Odds and ends from Sunday’s game
By Steve Corkran
Sunday, January 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders blew away the all-time records for penalties and penalty yards on the strength of eight for 64 yards Sunday in a 38-26 loss to the San Diego Chargers.
The Raiders finished with 163 penalties for 1,358 yards, eclispsing the 158 for 1,304 posted by the 1998 Kansas City Chiefs.
2012 SCHEDULE
The Raiders finished tied with the Chargers and Denver Broncos at 8-8 in the AFC West. However, for scheduling purposes they are considered the third-place team by virtue of tiebreakers.
Therefore, the Raiders play the third-place teams in the AFC South and the AFC East, with the Jacksonville Jaguars coming to Oakland and the Raiders playing the Miami Dolphins on the road.
The Raiders also play the four AFC North teams and the four NFC South teams as part of the regular rotation. Their six other games are against the three AFC West foes.
WHAT’S IN A NUMBER?
The Raiders posted an undefeated mark in divisional games away from the Coliseum for the second straight season. On the downside, the Raiders lost all three of their games against AFC West teams at home this season.
BUSH, HEYWARD-BEY NOT SO GRAND
Running back Michael Bush and wide receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey came up just shy of notching 1,000 yards for the first time in their respective NFL careers.
Bush rushed for 66 yards Sunday and finished the season with 977. Not bad for a player who started the season as a seldom-used backup to Darren McFadden.
Heyward-Bey caught nine of the 17 passes thrown his way Sunday for 130 yards. He finished the season with 64 receptions for 975 yards and four touchdowns in his breakout season.
The Raiders still haven’t had a 1,000-yard receiver since 2005, when Randy Moss tallied 1,005.
GIORDANO PICKS OFF TITLE
Safety Matt Giordano’s first-quarter interception marked his fifth of the season. It snapped a tie he held with cornerback Stanford Routt and held up as the team-high for 2011.
The Raiders won all four games in which Giordano had an interception before Sunday’s break from routine.
SACKLESS DAY
Philip Rivers attempted 26 passes Sunday without being sacked. Heck, he didn’t get hit much, either.
The sackless effort means that defensive tackle Tommy Kelly gets the sack title for the Raiders this season. He finished with 7 1/2.
PALMER’S MIXED BAG
Carson Palmer passed for 417 yards and two touchdowns Sunday. He also was intercepted once. Overall, he finished with 13 touchdown passes and 16 interceptions this season.
The 417 yards is the third most in Raiders history. Jeff Hostetler passed for 424 on Oct. 31, 1993 and Cotton Davidson had 419 on Oct. 25, 1964.
EXTRA POINTS
*The Raiders allowed 153 yards rushing Sunday. For the season, they allowed an average of 136.1 yards per game.
*Rookie wide receiver Denarius Moore’s 78-yard reception in the third quarter resulted in the longest reception of any Raiders player this season. His 61-yarder against the Chiefs last Sunday had been the standard bearer.
*Tight end Kevin Boss suffered a concussion at the end of his 22-yard touchdown reception in the fourth quarter.
*Shane Lechler’s 58-yard punt was the only punt of the game.
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January 1st, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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January 1st, 2012 at 8:31 pm
January 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
*Shane Lechler’s 58-yard punt was the only punt of the game.
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Exactly. In this new-age offense-friendly pass-happy NFL, more D’s are mediocre and very few outstanding Ds. As someone posted in the other thread. We had 2 TDs and 4 FGs (6 scoring drives). The Chargers had 5 TDs and 1 FG (6 scoring drives).
The offenses were the difference as much as the defenses.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Cowboys season just ended.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:34 pm
After seeing the play on TV I’m wondering how that was NOT a safety! We would have got the ball back and moved to within 3 points!
Momentum KILLER
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Cam Newton vs Terrelle Pryor in the 2012 game is gonna be huge.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Really have to evaluate the alumni coaches. I’m all for showing loyalty to ex-players, but to assume they’re gonna cut it as a coach doesn’t seem to be working.
I’d say the only assistants who did OK were Wylie and Wiz.
Who the hell is Sanjay Lal? Where did he come from and why is he ruining receivers?
I’d say no coaches are safe. Including the great Willie Brown…
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
stunk
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Not a safety FFS. For a safety to be awarded, no part of the ball can break the plane of the goal. Like a TD but going the reverse way.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
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January 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Tui
Collins
Aaron Brooks
Andrew Walter
Culpepper
McCown
Russell
…
Palmer for 300, again! Breath of fresh air.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:36 pm
D_VanDyke8 DeMarcus Van Dyke
Say a prayer for the fan that fell out of the stands after the game.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
These guys must of bought into Cork’s prediction of SD mailing it in. Thanks Cork!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Pryor couldn’t beat out Boller for backup QB all season.
That’s bad.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:39 pm
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January 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Hue has to temper his WR love affair and let some TE action slip a lot more than he did this year. Boss was actually an upgrade over ZMiller but looking at the stats, you’d never know it.
Assuming he can catch, I know he can’t pass block in protection. Tiwan Jones seriously needs to be looked at as a slot WR. We need to be able to get the ball to him in the open. Having a super-Welker type receiver in the slot would do much for our offense.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Cam Newton vs Terrelle Pryor in 2012 is on the cards.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
98 1/2 focking yards
January 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
There was no competition Pryor came in late and that was that.
Moron
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alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Pryor couldn’t beat out Boller for backup QB all season.
That’s bad.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:40 pm
wasnt 99 and a half…. DAMN IT!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Hue couldn’t out-coach and out-prepare and out-2ndhalf-adjust a lame duck Norv.
That’s bad.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
To he ll with Al Davis’ stooge Bresnahan and every member of the Oakland Raiders defense. They are all worthless excuses for football players.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:41 pm
99 1/2 focking yards. Thats even worse
January 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
You see Shaun Lee, that’s a MLB. That kid is a stud.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Oh and Terrelle Pryor vs Tim Tebow (Jacksonville) is on the cards too, after Elway trades him to them.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Pryor had plenty of time to pass Kyle Boller on the depth chart.
I mean, it’s Kyle Boller.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
How much time did other rookie QBs need? Oh, just a few weeks.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Mark Davis has a heck of a job on his hands now. He has to hire a GM to lead this team for the next decade! This decision will determine whether the Raiders stay in the bottom of the NFL or emerge as a REAL NFL team!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
2012 SCHEDULE
The Raiders finished tied with the Chargers and Denver Broncos at 8-8 in the AFC West. However, for scheduling purposes they are considered the third-place team by virtue of tiebreakers.
Therefore, the Raiders play the third-place teams in the AFC South and the AFC East, with the Jacksonville Jaguars coming to Oakland and the Raiders playing the Miami Dolphins on the road.
The Raiders also play the four AFC North teams and the four NFC South teams as part of the regular rotation. Their six other games are against the three AFC West foes.
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Holy Sh!t…
Miami – blew Raiders out this year and last year.
AFC North
1. Steelers
2. Ravens
3. Bengals
All playoff teams
4. Browns – almost came back on Raiders and put JC out for the year.
NFC South
1. Saints
2. Falcons
3. Panthers
That’s 2 playoff teams and Cam Newton
Plus the AFC West
January 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
What happened? How did the Cowboys get the ball back without NY scoring? One second I look up and the Giants pick it off deep in Cowboys territory. Next thing I know Cowboys have the ball again and the score’s still 21-7. Never mind. Cowboy’s still alive.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:44 pm
lol GG
the lone racist voice in the wild, hating on Hue, while the rest of the universe talks about the D.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Did Brien fall out of the stands?
January 1st, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Hue’s intelligence needs to be questioned. He has no concept of when to go for 2 points. He appears not to understand how to kick a field goal before time expires. Hue gets a C- from this season ticket holder for this failed season!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:46 pm
wasbanned
that is a tough schedule, but I guess every division has legit teams nowadays.
Last year was our best chance, playing the NFC west and AFC South.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
That post #31 finally cements you as a complete moron. I’m racist now for being anti-Hue, but somehow being pro-Pryor over your pro-Palmer isn’t included? What a moron. Finally proved it once and for all to everyone on this blog.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
This season is dedicated to the “maddem 12 gamers” and the “this is a passing league” posters who discounted the importance of building a good defense.
Can’t stop the run with substandard players on the d-line, terrible linebackers and no corners.
Maybe finally this team will invest in defense.
As a defense 1st guy, this was the worst season of raider football since 2006
January 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
CODE BLACK!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
beach, I like that you were specific enough to put a – after the C
Assuming Hue gets a C-
and Chuck gets an F
how did we have our best season since 2002?
January 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Hue is going to have a long, off season. 3-5 at home is a complete disgrace to the city of Oakland and Raider Nation!
January 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
playing less man-to-man is going to help Routt. Guy is a good tackler, physical chucker at the line, and better in space than mauling guys down the field.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
beach, I like that you were specific enough to put a – after the C
Assuming Hue gets a C-
and Chuck gets an F
how did we have our best season since 2002?
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Chuck B was off the fckng charts man! Dude was on a different orbit.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Poster ratings…
all the fire hue or hire an autonomous gm with full control people = A+
all the blind keep hue, the offense is up there with the patriots/packers people = C-
steve corkran predicting a blowout loss by the Chargers = D
alex = F
January 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
IguanaRaider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
CODE BLACK!
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Take your CODE BLACK sh*t and shove it up your ass.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Alex, 8-8 is just as bad as last season. We got one emotional win after Mr. Davis’ death. Other than that, there is nothing to boast about this season.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Albert Bigelow Villapiano Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:49 pm
IguanaRaider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:47 pm
CODE BLACK!
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Take your CODE BLACK sh*t and shove it up your ass.
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CODE BLACK 2012
January 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
gg, I think that makes you selectively racist
or just over-emotional and dumb where it concerns Hue.
Take your pick.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
This season is dedicated to the “maddem 12 gamers” and the “this is a passing league” posters who discounted the importance of building a good defense.
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The trench is where it ALL starts…
January 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
GG, I don’t think you’re a racist but at the same time when you call Hue a “bigmouth”, it makes me wonder. Hue’s not a bigmouth. Other than his pre-season talking up, which is something every 1st year coach does, he has not been a bigmouth or a braggart of any kind. The press asks him questions, he answers. So why would you think he’s a bigmouth? Just doesn’t make sense. And a lot of white people tend to be harsh on black people who speak their mind.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
CODE BLACK….
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Season is over, and Teblow gets a playoff game after 3 consecutive losses
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I had a baaaad feeling about the chargers. when they got drilled at Detroit it was obvious they were looking ahead to this game.
this made their season.
this destroyed ours.
payback is a biotch.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Stanford routt is an avg corner. The penalties hurt the team
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
beach
if you want to moan and whine about this season, go ahead.
I’ll take 8-8 with 3 QBs, a lost DMac, a worse D, a tougher schedule, and injured WRs.
I’m happy with the progress this franchise has made in the two Hue years.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
I already posted examples during the season of Hue being a bigmouth in the previous thread. Go find them.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Code Black: Will Be Back with the Silver and Black Attack
January 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
GG you compared Hue to Rex Ryan earlier. When has Hue ever called a game a “war”, used all kinds of military terminology, and printed a playbook with an opposing player’s bloody nose on the cover? Hue = Rex, huh?
January 1st, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Hue is good with the offense, but he gets a C- for not correcting the penalty problems and not firing Chuck B. earlier in the season.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
our pass defense is enbarrasing.
that’s the problem.
the rod woodson experiment is over.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:54 pm
GG, come on. “look them up” = “I have no examples to offer, I’m talking out of my ass”.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Btw, that further proves Alex = Sullivan as you’re the only “two” (ie, one) people making that non sequitor remark that I’m racist for criticizing Hue’s performance this year. I’m not the only one being anti-Hue, but im the only one being labeled it by you “two” (ie, one). And only a total moron like Sullivan would make such a conclusion of ‘racism’, so Alex doing it and Sullivan now doing it, further proof ALex = Sullivan.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:55 pm
GG, Alex lost no more credibility labeling you a racist than you lost comparing Hue Jackson to Rex Ryan when it comes to mouthiness. Senseless comparison.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Only the biggest blog zero this side of KrappyKell would be content with .500 because of “injuries”.
That’s what you get when you’re still breastfeeding at 43.
Now’s the time for Madden Retard to show up to tell Alex how smart he is
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alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:52 pm
beach
if you want to moan and whine about this season, go ahead.
I’ll take 8-8 with 3 QBs, a lost DMac, a worse D, a tougher schedule, and injured WRs.
I’m happy with the progress this franchise has made in the two Hue years.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I’m rooting now for New Orleans to win the Super Bowl, but I think the Green Bay Packers will be back-to-back winners.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Bottom line the defense could not be counted on as soon as Nmamdi left because Al wanted to patchwork the defense and let Bed and Breakfast types run the defense. Al went against his principles by not keeping two top line CBs and it bit us in the ass.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Thec,
Can’t keep seymour, routt, kelly and wimbley at their combined salary. Mclain might have to go on the road too.
Defense is 1-15 caliber and has to be treated as such.
You were one of the few here that sounded the alarm on the lack of D over the years
January 1st, 2012 at 8:58 pm
Beach
you can’t fire Chuck the same year Al dies. He hired the guy. Come on.
And you don’t fire a guy mid-season unless someone in your staff is ready to take over.
January 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Hue sounding very tyrant like…. I like dude, he made mistakes of course, but he sounding like he will shake a few things up…could be a good thing, probably loves sinatra” i did it myyyyy way” doing his nails..
Any idea when rolando gaff goes to court…needs a big off season speed routine, come back for the infamous late blooming raiders in there 3rd years
January 1st, 2012 at 8:59 pm
GG,
You compare Hue to Rex Ryan when it comes to mouthing off, when Hue has about 1/8 of Rex’s mouth. Rex Ryan used war vernacular (something most NFL coaches and players have considered disrespectful to our military since 9/11 and have stopped doing), printed a playbook with Eli’s bloody face on the front of it. When has Hue ever done anything close to that? There is absolutely no comparison between Rex and Hue. Labeling a black person as some kind of big mouth and likening them to the most braggart of white people just for being opinionated is a form of racism, GG.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:00 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:48 pm
beach, I like that you were specific enough to put a – after the C
Assuming Hue gets a C-
and Chuck gets an F
how did we have our best season since 2002?
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um, we were 8-8 last season too.
Remember? It got Tom Cable fired because he was happy to finally get this team to .500 and was excited about the future.
Hue talks a lot of sh!t but gets the same results. Only difference is he is pissed at being 8-8 instead of excited.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
The thing that is tough is that in the end we gave up a 1st and at least a 2nd to get Palmer over Campbell for the 2012 season. He’s a big upgrade, but that’s too much.
With Matt Flynn putting up 480 yards and 6 TD’s today going into FA, the trade HAS to be considered a failure.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Alex, All I can say is you better pray for a healthy DMAC next season. There was absolutely no overall progress this season compared to last. NONE!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
wasbanned
you think last year was better than this one?
I’d say, based on playing a meaningful game week 17, and being 7-4 at one point,
that this was our BEST season since 2002.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
In other words, GG, Rex Ryan has to use war terms and print a playbook with someone’s bloodied face on the front of it to be considered a “big mouth”. All Hue Jackson has to do is have an opinion. Just like that, in your eyes, he and Rex are one. That is suspicious.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
72. 7-4 until the starting MLB went astray, and finished with 4 of 5 losses. If we keep that fool, he may be suspended the first 4 games.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Stfu already Sullivan. You can’t go toe to toe with me. Every time you try you get pantsed. In fact, you get pantsed so often by so many others on here, and they all know your sock-puppet ways, can spot you a mile away. Your whole Ibabuzz existence is getting shown up as a moron.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm
when you go 1-4 in your final 5 games, you don’t deserve squat.
trade DMAC.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm
raideryyz
what on earth does the Packers incredible offensive SYSTEM have to do with a Raiders trade?
You want to see what happens when you pull QBs from top systems?
Look at Kolb in Arizona. Packers system is like having a 20% boost in Madden.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I’m going to go play Angry Birds to make my mind off of this sh*t hole.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
So happy 69 allen didnt break sack record.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:04 pm
lol GG resorting to cussing.
way to be mature and composed.
Tell us about our Defense being league-average again.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm I have said since Denver loss that Hue Jackson had major flaws as a HC.
My biggest thing is he is an Al Davis hire. I want a clean break from Al Davis philosophy.
I want a new GM to bring a new culture to organization. Yeah! Me too. Please make us more like Dallas, New England, Green Bay and everybody else in the NFL. I don’t want to be different. Please assimilate us. We must be assimilated.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
And siding with a black player does nothing to absolve you of racism. If you’re being unfair in criticizing the personality of a black person IN MANAGEMENT, you could shill for a hundred black “field hands” and it doesn’t make up for it.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
repeat x2….
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:33 pm
*Shane Lechler’s 58-yard punt was the only punt of the game.
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Exactly. In this new-age offense-friendly pass-happy NFL, more D’s are mediocre and very few outstanding Ds. As someone posted in the other thread. We had 2 TDs and 4 FGs (6 scoring drives). The Chargers had 5 TDs and 1 FG (6 scoring drives).
The offenses were the difference as much as the defenses.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
The defense never appeared to be playing a meaningful game this entire season. San Diego looked like a team that wanted to make the playoffs, not the clueless Raiders.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:06 pm
GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Stfu already Sullivan. You can’t go toe to toe with me.
……….
LOL.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I questioned if this team was super bowl capable with the worst run defense in the NFL. But Hue thought the team was ready now and mortgaged the future with “the greatest trade ever” so we could go 8-8.
A real GM would not have let that go down for what was traded for
And save me the 4th and 5th round bs. That’s for role players. Occassionally you get lucky, but mostly just role players that flash from time to time.
And hue is the head coach. Someone explain the multiple letdowns and the stupid penalties. Prepare the team!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
yep,
defenses all over the NFL give up 98 AND 99 yard drives with playoffs on the line.
Happens all the time.
99 yard drives. 27 points per game. Happens all the time. Thanks for explaining.
Wait, 9 teams don’t even give up 20??? what the?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:07 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
The thing that is tough is that in the end we gave up a 1st and at least a 2nd to get Palmer over Campbell for the 2012 season. He’s a big upgrade, but that’s too much.
With Matt Flynn putting up 480 yards and 6 TD’s today going into FA, the trade HAS to be considered a failure.
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I guess you’d rather have the season end in November versus January, because that’s where we were headed with Boller. Regardless hindsight is 20/20, the defense cost us the season. Buffalo, Detroit and today they cost us, not Palmer.
By the way Victor Cruz is a beast!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:01 pm
wasbanned
you think last year was better than this one?
I’d say, based on playing a meaningful game week 17, and being 7-4 at one point,
that this was our BEST season since 2002.
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Last year was same as this year. 8-8.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
SnB
if we had given up Rolando McClain and Lamarr Houston, would that be considered “mortgaging the future”?
Because we gave up less than that.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Yea cruz is crazy good out there..
January 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Chokeland
January 1st, 2012 at 9:09 pm
I picture this scenario.
McKenzie from the packers comes in and trades DMAC to the packers for draft picks.
DMACs injjuries makes us one dimensional… and its every season. I’m tired of that s#it.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Just like the first season back in Oakland, Al Davis’ final season in Oakland ends with an abysmal 8-8 finish. How ironic!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Alex,
Show me one team that makes a living trading top draft picks for aging players that don’t make a difference
January 1st, 2012 at 9:11 pm
if i’m not mistaken, routt lead the league in coverage penalties. Seymour had to be close to double figures in combined( offsides,and personal foul)penalties. Wembley was probably 2 for 20 on attempts to cover backs and tight ends. Also, i think we’ve seen all we need to see of mm.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm
I’d trade EVERY Raider 1st round pick the last 8 years for a solid NFL player.
Half of 1st round picks are busts within 4 years.
Half.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm
purvisman Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm I have said since Denver loss that Hue Jackson had major flaws as a HC.
My biggest thing is he is an Al Davis hire. I want a clean break from Al Davis philosophy.
I want a new GM to bring a new culture to organization. Yeah! Me too. Please make us more like Dallas, New England, Green Bay and everybody else in the NFL. I don’t want to be different. Please assimilate us. We must be assimilated.
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lol. Yeah, I could handle being like New England or Green Bay right now.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:12 pm
When the trade for Palmer was made, we had a healthy DMAC. We did not give up too much for Carson Palmer. We gave up too much for Richard Seymour, who better restructure his contract.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
You cant make a difference when your defense gives up 99 yard drives on a regular basis.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
SnB
if you can’t even acknowledge that Palmer made a difference for us this year over Boller, and is the best QB available to us for the next 3 years,
then I can’t even debate with you.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Hue shot his big mouth about winning now and a super bowl. 8-8. And a bad 8-8 from a team that wasn’t ready to play for the past 5 weeks.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Al Davis gave Jabustus $39Mil. Hue did not overpay for Carson Palmer!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
As far as the draft goes… I wonder if the new GM places a transition tag on Michael Bush with a 2nd round tender on him. The Raiders should get a end of the 3rd round compensatory pick for Nnamdi.I googled the Jason Campbell trade – according to ESPN’s John Clayton, the 4th pick was conditional on Jason Campbell if he either A) made the Pro Bowl or B) made the playoffs. Neither has happened, so if this is true, we will keep that selection. If the fire sale goes forth, there might be a trade or two for picks that the new GM obtains. The 2012 draft is far from a wash for the Raiders. Doubtful if we have a 1st rounder to be sure, but I don’t think the sky is falling.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:14 pm
SnB
if you can’t even acknowledge that Palmer made a difference for us this year over Boller, and is the best QB available to us for the next 3 years,
then I can’t even debate with you..
January 1st, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Long Live CODE BLACK!
Viva la Code Black.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Everyone acts like those draft picks are a known quantity. They are not. The draft is a crapshoot, lots of 1st rounders never pan out (and it’s not just the Raiders). Hue rolled the dice and it almost worked if not for our D’s inability to keep teams from marching up and down the field.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
There is a positive in that the offseason begins in January and not October or November like the past 8 seasons.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Alex,
You can’t get players like aaron rogers, mario williams, calvin johnson through free agency or wacky trades.
At best you rent an aging veteran who gives you a couple of yrs of “ok” play.
This team is in trouble
January 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Hue shot his big mouth about winning now and a super bowl. 8-8. And a bad 8-8 from a defense that wasn’t ready to play for the past 5 weeks.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
GG, I don’t think you’re a racist. And a lot of white people tend to be harsh on black people who speak their mind. Sonds pretty racist to me, Sullen1.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Rivers comparison of both SD/OAK games. I was surprised to see only 19 completions in his stats. Seemed like a lot more.
1/1/12
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
P. Rivers 19/26 310 3 1
11/10/11
Passing CP/AT YDS TD INT
P. Rivers 23/47 274 2 1
January 1st, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Sonds? I’m missing U.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
SnB
how many Aaron Rodgers or Mario Williams have we drafted lately? McFadden is the only legit 1st rounder we’ve drafted in about 14 years.
You’re much more likely to draft a bust or an average player.
We needed a real QB for this season and going forward, and we have one. Case closed.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
112 they ran all over us too.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Alex7…
First, Kevin Kolb WAS BAD IN PHILLY before he was signed by Zona so bad comparison. Terrible comparison. I was just using an example of now that the season is lost we could have had our picks and options at QB for 2012.
How can the trade NOT be considered a failure? We used a 3rd round pick on Pryor, then give up a first and a 2nd to win THIS SEASON, and missed the play-offs.
You’re saying having Palmer for 2012 is worth the picks? The only reason Hue overpaid was for NOW!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
C2E
maybe because the Chargers ran for 130+ in just the 4th quarter alone this game
No need to throw it 4th quarter.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
My only fault with Hue is he let go of the Hagans, Sterling Moores and Davis III or II. Other then that our offense needed McFadden bad. Teams figured out Bush like they figured out Tebow. Doesnt help he was the only RB we had. Was Taiwan scared or what?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
For all of you on here that live in the Bay Area, you should all grab a sharpie, stapler, and cardboard box. Take Sharpie and write: Chuck Bresnahan 99 on all 4 sides of the box. Staple your Detroit and San Diego ticket stubs to the box. Then go to Headquarters tomorrow morning and throw the boxes over the gates.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
At least now we know the second pick in the Palmer trade will be a 2nd
Who says Carson did not make a difference? R u kidding me? What would our record have been with Boller: 4-12, 5-11
Hue gave us a chance and again, you never know what those picks will be.
Carson and his band of speedsters are the bes part of this team, period.
Fix the D, leave the offense alone, out side of what to do with DMAC and Bush….
January 1st, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The NY Giants finished. The Raiders didn’t. What a frking shame. Great talent, lousy couching. 7-4 to start only to finish 1-4? Unfrking acceptable.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
“alex7 Says:
“if you can’t even acknowledge that Palmer made a difference for us this year over Boller, and is the best QB available to us for the next 3 years”
That’s gotta be the dumbest comment of the night. Peyton freakin Manning could be available. I like Carson, but saying he’s the best option over the next 3 years is moronic!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
Hue is a disgrace.
Hire a GM.
Fire the clown.
Just Win Baby.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
We learned that Michael Bush is not a top RB. He really failed us in the final 5 games. I thought he was better than this.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
YYZ
yes, having Palmer as our QB this year and for the next 3 years is worth a middle-round 1st and 2nd round picks.
You act like draft picks are sure-shots.
This was the best QB play we’ve had here since Gannon. You sound like Palmer was a one-year rental.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Bye Bresenehan. Get out of Town, McClain. We hate you too.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
you don’t think any GM would trade Rolando McClain and Lamar Houston for a QB on a team with a legit chance at making the playoffs, with Kyle Boller as their QB?
Especially when that QB still has a few good years left? Absurd.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Well, the way the raiders go about picking players in the draft should change.
BTW, wiz was the type of high end talent that provides immediate help that the rAiders will not have access too.
Have to hope another diamond in the rough like moore emerges
January 1st, 2012 at 9:27 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:22 pm
C2E
maybe because the Chargers ran for 130+ in just the 4th quarter alone this game
No need to throw it 4th quarter
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Granted…just seemed Rivers was much more effective and unstoppable this time around. Can’t get how our D play was uninspiring compared to the last match-up. No sacks.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:28 pm
119, I promise you that I will call Raider HQ by Tuesday afternoon and threaten not to buy tickets next season if Chuck B is still on the payroll.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Chiefs gave up a HIGH 2nd rounder for Cassel.
Cardinals gave up a 1st round pick (Cromartie) for Kolb.
Bears gave up two 1st rounders for Cutler.
1st rounders got the Jets Mark Sanchez
and the Broncos Tebow.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
“alex7 Says:
“if you can’t even acknowledge that Palmer made a difference for us this year over Boller, and is the best QB available to us for the next 3 years”
That’s gotta be the dumbest comment of the night. Peyton freakin Manning could be available. I like Carson, but saying he’s the best option over the next 3 years is moronic!
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Funniest thing I’ve heard all night. You think Peyton would EVER consider playing for the Raiders? He would never wear the silver and black.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
there’s a reason belicek traded seymour- we need to dump that -attitude-as he goes so goes D
January 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
yeah C2E
weird how often we put Rivers on the turf our first meeting, and he wasn’t even touched all game today.
D-line got handled, blitzes were awful, no edge rush.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Trade DMAC for a 1st rounder and 4th rounder. Would a first be possible?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Well Raiders fans, Rob Ryan should be available soon. Every other coach gets 2 shots in Oakland…
January 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Palmer is the best QB we have had in a long time. It’s not the QB position the organization needs to worry about.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
HueSux should look in the mirror and fire himself.
HueSux threatens to have more control of the organization?
This is total maniac madness, an incompetent fool with a over blown head, can only spell disaster.
HueSux true to the end, speaks about accountability on one side of his mouth and on the other throws everyone else under the bus.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
We were a 98 yard drive (detroit)
and a 99 1/2 yard drive (sd)
from being 10-6 FCK!!!!!!!
Take the bufoonallo game and show up to miami
were 12-4. Easily!
then, coulda/shoulda new england
we’re 13-3
I’ll admit to the GB game, but we coulda/shoulda beat the ass off denver, cept we got t-boned, but less I digress,
now were 14-2.
Thats how close this season really was. So in that sense, a great success considering all the injuries and new faces and power struggles and all the behind the scenes in-house fighting. I’m sure hererra erupting all over the place didn’t help matters.
And like Hue said, players need to make plays. that simple.
Hue can hang his hat on a coulda/shoulda season, which might have been and what was almost there, so close yet so far. So very close.
we had a qb go down early. not a good thing. super star dmac a no show, and the great D-Mo missed a few, and Ford. Word! So for a team looking for a identity, leader and direction, coulda/shoulda 14-2, not bad.
Sleep on 14-2 Hue, and remind Chucky B how close we were to 14-2. Not bad for a rookie HC and a second time around the block chump.
This is a new age league and Oakland Raider football is primed and greased to make the jump to light-speed.
All in all, oustanding season for corn-holing ourselves.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
mikeschoice Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:30 pm
there’s a reason belicek traded seymour- we need to dump that -attitude-as he goes so goes D
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I think Belicheck would like to have that trade back.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Rob Ryan failing in Dallas was so predictable. Another in a very, very long line of Al Davis DC stooges.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
Raiders will be 8-8 or better for the forseeable future, thus, Raiders have no chance at guys like Luck, RGIII, Barkley, etc.
Palmer is the best QB available for us this year and the forseeable future.
No way we were throwing away an opportunity at the playoffs this year and letting Boller/Pryor battle it out next year.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
wasbanned, with Als’ passing we will be like everybody else in less than 5 years, and that saddens me. I’ve been proud to be a raider and Al Davis fan since ‘79. Mediots and others have been making fun of Al and his drafts forever and I enjoyed feeling I was a part of that. I’ll always be a raider fan but win or lose, it wont be those raiders or even these raiders,alas.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Alex, I am with you. Give us a mediocre defense and we will win the AFC West next season.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Hue trades brought us our best LB (Curry) for a 7th rounder,
and our best QB play since Gannon.
He also turned around the careers of DMac and DHB.
No wonder Mark is comfortable letting Hue have a wider scope. You know Al blessed this before leaving.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:36 pm
143, Bad attitude to have. You need to move forward in the technology age to compete, period!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
seymour was pegged for takin plays . games off b4 he was unloaded
January 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
yeah beach, Broncos D was 8th-WORSE in the NFL this year, and their secondary is old.
Chargers have lost too much talent the last few years, especially on D. They’re also letting go of a tremendous O-coordinator in Norv.
Chiefs and Raiders will be battling it out in the next few seasons.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
A7, agree, Palmer was the right call. We will see playoffs next year.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Hue doesn’t need a wider anything. He can barely be the head coach.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
hue’s going to get rid of al projects with bad attitudes
January 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
GrindAndPound Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:32 pm
All in all, oustanding season for corn-holing ourselves.
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True
January 1st, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Palmer is mediocre and a back stabber like Hue. That’s why they are f.ck buddies.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
This has been a trend.First year players for the Raiders that have a fairly productive year do not progress to become a better player the second year. What is behind this?? Stagnation of growth even if they are productive the first year are on the coaches. Not developing and demanding better of a player the second year is something that needs to be looked at closely.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
all talent -no heart = 4th qtr. collaspes
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Can we go to a 1-RB, 3-WR offense next year?
Palmer-DMC-Moore-DHB-Ford would be a lot of fun to watch and if the D can’t stop anyone trying to “be a bully” doesn’t do much.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
I think a jeff fisher type takes this team a lot further than hue jackson and his bs.
Hue is only the coach because too many coaches weren’t willing to work with al davis.
Hue would not be a top tier candidate anywhere. Even now.
So let’s go out and get the best candidate available.
Tired of the crappy playcalls, the penalties and the blowouts
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
LB
you understand Raider head coaches under Davis did NOTHING except call plays on offense, right?
Hue CAN’T do worse than Davis in bringing in a legit D and letting go of scholarship players to upgrade the effort here.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
How does a QB go 4-5 and people think that he is the second coming?? Orton won two games after not playing for 9 weeks. He’s going to keep making questionable throwing decisions like last year.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
2romes
I thought JC progressed nicely his second year. But agreed, our coaching has been suspect, as Mr. Davis gave out jobs to old Raiders instead of the best coach available.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:41 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Can we go to a 1-RB, 3-WR offense next year?
Palmer-DMC-Moore-DHB-Ford would be a lot of fun to watch and if the D can’t stop anyone trying to “be a bully” doesn’t do much.
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Did we do that this year? Boss was never used so I assumed that was the case this year. We used that all the time with Gannon at QB.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
come to think of it, JC was coached by Hue, probably the only coach here with a good track record.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Tight end Kevin Boss suffered a concussion at the end of his 22-yard touchdown reception in the fourth quarter.
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4th concussion in his last 18 games.
He is done.
Terrible contract, hope most of it is not guaranteed.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
A new DC would mean everything, just look at Wade Phillips did with Houston and they had injuries to their QB and best playmaker in Johnson.
Bresnahan screws us this year, big time.
Carson is legit! HueJax needs a GM and an offseason with CP3, plus we get Dmac back.
All the question’s point to the “d”, remember that was Al’s defense people, no Hue’s.
Gruden took 3 years, it will only take HueJax 2!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
purvisman Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:33 pm
wasbanned, with Als’ passing we will be like everybody else in less than 5 years, and that saddens me. I’ve been proud to be a raider and Al Davis fan since ‘79. Mediots and others have been making fun of Al and his drafts forever and I enjoyed feeling I was a part of that. I’ll always be a raider fan but win or lose, it wont be those raiders or even these raiders,alas.
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I understand. I’ve been a Raiders fan for right at 30 years. I have defended this team and Al Davis for a most of that time.
If Al was still alive I would still be defending him, but he’s not.
Keeping this team behind the rest of the league will not bring Al back.
The Fans (me and you) deserve to have a modern organization that is dedicated to winning.
Steelers haven’t lost touch with their tradition but yet they are at the top of the NFL most of the time.
Maybe we can be like that soon. Not forget the past, but build a future.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
I’m ok with a new D coordinator and a new GM. Hue doesn’t need that much responsibility. He’s a damn rookie head coach that had issues managing the game. He isn’t Tuna.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Fire Shmucky B!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
124.beach Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:25 pm
We learned that Michael Bush is not a top RB. He really failed us in the final 5 games. I thought he was better than this.
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I been telling yall this for two plus years on here about Bush. I got jumped on here by a couple L’ville homers everytime i made a comment about Bush. I called him hot garbage. Oh well.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
LB
are you aware that Orton had a full season and pre-season of practice? Might make a difference, no?
Are you aware Palmer lit up the Chargers twice, the Bears, the Vikings, the Lions, and beat the tough Chiefs? And we had no running game the last 6 weeks?
You didn’t miss all that, did you?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:44 pm
I think Belicheck would like to have that trade back.
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LMAO!!
They got a future Pro Bowl tackle out of the trade.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Carson is a fantasy football player dream. Lots of stats, low W total. He did the same thing last year.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Once again….the POS Chuck B led defense rears it’s ugly head and shows us they are not ready for the big time.
The big mistake by old man Al this year was letting Marshall walk and hiring some clown names Chuck Bresnahan as defensive coordinator!
Big changes should be in store for this defense when it comes to coaches and even some players.
Only coaches that should stick around are DLine coach Mike Waufle and maybe CB coach Rod Woodson.
Chuck B and the rest should be fired.
We need a solid GM/Personnel Man who will prioritize in turning the defense around and reducing penalties.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
303, great post up there.
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303Raider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:43 pm
A new DC would mean everything, just look at Wade Phillips did with Houston and they had injuries to their QB and best playmaker in Johnson.
Bresnahan screws us this year, big time.
Carson is legit! HueJax needs a GM and an offseason with CP3, plus we get Dmac back.
All the question’s point to the “d”, remember that was Al’s defense people, no Hue’s.
Gruden took 3 years, it will only take HueJax 2!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
72. 7-4 until the starting MLB went astray, and finished with 4 of 5 losses. If we keep that fool, he may be suspended the first 4 games.
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McClain will not be suspended more than one game, if at all.
We are talking misdeamenors here, and first time running into the personal conduct policy.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Nate Solder can’t carry Jared Veldheers jock.
Solder is soft!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
How does a QB go 4-5 and people think that he is the second coming?? Orton won two games after not playing for 9 weeks. He’s going to keep making questionable throwing decisions like last year.
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Orton didn’t play for 9 weeks but he still had access to film, weights, and reps in practice with NFL quality players.
Palmer was on the couch for 9 weeks. Working out at home and throwing passes to his brother-in-law in the park. BIG DIFFERENCE!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raiders coach Hue Jackson promised to build a bully, solve the penalties issue and get his defense to stop the run. In the end, none of those things happened, and he fared no better than his predecessor, Tom Cable,
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Therefore, he should be dimissed. Post haste.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
4th concussion in his last 18 games.
He is done.
Terrible contract, hope most of it is not guaranteed.
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The good point is that Meyers bounced back and is likely the starter next year
the Raiders could due with a sleeper at TE like Jimmy Graham, should one be avail. in 2012 draft in late rounds, Ausberry, Gordon are decent as well.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
3-5 at home says everything. This team did not deserve to be in the NFL playoffs. I love how some of you blame CP for the 4-5 record. He played with the worst Raider defense in the Al Davis era! Wake up and point the blame at the effin’ worthless DEFENSE!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Raiders coach Hue Jackson promised to build a bully, solve the penalties issue and get his defense to stop the run. In the end, none of those things happened, and he fared no better than his predecessor, Tom Cable,
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Let me do that again. Therefore, he should be dismissed. Post haste.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
At least michael bush plays. Dmac averages 9 carries a game since he got here. If the raiders had any picks, I would use on to get an everydown back.
But since hue’s failed run at the super bowl, the raiders have precious few picks and can’t build depth when there is such a lack of starting talent.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Thec,
Can’t keep seymour, routt, kelly and wimbley at their combined salary. Mclain might have to go on the road too.
Defense is 1-15 caliber and has to be treated as such.
You were one of the few here that sounded the alarm on the lack of D over the years
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We could’ve kept Wimblay for much less. He signed his contract but it was “invalid” because of the structure and then we franchised him and then overpaid him.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Only coaches that should stick around are DLine coach Mike Waufle and maybe CB coach Rod Woodson.
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D-line and CB’s looked pretty awful to me today, and DB’s especially got worse as the season went along.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
How does a QB go 4-5 and people think that he is the second coming?? Orton won two games after not playing for 9 weeks. He’s going to keep making questionable throwing decisions like last year.
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Orton didn’t play for 9 weeks but he still had access to film, weights, and reps in practice with NFL quality players.
Palmer was on the couch for 9 weeks. Working out at home and throwing passes to his brother-in-law in the park. BIG DIFFERENCE!
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Not much of a choice now. Will be interesting to see if Pryor makes a quantum leap in pre-season and is a legitimate QB prospect.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
so LB
would you say that Tebow is a better QB than Palmer because he wins more?
Or you could be rational and say that Palmer + decent D = dominance. Kinda how he’s made the playoffs twice?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Orton was on the scout team. He played 4 games and got benched. Do you know that Palmer has a camp last year and every year except one? You know that he has a losing record, right?
Stats mean nothing, how many Ws? 4
January 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Raiders coach Hue Jackson promised to build a bully, solve the penalties issue and get his defense to stop the run. In the end, none of those things happened, and he fared no better than his predecessor, Tom Cable,
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Therefore, he should be dimissed. Post haste.
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There is no way Cable and Hue are the same, without Hue Cable would not have 3 more wins than his previous season. Cable was a bystandered in the last year…
January 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Our defense flat out stunk up the joint. Equivelant to the Walsh offense when Art Shell came back. Just horrible.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Hue THE TIME IS NOW to fire your self as our offensive play caller (at the very least). Yes we needed TD’s instead of field goals but you can’t get them with no throws in the end zone when you’re in the red zone (we didn’t target paydirt until the Boss throw in the 4th q) . I mean come on – throwing to recievers well short of the first down mark time and time again in such a critical game is mind blowing! And the clock management before half was ridiculous. Spike the ball on first down instead of burning your last time out!!!!
Did anyone see what Sterling Moore did today with the Pats against Ryan Fitzpatrick? I know it’s only one game but he looked more seasoned than anyone on our roster. Did we not see glimpses of his skills in the preseason and could we not have used him in our sorry secondary this year (I guess his 40 time was not up to Raider standards)?
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post?id=4713839
Please lose the draft workout wunderkinds and get some instinctive playmakers on defense for next year!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:46 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:40 pm
How does a QB go 4-5 and people think that he is the second coming?? Orton won two games after not playing for 9 weeks. He’s going to keep making questionable throwing decisions like last year.
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Orton didn’t play for 9 weeks but he still had access to film, weights, and reps in practice with NFL quality players.
Palmer was on the couch for 9 weeks. Working out at home and throwing passes to his brother-in-law in the park. BIG DIFFERENCE!
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Plus, if our D was as good as KC’s Palmer might have gone undefeated as our starter. Orton won by leading the Chiefs to 7 points today. Let’s be serious.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Can’t believe morons are still talking about Palmer in here. Palmer is legit and the best QB this team has had since Gannon.
Chuck B and the Defense is NOT legit. They are an embarassment!
Can’t make adjustments when they are needed, can’t cover Gates when he should be priority and can’t roll some coverage Litos way to help him out against Floyd and refuse to blitz Rivers and get pressure on him!
Utterly stupid and unacceptable!
The problems on D have gone on since the preseason!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
alex7 Says: Sorry bro. I should have said Rookies. my bad. Hey, The Raiders have most of the pieces together but one section of the piece seem to fail the next when it counts. The front four on defense did not have a good game but it wasn’t terrilble. The Chargers did not go crazy running the ball. The Raiders needs people on the back end to make a different when every body else has been busting there asses all season. It starts with the D-coord.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Tebow is playing better than Palmer, he has more Ws, TDs, less INTs, and most importantly, he’s going to the playoffs! He’s able to rally his team to play better too. They believe in him. That can make all the difference and did.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
“We should all be pissed,” Huff said. “To be this close and to blow it, it’s nothing the coaches did. The players didn’t play (well). I know some people are going to try to blame Chuck, some people are going to try to blame Hue but, at the end of the day, we’re the ones on the field.
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Oh don’t worry. After Hue and Bresnahan are gone, a very thorough house cleaning is in order. A lot of you should be gone, and will never be back in the league again.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
lol, LB would take Tebow over Philip Rivers because wins mean EVERYTHING to a QB in a team sport.
dumb, dumb, dumb.
LB’s favorite QB in 2000 was Trent Dilfer.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
The panic for Wimbley to franchise him was ridiculous and I said so immediately when it happened.
He is either great or awful. No in-between with him, for whatever reason.
Him and Curry on the outside are an OC’s dream.
You know the Dolts were waiting on using that pitch play on Curry until they really needed it, and he did what he is prone to do.
Be a mental-midget on the football field.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Blaming Hue Jacksons offensive play calling in this game is lame.
The DEFENSE is this teams problem…period!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:51 pm
The only reason I’m a bit worried about Palmer is that his teams somehow lose. Look what happened to the Bangels when they got rid of him. Suddenly they’re winning with a rookie. (Yes, they also got rid of 85 and Owens).
But, if you look at it purely from a standpoint of the ability & arm strength he’s the best QB we’ve had for a long time. If you look at leadership, drive and pulling off wins we haven’t seen that yet. But, I think that if we had a half-way descent “D” we wouldn’t be questioning this right now.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Just look at the Donks, if our D was just a little better, we are 10-6 easy……
We sold out 8 games because HueJax gave us hope. All of you had a woody after we were 7-4, remember?
Carson and Hue did enough to win vs Detroit and again today.
This division is up for grabs the next few years and lets see Carson play with a decent D, and a good, consistent running game!
I bet our owner doesn’t die again next year, QB remains healthy, and The Defense isn’t any worse and we win our Divsion by week 14!!
Raider Nation should be excited about the future!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Time to can Bresnahan, get rid of Al’s outmoded defense, and bring in an autonomous coordinator to install a modern NFL defense, preferably a 3-4.
Candidates:
Rex Ryan
Mike Nolan
Jack Del Rio
Winston Moss
Romeo Crennel
Eric Mangini
Also, hire Reggie McKenzie as GM and Mike Mayock as Player Personnel Director.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
He was sitting on his coach cause he quit on the Bengals that made the playoffs without him.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:53 pm
LB stop, just stop man
wins over stats for a QB that has no say on Defense, lol. Because moving a team up and down the field is a BAD THING!!! BAD, BAD STATS!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Hell Dilfer has playoff Ws and a SB ring. Palmer doesn’t.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
DHB’s game today was kind of like some of Kobe’s games.
35 points on 11 of 31 shooting type thing.
At least he is making plays, but he is still leaving plays on the field.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
There is no way Cable and Hue are the same, without Hue Cable would not have 3 more wins than his previous season. Cable was a bystandered in the last year…
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Huh? Cable was a MUCH better coach than Jackson. Cables teams won 3 of their last five and should have beaten Peyton Manning’s playoff bound Indy team to go 4-1 down the stretch. They played hard til the end. Jackson went 1-4 down the stretch only winning in KC because of a coin flip. And his teams repeatedly got blown out. With arguably better talent.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
If Hue gets fired, then we better replace him with a PROVEN head coach like Fisher, Gruden or Cowher.
Otherwise, it would be STUPID to fire Hue in his first year as a head coach with a POS D Coordinator and vanilla defense players and replace him with another rookie Head Coach?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
LB
The Bengals made the playoffs after getting rid of all-pro corner Jonathan Joseph. Right?
January 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
193, Tebow stinks and you know it!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
For all the excitement and sometimes big plays guys like Curry and MM34 make, we just can’t tolerate their penalties and brain-farts on the field if we want to be a good defense.
Those two would never see the field for the Steelers or Ravens are one of those type teams.
They just completely f up 2-3 times a game, and give up huge chunks of yards.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Silver Surfer Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Hue THE TIME IS NOW to fire your self as our offensive play caller (at the very least). Yes we needed TD’s instead of field goals but you can’t get them with no throws in the end zone when you’re in the red zone (we didn’t target paydirt until the Boss throw in the 4th q) . I mean come on – throwing to recievers well short of the first down mark time and time again in such a critical game is mind blowing! And the clock management before half was ridiculous. Spike the ball on first down instead of burning your last time out!!!!
Did anyone see what Sterling Moore did today with the Pats against Ryan Fitzpatrick? I know it’s only one game but he looked more seasoned than anyone on our roster. Did we not see glimpses of his skills in the preseason and could we not have used him in our sorry secondary this year (I guess his 40 time was not up to Raider standards)?
http://espn.go.com/blog/boston/new-england-patriots/post?id=4713839
Please lose the draft workout wunderkinds and get some instinctive playmakers on defense for next year
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As I said earlier this was what I fault Hue with letting go of. along with Hagan and Brude Davis III. But I dont fire him or take playcalling duties. You fire the DC and hire a Legit GM.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cable 9-19 without Hue.
Cable 8-8 with Hue.
Case closed.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Teblow is playing better than Palmer, WTF?
Did you watch Sheblow play the last 3 weeks? Dude is playing scared!!!
At least the Donks D played inspired. All we needed al year long was our D to play average and all of you Hue haters would be getting your nails done at the same salon he used!!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
obviously no way Peyton comes to the Raiders. I’m just saying going after Palmer was a knee-jerk reaction to make the play-offs THIS SEASON. We could probably have gotten Carson THIS off-season for less.
I like Carson, but it was over-paying. The trade in terms of what was given up IS A FAILURE.
I’m happy to have Carson going forward, but the trade was a failure.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
There is no way Cable and Hue are the same, without Hue Cable would not have 3 more wins than his previous season. Cable was a bystandered in the last year…
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Huh? Cable was a MUCH better coach than Jackson. Cables teams won 3 of their last five and should have beaten Peyton Manning’s playoff bound Indy team to go 4-1 down the stretch. They played hard til the end. Jackson went 1-4 down the stretch only winning in KC because of a coin flip. And his teams repeatedly got blown out. With arguably better talent.
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Uhh…your forgetting Cable had a better DEFENSE playing for him last year with Hue Jackson turning the offense around.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
303,
apparently TB is a 5 year old or doesn’t understand the QB position and how wins / losses are a team stat.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:57 pm
@alex77 can’t speak for gg, but I am not racist and I think Hue blows. Chuck is worse, but Hue is not head coach quality. The fact that he is black has nothing to do with it. There are plenty of white men who can’t head coach either (see Norv Turner).
January 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
It’s like Hue gets all the credit for the good things last year when he wasn’t even the HC, but gets absolved of all the bad things that happened WHILE HE IS HC.
Too funny.
Hire a qualified GM from the outside, and see what he says.
If he fires him or keeps him, I am cool with it.
Hue is absolutely nothing special, and counterproductive with his media nonsense and bravado.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Time to can Bresnahan, get rid of Al’s outmoded defense, and bring in an autonomous coordinator to install a modern NFL defense, preferably a 3-4.
Candidates:
Rex Ryan
Mike Nolan
Jack Del Rio
Winston Moss
Romeo Crennel
Eric Mangini
Also, hire Reggie McKenzie as GM and Mike Mayock as Player Personnel Director.
^^^^^^^^
Co sign this!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Chucky Bs’ mistake was his D rarely targeted the oppositions #1 reciever, or he had them mismatched. And what is up with blitzing Gio from 10 yards out. Ineffective call.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
YYZ
you have already been proven wrong. We gave up a mid-1st rounder and a mid-2nd rounder. Big whoop.
Gave up McClain and Lamarr Houston. Big whoop.
Gave up Jarvis Moss (17th pick). Big deal.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
DMAC is apart time player. I don’t want here about whatifs with this guy
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Good grief, people. The Palmer trade will be fine.
Palmer is not the reason we lost today. We scored 26 points. When you score 26 points in the NFL, your offense is not the problem.
The “defense” is the problem. Get a legitimate Defensive Coordinator in here, have him install a modern NFL defense, and we go 11-5 next year AT LEAST.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Rex won’t get fired. Guaranteed. No way.
Mangini may land Penn State’s HC job. Not a bad idea if he’d be interested though.
I think Nolan is my top choice though.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cable 9-19 without Hue.
Cable 8-8 with Hue.
Case closed.
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So with that formula, if Hue gets a playcaller we’ll be 12-4? Sweet!
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Sorry but that team was not prepared to play again today. Neither were they prepared to play GB, Miami, Denver or KC at the Coliseum.
January 1st, 2012 at 9:59 pm
DMac is the type of part-time player that might end up invited to the Pro Bowl this season.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I think the team needs to stop being a jobcorps program for retired Raiders.
I love these guys but they aren’t cutting it as coaches. DBs getting burnt continuously and LBs missing tackles continuously are symptoms of poor coaching.
If Routt isn’t getting burned like toast, he’s holding or committing a PI. I realize CJ missed a lot of time, but he was never very good anyway. The only LB who can reliably make a solid tackle is Curry. He hasn’t been here long enough to become polluted.
Let’s get rid of the “Raider Family” coaches and get some legit, professional coaches in here.
Give the retirees make work front office jobs. Community relations or something.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
This ‘d’ the Raiders supposeduly play is absolutely wretchedly horrible. It is not bad, it is downright putrid – uneffinwatchable. Worst in the league bar none. This vomit job of a game today to lose the AFC West Title was not even the worst played by the raiders ‘d’ (word used loosely) this year. That 35 point, TD scored EVERY Drive against Baffalo was the biggest joke this year or really any year. You cannot do worse in a half than give up TD drives EVERY Time the opponent has the ball. Chuck B d-coord. should have been canned immieately told to get his own Southwest flights back from Baffalo and his clipboard shoved up his nether region post-exit firing. Half the raider players on D can be outright cut and replaced with scrap-pile retreads in 2012 and you couldn’t be worse off.
I’m sick of this stenchpile underachieving pile of a team. I’m sick and tired of calling myself a Raider fan and seeing year after year of mistakes, and penalty laden performances. DMac is a weak kitty (insert other word here). Get a REAL GM and given him personnel power (Gruden would be a good start), get a REAL proven D coordinator and get 10-15 new defensive players and a starting RB who doesn’t hurt or strain his female private part midway through the season and actually plays likes he cares about winning and go from there. Hue – you are offically on the hot seat. Firing Chucky B tomorrow would be a good start.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
199, The defense MUST improve and there is no reason to be happy about the future after what happened today.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:00 pm
No, I’m not saying that. Obviously, he isn’t tackling anyone. His stats are great. I do question his leadership skills and his ability to win games. He hasn’t won anything significant and I don’t see the team rallying around him like Tebow. Not saying that he needs to be Tebow, but hope an belief are very powerful things. And I didn’t like that he was complaining about drops. Some of throws are high, he throws INTs, etc. Since he makes a bunch of mistakes I don’t think that he should be complaining about drops. This goes to accepting responsibility. he and Hue are acting like it is everyone fault but theirs. Man in the mirror, you know?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
lol Seymour.
15 of 16 teams were not prepared to play the Packers this year.
I have yet to see a team that never has a bad outing.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
There is no way Cable and Hue are the same, without Hue Cable would not have 3 more wins than his previous season. Cable was a bystandered in the last year…
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Huh? Cable was a MUCH better coach than Jackson. Cables teams won 3 of their last five and should have beaten Peyton Manning’s playoff bound Indy team to go 4-1 down the stretch. They played hard til the end. Jackson went 1-4 down the stretch only winning in KC because of a coin flip. And his teams repeatedly got blown out. With arguably better talent
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He was a bystander, what did he do in the previous years before Hue. Nothing!!! He did not know how to use McFadden and he had Nmamdi at his disposal as well.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:58 pm
It’s like Hue gets all the credit for the good things last year when he wasn’t even the HC, but gets absolved of all the bad things that happened WHILE HE IS HC.
Too funny.
Hire a qualified GM from the outside, and see what he says.
If he fires him or keeps him, I am cool with it.
Hue is absolutely nothing special, and counterproductive with his media nonsense and bravado.
^^^^^^^^
If Hue gets fired, they best replace him with a LEGIT proven head coach, otherwise it would be waste of time, because the offense would then regress as well, unless the new head coach keeps Saunders as play caller.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
look, Al Davis left this team in Hue’s hands. He’s already shown he has GM powers. Mark Davis knows this.
Hue will get an extension soon.
Talk of anything otherwise is just pointless.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I’m pretty sure Elway would give Palmer a piggyback ride from Oakland to Denver if we were willing to trade him for Tebow.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:02 pm
art shells clipboard Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:54 pm
There is no way Cable and Hue are the same, without Hue Cable would not have 3 more wins than his previous season. Cable was a bystandered in the last year…
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Huh? Cable was a MUCH better coach than Jackson. Cables teams won 3 of their last five and should have beaten Peyton Manning’s playoff bound Indy team to go 4-1 down the stretch. They played hard til the end. Jackson went 1-4 down the stretch only winning in KC because of a coin flip. And his teams repeatedly got blown out. With arguably better talent
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He was a bystander, what did he do in the previous years before Hue. Nothing!!! He did not know how to use McFadden and he had Nmamdi at his disposal as well.
And who was the coordinator when they went 4-1 down the stretch? Hue.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
And Sterling Moore was cut/put on practice squad a couple times during the year so he was there for us to get him back. We shoulda got him back instead of that big chump who wore #44.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
How came NE and GB when there D is ranked at the bottom?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Raiders scored 35, 24, 27, and 26 points in four losses.
Hue’s the man.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
@Alex7,
Yeah right! Slick of hearing how “inspiring” Teblow is? I mean they were winning in “spite” of his play.
Just fix the “D” get a GM, which is a “Normal” way to run an NFL franchise. Keep Hue and give him less responsibilities overall and allow him to coach and work with CP3 and all of his weapons.
Would love to see Herrera bounced and some of our old raiders ex-player coaches need to go to.
IN HUE WE TRUST!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Exactly!! Best post of the DAY!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Tebow has more Ws. He doesn’t have more skills, he’s able to maximize what little skills that he does have.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
LB
Patriots are giving up the 16th-most points in the league.
Packers 19th.
Not sure how you call that “bottom” when there are 32 teams, but whatever
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Tebow has more Ws. He doesn’t have more skills, he’s able to maximize what little skills that he does have.
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Tebow only put up those W’s because he had a D to keep them in the game. We win the West going away if our D was playing at the same level as the donkey’s.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Hue will be given the chance to improve upon this year next year with a BETTER D Coordinator, some other D staff additions and some better players and better scheme and with a full year with Palmer with a training camp.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:06 pm
forgot about Herrera. Funny how quiet he’s been since Hue’s taken over. Hope Herrera is shown the door. Bad for business.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:48 pm
so LB
would you say that Tebow is a better QB than Palmer because he wins more?
Or you could be rational and say that Palmer + decent D = dominance. Kinda how he’s made the playoffs twice?
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6 of 22 for 60 yards
Palmer 300 plus yards, but FGs instead of redzone scores….
January 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
228, Well said!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! I hated this defense all season.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
No, no. Hue needs a GM. He isn’t Tuna. He’s barely learning how to manage a football game.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Alex7: you have already been proven wrong. We gave up a mid-1st rounder and a mid-2nd rounder. Big whoop. Gave up McClain and Lamarr Houston. Big whoop.
WHAT KIND OF NONSENSE ARE YOU SAYING??? WHAT ABOUT GAVE UP NNAMDI ASUGMUHA AND SAY STEF WIZ!
You don’t know what these picks will turn into? We used a 3rd round pick on a developmental QB, then give away a 1st and a 2nd for another. Oh yah, and a 4th for Campbell when we got him.
These picks add up over time. Again, I like Palmer, but nobody would have given up what Hue did to get him. The only excuse was we were going to make the play-offs THIS season. We didn’t = Fail.
Simple as that.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:08 pm
@LB:
Teblow has no skills. Once teams started figuring him out, like NE, he was exposed. He had had like 10 turnovers the last 3 games. I guess that is a skill?
Tebow is the worst starting QB in our Divsion, probably in the AFC, and could make a case in the entire NFL.
We lost the Division, Tebow did not win anything, his team won in “Spite” of him…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Stringer Bell Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Tebow has more Ws. He doesn’t have more skills, he’s able to maximize what little skills that he does have.
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Tebow only put up those W’s because he had a D to keep them in the game. We win the West going away if our D was playing at the same level as the donkey’s.
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True but it wasn’t therefore we needed to score more. Like today, we needed 4 more TDs not FGs.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:03 pm
How came NE and GB when there D is ranked at the bottom?
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Because they have top offenses. We didn’t this year, partly because of DMAC’s extended absence and partly because of having to break in a new QB partway through the year.
Our offense this year was good, not great.
A healthy DMAC/Bush combo next year, combined with a Palmer who’s had a full training camp will probably result in that great offense.
Still means that we have to upgrade the Defense.
The facilities need serious upgrading as well. By all accounts, the Raider facilities are a leaguewide joke. There is a way to improve those at no cost, but it would involve leaving Oakland.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
YYZ
yes, these picks add up over time.
You know what else adds up over time? The players we got in return:
Palmer, Curry, Joseph Barksdale, Taiwan Jones, Jason Campbell.
Why act like we gave up those picks for free?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Raider YYZ,
What was our options??? Trust it to Boller? Ditch the season alltogether??? What was your solution at the time, not what you would do now?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Wouldn’t most rational people rather have Palmer, Barksdale, Taiwan Jones, Jason Campbell, and Aaron Curry
over
a typical Raider draft?
I say we already did fine with our 2012 draft.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cable 9-19 without Hue.
Cable 8-8 with Hue.
Case closed.
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Ridiculous. Remember, Cable inherited the entire Kiffin debacle and was saddled with Jamarcus. Hue had none of that. Think any of that matters??
January 1st, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Fire Bresnahan and hire a GM.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:07 pm
No, no. Hue needs a GM. He isn’t Tuna. He’s barely learning how to manage a football game.
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This is right. The problem is if the guy doesn’t know how to manage a football game, he should NOT be a head coach at the pro level. And he cannot manage a pro game. That is PAINFULLY evident.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:14 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Stringer Bell Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Tebow has more Ws. He doesn’t have more skills, he’s able to maximize what little skills that he does have.
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Tebow only put up those W’s because he had a D to keep them in the game. We win the West going away if our D was playing at the same level as the donkey’s.
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True but it wasn’t therefore we needed to score more. Like today, we needed 4 more TDs not FGs.
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It’s was like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Sure it would have been great to get TD’s instead of FG’s. But you expect the D to offer some semblance of fight.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:15 pm
we’ve had 22 first and second round picks since the year 2000.
How many of those have done well?
Nnamdi, DMac, DHB, Zach Miller, Wiz…
5 out of 22?
I’ll take Palmer over those odds every time.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:15 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Cable 9-19 without Hue.
Cable 8-8 with Hue.
Case closed.
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Ridiculous. Remember, Cable inherited the entire Kiffin debacle and was saddled with Jamarcus. Hue had none of that. Think any of that matters??
Was Kiffin really a debacle, what did he want Megatron over Jamarcus and USC is doing really good know despite what R. Bush did to that team.
Cable was a bystander and over his head as a playcaller and coach!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:15 pm
We need a good defensive coordinator like Jack del Rio
January 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
@303Raider
He can run, that’s for sure. His passing is below par though. From the O side, he helped keep the Donks in the game by not making a lot of mistakes.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:55 pm
If Hue gets fired, then we better replace him with a PROVEN head coach like Fisher, Gruden or Cowher.
Otherwise, it would be STUPID to fire Hue in his first year as a head coach with a POS D Coordinator and vanilla defense players and replace him with another rookie Head Coach?
….
I agree. This team needs a veteran head coach.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
If Marion Barber stays in bounds or doesn’t fumble or Prater doesn’t hit a 59-yard FG try Tebow ends the year on a four-game losing streak in which the Broncos average 13 ppg.
In all honesty, I would consider JaMarcus Russell over Tebow. If JaMarcus had 10% the heart or work ethic of Tebow, it’d be no contest.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Seymour,
what Kiffin debacle? We averaged 5-11 from 2003 through 2008. Only when Hue arrived did we go 8-8.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
if our d was compared to a pristine lake in the mountains, the lake would be polluted.
if our d unit went to a brothel, they’d get turned down cuz they stink.
our d is like a skunk. you know they stink but can’t stop them from stinking.
if gollum needed help and could have any pick of defense, he’d pick us last.
the washington cougars could beat us on d.
but redemption is in the hands of the giver, so i says give chuck another chance, cuz in 2002, we was in the suppa bowl, and chuck was our d master. we need playas, not belly achas.
chucky didnt even know he was the d meistro till late in the off season. all the dissin on chuck is pissin. his hunger for redemption will be greater than his inability to lead, and thus will overcome his ineffectiveness.
coaches coach and playas play. offenses make their game charts around weak playas people, not the d coach or the scheme. any scheme can be beat if the playa is weak. think about it. who can defend megatron, or gates, or jerry rice. go after the soft spot. aint rocket science.
the petition to keep chuck is under way.
viva la defense baby.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Anybody else amused that after 7 straight seasons of 11 or more losses, with us becoming the joke of the NFL, we’re now wailing and gnashing our teeth over two straight .500 seasons?
We’re getting better, people. Hue is part of the solution, not part of the problem. Give it time.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
The good news in all of this is any potential GM and new coaching hires would have: a good Q, a good LT, a good RB, and a decent 2ndary to work with coming in. That is more than most.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:18 pm
266 I wouldn’t take JaWalrus over anyone not even Marc Wilson…LOL.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:19 pm
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It’s was like fighting with one arm tied behind your back. Sure it would have been great to get TD’s instead of FG’s. But you expect the D to offer some semblance of fight.
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I’m not disagreeing with you but they weren’t that good. In the middle of the season, you can’t change out a lot of players. That being the case, our only hope was to score a lot but we could do that either. GB scored 45 with their backup QB.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
lol LB
so Tebow and the Broncos NOT SCORING POINTS helped keep the game close because Tebow didn’t turn the ball over?
Punts aren’t giving the ball over to the other team?
wow.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
We got to do whatever we can to get Mike Nolan in here. His defense just absolutely does not quit. Ever! Thay had nothing to play for and that punk Reggie Bush got his 1,000 last week and shut it down this week. Nolan’s gang went out and handled it. Even made Santonio Holmes quit today.
Mike Nolan should be our #1, 2 and 3 priority beginning tomorrow. Get him in and pay him 1 dollar less than Hue and watch us roll to SB next year.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Seymour,
what Kiffin debacle? We averaged 5-11 from 2003 through 2008. Only when Hue arrived did we go 8-8.
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And Jackson went 8-8 again. With momentum. And a better roster. And an easier sked. And went 1-4 down the stretch when the games really mattered, and should have gone 0-5. You’re right, it’s no longer a Kiffin debacle, it is now a jackson debacle.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
exactly RaiderDuck
these people act like they don’t remember what our average season looked like before Hue arrived.
We started every season 1-4 and the season was over in October.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Hue is responsible for the whole team. This team was not competitive in damn near half the games. Hue is an average coordinator and a terrible head coach and DAMN sure not a general manager
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
It’s unreal how the DEFENSIVE problems that were noticeable since the preseason, didn’t improve one bit this year.
That’s a serious issue.
I knew the hiring the Chuck B as the DC would cost this teams wins, but I never thought it would cost them the division title.
Lousy.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
We got to do whatever we can to get Mike Nolan in here. His defense just absolutely does not quit. Ever! Thay had nothing to play for and that punk Reggie Bush got his 1,000 last week and shut it down this week. Nolan’s gang went out and handled it. Even made Santonio Holmes quit today.
Mike Nolan should be our #1, 2 and 3 priority beginning tomorrow. Get him in and pay him 1 dollar less than Hue and watch us roll to SB next year.
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I just worry about trying to convert to a 3-4 given our personnel. Agree that a real DC should work wonders though.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
lol LB
so Tebow and the Broncos NOT SCORING POINTS helped keep the game close because Tebow didn’t turn the ball over?
Punts aren’t giving the ball over to the other team?
wow.
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Ah, yeah. If you have a strong D, you play field position and don’t make mistakes giving the other team a short field. That’s how your boy Dilfer won and Orton today.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We averaged ELEVEN POINTS the season before Hue took over, and 25.6 the year he arrived.
No biggie.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
It’s unreal how the DEFENSIVE problems that were noticeable since the preseason, didn’t improve or weren’t fixed one bit this year.
That’s a serious issue.
I knew the hiring of Chuck B as the DC would cost this teams wins, but I never thought it would cost them the division title.
Lousy.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
yeah LB
you know, I think the Packers, Saints, Patriots, Giants, Falcons, and Steelers method of just scoring A LOT of points is a little better
January 1st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We averaged ELEVEN POINTS the season before Hue took over, and 25.6 the year he arrived.
No biggie.
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We regressed this year. The D gave up more pts too. Double whammy…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
@LB,
If he keeps running he will be out of the league. Not making a lot of mistakes? Dude has turned the ball over like 10x the las 3 weeks.
Donks suck, Rivers and company getting new HC and new system next year, chefs don’t have ann answer at QB.
We should dominate this Divison for next 2-3 years AS long as we fix the Defense. Simple as that.
You can all say Hue has made “clock management, mistakes, etc. all of that does not matter if we win one of the following games:
At bills- Defense’ first fiasco
Home vs Donks: we had a 24-14 lead in the 3rd and our d wets the bed
Home vs Lions: up 27-14, D allows a 98 yd drive? wTF!
Home vs Bolts: : down 31-26, pinned them. A ethe 1/2 yard line and they go 99 yards?
No one wonder HueJax made a few bone head plays, after awhile if you are surrounded day idiots, you start thinking like them!
This loss had to happen so we can for sure get the D overhauled and Get a good GM!!
Raiders 11-5 in 2012-2013!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Remember Chuck B was brought in because no one else wanted the job. Now that we can bring in a DC that will have free reign to institute a real scheme as they see fit should hopefully make all the difference.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
LB, if you have a strong D, AND YOU SCORE POINTS, you win a little more than NOT SCORING points. Kinda simple.
The QB should try to score points.
Say that 100 times.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:16 pm
If Marion Barber stays in bounds or doesn’t fumble or Prater doesn’t hit a 59-yard FG try Tebow ends the year on a four-game losing streak in which the Broncos average 13 ppg.
In all honesty, I would consider JaMarcus Russell over Tebow. If JaMarcus had 10% the heart or work ethic of Tebow, it’d be no contest.
7777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777777
may be the most accurate post I’ve read in a long time.
Sad when you think about it.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
is there salary cap spending on coaches? if so, that explains why we fly on the cheap. and if not, there should be. that would enforce the parity that the league wants.
if chuck b does get released, he could go to denver because i bet he is very well liked in denver. but hes probably beating a locker to pieces as we speak, so dont go near him. you and i would be upset if we were in his shoes. have some compassion towards the brother. we’re all on the same journey.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
No one wonder HueJax made a few bone head plays, after awhile if you are surrounded day idiots, you start thinking like them!
LMAO
January 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I would have done the trade. I liked the trade, it was ballsy and I don’t like Jason Campbell.
But, we missed the play-offs so the trade was a failure.
Only guys like Aaron Rodgers and Tom Brady are worth what we gave up, and none of our young guys are getting the valuable taste of the play-offs that the Bengals, for example, are getting.
Again, I like Palmer. I’m happy to have him moving forward. But we overpaid. Saying it was a good trade is basically saying whatever we gave up would have bee worth it.
As much as I didn’t like Jason Campbell, we were still the #5 offense in 2010 with him. The BIG problem is the D, which Palmer can’t do anything about, and draft picks can.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
hey, here’s a poster with a brain! Notice how he doesn’t want to get rid of the team’s STRENGTH.
Stringer Bell Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Remember Chuck B was brought in because no one else wanted the job. Now that we can bring in a DC that will have free reign to institute a real scheme as they see fit should hopefully make all the difference.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:23 pm
yeah LB
you know, I think the Packers, Saints, Patriots, Giants, Falcons, and Steelers method of just scoring A LOT of points is a little better
^^^^^^^^
No. Their defenses make stops when they need them the most….that’s all. The Raiders can’t make critical stops on D when they need them the most.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:26 pm
256.alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Wouldn’t most rational people rather have Palmer, Barksdale, Taiwan Jones, Jason Campbell, and Aaron Curry
over
a typical Raider draft?
I say we already did fine with our 2012 draft.
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Good stuff!!
Hey, Hue has some critical decisions to make. In my opinion the offesive side has declared itself worthy to be contender in the entire. The defense has not. That is plain and simple so lets start there.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:27 pm
One other thing that needs to be done: Mark and Carol need to get tough with Oakland.
Let them know that either the city comes across with that new stadium that Al was promised SEVENTEEN YEARS AGO, or Mark and Carol will take Los Angeles developer Ed Roski’s offer to build a really sweet NFL stadium for any team that moves to the City of Industry, in exchange for 30% of said team.
The permits have been obtained, and Roski’s just waiting to build. If Oakland can’t fulfill their end of the bargain, that’s their problem.
http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
January 1st, 2012 at 10:27 pm
RaiderYYZ
we drafted Wiz and we missed the playoffs, thus drafting Wiz WAS A FAILURE!
That’s about how much sense you make.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:27 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:25 pm
LB, if you have a strong D, AND YOU SCORE POINTS, you win a little more than NOT SCORING points. Kinda simple.
The QB should try to score points.
Say that 100 times.
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Tell Carson. I was telling him today no more FGs, no more FGS, punch it in!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
I was at this game and it was depressing. I had a feeling something bad would happen today and it did….in typical Raider fashion to start the New Year.
Can’t get a big win in an important game and the D can’t show just once in an important game.
Lousy…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
there i feel better now…
ebsports reporting entire raiders defensive coaching staff has been fired post game.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Purvisman Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:05 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:01 pm I have said since Denver loss that Hue Jackson had major flaws as a HC.
My biggest thing is he is an Al Davis hire. I want a clean break from Al Davis philosophy.
I want a new GM to bring a new culture to organization. Yeah! Me too. Please make us more like Dallas, New England, Green Bay and everybody else in the NFL. I don’t want to be different. Please assimilate us. We must be assimilated.
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agree with all except Dallas.
we already are Dallas. Jekyll and Hyde from week-to-week, and give up fourth quarter leads, except today, where the Giants took off, and the Cowboys couldnt catch up
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Saladfingerz Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
there i feel better now…
ebsports reporting entire raiders defensive coaching staff has been fired post game.
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Link, or you’re BSing us.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
LB,
the 26 points we scored today were the 9th highest out of 32 teams.
Kinda cool, huh?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
http://twitter.com/#!/EastBay_Sports
January 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
come on duck, you know that’s not true. EB makes video games
January 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
# saladfingerz Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
there i feel better now…
ebsports reporting entire raiders defensive coaching staff has been fired post game.
^^^^^^^^
IF true. It’s not really fair to fire good coaches like Waufle and Woodson, who know how to TEACH. Waufle won a Super Bowl with that DLine that dominated undefeated Pats.
I don’t feel sorry for the rest including Biekert. Sorry Biekert.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
We should be like Dallas?? WTF?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:31 pm
come on duck, you know that’s not true. EB makes video games
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I assumed he meant CBS Sports, and just fat-fingered it.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
@EastBay_Sports James Robert Sanos
chris townsend is reporting that the entire #Raiders defensive coaching staff was fired after the game. if true, they deserve it.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:33 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:30 pm
LB,
the 26 points we scored today were the 9th highest out of 32 teams.
Kinda cool, huh?
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Not when you need 39. if we needed 26 to win that would’ve been great.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:22 pm
We averaged ELEVEN POINTS the season before Hue took over, and 25.6 the year he arrived.
No biggie.
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And the Q’s on that 11 point roster were Jamarcus, Gradkowski and Frye. And Jackson was running Cables offense that next year with Campbell and Gradkowski. Jackson wasn’t running his own offense until this year.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm
checkit…jussayin.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Before I go tonight let it be noted Lito Sheppard was exposed. I love Lito and maybe he will be well served to play the safety position because of his determination ,but as of being a starting Raiders corner the game speaks for itself.
Raiders Be With You
January 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
In our final 4 losses, we gave up an AVERAGE of 36 points.
Dang it Hue, how could you not overcome that??
January 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
saladfingerz Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:29 pm
there i feel better now…
ebsports reporting entire raiders defensive coaching staff has been fired post game.
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That is BS. Didn’t happen I can assure you. Not yet anyway.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
where u at?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
raiderduck,
that would be an awesome headline to read though, huh?
Entire D coaching staff, gone. lol.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:35 pm
In our final 4 losses, we gave up an AVERAGE of 36 points.
Dang it Hue, how could you not overcome that??
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he’s the HEAD COACH. It’s his JOB to overcome that.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
We could have had Campbell back on the cheap next year. Or get Flynn, or Orton, or Carson for cheaper.
Instead we missed the play-offs and gave up potentially 2 MORE WIZ’s.
How am I not making sense? How do you actually think giving up what we did for Carson TO NOT MAKE THE PLAY-OFFS ended up being a good trade?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
Hell, why didn’t you take over calling D plays?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
All these excuses for hue on this blog are pathetic, he is not a leader of men, he is no better than norv, a good OC, but sucks as HC, or like wade Phillips, good dc, crappy HC, I could go on, like all the big name college coaches that stink it up in the NFL
Mark Davis needs to demote hue to OC or can him, and bring in a real leader, a real HC that will command respect.
Has chuck been fired yet?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:36 pm
on repeat…
@EastBay_Sports James Robert Sanos
chris townsend is reporting that the entire #Raiders defensive coaching staff was fired after the game. if true, they deserve it.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
lol seymour.
if you’re serious, it’s capitalized. LOL.
Hue should have ran on the field and tackled some fools, huh?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
The 2013 first round pick is officially safe
Where was ford all day
January 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
AFC division is tough cause they all tied. tough at finding wins. so sad to see the season go shat on and wasted. We is like some drunk bar fly that likes to get nasty and then forget about our business.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Hue is NOT a head coach. He’s a decent OC when DMAC is healthy
January 1st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
boss
Not excuses. it’s called:
APPRECIATING THE QUICK TURNAROUND OF THE RAIDERS FRANCHISE FROM 5-11 JOKES TO 8-8 CONTENDERS.
Kinda wordy, but that’s what we’re doing.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:39 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:24 pm
We regressed this year. The D gave up more pts too. Double whammy…
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We REGRESSED THIS YEAR. That is all I need to know. Time for major changes.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:40 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Hue is NOT a head coach. He’s a decent OC when DMAC is healthy
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I completely agree with this. Of course, I would be a decent OC when McFadden is healthy as well. So that is not saying all that much.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
SnB
how sad you didn’t appreciate our DMac-less offense vs the Chargers, Vikings, Bears, Chiefs, and Chargers again.
Missed out on some good stuff.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
The 2013 first round pick is officially safe
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Actually, we still lose it if we go to the AFC Championship next season. Not that any of us would object in the slightest.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Palmer leaves the bungles, the bungles make it to the playoffs, with a rookie QB. Palmer comes to the Raiders, and they start looking like the bungles of old.
HueSux never delivered on his promise, and he doesn’t want to accept any accountability, just a lot of BS and more of the same, he is an incompetent fool. He’ll throw enough people under the bus, and save his hide, a genuine coward.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
http://www.freepriesttjnow.org
Code Black
January 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL Close
“@HLHBK: @CorkOnTheNFL I am hearing mumerings the entire defensive staff was fired after the game. — No word of substance that happened.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
major changes Seymour!! Major!! Blow up the 9th-best offense the last two years! Blow it up!
New QB! New RB! New WRs!!! New popcorn vendors!
Change is what we need, it always works!!!! Right Tampa Bay? Blow up the Gruden playoff team!
Right Vikings? Change, change, change!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
+1 #331
January 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:37 pm
lol seymour.
if you’re serious, it’s capitalized. LOL.
Hue should have ran on the field and tackled some fools, huh?
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That’s the same thing that the Al Davis criticizers refuted. Maybe Davis should have rolled his stoller onto the field and made a play or two late in games.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
279.Stringer Bell Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
We got to do whatever we can to get Mike Nolan in here. His defense just absolutely does not quit. Ever! Thay had nothing to play for and that punk Reggie Bush got his 1,000 last week and shut it down this week. Nolan’s gang went out and handled it. Even made Santonio Holmes quit today.
Mike Nolan should be our #1, 2 and 3 priority beginning tomorrow. Get him in and pay him 1 dollar less than Hue and watch us roll to SB next year.
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I just worry about trying to convert to a 3-4 given our personnel. Agree that a real DC should work wonders though.
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I believe Mike Nolan can take 25 guys off this blog and form a better defense. We might get our asses run over but we would be in our damn gaps to get run over in the first place and we damn sure gonna tip some balls to prevent completions. And we won’t be blitzin from where punt returners line up.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
wait zopi,
I thought the Bengals of old made the playoffs twice in the last 6 years? I’m confused.
Is it good or bad to be the bengals of old?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Draft picks are overrated. I’d do the Palmer trade over any day of the week even though all we got to show for it this year was a full 16 games of meaningful football.
We just gave up the No. 17 pick in the 2012 draft. Here are the last 10 No. 17 picks in the NFL draft
2011 – Nate Solder, T
2010 – Mike Iupati, G
2009 – Josh Freeman, QB
2008 – Gosder Cherilus, T
2007 – Jarvis Moss, DE
2006 – Chad Greenway, LB
2005 – David Pollack, LB
2004 – DJ Williams, LB
2003 – Bryant Johnson, WR
2002 – Phillip Buchanon, CB
How many of those players would you take over Carson Palmer? I think the only one you could make an argument for is Josh Freeman. And even that is debatable. There are a couple of other decent players on that list, but none present anywhere near the value and importance to a franchise of a Carson Palmer.
Look, the draft is fun and there’s a lot of hype around it, mainly because it’s an oasis of football between the Super Bowl and start of training camp. And it’s important to draft well. But the odds of stumbling on a player of Carson Palmer’s caliber with a draft pick are very, very slim. Definitely below 10%.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Hue IS responsible for the penalties. He IS responsible for leading total team collapses this year.
Hue was hired under “special” circumstances. Hue would not be a head coach candidate anywhere. Get me fisher, pagano oranyone else. I want a team that fights, hue’s teams lay down. Not interested in watching that crap again next year.
FIRE HUE JACKSON!!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
thank you Chris. Logic is as elusive as platinum in here.
and I would NOT take Freeman over Palmer.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
lol SnB
look at that passion! the exclamation points!!!!
Fire John Madden, we had too many penalties back then, dangit!!!!!
Fire Tom Flores!!! Way too many penalties back then!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:45 pm
339 Well said!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
We REGRESSED THIS YEAR. That is all I need to know. Time for major changes
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You can kiss Hue and Chuck B. goodbye and say hello to a new GM soon. This was a one year experiment and the
owners are not going to allow 8 straight sell-out crowds to be beat over the head any longer with cheap talk from an underachieving head coach.
I think I smell the Clorox being opened…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:43 pm
279.Stringer Bell Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:21 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:20 pm
We got to do whatever we can to get Mike Nolan in here. His defense just absolutely does not quit. Ever! Thay had nothing to play for and that punk Reggie Bush got his 1,000 last week and shut it down this week. Nolan’s gang went out and handled it. Even made Santonio Holmes quit today.
Mike Nolan should be our #1, 2 and 3 priority beginning tomorrow. Get him in and pay him 1 dollar less than Hue and watch us roll to SB next year.
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I just worry about trying to convert to a 3-4 given our personnel. Agree that a real DC should work wonders though.
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I believe Mike Nolan can take 25 guys off this blog and form a better defense. We might get our asses run over but we would be in our damn gaps to get run over in the first place and we damn sure gonna tip some balls to prevent completions. And we won’t be blitzin from where punt returners line up.
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Can’t argue with that LOL. I too was getting tired of seeing Giordano blitzing as if Rivers is not going to see that…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:46 pm
firing a Raiders coach because of penalties.
Blasphemy! lol. Would we ever have a coach more than 1 year?
Fire Madden! Fire Flores! Fire Gruden!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:49 pm
#340
Actually, I’m ok with him coming back to be the HC but that’s it. he needs to focus and learn how to do that.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Hue IS responsible for the penalties. He IS responsible for leading total team collapses this year.
Hue was hired under “special” circumstances. Hue would not be a head coach candidate anywhere. Get me fisher, pagano oranyone else. I want a team that fights, hue’s teams lay down. Not interested in watching that crap again next year.
FIRE HUE JACKSON!!!
^^^^^^^^
And replace him with who??
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:42 pm
major changes Seymour!! Major!! Blow up the 9th-best offense the last two years! Blow it up!
New QB! New RB! New WRs!!! New popcorn vendors!
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You didn’t read my prior posts. Any GM and coaching staff coming in will have a good Q, good RB, Good LT, good 2ndary to work with coming in. That is more than most. The entire thing does not need to blown up, just most of it.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I can’t understand how they continued to call that stupid D that made McCain cover WRs down the middle. That’s just nuts.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:51 pm
I wish Al was still here.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
# LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I can’t understand how they continued to call that stupid D that made McCain cover WRs down the middle. That’s just nuts.
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Dang that worked so well with Boyd and Romac on Megatron that Chuck Beaverhands thought he’d try it sommore and throw in a little Wimbley on A Gates coverage downfield for good measure. Genius!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Chuck Bresnahan and the D players betrayed this team today, just as they did all year long!
Can’t win consistently or win in the playoffs without a a good to average D in this league, unless you are Brady or Rodgers. Palmer and the Raiders offense can’t carry the whole team like those guys can, so a better DEFENSE is needed…..badly for the Raiders to take it to the next level!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I can’t understand how they continued to call that stupid D that made McCain cover WRs down the middle. That’s just nuts.
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Simple. Chuck Bresnahan is not a legitimate NFL Defensive Coordinator. Hue’s not the problem. Hue’s offense is not the problem. Our pathetic, crappy defense is.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
WE ARE #1 IN FLAGS AND YARDS!
FFFCCKKKKKKK HEELLLLLLLLLLLL YEEEEEEEEEAAAHHH!!!!!!!!!!!!!
#1. take that and shove league. WE OWN IT.
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January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
FIRE HUE JACKSON!!!
^^^^^^^^
And replace him with who??
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So you guys are fine with being 7-4, losing control of our own destiny, going 1-4 down the stretch,(which easily could have been 0-5) even tho we were getting healthy, then we were in position to AGAIN take control of the division on the very last game and couldn’t do it. And you guys are OK with that?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Wimbley on Gates…..genius move by Chuck B.
Lito staying on Floyd…without any help or a pressure on Rivers…..genius move by Chuck B.
Al Davis letting Marshall walk and hiring some clown like Chuck B to run the D? Genius….Ugh
January 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Josh freeman is 10 yrs younger than palmer and has more upside. Carson topped out years ago and is over 30 and getting older
January 1st, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Raider O Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:51 pm
I wish Al was still here.
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Do I wish Al were still alive? YES.
Do I wish Al were still running the Raiders? No.
Al’s intransigence is why no legitimate NFL Defensive Coordinator since Willie Shaw even considered Oakland. Who needs the owner calling you up on the sideline and yelling every time a blitz or zone doesn’t work?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
FIRE HUE JACKSON!!!
^^^^^^^^
And replace him with who??
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So you guys are fine with being 7-4, losing control of our own destiny, going 1-4 down the stretch,(which easily could have been 0-5) even tho we were getting healthy, then we were in position to AGAIN take control of the division on the very last game and couldn’t do it. And you guys are OK with that?
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Its a team game ya’ll. There is no “i” in team. COM’ON.
Fire one, fire them all. Yeah right. IT IS A TEAM GAME.
TEAM GAME.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
well seymour,
if you haven’t paid attention, we’re kinda assuming that the man who gave up an average of 36 POINTS PER GAME in the final 5 weeks will be let go.
So we’re ok with that aspect.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
339 Chris…
2 draft picks, not 1. Then when you consider that we spent a 3rd on Pryor who now will not play for 3-5 more seasons (if ever), it’s 3 picks.
In terms of your 17’s, an O-line including Iupati and Solder would look a lot better than ours.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:56 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I can’t understand how they continued to call that stupid D that made McCain cover WRs down the middle. That’s just nuts.
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Simple. Chuck Bresnahan is not a legitimate NFL Defensive Coordinator. Hue’s not the problem. Hue’s offense is not the problem. Our pathetic, crappy defense is.
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Our pathetic crappy defense did not waste our 2nd half timeouts because we couldn’t get a play called in time. And then took timeouts instead of delay of games, which is completely assinine. Which then left us with one timeout, which we felt we didn’t want to risk late in the game on a challenge when a safety could have won the game. That was Jackson, not the pathetic crappy defense.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
# LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I can’t understand how they continued to call that stupid D that made McCain cover WRs down the middle. That’s just nuts.
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But then again Huejax gave the d gameplan his stamp of approval…”players just have to make plays”?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:55 pm
well seymour,
if you haven’t paid attention, we’re kinda assuming that the man who gave up an average of 36 POINTS PER GAME in the final 5 weeks will be let go.
So we’re ok with that aspect.
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The man who gave up an average of 36 points per game in the final 5 weeks was Jackson. How do you not get that?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Al drafted Pryor.
That was a waste.
Called a sunk cost. You don’t stop trying to improve just because you have a sunk cost.
We have our best QB since Gannon for the next 3 years, and it cost us one 50% bust-chance draft pick, and a 60% bust-chance draft pick.
We’re cool with that.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:53 pm
FIRE HUE JACKSON!!!
^^^^^^^^
And replace him with who??
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So you guys are fine with being 7-4, losing control of our own destiny, going 1-4 down the stretch,(which easily could have been 0-5) even tho we were getting healthy, then we were in position to AGAIN take control of the division on the very last game and couldn’t do it. And you guys are OK with that?
^^^^^^^^^
Hue had to deal with a crap load of adversity this year man. In Hues first year….I think he did an admirable job.
Gotta get the man a REAL DC and build a REAL defense and get him a GM/Personnel Man who he can work with, so he can go back to concentrating on coaching full time instead of worrying about player personnel stuff.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
and…
Chris “But the odds of stumbling on a player of Carson Palmer’s caliber with a draft pick are very, very slim. Definitely below 10%”.
He threw 17 INTs in 8 games? He’ll be better next year and he’s a good QB, BUT…
January 1st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
lol seymour.
behind door #1, 38 points given up, 99 yard drive. 5th week in a row.
door #2: our use of timeouts.
Which one should we focus on? Hmm, choices, choices.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:57 pm
The man who gave up an average of 36 points per game in the final 5 weeks was Jackson. How do you not get that?
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No, the man who gave up a disgraceful 36 points a game was Chuck Bresnahan, who will soon be shown the door.
January 1st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Can’t fire Hue Jackson and replace him with another rookie head coach. Don’t make sense.
Only way they fire Hue, is IF the next GM can get a proven head coach like Fisher, Gruden or Cowher.
Otherwise there is no point to fire Hue. He needs a GM and REAL DC!
January 1st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
Expanding on post #339 and, just to be thorough, the last 49th overall picks of the draft (representing the typical 2nd round pick we’ll also be giving up):
2011 – Ben Ijalana, T
2010 – Taylor Mays, S
2009 – Max Unger, OL
2008 – DeSean Jackson, WR
2007 – Kenny Irons, RB
2006 – Kellen Clemens, QB
2005 – Marcus Johnson, G
2004 – Keiwan Ratliff, CB
2003 – Eddie Moore, LB
2002 – Levar Fisher, LB
Please explain to me again how this was a bad trade?
January 1st, 2012 at 10:59 pm
DKnight,
thanks for an intelligent post.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
BS. Get a legit head coach who can hire a legit DC. Hue jackson would not be on the radar for a head coach job if not for al davis
January 1st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
If Hue is retained we will be having this same conversation this time next year.
Save this post and bash me with it if you want to.
Just remember that I said it. Hue Jackson will not take this team to the Superbowl and he will be damn lucky to make the playoffs.
With the schedule in 2012 he might even have a losing record.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
hmm, I meant post 367.
Disagree with 372.
Hue is no worse than Gruden was after year 1 and Fisher was the most average 8-8 coach ever.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Chuck B should not be allowed near this team or the building. He is an idiot.
Fire this Monkey!!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Hue had to deal with a crap load of adversity this year man. In Hues first year….I think he did an admirable job.
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I think he was doing an admirable job. Then he went 1-4 down the stretch with more than one blow out. And remember, if Richard Seymour does not make a game saving tackle on Mark Sanchez and then block two FG’s and Huff doesn’t make a last second INT, this could easily have been a 4-12 or 5-11 season. Again, with better personnel, an easier sked and mo coming in. That should garner an immediate firing IMHO.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:00 pm
BS. Get a legit head coach who can hire a legit DC. Hue jackson would not be on the radar for a head coach job if not for al davis
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Wrong. The 49ers interviewed him the week before he became our HC. Yes, it was a Rooney Rule interview, but the Niners could just as easily have interviewed a minority assistant on their own staff. They interviewed Hue. Why? Because they saw him as a legit HC.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
geez wasbanned.
Hue will not take this team to the Super Bowl?
There’s like a 90% chance to say that about any NFL team.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 10:58 pm
and…
Chris “But the odds of stumbling on a player of Carson Palmer’s caliber with a draft pick are very, very slim. Definitely below 10%”.
He threw 17 INTs in 8 games? He’ll be better next year and he’s a good QB, BUT…
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He’s thrown 15 or more 4/8 years. That’s not going to change. He doesn’t make good decisions and won’t run because he’s to precious.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Let’s take a look at the starting D
1.-Bryant, need to be resigned and move to dt hoping to Shaughnessy to return next season.
2.-Seymour. I think he has 1 year left in his tank has te redo his contract
3.-Kelly. an inconsistent player could be cut to free up cap room
4.-Houston. he has no business being a de has to move to Dt to take Kelly’s place
Obviously we need a DE Omenyiora Tuck, Williams could be options here
Lbs.
5.- Wimbley. an average player, we could do worse
6.- Maclain. i think he got confused with Chuck’s scheme he could do better with a new DC
7.- Curry. an all world talent with a low overall IQ he is only a box player and a 2 down lb , still a huge improvement over Groves.
We need depth here could come in the draft probably a 6 rounder and counting at Gothel return.
Dbs.
9.- Lito Shepard. there is a reason he wasn’t on a team in week 10 sad to say he was the best corner on the team.
10.-Huff/Giordano. You have to love Giordano’s toughness still a borderline player Huff is better if he can stay healthy.
11.- Branch. an above average player who is going to be overpaid in the offseason.
12.- Routt. someone teach him some tecnhique to not get caught with so many penalties, obviously Woodsoon couldn’t.
This has to be worst secondary in football bar none Help could be coming with the 3rd rounder and a couple of fa signings (finnegan Grimes)
Overall i don’t see this grupo as the 31 worst d on football they could be about 15 with a better coaching. we have to add that Woodson, Biekert experiment failed miserably, not to mention Chucki’s scheme.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
seymour,
HOW DO YOU WIN when your D gives up an AVERAGE of 36 points in the final 5 games?
Kinda hard to overcome if you’re not the Packers or Saints.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Giving up a 99 yard TD drive today was the nail in the coffin for Chuck B and maybe the whole D staff along with some players….especially after allowing 70 and 97 yard drives to Detroit at home two weeks prior and then allowing this 99 yarder today??
Man, I hoping they got that safety, just so the offense can get the ball back and score and keep our D off the field. It didn’t happen.
Heck, even if the Raiders did get the safety and then score a TD, that lousy Chuck B led D would have probably given up the lead again with 7 minutes to go anyways.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
LOL at anyone wanting to can Hue for Fisher or Cowher.
Yes, let’s get rid of a dynamic young coach the players have completely bought into for a retread whose last few seasons were uninspired at best.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
No, the man who gave up a disgraceful 36 points a game was Chuck Bresnahan, who will soon be shown the door.
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OK, if you don’t think jackson is responsible, then as someone above suggests, expect the same thing year in and year out, until someone realizes he IS responsible, and gets him the fukk out of here.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Let’s see how many games did Chuck B cost us this season.
- SD
- Lions
- Miami
-Denver
- Bills
5 games!!!!
Fire the Monkey!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Solid post Ron69.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:04 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Hue had to deal with a crap load of adversity this year man. In Hues first year….I think he did an admirable job.
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I think he was doing an admirable job. Then he went 1-4 down the stretch with more than one blow out. And remember, if Richard Seymour does not make a game saving tackle on Mark Sanchez and then block two FG’s and Huff doesn’t make a last second INT, this could easily have been a 4-12 or 5-11 season. Again, with better personnel, an easier sked and mo coming in. That should garner an immediate firing IMHO.
…..
Exactly.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Yes, let’s get rid of a dynamic young coach the players have completely bought into for a retread whose last few seasons were uninspired at best.
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Completely bought into? Did you watch the Miami, GB, Denver and KC games in the 2nd half of the season?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Raider O
plain as day to see, huh?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Raider O,Sad day in Raider Land,Hue is a good PR guy,a good OC.We need a strong HC,who that will be,I dunno,I guess a GM first,throw the checkbook at Gruden,and a few others,see what happens.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Raider O Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Let’s see how many games did Chuck B cost us this season.
- SD
- Lions
- Miami
-Denver
- Bills
5 games!!!!
Fire the Monkey!!!!
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Exactly. Win any two of those, and we win the division going away.
Win all five, and we get home field advantage.
HUE IS NOT THE PROBLEM. He’s arguably doing better than Saint Chucky was after HIS first season as HC.
Bresnahan and his crappy defenses are the problem.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
“Palmer isn’t a difference maker: The Raiders traded two premium picks (including their first-round pick in April) to Cincinnati for Carson Palmer.Palmer did throw for 417 yards, but he wasn’t the difference. Now, the Raiders have to move forward with the 32-year-old and hope he doesn’t continue to decline as he had for the past three years. The Raiders went all in for 2011 with the Palmer trade and all they got was a second straight 8-8 season and no playoff berth. ”
Bill Williamson
Pretty much sums it up
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Bresnahan-on-the-chopping-block-Sure-sou?blockID=622994&feedID=2801&utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
I like how Seymour has to point out the losses, as if no other team loses games.
And then he adds the KC game, a game that we played our hearts out and won.
Weirdo.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Inside source tells me Hue and Chuck were dukin it out after Hues presser. Said Chuck was easedroppin on the presser and didn’t like what he heard. Remaining players broke up the brou haha and made the two agitators kiss and make up. Latest report says the two are out on the town drinkin it up like there is no tomorrow. Meanwhile, Amy has begun searching for her GM list. She was overheard saying after that 99 and a half yard back breaker, she was so mad she threw her yearly planner note book out of her luxury box hoping to hit Breshnahan in the back of the head. Obviously she missed but has yet to recover the book.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
when did a mid 2nd rounder become a “premium” pick.
You guys are sheep.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:07 pm
I would take Al’s defense over Chucky’s.
Fire Chucky!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:08 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
geez wasbanned.
Hue will not take this team to the Super Bowl?
There’s like a 90% chance to say that about any NFL team.
….
Hue is in over his head. Wait and see.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
wasbanned,
we waited and saw while you told us DMac couldn’t run in this league, and that Jamarcus was going to be great.
Hue just completed a solid rookie year of coaching, while losing his starting QB, RB, 2 of 3 WRs, and having the 29th-ranked D forced upon him.
I’m cool with 8-8 under that.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
6.- Maclain. i think he got confused with Chuck’s scheme he could do better with a new DC
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Man oh man aren’t we all confused with this scheme?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
Give me a QB who is smart, can read defenses, can make throws like the on the money rainbows to D-Moore each of the last two weeks or to DHB against KC to set up the game winner or probably two dozen other tremendous throws Palmer has made since he stepped in. Or a QB who is capable of putting up 300 yard games in the majority of his starts.
And I know the INT number was eye-popping, but let’s be fair and remember that about half of Palmer’s INTs came in his first two games when he had just come off the couch and was thrust into action. Since those first two games, Palmer had one bad game in terms of INTs (@ GB). Otherwise, his INT numbers were reasonable, especially for a QB who pushes the ball down field to make big plays and is willing to take the gambles necessary to do so.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
“Wrong. The 49ers interviewed him the week before he became our HC. Yes, it was a Rooney Rule interview, but the Niners could just as easily have interviewed a minority assistant on their own staff. They interviewed Hue. Why? Because they saw him as a legit HC.”
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Absolute Rooney rule interview. Harbaugh was probably in the next office picking out wallpaper and furniture while Hue was interviewing.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
oh, did I mention Hue traded a 7th rounder for our now-top LB?
That was kinda awesome too.
And that he’s about to fire the coach Al Davis wouldn’t have fired?
That’s excellent as well.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
lol, Hue turns around a joke Raiders franchise and people don’t think he’d be scooped up in a heart-beat.
Norv was. Kiffin was. Hue would also.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
-Al’s Defense: can’t stop the run, but played the pass well.
- Chucky’s Defense: can’t stop the run or the pass.
I Miss Al as a person, owner, GM, and DC.
Al’s Defense > Chucky’s
January 1st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
wasbanned,
we waited and saw while you told us DMac couldn’t run in this league, and that Jamarcus was going to be great.
Hue just completed a solid rookie year of coaching, while losing his starting QB, RB, 2 of 3 WRs, and having the 29th-ranked D forced upon him.
I’m cool with 8-8 under that.
….
What the f’ck are you talking about lunatic.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
# ron69 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Let’s take a look at the starting D
1.-Bryant, need to be resigned and move to dt hoping to Shaughnessy to return next season.
2.-Seymour. I think he has 1 year left in his tank has te redo his contract
3.-Kelly. an inconsistent player could be cut to free up cap room
4.-Houston. he has no business being a de has to move to Dt to take Kelly’s place
Obviously we need a DE Omenyiora Tuck, Williams could be options here
Lbs.
5.- Wimbley. an average player, we could do worse
6.- Maclain. i think he got confused with Chuck’s scheme he could do better with a new DC
7.- Curry. an all world talent with a low overall IQ he is only a box player and a 2 down lb , still a huge improvement over Groves.
We need depth here could come in the draft probably a 6 rounder and counting at Gothel return.
Dbs.
9.- Lito Shepard. there is a reason he wasn’t on a team in week 10 sad to say he was the best corner on the team.
10.-Huff/Giordano. You have to love Giordano’s toughness still a borderline player Huff is better if he can stay healthy.
11.- Branch. an above average player who is going to be overpaid in the offseason.
12.- Routt. someone teach him some tecnhique to not get caught with so many penalties, obviously Woodsoon couldn’t.
This has to be worst secondary in football bar none Help could be coming with the 3rd rounder and a couple of fa signings (finnegan Grimes)
Overall i don’t see this grupo as the 31 worst d on football they could be about 15 with a better coaching. we have to add that Woodson, Biekert experiment failed miserably, not to mention Chucki’s scheme.
^^^^^^^^^
This team needs a an aggresive in shape NT/UT type who has a high motor
I think Wimbley needs to be plugged in as the RDE and let him do what he does best and get to the QB.
This team needs a SAM who will push RoMac and compete with him and they also need a solid vet WILL, to compete with and help teach Curry.
Seymour has one more year left and needs to re work his contract and Houston and Bryant to be played on the inside. I think Kelly needs to be traded for a pick or he needs to restructure his contract down also. ShoNasty will come back and play LDE.
Routt needs to learn to use better technique and not make blatant penalties in front of the refs.
Lito is a nickel corner at best now. Gotta hope DVD or Chekwa can start and be effective next year.
Huff needs to restructure down his contract also.
Giordano plays hard and needs to stay as a dime, backup or special teams.
The key to this defense really turning it around next year and is getting a better DC who can teach and who brings a better disciplined smart scheme.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Someone please show me where I said Justf’ckedus Russell would be great?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Al’s last mistake was hiring Chucky.
Chucky and Robo should be out of the NFL.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
We’re in good hands with Hue.
He’ll fire Chuck, bring in worthy candidates that you must pay good $ to for the first time…ever?
He’ll bring in more players like Curry and Palmer, let go of scholarship guys that Al wouldn’t.
It’s going to be awesome.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
WHY WHY WHY
We need more players who understand our coaches better.
These guys come here just to get a paycheck, but some of them are here because they really want to be ball players. Some couldn’t give a rip snort. But we will get it going next year.
Code Black
January 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
As for DMAC…
He really hasn’t proven sh!t because he can’t stay healthy.
A few good games doesn’t make him great.
Ask Fitzpatrick in Buffalo.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:06 pm
I like how Seymour has to point out the losses, as if no other team loses games.
And then he adds the KC game, a game that we played our hearts out and won.
Weirdo.
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Dumbest post you have ever made. And you make a lot of dumb posts. That was the only game in the last five we won. And the only reason we won that was because of the coin flip. Unless you are going to make a claim that our team would have shut down KC’s O in overtime.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Chuck is gone. Good riddance. Let’s face it, people. Had they somehow pulled it out, we would have been looking at 1 and done. This is not a team that can challenge for a championship. No way.
Hue’s not perfect. Nobody is. But Chuck is atrocious. He held the team back this year. Give us a mediocre defense and we go well into the playoffs, easy.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:14 pm
# saladfingerz Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
6.- Maclain. i think he got confused with Chuck’s scheme he could do better with a new DC
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Man oh man aren’t we all confused with this scheme?
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Chuck B had no “scheme” and most of us who know football knew this after seeing what was going on with the D during the preseason games and seeing this D blow games and cost us wins this season.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Highly doubt the entire staff was fired….already?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
Give me a QB who is smart, can read defenses, can make throws like the on the money rainbows to D-Moore each of the last two weeks or to DHB against KC to set up the game winner or probably two dozen other tremendous throws Palmer has made since he stepped in. Or a QB who is capable of putting up 300 yard games in the majority of his starts.
And I know the INT number was eye-popping, but let’s be fair and remember that about half of Palmer’s INTs came in his first two games when he had just come off the couch and was thrust into action. Since those first two games, Palmer had one bad game in terms of INTs (@ GB). Otherwise, his INT numbers were reasonable, especially for a QB who pushes the ball down field to make big plays and is willing to take the gambles necessary to do so
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But he threw 20 last year with a preseason, etc.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Dallas is learning what we and the browns already know.
Robo sucks!!!!
Hire Del Rio as DC.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
We’re in good hands with Hue.
He’ll fire Chuck, bring in worthy candidates that you must pay good $ to for the first time…ever?
He’ll bring in more players like Curry and Palmer, let go of scholarship guys that Al wouldn’t.
It’s going to be awesome.
^^^^^^^^^
We need a GM/Personnel Man first.
Reggie McKenzie from the Packers or Eric DeCosta from the Ravens!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Did GG ever give examples of Hue being a “bigmouth”? Honestly, I never saw it. Hue’s opinionated, maybe more so than the average coach. But to me a big mouth is someone who calls opponents out. Like Rex Ryan…who GG compared Hue to. Yeah, I remember those games where Hue blatantly used war terminology (frowned upon in the league since 9/11) and put pictures of opponents bloodied faces on playbooks. Really, GG? All Hue has to do is have some strong opinions about his own team to be equated to perhaps the most obnoxious, crude coach of the modern sports era? Ridiculous.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
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I don’t know, tell that to Green Bay. Their entire roster is home grown. And they just won the World Championship. I would still pull the trigger on the Palmer deal, 10 out of 10 times.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
nah sulli, he shut up after that.
apparently if Hue talks, it makes him a big mouth.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:13 pm
We’re in good hands with Hue.
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He can’t manage a game. He can’t get play calls in on time. What are you thinking?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
# RaiderSam Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Highly doubt the entire staff was fired….already?
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Just a retweeted report from Chris Townsend on the radio…who knows what was actually said.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
411. Al did not leave this world with the Raiders in great shape. As I have said for the last several years, he was destroying this once proud franchise. May he rest in peace, and I can only wish Mark Davis the best of luck, because I bleed Silver and Black. I am in pain after this devastating defeat today. The team will need to join the 49ers in Santa Clara, or move back to Los Angeles. Oakland will be left for dead soon, because the A’s will be going to San Jose.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:19 pm
LB,
Brees threw 22. INTs are overrated. Eli throws plenty of them too.
It’s what you do with your completions that matter.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
seymour,
I’m thinking lots of NFL coaches have that issue.
You disagree?
No big deal for a rookie one. Not when he’s averaging a top-10 offense two years running.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
For those down on the Palmer trade, were you willing to kiss the season goodbye after Campbell got hurt? Yeah it didn’t work out as planned, but I sure as hell would have rather taken the shot than rolling with Boller or Pryor. Those draft choices are not known quantities and at least we had a shot with Palmer this year and going forward. The failure is placed solely on our D.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
I am not on board with Del Rio as DC. He was known as a last in first out of the building coach in Jacksonville.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Raider O,kids got home and didnt want to talk,they said heard it all,Dad.Im thinking the Raiders bought into the chargers will tank,so many LOCAL media were sayin such,We dont be long in playoffs anyway!How in the fug did that happen?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The coming days will be historical for Raider fans. Mark will let on just what direction the organization’s heading in from a football standpoint, and perhaps even what kind of personality he’ll have as an owner. All ? marks as of now. Going to be interesting. First off-season in a half century without Al Davis calling the shots. Who will? A GM? Hue? Trask? Herrera? I hope it’s not the latter 2. Anyone party to 7 straight seasons with 11 or more losses should be allowed to get coffee, and that’s about it.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:22 pm
Bobby Bushay Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 9:13 pm
As far as the draft goes… I wonder if the new GM places a transition tag on Michael Bush with a 2nd round tender on him. The Raiders should get a end of the 3rd round compensatory pick for Nnamdi.I googled the Jason Campbell trade – according to ESPN’s John Clayton, the 4th pick was conditional on Jason Campbell if he either A) made the Pro Bowl or B) made the playoffs. Neither has happened, so if this is true, we will keep that selection. If the fire sale goes forth, there might be a trade or two for picks that the new GM obtains. The 2012 draft is far from a wash for the Raiders. Doubtful if we have a 1st rounder to be sure, but I don’t think the sky is falling.
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MBush’s star has fallen from the sky. Early on, nobody knew him, his play, style or whatever. He’s now a known commodity – a 255# rather slow cumbersome RB who can catch but is not a big threat to go anywhere. He’s not a power runner but more of a finesse runner. Personally, I don’t care if we keep him or not. He’s not worth big $’s. He runs out of gas in the late 3rd and 4th quarters and he can’t/won’t pass protect block for the QB. That’s a BIG liability. Reece is easily worth 4 MBush’s. There’s going to be a ton of UFA this upcoming year. I think we can do much better.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Anyone hear hererras press conference? someone told me he was ripping everyone from the front office, the board, coaches, players, concession workers, parking lot attendants, everyone he could think of. He was pissed off and angry. Said he didn’t appreciate the way people don’t appreciate him. Said he was making earth shaking changes. I’d be pissed to. We shat ouselves right out of the fcking post season. Dude has been the quiet backbone of the whole Raider organization. Doesn’t dig losin.
And then he ended his tirade with a:
CODE BLACK! WILL BE BACK! 2012 JUST WIN BABY!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Alex7:
winning last week was a total fluke! We had 16 penalties, and it took bone headed INT’s from Orton, 2 FG blocks, and a coin flip to do it.
Last week against the chiefs was playing our hearts out? That is SCARY if true.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
The new GM/Personnel man and Huey better do whatever it takes to turn this DEFENSE around this off season, because they play all FOUR AFC North teams and all FOUR NFC South teams next year!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Aaron curry is no big deal. Only player on defense worth keeping are Branch, shaughnessy and bryant.
Rest are junk
January 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:20 pm
seymour,
I’m thinking lots of NFL coaches have that issue.
You disagree?
No big deal for a rookie one. Not when he’s averaging a top-10 offense two years running.
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I do. And when you say Top 10 Offense, you really mean top 3rd of the league no? Not, top two or three offenses in the league (top 10%). So basically top third of the league means average plus, with lots of timeouts, penalties, false starts, delay of games, poor uses of timeouts. That sounds like a bad high school coach, not a playoff bound pro coach.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
We’re not picking on Coughlin. Clock mismanagement occurs every week in the NFL. Even in the playoffs, when you’d expect coaches to be extra vigilant about each precious second.
Says one team exec, “Great coaches, Super Bowl-winning coaches, make egregious clock management mistakes every week.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3837344
But hey, let’s talk about firing ours because he also made some.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:25 pm
LB Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
Give me a QB who is smart, can read defenses, can make throws like the on the money rainbows to D-Moore each of the last two weeks or to DHB against KC to set up the game winner or probably two dozen other tremendous throws Palmer has made since he stepped in. Or a QB who is capable of putting up 300 yard games in the majority of his starts.
And I know the INT number was eye-popping, but let’s be fair and remember that about half of Palmer’s INTs came in his first two games when he had just come off the couch and was thrust into action. Since those first two games, Palmer had one bad game in terms of INTs (@ GB). Otherwise, his INT numbers were reasonable, especially for a QB who pushes the ball down field to make big plays and is willing to take the gambles necessary to do so
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But he threw 20 last year with a preseason, etc.
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Drew Brees threw 22 INTs last year. Has thrown 15+ more often than not. Rivers threw 20+ this year. Eli Manning threw 20+ last year. It happens with most QBs who like to push the ball down the field. Even Peyton Manning is averaging about 15 INTs per year the last 4 years. Do we even need to trot out Favres INT numbers?
QBs who push the ball down the field generally throw a ton of picks. It’s part of the reason I have so much respect for Aaron Rodgers. Because he slings it and is so deadly accurate he doesn’t turn it over much.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
“Other than his pre-season talking up, which is something every 1st year coach does, he has not been a bigmouth or a braggart of any kind. The press asks him questions, he answers. So why would you think he’s a bigmouth? Just doesn’t make sense. And a lot of white people tend to be harsh on black people who speak their mind.”
While I don’t want Hue fired because 1) I think he’s shown the ability to build an offensive team and 2) I don’t want Palmer and the kids (Moore, Ford, DMac, DHB) to have to learn another system just as they have gotten used to one, I DO agree with the poster who called Hue a Big Mouth.
Yeah, he did speak of building a bully several times in pressers all_year_long. The last third of the season he has taken to saying to the press, “I didn’t say that ‘building a bully’ would be easy or quick.’”
So, yeah, he has continued to state the phrase.
However, much more illustrative of what I would agree is a “big mouth” were his words today, his braggadocio of “taking control” of the whole damn organization.
What the hell was that all about? Here we are, all of us fans, excited that we are supposedly going to get a legit football guy as a GM, and our head coach who has just gone 8 and 8 is telling the world that HE’S GOING TO TAKE CHARGE OF THE ORGANIZATION!
That’s not just big-mouthed, that’s big-headed.
That’s the kind of narcissism and Rex Ryan talk that will scare away any good candidate for GM.
Mark Davis has to put the kabosh on Hue’s mouth and his head.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
seymour,
top 10 is average PLUS? cute. But ok, sure, yes, above average with the QB mess we had, and an injured DMac, and no defense to give us the ball in good spots, like EVER.
For a guy in his first two seasons with us, when we used to rank in the 30s, yeah, people are pleased.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Fire Hue’s sorry ass now…fk giving him chances and giving lame excuses. This team won’t get any better in 2012. Hue is full of schit! Fire whole defensive staff? Lol gonna be funny when Hue fks up again next year! Well this year is over…on to Mizzou basketball….go Tigers! Fk this schit!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Staunch,
Herrera has no control whatsoever. Mark can fire him tonight, just before his night cap cocktail with a couple of Hawaiian Airlines attendants. So, talk about people with big mouths…
January 1st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:21 pm
The coming days will be historical for Raider fans.
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I agree with that.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Alex7,
“INT’s are over-rated”…
Ok, that’s it. No point in doing this any longer. INT’s are over rated? Why are the Chargers not making the play-offs?
Why did the Giants NOT make the play-offs last year?
Turnovers are over rated?
Alex7 = pylon
January 1st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
http://twitter.com/townsendradio
I’ve heard from a little birdie that the entire @RAIDERS defensive coaching staff was fired after the game. We’ll see tomorrow @957thegame
There is the link
January 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I had high hopes for Boss, and was looking forward to Hue inserting him more into the game plans next year, esp. when DMac returns (since Dmac can block while Bush and Jones can’t); however, today he got another concussion. He’s had several and when that happens, it continues to happen.
Unfortunately, Boss should get out while he can still think.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
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I don’t know, tell that to Green Bay. Their entire roster is home grown. And they just won the World Championship. I would still pull the trigger on the Palmer deal, 10 out of 10 times.
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I hear you. I definitely agree that draft picks are important, I’m just saying that most people seem to think a 1st round draft pick = an All-Pro QB, when in reality the odds of that first rounder turning into Kyle Boller or some mediocre offensive lineman are far greater than it turning into Aaron Rodgers, let alone Carson Palmer.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Beach Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:18 pm
411. Al did not leave this world with the Raiders in great shape. As I have said for the last several years, he was destroying this once proud franchise. May he rest in peace, and I can only wish Mark Davis the best of luck, because I bleed Silver and Black. I am in pain after this devastating defeat today. The team will need to join the 49ers in Santa Clara, or move back to Los Angeles. Oakland will be left for dead soon, because the A’s will be going to San Jose.
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Move to LA. AEG doesn’t really want the Raiders for their downtown stadium, because they think Raiders fans are too lowbrow for their planned super-expensive condos next to their proposed Farmer’s Field (they’ll take us, but only if the Chargers, Rams etc. are no longer options). Fine. Take Ed Roski’s deal at the City of Industry. He’ll pay for the whole thing himself, in return for 30% of the team.
With an LA base, and the improved facilities, it’ll be easier to bring free agents in.
As for Oakland, meh. They’ve had SEVENTEEN YEARS to come across with a stadium. You snooze, you lose.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
YYZ
why would you lump all turnovers with INTs? odd.
Brees threw 22 picks last year. Did it matter?
Favre LED THE LEAGUE in picks 3 times. Did it matter? No, they won playoff games two of those three years.
The year Kurt Warner threw the most INTs was when they won the Super Bowl.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
LuvMarvHubbard,
A coach saying he wants to take control of an organization is not big mouthed. It’s what a coach is supposed to want. Even if they don’t get that control, any coach worth a damn tries to have a hand in every decision. It’s in a real football coach’s nature. Do you know any football coaches? Even at the pop warner level, let alone HS or college? They want to control every last aspect of their team. Everything. They eat, sleep, and s#it nothing but their team and its direction. You call Hue Jackson a big mouth for having the mentality of a great football coach. That’s basically what you’re doing.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Well, if Bresnahan was fired, his assistants, which were hand-picked by Al too, have to go if you want to do things right.
This way, the new DC gets to hire his own guys; that’s the way it ought to be.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:24 pm
We’re not picking on Coughlin. Clock mismanagement occurs every week in the NFL. Even in the playoffs, when you’d expect coaches to be extra vigilant about each precious second.
Says one team exec, “Great coaches, Super Bowl-winning coaches, make egregious clock management mistakes every week.”
http://sports.espn.go.com/espnmag/story?section=magazine&id=3837344
But hey, let’s talk about firing ours because he also made some.
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That article was about doing different things in different situations. Mike Smith went for it in overtime against the Saints this year on his own 28. He did not get the yard he needed. Curious call indeed. Sure, that happens and coaches and playcallers are second guessed for it continually. But not getting plays in in time? That is flat out unprofessional. How often do you see Sean Payton or Mike McCarthy looking over their notes not knowing what to call?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
could you fathom that an INT from a QB like Tebow, who isn’t doing much with his completions, hurts a lot more than an INT from Palmer when he throws for 300 and 3 TDs with his other throws?
I hope that’s not too hard to understand.
Like a fumble from an average RB will hurt more than an Adrian Peterson fumble, based on what he’s doing with the rest of his carries.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Has Chuck B hung himself yet???
January 1st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
I’ve heard from a little birdie that the entire @RAIDERS defensive coaching staff was fired after the game. We’ll see tomorrow @957thegame
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Wouldn’t doubt it based on Hue’s comments. Sounded like he didn’t want any of them spared. Can you blame him? Complete FAIL.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Oh well. I guess deep down all of us who have been die-hard Raider fans for the last decade or more had to expect we wouldn’t get in, one way or another.
The fact that the Tebow-led Broncos get to play on in the postseason and even host a playoff game is just the icing on the cake.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Later days.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
One I would like to see from a new DC: Have Curry bulk up about 20 pounds, and move him to DE, like the Cardinals did with Freddie Joe Nunn a generation ago.
Everybody says Curry does really well when the play is in front him. Perfect. At DE, all he’d have to do is go upfield.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
If Townsend is right, that the D staff is gone, that almost certainly means Hue will be allowed control of at least his own staff, because there’s no doubt that’s his move. Great news.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Sullivan, Take it easy. Hue is here to stay with Carson Palmer. He just needs to be a Head Coach next season. Nothing more, nothing less.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Hendu,
I feel bad for any fan who was there today.
At first I thought the charges were giving up early in the 1st quarter, but then everything changed.
I agree. We thought they were done for the season, and it cost us. It cost us the POs. this would hurt less if Denver won.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
seymour
why would you compare our rookie coach to the two top play-callers in the entire NFL?
way to set the bar appropriately.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
While I said I didn’t want or expect Hue to be fired, to the person who said Fisher and Cowher would be re-treads–you’re wrong.
Cowher will get a player’s face on the sidelines. I like that.
Fisher will do the same and both had the respect of the players who played under them.
In spite of some zany calls, I believe Hue is an decent playcaller MOST of the time when he has his weapons; but, I wonder if he lacks the certain leadership qualities, the intangible “it factor” that a guy like Cowher has. I just don’t know. We’ll find out by giving him another year, I guess.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Alex7,
“INT’s are over-rated”…
Ok, that’s it. No point in doing this any longer. INT’s are over rated? Why are the Chargers not making the play-offs?
Why did the Giants NOT make the play-offs last year?
Turnovers are over rated?
Alex7 = pylon
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That’s just a crazy comment. Alex7 thinks that INTs are overrated and thinks that throwing for 300 yards in an L is great!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Get a kick out of the folks nitpicking the QB. Played a good game. This is squarely on the D, as it has been with most of our losses. You can just quit with the QB talk. Palmer’s not going anywhere.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Beach, every good HC has significant input in personnel and staff decisions. If you’re saying you only want Hue to coach and nothing else, you’re saying you want his balls cut off, Norv status. I don’t want to go back to the 5-11 days when the Raiders coaches were nothing more than cheerleaders.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:26 pm
seymour,
top 10 is average PLUS?
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If you talking statistics, yes, 10th in the league would be 35% percentile. If 45-55 percentile would be average then, 35-45 would be average plus or C+. Nothing to jump up and down and throw a parade for.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:36 pm
So great, Peemore Bust and Madden Retard arguing in circles, both barely able to defend themselves.
Love my monkey minions, always providing awesome free entertainment for The Beeech Dog, his ladies and his devoted Beech Blog Boyz (fans of Beeech Diggity).
Gonna smoke a doobie, turn on a little Coolio and fire up the PARTYDUDE 8000.
You KNOW what time it be
January 1st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Carson PALMER sucks…..4-5 as starter and spare me your damn excuses…he is a turnover machine and a quitter. God don’t reward cowards like him. He sucked since USC and guess who was his coach there?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Someone needs to be fired ASAP.
I would change the entire coaching staff including Hue. This team should have won this division this year and last year, but we finished 8-8 both seasons.
Fire everyone!!!!!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:39 pm
INT’s are not good. That’s why the Chargers didn’t make the play-offs this year. That’s why the Giants didn’t make the play-offs last year. That’s why the Saints were not as good a team in 2010 as they were the year before, or this year’s team.
We got 2 TD’s on 6 scoring drives today. 415 yards doesn’t matter if you don’t get TD’s, and INT’s loses football games.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Hub Arkush of PFW said the Raiders win when they get to the quarterback and he broke out the stats to prove it.
I don’t know who’s to blame 100 %, but this was the most pathetic defensive performance I can ever remember.
I like Hue (as a person and I like his passion for the Raider “thing”) and want him to stick around for another chance, but his words ring a bit hollow.
At the beginning he said there were two things he was gonna fix:
-Stopping the run. -NOT
-Fixing the penalty “issue” -NOT
I’d like to be all pumped up when Hue says “I’m not gonna have this feeling a year from now..I GUARANTEE it.” I’d like to believe you Hue but after seeing the results of your “guarantees” this year it just sounds like more sales talk. I wanna believe him but…
Guys wanna exonerate Hue and say the defense isn’t HIS fault and yet he himself takes the blame. Ultimately HE is in charge.
He failed in the task given him. Does it mean he can’t fix it? No. I’m willing to give him the chance, but this defense needs WHOLESALE changes.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Beach, there’s only two coaches in the NFL who are coaches and nothing more. Norv Turner and Jason Garret. And if anyone other than Shannahan were in Washington, they would be too. I don’t want the Raiders run like Washington, Dallas and San Diego. We were run that way for some time, and while it worked a quarter century ago, in the past decade it’s earned us 7 straight dismal years. No thanks.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:40 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
seymour
why would you compare our rookie coach to the two top play-callers in the entire NFL?
way to set the bar appropriately.
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You are right. I should compare him to other C+ playcallers. How often did Gary Kubiak, Rob chudzinski and Jason Garret stumble and not be able to get plays in over and over and over?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:41 pm
You can’t blame Hue for Chuck. That was Al’s hiring. We all know that.
Penalties? That’s another story. Very disappointing.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Palmer has earned his share of the blame. He does throw a lot of picks.
One more reason to fire Hue!
Fire the entire coaching staff!! Damn Monkeys!!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:42 pm
lol method
do you remember Jason Campbell’s first 9 starts?
He was on the bench for 3 of them, and lost some of the others.
I’d say given the circumstances, we can expect Palmer’s second season in Oakland to be better than Jason’s 2nd season, which was kinda really good.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Hue ain’t schit either….ego too big…palmer trade and cutting hagan bit us…declaring that “we have a real qb” now and not even tellin jc he was doin that move was chicken schit….cut hagan for housh who gave you nada was worse. Karma got us people. We didn’t deserve it at all…and the McClain incident? Mthfka shoulda been benched! Fk Hue!….see y’all…at some point
January 1st, 2012 at 11:43 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Hub Arkush of PFW said the Raiders win when they get to the quarterback and he broke out the stats to prove it.
I don’t know who’s to blame 100 %, but this was the most pathetic defensive performance I can ever remember.
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Exactly. And on the converse side of this Carson Palmer is absolutely deadly when he is protected and he can step into his throws. That did not happen the last couple of weeks and really did not happen at the desired level today.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:43 pm
method joining the racist “hue’s ego is too big” group.
congrats.
bye Method. Good riddance.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Those of you pretending not to be leftover Al Davis minions while saying that Hue should be coach and nothing more are fooling nobody. There’s only 2 coaches in the league that do nothing more than coach. Garret and Norv. Every other coach in the league has a say in personnel, staff, etc.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:09 pm
Bottom line: Draft picks are O-V-E-R-R-A-T-E-D.
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I don’t know, tell that to Green Bay. Their entire roster is home grown. And they just won the World Championship. I would still pull the trigger on the Palmer deal, 10 out of 10 times.
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I hear you. I definitely agree that draft picks are important, I’m just saying that most people seem to think a 1st round draft pick = an All-Pro QB, when in reality the odds of that first rounder turning into Kyle Boller or some mediocre offensive lineman are far greater than it turning into Aaron Rodgers, let alone Carson Palmer.
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Consequently, the inability to draft and develop picks lead to Carson Palmer and Aaron Curry type deals. They not only have to get a GM, but they have to get one proven to be good at drafting – DeCosta (from the Ravens) and McCloughan (with the Niners, now scouting with the Seahawks) are such players.
Is the fan base patient enough to develop a young team, or do they go hard on free agency next year – Jarret Johnson, Ben Grubbs, Abrayo Franklin, Aaron Ross and/or London Fletcher to get a solid nucleus to build with low picks around?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:32 pm
could you fathom that an INT from a QB like Tebow, who isn’t doing much with his completions, hurts a lot more than an INT from Palmer when he throws for 300 and 3 TDs with his other throws?
I hope that’s not too hard to understand.
Like a fumble from an average RB will hurt more than an Adrian Peterson fumble, based on what he’s doing with the rest of his carries.
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There is some faulty logic. First, he threw for more INTs than TDs(16/13). How many were Pick6s? Add another 17 negative plays called sacks and 2 fumbles. That’s 35 negative plays over 9.5 games which is 3.7/game. There aren’t that many series in a game to overcome when you have ~4 gone before you start.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Fire all of em!
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
“A coach saying he wants to take control of an organization is not big mouthed. It’s what a coach is supposed to want.”
No, Sullivan, you know better. Hue knows full well and good that MDavis and, more importantly, those advising him, are considering the very best people to bring in to manage this franchise. Hue, like anyone who has just had a disappointing year as a first year head coach, but unlike other first year head coaches has been able to call the shots since the big man died, was angling for power. And when he does that, his personality tends to get BIG. Hue is the king of hyperbole. He has even admitted getting “carried away” with saying things before. That=big mouth.
Hue suffers from logorrhea. I believe that about tow or three hours after that presser, he thought better of saying he was going to take over the organization.
That is the job of a GM. Either he was being big-mouthed or, like I said, he was hoping he’d be considered a coach who has power over the guy they hire, in which case, he’g big-headed.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Calm down, bruhs. Put down the drink and get over the loss so you can be more rational.
Palmer + healthy Dmoore/Ford/DHB+ McFadden + this Oline = unstoppable
Just need to improve the D. Heads will roll.
Get rid of the coaches and that giant POS Routt. Need to improve our LBs too.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Is SD’s offensive line THAT GOOD that we couldn’t get any pressure whatsoever on Rivers? Or, is the Raider front that BAD?
This D did NOTHING, NADA, ZIP to even slow SD down. NO PUNTS? The whole frickin game?
Seymour DID NOTHING to lead this team at all. I could care less if he’s gone after this disaster.
A gutless, pathetic performance.
I hate this defense. A collective failure on every level.
I have never had such disdain for an athletic unit than this POS defense.
Statistically they may not register as the worst in the league but I would gladly take any other defense than this one outright, and I guarantee ANY other D in the league finds a way to make a stop…at some point.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RaiderSam
excellent question.
The Raiders will bring in veterans next year because they ALREADY HAVE a solid young nucleus of players.
The last two drafts (probably with imput from Hue) have been surprisingly solid, and yielded the Raiders many young talents.
Taiwan, Wiz, Moore, Ford, Veldheer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, Curry, McClain, solid foundation.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Well, I can see why a Davis minion would think Hue Jackson’s ego is too big. Norv Turner and Art Shell are their ideas as to how a head coach should conduct himself in Oakland. Basically an HC that implies any kind of authority in personnel or staff has an ego. Don’t these guys even know any football coaches? Anyone who does knows that a real football coach tries to control everything right down to the type of cleats.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
8-8 again!?!?!?!?!
Tebow with no offense, and 3-4 good players on Defense are in the POs!!!????!
Last year KC made the POs because they ran the ball well?!?!?!!?!??
2 teams with less talent won the division the last 2 years?!?!
Who do you blame?
The COACHING STAFF.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
B@uce is on point. Hue Jackson was boss hoggin all year and made TERRIBLE decisions that will hurt this team going forward. Hue failed to get this team ready to play in every game down the stretch. He is responsible 4 defense and everything else.
Carson not worth 12 mil he gets nxt year.
FIRE HUE and get a top tier vet coach who will hold players accountible and get them mentally prepared to compete.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
472,Brien,I will give Palmer one more year,period.So,I guess im sayin same for Hue,again,I Dunno,cant start over again,right Fellas?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
RaiderSam
excellent question..
The Raiders will bring in veterans next year because they ALREADY HAVE a solid young nucleus of players.
The last two drafts (probably with imput from Hue) have been surprisingly solid, and yielded the Raiders many young talents.
Taiwan, Wiz, Moore, Ford, Veldheer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, Curry, McClain, solid foundation.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Carson PALMER sucks…..4-5 as starter and spare me your damn excuses…he is a turnover machine and a quitter. God don’t reward cowards like him. He sucked since USC and guess who was his coach there?
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Palmer beat the Steelers with a last second throw in the fourth quarter – the mark of a great QB, he also took the Bengals to their only playoff appearance in a decade.
HE IS NOT THE PROBLEM
its defense – CP3 dropped 400 today, he threw for 13 TDs and 16 picks, and thats the result of having to continually throw because you are behind by so much. This team needs a running game , a run stopping defense and need to be ahead and get sacks , so they arent winging it 43 times a game.
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January 1st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Alex yim racist on Hue? Lol hahahahahahaha….
January 1st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
sam,
funny how many people point to the Raiders’ strength (offense) and bash it. Just odd.
Make this an average D, and we’d be in the playoffs this year.
Fix the D, and we’ll be in the playoffs the next couple of years.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Yo, that was a serious wack loss in Denver for the Lake Show.
Didn’t stop The Beeech Dawg from getting a sweet BJ, smoking tough and getting ready for his 2am DJ gig on the Reggae Party Boat.
Any of you see Gallinari miss that lay up yesterday aka “Brian the Genital’s cousin’s classic move”?
DIII in the HIZZOUS
January 1st, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:47 pm
RaiderSam
excellent question.
The Raiders will bring in veterans next year because they ALREADY HAVE a solid young nucleus of players.
The last two drafts (probably with imput from Hue) have been surprisingly solid, and yielded the Raiders many young talents.
Taiwan, Wiz, Moore, Ford, Veldheer, Chekwa, Van Dyke, Curry, McClain, solid foundation.
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Great. So people should stop panicking, stay the course and get a GM. Make sound off season low cost vet acquisition (preferably playoff level vets) and above all BE HEALTHY ALL SEASON.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Method,
do you find Hue’s ego too big because he says positive things about the players he acquires?
or because he says he wants to fix the team’s problems?
Sounds like things every coach should say.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Hue is a fraud.
Hire a GM and let the GM bring in a veteran Head Coach.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
maybe method wants a Norv Turner “yes sir, no sir” clone? That’s worked out well for Oakland. sigh.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:51 pm
LuvMarv, again, there are only 2 organizations other than us doing things the way you think should be done. Dallas and San Diego. And, SD could be making some changes. Likewise Dallas, if they bring in Cowher, who will certainly have control beyond merely coaching. That would leave no teams, as long as Shannahan’s in Washington. Just the Raiders, if things go your way. You really want the Raiders to be the only team in football with a powerless head coach who does nothing more than cheerlead? How well did that work for us between ‘03 and ‘09?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
yeah RaiderSam
no one in the Raiders front office is panicking. Smart fans aren’t panicking. They appreciate the turnaround in our franchise, specifically the offense and young talent.
Some people freak out over anything, and they come post here unfortunately.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Stop with the race card, people. Criticism of a guy for his mouth or his play calling or his whatever can stand or fall on its merits. Or are we now to forever silence ourselves if we wish to criticize someone of color. Take the race card to some political blog.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
McPain, Houston, Wimbley, etc… Are not the problem. It’s the scheme and the DC. Look what Wade has done with Texans, Cowboys, Chargers, and Oilers.
We need better talent at the coaching staff. We have enough talent on the field to win 2 more games the last few seasons ( and being conservative).
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Fk palmer and the excuses for him! Its bs….your job is to win and all that big talk was for nada…fk it I’m out…gettin mad when players don’t care
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
The 4-3 defense is simply too predictable. You know who’s coming and you put a man on them. Should result in a draw and offense wins on draw situations. Almost all the good power teams are running 3-4 defense. We have the basic personnel to do so but we need a 3-4 DC and a big NT & an LT type OLB. McClain & Curry would be fine as the coverage and blitzing ILB. Wimnley would work as blitzing OLB and we can get a FA or draft (trade our now available 2013 1st round pick) to get someone like Vontaze Burfict to be the crazy OLB Blitzer. Shaughnessy, Moss, Seymour & Bryant would work as DE and Kelly & Houston could spell he NT position. All that would be left would be to find DB’s who could cover and tackle. The 3-4 conversion is more do able than many would think.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Raider OOOO,so glad youre back,period!The Raiders will be back,when? I dont friggin have a CLUE,How did that friggin happen?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Could have had Gaither, he shut down wimbley and jarvis moss
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
I would put money that Cowher, without Dick LeBeau, is no more than an 8-8 coach.
This is an x’s and o’s league, and Cowher simply was a great motivator and leader with the top x’s guy around (LeBeau).
Chances of finding another D-coordinator like that are slim.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
sam,
funny how many people point to the Raiders’ strength (offense) and bash it. Just odd.
Make this an average D, and we’d be in the playoffs this year.
Fix the D, and we’ll be in the playoffs the next couple of years.
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Just think how good we’d be with the Jags type defensive ranking – 6th overall.
look what happened with the Texans once Wade Phillips came on board – of course , they already had personnel that matched the scheme.
lot of fixing to do to make up for 7 years of inept drafts pre-Hue Jackson….
wondering if Rob Ryan would get a look?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
LuvMarv,
Hue Jackson is being called a “big mouth” for doing what every coach in the league does. The question of racism if fair.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
bye method. leave this time for realsies, ok? next time try and speak a few sentences without cussing. Good for your IQ.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
# luvmarvhub Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Well, if Bresnahan was fired, his assistants, which were hand-picked by Al too, have to go if you want to do things right.
This way, the new DC gets to hire his own guys; that’s the way it ought to be.
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Exactly.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
I would put money that Cowher, without Dick LeBeau, is no more than an 8-8 coach.
This is an x’s and o’s league, and Cowher simply was a great motivator and leader with the top x’s guy around (LeBeau).
Chances of finding another D-coordinator like that are slim.
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I agree. A lot of “throw my staff under the bus”, “petty Ego” types out there
Jack Del Rio and Eric Mangini to name two.
maybe they can try for Mike Nolan? – once the Dolphins get in their new head coach? Another might be Mel Tucker (who is interim coach and has had 15 years in the business.)
January 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
1 and 4 down the stretch.
Should have been 0 and 5.
NFL record set for penalties.
This team tuned out Hue a month ago.
Huey is a phoney.
THE CLOWN MUST GO.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Glad to be back, it’s great to chat with you again.
I can’t believe it. Denver lost, but we couldn’t win?!?!
I still can’t believe it. Crazy.
We gave Tebow the division, and we gave it to KC last year.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:58 pm
We may need to switch to a 3-4. But just reading some of your guys comments, I can’t help but to think your want of it is just thinking the grass is greener on the other side. I could see us running a 3-4 with these players and giving up 300 yards on the ground in week 1 next year. Then what will you guys say?
January 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
yeah RaiderSam
no one in the Raiders front office is panicking. Smart fans aren’t panicking. They appreciate the turnaround in our franchise, specifically the offense and young talent.
Some people freak out over anything, and they come post here unfortunately.
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Lot of frustration out there. Niners made their turnaround, and many think the Raiders should’ve made the quantum leap, given San Diego’s decline. the Defensive rankings say it all – Kansas City is 11th, San Diego is 16th, Denver is 18th…Raiders 29th.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
I still say give Taiwan Jones a shot at Slot receiver. He could be our super Wes Welker. He’s a liability at RB because he simply can’t block for pass protection and that’s just not acceptable. Get him the bal in the open across he middle and who knows how dangerous he could really be.
January 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
# RaiderSam Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:49 pm
sam,
funny how many people point to the Raiders’ strength (offense) and bash it. Just odd.
Make this an average D, and we’d be in the playoffs this year.
Fix the D, and we’ll be in the playoffs the next couple of years.
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Just think how good we’d be with the Jags type defensive ranking – 6th overall.
look what happened with the Texans once Wade Phillips came on board – of course , they already had personnel that matched the scheme.
lot of fixing to do to make up for 7 years of inept drafts pre-Hue Jackson….
wondering if Rob Ryan would get a look?
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Yep. Those “alleged” Raider fans are just dumb and are not thinking rationale.
All we needed was an average defense this year or at least a D that can make plays when it needed to, or a DC that can come up with a decent scheme instead of confusing the players on D.
Chuck B and some of the assistants on D= FAIL
January 1st, 2012 at 11:59 pm
“this team tuned out Hue…”
yet scored points for him all season long.
And Hue runs the O.
That’s all he runs. Honestly. No say on D or ST.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Denver loses final 3 games, win’s AFC west with 8-8 record.
2 schools of thought:
1) The Raiders suck THAT bad
2) Denver had some help from high places..and I don’t mean God. I mean as in the league.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Hendu,
They will be back after they improve the coaching staff.
This team is ready to win now, and can compete in the POs with the level of talent on the roster, but they need better coaching.
We broke the penalty record. That and kicking records are the only records that we can attempt to break.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Sullivan
I would think whoever is brought in to run a 3-4 will be given a year or two to develop it. They also will have the blessing of the organization, which will mean we’ll draft 3-4 players, and bring in 3-4 free agents. That didn’t happen with Rob Ryan. It’s also a cheaper system to run.
Will be hard to be worse than 28th-ranked.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:56 pm
1 and 4 down the stretch.
Should have been 0 and 5.
NFL record set for penalties.
This team tuned out Hue a month ago.
Huey is a phoney.
THE CLOWN MUST GO.
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I would agree only if a big time GM would come in with a plan to do this thing right and would review what went down with Jackson, and select his own coach, who would then pick his own staff.
Im talking Big Time, otherwise, it may backfire very badly. I agree that Jackson couldnt get the clockmanagement stuff down, and that was pointed out by Gannon on the broadcast.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 am
Wes Welker’s route running is what makes him what he is not his blazing speed. Has Taiwain Jones ever played WR? I read he was a corner before changing to RB at Eastern Washington.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 am
Most of you guys were “fine” with this defense and the raggedy d-line and front 7. Only a few of you got it. Now that this raggedy defense finally imploded like it deserved you all are screaming for defensive change.
You can’t win if you can’t stop the run. I don’t care how much the offense moves the ball.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 am
During the Broncos 3-game losing streak,
we gave up a 98 yard drive to lose a game,
TWO end-of-game drives to Chiefs (blocked FG on one)
and a 99.5 yard drive.
That sucked.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 am
Word has it that Steve Spagnolo will be canned as HC of the Rams. He’s a defensive coach and I understand that he will have lots of offers as DC. Just saying…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 am
We have enough talent on the roster to be a top 15 defense.
Fire Bresnahan now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 am
506.alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
yeah RaiderSam
no one in the Raiders front office is panicking. Smart fans aren’t panicking. They appreciate the turnaround in our franchise, specifically the offense and young talent.
Some people freak out over anything, and they come post here unfortunately.
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Some fans are sick and tired of waiting. It’s not “panicking” it’s called being pissed off that you had a golden chance to win NOW and your team absolutely blew it.
The ones saying “fire Hue” are panicking a bit.
I say give him full rein to do whatever the hell he wants wiht the team. They hired him to do a job so give him every opportunity to do it…his way…and see what happens. I’m with that, but most of us are sick of being patient especially when the division was defensive stop from getting it done.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 am
yeah Guy,
Taiwan isn’t switching positions. Not like it’s something easy to do. He’ll be a Charlie-Garner type explosive play-maker when he’s healthy and under Hue’s tutelage.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Denver loses final 3 games, win’s AFC west with 8-8 record.
2 schools of thought:
1) The Raiders suck THAT bad
2) Denver had some help from high places..and I don’t mean God. I mean as in the league.
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No. Tebow had a bad ass face mask that the ref completely ignored, and that was a home game.
Tebow has conservative groups and family programs and charatible organizations.
the “raiders suck that bad” in that they are attempting to erase 7 years of bad, overpaid players.
one example – Ricky Brown, a linebacker made 1.5 million
Danny Woodhead, another special teams type, that is an occasional pass catching back made 450,000 and was a key cog in Pats playoff run last year
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
We have enough talent at the from 7 to play much better.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
Alex 7, I don’t think defensive formation is even in the top 5 of our problems right now. I’m sure YOU know what you’re talking about. But a lot of these guys clamoring to switch to a 3-4 are the same ones who think we’d win every week if we just ditched the running game altogether and aired it out deep all day long. Everything sounds good when things are going bad. They just like the idea of it. Let us look lost in a 3-4, they’ll start clamoring for something else. And I mean after two weeks.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 am
good post djohnny
yeah, it’s the weirdos asking to can Hue that really confuse me. Like they don’t see him turning around this offense and being the first coach with the desire to change our old-fashioned undisciplined culture.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 am
oh, definitely sullivan. Not enough patience in fan base. Same guys who would have inserted Pryor into games down the stretch after ANY Palmer pick
And when Pryor peed his pants, they’d start clamoring for Boller.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 am
Front 7*
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
RaiderSam, I can see you appreciate my conspiracies. Here’s another one. Anyone notice that the year the Niners get a new stadium, they’re suddenly one of the best teams in football?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
Djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:04 am
506.alex7 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:52 pm
yeah RaiderSam
no one in the Raiders front office is panicking. Smart fans aren’t panicking. They appreciate the turnaround in our franchise, specifically the offense and young talent.
Some people freak out over anything, and they come post here unfortunately.
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Some fans are sick and tired of waiting. It’s not “panicking” it’s called being pissed off that you had a golden chance to win NOW and your team absolutely blew it.
The ones saying “fire Hue” are panicking a bit.
I say give him full rein to do whatever the hell he wants wiht the team. They hired him to do a job so give him every opportunity to do it…his way…and see what happens. I’m with that, but most of us are sick of being patient especially when the division was defensive stop from getting it done.
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One guy here said hire Spags. Problem solved..only problem is rumors running rampant he’s going to the Eagles.
The fire Hue people have a couple of valid complaints. 1. his clock management 2. his inability to reach the players re; the penalty thing 3. the Carson Palmer trade.
Madden, Trask, Wolf have to have a long talk with Jackson and go over all of this…and even get input from some other observers.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
mostly, I hate how our D-line is seemingly coached to shoot up the field and care not about run gaps.
EVERY game, you see d-linemen shooting up and not even looking to see where the ball-carries is, as if collapsing the pocket a bit is their ONLY mission.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:09 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
mostly, I hate how our D-line is seemingly coached to shoot up the field and care not about run gaps.
EVERY game, you see d-linemen shooting up and not even looking to see where the ball-carries is, as if collapsing the pocket a bit is their ONLY mission.
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its more of a pass rush oriented line….they were getting some sacks, but were shut out today – what a job by Gaither – its like he couldnt pass a physical, but all of a sudden “turned it on” once he got to San Diego.
hmmm?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 am
I was surprised the Cardinals kicker didn’t get flagged for ripping his helmet off DURING his game-winning kick.
Would have been awesome to flag it as a personal foul and re-kicked.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 am
The D-coordinator needs to be disciplinarian on these guys. Hopefully a 4-3, guy because building a 3-4 will take a number of years and by then our Offensive window of opportunity will have closed!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 am
Most of you guys were “fine” with this defense and the raggedy d-line and front 7. Only a few of you got it. Now that this raggedy defense finally imploded like it deserved you all are screaming for defensive change.
You can’t win if you can’t stop the run. I don’t care how much the offense moves the ball
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I think most of us were not fine with this defense since they hired Chuck B as the DC. At least the most who know football.
Those of us who know football at least knew that hire would cost this teams wins and it sure as hell did and it cost them the division.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 am
yeah, I never understood the Gaither non-signing.
SO WHAT IF HE GETS INJURED and can’t play at some point during the season. Was our 53-man roster THAT stacked that we couldn’t fathom taking that risk?
Especially when the flip-side was having a top NFL O-lineman in his prime years.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
RaiderSam, I can see you appreciate my conspiracies. Here’s another one. Anyone notice that the year the Niners get a new stadium, they’re suddenly one of the best teams in football?
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Yeah, that went down after the “shooting” in the parking lot at the stick and the year the Battle of the Bay got banned. That “blackout” on MNF when the transformer blew was a bit strange, too.
But the Niners have different politics behind them and Davis was a maverick. This was largely seen as an outlaw organization, but its really a family. Just a family struck by a lot of tragedy.
Im not hating on the Niners, they suffered, got through it and broke through. The League has its heroes and villains. Its necessary for the entertainment value of this whole thing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
BTW, finally the Niners have a real shot at getting to another Super Bowl. Here’s to them getting there, AND LOSING; Shattering their perfect 5-0 SB record. They sell apparel that brags on that record.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
# raidertalk Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 am
The D-coordinator needs to be disciplinarian on these guys. Hopefully a 4-3, guy because building a 3-4 will take a number of years and by then our Offensive window of opportunity will have closed!
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Agreed.
If they stick with the 4-3, they need to hire Spagnolo or Del Rio…..period!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 am
yeah, I never understood the Gaither non-signing.
SO WHAT IF HE GETS INJURED and can’t play at some point during the season. Was our 53-man roster THAT stacked that we couldn’t fathom taking that risk?
Especially when the flip-side was having a top NFL O-lineman in his prime years.
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Yeah, and Jackson was an-ex Raven coach. That was one he wish he could have back, along with the Sterling Moore and Derek Hagan deals.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 am
yeah DKnight.
Most of us who were against it were all labeled as MR, I believe.
This MR group also was against letting Nnamdi go and not getting anything in return, nor spending any of his saved salary.
This MR group was also very pleased with the Hue hire and the Palmer trade.
Seems MR must have been a smart cat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 am
RaiderSam, sarcasm doesn’t disprove conspiracies. Just so you know.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 am
Wade Phillips successfully turned the Texans from 4-3 to 3-4 in one season. Just need a few pieces to fit, and the rest isn’t rocket science.
You can find 3-4 defensive linemen and LBers more easily in mid and late rounds, than quality 4-3 linemen.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Sam,
Mr. Davis was making the personnel moves on Gaither and Moore.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 am
BTW, finally the Niners have a real shot at getting to another Super Bowl. Here’s to them getting there, AND LOSING; Shattering their perfect 5-0 SB record. They sell apparel that brags on that record.
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Im not hating on the Niners. They’re a good club. I just want my Raiders to do well. My family is split, some of them are on the Niners – its civil war at Thanksgiving at times. It’s to be expected, because the Niners never left the Bay Area, the Raiders did and returned – but a lot of people were turned off by that. But Raiders run the west coast, its a whole subculture down in L.A.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Wait, Sam, were you earnest in saying that the shooting at the stick in August was set up? Ooooh. I like it. I like it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 am
One positive, Denver gets New England and Houston next season, while we get Jax and Miami.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 am
Sam, does one really have to be a full blown niner hating Travis Bickle to find joy in the Niners’ perfect 5-0 Super Bowl record being ruined?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 am
RaiderSam, sarcasm doesn’t disprove conspiracies. Just so you know.
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And knowings half the battle.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
If the “bad” guys are never going to win under Goodell, the Raiders need to change their image immediately!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 am
I worry most about the Chiefs next year. Heck of a defense, Jamaal Charles back, Battle to bang the tough yards, McCluster as the wild card, Bowe and Baldwin out wide.
that all-world safety back next year too.
That’s an 11-win group
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 am
If the Niners went to the Super Bowl and lost, I would seriously feel bad that Al wasn’t here to see it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 am
With Green Bay 15-1 and New Orleans in the NFC, the 49ers odds of getting to the Super Bowl are about 15%.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
Wait, Sam, were you earnest in saying that the shooting at the stick in August was set up? Ooooh. I like it. I like it.
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Nah. it was an event that led to them cancelling it, therefore eliminating the “shared stadium” proposal that THE COMMISSIONER HAD MANDATED AS A DESIRED GOAL. Thats why he visited the Raider game (v . the Pats) earlier this year…to campaign for a similar shared stadium that the Jets-Giants share. It makes sense because all the teams share revenues anyway.
Your attempt at luring me into smack-back mode is futile. I’m about the game, and I can give the Niners their share of props. I like my Raiders, but i’m realistic.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 am
Somebody should have mentioned to Al on his death bed that the Niners have a real chance of going to the SB and losing this year. Bet you he’d still be hanging on.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 am
Yeah, Beach. Go ahead. Doubt the 49ers. That’s worked wonders for prognosticators across the league this year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
If the “bad” guys are never going to win under Goodell, the Raiders need to change their image immediately!
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I think that is increasingly becoming apparent to Madden-Trask-Davis and Jackson. The “outlaw” thing is beginning to hurt them (Anthony Smith murder charge, McClain shooting)…we havent even got to the offseason.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Well, sam, if I can’t lure you into smack-back mode, then forget it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
“If the offense would just score more points, the defense will get better”. Just some of the delusional bs posted by those who neglected the need for REAL playmakers on the defense
Hue should be fired for tebow making playoffs, miami gm, green bay gm, detroit playcalling not taking pts and losing by 1, san diego gm, denver gm, proclaiming win now and mortgaging future for 8-8, and making penalty/discipline situation WORSE!
FIRE HUE
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:21 am
Yeah, Beach. Go ahead. Doubt the 49ers. That’s worked wonders for prognosticators across the league this year.
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I actually hope the Niners beat the Packers…i would hate to have Rodgers haunting the Niners as much as Favre did the Niners back in the 90s.
The Alex Smith countdown to implosion has yet to occur….will it rear its head in the playoffs?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Sam, what’s this stuff with Madden? Is he with the team?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
HIRE FISHER.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:25 am
is there any logical reason why the Colts would keep Jim Caldwell?
How much does he matter when his team goes from playoffs to 2-14 while missing one QB?
Doesn’t that prove that your coaching job is/was meaningless?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 am
Oh, speaking of conspiracies. Colts going 2-14? Really? I could see stumbling to 6-10 w/o Manning. But 2 wins? 2 wins? Can’t believe the press is just silent about it. Although a team going 4-12 immediately after going to the Super Bowl is suspicious, too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 am
Because caldwell can work for/with peyton. Another coach would change the system
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:27 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 am
I worry most about the Chiefs next year. Heck of a defense, Jamaal Charles back, Battle to bang the tough yards, McCluster as the wild card, Bowe and Baldwin out wide.
that all-world safety back next year too.
That’s an 11-win group
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I agree…but most of all they’re just due for some success…Pioli did it the right way. He just missed on Cassell and Haley was “Bill Parcells, Jr.” – you see how they reacted when they beat the Packers, gatorade baths for Crennel. They found their guy. Now they need tab Bill O’Brien as their OC- (the dude that got into the argument with Brady after the end zone pick vs. the Redskins). Chiefs are on the way up. Very important off season for Oakland and Hue Jackson.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
isn’t it COMICAL that people want to hire Fisher?
Fisher’s record, first 5 seasons:
1-5, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, 8-8.
He would have been fired after his first season by these same fans
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 am
Good insight into just how reactionary and irrational some of these guys are, Alex.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
so you hire Caldwell, because he won’t interfere.
That’s an easy 6-figure job right there.
Wonder how he validates his coaching ability.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
Yeah, they want Hue gone after 8-8, want to bring in Fisher when he went 1-5, 7-9. lol. Unreal.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
FIREHUEY.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 am
Sullivan, what odds do you give the 49ers of getting to the Super Bowl, 50%? Their defense was exposed by the Cards and Rams. What do you think the NFC playoff teams will do to them? Field goals don’t win in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 am
“Huey”. Nice play on Huey Newton. Racist Fu@k.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Norv Turner has a better playoff record than Jeff Fisher.
Jeff Fisher does NOT have more winning seasons than losing seasons on his resume.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 am
Sam, what’s this stuff with Madden? Is he with the team?
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advisory capacity…he was at the Detroit game observing. He, and Wolf will advise on the GM pick for Trask/and Mark Davis. Likely to have a long talk with Hue Jackson. I see it as – Trask and Davis yielding the floor to Madden and Wolf (along with Ken Herock). Madden probably wants Andy Reid, Wolf is pushing for Reggie McKenzie, i’ll bet.
The interesting thing is both McKenzie and ex-Niner GM Scot McCloughan have ties to the organization. McCloughan could leave the Seahawks because there is a brewing storm between Pete Carroll and their current GM. Both are tied to the Raiders. McKenzie played for them in the L.A. days in the early 90s, and McCloughan’s dad Kent, was a Raider, and a scouting personnel man.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Stanford Routt sucks a$$. Our entire secondary has given up big plays all season long. How many 99 yard drives in critical moments can this defense give up? Pathetic…. It’s too bad that Hue Jackson waited until the season was lost to grow a sack and call out his stupid and under achieving players. If he would have raised his voice like that six weeks ago maybe his players would have thought he gave a shiz a little more and maybe they would have played a little harder. Poor coaching all year long on both sides of the ball.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Norv Turner has a better playoff record than Jeff Fisher.
Jeff Fisher does NOT have more winning seasons than losing seasons on his resume.
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Norv Turner coming back as OC? with Jeff Fisher as head coach.
how about that one?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 am
Sullivan,
Maybe you’re referring to someone else as a “Davis minion.” I wanted the old gentleman to give up his power over a decade ago, even sooner actually.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:33 am
If the Raiders hire a GM that’s not in Hue’s circle, I’m going to a game next year with the “Free Huey” shirt, the one with Huey Duck.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 am
Jeff Fisher benched Vince Young while Young had the Titans at 5-3.
He inserted Kerry Collins, who went 1-7 down the stretch.
Awesomeness.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 am
The new GM will bring in his own guy.
Hue is as good as gone.
A veteran Head Coach would have had this team at 11-5.
Just Win Baby.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
Speaking of conspiracies. What is this guy smoking?
RaiderSam Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
advisory capacity…he (John Madden) was at the Detroit game observing. He, and Wolf will advise on the GM pick for Trask/and Mark Davis. Likely to have a long talk with Hue Jackson. I see it as – Trask and Davis yielding the floor to Madden and Wolf (along with Ken Herock). Madden probably wants Andy Reid, Wolf is pushing for Reggie McKenzie, i’ll bet.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
564.beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 am
If the “bad” guys are never going to win under Goodell, the Raiders need to change their image immediately!
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Goodell had NOTHING to do with Raiders not being able to stop a 98 and 99 1/2 yard drive to save their season.
It was there. It’s all Raiders.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
Sam, while Madden and Trask were talking to Hue, was the same music playing that was in the Donald Sutherland montage in JFK?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 am
16 games in the books, 9 consecutive non winning seasons, Al Davis has moved on to a better place (presumably). We are still losers, in my opinion. Hopefully, the younger Mark Davis will make smart business decisions and bring the Oakland Raiders back to prominence in September 2012! Go Raiders, and may the 49ers get their a ss es handed to them at home in 2 weeks.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 am
lol, Madden wants Andy Reid because “Boom, he reminds me a little of me when I was younger! Look at that stomach, boom!”
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:38 am
Whatever Ron Wolf says to do…DO IT YESTERDAY!
The guy is a genius and has been enormously successful with everything he’s touched in the game.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
590. Hue’s mistake was that he trusted Al Davis’ final words: “We will win in the end.” Of what century?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
Ron Wolf hearts Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:40 am
all in all, a very entertaining 2011 season.
And the NFL is, afterall, nothing except mindless entertainment.
Thank you Hue for our first meaningful January game since 2002.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 am
djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
Goodell had NOTHING to do with Raiders not being able to stop a 98 and 99 1/2 yard drive to save their season.
………….
Or did he?
http://bit.ly/sdbm4r
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 am
Here are some of my near term predictions:
Hue stays as Head Coach.
Chuck B. is fired.
Mark Davis brings in a GM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 am
HUE CHOKED.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:44 am
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:37 am
Al Davis has moved on to a better place (presumably)
……..
Come on now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 am
Then again, we atheists have a saying. 6 feet in the ground is a “better place”, anymore.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 am
oh come on beach, live a little
those are easy.
I predict we trade a future pick for some 4th rounder this year to snag a NT.
I predict Barksdale starts and plays well next year.
I predict Taiwan has over 1,000 yards from scrimmage next year.
I predict Ford makes the Pro Bowl as a kick returner next year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:46 am
What, Sullivan?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:47 am
Humor me a minute, explain your saying to me?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 am
If Townsend from 95.7 is correct in his tweets today, Hue’s going to have significant input in personnel and staff, regardless of GM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 am
Bible states the dead go to Sheol, a “nothingness” place. Not much happens until the second coming, when the dead and alive are judged.
So despite NOT being an atheist, I agree that Mr. Davis is not conscious right now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 am
Speaking of conspiracies. What is this guy smoking?
RaiderSam Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
advisory capacity…he (John Madden) was at the Detroit game observing. He, and Wolf will advise on the GM pick for Trask/and Mark Davis. Likely to have a long talk with Hue Jackson. I see it as – Trask and Davis yielding the floor to Madden and Wolf (along with Ken Herock). Madden probably wants Andy Reid, Wolf is pushing for Reggie McKenzie, i’ll bet.
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And no takers.
next attempt, please?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Mark Davis has said he hates firing people. Hue was the last coach his dad hired, and it was only a year ago. Plus Hue always praises “coach Davis”, and cries and stuff when talking about him. I think he’s making Mark’s decision an easy one.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 am
my ass is sore. feels like i took a big one up there today. tight assed all day and now, took it right up the rear. sick fckin feeling losing like this. hey, bend over, lets do it again next year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Alex,
I guess I am getting afraid to dream anymore with this team. Honestly, I am standing by my belief that Carson Palmer will win a Super Bowl for us in Feb. 2013, or Feb. 2014. Based on your Taiwan prediction, do you suggest we let Michael Bush go?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:49 am
Those of you who want to fire Hue Jackson, who u gonna replace him with?
None of you have answered the question. Slim pickens out there when it comes to potentially good head coaches that might be available in the off season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
I think Hue was given GM authority a long time ago. Not sure why some fans seem surprised by it. It’s the reason he was allowed to trade for Curry, Palmer, cut Hagan, etc.
Mr. Davis wanted it so, and Hue will have input into next GM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:48 am
Bible states the dead go to Sheol, a “nothingness” place. Not much happens until the second coming, when the dead and alive are judged.
So despite NOT being an atheist, I agree that Mr. Davis is not conscious right now.
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OMG, now its “Faith vs. Reason”
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Reid is going to stay in Philly and they will hire a good DC also.
There were already reports that they want to talk to Spagnolo.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Why didn’t more Raider fans boast of being NON atheists throughout the season? We might be in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 am
always a fun topic RaiderSam
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 am
I think Hue was given GM authority a long time ago. Not sure why some fans seem surprised by it. It’s the reason he was allowed to trade for Curry, Palmer, cut Hagan, etc.
Mr. Davis wanted it so, and Hue will have input into next GM.
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Eric deCosta, you’re up!
anybody but Vinny Cerrato of the Redskins (another place where Hue worked)
Vince Newsome (Ravens director or Pro Personnel) would be another.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:52 am
because, sullivan, we were rooting for Tebow!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 am
being a raider fan sometimes makes you feel like you need a proctologist. i know hue wanted to win out there today, but i bet there are a lot of sore asses.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:53 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 am
always a fun topic RaiderSam
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ah yes, “for where is God if not in the conscience of man?”
yeah, great topic….if you doubt it….Tebow will show you the way. 6 of 22 for 60 yards, and an AFC West Divison winner.
the lord works in mysterious ways
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
I am going to bed. I hope to live long enough to see the Raiders win at least one more Vince Lombardi trophy! May the rest of you see it happen, too!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
# beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 am
Here are some of my near term predictions:
Hue stays as Head Coach.
Chuck B. is fired.
Mark Davis brings in a GM.
^^^^^^^^^
Hope Reggie McKenzie or Eric DeCosta are hired as GM/Personnel man and Spagnolo or Del Rio are hired as the D Coordinators and they sign or draft a stud DT/NT and add a two vet LB’s that will push RoMac and Curry and help them to develop into better players.
Another big physical CB is needed also.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
I found it…hmmm…kinda sad, and psychologoically fascinating how much hate Tebow received for, by all accounts, being a wonderful human being who believes in a creator.
Of all people to diss and hate on. Odd choice.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Hue has proven he does not know how to solve the penalty issue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
good night beach.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
I am going to bed. I hope to live long enough to see the Raiders win at least one more Vince Lombardi trophy! May the rest of you see it happen, too
^^^^^^^^
Ya I feel ya. Only the Raiders can screw up the beginning of the new year. This was predictable. Defense sucks azz!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Hue has proven he does not know how to solve the penalty issue
^^^^^^^^
No Raider coach before Hue has either. What else is new?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Today’s fun fact:
Most criticism of Tebow is actually directed at his lack of skill. It’s typically his defenders that bring up religion!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:55 am
# beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:43 am
Here are some of my near term predictions:
Hue stays as Head Coach.
Chuck B. is fired.
Mark Davis brings in a GM.
^^^^^^^^^
Hope Reggie McKenzie or Eric DeCosta are hired as GM/Personnel man and Spagnolo or Del Rio are hired as the D Coordinators and they sign or draft a stud DT/NT and add a two vet LB’s that will push RoMac and Curry and help them to develop into better players.
Another big physical CB is needed also.
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Hope so, too. That would be great. Add in some Vontaze Burfect , too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Mark Davis, Hue Jackson, and the Raider Nation deserved a better fate to end this season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
I’d say by next year we’re back to going 12-4 and choking late in the playoffs, like in the Gruden years.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
Hue HAS to GO!
Get a REAL NFL Head Coach and not a glorified OC who sold himself to and Elderly GM in poor health…
The only thing that saved him from a 5 game losing streak to end the season is the ST units actually playing up for 1 week…
We’ll be having this same conversation next year if he’s retained…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Hue has proven he does not know how to solve the penalty issue
^^^^^^^^
No Raider coach before Hue has either. What else is new?
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They went to a SB “not solving the penalty issue” so did the Ravens and they won theirs.
Non issue…stop penalties in key situations…thats what need to be solved.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:59 am
99 and 1/2 yards. That is one big ouch right in the keyster. Only a SB victory nest season will ease this pain. Off to take a dump, will report on the details. Gonna be interesting will all the food there was today. Most the people puked it up after the 99 and a halfer.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:59 am
VanHeathen Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
Hue HAS to GO!
……….
So what? Doesn’t he have a bathroom?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 am
635.DKnight007 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Hue has proven he does not know how to solve the penalty issue
^^^^^^^^
No Raider coach before Hue has either. What else is new?
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it’s believed that Al took the teeth from his coaches so they could not punish players for habitual mistakes…once Al was gone, the paper thin depth chart left the HC few options…needless to say, i don’t see this team showing Hue ANY respect…
he needs to go to fix the penalty issue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 am
# VanHeathen Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:58 am
Hue HAS to GO!
Get a REAL NFL Head Coach and not a glorified OC who sold himself to and Elderly GM in poor health…
The only thing that saved him from a 5 game losing streak to end the season is the ST units actually playing up for 1 week…
We’ll be having this same conversation next year if he’s retained…
^^^^^^^^^
That’s nice and all, but who you gonna replace him with?? Anyone better?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:01 am
Not sure how Tebow’s lack of skill is that much worse than, say, Colt McCoy, Rex Grossman, John Beck, Tavaris Jackson, the Colts QB.
why was Tebow so polarizing, if not his faith? Because he’s a heck of a runner? Because he won games in a fun manner?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 am
Only the Raiders can screw up the beginning of the new year. This was predictable. Defense sucks azz!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:02 am
Yeah, that’s it, Alex. Tebow’s a heck of a runner. What position does he play again?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:03 am
Raiders lost to the eventual Super Bowl champions twice. Not sure that qualifies as choking.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:04 am
Alex, I’ll come in here tomorrow morning. I’ll start ripping Tebow, on his skills alone (extreme lack thereof). No religious stuff. I’ll bet you half the responses I get will invoke religion, accuse me of hating him for his religion, etc. So, yeah. That.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
What am I missing on Burfict? I saw him man-handled vs Oregon, often blocked by just one guy. He’s obviously a terrible team-player. Didn’t play up to the pre-season All-American hype.
Why would he be an addition here?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Hey, Van Heathen, if the team shows Hue no respect, then he should cut all of them!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Denver is in the playoffs and we aint. Tebow has to be pumped. He’s a good man off the field and a fierce competitor on the field.
Raiders had their chance but chose to schitt down their leg instead. Cant blame Tebow for that. When SD had a hundred yards to go, I’ll bet not one person knew they wouldn’t make it. And some of you thought the offense was predictable. Defense just sucked badly. They sucked so bad they probably had SF denizens lined up for their turn. Utter disgusting shame.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
Sullivan, but again, why weren’t people ripping those other QBs I mentioned who were in some regards worse than Tebow? It wasn’t even close, the amount of negativity spent on Tebow, while he was at least winning, which is more than can be said for those other QBs, who are equally-lacking in skill.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:04 am
Alex, I’ll come in here tomorrow morning. I’ll start ripping Tebow, on his skills alone (extreme lack thereof).
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Why?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:09 am
hey, look, raidertbone made a nasty sex-related joke. we have the smartest fans.
(slow clap)
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
RaiderTBone, I said why, less than 10 minutes ago.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
What am I missing on Burfict? I saw him man-handled vs Oregon, often blocked by just one guy. He’s obviously a terrible team-player. Didn’t play up to the pre-season All-American hype.
Why would he be an addition here?
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Had a down year – I say he goes back and has a dynamite senior year and gets his stock up. I saw the guy the previous year – the guy’s the truth, man.
My other choice was Audie Cole of NC state or Tank Carder. But Carder is a guy who needs a big NT in front of him.
either that or hit the free agent wire for Jarret Johnson from the Ravens to set the edge, or the always wacky but good ILB Channing Crowder…if we choose to go 3-4
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 am
Alex, does Tebow really get ripped that much? I don’t think he does.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:14 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:08 am
Sullivan, but again, why weren’t people ripping those other QBs I mentioned who were in some regards worse than Tebow? It wasn’t even close, the amount of negativity spent on Tebow, while he was at least winning, which is more than can be said for those other QBs, who are equally-lacking in skill.
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here is the media formula
people rip on tebow + christians defend him
=
ratings for blog posts, etc. for NFL Network, Pro Football Talk, etc.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 am
RaiderTbone Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Tebow has to be pumped. He’s a good man off the field
………..
What they said about Paterno up till a few months ago.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:13 am
Alex, does Tebow really get ripped that much? I don’t think he does.
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Tebow gets ripped by ex-NFL players, analysts, so they can justify how “smart they are”
Tebow proved them wrong = “phenomenom that the media ran with” (Tebowmania)
and Tebow self promotes for charitable causes without having done something in the league…he gets attention and that infuriates a lot of better players (but they dont really complain)
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:16 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:15 am
RaiderTbone Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Tebow has to be pumped. He’s a good man off the field
………..
What they said about Paterno up till a few months ago.
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LOL, so true. “WE ARE .. .PED STATE!”
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 am
Yeah we need a nasty mofo like Channing Crowder. In training camp, dude pees on himself during practice. Just lets it rolls down his leg. Also says when he showers he only wash his face, arm pits, crotch and ass.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:17 am
Since we can’t cut ALL the players, we have to CUT the HC…thanks for getting us a decent QB, but we need a legitimate HC candidate to work with the new GM…
Funny how everyone assumes Hue’s qualified because he was hired as HC… Al was turned down by every LEGIT HC candidate he approached,so Hue won by default, same on Defense, which is why we ended up with Breshnahan AGAIN!
Not really a ringing endorsement…
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 am
probably what Paterno was, up until a few years ago.
RaiderSam,
if a LB has a down year, and he’s a head-case, is he really that good? Is he really Randy-Moss-Hall-of-Fame good to where it’s worth overlooking his red flags?
Not rhetorical, as I haven’t watched him enough.
I just figure if he can’t get off blocks vs Ducks, why would he do it at the next level any better?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 am
I swear to Tebow Jesus…if Spanos in SD fires AJ Smith but keeps Turner? That would be so freakin’ cool. I’d be willing to bet they’d kick ass next year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 am
I picture guys like Lavar Arrington and Aaron Curry who are all-world LB athletes but the mental aspect made them average NFL players.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Do you guys realize Norv Turner has never been a HC without a meddler above him? Washington, Then Oakland, then San Diego. That would be awesome to see him get a shot. What if he’s as good as Belichick? We just never knew it?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
whoever gathers talent in San Diego deserves a life-time contract.
LT, Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Sproles, Michael Turner, Jammer, Floyd, Ryan Matthews, Tolbert, Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Antwan Barnes.
It’s a freakin’ Pro Bowl team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 am
probably what Paterno was, up until a few years ago.
RaiderSam,
if a LB has a down year, and he’s a head-case, is he really that good? Is he really Randy-Moss-Hall-of-Fame good to where it’s worth overlooking his red flags?
Not rhetorical, as I haven’t watched him enough.
I just figure if he can’t get off blocks vs Ducks, why would he do it at the next level any better?
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Because at the next level , he’ll have greater athletes around him and be put into a scheme where he must succeed. To be honest, Steve Corkran was high on Burfect but dogged DHB every chance he got, so that will tell you about analyzing players.
Would you go the veteran route and throw the minimum at say..London Fletcher or Stephen Cooper?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Oooh, Van Heathen, you got me!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:24 am
So Norv needs to finish his career in Dallas to complete the cycle.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:25 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Do you guys realize Norv Turner has never been a HC without a meddler above him? Washington, Then Oakland, then San Diego. That would be awesome to see him get a shot. What if he’s as good as Belichick? We just never knew it?
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Belichick won 3 rings the second time around with the assistance of the greatest 6th round pick QB in history, Tom Brady.
Norval isn’t even in that class.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 am
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
whoever gathers talent in San Diego deserves a life-time contract.
LT, Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Sproles, Michael Turner, Jammer, Floyd, Ryan Matthews, Tolbert, Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Antwan Barnes.
It’s a freakin’ Pro Bowl team.
…….
lol. True. And of course it’s AJ Smith. But I just think Turner got screwed. HC for 3 teams, had no control at any of them.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:26 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
whoever gathers talent in San Diego deserves a life-time contract.
LT, Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Sproles, Michael Turner, Jammer, Floyd, Ryan Matthews, Tolbert, Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Antwan Barnes.
It’s a freakin’ Pro Bowl team.
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and we swept them last year – concussed Sproles, knocked out Marcus McNeil…a lot of other Chargers were tapping out up at the coliseum.
We are a sleeping, lazy giant. Just need a GM to light a fire…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Sam,
I loved the way Gruden built the Raiders with solid veterans across the board. Romo, William Thomas, Eric Allen, Sam Parella, Rod Woodson, Rice, Wheatley…
guys who are considered past their prime, but still out-perform younger never-will-be’s.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Hue playing the ‘pissed’ card after the 16th game is a joke…should have played it after the Miami debacle, but he knew it wouldn’t matter, the players were ‘over him’… now it looks like he’s trying to save his job, which probably should not happen.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 am
whoever gathers talent in San Diego deserves a life-time contract.
LT, Rivers, Vincent Jackson, Sproles, Michael Turner, Jammer, Floyd, Ryan Matthews, Tolbert, Merriman, Shaun Phillips, Antwan Barnes.
It’s a freakin’ Pro Bowl team.
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Big 10-4. But they aint got no Super Bowl. We had good finds by Al Davis too. Much more than San Diego. The Chargers just can’t seem to get over that rump.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:29 am
Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:19 am
I picture guys like Lavar Arrington and Aaron Curry who are all-world LB athletes but the mental aspect made them average NFL players.
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Forgot about LaVar Arrington…what a waste. Hoping Curry bounces back.
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Alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Sam,
I loved the way Gruden built the Raiders with solid veterans across the board. Romo, William Thomas, Eric Allen, Sam Parella, Rod Woodson, Rice, Wheatley…
guys who are considered past their prime, but still out-perform younger never-will-be’s.
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What do you say to a Gruden, encore? Could he finish the job? Well, not if Shaun King have anything to say about it? Think he’ll just stay on MNF.
hoping then next GM could make similar , low cost veterans that add some leadership and clutch play…
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:30 am
VanHeathen Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Hue playing the ‘pissed’ card after the 16th game is a joke…should have played it after the Miami debacle, but he knew it wouldn’t matter, the players were ‘over him’… now it looks like he’s trying to save his job, which probably should not happen.
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Agreed. They probably bailed once they heard the “Coach Davis” smack. Really hoping GM scrutinizes this locker room culture , and purges the “guests” that are here and can get some personnel.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
I think the game’s passed Gruden by. Did you see him on that t.v. show he does, with the QBs? He was livid at the bubble screen. Talking about how you don’t even have to design plays anymore. You just run a bubble screen. He was really mad.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:32 am
VanHeathen Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:27 am
Hue playing the ‘pissed’ card after the 16th game is a joke…should have played it after the Miami debacle, but he knew it wouldn’t matter, the players were ‘over him’… now it looks like he’s trying to save his job, which probably should not happen.
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Excellent take. Wonder if he ever got pissed or was he being the good buddy coach and afraid to rip. The Raiders need a rip your ass coach.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:33 am
“Obviously, we got beat here at home, and it didn’t’ look like a football team that was hungry enough to go win the AFC West title.”
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Amen.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 am
Just read Jerry McDonald’s article. Interesting. All of the commenters there, with their real names and photos via their facebook accounts, are blaming Breshnehan. Yet all of these anonymous commenters here are blaming Hue. Hmmm.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:36 am
You don’t rip your D-coordinator during the season. Pointless, leads to locker-room problems, unprofessional.
Not like you can install new coaches or philosophy in mid-season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 am
HueJax @ press conference, mad at team? Should have mad at self by hiring Carson Palmer! Make up your mistake by getting rid of him. Worse QB ever!! Go back to Cinciny Loser!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 am
Hot Seat Hue? Hue Jackson, Oakland Raiders: I know #SHOCKER an Oakland Raider coach on the hot seat? Yes and no. I think he will return but I wouldn’t be shocked to see him go. He invested A LOT in that Carson Palmer deal and to be honest, it backfired. Now we know the late Al Davis was a HUGE fan of Hue, but the Raiders are looking for a new GM and if he wants full control of the team, meaning his head coach, Hue could be donezo. Not to mention Hue’s major meltdown after today’s FLOP against the Chargers.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:37 am
so jerry is where the smarter fans go? will have to check it out
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:39 am
Hey, why is everyone here blaming Hue, but just a page over on Jerry’s article, everyone is blaming Breshnehan? The commenters to Jerry’s article have their identities and photos. Here it’s anonymous. What’s up? Just who are these anonymous cats who want Hue gone and are protecting Bresh?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:40 am
What a long long day. How am I ever going to shake this gut wrenching feeling. My whole body is buzzin fron the tension today. And for what? Get all wound up just so I can get sick? Fckng football team can kiss my ass.
Mark and Amy need some real hard input from the most knowledgable Raider of all: John Madden. He does the interviewing for the new GM, he makes the final decision on the new DC and all the assts. (keep Hue and a few others). Give Madden an iron fist. One year he’ll have this dump cleaned up. He’ll rid the locker room of the odor and Hue will once again have someone to bounce with.
Now if I could only figure out how to calm down. What a crock. Raiders had this fckn game if they wanted it. SD didn’t want it more than the Raiders, the Raiders just aint very good on Defense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:41 am
Alex, don’t you think it’s kind of suspicious that a bunch of anonymous commenters are blaming Hue Jackson, while fans under their real identity are blaming Breshnehan? Could a few of these guys be Bresh himself?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:42 am
Dr., Dr., Dr. Let it go already.
Hue’s got the Davis blessing, and is our GM. He’s already making plans on who to fire and hire, what players to cut, he’s already making 2012 plans.
Let it go.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:43 am
These are real people, with pictures. A stark difference between these comments and the ones from this blog, wouldn’t you say?
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Bryan Betts · Top Commenter · Dallas, Texas
You just have to Love Chucky Bresh’s defense game plan! Put a linebacker on Antonio Gates. hmmmmm. Put absolutley no pressure on Phillip Rivers. hmmmmmm. Please tell me this is the last game this imbecile coaches the Raiders defense!! But then again, who is our GM? Who is making personnel decisions? Hue Jackson? Amy Trask? Herrera? Mark Davis? I don’t know, do you? Does the Oakland Trib know? We need to hire a GM quickly, get rid of Bresh-na-suck, and Hue Jackson needs to go to Game clock management school. Thanks for another inspiring performance Raiders defense.
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Carlos Antonio German · Columbus, Ohio
Chuck Bresnahan cost Oakland the season. he failed miserably his first time around. No idea what led Davis to believe he could turn it around and couldn’t even put the D in position to win the game. what a joke.
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Dick Goodrick · Top Commenter · Michigan State University
Raider out of the playoffs!!!!!!! What a great way to celebrate a New Year! Raider Nations will be moaning for eight months….how sweet.
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Joe Lopez · Top Commenter · Ysleta ISD at Teacher
Not a Bresnahan fan but I don’t think I ever saw him on the field playing defense. If your going to get rid of anybody get rid of everybody who plays defense on that pathetic team
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Carlos Antonio German · Columbus, Ohio
it’s the coach’s job to put the players in a position to make plays. bresnahan didn’t do that, there’s too much talent on the defensive side of the ball to be as bad as they were.
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Alan Phillips · Top Commenter · El Cajon, California
Wow, what a choke job by the Raiders this season. They had this division and let it get away. Ouch!
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Brian Browning · Springfield, Illinois
If everyone remembers, Bresnahan was hired early on but not for the coordinators position. Al wanted to interview 2 other people for that position but was denied by their teams.
It is the coaches job to get the defense to believe in and to operate the defense. Chuck did not get that done. He should be gone!
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John Peregrin · Top Commenter
Be you a Raider fan (you) or Charger fan (me), ending with an 8-8 record while watching another 8-8 team who has lost their last three game without even scoring more than 3 points today is enough to make me vomit.
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Eddie Simmons · Top Commenter · Humphrey County High School
Hey Raiders.thanks for that effort.I wanted the Chargers to lose so We could finally get rid of Norv Turner.After that win,He might keep his job.
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Sam Jones · Top Commenter · Holy Names University
Your welcome. Thanks for the additional home game down in San Diego. We’ll be back to take it over, again in 2012 like we always do…don’t worry.
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Dominique Wise · CEO at Ceo
Raider nation fans get ready for the best Sum up the Raiders season this week on http://www.realfootballtalk.tv
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:44 am
alright, goodnight all. Been putting off honey-do-list long enough
dishes and bed time.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 am
I’m excited about Hue’s first off-season as GM.
Should be best free agent off-season since Gruden years.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 am
sullivan, what’s the website?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:46 am
There’s not one comment there that blames Hue Jackson, as a matter of fact. These are all facebook accounts, real identities with pics. Yet, if you read this blog’s comments section, you’d think every fan in the Nation wants Hue gone….
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:47 am
Alex, this site.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19656711
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:47 am
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:45 am
sullivan, what’s the website?
http://boards.cannabis.com/attachments/medical-marijuana-news/174382d1200418980-10-000-medical-marijuana-challenge-head-up-ass-2.jpg
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:47 am
MR, when have you ever been right about anything?
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:48 am
I’m outta here too. Been up since 7. What a weekend. What a season. Goodnight, everyone.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 am
Jerry Mcdonald’s recent article, guys. Check it out. Read the comments. Notice the stark difference between the comments there and the comments here, and remember that they’re using real names and faces. Goodnight.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:51 am
Chucky B
gotta go dodo
Chucky B
gotta go poopoo
Chucky B
and the fantastic D
Chucky B
works his voodoo
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:53 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:50 am
Jerry Mcdonald’s recent article, guys. Check it out. Read the comments. Notice the stark difference between the comments there and the comments here, and remember that they’re using real names and faces. Goodnight.
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Will do. But real names? Hardly. Dick Goodrick? Sam Jones? Mike Smith? Got my doubts bout that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 am
Khalif Barnes should go. He’s one of the momentum killers.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:55 am
C O D E B L A C K !
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Carson Palmer was the only reason the Raiders were in this game for as long as they were. The guy hasn’t played great football this season on the whole, but today? He showed up hungry. He did his part.
The sequence at the end of the first half was all on Hue. Bad playcall in that situation, no two ways about it.
One thing is for sure – Bresnahan doesn’t belong in the NFL, and many of the Raiders’ defensive players should be shown the door one way or another in the offseason.
Again, we see complete lack of discipline on the part of Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour. Kamerion Wimbley was nowhere to be found outside of a few situations where he was mysteriously left in coverage on Antonio Gates. Michael Huff, Stanford Routt, Lito Sheppard, Mike Mitchell, and Matt Giordano (who, sadly enough, is the only playmaker of any kind on the defensive side of the ball) give up too many plays and quite simply haven’t earned the roles they have. McClain and Curry’s limitations as players are easily exposed.
The Raiders do not have one single impact player on defense. They have a few solid young players in Branch, Shaughnessy, and Houston (and to a lesser extent, Bryant…. McClain and Curry could be passable in a real defensive scheme), but no one who the opposing offense needs to account for on every play.
Moreover, you can’t expect to win when your defense has no gap discipline whatsoever; consistently over-pursues the ball carrier instead of staying within their lanes; lets blockers easily reach the second level on nearly every play; frequently has linebackers dropping into coverage against WRs; lacks the ability to tackle at every level of the defense. Clearly a new defensive coordinator is going to be a necessity if the Raiders want to compete with elite teams.
The Raiders need to find their GM and find him fast. A lot of work needs to be done. This team DOES have some pieces in place. But the deadweight on the roster and coaching staff will prevent them from being a real, competitive team until a GM takes the reins and rids the Raiders of those elements.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:04 am
The Oakland Raiders concluded their 2011 season with a loss to the San Diego Chargers Sunday in Oakland, eliminating them from participating in the playoffs for the ninth straight year. It was a campaign that started with so much hope, and a wild roller coaster ride of ups and downs finally ended with a disappointing loss at home to a team that had very little to play for. Looking back on the last several months of Raiders football, only one phrase comes to mind: missed opportunities.
There are several reasons why the Raiders failed to qualify for the postseason, and truthfully, they simply didn’t deserve a playoff berth. The consistent inability to put away beaten opponents, which I previously wrote would be their downfall, was just one of the major issues this team had in 2011.
They set records for most penalties by an NFL team in a season and most yards penalized in a season. Undisciplined, sloppy football that was, at times, embarrassing. The blame falls squarely on head coach Hue Jackson’s shoulders, as he failed miserably to instill any semblance of professionalism or discipline in his football team. Jackson’s clock management was also a constant issue throughout the year, so it’s no surprise that his team appeared confused and unprepared at times.
Their defense was porous, particularly in the secondary, where teams were able to complete deep passes in big moments and running backs feasted on their weak-tackling corners and safeties. The defensive line wasn’t much better, and the fact that they failed to record a sack in the biggest game the organization played in 10 years is simply unforgivable. The defensive disaster that was this season’s unit should cost coordinator Chuck Bresnahan his job.
On the offensive side of the ball, the Raiders often stalled in the red zone, something that should be rectified next season when the injury-decimated unit is healthy and quarterback Carson Palmer has time to build chemistry with his receivers. The offense was bailed out often by the cannon-like leg of kicker Sebastian Janikowski, who will be going to his first Pro Bowl this year.
As the Raiders prepare to spend another January watching the NFL’s elite teams fight for the Lombardi trophy, fans can take some comfort in the fact that the team has now recorded back to back .500 seasons, something that last happened in Jon Gruden’s first two seasons in Oakland. The question now is whether Hue Jackson can actually get this team to the next level, as Gruden did.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1006347-oakland-raiders-major-issues-need-to-be-fixed-before-next-season
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:09 am
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012010114/2011/REG17/chargers@raiders#menu=highlights&tab=recap
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:18 am
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The Oakland Raiders hosted the San Diego Chargers in the season finale, needing a win and a Denver Broncos loss to get in the tournament. Denver did its part by losing to the Kansas City Chiefs, but the Raiders wasted an opportunity to get in the playoffs, losing 38-24.
Much was learned about the current state of the Oakland Raiders from this game.
Turn the page to see what.
Stanford Routt Overpaid
Ezra Shaw/Getty Images Stanford Routt is clearly the best defensive back the Raiders have, but $10 million for all the touchdowns he’s given up is too much. Not only the touchdowns, but every time there’s a third-and-long, along with the rest of the secondary, he gives up a big catch.
Sure, he has a top-five burn percentage among corners, but he needs to bring his A-game on third down and in the red zone. Those are the most crucial times on defense because you need to get off the field and not allow points.
If you can’t do those two things, why are you getting paid $10 million a year. I expect a better year from Routt next year, but you can’t have years like this making $10 million.
Routt took a step back from last year.
Lito Sheppard Not It
The Raiders might as well have had DeMarcus Van Dyke out there for what Lito Sheppard was doing out there. He could have at least been getting valuable experience while Sheppard’s experience didn’t help at all.
Every time the Chargers needed something today, they went Sheppard’s way and got it, especially on third down. The man had a good game or two this year but the Raiders need corners that can cover Chargers receivers.
Sheppard isn’t one of those guys.
Should Have Picked Up Gaither
Jared Gaither visited Raider Nation this summer during training camp, but didn’t get a contract offer because he didn’t pass the physical. Then he went to the Chiefs and was put on the PUP list until he healed before getting cut after one false start.
San Diego then picked him up on waivers and the man has played lights out every since. In fives starts, Gaither didn’t allowed a sack and only allowed two quarterback pressures during that stretch.
Kamerion Wimbley, who has four sacks in the Raiders first game against the Chargers, didn’t even get a pressure. Every pass rush move Wimbley made was shut down so easily, it looked like a man against a boy.
The Raiders will get a chance to revisit this over the offseason.
Bresnahan Worse Than I Already Thought
I knew defensive Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan was bad but he showed me today that he is the worst in the NFL. If he gets another job in the league any time soon, I fear I will go into shock, never being the same again.
You’d think he would have learned from the debacle against the Detroit Lions where he had Rolando McClain covering Calvin Johnson. But no, two weeks later, he runs that Tampa two with McClain covering Vincent Jackson.
Did he really expect the result not to be a touchdown?
Offensive Line Nees Overhaul
Without superstar running back Darren McFadden in the lineup, the Raiders offensive line has been exposed. They’ve done a great job of pass blocking but they can’t run the ball very well with this current lineup.
Michael Bush came up just short of 1,000 yards this season while averaging under four yards a carry. That’s below average and Bush clearly isn’t a below average running back, so the problem isn’t him.
Bush had 157 yards against these same Chargers last time they played and this time, they’re starting outside linebacker was ejected. The Chargers were worse but the Raiders were much worse because of who they chose to start on the offensive line.
Second-year left tackle Jared Veldheer and left guard Stefen Wisniewsk were solid but Wisniewski was misplaced. In the first matchup between the two teams, Wisniewski played center and Stephon Heyer played left guard while Satele was injured.
Holes were wide open and the Raiders ran the ball up-and-down the field with ease. Today, Samson Satele was back at center and Bush went from 5.23 yards-per-carry in the first game, to 3.5 in today’s game.
Don’t wonder why.
Satele, Cooper Carlisle, and Khalif Barnes don’t need to be retained.
The Raiders need bullies.
Darrius Heyward-Bey: One Moore Step to Take
Darrius Heyward-Bey removed himself from the bust list by managing to finish a hair short of 1,000 yards. What’s made it impressive to me is he did so despite all of the transition he went through at quarterback.
But he obviously still isn’t the guy that he was supposed to be when drafted in the first round in 2009. He is so close now, needing to take just one more step to be an elite receiver in the NFL.
His first year, he could catch a cold butt-naked in Alaska, but has managed to drastically improve that. Last year, he caught the ball better but hardly ever got open because his route running wasn’t that good, but he immensely improved there.
This year, he began the year as a guy that couldn’t track down a deep ball but he’s improved that by season’s end. He has wowed Raider Nation with some nice plays but now only needs to add consistency to his game.
If he catches that ball thrown to him in the end-zone in the third quarter, it’s a different ball game with the Raiders needing only a field goal at the end. That’s the type of play the Heyward-Bey will use to drive him to work tirelessly toward finishing his development.
My money is on him to be a big-time player next year.
Young Team Not Ready
Thearon W. Henderson/Getty Images This was a huge game for the Raiders and they have such a young team, they just might not have been ready for it yet. The Raiders weren’t too bad with penalties today, but there were several mistakes, including key dropped passes in the game.
Sebastien Janikowki, Shane Lechler, Lito Sheppard, Carson Palmer, and Richard Seymour are the only Raiders I can think of that play in a game of this magnitude. I’m sure all of the youngsters on the team got to feel something they haven’t felt before, making them a bit tight.
I look for the way they react to pressure to chance next year.
Raiders Have Their Franchise Quarterback
It was a roller-coaster year for quarterback Carson Palmer, who came in off the couch at mid-season for the Raiders. Today, he showed that he had a much better grasp of the offense and receivers.
Was then able to put that together with his explosive arm and accuracy to play his best game. On the day, Palmer was 28-43 for 417 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception that clearly wasn’t his fault.
Wide receiver Jacoby Ford slipped on the play and was unable to get to where the ball was thrown. He shot it out with Philip Rivers at his best, coming up a bit short with young receivers that had crucial drops, defense, a horrible defense, and no running game.
I can’t wait to see him next year with McFadden, receivers more seasoned, and a better defense.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1006179-chargers-vs-raiders-8-things-we-learned-from-oaklands-38-26-loss#/articles/1006179-chargers-vs-raiders-8-things-we-learned-from-oaklands-38-26-loss/page/10
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:43 am
Bleacher report?! What a joke. Nice Smeagle. Blandishments like “they didn;t deserve it” mean nothing.
That article points out that the secondary got torached but doesn;t explain we had injuries from the ver first blocking drill of the pre season and never abated. We had 7th rounders, practice squad guys, a down side mid season veteran band aid and guys injured but playing.
This bleacher report crap is as bad as politics. Talks alot says nothing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:44 am
Even when they;re wrong, IBA gives insight and actually talks to people playing and running the show. Shame that real journalism isn;t valued anymore in favor of blogger crap
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:58 am
Raiders Have Their Franchise Quarterback
“It was a roller-coaster year for quarterback Carson Palmer, who came in off the couch at mid-season for the Raiders. Today, he showed that he had a much better grasp of the offense and receivers.
Was then able to put that together with his explosive arm and accuracy to play his best game. On the day, Palmer was 28-43 for 417 yards, two touchdowns, and one interception that clearly wasn’t his fault.
Wide receiver Jacoby Ford slipped on the play and was unable to get to where the ball was thrown.”
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It was FORD’s fault! This is the kind of sloppy writing that pizzez me off about bleacher report because some people actually buy this crap like its real journalism.
I know it was reported Ford slipped, thats simply not true.
Ford’s time away from the game over the whole season showed and he simply ran the wrong pattern and and got turned completely around.
No slip.
Bad esp between Palmer and a WR hes seen maybe what? 2 games ever?
January 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 am
The bottom line is that Cable was 8-8 and swept the division.
Hue is 8-8 and didn’t sweep the division.
We went backwards.
Did Hue imrpove the offense? Yes.
That makes him an offensive coordinator not a head coach.
Really don’t like Jackson publicly dumping on everyone in sight even as he says he accepts the responsibility.
As a coaching technique that’s not going to work.
A lot of Hue’s play calling is not good.
At the end of the first half, with eleven seconds left on the last play of the half, when they are trying to set it up for Sebass, Hue calls that short pass down the middle that ends the half without a score.
Jackson’s made plenty of mistakes but I don’t know that it’s a good idea to fire him yet. He probably should have another year just as Cable should have had another year.
We definitely need to bring in a strong General Manager to replace Al and that person needs to have the power to hire and fire coaches.
And it needs to happen NOW Mark!
January 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 am
That interception was down to Ford not Palmer.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:10 am
a] We will do our best to win = sound psychology!
We will win = pressure!
b]3-4 defence asap
c]quarterbacks coach asap
e]trade Stanford for what you can get
f]watch the tape on Chargers LT
g]Winston Moss…Eliot Wolf…Reggie McKenzie
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:03 am
The Donks handed The Raiders the division…. The Raiders handed it right back … Didn’t want it……The Raider defense was horrible … Not just bad …horrible..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 am
Hue saying all that stuff about taking more control is going to jeopardize the Raiders from interesting top-shelf autonomous GMs with full control. This, and Hue’s current contract that gives him GM powers by proxy of Al’s death (answers only to owner)….is why Hue will be fired, so that the Raiders CAN acquire McKenzie, Wolf, etc, and they can blow up what needs to be done without Hue interfering.
The only way Hue survives is probably if we hire DeCosta and he puts Hue in line.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 3:05 am
The bottom line is that Cable was 8-8 and swept the division.
Hue is 8-8 and didn’t sweep the division.
We went backwards.
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“Maybe 8-8 is good enough for you…but it’s not good enough for me.” —–Al Davis after firing Cable.
Neither Cable or Jackson are that good.
Jackson’s record is worse in the division.
Hire a really good GM and a good HC.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:51 am
Boy not exactly a ringing endorsement for bresnahan from Hue in that press conference. I expect wholesale changes in personnel and coaches on the D in the offseason. Secondary sucks and we play mostly bump and run coverage? No push from the front four and our lb’s can’t cover. It was painful to watch our defense get shredded time and time again. I agree with Hue though, we lack a killer instinct that’s evident from years of losing. It’s Hue’s job to build a winner mentality and I think he can do it. Unfortunately, not this year…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
What a year it has been. I read some of the post and last night right after the end of the season. I am just as excited about the raiders future as I was weeks ago. And the rumor that eliot wolf ron s son and reggie from GB might be coming our way is awesome. Our future as raiderfans is strong with the right decisions coming soon. As for some of the hue comments from some of the bloggers well he deserves the wrath after some of the decisions. I wasnt too happy about the two 1st rounds but I like carson and for less would have been good. The talk of switching to 3-4 isnt a easy thing to do. Lets not forget the redskins switch a good 4-3 defense to 3-4 and its taken them more than three years to puts some of the pieces together. Hue just coach and let the gm be the gm. Hue and Gm huddle about defensive switch if its good idea and lets go. Find away to get some picks and lets get rid of teh weak and un able to tackle or cover. Tough year guys but the future is Ever so exciting. go raiders forever
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 am
It’s going to be preseason next year before I get over this. Need a proven high powered DC next year. Shore up the secondary – get some quality depth, not just scrubs that have no where else to go.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 am
We have a lot of talent on the team, more than most, more than or equal to teams like Ravens/Bengals. The difference comes down to coaching and scheme, accountability and top-down hierarchy structure (delegation).
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:04 am
A new GM will give Hue another year with new coachs … Palmer will be back…
The Defense was built by Al… Bresnahan and the coachs were hired by Al….
Did Hue make mistakes… Yep… But he made them with somebodys else’s hand picked coachs and Players….the offense is close….. The Defense should be blown up and buried….
And the arguments will go on …fire hue… Don’t fire Hue… The Palmer trade was a bust … Palmers the man…the people who ” told us so “will continue to ” tell us so”… The Campbell was better people will still be telling us Campbell was better ….and the people who said Campbell had that ” Deer in the headlight ” look will continue to knock Campbell ….and wish he would stay ….and we”ll all have to say once again” next Year”….
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:05 am
Want to repost with better stated points…
Hue saying all that stuff about taking more control is going to jeopardize the Raiders from interesting top-shelf autonomous GMs with full control. This, and Hue’s current contract that gives him GM powers by proxy of Al’s death (answers only to owner)….is why Hue could be fired, so that the Raiders CAN acquire McKenzie, Wolf, etc, and they can blow up what needs to be done without Hue interfering. A DeCosta signing might give Hue a better chance of surviving.
I expect Hue to be back, but the GM pegging back his level of control. But it won’t surprise if Hue is canned either.
We have a lot of talent on the team, more than most, more than or equal to teams like Ravens/Bengals. The difference comes down to coaching and scheme, accountability and top-down hierarchy structure (delegation).
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:08 am
If hue s gonna get in the way of what raiders have needed for years a gm well he s got to go and i think everyone agree with that but I dont think Hue is gonna not work with either gm wolf and mckenzie. Hue will be alright , give him his three year coaching chance like others
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:15 am
Not sure how legal matters work … But if Hue had a contract saying he only answered to Al and Al’s no longer with us … Then I believe that contract May be null and void…..not sure you can pass a personal contract down to the current ownership…another words… Was Hues contract just a contract with Al….?.. A new GM will sort that out..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 am
I think the Raiders ownership is on this … I think as soon as the playoffs and superbowl are over we’ll start to see what they have in mind….who they hire as GM will clear the air..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 am
We want a take charge guy as GM…. If the GM says Hue should go, I’d be fine with that….but I think Hues with the Raiders at least another year with a diffrent coaching staff….Bresnahans as good as gone…as he should be …the Defense was 100% Al Davis defense… Coaches and players…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 am
Hue saying all that stuff about taking more control is going to jeopardize the Raiders from interesting top-shelf autonomous GMs with full control. This, and Hue’s current contract that gives him GM powers by proxy of Al’s death (answers only to owner)….is why Hue could be fired, so that the Raiders CAN acquire McKenzie, Wolf, etc, and they can blow up what needs to be done without Hue interfering. A DeCosta signing might give Hue a better chance of surviving.
I expect Hue to be back, but the GM pegging back his level of control. But it won’t surprise if Hue is canned either.
We have a lot of talent on the team, more than most, more than or equal to teams like Ravens/Bengals. The difference comes down to coaching and scheme, accountability and top-down hierarchy structure (delegation).
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 am
I personally don’t dislike Hue, but I am in the Fire Hue camp for many reasons that have been mentioned by many posters.
More important than Hue is a top-shelf GM establishing a long-term hierarchy and system. There are many coaches (position, head, coordinators) out there who can be better or worse. Coaches get hired and fired constantly.
For instance…a GM may want Air Coryell power-blocking system on offense, with a 3-4 Phillips defensive system. So he goes and hires positional coaches and co-ordinators who are experienced in these systems, have proven success at the NFL level running those systems, that bring in all the positional coaches that they can work with and understand the nuances of those schemes, and then keeps each group of coaches together for 5+ years so that the annual ins-and-outs of rosters fit in and can hit the ground running with an established system. And the GM hires a head coach that can run that structure with proven good pre-game preparation and game-planning, game-day management acumen, and with a disciplinarian-accountability mindset. HC overseeing everything, delegating offensive play-calling to OC, delegating play-calling to DC, and manages the coaches.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:30 am
To repost with better stated point…
I personally don’t dislike Hue, but….more important than Hue is a top-shelf GM establishing a long-term hierarchy and system. There are many coaches (position, head, coordinators) out there who can be better or worse. Coaches get hired and fired constantly.
For instance…a GM may want Air Coryell power-blocking system on offense, with a 3-4 Phillips defensive system. So he goes and hires positional coaches and co-ordinators who are experienced in these systems, have proven success at the NFL level running those systems, that bring in all the positional coaches that they can work with and understand the nuances of those schemes, and then keeps each group of coaches together for 5+ years so that the annual ins-and-outs of rosters fit in and can hit the ground running with an established system. And the GM hires a head coach that can run that structure with proven good pre-game preparation and game-planning, game-day management acumen, and with a disciplinarian-accountability mindset. HC overseeing everything, delegating offensive play-calling to OC, delegating play-calling to DC, and manages the coaches.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:46 am
GG… Agree… A GM that will reign in Hue.. And the whole organization … The Raiders need to enter this century business wise…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:49 am
It’s not about whether we are in a 3-4 or 4-3, we just need to be more creative and put our players in the best position to succeed.
Lamar Houston shouldn’t be covering Gates on a 3rd down. Wimbley shouldn’t be asked to cover Gates 25 yards down the field. McClain shouldn’t be covering Vincent Jackson in the red zone or Megatron 50 yards down the field. MM34 shouldn’t be playing LB.
The Ravens are considered a 3-4 team, but last year, they actuall had more snaps with 4 D-lineman on the field than with 3 on the field.
But that D is creative as hell, and they don’t ask Ed Reed to play DE or Ray Lewis to cover Mike Wallace down the field.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:49 am
Im excited and I believe they will . It all just ended last night. This is where the fun truly begins for al raiderfans.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 am
The inability to control the penalties, the goofing off on the sidelines, and the giant eggs we laid in November show that this team completely tuned out Hue.
Not sure if you replace the players or the coach in that situation, but I would think it would be some combination of both.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:51 am
Just fire…yep… We saw the same coverages in the Detroit game… Just mind boggling ..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 am
In reality, pretty disappointing rookie years from DVD, Taiwan and Barksdale.
Taiwan proved to be injury-prone and probably just a 3rd down back at best. DVD couldn’t get on the field, even though we got scorched all year in the secondary.
Barksdale moved to G at times, was awful in pass-protection, and was never much of an option to overtake a oft-struggling Barnes.
Wiz and D-Moore look good from the draft, maybe Chekwa and Ausberry can be something.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 am
Guys maybe hue but its year one with AL s defense and even Al s WRs O linemen something I ve posted on here we have jumped all to quickly on the championship run when I didnt believe teh team was championship calber. Trading big picks and giving up the future for a possible run. Ah no, I knew myself watchng this team with the same defensive players not tackling 1st let alone coverage for years. We had needs that werent addressed during the short season and we let talent get away. we still need Center , right tackle, right guard, and defensive corners. But no picks now maybe if were lucky a couple of third rounders finger crossed. We need Wolf and reggie from GB to sort this mess
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 am
We all know the defense was the weak link, not that there doesn’t need to be changes to the offense also, just not near as many.
CP with DMC and Bush(Monster) Need to move Wiz to C and get a couple of more “bullys” on the OL. Defense as far as I’m concerned needs a complete over haul. Secondary first. McClain needs to NOT be covering WR, not many LB’s can do that, I don’t care what his draft pick status was.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 am
Yesterday was like… We’ll the defensive schemes haven’t worked all year…. So …. Let’s do it again…I don’t have a great football mind… Just a fan… But for crying out loud… If it doesn’t work , then stop doing it…
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 am
Fingers Says:
These coaches were Al’s picks…. Not Hues …
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Hue was also an Al pick.
I am going with the notion that anyone brought in by a senile 80 year old man needs to go. There is absolutely zero evidence that Al still had that ability to identify promising new coaches when he hired Hue.
In fact, Al has not handpicked a good rookie head coach in years. Even Gruden is questionable. He won a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s team and knowledge of every play the Raiders would run on offense, then put out bad Tampa Bay teams for the next six years before getting fired. I think his success in Oakland had more to do with Gannon than him. IMO, Shanahan was the last indisputably good head coach he found.
That means it has been 25 years of bad or questionable coaching picked by Al Davis. I don’t think that run of bad decisions suddenly ended in 2011.
Hire a GM. Fire Hue. Clean slate. Get rid of the Al dynasty once and for all.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
RaiderBuck… Yep… The offense is close… Some tweeking here and there ….
But the defense… !… Should be blown up and buried …complete Retool..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 am
McFadden ended the season with more questions than answers.
I would not try to build anything around him organizationally. Anything from him over 100 or so touches next year (he had 142 rookie year, 125 2nd year and 132 this year) is a bonus in my eyes.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
Not sure if you replace the players or the coach in that situation, but I would think it would be some combination of both.
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Agreed. All coaches, many players. Stupidity pervades both groups.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 am
Sure hope they get a DC monster and not some scrub from the bottom dwellers wanting another shot. With Al gone I hope the pool of people to chose from goes through the roof.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:06 am
Yep.. I was including Hue as an Al pick… All them were Al picks… The defense was built by Al .. Top to bottom.. And it’s was horrible .. And it’s been horrible since 2002..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
Our defense was bottom 3…. Fk’n horrible..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 am
Just too pi$$ed off and depressed to talk ’bout it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 am
Like a military structure…
GM = General
HC = Colonel
DC/OC/ST = Majors
The GM evaluates the entire roster and coaching staff, determines who fits in with his vision/system. Hires the coaches and acquires/drafts/releases/trades players accordingly. The HC sits in with him, providing feedback/info/wants, GM makes the determinations.
The HC then has to go and manage that determination. Managing the coaches and roster under him, ensuring each of the three parts are disciplined and up to par, and has those pre-game coaches meetings to establish a gameplan, starters etc.
On game-day the HC oversees it all, the DC, OC, ST running their platoons, play-calling. The HC overseeing it all, making adjustments as the battle on the field ensues.
You have to look at a football department in that way and objectively analyze the 2011 Raiders from a GM standpoint.
Hue has no business tinkering with GM decision-making like he wants to in the press conference. As a HC, and what a HC is responsible for, in 2011 he failed on so many counts.
The DC failed…and certain position coaches here and there under him performed well and others did not.
The “OC” did okay…he wasn’t a full OC tho, he should be retained and delegated the play-calling duties. Certain position coaches on offense did well and some didn’t.
ST Coach was mostly successful.
If you were a GM, you CAN look at Hue’s effort as a HC as an abject failure, enough that it costs him his job. He has not been able to prepare this team each week, to fix the penalties, to solve the defensive and offensive problems, and has made many many terrible game-day play-calls and decisions. A GM COULD upgrade the “HC” role. He could retain Hue, reign him in under the delegation structure, and hope he develops into a better pre-game and game-day manager.
The DC has to go, and a whole new defensive system COULD be brought in. Or a better DC with the current defensive system. A few positional coaching changes can be made, but not all, if we retain the same scheme. If we change to a 3-4, we’ll need to change some of positional coaches (DL, LB).
The OC wasn’t a full OC. He should be installed as such in 2012, as Al Saunders is a gun OC and play-caller with years of proven success there. Don’t think any positional coaches need changing on offense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 am
Que Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 am
What a year it has been. I read some of the post and last night right after the end of the season. I am just as excited about the raiders future as I was weeks ago. And the rumor that eliot wolf ron s son and reggie from GB might be coming our way is awesome.
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Anyone got link to this stuff on Wolf and Reggie?
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:12 am
Yesterday’s game looked exactly like the Dolphins game….our defense was bullied …over and over….couldn’t tackle ….couldn’t defend the pass…
I’ve got some faith in the offense…but the D?.. Blow it up and start over
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Good Morning my Silver & Black brethren!! Sure Im pi$$ed like all others on here today, but with that secondary, we are better off not making the playoffs and realizing what needs changed to be a more serious contender next year…
The biggest thing that sucks is the length of time between today and the start of the pre-season games in August…
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 am
So after this thrashing of our pass D, guess we will be looking at drafting some DB’s again this year.
Hopefully we look at how the guy competes, and not how fast he runs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:19 am
Pa… Yep.., the raiders going to the playoffs would have been a bad joke with our defense…. Just like the Donkeys making the playoffs with that pitiful Offense …bottomline .. The Afc west was weak and pitiful this year…
The Donks even tried to hand us the Afc west and the Raiders said ” no thanks” we don’t want it ..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 am
I’ve always been a big Rod Woodson fan but I couldnt honestly say he improved our DBs … They were ” Horrible..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 am
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.”
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OMFG I just read this. Wow. Let us all hope Jackson’s statement does not become reality.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 am
Speaking of needing DBS, did anyone notice what Sterling Moore did yesterday for the Pats? 2 interceptions plus a TD… Who in the hell is evaluating talent in Oakland?? This person needs to be shown the door along with Chuck B…
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Going to the playoffs would have been great experience for this team, no matter the outcome.
Rarely do teams just come out of nowhere, and win the Super Bowl in their first playoff berth in years.
Not to mention, a home game would have brought in millions of dollars in added revenue, this revenue-poor team could sorely use.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
RaidingTexas … A real GM will put a stop to that….
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 am
True… I was born and Raised in the Oakland area… Richmond… And when the Raiders are doing well and sellingout games it helps our community ..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 am
Davis’ decision on Asomugha = Fail.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 am
The Bills defense was Raiderish yesterday….blowing a 21 point lead …theirs another Defense that should be blown up
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:32 am
How do you lose when your QB does this?
C. Palmer 28/43 417 9.7 2 1 102.6
To have a performance like that go to waste and to expend to high draft picks to have the defense collapse anyways is just flat out frustrating!
And to think the one int is because the WR looked lost on the play!!!
The 99.5 yard drive had to be the worst defensive stand I have ever seen the Raiders do. However, we had a CB off the street FA no one wanted, started a Safety playing in dime off the street FA no one wanted. It just seems that if you had half a pass rush – is this not what we paid TK RS and CW for? and some decent run defense (isnt that what we drafted the thug from Alabama for?) the Raiders should be able to force the team to punt at least once? I mean all teams have to hide weaknesses. It seems like the rest of the defense just sat there and laughed at Sheppard as he got torched. The DC just sat there with no answer. AHHHHHH.
By the way who want to fire Hue, AD gave Hue Chuck B. No one else in the NFL wanted him. The guy was coaching in the UFL or something like that. I mean he could not even get a gig in college. Having him as a DC reminded me of the Bed and Breakfast Guy AD hired as OC in 2007. We need serious professional coaches that can make adjustments!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:34 am
Sorry for my bad grammar on the last post. I just am “pissed off” as well. I hope we get the GM prospect from Green Bay and start to build a bully starting in the front office.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 am
We don’t need to build a “bully”. Bullies are stupid. We need to build a smart team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:38 am
Bresnahan has no answers…. Just kept throwing out the same coverage all year… The coverage that didn’t work…..if it doesn’t work.. Then Don’t do it..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Autumn… No worrys pal… We’re all pissed
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:40 am
The Raiders have 3 maybe 4 defensive starters that would start on good teams. Routt would be someone’s #2 cb. Branch would probably be a starter, and Houston too. That’s about it. I guess Huff and Seymour also.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:41 am
Ok.., I gotta go do some chores and stay busy… Y’all be good .. And Raider on..
See ya later…
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Bresnahan also seemed to ‘take his foot off the pedal’ in the second half of games (Buffalo and Detroit) to allow a first half lead to be blown… What worked in the first half shouldnt be totally abandoned in the second unless the other team makes a huge adjustment and forces you to… WTF????
I said this before, Al took a cheap way out by not getting a quality DC which Hue and the rest of the team paid the price for in the end..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:44 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
By the way who want to fire Hue, AD gave Hue Chuck B. No one else in the NFL wanted him.
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Nobody wanted Hue either. He has been unable to keep a job anywhere else he worked. His two previous stints as an offensive coordinator only lasted one season. Both times, he was let go and had to take demotions as a positions coach on other teams. No other team has wanted to keep him around long. His track record as a coach in the NFL is piss poor.
Again, I get so tired of saying this, but some of you give too much credit to Hue for the improvement in offense last season. Need I keep reminding you that 2010 was the first post-Jamarcus year?
When you dump your cough syrup junkie quarterback, of course your offense greatly improves. Why wouldn’t it? The quarterback is the most important piece of the offense.
Cutting Jamarcus easily explains how the Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8. Add to that the fact that the Raiders got 13 games out of DMac in 2010.
It had nothing to do with Hue’s “offensive genius”. It had everything to do with subtraction of Jamarcus and nearly a full season of McFadden.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:45 am
I would cut Wimbley tomorrow.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:46 am
Let me get this straight. The DC uses McClain to cover Calvin Johnson on a deep route, uses Lamar Houston to cover Antonio Gates, leaves an off the street FA no other team even wanted as a backup on an island trying to cover #1 caliber receivers and Hue is the problem????
I think we have been watching different Raider teams in alternate universes or something. The DC IS THE PROBLEM! Along with some needed talent in FA or draft on the defensive side of the ball. The Offense will improve just by getting healthy and giving the line and CP and the WRs more time together.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:47 am
If McClain is guilty he should be cut. He did far worse than Plaxico for instance.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
Oh yeah, and Murph, as much as I liked him a couple years ago, needs to find a new team… That blown opportunity for a FG at the end of the 2nd quarter was IN-EXCUSABLE!! Hell, bat the f@cking ball down and stop the clock if youre not going to get out of bounds… stupid, stupid, stupid!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 am
@ Silver Surfer
Did anyone see what Sterling Moore did today with the Pats against Ryan Fitzpatrick? I know it’s only one game but he looked more seasoned than anyone on our roster. Did we not see glimpses of his skills in the preseason and could we not have used him in our sorry secondary this year (I guess his 40 time was not up to Raider standards)?
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This was one of the silliest personnel moves this season….first of all Moore should have made the damn 53 man roster-in camp,he was the only CB defending DMoore…he went to the practice squad and then was just released….JUST STUPID STUPID STUPID.
I am not a PATRIOT fan but I will be rooting for Sterling in the playoffs!
Vincent Fuller was released by Detroit-is he healthy? We need to pick him up.Fabian Wash was released by N.O. early in the year-his status?
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Cutting Jamarcus easily explains how the Raiders went from 5-11 to 8-8. Add to that the fact that the Raiders got 13 games out of DMac in 2010.
It had nothing to do with Hue’s “offensive genius”. It had everything to do with subtraction of Jamarcus and nearly a full season of McFadden.
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OK then explain going 8-8 largely without DMC and with that awful defense and losing your QB in mid season. Hue is wanted as an OC. If he got fired, a number of teams would hire him as an OC tommorow. Chuck B., I hear McDonald’s is hiring. To say no one wants Hue after what he did the last two years make you lack any credibility.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:56 am
McClain should be cut for his performance on the field as much as his off-field shenanigans.
It disgusts me every time I see a top 10 overall pick jogging toward the ball carrier, getting himself blocked out of plays, running into the back of his own linemen, etc.
I don’t know what truth there is to it, but someone was on here yesterday saying that McClain’s girlfriend has told people he hates the Raiders. The team needs to find out if this is true.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Regarding #778 Note who picked Moore up. There is a reason the Patriots are good year after year besides Tom Brady.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 am
What a let down, the AFC West was there for the taking. Hue’s right though, you can’t win when you give up 28, 29, and 30 points every game. Why even field a D, just spot them 30 points. Pathetic, let them drive 99 yards and can’t hold them 1 drive! Fire Bresh already!!
As i been saying, Hue being pissed isn’t enough. I like Hue, but he’s too buddy, buddy with these guys. If he can’t intsill discipline, get someone in here that can. Embarrassing breaking the record for penalties and losing at home.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 am
RaidingTexas
I agree about McClain. They said when he came in that he did tape work etc… It is obvious that now his mind is on other things. After playing for CB though I can see how he might be frustrated trying to cover Calvin Johnson for instance but the guy is not professional. How do you go to your GF’s funeral and get into a shooting scenario in the middle of the season! You fly out there go to the funeral turn around and fly right back no detours.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 am
Guys the AFC West is freakin terrible, if the Raiders couldn’t easily defeat every team in this conference, then we have no business in the PO.
What should concern all of us fans, is the fact that we didn’t win this conference with ease! This team sux, the coaches stink, I’m willing to give Hue another year as this was Al’s team, but that’s all.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:09 am
Looking at next Sunday’s AFC game Sh!tsburgh vs. Dung-ver..
Hope both teams get injured so badly that neither can finish the game then BOTH are eliminated from the playoffs.. Cant figure out which team I hate worse… Well, yeah I can… DOWN with the SteAlers!!.. Although Im not rooting for Te-blow in any way, shape or form…
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 am
We don’t need to build a “bully”. Bullies are stupid. We need to build a smart team.
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Armond had a great line at the beginning of the year, when Hue was starting this build a bully nonsense.
He said along the lines, “shouldn’t we building school teachers or something?”
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
I can’t wait to see the Steelers kill Tebow. It will be fun to watch.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 am
Armond had a great line at the beginning of the year, when Hue was starting this build a bully nonsense.
He said along the lines, “shouldn’t we building school teachers or something?”
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lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 am
Ok,I wanted Hue and bres fired after the game.Now,give Hue HIS guy on DC,see what happens?Im not sure,just PISSED OFF,and will stay PISSED OFF till thTey get a GM that will FIRE those who are junk,period.This CRAP went on all year,fans deserved better from coaches and a few lazy fug players
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 am
And after this season COMPLETELY MIRRORED our preseason (bad penalties, terrible pass defense, and Hue botching the coin-toss was some serious foreshadowing) can we please not dismiss things in the preseason again?
Everyone was like, who cares Alex Smith just shredded our defense, it’s the preseason.
Stupid.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 am
Sounds like Hue wants to pick the GM. I’m not sure that’s a good idea.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 am
I don’t know if he gets to pick the GM, but it would be important to have some one he respects and can work with.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:24 am
And now,I get to see my niner friends at work,fugg it,im callin in,hello,this is Chuck,I wont be in today.Boss,who the fugg cares,youre JUNK
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 am
Good point JFB #790… Sure, its just pre-season but it should be used as a tool to measure your team’s capabilties (or shortcomings), not to just help you figure out who will make up the 53-man roster.. Much attention should be paid when its our #1’s against theirs…
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 am
Bengals get the 17th pick in the draft (from Raiders).
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 am
When Hue botched that coin toss in the preseason, I commented on how if Cable did that, everyone would be on the “buffoon” and how dumb he was.
But most in here dismissed, even some laughed it off.
To me, it showed in plain English, that Hue had no understanding of the nuances of his position.
And it showed, all season long.
Preseason matters folks. Not the final score, but you have to pay attention to little things like that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 am
The new GM needs to be in place ASAP to start evaluating talent, cleaning house and getting ready for the combine… With no draft picks in early rounds and Al not being around, this new GM is going to be the pilot of draft day trades… Something that is going to be crucial for Oakland this year..
Any thoughts on FA players to be considered??????
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 am
This defense has underachieved for years to say the least. Time to gut the scheme, coach & majority of players. McClain trying to guard Vincent Jackson down the middle??? Wimbley on Antonio Gates??? Seymour in the Pro Bowl a complete joke. Saw Stanford Routt interview after the game smiling & joking. Clown had 17 penalties this year all by himself. People thought when Al passed things might be better without him ruling with an iron fist. I think not. Its much worse because Hubris has nobody to answer to. The ONLY positive that came out of this season is Mark realize the importance of giving away ticket to make it a “sellout” at home (Even though they stunk at home). Al refused to ever give away a single ticket and never cared about the blackout. Hubris talked all season about “building a bully”. In reality he built a defense that was a doormat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 am
This D needs to be in for a rude awakening next year. Someone who will get in their faces for not shedding blocks, ignoring responsibilities and general soft play. Not a huge Singletary fan and he was obviously a disaster as a HC, but I wouldn’t mind him as DC with his ability to teach fundamentals we’re sorely lacking and chew guys out. Time to cut the fat and correct the bad habits and soft play on that side of the ball.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
JFB,
Huey’s not out there for the coin toss. It was our dumazz players who botched that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 am
Hey JFB, are you in Plunketthead’s college bowl pick ‘em?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 am
JFB,
Huey’s not out there for the coin toss. It was our dumazz players who botched that.
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Not buying that one bit.
Players are the extension of the coaches on the field.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
796,Vegas,good point,so now what?Sad day in Raider History,Hope Mark and Amy wait till the season is over,unless they have the guy now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
Tommy Kelly:
Q: Will you even watch the playoffs?
A: “I ain’t watching no playoffs. I’m watching History Channel and Fox Sports Soccer.”
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 am
Hey JFB, are you in Plunketthead’s college bowl pick ‘em?
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Yup, Vegas Raider.
I think I am doing lousy but haven’t checked in a few days.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 am
JFB,
You are 100 % correct imo. I was saying it too.
EVERYTHING you saw in preseason- the defense that STILL couldn’t stop the run, the lack of depth which manifests when u are getting hammered in the 3rd and 4th quarter of those games and the special teams coverage as well. ALL those were on full display in the preseason.
You’re right. Everybody was saying “relax, it’s preseason”.
I was rightly concerned from the get-go.
I’ll be watching next preseason very closely.
Alot of the “scrubs” u see in the 2nd half of those games end up being the guys that start in the reg. season due to injury etc. U can’t just ignore what u see there.
Nothing changed in reg. season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 am
Any GM candidate that is available this week is not in a front office right now.
I would rather wait until after the Super Bowl, and maybe cherry-pick from a successful front office.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 am
Having the name Mark Alan Davis, but not being the owner of the Raiders sucks. However, if I were the other MAD my first order of biz would be to fire Chucky. I would go after either Del Rio or Winston Moss and let them choose their staff regardless if it meant letting current defensive coaches go. Then I would ask the Tuna to either come on board as GM or get his recommendation. Next I would get rid of some of the absolute dead weight on this team starting with Seymour, Routt (yeah I know he signed a new deal), Huff, Sheppard, McClain (punk), Chaz (body catcher), Housh, Barnes & Boller. I would also like to ask Hubris why he didn’t put Dmac on IR. He ran Bush into the ground because he had no help. Not sure if Al were alive he would allow Hubris to keep his job after so many poor decisions.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
“@HLHBK: @CorkOnTheNFL I am hearing mumerings the entire defensive staff was fired after the game. — No word of substance that happened.
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January 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 am
It’s official, Spags has been fired.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
Chris in NY,
Remeber you were telling us that the Donkeys would be 14 point underdogs in their playoff game against the Steelers or Ravens, and I told you it would be around 6 points?
Opening line is +8
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 am
Rumors are that Bart Scott will be released.
He is past his prime, but I would take him over Wimbley and Curry any day.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:52 am
Albert Bigelow Villapiano Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
“@HLHBK: @CorkOnTheNFL I am hearing mumerings the entire defensive staff was fired after the game. — No word of substance that happened.
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If this is true, awesome
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 am
Interesting story on Ryan Clark of the Steelers.
He has some blood issue thing, that when he goes into elevation it creates problems. Last time he played in Denver in 2009, he had a seizure, and lost his spleen and gall bladder. Next time Steelers went to Denver, he stayed home even though he was 100% healthy.
Sounds like Clark isn’t going to play this weekend either.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 am
Hue will not hire any d coordinator who is a threat to his HC position. No way a jack del rio, spagnuolo, or singletary is a possibility if Hue is making the decision. Hue will want a position coach who looks as the dcordinator spot as a promotion.
i hope amy trask and mark davis is disappointed enough to not let Hue control the gm or dcoordinator hirings.
I recognize there was a short training camp, many injuries, and Hue is a first year coach but we were 7-4 in first place and only had to go 2-3 in our last 5 games to make the playoffs. Hue is a talented offensive mind, but i strongly question his ability when it comes to game management and motivating his players. He is the only coach in interviews I’ve seen that constantly uses the word “I” instead of “we”. My instinct tells me he doesnt handle success well and his ego is a problem. If i’m mark davis, i’d give him 1 more year but make it clear its playoffs or bust. Hue didnt deliver on any of his promises, build a bully, fix the penalties, were gonna win our diviion, best trade in history of nfl.etc..I will give him a pass only because the D was so awful and in reality chuck b was Al’s choice. but no excuses next year..
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 am
There problem is a reason that Hue has changed jobs every couple years, even though he has had some success as a position coach.
I think Hue is Hue’s biggest fan.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Nycraider Says:
Hue will not hire any d coordinator who is a threat to his HC position.
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Hue should not even be the one making a DC decision. That should rest in the hands of a GM.
Speaking of Hue’s ego problem, go check the latest post on PFT right now. LMAO
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 am
NYC–couldn’t agree more
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Is Hue’s next move to say Al Davis mis-spent all that money on Seymour, Henderson, Wimbley, Huff & Routt? Blame Al for drafting McClain?
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It should be.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Let the purging BEGIN!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 am
building a defense should be easier then building an offense except if you overpay a corner like Routt who leads the league in penalties, over pay wimbley who plays well 2 out of 4 games , and overpay the middle of the dline who gets tossed around to much and has no discipline.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:07 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Nycraider Says:
Hue will not hire any d coordinator who is a threat to his HC position.
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Hue should not even be the one making a DC decision. That should rest in the hands of a GM.
Speaking of Hue’s ego problem, go check the latest post on PFT right now. LMAO
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lmao..only hue could coach a team who goes 3-5 at home, piss multiple games away, lose a game on the last day at home that could have gotten us into the playoffs and instead of reflecting on what he could have done better he asks for more power
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
This fkin sucks!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Not sure how many will be drinking the Hubris KoolAid after this season. Guy loves to hear himself talk way too much. He may be a great offensive minded coach, but he has a lot to learn about being head coach. While they could have won yesterday, against Detroit, Denver & Buffalo they could have easily lost to Houston, Minnesota, Chicago & KC because defensive meltdowns, clock mismanagement and stupid decision making. Remember Hubris not kicking the FG against Cleveland at the end? Could have cost them that game too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 am
HueSux on the Bresnahan hire, March 8, 11:
Oakland hired Bresnahan last month as a defensive assistant, but did not immediately specify his duties. Coach Hue Jackson said he had talked to some people outside the organization about the job, but stuck with a coach he had worked with before in Cincinnati.
“The fact that I’ve had the chance to be in defensive meetings with Chuck and watch him lead the defensive staff made it an easy decision to name him our defensive coordinator,” Jackson said in a statement. “I am impressed with his passion, attention to detail and energy. This staff gives us the opportunity to have one of the top defenses in the NFL.”
HueSux was selling Bresnahan and staff to have “one of the top defenses.” Statements like this should be what characterizes this incompetent fool, statements like yesterday’s and throughout the season. HueSux is not head coaching material, he’s a used car salesman, and does not back up what his words, instead he will throw his coaches and players under the bus to save his hide.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:11 am
B, where’d you go? I lost you, 707, and heck..Dirt Lot called me, but I didn’t find him…
Anyways…I was pissed since the KO return…even when we made TDs, I wa sitting while everyone was standing and high fiving everyone!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:13 am
Zopi….great post…Hue’s dumbass had a hand in Bresnahan being the DC but people will excuse him
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Need to wait until the seasons over, after the Superbowl, and get some successful people in the Front Office. Don’t get fired scrubs that can’t do the job.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 am
Brien, get out. You are part of the old regime. The Raiders don’t need fools like you anymore. We need to clean house. Take your Code Black sh*t and get the f*ck out.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Never heard of a head coach who wants his team to be like the freakin Cincinnati Bengals. Most teams try to be like NE or Pitt or GB. Hubris models his team to be like the Bengals. I guess we should look forward to having Dhani Jones as the MLB next season. Maybe he’ll bring in Pacman & Akili Smith too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Could it be that Hue sees the writing on the wall?
Ken Herock and Ron Wolf have been advising Mark Davis of late and they may not be fans of Mr. Jackson.
Time will tell.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Some are complicating this too much i think.
It’s very simple. If this team makes ONE SINGLE 2nd half stop against Buffalo, and is able to stop Det. from their 2 yd. line w/ no to’s left and under 2 mins to go…from scoring a TD. NOT a fg but a dang TD, and is able to make a stop on SD from their own 1/2 yd. line, then we have a legitimate 11-5 team and we are not talking bout changes, we are talking bout how great this team is.
That’s how close we are.
THREE GAMES that a middling/average defense makes a stop on. Even the Rams find a way to make stop somhow in those situations.
First step is Bresnahan being gone YESTERDAY. Then upgrade to just average.
Is that too much to ask?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Hwnrdr…I I left man
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 am
Hue was hired because Al couldn’t get the better experienced head coaches or promising up and coming coaches. Hue is a terrible head coach. He had full ownership of this and put out an unprepared squad that broke the 0n0f0l record for penalties. His team was the leagues worst down the stretch.
Good defense wins games. You all focused on the glitz and glamor of having an “elite” qb….bs. What wins is good defense.
With no real picks, this team is going to be stressed to improve the roster. Best bet is a legit headcoach to drive the penalties down and teach blocking and tackling.
Also, I don’t think carson is worth 12 million. He, along with the rest of this bloated roster needs to renegotiate. Otherwise, re-sign Campbell and save the cash to build the defense
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
hwnrdr me and DMAC were in disbelief…and all the people smiling after the game pissed me off more
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Apparently it is as of right now! Coulda, woulda, shoulda…story of the last 2 years!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:15 am
Could it be that Hue sees the writing on the wall?
Ken Herock and Ron Wolf have been advising Mark Davis of late and they may not be fans of Mr. Jackson.
Time will tell
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Wonder if Mark D. has the key to the closet that houses the overhead projector?…lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
835.Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 am
hwnrdr me and DMAC were in disbelief…and all the people smiling after the game pissed me off more
I feel ya! I did see people pi**ed off leaving though…running over bottles and not giving a F! But the people having a good time after…those guys are bandwagoners!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:22 am
after listening to hue blame chuck b for the d in yesterdays press conference its clear that hue doesnt understand the hc is responsible for both sides of the ball.chuck b needs to go but when your d is as bad as ours the hc needs to get involved. its clear from watching the sidelines that hue doesnt get involved at all with the dfense. when we are on d, he stands 20-25 yards away from chuck b and the dunit or he goes to talk to carson. he distanced himself to use the d as a scapegoat. hue thinks hes fooling everyone , lets hope our new gm has no connection to hue
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
Most of you posters who bought the hype that the raiders have legit d-line own this mess too.
Remember all the excuses u made for this unit, blaming the offense for not scoring more or taking time off the clock.
THE RAIDERS need new DTs and a new DE.
Still in the hole!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:24 am
MR u btch u were scared to meet me cuz I’d murder you! Be a coward over the computer
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:25 am
I know it’s early, but I am excited that not that many changes are needed.
We have the offense to challenge for the big game.
The OL is fine. Palmer has plenty of time to do what he wants. We score plenty even w/o DMAC. We have weapons that border on scary good.
Just upgrade to average on D. A D that can make a stop sometimes.
It’s not a difficult task but they can’t delude themselves into thinking making a few adjustments with the same players is enough.
Just build a D that you have confidence in that can make a stop occasionally in big situations. That’s it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 am
THREE GAMES were outright BLOWN…PISSED AWAY.
AVERAGE D gets us 11-5 THIS YEAR.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
Raiderbuck Says:
Don’t get fired scrubs that can’t do the job.
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Agreed. I would look for a Div I coach, someone who brought a team up from the ashes to respectability. As a Texas Tech fan, I really hate the Baylor Bears. But man I would love to see Art Briles brought into Oakland.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
I hate the 49ers, but there is a huge difference between ours and theirs. The guys on their defense go full speed on every play. Our guys go half speed 75% of the time. I saw Seymour & McClain jogging after Chargers on more than half the plays in the 4th quarter. That’s inexcusable and Hubris needs to make them accountable by cutting them. Hubris says “it’s on me”, but he really is saying its somebody elses fault. The biggest loss this season wasn’t Dmac or Jason or Jacoby (for half the season) it was AL.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
SnB for the longest you and I have roasted the dline…its a joke…..no pass rushing DEs and not DTs that bring it every play….We had 4 DTs starting…you wonder why we can’t pressure qbs? Name last time Raiders had a 10 plus sacks RDE? Lamarr Houston go to UT fast please cuz you suck as a DE
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Analysis on Hue;
What I like about him;
1: inspite of what people say, Hue has the team going in the right direction.
The record over the past 2 seasons is because of Hue, so please stop acting as if Cable had anything to do with the 8 wins last year.
2: He held himself together inspite of dealing with the death of Al Davis, and having to deal with half the team being in the infirmary most of the year, and being able to handle the chaotic atmosphere of Oakland.
3: Not in denial about the changes that needs to be made, and appears to be on board to see these changes made.
4: Not afraid to take chances,,the one thing we can’t accuse HueJax of is being too conservative with the playcalls
What I dislike;
1: Wearing too many hats:
He needs to allow others to be envolved. Why have one of the better OCs in Al Saunders if you’re not going to allow him to call the plays, he’s more than capable.
2: clock management:
Horrible ,,that’s it.
3: Playcalling:
Hue is from South Central (my hometown), but he became HollyWood Hue with the playcalls. Just way too cute way too many times. How many games did we lose this year because Hue got cute on 4th downs instead of taking the 3points on a fg?
4: Over the top at times:
Gota stop selling that snake oil,,we’re not buying it. ie; Carson Palmer was the greatest trade ever made. Stop it! I think it was a good trade but let’s not get carried away.
5: Accountability:
I like the fact that Hue was pissed off after the game, but where was this anger when we blew it at Buffalo? Why wasn’t Chuck B put on notice then? Why allow him to blow game after game? I won’t even discuss Rolando McClain.
All that being said I think Hue should be back,,no need to send him to the horse shed yet, and no need for us to jump off a bridge either. With all that took place this season I think we’re all guilty of having too high of expectations. I think Hue will get rid of the HollyWood act and grow to become one of the better coaches in the NFL. Atleast that’s what I’m hoping.
1: Clock management,,
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Anyways…..probably won’t be any changes in a month because of the playoffs, unless we are getting non playoff type claiber people in here!
Sucks is the NFL decided on playing games on New Year’s Day and the dam team decides to ruin it for me!!! UGGGHHHH! Not watching football til August!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Djohnnyg Says:
AVERAGE D gets us 11-5 THIS YEAR.
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Possibly. But if the offense could have scored more than one field goal in the second half of the Detroit game, then the Raiders are a 9-7 division winner talking about next weekend’s playoff game.
Fact.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
I agree with that Wishbone…Al was the bigest loss of the season! RIP big guy!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
A few typos but I think I got my point accross
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 am
We can look at any one of the two losses which I think came back to bite us in the a**! Buffalo and Detroit!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hue and Palmer sucks…can’t wait til they’re gone…take Housh with ya
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Pretty Rick Says:
The record over the past 2 seasons is because of Hue, so please stop acting as if Cable had anything to do with the 8 wins last year.
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I still say it had more to do with getting rid of a drugged up lazy QB than bringing in Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
853.Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hue and Palmer sucks…can’t wait til they’re gone…take Housh with ya
Any truth to the whole D staff getting the axe last night?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 am
People seems to forget the way Mr. Davis structured the team. HC’s never get their own coaches. The defense was Al’s and the offensive coordinator is the coach. So while he was the HC he did not nececarily have input on the D-Corr. He could be saying now he will make the necessary changes with the powers a real HC normally gets, a la hiring their own coaches on defense. Bottom line the defense was molded and coached by AL and it backfired on us. Not resigning Nmamdi, overpaying for Wimbley, Seymour and overpaying on Routt.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 am
43.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Good thing Soup and Darren McFadden remained active all year.
Meanwhile, Sterling Moore was returning pick 6’s today.
But you know, who needs a promising cover DB when you can have 7 WR’s?
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and guess who was the 1rst guy who called for sterling to be his MUP player? i dont care if he hasnt played much this year. i looked at our dbs and the way he plays the ball. he can tackle and is one those UFA’s that seemed like he could be developed. he didnt allow completions in the preseason. they rarely threw his way even tho he played with the 2nd team at times. he also had a nicely timed blitz. like u said, its the little things u look for in the preseason.i would rather have seen him and dvd play more. lito was just a waste. he plays too damn far off the LOS.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Devaney out at the Rams
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Don’t hire him
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:41 am
And did I just read that someone asked if Brien fell from the stands? SMH at you guys…he sits in my section 5 rows from the field…the only possibility is him jumping onto the field in rage!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Hey guys, McFadden is ready to go for the Steeler game.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 am
hue is a tyrant suffering from a napolean complex….its not gettin better in 2012 with this guy
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:43 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 am
853.Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hue and Palmer sucks…can’t wait til they’re gone…take Housh with ya
Any truth to the whole D staff getting the axe last night?
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I just don’t think Palmer is the problem, did we pay too much for him? Sure, but he’s here now and represents a serious investment. Need to protect it and let T Pryor learn from him.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Hwnrdr…that was dumbass MR aka Alberta…..idiot always says dumb stuff
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Someone said someone actually did fall from the stands last night. I couldn’t find anything on it though. It was a tweet from a player.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Still don’t get why McClain was put in the position of covering WR’s. He got beat in Buff, Det and yesterday. Not only should he NEVER be put in that position he doesn’t give 100% on every play. He is a punk, a bust and should join JaMarcus in Alabama drinking KoolAid and shooting friends. They are basically the same guy who doesn’t belong in the NFL.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
Yeah I seen that from Demarcus Van Dyke…but I know it wasn’t Brien!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:47 am
-Hue needs help as a HC, but there’s no one capable of helping him in the organization.
-Chucky needs to go.
This team has more talent than KC & Denver, but we gave them the division the last 2 years!!!!
8-8 again!!!!
What a joke?!?!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
B@uce,
Yup, no real pass rush and what’s worse is TK and Seymour have no run awareness and take plays off. With houston at the UT, you will get a high motor guy and kelly can kick rocks. Still need a legit NT that all posters here have ignored forever.
As for carson Palmer. I am not paying him 12 million. He’s nothing special and damn sure aint no “elite” qb. If CP don’t rengotiate, they should re-sign campbell. JC was a leader and you will get the same or better win/loss.
Hue has to go. You don’t talk all that shhhhh about “win now” and mortgage the future for 8-8. He owns this season and his BS playcalling cost this team a playoff.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Good morning Nation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
i remember saying our de’s sucked rushing the qb for a few years and i was told about our sack totals. its more than that. we run 2 hot and cold. the pocket doesnt collapse enuff causing the qb to get rid of the ball 2 early. we also miss 2 many sacks.the passing lanes are wide open allowing the qb an easy path to run or throw the ball. u must get after the qb in a hurry. we also dont do well against physical olines but yall keep believin that #2 sack bullsh!t from last year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Lamarr Houston at DE is rubbish.
Him and Lou Murphy took the two biggest steps backwards on the team this year, IMO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
We were 1st or 2nd in sacks last season with the same players.
It’s not talent. It’s the coaching!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Palmer is the fkin problem becuz his trade caused a riff in the locker and all raider nation. Sure Boller ain’t schit but he has been there with the guys. JC was dissed and found out via text Palmer was the new qb…sitting in his hospital bed he gets new not from Hue…chicken schit move…these are humans and you think this sat right with them? Never
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
Did Murph make a catch yesterday? i don’t know, was too pi**ed to even tell or care!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 am
Anyone wanting to fire Hue is delusional or just became a Raiderfan when they starting winning eight games last season. Dont forget the seven years before Hue and how the offense struggled to put 14 points on the board. We have a real offense thanks to Hue. He had no input on the D-Corr, if the defense would have made stops in Detroit, Buffalo and yesterday we would be in.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
If CP don’t rengotiate, they should re-sign campbell. JC was a leader and you will get the same or better win/loss.
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Palmer already re-negotiated, and I believe you aren’t allowed to re-negotiate the same contract twice.
He is here for next year. Can’t cut him and take the cap-hit.
I worry about Palmer’s INT totals and brain-dead plays sometimes, but he was clearly our best player yesterday.
I will give him the offseason and see what he can do next year.
But 2013 is not a given at this stage with Carson, IMO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 am
And Morris just got fired as Bucs coach? Wasn’t he a DB coach before? If its true that the whole D staff got fired…
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
We have enough talent to win the division, but we finish 8-8 the last 2 seasons, and you people want to blame the players or the level of talent on the field.
You want to tell me that KC and Denver have more Talent or better players?!?!??
You people?!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
At this point you cannot get rid of Hubris or Palmer. Best thing to do is hire a proven GM ASAP. Gut the entire defensive coaching staff and get rid of the dead weight (Seymour, Kelly, McClain, Routt, Huff, Sheppard). Concentrate on quality F/A’s & obviously not the draft.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 am
im mad as hell we let gaither go. i was all for getting him also. our medical staff is horrible. gaither was too hurt for us but healthy enuff to sign with the chiefs like a week or 2 later. the dude kicked azz yesterday. we shouldve signed him and then cut him if he couldnt play. dude even said on his tweet at the time he was healthy enuff to play and that he was surprised he didnt get cleared. i wouldve made him our LT and moved veldheer to RT with wiz at C. we could still do that next season so call his azz up.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
I agree with you B, that it wasn’t the acquiring of Palmer that was the issue, but they way Hue handled it.
Hue danced all over Soup’s grave, a guy who organized team stuff during the lockout.
Soup was an average QB, but an all-world dude.
Something Hue would know nothing about.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Armond…stats are for accountants…I hate when ppl use that only
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Best thing to do is hire a proven GM ASAP
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Any “proven” GM that can be hired ASAP is unemployed.
Have to wait until the Super Bowl is over.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
I been reading all the complaints on why this n that. Some are legit, and some aint…but when I sit back and analyze what we went through Hugh did good under the circumstances. If you look at the Bears losing Cutler, Forte, and Knox, and being eliminated by week 14? That could of been us. All that with a top ten defense to boot!!! What other team lost their best player, their most dangerous receivers, starting QB that lead them during the lockout, and had a porous defense…and still made the playoff, or even came close.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
I want that dude from the Packers. What is his name?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Whoah…Bucs just fired Morris and his whole staff! Any word on ours yet?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 am
When you see Houston, Wimbley and McClain covering Gates and Jackson there is a problem. Just one of the absurd microcosms that make up chuck Bs idea of an effective defense.
A D that is responsible for at least 4-5 losses. How much more embarrassing can it be? A 99 yard drive from the Lions. And when we think it can’t be topped, noooooo. Let’s try it from 99.5 yds. Honestly, we all knew what was going to happen. Hue couldn’t do anything during the season, he knew what he was stuck with but firing a DC midway through would have imploded the team. Yeah, hue has done some wacky stuff but this years glaring fault was the defense.
The Raiders have an offense that can play with anyone. The Defense can’t even play with Walnut Creek Community College.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
It’s time to switch to the 3-4 defense.
All the best defensive teams use the 3-4.
The Steelers have used it for 20 years.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
jfb
a few of us were on to hue last year. remember when he came in talkin sh!t to the defense before he even got acclimated to his new team. i thought that was real strange from someoe he hasnt proved himself to his new team. dont even get me started with his leavin points on the field sh1t.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Hue and Chuck B routinely got their pants coached off them from the other sidelines.
We need chess players on the sidelines.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
Hey nothing like drowning out a horrible end to the season, than with some Warriors basketball today right??
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
I blame 5 losses on Chucky:
SD
Lions
Miami
Denver
Bills
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:01 am
Vegas….character and dignity are everything in this world! It don’t show up on stat sheets
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Fire Chucky!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
Armond,
I’ll give you credit for not blindly hoping on the Hue bandwagon.
I’m not 100% he should be fired, but we need a GM from outside the organization, and Hue should at least have to reinterview with that guy for his job.
You can’t make these ridiculous coaching mistakes and just get a free pass, IMO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 am
L Houston is a joke I been saying it all year. I was focused on Seymour and let Houston slide, my bad
R Seymour and Bres should be escorted out of the building together. Two losers who let this team down.
Fix our D and the offense gets 3 or 4 more possessions per game.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 am
I agree with that Wishbone…Al was the bigest loss of the season! RIP big guy!
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I wouldn’t say that. If anything, losing Al will only help this team in the long run.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
I would fire Hue if we could get a proven coach like Fisher, Cowher, or Gruden.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
We really missed Shaugnessy.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
Vegas….character and dignity are everything in this world!
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I agree, those have been the key to my successes in life, lol.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 am
I say bring in the Tuna and let him lay down the law. Give him full control over draft, F/A’s & staff. Let him choose his assistant he will groom to take over in 3 years. Keep the offense in tact excluding Barnes, Housh, Chaz, Murph & Boller.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
Oh shut up bout this fkin offense….we lack a fkin complete oline! Satele Carlisle and Barnes blow….our playcaller runs 3wr sets but suppose to be a power run team? Get outta here. We can’t field a healthy squad on offense…spare me!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
I liked Hue last year, but this season was different. He needs a GM and a new DC.
I also don’t mind changing the entire coaching staff.
8-8 again!!!
Tebow won the division!!!!
Denver!!!!!
Raiders coaching staff!!! You guys suck!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:06 am
IF we bring in new HC, please get one who has at least been a HC somewhere.
I really don’t care if it coach Rigsbee from Butte College, no more of this on the job training.
We need a guy who has managed a clock and a locker room before.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
Nobody mentioned the lack of heart. Nobody played for Al. (ex DHB who is working his as$ off). Half these clowns were drafted by al and forgot about him. Coin flip away from 0-5 end to season Chuck b has to go for sure but so does Half the d. How hard is it to find guys who want to play hard? Like steelers/ravens!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 am
I blame 5 losses on Chucky:
SD
Lions
Miami
Denver
Bills
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And let’s not forget the Bears game. We had to leave early with 3 minutes left to catch our flight and were in victory mode on the bus to the airport. But noooooo, all of the sudden some yells “Shhh!t” they are coming back. Almost blew that one as well.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 am
And also, to trade for a franchise QB like Palmer was a great idea given the circumstance. Its the Raiders though, ish always has a way of not working out for us. If you recall the Saints picking up an injured Drew Brees coming off season ending shoulder surgery, and that worked out great! If the O coordinator calls a play, it still falls on Palmer to throw it out of bounds to stop the clock, not complete an 8 yard pass inbounds with 11 sec left. But regardless of the decisions by Hugh to drastically change mid season, our defense has sucked for 10 years and yall know it. Gimme a new D coordinator, and a healthy best player all season long, and I dont care what divisions we play we’ll make the playoffs…thats what Hue is saying!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
is hue still the coach this morning? Will dmc practice this week hue (he isnt put for the season right hue?)
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 am
Analysis on Chuck Bresnahan;
What can you say about him other than bad things?
Anyone dumb enough to put a slow middle linebacker on a all pro wide reciever who ran a 4.3 jogging in some one elses shoes, shouldve been fired immediately,,to do it a second time should serve time in prison.
Get him the F outa here. The end.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Seymour is done in my opinion…Bresh should have never been brought back. He took over a D squad from Shaw and squandered it…shoot, may as well hire Norv or Callahan back in that case, right?
Houston, you guys may be right…put him in at UT and get eal DEs and DTs and a big NT that can eat people alive! Why did we let Stering Moore go? Hmmm….now he may go on for a Championship!!! Still shaming my head at all of these decisions that were (wasn’t) made! But still, Raiders for Frigen LIFE!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Get rid of MM34 too please.
Watch his effort on the kickoff return for TD.
He completely wimps out from the blocker facing him, and just lets Goodman blow past him as he avoids contact.
Dude is a fraud.
Kimbo Mitchell. All youtube clips and a complete joke otherwise.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Tuna is overrated. I like guy from the packers who is recommended by Ron Wolfe and Madden.
What is his nameً?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:10 am
Who would have thought Al Davis was more powerful than Jesus. Jesus couldn’t get Tebow into the playoffs, but Al’s pathetic defense did.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
I keep hearing switch to 3-4 lmao….front 7 needs a serious overhaul…..shaughnessy fits where in that?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
883.Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 am
Armond…stats are for accountants…I hate when ppl use that only
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wassup youngin!! people dont see the overall picture when it comes to stats. u have to see how the stats are acquired. man i was pissed yesterday. i got to the game on time but still missed the first 5 minutes cuz the damn lines was long. i left after carsons pick. i was so pissed that i was off my game when this lil dark coco sista was tryin to get her flirt on with me. she was a petite but thick thang with a fat badunk a dunk. she kinda half azzed when i threw somethin back at her for jockin my tattoo. maybe my energy wasnt up enuff but fukk her. i was mad as a muthafugga. hue should get fired for fuggin my head up. if our defense was as good as mine on homegirl we wouldve won.FUKK ALL THEM MUTHAFUGGAS!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Brees doesn’t just miraculously become what he becomes. It’s all the system and coaching in place. Sean Payton actually knowing what he’s doing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Tuna is overrated. I like guy from the packers who is recommended by Ron Wolfe and Madden.
What is his nameً?
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Reggie McKenzie, ex- Raider.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Tuna is overrated. I like guy from the packers who is recommended by Ron Wolfe and Madden.
What is his nameً?
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I would be happy with anyone from the Packers. Elliot Wolf or Mckenzie. Their ball boys probably know more about building a winning team than anyone on the Raiders does.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
I’m not blaming a single player on Defense including Stanford Routt.
I blame Chucky!
I would keep everyone under contract on defense, and hire a new DC or a new coaching staff.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Reggie McKenzie and Eliot Wolf from the Packers are the candidates Madden/Wolf are pushing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Tuna took Miami from worst to playoffs his first season. Only coach (I think) to take two different teams to SB. Took the Jets from worst to championship game in two seasons. Overrated??? Really?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
I say hire them both. McKenzie as GM, and Eliot as an assistant.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Reggie McKenzie. Thank you.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:14 am
Was just reading over Palmers Game stats for yesterdays game… Those of you blaming Palmer I’m not sure what your basing that on…..he played pretty damn good ….
Just a contrast … Tebow passed for 50 yrds…. He’s not even as good as JaMarcus Russell in the passing game…… At least the Donks are stuck with him for a while….. After a loss to the Steelers next weekend I’d bet even his Christian pals will be ready to throw Tebow to the lions …
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:15 am
This had to have been the worst defense in Raider history.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 am
I’m allover Reggie McKenzie for GM…. ..do it …
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:16 am
for reals switch to a 3-4 with cover 2 zone….pathetic ideas…they do need to get another good physical corner (routt cant do it), mlb help, a tough rb, an
lg, lt, and a dt that plays run…,
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
Hue is trash….take him and that smug attitude on outta here….he doesn’t know a damn thing about honor and loyalty….not a head coach
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
What do I know about Reggie McKenzie? Not much, but I do know he was recommended by John Madden then Ron Wolfe and that’s enough for me.
2 great football minds who love the Raiders recommended him. That’s enough.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
To take your point further…
Tebow had a D to back him up! Hate the fact that they lost 3 to get in the playoffs, but would we have been any different? A QB that throws for 417 but a D that can’t stop a Girl Scout protest?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:48 am
Chris in NY,
Remeber you were telling us that the Donkeys would be 14 point underdogs in their playoff game against the Steelers or Ravens, and I told you it would be around 6 points?
Opening line is +8
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Guarantee that line goes up. I think Big Ben’s health and Mendenhall being done are big reasons for that line not being in double digits. Regardless, my point was the Donks stink. They proved that the last three weeks, as we did the last 5.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
I say hire them both. McKenzie as GM, and Eliot as an assistant.
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How about:
McKenzie as Team President
E. Wolf as GM
Mayock as Player-Personnel Director
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
and Reggie McKenzie was a Raider.
It’s makes too much sense!!!
Reggie McKenzie for GM!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
Worst Raiders D was in 1997 when we had three white LB’s starting. Offense was actually as good or better than this years. That pathetic defense finished 4-12 I believe. Wasn’t Chuck B the D Coordinator for that team too? Could be wrong. Willie Shaw was the best DCoordinator in recent memory, but Al thought he was getting out of line and let him go.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 am
I’d Agree about our Defense …… Hands down … Horrible ..embarressing …
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
It seems more and more likely that Hue is going to be a casualty when a new GM is hired. Any GM with a plan is going to want to pick his HC.
Forcing Hue on a new GM would lead to unnecessary friction. Sorry Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
9.GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Not a safety FFS. For a safety to be awarded, no part of the ball can break the plane of the goal. Like a TD but going the reverse way.
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This is correct. The only thing I questioned is he carried the ball into the end zone and then could have been ruled down in the end zone by where his knees hit the ground. Not like he cought the ball in the end zone and was trying to bring it out.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
What do I know about Reggie McKenzie? Not much, but I do know he was recommended by John Madden then Ron Wolfe and that’s enough for me.
2 great football minds who love the Raiders recommended him. That’s enough.
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He’s a personnel exec that has been responsible for building the Packers. Check him out,
http://www.packers.com/team/staff/reggie-mckenzie/1e5734a6-56db-4fb0-a20e-8a8cc786e1b5
Also has Raider blood. Mark needs to be calling him ASAP.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:20 am
Also, DHB and Bush just missing the Century mark…wasn’t DHB phased out on a couple of games? You think he’s a bit upset about NOT makng a 1,000 yards this season?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:21 am
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
It seems more and more likely that Hue is going to be a casualty when a new GM is hired. Any GM with a plan is going to want to pick his HC.
Forcing Hue on a new GM would lead to unnecessary friction. Sorry Hue.
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No, the new GM will inherit Hue, and he’ll get at least one season or two seasons to prove his HC qualifications. If there’s no improvement thereafter then sure, the GM would bring in his own guy. But not right away.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 am
He was a great HC, but I think he is overrated as a GM IMO.
What took that team to the POs was a trick play and good defense.
Look at Tebow. He won 6 games and took his team to the POs, so should we try to hire Elway?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
Raheem Morris just became available for DC.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
The Afc Worst…….
I honestly thought the Defense would show up yesterday…. Just based on our last game aginst the Dolts …Wrong…
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Get rid of MM34 too please.
Watch his effort on the kickoff return for TD.
He completely wimps out from the blocker facing him, and just lets Goodman blow past him as he avoids contact.
Dude is a fraud.
Kimbo Mitchell. All youtube clips and a complete joke otherwise
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Just fire, I thought it was just me!!! I saw that BS too man! MM34 has been suspect all year!! All the kickoffs ran back for big yards was right at him. Dude got his 2nd round money, and havent worked hard since. Now we need another safety?? Seems like we still cleaning house from the bad Al Davis…Bresnahan, big contracts, etc…
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:24 am
hue is a jcat….I want that mthfka gone! Give Bill Cowher what he wants now
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 am
If Raiders hire a gm and they fire Hue, I envision a lawsuit coming over his contract. Doesn’t his contract say he only has to answer to Al Davis or some stupid sh*t like that?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
I’ll leave it up to the GM, but I just have a feeling we’re going to make a clean break and start anew.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:26 am
hue should have to be evaluated by the new gm. all of his tough talk bit him in the azz. u have to question bringing in his guys. palmer gets no pasS from me. his ints have been poor throws off of bad decisions. jc would get killed in here for those same throws and so should the fake CP3. maybe we should call palmer “california lotto” with all the pick6’s he throws. pick6 better be ready for next season cuz he wont last long with this fanbase.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am
I can’t believe Bayless is still all about Tebow. Teams have figured him out. He threw so many horrible passes yesterday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 am
Next year KC will be MUCH better as will san diego. Denver’s defense is becoming a very good group. Hue Jackson had the better players and couldn’t get this team motivated to beat a bunch of pedestrian teams. Lots of blowouts and dud performances like cable.
A real deal coach schooled in preperation, leadership and discipline is essential to compete next year against a much tougher schedule than the last two years.
Hue aint the guy. You got coaches leading teams with rook QBs and teams that finished worse than the raiders a year ago with no offseason.
Hue had his audition with full power to boot. He blew it. Get this media personality OUT of here.
Bengals are laughing hysterically at what Hue for what he did for them! Rank Joke this shhhhh is!
FIRE HUE!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:17 am
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 am
I say hire them both. McKenzie as GM, and Eliot as an assistant.
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How about:
McKenzie as Team President
E. Wolf as GM
Mayock as Player-Personnel Director
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Co-signed.
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DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
9.GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Not a safety FFS. For a safety to be awarded, no part of the ball can break the plane of the goal. Like a TD but going the reverse way.
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This is correct. The only thing I questioned is he carried the ball into the end zone and then could have been ruled down in the end zone by where his knees hit the ground. Not like he cought the ball in the end zone and was trying to bring it out.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to bark at you about it. Just in the previous thread many people were still going on about it being a safety.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Our offense and Hue were not amazing, but we have to consider 2 things:
1- we lost our starting QB with a season ending injury.
2- we lost a lot players this season due to injury.
No excuses, and the best example is the Texans. They lost 2 starting QBs, and they are still in the POs due to a good running attack & good Defense. That defense used to be sorry before Wade, and that’s another reason why Chucky should be fired.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
I think Hue should be fired just from yesterday’s game and his statements afterwards. They may have been true, but a head coach doesn’t throw the team under the buss like that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
*bus
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 am
Not sure of the exact wording on Hues contract…. But the guy he contracted with has passed… Null and void?… Not sure if a contract like that can be passed on… Big question for sure …
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Jeff Fisher could fix the Raider’s penalty and defensive problems. That enough would be worth the hire.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
Albert Bigelow Villapiano Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
I think Hue should be fired just from yesterday’s game and his statements afterwards. They may have been true, but a head coach doesn’t throw the team under the buss like that.
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Hue’s an emotional guy. He says emotional things. And he’s right. The defense was terrible. Why sugar-coat it?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Brees doesn’t just miraculously become what he becomes. It’s all the system and coaching in place. Sean Payton actually knowing what he’s doing.
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Agreed, but it still worked out great. It took them time to become elite at what they do though. But I agree about Payton, Al tried his best to pull him from the cowboys only to get sabotaged by people in his ear.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Only Bill Cowher can change this…that’s a guy who is a winner and understands the smaller things
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
contract is valid -r u kidding-you havent done many contracts
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
It seems more and more likely that Hue is going to be a casualty when a new GM is hired. Any GM with a plan is going to want to pick his HC.
Forcing Hue on a new GM would lead to unnecessary friction. Sorry Hue.
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Yep, and i called it first on another forum. There is no way that Hue and his ego and his current contractual power and want for more power is going to co-exist with a top-shelf GM who commands full control. If Hue stays as HC, it would mean hiring a rabbit-eared GM, bandaiding the problem. And all of us who know the acumen of Madden and Wolf, they will not let that happen, they understand what kind of power structure is needed.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Fisher doesn’t wanna have to answer to Hubris. Nice try.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
What is over/under on breshnahan firing. Please tell me today
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
Thx Morilla.
Hwnrdr,
I never understood that move. Why did he do that to DHB, our most productive WR at that point.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:32 am
al hired chuck and thats the problem
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
LA_Raydah Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 am
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 am
Brees doesn’t just miraculously become what he becomes. It’s all the system and coaching in place. Sean Payton actually knowing what he’s doing.
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Agreed, but it still worked out great. It took them time to become elite at what they do though. But I agree about Payton, Al tried his best to pull him from the cowboys only to get sabotaged by people in his ear.
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Payton backed out at the last minute because he justifiably didn’t want Al micromanaging him. As much as we all loved Al (RIP), his management style the last two decades of his life really hurt the team. Sean Payton is one example.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
100% new d coordinator
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:33 am
housh for hagan didnt do us any good. i think hue cut hagan to make a point about this being his team and not al’s. he downplayed hagan when questioned about his contributions. as soon as he got the chance he cut him for nothing.yeah karma bit us in the azz real good. i remember lefty12 saying last season he thought that hue was a snake.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
I may be in the minority but I’m still behind Palmer …the Hue question I’ll leave to the GM .. Whoever it is…..I’d suspect Hue will at least get another year…. His argument will be that all the Coachs were Al Davis picks and the defense and players were Al Davis picks… Valid argument… Maybe .. Maybe not… But that’s the argument Hue will make…
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 am
just like phillips did 4 texans – will go 3-4
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Our offense and Hue were not amazing, but we have to consider 2 things:
1- we lost our starting QB with a season ending injury.
2- we lost a lot players this season due to injury.
No excuses, and the best example is the Texans. They lost 2 starting QBs, and they are still in the POs due to a good running attack & good Defense. That defense used to be sorry before Wade, and that’s another reason why Chucky should be fired.
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True, but for them to accomplish that you need a top defense. Houston ran the ball, and the defense kept them in the games they played…Wade Phillips my man!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Albert Bigelow Villapiano Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
I think Hue should be fired just from yesterday’s game and his statements afterwards. They may have been true, but a head coach doesn’t throw the team under the buss like that.
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Wrong!!! When you give up two 99 yard drives with the playoffs on the line, the team deserves to get thrown under the bus. They had no heart!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
Albert Bigelow Villapiano Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:28 am
I think Hue should be fired just from yesterday’s game and his statements afterwards. They may have been true, but a head coach doesn’t throw the team under the buss like that.
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Tomlin, Parcells, Ditka, Coughlin, Bellichick, Holmgren, etc. the list goes on. I’ve been waiting for Hue to call out this team all year. Need a HC that has a steel sack and isn’t afraid to call out poor performances. You can’t coddle professional grown men. Everyone else sees what’s going on, it just makes you look like a buffoon when you sit there and take it and state how it’s your responsibility.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 am
Morilla,
We drafted him too in 1985 ( I didn’t know that). He has done so much for GB, and he can do more for us as a GM IMO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:37 am
Cowher is only guy that can brings this franchise back……15 years in pitt and made them elite and left them in good standing as proof of them today!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:39 am
demarcus cousins demands a trade from the kings huh? well which one of u DUBS fans want him?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hire Reggie McKenzie for GM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
Hue throw yourself under the bus…hope u hurt
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 am
Hire Reggie McKenzie and let him do what he wants.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:45 am
Cousins is crazy Armond…that ngga can’t come here at all
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:19 am
9.GG Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Not a safety FFS. For a safety to be awarded, no part of the ball can break the plane of the goal. Like a TD but going the reverse way.
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This is correct. The only thing I questioned is he carried the ball into the end zone and then could have been ruled down in the end zone by where his knees hit the ground. Not like he cought the ball in the end zone and was trying to bring it out.
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Sorry, I didn’t mean to bark at you about it. Just in the previous thread many people were still going on about it being a safety.
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No wasnt me you were responding to. Just putting down my thoughts. He did get the ball out. But for a TD if his knees hit before the ball breaks the line it is not a TD. Seems they never looked at that coming out of the endzone. I just thought he could have been ruled down before the ball broke the line.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
Cowher had dick lebau who is a genius and the rooney family. Hue deserves one more year with a real Dc. I am a Palmer fan now. (was not before). But how do you throw that pass at half time. A jano 55 yard boomer would have lifted team crowd. Instead they look lik baboons again with clock/game mgmt. Why???????????
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
McKenzie hire Cowher
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
If we get a new GM who knows what he is doing, I am perfectly fine with him picking a new coach.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
It looks like Morris’ entire TB staff was fired as well.
This means that, if Waufle moves on, Keith Millard would be available to return…
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:48 am
For one, Jackson said, he intends to take on an even heavier hand in how the team is run. He is hell-bent upon making sure he doesn’t feel again the way he feels right now.
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.
“Defensively, offensively and special teams. I aint feeling like this no more. This is a joke. To have a chance at home to beat a football team that is reeling after being beaten by Detroit, is one of your rivals, and come in and beat us like that … yeah, I’m going to take a hand in everything that goes on here.”
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Mark Davis better get this guy under control and I mean right fking now. A 1-4 finish with the lone win damn ugly does not give this guy a right to be involved in anything further.
Hire a GM and let him decide if a HC that goes 1-4 to end a seaon is worthy of even staying around.
Time to clean up Al’s garbage, not pile on more of it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Carson Palmer was the only reason the Raiders were in this game for as long as they were. The guy hasn’t played great football on the whole this season, but today? He showed up hungry. He did his part. That’s more than I can say for many other Raider players yesterday.
The sequence at the end of the first half was all on Hue. Terrible playcall in that situation, no two ways about it.
One thing is for sure – Bresnahan doesn’t belong in the NFL, and many of the Raiders’ defensive players should be shown the door one way or another in the offseason.
Again, we see complete lack of discipline on the part of Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour. Kamerion Wimbley was nowhere to be found outside of a few situations where he was mysteriously left in coverage on Antonio Gates. Michael Huff, Stanford Routt, Lito Sheppard, Mike Mitchell, and Matt Giordano (who, sadly enough, is the only playmaker of any kind on the defensive side of the ball) give up too many plays and quite simply haven’t earned the roles they have. McClain and Curry’s limitations as players are easily exposed.
The Raiders do not have one single impact player on defense. They have a few solid young players in Branch, Shaughnessy, and Houston (and to a lesser extent, Bryant…. McClain and Curry could be passable in a real defensive scheme), but no one who the opposing offense needs to account for on every play.
Moreover, you can’t expect to win when your defense has no gap discipline whatsoever; consistently over-pursues the ball carrier instead of staying within their lanes; lets blockers easily reach the second level on nearly every play; frequently has linebackers dropping into coverage against WRs; lacks the ability to tackle at every level of the defense. Clearly a new defensive coordinator is going to be a necessity if the Raiders want to compete with elite teams.
The Raiders need to find their GM and find him fast. A lot of work needs to be done. This team DOES have some pieces in place. But the deadweight on the roster and coaching staff will prevent them from being a real, competitive team until a GM takes the reins and rids the Raiders of those elements.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
Cowher had a few different DCs. But had success still! Wonder why? Mthfka had schit on point!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 am
B,
LMAO @ 984.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:54 am
The NFL coaching carousel begins anew.
Coaches coming and going, Spagnolo, Morris, Haley, McDaniels, had excellent early success, all these head coaches did good jobs as coordinators, but couldn’t make it in the long run as head coaches, at least so far. Now they’re all looking for work.
Norv Turner has a great resume as OC, but even with the success he has had in SD, his days are numbered. Norv is a great OC, but mediocre head coach. Rivers is pleading Spanos not to fire Norv.
In all sense, HueSux is an up and coming OC, he somewhat showed that last season and part of this one, but as head coach he’s a disaster, even his offensive play calling, attention to detail, and preparation was suspect this season and suffered because of his head coaching responsibilities. There is a reason why Janiko is in the pro bowl this year, kicking and making 50+ yards.
Was HueSux playing for field goals a good thing? How about if Janiko’s 4 FGs against the doltz turned into touchdowns? Let’s do the math.
What was the Raiders red zone efficiency this season?
So what to do? Obviously, the writing on the wall was made clear by HueSux, he wants more power, no, he will have more control over the Raiders organization.
In yesterday’s presser, he didn’t say he wanted more power, he said he will have more power. Potential GMs beware, you might to come and work for the Raiders, but I’ll have the decision-making powers.
So, what’s in line then? With yesterday’s disclosure of power and control,
was HueSux making himself available for the player-personnel director/GM position?
Did inheriting all the power give him a sense of being Al Davis-like? The all-encompassing mastermind. Really?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
For head coach..Bill Cowher….
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Going to the playoffs would have been great experience for this team, no matter the outcome.
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Teams can grow up in a hurry during the playoffs. And players you never thought would emerge can emerge and become superstars overnight come playoff time. It’s all about confidence. Just getting there is a huge step that could have greatly benefited this franchise. Ask last years Green Bay team. Almost everyone expected them to show up to #1 seed Atl and get their asses whipped.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 am
Make no mistake, if this team somehow managed to make their way to the playoffs they’d be immediately curbstomped by the Steelers. They’re just not that good yet.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 am
Well guys, this has been an interesting year, and I thought that it would be fun inside the coliseum based on last year, but we totally flipped things around based on road/home victories this year. Last year, 5-3 home, 3-5 road…this year, 3-5 home, 5-3 road! Why?
Anyways, it was great meeting Brien, Norco Bob, Thec07, 707Riaders, DMAC, Ravenaider, 8RaiderReign8, PlunketForHOF, and others this year! Dirt Lot I have met a couple of years ago, but was good to see him more often this year…and sorry about yesterday, not sure what happened there…
So with that…lets hope we can hire a competent GM who will make some noise and get us back where we righfully belong! If that means cleaning house, then be it…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
This means that, if Waufle moves on, Keith Millard would be available to return…
NOOOOOOO!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Pretty Rick Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Analysis on Hue;
What I like about him;
1: inspite of what people say, Hue has the team going in the right direction.
The record over the past 2 seasons is because of Hue, so please stop acting as if Cable had anything to do with the 8 wins last year.
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“Has the team going in the right direction?” Let me try to say that again, Has the team going in the right direction? We were 1-4 down the stretch when it mattered. We were a coin flip away from 0-5. That does not seem like the right direction to me.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 am
For one, Jackson said, he intends to take on an even heavier hand in how the team is run. He is hell-bent upon making sure he doesn’t feel again the way he feels right now.
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.
“Defensively, offensively and special teams. I aint feeling like this no more. This is a joke. To have a chance at home to beat a football team that is reeling after being beaten by Detroit, is one of your rivals, and come in and beat us like that … yeah, I’m going to take a hand in everything that goes on here.”
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When was this guy given the keys to the organization? He’s talking like he’s president, gm and director of player personnel. Someone better remind him quick that he only has 1 year of experience as a HC (with a .500 record) and not much more. Hardly the person to be wearing upper management hats!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Front-office change
Oakland will be restructuring its front office and Reggie McKenzie and Elliot Wolf from the Packers could both be heading there (league sources say Eric DeCosta of the Ravens, Tom Gamble of the 49ers and Les Snead of the Falcons are also on the Raiders’ wish list).
The Raiders could adjust their defensive staff after serious issues in coverage down the stretch.
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825a291b/article/expect-fisher-on-sidelines-cowher-gruden-likely-staying-put?module=HP11_hot_topics
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
I wouldn’t put too much stock in anything Hue said yesterday.
The sooner the Raiders can find their GM, the better.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Give Cowher what he wants dammit
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Method, you realize how rare it is for a Superbowl-winning coach to come to another organization and win another Superbowl?
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/don_banks/12/10/coaches/index.html
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Lane Kiffin is a million miles ahead of Hue Jackson in terms of being HC material. Had to say it. Lane took a young team with no bowl game to play for, and had them one play from beating Stanford, and a top 5 finish. Hue couldnt even motivate his players when a playoff appearance was on the line. Hue has made bone headed mistakes ALL season. Mistakes that NO ONE ON THIS BLOG WOULD EVEN MAKE, and we arent even getting paid for it. For all I know, the “good” schemes and playcalls on O were due to our genius OC, Al Saunders, a true seasoned vet. Hue did a good job of making the offense respectable the last two years, above average job. Im all for giving him one more shot with a new DC and GM, but he failed MISERABLY as a HC this year.
No need to bring up Bresnehan any longer. He is by far the worst DC Ive ever had the displeasure of watching a scheme from. He never had control of the D, ever. The D was never held accountable by Bresnehan, just that same stare off into space.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 am
The loss and this season have created expectations that we believed were different than the outcome.
The loss stinks, and I will get over it soon, but what hurts more is how the players played with the goal of playoffs on the line. I saw no fire and no will to win.
I watched the Detroit Lions last week in Detroit tear up San Diego and they, the lion players were so motivated to wrap up a playoff spot they were all over the field they had outstanding effort and won 38-10.
The Lion players efforts were a stark difference to San Diego players, it looked like you knew who wanted that game more.
Flash to Raiders yesterday, I didn’t see any continous effort. That’s what makes me mad, and they just have no heart or soul to not give it out yesterday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 am
Serious as a heart attack issues this team has.
Did anyone think we could hold SD at the 1/2 yard line? Answer: no
SD at the 1/2 yard line with 99 1/2 to go and you knew what was coming. You knew it. Thats nasty.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
#Raiders 2012 road games: Kansas City, Denver, San Diego, Cincinnati, Baltimore, Miami, Carolina and Atlanta.
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Right now, the only non division game they could win on the road would be Bengals, maybe.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Maybe we could bring Kiffin back.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Lets snag Gaither from the Chargers in the offseason, he has been unstoppable since hes been back. Won’t have to worry about Barnes and his perfectly timed drive ruining penalties anymore.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Guy Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 am
Lets snag Gaither from the Chargers in the offseason, he has been unstoppable since hes been back. Won’t have to worry about Barnes and his perfectly timed drive ruining penalties anymore.
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And he WANTED to be here. Crazy how the same medical staff that couldnt get Gaither cleared is the same staff who doesnt even know what to call McFaddens inury, and had a number of players miss time all year with the same HAMSTRING injury. The medical staff needs to go too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
When teams play against the Raider D and Chucka B, the entire 100 yards field is all red zone. Thruth.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
RaiderDazedandConfused Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 am
When teams play against the Raider D and Chucka B, the entire 100 yards field is all red zone. Thruth.
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Id love to be an OC game planning against Bresnehan. Would be the most fun I could ever have in football, aside from playing ON the field.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
“[Jackass] Jackson’s Anger On Full Display”: isn’t that a joke. Ni.gga is just posing hoping Mark see his histrionics and believes it. We had to put up with all Jackson’s crappola, building a bully, etc., and in essence Jackson did build a bully: bullies are all talk and no action, all front and no behind, soon as their victim even stomps his foot at them they run like the yellow dogs they are.
The Raiders regressed this year: Cable’s 8 and 8 was better than Jackson’s 8 and 8. Cable didn’t lose games personally with totally boneheaded mistakes and ridiculous play calling. In the end the eam didn’t implode with penalties and complete breakdown of performance.
FIRE HUE NOW, AND ATTENUATE STANK AL’S TAINT !!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 am
Gannon shared that Palmer told him it was hard to get quality time with Hue in meetings. That that had to change if they were to get on the same page.
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If Hue stays, someone – the new GM – better pop his balloon (ie. swollen head) and remind him of his job priorities.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 am
I wish I could punch this face over the internet:
http://prod.static.raiders.clubs.nfl.com//assets/images/imported/OAK/photos/persons/coach-cards/2011-cards/Bresnahan_Chuck-card3.jpg
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
AM I THE ONLY GUY THAT THINKS THAT A GM WILL WANT TO BRING IN HIS OWN PEOPLE INCLUDING HEAD COACH ?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Just on reputation alone, if we brought in a well-respected guy like Cowher or Fisher, it would probably reduce our penalties by one a game at least.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 am
“This is a very good defense,” cornerback Stanford Routt said, somehow maintaining a straight face, clearly oblivious to being in denial.
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 am
POST-1014,WOULD U BUY A USED CAR FROM THIS MAN ?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Won’t have to worry about Barnes and his perfectly timed drive ruining penalties anymore.
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His holding call in the red zone on the drive to start the 3rd quarter was a killer.
I think Bush was down inside the 5, and even worse was that Barnes was on the complete opposite side of the play (Bush ran to the left).
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Yesterday when the game was over I was attacked, ridiculed, and insulted by fans for saying Hue was in over his head.
My point was this. Al kept hiring these rookie HC so he could have power over them. Hue was not in demand anywhere else and really hasn’t done anything to deserve any loyalty.
I want a GM to come in and hire a new veteran staff that will bring respect and discipline to this organization.
It will be a fresh start from all things Al Davis and clean slate to start the post-Al period of this franchise.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
txraiderfan9999 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 am
I am a Palmer fan now. (was not before). But how do you throw that pass at half time. A jano 55 yard boomer would have lifted team crowd. Instead they look lik baboons again with clock/game mgmt. Why???????????
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Better yet, why did Murphy catch the ball so far from the sideline? If he knew he couldnt stop the clock, why didnt he just bat the damn ball down and stop the clock for Jano?? Bone-headed move of the day!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
And Bo…I’m with ya now…screw dmac! He was laughin it up on sidelines in 4th qtr….oh noooooo…time to go u hurt snatch of a rb
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Just realized to start the season we kept Nick Miller on the 53 man roster, ahead of Sterling Moore.
Nick F’kn Miller!!!!!
Hell, Stevie Brown could have helped this team more than Nick Miller.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
The more familiar image of Darren McFadden to me, is him in sweats, spiting seeds, on the fringe of the sidelines having a blast.
Sorry, not my type of franchise RB.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
I don’t even know what to say to you guys. Yesterday was such a pathetic display by the Raiders I actually feel sorry for you.
As for me, I’m glad to say by to Norv and welcome the John Gruden era where we kick your asses for the next 10 years.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
JFB
Your point, I don’t get it.
Just realized to start the season we kept Nick Miller on the 53 man roster, ahead of Sterling Moore.
Nick F’kn Miller!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Raider Dell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
JFB
Your point, I don’t get it.
Just realized to start the season we kept Nick Miller on the 53 man roster, ahead of Sterling Moore.
Nick F’kn Miller!!!!!
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And with that said, Nick Miller finally lives up to the nickname “DB Killer”.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Raider Dell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 am
JFB
Your point, I don’t get it.
Just realized to start the season we kept Nick Miller on the 53 man roster, ahead of Sterling Moore.
Nick F’kn Miller!!!!!
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Another Al Scholarship player…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
Charged Up for John Gruden! Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 am
I don’t even know what to say to you guys. Yesterday was such a pathetic display by the Raiders I actually feel sorry for you.
As for me, I’m glad to say by to Norv and welcome the John Gruden era where we kick your asses for the next 10 years.
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Stay as Alberta, comon MR or Alberta or your many other names, just fuk off today.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 am
2012 is the year of the Chargers!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Charged up. Too bad for you that Norv ain’t going anywhere….lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
I see people dumping on Carson, but more so than the pick, the one thing that pissed me off yesterday with him was the way we were just plodding around on offense in the middle of the 3rd quarter.
Taking the play clock down to 2-3 seconds, having to burn timeouts, just no urgency or fire.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 am
The loss stinks, and I will get over it soon, but what hurts more is how the players played with the goal of playoffs on the line. I saw no fire and no will to win.
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Hard to put out when you think your boss (DC) is an idiot. You know these guys were rolling there eyes and frustrated everytime a 3 and 20 all out blitz was called.
Its hard to play when you dont believe in what you are doing.
As far as Hue having control over Bres. Remember when Lane tried to fire Rob Ryan? Maybe Hue couldnt do anything about the D.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Rivers and Gruden will be a lethal combination. He could break Brees’ record next season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 am
Seymour Bush,,
If you’re gona quote me then use my whole analysis instead of 1 line out of 100.
I said what I liked as well as disliked about HueJax. Are you going to judge a season by the last 5 games or the entire 16 games? I’m just as critical of Hue as anyone but let’s not be foolish,,the team is on the come up and they just need to learn how to finish,,,that’s where the defense comes in….
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 am
YA…..I don’t care how hard it is….we dealing with a real chaotic situation…Cowher can only fix this mess
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Hire a GM now! But I guess we have to wait on the pack to win sb before we ca. Right?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 am
Dell,
We can’t cover anybody. It showed in the preseason, and Sterling Moore at least looked decent in the preseason.
Decent enough to stick around ahead of marginal players like Nick Miller, when we were set at WR.
Now Sterling Moore is playing for the Patriots in the playoffs, and making plays, and we cut Nick Miller a month after the season started.
Terrible usage of the 53 man roster.
A real GM will clean this up.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
Lane & Monte OR Hue & Bres(or)?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
Dont understand why the D didnt put the heat on cry-baby Rivers yesterday like they did in the first game this season!?!? He had enough time to knit a f@cking sweater back there!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:44 am
So much to say, don’t even know where to begin.
I will say that Hue will need to go, I love him as an Oc’ look what we did last year we actually blew teams out. He should stay as an Of that’s all, if not goodbye.
How can you bring ina new front office and not see where the liabilities are?
The defense was a comedy, terrible leadership no smarts no bully for sure.
We need someone that comes in that demands respect and hires a coach who requires the same.
I still would love to get Mike Nolan here here very fast, like in the next hour.
And like a previous poster Al wanted absolute control that is why the the staff is what it is, guys with no balls.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
No pressure was due to them having oline healthy. They lost two during the games when we beat them. I know they werent their original starters but they have been playing together recently.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
POST-1030,THEY BEEN SAY’N WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR SINCE 1960..
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
And yes thats a prob when another teams back ups can dominate out dline.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
Hue Jackson = all hat no cattle
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
JFB
Moore was signed and let go by Pats three times. If Moore is so good why wasn’t he on roster all season. Also if he was let go three times by Pats, why haven’t other teams claimed him. Sometimes players in pre season can play well against first year players and rookies and look good, giving hope to fans of that team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
if yall wanna get rid of dmac then get rid of the whole team. he was in sweats spitting seeds cuz he is injured. are yall so emotional u dont think players talk and laugh during the course of a game? im like jhill with the whole heart of a lion bs. guys are going to do what they do. its what they do on the field that matters. i get more pissed when i see players laughing when theyre in the game getting their azzez kicked. all this is a sign of coaching.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 am
Hue’s presser was spot on. No one knows what goes on behind closed doors. The fact is this raiders D sucks and from what I heard from hue blame goes there. I’m sure he would of loved to fire chuck B a long time ago. Everyone loved hue after the Houston game now you all hatin on him. It’s real simple chuck B has got to go his schemes are awfull puts guts in the wrong spot on that field countless times. To me what’s on the players is there tackling these guys been playing football there whole lives and they can’t tackle worth crap. This is the worst defense I have seen in Oakland since I can remember. Last yr they where good what the hell happened I think we all no.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
Its a damn shame…no excuses and u dummies giving hue and palmer an excuse for this fail job
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 am
POST-1030,THEY BEEN SAY’N WAIT TILL NEXT YEAR SINCE 1960..
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Dirt-Lot showing your age, you old goat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
O line- played well all season with the exception of Barnes. Looks like Veldheer and Wiz are going to be conerstones on that line.
Palmer-Jury is still out, he needs a full camp and OTA. I feel he plays reckless a lot of the time which can be his best asset and worst enemy.
RB’s-DMAC has the potential to be one of the biggest stars in the NFL. I’m really starting to believe he will be a 7-8 games back that gives you 700-800 yds. Bush showed down the stretch he a number 2 back. He is the best number 2 in the league-need to resign him. Taiwan will be a game changer in the future-very explosive. Reece Lightning-Hue you should of used him more he is a great weapon,
TE-Boss was seldom used-he should of been a huge red zone target. I’m afraid this concussion he suffered can hurt his career. Myers is a capable back up, godd blocking TE. Ausberry is the future.
WR-HAve a solid nucleus with DHB, Ford, Moore. Housh, Shillens, and Murphy are interchangable.
DE-Solid Group only if we stick with a 4-3, in a 3-4 scheme Shonasty and Houston might not work.
DT-Seymore getting old-Kelley not as effective without Seymore being solid-Im looking for a free agent DT signing or draft a DT.
LB-McClain might be to slow in a 4-3, might be better suited for a 3-4 where he has less responsibilities. Curry makes plays in front of him looks lost when his back is turned-great value for a 7th. Wimbley not enough big plays this year.
Safeties-Huff is inconsistent, Mitchell looks lost, but is are only person who can tackle in the secondary, Branch solid season, Giordano is a back up, Eugene coming back should help with depth, Boyd needs to be shown the door.
CB-Routt you make top Corner coin play like it. Lito-see ya, DVD and Chekwa will come to their own.
Hue-I’ll give you one more season.
Shmucky B-See Ya!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
THATS THE POINT ARMOND,HE (DMAC)IS NOT ON THE FIELD…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:49 am
As I predicted several weeks ago, all the talk about making the playoffs was both ridiculous and assinine. I also predicted: “We will lose to San Diego since Rivers is now throwing big time TD’s like the mad hatter.” I was correct.
For the life of me I can’t understand why the CB’s, while reading the receiver’s body language, don’t turn toward the ball and just get a hand up. We couldn’t even do that today while Rivers ran roughshod over us.
Attenuate Stank AL’s taint: hire a GM and legitimate head coach; blow the team up, tar and feather Hue and clip his eggs at the city limit.
Also, I couldn’t believe the play of McClain. I watched him on the bench – sluffed off chin and beady eyes, nasty goatee – cut him….oh yeah…..show him the ax handle across the face. That goes for Seymour, CJ, that idiot bunch of CB’s.
Makes me sick….
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Are you talking about Cowher for coach or GM?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
this is a young immature team that will do sh1t to piss us off. sometimes u have to have disappointment like this to light a fire under everyones azz from the top down. i hate that it may have taken this to make them realize it but it will. we will have a new gm and certain things wont be tolerated anymore. we shouldve made the playoffs but we didnt. we arent ready and thats the bottmline. this year we will seperate the men from the boys.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Dell,
All I’m saying, is that clearly we needed to give our DB spots more bodies and competition than we did at the back end of our WR rotation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 am
DELL,SOMETIMES IT’S NOT THE YEARS,IT’S THE MILEAGE…IN MY CASE IT IS PROBABLE BOTH LOL..GOOD DAY TO U BY THE WAY AND HAPPY NEW YEAR.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
What do you think M Davis and Trask were thinking when Hue said he was gonna be involved in ALL aspects of the organization?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Dell,
All I’m saying, is that clearly we needed to give our DB spots more bodies and competition than we did at the back end of our WR rotation.
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JFB
You’re right, just say so next time. Don’t be tip-toeing around the edges, let er rip.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
If any of you want to get your mind off the game, my band is going to be playing a show in Frisco soon. You should all come to the show. It’s going to rock hard.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Armond…….4 seasons of dmac has netted us what?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dirt-Lot
Happy New year to you and all of your family. This feeling is worse than the older I get.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just drove the 450 miles back home. All I can say was that was pathetic.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Rahem Morris as DC, thoughts, LOL
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
What do you think M Davis and Trask were thinking when Hue said he was gonna be involved in ALL aspects of the organization?
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Maybe that was his way of saying he isn’t going to be stuck with Al Davis’ garbage anymore. He can have Norv if he wants him.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 am
HueKnows Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 am
Just drove the 450 miles back home. All I can say was that was pathetic.
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Know how you feel. I drove only three hours, it sucked all the way and the miles seemed longer than normal.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Maybe Charged up….Seems pretty bold since he posted a 500 record and the word on the steets is they are going to hire a GM
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
YA…..as head coach! Our new GM needs to make it happen ASAP
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
1052.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 am
THATS THE POINT ARMOND,HE (DMAC)IS NOT ON THE FIELD…
——————————————————-he normally plays 13 games a year and this was the first time he played under double digit games. hell if he played the normal 13 yall complain about things may be different. i dont make excuses for this team. they had several games to win without him and they couldnt do it. wtf didnt bush break loose for some big runs? why didnt the oline open up bigger holes? palmer didnt always make good decisions. the defense was given big leads and couldnt hold them in games we won. young teams with suspect coaching does this type of sh1t in every sport. im not jumping on the talented young guys when i know better coaching will clean this up. get rid of the scrubs for some new blood.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 am
The bottom line is this, not ONE single Raiders fan that I know was happy about Bresnehan being hired. Not one. All year, where Hue was off and on, hot and cold, the one constant was the p!ss poor play of an undisciplined and poorly coached defense. I just want to know what kept Bresnehan his job all season long. If there was ever justification for firing a coach midseason, Bresnehans would have been valid. If Hue had these talks about what the problem is, how did Bresnehan keep his job so long? Hell, how is he STILL employed THIS second?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Armond…….4 seasons of dmac has netted us what?
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Probably the best all around back in the league when healthy. No one on offense is the problem. Not by a long shot. When the defense gets blown up, and they bring in a real DC that the players know they have to respect, things will start to change for the better. Let Hue run this team his way, bring someone (Mackenzie from GB PLEASE!) run the ORGANIZATION and let Hue coach the team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 am
YA…..as head coach! Our new GM needs to make it happen ASAP
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Process for GM will move slowly than all of us would like. Most teams are reluctant to give interviews during playoffs for office and coaches. The best scenario is finding GM in non playoff team or wait and get started late to evaluate your team for the upcoming season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
As long as the Sh!ttsburgh Queer-lers dont make it to the big game, I dont care who wins the SB this year… Dont see Te-blow and the Donks knocking them out next week though…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Forrest I like the Mackenzie call. Do we have to wait for them to be eliminated to interview? There is also Ron Wolfs son I believe with the pack as well and he could be another good one.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Is this the longest blog this year? Lots of frustration out there means raider nation strong. This was a border line playoff team. Bottom line. Maybe this season / ending was finally the catalyst for real organizational change. Let’s hope so…
Ps. How bout DHB. Kid was hammered by all of us. Never gave up. Working hardere than anyone. He still makes mistakes but at least he is giving it his all. We need 52 more stories like that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
CALL ME WHEN THE COMBINE START’S..FOOTBALL IS OVER 4 NOW
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
1061.Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Armond…….4 seasons of dmac has netted us what?
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so what do you suggest? we can be emotional now cuz this sh1t stinks.eventually u have to think this out.you think i like him being hurt this much? hell im as mad as anybody losing yesterday but its what WE have to go thru to get better. we have made some poor decisions that wont allow us to get over the hump fast enuff. getting rid of dmc and shawny and other stupid sh!t cuz we mad solves nothing unless we get proven talent thats just as good in return. fugg ya and his internet gm sh!t. he complains about our draft picks but wants to acquire more of them.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Is “Charged Up” aware that the Chargers probably won’t even be in San Diego past next month?
Hope he’s not a season ticket holder…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Armond…….4 seasons of dmac has netted us what?
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Probably the best all around back in the league when healthy. No one on offense is the problem. Not by a long shot. When the defense gets blown up, and they bring in a real DC that the players know they have to respect, things will start to change for the better. Let Hue run this team his way, bring someone (Mackenzie from GB PLEASE!) run the ORGANIZATION and let Hue coach the team.
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Got to agree with Forrest, DMAC and the offense is not the problem here… Even bold and bald Hue isnt… Bring us a decent RT possibly RG and TOTALLY re-vamp that D and we’ll have something… You guys can pi$$ on DMAC all you want, but when he’s in there, defenses are nervous…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Al wouldn’t tolerate this COLLAPSE.
HUE MUST GO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Method, I don’t think that Cowher wants to coach again… I thought he said a few things about wanting to spend more time around his family. Seems to like the broadcasting gig, too.
Truthfully, there are going to be a bunch of good coaching candidates available. None are completely without fault – no coach is. The GM will make his evaluations and when that happens, we’ll just have to trust the decision. That’s the idea here.
Whichever GM comes in, HE is the one who has to choose the coaching staff. Isn’t that why we wanted a GM here? So he can establish order, consistency to the organization? To implement a system and a coaching staff with whom he is on the same page (especially since for years we’ve had to endure Al Davis being at odds with his coaching staffs)? Let the process happen; a lot of different scenarios can play out from here. Personally, I think it’ll be fascinating to watch this organization more or less start anew.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Hue where the F was the bully this year!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Al wouldn’t tolerate this COLLAPSE.
HUE MUST GO.
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Dumbest post of the day.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
we should be mad at our medical staff. they cleared javon walker who admitted his knee was 65% but they couldnt clear gaither. just ridiculous.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
The blog consensus is hire GM, which is first priority of business. This hire is huge as this will be the first GM post Al D. Davis, so we want to get this right.
I’m glad Trask and Mark Davis have solicited the help of Ron Wolfe and Ken Herock who larned a lot of football from Al Davis and have stated so. Their direction is critical to continue what they want to do as an organization going forward.
The organization is in Mark Davis hand, and his direction sets the direction for years down the road.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
*LT Dan
No idea if we have to wait till the end of the year. I dont think so because his new position would be a promotion. I think front office people are allowed to interview for potential promotions whenever. I think its different for coaches tho.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Ps. How bout DHB. Kid was hammered by all of us. Never gave up. Working hardere than anyone. He still makes mistakes but at least he is giving it his all. We need 52 more stories like that.
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You want 52 more players like DHB? Really? We had 11 on D and you see how that worked out.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Fuggin’ Pathetic Display!
Another cold winter in Raiderland!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Agreed 1081. The GM must establish, or re-establish, the organization’s football identity. Hue is not the one for this job, nor has he earned it. Hue should have to re-interview for HC.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
HIRE FISHER!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I agree with a lot of what people are saying about the new GM wanting to build the program his way. But continuity is huge in the league and the teams that are the best generally have the same coaches/indentity year after year. The offense was very good and the defense was put together by Al to be run by an Al puppet. Get rid of the DC and bring in one that the head coach agrees with totally in terms of scheme/personnel and let them have a shot together. Again I say, Hue is NOT THE PROBLEM!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I haven’t tallied the final scores yet, but I’m certain that DHB won the MUP.
1. DHB
2. Wiz
3. DWOW
I’ll post the points and winners sometime when I’m not in such a sour mood.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Ps. How bout DHB. Kid was hammered by all of us. Never gave up. Working hardere than anyone. He still makes mistakes but at least he is giving it his all. We need 52 more stories like that.
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You want 52 more players like DHB? Really? We had 11 on D and you see how that worked out.
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terribly inacurrate statement…..if our D had as much drive and desire as DHB we wouldve been a top 5 D
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
BigTed707 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Fuggin’ Pathetic Display!
Another cold winter in Raiderland!
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I agree, what’s worse they had Pepsi guys and gals offering free lil pepsi cans for free and one lil old gal says to me smile, as she handed me the can, I opened it up and spilled the 8 ounces on the ground and said I’m smiling now.
How can anyone smile after that game yesterday, not me.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Hue is a LOSER.
Both Bresh and Hue have to go.
The new GM needs to pick his own guys.
No more EXCUSES.
Just Win Baby.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Thanks Forrest. Guess we are still behind the iron curtain as far as official info goes. No news about GM candidates interviewing anywhere I can see.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Ps. How bout DHB. Kid was hammered by all of us. Never gave up. Working hardere than anyone. He still makes mistakes but at least he is giving it his all. We need 52 more stories like that.
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You want 52 more players like DHB? Really? We had 11 on D and you see how that worked out.
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WRONG!! Nobody on that Defense was even awake let alone as fired up as DHB… That defense has NO fire and it all reverts back to Chuck B..
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
i cant even watch football for weeks now thanks to dumbEuck hue
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
1093.Forrest Hump Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Ps. How bout DHB. Kid was hammered by all of us. Never gave up. Working hardere than anyone. He still makes mistakes but at least he is giving it his all. We need 52 more stories like that.
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You want 52 more players like DHB? Really? We had 11 on D and you see how that worked out.
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terribly inacurrate statement…..if our D had as much drive and desire as DHB we wouldve been a top 5 D
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All that is great about DHB. I like his drive and how hard he runs. But he is not a top 5 receiver. He cant catch like a top five wide out. My point is he is not that good and neither is our D.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider Dell says:
“But what hurts more is how the players played with the goal of playoffs on the line. I saw no fire and no will to win”
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This quote says it all! Hue couldn’t get the team ready to play. Breathing fire to get after someone and be ready to execute the gameplan.
Hue should be fired for this alone.
He had an audition and blew it. Bring in the GM and clean this house up
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
The organization is in Mark Davis hand, and his direction sets the direction for years down the road.
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Hopefully he’s strong enough to fend off the Hue “I’m going to do everything” bully.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
And I see the anti-Hue sock puppets are out in full force today…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Norv really rubbed Hue’s nose in it by running that reverse to VJax to ice the game.
Hopefully this stench sticks on Hue for awhile – We can’t get humiliated at home like that!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
And I see the anti-Hue sock puppets are out in full force today…
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Effin A man. Too many Madden GM’s in this blog. Not enough common sense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
HUE BLEW IT.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Home: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Cleveland Browns, Pittsburgh Steelers, Jacksonville Jaguars, New Orleans Saints, Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Away: Denver Broncos, Kansas City Chiefs, San Diego Chargers, Baltimore Ravens, Cincinnati Bengals, Miami Dolphins, Atlanta Falcons, Carolina Panthers
Not sure if yall have seen this yet. Its from pro football weekly
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
they should have mandatory cleanup day for the raider players, make them clean up the stadium after all the sh!t they put the crowd through……and the sh!t they put on the field…
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
And I see the anti-Hue sock puppets are out in full force today…
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Duck,
Raider Nation is mad. I’m not going to blame one person, but he is the head coach and understand everyone’s frustration. Hue said in many press confs, the blame is his and told the media to blame him not the players, he leads this team. So as rational thinking people, we are doing what he said to do, blame him.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
1103.BigTed707 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Norv really rubbed Hue’s nose in it by running that reverse to VJax to ice the game.
Hopefully this stench sticks on Hue for awhile – We can’t get humiliated at home like that!
when did that happen? i left after the palmer pick so i dont remember seeing a reverse. maybe thats why pdople said that hue didnt shake norvels hand.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I don’t blame Hue.
Hue is over his head.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Im seeing all kinds of teams expressing interest in this guy and that guy… Cant we at least get some good news like the ousting of a defensive coordinator for starters??
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
norvell has grown some huevos after being here he shut up fett eating ryan and mediawh@re hue….
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Terrible way to bring in the New Year on the sports tip. First my Louisville Cardinals choke off their bowl game; then the basketball team loses back to back games to Georgetown and the intensely hated Kentucky; and the Raiders choke yet again to another AFC West team at home. Happy F’n New Year. Nothing made me sicker than seeing Lito Shepard get picked on ALL day, while Sterling Moore was making tons of plays on the ball and picked off passes in New England’s early game.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
1109. It was alte in the game. I did see Norv out in the middle of the field saying wheres Jackson. Maybe he did snub him. I am a Hue supporter but if thats the case….Thats pretty weak.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I don’t blame Hue.
Hue is over his head.
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JUST WIN BABY
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
DMAC has averaged less than 8 carries a gm since he got here. Not a reliable option.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I still think Hue can do it with a GM to keep him in check and a better Def.Coordinator.
Our Offense could still be sick if we had even a little competency on defense – and that is still thanks to Al and Hue.
Hopefully we can get some decent LB and CB depth through FA this year. This seasons Defense was an embarrassment!
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
ain’t blamin’ the O, the OC or the HC
they did enough to win the division
all blame goes to the D and DC for late collapses at Buffie, contra TBone the Lions and yesterday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Hue did some good things this year, but he is in no way qualified to be the GM.
Whether it’s Reggie McKenzie, Eric DeCosta (unlikely to leave Baltimore), Scot McClouhan, Tom Gamble (current Director of Player Personnel for the 49ers), or someone else – he’ll have to decide whether he wants to work with Hue or bring in his own guy.
I think that given the performance of the offense, the lack of draft picks, and the players already on the roster, the new GM will give Hue another year and assist in free agency and the defensive coordinator search. It’s clear that Hue needs help. I think if Hue can focus on his head coaching duties and the offense while the GM handles the rest of the organization’s business, there is a good chance the team will make some real strides next season. But if the GM decides he can’t/doesn’t want to work with Hue, that their philosophies are not in concert? It might be best to go a different direction, because it’s inevitable at that point.
Hue will probably get some say in the process, but not a whole lot. He could be allowed to suggest names and have a chance to meet with Trask, Davis, and the potential candidates before the decision is made. In the end, the goal is to let the GM run the organization, and for that to happen effectively he needs to be on the same page with his coaches and vice versa.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Dell, what’s up brother? Sorry I couldn’t meet you yetserday. Brien says you’re one of the coolest he has met! Next year. maybe!
Other than that…wait…no word of Chuck B walking on the 880 with a bag on a pole whimpering like Snoopy when he just got kicked out of his home by Woodstock?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 am
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.”
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OMFG I just read this. Wow. Let us all hope Jackson’s statement does not become reality.
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I’ve been saying this since I listened to the presser on the radio. If I am Madden or Trask or those helping Mark Davis, it’s this proclivity toward blustering or even more worrisome, this positioning to actually UNDERCUT what Madden et. al. are advising Mark to do regarding a GM that gives me pause about the suitability of Hue as head coach going forward.
Note, I said, “gives me pause” because actually I have been, even after the debacle yesterday, in favor of letting him have one more year as head coach, but, I don’t want him having too much power. After a guy proves his worth in the position in which you have placed him for a few years–head coach-THEN, a team might consider expanding his responsibilities or giving ore credence to his input on other matters.
The more I think about his presser, I think Hue was trying to sway Mark Davis away from hiring a GM who’d be above Hue in the pecking order of the organization.
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
What’s Mackenzie’s position with the Packers right now?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Al Davis or no Al Davis the Raiders are still behind the rest of the league.
Other franchises are in full offseason mode the day after the season ended – Firing coaches, researching candidates, and moving forward.
The Raiders still haven’t got out of bed and joined the rest of the world yet.
When will this pathetic sh!t come to an end?
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Twocents Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:13 am
Sounds like Hue wants to pick the GM. I’m not sure that’s a good idea.
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Obviously he does, a guy who’ll not threaten his own job security, either this next season if he is retained or after next season when his contract expires.
However, who in their right mind would give a guy with only one year’s head coaching experience the power to hire a buddy of his as his “boss.”
Agreed that if the powers that be think Hue’s contract ought to be honored, then it’s obviously best that the new GM and Hue are on the same page philosophy-wise. It’s also crucial that they can work together professionally, but I don’t want a one-year head coach deciding the organizational fate of this franchise.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Would love to see Hue’s Presser cancelled at 2pm…
Sick of hearing this dude Bump His Gums and not say ANYTHING that matters…
Dude was tuned out by this team…
There’s a reason why he’s a 1 year guy at so many of his stops, this should be another…
Hate to see us go through another transistion at HC, but lets make it a clean sweep.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
DHB: you have to be kidding; his performance is worst when crunch time comes – no talent – gains some yards, but then drops the ball when we need him most – has a fat turd hanging from his butt.
Get rid of him now while he may have some trade value.
DMAC: big jackass with serial foot problems; he ran right over several bottom tier teams. So what? Top tier teams shut him down; he looked the same as Bush averaging less than 60 yds. End result of his presence on the team for the last 4 yrs ?? zipp0, nada, zilch.
Get rid of him too while he has some trade value.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
#1125
well said !! yes !
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Without TWO blocked FG attempts…
Hue would have finished this season on a 5 game losing streak…1-4 down the stretch is enough to end a lot of HC’s tenures, this should be one of them.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Mother F’n Cro-Magnon Man w/3 inch skull: Hue is better off as a snake oil salesman or tent revival pastor boinking married, female parishoners. As an HC in the NFL, he’s a joke.
Many entries claim Hue should be retained as OC: his play calling sucks; 1st down Bush up the middle for no gain; 2nd down short pass to DHB; 3rd down Bush up the middle, no gain and out. Hmmmm….that’s if we are not going straight back with a bevy of penalties.
FIRE HUE !
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Hue is a Bully!
All talk and ZERO Walk…
this team came out FLAT at HOME for the biggest game of his tenure…
Where has all of his offensive Genius gone?
We’ve been running the same 12 plays on offense for the last 2 months…wow a double reverse, 3 times in one game? that’s original.
How about getting the TE involved? ‘nah, not my kind of offense’..yet we were KILLED yesterday by a TE who runs in slow mo…Hue has got to GO!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.”
To Mark Davis: welcome Hue back with an ax handle across that shiney, black pate. When he goes down, loop a chain around his ankles, wench him up toward the rafters, promptly tar and feather him, welcome him out of town, and clip his eggs at the city limit line so no more defective dna gets into the gene pool.
FIRE THAT IDIOT LOUD MOUTH !!
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
If everyone thinks the club can’t get turned around in a year, notice the 49′ers at 13 and 3. I remember a high intensity loud mouth named Mike Singletary. He just didn’t have what it took; same as Hue.
The 49′ers gave up only a single running TD all season, while making a man of Alex Smith. Sever Stank AL; attenuate his taint.
It’s time.
Blow up the team Mark, top to bottom. Let’s just move forward. You can do it, boy. It’s not rocket science. If you are afraid to fire Hue, let me do it for you. I’ll bring my ax handle.
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Hue and Chuck are gone soon. Mark my words. A better day, and better football is coming.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
And I see my Broncos fans are out in full force today…
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 am
For head coach..Mista Brown….
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:13 pm
# wishbone Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:30 am
I love the 49ers,there is a huge difference between ours and theirs. The guys on their defense go full speed on every play. Our guys go half speed 75% of the time. I saw Seymour & McClain jogging after Chargers on more than half the plays in the 4th quarter. That’s inexcusable and Hubris needs to make them accountable by cutting them. Hubris says “it’s on me”, but he really is saying its somebody elses fault. The biggest loss this season wasn’t Dmac or Jason or Jacoby (for half the season) it was Cable.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hue and Palmer sucks…can’t wait til they’re gone…take Housh with ya even though I said Hue was a great Coach.[Black Men Can't Coach]
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
# ann b. davis Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
#1125
GO BRONCOS !! yes !
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
# Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I blame Hue.
Hue is over his head.He can’t coach high school!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Fire all of em!And me too.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Glad to see my boy Tebow is on his way to the SuperBowl.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
# Raider O Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 am
Good morning BRONCO Nation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 1st, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Typical B…K man when the evidence is right in front of him that he’s to blame he throws everyone else under the bus.
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