Raiders squander golden opportunity
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, December 18th, 2011 at 7:59 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Despite so many losses over the years, it would be difficult to imagine a more damaging one than the Raiders 28-27 defeat at the hands of the Detroit Lions on Sunday.
The Raiders led by 13 points with 7 minutes, 47 seconds left, they had a sold-out crowd lending their support and the Lions offense had become one-dimensional.
Worse, the Raiders received numerous reminders throughout the game about the Denver Broncos and New York Jets losing big. This one was there for the taking.
In the end, it was the Lions who did all the taking. Quarterback Matthew Stafford connected for two touchdown passes within the final 5 minutes, including one with 39 seconds left, in rallying the Lions for an improbable victory.
Lions defensive tackle Ndamukong Suh preserved the victory by partially blocking Sebastian Janikowski’s 65-yard field-goal attempt as time expired.
“Obvious to say I’m disappointed is an understatment,” Raiders coach Hue Jackson said. “A team just went 98 yards and found a way to win. We had chances to win the game.”
Stafford guided the Lions 98 yards in less than two minutes for the game-deciding touchdown after Shane Lechler had pinned the Lions with a punt with 2:14 left in the game.
Stafford completed 5 of 8 passes for 91 yards on the drive, which was aided by a 17-yard pass interference penalty on cornerback Stanford Routt.
“We knew we had to win that one and fought hard, fought hard, fought hard and let it slip,” Raiders strong safety Tyvon Branch said. “These are the games that hurt. These are the games you remember, and they hurt for a long time.”
The pain is going to linger into the offseason if losing this game winds up costing the Raiders a playoff berth.
As of now, the Raiders are right where they started the day, one game behind the Broncos in the AFC West and one game behind the New York Jets in the chase for the second wild-card berth — the Cincinnati Bengals joined the Jets at 8-6 with a victory over the St. Louis Rams today.
For the Raiders to make the playoffs, one of two things needs to happen.
One, they need to finish ahead of the Broncos in the AFC West, unless the Broncos lose to the Kansas City Chiefs on Jan. 1. In that case, the Raiders would win the tiebreaker based on a better divisional record, assuming the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Saturday and the San Diego Chargers on Jan. 1.
Second, the Raiders need to finish ahead of or tied with the Jets. The Raiders would win the tiebreak over the Jets by virtue of a victory over the Jets earlier this season.
Still crunching the numbers to see how the Raiders would fare in a three-way tie with the Jets and Bengals. If that happens, the tiebreak is strength of victory.
“It would be easy to go in the tank and say, ‘We blew our opportunity,’ ” Raiders quarterback Carson Palmer said, “but we have a good group of leadership and we understand where we are. Obviously, we desperately needed this win. It didn’t work out. But we’ve got two big games left, and who knows what happens with other teams. We need help, obviously.”
PALMER’S BIG GAME
Palmer rebounded from, perhaps, his worst game as a Raider with his best. He completed 32 of 40 passes for 367 yards and two touchdowns.
Two of Palmer’s incompletions came on spikes late in the first half. However, two of Palmer’s six other incompletions came at critical junctures.
On one play, Palmer sailed a ball over the head of wide receiver Denarius Moore, who ran past a Lions cornerback — the defender fell on his face — and into the open in the end zone.
Then, late in the game, Palmer’s deep pass for receiver Chaz Schilens hit off Schilens’ hand on a third-and-three play. That not only stopped the clock, when the Lions were out of time-outs, but it passed as a bit ambitious when the Raiders needed only 3 yards for a first down.
From there, the Raiders could have run out most of the clock. As it turned out, the Raiders punted and gave the Lions one more opportunity, which they cashed in with a game-winning drive.
Palmer said he still was thinking about his two overthrows after the game.
“Absolutely. Absolutely. The third down to Chaz, where I put too much on the ball,” Palmer said, “I need to give him a better chance to make a play on it. That’s a game-changing play.
“I had another one early on in the game to Denarius that I wish I would have hit. And that’s why I said, we just didn’t make enough plays and I didn’t make enough plays to give us a chance to put them away.”
PENALTIES KEEP PILING UP
Jackson ripped into his players earlier this week about eliminating some of the penalties that surfaced game after game. Palmer and other players said they received the message and understood the importance of playing “smarter” football.
The Raiders went a long time without any penalties Sunday and even made it into the locker room at halftime with only three for 15 yards.
However, by game’s end the final tally looked pretty similar to other games. The Raiders finished with 10 for 86, including a personal foul on linebacker Aaron Curry for celebrating too much after his fumble return for a touchdown.
That forced the Raiders to kick off from their own 20-yard line and made it easier for the Lions to score a touchdown on the ensuing possession.
HEYWARD-BEY’S BIG GAME
Wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey caught a career-high eight passes for 155 yards and one touchdown. Like Palmer, his performance was overshadowed by a couple of plays.
Heyward-Bey fumbled at the end of a 29-yard reception late in the third quarter, with the Raiders leading 17-14 and driving for another score. He also dropped a pass on Oakland’s final drive, when the Raiders were working their way toward better field position for a potential Janikowski field goal.
“I would’ve liked our chances better there,” Jackson said. “You got to make those plays. It goes back to the same thing. If you don’t make those plays, then you lose. And we didn’t make ‘em. And we had our chances. We can point to three plays. You can point to that one, you can point to the fumble going in.”
Heyward-Bey seemed to take no solace in his impressive overall performance.
“I don’t think about what kind of game I played,” Heyward-Bey said. “I just think about how we lost.”
QUESTIONABLE CALLS BY JACKSON
Jackson is fond of saying he lives life on the edge. The downside is, of course, there’s always the risk of falling off.
On Sunday, Jackson passed on a 42-yard field-goal attempt in favor of a pass for Moore on fourth-and-one. Hard to fault Jackson, given Moore was wide open and the play should have resulted in a touchdown.
However, a field goal at that point would have changed the complexion of the game in the fourth quarter. Same goes for Jackson’s decision to go for the extra point, when the Raiders scored a touchdown to make it 26-14. A two-point coversion would have given the Raiders a 14-point lead.
“You just kick it, you go for one,” Jackson said. “There’s a time to go for two and there’s a time … to me, I thought going for one in that situation is the right thing to do, OK?”
OK, Sir.
Palmer said he isn’t one to second-guess a coach.
“I never question coach,” Palmer said. “He knows what he’s doing. It’s easy to say, Monday morning quarterback, to look back and say, shoulda done this, shoulda done that, or second guess things. We thought after that, offensively, we’d just stay on the field and the game’s over. And we didn’t stay on the field.”
As for the fourth-down call, Jackson said the real question is, why didn’t the officials call a penalty on the Lions.
“I thought that was a penalty,” Jackson said. “Obviously, they didn’t call it. What I saw, from what my vantage point is, I seen the guy grab, kind of hook Denarius.”
Regardless, Jackson feels as if he made the proper call.
“You have to take that shot,” Jackson said. “It looked … and the guy was wide open. If you’re going to do it, it’s good to do it early in the game so it doesn’t determine the outcome of the game. Obviously, every play now will get questioned (saying) that is the reason why we did or didn’t win, but we’re going to stay aggressive. We took a shot there. I thought we had a good chance at it but we didn’t hit it. We came up short.”
SEYMOUR REBOUNDS
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour recorded no tackles his past two games and only one the past five games. On Sunday, he posted two tackles and batted away a pass on a third-down play.
On several other plays, Seymour penetrated the Lions offensive line and pressured Stafford. He might not have had the big game that defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan predicted but he certainly made his presence felt.
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December 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
Go Raiders
December 18th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
CAN READ ANYMORE….WHERE IS THE VODKA….!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
How the fukk do you call a Cover 2 Zone when Johnson has killed you all game AND your down to your 4th string safety. (Boyd)
Defenses that run the Tampa 2 have good safeties, safeties that can run & cover, BUT EVEN THEN, they don’t use it in situations like that, it’s just too easy.
With God as my witness, when the Lions were down inside our 10, I said to my son that Stafford would run it into the end zone on the next play. The Lions call a timeout and when they came back to the line, the Raiders front had a huge gap right in the middle.
Stafford walks in.
Keep Al Saunders, make him the OC and get rid of Hue Jackson & Chuck Bresnahan.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
LEFTY, hope you and you family have a safe and joyous holiday…AP77….
December 18th, 2011 at 8:02 pm
Credit to our oline. They played damn good today
December 18th, 2011 at 8:05 pm
now hue is blaming the refs for not calling a penalty. i thought u wouldnt blame the refs hue. looks like ol boy is finally seeing how things are done here now. funny how all of a sudden he thinks the officiating isnt up to par.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:06 pm
FIRE CHUKY B and RELEASE ROUTT!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Autopalm77 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
LEFTY, hope you and you family have a safe and joyous holiday…AP77….
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Thanks,same to you and all Raider fans everywhere.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Sit Mclain, please, we aint stopping anybody anyways.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:09 pm
Armond,last week he made the comment that every week he sees things he has never seen in all his years in football.I think he sees the light.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
san diego is taking care of ravens.
now that’s how you take advantage of your oportunities.
chargers may win the afc west.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
The panic on here is hilarious. This defense is not playoff-caliber worthy. Our DBs are not even NFL level right now. It’s funny hearing you guys talk about cutting Routt, when he’s our only decent CB. Who cares if he PI’d Calvin at the end?? Does anyone actually think we were going to stop them??
December 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
Believe it or not, it’s still possible for the Raiders to make the playoffs. They have to beat KC and SD and the Jets have to lose once more.
But after the past three weeks, it’s fair to wonder if the Raiders will win 1 of 2, let alone both.
Most devastating loss since the Super Bowl fiasco. More to say in the morning, but I’m out for now
December 18th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
The bikini waxer just can’t admit he is a stupid moron.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:14 pm
Sorry about that, correction: Cincinnati and the Jets each need to lose once and the Raiders have to win both.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
Why would we cut our best CB by far?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
is it me or were we running the ball down their throat on the last drive and decided to throw the ball when weneeded 3 yards,even if we do not make it the clock goes down to the ,2 minute warning.that gave them an extra timeout and 45 seconds and they scored with 39 seconds.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
lefty it was only a matter of time. however i think its weak on his part now cuz he siad it was a bunch of hoopla. sorry but i dont feel sorry for ya hue. u been fuggin up all season. get it 2gether while u still have a chance.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:12 pm
The panic on here is hilarious. This defense is not playoff-caliber worthy. Our DBs are not even NFL level right now. It’s funny hearing you guys talk about cutting Routt, when he’s our only decent CB. Who cares if he PI’d Calvin at the end?? Does anyone actually think we were going to stop them??
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These guys want to cut half the team and fire the coaches every week.I’m just thankful they have no say about anything to do with the team.That being said,I’d love to pick up a paper tomorrow and read that Bresnahan has been let go.LOL
December 18th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
LOL, we can actually still win the division if we beat KC & SD and KC beats Denver in the last week of the season.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
joetoronto Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Keep Al Saunders, make him the OC and get rid of Hue Jackson & Chuck Bresnahan.
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Saunders isn’t a motivator. You’ve got to be street tough to coach in Oakland.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:20 pm
20,
We’re not out of it. You’re right.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Hue called a good game except that 3rd and 3 called,but you can not live on the edge when your defense sucks at the end of games.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
What is absolutely incredible to me, is that we are still in the run to make the playoffs. After losing this past 3 games I don’t think we deserve to be in, but the fact that we still have a chance is beyond me.
This was a tough loss, but really, aren’t we all used to it by now. It stings for a while, but soon you realize you’ve been through this before and simply get over it. At least that is how it works for me.
I’m not saying that I don’t care, because I do, a whole lot. I’m simply saying that I’ve come to realize that getting all bent out of shape and pissssed off about it does absolutely nothing for me, or the team. In fact, it has no effect what so ever how I feel after a game. The Raiders will be the Raiders, and if I want to be a fan, I have to take in both the good and the bad. And realize that I am just a fan, and as such, if I am so deeply affected by the outcome of a game, all I can do is either stop watching the games, or stop rooting for the team. And honestly, neither will happen.
So, after a loss like this, I’ve simply learned to take a deep breath, remember the bed and breakfast season, Kiffin era, and Javon Walker like moves of the past, and say to myself, it could be worse. Hey, after all, at least we can say there’s still a chance to make the playoffs. As incredible and undeserving as that may be.
But as always, GO RAIDERS!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
Yeah, the only thing that needs to happen is that Bres needs to get fired, now. If we don’t make the playoffs, then we can look at letting go of Hue. But really, if there’s no sure thing good coach to replace him, what’s the point?
My guess is that Hue gets one more year. Then, a coach may be more inclined to take the job once they have an actual draft.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
San Diego whipping Baltimore. We’ll finish 7-9 and and in last place in the AFC West. Next year, every team in our division will get better and we’ll get worse. Need to clean house and start with a new GM and an entire new coaching staff. No more affirmative action hires.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
OMG….This team absolutely sucks.The defense can’t stop anyone, the offense squanders chance after chance. Heck the only good thing about this team is the FG kicker and the punter. What a “tease” HueJAX.
That “bully” you’re building keeps getting sand kicked in his face and his girl stolen.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:22 pm
Every coach we see vast improvement from is a toughie. Gruden. Cable. Now Jackson. It’s not just a coincidence. Madden had the respect of his players too. Al Saunders? lol. Mike White all over again. No thanks.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:23 pm
if we can not win it does not matter who loses.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
Keep Al Saunders, make him the OC and get rid of Hue Jackson & Chuck Bresnahan
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Ummm, isn’t Saunders the RAIDERS OC?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Worst. Defensive. Backfield. Ever.
Worst. Rolando. McClain. missed. tackle. Ever.
Worst. Defensive. Coordinator. Ever.
Injuries to Ford and Dmac effectively ended our season weeks ago. With those guys we had a chance to just put up a million points and protect this defense.
I cannot imagine being at that game today. What a depressing let down that had to be 99fn yards? Really? Same old Raiders Fellas..see you next year.
I can’t believe we missed the playoffs, but injuries de-railed this season. We need a complete defensive overhaul or the same thing will happen to us again next year. Don’t look now but KC, Denver, and Sandy Eggo are starting to look real good.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
20, We’re in it, but are we really? We can finish dead last, too
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
wish al was still here, heads would roll
December 18th, 2011 at 8:27 pm
I thought we had brought back Rex Ryan today.
Our blitzes had Stafford confused, and then when the game was on the line, we stopped blitzing.
Stupid.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
303.DKnight007 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
Bring in Steve Spagnolo or Jack Del Rio as DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR!!
FIRE Chuck B as soon as the Raiders are eliminated from the playoffs!!
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Chuck B shoulda been fired as soon as Detroit got the ball at the 1 with no timeouts left.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Wish Al was still here? Isn’t 9 straight years of horrible defense enough?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
MikieG Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Worst. Defensive. Backfield. Ever.
Worst. Rolando. McClain. missed. tackle. Ever.
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While it is pretty bad to get juked by the QB, I can’t totally fault McClain on that one. He had to sell out if he was going to get Stafford behind the 1st down marker. If he breaks down to make the tackle, and Stafford squirms to barely get the 1st down, then we’re ripping him for not destroying the QB. It was a tough play. D-line has to get a hand on him.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:30 pm
yeah like todays zone was any better
December 18th, 2011 at 8:31 pm
I don’t know what to say anymore. This team is still stuck in the Al Davis culture. This was probably the worst Raider loss since the Super Bowl. Bresnehan is Al’s boy. He needs to get the f*ck out now. Hue can go too. I don’t care.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Olinesux Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
wish al was still here, heads would roll
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Laughable! This loss was Al’s fault.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
chuck Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
is it me or were we running the ball down their throat on the last drive and decided to throw the ball when weneeded 3 yards,even if we do not make it the clock goes down to the ,2 minute warning.that gave them an extra timeout and 45 seconds and they scored with 39 seconds
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That was the game breaker, horrendous play calling by Hue. WTF was he thinking?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
sure it was, uh he isnt here anymore…
December 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Sit Mclain, please, we aint stopping anybody anyways.
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Ur crazy he’s been playing good last few games. I guess you you people gonna blame McClain for this loss get a clue people.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
San Diego can still win the AFC West. LOL
December 18th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
no way chucky b plays zone if al was here….raiders win this.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
NFL.com is now reporting that running back Darren McFadden will likely not be back until 2012 with a foot injury, though it won’t require surgery.
And Kim Jong ll just died…
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
I don’t know if you guys saw it or not, but during Det last drive, in the first play that went incomplete because the receiver dropped the short pass, they showed Hue kinda pisssed going up to Bresnahan’s face and you could lip read he was saying, “how could you leave him wide open?” speaking of the guy that dropped the ball, because he was really wide open and if he had catch the ball he could have gone 20 yds or so.
Only reason I bring this up is because I think Bresnahan will be let go in offseason if not before. Hue will stay, you can count on that. He is the reason Carson is here, and it wouldn’t make sense for him to be fired unless they let go of Carson as well. And realistically, that is not going to happen. Not with how much we paid for him.
The downside to this is that the new GM might want to bring in his own guy, and if the Raiders tell him that he can’t because Hue has another year at least, we might be hard pressed to find a good GM.
This are the Raiders of our lifes.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
jmcclain Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Sit Mclain, please, we aint stopping anybody anyways.
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Ur crazy he’s been playing good last few games. I guess you you people gonna blame McClain for this loss get a clue people.
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Uh, I don’t know what games you’ve been watching the last few weeks but McClain has sucked.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Rivers is showing tonight what an elite QB is all about. He’s putting on a clinic. Palmer is a QB that is full of excuses, regardless of stats, he doesn’t have what is needed to win this year, next year or anytime. HueSux is a sorry excuse for a HC and is a worst GM.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
who is this mcfadden guy? oh yeah the guy that listens to his agent instead of helping this team out….
December 18th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Gerard,
It’s simple. Cable had a better defense last year that closed out games under John Marshall. The stats prove that!
Huey got stuck with some slap head azz face like Chuck Bresnahan to run the D from the UFL??
December 18th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
Nothing good happens until all of Al’s hires are gone. That includes Chucky and the bikini wax gnome.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Cry Me a Rivers is a LOSER and so is Norv Turner and the Chargers!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Look, there were a multitude of factors that led to today’s loss – bad game management, a couple missed passes, a fumble, etc. But the overall take-away from this season is that the defense is horrible in the 4th quarter. In seemingly every game, our defense just gives the game away at the end or makes it an unnecessary nailbiter. It all started in Buffalo. This season has been one big re-run.
Honestly, there’s no way we can win a Super Bowl with this team, so I can’t really get that upset. If anything, there’s a positive, and it means that we still have a 1st rounder in 2013.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
wow, Al Davis, Kim Jong Il, Osama, Ghadafi, who’s next? Castro or 0b@m@?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
The downside to this is that the new GM might want to bring in his own guy, and if the Raiders tell him that he can’t because Hue has another year at least, we might be hard pressed to find a good GM.
This are the Raiders of our lifes.
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It would be a mistake if the owner hired a GM that didn’t have the authority to dismiss Jackson immediately. I would like to give the guy another year but if the GM says no way he should be gone.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
# EMRaiders Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
I don’t know if you guys saw it or not, but during Det last drive, in the first play that went incomplete because the receiver dropped the short pass, they showed Hue kinda pisssed going up to Bresnahan’s face and you could lip read he was saying, “how could you leave him wide open?” speaking of the guy that dropped the ball, because he was really wide open and if he had catch the ball he could have gone 20 yds or so.
Only reason I bring this up is because I think Bresnahan will be let go in offseason if not before. Hue will stay, you can count on that. He is the reason Carson is here, and it wouldn’t make sense for him to be fired unless they let go of Carson as well. And realistically, that is not going to happen. Not with how much we paid for him.
The downside to this is that the new GM might want to bring in his own guy, and if the Raiders tell him that he can’t because Hue has another year at least, we might be hard pressed to find a good GM.
This are the Raiders of our lifes.
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The GM should be ready to turn the defense around and bring in a solid DC and the evaluate how Hue does in his 2nd year as a head coach with a REAL D Coordinator!
If Hue doesn’t improve next year with a better DC and hopefully better play from the defense….then I’m sure the knew GM, will replace Hue.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Ur crazy he’s been playing good last few games. I guess you you people gonna blame McClain for this loss get a clue people.
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Uh, I don’t know what games you’ve been watching the last few weeks but McClain has sucked.
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Half the people in this blog have lost there minds. I wonder if half of you understand what’s goin on. You hate and that’s all you guys do. Get a clue people and by the way I’ve seen every game. The secondary got scorched for 200 + yds by one guy but according to you people it’s mcclains fault lmfao whatever.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
Today’s game can be described in one word…”Almost”.
1. Hue Jack – Had a good day except for not going for 2 points imo. I have no problem with the 4th down and 3rd down plays. The WR was open so the right play was called.
2. DHB – This was the best way to deploy DHB. I loved everything they did with him today in terms of short passing routes and he had a huge day except for that one fumble.
3. CP3 – Had a wonderful day except for 3 plays. He missed 2 throws and hung on to the ball too long for that final drive where he got sacked.
4. Chucky/D – They had a pretty good game plan overall except the few plays where they let 81 run full speed out of the slot and being covered by 2 safeties and another time by a MLB and safety.
All in all. We almost had it but it is what it is. Let’s go KC and Kyle Orton. Kyle will look for revenge against the Broncos. As bad as it was today, we still need KC to beat Denver regardless. Even if we won today, we still at least needed KC to beat Denver.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
I can’t believe McFadden has been out this long. They are either lying about the injury or McFadden is being a pu$$y. It’s crazy to think that Carson hasn’t even played with McFadden. We need to see what he can do with McFadden in the backfield before we pass ful judgment on Carson. Anyone really think Soup could carry this team with Bush as the only RB? He got to play with McFadden when he was killing it.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:44 pm
# jmcclain Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
Ur crazy he’s been playing good last few games. I guess you you people gonna blame McClain for this loss get a clue people.
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Uh, I don’t know what games you’ve been watching the last few weeks but McClain has sucked.
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Half the people in this blog have lost there minds. I wonder if half of you understand what’s goin on. You hate and that’s all you guys do. Get a clue people and by the way I’ve seen every game. The secondary got scorched for 200 + yds by one guy but according to you people it’s mcclains fault lmfao whatever.
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I agree. Most on this blog can’t think rationale.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Zopi Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Rivers is showing tonight what an elite QB is all about. He’s putting on a clinic. Palmer is a QB that is full of excuses, regardless of stats, he doesn’t have what is needed to win this year, next year or anytime. HueSux is a sorry excuse for a HC and is a worst GM.
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Chargers have nice uniforms as well.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
@55
AD is not dead, he’s flying around in a UFO over Vegas sippin gin and tonic with Elvis.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
Doesn’t matter what the other teams do…we’re not winning another game this year.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Look, there were a multitude of factors that led to today’s loss – bad game management, a couple missed passes, a fumble, etc. But the overall take-away from this season is that the defense is horrible in the 4th quarter. In seemingly every game, our defense just gives the game away at the end or makes it an unnecessary nailbiter. It all started in Buffalo. This season has been one big re-run.
Honestly, there’s no way we can win a Super Bowl with this team, so I can’t really get that upset. If anything, there’s a positive, and it means that we still have a 1st rounder in 2013.
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My bad. McClain’s the best MLB since Dick Butkis and Ray Lewis.
Myopian.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
SD will not go anywhere this year. We will beat them. We match up very well against them. We also match up very well against Orton. It’s all down to KC vs Den imo.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Raiders For Life Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:46 pm
@55
AD is not dead, he’s flying around in a UFO over Vegas sippin gin and tonic with Elvis.
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Howard Hughes onboard too.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Look, there were a multitude of factors that led to today’s loss – bad game management, a couple missed passes, a fumble, etc. But the overall take-away from this season is that the defense is horrible in the 4th quarter. In seemingly every game, our defense just gives the game away at the end or makes it an unnecessary nailbiter. It all started in Buffalo. This season has been one big re-run.
Honestly, there’s no way we can win a Super Bowl with this team, so I can’t really get that upset. If anything, there’s a positive, and it means that we still have a 1st rounder in 2013.
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My bad. McClain’s the best MLB since Dick Butkis and Ray Lewis.
Myopian.
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Huh? What are you referring to?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Darn it. First AD died. Now they just annouced that Kim Jung Il is also dead.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Let’s see…SD is whipping Ray Lewis and KC beat GB, but we will beat both of those teams. Got it.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
I think there is a much better chance of last place now, unfortunately. 7-9 gets us last place! Good grief! I feel like Charlie Brown!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
KC picked up a game on us, SD is in the process of doing the same, Denver remains in 1st.
We’re going backwards.
Jackson gambled our future on Palmer and lost.
He had too much power and no idea what to do with it.
Granted, mathematically we still have a shot, but for all intents and purposes, our season is over.
Next year our future looks pretty bleak, with so few options at our disposal.
We hire a GM, let him pick a new HC and let that HC hire a staff.
Get through next year as best we can, with what we’ve got and do some serious rebuilding in 13.
It breaks my heart that we had such high expectations and will end up exactly where we left off last year.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
Ur crazy he’s been playing good last few games. I guess you you people gonna blame McClain for this loss get a clue people.
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Uh, I don’t know what games you’ve been watching the last few weeks but McClain has sucked.
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Half the people in this blog have lost there minds. I wonder if half of you understand what’s goin on. You hate and that’s all you guys do. Get a clue people and by the way I’ve seen every game. The secondary got scorched for 200 + yds by one guy but according to you people it’s mcclains fault lmfao whatever.
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My bad. McClain’s the best MLB since Dick Butkis and Ray Lewis.
Myopian.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:48 pm
Crimedog Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Look, there were a multitude of factors that led to today’s loss – bad game management, a couple missed passes, a fumble, etc. But the overall take-away from this season is that the defense is horrible in the 4th quarter. In seemingly every game, our defense just gives the game away at the end or makes it an unnecessary nailbiter. It all started in Buffalo. This season has been one big re-run.
Honestly, there’s no way we can win a Super Bowl with this team, so I can’t really get that upset. If anything, there’s a positive, and it means that we still have a 1st rounder in 2013.
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My bad. McClain’s the best MLB since Dick Butkis and Ray Lewis.
Myopian.
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Huh? What are you referring to?
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Correction made
December 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Granted, mathematically we still have a shot, but for all intents and purposes, our season is over.
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How so? We are exactly where we are at even if we won today. If we won today, we’d still be losing the tiebreaker to Denver if we both win out. I dont see Denver losing to Buff. Do you?
If we win out, KC and SD are toast. Then it is down to KC vs Den for the last game of the year. KC wins, we go. KC loses, we are done.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
Aig, Part of me wishes Denver would have just ended it for us today. I am emotionally spent, a diehard that is so fed up of losers (esp. on defense). I don’t know if I will even get fired up on Christmas Eve. Don’t want to ruin the Holidays. 0-3 in December. Effin’ shame!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:52 pm
ive been saying all along dmc is looking out for himself only….listening to his agent talk all the nonsense about not hurting himself further and saving it for his next contract same thing with ford, it permeates this new generation of players…
December 18th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
Hue can eat Deez Nuts!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I am Spartacus Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:49 pm
Let’s see…SD is whipping Ray Lewis and KC beat GB, but we will beat both of those teams. Got it.
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Yes we will. It’s all about match ups of pretty much the same players. We have matched up well against SD the last few years. Dont believe me. Look it up. We match up very well against Orton. Dont believe me. Look it up.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Oldschoolraider…a man who sees clearly. But we’re worse off than we were last year. Every team in our division will get better next year…with no draft picks, we’ll be worse.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
I agree that Norv and the dolts are losers, but they just made up 3 games on the Raiders in 3 weeks, and by the way, it looks like the dolts just laid 38 points on BMore’s defense, what do you think they’re going to lay on the Raiders that can’t seem to stop any one?
The Raiders have one of the worst head coaches in NFL history. HueSux has a big ego and is arrogant, and not head coaching material. Too bad, because this Raiders team has been dragged down by an incompetent fool full of hot air.
Look what a change of coaching did to the chefs, do you really think the Raiders are going anywhere but down in KC next week? And there’s no way the Raiders stop the dolts offense. So, it’s 7-9, that is a one way ticket out of Oaktown for HueSux.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Beach,
I hear you. It sucks going almost a month without a win. However, we would still need help even if we won today. If we won today, Den still holds 1st place due to tiebreakers. It is all down to KC vs Den.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
It’s fitting that Kim Jong Il died the same year as Al Davis.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:55 pm
Hue has not achieved much in his first season as Head Coach. He did NOTHING to change the penalty problem, which is a sign of somebody that is not a leader!
December 18th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
AIG, That is IF we beat the Chiefs next game.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
it looks like the dolts just laid 38 points on BMore’s defense, what do you think they’re going to lay on the Raiders that can’t seem to stop any one?
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Even when we had Jamarcus, we were always playing close with SD. I believe that was when SD was at teh top of their game. You guys keep on forgetting that it all boils down to match ups. Some teams match up well against another. Who exactly thought that KC would beat the crap out of GB today?
December 18th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Suddenly the Chargirls are a threat. Denver was exposed big time today as were the Jets. The Bungles barely beat the Rams. Man what a wasted opportunity! WTF? Just have no words to explain the frustration. Buh bye Bresnahan it’s been miserable knowing ya.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Still feel sick that this one got away,
There going to go at Calvin Johnson,
Calvins going to get it,
some one stay on Calvin,
Hue?
Chuck?
Anyone in the secondary Get the fck on Calvin Johnson… !!!!!!!!!!
Nek-minnit
200 YARDS…..2 SCORES..
December 18th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Beach,
We always we play well in KC. KC always play well in Oak. I’m talking the last few years. Dont know what it is but that’s how it has been the last few years.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Every team in our division will get better next year…with no draft picks, we’ll be worse.
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If the Raiders have a more reasonable injury situation next year they will also be better. I would also expect to improve defensively with a top notch D coordinator being hired in the offseason.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Chiefs Defense holds Steelers to 13 and Packers to 14 points.
Chargers mowing through the Ravens.
The Raiders will have a hard time beating these teams.
December 18th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Matchups, huh? How about being outplayed, outhustled, outplanned and outcoached? Every team in our division is on an upswing and Denver has effectively a two-game lead.
I’ve been hearing the same crap from all the pollyannas for three weeks. But just say Code Black often enough and everything will be alright.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
This defense has f’ed us all year. That and the injuries to our playmakers…If we have even an AVERAGE defense were in the playoffs.
Complete overhaul is essential.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:00 pm
It breaks my heart that we had such high expectations and will end up exactly where we left off last year.
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And just what were your expectations before the season started?Most people were saying 9-7 would be a good year.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:01 pm
Am Spartacus Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:54 pm
Oldschoolraider…a man who sees clearly. But we’re worse off than we were last year. Every team in our division will get better next year…with no draft picks, we’ll be worse.
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I don’t really agree that because we have no draft picks (although we proably will get a 3rd/4th) that we will automatically be worse next year. Our offense is fairly set, with McFadden hopefully being healthy next year. I think a competent D-coordinator with some new DBs (or at least more experience for guys like DVD and Chekwa), plus the return of Sho-Nasty, and our D will be improved.
This team is actually pretty talented. The coaching needs to get better.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
in buffalo cj37 drops an int in the end zone which would have ended the game. today Our 1st round mlb has the opportunity to end the game by tackling an average speed QB on 4th down and missed. playoff teams have players who make plays..
December 18th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
1st – I am not a code black guy on here. Never was and never will be.
2nd – Yes, it is all down to match ups. Some players match up better against one team vs another. Why was it that the Raiders under Jamarcus was able to play SD close when they were at their peak? SD was a huge match up problem for Peyton during his peak. LT always matched up well against the Raiders and he had his career yds vs one team (Raiders).
December 18th, 2011 at 9:03 pm
Chucky B is way over his head as a DC. He will be fired. Don’t even want to waste my thoughts on him.
Routt-Man you are making top corner coin, you need to shut down #1’s. These are the games I wish we had aso.
ROMAC- The guy is a step to slow and has no insticts and always guesses wrong. He is a better fit for a 3-4 where he has less responsibilities.
Glass Shilens-You need to make that catch!
Hue-If we convert on that 3rd and 3 we win. Go with the higher percentage play and hit a quick route for 4 yds, game over. Not saying its givin, but we dont need the home run ball at that point.
DHB-Great game! Big Heart! Protect the Rock!
The most disappointing game since the SB.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Shifting to Bowl Game Mode. Raiders have no chance of beating SD and I doubt they will beat KC on the road. They don’t have the coaches or the players. They are a dumpster fire on defense. Out smarted, outcoached, out studied and outmatched
December 18th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Chucky B is an Al Davis pick. Hue will get his own DC next year. Hopefully a 3-4 dude from Balt.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
All things being equal, matchups may matter. But this team is done without the heart, character, courage or leadership to overcome adversity.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Marcel Reece started livley..
Nek minnit..
i dont see him again..
Also
Memo to Hue,
DO NOT use Rock cartwright on a KR ever again..
Looking Ford to your return
see what i did there.
clever
im rambling,
this loss has lasting effects.
why dont you get anutha PI stanford..
pathetic
December 18th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
Chucky B is an Al Davis pick. Hue will get his own DC next year. Hopefully a 3-4 dude from Balt.
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I’ll take Del Rio as a DC.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
Our 1st round mlb has the opportunity to end the game by tackling an average speed QB on 4th down and missed.
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Romac coming in to make the play
Nek Minnit
Whiffed arm tackle
1st down.
Game over
December 18th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
- Hue made a lot of mistakes this year on the field, but he deserves another year at least. Al passed away, JCamp got hurt, DMac lost for the entire second half, breaking in a new QB midseason. Just too many obstacles to overcome for a rook boss on the sidelines.
– Chuck B does not deserve another chance. We need a D boss who can actually game plan for an opponent and not let the best player destroy us in single coverage. The D plan on Calvin today was atrocious. We need a coach who can get the players to know where they should be on the field. How many coverages have the Raiders blown this year? At some point the coaches have to coach these guys up. This D does not have elite talent, but should at least be middle of the pack.
– WTF is a blindside block? Boyd hit the guy in the shoulder and not the back. Have never seen that call before. Same drive pick on Chaz who caught the freaking ball! Never seen that either.
– I recall three times this year throwing the ball deep in the waning minutes of Q4 (Jets, Houston, Detroit) and not once completing it. Why are we trying such low percentage passes? I had no problem with passing on that down, but give CP something easier. That being said either CP or Chaz could have stepped up and made a game clinching play.
– Hue should of called a TO right after that bomb to Calvin. Time was no longer a factor for Detroit, but lost 30 precious seconds.
– I disagree the Raiders have a bleak future. Give CP an off season with Moore/Ford/DHB get DMac back and hire a real D coach. This season has been to0 up and down with a rookie coach and Al’s passing. The team has solid pieces to win now.
One Nation Baby…
December 18th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Marcel Reece started livley..
Nek minnit..
i dont see him again..
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Saw him limping in the 2nd., maybe he got hurt again.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:10 pm
How many times do I have to say this…Hue is an Al pick, too. Neither guy will ever coach again in the NFL once they get fired. It should be left up to the GM to clean house, if he so chooses.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
106.silverback Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Marcel Reece started livley..
Nek minnit..
i dont see him again..
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Saw him limping in the 2nd., maybe he got hurt again.
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Oh true… Missed that..
Taiwan Jones really missing out on some snaps..
He would have got some real burn..
December 18th, 2011 at 9:11 pm
Who would have thought we would finish 7-9? It is starting to look like a very big possibility. Hell, we could finish last place still.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Jackson gambled our future on Palmer and lost.
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I’m not sure if I agree with that statement.
Palmer had a pretty fkn good game today.
Hue traded away some potential good draft picks but when Jcamp went down what other choice did he have? RAIDERS looked like they were contenders when Camp went down and I think Hue made the right decision to go get the best starting QB available.
I think the season would have been lost a lot sooner if Boller was QB, I also think it was a good idea to keep Pryor on the sideline.
If the RAIDERS keep Pryor quiet and let him learn from JC and CP hopefully he becomes the QB of the future.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
That would make you happy wouldn’t it alias.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:13 pm
Has anyone heard Hue’s presser, I wonder if it’s the same old b.s. he pulls every week.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
rivers and orton panic against tight man to man defense. Routt played good today but when he didnt it was zone coverage….you guys need to realize zone defense sux…when the raiders play it they give up more plays than with man.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
Yes
He looked like he was lying
or had guilt written across his face
Same Ol Same
its on me carry on.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
This loss was so devastating not even MR has shown up.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:16 pm
LOL-you are here now—.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:15 pm
This loss was so devastating not even MR has shown up.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Here is how we did the last 3 years @ KC and vs SD at home.
2008 @ KC W 23-8, vs SD L 18-28
2009 @ KC W 13-10, vs SD L 20-24
2010 @ KC W 31-10, vs SD W 35-27
December 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Ladies and Gentleman your starting MLB for 2012 is Travis Goethel- ROMAC you had the chance to tackle Stafford to win the game and you….. whiffed.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:19 pm
OK. Had a few hours to chill and get over this one somewhat.
What’s done is done. Should have won that game. I feel like we outplayed Detroit and, much like the Buffalo game, there were numerous plays in the last 5 minutes where if we even got just one of them we win the game. That’s why they say the difference between 6-10 and 10-6 is often nothing more than a handful of plays.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:20 pm
Spagnuolo, Del Rio or a 3-4 guy out of Balt. I know Spag ran a 4-3 in NY and maybe can do the same here. But I think Wimbley would do very well being in the 3-4.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I honestly thought Jano would kick FG to win it an break the record, he always says he wants too..
This is the worst day since i found out Kobe was getting divorced…
Jokes !!!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:23 pm
So what I can rest my hat on is this: Win next week and we will be alive when we line up to play in Week 17, no matter what any other team does. Not that we’ll control our fate, but we’ll be very much alive heading into Week 17. After the last eight years, that’s still something to be excited about, in my opinion.
Remember, it’s about the journey and the disappointing days like this one and the ups and downs of this season are as much a part of that as the next time we hoist the Lombardi.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Ladies and Gentleman your starting MLB for 2012 is Travis Goethel- ROMAC you had the chance to tackle Stafford to win the game and you….. whiffed.
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You have lost ur mind, glad ur not making personal choices for this team. Didn’t Palmer have two wide open and I mean wide open recievers to throw it to. Please I’m gonna ask one more time does anyone in here no what there talking about.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Just choke Baby!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Hickery dickery dock
raiders were running out the clock
hue said no
we’re going to throw
now his @ss on chopping block!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
Blackmamba_20 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:22 pm
I honestly thought Jano would kick FG to win it an break the record, he always says he wants too..
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I thought so too. He’s been so money this season. And often when he nails these 55+ yard FGs he does so with plenty of room to spare. Too bad Suh was able to deflect that. Would’ve loved to have seen Jano take a run at it in that situation.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
Chris,your level-headedness and logical thinking have no place on here.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I dont think we have the personnel for a 3-4
Kelley NT Seymore
Bryant Shaunnesey
Moss Houston
Wimbley Goethel Mclame Curry
Shaunnesey’s and Houston’s role will be diminished in a 3-4 along with Kelley, also we need to get a large NT that can take on two blockers. Our personnel is more suited for a 4-3. We need a better MLB-ROMAC is simply not what I thought he was going to be out of college.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
I hope the players read this…I just want to say thank you for letting the chargers back in this division..you couldn’t hold on to a win to shut them down…now I hope denver can win one more game so we don’t have to watch the chargers in Jan. Being a Raider fan is getting harder and harder..Come on..Thanks for letting us down…
December 18th, 2011 at 9:27 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Ladies and Gentleman your starting MLB for 2012 is Travis Goethel- ROMAC you had the chance to tackle Stafford to win the game and you….. whiffed.
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Yeah, I totally knew that was going to be a QB draw there too as soon as I saw them spread the field and knowing our struggles when quarterbacks tuck it and run.
McClain should’ve sniffed that out.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
98 effin’ yards to a Detroit Lions QB? What an effin’ sick joke! I am deeply embarrassed to be a Raider fan!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
I’d rather see the Chargers in the playoffs than Denver.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
Romac coming in to make the play
Nek Minnit
Whiffed arm tackle
1st down.
Game over
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Seriously dude hahaha blame McClain WRONG!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:29 pm
Bresnehan should have been taken out to the parking lot after the game and beaten by Raider fans.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
Funny…how many other teams would be in position for a playoff run without thier starting QB, RB, WR. Imagine the cheats without Brady and Welker.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:30 pm
# jmcclain Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
Devilr8er Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
Ladies and Gentleman your starting MLB for 2012 is Travis Goethel- ROMAC you had the chance to tackle Stafford to win the game and you….. whiffed.
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You have lost ur mind, glad ur not making personal choices for this team. Didn’t Palmer have two wide open and I mean wide open recievers to throw it to. Please I’m gonna ask one more time does anyone in here no what there talking about.
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You must of watched todays game with rose colored glasses. McLame was a step to slow and the guy is constantly out of position. Goethel was a favorite of the coaching staff and it was rumored the Goethel would of got the starting job this year if not for his injury. Face it McLame should be on his way out, the guy cant cut it on the field or as a member of society.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
I agree Chris he should have sniffed that out, but that would assume he was smarter than a fifth grader. Maybe if he had brought his piece from alabama he might have made the play.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
Didn’t Palmer have two wide open and I mean wide open recievers to throw it to.
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Yup and he missed. Romac also had a chance to stop them and take the ball over and he screwed up on that whiff too. You are both correct.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
Hue Jackson lost this game in the first quarter, when he elected to NOT go for the field goal.
Wait, Hue lost it when he failed to go for 2 after Bush scored
No wait, Palmer lost it when he overthrew the pass to DMoore
No wait, Palmer lost this game when he overthrew schilens
No wait, Shilens lost when he did not MAKE THE PLAY
No wait, DHB lost this game when he fumbles the ball away to the 6 yd
No, no wait, Bresnahan lost this game when he decided to go to zone on the last drive. When on the drive where 51 scored on D they were play man
No wait, Al lost this game because he is still meddling from over yonder!
!@#$ %^& *()_+!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
With the defeatist attitude that is prevalent on here,I hope the players don’t read it and hope even more they don’t have the same attitude.If the players thought like most on here,they shouldn’t even bother playing games.Just say we forfeit all of our games before they are even played.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Aaron Curry is not smart. Born again Christians are such hypocrites. I don’t know his past, but for him to be upset at Raider fans unhappy about the loss is insane. So, you recovered a fumble in the end zone. But, in the end you gave up 2 galling TDs to lose the game. God is winning! Wow that is breaking news. Hey Curry, you and the Oakland Raiders are losing! So pull your head out and make more plays or go to another city!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Come on Lefty, It’s been a very long time since we’ve had players with a winning attitude. I totally disagree with your comment.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
but lefty they think worse….they dont care. Still get paid, dont wanna chance getting hurt and risking the check. Very few real players on this team
December 18th, 2011 at 9:39 pm
ABP, If we lose in KC, I hope San Diego wins out over Denver, too.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Lefty, we all bleed silver and black, but telling the truth is not defeatist. Ive been raiders fan 4 34 years! We have some talent but when the hc, dc, mlb are substandard and we have an opportunity like this wasted then we as fans have the right ( if not the obligation) to call it like we see it!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
k, ya’ll, here it is….. Ya got CJ, a horrible slug, takes a nig.a holiday cuz 2 hoes, his sister and mother, got popped by his sister’s baby’s daddy. CJ should know that too many mandingos at one place someone will get shot and killed. All the rest of these stank azz kunobies on the D are just like CJ. Wonder why we lost? If you are white you don’t know about Hue, a jive azz hoe himself, better be a preacher and pop all the lady parishoners. (by the way I wouldn’t doubt if Hue was slow kissin with CP.) Then ya have McClain, a subpar moron, slow azz mo fo, misses and quits when it counts. N’ I ask who the frig is Boyd, mo fo needs to be run outta town after he gets his nuts clipped. I say blow it up, blow it all up……fire everyone almost. I say hire the Shoreline Crips at $5M/per; we’ll put Raiders in the SuperBowl quick.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
No wait, Stanford (what a waste of money) Route lost this game when he started imitating Chris Johnson, and got toasted all day!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
Olinesux Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
but lefty they think worse….they dont care. Still get paid, dont wanna chance getting hurt and risking the check. Very few real players on this team
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I can’t believe they don’t care.They want to win just as much as we want them to-at least most of them do.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
I’ve been watching the kid the last few years and now I think DHB doe not have what it takes to be a go-to reciever in this league.
Fumble, Dropped pass when the game and field-goal range is on the line
December 18th, 2011 at 9:42 pm
Easy there Beach…all Christians are not hypocrites. The Raiders can make really upset. If our crazy Raiders can win these last 2 games maybe we will like them again. Merry Christmas Beach.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:43 pm
So many im POSTERS here its incredible…Calling out the players is so fukking lame…The team didn’t get the job done…COME ON…..McClain lead the team in tackles for the third week in a row…7 tackles, 2 assists, 1 sack and a forced fumble…Calling out DHB who played hard and had a great game because the ball was stripped…You guys just have your hard on for certain players and no matter what they do your going to complain…..GTFOH…!!!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
The last decade we have had me first type of players, that only care about their paychecks. We are starting to slowly turn that around. Veldheer and Wiz constantly stay after practice to perfect their craft. DHB has a strong work ethic. Houston and Sho have shown that strong work ethic on the defensive side. Hopefully we bring in more of those types of players to change the culture that has permeated this team for the last decade. Get rid of McLame and all those players who would rather play X-Box than study a playbook.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Aaron Curry is a warrior monk. I like the guy. Can’t handle his preaching but he has been a contributor.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
Al D. i’m just as ticked as anyone but to call someones dead mom and sister hoes is a bit much. As someone who lost his mom unexpectedly you should apologize for that one. c’mon man!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean all Christians. Merry Christmas, Goldie7! I remember Ghost to the Post on Christmas Eve 1977. Hopefully, we can get an exciting win in Kansas City this Christmas Eve.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
lefty i wanna believe that too but its not true anymore…this generation doesnt care how else can you explain mclain, currys comments, ford, dmc and jones chilling on the side? It aint just these guys….
December 18th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
# al d. davis Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
k, ya’ll, here it is….. Ya got CJ, a horrible slug, takes a nig.a holiday cuz 2 hoes, his sister and mother, got popped by his sister’s baby’s daddy. CJ should know that too many mandingos at one place someone will get shot and killed. All the rest of these stank azz kunobies on the D are just like CJ. Wonder why we lost? If you are white you don’t know about Hue, a jive azz hoe himself, better be a preacher and pop all the lady parishoners. (by the way I wouldn’t doubt if Hue was slow kissin with CP.) Then ya have McClain, a subpar moron, slow azz mo fo, misses and quits when it counts. N’ I ask who the frig is Boyd, mo fo needs to be run outta town after he gets his nuts clipped. I say blow it up, blow it all up……fire everyone almost. I say hire the Shoreline Crips at $5M/per; we’ll put Raiders in the SuperBowl quick.
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Dont know have the schit you said, but this has to be the post of the day!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
I like Curry, too. But why are these guys posting on Twitter after losing? That’s wrong!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
The embers glowed softly, and in their dim light,
I gazed round the room and I cherished the sight.
My wife was asleep, her head on my chest,
My daughter beside me, angelic in rest.
Outside the snow fell, a blanket of white,
Transforming the yard to a winter delight.
The sparkling lights in the tree I believe,
Completed the magic that was Christmas Eve.
My eyelids were heavy, my breathing was deep,
Secure and surrounded by love I would sleep.
In perfect contentment, or so it would seem,
So I slumbered, perhaps I started to dream.
The sound wasn’t loud, and it wasn’t too near,
But I opened my eyes when it tickled my ear.
Perhaps just a cough, I didn’t quite know, then the
sure sound of footsteps outside in the snow.
My soul gave a tremble, I struggled to hear,
And I crept to the door just to see who was near.
Standing out in the cold and the dark of the night,
A lone figure stood his face weary and tight.
A soldier, I puzzled, some twenty years old,
It had to be a Marine, huddled here in the cold.
Alone in the dark, he looked up and smiled,
Standing watch over me, and my wife and my child.
“What are you doing?” I asked without fear,
“Come in this moment, it’s freezing out here!
Put down your pack, brush the snow from your sleeve,
You should be at home on a cold Christmas Eve!”
For barely a moment I saw his eyes shift,
Away from the cold and the snow blown in drifts..
To the window that danced with a warm fire’s light
Then he sighed and he said “Its really all right,
I’m out here by choice. I’m here every night.”
“It’s my duty to stand at the front of the line,
That separates you from the darkest of times.
No one had to ask or beg or implore me,
I’m proud to stand here like my fathers before me.
My Gramps died at ‘Pearl on a day in December,”
Then he sighed, “That’s a Christmas ‘Gram always remembers.”
My dad stood his watch in the jungles of ‘Nam’,
And now it is my turn and so, here I am.
I’ve not seen my own son in more than a while,
But my wife sends me pictures, he’s sure got her smile.
Then he bent and he carefully pulled from his bag,
The red, white, and blue… an American flag.
I can live through the cold and the being alone,
Away from my family, my house and my home.
I can stand at my post through the rain and the sleet,
I can sleep in a foxhole with little to eat.
I can carry the weight of killing another,
Or lay down my life with my sister and brother..
Who stand at the front against any and all,
To ensure for all time that this flag will not fall.”
“So go back inside,” he said, “harbor no fright,
Your family is waiting and I’ll be all right.”
“But isn’t there something I can do, at the least,
“Give you money,” I asked, “or prepare you a feast?
It seems all too little for all that you’ve done,
For being away from your wife and your son. ”
Then his eye welled a tear that held no regret,
“Just tell us you love us, and never forget.
To fight for our rights back at home while we’re gone,
To stand your own watch, no matter how long.
For when we come home, either standing or dead,
To know you remember we fought and we bled.
Is payment enough, and with that we will trust,
That we mattered to you as you mattered to us.”
PLEASE, would you do me the kind favor of sending this to as many people as you can? Christmas will be coming soon and some credit is due to our U.S. service men and women for our being able to celebrate these festivities. Let’s try in this small way to pay a tiny bit of what we owe…..
Make people stop and think of our heroes, living and dead, who sacrificed themselves for us….
Life is what you make it, good or bad. If you have dealt with extreme adversity and can survive, life is worth living. Make it better by making it better for others….Have a safe and joyous Holiday Season…AP77
December 18th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
Oakland hired Bresnahan last month as a defensive assistant, but did not immediately specify his duties. Coach Hue Jackson said he had talked to some people outside the organization about the job, but stuck with a coach he had worked with before in Cincinnati.
“The fact that I’ve had the chance to be in defensive meetings with Chuck and watch him lead the defensive staff made it an easy decision to name him our defensive coordinator,” Jackson said in a statement. “I am impressed with his passion, attention to detail and energy. This staff gives us the opportunity to have one of the top defenses in the NFL.”
Of course, Bresnahan was hired by Al Davis, and so was HueSux and everybody else, but to say that Bresnahan is not HueSux boy is wrong. Either, HueSux was telling lies back in March to appease Mr. Davis, or he had something to do to promote Bresnahan from defensive assistant to coordinator. HueSux is in charge of players and coaches, but he can’t handle the job of preparing the team to play and coach a full game. But, he gives great speeches and sells it.
I wish that Mark Davis and Amy Trask had the wherewithal to fire HueSux and Bresnahan. Start fresh and get it done with a better and more professional staff. I would agree to keep all the former players now working as assistant coaches because that keeps the tradition, but maybe that’s the problem in itself, the reason why the Raiders can’t seem to get out of a losing culture.
And believe me, Palmer is a sure way to turn a team into the Cincinnati bungles, only adding to that culture. The problem now is the Raiders are stuck with Palmer for a few years now.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
“I would’ve liked our chances better there,” Jackson said. “You got to make those plays. It goes back to the same thing. If you don’t make those plays, then you lose. And we didn’t make ‘em. And we had our chances. We can point to three plays. You can point to that one, you can point to the fumble going in.” Hue.
Really u have no problem calling Dhb out, but u wont admit u made a dumb call not taking the 3. You wanna hold Dhb acountable but let most the team slide when we play like crap and get blown out. What ever happened to the fumble is on me, i didnt prepare the players good enough. Its on me. It seems to me Hue doesnt like Dhbeast dispite he is continuing to develope into a quality starter.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
If DHB doesn’t drop that pass at the end,the game is over.He wasn’t in FG range and more than likely the clock would have run out.Auto77 seems to have said it best-GTFOH.If you guys want to biotch and moan,at least don’t make sh!t up,try and look at things honestly.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
I do know one thing chuckie b couldn’t coach pee-wee!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
beach Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
I’m sorry. I didn’t mean all Christians. Merry Christmas, Goldie7! I remember Ghost to the Post on Christmas Eve 1977. Hopefully, we can get an exciting win in Kansas City this Christmas Eve.
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lol…That’s ok Beach. I’ll never forget the Raiders game Christmas Eve 1977. Absolutely, hopefully we can defeat the Chiefs, Christmas Eve.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
I’ve been watching the kid the last few years and now I think DHB doe not have what it takes to be a go-to reciever in this league.
Fumble, Dropped pass when the game and field-goal range is on the line
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You forgot to mention 8 receptions for 155 yds and a TD. AND…leading the team in receptions this year. Not bad for a kid that everyone wanted off the team.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
NEXT YEAR
Hue Jax will have hoefully learned from his bone headed game managment skills and improve…
Carson will have a better hold on the playbook and his teammates,; get better timing…
MAYBE,JUST MAYBE we can have a game with Mcfadden and Carson Palmer on the field at the same time…
As for the Defense hopefully we can make some free agent moves at Defensive Tackle and DBs/Safety/WLB
And maybe get rid of our patented prevent-defense
December 18th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
@162
Glad i aient the only one that noticed that. I was just about to say that
good eye
December 18th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
As a Raider fan for over 35+ I am sickened over today’s loss. Our team is not prepared to go to the playoffs. They are not disciplined. The coaches need to go to school and learn the game of football. They need to learn how to stay focused and keep the team focused. The coaches need to be on the same page with each other. I am shocked to see the Coliseum sell out each week with such a crappy team on the field. Our season is going down the toilet AGAIN like a trapped spider. I am madder than hell.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
I don’t know if we will have a Live Chat Saturday but Man ole Man there are gooooood games coming on Saturday. I need to get my snacks ready for some action on Christmas Eve. Yes indeed!
December 18th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Leaders take the blame. Winners don’t point fingers. Hue blamed everyone but himself. Nuff said.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:58 pm
You forgot to mention 8 receptions for 155 yds and a TD. AND…leading the team in receptions this year. Not bad for a kid that everyone wanted off the team.
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I’ll admit I was wrong about this kid. At first I wanted him out. The kid has shown tremendous growth due to his work ethic. He has shown heart after that concussion he could have sat out the next game, but instead he played his behind off. He will turn into our possesion receiver if he hasnt already.
December 18th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
With the defeatist attitude that is prevalent on here,I hope the players don’t read it and hope even more they don’t have the same attitude.If the players thought like most on here,they shouldn’t even bother playing games.Just say we forfeit all of our games before they are even played.
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Um, have you seen any of the Raider’s games during the last ten years?
Be realistic. This team sucks.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Bubbaisaraiderfan Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Leaders take the blame. Winners don’t point fingers. Hue blamed everyone but himself. Nuff said.
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Probably the same guy in here last week complaining about Hue saying the loss was on him.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Right on Oldtown! Lets get someone like fisher, cowher or comparablle in here to help turn a team with some talent into winners.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Bubba,while what you say is 100% correct,for weeks most on here have complained because HJ did exactly that.Putting the blame on DHB is pretty weak,especially with so much blame to go around.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:00 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:53 pm
I’ve been watching the kid the last few years and now I think DHB doe not have what it takes to be a go-to reciever in this league.
Fumble, Dropped pass when the game and field-goal range is on the line
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You forgot to mention 8 receptions for 155 yds and a TD. AND…leading the team in receptions this year. Not bad for a kid that everyone wanted off the team.
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Agreed, he has improved BUT he is not a GO-TO receiver with anything on the line, I want him to develop but he has to prove it at crunch time, all the great Raiders recievers were ready to make the tough catches at down the line, hopefully he can do it in his FOURTH year
December 18th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
sirblitzalot Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
No wait, Stanford (what a waste of money) Route lost this game when he started imitating Chris Johnson, and got toasted all day!!!
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Routt didn’t get burned that much. He wasn’t covering Johnson on either of his TD catches or the big gain to Johnson on that last drive.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
Hue defaults each week and lies to us by saying “It’s my fault. I take the blame.” Yes, the blame lies with you Hue, but you really don’t believe it. You just say it. We know when we are being BS’d. We need to take a pin to his big head and pop it by hiring a real football man to hold him accountable. He is a loose cannon.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:01 pm
#154….see brah, I hear ya, but dont feel ya….difference is you are white and I’m black. Ya’ll don’t know nothing. I know how to handle my people. Now me, I’ll put a 9′er to the head of that queer McClain in the locker room. one missed tackle and I’ll cap him in the azz….there go his season. I do the the same thing to the rest of those gizz makers on the D too. am telling ya, hire the shoreline crips and pay em $5M per, and things will turn around. One thing, don’t pay them first, let em work for their paper first.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:02 pm
I will say that as someone who lives 30 minutes from cincy and has seen palmer since he was rookie, he hasn’t been very good since pburg broke his leg in 05. Hue really screwed us for the long term.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
#159…..F you and your gramps, candyazz white boi.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Hue settled for Bresnahan. If Hue wanted him he woulda been named the DC the day he was rehired. Instead of being an assistant with no official title for about a month.
I don’t see Del Rio, Spagnuola, or Fisher coming here working under Hue. Hue don’t want anyone here that would cause him to look over his shoulder everytime we lose a game. He will seek a good team’s secondary coach to run our defense next year.
So if you want to know our DC prospects for next year, just post the DB coaches for: Balt, Pitt, KC, CHi, GB, SF, Jax, Tenn, and Arizona.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Comparing this team to a team in 2004 or 2005 or even 3 or 4 years ago is an ignorant thing to do.The roster is totally different.The coaches are totally different.Anyone who says this team sucks knows little to nothing about football.They are disappointing but to say they suck is wrong.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
If Fisher ir Cowher came on board, we would make The playoffs no questions asked with a few minor roster changes. The answer to the problem is D-I-S-C-I-P-L-I-N-E.
Hiring a coach of that caliber would bring another level of credibility to the Raiders. We are losing whatever credibility we had as we speak.
Winning football games consistently – answers everything and Hue Jackson promised to build a “bully” and “tie wins together.” We have lost three straight. Two of those stupid losses should have been realistic wins (Dolphins and Lions at home)
December 18th, 2011 at 10:06 pm
” Yes, the blame lies with you Hue, but you really don’t believe it. You just say it.
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This guy actually knows what Hue Jackson is thinking. That is one amazing fan.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
162. It was right in front of me. Yes, if that catch is made the clock runs out, period.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
If DHB doesn’t drop that pass at the end,the game is over.He wasn’t in FG range and more than likely the clock would have run out.Auto77 seems to have said it best-GTFOH.If you guys want to biotch and moan,at least don’t make sh!t up,try and look at things honestly.
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16 seconds left on the clock to spike the ball and further into to territory then we ended up attempting the final FG, Tim Brown does not drop that or fumble that
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
181….Name a latitude and a longitude, if your degenerate, illiterate and uncouth knows what that means…Bring your 9′ er and we will see how you back up you talk….Scotty….
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
187, there were about 8 seconds when he dropped it. I don’t think another play would have gotten off.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
What i’m saying is he may have said “its on me” week after week but when a real leader says it he then goes to work to correct it, and does. Obviously, as Oldtown said he’s just giving us lip service. hes got to go!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
i dont think hue should be able to not address why he felt not going for 2 was the right decision. i cant think of one reason that makes sense. bottom line is if we win 2 games while jets lose to giants and cincy loses 1 out of 2 we are in as wildcard. if we win 2 and kyle orton beats his old team then we are in too.of course we all would have preferred if the raiders still had destiny in their own hands but these scenarios are not improbable. chuck b needs to abandon the zone unless he has an all out blitz coming. our d personnel was built on playing man to man and when we go zone we are so vulnerable.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
D personnel was built for man to man…!!!!…May not be built for it but the players skill sets sure are….PERIOD….
December 18th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
If Trask and Davis keep Hue, only keep him with a new legitimate GM that will hone him and make him a better coach. NFL stands for “Not For Long.” You either have it as a head coach or you don’t. It’s football not MIT.
Why can’t we go after a certifiable winner? A Super Bowl winner or SB contender? One who has actually been there?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:13 pm
180. I think Palmer has done a fine job with about 50% of his offense in such a short period of time. Most of us will judge the trade in the next couple of seasons. I pin the MAJORITY of the 7 losses in 2011 to the DEFENSE, especially in the 4th quarter. I will say that over and over and over again.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Alltalk,obviously you haven’t watched the Raiders much over the years.T.Brown dropped more than his share of passes.ALL WRs drop passes.All QBs miss throw passes.All defensive players miss tackles.They are humans and humans make mistakes.Fans need to realize this more often.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Autopalm77 181 is not worth it. He doesn’t even have the decency to give love to his countrymen and women who volunteer to put their lives on the line to defend our country. It’s the same mentality that leads a 1st pick in the draft (jamarcus) to squander his talent by being lazy and drinking cough syrup and koolaid.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
#194
We thought after that, offensively, we’d just stay on the field and the game’s over. And we didn’t stay on the field.”
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Doesn’t look like Palmer agrees with you.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
olinesux Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:25 pm
wish al was still here, heads would roll
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That would be the problem. Heads don’t need to roll. We need to draft better and we need a new DC. The only head that would have to roll would be Al’s, as was the case for about the last 25 years of his ownership.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Hue gambles a lot. Belichick does, too, but he has a team that disguises his blunders 95% of the team. There was no good reason to go for it in the first quarter. Does anybody have an explanation for why Boss doesn’t get the ball in short yardage situations? Am I missing something?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
Dont get me wrong beeach, d is biggest problem by far, but palmer is decent but not great. trust me
December 18th, 2011 at 10:21 pm
yeah beach hue isnt belichick
December 18th, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Bubba, I think he will be in the top 10 in 2012. He doesn’t have to be Brady, Brees, or Rodgers unless we keep this horrible D.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
201. Yea, good response. Look what their tight end is doing!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Since Belichick seems to be the standard, remember it took Belichick 3 years in New England, Kraft was actually thinking about firing him prior to ‘01 season.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
beach Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
187, there were about 8 seconds when he dropped it. I don’t think another play would have gotten off.
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I didnt get the play calling on the last drive either. Why were we running in routes (see DHB) when we should be running out routes and get out of bounds?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I have to laugh at those that say we need a Cowher or some other proven coach.How often does that actually work out?How did Gibbs do his second go around?How is the rat doing in DC?What did Parcells accomplish in Miami or even Dallas?Hue Jack might be the problem,but shouldn’t we see what he can do with a competent DC before passing final judgement?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
I do hope your right beach, i’m rootin 4 him. Im just sayin that he really hasnt been good for 6 years nowmaybe if we do get a d, a hc and a professional dc it’ll work out
December 18th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
No superbowl winning coach has ever won the superbowl with a different team…ZERO…..
December 18th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Bubba, that’s just COWARDLY scotty being himself…No problem….He had his chance at the pine cove tavern….Thank you…
December 18th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Guys, I know some of you want to hang on to these “remote” chances at the playoffs, but let’s be real here. EVEN when we managed to compete and keep a game close, the same ole Raider D showed up at the end. We play KC next week, who, last time I checked, just beat the undefeated Packers with KYLE ORTON. And what did we do to the Packers again? Oh, right. And then, we play San Diego, who, I actually think we might have a better shot at beating than KC. Which is really sad. This defense is a mess, and honestly, we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs, much less than some other teams in the AFC. They used up their 9th life today. And that will be the testament to this ridiculous season.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Not sure why folks are so surprised with Hue’s horrific play calling & bonehead decision-making … he was an assistant for all those years for a reason. Should he be fired? Not quite yet.
Bresnahan is a no-brainer …. he was garbage during his first stint & possibly worse now.
A lot to build for next year though.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:29 pm
Lefty, gibbs was tryin to run a football team and a nascar team at same time, shanarat well he could only win with horseface bastard elway and terrell davis and parcells didn’t have the original LT in Miami and dallas. I bet 99% of the folks on this blog would love to get cowher!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
211 I do agree that chuckie b has to b fired tomorrow would not b too soon
December 18th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Bubba,you may be correct,but I would be one of the 1% that wouldn’t want him.I believe he is one of the most overrated coaches of all time.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
lefty12 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:17 pm
Alltalk,obviously you haven’t watched the Raiders much over the years.T.Brown dropped more than his share of passes.ALL WRs drop passes.All QBs miss throw passes.All defensive players miss tackles.They are humans and humans make mistakes.Fans need to realize this more often.
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I agree man but come on do you really think DHB is a GO-TO WR right now? Maybe next year…I’ve backed him up on this blog before and yes they all drop but, Did T Brown ever drop AND fumble two critical passes in one game?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
We just rendered Denver’s game at Buffalo meaningless. If Denver loses at Buffalo and beats KC, they win the division, period. They get basically a preseason game to prepare for Kansas City. Otherwise, we would have been rooting like heck for the Bills next week.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
About DHB not catching the last ball in FG range with 8 seconds left:
In the first half on Palmer’s two spike plays, the first took 13 seconds to get spiked although it was a screen to Bush. The play began with 39 seconds and ended w/ 26 left on clock after the spike. Bush caught ball at 37 seconds and was tackled at 34 seconds. So it tokk 10 seconds for the rest of the play.
The next spike play began at 26 seconds and ended at 10 seconds. It was a pass to TJ Housh. It was a 15 yd pass play. So the play took 16 seconds to spike.
With that said, there is no way we get the ball spiked in less than 8 seconds. DHB better off dropping that ball to give Jano a shot.
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OK just looked at the play and it began with .13 left in game. So, again there is no way we get that ball spiked for a closer Jano FG. The Palmer sack the play before was more detrimental than the DHB drop. We lost yardage and had to burn final TO.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Fair enough lefty, at least you seem to have conviction in what you write. I can respect that.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Yea he did and more than once.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Brahs, the Raiders totally buzz killed a KILLER bj I was getting from this stoned surfer slut from Newport.
The party boat was hopping and this raging hot shorty drags me into the smoking lounge for some dope make out action.
Of course, after a few margs from the PARTYDUDE 8000, things progressed into no mans land (meaning she began giving me oral gratification, wink wink).
Then Jano gets his kick blocked, the babes barfs, and I had to cruise back to the DJ booth with a crusty weiner dog.
But don’t worry blog nerds, I’m scoping this sweet stripper with Triple Ds (all natural) for a sensual 69 session after the buffet closes.
YOUNG MC IN THE PLACE TO BE HANUKKAH IN DA HOUSE
December 18th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
204, I agree with your assessment about Hue getting a 2nd season, but who knows what a qualified GM will do, especially IF we finish 7-9?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
504, I’m afraid we havn’t seen the last of that kind of bad crunch time decision making ( holding ball 4 sack) from number 9 that’s the kind of stuff we’ve seen here in ohio for last few years. which is why everyone here was laughin when we gave the so much for him. not to mention he quit on his teammates.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Firing Hue is an option. Don’t get me wrong. With Al now out of the picture, that puts names of Super Bowl winning coaches like Cowher, Parcells and Gruden in play. Heck, even Shannahan. Sky’s the limit now. But why start from scratch after a season this exciting?
December 18th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
220 maybe if you lighten up on the ruffie, the double d won’t barf on you like the first on did. lol watch who you call nerds
December 18th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
and by the way beecham triple ddds usually means e’s take it from someone who’s actually seen a set!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Sullivan, As hard as it is to say right now, I think I can accept a 2nd place finish at 9-7 and not making the playoffs. Today’s loss is devastating, to say the least. 7-9 would leave a horrible feeling with Raider Nation.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
I am all tapped out…today’s game took everything out of me. I am just a soul-less body.
Speaking of dying slowly from inside out…deaths do happen in 3s…first it was Steve Jobs, then Al Davis and now Kim Jong Ill. Damn, it’s quite a list to belong to. I don’t know if I want to belong to that one though.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Only San Diego cares about Denver’s game in Buffalo, because if Denver wins, San Diego’s season is over!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
NINE the number of YEARS Tim Brown had 1 fumble or less
FOUR the number of Years that TBrown had NO fumbles
December 18th, 2011 at 10:50 pm
225, I am jealous. Lol.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Just our luck, DHB has a heck of a game, but all I can remember is the fumble now… ;(
December 18th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
Bubba, only blog goobers like Madden Retard and Albert Puss rely on the roof dog.
But as a blog nerd/goober, I understand you want to learn the ways of the babe from Beeecham.
First, buy a case of Noir Drakkar.
Then get in line, it takes very serious blog commitment to become one of my many minions.
CAN’T TAKE THE HEAT, GET OUT OF THE SITZ BATH, WHUT
December 18th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
I’ll bet my money that Hue will coach his butt off these next two weeks and we WILL win both games.
Not for the sake of making the playoffs, but only because he has to in order to best Cable’s 8-8 record last year.
So finally we will get the Hue we wanted the whole season. Just watch how this team look these next 2 weeks.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
all i can remenber was not getting 3 points on first drive, not keeping ball on ground on last drive and our mlb (so pissed i refuse to use his name) getting juked by a qb who could be considered shifty only when compared to old films of jeff george!
December 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Firing Hue is an option. Don’t get me wrong. With Al now out of the picture, that puts names of Super Bowl winning coaches like Cowher, Parcells and Gruden in play. Heck, even Shannahan. Sky’s the limit now. But why start from scratch after a season this exciting?
……
I’ve seen nothing to convince me this year’s team is any better than last year’s 8-8 squad that got Tom Cable fired.
In today’s post game press conference Hue used the same lame excuses Tom Cable used after every loss last year…
1. Its a process
2. Have to get better
3. Just need to learn how to finish
4. We are close
I for one am sick of hearing excuses and seeing the same results year after year after year.
This organization needs to hire a GM who will come in and clean house.
This young team needs a veteran Head Coach who backs up his words with results. Hue has no track record and no way to convince this team that his way will work.
December 18th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
Good night, guys. I’ve tried to be positive through thick and thin in 2011, but it’s a very bitter pill to swallow right now. I feel stunned. On that note, SCALP THE CHIEFS!!!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
beecham don’t need any help keepin my pimp pants strong! just watch callin anyone nerds. for all we know your party boat might be the squeeze toy you take a bath with at your mommas house. or you might b legit. but my experience tells me that guys who have to brag about it…well i’ll b nice and drop it.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
night beach go raiders
December 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
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December 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
wasbanned Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
…
I’ve seen nothing to convince me this year’s team is any better than last year’s 8-8 squad that got Tom Cable fired.
…………
I have. 3 game win streak late in the year.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:04 pm
and for good measure drakkar was a lady favorite….in the 80s lol!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
follwed by 3 game losing streak hue and chuck must go
December 18th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
I am scratching my head about the DHB drop-play; if there was not enough time to spike it then why not throw it away or throw an out route? If thats the case its either bad play calling by the Coach, Poor decision making by the QB or a bad drop by the WR…whos fault is it?
December 18th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
99 yards and one stop to go
99 yards and one stop to go
you give up twenty, and thats not plenty
79 yards and one stop to go
79 yards and one stop to go
79 yards and one stop to go
you give up thirty, and a penalty for posterity
39 yards and one stop to go
39 yards and one stop to go
39 yards and one stop to go
you give up fifty, cause your all to schitty
ah, fock it.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:08 pm
Replacing Hue is doable. With Al now out of the picture, we can make a realistic offer to anyone. With Al here, nobody worth a damn would step foot here. But I say, why start from scratch after a season this exciting?
December 18th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Was banned…you are 100% correct. well said man!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
I’m cool if we keep Hue. I’m cool if we fire him…for a big name. A real, real disappointment would be if Hue was fired, and replaced with either a no-name or a mediocre retread. But I think those days are over around here.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
Bubba, it’s cool to be a blog nerd, most of my minions represent goober-o-city until i show them how to party serious.
Start with smoking a killer J, pounding a 1lb biggity of Cool Ranch Doritos and then bust a little Madden ‘08 while your mom changes your bed sheets.
Remember lil blog Dweeb-O, the first step is to admit you gotta problem.
SMOKING BIG LIGS IN THE SO CAL BRO STYLE
December 18th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
Firing Hue is an option. Don’t get me wrong. With Al now out of the picture, that puts names of Super Bowl winning coaches like Cowher, Parcells and Gruden in play. Heck, even Shannahan. Sky’s the limit now. But why start from scratch after a season this exciting?
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i’m a Christian but sometimes i wish bad things about u sullivan.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
raider talk its the first two…dhb actually did right thing to drop it otherwise jano doesnt ever get on the field…of course palmer doesn’t hold the ball for sack and force timeout…oh well woulda shoulda coulda
December 18th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Well, you wouldn’t be the first Christian to live up to practically none of your religion’s standards. Most of you are frauds. Speaking of Christians, the church of Tebow sure got quiet, didn’t it? Guess God doesn’t care about football after all.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Keep Hue. His brain gets rattled cause the D unit messed up his head. The D unit is swirling around and around. When we get a legit D cordinator, Hue can focus on the offense.
Hue went for the 7 instead of the 3 early in the game cause he knew the D was gonna give up points. Hue needs all the points he can get.
But remember folks, after the Lions scored their 3rd touchdown of the afternoon, they did not onsides the kick. They dumped it deep to Moore for a shallow return. Detroit knew they had the D to get them the ball back one more time.
And our D is fcked up. And Detroit knew this.
Keep Hue, no more trashing him. It is the D that messes his mind. Like I said, if he had confidence in that messed up D unit, Hue woulda takin the 3.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
beecham no worries my friend..got the chronic supply..dont eat doritos…my mom died 6 years ago and “partyboat” cruisin with the earlybird special bluehair crowd not my ideas of a party…but hey knock urself out!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:17 pm
Nob Raider!
Haven’t seen my frightened little blog servant in a long time! Guess the last time I smacked you down, you peed your pants and ran for the hills, huh?
Don’t worry, I don’t mind seeing you back for more Beeecham-style abuse. It’s why your title of Official Blog Pee Bag is still alive and well!
AWESOME
December 18th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
We lost this game because
a) Our secondary is lost out there.
b) The Lions knew it.
Goodnight, Raider Nation.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Well, you wouldn’t be the first Christian to live up to practically none of your religion’s standards. Most of you are frauds. Speaking of Christians, the church of Tebow sure got quiet, didn’t it? Guess God doesn’t care about football after all.
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while ur right about many so-called Christians who get way too much press, i and many others do actually try to live according to Christ’s example, which is a great example by the way.
as for tebow, God doesn’t care about football, but tebow is a good kid who means well, and he’s an inspiring role-model. nothing wrong with that.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
252 Hue has been putting up with hot garbage d all year…without doin anything about it…heavy is the head that wears the crown!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
night sullivan go raiders!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
wasbanned Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
…
I’ve seen nothing to convince me this year’s team is any better than last year’s 8-8 squad that got Tom Cable fired.
…………
I have. 3 game win streak late in the year.
….
Raiders beat Chargers last year – nothing new
Bears – just lost their starting QB (Raiders got blown out by Chiefs in the same situation)
Vikings – Raiders were losing when Peterson goes down early in the game.
Not as impressive as you would lead me to believe.
Raiders have Quality wins over Texans & Jets
Those 2 games might save Hue depending on the GM that is hired and the power he will be given.
Hue should be sweating right now. His seat is getting hotter each week.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
When the Lions roared back for 98 yards in a minute-ten, I messed and soiled myself so bad and I didn’t even realize it till I sat down to eat at a dennys about 3 hours after the game. They quickly removed me from the establishment after they figured where the stench was coming from. Totally caught me by surprise.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
amen was banned amen!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
sumbuddy mightily butt hurt after this game. myself included. butt hurt.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
sounds like a sh^tty situation gilligan! but I did put my fist through the wall so I guess I can sort of understand
December 18th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
Hue has LOOKED like a ROOKIE HC at the worst times this season…
Where did all of our plays go, seems we runt he same 10 plays ALL Game long every week…
Where’s the Complete Playbook Palmer was gonna open up?
Why is Boyd ont he field, or caught laughing after a 40 yd penalty on our best KO return int he last month?
Boyd needs to be cut, today.
Send the message that this BONEHEADED play cannot be tolerated…
But Hue doesn’t have the stones to cut him.
Same as it every was, unfortunately…
December 18th, 2011 at 11:28 pm
I know one thing chuckie b called the game like he was peeing himself…the entire last 7 minutes hes a joke
December 18th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
99 fvcking yards on big plays. WTF WTF who the fvck shat their drawers, how are you that fckng bad dont you learn a thing WTF
December 18th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Even though we may be out of the Playoffs, I feel alright at the thought of the Team hiring a new GM…Could Madden by ready to take a place at the seat of the team he coached to greatnesss??
In my opinion he is one of the few potential candidates that could keep the Raider Tradition alive.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
well said van heathen well said
December 18th, 2011 at 11:31 pm
John Madden was the greatest…does he have the fire?
December 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Bubba, my minion Albert Puss is a confirmed vegetarian, I’ll introduce you.
All my KGB comes direct from Kauai, so obviously it’s the most stoney on the Best Coast.
But I’d let some of my lower level shorties sample your chronic, just send it attn: Beecham, address Marina Del Rey.
Don’t worry, all the postmen west of Tucson know my PO
December 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
One last comment by me. Anybody else have sort of a love-hate feeling toward big Al? I feel like this defense is terrible because of him. At the same time, I feel bad that now our season could turn into a loser, and it would be a sad ending to a season after his death. These players piss me off, and they have no appreciation for Al’s achievements in his younger days.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
Hue needs to lose that somber mellow cool approach and get in some faces and show who is the boss, get lit and hump some ass. put them on the floor and wood the rear. Whos the boss?
Hue needs to eat some ass and make those players feel it. make them shout. oh the horror, the horror. the pain is real, like a dog without a bone, a french maid without a room. Hue, put some rump in the dump and get some new ass with some meat on it.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:35 pm
Hue is the smartest O-coach we’ve had here since Gruden.
Took this miserable group from bottom-5 to top-5 in one season, and now top-15 despite losing starting RB, starting QB, and two starting WRs for long stretches of time.
Imagine this O if our D put is in good positions once in a while.
He’ll be around a long time.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Well I’m checkin out 4 now. Peace to the nation! At least lets beat the p!ss out of the queefs and southpark kyle next sat. I’m out!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
Beach,
this defense is Al’s fault. Players are not to blame for not being allowed to practice/learn zone for the last 30 years here.
Takes more than 3/4ths of a season to master it and bring in the right players for it. Just needs a little time.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
we have the 4th-worst defense in the entire NFL.
Bring that up to just average, with Hue’s O, and this is a year-in, year-out playoff team.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
The Hue situation will take care of itself once a GM is hired. Either they will walk in lockstep or Hue will go. It’s that kind of relationship. With some guidance and some help with personnel, Hue might find his groove. Not saying he will, just that he might.
With AD’s passing, I think he’s been chewing too much and doing the best he can not to choke. Of course, if he was full of a little less BS, he might be able to handle his portions better. Too much posturing.
Like some of his young players, he’s learning, too. It’s a live-and-learn world, and that can be pretty tough.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:39 pm
98 yards. can the Raiders shake this? Are they tough enough to come back from this? We shall see.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Beecham got my garden from dispensery so its all good. But I do wish you a good night! Go raiders!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:42 pm
Michael Bush has had zero explosive carries in the last 4 weeks. That’s hurt.
A measly 15-yarder today was his longest rush in over a month. Not good.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:44 pm
The only thing Hue has going in his favor right now is injuries.
He can lean on these as an excuse and most likely agree to a new DC.
Will be interesting to see what new GM will want. Will he be required to keep Hue?
December 18th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Hue will have input on the next GM here. Mark isn’t blind to how the entire ORGANIZATION has been turned around for the better since Hue was hired last year.
December 18th, 2011 at 11:54 pm
Rolando McClain is bad news: uses a gun, team has collapsed to 3 straight defeats!
December 18th, 2011 at 11:59 pm
I called a 4-game losing streak last month.
Just seemed inevitable with our health, terrible D, and schedule.
We’re still light-years better than we were before Hue showed up last season.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:00 am
# alex7 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 11:37 pm
we have the 4th-worst defense in the entire NFL.
Bring that up to just average, with Hue’s O, and this is a year-in, year-out playoff team.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:14 am
Back from the game, digested what I saw and have finally thawed out – it was cold out there today.
In this posting I think I’ll focus on who failed. First of all, WE lost so that was the biggest overall failure. There were subset of failures that contributed to the end result. They included, not in any necessary level of importance:
• HuJack calling a TD pass play on the 14 on 4th & 1. Just get the first down easily or kick the FG. Quit gambling when it’s not necessary.
• Bresnahan playing a modified 3-4 defense and NOT doubling Megatron on EVERY play. The 304 was the right idea especially since they had no run game whatsoever.
• Schillins for running at least 3 patterns short of the first own marker on third down plays.
• D-WOW for dropping and couple of receptions and zigging when he should have run an out pattern on a third down play.
• Palmer missing a wide open D-wow on two potential scoring plays.
• DHB fumbling after a long reception but he’s forgiven because he otherwise had a very good day receiving. And yes, he has turned out a better choice than Crabtree. Good pick Al.
• Houshmanzadha caught his 2nd & 3rd receptions for the year. Both were short of the first down marker. Adios Housh.
• HuJack not going for a two point conversion after recovering the fumble for a TD. If he had gone for it we minimally would have had a tie at the end. Another didn’t think it through Hue.
• Stanford Routt for getting so many pass interference calls. In his defense, he was covering the best receiver on the field, often one on one. Overall, I think he did an admiral job.
• Rolando McWhiffer while recording one great sack, also whiffed on some key tackles.
• Bresnahan struck again on a 4th & 2 near our goal line and pulls Seymour & Kelly, our center heavyweights and goes with Moss & Houston I believe. Stafford then runs it up the middle for a first down. Just a dumb decision IMO.
• MBush hasn’t really done anything exceptional for the last 3 weeks. Today he was very ordinary.
• HuJack did NOT call Reece’s number often enough. He had the hot hand today but was not used enough.
• For whatever reason, HuJack refuses to play runners other MBush. This is inexcusable especially when MBush is not holding a hot hand.
• While Palmer’s numbers were good, his play simply did not look all that dominant.
• For the most part, the O-line played adequately. They could have been more dominant but the guys they were playing against were pretty good too.
• Lechler was right on all day. Simply the greatest punter in the NFL today.
• SeaBass is GOLD. The absolute best possible finish would have been him making the 65 yd. FG with 3 seconds left. It would have been a new NFL record and as important, a necessary win for the team. IT WAS NOT TO BE.
So who do I point the fickle finger of fate at? I think I have to award the digit to HuJack this week. He could have done a lot of things differently that WOULD have made a difference. It’s one thing to be a gambler, but it’s a different thing when you are betting someone else’s money. I like Hue and DO want him back. I hope he has learned from his mistakes and makes the necessary changes for next year. Here’s whhat I suggest for next year Hue:
* Get a GM on board
* Fire Bresnahan and get a decent DC
* Take a serious look at the following Asst. coaches for possible replacement:
– Sanjay Lai – WR
– Brad Roll – Strengh & Conditioning
– Greg Biekert – LB
– John Fassel – STC
* Switch to a 3-4 defensive structure
* Acquire/draft a starting NT, LB, RT, BU-RB, tall WR
* Move Taiwan Jones from RB to slot WR – he can’t pass block & could be our Wes Welker
* Do whatever you can to incent Jason Campbell to remain as our BU-QB
* Let MBush go – He’s not what we thought he was and he can’t/won’t pass block
* Trade Schilins & Murphy. Release Houshmanznanda
* Move wiz to center. Use Heyer @ LG & Barksdale to RG or RT. Get BCampbell up to snuff or dump him. He should either start on the O-line next year @ RG or RT or be gone.
* Let Al Saunders call the plays next year. Hue should focus more on micro-managing coaches and players.
I realize that statistically we could possibly still make the playoffs. Realistically, we are now in the next year’s planning cycle. I’ve already prepaid my season tickets for next year and will get to make a personalized visit to next year’s training camp. Maybe I’ll print out this post & give it to Hue at camp next year. Maybe he might even consider some of this WISE ADVICE.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND BEST WISHES TO ALL THE RAIDER NATION FOR NEXT YEAR. Remember, his year was practice. Next year is the real deal. Playoffs are NOT the goal. A SUPERBOWL VICTORY IS!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:23 am
First things first; fire Jackson. Any policy or personnel remaining from the “AL” years, we must expunge. Remember, AL hired the clownish Jackson. An average armchair QB could call a better game.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:27 am
Post #287: Well Said JB…
Boneheads
On
Your
Defense…
get u beat.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:30 am
It’s a QB and D-Coordinator league.
Been said for years.
We have the first, will get the second this off-season.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 am
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 am
The “build a bully” phrase? Don’t you think it would have been best had Hue kept that as an in-house motivator? I mean, what does an opponent immediately think about a guy who calls his players “bullies”? I’d think they’d want to show who the bully really is.
You have to earn the term and until the Raiders actually earned it, I wish he had kept it between him and his players.
This is just one example of an error made by a rookie coach. I think he’ll learn; I just hope Hue’s capacity for learning is ample.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:39 am
This must be at least my 3rd request….BRESNAHAN MUST GO!!!
How do you let the #1 receiver on the Lions effing gallop down the field unmolested?Stafford throws a HAIL MARY in the middle of the field and the DB’s can’t even locate the damn ball to at least knock it down!!!!
It’s almost as if they were MARVELING at the guy as he falls to the ground to catch the pass to get to the 12 yrd line.
Vincent Fuller,safety was cut by Detriot…did anyone claim him? I am thinking ahead to next year.If these DB’s would learn to play the ball sometimes we would have so many turnovers.
THIS ONE HURTS…IT HURTS SO MUCH THAT RIGHT NOW,I DON’T EVEN CARE ABOUT THE NEXT 2 GAMES.IF WE MAKE THE PLAYOFFS OR WHO WINS THE AFC WEST …. F@@K
December 19th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Let’s face it. The Raiders lost the season when they didn’t defeat Miami for whatever reason.
Sure, they might get it if all the birds fly straight, but they probably won’t.
If they do, I guessing they play one game.
I’ll be okay just as long as the 49ers don’t go all the way.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:15 am
I miss Al.
You can bet your A$$ Hue takes the points if he had to answer to Al.
You can also bet your A$$ you would not see a picture of the Head coach of the Oakland Raiders getting her nails done or wearing clown suits at the pressers if Al was still here.
Offensive coordinators go for it. Head coaches take the points.
The team is undisciplined because the Head coach is.
Just Win Baby.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:22 am
Some raider players bewildered by the hateful tweets by fans. They don;t get it. We eat alot of crap for liking this team and pizz’es us off when they prove our detractors right over and over and oever for 8 yrs.
Chukcy B your D looked EXACTLY like the Raiders D last time U coached it. You’re FIRED!!!!!
Tampa 2 against Megatron with the game on the line?
IDIOT!!!!
WTF is Jerome Boyd even DOING on the field?!!!
Even a simple man like myself pointed out Oakland struggles with zone because they were BUILT FOR MAN. PLAY MAN!!!!
How like you all that zone coverage now that Als dead? Fixed everything right?
Boy, sure glad Als gone so our D can finally prosper now that his dated antiquated D and meddling are gone!
December 19th, 2011 at 1:25 am
291. Building a bully was BS. DMC made that O line look alot better than it was. #20 would make the first untouched defender miss.
A bully when you’ve got the lightest center and a 290 something lb 10 yr plus RG?
Okay…
Next season, FIRE Chuck B, FIRE Sanjay Lal. Thats a start.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:30 am
this year was probably everybodys last shot at the superbowl since there wont be one next year unless they play it on thanks giving,or at least before dec 21 2012 at 11:11 a.m.,,also having a zombie party that night ,,,,
,,,maybe!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 1:36 am
Ghadafi, Bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, Al Davis…
December 19th, 2011 at 1:37 am
Fellas,the Passion for this Team is special,and I saw NO QUIT,carry on,Silver and Black,let the chips fall where they may.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:39 am
There is intelligence on this blog after all:
qodrn1 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:08 am
Let’s face it. The Raiders lost the season when they didn’t defeat Miami for whatever reason.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:39 am
Raiders are 0-3 since McClain incident.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:41 am
Since McClain incident, the Raiders didn’t even show up to first two games, being down 0-34 at one point in both games, and blew a 2 score lead against a team that they’d pushed around most of the game. Confusion on defense has been one common thread. Defensive player gets arrested, confusion on defense, yet to win a game since.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:51 am
i think gruden sucks behind the microphone,but he’s one of the best coaches we have had .he made us winners with the same DC we have now ,i didnt care for the DC then either .one thing was for sure tho ,if you didnt perform gruden would cut your azz right now ,and he proved it too .so the entire team played as tho it could be their last game .so imo hue needs to take control without question and rattle some azz.wich he hasnt done as far as i know,someone needs to be made an example of to wake this team up or they will never fear being let go for under performing….kinda ruthless but nothing else seems to be working
December 19th, 2011 at 2:19 am
If you hate Bresnahan, bash him here….
http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=100003277066506&sk=wall
December 19th, 2011 at 3:06 am
Michael Bush said it himself that he was physically dead on his twitter account a few weeks ago.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:58 am
Sullivan44 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
joetoronto Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:01 pm
Keep Al Saunders, make him the OC and get rid of Hue Jackson & Chuck Bresnahan.
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Saunders isn’t a motivator. You’ve got to be street tough to coach in Oakland.
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I meant as the OC, not HC. This way, we keep the same offense instead of starting over.
The new GM will most certainly can Jackson, Bresnahan and many more. He’ll bring his own guys in.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:11 am
you have got to see this
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Video-In-SNL-sketch-Jesus-tells-Tebow-to-821?urn=nfl-wp14093
December 19th, 2011 at 4:46 am
Next Goal…. Beat The Chefs….we owe them a beating..
December 19th, 2011 at 5:05 am
The Raiders still haven’t learned how to closeout a game…. Stafford was throwing up Ducks… And our DB’s didn’t play the ball , just let it fall right into Johnson’s hands…
Rod Woodson was going ballistic on the sidelines …and he should ..his guys failed ..
December 19th, 2011 at 5:20 am
Oh man this was nasty. A blowout that you can tell is coming after the first offensive series (3 and out) is terrible. But these 4th Qtr comeback losses, in the last seconds, are god-awful. So many moments could’ve sealed the game. The D played so well for large slabs, but those Boyd and Mitchell blown coverages, and the McClain on Calvin, were gut-wrenching. Hue again with the 3rd and 3 bomb FFS, and not taking the FG early. On that 3rd and 3, perfect opportunity for a Reece run, or a Reece pass into the flat, or dump it over the middle to Bush/Reece/Boss.
What a blown opportunity tho, with the Tebowites losing. Now Chargers (and even Chiefs) can still win the division.
You can almost see it now lol (angry lol), Raiders drop their last two, Broncos drop their last two, and the Chiefs/Chargers end up winning the division. Raiders could’ve been that.
McKenzie (as GM) or whomever we hire, has got to be priority person. Meaning, he’ll come in and evaluate Hue and the entire staff, fashion the football department from the top down. Not be brought in because he can work with Hue and who doesn’t have ultimate say to totally re-evaluate everything (including firing Hue/etc if he wants to).
2012 gotta be about getting Pryor starter ready. The whole Palmer trade was all about playoffs now, 2011, and seeing as we blew it, then they gotta look at the long-term future (ie, Pryor not Palmer).
Here’s why Hue MUST go…
This whole roster, team, playbook after this debacle of a late season collapse will not recover and buy into Hue for 2012.
A new GM must be hired, with his own vision, and full control of the football department. He MUST put everyone on notice, and work his way thru the roster and coaching staff (and admin staff) and build HIS team with HIS coaches anew, with none of this last few years baggage of Kiffin-Cable-Jackson (curly, larry, mo) that the playing group got developed under.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:29 am
wasbanned Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
Chiefs Defense holds Steelers to 13 and Packers to 14 points.
Chargers mowing through the Ravens.
The Raiders will have a hard time beating these teams.
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Highly astute post. And Hue doesn’t help the D either with his offensive play-calling etc.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:37 am
GG,
Palmer will be the QB here for the next 3 years.
Each of those years he’ll be 10x’s better than Pryor.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:46 am
Correct… Palmer will be here at least 3 more yrs… And Hue Jackson will be here at Least another season…. Hue will bring in his own defensive coach and the organization will bring in a GM……can’t keep switching coaches year after year…as for Pryor , I’m not sure he fits into Hues plans as a Raider Qb…
December 19th, 2011 at 5:48 am
You don’t know that (that he’ll be better).
Palmer was for 2011, Hue selling the farm for a 2011 playoff run.
Hue will be lucky to survive 2012.
No doubt, Palmer is still here in 2012, and maybe even Hue, but Pryor is the future QB (10 years potentially). Palmer just 1-2 years.
Pryor has to earn the starting job in training camp, but that should be the GMs plan — 2012 is about getting Pryor ready, whether he wins the job in camp or after a few weeks into the season.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:49 am
Our Db’s played pretty good for most the game… Then during that last 7 minutes just fell apart… Just couldn’t close the deal… Again…
December 19th, 2011 at 5:49 am
pryor is a 3rd round pick as an athlete.
If he had true QB potential, he’d have been a 1st rounder, like pretty much every QB in the NFL today is.
Come on.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:51 am
Last 2 seasons pre-Hue: 10-22
Two seasons since Hue was hired: 15-15
Huge turnaround. Hue’s not going anywhere. Every intelligent person knows he TURNED AROUND the entire franchise.
That’s hard to do in Oakland.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:55 am
Their were at least 3 diffrent plays that could have changed yesterday’s outcome…plenty of blame to go around…. But the bottomline is with the game on the line our defense gave up 14 points in the last 7 minutes….they did a pretty good till then…..
December 19th, 2011 at 5:55 am
You cannot say that Alex.
Many said Newton would or wouldn’t. Many can say can or can’t based on where they are drafted.
That’s the worst thing to base anything on — where they are drafted.
I didn’t say hand Pryor the job, he’s gotta earn it. He’s not gonna be better than Palmer now or early next season, but the plan has to be about getting him ready, getting him to play on a level close to, equal to, or better than Palmer — whether that happens at training camp, after week 4, or after week 8. But that has to be the focus, because Palmer is a 1-2 year investment that Hue pushed because they had a good chance (4-2) for a playoff run.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:57 am
Alex..I think your right on that…. Hue Deserves a clean start…IMO …this hasn’t been your usual NFL season…. Especially for the Raiders
December 19th, 2011 at 6:00 am
I think Hue had more in mind than just this years playoff push with the Palmer trade…. The price Hue paid makes that point…
December 19th, 2011 at 6:00 am
GG
can you give me examples of more than two 3rd rounders playing QB in the league right now?
There’s a reason you can’t.
And the ones that are were accurate pocket QBs in college who simply didn’t start enough years to give scouts a great look.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:02 am
There is just NO way Pryor can go 30-36 for 300+ yards like Palmer just did.
He’s simply not an NFL passer.
He was an Al pick, and a wasted one at that, and Hue knows this. That’s why the trade was made so quickly.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:03 am
and I mean eeeeeeever. He’ll neeeeever put up those kinds of numbers.
Pryor couldn’t hack it against legit defenses in college. No reason to think he’ll suddenly become accurate or read defenses well.
Those (accuracy/reading the D) are skills that just don’t appear once you get to the NFL level if you didn’t show them at the NCAA level.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:12 am
Wat amazes me is how do you keep players like Jerome Boyd, and Kyle Boller on you roster, Boyd was the DB that was not on the field when we beat the Texans abd we won inspite of him there. Yesterday we lost because of him and the stinckin Chuck.B…he will be fired immediately after the season. Al brought him back here, and remember Hue did not endorse this guy…Al was working off the memory of Chuck.B when he was here during Grudens tenure.
But Al forgot that then he had the type of talented defensive players that could still play in schemes that I even thought back then were flawed. Especiallyt in our LB and DB core at one time or another we had…Rod Woodson,Charles Woodson, Tory James, Erik Allen, Bill Romanowski, William Thomas, Greg Biekert etc…and these players were good enough to overcome Chuck.B’s flawed schemes. There is no doubt that he will be gone…between him and Boyd it has cost us a great deal.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:17 am
Non 1st rounders, not ‘3rd rounders’.
That’s a silly statement to say name me 3rd rounders only.
Tell me how many non 1st rounders are starting QBs today and last few years.
The point is, it doesn’t matter where Pryor was drafted. He was drafted for the express purpose of being groomed to start one day. Sitting and learning, etc, no doubt. But groomed to start. He’s 21/22 yo, he’s a young gun, has the tools, and is a hard worker. We don’t know how good or bad he is, he is putty right now that we drafted expressly to mold. And if he develops, you have 10+ years out of him.
What can Palmer give us now? 1-3 years tops, and eventually we have to find a replacement for him (hello! Pryor).
I’ll concede this tho…in all reality, unless we get some kind of GM/HC like a Cowher who would burn everything and start again, Palmer will be here in 2012, THUS, Hue will have to be too, as they are a tandem, and thus the GM will be someone who has total say, but will take all of 2012 to evaluate everything, give Hue a chance, retain most of the roster, and 2012 will be pretty much 2011 playing group and coaches (all on notice, being evaluated for 2013).
But like I said before, Hue really must go because this whole staff and roster might not buy into Hue again, respond to Hue like they did originally, and they have questioned him or secretly vied against him.
Also, sometimes when you have a roster that chokes along with the HC, you need to burn it to the ground to create a new environment/culture. Because the current culture/environment is pretty much a 3 year continuation of Kiffin with Cable under him and replacing him, then Cable with Hue under him and replacing him, and all developed under that same environment.
If it were me…I’d hire a GM and give him authority to torch it all. Let him rebuild with a whole new outside entity that wasn’t part of the last three years under Al Davis and the Kiffin-Cable-Jackson circle. Like a Jeff Fisher, for example, who has not been part of anything Raiders or Al.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:19 am
Our secondary has been a weak point…. They were Ok for much of yesterday’s game… Then the wheels come off during that last 7 minutes
December 19th, 2011 at 6:24 am
I’d like to see Reggie McKenzie get a good look for our GM
December 19th, 2011 at 6:24 am
But don’t kid yourselves either, Hue and Al have butchered this roster, and butchered our future draft picks for a couple years now. Meaning, where the Raiders are right now when a GM is hired, he is starting from a deep hole in the ground, with what the recent regime left for him to try to rebuild from. He will have just a supp pick or two and a 5th and 6th to work with. He has a 53 man roster that has a lot of deficiencies in. So many of the 53 are liabilities, not starting caliber.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:28 am
Most likely, like i said, realistically, Palmer, Hue, Saunders etc will all return, and so will 90% of the roster, after a GM is hired. But don’t think 2012 will be a better year because of what I said #329 and #326.
Not until the GM gets to torch and rebuild thru a few drafts will we see dividends. Why imo a new GM ‘must’ torch now and rebuild start of 2012, not end of 2012.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:28 am
The press better not let Jackson get away with that ridiculous ‘explanation’ why he didn’t go for two after their last touchdown. Classic no brainer — no risk, all reward. He blew it. Admit you blew it, Hue, and move on. Whatever you do, don’t give us any of your condescending BS, as if we don’t understand. You’re the one who doesn’t understand, buddy.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:31 am
The only problems with the two deep throws to Moore and Chaz were execution-not the play call. If we had the same receivers practicing every week with the QB the timing would have been better and passes would have been completed. It shouldn’t have came down to the that play if Rolando tackles Stafford on fourth down.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:34 am
Not going for 2 pt conversion was by far his dumbest call. No risk and only reward!
December 19th, 2011 at 6:35 am
My other question has to do with the blind side block penalty on Boyd. Is that a new penalty? I have never heard that one before in a tackle football game. Maybe in a flag football game.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:36 am
I’ve slept on it. Hue, we need to Upgrade ya! Hue still has to go this team still looks like junk. Unprepared and playing uninspiring at important points. That Miami gm showed me things haven’t changed.
Look, al davis is a great man. He just couldn’t get high caliber coaches willing to work with him the last several yrs. Now, the raiders have an oPportunity to land a top tier coach. As much as I hate turnover, we need to go through it one more time and land a top notch guy.
Would Hue be a finalist candidate for any of the openings this winter? Probably not.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:37 am
To much confusion in our defensive secondary during that last 7 minutes….they should have been able to hold a 13 point lead… Inexcusable ..
December 19th, 2011 at 6:40 am
madden was at the game and he couldnt be impressed with Hue. Madden’s philosophy was if a fg would either tie or give you the lead you take it. Hue’s 4th and 1 play call wasnt bad, it was his decision to go for it that backfired. To me whats amazing is after every loss ,Hue stands at the podium and claims he takes the blame. Then when he doesnt go for 2 up 12 with 7 minutes to go he defends himself instead of admitting how bad a decision was. If he can blame Chaz for not having the ability to catch a 40yd bomb with his fingertips when all we needed was 3 yds , then maybe he needs to be more honest with himself. i was disappointed that the writers in the press conference didnt force him to explain what the big advantage was being up 13 instead of going for 2. Bottom line, is if we dont win in KC the season is over and it will be tough to forgive a coach who was 7-4 and had his team fall apart.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:43 am
In all honesty, we didn’t progress this year. We’re still at the level of a .500 team, and with plenty of deficiencies.
Watch for it…if we do retain Palmer, Hue, Saunders, and 90% of the roster, 2012 will be a 5-11 type of season. It will be a regression, like you often see from a group of players/coaches that play and coach undisciplined, that play and coach bone-headedly, that have shown a culture to choke, to get blown out, to mail it in, to being unable to break thru that threshold and play/coach like a genuine playoff team.
This often happens just before a new GM comes in and has to burn and rebuild the roster. Like Dominick in Atlanta. Like what you’ll see in Tampa Bay soon. Like what you’ll see in San Diego if they don’t make playoffs. Like what you’ll see in Miami, and Chicago, etc.
And if a GM burned start of 2012, it will still be a 5-11 type of season as he will be starting a whole range of young players, letting current vets go, starting Pryor to see what he has, etc, and will need a full 2013 draft to acquire talent from which to build a new culture.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:43 am
R.I.P.: Raider Season 2011
December 19th, 2011 at 6:48 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.ANYBODY TELLS ME AGAIN HOW MUCH THIS TEAM/ORGANISATION HAS BEEN THROUGH THIS YEAR,I’M GONNA PUKE..IF YOU R GOING TO USE THAT,SHOULD HAVE JUST LOCKED THE DOORS AFTER THE OLD MAN DIED AND SAID SEE YOU IN 2012..WICH I GUESS IS WHAT HAS HAPPENED ANYWAY.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:48 am
That trade for carson was done because hue felt this team could win NOW! To get effectively shut out on offense in Miami and Green Bay and to have the team show uninspired. Sorry, this is an audition and hue couldn’t rally the troops.
The penalties, discipline and consistency just wasn’t there
I am not too excited to see ANOTHER year of seeing hue prove the hoky playcalling, penalties and uninspiring play was an anomoly.
Let’s just get a top tier GM and let him get his coach
December 19th, 2011 at 6:50 am
#341….exactly.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:51 am
The magic number is 3.
We left 3 points off the scoreboard by not kicking the fg early in the game, and we went 3 and out late in the game because we went for a long bomb on 3rd down when we only needed 3 yards, giving Detroit the ball back. Now that makes the Raiders losers of 3 games in a row,,,we needed to win our last 3 games to assure us a spot in the playoffs.
3 is the magic number.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:51 am
Just for conversations sake….how many first year headcoaching get any team this far?… gotta keep that in mind…. Also.. When your team loses all headcoachs pretty much have the same excuses… Didn’t get it done, falls on me.. Gotta get better… Bla bla bla …
Yep , he’s made some bonehead decisions…but if Palmer makes that throw to Moore, if DHB doesn’t fumble , if McClain tackles Stafford, if Boyd does hit a defender in the back during that kickoff return , if we go for 2 on the last Td….and if Hue takes the points instead of going for it on 4th down… We problably win….like I said … Plenty of blame to go around…but Hue will say …it’s on me… Still a pretty decent team here… No need to burn the building down….some changes are in order … But a complete rebuild… No …
December 19th, 2011 at 6:53 am
The Defense HAS to be able to hold a 13 point lead with 7 minutes left…. Has too..
December 19th, 2011 at 6:54 am
IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF IF
December 19th, 2011 at 6:57 am
What a terrible morning to be a Raider. This was the worst Raider loss since the Super Bowl. I guess we still have a chance at the playoffs but what a disgusting loss.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:57 am
#346…exactly
December 19th, 2011 at 6:58 am
I guess you guys laughing at Zack Miller and Robert Gallery were a tad premature.
Same record as us, clearly peaking right now, and a better shot to make the playoffs than us, with the way Seattle is playing.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:00 am
I wish I could punch Chuck Bresnehan in the face.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:00 am
I was extremely harsh with Hue last night, and I think he has been absolutely awful the last month as a HC. Unprepared, horrendous game-management, team going the wrong way down the stretch.
But after a deep breath and a little sobriety, he deserves next year to see what he can do with a full offseason with his QB and hopefully a new DC.
But if we start like 1-3 next season, fire his azz.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Lotta if’s? And you only talk about the downside if’s…for all the downside if’s, there are some upside if’s that helped the team. If’s like orton’s no contact fumble on MNF and others.
Again, would hue jax be on your top list of head coach candidates if we had a new search?
December 19th, 2011 at 7:02 am
Just Fire Baby, I agree. Defense needs to be revamped. Al Saunders should call plays next season.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:03 am
There are no “ifs” with the Patriots, Steelers, Colts, Packers, etc, during their years of perennial playoff caliber play and coaching.
We must stop accepting excuses and ifs, stop being happy with .500 type seasons like the last two seasons where we blew so many games, so many opportunities to win the division. The roster and coaching/GMing is stuck in this current culture. It hasn’t broken thru. Meanwhile, Harbaugh, Ryan, Dominick, Sean Payton, can immediately get their teams right up there.
That’s what we MUST demand and make no “but” excusing of certain players and coaches, holding out in vain hope for “next season”. We’re gonna suffer thru the same sh^t again next season unless.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:03 am
Agree… To even attempt to move forward with Bresnahan is just stupid…he’s gotta go…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I THINK I AM WITH U ON THAT (POST-351)JFB.A BAD TIME 2 B MAKING DECISIONS THOUGH.STILL VERY ANGRY / DISGUSTED / PISSED..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:04 am
Although, what the Raiders need is someone like Jeff Fisher or Bill Cowher. Those guys could instill some discipline in the team.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I wish I could punch Mike Mitchell and Jerome Boyd in the face.
Looked like Branch wanted to punch “Missile” Mike on the sidelines after that Calvin Johnson first-half TD.
I think Stephen Hawking has a quicker back-peddle than Mike Mitchell. He looks like he is running in quick sand when he is in space.
Isn’t he supposed to be a 4.4 forty guy? Johnson blew past him like he was a 6.4 forty guy.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:04 am
Thought about this and here’s what I came up with:
Al Davis, God rest his soul, built this franchise and made it what it was, for good and ill. He is and forever will be a legend. His memory and accomplishments should be honored and never forgotten.
But now that he’s gone, this offseason Mark Davis has a chance to eliminate many of the negative traits Al brought to the team in his final years. MD clearly has zero desire to be the hands on presence his father was, which is good, for he isn’t and never has wanted to be a “football guy.”
What Davis can do is find a new GM he trusts and believes in and work with him to sweep away the detritus left by Al in his declining years: the coaching hires consisting of rookies or guys who were washed up years ago. The players who are on scholarship and display no leadership on the field and quit when things go wrong.
Bresnahan needs to go. That’s obvious, no one disagrees. Hue needs to go: I’m tired of rookie coaches in over their heads trying to find their way. As I’ve been saying for a while now, Hue is Mike White for the new millennium: a great offensive guy who believed his own press, undermined his successor and found the head coaching job more than he bargained for.
As for the players, “Al’s guys” should be shown the door. Obviously every player on the team is a “Davis guy” in some respect, since he signed off on every draft pick or free agent signing. Guys like McFadden, Moore, DHB, Shaughnessy, lil Wiz…these guys could find a home on any team. But I’m talking the scholarship crew: Seymour, Kelly, Routt, Murphy, Schilens, Wimbley, McClain etc etc etc. They need to go. The vestiges of the declining, crumbling years of the Davis dynasty need to be swept away while a new GM rebuilds and we remember and honor the glory years.
My plan, in short: find a proven HC…Fisher, Cowher, hell why not even give Chucky a call now that Al’s gone. Find a proven DC…Spagnuolo, Del Rio, whoever. Stand aside and let ‘em coach.
Meantime, I’d want the new GM to take crap foisted upon us by Davis and trade, trade, trade. Use them to accumulate a ton of picks in the mid-rounds–where the Raiders’s scouts have shown the ability to find gems–and rebuild the team from the ground up. Plug the holes with some solid free agents. Palmer is probably not going anywhere for the balance of his contract, no matter who is the coach…so let’s see what a young team with a veteran QB can accomplish and hope Pryor can develop in the next 2 or 3 years. If not, there’s always other QBs to draft or sign. (Pryor, incidentally, is the one Davis guy I’d keep…remember what Al told him the last time they talked? “Be patient, your day will come.” I agree with the old man; Pryor’s day as an NFL QB will come)
Anyway, it might be a grim year or two, but the dawn that would come would be brilliantly bright.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:08 am
When a team loses you hear ” ifs”… Sounds real good to say ya don’t want to hear ifs …. But are we all in agreement that our Defense would be better ” if” Bresnahan was gone and we had a new Dc?…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:09 am
#359…exactly
{yes im angry as hell, but im not gonna change my pov after a nights sleep or anything, the truth is the truth}
December 19th, 2011 at 7:10 am
Anybody hear why Boyd was laughing after his bonehead hit?… I couldn’t find anything funny at the time …
December 19th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:04 am
I wish I could punch Mike Mitchell and Jerome Boyd in the face.
Looked like Branch wanted to punch “Missile” Mike on the sidelines after that Calvin Johnson first-half TD.
I think Stephen Hawking has a quicker back-peddle than Mike Mitchell. He looks like he is running in quick sand when he is in space.
Isn’t he supposed to be a 4.4 forty guy? Johnson blew past him like he was a 6.4 forty guy.
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Boyd shouldn’t even be on this team. Safeties should not be covering Megatron. Time and time again yesterday, Calvin Johnson was being covered by safeties and linebackers. That was just inexcusable.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:11 am
SOUNDS GOOD SNBPA,JUST DONT KNOW HOW MANY MORE 3 YEAR REBUILDING PLANS I GOT IN ME.NOT GETTING ANY YOUNGER U KNOW..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Anybody hear why Boyd was laughing after his bonehead hit?… I couldn’t find anything funny at the time …
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Greater question is, why didn’t anyone on the coaching staff tell him the same thing?
All he got was a bunch of atta-boys from teammates, from what I saw.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:13 am
On the plus side, our offense could be great next year if players stay healthy.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:14 am
I think we win this game with Mike Huff healthy and playing.
MM34 and Jerome Boyd are Special Teams players ONLY, just like Sam Williams, Jon Condo and Rock Cartwright.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:14 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:12 am
Anybody hear why Boyd was laughing after his bonehead hit?… I couldn’t find anything funny at the time …
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Greater question is, why didn’t anyone on the coaching staff tell him the same thing?
All he got was a bunch of atta-boys from teammates, from what I saw.
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It was a great block, though. If he didn’t hit him in the helmet, everyone would have been giving him praise.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:16 am
“I thought that was a penalty,” Jackson said. “Obviously, they didn’t call it. What I saw, from what my vantage point is, I seen the guy grab, kind of hook Denarius.”
Regardless, Jackson feels as if he made the proper call.
“You have to take that shot,” Jackson said. “It looked … and the guy was wide open. If you’re going to do it, it’s good to do it early in the game so it doesn’t determine the outcome of the game.
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That call did determine the game numbnuts! Just like every decision on every play can determine the game. You think stats for the 1st qtr don’t count?
We lost as a team, and that being said this team doesn’t deserve to be in the playoffs this year. There’s no way this D can play for 60 min’s against top tier teams. Just like my handle, the 2 minute D get’s scorched time and time again. I’m sick of it, yet not surpirsed.
As much as i dislike Chuckie and wouldn’t be sad to see him pack his bags today, i doubt M. Davis has the nads to fire him. It’s up to Hue to press the issue. We need a GM badly!!
December 19th, 2011 at 7:17 am
It was a great block, though. If he didn’t hit him in the helmet, everyone would have been giving him praise.
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One of those new rule things that players need to account for.
On those blind-side blocks, you got to use your shoulder and only go about 75% on the guy.
You can’t unload with everything you have and hit him in the head.
Not the refs fault on these calls, the league is FORCING them to make these calls. It wasn’t the zebra’s ideas to start calling these new penalties.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:17 am
THATS THE THING FINGERS.U HAVE TO STOP SAYING “IF BRESNAHAN WAS GONE”,AND GET RID OF THE DUDE..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:18 am
#365: When Boyd started his act on the sideline Billick said, “Look at this clown”. The only reason Boyd has been playing is the injuries in the secondary. He will be gone in the off-season as will a few other players on D and Chucky B.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:19 am
Tough loss… Tough loss …the defense was ok for most of the game… Then the wheels came off during that last 7 minutes….even with Hues offensive blunders… The Defense should have been able to hold a 13 point lead with 7 minutes left…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:20 am
If Mark Davis is anything like his dad, Chuck B will be back next year STRICTLY because he has one more year on his contract, and Al refused to pay coaches to leave.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Tebow had one of the most amazing plays yesterday by a QB. He was almost sacked in the end zone but managed to stay on his feet. He fumbled the ball, then was able to pick it up and throw the ball away while being knocked out of the back of the endzone. No other QB in the league could make that play.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:20 am
If Mark Davis is anything like his dad, Chuck B will be back next year STRICTLY because he has one more year on his contract, and Al refused to pay coaches to leave.
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At minimum, any new GM will insist Chuck B goes. Bresnahan can’t be making that much anyway.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:21 am
Reggie Mckenzie (probably misspelled) for gm,,Jack Del Rio (my prediction 11/29) or Winston Moss ( would be hard to leave a good thing in GB) for DC. Let’s not waste time with it either. Too often we let all the good coaches get snatched up early while we sit around so we can be the last one in the headlines when it comes to offseason moves. As soon as black Monday comes,,we need to start cleaning up the house.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:22 am
Dirt… He’s gone after this year…. He was an Al pick ..not a Bresnahan defender here…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:22 am
SNBPA #359, TRUTH!
I’ve been saying that very thing to the Hue camp around here for weeks. Why not take the opportunity to get rid of his last few mistakes? Including the coach! Top to bottom!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Good thing about the way the Bronco’s are playing, is that they could lose to just about anybody since they are so offensively challenged.
They could lose to the Bills.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:24 am
If Raiders finish 7-9, I would get rid of Hue.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:24 am
I think Cable as HC and Hue as the OC was a better combo than Hue as a HC and Saunders as the OC.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Good thing about the way the Bronco’s are playing, is that they could lose to just about anybody since they are so offensively challenged.
They could lose to the Bills.
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True, I have been saying that for weeks now. However, I don’t know if the Raiders can win another game. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chargers win the division.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:25 am
If Raiders finish 7-9, I would get rid of Hue.
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Absolutely.
You can’t lose the last 5 games of the season when you are in the thick of the playoff race, and keep your job.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:25 am
I KNOW FINGERS.DID NOT MEAN TO SOUND LIKE I WAS BLAMING IT ON U.THIS WHOLE THING STINKS RIGHT NOW..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:26 am
Main targets in FA and the draft should be: A big run-stuffing DT…A solid cover CB…Another FS if only for depth…An OLB who can cover…A big gashing RB to replace Bush as he’s probably gone in FA…A RG or RT.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:26 am
Only way the Chargers get in is if they win out, and Bronco’s lose out and Raiders lose out. That’s what Greenberg just said on Mike and Mike.
Can’t see that happening.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:27 am
Do you fire a fist year coach for going 7& 9.. ?…if that’s where we end up?… I’m thinking No..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:27 am
True, I have been saying that for weeks now. However, I don’t know if the Raiders can win another game. I wouldn’t be surprised to see Chargers win the division.
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God, that would be the worst, having to deal with them coming from that far back again. I’d rather see Tebow and Denver take it.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:27 am
we will find out the next 2 weeks if Hue is a phony or not. he said he would build a bully, fix the penalties and make coach davis proud. Right now hes 0-3 in my book and needs to finish 9-7 to have any credibility . Im not sure good gms would want this job. we dont have a draft next year no 2nd round pick the following and it will take years to rebuild the defense. My hope is we release McClain and Seymour and use that money to get players with heart. Our linebacking core is so weak and Mcclain is the biggest issue. i cant blame the loss on Mccalin not making that tackle, but i do feel that play defines McClain. A linebacker who doesnt make plays when you need them.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:28 am
The interior of our line played very well yesterday I thought.
No penalties from Satele-Cooper-Wiz, we got some decent rushes right up the middle, and Suh was not much of a force all game.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:28 am
I hear ya Dirt… We agree
December 19th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Yeah boyd and giordano aren’t legit players in this league but we’ve been stuck with them all season because of injuries.But aside from that #363 was right, covering johnson with safeties and linebackers was inexcusable that’s why he ended up with over 200 yds receiving and a career day. Poor execution in the secondary has killed us all year chucky b must go
December 19th, 2011 at 7:28 am
Time for change davis did put some talent on the offense. A competent coordinator will figure that out
The team looked raggedy and uninspired. No fight. How are you not fired up to take on Miami? How come the raiders didn’t take the fight to green bay? KC did!
December 19th, 2011 at 7:29 am
Said last night, the funny thing is, the Raiders still have an excellent chance to get into the playoffs
The division title can be had by winning out & KC beating Denver in the last week of the season. (Incidentally, that will be the Kyle Orton Revenge Game, he’ll be coming into that motivated)
It’s actually harder to get into the Wild Card.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Good thing about the way the Bronco’s are playing, is that they could lose to just about anybody since they are so offensively challenged.
They could lose to the Bills.
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Apparently, you didn’t really watch that game. The Broncos had almost 450 yards of offense. That is not “challenged” by any standard.
Three fumbles are what killed the Broncos. That game could have been a lot closer than it was with better ball security.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:25 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:23 am
Good thing about the way the Bronco’s are playing, is that they could lose to just about anybody since they are so offensively challenged.
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that game is meaningless to us, it all comes down to us winning next 2 and chiefs beating broncos, thats the only way we win the division
December 19th, 2011 at 7:32 am
I was in here right after the game and guys were so frustrated they were snapping at eachother and bickering… We’re all frustrated… I try and not take anything personal..Their are some guys in here that know alot more than me… I’m just throwing out my thoughts on the game…. Tough , tough loss..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:33 am
I GUESS HUE BEING IMPRESSED WITH LAST WEEKS PRACTICES DOES NOT SAY MUCH..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:33 am
If we have a chance to get into the playoffs going into the last game, I will not feel comfortable. Chargers would love nothing more than to ruin our season.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:34 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
It’s actually harder to get into the Wild Card.
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Nah, the Raiders only need a lock of mermaid hair, some eye of newt, and a little dragon’s breath. Those are all readily available.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Going into the 4th qtr I thought we had it locked up…. Wrong…I should know better…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:38 am
Fingers Says:
I was in here right after the game and guys were so frustrated they were snapping at eachother and bickering…
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That’s the result of the ongoing divide between those that think Al is a god and left behind a great contender, and the rest of us who think this team is still a disaster created by a senile 80 year old man. So throw a little gasoline on the fire with an unacceptable loss at home, and it blows up quickly in here.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:39 am
I JUST THINK THAT ESPECIALLY THE PEOPLE WHO PUT UP THE MONEY,TIME AND EFFORT TO GO TO THE GAMES,BUT RAIDER FANS AS A WHOLE,DESERVE BETTER.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Reading this kind of re-broke my heart today:
- Ndamukong Suh said he got a thumb on Janikowski’s 65-yard field goal attempt, which would have won the game for the Raiders and set an NFL record in the process. Janikowski tied the existing record with a 63-yard field goal in Denver in Week 1.
“I can’t kick it any better,” Janikowski said. “The snap and Shane’s placement was perfect.”
How awesome would it have been to pull this one out of the fire on a 65-yard Seabass FG? When I saw the replay, it looked like the angle he hit it at was pretty good. A lot can happen with a football over the course of 65 yards to drive it one way or another, but I honestly think that one would’ve had a chance if it didn’t get deflected at the line.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:41 am
Raiding… Yes… And the fact that we blew a 13 point lead with some much on the line…. And also that the Donkeys finally lost and we didn’t take advantage….still sick about it…
December 19th, 2011 at 7:41 am
We are still dealing with the legacy of Al. Hopefully the new GM can rectify his mistakes.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:42 am
So much on the line ..
December 19th, 2011 at 7:43 am
Ok…I gotta do some chores and stay busy…. You guys take care… See ya a little later….
December 19th, 2011 at 7:44 am
How awesome would it have been to pull this one out of the fire on a 65-yard Seabass FG? When I saw the replay, it looked like the angle he hit it at was pretty good. A lot can happen with a football over the course of 65 yards to drive it one way or another, but I honestly think that one would’ve had a chance if it didn’t get deflected at the line.
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Pretty much any Jano field goal attempt under 70 yards has a shot if it he hits it straight.
I was thinking “He makes this, he makes it, just don’t blo…” then Suh blocked it
December 19th, 2011 at 7:44 am
Nah, the Raiders only need a lock of mermaid hair, some eye of newt, and a little dragon’s breath. Those are all readily available.
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Obviously.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Hue’s not going anywhere, regardless of what happens.
Hopefully he learns from his mistakes (like not going for 2 and calling a 50-yard bomb when all you need is 5 yards to seal the game, or going for it on 4th down against CLE instead of kicking to go up three scores) without losing his aggressiveness.
I typically love Hue’s aggressive calls. Too many coaches play not to lose. I don’t even mind going for it on 4th down early in the game. I like it. The play was there. Probably should’ve drawn a PI or illegal contact flag at minimum, but that didn’t cost us the game because you can’t presume the rest of the game plays out as it did if we took the 3 points there.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Hue’s not going anywhere, regardless of what happens.
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You’re almost certainly right, but at Cork’s next chat, I’m gonna ask “If Mark Davis finds his dream GM candidate and that guy says ‘I’ll take the job if I can let Jackson go’…what does MD do?”
December 19th, 2011 at 7:50 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:44 am
How awesome would it have been to pull this one out of the fire on a 65-yard Seabass FG? When I saw the replay, it looked like the angle he hit it at was pretty good. A lot can happen with a football over the course of 65 yards to drive it one way or another, but I honestly think that one would’ve had a chance if it didn’t get deflected at the line.
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Pretty much any Jano field goal attempt under 70 yards has a shot if it he hits it straight.
I was thinking “He makes this, he makes it, just don’t blo…” then Suh blocked it
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Game of inches. Suh’s hand goes a couple of inches to the right and who knows? We may be celebrating an incredible win right now.
How insane would the Coliseum have been if he hits that. Place would’ve gone berserk.
Wish we could’ve seen it.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:51 am
What I don’t like is the lack of fight. This team has absolutely no intangibles.
KC, san Diego and denver are fighting and playing hard with teams that have less talent on paper than the raiders. The jets dug themselves out and miami has represented down the stretch. Seattle and arizona have clawed their way back in contention and houston is winning with a 3rd stringer.
I don’t see any of the above with Hue’s raiders
December 19th, 2011 at 7:53 am
if hue is going to be our coach he has to do better in many areas .i think the first thing he needs to do is become the alpha male of our fine organization without question i think gruden sucks behind the microphone,but he’s one of the best coaches we have had .he made us winners with the same DC we have now ,i didnt care for the DC then either .one thing was for sure tho ,if you didnt perform gruden would cut your azz right now ,and he proved it too .so the entire team played as tho it could be their last game .so imo hue needs to take control without question and rattle some azz.wich he hasnt done as far as i know,someone needs to be made an example of to wake this team up or they will never fear being let go for under performing….kinda ruthless but nothing else seems to be working .no more free rides it has to be what have you done for me lately, this year ,so next year they will know its put up or shutup.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:53 am
You really can’t say hire a GM and tell the guy he has to keep Hue. Kind of defeats the purpose of bringing in an indepedent GM
December 19th, 2011 at 7:54 am
I would say what I normally say to start off the morning but I won’t…hey, the fans showed up yesterday! The team did in most part, but…Hue? Do I have to keep wondering what you were thinking?
December 19th, 2011 at 7:54 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:46 am
Hue’s not going anywhere, regardless of what happens.
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You’re almost certainly right, but at Cork’s next chat, I’m gonna ask “If Mark Davis finds his dream GM candidate and that guy says ‘I’ll take the job if I can let Jackson go’…what does MD do?”
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I don’t think that happens. I think Hue will even have some say or at minimum his opinion will probably be valued in selecting a GM.
Plus, I think Hue has done a good job. I really do. I don’t think a GM is likely to do that. This offense was atrocious for years before Hue got here. I give him a lot of credit for turning things around these last two years.
And the effort was excellent yesterday in my opinion. Those players were motivated. Unfortunately, we didn’t catch the breaks and Hue made some bad decisions that hurt us.
December 19th, 2011 at 7:55 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:51 am
What I don’t like is the lack of fight. This team has absolutely no intangibles.
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An excellent way to put it.
The fact that someone, ANYONE, on the defense didn’t find it within themselves to make a play on that last drive is disgusting. Where was Seymour or Wimbley with the clutch sack or Routt or Mitchell with the bigtime INT or pass deflection?
December 19th, 2011 at 7:57 am
Well, at least we got into position to win late…how fitting was that that Suh blocked that kick? Damm NFL!!! LOL…that would have been an all forgiving piece of mind if Jano made that…the place would have exploded and we would be back tied for first! Still…I hate it when it has to come down to Jano…
December 19th, 2011 at 8:02 am
Chris In NY Says:
This offense was atrocious for years before Hue got here. I give him a lot of credit for turning things around these last two years.
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That pre-2010 offense featured Jamarcus Russell. Schilens was the best receiver on the team, and he was always injured. Plus, 2010 was the first season we had McFadden for ALMOST every game.
You really need to look at all the factors that contributed to the offense’s turnaround. I don’t understand why some of you give him all the credit.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:04 am
What’s most frustrating about that block: we’ll never know if that was going through or not. If he makes it…history. Pandemonium.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:04 am
As of yesterday…not gonna say what I thought about Hue!!! But being negative is not me, nor will it ever change…staying positive that the all the stars and planets allign…and … ok, I’ll stop for a moment!
December 19th, 2011 at 8:07 am
# luvmarvhub Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 am
The “build a bully” phrase? Don’t you think it would have been best had Hue kept that as an in-house motivator? I mean, what does an opponent immediately think about a guy who calls his players “bullies”? I’d think they’d want to show who the bully really is.
You have to earn the term and until the Raiders actually earned it, I wish he had kept it between him and his players.
This is just one example of an error made by a rookie coach. I think he’ll learn; I just hope Hue’s capacity for learning is ample.
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Been saying that for 5 months. I know how I used to deal with bullies…and it wasn’t pretty.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:08 am
I called the QB draw before it happened. I seen in the middle spying on him……he still could not make the play. He NEEDS TO BE REPLACED
December 19th, 2011 at 8:10 am
# PA-RAIDER Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:08 am
I called the QB draw before it happened. I seen in the middle spying on him……he still could not make the play. He NEEDS TO BE REPLACED
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Very bad tackling..VERY VERY VERY BAD….
December 19th, 2011 at 8:11 am
in a perfect world im mark davis and im going to pick my staff from this blog so who do i pick ,and for what job hwnrdr would you like to interview for a coaching job ?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:15 am
B@uce needs to RB coach so he can get Tonga some carries.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:16 am
reece needs more action
December 19th, 2011 at 8:16 am
Even the experts agree . . .
Ask the Experts: Does Hue Jackson Have What It Takes to Be an NFL Head Coach?
11:30 PM ET
Max Rausch, B/R NFL Expert
Mike Ehrmann/Getty Images
Not yet. Jackson may develop into a quality head coach but, for now there are too many fundamental shortcomings in his approach. Hue’s biggest weakness is his tendency to call plays for the team he wish he had rather than the team actually on the field. On Sunday, Jackson twice squandered great scoring chances by dialing up long balls on 3rd and 3 and 4th and inches deep in Detroit territory. The Raiders are a run first team, and Jackson better hurry up and realize that when faced with a make or break play call a good coach goes with his teams’ biggest strength.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:18 am
“Us…And Them…And after all we’re only, ordinary men.”
December 19th, 2011 at 8:19 am
428.imaquaman Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:11 am
in a perfect world im mark davis and im going to pick my staff from this blog so who do i pick ,and for what job hwnrdr would you like to interview for a coaching job ?
Sorry Aquaman, just frustrated as heck! Like I said, the stars will allign and we will get in! I get what you’re saying though…I think…
December 19th, 2011 at 8:19 am
“For the Broncos — who still own a one-game lead in the AFC West thanks to Oakland’s very Raiders-like collapse against Detroit”
December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am
You really need to look at all the factors that contributed to the offense’s turnaround. I don’t understand why some of you give him all the credit.
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I really dont understand why you arent willing to give the guy ANY credit. Do you think Tom Cable would be doing any better right now? I mean come on. Hue dialing up a long pass on 3rd and 3, not his best call BUT the receiver was open. I would be MUCH more concerned with the guy who had Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd covering arguable the best WR in football deep over the center with the game on the line… if you ACTUALLY want look at why we lost.
I know you would rather just fire Hue today than look at all the facts though.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Still sick over this game.
There are a million things to second-guess, but it all comes down to the long pass to Johnson. We were in a Tampa 2, meaning the safeties split the deep field and were responsible for not letting any WR get past them.
Boyd, instead of staying back, came up and froze, letting Johnson run right past him. Despite all the focus on McClain running 40 yards down field, it was Boyd’s responsibility to make that play. He should have been behind Johnson, waiting to “field” that lame duck throw and knock it down.
I played safety in high school and I would have been benched for letting a receiver get past me in the last two minutes of a close game — even if he didn’t catch the pass.
Boyd should be cut this morning. Period.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Fire Chuck B.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:21 am
post 416 is how i feel
post 428 is just bull sheeting
December 19th, 2011 at 8:21 am
What happened to Giordano?? Why were Mitchell and Boyd in for him?
Obviously Huff was missed more than McFadden yesterday.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
I would be MUCH more concerned with the guy who had Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd covering arguable the best WR in football deep over the center with the game on the line
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Fire Chuck B. Not January 2nd, today.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
On Sunday, Jackson twice squandered great scoring chances by dialing up long balls on 3rd and 3 and 4th and inches deep in Detroit territory.
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Deep in Detroit territory? The 3rd and 3 wasn’t in FG range, it was a 64 yard FG. Also think its odd that this guy failed to mention that on BOTH of those plays the receiver was open. The 4th and 1 was an over throw (in part to the Lion CB interfering with moores ability to get there) and the 3rd and 3 if Chaz just runs under the ball instead of diving he is in for 6.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
Fire Chuck B. Not January 2nd, today.
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Now THAT is something I think we can ALL agree on.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
For those that ws watching from home…that ball that DHB fumbled…was it challengeable? Couldn’t tell from where I was sitting and they NEVER replayed it…
December 19th, 2011 at 8:25 am
Nah, clear fumble Hwnrdr.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Ok, thanks Bcz!
December 19th, 2011 at 8:26 am
Just lack of timing on last play to Chaz or he scores a TD. LIke you said earlier its a game of inches It was a good thing DHB did not catch the pass at the end or clock would have run out.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:27 am
The only enjoyment I got out of yesterday was watching Denver Lose…after getting every call and non-call known to man during their ridiculous win streak, they came up against a team that has been getting EVERY call and non-call for the past DECADE…
And the refs didn’t disappoint..
Every time I looked up Denver was getting flagged for something. Now if the refs would call those penalties when they played everyone else besides the Patriots, everyone would see Denver for what they truly are: A mediocre team with a Sh!tty QB..
December 19th, 2011 at 8:27 am
423.SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:04 am
What’s most frustrating about that block: we’ll never know if that was going through or not. If he makes it…history. Pandemonium.
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Yeah go figure Suh got his name called 3 times, 2 penalties and a game saving FG block.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:29 am
Well, the GM job…it would be wrong for a GM to come in, and not be able to choose who he feels best to get the job done, but so Al like to say hey, you’re hired but the coaching staff stays…do you guys feel it best to hire a GM and scratch the whole coaching staff? I mean is only Chuck B responsible for this current slide?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am
# Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
I would be MUCH more concerned with the guy who had Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd covering arguable the best WR in football deep over the center with the game on the line
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Fire Chuck B. Not January 2nd, today.
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Agreed, someone has to walk the plank, but we have no-one to take over for the last 2 games, and hell what if our guys start praying and by some miracle we make the playoffs…with no DC…
I say we wait till the offseason, and take Bresh to the guillotine the day the season ends..
December 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Real talk for a second, does anyone in here think that we could really compete in the playoffs if we made it? I mean really, if we DID make it in, we would get the Ravens or Steelers in the first round. Call me whatever you want, but this team just isn’t ready to compete with the likes of those teams yet.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:32 am
I wonder what words Mr. Madden will have with Mark. The eye in the sky sees everything.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:33 am
We could be one and done, but it would be s tep in the right direction to get there! But hey, remember now, crazier things have happened…did you really predict that Seattle, a 7-9 team, beat the living daylights out of the Saints? Or did anyone predict GB falling to KC yesterday?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:33 am
Agreed, someone has to walk the plank, but we have no-one to take over for the last 2 games, and hell what if our guys start praying and by some miracle we make the playoffs…with no DC…
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Hue could take over the defense and let Saunders run the offense. Brad Roll or Mike Waufle could also call the defense for 2 games. Mike Waufle declined being the DC when Al was alive knowing full well he wouldn’t have control, maybe that changes now that he would be free to do whatever is best for the team. I will say, I bet Als ‘Vanilla’ man up defense would have won us the game yesterday
December 19th, 2011 at 8:34 am
Yeah, clear fumble by DHB. Too bad, kid had a GREAT game yesterday. Ton of YAC. That’s the big, physical, explosive dude Al Davis envisioned.
I can’t slam him for the fumble. Not with teh way he was playing. It definitely hurt, but it happens. Kid was going hard and the defender snuck up and made a play.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:36 am
DHB had a career game yesterday but one play spoiled it all. If he doesnt fumble we win the game. Sh1t happens, unfortunately we had one too many sh1t happens moments yesterday, combined with a few WTF moments from Bres.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:38 am
bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Real talk for a second, does anyone in here think that we could really compete in the playoffs if we made it? I mean really, if we DID make it in, we would get the Ravens or Steelers in the first round. Call me whatever you want, but this team just isn’t ready to compete with the likes of those teams yet.
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Maybe you didn’t see the Ravens get owned by SD last night. Or when they lost to the Jags, Titans and Seahags.
AFC is wide open. There are no dominant teams. I think we’d have a shot and I think we’d have a great shot if McFadden were finally available to line up with Carson.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:39 am
Chris in NY Says:
I can’t slam him for the fumble. Not with teh way he was playing. It definitely hurt, but it happens. Kid was going hard and the defender snuck up and made a play.
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I agree. It happens. DHB is playing well. In fact, the O played well, except for Palmer missing those two, wide-open throws. Those were huge. The difference between a .500 team and a playoff team.
And Bresnehan’s schemes killed the D.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:39 am
AFC is wide open. There are no dominant teams. I think we’d have a shot and I think we’d have a great shot if McFadden were finally available to line up with Carson.
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McFadden ain’t coming back this year, playoffs or not. Thats part of the reason I said that.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:40 am
450.MikieG Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am
# Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:24 am
I would be MUCH more concerned with the guy who had Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd covering arguable the best WR in football deep over the center with the game on the line
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Fire Chuck B. Not January 2nd, today.
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Agreed, someone has to walk the plank, but we have no-one to take over for the last 2 games, and hell what if our guys start praying and by some miracle we make the playoffs…with no DC…
I say we wait till the offseason, and take Bresh to the guillotine the day the season ends..
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Waufle couldn’t do any worse than Chuck B. the guys been coaching defense forever, I’m sure he could manage.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:40 am
bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:36 am
DHB had a career game yesterday but one play spoiled it all. If he doesnt fumble we win the game. Sh1t happens, unfortunately we had one too many sh1t happens moments yesterday, combined with a few WTF moments from Bres.
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December 19th, 2011 at 8:42 am
Post 343,,,,
December 19th, 2011 at 8:42 am
I agree. It happens. DHB is playing well. In fact, the O played well, except for Palmer missing those two, wide-open throws. Those were huge. The difference between a .500 team and a playoff team.
And Bresnehan’s schemes killed the D.
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Make ‘em or miss ‘em Palmer didnt give up 14 points in 5 minutes. If the defense hangs on yesterday no one in here says a bad word about the guy who went 32-40 for 370 yards and a TD with a rating of 120.
The defense lost that game, not missed opportunitys on offense.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:43 am
We still built up a 13-point lead after that fumble.
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16 point lead minimum without that fumble. I STILL say its on the defense for losing that game.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:43 am
i dont think we would do anything at all based on the play of the last 3 weeks and im not sure about the next coulpe either .thats why i think someone has to be made an example out of. either player or coach .they have got to play as if their job depends on it .but they know it doesnt so hue has to prove he will make you accountable ,but so far he hasnt showed that ,as far as the DC goes promote from within for the last two games why not .its a good time to shake things up ,unless he plans on keeping the DC
December 19th, 2011 at 8:44 am
I just posted a beauty, but i typed ‘fkin’ in it, but forgot to omit the ‘uc.’
Too tired to do it again.
Fire chuck B.
D played hard, Kleenex Crew who said to fire everybody and start a bunch of undrafted guys? Idiotic. Pu$$y.
Hue called a brilliant game, just didn’t get executed 100%. Should he have made those two particular calls? Maybe not. Should they have been completed anyway? Definitely so.
Hue stays, Chuck goes. We need major help at 7-7. After the stars were all perfectly aligned too.
Dang.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:44 am
16 point lead minimum without that fumble. I STILL say its on the defense for losing that game.
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Are there people actually claiming otherwise?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:47 am
Post 377,,,
December 19th, 2011 at 8:47 am
What up NATION?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Hue can definitely look in the mirror for a couple of calls yesterday.
But DAMNNNN D!!!!!
27 pts on the board, at home, in a must win game should be MORE than enough to seal the deal.
We are ad at Hue because he couldn’t put up 30 pts, lol.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:30 am
Real talk for a second, does anyone in here think that we could really compete in the playoffs if we made it? I mean really, if we DID make it in, we would get the Ravens or Steelers in the first round. Call me whatever you want, but this team just isn’t ready to compete with the likes of those teams yet.
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The goal is to get to the playoffs. It doesn’t matter if you don’t stand a chance. It is especially important this year since the Raiders have no first round draft pick.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:48 am
Well, on the bright side…9-7 can still get this team in with a little help! Last year, it was 10-6…we need to get back and finish strong, no matter if the stars allign or not!
December 19th, 2011 at 8:49 am
Jon Condo’s high snap on the 65 yard field goal probably cost us the season and Jano in the record book.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:49 am
What’s up, Thec?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:49 am
I would really love to see Hue can Bres today, but in all honesty who would replace him? It’s not going to happen until after the season.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:49 am
I realize it’s extremely early in his coaching career, but I’ve always felt Rod Woodson will make an excellent coach. Dude played for like 15+ years under some of the greatest defensive coordinators (LeBeau) and on some of the greatest D’s (2000 Ravens) of the last 25 years. He knows how to play the game and I think he commands respect.
Would be bold, but I wouldn’t mind RW calling the shots on D next year. Pair him with a veteran defensive advisor with no aspirations for that job (kind of like the Jets have done on offense with Ted Marchibroda recently) and I think it could be a huge success.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:50 am
The defense lost that game, not missed opportunitys on offense.
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It was both.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Mike Mitchell and Boyd as our deep safety in a zone????
Calvin Johnson one on one with those guys????
Percentages say that Johnson is going to win at least a third of those. AT LEAST!!!
Bad chess playing Chuck B!
December 19th, 2011 at 8:51 am
Sure, they left points on the field yesterday. That missed pass by Palmer, DHB’s fumble, bad play calling, but this loss is all on the defense. You can’t let a team score 2 TDs in the last 5 minutes and go 98 yards on the last drive. You also can’t let Calvin Johnson get that open when you know he is their main weapon.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:52 am
I’m not writing off the the playoffs just yet but, it’ll be interesting to see the offseason without coach Davis waiting until after the SB to shuffle the coaching staff.
Regarding the playoffs, It’s not likely that we make any noise even if we do get in however, history shows that teams that make a run in the playoffs usually don’t do it their first year. You usally get beat up and learn from it.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Hue called a brilliant game
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Yeah, a deep pass late in the game when trying to kill the clock and passing on a FG in the 1st quarter were sure instances of brilliance.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Should’ve been doubling Johnson with Routt and a safety on that last drive. No doubt.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Well, on the bright side…9-7
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Jackson, Floyd, and Gates against our Tampa 2????
Gaither at LT?????
You think Chuck B can come up with something to slow those receivers down?
Or do you think our offense will be healthy enough to put up 38 pts?
December 19th, 2011 at 8:54 am
If Hue canned Bresh today, who cares who takes over…it would finally show accountability as a HC! However, it most likely will not happen until next month!
December 19th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Woodson couldn’t do much worse than Up Chuck B.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:57 am
Chris in NY, I doubt any coach in the history of coaching has been an NFL coordinator with only a year of any coaching under his belt.
Hue will try for that DB coach from the jets again, maybe his contract is up?? In the mean time I’d like to see what Waufle could do for 2 games.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:57 am
J Hill Says:
Percentages say that Johnson is going to win at least a third of those. AT LEAST!!!
Bad chess playing Chuck B!
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Chuck gets called out for not playing the percentages, but Hue gets called a genius for the same thing. You guys are fkn hilarious.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:58 am
483.J Hill Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:53 am
Well, on the bright side…9-7
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Jackson, Floyd, and Gates against our Tampa 2????
Gaither at LT?????
You think Chuck B can come up with something to slow those receivers down?
Or do you think our offense will be healthy enough to put up 38 pts?
Maybe, maybe not, but did I think that we would be up 13 in the 4th against Detroit? No…
December 19th, 2011 at 8:58 am
The ONE play that could have won the game was McClain tackling Stafford on that 4th down QB sneak.
How does he get shook by that guy?????
Defense is just NOT ready.
December 19th, 2011 at 8:59 am
but Hue gets called a genius for the same thing. You guys are fkn hilarious.
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Slow down mayne.
Show me where I said Hue was a genius?
December 19th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Win out and hope KC takes down Denver in Week 17. That’s all we can do.
As long as we win next week in KC, we’ll be kicking off in Week 17 with a shot to get in. We may not have our fate in our hands because it likely still requires a Denver loss at that point (their game takes place simultaneously) but I’ll take it. Should be exciting.
Just gotta beat KC.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Hwnrdr Says:
If Hue canned Bresh today, who cares who takes over…it would finally show accountability as a HC! However, it most likely will not happen until next month!
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Dude, Hue made a risky trade for Palmer. I’m pretty sure he’s already shown accountability.
A GM needs to be making these decisions, not a mistake-prone rookie head coach. Someone actually needs to be holding him accountable for once.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:00 am
Defense is a mess. Coaching, scheme and personnel range from shaky to abominable.
Offense can move the ball, but stalls out too much…what were they, like 1 for 9 on 3rd downs yesterday? Unacceptable. Add in Hue’s brainfreezes on playcalling and it can’t get the job done without DMac there to cover for the flaws by turning a 5 yard gain into a 50 yard gain.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:01 am
LA to the Bay, I just did the same thing, typed f,uc,ked!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:02 am
Woodson or (Biekert) for DC.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:03 am
J Hill Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:58 am
The ONE play that could have won the game was McClain tackling Stafford on that 4th down QB sneak.
How does he get shook by that guy?????
Defense is just NOT ready.
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Slow or lazy feet. RoMac is not a 4-3 MLB. Maybe he’s an OK 3-4 ILB. Regardless, Stafford is a decent athlete, but your MLB should be able to make an open-field tackle on him. Completely whiffed. Stafford goes in for a TD there if not for RoMac’s teammates coming to the rescue.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:04 am
A GM needs to be making these decisions, not a mistake-prone rookie head coach.
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Again I’ll ask you why you blame Hue for the Palmer trade?
Marc Davis and Amy Trask made that trade.
Raiders reached out to Garrard, Edwards, and a few other QBs.
Of course Hue signed off on Palmer, but you’re kidding yourself if Al Davis left Hue Jackson in charge of his Raiders.
A GM is needed to take these decisions away from Marc Davis!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:04 am
Stafford goes in for a TD there if not for RoMac’s teammates coming to the rescue.
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Would’ve actually been the best thing, sadly. Gives the offense more time.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:05 am
“Offense can move the ball, but stalls out too much…”
Yeah because we are missing a few key players like McFadden or Ford.
We have no room for mistakes when you are missing guys.
Penalties or one bad decision by the coach and there you have it.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:05 am
The way the final 2 games are looking we could potentially be relying on Kyle friggin Orton to beat the tebows in denver. That would be AMAZING! we win next week and then beat the bolts, and friggin Orton goes back to dungver and takes down donkey face and Teblow!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:05 am
Again I’ll ask you why you blame Hue for the Palmer trade?
Marc Davis and Amy Trask made that trade.
Of course Hue signed off on Palmer, but you’re kidding yourself if Al Davis left Hue Jackson in charge of his Raiders.
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You really think Trask & MD thought up that one on their own? Bull. Neither are “football people”; HueJax has been running that end of things since Al passed on.
I think you have it reversed. Jackson wanted it and MD/Trask signed off on it.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:06 am
It is obvious that most fans and the press would blame DHB for dropping the pass that would have given Janiko a 54 yd try. But won’t look at the sack that Palmer took, forcing the Raiders to call their last timeout and waste precious time. Even a high school QB knows that taking a sack in that situation is a drive killer, it is a Palmer problem that is what he is, he’ll find more ways to lose than to win.
You’re dreaming if you believe that Palmer will be any different next year just because he’ll have a full slate, you can’t make someone be what he never was. Raiders fans that have this great hope that Palmer will become a top ten QB are just dreaming, which is a good thing, dreaming is good, but just ask the Cincinnati fans if they would take Palmer back.
HueSux ego runs wild and crazy, why wouldn’t he? There is no one to hold him accountable, not the press nor most of the fans. Why? Maybe because he gives great speeches that tickle the Raider Nation’s fancy, a great salesman a lousy NFL head coach.
You can blame and rail against Bresnahan all you want, and deservingly so, but HueSux also wanted him here not just Mr. Davis. Didn’t HueSux tell us that he sat in on Bresnahan defensive meetings in Cincinnati?
HueSux, Bresnahan, Palmer, TJ doesn’t that smell like a bungle’s team disaster?
How to turn a promising Raider team into the Cincinnati bungles? Just dial HueSux and Palmer, and for all intents and purposes the Raiders are stuck with both. Sure Bresnahan will take the the dump, deservingly so, but do you think any defensive coordinator worth his salt would want to come and coach the Oakland bungles?
Best case scenario would be to get a qualified head coach, even a college coach, and maybe keep HueSux as offensive coordinator, so that he can keep selling tickets.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:07 am
Completely whiffed. Stafford goes in for a TD there if not for RoMac’s teammates coming to the rescue.
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Sad!
Just effinn sad mayne!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:08 am
Yeah, a deep pass late in the game when trying to kill the clock and passing on a FG in the 1st quarter were sure instances of brilliance.
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It was a good call. That same play to Murphy won the game three weeks ago. Detroit was playing run all the way, would have stopped Bush, and the clock would’ve gone down only to the two-minute warning. Schilens was wide-open. Palmer makes that throw–which he should–and the game is over.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:08 am
All I know is like this, we are not winning another game this year. I really hope I’m wrong, but at this rate we are broken and the D can’t stop anyone. The O needs it’s play makers back and some depth.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:09 am
“You just kick it, you go for one,” Jackson said. “There’s a time to go for two and there’s a time … to me, I thought going for one in that situation is the right thing to do, OK?”
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No, NOT OK.
With less than 8 mins to go, the choice was to go for 2 and either be up by 12 or 14, or take the xp and be up by 13.
If the 2 pt conversion fails, Det still needs two TDs to beat you. If it succeeds, two TDs only tie you.
In that circumstance whether you’re up by 12 OR 13 matters very little, but being up by 14 would have been huge.
You made a mistake there, Hue. A pretty big one, and you should realize it.
Reminds me of when Hue didn’t take the FG against the Browns that would have iced the game. Terrible decision, almost cost the Raids that win. And Hue had the audacity to say he’d probably do THAT again, as well.
This kind of crap can’t stand.
Also Hue, if you’re going to be super aggressive and forego easy FG attempts or chose to go for it on 4th and short – please consider some easier passes to complete – or maybe even running the ball.
Large part of this loss rests on some very poor tactical decisions by HJAX.
Don’t even get me started on how the heck CJ is running wide open down the middle of the field with Boyd and McClain trailing in coverage. Reefukingdiculous.
Coaching grade for this debacle: F-.
Absolutely horrific.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:10 am
This loss is NOT CP’s fault. CP can be a good QB if he has his tools. Give him another year I think you’ll like what he does, I know, I HATE saying ‘next year’ I really wanted to do something this year.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:11 am
502 is right, (well I only read your first paragraph) Palmer HAS to get rid of that ball. HUGE mental mistake.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:11 am
You really think Trask & MD thought up that one on their own?
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On their own???
I dont know about that.
But there are plenty of football people in the building. Again, ALL available QBs were looked at. Garrard neededd surgery. Edwards turned us down.
I’ll even meet you half way and say yeah it was Jackson pioneering the move.
Marc Davis and Amy Trask could have easily set the boundaries of the deal. THEY are the ones who agreed to the compensation, not the head coach.
They could have easily said, hey we tried but they wanted 2 #1s and we had to say no.
Don’t try and sit here and paint Trask as clueless and powerless.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Hue had no say in the hiring of Bres. None what so ever. He sat there and nodded his head because Al told him to.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:12 am
Detroit was playing run all the way, would have stopped Bush, and the clock would’ve gone down only to the two-minute warning. Schilens was wide-open. Palmer makes that throw–which he should–and the game is over.
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I agree Palmer should’ve made that throw, but it was a dumb play call in the first place.
Even a 1 yard gain by Bush runs damn near a minute off the clock. A high percentage slant route ices the game and has a much higher chance of succeeding.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:12 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:57 am
J Hill Says:
Percentages say that Johnson is going to win at least a third of those. AT LEAST!!!
Bad chess playing Chuck B!
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Chuck gets called out for not playing the percentages, but Hue gets called a genius for the same thing. You guys are fkn hilarious.
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Chuck was playing checkers.
And Hue going deep on 4th and 3rd downs is waaaaaaaaay different than letting Calvin Johnson go OFF on us all day and in particular the way he did it in the last 7 min.
Struggling to find your game on offense? Have no fear, you’re playing Oakland next!
Watch, next week Detroit probably loses by 14 and Calvin gets 3 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD.
And I have no idea who they play, btw.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am
The way the final 2 games are looking we could potentially be relying on Kyle friggin Orton to beat the tebows in denver. That would be AMAZING!
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Well they just beat GB.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am
J Hill Says:
Again I’ll ask you why you blame Hue for the Palmer trade?
Marc Davis and Amy Trask made that trade.
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First off, I didn’t “blame” anyone. I said he made a risky trade. If we fail to get to the playoffs in 2011 and 2012, then I’ll turn to the word “blame”.
Second, that was Hue Jackson’s trade. He said as much when it happened. Here’s a direct quote from Mercury News:
“Jackson said he never hesitated at the thought of parting with the draft picks and taking the proposal to Mark Davis, the son of late Raiders owner Al Davis, and CEO Amy Trask, because of his background with Palmer.”\
It is Hue’s trade. Mark and Amy merely rubber-stamped it. To argue otherwise is to ignore the facts.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am
Watch, next week Detroit probably loses by 14 and Calvin gets 3 catches, 40 yards, 0 TD.
And I have no idea who they play, btw.
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The Chargers travel to Detroit.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
I for one love the Palmer trade. Who would you rather have, Carson Palmer or RoMac? Carson Palmer or Robert Gallery? Carson Palmer or Napoleon Harris? Carson Palmer or Tyler Brayton?
My point is that the draft is a complete crapshoot. Half of all first-round picks will be busts. Most of the rest will be just OK. A handful will be very good to great, but even those guys will take a few years to develop.
And you guys want to talk about the two passes he missed yesterday. OK. Fair enough even though one was at least partially caused by illegal contact throwing Moore off his route and the other could have definitely been caught by Schilens. Now, what about the 32, I repeat 32 passes he did complete yesterday?
In four games last season Campbell completed 10 or fewer passes. Palmer takes us to a new level on offense. It’s just a shame he hasn’t been able to play with DMC in the backfield.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
502 is right, (well I only read your first paragraph) Palmer HAS to get rid of that ball. HUGE mental mistake.
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I was thinking the same exact thing. Why is Palmer holding the ball? Even without the sack, time’s ticking down; if it’s not there, throw it away!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
For the past 8 games the defense has folded and let teams back into the games. We snuck by and won three of them. Could have easily lost those. If we had a half way respectable defense we would be sitting pretty right now.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Raiderman99, Hue really did fvck up by not going for 2. I think he was so excited that the defense scored he didn’t even consider it. Lost in the moment. Speaking of that TD, how does Curry get a penalty for that celebration? It didn’t look like anything excessive or preplanned?!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:15 am
502 is right, (well I only read your first paragraph) Palmer HAS to get rid of that ball. HUGE mental mistake.
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Agreed.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:15 am
if mark davis doesnt know football he still gets credit for wanting to win and showed us by trying to get us a qb when campbell went down
December 19th, 2011 at 9:17 am
513.J Hill Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am
The way the final 2 games are looking we could potentially be relying on Kyle friggin Orton to beat the tebows in denver. That would be AMAZING!
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Well they just beat GB.
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It makes going to arrowhead and winning next week seem pretty gloomy.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Even a 1 yard gain by Bush runs damn near a minute off the clock. A high percentage slant route ices the game and has a much higher chance of succeeding.
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I think they could’ve run only about 20 seconds off the clock, before hitting the two-minute warning. I’m not sure OAK has a high percentage slant route.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am
# DKnight007 Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
Cry Me a Rivers is a LOSER and so is Norv Turner and the Chargers!But they are better then the Raiders so what does that make us?
December 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am
The D has some great players. Lot of guys want to cry about the personel (notable exception of the backup safeties).
Not me…. I think its clearly coaching.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:18 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:17 am
513.J Hill Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:13 am
The way the final 2 games are looking we could potentially be relying on Kyle friggin Orton to beat the tebows in denver. That would be AMAZING!
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Well they just beat GB.
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It makes going to arrowhead and winning next week seem pretty gloomy
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Trying to be optimistic, the Chiefs may have spent all their emotional energy in that win and come out flat.
Of course, blowing a game you should’ve won in the last 2 minutes will do that too….next week is a toss up at best.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:19 am
and taking the proposal to Mark Davis, the son of late Raiders owner Al Davis, and CEO Amy Trask, because of his background with Palmer.”\
It is Hue’s trade. Mark and Amy merely rubber-stamped it. To argue otherwise is to ignore the facts.
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We are using the same fact to argue different points of blame, lol.
I agree with your post.
I don’t fault Hue for wanting a 60 inch TV for XMas.
I fault the parents for buying it for him.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:19 am
another thought ,your the son of al davis and you dont know football ?
he had to learn something with a dad like al
December 19th, 2011 at 9:22 am
# LA to TheGay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:44 am
I just posted a beauty, but i typed ‘fkin’ in it, but forgot to omit the ‘uc.’
Too tired to do it again.
Keep chuck B.
D played hard, Kleenex Crew who said to fire everybody and start a bunch of undrafted guys? Idiotic. Pu$$y.
Hue called a horrible game, just can’t execute a team. Should he have made any calls? Maybe not. Should they have been completed anyway? Definitely not.
Hue goes, Chuck stays. We need major help at 7-7. After the stars were all perfectly aligned too.
Dang.Go Chargers!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:23 am
I will say it again. We should have traded a third or fourth round pick for Kyle Orton. Now we are going to be no better than last year, and have no first round pick. I like Palmer, but they just gave up too much for him.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:23 am
How awesome would it be if Orton beats Tebow and keeps Denver from the postseason after all?
Incidentally, the Chiefs are still mathematically alive in the division. And it’s not even that far-fetched. Here’s what they need:
- Win out vs. Oak and @Den
- Have Denver lose @Buff
- Have Oakland beat SD.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:23 am
# Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:55 am
Woodson couldn’t do much worse than Up Hue.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am
I will say this…There are two games you can hang squarely on the defense, despite offensive miscues: Buffalo and of course yesterday.
Win those two and we’re sitting at 9-5, in control of our own destiny.
You could also argue the defense blew the second Denver game–the Donks had touchdown plays of 27, 26 and 60 yards.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am
The D has some great players. Lot of guys want to cry about the personel (notable exception of the backup safeties).
Not me…. I think its clearly coaching.
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Agreed!
Tyvon Branch and Giordano should have been on the back end.
DVD, Sheppard, and Routt should have been matched up with their WRs.
Agreed with 99
Reeefkingdiculous!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:24 am
Imaquaman Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:19 am
another thought ,your the son of al davis and you dont know football ?
he had to learn something with a dad like al
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I have heard that the two weren’t that close. Al was too obsessed with football to spend time with his son.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Was it Mike White or Joe Bugel…can’t remember…
8-2, 8-8 at the end! I hope this is not what its coming to!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:25 am
I think it was the koolkell dude along with myself and a few others that were very concerned about our defense way back in preseason. Many said “it’s only preseason, it’ll be fixed” or “you can’t judge anything from preseason”.
Whether u can judge alot from that or not is debatable, but in fact it proved true. This defense SUCKS…PERIOD. The same issues showing in the preseason, the same ones we’ve seen for years in fact STILL EXIST.
The defense we saw in the preseason is the same POS D we’ve seen all year.
I look forward to the new GM we’ll get and a fresh start on D.
Then i’ll look forward to hearing all the excuses on this blog for the revamped D like “relax guys, it’s gonna take time to gel”. blahblahblahblahblah.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am
I’ll make this concession to those in Jackson’s camp: IF the Raiders finish 8-8 and IF he first Bresnahan first thing in the morning on January 2nd, I’m okay with him coming back for another year.
If they finish 7-9 or he keeps Bres on, though…eff him.
(Just to be clear, I’d let him go at the end of the season regardless, barring a playoff birth)
December 19th, 2011 at 9:27 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 7:26 am
Only way the Chargers get in is if they win out, and Bronco’s lose out and Raiders lose out. That’s what Greenberg just said on Mike and Mike.
I Can see that happening.GOOOOO CHARGERRRRRRSSSSS
December 19th, 2011 at 9:28 am
IF he first Bresnahan first thing
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Should’ve been “if he fires Bresnahan first thing”
December 19th, 2011 at 9:28 am
Early injuries to Huff, CJ37, DVD, and Chekwa set this secondary back out the gates.
If those guys are healthy all year, Boyd and Mitchell aren’t playing.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:30 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Was it Mike White or Joe Bugel…can’t remember…
8-2, 8-8 at the end! I hope this is not what its coming to!
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Mike White. We were destryoing teams the first half…
December 19th, 2011 at 9:31 am
# beach Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 8:56 pm
WAAHHH WAAAAHH WAAAAAAAH You Raider BABIES suck the Raiders Suck!!!!GOOOOO CHARGERS and DONKEYS!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:33 am
Did Giordano get hurt yesterday?? Why was he not playing those last 2 drives? Can’t recall if he was on for a few plays or not at all. If only a few, WHY?
December 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:49 am
What’s up, Thec?
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Whats good Brother?….
I know the 12th Raider was loud and proud…
December 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Master Beeecham Says:
December 18th, 2011 at 11:34 pm
All I know is the Raiders are even sorrier then the Titans!!!I’ll never waste my time rooting for this sorry ass team again!!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:14 am
Raiderman99, Hue really did fvck up by not going for 2. I think he was so excited that the defense scored he didn’t even consider it. Lost in the moment. Speaking of that TD, how does Curry get a penalty for that celebration? It didn’t look like anything excessive or preplanned?!
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Yeah, who even knows where the refs come up with decisions on that? Guys do choreographed routines. Dunk on the goalpost. All kinds of stuff.
The one that really got me though was the “blindside block” called on Boyd on Branch’s second half kick return. Those blocks happen all the time and I’ve never seen a single one flagged. I had no idea there was even such a penalty as a “blindside block.” WTF is that? Is it even on the books?
December 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
A new general manager is going to want to pick his own coach, who will then pick his own staff.
That’s the way its done. Anything less than that is suboptimal and will drive the team in the ditch.
I don’t see any GM seriously retaining Hue after this mess.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Being a raider fan and living in so cal. Is horrible.. I can’t root for the chargers…the fans are all ban wagoners and you should hear the radio stations..we gave them the best christmas gift ever…they always play soft then play hard when it counts. To bad the AFC West is terrible and no one can take the lead so they can’t catch up..Plz I bag you Hue get a game plan to win out the next two games…You should hear the charger fans out hear,,,plz shut them up….Plz all I want for christmas is Mcfadden back…..
December 19th, 2011 at 9:36 am
Chris In NY Says:
And you guys want to talk about the two passes he missed yesterday.
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I’m more concerned with those passes even being attempted in the first place. I don’t blame Carson so much for the missed throws.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:38 am
# Thec07 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:47 am
What up NATION?Not the sorry ass Raiders!I’d rather be a Niner!!
December 19th, 2011 at 9:41 am
I don’t like criticizing specific play calls. We just don’t know what the coaches are seeing or thinking that goes into determining a specific play call.
So generally, I don’t think that’s fair or accurate criticism, and I try to avoid that.
However, I think it must be said that Hue has a tendency to be overly aggressive in going for DAGGER kills on 4th and short – when a short easier route and completion would be more prudent – or running the ball would result in time off the clock when that’s a crucial factor.
Nope, don’t like criticizing specific calls, BUT a pattern of overtly questionable tactical decisions has emerged during the course of this season that must be addressed.
Hue can’t be allowed to get away with saying ‘I’d do it again’ when he OBVIOUSLY should have kicked the FG against the BROWNS – and he can’t get away with saying taking the xp was correct yesterday, when he should have gone for two after the Kelly/Curry TD.
If a head coach expects his players to be ACCOUNTABLE – then he damn sure has to be accountable too.
Sorry Hue, you’ve made some tactical mistakes and need to realize it, admit it and most importantly, NOT repeat these errors.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:42 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:25 am
Was it Mike White or Joe Bugel…can’t remember…
8-2, 8-8 at the end! I hope this is not what its coming to!
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It was under Mike White. We started 8-2 and lost 6 straight to finish 8-8.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:43 am
ChrisinNY,
Of course it could have been interesting to see how a new GM would have managed the #1 draft pick.
But now, like richard Seymour, we can celebrate our 1st rounder on the field now getting us all those clutch wins — SMH
December 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am
3rd down and 3 yards to go and we throw it deep when Bush had been ripping off 7 or 8 yards per carry in teh 4th quarter.
WHY????
December 19th, 2011 at 9:46 am
Here are the teams that have allowed more points than us this season:
- Vikings, 406 (2-12)
- Bucs, 401 (4-12)
- Colts, 395 (1-13)
That is all. Raiders (7-7) have allowed 382. An AVERAGE of 27.3 per game. AVERAGE of 27.3!!! And that’s not even swayed by a couple of poor outings. The median is right about there as well. Maybe 26.
Unless they pull some kind of miracle here, Chucky B and RoMac need to go kick rocks this offseason.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:47 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
It was under Mike White. We started 8-2 and lost 6 straight to finish 8-8.
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That freefall began against Dallas in 1995. I remember it all too well.
I was surrounded by fkn Cowboys fans at a friend’s house in Austin. I’ll never forget everyone laughing and cheering as Deion held up that intercepted ball for Vince Evans to see – while the play was still live!
What a horrible moment.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:48 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:44 am
3rd down and 3 yards to go and we throw it deep when Bush had been ripping off 7 or 8 yards per carry in teh 4th quarter.
WHY????
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The play was there. CP3 didnt execute. It was the exact same play that he completed to Murphy against Chicago. I dont blame the coach. the WR was open and that’s all we can ask for Hue. Get us a play that has the WR open. CP3 failed us on that throw.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Later guys, have faith that we can finish 9-7 and Orton spits in Elways face helping us win the division!
Fire Chuck B.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Seriously though, has anyone ever heard of a “blindside block” penalty before? Maybe it does exist and despite watching countless games of football for close to 30 years I’ve just never seen it called.
It definitely wasn’t a block in the back. And the official clearly called it a “blindside block.” Very strange.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
The play was there. CP3 didnt execute.
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He didn’t execute on a low percentage play. Go figure.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:51 am
If the Raiders do make the playoffs not sure how deep we go. It is hard to imagine if this team were helthy how far we could go or have went.
To many injuries and penalties this year.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:51 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:49 am
Later guys, have faith that we can finish 9-7 and Orton spits in Elways face helping us win the division!
Fire Chuck B.
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Part of Elway is probably hoping that Orton spits in his face. It’s his only hope to wriggle out from being saddled with Tebow for next year and beyond.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:53 am
Hue’s play calling was kind of suspect through out the year but he put us in a better position than we have been in for many years. Also, you can’t say this coach does not have confidence in his play makers to make plays. You can’t blame Hue for WRs not catching the ball on 3rd down or off sides. DBs not looking back at the ball geting called for pass interferance. QB not throwing the ball away, holding it way to long (rusty or not).
Anyone who knows football 101 knows those are things you are taught in little league now a days. Can’t blame Hue for that. He could sit them but he is already going to his bench to make plays.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:53 am
559. Maybe later in the week, but not now. I am devastated by how bad this defense is.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
You all gleefully ignored the calls to beef up this defense over the years. Excusing the beee esss saying “if the offense scores it will force the opponent to throw” or “they are gassed” or “tommy kelly and seymour are stout against run”. I excuse jarvis moss and his light frame getting walled off.
This is a terrible defense all around. Finally u guys get it
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
The play was there. CP3 didnt execute.
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He didn’t execute on a low percentage play. Go figure.
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Now Hue could have called for a shorter route to increase the probability of completion. However, this is the NFL. If you are a starting QB, you better make that throw if the WR is open. Truly a game of inches.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
Curry is stuck on stupid!
I guess he does not think he is trying until he gets a flag.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:51 am
If the Raiders do make the playoffs not sure how deep we go. It is hard to imagine if this team were helthy how far we could go or have went.
To many injuries and penalties this year.
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Thought about that many a time this season.
In the end, I want to make the playoffs, regardless of how well we do or don’t do.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am
I’m not going to criticize Hue too much for that 3rd and 3 pass. It is stupid to make that call when you could run more time off the clock. However, if they would have ran it, most likely they would not have got the first down. Clock would have ran to the two minute warning. As it ended up, Lechler made a great punt and the Lions had it at their OWN 2 YARD LINE with 2:11 left. That is all on the defense for losing the lead. Not running the clock down really didn’t hurt them that much.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Chris in NY, I didn’t see the call as I was probably getting some grub, but I found this rule and description: ( I’ve never heard of it)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09083/957938-100.stm
December 19th, 2011 at 9:56 am
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
The play was there. CP3 didnt execute.
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He didn’t execute on a low percentage play. Go figure.
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Thank you. That’s why it was a terrible call, even if it had worked. A five yard pass to Boss or Reece or anyone there and the game is OVER. Three kneel-downs and see you next Sunday.
Call made no sense in that spot. Maybe if it were tied or we were trailing and we thought we could try that on a short yardage situation it’d be OK. No sense in trying a play that has probably at best a 20% chance success rate there.
Also, Palmer’s throw was decent considering. Would’ve been a great catch, but Chaz did get his hands on it.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
You all gleefully ignored the calls to beef up this defense over the years. Excusing the beee esss saying “if the offense scores it will force the opponent to throw” or “they are gassed” or “tommy kelly and seymour are stout against run”. I excuse jarvis moss and his light frame getting walled off.
This is a terrible defense all around. Finally u guys get it
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Pfff.
Plenty of building blocks.
Just need a guy who can play chess and not checkers.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Seriously though, has anyone ever heard of a “blindside block” penalty before? Maybe it does exist and despite watching countless games of football for close to 30 years I’ve just never seen it called.
It definitely wasn’t a block in the back. And the official clearly called it a “blindside block.” Very strange.
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Even if it wasn’t a block in the back, which it wasn’t, it was still a helmet to helmet blow.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Seeing NE beat Den was more important.
Yesterday’s loss was not that big of a deal imo. Even if we won, we’d still be behind Denver. Sure it takes away rooting for Buff but it still comes down to KC’s Kyle Orton vs Tebow in Denver. I am very encouraged by KC’s performance yesterday. I think they will beat Denver and knock them out of the playoff.
We match up well against Orton.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:59 am
“CP3 failed us on that throw.”
No Chaz got both hands on the ball….when a WR can get both hands on a ball he is supposed to catch it.
The Denarius Moore pass was on target but Moore was held trying to break for the ball.
I know you want to blame Palmer so bad but you can’t do it here he completed almost 80% of his passes while throwing the ball 40 times with no INT’s or fumbles you cant ask for more out of your QB.
December 19th, 2011 at 9:59 am
J Hill Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:58 am
The ONE play that could have won the game was McClain tackling Stafford on that 4th down QB sneak.
How does he get shook by that guy?????
Defense is just NOT ready
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Imagine what Ray Lewis or Hell, Even Curry would have done to Stafford there….just f’n pathetic.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am
You all realize that Palmer is throwing that ball to a spot about 20 yards ahead of where Chaz is when he lets it go and has to try to hit him in stride. If Chaz’s looking back for the ball slows his pace even half a step it’s the difference between a perfect in-stride completion and a ball that bounces just off the receiver’s outstretched hands.
You do realize this?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Anybody else think Chaz should have kept running rather than leap at it?
It was DHB-esque.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am
566.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
You all gleefully ignored the calls to beef up this defense over the years. Excusing the beee esss saying “if the offense scores it will force the opponent to throw” or “they are gassed” or “tommy kelly and seymour are stout against run”. I excuse jarvis moss and his light frame getting walled off.
This is a terrible defense all around. Finally u guys get it
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Easy now! Watch that everybody. I was saying way back at the begining of the season that our defense made us a 500 team that may get close to the playoffs.
Even with a healty defense our DBs are to young to be on that island and we were not able to get a vet DB that was worth his weight in gold. Never was a big Huff or Routt fan to be honest. When we got the injuries early I was very concerned.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:01 am
Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:57 am
Chris In NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:50 am
Seriously though, has anyone ever heard of a “blindside block” penalty before? Maybe it does exist and despite watching countless games of football for close to 30 years I’ve just never seen it called.
It definitely wasn’t a block in the back. And the official clearly called it a “blindside block.” Very strange.
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Even if it wasn’t a block in the back, which it wasn’t, it was still a helmet to helmet blow
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Its called ‘getting earholed’ been legal since the beginning of time..till midway through last year..Old Habits die hard..
December 19th, 2011 at 10:01 am
579.LA to TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:00 am
Anybody else think Chaz should have kept running rather than leap at it?
It was DHB-esque.
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Chaz does not look as fast as he use to be to be honest. However, Palmer did put to much on it.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Stanford Routt proved yesterday that he does not deserve Nnamdi money. #21 would have never been burned like that yesterday.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am
D came out guns blazing.
They fought their a$$es off yesterday, same as they did in two blowout losses.
Scheme sucks.
Just watch what they were trying to do.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:55 am
Chris in NY, I didn’t see the call as I was probably getting some grub, but I found this rule and description: ( I’ve never heard of it)
http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/09083/957938-100.stm
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Thanks Carl. Fair enough. Boyd did hit him a bit high. Still, not a play that I’ve ever seen called before, but makes sense that it’s a relatively new rule.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am
It definitely wasn’t a block in the back. And the official clearly called it a “blindside block.” Very strange.
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Even if it wasn’t a block in the back, which it wasn’t, it was still a helmet to helmet blow.
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It’s the “Hines Ward Rule”: A blindside block if it comes from the blocker’s helmet, forearm or shoulder and lands to the head or neck area of the defender is illegal.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am
I thought Routt actually played pretty well. I think he should have shadowed Calvin way more than he did.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:04 am
Aig-Raiders Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Seeing NE beat Den was more important.
Yesterday’s loss was not that big of a deal imo. Even if we won, we’d still be behind Denver. Sure it takes away rooting for Buff but it still comes down to KC’s Kyle Orton vs Tebow in Denver. I am very encouraged by KC’s performance yesterday. I think they will beat Denver and knock them out of the playoff.
We match up well against Orton.
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One problem with that scenario, Raiders may not beat the Chiefs.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:04 am
so if cincy loses one (play az and balt) and NYJ loses one (giants and miami) and we win out we’re in? Both of those teams should lose one and broncos losing to the chiefs looks alot more possible now….
December 19th, 2011 at 10:05 am
I absolutely HATE that ‘next year’ stuff….. but I must say, we’re dangerously close to ‘next year’ territory.
And I think we will be a much better coached and much better disciplined team next year. (insert Fire Hue comment here if you must).
December 19th, 2011 at 10:05 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am
I thought Routt actually played pretty well. I think he should have shadowed Calvin way more than he did.
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The only way he could stop him was by holding and interfering with him.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:05 am
I have to give credit where credit is do. For a guy who was not even playing during a bkack out season. Palmer played pretty well yesterday. The reason they lost that game to Detroit was not Palmer. We made plays out there on the field. But we also did not execute when we needed to execute.
Looking back the defense and the defensive play calling blew that game!1!!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:06 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:04 am
so if cincy loses one (play az and balt) and NYJ loses one (giants and miami) and we win out we’re in? Both of those teams should lose one and broncos losing to the chiefs looks alot more possible now….
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Doesn’t TN fit into that somehow?
If they win out and we win out (if NYJ and Cincy loses), who has the tiebreaker?
I hate this tie-breaker sh;t.
What a wasted opportunity.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:06 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:04 am
so if cincy loses one (play az and balt) and NYJ loses one (giants and miami) and we win out we’re in? Both of those teams should lose one and broncos losing to the chiefs looks alot more possible now….
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Is that true? Not sure if we’d have the tiebreaker. Tenn could also be in that mix.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:07 am
591.Albert Bigelow Paine Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:05 am
LA To TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:03 am
I thought Routt actually played pretty well. I think he should have shadowed Calvin way more than he did.
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The only way he could stop him was by holding and interfering with him.
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Yeah! Routt has to look back at the ball.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:07 am
dang 98 yard drive to win the game and a blocked fg that jano would’ve broken the record with? That’s painful
December 19th, 2011 at 10:07 am
The only way he could stop him was by holding and interfering with him.
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Not true…. he broke up a few passes in textbook fashion.
And there were at least two holding or PI calls that I thought Routt was smart for taking.
Just my opinion.
I guess the alternative of letting him walk right through the middle of our Tampa 2 was better.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
CorkOnTheNFL
Just watched tape of today’s game. Can’t imagine a scheme that calls for MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson on deep route. Ever.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
What happens next year when Palmer gets hurt and were back down to our second stringer? I would like to Re-Sign Campbell as a backup for sure. Somebody is going to give him money to ‘compete’ for a job, and he will just end up being a backup elsewhere. Might as well be here…
If we don’t sign him, we BETTER a good number 2…QB’s get hurt on a daily basis in the NFL.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Chaz does not look as fast as he use to be to be honest. However, Palmer did put to much on it.
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Palmer admitted that he put too much on it. He should have lobbed it. For whatever reason, Palmer’s ball was a bit high yesterday. Even those over the middle/slant passes to DHB were usually pretty high.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
CorkOnTheNFL
Stanford Routt wanted shot at Calvin Johnson one-on-one. At $10 large per year, better believe I put Routt on Johnson every play.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
How come SUH got to take his helmet off after the kick on the field of play? No flag thrown? BullISHT!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:10 am
has Mistic commented on CPs performance? I mean that was elite level schit if you ask me
December 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am
One problem with that scenario, Raiders may not beat the Chiefs.
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dude, we will beat KC. Trust me.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Can’t imagine a scheme that calls for MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson on deep route. Ever.
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yeah no schit can’t blame mcclain for that freakin brian denehy needs to go
December 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Game of inches alright. This pic is tough to look at:
http://l.yimg.com/a/p/sp/editorial_image/dc/dcf3144c56ef05eda3f328139922a00a/janikowski_misses_yard_fg_would_have_won_game_broke_record.jpg
December 19th, 2011 at 10:13 am
freakin DHB I mean, he’s come along way but that turnover was huge.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:14 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:11 am
Can’t imagine a scheme that calls for MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson on deep route. Ever.
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yeah no schit can’t blame mcclain for that freakin brian denehy needs to go
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2 safeties and a MLB. That was our game plan against their #1 offensive weapon. All 81 did was come into the slot and Routt takes the outside guy. Stupid as hell scheme. Bresh may never get another DC gig again just for those 2 plays.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:14 am
This team is what it is, flawed in several areas (notably at WR, LB, secondary), riddled by injuries, and still prone to boneheaded mistakes. Can’t help but think that a more disciplinary front office and coaching staff could’ve wrung 2-3 more wins out of this talent–simply by creating a more professional culture than Davis ever allowed for. Mark Davis needs to take firm control in the offseason and bring in a headbanging GM who will put limits around Jackson’s power and demand accountability from the players. It all begins at the top.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:15 am
@ Chris,
Jano said he couldnt have kicked it any better than that one. SMH
December 19th, 2011 at 10:16 am
I keep having the feeling the Raiders will still be alive when SD comes to town. It is not that big a reach regardless if they win or lose at KC.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:18 am
God this D seriously irritates me. I calmed down since last night, but the blood pressure is back up thinking about it. Do thses players even care as much as we do or is it just a job to them?
I really feel bad for the guys that came to play and gave it their all. The oline played much better and DHB was fighting for all it was worth. It’s sad that this team gets held back by this worthless D coordinator and practice squad players filling in.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Beat KC and then you can dream of playoffs. Talking playoffs after yesterday is just a pipe dream.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:20 am
after all that would’ve won the game if Suh doesn’t block it, not only are we up against the refs but against a higher power, years of bad karma biting us in the a$$
December 19th, 2011 at 10:20 am
silverback Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:16 am
I keep having the feeling the Raiders will still be alive when SD comes to town. It is not that big a reach regardless if they win or lose at KC.
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Actually, I think if we lose at KC we’re officially done. No matter what.
As long as we win at KC we’ll be alive no matter what the Donks, Chargers, Jets, Bengals, etc. do going into our kickoff against SD.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Bresnahan is a UFL coach and has no business on an NFL field. He is an effin’ idiot! Other than that, he’s a really good guy.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:21 am
614. Bad karma, especially after the McClain incident, indeed.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:22 am
MikieG Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:09 am
How come SUH got to take his helmet off after the kick on the field of play? No flag thrown? BullISHT!
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You can take your helmet off when the game is over. The clock had expired.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:23 am
really a 98 yard drive?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:24 am
The problem is simple: Hue Jackson thinks he’s smarter than everyone. When you get in position to score, You take the three points. When you need 3 yards for a fist down, try to get enough for a first down, not a low percentage long pass. When your defense can’t stop anyone, you take the 3 points when they are available. Yes, Hue, you’re living on the edge al right…….about to fall over into the unemployment line. Take The Damn POINTS!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:24 am
Mistic is not going to say a word, because he can’t. He blamed Palmer and INTs for giving the D a short field to defend. How can that moron say anything after a 2 TDs and a 98 yard drive to lose the game?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:25 am
All the Raiders can do is go beat KC. Who knows with all the tiebreaker scenarios if we’d control our own destiny at that point or what. But all you can do is keep it alive keep it going.
It’s like in basketball. Fouling at the end of the game and making your own shots. That’s all we can do. Keep making our shots and extend the game.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:27 am
Another basketball analogy regarding yesterday:
Throwing that bomb was like passing up a 9-footer that would seal a game in favor of dribbling out for a 30-foot heave.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:28 am
No pride and poise whatsoever. That flame is a joke. 3-4 at home in front of sell out crowds. What a bunch of pansies!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:29 am
“has Mistic commented on CPs performance? I mean that was elite level schit if you ask me”
He will be here because we lost and he can blame Palmer for 2 throws that looked like his fault.
32-40 for 367 and 2 TD’s no INT’s no fumbles lost and two of those passes were clock killers so he was actually 32-38 which is over 80% completion rate and 9 yards a throw.
Solid performance by Palmer but not good enough to win.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:29 am
I don’t mind Hue going for in on 4th down early. None whatsoever. The play was there. Should’ve drawn a drive-extending flag that didn’t come.
Had to figure we needed touchdowns and not field goals in this one whenever possible given our D’s track record and the Lions’ explosive abilities on offense.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am
623. Hue has lost much respect as a Head Coach. He can’t get Boss involved in the offense? What a joke!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:30 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 9:54 am
You all gleefully ignored the calls to beef up this defense over the years. Excusing the beee esss saying “if the offense scores it will force the opponent to throw” or “they are gassed” or “tommy kelly and seymour are stout against run”. I excuse jarvis moss and his light frame getting walled off.
This is a terrible defense all around. Finally u guys get it
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Been saying that for a while now….The D with all its money ball guys DO NOT EARN THE PAY GRADE…
COUPLE THAT WITH AN INCOMPENTANT DCO SPEELS DISASTER…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:32 am
For all the MBUSH bashers notice how the running lanes opened up with DMO playing???
DMO, and JFORD are more critial to the offense than most realize….
Couple DMO, JFORD, and DHB this is a nightmare for opposition to defend…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:32 am
LA To TheBay Says:
Doesn’t TN fit into that somehow?
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I believe Tennessee will own the tiebreaker if both teams finish 9-7. They have no head-to-head games, both teams will be 7-5 in the AFC, so it falls to common opponent games. Tennessee will be 4-1 and the Raiders 3-2 in those.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:35 am
I think we’re a good DC away from being a powerhouse. Good DC=no 98 yard drive to win. Good DC=we score enough points to beat Tebow. Good DC=we beat Buff up 21-0. Good DC=Reggie Bush doesn’t run for 100 yards and Matt Moore doesn’t look like a pro bowler.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:36 am
This team is obviously a work in progress. I’ve bben saying all along that whatever we do this year will just be fine. Next year is when we will see real improvment. CP needs a training camp and we need to get some better defensive players and a new scheme that fits who we have on the roster. McLain is not a MLB in a 4-3. I saw that on the first paly of the game yesterday.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:38 am
Hate to dwell on the officiating,
BUT….
Think we’re all in agreement – there was illegal contact on DMoore that went uncalled – the ‘blindside block’ on the KOR was dubious…
Some very questionable calls that (of course) went against us.
I’d like the board’s opinion of the completion to CJ up the left sideline with about 1:33 remaining that went to booth review…
Appeared to me that CJ only got his right foot down, left was OOB…
Did I see it wrong ?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
Next year is when we will see real improvment.
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We say that every season though. It’s exhausting.
I’m tired of stupid players. I’m tired of questionable playcalling. I’m tired of penalties that kill the Raiders offensive drives or extend the opponents’ drives. I’m tired of second half collapses. I’m tired of getting blown out early in games. I’m tired of excuses. I’m tired of hearing coaches say they don’t know how to fix the problems, but they’re working on it.
Exhausting.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am
anyone notice that last td that Calvin scored their whole team dog piled him and a flag wasn’t thrown for excessive celebration? Curry got flagged for excessive celebration for playing punching bag with the goal post.
Imagine are field position if they had thrown a flag and DET got a 15 yrd penalty, would have been an easier FG. I’m not complaining though because our DEFENSE is sooooooooo bad.
PLEASE REVAMP THE D!
December 19th, 2011 at 10:41 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:35 am
I think we’re a good DC away from being a powerhouse. Good DC=no 98 yard drive to win. Good DC=we score enough points to beat Tebow. Good DC=we beat Buff up 21-0. Good DC=Reggie Bush doesn’t run for 100 yards and Matt Moore doesn’t look like a pro bowler.
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Awesome post Brother… To add we need to get some run stuffers, and some LB’s in FA as we do not have quality picks…
We aslo ned to send some of these high priced guys packing on the D….Pay guys who can actually make plays…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:42 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
Appeared to me that CJ only got his right foot down, left was OOB…
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No. One foot was planted, the other toe dragged on the grass inbounds. It was definitely a completion. They got it right.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:43 am
raiderjhawk Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:40 am
anyone notice that last td that Calvin scored their whole team dog piled him and a flag wasn’t thrown for excessive celebration? Curry got flagged for excessive celebration for playing punching bag with the goal post.
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To me celebrations are hella stupid…
ot only that you expend energy doping something stupid looking….
Be a Pro, act like you haver done it before, toss the ball to the zebra and keep it moving…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:47 am
I just got offered tickets for the game next weekend in KC… turned them down though because it’s Christmas Eve, might be a good time but the family would pry think I was a dead beat dad or something.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:47 am
I also think you lose focus and concetration when doing those goofy celebrations…
You make a great play get up give the ball to the ref, do not expend any extra energy doing some crazy aZZ dance…
Teams like New England never get caught up with the silly schit…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Took one on the chin today!”
– Text Sunday night from Raiders defensive end Richard Seymour, whose team dropped to 7-7 and will need a lot of help to make the playoffs.
“I am just starting to fight. I will never ever give up. Ever.”
– Text Sunday night from Raiders coach Hue Jackson.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:49 am
Deja vu Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:47 am
Took one on the chin today!”
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DCO needs to take a boot to the AZZ…
December 19th, 2011 at 10:52 am
“I am just starting to fight. I will never ever give up. Ever.”
– Text Sunday night from Raiders coach Hue Jackson.
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I like that.
I have no doubt Hue means what he says there. I hope he can get the players to follow suit.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:56 am
I like that.
I have no doubt Hue means what he says there. I hope he can get the players to follow suit.
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And his coaching staff…
I did not see the game however how in the eff do you give up 2 TD’s in 5 mins at home?
Bresh should have been given the Haley treatment a long time ago…
Question, how did McClain play?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Again, what GM will take a job and not be able to choose his coach? Any new GM must have that flexibility. Otherwise it doesn’t work. And I would not support a Hue Jax hand picked GM. He has not earned that right.
December 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am
who woulda thought DHB would have 775 yards at this point in the season?
December 19th, 2011 at 10:59 am
It was almost cruel to be teased with playoff hopes after 9 years of sucking ass.
Very painful to have a shot at the post season only to take a huge dump!
Sad sad day in Raider history!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:00 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Again, what GM will take a job and not be able to choose his coach? Any new GM must have that flexibility. Otherwise it doesn’t work. And I would not support a Hue Jax hand picked GM. He has not earned that right.
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I hear you however, what if the GM comes in with the option that if coach jackson sucs next year he is out?
I am not sure that coach jackson should be part of the GM hiring process… however it is going to be hard to replace coach jackson even if we do bring in a new GM. He had Coach Davis ear, and that will go a long way than a strager off the street who does not know the org. trust will be an issue initially….
December 19th, 2011 at 11:01 am
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 10:57 am
Again, what GM will take a job and not be able to choose his coach? Any new GM must have that flexibility. Otherwise it doesn’t work. And I would not support a Hue Jax hand picked GM. He has not earned that right.
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It is preposterous to think an owner would let his rookie head coach hire a GM. But this is the Raiders so you never know.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Question, how did McClain play?
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Slow and out of position.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:04 am
The worst part about yesterday is that it should have never happened. CJ should have been selected #1 overall in 2007.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Question, how did McClain play?
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det only rushed for 57 yards he had a sack and he’s still our best LB in coverage don’t know why in hell he’s covering receivers
December 19th, 2011 at 11:10 am
Deja Vu Says:
“I am just starting to fight. I will never ever give up. Ever.”
– Text Sunday night from Raiders coach Hue Jackson
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I’m glad you saved all your energy until week 16 to start fighting, Hue. You are a gawddam genius.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:11 am
Isn’t Madden helping out in picking a GM ?.. Thought I read that somewhere..
December 19th, 2011 at 11:12 am
Silverback Says:
It is preposterous to think an owner would let his rookie head coach hire a GM. But this is the Raiders so you never know.
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Let Hue hire a yesman as his superior? That could be catastrophic.
No, that WOULD be catastrophic.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:13 am
REPOST
Back from the game, digested what I saw and have finally thawed out – it was really cold out there today.
In this posting I think I’ll focus on who failed from my perspective. First of all, WE lost so that was the biggest overall failure. There were subsets of failures that contributed to the end result. They included, not in any particular level of importance: • HuJack calling a TD pass play on the 14 on 4th & 1. Just get the first down easily or kick the FG. Quit gambling when it’s not necessary. That was 3 or 7 lost points. • Bresnahan playing a modified 3-4 defense and NOT doubling Megatron on EVERY play. The 3-4 structure was the right idea especially since they had no run game whatsoever. • Schillins for running at least 3 patterns short of the first down marker on third down plays. • D-WOW for dropping a couple of receptions and zigging-in when he should have run an out pattern on a key third down play. • Palmer missing a wide open D-wow on two potential scoring plays – one n the end zone and the other on about their 20 yard line. • DHB fumbling after a long reception. But, he’s forgiven in my book because he otherwise had a best effort day receiving. And yes, he has turned out to be a better choice than Crabtree. Good pick Al. • Houshmanzadha caught his 2nd & 3rd receptions for the year today! Both were short of the first down marker. Adios Housh. • HuJack not going for a two point conversion after recovering the fumble for a TD. If he had gone for it, we minimally would have had a tie at the end. Another didn’t think it through Hue. 1 key point lost – possibly, the 28th point! • Stanford Routt for getting so many pass interference calls. In his defense, he was covering the best receiver on the field, often one on one. Overall, I think he did an admiral job. • Rolando McWhiffer while recording one great sack, also whiffed on some key tackles. • Bresnahan struck again on a 4th & 2 near our goal line and pulls Seymour & Kelly, our middle of the line heavyweights and goes with Moss & Houston I believe. Stafford then runs it up the middle for a first down. Just a dumb decision IMO. • MBush hasn’t really done anything exceptional for the last 3 weeks. Today he was VERY ordinary & unimpressive. • HuJack did NOT call Reece’s number often enough. He had the hot hand today but was not used enough. • For whatever reason, HuJack refuses to play runners other MBush. This is inexcusable especially when MBush is not holding a hot hand. MBush had a number of 1 yd. and 0 yard runs. He’s not really a starter in my book. • While Palmer’s numbers were good, his play simply did not look all that dominant. He didn’t look like an elite franchise QB today. • For the most part, the O-line played adequately. They could have been more dominant but the guys they were playing against were pretty good too. • Lechler was right on all day. He’s simply the greatest punter in the NFL today. • SeaBass is GOLD. The absolute best possible finish would have been him making the 65 yd. FG with 3 seconds left. It would have been a new NFL record and as important, a necessary win for the team. UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS NOT TO BE.
So who do I point the fickle finger of fate at for today’s fiasco? I think I have to award the digit to HuJack this week. He could have done a lot of things differently that WOULD have made a difference. This game was very winnable. It’s one thing to be a gambler, but it’s a different thing when you are betting with someone else’s money. I like Hue and DO want him back. I hope he has learned from his mistakes and makes the necessary changes for next year. Here’s what I suggest for next year Hue:
* Get a GM on board * Fire Bresnahan and get a decent DC * Take a serious look at the following Asst. coaches for possible replacement: – Sanjay Lai – WR – Brad Roll – Strengh & Conditioning – Greg Biekert – LB – John Fassel – STC * Switch to a 3-4 defensive structure * Acquire/draft a starting NT, LB, RT, BU-RB, tall WR * Move Taiwan Jones from RB to slot WR – he can’t pass block & could easily be our Wes Welker if he can catch. * Do whatever you can to $ incent Jason Campbell to remain as our BU-QB. Boller is bush league and having a good BU-QB is key as we’ve seen many times this year. * Let MBush go – He’s NOT what we thought he was and he can’t/won’t pass block * Trade Schilins & Murphy. Release Houshmanznanda * Move Wiz to center. Use Heyer @ LG & Barksdale to RG or RT. Get BCampbell up to snuff or dump him. He should either start on the O-line next year @ RG or RT or be gone. * Let Al Saunders call the plays next year. Hue needs to focus more on micro-managing coaches and players. Besides, I think Saunders is a wiser gambler.
I realize that statistically we could possibly still make the playoffs. Realistically, we are now in the next year’s planning cycle. I’ve already prepaid my season tickets for next year and will get to make a personalized visit to next year’s training camp in Napa (that’s a nice perk). Maybe I’ll print out this post & give it to Hue at camp next year. Maybe he might even consider some of this WISE ADVICE.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND BEST WISHES TO ALL THE RAIDER NATION FOR NEXT YEAR.
Remember, this year was practice. Next year is the real deal. Playoffs are NOT the goal. A SUPERBOWL VICTORY IS!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:02 am
Question, how did McClain play?
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Slow and out of position.
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thanks for the response
December 19th, 2011 at 11:13 am
Don’t need anymore yes men…. Bresnahan was an Al Davis ” yes Man”…… Enough…
December 19th, 2011 at 11:15 am
wow.
just wow.
awful.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:16 am
No we play a very good chiefs defense @KC in cold. and then we host the super hot chargers.
at least the jets lost. wildcard speaking.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:20 am
Let Hue hire a yesman as his superior? That could be catastrophic.
No, that WOULD be catastrophic.
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You and I differ in our opinion of Jackson, but we agree that the new GM should have the authority to can him on the day of his hire.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am
During the off season we went after Dennis Thurman (jets secondary coach) and Darren Perry (Packers secondary coach) to be our defensive coordinator.
We got stymied on both guys so we settled for Chucky B.
I remember at the time thinking this will eventually come back to haunt us……and so it has.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:22 am
I agree … The GM must be independent of Hue….I’d like to see John Madden have a strong hand in picking our GM..
December 19th, 2011 at 11:22 am
During the off season we went after Dennis Thurman (jets secondary coach) and Darren Perry (Packers secondary coach) to be our defensive coordinator.
We got stymied on both guys so we settled for Chucky B.
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good thing there are some good candidates who are jobless at the moment
December 19th, 2011 at 11:24 am
I don’t agree that we can Hue …I’m for giving him another year….but the GM has to have authority over Hue…
December 19th, 2011 at 11:24 am
666
December 19th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Armegedon
December 19th, 2011 at 11:27 am
you guys have a great day today…
1 NATION…
December 19th, 2011 at 11:28 am
Jesus. Why doesn’t Cork mention one damn thing how pathetic Chuck B was calling defensive plays in the last 4 minutes of the damn game???
Going Cover 2 on that 98 yard drive with a safety named Boyd playing back there??
When they probably havent even PRACTICED playing cover 2 all season long??
FIRE CHUCK B….get a REAL DC in here to turn this DEFENSE around!!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Lost in all this is the way we deployed DHB yesterday. That was by far the best game of his career. Short passes and allow him to fight for yds. Fumbles happen but he was a stud yesterday.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Chuck B deserves the same fate as Saddam Hussein.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:31 am
There’s a reason why QBs get credit for a team win, see Teabag, and there’s also a reason why QBs get blamed for losses. The same goes for coaches.
Palmer was brought in here with the idea that you have a veteran QB, that’s getting paid and treated as an elite-type, brought in here because the time is now, brought in here to make exactly the type of plays he didn’t make Sunday. Palmer’s history is such, the stats will wow you, not making plays in the clutch will kill you.
The defense without a play-maker is bad as it is, Seymour of course not showing up again when it mattered, add the stupid play-calling from a clueless coordinator, but weren’t HueSux and Bresnahan talking up a storm during the week? weren’t they talking about a rejuvenated attitude? Again this loss was a total team effort, HueSux can’t get away by throwing his players under the bus.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Why dont they ever run DHB on reverses? Murph looks like he wants to fall to the ground every time he has the ball.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:33 am
I’m certainly not ruling out a playoff appearance this year. Honestly though, not sure we DESERVE one.
Yes, injuries have decimated the offense. Sure would have been sweet to see the offense operating with DMAC, Ford, Moore and CP spending some time together. There’s reason to believe this unit can make some noise down the road.
Defensively however, there are MAJOR issues. First is the DCO. Then there’s the personnel questions. Plenty of those to address, and the draft doesn’t figure to offer much help.
The AFC West was there for the taking. Hard to swallow that we didn’t grab it.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:34 am
True… The play calling and coverage were a mystery during the last 7 minutes yesterday…
I saw Rod Woodson going ballistic on the sideline…I wish we could get Cork to get an interview with him… I’d like to know his thoughts on the play and coverages we saw yesterday during the 4th Qtr
December 19th, 2011 at 11:35 am
Yep… Been waiting for the Donkeys wheels to falloff … They finally lose and we don’t take advantage… Painful loss…
December 19th, 2011 at 11:36 am
i thought you told us that carson was a far better deep ball qb then the guy we had? he missed a wide open moore in the endzone by 15 yards!!!! That td is the difference in the game. we are not talking about any other scenarios if carson hits that play. Carson isnt living up to the billing.
how ever we did see that this team can play with anybody if the qb doesnt turn the ball over. Palmer played his best game in terms of protecting the ball. Even a few poor decisions were over shadowed by his arm strength as he snapped of a couple of throws between defenders. In the long run though he failed to make plays when he needed. the over throws left points on the field, and allowed our defense and dhbs’ fumble to become the focal points of the game.
lets hope though that carson has turned the corner, as long as he avoids the turn overs we can compete.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:38 am
674. Wrap your mind around the thought that a loss at KC seals last place.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:40 am
What up NATION?? Not too much for me to say that hasnt been said already…
Although I hate to admit it, my dad summed it up after the game when he said ‘they just arent a playoff caliber team’…
That being said, I still want a playoff berth and to see the Raiders play spoiler…
No matter what happens, Win, Lose or Tie… RAIDERS til I f@cking DIE!!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:40 am
So if Tebow loses this weekend and the Chiefs beat us, KC-Den week 17 will decide who wins the division.
Chiefs have a better chance than the Dolts apparently, with the tiebreakers.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:41 am
On the bright side look at what DHB is becoming. he is by far the best reciever on the team and he is clearly on the cusp of being one of the best in the afc west. he must continue to improve but iom certain that this game will motivate him to clean up the few miscues he made yesterday. I am so proud of this kid, he was the driving force that carried our offense yesterday and im glad palmer finally figured out that you need to feed him. He looked like t.O on those deep slants and post patterns, he is a human bumper car, with a jet engine
December 19th, 2011 at 11:42 am
656. I admire you for prepaying for season tickets. I have refused to pay for preseason games the last 2 seasons, and next season will be the same. I have little faith in this team hiring a GM. We haven’t had one for 10 years!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:36 am
i thought you told us that carson was a far better deep ball qb then the guy we had? he missed a wide open moore in the endzone by 15 yards!!!! That td is the difference in the game. we are not talking about any other scenarios if carson hits that play. Carson isnt living up to the billing.
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Dont think I agree with that… HuJack’s boneheaded pass play on 4th and 1 cost us the game.. Let downs on both sides of the ball and from the sidelines…
December 19th, 2011 at 11:43 am
Carson did well. yes out of his few incompletions one could say some really hurt us … true. But the Defense once again can;t win games for us. What a joke of a D.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:43 am
DHB is the 3rd receiver on the team. When healthy, Ford and Moore are better. He had a very good game, but again he choked in the clutch.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Moore was held on that play when he was breaking for the ball the pass was on target, grow some eyeballs!
I am sure you will be able to watch the game again on replay and when you do look at how Moore was held while trying to break for the ball.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:44 am
Other than being 40 for 40 for 367…2 spikes, 5 total drops and one hold on DMoore at the 10 that wasn’t called…GGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGGTTTTTTTTTTTFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUKKKKKKKKKKKKKKKOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!_!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:45 am
681. You are a r a ci s t. White QB commits a turnover, you are all over the guy. African American fumbles near the goal line, no mention of it.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:45 am
‘Sup fellas.
Said before the season that the AFC West was a race to 9-7. Just because of the schedule and facing the AFC East and NFC North. Pack,Bears, Pats and Jets…a tough draw.
Hell, 8-8 might get it done like SD a few years back.
The goal is still in reach, even after yesterdays epic meltdown. They pizzed away a golden opportunity, though. It was tough to take. They were the better team, and let one get away.
This defense simply cannot hold a lead. No lead is safe. Yesterday’s was just the latest example. They blew an 18 point lead in Buffalo, and had to hold on by the skin of their teeth against Cleveland, Minny and the Bears.
This team needs to develop a killer instinct, and oh, Chuck B needs to go.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:45 am
Beach Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:31 am
Chuck B deserves the same fate as Saddam Hussein.
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Hiding in a hole?
December 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am
I thought Palmer missed a couple key Throws…. But it happens..Stafford missed his share also..Goes with being a Qb…I thought Palmers play in general was pretty good…..
The Defense has to be able to hold a 13 point lead with 7 minutes left… Has too..
December 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Hopefully, you find another team to root for next season, because your QB will be on another team.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:46 am
” he is a human bumper car, with a jet engine”
Then how come he cant get separation on deep routes?
I see him as more of a possession receiver than a deep threat like Ford or Moore.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am
688 good post 100% true!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:47 am
I think Moore would have got the call if the defender turned him like he did and than stride for stride for him.
Immediately after the contact, the DB took a face-first digger on the play, and made it seem like incidental contact.
Bad break, bad play-call, bad pass.
What can you do.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:49 am
694. I can be brutally honest. I call ‘em like I see ‘em.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:41 am
On the bright side look at what DHB is becoming. he is by far the best reciever on the team and he is clearly on the cusp of being one of the best in the afc west. he must continue to improve but iom certain that this game will motivate him to clean up the few miscues he made yesterday. I am so proud of this kid, he was the driving force that carried our offense yesterday and im glad palmer finally figured out that you need to feed him. He looked like t.O on those deep slants and post patterns, he is a human bumper car, with a jet engine
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If his burst off the line of scrimmage becomes as strong as his acceleration after the catch he will be a very difficult cover.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:50 am
Ok, so we lost 3 in a row. 2 blowouts and 1 blowing a lead in 7 minutes. Who thinks we win @ KC?
By the way …. is Jerome Boyd better than Darren Sharper?
December 19th, 2011 at 11:50 am
And to say that McClain was slow and out of position is not at all true.
He got beat on the first pass and looked sluggish. Just missed on the QB draw play as well, although he did stop him from scoring, but they picked up the 1st.
He did make a great play on the 3rd and 1 stuff that resulted in a turnover the next play, and also had a sack and some good pressure on his blitzes.
He just missed on the CJ crossing pattern, but sadly that was about as good as anyone covered him all-day.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:51 am
662.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:21 am
During the off season we went after Dennis Thurman (jets secondary coach) and Darren Perry (Packers secondary coach) to be our defensive coordinator.
We got stymied on both guys so we settled for Chucky B.
I remember at the time thinking this will eventually come back to haunt us……and so it has.
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We also talked to Chuck Pagano (who was promoted to Ravens DC)and Ray Horton (former Pitt secondary coach who ended up being the Cards DC)
None of those LEGIT DC candidates wanted to deal with the meddling old man Al!
Now that Al has passed, we can go after someone like Spagnolo (who may get fired from the Rams) Del Rio or a 3-4 guy like Ravens LB coach Dean Pees turn that damn defense around!!
http://www.baltimoreravens.com/People/Coaches/Dean_Pees.aspx
Or go after Darren Perry again and see if he is ready to be a DC. Here is his resume:
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/darren-perry/23c7d6e1-2f60-440a-9cea-bd4a20b0426d
December 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am
REWATCH THE GAME EVERY THROW WAS IN THE HANDS OF THE RECIEVER EXCEPT 2 SPIKES AND THE THROW TO DMOORE…..RACIST POS…….40 FOR 40……
December 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am
CJ37 & Mike Huff were sorely missed.
Sheppard & Branch got exposed … they looked like Ron Parker & Hiram Eugene out there!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am
DHB still is not as crisp as he needs to be.
That double-move he tried when the DB was talking trash to our sideline was painfully obvious and sold very poorly.
He is a great YAC guy. Also said it.
But again the fumble was a killer, as was the dropped pass the 2nd to last play.
If he is going to be one of the “Best WR’s in the AFC West” he has to make those plays.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Sheppard & Branch got exposed … they looked like Ron Parker & Hiram Eugene out there!
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No mention of “Missile” Mike???
He was roasted and Branch wanted to kick his azz on the sidelines.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Palmer completed 80% of his passes with no INT’s or lost fumbles at 9 yards a toss.
He did his job.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Just watched tape of today’s game. Can’t imagine a scheme that calls for MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson on deep route. Ever.
11 hours ago
December 19th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Post 704.
Agreed. Chuck Bres and the D can’t close a game for us.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:54 am
Another blog fallacy…McClain has almost the identical stats as preacher having played one less game…..Another GTFOOH MOMENT…..!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 11:55 am
“CJ37 & Mike Huff were sorely missed.
Sheppard & Branch got exposed … they looked like Ron Parker & Hiram Eugene out there!”
I would also say I agree 100% with this.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:55 am
To keep hue or fire chuck or clean house or trade so and so does not matter.
Only one thing matters and thats hiring a GM.
This team has to have one and he will decide on Hue’s future.
PS I would fire him just because everyone wanted Cable fired for doing what Hue has done.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:55 am
“Obvious to say I’m disappointed is an understatment,” Raiders coach Hue Jackson said.
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time to go get the hands & feet taken care of?
December 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am
The Raiders fight all game long and Hue Jackson called a beautiful game ALL DAY LONG!!!! The Lions Defense could not get settled all day due to HUE mixing up the different screen packages, reverses, and running formations.
Hue Jackson did his job in preparing his team to get that victory. After Palmers first miss with moore I figure Palmer would not let the second miss with Schilens happen. He just has to make sure he has enough air under it. That has to be his Primary goal on those types of situation on forth down and third and short. You can’t worry about the catch and run just worry about the catch!!!!
The problem that cost the Raider’s games from the start of the season bit the Raiders in the butt again in this game. Defense!!! Rather the lack of it!!! In particular the secondary. I know Megatron is a great player. The way the ball was thrown to him late in the game should have gave the defense ,if played tighter in coverage, a chance to break on the ball. But the structure on the back end looses the battle of directing the receivers into a closing window time and time again. Until this problem is fixed the Raiders will be in a dog fight every week. They will not be able to beat inferior teams like an well established football team is supposed to do.
Hue, Get us ready for the next game like you perpared the Raiders for the last one. Every quaterback is not created equal. The Raiders must stop approaching each game with that mind set. The Raiders must start expecting to win more battles on defense when other teams put the ball in the air.
Raiders Be With You
December 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Silverback Says:
If his burst off the line of scrimmage becomes as strong as his acceleration after the catch he will be a very difficult cover.
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Yeah, what’s up with that? Is he getting bumped by the CBs at the LOS? He has speed, but why do we only see it after he gets the ball?
December 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Vegas,
Yeah, I guess you can call it a bad break. There should’ve been a flag. The guy knew he was beat, and grabbed Moore as he was falling down.
You see it all the time in the NFL. The announcer always credits the DB for making a smart play. taking the flag and living to fight another play, otherwise it’s an easy TD. Happens all the time.
Raiders just didn’t get the call.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:57 am
funny i remember clear as day, jc missed a couple of deep throws IN A WIN IN HOUSTON AND HE WAS KILLED IN HERE FOR IT. I mention the palmers horrendous over throws including one to a wide open guy in the endzone and im a racist.
so many claimed that palmer was a far better qb and they cited the deep passing as his main attribute, but it isnt showing up on sunday.
I want the same punk azz fools that beat up our qb for over throwing receivers in a win, to now show up and admit that the over throws in the loss were even worse.
of course you will also be admitting that what i said was true, ALL QBS WILL MISS DEEP PASSES, AND THE TEAM CAN STILL WIN IF THE MISSES ARE NOT COMPOUNDED BY TURN OVERS!
race has nothing to do with it
December 19th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Palmer completed 80% of his passes with no INT’s or lost fumbles at 9 yards a toss.
He did his job.
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How some people are getting on Palmer after this one is mind-blowing. Gotta chalk that up to either complete cluelessness or them having some other agenda.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am
“They blew an 18 point lead in Buffalo, and had to hold on by the skin of their teeth against Cleveland, Minny and the Bears.”
And the Texans and the Jets, even the mules
December 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am
I would fire him just because everyone wanted Cable fired for doing what Hue has done.
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Plunk = semi pro blogger
December 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:52 am
DHB still is not as crisp as he needs to be.
That double-move he tried when the DB was talking trash to our sideline was painfully obvious and sold very poorly.
He is a great YAC guy. Also said it.
But again the fumble was a killer, as was the dropped pass the 2nd to last play.
If he is going to be one of the “Best WR’s in the AFC West” he has to make those plays.
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I said he is becoming one of the best, he isnt there yet.
December 19th, 2011 at 11:59 am
RACIST…..POS………FUKKYOU…….!!!!!!_
December 19th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Only Raider fans can blame a QB who went 32-40 for 370 yards and 0 INTs for a loss.
FYI Mistic. Palmer didnt overthrow Chaz late. If Chaz just runs under the ball like WRs are SUPPOSED to instead of diving that ball falls right in his hands in stride and its 6 points. Watch it again, and take your hate for Palmer out of it. Trust me. I watched that one play about 15 times because I was arguing with my brother about it too. Chaz just runs under the ball and its game over.
The throw to Moore was a bit of an overthrow, but I think if Moore doesnt get held up by the Lion CB (should have been flagged) he catches that too.
Hard for me to blame a QB who (by your account) missed 2 plays when our defense let a team drive 98 yards in under 2 minutes with no timeouts. I can point to way more plays on defense that cost us that game than you can on offense.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
It’s wasn’t Qb play that lost the game… Can’t give up Bombs like our defense did yesterday…
The Defense did the samething out in Buffalo earlier..and at home aginst the Donks….. They have to learn how to closeout a game…
December 19th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:58 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
Palmer completed 80% of his passes with no INT’s or lost fumbles at 9 yards a toss.
He did his job.
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How some people are getting on Palmer after this one is mind-blowing. Gotta chalk that up to either complete cluelessness or them having some other agenda.
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nobody is getting on palmer. I am however going to point out that his overthrow of moore left a possible game winning td on the field. i am also going to point out that the last qb missed some deep passes IN WINS, and he was hammered for it. i am also going to point out that now those same people that were so critical of over throws in wins are now starngly silent on the over throw that could have won the game.
i will agree that there seems to be aome agenda other than football in play on this board.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:02 pm
“How some people are getting on Palmer after this one is mind-blowing. Gotta chalk that up to either complete cluelessness or them having some other agenda.”
So true its just one blogger who is being a douche today and we all know who that is.
Like I said watch the replay tomorrow on NFLN and you will see Moore getting held on that pass. The other pass Chaz has both hands on the ball and it got away. If a WR can get 2 hands on a ball he should catch it.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
OAK win and DEN loss this week is a must.
What else is new? LoL
December 19th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:56 am
Silverback Says:
If his burst off the line of scrimmage becomes as strong as his acceleration after the catch he will be a very difficult cover.
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Yeah, what’s up with that? Is he getting bumped by the CBs at the LOS? He has speed, but why do we only see it after he gets the ball?
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Some say it is because he is not a naturally fluid athlete. While this may be true, I believe he has the will to improve every aspect of his game.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:04 pm
Poor mistyeyes trying so hard to fault Palmer!
Keep on digging old man maybe one day you will find a bone!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Eh fvck it. Fire everyone. Fire all the players, all th coaches everyone that works for the organization all the way up to Mark Davis, and since he cant be fired, force him to sell. Start fresh next year. New players, new coaches, new employees from top to bottom.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Hue, Chuck B & the secondary … not Carson Palmer
anybody who doesn’t see that needs a pair of glasses or a slap in the face
December 19th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
# bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:01 pm
Only Raider fans can blame a QB who went 32-40 for 370 yards and 0 INTs for a loss.
FYI Mistic. Palmer didnt overthrow Chaz late. If Chaz just runs under the ball like WRs are SUPPOSED to instead of diving that ball falls right in his hands in stride and its 6 points. Watch it again, and take your hate for Palmer out of it. Trust me. I watched that one play about 15 times because I was arguing with my brother about it too. Chaz just runs under the ball and its game over.
The throw to Moore was a bit of an overthrow, but I think if Moore doesnt get held up by the Lion CB (should have been flagged) he catches that too.
Hard for me to blame a QB who (by your account) missed 2 plays when our defense let a team drive 98 yards in under 2 minutes with no timeouts. I can point to way more plays on defense that cost us that game than you can on offense.
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no one should blame the qb in this loss, he played the best game of his raider career.
I only want the same critisim for him for missing deep passes in the endzone in a loss, that everyone piled on our last qb for missing deep passes in a win. Isnt deep passing what everyone said was the biggest difference between who we had and who we have now?
he missed moore and threw it almost out of the endzone, and he missed chaz streaking down the side line, and even he admits it.
“Absolutely. Absolutely. The third down to Chaz, where I put too much on the ball,” Palmer said, “I need to give him a better chance to make a play on it. That’s a game-changing play.
“I had another one early on in the game to Denarius that I wish I would have hit. And that’s why I said, we just didn’t make enough plays and I didn’t make enough plays to give us a chance to put them away.” –
carson palmers words not mine
December 19th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Like I said watch the replay tomorrow on NFLN and you will see Moore getting held on that pass. The other pass Chaz has both hands on the ball and it got away. If a WR can get 2 hands on a ball he should catch it.
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Where was the burst from Chaz to run under the ball? Still a lower percentage throw.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
funny i remember clear as day, jc missed a couple of deep throws IN A WIN IN HOUSTON AND HE WAS KILLED IN HERE FOR I
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jason campbells qb rating vs houston 67.6, cp versus det 113.2. That’s not a good comparison
December 19th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
“Absolutely. Absolutely. The third down to Chaz, where I put too much on the ball,” Palmer said, “I need to give him a better chance to make a play on it. That’s a game-changing play.
“I had another one early on in the game to Denarius that I wish I would have hit. And that’s why I said, we just didn’t make enough plays and I didn’t make enough plays to give us a chance to put them away.”
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No one can accuse Palmer of finger pointing at the Defense.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
Nothing gets past the fact that with 7 minutes left you can’t let Stafford connect on deep bombs …and wipeout 13 point lead…. I believe it was poor defensive play and blown coverages… Again…our DB’s played pretty good for 3 &1/2 qrts …then the wheels cameoff….
Bresnahan has to go …
December 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RACIST……POS………FUKKYOU…..!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Hue
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Yep.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
By the way I’m calling it right now … Cheifs beat the Broncos with Orton.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
funny i remember clear as day, jc missed a couple of deep throws IN A WIN IN HOUSTON AND HE WAS KILLED IN HERE FOR I
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jason campbells qb rating vs houston 67.6, cp versus det 113.2. That’s not a good comparison
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palmer had a better rating but lost, both games included missed deep passes. people killed our qb for missing deep passes and cited that palmer would be a major upgrade in that department but it hasnt happened.
why dont those same pople trash palmer for missing deep passes?
like i said then ill say now, ALL QBS’ MISS DEEP PASSES!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Jesus. Why doesn’t Cork mention one damn thing how pathetic Chuck B was calling defensive plays in the last 4 minutes of the damn game???
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You most likely won’t hear Cork mention a bad thing about Chuckie. Steve stated that he liked Chuckie in one of his chats and said “he’s a nice guy”
DHB on the other hand, i’m sure he still believes is 5th on the depth chart. LOL
December 19th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Silverback …I agree , Palmers been a stand up guy… He’s taken responsibility even where he didn’t need to..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I only want the same critisim for him for missing deep passes in the endzone in a loss, that everyone piled on our last qb for missing deep passes in a win. Isnt deep passing what everyone said was the biggest difference between who we had and who we have now?
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It would be OK if those passes were missed on 1st or 2nd down. The problem is the idiot coach calling those plays on 3rd or 4th and short. That’s not Palmer’s fault. Hue dialed that stupid sh!t up for him.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Silverback Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
“Absolutely. Absolutely. The third down to Chaz, where I put too much on the ball,” Palmer said, “I need to give him a better chance to make a play on it. That’s a game-changing play.
“I had another one early on in the game to Denarius that I wish I would have hit. And that’s why I said, we just didn’t make enough plays and I didn’t make enough plays to give us a chance to put them away.”
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No one can accuse Palmer of finger pointing at the Defense.
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Glad to see he showed some accountability there. Can’t even really fault him for real either. Dude was 32 of 40. What I don’t like is he threw the rock 40 times and Bush got less than 20 carries. Either way though; we still did enough to win the game for the most part. Came down to heart and will and as hard as it is to swallow; we didn’t show any down the stretch…..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Lot of people were in here yesterday and on and off today blaming Palmer. It’s not just Mistic.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Plunk = semi pro blogger
Is that a good thing or a bad thing?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
“this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Hue, Chuck B & the secondary … not Carson Palmer
anybody who doesn’t see that needs a pair of glasses or a slap in the face”
Great post RRS!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Campbell had one game that resembled anything that Palmer is capable of: the loss at Buffalo. Again, you are missing the entire point. This team, if it had a defense, would be 10-4 and have already clinched the division. Hang Chuck B!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
# RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I only want the same critisim for him for missing deep passes in the endzone in a loss, that everyone piled on our last qb for missing deep passes in a win. Isnt deep passing what everyone said was the biggest difference between who we had and who we have now?
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It would be OK if those passes were missed on 1st or 2nd down. The problem is the idiot coach calling those plays on 3rd or 4th and short. That’s not Palmer’s fault. Hue dialed that stupid sh!t up for him.
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I disagree. the defense hasnt proven to be good enough to play it close the vest. Both shots were open, the qb just missed the targets. If that pass is complete in the endzone we arent even having this discussion.
that is a play that the qb has to hit, or he certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
December 19th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
It would be OK if those passes were missed on 1st or 2nd down. The problem is the idiot coach calling those plays on 3rd or 4th and short. That’s not Palmer’s fault. Hue dialed that stupid sh!t up for him.
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Palmer probably could have check out of the 4 qtr. deep ball.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
like i said then ill say now, ALL QBS’ MISS DEEP PASSES!
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JC will be a good qb for someone else next year
December 19th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
706.raiderinparadise Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:53 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Just watched tape of today’s game. Can’t imagine a scheme that calls for MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson on deep route. Ever.
11 hours ago
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Finally…Cork is talking about the failures of defensive play callingthe last 4 minutes of the game when Chuck B and his crappy scheming and play calling cost us the damn game!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
“this loss falls squarely on the shoulders of Hue, Chuck B & the secondary … not Carson Palmer
anybody who doesn’t see that needs a pair of glasses or a slap in the face”
Great post RRS!
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Absolutely.
I love Hue. But he sh!t the bed by not going for 2 and calling that low-percentage bomb when 5 yards seals the game.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
Yes Palmer manned up and took the blame. But its painfully obvious to the rest of us that those were well thrown balls.
Moore was held and Chaz didn’t run under the ball, but Chaz also got two hands on it which means he has to catch it.
So the fact that Palmer took the blame shows he is a man and will not point fingers. But most of us who have somewhat of a football IQ can see what happened on those plays.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I only want the same critisim for him for missing deep passes in the endzone in a loss, that everyone piled on our last qb for missing deep passes in a win. Isnt deep passing what everyone said was the biggest difference between who we had and who we have now?
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It would be OK if those passes were missed on 1st or 2nd down. The problem is the idiot coach calling those plays on 3rd or 4th and short. That’s not Palmer’s fault. Hue dialed that stupid sh!t up for him.
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Can’t blame it on Hue either…players gotta make plays…The D had 99 yards behind ‘em as an extra weapon and we let Detroit gobble up every one of ‘em….Regardless of lapses on offense and questionable calls (definitely would’ve liked to run the rock on that last 3rd and 2…as crazy as it sounds; how about another end around/reverse at that moment?…they worked brilliantly the first few times and it takes the play longer to develop thus eating more secs), O did enough to win the game…..Defense has to step up and not give up a two score lead with 7 minutes….
December 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
DHB= Tebow
December 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Mystic… I was fine with Campbell till he was hurt…fate played his hand.. Campbell was injured and out for the year…. Palmer was there… Hue always wanted Palmer and he made the trade…. Just workedout that way…and now I’m in Palmers corner the sameway I was in Campbell’s..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
By the way I’m calling it right now … Cheifs beat the Broncos with Orton.
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It means nothing unless we beat the Chiefs!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
So should we have picked up Orton instead of Palmer??
Funny how nobody had a good thing to say about him before yesterday, then he lights up the Pack…
December 19th, 2011 at 12:16 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I disagree. the defense hasnt proven to be good enough to play it close the vest.
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Right. That’s exactly why you take the easy points when they’re there. Your defense sucks, so any gimme points should be converted. You kick that fkn field goal. To argue otherwise is asinine.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Came down to heart and will and as hard as it is to swallow; we didn’t show any down the stretch…..
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I personally think that the Raiders lacked a solid dline rotation in the 4th qtr.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Doesn’t matter if Chuck B is a nice guy or not!
That guy has cost this team wins and that was predictable from the preseason!
Even in the games that we won….his defensive play calling almost blew those leads as well!!
If we had a better DC and an average defense, we would have won the division by now!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:12 pm
Lot of people were in here yesterday and on and off today blaming Palmer. It’s not just Mistic.
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I didnt blame palmer, but i am poniting out the over throws, because people said that the over throws by our other qb would be a thing of the past with the instant upgrade of palmer.
I just want those same people to now heap that same criticize on palmer or admit there is another reason why they touted palmer as an upgrade.
palmer didnt turn over the ball and played well, of course the over throw was critical, but that alone shouldnt be a reason to loose a game
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
For the Raiders to make the playoffs, one of two things needs to happen.
One, they need to finish ahead of the Broncos in the AFC West, unless the Broncos lose to the Kansas City Chiefs on Jan. 1. In that case, the Raiders would win the tiebreaker based on a better divisional record, assuming the Raiders beat the Chiefs on Saturday and the San Diego Chargers on Jan. 1.
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the two teams left onthe schedule are the two teams that just got “hot”
Anybody feeling great about the Raiders chances after 3 straight losses in a freefall from 1st place?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
or he certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
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Cp has not been elite for us but i’ll say this game was an elite performance. Dmoore pass he was held, schilens looks damn slow and he had both hands on it. what were two of the incompletions spikes to stop the clock? that’s 32 for 38 0 Int’s pretty elite performance because even Brady and Rodgers and Manning and Brees miss a couple passes a game
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
The will to win does not exist with Chuck B and his overpaid bunch of losers on defense!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
One last point…if we run the ball on that 3rd and 3 instead of throwing it we can also run another 45 seconds off the clock which might have been enough to keep Detroit out of the end zone on that last drive.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
Cover 2 with a MLB and a backup safety who hasn’t even practiced playing Cover 2 all year long! haha
Brilliant job there Chuck B….you should have never been hired in the 1st place.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
now that the extreme double standard for our qbs’ has been exposed, lets hope palmer has turned a corner and figured out that all he needs to do is hit guy when they are wide open and avoid turn overs.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
I was able to watch the Chefs/ Pack game yesterday….the Packer recievers wernt catching passes like they had all year… Ton of drops…
I won’t take anything from the Chefs but the Packer offense wasn’t sharp at all ..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Beach Says:
It means nothing unless we beat the Chiefs!
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Yeah, that’s the funny thing about some of these jokers in here. For some reason, everything they see over the season makes them think we will easily handle the Chiefs, but somehow the Chiefs will knock out the Broncos.
Obviously some of us interpret yesterday’s events a little differently.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Why do I get the awful feeling that Tebow should have just ended our season yesterday by beating the Pats? Now we have to sit and watch and pray that this team can go to play in the bitter cold of KC and win (after they beat Green Bay)!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
or he certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
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Cp has not been elite for us but i’ll say this game was an elite performance. Dmoore pass he was held, schilens looks damn slow and he had both hands on it. what were two of the incompletions spikes to stop the clock?
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dont make excuses he simply missed the targets, it happens. All qbs will miss deep passes. he admitted as much why wont you
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Doesn’t matter if Chuck B is a nice guy or not!
That guy has cost this team wins and that was predictable from the preseason!
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I’ve said this before, he sucked 10 years ago.. Why in the heck would Al bring him back… Al was penny pinching… His defenses cost us SO MANY games!!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
I can’t even think Playoffs…. I’d just like to see the Raiders win in Kc ..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
765.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:18 pm
One last point…if we run the ball on that 3rd and 3 instead of throwing it we can also run another 45 seconds off the clock which might have been enough to keep Detroit out of the end zone on that last drive.
Put that in your pipe and smoke it.
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“Might” is the key word. That Chuck B lead crappy defense would have gave it up regardless man.
At least Huey has cajones and tries to end the game instead of relying on that crappy defense to try and close it out.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Would have, could have, should have. This day just plain sucks!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
dont make excuses he simply missed the targets, it happens. All qbs will miss deep passes. he admitted as much why wont you
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32 for 38 with 0 ints isn’t elite in your book?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
Anybody feeling great about the Raiders chances after 3 straight losses in a freefall from 1st place?
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Doesn’t matter what fans and semi’s think. The question is do the Raider players and coaches work their asses off for it.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
I think we can all agree that over throwing deep passes is not enough to keep you from winning, in most cases. Funny though that it took a change at qb for you to finally agree with me on this point.
Comical and sad
December 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
I question Hue’s judgement sometimes. I think he gets a lil too aggressive sometimes..almost reckless…and in the Browns game, foolish.
However, the talk of firing him after one season is nonsense. The guy is a bright offensive mind and where they have come…from where they were before his arrival is mind boggling.
In his first year as a head coach, he has had to overcome: A players lockout with no real training camp, the death of the teams Iconic owner, and face of the franchise. The loss of his starting QB, and RB, who was leading the league in rushing when he went down. The decimation of his WR corps, including exciting young playmakers D Moore and Jacoby Ford.
Plus pulling off the blockbuster trade and integrating a new QB right off of his couch in midseason.
Give this guy an offseason with Palmer and all these weapons, and most importantly a new DC who isn’t fresh from the UFL, Mike Nolan would be awesome….and I think the next few years look very exciting for Oakland Raiders fans. Despite the bad taste yesterdays loss left in everybody’s mouth.
Besides, this season isn’t even over. Two weeks to go and they still have a punchers chance. Win out over two division foes and see how it plays out.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:24 pm
766. I admitted that Palmer had a bad game in Green Bay last week. It is a fair assessment to get on him for throwing 4 picks. Not yesterday, man. Not many people can buy that.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I didn’t like Bresnahans defense before either… I remember we were all saying the samething then… That he’s schemes suck…or that Al’s schemes suck… But he wasn’t popular with the Nation before .. Nothings changed.. That’s one of the Al mistakes .. And management need to fix it
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
now that the extreme double standard for our qbs’ has been exposed, lets hope palmer has turned a corner and figured out that all he needs to do is hit guy when they are wide open and avoid turn overs.
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Doesn’t the quote you posted earlier suggest that he does in fact know his part.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
Anybody feeling great about the Raiders chances after 3 straight losses in a freefall from 1st place?
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I know I’ll be called a hater for it, but I really think a 7-9 season is more likely than any playoff scenario. There just aren’t many things you can point to on the Raiders to give you confidence that they will win again:
Bad defense
Dumb playcalling
Poor execution
Penalties
Injuries
None of that gives me a vision of a 9-7 finish.
But until we are eliminated, I will hold out hope that somehow they find a way to do this.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Seymour posted two tackles and batted away a pass on a third-down play.
On several other plays, Seymour penetrated the Lions offensive line and pressured Stafford. He might not have had the big game that defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan predicted but he certainly made his presence felt.
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Mr Brown, is this guy getting your vote to Hawaii ?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
or he certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
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CP’s qb rating vs Detroit over 110, do you know that JC NEVER posted that high a qb rating this year? so what is an elite performance?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
772.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Doesn’t matter if Chuck B is a nice guy or not!
That guy has cost this team wins and that was predictable from the preseason!
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I’ve said this before, he sucked 10 years ago.. Why in the heck would Al bring him back… Al was penny pinching… His defenses cost us SO MANY games!!
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I know and I think most of knowledgable fans knew it was going to bite this team in the azz when they hired him.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
dont make excuses he simply missed the targets, it happens. All qbs will miss deep passes. he admitted as much why wont you
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32 for 38 with 0 ints isn’t elite in your book?
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not really you dont get the elite label after one good game. You have to do it week in week out, you have to hit a wide open moore in the endzone, and not over throw him by 10 yards. you cant turn the ball over the way he has over the last 3 seasons.
we dont need him to be elite, just a suitable replacement. Carson is 3-5, and has no clue how to snap us out of this funk
December 19th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
CLARIFICATION…..All quarterbacks overthrow deep passes except Campbell who always threw them out of the field of play….
December 19th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
I think Hue’s bonehead play call of the season was not kicking the field goal vs. the Browns. Luckily, we held on for a win. P.S. The defense was horrible in the 4th quarter that day, too, as it has in every home game except New England (we had already lost that one by the end of 3rd quarter).
December 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
or he certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
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CP’s qb rating vs Detroit over 110, do you know that JC NEVER posted that high a qb rating this year? so what is an elite performance?
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again, ratings and yardage totals mean nothing especially in a loss. i think you are confusing fantasy football with real football. right now 3-5 is the stat that palmer should concern himself with
December 19th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
I can’t even think Playoffs…. I’d just like to see the Raiders win in Kc ..
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Fingers,
me too, bro! I live in Missouri and I’m surroundered by KC fans. *puke*
they already beat us 28-0 in Oakland. I can’t listen to them brag about sweeping us from January all the way until September 2012!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
again, ratings and yardage totals mean nothing especially in a loss. i think you are confusing fantasy football with real football. right now 3-5 is the stat that palmer should concern himself with
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Thats the first I have ever heard of Palmer being concerned with stats.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
I keenly remember not thinking much about our defense in 2002 at the end of the season, especially with Charles Woodson banged up. We had a middle of the road defense under Bresnahan that season, and that was an underachievement. I will go to my grave knowing that Al Davis made mostly dumb decisions in his last 10 years of life starting with the decision to trade Jon Gruden!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:31 pm
772.Raider-in-PA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Doesn’t matter if Chuck B is a nice guy or not!
That guy has cost this team wins and that was predictable from the preseason!
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I’ve said this before, he sucked 10 years ago.. Why in the heck would Al bring him back… Al was penny pinching… His defenses cost us SO MANY games!!
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I know and I think most of knowledgable fans knew it was going to bite this team in the azz when they hired him.
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The other sad thing is that most us knowledgable Nation fans knew it was a mistake to hire Chuck B as the DC….but how the hell did management and old man Al not know that??
Ugh….Frustrating beyond belief!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
According to the expressions of Mr. John Madden, I do not think Mr. Hue Jackson, Mr. C. Palmer, or Mr. Breshnahan and about half the players will be here next season, let alone 2-3 seasons.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
# silverback Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
again, ratings and yardage totals mean nothing especially in a loss. i think you are confusing fantasy football with real football. right now 3-5 is the stat that palmer should concern himself with
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Thats the first I have ever heard of Palmer being concerned with stats.
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i dont think he is worried or concerned about stats. only the fantasy football geeks on this board are obsessed with stats, as they desperately try to prove their instant upgrade theories in the face of mind numbing turnovers and losses.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
I have been saying since the DAY AL hired Bresna”crap”, that the RADIERS would be bad defensively. I am “SURPRISED” Hue didn’t can him after the Houston Game. If Hue gets fired, he needs to thank Bresnahan. Marvin Lewis figured it out and it may have helped him keep his job. Bresnahan needs to go with the other nitwit “Trestman” in Canada and never look to the NFL again..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The Oakland Raiders are 3-4 with Palmer as QB. You want to blame the guy for losing a game when he comes in down 21-0 in the 2nd half?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
Tuesday Live Chat Topics:
McFadden’s Ankle LoL
Ford’s ankle LoL
Hue’s bad decisions
The glaring need for Chuck Bres to be fired
December 19th, 2011 at 12:35 pm
One thing is for certain. Bresnahan sure as heck won’t be here or Raider Nation will storm Raider Headquarters in Alameda! Ugh
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
794. John Madden has not done a thing for this franchise the last 10 seasons. What makes you think he will after this season?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
A first and a second vs. one fourth equals the difference in cost between Mr. Palmer & Mr. J. Campbell.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
no way should hue be fired, he has made chicken salad out of chicken shid since we lost our starting qb. The day JC went down so did our season, if he can even finish 7-9 i would say he did a good job.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
Rockstar… I’ve got friends in the Springfield area… I know what ya mean… I’ll be hearing more from them this week
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
As for Mr. Hue Jackson, you run 7 straight times for 40 yds and on 3rd and 3 you pass? Didn’t any “REAL” raider fan not know the game was over at that point once Schilens dropped that pass? To me that was the turning point. Get that first down and Detriot can’t stop the clock. What a BONE-HEAD call by the HC.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
If they get rid of Hue, then the new GM better have a legit plan to replace him with a PROVEN head coach like Fisher and keep Saunders as the OC to keep offensive continuity!
If they replace Huey with a rookie head coach, that will be a HUGE mistake!!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:57 am
funny i remember clear as day, jc missed a couple of deep throws IN A WIN IN HOUSTON AND HE WAS KILLED IN HERE FOR IT. I mention the palmers horrendous over throws including one to a wide open guy in the endzone and im a racist.
so many claimed that palmer was a far better qb and they cited the deep passing as his main attribute, but it isnt showing up on sunday.
I want the same punk azz fools that beat up our qb for over throwing receivers in a win, to now show up and admit that the over throws in the loss were even worse.
of course you will also be admitting that what i said was true, ALL QBS WILL MISS DEEP PASSES, AND THE TEAM CAN STILL WIN IF THE MISSES ARE NOT COMPOUNDED BY TURN OVERS!
race has nothing to do with it
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Point.
As good as Palmer was yesterday (and he was really, really good), those two passes will haunt him.
Still think it’s a moot point with that horrible scheme on D, but we did leave 21 points on the field yesterday.
Probably about 200 or so this season.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
maybe we can get spagnolo, he and waffle have history and a super bowl ring together. i would laso be on board with winston moss, and reggie mckenzie as gm
December 19th, 2011 at 12:37 pm
802. Wrong. The day McFadden went down we were in trouble. Hue is on the hot seat and if this team finishes 7-9 and LAST PLACE, he may be out the door.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
i dont think he is worried or concerned about stats. only the fantasy football geeks on this board are obsessed with stats
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you’re a joke, i throw out stats because you’ve been defending jc’s play with stats last year and this and all of a sudden it’s not about stats
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
no way should hue be fired, he has made chicken salad out of chicken shid since we lost our starting qb.
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Point.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
beach Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
The Oakland Raiders are 3-4 with Palmer as QB. You want to blame the guy for losing a game when he comes in down 21-0 in the 2nd half?
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3-4 record is NOT counting the KC game;
Campbell 4-2
Boller 0-1
Palmer 3-4
Raiders 7-7
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
799. Nobody, I mean nobody, should give this franchise another dime until Bresnahan is shown the exit door. I can’t stand the way he coaches.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:28 pm:
He certainly cant have the word elite associated with his name
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I have to agree with you on this one!!! you have to stand in there and make sure you have enough air under the ball foe the receiver to make a play on without question and Carson Palmer will tell you the same thing.
I love Carson and all he brings to the table. But He simply cannot be excused from not getting the ball to where it needs to be. Period!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Im allover Reggie McKenzie for GM……
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
I need to see palmer rally us to a win, so far he hasnt been able to that. it seems that there was a certain magic in the building when davis’s hand picked players were in prominent roles, JC and dhb.
We havnt been the same since cleveland
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
803.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:36 pm
no way should hue be fired, he has made chicken salad out of chicken shid since we lost our starting qb. The day JC went down so did our season, if he can even finish 7-9 i would say he did a good job.
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I agree Huey should not be fired….he deserves another year with a REAL D Coordinator running the defense.
Huey has dealt with alot adversity this year and has done well despite of it all.
However, if the team loses this last two games in a bad way, he might wind up on the hot seat.
The team needs to finish strong in these last two division games!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Not only has Mystic1 showed us how low his football IQ is now he is blind as a bat!
Did you not see Moore getting held on that pass play?
Keep digging for a bone old man one day you might find one but Moore was held the pass was on target, Palmer took the blame like a man and all you can do is blindly claim it was a bad pass.
you have zero football IQ
December 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
Mistic post about JC after Loss to Buffalo (Didn’t JC have some overthrown balls in that game?)
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 18th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
JC WAS MAGNIFICENT! He was in complete control from start to finish. He destroyed several myths about his game & proved that he belongs for the long term.
1) jc can throw deep a’s he hit Moore time & time again. The first pass down the sideline was most impressive a’s he put it over the db in coverage but in front of the safety that had double coverage over the top.
2.) jc is clutch. He was money on 3rd down, and chose exactly the right times to go deep. He took cculated risk and was deadly accurate even on final play of the game.
3.) jc is a leader. You could see that the offense believes that they will score every time jc has the ball. His confidence in denarious Moore elevated Moores play and made him a star today.
4.) JC can win even when the run game flops. Dmac was held in check & had a terrible fumble. JC took the team on his back and almost willed us to victory.
5.) JC is much more than a mere game manager. JC made critical plays & accounted for 3 tds. He didn’t have a turnover & was the only reason along with Moore we had a chance to win at all. Time to give this cat his respect… Be has earned it.
6.) JC Makes his team better and elevates the play of the entire offense. With out his top four pass catching targets jc leads us to 35 points on the road, and dices the bills defense to the tune of 300 yards. Isn’t this exactly what people jock manning for. Receivers go down yet he still puts points on the board.
Noone should ever doubt number 8 again, he just killed the haters.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
811. Campbell was 4-2 with McFadden. Palmer is 3-4 without McFadden. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
no way should hue be fired, he has made chicken salad out of chicken shid since we lost our starting qb.
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A 3-5 record, with 2 or 3 colossal humiliations being part of those 5 losses is chicken salad to you? Forgive me if I never ask for your recipe.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:41 pm
The ONLY change we need is a DC. Plain an simple. Come on People. Did ANYONE watch the preseason????? The defense could not get a 3 and out. NEVER.. And I said “watch, this will be all season” How many 3 and outs does this defense get? The defense cannot hold anyone.. Period. The point blowouts the last 3 games were because the offense sputtered and the defense folded.
GET A DC, a GOOD one and we be fine. Look at Denver. We would be 10-4 with Denver’s DC. Our offense is 10x better than Denver.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
The day JC went down so did our season
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Then you don’t trade away two high draft picks for a QB midseason. So, now you agree that Hue has made mistakes, right?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
I think everyone knows our status in the division by now: Win out and need DEN to lose to KC in Week 17 and we win.
Here is my understanding of the wild-card breakdown (but please correct me if I’m wrong):
1) Need to win out
2) Oakland and NYJ alone at 9-7:
- We would win on H2H tiebreaker.
3) Oakland, NYJ and Cincy at 9-7:
- Would win on Conf record tiebreaker if Jets lose to Miami in Wk 17 and Cincy loses to Balt in Wk 17.
- I think if Jets lose to NYG instead of Miami but Cincy loses to Balt in Wk 17 we would get in due to Cin being eliminated on Conf record tiebreaker and tiebreakers reverting to H2H with Jets. Not positive I’m reading that right though.
- If Jets beat Miami and Cincy beats Balt (after both losing this week) to get to 9-7 and we’re at 9-7, then we’re all tied at 7-5 in Conference and it gets into strength of victory tiebreaker.
4) Oakland, NYJ, Tenn and Cincy at 9-7:
- Goes into strength of victory tiebreaker. All four would be 7-5 in conference. As I read it, need at least four common games among all teams for the common opponents tiebreaker to kick in and that’s not the case.
Here are the tiebreaking procedures: http://www.nfl.com/standings/tiebreakingprocedures. I think what I have above is accurate.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
# 8 is out the door unless he takes a huge pay cut. Like I said Mistic, you will have to find a new team in 2012. Read ‘em and weep, and face reality!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
i dont think he is worried or concerned about stats. only the fantasy football geeks on this board are obsessed with stats
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you’re a joke, i throw out stats because you’ve been defending jc’s play with stats last year and this and all of a sudden it’s not about stats
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fantasy football geek, using stats as a proof of your instant upgrade theory rings hollow in a loss. Besides you want to only look at a few isolated instances when you post stats, you refuse to use the entire body of work for the season. Stats in a single game and a loss are only of value in fantasy football.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Hue’s comment that McClain has “got to make that play…it isn’t a scheme issue” (i.e., covering Calvin Johnson deep downt he middle)makes me worried.
Sounds like he might be sticking by Chucky B next season.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
“JC WAS MAGNIFICENT! He was in complete control from start to finish.” in a loss!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Beach Says:
811. Campbell was 4-2 with McFadden. Palmer is 3-4 without McFadden. HUGE DIFFERENCE
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Campbell went 2-1 without McFadden last season. What’s your point?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Mistic talking about missing playmakers? So without Ford, Moore and McFadden our offense isn’t very good?
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 18th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
What will this offense look like with a health DHB Ford boss & Moore on the field together. If our d can step up we could be very good.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
If the new GM can hire someone proven champions such as Johnson, Cowher, Dungy, or even winners such as Green, Fischer, Edwards, Schottenheimer then by all means the Raiders should consider firing Mr. Jackson.
I’m more concerned about personnel & who our defensive coordinator will be than our head coach.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
815.fingers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:40 pm
Im allover Reggie McKenzie for GM……
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Yeah….McKenzie or head personnel man Eric DeCosta from the Ravens should be the new GM!
Then they need to look at hiring a REAL DC like Steve Spagnolo, Dean Pees, Jack Del Rio or Darren Perry to turn this defense around!
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Campbell’s inactive… So what’s the controversy ?…
Palmers our Qb… Campbell will be leaving January 1st….I wish him luck..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
DEFENSE COULDN’T STOP THE DEAF, DUMB, AND BLIND SCHOOL FOOTBALL TEAM
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
“Beach Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
# 8 is out the door unless he takes a huge pay cut. Like I said Mistic, you will have to find a new team in 2012. Read ‘em and weep, and face reality!”
So true but so hard to accept when you have zero football IQ like mistyeyes does.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
P.S. I do not hate J.C. He appears to be a very nice person. He is an average QB, at best, with no upside. Carson Palmer, if given a defense, will win a Super Bowl. I have no reason to believe otherwise.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
I say “FIRE BRESNAHAN TODAY” and lets see what we have on the bench. I said and I quote “Raiders will go 1-4 down the stretch”. So far they are 0-3. I had them winning the KC game, but not so sure anymore. SD will probably get the wild-card that day when they win.. Putting both Denver and SD in the playoffs..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
# RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
The day JC went down so did our season
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Then you don’t trade away two high draft picks for a QB midseason. So, now you agree that Hue has made mistakes, right?
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i have never been a taker on this trade. i though the trade was a reach, and davis was right when he picked JC to lead the team.
i would not have traded for palmer, and we would have had our picks for the draft, and could have been in a similar position in terms of wins and losses.
the trade was reactuionary and if we miss the playoffs, i would call it a mammoth flop.
Hue was unfairly forced to gm, i cant hold that against him. he is a good coach, but leaves a lot to be desired as a gm
December 19th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Spagnolo .. Or Del Rio would be cool..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Trades I would like to see the Raiders make:
Reggie Wayne for our 5th and 6th,
trade at least ten players away for draft picks.
OFF the Block are: Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Reece, Moore, Ford, Shaughnessy, Branch (yes Tyvon).
December 19th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
Yeah….McKenzie or head personnel man Eric DeCosta from the Ravens should be the new GM!
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I’ve been all over DeCosta since the question first came up……I’ve read he probably won’t leave Baltimore since he’s supposed to be taking over from Newsome, but Newsome is also fairly young and DeCosta may not want to wait.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:48 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
“JC WAS MAGNIFICENT! He was in complete control from start to finish.” in a loss!
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whats your point? palmer played his best gane as a raider, and i said that earlier.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
NEED TO HIRE RANDY SHANNON AS DEFENSIVE COORDINATOR, YESTERDAY. Still cannot believe my Arkansas Razorbacks passed up hiring the best DC we could have ever had. Time at FL, Fl was in top FIVE for 5 of 6 years, and the other time they were 7.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
The new GM isn’t going to stick with Bresnahan as the DC and if Huey does want to stick with Chuck B as the DC next season…..then he will be fired…pain and simple.
Huey was trying to save face and not put all the blame on the D blowing it again thats all.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:49 pm
You guys should look at it this way,if J.Campbell was the QB yesterday we wouldn’t have had a 13 point lead with under 5 minutes to play so the defense couldn’t have blown the game.We would have already been out of it.Anyone who puts yesterdays loss on the QB is nothing but a babbling idiot.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:50 pm
# fingers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Campbell’s inactive… So what’s the controversy ?…
Palmers our Qb… Campbell will be leaving January 1st….I wish him luck..
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any time anyone says that palmer missed a pass or tutrned it over people cant help but bring him up.
its fine because he won for us, and no one else has done what he did this year
December 19th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
I think the Raiders just ended up “settling” for Chuck B as DC. He wasn’t even given that title for weeks after he was hired. He was just listed as “staff” or something. I think he was brought in to work with the linebackers.
Their first choice was a member of the Jets staff I believe. The Jets denied them the opportunity. They were also supposedly interested in Pagan of Baltimore, and a couple members of Green Bays coaching staff, including former Raider Winston Moss.
But, like I said they ended up settling with Chuck B.
I hoped for the best…pointing out that he was the DC when they shut out Miami in the playoffs. Only time that’s ever happened to the Dolphins.
He called the Blitz that sent C-Wood crashing in on Brady. His defense played well enough to get to the SB in 2002. They also played well in the 2000 AFC champ game vs Baltimore except for one fateful 3rd and long.
There is no way to sugarcoat it or dance around the issue, his defense has been a huge disappointment this year.
Yes, they have had injury problems in the secondary, but overall…just bad defense.
No 3rd and long is safe with this group. No lead was ever safe. Bad tackling, blown coverages. Sad. Too often outcoached and outschemed, IMO. Too many times with a LB on the other teams best WR. Aaron Curry man for man with Devon Bess. In the Red Zone. Really?
I think he’s a nice guy, and a good man, and maybe even a good football coach, but I think it’s back to the UFL for Bres.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
Some of you think the trade was made for just this season. That is a big error in judgment. We have the most important position in the game filled for the next several seasons. You Al lovers just don’t understand. We had one decent free agent QB in the last 25 years and that was Rich Gannon. It was TIME to get an NFL QB.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
# DutchRaider77 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Mistic talking about missing playmakers? So without Ford, Moore and McFadden our offense isn’t very good?
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
September 18th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
What will this offense look like with a health DHB Ford boss & Moore on the field together. If our d can step up we could be very good.
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I wouldnt go that far, our offense even without those guys can be and should be good as long as the qb can hit open receivers and protect the ball. yesterday should prove that protecting the ball and making good decisions trumps posting huge stats
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:46 pm
Hue was unfairly forced to gm, i cant hold that against him. he is a good coach, but leaves a lot to be desired as a gm
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I think Hue is a good coach too, but it is what it is…he is forever tied to Carson at the hip since he pushed for him so badly. I agree too if we miss the playoffs that it was a mammoth flop of a trade. Regardless how much I like Hue; he’ll probably only be given one more year to see this thing thru, and then the org will have no choice but to pull the plug on him and Carson, because just like you said; we can easily be in this spot or maybe one game worse with Boller and/or an inexperienced Pryor and still have those picks.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
cya cantbell take chucky b with you
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Hue Jackson is fine with Chuck B as DC. How do we know it wasn’t Hue that wanted him here in the 1st place (Cincy ties)?
Hue Jax has made major personnel moves with the roster since Al passed. I’m sure Chuck B could be ousted if Hue wasn’t thrilled and made a few phone calls to Mark Davis & Amy Trask ..
December 19th, 2011 at 12:53 pm
chuck was the choice to run the defense it just ended up that way because we whiffed on the guys hu wanted. i doubt chuck will run the defense next year
December 19th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Raiders should first hire a GM.
then that GM should decide whether or not Hue Jackson stays as HC.
Hue Jackson should be allowed NO SAY in who the new GM (his boss) will be …
December 19th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
Trades I would like to see the Raiders make:
Reggie Wayne for our 5th and 6th,
trade at least ten players away for draft picks.
OFF the Block are: Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Reece, Moore, Ford, Shaughnessy, Branch (yes Tyvon).
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I think McClain is getting more blame than he deserves. Patrick Willis had help his rookie season. he had Vets around him to make him look good and grow into who he is today. McClain is ALONE on an Island with now Curry. He is always put in a bad position. If you missed yesterday’s game look at the last drive where Bresnacrap blitzed McClain and Pettigrew went right to the spot he just vacated and ran 18yds. Stafford, Pettigrew and the OC knew that blitz was coming. I even saw a blitz from Giordano where he came from 25yds downfield. How stupid is that? Anyways, my point is McClain will be a beast in the next few years. Don’t think other teams are not waiting for the mistake of giving up on him with such a dumb DC in charge. He should be protected from trading.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:54 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Hue Jackson is fine with Chuck B as DC. How do we know it wasn’t Hue that wanted him here in the 1st place (Cincy ties)?
Hue Jax has made major personnel moves with the roster since Al passed. I’m sure Chuck B could be ousted if Hue wasn’t thrilled and made a few phone calls to Mark Davis & Amy Trask ..
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This is my worry.
We’ll probably find out the answer if Bresnahan is still employed by the Raiders 24 hours after the season ends.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:55 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
If the new GM can hire someone proven champions such as Johnson, Cowher, Dungy, or even winners such as Green, Fischer, Edwards, Schottenheimer then by all means the Raiders should consider firing Mr. Jackson.
I’m more concerned about personnel & who our defensive coordinator will be than our head coach.
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Do you really have any reason to believe that anyone in this group would be more effective communicating with the current Raider roster?
December 19th, 2011 at 12:56 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:52 pm
Hue Jackson is fine with Chuck B as DC. How do we know it wasn’t Hue that wanted him here in the 1st place (Cincy ties)?
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rememeber he wasnt the 1st choice, we were denied permission to talk to guys that hue wanted, chuck was a plan c fall back
December 19th, 2011 at 12:57 pm
cya cantbell take chucky b with you….
what time does huesux come up with excuses? ” its on me ok?”
December 19th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
Forgot these two scenarios:
5) Oakland and Cincy at 9-7:
- We would win on Conf tiebreaker if Cincy’s loss is to Balt.
- Common opponents, both are 3-2 and those are done. Would go to strength of victory tiebreaker.
6) Oakland and Tenn alone at 9-7:
- Tenn would win on common opponents tiebreaker, 4-1 to 3-2 after beating Hou in the finale.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
“The disappointing part is their best player, he won the game for them,” coach Hue Jackson said. “Between the quarterback and Calvin Johnson , 214 yards and two touchdowns, that’s how you lose. It’s very frustrating.”
Take a few aspirin Hue and show Chuckie the door.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
“whats your point? palmer played his best gane as a raider, and i said that earlier.”
My point is that you are a babbling idiot with zero football IQ who’s posts are racially motivated.
December 19th, 2011 at 12:59 pm
Post 823 spells out the other scenarios.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
I hoped for the best…pointing out that he was the DC when they shut out Miami in the playoffs. Only time that’s ever happened to the Dolphins.
He called the Blitz that sent C-Wood crashing in on Brady. His defense played well enough to get to the SB in 2002. They also played well in the 2000 AFC champ game vs Baltimore except for one fateful 3rd and long.
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I think you forgot to point out the Raiders played controlled football which allowed the Defense to be off the field a lot. When they were on the field they got pummelled. He was horrible then too. I think the stat I saw when the Raiders played the packers summed it up best. With his 10yrs on Oakland, woodson had 16 interceptions. His 4 with the Packers has 37.. Schemes are everything in the NFL.
Also to your point with the tuck rule, the patriots also converted a 3 and 12 because of that bad defense. So blame the tuck rule but don’t forget the inability after to stop a 3and 12 conversion. Sounds familiar? Deja vue???
December 19th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
Beach…agree… Hue made the Palmer trade because when Campbell went down the opportunity was there….I think Hues thinking Palmers our guy 3 , 4 years from now… Not just for a playoff run this year…. You don’t give up a 1st rounder and a 2nd rounder for just half a season..
December 19th, 2011 at 1:00 pm
651.Carl Weathers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 11:04 am
The worst part about yesterday is that it should have never happened. CJ should have been selected #1 overall in 2007.
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You must have quickly forgotten about our DC Chuck B. If not Calvin Johnson it would have been Ted Ginn Jr or Dwayne Bowe doing the same thing.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
847.Buckeyeraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:51 pm
There is no way to sugarcoat it or dance around the issue, his defense has been a huge disappointment this year.
Yes, they have had injury problems in the secondary, but overall…just bad defense.
No 3rd and long is safe with this group. No lead was ever safe. Bad tackling, blown coverages. Sad. Too often outcoached and outschemed, IMO. Too many times with a LB on the other teams best WR. Aaron Curry man for man with Devon Bess. In the Red Zone. Really?
I think he’s a nice guy, and a good man, and maybe even a good football coach, but I think it’s back to the UFL for Bres.
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Yep and the staTs don’t lie with this defense. Terrible!
If we had just and AVERAGE defense, we would have wrapped up the division by now!
December 19th, 2011 at 1:01 pm
CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS BETTER,STABLER,PLUNKETT OR GANNON ?
December 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Can’t believe some of u guys are still talking about Palmer and JC??
I’m out….DEFENSE wins CHAMPIONSHIPS!!
If the Raiders get a solid GM and a REAL DC we take it to the next level next year!
December 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Campbell 4-2
Boller 0-1
Palmer 3-4
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campbell had 4 100 games with DMAC/Bush combing for over 100 yards, CP has had 2 games. If you want to throw out stats overall JC sucked last year Cp overall has sucked this year and CP’s game versus det was better than any JC had these last two years
December 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
chucky b never was the def coordinator nor was he supposed to be this year…al was the def coordinator going into the season and i have to say his gameplan would not have called for slowlando tobe in deep coverage over the middle…
December 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
During the off season we went after Dennis Thurman (jets secondary coach) and Darren Perry (Packers secondary coach) to be our defensive coordinator.
We got stymied on both guys so we settled for Chucky B.
I remember at the time thinking this will eventually come back to haunt us……and so it has.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Bottom line:
If we beat KC, we go into Week 17 alive in both the division and wild card, no matter what happens in Week 16. We could get some help by teams losing in Week 16, but week 17 will be all crucial. What we want in Wek 17:
Division
- KC over Denver
Wild card:
- Miami over NYJ
- Baltimore over Cincy
- Houston over Tenn
*Note: Wouldn’t need all these outcomes. As little as one could be enough depending on what happens in Wk 16.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:58 pm
“whats your point? palmer played his best gane as a raider, and i said that earlier.”
My point is that you are a babbling idiot with zero football IQ who’s posts are racially motivated.
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wait, saying palmer played his best game makes me racist?
a black man in amerikkka cant be a racist. racism is a system of oppression based on race. i dont have the power to oppress anyone.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
# inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:03 pm
Campbell 4-2
Boller 0-1
Palmer 3-4
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campbell had 4 100 games with DMAC/Bush combing for over 100 yards, CP has had 2 games. If you want to throw out stats overall JC sucked last year Cp overall has sucked this year and CP’s game versus det was better than any JC had these last two years
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you probably won fantasy points, but the raiders lost the game.
you can have the qb rating and yardage totals ill take the wins
December 19th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Bottom line:
If we beat KC, we go into Week 17 alive in both the division and wild card, no matter what happens in Week 16. We could get some help by teams losing in Week 16, but week 17 will be all crucial. What we want in Wek 17:
Division
- KC over Denver
Wild card:
- Miami over NYJ
- Baltimore over Cincy
- Houston over Tenn
*Note: Wouldn’t need all these outcomes. As little as one could be enough depending on what happens in Wk 16.
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None of those scenarios… or all of them, really — are not unrealistic at all.
I’m not into moral victories, but we played hard yesterday, D included (maybe more so).
I don’t think the 2011 Raiders lay down. I think we go out there and put everything on the line.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
What did Curry do 2 warrant a penalty after his touchdown?Punching the goal post?Didnt Ken Norton do that whn he was in SanFran or Dallas?BUt no flag when Moore was interferred with dammit man……..
December 19th, 2011 at 1:12 pm
black man in amerikkka cant be a racist. racism is a system of oppression based on race. i dont have the power to oppress anyone.
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That’s an inaccuarte definition. I’m a brown man and if I dislike a black man (which some of my friends do stemming from prison/jail issues) or dislike a white man (which certain friends/family members do based on oppression/unequal treatment issues) based on his race then I’m a racist
December 19th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
At this point, the Denver-Buffalo game has no meaning to us as far as I can see.
- Giants over NYJ
- Cards over Cincy
- Jags over Tenn
Those are the outcomes to root for/care about.
But, just to reiterate, if we win on Dec. 24 we will be alive for both the division and wild card on Jan. 1, 2012.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
STABLER
December 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
826.SilverNBlackPA Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 12:43 pm
Hue’s comment that McClain has “got to make that play…it isn’t a scheme issue” (i.e., covering Calvin Johnson deep downt he middle)makes me worried.
Sounds like he might be sticking by Chucky B next season.
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Not really. Hue lies. Like DMAC not out for the year. I think Chuck B is gone. Hue was emotional yesterday and broke his own rule by calling out the DC in the presser. He may have calmed himself to the point of later saying somebody got to make that play.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:14 pm
Of course, it all hinges on Oakland over KC.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
Inonewordraider
You cant buy into his hidden agenda you and I both know and can clearly see his posts are racially motivated.
Since we both see it we can acknowledge it and move on.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS BETTER,STABLER,PLUNKETT OR GANNON ?
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LOL @ Dirt Lot!
flash back to 2003. choose between Rick Mirer, Rob Johnson & Tee Martin
December 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
you probably won fantasy points, but the raiders lost the game.
you can have the qb rating and yardage totals ill take the wins
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you allude that stats aren’t important yet you continually used stats to compare CP and JC. now you fail to acknowledge that JC had 2 100 plus yard perfomances between DMAC and Bush while JC only had 2. That factors into the equation of why JC is 4 and 2 and Carson is 3 and 4 or whatever he is. Regardless JC is not a Raider qb next year so I’ll b rooting against him
December 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
There are better players than others on offense and defense. Most coaches would take their best D or Off player and put them into matches to win.
On Defense, it is well documented that in crucial points of a game, you normally as a coach take your best DB and put him on the opposing teams best WR with over the top help.
Just a tip.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
What did Curry do 2 warrant a penalty after his touchdown?Punching the goal post?Didnt Ken Norton do that whn he was in SanFran or Dallas?BUt no flag when Moore was interferred with dammit man……..
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this team needs to cut the dumb celebrations..>
It takes away energy, and concentration IMO…
Gice the ball to the zeb, stay focused, and keep it moving…
Example you get up after a recption, and do this dumb ass dance, then fumble after a big recepetion taking points off the board or have a key drop….
December 19th, 2011 at 1:18 pm
On Defense, it is well documented that in crucial points of a game, you normally as a coach take your best DB and put him on the opposing teams best WR with over the top help.
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Can’t argue that… wonder what Bresh thinks?
December 19th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS BETTER,STABLER,PLUNKETT OR GANNON ?
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Stabler <—–GOAT
December 19th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
On Defense, it is well documented that in crucial points of a game, you normally as a coach take your best DB and put him on the opposing teams best WR with over the top help.
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routt should have been on Calvin every play and had safety help it doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out. Actually, Al would have taken the reigns from Bres a long time ago, Hue should have done something about it
December 19th, 2011 at 1:21 pm
Not really worried about what the other teams are doing. This Raider team needs to hold up its end of the bargain. we should be cruising to the west title…
However, with all the money we spend on the D side we can’t stop any one for schit…
December 19th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
routt should have been on Calvin every play and had safety help it doesn’t take a genius to figure that one out. Actually, Al would have taken the reigns from Bres a long time ago, Hue should have done something about it
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Agree 1000%
December 19th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
I have a question for the Semi’s, what defense has the highest salary in the NFL?
Where do the Raids rank in defense salary?
December 19th, 2011 at 1:24 pm
I just hope Hue gets her bikini line waxed for this week’s game.
Just Win Baby.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Campbell 4-2
Boller 0-1
Palmer 3-4
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Not so fast…
What complimentary players were playing in these games on offense?
I would contend that a healthy DMAC, DMO, JFORD can sway any QB’s W-L total…
December 19th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
CAN WE TALK ABOUT WHO IS BETTER,STABLER,PLUNKETT OR GANNON ?
STABLER – Should be in HOF. Criminal he isn’t. One of the coolest cats to play QB of all time. Hard to ruffle the guy. He lived for the tough situations and partied hard in between.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
893 – right on
December 19th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
This is turning out similar to last year. like our losses to Arizona, Jax, … thi syear it was Buffalo and Detroit.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Lefty12,post 844,Why dont You tell us how You Really Feel? lol
December 19th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
The ongoing debates are mindless if you ask me (and of course, nobody did).
D sucks, bad scheme… arguably has good building blocks.
O can cruise when healthy.
Kicking game is awesome. Wasted those two for so long. they are such assets. I mean, Shane pinning them to the 1 to make Detroit go 99? Shane ALWAYS does his part to get the W.
We can make playoffs with the garbage D we have and the offense-in-flux.
But I hate to say its almost ‘next year’ territory. The good news is that it won’t be decided until week 17 if we go get a W this week. Keep these dudes hungry.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
This is turning out similar to last year. like our losses to Arizona, Jax, … thi syear it was Buffalo and Detroit.
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Eerily similar.
If we want to change the course of the franchise, going 2-0 in these last two will sure help.
Even if we don’t make it to the dance, 2-0 will be huge for us rolling into the offseason.
We could be a very different and very deadly team next year.
We need a mean defense. Right now, we don’t scare anyone.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:33 pm
Buckeyeraider Says:
I think the Raiders just ended up “settling” for Chuck B as DC.
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They have “settled” for every head and assistant coach they’ve had for dam near a decade. But the source of that problem is gone now. That’s why I keep advocating for starting fresh in the coaching department.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
Hue is still under contract for a year, right?
I think if he wins out or goes 8-8, his job is safe.
He’ll likely have to do a re-interview of sorts with the new GM. I would rather see some continuity rather than start fresh.
But Bresh has to go like 6 months ago.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
You know what is even sadder about the failure of the Tampa Two yesterday is the fact that you get introduced to it when you are in high school, so you know what it is when you reach college and can perform it..I was 15 the first time I ran cover 2..Its as fundamental as it gets, and we STILL have guys that don’t understand the THEORY of WHAT THE H#LL is supposed to be accomplished.
They should have been in Quarters man anyway, but regardless, there is no way in Gods name Megatron should have gotten behind those guys. Just a total breakdown of personnel.
The number one rule of world of the Free Safety…Deep as the Deepest, Wide as the Widest..and if there is a guy Named MEGATRON on the field, COVER HIM.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:39 pm
They have “settled” for every head and assistant coach they’ve had for dam near a decade. But the source of that problem is gone now
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Sad…. but true.
Oakland my just become a very attractive destination for free agents and coaches.
Our players (especially on D) catch major flak here, but I bet you a potential coach would look at the depth chart and salivate.
D is 2 key pieces away, IMO, and a few complementary pieces (like depth at SS, FS).
December 19th, 2011 at 1:40 pm
its wierd cuz Hue has been so powerful in doing what he wants and i think with the D coordinator and that side of the ball, he has to learn it/from it cuz this team should be 11-5
December 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
# Thec07 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
Campbell 4-2
Boller 0-1
Palmer 3-4
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Not so fast…
What complimentary players were playing in these games on offense?
I would contend that a healthy DMAC, DMO, JFORD can sway any QB’s W-L total…
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Dude no doubt, that’s like you getting the High School Football Players down the street on your squad, and I get the 2 twin gradeschool kids with glasses across the street and us going at a game of sandlot football.
The dropoff in talent is paralyzing.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
Hue is still under contract for a year, right?
I think if he wins out or goes 8-8, his job is safe.
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I do agree that we are probably stuck with him for another year. I’ll go out on a limb here and predict that one year from now we will be talking about his imminent dismissal.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Hue jackson u are a fking idiot. Almost cable bad.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
BEEN WAITING ALL DAY 4 SOMEONE TO SAY IF NNAMDI WAS HERE YESTERDAY,THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT..CONGRATS 4 NOT GOING DOWN THAT ROAD.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:42 pm
Lito Shepard, played a very good game against the Lion I tought he would be a liabilty because he was exposed on the hitch type plays a bit against the Packers. But Lito learned from that game and what the Lions were trying to do to him this game. He came up and made the tackle up front while taking extra care not to let the get behind him. Lito was determined and smart. Lito is not the fastest BD the Raiders have yet he made the adjustments needed to play a solid game. How long will it take the younger, quicker DB’s to adjust to running closer to the receivers a bit longer forcing the into a tighter zone so the other Raider defenders can make a play on the ball. Or, Knowing on crossing routes that your upfront receiver may not get the ball but the one crossing you is so by stepping in front of the crossing receiver may get you an interception. The Raiders take it on the chin time and time again on defense. Look around. The guy in front of you now may not be the guy in front of you making the catch.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
# Dakota Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
Hue jackson u are a fking idiot. Almost cable bad.
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Yeah, I knew in my heart that going for it for no reason in the 1st quarter was not a good move.
I still thought Jano was going to make that kick though. Man that would have been awesome.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
I had hoped that hue would have learned from his past idiotic decisions, but clearly he has not. He coaches like this is a video game. How did he not learn from the texans game? And the passing late in the game on third and short was really what lost us this game. He should be fired at seasons end. He just does not get it.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:47 pm
Hue is approaching Cable territory in fact he is .500 right now which is where Cable left this team when he was given the boot.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Cooper Carlisle
Hardest player to figure out.
Sometimes he looks terrible and other times he looks dominant.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
had hoped that hue would have learned from his past idiotic decisions
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goin for it on 4th and 1? I guess Belicheks and idiot too
December 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
Like any of those calls, he’s a genius if they work, he’s an idiot if they don’t.
They should have been completed. At least the 3rd and 3.
Moore did get mugged on his post.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
“And the passing late in the game on third and short was really what lost us this game.”
I keep on saying that in here and no one else seems to get that we could have ran another 45 seconds off the clock by simply running it on that 3rd down and 3.
Even if we do not convert we leave them with 45 seconds less to work with.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:50 pm
Hue is a Diva
LoL
December 19th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
And ifd DHB doesn’t get the ball knocked out and if the D holds on 4th down and if we went for 2 or went for the FG in the 1st.
Team loss.
Sum of its parts.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Should have kicked the FG on that 1st possession.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
666
A lot of people in here just don’t get it.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
the deep pass to murphy vs chi won us the game, so that would have been a loss with a conservative approach
December 19th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Should have kicked the FG on that 1st possession.
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belicheck woudln’t have, green bay wouldn’t have, saints wouldn’t have
December 19th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
We swung & missed on Dennis Thurman and Darren Perry.
so what ???
are those the only two DC candidates better than Chuck B?
If we “settled” on any coach (especially coordinator), then we did our players and fans a great disservice – print that
If Davis and/or thought Bresnahan was an idiot, he wouldn’t have a job here at Week 16
Half of our losses can be blamed on the offense, including this one. throw in the penalties issue and you have to wonder why Hue Jackson hasn’t been fired as well imo. you throw out one, you throw out both and start all over. add Al Saunders to that list
sometimes you need a fresh start. hire a GM and go from there. this team is loaded with talent. too many games where our players weren’t motivated or prepared. too many games where our players are making boneheaded penalties & turnovers. blown coverages and missed assignments, etc. At some point you have to wonder if these cats are being “coached up” properly
December 19th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
98 yard drive lost us the game.
Sorry when your HOF punter nails it to the 2 and your “tampa cover 2″ wanna-be D can’t stop them.
Thats the ballgame folks.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
“Cooper Carlisle
Hardest player to figure out.
Sometimes he looks terrible and other times he looks dominant.”
I know I have been hoping all year he would shine because having consistency on the O-Line helps a lot.
December 19th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Should have kicked the FG on that 1st possession.
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belicheck woudln’t have, green bay wouldn’t have, saints wouldn’t have
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1) You don’t know that
2) They’re also a hell of a lot better than the Raiders, so they can take that gamble
December 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
BEEN WAITING ALL DAY 4 SOMEONE TO SAY IF NNAMDI WAS HERE YESTERDAY,THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT
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Dirt Lot:
trade McClain & Seymour for Nnamdi Asomugha!
December 19th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
We swung & missed on Dennis Thurman and Darren Perry.
so what ???
are those the only two DC candidates better than Chuck B?
If we “settled” on any coach (especially coordinator), then we did our players and fans a great disservice – print that
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I think Al let Hue go try to do his thing and had Bres waiting around in case.
Hue couldn’t talk to those two so Al said ’sorry, Hue, we’re going with my guy, who you know anyway.’
December 19th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
BEEN WAITING ALL DAY 4 SOMEONE TO SAY IF NNAMDI WAS HERE YESTERDAY,THINGS WOULD HAVE BEEN DIFFERENT
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Dirt Lot:
trade McClain & Seymour for Nnamdi Asomugha!
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LOL
Where do I sign up? Eagles could use a MLB….
December 19th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
having consistency on the O-Line helps a lot.
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Silver,
having consistency ANYWHERE would help a lot imo
December 19th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Should have kicked the FG on that 1st possession.
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belicheck woudln’t have, green bay wouldn’t have, saints wouldn’t have
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the Raiders aren’t any of those teams. Plus, you don’t know what they would have done in those circumstances.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
I think Al let Hue go try to do his thing and had Bres waiting around in case.
Hue couldn’t talk to those two so Al said ’sorry, Hue, we’re going with my guy, who you know anyway.’
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LA,
thats a lovely fairy tale. got any more?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Raiders, The gift that keeps on giving. A Commitment to Excrement. LOL.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Kell,
Raiders are only 1 game outta first place with 2 games left …
can I get a “CODE BLACK” ????
December 19th, 2011 at 2:03 pm
I thoight they had enough Code Black posts to win yesterday.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
LA,
thats a lovely fairy tale. got any more?
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Is that really a stretch?
I mean, at all?
Bres was hired with an unspecified title and kept on staff while Hue reached out to teams to interview their staff.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:04 pm
Too many questionable decisions by hue. Way too many. He has promise, but until he grows up he will not have success. If he gets another chance I hope he takes te to reflect on his constant low percentage decisions. This team is not good enough to leave points on the board and to get cute late in the fourth quarter.
To move forward this team needs a fm and hc who have a plan are more professional than hue.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 1:36 am
Ghadafi, Bin Laden, Kim Jong-il, Al Davis…
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screech, erkle, sullivan44…
December 19th, 2011 at 2:06 pm
If theres one eliment of coaching I think I would be good at fromm being a longtime football fan … its decision making.
1. ALWAYS TAKE THE POINTS (FG’s)
2. ALWAYS CALL YOUR D IN A GAME SEALING DRIVE … PUT BEST CORNER ON BEST WR WITH HELP OVER TOP. RUSH YOUR BEST ENDS AND DON’T DROP INTO PREVENT OR CHANGE TO HELP A QB.
3. GOING FOR 2 WHEN YOUR AHEAD IS A RISK FOR YOUR TEAM MORE THAN AN ADVANTAGE. SEE RULE #1.
4. 4TH AND 1 … YOU MUST RUN.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
I know Dakota but at least some of us know what clock management is.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Damn it is hard to type on this iphone.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Dakota,
Hue needs to grow up and be more professional?
come on, man…
get your mani/pedi on!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
The tight ends need to be utilized more as recievers. really would have come in handy on some of those failed third down attempts. Boss is good. use him.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
they have iphones in SD?
dang. we’re still carving on stone here in Missou!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
935.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Kell,
Raiders are only 1 game outta first place with 2 games left …
can I get a “CODE BLACK” ????
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RR do you think they can make it?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Still don’t understand why the Raiders don’t make some personnel changes. I don’t just mean the hurt foursome, but other guys that seem to be dragging their heels.
If, when I worked as a nurse, my patients were dead or falling on the floor alot, I would be out the door (and maybe in jail). The point is what job can you screw up continually without there being consequences?
Yes, I do know about tenured teachers and government employees. Besides that.
The answer is none, unless you are useful some other way.
I wouldn’t think the other way would apply to football, but that could be wrong too.
Gosh, at least sit some guys down.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Kell, I remember u were one who said the preseason and what we were seeing, mattered. I agreed.
The preseason is a prelude to the reg. season. The final scortes of those games do NOT matter, however, the preseason can reveal alot about a team.
What it revealed about Raiders was:
-No depth. When you’re 2nd and 3rd stringers are getting smoked, u should be concerned cuz those are the guys who may be playing. We got obliterated in the 2nd halfs of those games.
-Horrible defense. You saw it in the pre-season in EVERY SINGLE GAME. Did that not carry over?
-Good first string offense. Of course it was JC at the helm but they moved the ball in the preseason.
I for one will watch next yrs. preseason games closely.
The first one is just a warm up but games 2 and 3 can reveal alot.
It sure as heck did this year.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
With Al gone, we will not have any problem picking up a good DC candidate. Those guys didnt want to be here because they’d have to run Al’s D. Now they can run their own. Sure playoff would be nice this year but we aint going anywhere in the playoff anyway.
I am really excited about next year. Look what Bum Phillips did in Houston in his first year. Phillips is not a HC but he sure darn know the DC role. We will improve drastically on D next year. You guys watch.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I still can not understand how McClain ended up matched up with Calvin Johnson in the deep thirds of the field.
What went wrong Maverick?
Could someone explain to me how that happened?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Raiders @ Arrowhead on Christmas Eve a week after they thumped the unbeaten Green Bay Packers?
this will not be an easy win, especially since they dominated us 28-0 at Oakland. You know their confidence will be at an all-time high!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
We will improve drastically on D next year. You guys watch.
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Agreed.
We should be killer next year.
Doesn’t excuse the rest of THIS year though. I expect ballsy performances and playing with desparation.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Raiders @ Arrowhead on Christmas Eve a week after they thumped the unbeaten Green Bay Packers?
this will not be an easy win, especially since they dominated us 28-0 at Oakland. You know their confidence will be at an all-time high!
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Which is why they will stumble, lose, get p;ssed and knock the snot outta Denver.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Inonewordraider Says:
belicheck woudln’t have, green bay wouldn’t have, saints wouldn’t have
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Where are you getting this?
Green Bay attempted a FG in the first quarter yesterday. But he missed from 54 yards, a distance Jano usually hits.
New England took the FG from the 3 yard line in the first half yesterday.
New Orleans punted the one time it faced 4th down in the first half yesterday.
So . . . we just blew up your little theory there, didn’t we?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
re post 917: “And the passing late in the game on third and short was really what lost us this game.
I keep on saying that in here and no one else seems to get that we could have ran another 45 seconds off the clock by simply running it on that 3rd down and 3.
Even if we do not convert we leave them with 45 seconds less to work with.”
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it only took them 91 seconds to go 98 yards for that winning TD – even if we run the ball on 3rd and 3, that takes the clock to the 2 minute warner….the punt took only 5 seconds…so they would have gotten the ball back with 1:55, theoretically
but at the end of the day this is all loser talk
a sick, sick Monday after arguably the worst loss in Raider history
December 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
Chuck Bresnahan must go! His defense was just as bad his first time around. Jon Gruden’s offense carried that team. We have enough talent on this defense to be a ‘bully’ but not with Bresnahan.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:12 pm
948.Gerard Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
Kell, I remember u were one who said the preseason and what we were seeing, mattered. I agreed.
The preseason is a prelude to the reg. season. The final scortes of those games do NOT matter, however, the preseason can reveal alot about a team.
What it revealed about Raiders was:
-No depth. When you’re 2nd and 3rd stringers are getting smoked, u should be concerned cuz those are the guys who may be playing. We got obliterated in the 2nd halfs of those games.
-Horrible defense. You saw it in the pre-season in EVERY SINGLE GAME. Did that not carry over?
-Good first string offense. Of course it was JC at the helm but they moved the ball in the preseason.
I for one will watch next yrs. preseason games closely.
The first one is just a warm up but games 2 and 3 can reveal alot.
It sure as heck did this year.
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To add our first game in denver when we racked up all those penalties and fighting and acting a fool on the field. I was done with this defense. They were not ready then and they are not ready now.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
Nnamdi is years ahead of Routt. Routt got exposed time and again this year. I knew that stupid “not turning” your head around defense was going to catch up to his a$$. Dude gave up how many TDs this year? At least 5 that I can remember. A good chunk of them invovled the quick slant to the endzone.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
so how did KC defeat GB?
4 sacks, 2 forced fumbles and they took the Packers top 3 WR’s out of the game.
excellent special teams and no turnovers on offense. live for the next play
December 19th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Carson Palmer = Kerry Collins
Kyle Orton was able to expose the bad green bay defense meanwhile Palmer threw four interceptions just the way Kerry Collins used to .
Oakland Raiders Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
Carson Palmer 24 42 245 57.1 5.8 1 7 1 4 42.4
Kansas City Chiefs Comp Att Yds Pct Y/A Sack YdsL TD Int Rating
Kyle Orton 23 31 299 74.2 9.6 0 0 0 0 104.1
December 19th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
Routt is an overpaid second tier player. Most penalizad CB in the league time and again.Victimized deep (so much for 4.2 speed)…. Chuky B gives this team no hope. The O has been playing above average even with the team’s best player hurt. We have a ton of cap space invested in the lowest ranked D in the league.
Fire Chuky B yesterday. Release Routt, Mclain, Tommy Kelly and the rest of the half effort bums!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:14 pm
so how did KC defeat GB?
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Tamba Hali. He absolutely owned the line yesterday. You own the line and you own the QB.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
950…blown coverage… Has to be …even Bresnahan can’t think McClain could possibly cover Johnson
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Aig-Raider
I am with you on that one.
I was posting about that all yesterday and this morning. How can you knot think you are going to be flagged for interferance when you never turn around to the ball? Aginst Calvin Johnson at that, are you for real? You have to leap at the balls highest point to knock it down. How can you do that if you can’t time your jump? Oh, I know! Turn the freak around and look at the ball!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
is Palmer better than Rodgers?
is our O-Line better than GB’s?
are DHB, Murphy & Moore better than Driver, Nelson & Jones?
the only way to win is run Mike Bush at’em 25 times and stuff Jones & McCluster imo
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
Route is an above average cb. Nothing more. He is severely overpaid.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Tamba Hali. He absolutely owned the line yesterday. You own the line and you own the QB.
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hopefully Veldheer & Barnes are up for the challenge
December 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
fingers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
950…blown coverage… Has to be …even Bresnahan can’t think McClain could possibly cover Johnson
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Stupid scheme. They motion 81 to the inside of the other WR on his side and Routt switches up with the safety. On both big plays to 81, that’s what happened. That’s why you get a safety or a MLB trying to cover 81.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
the only problem with Stan Routt is the fact that he wasn’t assigned to Calvin Johnson 100% of snaps yesterday …
December 19th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
Let me repeat what I wrote iin this blog the day CHUKY B was named DC…he has a mental handicap, not capable of being an NFL DC, fire him yesterday!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Oh, I know! Turn the freak around and look at the ball!!!!
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CJ34, he’s been doing that all season and getting away with it. I thought he interfered every time he did that, but they didnt call it. They finally called it on him because of 81’s reputation.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Just want to see the team play weel and hard to finish out the season. There should be no off season for these guys at all.
Oh, and get a new strength and conditioning coach and a good podiatrist.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
963.fingers Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:17 pm
950…blown coverage… Has to be …even Bresnahan can’t think McClain could possibly cover Johnson
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Fingers when I saw that I was at the bar and I could have punched the guy right next to me after that play. I do not know what was worse the fact McClain was covering the dude or the fact that neither defender knew where the ball was or tried to make a play on a bad thrown balloon ball.
Best punter in the league puts the ball in the corner before the 5. Dropped it in there perfect and we blow perfect position. The offense left points on the field but the defense killed us.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
“CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I still can not understand how McClain ended up matched up with Calvin Johnson in the deep thirds of the field.
What went wrong Maverick?
Could someone explain to me how that happened?”
I think that in the Tampa 2 defense the MLB stays back with the 2 safeties.
Not 100% sure but I think that’s protocol.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Tamba Hali. He absolutely owned the line yesterday. You own the line and you own the QB.
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hopefully Veldheer & Barnes are up for the challenge
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3.5 sacks in the last 3 games vs the Raiders.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
wow the things im reading on here are stupid. People giving up on Palmer after not even a full season with a new team. Did people forget this guy not only came off his couch but he didn’t even have a training camp. Hue Jackson is not the one calling the plays on defense so theres no one to blame for this loss but on Bresnehan. Why in the world would you have Rolando covering Megatron? just dumb.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
any chance dmac plays or have they shut him down?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:23 pm
969.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:20 pm
the only problem with Stan Routt is the fact that he wasn’t assigned to Calvin Johnson 100% of snaps yesterday …
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RR are you making a plug for Routt? Is he your guy! : )
December 19th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Thanks Gerard. I’m not totally senile.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:24 pm
Palmer and Hue will get another year with a traing camp and ota’s.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
974.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:22 pm
“CJ Legend 34 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
I still can not understand how McClain ended up matched up with Calvin Johnson in the deep thirds of the field.
What went wrong Maverick?
Could someone explain to me how that happened?”
I think that in the Tampa 2 defense the MLB stays back with the 2 safeties.
Not 100% sure but I think that’s protocol.
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Would make sense. Well the Tampa II and the prevent sucks!!!! We gift wrapped that game for the Lions.
They don’t even have a running game and still punished us through the air.
I really dislike our DBs. Excuse me, I really dislike our defense. Where is the intensity?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
Look at the O: Points, TOP, turnovers….How the hell do you fault the O? CHUKY B will cost HueJax his job, fire him right friggin now!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Belichek wasn’t a hit right away as a Head Coach. We used to punish him when he was with Cleveland.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Cj…yep, Stafford just threw it up….just a duck…after Johnson caught it.. I got this sick feeling….. My girlfriend just walked outta the living room.. My dogs were already under the bed….Horrible feeling… Again..
December 19th, 2011 at 2:27 pm
Said it before and I will say it again. Our defense can play as dumb as a box of rocks.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
CHUKY B makes Rob Ryan look like Buddy Ryan.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
Just watched that Janikowski kick again. Hard to say, but I’m convinced that was going through if Suh doesn’t deflect it. Looked like he got it and said as much following the game. Trajectory was good. I really think he had it.
DAAAAAAMMMMMNNNNNNNNNNNNNNN ITTTTTTT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:29 pm
Would make sense. Well the Tampa II and the prevent sucks!!!! We gift wrapped that game for the Lions.
They don’t even have a running game and still punished us through the air.
I really dislike our DBs. Excuse me, I really dislike our defense. Where is the intensity?
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Chuck B, has always been a passive DC. I can’t imagine why Al would bring him back.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Why else would Hue let an ESPN reporter do a story on him in a salon getting a manicure other than self indulgence?
There is no other reason!
Hue loves him some Hue!!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
time to hire a real defensive coordinator like Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio. Bresnehan can go back to the UFL.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
For the first time, the Raiders should be able to attract a competent DC to the Raiders next year.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
The only time you should go into a prevent with a one score lead is if there’s less than a minute left and the opposing team has no timeouts and about 80 yards to go. That’s it.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Hue made some questionable play calls through out the season but he did a good job of geting us some scrappy wins. We were in a position to win the game it was not like every game was a blow out. Our players have to do a better job of executing plays and playing smart! They just are not there yet.
What we need is some real ball players not just projects who are going to play hard and smart come rain, shine or snow. We don’t have enough intense players on this team to get peoples faces. When they start saying is your punter and kicker who do that, you have a problem.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:34 pm
Good to see John Madden in the box, yesterday. So happy he’s made himself available to Mark & Amy. That should get us a solid GM next year.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
For the first time, the Raiders should be able to attract a competent DC to the Raiders next year.
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The same could be said about a head coach.
Other than Gruden winning a Super Bowl with Dungee’s team, not a single Al Davis head coach since Shanahan has done squat. Some may be good position coaches or coordinators, but they’re all incompetent as head coaches.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Our defense hasn’t play a complete game all season. Our offense pretty much has to be near perfect in all phases to compensate.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
Truth is the rebuilding will begin next offseason. Thee scholarhip guys are already looking for work. The D needs a massive overhaul, has consistently been one of the worst Ds in the league during the last 10 years. Chuky B is already packed.
We need some WRs, and for Pete’s sake a WR coach.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
too many freaking spectators this season – McFadden, Jones, Ford, Chris Johnson – all key guys – zero contribution….not sure what we’ve gotten from Scott, Moss, Groves, etc…
this team needs more help than many believe – we are not one or two players away
still need DBs, a back-up QB (after JC departs), a big, go-to WR (thought you would be it Chaz), need to also get a durable RB in here (can not rely on Darren, Jones – who knows, and Bush needs a speedy complement, plus he may sign elsewhere)
also need LB and DL help
with our lack of draft picks count on seeing a hodge podge of free agents signed….guys cast off from other teams
not sure what the future holds here
December 19th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Will be a busy offseason for sure. It just sucks so much that we had a shot THIS year and just freaking blew it. Major choke job.
Positives:
-Next year NEW GM to run this the right way (we hope).
-The defense WILL get worked on and Bresnahan is history. He has to be doesn’t he?
-Maybe have healthy guys back? I seriously would rather forget about DMAC. I don’t trust him to be healthy when he misses a minimum of 1/3rd of the season in EACH year. Next year won’t be any different, AND i think his career may be over actually.
Move on.
Again, I can’t wait to see a defense that can stop a team from going 98 yds. for a TD with less than 2 mins. left with NO timeouts with the season on the line.
Is that too much to frickin ask for? Geeeez Louise.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:39 pm
I give Hue credit for getting the team up to play after a pair of crushing losses. I give him credit for the offense moving the ball and gaining close to 500 yards of offense without DMac and Ford.
This is what I fault Hue for yesterday:
- Not going for 2 up by 12 with 7+ minutes to go. Inexcusable. No sense in rationalizing it. Making excuses for it. Nothing to say but, “Sorry, my bad” if you’re Hue Jackson. Not prepared or lost your composure there HJ.
- Calling a low percentage bomb on 3rd and 3 when a first down in bounds takes the clock to the 2-minute warning. When the opponent has no timeouts and it’s first down at the 2 minute warning, all you have to do is take 3 kneel-downs and it’s over. You’re honestly telling me you don’t have a play you feel more confident in to get you 3 yards than a 40-50 yard rainbow to a streaking receiver? WTF, Hue?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Bring in a Dick Lebeu protege to turn this D around…or marty schotennheimer! wow, i’d love to see Marty get on Mclains lazy ax.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Why else would Hue let an ESPN reporter do a story on him in a salon getting a manicure other than self indulgence?
There is no other reason!
Hue loves him some Hue!!!!!
Maybe you could do his toes for him? Commitment to Excrement. LOL
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
My ideal would be Madden at GM and a Mike Singeltary type disciplinarian at D coordinator
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Chris In NY Says:
I give Hue credit for getting the team up to play after a pair of crushing losses.
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I also give him credit for those crushing losses.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:43 pm
Maybe if the Jets fire Brian Schottenheimer this off-season Hue can go be offensive co-ordinator there and he & Rex Ryan can talk about their feet.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:44 pm
uuuuu, mike singletery at DC! woodson as secondary coach. waufle at DL. ..sounds like something that might work
December 19th, 2011 at 2:45 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:37 pm
KoolKell Says:
For the first time, the Raiders should be able to attract a competent DC to the Raiders next year.
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The same could be said about a head coach.
Other than Gruden winning a Super Bowl with Dungee’s team, not a single Al Davis head coach since Shanahan has done squat. Some may be good position coaches or coordinators, but they’re all incompetent as head coaches.
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Well HueJax is a rookie HC. But yeah, we could even get a big-name HC next year.
I wonder what Madden thought about the 4&1 play on the first possession.
Imo, I’d give Hue another year. At this point. We’ll see.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:30 pm
Why else would Hue let an ESPN reporter do a story on him in a salon getting a manicure other than self indulgence?
There is no other reason!
Hue loves him some Hue!!!!!
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Yup. Sad but true.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Tired of all the complaining about Carson Palmer not being worth what we gave up for him. How was yesterday his fault?????!!!! dude went 35 of 40!!!!! and 2 of the misses were ball spikes!!!! and what will we have lost for our picks…….lets take a Fuggin look at how we do with first round picks say over the last decade:
JaWalrus
M Huff
Fabian Washington
R Gallery
Tyler Brayton
Phillip Buchanon
Napoleon Harris
Derrick Gibson
DHB
Rolando Mc
McFadden
So any others on there you would not have traded for CP? In MY opinion ONLY McFadden would not be in a deal. I would even go so far as to say that Aso as good as he is would be in play to get a franchise QB. Our record with 1st rd draft picks is pathetic!
People here act that we are golden at taking first round talent!! WRONG!…DEAD WRONG!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Singletary is weird. I’d rather have someone else.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Chris In NY Says:
I give Hue credit for getting the team up to play after a pair of crushing losses.
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I also give him credit for those crushing losses.
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Fair point. All I’m saying is a lot of teams would’ve gone in the tank all banged up and coming off a couple of dismantlings. I thought the effort was strong yesterday. Really should’ve won that game. Thoroughly outplayed Detroit, in my opinion.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
Give Hue another year. we dont have draft picks to entice a big name HC…warm Bill Cowher up!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Again, even just an average defense shuts down that last drive.
Can we at least get up to average? Please?
I’m talking top 15 in run and pass.
Is that too much to ask?
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Gerard Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:38 pm
Again, I can’t wait to see a defense that can stop a team from going 98 yds. for a TD with less than 2 mins. left with NO timeouts with the season on the line.
Is that too much to frickin ask for? Geeeez Louise.
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Only the Raiders!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
raidertalk Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
My ideal would be Madden at GM and a Mike Singeltary type disciplinarian at D coordinator
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madden at GM?
No Way.
Far too old and far removed from the game.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Ron-mexico is a Dolphins fan event though he has a Eagles moniker.
The guy is a douche and hates on the Raiders everyday.
He plastered the office with anti-Raider paraphernalia.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Well it’ll be interesting to see what kind of effort we get next week. Hue keeps saying he won’t let this team regress but it’ll take a huge sell job to get these guys ready to play in kc next week after that demoralizing loss. We will definitely see what we are made of on saturday
December 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
They made Detroit one-dimensional, for gawds sake.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Hue seemed to awaken the Raiders Offense after years of slumber follwing the Superbolw loss to Tampa.
I think our offense if fully healthy can play with anybody; so Hue should get another year…BUT he HAS to be a better GAME MANAGER…
IF he can be more aware of the timing and resist the temptation to gamble late in games, We might have had two or three of those games Buffalo and yesterday come to mind
December 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Ron-mexico is a Dolphins fan event though he has a Eagles moniker.
The guy is a douche and hates on the Raiders everyday.
He plastered the office with anti-Raider paraphernalia.
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So fking what?????????????????????
December 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
I think McClain is very iffy to be on the roster in 2012. I don’t think he’s capable of being the man in a 4-3 scheme. Simply not quick or fast enough. How do you let Matt Stafford burn you like that? Stafford is a decent athlete, but a true NFL-caliber MLB should be able to handle a RB or WR in that spot, let alone a moderately mobile QB.
McClain’s arrogant and has got lazy feet. Thought he could just reach out and grab him with an arm tackle without using his feet to get in position to deliver a legit tackle.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
1011.Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:46 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:42 pm
Chris In NY Says:
I give Hue credit for getting the team up to play after a pair of crushing losses.
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I also give him credit for those crushing losses.
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Fair point. All I’m saying is a lot of teams would’ve gone in the tank all banged up and coming off a couple of dismantlings. I thought the effort was strong yesterday. Really should’ve won that game. Thoroughly outplayed Detroit, in my opinion.
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Yep!!! I like Hues never die attitude the whole year. We need a little bravado but he did a little to much grand standing. But there are many coaches who do more than that i.e Rex Ryan!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Im still beside myself from yesterday.
Sold out crowd.
EVERYTHING on the line if you can just f’ing stop them; NOT from scoring a FG just stop ‘em from scoring a TD.
How f’ing pathetic do u have to be to let them run down like that and score a TD?
I HATE the Raider defense. I HATE Bresnahan, I despise everything about the defense.
They let the Raider fans down horribly.
They should be ashamed.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:52 pm
Gerard Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
Again, even just an average defense shuts down that last drive.
Can we at least get up to average? Please?
I’m talking top 15 in run and pass.
Is that too much to ask?
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Apparently so.
Even with a defense like, say, Seattle’s–currently #11 against the run & #14 against the pass–this team is 9-5 at least if not 10-4.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Tired of all the complaining about Carson Palmer not being worth what we gave up for him. How was yesterday his fault?????!!!! dude went 35 of 40!!!!! and 2 of the misses were ball spikes!!!! and what will we have lost for our picks…….lets take a Fuggin look at how we do with first round picks say over the last decade:
JaWalrus
M Huff
Fabian Washington
R Gallery
Tyler Brayton
Phillip Buchanon
Napoleon Harris
Derrick Gibson
DHB
Rolando Mc
McFadden
So any others on there you would not have traded for CP? In MY opinion ONLY McFadden would not be in a deal. I would even go so far as to say that Aso as good as he is would be in play to get a franchise QB. Our record with 1st rd draft picks is pathetic!
People here act that we are golden at taking first round talent!! WRONG!…DEAD WRONG!!!
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You can thank, god bless him, Al Davis for that.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Raidertalk Says:
My ideal would be Madden at GM and a Mike Singeltary type disciplinarian at D coordinator
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We all love Madden, but man he’s getting up there in age. He’s over 75 now. There is some truth in saying things like “the game has passed you by”.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
IF he can be more aware of the timing and resist the temptation to gamble late in games, We might have had two or three of those games Buffalo and yesterday come to mind
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I think the gambler issue only applies because he “BELIEVED” too much in his defense. None of his gambles matter if the defense holds.. The only game I can remember faulting the defense for is Patriots. Other than that, the defense sucks. My motto has been all year “If the Raiders are up by 6 pts or less with 2 mins or more on the clock, they will find a way to loose”
December 19th, 2011 at 2:56 pm
1021.Chris in NY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
I think McClain is very iffy to be on the roster in 2012. I don’t think he’s capable of being the man in a 4-3 scheme. Simply not quick or fast enough. How do you let Matt Stafford burn you like that? Stafford is a decent athlete, but a true NFL-caliber MLB should be able to handle a RB or WR in that spot, let alone a moderately mobile QB.
McClain’s arrogant and has got lazy feet. Thought he could just reach out and grab him with an arm tackle without using his feet to get in position to deliver a legit tackle.
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Ny to me McClain is the big let down player on this team if I had to assign one. If I recall at AL the big thing about this guy coming out of college was ability to cover first and stop the run second. With his bad attitude I just can’t see him geting better right now.
Unlike DHB who needs more skill at WR the main thing that helps this guy is he is willing to learn, work hard and get better. The kid was a high draft pick and a project. Not his fault we icked the kid, but he is willing to improve.
McClain has all of the meausrables but feet are slow but his attitude is worse. He talks and plays like he has already been there. The only thing is he does not produce like the film watching quite leader that he was cracked up to be coming out of AL. He comes across like an @$$!
December 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
Silverandblack666 is actually a guy who dresses like a girl in the office. The other Raider fans in the office are pretty disgusted by this.
December 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
I think the gambler issue only applies because he “BELIEVED” too much in his defense. None of his gambles matter if the defense holds.. The only game I can remember faulting the defense for is Patriots. Other than that, the defense sucks. My motto has been all year “If the Raiders are up by 6 pts or less with 2 mins or more on the clock, they will find a way to loose”
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I meant faulting the “offense” for.. not defense
December 19th, 2011 at 2:57 pm
raidermarty Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:49 pm
Well it’ll be interesting to see what kind of effort we get next week. Hue keeps saying he won’t let this team regress but it’ll take a huge sell job to get these guys ready to play in kc next week after that demoralizing loss. We will definitely see what we are made of on saturday
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These guys better be up for this one. Whether we won or lost to Det the KC and SD games are far more important for our playoff chances.
Win next Saturday and we’re still very much alive, no matter what else happens around the league. That’s all these guys need to think about. Win and stay in. Lose, and we’re just about officially eliminated (I think we’d need 7 games to all break our way over the next two weeks to somehow get in at 8-8).
December 19th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
Tired of all the complaining about Carson Palmer not being worth what we gave up for him. How was yesterday his fault?????!!!! dude went 35 of 40!!!!! and 2 of the misses were ball spikes!!!! and what will we have lost for our picks…….lets take a Fuggin look at how we do with first round picks say over the last decade:
JaWalrus
M Huff
Fabian Washington
R Gallery
Tyler Brayton
Phillip Buchanon
Napoleon Harris
Derrick Gibson
DHB
Rolando Mc
McFadden
So any others on there you would not have traded for CP? In MY opinion ONLY McFadden would not be in a deal. I would even go so far as to say that Aso as good as he is would be in play to get a franchise QB. Our record with 1st rd draft picks is pathetic!
People here act that we are golden at taking first round talent!! WRONG!…DEAD WRONG!!!
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You can thank, god bless him, Al Davis for that.
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And with no GM the prospect for better decisions with draft picks is……0%
December 19th, 2011 at 2:58 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 2:53 pm
Raidertalk Says:
My ideal would be Madden at GM and a Mike Singeltary type disciplinarian at D coordinator
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We all love Madden, but man he’s getting up there in age. He’s over 75 now. There is some truth in saying things like “the game has passed you by”.
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ummmm Al anyone? LoL
December 19th, 2011 at 2:59 pm
What really Bad about the D. Moore over throw is that there was no safety help in the middle of the field which means Carson could have lead D. moore inside an avoided that over throw. OOPS!!! That is a my bad on Carson!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
McClain’s arrogant and has got lazy feet. Thought he could just reach out and grab him with an arm tackle without using his feet to get in position to deliver a legit tackle.
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I think this guy was put in a bad scheme all year long. Lets get a decent DC and see what happens before we judge this guy. He’s only 22 for crying out loud. How many of you were doing anything of significance at 22 and had it all figured out??????
December 19th, 2011 at 3:00 pm
“I noticed from watching the tape of the previous week against Oakland that they’d power run Sproles right between the guard and the center over and over again and get big yardage and I thought why aren’t they (Raiders) hittin’ that gap and stoppin’ that?; so when it came up in that situation I knew what they was gonna do and I just plugged that gap and made that play”
-Ray Lewis on “The Stop” against the San Diego Chargers’ Darren Sproles in the 4th quarter of the 2009 divisional playoffs at San Diego on fourth down which sealed the victory for Baltimore.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
DHB made two big errors in yesterdays game that were costly, but he did show potential. And one thing I will say about DHB is I am sure he will learn from his mistakes.
Football 101 – When playing WR you never let the ball hit your pads and try to trap it. You catch away from your body and pull the ball in close. Especially after the catch. Once you pull the ball in keep it close to your boody. he carried it like a loaf a bread after the nice catch and got stripped of the ball.
His confidence was gone by the time he could have set up the last kick of the game, but instead he blew a 10-15 yard gain. You have to make those plays.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:01 pm
madden at GM?
No Way.
Far too old and far removed from the game.
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Maybe older but not more removed from the game then people like jerry jones
December 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
RaiderfanNY Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 8:20 am
Still sick over this game.
There are a million things to second-guess, but it all comes down to the long pass to Johnson. We were in a Tampa 2, meaning the safeties split the deep field and were responsible for not letting any WR get past them.
Boyd, instead of staying back, came up and froze, letting Johnson run right past him. Despite all the focus on McClain running 40 yards down field, it was Boyd’s responsibility to make that play. He should have been behind Johnson, waiting to “field” that lame duck throw and knock it down.
I played safety in high school and I would have been benched for letting a receiver get past me in the last two minutes of a close game — even if he didn’t catch the pass.
Boyd should be cut this morning. Period.
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AMEN BROTHER! Said the same thing last nite!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Gerard,
No offense buddy, I can’t blame you, but didn’t you say yesterday you were done with the Raiders?
December 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Good question Ray. WHY?
This team needs somebody with some f’ing brains to come in and instill a modern day defense with PLAYERS who are smart enough to figure out what the hell is going on. Period!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
DHB is a zone-killer and terrific possession WR.
He’s a possession WR with speed, which is rare and he is finally being used properly now.
Good thing about all the injuries is now Palmer has built up a chemistry with all the WRs that will help in the final two games and going into next season.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Ron-Mexico is a Dolphins fan who I lost $20 when they beat us and the douche will not let it go.
In our office there are “Raiders suck” pictures posted in the bathroom and even in the parking lot on the windshields of Raider fans cars.
Our Xmas tree in the lobby has anti raider crap hanging on it. I am going to file a grievance with management and then I am going to fart in his cubicle!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
I HATE the Raider defense. I HATE Bresnahan, I despise everything about the defense.
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Sitting behind the Raiders bench yesterday, I got the feeling they feel Bresna”crap” is not worth thier time. I see guys not paying attention to him. I see guys coming off the field and shrugging him off. I saw a coach with no command of his players. I think he’s done and I think the players know it. Hopefully we won’t get has-beens like “CRAPPY SAPPY”, but hungry vets like “Takeo Spikes” who have played for 14yrs and never been to a playoff. Those are the players we need, not a Seymour who is just riding out his time since he already has his rings..
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Looks like DHB might be the 1st 1,000 yard reciever since 4ever
December 19th, 2011 at 3:06 pm
1040.LA to TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:02 pm
Gerard,
No offense buddy, I can’t blame you, but didn’t you say yesterday you were done with the Raiders?
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I meant that I am “done” for this year. I could never, ever be “done” forever. It’s in my dna to root for this team.
I’m thinking towards next year at this point. Not trying to back track, i’ve just given up on the season.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:07 pm
“What really Bad about the D. Moore over throw is that there was no safety help in the middle of the field which means Carson could have lead D. moore inside an avoided that over throw. OOPS!!! That is a my bad on Carson!!!”
Try watching the game again on NFL replay and you will see Moore getting held by the defender while he was breaking for the ball. The pass was on target the hold did not get called and yes Palmer manned up and took the blame instead of pointing a finger.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:08 pm
DHB made two big errors in yesterdays game that were costly, but he did show potential. And one thing I will say about DHB is I am sure he will learn from his mistakes.
Football 101 – When playing WR you never let the ball hit your pads and try to trap it. You catch away from your body and pull the ball in close. Especially after the catch. Once you pull the ball in keep it close to your boody. he carried it like a loaf a bread after the nice catch and got stripped of the ball.
His confidence was gone by the time he could have set up the last kick of the game, but instead he blew a 10-15 yard gain. You have to make those plays.
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I was directly in front of the play when the ball hit him and he took his eye off it for a second because the DB was about to blast him. I don’t know if it showed on TV, but from my vantage point there were 3 defenders coming after that ball. Yes, he should’ve caught it, but also, I question if he did, would there had been enough time to get up there and spike the ball for a field goal?
December 19th, 2011 at 3:09 pm
I guess since i keep rehashing that defensive debacle from yesterday i haven’t let it go yet and I am in fact writing as if i am not “done” for the season.
Just a few more vents.
This one is booger to let go of. It haunts me like a bad dream…or ex wife.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Thus far, looks like a wasted season.
Maybe if we win out, it could be a spring board, like Gruden’s 99 campaign.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
I wish I could say this game bothered me more.
It just kind of showed me that they are who we thought they were.
Potential to be a #1 offense with a great future and defense with potentially some good building blocks and terrible scheme/preparation.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:12 pm
Raider hangover this one hurts
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Are any of you guys watching this press conference
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
I want Madden as a GM because I don’t want the Raiders to be another cookie cutter organization…I want someone that can atleast carry some of the tradition of the Team.
Not some trendy punk
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Schizophrenia prevails….Where are all the hang Khalif Barnes haters today….My hands are too soar from using an imaginary picture of mistyeyes taped to a concrete wall and slamming it all day or I would be calling more of you out….
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Welll Moore back helped open things up and hurt the D without much catches.
Ford should be back this week too.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
…sore…***
December 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Ron-Mexico is a Dolphins fan who I lost $20 when they beat us and the douche will not let it go.
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Ron-Mexico is Mick Vicks code name when he was visting the STD clinic’s …
December 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
“Are any of you guys watching this press conference”
Link please
December 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Raiders should bring in Ron Wolf as some kind of consultant at least.
They guy is magic. He might be old too but he can still contribute I think.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
“Are any of you guys watching this press conference”
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Anything of note or typical stuff?
December 19th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
1045.raiderinparadise Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:04 pm
Looks like DHB might be the 1st 1,000 yard reciever since 4ever
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Whats he at 780 ish??
he is going to need two big games..
Be good for him if he could.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:17 pm
1059.Silverandblack666 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:15 pm
“Are any of you guys watching this press conference”
Link please
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What press conference?
Is Hue getting fired? Bresnahan? I hope…
December 19th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
A little of both “you don’t expect a team to go down 98 yards” and sort of a shot at Kyle Boller
December 19th, 2011 at 3:20 pm
and sort of a shot at Kyle Boller
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Wouldn’t be the first from Hue.
“you don’t expect a team to go down 98 yards” = shot at Bres.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:21 pm
I’m sure we’ll hear alot of bragging about how “we stopped the run” yesterday from the defense. They love themselves..they think they’re great.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Lost in all the talk about the Detroit game is that Denarius is a Player in this league…just him being back in the line-up opened up this offense 50% from the last two weeks
December 19th, 2011 at 3:22 pm
They asked if the questionable calls were because he has Palmer as a Qb and he said he made calls like that when Campbell was playing then he said “I even went for it on 4th from our own side in the Cleveland game when I had Boller as QB”
December 19th, 2011 at 3:23 pm
I think Chaz, Denarius, DHB and Ford is a good group. Dump Murph and let Housh retire and bring in another guy to compete.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
“you don’t expect a team to go down 98 yards”
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With ANY of the other 31 you woudldn’t.
It’s your team Hue. Own up to it.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:25 pm
I hate Housh remember yesterday when he had room to run left for at least close to a first and he ran to the right into 2 guys
December 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I know its not his fault but I blame DMACs injury on Boller he got hurt in that KC game on a throw from Boller so I’m just gonna say its his fault
December 19th, 2011 at 3:30 pm
REPOST (FROM THE EVE OF THE 2010 DRAFT):
Chris in NY Says:
April 21st, 2010 at 10:58 am
RoCkwiThDaRaideR408 Says:
April 21st, 2010 at 10:25 am
Chris in NY Says:
April 21st, 2010 at 10:05 am
McClain is bust city.
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lmao..ok buddy, give me three legit reasons for this statement,OTHER than, Nick Saban being his coach, Him having Mt.Cody in the middle, and his lack of “Raider” speed..
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1. I watched several games and he never stood out as a difference maker/play maker. More of a stats accumulater (which Kirk does just fine).
2. You already noted how he’s arguably a product of the team/system he played on in college so I guess I can’t use that even though it’s a big factor. How about the fact that he’s very tall for a MLB and leverage could be an issue for him in beating blocks.
3. Watch this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uhG6bwopKTc&feature=related and tell me what’s so special about his game that he should be the 8th player taken in the draft.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:31 pm
“Up by 13 7 minutes I thought man there’s no way this team scores 13 points”
December 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
1072.18yearsold18yearfan Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:28 pm
I know its not his fault but I blame DMACs injury on Boller he got hurt in that KC game on a throw from Boller so I’m just gonna say its his fault
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Me too. I blame Boller for global warming and my insurance premium going up.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:32 pm
They asked if the questionable calls were because he has Palmer as a Qb and he said he made calls like that when Campbell was playing then he said “I even went for it on 4th from our own side in the Cleveland game when I had Boller as QB”
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Yes he did.
And that was a dumb call too.
Going for it on 4th is always a gamble which might pay off a third of the time.
It’s a gamble and the very definition of the word gamble is to bet on an uncertain outcome.
Detroit is a team known to score a lot of points in the second half well guess what coach, they did.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm
I know its not his fault but I blame DMACs injury on Boller he got hurt in that KC game on a throw from Boller so I’m just gonna say its his fault
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Me too. I blame Boller for global warming and my insurance premium going up.
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Maybe Boller’s calling in those dumb plays to Hue as well.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
@1073
Thats legit alright…
MLB on the unbeaten top D in the nation,
can make look a lil better than you are,
like Kareem Jackson.
I havent seen enough in your face front up tackles either, always prusuit, and a tad late.
Still rooting for him, i was a big Law Frim Fan however.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
After this game DHB has proved that he is not a Go-To receiver in this League…maybe next year
December 19th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
“You just kick it, you go for one,” Jackson said. “There’s a time to go for two and there’s a time … to me, I thought going for one in that situation is the right thing to do, OK?”
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No, not OK. Going for two points would have made it a two touchdown game and Detroit generally scores a lot of points in the second half.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:37 pm
I blame Boller for the bad economy
December 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
After this game DHB has proved that he is not a Go-To receiver in this League…maybe next year
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DHB had a pretty good game.
Apart from those two throws, so did Palmer.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Hue threw it on 3rd down late instead of running Bush because Lions were stacked 2 stop run. “Run it and bleed clock or throw it & end game”
4 minutes ago
December 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Asked about defensive scheme, Hue said again that his players need to make plays, they were in position — “Zone should be simple”
3 minutes ago
December 19th, 2011 at 3:45 pm
I am not accepting the backpeddling. No playoffs means the CP trade was a bad move. Not because of anything palmer did or didn’t do, but because the the major holes to fill can’t be filled through the draft.
We knew the d was garbage. So why make the move. Coulda missed the payoffs with boller and signed palmer this offseason at a discount.
The team you see now will be the team you see nxt year.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
If he does not play again this year, McFadden will have missed nine games this year and 19 of 64 in his career.
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wow
December 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
McClain is about the same size as Brian urlacher ???? It’s all mentality and McClain just ain’t a boar hunting bad mo fo. He plays like he don’t care reminds me of JR. I want him off my team next yr via trade. I know we have a bad dc and terrible play calling but that whiff on Stafford in the red zone was the last straw for me. I now want to change my user name. It shouldn’t take 3 years for a MLB to show you what he gots. Mcclains motor is a 3 cylinder, stamp that.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Yes a tackle there would have sealed the deal good point about face up tackles McClain ain’t that dude he is a bigger Kirk Morrison. Might be a better 3-4 ILB but not earning top ten money. Blame loss on a lot of things. Seemed like Wimbley and co were trying to contain Stafford by straight rushing, note he had few rushing yds but it cost us sack opportunities
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