Coach Jackson weighs in on array of topics
By Steve Corkran
Monday, January 2nd, 2012 at 4:41 pm in Oakland Raiders.
After hearing from numerous players today, Raiders coach Hue Jackson got his chance to speak with the media in his season-ending news conference in Alameda.
Among other things, Jackson said: he is open to bringing back quarterback Jason Campbell, strong safety Tyvon Branch and running back Michael Bush; wants a defense with a well-defined identity; hopes to be involved with the general manager search; and the things that ailed the Raiders this season won’t happen again next season.
There’s too much ground to cover and I don’t want to leave out anything, so here’s the entire transcript from the nearly 35-minute question-and-answer session:
Intro: “How we doing today, ladies and gentlemen? Obviously, this is the end-of-the-season meeting. This meeting’s too soon, for me. I hoped we would still be playing, getting ready to practice and prepare against whoever we’d be playing this week but it didn’t work out that way. Yesterday, we didn’t play like I think this team can and that’s disappointing, as I said yesterday, and that’s what I told the team yesterday and we got some work to do and we’re going to get it done.”
Q: What is the message you gave the guys on the way out, beyond that?
A: “That as a Raider, you’re expected to win. And 8-8 is not where we want to be and I don’t want to use the old coaches’ cliche — you look at the wins you possibly could have won, and you didn’t. To me, that’s just…you’re setting yourself up again to be able to say, hey look, if we did this, we’d be here, you did that, you’d be there. You didn’t. At the end of the day, you didn’t win those games. We got what we earned. We’re 8-8, we’re a .500 football team for the second year in a row and, that’s disappointing. But the guys that come back here, that get ready for the offseason program, they’re going to buy in…all the way to what it is that we’re selling. Because we’re going to win a championship here, and that’s what I told them. And if you don;t feel comfortable at the way I think you’ve got to buy in, then maybe this is not the right place for you.”
Q: Is there a segment of guys that did not buy in?
A: “No. I’m not saying there’s a segment. To me, like I said, my disappointment, the last game of the season, with everything on the line, it doesn’t come down, in my opinion, to X’s and O’s, all the time. I’ve been on some really good football teams, and at some point in time, there;s a group of men that make a decision, they’re going to win a game. And they play that way. And I think our team started in that fashion. I mean, unbelievable first drive by them that led to an interception. Unbelievable first drive by us that led to a touchdown. And then, all of a sudden, to me, when I looked at the tape today, it looked as if, maybe, we got a little complacent and said, ‘Oh, this team today, we’re fixing to get, we’re going to blow them out. They’re not going to play. But my message to them, to you, to the team, to everybody, is these are pros/ They’re going to play. They’re going to play every snap and as hard and as well as they can play. When you have this much riding on the line, you have to play better than you have all year to even give yourself a chance, not to win the game, just to give yourself a chance. When you don’t do that, that is very disappointing to me.”
Q: How would you letter-grade the season overall?
A: “Average. I mean, maybe C-. I mean, there’s too many times that we were ahead. I mean, I can go all the way back to Buffalo, I can go back to Denver here, I can go back to the Detroit game. I can go back to the game yesterday. And where we had opportunities and we didn’t make the most of them. So, we weren’t good bough, obviously. So, C is average, and I think we were a little but below average. But do I think we have the potential to be better? Yes I do. And I’m going to get this football team better.”
Q: What would you say to the people that say you changed your tune yesterday?
A: “That I would respect that. I did. I did change my tune. This is the end of the year. I told you, I’m going to take it. You know, and I take it all year for this football team. The year is over now; now I can tell you what I really feel, and what’s really on my mind. I know what’s in our locker room and I know what the team has the potential to be, and I look at me first. I didn’t get them to do it, and that’s disappointing to me. And then secondly, we didn’t as a staff get them to do it. We got them to do it in an average way — 8-8. That’s not good enough. That’s not acceptable to me, I don’t want it to be acceptable to our players. i don;t want it to be acceptable to our organization. I didn’t sign up for that. So I’m disappointed. I told them that, they understand that. And if people take that because I’ve normally taken it all and yesterday I decided to tell you what I really felt, then so be it. That’s fine.”
Q: Are you concerned the difference from the way you handled it with players changes anything?
Jackson: “No. Because what you guys don’t know is what I already say to my players. See, that’s the difference. How I talk to them ain’t how I talk to you. I have different conversations with them. So I think they understand where that’s coming from, whether they read it, I don’t think there’s no hard feelings. If a player, coach, whatever can’t take a justified whatever way you want to look at it, when it’s justified, then so be it. I mean, that’s just the way it is.”
Q: How do you really feel about the defense and how it played down the stretch?
Jackson: “It’s unacceptable.”
Q: Any changes coming staff-wise, made those decisions?
Jackson: “Well, I haven’t sat through it all, but obviously I’m going to meet with everybody here soon and we’re going to go from there.”
Q: If there is going to be a front office hire, can you make those changes? Talked of taking stronger role in organization. Is that stuff sorted out in your mind?
Jackson: “No, it’s not. But I would hope that as the head coach of this football team I would hope that the organization understands that I have a pretty good idea of where we need to go. Because if not, then I shouldn’t be where I’m sitting. So at the end of the day, I think I have a pretty good idea now that I’ve been through this for a year, and have done it, be it coaching, be it all kind of sort of different hats and duties, dealing with you all, and everybody, I think I know exactly what this team needs to do and how they need to do it. That’s the fun part of it. The downside of it is I didn’t want to be sitting here today. I wanted to be preparing for a game. And we’re not.”
Q: Will you meet with Mark Davis this week in terms of setting plan for offseason?
Jackson: “Yeah, I’m sure we will. I’m sure me and Mark will get together here soon.”
Q: At one point, you said your defense could be an elite unit, but now that we’re really being honest, do you have the personnel to be an elite defense? Are the pieces really there?
Jackson: “I thought the pieces were there. I mean, a year ago this defense was 11th with basically the same guys other than Matt Shaughnessy. So I thought it was. That’s what I made my prediction on, from one year to the next. You’re kind of playing with the same guys other than Shaughnessy and Nnamdi. Maybe that was bad on my part. Maybe I over-analyzed what I thought we had the potential to be. But I still believe that there is decent enough personnel to be, I don’t know what we were, but there’s no question about that.”
Q: Rolando McClain, talked about how he needed to be great, needed to be a leader, did he do that?
Jackson: “I’m not going to talk about individual players. I just think as a group, we didn’t play as well as we can play and I’m going to leave it at that.”
Q: Did you see enough leaders, in general?
Jackson: “The leadership is tremendous. The locker room and prior to the game is as good as any place I’ve ever been. It’s playing the game. All that talking don’t mean nothing. You can rah-rah and talk and do all that stuff all you want. You got to play. This is a performance-based business. You get paid to play, you got to play. Just like I get paid to coach. You got to play, you got to coach good on game day, not at halftime, not before the game. When they set-hut, that’s when you got to play good.”
Q: Did you see leaders on the field?
Jackson: “I seen guys. There wasn’t a question of effort. The guys are playing hard. Obviously, which leads into the penalty issue, we’re not playing smart enough. What that does is take you away from opportunities and possibilities to be all you can be. We have some things to correct and address and get better at and I think we have an opportunity to do that. I’m not going to back off on what I think this organization can be and should be. We’re going to be it. We’re just not it, this year.”
Q: How eager are you to field a team where you can mold it the way you want, to where you hire all coaches, all the players, have a heavier hand in all the moves?
Jackson: “I’d like to involved. Just because, again, having been through it now and seen it and playing the different divisions across the league, and you get a different idea of what it’s going to take to win. I mean, but at the same time, whatever mark decides to do, I’m going to respect that also. This is his football team. I respect that. But I will want to be as involved as I can be just because I think I’m in it. I’m in it deep. And I understand everything that’s going on.”
Will you be involved in search for a GM, and will it be awkward that you might be hiring your boss?
“I don’t know that. But I don’t think it’d be awkward. I’m pretty comfortable with who I am and what I am. I’m not gonna get caught up in who we hire and who we bring in here. I know how that works. I know when people mention that, ‘well, if they hire a GM then he’s gonna want to bring in his own head coach.’ And hey, if that’s what Mark decided to do, that’s his right. I don’t think that that’s the case, but that is his right. But at the end of the day, whoever comes here, I think it’s gonna be somebody who wants to share the same vision as a I do, which is winning a championship, which is getting the organization back to being better than average. Because we should be, and we can be.”
Have you been involved in that process yet?
“We’ve had conversations, but we haven’t said exactly who, what, when, where and how. But I do know that there’s gonna be somebody that we do bring in here and talk to and do those things with. But we haven’t just nailed it down or anything like that.”
But you are a part of that process?
“Um, I think I will be. But how involved, I don’t know that. I mean, he’ll let me know that as we move forward.”
Will you have a detailed sit-down with Mark Davis to discuss what went right/wrong?
“I would love to meet with Mark and tell him that, and feel very comfortable with it. Whether it’s Mark or front-office people or whoever wants to listen. I have a pretty good idea of where we need to go, and I think we’re gonna go there. I know what Mark’s vision is, which is to put the Raiders organization back among the elite. It’s my vision. I think it’s the organization’s vision. We know we’re not there yet by any stretch of the imagination. But I think we know we’re making progress. I mean, is it good enough? No. But I think we’re making progress.”
Was this supposed to be The Year? And did failing to make the playoffs make it even more painful?
“It’s just painful, period. Because like I said, I expect to be playing. ‘The time is now’ is gonna be ‘the time is now’ every year that I’m here. I expect to win, and I’ll do whatever it takes to win. I mean, I know everybody talks about the moves, but that move gave us an opportunity to be playing for the AFC West championship yesterday. We just didn’t win. Without that move, we wouldn’t be having this conversation like this. We would have, a long time ago, been talking about, ‘Hey, what are you doing for next year?’ So that being said, I understand the critics who talk about those things, and I respect that. The other thing out of that is, there’s gonna be all kind of different ways to acquire players. I mean, I know we talk about the draft all the time. That’s just one vehicle to get players on your team. There’s gonna be a lot of different ways to acquire players to get this football team better, and I think we all know that. Normally you do it through the draft. We do not have a lot of draft picks, but we will have some. There’ll be compensatory picks, there’ll be other things we can do. And I do, I get little disappointed that that’s all we talk about is, ‘well, the draft pick for Carson,’ and was it worth it? Well, like I said, without him, I don’t think we’d be having a chance to play in a game yesterday to win the division. So was it the right situation, the right process in my mind? Yes, because I think every team every year goes out there with the intent of winning. And not so much winning at all costs, that’s not what I’m saying. But with the intent of winning, you have to give players hope. I think the city had hope. I mean, that’s why eight of our games were sold out. And that’s disappointing, because they’ve done their part. We just gotta do our part, and we gotta do it better.”
Do you feel good about moving forward with Carson Palmer?
“I think, obviously, he has some strong characteristics throwing the ball. I mean, he’s proven that. I think he’s disproved all the issues with his arm. I don’t think anybody can bring those subjects up anymore. I think that Carson needs a strong offseason, with his teammates, with the players, training camp. And then let’s see what he can be then. Am I tied to him? Well, I made the decision, so I guess I am. You know? He’s one of our quarterbacks. But by no means do I say, hey, Jason Campbell doesn’t haven’t an opportunity to be here, too. That decision has not been made. I have a strong feeling about Jason Campbell, and I think you guys all know that. I mean, my doing that, I know everybody sees it as maybe it was a slap to Jason. It wasn’t. I owe this team the best opportunity to win, and this organization the best opportunity to win. That’s why I did what I did. And at the end of the day, I’m not gonna run from that.”
Yesterday, you said this was not a dumb team. Today you said they need to be smarter …
“Dumb. I said they are not a dumb team? Yeah. Dumb is a strong word. Dumb means you don’t know what you are doing.”
What is undisciplined?
“To me, and I am going to say this because this is what I feel, I wish sometimes when I get things back from the league, you guys could see them. To see some of the things I see, because I think you would be shocked. I know we’re the most penalized team in football. I wear it. I don’t like it, but I will wear it. But until we play better, in all areas and consistently, intelligently for 60 minutes, maybe we’re going to be the most penalized team. You know? When you say undisciplined, we have some of that. I can’t run from that. We get out of gaps, we do things that don’t allow us the opportunity to win football games. Things that I don’t see on the practice field show up in the game. So we have to wear some of that. But this is not a dumb football team. This is a team that, to me, wants to be aggressive, wants to win and has to learn how to win every down, every play and play as hard as they can play for 60 minutes to give themselves a chance to win.”
How did your team handle distractions, from Al Davis’ death to the trade for Palmer to Rolando McClain’s arrest?
“Great. I never felt any of those things, other than obviously the losing of our leader was tough, … I didn’t think that once we made the trade I don’t think anybody balked at it or fought it – I am talking about on the team or on the staff. I think once the thing happened with Ro, everybody understood what it was, I made a decision and we moved forward. I know people want to point at a lot of those things as to why you lost a game here or there, I don’t see that way. Did it take some time to get Carson up and running? And have his teammates comfortable with him? Yeah. But I knew that was going to take time. I think we all knew that. Did we have to make some adjustments from this team that was going to be a bully to play to his strengths? Yes, that’s what you do. That’s any good coach does. You take the players you have and you try and make adjustments to what you need to do. We lost some very key players early, I don’t make that the excuse why we didn’t win yesterday but we did. We lost some very valuable members of this football team, be it Jason, be it Darren, be it Matt Shaughnessy. But we have to find a way, and that’s what coaches do. They find a way to get their team to respond and continue to play and play well.”
If Campbell comes back, is it an open competition?
“I am not going to answer that. That’s a loaded question. It’s not about competition. One thing you must know about me is I am going to play the best guy. And right now, one guys is under contract and the other guy is not. So let’s see where that goes when that time comes.”
But you would welcome him back?
“There is no question, I would.”
Is McFadden’s injury worse than you thought?
“No. Is it worse? Yes. It took so long. But it is what I told you guys it was, a mid-foot sprain. And everybody comes back from that differently. He has taken more time than other guys have. And it’s unfortunate but that’s the hand we were dealt. But Michael Bush did an unbelievable job filling in. He had an outstanding season. But again I would love Darren back out there playing. Would have love to have him yesterday.”
That injury affect long-term thinking regarding him?
“You have always put everything into the evaluation. Darren is under contract and all those things will take care of themselves. But it has taught me that you always have to have – whether it be at the quarterback position, the running back position of the receiver position — a very capable No. 2. And obviously Michael Bush was.”
Darren’s been a Raider for 64 games, but maybe been really healthy 18 times. How much of a concern is that history?
“It’s a concern. Me talking to him, it’s a concern of his, too, because he wants to be out there with his teammates competing and playing and helping contribute. Again, this was an unusual year – not an offseason and going right to training camp and obviously him getting injured early in training camp and starting the season and, boy, he started the season like gangbusters. He was rolling pretty good and then all of a sudden here comes the next injury, and then we didn’t have him anymore. And I know everybody said that’s been his history. Hopefully we’ll get over the hump. And I know it’s been foot issues, per se. I know he’s going to do his part, to do everything he can to make sure he has an opportunity to play 16 games because that’s what we need him to do. We need him to play 16 straight games to help us earn a 17th.”
Does that concern about McFadden make bringing Michael Bush back a bigger priority?
“Well, it’s a concern, but again, you still got to look at how your team is set up. Would I love to have Michael Bush back? Yes. Are you kidding me? The guy is tremendous. But Michael Bush is going to have some opportunities himself. Sometimes you’re not in control of that, and I respect that. Michael loves it here and loves playing for the Raiders and being a part of this organization, but any young man in these situations, they’re going to do whatever they think is best for themselves and their families.”
Is there a time you can look at and say this was the signature moment that dictated who you really were?
“Well, if you go back to Buffalo game, because when you’re winning 21-3 and the other team comes back and beat you, that’s who we really were. And that’s who we were all year, and that’s very disappointing to tell you that, but that’s the truth. We have had leads, and teams have found ways to catch us in the end and beat us and defeat us, because if they didn’t, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. We’d still be talking about practice, and that’s disappointing because that starts with me down through our coaches, down through our players. We got to find a way to finish, and I used that word earlier in the year. We got to become a team that finishes, and that’s where my disappointment is because I believe in that, we talk about it. We just haven’t done it as well as I think you have to in the National Football League.”
How do you assess your game management skills in your first season?
“I’m growing just like everybody else. It’s unfortunate that some things happened, but I can get better, too. I’m not taking myself off the hook by no stretch of imagination. I need to get better, and I will, and I feel very comfortable with that. But there’s some things that I wish I could do over, there’s some times where the phone doesn’t work and communication’s not the greatest. I mean, those things do happen. Contrary to what people believe, those things happen in real life, where all of a sudden the phone does go out and the quarterback can’t hear you, but you deal with some of those things. But as I said, I need to get better, and I will get better.”
Carson Palmer told Rich Gannon that he wished he had more face time with you each week. Did Carson tell you that?
“Oh, yeah. What comes from that is when you’re the head coach and play caller, I think the quarterback wishes you were more down in the meetings. As you guys know, when you wear a lot of different hats, there’s so many different things that you have to do. So I do install the offense, and I do run the offense on the field, but as far as the quarterback meetings, I’m not in those very much. So I’m going to have to make some adjustments, too. Again, you go through the first year and find out what was good and what wasn’t good. And so we’ll continue to make those adjustments as we move forward and get this thing better. But it’s going to get to where I need it to be. Trust me when I tell you that. I’m not going to stop until we get this thing right.”
Tyvon Branch could be an unrestricted free agent. He improved a lot this year. How eager would you be to get him in the fold before free agency?
“Very, because I think he’s one of the young, talented players on our team. I think he has a bright future ahead of himself. Any guy that’s back there that we deem, the organization deems, is a Raider and that plays the way we want them to play, we want to get under contract and get back here in a uniform. He’s definitely one of those guys.”
Was the loss of Matt Shaughnessy bigger than some thought initially?
“Oh, yeah, because he has so much tenacity and quickness, and he’s a really good pass rusher. There’s times where sometimes we didn’t pressure the quarterback as well, where I think Matt would have gave us just a little bit different edge coming off the edge attacking an offensive tackle.”
Q: There a disconnect between players’ performance on defense and results?
A: “Well, I’m not going to tell you there’s a disconnect. I just know this: we cannot look at what we’ve done on defense and say it’s good enough, or say it’s even close to being good enough. It’s not, and my players know that. So, I’m not saying something to you I haven’t said to them. We have to improve by leaps and bounds, and we’re going to. I guarantee you, we will. We got to get better, we got to get better fast, and we will.”
Q: How much mental shortcomings vs. physical shortcomings defensively?
A: “Well, it all goes hand in hand. The physical is the mental, and the mental is the physical. As you work through some of the things that we’ve had happen to us on defense from week in to week out, it’s very apparent that it’s kind of the same theme. So, like I said, I know exactly where we are and what we need to fix. We cannot let quarterbacks come in here and play pitch and catch. We can’t let guys take the ball and just bring it back at us. We can’t do that. At the same time, on offense we got to make sure we score more in the scoring zone than we did, and finish. Again, at the end of the day, 26 points, at home, in your stadium, you would hope you have a great opportunity to win. But we didn’t, so we need to get better, and we will get better.”
Q: Is it important to you to have a firm defensive identity?
A: “No, you have to be a team that has an identity, but then have to also have some things off of that, that you can go to. So, we’re going to learn to become a team that is this and then we’re going to have an opportunity to do that, if need be, because offenses are too good in this league. You can’t just line up and do one thing all the time but you also got to make sure that your players know exactly who you are, and we’ll do that.”
Q: Do you think teams such as the Ravens and Steelers do that?
A: “I know that’s what they do. My time in Baltimore, that’s why Baltimore is playing in the playoffs. That’s why they got a first-round bye. They’re really good on defense and they play well enough on offense to make things happen. We’re not going to follow their pattern but we’re going to become who we’re going to become, and we’re going to get good at it.”
Q: What kind of defensive identity do you want for your defense?
A: “Well, I want a team that, one, stops the run. And, two, I want the opposing quarterbacks, when they get off the bus, to be worried about getting hit. Then, I want us to be able to take the ball away from the offensive football team. Turnovers is the key to any championship in this league. The teams that are in the playoffs, they get a ton of turnovers. We need to get better in all three of those areas, and we’re going to.”
Q: 3-4 scheme, 4-3 scheme?
A: “I’ll tell you as we move forward.”
Q: Is this team better than last year’s 8-8 team?
A: “Yeah, it is. There’s some things that we’ve grown in and done better than last year. But, when you look at it on paper, it’s not. Eight and eight is 8-8. I don’t care how you cut it, slice it. There’s a sense that we’ve been closer than what we’ve been, just talking to all the players this morning, meeting with everybody, there’s a good feeling. But I also think there’s true disappointment. That’s for me to help them solve. That’s why I sit in this chair. I got to help them solve that, along with this staff. We got to fix it, and we will.”
Q: Do you have someone who can raise everyone’s level of play like Ray Lewis?
A: “I’ll tell you next season. We’ll talk about that next season. We have a bunch of guys and I think we have some good football players. What we’re going to do is become a really good defense. We’re not there yet. We have some work to do.”
Q: Was this year a feeling-out process for you in terms of the players?
A: “Oh, yeah. For me, it was my first year being the head coach here and really seeing it from a different level. A year ago, all I did was run the offense and watch it. Obviously I got totally involved watching the defense too this year and being a part of that. That was different but it was good. I’ve learned in my first year so many different things that you have to deal with, offense, defense and special teams. We need to grow and get better. We went from a defense that was 11th a year ago to 29th. We went from an offense that was 10th a year ago to ninth. There’s a discrepancy there. We got better in some areas. We didn’t get better in some areas. I thought our special teams grew. Obviously we have the two best kickers in football. That being said I think our coaches did a better job of scheming. We made more plays in special teams this year than we probably ever have. I think we got better in that area. I just think we have a little ways to go in a couple of areas to get to where we need to be, where we can be a consistent team that has a chance to win. One of those areas is we have to eliminate penalties and then we have to get some of these other things right that we got wrong.”
Q: How do you assess the rookie class?
A: “Oh, wow. I think they contributed. If you go back and look a lot of those guys played. Obviously Taiwan Jones, he was injured a little bit, quite a bit down the stretch here. You look at the corners. DeMarcus Van Dyke started a few games. Chekwa started a few games. David Ausberry made a catch in the game yesterday. He started to come on there at the end. Richard Gordon was a contributing member on offense and on special teams. When I look at all those guys, they did some really good things. Wisniewski. The guy was phenomenal playing left guard for us. We’re getting the right players. We’re putting the right players on the football team. What we have to do is keep them healthy and keep them out there so they can grow and get better.”
Q: Is Wisniewski a left guard moving forward? Center?
A: “That’s where he is now. But we’ll see as we continue to move forward. The team’s going to change a little bit. The shaping of the team as we move forward it’s not going to be the same team. It’s going to change here and there and we’ll see where we are as we continue to move forward.”
Q: Will 80-90 percent of guys be back?
A: “I can’t answer that right now. It’s too early. You just don’t know where people are. We’ll see.”
Q: Grade the rookie class?
A: “Denarius Moore, I give him an A. I think they were as a group, contributing to the football team, I think they’re C+. The guys played here and there. But again, there’s some rookies that are playing in the National Football League who are starting every game. But Wisniewski, Denarius Moore on offense they were outstanding. Then some of the other guys who got injured would bring the grade down a little bit. But contributing they were above average no doubt about that.”
Q: How come DeMarcus Van Dyke didn’t play much late in season
A: “I don’t think that was a red flag. Obviously again he got hurt. One time I think we had two defensive backs that were going to be active for a game. We did that when we started just for numbers. Then all of a sudden he started to play and do some good things. The next thing you know DeMarcus was down a little bit more. Lito had played well and when you find a guy who’s playing well you hate to move him at that time. That’s what that was more so than anything.”
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January 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Funny, when Hue Jackson took the blame in his press conferences, everyone was all up in arms because he wouldn’t call out certain players. Now that he starts pointing out that certain players didn’t do their jobs, Hue Jackson takes no responsibility for the team.
Can’t have it both ways, guys.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Code Black, Code Black, Code Black, etc, etc, etc.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Stop being butt hurt and think logical, Chuck B screwed us big time. All we had to do was stop 1 98 plus yard drive against Detroit or SD and we would be ok.
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Jackson must go
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Sorry 303, but this team was 7-4. In control. Playing well. It’s not this team had one 99 and a half yard drive to seal it. This team had dozens of opportunities to seal it. And never did. They went 4-6 in their last 10. Including more than one blow out loss. Time for more than one person to hit the unemployment line.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Kell…you’re a coward…and who said its my blog? U threatened by me cuz u are a marshmallow of a man….RaiderDuck spewing that LA crap…even u have stated on here about the LA thing…now u wanna go back on it cuz of me? Hypocritical phaggot old man who will do earth a favor when u off yaself
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Brien, you’re a pos!
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Yep Kell Code Black isit for us…but too bad Hue didn’t get guys to understand it…..now you’re Code Coward…evidenced by our talk
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Players didn’t play hard and that’s ultimately on Hue, he is their motivator.
You can blame schemes all you want but sloppy tackling will make any scheme look bad. Guys cant shed blocks, taking bad, angles there are no Schemes for that!
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Michael…you’re a btch ass oreo ngga trying to sound as if you trying to impress the Country Club racists who hate your Ernie from Sesame Street looking ass
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Sounds like a dead man walking to me.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
“Ernie from Sesame Street looking ass”
LMAO…..not the band, seriously that was funny
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Why don’t you boys take your feud back into the 510? We want to talk Raiders, not hear your hate talk.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Can’t have a decent conversation in here, without BrownStains and Brien Bootlicker coming in here and calling everybody a bunch of childish names.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
666….it all excuses and I said I cut no excuses for not winning afc west
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Michael…you are full of schit…even when I don’t mention your sorry ass you still call me names….u such a crybaby wimp and need to be put to death
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Our defense couldn’t tackle my grandmother……or defend a pass…
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
It sounded like Hue had to tread water to get this presser over with.
It was insulting when he said he was just covering for his team throughout the year’s pressers and now he can finally tell us what was really on his mind. If I was a player of his, I would not want to play for a man that was two-faced like that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
“it all excuses and I said I cut no excuses for not winning afc west”
8-8 wins the division this year..come on man a nutless monkey (Cable) did that last year.
No excuses you either won the division or you didn’t.
Sloppy tackling, guys out of position, taking bad angles why wasn’t that crap fixed in pre-season?
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
You really want to bring n another head coach, install a new plan, etc?
@Seymour Bush:
You don’t think that a GM, a better D, and offseason for Carson with his offense will not produce better numbers?
Hue made mistakes for sure, but the Offense with Jason going down, Dmac hurt, did a lot better than I expected after the injuries, Hueneeds to take credit for that.
Again, give me a better D coordinator, like they did in Houston, and we have ourselves a good strong team.
HueJax gets at least another year, period.
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Moldtown….shut up…510? Guess where Raiders from? Now shut up or die
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Fingers….school of the deaf and blind would score 3 tds on us at the least
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
666 the presser was embarrassing…Hue picked some of the players on D and kissed Al’s ass on some of signings as well…so this crap story about its not on hue about the D is weak
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Method… I heard that…true
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
On one hand I feel sorry for Hue, he is so contrite in this presser. On the other hand I see a man that made guarantees that he could not produce. I like the man and wish him well but I don’t think he is our future.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Fingers…head coach is over whole team so defense is his fault
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
“….school of the deaf and blind would score 3 tds on us at the least”
Yes I think I know what you are saying…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
KK Munster decrying name calling again.
lmfao
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KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Can’t have a decent conversation in here, without BrownStains and Brien Bootlicker coming in here and calling everybody a bunch of childish names.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
The local media away from Alameda protends to be tough, yet read their questions, some of them are pretty lame. Nobody in that group will ever be accused of being to tough on the coach.
I guess being on good terms and eating BBQ chicken is more important.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
“Fingers…head coach is over whole team so defense is his fault”
After the Buffalo game Hue should have seen as a HEAD COACH of a football team that there are problems on that side of than ball that need to be fixed.
He had all season to fix that slop I saw yesterday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
666….it all excuses and I said I cut no excuses for not winning afc west
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Anyone able to top that statement? I can’t.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Players didn’t play hard and that’s ultimately on Hue, he is their motivator.
You can blame schemes all you want but sloppy tackling will make any scheme look bad. Guys cant shed blocks, taking bad, angles there are no Schemes for that!
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One of the very lst thing you are taught as a football player is schemes and plays don’t win football games. PLAYERS win football games.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Q: Is it important to you to have a firm defensive identity?
A: “No, you have to be a team that has an identity, but then have to also have some things off of that, that you can go to. So, we’re going to learn to become a team that is this and then we’re going to have an opportunity to do that, if need be, because offenses are too good in this league. You can’t just line up and do one thing all the time but you also got to make sure that your players know exactly who you are, and we’ll do that.”
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What was the answer?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
So disappointed, Raider fans… I have to lay it on the defense… yes Bres needs to be dropkicked into the Bay, but I think our D-Line needs a long look.. I watched the Giants demolish the Cowboys and couldn’t help but think “Why dosen’t our Dline perform like that?
Hire a GM?.. of course
Hue?.. I’m conflicted.. Terrible time management.. questionable playcalling yesterday. Still, I’d like to see him have one more year with this offense, minus responsibilities of the GM.
Finally a note to Dvrick…
Dvrick.. you missed it earlier when your mom posted that in her opinion Phillip Rivers d!ck tasted just like yours! Also she was baking you a cake to celebrate the Chargers still HAVE NEVER WON A CHAMPIONSHIP.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
We need a GM soon… But it’s problably gonna be after the superbowl
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
IF U DONT WANT TO FIRE BRESNAHAN DURING THE SEASON 4 WHATEVER REASON(PROTOCALL I GUESS)LET HIM STAND ON THE SIDELINES WITH A HEADSET THATS TURNED OFF AND LET SOMEINE IN THE BOOTH CALL DEFENSES..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Q: Do you think teams such as the Ravens and Steelers do that?
A: “I know that’s what they do. My time in Baltimore, that’s why Baltimore is playing in the playoffs. That’s why they got a first-round bye. They’re really good on defense and they play well enough on offense to make things happen. We’re not going to follow their pattern but we’re going to become who we’re going to become, and we’re going to get good at it.”
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That was follow up question, are you kidding me, that was a follow up to my prior comment, OMG, I’m really scared now, what is our def identity this year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Wonder what John Madden is telling Mark & Amy right now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
These guys had a chance to be in a post season game all they had to do was beat SD in front of their home crowd and they came out and laid a turd.
One thing you will not hear in here today “man those guys fought hard and played their asses off yesterday”!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Players play but coach decides what guys are out there
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
I’m lost in this Politically bulschit, double talk. What was our D doing this year, and who would he like to identify with. Answer not this year coming to anything.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
666…Al was still alive right after the Buffalo game… And we all know Al was calling the shots…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Is there a time you can look at and say this was the signature moment that dictated who you really were?
“Well, if you go back to Buffalo game, because when you’re winning 21-3 and the other team comes back and beat you, that’s who we really were. And that’s who we were all year, and that’s very disappointing to tell you that, but that’s the truth.
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I think this is the quote of the year. I appreciate Jackson saying this, because it is true. Buffalo was week 2. All year and We never got it fixed.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
KELL,PROBABLY NOT MUCH,HE IS STILL PUKING HIS GUTS OUT FROM WHAT HE SAW YESTERDAY.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
So if a change should have been made after the Buffalo game it would have had to be Al making the change….
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Kell what u mean? Come on old man Madden wants Hue gone like most sane folks
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Wonder what John Madden is telling Mark & Amy right now
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Madden is telling them to pour bleach over the coaching staff
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
29.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
“Fingers…head coach is over whole team so defense is his fault”
After the Buffalo game Hue should have seen as a HEAD COACH of a football team that there are problems on that side of than ball that need to be fixed.
He had all season to fix that slop I saw yesterday.
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What did you expect him to do?? Davis was still in charge. After Davis passed Hue brought in Curry, Ndukwe & Sheppard. At least he tried mid season to bring in help. The man can’t gameplan, and call plays and control the D. That was up to Chcuk B and the rest of the D staff after Davis passed away.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Dell….Hue did big talk and didn’t back it up
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Is there a time you can look at and say this was the signature moment that dictated who you really were?
“Well, if you go back to Buffalo game, because when you’re winning 21-3 and the other team comes back and beat you, that’s who we really were. And that’s who we were all year, and that’s very disappointing to tell you that, but that’s the truth.
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I think this is the quote of the year. I appreciate Jackson saying this, because it is true. Buffalo was week 2. All year and We never got it fixed.
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We didn’t improve since week two, and yet we were building a bully and now I’m really pissed. he could have turned over the D-coordinator duties to anyone else on staff, yet he rode this out for 14 more games.
thanks, for getting my hopes high.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
GM candidates:
Reggie McKenzie
Scot McCloughan
Tom Gamble
Elliot Wolf
Eric DeCosta (unlikely to leave the Ravens)
Head coach candidates:
Hue Jackson (obviously…)
Jeff Fisher
Gregg Williams (would be very interested to see this one)
Mike Zimmer (another I would love to see)
3-4 defensive coordinator candidates:
Dennis Thurman
Winston Moss
Kevin Greene
Mike Nolan
Dean Pees
4-3 defensive coordinator candidates:
Steve Spagnuolo
Jack Del Rio
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
3-4 positions of need:
0-tech NT – Aubrayo Franklin, Paul Soliai, Brandon McKinney in FA; Alameda Ta’amu in the draft
LB – ILB Barrett Ruud, Dan Connor, Stewart Bradley, Rocky McIntosh, OLB Jarrett Johnson, Erik Walden, Manny Lawson in FA; ILB Audie Cole, Adrien Cole, Tank Carder, OLB Brandon Lindsay in the draft
Front seven would include Seymour, Houston, and Bryant at DE with McClain and Curry at ILB and Wimbley at SLB. Shaughnessy should be traded if the DC doesn’t think he can convert to OLB. Tommy Kelly would be trade bait as well. The key here is getting a true NT and a blindside pass-rusher who can consistently make plays.
4-3 positions of need:
DT – Red Bryant, Aubrayo Frankin, Brandon McKinney in FA; Alameda Ta’amu, Marcus Forston, Mike Martin, Tydreke Powell in the draft
RDE – Mario Williams, Cliff Avril in FA.
LB – MLB Barrett Ruud, Dan Connor, Stewart Bradley, Stephen Tulloch, WLB Manny Lawson, DeAndre Levy in free agency; MLB Audie Cole, WLB Nigel Bradham, Keenan Robinson in the draft.
Front seven should include Lamar Houston at his natural 3-tech DT position and Shaughnessy and Bryant battling for the starting LDE spot. A 1-tech gap-plugging DT and playmaking RDE would round out this group nicely. Between Tommy Kelly and Richard Seymour one needs to go – and Seymour has more value and a nearly untradeable contract. Ruud or Connor would be ideal at MLB since McClain doesn’t have the range or the ability to shed blocks. Manny Lawson or Nigel Bradham could be good fits at WLB if Aaron Curry doesn’t come back.
The Raiders would also be remiss to ignore the secondary if they have the opportunity to improve it. CB Cortland Finnegan is on his way out in Tennessee, and Michael Griffin or Tanard Jackson could provide help at FS if the Raiders can get out from under Michael Huff’s terrible contract. The Raiders should also look at CB Leonard Johnson in the draft.
Key FAs to retain: Tyvon Branch, Desmond Bryant.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I think this is the quote of the year. I appreciate Jackson saying this, because it is true. Buffalo was week 2. All year and We never got it fixed.
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Seymour/Bush- then what does this tell you about Hue’s ability to inspire, coach and build a bully? Hue should have used this presser as an opportunity to save face and resign, instead he is tryig to save himself. He is a two-faced liar.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
“Wonder what John Madden is telling Mark & Amy right now.”
Madden: Is that decrepit, senile smelly old real estate agent KK calling you and harassing you again Amy?
Amy: Yeah its kind of creepy I did file a restraining order but I found out yesterday the FBI has a file on him.
Mark: I know who that wacko is I see him on the Blog all the time eating shlt and acting like a total douche.
Madden: “Security a senile old man with soiled adult diapers has just broke into our office….please bring some Lysol!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
We need Cowher or someone who will let em know that they are embarrassing the city
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Offense:
Continuity is essential here. Carson Palmer needs a full offseason. Terrell Pryor needs to absorb as much knowledge from CP as possible if he’s ever going to be a legitimate NFL QB. DHB, Denarius Moore, and Jacoby Ford need to continue to grow in the offense.
Positions of need:
OL – Wisniewski needs to take over at C, and Stephon Heyer should be resigned to start at LG. Raiders need to find long-term solutions at RG and RT. If Bruce Campbell and Joe Barksdale can’t step up at either position? OT Demetrius Bell, OG Evan Mathis are options in FA; OT Alex Hurst and Jeff Allen, OG Lucas Nix in the draft.
RB – The Raiders need to see what they can get for Darren McFadden in a trade. IF any team offers a 2nd round pick or higher (preferably with a 4th or 5th included), the Raiders absolutely need to jump on it (certainly, that’s a relatively sizable “IF”). They need to find players at RB who are more reliable since the team struggles when the running game stalls. The sad truth is that McFadden’s skills when healthy are outweighed by the fact that he never is. And $5 million is too much to pay for a part-time player. It’s a luxury the Raiders can’t afford if they want to add more pieces to improve the team. If Michael Bush can’t be retained, Mike Tolbert would be a suitable replacement. If the Raiders can manage to get a 2nd round pick Doug Martin, Ryan Wilson, and Chris Polk are all consistent, versatile players with lots of tread left on the tires. Cyrus Gray, Terrance Ganaway, and Marc Tyler are also options between the 4th and 7th rounds.
Veteran Backup QB – Chris Redman, Josh Johnson, Shaun Hill and Chad Henne are all upgrades over Kyle Boller.
Key FAs to retain: FB Marcel Reece, OL Stephon Heyer. Raiders should also make a competitive offer to RB Michael Bush, and try to keep C Samson Satele for depth.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Raiders were horrible on 3rd down Offensively – 21st in the NFL with 35.7%
This is all oh Hue’s offense. Nothing to do with Defense
Raiders were 28th in the NFL in Time of Possession with 29:55 Average.
This is on the Hue’s offense. Nothing to do with Defense.
Raiders were 16th in the NFL in points per game with 22.4
Nothing to do with defense.
Blaming all the problems on the defense is not right.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Need to make a statement by cutting one of the starters on defense and McClain would be the best place to start. Why Slow-lando? How ’bout underachieving as the #8 overall pick. How ’bout his reputation playing video games which he apparently takes great pride in. How bout the Bama incident that, not coincidently, was just before the Raiders started their 1-4 run to end the season. How bout the arm tackles, missed tackles and being routinely out of position. Watch Ray Lewis, urlacher, cushing, ellis, those guys are beasts on the field… McClain is still young and should get better with time and maturity. Unfortunately, we’ve had 9 years of bad defense, so this shouldn’t be with Oakland.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Hue Jackson is nothing more than a west coast Rex Ryan. Talk talk talk. Fact, much more talented team this year (except for OLINE) and the team still only went 8-8 and set a ALL TIME LEAGUE RECORD for penalties and yrds. If that isn’t Hue Jackson’s fault then I don’t know what is. Plus this moron kept the worst lineman in NFL history in the lineup. Setale and Barnes. Plus if Hue was soooo great why didn’t Ravens keep him? He didn’t leave to take a head coach job, he left for another Off Coord job. HUE SUX
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Hue Jackson wasn’t gonna be firing Brrsnahan after week 2…. That was Al’s guy….. The Players are Al’s picks…….
And this is exactly why the Raiders need a GM…that D needs to be blown up … Buried and the earth salted ..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
“We didn’t improve since week two, and yet we were building a bully and now I’m really pissed. he could have turned over the D-coordinator duties to anyone else on staff, yet he rode this out for 14 more games.
thanks, for getting my hopes high.”
I agree with Dell here
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Very fortunate for Mike Bush to get so much playing time in his contract year, yes?
You suppose McFadden’s his boy?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No way could Hue fire Bresnahan in Week 2. Bresnahan was Al’s guy.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
These guys quit…Hue pisses me off for sure but who the hell these guys think they are? They quit and have done nada in this league. Ford DVD and Dmac y’all like to party…you too Taiwan don’t think ppl don’t have eyes in the streets! Party it up while ur injured…fk y’all nggas
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Didn’t improve?… Hell, the D got worse …… I thought after the first Donk game that the D might be Ok…. Also thought that after the first San Diego game… Nope… Wasn’t to be ….
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
DONT U THINK THAT IF A LEGIT GM IS BROUGHT IN,HUE WILL BE GONE ?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Raiders were horrible on 3rd down Offensively – 21st in the NFL with 35.7%
This is all oh Hue’s offense. Nothing to do with Defense
Raiders were 28th in the NFL in Time of Possession with 29:55 Average.
This is on the Hue’s offense. Nothing to do with Defense.
Raiders were 16th in the NFL in points per game with 22.4
Nothing to do with defense.
Blaming all the problems on the defense is not right.
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Sorry, got a little carried away. Was thinking of TOP as the ability of offense to hold the ball, but Defense does affect this stat by allowing teams to sustain drives.
Not all on Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No way could Hue fire Bresnahan in Week 2. Bresnahan was Al’s guy.
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I never ment fire, remove and replace it’s done in business all the time. Also Al died, if Hugh had so much pull to get Palmer, why not change the d coordinator also.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
DIRT-LOT LOOK AT YOUR KEYBOARD. NEXT TO THE “A” KEY, ABOVE “SHIFT”, BELOW “TAB”. IT’S CALLED “CAPS LOCK”. TURN IT THE F*** OFF.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Kell I have no issues with Mike Bush…he plays and didn’t help he had statele barnes and cooper blocking for him and a coach who preaches power running but yet has 3 wr sets all game long
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No way could Hue fire Bresnahan in Week 2. Bresnahan was Al’s guy.
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I never ment fire, remove and replace it’s done in business all the time. Also Al died, if Hugh had so much pull to get Palmer, why not change the d coordinator also.
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“Remove and replace” in business is called “firing”.
The Palmer trade happened after Al had already died.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
JUST DO IT TO BUG U YOUNGAMERICAN..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I don’t think Hue was watching the same team we were, from what he said.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
DIRT…..a competent gm fires Hue…look at the presser…ego is grand sized and he won’t admit he fked up…Palmer deal sucked
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
We didn’t improve since week two,
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Dell I wrote in here many times over the years, “you’re getting better, or you’re getting worse.” Right now at the Whiner practice facility in Santa Clara a 15 X 25 banner is there with that exact quote. We got worse. Heads should roll. Period.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Dirt… If we bring in a credible GM and he wants to Dump Hue , I’m allover it…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
No way could Hue fire Bresnahan in Week 2. Bresnahan was Al’s guy.
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I never ment fire, remove and replace it’s done in business all the time. Also Al died, if Hugh had so much pull to get Palmer, why not change the d coordinator also.
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“Remove and replace” in business is called “firing”.
The Palmer trade happened after Al had already died.
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Not in all circumstances, and yes Hue pulled all the strings to get Palmer after Al died, what don’t u get. Hue could have left Bresenhan on staff and had his duties shifted to someone else.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
To answer your question, Holmgren didn’t bring in his own guy and the Browns’ defense (Mangini was a defensive coach) didn’t perform nearly as well that season as the Raiders’ offense did this season.
It’s a toss up. Depends on the GM’s vision for the team. Maybe the GM meets with Hue and they decide they have similar ideas for where to go with the team. Maybe not. That’s the idea behind bringing in a GM, though. They’re the ones that make those decisions.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Method, these guys are human but I know what your saying. This is why we need a GM that knows who wants to win and those that are just pretenders.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
I never ment fire, remove and replace it’s done in business all the time. Also Al died, if Hugh had so much pull to get Palmer, why not change the d coordinator also.
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Insurance policy in the event things do not go according to plan, you have an out, you have a fall guy, or in Bresh case a dupe…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Glenn…for such a sad end to season Hue has to go…guys muust know that Mark and Amy ain’t fkin around
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
I never ment fire, remove and replace it’s done in business all the time. Also Al died, if Hugh had so much pull to get Palmer, why not change the d coordinator also.
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Insurance policy in the event things do not go according to plan, you have an out, you have a fall guy, or in Bresh case a dupe…
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thec,
Than I question his character and honor for not doing the right move for the team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
THEC,THINK UR RIGHT ON THE MONEY.SCAPE-GOAT..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Brien sorry I missed your call yesterday fam.
After the game I was too distraught. I left the house and didn’t talk to anyone til this morning.
But the more I think about it, based on our inconsistent play over the course of the entire season, we didn’t deserve to go to the playoffs.
That’s real talk.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Oldtown Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I think this is the quote of the year. I appreciate Jackson saying this, because it is true. Buffalo was week 2. All year and We never got it fixed.
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Seymour/Bush- then what does this tell you about Hue’s ability to inspire, coach and build a bully? Hue should have used this presser as an opportunity to save face and resign, instead he is tryig to save himself. He is a two-faced liar.
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I agree. He really should have put it all on himself instead of throwing the team under the bus. Not that the team doesn’t deserve to get run over by any bus going to Alameda…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
On nfl 32 schefter made it clear raiders have no cap flexibility, what GM wants this job?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Brien, you need to stfu biotch! You going to stain yo shirt with all that diarrhea running out yo mouth.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Twocents they didn’t wanna win at all….they wouldn’t dig deep at home when denver had lost…hue has to get bladed
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Step one is a legit GM. Give him time to evaluate the program, including Hue.
Without Hue jabbering in his ear. Beating him over the head with the used-car sales pitch.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
I have an open mind on keeping Jackson and, frankly, I think it’s more important to bring in an elite GM to straighten out the decades-long mess Davis left behind. Having said that, I just don’t get the impression that Jackson is very bright. I get the impression that he reaches his peak as strictly and offensive coordinator.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Not in all circumstances, and yes Hue pulled all the strings to get Palmer after Al died, what don’t u get. Hue could have left Bresenhan on staff and had his duties shifted to someone else.
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Not in all circumstances? That makes no sense. Removing someone from a job means you’re firing them.
Coordinators don’t get “demoted” in the NFL.
Who could have replaced Bresnahan even after week 5? Rod Woodson, who has never even been an assistant coach before? Mike Waufle, who has never been a defensive coordinator? C’mon. Use your brain.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Glenn…for such a sad end to season Hue has to go…guys muust know that Mark and Amy ain’t fkin around
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Exactly. That would be a page out of the old mans playbook for sure.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
elraidmanhattan Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
On nfl 32 schefter made it clear raiders have no cap flexibility, what GM wants this job?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Seymour waived, we just picked up $17 mil on the books.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Post 86…MR how much more pitiful can you get?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Hue runs to the right side on 3rd and short(barnes coop and setale and NEVER throws to any of our EXCELLENT TE’s He’s a joke….. He’s like Dennis Green, thinks he now owns the team…. He’s Fn 8-8… If they don’t replace him of at least new Center guard tackle. Then I’m out 35yrs and I can’t take it any longer
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
I like that, but tell me you sure it doesn’t count next cap?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Seymour has to go as well…he is done and doesn’t wanna play anymore
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
THEC,THINK UR RIGHT ON THE MONEY.SCAPE-GOAT..
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Total conjecture on my part however, I did call this several weeks ago that if we do not get to the tournament that Coach would throw Bresh under the bus…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Yeah and no use of the tight ends this season? For what? This is football not some damn video game!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
If you remove the Seymour, McFadden, and Kelly contracts, you’re clearing up about $30 million. After that, if you restructure Huff, Routt, and Wimbley, you have even more room to work with. And I don’t think Palmer would mind converting some of his money to guaranteed money to help the team.
Good GMs know how to move money around.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:40 pm
anyone here wants to buy some apartments, a lodge and a cabin in northern europe???? LOL =)
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencetech/article-2081219/Is-super-volcano-Laacher-See-lake-Germany-blow.html
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
oh yeah, 11mm CB with 17 penalties and can’t cover
8mm FS who can’t cover or tackle
11mm on a LB that can’t cover and now can’t rush passer
Hue Jackson fired PRICELESS
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Hue made some big mistakes for sure….Biggest mistake in my opinion was cutting Hagan and getting TJ Hous your mama, who did absolutely nothing for us this year.
But if Hue had made the necessary adjustments on the defensive side with Bresnahan and crew we go to the playoffs hands down.
Offense went from 10th to 9th.
Defense went from 11th to 29th.
It’s not rocket science. Yeah we could have scored more points but the defense didn’t force a punt all game yesterday! That’s freakin unheard of!
What do you guys want? Would you feel better losing like we did to Buffalo 38-35? Or maybe like the Jacksonville game last year?
We can score in the red zone all we want, but if we can’t stop NOBODY on defense, all we are setting ourselves up for is last second heart break losses week after week!
I swear it ain’t rocket science.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
What GM wants this job? Someone that has a plan and can deliver. Maybe McKenzie. Accolades accrue to those that do the impossible.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
20mm on Routt and Huff and no money for an OL.
Ryan Kalil made friggin pro bowl
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Question, could Coach/GM Jackson brought in a new DCO and been successful?
Keep in mind that we have 4-3 personnel…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Not in all circumstances, and yes Hue pulled all the strings to get Palmer after Al died, what don’t u get. Hue could have left Bresenhan on staff and had his duties shifted to someone else.
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Not in all circumstances? That makes no sense. Removing someone from a job means you’re firing them.
Coordinators don’t get “demoted” in the NFL.
Who could have replaced Bresnahan even after week 5? Rod Woodson, who has never even been an assistant coach before? Mike Waufle, who has never been a defensive coordinator? C’mon. Use your brain.
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I am using my brain. I won’t let your comment defer from me knowing that Mike Wauffle, who just four years ago was a super bowl winning coach of the NY Giants D-line and Rod Woodson played for many good d- coordinators couldn’t put together a defensive game plan, comon man, you neded to get past never been one it’s hard to be one.
I know people who have been hired to be Mgrs for the first time and had no training ,yet accomplished and did very well due to their knowledge and skills to communicate with people.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Ohio u just made case why he needs to go
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
99 and a HALF yards!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Of course, Hue doesn’t want to answer to the GM. He wants to direct the GM, or at least be an equal.
He is definitely the kind of guy who will be trying to cushion himself with as many fall guys as possible.
He STILL hasn’t taken responsibility personally for fielding a team that not only ended up 8-8 instead of 11-5, but could have very easily been 4-12. And didn’t look well prepared in at least 13 games.
That’s completely on him. He is supposed to supervise and direct the staff. If they’re not getting the job done, it’s because he’s not getting the job done.
If any meetings are about Hue and Mark getting together to talk about how all the assistants screwed up, next year will be as bad as this year. Hue needs to be on the receiving end of an honest evaluation just like the rest of the staff.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Armchair….man is in over his head…3 wr sets after going I formation most of season? That’s insane!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
99 and a HALF yards!
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I bet the LSU or Bama D could of stopped the disc a couple of times….
Sh1ts probably some new record… A freaking mazing…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Marshall wrote himself outta town when he used that ridiculous 5 safety secondary package last year.
This year “Brilliant” Bresnahan decides to try linebackers and defensive ends on receivers and tight ends like Megatron Calvin Johnson and Vincent Jackson.
I was done when I saw Lamar Houston trying to cover Gates in the slot. I was completely done at that point.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
“Brilliant” Bresnahan
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hahahahahahaha….Now that’s funny…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
You don’t use your tight end at all…reece was your fb…then tonga was thn reeece was and then u barely use him since bears game…obsessed with 3 wr sets while having suckas on the oline at center right guard and right tackle
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 pm
LOT OF UGLY THINGS YESTERDAY,99-1/2 YARD DRIVE & RETURN FOR TD WERE THE 2 THINGS THAT MADE ME USE WORDS I HAVE NOT USED IN A LONG TIME..
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Bres for Pres in 2012
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
The very fact that Bresnahan is still the DC today is the very thing that is wrong with this organization as a whole.
All the other teams were ready to move forward today. Meetings had been done, decisions had been made, & plans were set in motion.
Despite the passing of Al NOTHING within the Raiders organization has changed.
They are still talking about getting together sometime in the future to discuss things and maybe decide how to move forward.
Its like they’re all smoking pot. DO IT ALREADY! It doesn’t take 3 weeks to decide if you’re going to fire a guy.
This organization needs to be brought into the modern world and ran with an up-to-date business model. Its still being ran like a mom n pop operation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Brien did you see the Presser? Hue admitted that he had too much on his plate and dropped the ball on some things.
He’s a first year head coach trying to find his way.
I think he should be given one more year but clear, firm instructions.
Manage the team and leave the play calling to Al Saunders. He has one more year to clean up the penalties, and manage game time situations better or be out!
Autonomy on player decisions should also be taken away from him!
But I just don’t think we can be hiring and firing new coaches every single year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
I am using my brain. I won’t let your comment defer from me knowing that Mike Wauffle, who just four years ago was a super bowl winning coach of the NY Giants D-line and Rod Woodson played for many good d- coordinators couldn’t put together a defensive game plan, comon man, you neded to get past never been one it’s hard to be one.
I know people who have been hired to be Mgrs for the first time and had no training ,yet accomplished and did very well due to their knowledge and skills to communicate with people.
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Again. One guy with HALF A SEASON of experience as ANY kind of position coach. Not a viable option. A guy who has spent his entire career coaching defensive lines and has never once expressed interest in being a defensive coordinator? Why force him to do something he doesn’t want to do? Does that sound like a way to get results to you?
Bresnahan stayed because there was no other option.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Gruden was 8-8 his first 2 years. We all knew it was mistake bringing Bresnahan back.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Someone explain to me why this offense became primarily a base 3 wide set toward end of season…makes no sense
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Armchair I ain’t fkin with Hue…he a jcat
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
You are a jcat Brien.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Someone explain to me why this offense became primarily a base 3 wide set toward end of season…makes no sense
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Because Cooper Carlisle and Samson Satele are soft as marshmallows and it became abundantly clear that they could not consistently open holes for Bush anymore.
Teams were stacking the box and beating him up and it started to take it’s toll.
My biggest problem on offense is like you said though…
Why not involve Kevin Boss in the game plan more! Why even have him out there if it’s because of his blocking skills? Every time he touch ed the ball good things happened.
The closest we came yesterday was when he caught the TD pass to narrow it to 5!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
This Raider defense is comparable to the crap I saw in the Baylor/Wash game the other night.
We all know Chuck B is toast, what players do you guys think should be axed/replaced or retained?
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Man hue get no pass…you took on job knowing Al would die soon…meaning he knew he would have this huge load….he wimping out and didn’t take accountability for real
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Albert B@uce Man Paine Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
You are a jcat Brien.
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You don’t even know what a jcat is you fraud.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
While I admire Hue’s chutzpa, he is not the man that I would want to lead us to the next level.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Albert B@uce Man Paine Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
You are a jcat Brien.
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You don’t even know what a jcat is you fraud.
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A jcat is someone who is mentally whack, such as yourself.
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
BTW…The Rose Bowl is a pretty damn good game…
Watch #53 for Wisc. In on almost every play. MLB…
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Man I hate to bring up the 9ers….but really, do you guys think they are 13-3 with a first round bye because of Alex Smith?
Hell no! They are in the playoffs because they have a top 2 defense in the league! Only one rushing TD all year and they force turnovers. All Alex Smith has to do is manage the game and let the defense dominate. Running the ball and defense is ALWAYS a formula for the post season!
We would have gotten to the playoffs with Jason Campbell because we would have beaten Denver and KC.
Our record would have been 10-6 but we would have gotten knocked out next week against Pittsburgh because our defense SUCKS!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Armchair…and who designated coop and satele starters? I understand coop maybe but satele shoulda been benched after first SD game where we dominated line play
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Armchair…raiders were a 11-5 team at worse with JC for sure
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
YoungAmerican
Good debate, based on your comments, the results would have been worse or no better. I say with the conventional wisdom of “can’t do that”, why not, the results are a fact, that no matter what we are here today, due to bad play and results from our d- coordinator.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
LOl MR looking up things on urban dictionary now….you’re so easy
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Albert B@uce Man Paine Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
A jcat is someone who is mentally whack, such as yourself.
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Now I know you an L7 for real. No one says “whack” anymore.
Furthermore, “whack” in the context that you’re trying to use it in is spelled “WACK”.
The way you spelled “Whack” means to hit someone, usually over the head, which is clearly what happened to you as an infant you mental midget.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Armchair…raiders were a 11-5 team at worse with JC for sure
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Seriously, did you just say that? That has to be one of the stupidest things I have read in here in a long time. JC would have folded once McFadden was gone. No way would he survive with no running game and no defense. We would have been luck to reach 8-8 with JC at QB.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
MR scroll down and see what it means in Bay Area terms u btch
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
If Hue does finish out his contract, i would hope he just has some input and not able to make GM decisions. I also still think IF he stays, he should let Saunders call plays. My worst fear is that they take too long searching for a GM and pull a Chuck B II. That’s all we need is to be stuck with Mark, Hue, and Herrera GM’ing this offseason.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Method, I think Hue had Bush running outta the 3 WR sets to “put him in the best position to succeed”. Spread em out and maybe thin em out with an extra DB.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Armchair, so what if I’m not a ghetto kid who grew up speaking ebonics?
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
JC never loses to KC or Den nor sorry ass SD for that matter….JC was our best qb this season
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Armchair…raiders were a 11-5 team at worse with JC for sure
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I agree 1000%. We male the playoffs with Jason campbell because we lost at least two games during the transition.
But Jason was our QB when the defense bent over against Buffalo. And last year when the defense bent over for Jacksonville.
Jason wasn’t gonna save us from bending over for Detroit. Plus Jason still wouldn’t have had Mcfadden or Moore or Ford for most of the season either.
I feel you brotha, but our defense is the absolute WORST in the league and we don’t deserve to be in the playoffs.
Losing 28-27 or 45-41 every single week wouldn’t have made us feel any better today.
99 and a half yards! Not one punt the whole game! That sh*t is unheard of!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
* post 142
“make” the playoffs. spelling correction.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
post 143 rather,lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Carl had hue did what we did vs sd first time with wiz at center and tonga at fb…that worked better for bush
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
How the hell hue couldn’t see that wiz was best center for team? Head coach? No
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I haven’t listened to today’s presser, but I do wish that Hue would eliminate the use of “ain’t” in his addresses and exchanges with the press. I don’t mind an occasional rhetorical use of it for the purpose of emphasis, but Hue uses it constantly.
He used it often yesterday in his presser. Come on, Hue, you are the representative of what is supposed to be a professional organization, an entire city and region, with fans world-wide. Please remember that when you speak.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Anyhow I’m out n about with my raider gear on still…I’m Code Black but upset
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Y’all be good
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Do you really care that a football coach uses the word ” ain’t”… I’d rather he stop the run or fix the clock management … But nit picking over saying ain’t?…….
Come on Man!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
I don’t think who was playing Center for the Raiders this year, had ANYTHING to do with the results.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
What’s even more jacked up about not making the playoffs, a Denver team is representing the AFC west who had all it could do to put up 3 points yesterday. Pitt D will eat them alive.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I thought about that today…. A Qb that threw for 50 yrds yesterday’s representing the Afc west… Schidttty
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
You can never underestimate the Raiders uncanny ability to shoot themselves in the arse with a Rifle. It ain’t easy.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
A Qb with a worse passing % than JaMarcus R.. Is hosting a playoff game next Sunday….. Talk about a strange year.. And won the Afc west….. I’m sick allover again….
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Deja Vu, You bring up a good point. The only good thing about losing yesterday will be watching the donks get pummelled next weekend.
Steelers/ Saints parlay!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
fingers Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I thought about that today…. A Qb that threw for 50 yrds yesterday’s representing the Afc west… Schidttty
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Because when you have a good defense you always give your team a chance. That’s why Tebow is representing the AFC West.
Because his defense didn’t bend over and grab their ankles. Even yesterday…The score was low scoring and close. That excuse about the defense getting tired and all that crap don’t mean nothing.
Both KC and Denver have much better defenses than we do. KC beat Aaron Rodgers for crying out loud.
With our 9th ranked offense, if we had any semblance of an NFL caliber defense, we run away with the division and might even go to the AFC championship game. That’s real talk!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Tim Tebow representing an NFL team equals Rick Perry being the President of the United States…… Just isn’t right….
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Armchair.., yes.. It was the defense in Donktown…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Armchair… That’s a little diffrent subject than I was talking about but your exactly right…. I was just refering to Qb …and his particular play..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Our defense bent over prison style all season long, like they were auditioning for the new season of OZ on HBO.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Worst Raider defense I’ve ever seen…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Okay, it is pretty clear from his own words that hue wants complete control and that is simply laughable. If a gm is hired and his name is not hue Jackson then things will get ugly between hc and gm. Therefore, hue must go. Besides that, a 1-4 finish with the one win ugly as shiznit is reason enough for termination.
Get rid of hue and let the new gm hire there guy. Hue blew his chance for any sort of job security. Al is gone. We can finally go after real head coaches and coordinators. No reason to settle for al’s bottom of the barell junk staff.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Couldn’t make 1 stop … Just couldn’t do it ..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Hue is a ‘no excuses’ HC?,
yet he dumped it onthe Players and Chuck B after the season ends too early?
He kept Chuckie B around like a Challenge Flag…
Throw him and a few players under the bus, and keep the job….desperate.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Fingers…head coach is over whole team so defense is his fault
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Yeah, but look at how many teams with a new O’Coordinator or D’Coordinator suddenly make a DRASTIC change. Like, when Cable hired Hue on Offense, the offense rocketed up the standings from 31st to 8th.
If we keep Hue and hire a good D-Coordinator who can shoot up from 29th to the top 10, we’d DEFINITELY be a playoff team. Because you know Hue and Al Saunders will make that offense move.
So, rather than just blow up the whole darned thing, I think the more rational, logical and productive choice is just to find a REAL Defensive Coordinator and take it from there.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Teams outside the division that i hate with a passion are NE and Pitt. I can put my hatred for Pitt to the side for one week and hope they demolish Denver. I don’t think i’d feel one bit bad if both Big Ben and Brady tore all their ligaments in their knees in the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Well I was at the lakers nuggs game yesterday (which fing sucked) and if it makes any of u feel better the bronco fans were depressed and not proud of making the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Just keeping Marshall and the #11 “D” from last year and we’re in the playoffs and are a real threat for going far.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Marshall isn’t anything AMAZING…so if we get a really good, innovative D-Coordinator like Hue was on Offense last year. Who knows the schemes and knows how to make the most use out of the players we have. Suddenly we’re pretty good again.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
fingers Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Couldn’t make 1 stop … Just couldn’t do it ..
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99 and a HALF yards. Unfreakin-believable.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I can’t hold Hue responsible for the D…. The first thing Hue will say is … I didn’t pick the coachs … I didn’t draft or sign the players….
It was Al’s Defense… Al’s players ….. Al’s coachs…. Had hue been the guy that hired Bresnahan , picked the Players , hired the coachs I’d blame Hue…..
Anyone think that it wasn’t Defense that cost us a playoff spot.. ?..
It was defense…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The fatal mistake was allowing hue to run the team this season instead of naming an interim gm. Hue needed to concentrate on being a first year hc, not gm. Now his ego has exploded and he needs to be put down like a wild animal before he does any further damage.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
it’s a game of inches…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Just keeping Marshall and the #11 “D” from last year and we’re in the playoffs and are a real threat for going far.
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I agree. The defense from last year would have gotten us into the playoffs, with the improvement of DHB and the addition of Denarius Moore, we definitely win at LEAST 2 more games.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
except when our “D” is on the field…then it’s a game of yards…
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:38 pm
And if the New GM wants a new headcoach … I’m allover it.. Do it..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:39 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:35 pm
fingers Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Couldn’t make 1 stop … Just couldn’t do it ..
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99 and a HALF yards. Unfreakin-believable.
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Didn’t they give up a 99 yard drive to Detroit in their cmeback?
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:37 pm
The fatal mistake was allowing hue to run the team this season instead of naming an interim gm. Hue needed to concentrate on being a first year hc, not gm. Now his ego has exploded and he needs to be put down like a wild animal before he does any further damage.
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Nah, not a choice to hire a GM mid season. I guess you could’ve said Mr. Davis should’ve hired one before the season started, which would’ve been correct. But, he probably believed he’d live longer.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Not to make excuses for Hue, because he had his fair share of gaffes, but Al Davis freakin DIED smack in the middle of the season. Remember that!
Maybe Hue was worried about how it would look if he made sweeping changes to the team that Al put together, ESPECIALLY on DEFENSE.
There are many things to factor in this thing. But if there is one thing that has become abundantly clear is this:
Retread coaches DON’T WORK here in Oakland! Art Shell Tom Walsh II and Bresnehan II has failed miserably.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Armchair…agree..
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
I said Bres should have been fired after giving up that 98 yard drive to Detroit.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
And for sure it doesn’t mean the GM will hire a new Head Coach. Normally they get brought in when there’s a “Clean house” going on with a major 1-15 type season.
We’re 8-8 and almost made the playoffs. It’s not “destroy everything”. It’s upgrade the parts that didn’t work well. It’s not a HUGE upgrade needed. I think a REAL D-Coordinator would’ve made the difference in 2 wins minimum. So we’d be in the playoffs now and wouldn’t be sitting here whinning like a bunch of whipped beatches. So, let’s just upgrade what needs upgrading. Some new personnel on “D” and a new D-coordinator. Plug some small upgrades (like Right Tackle) on the offense. Not huge changes needed on that side of the ball.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
That D is a joke and the new GM has to revamp that side of the ball. You can’t spot opponents 30 points a game and let them score on every damn drive! These guys are getting paid big bucks and we the fans don’t deserve to watch that nonsense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:43 pm
First thing is getting a high caliber GM… Let him sort this mess out….
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I didn’t say hire a gm mid season, I said we should have hired an interim gm that could have taken on the day to day duties that held Jackson back from his more important job of being the fkin hc!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Yep… The 2011 defense needs to be blown up….buried and the ground salted …
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:48 pm
If Hue stays we lose another year….. What Jack ass would drop a D Hagan and pick up a Housh and not seek any OLine help…. He’s the biggest douche yet
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Wannstedt was promoted to D coordinator in Buffalo. I didn’t even realize he was on their staff. Meanwhile in Oak, Chucky B still has a job.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
The only players on defense that should be retained? Can not think of many. Matt s, Houston, Bryant, the young dbs. The rest can all go fk themselves, branch included. How many contract year phenoms do we have to get burned by before we learn our lesson?
McClain, routt, curry, wimbley, huff, Kelly, Seymour…are all part of the problem, not the solution. Can not replace them all in one year, but we can start trimming the fat with that pos McClain and the worthless penalty-td allowing phenom routt and then use there money to sign others. Should be able to find suckers to give us some late round picks for the fktards.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
You guys tearin Hue a new one for the Oline are clueless! they started the season giving up less than a sack a game after the first 5 or 6 and DMC was leading the league in rushing!
Barnes and Cooper will be replaced in time, maybe next year but he only had what Al gave him this year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Now that the season is over, my therapist says it is ok for me to talk Raiders again. She says I get too worked up over it. Fire Hue, I aint getting any younger. Get someone who can do the job. Next man up!
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Auto correct on this iPhone is pizzing me off lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Well…. I just read Hue’s Q&A again and I’m glad he’s so comfortable with so many things.
It does seem like he realizes that he went too far with his “more control” crap in the presser yesterday.
It doesn’t really look like he’s as far into the loop on the GM search as he would like everyone to think.
I think maybe Mark told him to tone it down some. That he”l let Hue know which direction they’re going when he needs to know.
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
The o-line became a major dissapointment after the good start. Need to replace rt, rg and c.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Stanford freakin Routt had 17 penalties BY HIMSELF!!!!
And he had the nerve to try and justify the defense and say that they are a GOOD defense!
By the way, did anybody see Jarvis Moss in the post game presser right after the game? That man was in tears. He broke down like 3 different times.
I’m not saying that he’s great or anything, but that’s the kind of passion that I want to see from my team. Act like it means more than just collecting a paycheck!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Dakota Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:59 pm
The o-line became a major dissapointment after the good start. Need to replace rt, rg and c.
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Amen. Let me back you up and add the appropriate names to those positions….
i.e. Samson Satele, Cooper Carlisle and Khalif Barnes.
Thanks for your time here, but it’s time to go. Why the hell are they here anyway? They were acquired for Tom Cables zone blocking scheme that favored lighter, supposedly, more agile linemen.
If we are currently using a POWER scheme, why the hell are they still here!!!!!
I have to step away, I had calmed down, and now I’m getting all worked up again.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Stanford Routt, aka “toast”, should have played his last game wearing silver & black. If he’s not holding or interfering, he’s getting scorched. You can get that for less than 10% of what he got paid.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:05 pm
People, Hue claimed he was gonna take a bigger role in the organization cuz Mark and Amy prolly gave him the OK. You don’t just come out and make a statement like that unless your nuts. Get real…….hmmmm…..
On a side note, Raider emotional stock has crashed.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Routt was a pos for his first several years in the NFL Snd after al awarded him a giant contract is it such a shock that he was still a pos cb?
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:08 pm
190.Deja vu Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Wannstedt was promoted to D coordinator in Buffalo. I didn’t even realize he was on their staff. Meanwhile in Oak, Chucky B still has a job.
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The reason those guys got canned now is those teams have been out of the playoffs for awhile now and these moves have been in the works; waiting for season to end.
With Raiders, they expected to be in the playoffs and maybe even last a few weeks.
I don’t think Mark et al. thought we’d be out of it at this point.
The wheels of Bresnahans departure better be in motion though.
I think he tried, but he just doesn’t have what it takes.
-10 men on the field multiple times.
-Guys constantly “missing assignments” and “not executing”.
-98 yds.
…and as a bonus:
-99 1/2 yards.
-Weak azz, soft, zone coverages at crucial times
-No pressure on Rivers (the guy never even hit the ground)
You name it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Hey guys, remember 2006?
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Yeah, why were we playing zone?
We’re much better in MAN COVERAGE.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:10 pm
ArmChair,
I didn’t see the presser but you’re absolutely right! The entire team should treat this game other than just a job and paycheck and play with more passion. It’s sad because at the end of the day most of them are smiling and driving off in their BMW’s. They should be embarassed of themselves. I think the $ kills the passion.
I’m not a big fan of Routt either. Al hooked this dude up and always raping the wr he covers. He may make some big plays but more often than not, he’s drawing the yellow flag.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
197.ArmChair GM Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Stanford freakin Routt had 17 penalties BY HIMSELF!!!!
And he had the nerve to try and justify the defense and say that they are a GOOD defense!
By the way, did anybody see Jarvis Moss in the post game presser right after the game? That man was in tears. He broke down like 3 different times.
I’m not saying that he’s great or anything, but that’s the kind of passion that I want to see from my team. Act like it means more than just collecting a paycheck!
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It would’ve been nice if Jarvis had made a freaking play instead of crying about it afterwords.
That being said, i too love his passion and those are the guys we need. Ones who care.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Can we please stop bringing up Hagan? He’s been a journeyman wr his whole career. He had 1 good preseason game and people act like he was the second coming of Jerry Rice. Cutting Hagan is not the reason we missed the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:14 pm
McClain is a huge cancer. Some cancers can be tolerated with treatment because they have skills …. McClain has no skills, so cut his malignant ass out!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Al messed us up good when he:
1)Replaced Nnamdi with Routt and gave #26 Nnamdi money
2)Made Wimbley a franchise player
3)Made Bres his puppet d coordinator
4)Left Boller as our 2nd QB
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Well I thought I would be reading about a new GM and DC right about now.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
only D players that I know will be back for the Raiders are:
Mr. Shaughnessy, Mr. Curry, and Mr. Branch (as long as we resign him).
DL:
I think Mr. Henderson retires, although we will miss him and I would be okay with us resigning him as a back up in either a 4-3 or 3-4,
I still can see Mr. Seymour retiring or being traded, even he left that open in his post-season remarks.
Mr. Houston & Mr. Bryant will either be on the team or be traded, way too valuable to get cut.
Mr. Scott, Mr. Moss, & Mr. Bodine- multiple possibilities.
LBs:
Mr. McClain I hope will be traded, too valuable to be cut, to much head tilting to be on the team;
Mr. Blackstock & Mr. Groves were solid on special teams
Mr. Goethel should be given another shot, but he has got to get on the field in real games;
Raiders must address the LB via draft , trade, and free agency; we need at least 2-4 new linebackers depending on 4-3 or 3-4 scheme;
Secondary:
Resign Mr. Branch & Mr. Giordano
all others open to trade, cur, or play
I hope Raiders do keep Mr. Woodson as DB coach for at least one more year …and beyond.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:18 pm
#207, it was too
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Pretty Rick Says:
Can we please stop bringing up Hagan? He’s been a journeyman wr his whole career.
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Only if we can stop talking about the journeyman positions coach Hue Jackson.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Haggen is a guy like moss and DHB playing hard and contribute on special teams. What did housh do? No special teams and no catches.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:23 pm
“The rest can all go fk themselves, branch included. How many contract year phenoms do we have to get burned by before we learn our lesson?”
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Ha ha ha ha ha ha! Little send off to the D for the off season! Love it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I see 9 wins minimum next season
4-2 in division
wins over Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, & Cincinnati> these are the games we should win;
Pittsburg, Baltimore, New Orleans, Atlanta, Carolina> Raiders will definately need to improve on defense to defeat more than half of these teams.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Thank goodness Hue differed to M Davis about decisions even saying he could be fired. I am for keeping him but he needs to be reigned in by a strong GM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Can you imagine what would have happened if Raider defense played Saints this year? Whoa baby!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:26 pm
Hagan is a nice guy but he didn’t play defense which was the biggest problem all year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Wow. Strange presser. Hue needs to QUIT taking the blame as he did all season. Doesn’t sound good. Takes the accountability away from the players. After reading the presser, we could have been 13-3 maybe, but our d failed. The staff lost them. Strange fcking turn of events.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
Couldnt be much worse than what happend when we played the packers, Cole.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The OL was fine. Palmer was hardly ever being pressured all year. He had plenty of time to do what he wanted to do. How many times was he sacked? Not many. There were a few moments of duress, but overall the OLINE is the very least of our problems.
If our POS defense simply:
-Made ONE DAMN STOP against Buffalo
-ONE STOP against Detroit
-ONE STOP against San Diego
…we would be sitting at 11-5.
Everything else on this team was good enough to be a #3 seed and AFC West champs.
FOCUS ON THE D!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Pretty Rick Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Can we please stop bringing up Hagan? He’s been a journeyman wr his whole career. He had 1 good preseason game and people act like he was the second coming of Jerry Rice. Cutting Hagan is not the reason we missed the playoffs.
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Exactly. For some posters, every single player we get rid of was suddenly a miscast All-Pro.
Every coach we let go was the next Lombardi.
I remember some posters who thought the world would end when Cable was canned, or Gradkowski left, or when we didn’t draft some sixth-round Nose Tackle (who was in and out of the league in two seasons, both spent as a third-stringer). I even remember the wailing and gnashing of teeth when we let Ken-Yon Rambo or Scott Dreisbach or Justin Fargas go. What did any of those guys do after they left? Exactly.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
My wish list for this offseason:
Dean Pees as DC
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 4th and 5th
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $30 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, and Stanford Routt, and Carson Palmer if they haven’t already.
Then they need to re-sign Tyvon Branch, Marcel Reece, Desmond Bryant, Stephon Heyer, Matt Giordano, Jon Condo, and make a competitive offer to Samson Satele.
2 – RB Doug Martin or RB Ryan Wilson
3 – CB Leonard Johnson
3 (comp) – OL Lucas Nix
4 – OL Alex Hurst
4 – LB Nigel Bradham
4 (comp.) DE Jake Bequette
5 – DT Marcus Forston
5 – WR Lavasier Tuinei
6 – S Harrison Smith or S George Iloka
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, in particular to help the Raiders seal the edge against the run and pressure the QB with their four-man front. So:
Sign DE Cliff Avril
Sign DT Red Bryant
Sign MLB Dan Connor
Sign WLB Manny Lawson or DeAndre Levy
Sign RB Mike Tolbert
Sign QB Shaun Hill or Chad Henne
Let go of WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh, QB Kyle Boller, OT Khalif Barnes, OG Cooper Carlisle, LB Darryl Blackstock, DE Trevor Scott, DE Mason Brodine, DT John Henderson, S Jerome Boyd, CB Bryan McCann, CB Chris Johnson
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
wins over Miami, Jacksonville, Tampa Bay, Cleveland, & Cincinnati> these are the games we should win
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I bet the Miami fans said the same thing about the Raiders game the last two seasons. And they were right.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:37 pm
What we also did yesterday:
Put Denver into the playoffs. Gave them the experience, weather they win of lose, of the post season, and no doubt will come away hungry.
Probably extended Norvs’ tenure another year. I don’t give a crap one way or another, but we gave away our little streak on them.
Demoralized the fan base. Stole the gut right out of the belly. Set this team back so that it will have this loss as a stigma to shake.
99 and a half fcking yards. The rest is history.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The OL was fine. Palmer was hardly ever being pressured all year. He had plenty of time to do what he wanted to do. How many times was he sacked? Not many. There were a few moments of duress, but overall the OLINE is the very least of our problems.
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No consistency in the run game.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Some people in here were saying that under hue the team improved over cable’s team since we played for the afc west yesterday….that is the biggest load of crap I have ever heard…only reason we were playing forth afc west at 8-7 is because there was no double digit win team going into sunday like kc was last year….hue himself even admitted, 8-8 is 8-8, any way you slice it period…..only this is the raiders, 8-8 is not only unacceptable it is magnified, because this team has not been to the playoffs in 9 years, hasn’t won a sb in 27 years!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
People who want to give hue 2-3 years to build a contender are little pu$$yz, You should STFU and let the MEN here rip hue a new one for being over his head and all smoke and mirrors….I have zero patience, have been following this team since 1990 religiously and have been rewarded with 6 playoff appearances in 21 seasons, that is crap anyway you slice it, every coach says the exact same crap to buy more time for himself except of course for lance, who I respect for showing the manb@llz even though I never wanted him hired.
I can live with hubris one more year, but next year is playoffs or BUST, and I don’t mean one and done either. But stop with this 3 year nonsense, he inherited a .500 team who he should have guided to the playoffs, cable inherited a 4-12 team with Jamarcus as his qb.
All those people who knock cable for his play calling and offensive scheme are idiots, he had jawalrus as his qb, Bill Walsh could have coached this team, and I guarantee you with jawalrus he would have probably fared no better. Not saying cable deserves to be the coach still, but hue should have improved this team to at least 9-7 which coincidentally would have been good enough this year to win the west, instead he blew it and all you idiots want to give him a pass, makes me nauseous thinking about it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
To think we would be discussing coaching changes, without discussing Huellywood’s inept ability to recognize that at least 2 players(Campbell and McFadden) wouldn’t be available and should have been placed on the injured reserve is one of the most troubling aspects for me. Campbell’s injury replicated Romo’s injury of last year and he was placed on injured reserve. Campbell was not. That is a change of pace back, secondary option or better athletic ability on special teams. Unacceptable jugdement and oversight. Not recognizing that McFadden would be available or even worse, not having a plan for a replacement change of pace or speed back is equally unacceptable.
The discipline under Huellywood on this team was non existent. If he is retained for another year then a GM must REIGN him in totally to prevent another disasterous year. The talent level on this team is virtually unmatched. The coaching, starting at the top is horrendous. I beliEve it is time to flush the toilet and get a disiplinarian like Jeff Fischer ASAP.
I am not going to waste time going over every instance of clock mismanagement, play selection or any of the inexcusable incidents of abysmal coaching, however, it is quite eveident that Huellywood was in way over his head. I can hear the toilet flushing now and Huellywood and sully screaming for a lift raft…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Tampa fired their entire offensive coaching staff. Why don’t the Raiders fire their entire defensive coaching staff, the stuck up the season and blew another playoff season for us. A positive for Hue, he was unable to pick all of his coaches, he should be given that opportunity immediately. Another note for Hue, his play calling is so predictable, most always does a run play on first down. Also, a lot of teams in playoffs use their tight ends often. We have a great tight end in Keven Boss and he should be used more regular. Do not delay hiring a new DC, because other teams are looking. Fire entire defensive coaching staff already!
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:51 pm
228. I usually don’t agree with you but your post is spot on. Sound familiar….”WE AREN’T LOSERS ANYMORE”….
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:54 pm
I agree johnny this is NOT the year to wait on interviewing potential ex HCs for our DC job. Worked wonders for the texans. Also we have to get a bad azz GM now or we will miss out on the best ones there as well.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I meant already fired HCs not potential.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Also we have to get a bad azz GM now or we will miss out on the best ones there as well.
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This, is simply talking out of your ass. Want to interview Reggie McKenzie, Elliot Wolf or Eric DeCosta? Well you can’t until their teams get knocked out of the playoffs.
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:59 pm
MIKE LOMBARDI……..WITHIN 2 WEEKS……UNLESS MARK DAVIS HAS THE SAME PENCHANT FOR FLAIR AND DRAMA LIKE MR. DAVIS DID AND WANTS CENTER STAGE……
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
What we also did yesterday:
Put Denver into the playoffs. Gave them the experience, weather they win of lose, of the post season, and no doubt will come away hungry.
Probably extended Norvs’ tenure another year. I don’t give a crap one way or another, but we gave away our little streak on them.
Demoralized the fan base. Stole the gut right out of the belly. Set this team back so that it will have this loss as a stigma to shake.
99 and a half fcking yards. The rest is history.
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Yes, yes and yes but one good thing came out of it which is that the whole D will have a serious makeover going into next year, I expect chuck in addition to half the secondary, and d line, maybe even McLain to be given their walking papers after this performance or lack thereof, had we one these chumps may have been retained after losing the first playoff game. Not making the playoffs may actually have done more good than harm. I still feel an intense burning pain in my gut but I will take solace in the fact I won’t ever have to watch some of these losers on defense EVER again.
I expect the new GM to go after STAR players on defense via trade or FA.
I expect the raiders to go hard after Mario Williams, maybe Lance Briggs or Terrell Suggs. We need to go after a game changing safety also whoever that is.
I expect a new DC to be hired with actual knowledge of NFL defensive football not some pansy.
I expect the defense to show up next year and actually make a team punt every once in awhile. get a three and out here and there, stop making chump running backs into stars, stop teams on third down and actually produce turnovers. That will not happen though with the current roster, Mark I hope you take action ASAP and don’t let hue bring in former bun gals anymore!!
next year will be
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:00 pm
#229
I can understand not putting Mr. Campbell on IR that way we have him for a playoff run, but to not put Mr. McFadden on IR, especially with Mr. Jones out just did not amke any sense;
other than the fact that the Raiders did have the highest payroll and were doing what Indianapolis did with Peyton Manning and simply save some real cash.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:02 pm
224.YoungAmerican Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
My wish list for this offseason:
Dean Pees as DC
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 4th and 5th
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $30 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, and Stanford Routt, and Carson Palmer if they haven’t already.
Then they need to re-sign Tyvon Branch, Marcel Reece, Desmond Bryant, Stephon Heyer, Matt Giordano, Jon Condo, and make a competitive offer to Samson Satele.
2 – RB Doug Martin or RB Ryan Wilson
3 – CB Leonard Johnson
3 (comp) – OL Lucas Nix
4 – OL Alex Hurst
4 – LB Nigel Bradham
4 (comp.) DE Jake Bequette
5 – DT Marcus Forston
5 – WR Lavasier Tuinei
6 – S Harrison Smith or S George Iloka
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, in particular to help the Raiders seal the edge against the run and pressure the QB with their four-man front. So:
Sign DE Cliff Avril
Sign DT Red Bryant
Sign MLB Dan Connor
Sign WLB Manny Lawson or DeAndre Levy
Sign RB Mike Tolbert
Sign QB Shaun Hill or Chad Henne
Let go of WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh, QB Kyle Boller, OT Khalif Barnes, OG Cooper Carlisle, LB Darryl Blackstock, DE Trevor Scott, DE Mason Brodine, DT John Henderson, S Jerome Boyd, CB Bryan McCann, CB Chris Johnson
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definately sign Mr. Tolbert
I would like to see Mr. Carlisle stay he played great for us this year; wesimply need to move mr. Wisniewski to Center and keep Mr. Satele as his back up.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Well Mr. Young I didnt think front office people are under the same no contact rules as Coaches.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
237. To not recognize that Campbell would be unavailable for any action is far worse in my opinion. Check my posts from immediately after the Campbell injury. Romo had the exact same procedure with the identical time parameters on his non throwing shoulder and was placed on injured reserve. To further illustrate Huellywood’s ineptness is the fact that Campbell and his agent wouldn’t have allowed him to be marketed as a backup. He would have been a backup….PERIOD….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Young American
I agree wth a lot of your suggestions and observation BUT no more 4-3 defense configuration. If you look at all the successful D’s they are 3-4. There’s a reason for that as they are more easy to disguise where the pressure is to come from. WE ABSOLUTELY MUST CONVERT TO A 3-4 D. Romac is a 3-4 ILB. Is thee a mystery why he’s so bad in a 4-3? There shouldn’t be. Romac & Curry would work well as a 3-4 ILB. We need either a restructured Wimbley and/or a Vontaze Burfict type lunatic on the edge OLB position. There wil e a ton of UFA available and that’s where we will find our NT and DB’s. As you pointed out a new knowledgeable DC is a must.
On offense we need to fix the C, RG & RT position. I’ve been saying that all year. MBush is an ordinary RB. He’s not starter material. He’s been figured out much like Tebow has right now. DMac needs to be assessed to see if he’s a permanent injury prospect or if he’s dependable. I’d absolutely love it if we can keep BOTH Palmer & JCampbell. Probably not likely but stranger things have happened. Hue needs to let Saunders call the plays so he can better manage the on the field play by roaming around patting and kicking where necessary.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Loved the passion in the interview.
NO DOUBT that Hue is going to be pro-active in free agency, and knows what it takes to build a team.
Mr. Davis routinely just signed the Super Bowl MVP, or a marquee name, with no real rhyme or reason, no concept of building.
Hue’s going to bring in some no-nonsense players, and ship out the half-efforts.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I’m pretty sure we can hire McKenzie, Wolf, DeCosta as they would be getting promoted moving across.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
JB
excellent post. Will disagree about Hue giving up playcalling. Hue’s playcalling turned the entire franchise around. I don’t want to go with an unknown in Saunders, over a known top-10 offense with Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:11 pm
I’m not beholden to 4-3 or 3-4. The teams who play the best defense switch between both looks so often it barely matters. The most important part is finding the right coach for the job.
3-4 defensive coordinator candidates:
Dennis Thurman
Winston Moss
Kevin Greene
Mike Nolan
Dean Pees
4-3 defensive coordinator candidates:
Steve Spagnuolo
Jack Del Rio
Dean Pees
I like Dean Pees because he’s had experience running both systems effectively.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Can someone explain to me why Bill Polian is not on the Concorde to interview for the Raider GM position?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I expect the defense to show up next year and actually make a team punt every once in awhile. get a three and out here and there, stop making chump running backs into stars, stop teams on third down and actually produce turnovers. That will not happen though with the current roster, Mark I hope you take action ASAP and don’t let hue bring in former bun gals anymore!!
next year will be IT for Hue.
autopalm77, Jeff Fisher is NOT the answer, two seasons of going 8-8 is enough
he had like 20 plus years to win and he only managed one sb loss
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Raiders only priority bigger than hiring a GM, is who and when the Davis’ sell the team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Alex, Huellywood’s playcalling was stale and perdictable. Red zone efficiency was pathetic. Gimmackery was over the top and extremely inconsistant. Statistically maybe it was acceptible to you, however, the scoring statistics don’t reinforce your point, at ALL…….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
YA
would you rather have a guy with experience as a DC, or take a chance on an up-and-comer?
Hue being an O guy might want the security of a guy who’s been there, done that. THoughts?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Adoios Nation
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
I’m not a fan of Bill Polian’s track record in the draft. Lots of blown picks, very little depth on that team, as evidenced this season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
If only Mark Davis had taken a genuine interest in the Raiders (even from a business standpoint) he would be more like Jim Irsay (son of Robert) who has a finger on the pulse at all times (football and business side) and was able to immediately with his own business ‘acumen’ fire the Polians.
But it works fine anyway with Mark as is, because he has three great minds in Wolf, Madden, and Herock, to advise him. But ultimately he needs to develop himself so he can make these decisions himself in the future — knowing when to fire a GM.
GM, not coaching staff….that’s up to the GM to decide, not the owner.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Raider Priorities:
1) New ownership
2) GM
3) Location
4) DC
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Alex7, post 228 was directed at you. You are actually happy with the progress this season and want to give hue another 3 years to build a contender? Thank god you are not on the raiders staff making franchise key decisions and I only hope that whoever they bring in does not possess the same ineptitude you exhibit.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Autopalm
Why have we in the last two seasons scored more points than 70% of the league?
Shouldn’t opposing DCs be able to stop a STALE and PREDICTABLE offense?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Fifth priority is, do we trade Mr. Pryor for a first round if a team offers us one?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:14 pm
YA
would you rather have a guy with experience as a DC, or take a chance on an up-and-comer?
Hue being an O guy might want the security of a guy who’s been there, done that. THoughts?
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I’m good with either, honestly. I’d prefer if it were a coach who believes he can make an impact while keeping the roster mostly in tact. The Raiders don’t have a lot of picks or money to spend, and there’s no guarantee they’ll be able to make the necessary moves – restructuring contracts, trading players, acquiring picks, FA signings – to completely rebuild the defense.
For me, that’s why I like Dean Pees. Under-the-radar candidate who has run successful defenses before, and has done so with defenses that don’t possess a whole lot of talent. He can run 4-3, 3-4, and has worked in two winning organizations.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Boss, I don’t know why I agreed with you. First time for everything. The penalties are acceptible to you, as well as, the lack of discipline. At this point I would prefer R. Lee Ermay as opposed to Huellywood….I firmly believe that you live and learn, and if you don’t learn from past mistakes, then you need to be drug out and shot….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
I don’t know YA, 4 Super Bowl appearances in Buff, built Carolina from scratch and then winning it all with Manning? Sounds good to me. Everone has blown picks.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Unless the Raiders sell the team, I’m pretty sure Mr. Jackson will be the head coach in 2012.
The offense has had consistent improvement for two years, and been a top ten offense two years in a row, without the same qb under all 16 games for both seasons.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
boss,
the defense dropped from 11 to 28th.
That’s not progress. It also has nothing to do with Hue, until this off-season when he’s finally allowed to bring in his own D staff and players.
What about that do you disagree with?
You think Gruden game-planned D? You think Sean Peyton does?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RR,
thank you for a rational, intelligent post.
Raider head coaches run the O. That’s how it’s always been.
Our O the last two years has been better than anything since 2002. That’s called…
PROGRESS by Hue’s side.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Raiders should trade their 2014 & 2015 first round draft picks for Green Bay’s QB, Flynn.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Alex, was the inability to make adjustments at halftime that undetectable for you. Huellywood was outcoached in virtually every game this year. I know, you must have just watched the first half of the games and then checked the stats on Monday’s….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Hue is just trying to save face. Here’s why…
He admits that he is wearing too many hats, reason for Palmer complaining about a HC not being there in meetings. But then demands more hat wearing for 2012! Ie, he contradicts himself and doesn’t understand what he’s saying.
Also, he goes on and on about being involved in the decisions moving forward, making out he is firmly footed in the organization, but then admits it’s up to Mark and he HOPES he will be back, admits he will know more later. Ie, he just mouths off with all this certainty about himself and control in the organization for the media’s ears, when really he knows he has to just shut up and wait for the post-season evaluations and talks with front office.
There are plenty more examples of this in the interview. Like saying, “8-8 is 8-8 any way you slice it BUT we DID progress this year and are better this year blah blah”.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Loved the passion in the interview.
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Passion mixed with a tremendous amount of babble. Also known and sometimes referred to as ‘Huespeak’.
Love the man, he just needs to keep more of his ‘Huespeak’ under his hat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
why would teams that didn’t use a 2nd rounder on Pryor suddenly spend a 1st rounder on him?
The kid is Tarvaris Jackson 2.0
athlete first, QB second.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raiders need at least 5 new starters on defense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Alex7 the defense fell off a cliff. You say it wasn’t Jacksons fault. Well Carson said he wasn’t working with him, where the fook was he? Getting his nails done??
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Let’s see Seymour:
Defensive players: Al’s
Defensive philosophy: Al’s
Defensive coaching: Chuck’s
Defensive adjustments: Chuck’s
Defensive play-calling: Chuck’s
Weird, I see who to blame quite easily, as do 100% of NFL people.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Actually yes, I believe he was getting a pedicure and a facial…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:26 pm
actually I think it is up to Mrs. Al Davis currently, technically speaking.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Raiders D has been ranked, on average:
28th vs the run and
22nd overall the last 9 years.
Hey, let’s blame the first year coach who calls the O!
Bunch of geniuses in here.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Oakland enjoy your Raiders home games for one more season, because the new owners will be moving the team to Los Angeles.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Alex, I’m all for giving him another year with major changes on D based on a new GM’s decisions and little input from Hue, but next year will be IT, I don’t want to hear the crap about Gruden taking 3 years to build a team and therefore Hue should too.
PLUS, the penalties on D, the boneheaded plays, are strictly ON Hue. There was no progress made in that department at all despite all the promises that he would “fix it”.
That means he does not command respect or fear and players have simply tuned him out because he is NOT a leader plain and simple.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Alex, blame is for losers. There is but one Head Coach…..”Lonely is the head that wears the crown”…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Garbanzo,
did you also want Gruden to tone it down?
Did you love Art Shell better?
lol, asking a 40-something year old to change their life-long personality.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Truthfully, I didn’t know Bill Polian was behind those Buffalo teams.
It’ll be interesting to see if he’s brought in for an interview. From what I’ve heard, the Davis and Trask are looking at candidates with ties to the organization, but surely it wouldn’t hurt to bring in a few outsiders as well.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
“Help me I am drowning”…..Huellywood…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
lol autopalm
blame is for losers, then you blame someone.
Classic.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:30 pm
SUMMARY:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
boss
ever occur to you that we lead the league in penalties every year, because the owner we had EVERY year brought in low IQ athletes?
that EVER cross your mind?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
I agree with #237, was shocked that McFadden was not placed on IR and brought up another running back from the practice squad. This next preseason if Jones and some of the other young CB’s get injured right away it would be time to get rid of them and bring in some others who will stay healthy. Need to cut all divas from payroll who did not show up and could care less about trying to wing the division, I do not want to see these lame lazy bums next year in Raider uniform. Kelly and Seymour are fat and lazy and need young blood to replace them. Huff and Routt are over paid cut both of them.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:31 pm
did it ever occur to you…
that we have lots of penalties (mostly on D) EVERY YEAR because the D isn’t taught very well?
And our owner ALWAYS brought in cheap coaches?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Alex, you can use it, I haven’t patented it as intellectual property…Better hurry….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Alex Jackson himself said he inherited a decent defense. It went backwards. He was the top football guy in the org. Who is to blame? His manicurist?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:34 pm
johnny,
what would our practice squad running back do? Take carries from Bush? Leap-from Rock Cartwright? Take a special team player’s starting gig?
What would he do?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Alex Jackson himself said he inherited a decent defense. It went backwards. He was the top football guy in the org. Who is to blame? His manicurist?
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His psycic?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Seymour,
what’s your highest completed grade in school?
When the D fails under a new DC, you probably blame the DC.
2nd place is losing your top defensive player.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Alex, you usually display a modicum of intelligence, however, instruction has nothing to do with a TOTAL lack of discipline. I would quit, as your nearing the whirpool in the toilet with Huellywood and sully, I will throw you a life raft….Quite or I may not hear your screams….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Alex,
didn’t lead the league every year, near the top yes, but not every year and CERTAINLY did not set the records every year. The penalties record stood for 13 years by KC until Hue took over the reigns, does that kind of sink in a little bit to you, can u try at least try to fit a square peg into a square hole and not a round one?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Bill Polian is the best personnel guy in the league. That irsay just got rid of him is crazy. Or quitessential Irsay depending how you look at it.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
it’s unfortunate how low the IQ of the blog is.
You guys were anti 3-4 the last two years.
You guys were excited about the Seymour trade (I told you it was pointless on a 5-11 team).
You want to trade DMac for a 2nd round pick and have ZERO starting RBs.
You want to replace an 8-8 rookie coach with someone like Fisher, who went 1-6, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8, and 8-8 his first 5 seasons.
Sad.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
CODE BLACK 2012 (coming soon to a football stadium near you)
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Alex7 just pwned his own argument lol.
Alex said…
did it ever occur to you…
that we have lots of penalties (mostly on D) EVERY YEAR because the D isn’t taught very well?
And our owner ALWAYS brought in cheap coaches?
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and there you have it WHY hue is to blame for everything, he is the HEAD coach, and isn’t very good at it, admits so in his presser, he spent all year on training wheels learning on the job. GREAT.
Why a new GM bringing in someone who knows what he’s doing and can delegate play-calling to DC and OC.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
227.silverback Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 7:27 pm
The OL was fine. Palmer was hardly ever being pressured all year. He had plenty of time to do what he wanted to do. How many times was he sacked? Not many. There were a few moments of duress, but overall the OLINE is the very least of our problems.
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No consistency in the run game.
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With all respect, I would submit that the lack of consistency in the run game has alot to do with having to hand off to what amounts to a big fullback on every running play.
Even saying that, our offense was good enough to be an 11-5 team.
That defense choked away THREE games.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:39 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:37 pm
it’s unfortunate how low the IQ of the blog is.
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Code Black will be back, brought to you by the Silver and Black
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Alex of course doesn’t mention the plethora of offensive penalties, bone-headed stuff like false starts and lineman downfield as ineligible receivers.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:38 pm
That defense choked away THREE games.
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They puked it, then choked on their own puke.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
GG, you can’t forget the, what, 4 illegal formation calls in the past 3 games……!!!!!! i DIDN’T KNOW THE FORMATIONS WERE ILLEGAL………WTF…..
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Polian 1st round draft picks:
Manning
Edgerrin James
Reggie Wayne
Dwight Freeney
Dallas Clark
Marlin Jackson
Donald Brown
that’s impressive.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
You want to trade DMac for a 2nd round pick and have ZERO starting RBs.
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Zero starting RBs is what the Raiders have had for half the games in Darren McFadden’s career.
His cap hit is $6 million next season, by the way.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
GG, about 65% of the penalties were on the defense.
Gruden couldn’t fix it. Norv couldn’t (wasn’t a problem in San Diego), Kiffin couldn’t, Shell and his discipline couldn’t, Hue hasn’t.
It falls on Al Davis and the low IQ players he brings in.
Common factor.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
How cool will it be guys, when we have a team locked down deep in their own territory, with our home crowd roaring in support, with the entire field left to go to beat us and we can actually get up to use the rest room and know in our gut that when we get back to our seat our boys will have already sealed the deal?
I dream of such things, yet they seem so elusive.
Don’t we deserve such a thing?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
Don’t forget his Bills draft picks.
One thing I agree with Alex about is Bill Polian as a great GM. He also is renowned for wanting a system where the QB is the OC (Jim Kelly/Peyton Manning) and probably sees Andrew Luck in the same light.
As long as Bill keeps his sons away from the business. But don’t want him at the Raiders. The Raiders is a family. Madden, Wolf, Herock, Herrera, Amy, McKenzie, and other guys on their wish list mostly bay area guys and/or worked with Al before.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:45 pm
DMac for 7 games a year is better than 99% of 2nd rounders.
Bush will be gone, and we should get rid of our best player.
Worked wonders with Nnamdi and Charles Woodson.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Shmucky B should of been fired 24 hours ago-99 1/2 yds-Im still raging mad.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:47 pm
very true djohnny.
Who was the last coach that passionately wanted to get that type of D in here?
Who was the last guy allowed to do it?
Never?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Nnamdi and Charles didn’t play positions with a short shelf life, and didn’t have recurring injuries to the same part of their bodies.
For DMac to be the team’s best player, he has to actually appear in games.
Deep RB class this year. Plenty of solid players will be available. The Raiders know exactly what they’re getting with Darren McFadden. Time to move on.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Alex7,
When it counted, Hue’s prolific offense could only muster a few points in garbage time after his team completely imploded and got blown out, the GB and MIA games come to mind.
When the offense did get rolling, he found a way to screw it up by not adjusting at halftime and thinking 13 point leads are insurmountable and he can just run it and go three and out, BUF, DETROIT, DEN, and yesterday’s debacle are prime examples.
Then in games that should have been W’s, his mismanagement and ineptitude turned sure wins into eye popping disastrous losses. Not knowing how to count and going for 1 instead of 2 points in the Detroit game is simply inexcusable period. And I have never seen such bad clock management than yesterday’s end of half debacle and he tries to blame it on the phone not working? Please. Alex7, MR, what freaking games did you watch?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:53 pm
305.djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
How cool will it be guys, when we have a team locked down deep in their own territory, with our home crowd roaring in support, with the entire field left to go to beat us and we can actually get up to use the rest room and know in our gut that when we get back to our seat our boys will have already sealed the deal?
I dream of such things, yet they seem so elusive.
Don’t we deserve such a thing?
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So true. The past, well it seems like forever, you just know teams are gonna score against us in the 4th Q.
This is my favourite quote from the presser:
Q: Do you have someone who can raise everyone’s level of play like Ray Lewis?
A: “I’ll tell you next season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
John Madden and Carol Davis are very close friends. She’ll ALWAYS trust John 100% with the Raiders business and what to do. Hue’s future is very much in John’s hands. Hue has no business mouthing off about wanting or taking more control etc etc. As Hue admitted later that all that talk is not up to him and it’s in the hands of Mark.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Boss01, and don’t forget too that 5 game stretch early in the season when Hue’s offense did not score a single 4th Qtr point!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
yeah, they’re getting the NFL’s leading rusher when he’s in there.
Again, that, for 6 or 7 games, is worth more than 90% of 2nd rounders. Not to mention his healthy 2010.
2nd round picks are too often Lamarr Houston, Stanford Routt, Mike Mitchell, Teyo Johnson, Jake Grove, Tui, Doug Jolley…
No one would trade 6 games of DMac for any of those guys full-season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
GG
does he get credit for scoring more opening-drive points than anyone else in football?
Or the most 3rd quarter points?
Or does it not matter when you score?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
same ol bs from a lame duck coach…meanwhile dmc, jones, and mcplain laughing to the bank….
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Actually, Norv had it down and was the only one to so so, but…16th? So yeah, the penalties ain’t going away so soon!
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Playoff teams this season:
Patriots – RB by committee. Mid/late-round picks.
Packers – RB by committee. Mid/late-round picks.
Ravens – Ray Rice = 2nd round pick.
Saints – RB by committee. Didn’t pick a 1st round RB until last season because now they’re set at virtually every position.
Texans – Arian Foster was undrafted. Ben Tate was a mid-round pick.
Bengals – FA pickups and late-round picks.
Broncos – FA pickups and late-round picks.
Falcons – Michael Turner was a FA pickup, originally undrafted. Rodgers is also a late-round pick.
Giants – RB by committee. Mid/late-round picks.
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
when he’s in there.
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And when is that?
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
lol Boss, when it counted
So the games vs the Jets, Bears, Vikings, Chargers, Chiefs…
those didn’t matter much?
Because if we lose any of those, your games that “counted”…don’t.
Duh
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
djohnnyg
the last guy was probably Madden. he was the last D minded head coach we’ve had.
Madden
Flores
Rat
Shell
White
Bugel
Gruden
Callahan
Turner
Shell
Kiffin
Cable
Hue
Maybe we should rethink that strategy
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Van Dyke wasn’t injured right? Hue went with the “hot hand” in Lito.
Might it have been wise to go with the taller, more athletic VanDyke to prevent SD’s taller receivers from simply out jumping 5′10 Lito?
I’m thinking of that first play from the 1/2 yd. line that Hue was so upset about. I wasn’t thrilld about it either.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Alex, the gist of all this is that YOU are being a shill for Hue. If you were 100% objective and genuine, you WOULD be posting sensibly pin-pointing flaws in Hue, the offense, and castigating him where he definitely deserves it. Instead you’re spending your time killing Chuck and the defensive roster, and shilling for Hue, to save his bacon, make him out to be more than what he is and that his sh^t dont stink.
I am NOT anti-Hue. Nor am I anti/pro-Chuck etc. I just look at all the problems and speak openly without agenda. As too are MANY people in this blog that you’re fighting with.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
YA
by your own admission then, no one would trade a 2nd rounder for McFadden right?
furthermore, those “free agent pickups” by the Broncos and Bengals were first rounders.
Just stop. Like the Texans would trade oft-injured Andre Johnson for a 2nd rounder
Or the Chargers wouuld trade Vincent Jackson for a 2nd.
nuts
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
BTW, anyone expecting Lamarr Houston to put up huge numbers from the LE position doesn’t know what they’re looking at.
Ask any scout. In terms of gap discipline, Lamarr Houston is the best Raider lineman outside of Shaughnessy. He plays to the whistle on every snap, and handles his assignments. And he’s not even playing his natural position. His natural position is 3-tech DT, which is what he’ll go back to as soon as Seymour and Kelly are gone (which hopefully will be before next season).
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Bill Polian signed Bruce Smith, drafted Thurman Thomas, hired Marv Levy got nate odomes, then under his watch he guided an expansion team to the the NFC title game in three years, drafted Peyton, edge, Marvin and Reggie, this dude know how to spot talent..
The only move I would question, is getting rid of Marshall. I would not mind him being handed over the keys to alameda at all.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
GG
WHY WHY WHY WHY would I waste time picking apart the team’s strength, when there is a big elephant in the room?
I’m excited about our first Al-free free agency and coach hiring period.
Why would I cherry pick our strength instead?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Jackson: “I thought the pieces were there. I mean, a year ago this defense was 11th with basically the same guys…………
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When we lost Nnamdi, it opened up the full field, and Chucky B could never overcome that. Didn’t have the brains/personell to fill that hole. Should of had a guy to stick on Megatron, Gates and the like.
Yes, the D went straight to hell. 98 fckng yards wasn’t good enough, so the opportunity to give up 99 arose and they jumped on it. A fckng mutiny, thats what is was.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
someone ask the Texans if they’ll trade oft-injured Andre Johnson for a 2nd round pick.
Ask the Chargers if they’ll trade Vincent Jackson for a 2nd rounder, given he’s oft-injured.
Ask the Cardinals if they’ll trade oft-injured Beanie Wells for a 2nd.
Someone ask the Eagles if they’ll trade Mike Vick for a 2nd.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
This is why you’re not “amchair gm” capable. You only look at one thing and ignore the flaws and things to improve in all phases of a team.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
YA
by your own admission then, no one would trade a 2nd rounder for McFadden right?
furthermore, those “free agent pickups” by the Broncos and Bengals were first rounders.
Just stop. Like the Texans would trade oft-injured Andre Johnson for a 2nd rounder
Or the Chargers wouuld trade Vincent Jackson for a 2nd.
nuts
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Andre Johnson and Vincent Jackson aren’t oft-injured, and play a position that require a much rarer skill set.
There are teams out there who think as you do. That it’s worth having a “home-run hitter” and just hoping he stays healthy. That’s why the Dolphins traded for Reggie Bush (and look how much that helped them…). That’s why the Chargers traded up for Ryan Matthews. Maybe there isn’t a team who would part with a 2nd rounder for DMac. But if there is? The Raiders would be stupid not to make that deal.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Fifth priority is, do we trade Mr. Pryor for a first round if a team offers us one?
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RR historically, your posts have been rational, somewhat well thought out & very polite. Tonight your posts sound as though you have a hangover.
The Davis’s are not selling the franchise anytime soon, they are not firing Hue Jackson this year, they will be getting a new GM & possibly one othr executive & no doubt will support Hue when he cans Bresahan. They might get on Hue’s butt if he doesn’t do it fairly soon. I’m sure they want some signs, for themselves & the an base, that the tam is taking steps to make things better. This is the first year in many that the o.com has had eight game sellouts, even if Amy Trask helped in making it happen. Personally, I believe that Hue puts a good face on for the Oakland Raiders and he is in fact the best HC we’ve had since Gruden. The HC will NOT be changing this year.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Boss01, and don’t forget too that 5 game stretch early in the season when Hue’s offense did not score a single 4th Qtr point!!
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How can I forget that, that all goes back to his chickenschitt play calling trying to sit on leads and praying the d comes through
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm
LMAO! I have faith that we will get the right people on board and turn this fvcker around!
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Yes, the D went straight to hell. 98 fckng yards wasn’t good enough, so the opportunity to give up 99 arose and they jumped on it. A fckng mutiny, thats what is was.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
RR
I forgot, a 1st for Pryor? You’ve really got to be pulling our legs. Pryor has absolutely NO trade value at this stage in his career.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
boss01 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Boss01, and don’t forget too that 5 game stretch early in the season when Hue’s offense did not score a single 4th Qtr point!!
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How can I forget that, that all goes back to his chickenschitt play calling trying to sit on leads and praying the d comes through
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Glad you stated that, because that’s exactly the difference between Hue this year and last year.
Why would Hue demand offfensive play-calling, when he has a proven master in Al Saunders? Hue WANTS to wear too many hats, he’s a hungry man, hungry for more power and control, and still wants more despite admitting that him wearing too many hats is detrimenting his HC ability.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Alex, I too am looking forward to seeing what Hue will do to fix things.
Without Mr. Davis in the mix, it is exciting to see what a guy who is as passionate about winning as Hue is, will do in the offseason.
Imo Hue made alot of mistakes in judgement over the course of the season, but all in all the offense he was in charge of did plenty enough to make us a division champ.
“Sucked” isn’t a strong enough word for what the defense was, and now Hue has his shot at fixing that.
I’m looking forward to seeing what he does.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
manning stunned at colts decision to fire Polian…..looks like he will be on the block soon, can we trade CP, Pryor and McLain for him assuming he is fully healthy? I would do it in a heartbeat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Fire Chuck Bresnahan NOW!! This guy does not know how to mix up coverages at all. You can’t have Wimbley trying to cover Gates. That’s a huge mis-match. Also, Hue Jackson need to put down that play calling card and manage the freaking game. Let Al Saunders call the plays. PERIOD!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm
You are a HC, Hue, not a GM, and have no business there. Only have 1 year experience as a HC FFS, so you barely even have business being a HC. Stop being power-hungry and DO YOUR JOB of HC’ing, and delegate offensive play-calling to the OC. Stop trying to propaganda-spin your way into more control, pull your head outta your a$$, focus on your job and wanting nothing but to do your job under a GM with full power.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Manning will likely retire. Too much of a long-term health risk to play again.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Jackson sounds like an uneducated used car salesman, doesn’t he?
Frankly who gives a sheet what he says? Does he have much credibility left? He talks and talks and says nothing. What managerial ability does he have to even be qualified to be a HC in NFL? Ok he’s a good play caller but has he done anything else to make you think he’s anything else? I think not. He was not a good HC. If he was this team wouldn’t have melted the past five weeks the way it did. Bottom line the players didn’t play hard for Hue. What does that tell you?
Which GM worth his salt wants a power hungry coach like Hue already installed in the organization potentially competing with him? Having Hue in place could lead us to hire a weak GM perhaps a friend of Hue to jerk off this entire organization for a few years before both are fired. I hope Mark Davis is smart enough to make this critical hire without Hue’s interference.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Alex would defend the iceberg while sitting on the deck of the Titanic.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:19 pm
You are a HC, Hue, not a GM, and have no business there. Only have 1 year experience as a HC FFS, so you barely even have business being a HC. Stop being power-hungry and DO YOUR JOB of HC’ing, and delegate offensive play-calling to the OC. Stop trying to propaganda-spin your way into more control, pull your head outta your a$$, focus on your job and wanting nothing but to do your job under a GM with full power.
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You are absolutely right!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
why are we even questioning the offense, palmer or anyone else associated with it…what hurt us all season was our defense…enough said..defense has to change..we got our most important position covered and thats qb..enough whether the trade was too much or not..we have him ….and we are better off ..lets change what hurt us all year…defense!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Hue had ENTIRE SEASON to fix things. All they did was get worse. He needs more time?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:32 pm
The defense is garbage and Chuck Bresnahan need to go.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Not sure if anybody mentioned this but Raheem Morris was let go by Bucs so he is also potential candidate to replace Chuck, he’s been part of Successful Defense’s , well versed in Tampa 2 D learned under tutelage of Monte Kiffin n it’s unlikely he’ll get a call for head coach anywhere this year so wouldn’t b bad hire for D cord…
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
defense was ranked 11th last year to dead last this year ..u telling me chuck bresnahan in his first year had nothing to do with the collapse?…its a clear cut case…cya chuck
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
canadian raider
unfortunately there are many emotional, irration fans in here that want to somehow blame the offense, when for two straight years it’s done wonders.
Weird. I mean, nothing is perfect, but to try and blame the team’s strength is just bizarre.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Anyone hear that Hue the Magnificient and Jerry Sandusky were seen deep kissing in the Raider’s locker room ?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:36 pm
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.”
To Mark Davis: welcome Hue back with an ax handle across that shiny, black pate. When he goes down, loop a chain around his ankles, wench him up toward the rafters, promptly tar and feather him, welcome him out of town, and clip his eggs at the city limit line so no more defective dna gets into the gene pool.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:38 pm
I wonder if Rob Ryan will be retained? Not that I would want him back here after watching Eli shred his D last night, surely he is better than chump b though
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
i agree with you alex..all the talk about the offense is getting old..talk to football fans who arent raider fans and they all say the same thing..good offense..good kicking game…defense needs alot of work….face it…its true
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Motha F’n Cro-Magnon Man w/3 inch skull: Hue thinks he owns the Raiders now. In truth, I was a Raider fan before Hue was even a cumshot on his Moma’s bedsheet: idiot.
Hue is better off as a snake oil salesman or tent revival pastor boinking married, female parishoners. As an HC in the NFL, he’s a joke.
Many entries claim Hue should be retained as OC: his play calling sucks; 1st down Bush up the middle for no gain; 2nd down short pass to DHB; 3rd down Bush up the middle, no gain and out. Hmmmm….that’s if we are not going straight back with a bevy of penalties.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Bears offense without starting QB = awful
Colts offense without starting QB = awful
Chiefs offense w/out QB, RB, TE = awful
Rams offense without QB = awful
Raiders and Texans offense without top QB, RB, and WR remained in top half of the league.
That’s a good thing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
You should never hire a guy you once fired. Chuck Bresnahan was the Raiders DC in 2000 to 2002 and got fired. Al hired him again this season. That should NEVER happen.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:40 pm
On DHB and DMAC:
DHB: you have to be kidding; his performance is worst when crunch time comes – no talent – gains some yards, but then drops the ball when we need him most – has a fat turd hanging from his butt.
Get rid of him now while he may have some trade value.
DMAC: big jackass with serial foot problems; he ran right over several bottom tier teams. So what? Top tier teams shut him down; he looked the same as Bush averaging less than 60 yds. End result of his presence on the team for the last 4 yrs ?? zipp0, nada, zilch.
Get rid of him too while he has some trade value.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Alex scoring offense is down with jackson versus cable. Even with Palmer, Dmac, nd an emergent DHB. You areout of ammo.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
hue got pass happy palmer came round
forgot what made us undefeated in the west last year the run game
trying to run with 3 wides was not what we did
six bigs , use the TEs , then boom play action!
not placing Dmac on ir and not getting bush a backup to spell so the run game does not skip a beat was a big factor
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
al d. davis talks, crickets chirp
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Consolation:
This club can get turned around in a year; notice the 49′ers at 13 and 3. I remember a high intensity loud mouth named Mike Singletary. He just didn’t have what it took; same as Hue.
The 49′ers gave up only a single running TD all season, while making a man of Alex Smith. Sever Stank AL; attenuate his taint.
It’s time.
Blow up the team Mark, top to bottom. Let’s just move forward. You can do it, boy. It’s not rocket science. If you are afraid to fire Hue, let me do it for you. I’ll bring my ax handle.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
hmmm.
did anyone notice how the 49ers allowed their head coach to bring in his own defensive coordinator? A guy who runs a 3-4? They also let their head coach bring in his own players to fit that defense.
that was cool. Will be nice to see that this off-season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:49 pm
On Palmer:
He’s seen better days: worst trade ever, thanks to Hue. Palmer will never be better than he was this season. And JC is no answer either: a competent game manager will never gain a SuperBowl.
Fact is, running ability of a QB is the 12th man who cannot be defended. I won’t elaborate: the QB must have the ability to scramble and complete a busted play through improvisation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:50 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Jackson sounds like an uneducated used car salesman, doesn’t he?
Frankly who gives a sheet what he says? Does he have much credibility left? He talks and talks and says nothing. What managerial ability does he have to even be qualified to be a HC in NFL? Ok he’s a good play caller but has he done anything else to make you think he’s anything else? I think not. He was not a good HC. If he was this team wouldn’t have melted the past five weeks the way it did. Bottom line the players didn’t play hard for Hue. What does that tell you?
Which GM worth his salt wants a power hungry coach like Hue already installed in the organization potentially competing with him? Having Hue in place could lead us to hire a weak GM perhaps a friend of Hue to jerk off this entire organization for a few years before both are fired. I hope Mark Davis is smart enough to make this critical hire without Hue’s interference.
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Very good post. Like many others who have posted similar thoughts. And a shout out too to Seymour Bush’s good comeback points.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
hmmm.
did anyone notice how the 49ers allowed their head coach to bring in his own defensive coordinator? A guy who runs a 3-4? They also let their head coach bring in his own players to fit that defense.
that was cool. Will be nice to see that this off-season.
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Did you notice the Niners have a GM and hierarchy-structure in place?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:51 pm
3 things I can say:
1. We need a new Defensive Coordinator. No doubt. We don’t need to blow up teh whole building. We just need a new D-Coordinator, and some more pieces to that puzzle.
2. Jackson’s personnel decisions generally were poor. Cutting Sterling Moore. Getting Housh over Hagan. Gather fiasco. Palmer was actually a good move, but that’s one out of 4.
Palmer: Palmer’s 8.39 ypa 5th best ever by Raider trailing Stabler 9.41 in 76, Flores 8.62 and 8.51 in ‘66 and ‘63 and Schroeder 8.53 in ‘90
Defense: From #11 to #29. Also…Raiders failed to force an opponent to punt for just the 3rd time ever; 06 vs Cinci and ‘91 vs KC
More Defense: Raiders were 21-1 all-time when gaining 500+ yards in a game until this season, losing to NE with 504 and SD with 520
Even more Defense: franchise worsts in Defense in passing TDs (31), yds passing (4262), ypc (5.1) and third most points 433
Sterling Moore: Sterling Moore up for Rookie of the Week Award. Had two interceptions, one for a TD, on Sunday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Well since you have been wrong on everything else it does not bode well for Hue coming back. Alex you are starting to enter Jamista Clown territory here.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
yeah, the hierarchy is Jim does whatever he wants, and the GM helps.
Kinda what Al has allowed Hue to do this off-season.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
all hue had to say is hey chuck gimme some bump and run and we squeak into the playoffs
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:52 pm
3. We need to add defensive personnel in the LB and secondary especially and a DT who is younger to keep them old vets fresh and take over soon.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Why did the Raiders fire John Marshall last year? He had the 11th ranked defense and and with Chuck B we are 30th.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
raiderz
Sterling Moore and Gaither situations happened in pre-season.
You do know Al Davis was in charge back then, right?
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
I thought the same sheet a few weeks back, would hue be part of hiring a gm qualified enough to put his on check right away, to me the odds don’t look good.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Did you also notice that Jim Harbaugh has a very good HC history of success too? Jim knows far more about management and HC’ing than Hue does. Al did the Niners a favor interviewing Hue to get rid of the Rooney Rule thing quickly so they could hire Jim. Al always wanted Jim too, always knew he would become a top-flight HC and quickly. Hue was the best he could get on short notice after being angry with Mr Cable. Jim would have come to the Raiders if he was still in Stanford before Al passed away, if the Niners had a HC in place, and we hired a new GM like McKenzie etc.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
505raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
hue got pass happy palmer came round
forgot what made us undefeated in the west last year the run game
trying to run with 3 wides was not what we did
six bigs , use the TEs , then boom play action!
not placing Dmac on ir and not getting bush a backup to spell so the run game does not skip a beat was a big factor
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No, the problem was that Bush was NOT cutting it. He looked tired and winded after every play. Around the 3rd week he was a starter he dropped off dramatically. He still got a ton of touches, but didn’t make much of them.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:55 pm
RaiderReggie
because Al Davis disliked zone defense and blitzes. Sad but true.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Lol, sorry Alex, you just show up your ignorance/BS when you said Jim has full control and a GM “helps” him.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
hue has a big part of this season’s downfall, Big Al wouldn’t of stood for this schhhh.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Terrell Suggs and Mario Williams will look good in silver and black
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
man bush shredded teams last year
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:57 pm
#368
If acquiring CP was a prudent decision on Hue’s part, why didn’t another team pick up CP before the Raiders ? I am not saying CP is a terrible QB; he’s just seen better days and will not improve in subsequent seasons. Hue should have just gone with Terrel Pryor who, with his running ability could won as many games as CP. But, like most of the posters here, Hue mislead himself when he thought the Raiders could make it to the playoffs.
Self-Delusion is a very sad thing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
excellent post maverick
Bush averaged a terrible 3.5 yards a carry the final 7 weeks of the season.
Guy is not a #1 RB.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
No other 1st place team in week 6 had lost their starting QB.
I’m glad we didn’t go the Bears route and throw all hope away.
next question.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
To even compare Huellywood (that’s a winner autopalm77) to Jim is laughable. You only have to listen/read/watch all of Huellywood’s pressers and compare it to all of Jim’s pressers. You have one guy bouncing around like a used car salesman, making a lot of wild claims and predictions and promises, and putting on the field a product that is the complete opposite of it. And another guy is calm, measured and erudite, and puts a product on the field that is disciplined and plays hard.
Hue did indeed build a bully….as someone else said….a team all talk and no action, that lays down when contested.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
7-4, with all the momentum, then blown out 2 straight, then a choke job at home, it’s not all the players fault.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:02 pm
GG
Jim gets paid more than the GM.
Jim was allowed to bring his Stanford coaches.
Jim was allowed to cut Braylon Edwards despite the financial costs.
Jim has plenty of GM power in SF. You honestly don’t know that?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Jim was allowed to bring in a handful of Stanford players to help implement the system.
That’s called personnel moves. Jim has those.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:04 pm
too many overpaid defensive players, I’d cut Huff, Wimbley, Kelly off the bat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Raidereout
were we a better team than the Packers, Dolphins, or Lions the 2nd half of the season?
I think we were underdogs in all those.
Those in the know, knew our team had too many holes on D, RB, and QB.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
you just prooved my arguement thanks alex
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:07 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 9:58 pm
excellent post maverick
Bush averaged a terrible 3.5 yards a carry the final 7 weeks of the season.
Guy is not a #1 RB.
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Understatement of the day, week & month. He hasn’t done squat for 5 weeks now. Definitely NOT a starting RB in the NFL. Also can’t/won’t block in pass protection – a BIG liability. He runs out of gas mid 3rd quarter and doesn’t recover. He’s been exposed. If he thinks he’s going to get big bucks in FA, he’s going to be sadly mistaken. RB’s need to be big bangers at the LOS. That’s NOT Bush. Just call him Mr. tippy-toes.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
Those in the know, lol, good teams still show up when players are down.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Seymour Bush
here’s what I’ve been right about. Will be fun to have it in writing so I can copy/paste it anytime
- That we’d switch to a 3-4
- That Palmer would be our QB
- That Jason C. would not be extended past his contract
- That Bush was no better than Mike Tolbert
- That our defense would be worse this year
- That our 2010 draft was overrated.
That’s pretty good for just being a fan.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Jim is not the GM, he was ALLOWED to bring in his coaches. The GM signed off on it. The GM doing his job there. That’s why when we hire a legit GM he will re-interview Hue for the job, assess what Hue wants schematics, evaluate his used car salesman BS and his power hungry ways and all his flaws, and interview other HC candidates and who they want etc, and when/if he hires another HC, not Hue, will naturally be inclined to give that HC what he wants to give him the best chance of succeeding in his job as HC.
Jim is not the GM, does not have GM abilities.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Ok
Enough iz enough
Let’s look at da facts
Hue was a rookie head coach who went 8-8 in his 1st season
Had 2 deal wit losing the head of his football team in mid season
And had 2 take over all things raiders…
Which was 2 much on his plate and too be honest no rookie coach
Would be ready 4 that…
Still he had the team at 7-4 and we get 2 the backend of the season
And our best 3 playmakers on offense isn’t playin til the final 3 games
In must win situations and as a fan I wanted dem so badly to pull it off
But boy was dat askin alot of this yung team…
Not to mention the Cp3 experiment which was a challenge in it self gettin him up 2 speed and wen it look like things are coming together Moore & Ford goes down and if you watch
Raiders football you cld see how that set the offense back…
Wit that being said no team had to deal wit what the Raiders had 2 deal wit..
A new QB mid season put us behind the 8-ball and it was up to Hue to try to get this team to compete and I think he did average job wit all things he had 2 deal wit as a 1st year HC
Am I happy or content wit 8-8???
NEGATIVE!!!
But am I ready 2 run Hue out of town after a Rollercoaster season wen
He had put his team in position 2 win games only 2 watch the Dee not be able
Not be able 2 make a play vs Det,Buf,SD,Den
NOPE!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
I agree. Bush goes down way too easily for a big back, he definitely is no Christian Okoye / Barry Word. I never see him push a pile more than a yard, never see him make people miss
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:11 pm
GG
I said Jim can do whatever he wants, I didn’t say he was a GM
Do we agree then that Hue likewise has been allowed to make the trades he wants, cut and sign the players he wants, and will bring in the coaches he wants?
It’s a similar situation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
big backs do that, that is why you place mcfaggin on ir and move on and sign a back up for your back up
and hue got pass happy and forgot about the run game
that simple
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:13 pm
397 is the post of the day.
Thanks for being rational Reallionaireb
Most people in the organization feel the same way you do, which is why Hue will get an extension soon.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:18 pm
505
we have a backup to our backup. His name is Rock Cartwright.
Not many teams are 3-deep at RB. If you don’t like our depth, blame Al.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Alex I sit here and wonder do some poster here just choose side because another poster in here and them don’t see eye to eye…
cuz they gotta have some kind of football sense
But than again maybe they don’t!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:23 pm
you got to look at the orginization from top to bottom with al gone there is a chance to make some real progress
hue has made so many mistakes and has so many holes in his game and should be on a short leash
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:25 pm
And that’s what we are going to do. Because that’s who we are and we’re going to do it. We have to do it as a football team. Because we are and we will in this game of football. We will do it because it’s on me. It’s on me and we will do it. Because it is what we have to do.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:27 pm
No team had to deal wit what the raiders had to deal wit? Strike buzzer there
how about half the teams in the league dealing with similar injuries, Jackson himself admitted injuries can’t be used as an excuse in the NFL
The death of Al, should have inspired the whole organization to win in honor of Al, instead they tuned Hue out and folded.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:29 pm
pre-Hue Raider record: 29-83
with Hue Raider record: 18-18
505, you don’t see progress there?
More progress will come with new d-coordinator and non-Al free agents.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:30 pm
never seen the rock run the ball this season and jones a handful of times
just bush with no line push and out of 3 wide sets
we did not try to do what we did last year with our afc west opponents
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
hue was never forced to coach ja bustis
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Boss
I’ll honestly give you $50 if you can tell me what team lost their starting QB, starting RB, and 2 of 3 starting WRs.
I’ll give you a minute.
Chiefs came close.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Texans lost starting qb, Arian foster missed the first 2-3 games, made the playoffs, oh and Andre Johnson missed half the year….sound familiar? Difference is they won their division, thank you
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
505
before being coached by Hue, Jason Campbell had never had a winning season in his 6-year career.
DMac also credits Hue with turning his career around.
DHB flourished under Hue.
it’s going to be ok.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:34 pm
2012 prediction
We will make the playoffs
Top 10 in offense
D-Mac finally shake the injury bug
Maclain will be in the pro-bowl(reaching) but will make huge improvement
And we will have a DC who know how to scheme to take away what the opposing team offense does well.
One Nation…
Unda God!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:35 pm
hue is an OC posing as HC
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
boss
again. Starting QB, starting RB, and 2 starting WRs.
lol, missing 2-3 games doesn’t count.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:36 pm
505!!!!!!!
Has there EVER been a Raiders head coach who wasn’t JUST an OC?
Ever??
know your history, man.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Mario Williams counts for 2 starting WR’s but whatever, you are one of the FEW here making excuses for HUE, when there is no other solid premise to defend him on, you use injuries as an out route, PATHETIC
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
dmac has not had a career
how can you turn around something you dont have
dhb is a hard worker blessed with size and speed not with hands
he drew up plays for dmac and who wouldnt
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
You’re schtick is finding excuses to justify Hue’s failings. A HC doesn’t look for excuses, or throw others under buses, he wears it and gets evaluated across the scope of running a football team, as well as whether his personality/ego will fit in or not with the front office.
Hue will get evaluated and re-interviewed. We don’t want a no-accountability situation do we now lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
PLUS Hue got a better QB to finish the season than what he started with…..WTF are you talking about losing a QB, if anything Hue GAINED a STARTING QB
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:42 pm
has hue been fired yet?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:43 pm
you can keep the history i want to win
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:44 pm
umm, Cable wouldn’t.
And I’ll take DMac’s words over yours, if that’s ok with you.
He feels his 25 games before Hue’s constitute a part of a career.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:46 pm
agreed GG
Hue will be evaluated by the GM he helps bring in.
I feel there are much more glaring weaknesses on the Raiders than their successful offense that went through 3 QBs this season.
Is that ok?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
boss01 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:41 pm
PLUS Hue got a better QB to finish the season than what he started with…..WTF are you talking about losing a QB, if anything Hue GAINED a STARTING QB
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Boss01, you are on fire tonight. You’ve nailed it on multiple posts already, and this is another great point which others have made before too. Hue gained a better starting QB, one that he said was gonna take us to the title this year. That QB went 4-6, and 1-4 down the stretch to miss the playoffs in a 8-8 type of division with all our opponents imploding before our eyes giving the title to us.
Yes of course the D has been woeful, etc. No one denies that. But you cannot ignore the flaws on offense, nor the failings at the HC position and his play-calling on offense, the penalties, etc. Regardless of whether Hue didn’t get his DC, he STILL is in charge of all those other facets and performed very badly most of the time, with moments here and there of very good stuff.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
again. Starting QB, starting RB, and 2 starting WRs.
lol, missing 2-3 games doesn’t count.
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Umm d Moore was only out 2-3 games, that counts though?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Boss if u sit here and say that half the skill players goin down didn’t hurt this team chances wld be flat out wrong…
Andre Johnson going down is one guy…not 3
And Foster to Tate…not much of a drop off
Dmac to Bush…major drop off wldnt u agree
Houston tops in defense
Oakland…
Well u seen the defense we brought to the table
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:50 pm
David Shaw seems like a pretty good coach, but how do you opt for your freshman kicker to win the game over Andrew Luck at the opponent’s 20 yard line with 50 seconds left and three time outs? Stanford deserved to lose based on that horrendously conservative, chicken decision. I knew the kid was going to miss it when he wasn’t even practicing his kicks but instead kneeling down looking scared out of his mind on the sideline.
Luckily, I got bailed out on the 5.5 point spread when OK State’s overtime TD was overturned and they wound up kicking it. Otherwise, I’d be really pissed.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
GG,
a real HC would have had this team at 10-6 even with all the shortcomings on D and injuries on O….this simply proves Hue is an OK OC, but a terrible HC
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:52 pm
bring in marc trestman….
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Alex, are you so embarrassed you have been exposed that you had to change your handle?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
do you even know if dmac can even play again and what are the risks if he does does this injury compoud with his priors is he willing to risk his health
are the raiders willing to stick with him as our featured back for half a season our run game went down with him
or do we find some inssurance and keep it moving
cuz weve been down this road too many times
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:56 pm
coaches Hue out-performed this year:
Andy Reid
Jack Del Rio
Mike Shanahan
Rex Ryan
Lovie Smith
Ken Whisenhunt
Pete Carroll
Jason Garett
Steve Spagnuolo
Pat Shurmur
Chan Gailey
Ron Rivera
Tony Sparano
Jim Caldwell
Is it ok if I find that a solid rookie season?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Anybody hear yet if the defensive staff been canned? What about Hue? The suspense is brutal. Why wait? They gonna make us wait til September for a new D cordinator? Just do it!
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
I think it’s time to get everyone on record as to their thoughts about Hue and Palmer. I am on board with both guys leading this franchise back to glory. Others want to fire Hue and consider the Palmer trade a huge mistake. What say you Nation?
A) Keep Hue; Palmer trade was smart.
B) Keep Hue; Palmer trade was a mistake.
C) Fire Hue; Palmer trade was smart.
D) Fire Hue; Palmer trade was a mistake.
My answer is a resounding A. I want both guys here leading this franchise into 2012 and beyond. Let’s all lay our cards on the table. When can review when the time comes.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:57 pm
And you made that accessment after one year boss???
How can you with the lockout and a defense that prove they cldnt whole a lead when the offense put atleast 3 games in position to be won???
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Any comparisons between Harbaugh and HueSux are ridiculous. Jim Harbaugh will have a long-lasting career as a head coach. On the other hand, HueSux will be hustling offensive coordinator jobs.
Jim has all the intangibles to become a winner in the NFL, in contrast HueSux has all the negative traits that will doom him as a leader. In particular, letting his mouth and ego run amock. A poor-man’s Rex Ryan, at least Rex got the Jets to two AFC championships.
Coaches Dennis Green and Brian Billick said it plainly, repeating what I said at the beginning of the season, you’d better not make promises you can’t keep, because you will set yourself and your team for failure. Either HueSux is a fool or a fraud.
I say he’s also a used car salesman, and he’s selling it hard. He wants to be involved in choosing the GM and player personnel director, someone who shares his vision. What is this guy? Can’t even do better than the Cable guy, are you kidding me? Talk about an arrogant fool.
Just who does he think he is? What has he ever accomplished? He has been an average journeyman OC. As Ann Killion said, Hue just happened to be the last man seated. An extreme circumstance for somebody that has a mediocre resume to inherit an entire organization, one with a solid legendary tradition.
Maybe he can keep fooling a lot of you, but not for long. Just what the NFL stands for. The combination of Hue and Carson are good for another 8-8 year, how will fans think and feel then?
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
boss,
I see you couldn’t come up with a single team that lost that many players to injuries. I’m afraid you only counted to 3 players on the Texans, when the challenge was 4. Maybe too hard for you. Oh well.
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
boss01 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:51 pm
GG,
a real HC would have had this team at 10-6 even with all the shortcomings on D and injuries on O….this simply proves Hue is an OK OC, but a terrible HC
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Absolutely, even 11-5. Not at all a stretch when you consider we SHOULD HAVE gone 11-5! The reasons why we didn’t — penalties, lack of discipline, lack of accountability, bad personnel decisions, play-calling, and defense….these all fall under the control of the HC.
Bresnahan AND Hue decide on defensive schemes, game-plans, and Hue can at any time tell Bresnahan what to call on D. I would bet that all those 4th Qtr meltdowns, no doubt Hue and Chuck have sat down together and talked about what to do next time and agreed with each other on what to call etc.
Bresnahan might not be whom Hue wanted, but that’s beside the point, Hue as a HC is supposed to be in charge of the defense too, he oversees every aspect, the OL, the DL, the DB, etc positional coaches and schemes. Chuck has decades of experience in the NFL and Hue can always get him to do something different in those situations. And they no doubt have had agreed with each other, and co-signed how to handle this and that receiver, RB, TE, etc.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Hue made rookie mistakes, but he has the makings of a good coach.
He needs to be reigned in most definitely. But with a solid GM to put him in his place, and a complete defensive overhaul, this team is a perennial deep playoff contender.
Remember, DEFENSE wins championships. That fact rarely ever changes.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Blow up the defense and start over. What ya got to lose? Last place? Just Defense Baby!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
505raiders Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:55 pm
do you even know if dmac can even play again and what are the risks if he does does this injury compoud with his priors is he willing to risk his health
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It’s not his spine, it’s his foot. He’ll be back. Need to have a good No. 2 with his history though, undoubtedly.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
coaches Hue out-performed this year:
Andy Reid
Jack Del Rio
Mike Shanahan
Rex Ryan
Lovie Smith
Ken Whisenhunt
Pete Carroll
Jason Garett
Steve Spagnuolo
Pat Shurmur
Chan Gailey
Ron Rivera
Tony Sparano
Jim Caldwell
Is it ok if I find that a solid rookie season? .
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:01 pm
huesux is a sham…trying to self-promote every chance he gets….big talk no walk….rex ryan minus four cheeseburgers
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Hue will be a great head coach. All of you will eat your words.
P.S. – The great Jon Gruden went 8-8 his first two seasons as Raiders head coach.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
yeah dmac will be fine until he gets a hangnail and his agent tells him to sit again, why risk your career and my paycheck?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
armchair
here’s the blog dilema:
regardless whether people think Hue deserves coach-hiring/firing abilities or not,
Al Davis has ALREADY GIVEN HIM that power, and more. He was allowed to swing trades and make roster cuts/adds.
He’s already doing this, yet people are acting like Hue’s ASKING for this permission. He’s just stating that he WILL MAKE CHANGES. He’s already been granted that power.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
zopi Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Any comparisons between Harbaugh and HueSux are ridiculous. Jim Harbaugh will have a long-lasting career as a head coach. On the other hand, HueSux will be hustling offensive coordinator jobs.
Jim has all the intangibles to become a winner in the NFL, in contrast HueSux has all the negative traits that will doom him as a leader. In particular, letting his mouth and ego run amock. A poor-man’s Rex Ryan, at least Rex got the Jets to two AFC championships.
Coaches Dennis Green and Brian Billick said it plainly, repeating what I said at the beginning of the season, you’d better not make promises you can’t keep, because you will set yourself and your team for failure. Either HueSux is a fool or a fraud.
I say he’s also a used car salesman, and he’s selling it hard. He wants to be involved in choosing the GM and player personnel director, someone who shares his vision. What is this guy? Can’t even do better than the Cable guy, are you kidding me? Talk about an arrogant fool.
Just who does he think he is? What has he ever accomplished? He has been an average journeyman OC. As Ann Killion said, Hue just happened to be the last man seated. An extreme circumstance for somebody that has a mediocre resume to inherit an entire organization, one with a solid legendary tradition.
Maybe he can keep fooling a lot of you, but not for long. Just what the NFL stands for. The combination of Hue and Carson are good for another 8-8 year, how will fans think and feel then?
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Another fantastic erudite post *thumbs up*
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
armchair
here’s the blog dilema:
regardless whether people think Hue deserves coach-hiring/firing abilities or not,
Al Davis has ALREADY GIVEN HIM that power, and more. He was allowed to swing trades and make roster cuts/adds.
He’s already doing this, yet people are acting like Hue’s ASKING for this permission. He’s just stating that he WILL MAKE CHANGES. He’s already been granted that power.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
D-fence
D-fence
D-fence
Wanted: Oakland Raider Football looking for qualified defense to compete at the professional level. Must have good work ethic and ability to compete. No former employees need apply. Mutineers need not apply.
Head coach Hue Jackson named GM and will retain HC duties. Will rule with iron fist.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:05 pm
Amen, Zopi. Hue never learned to keep his mouth shut.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
he will have plenty of time for pedicures….
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 pm
lol Miami. Did Gruden ever learn? Did it matter?
DefensSux
thanks for a rational post.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:08 pm
are you willing to limp around with the most of yours ahead of you while you have already made millions
if so why didnt he try
but that is why you pick up another rb when he goes down you cant waste a roster spot especally when the playoffs are on the line and your rbs are gased
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
armchair
here’s the blog dilema:
regardless whether people think Hue deserves coach-hiring/firing abilities or not,
Al Davis has ALREADY GIVEN HIM that power, and more. He was allowed to swing trades and make roster cuts/adds.
He’s already doing this, yet people are acting like Hue’s ASKING for this permission. He’s just stating that he WILL MAKE CHANGES. He’s already been granted that power.
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Only because no one else in the front office knew what to do. It came at a time of chaos and distraction. People are waking up.
If Hue did control the nut sack of the operation, he woulda sent Chucky packing by now.
Alex, do you think Hue has the balls to let Chucky go? Like yesterday? Does he have the power to do so? And if so, why hasn’t he sent him packing? Like yesterday.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
defenseSux
you don’t think Al planned ahead?
We KNOW he taught Hue GM duties. Why do you think that was? There was no chaos back then. Mr. Davis was organized as always, and planned ahead as his health slipped.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Did anyone hear that Hue the Magnificient and Jerry Sandusky were seen deep kissing in the Raider’s locker room ?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Hue is the Man:
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.”
To Mark Davis: welcome Hue back with an ax handle across that shiny, black pate. When he goes down, loop a chain around his ankles, wench him up toward the rafters, promptly tar and feather him, welcome him out of town, and clip his eggs at the city limit line so no more defective dna gets into the gene pool.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:00 pm
coaches Hue out-performed this year:
Andy Reid
Jack Del Rio
Mike Shanahan
Rex Ryan
Lovie Smith
Ken Whisenhunt
Pete Carroll
Jason Garett
Steve Spagnuolo
Pat Shurmur
Chan Gailey
Ron Rivera
Tony Sparano
Jim Caldwell
Is it ok if I find that a solid rookie season? .
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Alex you are getting dumber and dumber in front of our eyes. lst off, how did Jackson out perform Andy Reid? Reid won his last four games. Rex Ryan took his team to the AFC Championship his first two years as a head coach. Lovie Smith lost his Q after he had any chance of replacing him with a quality player. And Lovie had his team in the NFC Championship game last year. And Smith still almost beat us with a scrub Q. Wisenhunt has taken his team to the Super Bowl and finished 7-2 down the stretch. If Jackson was 7-2 down the stretch I would be the lst one on his bandwagon. Pete Carroll went to the playoffs his lst year as HC and still had a 3-2 record in his last 5. Jason Garrett was 5-4 in his last 9. Jackson was 4-6 in his last 10 and really should have been 0-5 to end. All the rest of those guys with the exception of Rivera will probably be axed. Thanks for proving my point.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Cro-Magnon Man:
Motha F’n Cro-Magnon Man w/3 inch skull: Hue thinks he owns the Raiders now. In truth, I was a Raider fan before Hue was even a cumshot on his Moma’s bedsheet: idiot.
Hue is better off as a snake oil salesman or tent revival pastor boinking married, female parishoners. As an HC in the NFL, he’s a joke.
Many entries claim Hue should be retained as OC: his play calling sucks; 1st down Bush up the middle for no gain; 2nd down short pass to DHB; 3rd down Bush up the middle, no gain and out. Hmmmm….that’s if we are not going straight back with a bevy of penalties.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
As stated in the interview, Hue hasn’t talked to Mark yet. Out of respect to Al Davis, Hue “checks” with Mark before making decisions, despite Mark being on record stating he won’t be involved in firing decisions.
Hue will meet with Mark.
Raiders will let Chuck go.
Hue has been targeting DC’s since LAST year, so those guys know what’s up, and there’s no concern by Hue that he’ll lose the guys he wants.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Every HC is gonna make some mistakes. You should see Lovie Smith in Chicago.
Hue was not perfect, but I’d rather have his passion for making the team better than some bland HC who after a season like this would only blurt out the same old tired cliches.
“We just didn’t get it done”
“We just have to get better. And we will”
“We’re disappointed we didn;t make the playoffs but we have a lot we can take with us into next season”
etc etc. etc.
Hue is committed to making the team better.
He deserves more than one year even though I admit i’m disappointed in him not having this team prepared.
Haven’t we had enuff around here with one and done HC’s?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Al’s boys DHB and DMAC:
DHB: you have to be kidding; his performance is worst when crunch time comes – no talent – gains some yards, but then drops the ball when we need him most – has a fat turd hanging from his butt.
Get rid of him now while he may have some trade value.
DMAC: big jackass with serial foot problems; he ran right over several bottom tier teams. So what? Top tier teams shut him down; he looked the same as Bush averaging less than 60 yds. End result of his presence on the team for the last 4 yrs ?? zipp0, nada, zilch.
Get rid of him too while he has some trade value.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
There IS hope:
This club can get turned around in a year; notice the 49′ers at 13 and 3. I remember a high intensity loud mouth named Mike Singletary. He just didn’t have what it took; same as Hue.
The 49′ers gave up only a single running TD all season, while making a man of Alex Smith. Sever Stank AL; attenuate his taint.
It’s time.
Blow up the team Mark, top to bottom. Let’s just move forward. You can do it, boy. It’s not rocket science. If you are afraid to fire Hue, let me do it for you. I’ll bring my ax handle.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Seymour Bush
is it that hard to read? Did you miss the “this year”? Why bring up what Rex did last year?
lol, Andy Reid was supposed to get to the Super Bowl. You think he had a better season than Hue?
wow.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Palmer:
He’s seen better days: worst trade ever, thanks to Hue. Palmer will never be better than he was this season. And JC is no answer either: a competent game manager will never gain a SuperBowl.
Fact is, running ability of a QB is the 12th man who cannot be defended. I won’t elaborate: the QB must have the ability to scramble and complete a busted play through improvisation.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
People want to get rid of Hue Jackson now?.
You gotta be freaking kidding me.
Don’t you remember what it was like for the Raiders before Jackson came here?.
I’ll remind you, nothing to play for by late ocotber- november, we could not manage to win more than 5 games a year.
Jackson’s area of expertise is offense and he has delivered, he arrived last year and completely turned around an anemic unit, that’s why we were able to break the losing seasons streak.
We have 16 wins is 2 years thanks to his offense, it would have taken 4 years to get them the way things used to be…..now he has to get the defense fixed.
But after his 1st year as a Head Coach, yes don’t forget he was a rookie himself, in a season where:
- There was no offseason and hardly a training camp to break the new coach in.
- The team’s GM friggin died (whatever you think of Al, his presence allowed the coaches to focus on coaching).
- Your starting QB, only the most important position on the field and your star RB, only your best player on the team, were lost for the season after week 7.
- You are forced to bring in a QB from the street and ask him to step in the middle of a playoff battle without your only difference-maker (D-Mac) and an inexperienced WR corps that was just getting in-synch when Ford and Moore started to miss games too.
I’m glad he spoke out yesterday….this team was put in position to win 10 or 11 games, the Defensive Coordinator and the defensive players did not deliver and Hue said what needed to be said.
I would have been upset if he hadn’t called people out…. what happened yesterday and so many times with the defense was unacceptable and I’m happy it seems he’s about to make some big changes.
Those are grown men out there making a ton of money, who gives a crap if they’re offended, they should be embarrassed.
And yes Hue covered for them all year long while everyone here cursed them out, now the season is over and Jackson can say what he wants because it won’t disrupt chemistry and stuff, those who did their job know he’s not talking about them, but those who didn’t know they better step up or be gone.
Jackson was a rookie coach, he’s learning too but I liked his attitude and agressive play-calling, he showed balls as well by making some gutsy calls that not many rookie HC’s would even think about.
After all, if someone had told you before the season started that we would lose Jason Campbell and McFadden by week 8, but that we would be playing for the Division on week 17 you would not have believed it, but Hue did it, he moved quickly on Palmer to save the season and kept the team alive, gotta give him credit.
Hue deserves 2 more years, no doubt about it (unless something awful goes down next year).
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
I am not saying CP is a terrible QB; he’s just seen better days and will not improve in subsequent seasons. Hue should have just gone with Terrel Pryor who, with his running ability could won as many games as CP. But, like most of the posters here, Hue mislead himself when he thought the Raiders could make it to the playoffs.
Self-Delusion is a very sad thing.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Also stupid to say Hue outperformed, when most of those went 8-8.
Hue: “8-8 is 8-8 anyway you slice it.”
Even Hue doesn’t agree with you Alex.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Alex7, I don’t dislike Hue but when you get ahead of yourself and start claiming you are going to “build a bully”, win the division etc etc. You open yourself up to this criticism…Just like Lebron. lol I
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
When Jackson left the podium at his presser the aids should have been shouting “dead man walking”…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
djohnny
of course Hue will get more than one year. He’ll get an extension in the next 11 months.
Really, rational guys like you and me are only in here to try and balance out the nonsense on this blog.
Inside the NFL, everyone knows Hue turned the Raiders around.
Everyone knows the D will get a makeover.
NOBODY in NFL circles thinks Hue is anywhere near a hot seat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
We all knew the Chuck Bresnahan hiring was a mistake.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
hue bought two new suits for his playoff interviews….need to return them hue
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
so miami
you don’t think most coaches at some point in pre-season state that they’re mission is to win the division?
really?
“Well, our goal is to finish 3rd and play like wimps.”
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Chuck Bresnahan was plan b.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Any word on the firing of Chucky B yet? Does Hue keep him for one more year? Is he in the package to gett’er done next year? Well, I’m sure even Chuck can’t do no worse next year, only place is up. Lets go Chucky B and get that D. Just Defense Baby!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
C’mon Alex, you know what I’m saying. Lead by your actions not by non sense claims. It’s all good!
Go Raiders!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
It seems very simple but I guess since this is a blog we’re gonna come up with all kinds of reasons we didn’t make the playoffs.
If we had a good enough D to stop a team from going 98 and 99 1/2 yds. for a TD NOT a fg but a TD, than we are in the playoffs and we aren’t talking about firing Hue.
Heck, if we had ANY other D in the league switch uniforms with us…take your pick; we win against:
-Buffalo
-Detroit
-SD
Carson threw for 417 yds. in the final game. He hardly got touched, no less sacked.
THE D IS THE PROBLEM.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
KK
isn’t it funny that truly, truly, fans could have made some better decisions for the Raiders than Mr. Davis?
Don’t hire Chuck.
Allow zone D to be taught and developed.
Allow blitzes.
Don’t draft DHB that high.
Don’t draft JaMarcus after you’ve heard him interview.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Al fired Marshall, who had brought the Defense up to #11, then hired Chuck Bresnahan.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:17 pm
We all knew the Chuck Bresnahan hiring was a mistake.
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I didn’t. I believed in him. Chuck wasn’t on the field when the defense shat their drawers. He wasn’t out there for the 98 yard shat and wasn’t out ther for the 99 1/2 yard shat. His drawers were clean. Well, maybe piss stains but certainly not shat.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
lol…zone d like cover 2 with a mlb deep lol, what about double safety blitzes like chucky b,
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Don’t draft JaMarcus after you’ve heard him interview.
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You’re a vile cretin racist pig.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
miami
be honest. Were you against Jon Gruden’s “I don’t care what’s been done here in the past…” talks?
Were you against his fired-up style?
You think players don’t LOVE hearing talk like that?
You think players prefer Art Shells and Norv Turner push-overs with Mr. Davis around?
Were you against Jon Gruden’s
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Wasn’t Bresnahan hired as a linebackers coach or whatever, then made our d.cord because we couldn’t hire a real coach to improve our poor run d? Plan B coach!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
We ALL KNEW hiring Chuck Bresnahan was a huge mistake!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Does any fan know how Richard Seymour made it to the Pro Bowl? I watched 16 games and can’t for the life of me understand. Anybody???
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Al Davis your wrong Payton manning and Tom Brady are pocket qbs and were the best I. The bizz it’s nice when a qb can scramble but not necessary
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Al fired Marshall, who had brought the Defense up to #11, then hired Chuck Bresnahan.
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Just doesn’t add up. Maybe it does with an abucus, but not on the field.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:24 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Does any fan know how Richard Seymour made it to the Pro Bowl? I watched 16 games and can’t for the life of me understand. Anybody???
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He’s good?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Chuck definitely was on the field for those drives. He works there, on that field. He teaches on that field. He instructs on that field. He calls plays on that field. He makes adjustments on that field.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
We ALL KNEW hiring Chuck Bresnahan was a huge mistake!
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Made economical and financial sense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
I loved Jon Grudens talk but he backed it up with wins and steady improvement. Thats why I’m telling you that I don’t dislike Hue, I think he had too much on his plate to digest.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Al Davis’ Defense, period.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Seymour made the pro bowl the same way 20 interception Philip Rivers made it. Name recognition.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:26 pm
Our D sucked no doubt but…
Gannon shows up and guess what?
JINX!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Chuck definitely was on the field for those drives. He works there, on that field. He teaches on that field. He instructs on that field. He calls plays on that field. He makes adjustments on that field.
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My bad. It was him who let Gates get by. And he must of slipped when he was covering Megatron.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:27 pm
Love him or hate him (both for me), Al Davis set this franchise backward when he traded Jon Gruden. Just about every decision he made after that was questionable, and wasting the #1 pick on that bum from LSU proved that he couldn’t run the team anymore. This is no job for people that reach the age of 70 or above and in poor health. FACT!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
I blame Davis more than Chuck for what happened here, but Chuck is just not the 3/4 hybrid man-zone DC that’s wanted here.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Al Davis’ final nail in the coffin. Final act of dysfunction, hopefully.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
captain balls
should all teams just let go of those pointless coaches then?
why are so many people so football-dumb in here?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Bob Marley, Normally you are the staid voice of reason in here. But I could not disagree with your post more. He had continuity. Teams like Carolina and San Francisco did not. They seemed to do fine with a much harder row to hoe. Not having Davis probably made things EASIER for Hue. And he had no one to blame. Everyone has injuries. Just another excuse.
Now, what did Hue promise: he would build a bully. That was the softest Raider team I have seen in three years. And these Raider teams have been soft. We would make the playoffs. We didn’t. He would get the penalties under control. He didn’t. We would win. We didn’t. What did jackson accomplish that he said he would? He failed at EVERYTHING.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
Bresnahan sucks ****. The A hole ca,led the same game everytime regardless of personnel.
They couldn’t run it right?
On them.
What a tool.
Tried to claim Hue or someone else was hand cuffing him AFTER Al died.
Whatever…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
I will say that giving the franchise keys to Hue was Al’s final move, and a good one.
He basically re-hired Gruden as a final move, and gave him GM powers.
Interesting, no?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Alex, you’re right. If the Raiders fired Hue right now the whole world would be making jokes like “Wow, I guess Al Davis lives after all”. Or “Well, nothings changed in Oakland” etc.
We would be a joke…again.
If nothing else two non-losing seasons in a row accounts for us at least not being a bad joke.
Are most of us bitterly disappointed? Yes. Am I ok with 8-8…again? Heck no, but firing Hue when it was (sorry I have to say this) Al Davis’s defense AND Coordinator that lost it for us is not the way to go.
We all want heads to roll for not making it when it was all there for the taking.
To fire Hue now is not giving him a fair shake.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:29 pm
captain balls
should all teams just let go of those pointless coaches then?
why are so many people so football-dumb in here?
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You don’t think with the proper training, film study, coaching clinics, sonar deep meditation that Chuck can improve? He is after all a bargain basement steal.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
I still don’t understand why Wimbley was at linebacker when he wreaked so much havoc the last time he played at defensive end against the Chargirls?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:30 pm
why are so many people so football-dumb in here?
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There’s more trolls here than fans.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
It is time to turn the chapter and enter the 21st century for our beloved team. Get a competent GM, Mr. Davis. P.S. Get Chuck B off of the payroll NOW, PLEASE!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Miami
Gruden backed it up with wins?
He was 8-8 his first TWO seasons.
He was 6-2 at one point in one of those 8-8 seasons.
Your credibility is slipping here.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:32 pm
503. He faced immeasurable odds. This team would;ve gone it the ****er the moments we lost DMC and Campbell but no, Hue went and got Palmer who will lead this team to greatness.
He faced extreme pressure all rookie season and rose to it.
He re-ignited the O that sat dormant for 6 yrs.
Hue will get some help next season and THEN we’ll see…
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Having Mcfadden sit out the year, so his buddy Mike Bush could get his contract on, hurt.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:33 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
Does any fan know how Richard Seymour made it to the Pro Bowl? I watched 16 games and can’t for the life of me understand. Anybody???
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Seymour made the game saving tackle on Mark Sanchez on the last play of the game 4 inches from the end zone. He blocked not one but two kicks two weeks ago. He played lights out early in the season. Right there without him this team would have been 5-11 maybe 4-12. That’s how.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
509. Yup
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Time will tell, Alex. Time will tell. I feel we finally have the right QB. Now to get healthy pieces on offense for him, and just an AVERAGE defense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Chucky B defense might not be able to stop a leaky toilet, but they vaulted Denver into the playoffs. That alone should of got him fired like yesterday. Him and the entire defense unit.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Alex you numbskull, Al didn’t give Hue GM powers. Hue got the SAME contract that Cable, Kiffin, etc got. They answer to Al Davis only (who is GM/Owner). Al wasn’t planning on passing away. This contractual issue will be fixed when a GM is hired autonomously by Mark Davis thru Madden/Herock/Wolf’s recommendations.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Alex…lol I honestly don’t care about credibility in a blog where all people do is argue and diss individuals over their football views. I bet you Hue doesn’t run his mouth as much next year! Lets bet? lol
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Gruden turned 8-8 seasons into the playoffs when:
Gannon had a second season in the system.
Gruden was allowed to bring in veteran “non-Davis” players.
Gruden let go “prevent D” Willie Shaw.
hmmm, interesting parallels.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
514. Losing Matt Shaughnessy hurt Seymour. Teams could single Bryant or Moss with ease at double Seymour and Big Sey missed him in the rotation too. The old warrior had to see more reps and it showed late.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:36 pm
518. Mayock for GM
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Mike White was 8-2 and dropped his last 6 to put us at 8-8. He got canned. Jackson was 7-4 and should have dropped his last 5. Instead he went 1-4 to drop himself to 8-8. And you guys want to buy him a present?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:38 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
Alex you numbskull, Al didn’t give Hue GM powers. Hue got the SAME contract that Cable, Kiffin, etc got. They answer to Al Davis only (who is GM/Owner). Al wasn’t planning on passing away. This contractual issue will be fixed when a GM is hired autonomously by Mark Davis thru Madden/Herock/Wolf’s recommendations.
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Hue jumped on the opportunity when the figurehead was absent from the picture. Any coach would of siezed that moment to wrestle that kind of power. I doubt in Hues contract he was to be named GM in the event of Als’ passing. Hue got power hungry and the situation was ripe for picking.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Palmer will always be a Good Passer, but he takes too many sacks, throws too many interceptions, and can’t make any plays with his legs.
He’ll put up yardage numbers, but not wins.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
So GG,
final questions for the night.
Do you think Mr. Davis taught those other coaches the GM business for hours and hours, as he did with Hue?
Once you answer no, tell me why he bothered with Hue?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm
fckng defense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Seymour, unfortunately some connection to 1995 again, but this time it is different. I like Alex plan on 520.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 pm
So, Seymour Bush
You would have fired Gruden for starting 6-2 and finishing 8-8.
you suck.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Hue knows what he is doing.
Things will get better when he can bring in the players he wants to fit his system. Bringing in a new D-coord will help us out big time. I have full faith in Hue and won’t be worried next season. Things get worse before they get better. Two 8-8 seasons after so many losing ones…….i personally think the worse is behind us already and it’s time for the better.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Defense sucks ass, we need a team of players. Not ass grinders. Our D shoulda been beatin off the SD offense furiously. Instead they bent over and opened wide for the big one.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
I have not heard one good reason why Jackson should remain. I have heard every excuse in the book tho. Some one give me just one good reason why Jackson should stay. Right now I think we should bring in Polian or Reggie McKenzie and clean house once and for all.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
And one correction: we were up 10 when Sanchez was stopped at the goal line. It was not a game saving play. Nonetheless, I do admit losing Shaughnessy was another devasting blow to this team. SF would have been no better than 8-8 if they lost as many players for the season as we did.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:43 pm
The GM hire will come from the Packers organization. You have Herock, McKenzie and Wolf who are all closely tied with Al and the Raiders, and who all have carved out their roles in the Packers resurgences over several decades (even Herock’s son is currently in player personnel at Green Bay).
If Madden can pull it off, convincing these guys to come and rebuild the Raiders, that’s not to be sneezed at, and Hue being a speed bump on that road is not important. Coaches are plentiful, old and young, experienced and inexperienced. A top-shelf front office is the key to ANY business success, football or not.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Hue put up the #9 offense
Bresnahan put up the #29 Defense.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Seymour and GG, here is your one reason to keep Hue: he brought our offense out of the freakin’ stone ages. We lost the last 2 home games with 26 and 27 points on the GD board! YOUR DEFENSE STINKS WORSE THAN A 2 BIT HO!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
seymour,
avoiding the question, or missed it?
Would you have fired Gruden for going from 6-2 to 8-8 in 1999?
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:47 pm
alex7 Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
So GG,
final questions for the night.
Do you think Mr. Davis taught those other coaches the GM business for hours and hours, as he did with Hue?
Once you answer no, tell me why he bothered with Hue?
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You’re an idiot seriously. Hue was not specially trained by Al. That’s Hue’s typical BS that you swallow like you do all his pressers. Hue, Tom and Lance ALL sat there with Al learning about the NFL, GM’ing, the old times, Al telling stories and giving advise about every aspect of football. That was Al, he was a very knowledgable brain who liked to impart his knowledge and know-how to all who worked for him. All coaches, co-ordinators, position coaches, players, front office people.
This post of yours finally PROVES to me you know jack sheet about what you’re talking about.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Why the Hell Al Davis fired Marshall for Chuck Bresnahan is one of his decisions that is unfathomable.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
GG, Write it down. Hue stays, and Chuck B is effin’ outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:50 pm
Why did Al teach Ron Wolf and John Madden and Tom Flores everything they know? Why do all who have worked with Al, including people not in the Raiders, guys like Jerry Jones, Debartolo, etc etc, they all back this up, that Al always was willing to teach people the business of the NFL, Al even admitted this was a failing of his, teaching other people secrets of success that helped other organizations.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:52 pm
seymour bush would have fired:
- BILL WALSH for going 2-14
- Gruden after going 8-8 back to back.
- Bill Cowher for 7-9 and 6-10 back to back.
- Jeff Fisher for going 1-6 rookie season.
- Jimmy Johnson for 1-15.
- Tom Coughlin for 4-12.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
beach Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:48 pm
GG, Write it down. Hue stays, and Chuck B is effin’ outta here!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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You don’t even realize that I’m all for Bresnahan being fired lol. All I’m doing here, among many others, is showing up Alex and other shills why Hue is also in the hot seat, and that Hue made many mistakes, but these guys like to think Hue is untouchable and has the keys to the city.
All I know for sure is, madden/wolf/herock will advise mark accordingly, if they can pull it off getting mckenzie/etc to come here, you can bet hue will get re-interviewed at the very least, fired not a surprise, especially in light of hue demanding more control, shooting his mouth off, and jeapordizing the raiders from hiring a top-shelf GM due to Hue being a problem there potentially.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:55 pm
GG
there are zero links about Kiffin, Gruden, or Cable being taught GM duties by Al. In fact, Davis would go out of his way to remind them they had NO say in that realm.
There are links though to having those talks with Hue.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:56 pm
lol Hue in the hot seat, ZERO reports on it.
Strange, in this internet age and all.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:57 pm
GG, I respect your opinion. A new GM may want a different Head Coach. I just think you are being a little stubborn about Hue. He is not jeopardizing us getting a bonafide GM. I just don’t see that.
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:58 pm
GG Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:53 pm
All I know for sure is, madden/wolf/herock will advise mark accordingly, if they can pull it off getting mckenzie/etc to come here, you can bet hue will get re-interviewed at the very least, fired not a surprise, especially in light of hue demanding more control, shooting his mouth off, and jeapordizing the raiders from hiring a top-shelf GM due to Hue being a problem there potentially.
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I think thats the same mouth I was referring to! Thats why I fired him on Madden, the video game. =)
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 pm
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You don’t think with the proper training, film study, coaching clinics, sonar deep meditation that Chuck can improve? He is after all a bargain basement steal.
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I think the only people that want Chuck B. to stick around are the Raiders opponents.
They love the guy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 am
For instance, all you guys cream your pants wishing, “oh if we could get cowher, schottenheimer, parcells that would be a dream and i dont care about hue if we can get one of them, they will right this ship.”
Well, here’s your chance, ron wolf, eliot wolf, reggie mckenzie, shaun herock, (not to mention dad ken herock) all these guys are imbedded in the packers front office for decades, the reason for their consistent rebuilding, playoff appearances, and super bowl appearances.
These guys are top-shelf. It will be hard enough to convince them here. Impossible in the Al days dreaming of the Cowhers, Parcells, etc. But right now we have a chance, but Hue can jeopardize that with his demands and postulating.
If we blow this and Hue ends up staying here with a token ‘gm’, because these guys were reluctant to come here if Hue was gonna be a problem, then you can see me in a year with all of you throwing hue under a bus.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Al Davis to non-Hue coaches:
“No, you can NOT bring in Monte Kiffin.”
“Your job is to COACH THE TEAM!”
“Jamarcus Russell is a good quarterback, get over it!”
Al Davis to Hue:
hours of one-on-one insight and teaching of the GM duties of trades, roster moves, etc.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 am
I want to hear more stories about our new GM coming in and giving Hue a Contract Extension…this story is getting funny.
Any GM that came in and gave the icumbant rookie HC an extension doesn’t deserve to be an NFL GM…
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 am
I’d like to see Kevin Greene on our defensive staff.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 am
Hue will do much better with the O when we get a D-coord in here that can have a defense make stops and not have the D on the field giving up 90+ drives that cost games.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:03 am
the game has long-passed Cowher and Parcells.
Fisher, benched a 5-3 Vince Young and put in Kerry Collins, who promptly went 1-7 to get the Titans out of playoff contention.
No intelligent Raider fan wants those guys.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 am
GG,
I think the guys you mentioned would agree to give Hue one more year to right the ship and demand the right to fire him if he doesn’t get it done.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:06 am
poor Alex is really gripping hard. And he sounds really strangely almost identical to MR. Weird.
But, let’s have some fun here. Let’s say I am Bill Polian the six time NFL Exec of the Year and I have been hired by the Raiders to be their GM. I am going to ask you guys as my interview with Hue Jackson, “Hue why should I keep you as Head Coach?” One question. Someone give me Hue’s reply.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 am
Still crying about Hue? Do we have our Hue haters(Raider fans that are females) and Hue supporters(Logical un-emotional Raider fans that must be Male)
The dude inherited a franchise that has nothing in the last decade expect suck, most penalized team that NO ONE can fix, no GM, Al’s Crappy Defense and D Coordinator.
When Hue was brought in as OC, THEN we got better. When we were 7-4, everyone was on his and Carson’s nuts.
All along Chuck B, again an AL hire was sabotaging our team with the worst D we have ever seen!!
He needs an offseason, a “Real”, not a lockout, A GM which is normal to have, Carson needs an offseason with his young Teceivers who were hurt all year.
We just needed our D to play average that’s all.
Hue is part of the solution, not the Problem.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 am
Great season wrap interview with Hue.
He touched on everything and he was on point and up front about everything also!
Give this guy a REAL D Coordinator with a solid D coaching staff and add some more depth on defense and when this defense is a top 15 defense, heck even top 20 defense, they will be in the playoffs.
We need DMC for a full year and those penalties need to be reduced.
Hue even admitted the league pracitcally apologizes to him about the shady calls from the refs that happen against this team and organization.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 am
Djohnnyg…
I think the guys you mentioned would agree to give Hue one more year to right the ship and demand the right to fire him if he doesn’t get it done.
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They wont if Hue is still pushing and shooting off.
That’s why we have the fall-back options of Tom Gamble and Scott McCloughlan who are like last resort options who probably would be happy to come here and work with Hue but are not in the same echelon as the Packers guys and DeCosta (who wont come here because he’s being groomed to under Ozzie).
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Dude helped us believe in our team.
Not even Gruden sold out all 8 games.
The Nation believed again, ask all the fans who showed up what they believe, they believe in Hue.
He needs 1 more year. Shoot, Cable, Norvelle, they got more than 1 year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Let’s say I am Bill Polian the six time NFL Exec of the Year and I have been hired by the Raiders to be their GM. I am going to ask you guys as my interview with Hue Jackson, “Hue why should I keep you as Head Coach?” One question. Someone give me Hue’s reply.
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because i’m a riverboat gambler, who’s building a bully, gonna have ‘em playing like a Raider, i love mid week gamesmanship, i always take the blame for my team, until the end of the season,… i KNEW Al Davis, who by the way, taught me EVERYTHING HE knew about football in the few hours iw as able to spend with him during his final year, and well, Al said, “we’ll win it in the end”…can i keep my job? and No , he didn’t say the end of what…
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 am
Al Davis to non-Hue coaches:
“No, you can NOT bring in Monte Kiffin.”
“Your job is to COACH THE TEAM!”
“Jamarcus Russell is a good quarterback, get over it!”
Al Davis to Hue:
hours of one-on-one insight and teaching of the GM duties of trades, roster moves, etc.
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Now we are no longer on Hue Jackson and the Raider future. We have descended back five years and it’s all Al Davis’s fault all over again. Why does this sound very mysteriously identical to MR?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
Seymour, as has been posted often:
Pre-Hue Raiders: 29-83
Hue Raiders: 16-16
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
No contract extension for Hue. Not now. But he deserves one more year to get us to the playoffs…and more.
If Hue doesn’t like that, then what happens to him…happens.
As much as I think he deserves another shot, he is not in a position to demand multi year contract or else.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 am
Prediction:
Jeff Fisher will be the HC of the Indianapolis Colts so that he can have Andrew Luck. (BTW, what a classy , bright kid is Luck).
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 am
“The GM hire will come from the Packers organization. You have Herock, McKenzie and Wolf who are all closely tied with Al and the Raiders, and who all have carved out their roles in the Packers resurgences over several decades (even Herock’s son is currently in player personnel at Green Bay).
If Madden can pull it off, convincing these guys to come and rebuild the Raiders, that’s not to be sneezed at, and Hue being a speed bump on that road is not important. Coaches are plentiful, old and young, experienced and inexperienced. A top-shelf front office is the key to ANY business success, football or not.”
GG, I think you’re absolutely right.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 am
303Raider…
Here’s the uncomfortable truth.
Al didn’t plan on passing away any time soon. He hired Hue to OC (and Hue did a great job as OC), knowing he was going to remove Cable and replace him with another young upstart cheap inexperienced guy as HC, saddle him with Al’s typical Bresnahan type DCs who have to follow Al’s schemes etc. And Hue would have had another year if Al didn’t pass away, he wouldve been absolutely pissed with Hue with going from 7-4 to 8-8, but would’ve retained him and given him one more chance, then kicked him to the curb hiring another young cheap upstart, being unable and unwilling to hire any good DCs running their own ideas, and yearly still selling us the “greatness of the raiders” talk every new year.
You have to see Hue for what he truly was/is. Just a cheap young guy with Al still running things the way they’d always been run, and the sub.500 and .500 seasons continuing.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 am
It’s mind boggling that we had officials at every practice calling penalties but not only did we regress, we broke the record for penalties.
I watched the fake punt pass (first Charger game), where Lechler tossed it to Ford and the corner was pushing him out of bounds…the sideline judge had the flag halfway out of his pocket and we all know how that turned out. Maybe these refs need to do a better job of knowing what the rules are because, obviously, that guy didn’t.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 am
I think Spagnolo winds up in Philly because of his east coast roots and connections from learning from the great 4-3 DC Jim Johnson.
Raiders need target Bay Area home grown prodcut from Hayward High, who went to USC and is a Raider fan to this day…JACK DEL RIO to be the new D Coordinator IF they stick to the 4-3.
He will bring intensity, pride, discipline, smarts and toughness to this Raider defense and a true leader to those D players.
I think they need to move Wimbley to full time RDE keep his hand down and have go after the QB and cause disruption in the backfield every down.
He can’t cover as a SAM and he gets lost in space as a SAM OLB. Raiders have needed a full time 4-3 rush RDE for years, they have him and his name is Wimbley. Have him earn his money by letting him do what he does best and that is go after the QB from the RDE spot.
Sign two vet OLB’s and make sure one of them can be a backup MLB, who will push McClain to be better and the other to push Curry to be better. Resign Branch and add another vet corner who is bigger and stronger than Lito, DVD, Routt, and Chekwa.
Add a young physical DT/NT who can learn from Seymour and develop.
They need to play Houston and Bryant inside more also next year and give Seymour more rest.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 am
djohnnyg Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 am
No contract extension for Hue. Not now. But he deserves one more year to get us to the playoffs…and more.
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If we are going to bring in a GM to run football operations, which is all but inevitable, you can kiss Jackson goodbye.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 am
Good and true post on #557 303Raider
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 am
Last I checked since HueJax came in, we are undefeated on the road in our division in last 2 years. That is a start.
Offense scored avg of 25 plus points in 4 of our losses.
D was the problem. Penalties have ALWAYS been an issue WAY before Hue.
1 year, normal offseason, GM, new DC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
djohnny,
he’s getting an extension after next season. It’s logical. Best coach since Gruden. One of the few even willing to work here. Best season since 2002. Best offense since 2002. Fans finally showing up to games. Raiders getting multiple prime-time games.
Those in the know, know Hue’s turned this franchise around. He’ll get an extension next year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
I’ll sum up 16 weeks of Hue Jackson press conferences right here:
On any bad results:
“It’s on me. But I won’t admit to any specific mistakes. But it is on me. I take it on me.”
On injuries:
“It’s just a nick.”
Every ending to every answer summed up here:
“We are going to fix it. And that’s what we are going to do. Because that’s who we are and we’re going to do it. We have to do it as a football team. Because we are and we will in this game of football. We will do it because it’s on me. It’s on me and we will do it. Because it is what we have to do.”
It’s funny that in the end he negated all that nonspecific “on me” crap at the end of the year by saying he was just holding back all year, and now that the season is over, he really meant to say “My players just sucked”.
I let my emotions get the best of me with Hue, due to his positive vibes. I was just so happy to be rid of Cable. Especially after Al died, and they beat Houston. I loved and still love the Palmer trade. But honestly my objective analysis shows me that he is not mentally capable of being a head coach. All his successes this year could have been done as an offensive coordinator (like last year). All his failures were in his role as a head coach:
- Rolando McClain (letting him go home without strict instructions on how to conduct himself, and then giving him zero consequences)
- Record breaking penalties without benching a single player or even calling them out publicly
- Not being able to rally the team going into second half/allowing epic collapses late in games time and time again. Most of our wins came only because the other team ran out of time or came up just short in their comebacks that were unfolding before our eyes (remember Houston?). And most of our losses came by unheard-of collapses and last-minute 100-yard drives from the other team. Great coaches motivate their troops at half time. Hue, it seems, had the opposite effect all year.
- Not being bold enough to make drastic changes on D when it was apparent that our D was one of the worst we’ve ever had despite having previously good players (wasn’t our D-line supposd to be among best in NFL?)
- Not convincing McFadden to shoot up his foot, pop some painkillers, and at least try to practice. Screw playing it safe with that foot. The doctor even told him there was no risk of long-term consequences from playing. He could play if he could deal with the pain. Hue should have gotten him to practice at least for a week and work through the pain. He would have had all offseason to rest…Now nobody will ever know if he was capable of playing… I understand letting him rest for 30-40 days with Bush playing well. But Bush was slow as molasses the last 5 games or so.
- Getting rid of some potentially good/solid players (Sterling Moore, Brown) and having to rely on Giordano and Shepphard… A true head coach would have realized right away that those two don’t belong in the NFL… But Jackson’s strength is not in player eval (especially on D), it’s in designing offensive schemes and preparing players to execute them…
If he is to remain head coach of the Raiders, he needs to have less control, not more. He also needs someone to help manage the games, and tell him “NO!” when he is running a play with 11 seconds left in the half and Janikowski already within range. Or “Go for 2!” when it would put them within a field goal, or “Don’t throw a deep pass!” when you realy need to manage the clock. He made so many mistakes this year that should have never never ever ever been made. I could go on and on with his “rookie” mistakes, but I don’t know if he ever admitted they were mistakes. He actually defended some of them. In the end, he confirmed what I knew he was thinking all along: It wasn’t “on me”, he was just saying that because he had arbitrarily decided early on in the year to say that after every loss, thinking he’d get credit for being a “player’s coach”. In fact, he didn’t mean a word of it because he never took credit for any glaring mistakes that cost us games.
I want him to improve next year, but I am afraid some of his shortcomings aren’t the type that go away with time, especially if he doesn’t admit to them.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 am
They wont if Hue is still pushing and shooting off.
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What does this mean? Give an example. Give me one example of Hue “mouthing off”. Just how do you define mouthing off? A football coach taking charge of his football team and being vocal about it, in other words, an employee taking on as much responsibility as he can, something that is encouraged and well rewarded in the business world, is “mouthing off”? Just doesn’t make sense, GG.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
# 303Raider Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Dude helped us believe in our team.
Not even Gruden sold out all 8 games.
The Nation believed again, ask all the fans who showed up what they believe, they believe in Hue.
He needs 1 more year. Shoot, Cable, Norvelle, they got more than 1 year.
^^^^^^^
Exactly. Plus the potential crop of available head coaches this year is just WEAK!
Fisher will go to Indy or Indy. Cowher aint coming back and neither is Gruden and Reid is staying in Philly most likely and will probably hire Spagnolo to be his DC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
GG, has it ever occurred to you that Mark likes Hue’s style? If that’s the case, you’d better learn to lighten up and change your outlook on this football team. Because Mark is their official owner and managing general partner.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Great season wrap interview with Hue.
He touched on everything and he was on point and up front about everything also!
Give this guy a REAL D Coordinator with a solid D coaching staff and add some more depth on defense and when this defense is a top 15 defense, heck even top 20 defense, they will be in the playoffs.
We need DMC for a full year and those penalties need to be reduced.
Hue even admitted the league pracitcally apologizes to him about the shady calls from the refs that happen against this team and organization!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Now, with Madden especially being so close to Carol, he was gracious and big to take time away and spend time now post-Al looking to help resurrect the Raiders and evaluating Hue.
He talked to Ron and got him on side. And they’ve been doing their best to try to bring over the Packers guys to the Raiders. They will want and deserve full power to run it how they brought the Packers to consistent greatness. Hue is nothing to them. They did not hire him. They COULD keep him on board for a year just to ease the transition over, but if they dont want to that’s totally fine. Tears for Hue are insane when the real coup here would be finally getting what we’ve been dreaming about for years — when Al passes a genuine GM regime to rebuild the raiders.
Trust in John and Ron, whatever they recommend is 100% right. If that means Hue is out, embrace it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Post 567 is spot on:
Hue is another of the Al only hires because Al scared off any experienced HC w/ enough juice to get another shot…and for al the Gruden’s. we got 4 Cable types, and thus, Hue…same w/ the DC position.
Hell , the last thing Al was doing on the friday night before his passing was writting our the Depth Chart that Hue was using for the Houston game…
Sure sounds like Hue was running the show, oh wait, no he wassn’t…
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
VanHeathen Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 am
Let’s say I am Bill Polian the six time NFL Exec of the Year and I have been hired by the Raiders to be their GM. I am going to ask you guys as my interview with Hue Jackson, “Hue why should I keep you as Head Coach?” One question. Someone give me Hue’s reply.
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because i’m a riverboat gambler,
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Jackson really was aggressive at lst. And I loved that. But as the season went on he got more and more conservative, and would demonstrate some very obvious tendencies (like running reverses at midfield.) If the truth be told, I like Jackson. I like Jackson’s offense, I like Jackson as a person, I like that Jackson did not hold back when Campbell went down. But the 1-4 end to the season has me questioning whether he lost the team and should be brought back.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 am
I think Spagnolo winds up in Philly because of his east coast roots and connections from learning from the great 4-3 DC Jim Johnson.
Raiders need target Bay Area home grown prodcut from Hayward High, who went to USC and is a Raider fan to this day…JACK DEL RIO to be the new D Coordinator IF they stick to the 4-3.
He will bring intensity, pride, discipline, smarts and toughness to this Raider defense and a true leader to those D players.
I think they need to move Wimbley to full time RDE keep his hand down and have go after the QB and cause disruption in the backfield every down.
He can’t cover as a SAM and he gets lost in space as a SAM OLB. Raiders have needed a full time 4-3 rush RDE for years, they have him and his name is Wimbley. Have him earn his money by letting him do what he does best and that is go after the QB from the RDE spot.
Sign two vet OLB’s and make sure one of them can be a backup MLB, who will push McClain to be better and the other to push Curry to be better. Resign Branch and add another vet corner who is bigger and stronger than Lito, DVD, Routt, and Chekwa.
Add a young physical DT/NT who can learn from Seymour and develop.
They need to play Houston and Bryant inside more also next year and give Seymour more rest!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 am
GG, then what will you say when those Packer guys in our front office start “mouthing off”? You know, when they start saying things like, “their vision”?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 am
574-Great post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 am
it was reported widely that Mr. Davis’ health was rapidly deteriorating, that he was no longer traveling with the team much, and you could SEE things had gotten much worse the last year.
To state Mr. Davis wasn’t aware he was passing away, and planned accordingly, is silly.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 am
GG doesn’t like those “we’re going to win the division” statements, sullivan.
GG prefers those “yes sir, no ma’m, let me shine your shoe” types.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 am
because, obviously, Al preached humility above all else. As did Gruden.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 am
Stuart Schweigert Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
I’ll sum up 16 weeks of Hue Jackson press conferences right here:
On any bad results:
“It’s on me. But I won’t admit to any specific mistakes. But it is on me. I take it on me.”
On injuries:
“It’s just a nick.”
Every ending to every answer summed up here:
“We are going to fix it. And that’s what we are going to do. Because that’s who we are and we’re going to do it. We have to do it as a football team. Because we are and we will in this game of football. We will do it because it’s on me. It’s on me and we will do it. Because it is what we have to do.”
It’s funny that in the end he negated all that nonspecific “on me” crap at the end of the year by saying he was just holding back all year, and now that the season is over, he really meant to say “My players just sucked”.
I let my emotions get the best of me with Hue, due to his positive vibes. I was just so happy to be rid of Cable. Especially after Al died, and they beat Houston. I loved and still love the Palmer trade. But honestly my objective analysis shows me that he is not mentally capable of being a head coach. All his successes this year could have been done as an offensive coordinator (like last year). All his failures were in his role as a head coach:
- Rolando McClain (letting him go home without strict instructions on how to conduct himself, and then giving him zero consequences)
- Record breaking penalties without benching a single player or even calling them out publicly
- Not being able to rally the team going into second half/allowing epic collapses late in games time and time again. Most of our wins came only because the other team ran out of time or came up just short in their comebacks that were unfolding before our eyes (remember Houston?). And most of our losses came by unheard-of collapses and last-minute 100-yard drives from the other team. Great coaches motivate their troops at half time. Hue, it seems, had the opposite effect all year.
- Not being bold enough to make drastic changes on D when it was apparent that our D was one of the worst we’ve ever had despite having previously good players (wasn’t our D-line supposd to be among best in NFL?)
- Not convincing McFadden to shoot up his foot, pop some painkillers, and at least try to practice. Screw playing it safe with that foot. The doctor even told him there was no risk of long-term consequences from playing. He could play if he could deal with the pain. Hue should have gotten him to practice at least for a week and work through the pain. He would have had all offseason to rest…Now nobody will ever know if he was capable of playing… I understand letting him rest for 30-40 days with Bush playing well. But Bush was slow as molasses the last 5 games or so.
- Getting rid of some potentially good/solid players (Sterling Moore, Brown) and having to rely on Giordano and Shepphard… A true head coach would have realized right away that those two don’t belong in the NFL… But Jackson’s strength is not in player eval (especially on D), it’s in designing offensive schemes and preparing players to execute them…
If he is to remain head coach of the Raiders, he needs to have less control, not more. He also needs someone to help manage the games, and tell him “NO!” when he is running a play with 11 seconds left in the half and Janikowski already within range. Or “Go for 2!” when it would put them within a field goal, or “Don’t throw a deep pass!” when you realy need to manage the clock. He made so many mistakes this year that should have never never ever ever been made. I could go on and on with his “rookie” mistakes, but I don’t know if he ever admitted they were mistakes. He actually defended some of them. In the end, he confirmed what I knew he was thinking all along: It wasn’t “on me”, he was just saying that because he had arbitrarily decided early on in the year to say that after every loss, thinking he’d get credit for being a “player’s coach”. In fact, he didn’t mean a word of it because he never took credit for any glaring mistakes that cost us games.
I want him to improve next year, but I am afraid some of his shortcomings aren’t the type that go away with time, especially if he doesn’t admit to them.
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excellent post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 am
Sullivan…you dimwit, mouthing off meaning Hue’s recent pressers demanding more power etc. That’s gonna jeopardize the quality of GM hire.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
VanHeathen Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 am
Post 567 is spot on:
Hue is another of the Al only hires because Al scared off any experienced HC w/ enough juice to get another shot…and for al the Gruden’s. we got 4 Cable types, and thus, Hue…same w/ the DC position.
Hell , the last thing Al was doing on the friday night before his passing was writting our the Depth Chart that Hue was using for the Houston game…
Sure sounds like Hue was running the show, oh wait, no he wassn’t…
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yep, spot on, good observation.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
can someone explain to Seymour Bush how you CONSERVATIVELY throw for 400+ yards on your final game?
The dude is painfully unintelligent on football matters.
That overtime bomb in KC? Conservative.
Fake FG TD call? Conservative.
Going for the jugular vs Lions? Conservative.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 am
Bill Polian comes in and asks Hue why should you be the head coach of the Raiders?
“Because I turned this offense around and have a franchise QB like Palmer and dynamic offensive talent to work with where we can maintain offensive continuity and score points and if we hire a REAL DC and build a strong top 15 defense, I can take this team to the playoffs and beyond.”
“Or you can fire me after my first year, because I am too intense and I mismanaged the clock sometimes, just like every other coach in the NFL does and start all over on offense with a new system and terminology and have the offense regress with another rookie head coach who will make the same mistakes I did in my first year or overpay for a coach like Fisher who will battle you for control and has a big ego. Your choice.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 am
Why not just win the division and not have to bring it up in a press conference? I liked him stating that he was going to build a bully but after a few times of hearing it and not seeing the product on the field, it gets tiring. Reminds me of Ryan in New York, talked a good game, got his team one win away from the bowl twice but came up short. Now he missed the playoffs…It’s just like these fans here in Miami that always talk about the Heat being the best, winning multiple rings etc etc. It’s all talk and when there is no results, it gets olldddddd. Again, I like Hue and I think he could be a good coach, just ease up on all the talk.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 am
GG
maybe this all went over your head, but Hue ran the show AFTER Al passed.
After.
No one has argued otherwise.
In fact, we stick up for Hue because he HASN’T had a chance to bring in his own guys yet.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am
# alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 am
can someone explain to Seymour Bush how you CONSERVATIVELY throw for 400+ yards on your final game?
The dude is painfully unintelligent on football matters.
That overtime bomb in KC? Conservative.
Fake FG TD call? Conservative.
Going for the jugular vs Lions? Conservative.
^^^^^^^^
This blog is full of old stupid trolls or young naive trolls that contradict themselves all the time and are hypocrites.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 am
Stuart Schweigert Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 am
I’ll sum up 16 weeks of Hue Jackson press conferences right here:
On any bad results:
“It’s on me. But I won’t admit to any specific mistakes. But it is on me. I take it on me.”
On injuries:
“It’s just a nick.”
Every ending to every answer summed up here:
“We are going to fix it. And that’s what we are going to do. Because that’s who we are and we’re going to do it. We have to do it as a football team. Because we are and we will in this game of football. We will do it because it’s on me. It’s on me and we will do it. Because it is what we have to do.”
It’s funny that in the end he negated all that nonspecific “on me” crap at the end of the year by saying he was just holding back all year, and now that the season is over, he really meant to say “My players just sucked”.
I let my emotions get the best of me with Hue, due to his positive vibes. I was just so happy to be rid of Cable. Especially after Al died, and they beat Houston. I loved and still love the Palmer trade. But honestly my objective analysis shows me that he is not mentally capable of being a head coach. All his successes this year could have been done as an offensive coordinator (like last year). All his failures were in his role as a head coach:
- Rolando McClain (letting him go home without strict instructions on how to conduct himself, and then giving him zero consequences)
- Record breaking penalties without benching a single player or even calling them out publicly
- Not being able to rally the team going into second half/allowing epic collapses late in games time and time again. Most of our wins came only because the other team ran out of time or came up just short in their comebacks that were unfolding before our eyes (remember Houston?). And most of our losses came by unheard-of collapses and last-minute 100-yard drives from the other team. Great coaches motivate their troops at half time. Hue, it seems, had the opposite effect all year.
- Not being bold enough to make drastic changes on D when it was apparent that our D was one of the worst we’ve ever had despite having previously good players (wasn’t our D-line supposd to be among best in NFL?)
- Not convincing McFadden to shoot up his foot, pop some painkillers, and at least try to practice. Screw playing it safe with that foot. The doctor even told him there was no risk of long-term consequences from playing. He could play if he could deal with the pain. Hue should have gotten him to practice at least for a week and work through the pain. He would have had all offseason to rest…Now nobody will ever know if he was capable of playing… I understand letting him rest for 30-40 days with Bush playing well. But Bush was slow as molasses the last 5 games or so.
- Getting rid of some potentially good/solid players (Sterling Moore, Brown) and having to rely on Giordano and Shepphard… A true head coach would have realized right away that those two don’t belong in the NFL… But Jackson’s strength is not in player eval (especially on D), it’s in designing offensive schemes and preparing players to execute them…
If he is to remain head coach of the Raiders, he needs to have less control, not more. He also needs someone to help manage the games, and tell him “NO!” when he is running a play with 11 seconds left in the half and Janikowski already within range. Or “Go for 2!” when it would put them within a field goal, or “Don’t throw a deep pass!” when you realy need to manage the clock. He made so many mistakes this year that should have never never ever ever been made. I could go on and on with his “rookie” mistakes, but I don’t know if he ever admitted they were mistakes. He actually defended some of them. In the end, he confirmed what I knew he was thinking all along: It wasn’t “on me”, he was just saying that because he had arbitrarily decided early on in the year to say that after every loss, thinking he’d get credit for being a “player’s coach”. In fact, he didn’t mean a word of it because he never took credit for any glaring mistakes that cost us games.
I want him to improve next year, but I am afraid some of his shortcomings aren’t the type that go away with time, especially if he doesn’t admit to them.
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excellent post.
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+1
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 am
miami
29-83 before Hue showed up.
16-16 since.
He IS a good coach. Not will be. Is.
And now, he actually (gasp!) gets to bring in his own coaches on defense, and make roster moves this off-season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 am
I think Spagnolo winds up in Philly because of his east coast roots and connections from learning from the great 4-3 DC Jim Johnson.
Raiders need target Bay Area home grown prodcut from Hayward High, who went to USC and is a Raider fan to this day…JACK DEL RIO to be the new D Coordinator IF they stick to the 4-3.
He will bring intensity, pride, discipline, smarts and toughness to this Raider defense and a true leader to those D players.
I think they need to move Wimbley to full time RDE keep his hand down and have go after the QB and cause disruption in the backfield every down.
He can’t cover as a SAM and he gets lost in space as a SAM OLB. Raiders have needed a full time 4-3 rush RDE for years, they have him and his name is Wimbley. Have him earn his money by letting him do what he does best and that is go after the QB from the RDE spot.
Sign two vet OLB’s and make sure one of them can be a backup MLB, who will push McClain to be better and the other to push Curry to be better. Resign Branch and add another vet corner who is bigger and stronger than Lito, DVD, Routt, and Chekwa.
Add a young physical DT/NT who can learn from Seymour and develop!
They need to play Houston and Bryant inside more also next year and give Seymour more rest!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
“Or you can fire me after my first year, because I am too intense and I mismanaged the clock sometimes, just like every other coach in the NFL does and start all over on offense with a new system and terminology and have the offense regress with another rookie head coach who will make the same mistakes I did in my first year or overpay for a coach like Fisher who will battle you for control and has a big ego. Your choice.”
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too intense? where, at the nail shop, or the
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
worth re-posting:
can someone explain to Seymour Bush how you CONSERVATIVELY throw for 400+ yards on your final game?
The dude is painfully unintelligent on football matters.
That overtime bomb in KC? Conservative.
Fake FG TD call? Conservative.
Going for the jugular vs Lions? Conservative.
^^^^^^^^
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 am
This blog is full of old stupid trolls or young naive trolls that contradict themselves all the time and are hypocrites.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
might as well flood the place with intelligent commentary:
miami
29-83 before Hue showed up.
16-16 since.
He IS a good coach. Not will be. Is.
And now, he actually (gasp!) gets to bring in his own coaches on defense, and make roster moves this off-season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
If Bill Polian comes in and asks Hue why he should be the head coach of the Raiders?
“Because I turned this offense around and have a franchise QB like Palmer and dynamic offensive talent to work with where we can maintain offensive continuity and score points and if we hire a REAL DC and build a strong top 15 defense, I can take this team to the playoffs and beyond.”
“Or you can fire me after my first year, because I am too intense and I mismanaged the clock sometimes, just like every other coach in the NFL does and start all over on offense with a new system and terminology and have the offense regress with another rookie head coach who will make the same mistakes I did in my first year or overpay for a coach like Fisher who will battle you for control and has a big ego. Your choice.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
worth re-posting:
can someone explain to Seymour Bush how you CONSERVATIVELY throw for 400+ yards on your final game?
The dude is painfully unintelligent on football matters.
That overtime bomb in KC? Conservative.
Fake FG TD call? Conservative.
Going for the jugular vs Lions? Conservative.
^^^^^^^^
This peeps don’t get in here man. They love having different head coaches every year or every other year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 am
thanks dknight
I just cut and paste this:
29-83 before Hue showed up.
16-16 since.
Never gets old.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
Hue is not conservative, thats for sure and I like it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
djohnnyg Says:
January 2nd, 2012 at 11:59 pm
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You don’t think with the proper training, film study, coaching clinics, sonar deep meditation that Chuck can improve? He is after all a bargain basement steal.
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I think the only people that want Chuck B. to stick around are the Raiders opponents.
They love the guy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
http://www.sbnation.com/nfl/2011/12/29/2668443/cam-newton-carolina-panthers-racism-2011?sct=nfl_bf3_a7
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Excellent take Bomani! Shame on you Cam.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
In fact, we stick up for Hue because he HASN’T had a chance to bring in his own guys yet.
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He needs a GM to approve any new people. TJ for Hagan. TJ plays more games while producing the same stats. Basically, we get an old fart for a younger play and pay the old fart more.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
or you can go with:
2008 non-Hue offense: 197 points
2009 Hue offense: 410
I like that one because weirdos will try and argue that Jason Campbell is an all-world QB that deserves the credit, even though he was benched 3 of the first 4 games.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 am
Did Al impart onto Jacksom his last 25 years of GM knowledge or his ‘team of the decades’ GM knowledge.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 am
I’m just tired of stupid freaking people on here makin comparisons between Hue n Jim , switch the freaking D’s n we would have been in playoffs right now n they b sitting at home … N dont give me stupid bullsh1t about how Hue could have done something about our D o Jim made their D good or sumthing
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 am
LB
you’re that hung up about who our #7 receiving target is? weird.
How about Curry for a 7th rounder? Seemed more meaningful.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 am
or you can go with:
2008 non-Hue offense: 197 points
2009 Hue offense: 410
I like that one because weirdos will try and argue that Jason Campbell is an all-world QB that deserves the credit, even though he was benched 3 of the first 4 games.
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Another reason he shouldn’t be allowed to make personnel decisions. Get a GM quick.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
It’s quite obvious.
What do we all want (us actual Raider fans)…hire a proper GM regime with proven success….with or without Hue back we dont necessarily care, we dont hate Hue, but we’re not attached to him when the greater importance is the quality of GM regime.
But then you have guys like Alex and Sullivan who under no circumstance care about the GM regime, all they want is Hue to return and even be the HC/GM lol based on 1 yr experience. These are not actual Raider fans. They don’t want the Raiders to do well, to return to greatness, they just want Hue at all costs to return AND to have more power.
That shows what type of mentality we’re dealing with here. People who place the GM quality of hire #1 with or without Hue….vs…..people just shilling for Hue #1 and to hell with the GM regime.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
Oh, you other comment didn’t make sense. We only lost one starting receiver. DHB is the other one. He only missed half a game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
Daya
I’m just glad he allowed Hue to make moves, otherwise we’d be stuck watching Kyle Boller and Quentin Groves all season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
IMO,Gruden was given two 8and8 years,so Hue needs the same time to make it right.Yesterday,I would have FIRED the friggin team,but comes down to we cant keep firing HCs,lets hope for a GM hire soon and a new DC,now whether Hue has input on the DC,I Dunno,thoughts?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
Keep Chucky Chuck makes good business sense if it keeps the coaching staff under the salary cap. Doesn’t he make like litlle to nothing?
However, Oaktown sold out every home game thanks to HueJax so the ought to be able to afford a legit D cordinator.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:45 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 am
LB
you’re that hung up about who our #7 receiving target is? weird.
How about Curry for a 7th rounder? Seemed more meaningful.
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That’s a good one cause it was low risk. Trading for a QB that has been trending down for the last three year, not so good.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 am
Our D let us down plain n simple … Als hired D Cord let us down that’s all I wanna say
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 am
Throwing out the first Kansas City game we averaged 30 points a game on offense this season.
When a team averages 30 points a game on offense and still doesn’t make the playoffs, there is only one place to point, and that’s the defense.
Period. Every team has problems, EVERY SINGLE ONE. But the number one reason we are not in the post season boils down to the DEFENSE. The fact that some of you can’t see that is sad.
You think Denver doesn’t have problems, in several instances WORSE problems than we do? But they are representing the AFC West. Why?
Because despite all of their flaws and problems, their freakin defense came to play each and every week, and gave the team a CHANCE to win.
Miss me with all the rest of this crap.
We fix our defense we go to the playoffs….that’s step one.
Fix the other problems, i.e. penalties, clock management, Hue being reigned in, and we go to the Superbowl.
Like I said before, it isn’t rocket science!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 am
If we were going to be 8-8, we could’ve traded for Kyle Orton. it would’ve only cost us a 4th or 6th.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 am
I did miss all those pre snap audibles, shifts, movements etc from Palmer in that first game against the Chargers. He was real vocal and seemed to do it every play!. Why didn’t we see more of that or was it a simplified offensive scheme for him to feel more comfortable? Sure the run game helped but he looked great that game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 am
hendu Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 am
IMO,Gruden was given two 8and8 years,so Hue needs the same time to make it right.Yesterday,I would have FIRED the friggin team,but comes down to we cant keep firing HCs,lets hope for a GM hire soon and a new DC,now whether Hue has input on the DC,I Dunno,thoughts?
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Isn’t this Hues 2nd year at 8-8? Wasn’t it rumor last year he was the sparkplug for this team, and Cable was just the lame duck?
But Chucky Chuck is 8-8 in his first year (1st time around dont count) (different HC) so by that standard shouldn’t he get 1 mo year? Honestly, could he get much worse?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 am
LB
Cardinals traded 1st round 16th pick Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder for Kevin Kolb.
Same value, we got the better QB.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 am
LB
Cardinals traded 1st round 16th pick Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder for Kevin Kolb.
Same value, we got the better QB.
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That’s not saying much. Kolb is a scrub even I can see that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Chuck B didn’t have pimphand.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Jets used 5th pick overall on Mark Sanchez.
Tebow was a 1st round pick. Palmer >>> Tebow.
60% of 1st rounders don’t pan out.
of course, if you’d rather do what the Bears did and quit on the season, then you misunderstand that the NFL is just entertainment.
I was entertained this season. Will enjoy watching Palmer QB the next two years as well.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 am
622,cant argue with that,BUT,if we had a friggin DDDDD,we would be 10 and 6,EASY
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 am
Lo-down dirty rotten shame Denver is in the play-offs because of us. We need a d cordinator that can pimp-hand some ass.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
Sloppy Joe
Here are Jeff Fisher’s first 4 seasons:
1-6, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8
Bill Walsh was 2-14.
Jimmy Johnson was 1-15.
People lack patience.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
625.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 am
LB
Cardinals traded 1st round 16th pick Rodgers-Cromartie and a 2nd rounder for Kevin Kolb.
Same value, we got the better QB.
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And it was a big mistake.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 am
Throwing out the first Kansas City game we averaged 30 points a game on offense this season.
When a team averages 30 points a game on offense and still doesn’t make the playoffs, there is only one place to point, and that’s the defense.
Period. Every team has problems, EVERY SINGLE ONE. But the number one reason we are not in the post season boils down to the DEFENSE. The fact that some of you can’t see that is sad.
You think Denver doesn’t have problems, in several instances WORSE problems than we do? But they are representing the AFC West. Why?
Because despite all of their flaws and problems, their freakin defense came to play each and every week, and gave the team a CHANCE to win.
Miss me with all the rest of this crap.
We fix our defense we go to the playoffs….that’s step one.
Fix the other problems, i.e. penalties, clock management, Hue being reigned in, and we go to the Superbowl.
Like I said before, it isn’t rocket science!
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You need to check your math. 359/15 = 23.9 22.4 full season. How many did we average under CP?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 am
GG
I hope we get the best GM available.
When we do, he’ll thank Hue for turning this franchise around.
What’s so strange about that? What are you even debating?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 am
This team easily shoulda been 13-3
Buff
Mia
SD
Denver
Roit
Pancake easy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
Sloppy Joe
Here are Jeff Fisher’s first 4 seasons:
1-6, 7-9, 8-8, 8-8
Bill Walsh was 2-14.
Jimmy Johnson was 1-15.
People lack patience.
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Jeff Fischer? No fcking way. Keep Hue, just get a d cordinator with a nutsack.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 am
hendu Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 am
622,cant argue with that,BUT,if we had a friggin DDDDD,we would be 10 and 6,EASY
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After the second game, we already knew they were suspect.Bills
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 am
Alex-
I don’t agree with you on much. But I agree with a lot of what you’ve been saying the past two days.
It’s logical and it makes sense.
We’re all upset and disappointed, but you can’t keep hiring and firing a new head coach every single season and expect to succeed.
Hue needs to be reigned in and limited in his power, but not fired.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 am
Jets used 5th pick overall on Mark Sanchez.
Tebow was a 1st round pick. Palmer >>> Tebow.
60% of 1st rounders don’t pan out.
of course, if you’d rather do what the Bears did and quit on the season, then you misunderstand that the NFL is just entertainment.
I was entertained this season. Will enjoy watching Palmer QB the next two years as well.
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What number QB were the Texans on? 4th or 5th
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Debo
you entertained by Kyle Boller?
I was entertained by Palmer vs Chargers (twice), Vikings, Bears, Lions, and Chiefs. I enjoyed not taking the Bears quit route.
Going forward, I’d gladly trade a mid-1st rounder and 2nd rounder for the best QB play since Gannon.
You wouldn’t?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
624,Joe,get youre point,BUT,Hue was OC last year,not HC.Just sayin,one more year,w/GM and new DC,roll the dice
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
Lol, GM will not thank Hue for throwing away two 1st rounders* on a 8-8 record we could’ve got in Orton for a 5th, or Trent Edwards for nothing.
No GM would have made that trade.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
If our d was even average we would have have clinched playoffs 4 weeks ago
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
LB, Texans don’t have 29th-ranked D now, do they?
And they didn’t lose Arian Foster for the year, did they
You want Boller, knock yourself out.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
GG, when did Hue “demand” power in a presser? Do you mean demand as in ask? As in he was pleading for more power in a presser? When? When tf? Give me his quite. I’ll bet you anything it’s so vague he could have been saying he likes Lindsay Lohans tits.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
I think all Raider fans should love Hue for his awesome character, and his creativeness on offense. Imagine what he can do next year with McFadden, and Palmer on field at the same time? Jackson wanted to throw deep when Campbell was QB, but Campbell was physically incapable and would either throw out of bound or INT every time. Jackson’s failures early on this season had to do with him longing for a passing game despite Campbell’s limitations. He could see our weapons, but not did not realize we could only win if DMAC got enough carries. When DMAC got hurt, we HAD to trade for Palmer or just give up on the season. That move was awesome. Going into next season, if D. Moore, Ford, DHB, DMAC, Reece, and Boss stay healthy and get comfortable with Palmer, the sky is the limit. Imagine the threat of a deep pass to either side, coupled with the threat of a pass underneath to DMAC or Reece with room to run? Jackson can do great things with those weapons. Our D can only get better with a new coordinator and a few key additions/subtractions (although if Branch leaves then we could actualy get worse!). The penalties will always be a problem because of the bias of the refs. But Jackson could limit the bonehead, legit ones by coming up with a steadfast, bold punishment system. Some people think a Raiders coach has to decide whether to call out the refs or pin all the blame on his players. I think the players will respect Hue more if he does both, depending on the situation. No need to have a mindless policy. Use your head, watch the tape and come up with a decision: Back your player because the refs screwed him over, or call him out and punish him because he truly acted like a moron.
We can win next year with Jackson if we limit him only to what he does best, and if he reflects on his failures this season and makes some bold changes to his leadership approach. Jackson should hang out with Palmer all offseason and Jackson should do with him what he did with DMAC last season: Talk to him and let adjust the team to him. That was when he was acting like a true player’s coach, not when he took everthing “on him” untill the season was over and then put everything “on them”.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 am
Palmer will be back season and smoke ass. D-Mo will play at the next level and D-Mac will have defenders sucking wind. A legit D cordinator and we are Super Bowl bound.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 am
GG doesn’t even know what we gave up for Palmer. Sad.
As if making the AFC CHampionship next year would be a bad thing.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 am
Alex7, you must be a season ticket holder. You make it sounds as if it’s going to a movies or a play. I was entertained, how lovely?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 am
Goodnight ladies? and gentleman. Despite with who agrees with what is said, you all have some great points and I always like learning a thing or two on here. Thanks
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 am
You need to check your math. 359/15 = 23.9 22.4 full season. How many did we average under CP?
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You’re right. I miscalculated.
It was more like 24 points a game without the KC game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 am
Stuart,
intelligent fans do appreciate Hue. We appreciate being relevant, fun to watch, beating the Jets, beating the Texans, knocking the Chiefs out of the playoffs, playing meaningful games in week 17.
We enjoy being entertained and relevant again.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 am
GG, thanks for telling us what all Raider fans want, btw. I’m sure you’ve gotten signatures from every single Raider fan on the planet declaring you as their spokesperson.
Did you see Jerry’s article yesterday, GG? Nearly every comment wanted Hue to stay and wanted Bresh out. These are facebook comments, all real names, real faces. Then you have this anonymous rat’s nest here where people are calling for Hue’s head. You tell me.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 am
hendu Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 am
624,Joe,get youre point,BUT,Hue was OC last year,not HC.Just sayin,one more year,w/GM and new DC,roll the dice
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gotcha.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 am
I mentioned Kyle Orton not Boller. They maintained their D ranking after losing their best player though.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 am
602 great fahqin post there brother. Convo would go something like that.
2am here in texas. Nite all.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 am
LB
the NFL is entertainment.
Nothing more. It’s guys in weird pants throwing a funny-shaped ball on a playground.
Honestly. That’s as deep as it gets.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 am
Miami, good night! thanks for the chat.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 am
Has the D staff been let go yet? Why the suspense, just do it already.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 am
southtexasraider is right. 602 worth re-posting.
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 am
If Bill Polian comes in and asks Hue why he should be the head coach of the Raiders?
“Because I turned this offense around and have a franchise QB like Palmer and dynamic offensive talent to work with where we can maintain offensive continuity and score points and if we hire a REAL DC and build a strong top 15 defense, I can take this team to the playoffs and beyond.”
“Or you can fire me after my first year, because I am too intense and I mismanaged the clock sometimes, just like every other coach in the NFL does and start all over on offense with a new system and terminology and have the offense regress with another rookie head coach who will make the same mistakes I did in my first year or overpay for a coach like Fisher who will battle you for control and has a big ego. Your choice.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 am
8 sellouts….first year since returning to Oakland that we’ve done that. Intelligent fans appreciate that. So do Mark and Carol, I’m sure.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Well here’s one for you to ponder:
Over 16 games considering all the turmoil and injuries to the Raiders starting QB, RB, and WR’s:
Oakland averaged 22.4 points a game, including the 28-0 blowout against Kansas City.
Denver averaged 19.31 points a game.
And guess which one of us is representing the AFC west in the playoffs?
The one with an NFL caliber defense.
Once again, it’s not rocket science.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 am
No doubt is is entertainment. I just give them more credit cause it can be life change at any moment.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 am
sloppy joe,
as Hue stated in the press conference, he hasn’t met with Mark yet. You know Mark doesn’t like firing people, so I’m sure he’s not in a hurry to get Chuck out of here.
But Hue knows who he wants as DC, and those guys also know. Will likely be another day or two before Chuck’s let go.
Raiders also care about image, and want to appear they are all working together, so won’t allow a first-minute firing right away when Hue just ripped the D.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 am
8 sellouts = some serious prime time teleshizzle next year. Mark and Carol appreciate that, I’m sure. Business owners tend to like management that turns in profits. That’s one reason not to shake things up.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 am
true LB,
but when looking at the Palmer trade, I’m happy we didn’t go the Bears, Colts, or Chiefs Tyler Palko route and throw a season away.
That’s a rip-off to fans when it’s an entertainment business.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 am
Well here’s one for you to ponder:
Over 16 games considering all the turmoil and injuries to the Raiders starting QB, RB, and WR’s:
Oakland averaged 22.4 points a game, including the 28-0 blowout against Kansas City.
Denver averaged 19.31 points a game.
And guess which one of us is representing the AFC west in the playoffs?
The one with an NFL caliber defense.
Once again, it’s not rocket science.
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Do you know that the Raiders and GB defense are rated about the same? Obviously, our O isn’t anywhere near GBs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 am
I could be going out on a limb…but I have a hunch we get one of the ESPN MNF openers next year, and week 2 NBC. First two games prime time. Bet you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 am
honestly, what are the odds the Raiders would get a player in the mid-1st round who helps them the next 3 years more than Palmer will?
10%?
I think McFadden is the only 1st rounder the last 10 years that’s more valuable than Palmer.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 am
640.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 am
Debo
you entertained by Kyle Boller?
I was entertained by Palmer vs Chargers (twice), Vikings, Bears, Lions, and Chiefs. I enjoyed not taking the Bears quit route.
Going forward, I’d gladly trade a mid-1st rounder and 2nd rounder for the best QB play since Gannon.
You wouldn’t?
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Two things:
Not entertained by Boller. But we also looked at Vince Young. No one knows what the compensation would have been, but a 2nd-rounder probably gets it done. I’m convinced he could have gotten us to 8-8 at the very least. He either kicks ass and is retained or he leaves as a FA and JC steps back in. Just don’t get why it had to be Palmer. He showed us what he is in 2010.
Palmer has played exactly like he did in 2010. Great if he’s on your fantasy some weeks, but you won’t win too many games. Bad, bad interceptions cost us against Denver and Miami. He threw for 400 yards and we scored 26 points on Sunday. But he needed to throw for 500 and score 39. The guy answered too many TDs by SD with FGs and his bone-headed clock management cost us three points at the half. Don’t quite know what you mean by “best QB play since Gannon”. You’re talking about your fantasy team, right?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 am
LB
defense is about points given up, not yards.
Raiders 30th in points, Packers 19th.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 am
honestly, what are the odds the Raiders would get a player in the mid-1st round who helps them the next 3 years more than Palmer will?
10%?
I think McFadden is the only 1st rounder the last 10 years that’s more valuable than Palmer.
If they get the guy from GB a lot higher than usual. Most of their team is home grown. Depends on the GM, me thinks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 am
Debo
why ignore Palmer’s 2009? 10-6 record, good all-around #s
Why 2010, which looks like a huge outlier compared to his career? 2010 was the TO, Ocho disaster, and no running game.
I loved what he showed this year coming basically off the street with no pre-season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 am
everyone kept saying “Give JC a 2nd year in same system.”
Why not even a full 1st year for Palmer?
Only one of those two had made the playoffs and pro-bowl.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 am
LB
defense is about points given up, not yards.
Raiders 30th in points, Packers 19th.
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I got mixed up. I meant passer rating which doesn’t mean much in this context.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 am
Do you know that the Raiders and GB defense are rated about the same? Obviously, our O isn’t anywhere near GBs.
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LB you must be on drugs if you are insinuating that our defense is close to being on par with Green Bay’s.
Just looking at their secondary performance compared to ours should tell you all you need to know.
Our defense is 30th out of 32 teams. That’s why we are sitting at home until next summer.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 am
The San Diego Union-Tribune agrees with CBS Sports’ Monday report that Chargers owner Dean Spanos is now “leaning toward” retaining Norv Turner as head coach and A.J. Smith as general manager.
“On three different occasions” during Sunday’s Week 17 win over the Raiders, Spanos reportedly “initiated conversations” with Smith on the sideline. The Union-Trib reports that Smith “was the frontrunner” for the Rams’ GM job had he been fired by Spanos, and “it is all but certain” that Jeff Fisher will be St. Louis’ next head coach. Smith just won’t be following him now, and Turner is apparently safe for the time being.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 am
673.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 am
Debo
why ignore Palmer’s 2009? 10-6 record, good all-around #s
Why 2010, which looks like a huge outlier compared to his career? 2010 was the TO, Ocho disaster, and no running game.
I loved what he showed this year coming basically off the street with no pre-season.
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What we payed for Palmer has inflated your view of him. In 2010, he was a game manager that rode the back of Cedric Benson. Things got ugly in 2010 when they tried to make it about Palmer. For what we payed, we needed to get the Palmer of five or six years ago. If we had gotten the current version for a 2nd, I wouldn’t be having this discussion with you. It especially hurts in 2012 since we basically have no draft.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Look:
Palmer came in off the couch and was forced to start an NFL game after an 11 month layoff.
1)Give Palmer a full off season and training camp, to study the entire playbook and develop real chemistry with the offense.
2)Give Palmer a completely healthy offense, mind you he NEVER had the luxury of playing with Mcfadden even ONCE!
Then evaluate his performance. Some of you guys are ridiculous.
Can Palmer improve? Yes. Does he need to protect the ball better? Yes.
But considering what he had to work with,and what he was consistently asked to do, Palmer did ok.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 am
Give Palmer a veteran head Coach and a team that doesn’t have 10 false starts a game and maybe he can be better than a DISGUSTING TURNOVER MACHINE.
Just Hire a GM Baby.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 am
Do you know that the Raiders and GB defense are rated about the same? Obviously, our O isn’t anywhere near GBs.
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LB you must be on drugs if you are insinuating that our defense is close to being on par with Green Bay’s.
Just looking at their secondary performance compared to ours should tell you all you need to know.
Our defense is 30th out of 32 teams. That’s why we are sitting at home until next summer.
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I said that I got mixed up. Our defensive passer rating is about the same.
Scoring wise, there is about a 5 pt difference/game on D. Overall, the biggest difference is in scoring where they average 35 to our 22.4(12.6 diff).
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 am
679.ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 am
Look:
Palmer came in off the couch and was forced to start an NFL game after an 11 month layoff.
1)Give Palmer a full off season and training camp, to study the entire playbook and develop real chemistry with the offense.
2)Give Palmer a completely healthy offense, mind you he NEVER had the luxury of playing with Mcfadden even ONCE!
Then evaluate his performance. Some of you guys are ridiculous.
Can Palmer improve? Yes. Does he need to protect the ball better? Yes.
But considering what he had to work with,and what he was consistently asked to do, Palmer did ok.
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I halfway agree with #2. I’d like to see him play with McFadden. But screw the “offseason, training camp” theory. Most any player in the league will tell you the offseason and training camp is a joke. The guy is a 9-year vet. There’s no excuse for the mistakes he was making in weeks 14,15 and 16. That’s poor play no matter how you slice it. Again, he showed us what kind of player he is in 2010. The fact that the Bengals won 5 more games in 2011 and made the playoffs with a rookie QB and without Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall tells me that Carson was the problem. A million offseasons won’t change that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
RaiderDebo Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 am
I halfway agree with #2. I’d like to see him play with McFadden. But screw the “offseason, training camp” theory. Most any player in the league will tell you the offseason and training camp is a joke. The guy is a 9-year vet. There’s no excuse for the mistakes he was making in weeks 14,15 and 16. That’s poor play no matter how you slice it. Again, he showed us what kind of player he is in 2010. The fact that the Bengals won 5 more games in 2011 and made the playoffs with a rookie QB and without Jonathan Joseph and Leon Hall tells me that Carson was the problem. A million offseasons won’t change that.
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I agree. He looks about the same. He left Cincy cause he wasn’t getting it done and wanted to blame it on the players he was surrounded with but Dalton made it with basically the same guys plus a new first round WR. Two rookies gettin’ it done!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 am
lol Debo. You lost me at the off-season/training camp a joke.
To a QB learning new terminology, playbook, blocking schemes, getting in rhythm with new WRs, getting his body prepared after not playing for a year.
Not important, huh?
Are you serious?? That’s an awful, awful post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 am
I agree. He looks about the same. He left Cincy cause he wasn’t getting it done and wanted to blame it on the players he was surrounded with but Dalton made it with basically the same guys plus a new first round WR. Two rookies gettin’ it done!
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Very true. In some ways, I understand why Hue made the trade. But it has never sat well with me. To justify this trade, he had to be a lights-out player that could get us to the playoffs. That didn’t happen and now the JC vs Palmer debate can finally begin. Right now, CP is getting his assed kicked.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 am
Bad Trade.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
I agree. He looks about the same. He left Cincy cause he wasn’t getting it done and wanted to blame it on the players he was surrounded with but Dalton made it with basically the same guys plus a new first round WR. Two rookies gettin’ it done!
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Ok so you want me to tell you the difference between the Bengals and the Raiders?
Cincy’s defense is ranked number 9.
Oakland’s defense is rated 29th.
And Cincy only ended the season one game better than we did.
Next argument! Cause this one is ridiculous.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 am
Debo,
which of these QBs do you think is available for a mid-1st and a future mid-2nd?
Rivers, Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Ben, Schaub, Vick, Matt Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Brady, Cam.
Why should our mid 1st and mid 2nd have fetched us a top QB?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 am
armchair,
the Bengals let go of Jonathan Joseph, their best corner. THAT’S why they made the playoffs.
lol, some stupid arguments huh.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 am
I agree. He looks about the same. He left Cincy cause he wasn’t getting it done and wanted to blame it on the players he was surrounded with but Dalton made it with basically the same guys plus a new first round WR. Two rookies gettin’ it done!
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Ok so you want me to tell you the difference between the Bengals and the Raiders?
Cincy’s defense is ranked number 9.
Oakland’s defense is rated 29th.
And Cincy only ended the season one game better than we did.
Next argument! Cause this one is ridiculous.
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Hue said that Palmer was enough to get us there. The D was never ranked that high this year. Therefore he was wrong.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 am
684.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 am
lol Debo. You lost me at the off-season/training camp a joke.
To a QB learning new terminology, playbook, blocking schemes, getting in rhythm with new WRs, getting his body prepared after not playing for a year.
Not important, huh?
Are you serious?? That’s an awful, awful post.
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Really? Tell that to Brett Favre. He came in off the street and had arguably his best season in Minny. Came within one stupid decision of leading them to the SB. Had he ever even met Shiancoe, Harvin or Sidney Rice? Palmer gets a pass for the 1st couple of games, but that’s it. Nine-year vet. The offseason/training camp excuse is a cop out.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 am
What did he call it the greatest trade made in the history of the NFL or something like that?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 am
LB you were grasping for straws and coming up short.
Hue said that Palmer gave us “The best chance to win now.”
That’s what he said in the beginning and maintained throughout the entire season. And he was correct. When our only other option was Kyle Boller and Terrell Pryor, Hue was exactly right.
Carson Palmer gave us the best CHANCE to win.
Our defense made sure that CHANCE faded into oblivion.
I don’t know how you guys can’t understand that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 am
Orton beat GB throwing to 10 new receivers and completed 70% of his passes not knowing the terminology, playbook, blocking schemes, etc. Palmer must be slow or they didn’t spend enough time on it. Gannon made mention of him not getting enough time with Hue, whose fault is that?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 am
Teams recently gave up more than we did to get:
Tebow, Sanchez, and Kolb.
Even Cassel cost a very high 2nd rounder.
Debo, I think your cost-analysis is off.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 am
The Carson Palmer trade alone should get HUEY FIRED.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 am
You attempted to compare Cincy to the Raiders.
I pointed out to you that they only finished ONE game better than us even though they had a top 10 defense.
So if Dalton is so much better than Palmer why were they struggling to get into the playoffs just like we were?
They finished ONE game better than us, because they have a top 10 ranked DEFENSE, and ours is worse than Pop Warner.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 am
Debo,
I sincerely apologize that Palmer isn’t a Hall of Famer like Brett Favre.
Because of that, the guy could use a pre-season to improve a bit, despite playing the best QB here since Gannon.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 am
688.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:43 am
Debo,
which of these QBs do you think is available for a mid-1st and a future mid-2nd?
Rivers, Eli, Rodgers, Brees, Stafford, Ben, Schaub, Vick, Matt Ryan, Romo, Cutler, Brady, Cam.
Why should our mid 1st and mid 2nd have fetched us a top QB?
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Shaub and Romo should be. But I look at it this way. We only had to give up a 4th for JC and to date, Palmer can’t even hold his jock. Pretty much a bad trade any way you look at it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 am
Actually, I was about right.
Palmer was introduced to the media Tuesday as a Raider. Coach Hue Jackson called the deal “the greatest trade in football.”
Palmer wasn’t the only option, its the option that he went for. That’s completely different.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 am
LB
I’m also sorry that you missed Palmer shredding the Chargers on Sunday night, the Vikings the next week, and the Bears after that, and the Chargers a second time.
It was beautiful. 300+ yards, long bombs, TDs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 am
695.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 am
Teams recently gave up more than we did to get:
Tebow, Sanchez, and Kolb.
Even Cassel cost a very high 2nd rounder.
Debo, I think your cost-analysis is off.
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Funny, except for Kolb, Palmer has pretty much been outplayed by them all.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:57 am
but feel free to bring up Orton throwing for zero TDs vs the Packers, and getting beat by Palmer with the Chiefs’ playoffs on the line.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:57 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 am
LB
I’m also sorry that you missed Palmer shredding the Chargers on Sunday night, the Vikings the next week, and the Bears after that, and the Chargers a second time.
It was beautiful. 300+ yards, long bombs, TDs.
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haha, 4-5 is the grand result of the fantasy football QB.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 am
Debo,
I sincerely apologize that Palmer isn’t a Hall of Famer like Brett Favre.
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Wow, had to be tough for you to admit that. It’s a step.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Debo
you really would rank Tebow and Sanchez ahead of Palmer, given the circumstances, and Palmer’s 6 outstanding games?
maybe your handle suits you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Palmer threw a strike to Boss resulting in a TD. Cut the score to a 5 point deficit.
Next play we come half an inch from getting a safety. Any other team makes sure Goodman stays in the endzone, but not ours!
We then proceed to let SD march 99 and a HALF yards.
And you clowns are on here talking about Carson Palmer!
Two more stops on defense and two more freakin FIELD GOALS would have won the game!
Freakin morons.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
My point is those are just excuses. Professionals get it done with the hand they are dealt.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:00 am
I think these are the morons that rip QBs like Dan Marino and Boomer Esiason for not winning the Super Bowl, while praising Trent Dilfer.
Because obviously the QB plays defense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 am
Scottie is a moron.
There is NO ONE who knows anything about the NFL who thinks that was a good trade for the Raiders.
Great trade for the Bengals.
Horrible trade for the Raiders.
Huey panicked. Just like he did every Sunday.
Just Hire a GM Baby.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Palmer threw a strike to Boss resulting in a TD. Cut the score to a 5 point deficit.
Next play we come half an inch from getting a safety. Any other team makes sure Goodman stays in the endzone, but not ours!
We then proceed to let SD march 99 and a HALF yards.
And you clowns are on here talking about Carson Palmer!
Two more stops on defense and two more freakin FIELD GOALS would have won the game!
Freakin morons.
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We’ll at least I know how to divide correctly. lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 am
yeah LB
a professional QB would have intercepted those Calvin Johnson passes.
Maybe sacked Rivers once in a while too.
Definitely would have handled the Tebow option better.
That’s what professional QBs do.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:04 am
706.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 am
Debo
you really would rank Tebow and Sanchez ahead of Palmer, given the circumstances, and Palmer’s 6 outstanding games?
maybe your handle suits you.
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Not interested in rankings. That’s completely subjective. But Tebow made more plays than Palmer heads up and won the game. That win put them in the playoffs and left us home. And Sanchez has won four playoff games in three years. Guess how many Palmer has won in nine?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 am
here’s why Raider fans get ridiculed:
Yards and TDs from a QB? Bad.
Wins from QB play like Tebow’s? Good.
Great QB play + terrible D? Blame the QB.
Terrible QB play + better D (Denver)? Reward the QB.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 am
Speak for yourself Scottie.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 am
This is classic comedy!!
Tebow completes one pass out of 20 late in the 4th to set up a FG in a 6-3 game.
Palmer throws for 412 yards, 2 TDs, but his D gives up 36.
Guy 1 outplayed Guy 2, naturally.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 am
709.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:00 am
I think these are the morons that rip QBs like Dan Marino and Boomer Esiason for not winning the Super Bowl, while praising Trent Dilfer.
Because obviously the QB plays defense.
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I’d get your argument if we were talking about these guys. But we’re talking about Carson Palmer! He doesn’t deserve to be mentioned in the same breath as those guys. Just who do you think Carson Palmer is anyway?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 am
Those were your excuses, not mine. Professionals don’t complain about dropped passes when they overthrown receivers either. No one made him throw the INTs or didn’t allow him to run instead of getting sacked ~15 times. They do what is necessary to win. I bet you didn’t see the fear in his eyes either. Looking like a deer in headlights out there. He probably had to change his Depends at halftime a couple of games.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:12 am
quick IQ analysis.
Give Tim Tebow the Raiders Defense, and his record is…?
1-10?
0-1?
2-9?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:13 am
716.alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 am
This is classic comedy!!
Tebow completes one pass out of 20 late in the 4th to set up a FG in a 6-3 game.
Palmer throws for 412 yards, 2 TDs, but his D gives up 36.
Guy 1 outplayed Guy 2, naturally.
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Umm… which game are you talking about? I remember Tebow completing more than one pass against us. He also ran for some good yardage and didn’t turn the ball over like your hero did. Is it starting to come back to you?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:14 am
The bottom line is W-Ls. I could care less how they do it or what needs to be done to get us there. Just win!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:14 am
LB knows nothing about NFL football.
He was probably Bresnahan’s Pop Warner coach.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:14 am
LB
So again, Dan Marino didn’t do “what’s necessary” to win, mainly have a legit RB and D his entire career, right?
REMEMBER KIDS, WINNING IS NOT A TEAM ACT.
It falls only on the QB.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:15 am
Brilliant post by Young American
more analysis and less stupid name calling, PLEASE
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Quick, how many games has CP been in where the O score more than 30pts?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 am
LB
you’d take Tim Tebow over Eli Manning and Cam Newton.
Better record.
Goodness.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:19 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:14 am
LB
So again, Dan Marino didn’t do “what’s necessary” to win, mainly have a legit RB and D his entire career, right?
REMEMBER KIDS, WINNING IS NOT A TEAM ACT.
It falls only on the QB.
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Ok, I get it. For CP to win, the D has to be ranked in the top 5, right?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Quick, how many games has CP been in where the O score more than 30pts?
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Quick. How many games did Palmer play in where he had Mcfadden, Ford and Moore all active in the game at the same time?
I’ll wait…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 am
I’m not beholden to 4-3 or 3-4. The teams who play the best defense switch between both looks so often it barely matters. The most important part is finding the right coach for the job.
3-4 defensive coordinator candidates:
Dennis Thurman
Winston Moss
Kevin Greene
Mike Nolan
Dean Pees
4-3 defensive coordinator candidates:
Steve Spagnuolo
Jack Del Rio
Dean Pees
I like Dean Pees because he’s had experience running both systems effectively.
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Well said. More posts like this, please This is how posters should come on to a blog…. much appreciation.
I’d like to add that you must be careful with names like Del Rio , because he has thrown assistants under the bus as a head coach, and this is a very low confidence, reactionary environment. A lot of these guys aren’t accustomed to being in winning situations, so its critical to build confidence…coordinators have to be teachers and motivate as a team builds character through successful applications of defensive changes throughout a season.
a lot of times, its how they adjust and its effect on theyre psyche – this is a trying situation, and you got the feeling on the sideline that Jackson either didnt know how to reach these guys or if they tuned him out in crunch time.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 am
It depends for how long? I’d take Eli, Cam, Tebow then Palmer.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 am
but LB
you just said it’s ALL ABOUT wins and losses.
Now you’re back-tracking.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
LB here’s two questions for you…
1)Who was MORE responsible for the loss at Buffalo? The Defense or the QB play?
2)Who was more responsible for the loss against Detroit? The Defense or the QB play?
I’ll wait…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
Palmer throws for 412 yards, 2 TDs
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This sounds great, but who cares? Sunday’s game was a shootout game like us against the Bills earlier this season and Sunday’s Detroit/GB game. Last team with the ball wins. JC and Stafford didn’t bother complaining about the D or lack therof. They were too busy matching TDs with TDs of their own. No shame in losing that way. That didn’t happen with Palmer. Too many stat geeks on this board really believe he did enough to win on Sunday.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 am
It depends for how long? I’d take Eli, Cam, Tebow then Palmer.
Eli – a gamer who keeps going no matter how many picks
Cam – unknown if he is a crunch time QB, but makes plays due to athleticism
Tebow – WACK
Palmer – has been to playoffs and if he had a defense worth a damn , he’d have a ring already.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Quick, how many games has CP been in where the O score more than 30pts?
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Quick. How many games did Palmer play in where he had Mcfadden, Ford and Moore all active in the game at the same time?
I’ll wait…
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Coach Hue Jackson called the deal “the greatest trade in football.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:25 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Quick, how many games has CP been in where the O score more than 30pts?
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Quick. How many games did Palmer play in where he had Mcfadden, Ford and Moore all active in the game at the same time?
I’ll wait…
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Coach Hue Jackson called the deal “the greatest trade in football.”
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4-12 record if Boller started
5-11 record if Orton started
and so on , and so forth
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 am
LB
1)Who was MORE responsible for the loss at Buffalo? The Defense or the QB play?
2)Who was more responsible for the loss against Detroit? The Defense or the QB play?
I’ll wait…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 am
It depends for how long? I’d take Eli, Cam, Tebow then Palmer.
Eli – a gamer who keeps going no matter how many picks
Cam – unknown if he is a crunch time QB, but makes plays due to athleticism
Tebow – WACK
Palmer – has been to playoffs and if he had a defense worth a damn , he’d have a ring already.
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1. SB winner
2. Lots of upside and winner
3. Marginal upside and winner
4. Trending downward for three years now. Could possible get it back but could run out of time plus makes a lot a bad decisions.
That’s my take.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:27 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:25 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:17 am
Quick, how many games has CP been in where the O score more than 30pts?
_______________________________________________________
Quick. How many games did Palmer play in where he had Mcfadden, Ford and Moore all active in the game at the same time?
I’ll wait…
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Coach Hue Jackson called the deal “the greatest trade in football.”
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4-12 record if Boller started
5-11 record if Orton started
and so on , and so forth
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Speculation.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 am
LB still hasn’t answered post 737.
It exposes his argument as egg shell weak.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:30 am
738.LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 am
It depends for how long? I’d take Eli, Cam, Tebow then Palmer.
Eli – a gamer who keeps going no matter how many picks
Cam – unknown if he is a crunch time QB, but makes plays due to athleticism
Tebow – WACK
Palmer – has been to playoffs and if he had a defense worth a damn , he’d have a ring already.
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1. SB winner
2. Lots of upside and winner
3. Marginal upside and winner
4. Trending downward for three years now. Could possible get it back but could run out of time plus makes a lot a bad decisions.
That’s my take.
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1. SB winner that is damn good.
2. Lots of upside and a winner.
3. Peyton Hillis at QB.
4. Same as above except I don’t think he can get it back.
That’s my take.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 am
Defense does their job against Buffalo and Detroit, we are 10-6 and walking into the playoffs as the division winner.
Simple and plain. And you guys are btching about Palmer.
Ridiculous.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:32 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 am
LB
1)Who was MORE responsible for the loss at Buffalo? The Defense or the QB play? The CB who dropped the INT.
2)Who was more responsible for the loss against Detroit? The Defense or the QB play? Offense 3 pts scored by the O in the second half. Should’ve scored more points.
I’ll wait…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:32 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 am
Defense does their job against Buffalo and Detroit, we are 10-6 and walking into the playoffs as the division winner.
Simple and plain. And you guys are btching about Palmer.
Ridiculous.
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Thank you. Somebody gets it!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 am
Cam, 6-10 = winner.
Palmer, 4-5, playoff history = loser.
got it.
Because college wins I guess matter. Leinart >>>> Rodgers
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 am
is there a forward-thinking Raiders blog? You know, where outstanding performances are appreciated, moving the team up and down the field is a good thing, wins are a team stat, turning a franchise around doesn’t get you fired by the fans…
you know, crazy ideas like those?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 am
Palmer is 0-2 in playoffs, How much credit do you get for losing? Hell, scrubby Sanchez has more Ws.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:38 am
Alex7, If you were going to start a franchise, you’d pick Palmer first?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:38 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 am
Palmer is 0-2 in playoffs, How much credit do you get for losing? Hell, scrubby Sanchez has more Ws.
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and Campbell was 0-0 in the playoffs
Gradkowski was 0-0 in the playoffs
and Russell was 0-0 in the playoffs
Cam Newton is 0-0 in the playoffs
Tebow is 0-0 in the playoffs
Palmer has been in the playoffs , its not his fault if the Bengals defense is garbage
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 am
and there’s example #93.
It was Palmer’s fault his knee exploded vs the Steelers, and Sanchez had an all-world defense.
It’s all on the QB.
LB, your logic has you taking Tebow over Cam. Just stop.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 am
LB is an idiot. Sorry, it’s true.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 am
Cam, 6-10 = winner.
That’s more than Palmer had last year. It’s his first year. If things are equal, you go with the younger player, at least , I would.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 am
The CB dropping the interception against Buffalo is the DEFENSE simpleton.
So with that one win alone, we win the division and end up with the same record as the Bengals.
Thanks for proving my point.
Freakin morons.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 am
Speculation.
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Reality. Thats why they made the deal – and Palmer is who we riding with
end of story
unless you want to switch teams…..
what is this cry over spilt milk theater… i mean we acknowledge its a risky move, but its done.
unless were trading up to get Brandon Weeden or Landry Jones
Palmer is the horse we ridin….
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 am
LB
I analyze QB play on, you know, statistics? What they actually do?
Not wins and losses, which is a team stat.
That’s all we’re trying to say.
Palmer good. Raider defense bad.
INT’s will go down with full pre-season. 300-yard games with multiple TDs will not go away.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 am
LB Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 am
Cam, 6-10 = winner.
That’s more than Palmer had last year. It’s his first year. If things are equal, you go with the younger player, at least , I would.
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OK, lets go in Doc brown’s delorean and go back into time lose 12 games and draft Newton
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 am
LB is an idiot. Sorry, it’s true.
Why you gotta to resort to name calling? It shows a lack of intelligence. We don’t agree so I must not know anything. Stop with your propaganda.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 am
Some of these guys would SERIOUSLY
prefer what the Bears, Colts, and Chiefs did with their QB situation (flush the season away) instead of taking a chance with a guy that lit up the Chargers twice, Vikings, Bears, and beat the Chiefs with little practice.
So bizarre. This is entertainment. Try to win.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:48 am
What was plan B?
Boller? And hope JC signs with us again long-term so he can keep throwing deep passes out of bounds and checking down on 3rd and 12?
Or was it watching Terrel Pryor put on an awful Tarvaris Jackson impersonation for all of 2012?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 am
Lb, my apologies for using the word idiot.
How about Clueless? Is that better?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:52 am
ouch. lol, good night all. Thanks for the mental gymnastics. Always fun.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 am
LB
I analyze QB play on, you know, statistics? What they actually do?
Not wins and losses, which is a team stat.
That’s all we’re trying to say.
Palmer good. Raider defense bad.
INT’s will go down with full pre-season. 300-yard games with multiple TDs will not go away.
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I never said that the Raider D wasn’t bad. in fact, i said it was bad awhile ago when we were discussing if Palmer was enough to get us over the hump or not. i said that we knew it was bad after the second week. He’s thrown many multiple TD and 300 yard games. His teams have had two good years and his overall record is below 500. You’re expecting thing to be different, I can’t say that it isn’t possible but why would it be? I believe him to be a bad decision maker, I just don’t see why that would change in his 9 year. I could though, we can only hope that he plays like 5 years ago.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:54 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 am
Lb, my apologies for using the word idiot.
How about Clueless? Is that better?
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Your too funny, you should go on tour. Why waste time on a blog when you have all of this talent?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 am
One stop against Buffalo, Detroit or San Diego, and we waltz into the playoffs.
That’s all I asked for. One stop. Instead we got to witness a 99 and a HALF yard drive to end our season.
I’m done arguing with illogical people.
Get a real defensive coordinators with Boar Hunters on defense and we become a perennial post season team.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:48 am
What was plan B?
Boller? And hope JC signs with us again long-term so he can keep throwing deep passes out of bounds and checking down on 3rd and 12?
Or was it watching Terrel Pryor put on an awful Tarvaris Jackson impersonation for all of 2012?
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See ya, I already answered that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 am
63% completions.
163 Tds
116 INTs
is there a chance you’re having small-sample-size bias when you call that collection bad decision-making?
Do we agree Palmer had no running game the last 6 weeks, and having to throw it almost every down is going to elevate your INTs and mistakes?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 am
Peace out!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:01 am
come on LB
you think the Broncos were going to trade us Kyle Orton in week 6 after we lose our QB with 2 days before the trade deadline?
Tebow had just looked TERRIBLE week 6.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 am
night all.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 am
A
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 am
63% completions.
163 Tds
116 INTs
is there a chance you’re having small-sample-size bias when you call that collection bad decision-making?
Do we agree Palmer had no running game the last 6 weeks, and having to throw it almost every down is going to elevate your INTs and mistakes?
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I’ve reviewed his stats. He throws a lot of 300 yard games, INTs and TDs. Based upon your logic, he must have had bad Ds ever year cause he has a losing record. The thing is, he’s had good rushing team before and not won. Cendric B may not be a home run hitter but he has been a serviceable RB for years now.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:03 am
alex7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:01 am
come on LB
you think the Broncos were going to trade us Kyle Orton in week 6 after we lose our QB with 2 days before the trade deadline?
Tebow had just looked TERRIBLE week 6.
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I read that they would.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:28 am
just watching the Rose Bowl, man the Ducks O is fun to watch.
Vic Fangio, now-famous D-coordinator for 49ers, got toasted by it back to back seasons. Gave up close to 100 points in those two games.
January 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 am
Clean house
January 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 am
In Steve’s summary of Jackson’s comments there was the following:
Says Hue “hopes to be involved in the general manager search;”
Two things strike me about that stated desire by Hue:
1. If Hue were involved in the search for a GM
that would be a little weird.
How often does a head coach choose the
general manager for fuk’s sake?
2. The fact that Hue even articulates that desire
kind of suggests that all Hue’s bluster since
the loss is just that: bluster. He doesn’t
feel as secure as he sounds.
Jackson’s record, after all is worse than Cable’s: 8-8 but didn’t sweep the division and went pretty much belly up in the last four games (1-4).
There also seemed to be a lack of respect and effort among the players and Hue’s actual play calling is really up and down.
And we all know what Al said when he fired Cable:
“Maybe 8-8 is good enough for you but it’s not good enough for me.”
Should Hue get another year? Probably, he’s only had one year. But then, so did Cable and they’re both pretty much average coaches.
If the Raiders are looking for the strong general manager that we need, they may be waiting for end of the playoffs.
I sure as hell hope that they ARE looking for a GM because we DAMN WELL NEED a strong GM to take over and plan the teams future now that Al has died and that GM needs to have total control including the right to fire and hire coaches.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:00 am
#775 ENGLANDRAIDER
Hue Jackson’s playcalling has not been up and down. He’s known throughout the league as one of the best playcallers in the game. Players have to make plays. Fancy playcalling will get you to 8-8 (see Gruden’s first two years) but it takes players to get over the hump. We are not as talented as we all think we are.
Here are my picks if I was Mark Davis:
In order of value IMO:
GM candidates:
1. Reggie McKenzie
2. Elliot Wolf
3. Eric DeCosta
4. Scot McCloughan
5. Tom Gamble
Head coach candidates:
1. Hue Jackson (I prefer he stays)
2. Gruden (He should always be at the top of our lists)
3. Bill Cowher
4. Jeff Fisher
Defensive coordinator candidates:
1. Winston Moss (3-4)
2. Steve Spagnuolo (4-3)
3. Mike Singletary (WE NEED A YELLER!)
4. Dennis Thurman (3-4)
5. Jack Del Rio (4-3)
6. Mike Nolan (3-4)
FA’s
1. Cut Boller
2. Re-Sign Branch
3. Re-Sign Bush or Sign Peyton Hillis
4. Switch to 3-4 or trade Rolando to a 3-4 team that can use him to his abilities
5. Get Namdi back. Trade McFadden for Namdi and McCoy if we have to.
6. Convince JC to stay as a backup.
7. Sign any top LB’s or DE’s that are available
8. Replace Henderson with someone of the same body type but younger and healthier.
Draft
Pick nothing but linebackers and offensive lineman.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:02 am
And let me add, if we could sign Payton Hillis on the cheap, Im all for packaging Bush and McFadden for Philly if it means getting Namdi back.
And honestly, John Marshall should be somewhere on my list of DC candidates.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:05 am
Raiders coach Hue Jackson promised to build a bully, solve the penalties issue and get his defense to stop the run. In the end, none of those things happened, and he fared no better than his predecessor
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so basically, Hue Jackson is just as worthless as the current president of the USA.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:06 am
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 am
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Jackson’s record, after all is worse than Cable’s: 8-8 but didn’t sweep the division and went pretty much belly up in the last four games (1-4). …
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Have to take issue with this. First, 8-8 is 8-8. If you want to pick that apart you also need to factor in that last year we played the NFC West and AFC South in our non-division games. I would assert that this year’s NFC North and AFC East were both much tougher divisions.
More importantly though, Tom Cable was not 8-8 as coach of the Raiders as so many in here assert. He was 17-27 as coach of the Raiders. He won less than 1/3 of his games as Raiders head coach before Hue Jackson took over the offense and we went from a 12 ppg 5-11 team in 2009 to a 26 ppg and 8-8 team in 2010.
P.S. — Jon Gruden was 8-8 in each of his first two seasons in Oakland.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:07 am
Jackson’s anger was evident during his postgame news conference Sunday, saying numerous times how “pissed” he is at his players and for how the Raiders squandered an opportunity to make the playoffs for the first time since 2002.
“To say I’m pissed off is an understatement,” Jackson said in his opening remarks, with a scowl on his face.
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Hue blames his players???
I wonder what the players think of Hue’s performance?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:11 am
I’ve taken this thing on all year and, look, bottom line is, we don’t tackle very well in the secondary, we don’t make the plays that you have to make in the secondary to be very successful. We’re not where we need to be yet. It’s my job, and I’m going to get it fixed. – Hue Jax
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Rod Woodson axed if Hue stays?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:13 am
ArmChair GM Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 am
One stop against Buffalo, Detroit or San Diego, and we waltz into the playoffs.
That’s all I asked for. One stop. Instead we got to witness a 99 and a HALF yard drive to end our season.
I’m done arguing with illogical people.
Get a real defensive coordinators with Boar Hunters on defense and we become a perennial post season team.
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Agreed. If the defense was even mediocre this season then Hue Jackson is the toast of Raider Nation right now. Gotta get a real coordinator on that side as well as consider and possibly overhaul the defensive roster, starting with trading or releasing RoMac.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 am
Did Hue blame the phone systems for some communication errors?
I have never heard that one before.
Ever the evolving salesman is Hue.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:14 am
Player both on and off the record stand behind Hue.
The good ones are ready and eager for him to start cleaning house.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:15 am
Rod Woodson should not be axed. He’s a quality assistant coach. He needs better players to work with.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Any sane GM that comes in will not trade or release RoMac.
I mean release him? We are going to give Rolando less of a chance than Jamarcus?
And why do you guys always throw out trading players? Newsflash, active players don’t get anything in trade value.
Brandon Lloyd led the NFL in receiving yardage in 2010, and was traded for a 6th round pick.
You could package Tommy Kelly, Stanford Routt and Lamar Houston and probably not get a 3rd round pick for the three of them.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:19 am
JFB, youre probably right.
Which is why I suggested we trade players for players. Philly isnt happy with Namdi. We are all wishing he was back, as Im sure he does as well.
If McFadden is not going to play a full season, he must be traded for someone that can help us. The guy is a MVP candidate when healthy but it may never happen. I love the guy to death but if he cant play, trade him for someone who can.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 am
I’ve taken this thing on all year and, look, bottom line is, we don’t tackle very well in the secondary, we don’t make the plays that you have to make in the secondary to be very successful. We’re not where we need to be yet. It’s my job, and I’m going to get it fixed. – Hue Jax
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Rod Woodson axed if Hue stays?
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Woodson coaches the Cornerbacks and he did a fine job with the rookies until they went down, maybe Kevin Ross is the one in danger but I would say Hue blames the scheme (Bresnahan) and some players like Boyd and Mitchell or Huff.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:20 am
We have these options…
Resign Bush and keep our RB group as it is.
Resign Bush, sign Hillis, and trade DMC for some player (LB, DE, CB) that can contribute.
Or let Bush walk, sign Hillis for much less, and keep DMC.
Take your pick, what would you do?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Rolando McClain had more sacks than any other MLB in the NFL, and was 2nd in passes defensed for any LB in the NFL.
So basically, if he can clean up his run support, we are talking about a MLB who is an elite blitzer, very good in pass coverage, and hopefully very good in run support.
But we should cut him at 22 years old, take a huge cap hit next year, for why again?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:16 am
Any sane GM that comes in will not trade or release RoMac.
I mean release him? We are going to give Rolando less of a chance than Jamarcus?
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Trade RoMac to a high school cross country team. He clearly enjoys jogging. Does it for about 3 hours every Sunday in the fall.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Boyd and Mitchell are not NFL players.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
And here it is again…..
People want to get rid of Hue Jackson now?.
You gotta be freaking kidding me.
Don’t you remember what it was like for the Raiders before Jackson came here?.
I’ll remind you, nothing to play for by late ocotber- november, we could not manage to win more than 5 games a year.
Jackson’s area of expertise is offense and he has delivered, he arrived last year and completely turned around an anemic unit, that’s why we were able to break the losing seasons streak.
We have 16 wins is 2 years thanks to his offense, it would have taken 4 years to get them the way things used to be…..now he has to get the defense fixed.
But after his 1st year as a Head Coach, yes don’t forget he was a rookie himself, in a season where:
- There was no offseason and hardly a training camp to break the new coach in.
- The team’s GM friggin died (whatever you think of Al, his presence allowed the coaches to focus on coaching).
- Your starting QB, only the most important position on the field and your star RB, only your best player on the team, were lost for the season after week 7.
- You are forced to bring in a QB from the street and ask him to step in the middle of a playoff battle without your only difference-maker (D-Mac) and an inexperienced WR corps that was just getting in-synch when Ford and Moore started to miss games too.
I’m glad he spoke out yesterday….this team was put in position to win 10 or 11 games, the Defensive Coordinator and the defensive players did not deliver and Hue said what needed to be said.
I would have been upset if he hadn’t called people out…. what happened yesterday and so many times with the defense was unacceptable and I’m happy it seems he’s about to make some big changes.
Those are grown men out there making a ton of money, who gives a crap if they’re offended, they should be embarrassed.
And yes Hue covered for them all year long while everyone here cursed them out, now the season is over and Jackson can say what he wants because it won’t disrupt chemistry and stuff, those who did their job know he’s not talking about them, but those who didn’t know they better step up or be gone.
Jackson was a rookie coach, he’s learning too but I liked his attitude and agressive play-calling, he showed balls as well by making some gutsy calls that not many rookie HC’s would even think about.
After all, if someone had told you before the season started that we would lose Jason Campbell and McFadden by week 8, but that we would be playing for the Division on week 17 you would not have believed it, but Hue did it, he moved quickly on Palmer to save the season and kept the team alive, gotta give him credit.
Hue deserves 2 more years, no doubt about it (unless something awful goes down next year).
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:23 am
Yeah, because every MLB just sprints everywhere for 3 hours.
Get a grip man. I watch Ray Lewis jog behind plays sometimes.
I will be happy to point out MLB’s trailing plays and not in full sprint this weekend if you would like.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 am
Well said Bob Marley.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:25 am
JFB, where did you see me suggest we cut RoMac?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:26 am
Bob,
I will leave it in the new GM’s hands.
If he fires Hue, I will not be upset. He is not God’s gifts to offenses, as long as we replace him with an NFL level offensive mind, I highly doubt our offensive production will drop off.
You either know how to manage a clock and a lockerroom or you don’t. Hue gaffe’s in clock/game management were beyond ridiculous, and his team faded down the stretch, never listened to him about the penalties, and didn’t even show up for games down the stretch.
Upgrading Hue Jackson should not be hard to do.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:27 am
JFB, you are wrong about MM34. He is the perfect hybrid LB/Safety that is needed in todays league.
He covers players like Gates and the TE’s in New England quite well. He did good against GB.
He is a keeper. LB’s cannot cover the modern TE.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 am
JFB,
Constant turnover is never good for a team. I dont care who you bring in.
He finally has his QB. Now let him get his own DC and give him an offseason to prep and youre going to be eating your words.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 am
“I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization,” Jackson said. “There ain’t no way that I’m going to feel like I feel today a year from now, I promise you that. There’s no question.
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Hue Jackson thinks its a lock he’ll return, eh?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:30 am
MM34 sucks man.
I mean, we lined him up on Gates early in the game and what was the result?
Gates was jogging into the end zone. Fkn joggin man!!!
He also beatched out on the kick return TD. Watch him at about the 25 yard line. He backs away from contact and let’s Goodman blow right past him.
Also wiffed on a tackle in the open field in the second half that cost us a 1st down.
He sucks, and will be lucky to make the 53 next year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 am
He finally has his QB. Now let him get his own DC and give him an offseason to prep and youre going to be eating your words.
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According to Hue’s comments in the offseason, Chuck B WAS HIS CHOICE.
They coached together in Cincy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 am
You know what would have killed me?.
If Hue Jackson came out and said the usual coaches crap: “I’m proud of my team, players and coaches, they gave their all but it’s unfortunate how things turned out, but we’re getting there…”.
That kind of talk would have made me disconnect for a while, I would not have been able to take it…I was looking for an angry man willing to let people have it.
So, I’m glad he came out and expressed his anger because that’s how every fan felt and players and coaches on Defense did NOT deserve a pat on the back after this debacle, they needed a kick in the ass and Hue delivered.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 am
Hue said he ran the org and that means defense too.
Screw that, Hue should be fired for the Cablesque performances against Miami, Green Bay, kansas city and san diego, thepenalties and mortgaging the future trying to make oakland look like CinCy West.
A real deal coach will arrest the penalty problem and get the team ready to play, even if that raggedy defense is overmatched.
Only B@uce, Rockstar and DKnight were dialed in on how bad the D has been for years and the prescription to cure it.
The rest of you guys are still looking for the offense to “score more points” cause the D was “gassed”.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 am
I thought John Henderson was going to fix the run D?
I mean before he was a Raider, that’s all I heard. Go get John Henderson to fix the run D.
I don’t think it is as much personnel with our run D, but an attitude and mentality.
We gave up 26 yards rushing through 3 quarters on Sunday, and than 127 yards in the 4th quarter.
That isn’t personnel, that is between the ears.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 am
DHB finished the season with 64 receptions for 975 yards and four touchdowns in his breakout season
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King Darrius!
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:35 am
I thought John Henderson was going to fix the run D?
I mean before he was a Raider, that’s all I heard. Go get John Henderson to fix the run D.
I don’t think it is as much personnel with our run D, but an attitude and mentality.
We gave up 26 yards rushing through 3 quarters on Sunday, and than 127 yards in the 4th quarter.
That isn’t personnel, that is between the ears.
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Not between the ears. In the chest. Stopping the run is about desire and will. Tommy Kelly has none of that and we’ve been a bad run defense every year he’s been on our team. I’m tired of thinking that’s a coincidence.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am
All you fools that keep calling for HueJax head need to stop playing madden so much. Continuity is huge in the NFL. We hated Al for firing coaches every 2 years, and now that he’s gone you want to do it again?? Crazy talk.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am
would 3rd place in the AFC West and an 8-8 record be “good enough” in the eyes of Al Davis?
it wasn’t last year!
but let’s give Hue another shot because he talks trash and paints his nails instead of punching assistants & flying in h00kers …
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 am
JFB, I agree, it is between the ears…of the personnel.
IMO, we are simply trying to squeeze water from a rock with the way we use our personnel.
our DE’s are not difference makers. we need to upgrade there. DE’s are the most important position on defense, and only behind QB and O-Line when evaluating the entire team.
Wimbley is a DE. Put him there. Houston is a interior lineman. Put him there.
We need to stop trying to make players adapt to our system, and instead put them where they will play best. Or go get the players that can play our system. Drafting McClain made no sense. He’s a 3-4 guy. And so is Seymour. We’ve mismanaged our talent.
Between Seymour, Wimbley, Shaunessey, Curry, and McClain, we’d have a damn good 3-4 defense if we simply put the rest of the pieces around these guys.
Switch MM34 to a 3-4 OLB to come in on the passing downs. He can cover as well as blitz.
We have the personnel to start building a proper 3-4 defense. Lets get a GM and DC in that can get the rest of the talent needed.
At least we can all agree on one thing, the DEFENSE is our problem.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:21 am
Rolando McClain had more sacks than any other MLB in the NFL, and was 2nd in passes defensed for any LB in the NFL.
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RoMac had 5 sacks this year. Just 1 in 2010. He has 1 INT in two seasons.
What you say is true, but I’m more concerned by the fact he’s 30th in the NFL in tackles by a linebacker than I am encouraged that he leads LBs with almost 1 pass defensed per game.
I’m more concerned that our defense set all sorts of Raider records for futility this season with RoMac as the “quarterback” of the defense. See AP beat writer Josh Dubow’s Twitter page for the rundown on how pathetic this year’s D was statistically.
I’m more concerned that he seems to have a been there done that attitude. He entered the league with that mindset that he’s the equivalent of a veteran All-Pro player because he played in the SEC and won a bunch of awards. Well, he’s not and the SEC is not even close to the NFL. RoMac’s ‘Bama team or this year’s LSU team would get beat by 50+ against the 2-14 2011 Indianapolis Colts.
I’m more concerned that, dating back to watching him in college, he doesn’t hustle, doesn’t move his feet, doesn’t seem to care. Contrast McClain’s attitude and effort with a guy like Ray Lewis or a guy like Brian Urlacher. Forget the fact that he’s not nearly the athlete those guys are, do you ever see him leading a defense the way those guys have done?
Look, I’m not going to go crazy if McClain is still starting in 2012. I’ll hope for the best and that he matures and I think if we move to a 3-4 he’d be a much better fit. But I’ve been completely underwhelmed by this guy and I never thought the Raiders should’ve drafted him in the first place.
P.S. — All this is contingent upon him not being in prison next fall.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:43 am
•Trading DMC is idiotic.
•McClain just finished his 2nd season, keep the axe in storage until after next season if he struggles.
•Al’s boys need to renegotiate their contracts(Routt, Wimbley, Huff)
•I think we have the personnel to switch to a 3-4 (just need to add the key ingredient, NT)
•I think Hue is safe and WILL have input on the GM & assistant coach hiring.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 am
Well said Chris in NY
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:44 am
Continuity is huge in the NFL.
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Absolutely.
Bring in a GM and don’t forcefeed a HC on him.
I will support the new GM whatever he goes. If he fires Hue, I think it will be pretty easy to upgrade a guy who was the mastermind behind the most penalized team in NFL history and has no idea how to manage the clock down the streth of a football game.
If he wants to keep him and give him a second chance (that’s what it is, because he blew his first chance) I will support that as well.
Either way, it is the GM’s choice, and nothing should be cemented in, for “continuity’s” sake.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:45 am
it’s definitely tough to swallow,” right guard Cooper Carlisle said Monday
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thats not what Hue said !!
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:41 am
would 3rd place in the AFC West and an 8-8 record be “good enough” in the eyes of Al Davis?
it wasn’t last year!
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Again, Tom Cable didn’t get fired because he went 8-8 last year. He had three years to coach this team. Won less than 1/3 of his games as coach before Hue Jackson came on as OC and we went from scoring 12 ppg to 26 ppg.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:46 am
Corkran says Hue Jackson reads everything.
So Hue if you happen to read this, I have a message for you:
Most fans stand behind you, do what you have to do and don’t look back man.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 am
McClain never even was charged with a felony. All misdimeanors. He wont see a second in prison.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:47 am
According to Hue’s comments in the offseason, Chuck B WAS HIS CHOICE.
They coached together in Cincy.
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Do you really believe this? I think it was just Hue going along with Al’s choice.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
All this is contingent upon him not being in prison next fall.
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Prison on a misdemeanor??
He will not see any jail time, will plead down to simple assault, and be suspended one game for the opener next season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
Jackson spent all season saying he isn’t into pointing fingers, making excuses and singling out players. His comments Sunday broke from that …
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no kidding?
you mean he was feeding us a line of crap all along?
who knew?
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:48 am
And no, Al wouldnt have let 8-8 stand. And would have fired Chucky B’s ass 10 minutes after that game against SD. Al loved D and wouldve known this DC was incapable.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am
i think this year was an eye opener for hue ,wasnt as easy as he thought it would be .also the clock management problems were magnified because they were critical times at the end of the year when the pressure was on .and the play calling not really up to par as a result of every thing i just said .we know hue is capable of an A+ grade for running the offense ,and im sure he can add (2 point conv.)(field goal try).if he continues to try to do everything his self it will cost him his job.he needs to decide if he wants to run the offense ,or manage the game .too much for a rookie coach,,,,,also nobody wants to stand on the side lines and be like (coach are you gonna go for 2,coach theres not enough time ,coach are you gonna call a timeout ,coach i gotta go to the bathroom,coach did you see where i put my helmut i cant find it. even the kickers would kick that guys azz
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:49 am
Do you really believe this? I think it was just Hue going along with Al’s choice.
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I think Hue had plenty of say in the decision, and like I said, they coached together before.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:50 am
Exactly Carl.
Bres is toast.
We’re gonna go after the best DC we can. Whether it be reuniting Spag’s with Wauffle or switching to a 3-4 with Moss or Singletery.
I dont think Hue has decided which way theyre going. Its gonna depend on who they can get.
I like that philosophy. Tho I hope we go 3-4.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:51 am
What Hue needs is a GM to come take some pressure off of him in other areas so he can focus on just coaching the team. Too many irons in the fire to be as effective as he could be.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 am
Tom Cable didn’t get fired because he went 8-8 last year
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Chris,
all Al cared about was wins & losses. If you’ve got something from him that states otherwise, I’d be happy to read it!
Cable to Jackson as play caller was an improvement
Cable to Jackson as HC was a lateral move. both average
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:52 am
I agree Forrest.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:53 am
John Henderson was better than nothing. As with most free agents, the raiders don’t get the best yrs out of a player, someone else does.
See, Seymour, Palmer, TJ and Lito Sheppard for examples.
Stop the run, win the game!
Still holds true even in light of the “9th” ranked offense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
We had a worse record in the division and at home than the previous year, and set a freaking NFL record in penalties.
Any GM worth his salts is going to look at that, and want answers from Hue on how he is going to fix it, and if he doesn’t like the answers, than Hue will be gone.
It is as simple as that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
I know Hue and Chucky B worked together and if I remember correctly Chuck B’s defense then was ranked 28th, 30th & 26th in yards allowed. (I just read an article yesterday about his time in cincy)
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:54 am
I’m going the other way and double-down on Hue. I say not only do we definitely keep him as HC, but I wouldn’t mind making him the de facto GM for another year and see what he can do.
The Curry trade was a great deal, IMO. I for one love the Palmer trade and it was miraculous he was able to pull that off within about a two-day window before the trade deadline. It saved any hope for this season and if the defense makes just one stop on the opponent backed up to its own 1-yard line in EITHER the Detroit or SD games we are in the playoffs right now thanks largely to Palmer’s sensational performance in those two games.
The only move I didn’t like was dropping Hagan for Houshmanzadeh. But there you’re talking about swapping out your No. 5 or 6 receiver.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 am
Good Morning Nation!
Sorry, still pissed because of Sunday! Tired of…oh, we let it slip away….blah blah blah…
Chuck B not fired yet?
Anyways….Gabby, get these boys whatever they want today!
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:56 am
Not true RaiderRockstar.
While Cables press conferences might have been better and his better game management helped him look the part.
Cable would not have won 4 games this season. Just take all into consideration that Hue had to deal with. Al’s death, JC’s injury, DMC, RoMac’s legal woes, RoMac’s bum leg, decimated DB corps, injured Seymour all season, both #1 and #2 WR’s missing most of the year.
Hue did an amazing job when you look at the big picture.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:57 am
Now if Al were still here, I would say 110% we need to keep Hue.
But this is a landmark offseason for the Oakland Raiders. We are going to hire a GM for the first time in awhile, and he is going to have pretty much full reign on everything, from the staff to the players to the draft.
I want them all to be on the same page. If the new GM likes Hue’s passion and energy and they can work together, than fine, I will let Hue play out his contract.
But you can’t go get a top-flight GM prospect, while force-feeding a HC on him. That will turn good potential GM’s away from the gig.
You have to hire a guy and let him make the decision, but firing Hue can not be off the table.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am
#832
again, Chris in NY, spot on post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:58 am
816 imo cable was fired because he was proud of an 8-8 season and (were not losers anymore.and that is nowhere near good enough ,he set the bar at 8-8 seemed to be good with that .and that only means one thing and that is YOU LOST HALF YOUR DANN GAMES .ill give him this it may not be a losing season ,but it sure as hill aint no winning season either,setting the bar at 8-8 and being good with that will get you fired every time ,but being 8-8 and understanding that is not good enough might get you another year
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am
Okay, I need something else to do besides watch this page and PFT.com for Raiders news. They need to do something good so I can move on with my day!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
#832 is an insane recommendation.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:01 am
I’m going with Hue all day. If some unproven assistant player personnel “savior” from some other team who’s being considered for the Raiders GM position doesn’t like it he can go kick rocks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 am
I liked the Curry trade, only because we gave up peanuts for him.
Not sure why everyone grills Rolando when he is jogging behind a play, meanwhile Curry gets a pass FOR ACTUALLY GIVING UP THE PLAY.
When Curry f’s up, which is 1-3 times a game, it costs us 25+ yards.
That pitchout on 3rd down in the 4th quarter right at him, with the season on the line, was typical Aaron Curry.
Has one clear job on the play, to hold the edge. And what does he do? He crashes in and let’s the RB go 20 yards down the field before he even is touched.
I don’t think Curry will start 20 more games as a Raider.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:02 am
If the Raiders are seriously pursuing McKenzie or Wolf from GB, they can do it this week because they have a bye. We should hear something today I’m sure.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
#835
I agree with that post 100% JFB.
Let the new GM have the option. I just think it would be a mistake if he fires Hue.
But above else, hire the best GM we can.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am
838.Raiderbuck Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 7:59 am
Okay, I need something else to do besides watch this page and PFT.com for Raiders news. They need to do something good so I can move on with my day!
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Come back in 4 hours…
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am
Hue hasn’t kept a job with one organization for more than 3 years.
People act like we should give Hue a contract extension and tie him up for years.
Newsflash, Hue will seek bigger and brighter lights the first moment it is available.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 am
#835
I agree with that post 100% JFB.
Let the new GM have the option. I just think it would be a mistake if he fires Hue.
But above else, hire the best GM we can.
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I agree as well, with both of you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:05 am
Hue hasn’t kept a job with one organization for more than 3 years.
People act like we should give Hue a contract extension and tie him up for years.
Newsflash, Hue will seek bigger and brighter lights the first moment it is available.
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He will be a savior if he brings us a ring. The lights dont get much bigger and brighter than that. Dont insult the guy for having ambition. It’s why he is an NFL head coach and youre posting on a blog.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am
845 thats called ambition
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:08 am
There is not much to sweat here, I dont like that we didnt make the playoffs, however its what I said from the beggining of the year, “that our downfall would be Chuck.B–the defense will cost us” I did not agree with Al’s decision about not bringing John Marshall back, and then turning around to bring in Chuck.B. That alone was the worst move made out of all the moves. Marshall as I recall did not have LB’s covering WR’s.
Thats what I been seeing all year, and once you start the year with a D-Coor it is difficult to break away from his philosophy. I dont think Hue had the power to just get rid of Chuck.B…but he also knew that even if he did, it would not bring the results needed immediatley.
Look, anybody that knows about football can tell how many times our defenders were out of position. This was the worst that I remember. Remember that even when Marshall was here our run-defense was not top notch (we were 11th in NFL-overall though) however our pass defense had never looked so bad…and that alone cannot be attributed to not having Nmamdi…that is Chuck.B’s schemes that I witnessed all during Grudens coaching years, and the difference then is that our overall personell were better at overcoming his flawed schemes back then.
In short, If we still had a competent D-Coor we would have made the Playoffs and not lost the Bills & Lions games at least….believe me, if its up to Hue, Chuck.B will be gone soon!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
847 you type faster than i do
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
LOL
He can have ambition all he wants, and I wont hold it against him.
I’m just not hitching my saddle to a guy for MY TEAM, that has shown he will leave on a moments notice.
BTW, a lot of his job “changes” were demotions from OC to positions coach, and he was not asked back.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:09 am
850 lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
Jon Gruden had ambition too.
How did that end for us?
We have to look out for the Oakland Raiders and not Hue Jackson.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 am
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:11 am
Jon Gruden had ambition too.
How did that end for us?
We have to look out for the Oakland Raiders and not Hue Jackson.
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Al TRADED Gruden away smarty. Not his fault he’s not here still.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 am
Gruden wanted to leave. He was “ambitious”. He openly talked about “having a coke” with the Notre Dame people, while recieving a Raiders paycheck.
He was not coming back, was on the last year of his deal, and Al got what he could for him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 am
No organization likes people who are power hungry, always nipping at their co-worker coaches, trying to throw them under a bus to get promoted.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:17 am
send hue packing right now!!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:18 am
i also think the seymore deal was a good move.we were pretty bad with high hopes .richard woke up the D and we were better just because he was here instantly .our record improved ,our confidence shot up.and we competed with SD instead of getting blown out ,and went on to beat those mutha uckas ,big upgrade
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:19 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:15 am
Gruden wanted to leave. He was “ambitious”. He openly talked about “having a coke” with the Notre Dame people, while recieving a Raiders paycheck.
He was not coming back, was on the last year of his deal, and Al got what he could for him.
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Easy to speculate he wouldve left. Just as easy to speculate that Al couldve kept him if he really wanted him. Fact is Al didnt like Gruden getting the credit for our success.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am
The point is Forrest, that good young coaches use the Raiders as a stepping stool in their career, not as where they are going to retire.
The new GM will be here longer than Hue, whether Hue goes 4-12 next year or 12-4.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am
this is pissibg me off tuesday already and no changes made…other teams are moving on firing and interviewing, wth get rid of hue!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 am
JFB,
They used to because of Al. Hopefully that changes now. I agree about the GM being here a long time. (hopefully) But right now I think we need continuity. Let HueJack pick his own DC and and lets see what he can do. If it doesnt work out we are no worse off than we have been for the last 10 years. Point is we played a game to win the AFC West. We havent done that in a long time. HueJack was the HC that presided over that team. That earns him another year at least.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 am
861.firehue Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:21 am
this is pissibg me off tuesday already and no changes made…other teams are moving on firing and interviewing, wth get rid of hue!
Dont you realize that whatever he does has to go through the hierarchy 1st? Even the Palmer trade had to be okayed. He’s got to have Mark Davis endorsement on all moves.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:26 am
We should follow Houstons plan and seriously evaluate the D this offseason. Changes need to be made, players and coaches need to be held accountable for that nonsense they put on the field.
The new GM should come in to shake things up and take the reigns. Let Hue know he’s just a HC with some input and see what his plans are. His Rookie mistakes are fixable and with some depth and healthy players, i think he’ll do well. Again it’s up to the GM and not me. Hue should be put on his heels and sweat a lil for his job.
I really don’t want to start over with yet another head coach and playbook just to hear we’ll get em next year. I honestly would like to see how Hue bounces back in year 2 as HC. It will be interesting offseason and looking forward to see how this pans out. What i do know is that the D is in shambles and needs attn.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
Well that game sucked.
Possiblyt the most heartbreaking I’ve been witness too. More so than Super Bowl loss.
However, I still stick by Hue.
We’ll fix the defense and be elite next year.
I think a lot of the more level headed thought the same throughout the year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:27 am
856 you are right but thats not the same as starting on the ground level being the the best you can be and when the chance comes along take it.and let it be known that your ready to take on more responsibility ,and climb the ladder ,,how do you think al davis came to own the raiders..and dont say strong arm cause thats just a rumor and you cant prove it ,and if you do my gang will jump you
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
what bugged me most about last game was Bolts could not stop Raiders passing game.
So the Raiders would get down to the twenty in like 5 plays.
then stupid Jackson calls nothing but running plays in the red zone which go nowhere and we end up w a field goal.
What a freaking moron. Even my wife figured this out.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Let HueJack pick his own DC and and lets see what he can do.
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Has Hue ever picked his own DC before? How do we know that this would be a success. And if it fails, we know both him and the DC will be gone.
Let the new GM pick the staff, of course with some input from the HC (whoever it is), and at least if it doesn’t work it, it is a learning experience for the GM.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Another thing Hue needs to instill is a hurry up Offense other than the 2 minute drill. They take too damn long and lets the D get set and adjust if needed. The O needs to put the pressure on and go for the throat!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
And 2 games ago when he throws deep on 3rd and 2 in 4th q. 2 YARDS! and the game was over. That was the season right there.
Right up there w the texans coach who still goes for 2 after getting a motion penalty.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am
Has Hue ever picked his own DC before?
NO, but clearly the one Al picked for him was a failure. Of course the GM will have input, but HC’s around the league generally get to pick their own staff. Except in Oakland. Which is why no top flight coaches ever want to come here. And you want that trend to continue????
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:32 am
Weasel, defense’s tighten up in the red zone. No room to throw all over the field. You know as much about football as your wife apparently.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am
A head coach is not the same as an OC. Most of you want to keep Hue’s playcalling and mgt of the offense. But a head coach is much more than that.
Hue has a lot more in common with Norv Turner than he does with Mike Tomlin or Sean Peyton.
Hue can’t lead an entire team. He had his multiple chances and blew it against Miami, Green Bay, San Diego and a BS effort in KC. That’s a 4 gm audition during a playoff run.
I said that the team needed to finish strong “win or lose” for Hue to stay. That team looked like absolute shhhhhh down the stretch. Including the offense when it counted.
I don’t want to see a repeat of those p!ss poor efforts and the excuses.
Raiders can finally get a strong HC, time to make the move. Hue is only here cause he was willing to accept the working conditions. Time for change!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am
868.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Let HueJack pick his own DC and and lets see what he can do.
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Has Hue ever picked his own DC before? How do we know that this would be a success. And if it fails, we know both him and the DC will be gone.
Let the new GM pick the staff, of course with some input from the HC (whoever it is), and at least if it doesn’t work it, it is a learning experience for the GM.
Remember that Chuck.B was Al’s pick…Hue wanted Dennis Thurman, the Jets DB coach in for an interview,but Rex Ryan was also against that interview happening because he did not want to lose Thurman to the Raiders to be our D-Coor
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:34 am
Deja Vu Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Another thing Hue needs to instill is a hurry up Offense other than the 2 minute drill. They take too damn long and lets the D get set and adjust if needed. The O needs to put the pressure on and go for the throat!
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Palmer was doing some of this in some games this year. Expect to see more of it next year when he actually knows the playbook. SMH.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
874.ddwight Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 am
868.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:29 am
Let HueJack pick his own DC and and lets see what he can do.
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Has Hue ever picked his own DC before? How do we know that this would be a success. And if it fails, we know both him and the DC will be gone.
Let the new GM pick the staff, of course with some input from the HC (whoever it is), and at least if it doesn’t work it, it is a learning experience for the GM.
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Remember that Chuck.B was Al’s pick…Hue wanted Dennis Thurman, the Jets DB coach in for an interview,but Rex Ryan was also against that interview happening because he did not want to lose Thurman to the Raiders to be our D-Coor
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
And you want that trend to continue????
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Absolutely not. I am ready to start with a complete clean slate, from GM on down.
You are the one who wants to hire a GM, but force the HC on him and let the HC hire the DC.
If that’s the case, why don’t we just hire Hue as the GM?
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
Same inept D we’ve had for years. The whole league knows if you’re within a score at the end of the game, the Raiders D will lay down. Even the announcers were trashing the DC’s decisions.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:37 am
Let’s stop living in “what if’s” and start discussing reality.
The reality is, this season has been galvanizing for the organization. Al’s death forced the Raiders’ brass into a situation and bond that isnt going away anytime soon. Herrera, Trask, Mark, and including Hue.
Those 4 are going to see this thing out.
So lets stop talking about firing Hue because it isnt going to happen. Lets start showing support because if we are behind him, and the org is behind him, then the players will have no choice.
A GM is gonna come in, and its going to be a guy that has all their blessings. And wants to join in on the process.
Those are the facts and if you honestly can see it playing out any differently, please explain why.
Otherwise, its time we start talking about which GM candidate we would like to see PARTNERED with Hue. And which DC to replace Bres. As well as FA moves and the draft.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
i dont think we have seen hue the head coach yet .we have seen the head coach/off cord/gm as a rookie way ,way too much even for a seasoned vet.he could probably do any one of those jobs very well butt not all three at once as a rookie ,,come on be realistic
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
Routt was the Bolts’ b@tch.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
And you want that trend to continue????
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Absolutely not. I am ready to start with a complete clean slate, from GM on down.
You are the one who wants to hire a GM, but force the HC on him and let the HC hire the DC.
If that’s the case, why don’t we just hire Hue as the GM?
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CONTINUITY!!!!! 1 game from the playoffs. With any kind of competent D we couldve been 11-5. (Bills, Lions, SD #2) all easily winnable. If we win those games are you still calling for HueJacks head? Answer is no. Stop being so reactionary. We need changes on DEFENSE. Not a complete overhaul.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
#873 astute post
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hue + a new DC = winning football team.
I know the Kleenex Crew will be out in full force calling for Hue’s head.
Its to be expected but I don’t agree with it.
I’d love to see what Hue could do with a s full season as a HC with his staff in place and some FA signings going into a training camp.
You guys watch the end of year presser? He nailed everything.
Obviously, he’s got room for improvement himself but he said everything we were thinking and I have a gut feeling he knows how to attack it and will have the help of what looks to be a very capable personel guy as GM.
Gonna be pretty toxic in here for a while, not sure how much I’ll be really into it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am
fire hue fire hue fire hue!!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 am
Raider Riff
McKenzie or Wolff from GB for GM. I would also consider Millen although reluctantly. As for DC let Hue have his druthers. If it doesnt work out the GM blows us up and does whatever he wants in terms of coaching moves. I just dont think this is the time to start all over. See Gary Kubiak.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:42 am
Firehue Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:40 am
fire hue fire hue fire hue!!!!
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clueless
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 am
And you want that trend to continue????
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Absolutely not. I am ready to start with a complete clean slate, from GM on down.
You are the one who wants to hire a GM, but force the HC on him and let the HC hire the DC.
If that’s the case, why don’t we just hire Hue as the GM?
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Spot on once again. Crazy talk from others suggesting Hue as GM, or a token assistant underling GM to partner with Hue.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 am
Being caught up emotionally with the game and being really tee’d off…I was calling for everyone’s head! now that I have calmed down a bit, i would say that I hope Mark and Amy get a good GM in here and go from there. If that means that he wants his own coaching staff, then be it…Although I would give Hue one more year as just HC…give the play calling back to Saunders and please…get a dam good DC!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 am
Nothing has changed about my opinion regarding Hue Jackson, so I’ll just repeat it for the record since we’re all talking about it:
He is Mike White for the new millennium. A talented offensive guy who believed his own press, undermined his predecessor by sucking up to Al and found himself FAR out of his depth when confronted by the full responsibilities of a head coach.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 am
a rookie HC is dealt blow after blow of injury, death, and yellow laundry yet manages to get his team within one defensive stop of the playoffs…
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:45 am
Remember last year? The biggest complaint was we could not stop the run.
We were a bit better on D cuz of Nnamdi back there and Shonasty was able to help get to the QB. We were tied for first in sacks I think.
Losing those two this year hurt and made us a little bit worse but we were all still worried about the D.
This year, we failed at ALL levels defensively.
I was of the thought “how much worse could we get w/o Nnamdi? Well, I guess we saw how much worse.
I would’ve gladly traded our D straight up for any other D in the league cuz I think any one of those teams find a way to make ONE STOP against Buff, Det, and SD.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
Well, looks like Fisher is interviewing for Miami and Bears GM, Jerry Angelo has been fired…
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
i wish al were here…”8-8? That may be the world you live in…”
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:46 am
Well, looks like Fisher is interviewing for Miami and Bears GM, Jerry Angelo has been fired…
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Angelo built a team of consistent mediocrity. No thanks.
Give me DeCosta lured away from Baltimore with a big salary, that guy from Green Bay whose name escapes me or Scot McCloughan. (Don’t laugh at the last…a lot of his draft picks are paying off big time for the Niners now)
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
892 ditto
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
ALL WE NEED PEOPLES IS A NEW D-COOR THAT KNOWS NOT TO HAVE YOUR LB’S COVERING WR’S…RELAX ALREADY YOU RATS THAT WANT HUE FIRED!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
If we win those games are you still calling for HueJacks head? Answer is no.
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Your right, I wouldn’t be.
But that IS EXACTLY WHY I AM CALLLING FOR HIS HEAD.
He completely choked those winnable games away, and the opposing coach’s went and made halftime adjustments and took Hue to the woodshood and completely schooled him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
Bears will be going hot for Polians. I heard it on Chicago radio today.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
You have an opportunity right now to install a long-term GM regime with guys who have rebuilt the Packers for two decades. But you want to piss that away by granting Hue another year with even more control, and then when Hue bombs out again, aggravating you all with the same type of team performances we saw in 2011, then everyone’s gonna be THEN saying “fire hue, time to bring in a proper GM” etc but this time you wont have the opportunity to get these guys because you shunted them for Huellywood and they signed extensions or got promotions with the Packers or they got signed to another loser team that within a year or two is now challenging for super bowls.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
firehue Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:48 am
i wish al were here…”8-8? That may be the world you live in…”
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THANK YOU.
I forget the exact quote, but Al’s mantra that “The greatness of the Raiders lies in the will to win” is what I always come back to.
This team with Hue Jackson as head coach will endlessly vibrate between 7-9 and 9-7. So many are satisfied with mediocrity and it boggles my mind.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
893….thats what i mean, things are happening right now…but the raiders? …evaluating…
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
#886 Forrest Hump.
See my post #777. I have Mckenzie and Wolf high on my list as well.
Gary Kubiak is an excellent example of seeing what patience can do. The Texans season mirrored our with regards to major injuries. But because they had a top DC, they still made it into the playoff and are still a dangerous team.
If they had fired Kubiak in any of the last 3 seasons when the fans clamored for it….they would not be where they are now.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 am
Nothing has changed about my opinion regarding Hue Jackson, so I’ll just repeat it for the record since we’re all talking about it:
He is Mike White for the new millennium. A talented offensive guy who believed his own press, undermined his predecessor by sucking up to Al and found himself FAR out of his depth when confronted by the full responsibilities of a head coach.
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Great post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:51 am
If the Raiders had not went to the run in the red zone, game over. They couldn’t stop our passing game either. Hue needs to accept that. This team could become a passing powerhouse next years.
Cardinals would have easily defeated Steelers in SB had they realized earlier that Pitt could stop their passing. Moronic to pass your way the the SB and then try to establish your running game the entire first half when you get there.
If the Raiders can pass like they have been showing, use the run sparingly.
This offense is really talented and was often stifled by bad play calls at certain moments. Then a tired defense has to go out there.
How many times in the 4th when we need to run out the clock Hue calls the same 3 running plays, they stuff us, score and we lose? Freaking pass the ball already.
All freaking season he gets to the red zone and goes to the run, which worked ok for 8 games. I just want to see him call the plays he calls when we’re not in the red zone. Then we can just have Seabass kick little extra points.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
All freaking season he gets to the red zone and goes to the run, which worked ok for 8 games.
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No coincidence those games all featured Darren McFadden. Bush is a talented RB. He is not McFadden though, and I don’t know why Hue continued to go run heavy in the red zone.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:53 am
Fisher is such a hot item right now but when you look at what he’s really won and his overall record of accomplishment it’s not that impressive.
The fact he was able to last 16 yrs. with the same team is an accomplishment I guess.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
If you’re out there calling for Hue to be fired, you are an idiot!!!
Hue Jackson lost his Mentor Al Davis, his starting QB, and one of the best running back in the league, not to mention several wide during the course of the season. he is an offensive mind coach who has to look to his DC when it comes to the defense. He can’t sit in every defensive meetingand demand changes be made in the middle of the season. It’s not done that way. If the defense was half decent, the raiders would be in the playoff’s and AFC West Champs.
Back to Back 8 and 8 seasons sound like 1998 and 1999 to me and you know what happen after that. In 2012 we stay healthy and win the west and contend for the bowl. That is what I see, but Chuck has to go as the DC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
GG, see my post #879
Hue isnt going anywhere. Get over it and lets move on. Youre beating a dead donkey.
Lets stop talking in circles and be progressive.
Hue isnt going anywhere.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
If we win those games are you still calling for HueJacks head? Answer is no.
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Your right, I wouldn’t be.
But that IS EXACTLY WHY I AM CALLLING FOR HIS HEAD.
He completely choked those winnable games away, and the opposing coach’s went and made halftime adjustments and took Hue to the woodshood and completely schooled him.
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So the man in charge of the defense bears NO responsibility?? And did HE choke those leads away, or did the players?? Cmon man…..
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
900.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:49 am
You have an opportunity right now to install a long-term GM regime with guys who have rebuilt the Packers for two decades. But you want to piss that away by granting Hue another year with even more control, and then when Hue bombs out again, aggravating you all with the same type of team performances we saw in 2011, then everyone’s gonna be THEN saying “fire hue, time to bring in a proper GM” etc but this time you wont have the opportunity to get these guys because you shunted them for Huellywood and they signed extensions or got promotions with the Packers or they got signed to another loser team that within a year or two is now challenging for super bowls.
Exactly!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
908
couldnt be more right.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 am
Kudo’s to Cooper Carlisle for finishing with the least penalties amongst our O-line with 3, and zero false starts, while playing every snap.
Veldheer had 8, Wiz 6, Satele 9, and Barnes 10 (8 of them procedural)
Wiz went the last 7 games with only 1 penalty. Future Pro Bowler.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 am
If the new GM decides to ride with Hue one more year but that is all he has to worry about is coaching the team…I’m all for it, but if he decides to get his own staff in here…why not?
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 am
If I’m interviewing Fisher for HC I ask him;
“So you’re saying that the goal is to win a championship, yet you had 16 yrs. to build a team that would do that. You had a supportive owner that gave you everything you wanted, or else you wouldn’t have stayed for that long right? So, tell me why I should believe you’ll be able to build a SB winner here?”
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:57 am
Just Fire Baby Says: Is totally clueless, dont waste your typing time on him!
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
So the man in charge of the defense bears NO responsibility?? And did HE choke those leads away, or did the players?? Cmon man…..
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Everything ultimately falls in the lap of the HC, right wrong or indifferent.
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Hue Jackson lost his Mentor Al Davis, his starting QB, and one of the best running back in the league, not to mention several wide during the course of the season. he is an offensive mind coach who has to look to his DC when it comes to the defense
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1) Hue Jackson is a grown-azz man and should not be in need of Al Davis to hold his hand. Besides, wouldn’t you think being free of a notoriously hands on owner who wanted things done just so would free a talented head coach’s hands and let him show everyone what he can do?
2) He then promptly traded for another starting QB who filled in pretty damn good once he got the feel for the playbook and the offense.
3) Yes, losing DMac was a hard blow. However, good teams overcome injuries. A lot of that is due to coaching. And hey, if he didn’t have a backup plan for a McFadden injury, then he’s frankly an idiot. He should know you can’t count on DMac fo ra full season.
4) Good head coaches should be familiar with both sides of the ball. You’re painting Hue Jackson as a lost child when it comes to defense, which is half the game. If you’re right, do you want a guy like that running the team?
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
GG, see my post #879
Hue isnt going anywhere. Get over it and lets move on. Youre beating a dead donkey.
Lets stop talking in circles and be progressive.
Hue isnt going anywhere.
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I agree that Hue will most likely be back.
HOWEVER, don’t underestimate the desire of a GM to want to bring in all of his own people to run things with him.
If Mark Davis finds a GM candidate he loves and is forced to choose between that guy and Hue, well….there is a chance Jackson could find himself with a pink slip.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 am
hue did well w the cards he was dealt for the most part.
Momentary lapses of reason.
He too must be more consistent.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Mark better not drag his feet too long on the GM search.
Let’s not be like the past where we were always last in hiring guys.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
So the man in charge of the defense bears NO responsibility?? And did HE choke those leads away, or did the players?? Cmon man…..
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Everything ultimately falls in the lap of the HC, right wrong or indifferent
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so you’re admitting your line of thinking is wrong……the HC has accepted responsibility and will make corrections……by hiring a DC that wasnt in the UFL last year. Everyone knows Al was the real DC and the players on defense didnt respect Chuck at all. Now that Al isnt there to meddle players like #93 may know that the HC is actually in charge and play like they need their jobs, not like they are one of Al’s boys.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everything ultimately falls in the lap of the HC, right wrong or indifferent.
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I don’t understand why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp.
The head general of an army takes the blame for a lost battle, even if he had a good plan that was fumbled by incompetent subordinates.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Carlisle was also credited with the least amount of sacks and QB hurries allowed by our O-lineman.
Veldheer ranked at the bottom of the NFL in both categories.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Post 884,
LA to the Bay kicking the truth. I’m cracking up at all these grown men in here crying like lil girls. Caldwell lost 1 player and the Colts went 1-15,,HueJax lost half the team and owner and went 8-8 and these girls are in the corner sitting in the fetal position boo hooing like brauds. Comical.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
Carlisle was also credited with the least amount of sacks and QB hurries allowed by our O-lineman.
Veldheer ranked at the bottom of the NFL in both categories.
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File this under “Things you wouldn’t have expected to read in September”
You got a link for these stats? Would love to see them myself and see what other surprises are there
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everything ultimately falls in the lap of the HC, right wrong or indifferent.
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I don’t understand why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp.
The head general of an army takes the blame for a lost battle, even if he had a good plan that was fumbled by incompetent subordinates.
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Generals dont get fired, they replace the incompetent subordinates. Just like Hue will.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
so you’re admitting your line of thinking is wrong
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I’m saying that’s how it works.
Was it everyone in Atlanta’s fault Mike Vick wanted to fight dogs?
Nope, but everyone got fired for it.
If your the head cheese, you are responsible for how your employees work. If they don’t produce, the head cheese gets canned.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
uh, for all those in Hue-hating mode…
try to name 5 excellent NFL HCs.
impossible isn’t it?
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
Should Hue stay or should he go…
If he stays there will be trouble…
If he goes it might be double…
So ya gotta let me know…
Should Hue stay or should he go.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
They need to pass more.
Keep Palmer.
DC needs to go.
I would love to see them get that dude from GB as their DC. Gotta get someone from a successful franchise.
I love Millen but his record as a DC is bad.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 am
Generals dont get fired,
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Really? Ask Horatio Gates, William Hull, Irvin McDowell, John Pope, Don Carlos Buell, George McClellan, Ambrose Burnside, Joe Hooker, William Rosecrans, and Douglas MacArthur if generals can be fired by their bosses. And that’s just a list of American generals I thought of off the top of my head.
Keep grasping for those straws.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 am
weaselbit Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 am
what bugged me most about last game was Bolts could not stop Raiders passing game.
So the Raiders would get down to the twenty in like 5 plays.
then stupid Jackson calls nothing but running plays in the red zone which go nowhere and we end up w a field goal.
What a freaking moron. Even my wife figured this out.
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This is exactly right. Palmer was completing 70+ percent of his passes and Bush was getting 3 yards a pop. So, what does a “good” coach do? Runs the rock and settles for FG’s? Fire Jackson.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
Raider Riff Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 am
Hue isnt going anywhere.
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Saying it doesn’t make it so. You have to accept the reality that Madden/Wolf/Herock have Carol and Mark’s ears and utter confidence. Their recommendation being the Packer guys if they can wing it, and Hue shuts his mouth about demanding power. They will have Carol and Mark’s confidence far more than Hue. If most of us, and the media, can see Hue being a bit of a car salesman and undermining his peers to move up, then don’t be so naive to think Mark, Amy, Herrera and the others don’t see it either.
The Raiders could well keep Hue as HC only. But they mightn’t (as explained above), so don’t be surprised if it happens.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
932
11 Generals in over 200 years of American history. I guess you really got me there. Average of 1 every 9 years or so. Guess I’ve been put in my place.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 am
uh, for all those in Hue-hating mode…
try to name 5 excellent NFL HCs.
impossible isn’t it?
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Mike Tomlin
John Harbaugh
Bill Belichick
Andy Reid
Mike McCarthy
Jim Schwartz
Jim Harbaugh
Sean Payton
Mike Smith
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 am
It’s still very simple and we’re overthinking this.
Get a GM. He’ll agree to work with Hue another year. Even a good “sound minded” GM will see that it makes sense and:
FIX THE D!
We can be scary good.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
I agree Hue isn’t going anywhere.
But his play calling in the red zone had me freaking cussing like I never have. that game was winnable.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Forrest Hump Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
932
11 Generals in over 200 years of American history. I guess you really got me there. Average of 1 every 9 years or so. Guess I’ve been put in my place.
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LOL, okay, dude. Arguing with you is clearly going to be an exercise in futility.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:09 am
Forrest Hump Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 am
932
11 Generals in over 200 years of American history. I guess you really got me there. Average of 1 every 9 years or so. Guess I’ve been put in my place.
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LOL, okay, dude. Arguing with you is clearly going to be an exercise in futility.
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Because your points are inane.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 am
Dammit I gotta go to work.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:11 am
Get a GM. He’ll agree to work with Hue another year.
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Don’t take this for granted.
I see 1 of 2 things happening:
1) Raiders hire a strong GM who will insist on cleaning house and doing things his way
2) Raiders hire a weak GM who will work with Hue and be effectively powerless since it’ll apparently be the GM answering to the head coach and not the other way around.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 am
I scared everyone away. Lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Were gonna hire a GM, said GM is going to give Hue the 1 year left on his contract and see what he does.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 am
Were also switching to a 3-4.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Here I said this last night. I am six time Exec of the Year Bill Polian who was just let go yesterday by an idiotic and drunken Robert Irsay who was emotional after the season. I bring in Hue Jackson and ask him one question and one question only “why do you deserve to stay on as HC of the Raiders?”
Someone give me a decent answer.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
#944 n 5
Thats how I see it playing out too.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
3-4 doesn’t fix anything when you have idiot players on your defense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Im gonna repost this because I’d actually like to start discussing reality.
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Here are my picks if I was Mark Davis:
In order of value IMO:
GM candidates:
1. Reggie McKenzie
2. Elliot Wolf
3. Eric DeCosta
4. Scot McCloughan
5. Tom Gamble
Head coach candidates:
1. Hue Jackson (I prefer he stays)
2. Gruden (He should always be at the top of our lists)
3. Bill Cowher
4. Jeff Fisher
Defensive coordinator candidates:
1. Winston Moss (3-4)
2. Steve Spagnuolo (4-3)
3. Mike Singletary (WE NEED A YELLER!)
4. Dennis Thurman (3-4)
5. John Marshall (4-3)
6. Jack Del Rio (4-3)
7. Mike Nolan (3-4)
FA’s
1. Cut Boller
2. Re-Sign Branch
3. Decide RB situation:
3A. Keep DMC, Sign Hillis on the cheap
3B. Keep DMC, Re-Sign Bush
3C. Trade DMC, Resign Bush
3D. Trade DMC, Sign Hillis on the cheap
4. Switch to 3-4 or trade Rolando to a 3-4 team that can use him to his abilities
5. Get Namdi back. Trade McFadden for Namdi and McCoy if we have to.
6. Convince JC to stay as a backup.
7. Sign any top LB’s or DE’s that are available
8. Replace Henderson with someone of the same body type but younger and healthier.
Draft
Pick nothing but linebackers and offensive lineman.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 am
Reading the press conf. I am convinced Hue is the man for the job. I love the attitude, no mumbling like Norv, or empty verse like Art Shell, just they way things are.
You can tell he is pissed with Bresh & the D unit. You can also tell he feels those come from behind losses were the teams fault, not just the D.
Get a real DC in here. Revamp the D’s scheme and personnel. Change Mclain’s attitude.
Let Palmer work the young O all offseason.
We going to the playoffs next year. Truth.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
HueJax went 8-8 and was “obviously pissed off” about it, Basic Cable went 8-8 and was screaming hip hip horray talking about “well we’re not losers anymore” and it took Cable his 3rd year to get 8 wins,, but the kleenex crew as my man LA says will never be satisfied with anything anyway.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 am
Here I said this last night. I am six time Exec of the Year Bill Polian who was just let go yesterday by an idiotic and drunken Robert Irsay who was emotional after the season. I bring in Hue Jackson and ask him one question and one question only “why do you deserve to stay on as HC of the Raiders?”
Someone give me a decent answer.
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Because I was one game away from the playoffs. My defense gave up 3 4th quarter leads. My starting qb went down. The best RB in the league went down, and my WR’s were never really healthy save DHB. My owner died and I had to accept GM repsonsibilities, and all this during my rookie campaign. Let me hire my own DC and scheme the way I see fit and we WILL be AFC West champs in 2012. I’ll bet my job on it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 am
If this doesn’t say it all, I don’t know what does..
You wanna bash Hue for this, that, and the other thing? Fine…but he laid it on the line here for everyone to see. Probably the most truthful statement I have ever seen from a coach…
“Is there a time you can look at and say this was the signature moment that dictated who you really were?
“Well, if you go back to Buffalo game, because when you’re winning 21-3 and the other team comes back and beat you, that’s who we really were. And that’s who we were all year, and that’s very disappointing to tell you that, but that’s the truth.”
And if that wasn’t the nail in the coffin for Bresh…this is the second bullet to the back of the dome…
“We went from a defense that was 11th a year ago to 29th. ”
Bresh is done, the Defense cost us our season..and the DC doesn’t survive such an obvious weakness.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 am
but the kleenex crew as my man LA says will never be satisfied with anything anyway.
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I’ll be satisfied with a Lombardi Trophy.
You know who else felt the same way? Al Davis.
Raiders fans, if they claim to admire Al, should be demanding greatness not making excuses for 8-8.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 am
5. Get Namdi back. Trade McFadden for Namdi and McCoy if we have to.
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Hahahahahah
YOU really think the Eagles would take DMAC for Nnamdi AND McCoy??? That is ridiculous and therefore your whole post loses credibility.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:26 am
Great post MikeyG. Nailed it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
The more I read about the Packers football operations the more I want Reggie McKenzie and Eliot Wolf to come to the Raiders.
Both these guys are tremendous judges of football talent.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed, I’ll even throw Hue under the bus to get them.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Let’s look on the bright side, fellas….that Chargers victory yesterday apparently has SD’s owner considering retaining Norvel. That is not to be regretted.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am
I bring in Hue Jackson and ask him one question and one question only “why do you deserve to stay on as HC of the Raiders?”
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Rookie HC season and:
1) Best Dline player goes down (Matt Shaugh)
2) GM passes away with no replacement
3) QB goes down for the year
4) Best O player goes down for the year (Dmac)
5) 50% of WR crew injured all season
6) A UFL level coach manages the D, that ranked 29th and gave up 4th quarter points like crazy.
Yet, we still played for the division on the last game and managed to win 8….
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am
Twocents Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 am
The more I read about the Packers football operations the more I want Reggie McKenzie and Eliot Wolf to come to the Raiders.
Both these guys are tremendous judges of football talent.
I’m keeping my fingers crossed, I’ll even throw Hue under the bus to get them.
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Pretty much this, exactly.
McKenzie, Wolf, DeCosta would be my 3 man short list. McCloughan would be acceptable.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am
923.SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:01 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everything ultimately falls in the lap of the HC, right wrong or indifferent.
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I don’t understand why this concept is so difficult for people to grasp.
The head general of an army takes the blame for a lost battle, even if he had a good plan that was fumbled by incompetent subordinates.
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THIS IS THE RAIDERS!!! DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS IN CHARGE LAST YEAR?
The team is filled with ex-raiders and guys that were here before Hue. Take a breath and pause before puking some more!
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 am
Andy doesnt use McCoy
Philly regrets signing Nnamdi.
DMC has all the flash and awe that Vick does. A good GM could swindle the deal. Hell, throw RoMac into the deal with DMC if you have too.
I guarantee we’d get more production out of Nnamdi than we would with a constantly injured DMC and McClain.
Want to talk about losing credibility? Read the posts by all the jackoffs who wish Al Davis was still around. You know, the guy who didnt even make an offer to our defense’s best player and fired our D coordinator that had us near the top 10 in D.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:36 am
McCoy was 2nd leading rusher and scored 20 TD’s. I’d say he got some use. Agree with the fools that wish Al was still around tho.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
954,,HueJax didn’t make excuses, he pointed out exactly what the problem was and spoke on it,, but everyone calls that throwing people under the bus. Hell,,the defense deserved to get thrown under the bus,,,they shouldve been thrown off a bridge.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
Ideally we would trade away Romac, Routt, and Kelly…open up some cap space for real Pro’s…yet I dont think anybody will be willing to take the cap space of those 2nd stringers.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 am
And no GM in the league is gonna trade a guy like McCoy with no injury history for a guy like DMAC and the best man to man corner in the league. Doesnt happen except in Madden. Sorry.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:38 am
“My owner died and I had to accept GM repsonsibilities, and all this during my rookie campaign.”
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LMFAO! There was no “had to accept” about it. He wanted that responsibility. He’s even stated since the season ended: “I’m going take a stronger hand in this whole team, this whole organization.”
Does that sound like someone who has to do something? No, it sounds like a guy who wants to do something. He’s an egomaniac. Egomaniacs love power.
He has not proven that he should have that much responsibility. All he’s proven is that he’s a shoddy playcaller who can’t get his team motivated and prepared every week. And bringing in Chuck was partly his fault.
A GM needs to come in and pull a really tight leash on that fool. It should be so tight it feels like a fkn noose about to choke him to death. The GM will tell him what direction they’re going and he’ll live with it or get the fk out of dodge.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am
965
Not RoMac who is only 22 but please please please trade or cut Tommy Kelley and Routt.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am
The Broncos got into the playoffs by losing their last 3 games. This team can’t allow that kind of thing to happen in the division. If Chuck B is still here next year, you can expect some more of the same. This defense is pathetic and played with such little discipline when it counted the most. Routt couldn’t cover his own azz in the open field, let alone any decent recievers. I gave him a pass early, but I am back to my old thinking that he is a revolving door to the end zone who accidentally makes a good play now and then. He’s terrible and hes making huge money for stinking up the defensive backfield. Is this a coaching issue? I’m sure we will find out next season because I truly expect Bres to be fired.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 am
McCoy > Dmac…sorry fellas, I’ll take the production on the field over the promise on the sidelines…
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Carl Weathers Says:
DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS IN CHARGE LAST YEAR?
The team is filled with ex-raiders and guys that were here before Hue.
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Don’t forget who hired Hue.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Mark Davis’ list of priorities:
1)Fire Chuck B
2)Hire a GM that is willing to give Hue his say and vision for the roster, hopefully they can work together
3)Evaluate all assistants and players
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 am
Not to mention McCoy’s 2011 salary was 480K, and goes up to 620K next year.
That is about 10% of what we pay McFadden.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Bres will be fired, cmon, even Matt Millen would fire his ax.
Really looking forward to the personnel changes on D. The unit is filled with Scholarship players, projects really, that do not produce on the field.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
1) Hue Jackson is a grown-azz man and should not be in need of Al Davis to hold his hand. Besides, wouldn’t you think being free of a notoriously hands on owner who wanted things done just so would free a talented head coach’s hands and let him show everyone what he can do?
Dumb azz comment. Being grown has nothing to do with running a football team in the NFL. He is a first year head coach and had to wear many different hats. That was a learning curve for him.
2) He then promptly traded for another starting QB who filled in pretty damn good once he got the feel for the playbook and the offense.
For a guy that was on the coach and had to jump in a learn on the fly. That may have cost him the first KC and Denver game. No Off season, what team has dome that?? Not to mentions there were games when 2 or more WR were injured.
3) Yes, losing DMac was a hard blow. However, good teams overcome injuries. A lot of that is due to coaching. And hey, if he didn’t have a backup plan for a McFadden injury, then he’s frankly an idiot. He should know you can’t count on DMac fo ra full season.
Go ahead and name a team that lost there best running back and still has explosive on offense with a new QB that has had no off season. Maybe that back up plan was to had a decent defense…
4) Good head coaches should be familiar with both sides of the ball. You’re painting Hue Jackson as a lost child when it comes to defense, which is half the game. If you’re right, do you want a guy like that running the team?
I did not say that he was lost on D. To be a good OC, you have to have an understanding of d also. To expect him to call D and O is stupid. No head coach has ever done that. You also have no idea of possible battles between Chuck and Hue. Maybe Hue asked for Chuck to be stripped of his duty and either Al or Mark said no.
Hue made mistakes, but just like a rookie FB player, you don’t cut/fire after 1 year with a season full of obstacles.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:43 am
Nobody in their right mind would trade for Routt and his ridiculous salary. Now we will also get nothing for Bush when he walks, nothing for Campbell when he walks, and we will have a lot of areas that need attention on defense and few draft picks or trade-worthy players of any value to do much about it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:32 am
Let’s look on the bright side, fellas….that Chargers victory yesterday apparently has SD’s owner considering retaining Norvel. That is not to be regretted.
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Remember when Chris Berman used to refer to Wayne Fontes as “Rasputin,” because every year you thought he was a goner but he just kept hanging on and coming back year after year. Norv is the new Rasputin, only he takes it to a whole new level.
How this guy has managed to get three NFL head coaching jobs and managed to hang on for about 15 years is something that should be studied by smart people wearing white coats in a room filled with Bunson Burners and microscopes.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Mark Davis’ list of priorities:
1)Fire Chuck B
2)Hire a GM that is willing to give Hue his say and vision for the roster, hopefully they can work together
3)Evaluate all assistants and players
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Agree, except on 2). Hire the best damned young GM you can find, if Hue can’t live with him, then fire Hue, the GM postion is more important than the HC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
Post 972,,,perfectly said, although alot of posters wont see it that way for some reason.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 am
HuegePileOfCrap Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:41 am
Carl Weathers Says:
DO YOU REMEMBER WHO WAS IN CHARGE LAST YEAR?
The team is filled with ex-raiders and guys that were here before Hue.
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Don’t forget who hired Hue.
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So because Al hired Hue, Hue should be responsible for the other coaching failures?
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
Agree, except on 2). Hire the best damned young GM you can find, if Hue can’t live with him, then fire Hue, the GM postion is more important than the HC.
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Dam straight.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 am
I think Hue should get another year to correct his mitakes. Just like any rookie, ya’ll say give him time. One more year with a revamped D, then evaluate him. How do you get better changing coaches and playbooks every year? What coach out there is going to take us to the playoffs? You have to have a plan if you’re gonna fire him.
Fisher is no better than 8-8
Cowher shot down the Mia job and stated he’s happy with his job.
That only leaves Gruden as of now.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Mistakes*
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
At least with Al gone, there exists the possibility that something might be done correctly concerning the defense next year. Before you just knew that it would be more of the same. Would Routt have his contract if Al had passed a year sooner? No effing way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Agree, except on 2). Hire the best damned young GM you can find, if Hue can’t live with him, then fire Hue, the GM postion is more important than the HC.
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Agreed, that’s why I say Hopefully. I back Hue but if a new GM differs, I’ll back him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:50 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 am
Mark Davis’ list of priorities:
1)Fire Chuck B
2)Hire a GM that is willing to give Hue his say and vision for the roster, hopefully they can work together
3)Evaluate all assistants and players
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Agree, except on 2). Hire the best damned young GM you can find, if Hue can’t live with him, then fire Hue, the GM postion is more important than the HC.
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Couldn’t disagree more.
GM is important, but the most important person on a football team is the starting QB, second is the head coach. Hands down in my opinion.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 am
GM is important, but the most important person on a football team is the starting QB, second is the head coach. Hands down in my opinion.
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The GM is the one who hires those two, thus he is the most important to a football franchise.
But yes, QB and HC are most important to the “team”, and GM is most important to the organization.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:52 am
The GM is more important than any coach. The GM is the one whose job it is to ensure the success of the team even if certain coaches or players leave.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am
Look at the Colts.
Yes Peyton was the key to that franchise, but if the GM takes Ryan Leaf over Peyton, there is no Peyton to begin with.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:56 am
What’s up JFB? Congrats for dominating Dell’s league.
Do you like Hue’s chances of returning as Head Coach?
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
Do you like Hue’s chances of returning as Head Coach?
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50/50
Whoever the GM is, he is going to want answers from Hue on how to correct things, and it will be a de facto re-interview for his job.
If the GM likes what he hears, he will stay, if not he will go.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:57 am
You want to see some stats that will make you just plain sick to your stomach while Proving beyond a shadow of a doubt that every resource we have should be applied to the Defensive side of the ball? Shameful….shameful defense.
-Raiders 6th team since merger to allow 4000+ yds passing, 2000+ yds rushing in season since merger
-Since merger, teams with 500+ yds of offense and 1 or fewer turnovers had lost just 14 of 158 games before Raiders did it Sunday
-Raiders were 21-1 all-time when gaining 500+ yards in a game until this season, losing to NE with 504 and SD with 520
-Raiders one of 4 teams ever to allow 30+ TD passes and 5+ ypc in season (’11 TB, 1950 Colts, 1952 Dallas Texans)
‘11 Raiders D: franchise worsts in passing TDs (31), yds passing (4262), ypc (5.1) and third most points 433
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:58 am
S#!t flows downhill. That’s why the Raiders haven’t seen a playoff game in ten years. A good EXPERIENCED GM will know how to fix a lot of what ails this team in prety short order. With or without Hue Jackson. Some rookie GM will be on the same learning curve as our rookie HC and that will be our excuse for missing the playoffs next season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Did we fire Chucky?
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
If that doesn’t get you fired I don’t know what will.
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:59 am
Looks like the morning crew seems to be more objective, because last nights crew was hillarious.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
We have the opportunity to be a first class football franchise. Hire the right GM and get it moving. I just don’t see anything in Hue’s resume that makes me believe he’s capable of leading us forward.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
I’m willing to give Hue another year, if that’s what the new GM wants. We must hire a GM.
Reggie mcKenzie for GM.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:01 am
JFB, Way to stick your neck out.
HUE MUST GO.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
I doubt that Hue is getting the axe.
I expect him to be back.
What concerns me most about Hue is that he does not seem to learn from his mistakes.
Examples:
Would not admit he made an inexcusable mistake by not kicking the FG against the Browns, and actually said he might do the same thing again.
Repeatedly attempted, difficult to complete, lengthy passes at a time when securing a first down and running clock was of paramount importance.
Refused to acknowledge that he erred by not going for the two point conversion against Detroit when he obviously (Hue!) should have.
Flashback to the final moments of the Detroit game. DHB drops a Palmer pass that would have put the Raids in FG position – problem is had DHB caught the ball, the clock would have almost certainly run out before the FG could have been attempted. Almost the same exact mistake is repeated at the end of the first half vs. SD.
Hue made a slew of tactical blunders this year. What compounds matters is that he repeated some of these blunders, or refused to acknowledge that they were blunders.
Can’t have that, Hue.
Hue had some nice moments, especially with his mostly successful calls for fake FGs and punts. He’s always shown the proper respect and reverence for Al Davis and the past greatness of the Raiders.
Add in the ‘continuity’ factor and I think Hue has done just enough to retain his job for another year. He should have a voice in personnel matters, but the final word on the draft and free agency should come from a newly appointed GM.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
JFB, Way to stick your neck out.
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LOL, I think he should go, but I will back the GM’s decision either way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
We need to offer Del-Rio or Spags a contract TODAY!!!!!
We are going to wait forever to hire a GM, and neither of those guys are going to be available to be our DC…Can you imagine Spags reunited with Waufle?
Our Defense would instantly be back in the top 15…
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:03 am
GM candidates:
Reggie McKenzie
Scot McCloughan
Tom Gamble
Elliot Wolf
Eric DeCosta (unlikely to leave the Ravens)
Head coach candidates:
Hue Jackson (obviously…)
Jeff Fisher
Gregg Williams (would be very interested to see this one)
Mike Zimmer (another I would love to see)
3-4 defensive coordinator candidates:
Dennis Thurman
Winston Moss
Kevin Greene
Mike Nolan
Dean Pees
4-3 defensive coordinator candidates:
Steve Spagnuolo
Jack Del Rio
Dean Pees
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:04 am
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
I doubt that Hue is getting the axe.
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He is not going to fire himself. Hue is calling the shots right now, and will have a hand in hiring his boss for chrissakes.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am
McKenzie for GM, Eliot Wolf for Director of Player Personnel. Go Packers!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 am
1- Al hired Chucky
2- Chucky cost us 3-5 games.
3- our GM/ owner passed away this season.
4- we lost our starting QB mid season.
5- we lost a lot of players due to injury including our best player.
Facts and not excuses.
I’m willing to give Hue another year with GM help and a new DC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:07 am
I think Twocent is way over charging for his opinion.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am
I miss AD.
RIP Mr. Davis.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 am
Oh, and have them bring Flynn (QB) with them.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:09 am
Matt Flynn = Kevin Kolb 2.0
Someone is going to get burned badly by Flynn massively overpaying him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:12 am
Hue Jackson will not be fired. Firing coaches before allowing them a chance to succeed ws Daddy Davis’ mistake, and unless Mark Davis is a clone of the old man, common logic allows Hue more than one season as HC with the worst DC in football before getting the axe. The most likely scenario is this: A GM will be named and will keep Hue Jackson next season. Bresnahan will be replaced by a strong defensive DC from the new GMs camp who will probably immediately begin being groomed as Hue’s replacement and eventually the Al Davis influence will be remembered and revered, but purged from the active mindset and direction of this team.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
When did Flynn become a good QB. Is this based because he had one good game?!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Morning/afternoon peoples.
Happy new year to everyone.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
There are a number of teams making GM moves as we speak. They’re doing it quickly so they can hit the ground running with coaching hires, draft preparations, and off-season acquisitions. Hopefully we get the men we want and quickly. So the GM can assess the coaching staff, make changes, and begin the process of sifting thru the roster.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 am
1010 exactly,, he’ll be Miamis new Qb come next season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
Flynn is a good QB because Reggie McKenzie picked him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
I keep waiting for Chuck B to be fired . It needs to be today ASAP !
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 am
I think hue Jackson was certainly an upgrade from cable, and if al was still around I would be advocating for hue’s return as hc. Not because he is a great hc, but just because I wouldn’t believe we could do better.
But now that al is gone we finally have an opportunity to hire a qualified gm who can hire a coaching staff that is on the same page philosophically as the gm and together they can put in place a plan to get the right players for that system. If hue is that guy then great, but to think hue should be guaranteed anything or have any say whatsoever in who becomes gm is ludicrous. He has done nothing to earn that type of power.
The issue I see is that it is clear that hue believes he has somehow earned that right and I don’t see him happily accepting a gm who has control over him. U have to be blind and stupid not to see that Jackson is power hungry and ego driven. So unless we hire a patsy gm who answers to hue then I see it ending badly. And letting hue have the power he desires would also be a mistake.
Mark, hire a strong gm and let him clean house. Jackson has not earned the right to make you give him that authority. If the new gm likes hue and hue is able to check his ego and just go back to coaching then so be it.
Now is the time to get this organization out of the dark ages, so don’t let some arrogant hc stand in the way of that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
1007.
LMFAO
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 am
Now I have to listen to SD radio talk about how great the Chargers will be next year and how they knocked us out of the playoffs ! I want to shank CHuck B right now and all those losers on defense!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am
I can’t wait until Sunday. The O is gonna be rockin. I think if we can get pressure up the middle on Ben and if Palmer can limit his picks to under three….Oh wait…Sorry, I meant NEXT YEAR.
Thanks Hue. I thought you was gonna build a BULLY not a PU$$Y.
FIRE HUE TODAY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:13 am
Morning/afternoon peoples.
Happy new year to everyone.
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Well fk u guys 2 this beautiful foggy morning in the O-a-k.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:22 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 am
I can’t wait until Sunday. The O is gonna be rockin. I think if we can get pressure up the middle on Ben and if Palmer can limit his picks to under three….Oh wait…Sorry, I meant NEXT YEAR.
Thanks Hue. I thought you was gonna build a BULLY not a PU$$Y.
FIRE HUE TODAY.
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Hue’s offense was plenty bully. Al’s (chuckies after Al died) Defense was a bunch of egg laying pansies. Blind man.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am
I agree. This offense was not what was holding back this team all season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dejavu,
I would like to believe hue can learn from his mistakes, but the evidence is to the contrary. Hue nearly cost us the texans game by not kicking the fg and leaving points on the field and he should have learned a lesson from that, but he didn’t and he then cost us the game and a playoff appearance by not kicking a fg in the lions game. HUD is either to stubborn or too stupid to learn from his mistakes.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:24 am
Just as long as we steer clear of Jerry Angelo I will be fine with whoever we hire…
We need to get to work on this NOW though, the good people are going to be snapped up quick, and the rest are just going to be low hanging fruit..
We need to get the cream of the crop.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
You guys watch the end of year presser? He nailed everything
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LA,
wasn’t your boy BCZ just telling us not to pay attention to what Hue says in the press confs? take it with a grain of salt because its expected to be bs from any hc?
thats the problem. Hue says all the right things and does NOTHING to fix it. Sure he wants to win, he just doesn’t know how. Why was Al Davis the only guy to give him a HC job offer? Why was Al Davis the only guy who wanted to keep him around after seeing what he’s capable of? Do you know Al’s recent success rate with coaches? Shoot, look at the overall success rate (Kell should have those figures handy)!
Hue remains clueless & unqualified. we deserve better
He’s a greasy politician that says what you want to hear, but never delivers on those promises.
If you want to keep Hue around as HC, you might as well hire Matt Millen as GM and keep Chuck B around as DC because the Raiders will remain inept under his guidance!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:26 am
So now rookie head coaches get a 1 year trial?.
Even if they lose their starting QB and best player for the last 9 games, plus some important players (Ford, Moore) for key games…and still get the team to play for the division title and a playoff spot?.
And those are not excuses…people who say everyone has injuries are right but you know what?…we DID overcame those injuries to contend right into the final week.
What happens if we bring Cowher, Fisher or some other guy and he goes 8-8 next year, you gonna fire him too.?
No, because they have a track record…well, let Hue build his own before your judgement…those guys had to grow into the role too.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:27 am
I’m still a little iffy on Hue.
Never got to see CP and DMAC in a game together.
Hue was forced to play the whole season w/ a lame azz DC.
With that being said, I’ll leave it up the new GM to see if he gets canned. Wouldn’t be surprised though. Dude fked up plenty of times.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:28 am
Hue’s offense was horrible in the RED zone and late in games with the lead. You know, CRUNCH TIME.
The DEFENSE was nonexistent but that doesn’t mean the offense was acceptable.
The Raiders were poorly coached on both sides of the ball.
CLEAN HOUSE.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:29 am
How many games in next year does DMAC play before getting hurt again ? I say 7 games at best … Chaz has more toughness than DMAC right now !
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Marley, I dig your positive attitude but you were wrong about Hue having this team moving in the right direction.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Tom Cable = Hue Jackson
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:31 am
Bob,
Do you think hue deserves to either hire his own hand picked gm or continue those duties himself? Did his 1-4 finish earn him that right? And if not, do you believe hue will be willing to work with a gm that he did not hire and who has power over him?
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
If Hue isn’t retained by the new GM, I hope Al Saunders remains the OC. Raiders need continuity on offense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
who is willing to go to war with Hue?
we know Saunders & Bresnahan are fine with it.
Most of the asst coaches outside of Rod Woodson & Bob Wylie were brought in by either Kiffin or Cable, right?
if Hue wants to interview for the job, fine. assemble your “would be” staff and proposed plan. show us what roster moves should be made.
Compare that to a few other guys and weigh the options.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:34 am
Thanks Bob Marley! Well said.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Hue’s red zone play calling was horrible all season long. Why wait till the last game of the season to finally use Boss in the red zone? (real head scratcher)
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Hey, why don’t we ask Steve Cork if he thinks Hue deserves another year ?
After all, Steve assured us that SD was going to lay down, DHB was the 6th best receiver on the team, and Kevin Boss could be traded for a 2nd round pick.
Need more of that Corkran insight.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:35 am
Hue deserves minimal input on the GM situation. Mainly in the form of Mark Davis and Amy Trask asking Hue “What do you think of _______?” and then going forward with their own, independent decision-making process. At the absolute most, Hue should be able to meet with the candidates and discuss their respective visions for the team – but the final decision needs to be on Davis and Trask. And they need to do what’s right for the organization, not just one coach.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:37 am
Hue thinks throwing to the TE is a trick play.
Hue prefers double reverses three times a game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Hue needs to stick to coaching his offense and not worry about the other things. After Mr.Davis died it all went in the sh!tter because he was trying to do everything … GM / HC is not a good thing …
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
1036, well said RR. We may still hire you at BOO.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Do we have to wait for the packers to be eliminated before talking to their guys about the gm spot? Most coaching staffs are already assembled by the time the an arrives. Might have to look in a different direction if we can’t get those packers in house before they are done with the playoffs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
1035.YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:32 am
If Hue isn’t retained by the new GM, I hope Al Saunders remains the OC. Raiders need continuity on offense.
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I second this move.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:39 am
Atleast SD will keep Norv and AGAY Smith ….But are we stcuk with Chuck B again ? Why has this mofo not been fired yet?
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hue is and will be the head coach. He has a solid good offensive mind, NOT GREAT, but good and he has a relationship with our top $$$dollar franchise QB, so if you think any GM or owner would ignore the investment on the Palmer trade and coach relationship your lost. Hue and Palmer both stepped in dog crap together and they will have their chance to step out of it.
Buffalo, Denver, SD, Lions are 4 more wins if we had a competent D-coordinator.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:41 am
1044.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:38 am
Do we have to wait for the packers to be eliminated before talking to their guys about the gm spot? Most coaching staffs are already assembled by the time the an arrives. Might have to look in a different direction if we can’t get those packers in house before they are done with the playoffs.
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We can talk with anyone from a team that has a bye this week.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:42 am
I hear some of your points about the GM being more important than the coach.
I guess the way I look at it is it’s a hell of a lot harder to be the head coach and to land a good head coach than it is to be the general manager. I honestly believe many of the diehards on this blog would be capable, with a couple years training, to step in and handle the player personnel side of being a GM. Evaluate talent, roll the dice in the draft, delegate authority to coaches, lawyers, salary cap experts, etc.
To be the head coach and deal with the complexities of today’s Xs and Os, make in-game adjustments, make good play calls, teach your players, be a motivational speaker, be a politician, stand there and take the heat from media and fans when you lose a game, keep everyone’s heads from getting to big when you win a game, etc., etc., etc.
I just think it’s a much tougher job to be head coach in the NFL and that’s why I put more value and importance in the coach than the GM.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
We wtf is wrong with you raider nation calling for hues head, would cable of been 8-8 last yr w/out hue as offensive coordinator, doubt it. Do you think we would of won at least 3 more games with Marshall, especially without ad limiting his play calls, everybody was better last yr on d, so it is definitely the dc our biggest cancer. Bring a gm by Fri. And get del rio as new dc. We got da playaz.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
raiderinparadise Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hue is and will be the head coach. He has a solid good offensive mind, NOT GREAT, but good and he has a relationship with our top $$$dollar franchise QB, so if you think any GM or owner would ignore the investment on the Palmer trade and coach relationship your lost. Hue and Palmer both stepped in dog crap together and they will have their chance to step out of it.
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This is why I think the new GM, whoever that may be, will give Hue another season.
Plus it’s not like the GM will have a whole lot of money to work with, or top draft picks to invest in a franchise player.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
1025,
Dakota,
I always wondered about that. He did not learn from his mistakes, and why got for it when you can kick a field goal. It was the first quarter!?!?!?I
مجنون
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
well said RR. We may still hire you at BOO
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Raider O! Happy New Year!
when did u get released from blog prison ???
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:44 am
Go for it*
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:45 am
I honestly believe many of the diehards on this blog would be capable, with a couple years training, to step in and handle the player personnel side of being a GM. Evaluate talent, roll the dice in the draft, delegate authority to coaches, lawyers, salary cap experts, etc.
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SEMI-PROS, BABY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:46 am
My biggest problem with Hue this season was letting McClain play after his arrest. That pissed me off.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:47 am
RR,
Happy New Year to you and yours.
I’m still in Blog Prison LOL, but I got a new phone and I’m using that to post.
I still can’t post from my network.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
I’m with Bob Marley.
This fire Hue talk is insane.
Keep Hue. Upgrade bigtime at DC (Mike Nolan would probably be my top choice). Keep key players relatively healthy (14+ games for Palmer, 12+ for DMac) and we will be a 12-win team next year with Hue Jackson as head coach. Book it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
#1049 sorry but that’s your second bad post today. if you think being a GM is such a piece of cake. some have it, some don’t. even former great HCs or players dont translate to great GMs. People like Al in his prime, they dont fall from trees.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:49 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:43 am
raiderinparadise Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hue is and will be the head coach. He has a solid good offensive mind, NOT GREAT, but good and he has a relationship with our top $$$dollar franchise QB, so if you think any GM or owner would ignore the investment on the Palmer trade and coach relationship your lost. Hue and Palmer both stepped in dog crap together and they will have their chance to step out of it.
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This is why I think the new GM, whoever that may be, will give Hue another season.
Plus it’s not like the GM will have a whole lot of money to work with, or top draft picks to invest in a franchise player.
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thanks.
exactly what head coach will want to take OAK job anyways? New front office coping with loss of operator AL. No draft picks next year. Overpaid players. Cant get a QB in free agency. Stuck with palmer for 3 more years.
This is Hue’s job next year with a GM of whom will groom decisons with Hue and the organization to create a better coaching staff. Al hired a bunch of x-players as coaches ALWAYS. well thats not good enough.
Get REAL coaches not players who are trying to coach.
Hue and Al Saunders are good coaches. Wylie too. Wiz too.
The rest can be swept away.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:52 am
Carl w,
Thanks for that info. That is great news. John Clayton said yesterday that it could take a month for the raiders to hire a gm. I hope he was wrong about that. I thought al was gone, so I hope we can get things done on reasonable time frames like other teams.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
I love Nolan as a DC. Did he get the can 2?
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room.
Maybe it started with the Palmer trade and a core group of players that were more loyal to Campbell than to Hue. I know that the key losses can all be placed firmly at the feet of the defense, but I don’t get the feeling that the entire team was willing to go to the wall for Hue. Maybe his personality is just to duplicitous to inspire that kind of loyalty and commitment. I believe I may have drank to much of the koolaid again.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
new post !!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
IF the Raiders hired a new head coach, it would probably be a defensive-minded one. He’d already have an established QB and OC, and wouldn’t have to worry so much about that side of the ball. He could focus on working with the GM to rebuild the defense.
Personally, I think Gregg Williams and Mike Zimmer would be interesting choices along those lines. But I still think a new GM will keep Hue for at least another season, barring a huge clash of personalities and philosophies.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
#1049 sorry but that’s your second bad post today. if you think being a GM is such a piece of cake. some have it, some don’t. even former great HCs or players dont translate to great GMs. People like Al in his prime, they dont fall from trees.
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I know it sounds crazy, but it takes an eye for talent, an understanding of people and, let’s be honest, a lot of luck. The skills are a little different than those of a head coach and maybe that’s why some former HCs have struggled at it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
players CUT (easy first wave)
BOLLER
COOPER CARLISLE
HUFF
TREVOR SCOTT
TJ HOUZ
Chris Johnson
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January 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
Dejavu,
I would like to believe hue can learn from his mistakes, but the evidence is to the contrary. Hue nearly cost us the texans game by not kicking the fg and leaving points on the field and he should have learned a lesson from that, but he didn’t and he then cost us the game and a playoff appearance by not kicking a fg in the lions game. HUD is either to stubborn or too stupid to learn from his mistakes.
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I think Hue is in over his head with all the things that happened this year. He is stubborn, but he must learn from it or he won’t be a HC again. I think he needs to be put in his place as HC and needs some pressure put on him from Mark and a new GM. Hue answers to them, not the other way around. Get a solid GM, instill discipline and let Hue know what you expect of him. If Hue continues on this power trip, then show him the door. Hue has no discipline or anyone to answer to as of now, and that’s a problem. Starts with setting standards with Hue and let it trinkle on down.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 am
What are all you hu Jack haters going to be saying next year this time when we are afc champs. Our offence will be top 5 and d top 10, with Carson bomber leading the way. This year had way to many obstacles .
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:58 am
Dakota.
I think that if Hue gets to pick his GM he would go with an executive-cap type of guy to handle those issues and he would keep control of football operations and probably hire some scouts or personnel guy with a low profile, so he would pretty much make his leash much shorter because everything would be on him.
That’s fine with me, we let him make the move for Palmer so now the whole team is tied to his success, at least for the next 2 years with Carson at the helm.
So, like Chris in NY said earlier, we have to double down on Hue now.
We can’t clean house and start over, the roster is full of young players under contract and Hue is probably the best guy to coach Palmer.
We are closer to the playoffs than we’ve been in 8 years, starting over would take a couple of years at least and with no guarantee of success.
Right now, the playoffs are closer with Hue than without him, so let’s roll with the guy, at least he has some balls.
And a new GM might fail too, it’s not like a magic cure you know, it’s a gamble either way but I like most of what I’ve seen from Hue, so keep him and let him try it his way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 am
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hypocrisy : an all too large segment of the human condition wherein one feigns to be other or better than one is.
hippocrisy : an internet advent wherein any creature may deceive by pretending to be of consequence with exhibits of grand proclamations amid huge crap-flinging.
(see also hypercritical : “No one is perfect except Thee and me. And I’m not so sure about Thee.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Our offense was middle of the pack…. If we can just get the Defense turned around we’ll start seeing some sucess …offense can’t function with a defense that can’t get 1 fricking stop…..
It’s problably gonna be after the Superbowl when we hire a GM and I hope his focus is on helping find a good defensive coach…..everytime I had the feeling Palmer was about to mount a comeback last Sunday the Defense would give up a TD……
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
I agree with Carl. Hue botched the McClain situation as well as the Jason Campbell situation. The guy is just not a leader of men. The players saw how fast Campbell went from team leader and Hue’s “guy” to EXPENDABLE. You can’t preach family and brotherhood then cap your team leader because he broke his collar bone, and not expect a little fallout from the guys that are close with Campbell. That move had to be handled delicately to insure not losing the team and above all it had to work. A veteran Head Coach would have known that.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
Hue is coming back. Get over it.
I want Singletary as DC! the dude is crazy tough! plus his resume has Baltimore and SF, 2 top defenses with great LB play.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am
This team was not built to win in December we were way too soft on both lines. We would have won more games this year with Tom Cable. We got away from taking what we wanted and started throwing way too much and using way too many formations. This is all Hue’s fault, he didn’t build a bully. If he had we would have won more than one game in December. December football takes a bully to win. Manhandled by Miami, Green Bay, and San Diego 3 of the last 4 weeks, leaves a huge whole in my stomach. December football is simple: run and stop the run, when we can do that we will return to the play-offs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
It was a weird season. The offense was up and down and the defense was mostly down, but had some good games.
When Campbell was healthy, it seemed to be more of a ball control offense with less down the field shots. This may have helped by keeping the defense off of the field. I wonder if the TOP was higher with Campbell or Palmer?
Injuries hurt the team because the Raiders lack depth.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
We started wining division games because of Hue.
We were in position to win the AFC West because of Hue
Dmac and DhB started playing better because of Hue.
The draft pick we lost to The Bungles which is the 17th pick was worth it for Carson, because of Hue. Name me the last 17th pick overall that is any good?
The D sucked because of AL.
We lead the league in penalties for like every decade because of AL.
We can NOW attract a good GM and D coordinator because AL has passed.
Again,
Give Hue a “Regular” offseason with a GM, Carson to be used to his Receivers. Fix that crap hole of a defense with a better coach and scheme. Unload a few of the big salary players that sucked.
We win our crappy division in week 14 next year.
Continuity with the offense is crucial. Take away personnel responsibilities from Hue, we will be FiNE!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
With JC or if we stayed with Kyle, with that crap Defense no way JC goes 8-8, maybe 6-10.
Besides no offseason, Carson had only 2 games where Bush ran for 100 yards. No running game from Chicago to SD last week.
Defense screwed us over. The clock management issues did not cost us any games, The DEFENSE did: Buffalo, Denver, Detroit, and SD.
Get over it emotional people. Do any of you remember what it was like before HueJax was brought in last year?
7 years of 11 losses or more? You guys are freakin’ morons are you forget quickly!
In HuE we trust!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
TO: 303Raider Post #1077
17th overall pick in past drafts:
Sebastian Janokowski
Emmitt Smith
Jarvis Moss
Tyrone Wheatley
Mike Iupati
Nate Solder
Got any other bright ideas you wish to convey, genius??
You think a over-the-hill QB, who will never be better than he was this season was worth a 17th overall pick?
Out of your mind.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:02 am
I doubt that Hue is getting the axe.
I expect him to be back.
What concerns me most about Hue is that he does not seem to learn from his mistakes.
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at least not during his first year but after a full offseason of self analysis, I expect Hue to improve upon his weaknesses.
“I’m growing just like everybody else. It’s unfortunate that some things happened, but I can get better, too. I’m not taking myself off the hook by no stretch of imagination. I need to get better…I’m going to have to make some adjustments, too. Again, you go through the first year and find out what was good and what wasn’t good. And so we’ll continue to make those adjustments as we move forward and get this thing better.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
12 coaching changes since ‘83. Championship franchises don’t build their program by changing leadership every 2.3 years.
I wish Hue much success for many years to come.
2011
8-8, week 17 missed playoff opportunity,
small step forward but below standard
2012
Playoff bid or bust
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Name the last 10 17 picks?
Emmit Smith? So one good one in the last 20 years!
All I am saying is give him time. 17th round draft picks are a crap shoot, period. I’ll take my chances with Carson and the offseason.
We can agree to disagree
January 3rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
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January 3rd, 2012 at 6:36 pm
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