Jackson quick hits
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, December 19th, 2011 at 3:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Subbing for Steve Corkran today . . .
Will have more later, but some quick hits from Hue Jackson’s press briefing Monday:
– While acknowledging there are always calls and plays you’d like to have back after a one-point loss, the only thing Jackson sounded as if he regretted was not going for two points following the touchdown that put the Raiders up 26-14 with 7:47 left.
His thinking? We’ll get a stop this drive then work the clock. No fear of back-to-back touchdowns and the 14-point number that would put them behind.
As for the fourth-and-1 incompletion to Denarius Moore in the end zone and the third-and-3 incompletion to Chaz Schilens in the fourth quarter, Jackson felt those plays were there to be made.
Same goes for the 48-yard reception by Calvin Johnson against the Raiders’ Cover 2 defense with Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd in coverage. The ball was up there, waiting to be intercepted.
– Stop if you’ve heard this one before _ Darren McFadden is day to day. Jackson said unless he’s told definitively that McFadden is out, then he’s a possibility.
– With the concussion to Bryan McCann, sounds as if the Raiders will go into the next game with Moore returning punts and Tyvon Branch kickoffs rather than bring in someone else. There’s also the possibilty McCann could return.
– Jackson isn’t taking any time going over the permutations of how the Raiders could still be in the playoffs, taking more of a “let’s win ‘em both and see where we stand” philosophy. The Raiders could also finish last in terms of seeding with two losses _ having already lost once to Kansas City _ but he considered that possibility to negative to dwell upon.
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December 19th, 2011 at 3:36 pm
Win out!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:38 pm
#2
December 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
RaidingTexas Says:
We all love Madden, but man he’s getting up there in age. He’s over 75 now. There is some truth in saying things like “the game has passed you by”.
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ummmm Al anyone? LoL
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Exactly my point. Although there were still Al cheerleaders in here last offseason that swore he was as sharp as ever.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:40 pm
Learn Game Management.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:41 pm
Buffalo, Denver, Detroit…STFU Coach and FINISH A GAME!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
“The players make plays OK”
December 19th, 2011 at 3:42 pm
Who else but Madden could keep the Raider tradition going at GM?
No age dicrimination.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Cut Jermoe Boyd…
Bring Back the Law Firm..
Also, worst case scenario we lose to Kansas… Do we put Pryor out there for some snaps in the Bolts game..
December 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
Defense wins games.Even with a couple of the bone headed plays called on offense, if we even had an average defense we would have won the game and the previous games of Buffalo, Denver ect…..
December 19th, 2011 at 3:47 pm
“Hello GAURD NUMBER 81
Raiders found a hundred ways to choke”
–Pardon the interruption
Agreed…1000%
December 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Raidertalk Says:
Who else but Madden could keep the Raider tradition going at GM?
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That’s a sentimental pick, not a rational one. The NFL is a business. Need to find an NFL version of Billy Beane or Jon Daniels for this club.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:51 pm
– Jackson isn’t taking any time going over the permutations of how the Raiders could still be in the playoffs, taking more of a “let’s win ‘em both and see where we stand” philosophy. The Raiders could also finish last in terms of seeding with two losses _ having already lost once to Kansas City _ but he considered that possibility to negative to dwell upon.
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Thanks for raising that last, obnoxious point Jerry.
December 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Here’s a question to break up the monotony of the fire Hue Jackson convo… Why wasn’t Suh flagged for taking his helmet off on the field after he blocked the kick? Shouldn’t that have been a penalty resulting in an untimed down for the Raiders?
December 19th, 2011 at 3:54 pm
lol…mcfadden possible next week…dont do the raiders any favors dmc….lol gotta give it to hue he cracks me up at times
December 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
So true lets find a way to get everyone involved in this loss!
Carson take a sack in the last seconds. Condo find a way to mess up the snap in the final FG! DHB hold the ball like a loaf of bread AND drop the field position pass. Defense do not gaurd Megatron! Give them field position on the excessive celebration!
Coach do not I repeat DO NOT call a runinng play before the 2min warning and 3 YRDS to go! Defensive Coordinator your good!
December 19th, 2011 at 3:56 pm
Whatever. Get me a sound coach. If the raiders cleaned up the penalties and simply took the points, they would win these gms. Too much slop period.
New GM and let him pick the head coach.
Too much unacceptable games, the miami and green bay effort, the blown ops in detroit, offense shutting it down late in games, the denver debacle, the buffalo b.s and narrow victories to a pedersonless vikings, underwhelming cleveland team, the phantom fumble in denver, and a 27-0 blowout at home to KC.
I’ve seen this brand of shhHh before.
Especially with a lot of teams fighting and scratching. Raiders just lay turds.
Time to fix this mess
December 19th, 2011 at 3:57 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:49 pm
Raidertalk Says:
Who else but Madden could keep the Raider tradition going at GM?
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That’s a sentimental pick, not a rational one. The NFL is a business. Need to find an NFL version of Billy Beane or Jon Daniels for this club.
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Texas, Being a Raider fan in general is NOT rational. It can even be self-detructive at times, you know that
December 19th, 2011 at 4:00 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
and a 27-0 blowout at home to KC.
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Not to split hairs, but it was 28-0.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:01 pm
I wish I could see what some of you who want Hue fired predicted for this season. Many of you thought we would be lucky to get to 7 wins this entire season with this schedule and we have 7 wins with 2 to go and some of you want Hue fired please STFU with that.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
Give Hue Jax another chance he brought back the O in Oakland.
He needs to learn game managment though. If he shows he can learn and IF he can have a healthy DMAC and Carson Palmer on the field at the same time, he might be able to do some damage.
Oh yeah IF he can get the Defense to play better(even average).
December 19th, 2011 at 4:03 pm
VittorioTafur And yes, Hue said Darren McFadden is still “day to day”
22 minutes ago
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Aren’t we all?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:08 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
VittorioTafur And yes, Hue said Darren McFadden is still “day to day”
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Would I lie?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:11 pm
on not going for two hue said he was busy talking to def coaches….you have some hue?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
18 year old, I didn’t think this team was super bowl ready because of the POS defense.
Hue went and gambled the house for CP stating that it was about winning now.
Now you all talk about next year and not being ready. BS. You gamble the farm, have a team spiritually quit on you in back to back weeks and take chances, well shhh better work.
Team is still undisciplined too. That’s a direct reflection of the head coach.
The raiders need a gm. A gm worth his salt aint comin here if saddled with a coach he doesn’t like. If hue stays that means a bum GM and no genuine improvement to roster. The raiders can realistically pursue any coach on the market. Let’s get us someone with a track record of putting sound teams on the field. And bring back that special teams coach from a couple yeara back. Return gm and coverage has been junk since
December 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Autopalm77 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:13 pm
Schizophrenia prevails….Where are all the hang Khalif Barnes haters today….My hands are too soar from using an imaginary picture of mistyeyes taped to a concrete wall and slamming it all day or I would be calling more of you out….
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Where are all the Code black people? No use in calling fans out, calling Warren Sapp out, or anybody else, other than the Raiders.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Best joke heard today “If Cable was still HC, he would’ve punched Bresnahan in the nose already”
December 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
i wonder if reece is faster than bush?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
Kc beat gb and gb killed us . O schitt and we play at arrow head. When Kc beat the hell out of us when we were hurt I circled this game as a pay back game. We still don’t have dmac, Ford, or Jones but this isn’t Palmer getting thrown in to the fire. He looks like he is clicking with Wes now and Bush usually rips then a new agile against them. It’s up to the play caller and defence to win this one.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:17 pm
We’ll have to wait until Feb to interview McKenzie.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Its like when your playing Madden all drunk and your up 13 on your friend with 7minutes to go, so you decide to pass it on 4th and 1 and end up losing by 1.
Cough, cough.
Hue’s brain is messed up from the nail polish fumes
December 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
A GM is more important than the coach right now. Bloated contracts litter the roster, we are devoid of draft picks when there are so many holes.
Just get on with it. If the new GM likes Hue, then so be it
The level of effort in the miami and green bay gm soured me on hue. Then the complete breakdown yesterday sealed it
We can get another coordinator anyway
December 19th, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Hey 18…I for one thought we would finish 8-8 with the schedule…But make no mistake that even if we finish 9-7, Its a huge letdown when just 3 games ago we were 7-4 and in first place. Quite frankly, its looking like a 7-9 season and possible last place being that KC stepped up their play big time yesterday as well as SD. One step back after Cables 8-8 season IMO equals BU-BYE. I will grant the notion that 8-8 should buy one more year..But i honestly feel like Hue is outcoached.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
The raiders need a gm. A gm worth his salt aint comin here if saddled with a coach he doesn’t like. If hue stays that means a bum GM and no genuine improvement to roster. The raiders can realistically pursue any coach on the market. Let’s get us someone with a track record of putting sound teams on the field. And bring back that special teams coach from a couple yeara back. Return gm and coverage has been junk since
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Sounds like you are looking for rethreads. I think Washington would like to disagree with you and Shanarat. I think Hue is the best man for the job, but overwhelmed with his duties. GM, Head Coach, and other responsibilities are difficult. I think any GM would love to come here. The fan base and the talent is exceptional. Unfortunately, and has been well documented, Al never put much stock in coaching. Hue does not have ANYONE on staff that he picked. Let Hue pick his Staff and let’s give it another year. I say we “ONLY” go on a mutiny if he retains Bresnahan. I think our Defensive Scheme was very VANILLA and over-matched. We get a Jack Del rio or someone who knows how to build a great defense and this team is easily playoff bound, with the seam players.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:21 pm
All the San Diego radio stations are calling us the faiders…What the choker fans don’t realize is that they are 7-7 and need help from the faiders….Plz can we Plz win out to shut them up….It is hard being a raider fan in so-cal…
December 19th, 2011 at 4:25 pm
No huff no cj hurt our secondary, I wonder how chekwa would be looking like right about now. When is dmacs contact up?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
But i honestly feel like Hue is outcoached.
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How many games have the Raiders been behind or the offense struggle? I agree, they get outcoached in the second half of every game, but he needs to get more defensive minded. He needs to go over the plan with a proven DC. Keeping Bresnahan is career suicide right now and he knows that. Hue is a good coach and his experience shows it. Let him pick his staff and then think about letting him go. Making mistakes is part of learning. No coach becomes a sensation overnight, its luck and good players.
Bellichick was a garbage coach until he got Brady. If Brady was not in NE, we would be calling Bellichick a re-thread, instead we call him genius.. Cleveland is still asking how come he wasn’t a genius when he coached the browns? Takes time, that’s why..
December 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
One step back after Cables 8-8 season IMO equals BU-BYE. I will grant the notion that 8-8 should buy one more year..But i honestly feel like Hue is outcoached.
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Show me one instance in NFL history where a rookie HC was fired after 1 season. The closest you will ever find is Mike Shanahan and Lane Kiffin at 20 games each, and most people would agree that Shanahan shouldn’t have been fired. Kiffin was terminated more for speaking out against the org than for his record. The guy was a weasel, and proved that at Tennessee as well.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:13 pm
The raiders need a gm. A gm worth his salt aint comin here if saddled with a coach he doesn’t like. If hue stays that means a bum GM and no genuine improvement to roster. The raiders can realistically pursue any coach on the market. Let’s get us someone with a track record of putting sound teams on the field. And bring back that special teams coach from a couple yeara back. Return gm and coverage has been junk since
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Does anyone think the Raiders should hire a GM that doesn’t have the authority to fire Hue immediately?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
That Romeo Crennel Defense was legit agianst Packers.
SO was Orton and the time he had inthe pocket.
@KC hard place to play.
Tough game.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:27 pm
bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:53 pm
Here’s a question to break up the monotony of the fire Hue Jackson convo… Why wasn’t Suh flagged for taking his helmet off on the field after he blocked the kick? Shouldn’t that have been a penalty resulting in an untimed down for the Raiders?
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Game can’t end on a defensive penalty. But the zebras hate us. Hate us more than the lions it seems.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Gtown1_sj Says:
Let Hue pick his Staff and let’s give it another year.
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Why hire a GM if you’re just going to turn over the coach hiring decision to Hue?
December 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
You have to keep Hue. If we had an avrage defense he wouldn’t of had to make such desperation calls.
and the team would be 11-5
December 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Does anyone think the Raiders should hire a GM that doesn’t have the authority to fire Hue immediately?
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Does anyone think the Raiders should hire a GM that would make (very Al Davis like) rash decisions and fire a rookie HC after one season, without taking in to account the circumstances of the season? No GM worth his salt is going to come in and fire the entire coaching staff. Thats just stupid ignorant fan talk and not reality.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
You have to keep Hue. If we had an avrage defense he wouldn’t of had to make such desperation calls.
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Think this is key.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Bcz24 Says:
Show me one instance in NFL history where a rookie HC was fired after 1 season.
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I already answered you on this one the other day. Show me one instance in NFL history where the obstructionist owner died during the rookie HC’s season, paving the way to get legitimate, proven coaching on the team.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
You have to keep Hue. If we had an avrage defense he wouldn’t of had to make such desperation calls.
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A scoreless game in the first quarter is not a sign of desperation. It’s a sign of incompetence.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Bcz24 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
Does anyone think the Raiders should hire a GM that doesn’t have the authority to fire Hue immediately?
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Does anyone think the Raiders should hire a GM that would make (very Al Davis like) rash decisions and fire a rookie HC after one season, without taking in to account the circumstances of the season? No GM worth his salt is going to come in and fire the entire coaching staff. Thats just stupid ignorant fan talk and not reality.
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In know way was I suggesting that Hue should fired. I was merely pointing out that if the GM does not have the authority to fire Hue it is business as usual for the Raiders. I personally feel that there are many GM prospects who will be chomping at the bit to have the opportunity to work with Hue and this roster.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
I think we are done winning for the year. Book it!
*Now I just hope I wrong!
December 19th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
@ LAtotheBay
Thanks.
His playcalling is linked to the defenses woes.
All Im going to say is that when one side of the ball is completely unreliable it has a big ingluence on the offensive decisions/play calls/challenges/clock etc..
If you know your offense has to win it for you, because your defense can’t … its hard in the NFL.
Not HUe’s fault. Bres was Al Davis hire. He will bringin Jack Del Rio at DC and jack would be happy to do so, he a USC guy and would feel right at home. and those players on D could be sculpted nicely into schemes by him.
and getting back Hiram Eugene and Matt Sahunghessy wouldnt hurt
December 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
49,
yezzir!
Couple of key Free Agents would be nice too.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
The Raiders, 7-4, in control of their own destiny, go out and lose 3 in a row.
It’s like they ran from the playoff’s.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
In know way was I suggesting that Hue should fired. I was merely pointing out that if the GM does not have the authority to fire Hue it is business as usual for the Raiders. I personally feel that there are many GM prospects who will be chomping at the bit to have the opportunity to work with Hue and this roster.
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I’m sure whoever the new GM is WILL have the authority to fire Hue if he sees fit, but I would be shocked if he fired him before next season. Tom Cable went 4-8, 5-11, and 8-8 and MANY people in here thought it was a bad decision to let him go, but they want to can Hue for 7-9. Like I said it is just ignorant fans speaking out their as$.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Has Chuck B. Been given his bus ticket, and box lunch yet?..
December 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:41 pm
The Raiders, 7-4, in control of their own destiny, go out and lose 3 in a row.
It’s like they ran from the playoff’s.
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Or they are not complete enough this year to win in December.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Has Chuck B. Been given his bus ticket, and box lunch yet?..
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Wouldn’t even give him that.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
It’s like they ran from the playoff’s.
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Or they are not complete enough this year to win in December.
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Or injured.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:44 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
909RaiderLifer Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:42 pm
Has Chuck B. Been given his bus ticket, and box lunch yet?..
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Wouldn’t even give him that.
How bout a free U Haul one way rental/
December 19th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
57, that’s a deal.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
On the first Megatron TD. There was NO reason T. Branch had to give up that much inside position on Megatron. Megatron faked the outside position towards Mitchell that is when Branch should have squeeze the Megatron into a narrow angle. I know Megatron is fast but so is Branch and megatron had to run back toward Branch. Branch did not have to give up his position so easy!! Mitchell was not even close in the coverage for back support. In don’t think he was fast enough to cover both sides so that is why it is so crucial Branch can not let Megatron cross back his way after he faked towards Mitchell.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
Why hire a GM if you’re just going to turn over the coach hiring decision to Hue?
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Because this is the way the NORMAL NFL works? Not sure if you know this, but all coaches get to pick thier staff. That’s how it normally works. The GM has the final say of course in who gets hired after doing background checks, interviews and then discussing contracts. The GM’s job is not to get supporting coaches, like AL did. Those days are passe (pas-say), and AL and Jerry Jones are the only know owners who does that.
People who want Hue to go obviously don’t understand how much matters he dealt with on a day to day basis. As a rookie coach he had to take over the franchise (literally) from the owner. He had to deal with team issues, personnel issues, and football issues. As a head coach, and a rookie at that, he did not have the structure in place to support him. He has done a tremendous job in getting us to where we are. Hindsight is 20/20, but I think he supported Bresnahan, WAYYYYYY too much and it has cost him. Yes, the CP trade was a disaster, but had he come in lights out, we would not be complaining. CP played lights out yesterday and we lost. WHY? because the DC is a College DC at best. He is not fitted for the NFL. Never has been. Hopefully I have explained what a GM does and why Hue should get a chance to be the coach and the not the whole front office and the head coach.
The radio said it best. Hue was the head coach, GM, and PR guy. He had to wear too many hats and it has cost him in game time preparation dearly.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
2romes,
I’d have to look at it again, but I remember watching it live like Mitchell was just glued to the turf and didn’t start moving until Johnson came running past him.
Terrible.
Mitchell should be used to shut down TEs and help in run support ONLY.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:47 pm
Obviously…
December 19th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
Yes, the CP trade was a disaster, but had he come in lights out, we would not be complaining.
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Good post, but this part — ?????
December 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
the first steps for any safety in deep coverage is back, both boyd and mitchell took two steps forward and megatron ran right by them…
December 19th, 2011 at 4:49 pm
I already answered you on this one the other day. Show me one instance in NFL history where the obstructionist owner died during the rookie HC’s season, paving the way to get legitimate, proven coaching on the team.
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Agreed. Let the man get someone on his staff he can depend on. I suppose he did not have time to make a rational move on his DC, but I think he let Bresnahan falter so he has justification to fire him. Lets hope its not done on an overhead projector…
December 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
GM will come in and evaluate everything. Talk to Hue, decide whether Hue stays (I think he will and should). Then they will determine what to do about defense and the direction they want the franchise to go.
If, with GM support, Hue doesn’t get it done next year, his contract is non-renewed.
Almost certain this is how it will go down, especially if we battle through the last two.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:50 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:37 pm
49,
yezzir!
Couple of key Free Agents would be nice too.
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According to Charlie Casserly more than 25% of all NFL players will be unrestricted free agents at seasons end, and they owners were told that the salary cap will only go up marginally in the offseason, so most teams will have very little money for FAs. That means there will be a BUNCH of quality players getting signed for far less than they are worth. It will be a good year for the teams, and bad year for FAs.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Yes, the CP trade was a disaster, but had he come in lights out, we would not be complaining.
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Just meaning, if he played like a Manning or Brady, would everyone be complaining about what was given up to get him instead of saying we would be in the same boat with Boller or Pryor and still have draft picks..
December 19th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
raidertalk Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 3:55 pm
So true lets find a way to get everyone involved in this loss!
Carson take a sack in the last seconds. Condo find a way to mess up the snap in the final FG!
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That doesn’t appear to be true since Sebass said he made a good kick and couldn’t kick it any better.
It was just a good block by Suh.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
That means there will be a BUNCH of quality players getting signed for far less than they are worth. It will be a good year for the teams, and bad year for FAs.
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Hopefully a good year for the Raiders.
Get a guy who thinks he can salvage McClain. if a sound defensive mind says can’t be done, make him a(n expensive) backup or cut/trade him.
Sign a Beastly ILB or two. Get another guy to rush the passer.
Get a beastly interior lineman and a solid RT.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Palmer trade was to save the season THIS YEAR. Failure.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Just meaning, if he played like a Manning or Brady, would everyone be complaining about what was given up to get him instead of saying we would be in the same boat with Boller or Pryor and still have draft picks..
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Gotcha.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
KK, you’re fooling yourself if you believe *just* that.
Palmer was brought here to be franchise QB.
Hue saw a window to get HIS guy. He figured he would get us to playoffs or at least finish well enough to earn another year.
December 19th, 2011 at 4:57 pm
PGutierrezCSN OK, so…@RAIDERS are completely eliminated from playoff chase this weekend if they lose at #Chiefs AND either #Bengals OR #NYJets win
15 minutes ago
December 19th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
You have to keep Hue. If we had an avrage defense he wouldn’t of had to make such desperation calls.
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What desperation calls?!
He wasn’t desperate. He’s fine with the calls.
In fact the first lousy call-going for it on 4th at the end of the first long drive and ending up with no points-was the Raider first possession.
How can you be desperate at the beginning of the game?
He brags about playing on the edge.
Hue said himself after the game that he was fine with not going for the two and fine with going for it on 4th. He seemed happy he made the calls.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:01 pm
Bcz24 Says:
Like I said it is just ignorant fans speaking out their as$.
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If you’re going to call others ignorant because they think Hue is not fit to be head coach, then you have to be on the hook for thinking he is a good head coach. Agreed? So if he gets another season to prove himself, we can revisit a year later. And you will take credit either way.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:02 pm
PGutierrezCSN OK, so…@RAIDERS are completely eliminated from playoff chase this weekend if they lose at #Chiefs AND either #Bengals OR #NYJets win
15 minutes ago
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I don’t believe that’s accurate. The Broncos could win and we would still have a shot at division if we do the same.
I think that scenario is wild card only.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:55 pm
KK, you’re fooling yourself if you believe *just* that.
Palmer was brought here to be franchise QB.
Hue saw a window to get HIS guy. He figured he would get us to playoffs or at least finish well enough to earn another year.
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Well, no playoffs. Franchise QB? Don’t know about that either.
I do know, no 1st round draft pick next year, no 2nd round draft pick the year after.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
Palmer was brought here to be franchise QB.
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32 year olds should not be freshly minted franchise QBs. I know you’re right – he was brought here as such. But it’s one more piece of ammo in my Hue-has-no-clue clip. LOL
December 19th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Texas,
I think if we retain Hue, we need a friendly bet.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
Hue saw a window to get HIS guy. He figured he would get us to playoffs or at least finish well enough to earn another year.
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I don’t think the palmer trade was a bad one. I think people put way too much in an unproven draft player, esp. at the QB position. I was a huge Tony Mandarich, Rickey Dudley, Chris Zorich, Curtis Enis, Eric Bienenmy, etc.. to make it big in the NFL only to be nobody’s in the NFL. To say we threw away a good pick is saying you know the future.
Hue did abandon the run too quickly. It showed yesterday when we needed good positive yards, he called zone runs, trap blocks, and got Bush going. Then he got arrogant and went for a pass on 3d and 3 when we could see Detroit was gassed and looked defeated. I think they couldn’t believe thier luck when the pass went long because they were beaten down. Bush was crushing them.
So I agree 100% that Hue was relying too heavily on Palmer and should’ve been more patient with the running attack and wearing down defenses.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Palmer trade was to save the season THIS YEAR. Failure.
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So it is your belief that Palmer cannot win as a Raider, now or in the future.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:04 pm
December 19th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
A GM is more important than the coach right now. Bloated contracts litter the roster, we are devoid of draft picks when there are so many holes.
Just get on with it. If the new GM likes Hue, then so be it
The level of effort in the miami and green bay gm soured me on hue. Then the complete breakdown yesterday sealed it
We can get another coordinator anyway
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I hear you talking.
Hue’s play calling sucked.
Instead of bragging about living on the edge and telling the world he’s happy with the calls the guy should man up and just say what the world knows and that’s that he made some crappy calls.
We need a strong GM immediately who has the ability to fire coaches.
As to firing Hue, I’m in two minds because I’m sick and tired of the way Al kept firing coaches.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:05 pm
Well, no playoffs. Franchise QB? Don’t know about that either.
I do know, no 1st round draft pick next year, no 2nd round draft pick the year after.
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That’s exactly why trade is two fold.
Save the season (think of how much worse it would be now) and get a guy for the future.
You don’t spend that much and not use what you got out of it.
Nor should we.
Carson has two throws he wants back. Maybe just one being that Moore got mugged after 5 yards.
Not many QBs can say that at the end of the game.
Carson played well enough to win.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
I’m out, Nation.
Loss Monday sucks.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:06 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
I think if we retain Hue, we need a friendly bet.
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Deal. Loser goes with “IwaswrongaboutHue” screen name throughout 2013?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
32 year olds should not be freshly minted franchise QBs. I know you’re right – he was brought here as such. But it’s one more piece of ammo in my Hue-has-no-clue clip. LOL
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I agree, but how many have it figured out before they turn 32? Sometimes its being in the right place at the right time. Palmer is at his best right now and we are playing for a solid 2 years of football and tutoring Pryor, who could come in and start after Palmer retires.
Most young QB’s sat behind a good veteran and learned a lot, find me a SB winning young Qb who did not learn from a good veteran?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:07 pm
71.KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Palmer trade was to save the season THIS YEAR. Failure.
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Palmer had no pre-season and played in his first game just three days after he signed the contract.
That was another lousy call by Jackson.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Palmer trade was to save the season THIS YEAR. Failure.
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So it is your belief that Palmer cannot win as a Raider, now or in the future.
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I’m of the mind that Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Most young QB’s sat behind a good veteran and learned a lot, find me a SB winning young Qb who did not learn from a good veteran?
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Big Ben?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:10 pm
So if he gets another season to prove himself, we can revisit a year later. And you will take credit either way.
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No, if he gets another year, with a REAL defense and the team takes another step back, I will have seen enough to agree a change needs to be made. You just dont seem to get it man, coaches don’t just come in and win super bowls their rookie years, our team is CLEARLY not as talented as everyone claims they are, sure the guys at the top are but there is a DRASTIC drop off in ability from starter to back up at most positions. Whatever man, there is nothing I could say that would change your mind. You hate Hue Jackson and want him gone. I like him and think he can be a great coach given the time. Call it a stalemate.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Like I’ve said before. Palmer’s a good pocket passer, but he takes too many sacks, throws too many interceptions, and can’t make any plays with his legs.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
@86
some people in here need”
IwaswrongaboutRussell
IwaswrongaboutDHB
IwaswrongaboutMcClain
lol
start assigning them.
we all know who they are
December 19th, 2011 at 5:12 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
The Palmer trade was to save the season THIS YEAR. Failure.
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So it is your belief that Palmer cannot win as a Raider, now or in the future.
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I’m of the mind that Palmer’s been nothing special since 2006.
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I personally think that terms like franchise and elite are meaningless when referring to Palmer. Can he win with a supporting cast around him or not. Only time will tell.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Like I’ve said before. Palmer’s a good pocket passer, but he takes too many sacks, throws too many interceptions, and can’t make any plays with his legs.
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yeah, he’s white. LoL
He played my High School when he was at Santa Margarita HS in SoCal. He was a dual threat guy, he was 6′5 and ran often, stiff arming people lol.
Crazy.
I played against his lil brother, who also wa son the bengals.
I sacked him!
Claim to fame
December 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
@bcz24
Who in your OPINION (his opinion) needs to go on the defense? Or is mostly scheme?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:13 pm
@bcz24
Who in your OPINION (his opinion) needs to go on the defense? Or is mostly scheme?
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My opinion is that A. We need a better DC, Bres is just simply outcoached EVERY week, even when we win. B. I wouldn’t single out any player that needs to go, but I believe we need better depth at almost every defensive position. Jerome Boyd should NEVER set foot on an NFL field during a regular season game, unless its on special teams. Branch and Huff (when 100% healthy) are fringe pro-bowlers, and with better coaching could be all pros. Routt is fine, although penalized far too often, CJ and Lito are adequate but are getting up there in years, DVD and Chekwa showed promise but they both need to get their bodies to an NFL level or they will never make it. Wimbley Romac and Curry can, with good coaching develop into a solid LB core, but we literally have ZERO NFL calibur depth here. I would say at LEAST 2 LBs need to be picked up in FA. The DLine can be dominant, but is too inconsistant (sometimes even called lazy, hard to argue). The DLine is where we have decent depth, but we could still do better. Kelly and Seymour aren’t going to get ANY better, and I agree with many people who say one of them should be traded, if they have any value left.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
I was at a corporate x-mas party Friday Nite on the bay, one of those party boats.
Before dinner the CEO give a power-point presentation about the companies diversified business and staff.
Next slide is a very large picture of Al Davis, as his inspiration, and pointed at me, Lol. I almost spit my drink.
(Tom Flores, Art Shell, Amy Trask. Didn’t care what color, just win baby!)
December 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
It’s almost 4:30… WHY is Bresnahan still employed?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Big Ben?
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Yes, he did do it at a young age, but also he had a great supporting cast and remember he was behind Tommy Maddox and Charlie Batch when he was drafted. Injuries forced him to start. Also, he was in the right place at the right time. He didn’t have to do much, his defense allowed him to make mistakes. He had a great line and a HOF running back in Bettis. So it wasn’t like he was lights out. If he was Eli Manning and Phillip Rivers wouldn’t have been selected before him. I’m saying, the situation dictates the outcome sometimes and the fact that we picked Gallery instead of Larry Fitzgerald shows its not a forgone conclusion that the pick would neccessarily be a good one.
Or did JaMarcus not prove that already??
December 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Thats it for me fellas. Gonna go watch Contagion and detox from football for a few.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Oh… Never mind… The plays were there to be made…
Got it.
What a bunch of weak crap.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
92.KoolKell Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:11 pm
Like I’ve said before. Palmer’s a good pocket passer, but he takes too many sacks, throws too many interceptions, and can’t make any plays with his legs.
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That’s actually pretty close to the truth.
Palmer did have six seconds to throw on that one sack in this game.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
It’s almost 4:30… WHY is Bresnahan still employed?
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I’ve been crying for his firing since March 7, 2011 http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Bresnahan-Named-Raiders-Defensive-Coordinator/56f04156-d1fe-4868-b6f4-715bdb648005
December 19th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
I’m out.
I have to go close Kobe’s divorce settlemtns to his wife.
Dueces
December 19th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
The DLine is where we have decent depth, but we could still do better. Kelly and Seymour aren’t going to get ANY better, and I agree with many people who say one of them should be traded, if they have any value left.
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I think they both should go. I watch them on a consistent basis and when double-teamed, they just stand around and watch. Its pathetic. Its like, I have 2 guys on me, so I’ll let the next guy go get them.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:28 pm
Kell, your right about calling out the players…Without a doubt…My point of the post was at least be consistent with the criticism…Go to last weeks posts regarding Barnes and not one word this week…At least take the entire body of work before condemning someone to the gallows…..Very easy to criticize sitting on the sidelines with perfect 20/20 hindsight vision…..
December 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
98….Thanks for sharing that post, Kell, they are color blind in the Navy…..too…..
December 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Maddens’ too old, but some of you wish Davis were still here? How old was he?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
The major decision facing Mark Davis, Amy
Trask, and those advising them in the search for a GM (Madden, Lombardi)is this: Do we hire a GM to whom we turn over the decision of whether to keep or fire Hue Jackso, or do we tell a prospective GM he cannot fire(should he wish to) Hue until his contract is up, that is, another year.
Or, do we hire a GM and not give him the power to hire/fire a head coach?
If you don’t give enough power to a GM from the get-go, you are already undermining his influence and making the head coach feel as if he’s still the guy in charge of the franchise and the way it’s headed.
You can be sure Hue will not be too happy with a powerful GM because it would undercut the influence he has had since Al passed.
Another problem for everyone: if McFadden doesn’t get back on the field this year, they haven’t the foggiest notion of just how wellor poorly that foot has healed and can perform under game conditions. looks to me as if we’ll not know until training camp and actual pre-season games whether that foot will be fine or not, leaving us ill-positioned to plan for what our offensive needs really are.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
Hue, I’m still too pizzed at your performance yesterday
!!!! And tomorrow isn’t lookin good either!!!@! F head!
December 19th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
61.LA to TheBay Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 4:46 pm
2romes,
I’d have to look at it again, but I remember watching it live like Mitchell was just glued to the turf and didn’t start moving until Johnson came running past him.
Terrible.
Mitchell should be used to shut down TEs and help in run support ONLY.
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Yes, Branch stopped running as fast as he was an Megatron cross him with ease after faking toward Mitchell. If T.Branch kept running as hard as he was he could have placed a different angle on Megatron and he may not have been able to get to that ball. Yes, Mitchell and boyd seem to spell big trouble in the defensive passing game. Both seem to play flat footed
December 19th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
I’d like Jeff Fisher to apply for the
GM position. I’d love to see him as head coach if not GM.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Autopalm77 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
98….Thanks for sharing that post, Kell, they are color blind in the Navy…..too…..
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Yep.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Sometimes we forget that the Raiders don’t have access to a lot of really great players. We don’t have the revenue stream that can land great free agents. To do that, you need a new stadium with lots of seats and seats the franchise can fill.
See New England Patriots.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
So funny…Derek Jeter gift baskets for one night stands!
http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/jeter_booty_hauls_smU8lFebpsBGJXpyHoMKSN
December 19th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
**While acknowledging there are always calls and plays you’d like to have back after a one-point loss, the only thing Jackson sounded as if he regretted was not going for two points following the touchdown that put the Raiders up 26-14 with 7:47 left.**
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Good. Would be better if he acknowledged he effed up, but at least he realizes he made a mistake. At least he’s not saying ‘he’d do it again’ like he did after royally effing up by not kicking the FG against the Browns.
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**Same goes for the 48-yard reception by Calvin Johnson against the Raiders’ Cover 2 defense with Rolando McClain and Jerome Boyd in coverage. The ball was up there, waiting to be intercepted.**
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This is absolute crap. A poor pass by Stafford is absolutely not a justification for having Boyd and McClain covering CJ deep over the middle in that situation. CJ was WIDE open. The coverage and scheme both sucked. Actually would have benefited the Raids if the pass hit him in stride and the Lions scored immediately.
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**As for the fourth-and-1 incompletion to Denarius Moore in the end zone and the third-and-3 incompletion to Chaz Schilens in the fourth quarter, Jackson felt those plays were there to be made.**
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Yes, they were there to be made. But what must be acknowledged is that they were not EASY conversions and they were NOT made.
Not like this is the first time HJAX has made the SAME mistake. SAME thing happened in Houston when JC missed. SAME thing happened against the Jets on the end zone throw to DHB. Those are NOT easy plays to complete when the PARAMOUNT consideration is to get a completion – hopefully for a first down – but also to keep clock moving.
The one time HJAX went for a relatively safe and easy completion in the same sort of circumstance, was to DHB in Denver, and it iced the game.
I don’t think anyone has a problem with being aggressive – but dammit, BE SMART ABOUT IT.
Get your head out of your sphincter, Hue.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
If Mark hires a GM, Hue’s gone. Maybe not right away, but he will be. Does Amy Trask really want a GM? Because she may be gone, too. No GM worth a damn is going to tolerate her meddling. If it’s for business reasons, that’s fine. But Amy starts getting all Al-nostalgic and telling him to draft some track star, her ass is gone.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
REPOST
Back from the game, digested what I saw and have finally thawed out – it was really cold out there today.
In this posting I think I’ll focus on who failed from my perspective. First of all, WE lost so that was the biggest overall failure. There were subsets of failures that contributed to the end result. They included, not in any particular level of importance:
• HuJack calling a TD pass play on the 14 on 4th & 1. Just get the first down easily or kick the FG. Quit gambling when it’s not necessary. That was 3 or 7 lost points.
• Bresnahan playing a modified 3-4 defense and NOT doubling Megatron on EVERY play. The 3-4 structure was the right idea especially since they had no run game whatsoever.
• Schillins for running at least 3 patterns short of the first down marker on third down plays.
• D-WOW for dropping a couple of receptions and zigging-in when he should have run an out pattern on a key third down play.
• Palmer missing a wide open D-wow on two potential scoring plays – one n the end zone and the other on about their 20 yard line.
• DHB fumbling after a long reception. But, he’s forgiven in my book because he otherwise had a best effort day receiving. And yes, he has turned out to be a better choice than Crabtree. Good pick Al.
• Houshmanzadha caught his 2nd & 3rd receptions for the year today! Both were short of the first down marker. Adios Housh.
• HuJack not going for a two point conversion after recovering the fumble for a TD. If he had gone for it, we minimally would have had a tie at the end. Another didn’t think it through Hue. 1 key point lost – possibly, the 28th point!
• Stanford Routt for getting so many pass interference calls. In his defense, he was covering the best receiver on the field, often one on one. Overall, I think he did an admiral job.
• Rolando McWhiffer while recording one great sack, also whiffed on some key tackles.
• Bresnahan struck again on a 4th & 2 near our goal line and pulls Seymour & Kelly, our middle of the line heavyweights and goes with Moss & Houston I believe. Stafford then runs it up the middle for a first down. Just a dumb decision IMO.
• MBush hasn’t really done anything exceptional for the last 3 weeks. Today he was VERY ordinary & unimpressive.
• HuJack did NOT call Reece’s number often enough. He had the hot hand today but was not used enough.
• For whatever reason, HuJack refuses to play runners other MBush. This is inexcusable especially when MBush is not holding a hot hand. MBush had a number of 1 yd. and 0 yard runs. He’s not really a starter in my book.
• While Palmer’s numbers were good, his play simply did not look all that dominant. He didn’t look like an elite franchise QB today.
• For the most part, the O-line played adequately. They could have been more dominant but the guys they were playing against were pretty good too.
• Lechler was right on all day. He’s simply the greatest punter in the NFL today.
• SeaBass is GOLD. The absolute best possible finish would have been him making the 65 yd. FG with 3 seconds left. It would have been a new NFL record and as important, a necessary win for the team.
UNFORTUNATELY, IT WAS NOT TO BE.
So who do I point the fickle finger of fate at for today’s fiasco? I think I have to award the digit to HuJack this week. He could have done a lot of things differently that WOULD have made a difference. This game was very winnable. It’s one thing to be a gambler, but it’s a different thing when you are betting with someone else’s money. I like Hue and DO want him back. I hope he has finally learned from his mistakes and makes the necessary changes for next year. Here’s what I suggest for next year Hue:
* Get a GM on board
* Fire Bresnahan and get a decent DC
* Take a serious look at the following Asst. coaches for possible replacement:
– Sanjay Lai – WR
– Brad Roll – Strengh & Conditioning
– Greg Biekert – LB
– John Fassel – STC
* Switch to a 3-4 defensive structure
* Acquire/draft a starting NT, LB, RT, BU-RB, tall WR
* Move Taiwan Jones from RB to slot WR – he can’t pass block & could easily be our Wes Welker if he can catch.
* Do whatever you can to $ incent Jason Campbell to remain as our BU-QB. Boller is bush league and having a good BU-QB is key as we’ve seen many times this year.
* Let MBush go – He’s NOT what we thought he was and he can’t/won’t pass block
* Trade Schilins & Murphy. Release Houshmanznanda
* Move Wiz to center. Use Heyer @ LG & Barksdale to RG or RT. Get BCampbell up to snuff or dump him. He should either start on the O-line next year @ RG or RT or be gone.
* Let Al Saunders call the plays next year. Hue needs to focus more on micro-managing coaches and players. Besides, I think Saunders is a wiser gambler.
I realize that statistically we could possibly still make the playoffs. Realistically, we are now in the next year’s planning cycle.
I’ve already prepaid my season tickets for next year and will get to make a personalized visit to next year’s training camp in Napa (that’s a nice perk). Maybe I’ll print out this post & give it to Hue at camp next year. Maybe he might even consider some of this WISE ADVICE.
HAPPY HOLIDAYS AND BEST WISHES TO ALL THE RAIDER NATION FOR NEXT YEAR.
Remember, this year was practice. Next year is the real deal. Playoffs are NOT the goal. A SUPERBOWL VICTORY IS!
December 19th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Dutch77, where he screwed up was giving a lady seconds, forgot her from the last time, and gave her the same basket! She talked, lmao! Clueless idiot!
December 19th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Luvmarvhub Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Sometimes we forget that the Raiders don’t have access to a lot of really great players.
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They never had access to great Coaches.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
The world knows the game was lost yesterday when the Lions pulled off that bomb. And, a high school secondary could have handled that better than ours did. So theres where you start making serious changes. And, really, no changes can be made until FA begins.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:38 pm
If Mark hires a GM, Hue’s gone. Maybe not right away, but he will be. Does Amy Trask really want a GM? Because she may be gone, too. No GM worth a damn is going to tolerate her meddling. If it’s for business reasons, that’s fine. But Amy starts getting all Al-nostalgic and telling him to draft some track star, her ass is gone.
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Sullivan, you are an IDIOT! The GM reports to the President/CEO. Not the other way around. The GM will be the CEO’s subordinate. The CEO is only subordinate to the Chairman of the Board. If Amy tells the GM to schit, his response is how much & what color.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Worst thing about that play: The ball was underthrown! He just turned around, ran back and caught it, while 3 Raiders ran into each other.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:44 pm
So am I wrong that either Barksdale or Campbell would/should have ended up playing RT, but they cannot beat out K. Barnes? Kinda like all the anger at Barry Simms was always playing, b/c the guys they brought in to replace him were much worse?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
JB Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
The GM reports to the President/CEO. Not the other way around. The GM will be the CEO’s subordinate. The CEO is only subordinate to the Chairman of the Board. If Amy tells the GM to schit, his response is how much & what color.
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Sounds like we’re really serious about luring a top notch GM here, aren’t we?
“Hey, we want you to be GM for the Raiders! It’ll be great! Basically, you don’t f’n move until Amy Trask tells you to!!”
There’ll be a line a mile long…
December 19th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Let me reiterate,
No GM worth a damn is stepping foot here if they have to answer to Amy Trask when it comes to football related decisions. Unless that GM’s name is Wiznewski, or Atkinson…
December 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Gtown1_sj Says:
Most young QB’s sat behind a good veteran and learned a lot, find me a SB winning young Qb who did not learn from a good veteran?
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Peyton Manning? Played all games as a rookie.
Eli Manning? Sat a handful of games behind Warner before taking over in his rookie season.
Ben Rapistberger? Sat a handful of games behind Maddux and Batch before taking over in his rookie season.
Drew Brees? Sat a handful of games behind Flutie before taking over in his rookie season.
Super Bowl quarterbacks don’t necessarily need much if any tutelage from a veteran QB.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Safe and joyous Holiday Season to you, JB…..AP77…
December 19th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Hue needs to learn how to use a tight end for something other than blocking. I know Boss has been hurt a bit but I think he’s been way under utilized by Hue and co. TE is a huge weapon. lokk what NE is getting done with theirs.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Opening:
Raiders GM
Salary: competitive
Duties: Whatever Amy Trask tells you to do!
My goodness, you can already here the top notch GMs just tripping over each other to be considered. Parcells is already buying a house in the east bay! lmfao!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 5:51 pm
AN INTERESTING POINT I HEARD YESTERDAY: Supposedly, 25% of the total active players of the league will be UFA next yea. That’s unprecedented. There will be a lot of opportunity to make some key changes. Most of our main UFA’s happened this last years. – good for us. If we can pick up a starting NT and a couple of real LB’ers we can switch successfully to a 3-4 defense. Let’s make sure we get a new GM and the right DC. Hue needs to be more HC and less OC – that’s really Al Saunders job. Let Al Sunders call the plays. Hue should be out there micro-managing asst, coaches and key players.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:53 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Opening:
Raiders GM
Salary: competitive
Duties: Whatever Amy Trask tells you to do!
My goodness, you can already here the top notch GMs just tripping over each other to be considered. Parcells is already buying a house in the east bay! lmfao!!!
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I don’t Amy Trask is any impediment to hiring a solid GM. I think John Madden will be a big plus in hiring a GM.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Can’t wait for the first Al-less off season. No more prioritizes speed and jumping ability. Just football players. Gonna be sweet.
December 19th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
No, Kell, it’s just that JB is declaring that any GM will answer to Amy Trask, even on football related decisions. Well, that ought to attract all of the top notch GM’s, right? lol. I mean, I’m sure Parcells would just leap at the opportunity to come to Oakland and have Amy Trask lead him around by his nose! lmfao!!!!
December 19th, 2011 at 5:58 pm
I’ve always wondered, what does a head coach do if he isn’t heavily involved in playcalling on at least one side of the ball? Just walk around and pat players on the ass?
December 19th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
No, Kell, it’s just that JB is declaring that any GM will answer to Amy Trask, even on football related decisions. Well, that ought to attract all of the top notch GM’s, right? lol. I mean, I’m sure Parcells would just leap at the opportunity to come to Oakland and have Amy Trask lead him around by his nose! lmfao!!!!
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There’s no evidence Amy Trask is dominating football decisions. Just look at what Huejax’s authority has been.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:00 pm
Texas,
It’s on.
What are the stakes?
Playoffs? Set number of wins?
Has to be something objective and undebatable.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I don’t Amy Trask is any impediment to hiring a solid GM. I think John Madden will be a big plus in hiring a GM.
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I think the owner has great trust in Maddens advice.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I read today in the Chronicle, that it was Amy Trask who’s been responsible for this year’s sellouts. Giving away tickets, to ensure sellouts.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:01 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
No, Kell, it’s just that JB is declaring that any GM will answer to Amy Trask, even on football related decisions. Well, that ought to attract all of the top notch GM’s, right? lol. I mean, I’m sure Parcells would just leap at the opportunity to come to Oakland and have Amy Trask lead him around by his nose! lmfao!!!!
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If Hue can make a trade involving a QB that will likely be here for several years and deal away a 1st and 2nd, I think a GM would be good to go on decision making.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
Trolls gonna troll
December 19th, 2011 at 6:03 pm
Sullivan, specifically what bad decisions has Amy Trask made? She’s solely responsible for seeing that the O.co was sold out each game so that it would be televised. Has she refused Hue anything football that he wanted? I think you assume because she wears a skirt she can’t be one of the boys. I believe she is one of the boys and has demonstrated extreme flexibility while having to work with & for Al Davis. Cut her some slack until she actually screws something up. For all we know he may smoke cigars too.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:06 pm
Guys, I’m just responding to JB. Take it to him. He’s the one who said that a GM would say, “how high” when Trask asked him to jump. I don’t know why you guys are responding directly to him. Some of you got Sully on the brain? Lol.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
JB, you’re the one who said that if Amy Trask asks our GM to jump, he says how high. Or something of that nature. Did you not? Now you’re saying Amy Trask would back off? Which is it?
December 19th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
For us ignorant as$$es, speaking for my case, I have been a football and Raiders fan long enough to recognize an incompetent head coach when I see one. And HueSux is definitely a sorry excuse for a head coach. Not worthy now or ever, too much BS and little of everything else. Great in having a team underachieve at crucial moments, a lack of leadership qualities. My guess is that he must give great speeches.
The NFL’s history is full of HueSux, offensive and or defensive coordinators that could never match their successes as coordinators when they took over the entire team. A lot of them have tried to be head coaches with different teams, but failed and still ended up as coordinators.
People here thinking that someone such as Jack del Rio, an established NFL coach, is going to come in here and play second banana to an incompetent and arrogant fool with an inflated ego.
Do you really believe that an established and knowledgeable GM will put up with HueSux BS?
The dolts fans were screaming to get Jeff Fisher, the fins fans are begging for Bill Cowher or Chokey Gruden, and fans here are talking about keeping an overrated offensive coordinator.
Do you think that given a chance, Mr. Davis would have signed Jim Harbaugh rather HueSux?
December 19th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
JB it’s interesting you’re now trying to make Amy sound down to earth and relaxed, after this:
JB Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
The GM reports to the President/CEO. Not the other way around. The GM will be the CEO’s subordinate. The CEO is only subordinate to the Chairman of the Board. If Amy tells the GM to schit, his response is how much & what color.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Why such a quick change of heart, JB? 10 minutes ago Amy was Sgt. Slaughter. Now she’s all hip and easy going. Remember this?
JB Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 5:42 pm
If Amy tells the GM to schit, his response is how much & what color.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
Most young QB’s sat behind a good veteran and learned a lot, find me a SB winning young Qb who did not learn from a good veteran?
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The point of the convo was Palmer is 32. I said he is at a prime age and that no young QB wins SB. All the people you mentioned played for a few years before getting to the SB. They didn’t get drafted and won a SB, so I think its pointless to use Palmer’s age as an argument against the reasoning of getting him.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:14 pm
Big Ben won the SB his rookie year. But he did have the advantage of a very stable organization.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
The dolts fans were screaming to get Jeff Fisher, the fins fans are begging for Bill Cowher or Chokey Gruden, and fans here are talking about keeping an overrated offensive coordinator.
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The coaches of these teams were given multiple chances to prove their unworthiness.The most I’ve ever heard a fan or semi say is one more year for Hue.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
Do you think that given a chance, Mr. Davis would have signed Jim Harbaugh rather HueSux?
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Find me a rookie head coach who “Lost the owner, GM and face of the team”, “lost his starting QB”, “lost his starting RB”, “lost most of the defensive starters”, “lost his starting wide recieving core” and still had the ability to still be in position to be a playoff team?
To say “I have been a football and Raiders fan long enough to recognize an incompetent head coach when I see one” tells me you need to understand more as you watch while being a fan.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:16 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
December 19th, 2011 at 6:07 pm
JB, you’re the one who said that if Amy Trask asks our GM to jump, he says how high. Or something of that nature. Did you not? Now you’re saying Amy Trask would back off? Which is it?
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My initial response was to your assertion that Amy would report to the GM & not the other way around. That comment about the CEO getting the Gm to jump was to emphasize the corporate structure by an extreme example. In reality, thee is nothing to indicate that Amy Trask would be anything other than supportive of efforts by the Gm HC or any other raider employee if were good for the team. Hopefully this clarifies my view on the situation and my comments. She’s been doing the job for 20 years now for what has to have been one of the toughest bosses in the world – Al Davis. If she can succeed under him, she should be good to go for almost everybody else. she’s also reportedly a very bright lady.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:17 pm
Amazing that all 4 teams still have a decent shot at winning this division.
Every teams scenario is at least somewhat believable.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:19 pm
Big Ben won the SB his rookie year. But he did have the advantage of a very stable organization.
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An organization that has been consistently in the playoffs before he got there and after. They have made good personnel decisions and put good players around him, but not to take anything away from Ben, like I said you have to be very lucky and in the right place at the right time.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
You can get lucky and win 1 Super Bowl.
But Super Bowls (plural) aren’t won on luck.
Big Ben is going down as a top 20 all-time QB, and maybe higher if he can string together another solid 5-6 years.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:31 pm
JB, it doesn’t necessarily clarify your view. It’s an entirely different view. One view is that Amy is running the show, and if she asks a GM to “schit”, he’s to respond, “how much, and what color”. The other view is that of Amy allowing the GM to be a GM and call the football shots. You seem to be conflicted as to who Amy Trask is.
December 19th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
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