Raiders hang on for victory over Chiefs despite poor play
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, December 24th, 2011 at 5:17 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders coach Hue Jackson bowed his head as Sebastian Janikowski’s 36-yard field goal sailed through the uprights and gave the Raiders a 16-13 overtime victory over the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday.
On the one hand, Jackson no doubt was thankful that the Raiders won and kept alive their slim playoff hopes. On the other, he had to be wondering how his team won a game in which it played so poorly.
The Raiders won despite two interceptions thrown by quarterback Carson Palmer, 15 penalties for 92 yards, 435 yards allowed by the defense and a Chiefs kicker missing two field goals after making 22 straight since late September.
Jackson doesn’t have to be told that his team didn’t play playoffs-caliber football. They won because Richard Seymour blocked two field goals, including one at the end of regulation. They won because Palmer completed two deep passes, one for a touchdown to Denarius Moore, the other to Darrius Heyward-Bey two plays before Janikowski’s game-winning field goal.
Yet, Jackson has to know that such play won’t take the Raiders far in the AFC Playoffs, if even out of the first round.
At this point, Jackson and the Raiders are just thankful that they have a chance at all. The playoffs scenario is broken down in the previous post.
In short, the Raiders need to finish ahead of the Denver Broncos to win the AFC West. The Raiders host the San Diego Chargers, the Broncos host the Chiefs.
If that fails to materialize, the Raiders need to beat the Chargers and hope the Baltimore Ravens beat the Cincinnati Bengals for the Raiders to win the second wild-card berth.
PENALTIES AREN’T GOING AWAY
Jackson can cease talking about how he is going to remedy the penalties issue. That won’t happen until next season, if ever.
The Raiders committed 15 on Saturday, marking the third time they reached that figure in 15 games. They now are at 155 penalties for 1,294 yards.
The NFL records are 158 for 1,304 yards by the 1998 Chiefs. The Raiders break both records with four penalties and 11 yards against the Chargers.
GIORDANO COMES UP BIG … AGAIN
Safety Matt Giordano has four interceptions this season. All four came in Raiders victories and played pivotal roles in the outcome.
On Saturday, Giordano intercepted Kyle Orton in the end zone, snuffing out a promising Chiefs drive. In retrospect, a field goal there would have been the difference in the game.
Giordano also scooped up a loose ball after the first blocked field goal, at the end of the first half. Oh, and he finished with a game-high 10 tackles.
Not bad for a player who was cut at the end of training camp, only to be re-signed before the regular-season opener.
WIDE RECEIVERS COME UP HUGE
Palmer completed only 10 passes to his wide receivers. However, one went for a 61-yard touchdown to Moore in the third quarter to give the Raiders a 10-3 lead. Another one went for 53 yards to Heyward-Bey early in overtime, and it set up the game-winning field goal.
Overall, Palmer struggled for most of the game. He had three passes intercepted, though one was negated by a pass interfernce penalty.
One of the interceptions came as Palmer got hit on a play when he should have thrown away the ball or taken a sack. The other came when Palmer threw deep … into triple coverage.
DEFENSIVE LAPSES RESURFACE
The Chiefs needed only 1 minute, 2 seconds to march 80 yards and tie the game in the fourth quarter after the Raiders had taken a 13-6 lead. They also marched into field-goal position at the end of regulation despite taking over at their own 33-yard line, with only 16 seconds left.
The Chiefs managed 116 yards in only eight plays on those two drives. It proved reminiscent of the Lions cobbling together back-to-back touchdown drives that covered 169 yards in a little more than 4 minutes last Sunday.
JANIKOWSKI COMES UP HUGE
The value of a reliable field goal kicker showed up once again Saturday. It proved to be the difference in the game, too.
Chiefs kicker Ryan Succop had two field goals blocked, when either one could have been the difference in the game. Janikowski converted one in overtime for the victory.
Janikowski’s performance Saturday should be enough to ensure his first Pro Bowl selections, when they are announced Tuesday. His lone miss Saturday came from 58 yards out — it came up just short.
TRICK PLAY FOILED
Credit Jackson and special teams coordinator John Fassel for dialing up the right call when they had holder Shane Lechler flip the ball to Brandon Myers on a field-goal play.
Myers rambled for an apparent touchdown. But, no, the play got wiped out because the Raiders failed to get off the snap before the play clock ran out.
That has to be on Lechler, and it boggles the mind how the snap can’t be expedited as the clock nears zero. The 5-yard penalty compelled Jackson to stick with a field-goal attempt on the ensuing play. That’s when Janikowski came up 1-yard shy of converting from 58 yards.
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December 24th, 2011 at 5:22 pm
FIRST 11 THERE IS A GDO!
December 24th, 2011 at 5:23 pm
Man, was that uninspiring or what. Had Jackson called a time out after that 10 second run off, Oakland would have had time to do something at the end of the half after the blocked kick and run back, but no… Talk about Palmer playing like a rookie. Bomb passes sprinkled in with too many “what the hell was that pass” stuff thrown in.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
that felt so good after years and years on this blog.. id like to thank cork.. u are an average blog writer at best . id like to thank MR . u filthy 49er fan. and id like to thank my lord and saviour,..
December 24th, 2011 at 5:26 pm
Raiders tied for 1st place!
December 24th, 2011 at 5:27 pm
This X-mas dinner tastes like………….
VICTORY!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 5:29 pm
doriangray Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 5:25 pm
that felt so good after years and years on this blog.. id like to thank cork.. u are an average blog writer at best . id like to thank MR . u filthy 49er fan. and id like to thank my lord and saviour,..
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Ha ha ha ha!
December 24th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
and the negative raider fans come back in ..uhh.. now!!! u guys are ruining our energy .. the law of attraction jus hates the raiders cus u all are always negative . the universe just doo doos on our team . lets think greatness. enjoy a win dangit
December 24th, 2011 at 5:30 pm
The Bronco’s game is scheduled to be played the same time as our game next week, but I think someone will get flexed.
Would prefet that it was their game. How big of a downer would it be to get flexed in, but be eliminated from playoff contetion before kickoff from not getting the other losses we need?
December 24th, 2011 at 5:31 pm
They won because Richard Seymour blocked two field goals, including one at the end of regulation. They won because Palmer completed two deep passes, one for a touchdown to Denarius Moore, the other to Darrius Heyward-Bey two plays before Janikowski’s game-winning field goal.
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They also won because they came up with a big 4th down stuff (2nd consecutive week), picks by Routt and Gio, and a McClain deflection that held KC to a FG.
There were some good moments on defense.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:32 pm
That pick by Routt and the tip pass by Rolando at the goalline, were the big plays of the game.
Huge, huge point swings those two plays turned out to be.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:33 pm
Just Win Baby!
that’s all i asked for,
the gutwrenching drama was a bonus i guess…
It’s never easy for this team, same as always,
just imagine 60 minutes of properly executed football?
Happy Holidays Nation!
December 24th, 2011 at 5:34 pm
What THEIR SAYIN ON THE CHIEFS BLOG
december 24 5;24
redheadleroy : i mean , why did we even bother to beat the pack if we cant handle the raiders ? this just ruined my xmas party. fire crennel .
December 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
GUYS It’s not that simple if we win, CIN losses, TEN wins and JETS lose, Tennesse is in but if there is a quadraple tie with a JETS win we go in. In short if CIN loses and Tenesse wins we have to hope for a Jets win as well. COMPLICATED
December 24th, 2011 at 5:35 pm
Raider Nation-Station
Merry Christmas!~ 12-24-11: SPECIAL TEAMS SAVE SEASON
J.Kow and Co. defeat the Chiefs the refs and keep Oakland alive and in the hunt…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_regular_season
December 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Best position Cincinnati can get right now for our 1st round pick in 2012 is the 13th spot [and that's only if we lose and all 7-8 teams win (AZ & Sea both 7-8 play each other)].
December 24th, 2011 at 5:36 pm
Its a very Raider Christmas
December 24th, 2011 at 5:37 pm
Who does the jets play
December 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Jets at Mia
December 24th, 2011 at 5:39 pm
Imagine if everything goes well and the Jets lose to Miami. That would suck
December 24th, 2011 at 5:40 pm
Hue and the Raiders thanks for the X- Mas gift. Carson take care of the ball!!!! Carson thanks for getting the ball where it needed to be at the end.
Happy Holidays Raiders Nation.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:41 pm
just fire your #8 posts makes me think now that the flex game will either be the Baltimore vs. Cincinnati or Kansas City @ Denver; because if both front-runner teams win their flex game would be irrelevant involving anyone else.
Thee’s no way on God’s green earth, Fox is giving NBC a waiver to have the Dallas at New York game.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:43 pm
New York Jets have the worst case scenario, they have to hope everyone loses, except Denver.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
In the 2nd INT but also a would be INT Pamler threw slow passes. I believe he did that fearing a throw with too much heat like last week
December 24th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
Atlanta is in should Green Bay defeat Chicago, with San Francisco winning the game becomes rellavant for home field advantage.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raidersvideo#
Pumped up DHB
December 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Carson Palmer,the new MAD Gunslinger.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
i wonder where that raider fan idiot is that said interceptions dont hurt . bringin up ken stablers ints.. u freakin moron.. really ? carson ints hurt. the raiders cannot afford turnovers like say , the pats can.
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& stop bringin up crap that happened in the 70`s . its 2012 ./..
December 24th, 2011 at 5:49 pm
Raiders need to win to be above .500 since I can’t remember when.
Raiders need to win to have a winning division record, going 3-3 in the division after being undefeated last year is unacceptable.
Raiders need to win as it is a divisional rival game, and we do not want San Diego to be able to say they knocked us out of the playoffs.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
us raider fans talk bad bout the late great al davis living in the past .. but so do we, i dont wanna hear nuthin bout plunkett , stabler . howie long .. jruss.. lol… ..
.. or any old raider team.. nor do i wanna hear about what worked for teams in the 70s and 80s,,, walter payton would get smashed in todays game.. and so would jim brown.. lets see jim brown try to run over patrick willis..
December 24th, 2011 at 5:50 pm
Two major components I like about the Raiders future, a solid offensive line and a good wide reciever corp.
December 24th, 2011 at 5:55 pm
26.hendu Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 5:47 pm
Carson Palmer,the new MAD Gunslinger.
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Lol.
Those were two nice long bombs.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:08 pm
another small reason for the Raiders to win, at 9-7 it would put our draft spot in the 18th spot at best for now Cincinnati’s 1st round selection.
You know Mr. Palmer would love to eliminate Cincinnati from the playoff picture.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:09 pm
JIM BROWN WOULD CARRY PATRIC WILLIS 5 YRDS AND DROP HIM N HIS A$$. THIS IS A RAIDER BLOG..
December 24th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Raiders gave up zero sacks today.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:10 pm
Well, this was one of the weakest showings this year on the Prediction Board in terms of numbers. I, too, am still in shock about the Detroit game. Nonetheless, a few brave souls put for a prediction.
One of those was exact. Congratulations GG. Great job. Hopefully, next week will be full of vim and vigor (participation). And thank you, I am almost recovered.
THE RAIDER PREDICTION BOARD
Dedicated to the legacy of Al Davis
Protected by the rally squirrel and Coliseum rodents
2011 Raider Games
First: Ghostraider (exact score) Raiders 23 Broncos 20
Second: Sullivan44 Buffalo 38 Raiders 35
Third: Pretty Rick Raiders 34 Jets 24
Fourth: Sullivan44 Patriots 31 Raiders 14
Fifth: Fingers Raiders 24 Browns 17
Sixth: Zymurge Chiefs 28 Raiders 0 (WTF)
Honorable Mention: LA for PAIN
Seventh: Noone…at all. Broncos 38 Raiders 24
Eighth: La Milicia Negra (exact score (sadly))
Ninth: TheToozFan55 (exact score) Raiders 24 Bolts 17
Tenth: TRIPLE TIE (Exact score) Raiders 27 Vikings 20
R8eray + Just Fire Baby + The Big Banana
Eleventh: Beware of Raiders Raiders 25 Bears 20
Twelfth: Autopalm77 Dolphins 34 Raiders 14
Thirteenth: Sullivan44 Packers 43 Raiders 16
Fourteenth: Raiderdav Detriot 28 Raiders 27
Fifteenth: GG Raiders 16 Kansas City 13
Antispy3 Raiders 27 Chefs 13
Chris in NY Raiders 20, Chiefs 13
ElkGRaider Oaktown 24 Chefs 10
fingers Raiders 33… Chefs 17…
GG Raiders 16 Chiefs 13
ghostraiders Raiders 33 k.c.. 17
imaquaman raiders 24 chiefs 17
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders 28 Fat Red Aholes 20
qodrn Raiders 27 Chiefs 24
raidermarty RAIDERS 23 queefs 13
RaiderRetribution Raiders 31 – Kansas City 10
Silverandblack666 Raiders 13 Chiefs 10
December 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
well said 33
December 24th, 2011 at 6:11 pm
They won because Richard Seymour blocked two field goals, including one at the end of regulation
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I seem to remember lots of people in here saying Seymour sucks and needs to go. Well he just may have made two big plays to save are season. Palmer worries me a lot throws way way to many picks by now he should be in form I’m worried. Dhb turning into a stud can’t argue that. Defense is um ah you guys no. I no for a fact chuck b is gone hue would fire him now if he could but seasons almost over. I think that’s why after the game he reacted the way he did.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:12 pm
Just a few things on the game and a few things in general, D Moore looks awesome so smooth and fast makes me wonder just how good this young man can be. IMO probably the best pure wide receiver since Tim Brown was drafted.
Sorry Chuck but you gotta go dude, again the Raiders were gashed several times for large chunks of yardage. I still think we have one of the best defensive front lines in football and our linebackers are more then solid. It’s the schemes that are terrible.
Would have been great to see DMAC in this game, he’s weapon X out there, he’s a threat to take it to the house on every play with that 4.3 speed of his. In addition to that he’s got good hands on those short outlet/swing passes that cause linebackers fits. Theres only one problem he wasn’t out on there today.
I’ll stick to my guns when I was the first to say trade him , although I know that’s not going to happen.
This team would probably be 10-5 right now at least instead of 8-7. Just his presence alone would make Carson Palmer look like a pro bowler and make the defenses job alot easier.
Congrats to Hue in getting his team to fight till the bitter end and not throw in the towel when things got rough. Feels awesome that we beat KC in their house for the 5th straight time in O/T no less. Hate the freakin chiefs !!! LOL
All that being said this win wont matter to much if we dont win next sunday, and get help from the Broncs. Shame that we have to rely on another team/teams to get a shot at the playoffs but I guess thats just the way it is as this point.
RAIDER SPRING !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 6:20 pm
THE RAIDER PREDICTION BOARD
Dedicated to the legacy of Al Davis
Protected by the rally squirrel and Coliseum rodents
2011 Raider Games
First: Ghostraider (exact score) Raiders 23 Broncos 20
Second: Sullivan44 Buffalo 38 Raiders 35
Third: Pretty Rick Raiders 34 Jets 24
Fourth: Sullivan44 Patriots 31 Raiders 14
Fifth: Fingers Raiders 25 Texans 20
Sixth: Zymurge Browns 24 Raiders 17
Seventh: Noone…at all. Kansas City 28 Raiders 0
Honorable Mention to LA: PAIN
Eighth: La Milicia Negra (exact score (sadly))
Broncos 38 Raiders 24
Ninth: TheToozFan55 (exact score) Raiders 24 Bolts 17
Tenth: TRIPLE TIE (Exact score) Raiders 27 Vikings 20
R8eray + Just Fire Baby + The Big Banana
Eleventh: Beware of Raiders Raiders 25 Bears 20
Twelfth: Autopalm77 Dolphins 34 Raiders 14
Thirteenth: Sullivan44 Packers 43 Raiders 16
Fourteenth: Raiderdav Detriot 28 Raiders 27
Fifteenth: GG (exact score) Raiders 16 Kansas City 13
Antispy3 Raiders 27 Chefs 13
Chris in NY Raiders 20, Chiefs 13
ElkGRaider Oaktown 24 Chefs 10
fingers Raiders 33… Chefs 17…
GG Raiders 16 Chiefs 13
ghostraiders Raiders 33 k.c.. 17
imaquaman raiders 24 chiefs 17
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders 28 Fat Red Aholes 20
qodrn Raiders 27 Chiefs 24
raidermarty RAIDERS 23 queefs 13
RaiderRetribution Raiders 31 – Kansas City 10
Silverandblack666 Raiders 13 Chiefs 10
December 24th, 2011 at 6:21 pm
Be Back on Tuesday.
Go Titans! Go Titans! Go Titans!
December 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
IF UR HUE JACKSON,DO U WANT THE TEAM 2 KNOW THE DEN-KC OUTCOME EITHER WAY,OUR SEND YOUR TEAM OUT TO PLAY NOT KNOWING ?
December 24th, 2011 at 6:22 pm
to all of you who thoght the raiders would have a losing record, kiss Al’s a$$.
Oh Cable, by the way it was Mr. Hue Jackson, not you for us being 8-8 and having one of the best offenses last year (and that was w/o Wow).
December 24th, 2011 at 6:24 pm
Chiefs / Broncos will be Sunday Night flexed game.
No way they flex us, because if Broncos win, our game might be meaningless by the time we kickoff. NBC can’t risk that.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
According to the Dallas newspaper Ginats/Boys are moved to Sunday night. With that said we can know our WC chances as the Balt/Cin and Hou/Ten NYJ/Mia games are all early. Den/KC plays late so even if the Wild card scenarios don’t pan out the game will be meaningful as we’ll have a chance at the division when we take the field. Would love to get in but either way 9-7 is an imperative. There needs to be an improvement over last year. Hopefully Bush and Carson can refind the magic that let us dominate the Bolts earlier this year.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:25 pm
if Denver & cincy lose (and either NY win or tenn lose); hell yes you let the team know.
Wauffle & Co. need to knock Rivers on his a$$ multiple times, do not let him get comfortable.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
I think the extra day of rest will greatly benefit Mr. Bush. He has been the lone back for weeks now.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:27 pm
Doriangray
INTs, if you’re doing enough with your other passes, aren’t that huge of a deal.
I’ll take a 300 yard, 2 TD, 2 INT day over a 200 yard, 1 TD, 0 INT day.
Comes with the territory when you’re slinging it deep.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:28 pm
RR
do you think Bush is re-thinking his ability to be a #1 back?
Hasn’t had an above-average game in over a month now.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:34 pm
just a thought to relieve a little stress gearing up for the Raiders hosting San Diego;
I truly think Jacksonville will rest many of their key players;
Two key reasons:
One the devasting injury to AP in a meaningless game;
most of all, Jax has just had to face Peyton for a decade; no way they will want to face Andrew Luck for another decade, I’m not saying they will take a dive, I’m just sayin…..
December 24th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
He’s been the only back for over a month now.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:35 pm
teams that need a starting RB just increased by one.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:39 pm
CAN NOT LOOK BACK..MUST CONCENTRATE ON SAN DIEGO AND NOTHING ELSE.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
just doesn’t seem like Bush handles the #1 load consistently. For the last 4 games, he’s averaged fewer than 4 yards a carry, and had no runs over 20 yards.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:49 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 6:26 pm
I think the extra day of rest will greatly benefit Mr. Bush. He has been the lone back for weeks now.
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There are other RB’s on the squad that could have spelled him but for some reason, HuJack keeps running “ordinary” MBush. He’s NOT a #1 starting RB – not even a close call.
Cartwright could have helped out but for some reason, he never gets a shot. MBush’s 1 & 2 yard runs could have easily been equaled by Cartwright. As far as TJones goes, I truly believe he’d be a much bigger threat at slot WR.The fact is, neither TJones or MBush can pass protect block. That’s a bad thing. a a minimum, assuming we lose MBush next year to FA, we will need 2 new RB’s. There should be plenty to pick from as there are supposed to be 25% of the active players hitting UFA at the same time.
December 24th, 2011 at 6:59 pm
Now for the Santa Claus reports.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:00 pm
Raiders first game where we allowed opponent under 17 points.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:03 pm
Raiders 36 – San Diego 12
Raiders score at least one more point than we have all season, and will allow one less point than we have all season.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:09 pm
Raiders 27 – San Diego 17
December 24th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
NEED A PACKED HOUSE AT THE O.COM.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:12 pm
They don’t count the Denver game we lost, they count the fact Raiders are .500 vs Denver, while Titans are 1.000 vs Denver.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Got the wife a Dennarius Moore jersey for X-mas, and it was a big hit.
The wifey is official now. Raider Nation
December 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
JB
many, many rookie RBs struggle with pass protection. Doesn’t it seem a little to Madden-ish to propose moving that rookie RB to a position he has never, ever played?
And think he’ll learn that more easily than he’ll learn pass protection with a full off-season?
December 24th, 2011 at 7:17 pm
It pisses me off that they flexed the Cowboys vs. Giants. According to the “official” rules, NO team is allowed more than 3 appearances in a year on Sunday Night Football (the Cowboys already have had 3). But of course, they break the rule just so they can have their beloved NFC East teams in prime time. What a joke.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
The Raiders would NEVER get an exception to a rule like that, yet since it’s the beloved Cowboys, they turn the other direction.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Alex7 Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 6:40 pm
just doesn’t seem like Bush handles the #1 load consistently. For the last 4 games, he’s averaged fewer than 4 yards a carry, and had no runs over 20 yards.
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I believe that’s contributed to him not use to being the feature back. Plus with are major weapons being injured they focus on him on defense.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:21 pm
Raiders get back DMC in time for SD…
December 24th, 2011 at 7:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 7:13 pm
Got the wife a Dennarius Moore jersey for X-mas, and it was a big hit.
The wifey is official now. Raider Nation
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Sweet the nation needs to start thinking about getting a jano jersey the man is a raider through and through.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:24 pm
NFL moved the Cincy/Balt game to the same time as ours.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Anyone know what the call was when they wiped out the Seymour sack in the first half?
The TV guys just blew it off yapping about something else, and it cost us like 30 yards of field position.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
MERRY CHRISTMAS TO RAIDER NATION ENJOY THE FAMILY GUYS AND RAIDER GALS !!!!!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 7:33 pm
alex7 Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 7:14 pm
JB
many, many rookie RBs struggle with pass protection. Doesn’t it seem a little to Madden-ish to propose moving that rookie RB to a position he has never, ever played?
And think he’ll learn that more easily than he’ll learn pass protection with a full off-season?
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Alex. you could be right. BUT, MBush has been here for 4 years and still can’t/won’t pass protect block. My problem with TJones blocking ability is simply his size. He’s not a big back. He’s a sprinter. I just think that he might be a REAL WEAPON as the slot receiver. Getting him the ball in the open across the middle should be deadly for the opponents.
As far as moving positions, great athletes are grea athletes. We used to have a RB called Todd Christensen. He was moved to TE. Ended up being the most prolific TE we’ve ever had. Sometimes changes work extremely well.
December 24th, 2011 at 7:41 pm
Some thoughts on the game…
Major credit goes to Seymour and Kelly on the FG blocks. Especially Kelly on the second one for pretty much collapsing the line letting Seymour have a shot at blocking it. Haven’t been a fan of Seymour’s play this year, but he pretty much won us the game.
Giordano gets a lot of criticism, and rightfully so, but the guy seems to find the ball.
The defense…well I don’t even know how we can judge the players when the Defensive Coordinator is so incredibly inept. Major change is needed at that side of the ball, STARTING WITH BRESNAHAN.
Jano was money. DHB was big when it mattered, so was D Moore.
Palmer needs to step his game up. We can’t afford to have him throw three interceptions, and yes, one of those was negated. He needs to value the ball more. I know big risk equals big reward, but lately we haven’t seen a whole lot of reward from the guy. I know he only has part of a season and no training camp, but we need him to get in to high gear desperately.
But all the negatives don’t matter this week, we WON and I’m gonna enjoy it.
Merry Christmas Raiders fans!
December 24th, 2011 at 7:59 pm
at least were playin 4 something the last game of season!-when was the last time that happened? 2002
December 24th, 2011 at 8:11 pm
Just win baby!
As predicted from pre lockout posts, the division comes down to week 17 SD @ Oak. Lets go KC, Bal & Hou!
Division…Predicted wins(9+)…record
AFC West…4+…3-2
AFC East…2…1-3
NFC North..2…2-2
cle/hou…1+…2-0
Raiders are not playing great football but they’re still in the hunt and they have time to make corrections and hopefully get healthier.
Finish the Chargers!
December 24th, 2011 at 8:16 pm
I’ve been critical of Hue for not fixing the things he promised he would fix but I have to say I love the passion he has for the Raider organization, team…the whole Raider “thing”.
Makes me really happy for HIM.
You could just see the emotional relief he had on the sideline. Right now this guy just bleeds silver and black and I appreciate that. The guy really cares and he’s doing his best to make this org. a winner.
He has a genuine appreciation for Raider history and gets what the “nation” is all about and what we want to see.
He’s not perfect, but Hue is a good guy..period.
He feels the pain of losing as badly as any of us and I appreciate that.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:17 pm
I want a wildcard spot but i dont want the likes of denver winning the division and hearing the tebow bs. I want their season to be a failure and if it comes down to us playing steelers im not too worried they barely beat the browns and aging but you never know. Orton will shred Denver. He thrown for 300+ since he took over and you seen what he did to us n the packers. But i hope he rips denver a new one n all tevow worshopers jump off bridges MERRY CHRISTMAS AL AND RAIDERNATION FAMILY
December 24th, 2011 at 8:18 pm
#69, I am glad you brought that up. The “T.V. guys” are a bunch of nfl whores. They are instructed to always regurgitate the company line: “The Raiders are the most penalized team in the league the last (x+1) years” That is not coincidence that is proof that the officials are “cheaters”.
Today their were fewer bad calls than normal but we still had to overcome the officiating.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:19 pm
69.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 7:27 pm
Anyone know what the call was when they wiped out the Seymour sack in the first half?
The TV guys just blew it off yapping about something else, and it cost us like 30 yards of field position.
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I think it was defensive holding on a DB.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:21 pm
64.ChrisinNC Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 7:18 pm
The Raiders would NEVER get an exception to a rule like that, yet since it’s the beloved Cowboys, they turn the other direction.
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The beloved Cowboys have less playoff wins in the last 16 yrs. than the Raiders.
Isn’t that weird? (in the voice of Goldmember).
December 24th, 2011 at 8:28 pm
Just so we’re clear:
How Raiders Can Win AFC West:
1) OAK wins AND DEN loses
Oakland clinches wild card spot with:
1. OAK win + CIN loss + TEN loss or tie OR
2. OAK win + CIN loss + NYJ win
December 24th, 2011 at 8:32 pm
Its Christmas Eve and sitting here on a football blog.
I would say that’s a sad commentary on my life, but it would be insulting to the rest of u that are here as well.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:38 pm
#79
Haha, I never would have guessed that in a million years.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:39 pm
#81
It’s been so long that we’ve had something to celebrate, man, I don’t blame you nor anyone else for being here. It’s been almost a decade for crying out loud. And us diehard fans have been waiting, and waiting, and waiting, for this chance, this shot to finally arrive.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:41 pm
Johnny, excellent post up there on Hue’s passion. Best coach we’ve had since Gruden, and just as good with the O, but Hue is happier to stay here long-term.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:51 pm
For you Oakland locals… I’m sorry to hear about your A’s. As a sports fan and someone with a deep appreciation for sports history, my sincere condolences.
December 24th, 2011 at 8:57 pm
Apparently, the only way the Raiders get the Wild Card is if they end up in a four way tie with Jets, Bengals, Titans and themselves.
Raiders miss out on the wild card if they are in a three way tie with Titans, Bengals, themselves, or, even Jets, Bengals, themselves.
That should be another reason why you aspire and want the division title. It’s also another reason why as much as it’s nice to still be in the hunt, the facts of the matter are, Hue/Chuck/players BLEW many opportunities when they could’ve controlled their fate and won the division or tie-breakers because they won games they blew.
Denver gets the tie-break over us due to us losing to Miami. Go back to mid-week training, Romac etc, the insipid play-calls etc. Losing the Lions and Bills and Broncos games.
Just like last year, blowing the Cardinals, Niners, Jaguars games, that cost us a division title too. And think about all the pre-snap penalties last two years that changed momentum over and over again.
Yeah, smiles for now, but really if you’re honest and expect excellence etc, these sorts of things should not happen.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:05 pm
We actually win the tie breaker if it’s just us and the Bengals, because we would have a better conference record than the Bengals, as they would have lost to Baltimore, which is a conference opponent. That would put us one game better than them, giving us the tie breaker. Also, we have the tie breaker over the Jets because we beat them earlier this year. The ONLY way we lose the tie breaker is if Tennessee is involved in the mix with just us and the Bengals.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:06 pm
lol…
Per the New York Daily News, Brandon Jacobs said that he told Ryan to “shut the [bleep] up,” and Ryan then told Jacobs to “Go [bleep] yourself.”
“Rex Ryan is a disrespectful bastard,” Jacobs apparently said. “The Jets have a big-mouthed, big-bellied coach that talks too much.”
December 24th, 2011 at 9:07 pm
Some of you are just as fickle…we limp over for a win, after insipid offense, should’ve beaten Chiefs by 20 pts, and suddenly Hue is the toast of the town. Or let teams back in, and the 4th Qtr defensive coaching/play meltdowns, resulting in close losses, and Hue is intolerable and must go.
Like I said, we only win/lose two ways. Either lose from a blowout, or win/lose games we had a 14+ lead, failing to nail coffins in on offense, then let the other team back in on D with 4th Qtr meltdowns.
This game could’ve been another Lions game. There’s still no separation in this team, separating itself from that team that wins/loses from late lead meltdowns, or gets utterly blown out. It’s baby steps still 16 weeks into the season, many things not fixed.
Happy for the win of course, but it’s been another majorly disappointing season, just like last season. This year especially as we had our heel on the neck of the AFC West at 7-4 and could end up missing altogether on the slimmest of tie-breakers.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:09 pm
Ties are broken differently when there are 2 teams, 3 teams, 4 or more teams tied.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:12 pm
Hue saved his job today, but he is still far from a finished product.
Penalties and discipline are much worse than last year, division record is worse.
But, you have to give him A TON of credit on the macro side of things, when looking at what he endured this season, and to still have us competing for a playoff spot week 17.
Tons of room for improvement though, starting with these stupid fkn penalties all the time.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:14 pm
I’ve been a harsh critic of bush, but when Moore and ford went down, teams figured out we had no passing game and stacked the box as a result, he would have had near a hundred today had it not been for a few penalties in his defense
Anyone know what the word is on ford for next week?
December 24th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
TO BREAK A TIE FOR THE WILD-CARD TEAM
If it is necessary to break ties to determine the two Wild-Card clubs from each conference, the following steps will be taken.
If the tied clubs are from the same division, apply division tie breaker.
If the tied clubs are from different divisions, apply the following steps.
Two Clubs
Head-to-head, if applicable.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss.
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
Apply division tie breaker to eliminate all but the highest ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. The original seeding within a division upon application of the division tie breaker remains the same for all subsequent applications of the procedure that are necessary to identify the two Wild-Card participants.
Head-to-head sweep. (Applicable only if one club has defeated each of the others or if one club has lost to each of the others.)
Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.
Best won-lost-tied percentage in common games, minimum of four.
Strength of victory.
Strength of schedule.
Best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best combined ranking among all teams in points scored and points allowed.
Best net points in conference games.
Best net points in all games.
Best net touchdowns in all games.
Coin toss
When the first Wild-Card team has been identified, the procedure is repeated to name the second Wild-Card, i.e., eliminate all but the highest-ranked club in each division prior to proceeding to step 2. In situations where three or more teams from the same division are involved in the procedure, the original seeding of the teams remains the same for subsequent applications of the tie breaker if the top-ranked team in that division qualifies for a Wild-Card berth.
OTHER TIE-BREAKING PROCEDURES
Only one club advances to the playoffs in any tie-breaking step. Remaining tied clubs revert to the first step of the applicable division or Wild Card tie-breakers. As an example, if two clubs remain tied in any tie-breaker step after all other clubs have been eliminated, the procedure reverts to Step 1 of the two-club format to determine the winner. When one club wins the tiebreaker, all other clubs revert to Step 1 of the applicable two-club or three-club format.
In comparing records against common opponents among tied teams, the best won-lost-tied percentage is the deciding factor, since teams may have played an unequal number of games.
To determine home-field priority among division-titlists, apply Wild Card tie-breakers.
To determine home-field priority for Wild Card qualifiers, apply division tie-breakers (if teams are from the same division) or Wild Card tiebreakers (if teams are from different divisions).
To determine the best combined ranking among conference teams in points scored and points allowed, add a team’s position in the two categories, and the lowest score wins. For example, if Team A is first in points scored and second in points allowed, its combined ranking is “3.” If Team B is third in points scored and first in points allowed, its combined ranking is “4.” Team A then wins the tiebreaker. If two teams are tied for a position, both teams are awarded the ranking as if they held it solely. For example, if Team A and Team B are tied for first in points scored, each team is assigned a ranking of “1″ in that category, and if Team C is third, its ranking will still be “3.”
December 24th, 2011 at 9:24 pm
CJ your points are well taken but do you have any suggestions? I think HJ is an excellent OC and did a fair job for a 1st year HC. He made a lot of bad calls, that cost us at least one game and bad calls that ended wining us 2 or more games. Hopefully he will learn all the nuances of being the CEO of all three phases of the game, the game clock, timeout usage, the psychology of mentally preparing a team for a big game and how to use his ALL the tools at his disposal. If Palmer has an entire year camp and preseason with the Raiders, next year we may increase our wins to 10-12 games! But the wars are going to be violent in the NFC W!
December 24th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I blame the fourth quarter meltdowns as much on the d as I do on hue’s madden 12 play calling and poor game management, another 4th and 2 at around the 40 clearly in field goal range and he decides to punt? Wtf!!! 2 straight 3 and outs with dumb conservative play calling? Did he not learn his lesson after the lions game? Clearly he doesn’t get it, last year the play calling was to play to win, this year when he gets a lead he folds like a bych
Stat of the year: have not had a win this year by more than 10 points, time for al saunders to call plays, mark Davis where the hellz are u?
December 24th, 2011 at 9:25 pm
I AM ALL IN!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 9:26 pm
GG, I think we hit rock bottom when KC was about to kick the winning FG. Then, 3 beautiful things happened: Seymour blocked the kick, the Raiders won the coin toss, and Carson Palmer struck DHB deep for the game winner! The momentum has come back to our side, and I think we are going to win and finish 9-7. I also think the odds are now very good that we will get into the playoffs. I hope it’s the #4 seed (Denver loses to KC), but the #6 seed would be OK (Bengals lose to Ravens and Jets beat Dolphins).
December 24th, 2011 at 9:28 pm
We will beat SD no doubt. And when we do:
NE: Can’t protect the QB.
Balt: Hue knows how to attack them. Plus no Ray Lewis.
Pitt: Big Ben banged up and can’t move.
Hou: What QB?
Cinn: Healthy but young and will be scared.
So here it is:
Cinn @ Hou
Pitt @ Oak
Cinn @ NE
Oak @ Balt
Oak @ NE
Oakland Raiders
December 24th, 2011 at 9:31 pm
For better or worse, the Raiders are the only team in the division that stayed the course all season. The Chargers have been hinting for weeks that Norvell would be canned at the end of the season. The Chiefs fired their Head Coach. The Broncos changed QBs and then traded the season starter to KC. That is why I believe the OAKLAND RAIDERS WILL WIN THE AFC WEST ON JANUARY 1, 2012! GO RAIDERS!
December 24th, 2011 at 9:32 pm
I cannot ever recall the raiders ever winning a coin toss in OT… That was huge, the way our d was playing the game was decided on that flip of the coin and maybe the season
D wow impressed the hell out of me, looks like we got a hel of a 1-2 punch at wr with dwow and dhb for years to come
December 24th, 2011 at 9:33 pm
*Bengals-Raiders only tied at 9-7…
Raiders win tiebreak with 7-5 vs 6-6 conference record. —> (Best won-lost-tied percentage in games played within the conference.)
*Bengals-Raiders-Titans tied at 9-7…
Bengals eliminated firstly due to inferior conference record: 6-6, versus Titans and Raiders 7-5.
Now Titans and Raiders to break tie.
Goes to common games records (minimum of four)
Titans-Raiders have common games as such…
vs Texans (currently 1.000 to Titans)
vs Browns (both Raiders and Titans 1.000)
vs Broncos (Titans 1.000, Raiders .500)
vs Bills (Titans 1.000, Raiders 0.000)
Titans would win this tie-break based on them beating Broncos 1.000 and us having .500 on Broncos).
….to be continued….
December 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Oakland doesn’t have the firepower or big-game experience to get past the Ravens or Steelers. But I’d love to see them at least make the playoffs.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Things could be worse, we could be like cable, zack, gallery and nnamdi out of the playoffs
December 24th, 2011 at 9:37 pm
Just get in and just freakin win baby
December 24th, 2011 at 9:40 pm
Cincy will make the playoffs. When chit like this happens, it’s just destiny.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/blog/shutdown_corner/post/Wide-open-Early-Doucet-stumbles-on-potential-gam?urn=nfl-wp14630
December 24th, 2011 at 9:41 pm
The playoff scenarios are mind boggling. Of course if we don’t win then it won’t matter what anybody else does, but the best case scenario is for us to win and Denver to loose, but if Denver does win then we need Cinnci to loose and hopefully the jets to win. If the jets win then we win any tie breaker scenario. I don’t know how much chance there is for Tenn to loose to Houston. Houston’s playoff spot is set and they can’t move up or down by winning or loosing, so there really isn’t anything for them to play for.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:44 pm
*Bengals-Raiders-Jets only tied at 9-7…
Bengals eliminated on conference record (6-6) vs Jets, Raiders at 7-5 each.
Now Jets and Raiders to break tie.
Goes to h2h record.
Raiders win on h2h.
*Bengals-Raiders-Jets-Titans tied at 9-7…
Conference record eliminates Bengals (6-6), all others would be 7-5.
Now Jets-Titans-Raiders to break tie.
Goes to common games, but all three teams do not share four of the same common games.
Goes to strength of victory (have to work that out yet). This would then eliminate one of the teams, to leave two teams tied, and it would then go back to a two-team tie break process.
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December 24th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
102.YoungAmerican Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 9:35 pm
Oakland doesn’t have the firepower or big-game experience to get past the Ravens or Steelers. But I’d love to see them at least make the playoffs.
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I like our chances. We bring in Sonny from Bronx Tale and he gathers everyone in a circle at the final practice that week before boarding the plane. He slowly circles and look everyone in the eyes to guage their focus. He stops at Chuck B and says “Put him in the batchroom.” Then they all go get on the Plane and go whip the Ravens.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:48 pm
On Strength of victory…
Titans eliminated (.375) vs Jets (.392) and Raiders (.442)
Two teams left, Jets and Raiders, Thus reverts back to h2h record, which Raiders win.
….
December 24th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
So in conclusion…
Raiders win #6 seed from the following ties…
Bengals-Raiders @ 9-7
Bengals-Raiders-Titans-Jets @ 9-7
Titans win #6 seed from following tie…
Bengals-Raiders-Titans @ 9-7
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Jets could only win wild card if Raiders lose their game and are not factored into the tie-breaking teams.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:50 pm
* also Raiders win #6 seed if following tie…
Bengals-Raiders-Jets @ 9-7
December 24th, 2011 at 9:51 pm
Was it pretty? H3LL NO. Will I take it? Are you kidding?
All I know is for the first time since we went to the Super Bowl we go into our Week 17 game with an opportunity to get into the playoffs. We may even be in a win-and-in scenario in the wild card race.
Regardless. I thought this team pulled through and showed alot of fortitude. Hue’s expression at the end said it all. Maybe we finally got some of the breaks we missed in the Buffalo and Detroit games. Maybe we’ll get a few more breaks next week.
I know Palmer did not have a great game, but how about him dropping it in the bucket on the bomb to Moore and then to DHB to win it. Ever since his USC days, I’ve always admired his rare ability to hit receivers in stride with those deep rainbows. Has to be one of the toughest things to do in sports.
December 24th, 2011 at 9:55 pm
To repost…
Raiders win #6 seed from the following ties…
Bengals-Raiders @ 9-7 (conf rec 6-6 vs 7-5)
Bengals-Raiders-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, raiders over jets on h2h)
Bengals-Raiders-Titans-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, strength of victory eliminates titans next, then h2h raiders over jets)
Titans win #6 seed from the following tie…
Bengals-Raiders-Titans @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, titans win on common games over raiders)
Jets win #6 seed only if Raiders lose and are not factored into the tiebreakers. (haven’t bothered to work out exactly how).
December 24th, 2011 at 10:03 pm
After digesting all that, Raiders have the upper-hand with most of the scenarios favoring us. Except if Jets don’t reach 9-7 too.
We would be incredibly unlucky (but blame themselves for the meltdowns) if we missed out with the only possible scenario (bengals-titans-raiders tie).
Let’s just hope Broncos lose and we win. Don’t care if that means Steelers or Ravens @ Oakland. If we want to go all the way we’re gonna have to beat Ravens AND Steelers in rounds 1 and 2, or rounds 2 and 3. Or avenge Patriots in SnowBall part 2 ten years later!!
If we meet Texans as WC team, we’ll still have to play Ravens/Steelers/Patriots next two weeks.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:04 pm
Our defense is full of knuckleheads.
Really.
This is the dumbest defensive team I have ever seen.
Don’t move until they snap the ball.
Don’t commit personal fouls.
Don’t get thrown out of the game if you are the leader of the defense.
Don’t threaten people with guns.
How are are these things to understand?
December 24th, 2011 at 10:08 pm
GG
why on earth should we have beaten the Chiefs by 20? Dumb comments like that give Raider fans the dumb fan label.
They just beat the Packers, have a top D, and are playing at home. Yeah, with our D, we should have beat them by 20. the heck..?
December 24th, 2011 at 10:11 pm
Boss,
we have a top-10 NFL offense. I know reality might not matter much to you, but our offense, despite injuries to our QB, RB, and #2 and 3 WRs, is a top-10 offense.
That is dang impressive, and the people that make the decisions in Oakland are very impressed by what Hue has done for 2 seasons now.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
The shills breathe. Be more objective-minded, Alex7. To suggest the Raiders offense is without fault or is consistently good or dominant, etc is rose-colored glasses.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:14 pm
D.moore is my best xmas gift….
Such a humble good kid too….
Suddenly we have some ballars at widenout…
J.ford we know is dynamite,
When was the last time we were still in this at week ??
December 24th, 2011 at 10:18 pm
But its pssoible GG that we do or could have a fantastic offense?? Consistently??maybe not yet, but we have weapons that dance with the best in the league..
December 24th, 2011 at 10:19 pm
Good comment chris in NY… Feel that
December 24th, 2011 at 10:23 pm
115,some valid points,er ,one,be sure to discuss them with youre cousins,mr and mrs
December 24th, 2011 at 10:24 pm
Look, Alex7, the thing is you have a love for Hue, and will defend him at all costs, find stats/things to do so.
I neither love nor hate Hue. I like him, he’s better than Cable, but I’m more objective and critical.
Where people fail and succeed I’ll point them out and equally assess them. Hue and the offense has plenty wrong with it, just like the D has. And game to game sometimes the D plays better than the O, sometimes they both play good and bad in bunches. But to suggest the O and Hue’s play-calling is superb is silly.
Bottom line, no matter what, an autonomous legit GM for 2012 who will assess everything himself (hue included, whether he keeps him or not). Hue can grow and become a better HC over the years. But football all starts at the GM, scouting personnel drafting. Coaches can be found many times over.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
GG
what are you talking about? Who said we have a dominant O?
Your comment that we should have beaten the Chiefs by 20 is the only dumb comment that reeks of rose-colored glasses.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:25 pm
Lol hendu..
Hahhahaha
December 24th, 2011 at 10:26 pm
GG
if you have to nit-pick an offense that Hue took from BOTTOM 5 to TOP 5 in ONE SEASON,
following that up with a top-10 current season…
despite losing his starting QB, starting RB, and 2 of 3 starting WRs,
then you are not objective. You are hyper-critical.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:28 pm
Blackmamba
we ARE dancing with the best in the league. Top-5 last year, top-10 this year.
Don’t miss out on the incredible work going on here RIGHT NOW.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:30 pm
Hue gets hammered for all his bad calls..
What about his good calls, to which we had several today…who else since mangini is calling those fake punt,FG ..meyers took tht schit to the house baby..
Plus, alex7 is correct, last year took our O to relevance, he helped darren and played to jasons strengths hugely..thisn O has the tools to do bad things..in a good way feel me.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Al Davis,Thank You for the Best Kickers in Football,the wide receivers that run like the wind,a team that doesnt quit,speed all around.Oh,and Mr Branch,a DB that makes George,Skip Thomas,Jack Tatum,Lester Hayes,and on and on,PROUD
December 24th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
For instance, how many key defensive plays helped win us the Chiefs game? The D tho is largely a liability, they often do stuff to keep our O in it, and the O returns the favor with a 3 and out, a turnover, or has to resort to multiple Janikowski FGs, or can’t crush teams when they have them beat.
Especially in today’s offense-happy NFL with all the rules making defensive players jobs incredibly difficult, it’s much harder for defenses than it is offenses. The way teams like Lions, Dolphins, etc, can march up and down the field at times, but our O struggles, predictable, 3 and outs, etc.
I’m just saying you guys have to see those things too, can’t just blame everything on the D and think Hue, the playcalling, is superb. Teams like us in 2011, we are where we are BECAUSE all facets of our team (special teams, defense, offense) are inconsistent, play poorly, play well in spurts, or one plays well and the other not, etc, and that includes the coaching too.
Be more objective.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:33 pm
Thanks mamba. Best record since 2002, best offenses since 2002, Hue will get an extension soon. Al hand-picked him and GM-prepped him for a reason.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:35 pm
Lol @ GG praising the 27th ranked D and blaming the 10th ranked O.
Which has carried which?
December 24th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
We won the Chiefs game more because of big D plays than pure offense. The interceptions, the tackles for loss, the batted down passes, the 4th down stops. They’re inconsistent sure, and Bresnahan can be upgraded sure, we need more depth sure, and there’s always the last minute meltdowns no doubt.
But some of you carry on like the Offense is carrying this team and that the D is utterly retarded every single down and drive and game.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
d played good today just wished they stayed away from zone….
December 24th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
I’m just saying you guys have to see those things too, can’t just blame everything on the D and think Hue, the playcalling, is superb. Teams like us in 2011, we are where we are BECAUSE all facets of our team (special teams, defense, offense) are inconsistent, play poorly, play well in spurts, or one plays well and the other not, etc, and that includes the coaching too.
…………..
I just think hue gets a raw deal, has he fckd up ..yes..bad calls?? Yes… But 1st year as HC he needs more time…but we have a DC who is paid well to get these guys going an they have been the most inconsistent of the facets, consitently…they did some great things today
As did special teams… But agree all groups still need work….so we shouldnt be all magic johnson blow the whole ship up at how the season has played out…
December 24th, 2011 at 10:38 pm
Go Raiders!
Go Chiefs! (Even though that doesn’t sound right)
Go Houston!
Go Baltimore!
Raiders Go To The Playoffs!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
Alex7…
I’m usually one who is cooler than to get into blog ego tiffs with others, usually respect all and quote people’s posts to discuss intelligently with, debate and disagreement always healthy. But to suggest GG is a dumb raider fan is lol-worthy.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:42 pm
Forgive me for spelling and all over the show comments.. Fingers way ahead of mind on ipad drunk on xmas day….. Shout out from down under for you raider fans… Its been a happier one than last week..
December 24th, 2011 at 10:43 pm
I won a Franklin today, after working a 16, and 8 tomorrow, but life is good! Happy Hollidays, my blog bro’s and gal’s, be safe, enjoy your families and friends, out! Got to be up early!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:44 pm
Mamba, have one on me, or maybe two! CODE BLACK!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
Todd !!! Take care and drink well friend !!!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:45 pm
The dolphins have had many, many more 3 and outs over the season.
WHY point some of ours out as if they’re not common? W didn’t get top-10 by going three and out very often.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:46 pm
GG,keep on postin!Blackmamba-20, Merry Christmas,to you and youres,RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:48 pm
The offense has a couple areas where it can improve.
First and foremost, Carson Palmer needs to take better care of the ball.
Secondly, the Raiders need to get better at putting games away. Too many times all the Raiders have needed is one first down to get to the two-minute warning, and instead the go three and out – giving the defense another chance to blow the lead. Can’t survive big games like that.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:49 pm
Gg no one has called you dumb. Criticizing the ONLY top-10 offense that had lost their staying qb, rb, and two wrs is an unintelligent, hyper-critical, non-objective thing to do.
g’ night Raider brother.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:51 pm
Merry Christmas RaiderNation btw. Enough with the ego fights, the “im more a fan than you because of xyz” stuff, etc.
We won, we’re still in it, we have a lot to improve on still, execution and playcalling, consistency, eradication of pre-snap/post-whistle penalties, both on offense and defense.
Let’s see what happens in week 17 and take it from there…whether we’re riding the playoffs, or discussing off-season transactions etc.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:52 pm
860Todd Christensen,a tough win,but we will take it.Palmer throws a sweet deep ball,wide outs are Happy Campers.Merry Christmas,lets bring some luck for our boys next week.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:54 pm
GG-1st, congrats on your prediction
2nd, are you a CPA or something? your breakdown of playoff scenarios is mind-boggling and much appreciated
Finally, ignore the sockpuppet who only aims to irritate.
It’s a CODE BLACK Christmas!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Merry xmas hendu… Your a knowlagable man and funny as fck !! I always appreciate your input bro..
Code black bruddas
December 24th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Honestly, I put our playoff chances at around 65-70%. We’ve got 2 separate routes, and although Denver is slightly favored since they’re at home, they rarely “blow” a team out, so KC should be in it all game and have a chance at the end.
The other scenario, Baltimore SHOULD beat Cincy since they have incentive to stay in step with Pittsburgh for seeding. NYJ should beat Miami, even though that’s less likely since they’re playing in FL. Houston is slightly favored since they’re at home and they get Andre Johnson and the DC back. Also, i think they can move up/down in seeding, not sure though.
Bottom line, we’ve really got a shot at this thing. I just hope, above all, we get the chance to win-and-in. My gut tells me we will..
December 24th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Thanks PunkforHOF.
Good to get the exact score too. I think that counts more too. So i’m beating Sully44 :p
Not a CPA, just not-drunk-yet lol
December 24th, 2011 at 10:57 pm
The D and Special teams won this game. Palmer tried to give it away but Seymour saved his sorry a– twice. We definitely cannot count on the O scoring many points for us to win.
December 24th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
I just love the fact that I’m able to even hope this late in the season. Yes, we’ve underachieved on D, greatly, but there has been a lot of adversity this year. I readily acknowledge the inconsistent play in all phases, and honestly, we’ve got some improving to do if we want to win in the playoffs. But man, if we just get in there, who knows. Crazier things have happened…
December 24th, 2011 at 10:58 pm
Seymour saved our ass…twice …kudos to him ….
December 24th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I’m feeling pretty hopeful tonite, Raider fans and others! I’m raising my glass to my beloved Oakland Raiders! Cheers!
Got to be up for the day job at 6 am, then playing an afternoon Xmas party gig.. You know I’ll be proudly sporting some Silver and Black at both!
CODE BLACK!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:11 pm
PlunkforHOF,cheers,a little Jack and coke,take care and Merry Christmas
December 24th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
Teblow.. 4 INT’s… he he he… hahaha…. HAW HAW HAW HAW!!!!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:14 pm
Thanks Hendu.. cheers! All the best for the new year!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:16 pm
Haha plunk..i did they same thing.. A real lol moment
December 24th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
Whats good NATION?
December 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Happy Christmas to you Mamba! Cheers!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:19 pm
Hope JFORD and DMAC come for the SD game…Would be perfect timing for the two of them to get in a tune up game with the disc before the tournament…
December 24th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Thec, that would be the best Xmas present for us all!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Just wanted to stop in and say: Merry Christmas Raider nation!
Just finished putting the presents under the tree…took a nibble of the cookies and am headed to bed.
It wasn’t very pretty, but I’ll take it. Next week it’s time to put Norvel and Crybaby Rivers out of their misery.
Orton goes back to Denver and exacts his revenge. Hopefully Tebow has another clunker with Mr. Ed looking disgusted up in the booth.
Hopefully the Broncos end the season on a three game skid, and the media who once so adoringly worshipped him, will be left wondering: Where has the magic gone? Whaaaa.
The Raiders will reclaim what was rightfully theirs. The AFC West championship.
Bring on Big Ben and his gimpy ankle. It’s time to restart a once great playoff rivalry.
Just Win, Baby!
Have a good evening fellas..and Merry Christmas!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Even as Scott McCloughan looks ahead to the future – several league sources, one a prominent general manager for another team, say he’s a viable candidate for the Oakland Raiders’ vacant GM job and that he could be in play for potential openings with the St. Louis Rams and San Diego Chargers – he hasn’t let go of his past.
From Mike Silver article about ex-49er GM
December 24th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
I’m feeling pretty hopeful tonite, Raider fans and others! I’m raising my glass to my beloved Oakland Raiders! Cheers!
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We all should fill good also knowing that broncos lost three of there of there starting defensive backs Dawkins being one of them. Hopefully they out are not 100% come next Sunday. Could be a nice time next weekend,
December 24th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Cheers brother raider plunk !!!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:23 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 11:20 pm
Thec, that would be the best Xmas present for us all!
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Indeed…We will be in the tournament…If we get those 2 back will be fun to watch…
December 24th, 2011 at 11:24 pm
Thank you Santa….flying into Oakland for game next weekend.
I think this is the deal:
We need to win and get following help:
1) Denver loses-gives us division because we got them on division record
next best thing:
Cin loses to create tiebreaker for last wild card
Oak/Cin- we win- better conference record
Oak/Cin/NYJ- we win- Cin eliminated by conference record, we beat Jets head up.
Oak/Cin/NYJ/Tenn- we win-Cin elimated by conference record, we win strength of victory
Bad outcome:
Oak/Cin/Tenn- Cin elimated but we lose because common opponents- Tenn got to kick Clev ass for a second time and didn’t play Broncos second time and lose like Raiders did.
Bottom line: Just Win Baby!
December 24th, 2011 at 11:25 pm
Would be great to get a home playoff game. would fly up for that one…
December 24th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Anyhow, Cheers to the RAIDER NATION…
Take care guys…Victory Monday….
December 24th, 2011 at 11:27 pm
The minute we snag a home playoff game, I am on the phone for a ticket, and rescheduling my crew.
December 24th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Lets face it, we got REALLY Lucky this game..BTW..Where in the F were those turnovers last week..We should be alone in first place right now, if only the defense that showed up today, showed up at home. Our team lacks focus while getting to sleep the night before a game in thier own beds..If I am Hue, I make everyone sleep at the Ritz the night before a HOME game.
WTF is up with these penalties..Solomon Wilcotts had a great point during the game. We lead the league in penalties last year, were going to set a record for penalties this year…Last year we swept the division and missed the playoffs, this year we could easily miss the playoffs, and if we do make it, it will be a minor miracle..What cost us the playoffs last year and this year? PENALTIES…They are big deals folks, you cant gloss over them and say, Oh we win anyway…The margin between winning and losing is a thin red line, and we are on the wrong side, a Twilight Zone amount of time. Totally unacceptable….but don’t even get me started on that officiating crew, those d!cks are the worst squad in the NFL..they should have just callled penalties on every play, so we could also go for the longest game in history as well as the worst officiated..
Orton is auditioning for a job next year…he gets to play his old squad..How pumped is he going to be to knock those f’ers out of the playoffs next week..
If we can get our heads out of our asses we can at least get to the second season…Players gotta make plays.
December 24th, 2011 at 11:38 pm
not sure if this has been mentioned….the injury the bothers me more and more is taiwans….its unfortunate he missed his chance with mcfadden going down…i have a feeling he would be the featured back by now and opening eyes around the league….it seemed he was close to busting out the more he was playing
December 25th, 2011 at 12:00 am
Thank God Raiders won today with no thanks to the bad officals. The trick field goal pitch to Myers for the touchdown, why did the officals wait until the touchdown was already made before a whistle was blown and delay of game was called. You would think the whistle would have been blown right away and saved the long run by Myers, that is what I do not understand. This next week Ford and Jones needs to suck it up and come in and help out the team to get a win. Chuck B needs to be fired, will keep saying that until he is gone, thank you. Go Raiders
December 25th, 2011 at 12:07 am
Again its time for Palmer to go, period. By a miracle if this club makes it to the playoffs it wasn’t Palmer’s play. The penalties are killing the Raiders. It can’t seem to get it thru the players head to stop commiting there errors! What the Flip is up with the faces that Hue is making on the sidelines? Every time Palmer throws the ball he looking for the opposing team and the defense must play DAMN well harder to shut down the offense. This team needs a quality QB such as Jason Campbell or better. Get rid of Palmer ASAP!!!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:09 am
You know the AFC west was closer than you think with all of the teams being tied at 8-8? Wouldn’t that a been somethin! But screw that, KC beats denver and we beat the STDs’ and YYYYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!
If we don’t get in the playoffs after we beat the STDs’ all the finger pointing and blaming can be pointed on one finger: 98 fcking yards.
Oakland Raiders (2011 AFC Champs) 42
STDs’ 17
Kansas City 21
Denver 20
Merry Christmas to all especially Hue Jackson it will be nice to see him enjoy his Christmas Day. And lets keep the meaning of Christmas alive. God Bless all and this wonderful day too!!!!!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 am
Raiders need to get healthy fast.
Need all hands on deck for the Chargers.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:28 am
Mikie
It’s easier to get turnovers vs the chiefs than vs the lions. Orton, stafford.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:30 am
I think there’s a good chance KC blows Denver out. Buffalo just ended a seven game losing streak and slapped a 40 burger on them, plus…3 of their db’s may be out for this game.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:35 am
I worry a bit the Raiders may take SD for granted. I think that’s a very dangerous thing to do.
It’s still Phillip Rivers and V,Jackson and Floyd and Vincent Brown et al.
They would looove to knock Raiders out and get revenge and end this little mini streak the Raids have on them.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:36 am
Speaking of streaks, how about FIVE IN A ROW at Arrowhead?
Raiders now have a streak of seven in a row on the road in the AFC West.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:47 am
DCraider… you are on drugs… lol
December 25th, 2011 at 12:52 am
Succop’s 49-yard try was blocked by Trevor Scott to send the game to overtime.
Copyright 2011 by The Associated Press
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The above from NFL.COM
Who blocked that kick? Seymour or T. Scott?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Merry Christmas Raider Nation.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:08 am
The Ravens will destroy the Bengals. I’m more sure of that than KC over Denver. Carson Palmer showed up when the chips were down. He’s the best QB in the Bay Area, by far!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:10 am
181. There is absolutely nothing to take for granted. Hue knows the team did not play very well in KC, and will be riding them starting Monday to get it done in front of the sellout crowd!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:11 am
Merry Christmas everybody! It has been a wild season and we get to see another battle, with playoffs on the line baby!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:12 am
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The above from NFL.COM
Who blocked that kick? Seymour or T. Scott?
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Al did!
Just Win Baby…
December 25th, 2011 at 1:15 am
MERRY CHRISTMAS RAIDERS BRETHREN!
How about that ugly win!? Kinda like bangin that ugly chick with an awesome wet box, bittersweet experience.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:29 am
Denver secondary was banged up today! I will be sending a copy of James Brown CD,THE PAYBACK to Kyle Orton to help get him fired up for next Sunday’s game
From SB nation.com
The Denver Broncos trip to Buffalo came at quite a cost today. Not only did their grip on the AFC West division slip enough to jeopardize any postseason aspirations, but further depleted a Defensive Secondary that had already lost part of its depth earlier in the year. Three Defensive Backs were lost to injury during the Bills 40-14 thrashing of the Broncos.
Safety Brian Dawkins, who had been nursing a Neck injury, exacerbated his condition in the first Quarter. Dawkins returned to the game, but left again after a few plays. He finished with 3 Tackles. It is unknown at this time, if he will miss the season finale against the Kansas City Chiefs. The emotional leader of the Broncos will likely end his season with 51 Tackles, 3 Sacks, 6 Pass Break Ups and a Forced Fumble.
Rookie Safety Quinton Carter suffered a Hamstring injury and did not return to the game. His day ended with 2 Tackles. Before the injury, Carter had trouble with a few missed Tackles and botched Special Teams assignments. Carter’s season totals are 53 Tackles and one Sack in 9 starts.
The third casualty might be the worst for the Broncos. Rookie CFA Chris Harris suffered a pinched nerve in his neck during a tackle on Bills Quarterback Ryan Fitzpatrick in the 4th quarter. Harris had 8 Tackles to lead the team for the 3rd time this season. Chris is third on the Broncos with 69 Tackles and also has 5 Pass Break Ups and an Interception for the season. During today’s contest, Harris was the surest Tackler for Denver and has shown consistency all season.
The loss of all three players will hurt the Broncos if they cannot suit up for the Chiefs. Head coach John Fox could not elaborate on the severity of the players injuries, but the Broncos Defensive backfield is paper thin in the depth department.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:34 am
im worried that if we get all our weapons back that the chemistry will not be there because of little to no time playing together .palmer might play better with the guys he has been playing with ,i know who our play makers are ,but it might be like starting over from day one .i hope im wrong
December 25th, 2011 at 1:42 am
beach Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:08 am
The Ravens will destroy the Bengals. I’m more sure of that than KC over Denver. Carson Palmer showed up when the chips were down. He’s the best QB in the Bay Area, by far
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Hold on a minute my friend.The Ravens are “limping” into the playoffs.You think Houston needs a win this week? Hell,the Ravens “escaped” versus Cleveland…was destroyed by the Chargers a couple weeks ago and now must go to the “Jungle” to face a Bengal team that nearly defeated them at home minus their best receiver and cornerback.
I don’t know his career record but Marvin Lewis makes it his business to beat his old team…he’s a Raven killer.Raven’s will be without Anquan Boldin and their top CB Ladarius Webb is still ailing.
I really am not holding much hope for the Ravens next Sunday.Our only way to get in is for Kyle Orton to play a great game versus a now banged up looking Denver defense that is getting ran and passed on.KC’s defense is very good and we all know that Denver really has no playmakers.LET’S GO CHIEFS
December 25th, 2011 at 1:45 am
imaquaman Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:34 am
im worried that if we get all our weapons back that the chemistry will not be there because of little to no time playing together .palmer might play better with the guys he has been playing with ,i know who our play makers are ,but it might be like starting over from day one .i hope im wrong
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No worries because DMC will definately not be back.The best case scenario is to get Taiwan Jones back into the mix,with Jacoby Ford in the slot and/or KR and Huff back to good health.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:56 am
keep Chuck B as DC for the first three quarters and then in the 4th turn the defense over to anybody else on the coaching staff.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:57 am
Crennel as DC in 2013?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:59 am
hopefully Mr. Ford is a 100%, however I would keep Mr. McCann as KR, so that Jacoby can focus on receiving duties.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:00 am
191. Hey Raven, nice job! Good post. Enjoy your Christmas and Go Raiders!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:00 am
196. That is not beyond the realm of possibility if KC goes another way with their HC
December 25th, 2011 at 2:03 am
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_regular_season
Givin our Special Teams unit props.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:03 am
i know palmer has a deep arm but ford could outrun a barn sour horse heading home .moore and dhb already outrun his distance .ford will go get the ball so we should be fine,what happen to murphy did he miss the plane
December 25th, 2011 at 2:04 am
We get back DMC, Ford and all our speed weapons back on line…in my mind
December 25th, 2011 at 2:06 am
2011 THE CARIDIAC RAIDERS
I thought Hue had fallen to a heart attack at the end of OT!
Lets go baltimore and kc; oh yeah and GO RRRRAAAAIIIIDDDDEEEERRRRSSSS
December 25th, 2011 at 2:06 am
Denarius the “Real Deal” Moore! Rookie of the YEAR
December 25th, 2011 at 2:07 am
The new Sandra Bullock Tom Hanks 9/11 movie? F.U. Too soon and propaganda
Just in time for Christmas!
Remember why you’re afraid. Remember why you need to give trillions to the worst people on earth….
Peace out….
December 25th, 2011 at 2:07 am
Hue Jax saves his job! One more year!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:08 am
Denarius the “Real Deal” Moore! Rookie of the YEAR
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i think cam fig newton has that wrapped up
December 25th, 2011 at 2:08 am
203. Word.
Have to eat my words on Bey. Sauid hes busty but he made THE play today in OT. Actually hung on. It looked awkward but counted.
Way to go Bey!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:08 am
If we get int the Playoffs, get Ford and DMAC back…Watch OUT league!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:08 am
207. Amazing. Another guy I pegged wrong.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:10 am
Merry Christmas Nation. I hear sleigh bells and someone trying to break in thru my chimney. Grabbing the AR-15 and going to investigate…
December 25th, 2011 at 2:12 am
@207 Yeah all the Hype is with Kim Newton, but Moore is $
December 25th, 2011 at 2:17 am
No way Hue could stay blowin 5 in a row after 7-4, but hey he pulled it out!
Liked the fake Kick call
December 25th, 2011 at 2:30 am
fig newton set a new record most passing yards by a rookie
December 25th, 2011 at 2:48 am
Thank you, Raiders..You gave your fans a great xmas gift..now pull it together for the Chargers…
December 25th, 2011 at 2:51 am
For your final exam:
Write an essay analyzing all playoff scenarios for the Raiders including all opponents tying. Please write your reasons based on all of the facts this season why and how the Raiders will make it into the playoffs. Please discuss the differences of winning the division versus Wildcard. You have three hours and a limit of one bluebook
December 25th, 2011 at 3:03 am
Between the Cardiac Raids and Christmas this is the most exhausting end of the year in years
December 25th, 2011 at 3:05 am
Anyone else think Hue should impose a curfew and ban alcohol starting Thursday?
December 25th, 2011 at 4:48 am
Most Raider fans know that after playing the silver and black you stand a good chance of losing your next game because your beat up even if you win.In the Raiders favor though,is Romeo Crennel!he will give Tebow that im lost out here feeling with his defences.Problem is Denver knows Kyle Orton like a book, so I hope the Big Kahuna is Smiling down on the Raiders this week…
December 25th, 2011 at 5:47 am
Merry Xmas nation. Enjoy the week.
December 25th, 2011 at 5:57 am
196.RaiderRetribution Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:57 am
Crennel as DC in 2013?
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I was thinking the same thing yesterday. The guy is a class act and has five rings. He would have instant credibility and command the respect of the defense. I think he’d be a great hire.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:04 am
Merry Christmas!!
What does bellecheat give his players at halftime?
Does any other team in the NFL make halftime adjustments like the Pats?
December 25th, 2011 at 6:06 am
Chiefs wont let him go unfortunately.
The Chiefs right now have a Patriots nucleus…Pioli, Crennel, McDaniels probably gets hired as OC, Cassel, Charlie Weis OC last year.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:18 am
Yep, just read that he signed a 3 year contract in 2010. Too bad. Always liked that guy.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:26 am
If thinking about switching to the 3-4…
Crennel as DC would mean him bringing the “Fairbanks-Bullough 3-4″ system with him. Which is a 2-gap assignment for the defensive linemen. Requires the DL to occupy gaps for the LBs to make plays. Coaches who run this system are all those in the Patriots-Belichick-Parcells tree. Mangini, Crennel, etc.
Whilst the “Phillips 3-4″ sytem is a 1-gap assignment for the DL. They are more aggressive, more like 4-3 UTs, and the LBs aid in gap clogging.
There’s the LeBeau 3-4 which is more about zone blitzes. The lineman dropping back into coverage for blitzing LBs.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:31 am
Kyle Orton will get us into the postseason next week like I predicted weeks ago. We just gotta take care of SD.
Merry Christmas
December 25th, 2011 at 6:40 am
Our 2012 DC will be Dennis Thurman. The DB coach of the Jets that Hue tried to poach last year. They coached together at USC. Davis would approve of this hire.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:40 am
BTW, Thurmans’ contract is up at years end.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:48 am
Carl Weathers, yep I agree Thurman will be the hire. Hue will remain of course too. Carson Palmer as QB. Raiders with an LA nucleus there. One could speculate further.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:49 am
Thurman is schooled in the 3-4 too.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:51 am
227.Carl Weathers Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 6:40 am
Our 2012 DC will be Dennis Thurman. The DB coach of the Jets that Hue tried to poach last year. They coached together at USC. Davis would approve of this hire.
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That would be ok, too.
I hope you’re right about Orton, BTW. Denver’s probably going to be favored because they’re at home, but I could see Crennell confusing the heck out of Tebow and the Broncos struggling to get points. Going to be a low scoring game, I think.
December 25th, 2011 at 7:31 am
Merry Christmas Raider Nation!!!!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 7:31 am
All I want for Christmas is a new D-Coordinator!!
December 25th, 2011 at 7:39 am
HAPPY HOLIDAYS NATION!!!!!!!!!!!! GO RRAAAAIIDERRRRS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 7:48 am
Merry Christmas Nation!
The weekend is much better with a win, even if it was extremely ugly!
We just have to win and let the cards fall where they may. This won’t be an easy game(especially after that performance yesterday) but we have something to play for and have the 12th man behind the players!
I know KC/Oak is a hated rival, but i hope the KC players don’t lose this next game on purpose to kill any of our hopes. I know Orton will be playing for something though!
December 25th, 2011 at 7:51 am
Stressful win but made Xmas great! I saw Hues face when Bresnahan walked over to him looked like he was relieved but trying to hide his disdain for not being able to hold a lead we almost lost the game twice due to 4th quarter def. Bresnahan needs to be demoted not fired give him his original job as LB coach let him make that unit better
December 25th, 2011 at 7:52 am
Orton vs Tebow is a much watch I wish the Raiders were not on at the same time
December 25th, 2011 at 8:00 am
#225 great post
Our DL is not that young anyway next year we will be monsters with a multiple front def healthy returns IR players (Shaughnesty) and Palmer in sync with offense
December 25th, 2011 at 8:08 am
Dog riding monkey
LMFA0
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6ndIKWkGABI&feature=related
December 25th, 2011 at 8:15 am
S Mariucci, who is a complete buffoon said thats why R Seymour gets paid the “Big Bucks”. Irvin corrected him and said “Thats not what they pay him for”, thanks Mike!
Nice job on the blocks Seymour but I will continue to hammer you until further notice!
December 25th, 2011 at 8:20 am
FINISH THE CHARGERS!!!
Go KC!
Lets finish this year with a playoff bid!
December 25th, 2011 at 8:21 am
Merry Christmas Raider Nation!
Okay I was wrong, we beat KC!
Now on to the Dischargers! Hopefully with a FULL roster!!
December 25th, 2011 at 8:35 am
Imagine how good this team would be if it had a coach that could instill discipline.
December 25th, 2011 at 9:27 am
The thing with the Bronco’s, as I said last week, is that they can really be offensively challenged, so they could lose to anyone. On the flip side, when their D is playing great, they could also beat almost anyone.
So, even though I doubt the Chiefs will be up for this game as much as they were the last two weeks, the Donkeys could struggle to score points, and than the Chiefs can kick it into gear in the second half.
Same thing with us and the Dolts. Get a big lead, and those guys will be thinking about Cancun. But let them linger a little, than in the 3rd quarter, they decide screw it, let’s go try to win.
Oh…….Merry X-Mas Nation!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 9:30 am
Chuck B calls game like he has zero confidence in his D.
Look at the last play of the first half. We had them in like 3rd and 30 something, and we just LET THEM complete an easy pass over the middle for 15 yards and give them a FG attempt.
You got to have confidence in your D to not giveup either 31 yards or a TD in that case, and at least make them work for 15 yards.
We just handed it to them and seemed content with it.
December 25th, 2011 at 9:34 am
Has a coordinator who becomes the interim head coach ever immediately gone back to being the coordinator, when another head coach is brought in
December 25th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Looks like we all got an early Christmas present in KC yesterday with that win. Merry Christmas Raider Nation to each of you and yours!!
December 25th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Those rules to break ties look like they were written by the internal revenue service.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:01 am
# qodrn1 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 9:58 am
Those rules to break ties look like they were written by the internal revenue service.
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I think the tie breaker rules are written by the networks to favor what ever they want. At the last second.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Raiders have given up the 5th fewest sacks in the league, and have the #2 sack differential (total sacks – sacks allowed).
Probably wouldn’t have guessed that would we?
Also, #9 ranked defense in QB rating allowed, just ahead of the Packers.
Probably wouldn’t have guessed that either.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
did we really win yesterday or was it all a dream?
December 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am
What a range of emotions yesterday. I lost the feed online so had to follow with reading the blog comments and nfl.com where they write out what the last play was etc. and I see (in writing) how Raiders had 3 and out, then how KC drove down to Raiders 31, and i thought “this can’t be happening….again”. Soooooo depressing. I finally realized the FG was blocked by reading the posts on here.
Then, had to pray the coin toss went to us cuz I KNEW the D wouldn’t stop ‘em from driving for a fg if they got ball first.
Then I saw on NFL.COM “Darrius Heyward Bey (pass from Carson Palmer) for 53 yds. to KC 23″ and I yelled out “YES”.
When I saw that final score pop up “16-13″ it was a very happy moment to say the least.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am
At least the tie-breakers are fair and even for every team, and is determined on the field.
The alternative is a BCS-like system.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:05 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Chuck B calls game like he has zero confidence in his D
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If you were coaching idiots who take themselves out of plays and can’t make basic tackles, you’d have zero confidence too.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:08 am
Thought Carson played pretty well in the second half, but he has to learn to give-up some plays and live to see another play, or just let Shane do his thing.
Starting with the Bears game, he is increasingly worrying me more and more each week, with his over-confidence in thinking he can make every play.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:09 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Raiders have given up the 5th fewest sacks in the league, and have the #2 sack differential (total sacks – sacks allowed).
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But they got ZERO pressure on Orton yesterday. It’s a good thing Orton is a mediocre QB. A better QB with that kind of time to throw would have destroyed them. Thankfully Orton has that Palmer-like quality that gets him to throw to the opposite colored jersey a lot.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:09 am
250.Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 10:02 am
Raiders have given up the 5th fewest sacks in the league, and have the #2 sack differential (total sacks – sacks allowed).
Probably wouldn’t have guessed that would we?
Also, #9 ranked defense in QB rating allowed, just ahead of the Packers.
Probably wouldn’t have guessed that either.
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I think it SEEMS much worse cuz of the timing of when the big yards/plays happen against us.
I will say the Raiders give up a ton of “garbage yards”. Seems like half of the Lion offensive output was done late in the game.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:09 am
# MistaBrown Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 8:15 am
S Mariucci, who is a complete buffoon said thats why R Seymour gets paid the “Big Bucks”. Irvin corrected him and said “Thats not what they pay him for”, thanks Mike!
Nice job on the blocks Seymour but I will continue to hammer you until further notice!
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Don’t forget the 4th down stop that Seymour made yesterday in addition to TWO blocked FG’s. And the game saving tackle on Sanchez on the last play of the Jet game. Without Seymour this would be a five win team at best. Merry Christmas.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:10 am
If you were coaching idiots who take themselves out of plays and can’t make basic tackles, you’d have zero confidence too.
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We had given up 6 points through almost 3 quarters, and played very well the week before for over 50 minutes.
Than he clams up, and drops our MLB 35 yards down the field.
And I didn’t see a tackling problem yesterday. Guys are going to break tackles, they get paid too.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
Off to see my Dallas Mavericks raise the banner in front of D Wade and Lebron!
Have a good rest of the holiday – whether you celebrate or not.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:13 am
It’s a good thing Orton is a mediocre QB. A better QB with that kind of time to throw would have destroyed them
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Mediocre is being too friendly.
That guy sucks, that’s why he was waived and 20+ teams passed on him.
That pass to Giordano, may have been one of the worst passes I ever seen, and certainly a horrific decision for a 8 year vet.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:14 am
Position: Member of the Raider Nation
Requirements:
1. Strong strong heart
2. Stable blood pressure
3. Deep love of silver and black.
4. No problem with playing in an old stadium
(Who needs power, not us)
5. Willing to learn the Raider lore
6. Belief in the ghost of Al
7. Bravery and steadfastness in the long times of woe
8. Hatred for all NFL officials
9. Tolerate the NFL’s tendency to invent new rules just to frustrate Al.
10. No problem with a team staff that well, compared to some teams are non-existent. (We are different)
11. A coach with a bald head and three folds on the back of his neck.
12. Shares a stadium with a triple A baseball team.
(This means you will see alot of green and gold
during those stadium interviews)
13. Ability to comment intelligently on the Raider blog (not a must, but ups your status greatly)
14. Develop a deep hate for Broncos and the like,
Lightning and the like, Kansas City Chiefs and the tomahawk chop, plus the Patriots, Steelers, Lions and
Dolphins.
15. Special hate for the Tampa Bay copy cats.
16. Lastly, a true Raider fan REALLY hates the 49ers.
(Preparing big laugh for when their stadium plans
fall through again.)
December 25th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Qodrn1 Did I win or was I the closest I believe my prediction was Raiders 16 Chiefs 10…
December 25th, 2011 at 10:20 am
I get a kick out of those who saw Kyle Orton will be motivated to stick it to the Bronco’s next week.
The next time I see Orton overtly motivated will be the first time.
He will do his standard Orton thing, provide ZERO big plays for his team, have the killer turnove or two, and amass some garbage-stats to look like he had an average game.
If the Chiefs are going to win next week, it will be due to defense and ST’s.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:22 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Chuck B calls game like he has zero confidence in his D
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I was shaking my head at Jackson that entire game. Why on God’s green earth would you not take a timeout with 38 seconds to go in the half and KC attempting a FG? If they make it, MCCann already returned the opening kick off 90+ yards so you know you have a possible big play. If the kick is missed, you get the rock at the approximate 35 yard line with 36 seconds and one timeout. Then, the best of all worlds happens and we block it, and get the rock at midfield. With no time on the clock. And one timeout in our pocket walking into the locker room.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:25 am
I wouldn’t be suprised if Ricky Stanzi played next week for the Chiefs.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:33 am
I know having a home playoff game would be great for the organization, fans and the city of Oakland, but I would rather the wildcard and go to Houston the first round, than host the Steelers/Ravens.
Packers won the Super Bowl last year as a wildcard, so did the NY Giants a few years earlier.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:44 am
we were the first to win a sb as a wildcard
December 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I give Palmer credit in one respect, he shook off another terrible showing & made the big throw at the end. I didn’t know if he was tough enough to win a game he had to scrap for. Having said that, it wasn’t nearly good enough. We won becuase the chiefs were even worse than we were. We will not win big games with the qb throwing picks the way Palmer does. WE MUST UPGRADE THE QB !
December 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Just 2 yrs ago The Chiefs came into Denver with 3 & 12 record and knocked the Donkeys outta the playoffs with a 44 to 24 whipping… A division foe is enough motivation to go for a win…Kc would love nothing better than to knockoff the Donks….same with Orton…if he’s got a competitive bone in his body he’ll be out for revenge …Same with Phillip Rivers and the Chokers.. They’d love nothing better than to knock the Raiders outta the playoffs…… San Diego will be trying to save Norv turners job … Kansas city will be trying to keep a job for Crennel …. Tons of motivation… But just being Afc west Rivels will mean both the chargers and Kansas city will want to win Game 17…neither the Chargers or The Chiefs will lay down..
December 25th, 2011 at 11:19 am
Happy b-day, kenny ” the snake” stabler!
December 25th, 2011 at 11:21 am
# Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
We will not win big games with the qb throwing picks the way Palmer does. WE MUST UPGRADE THE QB !
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I have to agree that first half of football was one of the worst halves played by a quarterback I have ever seen. And sometimes I watch pee wee football. That being said, Palmer played a very good second half when it really mattered. And who do you propose we bring in to upgrade the Q? Drew Brees? Peyton Manning? T Pryor? Jason Cambell? Stabler?
December 25th, 2011 at 11:22 am
fingers Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:08 am
Just 2 yrs ago The Chiefs came into Denver with 3 & 12 record and knocked the Donkeys outta the playoffs with a 44 to 24 whipping… A division foe is enough motivation to go for a win…Kc would love nothing better than to knockoff the Donks….same with Orton…
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The Bunco’s got embarrassed badly yesterday. Looks like the bell just rang 12 on Cinder-fella.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Lots of Raider / Chief games have been like yesterday’s…. I don’t know what it is but it’s usually ugly nasty games between these two teams…
December 25th, 2011 at 11:25 am
Seymour… Yep… I think The Tebow bandwagon is about to lose its wheels
December 25th, 2011 at 11:26 am
Merry Christmas to the Original & ONLY Nation in sports…
What a gut wrencher yesterday, still in shock of how it all went down…
All i wanted was a win and for next weeks game to matter, got my wish, got my tickets…
Hoping to see all of you in the Coliseum for our biggest Raider game in almost a decade…
Have a Great Holiday, be safe, Raider On!
December 25th, 2011 at 11:29 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I give Palmer credit in one respect, he shook off another terrible showing & made the big throw at the end. I didn’t know if he was tough enough to win a game he had to scrap for. Having said that, it wasn’t nearly good enough. We won becuase the chiefs were even worse than we were. We will not win big games with the qb throwing picks the way Palmer does. WE MUST UPGRADE THE QB !
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Dude, after the Houston game, you praised how great JC was for leading us to a victory after his lousy start. Remember no first down until 2 mins left in the first half? Stop it already. It’s xmas. We won. We got lucky and I’ll take that any day.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:33 am
Raiders…..27…. Chokers ..23….
Chokers will be playing For Norv… And aginst an Afc west rival … And revenge for the Nov 10th game..
December 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
THE RAIDER PREDICTION BOARD
Dedicated to the legacy of Al Davis
Protected by the rally squirrel and Coliseum rodents
2011 Raider Games
First: Ghostraider (exact score) Raiders 23 Broncos 20
Second: Sullivan44 Buffalo 38 Raiders 35
Third: Pretty Rick Raiders 34 Jets 24
Fourth: Sullivan44 Patriots 31 Raiders 14
Fifth: Fingers Raiders 24 Browns 17
Sixth: Zymurge Chiefs 28 Raiders 0 (WTF)
Honorable Mention: LA for PAIN
Seventh: Noone…at all. Broncos 38 Raiders 24
Eighth: La Milicia Negra (exact score (sadly))
Ninth: TheToozFan55 (exact score) Raiders 24 Bolts 17
Tenth: TRIPLE TIE (Exact score) Raiders 27 Vikings 20
R8eray + Just Fire Baby + The Big Banana
Eleventh: Beware of Raiders Raiders 25 Bears 20
Twelfth: Autopalm77 Dolphins 34 Raiders 14
Thirteenth: Sullivan44 Packers 43 Raiders 16
Fourteenth: Raiderdav Detriot 28 Raiders 27
Fifteenth: GG Raiders 16 Kansas City 13
Antispy3 Raiders 27 Chefs 13
Chris in NY Raiders 20, Chiefs 13
ElkGRaider Oaktown 24 Chefs 10
fingers Raiders 33… Chefs 17…
GG Raiders 16 Chiefs 13
ghostraiders Raiders 33 k.c.. 17
imaquaman raiders 24 chiefs 17
PlunkforHOF My beloved Raiders 28 Fat Red Aholes 20
qodrn Raiders 27 Chiefs 24
raidermarty RAIDERS 23 queefs 13
RaiderRetribution Raiders 31 – Kansas City 10
Silverandblack666 Raiders 13 Chiefs 10
December 25th, 2011 at 11:34 am
Palmer nearly three a pick on our own end with time running out in the 4th! He can’t seem to avoid the turnover, & was lucky this wasn’t another 3 pick game. He is looking like a bust.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:35 am
#264 See the above list. Very close though.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:38 am
Not even gonna argue with the ” upgrade Qb people….or the Fire Hue after 1 season people…. Hue will be the headcoach in 2012…. Palmer will be the starting Qb….
And Chuck Bresnahan will be looking for work..
December 25th, 2011 at 11:46 am
Have yourself a Code Black fkin xmas…..let MR cryyyyyyyy……from now on the Raiders will run the AFC wesssssssst…and have yourself a Code Black fkin Christmas now!
December 25th, 2011 at 11:47 am
I didn’t give a damn how you win…..JUST WIN BABY
December 25th, 2011 at 11:51 am
@RUSSLANDE Russell Lande
Despite report that Bill Cowher met with Chargers’ higher-ups, we have heard that the leading man to be the new HC is Jon Gruden.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:51 am
Almost missed flight from Vegas…was at the bar at Excalibur watching the epic OT win….Palmer makes me mad but gutted it out when we needed it….Seymour playing hurt and making huge plays! King Darrius…..RRS I’m on board…..dhb the man….and dmoore is dope……but fk Mike Carey….everytime he refs we get flag city. Someone gotta take that to the league office…don’t want him doing our games again. He hates us
December 25th, 2011 at 11:52 am
Mike Carey is the Joe West of the NFL.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:54 am
I guess we all figured it comes down to week 17……Oakland shall rock and rock with much aggression!
December 25th, 2011 at 11:55 am
Wonder if Gruden would take the San Diego gig.. And if he can get outta his Espn Contract…?…
December 25th, 2011 at 11:56 am
YA…carey is a chump…id love to meet him and show my appreciation
December 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am
The Raiders know the Chokers very well… Know how to beat Rivers … I think the Raiders win… And the Chefs beat the Donks…
December 25th, 2011 at 11:57 am
Sup B, happy holidays
December 25th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Fingers…..orton I bet is studying game film now! Chiefs got a good defense too….Raiders just gotta handle biz vs chargirls
December 25th, 2011 at 11:59 am
Can someone explain how we lose the tiebreaker to Den?
Same record and split the series, division record the same…..what am I missing here? Point total ?
December 25th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Mista…same to u bruh……man vegas I was doubling spiking the punch….walked up strip in Raider attire the whole time….the nation, was deep! Oh and at Excalibur this bronco guy was talkin shhhht….well he got checked by all ofd us…this big mexican cat from LA threatened his life! The nation wants this home playoff game!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:03 pm
Gotta be honest, I’m a big supporter of Carson Palmer, but I’ve been quite concerned with how he’s performed down the stretch in games. Some of it may be due to playcalling, but honestly, I expect him to take over at the end of games and do what needs to be done to get the win. Especially for the king’s ransom we’re paying him. If that means going no huddle to get 1st downs to run the clock out or calling audibles at the line to achieve that same result, I expect him to take more command of the offense later in the game. Especially with his experience and with a rookie head coach, he needs to be doing more to prove that he can handle 4th quarter pressure. So far, he hasn’t done that. Heck, Tim Tebow has shown more moxy and will to pull out games in the 4th quarter than Palmer. And frankly, that’s embarrassing.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
Mista,
We lose because of Denver’s better record versus common opponents. They’ve got us by 1 in that category. That loss to Miami killed us.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
We are so series about penalties we make 2 or 3 per play. 2 guys holding on 1 play ? WTF
December 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
mista….I think afc conf record is why
December 25th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Thanks Chris, dam that sucks!
When you give games away in November they bite you in the keester in Dec.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:06 pm
Method…agree…Ortons sole purpose right now to is neat the Donkeys…he know that team well
December 25th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Yeah miami game is doggin us…but hey we still in it
December 25th, 2011 at 12:07 pm
Watch the replay of that throw to DHB in OT. That was a big time toss. THAT is the kind of throw that not many QB’s make.
Along with those big time throws comes the downside; the picks.
That throw, at the end of a long game shows no weakness in his right arm.
GB couldn’t move the ball on KC.
Give Palmer some credit.
They physical tools are big time.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:08 pm
Plus…the Chefs want Crennel as their head coach… They chiefs knocked the Donks outta playoffs just 2 yrs ago ..44 to 24 in Denver
December 25th, 2011 at 12:09 pm
KC is going to give them a game at least we know they not going to lay down. Romeo wants to win so he can stay HC, Orton wants to stick it to them. Spoiler role….the starts are aligned.
Problem is SD is on the same track. We need DMAC and Ford!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:10 pm
Exactly
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
I dont think L Murphy touched the field TJ is slotting up and D Moore is holding it down. Schilens is just a joke I still dont see how a head football coach cuts Hagan when Schilens and Murphy are there to be axed.
smh
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
*stars/the starts are aligned.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
298.MistaBrown Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:05 pm
We are so series about penalties we make 2 or 3 per play. 2 guys holding on 1 play ? WTF
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…and how many times have we heard that holding can be called on EVERY play in the NFL if they wanted to.
I am convinced there is a bias against the Raiders. Refs know they can call penalties on us and there’s no repercussions.
I’m convinced if they DON’T call penalties on us they risk being questioned by the league. “How could you NOT call penalties on the Raiders?” “You’re not doing your job cuz they are always committing penalties”.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
303.
Yeah, it was. I agree. And I was thrilled to see him make that big-time throw. I just wish he was more consistent in late game situations, to take the pressure off of our questionable defense. Too many stalled drives/punting. I just want to see him take over, like the best (Brady, Brees, Manning) and not best (Tebow) do. I know he’s not Tom Brady, but heck, if friggin Tebow can do it, Palmer for darn sure should be able to do it. I just want to see more moxy and drive in him late in games. Go all out, do whatever it takes to get the 1st down to run out the clock, leave it all out there. And I just haven’t seen that yet.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:13 pm
Palmer picks kill me!…but he fought….Raider Dell is MVP…he texted. Me and said we are destined to win
December 25th, 2011 at 12:14 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
…I am convinced there is a bias against the Raiders. Refs know they can call penalties on us and there’s no repercussions.
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I agree wholeheartedly. To have the gall to call so many holding penalties on us when I see our d-lineman get MUGGED on numerous occasions, throw their hands up in the air to make it clear that they were mugged, and no flag is thrown. I don’t want to give the knuckleheads on our team a copout for the idiot penalties they commit, but the refs sure do focus awful hard on what our team does wrong.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
I’m just happy we got the W…. Lots of our Division games have been Stinkers… Especially our Kc games…
December 25th, 2011 at 12:15 pm
it borders on being a statistical impossibility that Raiders would lead league in flags EVERY YEAR for decades.
With new coaches, players, etc. etc. it doesn’t make logical sense UNLESS there was a constant, year in/ year out pre-disposition to flag the Raiders…for whatever reason.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Louis and Chaz stink but Chaz can do more than Louis….he sucks major pole
December 25th, 2011 at 12:19 pm
But yeah, all in all, it was amazing to get a win, especially at Christmas-time. To think a game actually matters, this late in the season, is almost foreign to me.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
I think they watch the Raiders very closely … More than other teams just because of the rRaiders reputation for penalties… They watch us so closely they miss a lot of the penalties teams playing us commit
December 25th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
310.ChrisinNC Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:11 pm
303.
Yeah, it was. I agree. And I was thrilled to see him make that big-time throw. I just wish he was more consistent in late game situations, to take the pressure off of our questionable defense. Too many stalled drives/punting. I just want to see him take over, like the best (Brady, Brees, Manning) and not best (Tebow) do. I know he’s not Tom Brady, but heck, if friggin Tebow can do it, Palmer for darn sure should be able to do it. I just want to see more moxy and drive in him late in games. Go all out, do whatever it takes to get the 1st down to run out the clock, leave it all out there. And I just haven’t seen that yet.
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Amen. It’s almost obligatory that when the Raiders NEED that key first down to drain the clock and secure a win it’s been ALWAYS a 3 and out.
Those are the huge situations where I wanna see Palmer “take over” as you say. Run for the first if you have to but be the “man” and get it done.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Talk about Jekyll and Hyde, for a while there, it looked like Murphy was the next big receiver for us. Especially the plays he made against our bitter rivals, he fit in perfectly. And I swear, I’ve never seen a player do such a 180 in such a short amount of time. He’s not only NOT what he used to be, frankly, he sucks. Bad.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Refs stink and every play is a flag! WTF! Sick of it but we gotta rise above it
December 25th, 2011 at 12:21 pm
Yep…that W makes the holiday just that much better…
December 25th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
The raiders D and Oline matches up well against SD’s lines. Plus SD is already out so they no motivation to play. They know Norv is done as well so we will win. KC will beat Den. Nobody wants to lose to Tebow, Orton wants revenge, and the players seem to like Crennel. We will host Pitt in the first round.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:23 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:20 pm
Amen. It’s almost obligatory that when the Raiders NEED that key first down to drain the clock and secure a win it’s been ALWAYS a 3 and out.
Those are the huge situations where I wanna see Palmer “take over” as you say. Run for the first if you have to but be the “man” and get it done.
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Exactly, man. It pisses me off beyond measure when I see Tim Tebow, who has barely any actual qb skills, find a way to “muscle” his team to a win. He doesn’t care if he gets broken in half on the way to the 1st down, he’s gonna do everything in his power to get there. And if that sucker can do it, Palmer for darn sure should be able to. He has FAR more talent than Tebow will ever have.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I’m canpin out new year’s eve at Coliseum….fk going out to some lame I gotta dress up party….I’m with my nation family! This is biggest game in 9 years….if we win we play Steelers in Oakland!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I still think the Wheels have already started falling off the Tebow bandwagon…the newness has worn off …lots of film on him now… Orton will have lots of Donkey game plans ..
December 25th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:22 pm
The raiders D and Oline matches up well against SD’s lines. Plus SD is already out so they no motivation to play. They know Norv is done as well so we will win. KC will beat Den. Nobody wants to lose to Tebow, Orton wants revenge, and the players seem to like Crennel. We will host Pitt in the first round.
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I agree, we do match up well. But be careful to question SD’s motivation. The only motivation they need is to see the jerseys across the line of scrimmage. Division foes are the scariest ones to face in this situation, and that’s why. This is their Super Bowl, and I guarantee you they’d love nothing more than to put us out of the playoffs.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:26 pm
315.Method To My Madness Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:17 pm
Louis and Chaz stink but Chaz can do more than Louis….he sucks major pole
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No ones really talked about it, but Louis lost me a bit when he said (about the injury to DHB’s neck) “You see that and it makes you sit back and wonder if you’re in the right profession”. I dont know. I’m taking that to mean the guy is scared of getting injured like that. All guys are to a degree, but here he is questioning whether he should even be playing this sport.
You can’t be a big time player and be scared of getting hit.
I’m not blaming him. I wouldn’t want to get blasted like that either, but I’m not a pro football player.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:27 pm
Edddie Mush, thanks for the picks yesterday.
3 for 3!
You are my hero.
Who do you like tonight?
Don’t hold out on me. I need the money.
Merry Christmas.
Go Raiders!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:28 pm
Fingers,
I really hope so man. It should be falling off. He runs a gimmicky read-option offense, and it baffles me how he got away with it this long. KC has a good defense, and they should be able to dominate this game. Especially if Buffalo’s “defense” can do that to the Broncos. Orton just has to try not to be Kyle Orton for one game, like he did against the Broncos, and I really think they’ll beat them.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
Excuse me, I meant against the Packers.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:29 pm
They can’t change to much of the game plan for Tebow… He didn’t have that much game planning in the first place…… He threw 4 int’s yesterday…the Chefs have a defense that
Matches up well aginst Tebows game …
December 25th, 2011 at 12:30 pm
The Raiders just need to takecare of Raider business… See where it all falls..
December 25th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
Chris, It’s almost like that series they have where they can ice the game is treated like it’s some kind of throwaway set of downs. No urgency to get that done. It’s like “well, we’ll try a couple things here and if we don;t make it..oh well. We’ll give it back to the D to close it out. No problem”.
Newsflash: “PROBLEM”.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:32 pm
That’s right. We win, and I honestly believe we’re in. Even better, we’ve been playing, for the most part, really good at home. I hope there’s a good showing at the Coliseum next Sunday.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:33 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:25 pm
I’m canpin out new year’s eve at Coliseum….fk going out to some lame I gotta dress up party….I’m with my nation family! This is biggest game in 9 years….if we win we play Steelers in Oakland!
I believe if we win and Cinci gets in, it will probably be us against Cinci…but what a way to start the New Year! Still in the race on the last weekend!
On that note! Merry Christmas Nation!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:34 pm
No wait…you’re right B…#4 vs #5 which will be Pitt!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Think bout it fellas…we got shanny fired from denver…gruden from tampa…and now we can schitcan norv officially
December 25th, 2011 at 12:42 pm
Some say we were “lucky” yesterday and I say it’s about time and I wouldn’t have it any other way actually.
We have endured some painful bad luck losses this season and to see another team have to suffer through “what if” analysis like the KC fans, players, and media have to do now gives some form of sadistic glee.
December 25th, 2011 at 12:44 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 12:38 pm
Think bout it fellas…we got shanny fired from denver…gruden from tampa…and now we can schitcan norv officially
True Dat! But I think no matter what, Norv is done in SD! But I would love more than to make it official right after that game!
December 25th, 2011 at 12:45 pm
Funny thing I heard yesterday…was Norv the only coach that was able to hold our penalties down? Like we were in the middle of the pack his two years here?
December 25th, 2011 at 12:47 pm
Happy Holidays Nation! Drink some Egg-Nog with some good Kentucky Whiskey 4 me!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:02 pm
The Chiefs had 88 penalty yards, we had 92.
We gave them 5 first downs on penalties (1 was for jumping offsides) they gave us 4. The 11 penalties on the Chiefs were their highest penalty total all year.
Seems like it was pretty evenly officiated to me.
They could have called Routt for illegal contact 15 times yesterday, lol.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:04 pm
Bleeder….wku came to play and mizzou damn near chalked it vs illinois…lil cuz had 18
December 25th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Don’t be so quick to think Orton will play on Sunday.
They may want to give Stanzi a look and he has been getting reps with the 1’s in practice.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Eddie, who do you like tonight?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:06 pm
Routt is cool! I like him! Y’all can dog him but I like Routt…gave up tds? Yeah but with rules now it will happen. He made so good plays tho yesterday plus a big int
December 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:05 pm
Don’t be so quick to think Orton will play on Sunday.
They may want to give Stanzi a look and he has been getting reps with the 1’s in practice.
You may be right JFB! But that revenge factor may be too good to pass…
December 25th, 2011 at 1:07 pm
You got to pay to play Dr.
I gave you three “winners”, the next three will cost $79.99
December 25th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
Hey and I have to admit…Seymour came up big yesterday…those two blocks were key! And shoot, even Rolando!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:08 pm
I like Routt a lot, but the reason he draws more flags than anyone other DB, is he damn near holds every play.
But at least he makes plays. That INT yesterday was a game changer.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:10 pm
You are like a cash machine.
I love you like a brother.
Who do you like tonight?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:11 pm
What was your team name in Dell’s league?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Merry Christmas Darrius, just keep working hard.
2010 26 rec. for 366 yds 1 td 1 fum.
2011 55 rec. for 845 yds 3 td’s 1 fum.
And Merry Christmas to the NATION.
Yesterdays game had me sayin “I’m coming to join you Elizabeth”
December 25th, 2011 at 1:13 pm
Vegas…..they dumb to not play Orton….this is perfect game to play him
December 25th, 2011 at 1:15 pm
It’s decent enough XMas from these guys since they still have a fighting chance!
After that miserable first half, all I asked from these guys is fight all the way till the end and they did.
The penalties….ugly…Palmers first half….ugly….the defense actually stepping it up…surprising. Carson made the important deep ball throws when he needed to though with pinpoint accuracy! Good job by Palmer to step it up.
Giordano needs to be on this team next year. He is inconsistent, but he plays hard and he plays relatively smart and he gets picks.
Nice to see Seymour Butts step up big yesterday!
Chucky B and that defense got lucky and almost blew it again yesterday by allowing that 70 yard screen to go all the way to the two. Inexcusable!
Chuck B was on the verge of being fired if they would have lost yesterday. Doesn’t matter he will be gone at the end of the season anyways.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:16 pm
Meth – yea, the Ville almost choked it against Western. I would’ve been cool with that L cause that’s where I went to school, but the Ville is my home and the city needs that holiday cheer more than Western does! Peeps would’ve been sick at the crib over that L! The good thing about our past couple of games is Siva hasnt been playing well off the bum ankle and we’re still getting the W’s. Our big man Dieng is slowly turning himself into a star. Another 20 lbs and he’ll play his way into the lottery in a couple years. We’ll see what we’re really about next week though. Got Georgetown and Kentucky on tap!
Yea, your peoples is goin hard out there. I see he’s one of the best in the country at the free throw line too. Nothing wrong with playing Illinois close to the vest. They got a solid crew. Mizzu is looking good.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Whtever happened weeks 1-16 don’t matter now….clean slate…its all about jan 1st fellas…fk rankings and all that jazz….its time to win
December 25th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
Hope all you Raider brothers have a good one today. DAM what a win yesterday. me and my bro (chief fan) had a hell of a time yelling at each other.
Now we need a win next sunday and a win from the chiefs.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
R.I.P. Al Davis
December 25th, 2011 at 1:19 pm
The coaches and players just need to play their azzes off at home and BEAT the Dis-Chargers down! This should be a playoff game to them!
Finish strong….get a win and let the chips fall where they may!
Happy Holidays and Merry XMas Nation!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Al Davis was my name.
Eddie Mush is your name.
Don’t be mad. Just tell me who you honestly think will cover tonight so I can bet against you.
Come on man. Hook a brother up. I need the money.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:20 pm
Yeah bleeder….ville came close but still got a great squad….mizzou is goood but makes mental errors…watching nba now…may go to clips vswarriors tonight
December 25th, 2011 at 1:22 pm
Rrrrrrraaaaaaiiiiuuduuuuuhhhhhss…….
December 25th, 2011 at 1:23 pm
STR! Now that’s a smart football mind…are they on their way to suicide if cowboys losee next week?
December 25th, 2011 at 1:25 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:17 pm
Whtever happened weeks 1-16 don’t matter now….clean slate…its all about jan 1st fellas…fk rankings and all that jazz….its time to win
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You’re right about that. Playoffs have already started for us. One and done from here on out.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
I honestly think now that if the Oakland Raiders are playing in a game the refs almost feel that they have to throw the flag against us. Different players, different coaches and still we lead the league? i mean, yes we do commit penalties but daaaam….
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:26 pm
B@uce,
Orton ain’t coming back to the Chiefs next year, and has been in that lockerroom for 2 months.
They aren’t going to make any organizational moves just to appease Kyle Orton.
They almost started Stanzi against the Packers, and after Orton played like crap yesterday, I see no reason why they wouldn’t start the rookie.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Raaaaaaaiiiiidddddddeeeerrrrrsssssss!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Raiders jump offsides more than any other team in the league.
That’s not subjective, it’s just an astonishing lack of discipline by our players.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Game Balls for the game yesterday: Big Rich, Matty G, Jano, Denarius, the entire Oline, DHB and it hurts me to say this, but this guy has strung two decent games back to back, thank you Rolando.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:28 pm
Vegas….do u know what u are saying? Come on negative talk like that isn’t needed. Stansi ain’t beating denver but Orton can….please don’t bring things down my man. We all feeling great!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:29 pm
True, KC now has nothing to play for except for the coach! I would think they would start the player who gives them the best chance to win, and I think that would be Orton! They have all of training camp and pre-season to see what the rookie got, in my opinion!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:30 pm
man most of my family are cowboy fans and i felt their pain yesterday in that loss, brutal!
its gonna be interesting to see if romo plays sunday cause if you saw his hand yesterday that thing was swollen big time before they bandaged it up.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:32 pm
Orton sucks anyways, if the Chiefs are going to win it will because of their defense and ST’s.
I would OBVIOUSLY rather have Orton than a rookie, but I am just preparing you guys for that rationale of thinking.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:34 pm
That Lamar Houston penalty was so incredibly stupid.
First off, he picks up a loose ball that wasn’t close to a fumble. Refs whisteled the ball dead immediately, and he kept going, than spikes the ball into the ground 3 seconds later like a fool, than throws his hands up once he see’s the flag like why are you picking on me?
And Hue does nothing.
THAT IS WHY WE LEAD THE LEAGUE IN PENALTIES.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
vegas…..Matt Gio is pizano pride…he is slow and unathlethic but smart and has big heart….I dig it
December 25th, 2011 at 1:36 pm
a win and a donkey or/and a bengal loss is how i want us to start the new year!
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
Party line is “Never speak ill of the refs because the League has their back. And theres billions in gambling…”
The fact is both teams played poorly and deserved many flags but yesterdays game had some dubious flags that should be addressed.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:37 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:27 pm
Raiders jump offsides more than any other team in the league.
That’s not subjective, it’s just an astonishing lack of discipline by our players.
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Hello coaching! I have REALLY been on Jackson since week four, but this last game pissed me off more than all the others. Penalties, disorganization, lack of clock management, right there, that should be the kiss of death for any coach. But the last scoring drive, that entire drive, I was saying you HAVE to get six! Go on 4th, I don’t care, you MUST get six. It’s not that we didn’t get six, We didn’t even TRY to get six. We played conservatively, just ran the ball the entire drive, just positioning ourselves for a FG. We did not take one shot. Not one. All that ended up doing was firing up the KC team and their fans. Did anyone think our defense was going to stop them with ONE MINUTE to go?? What did it take, four plays for them to score? We get a TD on our drive, they were done and their fans were in the lot packing up their season.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
I’m counting on NY beating Miami as we all know Baltimore is going to crush Cincinnati, who almost blew a 23 point 4th qrtr lead, if AZ WR doesn’t fall down in the end zone, AZ wins that game.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:41 pm
STR……romo hand is broke I think
December 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Gio has that weird knack for always being around the ball.
Some of his picks and fumble recoveries have seemed incredibly lucky, but no other guy seems to be in those same positions to get the luck.
He is slow as $hat though.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:44 pm
That spiking the ball penalty on Houston was weak azz call by the refs. If it was the Pats, Ravens, Jets, Pitt or the even Harbuaghs Whiners, they would have never thrown that weak flag.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
Division. Nothing less. Dungver was exposed yesterday. So were the Dischargers. We played a good Detroit team very tough and they just rolled the Discharge. We have a good team. Dungver doesn’t. They have to be concerned a Cheat team is going to come in pissed off and ready to play and roll them.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:45 pm
STR….we can di it my man!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:46 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:43 pm
Gio has that weird knack for always being around the ball.
Some of his picks and fumble recoveries have seemed incredibly lucky, but no other guy seems to be in those same positions to get the luck.
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What’s the old expression, the harder you work, the luckier you get?? I think that’s it…
December 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
Luck? Naw gio ain’t lucky….its obvious now. Great move by Al…and how bout Tonga catching the ball? Awesome
December 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
NO one even mentioned Gio rolling araound on the turf in pain at the half.
Came back and dominated. Looked like he broke his da-mb ankle man
December 25th, 2011 at 1:49 pm
That spiking the ball penalty on Houston was weak azz call by the refs. If it was the Pats, Ravens, Jets, Pitt or the even Harbuaghs Whiners, they would have never thrown that weak flag.
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What???????
That has been a rule for years and gets called very, very consistantly.
Can’t spike the ball in the middle of the field.
Pretty easy rule to understand.
And even if they would never call that on ” Pats, Ravens, Jets, Pitt or the even Harbuaghs Whiners,”, Lamar Houston should know that he is not on one of those teams.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:48 pm
NO one even mentioned Gio rolling araound on the turf in pain at the half.
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Dude’s a tough guy. He has knocked himself silly a few times this year and then came right back in the game.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
BTW, anyone see the “tuck-rule” called yesterday on Sanchez?
That was even worse than the snow-job game!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 1:52 pm
Just Fire Baby, don’t be like that.
Come on dude. Just give me your honest opinion.
It doesn’t cost you anything.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Seymour glenn….division is what we want and need
December 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Can’t spike the ball in the middle of the field.
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I don’t mind aggressive penalties. Late hit on Brady or Rivers?? Eh…. Lined up in the neutral zone? Illegal formation?? Can’t get the fooking fake FG off in time? Those are completely inexcusable.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
Lamrr is nuts…he has to know better
December 25th, 2011 at 1:55 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:54 pm
Seymour glenn….division is what we want and need
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Nothing else Bri. Just roll the Dischargers and we’ll see where we are.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Lined up in the neutral zone? Illegal formation?? Can’t get the fooking fake FG off in time? Those are completely inexcusable.
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That was pretty much half our penalties.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Gio was released then re-signed. I think he makes the roster next season. Boyd and MM34 are the ones who will be fighting for a spot in training camp. Who knows about Huff, remember the rumors this past offseason about him going to Dallas.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Your average high school team has more discipline than the Raiders.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
Lamarr Houston is FRKN AWESOME though in short-yardage situations.
Dude is always stuffing things.
Not sure why he can’t do it on 1st and 10, but I’ll take it on 4th and 1.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
These victories are the best. We beat the Chiefs and the refs and for once, not oursevles.
When you can play your worst and still manage a win, you know you’;re on the verge of something good…
December 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
How important is it to have D Moore or Ford on the field for the offense? Very important!
It would be nice to get Ford back for the Dis-Charger game and even T Jones.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:58 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:51 pm
BTW, anyone see the “tuck-rule” called yesterday on Sanchez?
That was even worse than the snow-job game!!!!
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I did see that. But NOTHING will EVER be worse than the snow job.
December 25th, 2011 at 1:59 pm
JFB, so you are honestly not going to tell me who you like tonight???
December 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Not to nitpick but did anyone else get nervous when CP chucked it to DHB in OT and DHB did the old trap the ball against my pads routine? DHB has a weird catching style for an NFL rec.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
# Raiders for life Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 1:56 pm
Gio was released then re-signed. I think he makes the roster next season. Boyd and MM34 are the ones who will be fighting for a spot in training camp. Who knows about Huff, remember the rumors this past offseason about him going to Dallas.
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Gio will be back and so will MM34. Boyd is gone!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:01 pm
Yeah that Lamar penalty was stupid on him…what was funny was that it wasn’t called a delay of game in SD when the receiver caught the ball, went untouched then spiked the ball…which should have been a fumble…but it was an illegal forward pass…true, what he did was very inexcusable though…he did come back and stop that 4th and inches play…
December 25th, 2011 at 2:02 pm
Merry CODE BLACK Christmas Raider fans! Brien.. welcome home.. I split work early to catch some zzz’s before tonight’s gig.. but thought I’d drop in to soak up the good vibe. Teblow is is done.. KC watches last week’s tape and Orton lights up their DB’s.. The Dolts got stomped by a decent Lions team we nearly beat. And now? In our house? for the goods? Don’t think so.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Oh yeah and why wasn’t a penalty called after Suh took his helmet off after he blocked the FG last week?
If it was Seymour doing that, they would have thrown a flag!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
Merry Christmas all you knuckleheads!!
Go Raiders!!
…..and Chiefs(for 1 game only).
December 25th, 2011 at 2:05 pm
What’s up Plunk? Merry Christmas to you and your fam!
Next week is gonna be off the hook!
B, let’s get the lot rollin’ dude! It’s a must!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
Raiders need to continue to get pressure on Cry Me Rivers up the middle and from the his throwing side, because he can’t move at all to his left.
Throw screens to Bush, Cartwright (even as a sneaky play unexpected play when Cartwright is in the backfield)…and Jones if he plays.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:07 pm
404.RDRSshwYOURBUSH29 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 2:00 pm
Not to nitpick but did anyone else get nervous when CP chucked it to DHB in OT and DHB did the old trap the ball against my pads routine? DHB has a weird catching style for an NFL rec.
And 55 receptions and 845 yards later, he’s still catching them. He would already have 1,000 yards had he not been shut down for two games after the first Kansas City game. Just so Hue could get his two chosen guys on the field — Denarius Moore and Jacoby Ford — both very good players, he shut down the most productive receiver we have. All Heyward-Bey does is practice hard, give maximum effort and make plays when thrown the ball; with his hands and against his body like all other NFL receivers. He might not be as fluid as Moore or Ford, but that’s because he’s a lot bigger than they are. (I somewhat question that he’s only 210 pounds.) Heyward-Bey plays hurt, doesn’t complain, and is very humble and well-spoken.
Really, who can rationally object to his #1 WR status on this team?
December 25th, 2011 at 2:08 pm
The whole Refs not letting Orton take that back to back time out? Instead of a 10 sec run off and loss of down + 15 yds the Field Judge runs over to Crennnell and tells him no no, its ok don’t worry…
Then they mark off 5 yds for delay of game.
BS
December 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Thanks Hwnrdr, back at ya.. My new work sched is gonna keep me from the Dolts game, but if there’s a home playoff game, I’ll quit rather than miss it.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Post 412: Well said!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 2:09 pm
Thanks Hwnrdr, back at ya.. My new work sched is gonna keep me from the Dolts game, but if there’s a home playoff game, I’ll quit rather than miss it.
And with staying positive…see you there!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:10 pm
DEV.. DHB has earned due respect from everyone here. IMO
December 25th, 2011 at 2:11 pm
Palmer need to to more pump fakes and look off the his primary receiver. He locks in a bit too much at times.
Play within himself and don’t try and do too much.
This team better not be partying up and drinking the whole week prior. This last game should be viewed as a playoff game!
Everyone needs to play low, play with leverage, keep the pads low, TRY and play smart and physical football for the whole damn game and hope our Chuck B doesn’t screw it up and hope Palmer doesn’t throw picks!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
DHB has stepped up this year like he was supposed to do. It’s been a nice surprise seeing that, the season is not over though.
This teams playoffs start versus the Dis-Chargers on New Years Day!
Play hard and play to WIN…then let the chips fall where they may!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:13 pm
The whole Refs not letting Orton take that back to back time out? Instead of a 10 sec run off and loss of down + 15 yds the Field Judge runs over to Crennnell and tells him no no, its ok don’t worry…
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That was a rule change this year.
Can’t call back-to-back timeouts.
Last year was a 15 yard penalty. This year, you just can’t do it and they won’t call the timeout.
Hence the delay of game, because the play-clock ran out.
Perfect call.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:16 pm
412. Hes unreliable as he-ll, runs banana routes, even watch him do a spin move on a guy one time going deep. Horrible techinque and adjustments in flight.
Just awful and yet…
Hes our Tebow…
December 25th, 2011 at 2:18 pm
Eddie Mush, I now see why you are such a degenerate loser.
You are spineless.
Go Raiders.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:19 pm
25.marios Says:
December 24th, 2011 at 5:46 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/raidersvideo#
Pumped up DHB
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Gotta love when Bush yells…RAIDER NATION
December 25th, 2011 at 2:21 pm
Merry Christmas Nation!
412: Right on! DHB has shown growth this year and is becoming a more reliable weapon BUT he seems to thrive with Moore opposite of him. Obviously Moore gets a lot of attention with his blinding speed when he is on the field. I think this helps DHB immensely, and it showed yesterday.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
HOw about Hue Jackson on the sideline right after KC picks up 13 yds on 3rd and 31 to get in FG range at the close of the half?
Chucky B called a 3 man rush prevent D to alloww the easy pick up to get them in range.
You can read Hues lips as he says “What The F***?!” TWICE…he looks disgusted.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:31 pm
Yup, he really looked disgusted! Bye, Chuck B!
December 25th, 2011 at 2:33 pm
Hue looked disgusted the entire game.
It’s bad coaching on BOTH sides of the ball.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
We were lucky but who gives a crap?.
For the first time in 8 years we are playing meaningful games past october.
I even enjoyed the anger and hate toward the world I felt during the last 3 games we lost, I missed the feeling.
Yesterday’s win was sweet and I don’t care how we got it……I just hope things work out for us come sunday.
Go Raiders!….and thanks for mattering again.
This team really is headed in the right direction, Palmer is still rounding into form, he’s missed some easy throws and failed to locate a ton of open guys but he’ll get there next year and Bresnahan will be replaced by a Hue Jackson guy…maybe Dennis Thurman but I would take almost anyone, even a clearly not ready yet Rod Woodson or Greg Biekert, let them learn on the job.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
Gotta credit Hue Jack for the ballsy calls though. He went for it with the deep strike.
The TD to Moore was set up by the Veldheer hold.
Despite the penalty, the sight of Bush rumbling left side for 15 yds caused the D to hug up a bit despite the D call to guard the deep strike.
Niiiice…
December 25th, 2011 at 2:35 pm
I have never seen a Raider team play that BAD and still Win Baby.
I think we had a little help from the MAN upstairs.
Of course I mean the Lord Almighty, Al Davis.
Just Win Baby.
December 25th, 2011 at 2:51 pm
Kc went into Denver at 3 and 12 two yearsago and beat the Donkeys 44 to 24… Knocked the Donks outta the playoffs… The Chiefs would love nothing better than to knockout the Donks again… And Orton has plenty he wants to prove to the Donks…. He’s also playing for a job with another team next year…Stanzi isn’t starting… The only reason he almost started aginst Greenbay is Orton had a dislocated thumb… Crennel wants a headcoaching job.. He wants a win… Ortons is who he is.. But he also gives the Chefs and better shot at beating the Donks than Stanzi does….. The Chargers are gonna do the same… The last thing they want is the Raiders to beat them to make the Playoffs …
The Raiders just need to take care of Raider business.. See how it plays out ..
December 25th, 2011 at 2:54 pm
Raider / Chef games are usually ugly games… Yesterday’s was very ugly… But these two teams have a way of playing like that when they meet.. If we make the playoffs yesterday’s game will just be a W.. And that’s all that matters..
December 25th, 2011 at 2:55 pm
Just Beat the Chokers…beating them ugly will be just fine
December 25th, 2011 at 3:16 pm
Fingers, if our Raiders had taken care of business as usuall, we would be 11-4 and we wouldn’t be having this conversation. This team has moments of greatness and moments of Chargers. I’m sick over this, Hue needs to put 1 good game together, next week!
December 25th, 2011 at 3:29 pm
AP is hurt pretty badly. He should come cheap. We should trade Bush for AP and a draft pick. Put him on the bench with McFadden and see can make it on to the field first next season. Just think…after Dmac goes down after the first 6 games AP should be about ready to go for the last half.
But most importantly, how cool would it sound to have “All Day” and “Run DMC” as your running backs?
Ok! Sorry…I have been up all night. Merry Christmas Nation!!!!
December 25th, 2011 at 3:35 pm
Win or lose. It’s been interesting this season. Fun to watch. I hope we make the playoffs but i dont think this team is ready yet to do much there after. I do think they will be a force next season with all our young guys a year older and a year wiser. Not to mention holes we can fill with FA’s.
Just glad I could go into each week knowing we had a chance to win.
December 25th, 2011 at 3:52 pm
In regards to play-calling on Defense, you know Hue is the HC. Bresnahan is not free-lancing out there without Hue instructing him what kinds of plays he wants called.
The conservative 4th Qtr meltdowns when we have a lead fall on Bresnahan AND Jackson. If Hue wants to play more aggressively on those meltdown drives, he can, but doesn’t. The only time I’ve seen them do it was against the Browns after the onside kick recovery.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:12 pm
Touche’ GG! I hope they bring the HOUSE on Sunday!
December 25th, 2011 at 4:19 pm
Merry Christmas, Hwnrdr.
Did you see PFT article Cowher interviewed apparently for Chargers job?
Very important then who our GM hire is, it’s all about personnel nous, drafting.
If Cowher does land in San Diego…
Chiefs-Pioli (Patriots 3 AFC titles, 10+ div titles)
Chargers-Cowher (Steelers 2 AFC, 16 div titles)
Broncos-Elway (no experience)
Raiders-??
December 25th, 2011 at 4:26 pm
What a stressful and fugly way to win a game. I was standing up for the entire game, while watching it over at the local dive. To antsy to sit, and I wouldn’t have it any other way..
CAN’T WAIT, for next week!
Mele Kalikimaka, to one and all!….
December 25th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Bob Marley you are full of it man because a few years ago you said it’s not about winning and losing, it’s just about being a Raider fan, part of the family, etc. Remember that? That was your rationale for the melt downs of ‘07 and ‘08. Now we’re on the dcorstep of the playoffs and you’re talking about how great it is to play meaningful games this time of you. Face it, if the Raiders were 2-14 right now you’d be telling us how important this game is while shilling for every last Al Davis holdover. Oh, and Merry Christmas.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:31 pm
BTW, we’re not getting into the playoffs. Refs are going to screw us at every turn. They will not let Tebow miss the playoffs, after all of this.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:33 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Something tells me that Darren McFadden and Jacoby Ford will be healthy enough to play against the Chargers. Same goes for Michael Huff.
about 21 hours ago
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Yeah, and I saw some flying pigs, while walking my dog this morning…
December 25th, 2011 at 4:34 pm
Maybe the officials will attempt to get us both in.
Rorting the Bengals, and Titans, the two teams we mostly need to lose. Jets is okay to win, we always win tiebreakers involving them.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:35 pm
Very True, GG…I haven’t heard about Cowher, goodness, I hope not, but…I did also hear that AJ Smith may be shown the door also! Oh well…let’s see how this all plays out!
December 25th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
Do we own the tie-breaker against Cinci though? I oly know of the Jets…because of head to head…that is why I was rooting for the Cardinals!
December 25th, 2011 at 4:36 pm
…and Jacksonville!
December 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
I posted the tiebreakers before…brb will post again…
December 25th, 2011 at 4:38 pm
Raiders win #6 seed from the following ties…
Bengals-Raiders @ 9-7 (conf rec 6-6 vs 7-5)
Bengals-Raiders-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, raiders over jets on h2h)
Bengals-Raiders-Titans-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, strength of victory eliminates titans next, then h2h raiders over jets)
Titans win #6 seed from the following tie…
Bengals-Raiders-Titans @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, titans win on common games over raiders)
Jets win #6 seed only if Raiders lose and are not factored into the tiebreakers. (haven’t bothered to work out exactly how).
After digesting all that, Raiders have the upper-hand with most of the scenarios favoring us. Except if Jets don’t reach 9-7 too.
We would be incredibly unlucky (but blame themselves for the meltdowns) if we missed out with the only possible scenario (bengals-titans-raiders tie).
Let’s just hope Broncos lose and we win so that we claim the division title instead. Don’t care if that means Steelers or Ravens @ Oakland. If we want to go all the way we’re gonna have to beat Ravens AND Steelers in rounds 1 and 2, or rounds 2 and 3. Or avenge Patriots in Snow Bowl part 2 ten years later!!
If we meet Texans as WC team, we’ll still have to play Ravens/Steelers/Patriots next two weeks.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:43 pm
Interesting, so we WC would mean a Jets win, Bengals loss and Titans win, or if they all lose except us…because Titans and Jets are at 8-7 like us, right? But I agree, We win, KC wins, West Champs! Easiest way…
December 25th, 2011 at 4:48 pm
We just have to make sure we win first. Then we can follow along various scenarios to see which gets us in.
1. Broncos loss = div title
2. Bengals loss = to allow for a tiebreak for WC
3. Then we have to hope for various scenarios…
Want Titans to lose most of all.
If Titans win, we MUST have Jets also win, otherwise we miss out.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:51 pm
Or hope for Jets to win. We win all tiebreakers with Jets involved.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:53 pm
We win tiebreak if it’s just Bengals-Raiders.
We only really need Jets involved IF Titans win.
December 25th, 2011 at 4:58 pm
I know Bengals play Baltimore, Jets at Miami, and Tennessee at Houston…I can see Baltimore, Jets and Houston winning…but yes, we have to win first! Hopefully KC will play inspired enough to knock off Denver!
December 25th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Anyways…you all have a very, Merry Christmas Nation! It will all work out in the end!
December 25th, 2011 at 5:03 pm
Bengals will be motivated to win, and Lewis has a good record against the Ravens. Ravens must win to claim top 2 seed, otherwise they will end up 5th seed. Tough game to predict. If Bengals win, we’re cooked for WC, and must rely on Chiefs to beat Donkeys.
Jets at Miami…Miami will be motivated to win and are actually a very good team. The fear here is Miami winning because…
Texans have no motivation to win this. They can’t improve their seed and can’t drop their seed. A Titans win is most likely here. Hopefully tho, Texans are motivated by the desire to knock the Titans out of the playoff race, as divisional foes.
December 25th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Bob Marley you are full of it man because a few years ago you said it’s not about winning and losing, it’s just about being a Raider fan, part of the family, etc. Remember that? That was your rationale for the melt downs of ‘07 and ‘08. Now we’re on the dcorstep of the playoffs and you’re talking about how great it is to play meaningful games this time of you. Face it, if the Raiders were 2-14 right now you’d be telling us how important this game is while shilling for every last Al Davis holdover. Oh, and Merry Christmas.
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Wow. Someone must not have gotten what they thought Santa was getting them. Or he woke up on the wrong side of the cot.
December 25th, 2011 at 5:24 pm
Btw, for the above scenario…
It should read this:
Bengals-Raiders-Titans-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, strength of victory eliminates titans and jets)
At that stage of the tie-breaking, after bengals eliminated with a 6-6 conference record, the SOV would eliminate BOTH titans and jets at the same time, because the SOV percentages for Raiders, Jets and Titans are not tied themselves. Wouldn’t even have to revert back to a h2h win over Jets.
December 25th, 2011 at 5:45 pm
I nominate GG for Chief Mathmatician of this blog.
December 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Mathematician… jeez
December 25th, 2011 at 5:48 pm
Lol, what do I get in return? Just math problems to solve? Or do I get to analyze other ‘figures’ like Danielle Gamba?
December 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
If so, I nominate PlunkforHOF as your assistant
December 25th, 2011 at 5:54 pm
Done and done!
December 25th, 2011 at 5:57 pm
Alright.. got to load up and off to my Xmas gig..
CODE BLACK protocols remain in effect
December 25th, 2011 at 5:59 pm
Have a good one.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:15 pm
434….Yes, if the Raiders had won 3 more games they’d be 11 and 4 right now and we wouldn’t be having this conversation….they didn’t .. So we are having this conversation …
Not sure I get your point …it is what it is…
December 25th, 2011 at 6:36 pm
[...] Raiders hang on for victory over Chiefs despite poor play Raiders coach Hue Jackson bowed his head as Sebastian Janikowski’s 36-yard field goal sailed through the uprights and gave the Raiders a 16-13 overtime victory over the Kansas City Chiefs on Saturday. On the one hand, Jackson no doubt was thank… [...]
December 25th, 2011 at 6:44 pm
I am not ready to accept that the interceptions are just what comes with Palmers gunslinger mentality. He absolutely needs to repair this part of his game even if it means taking away some of his playmaking ability. That being said I do give him props for being able to make the plays that he did against the Chiefs with virtually no running game.
December 25th, 2011 at 6:52 pm
What I liked about OT.
All game I was thinking to myself, I don’t think I’ve seen Jackson call a play-action fake end-around. We’ve been so predictable, every time the wideout runs around it’s either been Bush between the tackles, or an end-around, if called one we could get a big play.
So first play of OT, was excellent.
December 25th, 2011 at 7:42 pm
djohnnyg Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 10:04 am
What a range of emotions yesterday. I lost the feed online so had to follow with reading the blog comments and nfl.com where they write out what the last play was etc. and I see (in writing) how Raiders had 3 and out, then how KC drove down to Raiders 31, and i thought “this can’t be happening….again”. Soooooo depressing. I finally realized the FG was blocked by reading the posts on here.
Then, had to pray the coin toss went to us cuz I KNEW the D wouldn’t stop ‘em from driving for a fg if they got ball first.
Then I saw on NFL.COM “Darrius Heyward Bey (pass from Carson Palmer) for 53 yds. to KC 23″ and I yelled out “YES”.
When I saw that final score pop up “16-13″ it was a very happy moment to say the least.
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Steve does a pretty good job with the live blog too. You can even comment, ask questions, and he gives some field obdservations. So between nfl.com, this blog and Steves’ live chat, not bad for not gettin the game on tv.
For example, on the last play of OT Steve posts each time:
-Their lined up, snap down
-Kick on the way
-It’s good. RAIDERS win
December 25th, 2011 at 7:44 pm
And yes I thought the OT came down to the coin toss. Felt pretty good if the Raiders won the toss they’d at least get a FG attempt.
And I also knew if we lost the toss, KC probably woulda marched for the win. Sick feeling knowing that.
December 25th, 2011 at 7:48 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 2:25 pm
HOw about Hue Jackson on the sideline right after KC picks up 13 yds on 3rd and 31 to get in FG range at the close of the half?
Chucky B called a 3 man rush prevent D to alloww the easy pick up to get them in range.
You can read Hues lips as he says “What The F***?!” TWICE…he looks disgusted.
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So in other words, Chucky B is gone? Interesting. KC will keep Romeo cause they dont want HueJax picking him up for our new DC. Damn!
December 25th, 2011 at 7:53 pm
Kyle Orton wanting revenge on Denver and the Chiefs playing for Romeos’ job sake = Confidence
Denver coming off two losses and a lot at stake and knowing how KC feels = Pants Pissers
December 25th, 2011 at 8:33 pm
Romeo crennel will have his D ready to shut down teblow. And we will just take the lives out of the chargers and win the west and be in a dog fight with the steelers
December 25th, 2011 at 9:47 pm
Hope everyone in The Nation had a great Christmas. We will crush Diego and KC will stop Tebow and MaGahee. Like the fact that Denver’s secondary is in shambles. Even if the injured guys play they won’t be that effective.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:27 pm
Spot #1 – First Round Bye
The Raiders cannot win this spot
Spot #2 – First Round Bye
The Raiders cannot win this spot
Spot #3 – First Round Home Field Advantage
The Raiders cannot win this spot
Spot #4 – First Round Home Field Advantage
Case 1
Raiders beat the Chargers, and
Chiefs beat the Broncos
Spot #5 – Wildcard
The Raiders cannot win this spot
Spot #6 – Wildcard
Case 1
Raiders beat the Chargers, and
Texans beat the Titans, and
Ravens beat the Bengals
http://www.playoffstatus.com/nfl/raidersclinch.html
December 25th, 2011 at 10:32 pm
Good scenario regarding KC/Den. Crennell’s fighting for the KC head coach job, he has all the incentive in the world to win next week. He’s a defensive minded coach, should shut Tebow and their running game down.
It’s our game that has me concerned. It has choke written all over it. I also think the refs will be doing everything they can to screw us, to get Tebow into the playoffs. They’ll have complete plausibility, with our reputation. (those who promised “build a bully” would haunt us, you’re wise beyond words).
December 25th, 2011 at 10:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 5:14 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 4:28 pm
Bob Marley you are full of it man because a few years ago you said it’s not about winning and losing, it’s just about being a Raider fan, part of the family, etc. Remember that? That was your rationale for the melt downs of ‘07 and ‘08. Now we’re on the dcorstep of the playoffs and you’re talking about how great it is to play meaningful games this time of you. Face it, if the Raiders were 2-14 right now you’d be telling us how important this game is while shilling for every last Al Davis holdover. Oh, and Merry Christmas.
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Wow. Someone must not have gotten what they thought Santa was getting them. Or he woke up on the wrong side of the cot.
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That is so stupid. At least a hundred people have commented here today. Are they all having some kind of sad christmas, too? I mean, god forbid someone can’t step away and use a computer, or their phone. Anyhow, I was just pointing out how Marley was the one who was always about “it’s not about winning”, etc. Now, suddenly, it’s all about winning to him. Now we just have to get him to admit that Jackson’s trade for Palmer was the reason for this success. Because if Kyle Boller was our starting QB right now, we’d be playing for the draft, bud.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:37 pm
Except they’re wrong about a Bengals-Raiders tie.
Raiders win it on better conference record.
Can’t see where they reckon Bengals wins tie over Raiders. I saw NFLN just now say the same thing as you, but I can’t see it.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:39 pm
Actually, strike that lol, that outcome of Case 1 means Raiders-Bengals tiebreaker or Raiders-Bengals-Raiders tie breaker. So yeah, it’s all good.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
* grr
Actually, strike that lol, that outcome of Case 1 means Raiders-Bengals tiebreaker or Raiders-Bengals-Jets tie breaker. So yeah, it’s all good, same as what I had.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:40 pm
But they forget that a four-way tie also means Raiders get the 6th seed. So they neglected that one.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:55 pm
Off topic, but did anyone see how Lakers got robbed today?
Luol Deng jumped up and landed THEN passed the ball in the closing seconds which should have been travelling, then Bulls score the winning basket.
Don’t like it when refs decide the game.
December 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Bush will be motivated to reach his first 1000 yard season. He needs 89. I expect him to run harder than we have ever seen him run. Think back to Gruden’s final game as TB coach.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:01 pm
I may be wrong, but this is my understanding of what we need for the wild card:
- We win and Bengals loss to Ravens and either Titans loss or Jets win.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:02 pm
Kudos to Aaron Rodgers for putting me over the top to win my fantasy league championship tonight.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
I think some of these playoff picture analysts have neglected the four-tie scenario.
If you look at the tiebreaking process of a four-way tie.
bengals are first eliminated due to inferior conf record.
leaves raiders-jets-titans.
common games is the next tiebreaker, but all three teams did NOT have the same four common opponents.
so it goes to SOV, where the titans and jets both are inferior to raiders, so they both get eliminated there.
and even if they only eliminate one team at that stage, it would be titans (who have the worst SOV).
leaving two teams, raiders would win h2h tiebreak over jets.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:09 pm
Tenn vs Houston – not sure.
Balt vs Cinn – Balt
NY Jets vs Mia – Jets
KC vs Den – KC
STD vs Oakland – RRRAAAAAAAAAAIIIIIIIIIIDDDDDDDEEEEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRSss
December 25th, 2011 at 11:13 pm
GG Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:05 pm
I think some of these playoff picture analysts have neglected the four-tie scenario.
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Dont like that scenario. Gives the league to much room to somehow manipulate this thing and eliminate the Raiders. They will find a way to screw us out of this. My guess is they want the four-way. Ouch.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:18 pm
504 Raider Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 10:56 pm
Bush will be motivated to reach his first 1000 yard season. He needs 89. I expect him to run harder than we have ever seen him run
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I’m thinking the same, not bad stats for a late starter. Mike is a RAIDER
December 25th, 2011 at 11:21 pm
Why or why could this team just have beat Miami? Everyone else has.
Sheeesh.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:22 pm
Don’t worry about the playoffs too much.
If the Raiders don’t win the Division, they will probably change the rules due to a yet to be invented
penalty.
Raiders need to win.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Yeah, RaiderCrunch, none of them have mentioned the four-way and you’re probably right, the NFL finding a way to make some BS application of the clear-cut process to deny the Raiders.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:29 pm
Raider D will gitt’er done against the Chargers. Look for “Grand Master Defense Planner Uncle Chucky B Baby” to have his schitt lined up. Yeah. D will gitt’er done. “Grand Master Defense Planner Uncle Chucky B Baby” will be lookin to keep his job and will prove to the world he is “Grand Master Defense Planner Uncle Chucky B Baby”.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:30 pm
the only thing i can think of is this…
after bengals eliminated, the SOV eliminates only one team (and if that’s the Jets because the titans beating the Texans (10-5) would leapfrog their SOV above the Jets beating the Dolphins (5-10), leaving titans and raiders where the titans would beat the raiders on common games.
But let me work out the SOV first if Titans and Jets both win. Currently the SOVs are:
Titans (.375) vs Jets (.392) and Raiders (.442)
brb as i calculate…
December 25th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
If the Raiders don’t win the Division, they will probably change the rules due to a yet to be invented
penalty.
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Offensive foul, aggressive catching #17
December 25th, 2011 at 11:33 pm
But really, SOV should eliminate both Titans and Jets, because the SOVs themselves are not tied.
Eg, conference record tiebreaker. bengals 6-6, the rest 7-5. Because 3 teams are still tied 7-5, they have to go to the next tiebreaker. So if the SOVs are not tied, then that should eliminate all but the Raiders.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:41 pm
Raiders for life Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:32 pm
If the Raiders don’t win the Division, they will probably change the rules due to a yet to be invented
penalty.
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Offensive foul, aggressive catching #17
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GG Says:
December 25th, 2011 at 11:26 pm
Yeah, RaiderCrunch, none of them have mentioned the four-way and you’re probably right, the NFL finding a way to make some BS application of the clear-cut process to deny the Raiders.
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OK. Heres the way it goes down with a 4-way tie:
The league bastards will discount our OT win against the Chiefs claiming since the game was tied at the end of regulation, it therefore counts as a loss, and thus we are eliminated. Typical scoundrel cheats they are will pull this fabricated rule right out of the book.
So it becomes imperative we win against SD and Denver gets blown out. That is our only hope.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:53 pm
SOV is a bit difficult to be sure about because I’ve had to give results for all week 17 games to calculate a final SOV.
For the record…
Titans would end up with .428 SOV
These are the records of the teams they beat…
12-4, 8-7, 4-12, 2-14, 6-10, 4-12, 7-9, 4-12, 10-6.
57 wins, 76 losses, 133 games
57/133 = .428
Jets would end up with .413 SOV
Teams they beat…
9-7, 4-12, 5-11, 7-9, 6-10, 6-10, 5-11, 7-9, 6-10
55-78-133
55/133 = .413
Raiders would end up with .466
Teams they beat…
8-8, 9-7, 10-6, 4-12, 7-9, 3-13, 7-9, 7-9, 7-9
62-71-133
62/133 = .466
As none of the teams are tied on SOV, surely the worst two eliminated leaving the Raiders.
I’m just gonna assume here that the NFL is NOT saying yet the Raiders definitely would go thru in a four-way tie because SOV has to factor in results of week 17 games, and so they can’t say for sure JUST YET that any team is definitely in/out based on SOV.
But trust me, a four way tie will mean Raiders get thru.
December 25th, 2011 at 11:55 pm
* That 8-7 team above that counts for titans is denver and should read 8-8.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:01 am
Unless the NFL are gonna rort the application, by eliminating the Jets on SOV only, instead of BOTH the Jets and Titans.
If that happens it would be BS, because it’s meant to eliminate two at that stage.
This is the official process as per NFL.com quoted below…
Three or More Clubs
(Note: If two clubs remain tied after third or other clubs are eliminated, tie breaker reverts to step 1 of applicable two-club format.)
Ie. “the third or other clubs” part means more than one team is to be eliminated at a tiebreaking stage if more than one CAN be eliminated.
As long as Raiders SOV remains above the other two, and none of them have actual tied SOVs, then Raiders “should” advance.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:03 am
Actually, now reading that again, I think they do only eliminate one team only at that SOV stage. Which would leave Raiders and Titans left, and therefore in a two-team tie-breaker, the Titans would eliminate the Raiders on common games.
So okay, I can see how now…if that’s what the quoted bit means. Which it does sound like when i read it over and over.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:03 am
But it’s very ambiguous because it CAN read like more than one team can be eliminated at a tiebreak stage.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:04 am
Eff it, let’s just hope the Texans beat the Titans to be damn sure anyway.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:10 am
So it would be…
Raiders win #6 seed from the following ties…
Bengals-Raiders @ 9-7 (conf rec 6-6 vs 7-5)
Bengals-Raiders-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, raiders over jets on h2h)
Titans win #6 seed from the following tie…
Bengals-Raiders-Titans @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, titans win on common games over raiders)
Bengals-Raiders-Titans-Jets @ 9-7 (conf rec eliminates bengals, strength of victory eliminates jets, titans win common games over raiders)
Jets win #6 seed only if Raiders lose and are not factored into the tiebreakers. (haven’t bothered to work out exactly how).
December 26th, 2011 at 12:11 am
According to PFT:
Raiders: Clinch the AFC West and the No. 4 seed by beating the Chargers and a Broncos loss. If the Broncos win, the Raiders can still get a wild card if they win and the Bengals lose, plus either the Titans lose or the Jets win.
Not that PFT is the authority or anything, but that take would suggest the Raiders get in on a four-way tie or a three-way tie with the Bengals and Jets or just a two-way tie with the Bengals.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:15 am
According to the AP:
Oakland Raiders:
- Clinches wild-card spot with:
Win AND Cincinnati loss AND Tennessee loss or tie OR
Win AND Cincinnati loss AND N.Y. Jets win
December 26th, 2011 at 12:21 am
Yeah, looks like four-way tie, titans go thru, because when eliminating three or more teams, you can only eliminate until you have two teams left so that they then switch to a two-team tie-break process.
But i think that’s unfair because the SOVs are all not tied themselves, more than one team CAN be eliminated.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:26 am
There might be a chance the raiders can still get thru on a four way tie…if other results happen that changes the titans SOV w-l record enough that it ends up below the Jets SOV. Making them get eliminated at the SOV stage, not the Jets.
But i think this might be wishful thinking because if the Titans beat the Texans, that gives them a 10-6 team to add to their SOV.
December 26th, 2011 at 12:30 am
Just have to look at the Titans clinching processes (using the link Sullivan posted before)
http://www.playoffstatus.com/nfl/titansclinch.html
Case 3 below is a four-way tie.
Spot #6 – Wildcard
Case 1
Titans beat the Texans, and
Jets beat the Dolphins, and
Ravens beat the Bengals, and
Chiefs beat the Broncos
Case 2
Titans beat the Texans, and
Jets beat the Dolphins, and
Ravens beat the Bengals, and
Chargers beat the Raiders
Case 3
Titans beat the Texans, and
Dolphins beat the Jets, and
Ravens beat the Bengals, and
Broncos beat the Chiefs, and
Raiders beat the Chargers
December 26th, 2011 at 12:40 am
All the endless and ridiculous prattle about reaching the playoffs: if we do make the playoffs we’ll lose the first game; there can be no doubt about that: beating the KC meant nothing except to demonstrate just how bad we are. The current state of KC is that of a drunken sailor who has lost a fight and lies semi-conscious with a broken jaw and a severe concussion. We attempt to steal his wallet and he pulls us down and beats us severely; we barely get away: that is KC. Beating them is nothing to celebrate. The reason Hue the magnificent was so relieved at the end of the game is because he knew if we lost to KC he would be fired.
To next season: attenuate the taint of Stank AL, for whom we are eating the rotten fruit cultivated in the latter part of his reign over the team. AL was a dementia victim, had completely lost his judgment and operated in a retro-universe from 1983, date of the last Super Bowl the Raiders won. In truth Stank AL should have been run out of the league when he figured out how to make more money winning lawsuits than football games. Now it’s time to attenutate his taint; it’s time for Mark and Ms. Trask to hire the best GM on the market, blow up the team as we currently know it, with a top priority of dismissing Hue, Bres, most of the subcoaches, at least 2/3rds of the D, and at least 1/3rd of the O, at a minimun. Retain JC as QB, Bush as RB, most of the draftees from 2010, and some 2009. Definitely cut McClain, the raft of worthless CBs, most of the defensive line and Darren McFadden.
My question is: who the hell in Boyd ? Egads to the poor guy; who would hire and play Boyd at his current sub-professional level. It’s a real mystery to me.
December 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Two blocked FGs vs KC, that’s more than extremely lucky. In all probability, that KC game would’ve been BACK-TO-BACK last-second capitulations (lions and Chiefs) that would’ve seen our losing streak at 5 games and knocked out of the playoffs.
And this would’ve been DURING Palmer’s reign. Having traded two 1sts* to make a run for the division title. But we could so easily be looking at a 5 game losing streak right now. Maybe even a longer one, given how the Vikings and Bears almost beat us too. That could’ve been a 7 game losing streak since acquiring for Palmer. Or a 5 game losing streak since acquiring Palmer. Definitely a 3 game losing streak (at 7-4).
December 26th, 2011 at 1:08 am
We really haven’t gotten what we paid for out of Palmer, what Hue ‘expected’ in having Palmer. Which is 5 lost games, 3 in a row, almost 4 in a row to go from 7-4 to 7-8 if Seymour didn’t block two FGs (which is unheard of in football history).
Not to mention Palmer’s TD:INT ratio.
If we’re lucky and limp into the playoffs, anything can happen, Raiders and Palmer could play lights-out and go far. But if you were looking from the outside-in on Hue, the trade, the DC, the play-calling, the roster, and the results and penalties etc, it’d be like waking up after a drunken night and realizing you took home a fat ugly girl instead of what you thought you got.
Despite all the positivity and glass half-full aspects of this season and still having a playoff chance, the cutthroat appraisal of things is grim and a shake-up needs to happen in 2012.
December 26th, 2011 at 1:13 am
Imagine then, making the playoffs and winning thru to the Super Bowl on some miraculous streak no one can even envision happening.
Suddenly, a shake-up wouldn’t seem necessary, but there’d still be stuff needing a shake-up.
December 26th, 2011 at 1:26 am
404: Not to nitpick but did anyone else get nervous when CP chucked it to DHB in OT and DHB did the old trap the ball against my pads routine? DHB has a weird catching style for an NFL rec.
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Denarius Moore also craddled that ball like it was a new born baby! I don’t care how DHB caught that ball. I like the fact that he went down. It demonstrates that he learned from last week, when he basically lost the game when he tried to break for the endzone and Detroit knocked the ball out of his hands and kept them within striking distance. Dhb went straight to the ground and I am glad he did. Raiders Win!!
December 26th, 2011 at 1:32 am
Chris Johnson was the point of least resistance. Since he is gone, Sheppard came in and is doing a good job. Now route is in a major portion of big plays, usually on the toast end of most. Route knocked the ball away from Bowe on the play immediately preceded by the the Gio interception. Then his interception played a major role in this win. But Route gets paid way too much to me toasted so often. They pick on him every week because Lito is holding up his end.
December 26th, 2011 at 5:54 am
I’m just concerned with winning our game against SD. That will be the toughest challenge within itself concerning the playoff scenerios.
Idk about anyone else, but i watched the Titans play the last few weeks and they they have to be the most boring team to watch. If they make it to the playoffs i’m sure they wouldn’t make it past the first round. C Johnson has been terrible with the exception of a few games. I hope Arian has a 200 yard game against them and their (Houston)D should be able to control the game (if they don’t rest their starters)
December 26th, 2011 at 5:57 am
What’s up with Route lately? He has his hands all up and down the WR’s way beyond the 5 yard mark like a 14 y/o boy feeling up his first hoochie.
December 26th, 2011 at 6:25 am
Tenn does not deserve to be in the playoffs imo. They have a cake schedule and have only 1 win against a playoff calibur team.
Balt: W
Pitt: L
Hou: L
ATL: L
NO: L
December 26th, 2011 at 6:30 am
No one could argue with that. Hopefully, the Texans sweep them and Titans deservedly miss out.
December 26th, 2011 at 6:52 am
Maybe it’s too much rich food and booze but I’m convinced that Chucky B is,in actual fact,Santa Claus.
Shut up Neilb I hear you say but,think ’bout it,he gives the other team so many gifts – who else could he be?
December 26th, 2011 at 7:11 am
Heard the guys on the NFl channel say just last night that the Networks really want Timmy Tebow and the donkeys to win the Afc west……
I’m not suprised either…
December 26th, 2011 at 7:17 am
#518… Good one……
December 26th, 2011 at 7:41 am
512.GG Says:
December 26th, 2011 at 1:02 am
Two blocked FGs vs KC, that’s more than extremely lucky. In all probability, that KC game would’ve been BACK-TO-BACK last-second capitulations (lions and Chiefs) that would’ve seen our losing streak at 5 games and knocked out of the playoffs.
And this would’ve been DURING Palmer’s reign. Having traded two 1sts* to make a run for the division title. But we could so easily be looking at a 5 game losing streak right now. Maybe even a longer one, given how the Vikings and Bears almost beat us too. That could’ve been a 7 game losing streak since acquiring for Palmer. Or a 5 game losing streak since acquiring Palmer. Definitely a 3 game losing streak (at 7-4).
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Kansas City has a very talented and tough defense that is playing well right now. They held the Packers to 14 points, so struggling against that defense shouldn’t have been a shock to anyone. Carson Palmer is not responsible for our defense allowing the Chiefs to get into field goal range at the end of the regulation, nor is he responsible for our defense melting down against Detroit the week before. For that matter, he is not responsible for both lines getting completely dominated by the Dolphins a few weeks ago. We actually had the Lions game well in hand until Chuck B’s boys decided to ease up and let them come back and win the game.
Has Palmer been inconsistent at times? Yes. To say that we could have lost both games “during Palmer’s reign” is intimating that he had something to do with the defense collapsing at the end of both ballgames, and that is just plain inaccurate. The defense has to make stops when the time comes to make stops; allowing Detroit and KC to go the length of the field on their final drives, two games in a row, is inexcusable and has nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
December 26th, 2011 at 7:50 am
If you hadn’t noticed tho, the offense (both QB and play-calling) has been woeful thru that stretch of games too.
The offense hasn’t been carrying the defense, like many somehow mistakenly think. The offense and defense both sputter, play inconsistently.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:00 am
I have noticed. However, in both of the last two games the Raiders have had the lead prior to their oppponent getting the ball for the last time in regulation.
Pretty simple, really. The defense does its job, we win both games in regulation instead of losing one and having to block a second field goal just to get to overtime.
I don’t know about you, but I was fairly confident our offense could at least get into field goal range if we got the ball to start the OT. I was CONVINCED that we would lose if KC get the ball first.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:06 am
Look, Palmer > Campbell. But…
Do you remember the criticisms Campbell was getting for missing some downfield throws? For throwing some bad picks (vs Patriots)?
Palmer has had enough time since signing to get football acclimated. Only last week he missed two wide-open receivers that would’ve resulted in killing off the Lions. The offense failed just as badly as the defense in that game at the end melting down.
My point is…the defensive meltdowns at the end are just as bad as the offense melting down…all the missed throws, the glut of bad interceptions by Palmer costing us points on the board, the stream of three and outs in a offense-friendly NFL, the absolutely stupid decisions by Hue to not take the 3 points, the predictable play-calling dive-dive-slant-punt.
Don’t forget the Bears game. Where the defense mauled the Bears, and the offense had a ton of possession but couldn’t put the Bears away. SIX field goals to Janikowski! Three of them over 50! Meaning Palmer/Hue couldn’t get us beyond their 35 on offensive drives.
I’m intimating that Palmer and Hue have to REALLY lift their game on offense. It’s not a strength. And if we get into the playoffs, it’ll have to be functioning at top gear if we want to beat anyone.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:20 am
And before the Chiefs had that very last possession to get into FG range, the Offense had possession of the ball, and only had to get a couple first downs to end the game at 13-13 and go into OT or actually get into FG range themselves. But they couldn’t even convert, and left the Chiefs with a chance to get into FG for that last blocked FG. Which was a miracle from Seymour to save our bacon.
And last week Palmer holding on too long, taking a sack, and DHB dropping a pass that all resulted in a 65 hail mary FG attempt, the offense melted down not getting into a manageable 40-50 FG attempt.
Everyone’s riding Bresnahan/Defense (and rightly so), it’s the most popular easiest thing to grrr at and blame. But I’m asking everyone to appreciate that…
1) Hue Jackson is the HC, Bresnahan doesn’t freelance the play-calls, Hue oversees it, Hue and Bresnahan talk thru the game what to do, Hue can tell Bresnahan to call other things, he is also to blame, and
2) to see that all the offensive bungles are equivalent to defensive bungles, and all the late defensive meltdowns are equivalent to late offensive meltdowns where they fail to close out games, to kill off a team, etc.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:21 am
“We’ve been working hard out on that field with each other since training camp. We’re not going to go out next week and just lay down,” Flowers said. “We’re just going to play Chiefs football and try to win us a game. We definitely want to get a win for Romeo.”
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Atta Boy, win one for Romeo…and Tha Raiders!!
December 26th, 2011 at 8:30 am
GG,
Your original point stated that the two game losing streak (which could have been five, or seven, somehow) happened “during Palmer’s reign”.
What I’m trying to say is that, while Palmer has made some bad throws and some bad decisions, saying that all this has happened during his “reign” is a bit unfair. The Raiders scored 27 points against the Lions. 27 points is enough to kill them off if your defense is not collapsing down the stretch. The Raiders scored two more points against the Chiefs than the Packers did, and when Palmer left the field for the last time in regulation his team was in the lead.
Football is the ultimate team sport. If your o-line gets dominated like they did against the Bears and the Dolphins, your offensive production is going to suffer. If your defense collapses against teams and loses leads at the end of games it’s a bit hard to blame the offense, when they left the field with the lead. Carson Palmer wasn’t here when the Bills came back and scorched our defense in the second half, and he certainly wasn’t playing defense when Denver scored 31 points in the second half on November 6th. Our offense is averaging 21.6 points per game after the first KC game. Our defense is giving up 27.
The offense hasn’t been lights out, granted. We haven’t lost games because of our offense, though. We HAVE lost games because of our defense, however. If things are or aren’t happening under anybody’s “reign”, it’s Hue Jackson’s and Chuck Bresnehan’s, not Carson Palmer’s.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:41 am
Edward Teach…
I mention Palmer because he leads the offense on the field, and he has had stretches of bad play himself. The glut of interceptions especially.
He is not without blame either. He needs to dramatically lift his game, yes/no? Can’t keep excusing Palmer.
Obviously, the intimation from me was that Palmer in hindsight hasn’t given back the value of what we gave away to get him. He hasn’t been lights out. He needed a month to acclimate etc, but in the last month we’ve gone from 7-4 to 7-7 (and very nearly 7-8, or very nearly 9-6) under him.
It’s a team game tho, for sure. That was actually my point. Not just blaming everything on the D and Bresnahan, but acknowledging the O, Hue, and Palmer too.
December 26th, 2011 at 8:52 am
We need a new blog post to change up the topic
December 26th, 2011 at 9:23 am
It’s a team game tho, for sure. That was actually my point. Not just blaming everything on the D and Bresnahan, but acknowledging the O, Hue, and Palmer too.
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top 10 offense both years with Hue this year D is one of the worse. Would love to see how are team does with a competent DC and would love to see how CP fares with DMAC. So if Tebow loses, might we see JC in Denver?
December 26th, 2011 at 9:52 am
Not to nitpick but did anyone else get nervous when CP chucked it to DHB in OT and DHB did the old trap the ball against my pads routine? DHB has a weird catching style for an NFL rec.
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What are you talking about? I get nervous on every snap, offense or defense. Even the coin toss.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:18 am
Looking good for a playoff appearance.
Just hoping we can get healthy for this stretch of games.
Getting Taiwan Jones and Mike Huff back would be 2 HUGE additions.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:20 am
Palmer!!!!
Could you please take a page outta Glo’s book and check it down from time to time??!!??
December 26th, 2011 at 10:23 am
Oh …
And the Lakers are going to win their 6th title.
LOVE the defense Brown is installing.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:37 am
So basically we are eliminated if the Bronco’s and Bengals win right?
I am kind of worried about that Bengals game a little. Ravens have played some bad ball from time to time.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:39 am
Need an update Steve. Is D-mac doing anything at all?
He’ll need to get in some playing time against SD if he’s gonna be any use in the playoffs.
What’s going on???
December 26th, 2011 at 10:42 am
The Dubs last night looked like the Dubs.
Terrible defensive rotations, turnovers at crucial points, and really cool jerseys.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:47 am
How long before Mike Brown benches D Fisher?
Goudelock will be starting sooner than later with Blake backing him up.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:51 am
Props to Mitch Kupchak for finding gems like Goudelock, Ebanks, and Caracter. And for upgrading our frontcourt depth with McRoberts and Murphy.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/12/26/even-with-a-huge-home-game-bengals-struggling-to-sell-tickets/
Still the Bungles.They don’t deserve the chance to go to the play-offs.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:53 am
Kobe’s turnovers at the end of games has to be troubling.
He did that last year as well. Incredibly careless with the ball at the end of games.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:54 am
Sorry JFB, but I’d rather have the home game against the Steelers.
December 26th, 2011 at 10:58 am
Palmer has a ton of experience against either the Steelers or Ravens.
I just think a road game against the Texans may be the easiest road playoff game in the history of the NFL.
They just lost to the Colts for Christ Sakes!!!
December 26th, 2011 at 10:59 am
Kobe is the last person you need to worry about.
Certainly tried to do too much early in the game, but was MUCH better in the 2nd half.
Lakers will be slightly better than .500 the first 10 games or so but will go on a BIG surge once they get Brown’s system down and that damn triangle outta their system.
Lakers are playing defense. They held that team to under 90 pts. Never thought that could happen. Very encouraging!
December 26th, 2011 at 11:02 am
I see your point and want to just falt out say your right we have a MUCH better chance of winning against the Texans.
You know what …
You are right.
Especially if there is any chance in hell we get to play Denver if they happen to win too.
December 26th, 2011 at 11:04 am
Roll the Texans …
Go to Denver and ROLL the Tebows …
Outscore the Patsies 42-41 to go to the bowl!!!!
December 26th, 2011 at 11:28 am
DETROIT — A fitting end.
Say the Chargers were lifeless, uninspired, flat.
That would be difficult to argue given the fact the Detroit Lions led by 24 points at halftime, the Chargers didn’t score until the third quarter and went on to lose 38-10 in a game they had to win for meaning to continue in their season.
“It’s hard to put into words,” tight end Antonio Gates said afterward. “Disappointment is an understatement.”
Said linebacker Takeo Spikes: “It’s very disappointing to know we had this much on the line, just as much as they did … They played better than us. They wanted it more than us. It showed out there on the field.”
Blame the head coach, blame the defensive coordinator.
The fact is, however, and more importantly going forward, the Chargers defense was exposed for what it is and what it doesn’t have.
No playmakers, no answers.
Criticizing defensive coordinator Greg Manusky might be too easy – not to mention irrelevant — even if it appeared he was once again outmaneuvered by his offensive counterpart on the other sideline. Spikes and safety Eric Weddle may or may not have been the only defenders to have showed up. Tough to tell.
“We’d been playing pretty well,” cornerback Quentin Jammer said. “Today, we got our asses handed to us … It’s embarrassing.”
Calling what the Chargers played Saturday a zone coverage implies there was coverage. To say they only rushed four players most of the time suggests they had a pass rush.
The Lions’ first play was a slap in the face, the bulk of their next few dozen plays was a collective knockout punch.
“It’s disappointing,” head coach Norv Turner said. “I expected us to play better. They have a lot of weapons … They took advantage of their weapons, spread the ball around. Their tight ends caught a lot of balls, and they made big plays up the field with their wideouts. They spread us out awfully well.
“We felt our best chance – we’ve been rushing the passer better – was to get some pressure. We really weren’t able to get pressure on the quarterback, and when we did he did a great job moving around, buying time and finding open guys down the field.”
The Lions came into Saturday with the league’s No.4 scoring offense and fifth-ranked passing offense. Saturday was the sixth time this season they scored 34 or more points.
But this was something else.
The Chargers’ pass rush was a whisper. Their coverage could not hold – not when it had to for eight seconds, almost never when it had to find a tight end in the middle of the field, rarely when Calvin Johnson was the intended target.
Quarterback Matthew Stafford completed nine of his first 10 passes and threw for 373 yards without connecting on his only fourth-quarter attempt. Brandon Pettigrew’s nine receptions were a team record for a tight end. Johnson caught just four passes — for 102 yards and a touchdown.
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