentially) 2 first round picks he gave up for the guy and he’s going to sit him to play the rook? No way. Barring injury, Palmer is the QB for the rest of this season and for next season too. And in light of McFadden’s most recent injury to his feet, I would feel safe in saying that if the Raiders do not re-sign Michael Bush or at least slap a tag on him for a year, they are making a terrible mistake.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:33 am
I like Carson Palmer, though. I’m torn. I’m not giving up on him yet. I don’t think Hue is either
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Coach Jackson cannot give up on Palmer as his HC career depends on Palmers success.
Only way we see Pryor is in a gimmick…
As long as Coach Jackson is the HC Pryor will not see the field as a QB…
December 14th, 2011 at 9:35 am
Tebow CANT read a defense
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LOL @ haters!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
Well today the gameplan for Lions is being implemented…so we may as well discuss the matchups that will go down on the field….what do yall think?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
I would feel safe in saying that if the Raiders do not re-sign Michael Bush or at least slap a tag on him for a year, they are making a terrible mistake
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shouldn’t be too hard to re-sign Ron Dayne II after his last 3 games.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
75.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:38 am
Our season isn’t over. Putting Pryor in there would be pointless
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Unsure – you guys know I’m a HUGE Pryor supporter that said he shouldn’t play at all this season. Let him learn the ropes from a pro like Palmer and/or Campbell. This will be his team in 2013 and he’ll be our franchise QB for the next 10+ years.
However, if this team wants to win now and Hue Jackson fears for his job and doesn’t trust Palmer? the smart money says give your team a “spark” by inserting Pryor, who can run for first downs and complete those dumps, check downs, screens & short crosses that JC did last year. If he doesn’t turn the ball over, he doesn’t put our team in a position to fail.
I like Carson Palmer, though. I’m torn. I’m not giving up on him yet. I don’t think Hue is either
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RR – After watching Pryor in college I would say no way. Now after watching what Tebow and Cam have been able to do. OK, maybe the run and gun of Pryor can get it done.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
McFadden has had turf toe twice and a sprained foot. We have a Ferarri with bent rims. I think the dude is just prone to foot injuries and that will probably continue to plague him.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
We’re giving the extra carries to Reece with Tonga blocking.
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Tonga needs to block for Bush more….this is obvious now since SD game
December 14th, 2011 at 9:38 am
110.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:37 am
I would feel safe in saying that if the Raiders do not re-sign Michael Bush or at least slap a tag on him for a year, they are making a terrible mistake
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shouldn’t be too hard to re-sign Ron Dayne II after his last 3 games.
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LMAO!! He does remind me of Dayne.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:39 am
QB Depth Chart 2012:
1. Carson Palmer
2. Free Agent
3. Terrelle Pryor
December 14th, 2011 at 9:40 am
All of the guys injuried would play at the drop of of a hat IF THEY COULD…Thats what they live and love to do, play the game…Do any of us think these guys want to sit????
How effective would any of these guys be if they could go?
What are we using thes guys as decoy’s? How brilliant is that?
Calling these guys names, and saying they don’t want to go is crazy talk. They can’t go because they have not been cleared to nd they would be of ZERO use…
December 14th, 2011 at 9:41 am
103.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:26 am
I think we need another RB as well. Cartwright out! Stand up guy but we need a better all aorund back
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CJL,
Rock is an excellent special teamer. He doesn’t get many carries as the 4th RB on the depth chart.
We’re giving the extra carries to Reece with Tonga blocking.
If Shane didn’t get too excited on Sunday with that fake punt – Rock was wide open and would have had a HUGE gain. Shane wasn’t even pressured, just wanted to get the ball out of his hand like a hot potato
Rock Cartwright certainly isn’t losing any games for us, but he has helped us win a few
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I agree man I just can’t see us keeping 6 RBs on the team. Our home run backs all have injury issues.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:42 am
QB Depth Chart 2012:
1. Carson Palmer
2. Free Agent or Terrelle Pryor battle
3. Loser of the battle
December 14th, 2011 at 9:43 am
Chi had Den beat with a nail in the coffin. Marion Barber made not 1 but 2 game changing errors in Denvers favor.
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bcz24 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Maybe Belichek designs a blueprint for thwarting Tebow then other teams will copy it and it’s over for Denver?
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The blueprint is already out there! Denvers defense has shut down some pretty mediocre offenses allowing them to hang in there, and every game the defenses that shut down Tebow all day go soft or mentally break down and Tebow capitalizes. Its no secret. Just keep attacking and dont go soft at the end and you will win, or just outscore them. The Pats will hang 40 on Denver Sunday.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Chi had Den beat with a nail in the coffin. Marion Barber made not 1 but 2 game changing errors in Denvers favor
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How much money did barber make?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I agree man I just can’t see us keeping 6 RBs on the team. Our home run backs all have injury issues.
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CJL,
we have 2 thunder, 2 lightning. Rock isn’t even in the picture
both lightning dudes are out injured. nothing we can do about it!
gotta play Tonga at FB and use the horses (Bush & Reece) we got. throw the battering ram & semi truck at’em . ya know?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am
These guys cant go if their feet are FK’d up, END OF STORY! Are you really saying DMAC can go but rather watch from the sidelines? Give me a break man!
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olinesux Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:06 am
its still just a sprain….doctors will always try to cover themselves by saying it takes this long to heal…but this is the nfl, guys play hurt and dmc does not seem to want to do that, include ford as well. With all the pulled hammys, and long recovery times maybe they need new trainers? Maybe im wrong but i recall marcus allen playing hurt…
December 14th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Prob ZERO….he has the IQ of a mosquito. Thats my take on Marion Barber.
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:44 am
Chi had Den beat with a nail in the coffin. Marion Barber made not 1 but 2 game changing errors in Denvers favor
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How much money did barber make?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Barber ran for over 100 yards and a TD.
their offense would have been NOTHING without him.
the game wouldn’t have even when to overtime. it would have been a shutout.
MB had a game like DHB on Sunday, made a few flashes … but not enough to say it wasn’t a bad day at work
December 14th, 2011 at 9:47 am
121.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:45 am
I agree man I just can’t see us keeping 6 RBs on the team. Our home run backs all have injury issues.
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CJL,
we have 2 thunder, 2 lightning. Rock isn’t even in the picture
both lightning dudes are out injured. nothing we can do about it!
gotta play Tonga at FB and use the horses (Bush & Reece) we got. throw the battering ram & semi truck at’em . ya know?
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You have to go with you got but having a guy like DMAC or even taiwan Jones is he shows some burst to the outside keeps a defense honest.
Maybe Hue will try Ford in the backfield as a RB like he did against Denver. LOL!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Prob ZERO….he has the IQ of a mosquito. Thats my take on Marion Barber
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trade McClain for the IQ of a mosquito!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The key to this game is as always getting pressure on Stafford. If not, they will hang 30-40 on us and will probably lose. We need to put Wiz at C IMO. Can someone tell me where does N. Suh lines up. Between the C and RG or C and LG?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Maybe Hue will try Ford in the backfield as a RB like he did against Denver.
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try another reverse with Chaz Schilens = career over
December 14th, 2011 at 9:51 am
NExt time Hue will try to run a reverse with TJ Housh . LMAO
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
McClain is a tough call right now. The reason is I dont think gap control is a part of Chuck’s scheme. We need a new DC before I’m going to smash on McClain.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
trade McClain for the IQ of a mosquito!
December 14th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
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When the offense can’t control the ball in the first half it exposes an extremely fragile defense.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Is mcclain still playing on a bad wheel?
Was the mcclain issues the thing that set this team back?
not saying it is or not just looking for answers from the Semi Pro’s….
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Everybody has looked liked crap on defense, so I will reserve judgement on a number of players except Seymour and Huff. Kelly has always been like this, also Routt has always given TDs, but Seymour is supposed to be the leader of this D and where is he? occupying 2 O lineman, give me a break.
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Combination of a struggling offense and a defense that cant make any offense 1 dimensional, poor special teams play.
CP is struggling without Moore & Ford. Defenses figured out Bush doesn’t have the speed to turn the corner so they are stacked up inside the tackles.
The end
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:57 am
We need a new DC before I’m going to smash on McClain.
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ROMAC looked like crap under JMarshall too.
Rob Ryan, anyone?
December 14th, 2011 at 9:57 am
127.baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The key to this game is as always getting pressure on Stafford. If not, they will hang 30-40 on us and will probably lose. We need to put Wiz at C IMO. Can someone tell me where does N. Suh lines up. Between the C and RG or C and LG?
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put it this way…Cooper Carlisle is drawing Suh all game long
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
135.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Combination of a struggling offense and a defense that cant make any offense 1 dimensional, poor special teams play.
CP is struggling without Moore & Ford. Defenses figured out Bush doesn’t have the speed to turn the corner so they are stacked up inside the tackles.
The end
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
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Correct
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
strange -
Rolando gets pistol whipped by every RB he’s up against
December 14th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:57 am
127.baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The key to this game is as always getting pressure on Stafford. If not, they will hang 30-40 on us and will probably lose. We need to put Wiz at C IMO. Can someone tell me where does N. Suh lines up. Between the C and RG or C and LG?
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put it this way…Cooper Carlisle is drawing Suh all game long
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Then I hope they put Wiz at Center , which is not going to happen LOL
December 14th, 2011 at 10:00 am
134.baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Everybody has looked liked crap on defense, so I will reserve judgement on a number of players except Seymour and Huff. Kelly has always been like this, also Routt has always given TDs, but Seymour is supposed to be the leader of this D and where is he? occupying 2 O lineman, give me a break.
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Seymour must show up sunday
December 14th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Physically, McClain is mediocre.
Throw in his lack of awareness and general bad attitude and you end up with what we all see.
One big disappointment.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:01 am
140.baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:59 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:57 am
127.baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:48 am
The key to this game is as always getting pressure on Stafford. If not, they will hang 30-40 on us and will probably lose. We need to put Wiz at C IMO. Can someone tell me where does N. Suh lines up. Between the C and RG or C and LG?
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put it this way…Cooper Carlisle is drawing Suh all game long
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Then I hope they put Wiz at Center , which is not going to happen LOL
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Wiz has to be at center no matter what…but Hue’s ego is getting in the way
December 14th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Det dline has key injuries to the dline rotation. Teams have been able to run on them however, we will need at least 1 of our burners back to neutralize the box stack.
Only question is if ford dmo or TJ can go will they have game legs to make an impact??
December 14th, 2011 at 10:02 am
139.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
strange -
Rolando gets pistol whipped by every RB he’s up against
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Slolando does lol
December 14th, 2011 at 10:02 am
As good as McClain plays the pass, maybe he should be a hybrid player.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
“Seymour must show up sunday”
Supposedly all 4 of our D-line players are being double teamed on every play.
This makes me laugh, just the fact that someone would say that and not consider simple math.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
144.Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Det dline has key injuries to the dline rotation. Teams have been able to run on them however, we will need at least 1 of our burners back to neutralize the box stack.
Only question is if ford dmo or TJ can go will they have game legs to make an impact??
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Gonan be rough if they dont…..plus our rbs still need a better lead blocker…tonga must play….why is hue refusing to humble himself on this?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
Problem is he’s slow.
McClain probably should be in a 3-4 with an athletic dude to play inside with him.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
tonga must play….why is hue refusing to humble himself on this?
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Got some time in the 4th quarter.
Wonder if that is a preview of things to come v. the Lions?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
“Wiz has to be at center no matter what”
Satele and Carlisle are going to get man handled by Suh so yeah it might be a good idea to make a change.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
None of this Hue’s fault by the way and until he gets Jones or DMAC, Ford or Moore back dont look for things to change. Bres is killin us but we have to ride him until week 17.
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
135.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Combination of a struggling offense and a defense that cant make any offense 1 dimensional, poor special teams play.
CP is struggling without Moore & Ford. Defenses figured out Bush doesn’t have the speed to turn the corner so they are stacked up inside the tackles.
The end
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
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Correct
December 14th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Cooper Carlisle is drawing Suh all game long
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ROG,
Nsuckadong Suh is gonna be doubled by Gorilla (Satele) & Savage (Carlisle) all game long.
Question is, who will Veldheer & Wiz II be assigned to dominate on the left side?
Mike Bush needs to have his inhaler ready, because he’s gonna be called upon to run like a man possessed
December 14th, 2011 at 10:05 am
147.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:03 am
“Seymour must show up sunday”
Supposedly all 4 of our D-line players are being double teamed on every play.
This makes me laugh, just the fact that someone would say that and not consider simple math.
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Hue sometimes amazes me with his comments
December 14th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Not sure if mcclain is still playing on a bad wheel…Not ready to go in on him yet…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Nsuckadong Suh is gonna be doubled by Gorilla (Satele) & Savage (Carlisle) all game long.
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Those names should apply to correct people and Satele is a schitzu and Coop a poodle
December 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Not sure if mcclain is still playing on a bad wheel…Not ready to go in on him yet…
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Thec,
you’re the guy who gave him the nickname “McRussell” !
hilarious & fitting.
what do you mean “Not ready to go in on him yet” ???
December 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Bres is killin us but we have to ride him until week 17.
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Truth however, as soon as our season is over whack hiz azz…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
152.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:04 am
None of this Hue’s fault by the way and until he gets Jones or DMAC, Ford or Moore back dont look for things to change. Bres is killin us but we have to ride him until week 17.
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:58 am
135.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Combination of a struggling offense and a defense that cant make any offense 1 dimensional, poor special teams play.
CP is struggling without Moore & Ford. Defenses figured out Bush doesn’t have the speed to turn the corner so they are stacked up inside the tackles.
The end
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
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Correct
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Cant rioll with that one…yeah its Hue’s fault…his job is to win games….excuses are another language to me…dont understand them
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Cue up the Godfather soundtrack for sure!
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Truth however, as soon as our season is over whack hiz azz…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Satele is a schitzu and Coop a poodle
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ROG,
we’re gonna need a film junkie & stats wh0re to debate this further. got Jhill & BCZ on the line?
JFB & Dakota would also be helpful imo
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Yep Wiz will not start at C this year. Lets all hope he is there next year and we can get a very good LG in FA.
Veldheer- FA – Wiz – CC/Campbell/Barksdale – Barksdale/Campbell
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Nsuckadong Suh is gonna be doubled by Gorilla (Satele) & Savage (Carlisle) all game long.
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Those names should apply to correct people and Satele is a schitzu and Coop a poodle
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wiz = chowchow?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
what do you mean “Not ready to go in on him yet” ???
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I backed off on mcclain after the houston game…He left the game injured, manned up and balled…
I even apologized for going in on him. If he is playing on a bad wheel than I will give him a pass.
His mind does seem else where it could be the distraction of the gun thing…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
RRS….hope CJ37 ready this week…we gonan need a pick 6
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
164.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:07 am
Nsuckadong Suh is gonna be doubled by Gorilla (Satele) & Savage (Carlisle) all game long.
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Those names should apply to correct people and Satele is a schitzu and Coop a poodle
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wiz = chowchow?
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wiz=pitbull
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
B, Im not big on excuses either but facts are facts. Bush is 1 dimensional and our WR’s suck without Moore & Ford. Whats Hue supposed to do to attack a defense ?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then…………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful CHILLY morning in the O-A-K
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
What up DMAC?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
How many pick six have our players dropped?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Same here. Plus I think McClain is doing what Bres is asking of him.
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
what do you mean “Not ready to go in on him yet” ???
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I backed off on mcclain after the houston game…He left the game injured, manned up and balled…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
162.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:10 am
Satele is a schitzu and Coop a poodle
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ROG,
we’re gonna need a film junkie & stats wh0re to debate this further. got Jhill & BCZ on the line?
JFB & Dakota would also be helpful imo
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no they wouldnt…its simple we run power blocking…coop and satele lack that…coop can stay on right now but satele isnt worth a damn and wiz should start at center…we get more push onthe oline
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Good afternoon, DMAC
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then…………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful CHILLY morning in the O-A-K
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Come on Bruh, you pulling the trigger way to fast…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Wiz is our best O-lineman
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
172.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:12 am
Same here. Plus I think McClain is doing what Bres is asking of him.
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Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
what do you mean “Not ready to go in on him yet” ???
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I backed off on mcclain after the houston game…He left the game injured, manned up and balled…
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you mean nothing?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Chowchow go hard B!
I remember this chowchow (Shaka) in the hood when I was a kid. Couldn’t no dog fk w/ him.
Saw that muthafka shake the schit out of a pitbull!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then…………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful CHILLY morning in the O-A-K
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Come on Bruh, you pulling the trigger way to fast…
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hahahha
Just having a little fun this morn
what up Thec, B, Joe etc.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Your exactly right about Miami and GB they stacked the middle because Bush does not have the speed to get outside and also with the loss of Moore and Ford we can no longer stretch the field so they could play closer to the LOS on defense.
we were unable to move the chains so our defense was on the field to much and when they were on the field they looked confused at times. Missed assignments bad angles and poor tackling (all can be attributed to coaching).
To beat the Lions we will need some quick passes slants screens and somehow find a way to stretch the field with some deep passes if DHB can show his speed that we all hear about it would help a lot.
But to think that Bush will run up the middle with Suh in there is wishful thinking. Hue will have to be very creative on Sunday.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
I beleive at least 2 of the 4 burners will play against det…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
175.Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then…………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful CHILLY morning in the O-A-K
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Come on Bruh, you pulling the trigger way to fast…
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well he is from oakland lol
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
well he is from oakland lol
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Sad but true.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
B, if McClain is playing within the scheme his coaches are asking who do you blame the player or the coach?
I see McClain shooting the wrong hole so is our scheme gap control or just attack ? I cant believe every Monday morning they look at film and dont correct the issue unless this is the scheme!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Can anyone answer this question. What has happened to the Raiders over the last 2 weeks that allowed miami and GB to hang 80 on us?
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Something in the locker room, could be the romac debacle, could be players see the D unit for what it is, could be lack of football knowledge
Stupid celebrations make you look stupid
Team has thrown in the towel for what ever reason
Injured playmakers, tho no excuse for a weak bench
hererra dippin his fingers in the cookie jar
December 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
178.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Chowchow go hard B!
I remember this chowchow (Shaka) in the hood when I was a kid. Couldn’t no dog fk w/ him.
Saw that muthafka shake the schit out of a pitbull!
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lol
December 14th, 2011 at 10:16 am
Racist.
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
175.Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:13 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then…………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful CHILLY morning in the O-A-K
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Come on Bruh, you pulling the trigger way to fast…
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well he is from oakland lol
December 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
184.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:15 am
B, if McClain is playing within the scheme his coaches are asking who do you blame the player or the coach?
I see McClain shooting the wrong hole so is our scheme gap control or just attack ? I cant believe every Monday morning they look at film and dont correct the issue unless this is the scheme!
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yeah chuck b=nothing….you got my point now
December 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
168.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:11 am
B, Im not big on excuses either but facts are facts. Bush is 1 dimensional and our WR’s suck without Moore & Ford. Whats Hue supposed to do to attack a defense ?
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its w3ar….adjust and make chicken salad outta chicken schit
December 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Ok I thought you were talking about McClain.
Chuck B = Down syndrome feller, obviously
December 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
I love DHB, but the dude lacks body control.
It would also be a ++++ if he could try to make a double move/stutter step/ head fake/ fist pump or something, instead of just running deep!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:20 am
war*
December 14th, 2011 at 10:20 am
LOL
Well the problem with that is we are playing good defenses that look at our 1 legged offense and say ok we got this.
Do you wanna tell me if we had DMAC, Ford, and Moore all year we arent leading our division by at least 2 games and Hue isnt walking around the O whippin his crank out every chance he gets?
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
its w3ar….adjust and make chicken salad outta chicken schit
December 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
190.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Ok I thought you were talking about McClain.
Chuck B = Down syndrome feller, obviously
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you were talking about the scheme for slolando and what is asked of him…with chuck b…nada is asked
December 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
He cant control his bowels ?
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DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
I love DHB, but the dude lacks body control.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
193.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:20 am
LOL
Well the problem with that is we are playing good defenses that look at our 1 legged offense and say ok we got this.
Do you wanna tell me if we had DMAC, Ford, and Moore all year we arent leading our division by at least 2 games and Hue isnt walking around the O whippin his crank out every chance he gets?
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:17 am
its w3ar….adjust and make chicken salad outta chicken schit
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yeah well if if was a fifth…Kell may get laid
December 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
If he is playing on a bad wheel than I will give him a pass.
His mind does seem else where
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Thec,
I’m done making excuses for any player. Seymour & Huff are two of my favorites and even they have disappointed me with their play of late
Ditto for Palmer & DHB against GB
December 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Its about time we see something differently we been way to congenial lately.
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
you were talking about the scheme for slolando and what is asked of him…with chuck b…nada is asked
December 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
DHB works hard…just an average WR…but does try….better than murphy’s sorry ass
December 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:19 am
I love DHB, but the dude lacks body control.
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Would be an even better WR if he could attack the ball like DMO and JFORD…Both have good hands and attack the ball…Both are natural Wr’s…Coupled them with DHB and hagan gives us vey solid depth…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
We all knew our D was schitty when the season started, but we expected to be in every game because we had a high octane Offense.
Now that we’re missing our main weapons on the O, its starting to show up real ugly.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
My wish list:
Reggie McKenzie as GM
Jack Del Rio or Steve Spagnuolo as DC
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 3rd
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 5th
This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $20 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure Huff if they haven’t already. Then they need to re-sign Branch, Reece, Bryant, Heyer, and make a competitive offer to Michael Bush.
2 – DT Dontari Poe
3 – CB Leonard Johnson
3 – RB David Wilson
3 (comp.) – OT Xavier Nixon
4 – RB Cyrus Gray
4 (comp.) DE Jake Bequette
5 – WR BJ Cunningham
5 – S Harrison Smith
6 – LB Chris Galippo
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, and one in particular would help the Raiders seal the edge against the run AND pressure the QB with their four-man front. Mario Williams would have a Julius Peppers-like impact on this defense. So:
Sign DE Mario Williams
Sign MLB Barrett Ruud
December 14th, 2011 at 10:23 am
198.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Its about time we see something differently we been way to congenial lately.
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Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:21 am
you were talking about the scheme for slolando and what is asked of him…with chuck b…nada is asked
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oh yeah since we are the same person in the same aryna nation brotherhood
December 14th, 2011 at 10:24 am
YA………………….
B@uce<————superior
December 14th, 2011 at 10:24 am
DHB works hard…just an average WR…but does try….better than murphy’s sorry ass
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Going forward, the future…what level would/should the Raiders think of DHB. Is he going to be counted as a No. 1, 2 or No. 3 receiver?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Palmer, until he starts playing better will be know as the INT ATM…
He is a vet and does not get a pass…I have seen other qb’s play with far less and not turn it over as much as he does…His int’s are momentum killers. Not to mention how it defates our D which is questionable to begin with.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
We at least have our #1, 2 and 3 WR, for next year. We need to cut Chaz and Murphy and bring in some other depth, NO alligator arms and NO glass body WR
December 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:24 am
DHB works hard…just an average WR…but does try….better than murphy’s sorry ass
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Going forward, the future…what level would/should the Raiders think of DHB. Is he going to be counted as a No. 1, 2 or No. 3 receiver?
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DHB —-># 3
December 14th, 2011 at 10:27 am
B@uce, you’re a character and I enjoy our chats.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:27 am
206.Thec07 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:25 am
Palmer, until he starts playing better will be know as the INT ATM…
He is a vet and does not get a pass…I have seen other qb’s play with far less and not turn it over as much as he does…His int’s are momentum killers. Not to mention how it defates our D which is questionable to begin with.
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FACTS
December 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
adjust and make chicken salad outta chicken schit
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Agreed. Everybody thought Denver’s season went in the toilet when Brandon Lloyd was traded & Kyle Orton was chopped. Result = somebody else steps up and they don’t miss a beat. 6 straight wins
Injuries are a part of the game and every player is at a disadvantage due to the shortened offseason. Oakland doesn’t have it any worse than anybody else. Did you guys watch KC beat us 28-0 without Jamaal Charles & Eric Berry?
get a friggin clue peoples!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
We at least have our #1, 2 and 3 WR, for next year. We need to cut Chaz and Murphy and bring in some other depth, NO alligator arms and NO glass body WR
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Cutting Hagan for Whosyourmama was a HUGE mistake… Dude could actually CATCH the f@cking football!! I have zero faith in the receiver we are fielding right now…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
Too many big payday guys not living up to their contracts. Richard Seymour I am talking to you, Tom Kelly you should have been cut 2 years ago.
Goethal would have been a better MLB in my opinion but injuries have hurt us.
Do you guys think we miss Hiram Eugene?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
209.YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:27 am
B@uce, you’re a character and I enjoy our chats.
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LOL likewise…now on to more important matters…..what keys vs det do you see
December 14th, 2011 at 10:29 am
We get 2 of our burners back, and Bresh has the D ready to play we smash on det…
BTW where is Boss and Myers???
December 14th, 2011 at 10:29 am
Raider brain trust is on hiatus.
Wrong time to be asleep at the wheel.
Defense is a bad unit and the cordinator needs to step up his game, only problem is he aint got any game.
Raiders need to play like they are playing for something besides a game day check, tho good enough reason to leave it there.
Team has gone to the dogs. Hue needs to take off the gloves.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:30 am
212.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:28 am
baumraiders Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:26 am
We at least have our #1, 2 and 3 WR, for next year. We need to cut Chaz and Murphy and bring in some other depth, NO alligator arms and NO glass body WR
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Cutting Hagan for Whosyourmama was a HUGE mistake… Dude could actually CATCH the f@cking football!! I have zero faith in the receiver we are fielding right now…
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yeah…but tj needs to show up sunday
December 14th, 2011 at 10:30 am
What’s up everyone? DMAC…what’s good?
I see B and Thec is in here as well as Rockstar…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
LOL likewise…now on to more important matters…..what keys vs det do you see
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Raiders have to work on not beating themselves. There’s nothing about this game that isn’t winnable. But a few Barnes holding calls, some dropped passes and a costly turnover or two later, the Raiders won’t be able to run the ball, and therefore won’t be able to compete with the Lions’ high-powered offense.
More than that, smacking Stafford in the mouth a few times is a must. Can’t let him just loft balls up to Megatron all day, because if he can do that, Megatron will pay him back with big plays.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
I also do not have any faith in our WR that are playing right now. I mean our #1 is DHB and he cannot make a catch down the field. I like him cause he gives 110% every game, but I want catches, TD, not only effort and 3 drops.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
“what keys vs det do you see”
They like to throw the ball a lot Stafford can attempt 50 passes easily.
what he does is telegraph his throws he looks at his target all the way so if our db’s can get a jump on some of his passes we could get 2 or 3 INT’s.
Also Detroit is as penalized as us they do commit a lot of penalties. If we can stay focused and let them make the mistakes that kill drives we can get an edge there.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
So Detroit stinks at running the ball, do you think the Raiders can keep them under 150 yds on the ground?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
B, if you dont agree with everything I say I have no choice but to label you a racist.
Is that a problem?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
TJ housh looks like dead on the rapper SugaFree…i wish he got some catches why he is bullschittin!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am
223.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:33 am
B, if you dont agree with everything I say I have no choice but to label you a racist.
Is that a problem?
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well you are a white devil since you arent a dem and since im not a dem well im an uncle tom
December 14th, 2011 at 10:34 am
Palmer, until he starts playing better will be know as the INT ATM…
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LOL!
funny, yet inappropriate.
Palmer is a former Pro Bowler who has lead his team to the playoffs before. He was RETIRED on the couch for 9 months before Hue Jackson traded for him. No legal issues
McClain is a 2nd year Raider. Paid $40 million to stuff the run. We’re bottom 3-5 ranked in that category last year & this year. legal probs. shuns the media. throws his teammates under the bus and accepts no responsibility for his play on the field or his actions off the field. McRussell = fitting
December 14th, 2011 at 10:35 am
219.YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:32 am
LOL likewise…now on to more important matters…..what keys vs det do you see
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Raiders have to work on not beating themselves. There’s nothing about this game that isn’t winnable. But a few Barnes holding calls, some dropped passes and a costly turnover or two later, the Raiders won’t be able to run the ball, and therefore won’t be able to compete with the Lions’ high-powered offense.
More than that, smacking Stafford in the mouth a few times is a must. Can’t let him just loft balls up to Megatron all day, because if he can do that, Megatron will pay him back with big plays.
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good points i see the same thing….i just need satele out…also need more tonga
December 14th, 2011 at 10:35 am
B@uce, you’re a character and I enjoy our chats.
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B@uce is boss.
My cousin from the bay that always likes to pick a fight then say fk it and go grab some h0es at the end of the day.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
i see a close 27-24 game….sebass wins it at end?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I’m freaking sick of reading about McFragile and that he has or doesn’t have foot wise. Bottom line is he is probably done for the year playoffs or not. I’d trade him in the offseason he is soft. Too many missed games and injuries. He’s a liability. Maybe the Raiders can get a stud player on D for him. Or maybe some draft picks!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:38 am
228.LA to TheBay Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:35 am
B@uce, you’re a character and I enjoy our chats.
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B@uce is boss.
My cousin from the bay that always likes to pick a fight then say fk it and go grab some h0es at the end of the day.
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yeah or a brew…either one works
December 14th, 2011 at 10:38 am
hwnrdr, what good Mayne?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:39 am
230.joker94583 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I’m freaking sick of reading about McFragile and that he has or doesn’t have foot wise. Bottom line is he is probably done for the year playoffs or not. I’d trade him in the offseason he is soft. Too many missed games and injuries. He’s a liability. Maybe the Raiders can get a stud player on D for him. Or maybe some draft picks!
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lol who gonna want him?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:40 am
What up Hwnrdr
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
Dakota,
Where is your “Woe the Day” list. There are some out there that could fill it up. Not me though, I will give him another year.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I’m jumping the gun here, but what does Oakland do about QB if Palmer stinks it up the next 3 games?? We already bet the bank on him… Do we crown him the indisputable starter since we need return on our investment or do we bring in someone to compete against him?? The latter wouldnt make much sense given the compensation we dished out… Almost locks us in with Palmer for a little while…
Any thoughts??????
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
hwnrdr….sunday…let’s bring energy tothe place and help get this W…Code black!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:42 am
236.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
I’m jumping the gun here, but what does Oakland do about QB if Palmer stinks it up the next 3 games?? We already bet the bank on him… Do we crown him the indisputable starter since we need return on our investment or do we bring in someone to compete against him?? The latter wouldnt make much sense given the compensation we dished out… Almost locks us in with Palmer for a little while…
Any thoughts??????
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Stuck like Chuck
December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
hwnrdr….sunday…let’s bring energy tothe place and help get this W…Code black!
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Don’t forget the D-D-D-D-D-DMAC / pops / and bruh in law 2!!!!!!!!!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am
lol who gonna want him?
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Redskins. They’d likely take Seymour and maybe even McClain, too. How could Dan Snyder resist?
All the Raiders have to do then is ship Tommy Kelly out of town and they have some money to work with again.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Hey Nation! I know my long snaps have not been great these past 2 weeks but WE will Win on Sunday !
December 14th, 2011 at 10:44 am
Did you guys watch KC beat us 28-0 without Jamaal Charles & Eric Berry?
get a friggin clue peoples!
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Really? You want me to bring this up again… ok. Let me school you. KC with a very similar offensive injury line as us has lost games by 34,45,28,31, and 27 points this year.
Yeah they beat us by 28, but you dont think there were extenuating circumstances in that game? That was the first game without JC AND DMAC. Call it an excuse if you want to, but its not an excuse. Its a reason. How many games would NE win if Brady, Welker, Gronk, Green-Ellis all missed at the same time? How many game would Green Bay win if Rodgers, Jennings, Finely, and Driver all were out?
You guys dont understand, or are delibrately glossing over the point that we are NOT a stacked team that lost a playmaker or two, and can lean on the defense as our offense struggles by. We have lost our WHOLE offense, and our defense has done nothing but hold us back. Our offense covered for our defense in 6 of our 7 wins (Def and Spe Teams won Chicago). Now that our offense is completely crippled our defense isnt stepping up to carry the team, they just continue to get run over.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Eugene is sorely missed on ST, no where else.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:45 am
lol @ white devil
A sista called me that once, of course that was after I already hit
December 14th, 2011 at 10:46 am
237.Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
hwnrdr….sunday…let’s bring energy tothe place and help get this W…Code black!
Oh that was already a given, brah! DMAC, of course we won’t forget about you and the fams!
Thec…all good brother…waiting for Sunday!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
joetoronto Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:45 am
Eugene is sorely missed on ST, no where else.
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Yeah, I miss my homie “Stiff armed Eugene”.
Would of been nice to see him avenge himself against the Donks.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
239.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
hwnrdr….sunday…let’s bring energy tothe place and help get this W…Code black!
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Don’t forget the D-D-D-D-D-DMAC / pops / and bruh in law 2!!!!!!!!!
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YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAH
December 14th, 2011 at 10:47 am
“Any thoughts??????”
Hue Jackson and Palmer are now tied at the hip Hue had a chance to play GM and he went after “his” guy claiming it was the best trade ever and now he has to live and die with him.
Come August Hue will be preaching about how Palmer is ready to compete for a division title now that he has had an off season and camp with his starting WR’s.
The question is, will we the fans buy what Hue is selling?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:48 am
244.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:45 am
lol @ white devil
A sista called me that once, of course that was after I already hit
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you mean after the klan gang raped her?
December 14th, 2011 at 10:48 am
RaiderRock, I am waiting to see if mcclain is injuried.
I beleive the issue with gun has really fcked him up mentally, not that he needed a lot of help in that dept.
If he is not playing on a bad leg, he does need to step up. As the last 2 games the D has been abysmal, and he is the QB of the D…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:48 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:48 am
244.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:45 am
lol @ white devil
A sista called me that once, of course that was after I already hit
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you mean after the klan gang raped her?
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OUCH!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:49 am
240.YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am
lol who gonna want him?
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Redskins. They’d likely take Seymour and maybe even McClain, too. How could Dan Snyder resist?
All the Raiders have to do then is ship Tommy Kelly out of town and they have some money to work with again.
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deadskins may be that dumb..i agree….kelly is a failure..i backed him until after the 09 season
December 14th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Coach has some new stuff for us this weekend Nation. Look for a double reverse off a long snap to catch them off guard!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:50 am
Gerard Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 7:37 am
Miami, Denver, Chicago, and NE (did Buffalo do it too?) all had one thing in common that all of those teams used against Raiders; it’s that 10 yd. slant crossing over the middle pass to a WR who runs it in for a TD. Same exact play all those teams used to score on us. It’s the one Tebow threw to Erik Decker.
Question I have is who’s responsibility is that to stop?
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Somebody different every time, I believe. Against Miami I believe it was Curry. Against Buffalo it was McClain. Against Denver it may have been Huff. Don’t remember Chicago and NE. Routt may have given up one of those as well. Not an easy play to defend (without drawing a flag) if executed well by the offense. Especially when it’s a LB on a WR.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:50 am
yeah or a brew…either one works
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or both.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Don’t get me started w/ fat azz Kelly!
Oh Rick Ross wannabe looking muthafka!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:54 am
That oh, I can’t stuff the run, but I can stuff a super burrito azz n***a!
December 14th, 2011 at 10:55 am
We should start Kyle Boller at WR and really throw them for a loop.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Nation!
What time’s practice today?
Gotta see who turned out for practice…
December 14th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Do you guys think anyone else will make the pro bowl besides me ? Shane and Jan have a good chance thanks to these awesome long snaps
December 14th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Does Boller even have a helmet?
Dude makes a living modeling Raider Lids onthe sideline….
December 14th, 2011 at 10:57 am
VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:56 am
Nation!
What time’s practice today?
Gotta see who turned out for practice…
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I think ten-elevenish
December 14th, 2011 at 10:57 am
You da man, Jon, only you.
December 14th, 2011 at 10:57 am
So Detroit stinks at running the ball, do you think the Raiders can keep them under 150 yds on the ground?
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STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME.
Darrius will have a bigger day receiving than Calvin
December 14th, 2011 at 11:00 am
Tim Tebow is the most talked about White Bronco since OJ…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:00 am
“Hue said all along it was a high ankle sprain,”
He absolutely did NOT say “it was a high ankle sprain.” He reported the truth: “a mid-foot sprain.”
Any googling on the net (which many posters here DID and many did NOT) revealed the basics that concern us here: that 1) a level one mid-foot sprain is so termed because it does not involve “instability” and that a level 1 normally causes the average person to be out of commission for approx 1-2 weeks if he has a desk job 2) a level one mid-foot sprain for an athlete is a different matter and can hold back that athlete from performing for much longer, may be as little as 2-3 weeks, but more likely longer (4-8+weeks), depending on the healing and depending on the particular athletic task required of him 3) that the diagnosis of the both the severity of a mid-foot sprain and of healing time is often quite difficult, with the patient’s progress needing to be closely monitored, day to day, and the diagnosis often modified depending on rehab performance
They call it “practicing medicine” for a reason, people. No matter the ailment, it’s impossible for even for most high-tech modern tests to let a doctor see everything as if he had actually opened up the foot and taken a look through surgery. Any doctor will tell you that practicing medicine involves using established protocols that use the diagnostic tools available, but that those tools cannot provide 100% accuracy for 100% of patients. That is why they follow the protocols and do frequent reassessment.
Translation: there’s a lot of educated “guesswork”
No one’s been lying.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:01 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
by JDJohnDickinson
According to STATS: #Raiders and #Lions are tied for most personal fouls in NFL this season with 27. #Cardinals next at 21
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This one could get ugly. I can see somebody getting ejecting for this one.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Its going to be interesting to see if this game sells out.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:49 am
240.YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:43 am
lol who gonna want him?
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Redskins. They’d likely take Seymour and maybe even McClain, too. How could Dan Snyder resist?
All the Raiders have to do then is ship Tommy Kelly out of town and they have some money to work with again.
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deadskins may be that dumb..i agree….kelly is a failure..i backed him until after the 09 season
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Kelly’s actually been really good, IMO, the last two seasons. 7 sacks last year. Leading the team with 7 already this year. That’s alot for a DT. In fact, he’s tied for most sacks by a DT in the NFL right now for this season.
Seymour is one behind at 6, although almost all of those came in the beginning of the season. I think Seymour is banged up and it’s really affected his play the last 5 or 6 weeks.
What about the run D? Is the logical response to that. Fair point, but I don’t necessarily blame that on the DTs. The Raiders are weird. They’ll stone a RB for a loss, 1 yard, 3 yards, etc. and then they’ll break off a 50+ yard run. I think the run D issues have everything to do with discipline and scheme and very little to do with the DTs getting pushed around.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:01 am
Its going to be interesting to see if this game sells out.
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Got the 2 for 1 for this game.
I think it sells out w/out a doubt.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:02 am
So Detroit stinks at running the ball, do you think the Raiders can keep them under 150 yds on the ground?
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No the Raiders will help cure whatever ill they have. LT used to struggle and then uses Oakland to fix his running game. GB couldnt run until they ran right past us. I fear we will help whatever Detroit’s ill is and cure it. I would love a win but that has been our trademark the past 8 yrs.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:03 am
McFragile looks to be done. Get this man some vegetables and milk.
And the way this team has looked the past couple of weeks, I’m sort of glad they won’t make the playoffs. Why embarrass yourselves?
It’s all been a mirage anyway. When you really look at it, this team just isn’t ready to turn the corner. On pace to break the record for penalties. They look awful when they lose, getting absolutely blown out. And when they win, they seem to just barely escape. Nope, not ready. Just stay home and save the embarrassment.
Bet you can’t tell I’m fresh out of koolaid. Lol
December 14th, 2011 at 11:03 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:41 am
hwnrdr….sunday…let’s bring energy tothe place and help get this W…Code black!
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you guys are lucky
December 14th, 2011 at 11:05 am
230.joker94583 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:37 am
I’m freaking sick of reading about McFragile and that he has or doesn’t have foot wise. Bottom line is he is probably done for the year playoffs or not. I’d trade him in the offseason he is soft. Too many missed games and injuries. He’s a liability. Maybe the Raiders can get a stud player on D for him. Or maybe some draft picks!
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The only team that would give us something decent for him……Jerry Jones and the Cowgirls. Jerry loved DMAC.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
256.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Don’t get me started w/ fat azz Kelly!
Oh Rick Ross wannabe looking muthafka!
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ROZAAAAAAAAAAY!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM-g21FjKY
This is Tommy Kelly
December 14th, 2011 at 11:07 am
This one could get ugly. I can see somebody getting ejecting for this one.
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I set the over/under on penalties in this game at 27, with at least 1 ejection. Sadly, I am betting the over.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Looks like we’e gona see Kevin Smith int he backfield Sunday…avg 6.9yds a carry & 9.2 yds a catch.
this D Unit has GOT to step their game up, period!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM-g21FjKY
This is Tommy Kelly
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I can’t even watch it B
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
The only team that would give us something decent for him……Jerry Jones and the Cowgirls. Jerry loved DMAC.
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Not with Felix Jones and Demarco Murray on the roster.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:09 am
All this team needs is a spark, catch a break here and there, beat Detroit and then its of to the races.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Why would you trade DMC if this team can’t seem to win without him?
Seems like people are putting the loses on him because he is hurt.
Better to have a beast for part of the season than nothing at all?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:10 am
off
December 14th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Speaking of part time players, I miss Bo.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Am I missing something or should this be titled, “I still have no new information about McFadden’s injury and here is a comment from someone who also doesn’t know but mentioned me by name”.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Funny Saint…
that report from Bell was presented in pretty much the same way when EMac was originally hurt…
maybe the name drop got Corks attention.
Just WIN!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 am
279.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM-g21FjKY
This is Tommy Kelly
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I can’t even watch it B
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aw wish u could…hilarious schit
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 am
284.joetoronto Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Speaking of part time players, I miss Bo.
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How about Ethan Horton or Rod Fredickson?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:15 am
I’d keep the part-timer, but pay him accordingly. No way I pay top dollar for a guy that only plays 50-75% of the year. Problem is, there will always be a desperate team ready to pay in hopes that he’ll be healthy for the first time in his career. And knowing our luck, he would.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:15 am
278.VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Looks like we’e gona see Kevin Smith int he backfield Sunday…avg 6.9yds a carry & 9.2 yds a catch.
this D Unit has GOT to step their game up, period!
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Yeah dont want him one on one with huff or giordano…its to the hut then
December 14th, 2011 at 11:15 am
DMAC done for the year is now becoming a reality….He has one more year left on his contract the good news is next year being a contact year for him so he will have to show what he is worth.
I would guess that will be his bets year yet.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:16 am
#285, lol!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Darren will be back this season Nation don’t worry. Even at 75% he can compete at a pro bowl type level just like myself.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:18 am
293.Jon Condo Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:17 am
Darren will be back this season Nation don’t worry. Even at 75% he can compete at a pro bowl type level just like myself.
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Wish Bo was here to roast you
December 14th, 2011 at 11:18 am
291.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:15 am
DMAC done for the year is now becoming a reality….He has one more year left on his contract the good news is next year being a contact year for him so he will have to show what he is worth.
I would guess that will be his bets year yet.
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Sad its come to this….Hue wasnt forthright with this or our team medical guys suck majorly
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 am
279.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM-g21FjKY
This is Tommy Kelly
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I can’t even watch it B
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aw wish u could…hilarious schit
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I take that back.
For some reason it worked.
Oh, doughnut eatin muthafka!
lol
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Denarius Moore has returned to #Raiders practice @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Moore at practice! No Ford or McFadden
1 minute ago
This will help!!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:21 am
“I’m getting dough,
and i’m a NUT!”…
Thanks Guys, i needed that today…
Best was the Ricky face on the sidewalk made out of doughnuts…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:21 am
HueKnows Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Why would you trade DMC if this team can’t seem to win without him?
Seems like people are putting the loses on him because he is hurt.
Better to have a beast for part of the season than nothing at all?
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Better to have a guy who can contribute when the season is on the line. For three seasons, McFadden has not been that guy. Even when he’s in, he’s not unstoppable. So why not get some draft picks for him, and use those draft picks to A) build up other parts of the team that desperately need new talent, and B) get another running back or two who, while they might not be as dynamic as McFadden, can spell Bush and are more likely to be healthy when the Raiders need them to be?
A part-time playmaker helps teams that are already good. The Raiders are not already good. A running back who plays six games every season is a luxury that a team with this many holes cannot afford.
The Raiders need adequate depth so when injuries happen, they’re not forced to start a WR who can only run comeback routes, or a guy recently signed from the UFL, Kyle Boller (and then be forced to overpay so they can have a QB who gives them an actual chance to compete), etc.. The way it is right now, there are no playmakers on this team. So it’s time to shed some salary, build up in the offseason, and come back stronger.
McFadden isn’t the only player who needs to be moved. McClain isn’t a good fit for the Raider defense. Tommy Kelly is aging and overpaid, and although he’s the product of a system that asks both interior linemen to rush the passer, he still isn’t anything special without Richard Seymour next to him. And then there’s Richard Seymour, who has clearly checked out in spite of the $7.5 million he’s making. Guy is a solid player, but again – aging. And it’s nice to have “solid” players, but it’s better to have a guy that can make plays when the team needs them. None of these guys have showed they’re capable of that in spite of their massive salaries.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Jacoby Ford is not practicing but is working w/Taiwan Jones w/trainers. Appears he will be doing some running tho soon #Raiders @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 am
284.joetoronto Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Speaking of part time players, I miss Bo.
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How about Ethan Horton or Rod Fredickson?
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Horton not so much, Fredrickson was a good OLB.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Do I think Chuck B is a good defensive coordinator ?
Hell no.
Do I think he takes way too much heat and blame for the Raider defensive inadequacies ?
Hell yes.
Another DCO might be able to get more out of this group, but the truth is we’ve got some non-performing turds on defense that limit how effective the defense can be as a unit.
I could beat Rolando in a 50 yard dash – running backwards. Couple his lack of foot speed with a questionable commitment to being the best player he can be, and you’ve got a major problem at perhaps the most important position on defense.
Mike Huff is an overpaid, non-impact, inconsistent, weak tackling safety. Re-signing him to a long term, big dollar deal was a mistake.
Dick Seymour has regressed so badly, he’s almost non-existent for weeks on end. His proclivity for personal fouls, ejections and penalties has been a liability. And this is supposed to be the leader of this group ? Give me a break.
So, not to defend Chuckie B, but when your (supposedly) ‘best’ defensive lineman, LB, and Safety aren’t bringing it or providing the necessary leadership, your defense isn’t going to get the job done.
The Raids DO have some good players on defense. I think Wimbley, Routt, and Branch are solid players. Houston, Bryant, Curry, MattS, are young and hopefully on the rise. Kelly has some moments.
This unit could not only use a better coordinator, it also desperately needs the infusion of more talent. It lacks an impact player and on the field leadership.
It also would help if Carson Palmer pulls his head out of his sphincter and stops throwing ridiculous interceptions which puts even more pressure on an overmatched D.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
Nice post DMAC
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No sign of Darren McFadden at #Raiders practice. McFadden has been out since October 23 @957thegame
1 minute ago
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Hey Brown
Hit em w/ the obviously
December 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
301.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:22 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Jacoby Ford is not practicing but is working w/Taiwan Jones w/trainers. Appears he will be doing some running tho soon #Raiders @957thegame
1 minute ago
Any chance we get all 3 back for thsi Sunday???
December 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
Sad its come to this….Hue wasnt forthright with this or our team medical guys suck majorly
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I really dont believe that is the case. This type of injury is a wait and see kind of thing, when DMAC came out of the boot and tried to put weight on the foot it seems it flared back up, which was unexpected. If the medical staff told Hue right away there was no chance of DMAC coming back, or that it would be at least 8 weeks I think Hue would have IRed him and picked someone up to lighten the load. I dont think anyone expected it to take this long.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Richard Seymour walks back into locker room in uniform as practice begins. Let’s see if he returns to the field soon #Raiders @957thegame
56 seconds ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:23 am
*this
December 14th, 2011 at 11:24 am
So, Moore is actually practicing with the team, not just jogging?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Obviously.
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DJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No sign of Darren McFadden at #Raiders practice. McFadden has been out since October 23 @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:25 am
How many game would Green Bay win if Rodgers, Jennings, Finely, and Driver all were out?
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BCZ,
at least one … Oakland!
I can see Flynn throwing it to Nelson, Jones & Cobb. Maybe even TE’s Crabtree & Taylor
but those guys aren’t even the reason we lost, smart guy
Grant & Kuhn running it. 5 turnovers from our offense. Merry Christmas!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:26 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
And just like that Seymour re-emerges from the locker room to take part in practice #Raiders @957thegame
1 minute ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:26 am
311.MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:24 am
Obviously.
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DJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No sign of Darren McFadden at #Raiders practice. McFadden has been out since October 23 @957thegame
1 minute ago
Yeah, that was a no brainer
December 14th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Better to have a guy who can contribute when the season is on the line. For three seasons, McFadden has not been that guy. Even when he’s in, he’s not unstoppable. So why not get some draft picks for him, and use those draft picks to A) build up other parts of the team that desperately need new talent, and B) get another running back or two who, while they might not be as dynamic as McFadden, can spell Bush and are more likely to be healthy when the Raiders need them to be?
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If you wanted to go that route you could just start Bush and have DMC spell him, but nobody would really do that. And he has been pretty much unstoppable when he is in..hell the whole team stopped since he left.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am
We need at least Moore & Ford back to have a shot Sudnay.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am
296.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:14 am
279.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:06 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geM-g21FjKY
This is Tommy Kelly
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I can’t even watch it B
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aw wish u could…hilarious schit
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I take that back.
For some reason it worked.
Oh, doughnut eatin muthafka!
lol
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ROZAAAAAAAAAAAAY!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Oh and why cant Bresnahan take a “medical leave” also..
December 14th, 2011 at 11:30 am
299.VanHeathen Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:21 am
“I’m getting dough,
and i’m a NUT!”…
Thanks Guys, i needed that today…
Best was the Ricky face on the sidewalk made out of doughnuts…
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Bring me back 50 more more more just bring me back 50 more
December 14th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Really Doubt DMac is going anywhere…
you don’t trade your best player, for anything less than equal value, and you’ll never get equal value coming off an injury.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:30 am
Man. Earl Thomas would look nice in a Raider uniform. Random, I know.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
what mcfadden not at practice? but he will be back before the season ends….yeah right
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
#Raiders Samson Satele is practicing after not finishing the game Sunday vs. #Packers All offensive lineman going thru drills
1 minute ago
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OUCH!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Trade Bush to Seattle for Lynch!!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Let’s go fellas lets all get back…cept dmac of course!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 am
323.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
#Raiders Samson Satele is practicing after not finishing the game Sunday vs. #Packers All offensive lineman going thru drills
1 minute ago
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OUCH!
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god i just lost my positive light now…Satele is awful
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Let’s go fellas lets all get back…cept dmac of course!
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post 323?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 am
I have to admit.
I am a huge Patriot fan this weekend.
Some in here hate him, but I think Tom Brady is one of the best ever to step on the field, although I hate that franchise.
Gronkowski may be better than Tony Gonzalez when all is said and done.
Bold, I know.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 am
BCZ,
at least one … Oakland!
I can see Flynn throwing it to Nelson, Jones & Cobb. Maybe even TE’s Crabtree & Taylor
but those guys aren’t even the reason we lost, smart guy
Grant & Kuhn running it. 5 turnovers from our offense. Merry Christmas!
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I wasn’t just talking about our game against Green Bay genius. I was talking about in general, week to week. You may call it an excuse when you lose a few of you starters here and there, but when you lose ALL of your offensive weapons at the same damn time it is not an excuse it is a direct REASON for losing.
I notice you have developed a penchant for glossing over facts lately Rock…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
If you wanted to go that route you could just start Bush and have DMC spell him, but nobody would really do that. And he has been pretty much unstoppable when he is in..hell the whole team stopped since he left.
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There have been a number of games where DMac has been ineffective, or has just looked ordinary. Teams that are good at sealing the edge and have some speed at OLB and DE. 49ers, Colts, and Dolphins all shut him down last season when he was healthy.
So, try to re-sign Bush. Jones, when healthy, can be the token part-time perimeter runner. Draft a couple other guys who can take some hits and make some yards. They might not be home-run hitters, but good defenses (Ravens, Steelers, et al) won’t let McFadden hit home runs anyway.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I thought Satele was starting to look good, about 4-5 games into the season.
Before he hurt his knee.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Picking Huff over Goldston hasnt paid off.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
No John Henderson at #Raiders practice. He has been dealing w/a knee injury.
1 minute ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:34 am
So little MJD is leading the league in rushing yards and carries while big McFadden sits with a hurt foot.
Conditioning?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Chaz practicing again.
IRON CHAZ!
CHAZ OF STEEL!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
If you wanted to go that route you could just start Bush and have DMC spell him, but nobody would really do that. And he has been pretty much unstoppable when he is in..hell the whole team stopped since he left.
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There have been a number of games where DMac has been ineffective, or has just looked ordinary. Teams that are good at sealing the edge and have some speed at OLB and DE. 49ers, Colts, and Dolphins all shut him down last season when he was healthy.
So, try to re-sign Bush. Jones, when healthy, can be the token part-time perimeter runner. Draft a couple other guys who can take some hits and make some yards. They might not be home-run hitters, but good defenses (Ravens, Steelers, et al) won’t let McFadden hit home runs
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McFadden didnt play against the 49ers last year.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Add Michael Huff to the list of those not practicing today for the #Raiders @957thegame
56 seconds ago
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
So many foot injuries this year, crazy.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Huff has a bad hammy
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:34 am
So little MJD is leading the league in rushing yards and carries while big McFadden sits with a hurt foot.
Conditioning?
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Are you serious? Or joking?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Picking Huff over Goldston hasnt paid off.
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Brown,
Hit em’ w/ the……………..
December 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
McFadden didnt play against the 49ers last year.
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You’re right, my mistake.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
Its an amazing feat!
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joetoronto Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:35 am
So many foot injuries this year, crazy.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
“Are you serious? Or joking?”
Being a smart ass why?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
DAMC, Im not your puppet
Obviously!
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DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Picking Huff over Goldston hasnt paid off.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
We are going to get 2 of the 4 burners for he Det game….
The INT ATM will have no excuse…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:36 am
“Are you serious? Or joking?”
Being a smart ass why?
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Just wondering.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
I was thinking Pittsburgh and Houston games.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am
MistaBrown Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:37 am
DAMC, Im not your puppet
Obviously!
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DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Picking Huff over Goldston hasnt paid off.
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Naw man.
I’m just your side kick!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am
The Buffalo game from this year reminds me of the importance of what happened against Arizona last year when Jano missed all three kicks. It was like getting kicked in the nuts..I couldn’t believe it. I am STILL f’ing stunned by it…Just like the Tuck Rule..Ill never forget it..
The Buffalo game and the epic Defensive meltdown is just as significant as that game. You CANNOT give away games in the NFL, this isn’t baseball, there aren’t 162 freakin games..
This is a MUST WIN…If we lose the season will be over, plain and simple.
If we can’t beat the Lions at Home, with EVERYTHING ON THE LINE..we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs anyway.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Samson Satele is practicing
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whoop whoop!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Hard to imagine Jared Gaither doing any worse than Barnes, while were talking about off season moves that didnt work.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am
I don’t know ..I remember him leading the league when he was healthy at the start of the season. No way I trade my best player in hopes of finding someone in the draft.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Huff has been a HUUUUUGE downer. Can you imagine if he was playing like last year while Branch is playing like how he is this year!?
That *would be a great combo.
Huff Daddy needs to do work son.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Keep in mind, Gaither has only played well in one game this season. Gaither’s knock was inconsistency.
I, too, wanted to see him signed. But we don’t know what happened in the meeting with him, nor the ensuing medical check.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am
# DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Oh and why cant Bresnahan take a “medical leave” also..
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Yeah, he will take an ‘extended leave of absence’ next year after he gets his offseason pap-smear..
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
McFadden was still 7th in the league in rushing after missing 3 games. Thats crazy.
You can’t give up on that.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
DeuceDeuce conditioning, genetics or both?
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
The way Huff has been playing, I sure miss my playa patna “stiff armed Eugene”
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:40 am
Keep in mind, Gaither has only played well in one game this season. Gaither’s knock was inconsistency.
I, too, wanted to see him signed. But we don’t know what happened in the meeting with him, nor the ensuing medical check.
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Well technically he has only played in 1 game this year. Not counting goal line duty. So..
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
thought we offered Gaither a contract, buthe failed his physical…maybe SD was desperate enough to roll the dice. either way, couldn’t have hurt to have him these last two weeks. Barnes has hurt us at the worst times.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:42 am
# RaiderRockstar Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Samson Satele is practicing
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whoop whoop!
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Don’t worry, he and his fat chick fro will jog off the field 23 times during Sunday’s game to check an ‘injury’…and then proceed to go back out and get emasculated by Suh…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:42 am
I notice you have developed a penchant for glossing over facts lately
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BCZ,
facts & your opinion = not the same thing
other teams are winning football games without key starters. You’re saying the Raiders aren’t expected to do the same
December 14th, 2011 at 11:42 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:39 am
Hard to imagine Jared Gaither doing any worse than Barnes, while were talking about off season moves that didnt work.
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Gaither is now the starting LT for the dischargers…
He has looked good in both games…
Dumb haley gave him to them for a ice cream cone…
December 14th, 2011 at 11:43 am
DMAC: I take it you’re referring to that play down the sideline where he was beaten like a red headed stepchild by a WR?
Can’t remember the name.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:44 am
327.DMAC Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:32 am
Method To My Madness Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Let’s go fellas lets all get back…cept dmac of course!
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post 323?
**********d mcfadden i mean
December 14th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:41 am
DeuceDeuce conditioning, genetics or both?
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Neither.
McFadden had a freak injury on an awkward tackle.
Conditioning or has little to nothing to do with foot ligament injuries.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:45 am
new post!
December 14th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Haley cut Gaither for a penalty that cost them the game.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:48 am
CP needs to make up for his bad play by winning these last 3 games. Our D sucks but Detroits isn’t playing much better and they have no run game, KC has no O, and CP should be able to win a shootout. He’ll have more than enough weapons, no pun intended
December 14th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I know there a lot of Bush fans here, but i would not over pay this dude in the offseason. If someone is dumb enough to give him starter $, let him walk and we should not try and match it. There will be more affordable RB’s to compliment McFadden if he recovers.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:54 am
@ Deja Vu, I agree … bush should get Brandon Jacobs type money, not anything crazy. He should know his role but if he gets $$$$$$$$ elsewhere, you know he will take it.
December 14th, 2011 at 11:58 am
# Deja vu Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 11:49 am
I know there a lot of Bush fans here, but i would not over pay this dude in the offseason. If someone is dumb enough to give him starter $, let him walk and we should not try and match it. There will be more affordable RB’s to compliment McFadden if he recovers.
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Reece can replace Bush…for free.
December 14th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
You guys need to go read about Lisfranc injury. It is on nasty ass foot problem. I watched him play at Arkansas, and if you look at replays of his running, you will see that he runs pigeon toed and that could be causing his foot problem. If this problem keeps up then he will eventually develop a misaligned foot and have to get that taken care of. Really thinks he needs surgery NOW so we can get him back next year full speed.
December 14th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
I do think we need someone who can cut-back or make a side-step move. The o-line has been terrible and when the hole isn’t there (it hasn’t been) Bush just falls forward for 2 yards. We need taiwan or someone lonyae miller/ to make something out of nothing …. Bush is solid we he can get a full head of steam going thru a hole but when it isn;t there he makes the line look worse than what it already is of late.
December 15th, 2011 at 2:21 am
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December 15th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
Autopalm77 Says:
December 14th, 2011 at 1:43 am
I would add for clarification….
Nonoperative Treatment
If the clinical evaluation indicates the probability of a mild or moderate sprain and the radiograph shows no diastasis, immobilization is suggested. Treatment with a short-leg walking cast, a removable short-leg orthotic or a non–weight-bearing cast is continued for four to six weeks or until symptoms have resolved. The potential for disability following a Lisfranc joint injury justifies the use of a non–weight-bearing cast.
After the period of immobilization, ambulation and rehabilitation exercises should be progressive. If the symptoms persist up to two weeks after rehabilitation has begun, a repeat weight-bearing radiograph must be obtained to evaluate the joint articulation for instability and evidence of delayed separation (i.e., disarticulation worsened after weight-bearing).
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So, basically he should be shelved until next season for full recovery to take place.