Moss says he’s all ears when it comes to Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Monday, January 16th, 2012 at 6:35 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Former Raiders linebacker Winston Moss said Monday that he is willing to listen to Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie if he is interested in him for the team’s coaching vacancy.
“If the Raiders were to call and ask, I’ll be ready to speak with them,” Moss told the Associated Press, one day after the Packers were eliminated from the NFC Playoffs by the New York Giants. “But nothing’s changed from last week. I feel good where I’m at. If there’s an opportunity that comes up in the future, we’ll probably cross that bridge at that time. But at this present time, right now, not a lot to talk about.”
Moss is the assistant head coach of the Packers. He also coaches the inside linebackers.
He spent four of his 11 NFL seasons as a player on the Raiders. He still has fond memories of those days.
“At the time, Al Davis was there, Art Shell was my coach,” Moss said. “And we had good times. I had some of my better times as a player in the National Football League with the Raiders. Whatever I’ve taken from the past with the Raiders, and Al Davis not being there anymore, you’ve got to say going forward that it’s going to be different.
“It’s going to be different from the standpoint of, Reggie wants to go in a new direction, so I’ll sit down and speak with Reggie to get his vision, what direction he wants the organization to go in. That’s going to play a lot in to it.”
As I reported earlier today, McKenzie has said in the past that he would hire Moss as his head coach if he got the opportunity.
That opportunity came when the Raiders hired McKenzie last Tuesday, with owner Mark Davis giving McKenzie sole authority to hire the head coach.
Moss said he already has a firm grasp of what he wants to do if he gets a head coaching job.
“There’s always opportunities to put yourself in the same position as a head coach would and see how you would do things or what you would change or what you would add or what you would take away,” Moss said. “So with that being said, I’ve done that, I feel good about the vision, the goals, the beliefs that can be instilled within an organization that would give me the opportunity to be a head coach.”
In other news, ESPN reports that fired Raiders coach Hue Jackson will interview with the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday about their offensive coordinator vacancy.
Jackson filled that role with the Raiders in 2010 before he was promoted to replace the fired Tom Cable as head coach in 2011. Jackson will interview with recently hired Rams coach Jeff Fisher.
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January 16th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Moss!! He just sounds right. Like Harbaugh just sounded right for SF. Winston Moss just sounds right for us. Mark/McKenzie/Winston. Post Davis era officially under way. Let’s do this.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Looks like Hue will be interviewing for Rams OC job under Fisher.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Moss has a good attitude!
January 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
My hopes are that Al Saunders & our current offense survives. In addition, I think the following coaches are worth keeping:
• Bob Wylie – OL
• Steve Wiznewski – OL
• Kelly Skipper – RB
• Mike Waufle – DL
• Rod Woodson – DB
Can’t really comment on the others.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seriously? Hue for OC in St Louis…should be interesting considering that Spags has an interview with Fisher coming back to the Rams as DC! If he takes Waufle with him…oh boy!
January 16th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
5.hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:39 pm
Seriously? Hue for OC in St Louis…should be interesting considering that Spags has an interview with Fisher coming back to the Rams as DC! If he takes Waufle with him…oh boy!
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Gregg Williams is the Rams’ new DC.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
“Moss is the assistant head coach of the Packers. He also coaches the inside linebackers.”
Coaches the inside linbackers?? Thank you lord!
Gotta go with MR on this one, Moss sounding good.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I support Moss. New, young blood just itching to pull the trigger.
And he was a former Raider. You can’t beat that.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
If nothing else maybe he could get Romac & Curry to be a formidable force in the middle (assuming switching to a 3-4 defense). Just keep Saunders and the offense in place.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
Somebody nedds to tip off Mark to a good hair stylist. That eccentric style just is to fckng freak.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Chubs McKenzie and Moss will quickly identify if Romac has any hope of being an NFL level ILB.
If not, shift him over to FB and cut his check.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Now that the majority of non-football trolls have gone, I’ll repost my manifesto.
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff • Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily) • FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott • Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell • New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car) • Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock • Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS • New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG • Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Mark’s haircut is strange. Indicative of someone who lives an isolated life. What friends would let him look like that? He’s a lot like his dad. Keeps to himself, a few friends and confidants, makes no effort to meet new people, haircut that’s 3 decades outdated, like Al’s grease lightening cut.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
sorry about the formatting earlier:
Now that the majority of non-football trolls have gone, I’ll repost my manifesto.
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff
• Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily)
• FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott
• Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell
• New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car)
• Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock
• Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS
• New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG
• Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
In other news, ESPN reports that fired Raiders coach Hue Jackson will interview with the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday about their offensive coordinator vacancy.
Jackson filled that role with the Raiders in 2010 before he was promoted to replace the fired Tom Cable as head coach in 2011. Jackson will interview with recently hired Rams coach Jeff Fisher.
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January 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Not bad JB…agree with list of restructures…
Not sold on Franklin but think Huston could hold up at NT.
Boyd and Boller: gone.
Heyer to LG. Zach Hurd or B. Campbell to RG, Barksdale at RT.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Here are the players scheduled to become free agents in March:
•TE Jermichael Finley
•QB Matt Flynn
•C Scott Wells
•CB Jarrett Bush
•RB Ryan Grant
•DE Howard Green
•CB Pat Lee
•LB Erik Walden
We could see some of these players on our roster next year?
January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
You know my ex boss at my old job was friends with Mark Davis. Used to golf with him and everything. Too bad I have no number or anything to get a hold of this guy. He’s not on FB or anything as far as I know, either. There’s my inside connection to the Raiders, right there.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Mark’s haircut is strange. Indicative of someone who lives an isolated life. What friends would let him look like that? He’s a lot like his dad. Keeps to himself, a few friends and confidants, makes no effort to meet new people, haircut that’s 3 decades outdated, like Al’s grease lightening cut.
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A person can really read a lot into that hair doo. I’m sure your right on with your analysis, but I cant get past the freak.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Marks cut is only 3 decades old?
No way. Dude looks like Moe from the Three Stooges, and that was like 90 years ago.
January 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Why are some people suggesting trading DHB? That makes sense; trade our most productive receiver this season who has improved each year he has been here, for a draft pick and unproven player. At one point, Hue decreased his playing time, which more than likely prevented him from reaching 1,000 yds.
DUMB.
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I agree. Where some of the posters in here get their ideas is fully beyond me. Just thank the Good Lord they are not anywhere near any responsibility for any decisions even for a high school level program.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
# JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Now that the majority of non-football trolls have gone, I’ll repost my manifesto.
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff
• Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily)
• FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott
• Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell
• New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car)
• Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock
• Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS
• New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG
• Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
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My name is the ArmChair GM…
and I APPROVE this message.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Seymour, agreed…but if the GM and HC want draft picks, they will have to trade players with trade value.
#1 on the list? DHB…
January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Here are the players scheduled to become free agents in March:
•TE Jermichael Finley
•QB Matt Flynn
•C Scott Wells
•CB Jarrett Bush
•RB Ryan Grant
•DE Howard Green
•CB Pat Lee
•LB Erik Walden
We could see some of these players on our roster next year?
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Howard Green was a waiver wire pickup, played NT for them and did a very good job in 2010. Pat Lee played a very good corner in the 2nd half in last years Super Bowl.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Seymour, agreed…but if the GM and HC want draft picks, they will have to trade players with trade value.
#1 on the list? DHB…
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Why would you trade your number one WR unless you have someone right behind him to exceed his production? Right now the guys you would probably trade would be Kevin Boss, sign and trade Campbell?, McClain, Mitchell and Routt. Possibly Mike Huff.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
# ArmChair GM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
# JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Now that the majority of non-football trolls have gone, I’ll repost my manifesto.
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff
• Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily)
• FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott
• Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell
• New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car)
• Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock
• Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS
• New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG
• Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
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My name is the ArmChair GM…
and I APPROVE this message.
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JB I would also add Paul Soliai NT 6′4, 355lbs from the Miami Dolphins to my free agent list as an alternative to Aubrayo Franklin.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
DVD to FS? He better add on some weight and learn how to tackle.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Fellas as much as I hate to say it, we are going to find out how good of a personnel and judge of talent Reggie is sooner rather than later. Because we are going to need a slew of undrafted guys to come in here and compete for positions.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Idk how he would do as a head coach but moss looks like he can still lace em up and help our run D
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Miami had a very sound defense…and Paul Soliai was their NT. I would cut Tommy Kelly to save money and get Soliai.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann
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Curious JB, what do you think we would get from trading those guys?
Lito Sheppard and McCann were recently unemployed for half the season, doubt anyone would trade a strawberry soda for either of those two.
MM34 is a bum, he wouldn’t garner any interest.
TK and CJ37 are way overpaid, but productive enough to maybe get a 6th rounder or so.
Lou Murphy might get the Kirk MOrrison treatment, package him on draft day to move up 15-20 spots.
Basically, none of those guys are going get spit back in return.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
# MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
DVD to FS? He better add on some weight and learn how to tackle.
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I agree. DVD doesn’t have good football instincts right now. And he’s way too skinny to be a factor in the middle of the field.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
morilla Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I support Moss. New, young blood just itching to pull the trigger.
And he was a former Raider. You can’t beat that.
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The one thing I don’t know about Moss at all (as he’s never even been a Coordinator) is how well he can game plan and stragegize. You really have to be able to adjust and adapt to your personnel and to the changes in the NFL and to the opponent. It takes a really bright football mind to be able to do that.
That’s my only doubt about this guy.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Cutting TK might save money, but it may not save salary cap space.
Remember our GM is no longer the owner (i.e the one making the money) so he cares MASSIVELY more about salary cap space than the Oakland Raiders bottom line.
Different frame of mind moving forward now.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann
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Curious JB, what do you think we would get from trading those guys?
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Not too much. The main point is that they are basically dead weight taking someone else’s roster spot. We can do much better.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
Why are some people suggesting trading DHB? That makes sense; trade our most productive receiver this season who has improved each year he has been here, for a draft pick and unproven player. At one point, Hue decreased his playing time, which more than likely prevented him from reaching 1,000 yds.
DUMB.
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I agree. Where some of the posters in here get their ideas is fully beyond me. Just thank the Good Lord they are not anywhere near any responsibility for any decisions even for a high school level program.
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Fans who can’t separate the good from the bad so just want to burn down the whole thing and think every single player we have is not as good as some unproven draft pick or mystery player.
Conversely, if the defense made an extra play or two in say the Buffalo, Detroit or SD games and made it into the playoffs they’d be collecting funds to resurrect a DHB statue.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Players with actual trade value (guys we could move straight up for a mid round pick or better):
Ford, Moore, Palmer, Veldheer, Wiz, McFadden, Desmond Bryant.
Other than that, teams will start busting up laughing if we call and offer the rest of our overpaid crew.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Brandon McKinney (BAL) – DT
Amobi Okoye (CHI) – DT
Jonathan Fanene (CIN) – DT
Pat Sims (CIN) – DT
Brodrick Bunkley (DEN) – DT
Marcus Thomas (DEN) – DT
Andre Fluellen (DET) – DT
Howard Green (GB) – DT
Eric Foster (IND) – DT
Nate Collins (JAC) – DT
Leger Douzable (JAC) – DT
C.J. Mosley (JAC) – DT
Kelly Gregg (KC) – NT
Paul Soliai (MIA) – NT
Fred Evans (MIN) – DT
Letroy Guion (MIN) – DT
Shaun Rogers (NO) – DT
Trevor Laws (PHI) – DT
Red Bryant (SEA) – DT
Gary Gibson (STL) – DT
Frank Okam (TB) – DT
Vance Walker (ATL) – DT – Restricted
Ryan McBean (DEN) – DT – Restricted
Sammie Lee Hill (DET) – DT – Restricted
Kyle Love (NE) – DT – Exclusive Rights
Antonio Dixon (PHI) – DT – Restricted
Steve McLendon (PIT) – DT – Exclusive Rights
Clinton McDonald (SEA) – DT – Exclusive Rights
Jermelle Cudjo (STL) – DT – Exclusive Rights
Malcolm Sheppard (TEN) – DT – Exclusive Rights
FYI
January 16th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Absolutely do not trade DHB.
We have paid him all his big-time guaranteed money, and can now be a productive player for the pay.
DHB and Moore are your starting WR’s next year, and will be a damn good tandem.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Kelly Gregg would be a great pickup.
He anchored the Ravens 3-4 NT position for almost 10 years, and rarely missed more than a game or two a season.
Probably not much left in the tank, but he would be way better than John Henderson.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann
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CJ, Sheppard and McCann most likely won’t be back so they have no value to anyone.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Here are the players scheduled to become free agents in March:
•TE Jermichael Finley
•QB Matt Flynn
•C Scott Wells
•CB Jarrett Bush
•RB Ryan Grant
•DE Howard Green
•CB Pat Lee
•LB Erik Walden
We could see some of these players on our roster next year?
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There’s a lot more than that list. Here’s a good link for the 2012 FA’s: http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
January 16th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Former #Raiders coach Hue Jackson scheduled to interview with the Rams for their offensive coordinator’s job, according to ESPN.
39 minutes ago
January 16th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
From 2002 through last year, other than one season when he was IR’d in camp, Gregg missed all of two games.
He is the value cheap pickup that would be a great start to McKenzie’s GM career.
If Al were at the helm, he would probably throw ridiculous money at Shaun Rogers and watch him half azz it from week to week.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
Thanks JB!
January 16th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Sam Bradford is about to get the Avon sales pitch.
Feel bad for the guy.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
BTW that is probably Jackson’s agent spinning that crap about Jackson interviewing for the job with Fisher. BSPN has linked Jackson to a couple of things that completely evaporated.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I happen to think TK is far better than most in here give him credit for. Guy has led the league in sacks from the DT position over the last two seasons. I also think the run D issues are more on the linebackers, especially McClain. Never see TK getting blown off the ball. Quite the opposite actually. Not uncommon to see him blowing a guard into the backfield.
Curious to see what McKenzie and co. think. I think TK stays. Seymour too. I think McClain is 50/50 to make it.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Marks cut is only 3 decades old?
No way. Dude looks like Moe from the Three Stooges, and that was like 90 years ago.
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Three decades? It is closer to three centuries old than three decades. It is more like 500 years too old.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Kelly Gregg would be a great pickup.
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Kelly Gregg has waaaay toooo much mileage on him.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
As long as Hue coaches a NFC team, I am fine with that.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann
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Curious JB, what do you think we would get from trading those guys?
Lito Sheppard and McCann were recently unemployed for half the season, doubt anyone would trade a strawberry soda for either of those two.
MM34 is a bum, he wouldn’t garner any interest.
TK and CJ37 are way overpaid, but productive enough to maybe get a 6th rounder or so.
Lou Murphy might get the Kirk MOrrison treatment, package him on draft day to move up 15-20 spots.
Basically, none of those guys are going get spit back in return.
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Agreed.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
TK would be great if he made 3 million a year.
Instead, we pay him more than the Pats pay for Vince Wolfork.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
If you guys watched the Mckenzie presser, the issue of the Raiders lack of draft picks was asked more than once.
Mckenzie said that the draft is only ONE way to improve the team. He specifically mentioned that the Raiders would attack the Free Agency market as well as use advanced scouting to find players that go undrafted (like Victor Cruz.
Don’t bet on a wholesale trade of players that are difference makers like Ford, Moore, Palmer, Veldheer, Wiz, McFadden, Desmond Bryant.
Not gonna happen folks.
JB’s analysis is spot on give or take a couple of pieces. New coaches and a dozen roster moves primarily on defense will have this team a SB contender in 2 years.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
JB I would also add Paul Soliai NT 6′4, 355lbs from the Miami Dolphins to my free agent list as an alternative to Aubrayo Franklin.
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Don’t know him well but I’ll take your word for it. How likely is Miami to let him get away? Most of my suggestions considered their likely avaibility – either they are PO’d at their current team; they are on the older side; they were abused by their home team in contract talks; not likely to be too expensive (except for DJackson).
January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
Cutting TK might save money, but it may not save salary cap space.
Remember our GM is no longer the owner (i.e the one making the money) so he cares MASSIVELY more about salary cap space than the Oakland Raiders bottom line.
Different frame of mind moving forward now.
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True, but bottom line will have to signed off.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
If we paid TK 3 million a year, we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him. Definately a 3rd.
Instead, he makes $6 million a year, and no team will give us anything for him.
It will take McKenzie a few years to get out from this mess.
If we can stay mostly injury-free next year, we should be fine and improve from 8-8.
But just like last year, depth is going to be a major issue due to Kamerion Wimbley, Boss and Seymour making the Goldman Sachs CEO’s salary look fair.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
JB I would also add Paul Soliai NT 6′4, 355lbs from the Miami Dolphins to my free agent list as an alternative to Aubrayo Franklin.
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Don’t know him well but I’ll take your word for it.
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Dudes they franchised Soliai. I don’t know if they are ready to just give up on him.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:26 pm
If we paid TK 3 million a year, we could probably get a 2nd rounder for him. Definately a 3rd.
Instead, he makes $6 million a year, and no team will give us anything for him.
It will take McKenzie a few years to get out from this mess.
If we can stay mostly injury-free next year, we should be fine and improve from 8-8.
But just like last year, depth is going to be a major issue due to Kamerion Wimbley, Boss and Seymour making the Goldman Sachs CEO’s salary look fair.
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Gotta Keep Seymour base on His contract.
Waive Boss, restructure Wimbley.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann
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Curious JB, what do you think we would get from trading those guys?
Lito Sheppard and McCann were recently unemployed for half the season, doubt anyone would trade a strawberry soda for either of those two.
MM34 is a bum, he wouldn’t garner any interest.
TK and CJ37 are way overpaid, but productive enough to maybe get a 6th rounder or so.
Lou Murphy might get the Kirk MOrrison treatment, package him on draft day to move up 15-20 spots.
Basically, none of those guys are going get spit back in return.
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JFB
My intent was to identify players who are going to be gone that MAY have some trade value. TKelly probably has the most value – might get a 4th or 5th on him. CJohnson & LMurphy a 6th or 7th. Otherwise you are probably right. But, no harm in asking.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
If Jackson could get the Raiders from 12 ppg to 26 ppg in one season with Campbell and Grads I think he could do aight with Bradford, Steven Jackson and co. Although thir line is pretty atrocious.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Seriously, just draft or sign players that will compliment the productive ones we have on our roster now. This is the best bet. Keeping our O.C would make me happy as well.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Howard Green is a bit of an intriguing guy. Certainly cheap and played well for them at times. I don’t know alot about him because I don’t see many of their games. Our problems are more on the ends than the tackles and Green might be able to play both.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I sure as hell hope we see some moves that we can clearly identify as a move towards getting better on the D.
The semis in here know what they should be, generally speaking.
This will be one of the most interesting Off Seasons ever.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
If Jackson could get the Raiders from 12 ppg to 26 ppg in one season with Campbell and Grads I think he could do aight with Bradford, Steven Jackson and co. Although thir line is pretty atrocious.
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The increase in point production was not about adding Jackson. It was about subtracting Jamarcus, Javon, Chokie Lee, Mario Henderson, Erik Pears, Fargas and Luke Lawton. Addition by subtraction clearly.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
This will be one of the most interesting Off Seasons ever.
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I think this WILL be the most interesting off season EVER.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Chris in NY
Agree with you on TK. Our run D is bad and it gets worse when Romac is not playing. I think his rookie year Marshall hurt his progress a lot. You may recall him telling players not to always stay in their assignment but to go make plays, then cited a Rolando play as his example of what he wanted. Ever since then it seems Rolando is free lancing and not in his gaps as much as he should be
January 16th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
This will be one of the most interesting Off Seasons ever.
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I think this WILL be the most interesting off season EVER.
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Can’t disagree….hedging a bit…with the unknown factor.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I stand corrected…just saw that…Greg Williams to the Rams…
January 16th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
Not sure about that…wasn’t he also working out with Brady’s QB guru in the offseason that one year?
January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Shaun Rodgers and Red Bryant are the two DTs on that list who interest me most. However, I think Seattle will definitely not let Bryant go.
Plus I, unlike probably anyone else in here, think TK and Seymour can still play at a high level and I really like Des Bryant as well. Houston is another guy who probably belongs at DT, so we’ve got four guys I wouldn’t move as it is anyway. Although Houston and Bryant are capable of playing DT or DE.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
• New FA to sign:
P Soliai (NT-MIAMI)or AFranklin (NT-NO),
A Spencer (OLB-Dal),
C Finnegan (CB-Ten),
Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea)Bye bye Michael Bush
Ben Grubbs (G-Bal)
Matt Flynn (QB-Green Bay) Would love to keep Jason Campbell but I honestly don’t see him staying.
This anchors our Defensive line and linebacker issues for an effective 3-4 defense. It also strengthens our as well as our secondary and offensive line, and gives us the scariest running back combo in the entire league.
We can fill out the roster through the draft picks we do have including the compensatory picks and undrafted free agents.
Bye Bye:
Kyle Boller
Michael Bush
TJ Housh
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schillens
Khalif Barnes
Samson Satele
John Henderson
Trevor Scott
Tommy Kelly
Darryl Blackstock
Quentin Groves
Mike Mitchell
Chris Johnson
Jerome Boyd
and I’m sure there’s more!
The ArmChair GM has spoken.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
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I’ll give Hue credit for McFadden. ie…what plays are you most comfortable running”
DHB was entering his 3rd season, the average “blooming time” for a WR in the NFL.
See Fred B and C Branch as reference.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
Oh Yeah…Campbell and Grads are so good I’m sure other teams will be clambering for them to be their starters…
January 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Raiderlen
I think this offseason will be a lot like the Saints’ after they used all their picks to get Ricky. We will pragmatic and use free agency as our draft.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
• New FA to sign:
P Soliai (NT-MIAMI)or AFranklin (NT-NO),
A Spencer (OLB-Dal),
C Finnegan (CB-Ten),
Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea)Bye bye Michael Bush
Ben Grubbs (G-Bal)
Matt Flynn (QB-Green Bay) Would love to keep Jason Campbell but I honestly don’t see him staying.
This anchors our Defensive line and linebacker issues for an effective 3-4 defense. It also strengthens our as well as our secondary and offensive line, and gives us the scariest running back combo in the entire league.
We can fill out the roster through the draft picks we do have including the compensatory picks and undrafted free agents.
Bye Bye:
Kyle Boller
Michael Bush
TJ Housh
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schillens
Khalif Barnes
Samson Satele
John Henderson
Trevor Scott
Tommy Kelly
Darryl Blackstock
Quentin Groves
Mike Mitchell
Chris Johnson
Jerome Boyd
and I’m sure there’s more!
The ArmChair GM has spoken.
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Sounds like a great wish list.
How much does it cost, and how does it fit under the cap?
January 16th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Out of that list…not sure about Courtland Finegan…that guy has had a history of being a head case…maybe not anymore, but he did get his ass kicked by Blount.
I am kinda so so on Bush…if we can get Lynch back home…maybe! Big John may retire this year…who knows! He is good when he is in, but age and injuries have caught up with him! Franklin from NO could be intriguing… considering we do need one!
January 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Hwnrdr
I mean more in terms of getting him to be accountable and motivating him. He could relate to him better than any coach we had on the staff
January 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Raiderlen
I think this offseason will be a lot like the Saints’ after they used all their picks to get Ricky. We will pragmatic and use free agency as our draft.
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I hope we are pragmatic.
Hearing Reggie, I expect that to be the case.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Don’t know if it’s been mentioned here yet but Saints GM has confirmed granting permission for Raiders to talk with Carmichael about HC position.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
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No, I think Jackson just happened to be there when those two players started to bloom.
On the free agent front I have to say I REALLY like Calais Campbell from Az altho he plays the same position as Shaughnessy. I would also raid the Whiners LB corp getting Larry Grant and Ahmad Brooks. Both of those guys could come fairly cheaply.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Why so much MM34 hate? Guy’s a backup safety who plays with a lot of enthusiasm and has played pretty well for the most part, IMO. Shut down Finley vs. GB. I know he gave up the TD to Gates in the finale, but it was also a perfect throw and Gates got away with a subtle push coming out of the break that got him separation. Regardless, is that one play the reason for the hate or what is it?
January 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Hue got more production out of McFadden and DHB, but that’s far from the whole story. DMac got healthy. That had more to do with his improvement than anything. That, and Kelly Skipper working with him on his pad level.
DHB has worked his ass off for three years. Hence, the improvement.
Both are extremely well-conditioned athletes that work very hard at their jobs.
Jamarcus didn’t care. He could have had Bill Walsh as his personal coach and he still would have failed.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Hwnrdr
I mean more in terms of getting him to be accountable and motivating him. He could relate to him better than any coach we had on the staff
Maybe…I guess we will never know, considering he was let go shortly after JC came here…
January 16th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
We might as well get Moss. I prefer to have everyone on the same page with the same trust from top down so there is no excuses…in the event we dont perform. It’s easier to get rid of them if they fail.
Cwoodson is owed a $5 mil bonus next year. I hope we bring him back home and have him finish out the career with us. He can play FS and would instantly be better than anyone on our back field. We can trade Huff for a 3rd rounder.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
JayGlazer Jay Glazer
Raiders GM Reggie McKenzie currently scheduled to come to Denver wednesday to interview Broncs coords Mike McCoy and Dennis Allen
January 16th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
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Exactly.
DHB I’m not sure about. I still don’t think he’s fully “there” but definitely improving by leaps and bounds compared to his first year when he dropped like 70% of the passes that went his way.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I do want CWood to come back home! At least for one year! We need veteran presence, I mean true veteran presence back there!
And why does Fozzy Bear have to go to Denver to interview them???
January 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
ArmChair GM Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
• New FA to sign:
P Soliai (NT-MIAMI)or AFranklin (NT-NO),
A Spencer (OLB-Dal),
C Finnegan (CB-Ten),
Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea)Bye bye Michael Bush
Ben Grubbs (G-Bal)
Matt Flynn (QB-Green Bay) Would love to keep Jason Campbell but I honestly don’t see him staying.
This anchors our Defensive line and linebacker issues for an effective 3-4 defense. It also strengthens our as well as our secondary and offensive line, and gives us the scariest running back combo in the entire league.
We can fill out the roster through the draft picks we do have including the compensatory picks and undrafted free agents.
Bye Bye:
Kyle Boller
Michael Bush
TJ Housh
Louis Murphy
Chaz Schillens
Khalif Barnes
Samson Satele
John Henderson
Trevor Scott
Tommy Kelly
Darryl Blackstock
Quentin Groves
Mike Mitchell
Chris Johnson
Jerome Boyd
and I’m sure there’s more!
The ArmChair GM has spoken.
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Sounds like a great wish list.
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I don’t think we need to blow up the team. We need better head Coaching, we need more of a run stuffing ILB and we need more of a pass rush. Calais, Grant, and Brooks would provide all of that. Other than coaching.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
TK might get a 4th or 5th.You want to trade a proven top of the line DT for a 4th or 5th rd pick.I’m just using TK as an example,but I believe some of you have lost your minds.You don’t trade a proven NFL player for a 5th round pick who might not even make your team.It is ludicrous.
January 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Why so much MM34 hate?
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Chris he’s terrible. Can’t play at this level. Waaaay too much of a reach in the 2nd round. Should have been a 5th or 6th rounder.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
#91. Thank you Lefty. I always appreciate when someone with some reason comes in here.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
So Seymour you don’t think that Hue would have gotten more out of Jamarcus? Hue also got significantly more production out of McFadden and DHB
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severeraiderz,
Just remember that no matter what color you paint a turdd, it’s still a turdd. JaLoser was damaged goods the day he arrived. He set us back 5 years. Enough about this loser. He’s already wasted enough of all our time.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
You can say “the players just started blooming when Hue came as OC” and put it on “luck of timing”. Or you can give credit where credit is due.
I say having a new DC go over to Houston this year DRAMATICALLY changed that team. You could say the players suddenly played better this year, but I’d give the credit to who laid out the scheme and put everyone in position.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raiderlen
You guys can’t try to pull that stuff abut DHB blossoming now, many of you said he was a bust. If he was a bust, then Hue salvaged his career. If he simply blossomed then Hue put him in position to do so. I’ve been a DHB fan since day one and even I recognize the plays being called put him in a much better position to catch and run, something I’ve been advocating for a while
January 16th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Saw Ray Lewis attacking the FB and shed him to get to Foster yesterday. I believe 99.9% of our LB problem vs the Run is due to their inability to attack vs sit back and adjust.
It’s all physics. The man running full speed at you with all that momentum will always beat the man standing flat footed. Whatever the reason is I’m sure the new coach will solve that. McClain has to be the one attacking vs sitting back there waiting for the blocker.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:57 pm
TK might get a 4th or 5th.You want to trade a proven top of the line DT for a 4th or 5th rd pick.I’m just using TK as an example,but I believe some of you have lost your minds.You don’t trade a proven NFL player for a 5th round pick who might not even make your team.It is ludicrous.
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My interpretation of the pro Trade Kelly posts is two fold.
Get a Pick, and free up cap space.
In that light, I’m good with it.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
Pete Carmichael interviews with Raiders
January, 16, 2012
Jan 165:20PM ETEmailPrintComments12By Pat YasinskasThe New Orleans Saints could lose more than one coordinator.
Offensive coordinator Pete Carmichael reportedly has interviewed for the job as head coach of the Oakland Raiders. That comes after defensive coordinator Gregg Williams left to join Jeff Fisher with the St. Louis Rams.
I don’t think there was a strong attempt by the Saints to keep Williams, whose contract expired at the end of the season. That’s because Williams’ defense had struggled since after the team’s Super Bowl championship in the 2009 season.
But I don’t think Carmichael is a guy the Saints want to lose. He’s a favorite of quarterback Drew Brees, and the two worked together in San Diego. Carmichael also is highly thought of by New Orleans coach Sean Payton.
After Payton suffered a broken leg in a midseason game at Tampa Bay, he let Carmichael take over play-calling duties. Even after Payton’s leg healed, he let Carmichael continue to call the plays.
Around the league, Carmichael is viewed as an intellectual. But he also has a very quiet public demeanor. When interviewing with the media, Carmichael comes across as shy and guarded.
Those traits could work against him with other teams. But they could work in Carmichael’s favor with the Raiders, who have always been known for operating very quietly.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
AIG, also, he has the presence to know where the play was going! He is one of the best, if not the best! If McClain could learn to be that…I’ll proudly dust off his jersey and wear it again!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
Shaun Rodgers and Red Bryant are the two DTs on that list who interest me most. However, I think Seattle will definitely not let Bryant go.
Plus I, unlike probably anyone else in here, think TK and Seymour can still play at a high level and I really like Des Bryant as well. Houston is another guy who probably belongs at DT, so we’ve got four guys I wouldn’t move as it is anyway. Although Houston and Bryant are capable of playing DT or DE.
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Chris,
All my assumptions are based on us changing to a 3-4 defense. Seymour and Bryant are natural 3-4 DE’s. Houston & Kelly could most likely spell the new FA NT in rotation. Plus they’ll be available if we shift back to a 4-3 when appropriate. Shaughnessy & Moss should be able to rotate in the DE spots.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
JB
I wanted Calvin Johnson and actually that offseason was when I discovered this blog. I argued that CJ should be our pick and that he was the safest pick of the draft. I never wanted Russel but I rooted for him hard to turn it around, many of us wanted his success more than he did
January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raiderlen
You guys can’t try to pull that stuff abut DHB blossoming now, many of you said he was a bust. If he was a bust, then Hue salvaged his career. If he simply blossomed then Hue put him in position to do so. I’ve been a DHB fan since day one and even I recognize the plays being called put him in a much better position to catch and run, something I’ve been advocating for a while
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I’m not “pulling” anything. I’m not a blog personality, but all of my posts about DHB have revolved around work ethic and patience.
I pulled up the statistics about Freddy B and Cliff B as the season got underway to UNDERLINE my point of Patience.
DHB got better because of hard work and playcalling.
Play calling that came from Al Saunders.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
AIG, also, he has the presence to know where the play was going! He is one of the best, if not the best! If McClain could learn to be that…I’ll proudly dust off his jersey and wear it again!
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True. But he was known as a film addict so he prob does know where the play is running. It’s the lack of attacking that drives me crazy. Just sit there and get ran over by the FB is unacceptable.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Why so much MM34 hate?
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Chris he’s terrible. Can’t play at this level. Waaaay too much of a reach in the 2nd round. Should have been a 5th or 6th rounder.
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I disagree. With all due respect, I think fans are still hung up on that criticism and looking for fall guys. MM34 gave up the TD to Gates and has been getting blasted in here ever since. Never heard 1% this much MM34 hate before that. I think he’s a good player who hasn’t had much of a chance with Branch firmly entrenched as a starter when he got here.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
ArmchairGM, #74
I might keep Satele as a backup at center. I don’t believe we have anyone other than Veldheer with center experience and I want to keep him at LT.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Agreed AIG Agreed!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raiderlen
You guys can’t try to pull that stuff abut DHB blossoming now, many of you said he was a bust. If he was a bust, then Hue salvaged his career. If he simply blossomed then Hue put him in position to do so. I’ve been a DHB fan since day one and even I recognize the plays being called put him in a much better position to catch and run, something I’ve been advocating for a while
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I’m not “pulling” anything. I’m not a blog personality, but all of my posts about DHB have revolved around work ethic and patience.
I pulled up the statistics about Freddy B and Cliff B as the season got underway to UNDERLINE my point of Patience.
DHB got better because of hard work and playcalling.
Play calling that came from Al Saunders.
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So now Saunders, not Hue, was calling the plays?
January 16th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Players we shouldn’t trade:
Offense:
DMC
Palmer
TP
Moore, Ford, and DHB
Veldheer and Wiz
Defense:
Matt S, Houston,
McClain, Curry, and Wimbley
Branch after we resign him, DVD, and Chekwa
I’m not saying we should trade TK, Seymour, or Routt, but I dont have a problem with it.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
So now Saunders, not Hue, was calling the plays?
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What was Saunders role?
His playbook…Passing game coordinator.
I overstepped. Hue called the plays.
Saunders laid out the plan.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
I forgot to add that we should resign Dez. He is a RFA.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
JB
I wanted Calvin Johnson and actually that offseason was when I discovered this blog. I argued that CJ should be our pick and that he was the safest pick of the draft. I never wanted Russel but I rooted for him hard to turn it around, many of us wanted his success more than he did
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We all wish they would have listened to you. Megatron is a BEAST.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
mm34 had a bad game but he is a player…
January 16th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
So now Saunders, not Hue, was calling the plays?
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What was Saunders role?
His playbook…Passing game coordinator.
I overstepped. Hue called the plays.
Saunders laid out the plan.
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So what about 2010. Was that Tom Cable’s offense?
January 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
all i know is that i never want to see the raiders play zone again….ever.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
So what about 2010. Was that Tom Cable’s offense?
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Nope
Hues.
DHB did notta but run clear outs and work hard.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
DHB would have improved no matter who was calling the plays due to his work ethic and desire.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raiderlen
Al Saunders HELPED with the game plan and never called a play
January 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raiderlen
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I’m not “pulling” anything. I’m not a blog personality, but all of my posts about DHB have revolved around work ethic and patience.
I pulled up the statistics about Freddy B and Cliff B as the season got underway to UNDERLINE my point of Patience.
DHB got better because of hard work and playcalling.
Play calling that came from Al Saunders.
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WRONG. Al didn’t call ANY of the plays. Hue called the plays. He also was the one who worked out DHB to run the more intermediate-to-shorter routes and how to utilize him best.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I wanted Jabustus, and I still think he was a better pick than AP & CJ.
The guy is 6′6, 270+, and a cannon for an arm. He was also in the SEC, had great #s, and he can move.
I still think he is the best QB prospect since Elway.
Imagine Big Ben, but faster, and a stronger arm!!!
He could have been great, if he wasn’t a lazy fat idiot.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
DHB would have improved no matter who was calling the plays due to his work ethic and desire.
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Nah, he still wasn’t great on the longer throws catching a low % of those this year. If the OC or HC just kept him “on the clearing route” he would still be ridiculed like crazy cause he still doesn’t adjust well to the balls thrown 20+ yards in the air.
He made a heck of an improvement on his YAC this year.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
You can say “the players just started blooming when Hue came as OC” and put it on “luck of timing”. Or you can give credit where credit is due.
I say having a new DC go over to Houston this year DRAMATICALLY changed that team. You could say the players suddenly played better this year, but I’d give the credit to who laid out the scheme and put everyone in position.
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Then you would have to give credit to Cable. It was Cables offense. Jackson was just calling plays in 2010. And if you want to give credit for game planning you would have to give credit to Al Saunders. I think it became very very apparent watching this team the last two or three years exactly what Jackson’s strengths were and weren’t. I really like that early in his Head Coaching tenure he threw out some crazy wrinkles like fake punts and things like that. But as time wore on he became also very predictable, got much more conservative and the league caught up to him quickly.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
To be clear:
Best QB prospect in terms of talent, and not work ethic, college production, etc….
January 16th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
My Optimum WR group for next year
• Desean Jackson – FA acquisition
• D-WOW!
• Ford
• DHB
• Ausberry – moved from TE
• TJones – possible reposition to become our Wes Welker if he can catch
I know I’m going to catch a lot of flack on the Taiwan Jones reposition but if he can catch, we need to get him more playing time. Get him the ball in the open and he’s a possible home run every time. Besides, he can’t pass block and is a liability in the backfield. If he can catch, let’s run him out of the slot and see what can happen. It’s a project but is more productive than what we’ve seen of him so far. He can also backfill at RB if absolutely necessary.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
I wanted Jabustus, and I still think he was a better pick than AP & CJ.
The guy is 6′6, 270+, and a cannon for an arm. He was also in the SEC, had great #s, and he can move.
I still think he is the best QB prospect since Elway.
Imagine Big Ben, but faster, and a stronger arm!!!
He could have been great, if he wasn’t a lazy fat idiot.
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I think idiot played into it just as much as fat & lazy. You can’t rely on your arm as a QB only. You need to practice, get touch and accuracy and be able to read the defenses to know the right player to throw to.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:30 pm
Raiderzmaverick Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Raiderlen
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I’m not “pulling” anything. I’m not a blog personality, but all of my posts about DHB have revolved around work ethic and patience.
I pulled up the statistics about Freddy B and Cliff B as the season got underway to UNDERLINE my point of Patience.
DHB got better because of hard work and playcalling.
Play calling that came from Al Saunders.
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WRONG. Al didn’t call ANY of the plays. Hue called the plays. He also was the one who worked out DHB to run the more intermediate-to-shorter routes and how to utilize him best.
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I’ve already addressed this. Saunders drew up the plays Hue had on His call sheet.
So yes Hue called the plays.
Saunders laid out the plan.
Get it?
January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Now that the majority of non-football trolls have gone, I’ll repost my manifesto.
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff • Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily) • FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott • Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell • New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car) • Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock • Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS • New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG • Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
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JB,
I like your manifesto. It should be emailed to Reggie immediately!
And if he accomplishes just 50% of your manifesto I’d call him a success.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
2010 also saw DHB’s production grow exponentially from the previous year. He also was the third wr on a team that was run first. He was competing for catches with Miller, Murphy, and Ford. Last year he was named as a starter before Al died, kept as a starter after his passing, and was consistently targeted in the passing game going against the conventional wisdom of Cork and many others on this blog.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
DHB would have improved no matter who was calling the plays due to his work ethic and desire.
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I agree.
Anyone that wants to claim HUE Jackson is responsible for DHB and His breakout has a thing for Hue.
Right Chris in NY?
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raiderlen
Al Saunders HELPED with the game plan and never called a play
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Actually Saunders did. When Hue went the 5+ games with scoring no points in the 4th quarter for a short time they let Saunders call plays. In the Chicago game, the deep ball to Louis Murphy late in the game was an Al Saunders call. You can verify it I am sure on this site because more than one player remarked about it. But Jackson was certainly calling the complete game again toward the end of the season.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I’m still bitter about Jabustus!!!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Why move Ausberry from TE? I’d love to have a good TE like Tony Gonzalez etc. creating the mismatches of a TE because of how he’s lined up etc.
Smart use of the TE is very useful.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Kam Wimbley on PFT Live earlier today:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/16/pft-live-talkin-raiders-with-kamerion-wimbley/
January 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raiderlen
Al Saunders HELPED with the game plan and never called a play
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Actually Saunders did. When Hue went the 5+ games with scoring no points in the 4th quarter for a short time they let Saunders call plays. In the Chicago game, the deep ball to Louis Murphy late in the game was an Al Saunders call. You can verify it I am sure on this site because more than one player remarked about it. But Jackson was certainly calling the complete game again toward the end of the season.
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I never heard that Seymour. Do you have any sort of a link or quote at all? I probably would remember a detail like that as it’s a pretty big deal if it were true.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Jackson may have called plays more adept for DHBs skills,but DHB improved because of his desire and work ethic.He would have improved no matter who called the plays,just as he will probably continue to improve in the future,with or without HJ.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Raider O Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
I’m still bitter about Jabustus!!!
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You should be! He single-handedly screwed the entire Raider Nation. He as much dropped his pants after taking our wallets and told the world to kiss his majestic a$$.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
DHB would have improved no matter who was calling the plays due to his work ethic and desire.
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Nah, he still wasn’t great on the longer throws catching a low % of those this year. If the OC or HC just kept him “on the clearing route” he would still be ridiculed like crazy cause he still doesn’t adjust well to the balls thrown 20+ yards in the air.
He made a heck of an improvement on his YAC this year.
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Totally agree. DHB was greatly improved this year, and I know the kid works real hard, but I think the argument can definitely be made that his improvement this year had as much or more to do with how he was used and how they got the ball to him as it was his own development.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
2010 also saw DHB’s production grow exponentially from the previous year. He also was the third wr on a team that was run first. He was competing for catches with Miller, Murphy, and Ford. Last year he was named as a starter before Al died, kept as a starter after his passing, and was consistently targeted in the passing game going against the conventional wisdom of Cork and many others on this blog.
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I love the phrase “production grow exponentially”
If I have 9 catches, and then 26 I guess that is huge.
3rd season 64 catches.
DHB blossomed in His 3rd season as have many other big time players.
It’s a natural progression.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Seymour
Cable would get credit if he wasn’t the playcaller the year before and terribl and hadn’t admitted that he took a hands off approach with offense and O line. The consistent production also continued the next year with the same playcaller and Cable gone.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Raiderlen
Al Saunders HELPED with the game plan and never called a play
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Actually Saunders did. When Hue went the 5+ games with scoring no points in the 4th quarter for a short time they let Saunders call plays. In the Chicago game, the deep ball to Louis Murphy late in the game was an Al Saunders call. You can verify it I am sure on this site because more than one player remarked about it. But Jackson was certainly calling the complete game again toward the end of the season.
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I never heard that Seymour. Do you have any sort of a link or quote at all? I probably would remember a detail like that as it’s a pretty big deal if it were true.
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Me neither. Recall Hue and Murphy saying how Hue was keeping that one in his back pocket and thought that was a good time to go to that play.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Why move Ausberry from TE? I’d love to have a good TE like Tony Gonzalez etc. creating the mismatches of a TE because of how he’s lined up etc.
Smart use of the TE is very useful.
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I like Boss and want to keep him as #1. He was very underutilized this year. That needs to change. We need a fast & tall WR in our rotation. Right now Ausberry hardly ever sees any action at TE. He’d be more active at WR and most of our anticipated WR’s are on the short side. Got to get this id some playing time to see what he’s got. I’m also not sure on how good a blocker he is and that’s a big deal at TE. Boss, Meyer & Gordon make for a good trio at TE.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I never heard that Seymour. Do you have any sort of a link or quote at all? I probably would remember a detail like that as it’s a pretty big deal if it were true.
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I’m not going to look it up, but I am sure you can look at the quotes right after the Chicago game and Carson among other players remark specifically that that was an Al Saunders play call. I am surprised no one picked up on it. Maybe if I get some free time I will try to look it up.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
DHB according to most on here couldn’t catch a cold his 1st season.In his second year he still dropped too many passes according to the masses.This past season he was very consistent CATCHING the ball.His hard work had more to do with him consistently catching passes than HJ.Give the kid credit,he has earned it.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raiderlen
It is a progression that would not have happened had hue not stuck with him, drew up and called plays to put him in a position to succeed. He could have started Moore and Ford over him and no one would have batted an eye. Instead he started him and gave him a vote of confidence. He nearly tripled his catches from his first to his second year and then nearly tripled it again. Hard work plus good coaching=production. JC also played a role in his growth and I also give Lal some credit
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Players with actual trade value (guys we could move straight up for a mid round pick or better):
Ford, Moore, Palmer, Veldheer, Wiz, McFadden, Desmond Bryant.
Other than that, teams will start busting up laughing if we call and offer the rest of our overpaid crew.
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NEVER never trade D Moore. That kind of greatness is rare and he MUST remain a Raider throughtout his career. He is in the Bo Jackson catergory of greatness. And he was just a rookie. He is a WR and should remain with the Raiders. The thought of him on a trading block is insanity.
We don’t have trade bait material. Just leave as is and start building. A good coach and staff (dump chucky) will bring out the best of this talented group.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
One possible scenario:
HC Todd Bowles
DC Mike Nolan
OC Al Saunders
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 4th
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 3rd
Trading McFadden and Kelly will clear somewhere around $10 million in cap room.
The Raiders should also restructure the contracts of Richard Seymour, Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, and Carson Palmer if they haven’t already.
Next, they should re-sign SS Tyvon Branch, FB Marcel Reece, DL Desmond Bryant, OL Stephon Heyer, LS Jon Condo, and make a competitive offer to RB Michael Bush. Try to retain C Samson Satele, DE/OLB Trevor Scott, and FS Matt Giordano for depth.
2 – DE/OLB Nick Perry, OLB/DE Ronnell Lewis, RB Chris Polk, DT/NT Dontari Poe, or RB David Wilson
3 – RB Doug Martin, DE/OLB Brandon Lindsey, RB Cyrus Gray, CB Leonard Johnson, or DT/NT Alameda Ta’amu
3 (compensatory) – OL Jeff Allen, DE/OLB Shea McLellin, or RB Bernard Pierce
4 – OL Mike Ryan or OL Lucas Nix
4 (compensatory) – S George Iloka, ILB Adrien Cole, or DT/NT Mike Martin
5 – DT/NT Dom Hamilton, S Harrison Smith, or ILB Chris Galippo
6 – RB Daniel Herron, RB Bobby Rainey, or RB Terrance Ganaway
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, in particular to help the Raiders seal the edge against the run and pressure the QB with their four-man front. So:
Sign NT Paul Soliai
Sign CB Brandon Carr
Sign QB Josh Johnson or QB Chad Henne
If Bush leaves, sign RB Mike Tolbert or RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
Let go of WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh, QB Kyle Boller, OT Khalif Barnes, LB Darryl Blackstock, LB Ricky Brown, LB Quentin Groves, DT John Henderson, S Jerome Boyd, S Hiram Eugene, CB Bryan McCann, CB Lito Sheppard, and CB Chris Johnson.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Me neither. Recall Hue and Murphy saying how Hue was keeping that one in his back pocket and thought that was a good time to go to that play.
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That quote you are saying I specifically remember coming from the KC game. The deep ball to Moore for six. And also the deep ball to DHB to ice the game. If you go back to my little “game planning” quotes on this site a few days before that game I specifically break that exact play down. The difference is I would have used it over and over until they figured out a way to stop it. Not gone to it once I got into trouble.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Me neither. Recall Hue and Murphy saying how Hue was keeping that one in his back pocket and thought that was a good time to go to that play.
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Some are missing the point.
How did that play end up in His back pocket?
Who drew it up?
January 16th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
January 16th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
DHB according to most on here couldn’t catch a cold his 1st season.In his second year he still dropped too many passes according to the masses.This past season he was very consistent CATCHING the ball.His hard work had more to do with him consistently catching passes than HJ.Give the kid credit,he has earned it.
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AGREE!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Boss is probably as good as gone.Too many hits to the head.Every time he gets tackled,he is helped off the field.Ausberry was moved to TE this year.He spent the year learning the position.With his size and speed,he is perfect for TE.IMO,he should stay there and possibly be the starter next year.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Ausberry AND Reece are both players the new OC should take advantage of. It’s all in how creative you get with your roster. You can’t tell me Ausberry and Reece are not at least as good as pass catching options as Hernandez and Gronkowski for NE. Get those guys on the field together and take the 8-12 yd catches they are guaranteed to get. Complete mismatch against LBs and safeties.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raiderlen
It is a progression that would not have happened had hue not stuck with him, drew up and called plays to put him in a position to succeed. He could have started Moore and Ford over him and no one would have batted an eye. Instead he started him and gave him a vote of confidence. He nearly tripled his catches from his first to his second year and then nearly tripled it again. Hard work plus good coaching=production. JC also played a role in his growth and I also give Lal some credit
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I’m sure if a reporter were to ask DHB, he’s acknowledge those you’ve mentioned.
At the end of the day DHB made Himself better through head work, coaching and experience.
Hue was the beneficiary of DHB’s hard work.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Here’s what one poster on a Saints blog says about Carmichael going to the Raiders:
01-16-2012, 04:19 PM #2
Danno
Truth Addict
Join Date: Dec 2003
Posts: 5,802 Pete… Run awaaaaaaaay!!!
DO NOT EVEN ENTERTAIN BEING THE RAIDERS HC.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Me neither. Recall Hue and Murphy saying how Hue was keeping that one in his back pocket and thought that was a good time to go to that play.
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Some are missing the point.
How did that play end up in His back pocket?
Who drew it up?
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Knowing Hue he probably got it from me off this site.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
Crap…typo’s…Hard work
January 16th, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Boss is probably as good as gone.Too many hits to the head.Every time he gets tackled,he is helped off the field.Ausberry was moved to TE this year.He spent the year learning the position.With his size and speed,he is perfect for TE.IMO,he should stay there and possibly be the starter next year.
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I’d jettison Boss and that salary.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Hue was a good OC, but he wasn’t special. We have a lot of talent on offense:
DMC, Bush, Palmer, JC, Moore, DHB, Ford, Reece, and our OL was Solid.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Ausberry AND Reece are both players the new OC should take advantage of. It’s all in how creative you get with your roster. You can’t tell me Ausberry and Reece are not at least as good as pass catching options as Hernandez and Gronkowski for NE. Get those guys on the field together and take the 8-12 yd catches they are guaranteed to get. Complete mismatch against LBs and safeties.
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I agree.
Match ups are everything.
Our Defensive play calls taught us that.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Off topic but is Hue Jackson that tall of a guy or is Fran Charles that short?
Both were standing for the live interview on NFLN and Jackson towered over him.
Just curious.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
He could have started Moore and Ford over him and no one would have batted an eye. Instead he started him and gave him a vote of confidence.
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He did start them over DHB coming outta the bye, remember?
Had it not been for Ford’s injury to start the season and his injury that shelved him for the 2nd half of the season, Hue would have certainly had DHB on the bench.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Knowing Hue he probably got it from me off this site.
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Better get a call into Reggie!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I’m telling you gentleman, DHB is the next Terell Owens! Once he masters his craft, he’ll have that kind of potential to reach that level of productivity. I believe!
January 16th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
J Hill Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
He could have started Moore and Ford over him and no one would have batted an eye. Instead he started him and gave him a vote of confidence.
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He did start them over DHB coming outta the bye, remember?
Had it not been for Ford’s injury to start the season and his injury that shelved him for the 2nd half of the season, Hue would have certainly had DHB on the bench.
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Yep
Thanks for laying it out.
I didn’t feel like opening up that can.
January 16th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
I’m telling you gentleman, DHB is the next Terell Owens! Once he masters his craft, he’ll have that kind of potential to reach that level of productivity. I believe!
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Minus the Diva and theatrics hopefully.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Near the end of the year I kept hearing about how Reece was such a nightmare for opposing defenses,yet his playing time and involvement in the offense kept diminishing.Couldn’t quite understand that.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
I think we have our WRs for next season, and I don’t think he will sign a big name FA WR. Look at GB, the Only big name FA they signed was Charles, and McKenzie said he wants a similar system.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
One possible scenario:
HC Todd Bowles
DC Mike Nolan
OC Al Saunders
Trade Darren McFadden for a 2nd and 4th
Trade Tommy Kelly for a 3rd
Trading McFadden and Kelly will clear somewhere around $10 million in cap room.
The Raiders should also restructure the contracts of Richard Seymour, Michael Huff, Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, and Carson Palmer if they haven’t already.
Next, they should re-sign SS Tyvon Branch, FB Marcel Reece, DL Desmond Bryant, OL Stephon Heyer, LS Jon Condo, and make a competitive offer to RB Michael Bush. Try to retain C Samson Satele, DE/OLB Trevor Scott, and FS Matt Giordano for depth.
2 – DE/OLB Nick Perry, OLB/DE Ronnell Lewis, RB Chris Polk, DT/NT Dontari Poe, or RB David Wilson
3 – RB Doug Martin, DE/OLB Brandon Lindsey, RB Cyrus Gray, CB Leonard Johnson, or DT/NT Alameda Ta’amu
3 (compensatory) – OL Jeff Allen, DE/OLB Shea McLellin, or RB Bernard Pierce
4 – OL Mike Ryan or OL Lucas Nix
4 (compensatory) – S George Iloka, ILB Adrien Cole, or DT/NT Mike Martin
5 – DT/NT Dom Hamilton, S Harrison Smith, or ILB Chris Galippo
6 – RB Daniel Herron, RB Bobby Rainey, or RB Terrance Ganaway
Then go big in FA. Need some big-time playmakers, in particular to help the Raiders seal the edge against the run and pressure the QB with their four-man front. So:
Sign NT Paul Soliai
Sign CB Brandon Carr
Sign QB Josh Johnson or QB Chad Henne
If Bush leaves, sign RB Mike Tolbert or RB BenJarvus Green-Ellis
Let go of WR T.J. Houshmanzadeh, QB Kyle Boller, OT Khalif Barnes, LB Darryl Blackstock, LB Ricky Brown, LB Quentin Groves, DT John Henderson, S Jerome Boyd, S Hiram Eugene, CB Bryan McCann, CB Lito Sheppard, and CB Chris Johnson.
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You have me for the most part except the TK and McFadden trades. Hell no to trading McFadden.
Could live with Bowles who let’s face it, is kind of a wild card to us all now. But with Al Saunders overseeing the offense and Mike Nolan overseeing the defense we’d be in real good hands.
Like some of the other suggestions, but no way do I even consider trading DMac for a couple of picks.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
I think we should use Reece same way Pats use Hernandez. He is taller, faster, and can catch just as good.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
Severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raiderlen
It is a progression that would not have happened had hue not stuck with him, drew up and called plays to put him in a position to succeed. He could have started Moore and Ford over him and no one would have batted an eye. Instead he started him and gave him a vote of confidence. He nearly tripled his catches from his first to his second year and then nearly tripled it again. Hard work plus good coaching=production. JC also played a role in his growth and I also give Lal some credit
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I’m sure if a reporter were to ask DHB, he’s acknowledge those you’ve mentioned.
At the end of the day DHB made Himself better through head work, coaching and experience.
Hue was the beneficiary of DHB’s hard work.
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Some beneficiary. Canned after one 8-8 season.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
There were numerous decisions that Hue made that I didn’t understand. Cutting DHB’s playing time after he had breakout games, under utilizing Boss and Reece, seeing Bush and Reece split out at WR v.s the Chiefs, DMAC’s injury and why a FA wasn’t signed to alleviate Bush’s carries, TJ Housh signing etc etc. Oh well, enough of that cat, he’s not in the Raiders plans but all of us as fans are and we should be supportive of whatever Reggie decides to do with our roster.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
IMO,Ford should be more of a return specialist and the 3rd WR used for WR screens and stretching the field,not an every down WR.Moore and DHB should be the every down wideouts.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
severeraiderz Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Seymour
Cable would get credit if he wasn’t the playcaller the year before and terribl and hadn’t admitted that he took a hands off approach with offense and O line. The consistent production also continued the next year with the same playcaller and Cable gone.
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While what you are saying is correct remember, Jackson was not some renowned offensive guru coming in here. Jackson was most successful as a position coach. In Jackson’s two tenures as OC his offenses did very poorly, altho not all of that was Jackson’s fault. So, yes, I think Davis and Cable for that matter both brought Jackson in to help with the offense, not completely revamp the offense.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Couple of Miscellaneous items to possibly discuss:
• Donald Driver will probably be leaving GB
• Sterling Moore and Hagan playing well for NE
Just some tidbits to munch on.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Some beneficiary. Canned after one 8-8 season.
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Still bitter I see.
Hue gets zero credit for DHB’s hard work.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
There were numerous decisions that Hue made that I didn’t understand. Cutting DHB’s playing time after he had breakout games, under utilizing Boss and Reece, seeing Bush and Reece split out at WR v.s the Chiefs, DMAC’s injury and why a FA wasn’t signed to alleviate Bush’s carries, TJ Housh signing etc etc. Oh well, enough of that cat, he’s not in the Raiders plans but all of us as fans are and we should be supportive of whatever Reggie decides to do with our roster.
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I completely totally agree. There were certainly some head scratchers with Jackson. But hey, personally I wish Jackson well, and we should all focus on getting some very solid coaching here and let’s see what we can do.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
My short list:
-Tom Cable
-Don Shula
-Phillip Fulmer
January 16th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I don’t know why Boss didn’t get more snaps, so I can say he is not with the money. He was suppose to increase his playing time from his Giants days, and was suppose to be more involved in the passing game. He was injured at the beginning of the season, and then after he was healthy, he wasnt getting that many snaps. Also, he wasn’t that evolved in the passing game.
I don’t understand it.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Jay Shroeder as Quarterbacks coach.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
I can’t say he is not worth*…..
January 16th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Regarding the Murphy playcall vs. Chicago, in a SF Chronicle article after the Bears game, Hue said “That’s a play I kind of saved in my pocket,” Raiders head coach Hue Jackson said. “I told Carson (Palmer) to hold onto it a little bit, and that’s what happened.”
Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2011/11/27/SPJ01M4RV8.DTL#ixzz1jgoqxkhj
Here’s the blog post following the Bears game that describes that play to Murphy:
MURPHY RESURFACES
Louis Murphy led all Raiders wide receivers in receptions and receiving yards each of the past two seasons. He entered Sunday’s game with one reception for 23 yards.
That seemed like a distant memory when Murphy ran under a Carson Palmer pass late in the game and turned it into a 47-yard catch-and-run play.
Bush scored one play later to give the Raiders an insurmountable 25-13 lead. Murphy caught two passes for 53 yards overall.
“Oh, yeah, man, it felt really good,” Murphy said. “Felt good to get out there and make some plays, man, and help the team win. Been a long road coming this season, and just good to be back out there.”
Credit Jackson for calling a pass play on a third-and-four play late in the game, when the Raiders were trying to run out the clock.
Palmer said the Raiders set up the play with back-to-back runs to Bush, and the play was something that was installed earlier in the week.
“First and foremost, great call,” Palmer said. “Coach (Al) Saunders, coach Jackson, the timing of it. The looks we set up to get it were great. At that point in the game, just a great, ballsy call to pull out. Louis hasn’t had a bunch of catches all year. He knew that was something special for him in the package. He did a great job executing it.”
January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
So it would be safe to say both Sanders and HJ had a hand in that play.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
thank you Chris. The way I remember it, and you see the quote there, that coming off, he gave thanks to Saunders for the playcall. Looks to me to be revisionist by Jackson, but who cares at this point.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Hj is gone,it does no good complaining about it because nobody here had any say one way or the other.I will say I believe he was a fairly good OC but nothing great.After all,he got out-coached in the 2nd half of almost every game.There were too many games where we held leads going into the 2nd half and were outscored by an unbelievable margin in the 2nd halves of those games.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
So is Moss our Guy?
I’d expect to hear something in a day or two regarding His interview.
If not, He’s not a short lister.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Hj is gone,it does no good complaining about it because nobody here had any say one way or the other.I will say I believe he was a fairly good OC but nothing great.After all,he got out-coached in the 2nd half of almost every game.There were too many games where we held leads going into the 2nd half and were outscored by an unbelievable margin in the 2nd halves of those games.
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True.
Half Time adjustments were not a strong suit of all 3 phases.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Looks like the rams will be a pretty good at you. Say want but a fisher/jackson combo with bradford/s jackson combo looks good.. oline needs work.. but i think thats a playoff team next season..
January 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Reggie’s going to Denver to hold the two interviews. I guess he just up to a little skiing trip.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Winston Moss as HC ? Not since I know nothing about him.
Someone said McKenzie should re-build the D around ebony sub-moron McClain?
Hopefully, that worthless jackass will be sent packing, first with an ax handle upside his brainless head. The fact that he was named captain of the D was both appalling and a testament to the stupidity of Hue the Pimpin Magnificient. Just look at dink McClain: the small animal looking eyes, sluffed off chin, and nasty goatee. Hopefully he’ll go right down to Coontown in Alabama or where ever the hell he’s from, and promptly get shot in the head. That will void his contract and save us cap space, unless he already has a passel of lil chillenz who would represent his estate in case of a head shot to “der daddy.”
DVD, Chekwa are in the same category as McClain; they won’t pan out. Their on-field level of performance this season is as good as it will ever get.
Also, the serial foot problem DMAC, should be traded quickly before he gets hurt walking down the street in the off season. He’s worthless since he can’t maintain his presence on the field, and because he does little against top tier teams. He can only perform against serial losers like himself.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Could this play out?
Winston Moss-HC
Pete Carmichael-Ass HC/O.C
Vic Fangio-D.C
January 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
So is Moss our Guy?
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Over the next couple of weeks more and more desirable candidates are going to come up. Doesn’t look like Reg is in any hurry which is probably a good thing.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
If I procurred a $25M contract for services I would put every living, waking, sleeping second into it, to be the best I could be.
In east Oakland I am sure it’s cool to bang, live a worthless life and kill your own brothers, clan, and culture, since you lack drama in your everyday life to fulfill the evolutionary patterns of fighting and aggression imbedded within young men: if a war doesn’t exist without against real enemies of the state, young men with too time on their hands will create a war, within, banging and killing in the inner city.
Sorry,not in my world. Maybe that’s because I worked my azz and earned with my own two hands everything I have, and didn’t depend on a welfare checks or food stamps.
Now this ebony sub-moron McClain, all nig.a rich and stupid, spits in the face of the Raiders and the Nation, claiming his “uncle died” and immediately gets involved in gunplay at a party.
I have more respect for JaMarcus Russel than him. At least JaMarcus was just confused and lazy, without the maliciousness of the sub-moron. And in sub-moron McClain’s mind he performed just great, especially after the “incident.” (His Moma told him so: she probably is big as a refrigerator and has 6 kids from 6 different men.)
Sub-moron McClain, was nothing but a whirling windmill, runners going right through his ineffective arm tackles, missed tackles completely, or was too slow or flying through the air ass-over-tea kettle while RB’s, QB’s, Tightends, and WR’s ripped off huge chunks of yardage.
Go back and watch the Saints/49′er game and you will see how “real” linebackers perform: not the same as McClain the pretender – nig.a rich – who, 4 or 5 yrs from now, will be living in a ditch, and dead broke.
(That is unless we are fortunate enough that some crazy nig.ar caps caps his ugly azz, and gets rid of him for good.)
Lastly, at least I have the courage to speak what most fans and the Nation believe, but are hesitant to articulate regarding the Sub-Moron and Hue the Pimpin Magnificent.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Reggie’s going to Denver to hold the two interviews. I guess he just up to a little skiing trip.
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I had no idea the Denver coordinators were held in such regard.
Even the semi’s had to be caught off guard by this.
You think Reggie ski’s?
If He does, I’d get the hell out of the way.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Reggie will take out a few acres of trees if he has no expereince with the ski’s.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
seymour.. if reggie atleast interviews other candidates for the job.. ill be satisfied.. right now everything looks half assed. why crown moss hc so fast. i dont see a bunch of teams hott after
January 16th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
So is Moss our Guy?
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Over the next couple of weeks more and more desirable candidates are going to come up. Doesn’t look like Reg is in any hurry which is probably a good thing.
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I’m down with letting the process play out.
Reggie has to get this right.
There has been so much banter about Moss that I’m most curious about His circumstance and how Reggie addresses it.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Reggie will take out a few acres of trees if he has no expereince with the ski’s.
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LOL
F…ing A!
True
January 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
we better hurry up and give moss our hc job before another team snags him..lol
January 16th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
we better hurry up and give moss our hc job before another team snags him..lol
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Right?
Losers rush in from fear.
I don’t get the feeling Reggie works from fear.
He’s gonna do it His way, and like He said, use His gut.
To add, Wolf said many can write a report, but can’t tell you who can play.
Reggie can tell you who can play.
That is Gut.
I trust Reggies gut.
January 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
raiderlen.. that was actually the best part of his presser last tuesday.. normally you can never go wrong when you go with your gut.. i trust reggies gut as well. but please reggie.. make sure its your gut your trusting not youre belly fat..
January 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
raiderlen.. that was actually the best part of his presser last tuesday.. normally you can never go wrong when you go with your gut.. i trust reggies gut as well. but please reggie.. make sure its your gut your trusting not youre belly fat..
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lmao
January 16th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
raiderlen.. that was actually the best part of his presser last tuesday.. normally you can never go wrong when you go with your gut.. i trust reggies gut as well. but please reggie.. make sure its your gut your trusting not youre belly fat..
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The belly fat “gut” response only happens when Reggie has become very successful and loses his edge.
Hopefully success will not jade Him as we move into the future.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
One of Reggie’s statement was about bringing meaning back to commitment to excellence. For some of you younger guys, you’ve never seen the real Raiders. It certainly looks like Reggie want to take an old school approach and I dare say that if the Old School S&B is part of your resume’, you are going to get a few extra points when applying for Raider employment. The Old School Raiders were committed to 60 minute games and we always expected to win no matter the circumstance. It was the then Raider mentality. Reggie is resurrecting the good old days.
Work hard, play hard, just win baby!
January 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
JB Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
One of Reggie’s statement was about bringing meaning back to commitment to excellence. For some of you younger guys, you’ve never seen the real Raiders. It certainly looks like Reggie want to take an old school approach and I dare say that if the Old School S&B is part of your resume’, you are going to get a few extra points when applying for Raider employment. The Old School Raiders were committed to 60 minute games and we always expected to win no matter the circumstance. It was the then Raider mentality. Reggie is resurrecting the good old days.
Work hard, play hard, just win baby!
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So true.
Back in the day, I never felt like the Raiders were out of a game.
They seemed to toy with some of the lesser Teams and then kill them in the end.
In the big games where they were playing their equals…classic football.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
John Tweedy, welfare was designed for white people and to this day there’s more white people on welfare than any other race. Idiot.
Of course it was designed for whites… Working class good people.
But sorry 44 there are more blacks in that government cheese line per capita than any other race. Just not as many in the U.S.A. That is why they are called minorities.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Win or lose,most of the time we won,in the old days at least we knew we were getting a 60 minute effort every game.I can’t say that has been the case for years.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:36 pm
The problem is that we want a HC who is experienced but is not so long in the tooth that he cannot adapt. We need a coach who is highly intelligent, (including football intelligence)like Harbaugh of the 49′ers.
Since 1983, in 29 seasons, the Raiders produced 19 losing seasons. Surely too much emphasis is being put on the genius of AL Davis.
To examine the roster of the Raiders between 1969 and 1983, it will be discovered that the true greatness of the Raiders derived from their superlative players.
After Plunkett retired the Raiders have had sub-par QB’s (except for Gannon), and continue to have sub-par QB’s. That is the first issue that must be addressed, even before a new HC and coordinators are hired.
Building a roster of truly great players such as the Raiders of yore held, should not be difficult; many teams did it, including the Raiders in the Glory Years.
The one thing we don’t need is a counterpart HC to Hue the Pimpin Magnificient. Most of our roster must be turned over, as we search for playmakers. We need to attenuate the taint of AL which poisoned the club in AL’s final disasterous years.
The HC and coordinators should have a new and innovative vision – something that has never been done before – not relying on the tradition of the Raiders of old. Just as Bill Walsh changed football and brought it into the modern era, we need to find a coach who can do likewise.
Finally, I hope Reggie doesn’t rely too much on GB to pick up his staff. The game on Sunday proved that GB is a paper tiger, that the flux of the game and league can bring anyone down. Also, GB looked very much like a team suffering from a 2 week layoff, fat and overstuffed with a D that couldn’t do the job.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
John Tweedy Says #204:
Sorry Tweedy, first up demographically on the government assistance roles are hispanics at 50%. Second up are blacks at 30% even though they represent 10% of the population. Finally, all others, white, asian, etc. come in at 20%.
Modern welfare grew out of the civil rights era of the mid-60’s, especially under Lyndon Johnson, and was designed for blacks. Unfortunately now, welfare has evolved as a property right to the extent that it falls under the Takings Clause and Equal Protection of the 14th amendment of the U.S. Constitution.
Heaven help that segment of blacks who are now enslaved by public assistance.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Al,
you don’t honestly think that more than 27 players on our roster need to go.
Come on. Offense was fine. MAYBE one new WR next year. MAYBE one new O-lineman (if Bruce Campbell and Joe Barksdale can’t crack starting lineup), TE position is fine, ONE new RB.
That’s about it for the offense.
We aren’t getting 24 new players on D and STs.
We need a scheme that actually fits these guys, and about 5 new players on D. A couple hard-nosed guys on STs. That’s about it.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
Win or lose,most of the time we won,in the old days at least we knew we were getting a 60 minute effort every game.I can’t say that has been the case for years.
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I think the modern economics of sports creates different challenges for coaches, teams and organizations today.
The Challenge is to get highly paid players who are corporations in their own right, to come together for a common cause….winning.
Buying in has become a catch phrase, but it holds significance.
Stable franchises with proven track records are better equipped to get people to “buy in” because of their track record.
It boils down to credibility.
This is Reggie’s mission.
Reestablish credibility.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
as for “old-school” Raider football:
we were pumping weights and playing black players while other teams stayed away from both.
Kinda hard to duplicate that competitive advantage nowadays.
Just give us run-stuffing DTs like in the early 2000s – Parella, Sam Adams, Russell, Grady J.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
If Boss has had 4 concussions in 18 games, will the league even LET him play?? As far as Reggie goes, he is doing due diligence and then he will call in Moss last and see if he beats everybody else in the interview. Two bits that he’s hired.
January 16th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
as for “old-school” Raider football:
we were pumping weights and playing black players while other teams stayed away from both.
Kinda hard to duplicate that competitive advantage nowadays.
Just give us run-stuffing DTs like in the early 2000s – Parella, Sam Adams, Russell, Grady J.
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I don’t know about old school Raiders pumping weights, (not dis agreeing, just don’t know), but what I do know is that we pulled players from small black colleges that were raw, but talented.
Eventually others caught on.
We were way ahead of the curve when it came to black players.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
alex7 # 208
Alex, regarding the O: we keep Ford and Moore, Bush, Reece, Jones, the O line except for Barnes, maybe keep Myers and Boss. Campbell and CP must go, DMAC must go, (with his serial foot injuries we are better off taking a 1st and 2nd round pick for him; he’ll never help us.) The rest must go, if I am the GM.
Regarding the D: I would cut/trade them all, but I know you need to keep a few around for the transition. Let’s put it this way: after 2 seasons all current D roster players would be gone, unless they fit into and performed spectacularly in the new scheme.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
Why oh why couldn’t the Raiders hire Jim Harbaugh 2-3 yearsa go when I was screaming for it everywhere?
Unreal.
Nothing excites me about any of these assistants McKenzie is interviewing.
Probably should go with Moss ahead of all of them and hire Tom Clements as OC or just stick with Saunders. Not a big fan at all of Carmichael Jr or any of the Denver coaches.
Bring Jon Gruden back and get back to the playoffs dammit!
Gruden is more like Harbaugh than any of these other upstart coaches.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
BTW, I won big by taking the Giants and Niners this past weekend.
Look for the Niner to beat the Giants and get to the big game. I don’t like it…but its’ going to happen.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
DKnight007:
HC and co-ordinators McKenzie is interviewing ?
Good post DKnight
January 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Nothing excites me about any of these assistants McKenzie is interviewing.
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I agree.
Gruden would be the biggest PR splash imaginable, but I know it won’t happen, and His O is to conservative for my taste.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
The Giants will never stand up to the 49′ers this weekend Knight. The reason is the Giants were beneficiaries of a GB that fared worse for the 2 week, 1st seed layoff. GB acted fat and lazy, and uncomfortable in their own skin. I am sure all execs who have, or may, jump ship didn’t help matters, including the coordinator whose son drowned.
I personally don’t think the Giants played well enough to have beaten the 49′ers. I think the 9′ers defense will shred Manning.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
The guys Mckenzie has or will interview .
January 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
The guys Mckenzie has or will interview ….yawn !
January 16th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Al
who plays QB for us in your scenario?
As for DMac, he helped us to a 5-3 start last season, and first place. Lead NFL in rushing.
To say he won’t “ever” help us is silly. He already did. Even in his WORST injury-season, he helped us more than most healthy players, as far as wins and losses.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:33 pm
Anyone else worried Reggie isn’;t interviewing anyone with HC experience?
His short list does include Dom Caper’s though…sheesh!
January 16th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
Al D Davis U are a racist punk read some of ur comments on another page u have the nerve to talk that racist noise on MLK day. Wish I could meet u in person and see would I be a coon then. Punk blog tough guy. Al Davis himself would probably slap u if he heard u speak that way.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
alex7
I would hold onto CP and JC for insurance and allow Terrel Pryor to start the pre-season to judge his abilities.
The problem with DMAC is that he’s mediocre playing top tier teams. Granted he ran right over Denver, when Denver sucked, and KC too. But what did he against the Pats, and Buffalo ? Seems like after that he was out injured (again).
What would you do ?
January 16th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Gruden is not coming back guys get past it he wasn’t all that great anyway
After SB win against us(with tony dungy’s team) he was crap.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8260e469/article/elway-gives-tebow-vote-of-confidence-as-broncos-starting-qb?module=HP11_headline_stack
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Wish we knew the hunger pangs. They fell short but will bring it into camp. We’ll be looking for an identity.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
Al D. Davis, what is “modern” welfare? How would it be different from the type of welfare that existed before it? Bottom line is that welfare, modern or otherwise, was for whites. When black people started drawing it, white southerners became Republicans.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
eastoaklandraider:
East Oakland, I must have struck a raw nerve with you, otherwise you wouldn’t have such a strong reaction. The Blacks in this country are in horrible trouble for reasons I mentioned in those posts.
I live in LA, and blacks are very prejudiced here, mainly against hispanics (because hispanics work hard, and mostly save their money.) I doubt you will ever see a hispanic act like sub-moron McClain and endanger a $25M contract, over nig.ar nonsense – gunplay at a party against a “friend” McClain chummed around with in high school.
McClain is a victim of his culture, in which he has learned to earn money without working, including the scorn of education and exploiting political correctness.
Sorry East Oakland, I tell it like it is. I hate political correctness. And BTW, MLK lived in a different era, and fought the hard, sweet fight. I don’t seem sub-moron McClain fighting for anything except a whole lot of crap. MLK would wholeheartedly agree with me if he was living now.
Deal with it Brah!
January 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Why are so many Raider fans so threatened by the mere mention of Jon Gruden? Someone just brings up his name, and all hell breaks loose. I guess those painful memories of winning back to back division titles are just too hard to revisit.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
I would rather have Gruden ahead of all the these assistants coaches/coordinators that McKenzie will or may interview. It won’t happen though.
The only one worth a damn is maybe Moss.
One another assistant coach/OLine coach I like actually is Aaron Kromer from New Orleans. He was a Raiders assistant under the Gruden/Callahan era. Supposedly, the Lambs would have hired him if they didn’t get Fisher.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
al d. davis Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
eastoaklandraider:
East Oakland, I must have struck a raw nerve with you,
…………
Your only intention in the first place. Punk.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
# Sullivan44 Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Why are so many Raider fans so threatened by the mere mention of Jon Gruden? Someone just brings up his name, and all hell breaks loose. I guess those painful memories of winning back to back division titles are just too hard to revisit.
^^^^^^^^
Weird isn’t it?
January 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
When Gruden was here we were still playing in January.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Seems like its gonna be Moss so 3-4 def here we come. I dnt think we have the players to run the 3-4 and we have a few good starters on D that don’t fit the scheme TK Matt shaunessy and Lamar Houston would all be out of position in that alignment imo. TK and Houston are 3 tech DTs while Shaunessy is a pass rushing DE.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
A few names looking for work b4 next season starts include.
Al Saunders
Bresnahan
Rod Woodsen
DeMarcus Van Dyke
Rolando McClain
Richard Seymour (Know hes due double digit millions but…)
Murphy
Schilens
Kelly
Bruce Campbell
DHB
Barnes
Carlisle (just because hes old even though he had his best yr)
Jarvis Moss
Kevin Boss
DMC
Carson Palmer (Carson probably won’t cuzza the contract but U never know)
Some becuase they need to go, some because they are Davis/Hue men.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Nothing excites me about any of these assistants McKenzie is interviewing.
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I agree.
Gruden would be the biggest PR splash imaginable, but I know it won’t happen, and His O is to conservative for my taste.
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It would be a huge PR splash, season ticket sales would shoot through the roof and the phones would be ringing off the hook and Gruden would bring this team back to respectability….again!
Just give him a real DC and playoffs here we come!
January 16th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Some Raider fans react to the idea of bringing Gruden back the same way they’d react to bringing Norv Turner back. Like they both turned in the same results here. Stupid, really. It’s amazing how these guys just refuse to think.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
228. Don’t take Ricochets bait. Trolling like a bish.
“…McClain learned to earn money without working”
lol!
Sad little man…
January 16th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
I would rather have Gruden ahead of all the these assistants coaches/coordinators that McKenzie will or may interview. It won’t happen though.
The only one worth a damn is maybe Moss.
One another assistant coach/OLine coach I like actually is Aaron Kromer from New Orleans. He was a Raiders assistant under the Gruden/Callahan era. Supposedly, the Lambs would have hired him if they didn’t get Fisher.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
226.Good news. Elway not stupid. Hes going to look for someone to replace that hot Jebus mess who can’t throw.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I hope they keep Teboner
January 16th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
I’ll be honest, I’d rather have Winston Moss than Gruden because I want someone our GM is familiar with. But I just don’t understand this knee jerk hostility to the mere mention of Gruden.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:57 pm
All this while Hue Jackson saves Bradfords career in St Louis and revives Steven Jacksons career also.
If he gets hire in St Louis as the OC, which he probably will.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
Gruden is not an enemy of the Raiders. Anyone who thinks he is is retarded.
January 16th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
Sullivan44,
Sully, the Antebellum period of history, from 1865 to the rise of FDR in the great depression saw economic oppression of big corporations and robber barons against the people. Once the 29 depression hit, mainly due to over-extension and hijinks of the monied few, trying to make even more money, then power swung toward the people. Before the 1950s welfare didn’t exist in this country. As I mentioned before the new welfare state arose during the mid-60’s and catered to poor blacks in the south, and inner cities throughout America populated mainly by blacks, displaced from the deep south to work in the war industries during WWII.
Unfortunately, when the War ended so did the jobs. What was temporary housing for the workers was torn down and projects rose up in its place. Suddenly, the serially unemployed were subject to alcoholism, drug addiction; single families were the norm. Someone had to pay the bills and the U.S. government did so. That is the rise of “modern” welfare.
This is no novel idea, it is well documented. If you don’t believe me research it on the net.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:00 am
The only two rookie head coaches I would be content with McKenzie hiring would be Winston Moss or Aaron Kromer.
The rest of the rookie head coach assistants out there are nothing special.
If Davis, Trask and McKenzie are smart they should make Gruden an offer he can’t refuse!
Can’t hurt, thats for damn sure.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:01 am
AL D u are a racist and I’m done with that and will move on/ Dknight did gruden get us to the Bowl. Yeah he won with another coaches team but what happen after that? Your guess is as good as mines.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:02 am
FA shopping list – very preliminary draft
Anthony Spencer (Dal) if 3-4 switch; – good run defender, forced for fumbles, career 21.5 sacks, 198 tackles, 63 assists strong side backer candidate – (provided Curry moves inside.)
Marshawn Lynch – owed 8 mil under franchise tag, maybe 24 mil. Cost to sign – trade possibility for Palmer, but Seattle would pay 10.5 mil in first season, McFadden would only cost 6.4 mil, and would be a couple of years younger (with more injury history) – from Oakland, CA.
Dan Connor – will test the market, 52 tackles in 2011, 1 FF, 1 sack, very low milage, 8 career starts
Paul Solai – NT, Miami – earned 12.5 mil under franchise tag, and Raiders would inevitably have to move or release Tommy Kelly to even think about an offer. (and of course change to 3-4, the move would be worth it, since this guy owned the o-line along with that Mike Nolan led defense 2 seasons in a row.
Questionable signings
DeSean Jackson – game breaking ability, but mind numbing attitude. 230 career recepts, 4,096 yds, 21 TDs 4 career punt returns for score. – unlikely, given new direction of club, but from California and attended Cal-Berkeley – will cost 7-8 mil per year at min. in 24-32 million dollar range over length of a long-term deal. – Jackson fits the “Oakland eventually move to L.A.” scenario, along with Palmer.
Vincent Jackson – likely to return to San Diego – A.J. Smith saw the error of his ways watching Darren Sproles tear up the entire NFL for the record –setting Brees/Saints offense.
On the cheap
Mike Adams, Browns – 44 tackles, 3 int, 1 FF – if Huff “moves to corner” eyes roll*
Kedric Gholston, Redskins – 1.5 sacks, 1 FF, (coming off partially torn ACL 3rd degree MCL) – so a “comeback” rehab season, maybe will not pass physical
Draft (included picks 3-5 only because we don’t have 1st and 2nd round picks, and may receive the 97th pick in compensation for Nnamdi
Audie Cole, ILB, N.Carolina St.
Trumaine Johnson, CB, Montana
Kenny Tate, S, Maryland
Brandon Lindsay, OLB, Pitt
Tom Compton, T, S.Dakota
Joel Foreman, OG, Michigan St.
Tank Carder, ILB, TCU
Carmen Messina, ILB, N.Mexico
Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
Omar Bolden, CB, Arizona St. – could be a steal, projected to first round before torn ACL made him miss 2011 season – will be had 5th round or later or higher depending upon his recovery, and private workout numbers
Doug Martin, RB, Boise St. (the next Ray Rice?)
Cyrus Gray, RB, Texas A&M (the “if we trade McFadden” pick)
Mike Ryan, OT, UConn (could be a sleeper, included him, because we had two other UConn players, Tyvon Branch, and Zach Hurd)
Alex Hurst, G/T, LSU – a 6-6, 340 whopper in the run game, good power and technique
Jeremiah Sirles, OT, Nebraska – coming out early, RT project
Mitchell Schwartz, OT, Cal – short drive from Berkeley to Alameda, RT prospect
Aaron Henry, FS, Wisconsin – special teams type with the knack for the pick – good pick, not necessarily a starter.
Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame – just including him, because he has a good tackle total, not many picks, which is why he’s projected to sixth – along with a 4.6 forty
January 17th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Saints OLine coach/RB’s coach Aaron Kromers resume:
http://www.neworleanssaints.com/team/coaches/aaron-kromer/e750d982-f3d2-4f38-bd9e-15aa21d518aa
January 17th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Al D. Davis, I don’t interact with white supremacists who try to sound smart. Move along.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:03 am
What about Tom Rathman as the next head coach of Raiders?
No? It was between Rathman and Cable to take over for Kitten when old man got rid of Kitten.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Just wondering,what has Moss done that makes him so much more qualified than the others that are being interviewed?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:04 am
GRUDEN PLEASE!!!!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Al D. Davis Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
eastoaklandraider:
East Oakland, I must have struck a raw nerve with you, otherwise you wouldn’t have such a strong reaction. The Blacks in this country are in horrible trouble for reasons I mentioned in those posts.
I live in LA, and blacks are very prejudiced here, mainly against hispanics (because hispanics work hard, and mostly save their money.) I doubt you will ever see a hispanic act like sub-moron McClain and endanger a $25M contract, over nig.ar nonsense – gunplay at a party against a “friend” McClain chummed around with in high school.
McClain is a victim of his culture, in which he has learned to earn money without working, including the scorn of education and exploiting political correctness.
Sorry East Oakland, I tell it like it is. I hate political correctness. And BTW, MLK lived in a different era, and fought the hard, sweet fight. I don’t seem sub-moron McClain fighting for anything except a whole lot of crap. MLK would wholeheartedly agree with me if he was living now.
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I got relatives in L.A. as well, and YOU ARENT TELLING IT LIKE IT IS.
You’re just telling it how you perceive it. Plenty of good folks live in East Oakland, and S.Central, and Detroit, and Newark and lots of other “murder capitals”.
Yes, MLK was in a different era, but social ills are a complex mix of politics, economics and economic hardship. I defend the town, like I defend Raider Nation. Not myopic, just keeping a balanced perspective on things. I acknowledge the hardships, and violence , but dont condone that behavior or have peeps into that sort of thing. Broke from that crowd years ago.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Why are you guys coming up with all of these names connected with Al? Reggie McKenzie is our general manager.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:07 am
I’d rather go with a def coach I think it gives us the best shot to keep mr saunders.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:09 am
The rest of the rookie head coach assistants out there are nothing special.
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thing is. Sean Payton was a rookie head coach assistant, so was Mike Smith (from Atlanta).
I get it, coaches who were assistants, but not coordinators are likely too inexperienced, but they rip off 11 wins in a row, or break out a new fangled offense or defense, and they get “special” real quick.
You can never tell when it comes to winning – its how the staff is put together, GM, and how the team is built. All have to come together.
Gruden could come in, with a new staff, free agents, a re-dedicated Carson Palmer and still end up 8-8
Pete Charmichael could come in with a few assistants, and most of the same staff and roster and got 11-5 with one upset win in the playoffs.
Its all in the cards…nothing is guaranteed due to “pedigree”
January 17th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I like political correctness. And, frankly, I think the whole fight *against* PC has gotten old. It’s been a decade now. White people crying victim because they can’t insult minorities, women, gays right in the workplace and get away with it anymore. Boo freakin’ hoo. These anti PC white males have gotten their way in may respects in the past decade, and notice the country went to crap right along with it. I’m not saying that’s the cause of it, but it certainly doesn’t help when people are intentionally trying to hurt others with words. This country was a better place in those politically correct, Clinton ’90s. I’d love to go back to that time.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am
John Gruden is a florida guy and MIA aint beaten his door down. Things that make u go hmm?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:09 am
I like political correctness. And, frankly, I think the whole fight *against* PC has gotten old. It’s been a decade now. White people crying victim because they can’t insult minorities, women, gays right in the workplace and get away with it anymore. Boo freakin’ hoo. These anti PC white males have gotten their way in may respects in the past decade, and notice the country went to crap right along with it. I’m not saying that’s the cause of it, but it certainly doesn’t help when people are intentionally trying to hurt others with words. This country was a better place in those politically correct, Clinton ’90s. I’d love to go back to that time.
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The only argument is. Respect all people as you would want to be respected. The only problem is the ethnic jokes are used to ease the tension between people by having us “laugh WITH one another” rather than “at a particular group” – often times, the stereotype is done on SNL, MAD-TV, South Park and any number of skit shows.
PC is done by design (by the media itself) to increase tensions because separate camps then fire off rants on conservative or ideologically liberal radio programs, and the anonymity of the internet means you can blast away whatever retard a$% logic or illogical racial stereotypes without fear of verbal or physical harm.
Whats missing is that the class warfare usually powers these divisions and as the economic gap widens , the division makes it harder for the middle class to unite, vote in a political party to limit these out of control IPO driven Isreali-owned lobbys that get us and our children in these limitless wars.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:35 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 am
the ethnic jokes are used to ease the tension between people by having us “laugh WITH one another” rather than “at a particular group”
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Don’t be so naive.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:38 am
Dolphins GM is a Parcells guy. Of course he doesn’t want Gruden, because of course Gruden will want personnel control, just as he wanted here. I understand the argument against Gruden, I just don’t understand the outright fear so many Raider fans have of him coming back. It’s not like we sucked when he was here. We really were one of the best teams in football.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:44 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:35 am
RaiderSam Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 am
the ethnic jokes are used to ease the tension between people by having us “laugh WITH one another” rather than “at a particular group”
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plus; I’m not afraid of Gruden coming back, if he agrees to share personnel control. I agree we were one of the best teams in football when Gruden was here.
Don’t be so naive.
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Oh, by no means. Its just the way it is used, and the results aren’t always good, depending on the audience. – Martin parodying whites in a concert has both blacks and whites laughing, but could be construed as stereotypical. When Kramer did the same thing, it didnt go over as well.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:46 am
uh that was out of order, Sullivan44
Don’t be so naive.
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Oh, by no means. Its just the way it is used, and the results aren’t always good, depending on the audience. – Martin parodying whites in a concert has both blacks and whites laughing, but could be construed as stereotypical. When Michael Richards did the same thing, it didnt go over as well.
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plus; I’m not afraid of Gruden coming back, if he agrees to share personnel control. I agree we were one of the best teams in football when Gruden was here.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:52 am
What kind of a f’n rock did you climb out from under, genius?? Rebuild the D around ebony sub-moron McClain?
Hopefully, that worthless jackass will be sent packing, first with an ax handle upside his brainless head. The fact that he was named captain of the D was both appalling and a testament to the stupidity of Hue the Pimpin Magnificient. Just look at dink McClain: the small animal looking eyes, sluffed off chin, and nasty goatee. Hopefully he’ll go right down to Coontown in Alabama or where ever the hell he’s from, and promptly get shot in the head. That will void his contract and save us cap space, unless he already has a passel of lil chillenz who would represent his estate in case of a head shot to “der daddy.”
DVD, Chekwa are in the same category as McClain; they won’t pan out. Their on-field level of performance this season is as good as it will ever get.
Also, the serial foot problem DMAC, should be traded quickly before he gets hurt walking down the street in the off season. He’s worthless since he can’t maintain his presence on the field, and because he does little against top tier teams. He can only perform against serial losers like himself
This is from Al D davis the racist. On MLK day no less.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:00 am
Scary D davis get off the CPU and go voice ur opinion on the street or maybe even a raiders game next year see u there.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:31 am
MY SUGGESTED PLAN OF ACTION FOR 2012
• New HC hired & he hires his own staff
• Defensive structure changed to 3-4 (primarily)
• FA’s NOT to resign – MBush, CSchilens, KBarnes, QGroves, TScott
• Raider FA to resign – TBranch, SHeyer, JMoss, JCampbell
• New FA to sign – DJackson (WR-Phi), AFranklin (NT-NO), ASpencer (OLB-Dal), CFinnegan (CB-Ten), Marshawn Lynch (RB-Sea), DConnor (ILB-Car)
• Trade for draft picks – LMurphy, TKelly, CJohnson, LSheppard, MMitchell, BMcCann • Outright release – THoushmanzandeh, KBoller, JBoyd, DBlackstock
• Look at Repositioning – DAusberry to WR, TJones to WR-KOR, LHouston to NT, RSeymour to DE, ACurry to ILB, Wiznewski to C, DVD to FS
• New starters – SHeyer to LG, JBarksdale to RT, FA or BCampbell to RG
• Restructure contracts for – SRoutt, CWimbley, CPalmer, LHouston, MHuff, RMcClain, RSeymour, ACurry,
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3-4 could happen. Dont have the players or draft picks though. Some manuevering needed there.
Bush should stay but not sure hes a McKenzie guy. If he is, he could be franchised. Replace C Schilens with L Murph. (His retirement talk last season won’t sit well with Mckenzie)
Branch, S Hyer is interesting. J Moss did nothing J Campbell’s a ghost who’ll get starter money
New FAs DeShawn? No f’in way U want that trouble maker on a rebuilding team besides you’ve got Ford. Franklin a must. Finnegan ok. Lynch is a beast but has a history.
Ah theres Murph. Jettison. Kelly agree especially if we go 3-4. Johnsons gone, MM34 gets another chance.
Agree withe outright ditches
Reposition: Taiwan has sub par hands no WR 4 him or long transition. Houston is only 305 and no way could he play 3-4 NT DVD is history. McKenzie will take one look at tape and fire his a-s-s.
B Campbell could be cut. Like the restructures but players won’t.
Not bad
January 17th, 2012 at 1:34 am
Sam, did you ever consider that maybe Martin Lawrence’s portrayals of whites were more accurate than Michael Richards’ portrayal of blacks? Could just be a difference in comedic talent? Or, simply put, Martin Lawrence is funny, Michael Richards isn’t, unless he’s playing his goofball Seinfeld character.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:35 am
BTW, Michael Richards rants toward black people in his audience weren’t jokes, weren’t part of his act. He was saying his words with the intention of hurting people. He admitted so much on Jay Leno and apologized to the country for it. Martin Lawrence’s intention was to make his audience laugh.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:25 am
8.morilla Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I support Moss. New, young blood just itching to pull the trigger.
And he was a former Raider. You can’t beat that.
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You can’t beat that?
Sure you can.
You beat it with someone who has a little experience at the job.
Moss has never even been hired as a DC or as a OC let alone a head coach.
He’s an inside linebacker coach.
With Al Davis we got a constant stream of either young and inexperienced or just inexperienced head coaches because Al wanted to do it all himself.
Cable and Jackson = both average coaches with no experience at being HC.
Before being hired as HC Jackson had never been more than an offensive assistant-never an OC and Cable was OL coach and had never been a DC.
I’m tired of trainee head coaches.
Nine years of this crap is enough.
We’ve got a trainee general manager, get an experienced head coach.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:26 am
…..or at least someone with a proven record as a DC or OC.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:30 am
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d8261091d/article/packers-assistant-moss-has-yet-to-be-contacted-by-raiders?module=HP11_headline_stack
January 17th, 2012 at 4:43 am
not convinced moss will work. just because he’s a former doesnt make him a good fit. shell’s 2nd stint was horrible. mckenzie either for that matter…look what happened when the browns became 49ers north. just not buying into it yet. tired of gettin all hyped up cuz an old raider comes back…saints oc sounds like a good idea(sick offense they have). maybe moss as dc but not hc
January 17th, 2012 at 5:09 am
It doesn’t matter what coaches we have unless we make a serious talent upgrade on Defense. Mitchell, Giordano, and Boyd would not see significant playing time on any other team in the league. Our secondary was a joke this year except for Branch Huff and Routt. And even Routt was at times disastorous.
CJ
Mitchell
Boyd
We MUST cut these guys. Because they are simply not NFL caliber DB’s
I thought Giordano was nothing if always in position. And for this secondary, this year, that was better than most of his teammates. I like him as a backup FS.
Bresh was in over his head, and after AD died…he tried to get too cute..with a roster specifically designed to play press man 80% of the time. Truly terrible coaching that compounded a lack of talent.
If AD hadn’t died our defense would have been a little bit better. But there’s no substitute for talent
Houston (Most overated Raider)
RoMac (Ugh….where do I begin)
Bring in guys to challenge them and take their position. Can’t cut em just yet….I think a prudent GM gives them both a one year tryout.
4-3 or 3-4???
It doesn’t matter. Like McKenzie said…”Just gimme the players”
January 17th, 2012 at 5:49 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Anything new, before I read upwards???
January 17th, 2012 at 5:51 am
Good morning Nation!!
I dont know about the rest of you, but this is a VERY EXCITING time to be a RAIDER!!
In the past, when we had coaching vacancies, I cringed at the lists of canidates that Al compiled… They always seemed like retreads that experienced little to no success and had no business of even coaching high school ball let alone my beloved Silver & Black…
Now we are getting COMPETENT canidates who have proven to have success… This gives me optimism for the future of this team and I’m psyched!!
January 17th, 2012 at 6:05 am
COMMING SOON..ART SHELL III-THE FINAL CHAPTER
January 17th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Pete Carmichael Jr.
Mike McCoy
Dennis Allen
Todd Bowles
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Any of these guys would be upgrades over Hue Jackson as HC.
in fact, add Winston Moss to that list!
January 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
McKenzie has said in the past that he would hire Moss as his head coach if he got the opportunity.
Moss said he already has a firm grasp of what he wants to do if he gets a head coaching job.
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hey Romac,
you need help packing your bags ???
January 17th, 2012 at 6:24 am
IF U R GOING 2 TRY 2 GET SOMEONE OFF THE TRLEVISION SET,GET HOWIE..
January 17th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Although I like Gruden, I don’t think he needs to come back here. Lightning rarely strikes twice – but I’m with some of you that the list of HC candidates doesn’t get me excited.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Hue Jackson will interview with the St. Louis Rams on Wednesday about their offensive coordinator vacancy.
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LOL!
I hope he gets hired there. that would be sweet
Do you think he’d insist on being involved in the Rams GM search though? “Butt out Fisher, I got this!
January 17th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Did they interview Carmichael? I read that he was given permission but it never happened yet…
Dirt Lot…I hope not…lol (Art Shell)
January 17th, 2012 at 6:30 am
Funny thing about the Rams job…Greg Williams, after the game on Saturday, went to join Fisher
January 17th, 2012 at 6:33 am
These players are like used cars. As soon as you drive them off the lot, their value goes down.
You may have drafted Mcffadden in the 1st or Wiz in the 2nd, but teams aren’t fond of paying that in return. Guys like Lito, Mccan, or Boyd has no value to even consider trading because they were unemployed at one time. Guys like Murph, Mitchell, you’ll never see anything close to what they were drafted.
Draft picks are worth far more to teams than Pro value. You have to give up a lot, just the way it’s become.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:34 am
ROCKSTAR,IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN TO THAT GAL THAT OWNES THE RAMS,IT’S ON.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Did they interview Carmichael? I read that he was given permission but it never happened yet…
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I hope it happens soon, i’d love to see what this guy has to offer.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:50 am
I don’t know why we didn’t run a lot more 2 TE sets this year. We have a stable of TE’s and have a good running game.
Put Reece in at fullback or out wide on pass plays. Run sets up the play action and have reliable TE’s to catch and or block.
I think Hue was too busy promoting his new toy so he doesn’t look bad, that backfired on him.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:52 am
Fisher got $35 Million for 5 years. Man they over paid him! They can over pay me if they want to.
January 17th, 2012 at 6:53 am
286.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 6:34 am
ROCKSTAR,IF SOMETHING SHOULD HAPPEN TO THAT GAL THAT OWNES THE RAMS,IT’S ON.
Didn’t Georgia Frontierre pass away a few years ago?
January 17th, 2012 at 6:58 am
HWNRDR,THERE U HAVE IT.GO GET EM HUE…I THINK YOU R RIGHT HWNRDR.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Yeah she left it to her son, and the son, In my opinion is sending that franchise down a downward spiral…hopefully he hit it with Fisher…
January 17th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Anyways, quiet morning so far…the only thing I heard from Schefter is that its Muhammed Ali’s birthday!
January 17th, 2012 at 7:14 am
less than 1 year ago …
Hue Jackson was named Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders, 8-8.
now he’s being “considered” for an OC position with the 2-14 Rams
any Raider fans still clinging to his nutsack???
January 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am
292.hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Yeah she left it to her son, and the son, In my opinion is sending that franchise down a downward spiral…hopefully he hit it with Fisher…
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Her son sold the team in 2010 to Stan Kroenke, who also owns the Denver Nuggets (NBA) and Colorado Avalanche (NHL) Colorado Rapids (MLS) Colorado Mammoths (NLL) and the Arsenal (British soccer team).
January 17th, 2012 at 7:21 am
any Raider fans still clinging to his nutsack???
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Yup. I actually considered trading in my Raider-dom to follow Hue wherever he goes.
SMH
January 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
295.bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am
292.hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Yeah she left it to her son, and the son, In my opinion is sending that franchise down a downward spiral…hopefully he hit it with Fisher…
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Her son sold the team in 2010 to Stan Kroenke, who also owns the Denver Nuggets (NBA) and Colorado Avalanche (NHL) Colorado Rapids (MLS) Colorado Mammoths (NLL) and the Arsenal (British soccer team).
Something I didn’t know…thanks!
But really? You are kidding about Hue right?
January 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
On Sunday night, Mike Lombardi of NFL.com reported that the Rams offered, and former Jets offensive coordinator Brian Schottenheimer will accept, the position of offensive coordinator on Jeff Fisher’s staff.
And so it was jarring to see the blurb from MDS, citing Chris Mortensen of ESPN, that former Raiders coach Hue Jackson will interview for the job.
Per Mort, Schottenheimer is still considered the favorite, but Hue “gets a shot.”
-PFT
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Are they doing Rooney Rule interviews for OC’s now, too?
January 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
NFL Ownership rules actually stipulate that Kroenke has to sell the majority stake in ALL of those teams by the end of 2014, or he will not be allowed to own the Rams.
So he will sell them to his son… way to put the clamps on him NFL.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:36 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:14 am
less than 1 year ago …
Hue Jackson was named Head Coach of the Oakland Raiders, 8-8.
now he’s being “considered” for an OC position with the 2-14 Rams
any Raider fans still clinging to his nutsack???
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Good for Hue. I knew he’d land somewhere soon.
Wade Phillips was the head coach of a playoff calibre team in Dallas then went on to turn around one of the worst defenses in football.
Everyone is capable of redemption.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I actually considered trading in my Raider-dom to follow Hue wherever he goes.
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not surprised!
SMH = what exactly?
slapping my ham ???
January 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Thinking about heading to Baltimore this year to catch some sites and a game against the Ravens! I understand that NY and Philly is nearby…true?
January 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
GREAT NEWS:
if Hue Jackson gets a job in Missouri, I’ll ask my wife where he can get his nails done!
RRS = team playa
January 17th, 2012 at 7:45 am
dude where’s our coach?
January 17th, 2012 at 7:49 am
dude where’s our coach?
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Lal?
he “jetted” to NY bro. sorry
January 17th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I don’t care if the coach is as good as Vince Lombardi, I do not like the idea of a former Bronco coach as our HC.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:52 am
lol
This short list looks kinda big to me.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Al D. Davis Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
John Tweedy Says #204:
Sorry Tweedy, first up demographically on the government assistance roles are hispanics at 50%. Second up are blacks at 30% even though they represent 10% of the population. Finally, all others, white, asian, etc. come in at 20%.
Al D Davis, maybe one of my colored friends can explain to you what ” per capita” means.
And I was born and raised in Stockton, and lived in Colton for a minute and I’ve seen plenty of lazy no good Mexicans. But per capita social drag trophy goes to da porch monkeys real talk my ni gar.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am
I don’t know about Moss being a head coach. I think we need a good defensive coordinator which maybe he would fit the bill and it would still be a promotion for him from linebacker coach to D-coordinator…not Coach.
Either way, I put this whole thing on McKenzie and the risk is really that he decides he needs time to build a playoff team. From 1 game away this year, we HAVE to be in the playoffs next year. Fix what needs to be fixed, and that which is working..DONT MESS WITH IT.
January 17th, 2012 at 7:59 am
^^ who brought this guy?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:01 am
What’s up 408?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:01 am
LOL @ 303 RR.
Great HC don’t have time to get their nail done. Between family and Football, they don’t have a lot of time for anything else.
Maybe Hue should have cared more about the Raiders than his nails, and Maybe he would still be the HC, and we wouldn’t have finished 8-8.
We can do better IMHO.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am
HueJax was just in over his head with an enormous amount of unchecked power given to him. He’s going to learn how to be human and be in his place. I fault him for being so immature and emotional as a head coach in the wrong way, but overall, his heart is in the right place. He just didnt know how to get there. Good luck to him.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am
So did Dorothy Hamill and Mongo get us a coach yet?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:03 am
W Moss has been considered for a few HC positions the last few years, and that’s why GB promoted him to Assostant HC = Second in command.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
Good Morning 408. It’s been a long time? How is my favorite modern farmer & his fog Roxy?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
good morning hwnrdr
Trying to catch up on my fix and stay warm. How’s it going?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Dog*
January 17th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Just off the top of my head I can name MANY former HC’s who became coordinators AFTER being canned from another team and are not considered to have achieved “suck” status like some are suggesting for Hue. As if “well if he didn’t suck he’d be a candidate for another HC position somewhere else”.
-Mike Martz -SB winning HC ‘Greatest show on Turf’.
-Mike Nolan- One of the most respected DC’s in the league
-Wade Phillips
-Dick LeBeau
-Josh McDaniels
-Dick Jauron
-Mike Tice
Only 5 (6 tops) HC gigs open up any given year with MANY guys vying for those gigs.
You can say Hue isn’t a playoff caliber HC, but too many suggesting he’s some piece of crap and should be coaching in the UFL at best.
People mention what he did with other teams BEFORE he got here, like it wasn’t impressive at all but conveniently ignore what HE DID DO HERE as if it shouldn’t even be on his resume. Why? Cuz it’s Oakland and it shouldn’t count?
Last I checked the Raiders ARE in the NFL and with an admittedly tuff schedule and his QB going down and his best player going down (DMAC) he still made it to 8-8.
Guys have done a heck of a lot worse.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
301.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I actually considered trading in my Raider-dom to follow Hue wherever he goes.
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not surprised!
SMH = what exactly?
slapping my ham ???
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Wow. Not surprised? Really…
SMH = Shaking My Head. That was obvious sarcasm, and downright disgust at you.
I guess I should expect it since your mouth is still firmly planted on Jonnie Lee Higgens nutsack.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
morning O
Idk 4eva been mia for a while now. I kinda stopped commenting here when becker was on his band for life flow. I think its safe to have an opinion now.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Going good bro…just multi-tasking at work here!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Have we hired Capers yet?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Hawaiian.
No offense bruh, but who goes on vacation to Baltimore?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am
-Mike Martz -SB winning HC ‘Greatest show on Turf’.
He lost that year, but get your point!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am
After some lengthy thoughts last night on my blog GM duties, I am adding Lamar Houston to the list of players with trade value who could be dangled.
Not that I want to get rid of him, but if we change defenses, and McKenzie wants picks, Houston could actually get something in return.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am
324.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Hawaiian.
No offense bruh, but who goes on vacation to Baltimore?
LOL…hey, never been there…it depends on what time of year we play the Ravens…if its towards t he end in the Winter…probably a no go!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Who cares about Hue. He is been fired.
You People need to get over it!
We finished 8-8 again, and face the division to Denver!
That alone should get him fired!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Dont waste your time defending Hue. Sadly these guys will NEVER recognize the man for what he did here, and instead focus on this perceived notion of him, to the point of actually saying you AREN’T a fan of this team if you liked Hue. It is sad really, some of the more intelligent bloggers have reduced themselves to nothing more than Trolls over this.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am
It was over for me when Hue was getting a mani pedi while we were handing the division to the donkeys!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:14 am
408,
I know bro. I’m banned for life. I can’t post from my home. Only my phone. lol
I hope all is well with him and Roxy.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Not that I want to get rid of him, but if we change defenses, and McKenzie wants picks, Houston could actually get something in return.
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McKenzie will trade anyone on the roster that can fetch a worthwhile draft pick. No reason for anyone to be safe, Reg didn’t aquire any of them and has no allegience to them.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am
My brother lives an hour from B-More, so I have “vacationed” there many a time.
If you go, you have to take the water taxi’s in the Inner Harbor for some cool shopping and nightlife.
I just remember one was called Canton and was real cool, upscale yet fun. Another was some dive with strip joints and Russian Hookers everywhere.
3 hour drive to Philly, give or take, and I think there is some rail thing that will take you to NY, even all the way to Boston, but I never took it.
And have to go during crab season, to get the fresh blue crab cakes!!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Can someone please tell me why You People want to trade young talent for draft picks which are a gamble?
Trade Vets with Huge contracts, and you know they can restructure before trade to help the other team.
I don’t get it.
Trade Houston, Ford, Romac, etc….?!?!! Why?!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am
the Charm City is a pretty nice city. You get the ‘Big City’ feel without the chaos of a NY or LA. Cleveland is like that also, I love driving down there, its only about 4 hours. I can see why someone would visit Baltimore.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:19 am
I dont think we should trade young talent with a lot of potential for unknown draft picks. Makes no sense to me.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:19 am
I don’t get it.
Trade Houston, Ford, Romac, etc….?!?!! Why?!
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You can’t play, or in this case GM, scared.
I am sure McKenzie has confidence in himself to be able to draft a player that is better than Houston.
Won’t always work, but sometimes you have to play that pair of 8’s in Hold ‘Em.
Can’t be a weenie and say Jacoby Ford is the best we can do.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:20 am
And have to go during crab season, to get the fresh blue crab cakes!!
That’s what I’m talking about…when is crab season though?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:20 am
O, I will only speak for myself and JFB, we aren’t saying we WANT to trade these guys, just that they COULD be traded. The new ORG has no allegience to these players, and Reggie is known for coveting draft picks… of which we have none. Maybe you think Reggie is going to trade some training equipment for draft picks??
January 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am
I wouldn’t trade any player unless they don’t fit my scheme, but I wouldn’t trade a player on the hope that a draft pick can do better.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am
That would be hilarious!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am
O,
It’s all about value man.
I would say Houston’s “value” when factoring his producting and salary is around a 3rd rounder, maybe late 2nd.
If some team is offering us pick #41 for him, that is above value and you have to consider it.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am
Raider O.. the same people who want to dump players are the first who will be complaining when those players become stars in other teams… its ridiculous.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Is going from “ILB Coach/Asst HC” to “DC” considered a promotion ???
If not, expect him to stay in Green Bay ..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am
So RM is headed to Denver to do some interviews and hasn’t contacted Moss yet ?
Maybe the interest in Moss is being overstated.
Someone refresh my memory – did Al Davis interview Moss at one time ?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am
If Reggie listened to fans we would be in the cellar of the afc west for five years straight..lol
January 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am
So did Dorothy Hamill and Mongo get us a coach yet?
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LMAO
January 17th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Trade Training equipment?
Hmmm, let’s see:
Training equipment or young talent?!?!
Hmmmm, what about Vets like TK, Seymour, and Routt?
I know they are not training equipment, but maybe they have some trade value, but not as much as those damn training equipment.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am
“So RM is headed to Denver to do some interviews and hasn’t contacted Moss yet ?”
No the coaches are headed here for an interview that’s how it works
January 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Is going from “ILB Coach/Asst HC” to “DC” considered a promotion ???
If not, expect him to stay in Green Bay ..
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No.
Asst HC to DC is not a promotion.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I think because of the “title”, the only promotion will be HC— I think…
January 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Hue Jack interviewing in St Louis. .. here’s a prediction if Fisher hires him….. he’s going to ask raiders for Palmer. .for a 3 rd round pick…
January 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:25 am
“So RM is headed to Denver to do some interviews and hasn’t contacted Moss yet ?”
No the coaches are headed here for an interview that’s how it works
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No sir, RM is doing those interviews in Denver..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
If Reggie listened to fans we would be in the cellar of the afc west for five years straight..lol
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So far, Reggie and I are in lockstep.
Fire Hue was the first step. Hiring a defensive minded coach would be my next step.
Than finding some trade value for Ford, Houston, maybe Murphy and see what happens.
After we do those, I will let you know what is next.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Thinking about heading to Baltimore this year to catch some sites and a game against the Ravens! I understand that NY and Philly is nearby…true?
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GM Hwnrdr…
Philly
90mins drive North
NYC
2hrs 30mins drive North
January 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Vegas,
If you think he is valued at late 2nd -3rd, then why would another team offer pick # 41?
You can’t depend on a Doug Jolly trade every season, or a PB trade to the texans.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Rams are invested in Bradford.
He was the last of the big-money #1 overall picks before the new CBA.
I think they already paid him like $30 million dollars.
Palmer is not going to the Rams.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:29 am
355.ravenaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Thinking about heading to Baltimore this year to catch some sites and a game against the Ravens! I understand that NY and Philly is nearby…true?
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GM Hwnrdr…
Philly
90mins drive North
NYC
2hrs 30mins drive North
Whats up man? Still trying to get the plan together…I guess next step will be April when the schedule comes up!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:29 am
We don’t need crazy trades,,what we need is to have discipline instilled in the players we have ie; Houston Texans.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Atleast coaches are willing to listen now… I remember when al davis only had rejects comming over… to coach the Raiders. Its refreshing to see good coaches interviewing for hc job. I hope we get Pete Carmichael Jr. .. o coordinator from new Orleans. .
January 17th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Vegas,
I agree with your idea/ concept (over Value), but I don’t think that will happen unless a te is desperate like we were last season.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:33 am
SMH = Shaking My Head
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Gotcha!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Ghost,
I think some of our players have a good chance of becoming stars.
Ford
Houston
Romac: I know, but I will give him another chance.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Depending on when the game will be,you can turn this into a sports East coast trip.
If Phils,Yanks,Nats or O’s get to MLB post season.Then maybe basketball season will be underway.
I was pissed in November when I was there for the Broncos game.The NBA lockout prevented me from going to the Warriors-Spurs game which would have been that Tuesday
January 17th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I forgot to add TP, Reece, Moore, Veldheer, and Wiz. I also like our 2 young CBs.
Trade TK, Huff, Routt, and Seymour for picks (if R McKenzie needs more). They can restructure and then traded.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:35 am
I pray that our new HC brings in Nolan.. If he is still available..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Raider O.. this draft class is not particularly good anyway. Were not going to get fair value when were having a fire sale with our players… I say wait for new coaching staff… maybe they can coach these guys up.. its obvious Romac would thrive more in the 3-4 system that he played in college.. so lets wait n see..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Whats up man? Still trying to get the plan together…I guess next step will be April when the schedule comes up!
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Exactly…no Lockout this year so you can get things together early.That lockout damn near killed me man.Had to wait so darn late to book my flight.You know the sooner/the cheaper.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:38 am
After we do those, I will let you know what is next.
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LOL!
Then or than, JFB?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I will only speak for myself and JFB
- BCZ
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LOL!
JFB,
can I speak for you too?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:40 am
That’s one good point… I would ask a lot of these guys to restructure their contracts. . Those would be the first I would trade or release.. but the talk here seems like the writing is on the wall… “Rebuilding” time…
January 17th, 2012 at 8:43 am
368.ravenaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Whats up man? Still trying to get the plan together…I guess next step will be April when the schedule comes up!
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Exactly…no Lockout this year so you can get things together early.That lockout damn near killed me man.Had to wait so darn late to book my flight.You know the sooner/the cheaper.
True!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:44 am
What up Nation!
I like Pete Carmichael if we could get him in some capacity. The only question I have with him is can he lead men especially when things get tough.
He’s not a tough in your face type of guy or even a stern guy for that matter. He knows offense and can call plays.
But I think our current locker room would eat him alive. Can’t see him stopping the penalty slide. Hope Reggie can come in and threaten some guys and maybe make a couple examples. We’ll see.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:44 am
Ghostraiders Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:23 am
If Reggie listened to fans we would be in the cellar of the afc west for five years straight..lol
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Right on. Most of what I’ve read here is so ignorant, it’s astounding.
One of the best though is the trading of McClain. Even if the draft still had 12 rounds, no way in hell we get a pick for that POS.
January 17th, 2012 at 8:45 am
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
January 17th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Deuce Deuce
why would you do an interview off site that doesn’t make any sense.
One would think that you would want to show the potential head coach around the complex.
I have never heard of this before where a HC is interviewed off site.
Link please!
January 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Interesting interview last nigh with Donald Driver. Said he’s not sure if Packers will have him back. Said if not then he will have to find somewhere else to play.
Driver > Schilens/Housh
January 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Schefter is insisting we interviewed Carmichael on Friday..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Deuce Deuce
why would you do an interview off site that doesn’t make any sense.
One would think that you would want to show the potential head coach around the complex.
I have never heard of this before where a HC is interviewed off site.
Link please!
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Sorry bro, Im at work. Cant do links… But I read it on Twitter on my way to work..
Said RM will fly to Denver to interview them..
I think with a tour & things your trying to impress the candidate… In this case I think THEY need to impress the interviewer..
January 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am
One of the best though is the trading of McClain. Even if the draft still had 12 rounds, no way in hell we get a pick for that POS.
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Joe,
Exactly! … but if some team is dumb enough to offer a 5th or 6th rounder, you take it and unload that monster contract. You can get McClain type production from a late rounder or undrafted free agent
January 17th, 2012 at 8:54 am
I wonder if, following his Denver trip, Reggie takes a trip up to GB to speak with Moss et al…
January 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am
I agree with BCZ and JFB.
We are talking about positions where we have depth.
Can’t trade RoMac because that would put a hole in an already depleted LB unit.
WR and DT actually has some depth. Houston, Bryant, and Seymour can all play 3-4 DE. We can probably get a guy like Cullen Jenkin pretty cheap as a FA.
Donald Driver and Murphy would be pretty good options for the #3 and 4 WR spots. DHB and Moore are CLEARLY the starters with their size and speed. Ford could certainly be traded for the right price.
Again, we have depth at those positions. Why not parlay it into things that we NEED like NT and LB depth?
January 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am
JFB,
can I speak for you too?
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I have confidence you can handle the pressure that comes along with this.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:05 am
384.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
What’s up DMAC?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Schefter is reporting that Carl Nicks will most likely not be retained by NO?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:10 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:05 am
384.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
What’s up DMAC?
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Need the G-Men to pull out a victory.
I’m so tired of these bandwagon SF fans.
(I went to the mall in Milpitas, w/ my Raider hat on. Couldn’t believe all those people w/ Whiner gear on. Had to leave, cuz I was so sick of seeing that schit.)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Schefter is reporting that Carl Nicks will most likely not be retained by NO?
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Fa’sho!
Wiz to C and sign Nicks.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:11 am
LOL!
JFB,
can I speak for you too?
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I said I can speak for JFB because this conversation has been floated for days now, and I was confortable in assuming JFB and I were on the same wavelength.
I know, hard for you to see with JLH sized arabian sand-goggles on…
January 17th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Schefter is insisting we interviewed Carmichael on Friday..
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Tampering?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am
387.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:10 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:05 am
384.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
What’s up DMAC?
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Need the G-Men to pull out a victory.
I’m so tired of these bandwagon SF fans.
(I went to the mall in Milpitas, w/ my Raider hat on. Couldn’t believe all those people w/ Whiner gear on. Had to leave, cuz I was so sick of seeing that schit.)
388.DMAC Says:
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Schefter is reporting that Carl Nicks will most likely not be retained by NO?
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Fa’sho!
Wiz to C and sign Nicks.
I agree on both accounts!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:16 am
378.408RAIDER Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Schefter is insisting we interviewed Carmichael on Friday..
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Schefter is right on this. The interview took place between team meetings while the Saints were in San Fran preparing for 49ers. Carmichael was the second interview after Bowles.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:16 am
390.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Schefter is insisting we interviewed Carmichael on Friday..
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Tampering?
No, first report I read was that he was given permission, since he was here in the Bay Friday…then a report came out that the interview didn’t happen, then now it did…weird!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Can’t trade RoMac because that would put a hole in an already depleted LB unit.
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Jhill,
Can’t trade Romac because nobody wants his massive contract and horrid play!
As stated previously, place him on the trade block and takr what you can get. Dump Ricky Brown & Darryl Blackstock while we’re at it and start over at the position. See if Goethel can even make it through OTA’s, camp & preseason without getting injured (again)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Saints also not likely to re-sign jonathan Vilma.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Fa’sho!
Wiz to C and sign Nicks.
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I think Nicks would take over for Coop (sorry Vegas) if we managed to sign him.
I’d like to see Wiz stay where he’s at and get Nicks and a legit C somehow.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Moss will coach Ro up.
Book it.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:19 am
So did GB deny us permission to interview their people while their season was still in progress?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I agree Ghost.
Keep the young talent, and let the new coaching staff work with them for an entire season.
Players I wouldn’t trade:
Moore, DHB, and Ford
Palmer, TP
DMC
Veldheer & Wiz
Matt S, Dez (RFA), and Houston
Romac, Curry, and Wimbley
Branch (after we sign him), and the 2 young CBs (I really like their potential).
I would trade:
Seymour
TK
Routt
Huff
And they can restructure so trams can handle their salaries.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Don’t know if Carl Nicks is on the outs down here. Team seems pretty high on him. But then again the let Jeff Faine go to Bucs and he had a great year right after with Freeman have a breakout year. Then the following year they let Johnathan Goodwin go to 49ers and look what he did this year with Alex Smith behind him.
Which is why Aaron Kromar stock is rising.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am
As stated previously, place him on the trade block and takr what you can get.
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Not going to happen.
Just like DHB, McClain is going to be a good player for us.
I understand the heat he is taking for the gun charge.
His play on the field was decent last year in a lot of games. Amazing to me that people are discounting him playing with an injured leg. I guess he should have pulled a DMac and Ford and just sat out 5 games to get better?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
397.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Moss will coach Ro up.
Book it.
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Are we going to send Eddie Anderson home with Slowlando to make sure he works out, doesn’t eat too much and doesn’t blow someone’s head off?
Fk McLazy. Trade him to the Cowgirls.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
So teams*
January 17th, 2012 at 9:24 am
They’ll let Carl Nicks go because he’ll command a similar contract to the one Evans just got, and you simply can’t pay everyone – much less two offensive guards – that kind of money.
Personally, if the Raiders are going to go after a guard in free agency, I’d rather it be a value signing like Evan Mathis.
Re-sign Heyer to take over at LG, move Wiz to C, and find out if Campbell or Barksdale can take over at RT. The Raiders should probably draft an OG/RT type player.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
397.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Moss will coach Ro up.
Book it.
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Are we going to send Eddie Anderson home with Slowlando to make sure he works out, doesn’t eat too much and doesn’t blow someone’s head off?
Fk McLazy. Trade him to the Cowgirls.
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Sometimes 22 year old kids make dumb decisions.
Especially first time millionaire 22 year old kids.
He’ll be alright.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Trade Darren McInjured too!!!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
And I am in no way locked in to McClain. I wanted Pierre Paul if you recall.
Just not in a hurry to see Blackstock or Ricky Brown at MLB either.
Get Vilma, and we can certainly talk about trading McClain.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
398.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:19 am
So did GB deny us permission to interview their people while their season was still in progress?
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Probably just a logistics issue since Carmichael was already in town vs any GB assistant would have had to be taken away from preparations for at least a day because any potential HC you most likely want them to tour the facility and area.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
God knows what I did when I was 22. I can’t remember, or I’m trying to forget.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:27 am
BCZ,
what don’t you like about Johnnie Lee?
he was our best WR for 2 years.
You don’t think he could have matched or exceeded the production of Hagan or you boy Housh??
Puhleeze
January 17th, 2012 at 9:27 am
I would trade:
Seymour
TK
Routt
Huff
And they can restructure so trams can handle their salaries.
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I like the trade options, but I would include Ford and keep Routt. (He’s a solid #2 corner. Add Finnegan)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Dan Connor is a free agent the Raiders should look at if they want to move on from McClain.
Connor and Curry at ILB with Wimbley at OLB could work for a 3-4.
They need to find an answer at the other side. Shaughnessy might be a little stiff to be that guy… Trevor Scott might be an option, but is he fully recovered from his knee injury? The Raiders would do well to move up in the draft for a DE/OLB type who can make plays in the backfield.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Fk McLazy. Trade him to the Cowgirls.
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I saw you last Laker post to me the other night, Dakota.
I think it’s amazing how different your sports takes are.
6′6 power fowards like Paul Milsap DROOL at the thought of going against Gasoft. He has a reputation around the league as being soft since the Boston series, yes, 4 years ago.
Bynum PLAYED during that 2nd championship run. Had Perkins not got hurt, Boston would have simply beat Gasoft into submission, AND YOU KNOW IT.
How can you continue to defend soft play from 7 footers and them give our MLB shiiddd for playing instead of sitting on the sidelines like McFadden?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:30 am
407.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
And I am in no way locked in to McClain. I wanted Pierre Paul if you recall.
Just not in a hurry to see Blackstock or Ricky Brown at MLB either.
Get Vilma, and we can certainly talk about trading McClain.
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J Hill,
I saw a pre-draft interview with Pierre-Paul and didn’t like what I saw. He looked unmotivated like he didn’t care much about football, only about money. His former coaches had to pry him to play and he quit once and they had to talk him out of quitting.
The Giants and Tom Coughlin/ Perry Fewell might have been the best tandem of coaches for him. If he were with us, he might have been laughing it up on the sidelines and getting unsportsmanlike penalties out the you know what.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:31 am
398.LA to TheBay Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:19 am
So did GB deny us permission to interview their people while their season was still in progress?
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Maybe the Packers have a policy on not interviewing until the season is over..
RM would know that having just come from there.. So no need to even ask them..
January 17th, 2012 at 9:32 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Dan Connor is a free agent the Raiders should look at if they want to move on from McClain.
Connor and Curry at ILB with Wimbley at OLB could work for a 3-4.
They need to find an answer at the other side. Shaughnessy might be a little stiff to be that guy… Trevor Scott might be an option, but is he fully recovered from his knee injury? The Raiders would do well to move up in the draft for a DE/OLB type who can make plays in the backfield.
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Mix in a little Moss as the outside rusher. (OLB)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Moss has already failed as an OLB in a 3-4.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Hey DMAC,you coming to the Bmore game next season? We are due to win a game out here! Hope it will be PRIME TIME.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am
You don’t think he could have matched or exceeded the production of Hagan or you boy Housh??
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How is Housh my boy? Seriously. Because I understood the logic of signing a WR that Palmer was comfortable with while trying to transition him into our offense? (I have said, and still believe, that this move had no bearing on our season)
Lets think back to the offseason when YOU wanted a vet WR and said we should sign Housh. But now he is my boy…
Right.
TJ proved what most of us knew, he has nothing left. It cost is nothing to sign him (unless you believe Hagan has a bright future) and he will not even be asked back. Palmer is comfortable with his receivers now and will have all offseason to grow an even better raport with them.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:36 am
YA,
how about Dan Connor & Jon Vilma?
switch to a 3-4 defense and draft some big uglies to rotate at NT
January 17th, 2012 at 9:36 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Moss has already failed as an OLB in a 3-4.
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Solely back-up purposes.
C’mon man. The dude cried when we lost to the Chargers.
That counts for something in my book. (gots heart) like you know who?
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 9:37 am
ravenaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Hey DMAC,you coming to the Bmore game next season? We are due to win a game out here! Hope it will be PRIME TIME.
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Would love 2.
I’ll start the savings right now.
Hope to see you next season.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Ford is one of our best WRs, he is cheap since he was a 3rd RD pick, and he has 2 more years on his contract.
No Way he should be traded for a draft Pick.
If we are going to trade Ford then I want another talented young player at a different position and not gamble on a draft pick!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:39 am
418.ravenaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Hey DMAC,you coming to the Bmore game next season? We are due to win a game out here! Hope it will be PRIME TIME.
I’m trying to get a goo dcrowd going there…like I said though…depends on when!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:39 am
We need to stick with McClain if we switch to 3-4.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Bringing in Vilma would be excellent for us & for McClain’s career..
January 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Raider O Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Ford is one of our best WRs, he is cheap since he was a 3rd RD pick, and he has 2 more years on his contract.
No Way he should be traded for a draft Pick.
If we are going to trade Ford then I want another talented young player at a different position and not gamble on a draft pick!
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Don’t want to trade him, but we might have 2 if we want some draft picks.
+ we’re pretty set w/ our wide outs (Moore, DHB, Murph)
We can use the pick on a NT. (I trust McKenzie)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Jonathan Vilma = finance major, member of the collegiate finance association (as was I) and future bad azz Wall Street dude
January 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
This will be Romac’s 3rd season.
If the dude doesn’t cut it, or show much improvement in his 3rd season, then its time to move on.
Period!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Amazing to me that people are discounting him playing with an injured leg. I guess he should have pulled a DMac and Ford and just sat out 5 games to get better?
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Zingerr!!!!!!!!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Ford was gone for as much as DMAC was.
I don’t hear anyone talking schit about him.
Dude gets injured all the time also.
(Let the fireworks begin!!!)
January 17th, 2012 at 9:47 am
We are set at WR with Moore, DHB, and Ford.
LM is a backup at best.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Pau Gasol is a top 15 player in the NBA, and I fkn hate the Lakers and kills me to say it.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:47 am
We are set at WR with Moore, DHB, and Ford.
LM is a backup at best.
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Still want that vet WR to move the chains.
Murph = 4th wide out
Ford = Trade bait
January 17th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I knew there was a reason why I liked J Vilma!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:36 am
YA,
how about Dan Connor & Jon Vilma?
switch to a 3-4 defense and draft some big uglies to rotate at NT
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Vilma is under contract I think?
Personally, I’m cool with sticking with McClain because he’s not making all that much in 2012. And if the 3-4 helps him become more comfortable and covers up his deficiencies, then all the better.
Curry could be the other ILB, but it’s not like the guy is lights out or anything. The Raiders might opt to either restructure him to a more manageable salary, or cut him in February to avoid paying him $5.5 million in 2012. I think it’s possible that Dan Connor could be signed for about $3-4 million a year, and is a much better player.
At NT, Paul Soliai and Aubrayo Franklin should be the Raiders’ main targets, unless they can move up to the early second round of the draft and get Ta’amu or Poe.
OLB is the real issue for the Raiders if they switch to a 3-4. Top-heavy DE/OLB class in the draft – won’t get a top prospect unless they’re picking late 1st/early 2nd round. And unless the Raiders are going to bring in Packers FA Erik Walden, who is an average OLB, there aren’t many other options for them in free agency.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I will definately be back to the O.co for another home game.Plan also to go to the game in Atlanta
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I say we franchise Matt Giordano & trade him for 2 1st round picks…
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
DAMN!!
Can’t believe we went w/ Huffy over Gholston, last season.
That one hurts!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:53 am
political correctness = the refusal, because of bias, to give credence to or to give consideration to conclusions reached after testing hypotheses using the scientific method; the refusal to acknowledge, due to bias, that such hypotheses were tested using the scientific method; the fear of speaking aloud or of writing about a concept or even a “fact” which has been shown to have merit, the merit having been established by methods that adhere to discovery through using the scientific method; the refusal to entertain an idea, even though that idea may have been substantiated by rigorous testing that adheres to the scientific method, because such an idea causes social or political discomfort…..
Political correctness is never a substitute for the truth.
Example: We know that the male and female brain are different, but to discuss this in some college classrooms leads feminists to anger. (Irony of ironies, as the academe is supposed to be the most receptive place for entertaining new ideas and for testing hypotheses, even though such discoveries may be uncomfortable for some, yet in many ways, it has become the least receptive place for such ideas).
We know that the extremes of intelligence, the left and the right ends of the Bell Curve, are found to be dominated by the male of the species (many more men at 150+ than women, but many more men at 85-) with females primarily falling in distributions between the two extremes); this has been tested again and again, has been found to be predictive again and again, but you’ll find the idea is bothersome to some who WISH to believe that intelligence is not heritable, who wish to believe that intelligence is primarily culturally and socially learned, who wish to believe that women and men have the same brain structure, thus the same cognitive function and so reject scientific studies.)
The bad news: the last three decades were, in a sense, a type of Dark Ages, with academicians afraid to share their ideas and their work, with even the NIH afraid to fund certain studies, with acclaimed scientists and writers whispering to one another.
The good news: it’s changing, due to new technologies that offer indisputable evidence of certain formerly disputed ideas, due to a rebellion of sorts on the part of scientists who are tired of just how out of hand the “poltical correctness” grew, with groups of people spouting absurdities that flew in the face of all evidence.
Sully, brace yourself this next 10 years. The truth can be used for good–but first you have to face it.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I say we franchise Matt Giordano & trade him for 2 1st round picks…
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No fk’n way!
He’s worth 2 1st rounders and a 2nd rounder in next years draft.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
O,
Vilma interns for Wall Street firms during the offseason.
I even seen him ring the opening bell once!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DMAC,
That’s a good idea, but it has to be a cheap Vet. I think McJenzie said he wants a similar system to GB. The only big name FA that GB signed (in the last decade) was Charles W. I think the days of signing big name FAs are Over.
RIP Mr. Davis. I miss that man a lot.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
DAMN!!
Can’t believe we went w/ Huffy over Gholston, last season.
That one hurts!
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My thoughts exactly.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
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I was wondering the same. Seems like he would be better at just pinning his ears back and rushing.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
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Nope. Has been a 4-3 SLB since college. Not a natural pass rusher.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Vegas,
That’s impressive. You think he would want to relax, but that shows his love for finance.
He is a BULL!!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
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I was wondering the same. Seems like he would be better at just pinning his ears back and rushing.
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Thats what I’m saying.
Just let him loose!
January 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
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Nope. Has been a 4-3 SLB since college. Not a natural pass rusher.
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Ya, I know that. Just LOOKS like he would be better as a pass rusher in a 3-4. Whatever puts him in the least amount of coverage.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Isn’t Curry best suited for an outside LB in a 3-4 (pass rusher) and not the middle?
Someone break it down for me please?
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Nope. Has been a 4-3 SLB since college. Not a natural pass rusher.
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Didn’t cover him much in college.
Was he that horrible in the passing game in college?
January 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Curry is best suited to cover kickoffs and break up screen passes.
Anything else, is extremely iffy.
Constant over-pursuer, horrible in space, not a good pass rusher, horrendous in coverage.
January 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I’m trying to get a goo dcrowd going there…like I said though…depends on when
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YEAH! Would be nice….last time Raiders played here we were 10pt dogs-I knew we would lose that game but M&T Bank Stadium was about 30% Silver & Black with JaWalrus at QB and Lame the HC.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Yeah, even before the draft the one criticism of Curry was that he never really made impact plays rushing the passer. But it was OK because every other part of his game was supposed to be very solid. As it turns out…
January 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think Curry could excel as an outside rusher, w/ the proper coaching.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Still would rather see him rushing and holding the edge than out in coverage.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Still would rather see him rushing and holding the edge than out in coverage.
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I’d rather see him as a reserve player making $500k than as a lower-tier starter making $5.5 million.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am
So is it safe to say, it’s time to move in another direction w/ our LB coach. (bye bye Biekert?)
January 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Obviously.
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hwnrdr Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
Moss has a good attitude!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
453.ravenaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I’m trying to get a goo dcrowd going there…like I said though…depends on when
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YEAH! Would be nice….last time Raiders played here we were 10pt dogs-I knew we would lose that game but M&T Bank Stadium was about 30% Silver & Black with JaWalrus at QB and Lame the HC.
Can’t wait for April!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Gasoft has the skillset to arguably be the best big man in the game.
That’s not what we are talking about though.
Look, you cats are cool with the Euro 7 footer style of hanging around the 3 pt line, and I like Bynum’s true big man game approach.
I guess I’ll just file that one in the your entitled to your opinion bin.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:07 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Still would rather see him rushing and holding the edge than out in coverage.
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I’d rather see him as a reserve player making $500k than as a lower-tier starter making $5.5 million.
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Well there’s this.
(Because Curry’s salary is not guaranteed in 2012, the Seahawks could release him in February without any financial obligation. The restructured deal also makes it easier to move Curry in a trade.)
January 17th, 2012 at 10:07 am
I brought this up a few months ago. I was told because Ford isn’t a 1st round pick.
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DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Ford was gone for as much as DMAC was.
I don’t hear anyone talking schit about him.
Dude gets injured all the time also.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:08 am
This is what my gut tells me but the new DC will do as he see’s fit.
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DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am
So is it safe to say, it’s time to move in another direction w/ our LB coach. (bye bye Biekert?)
January 17th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I know Curry had his moments both Bad and Good, so I don’t think I’m ready to judge him, but I like to see what he can do in a different scheme and an improved coaching staff.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:09 am
J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Gasoft has the skillset to arguably be the best big man in the game.
That’s not what we are talking about though.
Look, you cats are cool with the Euro 7 footer style of hanging around the 3 pt line, and I like Bynum’s true big man game approach.
I guess I’ll just file that one in the your entitled to your opinion bin.
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D12 >
January 17th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raider O Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I know Curry had his moments both Bad and Good, so I don’t think I’m ready to judge him, but I like to see what he can do in a different scheme and an improved coaching staff.
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Agreed.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Strength and Conditioning – Brad Roll
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris DiSanto
Strength and Conditioning Assistant – Chris Pearson
What about these dudes? Are they part fault? Should they get the axe? Or was some of the injuries, due to the lock out?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I like our LBs, and I think they are a better fit in the 3-4 defense or a hybrid defense.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:12 am
413.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Fk McLazy. Trade him to the Cowgirls.
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I saw you last Laker post to me the other night, Dakota.
I think it’s amazing how different your sports takes are.
6′6 power fowards like Paul Milsap DROOL at the thought of going against Gasoft. He has a reputation around the league as being soft since the Boston series, yes, 4 years ago.
Bynum PLAYED during that 2nd championship run. Had Perkins not got hurt, Boston would have simply beat Gasoft into submission, AND YOU KNOW IT.
How can you continue to defend soft play from 7 footers and them give our MLB shiiddd for playing instead of sitting on the sidelines like McFadden?
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You cannot compare the two sports. Sorry Jhill.
Gasol should have been the MVP of the 2010 series, and you know it. We do not win EITHER the 2009 or 2010 rings without him. We added him and went from a .500 team getting whipped by the Suns to going to three straight finals.
Your take on Gasol is foolish.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Is Chuck B fired
January 17th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Raider O Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I like our LBs, and I think they are a better fit in the 3-4 defense or a hybrid defense.
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I Agree
January 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
(Because Curry’s salary is not guaranteed in 2012, the Seahawks could release him in February without any financial obligation. The restructured deal also makes it easier to move Curry in a trade.)
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Yep, I mentioned that above. Very possible he’ll be cut.
At OLB I worry about his ability to take on the LT. Aside from blowing up an injured Marcus McNeil, I haven’t seen anything from him that would indicate he can constantly take on the opposing team’s best blocker.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Say what you want about Curry, but he is BY FAR our 2nd best LB.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Still would rather see him rushing and holding the edge than out in coverage.
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With the season on the line against San Diego, facing a 3rd and short in the 4th quarter, Curry was asked to “hold the edge”, only he came crashing into the line, they pitched it outside to Matthews who got 20+ yards jogging, and every defensive player was looking at Curry like “WTF”.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/chargers-cornerback-makes-waves-with-l-a-tweets/
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
According to wikipedia…….
Wide Receivers – Vacant
Defensive Coordinator – Vacant
Linebackers – Vacant
Secondary – Vacant
January 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
(Because Curry’s salary is not guaranteed in 2012, the Seahawks could release him in February without any financial obligation. The restructured deal also makes it easier to move Curry in a trade.)
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Yep, I mentioned that above. Very possible he’ll be cut.
At OLB I worry about his ability to take on the LT. Aside from blowing up an injured Marcus McNeil, I haven’t seen anything from him that would indicate he can constantly take on the opposing team’s best blocker.
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Id think he would re-structure.
And he held the edge hands down better than Groves did.
I think he can do it in a 3-4. All depends on our staff.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Say what you want about Curry, but he is BY FAR our 2nd best LB.
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Agreed.
What’s more disappointing is that Wimbley is the Raiders’ best LB.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Say what you want about Curry, but he is BY FAR our 2nd best LB.
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That’s like being the second “thinest” chubby kid at fat camp.
We don’t even have one GOOD LB, to be excited about our 2nd best LB.
Hell, Gio might be our 2nd best S, Boller our 2nd best QB, and Lito was our 2nd best DB.
Some good that did.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Still would rather see him rushing and holding the edge than out in coverage.
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With the season on the line against San Diego, facing a 3rd and short in the 4th quarter, Curry was asked to “hold the edge”, only he came crashing into the line, they pitched it outside to Matthews who got 20+ yards jogging, and every defensive player was looking at Curry like “WTF”.
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Doesnt change my opinion.
Good coaching can cure those things.
And it was Tolbert not Matthews.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Vilma is under contract I think?
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YA,
on point – as usual. He’s not a free agent until 2014
just looked it up. I just saw other semi pro’s throwing his name around and assumed he was available
January 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
“Gio” 2nd best????
TRY FIRST BEST PAL.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Who started the Vilma talk?? Getting people excited…
Maybe it was in reference to him being a cap casualty…?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
And it was Tolbert not Matthews.
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Either way, it wasn’t much confidence to me that he has any ability to hold the edge.
Have him cover kickoffs and rotate in as a LB.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I think we have a bigger concern at the interior of our D-line. Moving Houston in the middle should help, if we stick to the 4-3.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You cannot compare the two sports. Sorry Jhill.
Gasol should have been the MVP of the 2010 series, and you know it. We do not win EITHER the 2009 or 2010 rings without him. We added him and went from a .500 team getting whipped by the Suns to going to three straight finals.
Your take on Gasol is foolish.
But remember…he wasn’t hard enough in 2008 and some have blamed him for losing the series!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
And it was Tolbert not Matthews.
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Either way, it wasn’t much confidence to me that he has any ability to hold the edge.
Have him cover kickoffs and rotate in as a LB.
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If all it takes is 1 play to influence you, then man.
99% of our roster is in trouble..
January 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
461.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Gasoft has the skillset to arguably be the best big man in the game.
That’s not what we are talking about though.
Look, you cats are cool with the Euro 7 footer style of hanging around the 3 pt line, and I like Bynum’s true big man game approach.
I guess I’ll just file that one in the your entitled to your opinion bin.
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Hey, that stuff didn’t happen very much under Phil Jackson. Suddenly, I am now seeing Kobe get the ball near the top of the key and Gasol clears out to the 3 pt line to give Kobe an iso. It is sickening and it is Mike Brown’s fault, not Gasol’s.
Kobe can’t finish at the hoop very well anymore, we should rarely be running plays like that. This has been the typical Mike Brown offensive set so far this season: Ball crosses the half court line, 7 seconds is off the play clock, PG waits for Kobe to go through the screens, another 5 seconds runs off the clock, Kobe gets the ball, does his thing for 6-8 seconds and either takes the shot, turns the ball over or passes to a teammate in a bad position with little time on the play clock.
It is simply horrible. They look to the post about every 5th time down the floor. And half the time the 7 footers are out on the wing, or at the top of the key. Unfathomable!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Everyone wanted their players in the draft. Man I wanted Mason Foster drafted last draft.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Will be a crazy year next year.
The way I see the roster, we won’t change a whole lot personnel wise on offense, but there will be TONS of change defensively.
And because of the turnover, we still may need to bag 30+ most Sundays to assure a victory.
The defensive philosophical change for the Raiders will take a year or two to get implemented and get the right players into it.
But make no mistake, by 2014, we will be a top defensive team. That’s where McKenzie is taking this thing.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I think we have a bigger concern at the interior of our D-line. Moving Houston in the middle should help, if we stick to the 4-3.
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Rather have Houston at his natural position in a 3-4..
Along with Seymour.. And McClain… And Wimbley..
Wait.. so our top 3 paid Defensive players are all being used in a system they arent made for????…
I love you Al, but…
January 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
461.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Gasoft has the skillset to arguably be the best big man in the game.
That’s not what we are talking about though.
Look, you cats are cool with the Euro 7 footer style of hanging around the 3 pt line, and I like Bynum’s true big man game approach.
I guess I’ll just file that one in the your entitled to your opinion bin.
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Hey, that stuff didn’t happen very much under Phil Jackson. Suddenly, I am now seeing Kobe get the ball near the top of the key and Gasol clears out to the 3 pt line to give Kobe an iso. It is sickening and it is Mike Brown’s fault, not Gasol’s.
Kobe can’t finish at the hoop very well anymore, we should rarely be running plays like that. This has been the typical Mike Brown offensive set so far this season: Ball crosses the half court line, 7 seconds is off the play clock, PG waits for Kobe to go through the screens, another 5 seconds runs off the clock, Kobe gets the ball, does his thing for 6-8 seconds and either takes the shot, turns the ball over or passes to a teammate in a bad position with little time on the play clock.
It is simply horrible. They look to the post about every 5th time down the floor. And half the time the 7 footers are out on the wing, or at the top of the key. Unfathomable!
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Have DJ MBenga take more shots!
Problem solved.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Gasol should have been the MVP of the 2010 series, and you know it.
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The Boston series?????
He had a pretty good game 1. The I recall Garnett waking up and putting all that Gasol is the best big in the business stuff to rest.
Perkins was laying elbows on him before he got hurt and you could just see him moving him further and further out.
Artest was big in that series vs Pierce. Boston didn’t have Posey to drape Kobe. Don’t sit here and tell me Gasoft won us that series.
Of course we don’t win if Gasoft doesn’t play. We don’t win if Artest didn’t play, or any of the other main guys.
Foolish? Really???
Talking about a big man’s willingness to trade elbows, stand his ground, and go back hard is foolish?
You are ok with him repeatedly fading out for 18 foot jumpers and passing out of the double team instead of forcing his way to the line?
Ok, I get that.
But then you call our MLB who plays hurt a POS?
Wait, I get it. Had to see it on paper, I guess.
You don’t care about toughness, so McClain and Seymour playing hurt and DMac lack thereof carry no weight on your player evaluation sheets.
Got it!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DD,
Giordano hits like a mack truck. He makes John Lynch look like Stuart Schweigert.
Any chance we ask him to bulk up and play MLB next season ???
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
If all it takes is 1 play to influence you, then man.
99% of our roster is in trouble..
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That was the most recent and most glaring example.
I seen other issues with him throughout the year.
He is kind of like MM34, where he doesn’t garner any blame in here for missing tackles and obvious mistakes, because they have their head up their azz and don’t even put themselves in the POSITION to make a play.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
487.hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
You cannot compare the two sports. Sorry Jhill.
Gasol should have been the MVP of the 2010 series, and you know it. We do not win EITHER the 2009 or 2010 rings without him. We added him and went from a .500 team getting whipped by the Suns to going to three straight finals.
Your take on Gasol is foolish.
But remember…he wasn’t hard enough in 2008 and some have blamed him for losing the series!
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He was soft, and he is soft, but the man has major skills. Kwame Brown is “tough”, but it doesn’t mean he is a more valuable player than Gasol.
The reason we lost the 2008 finals was because Bynum was hurt, as per usual.
And Bynum has been gimpy the past three playoffs too. That guy can’t be counted on. Trade him now.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:26 am
479.YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Say what you want about Curry, but he is BY FAR our 2nd best LB.
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Agreed.
What’s more disappointing is that Wimbley is the Raiders’ best LB.
480.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Say what you want about Curry, but he is BY FAR our 2nd best LB.
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That’s like being the second “thinest” chubby kid at fat camp.
We don’t even have one GOOD LB, to be excited about our 2nd best LB.
Hell, Gio might be our 2nd best S, Boller our 2nd best QB, and Lito was our 2nd best DB.
Some good that did.
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Kinda brings home the point that defensive depth HAS to be a priority for McKenzie.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
DD,
Giordano hits like a mack truck. He makes John Lynch look like Stuart Schweigert.
Any chance we ask him to bulk up and play MLB next season ???
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Thats the best case scenario I can think of…
I dont even think he would need to bulk up.. He’s THAT good.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I’ll trade you Biedrins, Dorrell Wright and a lottery protected first (good luck getting that lol) for Bynum.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Curry is great when the play is in front of him he can attack. When he has to turn his hips he gets confused, plays behind him are the ones he struggles with which is why Seattle let him go.
To sit here and say lets see what he does with a new coaching staff is a joke because he had a better coaching staff in Seattle and they let him go real cheap!
Either he works on this and gets better or we get the same results no matter who the DC is.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
If all it takes is 1 play to influence you, then man.
99% of our roster is in trouble..
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That was the most recent and most glaring example.
I seen other issues with him throughout the year.
He is kind of like MM34, where he doesn’t garner any blame in here for missing tackles and obvious mistakes, because they have their head up their azz and don’t even put themselves in the POSITION to make a play.
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I personally think Curry played some of the best OLB we have seen in years. He had a few head scratchers, but that can be solved with solid coaching.
Let Mike Nolan & Greg Manusky get ahold of him and watch..
January 17th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
I’ll trade you Biedrins, Dorrell Wright and a lottery protected first (good luck getting that lol) for Bynum.
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We might have to throw in Klay to sweeten up the deal.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Ok, I get that.
But then you call our MLB who plays hurt a POS?
Wait, I get it. Had to see it on paper, I guess.
You don’t care about toughness, so McClain and Seymour playing hurt and DMac lack thereof carry no weight on your player evaluation sheets.
Got it!
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McClain wasn’t hurt last year and he sucked then too. Give it up. McClain is just not a good player.
McFadden is certainly injury prone, but when he isn’t injured he is fking awesome. If McClain was a beast prior to his injury and last year, then I would defend him too, but he has never been anywhere close to that.
And you defend Curry too?
Damn Jhill, wtf?
Oh, and by the way, I guess if you are giving McClain a pass for his poor play due to an injury…..isn’t Gasol playing injured right now? Shoulder injury? yep, guess you better lay off him lol.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
ravenraider.. i will be at that baltimore game this year. only time i get to see the raiders play is when they come to this side of the world to play the redskins or ravens. love to tailgate at the ravins. those guys know how to party !!! you can find me with the raven manics.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Curry is great when the play is in front of him he can attack. When he has to turn his hips he gets confused, plays behind him are the ones he struggles with which is why Seattle let him go.
To sit here and say lets see what he does with a new coaching staff is a joke because he had a better coaching staff in Seattle and they let him go real cheap!
Either he works on this and gets better or we get the same results no matter who the DC is
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Its scheme & Staff. He might of had a good staff in Seattle, but they werent good enough to put him in a better position so..idk.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
If all it takes is 1 play to influence you, then man.
99% of our roster is in trouble..
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That was the most recent and most glaring example.
I seen other issues with him throughout the year.
He is kind of like MM34, where he doesn’t garner any blame in here for missing tackles and obvious mistakes, because they have their head up their azz and don’t even put themselves in the POSITION to make a play.
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I personally think Curry played some of the best OLB we have seen in years. He had a few head scratchers, but that can be solved with solid coaching.
Let Mike Nolan & Greg Manusky get ahold of him and watch..
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I like.
We need a great DC. Mike Nolan is the man.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I’m keeping Klay and Rush.
Wright can go. Too inconsistant and Rush is a better defender.
Klay might average 18 a night in 2 years.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Curry is cheap, so it isn’t a big risk to keep him around to see if the new coaching staff can do something with him, but we certainly need a backup plan. And McClain MUST be replaced.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I’m keeping Klay and Rush.
Wright can go. Too inconsistant and Rush is a better defender.
Klay might average 18 a night in 2 years.
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True
Don’t want to trade him, but either its him or Steph or Monta.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I am not saying just can Curry.
He was a starter last year, and probably should start the first day of training camp.
I just think if you want to have a legitimate defense, Aaron Curry should be a rotational guy and not your starter.
He just isn’t that good, for all his big hits, he fcks up just as much and gives up humongous chunks of yards.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
511.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I am not saying just can Curry.
He was a starter last year, and probably should start the first day of training camp.
I just think if you want to have a legitimate defense, Aaron Curry should be a rotational guy and not your starter.
He just isn’t that good, for all his big hits, he fcks up just as much and gives up humongous chunks of yards.
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100% Correct
January 17th, 2012 at 10:34 am
The way I see the roster, we won’t change a whole lot personnel wise on offense, but there will be TONS of change defensively.
And because of the turnover, we still may need to bag 30+ most Sundays to assure a victory.
The defensive philosophical change for the Raiders will take a year or two to get implemented and get the right players into it.
But make no mistake, by 2014, we will be a top defensive team. That’s where McKenzie is taking this thing.
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JFB,
there are some HUGE contracts on the defensive side that must be addressed. sadly, re-signing Tyvon Branch seems pretty low on the priority list
Look at these guys: Seymour, Kelly, Henderson, McClain, Curry ($5.7 mil in 2012), Huff & Routt.
there is no way ANY of those guys are worth what they are getting or another team would pay them what we’re paying. Some of these fan favorites and so-called “leaders” will be asked to restructure or leave and the fan’s initial reaction will be that Reggie Mac doesn’t know what he’s doing or that he’s trying to run this organization into the ground.
How much would our run defense suffer if we chopped or traded Seymour & Kelly and started Houston & Bryant at DT ??? not at all and we’d have just as much penetration imo
So I wouldn’t be surprised to see Wimbley moved down to DE opposite ShoNasty and have that be our front four … Moss & Scott are goners until we need a vet minimum special teams guy
January 17th, 2012 at 10:34 am
I’m willing to give him a shot w/ a new scheme and proper coaching.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
“Its scheme & Staff. He might of had a good staff in Seattle, but they werent good enough to put him in a better position so..idk.”
Seattle spent a very high first round pick on him so I guarantee you that they tried everything they could before trading him to us for a 7th rounder.
Like Dakota said he is cheap so we will probably keep him around.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
476.YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:14 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/17/chargers-cornerback-makes-waves-with-l-a-tweets/
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LOL! first comment on the article from: Joetaranto
January 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Gasol for Scola and Lowry?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
David Lee is averaging 19 and 10, and shooting over 50%.
He is taking Tim Duncan’s Western Conference All-star spot sooner than later.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Curry is cheap, so it isn’t a big risk to keep him around to see if the new coaching staff can do something with him
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Dakota,
aaron curry was cheap LAST year and we gave seattle next to nothing to acquire his services – but this year (contract year) he’s scheduled to earn $5.7 million according to rotoworld
January 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
484.DeuceDeuce Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Who started the Vilma talk?? Getting people excited…
Maybe it was in reference to him being a cap casualty…?
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Ding ding ding ding ding!
Word down here is they (Saints) are not going to pay him.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Now can we get rid of Boyd? And NOT just send him to the practice squad. I mean GONE!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Rather have Houston at his natural position in a 3-4..
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Houston’s natural position IS a 4-3 3-tech DT.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
517.inonewordraider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Gasol for Scola and Lowry?
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Naaaaaw, Kevin Love has already told the t-wolves he will not sign an extension. Hold onto Gasol for the big trade. The T-Wolves would like to let the Spaniards play together if Love refuses to stay.
Though I do like Scola and Lowry.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
David Lee is averaging 19 and 10, and shooting over 50%.
He is taking Tim Duncan’s Western Conference All-star spot sooner than later.
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Maybe in NY, but not on the west coast.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Curry also wearns the crown for the player who gets most excited making a 4 yard tackle on 2nd and 5.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Fisher better keep an eye on the rearview mirror with Hue “Maximus” Jackson on your staff. You never know when the lust for power will resurface!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
I think Curry can play SLB in some 4-3 schemes, or a 3-4 LB.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
519.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Curry is cheap, so it isn’t a big risk to keep him around to see if the new coaching staff can do something with him
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Dakota,
aaron curry was cheap LAST year and we gave seattle next to nothing to acquire his services – but this year (contract year) he’s scheduled to earn $5.7 million according to rotoworld
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Really? Oh, then bye bye Curry.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Rather have Houston at his natural position in a 3-4..
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Houston’s natural position IS a 4-3 3-tech DT.
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So he was out of position in College too?..
January 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
and it is Mike Brown’s fault
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It’s also Mike Brown’s fault that we are playing the best defense I’ve seen the Lakers play EVER.
Kobe is playing PG. That Stern’s fault, not Mike Brown’s. That 40 pt run by Kobe was bad team basketball. Are you really telling me that Kobe didn’t break the offense and do what he wanted under Phil? This is Kobe’s first year doing that?
Kobe takes a lot of shots because Gasol keeps passing him the ball. They ALL, except Bynum, just defer to Kobe like scared little LeBrons.
How many times have you heard Kobe BEGGING for Gasol to be more aggressive and shoot the ball?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hold onto Gasol for the big trade
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Gasol for Love? Still need a PG and we would no longer have a backup C….
January 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Now can we get rid of Boyd? And NOT just send him to the practice squad. I mean GONE!
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DMAC,
patience grasshopper. as soon as Hue Jackson lands in St Louis as OC or some other place as an asst coach we’ll shop him there for a 6th rounder
January 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Curry also wearns the crown for the player who gets most excited making a 4 yard tackle on 2nd and 5.
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Friggin most annoying thing in the WORLD! Wait until a good stop on 3rd down or a Turnover before celebrating. Bigtime sign of no discipline.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Meanwhile, Anthony Randolph is averaging 6 and 2 and still playing no defense.
LMAO at all those who hated the Lee trade and grilled me for defending it.
Priest, big shock I know, is at the top of that list.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Amazing to me that people are discounting him playing with an injured leg. I guess he should have pulled a DMac and Ford and just sat out 5 games to get better?
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I can’t count how many times I saw that mofo run into one gap while the RB was coming out of another.
That has nothing to do with a leg injury, that’s just plain dumb.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I see that Kobe’s point total last night equaled the 3rd qtr point total of the entire team…
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Lamarr Houston was a strongside DE in a 3-4 at the University of Texas.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
is it Thursday yet?
Go Heat !!!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
is it Thursday yet?
Go Heat !!!
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Do we have a coach, yet?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
539.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
is it Thursday yet?
Go Heat !!!
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Do we have a coach, yet?
No Heat!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
530.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
and it is Mike Brown’s fault
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It’s also Mike Brown’s fault that we are playing the best defense I’ve seen the Lakers play EVER.
Kobe is playing PG. That Stern’s fault, not Mike Brown’s. That 40 pt run by Kobe was bad team basketball. Are you really telling me that Kobe didn’t break the offense and do what he wanted under Phil? This is Kobe’s first year doing that?
Kobe takes a lot of shots because Gasol keeps passing him the ball. They ALL, except Bynum, just defer to Kobe like scared little LeBrons.
How many times have you heard Kobe BEGGING for Gasol to be more aggressive and shoot the ball?
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Phil allowed Kobe to have some rope, of course…..just not EVERY TIME DOWN THE COURT like Mike Brown allows. And back when Kobe was doing this stuff under Phil, there were zero other options. No Gasol, a Bynum that still didn’t have armpit hair….Once a post option showed up with Gasol the offense ran through him, as it should right now, he and Bynum should touch the ball almost every trip down the court when the starters are in.
Kobe can feel his dominance ending, and it pissed him off when Bynum was getting credit, and ever since then it has been the Kobe 1 vs 5 show.
Mike Brown needs to man up and demand that Kobe run the offense, or we need a PG with some balls who is willing to set up the offense himself.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:45 am
And we could of signed Gholston, but instead we went w/ the great Huffy!
Ouch! It still hurts man.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
mo williams making 8.5 mill as a unhappy backup PG with Bledsoe and Foye very capable backups as well, should be able to get him cheap…
January 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
536.hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I see that Kobe’s point total last night equaled the 3rd qtr point total of the entire team…
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Well, Kobe missed every one of his shots in the 3rd quarter.
Fking ugly schyt!
But Jhill is correct, I do like how Brown has them playing defense…..except against good PGs though….but that isn’t his fault, that is our old azz PGs fault…..but I still luv ya Fish!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Hey you know, I was watching B@uce’s lil cousin yeterday vs Texas Tech (I believe)…looked pretty good! Think Brown will pull for him?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Curry is great when the play is in front of him he can attack. When he has to turn his hips he gets confused, plays behind him are the ones he struggles with which is why Seattle let him go.
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When you watch most good defenses, their LBs are not asked to do what ours are asked to do in pass coverage.
McClain is actually pretty good in pass coverage, but Wimbley and Curry usually end up getting burnt on plays that, well, they probably should be getting beat on.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Enough of this Faker talk.
The Fake show isn’t going anywhere, just like my team (Dubs).
Yeah they’ll make the playoffs, but they won’t advance to the big show.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
544.Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
536.hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I see that Kobe’s point total last night equaled the 3rd qtr point total of the entire team…
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Well, Kobe missed every one of his shots in the 3rd quarter.
Fking ugly schyt!
But Jhill is correct, I do like how Brown has them playing defense…..except against good PGs though….but that isn’t his fault, that is our old azz PGs fault…..but I still luv ya Fish!
Fish hit it at the end…ugly points, ugly game…but anytime we can shut up Huffy on twitter…I’m ok with that!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hey come on DMAC…lol
January 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
http://nfltraderumors.co/nfltr-features/2011022012-nfl-free-agents/
Nice list of FA’s. Lot of second tier guys that could improve our defensive depth at the very least for fair compensation.
Half of our defense, if unwilling to restructure will be ‘cap casualties’ under McKenzie. I will be ok with that. If our defense performs the same next year as it did this year in transitioning from big money to small money I wont even be mad (I bet a college defense at NFL minimums could live up to that standard)
January 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I am going to give Mckenzie a fair shot.
I personnaly was a fan of Huge Action, (and continuity)I’m currently in therapy and letting that go lol.
However, Our new GM will lose my respect quick if he blows things up and starts some BS rebuilding.
Before making any brash moves let’s see What a year with a full offseason for the offense and Palmer to work with one another does for the team.
Let’s see if a REAL DC can get some of our big $$ defensive players to act like they give a sh!t.
Last but not least Let’s see how our youngsters look with one more year under there belt.
If that doesn’t work we have a 1st rounder in 2013 and we draft a QB and really start from scratch.
I don’t think it will come to that, Raiders win AFC west next year and will play in the divisional playoffs. Then gain confidence and go further the following year IMO.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Curry is great when the play is in front of him he can attack. When he has to turn his hips he gets confused, plays behind him are the ones he struggles with which is why Seattle let him go.
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When you watch most good defenses, their LBs are not asked to do what ours are asked to do in pass coverage.
McClain is actually pretty good in pass coverage, but Wimbley and Curry usually end up getting burnt on plays that, well, they probably should be getting beat on.
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I agree w/ the bald headed dude.^^^^^^^^^^^^^
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hey come on DMAC…lol
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Your the exception.
Remember?
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Have heard rumors after McKenzie got hired that Palmer is gone…haven’t heard anything since…what to do you guys think?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am
553.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hey come on DMAC…lol
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Your the exception.
Remember?
lol
LOL…hey let me know if you wannaget toegthera good size outing to hit up Ravenaider and the Baltimore game this year…depending on the month!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Gasol for Scola and Lowry?
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No, thanks.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
McClains one of several Raiders that it’s to soon to give up on….let him have another yr… No more gangster nonsense….
January 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I think CP stays.
Stay curious to see what Pryor’s got.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am
558.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I think CP stays.
Stay curious to see what Pryor’s got.
Yup…it will be interesting come pre-season time!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am
553.DMAC Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Hey come on DMAC…lol
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Your the exception.
Remember?
lol
LOL…hey let me know if you wannaget toegthera good size outing to hit up Ravenaider and the Baltimore game this year…depending on the month!
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Depending on the month and def. depending on the pockets.
It would be awesome.
I’ll start the savings NOW!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Michael Huff:
7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $32 million contract. The deal includes $16 million in the first year.
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DMAC,
Reggie McKenzie will make sure some of these contracts get “fixed” or terminated.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
531.inonewordraider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Hold onto Gasol for the big trade
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Gasol for Love? Still need a PG and we would no longer have a backup C….
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PG is a problem, but you never trade big for small. Plus, Love is 10 years younger than Gasol, so you have to factor that in.
I don’t see us as a contender right now anyhow. Not as long as Kobe is playing this way.
Kobe has the potential to turn himself into a great PG, distributing the ball, making plays to set up teammates, which would really help this offense. Instead he wants to pass Jordan on the scoring list.
You would think matching Jordan’s 6 titles would be more important, but apparently it isn’t to Kobe.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Go Raiders!!!!
Go Bucks!!!!
Go Aztecs!!!
Go Clippers!!!
Go Cavs!!!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Naaaaaw, Kevin Love has already told the t-wolves he will not sign an extension. Hold onto Gasol for the big trade. The T-Wolves would like to let the Spaniards play together if Love refuses to stay.
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So after all of that, you agree with me that we should trade Gasoft for Love.
LMFAO!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Michael Huff:
7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $32 million contract. The deal includes $16 million in the first year.
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DMAC,
Reggie McKenzie will make sure some of these contracts get “fixed” or terminated.
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So if players decide, they don’t want to restructure their contract and we cut them. Are we still stuck w/ their salary or partial salary?
January 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Have heard rumors after McKenzie got hired that Palmer is gone…haven’t heard anything since…what to do you guys think?
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Palmer will get at least 1 year.
Pryor=long shot to be a NFL qb
January 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
I think R McKenzie will trade/ release:
1- Huff
2- TK
3- Seymour
4- Routt
January 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Agree… It makes a lot of sense to hang on to Palmer……
Not sure what kind of Qb skills Pryor has abd I’m not sure if he’s the Raiders future Qb… But till he’s ready , or we draft someother kids ,Palmers here… The Raiders should take advantage of it..
January 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
hwnrdr, you get to the ravens game give me a holler too
will be at that game too.
January 17th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I think CP stays.
Stay curious to see what Pryor’s got.
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I agree, CP is too much of an investment to just axe…
Give him a full offseason of OTAs, training camp and another season at the helm. After that, we will have a clear understanding of how bad (or not) HuJack f@cked up…
I’m with DMAC, cant wait to see what Pryor can do… He, much like B. Campbell seem like rookies that havent even been signed yet since they have so little field time… Anxious to see what both of them can do!!
January 17th, 2012 at 10:59 am
I’ve never seen Pyror play… You guys problably know more about his QB skills … If he has any ..
January 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Huff is a solid contributor (when healthy). If that contract is true then hes only on the line for 16 mill over the next 3? 5.3 mill a year? Not bad. I would keep him…
January 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Watching Jimi Hendrix play Foxy Lady on TV…. Still great schidt after all these yrs..
January 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
564.J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Naaaaaw, Kevin Love has already told the t-wolves he will not sign an extension. Hold onto Gasol for the big trade. The T-Wolves would like to let the Spaniards play together if Love refuses to stay.
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So after all of that, you agree with me that we should trade Gasoft for Love.
LMFAO!
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I have no problem trading Gasoft for Love…or another young Big. No problem at all. The point is you need to quit the Gasoft hating and blaming for this offense. Gasoft is what he is…..a very talented big who can knock down open shots. It isn’t like he is Dirk who basically only plays behind the three point line and the extended free throw area.
He does post up and has very good post moves, but they do him no good when he gets the ball from Kobe on the wing with 4 seconds left on the shot clock. There should be nothing but high-low post calls for Gasol and Bynum. And Mike Brown claims he knows how to use two bigs from his days in SA. LMFAO yeah right!
But Gasoft isn’t untouchable.
January 17th, 2012 at 11:03 am
You would think matching Jordan’s 6 titles would be more important, but apparently it isn’t to Kobe.
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Kobe wants to win and knows how to win period. The Lakers aren’t gna win a title because of how he’s playing, it’s because they aren’t the best team any longer. Gasol is a complimentary player and Bynum although consistently aggressive looks tired some games. Doesn’t help that we’re last in the league in 3 point percentage and near the top in turnovers
January 17th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Can you hear me now?
January 17th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Testing testing
January 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
569.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
hwnrdr, you get to the ravens game give me a holler too
will be at that game too.
Will do!
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
What happened? i couldn’t get on for almost an hour!
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
DAMN U DMAC,U LOCKED UP THE SITE..
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
i will be easy to find.. i will be the big drunk redneck dressed in raider gear !!! lol lol
January 17th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I don’t believe in scholarships….especially for this chump… http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/stanford-bermond-routt-lets-talk.html
January 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
POST-579,WILL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE HWNRDR…
January 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Geez, this took awhile…wonder what they were waiting on? Caldwell fired in Indy…
January 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am
581.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
i will be easy to find.. i will be the big drunk redneck dressed in raider gear !!! lol lol
LOL…and I will be the drunk Hawaiian that always gets mistaken for being Hispanic…at least here in Cali…
January 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am
583.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
POST-579,WILL LEAVE THAT ONE ALONE HWNRDR…
I agree…
January 17th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am
581.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
i will be easy to find.. i will be the big drunk redneck dressed in raider gear !!! lol lol
LOL…and I will be the drunk Hawaiian that always gets mistaken for being Hispanic…at least here in Cali…
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And I’ll be the light skin Mexican/Peruvian that gets confused for a white boy sometimes wearing a Huff jersey and black jeans.
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
J Hill Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 9:25 am
And I am in no way locked in to McClain. I wanted Pierre Paul if you recall.
Just not in a hurry to see Blackstock or Ricky Brown at MLB either.
Get Vilma, and we can certainly talk about trading McClain.
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We have no draft choices. we have no money. we have nothing to trade. What we have to look at is cheaper free agent signings. Backups on other teams who could come here and start and contribute. Larry Grant, Ahmad Brooks, I am looking at you here.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Speaking of Indy, with all the questions arising concerning the Palmer trade, at least we dont have to decide what to do with a perennial Pro-Bowl QB who is due a $28 million bonus and might not ever be able to take a snap again!!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
DAMN U DMAC,U LOCKED UP THE SITE..
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No.
I think J Hill’s hot breath did it.
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
hell sounds like we will all get along !!! as long as the beer is cold and dosent run out !!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
So he was out of position in College too?..
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He played 3-tech DT in college, too. Acho and Kindle were his DEs.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Isn’t Brooks a starter. I’m all for Grant though.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
That is true PA!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
And with Ravenaider rounding up the group…we shall be all good!
591.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
hell sounds like we will all get along !!! as long as the beer is cold and dosent run out !!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Damn you Tosh!!!! (Cal Bears news)
http://footballrecruiting.rivals.com/content.asp?CID=1319655
January 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
like going to games there. the train drops you off at right at the stadium gate.and its an easy walk to the tailgate partys. and those baltimore dudes know how to party !! (puff, puff, pass) lol lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Dang, if puff-puff-pass is going on in Baltimore, i might have to join you guys too!!…lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
LMAO! That’s always the scenario here in Oakland!Although, because of my job, I can’t do that anymore…always a good feeling when everyone puff puff passes…
January 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Jeff Fisher singled out both Kroenke and quarterback Sam Bradford as the reasons he wants to coach the Rams
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I’d rather have Mark Davis & Carson Palmer!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
like going to games there. the train drops you off at right at the stadium gate.and its an easy walk to the tailgate partys. and those baltimore dudes know how to party !! (puff, puff, pass) lol lol
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Might have to show those B-more dudes what some of Cali’s finest trees are like!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Saints looking at Steve Spagnuolo or Mike Nolan for DC
-PFT
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Been to work all day and was expecting to see our new Head coach.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I’ll take some of that Devils Cabbage up this way too!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I’ll take some of that Devils Cabbage up this way too!
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Devils cabbage
Like that
lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
#1 candidate I want for OC
Jim Caldwell
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jim_Caldwell_(American_football)
bring it on, haters!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
PeymourGlenn Bish, it’s cute that you want to play GM online but after your JaMarcus take “Anybody with half a brain can see he is a franchise Qb” blunder, and S Lechler isn’t a “placement” kicker. Perhaps you should stick to basket weaving or maybe junior yahtzee.
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Seymour Bush Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
We have no draft choices. we have no money. we have nothing to trade. What we have to look at is cheaper free agent signings. Backups on other teams who could come here and start and contribute. Larry Grant, Ahmad Brooks, I am looking at you here.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
that will work DMAC. have to get some of that west virgina home grown. that $hit will knock your sock off !! but i will give that Cali cush it props !!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Can we hire a coach so he can bring along Nolan already.
WTF?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Once we have a coach in place we can see what coordinators and position coaches are available. Has Caldwell even been let go yet, just out of curiousity? Last I heard Grigson hadn’t decided yet.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
that will work DMAC. have to get some of that west virgina home grown. that $hit will knock your sock off !! but i will give that Cali cush it props !!
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Fa’sho, sounds like a great plan.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Don’t you like Saunders Rockstar?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Mike Nolan’s no longer an option for our DC spot. Damned.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Why?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The Falcons have hired Mike Nolan as their new defensive coord.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
FK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
January 17th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Do we really want either of the dudes from Dung-ver to come in here? Sounds about as bad to me as someone from Sh!ttsburgh!…
January 17th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Spags for DC and bring in Osi in the off season?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
yep
January 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
With all this talk about a fire sale for trades for our entire team. I have even heard posters mention trading coaches. Anyone stop and think about looking in the basement? You have to imagine there would be all kinds of NFL artifacts from the Raiders hay day down there. If you think we could get a 3rd for Murphy just think what we could get for Ray Guys cleat or Lyle Alzado’s sharps container. Hell Al Davis ashes should get us a 1st and a conditional pick for next year. Maybe Herrera could give out Mark Davis haircuts. He could use the same bowl and safety scissors.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Nolan news sucks.
Why is there no one wanting to talk to Chuck?
January 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
I like Nolan too but he bounces from team to team every 2 years. In SF he wore out his welcome…
There’s something under the surface, fugettaboutit!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Gotta run peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Meanwhile, Anthony Randolph is averaging 6 and 2 and still playing no defense.
LMAO at all those who hated the Lee trade and grilled me for defending it.
Priest, big shock I know, is at the top of that list.
$$$$$$$$$$
I HATED THE LEE TRADE…
thought Randolph was a future star in the NBA.
thought nelly played too many mind games with him.
got to new york and was stcuk on the bench.
now stuck on the bench in minnesota.
i guessing he needs a major attitude adjustment.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I stand corrected, apparently Caldwell was fired this afternoon.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Don’t you like Saunders?
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Neil,
I’m not completely sold on the Air Coryell offense, one way or the other. I’m skeptical if Saunders wants to stay because he said the 2 biggest reasons he came to Oakland were based upon two guys no longer with the team: Hue Jackson & Jason Campbell. Saunders didn’t call the plays last year and as a veteran coach, didn’t help groom Jackson into the role either. Doubtful he’d step up to ther plate for a guy he has no history with – like Moss.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Why is there no one wanting to talk to Chuck?
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Lol…. I wish Al never wanted to talk to Chuck.. We wouldve been better off without a DC!!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Mike Nolan to Atlanta
January 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Speaking of Indy, with all the questions arising concerning the Palmer trade, at least we dont have to decide what to do with a perennial Pro-Bowl QB who is due a $28 million bonus and might not ever be able to take a snap again!!
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with the number one overall pick that cut is an easy decision for me.
peyton needs to worry bout his quality of life after football,
Draft Andrew Luck…
but also consider RG3
January 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Why is there no one wanting to talk to Chuck?
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His contract just expired 2 days ago. Give it time
He’s waiting (just like most other Raider asst coaches) to find out who the new Head Coach will be and if he’ll be welcomed back
Sanjay Lal apparently was a hot commodity and didn’t waste any time playing the “waiting game”
January 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Good points Rockstar.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
627.Raider-in-PA Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Why is there no one wanting to talk to Chuck?
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Lol…. I wish Al never wanted to talk to Chuck.. We wouldve been better off without a DC!!
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Would’ve been better with Jim Johnsons’ urn.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We wouldve been better off without a DC!!
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Hue Jackson as interim GM would be about the same as Rolando McClain being interim DC
January 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
with the number one overall pick that cut is an easy decision for me.
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Cutting Peyton is an easy decision for you? Seriously? What if Jacksonville signs him, and he beats you twice a year for the next 3-4 years because you made that ‘easy’ decision… What to do with Peyton Manning is the hardest decision ANY GM (much less a rookie in Grigson) will have to face this year. Quite possibly one of the hardest decisions EVER in the NFL.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Lee is the more expensive version of Troy Murphy. Lee is trash. Sorry JFB but he is trash for that contract.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Was hoping to get Nolan as DC. Oh well.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
I’m supprised Bresnehan’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Just checked on Raiders.com and all the usual suspects are still there.
I’m out – check back tomorrow to see if we’ve got a Head coach.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
correct me if i’m wrong, but doesn’t Nolan run a 3-4 Defense and Atlanta runs a 4-3 ???
should be some interesting changes over there this offseason.
Also, are that many Raider fans willing to switch to a 3-4 Defense?
If so, we should consider Keith Butler for DC!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I’m supprised Bresnehan’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
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Mav,
it works both ways.
I’m surprised Jackson’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Raiderzmaverick…. rember to pass after you puff puff !! lol lol
January 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
with the number one overall pick that cut is an easy decision for me.
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Cutting Peyton is an easy decision for you? Seriously? What if Jacksonville signs him, and he beats you twice a year for the next 3-4 years because you made that ‘easy’ decision… What to do with Peyton Manning is the hardest decision ANY GM (much less a rookie in Grigson) will have to face this year. Quite possibly one of the hardest decisions EVER in the NFL.
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with the number one overall pick in hand.
two potential franchise QBs in the draft.
peyton had his neck fused.
over $25 million due…
yeah, for me its an easy decision.
may be short sighted, will only regret it if he plays again but i doubt it.
He was once superman, but now is one hit from turning into RIP christopher reeves.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
just dont pass it to rockstar, sounds like he has had to much too !!!
January 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I’m surprised Jackson’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
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Terminated HCs very rarely get interviews for HC in the same year they were termed. I honestly can’t think of ANY examples of a HC that was fired, and got a HC interview the same year.
January 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Lee is the more expensive version of Troy Murphy. Lee is trash. Sorry JFB but he is trash for that contract.
$$$$$$$$$$
ownership LOVES them some david lee.
i am not impressed with his skills and lack of defense.
and who idea was it to pass up on greg monroe for ekpe udoh?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Why doesn’t anyone consider Chuck Pagano?
He’s the DC of one of the best Defenses in the NFL (and the head coach doesn’t have a particularly defensive only background).
He kicked butt at his position coaching he did when here in Oakland.
What am I missing here?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Anyone think Gruden heads to the Colts?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I’m surprised Jackson’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
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Terminated HCs very rarely get interviews for HC in the same year they were termed. I honestly can’t think of ANY examples of a HC that was fired, and got a HC interview the same year.
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I can only think of one…John Fox in Denver (was axed in Carolina)
January 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
My inside guy says it will be Moss HC, Perry DC… Saunders being evaluated but unlikely to stay.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I think Gruden is heading to the bank with a network check.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Why does our GM have to go to Denver to interview HC candidates?
That’s some fked up schyt right there.
I could see flying to wherever Cowher lives, or Gruden, but having to kowtow to Denver coordinators?
Really?
Come on man!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
LA
I wish they would just get it done. Who ever it is. Tired of waiting.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Maybe he wanted to do to Denver. Might have friends there and making a trip out of it. Who knows?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Sorry….go to Denver
January 17th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Would you want to bring guys in house where Herrea is spinning Mark Davis around in his dads chair to interview coaches? I would rather go to them as well.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
What’s up DonMan!?!
How much is Gruden making a year at ESPN?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
634.bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
with the number one overall pick that cut is an easy decision for me.
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Cutting Peyton is an easy decision for you? Seriously? What if Jacksonville signs him, and he beats you twice a year for the next 3-4 years because you made that ‘easy’ decision… What to do with Peyton Manning is the hardest decision ANY GM (much less a rookie in Grigson) will have to face this year. Quite possibly one of the hardest decisions EVER in the NFL.
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This is a no-brainer. Trade Manning for a first rounder to a team on the cusp….49ers, Jets…Draft Luck, draft some D, and move on with another decade of good QBing.
Love Manning, but he hasn’t won a championship for you for 6 years and he is old and injured. Move on, move forward, don’t look back.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
If McKenzie really already has made up a pretty firm mind about hiring Moss, then it’s a good thing that he’s still looking at other things and getting around in his interviews.
Who knows, maybe someone else inspires him and he goes away from that original plan.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dont know. But it beats the hours he was putting in being a coach.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
It takes that long to hire coaches? As long as we get a better Defense coordinator than idc who the HC is. Our offense can be good regardless whose coaching it because of our talent on it. Now defense that is a different story we need players that actually has heart and that hunger to play smash mouth football no more lazy a$$es
January 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
655.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Would you want to bring guys in house where Herrea is spinning Mark Davis around in his dads chair to interview coaches? I would rather go to them as well.
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LMFAO….good point.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I’m surprised Jackson’s not getting more HC interviews…he obviously did such a good job here.
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Terminated HCs very rarely get interviews for HC in the same year they were termed. I honestly can’t think of ANY examples of a HC that was fired, and got a HC interview the same year.
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I can only think of one…John Fox in Denver (was axed in Carolina)
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Also Steve Mariucci (SF to Detroit) and Eric Mangini (NYJ to Cleveland in what SI termed “The Worst Coaching Hire Ever”).
January 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
And I almost forgot Tony Dungy going from TB to Indy.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I don’t like the Cowgirls owner, but he made a good point when asked a couple of years ago about hiring one of the big name HCs, like Gruden or Cowher…..he said no HC has ever won a SB with one team, then moved on and won another with a new team.
I think that is true….
January 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
666
January 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I don’t like the Cowgirls owner, but he made a good point when asked a couple of years ago about hiring one of the big name HCs, like Gruden or Cowher…..he said no HC has ever won a SB with one team, then moved on and won another with a new team.
I think that is true….
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The closest was Weeb Ewbank, whose Colts won the 1958 NFL Championship, and who then coached the 1968 Jets to their Super Bowl III win.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I personally would like to see Gruden come back. I think he had a good eye for talent or a least knew how to get the most out of a player and working with their strengths. Would Gannon have been an MVP with KC? Or would he have continued to get bench for Elvis?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
667.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I personally would like to see Gruden come back. I think he had a good eye for talent or a least knew how to get the most out of a player and working with their strengths. Would Gannon have been an MVP with KC? Or would he have continued to get bench for Elvis?
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I was so pissed when KC benched Gannon for Elvis in the playoffs and then lost to Denver, who went on to win the SB.
I fkn HATE DENVER more than any other franchise. By far!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
664.Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I don’t like the Cowgirls owner, but he made a good point when asked a couple of years ago about hiring one of the big name HCs, like Gruden or Cowher…..he said no HC has ever won a SB with one team, then moved on and won another with a new team.
I think that is true….
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Was that before or after he hired Parcells? lol
January 17th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
669.edward teach Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
664.Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I don’t like the Cowgirls owner, but he made a good point when asked a couple of years ago about hiring one of the big name HCs, like Gruden or Cowher…..he said no HC has ever won a SB with one team, then moved on and won another with a new team.
I think that is true….
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Was that before or after he hired Parcells? lol
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After lol
January 17th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
666
$$$$$$$$$$
LOL.
FAIL. even tho you are pretty good at it.
try again next thread
January 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
My hate list as of 1-17-12:
Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers
Seahawks
Don’t have the hate for the 49ers that you Bay Area guys have….
January 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Chris in NY Says:
January 16th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I happen to think TK is far better than most in here give him credit for. Guy has led the league in sacks from the DT position over the last two seasons. I also think the run D issues are more on the linebackers, especially McClain. Never see TK getting blown off the ball. Quite the opposite actually. Not uncommon to see him blowing a guard into the backfield.
Curious to see what McKenzie and co. think. I think TK stays. Seymour too. I think McClain is 50/50 to make it.
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I agree with this about TK. I think he is a very powerful player, that is tough to play against. I read an article once that said opposing offensive linemen consider him as one of the toughest DTs to block in the league. Also look up the 2011 article from Pro Football Focus on who the ideal 3 technique DT is in the league. None other than Tommy Kelly.
But at the same time, I think Seymour had a down year for his expectations.
I would caution against the notion to get rid of McClain. I also have been disappointed with the guy, but remember when Morrison and Howard were scapegoated for our run defensive woes?
Well look where we are 2 years later. Different players, different coaches: same results. Worst run defense in NFL.
I am of the opinion that the artocious run defense has always been a scheme issue for the raiders. Mainly because Davis’ simplistic principles just dont cut it anymore. We need a great DC.
I am very disappointed Mike Nolan got hired by ALT. He was #1 on my list for DC. Hopefully we can get a proven DC that can turn things around here once and for all.
I would prefer 3-4, but I guess I wouldn’t be too upset if it is 4-3 if it someone like Spags or Del Rio. At least they have a track record of 4-3 success.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Jerry Jones is like the Chargers. Impossible to take seriously.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I still hate Buffalo for that AFC championship game, 51-3. I was a kid when I watched it and I was distraught for a month.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Jerry Jones is like a retarded version of Al Davis.
Thank god Jerry isn’t our owner.
Mark is at least smart enough to get the hell out of the way.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I was so pissed when KC benched Gannon for Elvis in the playoffs and then lost to Denver, who went on to win the SB.
I fkn HATE DENVER more than any other franchise. By far!
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I’m with you. I hate the Broncos more then any other team.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Oh, I hate Buffalo too….despised them back in the day.
Revised hate list as of 1-17-12…2:40 pm:
Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers
Bills
Seahawks
January 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Spags back with waufle would make our defense better. Imo wayyyy better than bresnahans defense
January 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
the issue with tommy kelly for me was his lack of hustle.
i use to think he played better at DE than at DT.
he still leaves a lot of plays out there still, but he really hustled the second half of this season.
I think he stays, but we need a real tru run stuffer next to him.
Seymour played way too may snaps the past two years, his body just cant handle it. he should have been rotated in on passing downs, but at that salary you would expect him to be a every down lineman
January 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Compounded by Bo Jacksons injury. I also hate that song by Michelle Branch and Santana called The game of love, sung during the halftime show of the Superbowl-Raiders/Bucs.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Seymour + Kelly at DT + Slowlando McLazy at MLB + Safeties who take bad angles = Dogggggg Schyttttttt Run D
January 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I also hate “guys” that drive mini-coopers. Thats all.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Revised hate list as of 1-17-12…2:40 pm:
Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers
Bills
Seahawks
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Broncos
Chargers
Chiefs
Pats/49ers/Cowboys (Can’t decide)
January 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
My hate list as of 1-17-12:
Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers
Seahawks
Don’t have the hate for the 49ers that you Bay Area guys have….
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Add 49ers, subtract Seachix. Move KC to #1 on the list !!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
681.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Compounded by Bo Jacksons injury. I also hate that song by Michelle Branch and Santana called The game of love, sung during the halftime show of the Superbowl-Raiders/Bucs.
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The only time in my life suicide crossed my mind….driving home from a SB party in Omaha, NE, hell, it wasn’t even after, I think I left in the 3rd quarter….thought it would be nice to just take off my seatbelt and do some 90 mph off roadin’….right into an overpass or something.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Revised hate list as of 1-17-12…2:40 pm:
lmao
Make it official!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
“I am of the opinion that the artocious run defense has always been a scheme issue for the raiders. Mainly because Davis’ simplistic principles just dont cut it anymore. ”
That same exact defense is working well for the New York Giants team!
Of course they have the horses to make it work.
Sloppy tackling, the inability to shed blocks, missed gap assignments and guys taking bad angles are the problems with our defense. I blame coaching for not addressing these issues and the players commitment to learn these basic fundamentals.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Hate list:
Broncos/Patriots
Chiefs
Chargers
49ers
Steelers
Jets, but mainly because they annoy me. Theres not much passion there tho.
You might say I hate the Patriots the most considering they are tied with a built in rival, the Broncos.
I hate the Patriots with so much passion…every ounce of my body.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Seymour + Kelly at DT + Slowlando McLazy at MLB + Safeties who take bad angles = Dogggggg Schyttttttt Run D
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Dakota,
according to 99.9% of bloggers, Chuck B inherited the 2000 Ravens Defense
what gives ???
January 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
I hate the Cowboys more than the 49ers….used to go for the 49ers when they were going up against the Cowgirls in the playoffs in the early to mid 1990s.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
I also hate “guys” that drive mini-coopers. Thats all.
$$$$$$$$$$
you ever drove one?
i did once. didnt hate it.
it felt like i was driving a super charged go kart.
felt like real life mario kart.
wanted to start heaving shells and bananas at other drivers…
January 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
690.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Seymour + Kelly at DT + Slowlando McLazy at MLB + Safeties who take bad angles = Dogggggg Schyttttttt Run D
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Dakota,
according to 99.9% of bloggers, Chuck B inherited the 2000 Ravens Defense
what gives ???
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It is amazing what some people’s eyes show them….like last year, “Hey if only we could eliminate the long TD runs our run D is great!”….as if the long TD runs didn’t count lol.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
681.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Compounded by Bo Jacksons injury. I also hate that song by Michelle Branch and Santana called The game of love, sung during the halftime show of the Superbowl-Raiders/Bucs.
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The only time in my life suicide crossed my mind….driving home from a SB party in Omaha, NE, hell, it wasn’t even after, I think I left in the 3rd quarter….thought it would be nice to just take off my seatbelt and do some 90 mph off roadin’….right into an overpass or something.
……………………………………………….
It was like watching a party then leaving a funeral. Worst day ever for me as a Raider fan.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Jerry Jones is like the Chargers. Impossible to take seriously.
Jerry Jones is like a retarded version of Al Davis.
I also hate “guys” that drive mini-coopers. Thats all.
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LOL!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
No Moss… No Capers… Please!
Take note – no other team is mentioned or asking Moss or Capers in for an interview.
If the new HC is going to be able to make his own hires, let’s hope McKenzie gets it right and gives the guy time to build the right team of coaches. One guy can’t do it all – needs to get the right coaches in place and ensure everyone does their part or get someone who can.
I’d take Bowles, Carmichael or Allen.
Sounds simple right ?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Opposing coaches I hated.
Shanahan
Schottenheimer
Coryell
Red Miller
Chuck Knoll
Chuck Knox
January 17th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
there was one blogger on here who would always say about our run defense:
“we were GASHED… GASHED i tell you !!!”
January 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Mack-Madden
LMAO
I’ll whoop you up in some Mario Kart!
January 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
It is amazing what some people’s eyes show them….like last year, “Hey if only we could eliminate the long TD runs our run D is great!”….as if the long TD runs didn’t count
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Dakota,
Stan Routt played like a Pro Bowler in 5 or 6 games this year. definately worth the money!
bwahahahahahah
January 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
That same exact defense is working well for the New York Giants team!
Of course they have the horses to make it work.
Sloppy tackling, the inability to shed blocks, missed gap assignments and guys taking bad angles are the problems with our defense. I blame coaching for not addressing these issues and the players commitment to learn these basic fundamentals.
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There’s some merit to that statement, however, how do you explain this lack of success, no matter who the players are, no matter who the coaches are?
We have the same issues every season. Without question.
I dont subscribe to the theory of “bad tackling”. In my opinion, good tackling starts and ends with the players being in position to actually make the tackle. Look at the 49ers players this year. I thought Donte Whitner and Carlos Rodgers were overhyped first round busts? Now look at them with this great coaching they’re getting! They’re making plays!
How else do you explain the 6 foot wide holes in our run defense for backs like Willis McGahee to walk through, every game at leats once per game as far back as anyone can remember!
Same issues every season. I just can’t believe that no matter what players we have it doesnt get better.
The only common theme is Al Davis’ defense.
I’m ready for a 21st century mind on the defensive side of the ball. That is step 1 to us becoming a consistent franchise.
Remember before the season started when the analysts said how much defensive “talent” we have?
PUT THE PLAYERS IN POSITION TO SUCCEED!
Thats my opinion on the defensive matter that has plagued us all these years.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Raiders will be interviewing Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morhinweg for their head coaching vacancy #insideslant
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Someone mentioned Morhinweg.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
700.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
It is amazing what some people’s eyes show them….like last year, “Hey if only we could eliminate the long TD runs our run D is great!”….as if the long TD runs didn’t count
***
Dakota,
Stan Routt played like a Pro Bowler in 5 or 6 games this year. definately worth the money!
bwahahahahahah
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LMFAO
McClain + Routt
They are who we thought they were!
Right Rockstar?
January 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Mack-Madden
LMAO
I’ll whoop you up in some Mario Kart!
$$$$$$$$$$
you would on the game cube or wii.
but NOT on the nintendo 64 or super nintendo ! ! !
January 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
January 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
681.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Compounded by Bo Jacksons injury. I also hate that song by Michelle Branch and Santana called The game of love, sung during the halftime show of the Superbowl-Raiders/Bucs.
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The only time in my life suicide crossed my mind….driving home from a SB party in Omaha, NE, hell, it wasn’t even after, I think I left in the 3rd quarter….thought it would be nice to just take off my seatbelt and do some 90 mph off roadin’….right into an overpass or something.
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That was a bad Super Bowl. I kept saying all through the playoffs I didn’t want to play them. My wife kicked everyone out of our house during the AFC Championship game against Baltimore.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Raiders will be interviewing Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morhinweg for their head coaching vacancy #insideslant
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Well, at least Reggie didn’t lie to us….he said he was going to leave no stone unturned in the search for a HC or something like that.
January 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
there was one blogger on here who would always say about our run defense:
“we were GASHED… GASHED i tell you !!!”
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Mack,
probably SnB.
Dakota, ROG & myself annually harping for some big ugly nose tackles. grunts that can’t be moved. do the dirty work
January 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I know this doesn’t relate to the topic at hand but then again many posts don’t
Not sure what year it was but I was bartending at the Loews Miami Beach in 2004, 2005 maybe before that…I noticed a large dude, who really stood out, wearing a Gannon jersey, shorts and sandals walk in our pool area which is massive. I kept an eye on him until he reached the bar and low and behold it’s Barret Robbins. That same night, or the next he was shot by police on South Beach. Crazy
January 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
bresnahan d and prevent is multi-faceted and complicated:
*dog schit coverage
*crap coverage
*horses ass zone
*chicken schit tackling
*fckng roll over
*no-run d
*fire at will what do
*did i mention dog schit, oh yeah, can’t get enough dog schit into the mix, thats for sure.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
708.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
I know this doesn’t relate to the topic at hand but then again many posts don’t
Not sure what year it was but I was bartending at the Loews Miami Beach in 2004, 2005 maybe before that…I noticed a large dude, who really stood out, wearing a Gannon jersey, shorts and sandals walk in our pool area which is massive. I kept an eye on him until he reached the bar and low and behold it’s Barret Robbins. That same night, or the next he was shot by police on South Beach. Crazy
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WTF dude, why didn’t you shoot him yourself?
January 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Someone mentioned Morhinweg
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your boy YA!
some semi pro’s never miss
January 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Vontaze Burfict is slowly slipping down draft charts due to Alabama LB’s looking so good in the championship game and that Burfict is some what overly crazy but so was this guy who happens to play linebacker named RAY LEWIS…..Burfict has the fire I would want on my squad and if Winston Moss ends up being the coach then I hope we draft this kid… If Big Mac can get us a 2nd round pick Burfict should be there…
January 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
you been preaching for a big space eater run stuffer.
that i do know.
last one was Ted washington?
but that was during the warren sapp debacle.
failed 3-4 def turned 4-3 def after couple games.
i wish terdell sands would have worked out for us…
dude looked like an shrek like ogre in person.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I’m old school Mack Madden, I play the Nintendo 64! lol That game is more enjoyable with a few drinks and bets on the table.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
if Marty Morhinweg can make Vick and Young look like legit passers, he’s gonna crap his pants when he gets a look at Palmer & Pryor in Oakland ….
January 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
I think they would have written me up, Dakota.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Someone mentioned Morhinweg
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your boy YA!
some semi pro’s never miss
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Seriously.
Props to YA.
Some of the semi’s in here do the work I would have done if we had an internet 25 years ago. lol
Really enjoy reading their researched input.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
716.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
I think they would have written me up, Dakota.
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I don’t know….sounds like you would have just been a good samaritan…..
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Growing up with a 9er fan (my dad), I didn’t really dislike them at all…came to teh Bay Area 11 years ago…within 6 months of listening to their BS, I now despise them…
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
if Marty Morhinweg can make Vick and Young look like legit passers, he’s gonna crap his pants when he gets a look at Palmer & Pryor in Oakland ….
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Pryor would definitely benefit.
Palmer could make Marty look reeaally smart.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
705.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
January 17th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
681.MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Compounded by Bo Jacksons injury. I also hate that song by Michelle Branch and Santana called The game of love, sung during the halftime show of the Superbowl-Raiders/Bucs.
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The only time in my life suicide crossed my mind….driving home from a SB party in Omaha, NE, hell, it wasn’t even after, I think I left in the 3rd quarter….thought it would be nice to just take off my seatbelt and do some 90 mph off roadin’….right into an overpass or something.
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That was a bad Super Bowl. I kept saying all through the playoffs I didn’t want to play them. My wife kicked everyone out of our house during the AFC Championship game against Baltimore.
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Still remember that day like it was yesterday. Waited all those years for that. On top of that, a couple of my friends came over and decided to cheer for the Buc’s. They didn’t like the Buc’s, just knew I was a Raider fan and wanted to mess with me. To stupid to know that, given the score, they should leave it alone. Told them to get the f out of my house and haven’t talked to them since.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
you been preaching for a big space eater run stuffer.
that i do know.
last one was Ted washington?
but that was during the warren sapp debacle.
failed 3-4 def turned 4-3 def after couple games.
***
Mack,
Ted Washington was 35 years old when he signed with us. We were his 6th NFL team.
Pretty safe to say he was “washed up” in 2004/2005
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
wonder if we are keeping chucky b as a ‘hedge your bet’ kind of move since all the good dc’s are getting signed. maybe management feels hue is to blame for the messed up defense. offense should of stayed on the field longer and not forced the d out there so much. they got tired and bungled the whole plan. tired d not a good thing. offenses fault. offense shoulda kept the ball over 2:1 per game. utter nonsense. can’t expect a tired d to make plays, especially when the schemes dont fit.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
I just heard Mort say on the Mort Report that Mark Trestman could be the next coach for the, wait for it….wait for it…. alright, the Colts.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I’m old school Mack Madden, I play the Nintendo 64! lol That game is more enjoyable with a few drinks and bets on the table.
$$$$$$$$$$
Nintendo64
MARIO KART
OR
GOLDEN EYE
Great for drinking and betting
January 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
724.realtruraider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
I just heard Mort say on the Mort Report that Mark Trestman could be the next coach for the, wait for it….wait for it…. alright, the Colts.
Whew…had me ready to throw something at the comp screen…lol
January 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
723.Smee Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
wonder if we are keeping chucky b as a ‘hedge your bet’ kind of move since all the good dc’s are getting signed. maybe management feels hue is to blame for the messed up defense. offense should of stayed on the field longer and not forced the d out there so much. they got tired and bungled the whole plan. tired d not a good thing. offenses fault. offense shoulda kept the ball over 2:1 per game. utter nonsense. can’t expect a tired d to make plays, especially when the schemes dont fit.
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Anyone have a wrong answer buzzer? This joint needs to upgrade with sounds!!
January 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
you been preaching for a big space eater run stuffer.
that i do know.
last one was Ted washington?
but that was during the warren sapp debacle.
failed 3-4 def turned 4-3 def after couple games.
***
Mack,
Ted Washington was 35 years old when he signed with us. We were his 6th NFL team.
Pretty safe to say he was “washed up” in 2004/2005
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Imagine the glee in here when the Raiders actually field a D that stuffs the run consistently.
The Guys will be Rock Stars.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
727.ElkGRaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Anyone have a wrong answer buzzer? This joint needs to upgrade with sounds!!
____________________
I don’t know, Jhill and I would be buzzing at each other all day long.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Raiders will be interviewing Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morhinweg for their head coaching vacancy #insideslant
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Someone mentioned Morhinweg.
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I did. He was a hot mess when he coached the Lions. Not sure what to make of Big Mac interviewing him now. He IS a good coordinator, but I don’t know about him as the head guy.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Dakota Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
727.ElkGRaider Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Anyone have a wrong answer buzzer? This joint needs to upgrade with sounds!!
____________________
I don’t know, Jhill and I would be buzzing at each other all day long.
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lol
That does have comedic value however.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Mornhinweg might indeed be a good fit.
Palmer = McNabb five years ago
Pryor = a very, very, very… very raw version of Vick
Ford = DeSean Jackson
DHB = Maclin
McFadden = McCoy
Boss = Celek
The Raiders might have a slightly better offensive line, too.
In this case, I wonder if Spagnuolo would be open to the DC opening here since he worked with Mornhinweg in Philly.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Raiders will be interviewing Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morhinweg for their head coaching vacancy #insideslant
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Someone mentioned Morhinweg.
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I did. He was a hot mess when he coached the Lions. Not sure what to make of Big Mac interviewing him now. He IS a good coordinator, but I don’t know about him as the head guy.
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I guess that’s where Reggie’s gut comes into play.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Remove the spoiled quitter DMAC from our team!
January 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Reggies gut….thats a big gut!
January 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
733.RaiderLen Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Raiders will be interviewing Eagles offensive coordinator Marty Morhinweg for their head coaching vacancy #insideslant
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Someone mentioned Morhinweg.
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I did. He was a hot mess when he coached the Lions. Not sure what to make of Big Mac interviewing him now. He IS a good coordinator, but I don’t know about him as the head guy.
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I guess that’s where Reggie’s gut comes into play.
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Yeah, Reggies just gut checking these dudes
January 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yeah, it wasn’t me who originally mentioned him, sorry guys.
I like that McKenzie is interviewing a LOT of different candidates. 4-3 defensive guys (Allen), offensive coordinators (McCoy, Philbin, Mornhinweg, Carmichael), some 3-4 defensive guys (Bowles, and soon Moss and Capers)… this is a good search thus far.
I’m not doing backflips over some of the options, but why not bring them in for interviews, if only to leave no rock unturned? I’m sure McKenzie wants to make the RIGHT decision more than a quick one, and the only way to do that is to explore all possible options.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Tecmo Bowl! lol
January 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
I posted yesterday about Reggie’s gut feeling. I just hope he doesn’t have any bad cheese burgers. Al hired Bugel after some bad Tai food.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
737.YoungAmerican Says:
January 17th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Yeah, it wasn’t me who originally mentioned him, sorry guys.
I like that McKenzie is interviewing a LOT of different candidates. 4-3 defensive guys (Allen), offensive coordinators (McCoy, Philbin, Mornhinweg, Carmichael), some 3-4 defensive guys (Bowles, and soon Moss and Capers)… this is a good search thus far.
I’m not doing backflips over some of the options, but why not bring them in for interviews, if only to leave no rock unturned? I’m sure McKenzie wants to make the RIGHT decision more than a quick one, and the only way to do that is to explore all possible options.
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Agreed. Its his first time doing interviews. Let him due his thing. If anything is will save face when he does settle on Moss…
January 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
do*
January 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Ford = DeSean Jackson
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YA:
come on, man. I was just bragging on you!
January 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Broncos
Chiefs
Chargers
Patriots
Steelers
Seahawks
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My hate list is exactly the same, though I must say Seattle is a very distant #6
January 17th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Is there any possibility the Raiders win a Super Bowl before Lane Kiffin wins a national championship? I didn’t think so, either.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
740.
Reggie may already know who he is going to bring in and is just doing these interviews for himself. He is the man now and maybe working on his interviewing technique.
January 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
I think Reggie should eat more cheeseburgers because if he goes off of his gut feeling and it’s essentially growing then maybe he’ll make a better H.C choice since he’ll have more gut to get a feeling from?
January 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Don’t you understand what the Hamburgler is doing? The deal to coach is in place with Moss, and he is interviewing his OC and DC position for him to make a quick coaching coup when WM is hired.
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