Raiders confirm McKenzie hire — updated
By Steve Corkran
Friday, January 6th, 2012 at 12:29 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders just confirmed the hiring of Reggie McKenzie as their general manager. A news conference is scheduled for Tuesday at 2 p.m.
Since this post, I received confirmation that McKenzie will be at the news conference Tuesday. Also, word from Green Bay says McKenzie will begin working for the Raiders right away as they attempt to fill the power vacuum created by the death of Al Davis in early October.
McKenzie has been with the Green Bay Packers since 1994. He currently is the Packers dirrector of football operations. The Packers are in the NFC Playoffs, and they could be playing for most of the next month if they are to make it as far as the Super Bowl.
However, it appears as if the Packers have agreed to let McKenzie begin his new job in the coming days, which is great news for the Raiders.
Follow me on Twitter: @corkonthenfl
[You can leave a response, or trackback from your own site.]
January 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
YESSSSSSSS!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Hell Yeah, Raider Nation!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
If they are announcing the hiring I assume he has been released from hi Packers’ obligations and can start now.
Coaches can’t be hired until their teams are out of the playoffs, and it was reported that the same rule applied to front office guys, so if the Raiders are having a press conference, McKenzie must have been released by the Pack.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Welcome Home #54. This is a great hire for the Raiders
!!! Next a new defensive coordinator.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Wonder who will be at the press conference, and what, if any, announcements will be made.
Will Mark say anything?
Will Hue be there?
Will Herrera be his normal charming self?
Will they announce DC staffing changes?
Will either of the Wolf’s be there?
Over/under on how many plates of BBQ Jerry takes down:
3
January 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Thats whats up
January 6th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
The Raiders just confirmed the hiring of Reggie McKenzie as their general manager. A news conference is scheduled for Tuesday at 2 p.m.
***
this time next year
Raiders = AFC West Champs!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@YoungAmerican
Is Seymour too old and slow to move back to DE? Or would he just be expensive back-up?
If Houston is the 3-tech?
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
616.YoungAmerican Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Hey me too, but players have had injuries early in their careers and then overcome them (Charles Woodson anyone?).
————-
From 1998-2001, Charles Woodson started every game but one.
++++++++++++
Woodson broke his leg like twice and had turf toe injuries his final years with the Raiders…..and he was still young when that happened.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Davis made some good drafts these last few years, which is a damn big part of a GM’s job. BUT, even though I’ll stick up for Al, there’s no denying that this hire is a turning point for the Raiders. And Reggie is the right man for the job.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@YoungAmerican
Is Seymour too old and slow to move back to DE? Or would he just be expensive back-up?
If Houston is the 3-tech?
—-
ALl those questions are mute.
We need to switch to 3-4 for them to be effective.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Best.News. EVER!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
QUESTION:
since Reggie Mac was the ‘Director of Football Operations’ for Green Bay, is he free to leave their organization today?
I know coaches have to wait until the season is over, but can still come to some sort of verbal agreement. Is it different with upper management?
It’s not like Aaron Rodgers’ game would tank (knowing that they might lose Reggie, Shaun Herock & Eliot Wolf)
The players and coaches wouldn’t even notice these guys in suits were gone until the offseason, right?
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I’ll take the OVER Vegas!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Dear GM,
please bring Shaun Herock & Eliot Wolf with you !!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Welcome home Reggie McKenzie.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Dear GM,
please bring Shaun Herock & Eliot Wolf with you !!
======
He’ll probably bring in his buddy eliot
January 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Dear GM,
please bring Shaun Herock & Eliot Wolf with you !!
—-
This.
And then hire Nolan & Manusky.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
JFB,
you can best bet Trask, Herrera & Jackson will be there.
not sure if Mark Davis will be or not?
January 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I’m down w/ Nolan. Dude is an outstanding 3-4 D-cordinator.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
YES! That made my Friday!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Feels a bit like Ozzie Newsome taking over as GM of the Browns/Ravens, doesn’t it? If he’s half the GM Newsome is, the Raiders will be kicking ass.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
congrats Mark Davis for acting swiftly on good advice.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
@YoungAmerican
Is Seymour too old and slow to move back to DE? Or would he just be expensive back-up?
—————-
If the Raiders go 3-4, Seymour should absolutely be retained because he’s the only Raider with any experience playing 5-tech DE.
I never thought of him as a good fit at 4-3 DE. If the Raiders add a 4-3 DE he needs to be a big-time pass rusher like Cliff Avril.
Houston is a natural fit at 3-tech DT. High motor, active in the run game, gives him way more opportunities to be disruptive.
3-4 or 4-3, the Raiders needs are pretty similar.
If they stay 4-3, they need a 1-tech gap-plugging DT to put next to Houston, and a big-time pass rusher at RDE.
If they go 3-4, they need a 0-tech NT who can take on blockers at the point of attack, and they need a blindside OLB who can consistently make plays behind the line of scrimmage.
LB and CB/FS are also going to be needs in either the 3-4 or the 4-3.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Best part of this new hire? We will never again have to read about how a young up and coming HC like Sean Payton passed on the job at the advice of former Raider coaches and other NFL personnel.
That era is over.
The Raiders will become a desired destination once again…..for players who want to win, not just get that last big contract, and for coaches who are qualified.
It is finally over.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Joe Philbin as HC & Tom Clements as OC would be sweet.
Brett Favre = Carson Palmer
Aaron Rodgers = Terrelle Pryor
dig it?
January 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I’m all for Hue getting another interview for HC and leaving the decision to Reggie to keep or fire him.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
@YoungAmerican
Thanks, always like to hear your take on things…got my vote for the semi-pro blogger bowl.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Joe Philbin as HC & Tom Clements as OC would be sweet.
Brett Favre = Carson Palmer
Aaron Rodgers = Terrelle Pryor
dig it?
=======
hmmmmm……
No
January 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Hue better hope Reggie didn’t see those mani/pedi pics!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
People just don’t get it on the 3-4/4-3 debate.
These teams around the league, never stay in their base defense even 40% of the time.
The Packers ran the 2-4-5 over 40% of the time last year, and the 3-4 less than 20%. Raji played more DE than DT.
It’s about being creative and confusing to the offense.
Doesn’t matter if you have replace Lamar Houston with Travis Goethel on the field.
You have to confuse and fluster the offense. We were the one’s confused and flustered last year.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
28.DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I’m all for Hue getting another interview for HC and leaving the decision to Reggie to keep or fire him.
And I think that is how it should be…at least a meeting in Reggie’s new office!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
28.DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I’m all for Hue getting another interview for HC and leaving the decision to Reggie to keep or fire him.
===========================================
99% chance that Reggie taking the job means he’s comfortable with Hue as coach. Not a lot of .500 coaches getting fired, no matter what people on this blog think of HJ.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Glad all doubt has been removed now.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Doesn’t matter if you have replace Lamar Houston with Travis Goethel on the field.
————-
Yes, it absolutely does.
What makes systems work – even, and ESPECIALLY systems that show multiple fronts – is having players in positions that cater to their skill sets.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Unrestricted FAs
69 Khalif Barnes OT
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
7 Kyle Boller QB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
29 Michael Bush RB
8 Jason Campbell QB
25 Rock Cartwright RB
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
75 Stephon Heyer OT
84 T. J. Houshmandzadeh WR
94 Jarvis Moss DE
64 Samson Satele C
81 Chaz Schilens WR
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
Restricted FAs
90 Desmond Bryant DT/DE
Exclusive-Rights FAs
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
45 Marcel Reece FB
***
Dear GM,
Reece & Bryant should be easy enough to retain.
Please make competitive offers to Bush & Branch and let the others walk the plank. RAIDERS!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
This is finally what I have waited for since 1984!!! Been a long time in the friggen making! Love ya, Al, and RIP…but smile down on the earth when The Raiders get back to greatness! Your boy did you proud today!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Ya, im just saying out base needs to be a 3-4.
Not that we should run that 100% of the snaps.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
could not have said it any better than Dakota…
It is a brand new day to be a Raider fan.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Not saying fire him, Davy…just have the two meet and go over what the new GM expects and its up to Hue to act on it! Hue said he would be on board with going through a GM…it’s final, let it begin!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Lets hope Reggie can win us at least another 3 super bowls! I dont know too many GM’s that brought thier teams to 5 super bowls. Al’s legacy:
Super Bowl Championships (3)
1976 (XI), 1980 (XV), 1983 (XVIII)
Conference championships (4) AFC: 1976, 1980, 1983, 2002
Division championships (15) AFL West: 1967, 1968, 1969
AFC West: 1970, 1972, 1973, 1974, 1975, 1976, 1983, 1985, 1990, 2000, 2001, 2002
The Fairweather fans dont think so, but Al’s shoes are going to be tough to fill.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
633.J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
I’d like to see if Wimbley can be more consistent with a real RDE across from him, Shaughnessy at LE, and Houston playing 3-tech DT.
——————————————————-
ShoNasty at LDE????
You think he is strong enough to hold the edge on that side?
I like Houston there in running situations.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
40 years ago the Oakland Coliseum would rock to the chants of Reggie! Reggie! for Reginald Martinez Jackson.
though that is unlikely to happen now at the Coliseum it can happen here in blogdom.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Here you go guys, learn yourselves something:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/vault/article/magazine/MAG1189944/index.htm
January 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The Fairweather fans dont think so, but Al’s shoes are going to be tough to fill.
They are, because I don’t think any owner present day was as smart as he was! Yes, he made some mistakes, but…hey my dad is turning 80 this year too…and he is making errors that he used to not make…Welcome aboard Reggie!…Sorry, Welcome Back!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
77’s biggest problem now is getting that shoulder up to strength. Especially if he is gonna play 3-4 end.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Dakota,
I’m not opposed to us getting Howard.
I just think WE have the leverage now because of the way Bynum us playing.
I’d really like to hold on to the Mavs #1 pick. I think that will be a lottery pick.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
FK Reggie Jackson!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
No Philbin as HC what does he even do. It seems like he is getting credit for the work of McCarthy and ARod
January 6th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
From that link:
“The biggest myth in football is that your base defense is what you are. The Patriots are known as a 3–4, so they should want a big nose guy and 290-pound defensive ends who play the run first. Right? When New England signed troubled defensive tackle Albert Haynesworth, the outcry wasn’t so much about Haynesworth’s work ethic but about how he’d fit in. Haynesworth hates the 3–4, and Bill Belichick’s a 3–4 guy. But is he really? “That’s a media fabrication,” the Patriots coach says. “There are a lot of different alignments out there. It’s the techniques, the fundamentals that you teach your players, more than the 3–4, 4–3 that people say you use.”
In fact the Patriots played a 3–4 on just 39.7% of their snaps in 2010, according to game-tape analysis by ProFootballFocus.com. The site counted 29 plays on which New England cornerback Kyle Arrington lined up at defensive end, with his hand on the ground.
The Patriots weren’t alone in this public deception. Super Bowl champ Green Bay, another so-called 3–4 team, had just two defensive linemen on the field on 68.6% of its plays, according to Pro Football Focus.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Ya, im just saying out base needs to be a 3-4.
Not that we should run that 100% of the snaps.
—————-
I’m just saying that 4-3 or 3-4 doesn’t matter unless you have a good coach, and players who are capable of doing what the coach asks of them.
The Raiders simply need to find the best defensive coach available to them, because their needs are similar no matter what base defense they run.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Over 70% of the time, the Packers ARE NOT in a 3-4 defense.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
No more OBVIOUS safety blitzes.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Sweet!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
The ship gets righted TODAY!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Raider Al from Atlanta Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Welcome Home #54. This is a great hire for the Raiders
!!! Next a new defensive coordinator.
++++++++++++++
yes, indeed on all three points!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
That article was led by Sean Peyton.
I think he knows what he is talking about.
“Base” defense is your dad’s NFL.
No such thing today.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
MR. MCKENZIE IN 2DAY,MAKE A DECISION ON HUE 2MORROW 1 WAY OR THE OTHER.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Anybody up for the idea of sitting DMC for the first 7 games so his feet can withstand the last 9-12?
MOVE TO A 3-4 REGGIE!!
January 6th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
I LIKED DADS NFL BETTER..
January 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The interview for GM was done by Mark Davis & John Madden.
Welcome home coach.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I LIKED DADS NFL BETTER..
*********************
The NFL’s health insurance provider doesn’t
January 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Shortly after the press conference, you will hear of the termination of Hue Jackson. Let the cleaning begin and let’s get some winners in the house to coach and raise the level of play from our players.
McKensie to Jackson: ” I hear your pissed.”
Jackson: “You have no idea how pissed I am.”
McKensie: “Well, you’re about to be pissed even more.”
January 6th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The legacy of Al Davis lives.!
Looks like a really good hire Mark Davis.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Patriots and Green Bay defenses are not that good. What about some of the top D’s in the league?
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Oh so your a Clev Browns fan huh? I’ll let Seymour Bush know so he can remind you for the next 3 years.
_____
Davy Jones Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Feels a bit like Ozzie Newsome taking over as GM of the Browns/Ravens, doesn’t it? If he’s half the GM Newsome is, the Raiders will be kicking ass.
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RaiderPunk…..don’t be mad I call it for what is fact! Ur a homo laced post phaggot…and spare that ol 90s argument if you make fun of it that means you’re obsessed…played out and lame…now go back and tend to your knitting class….cuz u couldn’t give a good rebuttal about our best 3rd down wr leaving for housh! Only a moron would dare try
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
nwr8r Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Patriots and Green Bay defenses are not that good. What about some of the top D’s in the league?
—-
The teams with the top D’s…their offenses arent very good lol..
January 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
A legit DC is the first order of business.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Oldtown
LOL!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Lol Mista hahahahaha…cleveland browns saga continues….I’m sure oakglenn will pop in soon
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I forgot to mention that Hammer’s lip sang performance at the coliseum was off the hook!
Bring him back next season.
lol
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
A legit DC is the first order of business.
—-
After the re-signing of Giordano right?..
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Yeah that was nice they should have him sing every commercial break and then send the ladies around for lap dances.
______
DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I forgot to mention that Hammer’s lip sang performance at the coliseum was off the hook!
Bring him back next season.
lol
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Yes! N next up is a new DC im cool with Del rio or spags
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Pat’s and Pack’s D’s are good enough to obtain the conference top seed in the playoffs and to have won Superbowls in this century.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Dmac…lol Hammer needs to bring back the pants and do the chinese typewriter
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
A legit DC is the first order of business.
=====
First order of business should be getting rid of Kelly and Seymour.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Obviously.
____
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Lol Mista hahahahaha…cleveland browns saga continues….I’m sure oakglenn will pop in soon
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Patriots and Green Bay defenses are not that good. What about some of the top D’s in the league?
***********************
Packers D wasn’t any good last year?
The actual magazine had a chart for every team, but that link doesn’t show.
Raiders were 2nd highest in the league in staying in their “Base” defense in 2010,but even than it was only like 60%.
Ravens lined up in the 4-3 more than the 3-4, I do remember that.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
ShoNasty at LDE????
You think he is strong enough to hold the edge on that side?
I like Houston there in running situations.
—————–
Yeah, I think Shaughnessy is pretty solid in the run game, actually. Good (not great) pass-rusher, but most importantly can shed his blocker and make tackles.
Not that I dislike Houston at LE, especially in obvious run situations, I just think that at this point he can help the team more on the inside of the defensive line, where the Raiders continue to struggle against the run. Houston is one of the few players on defense who has good gap discipline pretty consistently.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Duecey lol u killin me with the Giordano thing hahahahaha
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Im down with Gio. If we had 11 Gio’s on Def we would be in the playoffs. He doesn’t have the most talent but he leaves it ALL on the field.
_____
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
After the re-signing of Giordano right?..
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
The Hue haters will be proven wrong, but by the time that happens, they will all be on the bandwagon and wont admit they bashed him!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
This is a good day for us nation. Better days ahead
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Seymour isn’t going anywhere unless they find someone willing to trade with (and take on his $15mil salary). And he agrees to the trade…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
OAKTOWN! OAKTOWN!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
MB, I’m no Browns fan. In fact, I offered them up to MR/Sullivan 44/Trollboy as an alternative team to be a “fan” of. If there is a formerly great football exec who fell on worse hard times than Al Davis, it is Carmen Policy.
On another note, all these fantasies of Reggie firing Hue are just that: fantasies.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Houston has to be replaced.
_____
YoungAmerican Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
ShoNasty at LDE????
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Duecey lol u killin me with the Giordano thing hahahahaha
—-
Lol!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Me either but that wont stop Seymour for using it on you for 3 years like he doing me.
_____
Davy Jones Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
MB, I’m no Browns fan
January 6th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Dave….Hue is finished and is a loser
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Cut that fat lump yesterday if he doesn’t want to dramatically restructure.
______
JLofty Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Seymour isn’t going anywhere unless they find someone willing to trade with (and take on his $15mil salary). And he agrees to the trade…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
How does Houston have to be replaced? How do u replace the invisible?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Great news for the Raiders. I have to think the hire could not have come cheaply, so this is a huge turning point. One thing we know is the coming months and years will be exciting and interesting
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Reggie McKenie….. Nice Win!……Raiderssssss..
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Obviously.
______
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
How does Houston have to be replaced? How do u replace the invisible?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Reggie… Just Do It..!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
First order of business for Mark, Reggie, and Hue. How to terminate Herrera. Do they go the professional route? Call him into the office, break the news gently, offer a severance, etc? Or do they call up a few players, and have them toss both him and his belongings right out the top floor window?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Dakota surely you are not as uneducated as the inbreed Brownstains is so once again:
McFadden could have played but he refused to take pain killer shots.
I will provide the link and the article and the name of his doctor who said this.
The fact that I have to do this shows me that you are either to stupid to read for yourself (Like Brownstains) or such a myopic Mcfadden fan that you refuse to see the lack of toughness.
Because I value your opinion (Dakota) I will actually find the link and post it. The other retard who ignorantly blasted me for posting about this on the last page is beyond help and shows his lack of IQ in here so often that he is not even worth the sweat in a dirty jock strap.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
How does Houston have to be replaced? How do u replace the invisible?
========
C’mon B.
Houston is a solid against the run. Has a great motor. If anything, move him inside.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
JUST GET THE POWER STRUCTER FIGURED SO EVERYONE CAN CONCENTRATE ON IMPROOVING THIS TEAM INSTEAD OF WHO IS WHO’S BOSS.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I highly doubt Huge is “finished” B@uce. I agree he has a long way to go in getting better at his craft. But I would say give him some slack, he was a first year HC, the defacto GM and the OC-playcaller. That is too much on anyone’s plate and I think that showed. ReggieMac will get him back in line and they will get better. Good days ahead…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Hue is done.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I hope Mitt does that to 0hbama.
_____
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Or do they call up a few players, and have them toss both him and his belongings right out the top floor window?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I’ll put my money on Hue over you Method to Your Sadness.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Fukc Seymour. Like I said yesterday, keep Giordano, blow the rest of the defense up, coaches and players. They are 100% worthless as it is. It’s a rebuild project either way. One solid, consistent player who’s made a presence every game.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
OPTION 2 IS THE WAY 2 GO MR…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Keep Giordano and get rid of everyone else??..
*faints*
January 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Can’t cut Dick Seymour either as then you take a $7.5mil cap hit with NOTHING in return.
No, big Rich will play for the S&B in ‘12.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Haha. MB thinks Romney has a chance at beating 0bama. That’s why the Republican party has spent the past 6 months searching for the anti-Romney.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Hopefully he restructures…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Found the article in print if anyone wants to know more.
Ravens in the 4-3 41% of the time 3-4 38%
Steelers in 3-4 only 47% of the time.
Dolphins (Mike Nolan) 3-4 36%, 2 lineman 32%
I’ll leave it at that
January 6th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
@sullivan. A few gift wrapped INTs is no reason to over look an inability to tackle any RB. Inability to catch any WR. Inability effectively blitz. He may have heart, but so did Gradkowski and we all know he sucks!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
duece,
Giordano is the only player on defense that has made himself seen week after week. Rest of defense is MIA for weeks on end, one good game here and there. Gio shows up every mother f’n game. Keep him. The rest are a product of the old guard.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Vegas,
I presume no matter what Reggie McKenzie does with the roster that McSkinnyLegs will still be a Raider come next September.
you need to set up odds for which game he will get injured. (you could wait until the schedule comes out but as he is able to get injured on turf, on dirt, on grass, being hit or not being hit I don’t believe the schedule matters.)
then set up an over/under for games missed.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
6.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Wonder who will be at the press conference, and what, if any, announcements will be made.
Will Mark say anything?
Will Hue be there?
Will Herrera be his normal charming self?
Will they announce DC staffing changes?
Will either of the Wolf’s be there?
Over/under on how many plates of BBQ Jerry takes down:
3
————————————————————————————————————–
I’ll take the under. It’s too early in the New Year to fall off the wagon. Most of the time people break New Year’s resolutions after April. I know he promised himself he would eat smaller portions in 2012.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
duece,
Giordano is the only player on defense that has made himself seen week after week. Rest of defense is MIA for weeks on end, one good game here and there. Gio shows up every mother f’n game. Keep him. The rest are a product of the old guard.
—-
*Not sure if serious face*
January 6th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
M,
over/under can be set today.
Over/Under Darren McFadden games played:
9.5
January 6th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Dave, it’s called making plays. It’s called making yourself seen. It’s like Romo said, we have to know you’re there. That’s how you know who the good defensive players are. You hear the commentators saying their name all day. They show up. You don’t have to look for them. Giordano is our only defensive player that’s been on that level. The rest are on a siesta most of the year, if they’re not getting arrested off the field.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Davis, just what is a “gift wrapped INT”? If he drops the ball, you’re saying he sucks for that. You’re not fooling anyone. You hate Giordano because he’s part of the new, energized mindset that’s here to take over the old, lazy, “let’s just hope they’re afraid of us because we’re the mighty Raiders” mentality.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I think some info will leak before the presser next week on hire/fires all that stuff.
And Herrera will deny it all, than watch as the presser confirms it all.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LA…hahahahaha still defending Fool Jack City? Its okay man…u back that loser but you will come around
January 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Vegas,
does that include playoffs?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
McFadden could have played if he wanted to take the pain killer shots.
Somewhere Jack Youngblood is thinking how pussified the NFL is now days!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Vegas,
does that include playoffs?
************************
Absolutely, postseason counts, preseason does not
January 6th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
I highly doubt the new GM’s first move will be to fire Hue. It would stand to reason that he will have a long term plan and a short term plan. After two 8-8 seasons the short term plan will likely be much different than if the team was at the bottom. Short term plan: Work with Hue to assemble a coaching staff, restructure contracts to bring in a talent upgrade where necessary and begin to build through the draft. You cannot implement a long term plan immediately.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
agreed Herrera should, in all honesty, be the first to go.
He’s the last stink left over from our terrible past.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Dave, it’s called making plays. It’s called making yourself seen. It’s like Romo said, we have to know you’re there. That’s how you know who the good defensive players are. You hear the commentators saying their name all day. They show up. You don’t have to look for them. Giordano is our only defensive player that’s been on that level. The rest are on a siesta most of the year, if they’re not getting arrested off the field.
_____________________________________________________
Haven’t you gone on the record saying Romo was an overated fraud? (Method can confirm). Now you are quoteing him?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
“gift wrapped INTs”. lmfao. Most are. INTs are typically a product of fooling the QB into an errant throw. DB still has to be aware and make the play. Giordano did. Time and time again. Your thanks, as a fan? “Gift wrapped”. Fukc you!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
B@uce,
What do you think of my Nelly-ball comparisions to Hue Jackson?
You know like playing Reece at FB is like J-Rich at the 4, chucking it deep on 3rd and 1 all the time, is like jacking up 30 trey’s a night, big ego, all offense, no defense, bad game management.
I think it is pretty spot on.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Giordano sucks…but at least he did something…rest of defense? Boy few and far in between as far as plays go
January 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
73.DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I forgot to mention that Hammer’s lip sang performance at the coliseum was off the hook!
Bring him back next season.
lol
I was looking right at him when he did that…
Brien, you’re a fool…lol! That Chinese typewriter was the sh*t though back in the day!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Commentators are morons and especially the ones calling Raider games. Gio might have made some decent plays from time to time but all those other factors are a liabilty. I can remember watching him blitz right into the blocker more times than he got picks. I remember him getting burned by several RB’s in the box with one move. If a receiver got over him, forget it! He got beat.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
yeah dmc straight up robbed the raiders this year…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
great!!
Now we can build off of 2 8-8 seasons.
We have our HC, GM, and QB.
It’s winning time like when Gruden and Gannon were here only this time we Finnish this thing!!
We already own our division , thanks to HueJax.
Hue haters go and root for the Browns since you guys like 4-12 seasons.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Wasn’t that long ago that Hue and Glo were sitting in a local dive having a drink.
You’ve completely jumped off that ship already?
Even if the new GM decides to keep him around?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
The losing culture isn’t completely eradicated as long as Herrera’s in the building. There’s no reason to keep him. Don’t give me the sentimental nepotism nonsense. Every employee of the team has a relative that would like a job there, that has been a Raider fan their entire life, etc. Give me a break. Either you have a skill the team could use, or you’re gone.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Happy Dance
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
73.DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I forgot to mention that Hammer’s lip sang performance at the coliseum was off the hook!
Bring him back next season.
lol
I was looking right at him when he did that…
Brien, you’re a fool…lol! That Chinese typewriter was the sh*t though back in the day!
_________________________________________________
What was up with the halftime show? Rather seen them bring Hammer back out or the dude with the dogs and frisbees?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
First thing McKenzie will do, fire Breshnahan!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I can remember watching him blitz right into the blocker more times than he got picks. I remember him getting burned by several RB’s in the box with one move. If a receiver got over him, forget it! He got beat.
*****************************
I think you can say that about Wimbley, McClain, Boyd, Mike Mitchell, Mike Huff and Aaron Curry.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
“Dr. Anderson reportedly told McFadden that his foot is not healed all the way, and McFadden’s biggest issue is managing the pain if he wants to play.”
Translation for the people here that didn’t make it past 3rd grade (Brownstains) if he wants to play is the key part of this sentence “IF” he wants to play.
We all know he did NOT want to play so he didn’t.
Pussified! Not old school!
I would bet you a million dollars if that were Troy Polamalu he would have taken the shots and played!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
cya hue…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Hue is the man!!
Undefeated on the road in the Division, since Hue became our HC.
Of course he went for it on some 3 downs, his frickin Defense gave up 433 points, you morons!!
Hue is staying put!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Gift Wrapped = When the QB throws it right at you! Aside from his 1st int in denver. They were all just horrible throws. He never beat anyone for the ball and he never tackled anyone once beat.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
take part timer dmc with you
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Dave, downplay Giordano all you want. He shows up. I don’t ask defensive players to be perfect. Just to show up and make plays. That guy delivered week after week. Unlike the rest of the D, that for most of the season took a siesta on the Davis nipple, when they weren’t pulling guns on people.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
“La Milicia Negra Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
First thing McKenzie will do, fire Breshnahan!”
I heard the first thing he is going to do is cleanse this blog of trolls like sandusky44.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Gio is a 2ND STRINGER! and came in and did a decent job. Resign him for depth purposes, not to be a starter.
I see no one talking schit about Huffy.
Dude did absolutely nothing this season.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I’m not sure why Gio is getting so much flack.
He was CLEARLY the 3rd best safety on the roster.
HEAD AND SHOULDERS better than Boyd and Mitchell.
I have no problem with him coming back next year as a backup safety.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
They still have the dude with the Jack Russell and the frisbee’s?
LMAO, I used to see him when I went to the games 10 years ago!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Funny thing Dutch…I don’t even remember half the time what happened during halftime! The only one I really remember is when they set up the father coming home from the war to be reunited with his kids and wife! Had him set up as a Raider player wearing #1 and the kids kick the ball while he was holding it! That was touching!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I’m just calling it like i see it. He sucks and wont be starting next year.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I can remember watching him blitz right into the blocker more times than he got picks.
____________________________________________________
Yet Bres kept calling the ineffective play over and over again!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
‘Purple 57! Purple 57! SetHUT!!’ That’s not a snap count. It’s information gathering. [The offense] knows he’s not snapping on a dark color.
————————————————————————————————————–
This might explain our false start penalties if Bill Callahan was right about us being the “Dumbest Team in America.”
Barnes must thing Purple is light. Might think Yellow is dark.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
*wakes up*
Giordano showed up week after week???
*faints again*
January 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
153.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
They still have the dude with the Jack Russell and the frisbee’s?
LMAO, I used to see him when I went to the games 10 years ago!!!!
Yes they do and it is still the same as it was 10 years ago…
Sorry, I do remember those half time shows…then I either walk out for a minute or talk with the other fans!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
303Raider Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Hue is the man!!
Undefeated on the road in the Division, since Hue became our HC.
=======
As I recall, we lost all our home division games.
Schit, not even Cable.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Houston, ShoNuff, Curry, Branch, and Giordano should be retained for backup duty only.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dave, I’m calling it as I see it. You suck. And you only hate Giordano because his dedication, energy, and playmaking poses a threat to your precious Davis scholarships. You giant bag of suck!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Those fk’n BYU/Harvard dudes were killin’ me at the half.
WTF?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
*wakes up*
Giordano showed up week after week???
*faints again*
::::::::::
Gotta give Rod Woodson some of that credit.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Duece Duece,
Do you think I’m supposed to not notice that you keep responding to my points, despite your futile attempts to appear as if you’re scoffing at them?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Houston, ShoNuff, Curry, Branch, and Giordano should be retained for backup duty only.
*****************************
Branch and Matt S as backups?
Branch is going to get pretty good FA money, wherever he goes, and it won’t be to back anybody up.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
163.DMAC Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Those fk’n BYU/Harvard dudes were killin’ me at the half.
WTF?
You know, I don’t remember any of that…lol!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Seriously, deuce. Just scoffing at my point once sends the message loud and clear. When you keep doing it, it’s obvious you’re not really scoffing at it. You just don’t have a response to refute it.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Gift Wrapped = When the QB throws it right at you! Aside from his 1st int in denver. They were all just horrible throws. He never beat anyone for the ball and he never tackled anyone once beat.
======
No. It’s called being at the right place at the right time. Playing smart and knowing your coverages. Be where your suppose to be.
If you think all db’s make plays on the ball for ints.
Your clueless buddy.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Why is everyone so enamored with Herrera all the guy has ever done is try to keep the media away from making up stories about the team and organization.
The guy confronted Tim Kawakami and every one of us here would love nothing more than to see that guy get punched in the face.
If anything Herrera is a hero, one of us!
Of course leave it to Sandusky44 to like Tim Kawakami the anti-Raider
January 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Giordano only played so much this year, because it became apparent that MM34 sucks and Huff was hurt.
Whether we bring Gio back next year or let him walk, will be of little to no consequence to how our D performs next year.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
We lost our division games this year because our defense sucked vs donkeys and SD.
We all know you can throw out KC
We scored 24 vs donks and 26 vs SD. If Al’s pathetic defense wasn’t the second worse in franchise history we would have went 5-1 in our division with 6-0 last year.
Keeping our Offense and having continuity is important.
Just fix the D, Reggie
Oh yeah, all you Hue haters go to Cleveleand since you guys like teams that lose at least 11 games like we used to BEFORE Hue
January 6th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Dave, I’m calling it as I see it. You suck. And you only hate Giordano because his dedication, energy, and playmaking poses a threat to your precious Davis scholarships. You giant bag of suck!
——————————————————-
Haha. Someone’s getting all mad. Dude, I didnt tear his poster off your wall! I love the Raiders, thats why I want them to improve. Your the one falling in love with a player. There is definitly an upgrade out thier.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
666,
Please provide the link so I can read it in context.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
DMAC, don’t bother. They know it’s over for them and their underperforming, scholarship bums. McKenzie’s going to review Raider game film, see which players have been showing up on defense week after week, and give Giordano a new contract. The rest of the secondary? Time to talk restructure, or release.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Yes, excellent hire by mark davis!!!
Build through the draft and develop your own players, sprinkle in a veteran free agent or two, that is the way we need to do it.
First order of biz, hire a dc. next get us some draft picks by trading a player. What player will have enough name value to get us back into the first two rounds? CARSON PALMER!!!!
Trade carson and get us into the first round if you can but i would tke a second for him also. The browns or the vikings may be willing to take this garbage off our hands. Sign Jc to the money he deserves and restore that positive synergy we build from last year to this. This would also restore the sorely needed leadership that the team has been missing since our electric 4-2 start. Palmer threw too many picks and wasnt a good leader, certainly wasnt the player or leader JC is. Any qb that butchers an end of half field goal attempt because he fails to understand clock management, then proceeds to argue and yell at the head coach on his way into the locker is guy I will never trust to be a leader.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Seriously, deuce. Just scoffing at my point once sends the message loud and clear. When you keep doing it, it’s obvious you’re not really scoffing at it. You just don’t have a response to refute it.
—-
The backing of Giordano is so silly and unwarranted that it doesnt deserve a response. Ive said all I will yesterday. From now on I, “have no comment” on “Gio”.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Don’t forget that we lost our last divisional home game to Norv and the Dolts TO NOT MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
You love the Raiders while referring to the plays that our best defender made as “gift wrapped”. You probably still have a Derick Gibson poster on your wall. If Al said they’re good, they’re good. That’s the extent of your football knowledge. I happen to watch games.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Here’s how Hue Jackson’s HC resume reads currently:
-Set NFL record for penalties.
-had a week to prepare, and HIS team still made Tebow look like a future HOFer
-Regressed in division play and home record
-Did an article about getting mani’s and pedi’s after his team lost by 30+ points
-Finished the season 1-4
January 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Dakota – #26…that was very well said. McKenzie has to spend time going over this whole roster and picking it apart with what he believes is good and bad about it and when you consider the salary cap ramifications from all the said moves over the years, we can’t say for sure that we’re contenders right away. Its almost like college football in this situation. Its going to take a good 4-5 years to revamp everything from the current management people to the Head Coach and staff, to the players.
We may win the AFC West this next season and we may not. I just know things are going to be much better in the future for this team. At this point, I’m not terribly disappointed with Hue Jackson or anything but I say hand the keys to McKenzie and let him make all the decisions from here, even if that means letting Jackson go. I just want to win, however that can happen. Jon Gruden anyone? Haha. I’m not even sure if hes the answer either of course but regardless…I’m happy with the direction. We can finally be a modern football for once. Lets hope the penalties die down too.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Deuce, it doesn’t deserve a response? Is that why you respond in lockstep? Every single time I bring it up? It’s obvious what you’re doing, Deuce. The ol, “I don’t have an argument, so I’m just going to respond every time he brings it up with sophomoric sarcasm”. It’s an old game, Deuce.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Sign Jc to the money he deserves and restore that positive synergy we build from last year to this
***************************
In Corky’s live chat, he said that Jason Campbell wants nothing to do with the Raiders anymore.
Sounded like he heard it straight from the horses mouth.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Here’s how Hue Jackson’s HC resume reads currently:
-Set NFL record for penalties.
-had a week to prepare, and HIS team still made Tebow look like a future HOFer
-Regressed in division play and home record
-Did an article about getting mani’s and pedi’s after his team lost by 30+ points
-Finished the season 1-4
===============
8-8 from a rookie head coach, great job by hue jack
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I think you need to go back and watch some film! I’m surprised his ankles didnt break from how many times he got burned.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Trade Carson?? More morons!!
JC could NOT throw the deep ball and it takes way too long for the ball to get out of his hands!!
CP3 is staying put homies along with our great HC, HueJax!!
Just fix that crapy defense…..
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
What player will have enough name value to get us back into the first two rounds? CARSON PALMER!!!!
Trade carson and get us into the first round if you can
——————————————————-
So you think Palmer is good enough to get us a 1st rd pick?
Why would we trade him and keep a QB like Glo who CLEARLY would not have any thing close to 1st rd value attached to his name?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Did Wolf recommend McKenzie so his Son could be promoted in GreenBay?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
# Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
You have to confuse and fluster the offense. We were the one’s confused and flustered last year.
+++++++++
Oh Man, you got that right…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
It doesn’t take a doctor to realize that there is a difference between playing hurt and being injured.
Guys play hurt all the time its part of the game.
McFadden did NOT want to play hurt period, the end, get in line with it, those are the facts.
Dr. Anderson said it and Jerry Mac reported it so if you want to throw a hissy fit like a menstruating 13 year old girl talk to the Dr and Jerry Mac not me you idiot!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Raider Dave, I didn’t notice that. Just noticed him making plays, week after week. I guarantee you his name got mentioned more than any other Raider defender by play-by-play commentators this year.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
“8-8 from a rookie head coach, great job by hue jack”
Cable was 8-8 you ignorant douche!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Did Wolf recommend McKenzie so his Son could be promoted in GreenBay?
……………
Even if that’s true, GB’s no shabby franchise and somebody there wanted McKenzie in a higher up capacity.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Mark Davis is pissed at that end of year presser where Hue demanding more power. That’s joker is outta here
January 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Word from Green Bay is that the Packers expect Reggie McKenzie to start work with Raiders right away and not finish out season with Packers.
1 minute ago Favorite Retweet Reply
January 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
JOHN MADDEN was with Mark Davis on the interview.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Just Fire Baby:
the penalties were an inherited “culture” problem from AL. Now long have you been a Raider fan? Just this year. This organization has been the MOST penalized team ever! Now that Al is dead, and we get rid of some of AL’s players, that will fix itself.
We scored 24 vs the Donks, Chucky B’s defense, again an Al stoog, screwed that one up. Same with SD……
We ar 9-3 in our division becaus elf Hue
We sold out every game because of Hue
We have a real QB for once because of Hue
Hue resurrected Dmac and DHB
Morons you Huehaters are or Browns fans who like 2-14 teams….
January 6th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
303Raider Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Trade Carson?? More morons!!
==================
Hell yeah trade that bungling turn over prone locker room killer.
we need draft picks to address some glaring holes on this team, palmer can bring us the picks. Is there any other highly over rated player that we can trade to get back into the firsts two rounds?
Jc hit deep passes while a raider and a redskin, just because he missed a couple early this season doesnt mean he cant do it. news flash, palmer has not only missed deep, but thrown picks into triple coverage trying to do it, he also misses short and medium routes.
There is far more to playing qb than just throwing deep. Palmer connecting on a few deep balls, doesnt negate the god awful ints
January 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Method, why would Mark fire his head coach right after hiring a GM? Usurp the new GM, on day one? Sure. It’s McKenzie’s call. And I think he’ll give Hue at least one year to improve on a .500 first year season with question marks all over the roster, question marks that weren’t Hue’s fault.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
JOHN MADDEN was with Mark Davis on the interview.
——-
says who?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Best news we have heard here since the Carson Palmer trade!
Step One: Obtain best personnel front office person available. Check.
Step Two: Evaluate entire coaching staff. Pending
Step Three: Cut Crappy Dross Off Roster. Pending.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic u can’t be serious…hue didn’t have a great year at all!…..And if u want Palmer gone then Hue gotta go too
January 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
@195: Good plenty of work to be done….
January 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Dakota I was referring to Brownstains not you:
Here is your link…. it wont let me post it I have tried 6 times
January 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Dakota try this one:
http://www.insidebayarea.com/raiders/ci_19605168
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
204.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Dakota I was referring to Brownstains not you:
Here is your link…. it wont let me post it I have tried 6 times
+++++++++++++++
Bummer. I wish I could read it.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
“Mistic u can’t be serious…hue didn’t have a great year at all!…..And if u want Palmer gone then Hue gotta go too”
Hue did say in his last presser that he was “tied at the hip” with Palmer.
You all better listen to the B@uce!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Unrestricted FAs
69 Khalif Barnes OT
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
7 Kyle Boller QB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
29 Michael Bush RB
8 Jason Campbell QB
25 Rock Cartwright RB
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
75 Stephon Heyer OT
84 T. J. Houshmandzadeh WR
94 Jarvis Moss DE
64 Samson Satele C
81 Chaz Schilens WR
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
Restricted FAs
90 Desmond Bryant DT/DE
Exclusive-Rights FAs
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
45 Marcel Reece FB
++++++++++++++++++
Since the Raiders are likely to have, at most, 4 draft picks, free agency looks to be the only way for McKenzie to put his immediate stamp on the team (other than a new head coach). The good thing here is that most of those players are crappy depth. The lack of depth has killed the Raiders for years; the roster was about as shallow as a summertime Texas mud puddle. McKenzie, if he does nothing else before 2013, can help the team take a huge step forward by bolstering its second stringers and special teams guys.
Keep Bush, Branch, Giordano, Reece and Bryant. I’ll pack the bags if it’ll help all the others get out of town sooner.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
hue was good with all checking him but on his own he faltered
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raiders sign Flynn, we will be able to trade Palmer, whom we could get one first round for.
Raiders have Pryor who has trade value as well, we could get a 2nd round for him at least.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
McKenzie’s not going to come right in and throw Hue under the bus. McKenzie is not some dumb Raider fan who thought this team had the talent to go 16-0. He knows most of the roster is a joke, and that it’s not Hue’s fault. He also knows Carson Palmer deal was a necessary evil. It was either that or Boller. McKenzie is going to give Hue and Palmer one more year, start building outside of them immediately.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Pryor? hahaha!!! Guys, we have a GM, now. Pryor’s gone.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
MR…how’s Sac treatin ya this new year?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Believe it or not, Tommy Kelly may actually be a decent trade chip. He certainly can rush the passer and a team looking to get more pressure on the QB from its defensive interior might be willing to part with a 3rd rounder for him since most, if not all, of the big money on that contract has been paid out by the Raiders already.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Hahahahaha get a 2nd for Pryor? That’s funny…maybe a 6th
January 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raiders sign Flynn, we will be able to trade Palmer, whom we could get one first round for.
Raiders have Pryor who has trade value as well, we could get a 2nd round for him at least.
++++++++++++++++++++++
Not in a million years.
Might be able to get a 2nd rounder for Palmer. MIGHT.
Raiders would be LUCKY AS HELL to get the 4th rounder they gave up for Pryor back. Someone might take him for a 5th-7th but that’s it.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Brien, be honest. How many players have restraining orders against you?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
408RAIDER Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
JOHN MADDEN was with Mark Davis on the interview.
——-
says who?
—-
Reported by a GB beat writer on Twitter. Madden & Davis interviewed Reggie wednesday.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Silver n Black & Rockstar:
resigning Branch, Reece, and Bryant are a must:
for the right contract resigning Campbell & Satele would be solid moves as well in back up roles, although either one would probably start somewhere
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
one defensive stop in any of four games and the Raiders are hosting the Steelers Sunday.
and many of y’all wanna fire the HC/OC and get rid of the QB????????
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Hahahahaha get a 2nd for Pryor? That’s funny…maybe a 6th
………….
First smart thing you’ve said in your life!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Hell yeah trade that bungling turn over prone locker room killer.
_____________
so what you’re suggesting would result in black gm, black head coach and black qb. That would be Raideresque but I like the prospect of CP next year
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
RaiderPunk…..don’t be mad I call it for what is fact! Ur a homo laced post phaggot…and spare that ol 90s argument if you make fun of it that means you’re obsessed…played out and lame…now go back and tend to your knitting class….cuz u couldn’t give a good rebuttal about our best 3rd down wr leaving for housh! Only a moron would dare try
==========================================
Nice seeing you again, Norco Bob. I wonder what had happened to you…
January 6th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Brien = Patton Oswalt “Big Fan” of Oakland.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Hue doesn’t deserve to be a head coach….Mark and Reggie will talk…then Hue is schitcanned!
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
What player will have enough name value to get us back into the first two rounds? CARSON PALMER!!!!
Trade carson and get us into the first round if you can
——————————————————-
So you think Palmer is good enough to get us a 1st rd pick?
Why would we trade him and keep a QB like Glo who CLEARLY would not have any thing close to 1st rd value attached to his name?
==================
I would do it yesterday. carson seems to be highly over rated and his name value could get you into the first or second round. Allowing us to draft for spots we need to fill.
Jc was a pefect fit fo our young offense, he made plays, he won and he was an incredible leader. While he may not receive the accolades of his counter part, he certainly was having a better year, and has been a better player for at least the last two years. i base this on the number of wins and turnovers, and the way they perform on 3rd down and in the fourth quarter.
Palmer seems to be a diva and his antics are not good for the team, neither are the turn overs.
Perceived value is not what I judge qbs on, like so many of you. media hype and pedigree mean nothing to me, only what you do on sunday
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Brien’s been beaten severely by Raiders’ players for following them as they leave clubs.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Unrestricted FAs
69 Khalif Barnes OT
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
7 Kyle Boller QB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
29 Michael Bush RB
8 Jason Campbell QB
25 Rock Cartwright RB
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
75 Stephon Heyer OT
84 T. J. Houshmandzadeh WR
94 Jarvis Moss DE
64 Samson Satele C
81 Chaz Schilens WR
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
——————————————————-
Wow.
Honestly can only see Branch off this list.
Bush will be a starter somewhere next year, and I can’t see us trading McFadden.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
hahahahahahahaha now I’m Norco Bob? That was your response? RaiderPunk is a lost cause…jcat who needs to go and jump off a bridge
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“MR…how’s Sac treatin ya this new year?”
Translation:
MR how are the guys at the glory hole responding to your sack fondling so far this year you low life degenerate?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
The Raiders’ alarming penalties total wasn’t just confined to the offensive and defensive sides of the ball. Raiders ranked 6th from the bottom on special teams penalties as well;
http://espn.go.com/blog/afcsouth/post/_/id/32913/on-the-titans-special-teams
January 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Mistic, I can’t help but picture you as John Cusack in “Say Anything”, standing outside Jason Campbell’s house in the rain with a stereo playing a love song.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Yeah, Brien. Mark’s going to hire a GM, then usurp that GM before he even gets off the plane. Hue and Palmer are getting one more year to improve on 8-8. This team is good enough to win 10 games. I’m guessing that’s the bar McKenzie will set for Hue and Palmer this year.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hahahahahahaha well MR you know it wasn’t anyone from the defense cuz they not tough enough to beat me up
January 6th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
we gave up a third for Pryor, and yes we could get a second, look how many teams need a qb or an upgrade, of which Pryor could be:
Miami, NYJ, Clev, Den, KC, Dall, WA, Minn, Chi, Sea, StL, AZ,
backup qbs go for 3rd and 4th round picks, San Diego got a 3rd for Whitehurst, so please don’t tell me that the Raiders could not get a 2nd for Pryor
January 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
cant wait till hue is getting pedicures anywhere but oakland
January 6th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
San Diego got a 3rd for Whitehurst, so please don’t tell me that the Raiders could not get a 2nd for Pryor
+++++++++++++
San Diego got a 3rd for Whitehurst because Pete Carroll is a moron.
If the Raiders get a 2nd round pick for Pryor, Reggie McKenzie should have a 75 foot statue made of platinum erected outside the O.
That or be suspected of keeping blackmail files on other GMs.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Mistic, I can’t help but picture you as John Cusack in “Say Anything”, standing outside Jason Campbell’s house in the rain with a stereo playing a love song.
……………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aR4YOwaHNn4&feature=related
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
hahahahaha my good pal MR….Mark is owner…u think things won’t get hjis final stamp? Come on…all things gotta pass by him…even if mckenzie wants somethig done he gotta go to Mark…u can’t override the owner or go above him…but MR what’s crackin in Sac?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sandusky44 the failed script writer crawls out of the bowels of Hollywood smelling of feces and desperation only to come alive on a Blog where he is beaten daily by bloggers over his retarded point of views.
Man your life must be bleak and depressing. Do you really think that a real man like B@uce cares about your little tainted opinion?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Finally, welcome to the modern era raiders, the new look raiders, the top notch organization we all have dreamed since who knows when.
Somebody mentiones its a bit like hiring a Ozzie Newsome from Baltimore. I agree. And RM being a linebacker will have a eye for real defenses.
I suspect the roster on defense will get a overhaul. Good news is RM probably already has a plan on hes going to hire, coaches and players. So the turnaround could be fast.
Next year could mean playoffs.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Pryor a qb? Hahahahahahahaha
January 6th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
whether we get a 2nd, 6th, 8th or, 10th for Pryor and/or Palmer; I will not really care;
because the Raiders are going to sign UFA Flynn, QB anyway.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
The whole Giorgiano issue can go both ways…He made some plays but was also burned as the last line of defense plenty of times.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seattle wanted Palmer and was willing to give up a 2nd round for him and probably still would.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Carson haters must be brown fans too….
Hue and Carson staying at LEAST 1 more year fellas.
Reggie is a smart guy, unlike some of you emotional, idiotic Raider fans who only joined he nation this year….
January 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
http://bit.ly/pUSG2G
January 6th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Mistic u can’t be serious…hue didn’t have a great year at all!…..And if u want Palmer gone then Hue gotta go too
===================
I disagree with you bra, here is why. Under a normal circumstance a rookie head coach that finishes 8-8 is considered a good job. he made some clear mistakes but he seemed to correct some of them as he went along so im sure he will continue to improve. When you consider the very unique circumstances losing davis, losing your team captain and leader of the team JC, losing dmac and ford and moore, plugging in a new qb mid season, and a god awful defense. I think 8-8 is outstanding.
As a default gm, hue gets a c. i love the curry trade, but the palmer deal was horrendous. Hue wasnt hired to be gm so i separate those two job functions.
Mackenzie will now step in and clean up hues mess, hu can give input and focus on coaching
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
210.RaiderRetribution Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Raiders sign Flynn, we will be able to trade Palmer, whom we could get one first round for.
Raiders have Pryor who has trade value as well, we could get a 2nd round for him at least.
***********************************************
Playing Madden has severly warped a whole generation….
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Brien, do you know what a GM is?
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seattle wanted Palmer and was willing to give up a 2nd round for him and probably still would.
++++++++
Actually I take my earlier statement to you back about Carson only fetching a 2nd rounder… if Pete Carroll was dumb enough to give up a 3rd rounder for Charlie Whitehurst, he just might give up a 1st for Palmer.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
So you think Palmer is good enough to get us a 1st rd pick?
Why would we trade him and keep a QB like Glo who CLEARLY would not have any thing close to 1st rd value attached to his name?
==================
I would do it yesterday. carson seems to be highly over rated and his name value could get you into the first or second round. Allowing us to draft for spots we need to fill.
====================================================
In the end of the season Carson Palmer was throwing for over 9 yards per attempt. Against Detroit he completed 80% of his passes. Yes. 80%. The reason Palmer would garner a lst round draft choice is because he is WORTH a lst round draft choice. So, who would you replace him with if you did trade him? And please don’t say Jason Campbell or Tyrelle Pryor.
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Hey 666 u know in a business the owner doesn’t get things passed thru him? He doesn’t give approval or give his blessing….as u know an owner is just a title…he just a figurehead….lol
January 6th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
I’m okay with the Raiders retaining Hue & Carson; one this would take a lot of pressure off of Reggie his first season; he could evaluate, have a near full draft in 2013.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
From the Ron Wolf interview posted a couple of days ago:
“The great thing about working for him (Al Davis) was the fact that you knew what you were supposed to do…”
In business, I call that “accountability.”
I think the hiring of Reggie McKenzie will bring accountability back to the organization. From things said about McKenzie’s work in Green Bay, he is able to work well with people but is not afraid to assert himself.
Accountability is something that’s been lacking in the Raider organization for quite a few years and was sorely evident this year.
Hue Jackson floundered this year in part because he ended up wearing too many hats, and too often he ended up being accountable to himself. Having a true GM – and a structure of accountability within the organization – will allow the Raiders to progress from year to year rather than flounder in the same mire year after year.
GGGGOOOOOOO RRRRRAAAAAIIIIIDDDDDEEEEERRRRRSSSSS !!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Pryor has absolutely zero trade value folks. remember that most experts dont even think he can play qb, so there is no way any front office will give up a high pick for this kid, that hasnt even put any thing on film in the nfl.
pryor only has trade value in the minds of bloggers that think he can play. In the real world he will need to prove it on the field before anyone would ever consider it.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Playing Madden has severly warped a whole generation….
================================
Clearly.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
i base this on the number of wins and turnovers, and the way they perform on 3rd down and in the fourth quarter.
——————————————————-
Fair enough.
I think JC could have won more games here with a better defense. I think a lot of QBs could be productive with weapons like DMac, D Moore, DHB, Ford, and Bush.
Palmer throws the ball to where WRs are supposed to be instead of waiting to see someone open. That style is going to produce more picks by default, wouldn’t you say?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Ummmmm MR…does a GM override the owner?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
233.Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Yeah, Brien. Mark’s going to hire a GM, then usurp that GM before he even gets off the plane. Hue and Palmer are getting one more year to improve on 8-8. This team is good enough to win 10 games. I’m guessing that’s the bar McKenzie will set for Hue and Palmer this year.
==========================================
Good enough for 10 wins, huh? I guess you were a little more fond of Al Davis’ GM work than you are willing to admit.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Raiders would need to cut and/or trade multiple players, especially those with big contracts: Seymour, Routt, Huff, Kelly, Wimbley, Carson in order to sign other top FAs such as Flynn & Nicks.
Raiders had the highest payroll once again and nothing to show for it; I bet you that is one item Reggie will address this offseason.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Mistic, I can’t help but picture you as John Cusack in “Say Anything”, standing outside Jason Campbell’s house in the rain with a stereo playing a love song.
==============
never saw that sounds like a chick flick for flamers.
insult me if you must but the bottom line is carson did not take us to the playoffs like he was brought here to do. he did however throw more double the amount of pics that jc had for all of last year, and he did it in only 8 games!!!!
I know you have your favorite but on the field JC was better.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Pryor isn’t going anywhere. that’s your #2 QB gents!
Campbell & Boller are already working on their resumes
who cares about the #3 QB? might as well re-sign Josh McCown to hold a clipboard
January 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Since the Raiders do need secondary help, we have Pryor; should the Raiders consider moving him to safety or cornerback? Would he accept that role? He is a tremendous athlete.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Mistic…that’s not accurate…Hue fkin sucks! He never changed the center position when Wiz was obvious Satele was hurting our strength which was the power run game! And he changed offense from I form to 3 wr sets exclusively! Puhleeze…fk Hue
January 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
here’s the Dr. Andrews report from S & B Darren McFadden undergoing tests…
In an effort to try to return this season from his LisFranc injury, Oakland Raiders running back Darren McFadden has been undergoing CT scans, MRIs and X-rays on his foot and consulting with Dr. Robert Anderson this week, according to a league source.
McFadden is considered unlikely to play Saturday at Kansas City but has not surrendered hope of playing against the San Diego Chargers in the regular-season finale or in the postseason if the the Raiders can make it there.
Oakland (7-7) likely needs to win its last two games and hope for losses from other teams to sneak into the playoffs as either the AFC West champion or a wild card. The Raiders’ hopes for an AFC West title would end if they lose to the Chiefs and the Denver Broncos (8-6) beat the Buffalo Bills on Saturday. The New York Jets (8-6) currently hold the last wild-card spot and the Cincinnati Bengals (8-6) and Tennessee Titans (7-7) are ahead of Oakland in the pecking order for that last spot if the Jets were to falter.
The fact that McFadden is even attempting to play speaks to his toughness; other players this season, including Houston Texans quarterback Matt Schaub, already have seen their seasons end due to LisFranc injuries.
What Anderson told McFadden after he looked at the test results on the foot is that it is about managing the pain when the injury clearly still is not fully healed. McFadden spoke with Anderson on Tuesday after undergoing his CT scan last Tuesday.
McFadden initially needed crutches to get around and wore a protective walking boot while making occasional appearances at practice.
On Tuesday, he had neither as he did some light jogging at practice.
Raiders coach Hue Jackson continues to hold out hope that McFadden can play again this season but not at the risk of aggravating his condition. He suffered a setback after attempting to jog last month, so Jackson is taking a cautious approach.
“He just wasn’t ready for that kind of work,” Jackson said Tuesday. “We have to be very careful with that. We don’t want to do anything that’s going to jeopardize his career or his opportunity to play.”
Adam Schefter is ESPN’s NFL Insider. Information from The Associated Press was used in this report.
Oakland Raiders’ Darren McFadden still hoping to play, source says – ESPN
I’m sorry, but what I took out of that article is that dmac needs to man up, shoot up, and tape up for his team. It’s a pain management issue just like the doctor told him.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 10:22 AM #2
trur8r’s Avatar
trur8r
trur8r is online now Limited Membership
Chairman of the Board
Join Date
Apr 2005
Location
Anaheim Ca
Posts
20,767
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
McFadden has been very adamant about not taking a shot. He says that ruins careers in the long run.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 10:23 AM #3
oakpyrate81’s Avatar
oakpyrate81
oakpyrate81 is offline Limited Membership
Veteran
Join Date
May 2010
Location
Under A Palm Tree On A Tropical Island
Posts
729
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
who cares anymore ??
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 10:51 AM #4
doctorcue’s Avatar
doctorcue
doctorcue is offline Limited Membership
Starter
Join Date
Apr 2009
Posts
160
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by raidertone View Post
I’m sorry, but what I took out of that article is that dmac needs to man up, shoot up, and tape up for his team. It’s a pain management issue just like the doctor told him.
I don’t know man… if its this serious, what is it worth him having a career altering injury or even worse something that plagues him his entire life.
Perhaps he should have been IR’d but if he is willing to give it a spin once it is cleared, the go for it. DMC took pain killing shots for turf toe and it only made it worst. He was ineffective because he lost sensitivity in his feet and it only prolonged the healing time. I don’t blame him for passing on the shot when he knows his foot isn’t right.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:06 AM #5
raidertone’s Avatar
raidertone
raidertone is offline Limited Membership
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Feb 2006
Location
Arroyo Grande, CA
Posts
1,466
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by doctorcue View Post
I don’t know man… if its this serious, what is it worth him having a career altering injury or even worse something that plagues him his entire life.
Perhaps he should have been IR’d but if he is willing to give it a spin once it is cleared, the go for it. DMC took pain killing shots for turf toe and it only made it worst. He was ineffective because he lost sensitivity in his feet and it only prolonged the healing time. I don’t blame him for passing on the shot when he knows his foot isn’t right.
This will probably seem a lil harsh BUT will say it anyways….I know disabled veterans and police officers that have sacrificed alot and have to live with horrible pain and injuries with peanuts of a pension in return for their service. And now we are debating about a kid being compensated millions of dollars that may have a sore foot in return for living the dream of being an nfl player…man please….play/retire or stfu is all i’m saying…
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:10 AM #6
DaHero75
DaHero75 is offline Limited Membership
Veteran
Join Date
Apr 2010
Posts
706
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Wut I took from that is Hue saying “Jeporadize his career”… if its ne thing close to him jeporadizing his career we shut him down for next yr…. I don’t care about getting him back @ like 75% for the playoffs this 1 yr if its gonna risk costing us the next 4 or 5yrs of an Elite RB…. plus were getting Jones back so let’s roll with that…
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Posted via Mobile Device
12-22-2011, 11:15 AM #7
RaiderInSD21’s Avatar
RaiderInSD21
RaiderInSD21 is online now
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Jan 2009
Location
San Diego
Posts
4,630
Blog Entries
1
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
So with an injury that is extremely painful, you just expect them to numb it and him to essentially run on a foot he won’t be able to feel? He’ll just be a liability out there…
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote Posted via Mobile Device
12-22-2011, 11:25 AM #8
raidertone’s Avatar
raidertone
raidertone is offline Limited Membership
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Feb 2006
Location
Arroyo Grande, CA
Posts
1,466
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by RaiderInSD21 View Post
So with an injury that is extremely painful, you just expect them to numb it and him to essentially run on a foot he won’t be able to feel? He’ll just be a liability out there…
Only if the doctor says its possible…and again what i took out of that article is the doctor telling mcfadden about it being a pain management issue.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:27 AM #9
Kalifas510
Kalifas510 is offline Limited Membership
Rookie
Join Date
Dec 2011
Posts
86
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
This situation has been totally mismanaged. Should have IR’d him. Hue has known all along that he wanted to hope they would be back if we made it to the playoffs. Hue had no intention of playing DMC anytime short of the wildcard game.
He should have signed someone lie Bennett to spell Bush when Jones went down.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:31 AM #10
kinz
kinz is offline
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Apr 2005
Posts
1,953
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
1. Take a 5 pound weight, hold it at hip level, and drop it on your bare foot on a cement floor.
Did you manage to do it once?
2. Now do it again 30 times in the next 3 hours.
3. When it is all swollen and purple next week, repeat the process.
Guys with the balls to do step 1 I’ll take your posts seriously when you say he should tough it out. Guys who complete step 3 have a clue.
If he tried to play, we would not be good, would maybe ruin his career, and for absolutely no purpose.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:32 AM #11
Holy Toledo
Holy Toledo is offline
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Mar 2004
Location
Salem,NH
Posts
1,160
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by oakpyrate81 View Post
who cares anymore ??
untill they are mathmatically eliminated I DO!
HOLY TOLEDO…TOUCHDOWN RAIDERS!!!
“Here it is. Snapped, spotted. It’s kicked. That’s got a chance. That is … good. It’s good. Holy Toledo, the place has gone wild. I don’t believe it. I don’t believe it. There are three seconds left in the game. There are three seconds left in the game. Well, if you can hear me, this place has gone wild. The Oakland Raiders 23, the Cleveland Browns 20. George Blanda has just been elected king of the world.”
BILL KING: 1927-2005
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:33 AM #12
searider
searider is offline Limited Membership
Starter
Join Date
Jul 2009
Posts
148
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Good grief Darren, stop, just get 100% healthy and get a new personal trainer in the off season.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:41 AM #13
diggler08’s Avatar
diggler08
diggler08 is online now
All-Pro
Join Date
Jul 2007
Location
Sacramento
Posts
379
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by raidertone View Post
Only if the doctor says its possible…and again what i took out of that article is the doctor telling mcfadden about it being a pain management issue.
Yea, pain management due to the fact THAT THE INJURY IS NOT YET HEALED! Let the guy heal up, especiall since it could ruin a career. He’s still only 24 years old, dont need to ruin his/Raider’s future. Sorry, but your police officer and firefighter comparison was a very bad example.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:52 AM #14
raidertone’s Avatar
raidertone
raidertone is offline Limited Membership
Hall of Famer
Join Date
Feb 2006
Location
Arroyo Grande, CA
Posts
1,466
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Quote Originally Posted by diggler08 View Post
Yea, pain management due to the fact THAT THE INJURY IS NOT YET HEALED! Let the guy heal up, especiall since it could ruin a career. He’s still only 24 years old, dont need to ruin his/Raider’s future. Sorry, but your police officer and firefighter comparison was a very bad example.
All I said is if the doctor says you can play by managing the pain, YOU PLAY…It’s his job. The doctor said it’s a pain management issue. If he can’t play then shut it down for the season or retire but please stfu already…thats all i was saying.
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
12-22-2011, 11:57 AM #15
DmacMVP
DmacMVP is offline Limited Membership
Rookie
Join Date
Nov 2010
Posts
95
Downloads
0
Uploads
0
Remember the last time McFadden shot up when he had turf toe in his rookie year? He wasn’t as explosive
Reply With Quote Reply With Quote
January 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
hahahahahahahaha now I’m Norco Bob? That was your response? RaiderPunk is a lost cause…jcat who needs to go and jump off a bridge
=======================================
You’re trolling, and so did he. It’s not hard to see a resemblance…
January 6th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Davy lol
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Pryor isn’t going anywhere. that’s your #2 QB gents!
Campbell & Boller are already working on their resumes
who cares about the #3 QB? might as well re-sign Josh McCown to hold a clipboard
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
RRS,
Finance man, listen up, numbers don’t lie only people who adjust them.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t have taken this team to the playoffs this year!
Our defense gave UP 433 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
i base this on the number of wins and turnovers, and the way they perform on 3rd down and in the fourth quarter.
——————————————————-
Fair enough.
I think JC could have won more games here with a better defense. I think a lot of QBs could be productive with weapons like DMac, D Moore, DHB, Ford, and Bush.
Palmer throws the ball to where WRs are supposed to be instead of waiting to see someone open. That style is going to produce more picks by default, wouldn’t you say?
===========
there we have it, if its a matter of style, give me the guy that protects the ball. If palmers style is the blame for throwing picks, it isnt acceptable. Picks will kill you and we witnessed it first hand, regardless of qb style. by the way jc also throws to spots, and anticipates breaks, he just doesnt get the credit for doing so, nor does he turn it over like he is being paid by the opposition.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
1. Franchise Tag Gio.
2. Did Raiders only give up 25 sacks in 2011???
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
oops. Sorry for posting the entire blog. . .but it was about pain management & Mc Fadden is adamantly against needles. . .
January 6th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Pryor isn’t going anywhere. that’s your #2 QB gents!
——————————————————-
Agreed.
I can’t wait to see what this guy can do next preseason.
I didn’t see him play much in college, but Cam’s success, and to some degree, Tebow’s has me intrigued to say the least.
Matt Flynn is not coming to Oakland to backup Carson Palmer, so I don’t see a better option out there than Pryor for our #2.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
We do need secondary help badly and a new DC
January 6th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
other players I would be okay with coming back are Groves & Giordano; Gio made plays, but simply must play in dime packages; do not send him on a blitz he does not have that kind of speed, nor does he have the speed to cover speed receivers, but he does have an eye for the ball, and Groves was solid on special teams.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
The taint of Stank AL is clearing rapidly. Now all we have to do is clear out the drags from AL’s bygone era including Hue and coaching staff below him, a roster 3/4rds full of schlubs, and we’ll be ready to go.
By the way, did anyone hear Hue and Sandusky were caught with their pants down in the weight room?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I’m not talking about Flynn being a back up!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Former Packers exec:
@adbrandt Andrew Brandt
Packer memories: new Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie telling me how the ‘06 Draft would play out (he was right): usat.ly/AFrKy6
January 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees. Why do you think Palmer costed us so much?
He’ll finsh his contract and most likely his career a Raider. He just turned 32yo last week and I think he’s got another 3 or 4 years left in him. He’s not scheduled to be a free agent until 2015
he balked about playing for Mike Brown and the Cincy Bungles. He never said he’d only come out of retirement to play for the ex-Cincy WR Coach! These two are not a package deal and certainly not tied at the hip. As long as Mark Davis doesn’t remind Carson of Mike Brown we’re safe to assume he’s happy and ready to take the Raiders to the playoffs next year
January 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
“Hey 666 u know in a business the owner doesn’t get things passed thru him? He doesn’t give approval or give his blessing….as u know an owner is just a title…he just a figurehead….lol”
I am seriously LMAO
B@uce its hard to explain the chain of command in a corporate or business environment to a guy that has worked at Wendy’s his whole life.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Mistic…that’s not accurate…Hue fkin sucks! He never changed the center position when Wiz was obvious Satele was hurting our strength which was the power run game! And he changed offense from I form to 3 wr sets exclusively! Puhleeze…fk Hue
=====================
We needed to have wiz to play center this is true, but we also need him at lg, because there was amajor drop off if you move him.
We went heavy on 3 wides becaus palmer sucks with boot legs and play action from the i form, he doesnt have the mobility like jc, and was in a 3 wide heavy offense with the bungles. This was done to accommodate palmer.
You are right in one regard the offense changed with palmer, he was unable to do all of the things that jc did.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
RaiderPunk….bloggers already met Norco and myself…there is an obvious pigment difference so ur bs doesn’t fly here…try again my lil special ed student
January 6th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Finance man, listen up, numbers don’t lie only people who adjust them
***
Dell,
co-signed!
but how does that relate to the QB scenario I proposed?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
People may have posted this already but I didn;t see it.
Mark Davis and John Madden conducted McKenzies interview per Raider Nation Station.
According to Packer sources, they expect McKenzie to join Oakland “right away” despite the fact GBs season is still on going
January 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Yup Method is another RMR troll tag
January 6th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Dell,
co-signed!
but how does that relate to the QB scenario I proposed?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
1,2,3—?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
The govt over here hasn’t stopped the streaming of KNBR 680 (yet).
Rod Brooks going on about how their special teams are the best.
Too jetlagged to fly back right away and have my wife kung fu panda his @zz.
Frek ing A Hole.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/01/06/raiders-mckenzie.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8
Money Quote: “The 47-year-old McKenzie will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, a person with knowledge of the hiring told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because those details weren’t formally announced. That means McKenzie will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC’s No. 1 seed is off this weekend with a first-round playoff bye.”
w00t! The sooner he starts, the better!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Yeah baby yeah!!
Mark Davis is already being smart about this. Getting advise from great Raider minds like Wolf, Madden and Herock when it comes to to choosing a GM.
Congrats to Mr Reggie McKenzie on becoming the new Raider GM and welcome hom!
Now it’s time to get down to business and build a great front office player personnel staff and build a GREAT defense which will make this team complete!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
I hope #272 is a joke. LOL
January 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
no one’s really suggesting that a taped up, drugged up, no-contact-in-2-months Darren McFadden was going to help us keep the Chargers to under 30 points, right?
You know who needed to man up? Michael Bush. Instead we got a tired, 3 yards per carry nothing out of him.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Picks will kill you and we witnessed it first hand, regardless of qb style. by the way jc also throws to spots, and anticipates breaks, he just doesnt get the credit for doing so,
——————————————————-
I’d say it’s the style the HC preferred.
JC was an NFL QB so of course he can throw to spots and anticipate breaks.
This whole thing probably comes down to about 3 or 4 throws per game either way. I think Palmer trusts himself and the WRs much more than JC did. I don’t think that is debateable. You can call it taking chances, Cable can call it cutting it loose.
JFB and I had this exact “style” conversation while JC was still the QB. I actually prefer somewhere right in the middle of JC and Palmer. All Palmer needs to do is check it down a bit more and he’ll be fine.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The 47-year-old McKenzie, who has spent the past 18 season in Green Bay’s personnel department, will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, a person with knowledge of the hiring told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because those details weren’t formally announced. That means McKenzie will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC’s No. 1 seed is off this weekend with a first-round playoff bye.
“I would like to thank Reggie McKenzie for all that he has done for the Green Bay Packers over the last 18 years,” Packers GM Ted Thompson said Friday in a statement. “Reggie is a tremendous talent, but more importantly, he is a good friend and great family man. His contributions to our organization are numerous, and he is ready for the opportunity to be a general manager in the National Football League.”
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825c13dd/article/raiders-reach-agreement-with-packers-mckenzie-for-gm-role?module=HP11_breaking_news
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Franchise QB’s don’t grow on trees. Why do you think Palmer costed us so much?
He’ll finsh his contract and most likely his career a Raider. He just turned 32yo last week and I think he’s got another 3 or 4 years left in him. He’s not scheduled to be a free agent until 2015
he balked about playing for Mike Brown and the Cincy Bungles. He never said he’d only come out of retirement to play for the ex-Cincy WR Coach! These two are not a package deal and certainly not tied at the hip. As long as Mark Davis doesn’t remind Carson of Mike Brown we’re safe to assume he’s happy and ready to take the Raiders to the playoffs next year
=====================
Im almost positive mackenzie will see the carson deal as a blunder, and a reach. he believes like davis used to before free agency in building through the draft. im sure if he were here when jc went down he does nt make that deal, neither does davis.
That was all hue jack and he is on an island with it.
I am also certain that mackenzie will be alarmed when he looks at carsons performance, and compares it to jc’s. It doesnt take a genius to see which qb is playing better football. Im also positive that hue jack is having buyers remorse, realizing that palmer isnt the guy he was with in 2005, and he cant be pleased.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Seymour, Routt, Huff, Kelly, Wimbley, are all in the top ten on the Raiders payroll- Raiders defense was 29th; someone has got to go.
at least three should be cut and/or traded
January 6th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
289.RaiderDuck Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2012/football/nfl/01/06/raiders-mckenzie.ap/index.html?sct=nfl_t2_a8
Money Quote: “The 47-year-old McKenzie will take over his new job with the Raiders immediately, a person with knowledge of the hiring told The Associated Press, speaking on condition of anonymity because those details weren’t formally announced. That means McKenzie will leave the defending Super Bowl champion Packers (15-1) before they open defense of their title. The NFC’s No. 1 seed is off this weekend with a first-round playoff bye.”
w00t! The sooner he starts, the better!
^^^^^^^
Great news!
Time for McKenzie to take care of business baby!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
YA
the #279 link didn’t reference that ‘06 draft talk. Sounded good! Different link?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
It doesnt take a genius to see which qb is playing better football.
****************************
The common slob in the stands doesn’t care because one QB throws the long ball and the other QB can’t.
The common man is easily fooled…bloody little poor people.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Mistic
you wouldn’t rather be playing for the playoffs this last season and the next two instead of using a mid-1st rounder on the 3rd-highest non-Barkley, non-Jones rated QB this season?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
303Raider Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Aaron Rodgers wouldn’t have taken this team to the playoffs this year!
Our defense gave UP 433 points!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
……….
Perspective is not allowed in the Raider Nation. You know that. That’s gay 49er stuff.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Hue is a sub-moron, all stuck on bluster and ego: in other words, “he caint do nothing right.” Even his play calling is crap.
Anyway, Hue the magnificient and Sandusky were seen naked from the waist down rolling in the back seat of Hue’s caddy.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Sorry Mistical…you can be. No Limit soldier all u want for Hue but he sucks…excuses don’t fly here…that 3 wide crap is invalid since our blueprint for success was the first SD game…see I form power run with heyer att LG and wiz at C? Tonga at FB?….and I don’t buy the dropoff at LG with Heyer….but if we wanna do that what’s more vital Center or LG
January 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
296.RaiderRetribution Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Seymour, Routt, Huff, Kelly, Wimbley, are all in the top ten on the Raiders payroll- Raiders defense was 29th; someone has got to go.
at least three should be cut and/or traded
^^^^^^^
Yeah, but they all played with an incompetent DC leading them also.
I would like to see half those guys restructure those contracts down…AGAIN and maybe one of them get traded for a pick or two.
I think Huff can be traded for a late 2nd rounder or early 3rd rounder at least. Try to ship him off to Dallas maybe?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mistic.
you wouldn’t rather be playing for the playoffs this last season and the next two instead of using a mid-1st rounder on the 3rd-highest non-Barkley, non-Jones rated QB this season?
We’re already young. We didn’t need another 1st round project. We needed a QB.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Im almost positive mackenzie will see the carson deal as a blunder, and a reach. he believes like davis used to before free agency in building through the draft. im sure if he were here when jc went down he does nt make that deal, neither does davis.
That was all hue jack and he is on an island with it.
***
Mistic,
if we didn’t trade for Palmer – then what?
roll with Kyle Boller the rest of the season? Hand the reigns to Terrelle Pryor fresh off of a suspension after a few weeks of practice?
I guess we could have re-signed Jeff Garcia or went after Jake Delhomme or Kellen Clemens.
What would you have done ???
What would Al have done ???
January 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Yeah, the Carson trade was a real blunder, we should have stuck with Boll…..ah hahahaha, I couldnt do it without laughing.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Correction:
1. Franchise Tag Gio
2. Move Wiz to Center
January 6th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Yup Method is another RMR troll tag
++++++++
With all due respect goodOle00 NO. Unless Method is handle is being cloned he is no way shape or form MR.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Method somehow missed the fact we had no running back the last 5 weeks of the season to run his power-I 50 times a game.
Guess he missed all of Bush’s wonderful 2-yard carries vs the Lions, Dolphins, Packers, Chiefs, and Chargers.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
300.alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Mistic
you wouldn’t rather be playing for the playoffs this last season and the next two instead of using a mid-1st rounder on the 3rd-highest non-Barkley, non-Jones rated QB this season?
^^^^^^^
Exactly. Barkley and Jones are out of this draft class…so the QB draft class officially is below average in this upcoming draft.
Only guy I can see as a value QB pick in this upcoming draft is maybe Ryan Lindley from SDSU in Round 3.
Go Aztecs!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Yeah…Al Davis was known for drafting and developing QB’s! Are you kidding me with that!!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Can’t believe I have to post this. . .throwing to a spot is the classic QB action on a timing pattern.
Most of the successful passing attacks feature this aspect. Peyton Manning is known for his skill in this region. . .
The next person who posts something like calling Carson Palmer out for missing WR’s while throwing to a spot & not knowing what this is called (elementary football. Not even freshman level . . .) looses his man card.
In my circles you would be immediately banned.
Ultimate moron. . .
January 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
lol, this:
“Yeah, the Carson trade was a real blunder, we should have stuck with Boll…..ah hahahaha, I couldnt do it without laughing.”
Bears and Colts seasons sure were fun down the stretch, huh?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Picks will kill you and we witnessed it first hand, regardless of qb style. by the way jc also throws to spots, and anticipates breaks, he just doesnt get the credit for doing so,
——————————————————-
I’d say it’s the style the HC preferred.
JC was an NFL QB so of course he can throw to spots and anticipate breaks.
This whole thing probably comes down to about 3 or 4 throws per game either way. I think Palmer trusts himself and the WRs much more than JC did. I don’t think that is debateable. You can call it taking chances, Cable can call it cutting it loose.
JFB and I had this exact “style” conversation while JC was still the QB. I actually prefer somewhere right in the middle of JC and Palmer. All Palmer needs to do is check it down a bit more and he’ll be fine.
=================================
It would be nice if it were really just a matter of checking down more often, but it is more than that.
1.) If your “style” means more picks than it is incumbant upon you to change and protect the ball.
2.) carson didnt just force the ball deep, like many want us to think, he often made terrible reads, especially when the heat was in his face. Example, the first pick vs gb, with mild pressure he rolls out and throws a 10 yard pass into quintuple coverage?!?! defenders fell off their assignments to follow him as they know his tendency to panic and make bad throws. This was not about him trying to make a big play down the field.
3.) carson was late and off target often especially on comeback routes on the sideline. This is why he HAS LED THE NFL IN PICK 6 THROWN FOR THE LAST TWO YEARS. defenders facing their own endzone jump the route and take it to the house, we saw it several times this year, and one was called back by penalty and at least 4 others were dropped.
It seems to me that bungles cant change their stripes and much like i pointed out with grads last year, guys that throw lots of picks will continue to do so. palmer has always thrown lots of picks like grads, this isnt a fluke its a long standing pattern
Why do people refuse to acknowledge this fact
January 6th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
where is Dirt Lot?
still waiting for Herrera to confirm the hire?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Lowdown lmao….post 299 is hilarious
January 6th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
307.L.A. Raider Dave Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Yeah, the Carson trade was a real blunder, we should have stuck with Boll…..ah hahahaha, I couldnt do it without laughing.
^^^^^^^
LOL, at the people who still would have had Boller play QB for us the rest of the season.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
McKenzie’s first order of business:
contract extension for Condo
January 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Herrera is crapping bricks right now!!
LOL!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
McKenzie’s first order of business:
contract extension for Condo
———————————–
Hell’s yeah! JC, all day every day.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
AlexSullivanLame44……maybe u missed the fact hue had weak ass interior line play that could have be solved by moving satele out….go fk urself btch
January 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
RaiderRockstar, you need to vist earth once in a while bruh…Suggesting that we trade JFORD crazy talk…
January 6th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Let’s roll out the overhead projector one more time, for old time’s sake.
JUST KEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEP HUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUUE, BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Jacoby Ford was partying New Years Eve….he was tweeting at 3am….pose to be asleep….trade or cut his flower ass
January 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Mistic,
I think people realize Palmer throws a few more picks than other QBs. He also does a LOT MORE DAMAGE with his good throws than safe guys like JC, McCoy, Pennington.
It’s a risk-reward.
And it helped get the Bengals to the playoffs TWICE in his last 5 full seasons.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
whats good b@uce!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Mistic
you wouldn’t rather be playing for the playoffs this last season and the next two instead of using a mid-1st rounder on the 3rd-highest non-Barkley, non-Jones rated QB this season?
==============
we didnt need palmer to make the playoffs next year or after Jc was fine, and we were on our way.
No i dont think the trade made sense, even if palmer took us to the playoffs, (and i knew he wouldnt) the team wasnt good enough to go far.
Panic move and a reach we could have missd the playoffs with boller and ended up with a decent draft position. stocked in the draft and been poised with a healthy team next year. unnecessary risk that back fired like a rusty gun at a drive by
January 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Congrats to Reggie McKenzie, now we have a real modern talent evaluator and leader.
Business is officially open with McKenzie onboard.
Davis, Madden and McKenzie must have all been on the same page on where to take this Raider team from here on out!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
jC never lost back to back games as a starter….when JC’s offense tallied 500 yards they win…Palmer? Robert Carson Palmer sucks…might as well face he is addicted to picks
January 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Method,
Satele started at center during our 3-game winning streak where we averaged 130 rushing yards.
Bush broke down as a full-time RB.
It’s simple.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
325.Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Jacoby Ford was partying New Years Eve….he was tweeting at 3am….pose to be asleep….trade or cut his flower ass
^^^^^^^^
If he was partying that late before an important game the next day, then McKenzie should trade Ford for a 2nd Rounder and a 5th Rounder.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
No wonder Carson Palmer was so pissed when Ford fell down on that route.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Plunk the Mizzou Tigers are what’s good….besides that nada else until Hue is sent on his way
January 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Method
JC spent 2.5 of his first 5 games on the bench being outplayed by Gradkowski.
Rational fans see a BETTER first 5 games from Palmer than JC, and look forward to the same improvement in season 2 that JC showed.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Mistic,
I think people realize Palmer throws a few more picks than other QBs. He also does a LOT MORE DAMAGE with his good throws than safe guys like JC, McCoy, Pennington.
It’s a risk-reward.
And it helped get the Bengals to the playoffs TWICE in his last 5 full seasons.
================
alex, just like i told you about your boy grads last year, MORE PICKS IS NEVER A GOOD THING.
Think for a second there are many ways to score tds besides td passes. a qb can lead the drive and hand it off or run it for a score. your defense and special teams can score, td passes are over rated in this respect.
Yet a turnover will get you beat more often than not. In particular interceptions are back breakers. Dont you think farve would have won more than one superbowl if he learned to avoid the back breaking picks?
elway won when he learned to protect the ball first. In fact protecting the ball is a qbs first job
January 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
JC doesn’t read defenses quick enough; which is why he misses receivers downfield, throws the ball out of bounds & ends off checking down to RB’s. . .
I WAS a huge ‘Soup backer. I had bought into the lack of continuity he had with OC’s & the like, all the way back to college.
But the way he dtsplayed his ineptitude in the Cleveland game helped me make up my mind; this guy, for all his strong character, being a stand up guy, well, this doesn’t hide his shortcomings; which are huge.
His strength is being a game manager. You don’t want this guy leading the way, do you?
Also; just mow many snaps did Palmer have with DMAC? How ’bout ‘Soup? Yeah, I thought so. . .the comebacks become receptions when his WR’s develop the ability to sell the deeper routes, thus creating the requisite space to complete comeback routes.
How many times have you seen Raider WR’s covered on comeback routes? Yeah, thought so. . .
I don’t see how anyone could prefer ‘Soup over Palmer. . .oh, well, that is one reason next year will be so sewwt. . .continuity & repitition will solve these stated problems. . .
January 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
That where your cuz plays, right?.. I’m hoping Reggie brings us a very interesting and productive offseason.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Mistic,
using your logic, isn’t an INT just one of many ways to turn the ball over?
If you’re saying TD passes are just one of many ways to score…
January 6th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
B@uce,
woke up, checked the site and some crossdresser is calling you MR???
Didn’t know you had pizzed of Chaz Bono…
January 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
“Jacoby Ford was partying New Years Eve….he was tweeting at 3am….pose to be asleep….trade or cut his flower ass”
Again guys not focused on the game. This is why I got upset at McClain. I could care less what he is accused of or what he actually did in Alabama. The problem I have with him is he was supposed to studying the Dolphins offense that day not fighting.
Some guys are focused on the task at hand while others are partying and can’t wait for payday!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
What a great day in Raiderland. It will be known in the Nation as the McKenzie era. Some of you will have to be dragged kicking and screaming into this new era after Hue gets canned but you’ll come around.
Reggie will make a few mistakes, everyone does, but in the long run we will become one of the best franchises in the NFL.
I have waited twenty years for this day.
The King is dead, long live the King.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Jacoby Ford was partying New Years Eve….he was tweeting at 3am….pose to be asleep….trade or cut his flower ass
++++++++
Wrong Bruh…He is a balla, need to be kept…Period.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Method,
Satele started at center during our 3-game winning streak where we averaged 130 rushing yards.
Bush broke down as a full-time RB.
It’s simple.
=============
umm satele sucks, we ran very well of the left side but couldnt run up the middle when we faced big d lines. In fact from the center down the right side our line needs an over haul.
In fact Jc’s mobility and dmacs amazing skills masked a lot of warts where the o line i concerned
January 6th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Reggie McKenzie’s LA Raiders
#54 standing next to LesterHayes#37 @ 1:08
Funny stuff!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOcXpQYQgRw&feature=results_video&playnext=1&list=PL85C995AF9FDE820C
January 6th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Yeah lowdown I saw that too.. so ludicris that I didn’t even laugh.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Eli Manning throws a lot more INTs than Colt McCoy.
Because only one of those does anything worthwhile with their throws.
Same difference regarding Palmer and JC.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
lol @ Mistic
we averaged 140 rushing yards in 4 games in October with JC and DMac out. Your reasoning failed.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Seems like a lot of things are starting to back fire on Hue.
Obviously, Mark Davis and John Madden were wise enough not to fall for Hue’s “I’m in because I’m in it deep” garbage, and didn’t include him in the interview.
And, if Hue’s retained, hopefully not, he’s given less power and control, and not more like he demanded at his presser.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
antispy3 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
JC doesn’t read defenses quick enough; which is why he misses receivers downfield, throws the ball out of bounds & ends off checking down to RB’s. . .
I WAS a huge ‘Soup backer. I had bought into the lack of continuity he had with OC’s & the like, all the way back to college.
But the way he dtsplayed his ineptitude in the Cleveland game helped me make up my mind; this guy, for all his strong character, being a stand up guy, well, this doesn’t hide his shortcomings; which are huge.
His strength is being a game manager. You don’t want this guy leading the way, do you?
Also; just mow many snaps did Palmer have with DMAC? How ’bout ‘Soup? Yeah, I thought so. . .the comebacks become receptions when his WR’s develop the ability to sell the deeper routes, thus creating the requisite space to complete comeback routes.
How many times have you seen Raider WR’s covered on comeback routes? Yeah, thought so. . .
I don’t see how anyone could prefer ‘Soup over Palmer. . .oh, well, that is one reason next year will be so sewwt. . .continuity & repitition will solve these stated problems. . .
==============
laughable
none of this explaains why palmer has had so many picks in his career folks. Its is a pattern like the bungle stripes he came here with.
Please provide some proof of this “reads the defense slowly” garbage. You have no clue how quickly a qb makes his reads from your couch.
face it this is strictly about your favorite, and not based on what happens on the field. On the field Jc has outperformed palmer for at least the last two years. Dont tell me about passing yards or td totals, look at turn overs, its the qbs number one assignment.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Man, i’ve read enough moronic nonsense on this blog today to make up for an entire off season. See ya clowns next season!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
2nd rounder for Terrell Pryor? Yeah maybe if the 2nd rounder is in 2019.
If any team wanted to give up a 2nd rounder for Terrell Pryor, they could have done it 4 months ago in the Sup draft.
Not only did nobody offer a 2nd, we know since the Raiders picked #17, that half the league didn’t offer a 3rd either.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I heard our new GM is starting right away. This means that guys will start getting cut and traded soon!
Can’t wait to see who goes first.
My guess…..#55
January 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Purple lips is by far the worse pres in amer history. Even a stiff like Romney can wipe the floor with him and then throw him out the top floor window back to Community organizing where he belongs.
______
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Haha. MB thinks Romney has a chance at beating 0bama.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Mistic,
You have to promise us you won’t hang yourself next Tuesday, when McKenzie comes out and says Hue is done, we will not offer a Soup a contract, and one of the main reasons he came to Oakland is because a franchise QB was already in place.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Sam Sword > Rolando McClain
January 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Eli Manning throws a lot more INTs than Colt McCoy.
Because only one of those does anything worthwhile with their throws.
Same difference regarding Palmer and JC.
=================================
that is a very weak arguement. But eli is another guy that throws way too many picks and is over rated. he is good but could be great if he didnt throw all of those picks, look at his brother.
THE BEST QBS IN FOOTBALL DONT THROW MANY PICKS PEOPLE IT IS THAT SIMPLE
January 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Wrong.
#55 will be evaluated by the new DC.
_____
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
I heard our new GM is starting right away. This means that guys will start getting cut and traded soon!
Can’t wait to see who goes first.
My guess…..#55
January 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
On a cold snowy day here in Halifax, my thoughts were certainly warmed up with the announcement of #54’s hire. The MD era of Raiders football is underway. Mark Davis has proven he is a shrewd operator in the highest echelons of the NFL. Swiftly righting the Raider’s ship with a great hire to guide the teams’ near , medium and long term future!!!
I must say, it was due in part to the uncanny football mind of his father AD, that I became a fan of the Silver & Black in the early 70’s. I feel better even though it has been less than a week since season ending disappointment and hope that it can be the end of the post season drought.
Congratulations to Mark Davis and CEO Amy Trask for taking the Raiders into the future beginning with such a positive move.
BTW I hope Kansas Statw whips Arkansas in the Cotton Bowl tonight, never liked Petrino especially after he quit on the Falcons…what a bum.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Here is some stuff on the new GM from the Packer website.
He is a twin. He was valedictorian of his high school class (means he had the highest GPA in the class). Has a masters in eduction. (Maybe he can get some of the guys to learn how to play).
Named director – football operations May 27, 2008. First joined Packers in 1994 as a pro personnel assistant; promoted to director of pro personnel in 1997.
A 10th-round pick from Tennessee in 1985, he enjoyed a seven-year playing career as a linebacker, suiting up for the then-Los Angeles Raiders (1985-88), the then-Phoenix Cardinals (1989-90) and the San Francisco 49ers (1992). Also played the 1992 season with the Montreal Machine of the then-World League of American Football.
Twin brother, Raleigh, also attended Tennessee and enjoyed a 16-year NFL career, including two seasons in Green Bay (1999-2000).
President of the ‘McKenzie Foundation,’ a non-profit youth foundation in Knoxville.
A two-way star as a prep at Austin East High School in Knoxville, was valedictorian of his 1981 graduating class.
Reggie McKenzie enters his 25th year in the NFL and his 18th season as a member of the Packers’ personnel department. Since he joined the team’s front office in 1994, Green Bay’s 170 regular-season wins over that period rank tied for third most with Indianapolis, trailing only Pittsburgh (172) and New England (180). Also in McKenzie’s tenure, the Packers have captured seven division titles, three conference championships and Super Bowls XXXI and XLV.
A former player, coach and now personnel executive, McKenzie oversees Green Bay’s scouting efforts of all professional football leagues, including the NFL, CFL and Arena Football League, as well as all other pro leagues and international players. He also plays an integral role in judging the Packers’ current players and evaluating potential free agents across the league. McKenzie is heavily involved in all of the team’s moves on a daily basis, including all tryouts and transactions.
During the season, McKenzie provides advance scouting reports on upcoming opponents, working closely with Head Coach Mike McCarthy and his staff. He also contributes to the scouting of college prospects, making school visits in both the fall and spring, and works in conjunction with General Manager Ted Thompson in preparation for the annual draft.
He was promoted to director – football operations in 2008 after serving 10 years as the Packers’ director of pro personnel. A former NFL linebacker for seven seasons (1985-90, 1992), the 48-year-old McKenzie had been promoted to director of pro personnel by then-Executive Vice President/General Manager Ron Wolf in May 1997 after originally joining the Packers as a pro personnel assistant in 1994.
Chosen by Wolf as a 10th-round selection out of the University of Tennessee in 1985 by the then-Los Angeles Raiders, McKenzie became an immediate starter on defense and went on to win all-rookie honors. After four years (1985-88) with the Raiders, McKenzie spent two injury-plagued seasons (1989-90) with the then-Phoenix Cardinals and one year (1992) with the San Francisco 49ers.
Prior to signing with the 49ers, he played with the World League’s Montreal Machine in the spring of 1992. While out of football in 1991, McKenzie spent a season as a defensive coach for Dorsey High School in south central Los Angeles.
In 1993, McKenzie returned to Tennessee and served as an assistant under head coach Philip Fulmer. That year, the Volunteers appeared in the Florida Citrus Bowl and landed one of the nation’s top recruiting classes, highlighted by QB Peyton Manning. While back in Knoxville, McKenzie also pursued a master’s degree in education administration.
Born in Knoxville, Tenn., on Feb. 8, 1963, McKenzie earned a bachelor’s degree in business administration with an emphasis in personnel management at Tennessee. A two-way football star at Austin East High School in Knoxville, McKenzie was valedictorian of his 1981 graduating class. His twin brother, Raleigh, also attended Tennessee and enjoyed a 16-year NFL career, including his final two seasons with Green Bay (1999-2000), before he retired in 2001.
McKenzie and his wife, June, a Green Bay attorney, have two daughters, Jasmin, 19, who attends Wheaton College in Illinois and Mahkayla, 17, who will enroll at Duke University in the fall. He also has two sons, Reginald Kahlil, 14, and Jalen Elijah, 12. In his spare time, McKenzie enjoys spending time with his family and assisting with youth sports in the Green Bay area.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
That was all hue jack and he is on an island with it.
——————————————————
I still find it interesting that Mark Davis doesn’t get more credit/blame for that trade.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Jacoby Ford was partying New Years Eve….he was tweeting at 3am….pose to be asleep
No wonder Carson Palmer was so pissed when Ford fell down on that route
***
Exactly
costed us the series, possibly the game!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
alex7 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
lol @ Mistic
we averaged 140 rushing yards in 4 games in October with JC and DMac out. Your reasoning failed.
=============
MAYBE you didnt notice how many sacks palmer took, or the drop off in the running game. Bush is also a very good runner, but he doesnt have the ability to make people miss in the back field like dmac. Dmac and jc avoiding dfenders behind the los covered a lot of flaws in our o line.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
that 3 wide crap is invalid since our blueprint for success was the first SD game…
——————————————————-
Going to be interesting to see if our new GM prefers the wide open style of offense that GB has, or he’ll sign off on the “blueprint”.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Why is everyone so stuck on ford slipping? because it is one of the few picks blog favorite palmer has thrown where it is some what plausible that it wasnt his fault. we dont even know if that throw was on target, and it doesnt explain the other 15 picks, or the 12 dropped picks
January 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Reggie McKenzie hired as GM?!
It’s hard to see how this is anything but something good.
This is pretty much what we’ve been waiting for.
Reggie McKenzie has zero experience as a general manager but there isn’t a football team on the planet that’s going to let a good general manager go any more than you’re going to get a good QB through a trade.
Sometimes new general managers work out and sometimes they don’t.
I always kind of pulled for Matt Millen to succeed because he was a good player for the Nation but he just didn’t work out in Detroit.
Here’s a guy who started out on the bottom rung of a good organization and has risen up steadily through merit and one thing I like in particular is that he’s been with them for awhile.
Reggie is primed to be a great general manager and is about the best choice you could make.
If Ron Wolfe says he’s a good judge of talent, then he probably is.
Seems like Reggie McKenzie is going to make us proud as long as Mark Davis gave him the power that any GM needs.
If he didn’t then Reggie might get into a spitting contest with Hue.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
MAYBE you didnt notice how many sacks palmer took, or the drop off in the running game. Bush is also a very good runner, but he doesnt have the ability to make people miss in the back field like dmac. Dmac and jc avoiding dfenders behind the los covered a lot of flaws in our o line.
_____________________________
do you honestly think JC can win a superbowl? the two SD games and the game vs the Lions showed me CP has the goods if he can play consistent so i’d take my chances with him
January 6th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Didn’t Drew Brees led the NFL in INT’s last year?
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I like that Mark Davis stays out of the limelight. He seems like a decent sort to me.
He has become the man that calls the shots and he gets an A+ in my book.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Love this hire. Great job Mark.
Funny thing is about 40% of the people on here orally welcoming Reggie’s knob to the Raider Nation will be calling for is head on a platter after one failed draft pick or a lost playoff game. It amazes me how much some of you know so much about a football team and nothing about the game it’s self.
This time next year, several of you will have Ol Reggie tied to the stake and stoning him to death. Print that!
Future is looking up.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
This blog needs a GM!
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Didn’t Drew Brees led the NFL in INT’s last year?
______________________________________________________
Yeah, overated.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Palmer threw 328 passes this year and was sacked 17 times.
Soup threw 329 passes last year and was sacked 33 times.
Same amount of passes, twice as many sacks.
January 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
that is a very weak arguement. But eli is another guy that throws way too many picks and is over rated. he is good but could be great if he didnt throw all of those picks, look at his brother.
THE BEST QBS IN FOOTBALL DONT THROW MANY PICKS PEOPLE IT IS THAT SIMPLE
_________________
Eli won a superbowl, Cp wins us a superbowl you can bash him about his picks all you want
January 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
“Twocents Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I like that Mark Davis stays out of the limelight. He seems like a decent sort to me.
He has become the man that calls the shots and he gets an A+ in my book.”
So true and he is a classically handsome guy, women love him I am told!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
It’s a great day in Raider Nation. We finally have a legitimate personel man, not to mention someone who will knock Hue Jack down a peg or two.
I’d like to thank John Madden and Ken Wolf for their efforts guiding Mark Davis to this decision.
Go Raiders!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer does toss a helluva deep ball though.
His 11 plays of 40+ yards this year tied him with Brees for 5th in the league, behind Rodgers, Brady and Eli.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
To remove people you with 3 or 9 alias’s ?
_____
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
This blog needs a GM!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
palmer has always thrown lots of picks like grads, this isnt a fluke its a long standing pattern
Why do people refuse to acknowledge this fact
——————————————————
I don’t think anyone is saying Carson Palmer isn’t prone to throwing ints.
I think what you are failing to acknowledge is that a lot us understand the risk and are willing to accept that for games like we just saw against SD and even Det.
The “blueprint” game had Carson Palmer at QB. If Bush is just adequate in pass blocking that game, I think Palmer finishes with a perfect QB rating.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
372.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Didn’t Drew Brees led the NFL in INT’s last year?
______________________________________________________
Yeah, overated.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Dutch, you must be from San Diego.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Palmer threw 328 passes this year and was sacked 17 times.
Soup threw 329 passes last year and was sacked 33 times.
Same amount of passes, twice as many sacks.”
JFB You can’t argue with an empty vessel! Mystic1 is like a 16 year old girl that got an Acura for her birthday instead of a Porsche and then spend her every waking hour complaining about it to whomever will listen.
Empty space between his ears and an love affair with another man that knows no ends!
Its clear you understand football and have a good football IQ….you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
This blog needs a GM!
_________________________________________________________
Already taken care of!lol
January 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Mistic:
Cps gonna be the QB. Why not start concerning yourself with a black man being (Reggie Mckenzie) being a good football GM? He would make a great role model if he does a good job and in the meanwhile you can join us in being excited about the direction of our team
January 6th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
J Hill Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
that 3 wide crap is invalid since our blueprint for success was the first SD game…
——————————————————-
Going to be interesting to see if our new GM prefers the wide open style of offense that GB has, or he’ll sign off on the “blueprint”.
============
I actually like the 3 and 4 wide single back sets, but its better when dmac is back there as he is a threat on the draw. I thought dhb ford moore and chaz would be good in those packages, unfortunately we just never got to see them all healthy enough to do it
January 6th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Meanwhile, Mike Vick threw 50 more passes than Palmer, and had a whole 4 plays of over 40 yards.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Palmer threw 328 passes this year and was sacked 17 times.
Soup threw 329 passes last year and was sacked 33 times.
Same amount of passes, twice as many sacks.
==================
I like that you went back to last season for sacks on jc. The oline was far worse last year so he took more sacks last year.
This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer clearly was. against the pass rush palmers lack of mobility and proclivity for panic stricken lobs cost us sacks and turn overs.
Why even try to debate that
January 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
“Twocents Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I like that Mark Davis stays out of the limelight. He seems like a decent sort to me.
He has become the man that calls the shots and he gets an A+ in my book.”
So true and he is a classically handsome guy, women love him I am told!
——————————————————-
I dodnt know that I would go that far. I thought this was Kell’s old lady at first with the bowl hair cut.
http://www.exposay.com/mark-davis-2009-nfl—oakland-raiders-at-houston-texans-6-29—october-4-2009/p/33420/8/
January 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
a 16 year old girl that got an Acura for her birthday instead of a Porsche and then spend her every waking hour complaining about it to whomever will listen.
******************************
True story, at the investment firm I worked at in Vegas, our secretary was suprised by her dad on her 21st birthday with a brand new BMW in the parking lot.
She came running back into the office crying because it was blue, not the grey she had asked for, and didn’t want it.
You had to see it to believe it.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
McKenzie’s first order of business:
contract extension for Condo
+++++
and take that BO!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
that is a very weak arguement. But eli is another guy that throws way too many picks and is over rated. he is good but could be great if he didnt throw all of those picks, look at his brother.
THE BEST QBS IN FOOTBALL DONT THROW MANY PICKS PEOPLE IT IS THAT SIMPLE
_________________
Eli won a superbowl, Cp wins us a superbowl you can bash him about his picks all you want
========================
pointing out plamers picks isnt bashing him its just being honest.
palmer win the superbowl?!?!/ maybe on techmo bowl
January 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer clearly was.
*********************
If Palmer “clearly was” sacked often, what would you describe last years sack total?
I used last year, because it was literally the exact same number of dropbacks, and other than swapping Wiz for Bob Gallery, was the exact same O-line.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
There isn’t much wrong with Palmer.
Jeeeeeeeeeeeze, in the last game didn’t the guy go 28/43, 417 yards, for 2 TD’s?! The interception was on Ford.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Brownstains you are an illiterate piece of trailer park trash that has never once posted anything of relevance to this Blog as long as you have been here.
In fact each one of us is dumber for have read your fragmented sentences sprinkled with horrible syntax, lack of relative content and it shows your lack of education.
Your feeble attempts at a retort are laughable in fact watching you fumble the English language is like watching MR make love to his cousin “GROSS”
Please do us all a favor and take a basic reading class this Spring so we can somehow decipher your ramblings in the near future.
Now please leave us big boys alone to talk football and you can go back to telling people that electricity was “Invented” by the Italians.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
McKenzie’s first order of business:
contract extension for Condo
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
You’re joking but Lechler agrees with it.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I think that Reggie knew months ago that he would be offered the job and that he would take it.
So I think he has had plenty of time to chart his course.
I can’t wait to see what that course is.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Mistic = Sully’s moms douche nozzle.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Wouldn’t be so quick to trade a player like Carson Palmer. Just for kicks, see how his numbers compare to Raiders legend Jim Plunkett:
JPlunkett
1971-1986 TD: 164 Int: 198 Yds: 25,882
Comp Pct: 52.5 QB Rate: 67.5
CPalmer
2003-2011 TD: 167 Int: 116 Yds: 25,447
Comp Pct: 62.7 QB Rate: 86.3
Virtually the same TD’s and Yards, in a career roughly half as long so far…with 82 less Int’s.
Carson Palmer stays a Raider, and takes us to the Promised Land. (No, Tebow…the OTHER Promised Land.)
January 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
SeyGlenn666, why is the trailer park insult your favorite blast no matter alias you are using?
_________
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Brownstains you are an illiterate piece of trailer park trash
January 6th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor
Be nice now I look like that.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
“Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Palmer threw 328 passes this year and was sacked 17 times.
Soup threw 329 passes last year and was sacked 33 times.
Same amount of passes, twice as many sacks.”
JFB You can’t argue with an empty vessel! Mystic1 is like a 16 year old girl that got an Acura for her birthday instead of a Porsche and then spend her every waking hour complaining about it to whomever will listen.
Empty space between his ears and an love affair with another man that knows no ends!
Its clear you understand football and have a good football IQ….you can lead a horse to water but you cant make him drink!
=====================
Whats funny is that for all of the name calling and saying im playing favorites, it actually appears that you and others are the ones with some strange fixation or crush on palmer.
Palmer has been a turnover machine for at least the last two years, and he hasnt won. jC turns it over less and was winning.
on the field JC has been better, regardless of anyone’s favorite
January 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I TOO worry about Palmer’s picks, and his burning urge to try to convert every 3rd and 14.
That was the smartest thing Jamarcus’ ever said, when he talked about turning things over to “all-world” Shane Lechler on some 4th downs.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
The situation with Palmer is all about this.
Let’s say for some brilliant decision, Reggie Mac decides to trade Palmer.
Think of the teams needing a starting QB. Who would trade for Palmer? What could the Raiders get in return? Could they get a one, a two, a three? What exactly is Palmer’s worth right now on an open market?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Wouldn’t be so quick to trade a player like Carson Palmer. Just for kicks, see how his numbers compare to Raiders legend Jim Plunkett:
JPlunkett
1971-1986 TD: 164 Int: 198 Yds: 25,882
Comp Pct: 52.5 QB Rate: 67.5
CPalmer
2003-2011 TD: 167 Int: 116 Yds: 25,447
Comp Pct: 62.7 QB Rate: 86.3
Virtually the same TD’s and Yards, in a career roughly half as long so far…with 82 less Int’s.
Carson Palmer stays a Raider, and takes us to the Promised Land. (No, Tebow…the OTHER Promised Land.)
______________________________________________________
Good points. Can’t argue with facts…
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Agree… Carson Palmer will be our Qb for at least the next 2 yrs ..problably more ..
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Sorry 666. Jokes baby…dim just jokes!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
All I know is that you can’t change Head Coaches and QB’s every single season and expect to have success.
Last season was an anomaly, by any stretch of the imagination. It’s a miracle that the team held up as strongly as we did all things considered.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
“trailer park insult your favorite blast”
I think its painfully obvious to many here what you are.
hint: your poor writing skills give away your lack of education….thus = trail park trash!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Q: How are Raiders run compared to other franchises?
Wolf: I’m not into that really and truly. It’s an area I don’t know that much about. I do know having worked 25 years under Al Davis with the Raiders exactly what that was like when he was in control. The great thing about working for him was the fact that you knew what you were supposed to do and you were given the opportunity to do that. Everything was compartmentalized. I do not know what the structure is today or what it’s like because I left in 1990, but it would seem to me that whole thing has fallen apart from the sense of a structural standpoint. And I think that’s what the need to get back.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
“…it would seem the whole thing has fallen apart from the sense of a structural standpoint.”
Yeah, that’s kind of what some of us thought too Ron
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
anyone have a link to that JaMarcus interview??
I want to read it… Please.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Raiders finished last in the NFl in 3rd and 12+ conversions, at 19%.
Amazingly, anyone care to guess what the league-leading Saint’s conversion rate was on 3rd and 12+?
54 fkn %!!!!!
Holly crap that is impressive
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer clearly was.
*********************
If Palmer “clearly was” sacked often, what would you describe last years sack total?
I used last year, because it was literally the exact same number of dropbacks, and other than swapping Wiz for Bob Gallery, was the exact same O-line.
===============
Jc took sack last year and the o line was worse. This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer with the EXACT SAME OLINE couldnt avoid sacks
JFB, i know you dont like jc, but to argue that he isnt far more mobile and far better on the move than palmer is asinine
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
pointing out plamers picks isnt bashing him its just being honest.
palmer win the superbowl?!?!/ maybe on techmo bowl
________________
you really think JC can win us a superbowl? Reggie doesn’t either
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Plunk the Mizzou Tigers are what’s good….besides that nada else until Hue is sent on his way
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
When Mizzo meets Baylor, at that time things will get bad for Mizzo.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Think Reggie makes/asks Palmer renegoiate/restructure his contract? Next year $10M or $12M?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Palmer already restructured his current contract when he came aboard.
I will have to defer to Bcz24 on this, but I believe you can only restructure the same contract once.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Think Reggie makes/asks Palmer renegoiate/restructure his contract? Next year $10M or $12M?
—-
“Obviously”
January 6th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor
Its cool Bro I was just letting you know why I said that.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Wouldn’t be so quick to trade a player like Carson Palmer. Just for kicks, see how his numbers compare to Raiders legend Jim Plunkett:
JPlunkett
1971-1986 TD: 164 Int: 198 Yds: 25,882
Comp Pct: 52.5 QB Rate: 67.5
CPalmer
2003-2011 TD: 167 Int: 116 Yds: 25,447
Comp Pct: 62.7 QB Rate: 86.3
Virtually the same TD’s and Yards, in a career roughly half as long so far…with 82 less Int’s.
Carson Palmer stays a Raider, and takes us to the Promised Land. (No, Tebow…the OTHER Promised Land.)
______________________________________________________
Good points. Can’t argue with facts…
================
this isnt 1983, you simply wont win with the qb turning it over so often in todays game
January 6th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Palmer already restructured his current contract when he came aboard.
I will have to defer to Bcz24 on this, but I believe you can only restructure the same contract once.
—-
He restructured the 1st year only.
And there arent any restrictions on the amount of times.
Gallery re-did his every year.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
JFB, i know you dont like jc, but to argue that he isnt far more mobile and far better on the move than palmer is asinine
***************************
JC is far more mobile and athletic, but he takes more sacks than Palmer.
This is a non-debatable FACT.
I’ll let you figure out why Soup takes more sacks than his less-athletic counterpart.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Palmer threw 328 passes this year and was sacked 17 times.
Soup threw 329 passes last year and was sacked 33 times.
Same amount of passes, twice as many sacks.
+++++++++++++++++++++
What?!
last years OLine was the worst in football, Jason and Bruce were running for their lives constatntly.
Jason had what 7-10 sacks this season;
Raiders OLine has been ranked in the middle of the league this season, vastly improved; witha 2nd year (1st year full season) at LT, rookie LG, undersized center, veteran rg who had a comebqack year, RT was limited.
I’m not concerned about our pass protection it improved immensely, and as WRs run crisper routes, Carson builds chemistry, OLine develops, I expect sacks to decrease and TDs to increase.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
ANYONE
HAVE
A
LINK
TO
THE
JAMARCUS RUSSELL INTERVIEW. PLEASE
January 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
this isnt 1983, you simply wont win with the qb turning it over so often in todays game
____________
how do you feel about Hue Jackson not believing in JC?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Jc took sack last year and the o line was worse. This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer with the EXACT SAME OLINE couldnt avoid sacks
JFB, i know you dont like jc, but to argue that he isnt far more mobile and far better on the move than palmer is asinine
___________________________________________________
Palmer is not as mobile or accurate on the move as Campbell. But Palmer is a far more accurate QB especially on the deep throws down the field.
That bomb that Palmer threw to Moore last weekend would have been 3-5 yards out of bounds if Campbell had thrown it.
That’s just reality.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Yes Mystic1 I worship Carson Palmer I have a huge shrine set up in my living room that includes:
Carson Palmer authentic #3 jersey
Hundreds of football shaped candles
A drop of his blood
A beaker full of your tears (which was easy considering all the crying you do)
A sacrificial lamb
A pagans handbook to helping an NFL QB win
Al Davis toe nail clipping
A lock of Amy Trask’s hair
January 6th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
zopi Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
The situation with Palmer is all about this.
Let’s say for some brilliant decision, Reggie Mac decides to trade Palmer.
Think of the teams needing a starting QB. Who would trade for Palmer? What could the Raiders get in return? Could they get a one, a two, a three? What exactly is Palmer’s worth right now on an open market?
====================
Trading palmer was simply what i hope mackenzi will do. I dont really expect it to happen, but i think it could get us a second round pick. You never know ther could be a team like minny that beleives that palmer would be an upgrade and worth a first rounder. They after all still think ponder is better than webb, so i wouldnt consider them football geniuses. i dobt that any team would see palmer worth a 1st rounder especially after that pathetic game footage he put together this year, you know 3 games with 3 or more picks, in only 8 starts
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Jc took sack last year and the o line was worse. This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer with the EXACT SAME OLINE couldnt avoid sacks
——————————————————-
Isn’t it simply fair to say that Glo was more comfortable in year 2 as the Raider starting QB?
More comfortable with the WRs and the playbook, so he played faster?
Why isn’t that same progression possible for Palmer?
You want to continue to fall back on Palmer’s history? Campbell’s history was no where near as good as Palmer’s was.
No way in heck Campbell comes back to the Raiders. That ship has sailed. So to suggest trading Palmer and going back to the scrapheap for a QB or starting Pryor is just plain silly mayne.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
oh no, JFB bringing legit facts! Run everyone, run!!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
SNB666
#425 REAL FUNNY!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Anyone who doesn’t believe that Carson Palmer is Reggie McKenzie’s guy is delusional. The second he took the job his first thought is how to utilize the tools Palmer has to ensure that he can win.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
mistic:
you’re unhappy with CP and you think we can get a 2nd rounder for him, would you prefer trading him for a 2nd and retaining JC or trading him for a 2nd and signing Peyton?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
A lot of Palmer haters hanging their hats on the INT numbers. How about QB rating? Campbell had a season average of 84.2 for his six, Palmer had a season average of 80.5 for his ten.
Ah, but wait, Palmer’s average was driven down by his 1st KC game (17.3) and the GB game (42.6). Palmer had four different games in which he topped 100 in QB rating, including a 125 rating playing in SD.
Campbell’s high for the season was 108. In his other four games, the highest he got was 86.
Each QBs four best games
Palmer: 125 SD, 108 Viks, 113 Det, 103 SD II.
Campbell: 108 Buf, 86 Det, 82 NYJ, 82 Cle
QB rating tells the tale, as does the fact that Palmer posted a better completion percentage for the year.
Jason took good care of the ball, but he wasn’t the kind of QB who takes over a game. You might think the price was too high for Palmer, but he DID have those kind of games in 2011 and MIGHT be that kind of QB for the Raiders.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Deuce,
Don’t ever say I didn’t do anything for you:
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2009/09/23/jamarcus-russell-on-his-466-qb-rating-im-not-where-i-want-to-be-and-i-wont-be-there-til-quite-some-time/
January 6th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
“I’ll let you figure out why Soup takes more sacks than his less-athletic counterpart.”
It’s Palmer’s ability to read a defense quickly and react that justifies this stat.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Unrestricted FAs
69 Khalif Barnes OT
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
7 Kyle Boller QB
33 Tyvon Branch SS
29 Michael Bush RB
8 Jason Campbell QB
25 Rock Cartwright RB
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
75 Stephon Heyer OT
84 T. J. Houshmandzadeh WR
94 Jarvis Moss DE
64 Samson Satele C
81 Chaz Schilens WR
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
Restricted FAs
90 Desmond Bryant DT/DE
Exclusive-Rights FAs
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
45 Marcel Reece FB
***
Dear GM,
Reece & Bryant should be easy enough to retain.
Please make competitive offers to Bush & Branch and let the others walk the plank. RAIDERS!
++++++++++++++++++++
21 players, 16 of which are free to go anywhere of their choice (if other teams offer contracts)
Reggie definately bring back Reece, Bryant, & Branch; Satele, Campbell, Giordano also but only at the right price.
That makes 15 new players, for Reggie & Co. to bring into Raider nation, hopefully ten are on defense.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
OMG…JC is done here! I would love it if McKenzie gets him to stay, but as of now, not gonna happen! Yes, we way overpaid for Palmer, but he is gonna be here this August so interception or not, he is our qb…unless of course McKenzie really pulls off with a real trade of teh century!!!
So…come on Mystic…stop arguing and others stop arguing with him…it is useless and it isn’t going anywhere! Any of you remember the movie, War Games?
January 6th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Davy Jones Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
A lot of Palmer haters hanging their hats on the INT numbers. How about QB rating? Campbell had a season average of 84.2 for his six, Palmer had a season average of 80.5 for his ten.
Ah, but wait, Palmer’s average was driven down by his 1st KC game (17.3) and the GB game (42.6). Palmer had four different games in which he topped 100 in QB rating, including a 125 rating playing in SD.
Campbell’s high for the season was 108. In his other four games, the highest he got was 86.
Each QBs four best games
Palmer: 125 SD, 108 Viks, 113 Det, 103 SD II.
Campbell: 108 Buf, 86 Det, 82 NYJ, 82 Cle
QB rating tells the tale, as does the fact that Palmer posted a better completion percentage for the year.
Jason took good care of the ball, but he wasn’t the kind of QB who takes over a game. You might think the price was too high for Palmer, but he DID have those kind of games in 2011 and MIGHT be that kind of QB for the Raiders.
_________________
you forgot to mention CP didn’t have DMAC
January 6th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Thanks Dell I was trying to make a funny as this subject is beaten like a dead horse in here.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Ha ha ha Jonnie Lee Higgiyyyyy working out for the Cheatriots.!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
al d. davis Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Hue is a sub-moron, all stuck on bluster and ego: in other words, “he caint do nothing right.” Even his play calling is crap.
Anyway, Hue the magnificient and Sandusky were seen naked from the waist down rolling in the back seat of Hue’s caddy.
================
Have concluded that 90% of the negative, Hue sucks, racially tinged, homoerotic garbage generated here is all one ssick sick f***
U sir are a piece of work and apiece of something else as well.
Again, your punishment is…being you
January 6th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
between the 21 free agents, the the five big contracts on defense; Seymour, Huff, Routt, Wimbley, Kelly, McClain(cut or traded for salary reasons and performance); another player or two being traded or simply being cut for strictly poor performance; a new GM
Raiders could have anywhere from 25-30 different players on our roster next season.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Thanks Dell I was trying to make a funny as this subject is beaten like a dead horse in here.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
SNB666,
Same argument in here regarding Fargas and DMAC, it got so funny we were splittin hairs on who had a more popular dad.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think that Campbell had the respect of a lot of the Raiders players, as well he should.
Hue pissed a lot of those guys off because he acted like the injury to Campbell was an opportunity to get a guy that he really wanted.
Hence, Hue lost a bunch of respect among his players. Hence Hue loses his job.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
@inonewordraider true dat. DMAC would help take the focus off any QB.
Also, J Hill made a good point about Campbell having a full year with the offense.
With a full offseason and training camp, and (hopefully) healthier skill set players to work with, I think it’s fair to expect that Carson’s best football in S and B is yet to come.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Jc took sack last year and the o line was worse. This year he wasnt sacked very often, but palmer with the EXACT SAME OLINE couldnt avoid sacks
JFB, i know you dont like jc, but to argue that he isnt far more mobile and far better on the move than palmer is asinine
___________________________________________________
Palmer is not as mobile or accurate on the move as Campbell. But Palmer is a far more accurate QB especially on the deep throws down the field.
That bomb that Palmer threw to Moore last weekend would have been 3-5 yards out of bounds if Campbell had thrown it.
That’s just reality.
==================
they both have a 60% completion rate in 2011, im not usre what you mean by “far more accurate” the numbers dont say that at all.
on passes more than forty yards jc was 2-8 palmer was 2-6, not a major difference there.
Are these the numbers you use to judge qbs, Montana and young couldnt throw it 30 yards and they were very good. Protecting the ball is the main job for a qb
January 6th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
This blog needs a GM!
***
Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Hue Jackson
January 6th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
only players I see definitely returning:
Palmer, Pryor
DHB, Ford, Moore, Murphy
Boss, Meyers, Gordon, Ausberry,
McFadden, Jones, Reece (resigned),
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Barksdale, Carlisle, Campbell
Lechler, Janokowski, Condo,
Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant (resigned),
Curry,
Branch (resigned), VanDyke, Chekwa
that’s 28 players means twenty-five probable newcomers.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Same argument in here regarding Fargas and DMAC, it got so funny we were splittin hairs on who had a more popular dad.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
LMAO!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Twocents Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think that Campbell had the respect of a lot of the Raiders players, as well he should.
+++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++
Depends which year you’re talking about.
I seem to recall the players being fuk’n really pleased when Gradowski replaced him.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
JCampbell rarely, if ever, stepped up into a collapsing pocket and fired a bullet like CPalmer does with regularity. It’s part of what makes JCampbell so MADDENing to watch sometimes…not letting the ball go on time was just another part, and they’re interconnected.
JCampbell’s pocket presence is nowhere near as keen as Palmer’s. I like Campbell a ton, but objective eyes can see which QB has more talent, and who puts it to good use more regularly.
In 2012, CPalmer throws for 3,700+ Yds with 27+ TD’s & no more than 13 Int’s.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Got to bring back Rock Cartwright, IMO.
True captain
January 6th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Second Vittorio Tafur twitter quote of the day: “HueJax and McKenzie have the same agent.”
Still think Hue gets fired?
I don’t.
For the record, the first was: “I believe Davis and Trask firmly behind Hue. A lot happened this year and Hue gets another season to make good on promises.”
January 6th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
new post!
January 6th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Plunk came in with a lot of promise, just like Palmer. Plunk struggled throughout his NFL career until he came to the Raiders as a backup for Dan Pastorini. Pastorini got hurt, Plunk to the rescue and is two super-bowls history.
Because of the era he played in, Plunk didn’t add up the numbers, but had all the intangibles to be a champ. Palmer on the other hand, has had all the hype, had success early and has numbers, but has also regressed, the most important thing is unlike Plunk Palmer has all the intangibles to be a chump.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Speaking of the man from Sonora, California.
Palmer is more like Pastorini than Plunk. Pastorini was a lot tougher though.
January 6th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
We will win the west next year!!!!!
Go Raiders!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Very excited about this hire…
January 6th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Twocents Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think that Campbell had the respect of a lot of the Raiders players, as well he should.
Hue pissed a lot of those guys off because he acted like the injury to Campbell was an opportunity to get a guy that he really wanted.
Hence, Hue lost a bunch of respect among his players. Hence Hue loses his job.
++++++++++++++++++++++
What respect Hue may have lost, I think happened when he cut Hagan for I don’t know whosyourmamma, but I do know huesyourdaddy.
January 6th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Reggie! Welcome Back! NNNNIIIICCCCEEEE!!!!
Now we can focus on getting a revamped/new stadium for the Da Raiduhs to play in!
January 6th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Remember the Chuckie dolls for Gruden?
What about this for McKenzie?! See the similarity?
http://muppet.wikia.com/wiki/Fozzie_Bear
January 6th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Purple lips is by far the worse pres in amer history.
===========================================
Uh, no. It is becoming more and more obvious to every American that the conservative agenda is what has ruined this country. See the fact that the conservatives would rather tank the country than give Beohner a tax cut three weeks ago which would revive the economy. Sucks to be you as usual.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
zopi Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Speaking of the man from Sonora, California.
Palmer is more like Pastorini than Plunk. Pastorini was a lot tougher though.
======================================
I don’t know, did you watch the Miami and Green Bay games? Palmer was getting his ass KICKED out there.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Zopi Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Speaking of the man from Sonora, California.
Palmer is more like Pastorini than Plunk. Pastorini was a lot tougher though.
========
Enough of this idiocy. Im going to say this one more time…..because this Palmer stuff is idiotic.
WHAT…..QUARTERBACK….WAS >……GOING…..TO…..BE AVALABLE……WITH ANY ABILITY…….TO ……WIN GAMES…..?
N O N E
WHAT…QUARTERBACK….IN THE DRAFT COULD WE HAVE GOTTEN at 15 or 17?
N O N E
How many franchise QB’s were available as free agents next year
N O N E. Peyton Manning WASNT COMING TO OAKLAND NEXT SEASON!!
Campbell would’ve been back by the San Diego game, and we wouldve been out of playoff contention with Kyle Boller or Kyle Orton as the quarterback
END THREAD
I know Carson throws picks…. I know we gave up too much…you make the assumption that playoff QBs grow on trees, THEY DONT!!!!!!!!!!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Let the reconstruction continue
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’d like to see McKenzie and Jackson try to work together with a new DC next season.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Raider J Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’d like to see McKenzie and Jackson try to work together with a new DC next season.
========
Florio was on PFT saying a power struggle is going to ensue in Oakland if they dont work together quickly. A Todd Haley-Scott Pioli situation, and we know Jackson will chime in on the media a lot…going to be an interesting press conference on Tuesday.
January 6th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
JC is the type o QB that can get us IN the playoffs.
CP3 is the type of QB that wins us a SB.
We’ve seen the best of JC WITH Dmac.
We have no seen the best of CP3 AND he hasnt played with DMAC 1 game.
Get over it Hue and Carson haters, they give u th best chance to win!!
January 6th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Shortly after the press conference, you will hear of the termination of Hue Jackson. Let the cleaning begin and let’s get some winners in the house to coach and raise the level of play from our players.
McKensie to Jackson: ” I hear your pissed.”
Jackson: “You have no idea how pissed I am.”
McKensie: “Well, you’re about to be pissed even more.”
January 6th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Temper the enthusiasm fellas. A GREAT hire, but this mess will take 3-4 years at least to turn around.
(Recover from CP3 fiasco, give away draft picks, re-build O line and Defensive line et al…)
January 6th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
And one more thing- can we please get a coach that’s not a meterosexual who goes to the nail salon each week? How does that make a tream want to be a bully, when your coach primps himself like a wuss?
January 6th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
466.RaiderSam Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Raider J Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’d like to see McKenzie and Jackson try to work together with a new DC next season.
========
Florio was on PFT saying a power struggle is going to ensue in Oakland if they dont work together quickly. A Todd Haley-Scott Pioli situation, and we know Jackson will chime in on the media a lot…going to be an interesting press conference on Tuesday.
^^^^^^^
If Hue isn’t willing or doesn’t want to work with McKenzie, that would be just a plain dumb move by Hue. He would lose his job as a head coach and he would go back and become a QB coach or OC again and never be given a shot as a head coach again?
Hue is on record saying he will work with any GM or Boss that has the same vision as he does and that is…..TO WIN A CHAMPIONSHIP.
McKenzie and his new personnel men and Hue need to focus on fixing some player contracts to create cap space, and deciding whether or not they want to switch D schemes to a 3-4 and which DC they need to bring in.
January 6th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
With a full offseason and training camp, and (hopefully) healthier skill set players to work with, I think it’s fair to expect that Carson’s best football in S and B is yet to come.
———————————————
Yes!. I´m with Palmer starting next season, even if Hue is out of the team.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:25 am
How about Gruden coming back? He’s on the market. How sweet would that be?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:38 am
Better days are on the way….. Raiderssss… Just fix it!..
January 7th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Finally able to post via android, been a while
Finally a GM!
I say if hue wants to stay maybe Reggie keeps him as OC only!
January 7th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Palmer trade was stupid. Raiders gave up a first and second pick for four wins. Any idiot should have known the raiders were not going to make it to the super bowl with that shockingly bad defense. If they really wanted Palmer then wait for the off season when you would be able to get him for a lot less. That trade has really hurt the raiders for the next 2 years or more. Just think if they did not make the trade they would have gotten no more than 6 wins and therefore a top 10 pick….That pick would have been a potential impact player!!! That trade was horrible. I would fire Hue just because that trade shows such bad judgment. He had a responsibility to the organization and he made the grade of an “F”. I will say he is a good offensive coordinator though.
March 17th, 2012 at 12:47 am
power cleaning…
[...]Raiders confirm McKenzie hire — updated – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…