Could be a re-interview for Hue
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, January 7th, 2012 at 1:53 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Didn’t see the ESPN report where Chris Mortensen speculated Hue Jackson could be moved aside by new general manager Reggie McKenzie in favor of Green Bay defensive assistant Winston Moss. It was picked up by Profootballtalk.com and apparently was said over the air because ESPN hasn’t seen fit to give it a headline on its Web site.
The PFT headline reads “Reggie McKenzie will have the power to fire Hue Jackson” . . . of course he does. McKenzie doesn’t take the job otherwise. He has been a candidate for GM before and it was a matter of time before he got hired. There’s no way he accepts any job without the ability to hire and/or fire his coach.
The fact is, once McKenzie came aboard, Jackson was essentially re-interviewing for the job he got a year ago. While GMs like the idea of hiring their own guy, don’t discount the fact that Jackson has some distinct advantages over an outside candidate and McKenzie knows it. He’s passionate about the organization, knows the roster and already has been implementing a system of offense for the past two years.
He already started the process of rebuilding it for Carson Palmer, who will be the quarterback for the foreseeable future.
It’s just as easy to speculate Jackson will be retained as it is to assume he’ll be dismissed. He’s got one of 32 NFL head coaching jobs, and it’s not like he’ll be in great demand for another if he butts heads with McKenzie over power. It’s more likely he’ll get on board with McKenzie and relish the opportunity to coach the team and work with someone who will rebuild the infrastructure of the organization.
Bottom line is it’s McKenzie’s call, but a lot of this is up to Jackson and his willingness to work with the general manager rather than feel he has been stripped of power. Following the Green Bay model, McKenzie will stay out of Jackson’s way when it comes to on-field stuff. Mike McCarthy has input with the Packers but ultimately it’s Ted Thompson’s call when it comes to player acquisition, the draft, contracts, etc.
As much as Jackson was willing to take on more within the organization, as he said following the season-ending loss to the Chargers, the McKenzie hiring could be the best thing that could have happened for his career. It’d be better for the organization if McKenzie gives Jackson at least a year to maintain a semblance of continuity unless he thinks they simply can’t work together.
BROWN A FINALIST
Will the third time be a charm for Hall of Fame finalist Tim Brown?
The guess here is no, simply because from what I’ve gleaned from talking to people involved in that process is that numbers for wide receivers don’t carry enough weight because the game changed so dramatically to favor the pass. Without a signature moment in a Super Bowl or having played for more winning teams, it’ll be a tough go for Brown.
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January 7th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Fire his ass
January 7th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Just kidding. I don’t think Jackson will be fired immeidately. I think they will evaluate what he did and then fire him.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.
January 7th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
MR,
Don’t forget to swith over, your handles, right now your The realist dirty racoon.
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Oops, I thought you were the real Raider Dell, my mistake, you must be one of those hack Trolls.!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
The spirit of Al Davis will live in the Raiders forever!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
People please, people please………………….
Get off the can/hire/fire Hue, Chuck, new coach, etc. et al
Aint nobody goin nowhere but back to work. Aint no HC/DC/OC/ASST goin nowhere but back to work.
Anybody honestly think the new GM is gonna release anyone???????? These are all Mr. Davis’ hires and letting them go would tarnish the last move of his legacy.
Everyone, EVERYONE stays on board for another season. Now maybe Saunders calls the offense, Chucky B is put on alert, Woodson and Biekert got to step it up and so on and so on.
We got a new GM and I’m sure the way management sees it, thats all we need. Plus clip a bit of Hues’ wings and we be ready to roll.
But aint no-one goin nowhere and makin Als’ last hirees look bad. Als’ last move as GM wont be treated like trash. You don’t toss his picks out like bagged up garbage. No way. Ain’t gonna fcking happen.
Al was the GM and it will remain with his picks for another season.
Get ova it!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
If Winston Moss is an current assistant head coach / inside linebackers coach would DC be a move up?
Think maybe Oakland brings in Moss as DC?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Aren’t the Bengals considered a 3-4 team?
I am seeing 4 guys with their hand on the ground more often than not.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
We will all find out by next week
January 7th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
The haters won’t let it happen but Tim Brown HoF on Feb 4th.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Not a good look for a QB when a team looks much better after your departure
January 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
To Sullivan44,
I want to thank you for your cool demeanor yesterday. You threw out no words of hurt, and responded well.
The words I speak of, retard or moron were not used and no cuss words also.
I thought you and I have crossed our first bridge to disagreeing with each other without the hurtful words in our comments.
I would like your opinion on a few questions I pose to You.
The first question is, since I’ve been on this blog for 5 years and you have, you let it be known constantly,that you wished Davis had stepped down from the GM duties and hired someone else. You presented his record over and over so It must of bothered you.
My first Question then is, are you pleased with Mckenzie as the GM pick, or did you want someone else.
Second Question, what would you expect Mckenzie to do first as the GM. I mean restructer the office, hire more football related people or gut some of the existing employees.
Third question, should Hugh stay and if he does, will Hugh get to select his own coaches, for offense and defense.
My fourth question, how would you grade Mckenzie as a GM, strictly on wins and losses, draft or overall football operations, et al, draft, FA signings, cap and style of team.
I would hope you would answer, with a detailed comment back, I know you like to keep comments short so break it down for me and do this over time as you have a chance to think it over.
Thanks, Dell.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Bengals DC Zimmer is traditionally a 4-3 guy. I like their defense a lot, fun to watch.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
granitobiusticor Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
People please, people please………………….
Get off the can/hire/fire Hue, Chuck, new coach, etc. et al
Aint nobody goin nowhere but back to work. Aint no HC/DC/OC/ASST goin nowhere but back to work.
Anybody honestly think the new GM is gonna release anyone????????
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Funny, considering that Bresnahan, Biekert, Woodson and Ross are already clearing out their offices as we speak.
Amusing post, though.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
“Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Lance Kiffen
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Agreed”
One slight adjustment
Sullivan = John Wayne Gacy that has not been caught yet
January 7th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
OOOHHHHHHHHH HELLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL YESSSSSSSSSSS!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!
SHOW ME THE MONEY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
JUST WIN BABY!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
“Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.”
I know I saw it last night when it happened and fell on the floor laughing.
We all knew what he was up to but to have him slip up like that was GOLDEN!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Now Reggie and Hue can form a strong team to get this Raiders football to the next level! For those of you not onboard with Hue remaining as head coach. You jump off the bandwagon now.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
BROWN A FINALIST
Will the third time be a charm for Hall of Fame finalist Tim Brown?
“The guess here is no, simply because from what I’ve gleaned from talking to people involved in that process is that numbers for wide receivers don’t carry enough weight because the game changed so dramatically to favor the pass. Without a signature moment in a Super Bowl or having played for more winning teams, it’ll be a tough go for Brown.”
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Interesting. Then with HOF voters feeling that way regarding Brown not getting in yet.
Then can someone please tell me how the heck CLIFF BRANCH is NOT in the HOF?
Branch has better overall numbers/stats than HOFamer John Stallworth AND Branch has 3 Super Bowl rings!
WTF?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Slow the ditch Hue thing gentleman. I say as long as he understands who’s the boss he should get another year
January 7th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
BROWN A FINALIST
Will the third time be a charm for Hall of Fame finalist Tim Brown?
“The guess here is no, simply because from what I’ve gleaned from talking to people involved in that process is that numbers for wide receivers don’t carry enough weight because the game changed so dramatically to favor the pass. Without a signature moment in a Super Bowl or having played for more winning teams, it’ll be a tough go for Brown.”
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Interesting. Then with HOF voters feeling that way regarding Brown not getting in yet.
Then can someone please tell me how the heck CLIFF BRANCH is NOT in the HOF?
Branch has better overall numbers/stats than HOFamer John Stallworth AND Branch has 3 Super Bowl rings!
WTF??
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
What a sad and pathetic life MR must lead if he has to resort to creating make believe blog friends.
Almost makes me feel sorry for the poor little guy….Almost!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I have a question thats a little off topic. Where did this rumor start about Huff moving to cornerback? I remember seeing a qoute from Huff saying something about it but I thought he was just bsing with these beatwriters, Huff likes to make jokes. Did Hue mention this are something?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Now Reggie and Hue can form a strong team to get this Raiders football to the next level! For those of you not onboard with Hue remaining as head coach. You can jump off the bandwagon now.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/football-oakland-raiders/news/Sources-Jackson-to-remain-Raiders-head-c?blockID=626814&feedID=2801
Sources: Hue to remain Raiders Coach!
According to three sources close to the team, Raiders General Manager Reggie McKenzie will be keeping Hue Jackson as the head coach of the Oakland Raiders in 2012.
My sources said it’s ridiculous to think the new Raiders GM will fire Hue Jackson this year.
One of the sources said, “Reggie McKenzie and Hue Jackson are joined at the hip. They are proud to be on the same team. Hue is delighted he can now focus on what he does best, which is coach. Reggie and Hue have the same Sports Agent, Ken McGuire, to think there’s a riff between these guys is simply ridiculous.”
I’ve learned that McKenzie and Jackson are very good friends who see eye to eye on the changes the Oakland Raiders need to make to become a Super Bowl contender.
There are national reports that state McKenzie may consider replacing coach Hue Jackson. I’m not here to argue with other reporters, I just want to let our CSN viewers and readers know what I’m hearing. I realize you can’t always trust your source, but in this case, I’m positive Hue Jackson is here to stay. He will remain the head coach of the Oakland Raiders for the 2012 season, and most likely, much longer.
The Raiders will introduce Reggie McKenzie as their new GM, during a press conference at 2pm Tuesday. You can watch the press conference on Comcast SportsNet California and csncalifornia.com.
Read more: Sources: Jackson to remain Raiders head coach
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I have a question thats a little off topic. Where did this rumor start about Huff moving to cornerback? I remember seeing a qoute from Huff saying something about it but I thought he was just bsing with these beatwriters, Huff likes to make jokes. Did Hue mention this are something?
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Corkran reported it as the truth, which is a little weird considering we don’t even know who the DC will be…
January 7th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SNB666
I’m listening to Brody Buster, heard of him. He was a favorite at BB King’s blues club.
He’s remarkable, started at the age of eight, and plays a mean harmonica.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DKnight007 ……
It’s been said far too many times on this site.Branch,Plunkett,Guy and Flores should all be in the HoF.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
In the end, McKenzie did take the Raiders job. But Eliot Wolf won’t be going anywhere.
Bob McGinn of the Milwaukee Journal-Sentinel reports that Eliot Wolf will remain in Green Bay. He’s expected to become the Packers’ next head of pro personnel.
So in the end, Ron Wolf’s recommendation of McKenzie did help his son out. It was just a little more indirect than expected.
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Shame
January 7th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Just read on yahoo that Mr. Raider, Tim Brown is a finalist; he is one step closer to the hall of fame.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
sounds like we can scratch Romeo Crennel off the DC short list,espn’s Schefter reporting Crennel will be the HC for Kansas City.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
sounds like we can scratch Romeo Crennel off the DC short list,espn’s Schefter reporting Crennel will be the HC for Kansas City.
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There’s a good chance that instead of going for the sexy hire with the big name for DC, Reggie Mac will pick some super-competent position coach that none of us has ever heard of. Nothing wrong with that, either.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
“SNB666
I’m listening to Brody Buster, heard of him. He was a favorite at BB King’s blues club.
He’s remarkable, started at the age of eight, and plays a mean harmonica.”
Listening to him now on youtube very nice!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
“SNB666
I’m listening to Brody Buster, heard of him. He was a favorite at BB King’s blues club.
He’s remarkable, started at the age of eight, and plays a mean harmonica.”
Listening to him now on youtube very nice!
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When I first heard Brody, thought he was Paul Butterfield or Junior Wells, just remarkable, to learn and start at a young age.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Cant wait for the DC pick,should be fun.RAIDERS!ps,Finally a GM,something many of us have wanted,for years.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Its been nice and peaceful here on the blog since Sandusky44 outed himself and is scared to come back.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
27.neilb Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
DKnight007 ……
It’s been said far too many times on this site.Branch,Plunkett,Guy and Flores should all be in the HoF.
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Yeah, it’s crazy how those Raider greats and even Stabler and Lester Hayes, are not in the HOF, but guys like Andre Reed, Jerome Bettis and Chris Carter are ahead of them in the pecking order??
WTF? The NFL needs a HOF Committee of living HOF players and coaches to be voting on who gets in and who does not.
Football writers who have a HOF vote should have their voting privileges REVOKED!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Not sure if JFB or Plunketthead are around . . .
http://football.fantasysports.yahoo.com/bowl/304203
Looks like I am going to win the College Bowl Pick ‘em. It’s mathematically impossible for anybody to catch me with the last two games now. My secret: Pick Big 12 and midwest teams against the east and left coast conferences . . . almost every time it worked. LOL
Hope my “Huebris One and Done” name lives up to its billing.
See you guys in about a week. Off to Jamaica. Irie mon!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
31.RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
sounds like we can scratch Romeo Crennel off the DC short list,espn’s Schefter reporting Crennel will be the HC for Kansas City.
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There’s a good chance that instead of going for the sexy hire with the big name for DC, Reggie Mac will pick some super-competent position coach that none of us has ever heard of. Nothing wrong with that, either.
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Maybe Packers DLine coach Trgovac or Raven LB coach and former Pats DC Dean Pees?
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Tommy Castro playing Jan 14 Redwood City at Club Fox. I probably will go to meet some friends. Long drive, but well worth the time.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
If any of you are watching Cinn/Hou. did you see the difference Wade Phillips has made to the Texan’s defense this year?That is exactly what we need done.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
40.lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
If any of you are watching Cinn/Hou. did you see the difference Wade Phillips has made to the Texan’s defense this year?That is exactly what we need done.
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We need the pieces and the right DC to get it done though.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I could be wrong but I’m sure that Jerry Mac said (a while back) that Nancy Gay is one of the HoF selectors……and she hates us.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
As for the Hall of Fame:
Branch should be in.
Brown will eventually get in, but it’ll probably the old-timers committee that does it.
Guy should definitely be in.
Tatum would be in, if not for the Stingley hit.
Plunkett should not be in. He was a mediocre regular-season QB who really turned it on for the playoffs, and especially the Super Bowl. It’s telling that after his first few years in New England, every team he played for was always looking to replace him, including us: that’s what the Marc Wilson pick was.
Flores won two Super Bowls but had a mediocre coaching career after the mid-80s, particularly with the Seahawks. He’s marginal, at best.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
It’s beyond me that Florres an Plunkett aren’t in the Hall. That’s some serious messed up stuff right there.
Not to mention Shane or Jano being snubbed for All Pro honors. You have to be kidding me.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Blog Brahs, the Reggae Party Boat is packed with babes, frozen jalapeno poppers and 30 gallons of my secret margarita mix.
It’s off to San Diego to party serious while my weiner gets the VIP Treatment from a couple of Spearmint Rhino ladies.
That’s what’s “up”, if you know what I am talking about. Get it, I’m sporting wood.
Anyway, I’m toking the first of many doobies packed with special skunk weed from my 1st mate, Rover. Homeboy knows what up, whut whut
CHECK YO SELF BEFORE YOU INFECT YO SELF TO WIZZ
January 7th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Lefty12 Says:
If any of you are watching Cinn/Hou. did you see the difference Wade Phillips has made to the Texan’s defense this year?That is exactly what we need done.
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Also seeing the difference it makes for the Bengals to have a QB that doesn’t throw to the other team.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
neilb Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
I could be wrong but I’m sure that Jerry Mac said (a while back) that Nancy Gay is one of the HoF selectors……and she hates us.
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Remember when she wrote how new coach Kiffin was going to cut Sapp immediately? LOL
Paul Zimmerman’s no longer a HoF voter (how could he be?) but he wrote a big column once upon a time saying he would always oppose Tatum’s candidacy, because he believed Tatum’s hit on Stingley was dirty.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Florres was the first minority head coach in the NFL AND won 2 super bowls?! Such a joke.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“Tommy Castro playing Jan 14 Redwood City at Club Fox. ”
I used to play with Tommy in San Mateo at Vibes in the 90’s…I should go
January 7th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I’d have to say that a coach or QB with 2 rings deserve a shot at being in the Hall.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Stabler,Branch,Hayes and Guy are the most deserving as players.Flores is the only coach with 2 SB wins not in,but many will try and say there is no bias against former Raiders which is absolutely absurd!
January 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
If any of you are watching Cinn/Hou. did you see the difference Wade Phillips has made to the Texan’s defense this year?That is exactly what we need done.
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Lefty,
You’re a better man than i. I just can’t watch the playoffs. Still mad. You know tomorrow I would be at O.co watch Raiders against Pitt, not to be.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Zimmerman.That’s another sob.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Flores is hardly the only coach with two rings not in the Hall. Parcells isn’t in (although he may get in this year), and neither are Jimmy Johnson or George Seifert.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised to start seeing some of the guys being inducted soon sine Al’s passing. It’s almost like they were holding them out just to spite him.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I’d have to say that a coach or QB with 2 rings deserve a shot at being in the Hall.
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What am I saying ? Branch has 3 rings! Freaking shame on you nfl.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Triple 6 my band does a few Santana covers but we mostly stick to sweet party jams that keep the ladies loose.
I always like to throw in some reggae stylings into my drumbeats so the babes want to roll up and toke up.
And you KNOW there’s always a pack of Magnums in my headband.
Where’s KrappyKell when you need him? My Reggae Party Boat is short one servant/man child and these shrimp cocktails sure ain’t gonna serve themselves.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Only someone who harbors dislike towards him would blame the QB for loses when the defense doesn’t stop the oppositions offense more than 1 time during a game.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Keeping Hue would be the smart decision.
Reggie should give Hue two pieces of advice
• “First, decide whether you want to be the Head Coach or the Offensive Coordinator and then act accordingly. You can’t be both!”
• ” Secondly, go find the best 3-4 defensive coordinator and defensive assistants you need & I’ll help you get them on-board”.
Then they can discuss what personnel this team needs to win the SB and Reggie will go get them for Hue. Together, they will see this team return to it’s dominant position in the league.
January 7th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
BTW,I believe Cinn. defense also improved into one of the top defenses this year.Give the Raiders either defense playing today and we would be SB contenders-especially with the QB who might throw one to the other team once and a while.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Guess Cinci does still have a QB that throws it to the other team…but, that was a heck of a play by 99 onthe Houston D.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
You jinxed them Texas
January 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Haha, and Dalton throws it to the other team for a pick 6 after I say that. But funny karma sh!t there.
For real off to catch my flight now. Laters
January 7th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
57.Master Beeecham Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Triple 6 my band does a few Santana covers but we mostly stick to sweet party jams that keep the ladies loose.
I always like to throw in some reggae stylings into my drumbeats so the babes want to roll up and toke up.
And you KNOW there’s always a pack of Magnums in my headband.
Where’s KrappyKell when you need him? My Reggae Party Boat is short one servant/man child and these shrimp cocktails sure ain’t gonna serve themselves.
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Nice….I’m down with any band who keeps the loose beats going to keep ladies wet and adding in some reggae grooves!
Yeah, sounds like a party!
January 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Dell,last week was disappointing but when you look at the season as a whole we didn’t deserve to be playing beyond last week.The defense,or lack thereof,we played was beyond belief.Even the games we won the defense tried to give away in the 2nd halves.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
We need some killers on D. Currently we have jay walkers. Go out and get some boar hunting LBs and some assassin D lineman. The secondary, jeez don’t even know where to start. Just clean the f-in house.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
All we needed was just an average D and we would have beat the Steelers here on our home field in the playoffs.
Damn.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
59.JB Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Keeping Hue would be the smart decision.
Reggie should give Hue two pieces of advice
• “First, decide whether you want to be the Head Coach or the Offensive Coordinator and then act accordingly. You can’t be both!”
• ” Secondly, go find the best 3-4 defensive coordinator and defensive assistants you need & I’ll help you get them on-board”.
Then they can discuss what personnel this team needs to win the SB and Reggie will go get them for Hue. Together, they will see this team return to it’s dominant position in the league.
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I disagree with your first comment, Greenbays headcoach does both, and I remember reading awhile back GMs love to have a Headcoach that calls plays
January 7th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
If any of you are watching Cinn/Hou. did you see the difference Wade Phillips has made to the Texan’s defense this year?That is exactly what we need done.
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Houston has playmakers on the field….and are missing Mario Williams.
Raiders have a bunch of overpaid over the hill types and a bunch of undisciplined youngsters.
The defense is junk and will require an overhaul in both coaching AND talent
January 7th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
65.lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Dell,last week was disappointing but when you look at the season as a whole we didn’t deserve to be playing beyond last week.The defense,or lack thereof,we played was beyond belief.Even the games we won the defense tried to give away in the 2nd halves.
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EXACTLY!
The Defense tried to give the games away that they ended up winning! Ugh.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Is it the players or the coordinators?If you look at Cinn. and Hou. the later would seem to be the case.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I am pretty sure old Krappy Kell is getting his daily sponge bath administered by his homosexual male nurse.
I feel sorry for the nurse old Krappy overdosed on Metamucil last week so now no need for his monthly enema he was spackleing the floors of the old folks home with his runny feces.
He has not been playing well with the other senile old people during arts and crafts he rambles on about Al Davis how popular he is on the blog
January 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
JJ Watt, Conner Barwin, DeMarco Ryans, Cushing, Williams, Jospeh….etc.
The Raiders don’t have 1 player on the roster that could start on that team
January 7th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
BROWN A FINALIST
Will the third time be a charm for Hall of Fame finalist Tim Brown?
The guess here is no, simply because from what I’ve gleaned from talking to people involved in that process is that numbers for wide receivers don’t carry enough weight because the game changed so dramatically to favor the pass. Without a signature moment in a Super Bowl or having played for more winning teams, it’ll be a tough go for Brown.
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This is a joke. Brown was one of the top 2 receivers of his generation, after only the guy who many consider to be the best player of all time.
Other than a few exceptions such as the Bills K-Gun and some run n’ shoot teams, the passing numbers didn’t explode until the very end of Brown’s career.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
73.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
JJ Watt, Conner Barwin, DeMarco Ryans, Cushing, Williams, Jospeh….etc.
The Raiders don’t have 1 player on the roster that could start on that team
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I think DQwell Jackson from Browns and Jarret Johnson from Ravens are FA’s.
Raiders need to add those two players if they can.
Anyone else can find a list of potential free agents on DEFENSE this year?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Reggie – “So you renewed your gun registration and that same day you allegedly pulled it to someone’s head and fired it off to the side?”
McClain – ” Uhhh, my mom says I play well”
Reggie – “Your services are no longer needed here.”
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
C’MON MAN, are Defense stinks but we have some players, Branch, Kelly, Seymour, Shonasty etc
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
59.JB Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Keeping Hue would be the smart decision.
Reggie should give Hue two pieces of advice
• “First, decide whether you want to be the Head Coach or the Offensive Coordinator and then act accordingly. You can’t be both!”
• ” Secondly, go find the best 3-4 defensive coordinator and defensive assistants you need & I’ll help you get them on-board”.
Then they can discuss what personnel this team needs to win the SB and Reggie will go get them for Hue. Together, they will see this team return to it’s dominant position in the league.
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I disagree with your first comment, Greenbays headcoach does both, and I remember reading awhile back GMs love to have a Headcoach that calls plays
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Yeah. Hue should definitely still call the plays. One of his greatest strengths, IMO.
You guys are all overthinking this. All we need to do is hire a legit, top-flight defensive coordinator and give him control and accountability for that side of the ball. That’s it.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
DKnizzle the Reggae Party Boast leaves Marina Del Rey in 20 mins and will be docking at the Catamaran Resort down Mission Beach way
I’ll probably have a 3-way with these two strippers in the suite, get an acupressure massage, then go get loose at Winston’s.
Cruise down if you want to party serious, I’ll probably sit in with Naked Funk tonight and lay down my dope island beats and pound some frozen daiquiris until the break o dawn.
CHANEL ISLAND P FUNK FIZZLE IN THE DIZZLE
January 7th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
C’MON MAN, are Defense stinks but we have some players, Branch, Kelly, Seymour, Shonasty etc
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Shaughnessy and Branch are ok….
Kelly should have been walked to the door with Terdell Sands…..Seymour just got too old…
January 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
C’MON MAN, are Defense stinks but we have some players, Branch, Kelly, Seymour, Shonasty etc
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I agree. I think the defensive issues this year were more the result of coaching. Specifically, scheme, discipline and effort. Between inconsistent effort and lack of discipline that accounted for many of the big plays we gave up. Which was really the Achilles heel of this team.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
C’MON MAN, are Defense stinks but we have some players, Branch, Kelly, Seymour, Shonasty etc
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I agree. I think the defensive issues this year were more the result of coaching. Specifically, scheme, discipline and effort. Between inconsistent effort and lack of discipline that accounted for many of the big plays we gave up. Which was really the Achilles heel of this team.
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Good players are disciplined, bring effort and are consistent.
Teh rest miss one or more of the above
January 7th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I’ll agree with Davis in so much that players have to make plays.
THere is not ONE playmaker on that defense.
Reggie will sort it out soon enough and these scholarship players will be put on the road
January 7th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
I don’t agree that our defensive players are all bums.Give them a DC who knows what he is doing,add a couple of pieces, and we could be avg. at worst which would be good enough to get this team into and winning in the play-offs.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I might be in the minority but I like Kelly, heck I even like Houston, and I think Curry could be really good with better coaching, I will even throw ol’ Wimbley in there, but Im a fan so I look for the best in all the players even though I know that most of them have there flaws
January 7th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I don’t think Kelly and Seymour are the problem. I know everyone pins it on them, but I think Seymour, who was off to a phenomenal start through the first 5 or 6 games before getting hurt and Kelly, who I believe leads the NFL in sacks by a DT over the last two years, are OK.
I think the problem with the d-line was the sometimes non-existant edge rush at times. Probably largely due to the fact that we often had 4 DTs lined up — Bryant-TK-Seymour-Houston — and not a dominant defensive end.
I blame the run D troubles on both the aforementioned inconsistent effort and lack of discipline by the team as a whole, as well as McClain.
If we stick with a 4-3 next season there is absolutely no reason to keep Rolando McClain on the roster. Guy is garbage as an MLB. He may be OK in a 3-4 where he doesn’t have as much ground to cover. But I would not be at all sad to see him go, especially if we could get any kind of pick in return (probably looking at a 5th round type pick value).
January 7th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
the Achilles heel of this team.
82.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
C’MON MAN, are Defense stinks but we have some players, Branch, Kelly, Seymour, Shonasty etc
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I agree. I think the defensive issues this year were more the result of coaching. Specifically, scheme, discipline and effort. Between inconsistent effort and lack of discipline that accounted for many of the big plays we gave up. Which was really the Achilles heel of this team.
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Good players are disciplined, bring effort and are consistent.
Teh rest miss one or more of the above
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True, but unless you have Ray Lewis as your defensive captain you usually need a coach who makes sure this happens and holds guys accountable.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Coach up Wimbley and Houston. Moss was a find along with Curry. Branch has improved. And Shonasty will return.
Blow up the rest.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Raider Defense is like Congress…nobody likes Congress but everyone loves their congressman…well for the Raiders…no one loves the defense…but they love the players.
These guys have been beee esssin for the last few years.
Not a playmaker among them.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Reggie – “So you renewed your gun registration and that same day you allegedly pulled it to someone’s head and fired it off to the side?”
McClain – “Uhhh, Yeah…”
Reggie – “And then when the police came, you started mugging at the camera like an idiot?”
McClain – “Uhhh, my mom says I play well”
Reggie – “Would you like to be the next Junior Seau or the next Rae Carruth? Choice is yours, chump.”
January 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
A big part of the problem has been accountability-it has been non-existent.Hopefully,those days are over.If a guy isn’t carrying his weight he needs to pay.In the past they didn’t and the problem just continued.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Yet the Raiders defense is one of the highest paid.
Houston – Just a guy but young
Kelly – All pass rush…no run d
Seymour – Same as Kelly except disappears for weeks
Shaughnessy – Put together a few good games
Wimbley – Useless
McClain – Useless
Curry – Had a couple of decent games….had some misses too
Routt – I guess the refs are picking on him…leads the league in penalties
Branch – He is good player
Huff – Just a guy
LCB – Raiders don’t have a cornerback opposite Routt
I don’t think the opponent even gameplans for any one player…..like I said…not a playmaker among them…
But a lot of big checks
January 7th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
A big part of the problem has been accountability-it has been non-existent.Hopefully,those days are over.If a guy isn’t carrying his weight he needs to pay.In the past they didn’t and the problem just continued.
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Yup. Green Bay didn’t get to the cusp of consecutive Super Bowl wins by carrying a lot of overrated speed freaks who kissed up to the owner. Reggie will put a stop to that immediately.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RaiderDuck,
No one on this team really steps up and breaks out. Some of that is coaching, talent to be sure.
But other than a fast start from DMAC to start the year…just a bunch of guys.
Moore shows promise, DHB had a few games…but these players need to take it to another gear.
Going into 3rd and 4th years etc…time to bring it
January 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
looks like Hue is out and Moss is in, what a shocker
January 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
per Herm Edwards
January 7th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
looks like Hue is out and Moss is in, what a shocker
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Link, please.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
It was a tweet from Corky
January 7th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Hue out, Winston Moss in. Per Herm Edwards. #ESPN
January 7th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I wonder how many here thought Thomas howard was going to the Playoffs
January 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Before you throw RoMac out for a 5th round pick (which would be a dumb thing to do), let’s switch to a 3-4 and see how he does there. At MLB he’s out of position. He’s a 3-4 ILB – that’s what he knows. Yes I know we need a starting NT but we can get one or two in FA. Seymour is also playing out of position. He is a 3-4 DE. Bryant can also play a 3-4 DE. Houston & Kelly are a 3 type DT. Wimbley should be a 4-3 DE or a 3-4 blitzing OLB. Cury can pair with Romac (coverage) as 3-4 ILB (Blitzer). We do need help at CB & Safety.
Reggie will get it all figured out & Hue will get to bring in a new defensive coordinator & assistants.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
They won’t announce anything until the Packers are done. Right?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
If moss is in, do we keep Saunders?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
They couldn’t cut McClain if they wanted to. That would be a huge cap hit. Have to see what he brings in year 3. After that, it’s up in the air.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Wonder if Hue put his azz on the line with the Palmer trade?
Maybe he assured Mark Davis the playoffs he pulled trigger on Palmer?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Yo any of you blog nerds know how to get daiquiri stains out of a tweed jacket?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
sorry don;’t know what happened there. Couldn’t keep our guys on the damb field
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
It sounds like this might be a little premature, I wouldn’t take it to the bank, Fking twitter
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Packers asst. coach Winston Moss being mentioned as possible coaching replacment for Hue Jackson. If anything, defensive coordinator.
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I mentioned this earlier. If Moss comes in as DC then Hue would be on notice.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
102. Offical press conference Tuesday. GB will cut him early
January 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
110. Thats right. Like Hue was with Cable
January 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Yo any of you blog nerds know how to get daiquiri stains out of a tweed jacket?
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scissors
January 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
110. Thats right. Like Hue was with Cable
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yup! I posted the same thing a few hours ago
January 7th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
ricoj175 Rico Johnson
by CorkOnTheNFL
@ @_RobertKeith_ @vittoriotafur @CorkOnTheNFL this is according to some random dude who claims he works out at the same gym as herm. Really??
January 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
HOF Lefty, you left out Tim Brown who played with poor QBs most of his career and did not even play WR his 1st two years, he was primarily a kick and punt returner. Then he had to reinvent his game after a wrecking a knee on a kickoff return (thanks Art Shell). He burned Deion Sanders one game for 12 catches, 188 yds can’t remember if he scored. I would put him ahead of Cliff Branch
January 7th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
maybe they will do the same thing as they did with Hue… Hue had a year as OC, then Cable was shown the door..
Maybe they will make Winston Moss, DC assistant HC for a year?!?!
January 7th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Post 116
I was thinking the same thing
January 7th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
btw, guys, Eliot Wolf wont join us, he’ll stay in GB
January 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Is Moss ready to run a DEF I know he has Head Coach aspirations but I don’t know that he was ever the DEF coor in Green Bay.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
GB wont let Moss interview for the DC pos.
Herm Edwards, Hmm…
January 7th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Wait, GB let Moss go this week?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Is Moss ready to run a DEF I know he has Head Coach aspirations but I don’t know that he was ever the DEF coor in Green Bay.
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Nope. He is LBs Coach
January 7th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Where is Herm talking all this sh!t?
Is he on ESPN right now?
January 7th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Even if Moss comes over, no way he leaves GB during the freaking playoffs. We’ll see him AFTER they’re done.
McKenzie left right away, but what need do you have for a personnel guy while you’re in the playoffs? It’s not like you’re going to sign or trade anybody. Even if the need does pop up to sign an FA due to injury, I’m sure he left a list with Thompson on his way out the door.
NE let O’Brien go because McDaniels knows the offense and was ready to step right in. Moss doesn’t really have an equivalent like that.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Cork you better not retweet garbage like that, I thought I could trust your tweets man.
January 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I thought teams couldn’t stop coaches from getting better positions-ie. LB coach to DC,DC to HC,they could only stop lateral moves?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
It sounds like it was some fool that claims he works out at the same gym as Herm are some ish
January 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
we will know soon enough next week
January 7th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I thought teams couldn’t stop coaches from getting better positions-ie. LB coach to DC,DC to HC,they could only stop lateral moves?
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That USED to be the rule. Now, the rule is that teams can’t block assistants for leaving for HC positions, or if the assistants have it in their contracts that they can leave whenever they want. Otherwise, teams can block all day long. For instance, when we got Rob Ryan as Defensive Coordinator, it was only because Baltimore denied us permission to speak with Rex.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
JERRY MCD!
LMFAO!
That’s beautiful man!
How to write a column when there’s nothing to say!
On top of that, it’s really well written.
You’re good Jerry–or Jer as Al used to call you.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
So the Texans went out and got them a 6′3 289lb NT to anchor their 3-4, eh?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I should of known this was BS when I saw Herm was reporting it, Thats not what Herm does. Fking twitter BS
January 7th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Hue has to maybe re-interview?
Well, why not?
Despite what Hue thinks, the General Manager hires the head coach not the reverse.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I’m feeling good right since I bet on Houston.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I thought teams couldn’t stop coaches from getting better positions-ie. LB coach to DC,DC to HC,they could only stop lateral moves?
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thats how it is, so you thought right!
in other words we CAN make him DC, but then he still needs to be assistant HC.. (in GB Moss is LB coach AND Assistants HC)
January 7th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
“I should of known” what does that mean?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
I thought teams couldn’t stop coaches from getting better positions-ie. LB coach to DC,DC to HC,they could only stop lateral moves?
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thats how it is, so you thought right!
in other words we CAN make him DC, but then he still needs to be assistant HC.. (in GB Moss is LB coach AND Assistants HC)
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Nope. As long as it’s not for an HC position, Green Bay can still block it (unless Moss has it in his contract that he can leave).
That’s not to say that they WILL block it, just that they can.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
LMN,I was wrong.I looked up the rules.We need permission to talk to him about the DC job.The league doesn’t differentiate between asst. coaching titles.A LB coach is in the same category as a DC.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
114. Niiice!~ Good job fellow raider.
I could sit here and say HUE JACKSON WILL BE FIRED and have a 50% chance of being right.
Media speculation is what you get when beacher report and any random blogger can call himself a journalist or a source.
Ridiculous.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
138. Position cannot be back ward or a lateral move but team can;t block an upward inquiry
January 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
No doubt they can block it just like those fking Jets blocked there DB coach from coming here to be DC last year.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Man, we sure are lucky to have Steve and Jerry
January 7th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
138. Position cannot be back ward or a lateral move but team can’t block an upward inquiry
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Yes they can, UNLESS it’s for an HC position. They often don’t (so as not to alienate their assistants) but they can.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Yes they can.All assistants whether a position coach or a coordinator are equal according to the league rules.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Yo any of you blog nerds know how to get daiquiri stains out of a tweed jacket?
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scissors
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Alcohol. And a match. Works perfectly.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Yo any of you blog nerds know how to get daiquiri stains out of a tweed jacket?
….
scissors
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Alcohol. And a match. Works perfectly.
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Hie yourself down to Wal-Mart, and get some Spray & Wash Stain Stick. Rub liberally over both sides of the fabric, then wait two or three days before washing in COLD water. Make sure the stain is gone before you dry it.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I highly doubt that they would block Moss from coming here to be the DC though, with the relationship between our new GM and GB
January 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
raiderduck..
hmm well you seem to right there, but there is a but! if Moss isnt under contract after the season is over, even if GB has the option to prolong his contract they cant hold him, another thing, Moss has been to interviews with the raiders before, so I dont think GB would deny him the opportunity
here are the rules..
Promotions
The NFL does not differentiate between levels of assistant coaches in its rules regarding their availability to interview with other teams. Whether the coach is a defensive line coach or an offensive coordinator, the rules are the same. If a team wishes to interview an assistant coach who is still under contract with another team for its head coaching position, the current team is required to give permission for the interview as long as it happens between the end of the team’s season and March 1. After March 1, teams can still ask, but the current team is not obligated to give permission.
Lateral Move
An NFL team cannot interview an assistant coach who is under contract as an assistant with another team for the following season without the permission of his current organization. Teams will usually give permission upon request, particularly if a lower level coach is set to take an offensive or defensive coordinator position elsewhere, but the current team is not required to give permission.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I highly doubt that they would block Moss from coming here to be the DC though, with the relationship between our new GM and GB
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True. Again, nobody’s saying they WILL block such a move, just that they can.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
We finally have a real GM and a real QB. Things are looking up. And yes, I’m talking about Palmer. The Campbell lovers can follow his new team.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Team can block any coaching move unless it’s to HC. Happened to us last year when Hue wanted Jets DBs coach Thurman for the Raiders DC position before we settled on Chuck B.
Teams aren’t usually such pricks though, holding their own coaches back from opportunities like that though.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
No way we bring in a defensive coach to be HC.
Last 2 sB winning teams have offensive coaches, Payton and McCarthy.
The offense is fine, period.
Hue just needs to understand he is the coach, let Reggie bring in the talent that fits Hue’s system.
Continuity in this league is superb important.
The 4 best teams have the same HC, same QB, and pretty much the same offense for years.
Again, fix that crappy Defense that Al built that gave up 433 points!!
This division is weak, any changes with our offense will set us back.
Shoot, we almost won the West with our Defense and penalty issues!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
We finally have a real GM and a real QB. Things are looking up. And yes, I’m talking about Palmer. The Campbell lovers can follow his new team.
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+1
I totally agree!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
That was well put Jerry….makes all the sense in the world. It is great to have a GM in the mix…finally!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Take note of Johnathan Joseph. That’s how you defend on the goal line.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
What do you guys think of tonight’s game. I was all over the Saints till I realized the line is 10.5. That seems like a crazy number.
Gonna ride with the Lions I guess just to have a rooting interest.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
10.5 just seems like too much, especially with the potential for a backdoor cover by the Lions, who can put up points. Tricky though, fully expect the Saints to win, but by 11+? That’s asking alot.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Take note of Johnathan Joseph. That’s how you defend on the goal line.
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Yup…difference between flashing once in a while….and pro-bowler making plays in the playoffs.
Routt needs to bring that contract down or move him on
January 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Offense was just ok….17th in the league in scoring.
Hardly amazing
January 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
If anyone is watching this game you can tell good defensive teams are not about their base defenses. The texans were in 3-4, 4-3, 4-1-6, all types of formations
January 7th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Routt makes the same plays Joseph and other DBs make and gets flags.For some reason he is unfairly targeted by the refs.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
151.Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Team can block any coaching move unless it’s to HC. Happened to us last year when Hue wanted Jets DBs coach Thurman for the Raiders DC position before we settled on Chuck B.
Teams aren’t usually such pricks though, holding their own coaches back from opportunities like that though.
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Pretty sure Thurman’s contract is up with the Jets. He could be in play, although my money’s on someone from the GB staff.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
If Huebert is part of the dais at the presser on Tuesday, does he refer to McKenzie as “Reg”, “Coach”, or “Son”???…..
January 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Chris In NY
I took the over 59
January 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
ArtilleryShell Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Is Moss ready to run a DEF I know he has Head Coach aspirations but I don’t know that he was ever the DEF coor in Green Bay.
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Nope. He is LBs Coach
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Madden was the Raiders LB coach when he was promoted to HC.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
This team is not winning football games and its fan base’s most used words are “woulda, coulda, shoulda”
Al Davis received a lot of flack for sure, much of it deserved…and the scheme can be critiqued.
But damn….you can’t make a stop ever! And no one on the coaching staff or building can even diagnose a quick fix to get to stupid?
I am absolutely cool with ANY changes the GM makes.
Including the so-called top tier players on the team..and that includes the QB.
If McKenzie thinks blowing the whole thing up is the answer…I’ll stand by that decision.
At some point people on the field and on the sideline have to make a play.
The 2011 Raiders as a team proved incompetent….from Coach, to QB to 52nd player.
Make plays…or get someone who can
January 7th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Of course the offense took a step back.
Injuries to. Dmac, Ford, and Dmoore, reall hurt.
Brining in Carson took sometime to look good plus The run game stopped after Minnesota.
We need to keep Hue and give this offense some time. We all saw glimpses of what this team will be, even without Dmac.
Now our GM can air out the “stink” of Al and the penalty issues, we can finally attract a good D coordinator and some top notch players.
Brining in Moss, a defensive coach makes no sense. Bring him in as D coordinator, fix the D, then if we don’t make the playoffs, HieJax will be on the hot seat.
He needs 1 year, this division is ripe for us to dominate!!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
I smell an upset in the bayou.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Offense was just ok….17th in the league in scoring.
Hardly amazing
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We scored more points last year under Cable. With a worse offense.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Meanwhile, I see Dalton threw three picks. No, they don’t miss Carson at all…
January 7th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Meanwhile, I see Dalton threw three picks. No, they don’t miss Carson at all…
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Funny
January 7th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Meanwhile, I see Dalton threw three picks. No, they don’t miss Carson at all…
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Seriously?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
La Milicia Negra Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
We finally have a real GM and a real QB. Things are looking up. And yes, I’m talking about Palmer. The Campbell lovers can follow his new team.
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I totally agree!
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Same here. Look at Palmer’s and Campbell’s numbers for this year: pretty close.
Now realize that this was Campbell’s SECOND year with the offense, and he’d had two full offseasons and training camps with these receivers.
Palmer, on the other hand, came in cold after not playing for almost a year, and had to learn everything on the fly, all with DMAC out (they STILL have not been in uniform on the same field at the same time).
I’m looking forward to seeing what Carson can do next year.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Cincy is laughing all the way to draft.
I wonder what Carson Palmer would be worth right now in the trade market.
Is his value up since October or is it down?
January 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
That wasnt palmer playing for cincy? But he threw a pick 6!
January 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Chris In NY
I took the over 59
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I’m there with you, brutha. Went with Det +10.5 and the over (although I got it at 60). Very modest on both accounts. Not a game I’d probably touch if it were a full Sunday slate, but if I’m going to watch it with no other options I’d like to have a rooting interest.
Over 60 is a lot, but banking on not only the explosiveness of both offenses and the fact it’s in a dome, but the Lions secondary is really, really bad. Would be stunned if New Orleans doesn’t cruise to 30+ points in this one. This could be one of those 30-21 games at the half.
January 7th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
I’m kidding
January 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Of course we scored more last year, Dmac was healthy and we didn’t lose our starting QB during the season?
Most of you just became fans this year?
Morons…..
January 7th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
# 303Raider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Of course we scored more last year, Dmac was healthy and we didn’t lose our starting QB during the season?
Most of you just became fans this year?
Morons…..
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People don’t pay attention.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Offense was just ok….17th in the league in scoring.
Hardly amazing
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We scored more points last year under Cable. With a worse offense.
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Scored more points last year under Hue Jackson as offensive coordinator and playcaller with a healthy Darren McFadden for most of the season and no need to switch QBs mid-season with a guy trying to pick up the offense on the fly (who still did an admirable job, but still).
The previous season under Cable as head coach/playcaller we averaged less than half what we scored in 2010 and almost half of what we put up this year.
Bottom line: Cable handing the offense over to Hue resulted in a stratospheric improvement. The Raiders from last year to this year with no DMC and a mid-stream QB switch resulted in a very moderate decline.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Some of you act like we have been in the playoffs every year.
We have sucked and have lost 11 or more games since 2002, last 2 years 8-8.
Hue brought us back to respectability.
With all that went on, at least we had a chance in the last game.
Give hue 1 more year to prove himself, we are close, now with Reggie, really close….
January 7th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Through 6 games with McFadden this year, we had 160 points scored.
That’s about 27 ppg. Last year under Hue we averaged about 26 ppg.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Cincy is laughing all the way to draft.
I wonder what Carson Palmer would be worth right now in the trade market.
Is his value up since October or is it down?
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An overall number one with a Pro Bowl rep who comes against a playoff Detroit team, completes 80% of his passes for 400 yards in a must win game? And then does basically the same thing again the last game of the season? I don’t think any major NFL GM does not think Palmer is not a lst round talent.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
#18. Told you so all you Hue Haters!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Through 6 games with McFadden this year, we had 160 points scored.
That’s about 27 ppg. Last year under Hue we averaged about 26 ppg.
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Last year we had Gradkowski, Campbell, and Frye and a horrible DHB. This year we had a more seasoned Campbell, Carson Palmer, and an almost 1000 yard DHB.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
303,
He had this year to prove himself and for all the rhetoric about being close….you play that game…you have to also count the games that went in their favor.
The K.C game, the Denver game, Cleveland, houston…each of those games could have been losses.
Stop it.
If Reggie McKenzie likes Hue and he stays…I’ll be back on board with the Head Coach…
But I think the McKenzie should white paper this mess and get the quitters, check collectors and the incompetent on out and build the team in a way he thinks will lead to a SUSTAINED level of excellence.
And that includes looking at everything.
THis was a bad year for the Raiders….Tim Tebow led Broncos….Chiefs and Chargers on their azz…and the best they got is a shaky 8-8.
Hue Jackson is not the best candidate out there right now.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Bottom line: Cable handing the offense over to Hue resulted in a stratospheric improvement. The Raiders from last year to this year with no DMC and a mid-stream QB switch resulted in a very moderate decline.
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My answer to that would be the personnel on offense has continued to improve in leaps and bounds going back to the Kiffin era. The offense has arguably stagnated under Jackson.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Seymour,
The Raiders offense in that Detroit game took the 2nd half off.
Hardly a game to suggest offensive prowess. Plus 7 pts from the defense.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Fire Hue Jack huh??? Yea right haha!!!!
Welcome to The Raider Nation Reggie Mac!!!
Now lemme help ya a bit…
Winston Moss or Del Rio 4 DC
Bring back Ross n Woodson 2 coach db’s (I blame Bres!)
Sign or trade 4 finnegan
Cut or Trade Routt
Sign Troy Polomalu 2 play SS
Sign Fanene from Cincy
Sign Desean Jackson
Trade J.Ford 4 a draft pick (sorry bro)
Sign Red Bryant
Cut Seymour (Sorry)
Draft Vonteze Burfict
Run 3-4
Let Curry run loose as a blitzer
Win Division 12-4
Get 2 Home Playoff games
Win Super Bowl
Win over the love & respect of Raider Nation!!!
Or JUST WIN BABY!!! WIN!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Ask Philadelphia about what happens when you sign a bunch of free agents?
Rarely if ever works.
Building up the defense is not going to be easy when you have the bloated contracts and lack of effort the Raiders have
January 7th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Wow SnB,
You are in full propoganda mode.
If it were up to you, our whole team would be cut, and we have a bunch of FAs and low round draft picks starting for us next year.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
What I wouldn’t give to see Burfict in the silver and black. I don’t care if he’s crazy, I’d rather have him trying to kill people on the field than off it.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Wouldn’t= would.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Who is going to replace Palmer, SnB? How much will it cost us? What about the cap hit?
January 7th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Seymour,
The Raiders offense in that Detroit game took the 2nd half off.
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You were asking about the Q split, so that was my late season game assessment. With regards to this statement We continually got outcoached as opponents made adjustments that we seemingly could not counter on either side of the ball. See (Buff, NYJ, Houst, Cle, Chi, Det, KC, SD) games in that order. Some games (NE, KC, Denv, Mia, GB) We were outcoached right out of the gate.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Jhill,
I wouldn’t bring in a bunch of free agents. But I never thought much of this defense…and fixing it won’t be as easy as many think.
The scheme was bad, sure, but the players on that defense just don’t/can’t make plays…its so bad that in crunch time the opponent effortlessly drives 95+ yards when they need it.
Couldn’t do jack spit against Miami and Green Bay.
Its a bad unit man. Those players can’t play.
A flash here and there doesn’t count for much..as we should all know by now.
We were not close this year! The competition in the West was waaaaaayyyyyy down.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Who should we pick up to replace Seymour and Kelly, SnB?
How do we go about upgrading Routt AND find someone to play the other side?
January 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Who is going to replace Palmer, SnB? How much will it cost us? What about the cap hit?
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No one. Palmer will be here for the next 4 years.
And with no draft picks…not a chance finding the next guy either.
So he will be here.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
We don’t need any change on the offensive side of the ball, no way.
Hue needs a GM, defensive coordinator. I agree he was way over his head after Al’s death.
All I’m saying is we can all agree this was a weird year, so many things happened.
Hue has given this team a chance since he was brought over as OC and then this year too with brining in Carson.
If the same issues show up next year, I stand corrected.
More safe to stay the course with Hue and the offense with an offseason than say:
“blow up the team” blah, blah blah.
Easy for fans to say that….
January 7th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Saying this team is a “garbage dump” is just not fair. Yeah, i’m as ticked off as anybody here that the D choked away the division like they did, but 8-8 for two straight seasons is NOT a disaster that needs to be blown up.
McKenzie is smart enough to see that, and being a defensive guy like he is, we should all be excited to see our average, mediocore team take it to the next level.
My fervent hope is that we can rest easy when the opposing team has the ball at the one half yd. line and lo and behold…they find a way to get it done.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Who should we pick up to replace Seymour and Kelly, SnB?
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ANYONE on that defense can be replaced. ANYONE and the team won’t be hurt for it.
You can be ranked 28th in defense with a bunch of UFAs…give up double digit leads and 95 yard drives with UFAs.
The only thing keeping seymour and kelly will be guaranteed money
Send the both of them packing. Kelly should be gone with Terdell Sands and Seymour just got too old
January 7th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
does that mean hue hasnt been fired yet?
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
#181-”Hue brought us back to respectability”.Actually,Cable brought us back,not Hue.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
How can u admit the scheme is bad then bash the players? Boyd getting beat deep is Routts fault?
Wimbley being asked to cover Gates means Houston can’t play?
Let’s get a real DC who will put guys in a position to do what they do best instead of the crap we’ve seen the past few years.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
I want the NY Giants D-line. Those guys are all carbon course of each other.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
J Hill Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
How can u admit the scheme is bad then bash the players? Boyd getting beat deep is Routts fault?
Wimbley being asked to cover Gates means Houston can’t play?
Let’s get a real DC who will put guys in a position to do what they do best instead of the crap we’ve seen the past few years.
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You forgot McClain covering WR’s in TWO separate games….
January 7th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
#181-”Hue brought us back to respectability”.Actually,Cable brought us back,not Hue.
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I will agree that Cable brought back the belief that they could win.
the offense got better due subtracting out some bums and the nice progression of DHB….kudos to Sanjay Lal
January 7th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
The scheme is the same as last year. It never changed. So while Chucky B is certainly incompetent….the players didn’t do shhhhhh. Where was the pass rush the last 4 weeks?
Well, up until now.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
If we can trade seymour or kelly then that is a different story. Just outright cutting them with no replacements lined up?
Really?????
That would leave us with ZERO DTs mayne.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Hue gotta step in if the baffoonery is that bad?
Right?
Semi-pro bloggers pointing out obvious flaws in the game plan and the head coach can’t come over and say…don’t do that?
Head coaches have reign in assistants all the time.
Coordinators only have to worry about their own side of the ball
January 7th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
You gotta keep Seymour because of his big pay day.
Put him at the UT next year (assuming 4-3 defense_
Put Kelly on the road.
Then find someone to fill in at NT…hell, Desmond Bryant made plays when in….
The Raiders can find some young rooks with a higher motor anyway.
Seymour will be back unless he retires. He’s one of the highest paid players in the NFL
January 7th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
[...] Could be a re-interview for Hue Didn’t see the ESPN report where Chris Mortensen speculated Hue Jackson could be moved aside by new general manager Reggie McKenzie in favor of Green Bay defensive assistant Winston Moss. It was picked up by Profootballtalk.com and apparently w… [...]
January 7th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
#181-”Hue brought us back to respectability”.Actually,Cable brought us back,not Hue.
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I agree.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
HEY DELL,
I SAW THIS AND FIGURED I COULD PUT MY TWO CENTS IN…
My first Question then is, are you pleased with Mckenzie as the GM pick, or did you want someone else.
I’M HAPPY WITH HIM AS A GM PICK. HE SEEMS TO HAVE A VERY GOOD NOSE FOR PRODUCTIVE PLAYERS WHICH IS (I THINK) THE MOST IMPORTANT THING FOR A GM. HE IS KNOWN FOR BEING HARD WORKING AND HAS A SUCCESSFUL BACKGROUND AND A HISTORY WITH THE RAIDERS WHICH I THINK MAKES IT THAT MUCH BETTER. NOT MANY PEOPLE OUT THERE WITH HIS TRACK RECORD, STILL YOUNG ENOUGH TO LAST A WHILE ETC.
Second Question, what would you expect Mckenzie to do first as the GM. I mean restructer the office, hire more football related people or gut some of the existing employees.
FIRST I THINK HE SHOULD DO A FULL OVERVIEW ON THE PRODUCTION OF EACH OF THE EMPLOYEES. WHO HAS GOOD RESULTS RECENTLY, WHO DOESN’T. I.E. OFFENSE WAS VERY PRODUCTIVE FOR THE MOST PART. KEEP IT MOSTLY INTACT. SEE IF THERE ARE ANY PARTS WE COULD IMPROVE.
LOOK AT DEFENSE, AND SEE HOW MUCH WE NEED TO OVERHALL. FOR SURE DC, BUT WHAT OTHER PARTS NEED TO BE UPGRADED. AND BASED ON PERSONNEL AND WHO WE CAN ADD WHAT DIRECTION WE WANT TO HEAD SCHEME WISE (BECUASE YOU NEED TO KNOW THAT TO KNOW WHICH FREE AGENTS, DRAFT PICKS ETC. WILL FIT WITHIN THAT SCHEME).
THEN LOOK OVER THE ACTUAL ORGANIZATION STRUCTURE OF SCOUTS ETC. AND SEE HOW WE CAN IMPROVE THAT AND PUT IN THE STRUCTURE TO OPERATE WITHOUT MR. DAVIS AS IT WILL RUN VERY DIFFERENTLY NOW.
Third question, should Hugh stay and if he does, will Hugh get to select his own coaches, for offense and defense.
YEAH, HUE SHOULD STAY AND HE SHOULD GET A GOOD INPUT INTO HIS DEFENSIVE STAFF FOR SURE. HE KNEW WHAT HE WANTED TO DO ON OFFENSE AND MADE SOMETHING GOOD OUT OF IT. HE SHOULD BE ABLE TO DO THE SAME ON DEFENSE, BUT SHOULD BOUNCE IT OFF THE NEW GM SO THEY AGREE ON IT.
My fourth question, how would you grade Mckenzie as a GM, strictly on wins and losses, draft or overall football operations, et al, draft, FA signings, cap and style of team.
I WOULDN’T GRADE HIM YET. HE HASN’T DONE ANYTHING YET. BUT AS FAR AS CHOOSING THE RIGHT GUY I’D SAY IT’S AN “A” FOR SURE. HEARD ENOUGH PEOPLE RECOMMENDING HIM THAT HE MUST BE GOOD FOR SOMETHING.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
As to the coaches, Cable turning the offense over to Hue and the offense went from bottom (I think 31st) to the top 10. Him keeping the power and signing Saunders made it even better this year despite losing the top play makers for much of the year.
Defense gets turned over to Bresnehan and goes from #11 to #29 with some of the worst stats EVER in Raiders history. He definitely neeeds to go. Period, no doubt about it.
January 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Okay I’ll eat some crow, I thought for sure McKenzie would want his own man. But after much pondering I see the wisdom in this decision. I knew old Reggie was a smart man.
It saves the Raiders some bucks, makes Mark and Amy happy.
With Reggie doing the game planning, it mitigates one of Hue’s weaknesses.
I would still like to see Saunders call the plays, but we’ll see how that goes.
It honors a contract that Al made and avoids controversy.
At least I was right about McKenzie.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Raiders need a GM and a DC more than a new HC. Things are going to change in ways we couldn’t have imagined. We have been in a dysfunctional relationship with this team for so long, normality is going to be a cold hard slap in the face.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
With Reggie doing the game planning, it mitigates one of Hue’s weaknesses.
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Say what?He won’t be doing that.He will hire coaches,get players,and let the coaches do their jobs.That is what GMs do.They don’t do what the old man did and tell his coaches how to do their jobs.He hires them.If they aren’t successful,he replaces them.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Read the bio on Reggie, it is one of his strengths, advance scouting and game planning.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
With Reggie doing the game planning, it mitigates one of Hue’s weaknesses.
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Say what?He won’t be doing that.He will hire coaches,get players,and let the coaches do their jobs.That is what GMs do.They don’t do what the old man did and tell his coaches how to do their jobs.He hires them.If they aren’t successful,he replaces them.
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Yup. The bad old days of our owner chewing out the DC mid-game for running an unsuccessful blitz are ovah.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
The biggest impact McKenzie will have is in the free agency, scouting, drafting……he will get all the moving parts aligned…scheme, coaches, players, draft/freeagency.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Twocents Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Okay I’ll eat some crow, I thought for sure McKenzie would want his own man. But after much pondering I see the wisdom in this decision. I knew old Reggie was a smart man.
It saves the Raiders some bucks, makes Mark and Amy happy.
With Reggie doing the game planning, it mitigates one of Hue’s weaknesses.
I would still like to see Saunders call the plays,
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LOL!
Yeah, the GM doing the game planning would be a new thing.
Sanders calling the plays from the box isn’t a bad idea.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Do you even know what a GMs job is?It sure isn’t making game plans.That is the job of the coaches the GM hires.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So now that Cincy just got molly whopped 31-10 by Houston….can everyone shut up with the…..
“Oh, look how well Cincy did with Andy Dalton.”
They got whooped, the same way that we would’ve gotten whooped with that defense we had.
In fact, considering that we beat Houston earlier in the season, I actually think we might have been able to make it at least WAY closer than Cincy did, with a healthy Mcfadden, Moore, and Jacoby Ford.
Andy Dalton couldn’t get it done when it mattered most, in the playoffs!
The defense is the main reason we missed the playoffs, NOT Carson Palmer! Period, point blank.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
People were bagging on O.Co last night, I actually like the place. If they don’t have the money so be it. Keep playing there. Maybe pony up some cash for a new jumbotron. Besides that, it’s a great place to watch a game.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I don’t care who calls the offensive plays.I want a DC who is competent and puts the players into position to make plays.When I saw what good DCs did in Houston and Cinn. this year,I know it could happen here.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
I’m starting a DEAN PEES FOR DC campaign. Let’s make it happen Reggie
January 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
ArmChair,
They got whipped in the playoffs! The Playoffs!
With a rook QB.
We should be so lucky.
No one in Raider Nation should be throwing stones at a PLAYOFF team
January 7th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Also,
Carson is going to have to play much better than he did this year
January 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Twocents is over charging for his opinion again
January 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
You are going to see a murder in the field tomorrow. Tebow meet James Harrison.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
You are going to see a murder on the field tomorrow. Tebow meet James Harrison.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Lefty,
To add to your request, I would like a head coach that sets the tone, instills discipline, drives preparation and runs the bums off the roster and sets a high standard.
A head coach who has the wherewithal to insert himself on either side of the ball should things go terribly wrong.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Palmer does need to step his game up but it is a chance we should be willing to take. He is a weapon and he is not stupid and will learn from his mistakes. We need to make sure we have a good backup and I am sure R Mac is smart enough to realize that.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Orthodoxdj Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
We finally have a real GM and a real QB. Things are looking up. And yes, I’m talking about Palmer. The Campbell lovers can follow his new team.
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So true.
That and get a real DC, and keep DMC healthy = Deep Playoff run, maybe SB.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Everyone google Dean Pees and tell me he won’t be perfect for the job
January 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Maybe McKenzie should just get an experienced head coach who has already proved that he can do it.
Watching the Houston game halftime, I’m looking at Tony Dungy and thinking, he’s not doing anything, Bill Cowher’s not doing anything, any number of other accomplished head coaches aren’t doing anything.
Why do we have to settle for a head coach that needs OJT?
Why do we have to get trainee head coaches?
Cable and Jackson=both average and both trainees.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Carson is going to have to play much better than he did this year
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FALSE!Carson plays next year like he did the last 2 games and we have a middle range D we are a play-off team and nobody wants to play us.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
223 you are right. I still can’t understand how a coach can’t instill dicsipline in the linemen. We need someone who will be taken seriously and put a foot up some azzes if they commit penalties
January 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Morilla Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
You are going to see a murder on the field tomorrow. Tebow meet James Harrison.
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man I am waiting for that CRACK!
January 7th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I would like to stay loyal to my division but all I can think is Fvck Teblow and the donks. Can’t help it.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Lefty,
the last 5 or 6 games were uneven and sketchy performances all around.
The red zone offense wasn’t very good either.
He has to play better….but he’s not the only one.
The Raiders blew a lot of games because of a defense that will prove to be one of the worst of all time….but the offense also didn’t do its part to close those games out and coasted in the 2nd half way too much
January 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Morilla Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
You are going to see a murder on the field tomorrow. Tebow meet James Harrison.
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man I am waiting for that CRACK!
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Are we suggesting a crucifixion for Tebow of Nazareth?
I’ll bring the popcorn. B-)
January 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Palmer does need to step his game up
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Step it up from what for fuk’s sake?!
In the last game Palmer was 28/43 for 417 yards and two TD’s with the interception being on Ford.
When this guy was hired he was retired, overweight, and sitting on a coach.
Jackson throws him into a game THREE DAYS after he joined the Raiders.
Give him a chance.
Palmer’s going to be fine.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
twocents has some validity. mckenzie had input in the advance team scouting (of opponents) and game-planning, would meet with mccarthy before every game to provide input on opponent players.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Its a season of work…not a game here and there…
Can’t have games like Green Bay, Miami, Kansas City, the 2nd half of Detroit
January 7th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Don’t get me wrong I love Palmer but he needs to cut down on I.T’s check down and use the tight end more and take a sack if he has too. I think he could be more of a leader just looking at him he does not seem that confident. I am sure a full camp will hekp some of the leadership issues.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I am not a fan of paying a lot for 30+ year old free agents.
Rarely works in BUILDING franchise up
January 7th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
BUILDING “a” franchise up
January 7th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
Who is the Raiders director of football operations?
Anyone notice any d staff members leaving Alemaeda with their bags packed?
Howmany sacks did we give up this year compared to last year?
January 7th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
3 cheers for the Detroit and New Orleans defenses.
You can play defense and still have a good offense
January 7th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
How cool would it be to see the Lions play the Niners. How about that storyline?
January 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
What Hue gave up for Palmer was no doubt crazy.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
I can get on the 9er band wagon might as well keep it in the bay Area
January 7th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
morilla Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
How cool would it be to see the Lions play the Niners. How about that storyline?
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It would be so fcking cool. And the best part would be that the Lions humiliate those fckng bastards at home. Put them on all fours and pound them hard up the rear like there is no tomorrow. And to top it off, the nutty professor would feel it in his ass too.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Dean Pees for DC
January 7th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
What Hue gave up for Palmer was no doubt crazy.
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Hue got played badly. A trade for Palmer should have been a 2nd rounder…period.
A GM would not have gotten ripped off like that
January 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I can’t believe all the CP haters here, have you had junk a$$ qb’s so long you can’t see a real talent when it’s behind center?
Aaron Brooks more to your liking? McClown? Culpepper? Those guys were the junk QB’s of the NFL and they all ended up here because they couldn’t get a job anywhere else. Those guys were just freakin terrible, just terrible. Without that trade, Boller, we would of had freakin dumb a$$ Boller under center. I’d rather have mcClown
January 7th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
My biggest worry about our qb is an injury. We really need to have a really good backup in place. The qb injury bug hit hard this season
January 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
and before the peanut gallery comes in and says those picks don’t matter.
They do. You cannot trade for the elite young talent that give you the best 8 or 10 years of their career.
You have to draft them.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I said it before but not like this-anyone who blames Palmer for losses when our defense couldn’t and didn’t stop the other team from marching down the field and scoring at will is an idiot.Our QB didn’t allow Detroit to go 98 yards and score every time they had the ball in the 2nd half.Our QB didn’t allow Denver to come from a 21 point deficit in the 2nd half to win the game.Our QB didn’t allow the dischargers to score every time they had the ball except the 1st possession and the last where they just took a knee.Palmer played well enough to get us to the play-offs.The defense didn’t.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
There would be some nice brawls going on in that rematch. The Niners pedestrian offense cant hang with that Lions D. The Niners D is legit, but I don’t think they can hold the Lions air attack all day.
Maybe Schwartz can back slap Jimmy.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Raiderbuck,
No one “hates” Palmer…the Raiders paid too much for him and hurt their ability to get better in other areas.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Our defense had not forced a punt in the final 6 quarters of the season? Not good news before the playoffs. At least we were mercifully spared the agony.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Reggie McKenzie understands the value of draft picks COUPLED with outstanding scouting.
Because of the draft, the Packers get the best years out of Rogers, Matthews, Jennings, Raji and Finley.
Teams that trade draft picks for vets…end up gettting the back end of the careers of players like that…and worse yet…overpay for it
January 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Dean Pees for DC 2012
January 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
I agree that the price for CP was high. It’s done now we need to get the best return on our investment. It’s the only thing left to us.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
257.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
What Hue gave up for Palmer was no doubt crazy.
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Hue got played badly. A trade for Palmer should have been a 2nd rounder…period.
A GM would not have gotten ripped off like that
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Al wouldn’t have done that deal for more than one reason.
It’s done though and there’s nothing wrong with Palmer.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
and before the peanut gallery comes in and says those picks don’t matter.
They do. You cannot trade for the elite young talent that give you the best 8 or 10 years of their career.
You have to draft them.
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Bears traded for Jay Cutler, Patriots traded for Wes Welker. While I agree with you, I think what you are saying is smart teams build thru the draft, and then sprinkle in FA’s or trades to positions of need. That is the proper model. But in order to do that, you have to be able to develop the talent you draft. Now you know why Jon Gruden is not in the league.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
GG, thank you. All I was trying to say is that Mckenzie is a football man. He wasn’t brought here to read contracts.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
ArmChair,
They got whipped in the playoffs! The Playoffs!
With a rook QB.
We should be so lucky.
No one in Raider Nation should be throwing stones at a PLAYOFF team
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I hear what you’re saying man, but you COMPLETELY missed my point!
The point is that Andy Dalton was not some huge improvement over Carson Palmer as some have foolishly suggested. I’ve even seen some go as far as alleging that by attrition, Cincy was actually BETTER WITHOUT Carson Palmer!
Carson Palmer IS the most seasoned QB we have had since Gannon considering the situation he was thrust into. He NEVER even got to play with Mcfadden!
WE missed the playoffs PRIMARILY because of the DEFENSE. And when I say PRIMARILY, I mean a percentage of 99.9% culpability.
If the defense played with any sort of pride, and we had a healthy Mcfadden, Moore, and Ford, we would have been not only IN the playoffs, but advancing to the next round after we beat Houston for the SECOND time this year!
After Jason went down, without Carson, we wouldn’t even have had a fighting chance, and real, objective Raider fans know it!
January 7th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
I said it before but not like this-anyone who blames Palmer for losses when our defense couldn’t and didn’t stop the other team from marching down the field and scoring at will is an idiot.
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A complete idiot. Amen Lefty!
January 7th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Personally, I’m all for Palmer.
I think he’s the best QB we’ve had in a long time.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
and detroit is playing horrible run defense, almost like ours. Suh is trying to go after the big play like seymour does a lot instead of trying to stand up his guy
January 7th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
If we win the Suppa Bowl next year with CP, the Hue/Palmer move will look pretty sweet.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Our QB didn’t allow Detroit to go 98 yards and score every time they had the ball in the 2nd half.Our QB didn’t allow Denver to come from a 21 point deficit in the 2nd half to win the game.
Our QB didn’t allow the dischargers to score every time they had the ball except the 1st possession and the last where they just took a knee.
Palmer played well enough to get us to the play-offs.The defense didn’t.
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Lefty this makes so much sense, that half the posters here will read this and it will still go right over their heads.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Twocents Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
GG, thank you. All I was trying to say is that Mckenzie is a football man. He wasn’t brought here to read contracts.
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Yep, he will be involved in every facet of the football department, he is a football guy, and will meet with the HC before every game, providing his top-notch scouting reports, not just who can play, but how they play, strengths and weaknesses, how they can be exploited, what to watch out for, etc. A resource of knowledge for the HC to benefit from. Not a meddler, not a tyrant, just someone with immense football knowledge rolling up his sleeves pro-active in the running of his football department.
January 7th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Dean Pees for DC ‘12
January 7th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Dean Pees, I pee, we all pee!
January 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
GG-I don’t think any of that will happen.That isn’t what GMs do,but it is what old, meddling owners did.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
GG, you say it better than I do. I think it’s called functional top-notch franchise. A man at the top but everybody working together.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
All I hope is that Reggie McKenzie does for our team what Jim Harbaugh did for the 49ers.
Granted, Reggie won’t be on the sidelines. He will be upstairs watching however, and will view his share of film as well. I would imagine that Hue will fill him in as to the earners and the collectors in due time.
It doesn’t strike me that they put up with a whole lot of nonsense in Green Bay. On some level the players will have to notice that there’s a new regime and some of the old ways are not going to be tolerated. That alone should help the product on the field.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
“He wasn’t brought here to read contracts.”
You are kidding right?
A GM that doesn’t read contracts?
LMFAO I hope you are trying to make a joke
January 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Jay Cutler was all of 26 for that trade.
He’s got a good 8 or 9 years of football at that point.
Different than a 32 year old QB with injury history
No problem with Carson….the price was way too high.
Now, if Carson gives high production and can either:
1. Get to the SuperBowl in next 3 years or
2. Play for another 8 years.
The Raiders got ripped off on the deal.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
edward teach Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
All I hope is that Reggie McKenzie does for our team what Jim Harbaugh did for the 49ers.
Granted, Reggie won’t be on the sidelines. He will be upstairs watching however, and will view his share of film as well. I would imagine that Hue will fill him in as to the earners and the collectors in due time.
It doesn’t strike me that they put up with a whole lot of nonsense in Green Bay. On some level the players will have to notice that there’s a new regime and some of the old ways are not going to be tolerated. That alone should help the product on the field.
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You’d think but I doubt it.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Hue Jackson said one thing in his season ending presser that hit the nail right on the head in my opinion.
The Buffalo game was the perfect indicator for how our season was gonna ultimately end up. The defense allowed 5 straight TD’s in that game without a stop! And that happened with JASON FREAKIN CAMPBELL!
That alone should tell you guys that in our situation, blaming any of our QB’s NOT NAMED KYLE BOLLER, is completely ridiculous.
Our defense bent over prison style all season long. Without Carson Palmer, our season would’ve been over after the Cleveland game!
January 7th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
And the people sang “yeah” ♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫♪♫
Raidahs got themselves a gm
January 7th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
254-then get on it and get the heck out of the Raider Nation.That has to be one of the worst comments I’ve ever read on this blog.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Can’t the comments of glass half full and the glass is empty be made on here?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Yes, Gruden is very much overrated.
most coaches can bring up seasoned veterans who have a track record of hard work.
Developing players into those seasoned veterans is how teams are built.
Gruden couldn’t do that and it took the Raiders 10 years and counting to recover from that
January 7th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Any of you blog nerds seen my new band ‘Bad Tones That Ree’ we is tearin it up at the Battle of the Bands
Gonna roll some spliff and pack my hind end with some XXXXXXL magnums.
No messin round here, no slim jims allowed.
WEEDA BEEDA CHACKA BACKA WUT UP IN BANG TOWN
January 7th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Jay Cutler was all of 26 for that trade.
He’s got a good 8 or 9 years of football at that point.
Different than a 32 year old QB with injury history
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Cutler has a injury history also.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
If a 3-4 def is what u want then Dean Pees is our guy
January 7th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
GG-I don’t think any of that will happen.That isn’t what GMs do,but it is what old, meddling owners did.
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Al Davis was the owner but also the GM. In his GM’ing that’s what he did. He was actively involved running his football department because he was a football guy. GM’s can do these things too, some do some don’t. Even when Al was an owner he did these things because he was an Einstein of football, like Paul Brown. Al was Al, very single-minded and tyrannical-like, hence the meddling and worse, being the de facto DC. McKenzie isn’t like that, but read his resume and what you seeing is a football man not “just” a suit and tie.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I still would have rather seen Matt Millen as GM.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
The 3-4 defense is what we want.
Time to move into the 21st century.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
#254
I can get on the 9er band wagon might as well keep it in the bay Area
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Sorry brah, rather see Denver take it than those flea bags across the bay. the professor is a fluffer and he needs the niners to win to validate his job. No can do partnah. niners suck, no two ways about it.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Hue Jackson said one thing in his season ending presser that hit the nail right on the head in my opinion.
The Buffalo game was the perfect indicator for how our season was gonna ultimately end up. The defense allowed 5 straight TD’s in that game without a stop! And that happened with JASON FREAKIN CAMPBELL!
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I agreed at that time as well. So if we know that…then do you go and trade two top picks for a guy that is going to have a transition period with a defense that is probably (is) not good enough for a playoff run anyway.
The only reason the Raiders were close was because San Diego and KC imploded to injury and other chaos.
The Raiders didn’t miss the playoffs at 10-6 or 11-5
It was at a very weak 8-8
Again, nothing against CArson, but the draft picks given up hurt the team when it has so many holes to fill.
It is what it is.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Every player in the NFL has what you’d call an injury history at some point or another.Palmer isn’t like McFadden who misses games EVERY year.Saying he is injury prone is false.Actually,the guy is very durable.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Any Angry Birds players out there?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Dean Pees can do 3-4 and 4-3. His Patriots defenses used multiple fronts.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
295.Albert Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
I still would have rather seen Matt Millen as GM.
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Finally someone making some sense in here.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Our QB didn’t allow Detroit to go 98 yards and score every time they had the ball in the 2nd half.Our QB didn’t allow Denver to come from a 21 point deficit in the 2nd half to win the game.
Our QB didn’t allow the dischargers to score every time they had the ball except the 1st possession and the last where they just took a knee.
Palmer played well enough to get us to the play-offs.The defense didn’t.
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Lefty this makes so much sense, that half the posters here will read this and it will still go right over their heads.
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I know you guys have been pissed at me about this, but we were a DISMAL 2nd half offense. There was a streak where we went 5 or 6 games without scoring in the 4th quarter. That right there is mind boggling! We only put up 3 points against Minn in the 2nd half of that game, allowing them to come back. I can go on and on. A lot of you act like this Raider offense was as good as the 07 New England Patriots. It wasn’t guys.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I know this is hopeless, but I will try again. Hue Jackson is not running the Oakland Raiders football operations. Reggie McKenzie is the man that is in charge of all things football. He answers to Mark Davis.
Al Davis used to be in charge of everything and answered to no one.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
This team could EASILY have been 13-3 just as easy as it could have been 3-13.
Just doesn’t add up, let alone make any sense what so ever.
SMFH
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
You guys are too fixated on 3-4 vs 4-3.Changing from one to the other isn’t the answer.Being efficient at either is what we need.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
254-then get on it and get the heck out of the Raider Nation.That has to be one of the worst comments I’ve ever read on this blog.
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No doubt..and earlier he said he felt like he should root for the Donks.. Really? You couldn’t pay me to to root for the Sheblows. Not even for a tag team match with Angelina Jolie and Halle Berry…. Wait a minute.. let me think about that one..
January 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Hey YoungAmerican read Dean Pees resume. Dude is our guy
January 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
I agreed at that time as well. So if we know that…then do you go and trade two top picks for a guy that is going to have a transition period with a defense that is probably (is) not good enough for a playoff run anyway.
The only reason the Raiders were close was because San Diego and KC imploded to injury and other chaos.
The Raiders didn’t miss the playoffs at 10-6 or 11-5
It was at a very weak 8-8
Again, nothing against CArson, but the draft picks given up hurt the team when it has so many holes to fill.
It is what it is.
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20/20 hindsight is what that is.
You cannot give up on the season when your starting QB goes down for the year and you’re still in contention, especially wtih the AFC West as shaky as it was this year. That is NOT the message you send to your team. You show them that you haven’t given up, you go out and get the best replacement you can find, you keep pushing and you expect your players to do the same.
Be honest, JFB; when Hue made that trade were you thinking there was no way we could make the playoffs with our defense and we shouldn’t have gone out and gotten Palmer because it would have been a waste of time?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
You guys are too fixated on 3-4 vs 4-3.Changing from one to the other isn’t the answer.Being efficient at either is what we need.
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Yep.
Just find the best DC available, and then find the pieces necessary to do what that DC wants to do.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
onlynation Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Hey YoungAmerican read Dean Pees resume. Dude is our guy
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I’ve been bringing his name up for weeks in here. I think he’d be a very good choice. He’s the kind of guy who can get the most from the pieces he has.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
254-then get on it and get the heck out of the Raider Nation.That has to be one of the worst comments I’ve ever read on this blog.
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No doubt..and earlier he said he felt like he should root for the Donks.. Really? You couldn’t pay me to to root for the Sheblows. Not even for a tag team match with Angelina Jolie and Halle Berry…. Wait a minute.. let me think about that one..
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If it came down to denver vs niners in the super bowl, no fckng way in hell would I want to see the ass bites from across the bay even compete. I would most certainly pull for a niner loss. Has to be. No upstanding Raider fan can want the niners to win. A defeat would go a long way for them. The Professor would be very butt hurt, but hey, nothing that a little ‘fluffing’ would make feel better.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Let’s ask Seymour if he would want Pees
January 7th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
You guys are too fixated on 3-4 vs 4-3.Changing from one to the other isn’t the answer.Being efficient at either is what we need.
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Absolutely agree with this. Its all about getting coaches that are experts in their scheme and bringing in players that can do what the coaches need to have them do in that scheme.
Plenty of good defenses that are 4-3 and plenty of bad 3-4.
3-4 is no holy grail.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
304-and you don’t seem to understand the GM hires people to do certain jobs and lets them do it.If they don’t do their job to his satisfaction,he replaces them.He doesn’t have time to sit in meetings and tell his coaches how to do their jobs.He doesn’t scout opponents every week to help make game plans.He hires people to do that.When RM worked for GB he was one of those lackeys.Now he hires them.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Our QB didn’t allow Detroit to go 98 yards and score every time they had the ball in the 2nd half.Our QB didn’t allow Denver to come from a 21 point deficit in the 2nd half to win the game.
Our QB didn’t allow the dischargers to score every time they had the ball except the 1st possession and the last where they just took a knee.
Palmer played well enough to get us to the play-offs.The defense didn’t.
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Lefty this makes so much sense, that half the posters here will read this and it will still go right over their heads.
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I know you guys have been pissed at me about this, but we were a DISMAL 2nd half offense. There was a streak where we went 5 or 6 games without scoring in the 4th quarter. That right there is mind boggling! We only put up 3 points against Minn in the 2nd half of that game, allowing them to come back. I can go on and on. A lot of you act like this Raider offense was as good as the 07 New England Patriots. It wasn’t guys.
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No but it was a 7th ranked rushing offense, and an 11th ranked passing offense despite the fact that our biggest offensive running and receiving weapons HURT and NOT PLAYING FOR HALF THE SEASON!
The defense was almost dead last in the entire NFL.
And you’re still talking about the offense.
There are 3 teams with a worse total offense than ours that made it to the playoffs.
But you are still complaining about a depleted offense that still was near the top 10.
Yet somehow this makes sense to you…smh
January 7th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Why it’s important here for there to be a good working relationship between McKenzie and the HC. Why it’s an issue talked about — Hue being able to work with Reggie or not. Reggie won’t be meddling, but he will be involved, helping out, he has immense experience/success in advanced scouting, so naturally that goes to waste not being used.
It’ll be interesting for the PC. Finding out exactly how much power Reggie has, and what possible re-structure power Hue has if he is staying. Full control doesn’t mean he’s meddling. Just he is responsible for the entire football department. He will delegate roles to people, having a cohesive ‘teamwork’ structure in place, everyone contributing to one goal, but the buck will stop at Reggie.
Full control can mean starting rosters too, doesn’t mean he will meddle with HC. On this starting rosters point, Hue’s contractual power still answered to Al. He may not have had full control of the starting roster. This is one area of the PC that will be interesting for me.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I want to see the Broncos get killed. But, I wouldn’t mind seeing Tebow benched and Quinn playing well to shut up Tebow Nation.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Edward Teach,
I was not big on that trade when it happened because I didn’t see the Raiders as a Super Bowl type team at the time.
I felt that giving up what they gave up is something you do when you think you can make a Super Bowl run.
The Buffalo game told us all that wasn’t in the cards.
A GM would have traded a 2nd round pick only and told Mike Brown to pound sand for what he asked for.
It was too much…..
But its a sunk cost at this point.
Carson has to play at a true top tier level next year to make that trade work. Unless of course you don’t believe in value.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Hire lackeys and turn them loose? You must work for the government.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
The offense “lagging” a bit may have something to do with (arguably) our BEST PLAYER (DMAC) not playing.
If Adrian Peterson were out that many games and the Vikings offense “lagged” a bit what is the first thing people would say is the reason? That Adrian Peterson was injured.
Before someone says ‘DMAC is NOT Peterson’ I will say DMAC was playing better than him when he went down.
Don’t forget DMAC was the top rusher in the league when he went down.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Saints haven’t punted yet. Sound familiar.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Personally, I’m more pissed about blowing a 3rd round pick on Terrell Pryor than blowing a 1st and a 1st/2nd on Palmer.
Two 2nds was the most Palmer should have commanded. But if he can keep the Raiders offense legitimate, all the Raiders need is a defense who can stop… well, anyone at all. Carson can do enough, and the pieces around him are only going to get better.
Overpaid? Sure, but it’s not exactly easy to find a Top-15 QB. And I’m not sure the Raiders would be in any position to pick one in the 2012 draft anyway. At least not without trading away two firsts and maybe another high draft pick, for a guy who might not even be as good as Palmer.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
A GM would have traded a 2nd round pick only and told Mike Brown to pound sand for what he asked for.
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Bu!!sh!t.You don’t know that in the least.We gave up less than others have given up for less talented players.A 1st and a 2nd for a Carson Palmer is not overpaying.Ask anyone involved in the game and I believe you’d be proven wrong.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Lefty is right about the role of the GM.
He is running everything from the college scouting, league scouting, self scouting, draft prep contract negotiations, future planning, managing the head coach, managing the relationshiop with the owner.
He has to hire others (i.e director of college scouting) to manage the scouts…he has to hire a cap guy to pour through the financials etc…
Reggie McKenzie will not be in the room game planning the Kansas City Chiefs.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
A GM would have traded a 2nd round pick only and told Mike Brown to pound sand for what he asked for.
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Bu!!sh!t.You don’t know that in the least.We gave up less than others have given up for less talented players.A 1st and a 2nd for a Carson Palmer is not overpaying.Ask anyone involved in the game and I believe you’d be proven wrong
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Give me other examples of giving up that much for a 30+ year old player and the result?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Hire a trainer to work with DMAC ALL offseason to strenghten his FEET.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Snb, It may very well not turn out that Carson plays at a level that merits the trade but I think you at least have to TRY to win, and Carson was the best option.
Yes. It comes at a high price but at least you have a proven commodity with him.
All GM’s will tell you draft picks are a crapshoot at best.
Just as Carson was a “risk”, so too are draft picks.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raiders simply cannot go into the 2012 season depending on DMac playing at a high level down the stretch. Or at all, for that matter. For all the Raiders know, he could aggravate his foot injury in Week 2.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
I’ll even go so far as to say we might have slightly overpaid for Palmer.However,if we hadn’t gotten him and gone with Boller,all of you who are complaining that we paid too much would be here complaining we did nothing.Sometimes hindsight and being Monday morning QBs is an easy thing to do.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I like Palmer, but we over payed for him. At the time, I thought the Raiders should have either traded a 4th round pick for Orton or a 1st or 2nd rounder for Flynn from the Packers.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Looks like anyone who had the Saints and over is sitting pretty..
January 7th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
YA,I totally agree with 329 and TJ hasn’t proven he is an option either.However,I am still of the belief that RB is 1 of the easiest positions to fill,so we could easily get an undrafted FA to fill the void.Any ideas?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Orton was the only other option, really.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
So if Orton was the only option,and honestly I doubt he was an option,who would you rather have going into the future-Palmer or Orton?
January 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
A GM would have traded a 2nd round pick only and told Mike Brown to pound sand for what he asked for.
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Bu!!sh!t.You don’t know that in the least.We gave up less than others have given up for less talented players.A 1st and a 2nd for a Carson Palmer is not overpaying.Ask anyone involved in the game and I believe you’d be proven wrong.
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How much would a team have to pay right now for Eli Manning? Manning was an overall number one. Has Pro Bowl appearances. If you think just a lst rounder would get him, not a chance. It would take an awful lot to get Eli Manning. And statistically he is very very close to Palmer. His SB win, not withstanding.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Jackson’s quarter end presser may be his undoing. He came across as very unprofessional.
The only way he could have come out a winner w Palmer trade would have been with us making a deep run in playoffs. With no playoffs Jackson knew he will be blamed for trade. So he went off and threw everyone under him under the bus saying that’s why we didn’t make playoffs. All and all I think it’s smart for McKenzie to keep Hue and give Him enough rope to hang himself.
McKenzie is very close to Winston Moss. That means Hue will be on short leash next year. If he starts 0-6 he will fire him in a heart beat to bring in Moss. Of course Hue knows that and may act up enough to force his dismissal before season starts. But I doubt it since no one will hire him for anything other than a QB coach if he is fired here. So to remain a HC he will eat his pride and give it a try.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
YA,I totally agree with 329 and TJ hasn’t proven he is an option either.However,I am still of the belief that RB is 1 of the easiest positions to fill,so we could easily get an undrafted FA to fill the void.Any ideas?
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I like Terrance Gannaway and Daniel Herron.
If the Raiders end up with two compensatory picks at the end of the 3rd round, Temple’s Bernard Pierce should be on their radar. Not sure if he’d last that long, though.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Lefty, I didn’t see this team as a Super Bowl type team when JC went down. If we had a team like the Vikings had in 2007, I could see doing that. But the holes were evident before JC went down. Just my opinion.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
I absolutely believe in value, SnB. I also agree that a competent GM could have swung that trade without giving up as much as Hue did. That said, I think Palmer (who did get better as the year went on despite the revolving door at WR and the disappearance of Reece and anyone playing tight end for the Raiders) will give us pretty good value for the next few years.
As far as the draft picks, it’s an unknown at this point. I think the first-rounder this year is the tough one because the majority of the other picks are already gone. Read something the other day where Bill Williamson expects us to get two compensatory third-rounders so that’ll help a little bit. I think we have a full list of picks in next year’s draft (except, of course, for the first or second that belongs to Cincy).
I really believe the defense will be a lot better next year. I don’t think the players bought what Chuck B was selling. It’s on them as much as anyone because they have to make the effort, but when someone seems to be putting you in a position to fail time and again I think it’s sometimes difficult to give 100%.
January 7th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Also, many of you have to connect the dots here.
Overpaying hurts you.
sure, they have a good Qb for 3 or so years….but, they shorted themselves of being able to get a defensive star that could contribute for 10 years at a very high level AND could have probably had Palmer in the offseason for much less.
How do you all expect to build up the defense and fill the holes?
Mid and late round gems only get you so far as we have seen. Occassionaly you hit…but a lot of the top talent is drafted near the top.
Free Agency is for plugging a hole here or there…it rarely if ever works for building up an entire unit.
I think the Raiders are the only team to trade 1st round draft picks for vets the last few years….I could be wrong.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
UCLA Raiders Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Jackson’s quarter end presser may be his undoing. He came across as very unprofessional.
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He really did. And that barcolounger at his pressers didn’t look that good either. I thought Barry Bonds was going to follow up Hues swill with more denials he ever roided up.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Wow, has any D stopped the Saints this year?
January 7th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Detroit defense may be just as bad as the Raiders.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Palmer could easily be the QB for 5-6 years and possibly more.He isn’t a Vick type guy who relies on his legs.Depending on ones opinion,there aren’t that many holes that need to be filled on D if we hire a competent DC.A couple of good LBs would go a long ways toward fixing things.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
The Saints have put up 5 40burgers and one 60burger!
January 7th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Detroit defense may be just as bad as the Raiders.
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Not even close.If we had their D we’d have a bye this week.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
I think you have to feel good if you could hold them to less than 22.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
Saints are the new Patriots. They love running up the score.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
In 4-5 years when Palmer is gone all u current doubters will be hoping we can find another Palmer.
First qb we have had since Gannon that has the talent to take us all the way.
Give him a moderately good defense and a healthy cast of playmakers and he can take us home.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Detroit defense may be just as bad as the Raiders.
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Not even close.If we had their D we’d have a bye this week.
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From a scoring perspective, they are a little better than the Raiders, 24.2 to 27.2.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
And we avged a little over 26 a game on offense.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Dakota Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
In 4-5 years when Palmer is gone all u current doubters will be hoping we can find another Palmer.
First qb we have had since Gannon that has the talent to take us all the way.
Give him a moderately good defense and a healthy cast of playmakers and he can take us home.
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We’ll see, hope so. With the GM in place, that more believable than last week.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
329.YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Raiders simply cannot go into the 2012 season depending on DMac playing at a high level down the stretch. Or at all, for that matter. For all the Raiders know, he could aggravate his foot injury in Week 2.
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here we go with this bullsh!t again. dude never been injured like this before. yall never mention ford being out just as much as him. u have no clue what will happen with dmc. we needed bush to play better down the stretch this year. he got his chance and didnt do sh1t. yall claim he could handle the load better than dmc and he didnt.u also dont know sh!t about how pryor will do. dude is a fantastic talent that will get to prove himself and there is no need to rush him. he may be great or he may flop. to say he is a wasted pick when we needed a young qb to develop is stupid. damn yall can be so damn ridiculous in here.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
We averaged 22 over the year, lefty. We averaged 26 with Campbell. You pretty much have to win a shootout with GB, Saints and NE, they’re pretty much unstoppable.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Armond,given the dudes track record,you have to admit it would be wise to have a back-up plan.While we all hope McFadden can and will play a full schedule in the future,given what has happened his 1st few years,it can’t be counted on.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Gutierrez called him Limp DMC instead of Run. That’s funny!
January 7th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Pryor would have gone no higher than the 5th round if Al hadn’t wasted a pick on him. Even in college, he never showed any of the skills that real NFL quarterbacks have.
Who cares about his college injury history? As a pro, DMac has suffered multiple injuries to the same part of his body. Foot injuries, especially ones like McFadden has had – turf toe and lisfranc injuries – can end or dramatically shorten careers, especially those of running backs. He hasn’t proven to be capable of playing an entire season in the NFL yet, so why should the Raiders count on that happening in 2012?
Bush always needed a change-of-pace back. ANY back needs another RB who can spell him. The biggest mistake the Raiders made was not signing another running back when DMac and Jones went down.
If Ford spends the next two seasons hampered by foot and hamstring injuries, it will be just as concerning as DMac’s injuries are now. But Ford isn’t making $5 million per season with a $6 million cap hit.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Pryor would have gone no higher than the 5th round if Al hadn’t wasted a pick on him. Even in college, he never showed any of the skills that real NFL quarterbacks have.
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Multiple media reports said at least two teams put in a 4th-round bid on Pryor. As we didn’t have that pick to spend, it was 3rd round or nothing.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
LB,if you believe we have a better chance of winning a shootout with Campbell than we would with Palmer there is no reason for us to discuss it.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Multiple media reports said at least two teams put in a 4th-round bid on Pryor. As we didn’t have that pick to spend, it was 3rd round or nothing.
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Then those are two foolish teams.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
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January 7th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
The movie “always” always brings a tear to my eye….
January 7th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Bush not starting until wk 7. Still racks up almost 1k.
January 7th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Trade limp dmc for Fargas!
January 7th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
AND Bush had 37 rec. for 418 yds.
Unfortunatly he was 2nd in receptions.
And some of you want him cut or traded…sheeeesh.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
LB,if you believe we have a better chance of winning a shootout with Campbell than we would with Palmer there is no reason for us to discuss it.
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I’m not even going to get into that. I’m just happy to have Reggie around.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
DHB should’ve gone for 1k too. They froze him out for those two weeks.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Carson is going to have to play much better than he did this year
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FALSE!Carson plays next year like he did the last 2 games and we have a middle range D we are a play-off team and nobody wants to play us.
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I agree with this statement. Palmer did some GREAT things as QB. Never mind the fact that he caught on mid-season, had no Darren McFadden, a weak running game the final 7 games of the season, and a revolving door at WR with Ford and Moore missing most of the second half of the season.
With all that, Palmer still completed more than 60% of his passes and had a better YPA than Drew Brees.
The one legitimate knock on Palmer this year is the INTs. He threw 16 in 10 games. Ten of those 16 picks came in three games — the first two when he was still shaking off the rust and learning the offense and the Green Bay game where he was clearly trying to do too much. In the other 7 games he averaged just under a pick a game.
Palmer pushes the ball down field. He’s not a checkdown type QB. Like Drew Brees (146 INTs in 154 games), Peyton Manning (198 in 208), Eli Manning (129 in 121), Brett Favre (336 in 302), Palmer is probably going to average about a pick a game.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
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January 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I’m not even going to get into that. I’m just happy to have Reggie around.
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And I’m happy to have CP around!
January 7th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
One more stat on Bush….he led the team in TD’s with 8
7 rushing and 1 reception.
Let’s trade or cut him…PPPPFFFF
January 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
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January 7th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
As one of my favorite T-shirts reads-Fishing is like sex,the less you get,the more you lie.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Trade or cut bush? He is a free agent dumbass.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
361.YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Multiple media reports said at least two teams put in a 4th-round bid on Pryor. As we didn’t have that pick to spend, it was 3rd round or nothing.
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Then those are two foolish teams.
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becuz YOU say so? pryor wasnt going to come out until THIS year so stop acting like he was just some late round pick. if it wasnt for the ohio st bs he wouldve stayed and more than likely be a 1rst or 2nd round pick. dude is a qb and you have no clue if he will stink it up. he will sit like he should until its time to play him. im not going off of dmc’s injury history in college, im going off his nfl career. he plays in 13 games a year until this year where he played half of that. you guys make up all kinds of sh!t to support your arguments. ofcourse we need a backup rb. im not sayinge we dont. to act like dmc is a luxury as you have put it before is very foolish.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
I’m not even going to get into that. I’m just happy to have Reggie around.
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And I’m happy to have CP around!
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You should be presidente of the CP fan club.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Trade or cut bush? He is a free agent dumbass
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OK, then quit saying the Raiders should let him go then dumb fk
January 7th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
356.lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Armond,given the dudes track record,you have to admit it would be wise to have a back-up plan.While we all hope McFadden can and will play a full schedule in the future,given what has happened his 1st few years,it can’t be counted on.
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lefty my point has never been that we shouldnt have a capable backup. i just hate when people have their own agenda and dont pay attention to the facts. the same way people in here talk about dhb always body catching when its not true. he’s made several hands catches like every wr. hell all wr’s body catch including the great ones. i remember watching the nfls greatest 100 of all time on nfln. ernie acorsi was presenting HOF TE
bob mackey of the colts. he said that guy would always body catch but it never stopped him from being great. imagine a HOFmer making body catches but these morons in here act like youre not good if u do that.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I didn’t say that dumbass. I love bush as a backup. Just correcting your ignorant ass.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:22 pm
I know DMac has had injuries every year. Jerry Mac likes to throw some made up number out there about how he’s only been healthy 16 out of 64 games or something crazy like that. Not sure where that comes from. Reality is he missed 10 games through his first three seasons and another 10 this season (counting the KC game he got hurt in). He’s suited up for 45 of a possible 64 games.
The reality is you can’t count on him for a full season. But when he’s healthy, in my mind he’s the best RB in football right now. He’s a difference maker. You don’t trade or bail on difference makers because they might get injured. Because, you know what, he might not get injured. None of the injuries he’s had are the type that would diminish his skills or make him susceptible to future re-injury. Could justs be that he’s had a couple of bad luck injuries and he won’t in the future.
What if the Lions bailed on Matthew Stafford before this season because of his injury history. He missed 6 games his rookie season and another 13 last year in his second season in the league. Then this year, he stays healthy, and throws for more than 5,000 yards and 40 TDs.
Gotta have a good backup for DMac. But there’s no way you give up on him.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
#376 good post re: Terrelle Pryor.
People never learn here about declaring a player a bust or a boom before they’ve even seen the field or had a chance.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
If I should be pres.of CPs fan club because I know he is better than any QB we’ve had in over 10 years then so be it.At least with him we have a chance to go far into the play-offs which we haven’t had with any QB since Gannon.If you believe we had that chance with JC you live in a fantasy world.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Chris in ny,
Glad to see there is at least one other raider fan with a brain. McFadden turns the raiders offense from pedestrian to special. No reason to give up on the young man yet.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Dakota, I shouldn’t have directed that comment at you and I apoligize. Just seems that some on this blog would like to see Bush move on.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Except for some kind of miracle season, Pryor would not have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. The kid was simply never that good. Lots of hype, crazy physical tools. Inconsistent performance. Mental errors. Inability to read defenses. Inaccurate passes. Run-first QB in a spread offense. Wasted pick.
DMac had 8 games with less than 10 carries in 2008, 8 games with less than 10 carries in 2009, and even in his only 1000-yard season? He was shut out v.s. Miami, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Houston. We’re not talking about Superman here. We’re talking about a guy who, even when healthy, CAN be stopped by good defensive teams. The Raiders can’t lean on him if they intend to get past elite AFC teams like the Steelers and Ravens. Moreover, even when he’s not sitting out because of injury, injuries have limited his effectiveness.
He’s a great player when healthy. But when is he healthy? And even when he is, he’s not unstoppable.
For a team with as many holes as the Raiders have? a $6 million part-time player is absolutely a luxury.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
None of the injuries he’s had are the type that would diminish his skills or make him susceptible to future re-injury.
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Those are EXACTLY the type of injuries he’s had.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
327.89706Raider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Hire a trainer to work with DMAC ALL offseason to strenghten his FEET.
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Hopefully McKenzie’s first hire is Dr. Scholls
January 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Dakota Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
In 4-5 years when Palmer is gone all u current doubters will be hoping we can find another Palmer.
First qb we have had since Gannon that has the talent to take us all the way.
Give him a moderately good defense and a healthy cast of playmakers and he can take us home.
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Right on… Right on
January 7th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
You’re entitled to your opinion.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What if the Lions bailed on Matthew Stafford before this season because of his injury history. He missed 6 games his rookie season and another 13 last year in his second season in the league. Then this year, he stays healthy, and throws for more than 5,000 yards and 40 TDs.
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Inaccurate comparison. RBs are MUCH easier to find than QBs.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
I like Bush (hehehe), but I don’t see being able to pay $5 mil + per year for multiple years for a No. 2 back. If for no other reason than there is always a large supply of solid RBs in this league.
This is one of those spots where the talent evaluators need to make their mark by finding a less expensive option who can step in and step up when needed. Kind of like Green Bay had in James Starks. Taiwan Jones could be our No. 2 if he can be durable enough to handle 15-20 carries and improves his pass blocking, but I think we need a big back in the mold of Bush to be the No. 3 in that scenario.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I can’t wait to see how effective McFadden can be now that he has a legit QB and passing game to compliment him instead of a QB that needed him so the passing game could be effective.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Bush should absolutely not be franchised. Would be a terrible move.
Make a fair offer, and if he doesn’t take it then turn to the draft and free agency.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Dakota Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
In 4-5 years when Palmer is gone all u current doubters will be hoping we can find another Palmer.
First qb we have had since Gannon that has the talent to take us all the way.
Give him a moderately good defense and a healthy cast of playmakers and he can take us home.
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Right on… Right on
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Hell’s yeah.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
504 Raider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
327.89706Raider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Hire a trainer to work with DMAC ALL offseason to strenghten his FEET.
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Hopefully McKenzie’s first hire is Dr. Scholls
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haha, I’ve never heard of foot strengthening exercising. I guess they have them too. Maybe, he has glass feet like Walton, Ilgauskas or Ming.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
What if the Lions bailed on Matthew Stafford before this season because of his injury history. He missed 6 games his rookie season and another 13 last year in his second season in the league. Then this year, he stays healthy, and throws for more than 5,000 yards and 40 TDs.
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Inaccurate comparison. RBs are MUCH easier to find than QBs.
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True. But the point is McFadden is not just another running back. He’s a special offensive weapon that is almost impossible to replace.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
lefty, what you prediction for LimpDMCs production next year before he gets hurt?
January 7th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Bush is much easier to replace than DMac. Keep Darren and find a replacement for Bush. That makes the most sense.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
I know this is years later but Bush should be offered that same deal Al gave Fargas years ago. If he declines, shake his hand and wish him well. I think it was 4 yrs and $10 million.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Don’t make predictions,but when healthy he is one of the top 5 RBs in the league and having a viable passing game to compliment him will make him even more dangerous.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
I can’t wait to see how effective McFadden can be now that he has a legit QB and passing game to compliment him instead of a QB that needed him so the passing game could be effective.
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I’ve been thinking the same thing. Keep this offense in tact. Pair McFadden with Palmer. Moore and Ford back. DHB continues to improve. Maybe tweak the offensive line a little. And keep Hue as head coach and I think we have the potential to be the No. 1 offense in the NFL next season. At minimum right up there with NO and GB.
Just need to make the defense respectable. That’s the key to being a Super Bowl contender in 2012.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
“Steve = Mark Davis
Jerry = Amy Trask
Dell = Reggie McKenzie
Sullivan = Lance Kiffen
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Agreed”
One slight adjustment
Sullivan = John Wayne Gacy that has not been caught yet
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Hysterical!!!
January 7th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Raiders should add two more running backs. One to replace Bush if (when) he leaves, and one to replace DMac if (when) he gets injured again.
Round the group out with Taiwan Jones who may or may not be healthy next season, and see what Lonyae Miller can do, and the Raiders will have a running game that can do enough.
But no team can lean on their running game if they want to beat elite playoff teams.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Just need to make the defense respectable. That’s the key to being a Super Bowl contender in 2012.
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I’d include, turnover differential, top 6 defensive ranking, clock management, stopping 99 and 1/2 yard drives and winning in November and December among those “keys”.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
I like Lonyae Miller. Interested to see if he can earn a roster spot next preseason. I think he’s a player.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
morilla Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
People were bagging on O.Co last night, I actually like the place. If they don’t have the money so be it. Keep playing there. Maybe pony up some cash for a new jumbotron. Besides that, it’s a great place to watch a game.
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100% CORRECT!
January 7th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Inaccurate comparison. RBs are MUCH easier to find than QBs
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Are you sure? Look at the Kim’s, ponders etc.
What rookie RB stands out? Seems like a quality RB is a rare commodity that is getting harder to find.
Just askin.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
Like what I’m seeing.
We have a GM that’s not only in touch with today’s game, he also believes in letting the coaches coach. This doesn’t necessarily mean we’ll win it all, but we’ll never lose 11 or more games for 7 straight seasons again, that’s for sure.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
Elephant in the room: Al being gone improves our chances of getting a stadium.
January 7th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
If there was a way to build around Jack London, that would be perfect. Anyone know if it’s possible? I know you have rail yards and ports, which I assume are still active. Jack London is an area they’ve been redeveloping anyway.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Are you sure? Look at the Kim’s, ponders etc.
What rookie RB stands out? Seems like a quality RB is a rare commodity that is getting harder to find.
Just askin.
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Murray, Helu, Royster, and Hunter have the looks of eventual starters. Rodgers looks like he’ll be a key role player for the Falcons, as Sproles is for the Saints.
The class would likely look more impressive if Ryan Williams and Mikel LeShore didn’t get hurt.
Personally, I was never much of a fan of Ingram or Thomas.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Baseball stadium, football stadium, and arena, all in the same parking lot.
30 years ago, it was just one multipurpose stadium.
BTW…30 years ago and today…this is all on the tax payer’s dime. #socialsm for the rich
January 7th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Charles Barkley on SNL tonight, you party animals.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Even then, a true “starting RB” is a rare these days because teams are more frequently rotating their running backs, which helps keep their players fresh.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
yea tim brown was over rated,but then there are too many players to list that only dream of being over rated like tim
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First wide receiver to win the Heisman Trophy
NFL rookie-season record for most combined yards gained, with 2,317 (1988).
NFL record 10 consecutive seasons with at least 75 receptions
NFL record for consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdowns scored (11) – shared with Marvin Harrison, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens, & Jerry Rice
NFL record for consecutive seasons with at least 5 touchdown receptions (11) – shared with Marvin Harrison, Don Hutson, Cris Carter, Terrell Owens, & Jerry Rice
NFL record for being the oldest player ever to score a touchdown on special teams – (35 years, 140 days) 85 yard punt return
NFL record for most consecutive games with more than one reception (147 games, 1993–2002)
NFL record for being the oldest player with 12+ receptions in a single game – (36 years, 97 days): 10/27/02 @ KC Chiefs, 13 receptions, 144 receiving yards
NFL record for consecutive starts by a wide receiver: 176
Only player to have 1,600 receiving yards against four different teams (Broncos, Chiefs, Chargers, Seahawks)
Holds the following team records with the Los Angeles/Oakland Raiders:
Games (240) and seasons (16) played
Touchdowns (104)
Receiving (14,734 yards, 1,070 receptions, 99 touchdowns)
Punt return (3,272 punt-return yards, 320 punt returns, 3 punt returns for touchdowns)
All-purpose yards (19,431)
Yards from scrimmage (14,924
i wish i was over rated as well
January 7th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Raiders for life,
Sorry I called u a dumbass….too much crOwn and coke tonight.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Yo I need some votes on a new DJ name from my blog fans -
I’m thinkin’ Dr. Respect. Or MC Mad Props.
Yo I just puff n stuffed a huge blunt and am way stoney. I’m thinking about macking on this Vietnamese surfer babe from El Cajon, unless anyone knows where I can stream some vintage Weird Al.
STEP UP B4 U GET MESSED UP SIZZLE
January 7th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
Lest we forget the long list of QBs Tim Brown had throwing to him throughout his career.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Could any of you please answer me about Jack London, possibilities of a stadium? Then I promise I’ll let you guys get back to your pressing discussion on 3rd string long snappers.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
When u consider the number of head coaches and starting qbs Tim brown had to deal with his numbers are remarkable.
Hall of famer for sure.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
fukc this. Goodnight. Don’t bother responding.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
One more thing, I dont’ believe McKenzie’s going to fire Hue Jackson. McKenzie might choose Hue’s defensive coordinator, though. Which is fine. Anything’s better than what we had. Well, goodnight. Don’t bother responding.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
MR melts down completely on his own.. lol
January 7th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
I just wanted to discuss the stadium. But forget it. Whatever. Goodnight. Don’t bother.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I am looking so forward to next year.
Our OL is going to get even more stout (insert Bruce Campbell, yes sir!). We WILL get a new DC and the changes that come with it! (This team has a LOT of talent on defense but incompetence at the top, which killed our season – along with injuries. Give us an average defense we were definitely in the playoffs and legit Super Bowl contenders). Last but not least, Carson Palmer gets an offseason with the WRs and the playbook.
2012 is going to be a great year.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Jack London, decent author, harry Houdini nailed his wife. That’s all I know about him madden raider.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Tim Brown was a great Hall of Fame player. Every Raider fan who watched him knows he should be a slam dunk Hall of Famer.
Another guy that Jerry “Debbie Downer” McDonald tries to marginalize for no apparent reason.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Dakota…it’s all good.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Madden Retard’s mom just called him to get his tube socks out of the dryer.
He’ll be back after he takes his nightly dosage of Sudafed.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
one more thing…Eddie DeBartolo is a HOF finalist, too. Bet you he gets in. (get it, bet?) Goodnight. Just scroll on.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Al wanted a stadium next to public transportation. Not sure how much that changes with Mark.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
One more thing…did you know the FBI has a running joke, they call the DeBartolo arrest “the catch”. Yeah, don’t laugh. Just scroll on and fukc off . Goodnight.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Why don’t fire up a sockpuppet if you’re that desperate for some attention?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I don’t think Al could get enough investors to build a lemonade stand. He wasn’t exactly running the microsoft of NFL franchises. Things changed. Raiders are already an entirely different franchise from what they were when Al was alive a few months ago. New GM, franchise QB, etc. No more Al to come in and blow it all up. Investors more likely to call now.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
I am looking so forward to next year.
Our OL is going to get even more stout (insert Bruce Campbell, yes sir!). We WILL get a new DC and the changes that come with it! (This team has a LOT of talent on defense but incompetence at the top, which killed our season – along with injuries. Give us an average defense we were definitely in the playoffs and legit Super Bowl contenders). Last but not least, Carson Palmer gets an offseason with the WRs and the playbook.
2012 is going to be a great year.
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This post is dead on. I agree wholeheartedly.
I would just add that it’s contingent upon keeping Hue as our head coach and play caller.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
And fukc LA! You guys are getting the Chargers, Dakota! Los Angeles Super Chargers!!! Get your season tix now, Dakota.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Still hard to win a SB. Look at the teams that win. Darling franchises, except maybe Steelers. Not saying it can’t happen, but I wouldn’t hold my breath. I just want to be a playoff team year in and year out. That would be nice.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
PlunkforHOFlame, you’re a major blog goober, but I know funny – and THAT was funny
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PlunkforHOF Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Why don’t fire up a sockpuppet if you’re that desperate for some attention?
January 7th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
So None of u guys can admit the mOvie “always” tugs on your heart strings? Puzzies
January 7th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Goodnight you guys! Happy Sunday.
Steelers 6, Denver 3. Tebow throws for 12 total passing yards. Goodnight.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Rare praise from Capt Stuebbing.. Thanks Beech
January 7th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Beecham in the house.
Get down on it.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Qodrn1, thanks for posting the NYTimes article on John Madden after Al’s death. (previous thread)
From the article:
“ ‘He [Al]would just tell me he made a mistake on this guy or that guy and he had to get this thing straightened out,’ Madden said. ‘He never got that general manager in there that he wanted.’”
Why do you guys think Al never did hire a GM? Do you think he was simply too weak, too feeble the last three years to interview people and make that decision? He said on more than one occasion that he had someone in mind…just for speculation’s sake, do you think he really did or that he was trying to stave off fan criticism with that remark or that, as I said first, he was just too tired and ill to get it done?
I really wish he could have gone out a winner.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
Al couldnt stand to hire a gm and then watch that guy get credit if the team won. Just his nature.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Al probably realized hiring a gm was the right thing to do, but his pride probably prevented him doing so.
January 7th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
RFL, the suite party is poppin’ and that last bong load went straight to me membrane.
Thankfully the Beeech Dog’s got mad beef jerky logged in his tighty whities.
Yo Plunk that was an epic bag on Madden Retard. Keep up the good work and some day I’ll let you sample the shrimp cocktails (the cocktail sauce is a small $17.95 surcharge)
FUNKY COLD BEEECHDINA
January 7th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
DHB > Crabtree …hahahaha …looks like Al got that one right.
But the defense should be completely embarrassed. Time and time again we saw that same sht all season. They couldn’t/wouldn’t stop anybody! Its crazy as hell because you can watch them play some games or some halves and they’ll straight dominate you! Then go to sleep.
Thats on the DC. I don’t even want to type that dudes name it irks me so.
You’ve got LBs covering WRs, DEs covering TEs/WRs, repeated safety blitzes FROM THE WRONG SIDE! …and you see this sht over and over again.
Fk’ ..blame Rex Ryan for torpedoing this season from the beginning by not giving us Thurman. Bastard!
January 7th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Thankfully the Beeech Dog’s got mad beef jerky logged in his tighty whities.
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Hope it aint peppered.
YOU CAN’T TOUCH THIS
January 7th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
DHB > Crabtree …hahahaha …looks like Al got that one right.
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I 98.99% agree with this comment.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
The same Al Davis that got you D.Moore, S.Wisniewski, J.Barksdale, J.Veldheer, C.Chekwa, J.Ford, etc, is the same Al Davis that got you T.Pryor
January 7th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
oops, big fugg up on my part. i meant to say john mackey instead of bob mackey of the old bmore colts.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Yo where did Dakota and his burrito cart go?
Gs, I got super stoney and sent all my shorties to Del Taco for cheese burgers.
Man, I’m straight trippin’ out to Planet Earth. Anyone else see that slo mo of the Great White breachin’ on that seal homie?
SHORTY GOT STRAIGHT UP PLAYED
January 7th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
386.YoungAmerican Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Except for some kind of miracle season, Pryor would not have been a 1st or 2nd round pick. The kid was simply never that good. Lots of hype, crazy physical tools. Inconsistent performance. Mental errors. Inability to read defenses. Inaccurate passes. Run-first QB in a spread offense. Wasted pick.
DMac had 8 games with less than 10 carries in 2008, 8 games with less than 10 carries in 2009, and even in his only 1000-yard season? He was shut out v.s. Miami, Indianapolis, Pittsburgh, and Houston. We’re not talking about Superman here. We’re talking about a guy who, even when healthy, CAN be stopped by good defensive teams. The Raiders can’t lean on him if they intend to get past elite AFC teams like the Steelers and Ravens. Moreover, even when he’s not sitting out because of injury, injuries have limited his effectiveness.
He’s a great player when healthy. But when is he healthy? And even when he is, he’s not unstoppable.
For a team with as many holes as the Raiders have? a $6 million part-time player is absolutely a luxury.
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your description of pryor is jake locker and he was a 1rst round pick. get over yourself with that bullsh1t.
pryor would be up there with the better qbs in this draft. might not have been the best but surely a top qb prospect. dmc didnt carry much his 1rst few years cuz we all knew cable was an idiot for playing fargas ahead of him and bush. all rb’s get shutdown and that same miami defense shut us down this year 2. your analysis of him is all wrong. he is an elite back and just cuz YOU think he is so replaceable doesnt mean its true.so playing 13 games a year is problematic 2 you? frank gore has 2 full seasons out of his 7. he averaged about 14 games a year the other 5.dmc never played less than double digit games until this year. the man is a baller and will make this offense even better.you make some crazy internet trade scenarios. wtf does draft picks mean over a proven commodity? what if we dont get the guys YOU want with those picks? youll b!tch and complain about those players while dmc is kickin azz on another team. you just so full of it. he aint no damn luxury, you internet gm.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
I actually saw a post on another forum where a guy asked “Am I the only one who wnats Chuck Bresnahan back”? Someone responded: “No. All Denver fans want him back.”
January 7th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
How cool would it be to have a Raider defense on the field against an opposing team who is pinned at their own 10 yd. line (lets say), there’s 1:59 left in the game, and this opposing team needs to score a TD to beat the Raiders. And then this Raiders defense actually STOPS them from driving down the field at will and walks away with a victory?
How cool would it be to have a defense that would actually show enough talent, pride, and guts to actually get the job done?
Or how cool would it be to actually have a defense on the field that you didn’t have to say to yourself (or others) “here we go again. i knew it.” everytime that defense has to make a stop in any game deciding situation?
Seriously. Is that too much to ask? I feel like it is for some reason.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
i love all the idiots who think we should fire hue after one year, when all they did is complain about constant coaching turnover under al davis. he had us in contention for the f*king playoffs down to the last week! he’s basically an offensive coach and we had the #9 offense. this with our starting qb having a season ending injury and a new qb who had to get ready on the fly. and our #1 rb missing 10 weeks. and multiple wr’s going down thru the season.
we need a new defensive coordinator and some new defensive players.
should rex ryan be fired? he didn’t make the playoffs either. i mean what exactly didn’t hue do that was expected? is it his fault mcclain is so inconsistent? or wimbley is out of position. or routt is a PI machine? or cj went down early?
gimme a break.
January 7th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
455.and every body else we played
January 7th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
The Raider “D” this year exceeded even my harshest most negative assessments and expectations.
I don’t know how many times I sat there in a befuddled nightmarish dreamland saying to myself “I can’t believe this is happening” “This isn’t really happening is it”?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Nob Raider, instead of worrying about our next defensive coordinator, how about working on getting a girlfriend?
Seriously dweeb, if you get off the blog, learn to toke fat Js and cancel your Netflix subscription you could stand a chance.
Don’t mean to slap you around when you’re obviously down in the dumps and running to the blog for comfort, but it’s not too late to turn your nerdy life around.
You’re welcome, the Beeech Diggity is always here to help his loyal minions!
January 8th, 2012 at 12:01 am
id like to know the stats on games and drives that we couldnt stop them,like SD scored on what 6 out of 7 ,or 6 out of 8 drives miami scored on damm near every drive green bay same thing .i know these numbers are not correct ,just those 3 games it was close to 24 drives with idk 20 touchdowns id like to know season totals ,it would probably make me puke
January 8th, 2012 at 12:03 am
I am really looking forward to McKenzie doing things to fix this defense. I don’t expect the 85 bears or 2000 ravens, but just a D that can make a damn stop when it counts. One that doesn’t allow itself to be punked like they were ALL YEAR LONG.
Please Reggie. DO SOMETHING about this.
Thanks.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:11 am
#461, aqua, don’t forget about Buffalo in the 2nd half. They scored TD’s on EVERY SINGLE DRIVE.
When a team NEEDED to score they just did whatever the heck they wanted to and we just bent over and took it.
Even games we won. KC at Arrowhead. 13-6 in the 4th and it took em 58 secs. to score. hey needed it, so they they got it. If we don’t win the coin toss we lose that game too. Same thing with Houston. Had em pinned and it was only a bad pass from Schaub at the goal line that saved us.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:18 am
Ran off to drown your sorrows in a bowl of Chocolate Cheerios, Nob Raider?
Don’t worry, it’s what we all expected
January 8th, 2012 at 12:24 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Could any of you please answer me about Jack London, possibilities of a stadium? Then I promise I’ll let you guys get back to your pressing discussion on 3rd string long snappers.
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I believe that area is set aside as a priority in building a ballpark to ATTEMPT to save the A’s. The only way to save the A’s and to justify the ballpark in Jack London is to have Lew Wolff join Mr Davis in that dimension.
There’s talks about developing the current Coliseum area into a spot similar to the LA Staples area to include an arena for the Warriors (while they’re discussing Mission Bay neighborhood SF arena) and a football only stadium. (There’s also talks, rumors and innuendos that Oakland folks HOPE Santa Clara may actually unravel in the last second, and Niners and Raiders do share a stadium in Oakland)
Don’t hold your breath. If Jean Quan handles the sports franchise as efficient as she handled the Occupy situation, the Raiders would rather play in Willits Cali than Oakland.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:26 am
What do you mean by how Jean Quan handled the Occupy situation?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:31 am
The reason I want Hue Jackson to get one more year is because the same people who I saw being blind loyalists to Al Davis when he was alive, no matter how bad his decisions were, are the same people who want Hue fired now. All this talk about Hue’s comments at this recent press conference…? We’ve heard this before. Reminds me of how they canted Kiffin gone like 2 weeks into 2007. And how they gushed over Gruden being traded back in ‘02, because he “didn’t want to be here anyway”. They said we would improve. A broken clock is right twice a day but these guys are NEVER right. Give Hue one more year, Reggie.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Thank God AL is dead. He should have been thrown out of the league or expelled from the partnership entity known as the “Raiders” after the club’s last SuperBowl win in 1983, when he discovered that making money through lawsuits was easier than making money winning football games. AL lost his mojo regarding fielding a championship team 29 years ago, and should be vilified for it.
The past 10 yrs were especially excruciating under AL’s leadership, while Hue Jackson’s tenure as HC was disgusting, at best.
Now Hue must go; McKenzie must attenuate AL’s taint, and purge anything AL lingering in the organization.
Fire Hue now!
January 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Jean Quan sent the OPD after the Occupiers like it was a gang meeting. Oakland’s refusal to work with the Raiders on a stadium has nothing to do with Oakland’s liberal politics. This is the city that spends like 90% of its budget on police. Stop watching FoxNews…proven to make you dumber (just look at MB). Oakland didn’t work with the Raiders because of AL DAVIS! Now that he’s gone, whole new ball game. I will hold my breath. I guarantee you wealthy investors are going to start calling the Raiders now.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:54 am
Hue is not an Al guy. No Al guy trades future draft picks for Carson Palmer. Nice try.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:57 am
I could read this a thousand times. Just beautiful. We Raider fans are not used to this:
“. . of course he does. McKenzie doesn’t take the job otherwise. He has been a candidate for GM before and it was a matter of time before he got hired. There’s no way he accepts any job without the ability to hire and/or fire his coach…
…Following the Green Bay model, McKenzie will stay out of Jackson’s way when it comes to on-field stuff. Mike McCarthy has input with the Packers but ultimately it’s Ted Thompson’s call when it comes to player acquisition, the draft, contracts, etc.”
January 8th, 2012 at 1:01 am
hmmmm……where did you come up with that gem, Sully? Hue was hired by AL and is AL’s guy. Just because Hue got uppity and stupid, over-estimated his ability to perform as a HC, while underestimating the task at hand, then traded away our immediate future for CP, doesn’t mean he isn’t an AL guy.
In this life there are many whose ambition outstrips their talent and intelligence. Hue belongs in that class of persons.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:04 am
You’re saying he’s Al’s guy because Al hired him? That means Kiffin is Al’s guy too, according to that logic. Al’s guy, Kiffin, who was lobbying Arkansas for a job within weeks of being hired and trying to bring his dad into Oakland to completely dismantle Al’s entire defensive system. Al’s guy. Sure. And then Jackson, Al’s guy…who, once Campbell gets hurt, trades half the damn farm for Carson Palmer. Like I said, nice try.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:05 am
“uppity”. haha. I missed that. fukc off. goodnight. Oh, and McKenzie’s giving Jackson one more year, just like Jerry predicted.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Keep Hue for one more season (at least); allow Hue ot pick his coaching staff as nearly all head coaches are allowed to do.
Reggie has the authority to trade, cut, draft, and/or sign players & scouts.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Hue will have to coach the roster Reggie provides him.
I do not expect many changes in personnel on offense, other than losing Bush, two recievers, and two linemen.
Defense, I expect half the squad, starters and bench to be different.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:12 am
Armond,454,with ya about DMac,I would never let him go,period.Does he get injured?Ya,watch him run and dish out the pain,And re sign Bush,maybe a two year deal.OL needs a bit of help,DEFENSE needs players,get ShoNasty back,LBs,and Dbs,good to Go
January 8th, 2012 at 1:45 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:52 am
Jean Quan sent the OPD after the Occupiers like it was a gang meeting. Oakland’s refusal to work with the Raiders on a stadium has nothing to do with Oakland’s liberal politics. This is the city that spends like 90% of its budget on police. Oakland didn’t work with the Raiders because of AL DAVIS! Now that he’s gone, whole new ball game. I will hold my breath. I guarantee you wealthy investors are going to start calling the Raiders now.
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I don’t watch TV nor news, let along FOX. I made the comment about Quan not because of politics, but because she’s clueless.
What “WEALTHY INVESTORS” from Oakland are YOU talking about?
It’s not Oakland “liberal Politics” that deters a stadium, OFMA burned a lot of bridges between Oakland and the team. Add to that your current Cali governor who was more committed adding out of town residents than saving professional teams without the adequate police protection for the residents and you see the mess that’s Oakland now.
January 8th, 2012 at 2:19 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:10 am
Hue will have to coach the roster Reggie provides him.
I do not expect many changes in personnel on offense, other than losing Bush, two recievers, and two linemen.
Defense, I expect half the squad, starters and bench to be different.
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I doubt we lose Bush. We need him as our hammer, and he can be very effective in that role as a long as he’s not made to carry the rock 25 times a game, week after week.
We’ll franchise Bush and either get him back, or restock our draft cupboards with the two first-rounders.
As for the line: Veldheer and Baby Wiz are keepers. I’d like to see Heyer move to LG with Wiz taking over the pivot, as they were awesome in the first SD game. Satele can stay on as a deluxe backup at Center and either Guard. Barnes and Carlisle I’m thoroughly meh about. Barksdale will presumably take one of their jobs, and Campbell will get one last shot in camp to prove he’s not an athlete trying futilely to play football.
Receiving corp: Moore, DHB and Ford as the top 3 guys with Murphy backing them up, and either Chaz or someone else as the #5 guy. We’re good to go.
QB: With a full training camp, Palmer will be the man. As for Pryor, let Reggie, Hue and Saunders decide whether he’s a pro QB or not. We do need a veteran backup.
Defense: Let Moss (or whoever) blow it up and start over. Half new starters (in year one alone) sounds about right. I’d rather have marginally talented football players than clueless speed/size freaks, and no doubt Reggie and co. feel the same way.
January 8th, 2012 at 4:28 am
If hue does stay him and Saunders need to figure out way better “inside the 20″ plans! We suX inside the red zone. That paperbag defense gave away a lot of point but we left a ton on the field also.
ANyone know or hear how Boss is doing?
January 8th, 2012 at 5:18 am
mortenson is a complete idiot plain and simple and jerry is an accomplice for even writing that article. If Mckenzie brings in someone else, so be it. But until then Hue is our coach and I will support him until he leaves. Either way, RM is our man and I believe he will do an excellent job.
GO RAIDERS!!!!!
January 8th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Got a story yesterday from Silver & Black Mag…
Hue and Reggie McKanzie are very close friends… Even share the same agent….
Those counting on Reggie firing Hue may have to wait for awhile…..
I think it’s a good idea to keep Hue on for
At least another season….Fix that Damn Defense first…
One of Hues Rookie mistakes was his mouth…
January 8th, 2012 at 5:25 am
Noticed the NFL channel has Philip Rivers on the show …they’ll be allover the Chokers again next year till Norv has them once again on a 5/ 6 game skid…
January 8th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Hue Jack City was doing all right until Al died. After that, the boy got too uppity. This is what happens when they get too much power. They can’t handle it. Ohbama, Hue Jack, or any gangster rapper.
January 8th, 2012 at 5:39 am
482 could be when al passed every one was kinda wow mr davis is mortal wow and then hue had marks ear and convinced him to sign palmer ,with better results that did happen and john madden said hey mgvbbhpph boom what are you doing get a gm out side of ear shot by hue.they probably felt they paid a bit much for the return
January 8th, 2012 at 6:01 am
When Al passed Mark was always going to hire a full-time specialized GM. Just had to wait till the end of this season before being able to interview and hire anyone. And when Al died, Madden was asked by Carol immediately. Long before Hue became a de facto GM or wanna-be GM, let alone before he started blowing it with Palmer trades etc.
January 8th, 2012 at 6:16 am
The Saints Offense is the most balanced Offense i ever seen!
January 8th, 2012 at 7:09 am
484.Raider Ray Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Hue Jack City was doing all right until Al died. After that, the boy got too uppity. This is what happens when they get too much power. They can’t handle it. Ohbama, Hue Jack, or any gangster rapper.
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U R A RETARD!!!
January 8th, 2012 at 7:15 am
has hue been fired yet?
January 8th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Ddwight Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 7:09 am
484.Raider Ray Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Hue Jack City was doing all right until Al died. After that, the boy got too uppity. This is what happens when they get too much power. They can’t handle it. Ohbama, Hue Jack, or any gangster rapper.
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U R A RETARD!!!
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I’m guessing you are colored.
January 8th, 2012 at 7:22 am
More talent 2011 than 2010.
Offense worse in 2011
Defense worse in 2011
Most penalties in NFL HISTORY
BYE BYE HUE
January 8th, 2012 at 7:22 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/08/hue-hasnt-gotten-any-assurances-yet/
There was a report making the rounds last night that Raiders coach Hue Jackson already has received an assurance from new G.M. Reggie McKenzie that Jackson will return in 2012. Though it’s possible that Jackson eventually will receive such a guarantee, a source with direct knowledge of the situation tells us that hasn’t happened, yet.
While tracking down the truth on this one, we’ve learned that McKenzie will indeed have full control over the football operations, notwithstanding any power or influence Jackson may have acquired and/or usurped following the passing of owner Al Davis. And we’ve confirmed that McKenzie will have the power to hire and fire the head coach of the team.
McKenzie, who’ll be officially introduced as the new G.M. on Tuesday, and Jackson soon will commence a series of meetings and communications, which may have already begun, regarding the future of the team. Agent Kennard McGuire, who represents both men, is believed to be working hard to ensure that the two men are on the same page. And despite speculation and/or rumors that Jackson could be on the way out, there’s no reason — yet — to believe that McKenzie will decide to move on from Jackson.
Still, it’s not impossible that a change will be made. And in large part the outcome will hinge on whether Jackson is willing to retreat from being an NFL head coach with considerable power over personnel to simply being an NFL head coach. When the alternative is being a former NFL head coach, it would be wise for Jackson to kiss McKenzie’s ring (or other regions) and comply with the wishes of the new boss.
January 8th, 2012 at 7:50 am
News in Denver, game time 35 degrees 6 inches of snow, sunny. I have $75 in bets on Pitt. One guy I gave 14 points. Donky fans have no confidence they will win ( except those Polly Anna’s at the game) Broncos are pissed that New England hired back McDaniels because he will be with them IF the Donks can Pitt.
January 8th, 2012 at 7:55 am
I expect Pitt to win …the Donks are in the middle of their typical 6 game slide…
By the Game 6 next season theyll be comparing Tebow to Kordell Stewart …and the other cant miss Donkey Qbs that have played in Donktown since Elway..
January 8th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Reggie….. leave the offense alone for one more season… focus on the defense! With San Diego retaining Norv (loser) and the Chief rebuilding and the Broncos with (Tebow Time) the Raiders are primed to dominate the division like the early 2000’s….. Leave Hue for one more season, than decide….. but Reggie… Commit to the Defense!
January 8th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I like Bush (hehehe), but I don’t see being able to pay $5 mil + per year for multiple years for a No. 2 back. If for no other reason than there is always a large supply of solid RBs in this league.
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I agree a 100% with this post. It will be exciting to see what Mckenzie has in store for us at the RB position.
Reggie is a smart man, he won’t pay starter money to Bush, and Bush will get the money elsewhere as he should get paid. I’m wondering who Reggie will hook us up with, whether it’s draft, FA or trade.
I would love to have a guy like Lynch, Hillis or Forte. But these guys will demand $ being starters. I would love to see a trade for Jacobs. Mcfadden and Jacobs would be a bad backfield, but then again we have nothing to trade. LOL
January 8th, 2012 at 8:01 am
I try to remind Donkey fans of Norris Weese (look him up) as Donkey QB in the early 80’s he ran more than he threw. Fans knew then aQB like that couldn’t win. So what’s different today? I guess Weese did claim Jesus was helping him win.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Does anyone want to pay starter money to McFadden?
January 8th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I’ll bet McKenzie wishes he could rework Stanford Routts contract….
January 8th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Comment from that PFT article…
Reggie McKenzie got a front row seat for a GM gaining authority over an existing HC in the Ted Thompson/Mike Sherman year. It was a 4-12 year. It’s been strongly suggested that Mike Sherman did not handle the demotion well and Thompson didn’t have much choice but to can him.
Kenard McGuire would do well to advise Hue Jackson of that situation prior to any conversation between McKenzie and Jackson. Because I’m guessing McKenzie will have his radar up for any hint that Jackson houses any bitterness over being cut out of personnel decisions.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:12 am
McFadden had his doubters … Then looked really good… Got hurt and the doubters are back…. I think McFadden has to comeout and Re/ establish himself…..he’s gonna have to show that he’s not an injury waiting to happen… IMO the jury’s still out on McFadden…..I can’t see much trade value in an often injured RB …we have to hope he’s gonna be alright …much the same with Palmer … The Raiders paid a steep price … I’m hoping it was worth it…
January 8th, 2012 at 8:14 am
498.RaiderTW Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Does anyone want to pay starter money to McFadden?
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I have not seen anything to refute that DMAC could have indeed played those final two games. All I saw was it would have been “painful” for him to do so. While there’s always a risk of further damage to a prior injury, the Dr. acknowledged there was no reason medically DMAC shouldn’t/couldn’t play; it was just a matter of how much pain he could take.
I have trouble with DMAC not getting out there and taking the pain. This is the NFL where guys play with pain all the time; sometimes alot of it. They get a shot where it hurts, and buck up and earn their generous paychecks.
If all that is true, than DMAC only hurts himself (financially), so why would he not “man up” and play?
Maybe we don’t know the whole story, but I have not seen anything to refute that he could have.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:14 am
If Hue isn’t on the same page as McKenzie then he’s gonna be shown the door….
I’m ok with that…
January 8th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I’ll bet McKenzie wishes he could rework Stanford Routts contract….
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I wish he could as well!
Al got suckered on that deal because of his decent contract year.
If you watch Routt of late, he’s back to his old slot playing days self. Absolutely raping the WR beyond 5 yards. Easy calls for the ref!
January 8th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Deja … Agree.. Routt regressed last year….the whole D regressed…. Saw the same old tired tackling issues … Missed assignments and gap play..
January 8th, 2012 at 8:19 am
your description of pryor is jake locker and he was a 1rst round pick. get over yourself with that bullsh1t.
pryor would be up there with the better qbs in this draft. might not have been the best but surely a top qb prospect. dmc didnt carry much his 1rst few years cuz we all knew cable was an idiot for playing fargas ahead of him and bush. all rb’s get shutdown and that same miami defense shut us down this year 2. your analysis of him is all wrong. he is an elite back and just cuz YOU think he is so replaceable doesnt mean its true.so playing 13 games a year is problematic 2 you? frank gore has 2 full seasons out of his 7. he averaged about 14 games a year the other 5.dmc never played less than double digit games until this year. the man is a baller and will make this offense even better.you make some crazy internet trade scenarios. wtf does draft picks mean over a proven commodity? what if we dont get the guys YOU want with those picks? youll b!tch and complain about those players while dmc is kickin azz on another team. you just so full of it. he aint no damn luxury, you internet gm.
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Nothing about Pryor indicates he’s a top prospect. Might be better than Gabbert. Locker came from a pro-style offense so at least he has that going for him. But desperation was the only reason there was a run on QBs last season. Ponder, Gabbert, and Locker would be 3rd round prospects or later (Gabbert would have been a 5th rounder) in any other draft. Desperation is no reason to draft a QB (see: JaMarcus Russell).
Fargas played over DMac because DMac’s turf toe injury hampered him his first two seasons. No other reason than that. Do you think Al Davis would have let McFadden ride the pine in favor of Fargas if McFadden was healthy? Get real.
You’re right. All RBs get shut down. That’s why the RB position isn’t worth $5 million. If it was, the Vikings and Chargers and Jaguars would all have Lombardi trophies.
He’ll make the offense better, WHEN HEALTHY. All he has proven is that he can’t be counted on to be healthy. The Raiders need to look for a more durable (or at least a younger) perimeter runner.
What do draft picks mean? Draft picks mean building for the future. McFadden has two years left on his contract. Given his injury history, the only contract he should be offered after that is one that reflects a role of a part-time player – which is exactly what McFadden has proven himself to be.
If the Raiders want to acquire more draft picks so they can start re-building a team that is stocked with overpaid, non-contributing players, they don’t have much ammunition to do so. The only player they have “worth” a high pick is McFadden. Personally, I wouldn’t trade much for McFadden, but there are teams who think the way you do – who are enamored with potential, even when that potential comes with massive red flags. If the Raiders can get a multiple picks including a second-rounder or higher for a guy they can’t count on to be healthy down the stretch? For a guy who in all likelihood they won’t be able to justify re-signing after his contract anyway? For a guy who WILL NOT help them beat elite defenses and get over that playoff hump? In my opinion, they’d be stupid not to take it.
But of course, smart teams wouldn’t give up a 2nd rounder for McFadden because there are plenty of good running backs who can be drafted in the 2nd round this season. But if a team bites, and the opportunity presents itself? The Raiders should absolutely pull the trigger.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Reggie is gonna clean house! He will retain Hu most likely but Chuck B. is toast. Reggie doesn’t give a F@*k about Al’s legacy and who he hired last. Reggie is showing up with a can of Febreze the size of a Boeing 747. Book it mutha truckers!
January 8th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Joker… Yep… They can’t get Bresnahan outta Oakland Fast enough for me….
January 8th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I just dont understand where all this McKenzie wanting to fire Hue Jack speculation is coming from. It doesn’t make any sense to me.
This is a top 10 offense. When healthy, they’re well into the top 10, maybe top 5. You don’t start over from that.
Some of you are just CRAZY! Hue Jack is the man. Ever since he too over that offense we have been putting up points not seen since 2000, practically overnight.
Just get us a DC and lets go to work. Do this and we are in the playoffs without a doubt. Do this and we are definitely Super Bowl contenders.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue and the new GM will work together to build on an 8/8 record and near playoff team Hue engineered this past season. A GM starting with information based on that mentioned above would feel compelled to work with a head coach to get a few added pieces to win an extra game next season to get the Raiders in the playoffs.Firing of a head coach based on Hue’s record as 1st year head coach would make no sense at all. Especially with an organiaztion that had no winning record for about a decade. I am very surprised any Raider fan that know what Raiders were for the last decade and know how close the Raiders are to winning would be willing to start from scratch again.
The New GM is NFL friendly and I feel that is the first step to and equal playing field. If the Raiders can make positive changes before plays and after plays places them closer to the door step of the playoffs.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:25 am
There were many armchair gm’s on THIS BLOG who didn’t like the Routt contract. I voiced that I didn’t and was presented with stats that backed up that he was somewhat of a top tier CB. “Burn ratio”/number of passes incomplete when he is targeted etc.
I think even with the embarrassing stats like being the most penalized player in the league, there are Routt fans who can present us with more stats telling us how great this guy is.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I hear ya Fingers!
I don’t even know where to start on the D, it was down right pathetic! I’m glad we have Reggie here to straighten that mess out.
There’s only so much you can do with these dumb players. You see Woodson tearing them a new one, shouting things like “look up for the ball” etc..
I’m afraid we don’t clean house on D this year, unless Reggie had a plan with young, low paying players. Only having like 4 draft picks and the highest salary pay out isn’t looking good for an overhaul this year.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:30 am
What would u guys rather have heard from Hue at the end of the season?
-”I’m pissed. I’m disappointed. The defense didn’t do it’s job’ etc.
…or
-”We just came up a lttle short that’s all”
-”Sure we’re disappointed, but I think overall we had a pretty good season considering everything that transpired.”
I’m glad we have a HC that almost cares as much as we do.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:32 am
509.510
Good posts.
Seem like many in here are the sky is falling types. If everything is looking good they have to find the bad. Even if it is not there. Im looking forward to next season. We dont have alot of spots to fill to be a top team. Some players here and there and we will be a very good team.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Not sure where to start on D either .. But a New DC seems like a good place to start ..
January 8th, 2012 at 8:37 am
What I would have rather heard from Hue at the end of the season…
- “I’m disgusted with how our season finished. From 7-4 to 8-8 is unacceptable, and the blame falls entirely on me — me being the HC running the entire roster and coaching staff. The players we have are talented enough, but it all comes down to poor coaching, I just didn’t get us to where I thought and promised I could get us. The penalties, the failings on offense, defense, and special teams, were all short of where I aimed.”
January 8th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Remember in Houston? The last play of the game we had TEN men on the field and still got the int.?
TEN on the field at the most critical play of the game.
Alot of people (media/fans) just laughed it off as “..well Al Davis was the 11th man” but to not have your crap together at moments like that reflect on the guy who is responsible for maiing sure there are the right amount of players on the field. ESPECIALLY in crucial moments like that one.
There is NO WAY Bresnahan stays.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:39 am
If Hue can work with McKenzie then I’m fine with Hue
Staying on ….that’s the key… Gotta be able to with with the GM
January 8th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Q: Do you feel you could’ve done better if McFadden wasn’t injured, Shaughnessy, Ford and Moore in and out, etc?
Hue: Losing players never helps, but I’ve been preaching the “next man up” attitude, and frankly I just didn’t get the next men up to play to an acceptable standard that can at least cover for the losses of key players. Really, injuries are a part of football, every team suffers thru them, it’s just excuses to use that card. Basically, the system I’ve been building here wasn’t up to scratch yet. What I mean is, where a Tom Brady goes down for the season, but a Matt Cassel can come in carry the load, the next man up.”
January 8th, 2012 at 8:46 am
GG, Hue would have been telling the truth if he had said all that, except for the “we have enough talent” part.
I think they have enough talent to stop a 991/2 yd. TD drive with no timeouts and less than 2 mins. to play though.
Hue IS responsible ultimately for the WHOLE TEAM not just the offense and I agree he should have done more in that regard especially if he admits he knew they sucked as early as the Buffalo game.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:48 am
#519 another example of what should’ve been said.
I’m just thinking of how the best coaches out there answer all those types of questions. They are measured and take the heat. They don’t try to deflect blame/excuses, EVEN WHEN there ARE mitigating reasons/people to blame/excuse.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Fire Bresnahan! Let lito walk and pick up finnegan.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I think our defense was soooo bad that even IF they got lucky and made a stop on that 99 yd. drive AND Palmer drives down and scores a TD to go up 33-31…we still lose if there is any time left for Rivers.
I would have been an excruciating 34-33 final. At least.
I wanna a defense that we don’t have to worry about that kind of disaster happening.
January 8th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Post 522, Agreed!
January 8th, 2012 at 8:58 am
I don’t think Lito Shepherds coming back… Only signed him due to
Injurys to The other Cbs…
January 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I’ll say this tho…
People been using McFadden and Campbell as big losses, “name me another team that lost their starting QB and RB”.
But look at what Hue got out of Bush! He rushed for over 1,000 yards over 7 or 8 games. With 8 TDs. The ‘next man up’ at RB was just as effective, even tho he’s not a home-run hitter like Dmac, his production was still on a par with Dmac. The rushing didn’t lose much if anything.
While at QB, apart from that KC game with Palmer just signing, Hue actually significantly upgraded the QB position. Next game, Denver, we blew that game, Palmer wasn’t clueless like KC. And then we went on a 3 game winning streak with Palmer playing his best. So thru all that, Palmer was well acclimated. Not an excuse the “palmer needed more time.”
Whilst Shaughnessy is a very good player, we didn’t lose much with Jarvis Moss initially, and after he had a bad game, Des Bryant came in and played incredibly well, really came of age. And he always had Wimbley to rotate thru there too that he neglected to use more of.
The DB and LB play was always poor, but it was always poor from the very first game to the very last, and the losses there were mainly the rookie CBs. Lito Shephard the vet actually filled in well for the most part, and Giordano played very well that Huff wasn’t missed.
So all these injury excuses, a lot of them really weren’t crippling like people make out.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:01 am
Dj…everytime I thought Palmer might mount a comeback the Defense just allowed Rivers to slice them up…couldn’t make a stop… Not 1….. Pitiful …
January 8th, 2012 at 9:02 am
GG Says
I respect what you are saying, but remember Hue took the blame all season. Now the Raiders are at the end of the season. Do you think if he took the blame where most of the failings are at the last press conference would have promed the Raiders fans that he had a clue where he felt major adjustments needed to be made? He did not call anyone out by name. Hue made if known what he felt and felt strongly about it, that the Raiders were not in the playoff because the defense as a whole failed them. I don’t see the wrong in that!
January 8th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Not sure if anyone noted this already, but PFT article posted today mentions Hue and McKenzie share the same agent. Could be helpful in us keeping Hue.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I dont think we need whole sales changes on defence. I think with a new DC and a few players here and there they will suprise everyone.
I have only coached 7th and 8th grade players. But one thing I do know is you have to play to the strengths of your players. Chuck didn’t do that. Everyone in here knows McClain shouldn’t be 20 yards down field covering a WR. Everyone knows LB/DE’s shouldn’t be covering pro bowl TE’s.
I think the players know that to. I think the sloppy play had a lot to do with the stupid defensive calls. How hard is a guying to go when he’s rolling his eyes and knows he going to get beat when the call comes in.
Plus all the confusion in the secondary. This has to show up in practice and they still go out and run it when the young guys don’t know it. I would say our problems on D were 70% scheme and coaching and 30% players. If we get a good DC you will see a huge change on defense.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:06 am
GG Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I’ll say this tho…
People been using McFadden and Campbell as big losses, “name me another team that lost their starting QB and RB”.
But look at what Hue got out of Bush! He rushed for over 1,000 yards over 7 or 8 games. With 8 TDs. The ‘next man up’ at RB was just as effective, even tho he’s not a home-run hitter like Dmac, his production was still on a par with Dmac. The rushing didn’t lose much if anything.
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Big drop off in the running game after McFadden went down. Not initially, but Bush wound up averaging 3.9 per carry while McFadden was at I believe 5.6.
Saw an article quoting Marcus Allen as saying McFadden’s absence really affected what defenses were doing to us because, while Bush is solid, defenses weren’t afraid of him getting to the edge and breaking off big runs.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:08 am
When we almost got the safety in the SD game i was pretty confident Palmer would march down for the score.
When they placed the ball at the half yard line, i had flashbacks of the Buffalo and Detroit game. I knew that D couldn’t be counted on to make one lousy stop!
I damn near head butt my flat screen after that big run from the goal line and the rest was history!
January 8th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Having a coach who can use multiple defensive fronts effectively would help hide some of Wimbley, McClain, and Curry’s inadequacies.
Mostly, the Raiders need younger and more disciplined players on the defensive line. And they need to add one big-time playmaker.
One playmaker, especially a RDE or OLB who can help seal the edge and pressure the QB on a consistent basis, would make a HUGE difference for this defense.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Get real!
Our defense was substandard.
We aren’t in the playoffs because even though we passed all freaking day on the bolts, when we got to the red zone Huejack called runs and kicked field goals Stupid. We could have won that shootout.
Wee are not in the playoffs because 3rd and 2 in the 4th and Hujacks calls a deep pass which gives the ball back to Detroit against out lay-down defense. That was the season right there.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:11 am
2romes…
Hue threw everyone under the bus in that presser.
But the thing I mostly have a problem with Hue about is the stuff about wanting more power (yet admitting he wore too many hats), and that he wants more power, and that he promises to fix it now because now he knows what’s wrong, every week saying the same nonsense about how he will fix it next week, then next week, etc. Plus, how he said “now the season’s over I can say what I really think”.
Plus, him just always babbling. I have a problem with his Rexisms like “greatest trade in history” and “build a bully” etc. Looking back, there was just far too much talk and babble. I hate it when people ask a question and the coach babbles on for paragraphs not really saying anything.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:12 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 9:05 am
I dont think we need whole sales changes on defence. I think with a new DC and a few players here and there they will suprise everyone.
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I agree. As bad as the D was this year I think it was more about poor schemes and not holding players accountable for lack of discipline and effort. I think there is significant talent to start with over there.
McClain is the one big name guy I could do without. I don’t see any sense in keeping him unless we switch to a 3-4. He’s not a legit 4-3 MLB. Limited range. Lousy effort. Not a great guy to have leading your defense.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:13 am
defenses weren’t afraid of him getting to the edge and breaking off big runs.
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The sad thing is that the Raiders could have really helped themselves by adding another RB who could be that perimeter/off-tackle runner. DMac and Jones are both cut from that mold, but both got injured and never got healthy.
Even a practice squad-caliber guy could have helped. He wouldn’t have needed to be a game changer, just a guy who would help the Raiders open up the playbook a little and keep defenses honest. But when Bush was the only real RB on the roster, defenses could bring pressure from the edges without having to worry about getting burned by the outside run.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:18 am
507. I blasted Al as much as anybody, but you can’t knock his legacy. Reggie respects that, and I am sure Hue will stay as Head Coach. Bresnahan will be “officially” gone soon, and the team goes from there.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:19 am
I keep seeing how Hue “threw everyone under the bus” during that last post-game presser. I think that’s more than a little overstated.
He said he was “pissed” at his players. That players need to make plays. That he expects more from the defense and Chuck B knows that (only when asked specifically about Chuck).
It was really nothing out of line or inaccurate. It was stuff we all feel, only watered in intensity because he’s the coach. Didn’t throw anyone specific under the bus. I have no idea what all the fuss is about except for the fact that some of the beat writers framed it as Hue throwing people under the bus. I didn’t see it that way at all. I think, when specifically asked about these issues, he said what everyone saw without naming anyone specific.
What’s the problem?
January 8th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Hue’s play-call failure…
We only had like 8 plays that he ran constantly, and that he ran predictably on down and distance. When Hue noticed Bush’s ypc were starting to drop from inside rushes, teams keying in on Hue’s predictability, he KEPT doing the same plays and on the same down and distances for the most part. He should’ve been calling play-action after play-action on 1st and 2nd downs far more, and hitting Boss/Myers far more across the middle to force defenses to hesitate and drop their coverage back a few extra yards. Upping the pass:run ratio to soemthing like 65:35 during the 1st half in order to force teams back more anticipating the pass, then feeding Bush.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
McKenzie should take a critical look at Jackson.
Even Norv knew when to set the running game aside and pass.
8-8 with this offensive talent is unacceptable.
to make my point:
Patriots are 31st in defense this year.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
GG Says:
It get it!!! I am upset about all the talk and not getting it done too. I just think getting the Raiders to change Hue overplayed the role as cheerleader. You want less talk and better results and so do I. Your point taken and noted.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
When you look back on the season, the Defense either cost us the game or came close to blowing the game in 12 of 16 games! The other 4 we were out of going to the 4th. Worst defense in Raider history, imo. Seymour needs to take a pay cut or be traded, imo.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:24 am
541. Yes and the Patriots had Tom Brady for 16 games. We had Jason Campbell for 6, Kyle Boller for 1, and a just off-the-couch Carson Palmer for 9, equivalent to training camp. Very poor comparison!
January 8th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Sure the D was poor. But the Packers and the Saints have the worst D stats in the NFL. Our offence wasn’t that good – Ok I know we needed DMac but ultimately we should have kept Lechler off the field.
Hue didn’t deliver – and he says he’s a winner. We didn;t win.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:26 am
This is an example to of how Hue was still trying to force the “build a bully” mentality tho he kinda stopped talking about it. He kept calling HB dives every 1st and 2nd down, that “you know we’re going to run the ball and where but you’re not gonna stop it” attitude that was an example of his stubbornness to ‘build a bully’ philosophy.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:29 am
McFadden is in his last year of his contract, and salary cap number is less than what it has been in the past.
We just have to pray he stays healthy, and make a decision at the end of next year and see what he produces in 2012.
Same thing as Bush. Now that we, and the rest of the NFL, see if he a quality backup who can be capable of starting for a month or so, we do not need to panic on his FA status.
Offer him somewhere around 3 years, $9 million, with $5 million guaranteed, and that should be right around what anyone else would pay him.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Defense needs to be way better.
That being said, It doesn’t mean sh@t if you kill your opponents with efficient offense.
patriots 31st in D this year but it doesn’t matter because everytime they get the ball they score.
Raiders 16th in red zone TD scoring. that’s just bad red zone play calling.
And as far as this under the bus thing, how can he blame the players when he calls such bad red zone plays?
If you can pass your way to the 20, why you running in the red zone w a 3.5 rushing average in the game? Especially when running did not get you inside the 20. Stupid.
And Hue did this all season. he’s an okay coach. Just okay. same record as Cable.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Seymour needs to take a pay cut or be traded, imo.
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Because of his contract, his trade value is right around a 99 cent bag of doritos.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:31 am
We’d get inside the 20 in 4 or 5 passing plays and then call all runs.
Then the press conference: blah blah blah
January 8th, 2012 at 9:32 am
How about getting some players on defense who can actually tackle using proper fundamentals. It was alarming to see the defense either arm tackling or trying to be some type of jet missle instead of wrapping up and driving through the ball carrier. It also got old to see the opponents wide receivers wide open and the dbacks chasing them downfield for another 20 yards instead of dropping them at the point of the catch. Extremely poor tackling, poor execution, lack of discipline, extremely stupid penalties, and no consequences. Pop Warner teams executed better. Other than that, the defense was okay.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:34 am
2romes Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 9:21 am
GG Says:
It get it!!! I am upset about all the talk and not getting it done too. I just think getting the Raiders to change Hue overplayed the role as cheerleader. You want less talk and better results and so do I. Your point taken and noted.
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Yeah. Short and to the point yelling is fine. Or measured calmness. But the rah-rah is BS. How many times all the “we’re gonna be great”, “this team is gonna be great”, “we want to be great” “great great great”, the “my vision” stuff, the “obviously” babble and open-ended promises.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:34 am
meanwhile up in Seattle…
(during exit interview)
Barney Rubble – “C’mon Pete, we almost weren’t losers.”
January 8th, 2012 at 9:36 am
weaselbit Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Defense needs to be way better.
That being said, It doesn’t mean sh@t if you kill your opponents with efficient offense.
patriots 31st in D this year but it doesn’t matter because everytime they get the ball they score.
Raiders 16th in red zone TD scoring. that’s just bad red zone play calling.
And as far as this under the bus thing, how can he blame the players when he calls such bad red zone plays?
If you can pass your way to the 20, why you running in the red zone w a 3.5 rushing average in the game? Especially when running did not get you inside the 20. Stupid.
And Hue did this all season. he’s an okay coach. Just okay. same record as Cable.
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Sorry, have to keep correcting people on the same record as Cable line:
Cable: 17-27 as Raiders coach (9-19 before Hue took over the offense and we went from 12 ppg to 26 ppg).
Hue: 8-8
I don’t remember the red zone playcalling as being that poor. Looks like we were middle of the pack there. Running game evaporated shortly after McFadden went down. Red zone playcalling was not something I remember ever getting worked up about. Maybe stuck with the run too much as you say, but I don’t think it was especially poor playcalling. Don’t think Jano had an inordinate amount of FG tries inside of 40 (which would indicate drives stalled in the red zone).
January 8th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I think the Donkeys will cover that 9 points, and may win.
Ben is going to be in the shotgun almost exclusively, they will have no short yardage running game, and with Mendanhall and Pouncey out, they might struggle to get 50 yards rushing.
Look for about a dozen punts in that game, and maybe less than 24 points combined.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:37 am
When the alternative is being a former NFL head coach, it would be wise for Jackson to kiss McKenzie’s ring (or other regions) and comply with the wishes of the new boss.
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LOL!
January 8th, 2012 at 9:38 am
GG Says
I must disagree on this one. Hue’s calls on offense as a whole is far superior to most teams in the NFL. He makes great adjustments overall.If you look at every teams HC, they call offensive plays that they want back and with Hue there is no difference. But if you our saying Hue’s offense is a problem, I know that is the farthest problem the Raiders faced this season. Many saw him win games with trick plays and without the those plays defense would have lost those games. We saw Hue devise play that would have won game if they connected. The play calling did not fail, the execution failed. GG you got to give Hue some credit rather than say throw everything away and start over.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:39 am
I don’t blame our red zone play-calling, but the execution stunk at times.
We had three 4th and goals from the 1 or 2 that failed on the year.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Every week it seemed, we came out of the half with the same game plan, and the other team adjusted.
Not just defensively but offensively as well.
Hue and Chuck got their pants coached off them in the second halves, almost weekly.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:41 am
It just really sucked to see Moore catch a deep pass but if he didn’t score that play you knew that it was probably going to be a field goal after the same 3 running plays. Hue was very predictable. It was our exceptional talent that got us the record we have.
Best way to make the defense better is to keep them off the field.
I think Hue will coach smarter with the McKenzie anvil dangling over his head. I say give him one more season with a different DC. Going to be a transition year either way with the defense. Best to keep a semblance of continuity on the offensive side.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Cable: 17-27 as Raiders coach (9-19 before Hue took over the offense and we went from 12 ppg to 26 ppg).
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I am not comparing Cable to Hue, as Hue is CLEARLY the better offensive mind.
But Cable averaged close to 24 ppg with Gradkowski at the helm.
Cable was done in with Jamarcus as his QB. I don’t think even Hue could have mustered 20ppg with that clown as his QB.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:42 am
#557 sorry 2romes, i’m gonna have to vehemently disagree with your following statements…
1) hue’s playcalls on offense were far superior to most of the nfl.
2) that hue makes great adjustments.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:43 am
I think many are comparing Hue and Cable as apples and apples when they should be comparing them as apples and lemons.
Cable was not let go because of his record!!! Al and Cable had a dislike of each other during the end of his tenure. If they saw eye to eye Al would have kept Cable. I felt Cable was worth keeping also.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Steve Cockran is leading the anti-Hue Jackson faction among the writers. His bias is obvious. He is being disrespectful by calling the Coach Hubert. Anyone else feel SC is abandoning his objective stance.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Al Davis said in his press conference, he would have fired Cable, even if we made the playoffs.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Cable had an anger issue. He not only beat up on women, but other coaches. He also brought his lady friends with him on away games on the teams dime. I don’t think Al appreciated that.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:47 am
The day of “objective stances” in the press are few and far between.
That’s why nobody watches C-Span and CNN, and instead Fox and MSNBC.
That’s why nobody reads papers or box scores, but millions of people will follow some blog geek on twitter.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:47 am
GG Says:
Hey, GG if we all agreed all teams in the NFL would be named Raiders. But it is worth talking about. Isn’t it?
January 8th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Vegas,
you just mentioned he who should never be named.
two minutes in the penalty box for you
January 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am
In Corky’s live chat, he did say repeatedly that there is no way we should fire Hue.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:49 am
If you can pass for over 400 freaking yards on a team and all you call is runs in the red zone I would say you’re not paying attention. That was textbook bad red zone play calling.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:51 am
you just mentioned he who should never be named.
two minutes in the penalty box for you
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I imagine 30 years from now, I still will be irrate by that guy.
Watching Megatron yesterday had me venting about The Chosen One to my in-laws, who clearly couldn’t give a crap.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Vegas,
I enjoy reading newspapers and box scores.
being Nobody is actually kinda nice.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Hues major offensive play-calling failures…
1. Dives 1st and 2nd down (as mentioned before), becoming too predictable, too stubborn, not evolving in time with Bush to go 65:35 pass:run, and play-action after play-action constantly early to force teams back in order to help Bush.
2. Pretty much 8 plays called all year.
3. The neglect of Boss and Myers and Ausberry across the middle, especially play-action.
4. Going into his shell in the 1st half, trying to “not lose” games, rather than being aggressive early by going pass-heavy (like the rest of the league with these pass-friendly new rules).
5. Redzone again afraid to be aggressive, run run run, FG.
6. Not enough shots into the endzone per se anywhere from inside the redzone to mid-field.
7. The neglect of Marcel Reece.
8. The lack of second half adjustments. Highlighted by that stretch of 5 games without a 4th Qtr score at all, and then another stretch with far too low amount of pts in the 4th Qtr compared to other teams, and categorized also in the Lions and KC games.
9. Bears game another perfect example of “scared to lose” offensive play-calling — SIX field goals to Seabass! THREE over 50 yards! Meaning couldn’t even get past their 35 WHILE dominating possession!
January 8th, 2012 at 9:53 am
It’s true the headcoach is responsible for the whole team…. But this team wasn’t your average NFl team…. Most headcoachs have their own handpicked coachs…. The Defensive coachs were Al’s picks as we’re the players…Bresnahan was just an Al stooge ..the Raiders need a clean cut with the way this teams been run…. I think that starts this coming season …
January 8th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Reading all the posts there are a lot of excuses positive and negative.
AT some point players and coaches just have to make it happnen or its a failure.
The Raider “Stars” don’t look like the stars around the league…..the role players never rise up….and no one makes a play.
Sure, Chucky B was junk….but its not like the “scheme” changes from year to year…..the players didn’t step up either….why? cause they are junk.
Clean house on defense where we can…..and bring in as much competition as possible where we can’t.
Offensively…again..make plays. How many red zone opportunities, the 2nd half withdrawals, the INTs….its gotta get better.
And overall….its going to take a lot for me to get past the way this team performed in the Miami, Green Bay and San Diego games….Best believe Reggie McKenize will be looking at those games closely and asking himself….”HOW CAN A TEAM SHOW UP LIKE THAT WITH EVERYTHING ON THE LINE?”
January 8th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Of course the play calling was limited on offense.
How much of the playbook did you expect to be installed under the circumstances our offense faced with Palmer getting here late?
Not to mention the starting RB AND WRs ALL being out AFTER we made the trade for Palmer.
January 8th, 2012 at 9:59 am
The defense was doomed from the start.
Al Davis’ man to man defense had CJ37 go down and both rookies.
Davis passed and Chuck B tried to install a Cover 2 midseason with no practices, lol.
Just a flat out mess.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:01 am
1. Dives 1st and 2nd down (as mentioned before), becoming too predictable, too stubborn, not evolving in time with Bush to go 65:35 pass:run, and play-action after play-action constantly early to force teams back in order to help Bush.
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You have folks in here that SWEAR Hue was too cute with the passing game and should have ran Bush MORE.
3 sides to every story.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Some have said Hue took to many chances .. Like the trick plays…your either dammed if you do or Dammed if you don’t … …that’s what happens when you don’t win those key games…your second guessed ……. When lose down the stretch , Blogs read like this one…
January 8th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Jhill …exactly..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Yeah people see things differently. But i bet there are stats to verify the percentage of dives vs play-action vs drop backs on 1st and 2nd down…and…in the first qtr vs 2nd vs 3rd vs 4th qtr.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Our Blog reads like a team that went from 7 & 4 to 8 & 8…….
January 8th, 2012 at 10:07 am
And their should be lots of questions…when you go from 7 & 4 to 8 & 8..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Hue took the chances and risks, and while I applaud his stones for doing so, you have to fall on the sword if it fails.
Repeatedly heaving it down the field at the end of games on 3rd and 1’s, was extremely ballsy, and extremely risky to your chances of being an NFL HC for long.
Just the way it works.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I just guessing that the Raider defense kick but at these games so it was the offense that lost them. Granted, things on offense could have worked better in retrospect but that does not give me reason to fire Hue. Better play calling at times, yes. Firing Hue for his play calling in 2011, no way.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Other than the late game mismanagement, I had no major problems with Hue’s play-calling.
The FB and backup TE reverses were fun to poke fun at, but those didn’t backfire or anything, and put some stuff on film for future DC’s to think about.
Hue has proven to be a good OC, and an iffy HC.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:12 am
I don’t care about the 3rd and 1’s as much as the predictability on 1st and 2nd downs in the 1st half, when the game is there to be busted open by a team. Especially thru that last 5 game stretch when Bush and the ypc were struggling and needed help by going more 65:35 and play-action constantly. Plus the neglect of TEs all season, and Marcel Reece in the end.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Just fire… I agree… Hue made the calls.. He has go to make it work… Or like you said , has to fall on his sword..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Per a PFT article:
“Appearing in the playoffs for the first time, Johnson caught 12 passes for 211 yards (the most ever for a player making his playoff debut) and two touchdowns. If all you saw were those numbers, you’d assume that Matthew Stafford was exploiting single coverage and finding Johnson open repeatedly, but anyone who watched the game knows that it was just the opposite: The Saints’ primary objective on defense was to keep Johnson from getting open in the secondary, and the Saints’ defensive backs actually did a pretty good job of sticking with Johnson.
It’s just that it didn’t matter: Stafford would throw to Johnson even when he was covered, and Johnson would catch the ball anyway. Johnson’s big day wasn’t an example of a poor game plan or poor execution from the Saints’ defense, it was just an example of a phenomenal player stepping up in a big game.”
It was not only our defense that got abused by Megatron but a Defense that is deep into the playoffs and could win the Super Bowl….maybe we are not that far off as some would have you think.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Hue Jackson spoke on that exact topic, GG.
Said he used to be a guy that wanted to call a bunch of different plays, but Davis encouraged him to be able to run 5 plays well (I could be wrong on that #) instead of a bunch of plays just ok. Or something to that effect.
We are “supposed” to be a running team. So it wouldn’t surprise me to see our stats leaning in our favor.
I happen to agree with you that we should pass more. I think we certainly would have if Ford and Moore don’t go down. I was very surprised that we didn’t get more creative and go with 2 TE sets. We have 4 very good TEs who could have been mixed in to the passing game.
But again, couldn’t really expect Palmer to be that far in the playbook getting here as late as he did.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Same old, same old for the past 9 years. During the preseason all you heard was how much talent the Raiders have/had. The results speak volumes-no playoffs. Then, Stanford Routt asserts after the Sand Diego fiasco that, “this is a very good defense(or something to that effect).”
Raider roster: underachievers or overrated(meaning not very good personnel). Your call.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am
If our defense is a little better …. Then we’re not pounding Hues offensive calls as much … Just the way it is..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:18 am
I just have to point something out here and hope I don’t jinx it. All morning there has been well thought out responses. People expressing their opinions and posters respectfully disagreeing with each other. Talk about refreshing. I haven’t seen or heard one swear word or someone being called a moron. Thanks!
Everyone seems to have some good points. Thing is we don’t know how the coaching staff is going to play out over the next month. But I have to say I really feel we will be a good team next year. We will slap down the AFC West and be in the playoffs. That I do feel confident about.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I gotta keep telling myself …we lost Campbell, then McFadden , then Ford.. Then Moore … DHB even missed a couple games…. Add on to that Palmers coming off the couch and we went from 7 & 4 to 8 & 8…. Almost forgot Janakowskis Hammy… Yep, their excuses , but valid excuses
January 8th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Huff , Seymour , McClain and all the CB’s played hurt …Chris Johnson… We were slammed with injurys…..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Well all I know is my suggestion to pick Pierre Paul ….
Ah, nevermind.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:23 am
#590 it’s what ive been saying about the new rules being extremely pass-friendly, while our opponents were driving up and down on us for TDs thru majority pass, we were bludgeoning out 1 and 3 yard gains and a 3 and out too often in the first halves. We needed to be more explosive on offense.
There are far too many yards in the offering just going to 3 and 4 wide sets. Even with the likes of TJ, Schilens, Murphy, DHB.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Clear #1 problem for us last year was the lack of depth in the secondary.
Our #3 and #4 corners were BOTH rookies and 1 was coming off injury.
Mitchell, Boyd, and Gio as our backup safeties????
Really????
January 8th, 2012 at 10:28 am
freezetag168 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:45 am
What “WEALTHY INVESTORS” from Oakland are YOU talking about?
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Oakland hills is one of California’s wealthiest and affluent regions. And that’s not counting wealthy business owners around the bay area or even other regions of the country that would be interested in investing in some kind of development around a Raider stadium. You may not watch FoxNews but your short sighted view that Oakland is 100% ghetto reveals you have about the same intelligence as a foxnews viewer.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:28 am
If memory serves me correctly the Raiders started drives 1st and 2nd down with 20 yards to go because of penalties. that can’t be easy for the offensive coach to overcome!
January 8th, 2012 at 10:30 am
“I haven’t seen or heard one swear word or someone being called a moron. Thanks!”
That’s because Sandusky44 outed himself the other day and is afraid to come back to face the music.
Yes it is refreshing you are correct!
January 8th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Maybe Reggie can get C Woodson to come back?
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
fingers Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 5:22 am
Got a story yesterday from Silver & Black Mag…
Hue and Reggie McKanzie are very close friends… Even share the same agent….
Those counting on Reggie firing Hue may have to wait for awhile…..
I think it’s a good idea to keep Hue on for
At least another season….Fix that Damn Defense first…
One of Hues Rookie mistakes was his mouth…
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Good news. Hue should get one more year. Look at what he inherited? Obviously not a pro bowl team.
For those wanting Hue’s head, their best case scenario was Hue getting fired. Worst case scenario was Hue getting full control of team. Looks like they’re going to get something in between. Hue will stay, but will lose executive power. He’ll run things on the field. Something in the middle is usually how it works. Welcome to the adult world.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
We should take a look at brandon jacobs if bush isnt retained
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I think the NFL is going to lengthen the “legal contact” rule for DB’s next year, from 5 yards to maybe 7 or 8.
I heard Pereria talk about on Fox one time.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
fingers Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:16 am
If our defense is a little better …. Then we’re not pounding Hues offensive calls as much … Just the way it is..
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Agreed. Well put.
It’s kind of like when Jerry Mac doles out the grades following a game. If we win 17-14 and the QB throws for 175 yards and one TD, Jerry will give him a B+ and point to a key throw or two in the game. If we lose 48-35 and the QB goes for 400 yards and 2 TDs, Jerry will give him a C+ and point to one or two missed throws out of 40.
It’s silly and aggravating, but for many the end result tends to skew any objective opinion and significantly upgrade or downgrade all of the elements that went into it depending on whether or not the end result was good or bad.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Hue needs a shorter leash. And so do Hue’s haters… That’s what it boils down to.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:34 am
#598 not saying the offensive is to blame, excusing the defense. Not at all. Just reminding that the offense still had a lot to improve on, that it fell into a predictable and/or conservative rut. And there were games thru the year when the offense was to blame not so much the defense. Example, last Chiefs game or Lions game, we could’ve iced the games several times on offense before it got to what it did at the end. Or the Bears game when we couldn’t do anything but score FGs.
Considering how pass and offense-friendly the game is now, defenses have it so much harder than ever before. Look around the league at how many games there are hardly any punts, teams scoring TDs and FGs on every 1st qtr drive, the yardage generated by losing teams, etc.
There ARE top 5 type monster defenses around the league, but the gap between the top and the rest grew a lot this year. Where say after the top 5 teams, there was a bigger gap to 6 and from 6 thru to 32 a smaller difference — in terms of pass yardage given up.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
“Clear #1 problem for us last year was the lack of depth in the secondary.
Our #3 and #4 corners were BOTH rookies and 1 was coming off injury.
Mitchell, Boyd, and Gio as our backup safeties????
Really????”
Good point when you are bringing up guys from the practice squad and they are starting in games you have serious depth issues!
January 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Well if Hue is not to blame for any of the defensive issues, than I want a coach who is accountable, for both sides of the ball.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
602. Damn! Spoke to soon.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
“Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.”
January 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
We should take a look at brandon jacobs if bush isnt retained
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Maybe. I’ve seen him look very good at times and really disappointing at others. He sometimes runs like a 195 scat back trying to bounce things to the outside rather than just pounding it in the middle.
The one reason it could be a good signing is I think Hue is good at accentuating what players do well and putting them in that spot. Kind of like DHB this year with the shorter routes and getting him the ball where he can run after the catch rather than asking him to track and go up and get deep balls.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Hue’s going to be reined in, JFB. So is Herrera. Everyone’s getting a reality check.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:36 am
#612 I am sorry I never should have said anything.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Credit where credit is due:
1. DHB – Finished with close to 1000 yards despite being benched for a couple of games…STAYED HEALTHY TO ACTUALLY HELP HIS TEAM
2. Michael Bush – Finishes 17th in rushing a mere 100 yards from a top 10 while only starting a little over half the games
3. Wiz and Veldheer – Developing like a rook should
4. Moore – when healthy became a playmaker..earned his spot on the roster
January 8th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I think the NFL is going to lengthen the “legal contact” rule for DB’s next year, from 5 yards to maybe 7 or 8.
I heard Pereria talk about on Fox one time.
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praise the lord! I also heard they’re going to re-evaluate the defenseless player type penalties, not wholesale, but an area here and there, like “launching”.
Bottom line, the balance in football has gone to hell with all these rules. Pass to run and offense to defense is far too skewed compared to previous decades. they just need to ensure a better balance. like someone else talked about last night, about how college players are all gravitating towards DB/WR more than RB/FB/TE.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:38 am
It’s McKenzie’s show. He is now Al Davis. And I don’t see Mark getting rid of him until he goes something like 3 years without making the playoffs. Get used to it, everyone. It’s a whole new ballgame in Alameda. New sheriff in town.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Well if Hue is not to blame for any of the defensive issues, than I want a coach who is accountable, for both sides of the ball.
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JFB,
You are right on with this point. All the bloggers here point out some pretty basic problems with the defense and how Chucky B tried to implemen a zone after Davis passed away.
Shouldn’t Hue be able to go to Chuck and say…”Keep it simple” or “go back to what we were doing before we bacame just totally useless” or “bring the DC back from last year as a consultant”
Hue did nothing.
A head coach manages the entire team
A coordinator only looks after his part of the team
January 8th, 2012 at 10:42 am
they should make it 10 yards btw
January 8th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Has Mark spoken on camera yet since Al passed? This guy really isn’t like Al. Which is probably a good thing. Looks like he wants to stay in the shadows. I think it’s what this franchise desperately needed, after a half century of having an owner who couldn’t get enough of the limelight.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:43 am
We should bring in sprags for our dc before philly nabs him. Have him reunite with waufle and bring in some D help watch out!
January 8th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The only thing Hue could have done to help the defense is started Giordano. Scheme was not the problem with our defense. Just bad players. I don’t think Bresh is really to blame either, but he still should go because a head coach should be allowed to choose his staff. As far as chemistry goes that can make a difference, too.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Beware, McKenzie’s going to let Hue choose his own coaching staff. Read Jerry’s post. He’s following the Green Bay model. Gm picking the coaches is the Al Davis model.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Shouldn’t Hue be able to go to Chuck and say…”Keep it simple” or “go back to what we were doing before we bacame just totally useless” or “bring the DC back from last year as a consultant”
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Well the knock on the defense was that it was too predictable. You even heard opposing teams giving us props for mixing in zone coverages.
Sure, there are things Hue could have done better, SnB. Gawd damn mayne!
So which one is it, SnB? You say the players are junk and didn’t step up and make any plays. Is it that, or is it Hue?
Is it also Hue’s fault that our secondary had ZERO depth?
January 8th, 2012 at 10:51 am
J Hill Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Clear #1 problem for us last year was the lack of depth in the secondary.
Our #3 and #4 corners were BOTH rookies and 1 was coming off injury.
Mitchell, Boyd, and Gio as our backup safeties????
Really????
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I don’t think the secondary was necessarily the biggest problem. Gio played pretty well and had 5 picks. I agree Boyd was disappointing. I’m a Mike Mitchell fan so I totally disagree there.
Our defense was actually 3rd in the league in opposing QBs completion pct against. Here were the biggest failures on defense:
- League-worst 5.1 yards per carry average
- 31st in the league with 31 TD passes allowed
I think both factors can be tied to breakdowns in effort, scheme and mental mistakes. I often said we have the opposite of a bend but don’t break defense. We have a don’t bend, but break defense. By that I mean we’re capable of holding teams to three and outs a couple of series, then giving up an 80 yard TD on the third. We’ll stuff a team on 1st and 2nd down, then they’ll pick up 40 on 3rd down. Then be in the end zone two plays later.
I also think RoMac and Chuck B were the biggest factors in both those stats.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Chris in NY Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 10:51 am
I often said we have the opposite of a bend but don’t break defense. We have a don’t bend, but break defense.
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Truest thing every said about our defense ^^^. And this has been the case for years.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Chris how can you be a Mike I don’t know how to tackle anyone in space Mitchell fan but blame problems on the D on RoMac
January 8th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Over the past 20 years I’ll bet you the Raiders are the worst team in the league defensively on 3rd and long. And probably by a long shot. Some of our most epic losses we died in that situation. Trent Dilfer to Shannon Sharpe..
January 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Who makes us a better team? Jason Campbell or Carson Palmer?
I am not sure….
January 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I have no problem with Hue coming back but if he needs to re interview or walk a plank I aint mad either…
In other words Hue, you show some glimpses but you let this thing spiral down the drain too. C Bres should have been fired at the bye week.
January 8th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Jhill,
As you know, I never thought much of our defense (players, coaches, scheme)….but this failure down the stretch even surprised me a little.
I don’t like Hue Jackson as a head coach. I think he’s an offensive coordinator. His teams were not ready to play in 4 of the 6 key games for the playoff run.
The defense will always be junk until we get a real NT, a UT that plays each down, a pass rushing DE that can also play the run, and a real linebacking corps.
I think the front 7 is garbage and nothing less than an infusion of talent will fix that.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Thank God AL is dead. He should have been thrown out of the league or expelled from the partnership entity known as the “Raiders” after the club’s last SuperBowl win in 1983, when he discovered that making money through lawsuits was easier than making money winning football games. AL lost his mojo regarding fielding a championship team 29 years ago, and should be vilified for it.
The past 10 yrs were especially excruciating under AL’s leadership, while Hue Jackson’s tenure as HC was disgusting, at best.
Now Hue must go; McKenzie must attenuate AL’s taint, and purge anything AL lingering in the organization.
Fire Hue now!
January 8th, 2012 at 11:01 am
A good start to fixing the front 7 would be:
Wimbley to LDE
Houston to UT
January 8th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Hue’s teams mailed it in down the stretch.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Repost:
Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
You are contradicting yourself, SnB.
Junk players get beat by non junk players, wouldn’t you say?
Mailing it in implies that the talent was there, but the effort wasn’t.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
638. Have you guys figured out yet there is more than one person posting under the Sully handle as well as his aliases.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Team was not even competitive against Miami…..Green BAy…..two blocked FGs from disaster in KC…..no sense of urgency against SD….and shut it down in the 2nd half against Detroit.
If you whitepaper this thing and started a coaching search all over….is Hue Jackson the number 1, 2 or 3 candidate?
I don’t know the answer….but I am betting McKenzie does
January 8th, 2012 at 11:10 am
SeyGlen666, you never confuse your alias’s, right ?
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Silverandblack666 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:04 am
MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:11 am
If the Giants D line keeps playing like this, and Brandon Jacobs finally plays up to his size, then its Giants all the way, specially in snow covered Lambeau…
January 8th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:11 am
If the Giants D line keeps playing like this, and Brandon Jacobs finally plays up to his size, then its Giants all the way, specially in snow covered Lambeau…
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Hmmmm.
YOu mean run the ball, and play good defense.
That concept is alien in here among the Madden 12 gamers
January 8th, 2012 at 11:13 am
7 ..2… Baseball score….falcons just can’t seem to get on track…..
January 8th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Carson Palmer aint no Drew Brees, but Jason Campbell sucks. Gimme Palmer 100% of the time.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Jason Campbell is gone.
this is CArson’s team.
So let’s stop the (well Jason couldnt do this or that)
Carson gonna have to do something he’s never done before…..win a playoff game
January 8th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Brownstains
You are a dangerously conflicted sub human.
A republican who leaches off the government and is too poor to pay taxes.
A low IQ redneck that thinks he has a brain and brags about dating a women of color like Napolian Dynamites brother Kip.
I would bet that you are sitting in some section 8 trailer park wearing a wife beater that is old and smelly, behind on rent so your avoiding the landlord waiting for your loser relative to come back with some meth.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Green Bay & NO are passing teams. I think bad weather hurts them more than D&Run temas like Frisco, and possibly the Giants. Would be awesome to watch a snow covered 45-42 game between GB & NO!
January 8th, 2012 at 11:18 am
I was Ok with Campbell but I think Palmer gives us more potential ….still to be determined if it was worth the price….don’t know if I like the trade just yet… But I do support it……
January 8th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Fingers,
The Raiders overpaid for Carson. Its an academic discussion at this point because the deed is done.
THe level of expecation in Oakland is low however. I just hope that the definition of elite here is not putting out a couple of good games here and there…but bringing home wins and playing at a high standard throughout the year.
Too many in here compare everything to JaBustus or Josh McCown. Instead of comparing the situation to what other teams are doing.
Low, Low, Low expectations and standards in the Raider Nation right now.
Hopefully Reggie builds that up
January 8th, 2012 at 11:27 am
SNB…I don’t agree that it’s already a fact that we paid too much for Palmer… Next year after camp we might have a better idea if that’s true..
January 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I dont think the Raiders overpaid for Carson. they gave up the 17th pick of the 2012 draft, and a second rounder next year for a starting QB…think about our 1st & 2nd rounders of the last 20 years, did any of those improve the team significantly? a QB that gives you a top 10 offense is worth a 1st & 2nd rounder every day.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:30 am
I also don’t agree that Palmers the reason the Raiders missed the playoffs…with a just below average Defense , the The Raiders are most likely a playoff team …
January 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
You need to think outside the box there Brownstains a lot of people are annoyed by you its not just one person with many monikers you have an abrasive personality and probably no real friends in life the fact that you haven’t figured it out yourself by now shows you are even dumber than previously thought.
I would wager that next to Sandusky44 and KK you would be the next most hated and useless poster here.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:32 am
look at the number of QBs drafted in the 1st round that dont pan out. A 1st rounder for Palmer is a steal.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Still to early for me to put a stamp on the Palmer trade… I don’t have any problem saying Boller wasn’t gonna get it done though …
January 8th, 2012 at 11:36 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:31 am
You need to think outside the box there Brownstains a lot of people are annoyed by you its not just one person with many monikers you have an abrasive personality and probably no real friends in life the fact that you haven’t figured it out yourself by now shows you are even dumber than previously thought.
I would wager that next to Sandusky44 and KK you would be the next most hated and useless poster here.
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As a new comer to this blog and a totally impartial point of view I would agree 100% MR NEGATIVITY and brashness. His takes are old and his contributions are weak and usually pathetic. That goes for those other two guys you mentioned too.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:38 am
I didn’t blame Palmer for missing playoffs. I blame Hue Jackson for that.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Pleased with the hiring of Mr. McKenzie. Now the rebuilding process can begin under someone experienced & proven with the autonomy to do so without being second guessed by Al Davis. Hopefully, he won’t be by anyone else within the organization.
The entire organization needs to be overhauled, from the front offices, practice facility to the on the field product. For his role and having been a former Raider, I’m certain Mr. McKenzie will bring in intelligent talent with a work ethic that can catch a football, block, tackle instead of run fast times in the 40.
Mr. Jackson needs to start levying fines for penalties that stall offensive drives and prohibit the defense from getting off the field. Please hire a Defensive Coordinator that can develop young talent and install a more effective defensive philosophy. Winston Moss perhaps?
January 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Short-term, McNabb, Orton, Edwards types would’ve been better for the Raiders. We needed those two draft picks we traded away — especially as we already knew Al wasn’t drafting anymore and that we’d have a new GM for the new year.
Palmer no doubt a far better QB than all of them, but in the end 8-8 for Palmer in 2011 was far short of what the trade INTENDED to achieve – which was a deep playoff run. Something that Hue at the time also believed/promised was do-able despite the D, the penalties, etc. He promised that’d all be fixed as well.
Palmer isn’t the reason for missing the playoffs, just saying it wasn’t worth it in the end KNOWING things weren’t being fixed and didn’t get fixed.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
This team lacked motivation. Who is to blame for that? I would say that lies with the head coach but on the other hand you can’t coach desire and it didn.t seem like there was a whole lot of that flying around the field
January 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
AS for the price paid.
Sure, if you compare the draft history under Al Davis…actually more along the lines of the players letting him down….then yes, the trade makes absolute sense.
But, we have different people making the picks now.
You don’t build teams through free agency and the draft. It doesn’t work like that anymore.
The Raiders are the only team to trade #1 picks for 30+ year old vets.
The reason most teams don’t do that is because those 30 year old players have a limited shelf life. And once they start to slide, its a pretty quick decent.
For Palmer, hopefully that slide doesn’t start for 4 years…when he turns 36.
For Seymour, its already begun
January 8th, 2012 at 11:42 am
I can think of more reasons than Hue Jackson as to why the Raiders didn’t make the playoffs…..at least several …
January 8th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Good post GG #661
January 8th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Thankfully we have a guy in Reggie McKenzie that will get this straightened out …
January 8th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Although, Corkran is almost always the last to know of any breaking Raiders news. He finally fixed the blog clock, after it being broke for a month..
Things are looking up!……
January 8th, 2012 at 11:46 am
I dont think Winston Moss will get the DC job, the GB defense aint the reason that team wins. Teams with awesome offenses make the Defenses look good, cause opponents have to risk turnovers and long passing routes in order to keep up…
January 8th, 2012 at 11:46 am
McNabb, Orton or Edwards….. Count me as one that wouldn’t agree with those guys ..
January 8th, 2012 at 11:47 am
And…knowing that the D needed major upgrading next season, it was imperative to have as much opportunity to upgrade the D thru the draft. And, Palmer won’t be a long-term QB either. 2-3 years tops we’d get out of him. Whereas the teams that traded two 1sts* type of trades for QBs, did so for younger QBs with around 10 years of ceiling.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Also good post #663, mentions everything mentioned in #661 and #670. Same thoughts.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am
I could be wrong here. But, I believe DelRio is still getting paid HC wages to sit on his porch next season. Scratch him off the DC wish list..
January 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Winston Moss is assistant HC at the Packers, so is prime for a HC gig.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:50 am
The whole “play defense and run the ball” argument to win in the playoffs, is going to take a huge faceplant when the Saints beat the 49ers by 3 TD’s next week, while getting outgained on the ground.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Orton was still a Donkey … Nobody wanted McNabb… And Edwards was injured …
January 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am
JFB,
Sure, but again, these are teams in the playoffs.
Our model got us shhhhhhhhhh
January 8th, 2012 at 11:54 am
What ever happened beneath th HC Hue Jackson that didn’t allow us to win is his fault. Plain simple, ad easy. HJ was/is the HC, it ALL falls on him. With the death of Al Davis it falls to him more than than a normal HC. He had complete control after the death of Al and all he did was get us a good, but expensive QB.
January 8th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Also,
Hue thought this team was ready for a deep playoff push. That’s why the trade.
Then HIS team goes and lays a bunch of turds in 4 of the final 6 games with the playoffs on the line
January 8th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:29 am
I dont think the Raiders overpaid for Carson. they gave up the 17th pick of the 2012 draft, and a second rounder next year for a starting QB…think about our 1st & 2nd rounders of the last 20 years, did any of those improve the team significantly? a QB that gives you a top 10 offense is worth a 1st & 2nd rounder every day.
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I agree. Absolutely. I’ve posted a couple of times the last 10 players picked in the first and second round with the No. 17 pick as an example of what you’re getting. Not going to dig it up now, but out of those 20 players the only two you might possibly consider wanting over Palmer are Josh Freeman and DeSean Jackson.
Jackson is such a thorn in the side the Eagles may not keep him anyway. Freeman was looking good, but was pretty lousy this season. I don’t think any other player on the list was even close.
DRAFT PICKS = FUN DIVERSION IN MARCH-MAY, BUT OVERRATED IN TERMS OF VALUE SINCE MORE THAN HALF OF EVEN 1ST AND 2ND ROUNDERS ARE BUSTS AND MOST OF THE OTHER HALF EVOLVE INTO ROLE PLAYERS. VERY SMALL PERCENTAGE ARE DIFFERENCE MAKERS ALONG THE LINES OF A QB LIKE PALMER.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Eg, how many years did we get out of Seymour, and we have people clamoring to trade him right now. Palmer’s career is in similar decline. Not majorly, nor Seymour, but you can’t keep squandering 1st/2nd rounders for 30+ yo vets thinking they can be the next Plunkett/Gannon. That happens rarely across the league. The exception not the rule. Seymour/Palmer makes sense if we have a young team that makes the playoffs often but needs a vet to hold it together, push them forward that next step. Like the Vikings getting Favre. But a regular 5-11 to 8-8 type of team needs to keep upgrading the depth chart thru the draft. Obviously has a lot of holes to keep filling with young talent to push the standard of the starters up.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
And I’m a firm believer that this team needs to learn how to win again. They need to learn the way to play when the seasons on the line. Vets help that, but man, we’ve been in the cellar so long it takes a while to climb those steps back up. That’s what these 8-8 seasons are doing. Climbing up out of the cellar.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
To many injurys to overcome on the Raiders Offense with a defense like the Raiders had this year… I really doubt Drew Brees would have made a diffrence….. Gotta be able to make at least 1 stop on D
January 8th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Lol…12 men in the Huddle… Sound Familiar ?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Not as bad as only 10 defensive players on the field .. On a key play….
January 8th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Very good D stand by the Giants … Outstanding
January 8th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
He thought he could grab the division, no question about that. He should have known the defense would come back to bite him in the ass. He said week he figured out “who we are”.
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SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Also,
Hue thought this team was ready for a deep playoff push. That’s why the trade.
Then HIS team goes and lays a bunch of turds in 4 of the final 6 games with the playoffs on the line
January 8th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
week 2*
January 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Plus the Fact that Hue tried to snag Palmer in the offseason … So the injury to Campbell opened up the door…. And remember.. Hue wasn’t big on Campbell… Benched him the year before ..
January 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I love Hue, but it looks like the Falcons recruited him to run their offense for this Giants game..Going for it twice on fourth and inches instead of just taking the points has f’ed these guys…We would be going crazy on here if Hue was doing this crap.
Weird.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
One of McKenzie’s big decisions is going to be the future of Pryor. The Raiders have to start NOW getting the next QB ready. If its Pryor, fine, if not…start working.
Giants….stop the run and win the game
January 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
S&B,
Wimbley is too small/weak to Play LDE.
- Houston, Seymour, and TK at DT. We should add a NT to this rotation.
- move Matt S to LDE.
- I think Wimbley should stay at SLB, Or maybe RDE ( I don’t think he can handle playing every down like T Scott).
We should add a NT, RDE, and CB on Defense. Adding another OLB is not a bad idea.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Yeah you guys want to watch what a defense should look like, watch the Giants hold the Falcons.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
MikieG Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I love Hue, but it looks like the Falcons recruited him to run their offense for this Giants game..Going for it twice on fourth and inches instead of just taking the points has f’ed these guys…
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LMAO!
When he did it at the end of the first half in the Detroit game, I just wanted throw my beer at the tv.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Wimbley should be lining up over the Left Tackle.
As for Kelly…move him to the bench or off the roster.
Houston has a high motor and is young…he should be the UT
Seymour….sigh…shoulda listened to MistaBrown…unfortunately, Seymour’s cap hit will necessarily keep him on the team. Rotation guy.
Shaugnessy is a keeper.
The rest of the front 7 is junk
January 8th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Yeah you guys want to watch what a defense should look like, watch the Giants hold the Falcons.
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Dude, no doubt, really D holding on both teams…holding that would get called against the Raiders..esp. Stan..every freaking time on Sunday..The Raiders get called for EVERY thing they do..There is no way in hell we committed enough penalties to lead the leauge in all of those years..We just got CALLED for more penalties..which is a bunch of fVcking bullSh!t..
God I hate Refs..
January 8th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
MikieG Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
I love Hue, but it looks like the Falcons recruited him to run their offense for this Giants game..Going for it twice on fourth and inches instead of just taking the points has f’ed these guys…
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LMAO!
When he did it at the end of the first half in the Detroit game, I just wanted throw my beer at the tv.
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No doubt, I got up to go grab something out of the kitchen thinking it was a foregone conclusion that we were kicking a FG there, and stopped and was like..”No, no, no, what are you doing???? Hue, take the f’ing points MAN!”
January 8th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I think Wimbley should stay at SLB, rush the passer about 10+ times from that position, and then move him to DE on passing downs.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
The front 7 is less junky moving to a 3-4 tho. Why i think we do it considering the CURRENT roster.
These LBs we have do not suit a 4-3 whatsoever. Either we completely overhaul 3 to 4 LBs, or we switch to 3-4 and find a NT. Latter easier.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Hue will stay..
Chuck will go…
January 8th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
S&B,
DE over LT= RDE.
I can do without TK, but I like him sharing snaps with Seymour to keep them both fresh and hungry. They like to take plays off.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I understand Hue was the headcoach this season… But to much of this team WASN’T his for me to place to much blame on Hue for the Raiders not making the Playoffs ….coaching staff and players matter… Hue walked into the situation … He didn’t pick the coachs or players…
Then Al passed away and Hue was in over his head with Al’s team…. Our season was like no other Nfl teams season in regards to losing our owner ” who called All the shots…. When you take all that into perspective im suprised we finished 8 & 8…
January 8th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
When will the Falcons learn that running the ball on 3rd and 4th and 1 does not work in today’s NFL?
Only 52% of 3rd and 4th and 1’s were converted running the ball this season, but over 70% of passes did.
Hell, even the Raiders weak-azz D stopped a bunch of 3rd and 4th and 1’s when teams ran the ball.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
OMG, Are people still on that baffoon Tom Cable???? Sheeez! That guys is a complete waste of energy and typing
January 8th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Bottomline… We now have a GM … Happy days …
January 8th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The Giants are destroying ATL.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
fingers Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Bottomline… We now have a GM … Happy days …
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+100
January 8th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Anyone who believes the Giants are a running team that plays defense to win games haven’t watched them lately.Eli and his arm are the reason that team wins.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I like 4-3 more than 3-4. Look at the Giants. It’s not about the scheme only, but you have to have the players/ talent to execute it.
Usi, Tuck, JPP, and a few solid DTs, and who needs LBs and DBs.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
THat’s because the Giants won the games they had to have down the stretch.
And they struggled all year.
Raiders folded up and mailed it in starting with the Miami game.
Unacceptable
January 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Ok… Time to fire up the grill … Ya’all enjoy…
January 8th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
I think the Raiders, and the coach, started believing the hype
January 8th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
who are the losers who call Manning overrated because he throws a lot of INT?
Nerds.
It’s what you do with your GOOD throws that dictates whether we can live with your INTs or not.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Some think Reggie will slowly-slowly upgrade the roster, some think he will blow it up. Either way is good whatever Reggie thinks is best.
But I’ll have a punt and guess it’ll be the latter.
Eg, I love DHB, but I can see Reggie being brutal in gathering the absolute must-haves, and trading away players that hold some kind of value.
Obviously I could be very wrong, just curious what others think Reggie will do…slowly-slowly or brutal.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Raider O
That’s my problem with the 4-3. You need STARS up and down the D roster to make it work, particularly at DE and CB – two EXPENSIVE positions.
With the 3-4, you need about 3 good players (NT, OLB, S) and a bunch of solid average role players to make it work.
4-3 is expensive.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
fingers Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Ok… Time to fire up the grill … Ya’all enjoy…
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Yep, Im about to make some mollasses and honey glazed hot wings and watch Timmy T just get his a$$ handed to him..Sucks that I absolutely HATE both teams, but I of course Hate Denver More..
Should be the last time we see Tebow start at QB in the NFL though.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Raiders Org take the weekend off? Nothing coming out of there? No new post with stupid stats from 10 years ago? Nothing?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
all that said, the Giants were 27TH on D this season, and one of the reasons they barely SQUEEEEEZED into the playoffs.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Anyone stil impressed with Matt Ryan. Have long maintained that guy is overratd.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Hears to hoping Harrison gets mad fines later today.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
GG
I think McKenzie knows a good thing when he sees it, and the way this offense has been the last two years is a GREAT thing.
No reason to blow something that works, and hope your draft picks ALL hit to get back to a similar level.
He’ll let these young WRs develop with the proven system, just like in GB.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We already have an expensive defense.
Sey
Routt
Huff
TK
Wimbley
McClain (1st round top 10 money)
January 8th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
alex7 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
all that said, the Giants were 27TH on D this season, and one of the reasons they barely SQUEEEEEZED into the playoffs.
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Yup….very true.
But they had the character to come through when they needed it….down the stretch.
The Raiders fell down badly….something the coach has to take responsibility for
January 8th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
It should be us playing the steelers today.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Raider O Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We already have an expensive defense.
Sey
Routt
Huff
TK
Wimbley
McClain (1st round top 10 money)
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And get jack spit for it
January 8th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Eli threw for the 6th most yards in a season in NFL history, and would have been 3rd all-time coming into this season.
He is a top-tier QB, no doubt.
And he did so, most of this year, with no running game.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Mike Smith should be fired. Falcons offense should do/ be much better.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
S&B,
I know bro. It bothers me too.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Raider O Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
It should be us playing the steelers today.
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I know, and we would have a chance at actually winning the game…We don’t deserve to be there because of what we did against Sandy Eggo..but the Bronco’s sure as F’Vck don’t deserve it either.
Tebow is going to turn it over 4 times today.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I still like Matt Ryan as a QB, but he will have to win some playoff games before he is anything more than just above average.
But I wouldn’t mind a QB who lost 2 home games in 4 years.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I am getting angry just thinking about Tebow playing the Steelers.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Should be the last time we see Tebow start at QB in the NFL though.
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Crazy-talk.
You might see him start next week.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Next year is going to be awesome. Only thing we are missing is a 1st round pick.
More stout OL with fewer penalties likely coming your way – insert BARKSDALE & CAMPBELL – out goes Barnes & Satele or Carlisle.
Palmer gets a offseason of study and familiarity to work with the playbook and WRs. Translation = higher offensive efficiency.
WE GET A NEW DC!!!! WHOOOOPPEEEEE! Someone to get this talent to perform.
If this defense moves to just average we will win the division and be in the playoffs.
Save injuries we are looking good going into next year.
Only concerns really are on defense with 3 aging DTs and light depth in the secondary. Fixable in the offseason.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
That will be the big question you guys posed.
Will McKenzie try to build on what is here…..or blow it up and build it the way he thinks it should be.
Anytime you get a new manager…the time to make the tough, unpopular decisions is when you start…not later on
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Moving the defense to just average with that crappy roster won’t be easy
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Reggie Mckenzie will cut Bruce Campbell, you can be assured of that.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Ryan is not the problem. It’s the Coaching staff.
They have great talent at offense, and enough talent on defense to keep you in games.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I have no problem with whatever decisions McKenzie makes…including blowing up the roster.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
So much needs to be done on D, especially the DBs, another couple LBs, and a NT. We need draft picks to fix the D. Guys like DHB could net us an early 2nd (eg, Jaguars) or late 1st (eg, Niners). Not necessarily advocating it, also cos I like DHB, just guessing that Reggie ‘could’ be brutal like that.
For instance, what would you rather have DHB or a true stud NT?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Tebow will be replaced by his backup bt the middle of the 2nd quarter if that long. You heard it here first.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
I think the Donkeys are going to win.
Home team has won all 3 games so far.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
DHB was our most productive WR this season.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Matt Ryan is slightly above average. I’m saying he is way overrated though given the press surrounding him. I’ve watched a few of his games. He is more of a dink-n-dunk QB vs pushing the ball down field, and he is not that accurate either on a number of throws.
Like Flacco, he is overrated …but maybe slightly better than Flacco.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 11:40 am
But, we have different people making the picks now.
You don’t build teams through free agency and the draft. It doesn’t work like that anymore.
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I’m trying to get my head around this. So the only way to build is through trades?
January 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
OhioRaider,
Typo…..”You don’t build teams through free agency and trades”
January 8th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
There is no way Denver beats the steelers.
No way!!!!
January 8th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Pitts D is too much for Tebow. He is gonna be picking up his mouthpiece all game long. I predict he will be sacked at least 4 times by middle 2nd quarter
January 8th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
The Oakland Raiders should be embarrassed and disgusted by giving Tim Tebow and THAT team a home playoff game
January 8th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Obviously.
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SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Seymour….sigh…shoulda listened to MistaBrown
January 8th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
735.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Reggie Mckenzie will cut Bruce Campbell, you can be assured of that.
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Not happenin’ captain. Hue actually sounds high on Campbell if you listen to him speak of Campbell during pressers. He talks as if Campbell WILL be in the lineup for sure. Its just his injury last year derailed him and the other linemen became entrenched. The other linemen don’t want Campbell to get in because once he does, he isn’t coming out.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Our sorry azz D is prolly having a great day today BBQ’ing, enjoying a tropical vacation, while the nation gets their guts turned inside out thinking about an opportunity that we gave away…
Freakin’ PATHETIC!
January 8th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
741.Raider O Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
DHB was our most productive WR this season.
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And you know who had DHBs back since the beginning while any here wanted him cut no later than yesterday
January 8th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Lefty the Libtard,
The NYG defense held a team to 0 points in the playoffs. That is NFL defense I’d love to have in Oakland.
F’ng moron.
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Lefty12 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Anyone who believes the Giants are a running team that plays defense to win games haven’t watched them lately.Eli and his arm are the reason that team wins.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Q Bert, oops, i mean Huebert needs to be bounced…
Dude is a clown of an HC, how many Brain Dead penalties did we take on Offense this year?
12 men inthe huddle, delay of game penalties?
Too Many and it copst us the opportunity to play a game at HOME today….
January 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“I have no problem with whatever decision McKenzie makes….”
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’ll be here complaining as soon as he doesn’t get rid of the players you want gone-ie. T.Kelly.
January 8th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I had DHB from the beginning. I saw the potential locked up in this kid. And you aint seen nothing yet! Next year, barring injury, his stat line will be even better (say, 50% more production).
And now I’m harping BRUCE CAMPBELL while the crows begin to speak. Different story. Same rhyme
January 8th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“I have no problem with whatever decision McKenzie makes….”
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’ll be here complaining as soon as he doesn’t get rid of the players you want gone-ie. T.Kelly.
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Ha, Ha, Ha…..you don’t know that……
January 8th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
NY may be all GB wants to deal with next week. NY has some momentum they going to take with them to GB.
If GB got their ass knocked sideways I wouldn’t be at all surprised…
January 8th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Hue Jackson was so high on Bruce CAmpbell he inactivated him every game after Al died.
McKenzie will have no use for guys who are healthy scratches on Sundays.
I once looked at EVERY starting G in the NFL, and I could only find ONE G who is starting in the NFL (not due to injury) who never played his first two years.
His name?
Cooper Carlisle
January 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
DHB was our most productive but I can see why and areas where his ceiling is limited.
If one were to keep DHB, he is clearly a YAC receiver, have him run routes long across the middle, short slants and curls.
He’s not a sure-handed down-field threat like Ford, Moore and even Murphy, catching cleanly with hands or tracking balls overhead.
Remember I’m a fan of DHB, but i can see that, and how much the D needs upgrading.
Just saying all this to pose a possibility and hypothetical.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
However, I would shake my head at that….but given the Raiders have no draft picks…I have to accept that most of the bums that got this team to the point that they are watching Tim Tebow in about 20 minutes will probably still be here.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
SnB,you can’t help yourself.lol
January 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Falcons two playoff loses were to the team that went to the Super Bowl.
Decent history for the Giants sake.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
THe only open question on DHB, assuming Hue Jackson is allowed back, is how many snaps he gets when Ford and Moore are healthy.
Many posters here seem to think that Ford and Moore are the 1-2 guys and that them being out hurt the offense more than having DHB.
I personally like DHB now. He stays healthy and proved to be productive on the field.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
We’ll see JFB. I’m tellin you. Big Boss Bruce Campbell will be in the starting lineup next year. hahaha
January 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
When we drafted DHB, I said he would be a better NFL player than Jamarcus or McFadden. Armond can vouch for this.
I bashed DHB all last year and the beginning of this year, but I should have just trusted my initial instincts.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
DHB’s best attribute is running after the catch. Hue needs to dump off more short balls to him. On longer routes he looks like he just started playing football last week. He is terrible on slants though.
DHB is like Chinese arithmetic…
January 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I hopw the steelers rip teblow a new one i cant stand the donkeys and i cant believe we gave them chumps a free ride to the playoffs damn shame how bad our defense is to let a team march 99 yards! In chrunch time! Pitiful
January 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Terrapin, you werent the only one either right from the start. I know I was too. And I know a few others who were also. But we were the minority for sure.
I still like DHB very much, the right mindset and work ethic, love the toughness, etc. But just posing the question about converting some value from one area due to so much needed in another area.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
SnB,you can’t help yourself.lol
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As Al Davis said paraphrasing…”I’d rather be consistent than right”
January 8th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
I hopw the steelers rip teblow a new one i cant stand the donkeys and i cant believe we gave them chumps a free ride to the playoffs damn shame how bad our defense is to let a team march 99 yards! In chrunch time! Pitiful
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Pitiful to say the least….someone has to fall on the sword for this one.
I might have to step away from the TV……the Raiders gave them this opportunity.
GAve up almost 300 yards rushing to those losers at home
January 8th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Giants were behind teh Raiders at one point.
Won 4 of last 5 and the one loss was a 38-35 gm to Green Bay.
Head Coach matters.
Raiders….
Lost 4 of last 5 and had a raggedy OT win against KC
WHile the head coach is getting pedicures.
Coughlin vs. Jackson.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
767
99 and a 1/2
January 8th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I hope he is Terrapin, so we get something out of that draft pick.
I just watched him stink to high-heaven in both preseasons, get hurt often, and wear sweats every weekend.
Haven’t seen anything that says he is starting material, but maybe it clicks in year 3.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Watching lito against floyd made me sick
January 8th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
We had a week to prepare for Tebow as well, and still made him look like a Pro Bowler.
That should have cost Chuck his job immediately, and put Hue on the hot seat, IMO.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
My big Raider man-crush at the moment is Pryor. Hoping Reggie likes him enough to give him a chance and that Pryor pulls his head in more and develops, demands the starting job thru merit.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
The only area where DHB ceiling is limited, per say, is I’m not sure how high he can naturally jump making toss ups potentially problematic. But DHB has unnatural speed, size and athletism to be killer on the field.
Last game dude had 9 receptions for 130yds~!! Finished the year #18 amoung all NFL WRs (Crabdiva #28). For those claiming he is only a YAC WR for short routes …LOOK AT THE STATS MAN!!! Dude averaged over 15ypc (Crabdiva, 12)!!! Sure he’s not deep like Moore or Ford but damn man, 15ypc is no slouch for the number of catches he had.
Next year will be even better for him. This year was his vindication. Next year will be his triumph.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Hue is on that HOT SEAT! yes sir!
January 8th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
DHB is cool. I was hard on the kid, but he made substantive leaps this year.
He’s good to go. Still has to work on his hands…but he gets open now…he is in the short passing game now.
You don’t get rid of YOUNG players that bring production.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Watching Floyd pointing at Lito before the snap, while looking at Rivers in the 4th qtr, makes me sick…
Why couldn’t we put ANYBODY else on him at that point?
DVD, could of at least challenged him for the bal, instead of Lito looking like a child playing with men…Shouldn’t teh HC at least have an IDEA wha tthe D is doing, instead of taking of his headset and watching us LOSE?
January 8th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
I don’t know bro …you may have to rewatch those preseason games. Big Boss Bruce Campbell has the BOSS on the field …his knee bend wasn’t there yet, but when he got his hands on you it was over. Dude was manhandling players out there.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
774.BewareofRaiders Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Watching lito against floyd made me sick
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The whole time I was saying put in DVD. It was ridiculous.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
778.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Hue is on that HOT SEAT! yes sir!
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Hopefully he is,
and not the heated chair at his favorite hair salon…
What a joke of a leader,
that he’s too busy to meet w/ his starting Qb,
but has the time to go and pose for pics for ESPN…
DISGUSTING
January 8th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
I don’t think Hue likes DHB though. He had DHB sitting out the one game Ford and Moore were both healthy.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
756.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“I have no problem with whatever decision McKenzie makes….”
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
You’ll be here complaining as soon as he doesn’t get rid of the players you want gone-ie. T.Kelly.
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Ha, Ha, Ha…..you don’t know that……
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Yes WE ALL do, lol!
January 8th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Yo Dizzles the Reggae Party Boast Crew just took over the beach volleyball court in front of the Catamaran.
Bartles & James in the hizzous, y’all
Set up a Cherokee style smoking tent to puff blunts & get undercover hand jiggidies from shorties. Insane in the membrane, word
Running a little low on Magnums but there’s an CVS a few blocks away. If only I had my man servant Krappy working this trip
January 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I just turned on the Tommy Kelly is a Raider countdown clock
January 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Ford and Moore are better than DHB. Or at least they were at the time.
Can’t see us getting rid of DHB AT ALL. We have a PERFECT Combo with DHB, Ford, and Moore.
Expect to see more 3 WR sets with them all healty next year.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The NFL Today – Charlie Casserly says he spoke to Hue’s agent. Hue has not been fired, but McKenzie will evaluate entire organization this week.
Not exactly a glowing endorsement.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I’m just not into these playoffs. It seems like a ripoff for me. The Raiders have the talent to beat most of these teams. Its a damn shame.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Only way Tommy Kelly gets traded is if we go 3-4.
You can print that, SnB.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I have no problem with any decision Reggie makes…
as long as he kicks Hue to the Curb.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
You can’t start Moore & Ford imho. Lineup too small – almost like Washington Redskin football. You have to start DHB and rotate the 3 of them. You need a force on the line.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I’m just not into these playoffs. It seems like a ripoff for me. The Raiders have the talent to beat most of these teams. Its a damn shame.
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Sure is…
Giants win 4 of last 5 with only loss to Green Bay by 3
Raiders lose 4 of last 5 with only win due to Seymours two blocked kicks.
One coach known for being too much of a hardazzz
The other known for ESPN spreads showing off his manicure
January 8th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I think Ford is a specialty type player that can wreak havoc on reverses, slot and deep. Moore will be a very good player even more so next year. DHB is that consistent force.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Who said Tommy Kelly had to be traded………
January 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Chuck B has to go! I hope his office is cleaned out! The way his play calls were he shouldnt be allowed in the building. I didnt see what al saw in him
January 8th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
A couple of years ago was the Gerard Warren / Terdell Sands countdown.
Now its time for TK to go on down the road.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Tuesday PC introducing Reggie, after spending a week moving his family etc, and probably wont have much news about any personnel/staff changes at the time of the PC. Spending the rest of Tuesday and the entire week day making his evaluations. Maybe next Monday we start seeing the wheel in motion with a lot of announced changes.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
We should have kept john marshall imo he couldnt be any worse than chuck bresnahan
January 8th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Hue is like the Captain of a sinking ship, that takes the only life boat for himself…
If Al had any viable/ legitimate HC candidates, Hue wouldn’t be our HC…just like Cable & kiffen.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
GG,
We will know what’s the deal by Friday
January 8th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
JUST DONT STRING THE THING OUT..SAY HUE IS THE HEAD COACH INTO THE FUTURE,OR HE HAS BEEN RELIEVED OF HIS DUTY’S AND THE ORGANISATION IS STARTING THE INTERVIEW PROCESS 4 A NEW HEADCOACH..
January 8th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
Yo the competition is getting mad fierce here at the beach volleyball court.
One of my shorties (cross eyed stripper from Spearmint Rhino) just squirted out her tampon diving for a save.
Anyway we’re boarding the Reggae Party Boat in an hour to get back in time to watch the Lake Show “Take a Wizz on the Grizz” (patent pending on my new hot phrase).
Yo, now we gots to pump up the Coolio, word
January 8th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Don’t get me wrong, remember opening night in Denver and how Hue began using Ford (before he got injured and behind). Thats what you will see next year. Ford is like Hue’s dynamic toy. I think you start Moore & DHB with Ford getting significant snaps in mulitple lineups.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
TerrapinRaider Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Don’t get me wrong, remember opening night in Denver and how Hue began using Ford (before he got injured and behind). Thats what you will see next year. Ford is like Hue’s dynamic toy. I think you start Moore & DHB with Ford getting significant snaps in mulitple lineups.
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IF Hue is retained….I hope you are right….
January 8th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
McKenzie…please keep in mind:
Giants win 4 of last 5 with only loss to Green Bay by 3
Raiders lose 4 of last 5 with only win due to Seymours two blocked kicks.
One coach known for being too much of a hardazzz
The other known for ESPN spreads showing off his manicure
January 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
The Raiders should be running out of the tunnel at the O, RIGHT NOW.
I hate you Hue.
Go Raiders!
January 8th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
The Raiders should be running out of the tunnel at the O, RIGHT NOW.
I hate you Hue
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Its not Hue its that damn Chuck B. Hue didnt want him to begin with.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
The phantom itch of the Raiders BURN.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
There’s nothing necessarily wrong with short receivers, look what Marino did in that Air Coryell system with his two main short speedy wideouts.
Ford and Moore are more playmakers, making plays on the ball, reel in deep throws, having to make sensational leaps, tracking balls overhead, running good deep routes. Murphy is probably the next best in that regard. DHB is more reliable running 5-10 yard curl and in-routes with passes into the bread-basket.
He’s actually making a case to be the Z not the X receiver that he was drafted to be.
January 8th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
This is the only game I’m interested in watching just to see the Broncos get blownout.
Raiders would have killed the Steelers (with an OK defense that is)
January 8th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
U R RESPONSIBLE 4 THE PEOPLE UNDER YOUR COMMAND..
January 8th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
new post
January 8th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Amidst the doom and gloom pessimism resulting from the Raider implosion down the stretch and the dreadful state of the defense, it should be noted that there were some positive developments this season.
The emergence of DHB as a legitimate WR.
Wiz and DMoore played well and appear to be solid additions.
But the most important development was that the Raiders moved away from the bottom tier, scrub of a QB, Jason Campbell.
This was an essential move.
Whether or not Carson Palmer pans out remains to be seen.
There is deserved skepticism about the Palmer trade. There is a widespread belief that the Raids overpaid for Palmer and that he might ultimately fail to be the franchise QB the Raids desperately need – but the move away from Campbell was an absolute necessity.
Raider fans should hope that another NFL team is foolish enough to sign JC and give him significant playing time. We can use the compensatory pick.
January 8th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
GG Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
For instance, what would you rather have DHB or a true stud NT?
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For Haoli Ngata? In a heartbeat…but only if we ran a 3-4..if were still running the 4-3 what is the point..A?) and B) What other NT would you give up DHB for? We can’t keep dumping our first round picks for nothing..I have seen too many wild assed scenarios from people who want to dump our first rounders for a 3rd or a 4th round pick it makes me sick. Yeah, lets give up McFadden for a 2nd and a 5th rounder…WTF ever…
January 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Should be the last time we see Tebow start at QB in the NFL though.
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Crazy-talk.
You might see him start next week.
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In Jimmy Connors Voice: “You CANT be serious!!!!!!!”
January 8th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
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January 8th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I want to vomit – Denver wins in OT.
January 8th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
MikieG Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 8th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Should be the last time we see Tebow start at QB in the NFL though.
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Crazy-talk.
You might see him start next week.
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In Jimmy Connors Voice: “You CANT be serious!!!!!!!”
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Too bad Jimmy Connors NEVER said, “You can’t be serious!!!!!”
That was McEnroe. Duh.
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