Report: McKenzie ‘contemplating’ whether to retain Jackson
By Steve Corkran
Monday, January 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm in Oakland Raiders.
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said today that recently hired general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to retain coach Hue Jackson.
McKenzie will be introduced by the Raiders on Tuesday, less than a week after he reached agreement to become the team’s general manager. It is uncertain whether Jackson will be part of the proceedings Tuesday.
From what I have been told from several people familiar with the situation, Jackson is expected back for a second season as the Raiders head coach, though McKenzie has not signed off on that as of yet.
Mortensen’s report cited unnamed league sources. Jackson and McKenzie have the same agent, Kennard McGuire. McKenzie and Jackson are scheduled to meet at some point, perhaps as soon as tonight or Tuesday morning, depending upon McKenzie’s arrival in the Bay Area.
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January 9th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
It’s about damn time!
January 9th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
C’mon Man. Why even bother?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Can McKenzie get us a new blogger?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
In Reggie We Trust.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Same old… He’s leaving… He’s not leaving… …
January 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
i hope mckenzie brings in moss…blast from the past
January 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So basically, no one has a clue what is really going on.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
So basically, no one has a clue what is really going on.
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It means that Hue will definitely be here next season.
Unless he isn’t.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Lol…maybe yes…. Maybe No …..those story’s are funny… Like we didn’t know that Reggie’s gonna make a decision one way or the other..
January 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Jackson and McKenzie have the same agent, Kennard McGuire.
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Apparently that’s not true anymore? Apparently McKenzie let McGuire go and signed on with Rosenhaus.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
ESPN + Mortensen + unnamed league sources = BSPN
January 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Sources close to the situation…..Really?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
GG Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Jackson and McKenzie have the same agent, Kennard McGuire.
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Apparently that’s not true anymore? Apparently McKenzie let McGuire go and signed on with Rosenhaus.
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Link, please.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
And bspn = herrera
January 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
GG-you actually believe anything written by Rockstar?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Lol at post 3….
Where is the report that McKenzie fired his agent?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
#1822
I’ve been wondering how the players really feel about Hue. It’s hard to tell if Hue lost the whole team or just the Defense, seems like some players did quit on him. It will be interesting to see if McKenzie is the type to take the time and evaluate the staff or come out firing both six shooters.
Some exciting times coming up for Raiders fans.
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If Hue lost the defense it was because he didn’t rescue them from Bresnahan. Granted, he couldn’t do anything while Al was still breathing but after the fact he could have done something you would think. Maybe there was just no one on staff that could do any better than Bresnahan. That’s a scary thought and if true, maybe the entire group of Defe4nsive assistants should be canned.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
I’m spit because I’d really like to see some continuity, but I’m leaning toward the fire Hue side. He just doesn’t seem to have the stuff to be head coach. A lot of talk and unable to back it. Not to mention he is in trouble with the locker room after throwing the players under the bus. Add to that the mistakes (rookie or not, way too many) and i think we can do better.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
If any players “quit on Hue” cut their arses yesterday.We were in a fight for the division title.If a player quit under those circumstances I wouldn’t want him on any team I was associated with.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Routts 2010 numbers were ok… But this year he dropped off … 17 penalties is to much…
January 9th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Pesky politicians holding up Raider stadium…or is it the Raider fans and their “image”?
“He never mentions Camp Parks in Dublin, another East Bay site that would seem worthy of consideration — if they were serious about staying north of Fremont. All this site offers is two major highways, I-580 and I-680, nearby, BART being a 10-minute walk from the entrance and a favorable land deal.
The Raiders scouted Camp Parks during an open house a few years back but were rejected. When then-mayor Janet Lockhart visualized negotiations with Al Davis and imagined stereotypical Raiders fans in her city, she shook her head and closed the door.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/ci_19706864?source=rss&cid=dlvr.it
January 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Routt as #1 makes you appreciate Aso even more.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/09/report-mckenzie-contemplating-hue-jacksons-future/
PFT says the same thing.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
AP is reporting that Mckenzie is contemplating cutting DMAC.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Really, Lefty. A player “quits” in a season where the last game is for the playoffs. But that doesn’t give any kind of glimpse into the character of that player. Just blame the coach.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
I feel ok with whatever McKenzie decides… That’s why you have a GM… If he’s ok with Hue then so am I …. They gotta be on the same page… I don’t think McKenzie will hold Hue responsible for the D…but he will for the O..
January 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Agree lefty. That’s one thing that has been frustrating about the raiders the last few years. It’s time fore the return of pride and poise. Commitment to excellence. Etc etc. stop talking about it and start putting your heart in it. We need to be a place players want to come again.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Lefty… Agree..
January 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Could be that while DMac was a future HOF’er in Al Davis’s eyes, he’s an injury prone, potential waste of roster space and $$$ to the SB champion GB packers and their proteges.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Sulli, try reading before you post. Think you just agreed with lefty on accident
January 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Exectly… You shouldn’t have to like your Boss ( coach ) to play hard and care about winning…
January 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Who won the MUP?
January 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
With McKenzie, the players’ oasis that Oakland once was is no more. You’re either bringing the lumber or you’re gone.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
GG-you actually believe anything written by Rockstar?
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Lol, true. Fool me once shame on YOU Lefty.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I mean shame on you Raider Rockstar
sorry Lefty.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
I’m hoping the biggest change brought here by McKenzie is accountability.No more will players know the guy at the top has their back regardless of what they do.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Lefty, that’s going to be huge. That’s really been the killer of this team. It’s not that our players were that bad. A lot of them, too many, really, just didn’t have the pressure to perform that they’d have elsewhere. Unless of course they were brought in by someone else, like Kiffin or Gruden. Marcus Allen thinks Al was so tough on him because Wolf wanted him, while Al didn’t. Either way, it’s just been a mess in the past decade.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Yep. All due respect to Al as he built what we love, but he also broke us.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I HATE CHRIS MORTENSON
all he ever reports on are b.s. stories like this where all he does is f’ing speculate on stories everybody’s already assumed to be true.
Oh the Colts will draft Andrew Luck, thanks Morty
Oh the Raiders are thinking about Hue Jackson’s status, thanks Morty.
NO SH*T!
January 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
AP is reporting that Mckenzie is contemplating cutting DMAC.
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Link, please.
January 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
AP is reporting that Mckenzie is contemplating cutting DMAC.
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Link, please.
Come on Duck, you know Bo and his feelings towards DMAC! LOL
January 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
What is funny about this post is that I read that this morning…Steve realized that the previous post had about 1700 posts and decided to run this one…lol
January 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
I wouldn’t cut him,but maybe try and get a 4th or 5th rd pick for him.lol.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Al giveth Al taketh. He embarrassed us in recent years, but he did give us 3 Super Bowls, cool uniforms, and Greg Papa.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Is Greg papa the “taketh?”
January 9th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Like I said, you have to wonder if this view of DMac being next great NFL RB is only shared amongst us. Perhaps in the minds of the world champion Green Bay Packers, he’s really more of an injury prone liability and overpriced.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
You don’t like Pappa?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
“Who won the MUP?”.
I’d say DHB,but I’m biased since I picked him.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Ain’t it a shame you see bama and lsu defenses going all out and our defense gave up? Pitiful watching this
January 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Papa is OK,but he can’t hold Bill King’s microphone.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
No one deserves the MUP
January 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Bo rules..he been right about dmac…we were all wrong…dmac didn’t wanna hulk up…fugg him…4 years and can’t play a full season
January 9th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Was only kidding. But can take him or leave him. Actually surprised you like him given some of the stuff you say. He is the epitome of a homer. Absolutely no ability to see anything critical regarding the Raiders. I would much prefer honesty. He probably still thinks Jamarcus is going to be great “get over it” just because Al said so. At the same time gotta appreciate him for loving the Raiders.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
KK Munster & MR surface at the same time after a spooning/reach around session.
Imagine that…
January 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
McKenzie contemplating? Sure he is…I was praying for hue to get axe but its looking bad….at least we get a 1st rounder in 2013 draft….cuz we not going anywhere with hue and palmer
January 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Papa is OK,but he can’t hold Bill King’s microphone.
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Well, duh. I was trying to think of current things Al’s given us. You guys want to take Pappa off the list, be my guest. I always thought he was one of the few bright spots here. HE’s one of the best radio commentators in the game, and this has been said around the league.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
It makes sense if you believe the report that Hue lost parts of the team when he let McClain play. The team obviously didnt show up in Miami. It would make sense for McKenzie to ponder retaining Hue. That his job to evaluate the entire org…..especially the HC.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Lefty the Libtard,
Im still in disbelief you said the NYG are winning because of Eli’s arm during a playoff game in which the NYG defense pitched a shutout.
Who ties your shoes in the morning ?
Velcro ?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Mista…..this 2012 has sure sucked on the sports front….A’s quitting before season Raider wimped out and Warriors? Well shhhit….not cool…well 2nd half in bcs title game…see ya
January 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Eli= better than Palmer
January 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
It’s not Pappa’s role to be critical. He’s indirectly employed by the team. He’s not really a journalist. And that’s the case for every radio commentator. They all root for their team. That’s why most of them have an ex player of the team they cover as color commentator.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
I’m a Greg Papa fan, but he said (before the season) the Raiders had the best defensive line in football.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Looking at Jim Harbaugh in SF makes you question the importance of continuity. A rookie HC can have a major impact. If McKenzie wants to eventually pull the plug this would be the time to do it.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Can’t argue with any of this.
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Method To My Madness Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Mista…..this 2012 has sure sucked on the sports front….A’s quitting before season Raider wimped out and Warriors? Well shhhit….not cool…well 2nd half in bcs title game…see ya
January 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I think MB and Brien are the types of guys who like to pretend they’re tough, but at the end of the day they go home and pound each other in the ass.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
MR,
Q-How do you starve an Ohbama supporter?
A-Hide their food stamps under their work shoes.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Sullivan, big difference between not being critical an unable to see facts. Though I’m sure if he said anything remotely critical while Al was around he would have gotten the Gannon treatment. But still. I just prefer some reality in the mix.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
I think MB and Brien are the types of guys who like to pretend they’re tough, but at the end of the day they go home and pound each other in the ass.
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You are probably true.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
rather have the 2nd round pick in 2013
January 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Cant wait to watch the McKenzie presser tom. Should be interesting. Lets see if Hue is there? Lets see how Mark handles himself? Lets see how McKenzie handles himself? Lets see how McKenzie addresses his plans for the future. Are we going to a 3-4? Cant wait! The only thing missing is Al with the overhead projector.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I think niner fans are in for a rude awakening with Harbaugh. I see Singletary’s team with better offensive playcalling. Wait till those defensive players start getting away.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
not having a first round pick three years in a row though, even should we reach the AFC Championship; that is a major hole in the Raiders’ future.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Maybe McKenzie is meeting with Saunders to see his take and if he can run the offense without Hue. If so, then Hue might be a goner because he then can bring in Moss and possibly Kevin Greene as DC.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Jew
January 9th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Sorry, just testing out the banned words.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Look at MB and Brien comment to each other and pat each other on the back. Foreplay?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I think Hue’s playcalling vs. Detroit was an F performance. He also made a bonehead decision on the coin flip in the exhibition opener, and decided to go for it on 4th down with a 14 point lead vs. Cleveland. That’s why Hue is not a slam dunk at the job. I will go on record and say that unless we get somebody of Gruden or Cowher caliber, give him one more season.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
71. Hard to believe you said that. Wow!
January 9th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
I think niner fans are in for a rude awakening with Harbaugh. I see Singletary’s team with better offensive playcalling. Wait till those defensive players start getting away.
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Who cares if they lose at this point. A win is a win is a win. You cant argue with 13-3. No one expected that. Im not a Niner fan but Im a football fan. Got to give up props when I see it.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
IF THE RAIDERS STUNK IT UP WHEN BILL KING WAS IN THE BOOTH,HE SAID SO..PAPA IS GOOD.TOM FLORES NEEDS TO CUT BACK ON THE COCTAILS B4 BREAKFAST ON GAMEDAY..
January 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Beach, now it says my comment is awaiting moderation. LMAO
January 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
The only thing missing in that joke is how illegal’s always find a way to be registered Dems.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
50.lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Papa is OK,but he can’t hold Bill King’s microphone.
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Truer words were never spoken. I still miss Bill King.
In other news, it looks like Bama’s going to beat LSU tonight. Pretty ironic that they’re doing it with FGs too, since it was the missed ones in the last game that cost them the W.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Romney: “I like firing people”. He should work that into his concession speech this November.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Personally I think Hue stays. You replace the DC and the defense gets better. You replace him and Hue then the defense still get better but the offense regresses. Either way the defense gets better but you run the risk of the offense taking a step back.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
“Madden’s out on the field. He wants to know if it’s real. They tell him it is and get your big butt outta here. He does.”
Who was THAT guy?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
I can’t argue with 13-3 but I could certainly interject that they have nearly the same team as they had last year, and if Singletary just had a better offensive playcaller, they could have gone 13-3 with him as HC too.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Fire his a$$! “Build a Bully”–Fail….Reduce penalties–Colosal Fail…playoff/”Coach said ‘Hue, we’ll win in the end’ blah blah”–Fail… Manicured Nails? Fabulous!
January 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
this article is the same as reggie contemplating what to eat for dinner…its a safe article by mort…he fires him mort is right..he keeps him and u know what?.mort is right again!..why even bother posting it in the first place
January 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Pappa had classic lines, too. Tuck game: “I’ll tell you what, they reverse it again, and give it back to the Raiders? I’m outta here.”
January 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Thats what make Jim Harbaugh so amazing. Its the same frickin team as of last year. If McK knows another Jim Harbaugh than lets boot Hue.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Lol at 66.
Tru statement
January 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
86.djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
“Madden’s out on the field. He wants to know if it’s real. They tell him it is and get your big butt outta here. He does.”
Who was THAT guy?
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THAT guy was the aforementioned Bill King. He had a million of ‘em. He also had an incredible ability to convey drama; didn’t matter what the score was or who was ahead, he always had a way of keeping you on the edge of your seat. One of the all-time greats.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Bill King.
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Djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
“Madden’s out on the field. He wants to know if it’s real. They tell him it is and get your big butt outta here. He does.”
Who was THAT guy?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
BREAKING NEWS: ESPN’S Chris Mortensen reports Reggie Mckenzie is contemplating taking a sh*+ and wiping his a$$ with toilet paper.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Roll tide!
January 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Want to learn to scheme to stop the read option?
Get the Alabama defense’s game film from tonight’s game.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Steve Cockran,
You are a useless beat writer.
How about writing something fresh for a change instead of rehashing old news? Seriously.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Dam that fool tore up his leg.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Thanks Ed and Mista.
I didn’t live in close enough proximity to avail myself of the pelasures of listening to him. Somebody told me it was the SD announcer on that call and I said I didn’t think so.
That call has to go down as the one of the all time classics.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Yeah, Harbaugh’s “amazing” because he knows you can’t just run the ball every play.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Lsu qb is bout to get cheap shoted
January 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
McKenzie went into the film room starting with the preseason games. When Jackson effed up the very lst coin flip as head coach McKenzie just shut down the dvd player and started drafting up termination instructions.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
Take the energy and enthusiasm and fight that the Chiefs, Dolphins, Seahawks and Broncos have shown recently….the former not having anything to play for.
And compare that to the way the Raiders played down the stretch starting with the Miami game….including the win against K.C..
That’s a problem for me.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Hue probably had the job locked up until he announced that he was going to move Huff to cb.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Maybe McKenzie is meeting with Saunders to see his take and if he can run the offense without Hue. If so, then Hue might be a goner because he then can bring in Moss and possibly Kevin Greene as DC.
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this could be a possibilty
January 9th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
And Lechler isn’t a “placement” kicker.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
McKenzie went into the film room starting with the preseason games. When Jackson effed up the very lst coin flip as head coach McKenzie just shut down the dvd player and started drafting up termination instructions.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
McKenzie went into the film room starting with the preseason games. When Jackson effed up the very lst coin flip as head coach McKenzie just shut down the dvd player and started drafting up termination instructions
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Well if he’s that cut and dry some front office employees better hope he doesn’t watch tape of press conferences in recent years to evaluate their behavior.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Huge Greg Papa fan. He is perfect for Football suked at Warriors.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
McKenzie, step up like a man and do the right thing -
Fire Hue
Hire Gruden
Man, I was barely able to wake up in time for the game after my penthouse party last night. This Colombian model tried to talk me into being her boyfriend. Shorty be trippin’
Time to smoke a spliff and bust a toke on this freaky South American ganja
January 9th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I know LSU is not exactly an offensive juggernaut, but this has to be one of the greatest defensive performances in a championship game by any team I’ve ever seen. Right up there with the Bears’ and Ravens’ Super Bowl wins.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Jamista there is a viagra ad on. You should probably check it out.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Al Davis to Wolf to McKenzie. I think that chain of command is gonna restore the glory…just give it a second. But, and there always is one, there are big issues 1 what to do with hubert? 2 who and what style def? 3 Which def. Players get moved 4 overall personel and draft
January 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Chris Mort reports that McKenzie will be flying to Oakland.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
CP is not a gruden type QB.
If the raiders fire hue. Than they better keep saunders for continuity.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Only a 7yr old try and make this joke.
lmao
Peymour, I hit you with your own words and what do you do ? You try and crack a viagra infomercial joke? You are a pitiful fuktard.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Jamista there is a viagra ad on. You should probably check it out.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Hire Moss & let Saunders interview for OC. Hate to think what would happen if the Raiders went to an offense Palmer is ill equipped (i.e.; the dreaded WCO)to run. . .
January 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
That Alabama defense finds a way to stop Detroit on that 98 yd. drive.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
It wasn’t a joke Jamista. Try viagra.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I dont want to start over again but we may be better off not having any potential mgmt distraction in 2012. I’m all for cleaning house and starting off fresh with a new gm and his hand picked staff.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
I can see McKenzie stripping Hue of his play calling and inserting Saunders there. But Saunders may not even want to be here Im sure Hue didn’t give him any rope.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Sean Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Fire his a$$! “Build a Bully”–Fail….Reduce penalties–Colosal Fail…playoff/”Coach said ‘Hue, we’ll win in the end’ blah blah”–Fail… Manicured Nails? Fabulous!
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Damn. You nailed it.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
MB, who’s on top tonight, you or Brien?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
Go pet your cat, numnuts.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
It wasn’t a joke Jamista. Try viagra.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If the Raiders would have had a decent defense we would have won the division and could have had 9,10, or 11 wins at least. Buffalo 21-3 halftime lead and the score on 5 straight possessions, Detroit- up by 13 with 7 min left and they drive 71 and 98 yds to win it. Denver- up 24-13 and then let Tebow and his crew run for 299 yds. San Diego-0 punts,almost 500 yds of total offense and a 99 yd drive after pulling within 5. Hue doesn’t need to be fired. The defense just needs to be fixed.
As far as Harbaugh, San Francisco had the 4th ranked defense and the 26th ranked offense. If hue had the 26th ranked offense he would be fired cause we would be 1-15 or something like that.
January 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Ask yur mum she’s in the middle.
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
MB, who’s on top tonight, you or Brien?
January 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Yeah, this is ALL Palmers fault just ask Peymour Bish she will tell you…
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Hackraid Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
If the Raiders would have had a decent defense we would have won the division and could have had 9,10, or 11 wins at least. Buffalo 21-3 halftime lead and the score on 5 straight possessions, Detroit- up by 13 with 7 min left and they drive 71 and 98 yds to win it. Denver- up 24-13 and then let Tebow and his crew run for 299 yds
January 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Slowland mclazy just got some pub…too bad he turned into a useless slug.
And lsu is lethargic…..imagine that?
January 9th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
not having a first round pick three years in a row though, even should we reach the AFC Championship; that is a major hole in the Raiders’ future.
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This is just plain stupid logic. We had early first round pics for seven years in a row and we were the perennial bottom dwellers of the league that entire time. Draft picks aren’t a sure thing… FA’s can be. We just need to go hard in free agency and we’ll be fine. I don’t give two poops about first round picks. Heck, we took Jawalrus over Calvin Johnson, how’d that turn out again.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
MAY BE A SLEEPLESS NIGHT 4 A FEW MEMBERS OF RAIDER STAFF..
January 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
No one can understand your disemboddied ramblings jamista. Try taking that Cleveland Brown Dawg mask off you loser.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Where the heck is Brien? I want to give him some crap for that arse whoopin the Kansas State Wildcats put on his beloved Mizzou kitty cats. That was hilarious!
January 9th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
I think it would be a classic Raider moment if:
McKensie (LIVE ON TV) “We would like to thank John Herrera for his years of service and we wish him well in his future endeavors.”
Herrera: “That’s not right.”
McKensie: “Exactly. If security would now escort Mr.Herrera to his car…” (APPLAUSE.)
January 9th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
At least Mathieu tried to make a play. Not real smart, but sometimes the element of surprise can give you that little crease you need to break one.
Bama is just swarming, though. Pretty obvious who wants this one more.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
McKensie should be given authority to fire men of clay feet like Herrera…
January 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
MB, whenever you go to “mums”, yur mad. I’m just messing with you about you and Brien. Lighten up.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Yeah man the natives are restless down here. Gonna be a somber day tomorrow.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Suffocating defense. No penalties.
Must be nice.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Not to mention when Jon Gruden went to Tampa in 2001 the Raiders got 2 first round picks and 2 second round picks. Surely we got much better with all those picks. Wrong! 7 straight years of 11 losses or more soon followed
January 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
These LSU coaches act like they didn’t see the Denver game yesterday. You gotta throw the ball down field.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Still an eternity left in the national champ game
January 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
But you are spot on!
January 9th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
Blow to the head of Jefferson. No Call.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
132-he’s here under his other moniker.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
140.504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
These LSU coaches act like they didn’t see the Denver game yesterday. You gotta throw the ball down field.
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Problem is that they can’t block Alabama’s pass rush. Jefferson doesn’t have time to throw downfield. What makes it even more impressive is that Bama is blowing up their screens, too.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Why isn’t LSU using Jarrett Lee? It’s obvious JJefferson can’t play.
None has EVER been shut out in a BCS game.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Blow to the head? This isn’t the pussified NFL, this is college ball baby.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
LSU getting their Bayou butts whipped.
Geaux home.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
How many quarters have these teams played withou a td…nevermind, there it is lol
January 9th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Not a ‘Bama fan,but watching LSU getting their ass kicked is sweet.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
147.Dakota Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:19 pm
Blow to the head? This isn’t the pussified NFL, this is college ball baby.
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How nice is it to not see the “officials” stop the game every third play. Let the players decide who wins, not some clown in a striped shirt with a four minute explanation of some obscure rule that nobody’s ever heard of.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
“Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.”
You have been outed Sandusky44
Now stop saying “WE” when referring to the Raiders or its fan base or I will post this like a KK posting (over and over and over)
January 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Well, Jordan Jefferson will have a good career selling insurance.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Richardson looked like Emmitt Smith on that TD run.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
The raider d would still lose this game.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
If Reggie brings in Moss as the DC, then everyone will start speculating that he is waiting to replace Hue. We dont want that. Let’s get everyone on the same page or allow Hue to pick his own DC. If Reggie picks the DC, then it will give fuel to mgmt dysfunction.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nick Saban is a psycho.
He looks like he’s ticked off.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
“Slowland mclazy just got some pub…too bad he turned into a useless slug.”
Its hard to believe he played on that great defense…I bet I can define the exact moment he started to suck…once he cashed that big ass check!
January 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
This Bama defense is better than the Raiders D.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
ATTENTION REGGIE MCKENZIE
The Case Against Hue Jackson:
I make this case acknowledging that Hue did wonders with our Offense (that is why new OC’s are brought in), that we had many injuries (most teams do), and that the organization experienced a great hardship mid-season (most teams don’t).
1. PRODUCTION
-Doesn’t matter how I spin it or you spin it, Hue failed, period. He took an 8-8 team to 8-8. Any coach who loses 4 of his last 5 games should be on thin ice.
2. THE GAMBLE
-Good on Hue, he rolled the dice, but lost. He mortgaged the future for playoffs this year (and years to come)…and lost. Now he has to pay The Piper, with his pink slip.
3. ROSTER MANAGEMENT
-Did not have a capable backup QB.
-Correct me if I’m wrong fellow Raider fans, but it was incredible how few cornerbacks were active for gameday throughout the season. One game we had 2 active CB’s, I can’t recall ever seeing that before. Many nickel, and most dime packages were filled with safeties and not cornerbacks.
4. SOMETHING SPECIAL HERE & BUILDING-A-BULLY
-I heard Hue after games going on and on about there being ’something special here’. He was wrong. His leadership and coaching did not deliver ’something special’.
-Building-A-Bully put undue pressure on the players who ultimately didn’t handle it or deliver it.
5. PENALTIES
*disclosure*
I’m a conspiracy theorist, but I no longer care who is to blame, be it the Raiders or The League, because between commercials and penalties Raider games are becoming increasingly unwatchable. You know there is a problem when you catch yourself no longer cheering for big plays because you are waiting to see if there is a penalty. If the Raiders and the NFL want my time and $’s, they need to get a handle on this. That being said…
-He recognized the problem, said he would fix the problem, and did not fix the problem.
6. BODY LANGUAGE
-Go back and watch the 4th quarter of the Raider-Charger game, and watch Hue’s body language, it’s horrible. Hue gave up/conceded while the game was still on the line, and then put it on the players at the post game presser. He did not inspire players.
Reggie, for the sake of the Raider organization and for Hue, send Hue Jackson on his way. Start anew, start the Mark Davis era fresh, without distractions (that includes firing or reassigning John Herrera and Mike Taylor).
ATTENTION REGGIE MCKENZIE…BUILD A CHAMPION!
January 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Jerry said Reggie would run the team in the Green Bay fashion, which means the HC chooses his staff.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
157.djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nick Saban is a psycho.
He looks like he’s ticked off.
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Bama was offside on the LSU punt. Their only penalty of the game. Saban is beside himself. Hue Jackson wanted some ideas on how to stop the penalties? If he’s still employed in two weeks he should give Nick Saban a call.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
159-your local high school’s defense might be better than the Raiders.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
So when do they play the national championship since they are now tied with one win each?
January 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Hey Herrera, if I were you’d I’d stop wasting time writing a case to fire Hue and instead punch up your resume`.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Cant wait for Mckenzie to right this ship, I think Hue should get at least one more year. The reason being is the D was awful as everyone knows, I truly believe that we have the players in place to at least be in the playoffs not to mention we should have won the division. I’m wasn’t expecting the Raiders to win all of they’re games but I did think that the Buffalo,Detroit and the last San diego games were entirely winnable. That would have put us at 11-5 for the season,some games will be dog fights that’s when a nasty defense will win you those types of games that we should have won.
However I look at the games in which this team came out absolutely lifeless, the Miami game, the last San Diego game, that falls squarely on the head coach for not having his men ready,not only the Defensive coach.
And I also dont like the way Hue seemed to make a power grab during the season,trying to act like AL Davis,then his rant after the debacle loss to SD.
I guess I should look on the positive side, I’ve suffered for several decades with this team and have put up with everything imaginable. This team imo has almost all the tools to win the big one and I truly feel that way,at least Mckenzie wont have to do to much tweaking (I hope).
RAIDER SPRING FOREVER
January 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Djohnny-I guarantee your local high school’s DC is better than the one the Raiders employed this year.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Puke…can’t believe the ignorant Alabama folks will have more reasons to think they are better than everyone else….yuck….
January 9th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Alabama d-coordinator on flight to interview for raiders.
Sources say he is a shoe in for defensive coordinator job.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
170-we could only hope!
January 9th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
i cant believe our guys on defense must not realize whats happening .they are in a position that very few people will see.they are oakland raiders .that sentence alone should spark some pride, at least get them to show some heart .and if i was coach and you made a tackle during the game you better act like it wasnt your first no dancing in the middle of the field,no superman ,gun slinger BS.if you dont score points its just another play.and for gods sake your an OAKLAND FRICKING RAIDER act like it on the field and off the field,put your bb gun away ,if you got a problem with someone grab them with your hands and squish until you feel better.and for crying out loud you better not be doing no drive bys
January 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
“Seymour Bush Says:
January 7th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 6th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Be careful Sully. Some will think you are me.
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MR confused over which handle he is posting as. Sad. So sad.”
You have been outed Sandusky44
January 9th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
169 who would be in line to replace him,that could factor in on approval bill calahan no way bill cower thats big fat grin and a nod in approval and maybe just maybe yes on tom cable if hue stayed as co head coach. cable would kick they azz if he got the urge ,and hue could call plays if thats all he had to do
January 9th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
162.edward teach Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
157.djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nick Saban is a psycho.
He looks like he’s ticked off.
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Bama was offside on the LSU punt. Their only penalty of the game. Saban is beside himself. Hue Jackson wanted some ideas on how to stop the penalties? If he’s still employed in two weeks he should give Nick Saban a call.
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You forgot to mention that they had a 21-0 lead with a minute to go.
January 9th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
170.da trinity Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Alabama d-coordinator on flight to interview for raiders.
Sources say he is a shoe in for defensive coordinator job.
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No way Nick Saban leaves Bama to work for Hue.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Here’s the problem, one which Hue created in his last two pressers by undermining the confidence even his supporters had in him. (Like me).
When players feel that a coach has been given a very short leash, is hanging by a thread, might not have his contract renewed, they often don’t put out, esp. if they’ve reason not to like the coach.
Previous Raider players knew that Al would side with players over the coach, a failing of Al’s.
This business of whether or not Hue will be retained for the final year of his contract has received too much speculation in the press already. If he is retained by Reggie, the players know it’s only for one year. That’s not good. In order to have power over your players, you need more than that …or else we’re right back to Raider players feeling they don’t need to pay attention to their head coach.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Keep Hue for atleast one more full season. Bring in Winston Moss as D coord, if Hue is what yall thought he was by the end of next season, then replace him with Moss. He still (Hue) does deserve a second season chance, I think.
Either way, fahq the donkeys and
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Chris,
Put me down for keep Hue.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Draft the entire Bama D and replace ours.
Guaranteed improvement.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
If Hue does come back…he is probably going to have no love for the defensive players and injured players that cost him a “Bill Belicheck” type arrangement as defacto – owner / GM
Now, he has to re-interview for his job with a clear boss who holds all the power….already on the hot seat.
Yup…Hue comes back those guys on defense will probably catch some hell…and they should
January 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Common Sense says that Hue stays. Here’s why. Hue has a year left on his contract. So if Bres gets fired and can’t leave for another 12 days, you think they gonna fire Hue and keep him around for 365.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Did that fool just say “the Hunted is much more effective than the Hunter?”
January 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
169.
Keep Hue
January 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I’m sorry but Tom Cable and his hip-hip-hoorays and his suckerpunches are long gone. He’s off to Seattle now where he no doubt spends his days lobbying to replace Marshawn Lynch with Justin Fargas and daydreaming about the glory days when he used to snap towels with Mark Schlereth in the Idaho University locker room.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
177-If we have a bunch of players who won’t ‘put out’ because they don’t respect the coach while we are in 1st or fighting for the division title,we need to get rid of every damn one of them because it shows they lack character.This is professional football.If you aren’t happy,you preform,play out your contract,and move on.You shouldn’t quit because your panties are ruffled.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
180.Sweep The Leg. Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Draft the entire Bama D and replace ours.
Guaranteed improvement.
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Careful what you wish for. The first game after the bye week our defense might arrive to the game in a patty wagon.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Sulli, never, ever try to be a man again. Never let the words of Camp Parks ever cross your lips again. That is my old Army Reserve base. You are a Navy guy, because the only thing that crosses your lips is Seamen.
If Hue is released, so be it.
If he is retained, he will be humble and best learn when to go for 2 and to call plays that go out of bounds whe Raiders have no time outs.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Tom Cable is the Seahawks skittles coordinator.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Careful what you wish for. The first game after the bye week our defense might arrive to the game in a patty wagon.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This coming from an LSU fan with a thug like Jefferson as your QB.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
i get that i was just saying i think the two of them together make a better coach than either one alone .they both have something the other doesnt,hue great offense cable will kick your ass if you piss him off or quit on the team or just not show up
January 9th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
177-If we have a bunch of players who won’t ‘put out’ because they don’t respect the coach while we are in 1st or fighting for the division title,we need to get rid of every damn one of them because it shows they lack character.This is professional football.If you aren’t happy,you preform,play out your contract,and move on.You shouldn’t quit because your panties are ruffled.
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I couldn’t agree with you more, but practically speaking, there is, of course, no way to “get rid of every damn one of them” at one time. Sadly, it only takes a handful of them at key spots to do damage.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
The Keep Hue crowd rallies late. Two point game.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Put me in the keep hue as head coach list
January 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
if hue would have had a scape goat to cut early mid season he would have got some attention when he spoke ala gruden will cut your azz if you drop a punt .dont ask for respect ,take it
January 9th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Luvmarv-You get rid of the mouths first and hope the message sinks in.To me that is one of the reasons football is great.Unlike the NBA,the inmates shouldn’t and can’t run the asylum if you want to be successful.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
A skittle coordinator? LMAO!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Reggie needs to clean house from top to bottom. Too many lap dogs and token positions in that organization. Trim the fat and the fat heads. Al is gone, break out the Febreze and spray that stank away. Out with the old and in with the new. You had better ego down Hue!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
160–
I think a lot of coaches who lost their first string qb for the season and their best player on offense, their running back, would have struggled to keep the team at 8-8.
Consider this: do you think that a coach who didn’t go and get Carson Palmer would have wound up even at .500? with a good chance the last game of the season to make the playoffs?
As many criticisms as I have of Hue, I think of the other recent coaches we have had, with the exception of Gruden, and believe that with this year’s troubles, all of them would have fallen short of .500.
I have a lot of mixed feelings about Hue. All in all, I want Reggie to keep him, support him, and hope that Hue continues to progress as a head coach. The determining factor for me is that we’ve had no stability the last decade and that never is good for a team. Do we want the offense having to learn yet another system for the coming season?
January 9th, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Hue isnt going anywhere….Give him a shot with a defense that doesnt give up 5 yards a carry and over 30 tds
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
201 good point im sure i couldnt have done any better ,but i would have gone for two
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
190.lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Careful what you wish for. The first game after the bye week our defense might arrive to the game in a patty wagon.
!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
This coming from an LSU fan with a thug like Jefferson as your QB.
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Jefferson didn’t start the fight. Jefferson is banging this Ex-Marine’s ex-girlfriend and the Ex-Marine saw them at the club that night. Even though said Ex-Marine was with his new girlfriend didn’t matter as he was upset that Jefferson was piping down the ex-girlfriend.
He attacked Jefferson and the O-Line jumped all over the dude just like it was a live game. The only eye witness that CLAIMED Jefferson kicked the dued in the head was the Ex-Marine’s new girlfriend.
Result: Charges dropped.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said today that recently hired general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to retain coach Hue Jackson.
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DUH! Really Mort… Really?!!
Of corse he is contemplating whether to retain Hue or not! That is why he was hired! He will ” contemplate” everything about the Football side of this Franchise you dummy.
Mort is just a mouth piece Azz Hat with nothing to say, so he talks out his azz. Way to go Morty, you should be Paparazzi Azz Clown of the Year!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Players that quit are turds. If the players quit on hue, release them.
It’s a shame that a professional football player would chump out like that. We don’t need our defense filled with a bunch if randy moss’s.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I am somewhat shocked that list is so evenly split, especially since the second half isn’t all “fire Hue” folks. Many of them are more just on the fence.
A lot more Hue hate comes through in the comments, but I’m encouraged that many Raiders fans do recognize that Hue has done a good job and want to see him stick around, despite the lingering sting of missing the playoffs in that last game.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Pesky politicians holding up Raider stadium…or is it the Raider fans and their “image”?
“He never mentions Camp Parks in Dublin, another East Bay site that would seem worthy of consideration — if they were serious about staying north of Fremont. All this site offers is two major highways, I-580 and I-680, nearby, BART being a 10-minute walk from the entrance and a favorable land deal.
The Raiders scouted Camp Parks during an open house a few years back but were rejected. When then-mayor Janet Lockhart visualized negotiations with Al Davis and imagined stereotypical Raiders fans in her city, she shook her head and closed the door.”
http://www.mercurynews.com/athletics/ci_19706864?source=rss&cid=dlvr.it
^^^^^^^^
I also said two years ago that the Dublin Camp Parks site would be ideal for a Raiders stadium or an A’s ballpark. The location is perfect, since it is right in the middle of major east bay counties, Alameda, Contra Costa and San Joaquin Counties with easy BART and walking distance to Camp Parks site right in between major freeways, 680 and 580.
This guy stole my thunder from what I said 2 years ago.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Even if McKenzie is contemplating anything regarding Hue I think it is pure scare tactic and also just to Reel Hue in. He was all over the place when Al Passed. Hue just needs to focus on his job as the HC and play-caller and everything will be fine. Oh and get to more of those weekly meetings with Palmer.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
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I would have no problem if Reggie canned Hue.
I think Hue has what it takes to be a successful HC, BUT this is the McKenzie show now. Know your roll Hue, shut your mouth and just do YOUR job within Reggies’ system!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Wow. All of a sudden Raider fans are believing the “professional liar” Mortensen ahead of a local CSN reporter who said three of his sources close to Raiders headquarters, told him Hue is staying anyone reporting that McKenzie will not keep is just being “ridiculous”.
Interesting, how things change around here and who people want to believe these days.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
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I vote keep Hue as head coach BTW and hire a LEGIT DC.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Alabama showed tonight what good coaching can do for a defense. I’m not sure there are any “great” players on that unit. But as a unit they play great. Look at recent history. How many elite defenses Saban has put together and how many of those players have gone on to star in the NFL?
Saban’s system even made McClain a top 10 draft pick.
But this just reaffirms my belief that we don’t have to blow up the defensive roster. Some changes need to be made, but a top-notch defensive coordinator can do a complete 180-degree turn with this defense by next season.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
I believe one person about what McK will do,… That person is Reggie McKenzie!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
If Reggie keeps Hue, he HAS TO LET Hue gets his own DC. Or else, we’ll have the Hue Jack/Tom Cable thing all over again.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
IDK Chris,
I sure wouldn’t mind Upshaw, Hightower or Kirkpatrick on our defense next year. Should all be 1st rounders so wishful thinking.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
007-you nailed it with the who people want to believe part.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
216.aig-raiders Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
If Reggie keeps Hue, he HAS TO LET Hue gets his own DC. Or else, we’ll have the Hue Jack/Tom Cable thing all over again.
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If that happens Hue certainly can’t get mad. He just needs to coach his azz off and don’t bring any broads on the road.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Alabama showed tonight what good coaching can do for a defense. I’m not sure there are any “great” players on that unit. But as a unit they play great. Look at recent history. How many elite defenses Saban has put together and how many of those players have gone on to star in the NFL?
Saban’s system even made McClain a top 10 draft pick.
But this just reaffirms my belief that we don’t have to blow up the defensive roster. Some changes need to be made, but a top-notch defensive coordinator can do a complete 180-degree turn with this defense by next season.
Agreed! Remember that Dallas Defense in the 90’s that was number one in the league but had no pro bowlers? Or recently…what Wade Phillips did to Houstons unit! Replace some pieces here and there, and hire a GREAT DC and here we go!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Whatever McKenzie decided…I will support…no doubt. I
I wouldn’t have a problem with Winston Moss replacing Hue, however they better keep Saunders as the OC and play caller or else the offense will regress and that is not a good thing.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Somebody actually watched that BS Title game?
The BCS ruins college football.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
BCS has ruined College Football since its inception!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I just hope we get a DC asap. After the Chargers game I vowed not to shave until we get a new DC. My face is itchin like a muhhfugga.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
167.lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Djohnny-I guarantee your local high school’s DC is better than the one the Raiders employed this year.
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He couldn’t do any worse.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
# 504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I just hope we get a DC asap. After the Chargers game I vowed not to shave until we get a new DC. My face is itchin like a muhhfugga.
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I feel ya on that.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Something I think needs to be said about this McKenzie hiring.
You have to give Green Bay mad props for being a classy organization and letting him walk right before the playoffs and their second superbowl run. That takes a lot of class and not every team would do that. Specially going into the playoffs. That shows a lot of respect towards McKenzie from GB, letting him go like that and follow his career path to a higher level. As a Raider fan, I thank GB for that move, because they could’ve very easily said no, just wait until after the playoffs.
Now, someone mentioned McKenzie cutting DMac. I brought up this point a few days back, that the new GM might consider doing this in order to get draft picks, and free up cap space for free agency. Then resigning Bush, making him the lead back, and using Taiwan as the back up while either drafting another RB or signing on in FA.
Here’s where it gets interesting, don’t you think McKenzie would make a deal with GB for DMac where we get their 1st, which would be a late first, and either their 2nd, or 3rd?
I could see that happening. Considering that DMac would be a good fit for GB because of his catching ability and that he wouldn’t be used as much as a RB. And he would complete that team, possibly making it that best team in the NFL. Not something you want to see as a fan from another team, or even as a Raider fan alone, since I would like to keep DMac, and see if he can stay healthy and see what he can do with a full season of play, but just bringing up the possibility of something like this happening.
Tomorrow should be interesting…
By the way, I would give Hue another year, with less responsibilities and power, and a new DC. But if he is let go, it wouldn’t be the end of the world either. There’s a lot of good coaches out there this off season.
Whatever you do Mr. McKenzie, do it for the best of the team. GO RAIDERS!
January 9th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
When HJ is retained as HC,he and McKenzie should and probably will sit down and come up with someone they agree upon to be DC.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
177.luvmarvhub Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Here’s the problem, one which Hue created in his last two pressers by undermining the confidence even his supporters had in him. (Like me).
When players feel that a coach has been given a very short leash, is hanging by a thread, might not have his contract renewed, they often don’t put out, esp. if they’ve reason not to like the coach.
Previous Raider players knew that Al would side with players over the coach, a failing of Al’s.
This business of whether or not Hue will be retained for the final year of his contract has received too much speculation in the press already. If he is retained by Reggie, the players know it’s only for one year. That’s not good. In order to have power over your players, you need more than that …or else we’re right back to Raider players feeling they don’t need to pay attention to their head coach.
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…or they could man up and show some loyalty and effort to the same guy who took the heat for their pos selves for the entire season.
How about SD? They all thought Norv was gone after the game and yet they played their azzes off for him.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
201
“do you think that a coach who didn’t go and get Carson Palmer would have wound up even at .500? with a good chance the last game of the season to make the playoffs?”
If you you make the Carson Palmer trade you HAVE TO MAKE THE PLAYOFFS.
“other recent coaches…all of them would have fallen short of .500.”
If you don’t make the playoffs I see no difference in 6-10 or 8-8.
“All in all, I want Reggie to keep him, support him, and hope that Hue continues to progress as a head coach.”
I would be cool with this if Reggie decides Hue and his coaching staff is the best coaching staff that currently can be put together.
Like everyone else, I JUST want to WIN, BABY.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Remember coming back from the Vegas after the last college games decided who is in the BS games in early December.
Me and friend were on our way back watching highlights at the bar at Vegas airport. I told the bartender I’m not watching that BS game with Bama and LSU and he said “yeah right, what are u going to watch..dancing with the stars”?
I said, yeah I would, at least I get to see hot chicks dancing and practically wearing nothing! haha
I didn’t watch that crap game tonight, no dancing with the stars….just the history channel! LOL
January 9th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
This is going to be an interesting game for the Packers this weekend. They lost McKenzie, a minor distraction if any. And the OC lost his 21 yr old son who drowned in a lake yesterday (big distraction). It will be a tough week for GB front office and coaches and players.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I really hope we go with a proven guy at DC. A Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio or even (because I think a lot of it is toughness and motivation related) Mike Singletary. Would rather get someone with a solid track record who has been there, done that than a position coach who will be feeling his way along and would be a wildcard.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:58 pm
504 Raider Says: #219 “If that happens Hue certainly can’t get mad. He just needs to coach his azz off and don’t bring any broads on the road.”
“Bring broads on the road??” That was stank AL’s dank to Cable. And thank God AL is dead: miracles do happen.
Remember the last KC game. KC was missing key personnel both offensively and defensively. Orton was the QB, both unqualified and incompetent. The game was a charade; our O and D looked like high school players. All facets of our game were under-executed. It was so bad that our O was marching backward, mostly, due to penalties. Idiot CP was flailing around because he both non-elusive and can’t scramble away from trouble.
Next week we performed similiarly against SD. Play calling was atrocious as well as our O and D. At the best it was a total breakdown of everything we know of professional football. Raiders were the laughing stock – again.
Then Hue gets on the podium and dumps on the team and admits he lied to all of us knowing that upon our loss to Buffalo we were not playoff bound.
Hue is a bully: bullies are liars and pretenders and run like the yellow dogs they are, from trouble they created and cannot put to bed.
Let’s hope to the devil, (AL is in football hell now, having the flesh roasted off his stanky carcass) that McKenzie fires Hue. If not, it is a bad sign, and we’ll be next year, right where we are now.
January 9th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
# Chris in NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
I really hope we go with a proven guy at DC. A Mike Nolan or Jack Del Rio or even (because I think a lot of it is toughness and motivation related) Mike Singletary. Would rather get someone with a solid track record who has been there, done that than a position coach who will be feeling his way along and would be a wildcard.
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I think Dean Pees would be a great choice if they go with a 3-4. Spags and Del Rio if they stick to 4-3.
Nolan would be good also if they go to 3-4.
I can see Hue wanting to try and talk to Jets secondary coach Dennis Thurman again also, since he was denied by the slob Rex Ryan last year.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
At least we know the Louisiana faithful is staying true to the home team. After the Saints game on Sat night it sounded like New Year’s Eve 11:59 pm outside. Tonight you can hear the pigeons take a piss outside. And they were popping them off and on since about noon til gametime today.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
The other possibility might be GB DLine coach Trgovac as a DC candidate also
January 9th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Nobody has mentioned this. So here it goes:
Hue is a salesman. He sold the Palmer trade to Raiders fan real good. What was the result?
Raiders sold out 8 home games more than ever since 1995. That means millions of dollars to the bottom line versus the usual two sell out games per season. Of course the team let him down and now fans hate his guts for lying to them. BUT Mark Davis is eternally grateful to Hue for that fact. SO Mark has pretty much told Reggie yes you do have the power to fire HC but we want you to keep Hue for another year for the above stated fact. Also Mark has not forgotten Hue’s realistic looking tears after Al passed away and his unlikely win over Texans.
So Hue will be there in 2012 the HC of Raiders GURRANTEED!
January 9th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
UCLA Raiders Says: #238
Interest theory, and you are probably correct !
January 9th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Interesting ***
January 9th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Some people seem to forget we sucked bad the last few years. We talk as if our team is coming off a super bowl winning season. 8-8 is nothing to brag about but considering all the things that went on we came out better then we should have.
It makes no since that we blame hue for the defense’s woes. Remember chuck was Al’s hire not hues. Hue is an offensive minded coach, so he might not be able to run a defense and if he did it would take from his offensive game plan, then people will complain about that.
This blog just runs in circles all. Fire hue, keep hue. Palmer sucks no he’s good. Cut dmac, no keep him. Dhb is coming on, no he’s not cuz he jumps catches balls when he doesn’t have and catches balls with his body . Who cares as long as he catches it. I was watching the lions game and j saw megatron jump to catch a ball. And he didn’t need to.
Ps. Donkeys suck
January 9th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
# lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
When HJ is retained as HC,he and McKenzie should and probably will sit down and come up with someone they agree upon to be DC.
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There sure will and they will of course be on the same page.
I find it hard to believe that McKenzie and Hue have not talked yet. I’m sure they talked over the weekend.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
234-do you watch games or just listen to others and repeat the parts you wish to be true?We won the KC game,and the offense preformed pretty good against SD.HJ said at his last press conference he took the blame all year for the inadequacies of the team because as a HC he wanted to deflect the blame from the other coaches(Bresnahan) and some of the players.Sounds like a good leader to me.If he had sat there all year actually telling everyone the truth about things,he would have been crucified for blaming everyone else and not accepting any blame.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Lefty12 #243:
I have watched nearly every Raiders game televised for the past 45 yrs my friend.
Any team could have beat KC, and Philip Rivers torched us, which I predicted 3 weeks in advance.
Finally, I believe nothing that comes out of HJ’s mouth since he’ll say anything to deflect the truth of is incompetency, lack of intelligence and football moxy. Any thought that we were a playoff team this season was utter nonsense, supported by HJ’s deception.
I sincerely hope you didn’t buy into that theory.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
If anybody could have beaten KC,why didn’t SD and Denver?
January 9th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Nobody’s giving much hype to Palmer anymore. He is in real danger of becoming a guy people will say never reached his potential. He’s always had alot of praise heaped on him from Pop Warner right until he quit the Bengals last year.
Now at 32, this is it for him. I’m hoping that this guy decides that NOW is the time to make his mark. This is when he has the chance to make his legacy.
Now..he’s the underdog. No more glory or praise. He’s not the darling anymore. The “experts” think he’s done.
I wanna see him dig deep and decide that he’s gonna prove ‘em wrong, for probably the first time in his life, nobodys throwing flowers of appreciation at him. Nobody even ranks him among the leagues ’sub’ elite. He is in danger of being forgotten. A footnote.
I want him to have the fire and get ticked off for people doubting he’s any good; that he can’t win a playoff game no less win a SB.
What’s he got inside him? He’s being challenged to do something with his career. NOW! What is he made of?
We’ll find out.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
On December 31 anyone could have beat KC, including the hapless Raiders – due to Hue. Not sure about Denver and SD
January 9th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
Going into the season,I didn’t think we were a play-off team.However,if our Defense had preformed to the same level it did the previous year,before Al Davis fired the DC(Marshall),we not only would have been a play-off team,we would have won the division.Also,when you constantly predict negative garbage,you are bound to be correct once in a while.As the saying goes,even a blind squirrel finds a nut once in a while.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
da trinity Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Some people seem to forget we sucked bad the last few years. We talk as if our team is coming off a super bowl winning season. 8-8 is nothing to brag about but considering all the things that went on we came out better then we should have.
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I disagree. We came into this season with more momentum than we have had here in 9 years. The team was basically returned intact, and when injuries to the QB position happened we upgraded. The division was a complete disaster for the lst time in awhile, coming in we had the ability to be the team to beat after going undefeated in the division the year before. Everything went backwards. Now, we most likely will be coming into next year ranked 4th in a four horse race to start. Honestly, that ain’t very good.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:28 pm
227,
I can’t imagine a backfield of Bush and Jones, neither of whom can block. (Actually, I have a feeling that Bush simply has never wanted to learn how to block).
DMac can run, catch, and is a heck of a blocker. He’ll be fine. We need to be looking for a Darren Sproles sort maybe from something other than a Division I school. I don’t mean to suggest that a Sproles grows on trees, but a good scouting staff finds them, and a good coaching staff grooms them.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Seymour,before the season almost everyone(and I’m not talking about those on here) involved in the game said we might have a better team but due to the schedule,our record could be worse.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Okay folks here is a little ditty I wrote about AL. Let’s put aside our differences now: Hue should be fired – or not, etc. etc.
The real reason the club has been horrific for the past 28 years (except for the Gruden anomaly) is because AL was worthless and lost his football moxy once he figured out it was easier making money with lawsuits than winning football games.
I know most of you are too young to know or have witnessed the Raider’s era of greatness, but it is a terrible thing to see the depths to which they have fallen.
We need to keep our eyes on the prize and wash away the stink and taint of AL – a once great man, fallen from grace.
It needs to be done, the purging I mean, fully and completely. The team needs to be blown up starting with Hue, the coward, bully and liar.
”Ode to Alzheimers AL” (please sing this to the melody of the Beverly Hillbillies’ theme song):
Come ‘n listen to my story ’bout Alzheimers AL
A shadow of himself, at the moon he would howl,
And then one day, dreamin of days gone by
Purple Drank appeared causing AL to sigh,
JaDumbarse, that is, black gold, BamaBoy…
Well, the first thing you know, AL’s 2 and 14
Nother seasons gone by, AL still has a dream,
Told ole Lance Californy is a place you ought’nt be
So Lance loaded up the truck and moved to Tennessee
Hollywood..vertical attack, man-on-man, 1969…..
So AL’s still thinkin its 1969,
With a vertical attack everything’ll be fine
And Big AL know, all he’s gotta do, grab a Plunkett incarnate name of Campbell boo…
After 6 long quarters Campbells a slug,
ALs frothin at the mouth while Cable pulls the plug,
Overhead projectors burnin a hole, better turn AL out fore he has em all on the dole.
Well, now it’s time to say goodbye to AL and all his kin,
AL would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin’ in
Insanity and alzheimers, superbowls and gin.
You’re all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of AL’s hospitality
Dementia, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off
Y’all come back now, hear?
January 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
Gotta keep the train moving were right ther don’t need to change at HC need a new DC and some stability at the top GMs gonna help a lot
January 9th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
A quick note on Palmer. The guys got a lot of ego to demand a trade or sit out. By doing that, he’s saying “Hey. I’m a stud QB and this team does not deserve me”. I want better. I deserve better.”
I want him to start playing like the stud he fashions himself as being. No more bs dude. Show us what you got.
Might be his last chance.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I’m sorry but Tom Cable and his hip-hip-hoorays and his suckerpunches are long gone. He’s off to Seattle now where he no doubt spends his days lobbying to replace Marshawn Lynch with Justin Fargas and daydreaming about the glory days when he used to snap towels with Mark Schlereth in the Idaho University locker room.
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Last year, Cables team played hard at the end of the year. This year, Cables offense played hard at the end of the year. Jackson’s did not.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
will be his last chance; he’ll never be better than he was this season.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Palmer that is….
January 9th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
January 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
23. Djohnnyg
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
A quick note on Palmer. The guys got a lot of ego to demand a trade or sit out. By doing that, he’s saying “Hey. I’m a stud QB and this team does not deserve me”. I want better. I deserve better.”
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I have tried to explain to you guys the Cinncinatti Bunghole operation. Here is a clip of Mike Brown the Owner/GM of the Bungholes talking to Art Rooney as the Steelers are leaving for last years SuperBowl. Not only is it hilarious, it is factual.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a2kGUlIaKdw
January 9th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
How did Seymour make the probowl?
January 9th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Seymour,the 1st part of that where they are discussing the fanbase could very well have been Davis.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
I don’t think Dmac gets traded to the Packers, because McKenzie helped scout and acquire Brandon Saine for them….who is a highly-regarded pass-catching HB. I know Saine isn’t Dmac, but Saine is a gem, a sleeper for them.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if McKenzie did a number of ‘woah’ trades to acquire draft picks.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
The people who want Hue fired and keep talking crap about Palmer, are you the same peeps who wanted Cable back last year and were hating on JC also??
January 9th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
# GG Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
I don’t think Dmac gets traded to the Packers, because McKenzie helped scout and acquire Brandon Saine for them….who is a highly-regarded pass-catching HB. I know Saine isn’t Dmac, but Saine is a gem, a sleeper for them.
But I wouldn’t be surprised if McKenzie did a number of ‘woah’ trades to acquire draft picks.
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I agree. I could actually see McKenzie dangling Ford out there for a 2nd round pick.
January 9th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
GG,I don’t see a bunch of trades because we have nothing to offer.What we might see is a bunch of undrafted FA brought in and some make the team.I believe that is one of McKenzies strengths-finding and identifying obscure talent.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
The people who want Hue fired and keep talking crap about Palmer, are you the same peeps who wanted Cable back last year and were hating on JC also??
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Not necessarily.I wanted Cable back and don’t want HJ fired this year.I’m tired of getting a new coach every year.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
GG,I don’t see a bunch of trades because we have nothing to offer.What we might see is a bunch of undrafted FA brought in and some make the team.I believe that is one of McKenzies strengths-finding and identifying obscure talent.
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Just like Ron Wolf. You must be happy as hell.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:10 pm
KK,aren’t you?
January 9th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
I’m reserving my judgment on Reggie until after I hear what he has to say and see what he does on & off the field. I know that in the media he is highly regarded and potentially eminently qualified to be a GM. These are all good things but I’m not ready to give him the keys to the City just yet.
Since his announced signing as the new GM, virtually everybody is giving him Carte Blanche support before even hearing what he has to say. The masses are probably correct but I guess I feel a little better with a little bit more supporting information which should be provided tomorrow at the presser.
Right now Hue Jackson is a known commodity – good, bad or indifferent. all I really know about Reggie is what he looks like; that he played for the Raiders in the 80’s as a LB; that he’s highly regarded as an evaluator of football talent; that he’s been involved management wise with a quality franchise (i.e. the GB Packers).
I know what Hue’s stated vision for the Raiders but I’m waiting to hear from Reggie and what he sees going forward for this franchise.
Is getting a new highly competent GM on board a good deal? You bet you A$s it is. Things should get much better around here but I’m wondering if we have to take three steps back before we start going forward. Summing it up, I’m wondering if Reggie is a rebuilding type guy or a reloading type guy. In other words, can we expect almost instantaneous results (like next season) before the cheering or are we looking at another 3 years before we are truly relevant once again. Hopefully Reggie will be saying all the right things.
My guess is that Hue will be the HC next year and will have control over who his assistants are. That in itself is BIG. But, Hue will be expected to produce on both sides of the ball or he will be out of here. I have no reason to believe that Hue can’t work well with Reggie. If he can get along with AD, well, that says a whole lot about Hue’s ability to get along with people. Reggie may be suggesting Moss as a possible DC consideration for Hue. After all, isn’t that what Reggie is supposed to do – find top quality talent for the team?
Tomorrow’s going to be a BIG day for the Raiders. It will be a new start of what I hope will be a long run of NFL dominance – just like in the old school days. I was there & remember them well. Fan since 1965 and still current season ticket holder.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
I also said two years ago that the Dublin Camp Parks site would be ideal
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I think you missed my point. A lot of people here blame politicians for the fact that the Raiders can’t get a stadium. At least with that article, Monte Poole considers the possibility that the behavior of Raider fans is turning some cities off.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
It’s funny how much gushing there is over Ron Wolf now. I remember I used to bring him up in here and just get a hundred shrill responses about how Wolf was nothing but Davis’s gofer. Now he’s the genius who appointed the GM that will save the Raiders.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
I am very concerned about the 49ers moving forward with Santa Clara and selling seats, and no mention of the Raiders. I thought the NFL wanted the 2 teams to share? Any ideas? Is the team doomed to go back to LA? Sharing a stadium sounds a heck of a lot better to me.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
“At least with that article, Monte Poole considers the possibility that the behavior of Raider fans is turning some cities off.”
If true, it’s a legitimate concern. The gang banging connection and the youthful, mostly male and often liquored, weeded up crowds stand in direct contrast to demographic that used to fill the stadium when they were first in Oakland.
Why would Dublin, Pleasanton, or elsewhere want that crowd?
Yes, yes, I know, most fans are decently behaved, even if juvenile (the Darth Raider stuff), but there are enough idiots that the O.Co. crowd is not really like football crowds in other NFL cities. I for one, don’t like going to the games anymore.
Face it–we were once feared as a football team, but were known for having well-behaved, working and middle class fans.
Now, it’s not our team that is feared; it’s our fans.
Not good for revenue or a new stadium deal, for sure.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:26 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
23. Djohnnyg
24. Beach
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I say keep Hue. But if the new GM can swing a trade with st luis for a couple of 2nd round picks maybe a first too, fck it. Go for it.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
“I thought the NFL wanted the 2 teams to share? Any ideas? Is the team doomed to go back to LA? Sharing a stadium sounds a heck of a lot better to me.”
I could be wrong here, but as I understood the articles I read earlier in the year, it was Al who was adamant that the Raiders not share a stadium.
From an economic point of view, it’s what should happen.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Fck it. If the new GM can get a 7th round pick for Chucky B too, dump his ass too. Why fire these guys when they got some recycle value.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
has hue been fired yet? cmon reggie get him outta here…
January 9th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
St. Lo would love to have bona fide coaching staff like hue and ground chuck. Get some damn Picks for them. Throw romac in the deal.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
Hope the new GM studied our last 5 games if the season just so he gets a heads up on the fcking situation we got goin over here.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Everybody is hyped about our GM but I need to see him make some moves before I jump on his bandagon. Last I checked he is a rookie GM who was passed over a few times in the last couple years. So he has something to prove IMO. Hopefully we will find out soon by what choice he makes for DC that would be a great start. Hue Haters stand down he aint going no where and neither is palmer. Like I sd before give this team a full off season and a elite DC and we won’t have to worry about all this next season.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:52 pm
Yeah, we can only speculate what players McKenzie “might” dangle for picks. And there’ll be people who think McKenzie won’t seriously trade any current players. Stating the obvious, we really don’t know what he’s liable to do, or which direction he prefers to take — holding roster as is, and topping it up on the cheap with gem undrafted and FA acquisitions, and/or, blowing it up and dangling players for picks.
What players would YOU guys/girls be willing to trade? Especially as the whole idea for this would be to acquire picks to rebuild the D.
Tho I’m a DHB fan from the start, and would like to see him become a monster to spite all those critics who mocked the pick, if we could acquire Vincent or DeSean, then I could see value in trading DHB. Ford I wouldn’t because he’s a helluva return guy. If healthy all year, he could be Hester-like for us, break some records, need those kinds of play-makers or game-changers on Special Teams too.
The WR depth chart i’d essentially keep would be: Moore, Ford, Murphy, DHB. But DHB i could make expendable if replaced with a Vincent Jackson/etc. Schilens, TJ can go.
I’m a huge McFadden fan too, but I wouldn’t be against the concept of having Bush-Jones as RBs and getting a 1st for Dmac (too often injured is the motivation there).
I think Palmer is the best QB we’ve had since Gannon, but I’d trade him to the Seahawks/Redskins/whomever, for a 1st/2nd. And go the Pryor Option and/or Double Wing offense. Or the Spread Leach offense, Bush/Reece therefore handy as a big back with a spread field.
Can also be okay with letting DHB, Schilens, TJ go because Ausberry is actually a very good receiver, would make a good possession receiver.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Hire a new defensive coordinator and switch to the 3-4 defense.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
276. Hopefully, some of the local media will ask the question about a new stadium toward the end of the meeting tomorrow. Economically, it makes sense. We can’t let the 49ers have an elite stadium and stay in the oldest stadium around.
January 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
282. I’m OK with everything you said except the Palmer comment. Carson Palmer, I believe, will be here the rest of his career and win us a Super Bowl.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am
If Hue stays, he’ll be on a short leash.
I like his offense, but his ability to lead a team is in question. Also, while the ballsiness is a good trait, it needs to be tempered with some get-smart.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:05 am
No spread with pryor he can pass better than Cam and Cam is not running a spread all we need to do is let him learn behind palmer
January 10th, 2012 at 12:11 am
If I were a betting man, I would say switching to the 3-4 is on the cards. Personnel-wise we’re closer to that than the 4-3. In fact, our LB corp for a 4-3 is completely unsuitable and a major liability.
Yes, there are coaches who will say this whole 3-4, 4-3 thing as a base defense is a fallacy, but it’s not entirely. Example, goalline and 3rd and short, you see multiple down-lineman packages on the field. With the plethora of 3-5 WR sets, you see a lot of dime packages. You have a lot of concepts like zone blitzes where down-lineman drop back into coverage and LBs/DBs on the LOS blitzing, you have the ‘psycho’ type concepts where lineman stand up and constantly roam around the LOS pre-snap, never settling on an assigned gap, etc.
But essentially there still is a ‘base’ defense predicated on 1) natural pressure from either 3 or 4 down-lineman, and 2) the types of lineman one has rostered serve a specific scheme be it 4-3 or 3-4 or Tampa 2 — for instance, a true 0-tech Tackle = 3-4, a bunch of 3-tech Ends = 3-4, a bunch of 5-tech Ends = 4-3, and there is also the fact whether your DTs are smaller and more agile (4-3/Tampa) or if they’re huge and strength-based (3-4).
Also, some DCs do like to have multiple formations like 3-4, 4-3, and variations of Nickle/Dime packages where they have 2 or 3 down-lineman, and even variations of Nickle/Dime formations where OLBs take up the DE spots in 3-point stances while there are two DTs on the field, so could be seen as a 4-man front when really a 2-man front.
But generally, most DCs will still have a preferred base formation, because they come from that coaching tree, so while they might have some Dime/Nickle variations and a Goalline/3rd-and-short package, they still predominantly play with either a 3 man front or a 4 man front.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Beach,285,with ya all the way,Raiders!!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 12:18 am
#285….
Yeah, it’s cool. I appreciate everyone has different visions and opinions. It was really a question that post, asking everyone who they would trade. In your book, “just not Palmer”, so that’s cool.
#287….
I like the Air Coryell system, but I also like a lot of ingenuity in the College programs. Particularly, Option and Double Wing with 0 splits (which has yet to be seen in the NFL). I think the Option can work in the pros, as Tebow/Cam have shown it can work, despite Rob/Rex/etc mouthing off about them. It’s not gimmicky like the Wild Cat at all. It’s a very solid tactical concept that is hard to deal with especially if your QB is a good passer and can sustain RB-work. Hell, my not re-define the QB position itself and have like 5 QBs on a depth chart looking at it like the RB or WR position?!
As for the Double-Wing, i think that’s a beast. The spread offense is the way of the now especially given the soft rules helping receivers and passing.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:19 am
How long will Tebow last in the league playing that style of ball I give him maybe 2 years before he is hurt or defenses figure out the spread hell alabama def does it and well
January 10th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Leave all that college stuff where it belongs in college. This is the NFL and there is a reason you have never seen those gimmick offenses in the pro’s.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:34 am
269,JB,Well said and thought out,I just hope Reggie brings in a tough DC,I want the 85 Bears DDDDD Here,that should be a GOAL,and with this OO,Watch out!Cant wait for the presser,will be fun!Oh,RAIDERS!!!!ps,Got ya by 3 years,whenever Cotton Davidson was the QB,along with Tom Flores
January 10th, 2012 at 12:37 am
That is a valid concern. Why I proposed ‘why not’ re-define the QB depth chart itself. Instead of a pro-style offense with a designated ’starter’ and ‘back-up’, you could have a depth chart of 5 or 6 Option-taught QBs, that you rotate in and out for health and tactical reasons. Like one has a WR depth chart of 5 or 6.
That’s me being left-field, because deep down I love all that X&O ingenuity. If I was a HC/GM I would do that. But in today’s NFL with soft rules that help passing/receiving, the Spread is the way to go. And spreading the field like that helps the running game too, just need a big back like Bush/Reece for ‘easy’ yards.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:39 am
#291…
Wild Cat is gimmicky. Cannot be sustained as a base system. But the Option and Double Wing are not gimmicks. The Spread isn’t a gimmick and it’s finally taken off in the NFL. Imo you WILL see NFL teams adopting more college ingenuity after the success of Tebow/Cam, seeing teams wanting to become more unique and thus harder to gameplan against. Because right now everything’s too common and known, every team is pretty much a hybrid of WCO and Air Coryell systems.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:48 am
Tebow has reminded coaches that if you don’t have a Brady, Manning, Brees, or Rogers then you do what you have to do to win each game.
Next to Vick, Tebow is the best running QB in the NFL.
The fact that Tebow is bigger and stronger and actually lays out DBs a time or two will preserve his career.
Low turnovers proves to be much more important than passing touchdown stats; even our Jason Campbell proved that.
Passing TDs improves the QB’s paycheck; low turnovers improves the teams victories.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:51 am
GG,295,Yes,I agree,wasnt it Morgan Freeman who said variety was the Spice of Life? Cant recall the movie,oh ya,Robin Hood,Whatever,time to crash,a few to many,must say
January 10th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Darren Mcfadden not playing in the franchise’s most important game in 9 years (SD at OAK) is a symptom of the disease of this team. This was the year that Al davis the face of the franchise died and there was hope that the team could honor him by making the the playoffs. INSTEAD dmac is on the sideline in a sweater laughing it up with his teamates.
Then, as if the nerves of Raiders fans around the world were not jarred enough by the effort given vs SD, we get an announcement, a week later, that HOORAY Mcfadden is ready to go to face… NOBODY!
What the heck is going on here. Do these guys not get MILLIONS & MILLIONS to play a game!? I don’t spend my hard-earned cash and hard earned TIME, to watch you in sweaters laughing it up. HUE sometimes you just gotta shut up.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:08 am
What DMAC did and what the Defense did are the same. The Defense could have refrained from partying the night before the SD game, but did not feel the need to make a SACRIFICE. Heads need to roll, I am tired of these punks DEMANDING millions and millions and refusing to pay. Please understand Mr. McKenzie
January 10th, 2012 at 1:09 am
refusing to *play*
January 10th, 2012 at 1:35 am
Jackson made a lot of mistakes this year. Maybe rookie HC mistakes…maybe not.
If you fire Jackson you get to rebuild again.
You keep firing coaches, you get turmoil.
Kiffin/Cable/Jackson–all rookie coaches.
People talk about bringing in Moss as HC–another rookie HC.
If Jackson is going, I think I’d really like to see what an established HC who’s done it before can do.
Someone who brings stablity the minute they walk in the building.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:36 am
We also keep hiring offensive minded head coaches How about a defensive minded one for a change.
Madden was defense.
January 10th, 2012 at 1:37 am
#298, well said
January 10th, 2012 at 1:38 am
oh and #299 too
January 10th, 2012 at 1:42 am
#301, yeah i would like a vet HC, someone whose been around the NFL traps long enough at THAT head coaching level, has seen it all and how to remedy/deal with those things…be it lax attitudes, epidemic penalties, fractured lockerrooms, how to get teams up traveling cross country and/or backing up with two games in 4 days, how to prepare football teams, etc etc.
Ultimately, Mr McKenzie is the man and we should give him a ton of rope (several years) before we should begin to question his decisions.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:09 am
My prediction:
After the news conference tomorrow, we won’t know much more than we do today.
January 10th, 2012 at 2:21 am
#306…
I’m betting we’ll know that the greatness of the raiders lies in its future, that we are committed to excellence, a team of the decades, that we have one of the most talented rosters in the NFL, and that the Raiders of the past played tough and hard and that we’re gonna be like that again.
If we do get told that kind of stuff, I guess we could conclude that someone writes stock-standard opening addresses for all new Raider coaches, executives and players.
There’s a chance Reggie will pay respects to Al’s Raiders, the legacy/blueprint/history, saying he’ll continue to honor all that, but also try to show how he’s gonna correct the ship.
January 10th, 2012 at 4:31 am
I’m ready to turn things around post haste! I can’t even watch news on the NFL channel or anywhere for that matter! All talking about how the Raiders are all kinds of phukk3r3d up – makes my skin crawl.
Now we have another off season of this cr@p!
January 10th, 2012 at 4:49 am
Eastoak… I agree… That option based offense is still a gimmick … Donkey boy had a good ( very ) game Sunday aginst a limping Steelers team… But those fans all giddy and infatuated with Timmy forget that he just came off three horrible games…plus the only reason The Donks even had the opportunity was an inept Raider Defense ..
January 10th, 2012 at 4:57 am
I expect Reggie McKenzie will get our team headed in the Right direction…. McKenzie will put the slackers On notice…… Don’t wanna play and put out effort.?… Then there’s the door..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:16 am
The Tebow offense is not a gimmick, it is a run-heavy, play-action, down the field throwing offense. Instead of under center, it is done out of the shotgun.
And if Dick Lebeau has troubles with it, if they are going to run a few options PLAYS RIGHT AT AN UNBLOCKED JAMES HARRISON, I don’t think it is going to disappear overnight.
Cam Newton has started more games than Tebow, so you got to still think he is going to improve a little bit.
As I said, BEFORE Tebow even started playing, I am way more worried about playing Tebow the next 4-5 years, than any other QB in our division.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:21 am
Just fire… How many NFl teams used the option on a regular basis… It’s a gimmick….
January 10th, 2012 at 5:26 am
The donks won 1 game outta the last 4 they’ve played… I wouldn’t go overboard with worry about playing Tebow anymore than anyother NFl team .. …sure the last one was a playoff but because the Afc west is inept… The argument is valid that any one of the Afc west teams might just as well. Have beaten the steelers on that particular Sunday
January 10th, 2012 at 5:28 am
The Bronco’s run the “option” around 10% of the time. Just about as much as Hue ran reverses and FB dives.
Lots of play-action off of a fake handoff, it just looks different than your standard play-action. And a lot of those handoffs were Tebow fakes taking off, are designed runs.
He only has a “zone-read” a handful of times a game.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:29 am
Miami made the Wildcat work for a season.
After that? Their tricks were all on film and other teams wised up. Once the rest of the league knew how to play them, Miami couldn’t make the Wildcat viable anymore.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Mike Vick and Cam Newton are doing the same stuff, about the same amount of time per game.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:30 am
I’ve never said the Donks don’t deserve credit for the win Sunday…. I just wouldn’t get to all excited about it just yet …Consistency … I’ll have to see more than 1 win out of 4 games to worry about Tebow and the Donks
January 10th, 2012 at 5:30 am
Of course… Option in itself means you don’t run it every down…it just means its there…
January 10th, 2012 at 5:31 am
Fingers you are wrong.
A gimmick is something that cannot sustain itself as a base offensive formation/philosophy. To suggest the Option isn’t a sustainable base offensive philosophy is, sorry to use a harsh word, ignorant. Or ill-informed.
It’s ludicrous to suggest that only the West Coast, Air Coryell, Run N Gun, and Erhardt-Perkins are legitimate football philosophies, or the only ones that can be legitimized professionally.
Not that long ago the Spread philosophy was considered a gimmick, but is now incorporated into the NFL.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:32 am
I understand Vick and Cam also use it…. Look at their teams records… Still not impressed ..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:32 am
And I hate to say it, but Tebow was the most successful zone-read QB in college history. He is probably the best option QB, ever.
If anyone is going to make it work a few times a game, for a few years, it would probably be him.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Just.. I can agree with that last post…. Tebow is the perfect one to run that kind of offense..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:34 am
315,not so sure with Tebow and the donks,think Vegas is on it!Where is our friggin DC?
January 10th, 2012 at 5:35 am
The problem with the Bronco’s offense, is by nature it is geared to keep you in 3rd and shorts. When you start falling into 3rd and 10’s, it is less equipped to convert those than a high-power passing offense.
That’s where Tebow and the Donks start to unravel, when they fall behind by two scores, and get in 3rd and longs.
But with a lead or close game, and keeping 3rd down distances reasonable, it is difficult. When you are giving a D the same look pre-snap, and running all kinds of variations off it, you get Defensive MVP’s like James Harrison and Troy P over-thinking on the field and not reacting.
You saw this, this past weekend.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:37 am
The guys a load… Perfect guy for that option threat..and if his passing becomes accurate then that offense will last longer as they evolve into a more conventional offense…Elway and Fox are trying to make him into a more conventional NFL Qb… Not into a more option or run threat Qb…
January 10th, 2012 at 5:39 am
I don’t think Tebow will be able to keep this up too long, because I think he will lose that youthful athleticism in 3-4 years.
And they will always have horrible stinkers from time to time.
But I think they will draft around this offense, continue to build off it, and probably rush for 175 yards a game next year.
If Tebow can do anything close to what he did Sunday, they will be tough. Especially with that defense.
Us and the Donks duking it out for the AFC West for years to come. The way it should be in my eyes!!!
Fck the Dolts and Chiefs. Everytime they get in the playoffs, they just embaress the AFC West.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:39 am
…just fire…Yes, I saw it this weekend… They had a very good game…. And you may very well be right…I just haven’t bought into it…..all the teams running that type of offense had sub par records… That’s fact ..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:40 am
258.djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
January 9th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
23. Djohnnyg
24. Ddwight
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 10th, 2012 at 5:40 am
Well Gimmick or not, until teams start stopping it on a consistent basis your going to keep seeing it, and possibly other teams adopting it.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:41 am
Just fire… Remember … I’m not saying your wrong about Tebow…. I’m just saying Im not buying that offense…
January 10th, 2012 at 5:42 am
Raiderbuck… That’s a big part of my point… Teams have been stopping that offense… None of the teams running it had winning records..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Should be a great day today,meet the new GM,and find out WHO they are lookin at,as DC,HUGE,please dont leave Bres in charge.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:44 am
The Wild Cat fell off the map, because it was never a threat to be a triple threat. The RB wasn’t going to throw the ball.
While Tebow throws a helluva split-finger sometimes, he has the ability to throw over the top on you, if that safety comes crashing in.
I think you will see more of this moving forward, than less, around the NFL.
If you don’t have a Brees, Rodgers, Brady or at least a Carson Palmer, a guy who can consistantly make the tough throws in tiny windows, why waste your time with a Rex Grossman or Chad Henne or something?
January 10th, 2012 at 5:45 am
This is still a passing league…. I believe the Saints, Packers, patriots and other high scoring teams would take that kind of Offense away… We saw the Bills take the donks apart..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:46 am
I’m hoping the presser will be televised on bayarea Comcast … Haven’t been able to find it on my guide ..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:47 am
Anyways, enough on that.
McKenzie going to give us ANYTHING today?
I realize he can’t really talk about player personnel too much at all, and I’m sure every FA on this team he will at least say they want to bring them back (no sense burning bridges).
So what do we look for today? I got my read-between-the-lines sensors up and running.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:48 am
MckKenzie can’t get started soon enough for me…
January 10th, 2012 at 5:49 am
This is still a passing league….
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Absolutely. I don’t think defense and running the ball works as much in the postseason in today’s NFL (still works in the regular season, as it helps you beat the teams you should beat; hint hint Hue).
But, again, why waste time with a Kyle Orton, when you could have a creative offense that forces teams to think on the field, and have to worry about gap responsibilites and all that stuff.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:50 am
NFLN might pick it up wouldn’t we think?
WTF else is going on at that time?
January 10th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Speaking of chad Henne…. After watching Moore the few games I saw him play.. The dolphins might want to think about giving him a little of a look… I didn’t think he was all that bad….. Or did the Raiders just make him look good..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:51 am
The Raiders had the worst focus, energy and attention to detail of any team in the AFC West.
Hue can’t get his players ready for a playoff push.
Hue is a lightweight of a coach
Night and day difference between Raiders lame azz effort down the stretch and the effort given by denver, kc, seattle, miami.
Not even f’n close
New coach reggie!
January 10th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Was that BCS game a snooze fest or what?
I will be interested to see where this honey-badger goes in the draft whenever he is eligible.
He is a play-maker, punt returner and all that, but he is small and does not look that great manned up in coverage.
January 10th, 2012 at 5:55 am
I’ll have my Sirus Radio going… Comcast sports Tv… And the Nfl channel… I really wanna hear what McKenzie has to say .. Even if it’s not much…before the media tells us what they wanted him to say ..
January 10th, 2012 at 5:56 am
The national championship was a real ” snoozer “…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:50 am
NFLN might pick it up wouldn’t we think?
WTF else is going on at that time?
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What time is the press conference? NFLN only has 15 hours of coverage devoted to Tim Tebow today. Somebody over there’s going to get canned for that error, unless Tebow absolves them. That said, highly doubtful there’s enough time for the Raiders presser, unless there’s a Tebow angle they can make out of it.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Not sure who would be available (I know Hightower and Kirkpatrick won’t be) but that Reid kid at safety for LSU looks like the physical, rangy safety we could use.
And that goofy, undersized white dude for ‘Bama at NT had an impressive motor and get off from the snap.
Not sure who or what he really is, but we need all-out effort guys like that. Late round pick like that would be great.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:00 am
That Bama defense was pretty impressive… Would have liked to see LSU put up more of a game… But that’s the way it goes..LSU only crossed the 50 once…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:01 am
I remember NFLN picking up the infamous overhead projector presser and the Hue hiring.
We may not get all of it, but I bet they pick it up for a majority of it.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:02 am
I think it is safe to say, McKenzie is going to be putting an end to the days of trading up in the draft to take the Taiwan Jones’ of the world.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Chris… If your in NY it will be 5:00 pm …2 out west
January 10th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Its going to get easier either. KC concerns me with romeo and that defense. Plus they run the ball. Stuff the raiders can’t handle
Denver is all bought in to what John Fox is selling. That situation is just going to get more competitive.
San Diego still has those big receivers a great QB and a very good offensive coaching staff.
The raiders need to get tough real quick. Hue isn’t the guy to make them tough and disciplined
January 10th, 2012 at 6:05 am
mornin nation,
chris. in new york. would you add my name to the keepers list …..thanx….jackson earned another chance
January 10th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Just fire .., yep… And also put a stop to contracts like Routt got…. I’ve got no problem with him being paid fairly … But 40 million… For crying out loud… He’s not a 40 million dollar corner ..
January 10th, 2012 at 6:07 am
SNB… True… I see the Afc west getting a lot better…. We gotta keep up
January 10th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Fellas,the presser will be live on CSNCA,or Online at http://www.csnc.com at 2 oclock
January 10th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Good morning R8…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:09 am
fingers Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:26 am
The donks won 1 game outta the last 4 they’ve played… I wouldn’t go overboard with worry about playing Tebow anymore than anyother NFl team .. …sure the last one was a playoff but because the Afc west is inept… The argument is valid that any one of the Afc west teams might just as well. Have beaten the steelers on that particular Sunday
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Exactly. And let’s be honest, Tebow and the Donks offense were terrible in most of the games they were winning.
I’ll be fair, Tebow was very good in that Steelers game. I wouldn’t say great — he still didn’t complete 50% of his passes which I believe has been the case in almost every game this season — but definitely very good. But that game was the exception. Look at the Chiefs game in the season finale where he was like 6 for 20 for 60 yards and the Broncos only mustered 3 points. Is it safe to say the Chiefs had him figured out that day? How about against the Bills where he turned the ball over five or six times and the Donks were routed? How about the New England game where they got blown out. Or the Bears game that they were extremely lucky to win.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:09 am
349.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:02 am
I think it is safe to say, McKenzie is going to be putting an end to the days of trading up in the draft to take the Taiwan Jones’ of the world.
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…and if he DOES make a move like that, you better believe that kid will be a stud.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Thanks Hendu… I get Csn bayarea sports net ..
January 10th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Routt was cool with me, until the last month of the season.
He played his worst ball, when we needed it most.
Tired of these Raider players, who play their best when we least need it, and their worst when we most need it.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Seems like after the First SD game the defense regressed … Tackling got horrible… Pass defense just wasn’t there….. Gaps undefended ..
January 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
23. Djohnnyg
24. Ddwight
25. R8rwill
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
January 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am
176.504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
170.da trinity Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Alabama d-coordinator on flight to interview for raiders.
Sources say he is a shoe in for defensive coordinator job.
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No way Nick Saban leaves Bama to work for Hue.
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Saban rightfully gets a lot of the credit for their defenses, but he’s not the DC. The DC at Alabama is Kirby Smart.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Chris,
Hue Jackson has coached more games than Tebow has started.
So why do you think Hue is going to improve as a HC, but Tebow isn’t as a QB?
January 10th, 2012 at 6:13 am
And those Defensive coverage break downs happened far to much…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Jackson and McKenzie have the same agent, Kennard McGuire.
Apparently that’s not true anymore? Apparently McKenzie let McGuire go and signed on with Rosenhaus
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Gotta say “I’m sorry” to GG, Cain & Lefty.
I floated this dirty rumor yesterday and it was meant as a joke
January 10th, 2012 at 6:15 am
114.raidertay Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Chris Mort reports that McKenzie will be flying to Oakland.
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As opposed to what; walking?
January 10th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Tebow is going to get better, and as long as he has a defense to keep games close, he is going to win a LOT of NFL games. I was really hoping for a stinker by the Donks, to make the prospect of trading Tebow out of the division a more real scenario. Not going to happen now. Tebow is here for awhile, and he WILL be a thorn in our sides.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:18 am
I floated this dirty rumor yesterday and it was meant as a joke
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These guys need to pay attention, when someone posts a ‘Tweet’ they need to look for @names. I knew that tweet you posted yesterday was bogus because there was no way to link it to a person.
Just a little insight for when you want to get the dogs barking Rockstar…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:18 am
bcz24 Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Tebow is going to get better, and as long as he has a defense to keep games close, he is going to win a LOT of NFL games. I was really hoping for a stinker by the Donks, to make the prospect of trading Tebow out of the division a more real scenario. Not going to happen now. Tebow is here for awhile, and he WILL be a thorn in our sides.
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And he’s protected by God,…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:18 am
The Donks brass are doing everything they can to make Tebow throw outta the pocket a little more…. Sure I believe he’ll improve… How much remains to be seen….
January 10th, 2012 at 6:19 am
Lol at ” protected by God”….
January 10th, 2012 at 6:19 am
fingers Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:12 am
Seems like after the First SD game the defense regressed … Tackling got horrible… Pass defense just wasn’t there….. Gaps undefended ..
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I don’t think you can pinpoint it like that. Defensive effort and performance was uneven all year. From game to game and within each game. We need a DC who is an expert Xs and Os guy, but perhaps even more importantly one who will not tolerate the kind of lapses in effort and discipline that we saw across the board this season (and others). It’s why we give up so many big plays. Two plays they’ll bring it and shut down the offense. On the third someone will get lazy or lose focus and a player will blow right past where they were supposed to be and off for a 50+ yard gain.
Look at the first Bills game. Completely shut them down in the first half (3 points). Didn’t make a single stop in the second half (35 points). Same thing in the loss to the Broncos. Also played the Lions pretty well for 3.5 quarters and then gave up two long TD drives in the end.
Look at how they played against SD the first game and then how they played SD in the second game.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:20 am
McKenzie has a little bit of a honeymoon period here, so I would expect him to make a few moves that might seem a little like a head-scratcher at first.
Especially if he changes our defensive scheme drastically. Lots of guys that have never played in a 3-4 here with us, so as opposed to watching them just waste away as PT players, might as well schlepp them off for some late round draft picks.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:21 am
175.504 Raider Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
162.edward teach Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
157.djohnnyg Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Nick Saban is a psycho.
He looks like he’s ticked off.
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Bama was offside on the LSU punt. Their only penalty of the game. Saban is beside himself. Hue Jackson wanted some ideas on how to stop the penalties? If he’s still employed in two weeks he should give Nick Saban a call.
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You forgot to mention that they had a 21-0 lead with a minute to go.
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And that’s exactly why Nick Saban has won three national championships. He doesn’t tolerate mistakes, no matter when they happen. We could use a little of that around here.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:21 am
ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said today that recently hired general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to retain coach Hue Jackson.
McKenzie will be introduced by the Raiders on Tuesday, less than a week after he reached agreement to become the team’s general manager. It is uncertain whether Jackson will be part of the proceedings Tuesday.
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Look fellas,
I am about 90% sure Hue Jackson will be retained as HC, whether we like him (or think he’s qualified) or not.
As I’ve been saying since Friday – if Reggie wants to see that Hue has confidence, a plan and some promises … Hue Jax will knock this interview out of the park!
If Reggie starts breaking down film or personnel moves (or non-moves) and throws a few “what were you thinkings! ???” at Hue, we could be on to yet another Head Coach.
One thing I’m certain of is that Hue will not demand control or power over anything. He’ll be respectful because he’s a good dude and is greatful for this opportunity
January 10th, 2012 at 6:23 am
Don’t know much about Reggie, but looking at him being a late-round draft pick at LB, who probably stuck around the league for a few years being a no-nonsense, do whatever I can for the team guy, and now starting from the bottom-up in the front office, is telling.
I am sure he has no-use for all of Hue’s bluster. If he keeps Hue, I think we will see a toned-down version of Hue Jackson in front of the camera’s.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:24 am
Chris… I agree with your take…. I think it seems lije the defense got worse because we went from 7 & 4 to 8 & 8…. Chris .. So you are correct… The defense was inconsistent all season.. I stand corrected
January 10th, 2012 at 6:25 am
I’m just glad that Hue Jax is not a LOCK to return. He is going to be evaluated, just like everybody else.
no scholarships!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:26 am
So how long do you think it will take before we start seeing
” Fire McKenzie ” post on this site…weeks?.. Months?…. You can bet were gonna see them… Just a matter of when…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:26 am
Our defense was so streaky, for lack of a better word.
When they played well, seems like they kept playing well. Than once things turned, it just snowballed into 99 yard drives against us, that looked pretty easy for the other team.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Guys,if you dont get Csn,check out the hottest radio station,95.7FM.THE GAME,im sure they will be all over it,finally a station that talks RAIDERS,and niners,but MUCH Raider love
January 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Since we know Herrera & Jackson aren’t going anywhere, can we look at the asst coaches?
Offensive Coaches
Offensive Coordinator – Al Saunders
Running Backs – Kelly Skipper
Wide Receivers – Sanjay Lal
Tight Ends – Adam Henry
Offensive Line – Bob Wylie
Assistant Offensive Line – Steve Wisniewski
Offensive Assistant – Eric Sanders
Defensive Coaches
Defensive Coordinator – Vacant
Defensive Line – Mike Waufle
Linebackers – Vacant
Assistant Linebackers – Ricky Hunley
Secondary – Vacant
Defensive Assistant – Mike Clark
Special Teams Coaches
Special Teams Coordinator – John Fassel
Special Teams Assistant – Bob Ligashesky
Strength and Conditioning
Strength and Conditioning – Brad Roll
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris DiSanto
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris Pearson
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Bresnahan, Biekert, Woodson & Ross contracts expire next week. I wonder if anybody elses contract is up?
January 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Raiderock… Yep… I think Hue needs to worry a little about his job security … Seemed like he took his position a little for granted after Al died…
January 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Chris in NY,
Put me down for sending Hue on the road should Reggie see fit! I would be pleased with this outcome should it happen.
They regressed, no sense of urgency, media spotlight, and was the worst team in a beleagured AFC West.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
One thing that pissed me off about Hue, was at the end of the first halves (all-year) we would hold the team to a 3 yard gain on 1st down, and than start using our timeouts like we are the 2000 Ravens and assured of stopping them and getting the ball back.
At least twice this backfired, as the opposing team would convert and end up scoring, with the help of an added timeout.
That is the thing that bugged me about Hue. I realize he is a rookie HC, and SHOULD IMPROVE, but he was still making the same mistakes at the end of the year.
If we had a 3rd and 1 at the end of the game to convert tomorrow, I’m still not sure he wouldn’t heave it down the field.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Promote Sanjay!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:31 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:13 am
Chris,
Hue Jackson has coached more games than Tebow has started.
So why do you think Hue is going to improve as a HC, but Tebow isn’t as a QB?
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Tebow may improve as a QB. We’ll see. If he ever becomes a legitimate passer I’d be worried. I just object to the media hype that he’s this unstoppable force or the assertion that teams are struggling and scrambling to figure him out when in reality the Broncos offense was mostly pitiful the second half of the season.
I think Hue has already done a great job as coach. He came in and we went from a 12 ppg offense in 2009 to a 26 ppg offense in 2010. This year we were slightly above that 26 ppg mark before losing our starting QB and most importantly Darren McFadden and then 2 of our top WRs for most of the rest of the year. We finished around 22 ppg I believe, which was still considerably better than every season since the Super Bowl run.
I know Hue is the head coach and he bears some responsibility for the defense, but let’s be honest, he has far more of a hand and imprint on the offense than the defense. Everyone knows that. Just like Payton in New Orleans or McCarthy in Green Bay. They’re head coaches, but you know they’re calling the plays and much more deeply involved on the offensive side of the ball. On top of that, Hue did not even pick his defensive coordinator. Most head coaches get to pick their assistants. So what is Hue really supposed to take responsibility for with the defense? He didn’t pick the DC, he’s deeply involved with the offense and he’s also the de facto GM in his rookie season as coach. And with all that he gets us to 8-8 despite having a defense that ranks among the 2-4 and 3-13 teams of the league.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:32 am
I’m pretty sure Ricky Hunley & Mike Clark aren’t locks to stay on as defensive assts.
Waufle might have to go as well, if we switch to a 3-4 Defense!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
I just object to the media hype that he’s this unstoppable force
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I only see Skip Bayless saying this.
Yes the media talks about Tebow. A ton. But most everybody I hear is bashing him.
The Herd talked about him all day on his show yesterday, and 90% of it was talking down on him. Jon Ritchie came on and dismissed it. Same with Dilfer. SVP and Rusillo blamed it on Pitt playing like crap and not Tebow.
PFT routinely mocks him and makes fun of him. The NFLN network guys mock him.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Promote Sanjay!!!
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JFB,
to what?
HC or OC?
January 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Clock management… Sheesh….. Horrible….I keep thinking about that fake FG where we ran outta time…. Delay of F@&$ing game….
January 10th, 2012 at 6:37 am
And the reason the media talks so much about Tebow, is because they see the ratings.
Tebow gets off the chart ratings.
This past playoff game, was the highest rated Wildcard playoff game in 24 years. He had the highest rated regular season game, Thursday night game and now playoff game.
These networks can’t ignore that.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:39 am
From La Canfora at NFL Network:
“It’s not uncommon for teams to make a surprise change later in the offseason. We’ve seen Jon Gruden and Bruce Allen out in Tampa late in the game, Mike Shanahan out in Denver, even Fisher out in Tennessee a year ago. Where could we see that kind of late activity this year? Oakland.
As we reported Saturday on GameDay Morning, Hue Jackson has not received positive feedback from the team’s players and coaches in their discussions with Raiders officials. Consultants like former Raiders coach John Madden and former Raider exec Ken Herock have been taking the temperature of people there and gathering info for new GM Reggie McKenzie, who they helped hire. Oakland has gone deep into the offseason contemplating the fate of coaches before — Tom Cable comes to mind — and Jackson is certainly under review, according to team and league sources.
Players and coaches complained that the power went to Jackson’s head following the passing of owner Al Davis. Jackson allegedly became difficult to deal with, threatening the jobs of players and coaches and pointing the finger at others when things turned for the worse. His postseason press conferences were bizarre and not well-received inside the team headquarters. If the Raiders decide to shake things up, sources say former Raider Winston Moss, who worked with McKenzie in Green Bay and has been considered for head-coaching jobs in the past, could be the man to replace Jackson.
Things could get smoothed over and the Raiders could stand pat. But even if they do, you could certainly look at Jackson, Rex Ryan and Lovie Smith as coaches who will enter 2012 on the proverbial hot seat.”
January 10th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Chris,
Ink me for keep Hue, and here’s why.
IMO Hues mistakes are fixable. The only thing that concerns me is discipline with him. Hue is too buddy, buddy with his guys and it shows on the field. He never had someone to answer to half of the season. Now that he’s going to be held accountable, i think he puts a better team on the field under pressure. He has no choice at this point.
Also with a real DC and Hues possible replacement looking over his shoulder, this team will be much more focused!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:40 am
“ESPN’s Chris Mortensen said today that recently hired general manager Reggie McKenzie is contemplating whether to retain coach Hue Jackson.”
This would be interesting, except we all know Mortensen is a professional liar. So in fact RM is likely not even thinking about this at all. He’s probably contemplating the meaning of life, Coke or Pepsi, paper or plastic, etc. This story is a sham.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:41 am
I would like to see a defensive minded head coach that will instill toughness and discipline across the roster.
Let saunders be the OC if necessary and get the HC a DC who will game plan and call plays.
Just reducing penalties and mental focus will = two more wins
January 10th, 2012 at 6:41 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Promote Sanjay!!!
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JFB,
to what?
HC or OC?
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How about janitor??
January 10th, 2012 at 6:44 am
2DAY IS THE DAY.FIRE HUE OR KEEP HIM.THE STRINGING OUT DAY’S R OVER I HOPE.
January 10th, 2012 at 6:44 am
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
22. R8derdiehard
23. Djohnnyg
24. Ddwight
25. R8rwill
26. Deja Vu
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
21. S&B Offense Defense Special Teams
January 10th, 2012 at 6:44 am
POST-398,CHUCK B. HAS THAT JOB LOCKED UP..
January 10th, 2012 at 6:45 am
22. JR
January 10th, 2012 at 6:45 am
I was so pissed off when Denver drafted Tebow.
I live in Gator country(Jax) and this guy is literally god here.
Not that i think he’s a good QB, but the guy works harder than anyone and his will to win is not debatable. He has the longest wind up i have ever seen, but he still gets the job done.
I hate it that he’s in our division!
January 10th, 2012 at 6:47 am
As we reported Saturday on GameDay Morning, Hue Jackson has not received positive feedback from the team’s players and coaches in their discussions with Raiders officials. Consultants like former Raiders coach John Madden and former Raider exec Ken Herock have been taking the temperature of people there and gathering info for new GM Reggie McKenzie, who they helped hire.
Players and coaches complained that the power went to Jackson’s head following the passing of owner Al Davis. Jackson allegedly became difficult to deal with, threatening the jobs of players and coaches and pointing the finger at others when things turned for the worse. His postseason press conferences were bizarre and not well-received inside the team headquarters. If the Raiders decide to shake things up, sources say former Raider Winston Moss, who worked with McKenzie in Green Bay and has been considered for head-coaching jobs in the past, could be the man to replace Jackson.
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Twocents,
is that article for real ???
January 10th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Copied and pasted from NFL.com
January 10th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Let Chuck B. coach the defensive scout team. The starting offense of the Raiders will tear up his unit, giving everyone a lot of confidence going into practices later in the week against the real defense (coached by the new coordinator).
January 10th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Deja…. That’s my problem with the Tebow hype…. They make it sound like he’s ” getting it done “… But 1 win outta the last 4 games isn’t really Getting it done… At least to me…I just wonder if Tebow was not a conservative but instead some other religion ‘ like a Muslim or buddist , Mormon .. If he’d he their hero … Im Not a Christian so to me the hype doesn’t match the numbers in wins or stats …
January 10th, 2012 at 6:52 am
406,HaHa
January 10th, 2012 at 6:55 am
I ask Cork during one of his chats a few months ago if the Players liked playing for Hue….his answer was” They love playing for Hue , because they say he’s straight up with them…..
That might have changed but that the answer he gave to the question…
January 10th, 2012 at 7:00 am
I have no idea why Raider Fan’s are calling for Hue’s firing. You really want another 2 years for results? You really are not willing to give him another year even after all this team went through with injury’s??? and still put up one hell of a fight?
I was not happy when they brought back Brezzy as DC. I am not happy with the way the Defense played..But tell me one thing….WHEN WAS THE LAST TIME YOU SAW A RAIDER QB PASS THE BALL DEEP WITH SO MUCH ACCURACY???
JUST SAYING!!
January 10th, 2012 at 7:01 am
The Reggie McKenzie thing is great for the Raiders. The team has needed to instill more modern thinking into its philosophy for some time. All of the “bed and breakfast” guys need to go home and make coffee for their customers.
Al Davis was an innovator in many ways but as he got older had his hands full essentially running the entire organization by himself. Good football minds from the past combined with innovative thinking for the future will get the Raiders back to dynasty status.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:02 am
Jr…I agree..
January 10th, 2012 at 7:02 am
392.fingers Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Clock management… Sheesh….. Horrible….I keep thinking about that fake FG where we ran outta time…. Delay of F@&$ing game….
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That wasn’t on Hue. Lechler explained that they had to wait for the chiefs to get aligned to be sure the play was available. Thats the think with fake fg’s and fake punts. They are called as options after both teams align.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Fingers,
With the Tebow thing here, most of his fans aren’t all caught up in his religous beliefs. He was a winner at FL and that’s what draws attn in any college town.
I mean it helps that he’s a nice guy off the field, cause he has many female fans.
I honestly don’t think he’s a great QB. They used him a lot in the option at FL but he did pass when asked. I believe it’s a team sport and one guy can’t do it all.
Like i said though, his will to win rubs off on teammates. That is the confidence we need around here.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:05 am
410,BINGO,you are NOT alone,Carson Palmer is our QB,And Im very happy about that,period
January 10th, 2012 at 7:05 am
RaiderTiv… I’m not calling for Hue to be fired….. Only if he and McKenzie aren’t on the same page ….. Also… I’m OK with the Palmer trade and think its still to be determined if it was worth it.. I like Palmer for the Raiders… I just hope he’s who I hope he is…
January 10th, 2012 at 7:06 am
If Hue had lost the locker room like many in here think I doubt you would have seen many of the defensive players agreeing with him after the SD game that he SHOULD be pissed. Seymour, Huff, Branch all echoed his thoughts and feelings. Doesn’t sound too much to me like he lost his team.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:06 am
RAIDERTIV,I DONT AGREE THAT THEY PUT UP “ONE HELL OF A FIGHT”
January 10th, 2012 at 7:06 am
I’m on the fence with a decision on Huey. If he does get the axe, I hope Al Saunders is retained as the OC and a defensive coach is brought in. If Moss is brought in I would think it’s for DC, not HC. I don’t want to go through the growing pains of another rookie HC. Get an experienced guy in here and lets work on fixing/changing the defense.
A defensive HC in Oakland! It would be the first time since Al was HC I think.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Deja…I can’t argue any of the points you made…. Just 1 fan here with my 1 opinion..
January 10th, 2012 at 7:15 am
How about Dom Capers as HC with Moss the DC? I remember Capers got some tough gigs in Carolina and Houston.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Dirt. let me rephrase that. MOST of the team put up one hell of a fight.
I think the Defense gave up.
Hue said that Buffalo game definde who that team was. And I agree…even with the addition of Carson the Bomber Palmer.
I have felt that the defense has been weak for a long time.
I like Hue as a coach. I think he deserves to stay! I think he also deserves to pick his DC and the they should pick their coaches as well.
I am fine with a new GM…how ever I am NOT fine with wiping the slate clean untill Hue can prove that he can’t do this job.
I am 46 years old with health issues…I want to see another Raider Super Bowl win before I die.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Carl… Yep…a real DC in Oakland will be awesome..
January 10th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Just checked out Capers, he was the first HC for both franchises. Took Carolina to the NFC Championship with skerry collins and didn’t fare so well with a bad texans team and David Carr.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:17 am
Fingers,
Don’t get me wrong, i never thought he would go in the first round! I thought if anything, he’d be a long project because of his mechanics.
Also i didn’t think he’d last as long as he did without getting injured. Being an NFL option QB in the NFL, you take a beating!
Anyway, enough about Denver.
Does anyone know if there is a link to watch this press conference live?
January 10th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Raidertiv…the Raiders defense was horrible during pre season…. I was one that thought… It’s just pre season and they’ll play better….. I was wrong … They’ve been ( sucked) inconsistent all year…
January 10th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Ya know, I look at what Spanos said about the Chargers and why he didn’t fire Smith and Turner and I think a lot of that rings true here. Expectations were simply way to high for this team, which is the reason for all the rage and hate for Hue Jackson. We barely mustered up an 8-8 season last year after (an NFL record) 6 consecutive 11+ lose seasons. All of the sudden, we became a playoff or bust team? MOST in here put the ceiling at 9-7 for this team in camp, and lowered that to 8-8 or 7-9 after what we showed in the preseason. Then we got off to a nice start of 4-2 and we were all of the sudden Super Bowl bound. Then the REAL OAKLAND RAIDERS stood up and we finished right where we should have, a middling mediocre 8-8… and all of the sudden we underperformed?
January 10th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Deja… Google Csnbayareasports.com… I believe the link is on that site ….that’s where in watching it ..
January 10th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Dom Capers for HC with Moss or Darren Perry for DC
Here’s some info on coach Capers:
Though Capers is known for using the 3-4 defense, he also ran a 4-3 in Jacksonville under coach Tom Coughlin and a hybrid 3-4/4-3 under Miami coach Nick Saban and New England coach Bill Belichick.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:21 am
Ok…I gotta do some chores … See ya all after…
January 10th, 2012 at 7:24 am
You want to see what a team that laid down and quit on its coach looks like? Look to Tampa Bay… started with the same 4-2 record as us. Then proceeded to be the WORST team in the NFL for the last 10 weeks. Hell they made OUR defense look like the 2000 Ravens!
January 10th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Agreed Fingers. But I think they have sucked for alot longer than just this year.
The team has needed a good QB. And a good O-line. and a WAY better Defense than they gave us.
We got the QB. We have the O-line…we have the run game…if DMAC would stay healthy…We have good fast recievers.
WE NEED DEFENSE! That’s it! A Defensive line that can stop the run. And a “NO PASSSING ZONE!” version 2.0
If I were the GM I would just focus on that. And if Hue can’t deliver with that..then he doesn’t deserve his job!
What this franchise needs is stability at head coach. Just look at the Stealers…what makes them great…is stability. Same with the packers.
I don’t like bringing in Winston Moss…he is not proven as a Head Coach. I would rather have Gruden back!
January 10th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Let Chuck B. coach the defensive scout team
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JR,
Chuck’s contract expires next week.
you want the guy re-signed as a defensive asst ???
January 10th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Carl Weather Dom Capers??? REALLY??? your joking right??
Regular season
48-80-0
Postseason
1-1
Career record
49-81-0
Does the Name NORV TURNER MEAN ANYTHING TO YOU???? Why would you bring in a PROVEN LOSER??? you must be a chargers fan pretending to be a Raider fan? or your just a troll??
January 10th, 2012 at 7:35 am
RaiderTiv, you’ve probably never even heard of Dom Capers. Good job spelling his name right in Google though.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Rockstar, B@uce, Dknight were astute observers of the raggedy defense well before the rest of you got to your levels of outrage. The lack of a run defense year after year, two UTs up the middle, lightweights at LB and now coverted DEs trying to cover receivers in a 43. The raiders have been burned by receivers in the slot for years.
Regardless, the scheme has been mostly the same for 20 years. No excuse for the EPIC meltdown which was bad even for them.
Penalties, poor communication and a general lethargic and apthetic attitude that can only be changed by cleaning house on defense and getting DCs and Head coaches that DEMAND a higher standard.
This team LAYED down during stretch run
January 10th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Rockstar,
I was just joking with the scout team stuff. I think that Chuck B. needs to go.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Let Chuck B. coach the defensive scout team
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JR,
Chuck’s contract expires next week.
you want the guy re-signed as a defensive asst ???
January 10th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Yes,
I have heard of him. and he is a former head coach with a losing record.
There is only one coach with that name. your attempt at sarcasm is an epic fail dude.
He is a loser. And I can’t see why you would want him as a head coach??
I can see him as an assistant or DC MAYBE…but, you look at the Packers defense this year and they suck! they are suspect! KC ruined them. And they had alot of close games because of defense letting them down…the offense kept them winning.
Sorry I just don’t see it
January 10th, 2012 at 7:46 am
Penalties, poor communication and a general lethargic and apthetic attitude that can only be changed by cleaning house on defense and getting DCs and Head coaches that DEMAND a higher standard.
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What if the players with these attitudes that have been here for years just don’t change… then what?
January 10th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Bcz24 good point. What I don’t get is how a player from another team does well…hardly gets any penalties and comes to the Raiders and all of the sudden they get them left and right??
Is the NFL going to say that every coach and every player from the begining of time that has come to the Raiders has just said screw the rules. get as many penalties as possible? EVERY YEAR???
I don’t buy that either. Their is something going on there…with the Refs. I am not saying that the players are perfect ALL the time. but Year after yearafter year??? the Raiders lead the NFL in penalties?
As for Players that don’t play or buy in…they are gone!
January 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am
I wouldn’t be very surprised if RM cans HJ, nor would I be very upset.
If it was MY call, Hue would be given another year. I think he’s earned that. Just barely.
There’s quite a few concerns and reasons that would justify letting Hue go. He’s made some really bad tactical decisions during games. Repeatedly attempted 30 yard passes late in games when an easy 7 yard completion for a first down would have been just as effective and much more likely to succeed. Foregoing the FG against Cle was inexcusable, and he had the audacity to say he’d do it again ! Failed to go for two against Detroit. Blew a shot at a FG in KC by not attempting a sideline throw – almost the same exact mistake he made at the end of the Detroit game (luckily DHB dropped that pass, although Hue insisted there would have been time to get a FG off. No way).
So we have a pattern of some bad mistakes – but what’s most worrisome is that he didn’t acknowledge them, repeated them, and seemingly didn’t learn from them.
So why would I give Hue another year ?
Overall, I think he’s done a pretty good job with the offense. The playcalling (esp in the red zone) hasn’t been great, but generally, I like the aggression and like the style of play. I think he did a very good job at catching opponents off guard with the numerous fake punts and FGs the Raiders pulled off.
I think he overpaid in the Palmer trade, but I appreciate that he recognized the Raiders had to move on from the bottom tier JC. I think the Curry deal was a good one. Having said that, I don’t think it is fair to put too much weight on whatever opinion one might have on his performance as a temp GM when we should be primarily evaluating his performance as a HC. He wasn’t hired to be a GM and surely will not have much power in that area if he is retained.
I also appreciate the respect Hue has always shown for Al Davis and his reverence for the past greatness of the franchise. This might be salesmanship and an attempt to stay in Mark’s good graces and grab more power, but I’ll give Hue the benefit of the doubt on this one.
Then there’s the continuity factor. I don’t believe in staying with something that clearly isn’t working, but I also believe there’s some validity to the ‘if it ain’t broke, don’t fix it’ adage. While the adage isn’t entirely applicable in this case (surely there’s a need for some repair and improvement), I think Hue has done just enough to avoid being relegated to the scrap heap for now.
Put me down to keep Hue for now, but he must show improvement and not repeat his mistakes going forward.
Obviously !
January 10th, 2012 at 7:54 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
Rockstar, B@uce, Dknight were astute observers of the raggedy defense well before the rest of you got to your levels of outrage.
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You must be kind of new as a Raider fan.
Those of us who witnessed Chuck’s first stint knew he was not the answer, maybe we hoped he would somehow get it fixed, but we had a pretty good idea how things would work out on Defense.
Too bad we had to settle on him after Dennis Thurman was blocked from us, I think Al and Hue went with Chuck as a 1 year stopgag until Thurman’s contract expired after the season.
January 10th, 2012 at 7:54 am
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:54 am
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January 10th, 2012 at 7:58 am
RaiderTiv,
It is almost a statistical IMPOSSIBILITY for the the same team, out of 32 options and with enitrely new coaches and players on the same enitity many times over, that that same entity will ALWAYS lead the league in penalties for that many years without their being some kind of pre-disposed leaning toward an event like that occuring.
I don’t know why, in this age of so many pundits wieghing in with their personal opinion(s) that this fact has not been brought up to any level meriting serious debate.
“Oh, it’s just the Raiders” they say.
I say BS.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:01 am
There was no attempt at sarcasm, I was being serious.
Capers is and has been a great defensive mind in the NFL for a long, long time. He had 2 HC stints, the one in Carolina began well with a beefed up expansion roster and then in Houston, which would have been a tough gig for Vince Lombardi.
Dom Capers is just a name I threw out there with ties to Reggie McKenzie and 3-4/4-3 defense and hybrids of the two.
I keep seeing people calling for Hue to be canned and I haven’t seen any suggestions other than Winston Moss, who’s name was floated around here last off season. I would welcome Moss as our HC if that were to be the case, but I’d rather see him come in as DC.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
The old walrus Hacksaw said yesterday on the radio that Mckenzie has been at the facility since Friday and that announcements will be made regarding the staff on Wednsday.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
By the way, in the game vs Detroit, on that critical 3rd down, the play called was perfect.
Palmer had time to drop back, Schilens beat the CB badly and was wide open for the TD … Palmer’s throw was a little too strong and Schilens didn’t adjust properly, that was not a bad call at all, it was bad execution and that does not fall on the play-caller.
It was obvious Detroit did not expect it and they were caught off-guard, how many times in these modern NFL do you really surprise opponents with a call? not that often unless is a trick-play …. Detroit was obvioulsy expecting a conservative call and would have been ready for a run or a short pass.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Next post from Steveo will be
According to a source that has nothing to do with nobody. Mark Davis Raiders will remain in Oakland until they move. If and when the opportunity comes to move to another city they may or may not go.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 5:28 am
The Bronco’s run the “option” around 10% of the time. Just about as much as Hue ran reverses and FB dives.
Lots of play-action off of a fake handoff, it just looks different than your standard play-action. And a lot of those handoffs were Tebow fakes taking off, are designed runs.
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There are a lot of wrinkles that they have put in that makes the Denver option offense dangerous. lst off, they set a spread and run out of that. 2ndly they pass deep out of a pro run formation, using max protect. Both those wrinkles right there are enough to drive you crazy. Give it up to them. They succeeded. We failed.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am
One good thing is that REAL games for us will start in preseason as some are alluding to.
Almost everything we saw in preseason came true the whole way.
Still couldn’t stop the run. We didn’t see ANY indication anything had changed with that.
Also, the scrubs in the 3rd and 4th quarter we saw who sucked end up playing in the reg. season which showed a lack of depth on defense which revealed itself in the reg. season.
People said “it’s just preseason” but i for one will be watching it closer this year for signs things will get better.
Also, the final scores of those games are not what i’m looking for.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Kind of suprised we haven’t had any type of leak of info on the Hue situation, to where a Schefty or Mort would have a definitive “he is staying, or he will be fired” report.
McKenzie is going to get bombarded by the Mike Lupica of the Bay Area, Jerry McDonald.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:16 am
449.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Next post from Steveo will be
According to a source that has nothing to do with nobody. Mark Davis Raiders will remain in Oakland until they move. If and when the opportunity comes to move to another city they may or may not go.
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Ha. Funny. Just like Mort’s “breaking news”.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
By the way, in the game vs Detroit, on that critical 3rd down, the play called was perfect.
Palmer had time to drop back, Schilens beat the CB badly and was wide open for the TD … Palmer’s throw was a little too strong and Schilens didn’t adjust properly, that was not a bad call at all, it was bad execution and that does not fall on the play-caller.
It was obvious Detroit did not expect it and they were caught off-guard, how many times in these modern NFL do you really surprise opponents with a call? not that often unless is a trick-play …. Detroit was obvioulsy expecting a conservative call and would have been ready for a run or a short pass.
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If you remember, that was the same play call in the Chicago game. We were winning the whole way, Chicago had tightened the game up and we were facing a 3rd or 4th and short. Palmer threw a bomb to Murphy along the right boundary, and Bush powered in for six a couple of plays later. Turns out we needed those points as Chicago came down and made it a game again. In the Chicago game, that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Who picks the staff in traditional franchises…I think hue stays but does he get to pick his coaches on d?
January 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Seymour-Oakglenn
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
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Really?.
Where did you get that previously unknown information?.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Seymour-Oakglenn
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
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Really?.
Where did you get that previously unknown information?
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He was reading his bong residue…
January 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Raider guy Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Who picks the staff in traditional franchises…I think hue stays but does he get to pick his coaches on d?
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I dont think Hue really cares who it is. Just wants them to get some freakin stops and maybe force a punt or 2.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue has been quiet as a mouse since McKenzie came on. Probably hasn’t unzipped and waved it around in days…
January 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Peymour swears on his life he doesn’t know who OakGlen is.
lmao
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Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Seymour-Oakglenn
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
January 10th, 2012 at 8:27 am
3-4! 3-4! 3-4!
Make the switch! Clap, clap, clap-clap-clap
January 10th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Seymour-Oakglenn
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
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Really?.
Where did you get that previously unknown information?.
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Carson Palmer amongst other players said it. After the game. Look it up, it’s probably on this site.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
MistaBrown Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Peymour swears on his life he doesn’t know who OakGlen is.
lmao
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Actually you have no idea where your dikk is. Hence why I keep telling you to use viagra. Maybe that will help you find it.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
MistaBrown Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue has been quiet as a mouse since McKenzie came on. Probably hasn’t unzipped and waved it around in days.
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Of course. McKenzie, Davis and Trask have seen the same media reports about canning Jackson we have, but have done NOTHING to refute them. Hue’s being taught a lesson in humility here.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
At the end of games this year, we had our patented 3rd and 1 heaves thrown to just about every WR on the roster.
To my knowledge Lou Murph was the only who made the play.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Mista
“Peymour swears on his life he doesn’t know who OakGlen is.”
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I believed it was a known fact, my bad Seymour if you’re not old Oakglenn, he was a cool guy (just don’t ask Mistabrown about him) those 2 battled for years, I liked them both.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
PeymourGlenn666 the blogs elite troll.
Why are you pitching Viagra on a sports blog?
January 10th, 2012 at 8:32 am
The difference between the Chicago and Detroit games were we NEEDED those points v. Chicago. Hue’s play call to go deep v Detroit was interesting. The Detroit defense had sold out against the run. Meaning the pass was there. Why Jackson went deep, instead of a higher percentage short or medium route is beyond me. You will have to ask Jackson. I am positive McKenzie will.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Carson Palmer amongst other players said it. After the game. Look it up, it’s probably on this site.
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I certainly have never seen that said, I read every blog entry on this site, never mentioned here.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:33 am
It is a known fact he just chooses the need to lie about it.
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Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Mista
“Peymour swears on his life he doesn’t know who OakGlen is.”
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I believed it was a known fact, my bad Seymour if you’re not old Oakglenn, he was a cool guy (just don’t ask Mistabrown about him) those 2 battled for years, I liked them both.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Seymour Bush Says:
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
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Really?.
Where did you get that previously unknown information?.
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Carson Palmer amongst other players said it. After the game. Look it up, it’s probably on this site.
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I’m pretty certain that’s not true, so if you are making the claim, you need to back it up.
I will stand corrected if proven wrong.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Hue was not the issue. He had the offense averaging 23 points a game and that was without DMAC, Ford and Moore for a good portion of the season. Remember, Bresnahan was not the first choice for Al. He was all that was available that had a record with Al. Leave the offense alone and change the DC. Winston Moss would be a great fit. If you ever want to get any quality work out of McClain then we need to go with a 3-4 defense. We just need a fat guy in the middle with Seymour and Kelly as the DE’s.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
PeymourGlenn666,
Why are you worried about another mans dikk on a sports blog?
FK’ng homo!
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Actually you have no idea where your dikk is. Hence why I keep telling you to use viagra. Maybe that will help you find it.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I have to hand it to OakGlenn I have never seen in all of my life one guy get into another guys head so deep on a damn BLOG!
He has Brownstains spinning all day long the poor little brained uneducated troll waits anxiously for OakGlenn and if he doesn’t see him he gets paranoid and starts to think that everyone here is oakglenn.
I bet when he lays his inbreed deformed head on his pillow at night he has nightmares of OakGlann owning him on this BLOG.
Such a shallow life for such a simple man.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:51 am
# Seymour Bush Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
By the way, in the game vs Detroit, on that critical 3rd down, the play called was perfect.
Palmer had time to drop back, Schilens beat the CB badly and was wide open for the TD … Palmer’s throw was a little too strong and Schilens didn’t adjust properly, that was not a bad call at all, it was bad execution and that does not fall on the play-caller.
It was obvious Detroit did not expect it and they were caught off-guard, how many times in these modern NFL do you really surprise opponents with a call? not that often unless is a trick-play …. Detroit was obvioulsy expecting a conservative call and would have been ready for a run or a short pass.
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If you remember, that was the same play call in the Chicago game. We were winning the whole way, Chicago had tightened the game up and we were facing a 3rd or 4th and short. Palmer threw a bomb to Murphy along the right boundary, and Bush powered in for six a couple of plays later. Turns out we needed those points as Chicago came down and made it a game again. In the Chicago game, that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.
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You’re both right in your observations.
The play against Detroit DID catch them by surprise.
The play against Chicago also caught them off-guard.
But you’re missing the bigger picture.
30 yard throws up the sideline are NOT easy to complete even if the play fools the defense and the WR is wide open.
Shorter passes are easier to complete. The most important consideration in those instances has to be to at least complete the pass to keep the clock running and hopefully get a first down to ice the game.
Review some of the earlier games. In Denver, Hue opted for a shorter safer completion to DHB to ice the game. That worked.
Against Houston he tried a difficult up the sideline attempt to Schillens. Fail. Almost cost the game.
Against the Jets, attempted an extremely difficult pass to DHB in the corner of the end zone. Fail. Made things hairy.
And then there’s the success against Chicago – and the failure against Detroit.
So he tried one short pass in Denver which succeeded and tried four other more difficult completions – 3 of which failed.
Hey, I don’t mind foregoing the run and the certainty of running clock in those situations. I actually prefer aggression and trying to catch the opponent off guard with a pass in those situations. But I like smart, controlled aggression that is most likely to succeed and think the correct play call in those situations is one that recognizes that getting a completion to keep the clock moving is the paramount concern. It isn’t necessary to make things more difficuly by attempting 30 yard tosses.
It should be noted that the Raids failed twice in the pre-season on two 4th down pass attempts. One was easily batted down when JC threw right at a DL. The other was a poorly timed and thrown behind the receiver on a short crossing pattern. So, you’re right that those short passes aren’t always ‘gimmees’ either. But a top notch coach learns from those pre-season errors, refines the offense and eventually comes up with a reliable 7 – 10 yard passing option for those types of situations.
January 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Tim Tebow’s big herpes lip is a bi-product of his boy/equine trist with Jonathan Elway. Bestiality is a key component to Denver’s post-season success.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
If the Raiders switch to a 3-4 Defense, who mans up in the middle of that D-Line?
we got nobody for NT unless Travis Ivey or Jamie Cumbie prove to be that guy.
We know Seymour, Kelly, Henderson & Bryant aint gonna work …
3-4 DE’s = ShoNasty, Kelly, Seymour, Houston, Bryant
Assuming Henderson gets whacked and if Moss and/or Scott get re-signed they’ll both play OLB – fighting for playing time behind Wimbley and Curry (Groves = FA)
then who plays MLB next to McClain? Brown or Goethel off of I.R. ??? re-sign Blackstock?
January 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Raiderman99
Sound post.
“Shorter passes are easier to complete.”
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Yes, but you have to assume the Defense is thinking the same thing, they are lined up near the LOS to take away those.
Ultimately the pass was not completed vs Detroit and Lechler pinned them inside their own 1 yard line, that should have bee enough to win the game.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
456.Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Seymour-Oakglenn
“that was an Al Saunders call, not Hue. Jackson was not getting points, and turned the play calling to Saunders. He then took it back later in the season.”
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Really?.
Where did you get that previously unknown information?.
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Corky’s source
January 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Then who plays MLB next to McClain? Brown or Goethel off of I.R. ??? re-sign Blackstock?
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With our third-round pick, we get the best run-stuffing ILB still on the board. We put him at WILB, and McClain at SILB can do the “head-hunter” thing that worked so well for him in the SEC.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 9th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
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WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
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20. PlunkforHOF
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I would have no problem if Reggie canned Hue.
I think Hue has what it takes to be a successful HC, BUT this is the McKenzie show now. Know your roll Hue, shut your mouth and just do YOUR job within Reggies’ system!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
This is a good read!
http://silverandblackdaily.com/2012/01/09/hue-jackson-controversy-or-non-issue/
January 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
I don’t mind Hue taking a chance here and there, but it seems like it was becoming predictable.
Defense struggling to hold lead, offense with ball needing one first down to really ice things, and 3rd and 1 or 2, play-action, deep ball.
It seemed like we did it more times than we didn’t, and it failed more times than in worked.
Not good risk-reward, IMO, and hence, bad coaching.
Fire Hue
January 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
KEEP HUE AS OUR HEAD COACH:
1. Chris in NY
2. Bob Marley
3. Raider Duck
4. Daraider09
5. JB
6. Exlaraiderseasonticketholder
7. 8RaiderReign8
8. RaiderSam
9. 18yearsold18yearraiderfan
10. Raidertalk
11. Hendu
12. Freddie B
13. Qodrn1
14. Dorian Gray
15. 303Raider
16. SouthTexasRaider
17. 504 Raider
18. Dan ManoukiansNeighbor
19. Da Trinity
20. Luvmarvhub
21. DaTruth91
WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE:
1. Raider O
2. Method to My Madness
3. VanHeathen
4. Raiderbuck
5. RaiderRockstar
6. Dr. Hunter S. Thompson
7. R8dercain
8. Young American
9. Hwnrdr
10. MistaBrown
11. Jesusraiderjim
12. Plunketthead
13. Fingers
14. Dakota
15. Lefty12
16. Wasbanned
17. Al D. Davis
18. Just Fire Baby
19. Seymour Bush
20. PlunkforHOF
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I WOULD HAVE NO PROBLEM IF REGGIE DECIDES TO CAN HUE.
It´s Reggie Mck turn, let him to decide.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
RRS,
Houston picked up some 6′3 289lb guy off the street to play NT for them.
Won’t have a problem finding our NT.
Curry will be the other ILB next to McClain.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
What kind of GM would Reggie be if he didnt go over ALL his options. Hue is just a part of that. Maybe they simply do not get along. You never know. Let the GM do his thing…we all know Hue’s most likely coming back.
In Regg we trust??
Start making the Regg decals??
January 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Vegas.
“but it seems like it was becoming predictable.”
Not against Detroit because they were burned badly, Palmer was untouched and Schilens was wide open, great play-call.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I’m pretty sure the players unhappy with Hue for threatning to cut them are Boyd, Barnes, Blackstock, Mitchell, and Groves.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Ultimately the pass was not completed vs Detroit and Lechler pinned them inside their own 1 yard line, that should have bee enough to win the game.
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Absolutely. But to be honest, when Hue failed to go for two and the lead was sitting at 13, I knew we were in serious trouble. Once Detroit cut it to 6,(which never should have happened if Slowlando McLame wasn’t a useless POS) even after Lech’s GREAT punt, I was 99% certain we would be trailing within seconds.
I was just hoping Detroit would leave us enough time to come back. If Stafford didn’t under throw Megatron and they scored immediately, we’d have won that game anyway.
What a clusterfk.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Carson Palmer amongst other players said it. After the game. Look it up, it’s probably on this site.
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I certainly have never seen that said, I read every blog entry on this site, never mentioned here.
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Bcz24,
I have never read that anywhere either.
During Corks live chat a few weeks ago someone aske if Saunders called any plays.
Steve stated Hue called all plays.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Marley…even if the player is wide open (like he was) the play may still not work (which it didnt). You dont get points for degree of difficulty. We needed a short slant/crossing route…game over.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Good Morning DMAC!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Wassup Dmac.
Posted up in hotel at Disneyland waiting for the fam to get up.
Going to miss the PC.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
This is the Quote of the day in regards to the Pats picking up former Denver head coach Josh Mcdaniels.
“If anybody knows how to make the Broncos lose it’s Josh McDaniels.”
LMAO
January 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
If the Raiders switch to a 3-4 Defense, who mans up in the middle of that D-Line?
we got nobody for NT unless Travis Ivey or Jamie Cumbie prove to be that guy.
We know Seymour, Kelly, Henderson & Bryant aint gonna work …
3-4 DE’s = ShoNasty, Kelly, Seymour, Houston, Bryant
Assuming Henderson gets whacked and if Moss and/or Scott get re-signed they’ll both play OLB – fighting for playing time behind Wimbley and Curry (Groves = FA)
then who plays MLB next to McClain? Brown or Goethel off of I.R. ??? re-sign Blackstock?
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ShoNasty is a perfect 4-3 LDE, but I don’t think he is the right fit for a 3-4 DE. We would probably have to try him as an OLB in a 3-4 but that is an unknown too.
We would need better LB’s across the board. Geothel is junk, and McClown isn’t looking great. Curry may be a decent ILB in a, might be ok as an OLB too.
We have NO NT on the roster. Hendu is our best run stoping DT and his is near the end of his career.
We got the personal to have a Top 5 front 7, but a bottom 5 front 7 in a 3-4.
I’m all for going 3-4, but it is going to take a major overhaul of our personal.
In Reggie we trust!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Hue should stay at head coach. he will come back down to earth with new measures of accountability for his play calling and game decisions.
Hue may be a lot of things, but those were all excalated & magnified because of the defense. The defense constantly put the offense in dire situations.
If our D was even 20th in the NFL overall we would have been 11-5.
Give him a D coordinator like Winston Moss and the 26 points a agame on offense will supply 11-12 wins next year. Mark it down.
and if Hue still bothers the GM than Moss slips in to head coach.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
489.J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I’m pretty sure the players unhappy with Hue for threatning to cut them are Boyd, Barnes, Blackstock, Mitchell, and Groves.
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And they all SHOULD be cut (maybe keep Barnes). Gonna enjoy a GM that gives no scholarships…
January 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Which one of you kind, young/old men could brake down the compensatory draft picks for me? (Miller,Nnamdi)
Thanx
January 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Damn J,
Hope you still got some cash left when you leave that place. I heard its great, but not to great on the pockets. Enjoy.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Bob Marley Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Vegas.
“but it seems like it was becoming predictable.”
Not against Detroit because they were burned badly, Palmer was untouched and Schilens was wide open, great play-call.
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Hate to butt in ya’ll conversation, but that also bothered me. All you need is a 1st down and you win the game.
Run the damn ball! Bush was started to get chunks of yards. (stupid call, IMO)
That coast us a play off birth Hue!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
500.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Damn J,
Hope you still got some cash left when you leave that place. I heard its great, but not to great on the pockets. Enjoy.
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Its not too bad. You are though better off upgrading to the annual pass. Not that much more. Priceline your hotel, bring in snacks and youre good…
January 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Raiderman99.
“even after Lech’s GREAT punt, I was 99% certain we would be trailing within seconds.”
Same here, the headline flashed in my head … “Lions drive 99 yards to beat the Raiders”.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
ElkGRaider Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
500.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Damn J,
Hope you still got some cash left when you leave that place. I heard its great, but not to great on the pockets. Enjoy.
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Its not too bad. You are though better off upgrading to the annual pass. Not that much more. Priceline your hotel, bring in snacks and youre good…
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Thanx for the advice. Thinking of taking a trip up there as soon as my younger one turns 3.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Compensatory Picks Awarded (round – team – player lost)
3 – Oakland – Nnamdi Asomugha
3 – Minnesota – Sidney Rice
3 – Oakland – Zach Miller (possibly a 4)
4 – Green Bay – Cullen Jenkins
4 – Minnesota – Ray Edwards (possibly no pick, see below)
4 – Indianapolis – Clint Session (possibly a 6 for Johnson, see below)
4 – Baltimore – Dawan Landry
4 – Green Bay – Daryn Colledge
4 – Dallas – Stephen Bowen
4 – Oakland – Robert Gallery (possibly a 5 or no pick, see below)
6 – New York Giants – Kevin Boss (possibly a 5)
6 – New York Jets – Shaun Ellis (possibly a 5)
6 – Indianapolis – Charlie Johnson (possibly a 4 for Session, see below)
6 – Cleveland – Eric Wright
6 – New York Jets – Brad Smith
6 – Cleveland – Matt Roth
6 – Atlanta – Michael Koenen (possibly no pick, see below)
7 – New York Jets – Drew Coleman
7 – Carolina – Jeff King (possibly a 6, it’s complicated)
7 – Pittsburgh – Matt Spaeth
7 – New York Giants – Steve Smith (possibly no pick, see below)
7 – Green Bay – Brandon Jackson
7 – Indianapolis – Bob Sanders
7 – Cleveland – Lawrence Vickers
7 – Green Bay – Jason Spitz
7 – Pittsburgh – Nick Eason
7 – New York Jets – Braylon Edwards
7 – Cleveland – Jason Trusnik
And the additional picks:
7 – St. Louis
7 – Indianapolis
7 – Minnesota
7 – Tampa Bay
7 – Cleveland (if a pick is lost above)
January 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
According to the article I just posted we would get two 3rd round picks and one 4th.
http://www.mockingthedraft.com/2012/1/6/2686334/2012-compensatory-draft-pick-predictions
January 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Thanx 666.
This is for this years draft, right?
And what about the possibly 4,5 or no pick?????
January 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
504.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
ElkGRaider Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
500.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Damn J,
Hope you still got some cash left when you leave that place. I heard its great, but not to great on the pockets. Enjoy.
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Its not too bad. You are though better off upgrading to the annual pass. Not that much more. Priceline your hotel, bring in snacks and youre good…
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Thanx for the advice. Thinking of taking a trip up there as soon as my younger one turns 3.
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Yep yep. Ive “named my own price” the last few times Ive went. Got a 3 1/2 star for $65-$75 each time. Early November’s the best time…so dead.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Good link 6ers…
January 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Before compensatory picks, what picks do we have?
A 3,4,5 and 6?
So with the addition of compensatory picks we have a total of 7 picks this draft?
January 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
“Before compensatory picks, what picks do we have?
A 3,4,5 and 6?”
I am pretty sure we only have a 5, 6 and 7
3 went to Pryor and the 4th rounder was for JC
January 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I don’t believe we have a regular pick until the 5th round.
1st-CP trade
2nd- traded up for somebody
3rd-Terrell Pryor
4th-Jason Campbell
January 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
So I didn’t miss anything last night? Heard the BCS was a real dud.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
We dont need any stinking draft picks!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:04 am
If the Raiders switch to a 3-4 Defense, who mans up in the middle of that D-Line?
we got nobody for NT unless Travis Ivey or Jamie Cumbie prove to be that guy.
We know Seymour, Kelly, Henderson & Bryant aint gonna work …
3-4 DE’s = ShoNasty, Kelly, Seymour, Houston, Bryant
Assuming Henderson gets whacked and if Moss and/or Scott get re-signed they’ll both play OLB – fighting for playing time behind Wimbley and Curry (Groves = FA)
then who plays MLB next to McClain? Brown or Goethel off of I.R. ??? re-sign Blackstock?
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ShoNasty is a perfect 4-3 LDE, but I don’t think he is the right fit for a 3-4 DE. We would probably have to try him as an OLB in a 3-4 but that is an unknown too.
We would need better LB’s across the board. Geothel is junk, and McClown isn’t looking great. Curry may be a decent ILB in a, might be ok as an OLB too.
We have NO NT on the roster. Hendu is our best run stoping DT and his is near the end of his career.
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Shaughnessy = 3-4 OLB, not DE. Think Mario Williams and the transition he made this year from 4-3 De to 3-4 OLB. Very similar size and playing style as Sho-nasty.
The missing NT we need would be Abreyo Franklin. He was great at that position in San Francisco for years, and now he’s had a down year in New Orleans in a 4-3. The wrong scheme for him.
He could come on the cheap and fit perfect for a few years until we can draft and develop a premium NT.
Or like the good teams, get multiple guys who can play the position so there is a strong rotation. Maybe Henderson can rotate in that spot too. A space eater.
But either way I think Franklin would be perfect for us.
Kelly and Seymour and Houston as the DEs, Franklin as the NT.
And I would move Kelly inside (like a Jay Ratliff) in passing situations.
Houston and Seymour are the starting DEs in a 3-4 in my opinion.
We would also need another ILB as you said above.
But to me the key is getting someone proven and relatively cheap for NT until we can draft our BJ Raji type, under McKenzie! That could very well be Franklin!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
What time is the presser?
January 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
2012 Oakland Raider draft (before compensatory picks)
1- Cincy owns (Palmer)
2- NE owns (Barksdale and T Jones)
3- Pryor
4- Was owns (Campbell)
5- available
6- available
7- Sea owns (Curry)
January 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Just read elsewhere that we’ll probably be awarded three third round picks and a fourth-round pick.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
516.Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
What time is the presser?
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I heard 2 on the radio but dont remember if I was listening to ESPN (eastern time) or KNBR…
January 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I don’t believe we have a regular pick until the 5th round.
2nd- traded up for somebody
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The 2nd was traded for the picks that became Barksdale and Taiwan. Good trade.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
With our third-round pick, we get the best run-stuffing ILB still on the board.
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Duck,
good plan!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Bcz24
So basically we have a 5th and 6th rounder, before the compensatory picks right?
January 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Wow, that article says that we will get compensatory help from losing Bruce Gradkowski.
My man Bruce, still helping things improve in Raider-land.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
The 2nd was traded for the picks that became Barksdale and Taiwan. Good trade.
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We traded a 2nd to trade up in the 3rd round I believe.
Didn’t get squat out of it in 2012.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
That’s exactly how we do it Elk.
Got the season passes.
Used hotels.com though. Got a 2 room suite for 89 bucks a night at the holiday inn.
Not the MGM, but it ain’t 200 a night either, lol.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
So basically we have a 5th and 6th rounder, before the compensatory picks right
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Correct
January 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
With our third-round pick, we get the best run-stuffing ILB still on the board.
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Duck,
good plan!
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Or we can go w/ Conner (FA) from Carolina to push Romac. I think the dude can play.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Damn, I don’t think i’ve ever seen a draft where a teams 1st pick is in the 5th round.
I hope Reggie can work some magic and trade some players for picks.
I think he may surprise us with a trade that will be a head scratcher and piss some folks off. To get value, you have to trade a player with value.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Wow, that article says that we will get compensatory help from losing Bruce Gradkowski.
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That actually makes sense, considering he started half the season before leaving.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
J,
So you gonna let me borrow the season passes or what?
lol
January 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
I think he may surprise us with a trade that will be a head scratcher and piss some folks off. To get value, you have to trade a player with value.
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Jacoby Ford is my guess.
I think he is at a position of strength for us, and has some actual value.
Lou Murph has no value, or I would say him. I doubt we could dangle Murph for anything more than maybe moving up 10 picks in the 5th round.
I bet we could get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Ford.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Yes we only have a 5th round and 6th round this year before the compensatory picks are dealt out.
So lets say we get two 3rd rounders and a 4th. We would still only get 5 draft picks all at the lower end of the draft.
So yeah I would say that Reggie has to work some magic to get us in a better draft position.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I don’t believe we have a regular pick until the 5th round.
1st-CP trade
2nd- traded up for somebody
3rd-Terrell Pryor
4th-Jason Campbell
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Sounds right. Think the 2nd went to N.E. and we got Taiwan and Barksdale in return.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Houston picked up some 6′3 289lb guy off the street to play NT for them.
Won’t have a problem finding our NT.
Curry will be the other ILB next to McClain
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Jhill,
Really ??? awesome.
I didn’t think finding a starter quality NT and ILB would be so easy!
trade Seymour. trade Kelly.
Houston-Ivey-ShoNasty
(Jamie Cumbie, Hall Davis & Desmond Bryant = backup D-Line)
Wimbley-McClain-Curry-Moss
Playoffs, baby!
January 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Or we can go w/ Conner (FA) from Carolina to push Romac. I think the dude can play.
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Carolina’s run defense was awful this year. They gave up 130 yards a game (to our 136). If Conner was signed on the cheap for depth I would be ok with it, but I wouldn’t count on him to replace McLame… that would be a lateral move in my opinion
January 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
I wouldn’t be mad if we threw in Murph with somebody else for a trade.
You’re right JFB, Murph wouldn’t get us much of anything alone.
January 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am
bcz24 Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Or we can go w/ Conner (FA) from Carolina to push Romac. I think the dude can play.
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Carolina’s run defense was awful this year. They gave up 130 yards a game (to our 136). If Conner was signed on the cheap for depth I would be ok with it, but I wouldn’t count on him to replace McLame… that would be a lateral move in my opinion
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Wasn’t that team burried w/ injuries on the D?
January 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am
First job fins a d coordinator,then find us some talent for the defensive side of the balll. Oh damn, we have no draft picks, thanks hue!!
Im afraid we are going to have to trade away a few of our better players to get back into a healthy draft postion. Who has trade value? Trading any player or players is a waste if it doent bring us into the first two rounds. Who could we trade to get into the first two rounds? Well you know who gets my vote, but im dying to know what big mack does.
On a aside note, looks like miami is flirting with chip kelly, is this where RG111 WILL END UP? he is a natural fit in kellys offense, & i bet kelly offense will do very well in the pro game.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
New England traded us pick #92 (Barksdale) at the end of the 3rd round and pick #125 (Jones) at the end of the 4th round, for our mid-2nd rounder in 2012 and 7th rounder in 2011.
Not so sure about that one. We need to get some production from those two, for that not to be a flop.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Murph might get us Mr. irrelevant, tho.
I’m all for it!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
“Yes the media talks about Tebow. A ton. But most everybody I hear is bashing him.
The Herd talked about him all day on his show yesterday, and 90% of it was talking down on him. Jon Ritchie came on and dismissed it. Same with Dilfer. SVP and Rusillo blamed it on Pitt playing like crap and not Tebow.
PFT routinely mocks him and makes fun of him. The NFLN network guys mock him.”
And this mocking is why much of Americans pull for him. Yes, they know he’s super bad most of the time, but they also know that it’s purely American, not just to pull for the underdog, but to pull for the guy who has the integrity, the internal constitution, to keep going, one foot at a time, when everyone else not only doubts you, but ridicules you.
Do you realize how unusual is the person who doesn’t strike out when that’s done to him? Just keeps trying, win or fail? Doesn’t say, “I told you so,” when there are victories, fleeting or lasting?
That is why his teammates have tried to hard when he’s on the field. They know they can go three and outs times after time, but that if the game is close or not, Tebow will not stop trying.
If he weren’t a Bronco, I’d be right up there with them, cheering, even though I know full well he is so bad at so many aspects of the qb position.
I also know, after seeing him throw to spots, not to the receiver on several of those completions, and after seeing him throw sideline completions that JC couldn’t complete, that he will improve in his passing.
I wouldn’t say that this experiment with Tebow is doomed. I think he will give us trouble every time we play him unless we have not only a high powered offense but also a savvy and disciplined defense that has leadership, leadership on the sidelines and on the field.
I haven’t seen that kind of defense so long from our Raiders that I think I’d pass out if I actually saw it.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Correction: “That is why his teammates have tried *so* hard” not “too hard.”
January 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am
we have a 5th and 6th rounder, before the compensatory picks
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who cares?
We’re getting 3 comp picks, baby!
5 draft selections = 5 Pro Bowlers courtesy of “Coach” McKenzie!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Not so sure about that one. We need to get some production from those two, for that not to be a flop.
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Barksdale will probably be starting next year, and Taiwan will either be our speed backup, or possibly co-starting with Bush if DMAC is traded/gets hurt.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
How can I watch the presser?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
We’re getting 3 comp picks, baby!
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I didn’t think so earlier, but I was only factoring in Gallery, Miller and Nnamdi.
If that article is correct, and Gradkowski and Thomas Howard also count, than maybe we will get more than I originally thought.
Day 2 of the draft is the beginning of a new era!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
How many compensatory picks do we get for Al dying? That has to be worth something to the NFL.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Carolina’s run defense was awful this year. They gave up 130 yards a game (to our 136). If Conner was signed on the cheap for depth I would be ok with it, but I wouldn’t count on him to replace McLame
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BCZ referred to McClain as “McLame” ?
I’m still getting used to this.
Any ideas on how to upgrade at MLB or who to team up next to him as ILB in a 3-4 Defense?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Let’s see.
3rd and 4th round picks are far from a given, we hit one with Jacoby Ford, a kid that has proven he can play at this level and make a difference as a dangerous weapon in the return game as well as a WR and we should trade him for an unproven guy?.
I wouldn’t, I’d keep DHB, Moore and Ford as the foundation of that unit.
There will be more drafts people, next year we have a full slate except for a 2nd round pick.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Mush, What is the o/u line on how many times Al is mentioned by name at the presser?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Or we could just rely on smart free agent acquisitions and finding talent in the 3rd – 7th rounds.
Who is the 1st/2nd round home run that we have to trade good, established players for?
You guys never fail to crack me up.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Wish Mistic was JC’s agent. He might be able to con some foolish team into signing JC. Course, Jason is such a scrub he won’t wind up with any significant playing time, but we could still wind up with a low round compensatory pick for the turd.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:10 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
How many compensatory picks do we get for Al dying? That has to be worth something to the NFL.
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LMAO
January 10th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Marley, did you see Bama play last night.
That is what a well coached team looks like.
One penalty, on a kick.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am
550. 20 1/2
I take the over.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Luvmarvhub Please PLease PLEASE no more Bronco QB talk SERIOUSLY I AM GETTING SICK OF THIS SHlT!!!
I never in all of my life thought there would be so much Bronco talk on the Raiders blog its very very sickening.
People please go elsewhere to post that crap!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Marley, you never want to get rid of anyone.
Did you marry your first kiss?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
525.J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
That’s exactly how we do it Elk.
Got the season passes.
Used hotels.com though. Got a 2 room suite for 89 bucks a night at the holiday inn.
Not the MGM, but it ain’t 200 a night either, lol.
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Man…thats a good deal JHill…
Go and get you some of that Dole ice cream by the tiki room…one of the only things I buy in the park!!
That new small world things pretty nice too…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Jacoby Ford is my guess.
I think he is at a position of strength for us, and has some actual value.
Lou Murph has no value, or I would say him. I doubt we could dangle Murph for anything more than maybe moving up 10 picks in the 5th round.
I bet we could get a 3rd or 4th rounder for Ford
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McKenzie certainly wouldn’t be trying to win a popularity contest amongst fans with that move. Ford, if he can stay healthy, is our most dangerous returner and at WORST our 3rd best receiver. I would like to see a full season of him in the slot, returning kicks and punts. No question DHB and Moore have earned the right to be our starters. I wouldn’t give up Ford’s potential for a 3rd or 4th… if some sucker, or team with excess picks (NE comes to mind) gave up a 2 for him I would be ok with it though.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
“Wish Mistic was JC’s agent. He might be able to con some foolish team into signing JC. Course, Jason is such a scrub he won’t wind up with any significant playing time, but we could still wind up with a low round compensatory pick for the turd.”
If McNabb cant’t find a starting job on any of the 32 teams there is no way JC will.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Day 2 of the draft is the beginning of a new era!!!
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Agreed.
I’m counting on at least one late round gem or “steal”
January 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
All these phukkers with no trade value means we need new phukkers
January 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I think it’s day 3 for us…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Vegas.
We’re butting heads on everything nowadays uh…lol?.
But I have to say I’ve always enjoyed and respected your take.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
551.LA to TheBay Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Or we could just rely on smart free agent acquisitions and finding talent in the 3rd – 7th rounds.
Who is the 1st/2nd round home run that we have to trade good, established players for?
You guys never fail to crack me up.
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EXACTLY! Why are we trying to move up??? We got our potential stars later in the draft. Give up Ford?? You guys crazy!?!
Take every pick and put it on D. Get a little depth in free agency (nothing crazy).
Hopefully next year:
1. Our owner doesnt die
2. Our starting MLB doesnt shoot off guns
3. Our players feet dont fail em
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Marley, are you ignoring me?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
The passes have pictures on them DMAC.
You know Disney is gettin all their chips.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am
First job fins a d coordinator,then find us some talent for the defensive side of the balll. Oh damn, we have no draft picks, thanks hue!!
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Hue is responsible for giving up our 1st and 7th, AL was responsible for giving up the 3rd 4th and 5th.
Be sure you give equal credit where warranted please.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Jacoby Ford’s value as a kick returner has greatly diminshed with teams kicking it out of the back of the end zone half the time.
Not saying we have to trade him, or that I don’t like him.
Someone mentioned McKenzie potentially trading players for picks, and I think someone like Ford with a ton of potential and a cheap contract, may have the highest trade value on the team.
Guys like Routt, Seymour, TK, Boss, even Huff, don’t have any value, because nobody wants those contracts.
I bet we could get more in trade value for Shane Lechler and Jon Condo, than Tommy Kelly, Mike Huff and Louis Murphy.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
Marley, did you see Bama play last night.
That is what a well coached team looks like.
One penalty, on a kick.
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How did it work out for Nick Saban in the NFL again?.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Not well.
I actually hate Saban but you see my point, right?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Bob,
Competitive conversation is good for the mind.
Raider On
January 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Carl Weathers Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 7:06 am
I’m on the fence with a decision on Huey. If he does get the axe, I hope Al Saunders is retained as the OC and a defensive coach is brought in. If Moss is brought in I would think it’s for DC, not HC. I don’t want to go through the growing pains of another rookie HC. Get an experienced guy in here and lets work on fixing/changing the defense.
A defensive HC in Oakland! It would be the first time since Al was HC I think.
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John Madden
January 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
“Raiderbuck Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
All these phukkers with no trade value means we need new phukkers”
So phucking true!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Hue and McKenzie never met yesterday.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Finger-pointing-in-Alameda?blockID=628342&feedID=5885
January 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
BCZ referred to McClain as “McLame” ?
I’m still getting used to this.
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I have ZERO tolerance for off the field shenanigans. These guys make way too much money, and KNOW people are going to target them for a payday to put themselves in these positions. If not for the arrest I would still support Ro, better coaching can get him where he needs to be on the field. No excuse for being a damn knucklehead though.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
I do agree that we could trade one of our WRs and Kelly if we move to the 3-4.
Kelly is not a fit and we have a lot of depth at WR.
I wouldn’t expect anything higher that a 3rd for any of the guys we may trade.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
The passes have pictures on them DMAC.
You know Disney is gettin all their chips.
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My kids are mix, and I can come up w/ a plan for myself.
C’mon dude, I offered you a free trip up north on greyhound.
lol
January 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
Marley, you never want to get rid of anyone.
Did you marry your first kiss?
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I wanna get rid of Chuck Bresnahan.
I don’t want to get rid of young players who have shown they belong for unproven 3rd or 4th round picks who may or may not be able to play.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
“How did it work out for Nick Saban in the NFL again?.”
Yeah its true he didn’t do well in the pro’s but 2 titles in three years you can’t deny he is doing a fantastic job there.
In college the coach is not only your coach but GOD he can take away your scholarship and send you home to mommy and daddy. There is no one above him for a player to report to. Unlike the pro’s where you have a team full of millionaires who can cry to the owner or GM or the union about the coach.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
We traded Kirk Morrison and a 5th, for a 4th (Jacoby Ford).
Now we can trade Ford, and maybe a compensatory 3rd rounder on draft weekend, and get a mid to early 2nd.
Everything should be on the table, and at least worth kicking around, IMO.
I like Ford as a playmaker, but his return value has reduced, and his size and penchant for “dings” might limit him long-term.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Cant wait till the presser so all you speculating fools can find something else to get wrong.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am
Marley, you didn’t want to get rid of Kiffin.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If McNabb cant’t find a starting job on any of the 32 teams there is no way JC will.
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I will save Mistic the trouble… if you think McNabb is a better player today than Campbell you are out of your freakin mind. Campbell can start for 6-8 teams, and be a high quality backup for just about any team in the NFL. McNabb couldn’t get a job over Kellen Clemmons. McNabb is all done, Campbell WILL have a job next year, and the opportunity to compete for a starting gig somewhere.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Donovan McNabb is worthless.
Soup can at least give you a decent start half the time.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I like Ford as a playmaker, but his return value has reduced, and his size and penchant for “dings” might limit him long-term.
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He needs to be returning punts next season. His value at receiver has diminished with DHB looking damn good (especially late in the year) and Moore being the beast that he is. No reason for him not to be back there, he can’t be any worse at it then what we have had the last few years.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Put me down for keeping Hujack…nobody will consider the HC job with no early draft picks, even though I have a feeling McKenzie will pull a rabbit out the hat during the offseason . We have to concentrate on getting our D back in order!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Tell the big secretary chick to put some of that chicken strip money to the side and buy you some season passes. They are only 250 a piece.
Ya cheap bahhsturd!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Nobody will consider the job is FALSE.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Soup has just never learned to “let it rip”.
He has the talent to do so, but not the testicular fortitude.
Good dude though and I will thank him for his services.
But they are no longer needed.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
No reason for him not to be back there, he can’t be any worse at it then what we have had the last few years.
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Co-sign.
I am just resigned to hope we can get a guy who can consistantly fair-catch the short punts and not let them role for 15 yards every weekend, and would be happy with an average 6 yards a punt.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
The case for pryor
Tebow has exposed the fraudulent notion that running qbs cant win in the nfl. The read option is terrorizing the nfl, much like the so called wild cat did a couple of years ago. the wild cat eventually failed because it robs the offense of a legit passing threat, unlike the read option. The NFL should have done this years ago. Can you imagine a guy like KORDELL STEWART, running this offense? or maybe steve mcnair, or vince young? the titans had chris johnson and vy, both of whom excelled in college in zone read spread attacks, but the stubborn nfl wanted to forces them into a so called pro system. Johnson thrived vy struggled at times, and it didnt utilize one of his best attributes, the ability to run.
People also point to cam newton, but cam isnt really running as pure of an spread option as tebow. Cam is in a pass first spread, where they mix in a few read options. he is mostly in shot gun but not as much as tebow.
For pryor i would run something closer to what we see from tebow. However my ideal plan for pryor based on his skill set and the skill players on offense would be the option game that they run at air force. air force runs a triple option that starts with the full back. This would really make marcel reece a major focal point, as he has already put teams on notice that he is a major threat on the full back dive. They also use the ghost reverse motion, this would force teams to run up to the los or hold their position, because moore ford dhb, and murph have all proven to be very dangerous on the reverse. Still the defense must consider dmac or jones or both when all three backs are on the field, dmac and jones ability to catch screens also keeps the defense in base formations, and up near the line. Your qb is threat to run on every snap in this offense and much like we saw with the steelers you will have safeties flying up to the line opening deep passing lanes.
You can also drop into shotgun and run read option like tebow, but for our team because of the speed in the back field and at receiver i would use the jet sweep option game like you see at clemson and west virginia. Plenty of bubble screens and qb draw plays, would confound the defense.
The possibilities are endless. Once and for all we know that the old theory that nfl defenses are too fast for option to work is false. This offense forces the defense to be vanilla on every snap, and doesnt allow for exotic zones or pressure packages, and above all else attacks a team mentally as much as it does physically. NFL defenders will have a very difficult time overriding their instincts to follow the ball carrier, or the person they believe has the ball. With our team speed one false step by a d end, or safety or line backer can mean 6 points.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
578.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
The passes have pictures on them DMAC.
You know Disney is gettin all their chips.
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My kids are mix, and I can come up w/ a plan for myself.
C’mon dude, I offered you a free trip up north on greyhound.
lol
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Man…I cant even let me BROTHER use mine. Have to take some high-def pictures (use the professionals around the park as your close-up). Picture comes up on their screen everytime you enter…no picture on the card itself…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
KNBR radio just reported that Hue will be in attendance at the presser today and that he will remain head coach.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 9:59 am
First job fins a d coordinator,then find us some talent for the defensive side of the balll. Oh damn, we have no draft picks, thanks hue!!
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Hue is responsible for giving up our 1st and 7th, AL was responsible for giving up the 3rd 4th and 5th.
Be sure you give equal credit where warranted please.
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I am particularly concerned about the first two rounds of the draft, not having a first rounder this year is on hue
January 10th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Glo doesn’t have a chance in heck of starting for any team next year.
Cleveland will draft a QB for sure.
Miami is not benching Moore for Glo.
He might as well come back to Oakland and backup Pryor.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Tell the big secretary chick to put some of that chicken strip money to the side and buy you some season passes. They are only 250 a piece.
Ya cheap bahhsturd!
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Hey! Take it easy brother!
lol
January 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
If Terrell Pryor has the heart as Tebow, he can have a chance.
Tebow, if he misses, he often misses it in the dirt. He throws a forkball Bob Welch would be jealous of.
Pryor misses high when he misses, and that leads to INT’s.
Because of that, he will actually have to be more accurate than Tebow.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Heres a thought… Trade Pryor to the Donkeys for a pick. He could back up Tebow without the need for have 2 seperate playbooks and offensive philosophies… Even if we only get the 3rd we paid for him back, just spitballing.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am
How many compensatory picks do we get for Al dying? That has to be worth something to the NFL.
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DMN,
after careful review … the NFL has considered your request and decided to strip away any comp picks Oakland was to receive in the 2012 NFL Draft
January 10th, 2012 at 10:36 am
What Ford gives us on the return game is a bonus…not why I would keep him. Besides Run-DMC Fords the most dangerous player we have. He runs the reverse the best and can make a short slant turn into a big play. And the plus is he has hands!! A 4.3 guy that can catch?!? Imagine him in NE as the new Welker.
We need to make him that here!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Cliff Avril, unrestricted free agent DE from Detroit is 6′3, 260 lbs. I wonder if he could line up @ rush LB in a 3-4 alignment. . .
Also remember Wolf’s eval of Reggie McKenzie’s skill set; he can tell who can play & who can’t. So let’s see what he can do in later rounds. . .
One thing about trading a WR in his second year going into his third; even though the NFL was bereft of a regular offseason this is where Jacoby Ford (along with Denarious Moore & DHB) will really make strides as a WR. BTW; expect a new WR coach as well. . .Sanjay is an Al guy. . .
The only move I would even contemplate would be to trade DMAC if the Raiders can get @ least a #1 & @ 2 (the one would based on performance). . .you only have to find one taker. . .
January 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I am particularly concerned about the first two rounds of the draft, not having a first rounder this year is on hue
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Who would you draft with that one pick.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
#599
Good food for thought.
Denver would probably have the biggest need for Pryor over any other team in the NFL.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
ElkGRaider Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
578.DMAC Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
The passes have pictures on them DMAC.
You know Disney is gettin all their chips.
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My kids are mix, and I can come up w/ a plan for myself.
C’mon dude, I offered you a free trip up north on greyhound.
lol
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Man…I cant even let me BROTHER use mine. Have to take some high-def pictures (use the professionals around the park as your close-up). Picture comes up on their screen everytime you enter…no picture on the card itself…
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Damn. Thats some high-tec schit right there.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
” if you think McNabb is a better player today than Campbell you are out of your freakin mind. Campbell can start for 6-8 teams, and be a high quality backup for just about any team in the NFL. McNabb couldn’t get a job over Kellen Clemmons. McNabb is all done, Campbell WILL have a job next year, and the opportunity to compete for a starting gig somewhere.”
Never once did I say that McNabb was a better player nor was I comparing them. I did not say he was starting material either. I said that he did not even get a sniff from any of the 32 teams not even as a backup.
There is just not many places for JC to go except as a backup because the teams that need a QB the most will be drafting one in April and the way Andy Dalton and Newton played they will have high expectations for a rookie QB coming out of the next draft.
My prediction is that JC will remain as our backup thus giving Mystic1 another year to opine for him.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
We would be crazy to trade Pryor.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Soup has just never learned to “let it rip”.
He has the talent to do so, but not the testicular fortitude.
Good dude though and I will thank him for his services.
But they are no longer needed.
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lol JFB I’m not so sure that Campbell wouldn’t be a good backup to CP
it could work. No controversy. Players will know there won’t be much a drop off from one to the other.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:39 am
WHO WILL INTRODUCE MR. MCKENZIE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Raider Nation-Station
NEW!~ 01-10-12: UNDER NEW MANAGEMENT
New GM Reggie McKenzie comes on board today but will Hue stay?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/ones_to_watch
January 10th, 2012 at 10:39 am
No matter what the future holds for jc, YOU CANT ERASE WHAT HE DID HERE!!!! If he never plays another down in the nfl he will be credited for making us winners, and turning around a dying franchise, with his 12-7 record. he will be credited for rock solid play, an undefeated division record, and snapping the streak of losing seasons. he also breaks the chain of poor qb play we have suffered through for the last 8 -9 years.
If trashing him makes you feel better fine, but HE OWNED YOU WHEN HE WAS HERE, AND NOTHING YOU TYPE HERE WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT
January 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
WHO WILL INTRODUCE MR. MCKENZIE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ?
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The honorary Mr. John Herrera
January 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
I don’t think my post made it up: a few minutes ago, KNBR, sports radio station of the Bay Area, reported that Hue will be in attendance at the Reggie introduction and that Hue will indeed be the head coach next year.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am
The only move I would even contemplate would be to trade DMAC if the Raiders can get @ least a #1 & @ 2 (the one would based on performance). . .you only have to find one taker. . .
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Man…you guys are on point today. Only trade I would make…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am
My prediction is that JC will remain as our backup thus giving Mystic1 another year to opine for him.
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I am not so sure I could handle that
January 10th, 2012 at 10:42 am
“I am particularly concerned about the first two rounds of the draft, not having a first rounder this year is on hue”
We did not have a 1st rounder last year because Al traded it for Seymour and how did we do in last years draft?
THANK YOU for playing!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
“WHO WILL INTRODUCE MR. MCKENZIE AT THE PRESS CONFERENCE ?
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The honorary Mr. John Herrera”
I was going to say that!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Media News Group ‘contemplating’ whether
to retain Steve Corkran
1 Hour ago
January 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Dr. Hunter S. Thompson Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Nobody will consider the job is FALSE
Bad choice of words on my part doc….they will be apprehensive
January 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am
hue fired per schefter
January 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Yeah, DMac
Trillion dollar monopolies like Disneyland are not going to fall for the ole sold me your season pass trick.
I know that my work at the Oakland county fair, but you gotta step your game up in So Cal.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Wow. Get this ESPN has just announced that the RAiders have FIRED Hue Jackson, the exact opposite of what KNBR just reported.
In fact, I am listening to KNBR right now–first they said he was staying, now they say Adam Sheffter (sp?)says he’s fired.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
FIRED!!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Would be really tough for us to keep JC. The first game Palmer has two picks people will start remembering the conservative JC. Would love to have him (because I know Palmers the only one that could win us a title) but would be tough politically…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hue just got fired
January 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Its so funny reading Mystic1 posts I almost feel sorry for the pathetic old man.
He wakes up everyday angry at Palmer and desperately wishing upon a star that JC can somehow be our starting QB again.
Go rub a lamp and hope a genie comes out….better yet go rub one out to your favorite picture of JC in the locker room.
really its getting old….its like the OJ trial 2 years later and we are sick of hearing about it over and over and over again!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Just say fired baby. Ouch
January 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If trashing him makes you feel better fine, but HE OWNED YOU WHEN HE WAS HERE, AND NOTHING YOU TYPE HERE WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT
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We missed the playoffs both years with him, and he got benched for Bruce Gradkowski one season and IR’d a month and a half into the next.
These are facts that won’t go at the top of Soup’s resume.
The best thing he ever did for us was those pre-lockout camps out in BFE.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
BSPN is reporting Hue flunked his “interview.” Hue is out. . .hue is out. . .
Wonder if Carson Palmer will be following. . .
January 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Confirmed on Sirius, Hue axed.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Maybe Hollywood will make another hobbit movie
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
KCBS Just Announced! HUE IS FIRED!!!!!!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Wow…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hue canned, just like I ordered.
Now its GRUDEN time, McKenzie.
Do the right thing and received an unlimited access pass on the Reggae Party Boast.
Keep in mind that’s only for entry, shrimp cocktails and margaritas are extra.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Carson Palmer, Al Saunders, and especially Darrius Heyward-Bey who had just seemed to find his stride in the Raiders offense. Hopefully that’s just a sign of Heyward-Bey getting better, not him learning the system.
Carson Palmer is a pro and can learn a new offense if he has to. He has a couple times before. But will he be more or less effective?
Retaining Al Saunders as OC and giving him playcalling duties might be the best case scenario. Unless, of course, the Raiders hire Joe Philbin.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Lol at Schefter scoping all the locals again.
How does the localradio station mess that up?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
KNBR radio just reported that Hue will be in attendance at the presser today and that he will remain head coach
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Marv,
pretty much what I expect. the press conf wont reveal any “breaking news”.
Just that he’s greatful to be a part of this organization and that he’s determined to turn it around. He’ll talk about the Raiders of the past and the legacy left by Al Davis. He’ll talk about what it was like playing for the Raiders (4 years) after being drafted in RD10 outta Tennessee. He’ll say that the Raiders are in good hands with Mark Davis & Amy Trask. He might give props to John Madden and/or Ron Wolf. Talk about some of his previous experience from Green Bay upper management and how it prepared him for this gig.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Obviously.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
LOL
I told you fools!!!
Lot’s of quality semi-pro’s way off on Hue Jackson.
Can’t bullshat a bullshater I say.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
IF (and I’m saying if) this is true, Reggie really does want to bring in either Moss or his own guy.
Whatever. In Reggie We Trust.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am
My prediction is that JC will remain as our backup thus giving Mystic1 another year to opine for him.
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I am not so sure I could handle that
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you guys under estimate jc’s competitive nature. I cant see him staying unless he thinks he will get a fair shot in open competition for starting. There is no way he wants to back up an inferior player like palmer.
He will ove on and it is the right thing to do. palmer didnt even have to earn it he was handed the keys in the middle of the night in a backdoor deal by hue jack, and i doubt that Jc is willing to let that go. Instead he will take his talent elsewhere and await the chance to punish the raiders head to head
January 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Rockstar, guess KNBR, the sports leader, missed that one! LOL.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Alex7,
I guess contract extending negotiations hit a snag?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
We would be crazy to trade Pryor
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Exactly, Jhill.
I don’t think BCZ was serious about trading him to Denver. I hope not, anyways
January 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Reggie McKenzie era starts off on the right foot, baby. Do work Reggie Mac!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Would be very interested in knowing if the two of them sat down and talked at length or if the decision was made after Reggie talked to Trask, Madden, and others, or if, given carte blache when hired as GM, Reggie had already decided to go with his own guy.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
No way…Hue fired that quick??
January 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Forrest Hump,
Guess saying “you were already right” yesterday, was a tad premature?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
But I’ll tell you what – for those of you who are disappointed? THIS IS WHY A GM WAS BROUGHT IN. If you wanted to keep Hue Jackson at all costs? Then we might as well have Al Davis back as the GM.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
AXE TIME
January 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Hue Jackson was an embaressment to the NFL coaching fraternity.
12 year old Madden geeks have better clock management skills.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
This sem pro called it. it was a easy one
January 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
J Hill Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Lol at Schefter scoping all the locals again.
How does the localradio station mess that up?
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Not just radio. Tafur, Gutierrez, Jerry McDonald, Wofford… they all swung and missed.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
ESPN website just a few minutes ago didn’t have any details, only that Shefter said “a league source” told him Hue was fired.
KNBR announcers are saying they don’t think Shefter would have reported it unless he believed it was true.
?????? I don’t know.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
MistaBrown Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Hue has been quiet as a mouse since McKenzie came on. Probably hasn’t unzipped and waved it around in days.
MistaBrown Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
PeymourGlenn666,
Why are you worried about another mans dikk on a sports blog?
FK’ng homo!
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This cannot be real. Jamista is the stupidest most hypocritical POS ever invented like Mistress Biotchy. This is some made up fabrication that comes here just to make idiotic posts.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:52 am
IS MOSS THE NEW MAN OR DO THEY HAVE TO GO THROUGH THE MOTIONS ?
January 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
you guys under estimate jc’s competitive nature. I cant see him staying unless he thinks he will get a fair shot in open competition for starting. There is no way he wants to back up an inferior player like palmer.
He will ove on and it is the right thing to do. palmer didnt even have to earn it he was handed the keys in the middle of the night in a backdoor deal by hue jack, and i doubt that Jc is willing to let that go. Instead he will take his talent elsewhere and await the chance to punish the raiders head to head
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Are you saying that JC earned his starting gig in training camp last year? Or were the keys handed to him? I really hope that JC stays and competes with Palmer.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If trashing him makes you feel better fine, but HE OWNED YOU WHEN HE WAS HERE, AND NOTHING YOU TYPE HERE WILL EVER CHANGE THAT FACT
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We missed the playoffs both years with him, and he got benched for Bruce Gradkowski one season and IR’d a month and a half into the next.
These are facts that won’t go at the top of Soup’s resume.
The best thing he ever did for us was those pre-lockout camps out in BF
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none of this can take away all of the positive things he did here in oakland. You know it that is why you have to try and find any thing you can to make it seem as though he some how failed.
sorry jfb the fats remain he owned you and all of the haters while here
January 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
That comcast report this weekend was the ultimate whiff.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Well, back to 4-5 wins next season, this GM better know wtf he is doing. He better have someone better in mind. From the names I have heard he doesn’t….smh….here we go again
January 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
new post!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
YOUNGAMERICAN POST-649,I AGREE.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Not sure why anyone would be disappointed that the NEW REGIME is going with HIS guy as HC and avoiding a lame duck scenario.
January 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I call bullschit. Why would you fire a guy before your presser? To get a ton of questions?
Only way I see it is if Hue really did want all the power and he gave an ultimatum…
January 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
The rebuilding begins!
January 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Hue Fired
January 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
My guess:
The void left by Al showed the front office people and their advisors (and I’d say that Trask and Madden were keys) that Hue had personality traits they didn’t want in a head coach.
With more experience at what it takes to be a head coach, those traits might have been modulated in time, but the bluster, I think, cost him–bluster he didn’t back up in the McClain case.
Expect McClain to lose his job. Maybe become a second stringer or traded (although who, after watching film, would want him?)
I loved Hue’s imagination on offense. Maybe he just wasn’t ready for head coaching duties, but I get the feeling we’re going to get someone else with no head coaching experience.
January 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
So what is Denver going to do when Tebow gets his knee blown out in a game? They gonna have Brady Quinn run the read option? Are they gonna just miraculously switch their entire offensive philosophy in the middle of a game to the Orton offense?
This thing with Tebow can’t last..it can only last as long as it takes him to get hurt or defenses figure out a way to stop it. Denver can’t start drafting guys based on this ‘read option’ nonsense because they have the only QB in the AFC that can actually run this thing. Tebow goes down, that’s it. He ain’t going to last running around like this. Dude is going to get broken and defenses are going to adjust.
January 10th, 2012 at 11:06 am
RaiderTiv Says:
January 10th, 2012 at 7:00 am
I have no idea why Raider Fan’s are calling for Hue’s firing.
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Because the team did not improve it’s record. In fact the team did not improve as the season went on. Even tho the team had better talent. The teams record got worse in the division. The team went 1-4 down the stretch when it needed to win and should have been 0-5. The offense that everyone here thinks is so great actually went WAY down in points, mainly because Jackson kept settling for field goals. The defense never improved and actually got worse. The offense went almost a third of the season without scoring points in the fourth quarter. Penalties and disorganization on the field went higher. Hue repeatedly wrote checks his ass couldn’t cash. Do you want me to keep going?
January 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
KNBR announcer just said he thinks Ken Herock had a lot to say about this.
January 10th, 2012 at 11:09 am
You wanted to rebuild? Looks like you got your wishes.
Get ready for the return to mediocrity for 3 years.
Unreal. Totally Sucks. Like the Packers Defense is even any good. They give up MASS points.
Blows.
Why would you fire Hue. Bull!sht!
January 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Couple things:
We’re all wondering about Hue staying or going, but we have some even more major questions in my opinion (as I’ve stated I hope Hue stays):
1. McFadden: One of the premier backs, game changer, our offense is terrifying with him but he is officially injury prone.
2. Offensive line: While improved, it’s still been neglected somewhat through draft and free agency (the exceptions being Veldheer, Wiz Jr.).
3. Defense: obviously in need of energy, enthusiasm and confidence from practice to sidelines to field.
4. QB: I think Palmer did ok, but Campbell seemed to have a better rapport with the players (I read Ford and one of the other WR’s is in the guy’s wedding) and Palmer seems to be a bit fair weather when things aren’t to his liking.
I think if you can develop the offensive line Denver had in the late 90’s where they plugged in any late round pick and the guy became an all star, losing McFadden isn’t as significant a blow. But to counter, you need depth and talent along the line.
As for the defense, I’m not enamored with Green Bay’s unit, while it’s definitely better than ours (as are the defenses at MacClymonds, Oakland High and Tech) I want a truly dominant circa 2000 Ravens’ defensive unit in Oakland, one that feels 16 points from their offense is enough. To get that you pretty much need to pilfer from the Ravens. So I’m hoping McKenzie doesn’t grab Moss but instead someone who can come in here and install a defensive mindset, culture and swagger.
My gut tells me Hue understands all of the above minus the QB issue where I think he’s a little biased towards Palmer.
If he and McKenzie agree on most of the above, I think it’s best for the organization he stays.
One thing about SF: there were some good comments earlier on their situation. Harbaugh inherited an absolutely stacked defense who someone else built and some decent offensive players. They also don’t have the dominant CEO in SF we had in Oakland with Al. Add some better play calling and a motivator of men and you turn 6-10 around.
I think had Hue gone to SF, they may not have gone 13-3 but would still have won that division (yes, I know this is conjecture). It seems first year HC’s do better when one unit needs little to no tinkering and is already strong (could say the same for the other Harbaugh in Baltimore, Tomlin in Pittsburgh, etc.). So while conceivably McKenzie could go out and replace Hue, hand the reins on O to Saunders we could still compete, I personally don’t want our first year head coach replaced with another rookie HC. I’d argue Hue inherited a team where neither side was terribly strong which brings me to my final point:
Please no more rookie HC’s in the 510. I’d go so far as to say if you’re going to replace Jackson, hold out for Gruden. I get the sense he left his heart off 66th avenue and still feels a connection with this club.
I’m not convinced Cowher could replicate what he did in Pittsburgh, Parcells is done, Mariucci was never successful enough and after those I think the drop off is too severe.
A few more cents, but not quite a nickel.
-ML
January 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I don’t think Hue will go anywhere. Mckennzie will keep Hue’s head from getting bigger and he will not let Ford go. I think Ford reminds him of the guy he had on Green BAY(Cobb). They are very similar.
As far as the defenses go, 7 out of the top 10 D’s were a 3-4 scheme including Green Bay. I don’t see a lot of changes on offense but the D needs coaching changes that is for sure.
January 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
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January 10th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Well….Reggie just fired Hue Jackson according to NFL.com . Here comes another year of a new offense unless they keep Al Saunders around as OC.
January 10th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
It also metions that he is likely to hire Winston Moss and HC and Darren Perry as DC.
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