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Madden on his role in McKenzie hiring

Raiders coach John Madden talked about his role sitting in with owner Mark Davis during the interview of Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie on his KCBS radio spot on Wednesday:

Q: Isn’t this the first time in team history someone other than Al Davis is the Raiders GM?

Madden: They had close to a general manager when Bruce Allen was there and Jon Gruden was the coach. That was a time that Al was spending a lot of time in court, and I think Bruce Allen was kind of the acting general manager and go-between with Al being in court and Jon Gruden the coach.

Q: Your role in sitting down with Mark Davis in McKenzie interview? A lengthy conversation . . . six hours?

Madden: You have to have at least that much. My part wasn’t a big part. Mark was going to interview Reggie by himself, this wasn’t a two-way thing. He just asked me to sit in on it and so I did. I sat in on it and I kind of said to myself, self, before you go in there don’t talk too much, as I’m wont to do. The next thing I know I’m up there drawing on the board. So I really wanted to discipline myself to kind of sit on the side and, for the most part, shut up, and that’s what I did. I’m not saying that I was making any decisions or doing anything. I was sitting there, and there was the interview, and the discussion was primarily between Mark and Reggie.

Q: Not out of line with what you’re doing with your life at this point. You’re the sage in the room. You’ve been there . . .

Madden: Yeah, and been with the Raiders and been with Mark Davis, I mean, I’ve known Mark Davis all his life, and that was a place to go, and I was there. It kind of made sense. He just wanted to make sure that when he was talking, asking questions, that he didn’t miss anything. And he didn’t. He was prepared. I was very impressed with Mark. Mark kind of knew what he wanted. He knew who his guy was. His guy was Reggie McKenzie, and he just wanted to kind of have one last talk before he made that decision and everything was impressive and he made the decision.

Q: You approved of selection, what do you like about McKenzie as GM?

Madden: Most of the recommendation came from Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf hired Reggie originally. Reggie’s been with the Green Bay Packers for 17 years, and he was hired there by Ron Wolf, and Ron Wolf kind of got him started in scouting and brought him up through the ranks, so it was Ron’s recommendation and Ron, working with him, watching him in work. Ron still lives part time in Green Bay. Ron’s son works with Reggie. So there was a real knowledge there, a lot more, obviously than I have, so that’s where the knowledge of Reggie McKenzie really came from was through Ron Wolf to Mark..

Q: People want to find people they can work with . . is it about the football, the Xs and Os, or something other than that?

Madden: He wanted his guy. Like Reggie said he wanted his guy as coach, Mark wanted his guy in the organization in the football part of it, and really what he needed was a guy who was going to do the things that his dad did. And Al Davis was very heavily involved in everything, as everyone knows, but heavily involved in personnel, and scouting and signing, the salary cap and all those things. In essence, Mark had to hire someone to do the job that his dad did. And so this is kind of his guy in football and his guy running football operations, which is scouting, college scouting, pro scouting, all personnel, free agents, signing players, and then the coach, coaching ‘em, the whole thing, and he wanted someone that he could just give that to, and that guy was Reggie McKenzie.

Q: McKenzie said, I like big and strong, always will, I like speed, too. That’s not going to change. . .

Madden: That’s what you go for. That was always our thing. When you’re not sure, you get to that point in a draft or signing free agents where they’re not going to have everything, so you don’t start giving in to mediocrity and just saying, well this guy was a good little player, he’s this or that, you say, OK, we don’t know these guys and if we’re not sure they can really make it, let’s go for two things. He either has to be big or strong, or he has to be fast. And then if you hit on a guy, you’ve got a big, strong guy that can play or you’ve got a real fast guy that can play. You don’t want to compromise those two things.

Q: Like the way Mark Davis handled the news conference, impressed that he said he’s his own man and will be different from his dad . ..

Madden: Mark, instead of being hands-on, he’s an observer, and he’s a good observer. He kinds of sits and watches and listens and takes time to make a decision. That was the thing after Al passed away a lot of people want to talk to Mark, what are you going to do? What’s the thing? And Mark wasn’t ready to talk because he wasn’t ready to do anything. And he couldn’t do anything. When he could do something, at the end of the season, he went and he did it and I think that was a smart approach. Early, he had to make some decisions on the Carson Palmer thing, because that happened right away, but other than that, he could just sit and observe and think about what he wanted to do. And he observed a lot and put a lot of thought into it and then he came up with Reggie McKenzie.

Q: Taking an organization dominated by one man, now his son’s in charge and a general manager, everyone must be wrestling with the cultural change, saying, what do we do now?

Madden: That’s why he hired Reggie McKenzie. He’s going to put an organization together and I think it’s going to be structured around the personnel part and getting good players. It’s all about players, and we can talk about this thing and that thing and having good cheerleaders and all that stuff, and that’s all nice, but you’ve got to have players. If you have players, you’re probably going to win and if you don’t have players, you’re not going to win. So I think that’s going to be a big thing with them now is they’re going to go out and get the best players, and if they don’t have ‘em, they’re going to keep trying until they get them.

Q: You suggesting Raiderettes aren’t worth a half-point at any home game?

Madden: No, they’re not. Or are any of the other things, the scoreboard, making noise, any of that other stuff doesn’t count if you don’t have players.

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  • RaiderLen

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Pujols might hit more HR’s than the A’s 3-4-5 hitters combined.
    —————————-
    Seriously.

    Hope they get their ballpark in San Jose.

    No excuses for “tight waddery” then.

  • http://www.addictedtoquack.com RaiderDuck

    Paul Gutierrez is saying Cliff Branch could be the next WR coach.

  • RaiderLen

    Raider O Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
    I like our young WRs. Moore is our best WR, DHB (our most productive WR) is solid, and Ford can do a lot of things with speed.
    —————–
    Me too Raider O

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    Sullivan44 Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 1:52 pm

    Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 1:09 pm

    I was talking about how he does his business is similar to how his father used to operate so far.

    …………

    OMG, are you insane?

    Right off the bat Mark hires a GM, who himself will acquire and release all players at his choosing and appoint a head coach, who himself will hire his own staff, who themselves will build their own game plans and schemes.

    That’s running a business just like Al?

    Al made all personnel decisions sans maybe offensive assistants, and undoubtedly ran the defense.

    You are clearly in denial, Mistic. I really don’t think it’s hit you yet.
    ================

    sully try to remove your hate for everything al davis for a moment, i will lay out exactly what i see that makes jr, much like dear old dad.

    1.)he likes former raiders working in the organization, i dont need to name them all, but big mack is the latest addition in this category

    2.)he has a small inner circle of raiders that he relies on for input. See madden and ken herock and ron wolf who recommended big mack

    3.) he like to hire first time guys into important post within the organization,regardless of skin color or gender big mack fits this category, and our new hc if its moss also fits

    4.) he is quick to pull the trigger and fire coaches if he doesnt believe in him, ask hu jack, mike white joe bugel and lane kiffin

    5.) he stays in the background giving the coach enough rope to hang himself, just like sr. gave cable the silent treatment before he axed him

    6.)he believes in height weight speed, part of why big mack was brought in because he can evaluate talent according to the davis / wolf philosophy

    If you disagree with what i say here dont take my word for it, scroll through the interviews of big mack davis jr and madden over the last few days where all of these topics are clearly and directly addressed.

    sorry sully, the shadow of AL DAVIS LOOMS LARGE AND YOU CANT ESCAPE IT

  • Sandstone

    RaiderDuck Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Paul Gutierrez is saying Cliff Branch could be the next WR coach.
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    So that means we have a HC in place pickin out his staff? Is Chuck stayin?

  • 303Raider

    Bring In a defensive HC like when we brought in John Madden!!!

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    FA will be interesting, but not the same without Al. Al loved big name FAs.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cliff is moving up the ladder for sure.

    He was sitting right next to Mark the whole game in Houston, than ended up on the sidelines at the end of the game (in a killer suit).

    Than there he was at the presser, right up front.

    Might be Mark’s favorite player when Mark was young.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Len,

    Murphy is a good backup.

  • http://repealitnow.org MistaBrown

    Was mine.
    ____

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:11 pm

    Cliff is moving up the ladder for sure.

    He was sitting right next to Mark the whole game in Houston, than ended up on the sidelines at the end of the game (in a killer suit).

    Than there he was at the presser, right up front.

    Might be Mark’s favorite player when Mark was young.

  • aig-raiders

    Sanjay Lal aint garbage anymore I guess. Anyone that made DHB decent should def get noticed in this league.

  • http://0 Bob Marley

    If we’re gonna be looking at recycled coaching prospects such as Dom Capers…why not Steve Mariucci?.

    He spent time in GB when McKenzie was starting, don’t know if he would wanto to do it … but the guy is still young, he has to give it one more shot.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    251.RaiderLen Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Pujols might hit more HR’s than the A’s 3-4-5 hitters combined.
    —————————-
    Seriously.

    Hope they get their ballpark in San Jose.

    No excuses for “tight waddery” then.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Giants are going to fight that Len.

  • Just Fire Baby

    Cliff does charity stuff for the Children’s Hospital here in ABQ, and is at the Wal-Mart by my house selling autographed pics and stuff.

    Got one of him scoring a TD against the Eagles in the Super Bowl, about 3 feet from my computer screen.

  • RaiderLen

    Raider O Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
    Len,

    Murphy is a good backup.
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    I’d keep Murphy around…as a backup.

  • 303Raider

    Now that we have sanity to our Team we will keep the Great things that Al did well and mix in some modern sanity.

    Al’ legacy will still be honored but we will strive for continuity, players that are intelligent, and no more over signing FA’s that turn into busts once they come over to Oakland,…

  • RaiderLen

    ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    251.RaiderLen Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
    Pujols might hit more HR’s than the A’s 3-4-5 hitters combined.
    —————————-
    Seriously.

    Hope they get their ballpark in San Jose.

    No excuses for “tight waddery” then.

    ++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

    The Giants are going to fight that Len.
    ———————-
    Yep, they have been.

    I think at the end of the day the A’s wind up there anyway.

    I think we are supposed to hear something in the next few months.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Murphy is still under contract (I think).

  • RaiderLen

    303Raider Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
    Now that we have sanity to our Team we will keep the Great things that Al did well and mix in some modern sanity.

    Al’ legacy will still be honored but we will strive for continuity, players that are intelligent, and no more over signing FA’s that turn into busts once they come over to Oakland,…
    ————————
    Yvonn Walker comes to mind.

    Dude tried to quit AND give his money back, and AL talked him out of it.

    That was crazy.

  • RaiderLen

    Raider O Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
    Murphy is still under contract (I think).
    ———————
    I don’t know. If not, I wouldn’t stretch my wallet to keep him.

  • ENGLANDRAIDER

    The A’s should definitely get out of the Oakland Coliseum.
    What a dumb azz place to play baseball.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Just Fire Baby Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 2:55 pm

    DHB is big, but he is not Marshall or TO big.

    ====

    But he ain’t TO slow either. Not a bad combo. He’s surprised me as much by his lack of ability to get deep as he has by showing the physicality to drag guys for extra yards after the catch. Maybe he hit the weight room too hard and lost some speed because of the extra pounds?

  • RaiderLen

    ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
    The A’s should definitely get out of the Oakland Coliseum.
    What a dumb azz place to play baseball.
    ————————–
    I grew up going to the Colosseum and Candelstick.

    I’ve been to Pac Bell. That opened my eyes as to what a baseball only facility SHOULD be.

  • http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nNoi_wwzbtQ Zymurge

    Too much sun, lightens that up. Want to see a true Ginger, go to the Northeast.

    ====

    I’m pretty sure that Ireland is northeast of where ever most of the people here post from.

  • RaiderLen

    Bob Marley Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
    If we’re gonna be looking at recycled coaching prospects such as Dom Capers…why not Steve Mariucci?.

    He spent time in GB when McKenzie was starting, don’t know if he would wanto to do it … but the guy is still young, he has to give it one more shot.
    —————————
    I’m not endorsing Mariucci, but it’s an interesting thought, and one I’d never considered.

    I think IF he were offered the job he’d jump at it.

  • raiderinparadise

    Mooch? he wouldn’t be able to put a good staff togther, been out of it too long.

    Take any packer guy like moss and get more packer guys. and keep wyllie and wauffle and wiz and saunders at some degree

  • DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL

    STEVE MARIUCCI..NOW THERE IS A THOUGHT..

  • RaiderSam

    Raiderbuck Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
    RaiderDuck Says:
    January 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm

    Fisher went to the Rams.

    If McKenzie wants Bowles, he may have to jump today.
    ***********************************************

    Fisher is a very mediocre coach, don’t see what the big deal is.
    =========================================

    Jeff Fisher didn’t just have 6 winning seasons in Tennessee, He only had 5 losing seasons.

    Outside of McNair, Matthews, George, Wycheck, and Mason, The Titans had NOTHING on Offense beyond 2005 as none of them were on the team anymore. After this point, the next best player was Chris Johnson. Honestly, Fisher won 13 games in 2008 with Lendale White as his feature back and Kerry Collins under center – he did the most with the least, his teams always fought, and were among the most entertaining in the NFL – especially the Music City Miracle.

    He has a better record than Dom Capers, and he managed to do it with a team that moved from Houston to Tennesse. The irony is, they may end up moving to L.A., anyway.

  • al d. davis

    After watching the Saints/49′ers game this afternoon does anyone have any question as to what a defense should be? The Raiders “D” are queers and lady boys compared to the 9′ers. The Raiders “D” should be entirely blown up. The first to go should be the ebony sub-moron McClain, Richard (over-the-hill) Seymour, and all the dumbass CBs into including Rout. Maybe several defensive lineman should hang around until we make the transition, but only hang around until they can be replaced. Thinking back on the performance of our defense is both disgusting and shocking.

    Secondly, does anyone, after watching Harbaugh’s performance today, want to re-visit the pimpin, lying, cheating, BS’ing jackazz, thick skull, Cro-Magnon Man of a Jackson?? Can you imagine him being around next year ? YIKES!

    Lastly, does anyone, after watching the 49′ers today, having made a complete 180** turn around in the course of 1 season, think the Raiders can’t do the same ?

    I believe they (the Raiders) can turn around, and very soon.

  • RaiderSam

    “In addition to Packers LBs coach Winston Moss, the Raiders are reportedly interesting in talking to Green Bay DC Dom Capers about their head coaching vacancy.
    Capers’ name was “floated” in a report by NFL Network. Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie is said to be interested in talking to him “once the Packers season is concluded.” If McKenzie is limiting his search to Green Bay assistants such as Moss, Capers, OC Joe Philbin, and QBs coach Tom Clements, there’s no hurry to make a hire.

    Source; Rotoworld

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