No Raiders on All-Pro team
By Steve Corkran
Friday, January 6th, 2012 at 3:33 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Six Raiders received votes for the All-Pro team. However, none received enough votes to merit inclusion on the prestigious All-Pro team, as voted upon by the Associated Press.
Kicker Sebastian Janikowski finished runner-up to the 49ers David Akers. Raiders punter Shane Lechler finished a distant second to the 49ers’ Andy Lee.
Strong safety Tyvon Branch, defensive tackle Richard Seymour, left offensive tackle Jared Veldheer and fullback Marcel Reece also received at least one vote of a possible 50 at each position.
By comparison, the 49ers placed a league-high five players on the All-Pro team, including linebackers Patrick Willis and NaVorro Bowman and defensive tackle Justin Smith.
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January 6th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
BULL CHIT!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
What about Gio! lol
January 6th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Reece was out too long, Seymour disappeared for the length of a bible, J Kow and Lech get dissed for being Raiders, Veldheer had 10 penalties and Branch deserves to go but had hand surgery yesterday
January 6th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
no need to debate which qb is better, i hope that mackenzie trades palmer but i dont expect that to happen.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Ha ha ha Jonnie Lee Higgiyyyyy working out for the Cheatriots.!
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Raccoon,
the Pats must have a burning desire to win.
who knew?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
No way.
Giordano was robbed.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I did not see Condo on that list?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Sullivan sold me.
Ed Reed = Gio
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Jano and Shane are WAY better then the whiner pansies!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Ron Wolf’s philosophy finally returns to the Raiders through one of his proteges. What a breath of fresh air. It’s been a horrendous 20 years without you, Ron.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Lechler and Jano wuz robbed. Playoffs would’ve gotten them more consideration.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
R Seymour not on there huh?
Go figure..
January 6th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
This blog needs a GM!
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Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Hue Jackson
January 6th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
MistaBrown Says:
I hope Mitt does that to 0bama.
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Hope is all you have with that. See you at the re-inauguration next January.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Second Vittorio Tafur twitter quote of the day: “HueJax and McKenzie have the same agent.”
Still think Hue gets fired?
I don’t.
For the record, the first was: “I believe Davis and Trask firmly behind Hue. A lot happened this year and Hue gets another season to make good on promises.”
P.S. MR, don’t make me post Ron Wolf quotes at you again.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Sullivan = Ricochet, RMR, Method and million other stupid troll tags. I’m all for a ban on this aholes IP adresses
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
01/10/12 = Super Tuesday !!!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
What a soul searching time this must be for Al’s leftover sacred cows. Trask will land on her feet with her background. Herrera? Hope he took some kind of vocational course somewhere along the line. If not, I’ll take plastic bags, “John John”…be careful with my eggs.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I’m not into the whole Bay Area rivalry between Raiders and Niners because I don’t live in the area.
However, anyone who did not vote for Lechler as the best punter in the NFL this season should have their credentials revoked.
When are they going to stop letting sports writers vote for sports awards? Most of them went to journalism school in college and got beat up in high school.
I get tired of seeing the dumbest sh!t come out of these awards because the sports writers f’k it all up.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
This blog needs a GM!
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Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Hue Jackson
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Rockstar stop hating on Hue, that is a low blow!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
repost
JCampbell rarely, if ever, stepped up into a collapsing pocket and fired a bullet like CPalmer does with regularity. It’s part of what makes JCampbell so MADDENing to watch sometimes…not letting the ball go on time was just another part, and they’re interconnected.
JCampbell’s pocket presence is nowhere near as keen as Palmer’s. I like Campbell a ton, but objective eyes can see which QB has more talent, and who puts it to good use more regularly.
In 2012, CPalmer throws for 3,700+ Yds with 27+ TD’s & no more than 13 Int’s.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
How disappointing will it be for MR when none of Al Davis’ lackeys leave as a result of this hiring. He’ll have to hug his Chuckey doll extra tight.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Wasbanned Says:
However, anyone who did not vote for Lechler as the best punter in the NFL this season should have their credentials revoked.
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It was that fake play where he overthrew Rock Cartwright that killed his chances.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Romney’s already toast, MB. He flip flopped on health care, and prez is going to shove that up his arse the entire campaign. That’s why your party is trying so hard to covet the anti-Romney. Cain, Gingrich, who’s the flavor of the month now?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Al davis must have left a “to do list” for his son mark!!… open letter when I die”… letter reads… ” hire Reggie Mackenzie “… 5 days after the end of the season… mark fullfills the wishes of his great father!!! .. fcuck all those people who can’t help but to take their last dig at al Davis. .. you know who you are?? Scumbags. .
January 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Herrera is not going anywhere whats not to like about him.
He wanted to do what every one of us here would do if we could…punch that cheesy douche Tim Kawakami in the face.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Today is one of the greatest days in the history of the Oakland Raiders. This is like the Soviet Union and the Berlin Wall collapsing.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
It will be interesting to see which of the old guard Raiders fixtures on this team will be sent packing first. I’m hoping it’s Routt, Kelly, Huff (the new cb – what a joke).
January 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Paul will probably drop out after Carolina. Keep your tv’s on, folks. It’s gonna be good. Those weirdos are going to go nuts.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Davy Jones Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
How disappointing will it be for MR when none of Al Davis’ lackeys leave as a result of this hiring. He’ll have to hug his Chuckey doll extra tight
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It doesn;’t matter. RMR has already proven like the hacks at FAUX news, they don’;t need Davis to hate.
Hue is “Next man up!”
January 6th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Al Davis won his last Super Bowl in 1983…with the help of Ron Wolf.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
“GoodOle00 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Sullivan = Ricochet, RMR, Method and million other stupid troll tags. I’m all for a ban on this aholes IP adresses”
I think everyone here would agree with you 100%
Now lets pass that around for signatures right away!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
repost
JCampbell rarely, if ever, stepped up into a collapsing pocket and fired a bullet like CPalmer does with regularity. It’s part of what makes JCampbell so MADDENing to watch sometimes…not letting the ball go on time was just another part, and they’re interconnected.
JCampbell’s pocket presence is nowhere near as keen as Palmer’s. I like Campbell a ton, but objective eyes can see which QB has more talent, and who puts it to good use more regularly.
In 2012, CPalmer throws for 3,700+ Yds with 27+ TD’s & no more than 13 Int’s.
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useless post
anybody that didnt see jc making all kinds of throws with defenders breathing down his neck or after dodging would be tacklers is just a hater. he made every throw he needed to make and had us in first place at 4-2 and he protected the ball.
Everyone has their favorite by why make stuff up?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
stop hating on Hue, that is a low blow!
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@Dutch
so is flopping against the friggin Chargers in WK17 with the playoffs on the line!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Herrera looked more scared that Kawakami. Herrera’s a wannabe tough guy. Never confront someone, then start crapping your pants, even when they’re backing down! lmfao.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
The saddest thing about the Raider collapse against San Diego is that they may have actually had a chance at beating the Steelers with all their injuries.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
487.edward teach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:31 am
479.Carl Weathers Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:28 am
I was just lookin up Reggies history and found that while he was at the U of Tennessee, Al Saunders was the OC for a year or two.
I’d be down with Saunders sticking around, could be the OC.
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Saunders would be great. It’s basically his offense anyway, he’s already the OC and he’s been around forever. Calling plays from the booth wouldn’t be a stretch at all for him.
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I really like this ET.
There doesn’t seem much wrong with the playbook. It’s just that Hue-as a new coach-calls some plays where you just want to throw your beer at the tv.
Let Sanders call the plays from the booth and let Hue just concentrate on managing the game.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
mackenzi get us a second round pick and trade the turn over prone palmer, we need a solid pick to rebuild our team
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Hilarious. The last time my haters made a big push to get me banned, some of their names started disappearing. They were the ones commenting under several names and breaking the rules. My profile, ip checked out.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
You must hate this country to want 4 more years of a incompetent socialist/marxist buffoon, get help dude.
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RaidingTexas Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Hope is all you have with that. See you at the re-inauguration next January.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
24.Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Romney’s already toast, MB. He flip flopped on health care, and prez is going to shove that up his arse the entire campaign. That’s why your party is trying so hard to covet the anti-Romney. Cain, Gingrich, who’s the flavor of the month now?
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MR, take your politics and shove it up your azz.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
MR/Sully,
how does it feel to be the “John Herrera” or “Hue Jackson” of this blog?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Cut Trevor Scott and get a guy that can either play DE or LB. Enough of these tweeners that can’t play either position!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Ron Wolf’s philosophy finally returns to the Raiders through one of his proteges. What a breath of fresh air. It’s been a horrendous 20 years without you, Ron.
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As usual MR you phrase it the way you your little delusional mind thinks, better yet Davis drafted Mckenzie, as he mentored Wolf and learned the Raider way as a LB then moved on to GB as a exec and learned from Wolfe who was taught by Davis. So I can play factual games like you, little man with many handles.
Technically GB should be thanking us for their SB victory due to Davis teaching Wolfe how to build a team, right MR.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
I’m happy McKenzie will be here soon enough… hue is not guaranteed a job either… if he doesn’t fall in line. .it might be curtains for him as well… I would give him a 70% chance of staying for atleast one more season… I hope Steve wisniewski stays as oline coach.. he was great!!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
MR,
Come back in as Alberta, or Alex7, or realist dirty racoon, sully is soiled goods.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
It’s too bad Kawakami didn’t just get in Herrera’s face and stand up to him, because Herrera was scared. He’s visibly shaking as he talks. Would have been great if Kawakami just jumped in his face and Herrera walked off all red. Hugest fail ever. Instead it looked like a puzzy fight.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Ha ha. That’s why several articles today said Wolf drafted McKenzie.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
MR= Herrerra>>>>>>>>>>>>>Low down idiot
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
stop hating on Hue, that is a low blow!
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@Dutch
so is flopping against the friggin Chargers in WK17 with the playoffs on the line!
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True, but that is the worst possible thing someone can say about another person on this blog!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Good post Raider dell.. don’t bother with that fool… he’ll never Give credit to davis… he’s an idiot!!
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January 6th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Raider O Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
We will win the west next year!!!!!
Go Raiders!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
MR/Sully,
how does it to be the “John Herrera” or “Hue Jackson” of this blog?
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MR is more like the Al Davis of the blog. He has a brilliant mind, the blog revolves around him, and he has haters and admirers. He doesn’t give a f*ck what any of his detractors think. Sounds like Al to me.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Ha ha. That’s why several articles today said Wolf drafted McKenzie.
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Link, please…
January 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Ghost
they share an agent. Come on, man, No one is firing an agent brother.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
MistaBrown Says:
You must hate this country to want 4 more years of a incompetent socialist/marxist buffoon, get help dude.
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Yes, I see Marxism all around me: a stock market anyone can participate in, competitive markets in pretty much every industry, ability to move freely between states, buy whatever I want whenever I want, ability to pursue the type of employment I want. That about sums up Marxism doesn’t it? LMFAO at your AM radio-fueled bullsh!t.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Reggie! I love u man!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
MR new handle= ALbert
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
When McKenzie promotes Herrera. … MR will hopefully soil his shorts…LOL..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I was watching the clippers and rockets and at halftime the camera zoomed in shaq’s gigantic ring. kenny smith said “what kind of ring is that” shaq remarked “its my profession”. It was a masonic ring. he refused to elaborate when pressed on what hi “profession” is.
the host then asked shq f he was a mason and shaq replied “of course” with a very strange look that said why are you asking me this in camera. When the cohost then asked about rituals and secrets, shaq responded with sveral very stern “stop it”.
THEY ARE ALL IN ON IT AND EVERY THING YOU SEE ON TV IS FAKE.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Herrera was not scared you little dweeb, Kawakami threatened to sue him!
Such a douchey little weakling thing to do, threaten to sue if someone hits you.
The person who threatens to sue is the weakling wimping out of a fight!
Herrera would beat that little man within an inch of his pathetic life!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Finance Master,
Loose lips sink ships!!
Leave the cousin molester, Al Blaming, Aunt loving, and attention seeking monkey Alone.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Yeah, MB, we hate the country just enough to prevent Republican from resuming the damage Bush did to it.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Fire that monkey named Chucky!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
silverandblack is related to Herrera?
eeeeew.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Raider O Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Finance Master,
Loose lips sink ships!!
Leave the cousin molester, Al Blaming, Aunt loving, and attention seeking monkey Alone.
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In my office we have an over under on the many names(handles he has) I’m going to be the winner.
I count right now 14.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
KAWAKAMI IS A PURE RAIDER HATER
January 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Mark Davis….your dad would be proud of your actions and decision!!! GREAT SWIFT JOB!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
666, Herrera was shaking. When he was trying to tell Kawakami off, he was shaking and red (scared, overwhelmed, not used to physical confrontation). Herrera just likes to imagine himself as a tough guy, just how you like to imagine yourself as being educated.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Why would McKenzie promote Herrera?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I miss priesttj. Even if I didn’t like what he said 90% of the time he was passionate.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
All I want to do
Is be a Raiders Fan
I gota feeling
I’m not the only man
January 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Alex…
All I know is.. hue can’t possibly be happy about the McKenzie hire… hue said himself he wanted to have a say about who should be the GM. .. well,.. hue should just be happy just to keep his job… because he’s partially responsible for not reaching the playoffs this year.. I like hue.. but he should just shut up and coach for now on..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I found MR’s pciture!
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/315963/
This must be why he got fired from Wendy’s!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Dell, referring to your breakroom at Chili’s as an ‘office’ definitely makes you seem more successful.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Cut Trevor Scott and get a guy that can either play DE or LB. Enough of these tweeners that can’t play either position!
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Scott was extremely ineffective this year. I’d give him next year to try to earn a job again going into the season. He tore up his knee last season, remember, and I don’t think he was near all the way back this year as most players aren’t following an injury like that.
Could look like a completely different player next year and go back to helping as a pass rush specialist/special teamer again.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
SeyGlen666, make sure you log all my typos and dump that into an excel spreadsheet. This will give you and you “office” something to talk about.
lol u dweeb
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Hue wanted a say in who they hired as a GM.
They hired a bud with the same agent.
You think Hue’s pissed? lol
Those agent client circles are tight, always helping each other.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Dell,
Double Trouble
January 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Dell,
LOL
I like it when they start chatting with each other. Priceless!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
“Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
KAWAKAMI IS A PURE RAIDER HATER”
Thank you I agree 100% which is why you cant blame Herrera for wanting to kick his ass!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Where is BHP? Is he banned?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
The Packers are a classy organization, in contention for a Super Bowl. Yet they put the interest of a valued employee first.
I hope the Raiders learn something from this.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
We definitely need to do something about our edge rush. D-line was a bunch of big dudes this year and they did a good job of collapsing the pocket. But there was little consistent pressure off the edge to make the quarterback move off his spot and have to step into the incoming onslaught up the middle.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Dell, referring to your breakroom at Chili’s as an ‘office’ definitely makes you seem more successful.
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Yes, got the response I was waiting for, nailed him again!!!
MR you’re so easy, to pull in, it’s a shame your not in sales, you would be rich. Saying the same thing over and over is your strong point.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Al Davis would have taken two months to hire anyone. Good job Mark and Amy.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Assuming he really is in an office he’s probably that “Raider fan that overdoes it” to his co-workers. I seriously doubt they get in polls with him, or even socialize with him, for that matter.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Al Davis
Bill Walsh: “he was one of the greatest coaches I have ever observed,” that Davis would have been “one of the greatest coaches of all time.”
Ron Wolf: “an exceptional coach-especially in the last two minutes.”
Sid Gilman: “Al thinks he’s the smartest guy in football,” Gillman once said. “He isn’t. But he’s going to be.”
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Sandusky44 or MR
http://www.ebaumsworld.com/pictures/view/315963/
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Dell,
Double Trouble
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JFB
Did you read my email to you yet? Sent from my chili’s breakroom.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Just because our marxist in cheif hasn’t “transformed” us 100% doesn’t mean he isn’t trying. Of course you can travel between states, etc etc. You are a brain dead retard.
Wake your ass up!
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RaidingTexas Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Yes, I see Marxism all around me: a stock market anyone can participate in, competitive markets in pretty much every industry, ability to move freely between states, buy whatever I want whenever I want, ability to pursue the type of employment I want. That about sums up Marxism doesn’t it? LMFAO at your AM radio-fueled bullsh!t.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Dell, referring to your breakroom at Chili’s as an ‘office’ definitely makes you seem more successful.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Dell,
What?!?!
That’s an insult to everyone in Sales including monkeys used in commercials.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Raider O!
Haven’t seen you in awhile on here for some time.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Brownstains you are an illiterate piece of trailer park trash that has never once posted anything of relevance to this Blog as long as you have been here.
In fact each one of us is dumber for have read your fragmented sentences sprinkled with horrible syntax, lack of relative content and it shows your lack of education.
Your feeble attempts at a retort are laughable in fact watching you fumble the English language is like watching MR make love to his cousin “GROSS”
Please do us all a favor and take a basic reading class this Spring so we can somehow decipher your ramblings in the near future.
Now please leave us big boys alone to talk football and you can go back to telling people that electricity was “Invented” by the Italians.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Kawakami… will probably try kissing McKenzies arse from now on…fcuck kawakami… straight up Raider hater…
January 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Dell, why would you bring up your “office” if you weren’t trying to give us the impression that you have a nice, white collar gig? Even if you did (you don’t), what’s the point of telling people on an anonymous blog?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
England,
I was banned, but now I’m back. Happy new year sir.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I remember when good old Brownstains told us all that electricity was “Invented” by the Italians.
I still LMAO at that one!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I don’t agree with MistaBrown’s politics. But, he is funny sometimes.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
71.Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I miss priesttj. Even if I didn’t like what he said 90% of the time he was passionate.
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Priest was fun, but very annoying once he got a tad mad or frustrated.
Very passionate though. Hell, everyone was destined for greatness in his eyes, lol.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
71.Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I miss priesttj. Even if I didn’t like what he said 90% of the time he was passionate.
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I’m not on this all the time Dakota.
What happened to Priest?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
We definitely need to do something about our edge rush. D-line was a bunch of big dudes this year and they did a good job of collapsing the pocket. But there was little consistent pressure off the edge to make the quarterback move off his spot and have to step into the incoming onslaught up the middle.
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I agree and believ this is the biggest reason for the defensive struggles. We really missed shaugnessy, the run defense caved in and the pass rush was very spotty the moment he went down
January 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
He’s just embarrassed.
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Raider O Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Where is BHP? Is he banned?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Dell, why would you bring up your “office” if you weren’t trying to give us the impression that you have a nice, white collar gig? Even if you did (you don’t), what’s the point of telling people on an anonymous blog?
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Kinda like when you bragged about dating a transgender cheerleader? Or did “She” have both sets of parts?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Wonder how many of Als old quirks will be gone now. Closed training camps, etc. McKenzie will likely make the team more fan friendly. That wouldn’t hurt, considering we’re not the most financially solvent team in sports. Al’s ways not only hurt us on the field, they hurt the franchise’s bottom line, too.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I said nothing about the Italians inventing electricity you FK’ng clown.
lol
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Happy new year to you O!
May you sell a thousand camels.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Why Mista? Did he move to Mich?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Raider O Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Dell,
What?!?!
That’s an insult to everyone in Sales including monkeys used in commercials.
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Raider O,
You know what they say about good salesman, all objections are to small only benefits get’s discussed, over and over again.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
“Kawakami… will probably try kissing McKenzies arse from now on…fcuck kawakami… straight up Raider hater…”
That is pretty much what I have been saying in here today, why all the hate for Herrera when all he did was want to punch Kawakami….seems like something all of us here would want to do!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Its pretty obvious mark davis knew what his dads wishes were.. hiring their number one choice for the GM position has al’s finger print all over it… sorry al davis haters!! .. it goes on!!..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
England raider,
I am not sure what happened to him. I assume he was banned, but maybe he is training black Moses for his big comeback?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Dell,
try again in English this time:
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“You know what they say about good salesman, all objections are to small only benefits get’s discussed, over and over again.”
January 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
As far as any of us knows, McKenzie has no problem with Kawakami. Press has a clean slate now.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
“I said nothing about the Italians inventing electricity you FK’ng clown.
lol”
Yes you did we all know your not intelligent enough to know it was discovered instead of invented.
Still one of your funniest posts now I see why Albert thinks you are funny!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Ghost
if hiring McKenzie was Davis’ wish, why didn’t he just do it himself?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Priest in the Nation.
There is no fuk’n way he can be embarrassed.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
He challenged KK Munster to a fight @ the Raider Image on Hegenberger and then KK called his bluff with a broken fibula, and tj backed down.
lmao
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Raider O Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Why Mista? Did he move to Mich?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
lol at bob arum wanting pacman to fight cotto or bradly before mayweather.
If arum was smart he would fight pretty boy now. Pac man is really slowing down and the pac man the fought marquez this last time will get beaten badly by may-weather.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Be nice to see Marcus Allen allowed to attend games again. Stabler, Gannon, some other Raider greats that Al’s mistreated. Gruden will stop by more. Sapp might even make an appearance or too. Hey, maybe McKenzie will let them wear away whites in pre season home games, like every other outdoor team in the league, instead of making his players bake out there in August in black unis?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Vehldeer & Wisniewski both make the all-pro team next season at LT & C respectively.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I think the best feeling with the hire of Mackenzie at GM is this…
No more stupid, crippling contracts to bad players.
No more reaches as draft picks.
No more bad trades.
Guy can’t play he’s cut.
Guy can’t coach he’s canned.
I can live with Mark/Trask/Mackenzie/Hue and a NEW DC.
This is absolutely my last season of dealing with a team that gives up over 400 points in a season. The new ceiling is 320 max.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Dell, why would you bring up your “office” if you weren’t trying to give us the impression that you have a nice, white collar gig? Even if you did (you don’t), what’s the point of telling people on an anonymous blog?
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You taught me that MR, the part about being anonymous. No one will know of me or see me, so I can say what I want.
Like you, with your 14-17 different names in here, are you relevant. Are you afraid to have one handle, probably so your on this blog, 24/7 and it is quite amusing when you comment to one of your handles and you reply back with complimentary things about yourself, now that’s delusional, and very sad about your life, sorry for you.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
open training camps will be extra cool. that was one of the dumbest Davis traditions out of all of them, closed camps. Al and his “spies” lmfao. Yeah, Al. they want to know how you’re going to use those secret weapons like Kerry Collins and Aaron Brooks.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
I asked some poster who invented electricity. I should have said discovered. However I made no mention of Italians I think that was JFB that chimed in with “Italians”.
SeyGlen666, lying and putting words where they dont belong is one of your traits you carry from alias to alias.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
“I said nothing about the Italians inventing electricity you FK’ng clown.
lol”
Yes you did we all know your not intelligent enough to know it was discovered instead of invented.
Still one of your funniest posts now I see why Albert thinks you are funny!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Sullivan. . You are a moron dude… McKenzie is the GM now… its his job to put the best NFL players on the team… to help the succeeded. .. Amy trask… Herrera. ..their not going anywhere. .you idiot. .. your going to be really dissapointed when you realize that McKenzie is only moving pieces in regards to coaches and players only.. for the most part everything else will remain intact..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
As usual you have no idea what M Davis is going to do you just spout off any retarded bullsh that enters that pea brain of yours.
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Be nice to see Marcus Allen allowed to attend games again.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Mayweather is going to smash PacMan’s face in, whether they fight this weekend, 2 years ago or 2 years from now.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
England,
1001 Camels!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
As usual you have no idea what M Davis is going to do you just spout off any retarded bullsh that enters that pea brain of yours.
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
open training camps will be extra cool
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Training camp open to the public.
Marcus Allen allowed back to Raider venues, amongst other players Al got all butt hurt by.
So many things will probably change.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Alex7,
You said you were a school teacher in oregon, and your in this blog, day and late night, all nite sometimes. Now today you’ve been in here all day. So your excuse will be lame so don’t provide one, I suspect you are just one of many MR handles.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
113.Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
England raider,
I am not sure what happened to him. I assume he was banned, but maybe he is training black Moses for his big comeback?
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LOL.
Hey, you’ve still got it buddy.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Black holes are invented, electricity was discovered. The difference is that mathematicians invent what is needed to uphold the model. Real scientist discover what is needed to move forward.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
lol sullivan
“Dang it, we need MORE FILM ON TODD WATKINS AND DOUG GABRIEL!! I don’t care what it takes.”
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
if anybody think uncle al didnt keep tabs on mackenzie your fooling yourselves, davis kept tabs on everyone. wolf and davsi are great friends, mackenzie played for davis, and trained at wolfs feet. Im 100% postive davis was fully aware of mackenzie.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
However I made no mention of Italians I think that was JFB that chimed in with “Italians”.
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Leave me out of this one.
I didn’t chime in nothing, History and Science is where I fail on Jeopardy.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Dell,
you do realize it’s 3:24?
And teachers don’t work at night?
And we have recess and lunch breaks?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Al was the one who wanted training camps closed because he didn’t want “spies” to see how he was going to use stealth weapons like Johnny Lee Higgins and Lito Sheppard. I don’t think Mark’s that crazy. I think camps will be open.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Dell,
I like to overcome objections. It was my thing. It’s a game. I love it!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I invented electricity and sunlight u mthrfkers! Bow down to me!
Sorry that is the crown and coke talking…
January 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I actually hope the Raiders keep Hue Jackson as head coach for at least one more season; should they let him go, Raiders need to hire a defensive minded head coach.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
haha. Look at Mistic trying to give Al credit for the McKenzie hire. Al died in October, Mistic.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Every objection you get, is one step closer to a yes.
Applies in sales, and drunk fat chicks.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
my great great great grand father invented electricity?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Al was the one who wanted training camps closed because he didn’t want “spies” to see how he was going to use stealth weapons like Johnny Lee Higgins and Lito Sheppard. I don’t think Mark’s that crazy. I think camps will be open.
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Doesn’t matter if Mark Davis is crazy or not. McKenzie undoubtedly has full control over such things, and he’ll do things the Packer way (which is really the old Raider way, just updated for modern times).
January 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
I stuck it to you!!!!
BOO
Bank
Of
Omerica
January 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
on my mom’s side
January 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
What, black holes are invented? By god?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Dakota,
Better get a nice lather to prepare for a tough loss tonight on the hardwood.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I think Herrera is in charge of travel, camps and media access.
If camps are going to change, ol’ John-John will need a change of gears.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Davis (Al) would not hire the best people even though he knew who they were. His ego was the reason for over twenty years of failure.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Dell,
you do realize it’s 3:24?
And teachers don’t work at night?
And we have recess and lunch breaks?
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I knew you would come up with a lame excuse, (long lunch, most teachers I know have no time) but a good one for the blog. MR you could be rich and famous, you should put all this time and creativity in to sales or some form of marketing, your wasting your time on this blog.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
My hardwood is always lathered.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I’ll bet you anything, that since the late ’80s, if anyone offered any of the other teams tapes of Raider practices, they wouldn’t even want them. They’d be like, “no thanks. I think I can draw up a good picture in my own mind of Jay Schroeder throwing a deep ball into triple coverage”
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
whoa RaiderDuck
The Packers way is the old Raiders way, except updated?
So it’s different, right?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I’m sure Al was aware of McKenzie, but I highly doubt he picked him as his successor. That is just drivel coming from the Davis sycophants. Most likely the hiring was Ron Wolfe’s and Madden’s doing.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
whoa RaiderDuck
The Packers way is the old Raiders way, except updated?
So it’s different, right? Modern, like the other 95% of the league.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Dell, what is your thing about where people work? Do you honestly think anyone on a blog is going to think you’re better than them because you say you work in an office? Are you really that demented?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
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January 6th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I’m sure Al was aware of McKenzie, but I highly doubt he picked him as his successor. That is just drivel coming from the Davis sycophants. Most likely the hiring was Ron Wolfe’s and Madden’s doing.
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MR, typical comment, thanks.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
145.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Every objection you get, is one step closer to a yes.
Applies in sales, and drunk fat chicks.
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Actually……there’s a lot to be said for drunk fat chicks.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I’ll bet you anything,
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What are you, fuk’n twelve?!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I agree with Mistic. . Theirs no way mark makes a decision of this magnitude if he wasn’t privy to some inside info his dad left for him… McKenzie had to be al davis number one choice…no doubt about that..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Dell, what is your thing about where people work? Do you honestly think anyone on a blog is going to think you’re better than them because you say you work in an office? Are you really that demented?
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I admit MR, I’m a union man, work for SEIU, any objections to my office hurts me, so please go easy on me.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Dell, I heard you work in an office. That is so cool.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I didn’t think working in an office was such a big deal.
I mean, if we are posting on here, we are either unemployed, not on the clock or working in an office right?
Probably not too many truck drivers posting I would imagine.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Isn’t SEIU a Marxist organization or something like that?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Dakota, I’m not sure what you are saying. No one has ever seen a black hole. They are mathematicians constructs that can’t be falsified. “If you can’t see them then you can’t say they don’t exist” That is not science.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Al was never going to appoint a GM. He was dying for the last few years. Only his blind gushing followers couldn’t see it. Al was going to run the team until he died. Al had no plans of appointing a GM. If he did ever envision passing the team on to someone, he would have done it 7 years ago, when he and everyone around him already knew that the game had passed him by, and both his mental and physical health were deteriorating. McKenzie is all Mark, via consultation from Madden and Wolf.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
lol
dell getting hammered.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Remember I’m in the chili’s breakroom, please be quiet they can read your comments.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
twocents
you can’t see gravity either.
You can see the effect of black holes on nearby matter.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Dell, what is your thing about where people work? Do you honestly think anyone on a blog is going to think you’re better than them because you say you work in an office? Are you really that demented?
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I’m waiting for your racist comments about SEIU, MR, oh excuse me Alex7.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
if Al thought McKenzie was all that, he would have hired him already.
Especially once he started admitting he was bringing in outside help for the draft and free agency.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I thought the reports said there was no succession plan? Now al is getting credit for moves made 3 months after his passing? Lmao!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Where is random drug tester, or Alberta, comon MR bring em out to play today.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
LOL.. Sullivan feeling the heat… when it comes out that al davis wanted McKenzie as our GM. .. sully will probably slit his boney wrist…Lmao! !.. either way… I love the McKenzie hire!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
It was QUOTED Al thought he’d live much longer. He mentioned his mother living to 100+.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Let’s all just be thankful Mark Davis isn’t as weird as Ted Williams’ kid and his “succession” plan was to freeze his head and bring him back to life.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
lol. One of my friends is a state worker and loves to brag about his office. He too invokes his “office” every chance he gets, like Dell.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Sully,
You work for the state don’t you?
My people tell me this is true.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
5 days after the season being over. .we hire our GM. . There’s no doubt this has been planned. .. atleast since right after als passing away… that’s for sure… so screw you al davis haters!!.. eat it!! Biatches!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
MR, Bring in here Barry Halverson, or Raider Ray, the cop who was from San anselmo, then moved when busted by Happydaze37, to were now do you live?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
GhostRaider ,you’re not even going to recognize this football team and the way things are run in a couple of years. They’re going to start looking like a regular NFL team. They may not be good every year, but they definitely won’t be as dysfunctional as they were on Al’s watch. I’m betting a lot of fans like you jump ship. It’s not going to be those Raiders anymore. It’s going to be more like Gruden’s team.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Two cents,
I know one black hole exists in oaktown, and since I saw some show on discovery about black holes, I know it must be true, and the dude at CERN made one!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Al was never going to appoint a GM. He was dying for the last few years. Only his blind gushing followers couldn’t see it. Al was going to run the team until he died. Al had no plans of appointing a GM. If he did ever envision passing the team on to someone, he would have done it 7 years ago, when he and everyone around him already knew that the game had passed him by, and both his mental and physical health were deteriorating. McKenzie is all Mark, via consultation from Madden and Wolf.
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your forgetting madden and wolf were good friends with davis al the way up to davis death.
Im sure mark got input on mackenzie fromall three, and i bet davis tabbed mackenzie as a guy who could do it after his death. We know that his right hand man wolf sure did
January 6th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
lol. One of my friends is a state worker and loves to brag about his office. He too invokes his “office” every chance he gets, like Dell.
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MR,
You have no friends, you’re in here 24/7.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
LOL.. Sullivan feeling the heat… when it comes out that al davis wanted McKenzie as our GM. .. sully will probably slit his boney wrist…Lmao! !.. either way… I love the McKenzie hire!!
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You are an idiot if you think Al called for the McKenzie hire.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Dell, you want to know where I live, now? Can’t we just talk football? It’s a Raider blog, not a forum for you to stalk people.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Yeah hue claims al believed in him and wanted him to run the team, and I will fall off my chair laughing when hue claims al wanted to turn the team over to Reggie…that is what al said on his death bed….hire Reggie, and pass the slaw damn it!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
I thought the reports said there was no succession plan? Now al is getting credit for moves made 3 months after his passing? Lmao!
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i beleiev it was the week after the death of davis, trask was on the radio here in oakland and said there was a definite plan in place post davis, and there were a handful of guys that davis targeted as people he would want to see run the show for and with his son.
Im guessing that mackenzie was at the top of the list, being that he was the first guy in for an interview and his raider background, and his ties to wolf
January 6th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
I’m being baited into a very distasteful joke invoking the morbidity in Davis having passed. I won’t bite. Let me just say….there’s no possible way, physically, that Al Davis could have been involved with the McKenzie hire. Try to figure it out. Don’t make me say this joke, that’s right on the tip of my tongue
January 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Speaking of original put downs..
“you have no friends”
Slow hand clap, Dell. Now can you just talk football now?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Fat Albert. .. your better served to go away and stfu!!… never seen your posts before.. you imbecile.. unless your one of Sullys new sockpuppet team..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Alex7,
The electrical force is billions of times more powerful than gravity, the evidence that electricity is the major force in the universe is, in my opinion, undeniable.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Fat Albert. .. your better served to go away and stfu!!… never seen your posts before.. you imbecile.. unless your one of Sullys new sockpuppet team..
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Everyone know that you are a complete moron. Shut up ass h*le.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Dell, you want to know where I live, now? Can’t we just talk football? It’s a Raider blog, not a forum for you to stalk people.
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I really would like to hire you, you would be fantastic in sales, but since I am full of schit and don’t work in an office I’ll come clean.
I like you are a union man, and I bleed union and all the problems. We know, most problems are caused by non union people.
So I will take your advice and discuss raiders like you do daily in here, I won’t discuss politics, or family cousins, or racist people, I’ll follow you till death my union brother.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
whoa RaiderDuck
The Packers way is the old Raiders way, except updated?
So it’s different, right? Modern, like the other 95% of the league.
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It’s like the old Raiders way, in its single-minded commitment to winning and intimidation.
It’s updated in that it realizes what may have worked for NFL defenses in Reagan’s first term may not work today.
It also realizes that in this interconnected world, closing practices and delaying media updates gives no competitive advantage, and just makes the team look ridiculous.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Alex7,
Is McKenzie’s first order of business to work on that contract extension for Hue?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Twocents Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Alex7,
The electrical force is billions of times more powerful than gravity, the evidence that electricity is the major force in the universe is, in my opinion, undeniable.
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Didn’t Leonardo Da Vinci invent electricity?
January 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
What bothers people about al davis possibly leaving direct instructions. . Is just that… leaving instructions on how to run the team.. even in death these guys still hate al davis. . They don’t want his thumb print on the Raiders. .but guess what?? Asssholes!! His image will always be on this team… so fcuck off!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
http://www.freepriesttjnow.org
Clean up the trolls.
Long live the Al Davis legacy.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
How is this ‘prestigous’ if it ain’t fair.
Raiders will ALWAYS get there’s in the end.
It’s a new dawn, and big thangs are happening and nobody will be able to stop us.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
His image will always be on this team… so f**k off!!
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Of course it will be. Just like George Halas’ image is still with the Bears, and Lombardi’s is still with the Packers. But they’ve moved on. And so will we.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Ha ha ha! I’ve seen it all!
So, Duck, the Packers are just following the Raiders’ model. Aaron Rodgers is without a doubt your prototypical Al Davis QB. My goodness it never ends in here. Just laughs.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
From Bill Williamson of ESPN:
He has also been advised by many of his father’s former trusted lieutenants such as Ken Herock, John Madden and Ron Wolf. Wolf and Herock recommended McKenzie and Davis acted almost as quickly as he could to hire him. McKenzie is expected to start the job next week.
One of the reasons why McKenzie was likely attracted to the job is that the owner knows his place. The best run sports teams are those where the owner allows his employees to do their jobs. Unlike his father, Davis doesn’t have a long history in football. He recognized that and it is clear he is interested in letting those who best know the game lead the team.
Good for him and it will likely be even better for the franchise moving forward.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
If al hired Reggie chances are Reggie will suck, just like the majority of al’s decisions, so u fools better hope not.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Fat Albert making a splash….. LOL.. Albert let me guess?? You like the raiders too I suppose… but you hated the owner right?? You jackass.. I can tell your a short timer man..
January 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Ghost Raiders, let’s turn your same logic on you. Why do you want Al so badly to have the credit? Have you considered the possibility that he really deserves none? That he had every intention of living another 20 years and running this team throughout? Because every single action of his was indicative of it. What this really boils down to is, you’re insistent on giving Al Davis credit for things he doesn’t deserve credit for. If Al doesn’t die, Kyle Boller’s our QB, we end the season at 5-11, another team likely snatches up McKenzie.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Ha ha ha! I’ve seen it all!
So, Duck, the Packers are just following the Raiders’ model. Aaron Rodgers is without a doubt your prototypical Al Davis QB. My goodness it never ends in here. Just laughs.
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A tough, strong-armed QB? Sounds like the old Raiders.
An attacking, swarming defense? Sounds like the old Raiders.
A big-time running game without big name running backs? You mean like Clarence Davis and Mark Van Eeghen?
Yes, this is the old Raider way. Just improved. If Al had retired in 1990 and let Ron Wolf take over as GM, it would’ve been our way, too.
But that’s water under the bridge. What’s important is moving forward, and Reggie McKenzie is the right man to lead us.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Dell,
Maybe you can delegate to one of your SEIU buddies to respond to your e-mails,lol
January 6th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
I know that most of you don’t give a cr*p about science. But money has corrupted science just as surely as it corrupts politics.
Don’t believe everything you see on Discovery channel.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Fat Albert making a splash….. LOL.. Albert let me guess?? You like the raiders too I suppose… but you hated the owner right?? You jackass.. I can tell your a short timer man..
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http://www.freepriesttjnow.org
True Raider fans suffer, and when the Raiders are hot, nothin else like it.
Fair weather fans do not exist.
All things Raider means just that.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Sully.. I’m just happy we have Reggie McKenzie as our GM.. its the likes of you and some others here that think the entire organization will now be transformed to somtging else.. I’m surprised you haven’t started talking about changing uniform colors and giving the Raiders a new name… your the one who sounds ridiculous. .. I expect McKenzie to place better coaches and better players on the field… but for crying out loud… you talk nonsense man… McKenzie is not obseessed over Herrera and trask the way you are.. wake the hell up Dude! !
January 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Fat Albert making a splash….. LOL.. Albert let me guess?? You like the raiders too I suppose… but you hated the owner right?? You jackass.. I can tell your a short timer man..
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I’ve been a fan for 25 years. Shortly after I first became a huge Raider fan, they started sucking, primarily because of the decisions of Al Davis. I admire what he did to win those 3 Super Bowls, but he sure caused my a lot of heartache over the years.
You can f*ck off douche bag.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
lmfao. it never ends. guys, we’ve got one. A Davis homer who thinks GB drafted Rodgers following an Al Davis blue print.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Dell, does your office require the use of 4 union workers to change a light bulb?
January 6th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Dell,
Maybe you can delegate to one of your SEIU buddies to respond to your e-mails,lol
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JFB,
Thanks for the mail. Received it and in my Chili’s breakroom have read what you said. You have so much potential for future clients, it should be capitalized on.
i will respond to your equity question, after my breakroom duties are done.
I’m wondering if Raider O, along with the two of us should think about a WM company, in the future, sound good?
January 6th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Ghost Raiders, the franchise IS being transformed into something else, no matter what either of us wants.
Try to appreciate this.
3 months ago:
Al Davis/Hue Jackson/Jason Campbell (Boller backup)
Today:
Mark Davis/Reggie McKenzie/Hue Jackson/Carson Palmer
That is different. Very different. It’s not about what any of us wants. It’s about what’s happening. Is what it is, as it were.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Save it Albert. .. you know nothing.. you jackass. . Your opinion mean nothing dude.. so keep on hating. . You old fool.. weather you like it or not this team still has the al davis name stamped all over it.. and if you don’t like it.. run to the niners. . I’m sure they’ll accept people Like you.. you idiot!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
It’s true Sullivan. Al Davis passed on Aaron Rodgers so his genius could be replicated with the Packers. In reality, the Packer Super Bowl win last year was Al’s 4th ring. He may get the 5th this year.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Dell, does your office require the use of 4 union workers to change a light bulb?
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MR aka Sully,
I thought you said to leave you alone, well actually you used the word stalking, to only discuss raiders.
i agree with you, how funny to think Rodgers can a Raider QB, good one made me laugh.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m surprised you haven’t started talking about changing uniform colors and giving the Raiders a new name…
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I think he would be in favor of the Raiders original name the Oakland “Senors”-With the catch phrase of “Howdy, Senior.”-Chet Soda
January 6th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Dell, I’m not Albert. I’m pro-union. Believe in state workers. Doesn’t mean I can’t make fun of a delusional friend of mine, who thinks he’s Donald Trump because he got an office with a view.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
98% of this team are still players that al davis brought in.. so until their all gone… I would still say its al’s team… sorry but that’s the straight up truth!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
I’m wondering if Raider O, along with the two of us should think about a WM company, in the future, sound good?
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I’m in.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
And hopefully, Mark Davis will soon take the next step and tell Oakland, in no uncertain terms, to break ground on a new stadium before they lose our Raiders to LA. Again.
If the cheap lazybone idiots who run Oakland can’t get their act together after 17 years, that’s their problem. It shouldn’t be ours.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
zopi Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Speaking of the man from Sonora, California.
Palmer is more like Pastorini than Plunk. Pastorini was a lot tougher though.
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I don’t know, did you watch the Miami and Green Bay games? Palmer was getting his ass KICKED out there.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
If the city of Oakland doesn’t do something about the horrible stadium. . Don’t be surprised to see them leave for l.a… Raiders belong in Oakland but that stadium is a stinkhole!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I bet Oakland gives Raiders a stadium now that Al is gone.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Just for the heck of it: WR/PR Johnnie Lee Higgins worked out for the Patriots today.
1 hour ago
January 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
229.RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
And hopefully, Mark Davis will soon take the next step and tell Oakland, in no uncertain terms, to break ground on a new stadium before they lose our Raiders to LA. Again.
If the cheap lazybone idiots who run Oakland can’t get their act together after 17 years, that’s their problem. It shouldn’t be ours.
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Oakland officials are not “lazybone”–are you a woman?
They just don’t have any money.
I would love to see an Al Davis stadium built at the Coliseum after the A’s leave but they may have to buy the place.
Their other options are:
1. Move in with the whiners in the South Bay.
2. Move to San Diego because the Chargers will move to LA a lot faster than the Raiders.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
232.Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
I bet Oakland gives Raiders a stadium now that Al is gone.
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Then you’re a moron.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Oakland has now been dragging their heels through three different Presidential administrations. Since we moved back, TWENTY other teams have gotten new stadiums. Why not us?
Time for Oakland to put up or shut up. If they can’t provide the Raiders with a new stadium, they don’t deserve an NFL team.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The Sockpuppet Army is really running amok today.. MR denying he’s any of his sockpuppets, while he either compliments himself, or gets in minor disagreements, usually won by the Sockpuppet Army’s Field Marshall Sully/Sandusky.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Remember Al’s last presser, he was asked if he would ever hire a GM. He said something about he had a part time GM or somebody in the shadows or something like that. Anyone remember that?
January 6th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Was it Barret Robbins the last Raiders All-Pro?
What a shame, if he just hadn’t taken the wrong turn-off on the I-5 and ended up on a Tijuana strip joint.
Would the Raiders trade Palmer for Sanchez straight up? Would you?
Neither Akers nor Lee are better than Janiko and Shane Lechler. That’s a shame.
Whomever gave Seymour an All-Pro vote must be sucking hard ones.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
One of the really good parts of this is Reggie McKenzie has already seen the 2011 Raiders up close and personal. He should be able to evaluate the team and the coaching staff in minutes. Just go back to the Green Bay game and watch us go down 31-0 in the lst 25 minutes and hopefully he sees all he needs to see of Hue Jackson, Bresnahah and company.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
It’s true Sullivan. Al Davis passed on Aaron Rodgers so his genius could be replicated with the Packers. In reality, the Packer Super Bowl win last year was Al’s 4th ring. He may get the 5th this year.
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My case demonstrated.. “OOOhhh Sullivan, you/me/we’re so smart!”
January 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
They just don’t have any money.
I would love to see an Al Davis stadium built at the Coliseum after the A’s leave but they may have to buy the place.
Their other options are:
1. Move in with the whiners in the South Bay.
2. Move to San Diego because the Chargers will move to LA a lot faster than the Raiders.
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So you’re saying they haven’t had any money for the last SEVENTEEN YEARS? Not a legitimate excuse.
As for the Chargers, they may well be the LA Chargers by March. HOWEVER, there are two proposals out there. Even if the Chargers take Farmer’s Field, we can still nab the “Los Angeles Stadium” out in the City of Industry.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The Sockpuppet Army is really running amok today.. MR denying he’s any of his sockpuppets, while he either compliments himself, or gets in minor disagreements, usually won by the Sockpuppet Army’s Field Marshall Sully/Sandusky.
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Watching Albert and Alex gloss MR would actually be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing and sad.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
“PlunkforHOF Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
The Sockpuppet Army is really running amok today.. MR denying he’s any of his sockpuppets, while he either compliments himself, or gets in minor disagreements, usually won by the Sockpuppet Army’s Field Marshall Sully/Sandusky.”
Thank you Plunk!
Makes me sick that you can’t enjoy good news on the blog today because of Sandusky44 and his warped sense of reality.
You tard Sandusky you don’t know what Al prepared Mark for. Our new GM could have been on Al’s radar you don’t know.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
A travesty! How TD passes does whatever chump punter they voted for have? How many +80 yard punts? Weak sauce!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
242.RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
They just don’t have any money.
I would love to see an Al Davis stadium built at the Coliseum after the A’s leave but they may have to buy the place.
Their other options are:
1. Move in with the whiners in the South Bay.
2. Move to San Diego because the Chargers will move to LA a lot faster than the Raiders.
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So you’re saying they haven’t had any money for the last SEVENTEEN YEARS? Not a legitimate excuse.
As for the Chargers, they may well be the LA Chargers by March. HOWEVER, there are two proposals out there. Even if the Chargers take Farmer’s Field, we can still nab the “Los Angeles Stadium” out in the City of Industry.
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Correct Duck.
The last 17 years and long before that.
Is this the perfect place for a Raider stadium?
Absolutly.
If I had the money, I’d build it myself but I’ve been married three times.
When it comes to LA, San Diego is much more likely to move there than the Raiders, ESPECIALLY now that Al is dead.
The minute the Chargers think the Raiders are considering it,they are there.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
*many*
January 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
“Watching Albert and Alex gloss MR would actually be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing and sad.”
Its like watching Discovery channel, Elephants taking a dump and a bunch of hyenas lapping it up while its still steaming hot.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Dell is cool, intelligent and probably has good job, the exact opposite of you Sandusky44!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
What up JLofty.. you’re right about Shane.. also SeaBass TIED THE RECORD this year, besides being absolute money the rest of the year.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Dakota and Sullivan, you guys are pathetic.
Spitting on the grave of a man who is gone. Yet without Al Davis, the Raiders team that we grew to love would not even exist.
Sullivan, you’re NOT EVEN A RAIDER FAN, the posts are all over the blog to back that up. You are a 49er fan.
Al Davis made some mistakes in his life. In fact he made a lot of mistakes.
But Wolf and Mckenzie and Gruden and Madden, are all former Raiders who AL DAVIS HIRED AT SOME POINT. Without Al they would have had no Raider history period. Some of them might not even have made it into the NFL for years after they did, because Al Davis gave chances to people that were turned down almost everywhere else!
The Raiders are back, and we will always be the team shaped in Al Davis image. GM or no GM.
We won before and we will win again. So give the Al Davis hate a rest already.
If not I’m sure there’s a 49er Debartolo commemoration blog somewhere for you to follow!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
“Watching Albert and Alex gloss MR would actually be funny if it wasn’t so disturbing and sad.”
Its like watching Discovery channel, Elephants taking a dump and a bunch of hyenas lapping it up while its still steaming hot.
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Yikes
January 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Correct Duck.
The last 17 years and long before that.
Is this the perfect place for a Raider stadium?
Absolutly.
If I had the money, I’d build it myself but I’ve been married three times.
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The Oakland Raiders were the most feared franchise in all of sports. They moved to LA and came back with their tail between their legs, and these makeup wearing, costumed spectacle wannabes filled the Coliseum with their return. It’s taken over a decade to rid ourselves of that “LA” element. The Raiders know this.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Dell,
It will be a pleasure working with you. I will note everything and Learn as much as I can from you and your exp.
You too Vegas.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
eymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Correct Duck.
The last 17 years and long before that.
Is this the perfect place for a Raider stadium?
Absolutly.
If I had the money, I’d build it myself but I’ve been married three times.
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The Oakland Raiders were the most feared franchise in all of sports. They moved to LA and came back with their tail between their legs, and these makeup wearing, costumed spectacle wannabes filled the Coliseum with their return. It’s taken over a decade to rid ourselves of that “LA” element. The Raiders know this.
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Amen. At least we agree on something.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
MR’s mom must have brought him his dinner of Mac&Cheese with cocktail franks mixed in..
January 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Hue and Palmer were part of the reason why McKenzie came here…
Believe it!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
what i dont get is why people just rag on Al. dont get it. what goods it gonna do. Al was far more good than some of his mistakes, which by the way, big deal.
nothing is ever gonna sway me from admiration for Al. no negative needed.
haters, be gone. hatred has caused this world enough damage. quit keepin it alive.
Al = Raiders
Raiders = Al
January 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
253.Seymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Correct Duck.
The last 17 years and long before that.
Is this the perfect place for a Raider stadium?
Absolutly.
If I had the money, I’d build it myself but I’ve been married three times.
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The Oakland Raiders were the most feared franchise in all of sports. They moved to LA and came back with their tail between their legs, and these makeup wearing, costumed spectacle wannabes filled the Coliseum with their return. It’s taken over a decade to rid ourselves of that “LA” element. The Raiders know this.
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You’re not wrong there Oakglen.
Don’t discount all socal Nation members though because they are loyal.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
http://www.insidebayarea.com/remembering-al-davis
January 6th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Al Davis- THE biggest contributor to the history and mystique of the National Football League.. this is beyond dispute.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
how the eff did the press think Akers was better than Jano? How many 50+ did Jano nailed this year? He even nailed 4 50+ in Houston if I recall correctly. Bunch of idiots.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
In any event Oakglen, I’m not saying they should move south.
I’m saying that Oakland won’t finance a new stadium and you think they will, you’ll be standing around longer than the Kings in Sacto.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Aig… word
January 6th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
When it comes to LA, San Diego is much more likely to move there than the Raiders, ESPECIALLY now that Al is dead.
The minute the Chargers think the Raiders are considering it,they are there.
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And that’s the beauty of two separate major proposals. Even if the Chargers take one, there’s still the other.
For comparison, here’s a list of current NFL Stadiums. You will notice that we currently have the fourth-oldest in the league (really the third-oldest, as Soldier Field doesn’t really count, given its recent complete teardown and rebuild).
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/List_of_NFL_stadiums
January 6th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Tuck rule being gone over again on BSPN.. still makes me want to break some schit…
January 6th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Slow Pain hasn’t sounded this good in awhile.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
The big news is that we are finally a legit team with a real front office
2011 season
The Good: hired good head coach with fire, passion and a real Raider offense (although not always good decision making). Hired a real GM that may be the best in the league
The Bad: Gave up too much for Carson Palmer
The Ugly: Defense can’t stop the run or rush the passer or tackle PR/KR as soon as they catch the ball or force fair catches
First order of business: Renegotiate terms for acquiring Palmer, recoup next years pick
Since we don’t have a draft, the GM hire was our draft
January 6th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Duck:
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding but are you actually saying that LA-which leaves Dodger games in th 7th inning-will support teams?
I think you’re wrong.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
*two
January 6th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
GM hire is the most important Raider acquisition since Marcus Allen.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
This is an interesting post, but pretty premature:
123.Cervantes Says:
I think the best feeling with the hire of Mackenzie at GM is this…
No more stupid, crippling contracts to bad players.
(Too early to tell)
No more reaches as draft picks.
(Too early to tell)
No more bad trades.
(Too early to tell)
Guy can’t play he’s cut.
(Too early to tell)
Guy can’t coach he’s canned.
(Too early to tell)
I can live with Mark/Trask/Mackenzie/Hue and a NEW DC.
(Me too!)
This is absolutely my last season of dealing with a team that gives up over 400 points in a season. The new ceiling is 320 max.
(Even if they make it to the Playoffs?? Also…if they give up 321-points, you’re done as a fan? Nothing like loyalty!)
January 6th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
For the record great move by the Raiders, no putzing around interviewing other guys and potentially losing out on or having to overpay once he started interviewing in other places
January 6th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
10.Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Ron Wolf’s philosophy finally returns to the Raiders through one of his proteges. What a breath of fresh air. It’s been a horrendous 20 years without you, Ron.
^^^^^^
It will be breath of much needed fresh air. Wolf, Madden and Herock all endorsed McKenzie, which is a great thing to know.
Hope he hires a solid head personnel man now.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
For the record great move by the Raiders, no putzing around interviewing other guys and potentially losing out on or having to overpay once he started interviewing in other places
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T H I S.
I was absolutely dreading the weeks and weeks of no information, whilst all the top candidates go elsewhere.
For once, we hire quickly and promptly, BEFORE everyone else, instead of three weeks later.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Sandusky44 agitating as usual i see, some things never change, lmfao.
Suck it!
January 6th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I am disappointed some of you even bothered replying to the asshat.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Duck:
Perhaps I’m misunderstanding but are you actually saying that LA-which leaves Dodger games in th 7th inning-will support teams?
I think you’re wrong.
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We don’t know what the level of fan support will be. A winning team will certainly improve that.
I’m just sick and tired of our facilities being an embarrassment. If we can’t improve them in Oakland, then maybe it’s time to leave.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Would be a shame if we don’t get Eliot Wolf too.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Great Day for all Raider fans!
Thanks to Mark Davis and the Team responsible for making this happen….QUICKLY.
Welcome Reggie McKenzie!
Also a Great Big Thank You to the Packers organization!
Thank You for acting in a class manner and allowing Reggie to start His work with us immediately!
Great Day In Raider History!
January 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Would be a shame if we don’t get Eliot Wolf too.
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The Packers may not let him go.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
In any event Oakglen, I’m not saying they should move south.
I’m saying that Oakland won’t finance a new stadium and you think they will, you’ll be standing around longer than the Kings in Sacto.
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Proof that FoxNews makes you dumber.
The reason Oakland won’t finance a stadium has nothing to do with how liberal Oakland is. Jean Quan just unleashed the OPD on Occupy protesters. Jerry Brown helped the OPD become as abusive as they are today. Gave them a green light to harass basically anyone whose appearance scared white people in areas marked for gentrification. I think Oakland’s government, despite being called left wing by nimrods in AM radio, has made it clear whose side their on, and it’s the money. The reason the Raiders couldn’t get a stadium in Oakland, or anywhere, for that matter, is because their owner was bat schit crazy! Would you fork billions over to Al Davis? Well, you probably would. Thing is, smart people wouldn’t. Now that Al’s gone, anything’s possible. Oakland is going through a huge redevelopment phase (what the city’s aggressive response to Occupy was really about). Any day now we’ll start hearing talks of a stadium. And, no doubt, LA will be in the running, too. But it’s not because Oakland’s too pc for a football stadium or anything like that. Only cities that are truly liberal are in the east. Cali, while they pretend to be liberal aging hipsters or whatever, are all about corporations and police FIRST.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Actually second most important. Most important was the signing of Jamarcus Russell, which led us to Campbell, to our new token white qb, Carson.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Would be a shame if we don’t get Eliot Wolf too.
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The Packers may not let him go.
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Anyone know how this works?
January 6th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Mark owns.
Amy is in control.
Reggie defines.
HueJack has to answer.
good
January 6th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
With a full offseason and training camp, and (hopefully) healthier skill set players to work with, I think it’s fair to expect that Carson’s best football in S and B is yet to come.
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Yes!. I´m with Palmer starting next season, even if Hue is out of the team.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
The Field Marshall returns with something idiotic.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Wouldn’t it be great if the Raiders became an organization that could develop a QB.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Would be a shame if we don’t get Eliot Wolf too.
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The Packers may not let him go.
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Anyone know how this works?
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It all depends on the younger Wolf’s contract. Some contracts allow people to leave, some allow them to leave for promotions, some don’t allow them to leave for another team at all. Also, Green Bay may let Wolf leave anyway if he makes it clear he wants to join Reggie here.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Palmer is an excellent addition. He can deliver the goods.
get over it children.
if the defense plays and gets stops it is ALL GOOD>
January 6th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Raider great Rich Gannon weighs in on McKenzie:
Gannon, whose relationship with the Raiders was at one time strained because of his criticisms of the operation while in his role as an analyst, is looking forward to seeing McKenzie go to work.
“I couldn’t be happier, not just for him, but for the Raiders,” Gannon said. “I think it’s a tremendous hire. I’m really excited to see the changes he makes, and my sense is it will probably be a lot. He comes from a phenomenal organization that’s doing things the right way in terms of detail, the little things, all the things that matter. I think it’s a great day for the Raiders.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_19691748?source=rss&cid=dlvr.it
January 6th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
So, if Gannon was such a hater when he criticized the team before, why’s he giving the team props now? Seems Gannon’s not just a debbie downer after all. If you do right, he commends you. You do wrong, he condemns you. Seems fair.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I agree with Sully. Palmer is a token that is just holding the seat until Jason comes back.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
273.ArtilleryShell Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
For the record great move by the Raiders, no putzing around interviewing other guys and potentially losing out on or having to overpay once he started interviewing in other places
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Yep. Glad Mark decided to get things done quickly instead of lagging until mid February to make important decisions and moves.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Maybe Gannon wants a job?
January 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Way to go, Sully. Couldn’t agree more. Gannon calls it like he sees it. Don’t know why others doubt you when you seam so smart.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
291.Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Raider great Rich Gannon weighs in on McKenzie:
Gannon, whose relationship with the Raiders was at one time strained because of his criticisms of the operation while in his role as an analyst, is looking forward to seeing McKenzie go to work.
“I couldn’t be happier, not just for him, but for the Raiders,” Gannon said. “I think it’s a tremendous hire. I’m really excited to see the changes he makes, and my sense is it will probably be a lot. He comes from a phenomenal organization that’s doing things the right way in terms of detail, the little things, all the things that matter. I think it’s a great day for the Raiders.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_19691748?source=rss&cid=dlvr.it
^^^^^^^
Yep….yep!!
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
I always liked Gannon, both on and off the field. A Raider through and through.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
It all depends on the younger Wolf’s contract. Some contracts allow people to leave, some allow them to leave for promotions, some don’t allow them to leave for another team at all. Also, Green Bay may let Wolf leave anyway if he makes it clear he wants to join Reggie here.
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Thanks Duck
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
295.silverback Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Maybe Gannon wants a job?
^^^^^^^
Get him to assist on the player personnel side.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
The last three or posts weren’t me. Just another pathetic troll.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Most new managers, regardless of profession, are going to go ahead and make the hard changes up front.
A decision on Hue Jackson will be made by the end of next week.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Palmer is an excellent addition. He can deliver the goods.
get over it children.
if the defense plays and gets stops it is ALL GOOD>
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Indeed.
Fix the Defense, Win the SB.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Oh, I don’t mean the Sullivan posts. I mean my posts. Meant my last three posts. Didn’t mean the last three posts on the board. Because that’s not me. I mean not Sullivan
January 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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haha, forgot to use one of the other alias when trying to rally support for his own comments.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Haha when that happens it highlights how loserish that is
January 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
The above one was me, but the others weren’t.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
289.RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Would be a shame if we don’t get Eliot Wolf too.
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The Packers may not let him go.
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Anyone know how this works?
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It all depends on the younger Wolf’s contract. Some contracts allow people to leave, some allow them to leave for promotions, some don’t allow them to leave for another team at all. Also, Green Bay may let Wolf leave anyway if he makes it clear he wants to join Reggie here.
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They were saying McKenzie will try and do his best to get Eliot Wolf to come. It would have to be a promotion and raise from what he is doing now.
I was hearing that he will probably get a promotion from the Pack though and stay with them.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Probably a problem with the server is why it’s confusing when Albert and Sullivan post. If you post at the same time it intermingles your names. It’s a server problem, not what some of you think.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
This was a fantastic hire.
I am cool with anyone that was part of the management team that drafted guys like Aaron Rogers, Clay Matthews, BJ Raji and Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley.
The Raiders have struggled in developing elite players….done a fair job getting role players….but not the elite players.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
240.Seymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
One of the really good parts of this is Reggie McKenzie has already seen the 2011 Raiders up close and personal. He should be able to evaluate the team and the coaching staff in minutes. Just go back to the Green Bay game and watch us go down 31-0 in the lst 25 minutes and hopefully he sees all he needs to see of Hue Jackson, Bresnahah and company.
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If that’s true than that horrid game in Green Bay was not a good audition.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Most new managers, regardless of profession, are going to go ahead and make the hard changes up front.
A decision on Hue Jackson will be made by the end of next week
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If they get rid of Hue….Mark and Reggie better be damn sure they hire the right guy to replace him, or it will be waste of time and the offense will probably regress because of it.
I’m not a big fan of Todd Philbin, the OC in Green Bay. McCarthy runs the show on offense over there and they run the ZBS scheme full time.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Probably a problem with the server is why it’s confusing when Albert and Sullivan post. If you post at the same time it intermingles your names. It’s a server problem, not what some of you think.
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Yea sure, what ever you say Sandusky44 pedo.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
haha, how embarrassing….
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
So, if Gannon was such a hater when he criticized the team before, why’s he giving the team props now? Seems Gannon’s not just a debbie downer after all. If you do right, he commends you. You do wrong, he condemns you. Seems fair.
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Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I agree with Sully. Palmer is a token that is just holding the seat until Jason comes back.
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Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Way to go, Sully. Couldn’t agree more. Gannon calls it like he sees it. Don’t know why others doubt you when you seam so smart.
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
The last three or posts weren’t me. Just another pathetic troll.
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Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Oh, I don’t mean the Sullivan posts. I mean my posts. Meant my last three posts. Didn’t mean the last three posts on the board. Because that’s not me. I mean not Sullivan
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GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
haha, forgot to use one of the other alias when trying to rally support for his own comments.
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GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Haha when that happens it highlights how loserish that is
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Albert Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
The above one was me, but the others weren’t.
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January 6th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Not to forget…
Alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Probably a problem with the server is why it’s confusing when Albert and Sullivan post. If you post at the same time it intermingles your names. It’s a server problem, not what some of you think.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
errr grumble, belch, agitate?
January 6th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
omfg that is hilarious, im copy-pasting that for keepsake.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Dknight,
I wouldn’t worry about the offense regressing in the offseason should Hue get fired. If Carson is the real deal then he should be able to adjust.
Everyone else on the roster will figure it out.
Not like the receivers and the quarterback had this great timing due to the way Carson came on board.
Its more important for McKenzie to get HIS guys in there. Guys that are TOTALLY aligned with his vision…so that the draft, free agency, offensive and defensive philosophy, training camp and game planning is in TOTAL alignment.
Hue’s offense wasn’t all that explosive…..it is a decent offense..not a great offense.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
If the city of Oakland doesn’t do something about the horrible stadium. . Don’t be surprised to see them leave for l.a… Raiders belong in Oakland but that stadium is a stinkhole!!
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To all those who think the Coliseum is so bad, please cite specifics that require a total new stadium be constructed. I’m a season ticket holder thee & I fail to see all these perceived shortcomings.
The improvements that I would like to see:
• No dirt infield for baseball – Let the A’s go South if they want
• The medical facilities (i.e. X-ray/ MRI/etc. “probably” needs upgrading.
• The locker rooms “probably” could use upgrading.
• If they got really creative, they could put some type of cover over the seats to keep them out of the rain. Something like the old Dallas hole in the roof type cover.
Other that that, the place is clean, well-staffed, with plenty of different type food vendors, adequate parking and centrally located. The Coliseum IS the Oakland Raiders.
The taxpayers & City are NOT in a position to build a new stadium just because most everybody else has one. It’s just NOT going to happen. We are still paying for the last Mt. Davis East side addition.
So all you out there thinking we absolutely must have a new stadium, please tell us, in great detail, WHY?
We’ve already sen that if the team starts performing sellouts will occur.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
295.silverback Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Maybe Gannon wants a job?
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Get him to assist on the player personnel side.
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I was thinking QB coach. His preparation was equal to a Brees or Peyton Manning.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Left out one major must have:
• New BIG SCREEN HD replay monitors to replace those crappy ones that we currently have.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Reggie – “Hue, what was your reasoning for RoMac to skate onto the field undisciplined after he gave murder a second thought?”
the low point
January 6th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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Ha! lose track of which sockpuppet you are?
January 6th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
From Windy City Insider on Monday.
Source: Eric DeCosta and Reggie McKenzie top targets for GM job
By Michael C. Wright ~ “Baltimore director of player personnel Eric DeCosta and Green Bay director of football operations Reggie McKenzie also are strong candidates in the Bears’ search. DeCosta is believed to be the top contender for the job, according to multiple sources, but he also will interview in St. Louis, according to reports. McKenzie interviewed in Oakland on Wednesday, according to ESPN NFL insider Adam Schefter.”
January 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
The beauty is he burned two of the aliases with that one gaffe (albert, alex7)
January 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
I’m sorry. The above was from yesterday.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
If Hue got this team into the playoffs and McKenzie was hired….Hue would be a guarantee.
However, Hue’s team looked so ragged for the last 5 games that it makes firing Hue plausible.
Hue Jackson was in a unique situation for sure.
Win the game against San Diego and get into the playoffs with a home playoff game, a chance to win in the playoffs (probably not with THAT defense), and become the top football decision maker with the ability to craft the front office in his vision.
Instead……hangin by a thread, front office position deminished, a new boss, and might lose his job.
Oh well…..shoulda pulled out another victory
January 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Now as usual, MR will disappear for 1/2 an hour or so and then return as if none of this happened.. too funny
January 6th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Regarding Hue,
Keep Him….or fire Him.
It’s of no concern to me personally.
What Reggie wants….Reggie gets.
The O has enough fire power on the current roster for ANY good HC/OC to put points on the board.
Still need to improve the O line in any case.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Now as usual, MR will disappear for 1/2 an hour or so and then return as if none of this happened.. too funny
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What he doesn’t realize either is that the start of this thread, all three aliases going at it, it was so “obvious” even if Mr Obviously Hue Jackson could see it.
But that gaffe and burn was a monumental embarrassment. Like one should re-think their life.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
The beauty is he burned two of the aliases with that one gaffe (albert, alex7)
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Oh GG, those mistakes happen a lot as he gets more drunk and loses control of the sockpuppets. These are the times when you can provoke him into a screaming meltdown. Unfortunately I have previous plans, or I’d love to stay and help push him over the top.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
omfg that is hilarious, im copy-pasting that for keepsake
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Yeah its good to have his historical gaffes at hand to repost when he’s feeling frisky..lol
January 6th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
I actually think Alex7 is his own person. I think he comes through with some insightful posts.
The rest of the noise….I have no comment on.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
Anticipated reaction of HueJax on McKenzie as GM: “Great to have someone who shares my vision . . . ”
10 hours ago
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LMAO!
January 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
I have to disagree SnB.. Alex7 is MR in more lucid moments.. Even a blind pig roots out an acorn now and then.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Nah, Alex7 is definitely RMR/etc.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
So Sullivan is Alex 7?
They don’t seem to have the same “personalities”.
This is weird.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
So Sullivan is Alex 7?
They don’t seem to have the same “personalities”.
This is weird.
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Think “Sybil” and you’ll understand.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Awile back I was compiling a MR’s Sockpuppet Army handle list… not sure how to retrieve it.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
*Awhile*
January 6th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Yeah they’re the same, as is Albert, and a number of others that pop in and out time to time.
Also, whoever that alias was that was celebrating Al’s death on the thread back when it was first announced was also definitely Sullivan/etc (RealMaddenRaider)
January 6th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Let’s not forget that He was stuck with Bresnahan – an Al Davis default decision. Hue wasn’t in a position to can Bresnahan mid stream. I do think he could have done more to keep Bresnahan on a VERY SHORT leash but there wasn’t much he could really do until this upcoming year. The failing defense was totally an Al Davis initiated failing for many many reasons.
I’m on the side that says the Palmer deal was a good deal. Time will prove that out. So we gave some raft choices away – BIG DEAL! It certainly lessens the chance that will waste a boatload of $’s on more JaLoser types. We now have $ resources to spend on proven free agents. RM should be able to accomplish a lot in the FA market in that 25% of the NFL players tis year are UFA. we have plenty of young talent on the squad now. We need players who can win now. Get a FA NT or 2, a couple of FA LB’s that can pass rush, a strong FA-CB, a couple of banger RB’s (let Bush go, not worth BIG $’s), an O-lineman or 2 and we’re good to go.
My biggest problem with Hue is that he doesn’t delegate well. Al Saunders is a great OC – let him call the damn plays. That would give Hue more time to motivate on the sidelines during he game. He can also chew a$s if necessary too. Besides, something tells me that Saunders will do a great job. Hue can chime in on the headset if he wants to get cute with a trick lay. Saunders will just help keep him honest.
Overall, Hue did an excellent job in helping turn this team around especially considering AD was still around for part of the season. Hue had to work with the group of assistants that AD gave him. That part will no doubt change for the better.
Reggie would be foolish I believe to can Hue in favor of an unknown commodity. Hue just needs to tone he rhetoric down a bit and work with Reggie to get us a SB win. There’s no better place for Hue to be so h is advised to just be your tempered-self and go with the flow. Just win!
January 6th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RMR = disenchanted Raider fan when Al moved the team to LA, to take up the Niners. Then when Al returned (especially Gruden years) he returned. Then when Al traded him, he went back to the Niners and vowed to troll and hate Al, Amy, Herrera, and RaiderNation, everything that Al stood for, did, and their fanbase etc.
Now that Al passed on, especially with McKenzie on board, he’s intimating returning to the Raiders as a 2nd favorite team, trying to buddy up with “us” and “we” speak.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m out Raider fans and MR.. Major rock show tonite in Reno. The return of Gunshot Licker!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
cya Plunk
January 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Gg. . I think you have that agitator pegged right on… But you would figure he would be happy with his niners in the playoffs.. he’s one tortured soul.. I hope he never becomes a Raiders fan..
January 6th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
RMR = disenchanted Raider fan when Al moved the team to LA, to take up the Niners. Then when Al returned (especially Gruden years) he returned. Then when Al traded him, he went back to the Niners and vowed to troll and hate Al, Amy, Herrera, and RaiderNation, everything that Al stood for, did, and their fanbase etc.
Now that Al passed on, especially with McKenzie on board, he’s intimating returning to the Raiders as a 2nd favorite team, trying to buddy up with “us” and “we” speak.
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Sounds like a plausible reality.
I’ve just never given RMR and all the puppets much thought.
Skip past most of it.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
I’m out Raider fans and MR.. Major rock show tonite in Reno. The return of Gunshot Licker!!
GO RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I hope with a name like that, it’s a female band.
Otherwise I’d have to question your “Freddy Mercury’ness”
January 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
This will be a very interesting offseason for sure….as far as free agency and what players stay and go.
Also, as far as Hue is concerned….McKenzie didn’t hire him….and therefore, I bet he asks himself if he would be his #1 choice of all available coaches/assistants if he was hiring new.
If The answer to that question is no…Hue is gone by next week.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Gg. .That dude celebrating al’s death was halverson… I remember that scumbag.. and You’re right. .. their all Sully. Bunch of losers! !
January 6th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Again, Hue’s Raiders finished so doggone poorly that everything is up for review…and nothing is so critical to the mission that it has to stay in place.
And to that extent…Chucky B really screwed up a lot of people this year.
Also, I am sure that Hue is going to have to ask what he did to arrest the defensive problems…If he says he was along for the ride….won’t be a good answer….also the penalties.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Yeah, it’s kinda sad. Tortured/Bitter. Made it all too personal like Al personally violated him. Usually I stay out of it. RMR deep deep down can be an ok guy sometimes, but he has mental demons. I never believe in bannings etc (RN.org). If he could just stick to one alias at least.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
25. You are so off base it is hilarious! Al would have brought in a qualified GM after firing Gruden, if he was serious about winning toward the end of his life.
January 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Len..You’re my hero… I can’t stand Sullivans crap.. but I notice if you don’t call him on his garbage… he just continues to Agitate. .. I’ve tried avoiding him.. but his antics could be unbearable..
January 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
This will be a very interesting offseason for sure….as far as free agency and what players stay and go.
Also, as far as Hue is concerned….McKenzie didn’t hire him….and therefore, I bet he asks himself if he would be his #1 choice of all available coaches/assistants if he was hiring new.
If The answer to that question is no…Hue is gone by next week.
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I’m glad that Reggie can begin work now.
It gives Him an opportunity to watch film, talk to coaches, players and get a handle on where we stand today… in his mind.
Everything is on the table.
In Reggie I will trust.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Sure hope the Raiders get a real DC, because if they did, we’d be complete. Need to root out the lazy and the satisfied, and bring in the hungry and the players who desire to play ball. Not just the average joe who has a good bowl game against a crappy opponent.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Al Davis’ time passed a long time ago. Face the facts!
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I think hue has one more season to prove himself…that’s good because old Reggie will have enough on his plate hiring a new d coordinator. .. but hue is definitely on a much shorter leash…I hope he does well….. I’m pulling for him..
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Let me throw this one out there …
There is an obvious imposter. Seen him take over B @ A U C E handle.
I think that same imposter takes over the perceived RMR handles too.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
If he could just stick to one alias at least.
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Just because it’s so insincere towards fellow posters, who are just posting as themselves and taking people at face value too, like they’re all separate individuals. Basically like someone pretending to be someone they’re not and stringing them along. People don’t deserve that. We’re just everyday people here who support a team thru thick and thin.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Al Davis’ time passed a long time ago. Face the facts!
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But his legacy lives on!
January 6th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Len..You’re my hero… I can’t stand Sullivans crap.. but I notice if you don’t call him on his garbage… he just continues to Agitate. .. I’ve tried avoiding him.. but his antics could be unbearable..
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RMR…
What up
January 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Steve wisniewski is one Guy I would bring back… the oline played much better this season.. love the left side of our oline…lets work on the middle and right side. ..
January 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Let me throw this one out there …
There is an obvious imposter. Seen him take over B @ A U C E handle.
I think that same imposter takes over the perceived RMR handles too.
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But hey anyway, it’s all good.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
I am with you, ProRaider. Let’s hope Reggie McKenzie can pick great football players and help lead us to the playoffs next season.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Al Davis wanted Hue Jackson to coach this team so I’m fine if the new GM decides to retain him.
What I’d like to see, regardless of who the HC is, is the HC manage the whole team on Sundays instead of the offense or defense. Let the coordinators call the plays.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Let me throw this one out there …
There is an obvious imposter. Seen him take over B @ A U C E handle.
I think that same imposter takes over the perceived RMR handles too.
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Hey J Hill
You’re right. I remember reading some Schit posted by B@auce, that was clearly not Him.
It was obvious.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Al never had a time. Ron Wolf built all of his good teams. Gruden built the ‘00-02 mirage.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
365.J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Let me throw this one out there …
There is an obvious imposter. Seen him take over B @ A U C E handle.
I think that same imposter takes over the perceived RMR handles too.
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But hey anyway, it’s all good.
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LOL!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Reggie’s going to open training camp to the public. Marcus Allen and Rich Gannon bans are lifted.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Hey J Hill
You’re right. I remember reading some Schit posted by B@auce, that was clearly not Him.
It was obvious.
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LOL!
He just jacked my name and posted 365.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Len.. believe me man.. LOL.. I’m not Sully. . Thank God!! .. I go to bed every night thanking God…that sully is not my next door Neighbor. .
January 6th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Speak of the devil..lol
January 6th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
To the rich go the spoils. If the Raiders and 9ers switched records then Seabass & Cannonball Lechler would be in.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Raiders are now focused on winning. All of Al’s senseless quirks are a thing of the past. We’re even wearing white jerseys in home games where weather is above 70 degrees, so our players are more comfortable and have a home field advantage. Anything that transcends to winning is in. Anything that doensn’t necesarrily help the team win is out.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Reggie’s going to open training camp to the public. Marcus Allen and Rich Gannon bans are lifted.
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That’s going to be one of the more interesting sidebars of this whole regime change.
Will there actually be much change at all?
McKenzie and Wolf are former Raiders after all. How much of the so called traditions will be just tossed out of the window?
January 6th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
I hate to use hypotheticals but
January 6th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Al closed training camps because he thought there were spies. Spies that wanted to know how we would use the powerful Kenny Shed.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Al thought other teams might copy Kerry Collins hitting Doug Gabriel on a 15 yard hitch.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Len.. believe me man.. LOL.. I’m not Sully. . Thank God!! .. I go to bed every night thanking God…that sully is not my next door Neighbor. .
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Ok, That means for sure that you’re his cousin with the big jugs.
Thanks. Stay safe, and were a berka. lol
January 6th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
omg i’m so f’n glad those days are over. Real management now. Real NFL organization. Gonna be fun.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Sully get help bro…. atleast get outta mommies basement every once in awhile and get some fresh air dude… your losing it again. .. by the way..are you infatuated with Marcus Allen. ..? Lmao. .
January 6th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Oh..oh.. hijacked another name huh.. sully…?? You nutcases!!.. that had to be the reason why old Len gave you a pass you weirdo… cousin molester. .you..
January 6th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Why shouldn’t I be infatuated with Marcus Allen? He’s the Raiders’ all time leading rusher. Any fan should be. BTW, he’s allowed back at Raider headquarters now. So is Gannon, Sapp. All McKenzie cares about is winning. As far as he’s concerned, Al’s nonsensical quirks are a thing of the past.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Who cares about the sideshow stuff…
What’s real is this coaching situation.
If McKenzie has his sights set on a particular coach….do not assume Hue is somehow a shoe in.
McKenzie didn’t hire Hue and Hue has no great mandate to stay except MAYBE because Palmer. But even that’s weak.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
McKenzie is not some dumb Raider fan. He knows the Raiders have been one of the most dysfunctional organizations in all of sports, and that Hue inherited a roster almost entirely put together by this dysfunctional organization. He’ll take that into consideration when assessing Hue’s future.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Sapp is a bigger ahole than you are sully!! …LOL give me a break.. you stupid loser!!
January 6th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Will mckenzie sign favre and make the plays ride bikes around training camp?
January 6th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
GhostRaider, stop acting tough. You’ve probably never even played sports. Scrawny little punk with an inhaler, thinks he’s tough because he’s a Raider fan.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Players…
January 6th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
McKenzie isn’t stupid like GhostRaider. He knows Hue inherited a train wreck of a team.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
This was a fantastic hire.
I am cool with anyone that was part of the management team that drafted guys like Aaron Rogers, Clay Matthews, BJ Raji and Greg Jennings and Jermichael Finley.
The Raiders have struggled in developing elite players….done a fair job getting role players….but not the elite players.
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’nuff said.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
I think if hue falls in line.. McKenzie will keep him for one more season. .. if he blows up everything. . You can kiss our chances in 2012 goodbye. . McKenzie better really think it thru if he plans on firing hue… he better have a very good coach waiting to take over…
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Green Bay’s won 2 Super Bowls since the Raiders have won their last, Dakota. They can do whatever they want in training camp.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Mckenzie, the honeymoon period is over. Where are the wins?
January 6th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Sully… I can tell You’re a real classy Guy… hitting on your cousin on Thanksgiving. .?? How low can you get.. you nut….. you finally ready to become a Raiders fan.. you jackass. .. save it.. we don’t want you!! .. you sissy niner fan..
January 6th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Hue is going to have to account for the high number of penalties and lack of toughness.
Its one thing to have high penalties and be a tough team (read Lions or old Raiders) but to have high penalties and be push overs….not a good look.
Hue has some explaining to do
January 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Regardless of what happens to Hue Jackson…at least this team will start building a legitmimate defense.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
We gonna be good. Got a legit GM. Al set the stage and the playahs showin up to play.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
GhostRaiders, why do you act tough? I can tell you’ve never even played sports. Can just picture you with an inhaler. Punching away on a keyboard, desperate to win an argument. Nerd.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
According to packer sites wolf will probably stay in gb and replace mckenzie. Bummer
January 6th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
McKenzie is not some retarded dolt fan like GhostRaider. He knows Hue didn’t have much to work with talent wise. He knows Hue had one of the worst defenses in the league. Hue’s getting two more years.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Mckenzie, the honeymoon period is over. Where are the wins?
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lol
January 6th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
According to packer sites wolf will probably stay in gb and replace mckenzie. Bummer
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Bummer, but it makes sense.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Just proves that the teams record carries a lot of weight. Even so how the F@*k are Jano and Lechler not in? What a joke. Jano was the Raiders MVP this year. C’mon man! So Akers cashes in on the niners pathetic red zone offense?
January 6th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Regardless of what happens to Hue Jackson…at least this team will start building a legitmimate defense.
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I sure as hell hope so.
Christ, our defense was horrible this season.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
joker94583 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Just proves that the teams record carries a lot of weight. Even so how the F@*k are Jano and Lechler not in? What a joke. Jano was the Raiders MVP this year. C’mon man! So Akers cashes in on the niners pathetic red zone offense?
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True. I don’t think anyone would take Akers over Janikowski. But kickers are usually judged on total made FGs more often than not in postseason awards. I remember a couple of years ago Kaeding made the Pro Bowl over Janikowski becasue Kaeding made an obscene number of FGs under 40 yards to pad his stats. Janikowski blew him away in kicks of 40+ and 50+ but Kaeding had almost like 20 more kicks made inside of 40.
January 6th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
“PlunkforHOF Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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Ha! lose track of which sockpuppet you are?”
LMFAO too funny BAM!!! CAUGHT!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Its been a great day.. we got our GM… the only thing better than this would be sully getting caught giving oral sex to his tranny cousin
January 6th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
John Herrera is Smithers from the Simpsons. Total ass kissing nose wiping lap dog. Hey Reggie if you are reading this then fire Smithers as your first task. Al is dead so Herrera is no longer useful. No more diapers for him to change. No one to lie for anymore since Hue does a great job of that all by himself. In fact anyone Al hired needs to go. Get the Febreze and spray away the old smell of old man dirty diapers and Ben Gay.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Let me throw this one out there …
There is an obvious imposter. Seen him take over B @ A U C E handle.
I think that same imposter takes over the perceived RMR handles too.
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The cloner is someone at contra costa times…
January 6th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
I think if hue falls in line.. McKenzie will keep him for one more season. .. if he blows up everything. . You can kiss our chances in 2012 goodbye. . McKenzie better really think it thru if he plans on firing hue… he better have a very good coach waiting to take over…
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I agree. McKenzie could really screw this whole thing up if he comes in hell-bent on making a coaching change and putting his own stamp on the team.
Hue deserves this job. The offense is night and day since he got here. Defense is not his side of the ball and he was saddled with one of the worst defenses in the NFL this season and still got 8 wins out of this team.
Hue took the Raiders from a 12 ppg offense in 2009 to about a 26 ppg offense in 2010 and if you take out that KC shutout game when we had just gone to Boller and lost our starting QB we were right around that number again.
And don’t give me the JaMarcus excuse for the offense’s improvement. The Raiders offense had been horrible since 2002 and Campbell-Gradkowski are not Peyton Manning caliber QBs that would improve an offense by 2 TDs per game alone.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
…if you build it, they will come.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
TO THE FIRE HUE CROWD:
Who are some coaches you’d like to see here instead?
January 6th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Hue Jackson with better backup.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The way the team finished down the stretch was unacceptable to me….regardless of the raggedy defense.
the Green Bay and Miami games were total team failures (didn’t show up)…the KC game was TWO blocked FGs away from disaster…Detroit the defense failed on key drives..the offense went cold in the 2nd half…San Diego was somewhat like Detroit game…breaking the NFL record for penalties and not knowing how to mitigate this….and a general pushover team.
I also think comparing the offense to the JaBustus days is not a very valid comparison. ANYTHING could look better compared to that.
Also, what makes you think McKenzie wants to hitch his wagon to a who’s claim to the throne is doing better than JaBustus, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Duante Culpepper, Josh McCown and Kerry Collins…..
Hue proved himself to be a decent OC….he did not prove a thing about being a head coach by everyones admission that the D fell apart and Hue was “powerless” to do much about it. Will make for an interesting interview question
January 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
TO THE FIRE HUE CROWD:
Who are some coaches you’d like to see here instead?
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Chris,
With all due respect, I’d leave it up to Reggie.
That’s what he will be paid to do.
I think He keeps Hue, unless of course Hue blows it.
I’d like nothing better than for Reggie and Hue to kick ass for the next decade.
Then when Hue retires, Reggie can find a replacement.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Bill Williamson says, Hue Jackson being fired is a longshot at best:
http://espn.go.com/blog/nflnation/post/_/id/51746/what-faces-reggie-mckenzie
January 6th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Im no fan of the manic man, but isnt that a bit far. are you willing to also take responsibility of what he(??she??) might do after you take its only source of human contact away?
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“GoodOle00 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Sullivan = Ricochet, RMR, Method and million other stupid troll tags. I’m all for a ban on this aholes IP adresses”
I think everyone here would agree with you 100%
Now lets pass that around for signatures right away!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Reggie needs to hire a good capologist and figure out a way to get a 2nd Round pick in this years draft.
Of course him and Huey need to hire good to great coaches on defense and figure out they want to stick with the 4-3 or go 3-4.
They need the right pieces, if they are going to 3-4 and now may not be the time to run a base 3-4.
They need to mix in more 3-4 looks though, if they stick to a 4-3 and I think they need to move Wimbley to the full time RDE spot and have him concentrate on what he does best and that is get to the passer and cause disruption in the backfield.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Reggie is the capologist too. That’s one aspect of a GM. Runs the entire football department.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
I still get a kick how people want to get rid of Hue after one crazy, tumultuous season, that no other 1st year head coach had to face, but were more than happy to keep guys like Norvall, Kitten and Cable guy around for more than a year.
Weirdos.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
# GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Reggie is the capologist too. That’s one aspect of a GM. Runs the entire football department.
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I don’t think he will be the main numbers guy though. I would rather see Reggie concentrate on renowned talent evaluations and bringing in good to great solid football players, instead of him worrying about the numbers most of the time.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Micafonist Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Im no fan of the manic man, but isnt that a bit far. are you willing to also take responsibility of what he(??she??) might do after you take its only source of human contact away?
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“GoodOle00 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Sullivan = Ricochet, RMR, Method and million other stupid troll tags. I’m all for a ban on this aholes IP adresses”
I think everyone here would agree with you 100%
Now lets pass that around for signatures right away!
Funny how you guys think that Method is MR…umm, no he is not!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
GG Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Reggie is the capologist too. That’s one aspect of a GM. Runs the entire football department.
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I’m guessing that Reggie would be the Guy that uses the information provided by the “Capologist”
Meaning that he would have others tracking players, salaries, expiring contracts, etc…and then factoring that info into a cohesive game plan.
I know that when Bill Walsh was doing His thing, It was John McVay (sp) and his staff that did all of the bookwork.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Former Raiders quarterback Rich Gannon, who has worked as an analyst for Green Bay exhibition games for the past five seasons and knows the organization well, believes McKenzie will make his presence felt quickly.
“My guess would be things are going to change dramatically for most people in the building,” Gannon said in a phone interview. “I’m not suggesting he’s going to come in and be a tyrant, but when you bring in a football person, you’ve got to let him go to work.”
Gotta love it!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Raiders average scoring output for the last six seasons (playcaller/top offensive coach in parenthesis):
2011: 21 ppg* (Hue Jackson)
2010: 26 ppg* (Hue Jackson)
2009: 12 ppg (Tom Cable)
2008: 16 ppg (Lane Kiffin/Tom Cable)
2007: 18 ppg (Lane Kiffin)
2006: 11 ppg (Tom Walsh/Art Shell)
*Indicates non-losing seasons.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The way the team finished down the stretch was unacceptable to me….regardless of the raggedy defense.
the Green Bay and Miami games were total team failures (didn’t show up)…the KC game was TWO blocked FGs away from disaster…Detroit the defense failed on key drives..the offense went cold in the 2nd half…San Diego was somewhat like Detroit game…breaking the NFL record for penalties and not knowing how to mitigate this….and a general pushover team.
I also think comparing the offense to the JaBustus days is not a very valid comparison. ANYTHING could look better compared to that.
Also, what makes you think McKenzie wants to hitch his wagon to a who’s claim to the throne is doing better than JaBustus, Aaron Brooks, Andrew Walter, Duante Culpepper, Josh McCown and Kerry Collins…..
Hue proved himself to be a decent OC….he did not prove a thing about being a head coach by everyones admission that the D fell apart and Hue was “powerless” to do much about it. Will make for an interesting interview question
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Chuck Brez was not my choice, I will get it fixed and Reggie will get me the players. Long Live Al Davis, Raider Nation, Let’s Roll.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
“GoodOle00 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Sullivan = Ricochet, RMR, Method and million other stupid troll tags. I’m all for a ban on this aholes IP adresses”
I think everyone here would agree with you 100%
Now lets pass that around for signatures right away!
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Method, Rich, and RMR are 3 diffrent people…
The cloner works for Contra Costa Times…
January 6th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
What’s up Thec? What’s good brother? Excited about the McKenzie hire!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Dknight,
I don’t think Hue did anything all that remarkable to warrant a guaranteed next year.
If Al Davis was still here, I would be 100% behind keeping Hue.
But….the situation isnt that way and the Raiders should use this opportunity to take an entire fresh look at this without being bogged down by last year.
I don’t think Hue is a head coach….he’s an offensive coordinator. I also think McKenzie has a right to put his own guy there….in fact I would prefer it
January 6th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
While McKenzie may not make a bunch of first-year splashes in Oakland, his team doesn’t really need more than some tweaking and in-house improvements.
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Hire a NEW DCO
Fix the D starting with the trench…
Configure the Trechmen to stop the RUN…
Configure the Trechmen to put HEAT on the QB….
January 6th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
What’s up Thec? What’s good brother? Excited about the McKenzie hire!
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Wats Good Bro? Very excited, was on last night when the news broke. Doubt if Coach Jackson is going anywhere however, If Mr. Mckenzie wants to purge the staff I am ok with it…
January 6th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Agreed, Thec!
January 6th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Gotta get the D fixed no matter if remain in a 4-3 or switch to a 3-4. Need guys who are intelligent, and can play….
VOTE NO ON DEFENSIVE PROSPECTS PROJECTS OR REACHERS
January 6th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Signing Carson Palmer might prove Hue’s best job security action
January 6th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
The way the team finished down the stretch was unacceptable to me….regardless of the raggedy defense.
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The Denver game was the most agregious loss on several fronts, starting tebow mania, confrence head to head, and playoff implications.
The D grade for this year should be FF-
January 6th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Thec,
Losing to Tim Tebow and his 3 points per game doesn’t sit right with me.
That’s why I want a house cleaning on the coaching staff.
January 6th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Signing Carson Palmer might prove Hue’s best job security action
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hahahahahaaha…Or his Doom…
January 6th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
Too bad little Wolf won’t be joining McKenzie in Oaktown. However, I think players aren’t the only talent McKenzie evaluates. . .
Now that defense. . .
January 6th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
We may have some unexpected pieces on the trading block
so that we can get better…
School is over, this is not college, Raiders will have zero need for scholarship players…
January 6th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Dknight,
I don’t think Hue did anything all that remarkable to warrant a guaranteed next year.
If Al Davis was still here, I would be 100% behind keeping Hue.
But….the situation isnt that way and the Raiders should use this opportunity to take an entire fresh look at this without being bogged down by last year.
I don’t think Hue is a head coach….he’s an offensive coordinator. I also think McKenzie has a right to put his own guy there….in fact I would prefer it
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Reggie will keep, or fire Hue, at HIS discretion.
Let’s see how it shakes out.
Hue needs to take a reality check, correct Himself, and understand that His job is to coach the Team.
If Reggie likes what Hue brings to the table…great.
If not…we move on.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Thec,
Losing to Tim Tebow and his 3 points per game doesn’t sit right with me.
That’s why I want a house cleaning on the coaching staff.
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That loss epitimized the season…If Mr. McKenzie wants to redo the whole coaching staff he will have my support 100%….
January 6th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I just hope he evaluates ALL the players….
VOTE NO ON COLLEGE SCHOLARSHIPS IN THE NFL
January 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I wonder if Coach Jackson was part of the GM interview process?
January 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I wonder if Coach Jackson was part of the GM interview process?
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My guess…….No
Why should He be?
January 6th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
Raider offseaon theme music in the front office…maybe from Trask’s office…during the GM interview process
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z0uRDtUsSYY&feature=related
January 6th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I wonder if Coach Jackson was part of the GM interview process?
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My guess…….No
Why should He be?
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From Coach Jackson’s own mouth ” he would like to be”
January 6th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
As things have played out, I think the RAIDERS were intent on hiring Reggie from the start.
Hue was not a part of the plan.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I would agree, and the endorsment from Madden,Wolf, and everoine else closed the deal.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Thec…if the team has a lot of penalties…they better be a bunch crazed animals…..to have the penalties and be pushovers???????????
January 6th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I wonder if Coach Jackson was part of the GM interview process?
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My guess…….No
Why should He be?
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From Coach Jackson’s own mouth ” he would like to be”
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I’ve read that quote Thec, but ……
“would like to be”, and actually being, as you know are two different things.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I would agree, and the endorsment from Madden,Wolf, and everoine else closed the deal.
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Yes.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Thec…if the team has a lot of penalties…they better be a bunch crazed animals…..to have the penalties and be pushovers???????????
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That quote from you reminds me of the LT quote…the real LT as in Lawrence Taylor….
Our guys on the D played with littte passion, now did we have a bonifide playmaker…
With All the money the team spent on the D you would of thougt some of those guys would step up….
Nope
January 6th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
This D was the worst in the history of the Raiders IMO… I would be okay with firing everyon that side of the ball, including the Denfesive water boys/ ball boys, trainers for the defense…
I would even pull up the grass on the defensive side of the practive field and replace it…
Anything related to that debacle needs to hit the bricks…
January 6th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
SnB, where are you with respect to the D, do you want to stay 4-3, or switch to 3-4?
January 6th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Thec,
For me, “I” would prefer a strong head coach that understands enough to manage all sides of the ball, but is a stickler for preparation and discipline.
Get two good coordinators that spend all their time and effort on scheme, game planning and game day execution
I want a head coach that pulls it all together, roots out the B.S, sets the tone for coaches and players and is in lock step with the GM.
Hue wasn’t a Sean Payton or the coach up in Green Bay….he gave the Raiders a decent offense…but hard to say it was extraordinarily great and clearly he didn’t know enough about the other side of the ball to get it to stupid
January 6th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Thec,
Don’t care much about whether its 3-4 or 4-3. I personally think that debate is a red herring.
Some great defenses have been 4-3 like Giants, Vikings a couple of years back, Bengals were good, Lions etc..
And some 3-4 defenses are terrible.
Its more important that the coordinator knows his defense well and the GM gets players to fit the scheme.
And the head coach gets the defense to not jump offsides 5 times a game
January 6th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
No Raiders on All-Pro team
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What, should we have had 6 All Pro’s? We went 1-4 to end.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I wonder if Coach Jackson was part of the GM interview process?
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No.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Those of you who hated Hue for being an affront to Al’s philosophy, you’re going to be wishing Hue was in charge in a couple of years. You won’t even recognize this team. I’m telling you, if you’re the type of fan that prioritizes Davis’s way over winning, you’re going to be one upset fan. Because It’s all about winning now.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Been gone for a couple of weeks,Happy New Years everyone.Indeed it is happier with todays news.SnB,in defense of HJ,did he have the authority to make wholesale changes on the “D”-ie. getting rid of Bresnahan?
January 6th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
It is about winning now. Not posturing and doing media sessions every day while the defense burns.
Reggie Mckensie will get to the bottom of this and figure it out soon enough.
Lotta bad tape the last 5 or 6 weeks…….
January 6th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
That (Denver) loss epitomized the season…If Mr. McKenzie wants to redo the whole coaching staff he will have my support 100%….
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Yep. Defensive/Special Teams collapse in the second half. Offense scored enough to win, and even a mediocre defense puts that game away, and the Buffalo game, and the Lions game. Those right there would put us at 11-5, good enough for the #3 seed in the AFC. Hue absolutely made mistakes this year, as ALL rookie (and even Veteran) HCs do. People complain about his risk taking, but also complained about Cables LACK of risk taking, but neglect the fact that Hue HAD to take those risks to cover for what he KNEW to be the worst defense in football. It wasn’t simple adjustments that were needed, there was a major fundamental flaw in our defense this year, which was exacerbated by Al’s death and Chuckie B trying to change the whole scheme midseason.
Reggie’s first order of business, is to change the culture of this organization. We HAVE to become a media friendly modern organization. This is not a slap in the face of Al Davis, but contrary it is living up to his ideal. Just Win, Baby. Becoming modern forward thinking team will attract the types of coaches and players this franchise so desperately needs. It will put the franchise in position to get the new stadium it needs IN OAKLAND, and enable it to generate the revenue to compete at every level of the NFL (I don’t just mean ON the field). Reggie needs to FINALLY hold this entire organization to its most famous motto, “Commitment to Excellence”
The future is bright for the Silver and Black gentleman. Hang on for the ride and you will be rewarded by seeing this team finally rise from the ashes and reclaim its rightful place at the peak of the NFL.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Last 5 or 6 weeks?Hell,it started at the beginning of the year in Denver then Buffalo.Remember,we had a big lead the Monday night opener and almost blew that one too.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
Lefty,
Welcome back….Happy New Year indeed. Mark Davis saw to that.
Did Hue have total authority over Bresnahan? I would think after week 4 he did.
I have never thought much of the defense for a long time….what I sits wrong with me is the two duds that were laid out in Green Bay and Miami…I also thought the team as a whole finished weak down the stretch.
It was enough for me to think that Hue couldn’t get the team up AND he didn’t have the wherewithal to manage the ENTIRE team.
Personally, I would like to see two strong Cooridinators and let the Head Coach manage the team, drive discipline, penalties and making sure that the game plans are right.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Lefty,
Even though the team lost that Buffalo game, I was there, I still think the team was dialed in for the most part.
The last 6 weeks (with the playoffs on the line) the team looked lethargic….didn’t look like fighters when it was allon on the line. I said after the Miami or Green Bay game that I just wanted to see a strong finish….not necessarily in the win loss…but in how the team fought…
Just my opinion…nothing to back it up
January 6th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Those of you who hated Hue for being an affront to Al’s philosophy, you’re going to be wishing Hue was in charge in a couple of years. You won’t even recognize this team. I’m telling you,
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If you are as good at predicting the future as you think you are, which you’re not, maybe you should focus on gold, bank stocks, commodities, and oil future, not Hue “Dead Man” Walking.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Hue wasn’t a Sean Payton or the coach up in Green Bay….he gave the Raiders a decent offense…but hard to say it was extraordinarily great and clearly he didn’t know enough about the other side of the ball to get it to stupid
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You have no idea if Hue is the type of guy to be able to do that. The culture of this organization would never have allowed that, and just because Al died mid-season doesn’t mean you can just flip a switch. Hue deserves the opportunity to prove that he CAN be the coach this team needs, under NORMAL NFL operating procedures. If he isn’t the guy, or can’t do it then by all means he needs to go. The shortsighted opinions of fans, and will not play any part in determining that.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
@Bcz24
Well said.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
It was said when the old man died that Mark said he hated firing people.I wonder if that could have some bearing as to why Bresnahan was allowed to hold the DC position all year.That and the fact that since AD had loaded the defense with inexperienced assistants there was no one capable of taking over.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
Bcz24,
Improving upon JaBustus is not that big a deal
January 6th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I said nothing about the Italians inventing electricity you FK’ng clown.
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There isn’t electricity in the dumpster where you live. So don’t concern yourself with it.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
240.Seymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
One of the really good parts of this is Reggie McKenzie has already seen the 2011 Raiders up close and personal. He should be able to evaluate the team and the coaching staff in minutes. Just go back to the Green Bay game and watch us go down 31-0 in the lst 25 minutes and hopefully he sees all he needs to see of Hue Jackson, Bresnahah and company.
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If that’s true than that horrid game in Green Bay was not a good audition.
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Unfortunateley, it was an EXCELLENT audition.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
SnB….The Miami “performance” is the one that I personally labeled Pathetic.
I was at the KC game. Gave the Team a pass.
I was at the Detroit game, and KNEW (hoping against hope) that Detroit was going to score from their own 2 yard line.
Let’s fix the Defense, and shore up the O line, and win a Super Bowl.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I personally believe HJ should stay at least 1 more year.However,if McKenzie sees things differently,he is the new GM and I’d be fine with any changes deems necessary.After all,he will be judged by what happens from now on.If he doesn’t feel comfortable with HJ,so be it.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Lefty,
We will never know. But I also don’t like the fact the penalties and dumb plays never went away this season.
I personally believe Hue proved himself to be a fairly decent offensive coordinator.
Head Coach is a different thing all together.
If the coaching search was starting from 0….is Hue the number 1 or number 2 candidate? I don’t know the answer…but Reggie does.
And that will determine if Hue is here beyond next week.
Had that Raider team fought, looked better, perhaps kicked a field goal instead of going for it on 4th all the time…..it would be easy to say keep going.
But this team, for better or worse, imploded, dragged its azz down the stretch and missed the playoffs to Tim Tebow — never have an easier path to the playoffs than this year..
January 6th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
I think it is irresponsible of you guys to neglect the fact that this team was RAVAGED by major injuries all season long. There was not ONE single game where all 11 offensive and defensive starters were on the field together. Not even preseason. This team could very easily have collapsed back to a 4-12 team, and while 8-8 is a disappointment to the members of the Raider Nation, to an objective observer 8-8 is a pretty solid showing. We had guys STARTING in the secondary that wouldn’t make the rosters of half the teams in the NFL. That isn’t on Hue, he didn’t build this team. I know I know… ‘injuries are an excuse’… blah blah blah. NO TEAM had the level of injuries we had and were more successful. I know people love to prop up the Texans, but they were a .500 club after they lost Schaub, and that is the BEST example to the contrary you can give me. Every other team completely collapsed with even close to the injuries we had.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Yo Ya’ll
It is no coincidence.
After the SD loss, Hue was mighty pissed. Called it out he was gonna have his hand all over the organization.
HHmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm
Wonder how that sat with Amy and Mark?
Well, they bring in a kick some ass dude for GM. He’s the boss now.
But glad Hue will have a football guy to go to. Hue solo ain’t gonna cut it. But Hue and GM McKenzie will.
Odds of penalties decreasing next season: 10-1
This is a no bull add and I approve this message.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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If there was ANY doubt that MR posts as Albert and others. This is what happens when you have three or four windows open.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
SnB….The Miami “performance” is the one that I personally labeled Pathetic.
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Lambeau wasn’t pathetic? We were out of the game in 20 minutes.
January 6th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
SnB,as most said with Cable before him,HJ was wearing too many hats.I’d much rather see him just manage the games than call plays.I like his offense philosophy.He made some boneheaded decisions,but they all do-even the genius Belicheck.Having an OC with the same philosophy calling plays would be fine with me.After all,the offense didn’t keep us out of the play-offs,it was clearly the defense-or should I say lack of it.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Hue can build that bully bully now cause the riff raff gonna be gone and the D will blow some socks off.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
After the SD loss, Hue was mighty pissed. Called it out he was gonna have his hand all over the organization
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I think Hue’s comments about this are WAY overblown. To me he told us he wasn’t just going to be an offensive coach next year, he was going to participate and contribute to the defense and special teams in a much different and stronger way than he did this season. To the Hue haters, the common opinion was that Hue said he was going to fire every single employee on the team, snap the ball to himself and throw himself touchdown passes a la Mr Perfect.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
It’s too bad that Lechler and Janokowski weren’t selected for the All-pro team. Anyway, Akers from the 49′ers kicked 41 FGs this season while Jano kicked 29. Plus Akers percentage of misses was less than Jano. Plus the 9′ers Andy Lee out punted Shane in all percentage categories.
Our kickers are great kickers and the reason they loom so large in Raiders fans minds is because they are the only talented players on the roster who have performed well for years. Also, most importantly, the 9′ers are 13 and 3, which we will BE soon, now the Stank AL crapped his dongis, and departed this world (THANK GOD FOR SMALL MIRACLES.)
Now back to queery Hue. Was fag fired yet ? If not too bad. He is a lying, cheating, crap eating, jizz making bastard who has ripped off the fans and the Nation, WITH HIS BULLCRAP.
By the way, I heard Hue was seen on top of Sandusky face down in the team showers.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
472. I think that is exactly the case.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
SnB….The Miami “performance” is the one that I personally labeled Pathetic.
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Lambeau wasn’t pathetic? We were out of the game in 20 minutes.
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Com’on man, the 98 and 99 & 1/2 were like as pathetic as it gets. Well, Buffalo collapse was pathetic, so was not takin the 3. But true true, miami and gb were butt ugly pathetic. The entire D was pathetic. Now that you think about it, the D was really pathetic. Sad, sad sad. Denver owes us for gettin them that extra game in the playoffs. But that in itself is pathetic. But maybe that is the best thing that coulda happened, cuz we gonna be bona-fide come next season.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Fantastic Bastard Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
Hue can build that bully bully now cause the riff raff gonna be gone and the D will blow some socks off.
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Hue said we were going to the playoffs. Hue we were going to win the division. Hue said we were going to build a bully. Hue said we were going to stop the run game. Hue said he would get the penalties under control. None of those things happened. Not one. And you all trust this guy why now?
January 6th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
One positive thing came out of losing to the Chargers: Norvell still is the coach of that GARBAGE FRANCHISE!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
We got a new D cordinator yet?
January 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
My main gripe with HJ was the way he seemed to take his foot off the pedal in the 2nd half of games.We were outscored in the 2nd half by an unbelievable margin.A lot of that was on the ‘D’ but the offense was often stagnant in the 2nd half of games.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
My main gripe with HJ was the way he seemed to take his foot off the pedal in the 2nd half of games.We were outscored in the 2nd half by an unbelievable margin.A lot of that was on the ‘D’ but the offense was often stagnant in the 2nd half of games.
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Lack of faith in yourself and the players.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
SnB….The Miami “performance” is the one that I personally labeled Pathetic.
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Lambeau wasn’t pathetic? We were out of the game in 20 minutes.
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Sure.
I can live with getting blown out by the Packers.
I didn’t like it, but Miami…to me was a “no mas” event.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Hue said we were going to the playoffs. Hue we were going to win the division. Hue said we were going to build a bully. Hue said we were going to stop the run game. Hue said he would get the penalties under control. None of those things happened. Not one. And you all trust this guy why now?
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WTF did you EXPECT this guy to say? ‘Hey Raider Nation, hate to inform you but, half of this teams roster is UFL level trash, and 35% of our salary cap is being wasted on under-performing slouches. The teams football IQ is somewhere south of mentally retarded. This is a middling team, that will be mediocre on its best days, and flash signs of brilliance, but most often will just leave you angry by their lack of physical and mental toughness.” Yeah… that would have sat well, but hey at least Hue wouldn’t have been a ‘liar’.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
I’m behind Reggie 100%. My guess is Hue will get another season to right the ship. As long as we get a good DC, my money is on the Oakland Raiders and Hue to come out smelling like roses next season!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Our D unit was the biggest rash this team had this year. One big itchy red rash. All scratch. A rash that was irritating and at times down right annoying. If Chucky B comes back, he will be the king of the red rash defense.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
If Mark is afraid of firing people I hope he calls me at 1-800-DUMP HUE. I’ll be glad, free of charge to fire them all, roster schlubs and coashes alike, leading with my ax handle across the face.
The one I most want to fire (besides Hue) is the ebony sub-moron McClain. Just looking at that sluffed off chin and beady animals eyes, with that cheesy goatee works me into a frenzy. My pet chickens have more intelligence than that idiot. He’s stupider than JaMarcus. At least JaMarcus had some humbleness about him and knew his IQ was one less than 70. The depth of dispair, calling McClain captain of the defense. And his arrogant, standoffish attitude; swore up and down he would never do a press interview again after the “incident”, then did one a few days later noting that his mother said he was playing very well.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Im curious to see McKenzie’s evaluation of McClain.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
To me the GB game was more telling. The players and the organization want to know how they stack up against the very best. GB was even better at getting off the bus than we were. And we could not compete with them at any level once both teams got in the stadium.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I am tired of this BS about “Hue lying.” Every coach is a liar if you look at it that way. Harbaugh said Alex Smith is a Pro Bowl QB. That’s a lie. The bottom line is the coach is trying to instill confidence in his players and team. Our players on defense haven’t responded for 9 consecutive years, mostly because they’ve been coached by losers and the players on defense are mostly losers!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Maybe McKenzie will have someone throw a kilo of powder in McClain’s automobile, then call the cops. Than would take care of the problem, and save the Raiders a whole bunch of paychecks.
#495…..good post !
January 6th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
The last 9 seasons of Oakland Raiders defense: no leadership, no discipline, no brains, NO HEART!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
WTF did you EXPECT this guy to say?
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Professional athletes are lied to their entire lives. Recruiters will tell them that they are going to start and no one one else is being recruited at their position and once they sign their letter of intent, and show up, then 9 other guys were recruited at their exact position. Every one at this level are grown ups. I am a grown up. The players are grown ups. We went 6-0 in the division under Cable and kicked the opponents asses. If you are going to tell us we are going to win the division, win the freaking division. Don’t BS them and us.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
504. We also went 2-8 outside the division under Cable. What’s the explanation for that Mr. Hue Hater?
January 6th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I am tired of this BS about “Hue lying.” Every coach is a liar if you look at it that way. Harbaugh said Alex Smith is a Pro Bowl QB. That’s a lie.
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It’s not about Hue “lying”. It’s about having credibility with your players and your fans. If you say you are going to throw the ball 50 times in a game, and you throw it 10 times, no one believes you. So,the next week when you tell your players you know how to go to Lambeau and beat the world champs, no one believes you.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Every coach says the same BS,just in different ways.The talk and talk but never say anything.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Seymour, I agree with you to a certain extent. Hue could have said we are going to fight like heck to win this division, and be more humble. This was his style and you don’t like it. It bothers a lot of people. I still believe he’s done enough positive things to get a 2nd year as Head Coach.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
504. We also went 2-8 outside the division under Cable. What’s the explanation for that Mr. Hue Hater?
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of Those 8 losses, 6 or 7 came to teams that either were in the playoff last year of this year, in other words, those losses were to good teams. We REALLY needed to build on last year. That was CRUCIAL for this franchise to improve on last year. We didn’t.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Media Relations: john hererra. Why was everyone worried he was gonna be the next GM? WTH
Now he could be the new DC, but never worried bout him getting the gm job.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Seymour, I agree with you to a certain extent. Hue could have said we are going to fight like heck to win this division, and be more humble. This was his style and you don’t like it. It bothers a lot of people. I still believe he’s done enough positive things to get a 2nd year as Head Coach.
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Most do believe he deserves another year. I don’t. I am in the minority. I accept that.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Yea, and nobody expected DMAC to be out most of the sesason, and to lose our average QB for most of the season with his young receivers in and out of the lineup for most of the season. NOBODY could have done better with the worst DEFENSE IN RAIDER HISTORY!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
396.Dakota Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Mckenzie, the honeymoon period is over. Where are the wins?
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Yeah. Other teams are preparing for their playoff games and McKenzie is twiddling his thumbs.
Fire his pathetic azz.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:36 pm
Just be positive, Seymour. We will get a better DC, and hopefully pick up a top tier linebacker and safety in free agency. I trust that we will also try to get another guard on the offensive line. You just have to believe this team is moving in the RIGHT direction.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Beach,playing devils advocate,as head coach,shouldn’t he take some of the responsibility for the defense being soooooo bad.That is what everyone said last year when Cable was in charge-he was the head guy-it was his responsibility.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
513. Easy, you don’t want to get on Reggie’s bad side!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Amen. At least we agree on something.
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Ahh, we agree on a lot of things. At this time of the year things get testy. Did you see Brady and his OC in each others faces a couple of weeks ago? It’s good to have a passion about the game and winning games. No hard feelings.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
has mckenzie fired hue yet?
January 6th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
Hue said we were going to the playoffs. Hue we were going to win the division. Hue said we were going to build a bully. Hue said we were going to stop the run game. Hue said he would get the penalties under control. None of those things happened. Not one. And you all trust this guy why now?
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I believe that it is better for a head coach to talk about expectations instead of making predictions. Say the things that the team will do to reach those goals. We’re going to prepare a certain way to execute a certain way to reach certain goals etc.
Leave the crystal ball predictions to the commentators and fans. Injuries, death, arrests, unforseen ineptitude of staff and players… There are too many uncontrollable possibilities that affect the outcome of a season to risk losing credibility. Expectations can change with circumstances but predictions can’t.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
Man, is that true everybody was panicking hererra was gonna be the new GM? wow, the thought never crossed my mind. He probably wouldn’t have been a very good gm, not for lack of effort, but inexperience. Course he’s been around for like forever and probably has picked up on the ins and outs of g-emming. how hard can it be. But glad he didn’t get the job anyway.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I wouldn’t count on making many big splashes in free agency.McKenzie is a groom your own talent guy.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
We get a new defense cordinator yet?
January 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Lefty, sure he can be blamed for not correcting the penalties on that side of the ball. I’m siding with Hue because he was forced into a GM role for the season, on top of his Head Coach duties. He had too much on his plate. I think in his mind he thought he could handle everything, but he couldn’t. That’s the way I see it.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Lefty, sure he can be blamed for not correcting the penalties on that side of the ball. I’m siding with Hue because he was forced into a GM role for the season, on top of his Head Coach duties. He had too much on his plate. I think in his mind he thought he could handle everything, but he couldn’t. That’s the way I see it.
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You got a good point. Hue had a awful lot on his plate. But I’ll bet ya this. He manned up to a lot of task. He had some big balls and his underwear were made out of burlap type responsibilities.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:44 pm
I may be naive, but I think Hue has his heart in making the Oakland Raiders Super Bowl Champions again!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Hue has set the bar high again for our team, and that is a very good thing, imo!
January 6th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
First order of business for Mr. Mckenzie is to fire any and everyone who had anything to do with that defense. NO ONE SHOULD BE SPARED…including the waterboy, or the defensive practice field
January 6th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
I wouldn’t count on making many big splashes in free agency.McKenzie is a groom your own talent guy.
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Exactly. Other than future Hall of Famer Charles Woodson who they took coincidentally from the Raiders, they believe in home grown talent. And look at who they get, like Clay Mathews. Mathews was a good college player. Not tremendous, but good. He was projected to be a decent player. Well, he is very very good player. In 2010 the one game in Lambeau he didn’t play in, they lost. So, their philosophy is they are not drafting athletes, they are drafting football players. Sounds good to me.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Whats up Left? Happy new year, hope all is well.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
I’m as ticked as alot of you with Hue not coming through on ANY claims he made and if this was his third year or even his second year I would say FIRE HIM ASAP, but…i worry what message that sends to other potential players and coaches that we knee jerk and change coaches every year.
8-8 sucks cuz we know if the defense wasn’t the worst we’ve seen by ANY team in the last 20 years we win the division and we’re not having this conversation, but…it’s just embarrassing to fire your HC every dang year and it makes us look like we’re still dysfunctional.
Image is important. I’d rather the Raider image be more “pride and poise” than an org. with a self conscious low identity.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
With our lack of picks for the 2012 draft I would expect some of the moving parts we do have will be up for trade…
I would ask all NFL teams who on the D they would like to have, and get picks for them…Eveyone is up for being moved on the D side of the ball….
January 6th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
beach Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Lefty, sure he can be blamed for not correcting the penalties on that side of the ball.
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Football teams are evidentially going to be an on the field reflection of their coach. And our was: we were a disorganized bunch of blow hards that mouthed off and under achieved.
January 6th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
8-8 sucks cuz we know if the defense wasn’t the worst we’ve seen by ANY team in the last 20 years
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We lost to the disc at HOME, with playing pitts this weekend on the line…Still ccan’t beleive the season is over, BTW will not watch the playoffs
January 6th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
Lets hope Davis, Trask, McKenzie, Jackson & the new DC (Dick LeBeau 2.0) can work well together successfully for many many years to come.
Stability is necessary.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Hey,Thec,Happy New Year.Was gone for a couple of weeks,got home today,and heard the good news.Actually was hoping while catching up to read Bresnahan was fired,but that will surely happen soon.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:01 am
527.Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
First order of business for Mr. Mckenzie is to fire any and everyone who had anything to do with that defense. NO ONE SHOULD BE SPARED…including the waterboy, or the defensive practice field
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I agree with you. That is dead on how i feel about that POS defense that ruined my football enjoyment.
The only one I would save is Woodson if only for the fact he’d be like Sapp and take out his revenge every chance he gets on NFLN.
Plus, even though the secondary SUCKED, i can’t believe Woodson does not have something to offer this team.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Thec07 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
With our lack of picks for the 2012 draft I would expect some of the moving parts we do have will be up for trade…
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Add compensatory picks and Raiders will have much more selections on draft day than presently.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:03 am
531. I’m sure McKenzie will look at options, perhaps trading Richard Seymour (not singling him out, but he probably has the most trade value).
January 7th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I was hoping, like all of us, that this team could make the playoffs. I think we have real evidence now in bringing in Reggie McKenzie as GM that Mark Davis is serious about turning our fortunes around!
January 7th, 2012 at 12:07 am
Djohnny,
The players likely most open to eisma rod’s instruction were the rookies and newbies, and by all accounts, van dyke, chekwa, and gio made more progress than the veteran dbs.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I agree with you. That is dead on how i feel about that POS defense that ruined my football enjoyment.
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Brother, the above comment 100% truth.
Since the loss, I cannot listen to sports radio, nor do I go to nfl.com… when we are not playing football, and sports flat out suc….
January 7th, 2012 at 12:10 am
Biekert and Woodson have no experience coaching. I have no problem bringing in a PROVEN DC, like Nolan, who can bring in his own people.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:11 am
If, for no other reason, but as a vestige of Stank AL’s taint, Hue must be dismissed.
AL lost his greatness after the 1983 SuperBowl win when he discovered that he could make more money prosecuting lawsuits than winning football games.
Except for the Gruden anomoly, the Raiders have been in the bottom dregs of the NFL for several decades. AL should have been expelled from the league years ago. His minority owners/partners should have maintained an action against him for oppression, and expunged him from the partnership. AL didn’t own the Raiders, but carried a 60% interest, and did what he wanted, no matter the bad faith breach of fiduciary duty to his partners.
Now, fortunately, Stank AL has died. The thing the Raiders need to do is attenuate Stank AL’s taint and purge everything AL associated with the organization beleaguered by that taint.
Unfortunately, Hue falls into that category, not to mention he is total inept.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Left, good to hear it Bruh. Bres will be gone soon enough, I would hope that he takes everything concerning the D with him to football oblivion as he will never coach again in the NFL.
I want the whole unit blown apart, spare no one, no matter the CAP implications…
January 7th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Reggie may have to fire Hue. After thinking about it, there’s only one way for Hue to save what will probably be his only chance to be a coach/GM in the NFL, and that’s to drive McKenzie so crazy he’ll quit. Remember Hue does have that “Al chose me” thing going for him, too. The more I think about it the more I realize we have to start from scratch. Hue is shrewd. I didn’t mind it when it was him vs. Al’s lackeys but now that it’s him vs. a real GM? I’m going with the GM. I hope I’m wrong.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:14 am
I saw a clip of Woodson miked up on the sideline telling someone to “look back at the ball” and holding his hands up in frustration.
I’d hate to see us give up on a possible gem. Plus, I just like the guy. Always have.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:17 am
I’ll always have respect for Hue though because if he hadn’t taken charge and made the move for Palmer? Boller would have been our starter and we’d be something like 5-11. Then everyone would be calling for his head just for being hapless. There’s a lot of smart Raider fans but there’s enough dumb ones to stand out, and they make the Oakland HC job tougher than it has to be. It’s a thankless job. Damned if you do, damned if you don’t.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:18 am
545. I think Hue is less stubborn than you give him credit. He will work will Reggie. He may not always agree with him, but I predict it will be a fine working relationship.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:21 am
I am sorry, Woodson must be dismissed. I have a great love of his playing performance; he truly was the best CB ever.
But he can’t coach. This entire season I saw our CBs running along side various receivers and when the ball reached same receiver’s hands, Raider CBs did nothing. If one has speed and athletic talent, one can run with the receiver, observe his body language attuned to the ball coming. When the receiver’s body language indicates the ball is near, the CB should turn toward the receiver, looking back to the ball, and simply get a hand up. Obviously, Rod Woodson was an abject failure at imparting that simple concept to his CBs.
I saw it time and again last week: the Raider CBs shadowed the Bolt’s receivers down the field, with little or separation from those receivers, and rarely even attempted to make a play or get a hand up on the ball. I was shocked. No wonder Rivers literally picked us apart.
And by the way I predicted 3 weeks in advance the Bolts prevail in last Sunday’s game.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:26 am
Hue will work with Reggie, I meant.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:27 am
#546 maybe you are correct; Woodson tried and even though the lights were on, his tutelage fell on deaf ears. I suppose Bill Callahan said it best, “Dumbest team in America.”
January 7th, 2012 at 12:30 am
” Touch me and I’ll Sue”,TIM Kawakami
January 7th, 2012 at 12:32 am
If you watch ” Turning point” featuring the Raiders Woodson was coaching up the Cbs and telling them what was coming . He also deserved another shot.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:34 am
Sullivan44 #547 I knows it’s been a hard night for you Sully, but you are simply wrong. If you want a pimp as head coach, fine. However, I have been a Raider fan long before you were even a cumshot on your Moma’s sheet and I’ll tell you that the idea of the Raiders being a playoff caliber team this year, is total nonsense. “Building a Bully” is total nonsense too, since bullies always get beat up badly in the end or run from trouble they caused like the yellow dogs they are.
Hue is a bully. Funny, since McKenzie was hired you’ve heard nothing from Hue the Magnificient at all; not even a peep.
And BTW, did you hear Hue and Sandusky were seen naked from the waist down in the Raider’s locker room ??
January 7th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Any chance Bresnahan stays as an asst. other than the DC role?
He wasn’t hired as the DC in the first place, so I wonder if he’d accept a lesser role.
Not that I want him to.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:49 am
djohnnyg Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:04 am
Any chance Bresnahan stays as an asst. other than the DC role?
He wasn’t hired as the DC in the first place, so I wonder if he’d accept a lesser role.
Not that I want him to.
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They may not axe him at all. If they were going to, it would have been done by now. Hue wants a ‘kiss and make up’ relationship to work with his coaches for another season. Firing them endorses the fact they flat out sucked, a credit to Hue.
Now with this new GM, he not only will get in Chucky Bs’ face, he’ll get in the face of the defense too. I’m afraid Chucky B and his nasty D are here to stay. Yikes.
We know the defense and the d staff sucked big ass. And it looked as tho some of them even got off on it. But knowing Hue and maybe even management, they see this as an opportunity to not only get better, but to prove that these hires were the right choice.
Its fcked up, no doubt. You know it, I know it, and they know it. But I’m afraid they see it different. Firing the D staff makes them, in their eyes, look like they soiled themselves, and they don’t want to admit it, even tho Hue alluded to it. But everything he said he’d do, he hasn’t.
Look for the entire coaching staff to remain status quo.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:01 am
keep your mouths shut.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:12 am
I am happy we got a GM, and one with quite a few endorsements, BUT this guy has yet to make a single decision as GM of any team. Heres to hoping he is Wolf 2.0
January 7th, 2012 at 3:41 am
554,you come up with some sick crap on ALMOST every post,JUNK,in fact,total scumbag,IMO,small one
January 7th, 2012 at 3:42 am
Ron Wolfe recommends him and John Madden and Mark Davis interview him.
That’s about as good as it gets.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 am
554=junk
January 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am
560,ENGLANDRAIDER,How are ya?Youre right,some more changes are about to happen,tho!RAIDERS!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:08 am
Incredibly happy with the Mckenzie hire!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:09 am
562.hendu Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:54 am
560,ENGLANDRAIDER,How are ya?Youre right,some more changes are about to happen,tho!RAIDERS!
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I’m good Hendu and you’re right, good things are about to happen.
I think maybe #554 IS MR and he’s just arguing with himself. He does that.
But it is crap.
Basically, McKenzie was assistant to the GB GM so he should know what he’s doing
Let’s hope the guy has the necessary power because I don’t want to watch a spitting contest between Reggie and Hue.
I’m out, heading to the town and then lunch at the pub.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:24 am
564,take care,and have a COLD one,on mr!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:40 am
554=mr= JUNK
January 7th, 2012 at 5:08 am
whoever the new dc is going to be just might want retain/rehire Woodson anyway; he was simply Ross’ assistant.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:34 am
For those pro-Hue here’s a good article by Schefter for you…
http://espn.go.com/nfl/story/_/page/10spot-wildcard/impatient-owners-allow-coaches-develop–adam-schefter-10-spot
January 7th, 2012 at 5:36 am
Fiiiiiiiine, i’ll paste it…
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Three years ago, the NFL found itself in a similar position to where it is today. In the days following black Monday, teams scrambled to hire head coaches to replace the ones they fired.
Cleveland hired Eric Mangini, Denver tabbed Josh McDaniels, Indianapolis named Jim Caldwell, Kansas City hired Todd Haley and Oakland named Tom Cable. St. Louis hired Steve Spagnuolo, San Francisco tabbed Mike Singletary, Seattle named Jim Mora, Tampa Bay hired Raheem Morris, Detroit announced Jim Schwartz and the New York Jets hired Rex Ryan.
The coaching class of 2009 has hardly distinguished itself. Of the 11 men hired to be the answer a mere three years ago, only three remain on the job, and one of those, Caldwell, still is on shaky ground. Otherwise, NFL owners have treated head coaches as if they were as disposable as yesterday’s newspaper.
Something is wrong here.
In a society that craves results now, in a world that demands excellence every day, head coaches rarely are allowed the time they need to grow into the job and master it. Reminders of it come every year at this time. Head coaches are fired, head coaches are hired and the coaching carousel spins without producing in the ways NFL owners had hoped.
Every NFL owner who recently changed head coaches, or still is considering it, also needs to study his sport’s history.
Hall of Fame coach Tom Landry did not make the playoffs until his seventh season as a head coach and he didn’t win his first NFL playoff game until his eighth season in Dallas. Today he would have been fired twice over.
Hall of Fame coach Chuck Noll did not make the playoffs until his fourth season, after he had compiled a 12-30 record during his first three seasons in Pittsburgh. He never would have made it today.
Hall of Fame coach Don Shula didn’t win a playoff game until his sixth season as a head coach in Baltimore, and went 0-2 in the postseason during his first five seasons. He probably would have been fired before getting the chance to become Shula.
The rare teams with continuity — New England, Baltimore, Pittsburgh, Green Bay, New Orleans, Philadelphia and the New York Giants — are allowed to operate efficiently while taking advantage of competitors that are not. But the teams that give their head coaches time, patience and, of course, a quarterback are the ones that find themselves playing in this postseason.
In today’s world, everyone loves eating the turkey, but no one wants to wait around for it to cook. They’d rather microwave it. Unfortunately, it’s not as tasty or savory, much like the seasons some of these unstable NFL franchises continually experience.
Just last month, Dolphins owner Stephen Ross said he intends to hire a “young Don Shula.” Doesn’t every team.
The problem is, few do. Or maybe they actually do, but don’t take the time to find out.
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January 7th, 2012 at 5:40 am
To be fair tho, it’s the same now for players. Especially rookies, but even vets.
Players have to be studs within 2-3 years or they’re gone. QBs no longer really sit for years anymore like in the old days.
Just the way it is now.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:54 am
I don’t Blame Rod Woodson…I believe our young CB’s just haven’t developed instinct yet…yep, they have the speed to keep up but are not playmakers yet…. As for Routt .. I believe it was a mistake to give him that huge contract… At best Routts below average at being a playmaker…17 penalties is to many.. But if he was making plays I could live with all the flags….we need help on the corners…..
January 7th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Is chuck b fired yet?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:09 am
I hope that MacK converts us to a 3-4 defense.
That is the most important thing we need to do.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:21 am
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Is chuck b fired yet?
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Pretty much. His contract officially runs for another 8 days, but he, Biekert, Ross and Woodson have already been told they won’t be back.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:29 am
Think we land cortland finnegan? Could be a good possibility and let lito walk. That SD performance was awful!
January 7th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Finnegan is a CB you love to hate..he would fit here..very aggressive play evidence his altercations with andre johnson a few years back… would be an upgrade at this point to our secondary
January 7th, 2012 at 7:34 am
GG Says:
QBs no longer really sit for years anymore like in the old days
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Aaron Rodgers sat for three years. Those weren’t exactly the old days.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I just dont see tenn letting finegan walk though
January 7th, 2012 at 7:50 am
#577, more of an exception due to Favre refusing to retire.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:55 am
If Al were still alive, or suppose this were any other franchise and our new head coach had just gone 8-8 in his first season there is no way they’d even consider firing the head coach.
McKenzie seems like a great hire, on paper. But if he cans Hue it’s a total vanity move and I’ll instantly lose all respect for our new, rookie GM.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Reggie, make US a team that goes 15-1! Please!
January 7th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Chris In NY Says:
McKenzie seems like a great hire, on paper. But if he cans Hue it’s a total vanity move and I’ll instantly lose all respect for our new, rookie GM.
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If Hue becomes difficult to work with over the first few weeks – and indications are that Hue has always been difficult to work with – he’ll have every right to fire him.
McKenzie does not come off as a guy who does things for vanity. He seems like someone who takes a pragmatic approach to things. I don’t think he would have lasted nearly two decades in the Green Bay organization if he were prone to knee-jerk, not well thought out moves.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:11 am
That’s astoundingly short-sighted, Chris. And belligerent towards someone who has conducted his profession with the utmost class. Something that can’t be said of Hue.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:16 am
RaidingTexas,
That’s a fair point. Obviously Hue has to respect the new GM and make every effort to work together with him. But I expect McKenzie will have strong feelings one way or another on whether he wants to bring in “his own guy” and his mind will probably be pretty much made up before meeting 1 with Hue as to whether or not Hue stays.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I keep telling you guys that hue is here for at least three more seasons. him an carson are tied together as the orginization will give them time to develope
A healthy DMAC an we be gearin up for piit @ home this week
you have to give hue this opportunity. this was Al’s roster of players. now he will have someone with some clear since to work with.
I think he can be successful..
Point Blank
January 7th, 2012 at 8:27 am
I would love to see Finnegan in Silver N Black.
I think he wants out of Tenn. If you remember a few offseasons ago he walked out of camp for a few days because he wanted a new contract. He showed back up making up some BS it was for personal reasons, but i would def bring him in for a look!
January 7th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Routt reunited with his old self back in the slot position days.
He used to frustrate the p!ss out of me, giving up a 3rd and long without a doubt! Everyone would say he’s much better and comfotable on the outside.
Well welcome the old Routt back after he just got paid. He’s a #2 CB at best.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Whats up Nation. Glad to see we have a GM. Looks like he can start now and not have to wait till after Pack season?
January 7th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Wow,,I just read the article on coaches by Adam Schefter. That may be the most intelligent thing he’s said in a long time, and I’ve been saying it for a while. If I didn’t know any better I’d think he heard one of my conversations with my homeboys,, I’ve been sayn the biggest problem in Oakland is that the organization has been trying to bake a turkey in the microwave and we wonder why we’ve been terrible for the better part of a decade. McKenzie along with Hue,,,,,yes Hue,, will get the team back on track but it’s not going to happen yesterday. I believe Hue is smart enough to recognize the mistakes he made and correct them, and now that we have order in place his ego will be a lil more tamed,, we’ll see a different HueJax without the car salesman punchlines and numerous trick plays who will bring the Raiders into the playoffs, and all of those crying for him to be fired will be the same ones eating out of his hands. If I’m wrong,, I’ll be the first person to own up to it.
Building a Football Team
1/7/12
January 7th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Next on the to do list is hire a DC. Either Nolan or Del Rio. My preference is Del Rio.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:45 am
I’ve been to 3 Pro Football stadiums. A couple older and a newer stadium. The seating is pretty tight in all of them and they really pack people in.
So i was thinking, how in the hell does these fans that super glue spikes, skulls, dolls, and other things onto shoulder pads and costumes have any room to move around? I’d hate to be seated next to one of these guys that take up 2 seats. If i can’t drink my beer and see the game, we’re gonna have some issues.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I like Del Rio for our Dc too… But the Chefs interviewed him yesterday for the HC position…
January 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
LT Dan,,,I predicted Del Rio on 11/29/11 I think he’s more than capable, but now that McKenzie is here I can see them going after Winston Moss to get a slice of that Green Bay cheese. I’m cool with either one.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Pretty Rick, (re: Schefter’s article) the problem is that the coaching instability in Oakland is what left the team having to settle for someone of low caliber like Hue Jackson. Why not take the opportunity to start fresh with a proven head coaching candidate (I would look to the colleges – an Art Briles or something.)
Hue had never proven anything in the NFL to deserve an NFL head coaching position. He had two awful stints as OC prior to Oakland. He never kept a job long anywhere. The other coaches were always glad to see him leave.
Even his first year at OC in Oakland is suspect. It’s easy to take credit for an offense that had finally rid itself of Jamarcus Russell. Cutting that lazy POS alone explains how they went from 5-11 to 8-8. Add to it that they finally got nearly a full season out of DMac.
Like you, I’ll own up to it if I’m proven wrong. But I look at all the evidence so far and I see a guy who has no business being a head coach in this league.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Fingers Says:
I like Del Rio for our Dc too… But the Chefs interviewed him yesterday for the HC position…
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I said all along Del Rio was not going to be settling for a DC position – especially not under Hue Jackson.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Pretty Rick Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Wow,,I just read the article on coaches by Adam Schefter. That may be the most intelligent thing he’s said in a long time, and I’ve been saying it for a while. If I didn’t know any better I’d think he heard one of my conversations with my homeboys,, I’ve been sayn the biggest problem in Oakland is that the organization has been trying to bake a turkey in the microwave and we wonder why we’ve been terrible for the better part of a decade. McKenzie along with Hue,,,,,yes Hue,, will get the team back on track but it’s not going to happen yesterday. I believe Hue is smart enough to recognize the mistakes he made and correct them, and now that we have order in place his ego will be a lil more tamed,, we’ll see a different HueJax without the car salesman punchlines and numerous trick plays who will bring the Raiders into the playoffs, and all of those crying for him to be fired will be the same ones eating out of his hands. If I’m wrong,, I’ll be the first person to own up to it.
Building a Football Team
1/7/12
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And while I agree with most, this is the same Hue that said We’ll fix the porous defense? Make the players understand how important the last game of the year was? Explain to DMAC that if he doesn’t play we are a much poorer team? Fix the penalty issues? Build a bully? Have team that doesn’t Blink?
I just think he’s a used car salesman that tells people what they want to hear. I’m not saying he’s not capable, just saying I don’t believe a word he says.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Good point Texas…. Another side to that is ..maybe taking a spot under Jackson isn’t such a bad idea….if he’s retained…. Hue may not last long and today’s DC job could end up being a HC job…
January 7th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Interesting article by Schefter and good points.
Times have changed though. While it may be the right course to “let the turkey cook” there’s so much $ involved in the game now and so much reward for WINNING. Not that there wasn’t before, the stakes have just gotten so much bigger that org’s feel they don’t have to time to “wait”.
Merchandise sales seem to be directly related to how much a team wins. Look at Raiders in 2004 being the top in apparel sales; a holdover from success from Gruden era and look how far they have dropped.
Dallas appears to be the exception almost, but Jerry Jones NEEDS to field a winner, and it’s not just cuz he likes to win.
You gotta give Hue at least another year.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:58 am
I think Hue will be retained strange year for him and he is a first year hc. I am not sure anyone will hire del rio as a HC some coaches just cant make the transition from coord. like wade phillips.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
We can all hope and pray that DMAC doesn’t experience any discomfort going into next season, or that any of our key players don’t feel like playing cuz they don’t feel up to it emotionally (CJ), and let’s really hope the players aren’t too hurt by Hue not fawning over their impressive defensive performance.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Fingers Says:
Good point Texas…. Another side to that is ..maybe taking a spot under Jackson isn’t such a bad idea….if he’s retained…. Hue may not last long and today’s DC job could end up being a HC job…
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Yeah, maybe. But I’m not so sold on Del Rio. There was a good conversation on the radio the other day about head coaches that get fired – how very few of them ever turn into Super Bowl coaches.
Your odds are much better looking for guys who have put in good, stable time at coordinator/assistant HC jobs, or picking the right college head coaches.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If Hue may not last after 2012, then you’re still hiring a new HC, adding to the turnover.
Change for start of 2012, or change for start of 2013? And if you know the guy you want for HC is someone who will last 5+ years, then change now or 2013?
January 7th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Texas,,I feel ya,,BUT,,not all head coaches have marvelous track records. Who was Mike Tomlin before he came to Pittsburgh?,, a position coach,, just like Hue, and I think he’s already better than Bill Cowher ever was (who by the way I think is a tad bit overrated). Let’s not forget what our offense was like with Basic Cable,, and that infamous Bed and Breakfast offense. Most people allow their personal dislike for Hue to cause them to not recognize the impact he’s had on our offense. All Hue needs is a slice of humble pie and we’ll be good to go.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/chiefs-interview-jack-del-rio/
Chiefs interviewing del Rio
January 7th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Paul will probably drop out after Carolina. Keep your tv’s on, folks. It’s gonna be good. Those weirdos are going to go nuts.
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Stick to talking about things you know about…One of them is not politics. The other is football.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:08 am
I like paul..but he cant really help the raiders although he could have played mlb as well as rm
January 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am
The one thing I recognize about head coaches is that they’re all “used car salesmen” and they all sell the same story with the same ol’ cliches. When the team wins they’re great coaches, when the team loses they’re full of bs,, that’s just the nature of the biz. Hue is selling the same product Billichik is selling,, the only difference is the Pats are winning so the people are buying it,,the Raiders stalled out at the end so people stopped buying it.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:11 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Hue had never proven anything in the NFL to deserve an NFL head coaching position. He had two awful stints as OC prior to Oakland. He never kept a job long anywhere. The other coaches were always glad to see him leave.
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To be fair, he gets a mulligan for his two previous OC stints. The first was in Washington, where he was tasked with installing Steve Spurrier’s college offense on a NFL team with Danny Wuerffel as the QB, no less.
His second stint was one year as Bobby Petrino’s OC in Atlanta, where he had to deal with not only Vick being sent to prison (right after the organization had traded Schaub), but then Petrino walking out in mid-season to take the Arkansas job (after the Razorbacks had been denied permission to talk to our own Lance).
January 7th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
What a soul searching time this must be for Al’s leftover sacred cows. Trask will land on her feet with her background. Herrera? Hope he took some kind of vocational course somewhere along the line. If not, I’ll take plastic bags, “John John”…be careful with my eggs.
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Someday a book will reveal all, and I don’t think it’ll be pretty.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Poor Scottie.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Seems our boy Hue gets a lot of mulligans,…
January 7th, 2012 at 9:20 am
As for Del Rio interviewing with the Chefs today: it’s not like McKenzie will be on the job before next week, anyway. I know they said he’d start immediately, but he’s got to deal with finding a place in Oakland, packing up his stuff at home, hiring a mover, getting his two teenage boys enrolled in a bay area school, cleaning out his office in Green Bay, etc, etc.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Seems our boy Hue gets a lot of mulligans,…
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That may be, but my point was that neither of his previous OC positions was the kind of situation to make an honest judgement of his ability as a coordinator. 2010 Oakland was, and he did a great job.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:24 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Seems our boy Hue gets a lot of mulligans,…
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That may be, but my point was that neither of his previous OC positions was the kind of situation to make an honest judgement of his ability as a coordinator. 2010 Oakland was, and he did a great job.
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Yes, but when you are on the bottom sucking mud there’s no where to go but up. I guess I’m not really disagreeing with you but I just want what’s best for the Raiders!
January 7th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Winston Moss will be the next coach of the Raiders
January 7th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I can tell you what happened here in Cleveland and it may offer a lesson. Holmgren came in last year and decided to let Mangini stay on for another year to be evaluated. Well, after a 4-12 year he was canned and Holmgren brought Shurmur in–who proceeded to stifle all of Colt McCoy’s progress and essentially the team made no progress at all. What I take from this is the following: If McKenzie has any doubts at all about Jackson, or if they lack personal chemistry, he needs to go. But if he genuinely likes Jackson then he needs to give him a couple years to continue to turn things around because in all likelihood we’re going to find out that the personnel evaluation system was completely inept.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Buck and Duck,,lol,,, I think we all know the offense isn’t the problem. The defense is the real issue. Hue said he would fix that but it didn’t mean he would be able to do it mid-season. Look at the Pats D,, it’s been a problem all year for them that Bill couldn’t fix,, but I bet he’ll do it in the offseason. The same goes for Hue. Once we cut Bresnahan loose 90% of the problem is already solved.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Ohio I think you hit the nail on the head. Hopefully thats what M Davis/Mckenzie are thinking as well.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Winston Moss will be the next coach of the Raiders
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Hue should get one more season. HOWEVER, if he pulls a tantrum and leaves (which is a distinct possibility), Moss would be a good choice.
For that matter: In Reggie I Trust, and whoever he picks would be fine with me.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I HOPE the Chiefs hire Jack del Rio.
Pioli can’t be that stupid. Can he?
January 7th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I agree Hue had a lot to overcome this year, but next year it’s going to be something else and my fear is he won’t overcome that either.
When the defense was falling apart this year he didn’t do enough to overcome it, to right the ship, it just kept listing and listing until finally it fell apart at the seems.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am
RaiderDuck Says:
To be fair, he gets a mulligan for his two previous OC stints. The first was in Washington, where he was tasked with installing Steve Spurrier’s college offense on a NFL team with Danny Wuerffel as the QB, no less.
His second stint was one year as Bobby Petrino’s OC in Atlanta, where he had to deal with not only Vick being sent to prison (right after the organization had traded Schaub), but then Petrino walking out in mid-season to take the Arkansas job (after the Razorbacks had been denied permission to talk to our own Lance).
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OK, give him the mulligans. Even though Atlanta still had a lot of weapons, they were the 2nd worst offense in the league. Turmoil or not, that is awful and IMO reflects on Hue Jackson.
But he still should have been expected to prove himself before being given the head coaching position. This was typical Al thinking he had some great intuition about new head coaches (which he hadn’t had in years – I’ve repeatedly laid out my case against Gruden).
January 7th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:03 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/chiefs-interview-jack-del-rio/
Chiefs interviewing del Rio
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Read a rumor on this site that the raiders already interviewed Del Rio. Anyone know.???? Rather not play against him as as have him our D co.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:50 am
BSPN is the one that floated the Moss rumor
January 7th, 2012 at 9:51 am
NO MULLIGANS IN NFL..THIS IS THE BIG LEAGUES.DONT GIVE ME EXCUSES..EVERY SEASON WILL HAVE ITS DIVERSITY,PROBLEMS,UPS & DOWNS.DEAL WITH IT.NOTHING HELPS LIKE WINNING.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
RaidingTexas Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Even though Atlanta still had a lot of weapons, they were the 2nd worst offense in the league. Turmoil or not, that is awful and IMO reflects on Hue Jackson.
But he still should have been expected to prove himself before being given the head coaching position.
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Atlanta had ZERO weapons that year. Remember that Michael Turner was still LT’s caddy in San Diego.
As for him having to prove himself: Who else wanted to work for Al (RIP) at that point as an HC? It was either Hue, Kevin Gilbride, Jim Fassel, or some completely unqualified NFL assistant or college HC who just wanted to be an NFL Head Coach. At least Hue had been a pretty good OC for us.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
GOOD DAY TO ALOL BY THE WAY.TEXAS,BUCK,PLUNKETTHEAD,EDWARD TEACH..
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/chiefs-plan-to-retain-romeo-crennel-as-head-coach/
Well well
January 7th, 2012 at 9:55 am
ALL,HE TRY’D TO SAY
January 7th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Raiderbuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/chiefs-plan-to-retain-romeo-crennel-as-head-coach/
Well well
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EXCELLENT! One less team for us to worry about being a threat.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:56 am
If McKenzie has any doubts at all about Jackson, or if they lack personal chemistry, he needs to go. But if he genuinely likes Jackson then he needs to give him a couple years to continue to turn things around because in all likelihood we’re going to find out that the personnel evaluation system was completely inept.
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To some degree, its all about the style of the gm/hc relationship. And that trickles down to the players. To take a quote from the former dodger skipper: contented cows give better milk.
Thats not saying to treat players (and coaches) like they cant do no wrong, but maintain an air of dignity and respect on the inside.
Run the organization professionally and treat the staff professionally and good things will happen. Players like structure, fairness and discipline. They’ve been trained that way all throughout their careers as players (well, in most cases).
If they show up to a organization that squabbles and looks incompetent, they go off on their own. Thus, lack of team cohesiveness. Players treated equally, fair and stern are content to show up and work hard when they know the rules and boundaries. The opposite of that has been evident also.
Hue would of been wise to bench Romac after the incident, regardless of the cost (might have been better than he got). Problem was, he did not have a gm to consult with and had no one to answer to. Wonder what the locker room felt. But thats a big shoulda and hopefully he learns that the attitude of the locker room is real. Winning coaches at the college level and pro level have one thing in common: the players respect the hell out of their coaches. They know what to expect from them. They know the rules. They know their boundaries.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
DIRT morning
Duck I think Romeo is a good head coach
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
DIRT morning
Duck I think Romeo is a good head coach
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Players want to play for him.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:03 am
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You are right Hue would have looked a lot better if he would have sat Romac for a couple of games. Not having a GM is an excuse. If hue wants more power that move would have made him look pretty good. The fact is our D sucked sooooooo BAD that Hue probably did not think it was an option!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does what Al Davis wanted factor in to this at all?
He was pretty sold on Hue being the guy to lead the Raiders into the future.
I wonder how that played into the conversation between Mark and Reggie regarding Hue?
Winston Moss????
I’m not sure how he would be more qualified than Hue to be the HC.
Kinda tricky though. Not sure I would think it fair to hire a DC this year and force him on a new HC next year. Isn’t that more of the same?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I wonder what Dallas would trade us for Mike Huff?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 am
smee Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Plunketthead Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 am
DIRT morning
Duck I think Romeo is a good head coach
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Players want to play for him.
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Players also liked playing for Joe Bugel and Tom Cable. Doesn’t mean either is a good HC.
As for Romeo, he had ONE good year in Cleveland, and three lousy ones. If the Chiefs want him, go right ahead.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:11 am
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does what Al Davis wanted factor in to this at all?
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That is a good question. Just because Al made the decision though doesn’t mean that all his peeps agreedw with it. If any hiring and firing is gonna get done we need to get it over with and get started.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does what Al Davis wanted factor in to this at all?
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Not remotely. Al’s gone, Rest in Peace.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does what Al Davis wanted factor in to this at all?
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Not remotely. Al’s gone, Rest in Peace.
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That one’s easy! “JUST WIN BABY!”
January 7th, 2012 at 10:14 am
I think I’m just starting to lean towards retaining the offensive staff. Hue Jackson and Al Saunders can put up 24 pts a game more often than not with a healthy offense.
Then again, with the weapons we have on offense, ANY decent offensive mind could put up 24 a game.
LOL … Not looking good for you Hue.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am
So is the thinking Moss at HC and Tragovic(sp) as the DC?
Any chance we keep Saunders on to run the offense?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Get rid of Chuck B and 90% of the problem is taken care of,, fix the interior D-line and another 5% is taken care of,,bring in a DC with a good football IQ,,wallah!!! 100% fixed.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
How many coaches since the merger have been fired after a single 8-8 season? Has that ever happened before? I don’t recall anything like that happening in at least the last 15 years.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:19 am
How refreshing is it that our biggest issue was resolved BEFORE the playoffs even started?
Good job Mark!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
How many coaches since the merger have been fired after a single 8-8 season? Has that ever happened before? I don’t recall anything like that happening in at least the last 15 years.
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Dan Snyder canned Marty Schottenheimer after a single 8-8 season so he could bring in Spurrier. Heckuva job, Danny!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I’m so disappointed in the raiders I don’t even want to watch the playoffs. Especially considering the position we were in playing the steeelers with Ben hurt mendenhall out and pouncey out plus woodley in his first game back since like week 4. On top of that McFadden supposedly coming back we were in prime position
January 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am
18yearsold18yearfan Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I’m so disappointed in the raiders I don’t even want to watch the playoffs. Especially considering the position we were in playing the steeelers with Ben hurt mendenhall out and pouncey out plus woodley in his first game back since like week 4. On top of that McFadden supposedly coming back we were in prime position
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Denvers’ thinking the same thing. A steeler win is not a sure thing. Could be a game for the toilet, but we’ll see. Look for denver to win, big. fck rburger.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Chris,
How many GM changes have occured in that scenario?
If we keep Hue, we have to basically extend him or it will be a lame duck coaching scenario.
You really think the only reason the new GM would make a change at HC is vanity related?
Can’t see that.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:28 am
I actually think Hue will be back.
He’s not dumb, he’ll fall in line.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
644.Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
How many coaches since the merger have been fired after a single 8-8 season? Has that ever happened before? I don’t recall anything like that happening in at least the last 15 years.
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YES! Ray Rhodes in Green Bay went 8-8 in his first and only season; and was canned after the final whistle.
People criticize teams like Raiders for firing their HC every other year and praise those ’stable’ org’s. like GB and NE, but the difference is those org’s are WINNING.
GB is all stable and what not but look what happened to Rhodes IN ONE YEAR going 8-8.
Watch those ’stable’ org’s start losing and watch coaches getting canned…immediately.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
BREAKING NEWS
Oakland Raiders Defensive Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan has been fired….just kidding but boy would that be sweet!!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I don’t think Reggie is going to fire Hue his first season in and he went 8-8 while the side of the ball he was in most control of did pretty well even with most of its best players hurt. Plus Reggie undoubtedly knows how important it is to have some consistency at head coach and he knows it’s been a revolving door of coaches here so he might want to keep him just for that and if he doesn’t improve with a better defensive staff next year he will let hue’s contract expire.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
BREAKING NEWS
Oakland Raiders Defensive Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan has been fired….just kidding but boy would that be sweet!!
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Dude, he’s gone. He, Biekert, Woodson and Ross have been informed their contracts won’t be renewed. They’re out of here on the 15th.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Moss has not done such a great job on D at GB.
I think they actually set a record or two on defense for futility.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So we have a GM who was a 3-4 linebacker.
The team he came from uses the 3-4 defense a certain percentage of the time (is that better JFB?).
Is it still premature to start the 3-4 talk?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:34 am
#653,
I agree.
I think that’s how it’s going down, but we won’t know until we hear from McKenzie.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am
The difference is GB and NE have hall of fame QB’s
January 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Jimmy Johnson 1-15 with the Cowboys then he went on to,,,,, we know the rest.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
656.J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So we have a GM who was a 3-4 linebacker.
The team he came from uses the 3-4 defense a certain percentage of the time (is that better JFB?).
Is it still premature to start the 3-4 talk?
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Not at all. Let’s kick it into high gear. I need something to divert me from these darn playoffs we should be playing in.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Maybe McKenzie can get something for Palmer and bring in Flynn? Would love to see that.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:38 am
658.Plunketthead Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:35 am
The difference is GB and NE have hall of fame QB’s
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Yeah. You wonder how great Belichek would be w/o Brady, or how good GB would’ve been w/o Favre…and now Rodgers.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:42 am
648 yeah Denver’s thinking that but the Steelers have a top run d that can contain Tebow and with Polamalu and the rest of the secondary won’t let him pass on them. Do unless Brady Quinn is starting for them I don’t see the broncos winning. Also their defense is hurting although Von Miller and Elvis Dumerville are going to get after Ben. The steelers might want to rest Ben and let Dennis Dixon play this week. (Is he healthy this year) or Batch. If leftwitch didn’t go down in the preseason he probably would have started the 49er game and browns game so Ben could be healthy for the playoffs but whatever it doesn’t matter
January 7th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Am I fired yet?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
No way HueJax is going.
Offseason, healthy WR’s and McFadden, an upgrade on the OL and our offense is good to go!
Fix that crappy defense that gave up 433 points and we wil be contending for the near and far future.
Wasn’t Hue’s fault entirely. Like every rookie HC, he needs support, a GM, and a good D coordinator.
Mos of the playoffs D coordinator were and could be head coaches.
Dick L, Gregg Williams, Dom Capers, Wade Phillips.
Give hue some help and surround him where he needs help.
This GM hire could be the most important hire since Gruden, sinc ether returned to Oakland.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I would like to see the following. Hue put on notice. No more trying to show the NFL he is smarter than everyone else. Play it straight up. He would of had total control with that mindset because we would be prepping for Pittsburgh. I want the players told that scholarship times are over and finally anyone not interested in Al’s motto of Just Winning will be gone. We don’t need words or phrases or just actions!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Another reason I think Hue might stay is that Reggie doesnt want to start his first year as GM a step behind everybody else. Most teams already have their new head coach in mind and they might even be hired by the time Reggie is even announced as our GM. Plus he knows how little draft picks we have so he most likely wants to start talent evaluation as soon as possible.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Our defense would have been 1 and done in the playoffs.
We didn’t deserve it, we scored at least 24 points in the 4 losses tha hurt, Detroit, Dnever, Buffalo, SD.
We needed this monumental collapse to clean house on the D side and start building. “Football” program that mirrors the best teams out there.
No more micke mouse, 1 guy on top, my way or the highway organization.
Raider Nation is on the way back!!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
18yearsold18yearfan Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Another reason I think Hue might stay is that Reggie doesnt want to start his first year as GM a step behind everybody else. Most teams already have their new head coach in mind and they might even be hired by the time Reggie is even announced as our GM. Plus he knows how little draft picks we have so he most likely wants to start talent evaluation as soon as possible.
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Good thoughts
January 7th, 2012 at 10:48 am
djohnnyg Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:30 am
644.Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
How many coaches since the merger have been fired after a single 8-8 season? Has that ever happened before? I don’t recall anything like that happening in at least the last 15 years.
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YES! Ray Rhodes in Green Bay went 8-8 in his first and only season; and was canned after the final whistle.
People criticize teams like Raiders for firing their HC every other year and praise those ’stable’ org’s. like GB and NE, but the difference is those org’s are WINNING.
GB is all stable and what not but look what happened to Rhodes IN ONE YEAR going 8-8.
Watch those ’stable’ org’s start losing and watch coaches getting canned…immediately.
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Yes. I just found the Rhodes example as well. Couple things about that:
- This was Rhodes’ second job. He had a four year stint as head coach of the Eagles where they got progressively worse from 1995 through 1998, culminating in a 3-13 season for Philly in 1998.
- The Packers team he took over in 1999 had a cumulative 37-11 record in the three years prior to that 8-8 season and had been to two Super Bowls in those three years. The Raiders, conversely, were 18-30 in the three years prior to Hue Jackson leading them to an 8-8 record in his first season as head coach.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am
What’s up with Gregg Williams and Dom capers their first few years as DC for their respective teams they were great but they have gotten progressively worse. They’re just good enough for their offenses to cover for them. But they do get turnovers so the yards and points they give up may be a wash because of the turnovers they generate
January 7th, 2012 at 10:50 am
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Maybe McKenzie can get something for Palmer and bring in Flynn? Would love to see that.
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No thanks.
Matt Flynn may be good. He’s had two good performances against one poor performance in the three games in his NFL career in which he’s seen significant time.
Or he could be Kevin Kolb 2.0 (or some would say Kolb was Matt Cassel 2.0 and in that case Kolb would be Matt Cassel 3.0). Regardless, no way to I unload Carson Palmer for Matt Flynn. That would be worse than firing Hue, IMO.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:51 am
hope denver stuffs in up the steelers arse.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:53 am
we under achieved this year. plain and simple.
injuries, well, part of the game and good teams overcome them.
piss poor coaching decisions through out the season…
a defense that couldn’t stop a high school team.
under achieved. its that simple.
BUT WHY? New GM has his work cut out for him.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I’m glad the Chiefs are interviewing Del Rio. He is a POS as a coach.
I give Hue Jackson a lot of credit for holding together a team that went through a lot of trauma in 2011. Also, he was thought of highly as an OC in his previous positions.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:03 am
The talk of the Lakers demise has been overexaggerated as usual. Same can’t said of the lowly Warrios.
http://www.insidebayarea.com/warriors/ci_19693672
January 7th, 2012 at 11:04 am
675.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I’m glad the Chiefs are interviewing Del Rio. He is a POS as a coach.
I give Hue Jackson a lot of credit for holding together a team that went through a lot of trauma in 2011. Also, he was thought of highly as an OC in his previous positions.
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I’m not a fan of Del Rio as a head coach, but that I think he can be a heckuva DC addition to the Raiders…IF they stick to a 4-3, and add more talent and pieces and become more disciplined and tougher.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
It’s easy to see why we didn’t make the playoffs.
Defensive PPG allowed:
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26. St. Louis Rams 25.4 (2-14)
27. Carolina Panthers 26.8 (6-10)
28. Indianapolis Colts 26.9 (2-14)
29. OAKLAND RAIDERS 27.1 (8-8)
30. Buffalo Bills 27.1 (6-10)
31. Minnesota Vikings 28.1 (3-13)
32. Tampa Bay Bucanners 30.9 (4-12)
We had a defense that would suggest about a 4 win season.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Del rio was saddled with no qb or wrs.
Yet he’s been to the playoffs recently.
We don’t want him as chief’s head coach. He beat us last year.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Anyone see the NFLN brief on the Raiders.
Looks like Hue is 50 – 50
January 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:08 am
It’s easy to see why we didn’t make the playoffs.
Defensive PPG allowed:
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26. St. Louis Rams 25.4 (2-14)
27. Carolina Panthers 26.8 (6-10)
28. Indianapolis Colts 26.9 (2-14)
29. OAKLAND RAIDERS 27.1 (8-8)
30. Buffalo Bills 27.1 (6-10)
31. Minnesota Vikings 28.1 (3-13)
32. Tampa Bay Bucanners 30.9 (4-12)
We had a defense that would suggest about a 4 win season.
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This defense has been garbage for years. MANY in here still believe in Seymour, Kelly, Routt, Wimbley and those raggedy linebackers.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Thank you Chris. With our D, we SHOULD HAVE been a 4 win team like those around us.
Hue’s O saved us.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
654.RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
BREAKING NEWS
Oakland Raiders Defensive Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan has been fired….just kidding but boy would that be sweet!!
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Dude, he’s gone. He, Biekert, Woodson and Ross have been informed their contracts won’t be renewed. They’re out of here on the 15th.
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Why the 15th?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:11 am
All the coaches are gone.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:15 am
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So we have a GM who was a 3-4 linebacker.
The team he came from uses the 3-4 defense a certain percentage of the time (is that better JFB?).
Is it still premature to start the 3-4 talk?
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JHill, I think the 3-4 vs. 4-3 argument is a distraction.
The key is picking a defensive scheme and getting the coaches and assistants that specialize in it to coach up….get the players that fit the system and what you are trying to do.
4-3 defenses work as does the 3-4.
Get the coaches that know the defense, draft players and sign free agents that can do what you are looking for in the system and teach it and exeucte.
Plenty of 3-4 defenses that are garbage too.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
alex7 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
Thank you Chris. With our D, we SHOULD HAVE been a 4 win team like those around us.
Hue’s O saved us.
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The soft bigotry of low expectations
January 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I listen to what is said about the Raiders on NFLN and ESPN but I honestly don’t believe anything that is said until it happens
January 7th, 2012 at 11:16 am
660.djohnnyg Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:36 am
656.J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So we have a GM who was a 3-4 linebacker.
The team he came from uses the 3-4 defense a certain percentage of the time (is that better JFB?).
Is it still premature to start the 3-4 talk?
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Not at all. Let’s kick it into high gear. I need something to divert me from these darn playoffs we should be playing in.
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They need to add a NT and two more 3-4 OLB’s before they convert to running a 3-4. Plus they need a good 3-4 DC!
I think Bryant and Houston can play as 3-4 DE’s, Seymour can be in the rotation. Kelly maybe be able to play as a 3-4 end as well.
Can Shauny move to 3-4 OLB and can he back pedal, open hips and move laterally and cover when need be.
He can probably easily get to the passer as a stand up and hold the edge standing up, but can he open his hips and move laterally and cover as a 3-4 OLB?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am
tom cable 8-8
hue Jackson 8-8
Next man up.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Hast to be a coach out there that can get us over the hump.
Wasn’t lane or Callahan or Norv. Could have been Gruden.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Correction:
Tom Cable 17-27 (9-19 with a 12 ppg offense prior to Hue coming on as offensive coordinator and helping them to 26 ppg and 8-8)
Hue Jackson 8-8
January 7th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Has to be a coach out there that can teach these players to play smarter football.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:22 am
If they stick to the 4-3 with a better DC and better coaches and scheme, then I really believe they need to move Wimbley to the down RDE position full time. Just let that beast rush the passer and cause disruption in the backfield, since that is what he does best.
He can’t play as a 4-3 cover SAM, he is too big and too stiff and he gets lost in space. the man is 6′4, 265 and built like tank. The Raiders have needed a legit pas rush disruptor at 4-3 RDE for while and just let Wimbley do that job at RDE and add a REAL SAM OLB who plays well versus the run and is disciplined enough to hold his responsibility in coverage.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:24 am
So Knight what do we do with McLain?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:24 am
689.No Mas Diamante Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:17 am
tom cable 8-8
hue Jackson 8-8
Next man up.
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Slim pickens out there with any decent head coaching candidates. If the Raiders got a proven coach like Fisher to replace Hue, than I would be okay with it.
Replacing Hue with another rookie head coach would not make any sense and would be a silly move.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:25 am
The key is picking a defensive scheme and getting the coaches and assistants that specialize in it to coach up….get the players that fit the system and what you are trying to do.
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Like you said, first thing first.
Pick a scheme.
Have to know what scheme we are running to determine which players fit where.
It goes without saying that we need a decent coach.
4-3 hasn’t worked for us in years. Hard to argue sticking with it.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:27 am
How come Cable goes 8-8 after two horrible seasons and people are lining up to defend him and say how the team is going in the right direction.
Hue takes over. Gets off to a 4-2 start. Al Davis passes away. Loses his best player in McFadden and starting QB and finishes 8-8. And the majority of fans in here (it seems anyway) want to can him and have absolutely no backup plan for who should be head coach. The best replacement plan in here seems to be a couple of position coaches from a horrible Packers defense that you probably know less about than you do Reggie McKenzie.
Sorry, but I don’t think shooting blindly and hoping for the best is such a great plan.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Perhaps we could lure one of the big name coaches off of the sidelines. Would you say no to Bill Cowher? Or Gruden part 2?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:29 am
The team he came from uses the 3-4 defense a certain percentage of the time (is that better JFB?).
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Yes, a defense that runs the 3-4 21% of the time and the 2-4-5 68% of the time.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Was I drunk, or did Kwame Brown dominate Andrew Bynum last night?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I agree that Wimbley should be doing nothing but rushing the passer.
3-4 OLB on 1st and 2nd down. I like the abilty to move him around and get creative with where he’s attacking from.
4 man front RDE in passing situations.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
694.No Mas Diamante Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:24 am
So Knight what do we do with McLain?
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Well, he is only in his 2nd year and he is barely 21 right? He is very young and developing. If they can trade him for a 2nd Rounder that would be good, but I doubt they would give up on him this soon.
It’s going to depend on what scheme they go with next year 4-3 , or 3-4. If they switch to a 3-4, then I think that will help his development, since he played more 3-4 in college. They would need to add a solid vet to play next to him on the inside who has played in the 3-4 and of course hire a legit 3-4 DC and LB coach to get him going.
If they stick to 4-3, they need to add another vet 4-3 SAM LB who can back him up as the MIKE, and push him to be better and teach him how to be a pro.
Either way, the Raiders need to add at least two vet LB’s who will compete and help push McClain and Curry to be better and help them become better pros.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:31 am
At least Tom Cable’s teams dominated some opponents and got some easy wins, unlike Hue’s clubs.
Last year we outscored Denver like 110-40. This year, they outscored us by a TD.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Man coverage hasn’t worked for us either. We no longer have the personell.
Offensive philosophy is changing over all. New rules to encourage more of a high octane offensive show. More point mean more butts in the seats.
Defenses are going to have to come up with new scheams and looks to combat the new offenses.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:32 am
698.No Mas Diamante Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Perhaps we could lure one of the big name coaches off of the sidelines. Would you say no to Bill Cowher? Or Gruden part 2?
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Cowher will never happen, Gruden 2?…ya never know, especially now that Al has passed and they are building a legit front office structure now that Gruden could work with.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Bynum was 3-9 with 16 boards.
What do you mean by dominate?
January 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am
and the 2-4-5 68% of the time.
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Their D line depth isn’t what our is.
We’ll go 3 DL more than they did.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am
The last 10 years were just bad. They represent no credible baseline. Al Davis had some players that let him down. JaBustus, Randy Moss and on and on.
Improving from that is no big deal.
The old Raiders had a strong willed Owner/GM that limited the scope of coaching choices.
Now, the Raiders have a greater pool to pick from. To me, Hue Jackson doesnt strike me as a top tier candidate.
Sorry
January 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am
If Hue and McKenzie are on the same page, and Hue gets it that he’s just a coach, then fine, he can stay. But what I don’t want is to see any kind of a power struggle. If that’s the case then Hue’s gone, and rightly so.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Bynum was a mess offensively.
3 of 9 shooting? Really? Against the Dubs.
A bunch of turnovers.
Dominated.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Klay Thompson should be starting.
Wasting your time with this Curry fascination.
Monta’s speed + Thompsons size and J is where you need to be headed.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:38 am
There will be no power “struggle”.
Once there is anything close to a “struggle” Hue is toast.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
And what about Fischer? He’s yet to decide between Miami or Rams. He’s a good coach.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Bill Williamson – ESPN.com AFC West Blog
OAKLAND
Mortensen reported that new Raiders’ general manager Reggie McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson.
My take: Jackson’s possible firing has been the elephant in the room for days. There have been rumblings of it and Mortensen’s report brings light to the situation. There has been talk that Jackson took too much power after owner Al Davis died in October, that he gave up too much to get quarterback Carson Palmer and that he rubbed players the wrong way. The fact that the Raiders lost four of their final five games including a Week 17 home loss to San Diego with the AFC West title on the line could go against Jackson. There is no doubt Jackson is a talented coach, but perhaps McKenzie will want to start fresh and bring in his own coach. Schefter said Green Bay assistant Winston Moss could be a target. Moss was a candidate in Oakland in the past and he was a favorite of Davis. Like McKenzie, Moss is a former Raiders linebacker. Is Jackson definitely on the chopping block? I wouldn’t say that, but it is a situation to watch in the coming days.
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Jackson may be in a Cable-like situation next season if Moss becomes DC.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am
LOL @ you trying to hang your hat on Kwame Brown’s defense.
What ever helps you get over your hangover bruh.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I agree that Wimbley should be doing nothing but rushing the passer.
3-4 OLB on 1st and 2nd down. I like the abilty to move him around and get creative with where he’s attacking from.
4 man front RDE in passing situations.
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Yeah, it just depends what defensive scheme they go with of course and I’m sure McKenzie and Hue already have an idea what they want to do.
Hue was trying to recruit coaches from 3-4 schemes last year….Pagano, Thurman, Horton.
McKenzie was a 3-4 LB and built personnel around the in Green Bay around the 3-4 philosophy. Madden interviewed McKenzie with Mark Davis and Madden ran the 3-4 defense when he was Raiders coach and won a title with that being their defense.
What is happening in the league these days is that 3-4 teams like Ravens, Green Bay, Pitt can go into 4-3 looks very easily and provide more flexibility for a defense when it comes to disguising coverages and causing the opposting QB to think more.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
If I were Fischer, I would postpone my decision for a few more days.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Winston Moss will be your head coach….Hue is out….trust the B@uce
January 7th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Those 3-4 defenses in Green Bay, Pittsburgh and Baltimore also have damn good coaches and players
January 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Winston Moss will be your head coach….Hue is out….trust the B@uce
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Hue is outta here. New GM gonna go his way.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am
714.Raider J Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Bill Williamson – ESPN.com AFC West Blog
OAKLAND
Mortensen reported that new Raiders’ general manager Reggie McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson.
My take: Jackson’s possible firing has been the elephant in the room for days. There have been rumblings of it and Mortensen’s report brings light to the situation. There has been talk that Jackson took too much power after owner Al Davis died in October, that he gave up too much to get quarterback Carson Palmer and that he rubbed players the wrong way. The fact that the Raiders lost four of their final five games including a Week 17 home loss to San Diego with the AFC West title on the line could go against Jackson. There is no doubt Jackson is a talented coach, but perhaps McKenzie will want to start fresh and bring in his own coach. Schefter said Green Bay assistant Winston Moss could be a target. Moss was a candidate in Oakland in the past and he was a favorite of Davis. Like McKenzie, Moss is a former Raiders linebacker. Is Jackson definitely on the chopping block? I wouldn’t say that, but it is a situation to watch in the coming days.
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Jackson may be in a Cable-like situation next season if Moss becomes DC.
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I would like to see Moss be hired as the DC.
If Moss replaces Hue as head coach, then they better keep Saunders as the OC, to keep offensive continuity and terminology. That is important, so the offense will not regress.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:45 am
718.Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Winston Moss will be your head coach….Hue is out….trust the B@uce
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Ok, B …
So fill out the rest of it for us.
Who will the DC be?
OC???
January 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Jhill…warriors and lakers both sucked last night…difference is Kobe got a lot of bs calls for him….monta as usual is outta control and laker fans know it…wizards fans know it and bobcat fans know….KWAME BROWN SUCKS
January 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
According to Pro Football Focus, in 2010 the Ravens played the 4-3 41% of the time and the 3-4 37% of the time.
So hence, the Ravens are not a 3-4 team, or a 4-3 team, they are a versatile defense with many looks.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
720.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Winston Moss will be your head coach….Hue is out….trust the B@uce
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Hue is outta here. New GM gonna go his way.
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If this happens, than lets hope McKenzie and Moss stick with Saunders as the OC so the offense will not have to start all over again. Ugh
January 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am
This report from Mort the pro liar better be false. Hue has to get atleast one year with this new rookie GM. Hue knows this team and players now after being the head coach he even knows the defensive players. I think Hue didn’t have a clue about the defesive players last year cause he worked only with the offense.
and for people saying Hue is hard to work with don’t have a clue, that was one trait that was great about him when working with the great late Mr.Davis. After Mr.Davis passing he had to take more control. Hue will be on the same page as the new GM just like he was with his old GM.
This team needs some type of stability and Hue will bring that. All we need is a new DC and staff and some new defensive players, and we will be talking going deep in playoffs next year with hue leading the way.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
724.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:47 am
According to Pro Football Focus, in 2010 the Ravens played the 4-3 41% of the time and the 3-4 37% of the time.
So hence, the Ravens are not a 3-4 team, or a 4-3 team, they are a versatile defense with many looks.
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Exactly. They were built as a 3-4, but can switch to 4-3 anytime they want. 3-4 provides more flexibility when it comes to switching defensive looks, more than just running a base 4-3 the whole time with no flexibility.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:49 am
Warriors and there free throw issues are killing me.
Monta was like 2-6 last night, and Kwame missing all 4 after two line violations was an embaressment.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
jhill…I know who the head coach will be as of now….saunders may stay as as OC but its up in the air…but Hue is gone lol and now I’m happy…Code Black
January 7th, 2012 at 11:50 am
726.realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:48 am
This report from Mort the pro liar better be false. Hue has to get atleast one year with this new rookie GM. Hue knows this team and players now after being the head coach he even knows the defensive players. I think Hue didn’t have a clue about the defesive players last year cause he worked only with the offense.
and for people saying Hue is hard to work with don’t have a clue, that was one trait that was great about him when working with the great late Mr.Davis. After Mr.Davis passing he had to take more control. Hue will be on the same page as the new GM just like he was with his old GM.
This team needs some type of stability and Hue will bring that. All we need is a new DC and staff and some new defensive players, and we will be talking going deep in playoffs next year with hue leading the way.
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I agree. I would rather see Hue stick around at least one more year and they hire Moss as the DC and assistant head coach.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Anyhow…mizzou ksu just started…just droppin word on the street…see ya lalet
January 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Why are people so worried about “Starting all over again” on offense?
Didn’t we “start over” in 2010?
Hue is not God’s gift to offenses, there are a dozens of people who can get just the same production out of our offense.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:54 am
DK fucgk Hue Crapson….he doesn’t deserve to be head coach
January 7th, 2012 at 11:55 am
If Hue does get fired, he would make a great college coach.
He can obviously get an offense to score, and I’m sure all his sales tricks will work much better on 18 year olds over 28 year olds.
Hell, fire Tedford and bring in Hue!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
JFB,
Exactly. This offense was lights out. It got stalled a lot too. It was an ok offense.
A full offseason should be no problem for the elite QB we have in Carson Palmer
January 7th, 2012 at 11:57 am
“This offense was not lights out”
January 7th, 2012 at 11:59 am
McKenzie: So Hue, what happened down the stretch?
Jackson: The players suck
McKenzie: Ok, well I will call you tomorrow with a decision.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Who’s scared of starting over?
Heck, I could call plays for the offense with the weapons we have over there.
My only concern is the defensive side of the ball.
If the new GM wants Moss instead of Hue, no biggie.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
If your Hue Jackson, you want an answer, if there is in fact a question, ASAP.
The window to be a head coach anywhere else is closing.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does what Al Davis wanted factor in to this at all?
He was pretty sold on Hue being the guy to lead the Raiders into the future.
I wonder how that played into the conversation between Mark and Reggie regarding Hue?
Winston Moss????
I’m not sure how he would be more qualified than Hue to be the HC.
Kinda tricky though. Not sure I would think it fair to hire a DC this year and force him on a new HC next year. Isn’t that more of the same?
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It’s not about what makes Winston Moss more qualified to be a HC than Hue..
It’s about what makes HUE more qualified. Taking into consideration how much mismanagement gaffes Hue has made this season..one year in the books doesn’t really stand out as a glaring advantage.
And I trust Reggies judgment more than Al’s. He has been in the FO of one of the most professional franchises in all of sports for 18 years.
A clean sweep might be in order here. Purge the stink of Al from this team.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:10 am
654.RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:33 am
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 am
BREAKING NEWS
Oakland Raiders Defensive Coordinator Chuck Bresnahan has been fired….just kidding but boy would that be sweet!!
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Dude, he’s gone. He, Biekert, Woodson and Ross have been informed their contracts won’t be renewed. They’re out of here on the 15th.
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Why the 15th?
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My rough understanding is that NFL assistant coaches are usually signed to 2-year contracts, with the second year as a club option. Teams are required to tell the coaches by 2 weeks after the season ends (which, for us, is January 15th this year) whether or not they’ll be retained. If not, they’re free agents as of that date.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Morning Fellas,
I’m really looking forward to the press conference.
Very excited about the future of this Team.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Attenuate the Taint:
If, for no other reason, but as a vestige of Stank AL’s taint, Hue must be dismissed.
AL lost his greatness after the 1983 SuperBowl win when he discovered that he could make more money prosecuting lawsuits than winning football games.
Except for the Gruden anomaly, the Raiders have been in the bottom dregs of the NFL for several decades. AL should have been expelled from the league years ago. His minority owners/partners should have commenced an action against him for oppression, and expunged him from the partnership. AL didn’t own the Raiders, but carried a 60% ownership interest; he what he wanted, no matter how negligent, includings bad faith acts – breach of fiduciary duty to his partners.
Now, fortunately, Stank AL has died. The thing the Raiders need to do is attenuate Stank AL’s taint and purge everything AL, associated with the organization beleaguered by that taint.
Unfortunately, Hue falls into that category, not to mention he is totally inept as a HC, for various reasons all well stated in this blog.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I would rather the coaching staff be reset. I would like to see the HC, DC, OC continuity for a few years.
Just replacing the DC still leaves Hue. What if the team still struggles with discipline, penalties and effort? What if Hue is beligerent ot the GM?
Then you have to fire the HC. Do you let the new HC a year from hire a new DC or keep the one already there?
Just start it over.
Hue DID nothing to guarantee a new year at the helm. He should have won another game down the stretch.
He had an opportunity and didn’t fully take advantage of it.
That’s life.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
While I hope Hue stays another year, it is VERY telling that he wasn’t even involved in the GM interview.
After Al passed, he was wielding as much power in this organization as Belichick does with the Pats. If Kraft decided to hire a GM, you can be Belichick would at least be in the room, if not conducting the interview.
Why wasn’t Hue invited? At the very least, it means he’s on a short leash.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
SnB #744 You are correct SnB: the main coaching staff should be reset, and beginning with Hue.
However, that being stated, Hue will do anything to remain HC even if that includes leaping up off the floor twice per day, to bite a carrot attached to a string, hanging from the ceiling of McKenzie’s executive office.
Beligerent is the last thing Hue will ever be while an ax hangs over his head.
In any case fire Hue!
January 7th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
*can be SURE Belichick would at least be in the room, that is.
This board really needs an “Edit” feature.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
While I hope Hue stays another year, it is VERY telling that he wasn’t even involved in the GM interview.
After Al passed, he was wielding as much power in this organization as Belichick does with the Pats. If Kraft decided to hire a GM, you can be Belichick would at least be in the room, if not conducting the interview.
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Well, that’s life. All Hue’s Raiders had to do was win 1 more game and he probably gets a Belicheck type of arrangement.
Oh well…losing to Tim Tebow and finishing in 3rd place this year was unacceptable. The coaching staff should be fired for this alone.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue will be the head coach next year if for no other reason than Mark Davis and Amy Trask have a great relationship with him and they went through something together that makes it a special type of relationship. I know we have a new GM but I also know Mark Davis has some Al Davis in him and he will have final say. Im for certain his finale say will be let the man my father hand picked to take us to the promise land
January 7th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Herrera is not going anywhere whats not to like about him.
He wanted to do what every one of us here would do if we could…punch that cheesy douche Tim Kawakami in the face.
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I can normally agree with you, but not on this one. Herrera is a sleez ball, with no value to the organization. He treats people like dirt, and never does GOOD publicity for the Organization. The PR only ever presents BAD publicity for the Raiders. AND he is only there because he was “in the family” not because of any production. He’s gotta go.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
While I hope Hue stays another year, it is VERY telling that he wasn’t even involved in the GM interview.
After Al passed, he was wielding as much power in this organization as Belichick does with the Pats. If Kraft decided to hire a GM, you can be Belichick would at least be in the room, if not conducting the interview.
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Well, that’s life. All Hue’s Raiders had to do was win 1 more game and he probably gets a Belicheck type of arrangement.
Oh well…losing to Tim Tebow and finishing in 3rd place this year was unacceptable. The coaching staff should be fired for this alone.
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You are completely correct. If Hue had adequately prepared the team for such an important game, McKenzie would be the GM of a playoff team and Hue would be guaranteed a job for another year, at least.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
The good news is that McKenzie will be there to help with the D-Coordinator hiring since he can start working now.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue will be the head coach next year if for no other reason than Mark Davis and Amy Trask have a great relationship with him and they went through something together that makes it a special type of relationship. I know we have a new GM but I also know Mark Davis has some Al Davis in him and he will have final say. Im for certain his finale say will be let the man my father hand picked to take us to the promise land
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No way McKenzie would have agreed to be GM without absolute control of all football matters. If he wants Hue gone, Hue’s gone.
January 7th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
—”Raiders signed QB Rhett Bomar to a reserve/future contract. The Raiders also inked DE Hall Davis and S Curtis Taylor to reserve/future pacts. A fifth-round pick of the Giants in 2009, Bomar has yet to take a regular-season snap. He was among the Vikings’ final cuts this season”—
Bye Kyle Boller
January 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Whatever is going to happen should be quick. We need to have our org in place so that we can start evaluating the college players who will be playing in the college all star games that begin I beleive on the 21st.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Whatever is going to happen should be quick. We need to have our org in place so that we can start evaluating the college players who will be playing in the college all star games that begin I beleive on the 21st.
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Give McKenzie the weekend to get his family started on their big move, get his office set up out here, etc. Also wait for the Packers’ season to end so we can poach a few key personnel (Eliot Wolf, Winston Moss, Darren Perry, or whoever else). Then fasten yer seat belts, people.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Thec07 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Whatever is going to happen should be quick. We need to have our org in place so that we can start evaluating the college players who will be playing in the college all star games that begin I beleive on the 21st.
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Agreed.
Things appear to be trending that way, so I’m sure all the requisite pieces will fall into place pronto.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If the fking defense could of made one freaking stop on a few games or atleast forced one fking punt the last game, he would be a playoff coach. Im with Hue on this all the way Im still fking pissed at the whole D staff and players.
Hue went 8-8 with a offense that lost there starting QB, RB, and WRs for much of the season. When this happends you expect the other side of the ball to step it up a notch and help out the offense but we all know what happened.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If the fking defense could of made one freaking stop on a few games or atleast forced one fking punt the last game, he would be a playoff coach. Im with Hue on this all the way Im still fking pissed at the whole D staff and players.
Hue went 8-8 with a offense that lost there starting QB, RB, and WRs for much of the season. When this happends you expect the other side of the ball to step it up a notch and help out the offense but we all know what happened.
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This was/is obvious to Reggie. He’ll sort it out and make his moves.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
ortensen reported that new Raiders’ general manager Reggie McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson.
My take: Jackson’s possible firing has been the elephant in the room for days. There have been rumblings of it and Mortensen’s report brings light to the situation. There has been talk that Jackson took too much power after owner Al Davis died in October, that he gave up too much to get quarterback Carson Palmer and that he rubbed players the wrong way. The fact that the Raiders lost four of their final five games including a Week 17 home loss to San Diego with the AFC West title on the line could go against Jackson. There is no doubt Jackson is a talented coach, but perhaps McKenzie will want to start fresh and bring in his own coach. Schefter said Green Bay assistant Winston Moss could be a target. Moss was a candidate in Oakland in the past and he was a favorite of Davis. Like McKenzie, Moss is a former Raiders linebacker.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
“If you watch ” Turning point” featuring the Raiders Woodson was coaching up the Cbs and telling them what was coming . He also deserved another shot.”
There is no way for any of us to know if Rod Woodson has or doesn’t have coaching talent.
This, we do know: Al Davis might have listened to his DC and OC suggest the names of assistants, but he never said, “Hire whom you want.” In the end, he mostly dictated with whom they’d work. How’d that turn out for us?
If this new GM is as schooled in the way things should work in management, he’ll know that the best functioning units are put together by the leader of the unit, in this case, the DC.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
If our defense would have improved this season, been a “bully” and played discipline football, Hue Jackson would have recieved the lion’s share of credit for it, and rightfully so.
I never heard of a HC in any sport, not take any of the blame for defensive failures.
It all falls on the lap of the HC.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Campbell, Palmer, Boller, Pryor, Peyton, Flynn; Raiders don’t need any of them; we signed QB Rhomar yesterday!
January 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Hmm….so if Hue is fired and Moss is hired to replace him and the team does NOT make the playoffs do the new head coach and GM get fired at the end of the season fellas??
hahahaha
January 7th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
759.RaiderLen Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
If the fking defense could of made one freaking stop on a few games or atleast forced one fking punt the last game, he would be a playoff coach. Im with Hue on this all the way Im still fking pissed at the whole D staff and players.
Hue went 8-8 with a offense that lost there starting QB, RB, and WRs for much of the season. When this happends you expect the other side of the ball to step it up a notch and help out the offense but we all know what happened.
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This was/is obvious to Reggie. He’ll sort it out and make his moves.
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The defense was absolutley atrocious and it cost us the playoffs.
I thought during the preseason, the defense was going to be bad, never thought it would cost us the playoffs though. Ugh
January 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Hmm….so if Hue is fired and Moss is hired to replace him and the team does NOT make the playoffs do the new head coach and GM get fired at the end of the season fellas??
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Not the GM, they usually get 4-5 years no matter what.
The HC, yeah if he sets an NFL record for penalties and goes 1-4 down the stretch, I will say fire him.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Seymour, Wimbley, Routt, Huff, Kelly, McClain need to restructure or get cut; Breshnahan needs to be fired/not retained; all free agents other than Branch, Reece, Bryant, Campbell, Satele should be let go; whether Hue stays or goes does not matter that much to me, but we better bring in someone who will be better.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Hmm….so if Hue is fired and Moss is hired to replace him and the team does NOT make the playoffs do the new head coach and GM get fired at the end of the season fellas??
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The GM certainly won’t get fired.
The only reasons the HC might be replaced is the fact that their is a new GM coming in, and we lost 4 outta 5 to close the season.
Most importantly, the GM should be able to pick his own coach. If Hue comes correct in his conversation with the new GM, he’ll probably be retained. If he doesn’t, he’ll probably be replaced.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
To get W. Moss on the coachig staff; Raiders might have to make him the head coach.
If still under contract Green Bay can keep Moss from interviewing for a coordinator position, but cannot keep him from interviewing for and taking a head coaching job.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Hmm….so if Hue is fired and Moss is hired to replace him and the team does NOT make the playoffs do the new head coach and GM get fired at the end of the season fellas??
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Not the GM, they usually get 4-5 years no matter what.
The HC, yeah if he sets an NFL record for penalties and goes 1-4 down the stretch, I will say fire him.
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Long live Reggie.
Hopefully his performance is so good he retires as the architect of the Raiders 21st century Super Bowl Dynasty.
I like the thought of that…
January 7th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Hue will be an OC somewhere in the NFL, he’s too talented not to be.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Looks like Crennel is staying in as HC for the Chefs…..
January 7th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
It’ll be interesing how some you will react IF Moss is hired as head coach and IF the team regresses from 8-8 next season and being one game away from playoffs.
Firing head coaches around here every other year aint going to cut it and I think McKenzie knows this…some of you don’t.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
772.fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Looks like Crennel is staying in as HC for the Chefs…..
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Crennel and Norv staying with the Queefs and DisChargers is a good thing for the Raiders IMO.
Those guys are lousy head coaches.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/reggie-mckenzie-will-have-the-power-to-fire-hue-jackson/
I figured
January 7th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Watching the NCAA FCS Championship. . .earlier in the year I had witnessed one of the combattants, North Dakota State drub Minnesota, a Big 10 team. . .In that contest I had noticed the LT for the Bison (ND’s nickname), Billy Turner, display movement skills & that nastiness you want on an offensive linemen. . .
He again is playing well. . .His dad played for the Vikings as a RB & a brother had a cup of coffee in the NFL as well.
Since the Raiders are bereft of first round picks the next coupla years (potential wheeling & dealing aside) finding diamonds in the rough will be paramount.
Plus the kid can flat play. I remember seeing Mike Roos, LT for Tennessee killing em @ Eastern Washington (and @ the senior bowl) & the same thing from Jared Veldheer when he was @ the senior bowl..This kid Turner (6′6″, 295 lb. true sophomore) could follow in their footsteps. . .
January 7th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Well, one way to look at the Raiders Defense this year
is it was good enough to keep Norv Turner employed in San Diego… …
January 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
732.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Why are people so worried about “Starting all over again” on offense?
Didn’t we “start over” in 2010?
Hue is not God’s gift to offenses, there are a dozens of people who can get just the same production out of our offense.
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Because Hue and Saunders know their offensive players skills and know how to utilize them already. Plus DHB improved under Hue, which is a miracle in itself!
I think Hue deserves a 2nd year with a GM now and a better defensive coordinator, plus he had to deal with alot of craziness in his 1st year with Al dying, DMC, Ford and Moore getting hurt, a DC who should have never been hired from the UFL, and his starting QB getting hurt for the year. Not easy for a rookie head coach.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Florio states the obvious, of course he would have the power to hire and fire whoever he wants. He is the damn GM! Sheesh.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/reggie-mckenzie-will-have-the-power-to-fire-hue-jackson/
January 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Unless McKanzie already has a HC he sees as an upgrade I think McKenzie keeps Hue for at least 1 more season….and if he wants to just clean house from top to bottom I’d be allover
That too….weve been in the tank for the last decade and I see no reason to keep ties with that….
January 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Florio states the obvious, of course he would have the power to hire and fire whoever he wants. He is the damn GM! Sheesh.
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You are correct. It shows that a lot of people in here have forgotten how sane NFL organizations are run. In a normal NFL organization, the GM hires and fires the coaches. Not the owner. Not the owner’s goon (Herrera).
It’s so nice to finally be a fan of a competently-run NFL team.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
732.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Why are people so worried about “Starting all over again” on offense?
Didn’t we “start over” in 2010?
Hue is not God’s gift to offenses, there are a dozens of people who can get just the same production out of our offense.
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Because Hue and Saunders know their offensive players skills and know how to utilize them already. Plus DHB improved under Hue, which is a miracle in itself!
I think Hue deserves a 2nd year with a GM now and a better defensive coordinator, plus he had to deal with alot of craziness in his 1st year with Al dying, DMC, Ford and Moore getting hurt, a DC who should have never been hired from the UFL, and his starting QB getting hurt for the year. Not easy for a rookie head coach.
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No doubt Hue was in a rather unique circumstance this season.
How he handled said circumstance is what’s up for debate imo.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
McKenzies got some good players to work with on Offense and a few on defense….let’s see what this guy can do….. At this point giving the GM total power is ok….. Everybody I’ve heard speak about McKenzie just raves about how good he is…..
January 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
True… This last season was very unusual .. In more than a few ways…
January 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I have to think in McKenzie’s eyes the (dis)Charger game was a job interview for Hue & he failed it woefully (final nail in the coffin was the reverse mea culpa @ the postseason presser). . .
As much as I would like to see Hue keep going with the offense I have to think you kinda blow the whole thing up; otherwise why did they hire McKenzie? Although going all in Packerwise would cost the Raiders $$$ in a big way to rid the roster of Palmer & Boss (Flynn & Finley upgrades?) gotta think he’ll want an extension of himself running the show. . .
January 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
do what You got to do Reggie…
the only guy in tis Organization i’m supporting now is the New Boss!
Saunders has the Playbook, it doesn’t leave with Hue.
Besides, it looked like there was only 25 plays in that book anyway, judging by the last 6 games.
Hue, shied away from positive matchups week after week,
re: underusing the Te, Reese, and the No Huddle.
Plus, if he wasn’t around to meet w/ Carson, what the hell was he doing?
January 7th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I don’t think Palmers going anywhere unless McKenzie has an upgrade in mind…IMO ..
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Well…Mizzou knocked from the ranks of the undefeated losing 75-59 at k state…their defense was as bad as the Raiders…lil cousin had 16pts but he loss so what good was it? Oh boy well that’s conf play for ya….better regroup
January 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Man I can’t wait until Tuesday, I have a feeling Reggie will either say Hue will be back next year or he will say he wants to go in a differrent direction.
I want Hue back next year but I think with some of his comments he made after Chargers game could hurt him. I agreed with everything he said and it was all true but it could of changed Mark Davis and Amy Trask opinion of him.
I know That article says Reggie has the power to fire Hue but under the circumstances Im positive he would make sure that Mark and Amy are ok with it.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
McKenzies got some good players to work with on Offense and a few on defense….let’s see what this guy can do….. At this point giving the GM total power is ok….. Everybody I’ve heard speak about McKenzie just raves about how good he is…..
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Agree
The cupboard is not bare.
He has some nice pieces to work with, which I’d imagine might excite Him a bit.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
My name is Huebert,
i look like Q Bert…
gonna hop and hop,
to the bottom from the top…
better get my resume ready,
for my next stop…
January 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Also keep in mind that McKenzie will be looking at all the “talent” on the roster with a fresh set of eyes.
He’s not going to look at a flashy game here or there, like we do, he’s going to put his scouting skills to use and determine who can play, get better and who cant’
There will be some surprising cuts and trades this offseason.
Remember this…..”ONE GOOD GAME DOES NOT MEAN A GREAT PLAYER” — READ CONSISTENCY
And the only consistent players on this team are probably Veldheer and Wiz.
Remember, Johnnie Lee Higgins was looked at as a star around here for a hot minute
January 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Yep…one of Hues Rookie mistakes was his mouth …Hue didn’t help his cause after the choker game…. …
January 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Yep…one of Hues Rookie mistakes was his mouth …Hue didn’t help his cause after the choker game…. …
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Yup.
Having a “quotable” personality has it’s pitfalls.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Also keep in mind that McKenzie will be looking at all the “talent” on the roster with a fresh set of eyes.
He’s not going to look at a flashy game here or there, like we do, he’s going to put his scouting skills to use and determine who can play, get better and who cant’
There will be some surprising cuts and trades this offseason.
Remember this…..”ONE GOOD GAME DOES NOT MEAN A GREAT PLAYER” — READ CONSISTENCY
And the only consistent players on this team are probably Veldheer and Wiz.
Remember, Johnnie Lee Higgins was looked at as a star around here for a hot minute
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Great observation.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
enter Winston Moss! =)
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I’m looking. Forward to McKenzie not handing out huge paydays to players like Stanford Routt…. No way was he worth 40 million …
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
After the SD game was the time that Hue should have kept running his “it’s on me” but his sense of self preservation overtook his sense of proper coaching edicate…
Hue made it too much about Hue and not about the team all season, until it ended badly, not very good leadership skills on display there…
He can use it as a learning experience on his way to his next gig…
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
1. Hue was a very good OC
2. Too many things happened this year (Al’s death, rash of injuries to important players, Hue not being able to assemble his own coaching staff) for those of us *not behind the scenes* to know if Hue can be a good head coach
3. Can’t stress enough that Hue’s comments after the game and days later raised red flags with me. Either his lack of tact and diplomacy and/or his seeming lack of insight and/or his hubris in speaking to the press after the season’s ending about his role and his power w/in the organization made me question for the first time in a very serious way whether he could successfully stay on as head coach when a GM came aboard.
My guess is that Reggie will give Hue the year to finish what he started under stable circumstances. It’s hard enough, I’d imagine, to learn the ropes of being a first year head coach; it had to be overwhelming to wear the hats Hue felt he had to wear after Al’s death. I can’t blame him for feeling that it all rested on his shoulders. He wanted to succeed for himself, for the fans, for Al’s family, for everyone, I’m sure. Perhaps he does have a personality that can, when it gets away from him, tend toward blustering, but I’m giving him the benefit of the doubt that the situation was overwhelming and he had a horrible defense that wasn’t his fault. It was Al’s. I won’t even hold Bresnahan responsible for the dearth of cohesive talent on that side of the ball.
If Hue can concentrate on the offensive side of things, have a really good DC, pay attention to detail, and worry less about public relations and the impression he makes on people, then perhaps he does have what it takes to be a good head coach.
Some head coaches are motivators; other leave the motivating to their co-ordinators while they concentrate on game planning and overseeing the details of the working parts. Hue has to find out what he does best. I would imagine Reggie will let him finish out his contract, will evaluate his performance by watching next season play out, then decide whether to offer Hue an extension.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Hahahahaha to all u hue guys defending his gabage…MR gonna go ballistic
January 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I’m looking. Forward to McKenzie not handing out huge paydays to players like Stanford Routt…. No way was he worth 40 million …
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Amen.
From what I’ve read about Reggie, he’ll find value.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Hahahahaha to all u hue guys defending his gabage…MR gonna go ballistic
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Well, he’s going to be the coach for another year. We’ll see if he’s any good at it or not.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
I heard Jim Miller yesterday on Sirius NFL just Raving about McKenzies eye for talent…..exactly what we need ..
January 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
hue is gone…Code Black 2012…awesome…maybe he can fully watch his beloved lakers and go to even higher class nail salons
January 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Having to watch the bungals and texans getting ready to play in the playoffs today is making me sick and making me hope Hue gets either demoted or booted.
His proponents on here wanting to give him another year because he inherited a bad team with the worst defense, I get it, but he still could not get them over the hump, if anything he negated any progress with his mismanagement and ineptitude.
Since Fischer is off the market though, that leaves Del Rio as the only viable candidate worth looking at so I would not be too upset to see Hue back. ***Just Announced on NBC: McKenzie has Power to fire Hue***
But you were competing with the bungals and donks to get to the playoffs and you still failed miserably..what a sham.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Maybe Reggie’s eye for talent is telling him that Hue doesn’t posses as much talent as a lot of people give him credit for…we don’t have another season to throw away, we’ve got to strike now.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Hue is not coming back RaiderPunk….lol u have lost your mind…alone the big ego,penalties and end of the year antics sealed his fate
January 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Once again, the DEFENSE is what cost this team wins and the playoffs and most of us saw this coming right when Chuck B was hired as the DC. I knew that clown running the D would cost us wins, never thought it would cost us the division as well. Let’s get Hue a REAL DC and add some more talent to that side of the ball and reduce the penalties and see what Hue can do after that.
If Reggie wants Moss as his head coach, then so be it, but they better keep Saunders as OC, or else the offense will regress….guaranteed!
If McKenzie and Hue go to a 3-4 D, then they need a proper 3-4 DC who will allow them the flexibility to switch to a 4-3 at any given time. I think Dean Pees, the LB coach for Ravens and former Pats DC (when they were a good Defense) would be a good hire IF they convert to 3-4 scheme.
The Raiders don’t have pieces yet either for a 3-4 scheme though. They need a legit 3-4 NT, and then at least two legit 3-4 OLB’s.
It’s debatable if Shauny can convert to a stand up 3-4 OLB position. He can no doubt rush the passer and play well versus the run standing up, but can he back pedal, open the hips and move laterally to cover in zones?
I think Houston and Bryant can play 3-4 DE’s and I think Kelly and Seymour can rotate as well as 3-4 DE’s and be put in during 4-3 fronts.
Wimbley is not a 3-4 OLB, can’t cover….his specialty is playing as a down RDE and rushing the passer and causing disruption in the backfield. If the Raiders hire a REAL 4-3 DC like Spagnolo or Del Rio, they need to move Wimbley down as the full time rush RDE and let him do what he does best, rush the passer. Then add a vet legit 4-3 SAM OLB to compete and push McClain and Curry. Matter of fact they will need two vet LB’s who can play in a 4-3 scheme.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
hue is gone…Code Black 2012…awesome…maybe he can fully watch his beloved lakers and go to even higher class nail salons
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LOL
Wonder is Hue goes semi or full gloss on those nails.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Once again, the DEFENSE is what cost this team wins and the playoffs and most of us saw this coming right when Chuck B was hired as the DC. I knew that clown running the D would cost us wins, never thought it would cost us the division as well. Let’s get Hue a REAL DC and add some more talent to that side of the ball and reduce the penalties and see what Hue can do after that.
If Reggie wants Moss as his head coach, then so be it, but they better keep Saunders as OC, or else the offense will regress….guaranteed!
If McKenzie and Hue go to a 3-4 D, then they need a proper 3-4 DC who will allow them the flexibility to switch to a 4-3 at any given time. I think Dean Pees, the LB coach for Ravens and former Pats DC (when they were a good Defense) would be a good hire IF they convert to 3-4 scheme.
The Raiders don’t have pieces yet either for a 3-4 scheme though. They need a legit 3-4 NT, and then at least two legit 3-4 OLB’s.
It’s debatable if Shauny can convert to a stand up 3-4 OLB position. He can no doubt rush the passer and play well versus the run standing up, but can he back pedal, open the hips and move laterally to cover in zones?
I think Houston and Bryant can play 3-4 DE’s and I think Kelly and Seymour can rotate as well as 3-4 DE’s and be put in during 4-3 fronts.
Wimbley is not a 3-4 OLB, can’t cover….his specialty is playing as a down RDE and rushing the passer and causing disruption in the backfield. If the Raiders hire a REAL 4-3 DC like Spagnolo or Del Rio, they need to move Wimbley down as the full time rush RDE and let him do what he does best, rush the passer. Then add a vet legit 4-3 SAM OLB to compete and push McClain and Curry. Matter of fact they will need two vet LB’s who can play in a 4-3 scheme!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I’d like to know how the players really feel about Hue. If they want to play for him, great, I hope he stays. If not I hope that Mckenzie makes an unbiased decision whether to keep him or not.
I’m pretty postitive that McKenzie already has a game plan and will hit the ground running as soon as he arrives in Oakland.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Hue is gone because he couldn’t get the team ready to play the last third of the season with everything on the line.
All the posturing in the press and shining on a good start….forgot to manage the team.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Attenuate the Taint:
If, for no other reason, but as a vestige of AL’s taint, Hue must be dismissed.
AL lost his greatness after the 1983 SuperBowl win when he discovered that he could make more money prosecuting lawsuits than winning football games.
Except for the Gruden anomaly, the Raiders have been in the bottom dregs of the NFL for several decades. AL should have been expelled from the league years ago.
The minority owners/partners should have commenced an action against him for oppression, and expelled him from the partnership. AL didn’t own the Raiders, but carried a 60% ownership interest; he did what he wanted, no matter how negligent, including bad faith acts – breach of fiduciary duty to his partners.
A majority owner, to suit his own fancy or toward his own gain, cannot lawfully commit one material act after another to the detriment of the partnership and the minority owners. Just the fact that AL – except for the Gruden anomaly – kept the club in the cellar for 28 years, irrespective of the terrible coaching hires, trades and drafting is prima facie evidence that AL was both negligent and committed willful and wanton acts against the partnership. However, AL had the minority owners beat down and bullied to the point that they would not, or could not resist him legally, which is tragic.
Mark, ostensibly, is assignee of AL’s former ownership interest in the club, and should be held to the particular partnership law for which the Raiders operate whether it is LLC, General Partnership, or Limited Partnership.
Now, fortunately, AL has died. The thing the Raiders need to do is attenuate AL’s taint and purge everything AL, associated with the organization beleaguered by that taint.
Unfortunately, Hue falls into that category, not to mention he is totally inept as a HC, for various reasons all well stated in this blog.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Welcome home, Winston.
Just Win Baby.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Hue is not coming back RaiderPunk….lol u have lost your mind…alone the big ego,penalties and end of the year antics sealed his fate
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Link, please.
And learn how to spell.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Who knows….I may be wrong…Hue may be retained….but we ggoing nowhere with him….but I believe he is outro…..he lost locker room and bringing hoim back is a mistake
January 7th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
The man that scouted and helped draft Aaron Rogers, Greg Jennings, Jermichael Finley, B.J Raji, Clay Matthews, JR is not going to be to HAPPY on trading top draft picks for 30+ QBs with a sketchy track record.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
with Hue in 2012 there is no Code Black and we go 6-10…without him? Well we better off then with him and Code Black is back!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/07/reggie-mckenzie-will-have-the-power-to-fire-hue-jackson/#respond
Stupid PFT trying to make us look like a dysfunctional team.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Winston Moss will stop the penalties and B.S and get the players to play for him
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
One thing I am certain of – If McKenzie goes with a QB other than Carson Palmer, it will most assuredly not be Jason Campbell.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Odds are that Hue will be at the Tuesday press conference, all smiles, and saying “Now I’m free to concentrate on my coaching!” or somesuch.
Either that, or he’ll be gone.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Carson aint going nowhere…too much invested in him already
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
How come our writers don’t write like this?
From the NY Times:
John Madden was an assistant coach at San Diego State working on defensive plans for the next game against North Dakota State when he first met Al Davis.
It was November 1966 and Davis was the general manager of the Oakland Raiders, scouting the Aztecs. But he had been advised by Paul Governali, the former San Diego State coach, to talk to Madden about a vacant assistant coaching job.
Madden said Davis sat beside him on a bench and asked, “What are you doing?”
Madden said: “I told him how they had wide splits and gaps and I was going to line up my guys in the gaps and hit the gaps. But he said, ‘Why don’t you line them up the way you normally would, then stunt into the gaps?’ I thought that was a good idea. All we talked about was our defense against North Dakota’s offense. Nothing about the Raiders.”
Madden added, “I put some of his ideas into practice that day and we won the game doing some of the things he brought up. And that was the end of it.” (San Diego State won, 36-0.)
After the season, Raiders Coach John Rauch offered Madden the assistant’s job, which he held for two years. He replaced Rauch as the head coach at age 32.
Davis, who died last Saturday, left behind a nearly 50-year legacy as the coach, general manager and controlling owner of the Raiders. He was intimidating, secretive, combative and often successful. “He was my best friend,” Madden said Thursday from Pleasanton, Calif. “If I had one call to make, if I needed anything, the call would be to Al Davis. I lost the one-call guy, the mentor, the father, the best friend.”
Years ago, they used to go to Las Vegas to celebrate Davis’s July 4 birthday.
“He always felt that we were part of his family and he was part of our family,” he said.
Madden last saw Davis Oct. 2 at the Raiders’ home game against New England.
“You knew he was having problems but he was better that week than he was the week before,” he said. “He had trouble speaking and drinking. But it’s Al Davis and he’d fight it. His mother lived to be more than 100 and I thought he’d fight and live to be 100.”
Madden spoke to Davis the night before he died. He said that Davis thrived on turmoil, which he used to motivate coaches and players. Even if he had to create it. And until their last conversation, Madden said that Davis remained argumentative.
“He’d say something that was contrary to what you believe in to see how strongly you believed in it,” he said. “We had an argument that was ongoing for about 50 years, about how to build a club. Where do you start? His thing was you start with the corners. My thing was to start with the offensive line.”
Madden and his staff shared cramped office space with Davis in the early years. What Madden described as input from Davis has been called meddling by other coaches, like Rauch.
“There wasn’t a need to meet with Al,” Madden said. “We were next door to each other, and we’d just talk. It was a constant dialogue. In those days we were all equals. It was such a small operation. Al, Ron Wolf, me, and like five coaches. That was it. Al encouraged everyone: if you have a thought, blurt it out.”
Madden, of course, produced for Davis. His teams won 103 games in 10 seasons — the longest tenure of any Raiders coach. Madden’s 1976 team went 13-1 in the regular season and won the Super Bowl. Recent years have been less kind. Their last complete winning season was in 2002. In those nine years, Davis hired six coaches.
“He would just tell me he made a mistake on this guy or that guy and he had to get this thing straightened out,” Madden said. “He never got that general manager in there that he wanted.”
At no time, Madden said, did Davis ask him to help revive the Raiders. “It never got to that point,” he said. “He never said, ‘Come back and be this or that.’ ”
The renegade’s personality that Davis imbued with the Raiders has dissipated over the years with the on-field failures. And Madden said that Davis’s widow, Carol, and his son, Mark, “won’t be Al.”
“You don’t replace a guy like that. No way. No damn way. You look at the things he’s done that no one ever did before, being a scout, assistant coach, coach, head coach, general manager, commissioner and owner.”
He added, “I don’t think they’ll sell the team, but they have to hire quality people to do the job.”
Madden is thinking about going to the Raiders’ home game Sunday against the Browns. After leaving broadcasting, Madden joined Davis in the owner’s suite before moving into his own. “He had his chair and the other chair was always kind of waiting for me to sit in it and Carol’s chair is on the other side,” he said. “I think I’m going to sit in that chair, and him not being there is going to be tough. I still haven’t come to grips with it.”
A version of this article appeared in print on October 14, 2011, on page B13 of the New York edition with the headline: For Grieving Madden, A Death in the Family.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 11:36 am
If Hue and McKenzie are on the same page, and Hue gets it that he’s just a coach, then fine, he can stay. But what I don’t want is to see any kind of a power struggle. If that’s the case then Hue’s gone, and rightly so.
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Hue filled the void created by Al’s death and acted as a good spokes person for the organization. Quick…name the last Raider team to sellout all 8 home games yet register a losing home record…
What I’m saying is that Hue is a good coach in that he is able to get people to buy in to what he’s saying. Now with a GM to support the needs of the team and take a lot of pressure off of him he should realize the opportunity and slow his roll on all the media commentary.
Reggie’s job is to identify players that fit with our program and set the tone for how the organization will present it’s football operations to the public. I’m sure the big talk that they had before he took the job was separation of power between him and Amy, not him and Hue.
Amy has been working to make the Raiders a sellable product to the media and shed the images of gangsters, etc. She’s doing this so she can help powerbroker a new stadium. That’s her main job with the team.
Reggie now will decide what shape our football team is going to take and Hue will be a part of it. Al identified him and he’s delivered in 2 seasons of service. The offense is solid and young. Hue had no business running the team during the year, but there was no GM to even attempt to salvage the season.
Did we pay too much for Carson? TBD over the next 2 years. Did Al reach for Pryor? Probably. Did Al overpay for some scrubs on D? Absolutely.
With that in mind…Reggie has to clean up Al’s decade long financial mess and help us recover from the trades we lost…Randy for only a 4th rounder, Seymore for 2 1sts, Carson for a 1st and a 2nd.
I would not be surprised to see Reggie do the following:
1) Set the tone with who’s in charge now and also establish a solid working relationship with Hue as to what Hue needs for his coaching staff. I can see us becoming more fan friendly during training camps to help Amy Trask get us a stadium and also make players more accountable during practices.
2) Trade some of our overpaid players for marginal draft picks just to clear the books over the next 2 years. (Jano, Lechler, Seymore, Routt, Huff, McClain, Heyward Bey, Sign & Trade Bush?, Kelley) They can all go away for a couple of picks or get cut as not one of them SIGNIFICANTLY helped our bottom line (Save for Jano and Lechler) Wimbley as an everydown rusher (ala the 1st SD game is a keeper) and under a restructured contract should stay a Raider.
3) Stock pile picks and refuse to mortgage the future. This year will have to see what we can get for our garbage and then next year I have no doubt we’ll have a full compliment of draft picks.
4) Target low cost FA for the next 2 seasons to help re-inforce our DL and LBs.
5) Target our next DC. Although I would like to see Rod Woodson retained.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
“One thing I am certain of – If McKenzie goes with a QB other than Carson Palmer, it will most assuredly not be Jason Campbell.”
I am sure that every position will be evaluated including players, coaches, janitors etc.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
For the first time in decades,
we have the ability to attract a Top Tier HC…
Let’s not get nostalgic on a guy who has had mediocre results here…
Let’s get our staff set and develop into the kind of franchise the bottom dwellars are looking to for talent.
Is Hue a HC candidate for any other team in the NFL?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Post 815…what exactly did I spelled wrong? Lol idiot ass RaiderPunk…..
January 7th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
827.VanHeathen Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
For the first time in decades,
we have the ability to attract a Top Tier HC…
Let’s not get nostalgic on a guy who has had mediocre results here…
Let’s get our staff set and develop into the kind of franchise the bottom dwellars are looking to for talent.
Is Hue a HC candidate for any other team in the NFL?
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Top tier head coach? This year??
Who besides Fisher and Fisher aint coming here.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Starting with the corners – not such a good plan. I agree with Madden. Start with the OL.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Winston Moss will stop the penalties and B.S and get the players to play for him
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absolutely…
maybe they will do the same thing as they did with Hue… Hue had a year as OC, then Cable was shown the door..
Maybe they will make Winston Moss, DC assistant HC for a year?!?!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
“One thing I am certain of – If McKenzie goes with a QB other than Carson Palmer, it will most assuredly not be Jason Campbell.”
I am sure that every position will be evaluated including players, coaches, janitors etc.
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Janitors are the province of Amy Trask (who will undoubtedly be retained). Players and coaches, on the other hand? I’m sure Reggie’s starting over with a clean slate.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Invested too much in carson so play someone who u know u will never win with? Lol so smart…Robert Carson Palmer sucks
January 7th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Starting with the corners – not such a good plan. I agree with Madden. Start with the OL.
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Me too.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I’d like to know how the players really feel about Hue. If they want to play for him, great, I hope he stays. If not I hope that Mckenzie makes an unbiased decision whether to keep him or not.
I’m pretty postitive that McKenzie already has a game plan and will hit the ground running as soon as he arrives in Oakland.
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The 1st thing I think when I read comments like this is…how many of these supposed players that Hue rubbed the wrong way are worthy of wearing Silver and Black next season?
If Hue being pissed at the end of the season because Bres is trash and his players didn’t rise to the occassion rubbed some players the wrong way then those players need to go.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
After McKenzie sits down and watches film, the players that will stick out and get shown the door are as follows:
Offense:
Louis Murphy
TJ Housh
Khalif Barnes
Samson Satele
Bruce Campbell
Glass Schillenz
Defense:
Slowlando McClain
Kam Wimbley – Will need to restructure to stay
Tommy Kelly – Will need to restructure to stay
Seymour – To big of a cap hit so stuck with him
Lito
Gio
Huff
Moss
MM34
Routt – Will stay but will be in short leash
Trevor Scott – probably first one to go
Chump B and the whole D staff
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Once again, the DEFENSE is what cost this team wins and the playoffs and most of us saw this coming right when Chuck B was hired as the DC. I knew that clown running the D would cost us wins, never thought it would cost us the division as well. Let’s get Hue a REAL DC and add some more talent to that side of the ball and reduce the penalties and see what Hue can do after that.
If Reggie wants Moss as his head coach, then so be it, but they better keep Saunders as OC, or else the offense will regress….guaranteed!
If McKenzie and Hue go to a 3-4 D, then they need a proper 3-4 DC who will allow them the flexibility to switch to a 4-3 at any given time. I think Dean Pees, the LB coach for Ravens and former Pats DC (when they were a good Defense) would be a good hire IF they convert to 3-4 scheme.
The Raiders don’t have pieces yet either for a 3-4 scheme though. They need a legit 3-4 NT, and then at least two legit 3-4 OLB’s.
It’s debatable if Shauny can convert to a stand up 3-4 OLB position. He can no doubt rush the passer and play well versus the run standing up, but can he back pedal, open the hips and move laterally to cover in zones?
I think Houston and Bryant can play 3-4 DE’s and I think Kelly and Seymour can rotate as well as 3-4 DE’s and be put in during 4-3 fronts.
Wimbley is not a 3-4 OLB, can’t cover….his specialty is playing as a down RDE and rushing the passer and causing disruption in the backfield. If the Raiders hire a REAL 4-3 DC like Spagnolo or Del Rio, they need to move Wimbley down as the full time rush RDE and let him do what he does best, rush the passer. Then add a vet legit 4-3 SAM OLB to compete and push McClain and Curry. Matter of fact they will need two vet LB’s who can play in a 4-3 scheme!!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Post 815…what exactly did I spelled wrong? Lol idiot ass RaiderPunk…..
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The word “Spelled” in this last e-mail. The word “Duck” in all of yours. If/when you grow up, adults will expect you to spell and use grammar correctly. Ask your teacher about it tomorrow.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I don’t think players give much of a rip who is the coach.
As Jerry says, as long as the check clears, they will get over any hurt feelings real quick.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
835.Cervantes Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
I’d like to know how the players really feel about Hue. If they want to play for him, great, I hope he stays. If not I hope that Mckenzie makes an unbiased decision whether to keep him or not.
I’m pretty postitive that McKenzie already has a game plan and will hit the ground running as soon as he arrives in Oakland.
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The 1st thing I think when I read comments like this is…how many of these supposed players that Hue rubbed the wrong way are worthy of wearing Silver and Black next season?
If Hue being pissed at the end of the season because Bres is trash and his players didn’t rise to the occassion rubbed some players the wrong way then those players need to go.
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Yep. Overpaid players on D, crying cause their coach called them out and they didn’t like it?
Get rid of them!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I believe I heard that McKenzie has permission from the Packers to go to work right away..
Did I hear that correctly?.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Atlanta had ZERO weapons that year. Remember that Michael Turner was still LT’s caddy in San Diego.
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I don’t know if I would agree that Atl had ZERO weapons. They had Warrick Dunn, Alga Crumpler, Roddy White, Laurent Robinson, and were coming off an 8-8 season I think. Just like now. Another coincidence was Tom Cable was a major offensive assist on that 8-8 team that Jackson followed.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Send hue’s sorry ass outta here or risk 10 straight season with no postseason for sure
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I believe I heard that McKenzie has permission from the Packers to go to work right away..
Did I hear that correctly?.
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Yes.
Tuesday 2:00 pm press conference.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
The McKenzie hire will go down as the “Greatest Hire in Pro Football” to quote Hue who I suspect will not be around when it is validated
January 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Thanks… Good news..
January 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Send hue’s sorry ass outta here or risk 10 straight season with no postseason for sure
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B….
You don’t really BELIEVE that.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
My money is on Moss as the new HC. McKenzie probably talked to him a month ago. They might have already decided on rest of the staff.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
I feel like we ended the season with a Win by signing McKenzie…. Didn’t feel so good after game 16… This helped ..Bigtime!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
The McKenzie hire will go down as the “Greatest Hire in Pro Football” to quote Hue who I suspect will not be around when it is validated
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LOL
I think Hue will still be around come Tuesday.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
On all this Hue non-sense…
Is it possible he will get canned? Sure. But who’s going to replace him?
Moss? Guys never even been a DC.
Perry? See Moss.
Del Rio?
McDaniel?
Spagnolo?
Ryan?
Turner?
Hue made some rookie coaching mistakes and certainly is headstrong…but he’s also very talented. Dude coaxed 26 points per game out of freakin’ Soup and 26ppg out of Carson with no training camp, no healthy skill guys, after a mid-season trade and no training camp…I can’t recall the last time a QB got traded mid-season from one team to another and was able to do that.
Perspective people.
Change for the sake of change is just that…change.
Change for a HC that is definitely better than Hue I’d be fine with, but where is that coach?
Fisher? No Thanks
Cowher? Pass
If you want Hue gone answer me this…
Who out there is better than him AND available?
I, for one, want to see what Hue can do with even average DC and SP coaches and some depth. These are things Reggie can help with.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I believe I heard that McKenzie has permission from the Packers to go to work right away..
Did I hear that correctly?.
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Yes.
Tuesday 2:00 pm press conference.
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He is their top draft talent evaluator among other things. Might as well be doing that for us here asap. GB did the class thing by letting him go now.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Send hue’s sorry ass outta here or risk 10 straight season with no postseason for sure
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I didn’t read this right the 1st time.
Thought you meant ANOTHER 10 years of losing.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Fisher and Cowher have taken team to the SB, and in Cowhers case, won a SB…
Hue hasn’t won jack crap in this league,
but yeah, he’s a better HC, that’s laughable.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
This blog needs a GM!
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Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Lance Kiffen
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Agreed
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Fingers Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
I believe I heard that McKenzie has permission from the Packers to go to work right away..
Did I hear that correctly?.
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Yes.
Tuesday 2:00 pm press conference.
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He is their top draft talent evaluator among other things. Might as well be doing that for us here asap. GB did the class thing by letting him go now.
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Green Bay did act with class. Big ups to them.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
If McKenzie is comfortable with HJ and feels they can work together he could come back.It is that simple.What I find humorous is most were upset because we didn’t win the division and make the play-offs,yet now are saying the team is void of talent.If McKenzie does clean house hopefully code black will be one of the things that goes forever.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Once again, the DEFENSE is what cost this team wins and the playoffs and most of us saw this coming right when Chuck B was hired as the DC. I knew that clown running the D would cost us wins, never thought it would cost us the division as well. Let’s get Hue a REAL DC and add some more talent to that side of the ball and reduce the penalties and see what Hue can do after that.
If Reggie wants Moss as his head coach, then so be it, but they better keep Saunders as OC, or else the offense will regress….guaranteed!
If McKenzie and Hue go to a 3-4 D, then they need a proper 3-4 DC who will allow them the flexibility to switch to a 4-3 at any given time. I think Dean Pees, the LB coach for Ravens and former Pats DC (when they were a good Defense) would be a good hire IF they convert to 3-4 scheme.
The Raiders don’t have pieces yet either for a 3-4 scheme though. They need a legit 3-4 NT, and then at least two legit 3-4 OLB’s.
It’s debatable if Shauny can convert to a stand up 3-4 OLB position. He can no doubt rush the passer and play well versus the run standing up, but can he back pedal, open the hips and move laterally to cover in zones?
I think Houston and Bryant can play 3-4 DE’s and I think Kelly and Seymour can rotate as well as 3-4 DE’s and be put in during 4-3 fronts.
Wimbley is not a 3-4 OLB, can’t cover….his specialty is playing as a down RDE and rushing the passer and causing disruption in the backfield. If the Raiders hire a REAL 4-3 DC like Spagnolo or Del Rio, they need to move Wimbley down as the full time rush RDE and let him do what he does best, rush the passer. Then add a vet legit 4-3 SAM OLB to compete and push McClain and Curry. Matter of fact they will need two vet LB’s who can play in a 4-3 scheme!!
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Post makes so much dam# sense it’s scary. And thank you for identifying a good candidate for DC.
During the 1st SD game when Wimbley essentially won us the game by spending it in the back field I was like…maybe dum azz Bres will see this and decide to rush Wimbley on every down for the rest of the season…next week guy’s in coverage…giving us 3 LBs with no clue as to how to cover down field.
From the moment he was hired I’ve been screaming for Bres to be demoted.
Wimbley is a 24/7 pass rusher, just move him around and let him go to work.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Atlanta had ZERO weapons that year. Remember that Michael Turner was still LT’s caddy in San Diego.
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I don’t know if I would agree that Atl had ZERO weapons. They had Warrick Dunn, Alga Crumpler, Roddy White, Laurent Robinson, and were coming off an 8-8 season I think. Just like now. Another coincidence was Tom Cable was a major offensive assist on that 8-8 team that Jackson followed.
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Dunn was old and washed up, and their pretty-good pass catchers were worthless without someone to get them the ball, which they didn’t have. There’s a reason they turned around so fast the next year; they signed Michael Turner to run it and drafted QB Matt Ryan, who could actually throw the ball accurately.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue proved he was a decent offensive coordinator.
Didn’t prove jack spit he’s a head coach
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Cervantes Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
On all this Hue non-sense…
Is it possible he will get canned? Sure. But who’s going to replace him?
Moss? Guys never even been a DC.
Perry? See Moss.
Del Rio?
McDaniel?
Spagnolo?
Ryan?
Turner?
Hue made some rookie coaching mistakes and certainly is headstrong…but he’s also very talented. Dude coaxed 26 points per game out of freakin’ Soup and 26ppg out of Carson with no training camp, no healthy skill guys, after a mid-season trade and no training camp…I can’t recall the last time a QB got traded mid-season from one team to another and was able to do that.
Perspective people.
Change for the sake of change is just that…change.
Change for a HC that is definitely better than Hue I’d be fine with, but where is that coach?
Fisher? No Thanks
Cowher? Pass
If you want Hue gone answer me this…
Who out there is better than him AND available?
I, for one, want to see what Hue can do with even average DC and SP coaches and some depth. These are things Reggie can help with.
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The only person I would want over Hue this season is Jon Gruden!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue made some rookie coaching mistakes and certainly is headstrong…but he’s also very talented. Dude coaxed 26 points per game out of freakin’ Soup and 26ppg out of Carson with no training camp, no healthy skill guys, after a mid-season trade and no training camp…I can’t recall the last time a QB got traded mid-season from one team to another and was able to do that.
Perspective people.
Change for the sake of change is just that…change.
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I don’t think it is change just for the sake of change. Let me ask all of you a simple question. And this is a HYPOTHETICAL. Say you have a team vying for the playoffs. That team is in the hunt. And they drop their last 5 games. And unlike Lovie Smith’s situation in Chi where he loses his Pro Bowl starting Q, this teams demise is for no one discernible reason. Do you keep the head coach?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
This should end the ridiculousness at least for one more year.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
And for all the people slamming Hue for the Carson trade…we did get Curry for a 7th rounder, which is and will prove to be a steal with any damn coaching.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
The sources for that story are probably hue Jackson and his parents.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Playoffs…..hmmmm…..
Let’s get a head coach so that the Raiders can play in some of these games…instead of making excuses…whoulda coulda shooulda
Get Hue on the road
January 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
A little perspective, Cable’s Raiders would not sniff 8-8 without Hue calling plays. This year, the Raiders were plagued with key injuries (some of you will plead this is no excuse, but he was a rookie coach). The offense put up enough points to win the division. The D on the other hand underperformed. I place the majority of the blame on Chucky B. From the onset Al Davis was the D coordinator, when Al passed this left Chucky B to scheme and he was woefully inept. With an average D we would have won 10 games.
Now there are some things that I need to pick a bone with Hue, first is instilling disciple. Correct the penalty issue. I sometimes think Al drafted players with low football IQ’s. Another problem is Hue seems like a guy who is power hungry and spouts off irrationally. If we start drafting and getting high football IQ players and McKenzie can reign in Hue we have ourselves a winner.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Now Reggie and Hue can form a strong team to get this Raiders football to the next level!
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
January 7th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Okay, Eliot Wolf wont be joining the Oakland Raiders..
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
MR,
Don’t forget to swith over, your handles, right now your The realist dirty racoon.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Curry is a guy that will be under review by Reggie.
Again, a good game here and there
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Now Reggie and Hue can form a strong team to get this Raiders football to the next level!
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Why are so many concerned with Amy and Herrera?Amy will still run the business aspect of the team.Herrera has no say in the football operations.Mark will stay out of the way and let the man he hired do his job-run the football operations of the team.The meddling old man isn’t here any longer and I doubt Mark will follow in his footsteps.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Current Raider Roster (supposedly)
Quarterbacks
— Rhett Bomar
3 Carson Palmer
6 Terrelle Pryor
Running Backs
22 Taiwan Jones
42 James McCluskey FB
20 Darren McFadden
36 Lonyae Miller
41 Manase Tonga FB
Wide Receivers
12 Jacoby Ford
85 Darrius Heyward-Bey
14 Derrick Jones
16 Eddie McGee
17 Denarius Moore
18 Louis Murphy
Tight Ends
86 David Ausberry
87 Kevin Boss
82 Richard Gordon FB
83 Brandon Myers
Offensive Linemen
72 Joseph Barksdale T/G
74 Bruce Campbell T/G
66 Cooper Carlisle G
70 Zach Hurd G
65 Alex Parsons G
68 Jared Veldheer T
61 Stefen Wisniewski G/C
Defensive Linemen
73 Jamie Cumbie DT
— Hall Davis DE
79 John Henderson DT
99 Lamarr Houston DE
97 Travis Ivey DT
93 Tommy Kelly DT
92 Richard Seymour DT
77 Matt Shaughnessy DE
Linebackers
51 Aaron Curry OLB
50 Travis Goethel MLB
53 Carl Ihenacho OLB
55 Rolando McClain MLB
96 Kamerion Wimbley OLB
Defensive Backs
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
31 Hiram Eugene FS
24 Michael Huff FS
37 Chris Johnson CB
28 Terrail Lambert CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
26 Stanford Routt CB
— Curtis Taylor FS
23 DeMarcus Van Dyke CB
Special Teams
59 Jon Condo LS
11 Sebastian Janikowski K
9 Shane Lechler P
Reserve Lists
Currently vacant
Unrestricted FAs
69 Khalif Barnes OT
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
7 Kyle Boller QB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
29 Michael Bush RB
8 Jason Campbell QB
25 Rock Cartwright RB
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
75 Stephon Heyer OT
84 T. J. Houshmandzadeh WR
94 Jarvis Moss DE
64 Samson Satele C
81 Chaz Schilens WR
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
Restricted FAs
90 Desmond Bryant DT/DE
Exclusive-Rights FAs
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
45 Marcel Reece FB
January 7th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raiders Staff (supposedly)
Front Office
Owner(s) – Mark and Carol Davis (majority owners)
Chief Executive – Amy Trask
General Manager – Reggie McKenzie
Senior Executive – John Herrera
Head Coaches
Head Coach – Hue Jackson
Offensive Coaches
Offensive Coordinator – Al Saunders
Running Backs – Kelly Skipper
Wide Receivers – Sanjay Lal
Tight Ends – Adam Henry
Offensive Line – Bob Wylie
Assistant Offensive Line – Steve Wisniewski
Offensive Assistant – Eric Sanders
Defensive Coaches
Defensive Coordinator – Vacant
Defensive Line – Mike Waufle
Linebackers – Vacant
Assistant Linebackers – Ricky Hunley
Secondary – Vacant
Defensive Assistant – Mike Clark
Special Teams Coaches
Special Teams Coordinator – John Fassel
Special Teams Assistant – Bob Ligashesky
Strength and Conditioning
Strength and Conditioning – Brad Roll
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris DiSanto
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris Pearson
January 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Odds are that Hue will be at the Tuesday press conference, all smiles, and saying “Now I’m free to concentrate on my coaching!” or somesuch.
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DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
One of the sources said, “…Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach…”
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Can I call it, or can I call it?
January 7th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue made some rookie coaching mistakes and certainly is headstrong…but he’s also very talented. Dude coaxed 26 points per game out of freakin’ Soup and 26ppg out of Carson with no training camp, no healthy skill guys, after a mid-season trade and no training camp…I can’t recall the last time a QB got traded mid-season from one team to another and was able to do that.
Perspective people.
Change for the sake of change is just that…change.
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I don’t think it is change just for the sake of change. Let me ask all of you a simple question. And this is a HYPOTHETICAL. Say you have a team vying for the playoffs. That team is in the hunt. And they drop their last 5 games. And unlike Lovie Smith’s situation in Chi where he loses his Pro Bowl starting Q, this teams demise is for no one discernible reason. Do you keep the head coach?
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Hypothetical Answer. If the players quit. The players are gone thanks to non-guaranteed contracts. If the coach got out coached then the coach is gone.
Actual Answer. Rookie Head Coach, loses his starting QB for 12 games, starting Pro Bowl RB for 11 games, starting WRs for 10 games total, loses his owner and GM mid season, has to assume control of all operations mid season, has been saddled with the worst DC in league history for a D with a substantial number of players with the rep for underachieving, D surrenders 433 points, team plays like chumps against Miami, gets destroyed by the SB Champs, loses 2nd game on the last play of the game while on defense, and then loses last game of the season after D can only stop other team 1 damn time at home and gives up a 99 yard drive in the 4th Q…and inspite of all of this team still goes 8-8 and averages 26 points per game (minus Boller debacle).
If you want to send a message to the players that their paychecks are dependent upon production then you support the coach who’s pissed the players didn’t step up.
If you want more of the same scholarship mentality you fire the only coach this decade after Gruden who’s been able to score points and coddle a bunch of grown men who are stealing money from the organization.
Thank you…I’ve seen how that movie turns out for the last 9 years. I’m good. I’ll take the coach who is pissed and ready to fire and cut people.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Dunn was old and washed up, and their pretty-good pass catchers were worthless without someone to get them the ball, which they didn’t have. There’s a reason they turned around so fast the next year; they signed Michael Turner to run it and drafted QB Matt Ryan, who could actually throw the ball accurately.
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Now what you say is true. However the team before jackson got there was decent and the one immediately after Jackson was an 11-5 playoff team. So there had to be some players on that team.
I agree with you that the demise of that Atl team and our team this year is not on Jackson at least not 100% on Jackson. I can agree Hue is not completely the problem. The bigger question is, Is Hue the solution? I think that was answered clearly in Atl and here.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
If Hue and McKenzie are truly on the same page about what needs to be done to improve the team, that’s all that matters. Let them go to work.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Ha ha ha Jonnie Lee Higgiyyyyy working out for the Cheatriots.!
***
Raccoon,
the Pats must have a burning desire to win.
who knew?
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They must need someone to run away from the Ball.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Cervantes Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
If you want Hue gone answer me this…
Who out there is better than him AND available?
I, for one, want to see what Hue can do with even average DC and SP coaches and some depth. These are things Reggie can help with.
Well said. I agree that he should be given this year to improve. I just hope that he can tone down and be a little less cocky at times. All season, Hue has been “Politically Correct” and took the blame for all shortcomings. I was glad to hear his last presser. People say he threw folks under the bus, to me, this time he called it like we all saw it. Glad he put it out there. I still hope Woodson is given a fair chance. He was a rookie coach in a bad situation. We don’t know if he had a voice or say in anything that went down. His reputation speaks for itself. The young gun DB’s that we have (DVD & Chekwa) should respect him and learn from him. If the Defense as a whole and the DB’s don’t improve next season, “Clean house”…… Chuck B spot should be cleared out by now.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Odds are that Hue will be at the Tuesday press conference, all smiles, and saying “Now I’m free to concentrate on my coaching!” or somesuch.
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DKnight007 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
One of the sources said, “…Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach…”
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Can I call it, or can I call it?
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Cool! Now we can move forward with improving this team on the defensive side and restructuring overpaid contracts and freeing up cap space and trying to add at least two more draft picks in this years draft.
We also need a new Strength and Conditioning coach. Brad Roll needs to go!
January 7th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
MR,
Don’t forget to swith over, your handles, right now your The realist dirty racoon.
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Oops, I thought you were the real Raider Dell, my mistake, you must be one of those hack Trolls.!
January 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Hues Jackson at the McKenzie presser…” I love that Man more than you’ll ever know “”……
January 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Dam, Matt Schaub is still on crutches
January 7th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
To Sullivan44,
I want to thank you for your cool demeanor yesterday. You threw out no words of hurt, and responded well.
The words I speak of, retard or moron were not used and no cuss words also.
I thought you and I have crossed our first bridge to disagreeing with each other without the hurtful words in our comments.
I would like your opinion on a few questions I pose to You.
The first question is, since I’ve been on this blog for 5 years and you have, you let it be known constantly,that you wished Davis had stepped down from the GM duties and hired someone else. You presented his record over and over so It must of bothered you.
My first Question then is, are you pleased with Mckenzie as the GM pick, or did you want someone else.
Second Question, what would you expect Mckenzie to do first as the GM. I mean restructer the office, hire more football related people or gut some of the existing employees.
Third question, should Hugh stay and if he does, will Hugh get to select his own coaches, for offense and defense.
My fourth question, how would you grade Mckenzie as a GM, strictly on wins and losses, draft or overall football operations, et al, draft, FA signings, cap and style of team.
I would hope you would answer, with a detailed comment back, I know you like to keep comments short so break it down for me and do this over time as you have a chance to think it over.
Thanks, Dell.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
People please, people please………………….
Get off the can/hire/fire Hue, Chuck, new coach, etc. et al
Aint nobody goin nowhere but back to work. Aint no HC/DC/OC/ASST goin nowhere but back to work.
Anybody honestly think the new GM is gonna release anyone???????? These are all Mr. Davis’ hires and letting them go would tarnish the last move of his legacy.
Everyone, EVERYONE stays on board for another season. Now maybe Saunders calls the offense, Chucky B is put on alert, Woodson and Biekert got to step it up and so on and so on.
We got a new GM and I’m sure the way management sees it, thats all we need. Plus clip a bit of Hues’ wings and we be ready to roll.
But aint no-one goin nowhere and makin Als’ last hirees look bad. Als’ last move as GM wont be treated like trash. You don’t toss his picks out like bagged up garbage. No way. Ain’t gonna fcking happen.
Al was the GM and it will remain with his picks for another season.
Get ova it!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
granitobiusticor Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
People please, people please………………….
Get off the can/hire/fire Hue, Chuck, new coach, etc. et al
Aint nobody goin nowhere but back to work. Aint no HC/DC/OC/ASST goin nowhere but back to work.
Anybody honestly think the new GM is gonna release anyone????????
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Funny, considering that Bresnahan, Biekert, Woodson and Ross are already clearing out their offices as we speak.
Amusing post, though.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
“Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Lance Kiffen
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Agreed”
One slight adjustment
Sullivan = John Wayne Gacy that has not been caught yet
January 11th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Janokowski ties an all-time record with a 63 yard field goal and doesn’t make All-Pro but Akers, who benefits from the ‘9ers not being able to make TDs does? Sportswriters suck … and I mean that as a verb not an adjective.
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