McFadden would have practiced today
By Steve Corkran
Wednesday, January 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am in Oakland Raiders.
Running back Darren McFadden missed the Raiders final nine regular-season games with a midfoot sprain. As it turns out, he would have practiced today for the first time since Oct. 23 if the Raiders would have made the playoffs.
That’s the word from coach Hue Jackson, anyway.
“He was going to be out there practicing with us this Wednesday,” Jackson said in a radio interview Tuesday night on NFL Sirius. “That’s what’s so disappointing. We were about to get totally healthy at the right time. I know he was going to give it a go. He felt much better than what he had been feeling, and we really felt comfortable that he was mending properly and ready to get back out there with the guys.”
If nothing else, that bodes well for McFadden being healthy enough to practice once offseason workouts begin.
McFadden did not practice with his teammates once after he suffered his injury against the Kansas City Chiefs. Michael Bush filled the void and rushed for 977 yards.
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January 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
First
January 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Best case scenario as of now, for me:
GM: Reggie McKenzie.
Personnel: Elliot Wolf.
HC: Hue Jackson.
DC: Mike Trgovac.
Give Hue next season to focus on coaching full-time, as opposed to last year, he’ll have a normal off-season to get Carson and the WR’s in-synch and work with Trgovac on Defense.
This would also allow the new front-office to properly evaluate Hue and the players on this team and see what direction we need to go if it doesn’t work out.
Obviously with the understanding that Hue has to buy in, he’s a coach not a GM, that’s where his future lies and if he’s a smart man he will acknowledge that working with those guys and bringing back the Raiders to the playoffs is his best path to a long, successful career as a Head Coach.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Who cares?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Slow down, Cork! We didn’t even get 10 comments on the last post.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Get the f outta here with that nonsense.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
DMAC Says:
Thanx for the late ass news
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It’s not a breaking news site.
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Wasn’t talking to you Cork Jr.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DMC coulda woulda shoulda. Pizz on it. The guy is great but always injured.
LIke having a Ferrai thats always in the shop
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Dakota,
It’s Fa Sho, as in FUHHHHH.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
“I really want to work on conjunction with someone who shares the same vision,” Jackson said on NFL Sirius radio. “I know whoever Mark decides to bring in to the organization will have the same vision because my vision is winning, and winning championships.
“I don’t have any other vision or any other ego. My whole thing is about winning and whatever it takes to win. Do I want to make sure I have an idea and have some input on who I put on a team? Yes. But at the end of the day, if the chain of command starts with the GM when it comes to those decisions, I’m fine with that, too.”
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No one ever said Hue was dumb lol. Looks like he is at least now saying the right things outwardly.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
DMAC Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:27 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:24 am
We play Defense now!
lol
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Even you had to laugh at that.
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J, We really do though.
Compared to the Nelly days.
we’re not great on D, but we’re working on it.
I think the players are buying into Mark J.
We’ll split the season series w/ the Fakers. That’s fasho!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
If we keep Hue, we need to get him a life coach and some sessions with Tony Robbins.
In the last few months, this guy has been spazzing out, floundering at his job, and pissing everyone off.
Get it together Hue!!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
That’s fasho!
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Take note, Dakota!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:30 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Dakota,
It’s Fa Sho, as in FUHHHHH
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Fo Sho its Fa Sho!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Dakota Says:
“I really want to work on conjunction with someone who shares the same vision,” Jackson said on NFL Sirius radio. “I know whoever Mark decides to bring in to the organization will have the same vision because my vision is winning, and winning championships.
“I don’t have any other vision or any other ego. My whole thing is about winning and whatever it takes to win. Do I want to make sure I have an idea and have some input on who I put on a team? Yes. But at the end of the day, if the chain of command starts with the GM when it comes to those decisions, I’m fine with that, too.”
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No one ever said Hue was dumb lol. Looks like he is at least now saying the right things outwardly.
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Right on.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Bob Marley, please post your brilliant GM take on the next 10 threads just to make sure we’ve really got it.
Moron
January 4th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Great thing about Warriors basketball, the playoffs start in January!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Oh darn it! DMC was almost ready! Who cares…
Seasons over and he was a ghost…again
January 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We’ll split the season series w/ the Fakers.
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Love how you No Cal cats make the Lakers regular season games your whole season.
Again, I ask what happened to the cat that was spittin that 99 problems but my Kangs ain’t one flow?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Hue’s comments about DMac sound like desperation.
“McFadden was coming back this week. We were gonna win in the playoffs. I swear it.”
Right, Hue. How come last week you didn’t know DMac was a couple of days away from being able to practice?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
# 15.
Will do.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:35 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
We’ll split the season series w/ the Fakers.
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Love how you No Cal cats make the Lakers regular season games your whole season.
Again, I ask what happened to the cat that was spittin that 99 problems but my Kangs ain’t one flow?
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I don’t fk w/ the kings.
Dubs all day!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
lol!
Raider Nation Station on FB
“Oh darn it! Our defense was just getting ready to start playing!”
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
So who is actaully going to interview McKenzie?
I mean, is Marc Davis really going to take him through the ringer, so to speak?
Or is it pretty much Wolf making the call?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Meanwhile, Pro Football Focus with interesting theory on Raiders running game slowing down — Wisniewski big drop-off at G in 2nd half
28 minutes ago
January 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
MikieG Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
My 10 Second interview..
“Are you Reggie McKenzie?”
‘-Yes-’
“Welcome Aboard…”
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haha, very good.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Meanwhile, Pro Football Focus with interesting theory on Raiders running game slowing down — Wisniewski big drop-off at G in 2nd half
28 minutes ago
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Interesting. For now, I’ll write it off to hitting the rookie wall. If he drops off in the 2nd half of next year, it’ll be concerning
January 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
So who is actaully going to interview McKenzie?
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Trask and Davis. Probably Al Saunders as well. I was talking to Amy about the Bellichik versus Gruden decision where she voted for Bill and Al went with Gruden. I have trust in Amy.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
So who is actaully going to interview McKenzie?
I mean, is Marc Davis really going to take him through the ringer, so to speak?
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Don’t think there’s been any word, but I’d guess it would be Mark Davis and probably Amy Trask. Maybe John Madden.
Might be impolitic for Wolf to sit in since he’s the one that’s been pushing McKenzie.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Funniest blog update of the year. Pure comedy Cork!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Steves last post on Reggie McKenzie?
That there is the shizz nice!
Excellent, excellent piece of writing.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Meanwhile, Pro Football Focus with interesting theory on Raiders running game slowing down — Wisniewski big drop-off at G in 2nd half
28 minutes ago
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Interesting. For now, I’ll write it off to hitting the rookie wall. If he drops off in the 2nd half of next year, it’ll be concerning
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IMO, Wiz was a beast all season long.
Satele is the drop off, not Wiz.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:36 am
So who is actaully going to interview McKenzie?
I mean, is Marc Davis really going to take him through the ringer, so to speak?
Or is it pretty much Wolf making the call?
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Probably Amy Trask and Mark Davis. Didn’t trask sit in on the coaching hires with Al and wanted to hire Belichick over Gruden?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
The PFF article Tafur is refering to.
Wiz played a crappy game on Sunday apparently:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/03/re-focused-chargers-raiders-week-17/
January 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
26. Satele was the problem
January 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Hue’s comments about DMac sound like desperation.
“McFadden was coming back this week. We were gonna win in the playoffs. I swear it.”
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Oh we are going to win in the playoffs. It’s just going to be without Jackson at the helm.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
J Hill Says:
So who is actaully going to interview McKenzie?
I mean, is Marc Davis really going to take him through the ringer, so to speak?
Or is it pretty much Wolf making the call?
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If Wolf is handling it, I guess it has to be a lock right?.
I mean, he suggested McKenzie 2 months ago, he’s one of his guys and it would foolish for Mark Davis to low-ball him money-wise.
I’m not so sure on his kid, he might want to go his own way rather than follow his dad or maybe Elliot will someday run the Packers after Ted Thompson.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
31. Rite awn mang. Wizzer should’ve been C but we had no one to fill Gallery’s LG.
Campbell had a knee injury and was lump all season. What was that one white guys name? His wife had a kid then he was a ghost.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Trask and Davis. Probably Al Saunders as well. I was talking to Amy about the Bellichik versus Gruden decision where she voted for Bill and Al went with Gruden. I have trust in Amy.
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The missed Davis/Belichick relationship is one of the great, hilarious “might have beens” of recent NFL history.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:43 am
38. Billicheat? F*** him and his asterik SB wins. Cheatin bish
January 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Maybe McFadden didn’t want to play for Jackson.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
PFF is legit, and they are the ones that created the “burn” ratio for DB’s.
Not the be all end all, but if they are going through the “film” each week and grading every play and player, it has some value to it.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
The PFF article Tafur is refering to.
Wiz played a crappy game on Sunday apparently:
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/03/re-focused-chargers-raiders-week-17/
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Well to be fair, so did everyone not named Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy
January 4th, 2012 at 11:45 am
GoodOle00 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:42 am
31. Rite awn mang. Wizzer should’ve been C but we had no one to fill Gallery’s LG.
Campbell had a knee injury and was lump all season. What was that one white guys name? His wife had a kid then he was a ghost.
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I think he should be moved to C, and either draft another G or sign a FA.
What are your thoughts?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Lying sack of crap Hue Jackson needs an ax handle across the face. It’s great news DMAC is now healthy because he can be traded for several draft picks since he has some value. DMAC is useless to the Raiders: he can run right through the lowest tier teams, no problem, but upper tier teams completely shut him down just like they shut Michael Bush down the last 4 games of this season. Also he hasn’t completed more than half of any season due to serial foot problems so that in 4 yrs with the Raiders his value was zero.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
6.MikieG Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:26 am
My 10 Second interview..
“Are you Reggie McKenzie?”
‘-Yes-’
“Welcome Aboard…”
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I’m good with that.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Well to be fair, so did everyone not named Carson Palmer, Darrius Heyward-Bey and Louis Murphy
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No doubt, I wasn’t picking on Wiz.
Was just providing the link to follow up what Tafur tweeted.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Wow! thanks for sharing this gem with us!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Poor Hue, I think he’s a goner.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
PFF is legit, and they are the ones that created the “burn” ratio for DB’s.
Not the be all end all, but if they are going through the “film” each week and grading every play and player, it has some value to it.
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Pro Football Focus has some legitimacy to it certainly. They give good breakdowns. On that note, while fans here were calling for Richard Seymours head half way thru the season, PFF had him as the best interior lineman in the game at that point. PFF was right. And Seymour tapered off the second half of the season, like the entire team.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Amy Trask should know the McKenzie hire would energize the fan-base, it would be good for ticket sales and of course, seems like a real solid football move.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:48 am
43. YES!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Al D. Davis Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Lying sack of crap Hue Jackson needs an ax handle across the face. It’s great news DMAC is now healthy because he can be traded for several draft picks since he has some value. DMAC is useless to the Raiders: he can run right through the lowest tier teams, no problem, but upper tier teams completely shut him down just like they shut Michael Bush down the last 4 games of this season. Also he hasn’t completed more than half of any season due to serial foot problems so that in 4 yrs with the Raiders his value was zero.
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He played 13 games last year, my math isn’t awesome, but I’m pretty sure 13 is more than half of 16. Moron.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
41.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:44 am
PFF is legit, and they are the ones that created the “burn” ratio for DB’s.
Not the be all end all, but if they are going through the “film” each week and grading every play and player, it has some value to it.
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So are you going to accept their Wimbley evaluations?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
PFF is a scrap heap for lazy writers to spout useless numbers.
Numbers can be skewed any diff way.
Real insight like Jerry’s is where its at.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Naturally.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
44. Oh look, RMR, Ricochet is here!
Buh bye…
January 4th, 2012 at 11:50 am
If McKenzie comes over, I would embrace Dom Capers hoping over for the HC gig.
We need chess players, and guys who have managed the end of games dozens of times.
F this on-the-job-training business!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
I just thought of this. Jackson ran VERY physical practices all year. Maybe the team wore down because of that. I know a lot of good coaches that let the team practices lighten up as the year goes on.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Is it because the Packers have a bye this week that we are able to interview Reggie? If he is determined to the the guy, do we have to wait until the end of the Packers season to hire him?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
So are you going to accept their Wimbley evaluations?
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PFF loves themselves some Cam’ron
January 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
We def. need a game changer in the D.
We have 0
January 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
59.
Yes and yes.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I just thought of this. Jackson ran VERY physical practices all year. Maybe the team wore down because of that. I know a lot of good coaches that let the team practices lighten up as the year goes on.
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Bring back the cha-cha-cha practices to begin the season!!!
If this team didn’t lack the fundamentals, I don’t know what would.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
F this on-the-job-training business!!!
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I appreciate you continuing to push my propoganda!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
I just thought of this. Jackson ran VERY physical practices all year. Maybe the team wore down because of that. I know a lot of good coaches that let the team practices lighten up as the year goes on.
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I thought the team’s allocated number of padded practices ended a few weeks ago….wouldn’t that mean they should be fresh for game day?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
J,
That propaganda became factual.
The bomb hit mthfkrs!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
F this on-the-job-training business!!!
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I appreciate you continuing to push my propoganda!
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FK these bald headed dudes on the Raiders org. and blog.
You know who you are.
lol
January 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Is it safe to assume that Jerome Boyd and Mike Mitchell have played their last games as Raiders?
January 4th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Boyd is gone, MM might get another shot.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
FK these bald headed dudes on the Raiders org. and blog.
You know who you are.
lol
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You shouldn’t be so upset that you are the little brother.
Don’t fight the natural order of things.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Is it safe to assume that Jerome Boyd and Mike Mitchell have played their last games as Raiders?
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Did Mike Mitchell ever play a game? I never noticed him….
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Dom Capers and his 48-80 record in 8 years as Head Coach?.
He’s like a defensive Norv Turner but without the playoff appearances (1 in 8 years).
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:51 am
I just thought of this. Jackson ran VERY physical practices all year. Maybe the team wore down because of that. I know a lot of good coaches that let the team practices lighten up as the year goes on.
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I thought the team’s allocated number of padded practices ended a few weeks ago….wouldn’t that mean they should be fresh for game day?
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Yeah, but those padded practices were supposed to be strung out over the whole year. Hue burned his up with a couple of weeks to go. And that probably just pissed him off so he made the guys work harder without shells and lids on.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Is it safe to assume that Jerome Boyd and Mike Mitchell have played their last games as Raiders?
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Did Mike Mitchell ever play a game? I never noticed him….
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How could you miss him???? Every time the opponents scored Mike Mitchell was the lst guy watching the opponents do the touchdown dance!
January 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
If Mike Mitchell plays a down on defense next year, Dakota’s 3 year timeline moves up 3 years.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
While PFF loves Wimbley, we paid him 1.3 million per sack (7) this year. Not a great “value” IMO
We could get a 2nd round pick to do that, and pay him 450K and he might have a sliver of a chance to cover someone.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
From Nov 28th: Jason Lacantgetanythingrightfora
“Oakland will begin its search for a head of the personnel department when the season ends, with Tom Gamble of the 49ers or Reggie McKenzie of the Packers being names their peers believe will end up getting the job. However, especially with the Raiders winning, coach Hue Jackson has a direct line to ownership, his contract does not stipulate he must answer to a general manager, and whomever is hired in Oakland could end up more or less working for the coach. That is why some A-list up-and-comers will steer clear of the job, preferring a situation in which they would have control over personnel.”
Things have changed since Nov 28th.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
This is just salt in the wound that was last Sunday’s debacle.
I said all along if we could just get in and get DMac back we could make some noise in the playoffs. I realize the defense probably would’ve doomed us in the end, but there are no complete teams in the AFC. Pats defense stinks just as bad. Ravens defense got torched worse than ours a few weeks ago against SD and their offense is highly shaky. Pittsburgh lost Mendenhall and Roethlisberger is all banged up. Houston is skidding. The Bengals would be a one and done.
Instead, we’ll be watching the Denver Broncos host a playoff game.
Unbelievable.
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Yeah, but those padded practices were supposed to be strung out over the whole year. Hue burned his up with a couple of weeks to go. And that probably just pissed him off so he made the guys work harder without shells and lids on.
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Wow.
It’s one thing to dislike Hue Jackson, but now you’re making stuff up man, get a grip.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
J Hill Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:57 am
FK these bald headed dudes on the Raiders org. and blog.
You know who you are.
lol
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You shouldn’t be so upset that you are the little brother.
Don’t fight the natural order of things.
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Looks like I just reeled one in. (He’s got a monster head.)
Could possibly be a river monster on Discovery.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
No more coddling these gd players. Jackson dressing team down was a breath of fresh air. New GM needs to set a new tone of complete accountability.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Hue can either amend his contract to state that he answers to the GM and not the owner, or he can pack his bags.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Dom Capers and his 48-80 record in 8 years as Head Coach?.
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Coached two expansion teams.
Took one to the NFC championship game in his 2nd year.
Bellicheat had a crappy record as an HC before, but both him and Capers were from a time when it wasn’t such a chess game each Sunday.
I don’t know if he would be interested, but I would roll with it, if it came a GM’s recommendation.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
With our defense , I don’t think Two McFaddens would help…
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
Yo yo yo, we got a big win over the Rocks last night, yo we “Put da flame out” (patent pending on my newest phrase), gettin’ ready to “wipe out da blaze” next (you guessed it, patent pending).
Smoke that spliff in unity, the moonwalk to the championship is high steppin’.
Here’s some fresh lyrics to keep you flowin
Gasol to the G, it ain’t no thang
Cause Kobe and Fish after another ring
Big Boi Bynum goin 20 and 20
Yo let’s celebrate with some Good N Plenty
FIZZLE
January 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
I like Mike Mitchell. Boyd is gone. He was already cut once or twice in 2011 and was only brought back out of necessity.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
C’mon fellas.
MM did pick off Rodgers in the end zone.
lol
January 4th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
You think we can steal Matt Flynn along with the Reggie hire? C’mon McKenzie, pull a fast one.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
JFB,
Either PFF has value, or it doesn’t.
Wimbley = good player in a great situation when his contract was voided. Raiders couldn’t afford to let him walk, owner overpaid.
We get it.
Only time Wimbley looked like a stiff to me was when Chuck B decided to match him up in one on one coverage with guys like Gates.
I think a better DC get more out of him.
LOL at Wimbley having the pleasure of playing for Robo Ryan and Chuck B.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
fingers Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
With our defense , I don’t think Two McFaddens would help…
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McFadden has been the best tackler on the team over the past 4 seasons. Dude lays wood on guys who pick our QBs off lol.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
88
Stupid post, we traded for Carson Palmer, we are riding with him.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Yeah, but those padded practices were supposed to be strung out over the whole year. Hue burned his up with a couple of weeks to go. And that probably just pissed him off so he made the guys work harder without shells and lids on.
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Wow.
It’s one thing to dislike Hue Jackson, but now you’re making stuff up man, get a grip.
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I am not speculating that he burned up all his padded practices that is a fact. I am speculating that he worked his guys harder. Bob, I am just trying to understand the falloff at the end of the year. And it just wasn’t one guy, it was the entire team.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Dom Capers and his 48-80 record in 8 years as Head Coach?.
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Coached two expansion teams.
Took one to the NFC championship game in his 2nd year.
Bellicheat had a crappy record as an HC before, but both him and Capers were from a time when it wasn’t such a chess game each Sunday.
I don’t know if he would be interested, but I would roll with it, if it came a GM’s recommendation.
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I like Capers, but he could also be the defensive version of Norv Turner. A great coordinator, but not a head coach.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Well, it seem many teams will be interviewing Reggie M.
Are the cheap Raiders going to pony up the money? Just because he has ties to the organization means nothing. Money talks–money AND control.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Dmac could have played three weeks ago. But Princess Derin stated in his first year that he would never take pain killers to be able to play. There you go.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
88
Stupid post, we traded for Carson Palmer, we are riding with him.
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As a backup, you jackwagon.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
JFB,
Either PFF has value, or it doesn’t.
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It absolutely does, but I won’t just stand in line with 100% of it.
Wimbley is definitely a good player. Has great moments even. He could probably start for 20 teams in the league, or at least get serious reps.
But that doesn’t mean he should make $10 million a year. We are paying him the same salary as Terrell Suggs for crying out loud.
A new GM is going to clean all this up. No more “panic” contracts because we are trying to win a ring before our next shipment of catheters.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Vegas
If McKenzie wanted to bring him in I guess I would embrace the guy too, he’s definitely a Pro…..but GB defense can’t stop anyone lately and they have a ton of talent.
And he had 4 years with each of those expansion teams, got 1 good season 16 years ago.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
I just realized that on Dec 18, @AaronCurry51 blocked me on twitter for calling him out after he was a !@#$ to fans following the loss:
“@AaronCurry51 Cut the attitude. We are rooting for you. We want you to succeed. Don’t be a !@#$ by mocking the fans after a loss”
Classy.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Wow.
It’s one thing to dislike Hue Jackson, but now you’re making stuff up man, get a grip.
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Bob, I don’t dislike Jackson, actually I like him. I just can’t think of one legitimate reason to keep him. All the “reasons” posters offer here, yourself including, are excuses. Not reasons to keep him. And let me illustrate the difference: injuries. That’s an excuse. Defense was not his responsibility: yes it was, that’s an excuse. I thought we should have kept Cable and Jackson for one more year. Here are my reasons: the team continued to improve. The team played hard at the end. They had a winning record at the end and played good opponenets tough. They manhandled the division which was something Cable promised they would do. Those are REASONS to keep a coach. Injuries are not a reason. They are an excuse.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
94.luvmarvhub Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Well, it seem many teams will be interviewing Reggie M.
Are the cheap Raiders going to pony up the money? Just because he has ties to the organization means nothing. Money talks–money AND control.
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I hope so. We all know that Al never valued/paid top dollar for coaches, just players (overpaid).
Not that is matters, but I like your screen name. Marv was my favorite player growing up.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
There are 246 days until the next meaningful Raiders football game….and I am counting them down right now!
Sucks for me because I don’t like baseball or basketball so I am stuck being a one sport guy!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Paying a GM adds another position on payroll.
Score one for Alameda county!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Do we have to interview a black GM before we hire anyone?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Bush.
We overcame those “excuses” to finish 1 game out of the playoffs, not just in our weak division but in the whole AFC too, a wildcard spot was a possibility until the end as well.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
96, why would he want to come here and be a backup when someone will surely give him starter money and a starting shot?? Moron.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Yup, Chicago will have the right to interview McKenzie as well…any other teams looking to fill that position? Rams?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Do we have to interview a black GM before we hire anyone?
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I am going to be THAT guy because I just assumed some dude named Reggie McKenzie IS black.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
105
Right on. Seymour Bush tries to say he “likes” Jackson but the obvious hate rings through.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
And so it continues….. http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/and-rant-continues.html
January 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
96, why would he want to come here and be a backup when someone will surely give him starter money and a starting shot?? Moron.
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Lighten up Tex, I was purely joking. No reason to get your undies in a wad.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Sorry! It was difficult to tell by his picture.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
See you later fellas….hoping for good news in a while.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Can he play in the secondary?
Otherwise wouldn’t have mattered when the heck he came back.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Sh!t, it’s getting worse . . .
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There are reports surfacing that Hue Jackson has informed Mark Davis he is relieved of ownership of the Raiders and that he is taking over immediately without the consent of the 31 other NFL owners.
- Associated Press
January 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
fingers Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
With our defense , I don’t think Two McFaddens would help…
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McFadden has been the best tackler on the team over the past 4 seasons. Dude lays wood on guys who pick our QBs off lol.
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Agreed, if only we could get DMAC to teach McClain to tackle.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Three months in and do we know anything about Mark Davis? Has anything been published out there? Talk about journalistic abdication.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The GM will want to bring in his own guy.
Hue’s gone.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
102.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
There are 246 days until the next meaningful Raiders football game….and I am counting them down right now!
Sucks for me because I don’t like baseball or basketball so I am stuck being a one sport guy!
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I’m with you on that. Go out and coach Pop Warner FB. It’s a lot of fun and gives you some X’s and O’s while waiting for season to start. Most teams always need help anyway.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
There we go! Put both DMAC and Moore in at CB. Problem solved. Now we just need a big fat guy on offence to stick in at NT. Wait, then we would have to find someone to play LB, safety, …..Never mind.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
“Three months in and do we know anything about Mark Davis? Has anything been published out there? Talk about journalistic abdication.”
Kind of cool how he is so low profile unlike our coach.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NEW!~ 01-04-12: WIZZER TO BLAME? HARDLY…
An article today states the decline of the raider running game may be tied to the rookie Left Guard. Why we think thats misleading…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
January 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Bush.
We overcame those “excuses” to finish 1 game out of the playoffs,
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We overcame to finish out? That statement doesn’t make sense. We are either in, or out. We are out. Is Denver better than we are? No. Therefore, we underachieved. And took a step back coming into this year with momentum and better personnel. Someone should be held accountable. That is my logic.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Princess Darren?
Lmao
BSJ approves
January 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
If Mark Davis lands McKenzie and gives him control over football operations he becomes my all-time favorite Raiders owner.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RR,
Put down for the top list
January 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Then why bother hiring a GM.
Retarded.
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“Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes”
January 4th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Raiders coach Hue Jackson said in a radio interview Tuesday night that he is looking forward to working with a general manager who thinks along his lines.
“I really want to work on conjunction with someone who shares the same vision,” Jackson said on NFL Sirius radio
Do I want to make sure I have an idea and have some input on who I put on a team? Yes. But at the end of the day, if the chain of command starts with the GM when it comes to those decisions, I’m fine with that, too.”
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Hue Jax = POS
print it
January 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
RRS
Put me on this list please:
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
How about the play just before half time.
6 seconds left – a throw over the middle – time expires – no field goal attempt.
Brilliant!
Commitment to Excellence!
Just Win Baby!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Ya gotta trust your GM… If The GM wants his own coachs … Then go for it….
Let’s get back into this century business wise…
January 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
How credible is all this talk about Hue burning his bridges in both Cinn and Balt? I can see with my own eyes the power hungry part, but undermining and backstabbing is on another level.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Running back Darren McFadden missed the Raiders final nine regular-season games with a midfoot sprain. As it turns out, he would have practiced today for the first time since Oct. 23 if the Raiders would have made the playoffs.
That’s the word from coach Hue Jackson, anyway
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Look at Hue Jax scrambling to make excuses for keeping DMAC on the active roster all this time. Expect a Hue Jax presser next week stating “Jason Campbell is ready to roll” as well!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
Any changes or people I left out ???
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I say Jackson has to re-interview for his job.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Hue…a little late…
January 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
ootbalFocus
No CB gave up less yards per times they were in coverage than the Jaguars Derek Cox. Top 5 was Grimes, Samuel, Gamble and Asomugha
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You still out there O?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Peymour Bish, will you be breaking down punters for any GM’s this off season?
After the “Lechler isn’t a placement Kicker” blunder I’m sure your phone is ringing off the hook right?
If that doesn’t pan out since you like Rob Ryan & Bres so much you can recommend a DC for 31 other teams?
Bozo!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
100.Seymour Bush Says:
injuries. That’s an excuse. Defense was not his responsibility: yes it was, that’s an excuse.
You really don’t get it do? Injuries to key player do matter. The Raider’s the Starting QB, Star Running Back, and Roolie RB (could have provided a change of pace? Raider’s lost WR’s all season long. They also had a host of injuries to DB’s during the season. Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player??? This is Fact.
Also,Hue did not hire Chuck. Al did? Did you ever think that Hue may have tried to make changes on D, but was not allowed??? That is very possible. So you fire him for something that he may have not had control over.
How about every year we don’t make the playoffs we fire the coach, That’s the answer!!
Man you guys are Smart…
January 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hue Jackson football = Nelly-ball
I’m over it
January 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
ProFootbalFocus
Darrelle Revis finished 18th in yards allowed per snaps in coverage – to some degree result of being thrown at more
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O, are you going to take Revis off of your elite list because he had a down year?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
PUT ME ON THE 1ST LIST ..DMAC WOULD HAVE PRACTICED 2DAY..A VERY WISE MAN ONCE SAID… “SO WHAT”
January 4th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Probably could do without this post today. Stick the knife in farther why don’t you.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
If we keep Hue, we need to get him a life coach and some sessions with Tony Robbins.
In the last few months, this guy has been spazzing out, floundering at his job, and pissing everyone off.
Get it together Hue!!
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JFB,
John Lucas & Eddie Anderson are available since they dumped JaWalrus …
January 4th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Marcel Reece at FB = J-Rich at PF
I’m over it
January 4th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I really want to work on conjunction with someone who shares the same vision,” Jackson said on NFL Sirius radio. “I know whoever Mark decides to bring in to the organization will have the same vision because my vision is winning, and winning championships.
“I don’t have any other vision or any other ego. My whole thing is about winning and whatever it takes to win. Do I want to make sure I have an idea and have some input on who I put on a team? Yes. But at the end of the day, if the chain of command starts with the GM when it comes to those decisions, I’m fine with that, too.” – HUE JACK
So much for those reports and speculation that jackson is power hungry and wont submit to a gm.
laughable
January 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Mark Davis: Hungry Reggie?
Reggie McKenzie: Sure am! It was a long flight.
Mark Davis: Where’s Herrera?
Herrera: Here Mr. Davis
Mark Davis: 4 Cheeseburgers from McDonalds and Double Cole Slaw’s from KFC. Make it fast!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Wassup Dirt-lot
January 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
How about the play just before half time.
6 seconds left – a throw over the middle – time expires – no field goal attempt.
Brilliant!
Commitment to Excellence!
Just Win Baby!
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Or the week before where we have two timeouts and KC is lining up for a FG. I am thinking call timeout with 35 seconds, because there are holes in the Cheat coverage units as McCann took the opening kick off 90+ yards. Jackson lets the clock run down, we block the kick recovering it at midfield. With no time. And Jackson takes the timeout into the locker room with him. Right there, he should have been canned.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Repeated 3rd and 1, 40 yard heaves = 30 three’s a night
I’m over it
January 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
If Hue Go’s so go’s C. Palmer.
It would not be a smart move to fire Hue Jackson, since Palmer will be the QB for the next 3+ years.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
J,
So top 5 CBs in the NFL are:
Cox
Grimes
Samuel
Gamble
Nnamdi
No Revis, Woodson, or Champ stat don’t tell the entire story!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
BTW, Keep Hubert!
January 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
3 days into the off season and JaLando hasn’t shot up anybody in Bama yet ?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Hue blamed that blunder on Palmers headset going out at his presser.
lol
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
How about the play just before half time.
6 seconds left – a throw over the middle – time expires – no field goal attempt.
Brilliant!
Commitment to Excellence!
Just Win Baby!
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Or the week before where we have two timeouts and KC is lining up for a FG. I am thinking call timeout with 35 seconds, because there are holes in the Cheat coverage units as McCann took the opening kick off 90+ yards. Jackson lets the clock run down, we block the kick recovering it at midfield. With no time. And Jackson takes the timeout into the locker room with him. Right there, he should have been canned.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
154.MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
3 days into the off season and JaLando hasn’t shot up anybody in Bama yet ?
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That we know of anyway.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
Any changes or people I left out ???
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I propose a new category. The Middle Ground.
Hire a GM. Stipulate that Hue Jackson should get ONE year to coach the team in the vision of the GM with some reasonable input from Hue based on his actual front line experience with the team. His HC duties should be limited to specific duties as approved by the GM.
If Hue does not lead us to the playoffs next season, all bets are off.
So to summarize:
Hire a GM with Hue getting ONLY one more year to get us to the playoffs under the direction of the GM.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
126.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
Any changes or people I left out ???
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Put me on the “keep Hue no matter what” list. Don’t like the Palmer deal, but I like everything else. Don’t know that I subscribe to the “complete” control of the roster, but he should have strong input.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Now that Jc is gone, i would love to see garrard or vy in our uniform next season. Two guys that can come in and win games if / when palmer falters.
The mobility these two bring will revive our play action game. It seemed to me that palmer struggled when asked to turn his back to the defense, and he was god awful rolling out.
This offense would be a lot more difficult to defend with the speed we have in the back field and receiver with a qb that can move.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I did not say give HJ total control. Keep him to do what he was hired for, to Coach the team.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
There is more to playing CB. Even the best CBs get burned if the DL can’t play well.
Elite CB: Revis, Woodson, and Champ
Very good CBs: Nnamdi, L Hall, JJ, Grimes, Samuel, etc..
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Let the new gm come in a evaluate Hue and the rest of the staff. If Hue has an issue with that then he should move on. sounds like he is getting a bit power hungry.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
If you would love to see Garrard you must need glasses, badly
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Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Now that Jc is gone, i would love to see garrard
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player???
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Houston. Lost their Pro Bowl starting Q for the season. Lost their 2nd string Q. Lost their 3rd string Q. Lost Andre Johnson arguably the best reciever in the game for long stretches. Lost Arian Foster last years leading rusher. Result: 10-6 and playoffs.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Stipulate that Hue Jackson should get ONE year to coach the team in the vision of the GM with some reasonable input from Hue based on his actual front line experience with the team. His HC duties should be limited to specific duties as approved by the GM.
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LOL!!
My man, how is that any different than the last 40 years?
No more “reasonable input”
January 4th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Houston had a coach and system in place for the last 4 or 5 years with Kubiak?
Big difference!
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player???
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Houston. Lost their Pro Bowl starting Q for the season. Lost their 2nd string Q. Lost their 3rd string Q. Lost Andre Johnson arguably the best reciever in the game for long stretches. Lost Arian Foster last years leading rusher. Result: 10-6 and playoffs.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I used to think Nnamdi is Elite but not anymore. I think he is a great CB, one of the best in the game, but not Elite.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Also,Hue did not hire Chuck. Al did? Did you ever think that Hue may have tried to make changes on D, but was not allowed???
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What, did Davis come back from Purgatory and tell Jackson in a dream not to help with the defense when the defense was CLEARLY in trouble? I have said in here dozens of times: THAT’S JACKSON’S JOB! If one unit is stuggling, he should devote time to THAT UNIT. And the most telling sign was when Carson said, “well, he sure wasn’t working with me.” Where the HELL was Jackson. Oh right, getting his nails done.
January 4th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
O, you are learning!
Good for you
But #21 is not elite he’s somewhere between avg and good.
How about R Seymour? Elite or washed up?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Running back Darren McFadden missed the Raiders final nine regular-season games with a midfoot sprain. As it turns out, he would have practiced today for the first time since Oct. 23 if the Raiders would have made the playoffs.
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Yeah, and Chuck B’s. Vaunted defense would have pitched a shut-out vs. the Steelers also…..
January 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Hue shouldn’t have strong input into who the GM is gonna be… It’s the other way around… The GM should be evaluating Hue…. and if the GM can work with Hue then Hue stays…..
No a lot of jobs where the employes decide who’s gonna be his boss
January 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player???
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Houston. Lost their Pro Bowl starting Q for the season. Lost their 2nd string Q. Lost their 3rd string Q. Lost Andre Johnson arguably the best reciever in the game for long stretches. Lost Arian Foster last years leading rusher. Result: 10-6 and playoffs.
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Houston had the number 4…let me spell it out for you, FOUR, ranked DEFENSE in the league!
That is how you can lose your starting QB, WR, and RB and still make the PLAYOFFS!
You can not lose your starting QB, WR, and RB, and then ON TOP OF THAT, have the 29th or 30th ranked defense in the entire NFL, that cannot stop the run OR pass, and still expect to make the playoffs!
Comprende now?!?
January 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
If Hue Go’s so go’s C. Palmer.
It would not be a smart move to fire Hue Jackson, since Palmer will be the QB for the next 3+ years.
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who says?
Palmer said he’d never play for the Bungles or Mike Brown again. He never said anything about only playing for Hue Jackson!
As long as Mark Davis isn’t Mike Brown in Carson’s eyes – we’re good as gravy with our starting QB. Carson understands this is a business. He’s a pro
January 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Truth is we dont know who wanted Bres, if it was AL or Hue, or both.
Only Hue and AL know this and Hue isn’t going to admit wanting Bres and AL…well you know
January 4th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RRS:
Put me down for letting the GM decide…
January 4th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
169.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Also,Hue did not hire Chuck. Al did? Did you ever think that Hue may have tried to make changes on D, but was not allowed???
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What, did Davis come back from Purgatory and tell Jackson in a dream not to help with the defense when the defense was CLEARLY in trouble? I have said in here dozens of times: THAT’S JACKSON’S JOB! If one unit is stuggling, he should devote time to THAT UNIT. And the most telling sign was when Carson said, “well, he sure wasn’t working with me.” Where the HELL was Jackson. Oh right, getting his nails done.
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Why are we even debating this? I live in Denver and when their defense sucked, Shanny took the heat and he didn’t run from that. He is responsible for all phases of the game. A head coach should understand that.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Seymour takes too many plays off, and he is starting to show his age. I still think he can be productive DL if he plays less snaps.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DMAC having a vag should not cost Hue his job.
Pain meds = playoffs. Ask any old time Raider.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
160.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Now that Jc is gone, i would love to see garrard or vy in our uniform next season. Two guys that can come in and win games if / when palmer falters.
The mobility these two bring will revive our play action game. It seemed to me that palmer struggled when asked to turn his back to the defense, and he was god awful rolling out.
This offense would be a lot more difficult to defend with the speed we have in the back field and receiver with a qb that can move.
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Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured, or we never have to make such a bad deal for Captain Pick. We probably roll into the playoffs, make some noise, and actually have a 1st round pick in 2012 to help the D out.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Houston had the number 4…let me spell it out for you, FOUR, ranked DEFENSE in the league!
That is how you can lose your starting QB, WR, and RB and still make the PLAYOFFS!
You can not lose your starting QB, WR, and RB, and then ON TOP OF THAT, have the 29th or 30th ranked defense in the entire NFL, that cannot stop the run OR pass, and still expect to make the playoffs!
Comprende now?!?
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Did we start at the bottom of the league in defense? Were we at the bottom in week 5? No. We deteriorated to the bottom of the league. Big effing difference. AND, we replaced our starting Q with a better one. A much better one. When the team is deteriorating who’s responsibility is that?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
172.fingers Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Hue shouldn’t have strong input into who the GM is gonna be… It’s the other way around… The GM should be evaluating Hue…. and if the GM can work with Hue then Hue stays…..
No a lot of jobs where the employes decide who’s gonna be his boss
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Not a lot of employees have contracts that say they only have to answer to the owner and not the GM.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Garrard?
Ya’ll serious?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured, or we never have to make such a bad deal for Captain Pick. We probably roll into the playoffs, make some noise, and actually have a 1st round pick in 2012 to help the D out.
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I have to agree with that, I wanted Garrard and was p!$$ed he wasnt healthy enough..
January 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
HEY DMAC,HAPPY NEW YEAR.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I think we should move Houston inside, play Matt at LDE, and add a NT & an every down RDE.
Have TK, Seymour, Houston, and NT rotate at DT.
Houston and Matt can play LDE.
All we need now is a RDE.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Can we get some information on how the interview goes? And for goodness sakes don’t get the man McDonalds!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Why are we even debating this? I live in Denver and when their defense sucked, Shanny took the heat and he didn’t run from that. He is responsible for all phases of the game. A head coach should understand that.
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Thank you Freddy B. I will say I have never seen a unit fall apart and everyone involved point fingers, run for hills and not claim responsibility. At any level.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured, or we never have to make such a bad deal for Captain Pick. We probably roll into the playoffs, make some noise, and actually have a 1st round pick in 2012 to help the D out.
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While it’s not like Garrard isn’t opposed to turning it over sometimes, but with hindsight being 20/20, you would have to say Garrard or Soup possibly coming back and a 1st rounder heading into 2012 would be more ideal.
Hell, good chance we could have picked up Palmer this offseason, and not have had to give up a 1st rounder.
Panic move, done by a short-sighted, short man we gave way too much power.
Fire Hue
January 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
HEY DMAC,HAPPY NEW YEAR.
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Happy new year
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I think we should move Houston inside, play Matt at LDE, and add a NT & an every down RDE.
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Agreed.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL BE IN THE ROOM WHEN INTERVIEW TAKES PLACE..
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured,
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Garrard is terrible. Sorry to break it to you.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I can already see that the name garrard will garner the same response Jc did before he arrived. people that dont really watch him play will he sucks sight unseen. he is a very good player and had he been with a better team he would be well known.
we dont have a quality back up, and garard or vy could fill that role while learning the offense. Once they have a grasp they could even be better than palmer, i already think garrard would be an upgrade.
other wise we will be looking at the 2013 draft, and i will screaming to get Geno Smith or someone like him
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL BE IN THE ROOM WHEN INTERVIEW TAKES PLACE..
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Ronald McDonald or Col. Saunders
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
“3 days into the off season and JaLando hasn’t shot up anybody in Bama yet ?”
Give him some time its the holiday season.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Lesson learned from the Hue Jackson era?
Can’t turn a ho into a housewife
January 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL BE IN THE ROOM WHEN INTERVIEW TAKES PLACE..
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Ronald McDonald or Col. Saunders
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Naw, lets start off the new year fresh.
The “king”
January 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Wimbley should stay at SLB, and rush the passer from there and as DE on passing downs.
Romac inside.
We should add anoth LB to compete with Curry at WLB.
Goethel is a backup!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
How or why is garrard terrible? what is this based on? he has done things palmer hasnt, that includes winning in the playoffs
January 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
If you would love to see Garrard you must need glasses, badly
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
“We were about to get totally healthy at the right time.” Woulda-Coulda-Shoulda Coach.
The “right time” was last week (not to mention a few others) and you needed to get the team you had ready to win games that you 100% blew.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
189.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured, or we never have to make such a bad deal for Captain Pick. We probably roll into the playoffs, make some noise, and actually have a 1st round pick in 2012 to help the D out.
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While it’s not like Garrard isn’t opposed to turning it over sometimes, but with hindsight being 20/20, you would have to say Garrard or Soup possibly coming back and a 1st rounder heading into 2012 would be more ideal.
Hell, good chance we could have picked up Palmer this offseason, and not have had to give up a 1st rounder.
Panic move, done by a short-sighted, short man we gave way too much power.
Fire Hue
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No question it was a panic move. I bet Palmer could’ve been had for a 3rd, a 2nd tops. But Hue has done enough with this offense the last couple of years to get a pass from me. Got a sudden rush of power when Al passed. Who knows how any other coach would have handled that situation? Gave us a chance going into the last game. Without a doubt, right now that trade is a bust. But I reserve the right to revisit it next season.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
I say we run a 3-4
Pass rushing LB’s – Wimbley, Moss, Curry
MLB’s- McClain and FA or draft pick
Ends- Shonasty, Seymour, Houston
Trade sorry ass Kelly for a draft pick
Still need that Nose tackle
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
193.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured,
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Garrard is terrible. Sorry to break it to you.
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How has Jacksonville been without him? And since we’re on the subject, how has Cincy been without Palmer? Oh, and one more, how has Washington been without JC?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
“I can already see that the name garrard will garner the same response Jc did before he arrived.”
Did you see all the NFL teams lining up to go after the all pro Garrard?
No not one, and guess what Einstein there is a reason no one wants him he SUCKS!!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Oh, then hire Mike Nolan
January 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Ugh…so gross how RMR, Ricochet et al has tried to transfer his same lame no game bait from the now defunct Al Davis to who ever else happens to be in charge just to get his abuse fix.
Sigh. Old and tired…
January 4th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
165.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player???
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Houston. Lost their Pro Bowl starting Q for the season. Lost their 2nd string Q. Lost their 3rd string Q. Lost Andre Johnson arguably the best reciever in the game for long stretches. Lost Arian Foster last years leading rusher. Result: 10-6 and playoffs.
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Very good!! How did the offense do down the stretch??
Didn’t they have the number 1 or 2 defense in the league?? How many key insuries did they have on D??
BTW Matt played in 10 games
Foster played in 13 games
Andre J is ver good, but only 1 WR they didin’t lose 3 WR for 3 weeks.
Does not equal what the Raiders lost, but good try
January 4th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
205. Garrad had back surgery and has Crohns disease doesn’t he?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
MistaBrown Says:
If you would love to see Garrard you must need glasses, badly
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Ding ding ding! We have a winner.
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based on what? he is a very good player, especially in the 4th quarter.
last year he had 7 passing tds, and 2 rushing tds vs 1 pick and a rating of 108.
This dude is more than solid and money in the clutch. all he needs is better talent around him. Much like JC you can see that letting garrard go produced a dramatic drop off in that teams performance
you never miss the water until the well runs dry
January 4th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Gave us a chance going into the last game.
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Only reason we had a “chance” in the last game, was because Hue had our team less prepared than a rag-tag Tom Cable unit, post-Thanksgiving.
We got shredded by Tim Tebow, lol. At home coming off a bye!!
That is how Hue’s coaching resume should read.
Most penalties in NFL history and he made Tebow look like a future Pro Bowler with a weeks preparation.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
193.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured,
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Garrard is terrible. Sorry to break it to you.
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How has Jacksonville been without him? And since we’re on the subject, how has Cincy been without Palmer? Oh, and one more, how has Washington been without JC?
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Jacksonville needs a complete rebuild. Cincy’s defense is what has greatly improved this year, which is why they are winning. And Washington has Shanahan. Shanahan has never won anything without John Elway as his Q. Let me tell you something, if John Elway was my Q, I would have won games too. Anything else?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL BE IN THE ROOM WHEN INTERVIEW TAKES PLACE..
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Mark Davis, Amy Trask, Bo Jackson’s Stutter, Joe Aska’s Eyeball, Jim Otto’s Legs, Dom Mosebar’s Eye, Al Davis’ Ashes and Tom Cable’s Wives.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
209. Exactly. BTW. Seymour is RMR baiting
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
” Much like JC you can see that letting garrard go produced a dramatic drop off in that teams performance”
JC the guy who will be a backup QB in the NFL next year.
Garrard the guy who all 32 teams passed on and will most likely be a backup if he can resume his carrer.
What kind of retarded logic are you trying to sell?
Oh I almost forgot who I was talking to a racially biased blogger who has a derelict view on the QB position.
Guess what Palmer is our QB deal with already hasn’t therapy helped at all?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
WOULD JUST LIKE TO KNOW WHO WILL BE IN THE ROOM WHEN INTERVIEW TAKES PLACE..
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Mark Davis, Amy Trask, Bo Jackson’s Stutter, Joe Aska’s Eyeball, Jim Otto’s Legs, Dom Mosebar’s Eye, Al Davis’ Ashes and Tom Cable’s Wives.
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No room for Eddie?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
“I can already see that the name garrard will garner the same response Jc did before he arrived.”
Did you see all the NFL teams lining up to go after the all pro Garrard?
No not one, and guess what Einstein there is a reason no one wants him he SUCKS!!
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slitherincrack, you can make your judgements based on media reports and speculating on what teams you think contacted a player.
I will go by my own eyes and back it with numbers. You dont know anything about garrad, just like you knew nothing about jc, rgIII or newton.
YOU DONT KNOW SHID ABOUT WHAT MAKES A QUALITY QB!!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Looking at our season, we went 1-3 against teams with a winning record, and 3-3 in our crappy division.
Unacceptable
January 4th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
YOU DONT KNOW SHID ABOUT WHAT MAKES A QUALITY QB!!
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Well it’s easy to see what you think makes a quality QB. Only one physical characteristic is necessary.
All the Mannings, Bradys and Rodgers of the world need not apply.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
177.FreddieB Says:
Why are we even debating this? I live in Denver and when their defense sucked, Shanny took the heat and he didn’t run from that. He is responsible for all phases of the game. A head coach should understand that.
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And I am sure that Shannahan had a hand in hiring the DC. If Hue brings in a coaching staff and they fail it does fall on his shoulders, but that is not the case year.
Now Hue should be given a chance to fix the D, to put that all on him his first year, is not realistic.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Matt is not a 3-4 DE, and he is not a 3-4 LB.
It’s fine if you guys want the team to play 3-4, but you have to understand not all players can play/ find a home in both schemes.
Matt is not a 3-4 DE, and he is not a 3-4 LB. he is a 4-3 DE- Period!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
David Gerrard would have been a good move, but he wasn’t healthy.
Kyle Orton is the move I wanted, but it didn’t happen.
We gave up what we had to give up for Palmer. It will end up being a first rounder and a second rounder. The first rounder hurts, but the second rounder is nothing special. We could not have gotten Palmer for a 2nd or 3rd rounder. If you think that we could have then you know nothing about the Bunghole’s stubborn owner who once turned down two #1s for Ochostinco.
Barring injury Carson Palmer will be our starter for the next 4 seasons. Get over it.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Over/Under on how many passes Jason Campbell will throw at our facilities again:
0.5
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
And my puerto rican wife got fat!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
213.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
193.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured,
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Garrard is terrible. Sorry to break it to you.
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How has Jacksonville been without him? And since we’re on the subject, how has Cincy been without Palmer? Oh, and one more, how has Washington been without JC?
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Jacksonville needs a complete rebuild. Cincy’s defense is what has greatly improved this year, which is why they are winning. And Washington has Shanahan. Shanahan has never won anything without John Elway as his Q. Let me tell you something, if John Elway was my Q, I would have won games too. Anything else?
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J’Ville in a complete rebuild?? Cincy and improved D?? Weakest arguments I’ve ever heard in my life. Jacksonville was a team talked about as having a chance to win the division with Manning out. They had almost the exact same team as they did in 2010. The only major difference was at QB. And Cincy actually had the same defense minus Jonathan Joseph (2011 Pro Bowler) and without Leon Hall for most of the year. Andy Dalton and A.J. Green lifted the offense and the entire team. Capt Pick was an albatross around that team’s neck. I agree on Shanahan, but they sure didn’t upgrade the QB position by shipping JC out.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
” Much like JC you can see that letting garrard go produced a dramatic drop off in that teams performance”
JC the guy who will be a backup QB in the NFL next year.
Garrard the guy who all 32 teams passed on and will most likely be a backup if he can resume his carrer.
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you have no idea who wanted garrard or who passed on him. In fact he wasnt passed on by any one he was hurt elected to take a surgery that ended his season. the talk was that he was being pursued by several teams until he announced that his season was over due to the surgery.
You may want Jc to be a back up, but he will get looks from teams that need a starter.
Only idiots like you refuse to acknowledge his leading role in the brief resurgence of our organization. Everyone who has sense and is honest will clearly see that the moment Jc went down this team was never the same. Jc was the man and he beat two play off teams this year, he went down and we proceeded to lose to teams that would make the playoffs, including the hapless donks
January 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Very good!! How did the offense do down the stretch??
Didn’t they have the number 1 or 2 defense in the league?? How many key insuries did they have on D??
BTW Matt played in 10 games
Foster played in 13 games
Andre J is ver good, but only 1 WR they didin’t lose 3 WR for 3 weeks.
Does not equal what the Raiders lost, but good try
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How many key injuries did we have on D? Who would you rather lose, Andre Johnson or Louis Murphy/Jacoby Ford? They are in the dance, we aren’t. Their coach had to get in the playoffs this year, or lose his job. He got in. Our guy should have improved on last season to keep his. He didn’t. He shouldn’t.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
“Well it’s easy to see what you think makes a quality QB. Only one physical characteristic is necessary.
All the Mannings, Bradys and Rodgers of the world need not apply.”
Sounds like some one gets it!
We all know the Mystic1 spin and we are sick of it.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Gave us a chance going into the last game.
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Only reason we had a “chance” in the last game, was because Hue had our team less prepared than a rag-tag Tom Cable unit, post-Thanksgiving.
We got shredded by Tim Tebow, lol. At home coming off a bye!!
That is how Hue’s coaching resume should read.
Most penalties in NFL history and he made Tebow look like a future Pro Bowler with a weeks preparation.
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lol!
So now Hue’s responsible for not setting the edge?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Reggie McKenzie interview:
AmyT: Well Reggie, how’s it feel to be back at the Silver & Black?
Reggie: Like I never left. I see nobody has my old number.
AmyT: Do you have a Commitment to Excellence?
Reggie: Yes I Do!
AmyT: Do you have Pride & are you Poised?
Reggie: Yes I Do!
AmyT: Do you like McDonald Cheeseburgers and Wendy’s Cole Slaw?
Reggie: Yes I Do!
AmyT: Will you wear White leisure suits & slick your hair back?
Reggie: Yes I Will!
AmyT: Do you hate San Diego, Denver & Kansas City?
Reggie: Yes I Do!
AmyT: Do you know how to operate an overhead projector?
Reggie: Yes I Do!
AmyT: If you get this job, what do you intend on doing?
Reggie: Just Win Baby!
AmyT: You have any questions Mark?
MarkD: Nope, sounds like you’ve got it covered Amy.
AmyT: Sounds like you are good to go Reggie. When can you start?
Reggie: Whenever Hue says I can. Who gets to fire Bresnahan?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
And my puerto rican wife got real fat!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
YOU DONT KNOW SHID ABOUT WHAT MAKES A QUALITY QB!!
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Well it’s easy to see what you think makes a quality QB. Only one physical characteristic is necessary.
All the Mannings, Bradys and Rodgers of the world need not apply.
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I dont know who & i dont know what you mean. Bardy and manning are excellent but they are statues. i think brees and rodgers are much better players.
what is your point?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
228. Desperately trying to find someone to fill the hate void left by Al aren;t you RMR?
Anyone in power at Raider HQ will do for you huh?
I wonder which team you actually like?
Masochist. Go get your fix somewhere else creep
January 4th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
We just need to be more creatively efficient defensively.
Be 4-3, sprinkle in some 3-4, show some different looks, but stop having Wimbley and Lamar Houston covering HOF tight ends, Curry isolated to cover the edge and McClain trailing the other teams #1 WR.
Shouldn’t be too hard to upgrade the DC position
January 4th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Some players like Suggs & JH are a better fit in the 3-4 defense.
Seymour and TK are a good fit for UT, 3-4 DE, or even Base end when they were younger, but they can’t play RDE or NT.
Wimbley is too small to play DE full-time like T Scott.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Barring injury Carson Palmer will be our starter for the next 4 seasons. Get over it.
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You better hope and pray this isn’t true, or else I suggest you get used to the feeling you had right after the San Diego game.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
We just need to be more creatively efficient defensively.
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Translation: I don’t know what I;m talking about.
Clearly you paid zero attention to the team or the games this year.
Al died btw and we got moidahed running all those Zones and diverse D idiots called for.
Get a clue
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
213.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
193.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Sucks so bad that Garrard was injured,
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Garrard is terrible. Sorry to break it to you.
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How has Jacksonville been without him? And since we’re on the subject, how has Cincy been without Palmer? Oh, and one more, how has Washington been without JC?
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Jacksonville needs a complete rebuild. Cincy’s defense is what has greatly improved this year, which is why they are winning. And Washington has Shanahan. Shanahan has never won anything without John Elway as his Q. Let me tell you something, if John Elway was my Q, I would have won games too. Anything else?
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J’Ville in a complete rebuild?? Cincy and improved D?? Weakest arguments I’ve ever heard in my life. Jacksonville was a team talked about as having a chance to win the division with Manning out. They had almost the exact same team as they did in 2010. The only major difference was at QB. And Cincy actually had the same defense minus Jonathan Joseph (2011 Pro Bowler) and without Leon Hall for most of the year. Andy Dalton and A.J. Green lifted the offense and the entire team. Capt Pick was an albatross around that team’s neck. I agree on Shanahan, but they sure didn’t upgrade the QB position by shipping JC out.
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well said and two years later washington is still trying to find a replacement for jc. If they had him they would be a playoff team today
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
177.FreddieB Says:
Why are we even debating this? I live in Denver and when their defense sucked, Shanny took the heat and he didn’t run from that. He is responsible for all phases of the game. A head coach should understand that.
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And I am sure that Shannahan had a hand in hiring the DC. If Hue brings in a coaching staff and they fail it does fall on his shoulders, but that is not the case year.
Now Hue should be given a chance to fix the D, to put that all on him his first year, is not realistic.
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Even tho I am do not completely absolve the offense from this catastrophe like you all, let’s focus on the defense for one second. Do any of you remember the game in the RCA Dome in 2000 or 2001 when Peyton was ripping us a new one and in the 2nd half, Beikert starting adjusting the defensive calls to alter what Manning was doing and we ended up winning that game? Any of you remember that game? We have Rod Woodson on our defensive staff. Rod knows a tiny bit about defenses. And Kevin Ross is one smart guy, who happened to be a safety making tons of defensive calls for some very good defenses. Why couldn’t all these guys somehow figure it out?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I dont know who & i dont know what you mean. Bardy and manning are excellent but they are statues.
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Statues with Super Bowl rings! LMFAO dude, you’re hilarious with this sh!t.
I view Garrard the same as I view Palmer: 32 year old QB with an injury history that will have been out of football for a long time by the time he joins the Raiders. You’ve lobbied so hard against Palmer. Why can you not see that Garrard has the same qualities?
If this team is going to make a switch at QB, it better be through draft and grooming a franchise QB. I’m tired of retread old dudes.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
How many key injuries did we have on D? Who would you rather lose, Andre Johnson or Louis Murphy/Jacoby Ford? They are in the dance, we aren’t. Their coach had to get in the playoffs this year, or lose his job. He got in. Our guy should have improved on last season to keep his. He didn’t. He shouldn’t.
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You are obviously slow. Houston got into the playoffs despite their injuries, because they have the number 4 ranked DEFENSE in the entire NFL!
WE had all of those same injuries but WE demonstrated from the SECOND GAME OF THE FREAKIN SEASON AGAINST BUFFALO, that we are arguably the worst defense in the LEAGUE!
The Number 4 defense vs arguably the WORST defense in pro football. Subsequently they are in the playoffs, and we are not.
Simple common sense. But that is obviously too complicated for you.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
239. So what? So WHAT?
Like Ross and Woodsen are the ones loading sh*t personnel on the field and calling zone tampa? Thats all Chuckles RMR
January 4th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
What a joke. “DMC was coming back!”. Way to try to change his perception Hue.
Let me get this straight. He could give it a go a week after the biggest game for the Raiders in damn near 10 years??? Makes no sense to me…
January 4th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I say we should stay with the 4-3, add a few players ( NT, RDE, and CB), and a new DC should be enough.
We have young and talented group, but we need a DC.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Mistic the Troll has been on here far too much after the end to the season…
January 4th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
241. Like most people from Texas you don;t know ****.
Palmers the best QB Oakland has had since Gannon PERIOD.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
FK Kelly!
I’m done w/ that fake ass ric ross looking fool.
Trade him for a draft pick.
Seymour 2.
Time to come fresh on the D.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Al died btw and we got moidahed running all those Zones and diverse D idiots called for.
Get a clue
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You need to get a clue.
I said “more creatively efficient”.
With a decent grasp of the English language, one would understand that would mean stay creative, but be better at it.
McCLain on Calvin Johnson and Wimbley on Gates is “creative”, just stupidly creative.
Get it? Take a second if you need to
January 4th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
245. No way we should go 3-4. NTs are harder to find than QBs
January 4th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
250. You can take me off your hater BS list RR
January 4th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
” And Kevin Ross is one smart guy, who happened to be a safety making tons of defensive calls for some very good defenses. Why couldn’t all these guys somehow figure it out?”
Its because the Great All Pro Garrard was not on our team!
Or its because JC was not our QB if he was he would have changed the way we play defense….well that’s what some misguided retards here would have you believe!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Lesson learned from the Hue Jackson era?
Can’t turn a ho into a housewife
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LOL @ JFB
beautiful
January 4th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Why are so many absolving Hue of any defensive liabilities?
Yeah he isn’t in charge of the week-to-week play-calling, but looking at the season on a macro level, having a highly penalized D, that lacks discipline, has a MLB that jogs around for 15 weeks, and regresses as the season goes along, is a direct reflection on the HC.
No way around that.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
Palmers the best QB Oakland has had since Gannon PERIOD.
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Easy to sit above a crowd of guys that includes Brooks, Culpepper, Jamarcus, Collins, Gradkowski.
That’s like saying a pile of puke doesn’t smell as bad as that pile of crap next to it.
The bottom line is he’s old with an injury history and a propensity to throw picks. In the next 2-3 drafts, i would be seriously considering finding a QB in the draft. It’s too bad we can’t get Luck or RG3 this April.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Im with the “let the GM decide” crew…
Hue wore me down towards the end…
January 4th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
Any changes or people I left out ???
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You misquoted me Raider Rockstar….This is not what I said…
January 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
FACT:
Hue Jackson had a lot of power and he could not handle it!
FACT:
Hue Jackson had all year to fix this defense and yet week 17 we saw sloppy tackling, bad angles, missed gaps and the inability to shed blocks by our defensive players.
FACT:
These are coaching fundamentals that should have been addressed in training camp not showing up week 17.
FACT:
This has nothing to do with Carson Palmer.
FACT:
Mystic1 is now the troll of this Blog replacing MR as the king douche!
ONE LAST FACT:
This team on Sunday did not look like a team that WANTED to win….yes I am talking about the Defense not Carson Palmer!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Hiring McKenzie would be a great first step. I’m all for giving him a chance to evaluate the staff and roster to see what changes need to be made. Including the head coach position.
Glad Dmac is feeling better. Maybe he’ll start next week.
And, no matter what some on here think, signing every black QB in the NFL is NOT the answer. The Raiders are colorblind. Maybe JC will be back on a one year deal. If so, he’s SILVER & black. Just like he was this season. Just like Palmer is. Just like all Raiders are.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
I dont know who & i dont know what you mean. Bardy and manning are excellent but they are statues.
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Statues with Super Bowl rings! LMFAO dude, you’re hilarious with this sh!t.
I view Garrard the same as I view Palmer: 32 year old QB with an injury history that will have been out of football for a long time by the time he joins the Raiders. You’ve lobbied so hard against Palmer. Why can you not see that Garrard has the same qualities?
If this team is going to make a switch at QB, it better be through draft and grooming a franchise QB. I’m tired of retread old dudes.
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first off, i said brady and manning are excellent, but i prefer brees and rodgers. All of whom have trophies, so what ever point you were trying to make by citing these players is moot.
i said that garrad could be brought in AS A BACKUP, BECAUSE WE DONT HAVE QUALITY DEPTH.
Next is stated that in time ionce he has a grasp of the offense he could be better than palmer.
Garrad is a far better player with much more natural skill and mobilty.he is tough and doesnt turn the ball over like palmer. He has a playoff win under his belt unlike palmer, and is a far better player in the 4 th quarter in crunch time than palmer has ever been.
I agree that the draft is ideal, but we have no shot at the only qb im interested in RGIII.
in 2013 i would look at ej manual and geno smith
I dont see why you would have a problem with any qb i have mentioned, so what is it?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. RIP
23. ElkG
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Because Bres was the DC and calling the shots. Maybe it’s about time you stop licking Chucks balls and wake up?
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Rod knows a tiny bit about defenses. And Kevin Ross is one smart guy, who happened to be a safety making tons of defensive calls for some very good defenses. Why couldn’t all these guys somehow figure it out?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
How many key injuries did we have on D? Who would you rather lose, Andre Johnson or Louis Murphy/Jacoby Ford? They are in the dance, we aren’t. Their coach had to get in the playoffs this year, or lose his job. He got in. Our guy should have improved on last season to keep his. He didn’t. He shouldn’t.
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Let see, Andre does actually play for the Raider, so I will put it like this. Our leading WR wsa DHB, I would have preferred losing him, instead of losing D. Moore, Ford, and Murphy? D. wsa our PR and Ford was our KR. Those are big loses with your starting RB is already out.
Secondary for the Raiders was hurt for most of the year (DBs and Safeties). Huff not playing in the game against the Lions is why CJ went for over 2oo yrds.
Also, who’s the Texas’coach and how many years has he been coaching them? Maybe they should have fired him last year when they didn’t make it.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Armchair,
let Hue Jax finish his contract = Keep Hue Jackson no matter what.
what if the new GM wants Hue out or perhaps just wants to bring in his own guy for HC?
if you want the GM shackled to Hue Jax regardless of what he thinks or who he wants in there, you belong in the latter category!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Peymour Bish, you are tripping on yourself so much the last 2 days there is literally a line a mile deep to take a swing at you…
I’m just gonna sit back and watch you make a fool of yourself, par for the course!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
“And, no matter what some on here think, signing every black QB in the NFL is NOT the answer. The Raiders are colorblind. Maybe JC will be back on a one year deal. If so, he’s SILVER & black. Just like he was this season. Just like Palmer is. Just like all Raiders are.”
This guys gets it and is on to your BS Mystic1
January 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Put me down for
Get GM
Keep Hue
And by the way fire Chuck.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
January 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Barring injury Carson Palmer will be our starter for the next 4 seasons. Get over it.
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You better hope and pray this isn’t true, or else I suggest you get used to the feeling you had right after the San Diego game.
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Seriously? The guy threw for over 400 yards. Had one pick because Ford fell down when we were going in to score again.
Unless keeping Palmer means keeping Breshnahan and this awful defense fully in tact, I’m pretty sure I will not have the same feeling.
Carson Palmer is a real quarterback. I know you’re still holding out hope for JaPurpleDrank to come back, but until then this is who you’ve got:
2011 Yards Per Pass Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
AKA, the best quarterback we’ve had since Gannon, by a wide margin.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
stablersbeard Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
And, no matter what some on here think, signing every black QB in the NFL is NOT the answer.
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who would ever say something like that??!?!? i think some of you are way to caught up in the race thing
January 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
it kind of reminds me of this girl I used to like, after standing me up a couple of times, when I didn’t call her, she called me and said if you had contacted me one more time, you would’ve got some.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
251,
I said: we should stay with the 4-3, so what are you talking about.
If the NT thing got you confused, then you need to understand 4-3 can use a NT too just like we did with Sam Adams and others.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
“Garrad is a far better player with much more natural skill and mobilty.he is tough and doesnt turn the ball over like palmer. He has a playoff win under his belt unlike palmer, and is a far better player in the 4 th quarter in crunch time than palmer has ever been.”
Yeah you bet he is, that’s why he is on the radar of every team!
LMFAO at your retarded analysis.
Garrard is a backup QB at best….the only way he comes back into the NFL is as a backup, which is what JC will be next year.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I’m with u armchair
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
rr,
please take me off this dumbass list, that isnt my take at all
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I think you can disguise your D more running a 3-4. (especially on blitzes)
+ look at the top D’s in the NFL
Ravens
Whiners
Steelers
Texans
Jets
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Palmer also has 16 INTs and 13 TDs to go with his 8.4 YPPA.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Hire Mr. McKensie as Raiders’ GM, allow Mr. Jackson to have control of his coaching staff; the GM control of player personnel.
Raiders sign Matt Flynn as QB, he’s a UFA & Packer; you know Reggie will want to put his stamp on that!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Armchair,
let Hue Jax finish his contract = Keep Hue Jackson no matter what.
what if the new GM wants Hue out or perhaps just wants to bring in his own guy for HC?
if you want the GM shackled to Hue Jax regardless of what he thinks or who he wants in there, you belong in the latter category!
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I understand your reasoning, but I disagree. I feel that you are going from one extreme to the other. Keeping Hue as the Head Coach with limited control is NOT the same thing as keeping Hue and
“letting him help decide who the GM will be” and
“giving him complete control of staffing and roster changes”.
It’s called the middle ground.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Add me to the “Hire a GM First” list.
If Hue goes, I WILL miss him, but that’s the GM’s call.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
“Garrad is a far better player with much more natural skill and mobilty.he is tough and doesnt turn the ball over like palmer. He has a playoff win under his belt unlike palmer, and is a far better player in the 4 th quarter in crunch time than palmer has ever been.”
Yeah you bet he is, that’s why he is on the radar of every team!
LMFAO at your retarded analysis.
Garrard is a backup QB at best….the only way he comes back into the NFL is as a backup, which is what JC will be next year.
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again just because you write it doesnt make it so.
you are not an agent and have no clue what teams have interest in either one of these qbs.
go back to your gradkowski shrine and leave football to people that have a clue
I can back up my claim with numbers and game footage, what do you have o back yours other than asinine opinion
January 4th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
“And, no matter what some on here think, signing every black QB in the NFL is NOT the answer.
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who would ever say something like that??!?!? i think some of you are way to caught up in the race thing”
LMAO man that is funny he called you out!! He OWNS YOU!!!
We all know you are the racist of the blog!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I don’t belong to either list. I don’t want just any GM. I want McKenzie. Why? Because Ron Wolf says so. I remember Ron Wolf and the Raiders went to hell when he left.
And I don’t think Hue should be the HC. I am almost 100% sure that if McKenzie is the man Hue is gone.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“I can back up my claim with numbers and game footage, what do you have o back yours other than asinine opinion”
I can back mine up with the fact that not one team has had an interest in him THE END YOU LOSE!
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Yeah, but those padded practices were supposed to be strung out over the whole year. Hue burned his up with a couple of weeks to go. And that probably just pissed him off so he made the guys work harder without shells and lids on.
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That is inaccurate. They are only allotted 14 padded practices, to my knowledge Hue only used 1 per week and we ‘ran out’ at the same time as every other team. Jesus you guys are down to INVENTING reasons to hate on Hue.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
272.RaiderRetribution Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
it kind of reminds me of this girl I used to like, after standing me up a couple of times, when I didn’t call her, she called me and said if you had contacted me one more time, you would’ve got some.
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Exactly…
Only makes you angry
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
January 4th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Hue Jackson had nothing to do with the defense as Head Coach?
he didn’t place Ricky Brown, ShoNasty & Chekwa on I.R.
he didn’t place CJ37 on the NFI list
he didn’t waive Bruce Davis
he didn’t swap Boyd for Ndukwe and then swap back
he didn’t sign Ron Parker and then dump him for Lito Sheppard
he didn’t sign Mason Brodine or Bryan McCann
he didn’t sign Lambert, Ihenacho or Ivey to the practice squad
he didn’t trade for Aaron Curry
YOU PEOPLE telling me that Mark Davis, Amy Trask, John Herrera or Chuck B himself made these moves ???
seriously?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
221.McRaider5150 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
177.FreddieB Says:
Why are we even debating this? I live in Denver and when their defense sucked, Shanny took the heat and he didn’t run from that. He is responsible for all phases of the game. A head coach should understand that.
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And I am sure that Shannahan had a hand in hiring the DC. If Hue brings in a coaching staff and they fail it does fall on his shoulders, but that is not the case year.
Now Hue should be given a chance to fix the D, to put that all on him his first year, is not realistic.
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Shanny had complete control of everything. Ended up being too much for him and cost him his job.
I am not saying that he should be the only one accountable. Never liked the fact that, under Al, the HC wasn’t able to pick his own coaches. That’s a built in excuse IMO. What I’m saying is own it Hue. Don’t point fingers, fix it. He been doing more pointing lately than holding himself accountable.
Anyway, Im out.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
DMAC,
You are right. The 3-4 can confuse the offense cause you don’t know which LB is going to rush if not both.
I like the 4-3. If you have 4 good DL that can creat pressure, then you don’t need to play the 3-4, which also allows you to have more people in coverage who can make plays.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
January 4th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
By the way
Twocents = MR = Sandusky44
January 4th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Garrard is a loser which is why they spent a high pick on Blaine Gabbert!
DUH even a retarded 4 year old can see that why cant you?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You are obviously slow. Houston got into the playoffs despite their injuries, because they have the number 4 ranked DEFENSE in the entire NFL!
WE had all of those same injuries but WE demonstrated from the SECOND GAME OF THE FREAKIN SEASON AGAINST BUFFALO, that we are arguably the worst defense in the LEAGUE!
The Number 4 defense vs arguably the WORST defense in pro football. Subsequently they are in the playoffs, and we are not.
Simple common sense. But that is obviously too complicated for you.
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Don’t insult me. Jacksonville had one of the best defenses in the league and they are 5-11. Jets had a very good defense and they are sitting their fat asses on the couch, just like you. New England and GB have absolutely terrible defenses statistically, and some how miraculously, they are in. Yet you guys all think our offense was good enough to get in but somehow we didn’t make it. Either you don’t know what you are talking about, or you’re stupid. Which one is it?
January 4th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Look at the Giants and Vikings (before last season), they were some of the best defenses in the NFL, and they ran a 4-3.
Look at the 85 bears, and the Old Steelers teams. 4 man front.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Palmer also has 16 INTs and 13 TDs to go with his 8.4 YPPA.
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I know. That’s the obvious knock and he’s a gunslinger. He’s going to push the ball down the field and he’ll throw some picks from time to time.
But consider …
- 6 of those 16 picks came in the first two games where he had just come in cold, barely knew the offense or the receivers.
- Another 4 of those picks came against GB where he was clearly trying to do too much and trying to make things happen and a couple got away from him.
I know, they still count and hurt. But aside from the Green Bay outlier, he really settled in and the picks were not bad after those first two games back. Averaged just under a pick a game outside of those first two and the Green Bay game. That’s about what Brees and Peyton Manning average most years.
You want the big plays? The 300- and 400-yard games? The throws like the ones in the last two games to Denarius Moore or the OT game-winner against KC to DHB? Gotta live with a pick a game or so.
January 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
slitherin crack,
do you realize that pro football is A WHITE POWER STRUCTURE?
The fact that many players dont get opportunities or are passed over for their white counterparts does not mean that they are less talented. This only means that the old way as with every thing else in amerikkka is still in tact, only slightly have things evolved.
Pro sports is no different5 from any other industry in amerikkka, dominated by white males in position of power.
This is the reason brad smith was forced to play receiver yet tim tebow was allowed to run an option offense in the nfl. this is why no one complained that bradford or landry jones are spread offense shotgun qbs, but every one made a stink about where newton, & now RGIII are concerned. This is the reason the first thing you do when i talk qb is look to see what race they belong to, racism is THE AMREIKKKAN WAY
Wake up bra, this is the real world
January 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. RIP
23. ElkG
24. Duck
25. TwoCents
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
10. Da Trinity
11. Retro
12. BCZ
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
“Hue Jackson had nothing to do with the defense as Head Coach?
he didn’t place Ricky Brown, ShoNasty & Chekwa on I.R.
he didn’t place CJ37 on the NFI list
he didn’t waive Bruce Davis
he didn’t swap Boyd for Ndukwe and then swap back
he didn’t sign Ron Parker and then dump him for Lito Sheppard
he didn’t sign Mason Brodine or Bryan McCann
he didn’t sign Lambert, Ihenacho or Ivey to the practice squad
he didn’t trade for Aaron Curry
YOU PEOPLE telling me that Mark Davis, Amy Trask, John Herrera or Chuck B himself made these moves ???
seriously?”
If I may add to that….sloppy tackling, gap assignment, the ability to shed blocks are fundamentals that are taught throughout the season so that when week 17 comes you are prepared to make plays.
Please please someone tell me that a HC has nothing to do with these things?
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
All I have to say to some of you people is this. DEFENSE WINS CHAMPIONSHIPS!!! Its been proven time and time again. Hue did NOT have a chance to build his own defensive staff, he had one forced on him. He should be given the opportunity to put together his own staff defensively, as long as the new GM is on board with him and his vision. Stop looking for excuses to fire/cut/trade everybody. This isnt Madden. Its real life. Theres no excuse for the defense that AL put together. Get a grip people.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“I can back up my claim with numbers and game footage, what do you have o back yours other than asinine opinion”
I can back mine up with the fact that not one team has had an interest in him THE END YOU LOSE!
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Do you have proof that no teams were interested? it was reported here that the niners and raiders wanted to kick the tires but garrads agent informed them that his season was over due to surgery.
No you dont have any proof, just your own dumb ass speculation
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
Raider duck, I should be on this list.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
2011 Yards Per Pass Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
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So now YPA is the end all, be all when it comes to QBs? You really think Capt Pick is even in the same universe as Brees? Every other QB on that list is in the playoffs. Why isn’t Capt Pick? And before you blame the defense, check out GB’s defensive stats. When it comes to results, JC is far and away the best QB the Raiders have had since Gannon. Right now, Palmer is a bust, something you could argue his whole career has been. By the way, since you’re so hung up on 400-yd games, please rate Vince Young’s performance against New England this year.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Chris,
Well said. I’m not going to judge Palmer till after next season.
It’s hard to judge him based on 9 games, with no camp, etc.,
I will say this:
I like him as our QB, but I’m concerned about TOs.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. R8dercain
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
January 4th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Yeah, but those padded practices were supposed to be strung out over the whole year. Hue burned his up with a couple of weeks to go. And that probably just pissed him off so he made the guys work harder without shells and lids on.
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That is inaccurate. They are only allotted 14 padded practices, to my knowledge Hue only used 1 per week and we ‘ran out’ at the same time as every other team. Jesus you guys are down to INVENTING reasons to hate on Hue.
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How long will it be before the ‘racist” accusations start coming? Just because you have those padded practices does not mean you need to use them. My argument was the team wore down. Obviously. Is this a reason? Possibly. Am I hating Jackson over it? No. I am just speculating about it.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
ElkGRaider, Can’t be. Sully is a socialist commie and I am a Anarcho-Capitalist. Borrowing one of Cork’s replies from yesterday, “Kick rocks, bro.”
January 4th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
If I may add to that….sloppy tackling, gap assignment, the ability to shed blocks are fundamentals that are taught throughout the season so that when week 17 comes you are prepared to make plays.
Please please someone tell me that a HC has nothing to do with these things?
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Silver,
by the way … when Hue said that he was harping about penalty reduction and hired officials, he was only talking to the offense and the fake refs only monitored them!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
2011 Yards Per Pass Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
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So now YPA is the end all, be all when it comes to QBs?
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No, but that is pretty elite company. And it tells that a Q is looking down the field trying to make plays, and is very accurate down the field, not just checking down to a back. That’s what that means.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Hue Jackson had nothing to do with the defense as Head Coach?
he didn’t place Ricky Brown, ShoNasty & Chekwa on I.R.
he didn’t place CJ37 on the NFI list
he didn’t waive Bruce Davis
he didn’t swap Boyd for Ndukwe and then swap back
he didn’t sign Ron Parker and then dump him for Lito Sheppard
he didn’t sign Mason Brodine or Bryan McCann
he didn’t sign Lambert, Ihenacho or Ivey to the practice squad
he didn’t trade for Aaron Curry
YOU PEOPLE telling me that Mark Davis, Amy Trask, John Herrera or Chuck B himself made these moves ???
seriously?
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Did any of those moves hurt the Raiders. Most of those are injury-related moves that someone had to make or tinkering with the bottom of the roster.
The only one of real significance that required decision-making was the Curry trade. And I think that was a great deal.
Just because you’re saying, OK, this guy is hurt and is obviously done for the season and you place him on I.R. is not the same thing as devising defensive game plans and calling the defenses.
We all know Hue is the head coach, but his specialty and focus is on offense, not defense.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
You can put me down for Hire a GM and watch that GM shoot Jackson. Or call me up, I will stroll over to Alameda and shoot him and the staff for the new GM.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Appearing Tuesday on ESPN’s First Take, Suggs took a shot at Tebow. “With all due respect we don’t need God on our sidelines,” Suggs said, via Yahoo.com.
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Awesomeness.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. R8dercain
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
January 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
All these facts. The only thing that is a fact in here is:
Nobody in here knows what Hue was aloowed to do on the D side of the ball.
Nobody knows what he did do on the D side of the ball.
Mistic is a douche nozzle.
These are facts everything else is just talk.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
The GRAY AREA List:
Hire a GM like former Raider Reggie McKenzie and let him make moves as he sees fit. Which will, in all likelihood, include retaining Hue Jackson as Head Coach and upgrading the coaching staff, roster and controling the draft with input from scouting dept. and coaching staff (as it should be in the NFL).
1. LA to TheBay
January 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
LOL
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Jacksonville had one of the best defenses in the league
January 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Put me on the “if you get rid of Hue, might as well dump Carson too and really clean house” list! Hue definitely had typical first year problems, but I don’t see why he has to be canned; but if he is, and we have a plan of starting over; can’t keep what was easily his most controversial acquisition around.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
Palmers the best QB Oakland has had since Gannon PERIOD.
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Easy to sit above a crowd of guys that includes Brooks, Culpepper, Jamarcus, Collins, Gradkowski.
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Thanks for proving my point
January 4th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
297.Chris in NY Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Palmer also has 16 INTs and 13 TDs to go with his 8.4 YPPA.
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I know. That’s the obvious knock and he’s a gunslinger. He’s going to push the ball down the field and he’ll throw some picks from time to time.
But consider …
- 6 of those 16 picks came in the first two games where he had just come in cold, barely knew the offense or the receivers.
- Another 4 of those picks came against GB where he was clearly trying to do too much and trying to make things happen and a couple got away from him.
I know, they still count and hurt. But aside from the Green Bay outlier, he really settled in and the picks were not bad after those first two games back. Averaged just under a pick a game outside of those first two and the Green Bay game. That’s about what Brees and Peyton Manning average most years.
You want the big plays? The 300- and 400-yard games? The throws like the ones in the last two games to Denarius Moore or the OT game-winner against KC to DHB? Gotta live with a pick a game or so.
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I don’t have to live with a damn thing! Aaron Rogers and Brady push it down the field without the picks. And we’re not even counting the dropped picks. Capt pick has also mastered the art of the PICK SIX!! This gunslinger excuse you keep making for him is bullschitt. The guy just does boneheaded things, like throwing the ball in the middle of the field at the end of the half against SD. There was talk at USC that he’s a little slow. After that play, I was convinced the guy is slightly retarded.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
317. Mistra posting to himslef again. Sick f*ck
January 4th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Did any of those moves hurt the Raiders. Most of those are injury-related moves that someone had to make or tinkering with the bottom of the roster.
The only one of real significance that required decision-making was the Curry trade. And I think that was a great deal.
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Chris,
I’m talking to those guys saying Hue Jackson had no control of the defense and it really wasn’t his responsibility. If you’re not one of them, don’t bother responding – no disrespect intended
January 4th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Raider O Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Palmer also has 16 INTs and 13 TDs to go with his 8.4 YPPA.
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I know. That’s the obvious knock and he’s a gunslinger. He’s going to push the ball down the field and he’ll throw some picks from time to time.
But consider …
- 6 of those 16 picks came in the first two games where he had just come in cold, barely knew the offense or the receivers.
- Another 4 of those picks came against GB where he was clearly trying to do too much and trying to make things happen and a couple got away from him.
I know, they still count and hurt. But aside from the Green Bay outlier, he really settled in and the picks were not bad after those first two games back. Averaged just under a pick a game outside of those first two and the Green Bay game. That’s about what Brees and Peyton Manning average most years.
You want the big plays? The 300- and 400-yard games? The throws like the ones in the last two games to Denarius Moore or the OT game-winner against KC to DHB? Gotta live with a pick a game or so.
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chris i hear that and agree to a point, but how do you explain the 26 picks last year? he had that system mastered and has been in it for years on top of years.
Or what about the 3 passes that bounced off defenders in the first half last week?
palmer isnt good enough protecting the ball, and has been for the last two years just good enough to get beaten.
If he wants to improve he can start by turning down the picks, and being more conservative. Forcing the ball into double triple and quintuple coverage like he did this year are unacceptable, and he did that after several weeks in a raider uniform under his belt.
Cant doubt his physical tools, he throws a very nice ball. The question is what is happening between his ears, and does his heart pump kool aid in the face of the pass rush?
Also he needs to lose the attitude arguing with hue jack going into the tunnel, after lousing up the end of half filed goal attempt.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
So now YPA is the end all, be all when it comes to QBs?
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And it tells that a Q is looking down the field trying to make plays, and is very accurate down the field
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How does it tell of the accuracy? An attempt will also include interceptions.
And YAC can easily inflate that YPA number. I saw DHB gain a lot of extra yardage on his receptions.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Like I posted earlier my vote says hire a GM let him evaluate the TEAM as a whole an go from there I like hue if he’s in he’s in if not than so be it!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
311. Amen
January 4th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
308.Twocents Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
ElkGRaider, Can’t be. Sully is a socialist commie and I am a Anarcho-Capitalist. Borrowing one of Cork’s replies from yesterday, “Kick rocks, bro.”
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You sound a whole lot like Sandusky “bro” with your talk of Ron Wolf….
Anarcho-Capitalist?? Sounds like the movie Mad Max…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
295.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You are obviously slow. Houston got into the playoffs despite their injuries, because they have the number 4 ranked DEFENSE in the entire NFL!
WE had all of those same injuries but WE demonstrated from the SECOND GAME OF THE FREAKIN SEASON AGAINST BUFFALO, that we are arguably the worst defense in the LEAGUE!
The Number 4 defense vs arguably the WORST defense in pro football. Subsequently they are in the playoffs, and we are not.
Simple common sense. But that is obviously too complicated for you.
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Don’t insult me. Jacksonville had one of the best defenses in the league and they are 5-11. Jets had a very good defense and they are sitting their fat asses on the couch, just like you. New England and GB have absolutely terrible defenses statistically, and some how miraculously, they are in. Yet you guys all think our offense was good enough to get in but somehow we didn’t make it. Either you don’t know what you are talking about, or you’re stupid. Which one is it?
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Dude, you crack me up. Just a little while ago, you said Jacksonville was rebuilding. Now they have one of he best Ds in the league. Oh and one more thing, they have the NFL’s leading rusher. With Garrard, they were probably Super Bowl bound.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
Thanks for proving my point
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You’re welcome. Palmer is the puke compared to the crap of Collins, Brooks, etc. I’m glad you agree.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Look guys its like this if not for the CP3 trade we’d be talking bout the draft. CP gave us more hope than JC
(an i like HIM BTW) has done. as far as IM concerned an Im sure the raiders to were attached to carson for at least three seasons. so get used to it. He is good an will only be better with a healthy DMAC. An a full offseason. Ill save my eval til then.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Do me a favor and tell me what team in playoffs had more injuries to key player???
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Houston. Lost their Pro Bowl starting Q for the season. Lost their 2nd string Q. Lost their 3rd string Q. Lost Andre Johnson arguably the best reciever in the game for long stretches. Lost Arian Foster last years leading rusher. Result: 10-6 and playoffs.
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Bullshcit. They ‘lost’ foster for the first two games. He played the rest of the season. They were a .500 team after their QB got hurt in week 10, we were 1 win south of .500 after ours got hurt. Oh and they have a TOP 5 defense, we have a bottom 3 defense. See how that makes a difference genius.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
2011 Yards Per Pass Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
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So now YPA is the end all, be all when it comes to QBs? You really think Capt Pick is even in the same universe as Brees? Every other QB on that list is in the playoffs. Why isn’t Capt Pick? And before you blame the defense, check out GB’s defensive stats. When it comes to results, JC is far and away the best QB the Raiders have had since Gannon. Right now, Palmer is a bust, something you could argue his whole career has been. By the way, since you’re so hung up on 400-yd games, please rate Vince Young’s performance against New England this year.
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Here’s the top 10 in Yards per Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
Ben Roethlisberger 7.9
Phillip Rivers 7.9
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
7) Tony Romo 8.0
10) Michael Vick 7.8
10) Cam Newton 7.8
Here are the bottom 10:
- Josh Freeman 6.5
- Mark Sanchez 6.4
- Tim Tebow 6.4
- Matt Cassel 6.4
- Christian Ponder 6.4
- Curtis Painter 6.3
- Dan Orlovsky 6.2
- Sam Bradford 6.1
- Colt McCoy 5.9
- Blaine Gabbert 5.4
YPA is not the end-all, be-all. But I think it is one of the more useful stats when sizing up QB play. I think if you look at those groupings of the top 10 in that stat and where they are and how they are regarded and then the bottom 10 and the kinds of seasons they had and where their teams are it’s hard to argue with.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
316.LA to TheBay Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
The GRAY AREA List:
Hire a GM like former Raider Reggie McKenzie and let him make moves as he sees fit. Which will, in all likelihood, include retaining Hue Jackson as Head Coach and upgrading the coaching staff, roster and controling the draft with input from scouting dept. and coaching staff (as it should be in the NFL).
1. LA to TheBay
THE LIST with Silver & Black Blood All over it:
Hire the best qualified individual out there, and if he fires Hue, he better fire Hue’s adopted son Carson too. Fire the entire defensive staff (sorry Greg and Rod; gotta clean house the right way – from the bottom up). And somehow, someway, get Sterling Moore back in here….
1. SilverAndBlackBleeder
January 4th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
The GRAY AREA List:
Hire a GM like former Raider Reggie McKenzie and let him make moves as he sees fit. Which will, in all likelihood, include retaining Hue Jackson as Head Coach and upgrading the coaching staff, roster and controling the draft with input from scouting dept. and coaching staff (as it should be in the NFL).
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Add me on to this list. Also why is this a gray area. Most Management models in sports programs usually have the decision maker deciding who stay and goes.
I’ll accept fault with any decision, but that decision maker is not gray, more like black and white.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
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REMOVE ME FROM THIS LIST THIS ISNT MY TAKE T ALL!!!!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
I was posting to Peymour Bish, what are you blind & dumb?
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GoodOle00 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
317. Mistra posting to himslef again. Sick f*ck
January 4th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
I would never agree to give a coach complete control? How often has that been successful. Like other have said, Hue may have have tom uch control and was not able to focus on his job. As he stated, it was not even able to meet with Carson as aften as he and Carsen would have liked, so how does anyone think he would have been able to sit in on all Defensive meetings. Bottom line a GM and Hue needs to interview a DC very soon, so they are build there own Defensive staff. That is how a d is succesful. Many have said that Al’s hands was on the D more than the O, so losing him may have been a bigger hit to the D.
A smart GM will kep Hue and help him build a team and staff that can when.
The last back to back 8-8 season was followed by 3 straight AFC West titles.
Gruden 1st 2 years
1 wins in last 6 games -1998
2 wins in last 6 games -1999
But everyone wants to fire Hue after 1 year, wow!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Chicago web site suggest that Bears want to interview McKenzie, and also face similar org cluster fk with head coach having a say in new GM hire. Davis and Trask better make sure Jackson says all the right things or McKenzie will bail. And we can’t afford that.
http://www.csnchicago.com/blog/bears-talk/post/Bears-need-to-avoid-Oakland-like-tension?blockID=624748&feedID=626
January 4th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
THE OFFICIAL LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. RIP
23. ElkG
24. Duck
25. TwoCents
26. Cain
27. Sey Bush
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
10. Da Trinity
11. Retro
12. BCZ
13. Bleeder
Any changes or people I left out ???
January 4th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Do we have to interview a black GM before we hire anyone?
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Dude, Reggie McKenzie is Black.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Chris in NY, there are definitely a lot more elite WRs on the teams of those top 10 YPA QBs. Better offensive lines for the most part too.
There’s a lot more factoring into this than to proclaim it all about the QB. I sure as fk wouldn’t want Ben R, Manning, Vick or Romo on this team.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Rockstar take your list and shove it up your fvckin as$. Go ahead and point out where I said I want Hue to have full control. “Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:” I never said that and it really fvckin pisses me off when you ALWAYS put fvckin words in my mouth!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Gruden 1st 2 years
1 wins in last 6 games -1998
2 wins in last 6 games -1999
But everyone wants to fire Hue after 1 year, wow!!
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Really sick of this being brought up.
Two entirely different situations. Different coaches, different players, different everything.
Gruden’s team meshing gears after 3 seasons in no way indicates that Jackson’s would.
And would you all want to give Jackson a 3rd year if he stays and 2012 is a re-enactment of 2011? Insanity.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
339.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
THE OFFICIAL LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. RIP
23. ElkG
24. Duck
25. TwoCents
26. Cain
27. Sey Bush
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Armchair
9. Debo
10. Da Trinity
11. Retro
12. BCZ
13. Bleeder
Any changes or people I left out ???
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Get me off of that RR….That isn’t my take at all. I’m of the belief that Hue should stick around, but if he goes; he goes. I just believe if he is fired; we should clean house the right way and dump everyone who Hue brought along for the ride who invites a decent amount of scrutiny and controversy…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Davis and Trask better make sure Jackson says all the right things or McKenzie will bail. And we can’t afford that.
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Ohio,
exactly why Hue Jax should not even be involved in this process!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Hire a GM like former Raider Reggie McKenzie and let him make moves as he sees fit. Which will, in all likelihood, include retaining Hue Jackson as Head Coach and upgrading the coaching staff, roster and controling the draft with input from scouting dept. and coaching staff (as it should be in the NFL).
Now that is a little more accurate.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
hey BCZ,
hows it going?
January 4th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Here’s the top 10 in Yards per Attempt:
1) Aaron Rodgers 9.2
2) Tom Brady 8.6
3) Matt Schaub 8.5
4) Eli Manning 8.4
4) CARSON PALMER 8.4
6) Drew Brees 8.3
7) Tony Romo 8.0
Ben Roethlisberger 7.9
Phillip Rivers 7.9
10) Michael Vick 7.8
10) Cam Newton 7.8
Here are the bottom 10:
- Josh Freeman 6.5
- Mark Sanchez 6.4
- Tim Tebow 6.4
- Matt Cassel 6.4
- Christian Ponder 6.4
- Curtis Painter 6.3
- Dan Orlovsky 6.2
- Sam Bradford 6.1
- Colt McCoy 5.9
- Blaine Gabbert 5.4
YPA is not the end-all, be-all. But I think it is one of the more useful stats when sizing up QB play. I think if you look at those groupings of the top 10 in that stat and where they are and how they are regarded and then the bottom 10 and the kinds of seasons they had and where their teams are it’s hard to argue with.
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Carson Palmer is not a Top-20 QB in this league.
PRINT THAT!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
January 4th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
22. R8dercain
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
2. Da Trinity
3. RaiderRetribution
4. RaiderDuck
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Actually someone reposted the wrong list
heres the repost from a bit ago
January 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is not a Top-20 QB in this league.
PRINT THAT!
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LOL. Aye, aye there, cap’n.
Of course you’re the one who thought JaMarcus could’ve been great and would go on to be great with another team. (How’s that working out, by the way?) So your opinion is taken at a 95% discount.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
hey BCZ,
hows it going?
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It will be going much better when you stop printing lies about me. In fact, it will be much better when you get off my d!ck period. You make it a fvckin point every day to mention me in something and it pisses me off. I’m fvckin sick of it.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is not a Top-20 QB in this league.
PRINT THAT!
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So youre sayin a QB from that bottom list is better?? Who?!? This will give a laugh…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
OMG, McFadden would have practiced today!, REALLY?!?!
(sarcasm)
January 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is not a Top-20 QB in this league.
PRINT THAT!
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So youre sayin a QB from that bottom list is better?? Who?!? This will give a laugh…
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This is the guy who still defends JaDrank. That should tell you all you need to know.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
If Im not mistaken GB runs a similar Defense to the Raiders. A 4-3 scheme w/ a lot of man coverage. McKenzie knows that system and the players that fit that system. Add to the fact that he is former Raider. It all makes sense.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
raidertay Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
If Im not mistaken GB runs a similar Defense to the Raiders. A 4-3 scheme w/ a lot of man coverage.
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You are mistaken. Dom Capers runs a 3-4 zone heavy scheme.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Cain,
there is only 1 list, but semi pros keep trying to amend it … so as not to make themselves look stupid down the road
it’s called fear. people don’t wanna say what they really think because they might be wrong, so they decide on some neutral in-between stance that was never an option by the original list composer
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
353.KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
OMG, McFadden would have practiced today!, REALLY?!?!
(sarcasm)
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I know man. I know. How important 4 days are to a sprained foot after 8+ WEEKS!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
PFT reporting that Jackson advocates a kind of seance, with the coach presiding over a ceremony whereby spirits of Raiders Past are summoned to submit questions to the potential GM. Short on the list: Blanda, Tatum, Alzado, Dalby, Upshaw, Matuszak. Curiously, the author reports, Al Davis was left off the list.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
355.raidertay Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
If Im not mistaken GB runs a similar Defense to the Raiders. A 4-3 scheme w/ a lot of man coverage. McKenzie knows that system and the players that fit that system. Add to the fact that he is former Raider. It all makes sense.
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Uh…hate to rain on your parade but GB’s defense isnt exactly the one I want to be immitating right now…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
If Im not mistaken GB runs a similar Defense to the Raiders. A 4-3 scheme w/ a lot of man coverage. McKenzie knows that system and the players that fit that system. Add to the fact that he is former Raider. It all makes sense.
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Isn’t it a 3-4, they have 4 good linebackers: Clay Matthews, AJ Hawk, Desmond Bishop and Walden. Pickett is a FA?
January 4th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
It will be going much better when you stop printing lies about me
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BCZ,
everybody in here knows what side of the list you’re on. that really shouldn’t come as a surprise to anyone
right or wrong, you defend Hue Jax on just about everything. embrace it. quit living in denial
January 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
Uh…hate to rain on your parade but GB’s defense isnt exactly the one I want to be immitating right now…
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Uh, if we could imitate their offense, I would be fine imitating their defense.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Thats because your list is bullsh1t. I dont want Hue fired, but I don’t want him to have total control either. See the difference genius. I never said Hue was perfect, I question decisions he has made, but he is a human, doing a job he has never done before, under circumstances NO ONE has ever faced before. Why should he be fired? Thats just fvckin stupid. Or hadn’t you realized what the coaching carousel has done to the Raiders since Tom Flores left.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
And since we’re on the topic of lists; put me on the “if we can get at least 2 early round draft picks for him; trade DMC list”
January 4th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Cain,
there is only 1 list, but semi pros keep trying to amend it … so as not to make themselves look stupid down the road
it’s called fear. people don’t wanna say what they really think because they might be wrong, so they decide on some neutral in-between stance that was never an option by the original list composer
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Agreed. Don’t need 15 different categories. Either you’re riding with Hue or you’re not. I realize that everybody’s got nuances and specifications on that, but I think that’s the basic idea of the thing.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
350.SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is not a Top-20 QB in this league.
PRINT THAT!
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LOL. Aye, aye there, cap’n.
Of course you’re the one who thought JaMarcus could’ve been great and would go on to be great with another team. (How’s that working out, by the way?) So your opinion is taken at a 95% discount.
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A hell of a lot of people with more football knowledge than either one of us thought Jamarcus could be great too. How else do you explain his being taken #1 overall? The Raiders just fcked it up.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=cr-russellstruggles100809
January 4th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
353.KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
OMG, McFadden would have practiced today!, REALLY?!?!
(sarcasm)
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I know man. I know. How important 4 days are to a sprained foot after 8+ WEEKS!!
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The comments reek of desperation from an out-of-control egomaniac man on the verge of being marginalized by a new boss that he doesn’t want.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
364
Exactly right.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
A hell of a lot of people with more football knowledge than either one of us thought Jamarcus could be great too. How else do you explain his being taken #1 overall? The Raiders just fcked it up.
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He did have the potential to be great.
He just didn’t have it within himself to translate that potential into actuality.
The Raiders didn’t fck anything up. He did.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I DO embrace the fact that I want Hue Jackson to remain our head coach. I clearly have NEVER ran from that fact. But you can’t find anywhere where I said I want him to have MORE control, or even as MUCH control as he had this year. I just want the guy to be given the opportunity to be our HC. Not our HC/GM/Player Personal guy/every other thing he had to deal with. Youre too fvckin short sighted to see that because I don’t agree with you. Thats it.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
I dont want Hue fired, but I don’t want him to have total control either. See the difference
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BCZ,
if you want Hue to be HC and you think he should assist in picking his new boss, you prob belong in that 2nd list
if you want to hire a GM and have Hue re-apply for his job, while we consider other candidates … you prob belong in that 1st list
January 4th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach(WITH SEVERELY LIMITED CONTROL) for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
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THIS SOUNDS OK …
January 4th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
BCZ,
I believe thats what RRS an I an the other 22ppl are saying if he’s in he’s in if not than it’ll be the GM with the final say.
Is that not clear bro!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
363.RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
Uh…hate to rain on your parade but GB’s defense isnt exactly the one I want to be immitating right now…
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Uh, if we could imitate their offense, I would be fine imitating their defense.
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What kind of argument are you making? Of course I want our O to be as dangerous as GB’s. I DONT want that defense. Its swiss cheese…I like provalone…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
343.SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Gruden 1st 2 years
1 wins in last 6 games -1998
2 wins in last 6 games -1999
But everyone wants to fire Hue after 1 year, wow!!
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Really sick of this being brought up.
Two entirely different situations. Different coaches, different players, different everything.
Gruden’s team meshing gears after 3 seasons in no way indicates that Jackson’s would.
And would you all want to give Jackson a 3rd year if he stays and 2012 is a re-enactment of 2011? Insanity.
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So I get it, every coach should be given 1 year to bring a franchise back from the dead??
I will actually count 2010 as a year for him, so that is 8-8 and 2011 was 8-8. To fire him this season after dealing with what he has had to deal with would be a dumb move.
Next year is his do or die year, bit this year!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
368.RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
353.KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
OMG, McFadden would have practiced today!, REALLY?!?!
(sarcasm)
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I know man. I know. How important 4 days are to a sprained foot after 8+ WEEKS!!
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The comments reek of desperation from an out-of-control egomaniac man on the verge of being marginalized by a new boss that he doesn’t want.
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Sounds like (as others have predicted before me) DMC will be PRIMED and READY for the probowl. What a joke…
January 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I want Hue to remain the HC. I don’t think he should have any input in the new GM, never have come close to saying that. If the new GM comes in and lets Hue go, I will be disappointed because I like Hue and what he has brought to this team. I also agree that if it is actually true that Hue’s contract states that he answers only to the owner then that needs to be ammended… unless by some twisted turn of events Mark decides to be the new GM.
I DONT want to be associated with your list. Be creative man. You have tried to start about 10 different ‘lists’ since Dakota did his DMAC list.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
McFadden would have practiced today
…………………………
BFD
BS
Not buyin that horse schit
THERE IS NO TODAY? Schit, fking season ended two weeks ago against roit. where the hell was he then. Oh wait, we playin sunday?
January 4th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
r8dercain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
BCZ,
I believe thats what RRS an I an the other 22ppl are saying if he’s in he’s in if not than it’ll be the GM with the final say.
Is that not clear bro!!
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Not when you put me on a list that I didn’t ask to be a part of, and then twist my words into saying things I didnt say.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
A new Gm will probably keep hue through his contract due to the CP3 factor there linked at the hip.
But if the Gm decides to go another route im completely for it. I put up with A lot of Mr. Davis decisions even tryed justifying some.
Im raiders do or die. If they decide to go anther route than SO BE IT!!!
THE END!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
This just in…
Mcfadden would have practiced today …
Chaz would have gotten hurt at practice today …
DHB would have dropped a pass at practice today ….
And Palmer would have thrown 5 INTS at practice today …
January 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
That’s what’s so disappointing. We were about to get totally healthy at the right time. I know he was going to give it a go. He felt much better than what he had been feeling, and we really felt comfortable that he was mending properly and ready to get back out there with the guys.”
If nothing else, that bodes well for McFadden being healthy enough to practice once offseason workouts begin.
………….
how convenient
January 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
And Tommy Kelly would have had a Big MAC and fries at practice today …
January 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Jesus Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
And Tommy Kelly would have had a Big MAC and fries at practice today …
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Double/Double and animal fries
January 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
I want Hue to remain the HC. I don’t think he should have any input in the new GM, never have come close to saying that. If the new GM comes in and lets Hue go, I will be disappointed because I like Hue and what he has brought to this team. I also agree that if it is actually true that Hue’s contract states that he answers only to the owner then that needs to be ammended… unless by some twisted turn of events Mark decides to be the new GM.
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BCZ,
this is why you’re still a semi-pro blogger imo, even though you’re hateful when people disagree with you … you make solid comments most of the time and are an asset to the blog. Cheers! Have a glass of ice cold water. I’ll pick up the tab
January 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
It will be going much better when you stop printing lies about me. In fact, it will be much better when you get off my d!ck period. You make it a fvckin point every day to mention me in something and it pisses me off. I’m fvckin sick of it.
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LOL!!
Great list Rock
January 4th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
anybody hear yet if the D staff has been canned yet? The suspense is amking my ass itch.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Sloppy Joe Says:
anybody hear yet if the D staff has been canned yet? The suspense is amking my ass itch.
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Try Tough Actin’ Tinactin for that.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
take me off of that list too, dont speak for me thank you
January 4th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I think Mark Davis is listening to John Madden, Ron Wolf. Who knows what they’re saying about HueJax. But judging by how fast they brought McKenzie in. I wouldn’t worry too much about HueJax running out of control.
January 4th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
390.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
take me off of that list too, dont speak for me thank you
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Trolls shouldnt have been on in the first place…
January 4th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
4.Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Best case scenario as of now, for me:
GM: Reggie McKenzie.
Personnel: Elliot Wolf.
HC: Hue Jackson.
DC: Mike Trgovac.
Give Hue next season to focus on coaching full-time, as opposed to last year, he’ll have a normal off-season to get Carson and the WR’s in-synch and work with Trgovac on Defense.
This would also allow the new front-office to properly evaluate Hue and the players on this team and see what direction we need to go if it doesn’t work out.
Obviously with the understanding that Hue has to buy in, he’s a coach not a GM, that’s where his future lies and if he’s a smart man he will acknowledge that working with those guys and bringing back the Raiders to the playoffs is his best path to a long, successful career as a Head Coach.
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That’s a good post.
Except I want Nolan for DC.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
“ElkGRaider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
390.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
take me off of that list too, dont speak for me thank you
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Trolls shouldnt have been on in the first place…”
I agree 100% Nice post ELK
January 4th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
This Mcfadden report is a SICK JOKE!
So Hue’s telling us these last 72 hours have made a big impact in his rcovery and that he’d have played after just 1 week of practice, w/out pads?
Pure BS…
and what’s w/ this “we fealt”…what happened to the opld” it’s up to the medical staff” line he was so good at throwing out there for the last 2 weeks…
Hue has ZERO credibility…
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“That’s a good post.
Except I want Nolan for DC.”
I want Del Rio!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What I want to know is did the meeting with McKenzie take place Oakland or Green Bay?
I would consider it positive if it was in Green Bay.
After all, McKenzie is chasing a Super Bowl for his organization while the Raiders are just wannabes.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hue did not do a terrible job this year.
Let him pick his own coaching staff then draw that conclusion.
Anybody can say what they would have done after the game.
To many injuries and yes he did try to make to many moves in the middle of the season, but lost of times he had no choice. Many key players went down from week to week.
Our defensive secondary was terrible from day one and got worse as each injury doubled up. Before the season even started I said our secondary was going to be our #1 down fall. W/O DMAC to control the clock and eat away more yards and keep the defense honest, they ate us up. Palmer still needed more timing with the WRs and over all he was not bad for a dude who was chilling on the couch half the season.
Hue did not just go grab players with no ryme or reason. He did his best to get who was available and play them up and give him a chance to compete. Many of you talk like he had probowl talent to go choose from when each man went down.
If Cable coached this team no doubt in my mind they would have had 4 wins for the season. Yeah, I would have loved to see us creep into the play-offs, but this team is not ready. They would have got blasted in the first round.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
396.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“That’s a good post.
Except I want Nolan for DC.”
I want Del Rio!
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He’s a positive.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
True CJ
Cable had a losing record against legit teams like the Steelers, Colts, Falcons, Saints, Jets, etc.
At least with Hue we were able to beat the Texans and Jets, hung with the Patriots for a while, should have beaten the playoff-bound Lions.
It was definite progress to not get blown out of every legit non-afc west game.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
By the way for all of those fans out there who thought Palmer’s passes were because he was rusty. Wrong answer!!! Palmer has bene careless with the ball the last two years in Cincy. He will make some of the most lovely spirals you have ever seen and they will make you jump for joy one minute and cry the next. JC could never make Palmer down field passes to the corner, but never expect him to throw smart passes every play. That is not his game! He likes to gamble down field. You just have to wish for more Yeahs!!! Than all $#!T!!!!!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
400.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
True CJ
Cable had a losing record against legit teams like the Steelers, Colts, Falcons, Saints, Jets, etc.
At least with Hue we were able to beat the Texans and Jets, hung with the Patriots for a while, should have beaten the playoff-bound Lions.
It was definite progress to not get blown out of every legit non-afc west game.
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Cable went 8-8 and swept the division while Hue didn’t.
You could do this shiite all day.
Why bother?
Cable’s did good stuff for us but he’s gone.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
elk, and silver and smack
why do you call me a troll? I guess anyone that disagrees with you about qbs, and proves you wrong time and time again fits the bill
oh well
January 4th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
More damning for Hue to me,
isn’t the 8-8 record, it’s that we got blown out in back to back games, 1 by the SB Champ and the other by a AFC bottom dweller…
Add the fact we went 3-5 at home and lost UGLY to SD/KC and Den at home…
Dude needs to go back to being an OC somewhere.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
england raider
because the “divison” changes year to year as far as who’s good, who’s not.
Teams like the Packers, Patriots, Falcons, Steelers, Saints, Jets…
those are measuring sticks to see how legit you are.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
That list is crap.
Everybody wants a GM, everyone would love to get Reggie McKenzie or someone like him.
There’s no argument there.
The list should just be like Chris in NY said:
You either want Hue Jackson to return as coach next year or you don’t.
That’s the first decision McKenzie or anyone else will have to make.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Jesus Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
This just in…
Mcfadden would have practiced today …
Chaz would have gotten hurt at practice today …
DHB would have dropped a pass at practice today ….
And Palmer would have thrown 5 INTS at practice today …
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Shouldn’t you be running windsprints with Tebow or something?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
As soon as we lose our 2nd consecutive game, fans will be calling for McKenzie’s head. These homerish, Davis worshiping Raider fans don’t believe in team building. They think if we just have some burners at WR and a QB that can throw far, we should go 16-0.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Oh well!
Time to watch another team in black win the play-offs. Looks like it will not be the Raiders agian. How about those Saints, now that is a team be jealous of.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
By the way for all of those fans out there who thought Palmer’s passes were because he was rusty. Wrong answer!!! Palmer has bene careless with the ball the last two years in Cincy. He will make some of the most lovely spirals you have ever seen and they will make you jump for joy one minute and cry the next. JC could never make Palmer down field passes to the corner, but never expect him to throw smart passes every play. That is not his game! He likes to gamble down field. You just have to wish for more Yeahs!!! Than all $#!T!!!!!!!!
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watch out you will labeled a troll for making this much sense.
I found myself holding my breath every time he raised his arm to pass the ball.
He must cut the picks or we will not go far next year.
to that point i doubt hue jack will sit by and do nothing if palmer starts to stink it up next year like he did this year. We were kind of stuck with him. Bring in a quality qb next year and replace palmer if he struggles.
Ther are some guys on the bench in the nfl that would make good development guys like ryan perilloux or joe webb. i bet Hue jack could make these guys into outstanding qbs, they have the natural talent
January 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
lol Heathen,
blown out by the Super Bowl champs?? was it honestly surprising given what players we had out there, and our D?
And seriously, the Chiefs game with no QB or McFadden, and two pick-6s by unqualified QBs?
those really upset you, huh?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Reggie McKenzie & Eliot Wolf!
“Every time I try to get out, they keep dragging me back in!”
January 4th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
If Cable coached this team no doubt in my mind they would have had 4 wins for the season
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CJL,
r u 4 real?
Cable/Jackson would have netted 4 fewer wins than Jackson/Saunders ???
January 4th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“That’s a good post.
Except I want Nolan for DC.”
I want Del Rio!
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I’ll take either. That’s who I want though, an experienced DC with a proven track record of success who knows what he’s doing, will put guys in position to make plays and will hold those players accountable.
Nothing against Winston Moss or Darren Perry or any of the other names that have been thrown out there. They could all be excellent DCs. But this is a key year for us and I don’t want to roll the dice with an unproven DC like the Eagles did this year. Give me a proven guy who can run that side of the show like Wade Phillips did in Houston this year.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
those are measuring sticks to see how legit you are.
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Measuring sticks huh?
Yeah..that’s how football works.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
412.KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Reggie McKenzie & Eliot Wolf!
“Every time I try to get out, they keep dragging me back in!”
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LOL!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
That list is b.s. No way mistic wants to keep Hue no matter what, not after the way Hue treated mistic’s hero Jason Campbell. In Mistic’s eyes, Jason Campbell is Aaron Rodgers.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
DMAC is all of a sudden cleared a full go 4 days after we’re eliminated. LOL! Those 4 days made all the differance.
Sometimes you just have to keep your mouth shut. I could give a sh!t about any news on DMAC at this time.
All i want to hear about is a new GM and Bres flushed down the bowl.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Nobody has said =
“Fire Hue yesterday, then find a GM & coach”
January 4th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
No way mistic wants to keep Hue no matter what, not after the way Hue treated mistic’s hero Jason Campbell. In Mistic’s eyes, Jason Campbell is Aaron Rodgers.
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LOL @ MR!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“That’s a good post.
Except I want Nolan for DC.”
I want Del Rio!
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I’ll take either. That’s who I want though, an experienced DC with a proven track record of success who knows what he’s doing, will put guys in position to make plays and will hold those players accountable.
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I would take either too.
Jack’s a hard man and definitely has a pair.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Cut to September of Next year. Raiders lose 2 straight, 2-2 record.
“McKEnzies garbage!”
“Ship McKenzie back to GB! I knew he sucked!!”
“McKenzie and his big f’n mouth are ruining everything great about this franchise, and now we’re losing to boot. Fire him now, Amy!!”
January 4th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I just hope McKenzie doesn’t say anything about having a vision for this franchise. Because then GG will call him a big mouthed punk. His job as GM here is to basically follow a blueprint put together by John Herrera and Amy Trask outlining everything Al Davis would do.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
408.Sullivan44 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
As soon as we lose our 2nd consecutive game, fans will be calling for McKenzie’s head. These homerish, Davis worshiping Raider fans don’t believe in team building. They think if we just have some burners at WR and a QB that can throw far, we should go 16-0.
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Having a bad day MR?
Mom been yelling at you to get of the sofa again?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
No way mistic wants to keep Hue no matter what, not after the way Hue treated mistic’s hero Jason Campbell. In Mistic’s eyes, Jason Campbell is Aaron Rodgers.
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Jason Campbell was 4-2, ok?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
397.Twocents Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
What I want to know is did the meeting with McKenzie take place Oakland or Green Bay?
I would consider it positive if it was in Green Bay.
After all, McKenzie is chasing a Super Bowl for his organization while the Raiders are just wannabes.
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He’s a personel man. I’m sure he doesnt have much work to do being there is no draft in February and there is only one college game on today (how these two conferences get automatic BCS bids is beyond me). Exactly what else should he be doing right now?!?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
I just hope McKenzie doesn’t say anything about having a vision for this franchise. Because then GG will call him a big mouthed punk. His job as GM here is to basically follow a blueprint put together by John Herrera and Amy Trask outlining everything Al Davis would do.
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Stupid sh!t right there. If this team doesn’t move away from Al’s vision, get used to mediocrity or worse.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
“why do you call me a troll?”
Because you litter the blog with useless nonsense like MR.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Having a bad day MR?
Mom been yelling at you to get of the sofa again?
……..
No, but your mom’s telling me to join her on the sofa, if you know what I mean.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Fire Hue yesterday
1. Plunketthead
Keep Hue
1
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Nobody has said =
“Fire Hue yesterday, then find a GM & coach”
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Plunk,
Nope. I did say that Hue never should have been hired as HC in the first place and that he remains unqualified for the job
does that count for anything ???
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
That list is b.s. No way mistic wants to keep Hue no matter what, not after the way Hue treated mistic’s hero Jason Campbell. In Mistic’s eyes, Jason Campbell is Aaron Rodgers.
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In your eyes your cousin is your wife/ sex slave …
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Jason Campbell can be all the 4-2 you want. Against a team that stops the run?? Whats his record then??
Would love to have him as our backup…
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
No, but your mom’s telling me to join her on the sofa, if you know what I mean.
When are you gonna be old enough to babysit yourself?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Raiding Texas, tell that to GG. He was in here the other night making the case that Hue Jackson is a big mouth for ‘having a vision’ for this franchise. His job as coach is to coach the players that Al, and thus AMy Trask and John herrera, provide him with.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
“why do you call me a troll?”
Because you litter the blog with useless nonsense like MR.
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Listen who’s talking, too funny. You little 666 anti-social gossip.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
I just hope McKenzie doesn’t say anything about having a vision for this franchise. Because then GG will call him a big mouthed punk. His job as GM here is to basically follow a blueprint put together by John Herrera and Amy Trask outlining everything Al Davis would do.
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I just hope your family does not allow any children around you.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Rockstar You never rode Hues jock, I give you that
January 4th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Man you guys really are crazy. You want to stay with the same formula of firing a coach every year and you think you are going to the play-offs? LMAO!!! You don’t make the play-offs after season one and you want Hue’s head on the platter. As a Raiders fan I use to always defend my Raider brothers but some of you blog like crack heads!
Hue made it relevant to watch this team again. You thought they had a chance every Sunday even after big key injuries he kept duck taping this Ship of bandits to keep it on course. Give Hue a chance to take a chisel to this rock head of a team for more than a year.
Now you want to go back to the old formula of firing a coach after 1 year who showed promise? Do you recall who helped Cable’s dead offense when he was finally able to go 8-8? I think his name was Hue Jackson.
I got new for you all! Al Davis has gone home to his maker, John Madden is not coming back! Chucky is not coming back to coach! Gannon is not coming back to QB! Grow up and come back to reality. Hue Jackson is the head coach and we are finally getting a new GM.
Thank God!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Kell, remember when 666 was calling people uneducated, and when I asked him where he went to college, he never answered? lol.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Keep Chuck B! Keep Chuck B! the AFC west thx you !
January 4th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Well then our pimpin President, upside-down recipient of the chain of command/Owner/HC/OC/CEO/Major Decision Maker is at it again: he wishes he could have input in choosing a GM but will follow procedure as authorized.
So whorin Hue is laying down with his legs spread as Jerry Sandusky looms tall above him. Hue says, “okay honkey that’ll be $20 for me a suck, and $40 for half and half.” Sandusky replies: “I only like young boys not rolley-polley old Michelle men like you”, turns his head and vomits as he heads toward the door.
Hue screams “Jerry! wait! I’ll do the whole thing for $20…..” Sandusky keeps moving toward the door. Hue shouts, “Jerrr…..I’ll do it for $10…no $5!” Sandusky laughs and projectile vomits, leaves Hue covered in snot and chunkers of last night’s hamburger.
C’mon Mark and Amy: use your leverage, make Hue your water boy and whore monger; afterall in the end, he’s sooooo pitiful he’ll for free.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I am not of the opinion that this current Raider team is just a few players away from being contenders. I believe that we are flawed on offense just as much as we stink on defense.
We do have some play-makers on offense and none on defense, I will grant that. But our red zone performance is pathetic.
My obsession with McKenzie is about his ability to judge talent. And talent is what this team needs and a bunch of it.
Considering the state of draft this may take a year or two, but let’s start now, procrastination will get us nowhere.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
429.Sullivan44 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
# ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Having a bad day MR?
Mom been yelling at you to get of the sofa again?
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No, but your mom’s telling me to join her on the sofa, if you know what I mean.
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I don’t think so. I heard you liked to join your your mom on your sofa.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RR put me down as keep Hue for another year!
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431.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Nobody has said =
“Fire Hue yesterday, then find a GM & coach”
***
Plunk,
Nope. I did say that Hue never should have been hired as HC in the first place and that he remains unqualified for the job
does that count for anything ???
January 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
my name doent belong on that list because it doent represent my opinion. Some fool posted my name on the list and is trying to speak for me.
what a dumb ass
January 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Sandusky44 is back with his senseless babble acting like he has some kind of affiliation with the Raiders fan base.
The failed script writer and Hollywood homeless pan handler that moved into his mothers house out of desperation try’s selling his warped opinion to us here daily.
The single most amazing thing about your pathetic existence MR is that you keep coming back after getting pummeled in here daily!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The truth as we all know is that Al used to hire coaches who were either young or had little experience so he could dictate plays.
Breshahan was hired really late in the day when Al couldn’t find anyone else who was willing and wasn’t even working in the NFL at the time.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Team needs
1) Fire entire defensive staff and DC.
2) Cut entire defensive secondary except Giordano.
3) Cut Rolando McClain. 7-4 before his gun incident, 1-4 after. No talent in the world makes up for being a nuisance and a hindrance.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Was just thinking about that last game.
. 4th quarter, time running down.
.. Palmer to Boss — TD!!!
… Plus a 15 yard penalty tacked on to the kickoff.
…. Brilliant short-kick call and execution nearly nets a safety.
….. San Diego pinned back inside its own 1-yard line.
…… Denver’s losing.
……. A win gets us in.
…….. The fans are going bonkers in support of the team. Coliseum is rocking. Alive. Holy cow, I think we’re gonna make it. Nine long years of suffering through awful, hopeless Raider seasons about to be cleansed.
……… First down, Rivers drops back, complete, 19 yards to the 20-yard line.
………. Next play: Mike Freaking Tolbert breaks a couple of powder-puff league tackles and goes for 40 yards off left end.
……….. Next play: 7 more yards on the ground.
………… Next play: Rivers to Floyd, 43-yard touchdown.
Has there been a worse series, a bigger letdown in a key spot by a Raiders team ever? I suppose the Immaculate Reception was worse, but that was one lucky/B.S. play. This was a complete matador job with the season on the line.
Unbelievable.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
“Kell, remember when 666 was calling people uneducated, and when I asked him where he went to college, he never answered? lol.”
Notice how no one answers you, ever?
Yeah its because you are a nobody, a dweeb, a pathetic loser that cry’s for attention on this blog.
You are not allowed to say “WE” when talking about the raiders fan base players or organization as a whole.
You are not a Raider fan you are in no way affiliated with the Raider fan base.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
The truth as we all know is that Al used to hire coaches who were either young or had little experience so he could dictate plays.
Breshahan was hired really late in the day when Al couldn’t find anyone else who was willing and wasn’t even working in the NFL at the time.
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Bad decision.
So I hear from some bloggers, Marshall was fired because he was a Cable guy?
I knew immediately Bresnahan would bring what he brought.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Worse still was Ford falling down as a perfectly placed ball was headed his way. Might as well have put a bow on it for Cason.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Sullivan44 #449
You have it wrong on McClain, Sully: there is nothing there, no talent, no intelligence; it’s like making a snail the captain of the defense. Examine McClain: he’s way underbred with a sluffed off chin, beady eyes and a nasty goatee.
How AL chose him 8th overall is a mystery to me. Fire him yesterday!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
I knew immediately Bresnahan would bring what he brought.
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You should get a medal for that diagnosis. NO ONE else but you knew what our defense would be with Bres at the helm… no one. (except everyone who watches football)
January 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Sandusky44 therapeutic needs:
1. prescription of Lithium
2. Several mundane hours of psycho therapy
3. A job
4. His own apartment because even retards can support themselves.
5. Time away from the Blog where he lives in a fantasy world as a sub human
6. Sex with a relative other than his cousin
7. A lobotomy
January 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
“Kell, remember when 666 was calling people uneducated, and when I asked him where he went to college, he never answered? lol.”
Notice how no one answers you, ever?
Yeah its because you are a nobody, a dweeb, a pathetic loser that cry’s for attention on this blog.
You are not allowed to say “WE” when talking about the raiders fan base players or organization as a whole.
You are not a Raider fan you are in no way affiliated with the Raider fan base.
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Why don’t you worry about your own post’s. I get the same crap from you.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Sandusky44 therapeutic needs:
1. prescription of Lithium
2. Several mundane hours of psycho therapy
3. A job
4. His own apartment because even retards can support themselves.
5. Time away from the Blog where he lives in a fantasy world as a sub human
6. Sex with a relative other than his cousin
7. A lobotomy
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See? All we get is stupid childish trolling crap from you.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Bresnahan was the back-up plan.
Dennis Thurman from the Jets was the target but Rex Ryan blocked him, it’s documented.
“It was late January when Rex Ryan called secondary coach Dennis Thurman into his office.
The Oakland Raiders had asked to interview Thurman for their vacant defensive coordinator job, and Ryan explained to Thurman the Jets had denied permission.
“He wasn’t prepared to lose me,” Thurman said. “I wasn’t overly emotional about it, because I look at it like this: it’s something I didn’t have. Would it have been a good opportunity? Yeah. But at the same time, I have a great job here. We’re trying to do something as a team, that’s obviously trying to take that next step and get to the Super Bowl.”
Thurman, one of Ryan’s most-trusted assistants, had another year on his contract, which is why the Jets could block the interview”.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
FA needs:
Give JC option to be backup. If he doesn’t want it, either trade or release him. If he’s released, back up QB is needed.
Solid backup RB. Bush isn’t it. He suffers from an identity crisis. He’s a power runner, tries to be a finesse back and look for holes.
Possession WR. Best available. 2 if possible. Speed isn’t necessary. Just ability to catch ball in traffic. Get the best that’s out there. This is DESPERATELY needed.
Defensive secondary, best available.
Draft priorities:
QB. best available. Carson’s got about a 3 year window, probably less. Let’s not wait till disaster strikes. Let’s have a kid ready to go.
O line and defensive front 7. Self explanatory.
Possession wr. Again, speed not necessary. A set of hands that will catch anything thrown near him.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
“Has there been a worse series, a bigger letdown in a key spot by a Raiders team ever?”
No that was the Apocalypse!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
99.5 yards in four plays. It was actually 109.5 yards because SD had a 10-yard penalty after the first completion. Don’t recall what they did on that play, but I believe they had another big chunk of yardage wiped out.
Kind of makes you nauseous. PA guy should’ve played this at that moment: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1ytCEuuW2_A
January 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Cable knew people in Seattle and he knew Marshall.
I imagine he was happy with him coming but who knows.
There’s no doubt in my mind that Marshall was better than Breshahan and it made no sense to fire Marshall just because he fired Cable.
At least keep him until you know you have someone better.
But it’s all dust now.
Right now let’s bring in someone like Nolan or if you like, hard man Jack.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
SilverandBlack666- Are you still licking your wounds after Sunday’s loss?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Bresnahan was the back-up plan.
Dennis Thurman from the Jets was the target but Rex Ryan blocked him, it’s documented.
“It was late January when Rex Ryan called secondary coach Dennis Thurman into his office.
The Oakland Raiders had asked to interview Thurman for their vacant defensive coordinator job, and Ryan explained to Thurman the Jets had denied permission.
“He wasn’t prepared to lose me,” Thurman said. “I wasn’t overly emotional about it, because I look at it like this: it’s something I didn’t have. Would it have been a good opportunity? Yeah. But at the same time, I have a great job here. We’re trying to do something as a team, that’s obviously trying to take that next step and get to the Super Bowl.”
Thurman, one of Ryan’s most-trusted assistants, had another year on his contract, which is why the Jets could block the interview”.
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He should have known that before he fired Marshall, and left himself butt naked.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
KK
In all seriousness you are the single most unintelligent person here for one reason and one reason only:
Every person here knows what your name is, where you work, your phone number and has seen pictures of your wife!
I seriously doubt there are many people on this planet that stupid!
Just plain STUPID!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Only a couple stalk me though.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Yes Jbell42 every single person here is still very upset about Sunday…it could be worse we could be Dolphin fans like you!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Draft priorities:
QB. best available. Carson’s got about a 3 year window, probably less. Let’s not wait till disaster strikes. Let’s have a kid ready to go.
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Have a feeling this will be on the agenda of the new GM for 2013. Keep Washington’s Keith Price and Georgia’s Aaron Murray in mind.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
KK oh yeah I have not forgot how classless you were when Al Davis passed by posting his physical address here for all to see!
STUPID CLASSLESS OLD MAN!!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Silverandblack666- You really need to stop all of the name calling. It gives Raiders fans a bad name. Seriously!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
BREAKING NEWS:
Damn. Just heard on the radio that McKenzie was about to sign his contract, but balked after Amy Trask presented him with a list of Al Davis GM Requirements that he would have to abide by if he took the job:
1) The GM shall answer to Amy Trask
2) The GM shall retain the services of John Herrera
3) The GM shall draft the fastes play on the board in every round
4) The GM shall not pay the HC more than $2 million a year
5) The GM shall hire DCs that play only man to man 4-3 defense
6) The GM shall have KFC slaw and McDonald’s Cheeseburgers at every interview
7) The GM shall only wear white or black sweat suits at all times, even at home
9) The GM shall never hire anyone with the last name of Gruden, Shanahan or Schottenheimer
10) The GM shall use overhead projectors and not those fancy power point presentations at all for-cause HC firing press conferences
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Al Davis believes in 2nd & 3rd chances.
2010 was Jackson’s 3rd OC stint – nobody else wanted him in that capacity
2011 was Bresnahan’s 3rd DC stint – nobody else wanted him in that capacity
sometimes these things pan out, sometimes they don’t!
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
3rd round pick should be a RT or a CB.
If we can get a Punt Returner in some fashion that would be great as well. Punt returns have been miserable for a few years now.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
One last thing KK
Why are you MR’s best buddy defending his retardation?
January 4th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
KK oh yeah I have not forgot how classless you were when Al Davis passed by posting his physical address here for all to see!
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Ah yeah there were the torch lights of a thousand lynch mobbers outside his home too.
Don’t bother responding, bye.
January 4th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
3) The GM shall draft the fastesT playER on the board in every round
January 4th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
No way we draft a QB in 2012. We already have 3 picks tied to QBs in that draft. I am not a Pryor fan, but he hasn’t even been given an opportunity to play. He COULD develop into the QB of the future, at least next year in camp and preseason he will be given the opportunity to show whether or not his an NFL caliber QB. If he is, then he backs up Palmer for 2-3 more years, if not we will cut our ties with him quickly.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
OL Lucas Nix, OL Alex Hurst, LB Nigel Bradham, LB Kareem Robinson, and CB Leonard Johnson should all be targets in the 3rd round.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I don’t think Rolando wants to be here. But I don’t think he’s ever going to be any better anywhere else. Dump him.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I think Rolando had a problem with Chuck.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Classic Seymour/Glenn telling another poster how he pummels him time after time.
lol
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Silverandblack666 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
The single most amazing thing about your pathetic existence MR is that you keep coming back after getting pummeled in here daily!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I think Rolando had a problem with Chuck.
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Is that why he filled the wrong gaps and jogged around on the field, giving up on plays the microsecond the player passed him?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Rolando McClain is the rare athlete that you as an organization actually have to worry if he will be alive for next years camp.
If that is not a Raider MLB, I don’t know what is.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I think a lot of our needs will be addressed in FA, before we even get to the draft. Although there doesn’t appear to be any real worthwhile options at tackle available
January 4th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
473.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Al Davis believes in 2nd & 3rd chances.
2010 was Jackson’s 3rd OC stint – nobody else wanted him in that capacity
2011 was Bresnahan’s 3rd DC stint – nobody else wanted him in that capacity
sometimes these things pan out, sometimes they don’t!
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This is true–all of it.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
471.jbell42 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Silverandblack666- You really need to stop all of the name calling. It gives Raiders fans a bad name. Seriously!
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You must be either new or a whiner fan.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Do we take a cap hit if McClain gets whacked in the offseason?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
“Sounds like if Reggie McKenzie were to come Shaun Herock will be director of player personnel and Eliot Wolf will have a big title as well”
January 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Brownstains you clearly cant read!
I said “The single most amazing thing about your pathetic existence MR is that you keep coming back after getting pummeled in here daily!”
Never once did I say that “I” was the one pummeling him.
Why is it that every day you get a lesson in here about syntax or spelling or something you said that was of base and not true.
Example: One day in here Brownstains said that the Italians “Invented” electricity!
LMFAO I remember that day man I have not laughed that hard since! invented electricity OMG that’s a good one!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Rolando is not a Raider MLB, he can’t play professional football. Dump him.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Is that why he filled the wrong gaps and jogged around on the field, giving up on plays the microsecond the player passed him?
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Frustration?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Assistant Director of College Scouting – Shaun Herock
January 4th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Invented electricity people!
Brownstains claimed that electricity was “invented” not discovered!
Now everyone in my office is laughing at the stupidity of good old Brownstains!
Everyone here at the office is saying thanks for the laugh!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Bresnehan’s defensive scheme was too complicated for Rolando.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Maybe it was Chuck having him cover WR’s down the middle of the field.
That would piss me the FK off if I was a MLB!
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Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I think Rolando had a problem with Chuck.
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Is that why he filled the wrong gaps and jogged around on the field, giving up on plays the microsecond the player passed him?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Blaming Hue for Oaklands debacle is like saying only Republicans are to blame for f’ing up the country
January 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I cant stop laughing the guys is actually so uneducated that he thought a person invented electricity!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
498. Al Gore did
January 4th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
666 is gathering people around his monitor for a comment made 3 months and they are laughing hysterically at the “office” ?
lmfao
Ok Seymour/Glenn
January 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Maybe Reggie McKenzie can bring Woodson back with him…
January 4th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
It is possible that Rolando grows up some day, ala Woodson. But it won’t be as a Raider. This is why we have to change the whole Raider image.
Reggie, Reggie! Where have I heard that before?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
“Maybe it was Chuck having him cover WR’s down the middle of the field.
That would piss me the FK off if I was a MLB!”
Its called a cover 2 Einstein!
“The defense is similar to a Cover 2 defense, except the middle linebacker drops into a deep middle coverage for a Cover 3 when he reads a pass play.[1]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2
This is like shooting fish in a barrel!!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Is that why he filled the wrong gaps and jogged around on the field, giving up on plays the microsecond the player passed him?
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Frustration?
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What was his excuse last year? Frustrated with Marshall too? Naaaaaw, I think he is just Jamarcus Russell part II. Fat, lazy, off the field issues and happy with his cash.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
488.bcz24 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Do we take a cap hit if McClain gets whacked in the offseason?
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Naw, we would just have to pay for the bullet and the bio-hazard team to clean up the mess.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
In a Tampa 2 the MLB drops into coverage why is that so hard for an uneducated dim witted blogger to understand?
Lets ask the single most uneducated person here Brownstains why is it so hard for your little pea brain to comprehend the Tampa 2 defense?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Funny thing is on all those cover 2 drop backs, if McClain turns around he has a pick.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
What was his excuse last year? Frustrated with Marshall too? Naaaaaw,
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The Raider D was #11 last year.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Peymour666,
You are a babbling buffoon!
Go to a Tampa Bay blog and tell them how the MLB covers WR’s in their defense….lol
Maroon
January 4th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
“What was his excuse last year? Frustrated with Marshall too? Naaaaaw, I think he is just Jamarcus Russell part II. Fat, lazy, off the field issues and happy with his cash.”
Nice post Dakota pretty much an exact example of why a lot of us said that free agency would ruin the game.
Like Serena Williams she doesn’t like Tennis but it pays her well….There are a lot of guys like that in the NFL looking for a paycheck not caring about Football!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Mista is a republican. Give him a break. Their brains don’t work the same.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
“Funny thing is on all those cover 2 drop backs, if McClain turns around he has a pick.”
So true!
Again not scheme, but execution.
Sloppy tackling, missed gap assignments, taking bad angles and unable to shed blocks are things that should be addressed in camp not week 17!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
My biggest problem with McClain is that he plays on the back of his feet, letting blockers get under him instead of lowering his pad level in order to come off blocks and make plays.
Many times he DOES pick the right gap (which is impressive in its own right because TK and Seymour tend to leave their gaps wide open trying to pressure the QB), but gets taken out of the play by a guard or fullback.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
The Cover 2 relies on quality safety play.
Why would the Chuck-wagon look at “Missile” Mike, Jerome Boyd, and some white dude as an ideal cover 2 option?
And why didn’t Hue tell ol Chuck, don’t ever call that $hat again? We did it week after week
January 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Shayne skov from standford would be a great pick… he broke his leg..rated the 7 th best lb in the 2012 draft… I hope were looking at him…maybe we can snatch him with one of our compensatory picks…
January 4th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
“The defense is similar to a Cover 2 defense, except the middle linebacker drops into a deep middle coverage for a Cover 3 when he reads a pass play.[1]”
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tampa_2
If you cant read I cant help you, blame your 3rd grade teacher Brownstains I have done my part by posting the links now you do your part and learn how to actually read those Wiki articles…ok….run along now little brained uneducated buffoon. You have been schooled and shown for the derelict you are, tuck that tail between your legs and run along now!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
The problem with Al was that he never asked his potential draft picks if they wanted to be here.
Most of these young college players see being drafted by the Raiders as a detriment.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
LOL, even Dwight hates Norv Turner:
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Dear Chargers, Norv Turner will never take you to a Superbowl. Sincerely, Rainn Wilson, actor
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January 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
What was his excuse last year? Frustrated with Marshall too? Naaaaaw,
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The Raider D was #11 last year.
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So, it wasn’t because of Rolando McClain and the run D
January 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
“Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
The Cover 2 relies on quality safety play.
Why would the Chuck-wagon look at “Missile” Mike, Jerome Boyd, and some white dude as an ideal cover 2 option?
And why didn’t Hue tell ol Chuck, don’t ever call that $hat again? We did it week after week”
You see that Brownstains JFB actually has an intelligent response…try it sometime it will do wonders for your sex life or lack there of!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
If McClain can’t play the Tampa 2, don’t call it, especially on critical situations.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I like keith price he reminds me of joe hamilton. I dont think he will get a chance to do anything but play 3rd string due to his size. i can only think of two modern era guys like him to get real playing time jeff garcia and doug flutie, price has a stronger arm than both
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Has the blood letting or circumcission begun yet? Chucky still here?
Have these mutinous bastards been forced to walk the plank?
WTF are we waitin for?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
to be fair, it’s not like playing straight man with Mitchell, Boyd, and/or Gio was all that better than playing zone.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Anyone think the Viqueens will be dumb enough to pass on RGIII in the draft because they already have Christian Ponder?
Or that the Browns might pass on him due to McCoy?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
“If McClain can’t play the Tampa 2, don’t call it, especially on critical situations.”
I think we are seeing a combination of players that cant play in certain schemes and coaches that are grasping at straws (trying everything) to stop the bleeding on defense, all of that equals what we saw this year a confused defense that couldn’t stop anything!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
We gave up the 2nd most points in Franchise history last year with 433 points!!
Al is dead, R.I.P.
Fix the D, get a GM and REAl D coordinator.
We good to go baby!! Remember all we are in The AFC West, should be easy plus last 2 years we are undefeated on the road in the Divison, 9-3 in the adividon last 2 years.
KC stil has QB issues as does Denver. sD is the only threat but they did us a cover b signing hole AFC Turner!! Can’t wait for Training Camp!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
McClain did make some nice plays on tight ends over the middle this year.
It’s just knowing WHEN to call those coverages, and when not to.
And Chuck doesn’t know his whens, nor how to teach it all that well.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
If Price can add about 15lbs, he’s not all that different in size to RGIII. Comes from a pro system, and is very accurate with his throws from what I’ve seen thus far. Look forward to seeing him develop.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Browns will take RGIII if they get the chance.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Dakota
I think the Vikings definitely pass on RGIII and roll with Ponder.
Browns would jump on RGIII.
RGIII is too much of an injury-risk to nab him high in round 1 when you have a decent-looking 1st-round rookie QB like Ponder.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Albert Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
LOL, even Dwight hates Norv Turner:
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Dear Chargers, Norv Turner will never take you to a Superbowl. Sincerely, Rainn Wilson, actor
5 hours ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
plenty of times the defense was in the right call and in position to make plays but they failed. My problem with chuck b isnt his scheme, although i think he was a little heavy on the deep safety blitz. My issue is that he was unable to get the players to perform, beyond teaching a scheme that is what a coach must do. For what ever reason he was never ever to get guys to make the play.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Maybe they should have paid Nnamdi?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Pryor’s 4 inches taller, and lacks RGIII’s accuracy.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Dakota Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Anyone think the Viqueens will be dumb enough to pass on RGIII in the draft because they already have Christian Ponder?
Or that the Browns might pass on him due to McCoy?
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The Browns have 2 first round picks this year. I have a feeling they might, at least try, to trade them to STL for Bradford. New GM in STL wont be tied to Bradford, and they can replace him at #2 overall with an equal or better talent that DOESNT cost 80 million dollars.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
price is barley 6 feet tall, and a little light in the loafers, but there is no doubt he can play
January 4th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
BTW mike Mitchell sucks. That dude is always out of place. He missed the tackle last week on special teams, sick of him.
Still believe if Huff plays CB, we need a ball hawking FS. Gio was okay but he sucks at tackling too.
Would love to sign Courtland Finnegan next to Rout.
Maybe sign Hillis if we cant get Bush back, if the price is right?
Please move Wiz to Center, he played great when we were in SD.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
plenty of times the defense was in the right call and in position to make plays but they failed. My problem with chuck b isnt his scheme, although i think he was a little heavy on the deep safety blitz. My issue is that he was unable to get the players to perform, beyond teaching a scheme that is what a coach must do. For what ever reason he was never ever to get guys to make the play.
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Really?
Like Boyd and McClain v Calvin Johnson?
Like Curry v Devone Bess?
Like Wimbley or Houston v Antonio Gates?
Seems like he was setting the players up to fail!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
KK, you’d think they’d learn after letting Woodson go. Instead we watch P-Buch get embarrassed by Favre, and feel obligated to draft Fabrian Washington instead of Rodgers.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Kool kell:
Right on mien, def should have paid Nmandi….
January 4th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Btw, here’s a rule on front office hires from other teams….
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By rule, a front-office employee under contract with one team can be hired if the candidate will have with the new team final say over the roster and the draft. Otherwise, the current team must agree to allow the employee to leave before the expiration of the contract.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/and-rant-continues.html
January 4th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
303, Hillis would have been a perfect Al pickup huh?
Bargain-priced talent, weird, chip on his shoulder.
Can’t see that happening if we have any of the GB guys running the ship.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
402.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
400.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
True CJ
Cable had a losing record against legit teams like the Steelers, Colts, Falcons, Saints, Jets, etc.
At least with Hue we were able to beat the Texans and Jets, hung with the Patriots for a while, should have beaten the playoff-bound Lions.
It was definite progress to not get blown out of every legit non-afc west game.
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Cable went 8-8 and swept the division while Hue didn’t.
You could do this shiite all day.
Why bother?
Cable’s did good stuff for us but he’s gone.
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Really Cable had one of the worse offenses in Raider history before Hue got there, so how does cable get the credit for that? Just asking!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Denver owes Oakland a butt load of thanks because we thrusted them into the play-offs.
Pitts owes us a butt load of thanks because we gave them the opportunity to play denver.
Oakland fans get a butt load of nothin. Go fckin figure.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
joe webb is head and shoulder better than ponder but they wont give webb the shot. i doubt they would pick RGIII
January 4th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Cut to September of Next year. Raiders lose 2 straight, 2-2 record.
“McKEnzies garbage!”
“Ship McKenzie back to GB! I knew he sucked!!”
“McKenzie and his big f’n mouth are ruining everything great about this franchise, and now we’re losing to boot. Fire him now, Amy!!”
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That’s pretty good. Because it’s true for most people in here.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Norv owes Oakland a butt load of thanks because we saved his job for him and gave him poster board material with the hand shake diss.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Because Bres was the DC and calling the shots.
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Why wasn’t Jackson calling the shot? He’s the Head Coach. Or did you forget that?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Bring back Cable ! Fire Hue !
January 4th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
plenty of times the defense was in the right call and in position to make plays but they failed. My problem with chuck b isnt his scheme, although i think he was a little heavy on the deep safety blitz. My issue is that he was unable to get the players to perform, beyond teaching a scheme that is what a coach must do. For what ever reason he was never ever to get guys to make the play.
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Really?
Like Boyd and McClain v Calvin Johnson?
Like Curry v Devone Bess?
Like Wimbley or Houston v Antonio Gates?
Seems like he was setting the players up to fail!
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I didnt say every time i said plenty of times. One example that comes to mind was the buffalo game. Time after time a defender was ther but failed to make a play. Or detroit where the safeties were nosy looking into the back field and allowed johnson to blow right past them. or the bronco game wher our d ends continually left the edge open for tebags
It wasnt the schem that will get chuck b canned, it is is inability to get the players to perform or properly execute a game plan.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
plenty of times the defense was in the right call and in position to make plays but they failed. My problem with chuck b isnt his scheme, although i think he was a little heavy on the deep safety blitz. My issue is that he was unable to get the players to perform, beyond teaching a scheme that is what a coach must do. For what ever reason he was never ever to get guys to make the play.
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A coaches job is to know the strengths and weakness of his players. Chuck had no clue how to put his players in winning situations. A better DC would have this group performing at a higher level.
RMac on CJ was a lose lose. You switch Rman with Stanford R and you migh have a chance to know that pass down.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Really Cable had one of the worse offenses in Raider history before Hue got there, so how does cable get the credit for that? Just asking!!!!
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Because he had Jamarcus Russell, Gradkowski and Charlie Frye. That’s how. And let’s not forget DHB and Murphy as rookies, Mario Henderson as his LT, and DMAC coming off a 3.2 yard per carry 8 fumble year, where fans were ready to cut him. Did I leave anything out?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
The fact of the matter is chucky b was outta the NFL. … when davis called on him to be d coordinator for Raiders. … I suspect he will soon be outta the NFL once again… sitting at home drinking Budweiser eating nachos. .. watching and breaking down. .. lingerie football tape..
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
to re-iterate,
Seymour Bush believes a HC like Sean Payton gets involved in “calling the shots” for the Saints Defense.
As if he has 1/10th the knowledge of teaching and calling defenses as his DC, even a bad one.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Kiffin had JAMARCUS in 2008 also, and the Raiders 0 wasn’t as bad as in 2009.
Why? Because Cable called the shots in 2009.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
539. BINGO!
Its calling Tampa 2 against Megatron. What an Ahole.
RAIDER RELIANCE ON ZONE A MISTAKE
raider nation station
“You have Drew Brees breaking Dan Marino’s single-season record for yards passing. You have Tom Brady just 190 yards behind him and you have Aaron Rodgers with 45 touchdown passes.
How do you stop these guys? Or at least slow them down?
“You have to beat up their receivers,” one NFC personnel director said. “These quarterbacks are too good now. They will eat you alive if you play zone against them and let their receivers find the open spots. They are too smart. You have to mug their outside players, not let them get into their routes as easy as they can against zone.”
This quote from Pete Prisco’s excellent article: “After Further Review: Disrupting receivers key to dealing with air elite” proves a serious point and a major flaw in Oaklands 2011 defensive calls.
The astue may have noticed alot more Zone defense since Mr.Davis passed and that it has exposed the Raiders at a time when they should be excelling and ahead of the curve, in man coverage.
Thats what they were built for. Thats what they’ve ALWAYS been built for.
Man coverage is what Davis’ whole philosophy and D design has been.
With Cornerbacks handcuffed after 5 yds Oaklands jam at the LOS, man coverage scheme has finally come into vouge at the precise time Chuck Bresnahan is dismatling it.
And it shows.
Former Raider Pro Bowl CB Nnamdi Asomugha struggled in Philly when exposed by Zone defense but came around when their 1st yr D coordinator finally listened to media and let Nam-Nam do more of what he does best, play man coverage.
Now, before we tar and feather Bresnahan, in all fairness, his strategy does not seem without consideration.
1st of all, Oaklands man up, ballsy approach to stopping the pass is great, if you can field the talent to do it and consistently beat the other teams players. Injuries make that impossible.
Bresnahan was faced immediately with an injury to rookie DB Chimdi Chekwa on the first blocking drill of the first post strike practice.
Signed to a new multi-year deal Safety Hiram Eugene was expected to be a major congtributor to the Raider rotation and Special Teams but dislocated his hip ala Bo Jackson and was forced to under go season ending surgery.
S Mike Mitchell had surprise knee surgery in pre season and missed several regular season games.
The good news there is Oakland found a diamond in the rough when forced to re-sign practice squad veteran “Butch Coolidge” or as his family knows him, Matt Giordano.
Hes been a bright spot in an other wise bleak landscape.
The carnage continued…
CB Chris Johnson suffered his worst game ever against Buffalo and pre season surgery for a groin injury became infected and saw him miss basically the entire season.
After the tragic murder of his sister and shooting of his Mother Johnson finally pulled the plug on his season and perhaps, his career.
On and on the injuries came. Huff’s ankle, Demarcus Van Dyke’s hamstring. Oakland was forced to scour the waiver wire and once veteran Lito Sheppard passed a physical the Raiders had some sort of stability and help.
Given the injury situation, lack of cohesiveness as a unit and rookie participants its clear why DC Chuck Bresnahan may have chosen to play “easier” Zone coverage to theoretically help those unfamiliar / inexperienced DBs but that experiment has failed time and time again.
Against Houston.
Against Denver.
Against Detroit and last week against Kansas City.
Just because its logical and makes sense doesn’t mean its going to work and it hasn’t.
Now of course there were mitigating facors on offense that put more pressure on the D but thats another matter. What matters right now is that Bresnahan has the makings of exactly what he needs. A rare secondary hand picked to play the type of football needed to do what few others can even attempt:
Play the type of man coverage that has a chance to stop the NFLs elite passing offenses.
Especially late in the game or in crucial situations.
Late game Zone coverage has allowed teams to post points, mount comebacks and steal games all season long.
Its time to stop and implement the Defense Al designed all those years ago. A design so revolutionary, the League has finally caught up to it.
And now, when its relevant again?
We’re not playing it.
At least not when it counts.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Monte Poole has a column up on the qualities of Reggie M (no problem with that) but in the article, Poole touts the Packers’ strong defense.
Huh? I’m no Packers’ expert, but in taking a quick look at just their game scores, seems no one would mistake the Pack for the Ravens.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Jack del Rio would be an excellent d coordinator for us….
January 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Anyone hear if the D staff has been circumcized yet?
I wanna be on the keep Hue list, because of our D was not so fcking brilliantly fcked up, we’d a been 13-3 legit, no schit.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
558. Was written 2 days before we got shelled by the Chargeless
January 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
to re-iterate,
Seymour Bush believes a HC like Sean Payton gets involved in “calling the shots” for the Saints Defense.
As if he has 1/10th the knowledge of teaching and calling defenses as his DC, even a bad one.
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MR errr, Alex you are turning into a moron. So you are saying Sean Payton doesn’t have knowledge of defenses? How the hell would he game plan one then? What a dummfukk.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Love the idea of going after a GB guy that used to be a Raider Guy.
No way JC stays as our backup, he will get too many offers from other teams. Adios JC, wish you well, You are a bottom tier QB that bridged the gap for us to get CP3.
We needed to lose that game so we could clean house on Defense.
That drive starting on the half yard line was by far the most pathetic display of a D we have ever seen. That is what needs to be fixed first…….
January 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I’m keeping my fingers crossed that McKenzie accepts the responsibility of turning this crap franchise into a contender.
I don’t care if you call me a racist, I don’t care if you call me MR (a far more damning epithet) I want the Raiders to become a dominant force in the NFL.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
yeah muv,
even paid hacks simply write what they hear, instead of taking 30 seconds to research something. Unfortunate.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
559. Poole’s a known idiot and raider hater
January 4th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
“Norv owes Oakland a butt load of thanks because we saved his job for him and gave him poster board material with the hand shake diss.”
It’s just the other way around: Raider fans owe Norv Turner a debt of gratitude for playing us hard, playing us as a professional ought to, and forcing Raiders’ management to do what fans have wanted for a long time–a management structure that produces results.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
556.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
to re-iterate,
Seymour Bush believes a HC like Sean Payton gets involved in “calling the shots” for the Saints Defense.
As if he has 1/10th the knowledge of teaching and calling defenses as his DC, even a bad one.
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Seymour is clueless. Unless you hire a defensive minded head coach, the DC is calling most of the shots. A HC can’t undermind the DC in middle of the season. He can request adjustment and give ideas, but the DC is going to run his scheme how he sees fit. That’s his job.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
seymour,
HONESTLY, you don’t understand the difference between game-planning against a defense, and game-planning against an offense?
you think they’re similar?
Just wow, man.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Kiffin had JAMARCUS in 2008 also, and the Raiders 0 wasn’t as bad as in 2009.
Why? Because Cable called the shots in 2009.
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Kiffin coached 4 games in 08 pal. But you knew that right?
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
when a coach THINKS he can game-plan against a unit, but has no experience,
you get Tom Cable’s 2009 offense.
Therefore, most intelligent OC’s stay the heck out of the D, and DC head coaches don’t try and make “suggestions” about the O.
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
plenty of times the defense was in the right call and in position to make plays but they failed. My problem with chuck b isnt his scheme, although i think he was a little heavy on the deep safety blitz. My issue is that he was unable to get the players to perform, beyond teaching a scheme that is what a coach must do. For what ever reason he was never ever to get guys to make the play.
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A coaches job is to know the strengths and weakness of his players. Chuck had no clue how to put his players in winning situations. A better DC would have this group performing at a higher level.
RMac on CJ was a lose lose. You switch Rman with Stanford R and you migh have a chance to know that pass down.
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that maybe true yet there were still several times that players just flat out sucked and the right defense was called. In fact i would say more often than not it was the players that failed to execute, not the scheme.
This does fall on chuck because a coach must get his players to perform.
Think for a second people would always complain we need to blitz and play zone, we tried it and it flopped. People them said we need to stick to man to man we did that and it flopped. At some point the players must execute, and they never did
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
You idiots really don’t think that Sean Payton could coach a defense at this level? Phila just took their offensive line coach and made him a DC. We took our Oline coach and made him a HC. You guys are Grade A imbeciles.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
“With Cornerbacks handcuffed after 5 yds Oaklands jam at the LOS, man coverage scheme has finally come into vouge at the precise time Chuck Bresnahan is dismatling it.
And it shows.”
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Amen
January 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Does anyone remember the buffalo / houston oiler game when the bills came back in the 2nd half and destroyed the oilers in the playoffs? the entire d staff were in the trash can before they stepped off the plane. wtf are we waiting around for jerkin off when we could be working towards next season? Just dont get it.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Yes Seymour, I know that.
first 4 games of 2008 with Kiffin: 14, 23, 23, 18 points.
First 5 with Cable: 3, 16, 10, 0, 6
And it carried over throughout 2009.
lol Cable-lover.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
565… honestly. . The only way McKenzie doesn’t become Raiders GM is if greenbay offers up something bigger for him… the gb packers took wolf a long time ago from us… its time we return them the favor and take McKenzie/ wolf Jr from them…
January 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
sloppy joe,
you don’t FIRE anyone when their contract is already up. No need to announce anything until you hire the new DC.
Otherwise it creates a vacuum, and that creates leverage for the incoming coach salary-wise.
No need to rush, interviews have to take place, process plays out.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
when a coach THINKS he can game-plan against a unit, but has no experience,
you get Tom Cable’s 2009 offense.
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The 09 Raider offense was Russell, Fargas, Higgins, Schilens, Mario Henderson, Luke Lawton, Cornell Green. Two years later how many of those guys are still in the league?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
LOL SEYMOUR
and how did that work out for the Philly D?
Goodness, are you joking or really this thick-headed?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Mark Davis fires Hue Jackson. Hires Reggie McKenzie and Eiot Wolf in violation of NFL rule. Taking a page out of Al Davis’s book, says let them sue me.
4 minutes ago
January 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
565… honestly. . The only way McKenzie doesn’t become Raiders GM is if greenbay offers up something bigger for him… the gb packers took wolf a long time ago from us… its time we return them the favor and take McKenzie/ wolf Jr from them…
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Think that the Bears interest in McKenzie helps the Raiders sign Reggie? The Packers management would never live it down if Reggie makes the Bears a powerhouse. What could the Packers offer him, besides the current GM’s job?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
and again, the 2008 Raiders offense lead by Kiffin, was 100 points better than the 2009 one.
WTF are you trying to give Cable credit for?
He was lost without Kiffin, lost without Hue.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Yes Seymour, I know that.
first 4 games of 2008 with Kiffin: 14, 23, 23, 18 points.
First 5 with Cable: 3, 16, 10, 0, 6
And it carried over throughout 2009.
lol Cable-lover.
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Yes and it was blow out loss, win, loss loss. Fired. And deservedly so. And what you are then saying is the offensive line coach should magically overnight turn into Mike McCarthy and Jamarcus somehow immediately turns into Aaron rogers? The entire team was in complete disarray. MR you are really really gripping yourself now.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
luvmarvhub Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
“Norv owes Oakland a butt load of thanks because we saved his job for him and gave him poster board material with the hand shake diss.”
It’s just the other way around: Raider fans owe Norv Turner a debt of gratitude for playing us hard, playing us as a professional ought to, and forcing Raiders’ management to do what fans have wanted for a long time–a management structure that produces results.
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sweet. excellent point. just like our season, fcked on both sides of the coin.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Sloppy Joe Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Does anyone remember the buffalo / houston oiler game when the bills came back in the 2nd half and destroyed the oilers in the playoffs? the entire d staff were in the trash can before they stepped off the plane. wtf are we waiting around for jerkin off when we could be working towards next season? Just dont get it
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it seems to me that it would make far more sense to hire a gm before worrying about the d coordinator position. A gm on board will greatly increase the pool of viable candidates, and make the post of dc in Oakland far more attractive.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
LOL SEYMOUR
and how did that work out for the Philly D?
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They won their last four. We went 1-4 in our last five. Honestly, Philly has more mo.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
and seymour jumps off the deep end.
Defending Tom Cable as an x’s and o’s guy. Just wow.
And using the Eagles disastrous move of O-coach to DC as PROOF that one side can coach the other???
Just stop.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I don’t know who the current GM in greenbay is… but I doubt they fire the current GM for McKenzie. ..possibly back to back super bowl wins… no way that Guy loses his job… its Mackenzie’s choice weather he wants the Raiders GM position or not… I really hope he accepts the job..
January 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
In fact that Philly D played pretty well the last four games. With the offensive line coach as DC. In four wins. If we had done that, we wouldn’t be having this conversation. You can go now.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
yeah, Philly got hot…
when they brought in an actual D-side coach to help the O guy masquerading as a D-coach.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I don’t know who the current GM in greenbay is…
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Ted Thompson, one of the really good personnel guys and really good guys in the league. And he ain’t going anywhere. hence why the underlings are prime pickings.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I can’t believe all this back and forth.
For how many years have we wanted to get a top tier GM? We are about to get one.
For how many years were we saddled with coaches that were fresh out of a B&B or the ULF because no one wanted to coach for Al? Not anymore.
For how many years have we ragged about “scholarship” players wasting roster spots and playing over more productive players? Not anymore.
These are good times folks. Let this all play out. The Raiders are finally getting back on the right track (IMO).
January 4th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Every single point you made has been refuted. You can go now MR.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
I’m excited Freddie B.
A legit GM to help out.
A coach with power to fire and hire his own coaches.
We’re moving out of the stone age.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
586.. I’m actually glad norv Turner returning to coach the chargers… you know they will suck again Next season… norv stinks as hc. .. keep him in San Diego.. we lost a big one against him but we are 3-1 vs s.d… last 4 games… I expect we will sweep them next season at full stregnth..
January 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
and seymour jumps off the deep end.
Defending Tom Cable as an x’s and o’s guy. Just wow.
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Yup. And Seattle was 5-3 in their last 8. We should have been 0-5 in our last five. Once again I would take their results. But what does Pete Carroll and Tom Cable know. They called you up for advice right?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Bush,
maybe Seattle will make your buddy Cable the defensive coordinator there later on, right?
It’s all Madden anyways, no big change in teaching and planning.
Worked wonders in Philly.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
554.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Really Cable had one of the worse offenses in Raider history before Hue got there, so how does cable get the credit for that? Just asking!!!!
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Because he had Jamarcus Russell, Gradkowski and Charlie Frye. That’s how. And let’s not forget DHB and Murphy as rookies, Mario Henderson as his LT, and DMAC coming off a 3.2 yard per carry 8 fumble year, where fans were ready to cut him. Did I leave anything out?
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Got it! Cable gets excuses, but Hue Jax gets none.
Under Hue, Macfadden (although injured, is seem as a elite RB) under under Cable (when he was calling plays) he was a bust.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Well it depends on who the hire is but Reggie MCKenzie or Bill Polian and friends would be absolutely spectacular hires. Bring their own guys in, start working on cutting the dead wood, and this could be a very very very good franchise for quite a while.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Seymour bush…. that’s great news…. McKenzie has Raider ties… bay area region is a lot nicer place to live than Wisconsin. ..plus McKenzie would be running the show… and presumably be making a lot of cash… hopefully Jim irsay..stays away from him…
January 4th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Ghost,
Norv owned us before our 3-game win streak, won back-to-back-to-back division titles, won 3 playoff games, and just kicked our butts.
I don’t know how much that makes him “stinks”.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Got it! Cable gets excuses, but Hue Jax gets none.
Under Hue, Macfadden (although injured, is seem as a elite RB) under under Cable (when he was calling plays) he was a bust.
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No, McFadden was a bust under Kiffin. You cannot compare taking over a dysfunctional franchise that just fired it’s coach after four games, to the team that Jackson took over this year. Look I will make it easy for you. We discussed this in here before the season began. If this team did not get to 10-6 or even maybe 9-7 and the playoffs, Jackson was not successful. Cable came off a 4-12 season went 5-11 then 8-8 with an infinitely inferior dysfuncitonal team. Jackson had momentum coming in and HAD to improve on that an did not. Jackson made a TON of promises and did not keep one. Those are the facts, whether you like it or not.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
I’m pretty sure Bill Polian’s personality-style and nepotism would not mesh with an already-family environment of Davis, Trask, and Madden.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
574.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
You idiots really don’t think that Sean Payton could coach a defense at this level? Phila just took their offensive line coach and made him a DC. We took our Oline coach and made him a HC. You guys are Grade A imbeciles.
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You are stupid if you think anyone would hire offensive coach as a DC… That has to be the dumbest thing I have ever read on this blog. Keep the dumb stuff coming.. You are good!!
January 4th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Alex… ask s.d. fans what they think of norv Turner?? They absolutely hate the Guy… I’m just glad that SD decided to keep him and didn’t go after Jeff Fisher… I like our chances vs the SD chargers next season.. the Guy is going backwards now… look at his record… he’s losing that team little by little… time will tell..
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Sean Payton specifically requested that Gregg Williams be hired as DC. Payton even took a pay cut to make sure it happened. Yeah, that really sounds like a guy who is interested in being involved on the defensive side of the ball.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
So Mendenhall out, Ben hurt, DMac would’ve practiced today, why did we fire Marshall again?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
So…coach gets fired, Cable gets EXCUSED for offense going in the tank afterwards.
Owner dies, QB out for the year, RB out for the year, Ford injured for a month after starting 7-4…
worse D…
98 yards, 99.5 yards,
no excuses. Got it
January 4th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
thank you YA.
Common sense is like a plague to some in here.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
That Reggie MCKenzie is here today I think is FANTASTIC news. Anyone coming in here has a LOT of pieces here to work with. This team should not have been 8-8. This should have been a 10 win team easily. We now, FINALLY, have a marquee Q. We have arguably the best offensive player in the entire league. We have a couple of really good young WR’s. We have an exceptional Left Tackle. We have a nice set of DT’s, we have a good safety in Branch, and we have a couple of very decent corners. There is a lot there.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
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By rule, a front-office employee under contract with one team can be hired if the candidate will have with the new team final say over the roster and the draft. Otherwise, the current team must agree to allow the employee to leave before the expiration of the contract.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
This entire season falls on injuries and Bresnehans’ defenses.
Hue was brash and vocal, so that draws attention to himself. But dont let that cloud your judgement. He is not the defensive schemer, he is an offensive head coach, and a good, daring play caller. Sometimes he went too far, but that didnt lead to 35 point 2nd half against Buffalo, 98, and 99 yard drives given up in the clutch, and the general inability to make any decent offense we faced punt.
The facts show that the defense is the problem.
Hue needs to reel it in. But his showmanship, so to speak, isnt what lost us that extra game or two this season. TERRIBLE defense lost it. And the fact that DMC was hurt and we had to throw away that KC game after Campbell got hurt.
“MAKE SOMEONE PUNT!”
That’s my slogan for this season.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Ghost
Norv runs the O. Had #1 offense last year. #5 this year.
Why the SD slide? How about losing Ron Rivera, Shaun Merriman, Luis Castillo, Darren Sproles, Michael Turner, and Tomlinson. Lots of D and leadership there.
No? That shouldn’t matter huh?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Sean Payton specifically requested that Gregg Williams be hired as DC. Payton even took a pay cut to make sure it happened. Yeah, that really sounds like a guy who is interested in being involved on the defensive side of the ball.
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I never said he wanted to be. I said he could if he wanted to. Every decent head coach can. You guys are kind of embarrassing that you don’t realize this. What do you think NFL Head Coaches wake up one morning and say to themselves, “I am going to walk on down to my local NFL franchise and I will just be head coach”. Don’t you realize like John Fassell on our team, that they might start as Special Teams coach, go to coach LB’s then recievers, etc… Don’t any of you realize this?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
When Amy Trasks cuts Hue loose how many of you think some other team is going to gobble up this head coaching genius?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I think there are about 27 franchises that would like the Chargers success the last 5 years.
Three AFC titles in a row.
3 playoff wins.
As good as Gruden’s years here.
To think any other coach there would do better is asking quite a bit.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
So Mendenhall out, Ben hurt, DMac would’ve practiced today, why did we fire Marshall again?
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Because he was a Tom Cable hire.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
twocents,
if Brian Schotenheimer is getting HC love…
the guy that brought the Oakland Raiders back to relevancy would surely as well.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Twocents Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
When Amy Trasks cuts Hue loose how many of you think some other team is going to gobble up this head coaching genius?
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One. The El Segundo High School Spartans.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
With the help of his scouting staff, McKenzie consistently finds players, many of whom are overlooked by others. The Packers’ mostly homegrown roster — the most organic in the NFL — was constructed around McKenzie’s evaluations and recommendations to general manager Ted Thompson.
The Packers, defending Super Bowl champions and favored to repeat, are winning with undrafted free-agent defensive backs such as Tramon Williams and Sam Shields.
The Raiders, meanwhile, are struggling with such high draft picks as Stanford Routt and Mike Mitchell, both of whom are second-round selections.
While Raiders middle linebacker Rolando McClain, the No. 8 overall selection in 2010, has been a disappointment thus far — including off-field exploits thus far undisciplined — Packers inside linebacker Desmond Bishop, the 192nd overall pick out of Cal in 2007, is thriving.
The Packers rarely pursue big-ticket free agents, and they seldom miss.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19667178
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Sounds just like Ron Wolf. The Old Raiders were organic, and were found in later rounds.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
seymour knows the inside thoughts and abilities of coaches, despite their actual ACTIONS screaming otherwise.
Sounds about right.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I bet Dick Lebeau could run a mean spread-offense!
Steelers would just hire Oregon’s Chip Kelly to run the Defense. Or maybe MIKE MARTZ!
Yup. Seymour Bush logic. Feel it!
January 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I am not going to defend Cable as being an “X’s and O’s” guy. That is a losing proposition, but what I will say is that he took a totally dysfunctional team and got them to play hard and seem to care. Prior to Cable, I was even more frustrated by the lack of effort than I was the losing. Not saying that Cable should still be her, but you can’t totally discount his contribution.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Sean Payton specifically requested that Gregg Williams be hired as DC. Payton even took a pay cut to make sure it happened.
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Gregg Williams is a fantastic defensive coordinator. And Tom Benson is notoriously cheap as sh**. Hence why Sean had to do that. If Williams was here, we would have had a lot less nonsense on that side of the ball.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Well Alex, let us wait and see.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
604.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Got it! Cable gets excuses, but Hue Jax gets none.
Under Hue, Macfadden (although injured, is seem as a elite RB) under under Cable (when he was calling plays) he was a bust.
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No, McFadden was a bust under Kiffin. You cannot compare taking over a dysfunctional franchise that just fired it’s coach after four games, to the team that Jackson took over this year. Look I will make it easy for you. We discussed this in here before the season began. If this team did not get to 10-6 or even maybe 9-7 and the playoffs, Jackson was not successful. Cable came off a 4-12 season went 5-11 then 8-8 with an infinitely inferior dysfuncitonal team. Jackson had momentum coming in and HAD to improve on that an did not. Jackson made a TON of promises and did not keep one. Those are the facts, whether you like it or not.
Your right again, no disfunction in 2011. Forget aboutthe no Off season program, Mentor and heart of Raiders dead, QB injured, starting back and rookie back injured, WR injured……
January 4th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
nah twocents
no point waiting for something that isn’t going to happen anytime soon. Have fun though.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
FreddieB Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
I am not going to defend Cable as being an “X’s and O’s” guy. That is a losing proposition, but what I will say is that he took a totally dysfunctional team and got them to play hard and seem to care. Prior to Cable, I was even more frustrated by the lack of effort than I was the losing. Not saying that Cable should still be her, but you can’t totally discount his contribution.
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Exactly. Well said. What no one seems to realize that I have brought up here time and time again, is at the University of Colorado and at UCLA, where he WAS the OC, he had the 9th and 7th top offenses in the nation. When anyone says he can’t X and O, again, they just don’t know what they are talking about. It’s not like Tom Cable took over the 2008 SD Chargers and went to last in the league. look at the players on that offense here.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
McRaider just owned Seymour:
“You’re right again, no disfunction in 2011. Forget about the no Off-season program, Mentor and heart of Raiders dead, QB injured, starting back and rookie back injured, WR injured……”
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don’t forget rookie coach having to take on GM duties, and D being coached by USFL cast-off.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
I never said he wanted to be. I said he could if he wanted to. Every decent head coach can. You guys are kind of embarrassing that you don’t realize this. What do you think NFL Head Coaches wake up one morning and say to themselves, “I am going to walk on down to my local NFL franchise and I will just be head coach”. Don’t you realize like John Fassell on our team, that they might start as Special Teams coach, go to coach LB’s then recievers, etc… Don’t any of you realize this?
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When Juan Castillo started faltering as DC, did Andy Reid take over? No. He HIRED SOMEONE ELSE, WHOSE AREA OF EXPERTISE IS DEFENSE, TO CONSULT.
When a DC is fired mid-season, does the offensive-minded head coach assume the duties? No, they hire someone else.
Would anyone hire Sean Payton as a defensive coordinator? No. Would Sean Payton take over the defense if he had to? No. He took a pay cut specifically so that would not be an issue. He knows it’s not his area of expertise. Good coaches know where their strengths are, and know how to delegate duties.
If your point is that Hue Jackson should have taken over the defense… I don’t know what to tell you. How exactly would that be wise, given that he was already overloaded with GM/personnel duties? But sure, just add one more thing to his plate – an area that he has never coached before. Surely that will get results…
Do NFL coaches have to understand all phases of the game? Yes. Do NFL coaches sometimes get assistant gigs at varied positions? Yes. Does a HEAD COACH, who is already the play-caller for the offense, take over a struggling defense as well? No. Absolutely not.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Did we fcking regress or what. We gotta start over and teach the fcking d that you have to force the other team to punt the fcking ball, not let them score. Thats not what we want to do. Make them fcking punt. WTF
And offensively, we need to punch it in for 6, not three.
Did we go backwards of fckng what. We learn how not to shat our drawers cuz its messy. Apperently not with the chucky b and stanky d, wtf
January 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
I like Gregg Williams a lot. One of my favorite defensive coordinators in the league. It will be interesting to see if he ever gets another crack at being a head coach.
Mike Zimmer is another DC I like a whole lot.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
OK.. Alex… I’m shaking in my boots now.. that norv Turner… how will we ever be able to beat his magnificent team…?? His Superbowl trophies and his excellent track record for winning all those playoff games is really breathtaking. ..what was San Diego even thinking when they contemplated giving him the axe? ?? …Lmao. .. your funny dude..
January 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Your right again, no disfunction in 2011. Forget aboutthe no Off season program, Mentor and heart of Raiders dead, QB injured, starting back and rookie back injured, WR injured……
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Dude again, I will make it easy. Trask and Mark Davis gave Jackson complete free rein. Basically he could do whatever he needed. The team got worse. Even at the end of the year Jackson was saying we were getting healthier. the team got worse. To me it is pretty obvious. Unless somehow you think the team was getting better…..
January 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Freddie
Kiffin was fired in 2008.
Cable took over in 2008.
Cable had entire 2009 season to himself.
Jamarcus was in his THIRD year in 2009.
2009 offense was SECOND-WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
I agree Cable got the guys to play hard. But he was TERRIBLE as an actual x’s and o’s coach.
Seymour defends that lol.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
637.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Freddie
Kiffin was fired in 2008.
Cable took over in 2008.
Cable had entire 2009 season to himself.
Jamarcus was in his THIRD year in 2009.
2009 offense was SECOND-WORST IN FRANCHISE HISTORY.
I agree Cable got the guys to play hard. But he was TERRIBLE as an actual x’s and o’s coach.
Seymour defends that lol.
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Please re-read my post. I said I am not going to defend him on the x’s and o’s.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Don’t any of you “Hue is God” fans see that he is being phased out.
Hue could be the greatest Head Coach since Bill Walsh but it’s not going to be with the Raiders.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Seymour,
The Raiders played their WORST 5 games at the end of the season. Forget scheme for a second…why dod this team get “blown out” in Miami, Green Bay and not put up a fight. Looked raggedy on offense in KC, Miami, Green Bay, couldn’t pull shhhhh together and just be ready to play. 5 gms with everything in grasp.
Lost playoffs to Tim Tebow and his 3 points per gm, Cincy and their 2nd round rook qb, tennesse and all their issues. Are u kidding me!
The Raidersn, with the injuries, were superior to those three teams by week 17..or should have been.
You will NEVER see an easier path to the playoffs than this year.
Remember that when KC gets their QB, RB ans safety back with a full year of Romeo tutoring up that Defense and when San Diego gets healthy and fine tunes that offense and with John Fox and another year to tool up their defense.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
“he could do whatever he needed.”
except, you know, heal McFadden, bring back Asomugha, keep Davis alive, keep JC healthy, give Palmer a full off-season, not be saddled with Boller as his backup QB, heal Ford, not have Bresnahan as his D-coordinator, not have rookies as D-position-coaches…
Yeah, other than those things, Hue had free reign
January 4th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I think Hue could have overruled some of those Tampa 2 calls, in critical situations, or, called for more pressure in others.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
When Juan Castillo started faltering as DC, did Andy Reid take over? No. He HIRED SOMEONE ELSE, WHOSE AREA OF EXPERTISE IS DEFENSE, TO CONSULT.
When a DC is fired mid-season, does the offensive-minded head coach assume the duties? No, they hire someone else.
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Again, what I have been saying over and over and over that I still do not understand why you guys don’t get, is the Head Coaches JOB is to help and evaluate ALL aspects of the team. If for whatever reason that Saint defense starts to falter, you can damn well bet, Sean Payton is going to be in the meetings. You think he isn’t? You think he is just going to bring in Tony Dungy as a consultant to figure it out? That is crazy.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Hopefully the new GM will see eye-to-eye with Hue, because it really would benefit the offense to have some consistency. Especially now that Palmer seems to be gelling with his receivers, and DHB finally looks somewhat comfortable being a go-to receiver.
But if Hue doesn’t want to play nice, then I have no problem with the new GM bringing in a guy who shares his vision of where the Raiders need to go.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
freddie,
I agreed with what you said. Just letting you know that Seymour was defending Cable’s drama-free 2009 2nd-worst O season ever, despite Russell being in his 3rd season.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
wow. McBusinessDecision would’ve practiced today.
“I coulda been a contenda.”
WlessPOS.
how come no one ever points out the Ken Herock was a Raider TE back in the day?
Mark, Amy, John, Ron, Ken please do well by Raider Nation. Chips fall where they may.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
so Bush,
what good would it do for Andy Reid to be in the faltering Eagles Defensive meetings?
Exactly what nuggets of D wisdom is he going to bring to the table?
He stays the heck out of them. Might chew out D-coach on the side, but doesn’t get INVOLVED with the D.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Your right again, no disfunction in 2011. Forget aboutthe no Off season program, Mentor and heart of Raiders dead, QB injured, starting back and rookie back injured, WR injured……
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Dude again, I will make it easy. Trask and Mark Davis gave Jackson complete free rein. Basically he could do whatever he needed. The team got worse. Even at the end of the year Jackson was saying we were getting healthier. the team got worse. To me it is pretty obvious. Unless somehow you think the team was getting better…..
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You must be a a second or third grade student. No way and adult can be this this clueless.
The defense got worse down the stretch, contrary to what you think you know, Hue does not call the defense the DC does. Hue looked pissed whenever the D was on the field. Chuck and Hue did not see eye to eye. You have no clue what power hue was given over the D. Stop being stupid!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Get the f outta here with that nonsense.
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lol.. exactly what I was thinking. Oh yeah, we were this close. We coulda been a contenda!
January 4th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
“he could do whatever he needed.”
except, you know, heal McFadden, bring back Asomugha, keep Davis alive, keep JC healthy, give Palmer a full off-season, not be saddled with Boller as his backup QB, heal Ford, not have Bresnahan as his D-coordinator, not have rookies as D-position-coaches…
Yeah, other than those things, Hue had free reign
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You’re melting down now MR. Sucks to be you. But you like excuses right?
January 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
McRaider5150 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Your right again, no disfunction in 2011. Forget aboutthe no Off season program, Mentor and heart of Raiders dead, QB injured, starting back and rookie back injured, WR injured……
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Dude again, I will make it easy. Trask and Mark Davis gave Jackson complete free rein. Basically he could do whatever he needed. The team got worse. Even at the end of the year Jackson was saying we were getting healthier. the team got worse. To me it is pretty obvious. Unless somehow you think the team was getting better…..
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You must be a a second or third grade student. No way and adult can be this this clueless.
The defense got worse down the stretch, contrary to what you think you know, Hue does not call the defense the DC does. Hue looked pissed whenever the D was on the field. Chuck and Hue did not see eye to eye. You have no clue what power hue was given over the D. Stop being stupid!!!
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Did Jackson do anything? Anything you know of? Or did he just stand on the deck of the titanic and hope? Looking pissed sounds like hope to me. You may now leave.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
seymour getting punked from all angles.
McRaider
Freddie B.
YA
Myself
sucks to be the special kid talkin’ nonsense.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Alex7 Says:
I think there are about 27 franchises that would like the Chargers success the last 5 years.
Three AFC titles in a row.
3 playoff wins.
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The Chargers went to the Super Bowl three straight years in the past five years? I must have slept through that sh!t.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Again, what I have been saying over and over and over that I still do not understand why you guys don’t get, is the Head Coaches JOB is to help and evaluate ALL aspects of the team. If for whatever reason that Saint defense starts to falter, you can damn well bet, Sean Payton is going to be in the meetings. You think he isn’t? You think he is just going to bring in Tony Dungy as a consultant to figure it out? That is crazy.
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Evaluating is much, much different from coaching.
No, he’s not going to bring in Tony Dungy. If the defense all of a sudden falls off a cliff, Sean Payton and his GM find an in-house solution to promote to the defensive coordinator position. Sean Payton DOES NOT start telling Gregg Williams what to do, nor does he start coaching the defense himself.
Indeed, according to both Bresnahan and Hue, they DID frequently meet. But it’s not like there was no one on the defensive staff qualified to take over the DC job. And Hue wasn’t about to start concocting the defensive gameplan as well as the offensive gameplan. That’s not his job. That’s why you hire coordinators.
Unfortunately, Al hired Chuck Bresnahan without the intention of Chuck Bresnahan actually having to come up with the defensive gameplan every week. Something Chuck is clearly not skilled at doing.
January 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
so Bush,
what good would it do for Andy Reid to be in the faltering Eagles Defensive meetings?
Exactly what nuggets of D wisdom is he going to bring to the table?
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Yeah, what does Andy Reid know about the defensive side of his own team. You’re right. How did he stay in the league for 15 years not knowing defenses. You are now starting to sound stupider and stupider
January 4th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
here’s Andy Reid’s involvement in the Eagles D:
“Castilla, what the heck are you teaching these guys? If I knew D any better, I’d do it myself. I’m going to find someone that does and have him help you out.”
January 4th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
I would much rather trust Davis, Trask, Madden, Wolf, Herock and perhaps McKenzie to make organizational moves.
players play, coaches coach. which players and which coaches should be up to the braintrust.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Again, what I have been saying over and over and over that I still do not understand why you guys don’t get, is the Head Coaches JOB is to help and evaluate ALL aspects of the team. If for whatever reason that Saint defense starts to falter, you can damn well bet, Sean Payton is going to be in the meetings. You think he isn’t? You think he is just going to bring in Tony Dungy as a consultant to figure it out? That is crazy.
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Evaluating is much, much different from coaching.
No, he’s not going to bring in Tony Dungy. If the defense all of a sudden falls off a cliff, Sean Payton and his GM find an in-house solution to promote to the defensive coordinator position. Sean Payton DOES NOT start telling Gregg Williams what to do, nor does he start coaching the defense himself.
Indeed, according to both Bresnahan and Hue, they DID frequently meet. But it’s not like there was no one on the defensive staff qualified to take over the DC job. And Hue wasn’t about to start concocting the defensive gameplan as well as the offensive gameplan. That’s not his job. That’s why you hire coordinators.
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Obviously he is not going to start making the defensive calls. He is already making the offensive calls. But what he will do is meet with the defensive assistants and see if there is anything they can all agree on to help the defense or adjust the game plan. Or make personnel changes, or make adjustments in schemes. Is there ANY evidence Jackson ever did this?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Think the Raiders are handling things dysfunctionally? Take a look at the Bears. They fire their GM and announce at the presser that the new GM will have to be somebody that will work well with HC Lovie Smith.
The new Chi. GM CANNOT bring in his own guy. It’s already been announced.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
I didn’t punk Seymour. I get Seymour’s point. Hue is the head coach and thus is responsible of all aspects of the game. I get he is an offense minded coach, but all I know is that if my butt was on the line, I would take a heavy handed approach if I has a unit performing as poorly as our defense. In Hue’s defense, we don’t know that he didn’t happen and the problems were so vast that it isn’t fair to call for his head at this point. If Hue is retained, get a solid DC and fill the holes.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Alex7 Says:
I think there are about 27 franchises that would like the Chargers success the last 5 years.
Three AFC titles in a row.
3 playoff wins.
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The Chargers went to the Super Bowl three straight years in the past five years? I must have slept through that sh!t.
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Alex doesn’t know what he is saying. Never has.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
keep it simple Bush
Mike McCarthy can BEAT a defense.
Mike McCarthy can not develop, teach, manage, and play-call a defense.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Once again. Thank you FreddieB. Now you guys can see why the guy is a hall of famer.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
verbal flatulence gets nobody nowhere.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
come now, Freddie B.
A RAIDERS head coach overseeing the ENTIRE team?
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever has happened.
Until this off-season.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
or no place fast.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Mc Raider 5150 Says:
So I get it, every coach should be given 1 year to bring a franchise back from the dead?
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So the 2010 Raiders are considered “the dead”? What does that make the 2011 Raiders? The decomposed?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
or Iowa.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Seymour is not a bad player necessarily. I would have liked to see Seymour playing in a real defensive scheme over the past few years, with a 1-tech next to him instead of TK who is also a pass-rushing specialist.
But what the Raiders need now is an infusion of youth on that side of the ball. Seymour is one of the few players with trade value, specifically because he’s a veteran presence and a savvy player. Three years ago he fit what the Raiders needed on their team. He helped mentor the young guys, and was a savvy, passionate player on a team that seemed to lack savvy and passion entirely.
He served his purpose. But the reality is that now things have changed, and he doesn’t quite fit what the Raiders need right now. They need to get younger, and they need to finally stop the run. If they switch to a 3-4 he’ll be a key cog. But if they don’t? I’m not sure how valuable he can continue to be for the Raiders.
Personally? If I had to choose between TK and Seymour, it’s Seymour every time. But if the Raiders can find a gap-plugging 1 or 2-tech, and use Seymour to acquire a couple mid-round draft picks for him and help restock a cabinet that is pretty bare right now, they should do it.
Houston and Bryant are more than capable of playing 3-tech DT in a 4-3.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
It sucks to be you too sully??.. you idiot..
January 4th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
and Freddie, you KNOW you can’t just drastically change something mid-season. You know this.
Hue’s hands were 99% tied by what Mr. Davis had put on the D-side of the field.
The other 1% got us Palmer and Curry.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Maybe what I thought was Jackson would say in a presser like after say the Nov 6 Denver beating and say, “look we are struggling on defense, I can turn the O over to Al Saunders and spend some time on that side of the ball.” And take some responsibility.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
you mean like Andy Reid did?
Oh wait, they don’t know enough to do so.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
What a freaking joke …Now DMAC is ready. Must have gone sprinting out to the practice field ready to go and someone had to burst his bubble that the season had ended already..
January 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
639.Twocents Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Don’t any of you “Hue is God” fans see that he is being phased out.
Hue could be the greatest Head Coach since Bill Walsh but it’s not going to be with the Raiders.
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Why do you say this?
We knew Raiders would hire a GM. Who says that whomever it is decides the best course is to keep Hue for another year?
I don’t see any other “signs” in play other than Raiders doing the interviews we all knew they would do.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Is there ANY evidence Jackson ever did this?
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In interviews and press conferences, both Hue and Chuck discussed meeting with each other and discussing the defensive struggles.
The results just weren’t there.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
665.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
come now, Freddie B.
A RAIDERS head coach overseeing the ENTIRE team?
Never, ever, ever, ever, ever has happened.
Until this off-season.
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Not saying running the D. His fist should have been so far up Chuck’s azz that he would have chipped his tooth on Hue’s ring. That’s what I would have expected. No more, no less. Again, not saying Hue should go, but he should be expected to bring someone in who can fix it.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
maybe you don’t appreciate the talent, brain-use, and commitment it takes to coach an O or D to an NFL top-15 status.
To think that person should also have the mental capacity to develop, implement, teach, and game-manage the opposite side of the ball…
is dumb.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
there’s a reason it’s NEVER DONE nowadays.
Too specialized, too evolving year to year.
Same reason the game was over Art Shell’s head 2nd time around.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
keep it simple Bush
Mike McCarthy can BEAT a defense.
Mike McCarthy can not develop, teach, manage, and play-call a defense.
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Actually I think Mike MCCarthy was a LB coach initially. But then Paul Hackett took him aside and he has been offensive ever since. So either that was a trick question, or you are very very stupid. I gather it was the latter.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
One thing no one has mentioned (that i’ve seen), is I think it would’ve been a good idea that after the Denver game was over and the Raiders knew they had lost, that Hue call the team over and tell the defense that (if they didn’t know).
Maybe it would’ve helped give them the tiny spark they needed to hold SD on the 1/2 yd. line.
They all said they didn’t know Denver lost.
Hue should have told ‘em: “listen you dumbazzes. Denver just lost. If you hold ‘em here, we get the ball back with a chance to win the division.”
They sure as heck didn’t play like ANYTHING was at stake when Tolbert ran over everybody en route to a 42 yd. run.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
You saw the dumb look the players had when asked about knowing if Denver had lost. I think they thought is was a done deal that Denver would win.
The D played like nothing was at stake. Maybe they thought nothing was.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
I’m pretty sure Hue Jack will be here atleast one more season… but he will definitely get fired if we don’t win the division next season. ..whomever takes the GM position will not want to rock the boat so fast…. he will let the hc dig his own grave… but the new GM will sign the next d coordinator. .. expect a new defensive coaching staff…for 2012..
January 4th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
there’s a reason it’s NEVER DONE nowadays.
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I just told you Juan Castillo went from Oline coach to DC. You have spun around so many times, you’re dizzy. Go get a drink of water. You are making others around you dizzy.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Djohnnyg, I say this because Hue is not being consulted on a damn thing. I think Amy along with Wolf, Herock and Madden are calling the shots and I don’t think any of them hold Hue in high regard.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
he will let the hc dig his own grave…
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To rephrase: Give him just enough rope . . .
January 4th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
see ya bush.
The Eagles fiasco. O coach coaching a D. Outside counsel had to be brought in to help.
Case closed.
No one asks Norv Turner to help the D.
Or Andy Reid.
You’re asking that of Hue. How desperate.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
If no one is responsible for the whole team, then why have a head coach (or GM for that matter). Again, not saying Hue should be fired because the defense sucked. Chuck should! Hue should be expected to bring someone in who can fix it. Al is gone now, so hopefully he will be allowed to do that. Don’t want to get caught up in all this, just want the Raiders to start winning again. Like Al, I would like to see another Raider super bowl win before I die (several hopefully).
January 4th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Everyone, including Hue and Chuck B, KNEW the defense was atrocious. A few insightful posters like Dknight, B@uce and Rockstar were keenly aware of their shortcomings well b4 any snap was taken in the preseason.
You tellin me NOTHING could be done to just get this group to raggedy? I mean damn, TWO 98+ drives in the clutch?
Hue is an OC. He didn’t manage the team.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
djohnny
the entire crowd was telling them.
Players acknowledged they heard it.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
SnB
EVERY SINGLE Raiders head coach ever hired was mainly an OC.
This is the first off-season the head coach might have say in what coaches he brings in on the other side of the ball.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Twocents… I do agree that hue jack lost his kriptonite with that loss to sd. …and I think He knew it… he straight up got nurtured. ..I guess he feels he lost all leverage with that bad loss to SD. .
January 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Only so much you can do for a defense low on talent, with a defensive coordinator low on talent, and a staff of assistants in the first coaching gigs.
People are mad at Hue for not taking accountability. Well what happens to the locker room when he starts putting the blame on the defense? When he starts telling Chuck and the defensive players that they’re not doing their jobs and that he knows better than they do what should be done on the defensive side of the ball? How can you do that, especially when there’s no one on the staff that could take over the defensive coordinator role?
Hue had only one option, and that was to see if Chuck Bresnahan could pull it together at the end of the season. It’s not like the flaws in the defense were hard to diagnose. But without a new scheme and new players, there’s not a whole lot that could be done.
Hue made his share of mistakes as head coach, but there’s very little if anything he could have done about the mess that is the Raider defense.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Freddie
You know with Al around no Raiders HC was ever in charge of anything but calling the O plays.
To think Hue starting in week 5 had many options on how to turn around that D is far-fetched.
Handful of street free agents out there, coaches off the streets. Can’t do squat til off-season.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
FreddieB Says:
Hue should be expected to bring someone in who can fix it
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When did Hue become an expert on defensive coordinators? I really wish one of you would answer that one. Why should Hue be making that decision rather than a GM? When did he earn that right?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
You saw the dumb look the players had when asked about knowing if Denver had lost. I think they thought is was a done deal that Denver would win.
The D played like nothing was at stake. Maybe they thought nothing was.
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Mutiny, thats all. Why they would mutiny, well I’m not privy to the locker room, but as all mutinous seamen would mutinize their journey for: no faith in the captain.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
686… thanks raiding Texas. .. I admit I thought about saying that but I didn’t want to hear any racist accusations…LOL…
January 4th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Here I am going to repost this from earlier:
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Even tho I am do not completely absolve the offense from this catastrophe like you all, let’s focus on the defense for one second. Do any of you remember the game in the RCA Dome in 2000 or 2001 when Peyton was ripping us a new one and in the 2nd half, Beikert starting adjusting the defensive calls to alter what Manning was doing and we ended up winning that game? Any of you remember that game? We have Rod Woodson on our defensive staff. Rod knows a tiny bit about defenses. And Kevin Ross is one smart guy, who happened to be a safety making tons of defensive calls for some very good defenses. Why couldn’t all these guys somehow figure it out?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
The GM is responsible for the entire team. The GM died Week 5 of the season. Hue was/is not qualified to be the GM of this team.
If the Raiders were run like a real organization when Hue was hired, you can be certain that Bresnahan would have never been the defensive coordinator. Nor would the Raiders have handed out massive contracts to marginal players.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raiding Texas
it’s NORMAL for coaches to hire the coordinators.
Normal.
Leslie Frazier in Minnesota is doing that right now.
Kubiak wanted Wade Phillips.
Peyton wanted Gregg Williams.
Sure, you ask the GM, except we don’t have one yet. But it’s normal for the HC to request a certain DC.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
#
# Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Best case scenario as of now, for me:
GM: Reggie McKenzie.
Personnel: Elliot Wolf.
HC: Hue Jackson.
DC: Mike Trgovac.
Give Hue next season to focus on coaching full-time, as opposed to last year, he’ll have a normal off-season to get Carson and the WR’s in-synch and work with Trgovac on Defense.
This would also allow the new front-office to properly evaluate Hue and the players on this team and see what direction we need to go if it doesn’t work out.
Obviously with the understanding that Hue has to buy in, he’s a coach not a GM, that’s where his future lies and if he’s a smart man he will acknowledge that working with those guys and bringing back the Raiders to the playoffs is his best path to a long, successful career as a Head Coach.
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Trgovac should be a solid pick as the DC, however, once again, we need the right pieces and players to switch to a 3-4.
I would like to see Del Rio or Spagnolo hired as DC for sure if they stick to a 4-3.
Del Rio is a Raider also!
Would love to see Mckenzie AND Wolf come in a package deal!
That would be fantastic!
January 4th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Everyone, including Hue and Chuck B, KNEW the defense was atrocious. A few insightful posters like Dknight, B@uce and Rockstar were keenly aware of their shortcomings well b4 any snap was taken in the preseason.
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Nope. I was saying the Pass D was atrocious in the pre-season. B@uce was calling me an idiot, because it was “just pre-season”
January 4th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Freddie
You know with Al around no Raiders HC was ever in charge of anything but calling the O plays.
To think Hue starting in week 5 had many options on how to turn around that D is far-fetched.
Handful of street free agents out there, coaches off the streets. Can’t do squat til off-season.
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Well, uh, duh. But if it continues to get worse and worse and worse, and the best Jackson can do is throw everyone other than himself under the bus….
January 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Bush, because Beikert as a coach from the sidelines wasn’t close enough to decode every QB’s audibles?
Because Rod Woodson in his prime as a player could affect the outcome of a game a lot more than Rod Woodson coaching technique to rag-tag fringe players?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
The GM is responsible for the entire team. The GM died Week 5 of the season. Hue was/is not qualified to be the GM of this team.
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Yes. But Jackson basically became the Head of all Football Operations. And it went straight downhill. Do you retain him at any level?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
THE LIST !!!
Hire a GM first. If that GM wants to keep Hue, fine. If not, I wont miss him:
1. RRS
2. JFB
3. Dakota
4. Forrest Hump
5. firehue
6. PA
7. wasbanned
8. fingers
9. SnB
10. Raider O
11. YA
12. Jhill
13. Hunter T
14. Buck
15. GG
16. DMAC
17. Silver
18. Mr Brown
19. Ohio
20. Dirt Lot
21. No Mas
Keep Hue Jackson no matter what. Let him help decide who the GM will be. He gets complete control of staffing and roster changes:
1. Mistic
2. LA
3. Marley
4. Chris
5. Ole
6. Exla
7. McRaider
8. Debo
Hire a GM first. However keep Hue as the head coach for ONE more year under the direction of, and completely subordinate to the new GM. Continuity is key. However this is Hue’s LAST chance.
1. ArmChair GM
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Add me to Armchair GM’s choice. Thanks
Oh yes, FIRE Bresnahan Now, if for no other reason than JUST BECAUSE.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I think Hue could have overruled some of those Tampa 2 calls, in critical situations, or, called for more pressure in others.
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You got that right. he’s the fckng hc and shoulda put his foot up d-cord Bs’ ass after the roit game. but as a manager, you leave the duties of the d cord up to the d cord, but no doubt there should have been a pimp hand in there.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
the Packers D has shown no improvement down the stretch.
That’s Mike McCarthy’s fault.
Makes sense, Bush
goodnight all.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
If the Raiders were run like a real organization when Hue was hired
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Well that right there already doesn’t make sense.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
690.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
djohnny
the entire crowd was telling them.
Players acknowledged they heard it.
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I heard Seymour and Carson say they didn’t know.
Maybe they were bs’ing.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Bush, because Beikert as a coach from the sidelines wasn’t close enough to decode every QB’s audibles?
Because Rod Woodson in his prime as a player could affect the outcome of a game a lot more than Rod Woodson coaching technique to rag-tag fringe players?
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I think you got the answer somewhat right when you mentioned rag tag fringe players. bingo.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
What a shame Trevor Scott retired before the season began.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Hue over-ruling the cover-2 call:
Hue: “Dang it Chuck, call man D right now!”
announcer: “Rivers throws downfield to Gates, who beats Mike Mitchell, TD Chargers!”
Chuck: “Our man D is no better Hue, sorry.”
January 4th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Alex, never said that I expected a top notch D by the end of the year, but Rome was burning. Get a f’n bucket or something.
Raiding, most coaches get to pick thier DC. The GM may have to give their blessing though.
Everyone is giving me all this crap, but no one answered my question.
“If no one is responsible for the whole team, then why have a head coach (or GM for that matter).”
January 4th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Yes. But Jackson basically became the Head of all Football Operations. And it went straight downhill. Do you retain him at any level?
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It’s up to the GM. If the GM decides that Hue’s philosophies meshes with his, then I don’t see why not.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Freddie,
You’ve been spot-on most of the night, I appreciate your commentary.
On MOST teams, the HC DOES have final say in many matters, including the D-scheme implemented, the D-coaches, the roster fitting that scheme, and the GM is in harmony for the draft and free agent signings.
Oakland is obviously a different beast, til now.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Are we still talking about firing Hue?
How long have most you been part of The Nation?
Jesus I mean our defense gave up the 2nd most points in franchise history!! How does anyone even know that Hue had the
Power to fire Chucky B? Maybe Mark Davis and Amy wanted to keep him?
And JC goes down, and Al dies.
You guys are morons. Our offense became food again BECAUSE of Hue!
We started winning division games again because of HUE!!
We have a real QB because of HUE!
Bring in a GM who will bring In a D coordinator which will allow HueJax to focus entirely on the offense.
We are close people! We scored at least 24 points in the 4 games that cost us the division.
Losing the division this year the way we did was what needed to happen so the right people are hired to put this once, proud franchises back on the map!!
Gonna take another year to clean up the stench that Al left behind!!
GO RAIDERS!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
philosophy* meshes
January 4th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raiding Texas
it’s NORMAL for coaches to hire the coordinators.
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I understand that, Alex. But those guys you mentioned had much better track records in their previous coaching history. They were also groomed as assistant head coaches for awhile. Payton was an assistant HC and playcaller for a Super Bowl team.
Prior to coming to the Raiders, Hue’s resume consisted of two failed stints as OC mixed in with some position coach jobs.
Hue has not earned the right to handpick the entire coaching staff on his own. You cannot seriously make that argument. Better football people need to fill out the Raiders coaching staff, whether Hue is here or not.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
what went straight downhill?
After Davis passed, we won 4 of 6, with the no-QB KC loss being one of them.
Then, at 7-4, we played the Packers. Expected outcome.
The D decided to give up 34, 46, 28, and 38 points after we were 7-4.
Not sure how you overcome that unless you’re the Saints or Packers.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
What I didn’t like was the appearance of an uneven and inconsistent effort those last 5 gms. Hue needed to get the team to play smarter and stronger down the stretch and it fell flat.
Also,
Everyone knew the D was horrid after Buffalo.
Do triage, get some help, simplify the defense. If the zone wasn’t workin, go back to the man they were comfortable withh, and get those millionaire players (seymour, kelly, wimbley and Routt) to step it up. The D-Line was awful down the stretch
January 4th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
It’s up to the GM. If the GM decides that Hue’s philosophies meshes with his, then I don’t see why not.
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The team played poorly the last two thirds of the season going 4-6 with a couple of those wins coming against some marginal teams. And even those wins against marginal opponents weren’t all that convincing. Still see why not?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
compare what we did to what the Colts, Bears, and Rams did when their starting QBs went down.
I think our outcome was about what you’d expect, realistically.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
If you are going to blame Hue for everything that is not fair!
He inherited all of Al’s players, Al’s defense, the “culture” of the penalties, etc.
Most HC’s have a GM to work with, that is a “Normal” way to run a Profesional Football Franchise!!
Let’s give him and his offense another year, a normal year, and then if the same crap happens, I will personally drive HueJax to the airport out of Oakland!
in HUE we trust!!
January 4th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Neither man nor zone, blitzing nor 4-man pressure, NOTHING worked for the defense on a consistent basis this season. It’s a poorly coached unit without a single proven difference-maker.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
SnB
we had marginal talent. Many of us non-rose-colored-glasses fans predicted 7-9 from the get-go.
Then we lost Davis, DMac, JC, and Ford.
Why WOULDN’T we look inconsistent?
January 4th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Alex7:
You and me homie see it, Some of our Raider Brothers still seeing red and have not calmed down yet. They will….
January 4th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
303, don’t sweat it. It’s only a few “Raiders were good enough to win 11 games” knuckle-heads that disagree with us.
Not sure why they think we were that good.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
to summarize:
8-8 team last year.
We lose our best player on D.
Lose DMac.
Lose QB.
Lose Ford.
Downgrade our DC.
Owner/GM dies.
People expected improvement? Playing the Patriots, Jets, and Packers instead of the NFC West? No idea why.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
We have a real QB because of HUE!
We are close people! We scored at least 24 points in the 4 games that cost us the division.
Losing the division this year the way we did was what needed to happen so the right people are hired to put this once, proud franchises back on the map!!
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I would completely agree that we have Palmer because of Jackson. And I will stand by that deal, and stand by Jackson because of it. That was a good deal for us. The question is did Jackson lose some of the roster because of it?
I also agree that losing the division might be a blessing in disguise, because now we can bring in some new fresh football people to take this thing over.
Are we close? My heart says yes, my head says no. I think we have some nice offensive pieces to build around. The entire defense needs to be upgraded with the exception of one or two pieces. That is going to take some time.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
723.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
compare what we did to what the Colts, Bears, and Rams did when their starting QBs went down.
I think our outcome was about what you’d expect, realistically.
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Yes, but a division title was still there for the taking.
That damn defense makes ONE STOP and we’re discussing how we match up at home with Pittsburgh.
That’s what has made me mad all over again-watching NFLN and hearing them discuss the matchups, and it makes me teed off all over again that those lamers couldn’t even make a play.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Hey Alex…
tell me more about how the “new Gm will come in and give Hue and extension before the season”…
that was good for some laughs the other night, and i could use some more humor…
January 4th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
excellent post Bush.
I feel the AFC West will only have one possible dominant team next year in KC.
So despite our D still being a few years away, I think we can win 10 if healthy. Our O should return closer to 2010 status.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
VanHeathen
willing to bet Hue gets an extension.
Name your amount.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
funny how so many people here still insist on calling palmer a “real qb” or “elite” but he hasnt played well over the last two seasons throwing a ton of picks.
Doesnt he have to prove that he “elite” by avoiding picks and throwing into quintuple coverage?
yet these same peoe want hue jack gone after his rookie year and going 8-8, which under the circumstances was exceptional.
weird
January 4th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Yeah, what did people think was gonna happen with all the crap that went down?
When you give up 433 points on defense, what DID you all think was gonna happen?
The reason The Donks won the Divison was because their Defense made people punt!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
303, don’t sweat it. It’s only a few “Raiders were good enough to win 11 games” knuckle-heads that disagree with us.
Not sure why they think we were that good.
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I hope you’re not lumping me in that category. I definitely don’t think this team is 11-5 good.
My issues with Hue go beyond an 8-8 record.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
lol, under $100 to keep it fun.
A guy that can put up a top-6 offense one year, with JASON CAMPBELL, and a top-15 the next with our mess, and is as passionate as Hue…
stays longer than 2 years.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
compare what we did to what the Colts, Bears, and Rams did when their starting QBs went down.
I think our outcome was about what you’d expect, realistically.
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Not the same. lst off, Colts, and Rams have overall number ones at the position, the Bears have a pro bowler. So none of those teams could go out and get ANOTHER overall number one. When our Q went down, we UPGRADED. And Personally, I am not at all disappointed with Carson his lst half season here.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
This whole issue of who has final say is crap. People succeed when they cooperate, when they agree on a course of action, when they are united by a common vision.
This is where a man of competence excells, they earn the trust of others because they deliver, not just once in a while, but with consistency.
I believe that McKenzie is that man.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
So if Hue knew the defense was “uncompetitive, then why mortgage the future for Palmer when you know damn well the team didn’t have the juice to make a meaningful run.
All that “win now” bs was predicated on making a strong showing this year and elite next. Now, with all the holes, this team has limited ability to get playmakers on defense short of diamond in the rough types.
Should have saved the picks. We coulda missed the playoffs just as well with Boller / Pryor
January 4th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Seymour-Bush:
It only took Houston one year at 8-8 to turn their defense around? We have some good pieces, a new D coordinator, a big signing or 2.
Doesn’t take much to turn a team from 8-8 to 11-5.
We close homie…..
January 4th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Mistic
we saw a great QB vs the Chargers twice, the Vikings, the Bears, and Lions.
We saw some clunkers, as expected given his circumstances.
I haven’t seen 300+ yards, TDs, and 3 wins in a row look so easy since the Gannon days.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
why are fans freaking out about “mortgaging the future”?
A mid 1st and mid 2nd?
Umm, McClain and Houston?
Spare me the drama. I’ll take the best QB play since Gannon for that any day, especially with a chance to make playoffs for first time in 9 years.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
9-3 in the AFC West because of HueJax.
Undefeated in the Divison on the road because of HueJax.
Man has balls son!
Now give him a Defense and ThEN let’s see what happens!
January 4th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Alex,
And Carson is younger than Gannon was (by 5yrs.) when Gannon won MVP.
I don’t why some are saying we’ve seen the best Palmer has to offer.
He’s 32 NOT 42.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
They believed what they were hearing i guess, hue’s early season bravado,what ever media was jumping to predictions on what sort of success the raiders were going to have, i think our d showed its blueprint to what was going to happen for the season im game 2…
Why do some of these guys no seem to be imroving, study your shortcomings work ya butt off the offseason and fix the damn thing…
I sure cant wait for the next season to start, bball just does not compare heart beating wise…
S@B
January 4th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
So if Hue knew the defense was “uncompetitive, then why mortgage the future for Palmer when you know damn well the team didn’t have the juice to make a meaningful run.
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That’s an excellent question. Hue said the other day he knew what this team’s identity was after the Buffalo game. So why give away to high draft picks for a team that you know is going to blow games all season?
I really do not trust Hue Jackson. I see red flags everywhere with this guy. It just gives me a bad feeling.
January 4th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
690.alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
djohnny
the entire crowd was telling them.
Players acknowledged they heard it.
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I heard Seymour and Carson say they didn’t know.
Maybe they were bs’ing.
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The whole stadium was chanting “donkies lost” they all heard it ….
January 4th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Broncos used a 1st, 3rd, and 4th to get Tebow.
Did they mortgage their future?
Bears gave up two 1st rounders for Cutler.
Did they mortgage their entire future?
Cardinals gave up a 1st (player) and 2nd for Kolb.
Is their future finished?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
we also received a bunch of young players with the other picks we lost.
Barksdale, Taiwan, Curry.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Mistic:
I agree Carson needs to improve but given the situation, I didn’t think he was gonna come in and light it up.
He probably pressed a bit because:
1) no training camp
2) receivers were in and out of the lineup and dropped a lot of balls
3) he saw that crappy defense and was pressing as a QB when you HAVE to score 7 every time
4) no running game after Minnesota, NO running game
I’m ok with Carson and an offseason. We will fine at QB.
How man bombs did he throw? Wait until he has some real play action to work with!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
When we really really really needed a win late in the season Palmer was miraculous in two of the last three games. And in the one game (KC) where his first half was dismal, his 2nd half was very good. Having Carson Palmer here is really fantastic, sorry.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
What I expected, as the season played out, was to make the playoffs. This season, without a doubt, had more things happen that were outside our control than any I can remember. That’s for sure. It is also a year when an 8-8 team will be representing the ACF West and it should have been the Raiders. I know we would have struggled in the playoffs, but it’s all part of the progress. We can continue to build from that. I’m not sure that making the playoff’s would have stopped the team from cleaning house on D. We all watched the games. I don’t think that anyone would contend that we could compete with real playoff teams with that D.
Anyway, take care. I’m out.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
And another thing on Palmer, he did not falter as the season wore on as evidenced by him having the 3rd highest passing yards game in Raider history the last game-417 yards with a clutch laser to Boss to get the Raiders close.
Not Palmers fault those turds on defense couldn’t man up with everything on the line and give him one last shot.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
SnB…
“So if Hue knew the defense was “uncompetitive, then why mortgage the future for Palmer…
Now, with all the holes, this team has limited ability to get playmakers on defense short of diamond in the rough types.”
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Mortgage the Future?.
It was 2 picks man, 2 players.
Trading for Palmer in the middle of the season was better than doing it this off-season after a 1 year hiatus…he got back on the field and started to develop some chemistry with the WR’s and O-Line.
Palmer’s acquisition should pay off the next 2 seasons.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Alex7 Says:
A mid 1st and mid 2nd?
Umm, McClain and Houston?
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Don’t be a fool, Alex. The old man that made those dumb draft picks can’t hurt this team any more.
I for one was looking forward to what the Raiders could get in the first round this April without Al drooling over 40 times.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
303Raider Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Seymour-Bush:
It only took Houston one year at 8-8 to turn their defense around? We have some good pieces, a new D coordinator, a big signing or 2.
Doesn’t take much to turn a team from 8-8 to 11-5.
We close homie…..
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As much as I want to agree we don’t have Mario Williams, Brian Cushing, JJWatt, DeMeco Ryans on our team. I kept telling fans during the Houston game if you want to see how a ILB is supposed to play watch their 56. And compare him to our 55.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Jason Campbell got a lot better under Hue and Al Saunders Palmer will do the same. Give him an off season and a camp lets see what he can do next year.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
OK, you guys, I am now back to bringing my customary unbridled optimism. Until I watch tape of the last game which I haven’t done even yet. That will put me back in a bad mood for a few hours I’m sure.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
lets wait and see what palmer does next year before we crown him. he wont have any excuses available. I am not certain he will ever be a guy that protects the ball, but i am not quite ready to write him off. Hue jack and suanders are very good with qbs and if anybody can make him better it would be these two. The continued multiple interception games are a giant red flag however, and i was disappointed that he didnt improve in this area over his 8 starts.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
What I would want is for Reggie McKenzie to agree to come here and then somehow pry Tom Clements with him to Oakland. THAT, would be sweeeeeeeet. Especially with Tyrelle Pryor warming up.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Alex7 Says:
A mid 1st and mid 2nd?
Umm, McClain and Houston?
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Don’t be a fool, Alex. The old man that made those dumb draft picks can’t hurt this team any more.
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Historical Data from Bill Polian:
“A study of the last 27 Drafts showed that just 50% of 1st round picks live up to expectations.”
Obviousy that rate should go way down if you look at 2nd round picks.
Even the current darling of NFL executives Ted Thompson has blown a couple of them.
Not to mention another beloved draft “master” named Bill Belichick who keeps acquiring and then blowing 1st, 2nd and 3rd round picks.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Cushing is a machine… Its extremely dissapointing thinking about comparing him to 55 , i thought he was certified sure thing… Problem solved…nekminnit
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
SeyGlenn, go pet your cat that always makes you feel better.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
That will put me back in a bad mood for a few hours I’m sure.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
RaidingTexas Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Raiding Texas
it’s NORMAL for coaches to hire the coordinators.
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Texas says:
“…Better football people need to fill out the Raiders coaching staff, whether Hue is here or not.”
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Granted there is room for improvement but theres some pretty good “football people” on that coaching tree.
Steve Wisnniewski 8 time all pro
Al Saunders has been coaching since the SEVENTIES and has a Super bowl ring from one of the most prolific offenses in history “The greatest show on turf”
Rod Woodsen Hall of Fame
Bob Wylie has 40 yrs experience and in his off time he and his “Mushroom society” actually teach every other Line coach how its done.
Shouldn’t just gut the entire team but again, room for improvement
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
You mention Brian Cushing…The way Cushing plays is what we expected from McClain but instead we have got Brian Bosworth out there a clown, laughing and jogging slow and hitting the wrong gap, sloppy tackling I am sick of watching its like Groves all over again.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
767. Wouldn;t cry if McClain went bye bye. Cushing was a roid head.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
lets wait and see what palmer does next year before we crown him.
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He is gonna throw picks. There is no getting around that. But I will take a 70% completion rate and 8 yards an attempt every time. How can you lose when your Q plays like that?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
767. Wouldn;t cry if McClain went bye bye. Cushing was a roid head.
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yes. But even when he isn’t swimming in bull hormones he plays damn good.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
You won’t find #56 covering WR’s down the middle of the field I can tell you that. Bres is a certified moron, like you.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
I kept telling fans during the Houston game if you want to see how a ILB is supposed to play watch their 56. And compare him to our 55.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Brian cushings before an after steroid pics are incrediable…and very funny… Overtraining my ass$&@!
January 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
SeyGlenn, go pet your cat that always makes you feel better.
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Jamista take colt McCoys shwanz out of your grill. No one can understand you.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Pryor was the last big swing by Al.
I’m not expecting much.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
PeymourGlen, you cant get the Clev Browns out of your mind! Did you try seeing a shrink or hypnotism?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
763. Spurious logic slants and dismisses contrary evidence.
ie.
Detractors always busted Als chops for draft failures and then claimed he was “locked in a closet” when successful picks panned out.
Al rebuilt this team with later and 2nd day draft picks.
Shaughnessy, Ford, Moore, Veldheer, Bush ect.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
“Hue jack and suanders are very good with qbs and if anybody can make him better it would be these two.”
Sounds like we are in agreement?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
You won’t find #56 covering WR’s down the middle of the field I can tell you that. Bres is a certified moron, like you.
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Actually yes you do. The difference is he can cover. Wrong again. As usual. How did your boy do in Iowa? Everyone rejected his slime. A lot like you in this forum.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Bush.
He is gonna throw picks. There is no getting around that. But I will take a 70% completion rate and 8 yards an attempt every time. How can you lose when your Q plays like that?.
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You can.
In our last 2 home games, must win games the offense averaged 26.5 points and 498 yards gained, Carson Palmer threw 1 pick.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
PeymourGlen, politics AGAIN?
Did you cat reject you again? Try duct taping cat nip to your nut sack and maybe your kitty cat will rub up on you.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
772. yup
January 4th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Wolf & Madden have been the defacto GM since Al passed not Hue. I suspect they signed off on the CP deal.
Hue has not had any GM duties in my opinion, just coach the team and dont worry about the GM was what he was told.
Now he may very well be bending Marks ear, saying dont listen to them, listen to me. Its all speculative but its good spec.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
“You won’t find #56 covering WR’s down the middle of the field I can tell you that. Bres is a certified moron, like you.”
Wrong again…if Wade Phillips calls a Tampa 2 he would be just like 55 why is that so hard for you to grasp…I posted the Wiki link earlier explaining in full detail the responsibility of the MLB in a Tampa 2 did you read it?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
So, our pimpin, self-appointed President, Upside-Down Recipient of the Chain of Command/Owner/HC/OC/CEO/
Major Decision Maker is at it again: he wishes he could have input in choosing a GM but will follow procedure as authorized.
Imagine this: whorin Hue is laying down with his legs spread as Jerry Sandusky looms tall above him. Hue says, “okay honky that’ll be $20 for a suck, and $40 for half and half.” Sandusky replies: “I only like young boys not rolley-polley old Michelin men like you”, turns his head and vomits as he heads toward the door.
Hue screams “Jerry! wait! I’ll do the whole thing for $20…..” Sandusky keeps moving toward the door. Hue shouts, “Jerrr…..I’ll do it for $10…no $5!” Sandusky laughs and projectile vomits, leaves Hue covered in spunk and chunkers from last night’s hamburger.
C’mon Mark and Amy: use your leverage, make Hue your water boy and whore monger; afterall in the end, he’s sooooo pitiful he’ll work for free so long as you call him a HC.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
769. He might throw less picks with a pre season and time to gel with WRs.
Injury never let that develop this yr
January 4th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Neither man nor zone, blitzing nor 4-man pressure, NOTHING worked for the defense on a consistent basis this season. It’s a poorly coached unit without a single proven difference-maker
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Exactly. Plus the DC had no scheme and everyone was confused from the very beginning during the god awful preaseason games where the D looked pathetic.
It was a sign of things to come during the season.
It seems nobody on the D side of the ball, coached and players were on the same page at all.
I would like to see Waufle stay (he is a heckuva coach) and maybe Woodson, just as an assistant to the main DB coach.
Its going to be the new GM’s decision on which direction him and Huey want to take with the defense however.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I do think we will have a top five offense next year with Hue as HC and no other duties.
Someone send him a book on how to coach defense and let Al call the O plays.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
784. RMR’s mask slips. Always does. So many tells. Yick. Iggy
January 4th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
PeyMour666Glen, MLB’s do not cover WR’s in any def scheme.
Just for fun because you are an idiot and clueless lets say that is the case. We are NOT running a TAMPA 2 are we? No we are NOT! So if Tampa is having their MLB cover a WR in TAMPA 2 you cant compare us in a 4/3 asking #55 to cover WR’s
Now you and both your aliases go F your cat!
lol
fuktards
January 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
Granted there is room for improvement but theres some pretty good “football people” on that coaching tree.
Shouldn’t just gut the entire team but again, room for improvement
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I think you misunderstood me. I was responding to someone who said Hue should get to pick the defensive coordinator. I was responding that better football people (like McKenzie or another proven GM or coach) should make those decisions for the Raiders, not Hue. I’m not in anyway advocating gutting the entire team.
Although if these rumors ever prove true, Woodson is gone.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
789. Incorrect as usual.
We indeed ARE running a Tampa 2 Tampa 3 and various other D schemes.
Thats the D scheme featuring Megatron, McClain and Boyd me lady…
January 4th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
790. I did misunderstand.
Completely agree Hue should not be the one to pick the DC all by his self. No way no how…
January 4th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
We run a 4/3 and mix in some garbage designed by Bres that is pitiful my whore…
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GoodOle00 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
789. Incorrect as usual.
We indeed ARE running a Tampa 2 Tampa 3 and various other D schemes.
Thats the D scheme featuring Megatron, McClain and Boyd me lady…
January 4th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
I know we don’t have Mario w and the other cats.
I was trying to say, they had those dudes last year and signed Joesph and the big thing is they brought in Wade.
A good d coordinator will put us a least in the middle of the pack.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
McClain was also on V. Jackson against the Chargers. Not to mention Houston and Wimbley on Gates.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Listen, it’s not just the Tampa 2.
The 3-4 Zone Blitz used by LeBeau in Pittsburgh and every “modern” defense asks DL and LB’s to drop back and cover an area of the field sometimes.
It’s supposed to throw off the QB because he doesn’t know who will be rushing or who will be dropping.
It’s an effective tactic, that’s why every team has it on it’s playbook, but you must get to the QB fast… otherwise the WR, TE or RB is gonna obviously get open.
But it’s supposed to eliminate the dump-off or quick read from the QB as he feels the pressure, he sees a receiver but he also sees an opponent jersey on the area blocking the path for his throw….but if the QB is not presured or scrambles, that receiver is gonna outrun the DL-LB.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
why are fans freaking out about “mortgaging the future”?
A mid 1st and mid 2nd?
Umm, McClain and Houston?
Spare me the drama. I’ll take the best QB play since Gannon for that any day, especially with a chance to make playoffs for first time in 9 years.
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This is what I’m talking about.
Draft picks are nice and it gives you something fun to talk about in March and April when football is far away, but most draft picks, even 1st and 2nd rounders don’t amount to squat. I’ll give up a 1st and 2nd for a franchise QB any day.
Just to illustrate, here are the last 10 players taken with the 17th pick in the first and second rounds (17 is the # pick we traded to Cincy for Palmer in 2012):
1st rounders:
2011 – Nate Solder, T
2010 – Mike Iupati, G
2009 – Josh Freeman, QB
2008 – Gosder Cherilus, T
2007 – Jarvis Moss, DE
2006 – Chad Greenway, LB
2005 – David Pollack, LB
2004 – DJ Williams, LB
2003 – Bryant Johnson, WR
2002 – Phillip Buchanon, CB
2nd rounders:
2011 – Ben Ijalana, T
2010 – Taylor Mays, S
2009 – Max Unger, OL
2008 – DeSean Jackson, WR
2007 – Kenny Irons, RB
2006 – Kellen Clemens, QB
2005 – Marcus Johnson, G
2004 – Keiwan Ratliff, CB
2003 – Eddie Moore, LB
2002 – Levar Fisher, LB
How many of those players would you pass on Carson Palmer for? Tell me, please. I’d love to know. I would have to say ZERO.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Yep, its the most insane un-explainable thing I’ve ever seen from a DC.
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Morilla Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
McClain was also on V. Jackson against the Chargers. Not to mention Houston and Wimbley on Gates.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
“789. Incorrect as usual.”
It happens here all day long….kind of like the incoherent ramblings of senile old man that never makes any sense.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
HueJax and Carson are this decades version of
Gannon and Gruden
Took Gruden 3 years.
HueJax will take 2 years.
Best thing to happen to the Nation in a very long time.
7 years of 11 losses or more have most of you assuming it will always be bad.
It’s ok, when Hue wins the the west next year, we will welcome you with open arms.
One Nation, all for 1!!!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
I’m out. Going to focus on the rest of this Mavs game and hope they continue crawling back to respectability.
Good night all you Ralphs.
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January 4th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Barksdale, taiwan are not worth a solid starter.
You have to draft well in order to get the great players in their prime.
Teams that trade top picks for 30 something vets and fringe bust players tend to not sustain a damn thing.
You aren’t trading for the calvin johnson, aaron rogers, mario williams and derrell revis’. Unless you want those guys on the downside, so they give you flashes as they meander towards retirement
Aaron rogers, matt stafford, joe flacco and Big Ben will qb their teams at a high level for another 10+ yrs.
Raiders, like the cardinals will lurch from qb to qb.
How many yrs carson got in him?
January 4th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
“Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Listen, it’s not just the Tampa 2.
The 3-4 Zone Blitz used by LeBeau in Pittsburgh and every “modern” defense asks DL and LB’s to drop back and cover an area of the field sometimes.
It’s supposed to throw off the QB because he doesn’t know who will be rushing or who will be dropping.
It’s an effective tactic, that’s why every team has it on it’s playbook, but you must get to the QB fast… otherwise the WR, TE or RB is gonna obviously get open.
But it’s supposed to eliminate the dump-off or quick read from the QB as he feels the pressure, he sees a receiver but he also sees an opponent jersey on the area blocking the path for his throw….but if the QB is not presured or scrambles, that receiver is gonna outrun the DL-LB.”
Great post Bob!!
I was just trying to explain that one instance where 55 was on Megatron but for someone to outright say that a LB would never be in coverage is ignorant.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Chris in NY:
Exactly what I’ve been talking about Homie! I’d make that trade agin and 2x on Sunday!!
January 4th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Dropping into coverage is 1 thing and very common but having a mlb cover a WR in the red zone or deep down the field is insanity and no other DC in any scheme is doing that unless they are looking to be unemployed.
The end
January 4th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Draft shmaft…. There is no guarantee first rounders pan out at all. So sick of hearing about first round picks. Big deal.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
ALAMEDA — It’s all quiet on the Raiders front, as the day came and went at the Raiders’ practice facility.
Despite several published reports, there were no signs of any GM candidates in the house to interview for the Raiders’ vacant GM position.
That includes former Oakland linebacker Reggie McKenzie, who is currently the Green Bay Packers director of football operations.
I saw several cars come and go through the restricted access fence, including CEO Amy Trask and head coach Hue Jackson, but there was no sign of owner Mark Davis, whom I assume would need to be there for the interview process to take place.
In conversations with several Raiders employees who spoke off the record, the Raiders hope to fill their GM spot as soon as possible in order to move forward with player personnel decisions in a timely manner, and that includes preparations for the upcoming NFL Draft in April.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Jackson said… “That’s what’s so disappointing. We were about to get totally healthy at the right time.”
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Just got a chance to read through some of this. You have to wonder if Jackson hadn’t noticed the lack of “health” on the defensive side.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
I’d actually bring in Chad Henne as a backup QB for next year. Prototype QB size. Pretty good arm. Career 60% passer. Only 26 years old. Has looked pretty good at times, IMO.
I think he could benefit from a change of scenery and watching from the sidelines and developing under Hue and Carson for a couple of years. Much better than Boller. Pryor would be our No. 3 project QB with upside who could potentially earn the No. 2 spot or convert or contribute in some other position.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
mlb covering megatron
de/dt covering gates
any one else not know why we didn’t make the playoffs
that was not the player’s fault; that was the coaches putting players in situations they are not capable of; that’s coaching/coordinating
January 4th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Henne- NO!
Flynn baby!
January 4th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
SnB
Raiders, like the cardinals will lurch from qb to qb.
How many yrs carson got in him?.
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Considering Carson Palmer just turned 32…I’d say he’ll remain an high level QB for at least the next 2 seasons, possibly more.
Drew Brees will be 33 in a few days, I suppose you wouldn’t be interested in acquiring him…
Manning was All-Pro last year at 35, Brady this year at 34.
Plus, we have a talented young QB to develop in Terrelle Pryor so once Palmer is gone, he should be ready for his shot.
January 4th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Dropping into coverage is 1 thing and very common but having a mlb cover a WR in the red zone or deep down the field is insanity and no other DC in any scheme is doing that unless they are looking to be unemployed.
The end
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You are correct sir!
January 4th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Henne- NO!
Flynn baby!
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I hear you, but contrary to popular opinion on this blog, Matt Flynn is going to be the No. 1 free agent QB this off-season, not Jason Campbell. Campbell is probably No. 2. Flynn will get starter money and a starting job. That’s not happening here.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Yeah, I would say Palmer has a minimum of three prime years left and possibly as many as six.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
The one thing I do worry about with Palmer is his lack of mobility and tendency to throw deep and hang onto the ball as long as he can to keep plays alive could leave him open to some punishing hits. It’s important to have a legit backup next year. Can’t be in another situation like this year.
Anyone know how long Cincy has Bruce Almighty locked up for?
January 4th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Chris
“Flynn will get starter money and a starting job. That’s not happening here”.
You know…
If McKenzie is hired and he decides to let Hue go, he might as well cut Palmer and more high priced vets and bring Matt Flynn along to tie his future to his own QB rather than Hue’s.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
You know Matt Flynn used to be JaMarcus Ruseell’s backup at LSU … wouldn’t that be something if he came here and did what Russell was supposed to do?.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Chris
“Flynn will get starter money and a starting job. That’s not happening here”.
You know…
If McKenzie is hired and he decides to let Hue go, he might as well cut Palmer and more high priced vets and bring Matt Flynn along to tie his future to his own QB rather than Hue’s.
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That would be a disaster, IMO.
Not only would I be super-pissed if we were to fire Hue, but for all we know Flynn is Kevin Kolb 2.0. Kolb had some equally nice games in spot duty for the Eagles.
There is absolutely no reason for McKenzie to come in here and blow up this roster and get rid of Hue. Could set us back 10 years.
This is not a typical new GM situation where the GM is coming in to take over a bottom of the barrel team or a team on the decline. This is a team on the ascension and the only reason we’re looking for a GM is because the last one passed away.
ABSOLUTELY NO REASON TO START OVER WITH A NEW COACH AND/OR QUARTERBACK. If that’s the way McKenzie wants to go I’d want no part of him.
Of course, it’s important to remember, we’re all just speculating and there’s no evidence that’s what McKenzie intends to do if he gets the job.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
817.Bob Marley Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Chris
“Flynn will get starter money and a starting job. That’s not happening here”.
You know…
If McKenzie is hired and he decides to let Hue go, he might as well cut Palmer and more high priced vets and bring Matt Flynn along to tie his future to his own QB rather than Hue’s.
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It’s all in how you look at it. Cut Palmer, pay Flynn; it’s the same as trading the two picks for Flynn instead.
It just depends on how you feel about Flynn. If you think he’s worth the extra money (including what you’d still owe Palmer) and can make the numbers work it’s absolutely possible.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Chris
Didn’t mean to get you all riled up man … lol.
I’m with you on the Hue Jackson stuff man, I’ve clearly stated that I want both McKenzie and Hue here next season, obviously Palmer too.
Just saying Flynn would be a possibility if McKenzie comes here.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I’m out, see you people tomorrow
Don’t forget, McKenzie upstairs, Hue HC and Trgovac DC.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
797 I’d take josh freeman and desean Jackson over Carson Palmer but hey that’s just me. One is a young qb who has had a year where he looked like a franchise qb and can learn from his mistakes plus you’ll have him for for years as opposed to Carson who hasn’t had a franchise qb type season in about 5 years and is on the wrong side of 30. And desean Jackson who is a top flight deep threat at wr. So yes I would take 2 young playmakers who we would have for years over Carson Palmer. But it’s too late to debate now the trade is done
January 4th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Matt Flynn has played significant time in three games in his career. He’s played extremely well in two of them. Not so good in the other one.
I think he’s looked really sharp and if I had no good QB on my roster and no shot at one of the top prospects in this year’s draft I’d definitely be aggressive in going after him. Some team will definitely go that route. But he’s not Carson Palmer and there’s no way I jettison Carson Palmer for Matt Flynn.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
813. Always have to question a brand new poster who agrees with El Sh*tbaggo.
“You are correct sir!”
Riiiiight…
January 4th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
803. Remember that fire zone blitz earlier this year when Shaughnessy dropped into coverage and made that pick?
January 4th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
All of the same people who think Hue deserve another chance also thought Kiffin got a raw deal.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I agree with Chris in NY, no reason to take a gamble on Flynn when this team is already close enough with a known quantity like Palmer. Revamp that D and turn it around ala the Texans.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Has shmucky B been fired yet?
January 4th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
18yearsold18yearfan Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
797 I’d take josh freeman and desean Jackson over Carson Palmer but hey that’s just me. One is a young qb who has had a year where he looked like a franchise qb and can learn from his mistakes plus you’ll have him for for years as opposed to Carson who hasn’t had a franchise qb type season in about 5 years and is on the wrong side of 30. And desean Jackson who is a top flight deep threat at wr. So yes I would take 2 young playmakers who we would have for years over Carson Palmer. But it’s too late to debate now the trade is done
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That’s fair. Freeman + Jackson would be an attractive option despite Jackson’s attitude problem and Freeman’s down year.
However, you don’t know you’re getting those guys when you draft. The teams that selected the other 18 players — many of them solid players, many of them not — thought they were getting the best guy available.
So the odds of getting a Freeman-Jackson caliber combo from that list there are 1/10 x 1/10 = 1/100. So 1%. Another more accurate way to look at it is pairing the 1st rounder with the following 2nd rounder. So you’re looking at:
- Nate Solder, T + ?????
- Mike Iupati, G + Ben Ijalana, T
- Josh Freeman, QB + Taylor Mays, S
- Gosder Cherilus, T + Max Unger, OL
- Jarvis Moss, DE + DeSean Jackson, WR
- Chad Greenway, LB + Kenny Irons, RB
- David Pollack, LB + Kellen Clemens, QB
- DJ Williams, LB + Marcus Johnson, G
- Bryant Johnson, WR + Keiwan Ratliff, CB
- Phillip Buchanon, CB + Eddie Moore, LB
- ????? + Levar Fisher, LB
Now, which of those combinations is worth a franchise QB like Carson Palmer?
January 4th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Dumb prick if you know me then you know I dont care what people think of me or if they agree with me. I dont have alias’s.
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GoodOle00 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
813. Always have to question a brand new poster who agrees with El Sh*tbaggo.
“You are correct sir!”
Riiiiight…
January 4th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
damm been working all day but as soon as i saw the headline i spit my soda out!!! what a freakin’ joke this guy is…”uh yeah coach i feel good to play…what? ehats that? No more games? Where’s my check?” sick of these damm prima donnas…jones too
January 4th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
As painful as it is right now that our defense choked away our chance at the AFC West and we didn’t make it, I hope when the “experts” analyze the season they’ll recognize some of the good things we did.
Nobody is talking about the impact of losing the #1 rusher in the league(at the time he went down). A gamebreaker. Also, the impact of losing your GM and integral (love him or hate him) part of the org. and the distraction that caused.
Those two things alone would cause any team to have a tough go of it. And to still finish 8-8?
I’m still incensed at Chucks D for blowing it, but as time goes by and we have a chance to reflect on all the obstacles and still end up w/o a losing season, maybe things will look a little better.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
TIME FOR A LITTLE HUMOR
THE MOST INTERESTING MAN IN THE WORLD
USED IN TV COMMERCIALS
• If he were to pat you on the back, you would list it on your resume.
• Both sides of his pillow are cool.
• When in Rome, they do as he does.
• His words carry weight that would break a less interesting mans jaw.
• He’s won trophies for his game face alone.
• He bowls… Overhand.
• He is the life of parties he has never attended
• If he were to punch you in the face, you’d have to fight off the urge to thank him..
• Police often question him, just because they find him interesting.
• His beard alone has experienced more than a lesser mans body.
• His blood smells like cologne.
• He has amassed an amazingly large DVD collection, and has never once alphabetized it.
• If he were to mail a letter without postage, it would still get there.
• The pheromones he secretes effect people miles away… in a slight, but measurable way.
• He once punched a magician. That’s right, you heard me.
• He almost broke the land speed record in 1977, popular opinion among his team was that his beard caused too much wind resistance. He would have shaved it… No, no he wouldn’t.
• His personality is so magnetic, he is unable to carry credit cards.
• Even his enemy’s list him as there emergency contact.
• He never says anything taste like chicken… Not even chicken.
• He speaks fluent French, in Russian.
• His charm is so contagious, vaccines we’re created for it.
• Years ago, he created a city out of blocks. Today over 600,000 people live and work there.
• He is the only person to ever ace a Rorschach Test.
• Every time he goes for a swim dolphins appear.
• Alien abductors have asked him to probe them.
• If he we’re to give you directions… You would never get lost. And you’d arrive at least 5 minutes early.
• His legend precedes him, the way lightning precedes thunder.
• His reputation is expanding, faster then the universe.
• He once had an awkward moment, just to see how it feels.
• He lives vicariously through himself.
• He’s been known to cure narcolepsy just by walking into a room.
• He’s a lover… Not a fighter, but he’s also a fighter, so don’t get any ideas.
• He once visited a Psychic…to warn her.
• He once taught a German shepherd how to bark in Russian
• People hang on his every word, even the prepositions
• Chihuahuas have never barked at him, he is just that intimidating.
• When he goes for a swim he doesn’t get wet, the water gets him.
• He never saves for a rainy day
• He takes his salad dressing right on the salad, so there is no going back
• He wouldn’t be afraid to show his feminine side, if he had one.
• His mother has a tattoo that reads “Son”
• At museums, he’s allowed to touch the art.
• Twitter allows him to use as many characters as he wants…..but he never takes more than he needs.
• He could disarm you with his looks, or his hands. Either way.
• He once challenged his own reflection to a staring contest. On the fourth day, he won.
• Find out what it is in life that you don’t do well and then, don’t do that thing.
• Guys, leave the tight pants to the ladies. If I can count the coins in your pocket, use them to call a tailor.
• The after-party is the one you want to attend.
• On self defense….”How I look should suffice”
• It’s never too early to start beefing up your obituary.
• On rollerblading………..”No”
ADDITIONS BY ANONYMOUS CONTRIBUTORS
• He once ran a marathon backwards, just to see what second place looked like.
• He has won the lifetime achievement award…twice.
• His parents were named after him
• He once travelled to and explored the Virgin Islands, when he left they were just “The Islands.”
• He once brought a knife to a gunfight, just to even the odds.
• He can speak braille
• If he slept with your girlfriend…you would brag to your buddies
• He was once pulled over for speeding, but he let the officer go with just a warning…
• He once sent $2000 to a Nigerian scammer, and actually received his $2.7 million inheritance.
• As a child, when asked by a teacher, “What would you like to be when you grow up”? He Answered, “Myself”.
• He is always on time… Yet somehow arrives fashionably late.
• Once, the eye of a passing hurricane winked at him.
• He has crossed the point of no return – on several occasions.
• A movie about his life cannot be completed, no one wants it to end.
He once started a fire, using dental floss and water.
If at first he does not succeed, then it is impossible.
• The president once took a bullet for him
• The Loch Ness Monster thinks he is a myth.
• His to-do list says, “Done.”
• It is rumored that when Edmund Hilary reached the summit of Mount Everest, he was waiting with a thermos of hot coffee.
• He found a needle in a haystack, blindfolded
• When he looks into the mirror, his reflection gives him a thumbs up.
• When he disagrees with you, it is because you are wrong
• He once asked a woman to say ‘NO’ to him, so he could understand rejection but she refused.
• HE KNOW’S VICTORIA’S SECRET.
• Babe Ruth was pointing at him
• He counts his chickens before they hatch…and they always hatch.
• He has proof that the Bermuda triangle is actually a parallelogram.
• He was on the cover of his High School Year book.
• When Google can’t find it… they call him
• He jumped for joy and got it
• Santa Claus sits on HIS lap
• He has his moments…all the time.
• He can divide by zero
• Disaster fell in love with him, because he is always flirting with it
• Atlas would drop the world for a chance to shake his hand.
January 4th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Thanks for rubbing salt in the wound, Corkran! Will another team from Oakland make the playoffs before all 3 teams move out?
January 4th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
I know this. If the Vikings had lost Peterson in week 6 for the season and their GM had passed away, AND their starting QB went down, and yet they finished 8-8? The “experts” would be talking about how Minn. will be challenging for the Super Bowl next year.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
has hue been fired yet? he can take dwack with him….
January 4th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
It will be disgusting beyond words to watch Tebow in a playoff game!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
836. We need help on the defense side of the ball before we can even dream of Super Bowl. Let’s hope our new GM sees the light.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
My problem is the way this team finished the season. Didn’t sit right with me at all.
Complete team implosions against Miami and Green Bay….offense was non-existant in the K.C game and was ineffective in the 2nd half of the Detroit game….San Diego was another lousy effort.
Why does THIS team look so much worse at the end of the season like that?
If Hue had gone 9-7, he would be the pseudo GM and have job security and a new contract.
But the fact that this team laid turd after turd after turd after turd at the end…with the penalities and the trade…with the AFC West on its collective back…..guarantees that Hue’s status be in limbo.
And rightfully so.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
T. Sizzle – Denver didn’t win the West, Oakland lost it.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
What’s up Nation?!
Looks like Herrera neither denied nor confirmed that McKenzie was in Alameda today! ANd now Ron Wolf is denying that he is helping Mark and Amy in any capacity…which isn’t anything new…he has done that before!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Dude: Our Defense sucked balls, that’s why we regressed, period.
Without Hue we would still be looking to win in our division.
Remember when we lost 11 games or more 7 years in a row?
Remember when we could never win aDivision game?
Remember when SD beat us 13x in a row?
Hue changed all that. Al’s pathetic Defense gave up 433 points!! 2nd most ever in franchise history!!
Hue is NOT the problem, he is a BIG part of the solution!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
840. If Mark Davis likes Hue (and I assume he does), he will ask the new GM to give Hue another season, at least. That is my perception of the situation. Reggie McKenzie sounds like Ron Wolf’s advice, and it would be hard to pass up that advice by the man who was GM under 3 Super Bowl victories in 8 seasons.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
Trade put us in position to win the West:Thanks Hue!!
Penalties have ALWAYS been a “culture” issue: Thanks AL!
In HUE we trust!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
i dont trust hue at all….
January 4th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Re: The List
Does GM mean I have to take anybody or can I limit the GM to just a couple of folks?
January 4th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
FireHue:
Why not? I mean we are 9-3 since Hue has taken over the offense in our division?
He did deal with a lot of crap for a rookie HC?
He mishandled McClain, mismanaged some play clock. Small stuff.
Hue will be fine.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Denver, San Diego and KC were about as bad as they are ever going to be this year.
I don’t think Hue is head coach material.
All he proved this year is that he is a competent OC.
But even this offense looked somewhat stale down the stretch…and was certainly non-existant in the Miami, GB and KC games.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Who knew what Hue would have to go through.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Are you kidding? We have seen the best that Tebow will ever have to offer. He cant throw a friggin spiral. The dude will never have a better season than the one he just played.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
And another thing on Palmer, he did not falter as the season wore on as evidenced by him having the 3rd highest passing yards game in Raider history the last game-417 yards with a clutch laser to Boss to get the Raiders close.
Not Palmers fault those turds on defense couldn’t man up with everything on the line and give him one last shot.
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awesome!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
580.Seymour Bush Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
alex7 Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
when a coach THINKS he can game-plan against a unit, but has no experience,
you get Tom Cable’s 2009 offense.
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The 09 Raider offense was Russell, Fargas, Higgins, Schilens, Mario Henderson, Luke Lawton, Cornell Green. Two years later how many of those guys are still in the league?
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Chaz Shilens, far and away our best receiver who was going off in training camp, got hurt after playing one preseason game. Murphy and DHB started as rookies. The rest is pretty accurate. Poor Jamarcus.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
842.hwnrdr Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
What’s up Nation?!
Looks like Herrera neither denied nor confirmed that McKenzie was in Alameda today! ANd now Ron Wolf is denying that he is helping Mark and Amy in any capacity…which isn’t anything new…he has done that before!
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May I ask where you are seeing this?
January 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
So what did Hue do to demonstrate that he is a good head coach…read total team manager?
The team didn’t play all that tough…didn’t look like it ever had a sense of urgency….
The offense was decent less the 4th down tries….
I don’t know. I think if this is looked at with fresh set of eyes and time to do the due-diligence that Hue makes it given the end of the season….lotta bad tape out there
January 4th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
D was all ass. Flat stank ass.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
851.Just Win Baby Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Are you kidding? We have seen the best that Tebow will ever have to offer. He cant throw a friggin spiral. The dude will never have a better season than the one he just played.
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Cross poster alert!!! Wasn’t JFB telling everyone weeks ago Tebow was just going to keep getting better? LOL!!!
January 4th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Just Win,
Tim Tebow will get a little better by default. A result of a full training camp. To assume otherwise would be foolish. Tebow will never be a good passer, but he’s not really a QB anyway. He’s the ultimate Wildcat QB with just enough arm strength / accuracy to be dangerous.
Its not Tebow I am worried about, although this raggedy defense couldn’t stop him, its Denver’s defense with John Fox and another draft.
KCs defense with Crennel and a strong running game
Rivers and his receivers/TE are always a threat.
So how does Hue transition to being a head coach….how does he get smart with the defense he supposedly could do nothing with?
January 4th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Schillens did not finish the year strong. Murph made a splash. DHB is a keeper. Not sure about Housh. Moore is going to be around for a long time.
How about we trade Schillens and Murph and sign D. Bowe and V. Jackson. Both are free agents.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
When Oakland beat the ass off SD on Thursday Night I thought this was the making of SPECIAL. D-Mo was the schit, Bush was rockin, D was, well somewhat legit. None the less, it was fcking sweet. Fck yeah.
But then we schit the bed, big time. We did not lose with a struggle, we lost with no fckin effort put forth. Messed up brutal. 1-4 ugly all the way down to the finish line. Butt ass ugly.
What the fck happened??????????
January 4th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Sterling Moore just named AFC “Rookie of the Week” for his TWO ints. w/ one returned for a td.
Wonder if we could’ve used him last Sunday.
In other news:
Derek Hagan had a nice game against NE.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
“He (DMc) was going to be out there practicing with us this Wednesday.” That’s the word from coach Hue Jackson, anyway.
Whateva main. That hypothetical retrospective hyped up hopeful bull$#*+ over “shoulda, coulda, woulda & what if” right now means what really?
Real talk = DMc is closer to being healthy for 2012.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
S&B
One thing that people often overlook is the fact that McLain did not play in the game against Tebow. If he had the outcome may have been different because he has had success against Tebow in the past back in the SEC. He knows how to play tagainst that offense. Bag on him if you must, and much of it’s deserved, but he’s actually better than most people think. McLain that is.
January 4th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Raider J Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
“He (DMc) was going to be out there practicing with us this Wednesday.” That’s the word from coach Hue Jackson, anyway.
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what the fck he even say that for, that just opened up a can of schit. Dmac be out there wednesday, I feel so much better knowing that after watching the defense royally fck us outta any fckn post season. oh i’m so effen thrilled i just pissed myself. BFD
January 5th, 2012 at 2:38 am
693. Young American,
Voice of reason man. Good job
January 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am
WTF ?!?!?!
Mcfadden is out for 6+ WEEKS, he could not play 4 days ago for the most IMPORTANT GAME of the season, but TODAY he is ready?????
What healed in the last 4 days that DID NOT heal for the past 6 weeks?
Someone is full of SH*T…I smell hue…
January 5th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
i swear .. to god.. steve f`in corkan,, if u ever , in your life , post sum b.s. like this again,, im going to drive to california from memphis tenn and systematically tear apart your d.n.a.. this isnt a threat its a total factual promise !!!!!!!!!!!!!
mcfadden woulda practiced today ? i hate u now corkan .
January 6th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
“As it turns out, he would have practiced today for the first time since Oct. 23 if the Raiders would have made the playoffs.”
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“If” and “should’a, would’a, could’a” ain’t enough to buy toilet water in Calexico.
Time to cut bait with DMAC.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
arj Says:
January 5th, 2012 at 8:57 am
WTF ?!?!?!
Mcfadden is out for 6+ WEEKS, he could not play 4 days ago for the most IMPORTANT GAME of the season, but TODAY he is ready?????
What healed in the last 4 days that DID NOT heal for the past 6 weeks?
Someone is full of SH*T…I smell hue…
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DMAC it’s time to go.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Al D. Davis Says:
January 4th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Lying sack of crap Hue Jackson needs an ax handle across the face. It’s great news DMAC is now healthy because he can be traded for several draft picks since he has some value. DMAC is useless to the Raiders: he can run right through the lowest tier teams, no problem, but upper tier teams completely shut him down just like they shut Michael Bush down the last 4 games of this season. Also he hasn’t completed more than half of any season due to serial foot problems so that in 4 yrs with the Raiders his value was zero.
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He played 13 games last year, my math isn’t awesome, but I’m pretty sure 13 is more than half of 16. Moron.
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Nintendo football games played on the couch don’t count. I’d love a ‘list’ of the 13 games DMAC played in.