The two sides of HueJax
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, January 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Outside perceptions of Raiders coach Hue Jackson were nicely summed up by two columnists who respect each other but have dramatically different viewpoints regarding his firing.
YahooSports! Mike Silver devoted two days worth of columns on Jackson (links here and here) and the firing that he and Jackson believe came not from general manager Reggie McKenzie, but owner Mark Davis.
Jason Whitlock of Fox Sports.com is of the opinion that Jackson got exactly what he deserved.
Silver bought in on Jackson early on, and considers him a brash and charismatic leader and a gifted play-caller.
Whitlock sees Jackson as a conniver and a schemer, taking on his “subversiveness and selfishness.”
Two independent thinkers who probably agree on a lot of things. Two radically different takes.
They serve as a point and counterpoint and represent the feeling about Jackson throughout the NFL. He’s a bad guy out for himself, or just the man you want to give the organization a jolt of positive energy.
In researching a story on Jackson during training camp, I was struck the loyalty of those who were in his corner as much as I was the silence of a handful of coaches who had worked with Jackson and wanted no part of making a comment on his ascension to a head coaching job.
We saw both sides of Jackson during his two years with the Raiders, bold and brash in a good way but at times too full of himself. Jackson is smart enough and resourceful enough to get another crack at being a head coach, although he’ll probably rethink some of his tactics.
Reggie McKenzie made it clear he has no intention of going into detail on why Jackson isn’t his coach. It seems clear McKenzie talked to enough people with the Whitlock perspective to be uncomfortable with Jackson going forward.
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January 12th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
#1
January 12th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Two things I hated about Hue: his face
January 12th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
deuces
January 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Jackson prefectly personifies the Raiders.
People don’t know what to make of us and most all of them have no clue what is and isn’t true especially the professionals.
No wonder why they hate Oakland.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Either way, Jackson’s gone and a non issue for the Raiders moving forward
January 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hue is gone now.
I’m making David Shaw my number 1 candidate, go get him Reggie, he won’t be available for long.
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Here’s a story from the New York Times:
- With No. 7 Stanford awash in optimism, holding its highest preseason ranking since 1950 and the Heisman Trophy favorite Andrew Luck, Shaw has been elevated from assistant coach to one of the most intriguing positions in college football.
Can the mild-mannered Shaw keep Stanford on the path forged by his ornery predecessor, Jim Harbaugh, who left for the N.F.L. after guiding the Cardinal to a 12-1 record, including an Orange Bowl victory?.
“He won the job,” Athletic Director Bob Bowlsby said.
“He didn’t get it because he was a Stanford guy, or an African-American or because his dad coached here. He won it by articulating a vision and having passion that comes across. This guy is special and has been around a lot of great coaches.”
A few days after Shaw, 39, got the Stanford job, he had a quiet moment in his office with his father, Willie, a longtime assistant coach in college and the N.F.L.
“We closed the door and we hugged and there were tears,” Shaw said. “It was one of the best moments of my life.”
The embrace celebrated two dreams fulfilled. The tears were shed for Willie Shaw’s lost dream, which helped forge a path for David to get the head coaching job he never could.
Willie Shaw, an assistant with five colleges and seven N.F.L. teams, interviewed for five N.F.L. head coaching positions and was a finalist with Philadelphia and Kansas City.
Brian Billick, who coached with Willie Shaw at multiple stops and also coached David at Stanford, said, “It’s hard to understand now, but when you look back in that era, African-American coaches were thought of more as great position coaches and recruiters.”
Willie Shaw said he was so close to getting the Stanford head coaching job in 1992 after Dennis Green left for the N.F.L. that he had met with the university president and that a team meeting and a news conference were scheduled to announce his appointment. Green recalled that Willie was “an eyelid away.”
But the sudden availability of Bill Walsh dashed that plan. As always, Willie Shaw did not become bitter, but rather moved on to the next stop.
“If I was on the committee, I would have hired Bill Walsh over me too,” he said.
As a Stanford receiver, David earned the nickname Coach Shaw for being a stickler with the underclassmen, and he even begged Walsh to call the play — a shallow cross known as 76X — that resulted in his first touchdown.
Still, Shaw insisted that he would not follow his father into coaching, and he nearly joined an asset allocation firm after graduation. But he felt a tug.
“I wasn’t ready to put on a tie,” he said.
Shaw took a job as a graduate assistant at Western Washington in 1995, and he fondly recalled earning $7,000 a year and eating nightly dinners of $3.95 teriyaki chicken.
After his first day on the practice field, it would have taken explosives to move Shaw to another profession.
Soon, he emulated his father’s style of teaching and articulating the most minute detail.
“I saw the allure and saw that this was something that you don’t necessarily choose to do,” Shaw said. “It’s something you do and you can’t stop doing.”
Rob Smith, the Western Washington coach at the time, said Shaw did not yell, listened in meetings and connected with the players individually. He stood out by not trying to stand out.
“It wasn’t about David Shaw,” said Smith, now the coach at Humboldt State. “It was about the job and the players with David. My guess is that he hasn’t changed.”
While at Western Washington, Shaw got an internship with the Philadelphia Eagles and impressed a young assistant coach named Jon Gruden.
Wide receiver Irving Fryar unintentionally taught Shaw a valuable coaching lesson during that camp.
Shaw shook Fyrar’s hand when the internship ended and told him he was going back to college coaching. Fryar could not believe that Shaw, who had tutored him on the nuances of the West Coast offense, was only 26.
“When you speak from a position of knowledge, you get people’s respect,” Shaw said.
He eventually joined Gruden with Oakland as a quality control coach and worked his way up to quarterbacks coach for the 2001 season, which ended with the Raiders’ loss in the controversial tuck-rule game against New England.
Shaw credits Gruden for teaching him to think like a play caller, especially after Gruden berated him for failing to think through a mock game plan he had drawn up.
Gruden, now an analyst for ESPN, remembered that Shaw had a quiet swagger. During training camp in 1999, when the Raiders cut receiver Dameane Douglas, a fourth-round draft pick out of California, Gruden recalled that Shaw said: “He went to Cal. What did you expect?”
As for Shaw’s future, Gruden said:
“He’s going to do an excellent job, just as he’s done there already. David Shaw wasn’t sitting there with his mouth shut and eyes closed. He deserves a lot of credit for where Stanford is.”
In his office, Shaw has a tissue box with pictures of a smirking Rex Ryan, Shaw was an assistant with the Baltimore Ravens. Shaw and the bombastic Ryan are opposites in personality, and the tissue box is a reminder of that.
“Be yourself,” said Shaw, acknowledging that he smiles whenever he sees Ryan’s pictures.
“And when something goes wrong or crazy, it reminds me of Rex saying, ‘Do you want to take a tissue and cry?’”
Despite his composed nature, Shaw can show emotion.
When Doug Baldwin was a freshman receiver at Stanford in 2007, the trainers held him out of a practice with a hamstring injury. But Baldwin joined a one-on-one drill anyway, so Shaw stopped practice and grabbed him by the jersey.
“I won’t repeat what he said,” Baldwin recalled with a laugh. “But I got the message.”
Although Shaw, unlike Harbaugh, is selective in showing his intensity, no one doubts his passion.
“The packages are different,” Bowlsby, the athletic director, said of Shaw and Harbaugh, “but the contents are the same.”
As Stanford’s offensive coordinator, Shaw worked closely with Luck, the starting quarterback since 2009.
Comparing his new coach with Harbaugh, Luck said Shaw would be a “little less eccentric and maybe a little less polarizing than the guy we had before.”
The former quarterback Rich Gannon, who had Shaw and Harbaugh as N.F.L. position coaches, said he did not expect any drop-off with Shaw in charge.
“I think the one guy who is really going to benefit is the quarterback,” Gannon said. “One thing David really does well is knowing what the quarterback needs.”
“David’s personality is what you see,” Kori Shaw said. “That’s how he is all the time. When something is exciting, he’ll say, ‘I’m excited.’ But not excitedly.”
Kori Shaw loves Stanford as much as David does. She has degrees in mechanical engineering, a bachelor’s from M.I.T. and a master’s from California.
On the side, she has studied Chinese, and in April she traveled to China to test her linguistic skills. Recently, she decided to spend more time with their three children: Keegan, 8, Carter, 6, and Gavin, 1 ½. A self-described closet nerd, Kori Shaw had worked as a model and at various Internet start-ups.
“In the football vernacular,” Bowlsby said, “David outkicked his coverage.”
Shaw has changed little since they met, his wife said, although he no longer has his pet snake, named Sade after his favorite singer, and rarely suggests Jack in the Box for dinner anymore. He is comfortable looking at sculptures in the Prado in Madrid, as he did on a family vacation this summer, and voraciously reading presidential biographies.
“He’s the kind of person,” she said, “when no one is looking he’ll still do the right thing.”
January 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Absolute must win game: Palmer 28 of 43, 417 yards one pick. 65+ % completion percentage, not quite 10 yards per attempt. Sounds like a winner to me.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
All hat and no cattle
January 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
And yes, I will repost it and talk about David Shaw until we hire him or someone else.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/12/could-carson-palmer-decide-to-quit-again/
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Don’t quite get how he got away with quitting in Cincy myself. Vince Young has been labeled a quitter because he walked out of a meeting. What a joke!
January 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Hue Jackson was fired by Ron Wolf & John Madden.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Enough about David Shaw. He’s too green right now.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
“Reggie McKenzie made it clear he has no intention of going into detail on why Jackson isn’t his coach. It seems clear McKenzie talked to enough people with the Whitlock perspective to be comfortable with Jackson going forward.”
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Maybe. Or maybe he liked Mark’s idea of destroying everything Davis did for 60 years and building whatever he wanted.
Who wouldn’t want a blank check to build your own team?
You never heard one word from Checkers about restoring Raider dominance, carrying on the fine Davis tradition or even the word “Al” come out of his bulldog jowls.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
13. In fact, did he mention Packers West?
January 12th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Who here doesn’t believe Hue Jackson’s fate wasn’t discussed with Ron wolf & John Madden?
January 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Get David Shaw in here now!
Winston Moss as DC and we are set.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
#10.
Raider Nation Station had an article that said the media is lost when reporting about Oakland.
Haven’t figured out who to hate yet with Al finally gone.
January 12th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Wow, fantastic article by Whitlock. He nailed it.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
11.KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Hue Jackson was fired by Ron Wolf & John Madden.
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Why am I not surprised that Hue might have rubbed these old farts the wrong way?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
yo
January 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
15. Hue Jax was history the moment Mac showed interest. Period.
Had very little to do with injuries, w-l, or media debacles.
He was a dead man walking buz Reg wants who ever he decides on.
Understandable.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Man I wish our new GM would just come in and give Al his due regard and run the team just like Al did! It worked didn’t it? So what if the last time we won the SB the chart topper was Every Breath You Take by the Police and Terms of Endearment won the Oscar, and Walkman radios were still cool!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hue Jackson failed, point blank.
He undermined the head coach in 2010, and took as much credit for the offense and distanced himself from anything negative from that team as he took the HC job.
Maybe he deserved most if not all the credit, but as a HC, he didn’t improve anything, and while Al clearly untrusted him a ton of credit on his deathbed, Hue proved not to be trustworthy and a snake in the grass when given the ultimate test.
I hope he tears his rotator cuff patting himself on the back, on the way out the door.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Funny how instead of unity after the death of Lightning rod Davis we have the exact same dynamic and factional split.
LOoooved Hue or the polar opposite.
Few “Yeah, hes a decent guy.”
January 12th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
1068.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
The same people who are thrashing Palmer now are the ones who dissapeared for a few weeks during our winning streak…they don’t give an alternative to Palmer because They Do t have one… its only the hatred they have for Palmer… except debo. . He nominates jablubber to make his awesome comeback to the silver n black..Lmao. .
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The operative word in your idiotic post is “few” sheep. In case you forgot, he lost more games than he won and threw more picks than TDs. And if I remember right, your dumb ass started screaming about going to the Super Bowl the day the trade was announced. What a Koolaid-drinking clown.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
The operative word in your idiotic post is “few” sheep. In case you forgot, he lost more games than he won and threw more picks than TDs. And if I remember right, your dumb ass started screaming about going to the Super Bowl the day the trade was announced. What a Koolaid-drinking clown.
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Yep.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
Enough about David Shaw. He’s too green right now.
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Says who?.
David Shaw at 39, has more NFL Coaching experience than Jim Harbaugh did when hired in SF.
Shaw has coached in the NFL for 9 years, Harbaugh coached for 2, in fact David Shaw was the Raiders QB Coach before Jim Harbaugh.
Harbaugh had more College experience as HC, but that’s it.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
23. That post is bologna or “blogna” if you will. Steve, you CAN steal that one.
U even contradict YOURSELF in it.
Sheesh.
“Undermined Cable”?!
C’mon…I know you’re just repeating stuff U reasd but seriously, think about it. Cable’s shat O output and propensity for beating people about the head and shoulders is likely a lil more responsible than Hue back stabbing.
None of that back stabbing means squat unless you can produce better than the joker you;’re trying to replace.
Unless you’re Lane Kiffin…
Hue was not fired based on performance.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
You dont know very much about football do you? You dont need to have the qb run often, a handful of called runs will do the job in the spread option. Just enough to present a threat keep the defense in base formation and open passing lanes. Cam doesnt have run plays called 15 times a game, only 3-4 times a game. That way when he puts the ball i the running backs belly the defense must honor the fact that cam might keep it. most of cams running yards are scrambling yards.
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Ooooooooooooh…so they only run “3-4″ times a game. We just want them to be a thrrrrrrrrreeeeeat to run. I see. Im sure defenses wont adjust to THAT awe inspiring offense…
Sarcasm…obviously (anybody else gonna miss saying that word?).
January 12th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Hue was not fired based on performance.
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If he was going to be fired that is exactly the reason.He went 1-4 after leading the division with a 7-4 record to start the year.Don’t you think the old man might have also fired him for that reason alone.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
The team was clearly going in the wrong direction at the end of the year.
That is a reflection on the head coach.
So are penalties and game/clock management, in which we were also historically awful.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
1063.hwnrdr Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
I hate to say it but I held my breath everytime Campbell dropped back to pass as well…
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And when he threw the ball down field, when he attempted to slide, when he went to the huddle…
January 12th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
It was reported many times during the year Madden was not the least impressed by HJ.KK is probably correct,neither Madden nor Wolfe endorsed HJ and that played a part in him being released.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
@Just Fire Baby
How much of a mitigating factor was Bres’s defense in Hue’s “Failure.” No disrespect, really want to hear your opinion.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
.KK is probably correct,neither Madden nor Wolfe endorsed HJ and that played a part in him being released.
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The only thing that “played a part” was common sense.
Hue had to go.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
.KK is probably correct,neither Madden nor Wolfe endorsed HJ and that played a part in him being released.
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The only thing that “played a part” was common sense.
Hue had to go.
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That is your opinion and the last time I checked Mark was listening to Madden and Wolfe.I don’t recall him listening to your opinion.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Dutch,
I think Chuck B is a below average DC, but he is playing Al’s defense, which has performed a lot better in years past.
I think the 2011 defense’s problem a majority of the times, was clearly discipline and effort. That is a reflection on the entire coaching staff, starting first and foremost with the HC.
Our MLB is shooting guns in people’s ears, jogging around the field half the time, and ditching out on practice.
Hue had a chance to back up his teammates who I AM SURE wanted that little punk discplined, and Hue went and painted his toe nails.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
And he’ll get better next year with a professional training program that should get him in top shape and a full off-season to work with his WR’s.
Don’t forget he was in his couch in week 6 of last season.
You know who could help Palmer too?.
David Shaw.
Rich Gannon said: “One thing David really does well is knowing what the quarterback needs.”
January 12th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
There’s a new sheriff in town and his name is Reggie Mckenzie
January 12th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
I’m on board with David Shaw.
Todd Bowles is a very interesting option, as well.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
I do not think you can argue that with a good DC, and a healthy stable of playmakers and Palmer at QB, Hue could have taken this team to 11-5 and won the division next year.
But you can’t possibly believe that Hue Jackson would have been a happy guy after being demoted from King Hue to just plain Head Coach Hue again. He got a taste of the power, and he CLEARLY wanted to keep it. It would have been a cancerous relationship between the HC and the front office.
Haven’t we had enough of that already?
Hue had to go.
Now, with all that being said, you guys really don’t think there are coaches the caliber of Hue Jackson out there right now that could do the same thing with a healthy stable of playmakers, Carson Palmer and a legit DC?
Come on, Hue was okay, but certainly not irreplaceable.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I dont care if the coach we get is a “name” or makes us feel good.
I want to win. Period.
If Bowles is that guy… so be it. Moss.. etc.. Just. Win.
..Baby
January 12th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
speaking of buyout clauses;
Corkran stated yesterday the Raiders have out clauses on Wimbley, Huff, & McClain; Raiders need to implement those if there are no trade partners or restructured contracts.
As for Seymour, Routt, & Kelley we do not have any out clauses.
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sweet!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
38.Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
And he’ll get better next year with a professional training program that should get him in top shape and a full off-season to work with his WR’s.
Don’t forget he was in his couch in week 6 of last season.
You know who could help Palmer too?.
David Shaw.
Rich Gannon said: “One thing David really does well is knowing what the quarterback needs.”
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Dude, you act like this guy is in his 2nd or 3rd year or something. Won’t he be going into his 10th year?? Everyone needs to get off this “full offseason” crap. What we saw from Palmer this year is exactly what he showed us in 2010. Empty passing-yard stats, way too many picks and very little in the way of winning. You could give the guy 100 offseasons and I’d still expect the same thing in 2012. So far, he’s been a downgrade from Jason Campbell. Fact.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Bob, what this organization needs, is a new age defensive philosophy.
McKenzie, IMO, is going to bring a defensive guy aboard, and hire a good young OC to work with Carson, Pryor and maybe a draft pick.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Hue was not fired based on performance.
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If he was going to be fired that is exactly the reason.He went 1-4 after leading the division with a 7-4 record to start the year.Don’t you think the old man might have also fired him for that reason alone.
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Listen to the presser. Mark and Checkers both say injuries the D had a hand in Hues failing they also said we lost 4 out of 5 and that that was NOT the reason Hue was fired.
He was fired cuz the new GM wants “his guys” and no I do not think Davis would;ve fired Hue at the end of this year.
Gruden was 8-8 his first 2 yrs.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
45. I think once the purging begins most people who were Al guys are GONE.
That means Pryor too…
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Silver strikes me as an interesting cat. Excellent writer and insightful, but someone who seems to pass judgement quickly and will lean heavily with that ‘opinion’ in his articles and commentary. The dealings with the Raiders are the best example. Banned from team HQ apparently for calling-out Al Davis for his ego and mismanagement (which were right on point by the way) and now he chooses to write an article about his son Mark which borders on inappropriate in my mind. Embarrassing Mark Davis by citing unnamed sources to support his article is one thing, doing so when the source is probably HueJax himself is and will always be a red flag.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
So far, he’s been a downgrade from Jason Campbell. Fact.
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Yes, I will give you that.
But I will bet you that Carson’s second year in Oakland will be a helluva lot more productive than Soup’s.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Gruden’s OC took us to the Super Bowl with the same team.
So should we look at Al Saunders??
Using that logic..
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Jackson is smart enough and resourceful enough to get another crack at being a head coach – Jerry Mac
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Exactly the sort of crap that got Jer demoted from blog pimp. How lame is that? A new post that basically says “check out what other journalists think about Hue Jackson!” isn’t that YOUR friggin job, idiot?
Where is Cork when you need him?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
It is what it is. Jackson promised but didn’t achieve. I thought we’d blown it before the last game – but when Denver lost and we knew it before our game was finished we blew it again – at home! Utter despair. Were the players unfit/pissed from NYE/didn’t give a sh*t.
Leave Reggie alone, let him get on with things. Maybe his twin brother Ronnie will help, I’m not sure (London Kray boys).
January 12th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
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Based on what, Bob?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I think once the purging begins most people who were Al guys are GONE.
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Ole,
no more Hiram Eugene or CJ37?
say it isn’t so!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
Enough about David Shaw. He’s too green right now.
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Says who?.
David Shaw at 39, has more NFL Coaching experience than Jim Harbaugh did when hired in SF.
Shaw has coached in the NFL for 9 years, Harbaugh coached for 2, in fact David Shaw was the Raiders QB Coach before Jim Harbaugh.
Harbaugh had more College experience as HC, but that’s it.
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And Shaw has ONE year of HC experience, that coming with Harbaugh’s awesome team and assistants.
Shaw’s never been an OC at the pro level.
Shaw may be a good one. Or may not. We just don’t know right now.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
51.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Jackson is smart enough and resourceful enough to get another crack at being a head coach – Jerry Mac
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Exactly the sort of crap that got Jer demoted from blog pimp. How lame is that? A new post that basically says “check out what other journalists think about Hue Jackson!” isn’t that YOUR friggin job, idiot?
Where is Cork when you need him?
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Lay off Jer, at least he posted something before we got to 2k comments!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
At the press conf. it was also said he probably wouldn’t have been fired had we made the play-offs.We will never know if the old man would have retained him after missing the play-offs and going 1-4 when it counted.We do know others before HJ were let go for that very reason.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raiderdebo says:
Dude, you act like this guy is in his 2nd or 3rd year or something. Won’t he be going into his 10th year?? Everyone needs to get off this “full offseason” crap. What we saw from Palmer this year is exactly what he showed us in 2010. Empty passing-yard stats, way too many picks and very little in the way of winning. You could give the guy 100 offseasons and I’d still expect the same thing in 2012. So far, he’s been a downgrade from Jason Campbell. Fact.”
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Isn’t Campbell going into his 8th season?.
What has he ever done?.
And you seriously want to argue that it’s the same for a QB to come out of his couch in week 6 than it is to have an off-season to work out and get in-synch with his WR’s?.
I get it if you don’t like Palmer, but control yourself.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hey, I was a Huge backer, but I have to admit the guy didn’t sell me. I thought he was working well with the old man. But if I’m the new Raider GM, I probably fire Huge 10 out of 10 times given the choice/circumstances RMcK had…
January 12th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Hue Jackson was fired by Ron Wolf & John Madden
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If #1 those guys were in Mark’s ear, #2 It wasn’t Reggie’s decision and #3 Mark knows nothing about football, then I assume Kell is correct!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
THE TRUTH IS MOST LIKLEY SOMEWHERE IN THE MIDDLE…
January 12th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
Bob Marley Says:
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
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Based on what, Bob?
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On my 25 years of watching football old man, the guy is a legit QB.
Feel free to disagree, you asked and I answered, I have watched a ton of football and I can tell when a guy can or can’t play, I know you’ve watched more that that, so you’re entitled to an opinion as well.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
“Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
And he’ll get better next year with a professional training program that should get him in top shape and a full off-season to work with his WR’s.
Don’t forget he was in his couch in week 6 of last season.
You know who could help Palmer too?.
David Shaw.
Rich Gannon said: “One thing David really does well is knowing what the quarterback needs.””
Great post from someone who knows football not a JaMarcus Russell sympathizer like RaiderDebbie!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Debo. .. Who do you want at qb. . You knuckle head… instead of constantly hating on Palmer. . Give other possibilities as to who should be our qb.. its very well known you think jamarcus Russell got a raw deal.. you also talked up Vince young… you are a bafoon. . Just stop it… your embarrassing yourself again debo. .. Palmer is the best qb we have and until Reggie says otherwise that’s the way its going to stay… so please. . Just shut Your pie hole!!…. kk. . That goes for you to.. you moron..
January 12th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Dakota,
Jerry Mac referring Raider bloggers over to Yahoo & Fox Sports would be like me referring patients to go to a different hospital or JFB lobbying potential clients to grab insurance elsewhere.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
666…
Is debo a girl?? … LOL.. all this time I thought it was a dude..
January 12th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
Enough about David Shaw. He’s too green right now.
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Says who?.
David Shaw at 39, has more NFL Coaching experience than Jim Harbaugh did when hired in SF.
Shaw has coached in the NFL for 9 years, Harbaugh coached for 2, in fact David Shaw was the Raiders QB Coach before Jim Harbaugh.
Harbaugh had more College experience as HC, but that’s it.
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And Shaw has ONE year of HC experience, that coming with Harbaugh’s awesome team and assistants.
Shaw’s never been an OC at the pro level.
Shaw may be a good one. Or may not. We just don’t know right now.
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Duck.
Was Harbaugh an NFL OC? nope.
I wanto to be the team to find out if Shaw is a good one or not.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Guys,like misty eyes will never accept Palmer because he’s the one who replaced j Campbell. ..
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false i will never accept any qb that throws more picks than tds, i like qbs that protect the ball it is the number one assignment for a qb
January 12th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Rome wasn’t built in a day. ’nuff said
January 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Hue Jackson couldn’t do anything without Mark Davis & Amy Trask approving.
So basically, Hue’s bosses signed off on the Palmer & Curry trades and will not give credit and/or blame to Hue Jax on those players.
Jhill echoed this and I think I will too. Palmer isn’t going anywhere. JFB thinks he’s leading us to the playoffs regardless who the new HC is and I stamp that too. Haters come and get some!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Put me down on the Whitlock side.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Bob Marley
There are some here that just don’t get it they have personal or hidden motives for hating on a Palmer that do not include logic, stats nor are they performance based.
Just because you don’t like a player because of his skin color or the way he does interviews or the troubles he had in past does not relate to how he preforms on the field.
Palmer was on his couch came in here and played good soldier did what Hue asked of him never bashed the team always took the blame and worked his ass off.
You and I are intelligent enough to know that with a full off season and camp under his belt with these young receivers he will be a top 5 QB next year.
I find it best to ignore people like KK and RaiderDebbie because they base their opinions on their own personal agenda’s not what is really happening on the field or in the locker room or in practice.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
“666…
Is debo a girl?? … LOL.. all this time I thought it was a dude..”
I think she is why else would she name herself Raider Deb
January 12th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Guys,like misty eyes will never accept Palmer because he’s the one who replaced j Campbell. ..”
You couldn’t have written a more true post!
You are 100% correct Mistic has a hidden agenda period!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I’ve been trying to get Hue Jackson on the phone. I’ve been sending him e-mails and faxes. I’ve got an open Coordinator position. Apparently Hue cares more about trying to fix his reputation than feeding his family.
-Romeo Crennel
January 12th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
You dont know very much about football do you? You dont need to have the qb run often, a handful of called runs will do the job in the spread option. Just enough to present a threat keep the defense in base formation and open passing lanes. Cam doesnt have run plays called 15 times a game, only 3-4 times a game. That way when he puts the ball i the running backs belly the defense must honor the fact that cam might keep it. most of cams running yards are scrambling yards.
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Ooooooooooooh…so they only run “3-4″ times a game. We just want them to be a thrrrrrrrrreeeeeat to run. I see. Im sure defenses wont adjust to THAT awe inspiring offense…
Sarcasm…obviously (anybody else gonna miss saying that word?).
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you are proving that you know very little. Yes numb nuts, the qb presents the threat of running. The threat of the qb running IS WAHT FORCES DEFENSES INTO A BASE FORMATION AND ELIMINATES EXOTIC ZONE COVERAGES AND PRESSURES. rewatch tebow vs the steelers.
what a moron
January 12th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Mistic… OK.then.. who do want to replace Palmer? ? I prefer Palmer over jc. . Just like I preferred jc over Russell. .. you wont give Palmer the benefit you gave jc. . Why is That? ? Palmer had no training camp or practice to speak of.. he came in on the fly.. learning his new receivers names.. let alone their tendencies as wr… why not give him a chance ?? .. I really do think your still stuck on the j Campbell story and you can’t or wont let it go.. honestly I just want the team to win.. and I believe Palmer gives us the best chance..
January 12th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
“ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Guys,like misty eyes will never accept Palmer because he’s the one who replaced j Campbell. ..”
You couldn’t have written a more true post!
You are 100% correct Mistic has a hidden agenda period!
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there is nothing hidden about it, i dont like turn over prone qbs, not grads not palmer. guys who throw lots of picks will rarely win a super bowl.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Can’t wait to see Palmer after training camp and a Preseason with a healthy ….this should be a very potent offense….
Defense needs some major reconstruction….and direction..
January 12th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I really think we should launch into a full blown Campbell vs Palmer debate here. That’d be productive….
Soup isn’t on the roster, Palmer has a guaranteed contract and we gave up all our draft picks to get him. Only choice left is for RMcK to pull a Gruden and resurrect some washout and pair him with a genius OC and QB handler….
January 12th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Gruden Gruden!
January 12th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Guys,like misty eyes will never accept Palmer because he’s the one who replaced j Campbell. ..
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false i will never accept any qb that throws more picks than tds, i like qbs that protect the ball it is the number one assignment for a qb
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You don’t like Plunkett?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
“My takeaway is that within the Raiders organization there are a lot of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies who are scared McKenzie has been given the autonomy to scrub the place clean of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies. The Al Davis-Oakland gravy train has run out of gravy and starving, beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies are crying on the laptop of the media member Al Davis despised the most, Mike Silver.”
This paragraph stood out to me.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
I’m glad Chuck B is toast in 3 days, but I venture to guess we’d make the playoffs next season even if he was retained
January 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Reggie McKenzie made it clear he has no intention of going into detail on why Jackson isn’t his coach. It seems clear McKenzie talked to enough people with the Whitlock perspective to be comfortable with Jackson going forward.
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FAIL.
Come on, Jerry Mac, McKenzie has admitted in at least two interviews including his opening press conference that Hue was not retained because Reggie wants to bring in his own guy. It’s clear and dry.
Is it SOP in the NFL? Yes.
Is it smart in this case? No.
But why does the media insist on pushing this “hidden mystery of why Hue was fired” angle. Hue was fired because Reggie McKenzie wants a guy he knows and has a personal comfort level with running this team. Why is that fact unable to penetrate these writers’ heads? It’s not quantum physics.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
83.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
“My takeaway is that within the Raiders organization there are a lot of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies who are scared McKenzie has been given the autonomy to scrub the place clean of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies. The Al Davis-Oakland gravy train has run out of gravy and starving, beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies are crying on the laptop of the media member Al Davis despised the most, Mike Silver.”
This paragraph stood out to me.
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Me too….and it made me smile.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
“JLofty Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
I really think we should launch into a full blown Campbell vs Palmer debate here. That’d be productive….
Soup isn’t on the roster, Palmer has a guaranteed contract and we gave up all our draft picks to get him. Only choice left is for RMcK to pull a Gruden and resurrect some washout and pair him with a genius OC and QB handler….”
This only happens when Mistic is in here otherwise most of us are intelligent enough to see this!
the guy has a hidden agenda he hates Palmer and has a serious man crush on Jason Campbell I think he is actually JC’s girlfriend secretly logging in as a demented fan.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I won’t get into prospective coaches yet, as I’m still in shock at the change.
With respects to Hue playing McClain in Miami:
When looking at the drop off in our already weak D when Blackstock replaced him, I understand why Hue went with McClain as he probably felt having his starting MLB in there gave the team the best chance to win. Had we won that game: Hue made a great call. But we didn’t.
On the Silver article:
First off: it’s yahoo sports. Anyone ever checked yahoo news? It’s the National Enquirer of the internet. So considering the source, my expectations are low. But I will say the guy is a Raiders fan, had our back most of the season, he’s a Cal fan and an overall east bay fan. So he, like some of the fans on this blog may be a little chapped himself with what’s going down and is expressing just a little bit.
Palmer versus Campbell:
I think Palmer’s a strong QB, and could do well with a stout defense, strong O-line and dynamic rushing attack. But Campbell has a few times lead this team to 30+ points and has lead us from behind (only to turn it over to our defense and watch them give it up).
Oakland versus LA:
The thing that bugs me most about this is the Raiders complaining they can’t make money because they don’t have an up to date stadium. The one they play in currently was remodeled with their input and sign off and our (Alameda county’s) tax dollars. The reason the Raiders don’t make money is they’ve sucked for a decade. At some point this organization needs to fess up to the fact they’ve put a crap product on the field since Gannon went down against TB. Same thing with Wolff and the A’s-it’s a simple formula: win and people come.
And no disrespect to Mark, but he’s a wild card, and the Spanos are a known commodity and group, if I’m LA I want to deal with the club who has the track record and go for the Chargers.
My 2 cents.
January 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
“My takeaway is that within the Raiders organization there are a lot of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies who are scared McKenzie has been given the autonomy to scrub the place clean of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies. The Al Davis-Oakland gravy train has run out of gravy and starving, beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies are crying on the laptop of the media member Al Davis despised the most, Mike Silver.”
This paragraph stood out to me.
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But who is going to fetch the KFC coleslaw and happy-meal hamburgers?
January 12th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Hope Big Reggie brings in Joey Clinkscales as his director of player personnel,Joey is a old high school and college teammate of his and is the scouting director for the jets now. Not sure if Joey wants to leave the big city however.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Can’t understand any Raider fan not wanting Palmer to succeed ..
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Palmer is a good QB PERIOD!
A quote from our GM.
Get over it Palmer is here to stay!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Dakota,
Jon Gruden is from Ohio and went to Dayton U. BSJ will not approve
Gruden was in GB with Reggie McKenzie in 1994 (longshot connection) – Reggie’s 1st year there & Jon’s last
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Breshnahan is not coming back. Not sure why so many are worried about that.
McKenzie said next coach will pick his or her (for the politically correct fans out there) own staff. Nothing will be said about Breshnahan. His contract will expire. A new coach will be hired. And unless you think that new coach is going to opt to hire Chuck B as his defensive coordinator there is nothing to get worked up about.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Who is on Reggie McKenzie’s list? Who do Raider fans want?
Winston Moss, Todd Bowles, Pete Carmichael Jr, Mel Tucker, Mike Pettine, Rob Chudzinski, Perry Fewell.
Even if the Raiders were interested in David Shaw would he leave Stanford after one year?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
“Can’t understand any Raider fan not wanting Palmer to succeed ..”
It just boggles your mind doesn’t it?
I mean he is our QB if you are a Raiders fan that’s your leader on offense why hate on him?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Palmer versus Campbell:
I think Palmer’s a strong QB, and could do well with a stout defense, strong O-line and dynamic rushing attack. But Campbell has a few times lead this team to 30+ points and has lead us from behind (only to turn it over to our defense and watch them give it up).
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Name a couple of games where we scored over 30 points and Campbell did the majority of work for those points. Handing the ball off to McFadden and Bush doesn’t count.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
58.Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Raiderdebo says:
Dude, you act like this guy is in his 2nd or 3rd year or something. Won’t he be going into his 10th year?? Everyone needs to get off this “full offseason” crap. What we saw from Palmer this year is exactly what he showed us in 2010. Empty passing-yard stats, way too many picks and very little in the way of winning. You could give the guy 100 offseasons and I’d still expect the same thing in 2012. So far, he’s been a downgrade from Jason Campbell. Fact.”
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Isn’t Campbell going into his 8th season?.
What has he ever done?.
And you seriously want to argue that it’s the same for a QB to come out of his couch in week 6 than it is to have an off-season to work out and get in-synch with his WR’s?.
I get it if you don’t like Palmer, but control yourself.
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You’re problem is you’re thinking about the Palmer from 2005. It hasn’t dawned on you yet that he’s been in steady decline. The fact that the Bengals fleeced us for him has elevated him in your mind. The two of us are talking about two completely different QBs. Would love the 2005 version myself.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
the guy has a hidden agenda he hates Palmer and has a serious man crush on Jason Campbell I think he is actually JC’s girlfriend secretly logging in as a demented fan.
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Show some respect! She is the finance now!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
you are proving that you know very little. Yes numb nuts, the qb presents the threat of running. The threat of the qb running IS WAHT FORCES DEFENSES INTO A BASE FORMATION AND ELIMINATES EXOTIC ZONE COVERAGES AND PRESSURES. rewatch tebow vs the steelers.
what a moron
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The names you put out there (McNabb, VY, Culpepper,…) are not TEBOW! Tebows built like a damn linebacker. He was the best option QB ever in college. Used to piss me off how he got 3rd and 3’s almost everytime.
And Cam Newton does NOT run an option style enough to call it that (He is also a HUGE QB). You do realize he threw for 400 yds his first game??
DEFENSES WILL LET THE QB GET 3 YARDS IF THEY GET THEIR SHOTS IN. The QB wont last numbnuts.
Your argument is dumb. Your grouping of black QB’s was dumb. Your name is dumb.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@#85: Chris that is the first reasonable thing you’ve said in days….
January 12th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
fingers Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Can’t understand any Raider fan not wanting Palmer to succeed ..
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Just reactionary, angry fans who can’t separate the good from the bad and are angry that we didn’t make the playoffs.
If Palmer played exactly like he did down the stretch of the defense played halfway competent in either the 4th quarter of the Lions game or the SD game Palmer would be a God to these fans. But the defense flopped and we missed the playoffs so everyone’s to blame. It’s fire Hue, trade Palmer, trade McFadden, trade Ford, gut the roster … it’s nonsense.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Nice pft article asking if Palmer will quit again lol
January 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
@94, Chris youre on a roll. Did you finally get over the Huge move?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
96.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
“Can’t understand any Raider fan not wanting Palmer to succeed ..”
It just boggles your mind doesn’t it?
I mean he is our QB if you are a Raiders fan that’s your leader on offense why hate on him?
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Pointing out facts Dcklck! You’re the most clueless poster in in the history of this blog, with Ghostdumbazz a close second. One of these days, you’ll be able to handle the truth this guy.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
94.Chris in NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Breshnahan is not coming back. Not sure why so many are worried about that.
McKenzie said next coach will pick his or her (for the politically correct fans out there) own staff. Nothing will be said about Breshnahan. His contract will expire. A new coach will be hired. And unless you think that new coach is going to opt to hire Chuck B as his defensive coordinator there is nothing to get worked up about.
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His or her…..hmmmmm…..when will the NFL be implimenting the Amy Trask Rule…..where each team has to interview a woman for the position of HC before they can hire a new HC…..Natalie Robinson would have a schytload of free vacations going around the NFL every year interviewing for HC positions!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Nice pft article asking if Palmer will quit again lol
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I saw that. Shameless grab for clicks from Florio.
It’s not even a lame unnamed source story. It’s Florio daydreaming about what might be going through Palmer’s head. #ridonkulous
January 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Chris….reactionary? Lol so you talking bout yaself now…u seen how nuts you’ve been since Huey got axed?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
97.. good luck getting an answer on that one..
January 12th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Dakota Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
94.Chris in NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Breshnahan is not coming back. Not sure why so many are worried about that.
McKenzie said next coach will pick his or her (for the politically correct fans out there) own staff. Nothing will be said about Breshnahan. His contract will expire. A new coach will be hired. And unless you think that new coach is going to opt to hire Chuck B as his defensive coordinator there is nothing to get worked up about.
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His or her…..hmmmmm…..when will the NFL be implimenting the Amy Trask Rule…..where each team has to interview a woman for the position of HC before they can hire a new HC…..Natalie Robinson would have a schytload of free vacations going around the NFL every year interviewing for HC positions!
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It wasn’t the pros, but Goldie Hawn did a nice job in “Wildcats.” Just sayin’.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
107.Chris in NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Nice pft article asking if Palmer will quit again lol
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I saw that. Shameless grab for clicks from Florio.
It’s not even a lame unnamed source story. It’s Florio daydreaming about what might be going through Palmer’s head. #ridonkulous
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Not out of the realm of possibility.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
I find it interesting that Oakglenn (RaiderDebo) and 666 are at each other’s throats, but Mista is convinced 666 is Oakglenn.
lmao
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
With a healthy running game…healthy recievers … And some plays that include a tight end … Some OLine tweeking and backups …..I believe Palmer will excell ….. I think he has his best season next year…. Book it …
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Mark L
I have always enjoyed reading your posts as you seem to be an intelligent person with something of substance to say.
As far as the Silver article is concerned I think it shows bad taste and was written with no substance or credibility. I understand the guy hates Al Davis and I get it that Al at times could be cantankerous. He probably was to everyone including his own family at times. If what Silver said was true then you would see people like Amy Trask and John Herrera being showed the door as well as Hue Jackson…..which is NOT going to happen.
As far as the LA Oakland thing I would guess that Mark is using it as leverage to get something done here as soon as possible. That is optimism on my part yes.
Thanks for your 2 cents it was a nice read!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Palmer sucks! Get him outta here! Better yet make him retire
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Your Nightmare Of The Dark!
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/your-nightmare-from-dark-spotlight-on.html
January 12th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
JLofty Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
@94, Chris youre on a roll. Did you finally get over the Huge move?
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Getting there. Still very skeptical about the whole situation not being a total dumpster fire for the Raiders, but I guess we’ll see.
If Reggie starts tearing apart the roster and having a fire sale on talent (Palmer, McFadden, Ford, etc.) just so he can get some unproven players or draft picks I’m sure I’ll lose it again though.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If Carson Palmer looks at the situation objectively, he will realize he got scr*wed by Hue Jackson. Hue put him in a position where he got blamed for HJ’s failures and HJ got credit for any success.
I said I needed a few days to sort out the firing. Though I might make fun of Mark Davis and his Captain Kangaroo haircut, they did the right thing in releasing Hue Jackson. Hue needs to reflect on his actions and enjoy the severence package.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Debo… are you a male or female? ?? … its just a question… please don’t take offense… if your a lady, I assure you.. I will still argue with you the same… I just wont call you moron.. or jackass anymore…
January 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I bet the Raiders interview more than one guy for the coaching position.
Noticing the Hue is not being considered for some openings that I think he could do well at.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Mistic… OK.then.. who do want to replace Palmer? ? I prefer Palmer over jc. . Just like I preferred jc over Russell. .. you wont give Palmer the benefit you gave jc. . Why is That? ?
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palmer has always been a high turn over guy, most of the time those types dont change, and palmer has shown that he still cant read a defense, or forces balls and makes bad decisions. Jc never has had a reputation for turn overs.
Over all my take had nothing to do with jC strictly palmers mind numbing turn overs.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
My takeaway is that within the Raiders organization there are a lot of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies who are scared McKenzie has been given the autonomy to scrub the place clean of beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies. The Al Davis-Oakland gravy train has run out of gravy and starving, beaten-down, worthless Al Davis flunkies are crying on the laptop of the media member Al Davis despised the most, Mike Silver.
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Classic!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Palmer should do the honorable thing and retire….all he will do is embarrass himself more
January 12th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Dakota LMAO at #112
Brownstains is not that smart all you have to do is read his posts to know that.
There are distinct writing styles by each one of us and folks tend to use the same words or combination of words and symbols punctuation etc.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Debo… are you a male or female? ?? … its just a question… please don’t take offense… if your a lady, I assure you.. I will still argue with you the same… I just wont call you moron.. or jackass anymore…
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At least if it is she, the JRUSS love would make sense…kinda
January 12th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Is that really you B@uce or is that a troll?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Marley @ #6, spot on. . .you realize this is the kind of guy Al would have coveted, especially since his favorite Jim Harbaugh is across the bay. . .
January 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Exla…hahahahahahaha Captain Kngaroo! Oh man I’m dead….dude u killed it!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
107.Chris in NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Nice pft article asking if Palmer will quit again lol
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I saw that. Shameless grab for clicks from Florio.
It’s not even a lame unnamed source story. It’s Florio daydreaming about what might be going through Palmer’s head. #ridonkulous
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Exactly. Some of us sem-pros could write articles for PFT.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I don’t see any fire sale coming … I think any new Headcoach will find a lot of talents already on the Raiders roster ….might be some trades … But I’d be suprised if the team was gutted … I think mcKenzie will let the HC make player decisions then Reggie will go get what he needs …
January 12th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
119.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Debo… are you a male or female? ?? … its just a question… please don’t take offense… if your a lady, I assure you.. I will still argue with you the same… I just wont call you moron.. or jackass anymore…
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What I am is your daddy, and if you start following me instead of licking up everything ESPN has to say about the Raiders, you might learn how to formulate an original thought for the 1st time your miserable life. You listening 666?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Palmer sucks 666…this is the B@uce….do you know what I am saying?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
The question isnt really whether Palmer is better than JC (which he is. Anyone here think JC wouldve taken any bengals team to the playoffs?? Has JC ever been to the playoffs?? Enough said.) Its about whether or not he was an upgrade over KYLE BOLLER. And if anyone has any questions about THAT, see the first half of the first game against KC. Palmer is our QB for the next few years, and he is perfectly capable. Yes he throws some picks because he is aggressive. He also throws some beautiful balls, and makes players around him better. That’s what we need, and thats what we have. Drop it already. G#d damn.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Palmer loves Calif. .. if he doesn’t play in Oakland. . His only other stop to speak of would be either San Francisco or Arizona. … I think he stays… he wasn’t the main reason we lost. .. most people realize it was the defense that screwed us.. not the offense. … But I guess certain people like teeing off on him anyway. ..
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Talking about a guys hairdo man that’s low!
If your a fan of the Oakland Raiders that is your owner.
why the hate?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Idk Chris, I think the odds are 50/50 on the fire sale. We’ll see. After watching the Raiders play those last 5-6 games I am not so sure that “we were THIS close” to a SupaBo or sustainable success. I was initially upset about the canning of Huge but once I took a step back and look at it from the long view, I prolly do the same thing 10/10 times.
1220 Harborbay Parkway has been due for a housecleaning for a LONG LONG time now. Time has come. I am ready now…
January 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
AlbertaMR shut up…ur pro-btch
January 12th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Jason Campbell is gone fellas. If Palmer is not back, and I would be surprised — although I never saw the Hue firing coming either — but if he’s not, it’ll be because the Green Bay guys want the younger guy they’re more familiar with (even though he’s far less proven) in Matt Flynn.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
“What I am is your daddy, and if you start following me instead of licking up everything ESPN has to say about the Raiders, you might learn how to formulate an original thought for the 1st time your miserable life. You listening 666?”
A female who wants to be your Daddy? Sounds like Chaz Bono to me!
“formulate an original thought” like JaMarcus Russell is a great QB?
That’s not an original thought that is dementia setting in!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
No fire sale, but a few players will be dangled for sure.
McKenzie will be very reasonable, but some guys will definately be on notice for the 2012 preseason.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Debo.. LOL.. now that’s not very lady like of you.. LOL.. it was just a question… OK?? Alright ill assume your a dude… you jackass! ! Carson stays!! Get over it.. you moron…lol
January 12th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
@135: that’s not hate, That’s FUNNY!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Palmer and Hue are main reasons we lost…fk Robert Carson Palmer
January 12th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
All of the conspiracy theories on why Hue was fired are pretty much at this time meaningless. A new GM wanted “his guy ” , just like the new GM in Indianapolis will want to bring in “his guy” so Caldwell will probably be shown the door very soon as well. I wanted to see Hue get 1more year to turn it around, but at the same time I wasn’t that mad when he got axed because Big Reg probably knows how to put a team together better than I or anyone else in here knows how to. And with all the talking HueJax has been doing since being fired it makes me think Big Reg did the absolute right thing.
Building a Football Team
January 12th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
AlbertaMR shut up…ur pro-btch
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Shut up boy.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
JLofty Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Idk Chris, I think the odds are 50/50 on the fire sale. We’ll see. After watching the Raiders play those last 5-6 games I am not so sure that “we were THIS close” to a SupaBo or sustainable success. I was initially upset about the canning of Huge but once I took a step back and look at it from the long view, I prolly do the same thing 10/10 times.
1220 Harborbay Parkway has been due for a housecleaning for a LONG LONG time now. Time has come. I am ready now…
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I disagree. I think we finally had the right guy. Finally had the talent. Were a legitimate defensive coordinator and maybe a few tweaks to the roster away from contending for a title. And we just blew it and very well may blow it all up and go into full rebuilding mode simply for the sake of the new GM to “put his stamp on things.”
January 12th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Vegas Raider….very disappointed in you bruh…the relocation issue…bruh very sad of you…bay area stripes taken
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I will admit the reason I like Mark Davis so much.
In 1994 I was a musician in a band that was doing well and we used to play in the East bay sometimes and one time Mark was at one of our shows…the guy loves and is very knowledgeable about rock music.
That’s all I will to share.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
141.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Debo.. LOL.. now that’s not very lady like of you.. LOL.. it was just a question… OK?? Alright ill assume your a dude… you jackass! ! Carson stays!! Get over it.. you moron…lol
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Carson stays?? I’m afraid you don’t make that call Son.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
138.Chris in NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
…— although I never saw the Hue firing coming either — …
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Really? You should have just listened to me:
491.Dakota Says:
December 13th, 2011 at 10:37 am
Hue Jackson fired after this season?
Hard to say. If he wins 2 out of the last 3, I think he is safe.
But if he goes 8-8 and chokes the late part of the season away by going 1-4, then I think he is certainly going to come under fire. If he had his team ready and competitive, even with the injuries, then I think he might even survive 8-8, but that just simply didn’t happen, and just being competitive with KC and SD isn’t going to save him from the past two performances.
Hue had his shot to take over the entire franchise, and if he had taken the team to 10-6 or 11-5, I think Mark and Amy would have left him in charge, but he didn’t get it done, so now Hue will be looking at them hiring a GM.
Unless you are a special HC, you do not get a say in who your GM will be, and I don’t think Hue earned the right to tell the Raiders who should be the GM, so the new GM will have no ties to Hue, and every GM wants to have “their guy” in as head coach.
So, if we go 7-9 or 8-8 and we have a new GM, I think Hue is gone. If we go 9-7 or 10-6, I think the new GM will be forced to give Hue another shot.
Just my viewpoint.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Personally I thought Mark’s hair was dope….y’all hatin
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
Bob Marley Says:
Carson Palmer is a fine QB, one of the best.
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Based on what, Bob?
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On my 25 years of watching football old man, the guy is a legit QB.
Feel free to disagree, you asked and I answered, I have watched a ton of football and I can tell when a guy can or can’t play, I know you’ve watched more that that, so you’re entitled to an opinion as well.
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Based on my 45 years of watching football, AND HIS FRIGGIN NUMBERS, I disagree.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Chris.. Flynn is unproven. . He’s only 6′2″.. and doesn’t have the arm strength. .. he’s only played in two NFL games… he reminds me of the Ariz qb… our wr will be outrunning or having to wait on his throws every single time… it will be Dink and dunk passes galore…. Yuk!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hitler’s assessment of Hue Jackson’s firing – Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kTV7O7TVNh0
January 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Mark Davis is into rock music like he was into cocaine…fact!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
I can’t see Reggie Mckenzie coming in here and totally dismantling this team from top to bottom. We were effective on offense, due to an assortment of players who were productive but suffered injuries which ultimately impeded our progress and disrupted any continuity. If for the sake of “bringing in his people”, this team looks foreign to me on offense next year, I’ll be a bit upset.
We under utilized our tight end and check downs and I thought went away from running the ball as much in the last couple of games. Anyhow, upgrade positions that need to be with players who will compliment the ones we have on our roster now, and hopefully whoever our new coach is, builds on what we’ve been doing on offense the past 2 years. “Joe Fan” can see that our O is not the problem and will cause ruckus at the O. if our offense sputters this upcoming season.
Now our defense needs help and i’ll be satisfied with new faces and schemes on that side of the ball. I’m happy with the changes and I feel that this new regime will build on Al’s legacy but with smart, fast, skilled athletes who love playing football.
Love my Raiders under any circumstance!
“A wise man see’s failure as progress, a fool divorces his knowledge and misses the logic”.
We will win and it won’t take as long as some think!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Chris In NY Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
JLofty Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Idk Chris, I think the odds are 50/50 on the fire sale. We’ll see. After watching the Raiders play those last 5-6 games I am not so sure that “we were THIS close” to a SupaBo or sustainable success. I was initially upset about the canning of Huge but once I took a step back and look at it from the long view, I prolly do the same thing 10/10 times.
1220 Harborbay Parkway has been due for a housecleaning for a LONG LONG time now. Time has come. I am ready now…
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I disagree. I think we finally had the right guy. Finally had the talent. Were a legitimate defensive coordinator and maybe a few tweaks to the roster away from contending for a title. And we just blew it and very well may blow it all up and go into full rebuilding mode simply for the sake of the new GM to “put his stamp on things.”
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Chris, not to “put his stamp on things” so much as to bring the entire organization into the new millenium. I love Al as much as anyone but cmon, the last 10 years have been like watching a monkey try to f#ck a football in our front office. We need to make some changes. What you WONT see is a “fire-sale” so to speak. What you WILL see is the shedding of some dead weight. (Think T Kelly). There is plenty of talent here on the team. I think Reggie worries more about remaking the ORGANIZATION before he ever decides that there isnt enough talent on the roster. Just my opinion.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Debo. .. please tell me who replaces him?? Give me a name That will be an upgrade to Palmer? ?…. and please don’t say Russell or young. …
January 12th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Vegas Raider….very disappointed in you bruh…the relocation issue…bruh very sad of you…bay area stripes taken
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My dream situation, is them playing out this lease until 2013, playing in Santa Clara for a year or two, and than having a top of the line joint built exactly where the stadium is today.
I just don’t blame Mark for looking at his options.
And Al might be more of an Oakland guy, than Mark, you got to consider that.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I will admit the reason I like Mark Davis so much.
In 1994 I was a musician in a band that was doing well and we used to play in the East bay sometimes and one time Mark was at one of our shows…the guy loves and is very knowledgeable about rock music.
That’s all I will to share.
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Did you smoke a doobie with him?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
“Based on my 45 years of watching football,” While under medication I might add.
And why don’t you have any listing you old goat?
What kind of crappy Realtor are you?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Really, when you think back, with that atrocious defense, we were a Jay Cutler and Adrian Peterson non-injury away from being 6-10.
I hope McKenzie guts the defense. It really can’t get any worse.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Palmer all stats and not enough winning….number 1 pick and all…no playoff wins…17 pick sixes? Come on be serious…this guy sucks
January 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Palmer all stats and not enough winning….number 1 pick and all…no playoff wins…17 pick sixes? Come on be serious…this guy sucks
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what do you prefer, go after flynn, Jcamp?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
No Albert and aren’t you MR?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Yes he throws some picks because he is aggressive.
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This “aggressive” or “gunslinger” excuse for Palmer’s interceptions is a joke! What did that 1st int against GB have to do with being a “gunslinger”?? Just a boneheaded decision. Or the backbreaking pick that led to the tying TD run by McGahee? He missed high going to Moore. The 1st pix6 against KC? He never saw the guy. Training camp won’t change this. Quit fooling yourselves.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Method… is there someone we have or someone we can get. . That would be an upgrade… to Palmer? ?? I like the way you guys say he stinks but wont give any alternatives to him..lol
January 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Can we all try to remember that Palmer is the only QB since Boomer to get the Bungles to the playoffs. Easy guys. Perspective.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Here’s my take on David Shaw, which I’m all for!
The concern, I guess, is that Shaw’s head-coaching experience is limited to college, as well as overall. Then again, the same could be said of Todd Bowles, Joe Philbin, Winston Moss and Darren Perry, right?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
JB Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Hitler’s assessment of Hue Jackson’s firing – Hilarious
http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=kTV7O7TVNh0
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LMAO!!! That is the funniest thing I have seen on this blog. The bet part is that I can totally see Al having that same rant.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
introducing the new coach of the Oakland Raiders… Winston Moss Who’s excited? Who thinks he’s an upgrade?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Madden on NFLN
January 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Really, when you think back, with that atrocious defense, we were a Jay Cutler and Adrian Peterson non-injury away from being 6-10.
I hope McKenzie guts the defense. It really can’t get any worse.
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In reality, we should have lost the Texans game. 10 players on the field, Schaub choked! Love the story, but that was a total coaching failure!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Post 154,,,, 5 stars
January 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
167.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Method… is there someone we have or someone we can get. . That would be an upgrade… to Palmer? ?? I like the way you guys say he stinks but wont give any alternatives to him..lol
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They have no answers, they just continue crying about the wrong guy, ignoring the injuries to all of his playmakers, no running attack and the fact that the defense was so bad he had to take chances to try and keep the team in the game.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raiders can’t afford to replace Palmer, unless they bring JC back. Reggie is going to have to spend most of his assets repairing that horrible defense.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
VR….Mark saw LA’s influence and ruining the team….somethings cost and it don’t show on the books
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
“Based on my 45 years of watching football,” While under medication I might add.
And why don’t you have any listing you old goat?
What kind of crappy Realtor are you?
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All this blog gets out of you is Troll Nonsense. Get a Life.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Debo, you really think it’s fair to criticize him for the first pic against KC? Wow.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Dakota,
You’re on fire today, with humor, football insight, blame for lakers loss and overall smarts, what’s wrong with you, where has that been?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
179.. Lmao. ..
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Dumbkota…ghost asked me not your Dukes of Hazzard dvd collection having ass!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
173.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Really, when you think back, with that atrocious defense, we were a Jay Cutler and Adrian Peterson non-injury away from being 6-10.
I hope McKenzie guts the defense. It really can’t get any worse.
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In reality, we should have lost the Texans game. 10 players on the field, Schaub choked! Love the story, but that was a total coaching failure!
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Don’t forget about the points Hue left on the field that put the Texans in position to win that game too.
Yikes.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
VR….Mark saw LA’s influence and ruining the team….somethings cost and it don’t show on the books
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another question for you, do you believe Al would be upset with the firing per Silver, if so how do you feel about that?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
158.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Debo. .. please tell me who replaces him?? Give me a name That will be an upgrade to Palmer? ?…. and please don’t say Russell or young. …
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Nice to see you coming to me for guidance instead of sitting in the corner chugging Koolaid all day. If Garrard is healthy, I like him. Also find Flynn intriguing, although I worry about him being the product of a great system and supporting cast. Who knows, maybe Pryor makes some strides this offseason. And we know we can win games with Campbell. Tell you what, email Reggie and he’ll get back to you in a few months.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Kk. . Are you a Realtor? ? Where?? Maybe I can use you.. lol
January 12th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
180.Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Dakota,
You’re on fire today, with humor, football insight, blame for lakers loss and overall smarts, what’s wrong with you, where has that been?
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It never left, you just are not around as much as you used to be Dell! Quit working and take a blog day off once in a while….does the body good!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I don’t,want JC back either for the record…blow it all up
January 12th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
I don’t,want JC back either for the record…blow it all up
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cue mistic
January 12th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
158.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Debo. .. please tell me who replaces him?? Give me a name That will be an upgrade to Palmer? ?…. and please don’t say Russell or young. …
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Nice to see you coming to me for guidance instead of sitting in the corner chugging Koolaid all day. If Garrard is healthy, I like him. Also find Flynn intriguing, although I worry about him being the product of a great system and supporting cast. Who knows, maybe Pryor makes some strides this offseason. And we know we can win games with Campbell. Tell you what, email Reggie and he’ll get back to you in a few months.
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Palmer’s better than any of them. And it might help your credibility if you stopped talking about a (LULZ Alert) “JaMarcus Russell bidding war” (at where? The All-You-Can-Eat line?).
January 12th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
You guys kill me with the Mark Davis hair descriptions. Let me say this, the dude playing for Iowa State last night, last name White, hair looked like the snow cone I had at disneyland a few weeks back, what a DOOOO!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Be patient, we have 10 years of doing such, we are now in the process of evolving, to a status, almost all in this blog wanted for so long, a GM and structure to this ORG.
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Dell, I wouldn’t have included you, in the “almost all” category. Who knew?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Debo, you really think it’s fair to criticize him for the first pic against KC? Wow
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Just what picks DO you criticize the guy for? I’m just sick of all the excuses for his piss-poor play. With the labor unrest, he was only on the couch about 6 weeks longer than anyone else. And he’s a nine-year vet. What’s his excuse for 2010? Again I ask you, what Do you criticize him for?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Al wouldn’t have fired Hue…cuzHue ego woulda been in check…but if hue got outta line…yes he is outro
January 12th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Debo. .. that’s exactly my point. . Right now there is no better alternative than Palmer. .. we gave up a first and a second for him… he’s not going anywhere… Gerard. .who just had back surgery. . Pryor.. no experience. . Flynn. . Unproven and will be commanding a huge salary?? … cmon.. Reggie knows.. that right now he has no better alternative over Palmer. .I’m just glad you didn’t mention jc or jamarcus..LOL…
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
190.RaiderDuck Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
158.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Debo. .. please tell me who replaces him?? Give me a name That will be an upgrade to Palmer? ?…. and please don’t say Russell or young. …
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Nice to see you coming to me for guidance instead of sitting in the corner chugging Koolaid all day. If Garrard is healthy, I like him. Also find Flynn intriguing, although I worry about him being the product of a great system and supporting cast. Who knows, maybe Pryor makes some strides this offseason. And we know we can win games with Campbell. Tell you what, email Reggie and he’ll get back to you in a few months.
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Palmer’s better than any of them. And it might help your credibility if you stopped talking about a (LULZ Alert) “JaMarcus Russell bidding war” (at where? The All-You-Can-Eat line?).
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If you really think I give a damn about your opinion of my credibility, you’re even dumber than you sound.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
It never left, you just are not around as much as you used to be Dell! Quit working and take a blog day off once in a while….does the body good!
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Doctor Dakota,
Good point, will try harder to be a blog personality, but I’m out here, trying to protect the 1% who need me constantly.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Dell…you mean Foghorn Leghorn couldn’t stop Mike Dixon driving to the lane
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
“Kk. . Are you a Realtor? ? Where?? Maybe I can use you.. lol”
You could if the old goat actually had any listings but he don’t.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
197.Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
It never left, you just are not around as much as you used to be Dell! Quit working and take a blog day off once in a while….does the body good!
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Doctor Dakota,
Good point, will try harder to be a blog personality, but I’m out here, trying to protect the 1% who need me constantly.
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Make sure you make them write some checks to Mitt….need to get that POS out of the Presidency.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
“Kk. . Are you a Realtor? ? Where?? Maybe I can use you.. lol”
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Get a Life, Troll.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
dell…I dig Mark’s hair…he is a rich former coke head who don’t give a damn! Mark is dope…pimpin ass white Bishop Magic Don Juan hair
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
193. Its fair to criticize the first GB pick. It’s fair to say he should’ve played better in a couple games. But you have to attempt to be somewhat objective about circumstances that were beyond his control. He wasn’t even supposed to play the first KC game.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
666..
I bet he sells dog houses!!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
“If you really think I give a damn about your opinion of my credibility, you’re even dumber than you sound.”
Wow such hostility from a guy who actually is dumber than he sounds or is Debo a she…..or some kind of Chaz Bono transvestite lab experiment?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
195.ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Debo. .. that’s exactly my point. . Right now there is no better alternative than Palmer. .. we gave up a first and a second for him… he’s not going anywhere… Gerard. .who just had back surgery. . Pryor.. no experience. . Flynn. . Unproven and will be commanding a huge salary?? … cmon.. Reggie knows.. that right now he has no better alternative over Palmer. .I’m just glad you didn’t mention jc or jamarcus..LOL…
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Read it again Son. I did mention JC. He has outperformed Palmer by a mile in Oakland. And Garrard has won in the playoffs. We’ll see with Flynn, but I’m pretty sure that if given the choice between Flynn and Palmer, 85% of them would choose Flynn.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
“Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
“Kk. . Are you a Realtor? ? Where?? Maybe I can use you.. lol”
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Get a Life, Troll.”
Get a listing old man!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Mark Davis Is a long lost member from that group Player….”Baby Come bacccccckkkk…you can blame it all on me”
January 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Well, looks like it’s Troll Time on the blog. Later.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Flynn has played in 2 games as a pro and you are ready to crown him?
Whats funny is that you call others stupid but look at your lack of logic in this statement.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Is there any Marriots close to the O? I can get a great family and friends discount rate and I am without a doubt, heading out to Oakland to catch a game this year. I have to!
50 yd line seats expensive?
Thanks
January 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
210. Exactly.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
“Well, looks like it’s Troll Time on the blog. Later.”
Yes when you came in it suddenly became troll time now get of your lazy ass and go find some listings!
Michael Kelly this is your boss secretly posting as a Raider fan monitoring your blog time now get back to work!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
203.Forrest Hump Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
193. Its fair to criticize the first GB pick. It’s fair to say he should’ve played better in a couple games. But you have to attempt to be somewhat objective about circumstances that were beyond his control. He wasn’t even supposed to play the first KC game.
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Yeah, that pick and the one against KC in the second game that could have cost us. Really, most of his picks came in his first game or in blowouts that were already out of control before he threw picks.
Get McFadden back, re-sign Bush or another good back, get a new RT, new DC and a couple of players on D with a frigggin brain, and a head coach who will put a stop to some of those penalties, and we will contend next year with Carson Palmer. No doubt about it.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
B@uce how do you know all the old classic rock songs?
January 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
All this whinning about Palmer. Palmer is the best QB we have had since Gannon.
Our defense was terrible.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Dakotas last post is dead on.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
….”Baby Come bacccccckkkk…you can blame it all on me”
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Great song!!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
If you really think I give a damn about your opinion of my credibility, you’re even dumber than you sound.
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Somebody who actually thinks there will be a “JaMarcus Russell bidding war” should not be insulting people. Ask your teachers at school tomorrow. They’ll clue you in.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I can’t see McKenzie paying Boss that type of money.
He has watched Green Baby flourish with mid-round, home grown, CHEAP, TE’s for 20 years.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
“I can’t see McKenzie paying Boss that type of money.”
we do have 4 TE’s on our roster.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1st Reggie McKenzie draft will be filled with Safeties, TE’s and LB’s.
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
JFB I like that song too was wondering how B knew about it.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Is there any Marriots close to the O? I can get a great family and friends discount rate and I am without a doubt, heading out to Oakland to catch a game this year. I have to!
50 yd line seats expensive?
Thanks
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Plenty of good hotels including the Marriott. Doubt you’ll find 50 yd. line seats but 30-40 yd line Club seats run around $150 for single games. Call 1-800-RAIDERS for more information.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
210.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Flynn has played in 2 games as a pro and you are ready to crown him?
Whats funny is that you call others stupid but look at your lack of logic in this statement.
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Just like Kolb when he threw for 300plus twice to close out the season, nekminnit huge payday an he has been average at best.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1st Reggie McKenzie draft will be filled with Safeties, TE’s and LB’s.
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I don’t see the TE angle.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
With rumblings that Todd Bowles will meet with Reggie McKenzie, I figure it is a good time to take an actual look at who Todd Bowles is.
Todd Bowles, 48, is a native of New Jersey who played College football at Temple University. He was passed up in the draft and was signed as an undrafted rookie free agent by the Washington Redskins where he started two games as a rookie and was a starter on the Redskins Super Bowl XXII Championship team.
After eight seasons in the NFL (7 with Skins and 1 with SF), he retired in 1993.
After his playing career was done, he joined the player personnel department of the Green Bay Packers from 1995-96 before becoming the defensive coordinator/DB Coach at Morehouse College. From there he coached under Eddie Robinson at Grambling from 1998-99.
In 2000 Todd became the Jets Defensive Backs Coach,. He has also had a stint in Cleveland before he began working with Bill Parcells and the Cowboys. Eventually Bowles headed to Miami and this season he was promoted to Head Coach for three games, tallying a 2-1 record and nearly going 3-0 after putting a scare into the Patriots in week 16. The Dolphins also knocked the Jets out of the playoffs without Reggie Bush in Week 17.
He played under Gibbs and was mentored by Eddie Robinson and Bill Parcells. His stay in Green Bay may have been his most important as he worked with a man who may become his new boss, Reggie McKenzie.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Be patient, we have 10 years of doing such, we are now in the process of evolving, to a status, almost all in this blog wanted for so long, a GM and structure to this ORG.
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Dell, I wouldn’t have included you, in the “almost all” category. Who knew?
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KK,
Was it that I didn’t comment enough about Al Davis record over the past 25 years, or I didn’t cut and paste many media articles, who hatefully described Davis and his lack of knowledge and football skills, or was I not repetitive enough to bring it up constantly.
I will say for sure, Al Davis and I had a relationship of so many good memorys, that my thought process became much clearer to me as he made three vital mistakes which tipped me over the edge.
First, was not retaining John Gruden, who by most recent accounts, was the only guy who could of worked with Davis and played his game. To not pay him the going rate for a coach of his caliber was maddening.
Second, was Al not retaing Bruce Allen. Allen left to become a GM with Gruden in Tampa Bay. This was the worst move that spinned out of control these last 9 years, before Davis died. He had his GM right there, doing it his way. Davis could of stepped back, took on a consultant role and advised Allen and let him run this organization. DSavis never gave Allen any role and Allen bolted as he saw no future in this organization.
You can debate Allen record in Tampa and now Washington, but we needed stability then and most of the other problems surfaced due to no filter between Davis and the HC or Football people reporting to Davis.
Third, the selection of Jamarcus Russell. When you are going to pay a QB who is the first pick in the draft, you had better be sure he is a franchise Qb, worth $40 million. To not hire a private Investigtor to research Russell and find out all the back round issues he had is a crisis of the magnitude of just burning $40 million dollars, what a waste of money and draft pick.
I think, KK you had your way of doing things in this blog and I came around in my mind very disappointed to our organization and was a silent pissed off Raider Nation man, who always going to defer to a owner who in prior years gave all of us, old timers fun, excitement, super bowls and hope every year.
Do I wish Al Davis death, not like others, but I respect the history and his place in it, and that’s my biggest fault, hoping it would get better.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Sean Spence University of Miami:
The Miami, FL native is generously listed at 6′0”, but there are questions about that. He has good speed (4.5s in the 40-yard dash with a fastest time of 4.46)and impressive instincts and he always seems to be around the ball. With his size and ability in coverage, Spence could even fit in as a strong safety in some NFL schemes. Look for Spence to be a third-round selection in the 2012 NFL Draft.
I like this kid.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I don’t see the TE angle.
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I see alot of potential for overhaul at that position.
Myers and Gordon are nothing special, Ausberry is an Al Davis athlete, and Boss gets paid too much.
Packers drafted 3 TE’s, last year alone!
January 12th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
KK,
left, oh well, can give one sentence comments.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Out of all the bad azz players that the U has produced in defensive backfields, Al Davis found a way to get the two sissies.
Showtime Buchanon and DVD.
McKenzie will clean this up.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
226.RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1st Reggie McKenzie draft will be filled with Safeties, TE’s and LB’s.
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I don’t see the TE angle.
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Me either. S, DT, and LB’s. Focus ENTIRELY on the D (pick up a couple olineman in FA).
January 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1st Reggie McKenzie draft will be filled with Safeties, TE’s and LB’s.
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I don’t see the TE angle.
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Raiders are deep at TE; infact we might trade one away.
I could see the Raiders moving Gordon to FB, either as Reece’s backup or if we lose him, then the starter at thefb position.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Dell
So are you going to take back all the nasty things you said about me?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Out of all the bad azz players that the U has produced in defensive backfields, Al Davis found a way to get the two sissies.
Showtime Buchanon and DVD.
McKenzie will clean this up.
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lol…I’m hoping DVD will get it together.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Not sold on Bowles but he does have a history with Reggie which gives him the upper hand next to Moss
January 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Hue Jackson is now in the history books of the Raiders
I do not want to see, nor will I read any more articles on Hue.
All I want to know is:
1) Head Coach
2) DC
3) who gets cut and or traded and for whom/which draft picks.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I don’t see the TE angle.
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I see alot of potential for overhaul at that position.
Myers and Gordon are nothing special, Ausberry is an Al Davis athlete, and Boss gets paid too much.
Packers drafted 3 TE’s, last year alone!
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Had no idea the Packers drafted 3 TE’s!
Wow.
I think Meyers is pretty good, but would certainly understand jettisoning Boss.
I’ll be curious to see how heavy Ausberry is come training camp.
Gordon would have to show He can catch passes consistently.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
#236
you forgot fabian
January 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
On the ” Rome wasn’t built in a day” comment:
It better be built in a year
January 12th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Fabian wasn’t from the U
January 12th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I watched some good things from Hue this year and some bad things. I was leaning toward keeping him for continuity sake. But I have no problem with a new GM getting his own guy. People like Silver need to remember that Reggie watched the Packer game up close and saw a Huejax team go down 34-0 early with playoffs on the line. I’m sure he scouted the previous weeks game and saw us go down 34-0 early to a not so good Miami team. Again with the playoffs on the line. If u were a GM and those were your most recent memories. I could see how you’d want to eject the HC.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I always pretty pissed when Al passed on Clinton Portis…I forgot who we drafted instead of him.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
ElkGRaider Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
226.RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
1st Reggie McKenzie draft will be filled with Safeties, TE’s and LB’s.
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I don’t see the TE angle.
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Me either. S, DT, and LB’s. Focus ENTIRELY on the D (pick up a couple olineman in FA).
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I’m down with a Defensive focus.
It will be fun to observe how Reggie operates.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
There was no need to keep Hue for continuity sake since 2/3 of the roster next year will be purged and like Reggie said, we are embarking in a new era, the post Al Davis era
January 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
was*
January 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
AL Davis, since 1983, has been a worthless piece of crap – 1983 being the last year Raiders won the Superbowl. Most people only go back to the Gruden anomaly in 2002, but it goes back further to 1983 when AL realized he could make more money winning lawsuits against the NFL and city of Oakland than winning football games.
With AL’s shenanigans, the Raiders have been in the league cellar for 29 years. This is a great drama of the rise and fall of a great genius – a genius who couldn’t resurrect himself or his team after the initial fall.
Now all you fools think you know the Raiders and Davis from the old days, but you are all a bunch of 3-hair young little bastards, who, if you are under the age of 50, know nothing about the greatness of the Raiders at all.
My advice to you is shut up and learn.
AL was crap for 29 yrs and deserved to be turned out to the curb. He should have been run out of the league and his minority partners should have expelled him from the partnership in which he held a 60% ownership interest. No boys and girls, AL didn’t, nor his family now, don’t exclusively own the Raiders, even though you dumb asses thought so.
So now while God gave us a miracle and took AL back to football Heaven, or wherever the hell he ended up, we can rejoice that his stink and taint is now abating.
Hue was loud mouthed, pimped out BS’er – a bully who couldn’t keep a single promise or remedy problems he himself created. He not only deserved to be fired, but on the way out the door, slapped across the face with an ax handle, appropriate to all con artists of his ilk. Hue bragged about the CP being the greatest trade in sports: CP being a washed up, aged QB who quit on the Bengals after making $125M in 8 yrs. It was a great trade alright, but only for Cincy.
Now all you haters and pretenders – adolescent whores preening in front of a mirror – know the real story; just shut the F up and watch the team eliminate AL’s taint and stink and all that the taint and stink touched.
The Raiders will soon return to greatness.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
666..
I bet he sells dog houses!!
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That is really lame. Can’t you come up with a better joke than that?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
237.boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Not sold on Bowles but he does have a history with Reggie which gives him the upper hand next to Moss
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Bowles was 2-1 as a head coach and almost beat New England.
And he kicked our a…
January 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I bet he sells dog houses!!
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I’d like to sell a Dog House to every Dog owner, care taker in America.
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January 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
It’s ludicrous to even attempt to compare Campbell to Palmer in terms of passing effectiveness. I don’t think that anyone can effectively argue that Campbell did not have the better tools at his disposal during his 6 games than Palmer did during his 9:
- a healthy DMac
- at least one of Moore or Ford in the lineup
- a healthy secondary to keep the games closer and not in must pass mode for the offense
- not one but two full training camps under Hue’s offense to learn it and the WRs
Despite that Palmer was vastly superior in all stats with the exception of the ints. I mean VASTLY, like over 300 yards per start vs under 200, and 1.5 TDs per game vs 1. Again, that is with a very uneven playing field.
Where those that fascinate only on the numbers don’t get it is looking at the intellect of the two QBs. Under Campbell it was lost seconds of pre-snap indecision, several delay of games while he struggled to read the defense and audible, multiple wasted time outs, and then he contributed to the OL jumping early with rushed snap counts as the play clock ticked down. By his second game, Palmer had command of the offense. He made quick and accurate reads of the defense, audibled, got the offense reset, and got the snap off with time to spare. It’s this sort of cerebral ability that helps set apart the best QBs from the pure athletic passer/rusher types.
As for this take:
“…i will never accept any qb that throws more picks than tds, i like qbs that protect the ball it is the number one assignment for a qb…”
By that admission then you’d be perfectly happy with the sequence:
- 1st and 10: check down, check down, check down, throw out of bounds
- 2nd and 10: get confused at line of scrimmage, take too long, delay of game
- 2nd and 15: 5 step drop, check down, check down, check down, get sacked
- 3rd and 19: draw play for 6 yards
- 4th and 13: punt
No interceptions in that sequence. Repeat it all game long, wear out the defense, and lose 21 – 10. That’s the Campbell formula when he doesn’t have DMac to bail him out.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
250, still not sold, 2-1, big whoop, so was Hue at the start of this season, where is he now
January 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Dell
So are you going to take back all the nasty things you said about me?
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KK,
You didn’t leave. My comments are what I read in this blog for a few years. Are you disputing your cut and paste, repeating the comments of win /loss record or are you trying to find a reason as you said “nasty comments”
I would never say nasty comments about you, you had that right, to express your opinion, you just went a little overboard. I can’t remember being nasty, so please tell me when and I will eat crow and apologize, but I don’t think you can.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
I think that when Reggie says he has a short list it’s just one guy, Moss.
He would love to have Bowles as his DC and if Fisher takes the Miami job and wants his own man at DC then Reggie will strike.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Zymurge, don’t listen to knuckleheads here comparing JC to Carson, lets not also forget that JC is officially injury prone, his injury cost us the playoffs, he was injured last year too and these knuckleheads want him back.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
To all you guys complaining about Hue being gone: Do you really believe that Hue would NOT have done EVERYTHING in his power to undermine the new GM for all of 2012??? He threw the late Davis’ hires under the bus during his GREAT FINALE. If he doesn’t make it in 2012 whose to say that he doesn’t throw Reggie Mac under the bus too??
January 12th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Alright gentleman, have a good one!
January 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
236. McK is gonna watch last yrs tape of DVD tackling like the biggest puzzy in the world and cut his azz immediately
January 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Raidertalk Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
To all you guys complaining about Hue being gone: Do you really believe that Hue would NOT have done EVERYTHING in his power to undermine the new GM for all of 2012??? He threw the late Davis’ hires under the bus during his GREAT FINALE. If he doesn’t make it in 2012 whose to say that he doesn’t throw Reggie Mac under the bus too??
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Exactly. How long until we’d get Mike Silver (citing “unnamed sources”) saying that Mac was in over his head, or wasn’t bringing in good players, or what have you?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Watching JC slide the first game, then throw that pick against NE in the end zone, then not sliding and getting hurt erased any doubt about him not being the qb of the future
January 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
236. McK is gonna watch last yrs tape of DVD tackling like the biggest puzzy in the world and cut his azz immediately
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Unless your name is Deion Sanders, as a DB you gotta tackle.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
GoodOle00 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
236. McK is gonna watch last yrs tape of DVD tackling like the biggest puzzy in the world and cut his azz immediately
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If Rod Woodson wants to stay on as a DB coach, our new HC (be it Moss or whoever) will be running that tape and asking Woodson if he teaches tackling at all.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I bet he sells dog houses!!
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I’d like to sell a Dog House to every Dog owner, care taker in America.
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Len,
Need a dog house, with cable and electricity, does that work into your cost for owners.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
You really have to wonder if McK is part of building Packer greatness or a beneficiary.
Got a feeling we’re going to be forced to find out.
Also got a feelin he could give 2 ****s whether we’re sick to death of losing 8 seasons in row when he begins his rebuild.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
196Debo,Palmer is the starting QB for the Oakland Raiders,and should be,IMO,period.I saw Plunk come in,after his game performance in NE,then the Whiners,and be the Winning QB on Two Super Bowl Teams,as a former first round pick,and now Palmer,a former 1st round pick is on the team,lets see what happens,Haters.I think he throws a deep ball as well as most that Ive seen,ever,and He NEVER had DMAC lined up behind him,another PERIOD.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@114.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
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I’d agree, any new owner’s going to flout his leverage when he can. And while I think LA may prefer the Chargers, the other side of the coin is Oakland has virtually zero politician with an ounce of control that I believe could A. develop a financing plan that protects the city budget and B. successfully negotiate with an NFL owner. But I guess we’ll see.
And whoever said the question isn’t was Palmer better than Campbell but was he better than Prior and/or Boller (I think it was Forest): couldn’t agree more.
Does anyone know if McFadden practiced today?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
I bet he sells dog houses!!
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I’d like to sell a Dog House to every Dog owner, care taker in America.
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Len,
Need a dog house, with cable and electricity, does that work into your cost for owners.
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LOL,
That’s what your office is for Dell.
At least mine anyway.
Those 1%’s of yours would pay big $$$ to keep Scruffy happy.
So Cable and Power, no problem.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
263. Tyvon can tackle. Alot of rookies and scrubs. That secondary wasn’t healthy from camp day 1
January 12th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Regarding the trade dmac supporters:
No team will give up a first rounder given his injury prone history, maybe a second at best.
Knowing that are u people nuts? Give him at least next year to prove he can play an entire season and see if that gets us to the playoffs cuz obviously bush got us nowhere
January 12th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Well Dell, I guess that’s the best I’m gonna get. I’ve been saying for years that Al Davis needed to step aside. Been called all kind of names for it.
Now that it’s happened……everybody’s happy.
I’m not bitter about it. All I care about is the Raiders. I’m not here to posture & brown nose.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Conspiracy theory One:
Bresnahan is still around because he helped Mark over throw Davis’ pick Hue Jackson.
Mark’s sinister plot to destroy Dads legacy meant we had to lose so he could begin.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Mark L Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I’d agree, any new owner’s going to flout his leverage when he can. And while I think LA may prefer the Chargers, the other side of the coin is Oakland has virtually zero politician with an ounce of control that I believe could A. develop a financing plan that protects the city budget and B. successfully negotiate with an NFL owner. But I guess we’ll see.
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Peter King’s podcast a few months back had a big discussion on LA. The group that wants to build Farmer’s Field (AEG) is worried that Raider fans would bring “the wrong element” to the stadium when they’re trying to sell their uber-pricey condos right next door. Bottom line is AEG will take us, BUT we’re their last choice. They’d prefer the Rams, Chargers, Vikings or Jags over us.
Don’t know if Ed Roski’s venture in the City of Industry is that picky or not. I suspect they’d be more willing to take us on. However, they want 30% of the team, and Trask (IIRC) has said they’re not giving up that much. I personally think they SHOULD, because moving to LA with a shiny new stadium will increase the value of the franchise more than that 30%.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Why the hell is teblow on the front page of the web page site? If it ain’t bad enough hearing about him on every dam channel!! Sorry ass writer!!
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I guess, since I posted W-L records, facts & figures, it made it hard to swallow, by some.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
“The greatest trade in the history of the NFL”
The media should have thrown tomatoes at him.
What an arrogant, horses azz.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Raiderimmortal Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Why the hell is teblow on the front page of the web page site? If it ain’t bad enough hearing about him on every dam channel!! Sorry ass writer!!
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Because people either love him or hate him, and either way they’ll click over. Page views, grasshopper.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I know why there is a strong anti-Palmer surge in RaiderNation—*gasp* It’s because he’s white!!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The jags owner looks like a mudgahadin…can’t believe that pos is an NFL owner
January 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I guess, since I posted W-L records, facts & figures, it made it hard to swallow, by some.
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Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Rumor has it we’re looking at Dom Capers for HC.
Opinions,,,,
January 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Dam that sucks.. I for one can’t stand him good kid tho just wish he was with another team..
January 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
“The greatest trade in the history of the NFL”
The media should have thrown tomatoes at him.
What an arrogant, horses azz.
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Having a “quotable” personality has it’s pitfalls. lol
January 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
by now it is OBVIOUS that OBVIOUSLY the little bald guy serves himself alone.
shrug. nuthin’ gnu hu.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
KK – the hue of this site.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Iowaraider Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
I know why there is a strong anti-Palmer surge in RaiderNation—*gasp* It’s because he’s white!!!!
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Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The jags owner looks like a mudgahadin…can’t believe that pos is an NFL owner
January 12th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Pretty Rick Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Rumor has it we’re looking at Dom Capers for HC.
Opinions,,,,
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Hope not. He didn’t exactly set the world on fire in his two previous HC stops. Good DC, though.
Do you have a link?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
What if the raiders move to San Jose like the a’s are trying to do. Davis said he wants a stadium and is open to all locations. Any thoughts?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The jags owner looks like a mudgahadin…can’t believe that pos is an NFL owner
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RACIST
January 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Dakota Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
I do not think you can argue that with a good DC, and a healthy stable of playmakers and Palmer at QB, Hue could have taken this team to 11-5 and won the division next year.
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I would argue that and here is why: You take Richard Seymour stopping Mark Sanchez on the 4 inch line, the trick play against Cleveland, Mike Huff making a miracle pick in the endzone, and Seymour blocking not one but two FG’s, and this team EASILY could have been 5-11 or 4-12. GB did not get to 15-1 by running trick FG’s over and over. They win by playing good solid hard nosed football on both sides of the ball. We were promised that, I for one certainly didn’t see hard nosed football. I saw excuses and finger pointing. Maybe you guys can explain to me where the good solid hard nosed football was.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
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Oh, I see. Lol.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
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IT WAS FRIGGIN URGENT!
January 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Rumor has it we’re looking at Dom Capers for HC.
Opinions,,,,
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Would love it, and floated the idea weeks ago.
Coached two expansion teams, and has lots of game experience. 3-4, zone blitz guy.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I guess, since I posted W-L records, facts & figures, it made it hard to swallow, by some.
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Hope is a hard thing to recreate, but you must if you are to believe in anyone for a purpose.
You chose to vent in this blog, I chose to workout and complain to immediate family and co-workers and anyone who would listen.
I just saw no end, to an owner who owned the team and wasn’t going to sell, to be continually mad, or upset.
I always had hope, it’s easier to than to feel despair.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Raider Duck,,, NFL network
January 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Albert eff off u little pos, don’t respond to my comments
That was not a racist comment, more to do with hating pos’s like him getting rich from inheriting oil money then financing terrorists to bomb the us….these same people can actually buy an NFL franchise if they wanted to
And everyone knows you are the lil weasel troll MR on this blog
January 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Raiderduck:
Interesting. I think the first plan (the one supposedly downtown) with the riots after the Lakeshow championship a few years back could leave a bad taste in their mouth about Oakland fans (who rioted when we won the AFC and when we lost the superbowl, gotta love it).
Plus they have that massive Marriot/Four Seasons hotel/residency thing right there that’s supposed to be super high end AND they’re trying to attract more residents to downtown in general.
And based on what the Jags owner said today, they could be homeless really soon.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Actually I take that back…..we all know who really finances terrorists don’t WE
January 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
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IT WAS FRIGGIN URGENT!
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When I get home from work, my dogs are urgent for a treat.
They bark, they howl, they paw, and at the end of it all, they get their treat when I choose to give it to them.
The point is that no matter how much we howl, nothing happens until the man in charge provides, or dies.
Al has passed, all that wanted a new structure, (myself included), got their treat.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Thanks, Pretty Rick!
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825f0ce7/article/packers-dc-capers-on-raiders-list-of-candidates
It’s La Canfora, so take that into account however you wish.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Albert eff off u little pos, don’t respond to my comments
That was not a racist comment, more to do with hating pos’s like him getting rich from inheriting oil money then financing terrorists to bomb the us….these same people can actually buy an NFL franchise if they wanted to
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The Jag’s owner finances terrorists?
January 12th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Dom Capers is ot Reggie’s “guy”
January 12th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Albert eff off u little pos, don’t respond to my comments
That was not a racist comment, more to do with hating pos’s like him getting rich from inheriting oil money then financing terrorists to bomb the us….these same people can actually buy an NFL franchise if they wanted to
And everyone knows you are the lil weasel troll MR on this blog
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LOL, you are delusional. You are a racist f*cktard.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
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IT WAS FRIGGIN URGENT!
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When I get home from work, my dogs are urgent for a treat.
They bark, they howl, they paw, and at the end of it all, they get their treat when I choose to give it to them.
The point is that no matter how much we howl, nothing happens until the man in charge provides, or dies.
Al has passed, all that wanted a new structure, (myself included), got their treat.
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Wow Len,
I should of just said that and would have saved me 10 minutes of a comment back to KK.
KK, know’s of what we say, KK just needed to let others know often also.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
DOM CAPERS REALLY? wow someone had said McKenzie would be ART SHELL PT.2 Revisited, IM WORRY ABOUT THIS GUY, he may not know what hes doing, CAPERS good DC but HC come on
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d825f0ce7/article/packers-dc-capers-on-raiders-list-of-candidates?module=HP11_headline_stack
January 12th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Reggie handed hue his nuts and told him to go crack ‘em. what on Earth did anyone expect?
new regime. out with the dirty bathwater.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
“It ain’t Reggie. Me and him get along,” said Hue?
Hue, it’s business. Getting along is nice, but that’s as far as it goes.
Why can’t both of the positions be true? 1) That both Mark and Amy (and thus Madden) felt that there were some personality traits of Hue that MIGHT become issues if they hadn’t already and 2) They relayed this concern to Reggie and thus, Reggie was more comfortable in bringing in his own guy.
Or…when it became clear to Reggie soon after Al’s death that the Raider brain trust really did want him, why can’t we accept it’s altogether possible that he said, “Only if I can bring in my own guy if I discover I don’t want Hue for some reason”?
It’s really unimportant who initiated the “No” to Hue. What is important is that it’s clear Reggie is just fine with proceeding w/out Hue.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
The point is that no matter how much we howl, nothing happens until the man in charge provides, or dies.
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So, I just should have shut up. I get it.
January 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Albert Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Albert eff off u little pos, don’t respond to my comments
That was not a racist comment, more to do with hating pos’s like him getting rich from inheriting oil money then financing terrorists to bomb the us….these same people can actually buy an NFL franchise if they wanted to
And everyone knows you are the lil weasel troll MR on this blog
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LOL, you are delusional. You are a racist f*cktard.
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Wanna do something about it u pos f-gg-t, I will hire him to bomb ur grandmas basement where u live and watch porn , jerk it and post on this blog in between
January 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
The point is that no matter how much we howl, nothing happens until the man in charge provides, or dies.
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I guess, there’s no reason to post here at all, eh?
January 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Kell,
I think it had more to do with the repetition.
Kind of like being nagged.
All were aware, just bored with the harping.
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IT WAS FRIGGIN URGENT!
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When I get home from work, my dogs are urgent for a treat.
They bark, they howl, they paw, and at the end of it all, they get their treat when I choose to give it to them.
The point is that no matter how much we howl, nothing happens until the man in charge provides, or dies.
Al has passed, all that wanted a new structure, (myself included), got their treat.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Wow Len,
I should of just said that and would have saved me 10 minutes of a comment back to KK.
KK, know’s of what we say, KK just needed to let others know often also.
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We all have our ways of venting.
Personally, I don’t care for repeating the same thing over and over to those that are aware, and understand.
More so when I have no control on the outcome.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
If, one of you Bay Area guys were to have the misfortune of getting caught for hitting Mike Silver in the kneecap with a tire iron.
I, for one will gladly chip in for the bail amount. And I’m sure we can find a NATION member, who is a good Lawyer that would take the case pro-bono.
Mike Silver is a no class douchbag…..
January 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Personally, I don’t care for repeating the same thing over and over to those that are aware, and understand.
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I was in the MINORITY.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
In case some of u idiots calling me a racist didn’t know
Sahid Khan, the new jags owner, is a pakinstani, the country that harbored Osama
How is that for racist
January 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
In case some of u idiots calling me a racist didn’t know
Sahid Khan, the new jags owner, is a pakinstani, the country that harbored Osama
How is that for racist
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All Pakastani’s are racist?
January 12th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Boss01 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
In case some of u idiots calling me a racist didn’t know
Sahid Khan, the new jags owner, is a pakinstani, the country that harbored Osama
How is that for racist
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*Pakistani as in Pakistan where the most terrorists hail from
January 12th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Dell, called me all kinds of names for suggesting Al Davis had lost it. Now that he’s gone, “Oh we all knew”. shh.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
it does not matter what any of you think, nor what any columnist thinks, hue is just a minor footnote in the Raider story.
the only reason his existence is debated owes to instant blog access.
Reggie is now the man, along with Mark and Amy, and there isn’t a thing that pipsquaek whining ex-coaches nor hating writers can do about it.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I have mixed feelings about Hue getting fired.
Don’t know how genuine it was, but I appreciated the way he was always extremely respectful to Al Davis. Enjoyed the way he called Al ‘Coach’ and always talked up his ‘mentor’ and the Raiders.
Thought he did a decent enough job helping to resurrect the Raider offense.
Ultimately however, Hue sealed his own fate and he did so in a less than intelligent way.
Imagine you’re Mark Davis. You realize that your Dad’s passing has left an incredible organizational void that you are incapable of filling.
It’s pretty clear that you’re going to have to bring a GM in and let him run the football operations end of things.
A once promising season ends on a dismal note.
In his final angry press conference, your HC appears to be making a power grab. He doesn’t talk about sitting down with his boss and the staff and charting a course for the team – he unilaterally declares that he’s going to have a more powerful and decisive role in everything that transpires from now on.
Big mistake, Hue.
You were the HC, not the owner, not even the GM.
You overstepped your boundaries.
You very easily could have been fired based on performance alone, but that final post game conference surely sealed your fate.
You’re a charismatic guy and might turn out to be a good HC, Hue. Would have been nice if it happened here.
Thanks for your contributions to the Nation and good luck.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Personally, I don’t care for repeating the same thing over and over to those that are aware, and understand.
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I was in the MINORITY
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If you are referring to posting the same things over and over……no doubt.
If you feel that others did not want a new structure in the organization…not so.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
So glad the Human Scrotum is gone. The jig is up on this clown. No NFL team will ever touch this cancer again. Intelligent and charismatic? Don’t make me laugh. Never saw a more befuddled and goofy-looking guy on the sidelines in my life. A complete and utter embarrassment. This is what the organization finally realized..
January 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Personally, I don’t care for repeating the same thing over and over to those that are aware, and understand.
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I was in the MINORITY.
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KK,
I was raised to know, when the man(my dad) said to do something once, I got to it and if not completed, my butt was red for weeks.
Most of us in here, saw your repeated comments, and shared your frustration, but again what would have been the outcome of continually venting the same comments. We see your comments, once, twice, by the third time we got to know how you were feeling and understood you were mad. Mesasage received.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
If you are referring to posting the same things over and over……no doubt.
If you feel that others did not want a new structure in the organization…not so.
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Definitely so.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
KK,
Find one comment I called you names and I will apologize. You aren’t going to leave a blanket statement out there to justify your repeated hateful comments about Davis, so show me where I sad one nasty comment about you and again I will apologize.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dell, called me all kinds of names for suggesting Al Davis had lost it.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Dell, called me all kinds of names for suggesting Al Davis had lost it. Now that he’s gone, “Oh we all knew”. shh.
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I can’t speak to what Dell said, or didn’t say.
I don’t know.
What I have said was that any 80 year old person needs help.
I had advocated for someone that Al had regard/respect for to come into the front office and
help.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
You aren’t going to leave a blanket statement out there to justify your repeated hateful comments about Davis,
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See, I posted facts & figures, and he calls me hateful.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
RaiderLen, I always found you to be reasonable on the subject. Not Dell.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Raider Dell,
why offer any crumb to KK? the kid has been self-serving since the inception of this blog. no insight whatsoever. repetitive castigation has been his sole delight.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Personally, I don’t care for repeating the same thing over and over to those that are aware, and understand.
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I was in the MINORITY.
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KK,
I was raised to know, when the man(my dad) said to do something once, I got to it and if not completed, my butt was red for weeks.
Most of us in here, saw your repeated comments, and shared your frustration, but again what would have been the outcome of continually venting the same comments. We see your comments, once, twice, by the third time we got to know how you were feeling and understood you were mad. Mesasage received.
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This is exactly what I was speaking to.
Message received.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KK,
What facts and figures, where? You are stretching the truth and of course you know it.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Don’t try to piss backwards on it Kool.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
luvmarvhub Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
“It ain’t Reggie. Me and him get along,” said Hue?
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also possible this is what Hue’s agent (also Reggie’s agent) led him to believe
January 12th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Packer fans at work already blaming the Raiders organization for losing their game vs the giants on Sunday. .. LOL. They say all the distractions of which coaches on the greenbay staff will be making moves to Oakland can only hurt their chances vs NY. .. even though They might have a point.. it still cracks me up..I bet Thompson regrets giving permission to Reggie to interview for Raiders GM position…. too funny..
January 12th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
The two faces of HueSux.
Why did it take so long for JMac and Corky, and the rest of the Bay Area cess, err, press pool to figure HueSux out?
These BA beat writers better get with the new Raider program, and fvk the Silver’s of the world. The stakes are high now, how much do these “journalists” do to get the stadium issue resolved? I can think of how Jack Murphy, a real journalist, was able to promote the stadium that for many years had his name.
Could they at least begin to cover the team with some respect and stop speculating?
January 12th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Raider Dell,
why offer any crumb to KK? the kid has been self-serving since the inception of this blog. no insight whatsoever. repetitive castigation has been his sole delight.
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M,
This blog is self gratification, for a guy who can’t find one comment about me saying anything about his repeated comment of hate about Davis. I understand he plays this game and it’s always about him and how right he was.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
hopefully Reggie isn’t too far up the Packers a$$ to want to do everything just like the Packers do. Identify what worked over there and what didn’t but also identify what works in other organizations. Before Favre, didn’t the Packers suck for a long time?
January 12th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KK,
What facts and figures, where?
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You just said I was posting the W-L record over and over.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
luvmarvhub Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
“It ain’t Reggie. Me and him get along,” said Hue?
Hue, it’s business. Getting along is nice, but that’s as far as it goes.
Why can’t both of the positions be true? 1) That both Mark and Amy (and thus Madden) felt that there were some personality traits of Hue that MIGHT become issues if they hadn’t already and 2) They relayed this concern to Reggie and thus, Reggie was more comfortable in bringing in his own guy.
Or…when it became clear to Reggie soon after Al’s death that the Raider brain trust really did want him, why can’t we accept it’s altogether possible that he said, “Only if I can bring in my own guy if I discover I don’t want Hue for some reason”?
It’s really unimportant who initiated the “No” to Hue. What is important is that it’s clear Reggie is just fine with proceeding w/out Hue.
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Great comment!! you go Girl!!
January 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Raider Dell
as always. amen to your thoughts.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Dell, called me all kinds of names for suggesting Al Davis had lost it.
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KK,
Find me the comment of Names I called you?
January 12th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Why are they still talking about hue? He is fired MOVE ON!!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Dom Capers.
Hardly an exciting choice.
48-80 record as Head Coach, 1 winning record in 8 seasons and that was back in 1996 or 15 years ago.
You can’t even call Dom Capers the defensive Norv Turner, Norv has won a lot more.
And nobody seems to be able to explain why the GB Defense, with plenty of talent, can’t stop anyone this year.
Capers is without a doubt a capable guy, much more qualified than any other GB assistant but I doubt he’s the answer.
Now if they bring Dom Capers as HC and Winston Moss as DC so he can actually call a defense for the 1st time and get ready to take over in a couple of years, it would make more sense.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
This blog is self gratification, for a guy who can’t find one comment about me saying anything about his repeated comment of hate about Davis. I understand he plays this game and it’s always about him and how right he was.
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Hate about Al Davis you lying mfkr? I never “hated” Al Davis. He just needed to step down.
But you keep repeating that lie, because you didn’t want me questioning his moves.
And now you have the nerve to say you were on board with modernization? You lying pos.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Bob Marley Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Dom Capers.
Hardly an exciting choice.
48-80 record as Head Coach, 1 winning record in 8 seasons and that was back in 1996 or 15 years ago.
You can’t even call Dom Capers the defensive Norv Turner, Norv has won a lot more.
And nobody seems to be able to explain why the GB Defense, with plenty of talent, can’t stop anyone this year.
Capers is without a doubt a capable guy, much more qualified than any other GB assistant but I doubt he’s the answer.
Now if they bring Dom Capers as HC and Winston Moss as DC so he can actually call a defense for the 1st time and get ready to take over in a couple of years, it would make more sense.
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No to Dom Capers.
Not because I have any insight, I just don’t feel it.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Inon. .. very true… if it wasn’t for favre. . The packers would probably still suck now… just like the patriots with Brady… Reggie now planning on gutting the current coaching staff and the team… I assure you.. people will not be very tolerant of him if he starts really screwing things up.. I think we were a decent defense away from playing the patriots this weekend. . I’m cool with Reggie for right now. But it will soon be time to show me.. people who are kissing his ass right now like They dud with hue will be the first wanting him to go… watch??..
January 12th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
And regarding Dom Capers, don’t bring up Belichick or some other Coach who failed on his 1st job and became a hit in his second stint.
In this case, you’d have to come up with a Coach who failed in his first 2 jobs and nailed his 3rd chance, because this would be Dom’s 3rd shot.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
KK,
You have a hard time discussing your thoughts and points. To swear on this blog makes you look childish and hateful.
Some of those copy and paste articles you posted were hateful. Did you read them and copy them to the blog or did you find them necessary to have your point that Davis must step aside to justify your position.
So if your going to call me your typical POS, or MFKER, as you do in here a lot, please do so and remember, you are the one who posted all those hateful comments, not me.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Kk. .. losing your cool?? LOL.. I knew you were a loser!!.. if you can’t stand the heat. Stay away from the kitchen. ..bro..LOL.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Nothing kool about Kell..lol
January 12th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Raider Dell Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
KK,
You have a hard time discussing your thoughts and points. To swear on this blog makes you look childish and hateful.
Some of those copy and paste articles you posted were hateful. Did you read them and copy them to the blog or did you find them necessary to have your point that Davis must step aside to justify your position.
So if your going to call me your typical POS, or MFKER, as you do in here a lot, please do so and remember, you are the one who posted all those hateful comments, not me.
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True about the copy and paste.
Good way to “distance yourself” while also making a point.
January 12th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Dell..
Don’t worry about that dude.. when sully starts acting stupid. . He tells people to ignore him.. but laughs and likes to poke fun himself. .. yet he wont take his own advice. The more level headed you are the more he loses it.. I think its his age..
January 12th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Hue Jackson failed, point blank.
He undermined the head coach in 2010, and took as much credit for the offense and distanced himself from anything negative from that team as he took the HC job.
Maybe he deserved most if not all the credit, but as a HC, he didn’t improve anything, and while Al clearly untrusted him a ton of credit on his deathbed, Hue proved not to be trustworthy and a snake in the grass when given the ultimate test.
I hope he tears his rotator cuff patting himself on the back, on the way out the door.
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Truth!!!!
January 12th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
“The thing that bugs me most about this is the Raiders complaining they can’t make money because they don’t have an up to date stadium. The one they play in currently was remodeled with their input and sign off and our (Alameda county’s) tax dollars.”
Have you checked the seating capacities of other stadia? Ours is small, and even then, we’ve had a hard time filling it. Losing begets losing.
While the Raiders have radio stations that broadcast their games, they have a pitiful half hour pre-game show.
Al downsized everything.
January 12th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
luvmarvhub #354
You are correct. Marky Mark has missed the boat by lack of business sense and good judgment, same as AL.
With 29 yrs of losing seasons (except for the past 2 8/8’s and the Gruden anaomaly) AL shrank his fan base. Instead of searching for a stadium, Marky should build a bona-fide playoff contender: all good things come to a winner.
I have always believed a business never expands until it has definitely outgrown its current place of business, thus justifying the expansion.
In the Raiders case, they have outgrown nothing, but have gone the other way by failing to sell out their games.
It’s twisted logic Marky is using: I hope Reggie corrects Mark’s fallacy.
January 12th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
I have never “hated” AL Davis, just hated that he turned into a piece of crap the past 29 yrs, lost his greatness, was unable to resurrect that former greatness, then fell into dementia and delusion, and almost destroyed the club which was not his to destroy: AL held a 60% ownership interest and oppressed the minority owners, having committed fraud against them in the past to gain the majority share.
All youngsters – anyone under the age of 50 – have no business commenting about AL, since they never witnessed the true greatness of the Raiders pre-1984.
I wish they would just shut the F up about his Highness AL, blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, and preen in front of a mirror believing they have the value of a dead fly.
January 13th, 2012 at 8:48 am
GoodOle00 Says:
January 12th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
“Reggie McKenzie made it clear he has no intention of going into detail on why Jackson isn’t his coach. It seems clear McKenzie talked to enough people with the Whitlock perspective to be comfortable with Jackson going forward.”
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Maybe. Or maybe he liked Mark’s idea of destroying everything Davis did for 60 years and building whatever he wanted.
Who wouldn’t want a blank check to build your own team?
You never heard one word from Checkers about restoring Raider dominance, carrying on the fine Davis tradition or even the word “Al” come out of his bulldog jowls.
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Al didn’t need any help destroying what he created. He did it all by himself over the last 20 or so years. Time to move on.
January 13th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
This proves Hue had some players and not others. 2 perfectly talented guys seeing the same guy differently.
SORRY that proves the point he should be fired as HC. You can’t lead an army with half the soldiers…
All have to be willing to die for the general and leaders… and if only half will the other half will drag you down.
Hue knowing this instinctually threw the ones who didn’t care enough to fight under the buss!
And doing that is BAD LEADERSHIP!
Good luck Hue, we still love ya but there has to be a reckoning and you are in the way…
January 13th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Call it what you will Al is gone! Mark is in his place and a real business man knows how to delegate and delegate is what he’s doing, just like the rest of the NFL so please get off the how great we were lets see how great we can become!
we must keep the old memories for a base YES and Mark Davis has those.
Everything else should be in flux… Mark staying on his side of the fence and giving Reggie space to grow will build a forest here that should last and give fruit for a long time!!!
It is what it is lets see what happens but so far… Its looking SOLID!!!!
January 13th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Charisma only counts if you can back it up. No playoffs, no bully, no stopping penalties, no DMC. Hue is full ot it, period.
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