Jackson surprised by defensive performance
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, December 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Hue Jackson said during training camp that he felt as if his defense had the makings of being an elite unit. With two games left, the reality is that the Raiders defense is among the league’s worst.
Jackson said Tuesday that he is surprised by the fact the Raiders defense has allowed 5 yards per carry, 28 touchdown passes and more than 27 points per game.
“Yeah. It does,” Jackson said, when asked if those stats surprise him. “I’m not going to run from that question. Yes, it does. It’s not what I was expecting. The players know that and the coaches know that. We got two games to get it right and play as well as we can play.”
There isn’t enough time for this defense to go from underachieving to elite. Yet, Jackson said, there’s enough time for the defense to make a difference.
He singled out games against the Houston Texans, Cleveland Browns and Denver Broncos — the regular-season opener — as evidence that this defense has the ability to perform at a high level, if not on a consistent basis.
“Yeah, I do,” Jackson said. “I do. I really do. And I’m not just saying that to say that. We can. Not we can, we have to. If we’re going to win, we have to. Our players understand that. I know the coaches understand that.
“Now, we have to do it. Talking about it and doing it is two different things. The things that have plagued us have been there all year. It’s not like all of a sudden we’ve fixed it.”
CAMPBELL UPDATE
Jackson said Jason Campbell threw the ball about 30 yards in a recent session, which Jackson termed “a huge improvement.”
At the same time, he painted a picture of a quarterback who still has a ways to go before he can play in a game again.
Campbell suffered a broken right collarbone Oct. 16. He has missed the past eight games. Best-case, Campbell is able to return at some point and supplant Kyle Boller as the primary backup.
“I’m sure he’s not just whipping it like you need to throw it just yet,” Jackson said. “But he’s getting closer to that.”
Jackson said throwing the ball 30 yards is one thing, getting back into football shape and staring down oncoming rushers is quite another.
In other words, Campbell likely has played his last game as a Raider. He is a free agent after this season and there’s little, if any, chance of his being asked back.
BRANCH MAKES IMPRESSION
Jackson had no idea what to expect from Tyvon Branch, when he lined up to field a kick against the Detroit Lions on Sunday. In fact, Jackson was surprised to see Branch on the field.
“I looked back there because (Bryan) McCann was hurt and I go, ‘What are we doing?’ ”
That’s when punter Shane Lechler and wide receiver T.J. Houshmandzadeh informed Jackson about Branch’s history as a potent kick returner in college.
Jackson still wasn’t sold on the idea. Neither was Rock Cartwright, who advised Branch to take a touchback rather than risk bringing out the ball from 5 yards deep in the end zone.
“I didn’t know he had that in him,” Jackson said. “Then, everybody told me, ‘Hey, coach, that’s what he used to do.’ I was shocked.”
That’s not all the players told Jackson.
One of the players said to Jackson: “Coach, watch this, because it might be a touchdown,” Jackson said. “I go, ‘What are you talking about? I’m just worried about the guy getting the ball, catching it and making sure we get to the next down with the ball. You guys are talking about touchdown.’ He comes running down the sideline, I go, ‘You got to be kidding me.’ This guy’s electrifying returning the ball.”
Hence, Jackson said Branch will get another shot at returning kicks, perhaps Saturday against the Kansas City Chiefs.
“Oh, man. Oh, man. You better believe I will,” Jackson said. “Wow, was that spectacular. … So, if anybody can help us score a touchdown, I’m all for putting him back there. No doubt.”
Branch said he is eager to show what he can do. His return Sunday went for 76 yards, though it got wiped out by a penalty on Jerome Boyd.
“Whatever Hue asks me to do, I’m going to do it,” Branch said. “It’s just one of those things that, if I think it could make the team better, I’m going to do it.”
MCFADDEN UPDATE
Running back Darren McFadden got in some light jogging under the guidance of a team trainer Tuesday afternoon. Jackson said it’s just the next step in McFadden’s recovery from a midfoot sprain.
“He was moving around, so that’s a good thing,” Jackson said. “We can’t run from that. I told you, I’m not hiding him, that’s for sure. He’s out here running around a little bit, and we’ll see where we are as we continue to move forward.”
Jackson said there is no firm timetable for McFadden’s return. One thing is for certain: Jackson is not going to bring back McFadden too soon and jeopardize his career.
McFadden has missed most of the past seven games — he suffered his injury two carries into a game against the Chiefs on Oct. 23.
“We just want to make sure he’s totally where he needs to be before we put him out there,” Jackson said. “We have to be very careful with that. This guy is very valuable to the organization and to this football team. We don’t want to do anything that’s going to jeopardize his career or his opportunity to play.”
McFadden was not available to the media after practice. He has not spoken with the media since before the day he got injured.
HEYWARD-BEY MAKING GREAT STRIDES
Jackson also predicted great things for third-year wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey before this season started. At that point, you would have had a much easier time finding someone who believed the Raiders defense was on the verge of being elite.
Yet, it’s tough to argue with the astounding leap made by Heyward-Bey after two subpar seasons that were punctuated by dropped passes, games without any throws his way and a lack of meaningful production.
Through 14 games, Heyward-Bey leads the Raiders with 51 receptions for 775 yards, with three touchdowns. Jackson said he saw this coming last season, when Jackson was the offensive coordinator.
“I’ve seen steady progress,” Jackson said. “I told you guys, at some point in time, it was going to just go this way, because the guy works extremely hard. He’s a talented player. … The numbers speak for themselves.”
At the same time, Jackson added, Heyward-Bey still hasn’t arrived. That won’t happen until he makes what Jackson refers to as the “uncommon plays.”
For his part, Heyward-Bey said there wasn’t any breakthrough moment. He has been building to this point. And he isn’t anywhere near reaching his lofty goal.
“There’s a lot of things that I can get better at,” Heyward-Bey said. “Each and every day, I’m trying to get better. That’s why I come to work every day, to try to reach my goal of being the best player in the league. That’s how high the standards are.”
He might not reach that goal, but it’s impressive how far he has come when you take into account his first two seasons.
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December 20th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
We’re not surprised
December 20th, 2011 at 8:00 pm
If Dmac is close,get him up for the Discharger game,let TJones back up Bush this week.And Hue,please get BOSS some plays,NOT in the 4th quarter only.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:07 pm
Time to break out TJones..just hold on to the rock.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
A impact MLB would make a big difference for this defense. Instead we’re stuck with Slow-lando McClain. So much for SEC speed.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:13 pm
Yep, McClain has some soul searching to do this offseason. Time to grow up.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Hue is sounding more modest. Surprise surprise.
Huff not playing cost us the Detroit game since that atrocious player Boyd was our safely. Not that Huff is an elite player or anything but still better than Boyd. Speaking of Boyd how many stiffs like him that belong to UFL and not NFL are on this team? Here are a few:
- Kyle Boller : why is he still here?
- Trevor Scott : Has done zero this year and is a shell of a DE
- Rolando McBozLain: what a joke of MLB. Did you guys see Bowman across the bay?
- Blackwell or whatever his name is the backup MLB. Gotta be kidding me. Is he your #2 MLB?
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December 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
Until the Raiders switch to a 3-4 defense, they will continue to sck.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:15 pm
I always wonder if McClain conditioned himself like warrior could he become one.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
I would like to see this team go to a base 3-4 as well. They need a NT though and they can always move back and forth to a 4-3 when necessary!
December 20th, 2011 at 8:24 pm
# 4th Lombardi Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 7:38 pm
Bottom line is Hue didn’t get to pick most of these assistant coaches. The only ones on the team who excite me are Wylie, Waufle, Wiz, and Biekert. Period.
There will be a GM, a new DC, all new assistants on D and a few on O and maybe a real ST coach.
When we have a D with a scheme from this century and some discipline on that side of the ball Hues offense will be much more able to blow teams out and all the PU$$IE$ in here can stop bi!tching about not kicking FG’s in the first quarter.
Offense total yds 11th; passing 12th; rushing 6th
Defense total yds 27th; passing 23rd; rushing 26th
So where’s the problem again????
Not to mention a complete off season for Palmer to really get the playbook nailed down. Things will be very different next season….but this one ain’t over yet…..
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EXACTLY!! I think Rod Woodson stays though as well.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Man,could we have used a Great DB like Woodson vs Det,and ya,Hes gotta stay,period
December 20th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Until the Raiders switch to a 3-4 defense, they will continue to sck
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4-3 has been working for John Fox.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:36 pm
I don’t understand how we would expect anything different from our defense when:
1) We lost Nnambi – who was arguably our best defensive player.
2) We didn’t do anything to upgrade any position (other than adding Curry (who really looks like an upgrade from my seat).
3) We haven’t been able to consistently stop the run in so long that I think that it had to be our Superbowl run with Gannon? <<>
4) Last year – with as few passes that got thrown at Nnambi, the other DBs weren’t really able to stop the pass either.
5) We don’t have a defensive lineman that consistently gets sacks – look at other teams. Who is our lights out pass rusher? Our top sack leader is Tommy Kelly, with 7.5.
We did a great job last season with the offense. Even though some may argue that we don’t have the dominant receiver. I would argue with Moore, DHB, and Ford, we have three very good receivers that are tough to match up against.
Its time to solve the defensive problem. I think that this will start with replacing Bresnahan, then I suspect its time to give up on McClain. Cut our losses.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:40 pm
4-3 has been working for John Fox.
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Wonder where he learned that?
December 20th, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Kind of slow tonight,people shopping,parties,etc,So,we all have favorite players,right? Top of my list is DHB,Dmac,Dmoore,MM34,and Palmer,Shonasty,Houston,Shane and the Polish Cannon.OK,Im done
December 20th, 2011 at 8:43 pm
How does a coach not know his players resume? LOL
He had no idea that Branch had returned kicks in college until his peers told him. You’re around these guys all day 6 days a week and he just now realizing he’s got a new toy.
Branch’s stock just went up for his new contract.
I just hope he doesn’t get hurt on a return, he’s our best defender!
December 20th, 2011 at 8:50 pm
Deja Vu,youre last point is the problem,the D cant lose Branch,period,the best player on D,imo
December 20th, 2011 at 8:53 pm
I know Hendu, that’s what scares me.
I don’t think that would shy Hue away though after that big return. He’s desperatley looking for that spark!
December 20th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
12.Raiders for life Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:34 pm
Until the Raiders switch to a 3-4 defense, they will continue to sck
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4-3 has been working for John Fox.
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They run a 4-3 across the Bay also.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:58 pm
“Surprised by defensive performance” means Chuck is a gonner after the season. Now we also need a “bench coach” for Hue to talk him out of some of his gambling ways. I live in Dallas and not a Cowboy fan at all, in fact my two favorite teams are the Raiders and whoever is playing Dallas, but sometimes you gotta coach like Tom Landry and take the points and be conservative.
December 20th, 2011 at 8:59 pm
Dbaz09 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 8:10 pm
A impact MLB would make a big difference for this defense. Instead we’re stuck with Slow-lando McClain. So much for SEC speed.
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4.6 40 is not slow good for a middle linebacker. His ankle is effecting him has been effecting him. No need to hate on him he will be here next yr. chuck B will be gone and McClain will shine with the rest of this defense, next coach will put these Guys in the right spot at the right time witch is crucial as us raider fans no.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:04 pm
“Now, we have to do it. Talking about it and doing it is two different things. The things that have plagued us have been there all year. It’s not like all of a sudden we’ve fixed it.”
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Sounds like Hue isn’t too confident in the D and hasn’t a clue on how to fix it.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:08 pm
.6 40 is not slow good for a middle linebacker. His ankle is effecting him has been effecting him. No need to hate on him he will be here next yr. chuck B will be gone and McClain will shine with the rest of this defense, next coach will put these Guys in the right spot at the right time witch is crucial as us raider fans no.
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I would like to see McClain become a workout junkie and really devote himself completely to his profession. Short of that I have my doubts he will ever becoming an impact player in the NFL.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
We got two games to get it right and play as well as we can play.”
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That same quote has probably been said a million times by a million other coaches.
Thanks Hue. I feel inspired now.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I can’t believe Hue, this guy is a freaking moron sometimes, I can’t believe he & Chucky B didn’t take complete responsibility for the decisions/schemes they were calling that ultimately cost us not only the game, but quite possibly our 1st trip to the post- season in 9 yrs. and in my book are inexcusable. -going for 1 instead of 2 with the softest 2 minute defense i’ve ever witnessed. -going for it on 4th at the 27yd line- throwin the ball on 3rd & 3 -not to mention Rolando and Boyd on Megatron? what?
December 20th, 2011 at 9:17 pm
1st and foremost we need to FIRE Chucky B. before we go into K.C & Rolando Mclain is not a good MLB.! We need to either switch to a 3-4 or get a true MLB and move slolando to outside backer.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:38 pm
1st and foremost we need to FIRE Chucky B. before we go into K.C & Rolando Mclain is not a good MLB.! We need to either switch to a 3-4 or get a true MLB and move slolando to outside backer.
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How about we get a REAL defensive coordinator and see how our boys measure in the offseason.
These guys are top talent, there must be someone out there who can utilize their talents. Except Boyd.. you can’t do anything with that.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
With the AFC up for grabs, these losers are gift wrapping the division for Denver. I am so disgusted by this team with NO DEFENSE!
December 20th, 2011 at 9:45 pm
25. Exactly right.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:46 pm
funny all these people were saying “more zone more zone no more man”….yeah we got zone and megatron detroys it….now 3-4…3-4….cant wait for that disaster oh yeah rob ryan tried it….
December 20th, 2011 at 9:49 pm
I also want to address the stupidity of letting McClain leave early in the week to go to a funeral. Couldn’t his family have a funeral on Friday or Saturday? Did they? He could have flown with the team Friday and attend something on Saturday. It makes no sense. Hue has blood on his hands for allowing the bonehead to just skip town on a team that was 7-4!
December 20th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
I also have news for Mark Davis, Amy Trask, and Hue Jackson: Richard Seymour is NOT A LEADER!
December 20th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Hue has blood on his hands
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Hue is OJ now?
December 20th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Just watched the replay on the NFL network. A few observations:
- We really deserved to win that game. Detroit had basically two big plays the entire game until there were 5 minutes to go. Meanwhile, we were moving the ball at will. Guys were definitely playing hard. If that game were played 10 times the same way by both teams the Raiders probably win 9 of them.
- DHB was a beast. I’ve heard it said that his great game was overshadowed by the fumble. Bogus. Kid was fighting hard all day picking up HUGE chunks of yardage. Running with a vengance. He was dominant out there.
- Routt actually did a nice job on Calvin Johnson. Virtually all of Johnson’s catches came against zone coverage or other defenders. Routt should’ve been mano a mano with CJ all day. Routt did draw four flags. I believe three were of the 5-yard illegal contact/holding variety. I can live with that against a receiver of Johnson’s caliber. The last one was a pretty costly PI though that got the Lions a 1st and goal from the 6.
- You’ve heard of a bend but don’t break defense? Well, ours is the opposite. This is a don’t bend, then break defense. We’ll look really good a lot of times stifling the opponent. We’ll pressure the QB. Knock him down. Stuff a couple of runs. Then all of a sudden give up a 50 yard play. Two plays later they’re in the end zone. Very strange. These big plays have been plaguing our defense for several years now and I really have no idea hot to fix it.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:54 pm
33. I guess blood is a little strong. Hue was probably duped into letting him go so early in the week.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:56 pm
Chris in NY, we’ve seen this same defense for 9 consecutive seasons! Amazing, isn’t it? Lack of focus and determination, I would say.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:57 pm
I’m honestly trying to not think about this season again until Saturday morning. It’s really embarrassing how we are just a mediocre 7-7 team.
December 20th, 2011 at 9:59 pm
- You’ve heard of a bend but don’t break defense? Well, ours is the opposite. This is a don’t bend, then break defense. We’ll look really good a lot of times stifling the opponent. We’ll pressure the QB. Knock him down. Stuff a couple of runs. Then all of a sudden give up a 50 yard play. Two plays later they’re in the end zone. Very strange. These big plays have been plaguing our defense for several years now and I really have no idea hot to fix it.
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Maybe it really is a lack of talent and no actual playmakers or guys that make a difference.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:05 pm
Really proud of DHB’s progress this year. The kid has the potential to live up to what Al saw in him.
I remember being quite pissed when we drafted him. Said it was the dumbest pick ever. But the kid has definitely won me over with how hard he plays and the accounts of his hard work. I’m rooting for him.
DHB now has more yardage than Crabtree and Maclin on the season. DHB also is on more of an upward trajectory and has by far the highest ceiling of the three.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:07 pm
DHBeast, Dmc, Reece, Huff, branch, and curry are my favorite playas. I would love to see DHBeast break 1000 yards this season only 225 yards, you can do it.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:09 pm
^^In 2012 of course^^
The 1st step we need to take this offseason is to hire a very good G.M with the back bone to hold Hue Jackson and the rest of the coaching staff in check but mainly Hue, he needs to know another season like this will not be acceptable. The next step is to hire a good DC, and my choice would be to switch to a 3-4, but if he can make us/ Rolando consistant in the 4-3 and fix this mess, i’m all for that to. I just think we’d excell in a 3-4. next is to re-sign Bush & Branch, but nothing outrageous, and maybe pick up another LB/ DB. I believe this team has the talent to be 12-4 if they’re put in a position to succeed, and I believe the same is is possible next season. The talent is here, we just need the right people in place to utilize it. Hue needs to take more accountability for the short comings of his staff, and remedy it in the offseason. I like so many of you love & believe in this team and these players and just want to see them succeed to the level they are capable of. We have a great squad here its not like we lack in talent its just execution;
December 20th, 2011 at 10:12 pm
HUE JACKSON; STOP TALKING ABOUT ALL THE THINGS YOUR GONNA DO AND FIX. AND FIX IT ALREADY. DON’T TALK ABOUT IT-BE ABOUT IT. THATS THE RAIDER WAY-NOT MAKING EXCUSES AND TALKING ABOUT WHAT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. YOU MADE THE CALLS THAT COST THIS TEAM AND IT SICKENS ME THAT YOU BLAMED THE PLAYERS “NOT MAKING PLAYS” AS A REASONING FOR LOSING THE GAME AND NOT YOU STUPID CHOICES.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Sorry everybody for all the comments in a row, i’m just so frustrated that we’re 7-7 and hoping for the Broncos to win-When we should already have clinched the AFC West.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
Chief killa all day everyday. Till the day I die
I’m creeping threw arrowhead with cp3 and DHBeast by my side,
the squad that you can’t see because we rock that patch over our eyes.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:15 pm
A couple of things…
WHY is Bresnahan still employed?
WHY did a pair of players have to tell Hue what was going on when Branch was in for a return?
Why do I not have a lot of confidence in Hue?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:16 pm
LETS JUST WIN OUT AND WORRY ABOUT NEXT SEASON.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
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December 20th, 2011 at 10:20 pm
I understand some of the hate of McClain, but most of it is not deserved. He’s not a Patrick Willis, but he is not a bust. The raiders defense puts the MLB in compromising positions and asks him to do things that are not comfortable.
If the people that hate on McClain, were the GM’s of the raiders, we would have released both Mcfadden and DHB in there first 2 years…
December 20th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
Hue needs to learn to go balls out all the time full throttle to win. You can never play to not lose or run out the clock. Oakland has shown its d is incapble of keeping teams from coming back on them.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
48. Thats incorrect.
Which is it?
Oaklands D puts MLBs in bad positions? By what playing Al’s man Defense or the more diverisfied new Bresnahan D with more zone, blitzes and Tampa 2-3s?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
If I were Hue I WOULD fire Bres right now and bring in Del Rio or stay in house till the off.
Just stupid and awful personnel and play calling match ups. Ridiculous. his D has allowed massive comebacks and failed over and over and over.
Its not the talent it might be the injuries but its definietly the Chuck
December 20th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
We will find out about the Raiders current personnel when the new GM works with the roster. It will be very interesting to see who stays and who goes. Judging by the way bloggers reacted to the release of Hagen there may be some hurt feelings in here.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:34 pm
Because he’s so young the jury is still out on Slow-lando. In the meantime his bad play far outweighs the occasional fine play. He doesnt appear to have the strenght to shed blocks, frequently guesses which puts him out of position, and rarely makes plays at the line of scrimmage. Most of the great MLBs play with an intensity and quickness thats impossible to ignore, but not Slowlando. He just looks sloooww…
December 20th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
2.Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:40 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Ray Ratto’s fat ass said this morning the raider players didnt seem mad in locker after loss……if this true…hue gotta go
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Ray Ratto’s a miserable tubb-o.
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Ratto’s a fat pocket of f**k
December 20th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Da Trinity,40,with ya with DHB,this young man was bust,junk,weak,pu—,etc.Now hes still 22 I believe,and with his work ethic,and Heart,WATCH OUT!I think Mr Davis made a great pick,chose the right young man,lets all watch and enjoy.Lets see if He gets it this week,would be awesome. ps He may be 24
December 20th, 2011 at 10:41 pm
I think that McClain is more suited for the 3-4 defense. bring in Reggie Mckenzie to be the GM, fire Bresnahan, and then hire a new DC. I like Del Rio, but I would like to get a DC who runs the 3-4.
I know that we only got two picks in next year’s draft. So I hope that means we will be bigger players in FA. I would focus on re-signing Bush and Branch first and then get a legit #2 CB, a better FS, a NT, another ILB, and a LG, RG, and RT…..
Cut Satele and move Wiz kid to C.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
Chris in NY Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 9:52 pm
Just watched the replay on the NFL network. A few observations:
- We really deserved to win that game. Detroit had basically two big plays the entire game until there were 5 minutes to go.
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We really did play well in this game. That’s the biggest shame. The first quarter the Raiders played like a good playoff caliber team. Actually the Lions had 3 big plays. The lst one was the 51 yarder where Mike Mitchell, again, inexpicably lets Magatron run past him for a 51 yard score. Mitchell is not an NFL quality player.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Cut Satele and move Wiz kid to C.
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How many times did a rested Suh blast up the middle thru Satele and smash Palmer?
December 20th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Mitchell is not an NFL quality player.
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I believe you, too bad for us fans.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
Hue with no clue Branch was a deadly return man for U Conn.
Probably doesn’t know Mayock called him on draft day “The best gunner in the League starting day one.”
Hue probably doesn’t know Branch returned 6 kicks his rookie year, fumbled one and was inujured on another.
Get Branch killed in the return game and watch our decimted safety float down the crapper for good this year.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Meant decimated SECONDARY
December 20th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
Flo-rider says it best… Next thing you know – Ro hits the flo – He’s slow slow slow slow slow slow slow..
December 20th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Hue with no clue Branch was a deadly return man for U Conn.
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I think Hue was having a little fun with the press on this one. Of course he knew.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
I’ll give deathro one more year before I call him a bust. It took dmac and DHBeast 3 seasons to show some life. Plus he is a warrior. He has played hurt all season, we have been seeing a hurt player play most the season, plus he has crons disease. He needs to heal up in the offseason and focus on football. Less call of duty and tupac or jeezy music since he is from the south and more football activities should help him take it to the next level.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
DHB: 51 catches for 775 yds.
Michael Crabtree: 59 catches for 703 yds.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
And Davis had it right… Never draft a LB in the first round, let alone in the top 10. Too bad he made an exception out of desperation to stop the run. It came back to haunt him.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
# justinh Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
DHB: 51 catches for 775 yds.
Michael Crabtree: 59 catches for 703 yds.
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Craptree has played with the same Q his whole career. DHB has played with four different Q’s in three years. That is going to make a difference. They play different positions but Craptree has become what he is: an 70-80 catch 900 yard guy. Basically an average+ guy. No one knows how good DHB can get just yet.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
48. Thats incorrect.
Which is it?
Oaklands D puts MLBs in bad positions? By what playing Al’s man Defense or the more diverisfied new Bresnahan D with more zone, blitzes and Tampa 2-3s?
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no, your incorrect.
The raiders defense is manipulated by the movement of players WR’s RB’s and TE’s. How Many times do you see Patrick Willis one on one with a speedy WR (i.e Wes Welker)
And I know most of you dont undersand the game besides madden on XBOX, but on all of Calvin Johnsons td’s the Lions are just hiding him in the slot. This is and obvious problem with the raiders, ie the tamba 2 defense. Most teams allow a Safety to play that middle of the field ( i.e Mike Mitchell) but the raiders dont adjust to the adjustments of the offense…
December 20th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
# dbaz09 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
And Davis had it right… Never draft a LB in the first round, let alone in the top 10. Too bad he made an exception out of desperation to stop the run. It came back to haunt him.
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Thank you. McClain probably had one of his best games against Detroit. And he was pedestrian at best.
December 20th, 2011 at 10:59 pm
No one knows how good DHB can get just yet.
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Exactly. At this point, DHB probably has way more upside.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
How do casual fans know the Raiders roster better than the Head Coach?
This guy is too busy getting fitted for one of his clown suits or getting his bikini line waxed to know his job.
Every Raider fan knows that Branch has a history as a kick returner in both college and the NFL but the Head Coach doesn’t have a clue?
How is that possible?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:06 pm
And I know most of you dont undersand the game besides madden on XBOX, but on
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Is this really necessary?
December 20th, 2011 at 11:07 pm
/troll
/flamebait
December 20th, 2011 at 11:10 pm
Every Raider fan knows that Branch has a history as a kick returner in both college and the NFL but the Head Coach doesn’t have a clue?
How is that possible?
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Probably the exact same way a guy who has burned you for 180 yards and a TD is running down the field being followed by your ILB who has no hope of catching him with 50 seconds to go in a game you sorely need to win. That’s how that’s possible.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
HIRE FISHER!
December 20th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Hiring Jeff Fisher would not be a bad idea.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:15 pm
Probably the exact same way a guy who has burned you for 180 yards and a TD is running down the field being followed by your ILB who has no hope of catching him with 50 seconds to go in a game you sorely need to win. That’s how that’s possible.
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Blown coverage? hehe
December 20th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Blown coverage? hehe
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More like blown draft choice.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, December 20th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
He might not reach that goal, but it’s impressive how far he has come when you take into account his first two seasons.
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Ring you are unbelievable. You still carry the hate for DHB so deep in your heart, even though he is laughing in your face.
Why even bother bringing DHB’s name up when he disgusts you so much.
Why not ask the question every single Raider fan in and out of the USA wants answered? When the FVcK! is Bresnehans seeing the door and his last day as a Raider?
PUSH it until your eyes pop out, like you did on the Hagen debacle you pitbull terrier you!
December 20th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
Highly impressed by DHB’s game Sunday, but let’s wait a hot second before we start putting Michael Crabtree in his dust. This is the FIRST year DHB has finally started to show somewhat consistency (even though he still disappeared numerous games this season). Also, to call Crabtree mediocre for 70+ catches / 800-900 yard seasons is idiotic. A simple glance at the “receivers” for the Raiders over the past 9 years shows what mediocrity is.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:36 pm
A simple glance at the “receivers” for the Raiders over the past 9 years shows what mediocrity is.
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I think that would be well below mediocre.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Jeff Fisher, king of 8-8.
2 years pre-Hue: 10-22
2 years since Hue: 15-15
The man is turning around your franchise and you’re too busy whining to appreciate it.
New DC = 10-6 every year, minimum.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
82, agree. Fisher = Cable. With a better DC, we have 2 or probably 3 more wins so far this year. Keep Hue, hire McKenzie or Mayock for GM, Del Rio or Nolan for DC and maybe a few new position coaches.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:47 pm
Can’t fire Chuck B. yet. Two reasons.
1. No one better to replace him this late into the season.
2. Al Davis hire.
Come the offseason, we move on to the 3-4 defense and some new blood.
December 20th, 2011 at 11:57 pm
McClain is playing out of position in a 4-3 D, with a bad D coordinator to boot.
I’ll wait til he’s in a 3-4 to eval him. He’ll be fine. ILB in a 3-4 allows for more blitzes, which he does well, and better angles to mask his average speed.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:03 am
Mr Corkran,thanks for calling DHB the 5th or worse WR on this team,and keep it up,I believe he feeds off of the haters,such as yourself.And for those that say he didnt show up in some games,ask Hue why that is.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:07 am
Mike Nolan has been stuck with the Ravens, 49ers, and Dolphins offenses. He’d jump at this opportunity.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:13 am
It’s going to take more than just a coordinator. Raiders need an entire new secondary.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:13 am
yo chrisinnc,thanks for youre niner garbage,get lost,jackar-s
December 21st, 2011 at 12:15 am
So, the “big name” being thrown around to potentially replace Hue is Jeff Fisher? Bwahaha!!!
December 21st, 2011 at 12:15 am
Hendu, no need to ask Hue. DHB will disappear from some games because that’s normal, and because he drops more passes than top receivers and runs stiff routes.
51 for 775 yards and 3 tds are #2 numbers, especially as much as we throw the ball.
He’ll be our #2 and our third most talented after Moore and Ford.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:19 am
In youre opinion,Alex.Thanks for that
December 21st, 2011 at 12:19 am
Nah Sull, scheme makes up for average talent, and we have at least average talent in our secondary.
Scheme improved Bengals secondary even after losing their best CB Joseph.
Scheme improved Texans numbers by a LOT, more than adding Joseph should have.
Niners scheme has bunch of young kids in their secondary.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:20 am
I see mr/mrs and friends are in the house,OUT
December 21st, 2011 at 12:22 am
Cya
December 21st, 2011 at 1:20 am
Hendu, try not to be ignorant. Blaming the coach for dropped balls/poor route running is silly. Even for you.
December 21st, 2011 at 1:22 am
Btw, you’re awful quick to attack others with claims of being “49ers fans.” You hiding something in your closet over there?
December 21st, 2011 at 1:52 am
i think with the extra freedom the defense has had after al passed is just too much .think about what your skills are ,and do what you do best .and that is not mixing different styles on defense,its like playing music you cant play all your own music and every one else’s and be on top of your game ,you have to play what you know practice daily at what you do ,to become the best at what you do.pretty soon you hear things like he dont know a lot, but what he does hes damn good at.
chucky b you should explore other options,and put your house on the market if you own one
December 21st, 2011 at 2:22 am
Jackson-speak…
We have 5 games left to get it right, to fix the [insert problem] and we will.
We have 3 games left to get it right, to fix the [insert problem] and we will.
We have 2 games left to get it right, to fix the [insert problem] and we will.
We have 1 game left to get it right, to fix the [insert problem] and we will.
Then end of season happens…
We have 16 games next season to get it right, to fix the [insert problem] and we will.
etc
December 21st, 2011 at 3:59 am
id like to see our defense with bill romanowski’s attitude,and rod woodson’s heart ,and a whole (lott)of ronnies skill
December 21st, 2011 at 4:03 am
with that mixture of DNA we could overcome the flags too,maybe
December 21st, 2011 at 4:42 am
DaTruth91 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
48. Thats incorrect.
Which is it?
Oaklands D puts MLBs in bad positions? By what playing Al’s man Defense or the more diverisfied new Bresnahan D with more zone, blitzes and Tampa 2-3s?
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no, your incorrect.
The raiders defense is manipulated by the movement of players WR’s RB’s and TE’s. How Many times do you see Patrick Willis one on one with a speedy WR (i.e Wes Welker)
And I know most of you dont undersand the game besides madden on XBOX, but on all of Calvin Johnsons td’s the Lions are just hiding him in the slot. This is and obvious problem with the raiders, ie the tamba 2 defense. Most teams allow a Safety to play that middle of the field ( i.e Mike Mitchell) but the raiders dont adjust to the adjustments of the offense…
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This is completely wrong and impossible.
You cannot play a Cover 2 Zone (Tampa 2) and have a safety cover the middle.
It’s simple, 2 deep safeties = Cover 2, 1 deep safety = Cover 1.
When a safety comes down to cover the middle, you’re in a Robber defense, a Cover 1.
December 21st, 2011 at 5:23 am
Raiders 33…. Chefs 17…..
Gonna be Cold and maybe snowy in Kc….
Bush should have a good day…
Palmers plays well in the Cold…
Orton?… Well, he’s Orton …
December 21st, 2011 at 5:39 am
I think offensive coordinators get aroused when they find out they are playing Oakland. It’s almost a gaurantee someone on their offense will have huge stats. Bres. Has no answer as the 4th qtr comes and our secondary gets scorched or there is a huge run cause our guys are out of place. I think we have a lot of good pieces, but need depth at Dt, de, MLB, cb… And a DC that will light a fire under someone’s azz. I could see our d roll their eyes at coach bres. when he calls a retarded play.
December 21st, 2011 at 5:52 am
75.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:12 pm
HIRE FISHER!
Why in the world would we want to hire Fisher?
What did he do with the Titans?
Does he have a ring?
All Hue has to do is fire Chuck.B, and get rid of bums like Boyd,Scott,Carlisle…work out this QB situation for the future by grooming Pryor, and all will be well.
And remember this is 1st year as Head Coach, Fisher aint the answer, rather see Gruden back here 1st.
December 21st, 2011 at 5:55 am
82.Alex7 Says:
December 20th, 2011 at 11:43 pm
Jeff Fisher, king of 8-8.
2 years pre-Hue: 10-22
2 years since Hue: 15-15
The man is turning around your franchise and you’re too busy whining to appreciate it.
New DC = 10-6 every year, minimum
I agree, these jokers with this hire Fisher crap dont know anything about football!
December 21st, 2011 at 6:24 am
Gotta give Hue more time…. When Cable was here and the play improved almost everybody said Hue Jackson was the reason…. This has been a very unusual year for the Nation…. Commonsense says give Hue a fair chance… Get a Dc , a GM and let’s see what happens… Coaching changes have killed this organization but some of you want to keep doing it…this teams improved.. Just not over the hump yet… Give Hue at least another year…. Same with Palmer… He’s gonna be fine ..maybe ever great ..
December 21st, 2011 at 6:30 am
Hues still a rookie headcoach … So he’s still making Rookie mistakes…. Hopefully he’s learning from these mistakes….those gutsy calls he made Sunday!.. It was execution that didn’t work… The plays were fine..
December 21st, 2011 at 6:30 am
I can see Ford and dmac back vs sd next week with us in favor of clinching the division. We need to take care of business Saturday though, I feel we keep getting more chances to make the play offs for a reason. It’s our destiny but need a huge turn around.
December 21st, 2011 at 6:33 am
DeathRow…yes… Just need to take care of business Saturday….
December 21st, 2011 at 6:54 am
BREAKING NEWS:
Rolando McClain & Jerome Boyd to cover Dwayne Bowe in the 4th quarter this Saturday
stay tuned
December 21st, 2011 at 6:55 am
Jackson said Tuesday that he is surprised by the fact the Raiders defense has allowed 5 yards per carry, 28 touchdown passes and more than 27 points per game
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RRS = not surprised
December 21st, 2011 at 6:57 am
NOTHING LIKE BEING IN RAIDER FOOTBALL MODE ON XMAS EVE.HOPE WE R ALL IN A GOOD FRAME OF MIND ON XMAS MORNING..
December 21st, 2011 at 6:57 am
Campbell likely has played his last game as a Raider. He is a free agent after this season and there’s little, if any, chance of his being asked back
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thanks for your contributions, Jason.
somebody pass the Kleenex to Mistic!
December 21st, 2011 at 7:01 am
Heyward-Bey said there wasn’t any breakthrough moment. He has been building to this point. And he isn’t anywhere near reaching his lofty goal.
“There’s a lot of things that I can get better at,” Heyward-Bey said. “Each and every day, I’m trying to get better. That’s why I come to work every day, to try to reach my goal of being the best player in the league. That’s how high the standards are.”
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King Darrius!
December 21st, 2011 at 7:02 am
by the way, GOOD MORNING to Hwnrdr, Dirt Lot, BCZ, JFB and the other AM crew bloggers.
time 4 work – later gents!
December 21st, 2011 at 7:07 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Thanks for the shout out, Rockstar!
You guys think DHB can get 225 yards these next two weeks?
December 21st, 2011 at 7:14 am
HOPE HE GETS THEM ALL SATURDAY HWNRDR…I THINK HE CAN IF THE OLINE CAN KEEP PALMER VERTICAL
December 21st, 2011 at 7:22 am
225 OVER NEXT 2 GAMES..IF PALMER STAYS UPRIGHT.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:30 am
That is true…keep him upright!
December 21st, 2011 at 7:33 am
So if Hue didn’t know about Branch’s ability…who decided to put him in?
December 21st, 2011 at 7:37 am
THAT IS SCARY HWNRDR.MAKES U WONDER HOW MUCH HE DOES OR DOES NOT KNOW ABOUT THE REST OF THE ROSTER.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:38 am
I know right? Hope that woke him up!
December 21st, 2011 at 7:43 am
Unlikely to change until a DC that has personnel that understands match-ups, executes and trusts each other. Thats too difficult when rookies are thrown together with journey men. They have a lot of good players, just not elite players and they can’t consistently string together game defining performances..often “holding on” for wins. This is still a team that has to outscore teams for four quarters rather than an opportunistic defense that forces turnovers and gets their offense more possessions.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:53 am
And PG&E still has not figured out why the lights went out at the Park. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It was nice of the Raiders to offer up their stadium if needed to help out.
LOL.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:55 am
“Jackson surprised by defensive performance.”
Unfortunately, we weren’t.
Too typical.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:56 am
Listen, I’m no genius, but even I know not to keep repeating things that don’t work and I wouldn;t keep putting players that can;t make plays in positions where they need to in order to win the damb game.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:56 am
114.RaiderRockstar Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 6:57 am
Campbell likely has played his last game as a Raider. He is a free agent after this season and there’s little, if any, chance of his being asked back
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thanks for your contributions, Jason.
somebody pass the Kleenex to Mistic!
We’d better hope that Palmers 77.7 and missing open WR is just the residual of layoff time and him just getting to have to know the players better, because regardless of Palmers past success, the best QB should be given the job until Pryor is ready. That said no head coach wants to lose his team because they notice that the better QB is not the one playing.
If the decision is made that Campbell should sit or go in favor of Palmer, because Palmer has proven that he is better, then so be it, however if its made based on trying to make it work based on the Draft-Picks we have given up, then that will not be good for the organization or team…and regardless of all that Hue should be trying to get Pryor ready to be the future #1 QB.
December 21st, 2011 at 7:57 am
125.qodrn1 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 7:53 am
And PG&E still has not figured out why the lights went out at the Park. The more things change, the more they stay the same.
It was nice of the Raiders to offer up their stadium if needed to help out.
LOL.
PG&E asked why was they the only ones on the block that experienced a black out…
then…a Niner fan told me that she thought it was someone in the org who planned the blackout to show the NFL that they need a new stadium…interesting…
December 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am
125. 9ers turned off the lights to embarrass the council to give them a billion for a new stadium.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am
Gotta feel good about this group of WRs now with DHB, Ford and Moore leading the way and Chaz and Murphy as very solid 4-5 guys. If I were going to make any move there this off-season it would be to let TJH walk and get a special teams ace who can fill in at receiver if needed. Like what David Tyree used to be for the Giants. Or I think it’s Osgood who used to do that for the Chargers but is now with the Jags.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:04 am
128. Ddwight says: “If the decision is made that Campbell should sit or go in favor of Palmer”
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The decision on Jason Campbell was made the day they decided to trade away a 1st and 2nd for Carson.
He knew, the team knew it and we knew it.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:08 am
131.Chris in NY Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:00 am
Gotta feel good about this group of WRs now with DHB, Ford and Moore leading the way and Chaz and Murphy as very solid 4-5 guys. If I were going to make any move there this off-season it would be to let TJH walk and get a special teams ace who can fill in at receiver if needed. Like what David Tyree used to be for the Giants. Or I think it’s Osgood who used to do that for the Chargers but is now with the Jags.
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Theres some talent there but not as sold as you are. DHB is s till a terrible receiver. Hes the Tebow of WRs. Gets it done somehow but looks terrible doing it.
Ford, Moore look legit, Chaz hasn’t been healthy once in 4 years, Murphy has been dinged alot too but showed character coming back mentally but still unproven.
Neither a “go to” guy yet.
Housh?
Hes the vet, hes the underneath guy hes a ghost. And the TEs? WTH?! Not even going to go there…
December 21st, 2011 at 8:12 am
132.GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:04 am
128. Ddwight says: “If the decision is made that Campbell should sit or go in favor of Palmer”
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The decision on Jason Campbell was made the day they decided to trade away a 1st and 2nd for Carson.
He knew, the team knew it and we knew it.
I knew it but that doesnt mean that I or everyone agreed with the price that was paid, or that,it was the best thing for this team, time will tell that though. Because as Raider fans thats what we should be concerned with, whats best for the team!
December 21st, 2011 at 8:36 am
It is what it is, Campbell is gone.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:49 am
Jackson is surprised when the toast pops up.
He’s just now figuring out that there’s a problem with the defense?
Most of us realized that after the Buffalo game.
December 21st, 2011 at 8:54 am
they need to play strictly man against orton, he doesnt have the arm strength to hit tight pockets…..
December 21st, 2011 at 8:54 am
I think DHB has the opportunity to be really, really good.
But not in the way he was expected to be.
He’s not a stretch-the-field outside-the-numbers deep threat jump ball catcher.
But he is a zone-killer. He is adept at finding the little windows in the defense and making tough catches that a lot of the stretch-the-field guys don’t make.
I think that is a huge asset.
Whoever thought DHB would be an effective possession guy?
December 21st, 2011 at 8:58 am
oldschoolraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 8:49 am
Jackson is surprised when the toast pops up.
He’s just now figuring out that there’s a problem with the defense?
Most of us realized that after the Buffalo game.
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I think you guys take NFL head coaches a bit too literally.
I rarely pay attention to what they say in pressers (players as well), but how they say it and what their eyes are doing.
Hue hasn’t thrown Bres under the bus but you can tell he’s not happy with what he sees.
When asked if he was happy with the scheme being used defensively at the end of the Detroit game, his face said ‘of course not,’ but he proceded to to tell the press that nobody’s ever happy when you lose.
Get off Hue’s back.
After next year, if the D still gives up 27 per after he and/or GM pick a good DC, then you guys can p;ss and moan about it ad nauseum.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 7:07 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Thanks for the shout out, Rockstar!
You guys think DHB can get 225 yards these next two weeks?
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I’d rather him get 224 and a couple Ws. Think DHB is the type to feel the same way.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:08 am
140.LA to TheBay Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:03 am
hwnrdr Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 7:07 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Thanks for the shout out, Rockstar!
You guys think DHB can get 225 yards these next two weeks?
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I’d rather him get 224 and a couple Ws. Think DHB is the type to feel the same way.
If that’s the case, and believe me, I agree…I rather him only get 100, a few TD’s and wins!
December 21st, 2011 at 9:10 am
This pic of Megatron says it ALL…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
December 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
134. You knew it? Then why did you say IF the decision is made that Campbell should go?
Back peddaling furiously.
U said NOTHING about the price of Palmer until I did.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:15 am
DHB is suddenly everyones icon. What a joke. 90% of his new worshipers hated him b4 the season.
DH-BUST is what they called him.
Hes still a lousy route runner with bad hands, no double moves or fakes, leaps when he doesn’t need to (run under it with your speed fool!!!)and let the ball into his chest. Never high points on and on.
Long as he makes critical plays though…oh wait…
December 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Whoever thought DHB would be an effective possession guy?
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I did!
Should we search the archives, as Young B would say?
December 21st, 2011 at 9:19 am
We all know the DC needs a change, get a good one and let them come in here and change it.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:20 am
143.GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
134. You knew it? Then why did you say IF the decision is made that Campbell should go?
Back peddaling furiously.
U said NOTHING about the price of Palmer until I did.
You dont know me, I never addressed you before, besides I was 1 of the fans that didnt agree with the picks for Palmer… maybe you supported it, but I have never been an advocate of the trade. Maybe you still believe that he is an elite QB?
December 21st, 2011 at 9:35 am
Wow, Florio really struggles with putting cohesive sentences together.
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Though there may be a stray agent or two who would attempt to collect money for training expenses from a player before the player is drafted by an NFL team, those agents likely have zero clients, or fewer.
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How do you have fewer than zero clients?
December 21st, 2011 at 9:37 am
J Hill Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:16 am
Whoever thought DHB would be an effective possession guy?
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I did!
Should we search the archives, as Young B would say?
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We’ll take your word for it, J.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:40 am
DHB is suddenly everyones icon. What a joke. 90% of his new worshipers hated him b4 the season.
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I wouldn’t take it that far.
He’s still the 3rd best WR on the team, but I like that he has a role now and is good at it.
We have guys that can beat you deep vs. man coverage in Moore and Ford and they fight in mid air for balls.
DHB makes tough possession type cathces to move the chains.
And if he can come this far, I think he can be even better next year if healthy.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:45 am
His return Sunday went for 76 yards, though it got wiped out by a penalty on Jerome Boyd.
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Jerome Boyd always seems to be involved in the big play, definitely makes an impact
December 21st, 2011 at 9:48 am
If some of the other young players were as committed to improving their game, the Raiders might have some difference makers on defense.
December 21st, 2011 at 9:49 am
Hes still a lousy route runner with bad hands, no double moves or fakes, leaps when he doesn’t need to
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he’s improved by leaps and bounds check the #’s and he’ll continue to get better put a move on a deep ball that got a PI. Speed, Size, Work ethic, toughness, team player, I’ll take him on my team any day
December 21st, 2011 at 9:58 am
147.147.ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:20 am
143.GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
134. You knew it? Then why did you say IF the decision is made that Campbell should go?
Back peddaling furiously.
U said NOTHING about the price of Palmer until I did.
You dont know me, I never addressed you before, besides I was 1 of the fans that didnt agree with the picks for Palmer… maybe you supported it, but I have never been an advocate of the trade. Maybe you still believe that he is an elite QB?
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Changing the subject in a classic re-direct bid.
U thought up till the moment I told you that Campbell might be back.
Your cred is zero.
I believe Palmer is the best QB since Gannon to wear Silver and Black
December 21st, 2011 at 10:07 am
154.154.GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:58 am
147.147.ddwight Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:20 am
143.GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 9:12 am
134. You knew it? Then why did you say IF the decision is made that Campbell should go?
Back peddaling furiously.
U said NOTHING about the price of Palmer until I did.
You dont know me, I never addressed you before, besides I was 1 of the fans that didnt agree with the picks for Palmer… maybe you supported it, but I have never been an advocate of the trade. Maybe you still believe that he is an elite QB?
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Changing the subject in a classic re-direct bid.
U thought up till the moment I told you that Campbell might be back.
Your cred is zero.
I believe Palmer is the best QB since Gannon to wear Silver and Black
And that has not been proven yet, stop living on what he did 6 yrs ago with bengals. Come up to whats happening currently on the field dude, he has the potential to be, but that has not been proven yet, in the case with Campbell. Besides we should be talkin about how soon Pryor should be taken a look at if we get eliminated from post-season.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:07 am
The thing about the 3-4 is that the switch benefits an aging Richard Seymour, a marginal player in Rolando McClain, and maybe Trevor Scott.
Wimbley has the same limitations in a 3-4 as he does in a 4-3 (just ask Browns fans), and has actually been a better fit in a 4-3 because of his versatility.
The rest of the roster? Curry is not an ideal 4-3 fit, as he never was much of a pass-rusher. Nor are TK, Shaughnessy, Bryant, Houston (3-4 DE might be an option, but his natural position is 4-3 3-tech DT). The Raiders would need to find a way to get, at the very least, a big-time NT as well as another legit 3-4 OLB.
And even then, there’s no guarantee that they will stop the run. Bills, Jets, Redskins, Cardinals, Packers… all teams that gave up their fair share of rushing yards this season.
It’s more important to find a DC with a plan, who can work with the personnel the Raiders already have. There’s no guarantee that they’re going to be able to lure in the new pieces they need, no matter which system they’re running. So they might as well have a coach who, if worse comes to worst, can make the most out of what’s already available to him.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:08 am
HueJack doing his best Captain Louis Renault impression is “Shocked!” that the D often plays like a barnyard group of chickens with their heads cut off (with RoMac being the Alpha headless chicken).
He is “Shocked!” that Tyvon Branch has the ability to be dynamic in the return game – damn, does HC even know who is on the roster?
He isn’t “Shocked!” that DHB has produced to become an average NFL receiver.
yowsa.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:10 am
M comin through with the Casablanca reference.
Major points.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:15 am
Besides we should be talkin about how soon Pryor should be taken a look at if we get eliminated from post-season.
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Should’ve already seen time at least at the end of the Packers routing… Leaving Palmer out there when the game was more than over was only risking injury to him.
Good post #156… We at least need a new cook in the defensive kitchen, but not sure what new groceries will be attainable. We definitely need to can the stale goods though..
December 21st, 2011 at 10:16 am
I laugh at Hue’s pressers and some of the things that he tries to feed us. Honestly he can’t tell the truth about the D side of the ball, so don’t blame him for saying the same sht over and over.
I for one would like to see him come back. The formations and different packages he’s brought to the table are light years from last year. I don’t agree with some calls, but he’s a rookie head coach and hopefully he learns from his mistakes. I believe with the addition of a great D coordinator and some FA pickups we’ll only get better.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:23 am
Hes still a lousy route runner with bad hands, no double moves or fakes, leaps when he doesn’t need to (run under it with your speed fool!!!)and let the ball into his chest. Never high points on and on.
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Yet he is still pretty effective. The kid is only gonna get better. Maybe Al was looking at his ceiling…not one thats already hit it like the kid across the bay
December 21st, 2011 at 10:24 am
I think DHB has definitely improved both his route-running and catching significantly. Not that he’s completely polished or all the way there yet in either respect, but he’s OK now and his strength and explosiveness makes his special at gaining YAC.
I think he first and foremost needs to improve his ball skills. That means: tracking the flight of the ball and getting into the best possible position to make the catch — whether that’s on a deep ball or something intermediate — and then catching the ball with his hands instead of his body. Once he gets these habits and skills down, if he gets them down, it’ll take him to a whole new level.
He’s got the physical gifts when it comes to size, speed, quickness and strength. He competes hard. He seems to have a good attitude to help him improve. Now he just needs to keep working to continue to polish his game. DHB (Season 3); Ford (Season 2); and Moore (Season 1) has the potential to be an incredible WR group for years to come.
I think even right now. With Palmer slinging it to those guys and our other weapons, if we had everyone healthy we’d be putting 40+ on a lot of teams.
That’s why I’ve been saying all along that if we can just get in the playoffs and get McFadden back we have the potential to blow through the AFC.
- Houston’s without its QB and best defender.
- NE doesn’t play defense and outside of Brady isn’t oozing talent on offense. Obviously a great coach and QB can take you pretty far though.
- Baltimore has looked real good sometimes and then got killed by others. Can be very one-dimensional on offense and while the defense has some great players, it’s not quite the same defense it was in the last decade.
- Pitt is very much like Baltimore. Bottom line: both teams are good but not great. Both can be had.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:27 am
Chris comes correct, as per ususal.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:28 am
“CAMPBELL UPDATE
Jackson said Jason Campbell threw the ball about 30 yards in a recent session, which Jackson termed “a huge improvement.”
At the same time, he painted a picture of a quarterback who still has a ways to go before he can play in a game again.”
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I commented on this blog the day we found out it was a broken collarbone that Cambell’s season was over. Having suffered that same injury, I knew there was no way 6-8 weeks was a realistic time frame for a throwing arm to get back into shape. They should have just IR’d him and used the roster spot on someone else.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:28 am
Pryor is not playing this year and is a backup at best for the next two seasons and maybe many more. There is plenty of time to look at him at mini-camps, training camp, next preseason, etc. to see if he’s a viable backup.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:29 am
155. Fair enough. Palmer has done extremely well considering., Does he protect the ball as well as JC? He hasn’t, but JC had DMC to hand off too. Palmer’s had to make due without any weapons including Moore and Ford too.
Like it or not, Palmer’s the man for the next TWO years if I’m not mistaken.
Like I said, not gonna spend the picks on him and not even have him around before the second pick even gets used.
JCs a solid Qb and like him very much but hes not a Heisman winning #1 overall caliber Qb no way no how. Palmer is and can play up to that given the right help.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:29 am
If Hue does come back i wouldn’t be against him, if he gave up play calling to Saunders so he could focus more on the team. It would benefit the entire team and take some pressure off him on game day.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:32 am
164. No choice really. You’d hate to make the play offs with Boller as your insurance. If there was anyway JC might come back, U gotta risk it.
If JC is able, who would you rather have step in during a divisional play off?
December 21st, 2011 at 10:34 am
Yes, the defense gave up 2 90 yard drives, however, if Hue were to just kick a FG instead of going for it on 4th down, this post would be moot. Hue is killing me with all his “go for it all” approach. He calls plays the same way I play Madden. Damn it! I’m still not over this past loss
December 21st, 2011 at 10:34 am
167.Deja vu Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:29 am
If Hue does come back i wouldn’t be against him, if he gave up play calling to Saunders so he could focus more on the team. It would benefit the entire team and take some pressure off him on game day.
Exactly, and he should have done so after Al’s passing…
December 21st, 2011 at 10:35 am
note to future GM : urge OC to give McFootSprain 40 touches per game until he gets injured. Then IR him immediately. Plan B is better than Plan Wait-Around
December 21st, 2011 at 10:35 am
El Gato Negro Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:28 am
“CAMPBELL UPDATE
Jackson said Jason Campbell threw the ball about 30 yards in a recent session, which Jackson termed “a huge improvement.”
At the same time, he painted a picture of a quarterback who still has a ways to go before he can play in a game again.”
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I commented on this blog the day we found out it was a broken collarbone that Cambell’s season was over. Having suffered that same injury, I knew there was no way 6-8 weeks was a realistic time frame for a throwing arm to get back into shape. They should have just IR’d him and used the roster spot on someone else.
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I recall that. I think Hue’s thinking is though, and I have to say I agree, is that if we can get into the playoffs it would be much more valuable to have Campbell, not Boller, there as the primary backup if Palmer were to get knocked out than it would be to IR JC and add some bottom of the roster player like that Mason Brodine (or whatever his name is) guy to play special teams and an occasional down here and there over the second half of the season.
Remember, you don’t even suit up 8 guys from the 53-man roster each week. So there’s a good chance that if you IR Campbell you’re instead signing a guy who isn’t even on the active roster on Sunday. I’d rather have the potential for a postseason insurance policy at QB than that.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:36 am
Yes, McClain, we are told, has been suffering from an ankle problem. That would explain some of his slowness.
What the heck explains his slowness afoot all last year?
December 21st, 2011 at 10:41 am
Christmas eve game against the Chiefs with playoff hopes still alive.
Despite the recent disappointments, we have not had a chance like this in a very long time.
Time for a big win
December 21st, 2011 at 10:44 am
What’s up Stabler? Long time, well, at least I haven’t seen you in here in awhile
December 21st, 2011 at 10:44 am
“Whoever thought DHB would be an effective possession guy?
Not me, not anyone, but while I want him to succeed as much as the next person, I think you had better not jump to conclusions yet: a “possession guy” doesn’t drop a ball that hits his hands on crucial third downs and a “possession guy” doesn’t drop balls when it’s inside two minutes and you need him to hold onto it.
What do you think “possession” means? When he earns that, I’ll be the first to praise him.
All that said, he has improved. I only wish other Raiders had his work ethic and inner drive.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:45 am
And, a “possession guy” doesn’t fumble in a big game.
DHB isn’t there–yet.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:45 am
173. Was attempting to learn on the fly and QB a Pro D. Truth is, McClain was the beneficiary of gang tackling and a good D at Alabama.
Poor pick. The right one call 4 run D, but the wrong guy.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:48 am
And, a “possession guy” doesn’t fumble in a big game.
DHB isn’t there–yet.
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No he’s not, but he’s a role player and a good one.
really, anybody could have the ball knocked out in that kind of situation. Could have been protected better, of course, but from behind where he couldn’t see defender at all.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:48 am
#178–
Agree.
I wish we’d drop him in the off-season and not waste anymore time waiting for him to develop. Raiders have habit of over-valuing mediocre “talent” and let years pass. I’m okay with keeping him in case someone gets hurt, or for certain packages, but I’d like to sit his rear on the bench, for the most part.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:49 am
What the heck explains his slowness afoot all last year?
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Poor training and conditioning?
December 21st, 2011 at 10:50 am
silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:49 am
What the heck explains his slowness afoot all last year?
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Poor training and conditioning?
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How bout he’s just slow..
December 21st, 2011 at 10:52 am
Slower than Biekert, Millen?
December 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
There was talk that Al would draft the freak JPP in 2010. We ended up taking Romac. The Giants supposedly wanted Romac badly. JPP is their defensive MVP this year. Crazy how things worked out. SMH.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
Upgrade’s needed here for 2012 :
LT – 69 Khalif Barnes
C – 64 Samson Satele
MLB – 55 Rolando McClain (although 3 year rule applies)
CB – 37 Chris Johnson
Overall depth
Defensive Coordinator – Chuck Bresnahan
December 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
Always wary when a defender comes into camp all lean slimmed down like McClain did.
Never translates.
McClain demonstrated against Stafford his pizz poor tackling technique of grabbing on and using his momentum to sling guys down rather than wrapping and tackling.
Pretty important component.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:55 am
aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:53 am
There was talk that Al would draft the freak JPP in 2010. We ended up taking Romac. The Giants supposedly wanted Romac badly. JPP is their defensive MVP this year. Crazy how things worked out. SMH.
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Same thing happened with DHB & Nicks. Giants wanted DHB.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:56 am
If the decision is made that Campbell should sit or go in favor of Palmer, because Palmer has proven that he is better, then so be it, however if its made based on trying to make it work based on the Draft-Picks we have given up, then that will not be good for the organization or team…and regardless of all that Hue should be trying to get Pryor ready to be the future #1 QB.
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Did you watch the last game? In a must win game, Palmer completed what 12 of 14 for 160+ yards and a score to start the game? He finished with OVER 75% completions, and some of those incompletions were clock stoppers. I like Jason Campbell, but he never had a game that good even in high school.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:57 am
McClain demonstrated against Stafford his pizz poor tackling technique of grabbing on and using his momentum to sling guys down rather than wrapping and tackling.
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You know I think it is more of “instincts” when it comes to tackling. You look at Ray Lewis and Troy P from Pitt. They run full speed and always seem to guess correctly which direction the runner is going. A good LB does that and a bad LB…well we saw that last Sunday.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:58 am
Same thing happened with DHB & Nicks. Giants wanted DHB.
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Yeah. I think you are right. They were going to take him later in the mid first. I wanted Nicks. I saw a man among boys in his college film. But DHB will work out for us so long as we use him like we did last Sunday. Throw it short and let him run with the ball.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:58 am
I like Jason Campbell, but he never had a game that good even in high school.
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LOL.
December 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
#182: “how bout he’s just slow..”
Yep. That’s what I’m getting at. Just slow.
Matt Millen had the ability to read and react and tackle.
Biekert had heart.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:00 am
luvmarvhub Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:59 am
#182: “how bout he’s just slow..”
Yep. That’s what I’m getting at. Just slow.
Matt Millen had the ability to read and react and tackle.
Biekert had heart.
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And Romanowski had steroids.
It’s all good with Ro… he got the burner, suckas!
December 21st, 2011 at 11:00 am
RT, LG (Heyer should see some action here), DT, DE, LB (MLB and depth), RB, FS, and CB (depth) all need to be upgraded.
Xavier Nixon and Alex Hurst are two mid-round OT/OG prospects.
Raiders should find a way into the 1st or 2nd round to select DT/NTs Ta’amu or Poe.
Mario Williams and Barrett Ruud should be their priorities in FA.
The Raiders also need to figure out what they’re going to do at RB. Bush is a UFA and not built for 30+ carries a game. McFadden will never be healthy for more than half a season. Need a couple guys capable of carrying the load down the stretch.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:00 am
# GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
Always wary when a defender comes into camp all lean slimmed down like McClain did.
Never translates.
McClain demonstrated against Stafford his pizz poor tackling technique of grabbing on and using his momentum to sling guys down rather than wrapping and tackling.
Pretty important component.
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Exactly. The two plays that cost the game: the lst TD to Johnson where Mitchell is the deep help and he lets Magatron run right past him for six. What the hell was Mitchell thinking, that Gorilla Rilla was going to jump out of the front row of the black hole and provide more help over the top ? Then there is the 4th and 2 where Stafford takes off and McClain misses the tackle. I have been saying all year that Mitchell and McClain are pretty suspect. Unfortunatley, they have become the usual suspects.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:01 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
Among ‘09 draft class WRs: DHB 5th this season catches (51), 4th in yards (775), T5th TDs (3)
9 minutes ago Retweeted by @CorkOnTheNFL
December 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
I’d take Romanowski, with or w/out the “vitamins.”
December 21st, 2011 at 11:03 am
#182:
He’s slow where it hurts the most – in the head. By the time he realizes where the play needs to be made, it’s too late.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am
Mitchell has played well, actually. But injuries (and the defensive genius Chuck Bresnahan) had him playing single deep FS, which many of us have pointed out is the wrong position for him. He doesn’t have center field skills at all.
Put him on the TE and leave him there.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am
“I didn’t know he had that in him,” Jackson said. “Then, everybody told me, ‘Hey, coach, that’s what he used to do.’ I was shocked.”
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Really? Our coach didn’t know that? Really?
UNREAL.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am
Seymour B,
The announcer said Mitchell was caught staring down Titus Young coming over the middle. he took the bait that Det gave him.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am
# aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:57 am
McClain demonstrated against Stafford his pizz poor tackling technique of grabbing on and using his momentum to sling guys down rather than wrapping and tackling.
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You know I think it is more of “instincts” when it comes to tackling. You look at Ray Lewis and Troy P from Pitt. They run full speed and always seem to guess correctly which direction the runner is going. A good LB does that and a bad LB…well we saw that last Sunday.
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Lito Sheppard should have a tackling seminar for our defense. That guy form tackles as well as anyone in the league. He should teach the rest of the D how to do it. They sure as hell have no idea how to.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am
Why wasnt Mitchell on the TE last week when he had a fantastic week of covering Finley the week before?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am
Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:56 am
If the decision is made that Campbell should sit or go in favor of Palmer, because Palmer has proven that he is better, then so be it, however if its made based on trying to make it work based on the Draft-Picks we have given up, then that will not be good for the organization or team…and regardless of all that Hue should be trying to get Pryor ready to be the future #1 QB.
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Did you watch the last game? In a must win game, Palmer completed what 12 of 14 for 160+ yards and a score to start the game? He finished with OVER 75% completions, and some of those incompletions were clock stoppers. I like Jason Campbell, but he never had a game that good even in high school.
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Gotta agree with Seymour, here.
If it were really about just saving face for a trade or what you gave up for a guy then, yes, I’m with you. But with all due respect to Jason Campbell, I don’t think he’s in Palmer’s class as a QB when it comes to directing an offense and making big-time throws deep down the field. Palmer opens a whole new dimension to this offense.
I think virtually every GM in the league would agree with that. There’a reason Palmer cost us 1st and 1st/2nd round draft picks and Campbell cost us just a 4th round pick two years out from when the trade was made.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
DHB did have a great season for him. However, he still sucks compared to 85-90% of the WRs taken after him in that draft.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
#188 – and yet the haters will point to the 2 missed deep throws; one in which the receiver got hooked (throwing off the timing of the throw), and the other in which the receiver got both hands on the ball.
Outright laughable.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
#172:
I agree that IF you thought you could have JC back for the playoffs, then you keep him on the roster. What I’m saying is that even THAT possibility is a wet dream. There’s no way an injury like that suffered on your throwing shoulder 1/2 way through the season can be rehabbed in time to be in any type of NFL QB shape for the rest of the season, even if your season is extended into the playoffs. I know team trainers & doctors were probably optimistic with Hue, but if that’s the case, then they have never experienced this injury first hand.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:07 am
# aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:04 am
Seymour B,
The announcer said Mitchell was caught staring down Titus Young coming over the middle. he took the bait that Det gave him.
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His assignment was to not let anyone get behind him. That is his job. Regardless of the announcers or Stafford baiting him, he has an assignment. He failed, they scored, we lost. You cannot blame Bresnahan for that.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:08 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:54 am
Upgrade’s needed here for 2012 :
LT – 69 Khalif Barnes
C – 64 Samson Satele
MLB – 55 Rolando McClain (although 3 year rule applies)
CB – 37 Chris Johnson
Overall depth
Defensive Coordinator – Chuck Bresnahan
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-i’m sure you mean RT Khalif, Barks is his successor when he’s ready
-don’t know if you’ll find a better C than Satele in FA maybe Wiz goes to
-Romac get’s one more year with Goethel watching
-CJs replacement is DVD or Chekwa
-Need a pro DC
-Need a NT
December 21st, 2011 at 11:09 am
169.memo Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 10:34 am
Yes, the defense gave up 2 90 yard drives, however, if Hue were to just kick a FG instead of going for it on 4th down, this post would be moot. Hue is killing me with all his “go for it all” approach. He calls plays the same way I play Madden. Damn it! I’m still not over this past loss
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I agree and feel your pain Memo….nice seeing you in here again by the way.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:10 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
Crab 59-703 2 td, dhb 51-775 3 tds RT @FPNation:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:10 am
# Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
DHB did have a great season for him. However, he still sucks compared to 85-90% of the WRs taken after him in that draft.
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He was certainly more of a project as well. He came in to a tumultuous situation and really did not have a lot of help or any mentors. But as I said at the time, 6′2″, 225 pounders who run 4.2 forties don’t fall out the sky every 15 seconds. His development has been slow. Hopefully his upside hasn’t even been scratched yet.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am
Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
DHB did have a great season for him. However, he still sucks compared to 85-90% of the WRs taken after him in that draft.
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Can he improve and help the Raiders win? Who the hell cares about his draft status or contract it is water under the bridge.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am
So who becomes our DC next year? Del Rio?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:11 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
Revis 32-76 521 td, nnam 16-32 285 4, routt 37-83 470 7 td RT
December 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am
Seymour,
Sure MM34 missed that. But Boyd missed it too. That just tells me there is something wrong with that scheme. They were both caught flat footed as 81 was running by them. I hate that scheme. Routt should have stayed with 81 and should have jammed him at the line.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
The 775 receiving yards for #Raiders WR Darrius Heyward-Bey are the most a wide receiver since 2005, when Randy Moss had 1,005.
1 minute ago
December 21st, 2011 at 11:13 am
Man I miss Nnamdi. Al should have never let him go.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:13 am
203.aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:05 am
Why wasnt Mitchell on the TE last week when he had a fantastic week of covering Finley the week before?
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Huff was out.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:13 am
I think virtually every GM in the league would agree with that. There’a reason Palmer cost us 1st and 1st/2nd round draft picks and Campbell cost us just a 4th round pick two years out from when the trade was made.
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Right now if we were to trade Carson Palmer, we would be offered AT LEAST a lst rounder and probably a lot more. If were to trade JC right now, at best we would get would be a 3rd. What does that tell you?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:14 am
DHB did have a great season for him. However, he still sucks compared to 85-90% of the WRs taken after him in that draft.
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i think he leapfrogs alot of them by next year, the guy is hungry
December 21st, 2011 at 11:14 am
Stan Routt SUCKS. What happened to all the Routt braggers on here in the offseason with Routt’s stats as being top tier in this league. I remember guys like KK was bragging about how great Routt was. Dude absolutely stinks in my book for being a #1 CB.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:14 am
212.Seymour Bush Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:10 am
# Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:06 am
DHB did have a great season for him. However, he still sucks compared to 85-90% of the WRs taken after him in that draft.
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He was certainly more of a project as well. He came in to a tumultuous situation and really did not have a lot of help or any mentors. But as I said at the time, 6′2″, 225 pounders who run 4.2 forties don’t fall out the sky every 15 seconds. His development has been slow. Hopefully his upside hasn’t even been scratched yet.
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Well, I turned the page on DHB being great a long time ago.
My revised hope was that he would become a slightly below average #1 WR….I think he might be there! He may have hope to become an average #1 WR even! I hope he, along with Moore and Ford, spend some time with Palmer this offseason.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
Stan Routt SUCKS
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he’s top tier, he was taking CJ one on one, who else can do that?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:12 am
Seymour,
Sure MM34 missed that. But Boyd missed it too.
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No, that wasn’t Boyd’s man. If you are talking about the TD they scored in the lst. That is fully on Mitchell. Mitchell took credit for shutting down Finley the week before, but at least half the time, the Raiders were in zone. Hard to take credit for single handedly shutting down receivers when you are playing zone.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:13 am
Man I miss Nnamdi. Al should have never let him go.
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Was just about to type that.
Nnamdi & Routt would have been nice last week.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:16 am
I hope he, along with Moore and Ford, spend some time with Palmer this offseason.
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No doubt in my mind.
if they thought kickin it with Campbell in fkin Virginia and eating his Lucky Charms was cool, wait til they hit the beach with Palmer and hang 10 and eat some fish tacos and bang some senoritas and such.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:17 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:01 am
JoshDubowAP Josh Dubow
Among ‘09 draft class WRs: DHB 5th this season catches (51), 4th in yards (775), T5th TDs (3)
9 minutes ago Retweeted by @CorkOnTheNFL
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I think that’s pretty good, actually. That draft was loaded with WRs. Nicks and Mike Wallace were in that draft and both are top-10 if not top-5 in the game right now. Then you’ve got DHB, Maclin, Crabtree, Harvin, Britt and others.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:17 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
Stan Routt SUCKS
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he’s top tier, he was taking CJ one on one, who else can do that?
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Sorry man. We can agree to disagree. A top tier CB doesnt give up 7 TD’s and I bet you he leads the league in penalties for a CB too. Incurring up a penalty is just the same as giving up a completion no?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:17 am
Making $10 million a season and giving up 7 TDs as your team’s #1 CB… should not be acceptable.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:17 am
224.inonewordraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
Stan Routt SUCKS
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he’s top tier, he was taking CJ one on one, who else can do that?
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hmmmm, I don’t think top tier DBs constantly date r@pe WRs for costly penalties…..Routt’s talent is nowhere near what he is being paid for.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:18 am
Never agreed with the money paid to Stan. Refs could probably call a penalty on that clown on every play if they felt like it.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:18 am
Seymour,
Two big completions to CJ. the first one involved Branch and a flat footed Mitchell. The second one involved Romac and a flat footed Boyd. Same scheme and same issue. Both single deep safety got caught flat footed.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Well, I turned the page on DHB being great a long time ago.
My revised hope was that he would become a slightly below average #1 WR….I think he might be there! He may have hope to become an average #1 WR even! I hope he, along with Moore and Ford, spend some time with Palmer this offseason.
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More with the labels, great, #!, elite, franchise. Can the player help the team win?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:20 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Jacoby Ford still has not been cleared to practice.
49 seconds ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Taiwan Jones is practicing for second straight day. He should be good to go Saturday against the Chiefs.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
No sign of Darren McFadden at practice.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:20 am
Routt’s talent is nowhere near what he is being paid for.
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You can thank Dear Leader Al Davis on that one.
BTW, did you guys see the propaganda machine from NK in full motion? They claimed Dear Leader Kim Jong Il once shot a 38 for 18 holes on a 7700 yds champ course. LMFAO.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:21 am
# inonewordraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:15 am
Stan Routt SUCKS
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he’s top tier, he was taking CJ one on one, who else can do that?
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This is true. Routt has had a good year, but no one can handle Megatron one on one, and Jackson and Bresnahan could not figure out how to help him.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:21 am
Every player is overpaid. Or underpaid. So complaining about it is pointless.
Stanford Routt is a top caliber CB in this league.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
Talented team no doubt. Hue gets a pass cuz hes a rook but Bres? FIRED.
Things better be less dis-organized next season though
December 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Big John Henderson still sidelined with a sore knee.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Michael Huff working with team trainer on far field.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:22 am
234.silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:19 am
Well, I turned the page on DHB being great a long time ago.
My revised hope was that he would become a slightly below average #1 WR….I think he might be there! He may have hope to become an average #1 WR even! I hope he, along with Moore and Ford, spend some time with Palmer this offseason.
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More with the labels, great, #!, elite, franchise. Can the player help the team win?
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Lol, of course you label players. Jezuz, what are you an elementary school teacher who gives the fat kid a blue ribbon for finishing last?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:23 am
37-83 for 470 is pretty damn good though. Fewer yards allowed than Revis despite more attempts his way. About the same completion percentage. Not sure why so many TDs along with that but could just be a fluke.
As I recall Revis had similar numbers last year and was credited with giving up 5 or 6 TDs.
I didn’t agree with Routt’s contract at the time, but I feel like he’s held his own this season.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:24 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Jason Campbell nowhere in sight. He likely has played his last down with the Raiders.
56 seconds ago
December 21st, 2011 at 11:25 am
Lol, of course you label players. Jezuz, what are you an elementary school teacher who gives the fat kid a blue ribbon for finishing last?
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Any player that has made an NFL roster did not finish last.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:26 am
Routt on Megatron wasn’t really an issue. Watched the replay last night on NFLN and almost every catch by CJ and certainly all the big plays came against zone coverage or something else where Routt was not responsible for him. Routt drew a few flags, but only one that really hurt. He also broke up a few passes.
Routt on Megatron wasn’t a problem for us. It was when Routt wasn’t on Megatron that we got into trouble.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:26 am
For all the plays Giordano has made this year, he still has cost this team that much more. Too slow.
Still think Darren Sharper would have been an upgrade.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:27 am
# aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:18 am
Seymour,
Two big completions to CJ. the first one involved Branch and a flat footed Mitchell. The second one involved Romac and a flat footed Boyd. Same scheme and same issue. Both single deep safety got caught flat footed.
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Right. You can’t blame the scheme on the lst one. Mitchell was in position to make the play. He is the help over the top. He just stood there and let the guy run by him. WTF? Branch actually had pretty decent coverage. On the big play late in the game, they did a good job isolating Johnson on our LB. Good for them. Boyd should have recognized it and didn’t. Funny how Larry Grant the ILB from the Whiners seems to be a better player than the ILB we took 8th overall. Grant plays the run well, he is good in coverage, he had a very very good game on MNF. Our guy is running down the field trailing plays.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:27 am
Chris in NY, how much is a pretty penny?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:27 am
Yes Routt did cover Megatron all day….200 yards 2 TD’s biggest game of his career came against Routt.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:28 am
Not sure why so many TDs along with that but could just be a fluke.
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Not a fluke. It’s usually the same damn play. Quick slant to the middle against Routt when you are near the endzone. I believe he gave up that play 3 weeks in a row at one point this season. Then he did it again last week. I dont know why our coaching staff has not been able to turn that play to our advantage. Perhaps assign a man underneath to specifically undercut the route and perhaps take it back for 6.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:28 am
“Chris in NY, how much is a pretty penny?”
The same as an ugly one which is why fat women still get laid!
December 21st, 2011 at 11:29 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Tough to envision Darren McFadden playing Saturday, if at all rest of this season.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
All five offensive linemen healthy and ready to roll. There is that.
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CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Bryan McCann returning kicks right now. Where’s Tyvon Branch? Wow.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:31 am
244.silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:25 am
Lol, of course you label players. Jezuz, what are you an elementary school teacher who gives the fat kid a blue ribbon for finishing last?
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Any player that has made an NFL roster did not finish last.
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I am sorry to break this news to you, but the success or failures of players are judged by factoring in their draft position and contract. If a player is drafted high and makes a ton of money there are naturally more expectations on that player. With the salary cap and limited draft picks there has to be more scrutiny.
Take Bob Gallery for instance. The expectations for the #2 draft pick and making $40 million dollars was that he would be a franchise LT for 12 years. In that he was a failure. Did he become a serviceable LG? Sure. Did that make him a success story for the Oakland Raiders? Fk no.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:31 am
Weather it was Routt’s fault or not CJ had a career day against our defense the end!
December 21st, 2011 at 11:33 am
Life is full of irony. Cable was ran out of here and Hue was celebrated. Now I just saw a good article on Cable at Sea and Hue is being blasted here.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:34 am
Stanford Routt is a top caliber CB in this league.
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It’s not even debateable.
He’s garbage all of a sudden becausehe gave up 48 yds worth of catches this weekend?
Oh, because he got a PI in the last second of the game on a 6′4 250 BEAST with a 100 ft vertcial?
Bashing Routt is just as ridiculous as bashing Nnamdi.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:34 am
I can’t blame Routt for CJ’s great game. Saw McClain trying to guard CJ at least three times.
How the fk could that happen?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:35 am
inonewordraider Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:29 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Tough to envision Darren McFadden playing Saturday, if at all rest of this season.
1 minute ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
All five offensive linemen healthy and ready to roll. There is that.
2 minutes ago »
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Bryan McCann returning kicks right now. Where’s Tyvon Branch? Wow.
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Yeah, wow.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:36 am
CJ caught a bomb against cover 2 on Branch and Mitchell.
CJ caught another bomb against Boyd and McClain.
CJ caught a sideline tiptoe pass towards the end of the game against a cover 2 where Routt was not in the picture.
Take away those 3 plays, which Routt was NOT involved in, and what type of day does Megatron have?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:36 am
37-83 for 470 is pretty damn good though. Fewer yards allowed than Revis despite more attempts his way. About the same completion percentage. Not sure why so many TDs along with that but could just be a fluke.
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Red zone appearances maybe?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:38 am
For you Warrior fans…yeah, both of ya….looks like Ellis pulled a Favre:
“A former employee of the Golden State Warriors is suing the team and guard Monta Ellis for sexual harassment.
According to an email from lawyer Burt Boltuch, the suit will be filed Wednesday morning in Oakland, Calif., at the Superior Court of Alameda County and a press conference will be held afterward to discuss the allegations, the Contra Costa Times reported.
The suit accuses Ellis of sending “dozens of pictures” of “flagrant sexual contact,” to a female who was employed by the Warriors, between Nov. 2010 and Jan. 2011.
Boltuch said the accuser had photographic evidence of the harassment. He said both the accuser and the photos will be revealed at the press conference.
“You will be shocked when you see it,” Boltuch said. “It’s pretty disgusting and graphic.”
The Warriors are being accused of covering for Ellis, with Boltuch claiming the plaintiff was let go because the team “wanted to cover it up.”
Boltuch also claims the Warriors have refused to resolve the matter previously.
A Warriors spokesman said neither the team nor Ellis had a comment and they had not received the lawsuit, Yahoo! Sports reported.
Ellis, 26, was selected by the Warriors in the second round of the 2005 NBA Draft. He averaged 24.1 points and 5.6 assists in 80 games last season.”
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Routt on Megatron wasn’t really an issue. Watched the replay last night on NFLN and almost every catch by CJ and certainly all the big plays came against zone coverage or something else where Routt was not responsible for him. Routt drew a few flags, but only one that really hurt. He also broke up a few passes.
Routt on Megatron wasn’t a problem for us. It was when Routt wasn’t on Megatron that we got into trouble.
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Thank You!
Routt has basically gotten beat on a few 5 yd quick slants for the TDs he’s given up. A corner being on an island getting beat on a 5 yd pattern = he’s garbage???
Like my man said, Routt is a a TOP corner in the league.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Jhill,
You always defend the DTs on this team.
You always defend the LBers on this team.
Now you are defending Routt.
Can’t recall what you think of Huff and Branch…..but
…if none of the players are to blame, why is it that our defense sucks donkey ballz?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Take Bob Gallery for instance. The expectations for the #2 draft pick and making $40 million dollars was that he would be a franchise LT for 12 years. In that he was a failure. Did he become a serviceable LG? Sure. Did that make him a success story for the Oakland Raiders? Fk no.
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Individual success stories do not win Championships.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:42 am
264.silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Take Bob Gallery for instance. The expectations for the #2 draft pick and making $40 million dollars was that he would be a franchise LT for 12 years. In that he was a failure. Did he become a serviceable LG? Sure. Did that make him a success story for the Oakland Raiders? Fk no.
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Individual success stories do not win Championships.
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Lol, oh sure they don’t….never helps when players live up to expectations lol. Get real man.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
37-83 for 470 is pretty damn good though. Fewer yards allowed than Revis despite more attempts his way. About the same completion percentage.
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Nah, throw all that out the window.
He got a flag against Megatron this past weekend, so he sucks.
He got beat by Stevie Johnson on a quick 5 yd slant, so he’s terrible.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
Was talking to an Eagles fan last nite and he considered Nnamdi as having a rough year. Stan Routt gives up almost twice as many TD’s and Raider fans think he is outstanding. No wonder why we suck year in and out.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
CBs who make $10 million a year do not give up 7 TDs.
Could have gotten Johnathan Joseph AND Carlos Rogers for less money. Thanks, Al.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
Lol, oh sure they don’t….never helps when players live up to expectations lol. Get real man.
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I did not say it didn’t help. I point out that it is only a factor.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
Has Routt given up more TDs than the 3-4 CBs that have been scraped together to cover the other side of the field?
I don’t know the answer….but if so I can’t see how he could be considered a top tier CB in the NFL.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
why is it that our defense sucks donkey ballz?
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Because John Marshall and Chuck B are clueless.
But I’m sure you knew that.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
# Silverandblack666 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:31 am
Weather it was Routt’s fault or not CJ had a career day against our defense the end!
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I think this is the point. When a guy is ripping you a new one, you figure out how to stop it. It’s called adjustments. It is something we don’t do very well. On either side of the ball, (See Raiders, Oakland, 2011 season).
December 21st, 2011 at 11:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
CBs who make $10 million a year do not give up 7 TDs.
Could have gotten Johnathan Joseph AND Carlos Rogers for less money. Thanks, Al.
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We could have? Link? Source?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:47 am
Carlos Rogers was a FA I believe and he is having a monster year for SF.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP 1m
Routt 10 penalties nnamdi 5 revis 3 RT @aigbombers:
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There you go Routt fans. twice as many penalties and TD’s.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am
# Dakota Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:41 am
Jhill,
You always defend the DTs on this team.
You always defend the LBers on this team.
Now you are defending Routt.
Can’t recall what you think of Huff and Branch…..but
…if none of the players are to blame, why is it that our defense sucks donkey ballz?
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My take:
DT’s have played well. Very well. Exceptionally well. The DE’s have not played well at all. LB’s; terrible. Now that Aaron Curry is here, LB’s are terrible except Aaron Curry. DB’s: good. Huff and Branch, good+.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Hey Routt!
We don’t give a rats arsse that Chuck B called a defensive set that had McClain and Boyd give up a bomb to put them in the red zone.
You’re making 10 million a year!!!!!
When our defense has to defend the red zone, you need to be able to shut down megatron in single coverage!!!
You effin BUM!
December 21st, 2011 at 11:49 am
Joseph signed a contract for 5 years, $48 million. Routt’s was 5 years, $54 million.
Rogers signed with the 49ers for about $4.5 million on a one-year deal.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:50 am
Lions game he gets a pass. What about the previous games where he gave up 7 TDs?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:50 am
I always thought CB play was dependent on pass rush.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am
silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:50 am
I always thought CB play was dependent on pass rush.
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Jets haven’t been successfully getting pressure on the QB this season. Neither of their CBs have given up 7 TDs, and from what I’m told, Routt is as good or better than either of those guys, so…
December 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am
Point is your looking with hindsight, which is always 20/20.
Rogers was a 1st round bust coming off a horrible career, hence the cheap contract he signed.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:52 am
I think Hue was a good soldier when Al was still with us. As soon as Al died, Hue changed. After the Texans game the he almost gave away, taking about how much he loved that man. Really? Love? Hue only worked for him for what 2 years. The guy likes the bright lights. He has turned himself into a buffoon. The fact that Hue still won’t admit that he blew the 2 point conversion call after the Curry touchdown is downright disturbing. Basic math. The fact that he admits that he unaware that Tyvon Branch returns kicks??? It is his job to know. It is not his job to do ESPN interviews getting his nails done. Al knew what all his players did in Pop Warner. This team misses Al. My biggest problem with Hue is that he acts like he’s won something. Hue ain’t won $hit. Hue is a poor man’s Rex Ryan. A lot of talk but not a lot of winning. The clown needs to go.
Just Win Baby.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:53 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Bryan McCann returning kicks right now. Where’s Tyvon Branch? Wow.
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You really don’t want your potential Pro Bowl SS returning kick offs. Unless it is a playoff game. Which, I guess, it is……
December 21st, 2011 at 11:54 am
275.aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:48 am
Josh Dubow @JoshDubowAP 1m
Routt 10 penalties nnamdi 5 revis 3 RT @aigbombers:
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There you go Routt fans. twice as many penalties and TD’s.
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Really??????
Could you add who many times each of those guys have been targeted?
And can you add on the BS factor? How many of those Routt penalties have we all say here and said “that was BS!”? The first penalty Routt got called for in this weekend game was BS!
Revis should have been called for 2 penalties against us when he was gaurding DHB.
You really want to use flags as a point for a Raider???? Of course we are always going to be in last as we all know the refs throw BS flags against us.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:54 am
aig-raiders Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:44 am
Was talking to an Eagles fan last nite and he considered Nnamdi as having a rough year. Stan Routt gives up almost twice as many TD’s and Raider fans think he is outstanding. No wonder why we suck year in and out.
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According to Josh Dubow Nnamdi has only allowed 16 completions through 14 games for a total of 285 yards. I think your friend needs to get a grip. Those are typical Nnamdi numbers from the last several years with the Raiders. What does he expect?
True, Nnamdi does not collect many INTs because he blankets his man rather than trying to bait opposing QBs into throwing picks. However, the Eagles are also leading the league in sacks despite not having a dominant pass rusher. How much of that can be attributed to coverage sacks induced at least in part by Nnamdi?
December 21st, 2011 at 11:55 am
# silverback Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 11:50 am
I always thought CB play was dependent on pass rush.
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And vice versa.
December 21st, 2011 at 11:57 am
This Defense definitely lost a lot when Shaughnessy got hurt. Not enough has been made of this. He was playing very good football before the injury.
December 21st, 2011 at 12:03 pm
283. Way off Doc.
Hue has been amazing dealing with all this crap his rookie yr.
We’re still in the hunt with 2 games left.
December 21st, 2011 at 1:37 pm
ive seen the future
raiders win next 2 games-broncos lose to chiefs orton laughs, tebow crys to god and broncos fans lose faith and worry about next years draft and what qb they should get
raiders win afc west and chuck brez will get us blown out in the playoffs thats what go’s down if we make playoffs. only way we do better is fire chuck brez now. sounds crazy? noway mike waufle could step right in now and get us through the year better and we could try swoop up jack del rio 1min after our final game. jack is a raiders fan and a good def cord id love to have him this week as d cord he would give us better calls then this girls volleyball coach we got now
December 21st, 2011 at 1:48 pm
damn, hue how does the team know more than about your players than you
big ben damn near broke his leg and he finished the game but mc fadden sprains his ankle and has to be taught how to walk again w/suppervison
he might trip over a sprinkler head and have a career ending injury
must have a career for that to happen
December 21st, 2011 at 3:10 pm
Come to think of it. Bresnehan was never the first choice for DC. Hue has control of this team and first order of business next season is to bring in a bully minded DC. First hint, he’s surprised at the poor stats.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:07 pm
“Raiders coach Hue Jackson said during training camp that he felt as if his defense had the makings of being an elite unit.”
Elite at what? Gettin’ beotch slapped?
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:09 pm
“Jackson said Tuesday that he is surprised by the fact the Raiders defense has allowed 5 yards per carry, 28 touchdown passes and more than 27 points per game.”
Surprised? Really? Hey JAX have you actually watched any games this year? Your defense sucks.
December 22nd, 2011 at 12:19 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 21st, 2011 at 12:03 pm
283. Way off Doc.
Hue has been amazing dealing with all this crap his rookie yr.
We’re still in the hunt with 2 games left.
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This division should have been wrapped-up by now.