By Jon Becker
Friday, December 23rd, 2011 at 10:37 pm in Oakland Raiders.
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I don’t know anything about Mark Davis, but he may have a hard-on for building his own legacy here since AD passed away. He could clean house from top to bottom next year. Maybe he’s been sitting by and watching the same way we all have for the last ten years and thinking he could do things better when he gets his chance. Time will tell.
I’m one of those fans that believes 1 season just isn’t enough to turn around a team….
I also agree with this post. And in regards to the last part, I can see that happening too.
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 7:45 am
Hue is who he is. He is a guy who wants to the attention, wants to win but also win pretty, and have HIS offense be the focal point of all the attention. And for the most part, he has succeeded, as he has done a great job with our offense for the most part.
But even if he wins out or loses out, he will be gone by the time his contract is up. Either he will be canned, or he will seek more camera time elsewhere.
Orton is scared to death of the Raiders, I bet he didn’t get any sleep last night because he was having nightmares about Lamar Houston.
CODE BLACK IN KC TODAY!
But I would agree that if Hue loses the team , then he must go…that’s the key that I judge our situation…..
Two games left… I wanna win them both…. I’ll worry about changes later…
You don’t see signs already Fingers that Hue has lost this team? If not the whole team, sections of it, or at least members of it.
There have been indications of that here and there thru the season. Personnel moves, game-plans, who starts and who isn’t getting snaps, play-calls, and no doubt post-game press conferences that the players later talk about between themselves. Certain so-called leaders have been all over the shop. Players have left snippets of sound bytes post-game.
The actual play on the field suggests that too. Those games where they just don’t show up.
I’d argue that being down 34-0 in two straight games is a pretty good sign you’ve lost your team. The Raiders aren’t that bad of a football team. It means they aren’t playing for you.
GG… No not yet… But that doesn’t mean he hasnt.. You may be right… But I suspect that Bresnahan has lost the team… Hue.. Not sure yet..
I thought the team showed up to play the Lions… And that Bresnahans schemes during that last 7 minutes lost the game… Do I thinks those missed plays on offense cost us those games?.. No.. A defense should be able to hold a 13 point lead with 7 minutes…
Players play for each other and for their coach(es). When you have certain members of a team playing hard and others not, suggests division. When players are united and believe in their coach (either thru love for him or fear of him) you see that exact thing where all players play their assignments together, no clowning about on the sidelines by players who commit fouls or blow coverage. No players on the field turning to each other after a busted play arguing about who should’ve done what and who was supposed to cover who. A united team instead one guy pats the other on the head and says, it’s cool, get the next one.
We DO see certain groups of players united currently, and certain groups arguing and clowning. The defense is especially divided. There’s more brotherhood and patting between the receivers for instance.
I don’t presume to know, or be right about all this, but that’s what it appears to me watching years of football and team sports.
no freakin zone bs!!!!!
A defense should be able to hold a 13 point lead with 7 minutes…
Well, like I said the other day . . . As awful as those last two drives by Detroit were, the Raiders defense only gave up a net 7 points in the second half (gave up two TDs, but scored one as well).
The defense may have disappeared during the last three minutes of the game. But the offense disappeared almost the entire second half of the game. Three points was not acceptable. If they even got one more FG (other than a 65 yard attempt), they win the game.
Who is Jon Becker, Cork’s gal friday?
I agree with you GG on post 61.
There are guys out there playing their @sses off to try to help this team win. Then you have guys goofing off and not staying focused. The D should be on the sidelines with their position coaches going over mental errors, cause they have enough of them to review. I did see Woodson last week with his guys which was good.
If the entire team played with passion the O line had and DHB(with the exception of the fumble) we would be in better shape.
Another thing that creates division is when players start disliking/distrusting other players. Usually the highly-paid rookies and youngsters who are slacking off. Like Russell was detested, see comments by Schilens etc in his final year, like “what did you think about Russells play….”NO COMMENT” lol.
And I’m guessing the McClain incident before Miami probably triggered something there too. Guys who get favoritism. Double-standards. But any ill-feeling towards McClain might have even started sooner, cos he’s always shown from game to game one day lackluster and doesn’t control his assignment, hurting the rest of the D on a play where they all played hard and had won their assignments.
Madden called it that ” Zonie Thingy”.. About why the Raiders gave up that 98 drive
Deja… Yep.. I saw Woodson just animated on the sideline talking to the DBs at one point ..
Last week the Raiders had 98 problems and that b*tch Bres was one.
Good post #63 Raiding Texas…
It’s been something I’ve repeated often of late, after seeing so many posters here talking highly of the offense and play-calling, imo incorrectly thinking the O has been playing really well and that it’s just the D killing us. There are many drives and whole halves or even full games (rarer) when the D has been dominant but the O has been the liability, the predictable stupid play-calls and three and outs after the D has busted their balls getting a stop finally after a few first downs occurred, then the O goes and turns the ball over or thru insipid play-calling meekly goes three and out. In this pass-happy soft rules NFL of today, especially D players can get so tired and frustrated when they do good only for the O to so cheaply give the ball away or 3 and out.
I Do remember someone asking Cork if the Raiders liked playing for Hue…. His answer was … They love playing for Hue… They love that he holds them accountable….
That may have changed ….I don’t know… But we might get an answer these last two games..
I don’t know about the O playing ” Really well” but I do know that the Defense let us down in some key spots ..I’m thinking 2 or 3 loses due to Coverage breakdowns…
Anyway… I’ve got company.. And my girls giving me that ” look”.. So I’m out for a while….. All you guys enjo your day and I’ll talk with ya later…..
Merry Christmas … Go Raiders
Beat the Chefs…
It’s doesn’t help that Huff and Henderson will be out with injuries. I hope we don’t see Boyd in the lineup AT ALL today! I damn near head butt my TV last week with his dumb @ss plays.
As we all watch this game today, just take notice of how players interact with each other. Position groups that seem tight-knit and encouraging. Other position groups always jawing. Maybe a player from one position jawing at a player from another position. Guys clowning after doing something that hurt the team like they already made up their mind at some point in the game or the season when they said to themselves “ah eff it, this team aint going anywhere, i dont care, not like im gonna be here next year or want to be”
Take notice of the unity or division both when things are going well on the field, but also when things go bad on the field.
If Huey has lost this team it started with the signing housh and letting Hagan go. Thats when players might have started wondering WTF?
#76, could be the first domino piece that moment, Utahraiderfan
Fans of the Oakland Raiders feel like we have enough passion to spark the team to a win against the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday, December 24, the question is, do the players have as much fire and passion as the fans? I’ve heard many comments recently that the team doesn’t have near the heart that the fans in Raider Nation do.
Quarterback Carson Palmer commented on the Chiefs’ game against the Packers, he said “he believes the Chiefs defensive success against the Packers was the result of execution at all the positions.” Palmer added, “[They] covered the receivers, got pressure on the quarterback, and there was little to no run game. They had a couple nice plays here and there, but they tried to throw the ball on them and it was a tough day. Both corners are really good, really physical, fast. They’re safeties are rangy and they’ve got Tamba Hali on one side and a bunch of good pass rushers around him. So, it’s just a really good unit top to bottom.”
We’ve got to contain Hali and play lights out on D in order to win this game. Everyone needs to execute or we’ll be talking draft next week.
Looks like the Raiders may get a chance to send Norv packing a second time in his career:
Report: Norv, Smith’s jobs depend on last 2 weeks
At the beginning of December, the idea that Norv Turner could survive into next season as Chargers head coach was borderline laughable. San Diego was 4-7, dead in the water for the playoffs and Turner was as good as gone. Over the last three weeks, though, things have changed — and it appears Norv can save his gig.
In fact, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune, the jobs of Turner and GM A.J. Smith “hinge on results in the final two weeks.”
Put simply, it sounds like the Chargers winning out — they play at Detroit on Christmas Eve and then at Oakland on New Year’s Day — will save the jobs of Turner and Smith.
Deja Vu Says:
or we’ll be talking draft next week
There’s not much to talk about there. That conversation will be short. LOL
LOL yeah going to be a long offseason for us. With the very few picks we do have i hope we get a RB (cause i’m sure Bush wants to get paid and i can’t blame him) and the majority needs to go on D. We have the sh!ttiest depth (besides D line) at Safety and LB. Not enough picks so FA is an option depending on the salary cap.
The man everyone has their eyes on lately is Chuck Bresnahan, defensive coordinator. Bresnahan says, “We have got to come out, stop the run, and then we have got to be very disciplined in our coverage, and step it up a notch and really hold ourselves accountable to make up for last week. The guys understand what is at stake now and not that they haven’t up until this point, but they definitely know what is at stake and I think there is a real attitude chip on the shoulder to make it right.”
I hope you’re right Tubby, not like a win will save your job anyway!
Just stopped in to wish the Raider Nation a Merry Christmas!! I hope that the Raiders give each and every one of you an early present today. A Raider Win!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 4:27 am
A brutally honest article England.Should be put on the noticeboard.
A merry Christmas to you and your family England.
Thanks Neil. Sorry, I missed that
Merry Christmas to you and the family also.
I hope it’s not snowing in your part of the UK. It’s bloody balmy here!
Merry Christmas, happy Hanukkah, and happy new year to the Raider Nation.
And if you’re not in the Nation, go screw yourself.
76 is spot on.
A veteran Head Coach would have known better.
Just Win Baby.
We need a Giants and Cardinals victory more than a Bills victory.
I don’t think the division is as conceivable as a wildcard, because after we beat the Chiefs today, they will have nothing to play for next week in Denver, and unless the Donkeys lose that game, we have no shot at the division.
Nicked guys will sit it out for them next week, and they may even give Ricky Stanzi some looks at QB.
Eddie Mush, what’s up you high roller?
Who do you like today?
Eddie Mush, lol.
Anyways, Merry Christmas Nation.
jfb i know u still like rolando. i was just pointing out others on here who have turned on him.nothing wrong with standing by your word until proven wrong. if swithcing to a 3-4 next year makes him better then im all for it. we catered to dmc’s running style on offense so we should do the same for ro on defense. i believe we win bigtime in kc today as well as next week against san diego. wont be surprised if we play our 2 best games now. the question is will it be to late. we need help but its not unreasonable to see the giants and cards winning.
Come on Eddie, hook a brother up.
I need the money.
Tell me who you like so I can bet the other way.
i think kc will want to beat the hell out denver. orton will play against them and never underestimate a team having a chance to eliminate a division rival. remember when we did that to kc in 99? the chefs will be in the same situation next week against those donkeys.
“If Hue has lost this team…”
This team was kicking Detroit’s a$$ by 13 late last week. Come on, man. There are no locker room problems.
There are D problems. That’s it.
Bottom 3 D.
Hue’s doing his job.
All I want for Xmas is for my Boyz to beat the ish out of the chiefs for 60 min. LETS GO RAIDERS!