Raiders live chat today at noon
By Jon Becker
Tuesday, January 3rd, 2012 at 10:53 am in Oakland Raiders.
Where do the Raiders go from here? Check in with Steve Corkran today at noon for a live chat.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 10:54 am
Yeeeeeeeees!
NOT!
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
I love Nolan as a DC. Did he get the can 2?
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room.
Maybe it started with the Palmer trade and a core group of players that were more loyal to Campbell than to Hue. I know that the key losses can all be placed firmly at the feet of the defense, but I don’t get the feeling that the entire team was willing to go to the wall for Hue. Maybe his personality is just to duplicitous to inspire that kind of loyalty and commitment. I believe I may have drank to much of the koolaid again.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
IF the Raiders hired a new head coach, it would probably be a defensive-minded one. He’d already have an established QB and OC, and wouldn’t have to worry so much about that side of the ball. He could focus on working with the GM to rebuild the defense.
Personally, I think Gregg Williams and Mike Zimmer would be interesting choices along those lines. But I still think a new GM will keep Hue for at least another season, barring a huge clash of personalities and philosophies.
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 am
raiderinparadise Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
players CUT (easy first wave)
BOLLER
COOPER CARLISLE
HUFF
TREVOR SCOTT
TJ HOUZ
Chris Johnson
Blackstock
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Boyd
Kelly
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:57 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room
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S-back,
could be the McClain incident or his mani/pedi articles & pictures ???
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
If I could play GM, this would be my wish list:
Dean Pees as DC
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 3rd
Trade Richard Seymour for a 4th and 5th
Trade Rolando McClain for a 4th
This will give the Raiders considerable salary cap relief (if I’m not mistaken, it would clear about $30 million from the books for 2012). They should restructure the contracts of Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, and Carson Palmer if they haven’t already.
Then they need to re-sign Tyvon Branch, Marcel Reece, Desmond Bryant, Stephon Heyer, Matt Giordano, Jon Condo, and make a competitive offer to Samson Satele.
2 – RB Doug Martin or RB Ryan Wilson
3 – CB Leonard Johnson
3 (compensatory) – OL Lucas Nix
4 – LB Nigel Bradham or LB Keenan Robinson
4 – DE Olivier Vernon or DE Jake Bequette
4 (compensatory) – OT Jeff Allen
5 – DT Marcus Forston
5 – WR Lavasier Tuinei
6 – S Harrison Smith or S George Iloka
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, in particular to help the Raiders seal the edge against the run and pressure the QB with their four-man front. So:
Sign DE Cliff Avril
Sign DT Red Bryant
Sign MLB Dan Connor
Sign WLB Manny Lawson or DeAndre Levy
Sign RB Mike Tolbert
Sign QB Shaun Hill or Chad Henne
Let go of WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh, QB Kyle Boller, OT Khalif Barnes, OG Cooper Carlisle, LB Darryl Blackstock, DE Trevor Scott, DE Mason Brodine, DT John Henderson, S Jerome Boyd, CB Bryan McCann, and CB Chris Johnson.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
#1049 sorry but that’s your second bad post today. if you think being a GM is such a piece of cake. some have it, some don’t. even former great HCs or players dont translate to great GMs. People like Al in his prime, they dont fall from trees.
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I know it sounds crazy, but it takes an eye for talent, an understanding of people and, let’s be honest, a lot of luck. The skills are a little different than those of a head coach and maybe that’s why some former HCs have struggled at it.
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That’s why you don’t pass up the opportunity to hire a GM who has a midas touch from organization to organization (polian, newsome). Or guys who have been groomed and helped build several super bowl teams (the packer guys).
Coaches can always be found and the turnover rate is extremely high.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
Here’s the season folks…….
Not exact but,
Lions game
3rd and 3 in the 4th qt. w/ about a little over 2 min left
Hue dials up a passing play 25 yards down field (when Bush was gaining positive yards on that drive)
HORRIBLE!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
hippopotamus : an enormous riverine mammmal with a big mouth and capable of dropping copious amounts of crap.
hypocrisy : an all too large segment of the human condition wherein one feigns to be other or better than one is.
hippocrisy : an internet advent wherein any creature may deceive by pretending to be of consequence with exhibits of grand proclamations amid huge crap-flinging.
(see also hypercritical : “No one is perfect except Thee and me. And I’m not so sure about Thee.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:01 am
We won’t be hiring a GM until the Packers have played their last game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am
It was Chucky and his Defense or lack of defense to be accurate.
SD
Lions ( Hue helped by going it in the 1st quarter)
Denver
Miami
Bills
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Dejavu,
I would like to believe hue can learn from his mistakes, but the evidence is to the contrary. Hue nearly cost us the texans game by not kicking the fg and leaving points on the field and he should have learned a lesson from that, but he didn’t and he then cost us the game and a playoff appearance by not kicking a fg in the lions game. HUD is either to stubborn or too stupid to learn from his mistakes.
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I think Hue is in over his head with all the things that happened this year. He is stubborn, but he must learn from it or he won’t be a HC again. I think he needs to be put in his place as HC and needs some pressure put on him from Mark and a new GM. Hue answers to them, not the other way around. Get a solid GM, instill discipline and let Hue know what you expect of him. If Hue continues on this power trip, then show him the door. Hue has no discipline or anyone to answer to as of now, and that’s a problem. Starts with setting standards with Hue and let it trinkle on down.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 am
Chris in ny
A new dc etc with hue as hc might be successful, but who makes that call? Hue the gm?
A néw gm should not be saddled with a hc they did not Hire, unless that hc earned that respect. I don’t think hue earned that right be going 8-8, even if most of the blame goes on the defense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Can someone please explain to me why we didn’t pick up Gaither again? Could of been playing RT for us.
Dude manhandled Wimbley all game long.
Wimbley got most of his sacks against a backup LT last time they played.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 am
Dakota, to answer your question from the last post:
I think that if Hue gets to pick his GM he would go with an executive-cap type of guy to handle those issues and he would keep control of football operations and probably hire some scouts or personnel guy with a low profile, so he would pretty much make his leash much shorter because everything would be on him.
That’s fine with me, we let him make the move for Palmer so now the whole team is tied to his success, at least for the next 2 years with Carson at the helm.
So, like Chris in NY said earlier, we have to double down on Hue now.
We can’t clean house and start over, the roster is full of young players under contract and Hue is probably the best guy to coach Palmer.
We are closer to the playoffs than we’ve been in 8 years, starting over would take a couple of years at least and with no guarantee of success.
Right now, the playoffs are closer with Hue than without him, so let’s roll with the guy, at least he has some balls.
And a new GM might fail too, it’s not like a magic cure you know, it’s a gamble either way but I like most of what I’ve seen from Hue, so keep him and let him try it his way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 am
The GM will meet with Hue, and only then will decide what he has earned.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:05 am
Teams may not interview assistants from another team for either a lateral move or a head coaching opportunity during the season. The lone exception to this rule comes when teams want to interview assistants for head coaching jobs while the current team is in the playoffs. As there is an urgency to hire new head coaches for some non-playoff teams, the NFL does allow teams to request permission to interview a postseason participant’s assistants during the wild card week for teams who have the bye that week. They can also request permission to do so during the first week of Super Bowl preparations as long as there is a two-week break between the conference championships and the Super Bowl. The team only has one chance to talk to the assistant coach, once permission is granted, before the coach’s team is eliminated from the playoffs.
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January 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
So………..
Since we missed the playoffs, does that mean we keep our 2nd rounder? (CP trade)
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
silverback Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room.
Maybe it started with the Palmer trade and a core group of players that were more loyal to Campbell than to Hue. I know that the key losses can all be placed firmly at the feet of the defense, but I don’t get the feeling that the entire team was willing to go to the wall for Hue. Maybe his personality is just to duplicitous to inspire that kind of loyalty and commitment. I believe I may have drank to much of the koolaid again.
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We did win three straight with Palmer. I really don’t think that has anything to do with it. If we stuck with Boller we would’ve been lucky to get to 6 wins on the season anyway.
Here’s your 1-4:
- @Miami: Just doesn’t seem to be a good matchup for us. They were peaking and were actually one of the best teams in the NFL in the second half of the year. No kidding. Major letdown game.
- @GB: They were a 15-1 team this year. Palmer made some mistakes. Running game was non-existant. D played to form.
- Det: Really should’ve won this one. The effort was there. If both teams played that exact same way 10 times Oakland probably wins at least 8. Really deserved to win that game. Late defensive letdown and one of the few things I blame Hue for this season: going for a low-percentage bomb on 3rd down when a 5-yard completion would’ve sealed the win.
- @KC: Win.
- SD: Chargers, surprisingly came with their ‘A’ game. Raiders came out fired up, but defense doesn’t force a single punt all game including when we had them pinned inside their 1 with a chance to get a stop and take the lead late in the 4th quarter.
People like to say we almost finished teh season 0-5, but really we were a handful of plays away from closing the reg season on a three-game winning streak. That’s the NFL for you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
I suppose we could interview McKenzie, have a handshake agreement, then proceed to fill out the staff with his recommendations or preferences.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 am
Take the Packers, they have had years between super bowls, but always bounced back, hired new coaching staffs, musical chairs with co-ordinators and position coaches, and come back to the playoffs, then had down times, hired new coaches, etc, back to the playoffs. The one constant thru all that is the personnel department. Continuity for continuity’s sake isn’t the idea. It’s recognizing when you have front office talent, and keeping that continuity.
Remember when Al wanted to trade Moss to the Packers for Aaron Rodgers? Al knows talent too. Even in his decrepit years. The Packers think-tank knew talent too and rejected the trade. Thing is, Al made mistakes not drafting these guys when he had the chance, and looking to hawk back underwhelming 1st rounders from other teams. He was so often a hit in the past with this, but more of a miss in his latter years.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:08 am
What are all you hu Jack haters going to be saying next year this time when we are afc champs. Our offence will be top 5 and d top 10
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Drow,
I’d have more confidence in this happening with Rob “the slob” Ryan as HC!
sad, isn’t it?
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:06 am
So………..
Since we missed the playoffs, does that mean we keep our 2nd rounder? (CP trade)
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We still give up the 2013 1st rounder if we make the AFC Championship game in 2012. The condition was if we made the AFC Championship game either 2011 or 2012 that turned the other pick into a 1st rounder.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
The HC should not pick the GM. What’s wrong with you people?!
The most Hue can hope for is having some input.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:10 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:48 am
#1049 sorry but that’s your second bad post today. if you think being a GM is such a piece of cake. some have it, some don’t. even former great HCs or players dont translate to great GMs. People like Al in his prime, they dont fall from trees.
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I know it sounds crazy, but it takes an eye for talent, an understanding of people and, let’s be honest, a lot of luck. The skills are a little different than those of a head coach and maybe that’s why some former HCs have struggled at it.
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That’s why you don’t pass up the opportunity to hire a GM who has a midas touch from organization to organization (polian, newsome). Or guys who have been groomed and helped build several super bowl teams (the packer guys).
Coaches can always be found and the turnover rate is extremely high.
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Yes coaches can always be found. The turnover rate is extremely high because good coaches are very rarely found.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
22, well said GG.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 am
Raiders came out fired up, but defense doesn’t force a single punt all game including when we had them pinned inside their 1 with a chance to get a stop and take the lead late in the 4th quarter.
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Sorry Chris, but I have to dissagree w/ this one.
Me and B@uce were at the game and the whole team looked like they were playing in the 1st game of the season.
There was so sense of urgency.
WTF happened to special teams?
As much as I love the Raiders, they don’t deserve playoffs!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 am
Hue LOST THE TEAM with the way he botched the Jason Campbell situation. Hue is not a leader of men. The players saw how fast Campbell went from team leader and Hue’s “guy” to EXPENDABLE. You can’t preach family and brotherhood then cap your team leader because he broke his collar bone and not expect a little fallout from the guys that are close with Campbell. That move had to be handled delicately to insure not losing the team and above all it had to work. A veteran Head Coach would have known that.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 am
Billy Devaney and Steve Spagnuolo.
Brian Xanders and Josh McDaniels.
Scott Pioli and Todd Haley.
Mark Dominik and Raheem Morris.
Jeff Ireland (with an assist from Tuna) and Tony Sparano.
Mike Holmgreen and Pat Shurmur (ok, it was one season but they had high hopes in Cleveland).
Not every young or hot-shot GM and their hand-picked coach is a success.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Hunter S. Thompson,
You’re on fire today, almost forgot your slogan:
FIREHUEY
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:15 am
Bob,
I agree with a lot if what you say, but the thought that allowing hue to run the team is okay with you is very disturbing for me. How can you be okay with our team being place in the hands of a guy that barely has his feet wet in the coaching arena and has zero background in play-personnel work? If the choice was between hue and al I would pick hue because al sucked, but we now have a chance to hire a qualified gm and you would be okay with just winging it with hue because he had an okay frat year?
If hue us put in complete control what is in place to stOp him from trading our entire 2013 draft class for some vet? Of course a real gm might not succeed, but I would bet on mckenzie before hue every single time.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
fyi ~ my inside info / 311 says…
hujax on the outside looking in.
he will have to make due with the new GM or walk de plank.
he’s welcome to stay, but will not have a major say in who is hired (madden and wolf and heavily influencing this).
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
I for one like the fakes, the reverses, the going for it on 4th downs (Browns game was lone exception).
I want HueJax to stay brash and keep his swagger. Don’t want some Dean Wormer type GM like Polian coming in and looking over Hue’s shoulder while he’s doing his thing.
Regarding Polian, I know he’s got a very good track record with building up the 90s Bills, mid-90s Panthers, and of course the Colts (present 2-14 team and a string of awful draft picks aside) … but I could never get behind that guy for how he pulled the plug on the Colts’ chance for a perfect season a few years ago. That was a disgrace and something Al Davis never would’ve stood for.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
I’ll leave it up to our new GM to see if Hue gets the ax.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do college teams play defense anymore?
WTF?
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Dam I hate posting from this pos phone!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Hue will stay. get over it.
The GM will key on hiring a DC, and the personnel changes on D.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am
hue gettin all pi$$y since he’s sittin at the kid’s table. “I would hope that the organization understands that I have a pretty good idea of where we need to go. Because if not, then I shouldn’t be where I’m sitting.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am
Dakota,
Get an iPhone.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
hue gettin pi$$y since he’s sittin at the kid’s table.
“I would hope that the organization understands that I have a pretty good idea of where we need to go. Because if not, then I shouldn’t be where I’m sitting.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:21 am
Ad left team for hue to control and he told Mark before he passed. Hue ain’t going no where. I love when he said that he will never feel like he did at the sd game. That sounded like a fn promise, time to change culture of losing I am on board with hue jack fk cower, Fisher.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Motorola’s are great too. I love MOTO
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
saladfingerz Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:20 am
hue gettin all pi$$y since he’s sittin at the kid’s table. “I would hope that the organization understands that I have a pretty good idea of where we need to go. Because if not, then I shouldn’t be where I’m sitting.”
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Glad you posted this. That shows Hue’s true colors. Not isolated example, there are a number of suspect quotes from him the last few days, but this is right up there.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Here’s some fule for the FireHue campaign:
Flynn just talked about McCarthy and how he has meetings with Rodgers to discuss what Aaron likes to do what he doesn’t. Down and distance play preferences, at different spots on the field. He has the whole field/downs all charted out.
Palmer is on record as saying he wished he had more face to face time with Huey.
We need to get a GM in here today, come on fvck lets get the ball rolling!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
fuel*^
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
I have no problem with Hue asking to participate on everything related to football operations, shows he cares and wants to do everything to win.
I also have no problem with the fake punts, fgs, and throwing bombs on 3rd & 1. These are the Raiders, maverick, outside the box organization. If you want offensive playcalling by the book the watch the team froom across the bay: vanilla offense with an atomic Defense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So, if the new gm is forced to keep hue, then does that mean hue gets an automatic contract extension too? Because normally players do not respond well to lame-duck coaches. You think the players looked disinterested with hue this year wait until next year lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
I would also allow Hue to run the team in 2012.
We don’t have a ton of draft picks or key free agents anyway.
Wouldn’t be opposed to bringing in a GM and I believe that’s what we’ll do. But I will take retaining Hue Jackson as head coach over hiring some new unproven GM if that were the decision.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 am
Hue will stay. get over it.
The GM will key on hiring a DC, and the personnel changes on D.
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This to me is the most probable outcome.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
DMAC….Sup? How ya been? Happy New Year. Take care.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Should be the biggest offseason we have had in over 20 years… Not having AL is gonna feel Awkward. Lets see what Mark and Amy have in for us.. Hue isnt gonna have much to say at all… But Im interested when we do get a new GM what he’s gonna do with the minimal draft picks we have.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:25 am
Dell,
Happy New Year.
Was I right about Huff moving around in the secondary?
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:26 am
Raider o, this is an iPhone! Can’t type on this pop up keyboard and auto correct blows lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
35.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
I’ll leave it up to our new GM to see if Hue gets the ax.
I AGREE, NOW LETS GET A GM!
36.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do college teams play defense anymore?
WTF?
DID YOU SEE THE BAYLOR/WASHINGTON GAME? WOW!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Goldie7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
DMAC….Sup? How ya been? Happy New Year. Take care.
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Wassup. Happy New Year to u 2.
I’m cool/upset. Trying to fight this fked up cold I got.
How u been?
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Is this the same Raider O,
Who asked daily last year for Cable’s firing (fat monkey) and smoked pot and Loved Huff and got debated by me and lost those debates and decided to switch the subject around and never said how much he was wrong and is a finance major from SDSU, sold cars (used) is this that Raider O.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
You guys can keep saying Hue isn’t going anywhere but that doesn’t make it so.
If the Raiders bring in a GM, which most people think we will, there is a better than average chance the GM will want to bring in his own guy.
Think about it.
So stick that in your arm and shoot it.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dakota.
Let’s focus on next season, a new GM won’t have many draft picks to use in 2012 or much cap room to work with, I doubt a new guy will make the team much better next season, Hue is the man for the job.
See, this is Hue’s team right now, let him try his way, he’s asking for it and he might just get it, then he has to suceed or he’ll be gone and then we can move forward and empower a new GM to run this thing.
But I would definitely give Hue another shot before we let him go and I think he’ll succeed.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:30 am
Carl Weathers Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
35.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 am
I’ll leave it up to our new GM to see if Hue gets the ax.
I AGREE, NOW LETS GET A GM!
36.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:18 am
Do college teams play defense anymore?
WTF?
DID YOU SEE THE BAYLOR/WASHINGTON GAME? WOW!!
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Missed that one, but saw Stanford/OK State and Oregon/Win game.
Kind of feel for the Staford kid (kicker)
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 am
Forrest Hump Says:
Hue’s offense was plenty bully
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Yeah, it was a real bully in the fourth quarter of the Cleveland through Minnesota games (five straight games), the entire Miami game, the entire Green Bay game, the second half of the Detroit game.
What a bully it was.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:32 am
Eliot Wolf will be our new GM
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Baylor/Wash was the worst defensive game of all time! Even worse than 2 chuck B defenses going head to head!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
#44…
That also translates into Hue saying, “who the hell do john madden and ron wolf think they are? what have they ever done, i have just completed my 1st yr as HC and know how to fix everything (like he kept spruiking every week), so if mark and amy wont give me the vote of confidence over whatever john and ron think then im taking my ball (carson) with me and going home.”
This at the same time as him admitting he had training wheels on, admitted he wore too many hats….and at the same time as him insisting he IS going to have more power, more hats etc.
Hue is all over the place mentally. convinces himself with his own babble, but doesnt see that others can see he is all over the place mentally. like the QB carousel last season with JC and Gradkowksi. Like Hue saying about JC just recently….no it’s not a competition between JC and CP, its about playing the best man” ie, CP is his man regardless. talk about scholarships.
Hue’s mind is all over the place, no wonder the players and other coaches struggled under him.
Btw, notice that no other coaches have jumped to the support of Hue in any interviews? That says a lot. Not even Chuck has resorted to replying even after everything Hue trashed him with.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:33 am
Bob,
Focus on next year? Hue has already taken a chunk out of the 2013 draft! What will be left once everyone realizes great coaches almost always fail at trying to be gm and hc and that unqualified hue Jackson is no exception? We cant afford to hope hue can do it. The future is now for bringing this franchise into the 21st century.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am
To borrow a phrase from Hue “Trust me”. McKenzie and Wolf will turn this franchise into perennial winners.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:35 am
lookie…
huejack has one year left on his contract. he’s a lame duck without prior renewal.
it’s being set up in the new gm’s favor. it’s all hue’s game to win. he can save face and play the game, or flame out and fade away. he get’s a reprieve for one year only.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:36 am
the fly in the ointment could be if hue makes a power play hisself…which is how it is starting to look. then hands may be forced into alternatives.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
My best guess?
The GM will come in and help rebuild the defensive staff.
He’ll help restructure some salaries and make some FA signings.
He’ll let Hue run the offense, giving him a sink or swim season.
If Hue succeeds, then fine. If he doesn’t? The Raiders will have a 1st round pick to use on a franchise player, as well as some key expiring contracts that will allow them to remake the roster entirely.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
Any news yet about new GM? I saw a report recently saying reggie Mckenzie and Ron wolf’s son could be coming to the raiders. Let’s get this done! Followed by a new DC
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:37 am
There are dudes that play w/ heart and passion. And there are dudes that play to collect checks.
Hope they get it together and get rid of the fugazzi’s.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am
hue just keeps burying himself everytime he opens his mouth. you’d think he would’ve learned from seeing tom cable and lane kiffin make the same mistake. dont forget not long after al passed away his ego exploded and was constantly spruiking the “my vision” thing, turning the raiders into his vision, turning the players into his vision, etc.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:38 am
The future was THIS year.
9-7 won the West.
We should have had a back up QB that was capable of getting this team to 9 -7 after Campbell went down.
You don’t trade away you future every time your starting QB gets injured.
Hue blinked and the team FOLDED.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Dell,
LMAO. Did you start smoking. I won the debates. All of them.
I graduated with honors, and now I’m looking to continue my education (MBA), and fing a good job for exp.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 am
Deathrow55,
You really expect us to believe al Davis named hue Jackson as his successor? Lol!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:40 am
And looking* for a good job.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Hue will stay for 1 more year
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:43 am
I think McClain is better suited for a 3-4 D.
Wimbley, Moss, Curry, on the outside rushing.
McClain and a FA in the middle.
Still need that nose tackle though.
Trade Kelly sorry ass.
Hire Nolan!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:44 am
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Hue will stay for 1 more year
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If he can check himself from acting a fool.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 am
PurpleDrank81 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:41 am
Hue will stay for 1 more year
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If he can check himself from acting a fool.
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huejax gottoo play by the rules of the game… which is being built around him by the powers that be.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
hims just a leetle guy.
small bald man on de totem pole.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
you dont feel comfortable at the way I think you’ve got to buy in, then maybe this is not the right place for you – Hue Jax
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I wonder how many players he’s speaking to?
and which ones they are!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
hue jackson = footnote in the pages of the greatness of the Oakland Raiders book.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
GG post #64, you nailed it bro. He is all over the map. I really don’t like what i hear coming out of his mouth. There is something very unsettling about Hue.
He’s always been known as this type of character. In his previous stints at Cincy and Baltimore, he had a reputation for running around telling everyone how great he was. The rumor is they were not sorry to see him go both times.
At first in Oakland, he wasn’t too over-the-top. Some occasional blather about bullying and all, but otherwise not crazy. Then everything changed when Al died. It was like he suddenly had this “huege” sense of entitlement, that he now owned the team and was calling all the shots. It’s like he knows there is something in Al’s will that gives him grand authority over all things Raiders now.
This team doesn’t need an Al Davis reincarnate. I would rather the team just part ways with him. I don’t like him as a person, and I haven’t seen anything to make me think he’s head coach material. I don’t think they will dismiss him, but it’s where I am with it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Raider O
I’m not sure you were able due to family and schedule to have summer internships with a company with seasoned professionals to give you guidance and experience in the finance field.
Don’t get desperate for Acct positions or Sales (yuck) continue on your dream path to manage money.
I would look for small venture capital companys, equity Wealth managers who manage money or prive money managers to get the experience you need as well as a decent salary.
I would suggest, insurance companys who have in house money management, usually in Bonds and leases, as well as derivatives as their speciality.
The school part is easy (you probably think I’m crazy for saying that) finding a job, after graduating is the most challenging.
I know you want to head back to Jordan in the future, and may have your own plans laid out, just suggested some areas, I know are hiring in these tough economic times.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 am
So, if the new gm is forced to keep hue, then does that mean hue gets an automatic contract extension too? Because normally players do not respond well to lame-duck coaches. You think the players looked disinterested with hue this year wait until next year lol.
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Good point.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Dakota.
Wait, If I’m Mark Davis I would make sure Hue won’t trade 2013 picks, I would tell him to figure out a way to improve with a new DC of his liking, that he can cut a couple of players and sign a couple of FA’s as well as use whatever draft picks we have left in 2012 as he sees fit, not trading them, choosing players.
And who knows?.
Maybe Hue can get Eric De Costa after all or George Kokinis or Vincent (not Ozzy) Newsome from Baltimore to be GM or maybe get Joe Hortiz or Chad Alexander from their scouting-personnel departments…all of them would be getting a promotio as either GM or Directors of player personnel.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Raider O
Yes, I know I won the debates and you tried hard.
My little minnie meme.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
HUEY lost half of the locker room when he didn’t sit McClain in Miami and the other half getting interviewed by ESPN while getting her nails done.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Wassup Dell.
Don’t forget about me next season. lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
Dakota.
Wait, If I’m Mark Davis I would make sure Hue won’t trade 2013 picks, I would tell him to figure out a way to improve with a new DC of his liking, that he can cut a couple of players and sign a couple of FA’s as well as use whatever draft picks we have left in 2012 as he sees fit, not trading them, choosing players.
And who knows?.
Maybe Hue can get Eric De Costa after all or George Kokinis or Vincent (not Ozzy) Newsome from Baltimore to be GM or maybe get Joe Hortiz or Chad Alexander from their scouting-personnel departments…all of them would be getting a promotio as either GM or Directors of player personnel.
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So then if Hue does this and brings in a GM of his choice…the franchise is locked into his vision of the Raiders for the foreseeable future.
The powers that be require checks and balances to Hue’s decisions. He will live with it or leave.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:55 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 am
GG post #64, you nailed it bro. He is all over the map. I really don’t like what i hear coming out of his mouth. There is something very unsettling about Hue.
He’s always been known as this type of character. In his previous stints at Cincy and Baltimore, he had a reputation for running around telling everyone how great he was. The rumor is they were not sorry to see him go both times.
At first in Oakland, he wasn’t too over-the-top. Some occasional blather about bullying and all, but otherwise not crazy. Then everything changed when Al died. It was like he suddenly had this “huege” sense of entitlement, that he now owned the team and was calling all the shots. It’s like he knows there is something in Al’s will that gives him grand authority over all things Raiders now.
This team doesn’t need an Al Davis reincarnate. I would rather the team just part ways with him. I don’t like him as a person, and I haven’t seen anything to make me think he’s head coach material. I don’t think they will dismiss him, but it’s where I am with it.
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cheers. and youre right with your own comments on this too. and if us and the media can see it, you can be sure the raiders hq can see it — him undermining to boost himself and him being all over the map.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hue has done nothing to warrant the kind of trust and support needed to bring in a GM of his choice.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
So then if Hue does this and brings in a GM of his choice…the franchise is locked into his vision of the Raiders for the foreseeable future.
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Yes, I would give them the next 2 years.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:57 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dakota.
Let’s focus on next season, a new GM won’t have many draft picks to use in 2012 or much cap room to work with, I doubt a new guy will make the team much better next season, Hue is the man for the job.
See, this is Hue’s team right now, let him try his way, he’s asking for it and he might just get it, then he has to suceed or he’ll be gone and then we can move forward and empower a new GM to run this thing.
But I would definitely give Hue another shot before we let him go and I think he’ll succeed.
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I fully agree.
Bob Marley poet and a prophet.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Raids not going to hire a GM for 2 years…
This will be a monumental hire.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Wassup Dell.
Don’t forget about me next season. lol
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DMAC,
Good morning.DMAC didn’t forget about you this past season. Check your email on Yahoo in August daily for next season or in 9 mos.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
Saladfingerz Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hue has done nothing to warrant the kind of trust and support needed to bring in a GM of his choice.
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Hue having any say in hiring his own boss has zero chance of happening.
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
First of all we need to keep perspective. For most first year head coaches finishing 8-8 is considered a very good start. Considering what Hue had to deal with finishing 8-8 should be considered a fantastic job.
Davis passed away, and it isnt like an owner that just signed the checks was suddenly gone. Davis did the work of ten men, and suddenly Hue had to take on a much larger role, and in season. He brought us Curry, a deal that i like a lot, and palmer and tj. The palmer and tj deals are proof to me that he doesn’t need to make all of the personnel moves.
He lost his most important player and team leader jason campbell, and had to scramble to replace him. Palmer the logical choice under achieved, was unable to macth the standard that JC installed. He has proven that he isnt the guy from 2005, but merely a turn over prone qb, that will make a spectacular throw only to follow it up with bad reads and misfires that fall into the defenders laps. I counted at least 3 passes that bounced of defenders hands in the first half in this last game. To keep the team together and squeeze 3 wins from the palmer led raiders was a miracle.
We have one of the worst defenses in the nfl, and it was exposed time and time again. this leaky defense was made even worse with the turnovers and numerous drive stalls.
The fact that Hue Jack was able to get 8 wins in his rookie campaign while changing job duties, and plugging in players to replace Jc dmac and the rest shows that this guy can coach.
All he needs is support. A Gm that shares his vision and can allow him to focus on coaching. The GM can focus on overhauling the defense.
I say we have some interesting trade bait in carson palmer, I am convinced, that we can pick up some solid players or draft picks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
Wassup Dell.
Don’t forget about me next season. lol
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DMAC,
Good morning.DMAC didn’t forget about you this past season. Check your email on Yahoo in August daily for next season or in 9 mos.
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Yeah, I know.
Just fk’n w/ cha.
lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Dell,
You words of encouragement and advice mean more to me than you can imagine.
Most of the offers I received were sales due to my background, but I’m I’m looking for something different (money mgmt). I’m also looking for a good salary and tuition assistance.
I have put myself in a position where I don’t have to settle for any job. It has been six months since I graduated, but I’ve been doing my own thing overseas.
Thank you Finance Master.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
And there off.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
normally players do not respond well to lame-duck coaches. You think the players looked disinterested with hue this year wait until next year
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LOL @ Dakota!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Marley, 2 years??? Man, I want some of what you are smoking! You must just in shock from the collapse. I know it was a steep drop from elation to devastation but this team was not well coached on either side of the ball.
The Nation deserves better.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Your*
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
On a side note, who would you rather have as your D Coordinator:
- Chuck Breshnahan
or
- 3:30 on the clock, Raiders up by 4 Rob Ryan prevent special that allows the opponent to go right down the field without burning any timeouts and score an easy TD.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Hue as a first year HC going 8-8 is on the back of Cable and Hue and Marshalls 8-8 season and roster that Al davis drafted so well the last few years. Hue did nothing himself this year to separate himself from the elevation to .500 that al/cable/hue of 2010 achieved.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 am
Dakota.
Let’s focus on next season, a new GM won’t have many draft picks to use in 2012 or much cap room to work with, I doubt a new guy will make the team much better next season, Hue is the man for the job.
See, this is Hue’s team right now, let him try his way, he’s asking for it and he might just get it, then he has to suceed or he’ll be gone and then we can move forward and empower a new GM to run this thing.
But I would definitely give Hue another shot before we let him go and I think he’ll succeed.
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The Raiders / Mark Davis, Trask, Herrera (yeah I said his name), Madden, Herrock and Wolf are NOT going to entrust the future of the franchise with Hue Jackson and his mild credentials / pedigree.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
firing a rookie head coach after an 8-8 season is ridiculous
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
firing a rookie head coach after an 8-8 season is ridiculous
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Oh don’t get me wrong. He’s not gonna be fired, but he is going to have to come correct and play by the rules.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
4.YoungAmerican Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:56 am
IF the Raiders hired a new head coach, it would probably be a defensive-minded one. He’d already have an established QB and OC, and wouldn’t have to worry so much about that side of the ball. He could focus on working with the GM to rebuild the defense.
Personally, I think Gregg Williams and Mike Zimmer would be interesting choices along those lines. But I still think a new GM will keep Hue for at least another season, barring a huge clash of personalities and philosophies.
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I think Gregg Williams would be a terrible choice as Head Coach.
He is not head coach material. Maaaaaaaybe Zimmer.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
a new GM won’t have many draft picks to use in 2012 or much cap room to work with, I doubt a new guy will make the team much better next season, Hue is the man for the job
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Hue for HC/GM again?
puhleeze!
1) we can always get more draft picks
2) we can always get more cap room
3) Hue learned everything he knows about being the boss from midnight phone calls of a stubborn, cheap 82 year old man with a history of losing the past 8 years
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
107.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Hue as a first year HC going 8-8 is on the back of Cable and Hue and Marshalls 8-8 season and roster that Al davis drafted so well the last few years. Hue did nothing himself this year to separate himself from the elevation to .500 that al/cable/hue of 2010 achieved.
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If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
firing a rookie head coach after an 8-8 season is ridiculous
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It would also be ridiculous to invite him to help choose his own boss, no?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Dell,
I would take less Salary if it’s a position in money mgmt. I know I need to start at an natty level position and they don’t pay that well. I’m fine with that if I can’t get tuition assistance. Those UC schools cost a lot of money.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
You know who is not Head Coach material….Hue Jackson.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
107.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Hue as a first year HC going 8-8 is on the back of Cable and Hue and Marshalls 8-8 season and roster that Al davis drafted so well the last few years. Hue did nothing himself this year to separate himself from the elevation to .500 that al/cable/hue of 2010 achieved.
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If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Goldie7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
DMAC….Sup? How ya been? Happy New Year. Take care.
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Wassup. Happy New Year to u 2.
I’m cool/upset. Trying to fight this fked up cold I got.
How u been?
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Doing just fine DMAC. Still upset about our Raiders mediocre playing. Sometimes I wonder if I give my Raiders bad luck by sporting their gear. Darn, I thought the Raiders would play better than that.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
116.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:08 pm
You know who is not Head Coach material….Hue Jackson.
FIREHUEY.
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Once again….who you going to get to replace him genius that is worth a damn? Realistically.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Hunter S Thompson is a moron. The real one would kill you for stealing his name and spouting such drivel.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Raider O
Change your resume from Auto Sales to finance in the job description in the Auto sales part of the company to stop the sales job proposals.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
107.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Hue as a first year HC going 8-8 is on the back of Cable and Hue and Marshalls 8-8 season and roster that Al davis drafted so well the last few years. Hue did nothing himself this year to separate himself from the elevation to .500 that al/cable/hue of 2010 achieved.
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If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story.
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the defense was worse post-Al when Hue and Chuck MUTUALLY decided to play a ton of zone and deep safety blitzes and having mcclain and houston and wimbley manning TEs and speedy slot receivers, because they knew Al wasn’t around to scald them.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Goldie7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:27 am
Goldie7 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 11:24 am
DMAC….Sup? How ya been? Happy New Year. Take care.
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Wassup. Happy New Year to u 2.
I’m cool/upset. Trying to fight this fked up cold I got.
How u been?
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Doing just fine DMAC. Still upset about our Raiders mediocre playing. Sometimes I wonder if I give my Raiders bad luck by sporting their gear. Darn, I thought the Raiders would play better than that.
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No sense of urgency man.
As much as I hate to say it. The Raiders don’t deserve the playoffs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
hasn’t it been the same song & dance with every DC since Willie Shaw?
Chuck B put together a defense that could stuff the run one year with Adams & Parella in the middle. Since then? embarrassment!
Ryan = Marshall = Bresnahan
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
At an entry level….*
Dakota has a point about the iPhone.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
has hue been fired yet?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raider O Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Dell,
I would take less Salary if it’s a position in money mgmt. I know I need to start at an natty level position and they don’t pay that well. I’m fine with that if I can’t get tuition assistance. Those UC schools cost a lot of money.
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Your comments are like a union member in Govt, LOL
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Marshall>Ryan>Bres
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story
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DK,
Marshall & Haluchak were Cable guys. They got canned because he got canned.
Should have retained all 3 (and Hue as OC)
playoffs!?!?!?!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
So now we have to wait to begin the post al David rebuild for a year or two so that al’s last unqualified hire can get his undeserved due?
No fkin way!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Is it too early to talk about Lionel Washington versus Rod Woodson as DB Coach ?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Once again, the Raiders are going to hire a GM. The GM will hire coach. That is what GM’s do.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:13 pm
122.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
107.GG Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Hue as a first year HC going 8-8 is on the back of Cable and Hue and Marshalls 8-8 season and roster that Al davis drafted so well the last few years. Hue did nothing himself this year to separate himself from the elevation to .500 that al/cable/hue of 2010 achieved.
^^^^^^^^
If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story.
——
the defense was worse post-Al when Hue and Chuck MUTUALLY decided to play a ton of zone and deep safety blitzes and having mcclain and houston and wimbley manning TEs and speedy slot receivers, because they knew Al wasn’t around to scald them.
^^^^^^^^
Mutually my azz!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Hue stays.. bresnahan goes.. end of story! !
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
If Al didn’t get so overzealous and get rid of Marshall as the DC and kept him, the Raiders would have won the division….end of story
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DK,
Marshall & Haluchak were Cable guys. They got canned because he got canned.
Should have retained all 3 (and Hue as OC)
playoffs!?!?!?!
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That would’ve been fine if Cable had actually been HC half way through the year. Huejax was already in like flynn by then.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
How many Head Coaches can field a historically bad Defense and still win 8 games and come up a game short of the playoffs…. while picking up a QB from his couch in the middle of the season and losing your best player and only difference-maker for the last 9 weeks?.
– The Raiders had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history.
In the process, Oakland joined this year’s Tampa Bay team as two of the four teams ever to allow at least 30 TD passes and 5 yards per carry, a distinction previously held by only the 1950 Baltimore Colts and 1952 Dallas Texans.
Can’t blame Hue for that, give him or let him chose a Defensive Coordinator and we’ll see how he does.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Dell,
I did, but they see auto dealers, and they know it was sales related even if it was finance.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Polians on their way to Chicago, bet on it!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The year is over now; now I can tell you what I really feel, and what’s really on my mind
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LOL @ Hue
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
I love how some in here are breaking down what Hue said and his meaning. You guys should work for CNN reporting on the elections. That way everyone can see how dumb you are. I would hate to think we are the only ones that get to enjoy it. Spread the wealth. Idiots!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 9:33 am
I bring in Hue Jackson and ask him one question and one question only “why do you deserve to stay on as HC of the Raiders?”
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Rookie HC season and:
1) Best Dline player goes down (Matt Shaugh)
2) GM passes away with no replacement
3) QB goes down for the year
4) Best O player goes down for the year (Dmac)
5) 50% of WR crew injured all season
6) A UFL level coach manages the D, that ranked 29th and gave up 4th quarter points like crazy.
Yet, we still played for the division on the last game and managed to win 8….
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Basically there are two arguments here: injuries and the defense. Every team has injuries. SD beat us with Curtis Freaking Brinkley. Who was an UNDRAFTED FOURTH string back. Their best defensive player got ejected and they still won. Excuses. Then somehow and I don’t understand how, but the Head Coach is excused by the defensive and special teams lapses. Even tho we had defensive and special teams lapses all year. And again one of the most telling signs was when Carson Palmer said, I wish he was in the quarterback meetings. Well, he wasn’t meeting with Palmer and the Q’s, the defense fell apart faster than MR’s errr, Alex7’s arguments and Jon Condo was coaching the special teams units. What was Jackson doing while the team fell apart down the stretch. Oh right, he was getting his nails done.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
The defense was TERRIBLE as soon as Chuck B was hired and we all saw how bad and confused they were in the preseason games!
Keeping Marshall would have kept defensive continuity from an improved group from last year.
Al Davis getting rid of Marshall as the DC was just a bad move. You don’t get rid of a solid coach, unless you know damn well you can replace him with someone way better.
Terrible….just terrible.
Chuck B worked his way back to the UFL after this crappy season from his defense.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Dell,
My cousin is working in Chicago for an investment firm, but my pride will not allow to call and ask for a job.
I give pride another 6 months. lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The defense was straight up garbage this season… bres was not hues pick.. he was Davis’s. .. hue can’t be held accountable for bres. .. next season hue should be held responsible for whomever the dcoordinator is..
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Dknight007,
Who would we get to replace him? What do you mean? Al is gone we can mow go after qualified coaches and our calls will be returned. The monkey is off our backs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
I think it is possible Hue spent a lot of time in defensive meetings toward the end of the year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The team got worse as the season went on.
I don’t even want to think about how bad they are going to get by the end of next season if Hue gets another year.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Raider O Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Dell,
I did, but they see auto dealers, and they know it was sales related even if it was finance.
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Your resume, must get by the HR person to the manager of the department hiring. You may need to manuver or masssage the language your using to get past the HR person reviewing your resume.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic,
You had me for a minute till you got to this spot:
“He lost his most important player and team leader jason campbell, and had to scramble to replace him. Palmer the logical choice under achieved, was unable to macth the standard that JC installed.”
Come on, man. Palmer is light years better than Jason Campbell.
True, losing your QB 6 games into the season is killer and Campbell was playing pretty well this year — much better than last season — but Palmer made all kinds of throws that Campbell could not. How many times did Palmer connect perfectly with a receiver running deep down the field and drop the ball in a bucket? On the rare instance Campbell would try those throws he would sail them out of bounds.
Again, there is a reason the price for Campbell was a 4th round pick two years out and the price for Palmer was possibly a pair of first-round picks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Union Member. Low blow!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The defense was straight up garbage this season… bres was not hues pick.. he was Davis’s. .. hue can’t be held accountable for bres. .. next season hue should be held responsible for whomever the dcoordinator is..
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Please someone explain to me why Jackson is not responsible for the defense. Or the special teams. Do you guys really believe that during those great Dallas Cowboy teams if someone started rolling on Dallas Jimmy Johnson would call up to Jerry Jones in his booth and say, hey, “that’s Wannstadt not me…”
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Raider O Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Dell,
My cousin is working in Chicago for an investment firm, but my pride will not allow to call and ask for a job.
I give pride another 6 months. lol
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Are you kidding me, OMG, What pride you fell into the Huff camp and died with him as you were beaten down by me, lose your pride and get going.
Chicago, nice place, next to NY to learn Finance and many opportunities.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Saw where Hue graded the Team at a C-… Interesting …. I grade the Offense a C
And the Defense at F-…..Can you grade lower than F -?
Worst Defense I’ve ever seen wearing Silver & Black…
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The team got worse as the season went on.
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Does anyone dispute this?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Chris.. don’t bother trying to convince that dude… I can’t wait to see Campbell go to Seattle and be done with him.. he will always be the backup to Palmer if he stays in Oakland. . But some people will not open their eyes. .its embarrassing. .really.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Firing Marshall was not the problem. That guy almost always had a bottom third run d. The problem was spending nnamdi’s money on that total pos routt and then hiring chucky b. But now dcoordinators will know they won’t just be al’s puppets, so we should get some decent candidates.
Hire a gm first.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Fisher going to Rams, or Indy. I doubt Fisher will go to Miami because he doesn’t have a QB and he won’t want to deal with the Pats and Jets every year.
Spagnolo probably going to Philly due to his east coast roots and him being mentored by the great DC Jim Johnson.
They say Polian going to Chicago. Matt Flynn probably going to Seattle when he becomes free agent.
If the Raiders stick to 4-3 they need to get Del Rio or Spagnolo….PERIOD!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
And…the D got worse post-Al when Hue and Chuck could run that rubbish without Al scalding them. And got even worse down the stretch when Hue spent more time there.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Routt stinks…. for the money we gave that dude… we could have kept namdi..
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
151.Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:17 pm
The defense was straight up garbage this season… bres was not hues pick.. he was Davis’s. .. hue can’t be held accountable for bres. .. next season hue should be held responsible for whomever the dcoordinator is..
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Please someone explain to me why Jackson is not responsible for the defense. Or the special teams. Do you guys really believe that during those great Dallas Cowboy teams if someone started rolling on Dallas Jimmy Johnson would call up to Jerry Jones in his booth and say, hey, “that’s Wannstadt not me…”
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Maybe bresh was on the Rob Ryan plan and Hue couldnt mess with him. Remember when the HC tried to fire Rob? Or maybe Hue wanted to let CB hang himself so he could fire him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Palmer will be better next season…. I had the feeling he would mount a comeback Sunday if the Defense would have been able to just make a stop….
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
156.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Firing Marshall was not the problem. That guy almost always had a bottom third run d. The problem was spending nnamdi’s money on that total pos routt and then hiring chucky b. But now dcoordinators will know they won’t just be al’s puppets, so we should get some decent candidates.
Hire a gm first.
^^^^^^^^
Firing Marshall was a dumb unecessary move.
Getting rid of Nnamdi and using some of that money on Routt was another dumb move.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The team got worse as the season went on.
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Does anyone dispute this?
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Yes. Our offense had over 500 yards the last game of the year. Our DEFENSE sucked balls. Pretty simple.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Maybe I’m wrong because I agree with Dakota.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
164
youre wrong because youre wrong
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Dakota Says:
So now we have to wait to begin the post al David rebuild for a year or two so that al’s last unqualified hire can get his undeserved due?
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That’s what I don’t get about some of these guys here. They talk about all the bad players and other coaches the senile Al brought in. But for some reason, they think he made a genius move with Hue? Really? LMAO
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
This team needs a new, top-flight defensive coordinator. Mike Nolan, Del Rio, etc.
Give that guy total control of that system and most of the say over that side of the roster.
That’s all we need.
GM? Whatever. Who cares. Just be sure to get a legitimate defensive coordinator, keep Hue and we’ll be in good shape.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Don…. hue never wanted bres.. bres was als choice..
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Again.
– The Raiders had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history.
Now what about this:
- In the process, —— Oakland joined this year’s Tampa Bay team as two of the four teams ever to allow at least 30 TD passes and 5 yards per carry—–, a distinction previously held by only the 1950 Baltimore Colts and 1952 Dallas Texans.
So, what was Tampa Bay’s record?.
4-12, with an up and coming (seemingly) Coach, a highky regarded young QB and O-Line, as well as some decent playmakers in Legarrete Blount and Mike Williams.
The Raiders on the other hand came this close to getting in the playoffs.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Maybe I’m wrong because I agree with Dakota.
FIREHUEY.
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Doctor wrong, don’t think so.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The team got worse as the season went on.
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Does anyone dispute this?
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No dispute, the question is why. Reasons not excuses.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
PFT’s take…
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/03/hue-jackson-wants-to-be-involved-in-g-m-search/
quote…
It’s my opinion that finding the right general manager is a far more important hire than finding the right head coach. The G.M. needs the flexibility to set the course for all aspects of the franchise.
Finding a personnel guy that meshes well with Jackson would be a nice bonus, but it shouldn’t be a prerequisite.
…/quote
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC…I fel ya brother! I guess the worse part is that you were sick and really couldn’t enjoy the tailgating festivities…and then The Raiders put on something like that…smh!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
“If the Raiders stick to 4-3 they need to get Del Rio or Spagnolo….PERIOD!”
I threw Del Rios name out there a couple of weeks ago when he got fired as he is a Bay Area Native.
I think Hue’s ego is way to big to bring in a guy that has head coaching experience but I would love to have a guy as passionate as Del Rio on our coaching staff.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Hue is reponsible for the defense….he isn’t responsible for hiring Chuck B though and he isn’t responsible for calling the plays on the defensive side also.
If that was the case, Huey should have just fired Chuck B along time ago and took over calling defensive plays and overall strategy on the defensive side, becuase the play of the defense could not have got any worse….especially in crunch time.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Ghost… I’ll second that…. Routts worse than stink…. Way overpaid …a mistake Al made …
17 penalties is not average…. It’s F’n horrible….
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Before the season started the talking heads were in love with rob fkin Ryan, now they are blaming him for the cowgirls problems lol. Could have asked any of us what s joke of a dc that guy is.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Chump B is still employed? How long do I have to wait!!
Make it happen already!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
You are right Dell. That must not be Dakota.
FIREHUEY.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Not sure how long Routts contract runs , but it’s too long …
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC…I fel ya brother! I guess the worse part is that you were sick and really couldn’t enjoy the tailgating festivities…and then The Raiders put on something like that…smh!
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Feel sorrry for DMAC. I got home from NY eve party and got up three hours later , drove three hours and watched that crap and drove three hours back. At least DMAC lives in oaktown.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
What I don’t understand, is how a defense play like that in crunch time of games with 62K plus screaming fans as loud as they can, helping them out and they still allow 75 and 97 yard drives versus Detroit and then a 99 1/2 yarder versus the Bolts??
Unreal.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Agree… Bresnahan should have been fired Sunday afternoon….
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
A TOP NOTCH DEF-CORD COMES IN,ARE THE PLAYERS HERE ON DEFENSE ?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
and of course, 99.9% of the comments in that article are spot on and echo what the smart people in this blog have been saying for the last few days.
the others are brainwashed by the salesman spruik.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I was screaming for Chuck B to FIRED at halftime of that damn game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Dk.. I hear ya…. Everytime I think of our defense I get sick to my stomach .. Allover again
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
You can not make it to the Superbowl by firing a head coach EVERY SINGLE YEAR!
What part of that do some of you guys not understand?
What was Gruden’s record his first two years? 8-8! And I’m sure if we go back and watch every game from those two seasons we would be complaining and btching about things he did as well. Obviously he didn’t do something right because we only went 8-8 those two years right?
Oh but wait, PLAYERS win games, coaches just coach. Well look at who we had to patch together this season with all of the injuries on both offense and defense!
So since the Raiders didn’t make the playoffs under Gruden for two straight years, should he have been fired? Well then we wouldn’t have had our glory run from 2000-2003 that we still talk about to this day.
Some of you guys are straight clueless!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
I think Gregg Williams would be a terrible choice as Head Coach.
He is not head coach material. Maaaaaaaybe Zimmer.
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To be fair, the same thing was said about guys like Belichick and Coughlin at one point. He’s a motivator – his players believe in him and in his system – and personally, I think it would be interesting to finally see a defensive-minded head coach in Oakland.
Still, I think Hue will be the best man for the job in 2012. After 2012, it’s anybody’s guess. Regardless, it comes down to the GM hire.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Why did the Raiders go 8-8 for two straight seasons under Gruden?
I’ll wait. Please bring on the excuses.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
fingers Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Agree… Bresnahan should have been fired Sunday afternoon….
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Breshnahan is as good as gone. There’s no doubt about that. I think Hue sent some quite clear signals that would be the case if it’s his call to make.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Dell,
1- What are you talking about? I won all of our debates. Every single one. That’s how I remember it.
2- I like to do things on my own. It’s been like that since I was 15.
3- you don’t know my family. I will never stop hearing about my great cousin saving me and my family from hunger in America.
4- I love Cali. Its home.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Knight,
Marshall was garbage. In 2010, our run d was bad and although we didn’t give up a lot of passing yards, we gave up a shy-load of td passes. Firing marshall was not a mistake. Hiring chucky b as his replacement was the mistake.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Oh but wait, PLAYERS win games, coaches just coach. Well look at who we had to patch together this season with all of the injuries on both offense and defense!
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I am willing to entertain the possibility that the depleted dline rotation was responsible for turning a bad defense into an absolute disaster at the end.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Man, this seasons defense had to be the worst Raider defense I have seen in a long time.
Chuck B couldn’t make quick adjustments to save his life and job.
I mean man, if you are going to go down, at least go down swinging and blitzing Rivers up the middle and to right to flush him to his left.
Bring the house and cover the hot read for crying out loud!
He was to chicken crap to even do that. Sad….
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Routt should be fined and suspended for his penalties this year, his salary needs to be re-structured, if AL were still alive, he would pull a Lane Kiffin on his @ss.
BTW, is that guy Jerry Angelo any good? I know he didnt do anything about replacing Caleb Haney, which probably means had he been our GM, we would have been stuck with Kyle Boller all year. I definitely DO NOT want him. I do not want Polian either, something about him rubs me the wrong way. Millen should be the last person considered for the position on the earth. McKenzie..I dont know, one this is for sure, whoever it is, except for maybe Millen, would be 1000 times more qualified than Hue. I want action taken soon. Quit with this waiting till March crap, Al, bless his heart, is no longer around. It is OK to make moves now.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Del Rio & Spags would both be solid RAIDER hires, because both have HC experience when handed the interim job after Hue is fired in November 2012.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Well Peymour Bish is a simpleton.
The O scored 26 points @ home and Palmer’s only Int happened because Ford fell down. The def flushed us down the toilet numerous times in 2011.
Peymour also thinks R Seymour is a stud. He’s a disgrace to the Pro Bowl and to the Raider uniform.
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Forrest Hump Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
The team got worse as the season went on.
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Does anyone dispute this?
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Yes. Our offense had over 500 yards the last game of the year. Our DEFENSE sucked balls. Pretty simple.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Angelo is terrible.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
I’m not in favor of firing Hue…. Only if the New GM wants his own guy…. Otherwise I understand the Defense was in noway Hue jacksons defense….I believe Hue deserves a clean start with his own coachs … Unless the GM wants to go in a new direction..
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Hue Jackson should have fired chucky b within minutes of hearing about al’s death. Al should not even have gotten to room temperature before hue fired chucky b.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Hue doesn’t have the power to fire Chucky B or he would have already why do you think he was angrily asking for more power in his presser.
Wimbly has to go one good game and we pay him like Julius Peppers.
Girodano is a practice squad player that we were forced to use all year long because of injuries he is in way over his head.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
A football season is like a horse race.
The horse needs to break down the stretch.
1 AND 4 down the stretch????
Time to find a new jockey.
FIREHUEY!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
193.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Knight,
Marshall was garbage. In 2010, our run d was bad and although we didn’t give up a lot of passing yards, we gave up a shy-load of td passes. Firing marshall was not a mistake. Hiring chucky b as his replacement was the mistake.
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Firing Marshall was a mistake. You don’t fire a coach who had the defense improving overall, unless you are GUARANTEED to have someone better to replace him.
That’s overzealous mismanagement, arrogance and bad planning from Al and the front office and maybe even Huey.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Mistic,
You had me for a minute till you got to this spot:
“He lost his most important player and team leader jason campbell, and had to scramble to replace him. Palmer the logical choice under achieved, was unable to macth the standard that JC installed.”
Come on, man. Palmer is light years better than Jason Campbell.
True, losing your QB 6 games into the season is killer and Campbell was playing pretty well this year — much better than last season — but Palmer made all kinds of throws that Campbell could not. How many times did Palmer connect perfectly with a receiver running deep down the field and drop the ball in a bucket? On the rare instance Campbell would try those throws he would sail them out of bounds.
Again, there is a reason the price for Campbell was a 4th round pick two years out and the price for Palmer was possibly a pair of first-round picks.
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I have tracked at least 12 passes that palmer threw directly to the defense that were dropped. This includes 3 bone headed passes in the first half of the last game that fell to the ground after the defense dropped them. By my count palmer would be near 25 picks in only 8 starts.
i told everyone that dropped ints should be counted because they will eventually bite you. One or two highlight throws measured against a gaggle of bone headed throws isnt very impressive to me.
I would rather have the qb that doesnt turn the ball over. the turn overs are one of the main reasons palmer only won 3 games
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Raider O
Stubborn ,just like in our debates about Huff, which I clearly won. I see your point with family, yet opportunities in the financial field are shrinking for what you want to do as a Professional Money Manager.
DODD-FRANK changed some of those potential opportunities. Regulation is real expensive and money managers have many new regs to follow.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dk…Ive been going to Raider games since 1970.. And this is by far the worse Defence I’ve ever seen with the Raiders
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Our sole focus should be hiring a quality GM and let the chips fall where they may. For the last 9 years we have had the same problems:
1. Penalties
2. The team now showing up
3. A sieve of a defense.
We all know that is because no top-tier GM or coach would come here to just have Al pull the strings. That is no longer a concern. Now, go out and get the best possible person to finish building this team.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Hue doesn’t have the power to fire Chucky B or he would have already why do you think he was angrily asking for more power in his presser.
Wimbly has to go one good game and we pay him like Julius Peppers.
Girodano is a practice squad player that we were forced to use all year long because of injuries he is in way over his head.
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HEY!…
Thats disrespectful to the practice squad players..
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
197.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Del Rio & Spags would both be solid RAIDER hires, because both have HC experience when handed the interim job after Hue is fired in November 2012.
^^^^^^^^
Del Rio would be better than Spags if a situation like that occurs. Spags is not a good head coach, at least Del Rio was a decent head coach for a little while.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
A football season is like a horse race.
The horse needs to break down the stretch.
1 AND 4 down the stretch????
Time to find a new jockey.
FIREHUEY!
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OMG, simple story teller Love it, you are the MAN!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC…I fel ya brother! I guess the worse part is that you were sick and really couldn’t enjoy the tailgating festivities…and then The Raiders put on something like that…smh!
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Feel sorrry for DMAC. I got home from NY eve party and got up three hours later , drove three hours and watched that crap and drove three hours back. At least DMAC lives in oaktown.
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I fk’n got out of bed sick as hell to watch some BS at the coliseum.
Next time they better pay me to come and support them.
lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Props to SeaBass for a spectacular season. The Polish hot dog picked himself up from a horrible 2010 and came up big, even lost his SeaPerch nick name! S Lechler and SeaBass repersenting in the pro bowl, big props! Despite what Peymour Glen says Lechler has always been a “placement” kicker and a distance kicker.
R Seymour, what you are doing in the pro bowl is a disgrace & mystery to any serious football fan with average or above knowledge.
Fk you Bres, thanks for flushing us down the toilet!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Think about this:
There was one other team fielding a Defense as bad as ours, the Tampa Bay Bucs.
- “Oakland joined this year’s Tampa Bay team as two of the four teams ever to allow at least 30 TD passes and 5 yards per carry—–, a distinction previously held by only the 1950 Baltimore Colts and 1952 Dallas Texans”.
So, what was Tampa Bay’s record?.
4-12 and they didn’t lose their starting QB and RB before mid-season.
The Raiders on the other hand (with a defense nearly as bad, I think we were a bit better, more sacks) came this close to getting in the playoffs.
Hue Jackson overcame a Defense so bad it made history, as well as a ton of huge injuries on offense to nearly sneak into the playoffs.
Fired he must be, some say.
You have got to be kidding me fellas.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Again.
– The Raiders had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history.
Now what about this:
- In the process, —— Oakland joined this year’s Tampa Bay team as two of the four teams ever to allow at least 30 TD passes and 5 yards per carry—–, a distinction previously held by only the 1950 Baltimore Colts and 1952 Dallas Texans.
So, what was Tampa Bay’s record?.
4-12, with an up and coming (seemingly) Coach, a highky regarded young QB and O-Line, as well as some decent playmakers in Legarrete Blount and Mike Williams.
The Raiders on the other hand came this close to getting in the playoffs.
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Everyone is focused on the defense. Sure. But, our scoring offense: Down from last year. Penalties. Up from last year. Offense in general: about the same as last year. And this year we didn’t have Gradkowski. We had Carson Palmer. We didn’t have Mario Henderson. We had Jared Veldheer. We didn’t have sucky DHB who couldn’t catch, we had a decent DHB. We Marcel Reece playing well, not Luke Lawton. So actually we got worse with better players. Something is wrong there. Really wrong.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
Why did the Raiders go 8-8 for two straight seasons under Gruden?
I’ll wait. Please bring on the excuses.
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I have repeatedly stated that I’m not convinced Gruden was that great of a coach. He looked dam good only after Gannon arrived.
And then he went on to win a Super Bowl with Tony Dungy’s team and intimate knowledge of every play the Raiders would run on offense.
He followed that with six more miserable seasons in Tampa Bay before finally getting fired in the middle of his contract.
So the Gruden 8-8 seasons cannot be used to excuse Hue. Sorry.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
It is official….Norvell will keep his job, He should thank Hue and Chump B for that…
Along the long list the Raiders accomplished on Sunday, sending Teblow to playoffs, yada yada yada, they also managed to keep Norv as coach…that might be the only good thing to come out of that game.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Man, this seasons defense had to be the worst Raider defense I have seen in a long time.
Chuck B couldn’t make quick adjustments to save his life and job.
I mean man, if you are going to go down, at least go down swinging and blitzing Rivers up the middle and to his right to flush him to his left.
Bring the house and cover the hot reads for crying out loud!
He was to chicken crap to even do that. Sad!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I think if we’re going to stick with the 4-3, then Del Rio would be the best, most logical option as DC.
Makes sense for him because …
1) He’s not getting a HC job right now, but if he steps in and does a nice job with our defense for a year or two he’ll be back on the hot list of HC candidates.
2) He has ties to the area and I believe said he was a Raiders fan growing up.
3) He would presumably have a lot of control of the defense with an offensive-minded HC like Hue.
4) It is possible much of the talent needed to make thsi a good unit is here. I think the struggles this year were more the result of scheme and players not doing their jobs. A good DC who knows what he’s doing and gets these guys to be accountable would go a long way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Hwnrdr,
Thanx again for the nice tail-gaiting festivities this season.
See you next season, unless you come out to check the mighty Warriors.
lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Knight,
Bad management by al? U will never hear me argue against that lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
217.boss01 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
It is official….Norvell will keep his job, He should thank Hue and Chump B for that…
Along the long list the Raiders accomplished on Sunday, sending Teblow to playoffs, yada yada yada, they also managed to keep Norv as coach…that might be the only good thing to come out of that game.
^^^^^^^^
I agree. Norv keeping his job in SD is a good thing for the Raiders! haha
My friends in SD are pissed. They all wanted him out!
They wanted us to win the game against them, so Norv would be fired! Lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
fingers Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Dk…Ive been going to Raider games since 1970.. And this is by far the worse Defence I’ve ever seen with the Raiders
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Fingers
I’m a old guy to, and your right it was downright pathetic and disgusting and embarassing, our big Bully, yeah.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Peymour Bish, you thought Rob Ryan walked on water so again you are on the wrong side of every single thing you speak about and your input should be treated as pure comedy.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Everyone is focused on the defense. Sure.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Makes sense for us because:
1) Del Rio has a good track record as a defensive coach in a 4-3 system.
2) I think Del Rio has the intensity and demeanor to get these guys to play hard. And the experience to know who should stay and who should get replaced.
3) Perhaps we could try to bring Rod Woodson along. If the D succeeds under Del Rio, perhaps Rod will be ready to take over by the time Del Rio bolts for a HC position.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The 2011 Raiders defense should have its own nickname:
You had legendary teams like the “Steel Curtain”, “No Name Defense”, “Orange Crush”, “Purple People Eaters”
And now thatnks to Chump B, we have the
“Red Sea Defense” unveiled lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Boss01 Says:
It is official….Norvell will keep his job, He should thank Hue and Chump B for that…
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Hahahahaha! I said here right after the game Sunday that would be the one good thing to come out of the loss – Chargers stuck with AJ and Norv for another season. AWESOME!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Everyone is focused on the defense. Sure. But, our scoring offense: Down from last year. Penalties. Up from last year. Offense in general: about the same as last year. And this year we didn’t have Gradkowski. We had Carson Palmer. We didn’t have Mario Henderson. We had Jared Veldheer. We didn’t have sucky DHB who couldn’t catch, we had a decent DHB. We Marcel Reece playing well, not Luke Lawton. So actually we got worse with better players. Something is wrong there. Really wrong.
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another astute post.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Mistic1 give it up man all your soap box posturing for Campbell will not work.
Hue said yesterday in his presser that he is tied to Palmer’s hip.
Something you argued with me all day about one fine day in here. The proof is in the pudding I was right you were wrong.
Now Campbell is thinking about staying on as a backup and that’s cool because it will keep you active next year but it also shows there are no teams out there that are willing to give him a starting job.
Face it your guy is now a backup in this league.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
unlike the hype being tiossed around in here, jarvis moss was interviewed after the game and the man was in tears. A grown man crying because they were eliminated. He was especially sensitive about the fact that the crowd was chanting “denver lost” and they still couldnt get it done.
Hu has not lost the team in any way and players are humiliated and disappointed by there performance.
I think Hue did a great job when there were several reasons for the team to fail, and many chances fro them to mail it in the way they have in years past.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Yeah Al screwed Hue with the Bresnahan hire.
But, we wanted to interview Dennis Thurman for the job.
“It was late January when Rex Ryan called secondary coach Dennis Thurman into his office.
The Oakland Raiders had asked to interview Thurman for their vacant defensive coordinator job, and Ryan explained to Thurman the Jets had denied permission.
“He wasn’t prepared to lose me,” Thurman said.
“I wasn’t overly emotional about it, because I look at it like this: it’s something I didn’t have. Would it have been a good opportunity? Yeah……But at the same time, I have a great job here. We’re trying to do something as a team, that’s obviously trying to take that next step and get to the Super Bowl.”
Thurman, one of Ryan’s most-trusted assistants, had another year on his contract, which is why the Jets could block the interview. This is Thurman’s 10th season coaching alongside Rex Ryan, dating back to 2002 in Baltimore.
During those years with the Ravens, Thurman saw Ryan be blocked from coordinator interviews before being promoted from defensive line coach to Baltimore’s defensive coordinator in 2005.
“What are you going to do? Are you going to sit there and argue with him and get into some debate?” Thurman said. “Here is a man who obviously had it done to him a number of times, and you just have to move on.”
New Raiders coach Hue Jackson, who coached with Thurman at USC in the late 90s, admitted this week he was “a little surprised” at the Jets’ decision, since Thurman has aspirations of being a coordinator.
But Ryan said his responsibility is to the Jets organization and he does not have an “open-door policy” for his best assistants to be poached.”
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
We win division games because of HUE.
We were in position to with The West because of HUE.
Dmac and DHB became relevant because of HUE.
We now have a legit QB because of HUE.
Remember 7 years of 11 losses or more? hue wasn’t around for that!
Our D sucked because of AL.
Penalties have always been an issue because of AL.
We can now hire a real GM and D coordinator because of AL.
Give my boy HueJax a average Defense, an offseason for Palmer and the Offense. Get rid of a few overpaid fat contracts. Make sure Hue is focused on “Playcalling” and we win The West next year in week 14!
In HUE trust!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Dell,
I know exactly what you mean, but it’s not a good situation. The reward (profits) do not justify the risk and costs ( moving my entire family including my mother, and working with family who I have not seen in 5 years). Not the best situation at this point, but maybe later. I keep my doors open.
Remember Dell, my ideal situation is to get enough exp and certificates from here to get my dream Job in Jordan. I will get paid more than I would here ( if I work for an American or euro company), and cost of living is much less than here. Also less regs and exp there, which makes the situation even more attractive.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Th einjuries this year far out weight last years its not even close. Ford, DMAC, Moore, Shauhnessy, and Boller not being able to tread water for even 1 quarter killed us.
Whats wrong here is you are clueless as always!
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Everyone is focused on the defense. Sure. But, our scoring offense: Down from last year. Penalties. Up from last year. Offense in general: about the same as last year. And this year we didn’t have Gradkowski. We had Carson Palmer. We didn’t have Mario Henderson. We had Jared Veldheer. We didn’t have sucky DHB who couldn’t catch, we had a decent DHB. We Marcel Reece playing well, not Luke Lawton. So actually we got worse with better players. Something is wrong there. Really wrong.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Mistic check out post 71 please
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
The 2011 Raiders defense should have its own nickname:
You had legendary teams like the “Steel Curtain”, “No Name Defense”, “Orange Crush”, “Purple People Eaters”
And now thatnks to Chump B, we have the
“Red Sea Defense” unveiled lol
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They should be playing the “Ole Ole Ole” song each and every time they step out on the field…McClain should change his name to “Captain Ole” ala Ochocinco
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
224.Chris in NY Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Makes sense for us because:
1) Del Rio has a good track record as a defensive coach in a 4-3 system.
2) I think Del Rio has the intensity and demeanor to get these guys to play hard. And the experience to know who should stay and who should get replaced.
3) Perhaps we could try to bring Rod Woodson along. If the D succeeds under Del Rio, perhaps Rod will be ready to take over by the time Del Rio bolts for a HC position.
^^^^^^^
Plus Del Rio is homegrown from the Bay Area and is a Raider fan! He is a Raider! He would know how to turn this damn defense around and have them play with discipline, pride, toughness and smarts.
The only D coaches that I think should be kept are Waufle and Woodson. They rest can go bye bye. Sorry Biekert.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
palmer was awful this year, and next season teams will be salivating at the chance to pick off one of his ill fated flutter balls. The book is out on carson, pressure him and he folds.
This isnt good enough to win.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
It is official, norv and smith back to SD.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Girodano is a practice squad player that we were forced to use all year long because of injuries he is in way over his head
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Silver,
Matty G has been solid imo
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
You don’t need a number one offense when your Defense SUCKs like Chucky b’s did.
In 4 loses we scored at least 25 points!! We scored 35 in Buffalo? 24 at home vs The Donks? 27 at home vs The Lions? 26 last week?
ITS THE DEFENSE!! Penalties have AlWAYS been an issue!
Remember what is was like BEFORE Hue?
C’mon people this is NOT Diificult to see!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Raiders coach Hue Jackson would welcome impending free agent Jason Campbell back next season.
CSN Bay Area’s Paul Gutierrez is skeptical, in large because Campbell became a “polarizing force” to the wide receivers who felt the team leader was disrespected by Jackson’s “greatest trade in football” bravado on Carson Palmer. Jacoby Ford, in particular, seemed to have communication issues with Palmer. Campbell can find a better opportunity elsewhere.
Related: Carson Palmer, Jacoby Ford
Source: CSN Bay Area
Jan 3 – 1:12 PM
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Dell,
And stop it with I won the debates huba luba. I won those debates. Did huff play corner? Yes he did!!!!
What now? What now?
I clearly won, and now I will do my victory dance.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
234.MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Th einjuries this year far out weight last years its not even close. Ford, DMAC, Moore, Shauhnessy, and Boller not being able to tread water for even 1 quarter killed us.
Whats wrong here is you are clueless as always!
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Everyone is focused on the defense. Sure. But, our scoring offense: Down from last year. Penalties. Up from last year. Offense in general: about the same as last year. And this year we didn’t have Gradkowski. We had Carson Palmer. We didn’t have Mario Henderson. We had Jared Veldheer. We didn’t have sucky DHB who couldn’t catch, we had a decent DHB. We Marcel Reece playing well, not Luke Lawton. So actually we got worse with better players. Something is wrong there. Really wrong.
^^^^^^^^
Did you account for the injuries to DMC, Ford, Moore, and Campbell and the loss of Miller?
Did you account for the Raiders transition period with the QB position for 3 weeks?
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Thurman, winston moss or spags for d coordinator
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
possible bad news…
As noted by Tom Silverstein of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel, Smith and Packers Director of Football Operations Reggie McKenzie are “very good friends.” McKenzie may rank high on the Bears’ list of Angelo successors.
Source: chicagobears.com
Jan 3 – 11:23 AM
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
241.303Raider Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
You don’t need a number one offense when your Defense SUCKs like Chucky b’s did.
In 4 loses we scored at least 25 points!! We scored 35 in Buffalo? 24 at home vs The Donks? 27 at home vs The Lions? 26 last week?
ITS THE DEFENSE!! Penalties have AlWAYS been an issue!
Remember what is was like BEFORE Hue?
C’mon people this is NOT Diificult to see!
^^^^^^^
I know. If Hue was white, than all would be good with some of these clowns in here.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
You guys and your circle jerking over Del Rio. LMAO Give it the fk up. No way that former head coach wants to come be a DC under a clueless head coach in Oakland. You’re as delusional about that as you are about Hue.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Peymour Bish, you thought Rob Ryan walked on water so again you are on the wrong side of every single thing you speak about and your input should be treated as pure comedy.
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No I didn’t. But Jamista Clown you are the noted blog moron. Accept the fact and sit in the corner in your vomit.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I see mistic 1 is still delusional lol
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
212.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC…I fel ya brother! I guess the worse part is that you were sick and really couldn’t enjoy the tailgating festivities…and then The Raiders put on something like that…smh!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Feel sorrry for DMAC. I got home from NY eve party and got up three hours later , drove three hours and watched that crap and drove three hours back. At least DMAC lives in oaktown.
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I fk’n got out of bed sick as hell to watch some BS at the coliseum.
Next time they better pay me to come and support them.
lol
LOL…Dell, man, I’m sorry about that one…that really must have sucked a**! I know you had a NYE party to go to…but, cannot explain or even begin to the trash we saw of a D on Sunday!
220.DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Hwnrdr,
Thanx again for the nice tail-gaiting festivities this season.
See you next season, unless you come out to check the mighty Warriors.
lol
Any time brother! Any time! And hey…I do go to Warriors games once in awhile! They are fun to go to!
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
silverback Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room.
Maybe it started with the Palmer trade and a core group of players that were more loyal to Campbell than to Hue. I know that the key losses can all be placed firmly at the feet of the defense, but I don’t get the feeling that the entire team was willing to go to the wall for Hue. Maybe his personality is just to duplicitous to inspire that kind of loyalty and commitment. I believe I may have drank to much of the koolaid again.
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It was the D not the locker room hating Hue
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
FACT!!
Gio>Huff
At least this season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
238.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
palmer was awful this year, and next season teams will be salivating at the chance to pick off one of his ill fated flutter balls. The book is out on carson, pressure him and he folds.
This isnt good enough to win.
^^^^^^^
Zzzzzzzzzz….
If the Raiders had an average defense, we would have won the division after that Detroit game or even if we won the Buffalo game or the 2nd Denver game at home and even the last game versus the Chargers.
I get tired of repeating myself to people who are blind.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Did you account for the injuries to DMC, Ford, Moore, and Campbell and the loss of Miller?
Did you account for the Raiders transition period with the QB position for 3 weeks?
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Every team has injuries. Every team has transitional periods. Jackson in his own words said we were getting healthier later in the year, yet we played worse.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
I know. If Hue was white, than all would be good with some of these clowns in here.
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Here comes the race card. LOL
Never mind that some of us would love to have Lovie or Tomlin. Never mind that some of us wanted Jason over Gradkowski any given day.
You’re pathetic.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
244. Of course they didn’t account for the loss of key players.
We were DOMINATING huge plays b4 the inujuries.
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Raider OT
The only corner Huff played after two concussions, foot injury and shoulder injury this year was the corner of the meeting room, where not much sank in.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
256. Wait a minute?! Hue is black?!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Wow. Norv. What can you say? The new Rasputin.
GRIGORI RASPUTIN
… On June 29, 1914, after either just receiving a telegram or exiting church, Rasputin was attacked suddenly by Khionia Guseva, a former prostitute who had become a disciple of the monk Iliodor. … Guseva thrust a knife into Rasputin’s abdomen, and his entrails hung out of what seemed like a mortal wound. Convinced of her success, Guseva supposedly screamed, “I have killed the antichrist!”
After intensive surgery, however, Rasputin recovered. It was said of his survival that “the soul of this cursed muzhik was sewn on his body.”
The murder of Rasputin has become a legend … On December 16, 1916, having decided that Rasputin’s influence over the Tsaritsa had made him a threat to the empire[citation needed], a group of nobles led by Prince Felix Yusupov and the Grand Duke Dmitri Pavlovich and the right-wing politician Vladimir Purishkevich apparently lured Rasputin to the Yusupovs’ Moika Palace[20] by intimating that Yusupov’s wife, Princess Irina, would be present and receiving friends (in point of fact, she was away in the Crimea).[21] The group led him down to the cellar, where they served him cakes and red wine laced with a massive amount of cyanide. According to legend, Rasputin was unaffected, although Vasily Maklakov had supplied enough poison to kill five men. Conversely, Maria’s account asserts that, if her father did eat or drink poison, it was not in the cakes or wine, because after the attack by Guseva he suffered from hyperacidity and avoided anything with sugar. In fact, she expresses doubt that he was poisoned at all. It has been suggested, on the other hand, that Rasputin had developed an immunity to poison due to mithridatism.[22]
Determined to finish the job, Prince Yusupov became anxious about the possibility that Rasputin might live until the morning, leaving the conspirators no time to conceal his body. Yusupov ran upstairs to consult the others and then came back down to shoot Rasputin through the back with a revolver. Rasputin fell, and the company left the palace for a while. Yusupov, who had left without a coat, decided to return to get one, and while at the palace, he went to check on the body. Suddenly, Rasputin opened his eyes and lunged at Yusupov. He grabbed Yusupov and attempted to strangle him. At that moment, however, the other conspirators arrived and fired at Rasputin. After being hit three times in the back, he fell once more. As they neared his body, the party found that, remarkably, he was still alive, struggling to get up. They clubbed him into submission. After binding his body and wrapping him in a carpet, they threw him into the icy Neva River. He broke out of his bonds and the carpet wrapping him, but drowned in the river.
Three days later, Rasputin’s body, poisoned, shot four times, badly beaten, and drowned, was recovered from the river. An autopsy established that the cause of death was drowning. It was found that he had indeed been poisoned, and that the poison alone should have been enough to kill him. There is a report that after his body was recovered, water was found in the lungs, supporting the idea that he was still alive before submersion into the partially frozen river.[26]
Subsequently, the Tsaritsa Alexandra buried Rasputin’s body in the grounds of Tsarskoye Selo, but after the February Revolution, a group of workers from Saint Petersburg uncovered the remains, carried them into the nearby woods, and burned them. As the body was being burned, Rasputin appeared to sit up in the fire. His apparent attempts to move and get up thoroughly horrified bystanders. …”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rasputin
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
“Silver,
Matty G has been solid imo”
The guy sure does hustle, he works hard and that alone probably got him in the lineup because some guys do NOT put forth as much effort as he does.
He is green imo….I will lay off him for now thanx
Back to Wimbly!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
238.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
palmer was awful this year,
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Sorry but that is absolutely ridiculous. Palmer was completing over 70% of his passes in must win games. For high yards per attempt. When you say things like this it makes you look really silly, honestly. The bigger issue was why was Jackson just running the ball over and over and going nowhere and setting up for FG’s when the passing O was working?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/i-am-sorry.html
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Dont fire hue. Fire Chuck B. and give Hue a decent defense and see what he can do. I bet you it gets us at least 10-6 next season. There is nothing Hue did that should warrant losing the support of his players. If certain players took that mindset, then get rid of them because they are too weak to handle adversity and rise to the occasion.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Some bloggers are clueless Mike Ditka didnt un the Bears D,Buddy Ryan did.Lovie Smith doesnt run the Bears O,Mike Martz did.Jason Garrett didnt run the Cowboys D,Rob Ryan did.John Gruden didnt run the Bucs D Monte Kiffin did.Point being some coaches are more offensive minded some are more defensive minded and they choose that side of the ball to put the majority of thier focus on.Why does Hue need to be fired is my question,our offense was on point the majority of the time this season,hell if we had the friggn St.Louis Rams d we would have made the playoffs and probably had a bye.Hue hit it on the head when he said on defense you have to hunt,week in and week out and our d has no”consistent”hunters @ this point in time
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
256.RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
I know. If Hue was white, than all would be good with some of these clowns in here.
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Here comes the race card. LOL
Never mind that some of us would love to have Lovie or Tomlin. Never mind that some of us wanted Jason over Gradkowski any given day.
You’re pathetic.
^^^^^^^^
I’m not saying all of you are racist. Just some of you and you know who are you are.
Now those are the people who are pathetic buddy!
Newflash: Racism exists in this country.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Newsflash: Racism exists on this blog!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Our offense what not the problem this year. If you think that it was, i have to say your a moron. The D lost us most our games.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“If the Raiders had an average defense, we would have won the division after that Detroit game or even if we won the Buffalo game or the 2nd Denver game at home and even the last game versus the Chargers.
I get tired of repeating myself to people who are blind.”
So true!!!!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@253=DMAC. Gio f-ing sucks. I dont care if he got picks. Guy cant tackle to save his life. We need a major upgrade in the safety position.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
268.L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Our offense what not the problem this year. If you think that it was, i have to say your a moron. The D lost us most our games.
^^^^^^^^
Yep. Some of the people in here are morons who believe the offense was the problem with this team this year.
People who say Hue lost the locker room are morons also.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Huff is overpaid and so is Wimbly.
Who else does Hue ship out of here before camp?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Dknight,
Be a man and name the racist guys in this blog.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
OK the D is horrible, but Hue cost us the Lions game and the playoffs.
3rd and 3 in the 4th w/ about 2 min to go, and you dial up a 25 yard passing play. C’mon man!
Not sure what to think about Hue.
I’ll leave up to the new GM to make that decision.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Th einjuries this year far out weight last years its not even close. Ford, DMAC, Moore, Shauhnessy, and Boller not being able to tread water for even 1 quarter killed us.
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More excuses. Like you’re stupid because you got dropped on your head as a baby.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
silverback Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 10:55 am
I am having trouble explaining the 1-4 collapse other than Hue lost the locker room.
Maybe it started with the Palmer trade and a core group of players that were more loyal to Campbell than to Hue. I know that the key losses can all be placed firmly at the feet of the defense, but I don’t get the feeling that the entire team was willing to go to the wall for Hue. Maybe his personality is just to duplicitous to inspire that kind of loyalty and commitment. I believe I may have drank to much of the koolaid again.
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It was the D not the locker room hating Hue
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OK…I Guess
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
is dmac ready to practice this week hue?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
They need to plug Wimbley as the full time RDE if they stick to a 4-3, and just have him concentrate on getting to the QB and causing disruption in the backfield.
Then they need to sign a vet FA SAM who can play and push Ro Mac.
They also need to sign a vet WILL OLB who will push Curry.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Newsflash: Racism exists on this blog!
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Some posts make me suspicious is all.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
People who say Hue lost the locker room are morons also.
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Is this really necessary.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
The bottom line is we were 4-2 ready to push fro the division lead, then we lost our qb and the season went with him. This is common ion the nfl, when you lose the most important player and team leader.
We crawled to the finish and were lucky to pick up another few wins. All those people that want to ignore the mind numbing turnovers can do so, but dont comlain next year when they continue.
Is there any evidence from the last several years that palmer will suddenly learn not to turn over the football? His picks are terrible and have killed are season along with the terrible defense.
Palmer is lucky not to have 25 picks in eight starts!!! turn a blind eye to it if you must, but i will continue to remind everyone of his failings until he can correct it.
THE PALMER TRADE WAS A FLOP
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
“Thurman, one of Ryan’s most-trusted assistants, had another year on his contract, which is why the Jets could block the interview.”
That was from last January, so did he renew his contract or is he a “Free Agent”…?.
It would be shocking if he did renew knowing the Raiders wanted to give him the DC position last year, hopefully he and Hue had an understanding that he’d be hired for next season.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
@253=DMAC. Gio f-ing sucks. I dont care if he got picks. Guy cant tackle to save his life. We need a major upgrade in the safety position.
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What did Huffy do this season???????
NADA!
Can Huffy tackle? Pleeeease don’t say yes.
Gio was playing hurt on the field many times.
The dude gots heart and gives it his ultimate all! PERIOD!
I’ll take a full squad of Gio’s on my team, instead of these fake azz players on the team just collecting checks!
Not bad for a 2-3rd string player coming into camp making chump change.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
268.L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Our offense what not the problem this year. If you think that it was, i have to say your a moron. The D lost us most our games.
^^^^^^^^
Yep. Some of the people in here are morons who believe the offense was the problem with this team this year.
People who say Hue lost the locker room are morons also.
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DK we were 1-4 and easily could have been 0-5 to end the season. Were we not the worst 4th quarter offense in the league at some point late in the season? That is not good.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“If the Raiders had an average defense, we would have won the division after that Detroit game or even if we won the Buffalo game or the 2nd Denver game at home and even the last game versus the Chargers.
I get tired of repeating myself to people who are blind.”
So true!!!!!!
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That’s true, but that doesn’t mean all is well elsewhere on the team.
The ENTIRE team didn’t show up for several games this season. It is no surprise Green Bay’s offense destroyed the defense, but where was the Raiders offense in that game? Where was it in Miami? How do you get down 34-0 in both of those games?
Also, the offense only put up one FG in the second half of Detroit. If they could have even managed ONE MORE FG that day, the Raiders are division champs. ONE MORE FKN FIELD GOAL!!! That’s all they needed. LMAO
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
273.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Dknight,
Be a man and name the racist guys in this blog.
^^^^^^^
Really?? You have been on this blog long enough to see the racist comments said in here by some haven’t you? You must have not been around during the Jamarcus Russell days or even last year with Campbell as the QB? Or even earlier this year before Campbell got hurt?
When they spew their racist comments again, then I will take note of what their “names” are. Unless the moderator has already kicked them out?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
263. Your raider blog is a joke.
DVD?! Really? That guys a pu-zz-ay. His tackling makes DeAgelo Hall look like Ray Lewis.
Flashes of brilliance? Puh-lease. You never even watched the games.
Tommy Kelly washed up and no heart? Thats when I stopped reading your stupid BS.
Clueless Raider BS. No wonder fans have a hard time keeping up with this team with know nothings like this and bleacher report.
Heres washed up Kelly’s stats for the year moron.
DT Tommy Kelly. Kelly led the Raiders with a career-high 7 ½ sacks. He had 41 tackles and more sacks than any other defensive tackle in the NFL except Cincinnati’s Geno Atkins, who had 8.0. Kelly was a force in the middle, collapsing pockets. He also forced two fumbles, had his first career interception and defensed five passes.
Pfft…
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Ok, Mystic…who would you have gotten as QB? Just asking because, correct me if I’m wrong, but there was no one else! We probably, maybe woudl have won one more game with Boller at the helm, or we would have sent in pryor knowing he wasn’t ready. I remember Gerrards name coming up, then he had to have surgery or something like that…
I mean, I wish we coudl do something to get JC back and use the old cliche’ of you cannot lose your job to injury, but that too seems very far fetched!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Yes palmer was awful this year. 13 tds vs 16 ints ( at least 12 dropped picks) in only eight starts!?!?!
How is this anything other than awful?
The defense we knew was bad but it is the same defense that was 4-2. When our qb went down the season was lost.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Mistic1 give it up man all your soap box posturing for Campbell will not work.
Hue said yesterday in his presser that he is tied to Palmer’s hip.
Something you argued with me all day about one fine day in here. The proof is in the pudding I was right you were wrong.
Now Campbell is thinking about staying on as a backup and that’s cool because it will keep you active next year but it also shows there are no teams out there that are willing to give him a starting job.
Face it your guy is now a backup in this league.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
284.Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
268.L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Our offense what not the problem this year. If you think that it was, i have to say your a moron. The D lost us most our games.
^^^^^^^^
Yep. Some of the people in here are morons who believe the offense was the problem with this team this year.
People who say Hue lost the locker room are morons also.
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DK we were 1-4 and easily could have been 0-5 to end the season. Were we not the worst 4th quarter offense in the league at some point late in the season? That is not good.
^^^^^^^^
Can’t win and the team doesn’t deserve the payoffs when your Defense blows 21 point half leads and then allows teams to score on 75, 97 and then 99 yard drives in your own house when you need a win to get to playoffs.
Pathetic.
Defense wins championships.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
285. really? REALLY?!
“Where was the O? We were down 34-0 in 2 games” Yeah, that was because of the D, all those missing players O made it hard to play catch up with a mid way new QB.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Jacoby Ford, in particular, seemed to have communication issues with Palmer.
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GG,
probably because Ford was injured as soon as Palmer had a grasp of the offense.
first game back from injury, Ford runs the wrong route or slips and Palmer gets picked. who wanted that friggin smurf on the shelf in WK17?
this guy!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
the season went bad whem dmac started to listen to his agent and not take a chance on getting a worse injury before his next contract.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic, you gotta let go on JC man. I liked Jason too, but it’s over. There’s no reason to keep on like this.
Hue traded 2012 and 2013 picks for Palmer. He will be the starting QB next season. There’s no question about it. You need to accept it and move on.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Palmer was alright this season, but I would hate to see what Campbell could do w/ this Offense w/out DMAC.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Now Campbell is thinking about staying on as a backup and that’s cool because it will keep you active next year but it also shows there are no teams out there that are willing to give him a starting job.
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Link?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
DT Tommy Kelly. Kelly led the Raiders with a career-high 7 ½ sacks. He had 41 tackles and more sacks than any other defensive tackle in the NFL except Cincinnati’s Geno Atkins, who had 8.0. Kelly was a force in the middle, collapsing pockets. He also forced two fumbles, had his first career interception and defensed five passes.
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anybody seen ROG?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
vcontreras@sacbee.com The Sacramento Bee
By Victor Contreras
What would Al have done about Raiders?
Would Al Davis, the deceased owner of the Raiders, fire coach Hue Jackson after his team finished the once-promising season 8-8 and missed the playoffs?
Davis didn’t hesitate to fire Tom Cable after the Raiders were 8-8 in 2010. And Cable’s Raiders played better at the end of the season than Jackson’s team.
Under Cable in 2010, the Raiders were 5-6 before finishing 3-2 while beating three division opponents to complete a 6-0 sweep of the AFC West.
Despite Cable’s ability to get his players to keep charging down the stretch, Cable was fired.
Under Jackson, the Raiders started 7-4 and were in control of the AFC West. But in the final five games, the Raiders went 1-4 while scoring an average of 19.8 points and allowing 31.8. The Denver Broncos won the division, despite losing their final three games.
When the 2010 season ended, Cable was proud of his team for not giving up, and he accepted the blame.
After the Raiders lost to San Diego on Sunday, Jackson threw his team under the bus. He blamed them for not playing harder with the playoffs on the line, saying he was “angry” at his players, and he pointed his finger at defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan.
Jackson blamed everybody but the man in the mirror, but the Raiders weren’t ready to play Sunday because Jackson didn’t have them ready.
The Raiders enter their first offseason without Davis, who fired eight head coaches after the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
Mark Davis, Al’s son, and team CEO Amy Trask will decide Jackson’s fate. Will they wonder what Al would have done?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
289.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Yes palmer was awful this year. 13 tds vs 16 ints ( at least 12 dropped picks) in only eight starts!?!?!
How is this anything other than awful?
The defense we knew was bad but it is the same defense that was 4-2. When our qb went down the season was lost.
^^^^^^^^
Not bad for a QB who had no training camp and got up off the couch mid season and had to learn a whole new playbook.
Palmer gave the team a fighting chance at the playoffs and the crappy pathetic play of the DEFENSE betrayed the team and fans this year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Knight,
Just saying of you are going to make comments like that then at least back them up and have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping generalizations. Your comment basically makes you look like anyone u see advocating for hue Jackson to be fired must be a racist.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would hate to see what Campbell could do w/ this Offense w/out DMAC
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we’ve seen it. run the tape!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
298.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
DT Tommy Kelly. Kelly led the Raiders with a career-high 7 ½ sacks. He had 41 tackles and more sacks than any other defensive tackle in the NFL except Cincinnati’s Geno Atkins, who had 8.0. Kelly was a force in the middle, collapsing pockets. He also forced two fumbles, had his first career interception and defensed five passes.
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anybody seen ROG?
LOL, Brien probably took some time off…he was pissed the last time I saw him, which was what? 2nd qtr maybe???
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
“If the Raiders had an average defense, we would have won the division after that Detroit game or even if we won the Buffalo game or the 2nd Denver game at home and even the last game versus the Chargers.
I get tired of repeating myself to people who are blind.”
So true!!!!!!
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That’s true, but that doesn’t mean all is well elsewhere on the team.
The ENTIRE team didn’t show up for several games this season. It is no surprise Green Bay’s offense destroyed the defense, but where was the Raiders offense in that game? Where was it in Miami? How do you get down 34-0 in both of those games?
Also, the offense only put up one FG in the second half of Detroit. If they could have even managed ONE MORE FG that day, the Raiders are division champs. ONE MORE FKN FIELD GOAL!!! That’s all they needed. LMAO
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Raiding Texas that is what I am trying to figure out. It’s not like we had the #1 offense in the league. It’s not like we had a terrible defense that somehow the last five weeks got dramatically better. We had an average offense last year, we had an average offense this year. With much better players. Our defense was decent last year, horrible this year. Our record was the same but last year we had momentum coming in, next year we are going to have questions coming in. Lot of questions. And everyone seems fine with this.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Tommy Kelly = one-trick pony, undisciplined, inept against the run, had one good season before Seymour was plugged in next to him.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Yes palmer was awful this year. 13 tds vs 16 ints ( at least 12 dropped picks) in only eight starts!?!?!
How is this anything other than awful?
The defense we knew was bad but it is the same defense that was 4-2. When our qb went down the season was lost.
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When we lost Campbell AND D mac our season was lost. Losing Shaughnessy week 3 was a massive loss.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
al would rightly fire huey at the drop of a hat…he would not accept this cr@p on the field
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
273.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Dknight,
Be a man and name the racist guys in this blog.
^^^^^^^
Really?? You have been on this blog long enough to see the racist comments said in here by some haven’t you? You must have not been around during the Jamarcus Russell days or even last year with Campbell as the QB? Or even earlier this year before Campbell got hurt?
When they spew their racist comments again, then I will take note of what their “names” are. Unless the moderator has already kicked them out??
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
You are a lying POS.
I went round and round with you and tj about Rob Ryan back when you were on your OakGlenn account. You and tj defended Rob Ryan like he was your step daddy.
Jack wagon
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
No I didn’t. But Jamista Clown you are the noted blog moron. Accept the fact and sit in the corner in your vomit.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Palmer gave the team a fighting chance at the playoffs and the crappy pathetic play of the DEFENSE betrayed the team and fans this year.
That right there said it all…but yes, he did have a lot of pics, his timing wasn’t fully down with his WRs, and … oh what the heck…
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
263. Your raider blog is a joke.
DVD?! Really? That guys a pu-zz-ay. His tackling makes DeAgelo Hall look like Ray Lewis.
Flashes of brilliance? Puh-lease. You never even watched the games.
Tommy Kelly washed up and no heart? Thats when I stopped reading your stupid BS.
Clueless Raider BS. No wonder fans have a hard time keeping up with this team with know nothings like this and bleacher report.
Heres washed up Kelly’s stats for the year moron.
DT Tommy Kelly. Kelly led the Raiders with a career-high 7 ½ sacks. He had 41 tackles and more sacks than any other defensive tackle in the NFL except Cincinnati’s Geno Atkins, who had 8.0. Kelly was a force in the middle, collapsing pockets. He also forced two fumbles, had his first career interception and defensed five passes.
Pfft…
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FK Kelly!
He needs to go.
Trade his ass for a draft pick.
Dude decides when he wants to play. Just collecting checks.
Dude should be making waaay more plays, playing next to Seymour.
Its time to come fresh on the D!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
307.firehue Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
al would rightly fire huey at the drop of a hat…he would not accept this cr@p on the field
^^^^^^^^^
Yeah and then he would hire
….wait…..for…..it…..CHUCK BRESNAHAN AS HEAD COACH!! LOL
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would hate to see what Campbell could do w/ this Offense w/out DMAC
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we’ve seen it. run the tape!
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An entire season though.
OUCH!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:24 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
“Where was the O? We were down 34-0 in 2 games” Yeah, that was because of the D, all those missing players O made it hard to play catch up with a mid way new QB.
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So it’s all the defense’s fault that the Raiders offense did absolutely nothing on its first 8 drives in Miami. It’s also on the defense that the Raiders offense did nothing on its first 7 drives against Green Bay.
Brilliant.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Mistic, you gotta let go on JC man. I liked Jason too, but it’s over. There’s no reason to keep on like this.
Hue traded 2012 and 2013 picks for Palmer. He will be the starting QB next season. There’s no question about it. You need to accept it and move on.
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Letting Jc go would only compound the mistake. Palmer was overvalued, and isnt nearly as good as this blog thinks he is. Look at his turn overs numbers from the last several seasons if you dont trust my position.
No matter what JC decides to do, palmer isnt the answer. Even if Jc leaves I still wouldnt want this turnover machine as a our qb. He sucks
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
301.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Knight,
Just saying of you are going to make comments like that then at least back them up and have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping generalizations. Your comment basically makes you look like anyone u see advocating for hue Jackson to be fired must be a racist.
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I second the motion.
You got something to say, say it, otherwise shove it up your azz.
For you to say that people who criticize Jackson are racist is crap.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
298.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
DT Tommy Kelly. Kelly led the Raiders with a career-high 7 ½ sacks. He had 41 tackles and more sacks than any other defensive tackle in the NFL except Cincinnati’s Geno Atkins, who had 8.0. Kelly was a force in the middle, collapsing pockets. He also forced two fumbles, had his first career interception and defensed five passes.
***
anybody seen ROG?
LOL, Brien probably took some time off…he was pissed the last time I saw him, which was what? 2nd qtr maybe???
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B was so fk’n pissed off after the game. Dropped him off at his chicks house after the game.
Dude is devastated.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
16 picks in eight starts is good enough for you guys?
Que the excuses
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
DMAC Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I would hate to see what Campbell could do w/ this Offense w/out DMAC
***
we’ve seen it. run the tape!
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An entire season though.
OUCH!
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Campbell was spared the indignity this year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I think they should definitely try and keep JC as a backup if they can.
JC will not get big time starter money, so might as well stay with Raiders.
NFL teams need a good backup QB these days. Look what happened with the Texans. Losing Schaub might have cost them a shot at the Super Bowl.
Look what happened with the Raiders?
The Raiders would have completely folded if Boller would have remained the QB of this team after JC went down!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
299. Go **** yourself Victor.
What a jerk off. “Oh, Cable got fired even though he led this team to wins down the stretch at the end of seasons!”
Cable got fired cuz he was an under producing wife beating, assistant punching jack ass who had the gall to bring ONE of the women that publicly accused him of beating her on the trip to Miami where we got killed by a 2nd string CB and 3rd string WRs.
“cable was proud of his team”
Yes, WE remember even if you don;t you ****ing hack.
“8-8. can’t call us losers anymore!”
What a F’ing joke. Suggesting Al would fire Hue? cable would’ve imploded with all the **** Hue had to deal with this year.
Again, **** you Victor Cntrerass. What a lame, unbackable piece of cr-ap that “article” was.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Peace!
I’m gone!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Tell me Steve is just fvckin with us:
cork, i think the raiders are waiting to long and should fire breshnahan today. i think hue is what this team needs, but he needs to focus more on hc responsibilites. what are you thughts
Tuesday January 3, 2012 12:25 rick
12:25 No hurry on the Bresnahan front. Always wait until the second year before judging a coach. He gets a pass this season, given he had so much to deal with, so much to learn.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
B was so fk’n pissed off after the game. Dropped him off at his chicks house after the game.
Dude is devastated.
I know DMAC! i was calling for everyone’s FN head by half time…by friggen half time I knew we were gonna lose, with a slim ray of hope!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Its reading some of the ****ty links about the Raiders some of you post that makes me appreciate IBA so much. even though Steve wrong too often, at least they have real insight and deal with reality most of the time.
Jay -zuz what a bunch of crap links. No wonder people are confused about Oakland.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Cork is either clueless or lying through his teeth to make this statement.
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Tuesday January 3, 2012 12:25 rick
12:25 No hurry on the Bresnahan front. Always wait until the second year before judging a coach. He gets a pass this season, given he had so much to deal with, so much to learn.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
323. Zero point in firing Bres right now. Remember? Al used to wait till AFTER the super bowl to contact people because you can;t till after the season and some of the guys you’re gonna wanna take to are likely in the play offs right?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RedDogRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
301.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Knight,
Just saying of you are going to make comments like that then at least back them up and have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping generalizations. Your comment basically makes you look like anyone u see advocating for hue Jackson to be fired must be a racist.
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I second the motion.
You got something to say, say it, otherwise shove it up your azz.
For you to say that people who criticize Jackson are racist is crap
^^^^^^^^
I said SOME people who are criticizing Hue have their racist agenda I NEVER said all.
They have been saying their racist crap on this blog before, just like the people who have spewed racist crap about Jamarcus Russell and Jason Campbell.
For some of you to deny this exists in this blog are blind, foolish and stupid tools!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
You are a lying POS.
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Jamista Clown you wanted Janikowsky gone. He went to the Pro Bowl. You wanted Seymour gone. He went to the Pro Bowl. You wanted DHB cut. He had his best season, almost 1000 yards. Please go back to the Cleveland Browns where losers like yourself suck each other off.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game. HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus. THe D-coaching and certain D Players were a major liability. We are not elite, on offense but we were at least effective when they had the majority of the injuries.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
320. Are you serious? Teams are desperate for QBs and Campbell is a ghost.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Cork is either clueless or lying through his teeth to make this statement.
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Everyone is a liar but you. You are the biggest piece of sh** on Earth. Go put your Cleveland Browns dog mask on and bark like a hound you pig.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Cork is either clueless or lying through his teeth to make this statement.
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Tuesday January 3, 2012 12:25 rick
12:25 No hurry on the Bresnahan front. Always wait until the second year before judging a coach. He gets a pass this season, given he had so much to deal with, so much to learn
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Agreed.
How does Breshahan get a pass?
Al hired him because no one else would take the job and because he could tell him what to do.
At the time, Breshahan wasn’t even working in the NFL and that should happen again.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Tuesday January 3, 2012 12:25 rick
12:25 No hurry on the Bresnahan front. Always wait until the second year before judging a coach. He gets a pass this season, given he had so much to deal with, so much to learn.
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Part of this must have been about Jackson not Bresnahan.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
330. Yup
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
RedDogRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
301.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Knight,
Just saying of you are going to make comments like that then at least back them up and have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping generalizations. Your comment basically makes you look like anyone u see advocating for hue Jackson to be fired must be a racist.
————————–
I second the motion.
You got something to say, say it, otherwise shove it up your azz.
For you to say that people who criticize Jackson are racist is crap
^^^^^^^^
I said SOME people who are criticizing Hue have their racist agenda I NEVER said all. Pay attention.
They have been saying their racist crap on this blog before, just like the people who have spewed racist crap about Jamarcus Russell and Jason Campbell.
For SOME of you to deny this exists in this blog are blind, foolish and stupid!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I want you gone you FK’n imbecile. Whoever Janikowsy is. I guess you meant Janikowski?
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Jamista Clown you wanted Janikowsky gone.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
328.DKnight007 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RedDogRaider Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
301.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Knight,
Just saying of you are going to make comments like that then at least back them up and have the courage to name names instead of making sweeping generalizations. Your comment basically makes you look like anyone u see advocating for hue Jackson to be fired must be a racist.
————————–
I second the motion.
You got something to say, say it, otherwise shove it up your azz.
For you to say that people who criticize Jackson are racist is crap
^^^^^^^^
I said SOME people who are criticizing Hue have their racist agenda I NEVER said all.
They have been saying their racist crap on this blog before, just like the people who have spewed racist crap about Jamarcus Russell and Jason Campbell.
For some of you to deny this exists in this blog are blind, foolish and stupid tools!
———————————-
Again with this crap?!
Then name them so they can answer you.
Otherwise shut the fuk up about it!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
323. Zero point in firing Bres right now. Remember? Al used to wait till AFTER the super bowl to contact people because you can;t till after the season and some of the guys you’re gonna wanna take to are likely in the play offs right?
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As a matter of fact MOST of the guys you want to contact are in the playoffs right now.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
HWNRDR,AFTER THE NON SAFTEY CALL AND THE CHARGER 99.9 YARD DRIVE.I WAS SO CLOSE TO GOING BALISTIC I WALKED OUT TO THE PARKING LOT.LEFT THE STADIUM.1ST TIME I HAVE EVER LEFT A GAME (BESIDES PRESEASON) EARL;Y IN MY LIFE.A APOLOGISE TO U AND THE REST OF THE NATION..JUST COULD NOT TAKE IT..
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Well when you know your Defense sucks, I’m sure that had something to do with some picks from Carson.
How about an offseason for Carson?
And a consistent running game for Carson?
I’m not saying Carson can be Drew Bree’s but with a healthy Dmac or a healthy running game, Carson has shown he still has a strong arm and last week he played great!
That pick last week was on Ford!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I want you gone you FK’n imbecile. Whoever Janikowsy is. I guess you meant Janikowski?
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Why would you want him gone? He is a future potential Hall of Famer? Unless YOU are a Grade A moron.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Hate speech from the ever tolerant and sensitive left wing.
lmao @ Libtards @ the off the charts hypocrisy.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You are the biggest piece of sh** on Earth. Go put your Cleveland Browns dog mask on and bark like a hound you pig
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Palmer is a failure. We need a better qb, and the search should begin now, along with the search for a gm and d coordinator
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
From the chat . . .
12:37
Comment From The JFB
What Raider player under contract would have the highest trade value? I am thinking Matt S or D Moore, based on salary and production. I don’t want to trade D-Mac, because I don’t think we would get anything more than a 3rd rounder for him.
12:37
Darren McFadden.
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AGREED! Cork, I’ve been saying it all along! DMac is the best guy to trade and get back draft picks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Dknight,
There could be racists on this blog, but if you are going to make claims like that then just have the courage to name names if you feel that comments about someone are just race based. Don’t be a puzzy. Name names is all I am saying.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Peymour Glen, the biggest POS on this earth is your Mom for bringing you into this world and your Dad is no 2 for nutting in her.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
He threw for 400 yards yesterday and his only Int was because Ford fell down coming out of his route.
What is your malfunction?
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Palmer is a failure.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@344 Mistic1 Tha Supavillain….I reiterate….Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game. HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus. THe D-coaching and certain D Players were a major liability. We are not elite, on offense but we were at least effective when they had the majority of the injuries.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game. HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus.
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untrue,
palmer was unable to throw the defense out of the 8 man box, this is why we saw bush’s production drop so dramatically.
Teams figured out that they could load the box and bring pressure and force palmer to win with his arm. Palmer threw so many picks in these situations that teams saw no need to change. palmers picks are just as guilty as the defense if not more so.
when you have a bad defense protecting the ball is paramount, but palmer never grasped it. We won despite his turnovers vs kc and sd, but more often than not it hurt us.
he needs to go
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Corkran did not say Bres gets a pass. He was responding to the second part of the question, regarding Hue. Learn to read, folks.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Carson Palmer completed passes that I have never seen a raider qb make in all my years as a fan.
I’ll roll with him over a qb like Campbell who gave us zero chance to win the sb.
With a good d and fewer injuries to our playmakers, and a full offseason to work with those playmakers, I have full confidence that Palmer could take us all the way.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
@Mistic1 Tha Supavillain….If thats what you believe, who is an upgrade to Palmer?
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Jamista take off that stupid Cleveland Browns dog mask. No one can understand what your mumbling.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Carson Palmer completed passes that I have never seen a raider qb make in all my years as a fan.
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I don’t know if you saw some of those completions live, but those throws were things of beauty. Mistic is huffing glue here if he really believes what he is posting.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
He threw for 400 yards yesterday and his only Int was because Ford fell down coming out of his route.
What is your malfunction?
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L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@344 Mistic1 Tha Supavillain….I reiterate….Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game.
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in my view 16 picks in 8 starts is god awful, he is lucky not to have 25 picks.
If that is good enough for people on this blog, that is your choice.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Carson Palmer completed passes that I have never seen a raider qb make in all my years as a fan.
I’ll roll with him over a qb like Campbell who gave us zero chance to win the sb.
With a good d and fewer injuries to our playmakers, and a full offseason to work with those playmakers, I have full confidence that Palmer could take us all the way.
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injuries and defense have nothing to do with the qb throwing picks like rice at a wedding.
16 picks in 8 starts simply wont cut it
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game. HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus.
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untrue,
palmer was unable to throw the defense out of the 8 man box, this is why we saw bush’s production drop so dramatically.
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No. Teams knew exactly what we were going to do. There was little if any invention to the playcalling. We became sadly predictable. Another indictment of Jackson.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Mistic 1,
Your claim that defenses were playing 8 men in the box against palmer regularly is an outright fabrication and u know it.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus.
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I’m not going to get into the Palmer argument. But blaming Bush is asinine. This is a passing league. The top three teams in the league – GB, NE and NO – don’t have much in the way of rushing threats either. They move the ball downfield through the air.
NE’s Green-Ellis longest run was 18 yards. GB’s Grant longest was 47 yards – against the Raiders. That was twice his second longest run of the season. Bush had average yards per carry similar to those guys. NO’s Sproles longest was 36 yards. Bush had a 44 yard run.
If this team moved toward a pass first concept, Bush would be a perfectly serviceable RB. And he seems to stay healthy more than DMac does.
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
“If anything, it’s you, the fans, who have the right to pass judgment. In the end, he isn’t lying to me or my colleagues, he is lying to you. ”
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Steve beats us over the head with his decades of writing experience yet can’t figure out HCs need to “lie” as part of strategy.
Steve has a bias and WORSE, hes wrong too often., Jerry Mac smokes his azz
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Palmer with no training camp kept us in games with no good receivers (DHB exempt) and no run game. HE WAS NOT THE PROBLEM. Bush inability to threaten any Defense made the passing game thier focus.
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untrue,
palmer was unable to throw the defense out of the 8 man box, this is why we saw bush’s production drop so dramatically.
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No. Teams knew exactly what we were going to do. There was little if any invention to the playcalling. We became sadly predictable. Another indictment of Jackson.
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sorry but this isnt true. We have been known as a run first team for the last few years, and it wasnt a problem when we were 4-2. The problem showed up when the new qb was unable to beat the loaded box and pressure he faced in the pass rush. Take the first sd game, palmer hit a couple of deep passes and bush ran wild. Once teams figured out that palmer was just as likley to turn the ball over as he was to hit a receiver, they decided to load the box and force palmer to win it.
he failed miserably
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
we were 11th in the league on D last year with the same players minus Nnamdi and Shaughnessey. Get a new DC, resign our own, sign a vet CB and a NT, and we’re in the playoffs. Don’t blow the whole thing up and start over, our team has had too of that especially since Jim Harbaughs aren’t easy to find
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
358. Injuries and new additions limited the play book. HELLO!!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Mistic 1,
Your claim that defenses were playing 8 men in the box against palmer regularly is an outright fabrication and u know it.
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this is what teams have been doing, focusing on stopping our run game. The offense made teams pay last year in a few games and early this year, forcing defenses to play a more balanced defense. When jc went down and palmer started his hurricane of interceptions, teams played mainly 8 man fronts on first down, and brought heat on passing downs.
Look at the game film. Hu jack even said after the game that the chargers loaded the box with 8 man fronts most of the game after our first drive.
The truth hurts
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
So I guess Mistic is off the “Hue and Jason Campbell are working in harmony” theories, lol.
Less than 3 months after posting that on and on, good chance both won’t be here next year.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Watching Bresnahan call ineffective, easy to read zone blitzes for Rivers and cover two time and time again against the Chargers, (and Detroit) despite their ineffectiveness, confirmed my suspicions. That he is not a competent D Coordiantor! They just need a competent leader.
That guy is pathetic!
Get us a REAL DC like Del Rio or Spagnolo and turn this damn defense around get back to playing REAL defense!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I am watching the game right now, and we NEVER saw 8 man fronts, other than in short yardage situations.
NEVER
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
3 years now you are re posting this idiotic nonsense?
lmao
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Jamista take off that stupid Cleveland Browns dog mask. No one can understand what your mumbling.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Well u can’t fix stupid. Keep up you delusions mistic 1, the majority of us will continue to get a good laugh from u.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
I am just fast-forwarding from play to play just to look at alignments.
We have 3 WR’s in the game for most of the second half, sometimes 4 wides when we split out Reece or Boss.
Chargers have 5 DB’s in the game most of the time.
This is actually a huge strike against our O-line and Mike Bush, that they can’t break a long-gainer with all these DB’s on the field.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
12:45
Comment From peter r
the raiders finished 9th in offense and 29th in def. Do you know what the pen ration breakdown off to def was? My bet 70% def and the rest off and speicial teams
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9th in yards per game on offense, 16th in points. That is the more-telling stat.
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Truth, Cork! 16th in points!!! That’s not a TOP offense. LOL!
This is why you get paid specifically to write about Raiders. The rest of us get paid by our employers to shirk duties and post here.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Well u can’t fix stupid.
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Tell that to Jamista Clown. He thinks if he pounds his useless head against a brick wall he will somehow get smarter.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
346.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Dknight,
There could be racists on this blog, but if you are going to make claims like that then just have the courage to name names if you feel that comments about someone are just race based. Don’t be a puzzy. Name names is all I am saying.
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What? You can’t read the racist chit that has been spewed on this blog before Dakota??
Do I have to hold our hand across the street also you little girl?
Yeah, I will monitor the dumb racist chit that has been said on this blog time and time again and I will name “names”, and I will waste my time just for you!
Get the f**k outta here with that crap!
When the racist idiots start spewing their crap again when I am on this blog, I will try and point them out….just for you. Idiot.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Steve said in his chat that Ron Wolf is helping with the GM process, out of respect and loyalty to Al.
Thoughts RMR? I though you said Wolf hated Al?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Vegas,
It is clear that mistic 1 has an agenda and will make stuff up to try and defend his position….or he can’t count lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Dakota,
Be a man and stop being a blind azz lazy w u ussy and find the racist bloggers your damn self!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Bush needs to break some of these tackles.
First guy is bringing him down on every carry.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Cork is an idiot he’s not even a raider fan.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Bush averaged more than 4 yards per carry just once in the last seven games (4.3 against Detroit).
He will be 28 years old when the 2012 season starts. I’d like to have him back, and we need a good set of backup RBs with McFadden’s injury history. But, especially considering the supply of quality backs available at the minimum salary, I wouldn’t bother franchising Bush or offering him more than a deal in the $3-4 million per year range.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I think we overpaid for Palmer, and in hindsight maybe we should have just took our medicine like the Bears did and not mortgage the future.
I think Palmer throws some beatiful passes and is definately waaaaay better than Soup, but just like Campbell, there seems to be something just a little off with this guy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Dirt Lot, no worries, brother! I was pissed at halftime!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I don’t believe Palmer will be throwing all those picks next year after training camp… A healthy backfield and his recieving corps healthy… Not to mention him not just jumping off the couch ….
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Knight,
Sorry asking u to man up and have courage got your panties in such a bunch. What a coward lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Bush is 28 going on 35.
He has a steel rod in his leg, is heavy and bald.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Chuck B not fired yet?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Vegas,
I hate losing draft picks too, but had the defense managed to stop a couple of 99 yard drives late in the year the team might have been 10-6 and hosting a playoff game in a few days and we both would probably feel a lot better about not having a forts round pick this April.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
What do we make of Steve’s claims that Huff is moving full-time to CB next year?
It usually goes the other way CB to Safety.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Bresnahans been employed far to long….but we may have to wait for the New GM to fire Chuck
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
384.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Knight,
Sorry asking u to man up and have courage got your panties in such a bunch. What a coward lol.
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Poor little girl Dakota….I called some of the people who hate on Hue Jackson racists, because of the racial crap some have said in the past about him and other players and you take it personal and get defensive about it and try and tell me to “man up and names names” just for you? Did I hit a button Dakota?
Looks like your panties got all wet after I mentioned racists!
If your not a racist, don’t worry about it Dakota girl!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Repost:
Mistic1 give it up man all your soap box posturing for Campbell will not work.
Hue said yesterday in his presser that he is tied to Palmer’s hip.
Something you argued with me all day about one fine day in here. The proof is in the pudding I was right you were wrong.
Now Campbell is thinking about staying on as a backup and that’s cool because it will keep you active next year but it also shows there are no teams out there that are willing to give him a starting job.
Face it your guy is now a backup in this league.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
I am watching the game right now, and we NEVER saw 8 man fronts, other than in short yardage situations.
NEVER
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who gives a fugg what you think you saw? Ill take hu jack at his word
thanks
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Dakota,
Well…..that’s why I said in hindsight, lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Yeah Hue Jackson’s words really go far these days, lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:21 pm
this is what teams have been doing, focusing on stopping our run game. The offense made teams pay last year in a few games and early this year, forcing defenses to play a more balanced defense. When jc went down and palmer started his hurricane of interceptions, teams played mainly 8 man fronts on first down, and brought heat on passing downs.
Look at the game film. Hu jack even said after the game that the chargers loaded the box with 8 man fronts most of the game after our first drive.
The truth hurts
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-jc 299 yard plus passing games as a Raider= 4, CP= 5
-jc games as a Raider with 100+ passer rating without having 100 yards rushing as an offense=0, Cp=4
-jc passer rating in games started 2010=84.5 2011=84.2, Cp in 2011=87.9
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Why don’t you flip the game on, and I don’t know, form your own opinion?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:23 pm
God I hate Corks freakin “Chat” sessions..Dude answer’s lameass softball questions, but when I ask him a real football question or 5 I get freakin ignored. Dude drives me nuts..
Its like the chat is for his entertainment purposes only..
Regardless…I am worried that we are going to wait wayyyyyyy too long to hire a GM, and then let the good coordinators get snapped up.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
fingers Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I don’t believe Palmer will be throwing all those picks next year after training camp…
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this seems to be the wishful thinking that most on the blog follow.
I would like to point out that palmer has been over 20 picks at least 3 times in his career, and it would be four if defenders had not dropped 12 picks this year.
I dont see any evidence that suggest he will be anything other than the turn over machine he has been this year.
Remember he was in the same offense year after year in cincy, and still couldnt manage to avoid turning it over. It isnt the playbook its palmers trouble reading the defense and making terrible decisions.
Palmer must go, we need to upgrade the qb spot for certain
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Knight,
Lol, gee how did I know u would go there? I had no idea u were such a little pzzy knight. Just tired of idiots like u playing the race card and then being to pzzy to name names.
Man up or shut up about it coward.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
-jc 299 yard plus passing games as a Raider= 4, CP= 5
-jc games as a Raider with 100+ passer rating without having 100 yards rushing as an offense=0, Cp=4
-jc passer rating in games started 2010=84.5 2011=84.2, Cp in 2011=87.9
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JC – winner in Oakland
JaCarson Pickner – LOser in OAkland
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Palmer will stay, and we will upgrade the HC position.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I do partly blame Bush. The Raiders were a run first team. That changed when Bush took over. I like the guy, but he is not an every down back.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
There goes Mistic with his “dropped” INT tallies.
This stat only applies to Carson Palmer and Bruce Gradkowski however. Stats on “Dropped” INT’s by Jason Campbell are not researched.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
“Palmer must go, we need to upgrade the qb spot for certain”
You need to find another team to root for because Palmer and Hue are tied at the hip.
The end!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Mystic… Palmers not going anywhere but under center next year…..and if I couldn’t hope for our Qb to do better next year after a full camp and healthy recievers and RBs I would bother having opinions…. Yes, I want our team to progress… How bout you…. Your whinning is Nonsense … Campbells leaving …
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
JFB,
Palmer sucks, just like i told you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
—”The Raiders reportedly plan to move FS Michael Huff back to cornerback in 2012. Huff was considered a corner/safety hybrid entering the league, but the switch is a lot to ask six years into his career. It’s the “first of many changes expected in the offseason,” says beat writer Steve Corkran. Defensive boss Chuck Bresnahan is full expected to be fired after failing to maximize his talent in 2011″—
Krist!! we have been calling for this for more than 4 years!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Raider J Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:28 pm
12 coaching changes since ‘83. Championship franchises don’t build their program by changing leadership every 2.3 years.
I wish Hue much success for many years to come.
2011
8-8, week 17 missed playoff opportunity,
small step forward but below standard
2012
Playoff bid or bust
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
fingers Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Mystic… Palmers not going anywhere but under center next year…..and if I couldn’t hope for our Qb to do better next year after a full camp and healthy recievers and RBs I would bother having opinions…. Yes, I want our team to progress… How bout you…. Your whinning is Nonsense … Campbells leaving …
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Too bad JC was under valued because we are stuck with a lemon.
Regardless of what happens to jC Palmer isnt the answer. So many people are upset because they wanted him to be some elite qb, but it just isnt the case.
He stinks and i told this blog that very thing when he signed on.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer sucks, just like i told you.
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Jason Campbell didn’t win anything in Oakland and is now an NFL backup, just like I told you.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Mystic… The price paid for Palmer dictates that he’s gonna be here for at minimum 2 more years….all your moaning and complaining about something that’s already a done deal is silly ..and a waste of your time… Me.. I don’t care … I know he’s our Qb for the next 2 or 3 years… Barring an injury.. Better get on board .. Or just cut and paste all that whinning
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
I hope JaCarson improves with a year under his belt in this offense . I will give him and Hue another year to prove something . After that if no improvement they both need to go !
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
JC – winner in Oakland
JaCarson Pickner – LOser in OAkland
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how many games did JC win without 100 yards rushing as a team? =1 how many did CP win? =2
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
we’ll see how good JC is next year
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Typical of Mistic to count everything as over before it really has started.
Palmer sucks and is a lemon. After 10 games…..SMH.
Just like Hue, Al and Campbell were in perfect harmony, and Campbell will be the QB for 4-5 more years right?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Lmn,
When reports say the “raiders” plan on doing this and that, who the hell is the person claiming to be the raiders at this point? Hue?
We need a gm right the fk now baby! Get Reggie mckenzie under contract today before other decisions like this are made! Huff at cb is a joke!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer sucks, just like i told you.
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Jason Campbell didn’t win anything in Oakland and is now an NFL backup, just like I told you.
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Jc isnt an issue he will leave and start for another team. HUe jack made a major mistake, but it can be fixed.
Palmer and his 16 picks should be traded
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
We May findout that Palmer does indeed suck… But I’m not hoping for it… He’s not the reason the Raiders didn’t win 10 + games…. It was the defense ..
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Typical of Mistic to count everything as over before it really has started.
Palmer sucks and is a lemon. After 10 games…..SMH.
Just like Hue, Al and Campbell were in perfect harmony, and Campbell will be the QB for 4-5 more years right?
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this still stands, we were riding high, then jc goes down and the wheels come off.
Its documented history JFB, not opinion.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Mystic.. You can whine all you want…. I’m giving Palmer a fair shot before in pass judgement… And in the meantime I’m gonna hope he’s has sucess… ..
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Jc isnt an issue he will leave and start for another team.
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Not happening.
He may start 3-4 games next year for a team grooming a QB, but he will get only a 1 or 2 year contract this offseason.
The market for Soup will not be high.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Fingers Says:
We May findout that Palmer does indeed suck… But I’m not hoping for it… He’s not the reason the Raiders didn’t win 10 + games….
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Agreed. I didn’t like that Hue traded so much for him. But Palmer is clearly the QB here now. You hope for him to do well or you suck as a fan.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
this still stands, we were riding high, then jc goes down and the wheels come off.
Its documented history JFB, not opinion.
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Last I saw from Campbell, he was stumbling around and fumbling for a 3-2 team, than got hurt (again).
That is only “riding high” in your world, not mine, Al DAvis’ and the rest of Raider Nation.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
how many games did JC win without 100 yards rushing as a team? =1 how many did CP win? =2
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January 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
who’s the winner who’s the loser:
in 2010+2011 JC won exactly one game when team had less than 100 total rushing yards, CP won 2 in the 10 games he was with us
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Mistic 1,
Name the teams that would be interested in hc as a starter next season. Washington? Lol. Seattle maybe.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
CP is NOT the problem – we do need a big number one reciever type. We need to open up seperation for these sure handed little dudes to catch the ball. Need better plays to get these guys open, open open.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Jc not hc
Damn phone
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Why is Mistic so damn annoying? JC this…JC that. The dude got hurt. Out for the season (wasnt it supposed to be 6-8 weeks Mistic?).
Top 5 Reasons CP > JC
1. Can make throws JC cannot and does not have the balls to make.
2. No WTF fumbles…no deer in the headlights look
3. Shorter release time (need to research sack stats)
4. Was able to compile a better QB rating than JC coming off the couch and thrown DIRECTLY in the fire
5. Brought a confidence/swag JC just did not give off
Thank you for all youve done JC…hopefully you will stay on as THE top backup in the league…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
If we do not get a real corps of Linebackers and another Corner in here we will be having this exact same conversation next year.
Get it through some of your fat heads…the problem with this team was NOT the offense OR Carson Palmer..
The Problem with this team was the DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
The reason we missed the PLAYOFFS WAS THE DEFENSE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
We have the biggest group of pansies for a back 7 in the NFL and they consistently showed why they suck…Add that in with Chucky B’s blindfold and flail defense and here comes the packing tape…!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
JC may not get a starting gig. Matt Flynn may be a hotter commodity, as will Luck, RGIII, Landry Jones and of course Peyton if available
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
who’s the winner who’s the loser:
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The Raiders are the losers and are not in the playoffs because JaCarson throws INTS all day ! He will break the record for most INTS next year !
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
First post since the disaster. We were what…2 inches from a safety and the ball back to take the lead? One McClain taking the wrong lane later…
WTF!!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
How much longer are we gonna argue about Palmer? Seriously guys…ok, maybe he was not the answer, but I tell you what…he was not the problem either! Come on people!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Lol…soup could end up in Donktown on the bench next to Quinn…… If Tebow ( td Jesus ) loses Sunday and the first 3 / 4 games next yr…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
So Palmer throws for 400+ yards and doesn’t turn over the ball until the defense had already given up 38 points and he is somehow what ails us? Jesus some people are retarded.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Like JC, but it says alot when you can’t bring Gradkowski back as a backup because it will affect JC’s performance, wouldn’t have that problem with CP
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Campbell is a victim of his own mediocrity.
Even if another QB may not be as good, teams will hope the grass is greener with a younger guy.
His best hope is to latch on to a Jets, 49ers or Ravens team and hope the QB ahead of him gets hurt, and he can make some hay in the playoffs and get a contract.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
# JESUS Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
The Raiders are the losers and are not in the playoffs because JaCarson throws INTS all day
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OMFG!
The Raiders are the losers and are not in the playoffs because opposing Quarterbacks complete passes on our secondary ALL DAY…
Running Backs run through our D-line ALL Day..
Don’t be ridiculous.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
It doesnt matter if this blog thinks Jc has a bright future or not. Jc was a winner here and I have no problem giving him the credit he deserves for making us winners.
My position today is the same as it was, palmer was a down grade this year as evidenced by his god awful pick total, and atrocious numbers on 3rd down and the 4th quarter.
Palmer is the guy unfortunately, and he needs to clean up his act, im afraid that he cant. he appears to be a guy that will always throw as many picks as tds
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
So Palmer throws for 400+ yards and doesn’t turn over the ball until the defense had already given up 38 points and he is somehow what ails us
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receiver fell down, not his fault
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Hey Silverandblack666: Get you A** to work you slacker! I guess your sickness doesn’t affect your fingers?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Hue Jackson was right though he needed to use other means. Until AD’s death, everyone complained about AD’s defense, AD’s scholarship players etc. Unfortunately, Chuck Bres was not capable of taking AD’s players and developing another scheme that was successful. Let’s face it , we lost our DC when Al Davis died. Slid to 29th in defense. Need to hire an OC, and let Hue do what he does bes, run the offense. Few teams would have been as good on offense with the loss of all the skill players that Jackson has to deal with.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
I would love it if Campbell would stay as our backup. That would be a great insurance policy.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:46 pm
It doesnt matter if this blog thinks Jc has a bright future or not. Jc was a winner here
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Yes, I remember all the winning seasons and playoff victories the team had under Jason Campbell.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
please explain why 16 picks in 8 starts isnt a problem.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Lmn,
When reports say the “raiders” plan on doing this and that, who the hell is the person claiming to be the raiders at this point? Hue?
We need a gm right the fk now baby! Get Reggie mckenzie under contract today before other decisions like this are made! Huff at cb is a joke!
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yup we need a GM, McKenzie or Polian.. Huff was stellar at CB, nobody in the league understood why we made him a safety, he sucked for years, just last year he began to work..
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
12:45
Comment From peter r
the raiders finished 9th in offense and 29th in def. Do you know what the pen ration breakdown off to def was? My bet 70% def and the rest off and speicial teams
12:45
9th in yards per game on offense, 16th in points. That is the more-telling stat.
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Truth, Cork! 16th in points!!! That’s not a TOP offense. LOL!
This is why you get paid specifically to write about Raiders. The rest of us get paid by our employers to shirk duties and post here.
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Steves a hack.
“16th in points?!”
Add in the missing players bone head. Ford, Moore, DMC, JC prolonged injuries.
New QB added to that mix and viola’ REALITY. not must lame stats that don’t take real factors into account.
IBA is the best, but Steve holds a bias against “Hubert” already and has been wrong several times despite his years of supposedly following Oakland.
Jerry was the bizz omb
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
We were what…2 inches from a safety and the ball back to take the lead?
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Yeah, that’s what I don’t get. The replay looked awfully dam close to the nose of the ball being on the line.
Why the hell did Hue not challenge it? I mean, he has no problem wasting timeouts early anyway. Why not risk a timeout on that? It could have changed the complexion of the game. You never know.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
What was the big deal on McClain in college? His smarts? He takes the wrong hole too many times. He is not explosive. Too top heavy.
I hope he gets it together fellas…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Jason Campbell’s Raiders teams finished 8-8 each year, and he was inactive due to injury, pulled due to injury or outright benched in almost half of the 32 games.
What a winner!!!
With that “winning” resume, he should find a nice contract and starting gig somewhere right?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Because alot of them were garbage picks. Because Palmer only played in that many games.
Because injury made chemistry impossible. Because on and on…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
The Defense couldn’t force 1 punt Sunday…. Can’t win games like that…. Palmer can’t play his game… Hue can’t call his game….. It’s catch up once you get behind .. And the Raiders dont have a defense that allows an offense to catch up
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Defense should be getting most of the blame for this year. Injuries and turnovers come in 2nd and third. The defense was fooling NO one!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
So Palmer throws for 400+ yards and doesn’t turn over the ball until the defense had already given up 38 points and he is somehow what ails us? Jesus some people are retarded.
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Yes and that one pick was because Ford slipped and fell coming out of his break. It was an easy pitch and catch. Something they had been doing all afternoon.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Typical from this blog, everything that turns good has to be anybody but Mr. Davis doing, yet everything that is not good must be Mr. Davis.
Typical Oakland Raiders journalist, “DHB is the 3rd or 4th receiver in the depth chart, changing the tune from 6th. Blackmon from OK State is definitely a 7th pick on the draft.” So I guess he implies DHB was not worth the 7th pick. Is this DHB burden to carry his entire career? Is this Corky’s revenge on a dead man?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
please explain why 16 picks in 8 starts isnt a problem.
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Because he is an elite QB worth 2 first round picks that will lead us to 8-8 every year !
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
446.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
please explain why 16 picks in 8 starts isnt a problem.
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Please explain why JC couldnt come back in the 6-8 weeks as planned?? Please explain JC throwing directly to Patrick Chung? Please explain JC’s inabiltiy to slid? Please explain…
Is this guy a troll or what?
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I think if we would have scored when it was 38-26, even if there would have been 4 minutes or so left in the game, I would have said F it and just onside kicked it.
Probably a higher chance of recovering that than forcing a punt.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Lmn,
I have to disagree about huff at cb. I recall a lot of speculation that huff would be unable to play cb at the NFL level due to a lack of fluidity in his hips.
Huff at cb next year will be an epic fail.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
please explain why 16 picks in 8 starts isnt a problem.
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Okay, first of all, it was 13 INTs in 9 starts.
3 of the 16 you love to cite came against KC when he was thrown into the fire because Kyle Boller had one of the great meltdowns in QB history and was basically forced to go out there and try to play sandlot football.
Even you have to admit the pick yesterday only happened because Jacoby Ford fell down. That’s down to 12 INTs in 9 starts. Balance that against 16 TDs. Pretty good for a guy who didn’t get up off his couch until late October.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
450. Undecided on McClain. The whole arrest thing was a massive distraction and suc-ked and he was hobbled by a bad ankle alot of the time that he played on.
Have to say, Bres did not cater to his defenses strength. He simply called the smae lame game over and over and over and then blamed the players for not executing.
If McClain was gone next year? Wouldn;t be sad but think he could still pull it together in yr 3…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Hue Jackson needs a GM now !
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
whoever isn’t excited about seeing CP with DMAC Taiwan Ford DHB Moore Myers Ausberry and possibly Boss and Bush next year isn’t a Raiders fan. Jc with that same cast doesn’t garner the same kind excitement
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I recall a lot of speculation that huff would be unable to play cb at the NFL level due to a lack of fluidity in his hips.
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We need to ask all the hip aficionado’s from this past preseason.
While DVD was getting roasted, all I heard about was how he would be a great DB because of how “fluid” and “smooth” his hips were.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I would take DHB, DWow, and Ford any day of the week. Give them a couple years and would be right there as the best. 2012 starting WR’s are set. Heck, our O-line is almost set. Focus entirely on the D…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Jason Campbell’s Raiders teams finished 8-8 each year, and he was inactive due to injury, pulled due to injury or outright benched in almost half of the 32 games.
What a winner!!!
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LMAO. Spot on, brutha.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Just fire… Me too…I have no faith our D could make a stop at that point ..
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
446.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
please explain why 16 picks in 8 starts isnt a problem.
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He was throwing to receivers with no speed, who couldn’t run routes, and didn’t fight for balls. 5 of the picks were due to bad hands and tips. At least he didn’t throw a pick to a nose tackle in coverage. Would have liked to see what he could have done with a healthy Moore and Ford.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Not 1 Fk’n stop… Couldn’t do it… Gawddddd…
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
456. COrky’s bias is juvenlie and uber annoying. Wish he’d man up and just report.
Clearly he has a problem with the Raiders, the HC and some of the players plus, worst of all, it clouds his judgement and he is WRONG too often.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Ok, I will say it again…my heart friggen stopped when JC went down against Cleveland! But what was Hue supposed to do? Maybe we should have taken the Bears approach but…my football season would have been done in October!
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Vegas,
I hear ya. I thought fluid and smooth hips only counted when picking cheerleaders, but I guess CBS need them too lol.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
465. DVD is a liability. Dude is the biggest pu-ss when it comes to tackling. Just gawd awful wimp shying away from tackles like hes alergic to contact.
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
473.Dakota Says:
January 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Vegas,
I hear ya. I thought fluid and smooth hips only counted when picking cheerleaders, but I guess CBS need them too lol.
Yes to intercept those cheerleaders!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
Steves a hack.
“16th in points?!”
Add in the missing players bone head. Ford, Moore, DMC, JC prolonged injuries.
New QB added to that mix and viola’ REALITY. not must lame stats that don’t take real factors into account.
IBA is the best, but Steve holds a bias against “Hubert” already and has been wrong several times despite his years of supposedly following Oakland.
Jerry was the bizz omb
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The injuries don’t explain how they could move the ball well downfield to the red zone then stall out. And going for it on 4th down in the first quarter rather than kicking a FG is another way you miss out on points. You’re so full of crap.
And Steve Corkran – yet again today – says Hue deserves a second season to prove himself. Scroll up and do the replay. You’re making sh!t up about this bias. All in your head. You either have an active imagination or are a flat out liar.
And Jerry Mac said on multiple occasions that he is not a fan of the Oakland Raiders.
You clearly don’t follow any of this closely and just drop in here from time to time looking to argue about your imagined issues.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Look the bottom line is this. We have Carson Palmer. He is a top notch calibur passer. He throws a lot of picks because he pushes the ball down the field. He also makes much more explosive plays because of this risk taking style.
Campbell was much more steady, less turnovers. But his best plays over the past 2 years came off of screen passes and dump offs. nothing over 15 yards it seems. Campbell relies on the run game to set up the pass. Whereas Palmer can put the team on his shoulders, and throw the ball all over the yard when protected and healthy.
Campbell is a great guy and great for the locker room, by all indications, but he cant win a championship for you.
With DMC healthy and any semblance of a defense, Palmer has this team as a playoff favorite and probably 11-5. Even with all the INTs. Campbell is just too limited in ability for that to ever be the case.
My biggest problem with Palmer is that I wish he didnt cost us so much for the future. Had we waited until the offseason to get him, he would have cost us much less, like a 3rd rounder. But we also wouldnt have been in any kind of playoff race and would be in the top 10 pick range, with Boller under center. How are we going to get better on defense when we have so few picks?
These are my thoughts on the Palmer/Campbell issues and the dilemna it has created for our beloved team. Would it have been worth it to throw this season away and wait to get Palmer and still have these picks knowing we have lots of talent for th future? Maybe so…
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Carson Palmer’s 80.5 rating is the greatest performance ever! Those 16 INTS don’t count because he was not at his best without all his weapons . If only he had his weapons he would have thrown only 10 INTS in 8 games . Glad we gave up the future for this gunslinger. Hue great play calling as well !
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
So Mistic is furious over the Carson Palmer dealing, and clearly a tad frustrated with his former BFF Hue Jackson making the move.
Maybe next time you won’t mock a quality backup QB like Bruce Gradkwoski. If Gradkowski were still here, we might have tried to stay the course with him for this year, and bring back Soup next year.
Serves you fkn right for being only a fan of certain players.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
yep just like i thought there is no good explanation that justifies 16 picks in eight starts. Only very very weak excuses.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Oakland-Raiders-coach-Hue-Jackson-power-mad-Indianapolis-Colts-Bill-Polian-shocker-Schein-9-010312
“Jackson has become a power hungry, irresponsible head coach and football czar who has set the Oakland Raiders back for a few years. Jackson’s ego ruined the 2011 season for Oakland. For the betterment of the Raiders, Jackson must be stopped.”
“The undisciplined Raiders set a new record for penalties in a season, a reflection of the coach”
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Rife with inaccurate BS. What a f’ing joke this guy is. Then again, he works for FOX and they are used to making up lies and misleading the public aren;t they?
What a f’ing HACK! Sorry Steve, you look aces by compaarission to this idiot.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
JFB, not gonna argue there about Grads! If we had him, we could have hold up on our future! But not so sure where we would have been…but at least we would have had picks!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Hue’s false statements to date:
We’re going to build a bully
I know what needs to be fixed and I will fix it
We’re going to win the AFC west
The best players will play
Players will be held accountable
Who can trust anything this guy says? He’s all about what’s best for Hue Jackson, NOT what’s best for the team. The way he separates himself from problem areas on HIS team is a telling trait.
He saw in the 2nd game of the season that the defense was in a shambles, and he chose to ride with it the rest of the season? How is that being accountable?
There is no way on Earth Hue should have more of a hand in anything to do with the team. He’s turning into a dumpster fire in Alameda.
He DID out-perform my expectations. When he was promoted, I told everyone I know that they’d be 7-9 this year.
So there’s that….
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Rough ending to an “eh” season. A good offseason is crucial.
Im signing out until I hear something newsworthy.
2012 Raiders playoff or bust
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I think if we would have scored when it was 38-26, even if there would have been 4 minutes or so left in the game, I would have said F it and just onside kicked it.
Probably a higher chance of recovering that than forcing a punt.
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I was thinking the exact same thing…but in the 3rd qtr. That D isn’t gonna help.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
481… I don’t know, man… I was thinking just about the same way watching that presser. It’s hard to argue with anything the guy wrote.
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I think Cork’s comments about Jacoby and others is a little too much! You get paid to win football games. I can’t believe the players were that upset about the way Campbell was treated. The worst thing was probably Saunders saying he had a REAL QB with Palmer. The goal is to eventually win the Super Bowl, not hope to make the playoffs. Alex Smith is as good or better than Jason Campbell. That is not what I want for my RAIDERS!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Yep… Everytime I thought Palmer might mount a comeback , the defense would allow another Td…… Our Defense couldn’t get off the field without allowing a TD
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
And one more comment about that sorry excuse of a defense: they blew or almost blew every game in the 4th qtr, with the exception of the first KC game and New England, where the game was already lost before the 4th qtr!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Fingers, one 3 and out at the 1 yard line and that place would have shook to an earthquake. We would have won that game, I tell you!
January 3rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
A Nation divided.
That’s what 8-8 does. One can say look at the 8 losses, the other look at wins. Plus, add a bunch of excuses and there Hue go.
One sides with HueSux and Palmer, the other side wants them both fired.
No matter what it’s said or written from either side, the Raiders are stuck with both for the next season.
Can’t predict anything, but I can say that HueSux will have it all his way. His histrionics of Sunday and then Monday made things very clear. He wants more control of the organization, and that’s a bottom line. Given by chance that a strong GM would be hired to control HueSux, that would only cause trouble. My guess is that Mark Davis and Amy Trask, plus the “council of elders,” would rather have an egomaniac running the Raiders.
The team does become the reflection of the coach. HueSux saw what the Raiders were like on the Buffalo game, and they were just like him, so he went on a 14-game denial. It was ALL on HueSux, until the end when it was ALL on everybody else.
January 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
has hue been let go yet? 8-8 is for losers
January 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
One thing about Coach Jackson, at least he admits and stands up. He said he learned a lot as a first year head coach. It seems when we give someone a chance to be a the head coach, they go on some where else and succeed. He stood up some, lets give him a chance. But the defense has to be fixed. Hey Hue go hire some of Nick Saban’s defensive coaches or Les Miles at LSU. Lets get some new blood. And I like the choice of hiring a GM.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Everyone wants more control, hell look at our country.
Control has to be limited.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
And that is why we need to fix the defense. To many TD’s costing us games. Get some new blood.