Bresnahan fields tough questions in wake of Lions debacle
By Steve Corkran
Friday, December 23rd, 2011 at 3:02 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Wonder what Raiders defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan thought about his unit’s collapse in the final 5 minutes or so in a 28-27 loss to the Detroit Lions? Wonder no more. Here’s what Bresnahan had to say about that game, as well as other topics in a question-and-answer session with the media:
Q: Did your scheme change when you were up 27-14 on the Lions on Sunday, as everyone assumes?
A: “If you look at the game, we didn’t do that. We stayed with a four-man rush, we stayed with our coverage approach. After a game like that, I’m not going to say I’m discourage. I’m disappointed because, going into a game, every team puts red dots on people. Hue talks about it from us on an offensive perspective, we do the same thing on defense, usually try to take out the opponent’s top one or two, maybe on a certain week, three, red tags in the deal. Well, this week we only had one. We only had one target. At the end of the day, we failed because, when you allow somebody to have 200-plus yards in receiving yardage and making impact plays like he did, we obviously didn’t do a good enough job on defense. At the 7:50 mark or whatever, after the defensive score, if you tell me that our guys weren’t excited to go back on the field for those two drives, you would be completely wrong. They were excited, they were ready to go, and we just didn’t get the job done. The penalties, the lapses in mental mistakes, we’ve got to eliminate. But that comes on my shoulders, and I’ve got to make sure we’re prepared. But they were excited about going back on the field and they were ready to execute the game plan like we had right up until that defensive touchdown, and we didn’t get it done.”
Q: Was there confusion on the zone coverages on Johnson?
A: “I wouldn’t say it’s confusion. Again, it’s trying to do too much at times. Those are things that we’ll discuss in our meetings, as far as who was at fault or how we can make it better and all that type of stuff. But, no, I don’t think it was a confusion standpoint at all. When you talk to the players and you look at the play itself, we just didn’t get it done. We weren’t in the right position to keep that ball in fron of us, and I’m talking about the deep ball at the end. Same thing in the first quarter on the long one. That should never happen, either, because of the way the coverage is designed to keep a high person and a low person on him, Again, we’ll get that corrected. I’m disappointed, not discouraged. You guys asked about the effort to Hue, and the energy, it’s been right back and these guys, they put the play behind them and they’re ready to go. But you can’t do that. We got to play on a more consistent level because you can’t give games away like we just gave that one away.”
Q: On the long pass to Johnson, two guys were in position to make the play. They lose sight of the ball?
A: “Yeah, and, again, there’s things, though, that happened at the beginning of the play that we didn’t execute properly to disrupt the whole timing of that route, and I put that on my shoulders because we didn’t get it done. We did not get it done and we will because, when you have one red dot, that red dot is not going to do what he did to us. They are a unique team, where you have an exceptional individual. That’s not to say all the other guys weren’t effective or guys that we had under control. Our two things were to stop the run game and minimize what Calvin did to us, and we didn’t get it done.”
Q: Any question of using MLB and backup safety on Calvin Johnson in a critical situation?
A: “At this time, it’s our starting safety and that’s our package. Our Mike linebacker is a middle-of-the-field player but not over the top. He’s an inside player looking for the in routes, and our safety is over the top. Again, that’s stuff that we’ll handle in our room. But, no, when you look at the entire play, it should never have gotten to that (point).”
Q: What do you make of the Chiefs offense?
A: “Well, obviously, they have a different quarterback, but this is a team that you still have to go in, and this will be a challenge for us with the run game. They do a lot of things with McCluster. But they got, really, a three-headed monster back there with Jones, Battle an McCluster. They’re going to try to establish the run. They’re going to try to get it on the edge with McCluster. They have the ability to go to the Wildcat, like they did to us in the red zone the last game. But we got to come out and stop the run and then we have to be very disciplined in our coverage. And step it up a notch and really hold ourselves accountable to make up for last week. The guys understand what’s at stake now. Not that they haven’t up until this point, but they definitely know what’s at stake and there’s a real attitude, chip on the shoulder, after the last game to make it right.”
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December 23rd, 2011 at 3:05 pm
Didn’t we already read this once?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:05 pm
pure luck?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
STEVE…
Did anyone ask Bresnahan: “When, if ever are you going to pull your fat head, out of your even fatter ass?”
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:09 pm
Next year …Chuck B DC of the Year …. For the UFL Obviously !
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Heres a tough question for Bres. WTF is your problem?
Is the game too big? Can’t handle player rotation and fielding the best players at crucial times like oh I don;’t know, the last 5 mins of the game?!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dakota
Happy Holidays to you and family up there.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
But we got to come out and stop the run and then we have to be very disciplined in our coverage.
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My bad.. After reading this quote from Chuck. I know must confess, he really is a defensive MASTERMIND!…
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
1. retread
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
**NOW**….errrrr…
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:16 pm
6.KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Dakota
Happy Holidays to you and family up there.
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Thanks KK. You and yours too!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“The penalties, the lapses in mental mistakes, we’ve got to eliminate.”
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Same as it ever was.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
# 909RaiderLifer Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
GO CHARGERS….errrrr…
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
# GoodOle00 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:15 pm
Bring back Cable!!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
What we’re getting from Bres and Hue is that the play calls and schemes are fine, its the players not executing and I get that fron Hues point and the O but on D? Clearly theres some serious culpability on the part of the DC.
It will be interesting to see what happens with Mr Davis gone. If Oakland will draft football players to replace all these atheletes who’s heart isn’t first and foremost football
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
# ohioraider Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“The penalties, the lapses in mental mistakes, we will never eliminate.”
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Same as it ever was.GO CHARGERS!!!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:20 pm
It will be interesting to see what happens with Mr Davis gone. If Oakland will draft football players to replace all these atheletes who’s heart isn’t first and foremost football
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Such an excellent point. Let’s keep our fingers crossed.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:21 pm
13. RMR, Ricochet Dvrick what ever. I can understand how you’d be sadder and more pathetic than usual on the holidays.
Merry Christams and Iggy.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Ohioraider Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“The penalties, the lapses in mental mistakes, we’ve got to eliminate.”
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Same as it ever was.
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Ugh. Why do you think the Raiders never get those things fixed?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
# ghostraiders Says:
December 22nd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Kk.. …I am taking your advice.I am now a Tebow fan too.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:23 pm
My point is that 98 yard drive was piss in the ocean compared to what has come the weeks before. If this team does not take the division, heads need to roll.
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Correct seymour, however, it all came down to that 98 fckng yard drive because all else could have been forgiven, but apparently all else that led to this thus made it piss in the ocean. unfckingbelievable.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 pm
and I put that on my shoulders because we didn’t get it done. We did not get it done and we will because, when…………….
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Taken from the book of Hue speak. Good job Chucky B.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:19 pm
It will be interesting to see what happens with Mr Davis gone. If Oakland will draft football players to replace all these atheletes who’s heart isn’t first and foremost football
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I guess that’s the answer.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:27 pm
Ohioraider Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“Did we lose that game against Detroit?I thought we won it.Are you sure we lost?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:22 pm
Ohioraider Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:18 pm
“The penalties, the lapses in mental mistakes, we’ve got to eliminate.”
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Same as it ever was.
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Ugh. Why do you think the Raiders never get those things fixed?
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I’ve said many times on here it’s the culture of the organization. Davis never held players accountable for this schit, and consequently the coaches were powerless to do anything about it.
Ever think about what the “Just Win Baby” philosophy really meant? Basically, Davis always communicated to the players that it didn’t matter how they won–messy, mistake-prone-whatever, so long as they won. Those days were long gone 10 years ago when successful GMs and coaches instilled more professional cultures grounded in discipline and accountability. Davis, ever the maverick, never changed.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Good afternoon, gentlemen.
Does anybody have any practice updates?
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:29 pm
Yeah.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:30 pm
♫♪ All we need is a miracle ♫♪,
♫♪ All we need is it ♫♪.
We only need a “W” in KC, a “W” vs SD and Denver collect a “L” in KC, that´s a total of 3 games.
Is that near of call it a miracle????
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Win the final 2 games or go to the unemployment line, Chuck Bresnahan!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:37 pm
Someone correct me if I’m wrong, but having Slowlando on Megatron was Chuck B’s version of Marshall having I believe 5 safetys against the Jags.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:39 pm
21.RaiderCrunch Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:26 pm
and I put that on my shoulders because we didn’t get it done. We did not get it done and we will because, when…………….
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Taken from the book of Hue speak. Good job Chucky B.
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“Put it on me” but hes lying cuz he thinks thats what hes supposed to do but at the same time blames it on players not doing there jobs.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:42 pm
No excuses. Weather looks to be sunny, little wind and about 45 degrees.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:43 pm
Beat the Chiefs!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:47 pm
5.GoodOle00 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:14 pm
Heres a tough question for Bres. WTF is your problem?
Is the game too big? Can’t handle player rotation and fielding the best players at crucial times like oh I don;’t know, the last 5 mins of the game?!!!
^^^^^^
I know.
It’s terrible. Just rush four and play a weak azz zone and a cover 2 which they probably don’t even practice in a critical part of the game.
See ya Chuck B!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
LMAO at Schmuck Brez trying to defend a scheme that has Slowlando and Boyd attempting to cover CJ deep.
And then there’s the genius reporter asking “On the long pass to Johnson, two guys were in position to make the play. They lose sight of the ball?”
Bwahahaha. Yeah, they were in position to make the play. Bwahahaha. Only because the ball was underthrown. The truth is they lost sight of the ball because they were busy looking at the back of CJ’s uniform once he blew past them.
Too bad the ball was so badly underthrown. Had the Lions scored on that play, Raids probably have enough time to come back and win the game.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:48 pm
Yep, the Raiders aren’t very good at Zone.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:51 pm
the same time blames it on players not doing there jobs.
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Until he suits up its the players job to make plays, his job to scheme it. He def needs to do a better job of scheming though.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:52 pm
Trade DMAC ?
Nope.
DMAC might turn out to be Bill Walton. It’s possible injuries will limit his career. But when DMAC is healthy, there’s no debating that he’s a superb player. In my book, he’s the BEST all around RB in the NFL. A devastating combination of speed, power, hands and blocking ability.
Some call him a luxury. I prefer to think of him as a necessity.
He’s the difference maker on offense.
Not interested in a 2nd round pick for him. I don’t believe that top notch RBs are as easy a commodity to find as some here seem to think. I also believe that the importance of having a solid running game and a ‘take it to the house’ explosive RB is underestimated due to teams like the Packers and Saints dominating with their passing attacks.
When the Raids dumped ‘poor JaMarcus’ (right Debo ?), I had no concerns about possibly facing him down the line.
When the Raids dump McClain, I’ll have no reservations about seeing him in an opposing uniform.
If the Raids make the mistake of moving DMAC, he’s someone I wouldn’t want to face.
DMAC is a keeper. A player worth retaining and hoping he can get back on the field and stay there.
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:56 pm
How bout we just play man 2 man the next two games …The D is too stupid to play zone and the DC is a dumb@ss ass well…
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:58 pm
Fire Chucky B!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 3:59 pm
The truth is they lost sight of the ball because they were busy looking at the back of CJ’s uniform once he blew past them.
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Yup!
Same with Mitchell in the first qtr.
He’s right though.
I don’t think the scheme was the problem. His use of the players is what should get him fired. Should have been Branch at S instead of Boyd or Mitchell.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:02 pm
Well good thing we had a red-dot on Calvin Johnson, or else he might have went for 350 yards receiving!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:05 pm
Dexter McCluster is garbage, and one of the, if not THE, most overrated player in the NFL.
That dude does not scare me one bit.
He has 4 career lost fumbles to only 3 total TD’s (rushing, receiving and returning), and averages about 24 ypg from the LOS for his career.
We need to watch for Javier Arenas. In his 3 games against us, he worked the wildcard for a TD, had a 60 yard kickoff return, and a punt return for a TD that was called back.
That guy scares me.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:07 pm
I always thought the key to a successful cover 2 was the safety play and the pass rush.
Granted we should be OK on the pass rush, but really Boyd, Gio and MM34 are going to make you sway a defense towards a cover 2?
Huey and Chuck B are not good chess players.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:09 pm
Tomorrow begins a new era of the Pacific division.
Lakers in last place and Warriors in 1st!!!
Better get used to it ladies
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:10 pm
Or…..I guess that would be two days from today, lol.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
I always thought the key to a successful cover 2 was the safety play and the pass rush.
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Remember Dexter Jackson in the Superbowl when we played against Tampa? He had like 2 picks for tds or something like that. You need a Safety with great awareness who can watch the qbs eyes and a great pass rush DE to run that Cover 2 scheme …
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Have you heard about Monta Ellis Sexting scandal?
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Another player I like in this draft is Cinncy 3-4 DE or 4-3 UT, Derek Wolfe. 6-5, 300lbs.
A bit raw, but has been productive and has improved in college, can hold edge and has pass rush moves and has a high motor.
A Lamarr Houston type, but he is just taller and has more pass rush moves.
I like him!
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:14 pm
Dubs get spanked by the JV team on Xams day.
It might get ugly.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:15 pm
People squabbing over Jordan’s lol.
Someone should tell these guys that he is now an NBA owner, and an old cranky republican.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:18 pm
Music to my ears raiderman99
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I don’t think the scheme was the problem. His use of the players is what should get him fired. Should have been Branch at S instead of Boyd or Mitchell.
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Agree that Branch or Mitch or anyone with more speed than Boyd should be the deep help on that play.
Schmuck B gets a partial pass bcz Huff was out and Raid secondary is depleted, but c’mon J, you’ve got to have a CORNER acting as the primary cover in that situation.
The scheme sucks. You can’t have Slowlando underneath, releasing to a safety deep. At worst, CJ is going to blow past Slowlando and Stafford finds CJ for a 20 yard
gain down the middle of the field in front of the deep safety help.
Got to have a corner shadowing CJ the whole way there. Unless you’ve got Ed Reed playing safety. Which the Raids don’t.
Slowlando releasing to Boyd, against perhaps the best deep threat in the game at a do or die moment ?
You’ve got to be kidding me.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Michael Jordan is a Republican ?!?
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:20 pm
Did the scheme change? Chuck B says No.
I say BULLSH!T!!!!
Rolando McClain was not dropping back 30 freakin yards in coverage during the first 3 1/2 quarters of the game.
Was there confusion? Chuck B says No.
Again, I say BULLSH!T!!!!
Watch the game, guys are shrugging their shoulders, pointing at each other after a completion because they didn’t know what the f@ck they were doing.
This guy is f’n horrible.
Please give me a real Defensive Coordinator for Christmas!
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:21 pm
Slowlando releasing to Boyd, against perhaps the best deep threat in the game at a do or die moment ?
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Incredibly stupid.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:22 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:19 pm
I don’t think the scheme was the problem. His use of the players is what should get him fired. Should have been Branch at S instead of Boyd or Mitchell.
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Agree that Branch or Mitch or anyone with more speed than Boyd should be the deep help on that play.
Schmuck B gets a partial pass bcz Huff was out and Raid secondary is depleted, but c’mon J, you’ve got to have a CORNER acting as the primary cover in that situation.
The scheme sucks. You can’t have Slowlando underneath, releasing to a safety deep. At worst, CJ is going to blow past Slowlando and Stafford finds CJ for a 20 yard
gain down the middle of the field in front of the deep safety help.
Got to have a corner shadowing CJ the whole way there. Unless you’ve got Ed Reed playing safety. Which the Raids don’t.
Slowlando releasing to Boyd, against perhaps the best deep threat in the game at a do or die moment ?
You’ve got to be kidding me.
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F’N A MAN! Great point.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:23 pm
Heck, the Sac Kings have a better chance at being better than the W’s in this short season.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:25 pm
Chuck B find ways for the defense to blow it and for the Raiders to lose games!
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:26 pm
Have you heard about Monta Ellis Sexting scandal?
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benmaller 158 miles separate Warriors Monta Ellis’ home town (Jackson, MS) and Brett Favre’s (Klin, MS.) Seems these boys have a lot in common.
2 days ago
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:29 pm
Mississippi Sexting, alriiight.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:41 pm
Why do Raider DCs always stop blitzing in the fourth quarter?
The prevent defense only prevents victory.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Sounded like the Sterger chick in the Favre issue was at least interested in flirting a little.
This chick is making it seem like Ellis was stalking her.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:53 pm
NO NO NO NO more talk about 3-4; that would be DISASTER! We do not have the personnel and it would take 3 years at least to get all the talent and coaches in place…
Just when when finally get our offense working people want to go back to the Rob Ryan DISASTER!
Remember all the fans at the colesium booing for Josh McCown when we were wininning! (with the hope that Jamarcus would come in)
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:53 pm
Although, this kind of refutes the B@uce’s claims that Ellis was homo.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:55 pm
Well, in the past Mr Davis didn’t believe in blitzing.
December 23rd, 2011 at 4:58 pm
Does anybody exactly how many draft picks we have this draft?
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:06 pm
I have to remain . Maybe T. Jones can help us on the edges,because it looks like another DMC-less Sunday, et make that Saturday. If we win out-it could happen!
Go Raiders!
Go Arkansas Razorbacks in the Cotton Bowl!
Hope the Warriors have a great year, but things aren’t looking good to start w/ Curry’s ankle and Monta’s eh, em, whatever thing.hopeful even with chucky. Bafoon
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Quick tangent…..
Reading the new SI, and there is short piece on this North Korean guy Jong, and all his fables he used to try to pass on as the truth through his “Ministry of Information” including:
-Kim shot 38 under par including 11 hole in ones, IN HIS FIRST EVER GOLF OUTING.
-He averaged 3 to 4 hole in ones per round
-He bowled 300 in his first game
-He averaged a 297 in bowling
-During the 2010 Baseball World Cup, he gave his manager “Tactical advice during games” on an invisible cellphone that Kim Jong created.
LMAO…..thought that was pretty funny.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:09 pm
Is Steve just cutting and pasting from other websites now? I read this article about two days ago
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:10 pm
That last one got mangled. I was saying that I remain hopeful that we can win out even in spite of Chucky Bafoon. The offense needs to continue to progress and we’ll be allright.
Go Raiders! Stomp the Chefs!
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:12 pm
I love the Brandon Rush trade for the Warriors.
Need more atheletic wings.
Klay Thompson ain’t ready.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:17 pm
Anyone know the status/ injury wise about Taiwan Jones? I think its time for that young man to show us what he’s all about.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:20 pm
Here’s an example of what is meant by hiring a autonomous GM.
When Al was running the show from the top down, he had a vision of tactical football, and his draft picks and acquisitions (athletics and scouting) all based off that vision.
Every other GM has a vision: athletic/scouting tactical approaches. A plan is needed, setting the theme for the entire football department.
If we hire such a GM, that’s one of the hurdles. Deciding which vision/plan we want — are we looking to continue Al’s vision, or evolving? And tactically, what do we want to be…a smash-mouth offense? a high octane spread passing team? a west coast offense? a 3-4 defense? a 4-3 defense? A defensively-dominant team like the 85 Bears, or an offensively-dominant offense like the Patriots?
These questions will be asked/answered in the GM search because it will determine to what extent a ‘blowing up’ of the roster is required.
There are other systems too. Where the HC is also the GM, who has a VP of Personnel working ALONGSIDE him. But this is not something the Raiders should do especially as Hue is such a noob/junior. You can entrust guys like Belichick, Parcells, Cowher, Holmgren, Reid, if setting up such a system, due to vast experience.
Since Al passed away, Hue has been doing that role, with Mark/Amy/Madden/Wolf serving in a non-official and temporary VP of P role. Hue doesn’t have the cred, experience yet, and has badly erred too with an array of personnel decisions.
But in short, that’s what Mark/Amy have to decide end of 2011. Which forks they take…
Hue as HC/GM with a VP of P alongside him? Or hire an autonomous GM?
If hiring an autonomous GM – someone following Al’s vision/legacy whether to the letter or incorporating it? Or someone with their own vision?
If we go down the GM with own vision, this will determine to what extent ‘blowing up’ occurs…starting with the HC and coaching staff and the roster. And we will see big changes if so.
Let me put it all this way, as a question to you all to give feedback on…
What do you want the Raiders to become?
1. A defensively-dominant team
2. An offensively-dominant team
3. A 3-4 or 4-3
4. A specialist zone or man D
5. zone coverages and blitzes or outside press man coverage and single safety high man blitzes
6. Smash-mouth O or multi-WR passing
7. West Coast based horizontal YAC passing or vertical passing
8. Power blocking or zone blocking
9. Run-stuffing DL or pass-rushing DL
These questions will determine who is expendable, thru trades etc.
As an example of all this…if you decide you want to be a smash-mouth O, then McFadden is trade bait, start looking at bigger backs, not explosive burst, dominant run-blocking OL.
If you decide you want a dynamic offensively-dominant team, with more singleback and multi-WR sets, then Bush and Reece and TEs become expendable, and WRs get a shake-up, looking for more dependable route runners etc.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:22 pm
C’mon buffalo, giants, cardinals, detriot & jaxville…oh and GO RRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDEEEERRRRSSSS
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:27 pm
Just Fk’n Win…
Destroy the Chefs…
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Another player I like is DE/OLB Vinny Curry from Marshall. 6′5, 265. Looks like a Round 2 pick, but his stock can go up.
Big, athletic, long and shows some explosiveness. He can fly all over the place and make plays, but the ideal fit is for him stand up in 3-4…however the Raiders getting him would be a great addition to the D whether they stick to 4-3 or switch to 3-4.
If they stick to a 4-3, he can be plugged in at RDE and get after the QB and hold the edge and pursue to the sideline if necessary.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:33 pm
All season the Madden Simulations of the Raiders regular season games have been unsettlingly accurate. Not only have they proven consistent on picking winners they have been more than ballpark accurate with the final score.
This week I trepidatiously approached madden after viewing the “talking Heads” assessment for Saturday’s game.
Shocker? MaddenSim gets history! They have the Raiders extending their winning streak @ Arrowhead to a dominating fifth year to the tune of 27-3. But they had Stansi as the KC QB.
But I’m going 27-13. . .this time the Raiders display their ability to again shut down Orton & keep the Chefs “O” in “park.” With Seymour regaining a bit of his explosiveness & Huff making an apperance the Raiders extend the season to the last game of the year. . .
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:34 pm
Could you imagine someone trying to give Kim a 7???
Of course he shot 38 under.
Caddie liked having his hands.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Here’s what I saw on the hail mary to Calvin Johnson, MLB and Safety looking lost even when CJ had to take a few steps back and lean in for a short/poorly thrown ball. It’s as if both of them were afraid of making a play on the ball.
Hire a top notch GM to run this thing, and lets go from there, enough of these micky mouse trades that mortgage the future of this franchise.
Havent we RAIDER FANS suffered long enough ?
LETS HAVE A RAIDER SPRING !!!!!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:36 pm
If we hire a GM, the Raiders as we know it could change forever, or at least, many of the players we have on the roster that we like could go not being schematic fits.
What Mark/Amy/Madden have to primarily decide is whether the post-Al Raiders continues the legacy of scouting/tactical vision or becomes something else.
I think they’ll look to continue, and so there’ll be sections of RaiderNation letdown by the scope of change. Could see Hue, a junior, with no credentials to be a HC/GM but ends up being that due to his “answers only to the owner” contract, continuing the Davis roster and athletic/scouting departments, with a token VP of P officially signed to work alongside Hue, but hasn’t the power of an autonomous GM, more of an aid and person who is toeing the line of the Al legacy.
So guys like McFadden, DHB, Wimbley, Mitchell, etc will be kept. And there’ll be a lot of fans here upset as they wanted a new vision that makes McFadden good trade value because RBs are not a premium in that system.
What Im getting at is currently, McFadden etc types fit our system and we do grow to love them, and think it stupid to trade them. But really, you don’t need McFaddens and DHBs etc to be successful. You just need a scheme/vision that can be run well and players can be found to fit them. The people in previous blog talking about trading McFadden, the merits of how you can use cheap late round less-speedy less injured bigger backs, are right too. If we do get an autonomous GM etc, and he envisions say a Packers-like multi-WR singleback high octane passing team, then we could see shake up, the Reeces, Bushes traded, shake-up with the WRs, maybe only Ford and Moore kept, etc.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:41 pm
The reality with the Raider coaches is that Jackson and Cable were/are both just average-and inexperienced-head coaches.
Al hired them because they were easy to dominate or would do what he said.
Neither had worked as a head coach before and no team had any intention to hire them in that capacity.
When Al hired Bresnahan he wasn’t even working and Al hired him as a last resort because no one else would sign on because Al wanted to run everything.
Al Davis, who built our team, isn’t there anymore.
What we need now that Al is dead is a strong general manager who will bring the team back and be free to hire whomever he wants as head coach.
If the Raiders don’t do that, we’re just going to get more of the same.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:42 pm
Right now I think we need another GM BESIDE Hue being GM/HC…He’s a rook and he needs things taken off his plate…obviously.
I actually like the Palmer trade and the Curry acquisition. I think letting of go of Hagan, one of the few possesion Wrs on the team, was a mistake. Housh has been pretty pedestrian but I guess helped Carson get acclimated.
As far as Defense Its a big mistake personnel wise to switch to 3-4. We have the Offense right now our D needs to get AVERAGE, then we could have won at least three more games.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:44 pm
Well this franchise has no other choice but to hire a GM like every other professional sports franchise on the planet, its just that this has been the most poorly managed franchise in all of professional sports combined for the last 3 decades.
The Raiders are already changing , and is that such a bad thing ? I’ve endured almost 3 decades of crappy teams all the while giving my heart/soul/loyalty that was rarely if ever been recipricated by the late Al Davis with all due respect.
TIME FOR A RAIDER SPRING , THE TIME IS NOW.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
GG Good Post #73. I’m so used to watching Al’s vision for the last 45 years. I don’t know.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:51 pm
The main thing I think we all agree on tho is the whole D needs to be blown up. The roster and the coaches and the scheme too.
What my posts were poking at was really a question like…our D has been terrible for a whole decade, we’ve invested so many picks into key speedy sexy offensive players, or CBs. But if someone asked me what I would like i would say…
I want a defensively-dominant team, don’t care 3-4 or 4-3 etc, just a team that is consistently in the top 3 defenses in the league for a whole decade, having a Dick LeBeau type master system in place, where the scheme is more important than the player, can find streams of less athletic/gifted players in mid-late rounds, football smarts. And to get that system, wouldn’t care if we let go McFaddens, Taiwans, DHBs, Murphys, Palmers, Reeces, etc.
If it were me, i would prefer a top 3 D team like that which gets by with an offense. Winning games 17-13, 21-3, etc.
I wouldn’t like a dominant offensive team, with the defense an after-thought. Like a Packers/Saints that win games 45-42, 38-28, etc.
I am so sick of this defense that annually ranks bottom 5.
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:54 pm
I think we need to drop the man 4 man, that was so 60’s.
:: : :: UGH : :: : : : :
Can we move on now ?
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:01 pm
I think I’d prefer a Top Ranked Offense, and a Top 10 Defense.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:02 pm
KoolKell Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 5:50 pm
GG Good Post #73. I’m so used to watching Al’s vision for the last 45 years. I don’t know.
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yeah that’s a really tricky fork. because we all love Raider legacy, Raider football, being unique and different (schematically) too. How our scouting department (that follows a system/vision) plucks out guys like McFadden, DHB, etc, that cause a stir, you kinda love the controversy, and like proving the egg-heads wrong.
and schematically, i do like Al’s attitude of man on man, all about our individual players beating your individual players, rather than a scheme beating a scheme with X&Os.
I do have great fondness love for Raider types or players we have…the reeces, dhbs, pryors, etc. Wouldn’t want them gone.
But at the same time, if we had a ‘new Raiders’, with say a Dick LeBeau Defense exactly, dominating teams, genuine playoff team that other teams are scared of come December, then I could put the past in the past, that ‘Raider football’ and embrace new success.
An offense behind that system could be so many things too, with each one meaning different players we like currently are trade bait and cuts. If one system meant such and such offensive players were no longer here.
Deep down I wouldn’t mind an offense with Pryor as the focal point. Elements of option, spread, pro-set. But whatever, the D #1 paramount.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Raiders 27
Chiefs 15
I think they will respond to the pressure. The chiefs arent a great team, esp with there injuries, but there still playing for there coach.
Keys to Victory
1. Pound the rock…even though we arent a Bully, we still have to have a mindset of controlling the line of scrimmage.
2. No turnovers, esp from Carson.
3. Pass rush…A pass rush hides all the inadequacies of a defense
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Al’s scheme worked last in 1983, that was a long time ago, specificly man on man. As far as our scouting dept plucking out DMAC he pretty much fell into Al’s lap in the 08 draft at #4 dont know how much scouting that took to take a player like that, same thing with DHB although I wanted Crabtree over Bey. However there have been genuine diamonds that Al drafted thru the years, Nnamdi, Moore to name just a few.
As far as a dominant defense I’m with you there,however it needs to be balanced with a high powered offensive attack.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:13 pm
Just one point someone mentioned…
At first I was okay with Palmer trade. Conceptually the “must win” now approach especially if Palmer would take us all the way.
But in hindsight now, I hate the decision. Combination of it being us not reaching the playoffs yet, could miss out, and also because Palmer has not elevated us to a Packers/Patriots offense that can outscore teams despite the D’s problems. Sure, Palmer is an upgrade over JC, that part no problem. But the whole thing hasn’t elevated the team. And we just threw away a 1st and a 2nd.
Palmer too will only have 2-3 years starting.
Pryor was supposed to be the future, so in hindsight, it would’ve probably been my idea to cut Boller immediately, and sign someone on the cheap to manage the offense, like an Orton, McNabb etc, and fast-track Pryor along to start. And if that meant we did not make the playoffs after being 4-2, then so be it. There wasn’t a “must win” attitude here UNTIL Hue decided to throw away two 1st round picks on Palmer.
But Palmer has not elevated us, and Hue is actually just still utilizing Palmer in the same way he used Jason Campbell. Just Palmer is a little ‘better’. In other words, it was a terrible GM decision because it’s like trading two firsts for a Manning (say) and then fitting him into THIS current JC system of check-downs, curls, end-arounds, dives, and STILL ending up 7-7
We could’ve still gotten JC-like play out of an Orton/McNabb on the cheap and reached 7-7, and NOT blown the two 1sts. We really need them to blow up this D and build something newer and better.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:18 pm
All you McClain bashers will eat some crow tomorrow when we hold the Chiefs to 60 yards rushing and dominate them defensively.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:21 pm
what are you talking about the raiders smashed the afc west last year with man to man….rivers, cassell and orton can hit against tough man to man…on th other hand megatron destroyed the raiders zone def
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:22 pm
I don’t think we lose this game unless:
-Palmer has a stinker, multi-turnover game
and
-Arenas or McCluster break one on us in the return game
Other than those circumstances, we are just a better team that matches up pretty well with them.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:23 pm
and bey is doing better than craptree this year
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
HE COUNCIL OF NINE Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:12 pm
As far as a dominant defense I’m with you there,however it needs to be balanced with a high powered offensive attack.
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Unfortunately, that’s not always realistic. Look back thru history, there aren’t many if any teams that were say a high-powered D and high-powered O, equally, and none that I can think of that won a Super Bowl off the top of my head. Can only draft 7 at a time, and of that half end up busting, so it’d take forever to build such a team, meanwhile Not For Long league interrupts that process with new coach hires etc.
Another point being, with our 2 late round picks in 2012, acknowledging the D is paramount to fix, has to be blown up, dont have too many trade value players on O or D (i count 11 on D and 15 on O) then if we are to fix the D, with only 2 picks, might mean we have to sacrifice some of that “explosive offense” by trading McFadden, etc.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@GG
I agree with must of what you said, but i think people are putting too much pressure on Carson Palmer. I never imagined him to be a Brady or Rodgers type QB, but we dont need him to be. I am fine with the trade, because one, Draft picks are unpredictable, and yet Valued so greatly. This year the Patriots had like 6 drafts picks in the first day alone, and yet how many of them can you name today. I understand draft pick are important, but Hue thinks we can win now and he acted as such..
Another note is Pryor is not ready and he’s not going to be ready for awhile. His game needs to mature as well as the way he approaches the game.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:29 pm
Post #91 in reference to the idea that Hue as HC/GM with a VP beside him is ok, that Hue has done a bunch of good personnel moves.
I disagree.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:32 pm
Actually I think I was the first to say that we trade DMAC for a pick/picks not that that really matters.
But my point is you do have to have balance to win a super bowl unless you have the Ravens D from a few years back that was absolutely devastating/dominant.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
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December 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
DaTruth91 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@GG
I agree with must of what you said, but i think people are putting too much pressure on Carson Palmer. I never imagined him to be a Brady or Rodgers type QB, but we dont need him to be. I am fine with the trade, because one, Draft picks are unpredictable, and yet Valued so greatly. This year the Patriots had like 6 drafts picks in the first day alone, and yet how many of them can you name today. I understand draft pick are important, but Hue thinks we can win now and he acted as such..
Another note is Pryor is not ready and he’s not going to be ready for awhile. His game needs to mature as well as the way he approaches the game.
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I mean it in judging Hue’s decision-making process. In hindsight, already provable, and if we miss playoffs, definitely proven…he failed (hue).
We weren’t in a ‘must win the super bowl now’ attitude until Hue traded for Palmer specifically for two 1sts. And it has back-fired because Palmer, whilst better than JC no doubt, still hasn’t elevated the 4-2 or 7-4 team into a super bowl contender in 2011 (must win now). And we could’ve still gone 7-7 anyway, by signing Orton/McNabb on the cheap. Fast-tracking Pryor…I meant as back-up behind Orton/McNabb, and giving him plenty more packages and snaps in every game, preparing him for 2012 camp and attaining starter role.
Instead, by getting Palmer, Pryor is further on the back-burner too, and Palmer getting every single possible rep and snap as part of acclimating the whole playbook right now for 2011 playoffs (which in the end we possibly fail to reach).
Thus, what the GM decision set out to do, has failed. And the cost now is massive (struggle to rebuild the D without those picks). Invested so much into the QB position with draft picks (Campbell Pryor) Hue should’ve really stood down and preserved the picks.
Just gotten rid of Boller, get Orton/McNabb on the cheap who are infinitely better than Boller, major liability.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:37 pm
If we have the Packers and Patriots in the Super Bowl, it will be a battle between the 31st and 32nd ranked defenses, statistically speaking.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 pm
The thing about Orton though, is that if we wouldn’t have traded for Palmer, the Donkeys might not have ever waived him.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
The QB must go down, and he must go down hard.
This is the time for Richard Seymour to propel this Defense to new heights. It’s what he was brought here to do…and it’s time for not just him, but for all of the D to rise to the challenges ahead.
But, mostly, it’s time for Richard Seymour to play like a Hall Of Famer, if he really ever wants to make it there.
Nasty Defenses arise in the stretch-drive, and through the Playoffs. It’s time for HueJax’s bully to show up (and stay on the field for an entire game).
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:39 pm
post #101, disagree with the idea of Hue as HC/GM for 2012, having a VP cohort beside him. Instead, prefer GM with autonomy and blowing up the D, shaking everything up, Hue can stay as HC if GM thinks so.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:40 pm
This baked ziti tomorrow is going to be off the chains.
Sauce has been cooking all day, meatballs are rolled, all the sausages are slow cooking all day, cut up the pork……………
Let’s hope I’m not at the table just drunk, pissed off and in a daze from watching my Raiders schlepp off a good start to a season.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
GG, Carson Plamer has not been playing with all of his weapons, no ford, never even played with DMAC and barely got Denarius back.
IF IT AINT BROKE DON”T FIX IT. Our offense is competitive out there even without DMAC. Why blow up our offense and re-invent the wheel?
Again if we are half way there, why start from scratch on Defense? If we change to a 3-4, we will be 3 years at least from being competitve, by that time our window of opportunity will have closed on Offense.
We have some players ready in a 4-3 and can upgrade D coordinator who has 4-3 experience e.g. Del Rio. We can upgrade the Dline for youth and the DBs for talent.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:45 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:38 pm
The thing about Orton though, is that if we wouldn’t have traded for Palmer, the Donkeys might not have ever waived him.
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Yeah, at the time we didnt have many options, but there were options. None of them particularly exciting, like Palmer, but many of them would’ve resulted in the same 7-7 thing but minus the lost picks and egg on face for “best trade ever” and “Brown winning”.
Especially (important) since Palmer is learning a system and game-plan that is the same as JC, the same playcalls, the same offensive gameplan. Spending two firsts on a ’slightly better JC’. Guys like Rosenfels, Losman, Orton, McNabb, etc could run that specific gameplan and been roughly as efficient.
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:46 pm
Mmmm, sounds tasty all right. Lots of tasty treats this weekend…starting with a great WINNERS brunch on Saturday.
Raiders win Saturday, and the Denver Tebows go down once again.
Just Win Baby…one play, and one game at a time!
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:47 pm
I’m out to dinner…
Thanks for the hard work Cork and JMcD!
Happy Holidays Raiders fans!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:49 pm
CODE BLACK, my friends
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:53 pm
raidertalk Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:41 pm
GG, Carson Plamer has not been playing with all of his weapons, no ford, never even played with DMAC and barely got Denarius back.
IF IT AINT BROKE DON”T FIX IT. Our offense is competitive out there even without DMAC. Why blow up our offense and re-invent the wheel?
Again if we are half way there, why start from scratch on Defense? If we change to a 3-4, we will be 3 years at least from being competitve, by that time our window of opportunity will have closed on Offense.
We have some players ready in a 4-3 and can upgrade D coordinator who has 4-3 experience e.g. Del Rio. We can upgrade the Dline for youth and the DBs for talent.
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Sorry, I totally disagree with this notion that the Offense isn’t broke. The offense is putrid. I mean the gameplan and playcalling. I mean seriously look back at it. Here’s some examples…
We cannot beat teams by more than 7 on offense.
Browns, struggle to get a lead against their D.
Bears, 6 Jano FGs (3 over 50), our D dominated them, but our O could never finish them off.
Vikings, terrible pass D, we struggled on O.
Dolphins, did you not see the horrendous and pathetically predictable/conservative playcalling? The constant early 3 and outs. Couldn’t at all push their D to get back into the game, and woeful from the start. Same happened with the Packers. Our O, early 3 and outs, couldnt generate points.
Then vs the Lions, we struggled again to put points up and finish them off despite possession.
The O is awful, and is as equally a problem as the D. That’s always true when talented teams lose consecutive games. Eg, Chargers during their losing streak vs Chargers in their winning streak. Both facets of play are equally responsible for that, and the differences are huge.
The D has shown plenty of times to be dominant in a game here and there, rare times, but our O has been woeful, failed to capitalize on that, generate yards, TDs. Dont forget the recent stat the Raiders went thru 5 full games not scoring a 4th Qtr offensive TD!
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:56 pm
And don’t bring up (no moore, mcfadden, ford). It’s BS excuses.
We had McFadden vs Steelers, Patriots, for instance, and got destroyed on O.
Many teams struggle thru multiple injuries to playmakers, and yes, while the production and explosiveness suffers, they still can continue winning games against good teams (eg, Houston’s recent winning streak, etc).
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:57 pm
All we need is a GM who will do the job of a GM, a good GM. And of course ‘offer’ Hue some guidance now and again, or some feedback on a 4th and 3.
Oh, and BTW, 98 fcking yards. WTF!
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:58 pm
strike out steelers from that. meant bills.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 pm
When Chucky B got word Lechler had pinned them on the 2, Chucky B probably had “98 bottles of beer on the wall” start swirling in his head and lost track of what to do to stop the Lions. No wonder they marched down the field with ease. Chucky B needs to stay focussed. Oh my oh my, what would dear ole Al have done? Oh the pain, the pain. The Pain.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:03 pm
GG Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:36 pm
DaTruth91 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 6:26 pm
@GG
I agree with must of what you said, but i think people are putting too much pressure on Carson Palmer. I never imagined him to be a Brady or Rodgers type QB, but we dont need him to be. I am fine with the trade, because one, Draft picks are unpredictable, and yet Valued so greatly. This year the Patriots had like 6 drafts picks in the first day alone, and yet how many of them can you name today. I understand draft pick are important, but Hue thinks we can win now and he acted as such..
Another note is Pryor is not ready and he’s not going to be ready for awhile. His game needs to mature as well as the way he approaches the game.
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I mean it in judging Hue’s decision-making process. In hindsight, already provable, and if we miss playoffs, definitely proven…he failed (hue).
We weren’t in a ‘must win the super bowl now’ attitude until Hue traded for Palmer specifically for two 1sts. And it has back-fired because Palmer, whilst better than JC no doubt, still hasn’t elevated the 4-2 or 7-4 team into a super bowl contender in 2011 (must win now). And we could’ve still gone 7-7 anyway, by signing Orton/McNabb on the cheap. Fast-tracking Pryor…I meant as back-up behind Orton/McNabb, and giving him plenty more packages and snaps in every game, preparing him for 2012 camp and attaining starter role.
Instead, by getting Palmer, Pryor is further on the back-burner too, and Palmer getting every single possible rep and snap as part of acclimating the whole playbook right now for 2011 playoffs (which in the end we possibly fail to reach).
Thus, what the GM decision set out to do, has failed. And the cost now is massive (struggle to rebuild the D without those picks). Invested so much into the QB position with draft picks (Campbell Pryor) Hue should’ve really stood down and preserved the picks.
Just gotten rid of Boller, get Orton/McNabb on the cheap who are infinitely better than Boller, major liability.
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I disagree with your reasoning because of the same Hindsight you speak of. There was no indication that Mcnabb or Orton would be available at the time of JC injury. And hue had to react, because it was obvious Boller was not the Answer. Giving up a two numbers ones was in no way guarantying a Super bowl birth, because in the contract, it states that if we dont get to the western conf championship its a 1st and 2nd. And another thing, Orton and McNabb arent even the answers for there own perspective teams, so what makes you think they would be for the raiders.
And draft picks rarely equate to a drastic change in the defense. An example is the 49niners def, outsilde of willis must people cant name 3 other players on there defense….Raiders need a change on defense, but not necessarily the personal, rather the scheme.
and I dont think Palmer has hampered the growth of Pryor, because the kid is not ready…If he came out in the draft this year, he wouldnt be a top tier QB prospect. His game is so raw, that he is just not ready. He is athletic as hell, but he needs to continue to sit and watch the small things Carson does to prepare and maybe MAYBE he can be our future QB
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Green Bay has the #1 ranked offense with 480 pts scored thus far in the season.
Allowed 281 which ranks them 14th, which gives them a pt differential of 183 pts which ranks them 1st in pt differential.
Take away/Give away differential. a staggering + 20 which ranks them 2nd in the league in take aways.
Thats balance.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Reporter: Chucky B, do you feel your defensive unit has mailed it in?
Reporter: Chucky B, can you explain 98 fcking yards and what went wrong?
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:21 pm
That 98 fckng yard loss was as painful as the loss to the Eagles on November 30, 1986.
Plunk had back to back bombs for TD’s to Jesse Hester. Marcus was running out the clock, fumbled on a hard hit, Eagles tied it up very late in the game and went on to win in OT. Raiders were so devestated the lost to the Seacraps next week, 37-0 and lost the final two games of the season to finish 8-8. They were 8-4 before the Eagles game. That was painful.
The Gruden bowl hurt real real bad. This Lions loss to me is right there.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:36 pm
All you McClain bashers will eat some crow tomorrow when we hold the Chiefs to 60 yards rushing and dominate them defensively.
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Sounds good to this McClain basher. Hope you’re right. Raids best defensive game last year came in KC. Might happen again, even with the slug slowlando.
Even if it doesn’t, there’s always the ziti.
Anyone got dibs on your McClain jersey yet ?
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:40 pm
been going through too many of these tough losses
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:42 pm
DaTruth91…
Regarding your post #117.
My point being, Hue spent 2 1sts (one of them a conditional 2nd), on Palmer with the idea that his better skill-set/brains/etc would take advantage of the 4-2 start, and get us into the playoffs.
That was the base thinking.
But in the expense being 2 1sts, especially that it now leaves our 2012 draft board with just 2 late picks, it thus also meant the very acquisition was a “must win super bowl now”. Because it sold off 2012 for a run at the 2011 title.
The plan was playoffs and super bowl shot.
The outcome to date is 7-7, (including 3L streak, 2 by massacre), and long odds of making playoffs at all.
Thus, the plan failed. And highlights Hue as HC/GM not being a good step forward in 2012.
It would’ve been better (in hindsight yeah, but a legit experienced GM would’ve realized this anyway), was to sign the best available cheaper vet QB, kick Boller.
If you’d known at 4-2 that we could get Palmer for 2 1sts and be 7-7 or get McNabb/etc for cheap and be 6-8 or 7-7 what would you choose? Obviously.
A legit GM would’ve also not let Boller be back-up, and with Pryor just drafted to become the future, would’ve already made sure Boller wasnt on the team, a better vet QB would’ve been signed, and when JC went down, Pryor would’ve been fast-tracked along for some packages and snaps in training/games as that 4-2 season ended up 6-8 or 7-7, knowing there isn’t a must win super bowl in 2011 feeling, but still building on a 2012 draft (with that 1st in tact).
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:44 pm
defense needs major overhaul this offseason.
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:49 pm
THE COUNCIL OF NINE Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 7:06 pm
Green Bay has the #1 ranked offense with 480 pts scored thus far in the season.
Allowed 281 which ranks them 14th, which gives them a pt differential of 183 pts which ranks them 1st in pt differential.
Take away/Give away differential. a staggering + 20 which ranks them 2nd in the league in take aways.
Thats balance.
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Large part of that is because teams get down early on the Packers, can’t contain their O, and thus fall into a pass-happy catch-up mode, which is easier to defend. Look at games where the Packers have been in fights from the start to finish, and how teams ran and passed on them. Grab the stats from those games only and assess.
They have playmakers on D galore, but they’re not a dominant D, nor even a balanced team per se. They are top-heavy offense.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:04 pm
Much respect to all on here. 123 / 119 what we have to consider is that what we have going into the draft may not be what we end up in the draft. There are SIGNIFICANT roster moves that need to be made and will be made. This will likely result in more in the draft than we have at present.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:13 pm
we should still be more fired up about the randy moss trade/jay schroeder trade. I have more faith in hue and carson than I do in shell/walsh/moss. hell I have more faith n hue than I did in al at the end there.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:23 pm
Q: Did your scheme change when you were up 27-14 on the Lions on Sunday, as everyone assumes?
A: No. We have consistently been one of the worst Ds in the league, from the first game to the last, we are specialy poor on 4th quarter, when we apride ourselves on loosing the games.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:25 pm
Q: Why the fak was Slowlando covering Megatron with less than 4 minutes left?
A: Seemed a brilliant idea at the time, unfortunately it did not work out as I had envisioned.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
98 fckng yards, WTF!
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:27 pm
Q: The Chiefs O?
A: No idea how to stop the run, they will probably run for more than 200 yds. I am really hoping Carson and the rest of the O can score more than 30, otherwise we are going to loose
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:29 pm
Chucky B defensive unit = crapshoot
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:30 pm
Q: Is Stanfor Routt a shutddown corner?
A: He would be the best corner in the league if he just covered WRs like Revis. Unfortunately he is the most penalized and overpaid player in the league.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Chucky B defensive unit = crap
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:31 pm
Chuky B is crapo.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:35 pm
Chucky B Baby = potato salad left in the sun for three days
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
lol, Macho Man. good stuff.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:36 pm
@GG
I understand what you are saying, but according to your guidelines, the raiders Have to make it to the super bowl or the trade failed.
I dont agree with that at all. Yes at that point, we had the best running game in the NFL (DMAC) but we had glaring issues and even though we were 4-2, There was no signature win.
If the raiders win the super bowl in the next 2-3 years, then the trade is worth it,
Ive seen enough of Carson to say that the trade was a good thing, because he gives us a QB that can make every throw. I dont care much about his record and neither should you, because if you put the best QBs ( brady, rodgers) in the same position of missing football for months and inserting him into a new system mid season…i wouldnt expect them to win either.
And the whole Hue=GM talk kinda bothers me.He didnt ask for Al davis to past.I think he is handling the team the best he can. The raiders will get a GM next year, and then we can judge Hue as a Coach and only a coach
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:37 pm
Up until the Detroit game Hue was coaching to get into the playoffs.
Now Hue Jackson is coaching for his job.
He loses the last two and he’s out…
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:41 pm
I need the Raiders to hurry up and beat the schitt outta KC so I can shake that 98 fcking yards issue.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 pm
If we had Ford we would not have to put up with DHB ’s shenangans
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Anyone got dibs on your McClain jersey yet ?
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December 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Carson needs to get TEs Myers/Boss involved so he won’t have to throw it to Dropsies Fumble Bey
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:45 pm
Boyd was fined 20K for the block penalty last week.
Hope that hits home to him more than costing his team, as he didn’t seem to concerned on the sideline afterwards.
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:47 pm
Sadly for all the McClain haters,this Defense is worse without him; imagine that!!!
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
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December 23rd, 2011 at 9:05 pm
142.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 8:42 pm
Anyone got dibs on your McClain jersey yet ?
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Good on ya JFB. Stick to your guns.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:24 pm
DKnight007 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:08 am
216.qodrn1 Says:
December 23rd, 2011 at 12:47 am
Please don’t move my A’s anywhere near Santa Clara. That would just be bad (not to mention all the fans there support the Giants).
Wolf is an idiot.
Let’s send the ghost of Al to him. That’s snap him out of it.
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I don’t care what is best for the City of Oakland!
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and we dont give a fugg about u dumbazz. the owners have suckered u dumb fukks into thinking they wanna win when they dont. all they do is make excuses for why they cant spend money while whiny punk muthafuhggas like u eat that sh!t up. they have the 4th richest ownership in all of baseball but they cant afford to pay cahill and gio at no more than 4-6 milly a year. seymour bush laid it down in a early post about wolff/fischer. they aint sh!t just like all of u stupid move the A’s to san ho crowd. u ol moneyball watchin biotch.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:31 pm
A’s traded Gio, ouch. Cahill wasn’t himself this yr., but i thought highly of him. A’s unloading again.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:32 pm
wannabe internet gm’s need to shut the fugg up about trading dmc and shaughnessy. dmc is a prime talent who is playing less than 12-13 games for the 1rst time in his career this year. i could just imagine the dummies in here biotching about who we picked with the draft picks we traded dmc for. some of yall are really disgusting. this is a game where guys get injured whether u like it or not. u dont give up on prime talent so easily especially when theyre young. we deserve to lose becuz of ungrateful ignorant fans like some of yall who always think u can do the job from your computer. what if the player u like that we pick turns out the way russell did? jfb talked major sh!t about russell and loved mcclain coming out. how the fugg is that looking now? all that blue collar sh!t went out the window the minute he went to decateur. now most of u cant stand his azz.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
First game I won’t be watching in a long time, maybe in 6-7 yrs, fkn job, I’ll be listening to it though, it’ll probably break the losing streak.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:35 pm
and please stop devaluing top rb’s. if u can have an elite rb with a good to great passing game then u make defenses defend every inch of the field which is hard to do. raiderman99 is right about rb’s who can score on any play. not many can do that and thats why u value those rb’s more. why would u want an average if u dont have to have 1? u should be greedy and want as many elite players as u can get. great rb’s dont just fall from trees.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:36 pm
In my trying to come to terms with that 98 yd. debacle, i think i may have found a possible bright side.
I like that alot of attention is being paid to it with the ?’s to Bres, and Hue etc. The media and fans are not just letting it go. The players would love us too. The coaches would as well, but dangit we just won’t let it go and I think that’s a very good thing.
They’d prefer to just brush it under the table and chalk it up to “we just didn’t get it done”.
Bright side is that now…finally, the “powers that be” will finally look at this broken thing and really get this fixed.
If not for the “debacle” maybe business goes along as usual going into next season with a defense that is not great, but… “good enough to win”.
Can’t say that. No ones buying it anymore. We have something tangible to point to and show a situation that probably cost us the season. Coaches, players, etc. cannot just blow this one off. EVERYBODY saw it and saw how it cost the team EVERYTHING for this season.
Something that glaring MUST get fixed and now they are forced to SERIOUSLY address it now.
If that 98 yd. nightmare forces REAL change then there might be a silver and black lining after all.
December 23rd, 2011 at 9:50 pm
I have to mention that on NFLN with Soloman Wilcots, Theismann, Baldinger, and Millen, they were talking about the Raider D and showed the 98 yd. “debacle” of course but to fortify their case AGAINST Raiders beating KC, they showed the play where Raiders only had 10 men on the field…and they were all laughing (except Millen). Baldinger: “If you wanna stop the Detroit Lions on defense, and you’re the Raiders, then you might want to have all 11 guys on the field(laughter)”. Disrespecting Raider D like they are a joke.
We go from playoff shoe-ins to joke of the show….again.
How many times does that have to happen in a season? Is that not the DC’s responsibility? Should Hue have to worry about that stuff?
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:07 pm
GG,
good posts.
“If we do get an autonomous GM etc, and he envisions say a Packers-like multi-WR singleback high octane passing team, then we could see shake up, the Reeces, Bushes traded, shake-up with the WRs, maybe only Ford and Moore kept, etc”.
While high-octane passing teams are exciting, they are also entirely predicated on qbs who aren’t injured and qbs with strong, accurate arms, and who can move in the pocket. Brees, Rodgers, Roethlisberger–all have great mobility along with their arms. Brady–can’t run, but has excellent anticipation and feet that move quickly enough to get out of trouble.
If the qb goes down with this kind of offense, forget it. If he takes a career-ending shot, forget the next several seasons.
We have Palmer, and I’d love for us to have a really balanced attack. If our running game is healthy, Palmer is a great fit. He has a good arm for the long ball, but I’d like to see Hue or our OC throw short a little bit more to backs who can run with the ball after the catch. I’d also like to see quick slants make a comeback.
I think we have the offensive ingredients for a balanced attack as long as we add some offensive line help.
The D? Hey, I’d just love to have a good D as I think our offense can put up enough points to win most games if they are good, if not great.
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:09 pm
I meant to add that since Palmer can’t run as those other qbs I listed, we need to go with a balanced attack, and why not, since we have the ingredients.
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
Armond,whats goin on young fella?Anyone wanting to trade DMac or Shonasty is an idiot,imo Im hoping TJones will help out Bush in the mornin,and keep Reece involved.DHB,Min of one td,DMoore the same. RAIDERS
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:14 pm
The Raiders listed 16 players on the injured list. That’s 30 percent of the team.
Does this seem a little high to anyone?
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Is Chuky B on the injured list? that would be addition by substraction!
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:22 pm
Why trade Shaughnesy? perhaps the teams best D player. Trade Slowlando! dude is a half effort bum!
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
na, we aint trading damc or shaughn, just blog bs
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Q: Why did the D give up over 400 yards?
A: Every game its the same thing, we just need to tweak the little things (like tackling & looking at the friggin ball!)
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:26 pm
dmac
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:28 pm
gotta love Slowlando, gave up 36 points in the first half to GB, and tells the press he is not worried cause his mom told him he played great!
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Like Hue, but he got too cocky for my liking at times, we didn’t win Sheet but he’d have that swag like we did. I was coo w/ him being emotional and all after Al’s passing, but the stubborness of not going into a more conservative gameplan when needed made me wonder. Add to that the back2back losses to kc & den @ home, and b2b blowouts on the road after being in the driver’s seat. He should’ve had this team more prepared IMO.
December 23rd, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Q: What do you make of the Chiefs offense?
A: “Well, obviously, they have a different quarterback, but this is a team that you still have to go in, and this will be a challenge for us with the run game. They do a lot of things with McCluster. But they got, really, a three-headed monster back there with Jones, Battle an McCluster. They’re going to try to establish the run. They’re going to try to get it on the edge with McCluster. They have the ability to go to the Wildcat, like they did to us in the red zone the last game. But we got to come out and stop the run and then we have to be very disciplined in our coverage. And step it up a notch and really hold ourselves accountable to make up for last week. The guys understand what’s at stake now. Not that they haven’t up until this point, but they definitely know what’s at stake and there’s a real attitude, chip on the shoulder, after the last game to make it right.”
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December 23rd, 2011 at 11:18 pm
The thing that slays me about the talking heads sect. Yhey have no sense of history.
All they know is this Chefs team on a windy day where the Pack was noticeably off their game & hung an “L” on Green Bay.
You know what was next; wow!! The Chefs have created the bluepring that will solve the Pack. . .
Only later in the week when asked Aarn Rodgers said this was the gamepan they’ve pretty much seen all season, even one week earlier against the Raiders. . .
The talking heads went on to claim the Arrowhead home field advantage too insurmountable for Oakland to overcome.
Trouble is the Raiders currently have won on Denver two straignt years, They’ve won in San Diego two straight years.
The Raiders currently hold a four game winning streak in KC (Masterpiece!)! And NO acknowledgment!
Raiders 27 Chefs 13
December 23rd, 2011 at 11:24 pm
. . .So, a Chefs team that lost last year @ home to the Raiders with Eric Berry, Jamaal Charles & Tony Moeaki, TE in the lineup will beat them tomorrow?
Not the way the Raiders are feeling. . .Meltdown @ Oakland? Last week’s game? Yeah. Raiders game all the way (although I hesistate in saying, “book it!”).
December 24th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Fire Bresnahan NOW!!!!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 9:04 am
go buffalo.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:02 pm
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