Raiders live chat here Tuesday at noon
By Jon Becker
Monday, January 23rd, 2012 at 12:00 pm in Oakland Raiders.
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January 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Wimbley should be doing exactly what Aldon Smith is.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Yeeeeeeeeeeeees!
Not!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:01 pm
1st
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Guess not..
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Reggie, cancel the meeting with Tice please.
Thank you.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Not excited about any of these HC candidates. Seems like they are all bottom feeders. I suppose that’s better than a used car salesman.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Linebackers have to drop into coverage sometimes its part of the game. If Wimbly cant cover then he should only be in during “Obvious” running downs only or be a a part of the DL so he wont have to drop into coverage.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Pajama Jammy Jams in my private suite at Farmer’s Field are going to TIGHT
LA Raiders back home, word
Going over specifications today with my manager, looks like we can fit the PARTYDUDE 8000 next to the tempura battered onion ring and chipotle buffalo wing stations.
And you KNOW I’ll be looping Big Top Pee Wee on the flat screens
MO SIZZLE FLY WHUT
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
This coaching situation is a nightnmare. Seriously.
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How do you figure? Reggie’s interviewed a bunch of highly-respected candidates, and (possibly) come up with an under-the-rader-but-respected DC. Worked out pretty well for Atlanta and Mike Smith, no?
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Are you kidding me? Highly respected candidates? That’s funny. Do you really think that before the announcement of Reggie’s hiring that he wasn’t aware he was being hired? Of course he knew, You would think he had a plan. He is wasting valuable time with these BS interviews. We should already have a coach and be evaluating the players and staff right now. Come on’ man.
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Marty – Considered a top OC
Bowles – Interviewed by other teams for the HC job
Allen – Considered a top DC
Carmichael — OC for a top offense
You will also note there is NONE of the usual media eye-rolling like there was with Al’s searches. We’re getting good candidates this time. Don’t get mad just because none of them is named Jon Gruden.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I hope all those dipsh!ts on this blog who constantly rip on the Raiders ProBowl special teamers were watching HOW the losers of the championship games lost.
Their special teams blew it!!
Looks like punter, long snapper and kicker are the ONLY three positions that Reggie need not be worried about on this team…
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I hope all those dipsh!ts on this blog who constantly rip on the Raiders ProBowl special teamers were watching HOW the losers of the championship games lost.
Their special teams blew it!!
Looks like punter, long snapper and kicker are the ONLY three positions that Reggie need not be worried about on this team…
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CODE CONDO SUCKAS!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:05 pm
I hope all those dipsh!ts on this blog who constantly rip on the Raiders ProBowl special teamers were watching HOW the losers of the championship games lost.
Their special teams blew it!!
Looks like punter, long snapper and kicker are the ONLY three positions that Reggie need not be worried about on this team…
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GREAT Perspective.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
7.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Linebackers have to drop into coverage sometimes its part of the game. If Wimbly cant cover then he should only be in during “Obvious” running downs only or be a a part of the DL so he wont have to drop into coverage.
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Wimbley needs to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. He has no business being a 4-3 SLB. The defense is a mess.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
For the last time, Hue was not a very good head coach.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:09 pm
For the last time, Hue was not a very good head coach.
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I agree.
Hue = Norv (good OC)
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:10 pm
It sucks that the only thing Lechler does is incresae the amount of yards a team has to go to score on us!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
58.DeuceDeuce Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
There is a reason why Moringwheg has not got a 2nd chance at being a head coach.
Out of all the coaches from the “Holmgren Tree”, Morningwheg was weak link of the bunch. Obviously.
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Ya the reason is he has been the offensive coordinator for one of the better offenses the past years..
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Reid calls the plays in Philly bruh. Plus all of a sudden some you want the West Coast offense back here in Oakland with Moring running the show, and would rather Morningwheg ahead of Gruden?? LMAO!!
Some guy named Mike Vick has inflated Philly offensive numbers also.
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He’s the OC/Asst HC.
Reid isnt the only one making decisions.
Its not all about play calling.
Gameplan is almost as if not more important
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Philly hasn’t gone deep in the playoffs in who knows how long either.
A big NO to Morningwheg as Head Coach of the Raiders!
Rather have Del Rio and then get Del Rio some good Coordinators!
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Not letting this off the hook.
5 NFC Championship games in 8 years.
1 Super Bowl.
Not deep into the playoffs???
And again you used the logic of not getting deep into the playoffs, then you suggested Del Rio!?!?!?!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
“Wimbley needs to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. He has no business being a 4-3 SLB. The defense is a mess.”
Ding Ding there is someone who understands LB’s responsibility.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
We basically have 2 options with selecting a new HC:
1) Hire a former HC that has a losing record (Capers, Morninhweg, Tice etc.)
2) Hire a guy that has been succesful as a coordinator and give him his 1st shot as a HC (Moss, Allen, Bowles etc..)
Which would you prefer?
I’m leaning toward #2.
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Problem with #2 is you have a brand new GM who has never been a GM before. If you couple that to a HC who has never been a HC before along with coordinators who have never been coordinators before, it is a complete recipe for disaster. If Reggie hires a HC with no prior HC experience, he should make sure one of the coordinators does, like Mike Nolan.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
20.DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
Isn’t that friggen sickening?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:18 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:15 pm
20.DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
Isn’t that friggen sickening?
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whiners fans?
No way.
They live in SF.
No way.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
post not going thru
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
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Didnt know that was going on… Shouldnt they be more p!ssed at Ted Ginn who Williams was replacing??
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:20 pm
post not going thru
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Dust yourself off and try again
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Problem with #2 is you have a brand new GM who has never been a GM before. If you couple that to a HC who has never been a HC before along with coordinators who have never been coordinators before, it is a complete recipe for disaster. If Reggie hires a HC with no prior HC experience, he should make sure one of the coordinators does, like Mike Nolan.
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Reggie was in the front office for 17 years in Green Bay. The man may have a new title in a new town but he’s hardly inexperienced.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
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Didnt know that was going on… Shouldnt they be more p!ssed at Ted Ginn who Williams was replacing??
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I’m just glad that Whiner bandwagon fever is over!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I wonder why these Whiner fans at work are awfully quiet 2day?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
24.Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Corky,
Are you the one sending death threats to Kyle Williams?
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Didnt know that was going on… Shouldnt they be more p!ssed at Ted Ginn who Williams was replacing??
They should have been pissed off at their offense…1-13 in 3rd down conversions? Really? Also for their D for not stopping the RUN after that fumble…I am not convinced that Tines would have been automatic from 43 yards out…
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Problem with #2 is you have a brand new GM who has never been a GM before. If you couple that to a HC who has never been a HC before along with coordinators who have never been coordinators before, it is a complete recipe for disaster. If Reggie hires a HC with no prior HC experience, he should make sure one of the coordinators does, like Mike Nolan.
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Reggie was in the front office for 17 years in Green Bay. The man may have a new title in a new town but he’s hardly inexperienced.
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yes, but he has never been in a position where he had to put his name on the bottom line. Ted Thompson did that. Big difference.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
The Raiders need a defensive Coach.
I’m sick of watching arm tackles and bad angles.
The Raiders aren’t even playing the same sport as those teams yesterday.
Those guys were laying WOOD.
We need DEFENSE.
Just Win Baby.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
So if Eli wins another SB, is he considered better than his big bruh?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I wonder why these Whiner fans at work are awfully quiet 2day?
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Just like I havent heard a peep out of the a$$hole SteAler fan since they got ‘Tebowed’….lol
All I know is, its a great time to be a RAIDER!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
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January 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I wonder why these Whiner fans at work are awfully quiet 2day?
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Just like I havent heard a peep out of the a$$hole SteAler fan since they got ‘Tebowed’….lol
All I know is, its a great time to be a RAIDER!!
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Yes sir!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
32.DMAC Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
So if Eli wins another SB, is he considered better than his big bruh?
They are already saying it…a record 5 post season wins on the road…both leading to SB appearances!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
You don’t know how absolutely stupid some of you sound. Tom Brady threw two picks and no TD’s yesterday in the conference championship. Most of you would have cut Brady going into the tunnel at halftime.
Let’s say Kyle Williams turns into Devon Hester for the next 10 years and the Raiders want to bring him in. You guys would be like, No, he fumbled twice in the conference championship ten years ago. He sucks. Unbelievable.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Later peoples!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Dr HST, true dat! Time for the RAIDERS D to become FEARSOME once again….
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Only Qb in history to throw for 275 yards or moore with 2 TD’s in 3 consecutive post season games…blah blah blah!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:04 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:59 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:53 am
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:52 am
This coaching situation is a nightnmare. Seriously.
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How do you figure? Reggie’s interviewed a bunch of highly-respected candidates, and (possibly) come up with an under-the-rader-but-respected DC. Worked out pretty well for Atlanta and Mike Smith, no?
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Are you kidding me? Highly respected candidates? That’s funny. Do you really think that before the announcement of Reggie’s hiring that he wasn’t aware he was being hired? Of course he knew, You would think he had a plan. He is wasting valuable time with these BS interviews. We should already have a coach and be evaluating the players and staff right now. Come on’ man.
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Marty – Considered a top OC
Bowles – Interviewed by other teams for the HC job
Allen – Considered a top DC
Carmichael — OC for a top offense
You will also note there is NONE of the usual media eye-rolling like there was with Al’s searches. We’re getting good candidates this time. Don’t get mad just because none of them is named Jon Gruden.
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Comparing Al’s head coaching searches and Reggie’s head coaching searches is not going to help your arguement any. You and I both know how much stock big Al put into coaches. None of the guys you mentioned inspire any more faith for me in regards to the Raiders becoming true contenders. If they were only options as cordinators and not head coaches I could see that, And Be fine with it. Just not to lead our team. I understand when a new GM comes in he wants to bring in his guy. One would hope that “his guy” would either be an equal or a step up. Right now I am skeptical, I hope Reggie has something up his sleeve for Raider nations sake. For the record I could care less if Gruden came back-Just sayin.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
37.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
You don’t know how absolutely stupid some of you sound. Tom Brady threw two picks and no TD’s yesterday in the conference championship. Most of you would have cut Brady going into the tunnel at halftime.
Let’s say Kyle Williams turns into Devon Hester for the next 10 years and the Raiders want to bring him in. You guys would be like, No, he fumbled twice in the conference championship ten years ago. He sucks. Unbelievable.
Who are you talking to?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
cfrylopez Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO! In LA Times Poll asking if the Raiders should move to LA
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Quit spamming us. And be sure to vote “YES,” because whether or not the Raiders move back to LA depends entirely on the results of a nonscientific LA Times poll.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Mike Zimmer, Ray Horton, and Vic Fangio are named I’d like to see pop up in the interview process. Doubt any of them will at this point.
But I do like Dennis Allen as a candidate. He and Todd Bowles are the strongest HC options thus far.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
You don’t know how absolutely stupid some of you sound. Tom Brady threw two picks and no TD’s yesterday in the conference championship. Most of you would have cut Brady going into the tunnel at halftime.
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LOL! Misty Eyes would have cut him long ago and replaced him with Jason or Troy Smith.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
They should have been pissed off at their offense…1-13 in 3rd down conversions? Really?
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Wow, Crabtree just didn’t show up! This is the guy complaining he desereved to be the highest paid receiver in the draft class and he cannot even hold Nicks, Cruz or Manningham’s jock in the big game. One pass for 3 yards…wow thank god (Al) we drafted DHB…
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Who are you talking to?
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90% of the knuckleheads that post here. The don’t want Mohringweg, they don’t want Capers, they don’t want Tice, they don’t want Bronco’s, they don’t want Whiners. They want to bring Jackson and Gruden back. Funniest part is the guys they don’t want are all actually employed in the National Football League. The guys they want, aren’t.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
yes, but he has never been in a position where he had to put his name on the bottom line. Ted Thompson did that. Big difference.
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I have faith that he (Reggie) endorsed by Wolf and (I forget the other guys name at the moment) will select a HC that will succeed, young or old, and whatever staff he puts in place will be succesful.
At the very least, it’s gonna be better than what has gone down the last nine years.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I have faith that he (Reggie) endorsed by Wolf and (I forget the other guys name at the moment)
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John Madden. You may be familiar with his video game?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
One thing I’m happy about is raider nation would never send death threats to any of are players despite what they do and we gave had some players screw up big time in the last ten yrs I know a big playoff game wasnt at line but still (All I can say is stay classy nation) I guess be patient with the HC search also I’m trying it’s hard somethin will happen this week.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
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The candidates are not there to assist with your tumescence. They’re there to potentially coach the Oakland Raiders.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
47.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Who are you talking to?
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90% of the knuckleheads that post here. The don’t want Mohringweg, they don’t want Capers, they don’t want Tice, they don’t want Bronco’s, they don’t want Whiners. They want to bring Jackson and Gruden back. Funniest part is the guys they don’t want are all actually employed in the National Football League. The guys they want, aren’t.
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LOL @ 90%
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
You don’t know how absolutely stupid some of you sound. Tom Brady threw two picks and no TD’s yesterday in the conference championship. Most of you would have cut Brady going into the tunnel at halftime.
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LOL! Misty Eyes would have cut him long ago and replaced him with Jason or Troy Smith.
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Exactly. Funny how the very best Q’s in the league actually throw INT’s at times. But man, if they do here, and don’t complete 100% of their passes, dudes here want them gone and replaced with players like Tyrell Pryor who not only has never even thrown a pass in the league but may not be able to.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Jmcclain Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
One thing I’m happy about is raider nation would never send death threats to any of are players despite what they do
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Classless Niner scum.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
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The candidates are not there to assist with your tumescence. They’re there to potentially coach the Oakland Raiders
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nice word lol
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
50.RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I have faith that he (Reggie) endorsed by Wolf and (I forget the other guys name at the moment)
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John Madden. You may be familiar with his video game?
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No it’s not Madden, Herock I believe it is. But thanks for assuming I’m an idiot!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
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The candidates are not there to assist with your tumescence. They’re there to potentially coach the Oakland Raiders
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Can u give me a reason to get excited? And saying the media isn’t rolling there eyes as they would for an Al head coaching search isn’t satisfying me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
47.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Who are you talking to?
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90% of the knuckleheads that post here. The don’t want Mohringweg, they don’t want Capers, they don’t want Tice, they don’t want Bronco’s, they don’t want Whiners. They want to bring Jackson and Gruden back. Funniest part is the guys they don’t want are all actually employed in the National Football League. The guys they want, aren’t.
Gotcha!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
It’s funny that some of you guys have such black-and-white views on who or what the head coach should be.
The truth is that it’s not as easy as looking at someone’s resume and deciding whether or not they are “qualified”.
All that matters is putting the right coach in the right situation. Let him pick a staff who he knows he can work with, and who share his vision. Let him implement his own scheme, and help him find players who fit that scheme.
Basically, you have to catch lightning in a bottle. You have to cultivate the right situation, no matter who the coach is or what their background includes.
This is why a coach who wins a Superbowl with one team has NEVER gone on to another team and experienced the same type of success.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
57. LOL! @ both.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:36 pm
You don’t know how absolutely stupid some of you sound. Tom Brady threw two picks and no TD’s yesterday in the conference championship. Most of you would have cut Brady going into the tunnel at halftime.
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LOL! Misty Eyes would have cut him long ago and replaced him with Jason or Troy Smith.
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Exactly. Funny how the very best Q’s in the league actually throw INT’s at times. But man, if they do here, and don’t complete 100% of their passes, dudes here want them gone and replaced with players like Tyrell Pryor who not only has never even thrown a pass in the league but may not be able to.
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Seymour, I still remember when folks in here blamed the loss to the Lions on Palmer. Because of one play where he missed a wide open receiver. Actually the receiver got his hands on the ball. But LMAO! In a game where he had a 113 QB rating, they were blaming him. Many of the clowns in here have their heads firmly planted up their keisters.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
It’s funny that some of you guys have such black-and-white views on who or what the head coach should be.
The truth is that it’s not as easy as looking at someone’s resume and deciding whether or not they are “qualified”.
All that matters is putting the right coach in the right situation. Let him pick a staff who he knows he can work with, and who share his vision. Let him implement his own scheme, and help him find players who fit that scheme.
Basically, you have to catch lightning in a bottle. You have to cultivate the right situation, no matter who the coach is or what their background includes.
This is why a coach who wins a Superbowl with one team has NEVER gone on to another team and experienced the same type of success.
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I’m generally an optimistic fan. I agree with you. I think it is 10 years of 500. or less football taking it’s toll on me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Jmcclain Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
One thing I’m happy about is raider nation would never send death threats to any of are players despite what they do
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Classless Niner scum.
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True, As a Radier fan, I am geting his gift basket ready!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Bellicheat is a great example of a coach not working out with one team but going on to great success with another. Folks need to prepare themselves for someone like Mornhingweg or Allen to get hired.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Just like it was Kyle Wiliams fault that their offense couldn’t convert 3rd downs..One stat I thought was funny…
Smith was 7 out of, oh I give up…for 79 yards in the first half! 1 was for 73 yards…the other 6 was for 6 yards…and at the 2 minute warning…with Smith throwing into the grass, ran off a whopping 18 seconds off of the clock! But…they want to kill Kyle and his family…very classless!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Any coach hired by this competent and well regarded GM candidate is fine with me.
Not so much caught up in the name, I hope that the head coach hires a full-time OC and DC and allows them to run their respective sides of the ball.
The biggest impact a head coach can make on THIS team is instilling discipline, a sense of purpose and accountibility.
The candidates announced thusfar are ALL an UPGRADE over Hue Jackson and his B.S
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
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The candidates are not there to assist with your tumescence. They’re there to potentially coach the Oakland Raiders
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Can u give me a reason to get excited? And saying the media isn’t rolling there eyes as they would for an Al head coaching search isn’t satisfying me.
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None of them is exciting. But who would be (other than Gruden or Cowher, who are not leaving the broadcast booth)? Even Fangio would be a very un-sexy choice. And that’s fine with me. Al was all about the sexy choice who would flame out. A boring choice who merely wins a bunch of football games and a championship here and there would be just peachy with me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
CorkOnTheNFL Steve Corkran
Reggie McKenzie set to interview Broncos defensive coordinator Dennis Allen for a second time. Bears off. coord. Mike Tice up Tuesday.
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Come on Cork! Get up a little earlier. Don’t you have any aspirations to be a good reporter at all? Quit your late night binge drinking and do your damn job.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I’m generally an optimistic fan. I agree with you. I think it is 10 years of 500. or less football taking it’s toll on me.
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I’m the same way, I sympathize. It’s tough. BECAUSE there have been so many years of mediocrity (or worse), this almost HAS to be a long process. Whoever comes in to coach this team is going to have to entirely change the culture.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I’m generally an optimistic fan. I agree with you. I think it is 10 years of 500. or less football taking it’s toll on me.
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I’m the same way, I sympathize. It’s tough. BECAUSE there have been so many years of mediocrity (or worse), this almost HAS to be a long process. Whoever comes in to coach this team is going to have to entirely change the culture.
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The culture has to change and there are some check cashers that have to be removed from the roster.
It will not be an easy nor short process
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I’m open to bring in a Denver coach just so we can go slap another 50 plus points on them with their guy.
Think Al would ever let one of his coaches go interview for an AFC West team? No! He would have fired them for wanting to do it. And throw them out of the building and tell them good luck. Then he would call the other team and tell them how he just had to fire the guy for raping Trask and embezzling from the team.
I miss Al!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Seymour, I still remember when folks in here blamed the loss to the Lions on Palmer. Because of one play where he missed a wide open receiver. Actually the receiver got his hands on the ball. But LMAO! In a game where he had a 113 QB rating, they were blaming him. Many of the clowns in here have their heads firmly planted up their keisters.
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Exactly. Dude complete 80% of his passes, and that is not enough. It is terrifying to read the posts in here. How anyone can be successful in this kind of environment is incredible. OK, we don’t want Mohringweg, Capers, Tice, what do you guys want? Should we go over to that Time Machine Hot Tub and go get Tom Landry or Vince Lombardi and bring him back to the future?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:56 pm
72.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I’m open to bring in a Denver coach just so we can go slap another 50 plus points on them with their guy.
Think Al would ever let one of his coaches go interview for an AFC West team? No! He would have fired them for wanting to do it. And throw them out of the building and tell them good luck. Then he would call the other team and tell them how he just had to fire the guy for raping Trask and embezzling from the team.
I miss Al!
Only problem with that…I think Trask will probably kill the guy that tries to!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Wimbley needs to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. He has no business being a 4-3 SLB. The defense is a mess.
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I’ve been saying this since he came here in 2010.
Thank you.
Can I add that Seymour and Houston are already on our roster and are perfect 3-4 DE’s?
Seymour already carved out a HOF career at this position. Not 4-3 DT.
Lamaar Houston is Justin Smith, he just has the wrong job description right now.
3-4 here we come!
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
17.DeuceDeuce Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:12 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:58 am
DeuceDeuce Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:54 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:51 am
58.DeuceDeuce Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:48 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am
There is a reason why Moringwheg has not got a 2nd chance at being a head coach.
Out of all the coaches from the “Holmgren Tree”, Morningwheg was weak link of the bunch. Obviously.
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Ya the reason is he has been the offensive coordinator for one of the better offenses the past years..
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Reid calls the plays in Philly bruh. Plus all of a sudden some you want the West Coast offense back here in Oakland with Moring running the show, and would rather Morningwheg ahead of Gruden?? LMAO!!
Some guy named Mike Vick has inflated Philly offensive numbers also.
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He’s the OC/Asst HC.
Reid isnt the only one making decisions.
Its not all about play calling.
Gameplan is almost as if not more important
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Philly hasn’t gone deep in the playoffs in who knows how long either.
A big NO to Morningwheg as Head Coach of the Raiders!
Rather have Del Rio and then get Del Rio some good Coordinators!
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Not letting this off the hook.
5 NFC Championship games in 8 years.
1 Super Bowl.
Not deep into the playoffs???
And again you used the logic of not getting deep into the playoffs, then you suggested Del Rio!?!?!?!
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Get over it. Morningwheg would a crappy choice as head coach for the Raiders….PERIOD!
Hence, why you don’t haven’t seen him hired in the last 4 years to be a head coach anywhere else.
Get a clue.
I guess you would be happy to go back to the West Coast offense under Morning ahead of a West Coast offense lead by a REAL head coach like Job Gruden who has a SUPER BOWL WIN?
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The candidates announced thusfar are ALL an UPGRADE over Hue Jackson and his B.S
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Not an upgrade, a HUGE UPGRADE over Jackson.
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:59 pm
67.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The candidates announced thusfar are ALL an UPGRADE over Hue Jackson and his B.S
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hahaha….we’ll shall see won’t we?
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
71.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:55 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I’m generally an optimistic fan. I agree with you. I think it is 10 years of 500. or less football taking it’s toll on me.
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I’m the same way, I sympathize. It’s tough. BECAUSE there have been so many years of mediocrity (or worse), this almost HAS to be a long process. Whoever comes in to coach this team is going to have to entirely change the culture.
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The culture has to change and there are some check cashers that have to be removed from the roster.
It will not be an easy nor short process
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Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Hue Jackson will be the next offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens…
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Get over it. Morningwheg would a crappy choice as head coach for the Raiders….PERIOD!
Hence, why you don’t haven’t seen him hired in the last 4 years to be a head coach anywhere else.
Get a clue.
I guess you would be happy to go back to the West Coast offense under Morning ahead of a West Coast offense lead by a REAL head coach like Job Gruden who has a SUPER BOWL WIN?
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We never got over the hump with Gruden. It was Callahan. Gruden took over a Championship caliber team, won it all, and then posted a losing season the next year. And after that got worse and worse, until he left the franchise in a smoldering wreck. Just like here.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
The culture has to change and there are some check cashers that have to be removed from the roster.
It will not be an easy nor short process
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Yep, completely agreed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Current head coach options make my pecker soft
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The candidates are not there to assist with your tumescence. They’re there to potentially coach the Oakland Raiders
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Can u give me a reason to get excited? And saying the media isn’t rolling there eyes as they would for an Al head coaching search isn’t satisfying me.
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None of them is exciting. But who would be (other than Gruden or Cowher, who are not leaving the broadcast booth)? Even Fangio would be a very un-sexy choice. And that’s fine with me. Al was all about the sexy choice who would flame out. A boring choice who merely wins a bunch of football games and a championship here and there would be just peachy with me.
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I would be more than happy with an “un-sexy” choice whomever it may be if they are competent. As I said to YoungAmerican I think the last 10 years are making me jaded, I don’t want to be that way. I guess I just think a real strong personality and a good track record for a HC is the best remedy for the Raiders inconsistent ways (even if it is expensive). I think if we were a different team over the last decade we could afford to take a gamble so to speak on some of the guys mentioned. Call me crazy but there is a lot of stuff that needs to be ironed out in Oaktown. A rookie GM and rookie HC make me nervous. I think it would be easier for Reggie to be succesful and do his job with the right guy at HC, I’m just not so sure even his “gut” truly knows who that man is.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
67.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Any coach hired by this competent and well regarded GM candidate is fine with me.
Not so much caught up in the name, I hope that the head coach hires a full-time OC and DC and allows them to run their respective sides of the ball.
The biggest impact a head coach can make on THIS team is instilling discipline, a sense of purpose and accountibility.
The candidates announced thusfar are ALL an UPGRADE over Hue Jackson and his B.S
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^^What he said^^.
Hues idea of discipline was having the millionaires throw a 100 bucks into a jar everytime they swore. I mean got a penalty!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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No they didn’t do it over night.
Mike Singletary deserves all the credit for changing the culture and instilling a hard hitting attitude to the defense. They also beefed up their o-line and built the team around frank gore.
If not for Singletary sending Vernon davis to the showers…he would have ended up like the endless list of Raider busts.
The Raiders still have to go through that toughening phase…and eliminate the B.S……still going to take a year or two to get that done.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
44.YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Mike Zimmer, Ray Horton are names I’d like to see pop up in the interview process. Doubt any of them will at this point.
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I agree. I’m surprised Mike Zimmer has not been interviewed yet by McK.
Seems like he has been long overdue for a head coaching job in this league.
Then again, McK is actually considering bad RETREADS like Tice, Morningwheg and Capers…so who knows what the hell is going on.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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The 49ers had better pieces to work with, though. The Raiders don’t have a single player on the roster who is the same kind of impact player as Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, or Justin Smith.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Hue Jackson will be the next offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens…
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DOOOGGGGG!!! No he won’t. Jackson had two OC jobs before he came here, and both went poorly. And he didn’t do all that well here. Jackson is a decent position coach. Nothing more. You guys, basically ending a season 0-5 and getting the playoffs ripped out of your mitts twice is nothing to celebrate.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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Not so fast with that. LOTS of coaches are gangbusters their first year and then flame out (see Mangini, Eric). Let’s see what Harbaugh does in Year Two before proclaiming him Bill Walsh 2.0.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
I agree. I’m surprised Mike Zimmer has not been interviewed yet by McK.
Seems like he has been long overdue for a head coaching job in this league.
Then again, McK is actually considering bad RETREADS like Tice, Morningwheg and Capers…so who knows what the hell is going on.
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Zimmer is no more a sure thing than Tice, Morninwheg, or Capers.
Gruden was no more qualified than Hue Jackson when he was hired. And neither of them were any more qualified than Dennis Allen.
Again – finding the right coach for a team isn’t done on paper.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Also, Gruden gets to pick and choose when and where he comes back to be a head coach…not the other way around. That’s a nice luxury to have.
Tice, Morningwheg and Capers don’t have a luxury like that for a reason.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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The 49ers had better pieces to work with, though. The Raiders don’t have a single player on the roster who is the same kind of impact player as Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, or Justin Smith.
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Nor have the Raiders received near the same amount of production from young players and other key positions.
The Raider young players grow at a glacial pace if at all. more change has to come to Oakland
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Hue Jackson will be the next offensive coordinator for the Baltimore Ravens…
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DOOOGGGGG!!! No he won’t. Jackson had two OC jobs before he came here, and both went poorly. And he didn’t do all that well here. Jackson is a decent position coach. Nothing more. You guys, basically ending a season 0-5 and getting the playoffs ripped out of your mitts twice is nothing to celebrate.
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What up OG?!
The reason I speculated that is because Cam Cameron is on his way out of Baltimore and Hue has a great relationship with Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh. Plus he did have success last year as the Raiders OC, he just sucks as a HC.
Remember I said this…
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
While you blog goobers are arguing over who MIGHT be our next head coach, I’m packing the PARTYBRO 8500 and The Beeech Dawgettes (patent pending) into the Reggae Party Boat and heading down San Diego way!
Gonna do a special guest MC appearance at Winston’s tonight, featuring some of my hot new lyrics.
Also probably sit in with the house band, let the ladies get loose to my smooth island rhythms and provocative gyrations.
BANANA DAIQUIRIS ALL UP IN THIS MOFO
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
75.daraider09 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Wimbley needs to be a 4-3 DE or 3-4 OLB. He has no business being a 4-3 SLB. The defense is a mess.
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I’ve been saying this since he came here in 2010.
Thank you.
Can I add that Seymour and Houston are already on our roster and are perfect 3-4 DE’s?
Seymour already carved out a HOF career at this position. Not 4-3 DT.
Lamaar Houston is Justin Smith, he just has the wrong job description right now.
3-4 here we come!
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I’m hoping for the 3-4 as well but if Allen is hired, I don’t see it happening. Allen changed denvers defense from 3-4 to 4-3 this past season.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Why the preoccupation with Gruden? When has a Superbowl-winning coach ever come out of retirement and gone to a new team and had the same level of success?
I’m not opposed to Gruden. I’m just saying he’s not going to automatically bring the Raiders back from the depth. He’s no more a sure thing than any of the other names that have popped up in this coaching search.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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The 49ers had better pieces to work with, though. The Raiders don’t have a single player on the roster who is the same kind of impact player as Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, or Justin Smith.
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Jim Harbaugh did a FANTASTIC JOB over there. What Harbaugh did was have everyone on the same page. That’s what he accomplished. And think about it, he had Vernon Davis and Craptree who were so far in their own worlds away from everyone else they needed the space shuttle to find them, Clements and Goldston who were free lancing out there and got everyone together, going in the same direction. That was the problem with Jackson, HE WAS THE ONE, going in his own direction.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:11 pm
What up OG?!
The reason I speculated that is because Cam Cameron is on his way out of Baltimore and Hue has a great relationship with Joe Flacco and John Harbaugh. Plus he did have success last year as the Raiders OC, he just sucks as a HC.
Remember I said this…
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Life is good. I will put you down for this and prop you when the time comes!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
3-4 or 4-3 doesn’t matter. The Raiders’ needs are similar regardless.
If they go 3-4, they need a defensive lineman who can play 0-tech NT. If they go 4-3, they need a guy who can play 1-tech or 2-tech DT. Either way – a gap plugger who can hold up against the run in base formations.
If they go 3-4, they need a big-time playmaking OLB on the blind side who can make things happen behind the line of scrummage. If they go 4-3, they need a defensive end who can help seal the edge AND give the Raiders’ 4-man pass rush a boost. This way they can move Lamarr Houston to his natural position, which is 3-tech DT.
And either way, they need some help in the secondary.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Man I wish we didn’t spend 3 of our top 4 draft picks on QB’s! I would like to see Reggies first draft THIS year!
Al Davis did find some good players lately in the mid rounds but he also traded a future 2nd and 7th rounder to aquire a 3rd round pick which he used to select king of the scholarships, Sam Williams…
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I was dreaming that Chip Kelly turned down the Bucs because he got a better offer from the Raiders. A guy can dream…
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
87.YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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The 49ers had better pieces to work with, though. The Raiders don’t have a single player on the roster who is the same kind of impact player as Patrick Willis, Vernon Davis, or Justin Smith.
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I disagree with not having game changing players. I think Singletary did get it started and it took the right guys to put it together. I think Hue got the O heading in the right direction and with the players we have the right coaches can take this team along way next season. Plus\Minus some players.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
3-4 or 4-3 doesn’t matter. The Raiders’ needs are similar regardless.
If they go 3-4, they need a defensive lineman who can play 0-tech NT. If they go 4-3, they need a guy who can play 1-tech or 2-tech DT. Either way – a gap plugger who can hold up against the run in base formations.
If they go 3-4, they need a big-time playmaking OLB on the blind side who can make things happen behind the line of scrummage. If they go 4-3, they need a defensive end who can help seal the edge AND give the Raiders’ 4-man pass rush a boost. This way they can move Lamarr Houston to his natural position, which is 3-tech DT.
And either way, they need some help in the secondary.
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That Franklin guy would provide us with a NT, and Wimbley and Curry would both thrive in a system that sends them upfield every play.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Dennis Allen’s “bend but don’t break defense.”
SEE: Ryan, Rob.
How’s that been working of late?
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
YA,
Wimbley, McClain, Houston, Bryant all would be better suited for the 3-4.
Either way, I really hope we bring in a HC taht is a defense guy.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:47 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:34 am
Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 9:02 am
somewhere Dakota just threw a schuck of corn thru his television!
Somewhere in Oakland Method just threw his Crack Pipe, and some Popeyes Fried Chicken bones at his stolen TV.
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That is classic Mr. Tweedy. You are a funny guy.
You think Mr. And I are the same because Method is a typical Street Nigg a?
Real Talk Bruh Bruh iz ain’t no mr ya dig G
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I know you aint MR. People accuse me of the same sh*t. There are a lot of paranoid dudes on this blog.
Real talk da Pasty White cat mr dont even post here anymore real talk
Matter O fact I ran his h onkyness out this mug a couple days ago. All you Black house cats should b thanking me real talk real talk
Espesily that Method… Nig thinks HE is John Wayne.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I was dreaming that Chip Kelly turned down the Bucs because he got a better offer from the Raiders. A guy can dream…
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As a Ducks fan, NO. Kelly’s offense is tailor-made for the college game, and would be a Spurrier-level disaster in the NFL.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
And either way, they need some help in the secondary.
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I think the lst part of your post is right on. What the Raiders need is pass rush help, and a run stuffing ILB. And they are going to have to come the cheap FA or UDFA route. We have no other choice. A guy like Larry Grant from SF would be perfect. But most of all we really really really need pass rushers here on the edge. Look at the final four. That is something they all had. We didn’t. And it killed us.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Wimbley, McClain, Houston, Bryant all would be better suited for the 3-4.
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Wimbley basically disappeared after his rookie year in Cleveland’s 3-4.
McClain, agreed.
Houston’s natural position is 3-tech DT, but I think he’d be a good fit at 5-tech too.
Bryant could go either way, as well. In the 4-3 he can also fill in at LDE.
Regardless, the Raiders’ need to improve the same areas of their defense regardless of which base scheme they decide to run.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I disagree with not having game changing players.
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Who do the Raiders have who have contributed to the same level that Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, and Justin Smith have for the 49ers? I don’t see a single player on the roster who fits that bill.
Moore can be special, that’s for sure. It’ll be interesting to see what he does in 2012.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
89.RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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Not so fast with that. LOTS of coaches are gangbusters their first year and then flame out (see Mangini, Eric). Let’s see what Harbaugh does in Year Two before proclaiming him Bill Walsh 2.0.
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Im not preclaiming anyone anything. I just wanted to get the Lloyd Christmas reference in there.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:22 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Wimbley, McClain, Houston, Bryant all would be better suited for the 3-4.
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Wimbley basically disappeared after his rookie year in Cleveland’s 3-4.
McClain, agreed.
Houston’s natural position is 3-tech DT, but I think he’d be a good fit at 5-tech too.
Bryant could go either way, as well. In the 4-3 he can also fill in at LDE.
Regardless, the Raiders’ need to improve the same areas of their defense regardless of which base scheme they decide to run.
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Wimbley played his first 60 something games as a 3-4 OLB.
In the same amount of games he had like 15 more sacks then James Harrison.
Perspective.
Lamar Houston was a great 3-4 DE in college til Roy Miller left for the NFL and was moved inside. His natural position is in a 3-4.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The first 60 of their career is what that stat is based off.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:25 pm
110.YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I disagree with not having game changing players.
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Who do the Raiders have who have contributed to the same level that Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, and Justin Smith have for the 49ers? I don’t see a single player on the roster who fits that bill.
Moore can be special, that’s for sure. It’ll be interesting to see what he does in 2012.
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Moore,McFadden,Ford,Palmer,Reece,Curry and Sterling Moore…Oh Wait!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
A defensive coach does not mean you will have a good defensive team and vice versa for offense. Actually its usually the opposite.
That Said, Out of these coaches I would prefer Moss for headcoach, like his attitude and fire and I believe he can lead men, which I think is the most important quality. I believe he would hire a DC perhaps Perry the GB DB coach to call plays and run the D. I see Moss’s role as that like a Mike tomlin.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:27 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I disagree with not having game changing players.
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Who do the Raiders have who have contributed to the same level that Vernon Davis, Patrick Willis, and Justin Smith have for the 49ers?
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If Justin Smith was on our team, we would have gone to the 2nd round of the playoffs. They did a very solid job of picking up FA’s. How they got Dontae Whitner for nothing is beyond me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:29 pm
111.DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
89.RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:05 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Niners did it over night. In the words of the great Lloyd Christmas “So you’re saying there’s a chance!”
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Not so fast with that. LOTS of coaches are gangbusters their first year and then flame out (see Mangini, Eric). Let’s see what Harbaugh does in Year Two before proclaiming him Bill Walsh 2.0.
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Im not preclaiming anyone anything. I just wanted to get the Lloyd Christmas reference in there.
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LOL! I just saw that the other night for the 100th time.
Why don’t you eat up and we’ll tell ya!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Wimbley played his first 60 something games as a 3-4 OLB.
In the same amount of games he had like 15 more sacks then James Harrison.
Perspective.
Lamar Houston was a great 3-4 DE in college til Roy Miller left for the NFL and was moved inside. His natural position is in a 3-4.
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Wimbley had a great first season, and then virtually no impact after that. That was all in a 3-4. Can’t say that he’s a better fit for either scheme. Simply put, Wimbley has limitations no matter what the scheme is.
Houston only started 12 games at DE. He started 20 at DT, and had the most impact there. He can play both, for sure, but to say he’s better suited for a 3-4 is inaccurate.
Again, no matter what the scheme is, the Raiders need to improve similar areas of the team.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
117.
Stop resisting!!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Speaking of Whitner, didn’t we pass on him for the passive tackling Michael Huff.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Moore,McFadden,Ford,Palmer,Reece,Curry and Sterling Moore…Oh Wait!
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When McFadden is healthy for an entire season, then we can talk about him.
Ford’s receiving numbers are dwarfed by Davis’. Same with Moore’s at this point in his career.
Reece is a matchup nightmare, but more comparable to a role player like Delanie Walker than he is to any of the big-time impact players I mentioned above.
Curry has gaping holes in his game. Did you see Patrick Willis drop back into man coverage against Victor Cruz last night? Good luck asking Curry to do the same.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
DonManoukiansNeighbor Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
117.
Stop resisting!!!
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He’s resisting me!! Pills are good! awwwww man that movie never gets old!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I was dreaming that Chip Kelly turned down the Bucs because he got a better offer from the Raiders. A guy can dream…
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As a Ducks fan, NO. Kelly’s offense is tailor-made for the college game, and would be a Spurrier-level disaster in the NFL.
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As a Ducks fan the only team I would ever be ok with him going to would be Oakland. Also I think that Kelly’s offense can be adjusted for the NFL unlike Spurrier’s offense. I will remember this conversation when Chip Kelly is a successful coach in the NFL, hopefully you will too
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Wimbley played his first 60 something games as a 3-4 OLB.
In the same amount of games he had like 15 more sacks then James Harrison.
Perspective.
Lamar Houston was a great 3-4 DE in college til Roy Miller left for the NFL and was moved inside. His natural position is in a 3-4.
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Wimbley had a great first season, and then virtually no impact after that. That was all in a 3-4. Can’t say that he’s a better fit for either scheme. Simply put, Wimbley has limitations no matter what the scheme is.
Houston only started 12 games at DE. He started 20 at DT, and had the most impact there. He can play both, for sure, but to say he’s better suited for a 3-4 is inaccurate.
Again, no matter what the scheme is, the Raiders need to improve similar areas of the team.
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To say he’s better suited for a 4-3 would be inaccurate.
And more so than saying 3-4.
He played his entire college career as a 3-4 DE/NT
The point with Wimbley is he was given up on by the Browns. And it was the Browns man. Harrison struggled his first 4 years. Now Look.
That is all.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
McFadden cleared for practice today…almost.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
To say he’s better suited for a 4-3 would be inaccurate.
And more so than saying 3-4.
He played his entire college career as a 3-4 DE/NT
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No. He didn’t. Read what I said above. 12 games started at 3-4 DE. 20 games started (in his junior and senior season) at 4-3 DT.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
McFadden cleared for practice today…almost.
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….and Hue is gonna get the penalty problem fixed!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:40 pm
If anyone is watching the Senior Bowl practices, check out Mike Martin, NT from Michigan. Incredible leverage, explosive first step. More compact than undersized. Could be a good late-round investment as a rotational DT/NT.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Tampering ???
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/01/23/tampering-rules-apparently-should-have-prevented-raiders-interview-of-winston-moss/?
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Raiderdogg!!
Whats new man?
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:44 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
To say he’s better suited for a 4-3 would be inaccurate.
And more so than saying 3-4.
He played his entire college career as a 3-4 DE/NT
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No. He didn’t. Read what I said above. 12 games started at 3-4 DE. 20 games started (in his junior and senior season) at 4-3 DT.
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Misread what you wrote.
All in all. He’s a go for either formation.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Raider-in-PA Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:38 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
McFadden cleared for practice today…almost.
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….and Hue is gonna get the penalty problem fixed!
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haha. Hey, we shouldn’t laugh. At least Hue built a bully.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
121.YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Moore,McFadden,Ford,Palmer,Reece,Curry and Sterling Moore…Oh Wait!
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When McFadden is healthy for an entire season, then we can talk about him.
Ford’s receiving numbers are dwarfed by Davis’. Same with Moore’s at this point in his career.
Reece is a matchup nightmare, but more comparable to a role player like Delanie Walker than he is to any of the big-time impact players I mentioned above.
Curry has gaping holes in his game. Did you see Patrick Willis drop back into man coverage against Victor Cruz last night? Good luck asking Curry to do the same.
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McFadden we can agree is a beast when on the field.
Ford was hurt. I think he can be our Wes Welker with the right QB.
Reese we can agree.
Curry I like the way he flys around and makes plays. He needs to grow but he broke up alot of screens and made plays.
I think we have good players. Mostly on O. But fill some spots and we will be ok.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
At least Hue built a bully.
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Was the bully actually Hue’s ego?? In that case the passing of Al, built a bully!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Man, Mike Martin is DESTROYING the big-time C from Ohio State, Brewster.
Martin is 6′1 305. Not a true 0-tech NT, perhaps, but could be a GREAT fit as a 1-tech in a 4-3, or as a rotational guy in either scheme.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
124. Wimbley was “miscast” in a 3-4. Better 4-3 pass rush DE but one trick pony.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Here’s the link covering the trade of Gruden and the draft since. Jacoby Ford is technically a product of the trade!
Some sorry as drafting and trades have gone down in the past decade. Al why didn’t you just hire a GM? Oh yeah, you didn’t trust anyone!
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
ooops, here it is:
http://www.sbreport.net/the-raiders-research-project/raiders-trades
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
one trick pony.
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That’s the biggest problem with Wimbley. He’s a very good pass rusher, but doesn’t do much else well. And outside of that shoulder dip move, he really doesn’t have a whole lot in the toolbox to help him beat offensive tackles. Unless, of course, he’s playing Brandyn Dombrowski all season long.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Man, Mike Martin is DESTROYING the big-time C from Ohio State, Brewster.
Martin is 6′1 305. Not a true 0-tech NT, perhaps, but could be a GREAT fit as a 1-tech in a 4-3, or as a rotational guy in either scheme.
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Arguably the best 0 tech is Jay Ratliff in Dallas. He’s not that big, just very athletic.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Wimbley is paid $11 million. He is paid about $1 million less than Demarcus Ware.
Look, these top paid talent owe Al Davis. Al trusted these guys and sometimes you just gotta make a play.
The fact that the Raiders have 5 players getting big time dollars on defense alone is ridiculous. Those five players should have made a play in those losses….should have led their teammates….again, check cashers.
And how much is Curry due next year?
If I am the Raiders, I will just take the cap hit this year and move on. Can’t do any worse than what these losers did this year.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
A defensive coach like Moss might mesh well with our competent offense. Let Saunders and Plamer run the offense while Moss schemes the defense and plans the overall gmae-plan and down-distance stuff
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“one trick pony.
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That’s the biggest problem with Wimbley. He’s a very good pass rusher, but doesn’t do much else well. And outside of that shoulder dip move, he really doesn’t have a whole lot in the toolbox to help him beat offensive tackles. Unless, of course, he’s playing Brandyn Dombrowski all season long.”
So true and we pay that one trick pony like he is Julius Peppers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Where did people find out that the Moss interview “was not going good?”
Link?
January 23rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Seymour Bush
Was it so amusing yesterday reading old brownstains retarded logic proclaiming that a Special Teams coach could never be a head coach.
Then when I showed him that John Harbaugh was a Special Teams coach for 9 years in Philadelphia he thought I was talking about Jim Harbaugh because the uneducated little man didn’t even know the difference between the Harbaugh brothers!
He was like….Jim Came from Stanford blah blah
I am still LMAO at how stupid that guy really is!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Arguably the best 0 tech is Jay Ratliff in Dallas. He’s not that big, just very athletic.
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And Jay Ratliff IMO is the exact same player (size, body type, etc) as Tommy Kelly.
Tall, lean and powerful at the point of attack. Hard to move even though he doesnt weight 350 like a compact, rotund Wilfork type.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
139. Brilliant trade by Davis but sh*t picks that failed to pan ruined the plan.
Gruden came in with Allen and ran a George Allen “Over the Hill gang” strategy with older veteran players running the show.
When those older players inevitably crapped out most teams would’ve been mortgaged and without picks to replace the oldsters.
Davis scammed Tampa into taking Gruden in a deal that soon became illegal and neve rto be seen again but it came back to bite his azz in the worst way possible thanks to Callahan.
Brilliant move that should’ve panned and failed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
145. NFLN Jason LaCanfora reported it according to RNS
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
And Jay Ratliff IMO is the exact same player (size, body type, etc) as Tommy Kelly.
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You realize there’s a lot more to a player than size and body type, right?
Ratliff is an exception to the rule because, even though he’s tall and light, he’s VERY effective at gaining leverage, and using his strength to occupy multiple blockers.
Those are not skills Tommy Kelly has. Tommy Kelly can shed blockers, but he’s not adept at taking on multiple blockers and clogging running lanes, nor is he intelligent enough to maintain gap discipline.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
While Chucky B and Al Davis catch a lot of flak for this defense….and rightfully so.
Let’s remember those raggedy overpaid check cashers that couldn’t find the internal strength to make a play on those 95+ yard drives near the end of the season.
Their inability to just play good gap defense…tackle..the fundamentals that any $10+ million player should be able to do.
To get outclassed by Sterling Moore? Routt should give money back just for that.
Get some new players on defense….and take the cap hit today to start fresh next year.
Clean house Reggie!
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SnB = always the voice of reason
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:05 pm
We don’t have to have a defensive minded head coach. That is not going to fix tackling and bad angles. We have defensive coaches on he staff every year. What we need is some FOOTBALL PLAYERS. Not the height, speed, strength guys that was coveted here before.
Dennis Allen, “We’re going to be built off of speed and athleticism. We want to be a very fast, violent, aggressive type of defense. I firmly believe that defensive football is not nearly as much about X’s and O’s as it is about the way you play the game, the culture of your defense. I think if you look at where i’ve been in the past, speed and athleticism and aggressive football players is the type of thing we’re looking for.”
This scares me. His defense in Denver and the one he was a part of in Orleans didn’t make me shake in my boots. We can do better!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Not taking advantage of those draft picks really hurt this team.
Building through the draft is the only way to build a team that will last…
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:08 pm
I know most people on here don’t like Hue, you have to admit he was a good OC. Surprised he’s not getting much run for an OC job yet. I do think he would do a good job with the Steelers Offense, they have some playmakers over there, some similar to ours. Maybe his whole power trip at the end of the season has Headcoaches worried.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
I Would agree with the lack of gap discipline part.
However I do think there is something to the idea that Raider players in general have had trouble with this issue for 9 years running.
It is curious to me that they dont improve year in and year out in that regard.
I would be interested to see our players with a different voice in their ears telling them what is important on defense.
It seems Raider defensive linemen have sold out to get to the QB at all costs for years and thus we are suseptable to the delayed runs and screens, etc.
Maybe if Kelly were asked to maintain gaps as his job description instead of seeling out to get to the QB, we would have different results all these years.
Just a thought…
Because it’s not only Kelly with this problem, and it seems to span multiple regimes of coordinators and players…
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Allen’s defense in Denver was pretty spectacular, all things considered. Lower-tier players on the defensive line and in the secondary. Miller, Dumervil, and Bailey are really the only pieces Allen had to work with. Still managed a very impressive streak of eliminating opposing offenses from the equation, giving Tebow a chance to put up 10 points and still win games.
In New Orleans when he was the secondary coach, he was part of a defense that led the league in turnovers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Because it’s not only Kelly with this problem, and it seems to span multiple regimes of coordinators and players…
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This is very true.
Personally, I’ve had enough of seeing running backs lead the entire defense out of position, and then with one quick cutback they’re 20 yards upfield with not a single defensive player anywhere near them.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Sorry,
These guys on defense are junk. we hear every year the same ole stuff about gap discipline, doing ones job, playing fast…all the while cashing $10M+ checks.
These guys have been around for 5 years…TK, Huff, Routt….they have met their ceiling.
Wimbley and Seymour are just playing out the string.
The Raiders pay these guys as much as players like Ed Reed, Demarcus Ware, Ray Lewis and Vince Wilfork.
They are NO WHERE CLOSE TO THAT LEVEL OF PLAY…cause the Raider guys have no heart.
Get me some young, high motor guys willing to learn and start over.
The offensive line needs to be rebuilt too.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO! NO! NO!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Anybody remember why Ted Washington attacked Tommy Kelly on the sideline during a game?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
seems as Becker expects Corkran to be sobered up by noon tomorrow.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:17 pm
This is very true.
Personally, I’ve had enough of seeing running backs lead the entire defense out of position, and then with one quick cutback they’re 20 yards upfield with not a single defensive player anywhere near them.
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Exactly.
No matter the coaches, no matter the players.
Same results.
Year in and year out.
One cutback and no one there to touch the running back for 25 yards, then its a footrace.
Twice per game, lol.
Need a change in philosophy at this point.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
148.FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
139. Brilliant trade by Davis but sh*t picks that failed to pan ruined the plan.
Gruden came in with Allen and ran a George Allen “Over the Hill gang” strategy with older veteran players running the show.
When those older players inevitably crapped out most teams would’ve been mortgaged and without picks to replace the oldsters.
Davis scammed Tampa into taking Gruden in a deal that soon became illegal and neve rto be seen again but it came back to bite his azz in the worst way possible thanks to Callahan.
Brilliant move that should’ve panned and failed.
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It was a great trade but unfortunately tampa made it to the dance and Al didn’t pick any good players.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Romanowski as HC, we need boar hunters!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
We need guys that wrap and tackle like Willis in open space.
Not the grab, grab, grab we see from these delicate, soft-touch Raiders
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
156.YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Allen’s defense in Denver was pretty spectacular, all things considered. Lower-tier players on the defensive line and in the secondary. Miller, Dumervil, and Bailey are really the only pieces Allen had to work with. Still managed a very impressive streak of eliminating opposing offenses from the equation, giving Tebow a chance to put up 10 points and still win games.
In New Orleans when he was the secondary coach, he was part of a defense that led the league in turnovers.
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They had average corners in NO as well. That safety (from the vikings) was a stud but that was it. Also Malcom Jenkins wasn’t the same player this year as he was his first 2, coincidence? I doubt it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
164.RIPAL Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Romanowski as HC, we need boar hunters!!
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He’s probably in tears over the 9er loss.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:22 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Sorry,
These guys on defense are junk. we hear every year the same ole stuff about gap discipline, doing ones job, playing fast…all the while cashing $10M+ checks.
These guys have been around for 5 years…TK, Huff, Routt….they have met their ceiling.
Wimbley and Seymour are just playing out the string.
The Raiders pay these guys as much as players like Ed Reed, Demarcus Ware, Ray Lewis and Vince Wilfork.
They are NO WHERE CLOSE TO THAT LEVEL OF PLAY…cause the Raider guys have no heart.
Get me some young, high motor guys willing to learn and start over.
The offensive line needs to be rebuilt too.
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Agreed about the D side.
To many $$$$ without production.
We need 3/5ths of the O line addressed.
From within Barksdale, Campbell, or elsewhere.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:25 pm
By the way, I’m sick and tired of hearing about gap discipline.
It should be a non issue for professionals.
Do your F..ing job or be gone. Fuuuuuk!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mr and Mrs Jack Harbaugh, to ease some their sons’ pain, have offered free one way tickets for Billy Cundiff and Kyle Williams to visit a beachside resort just outside Mogadishu, Somalia. Said Jack Harbaugh, “it is a perfect getaway for Billy and Kyle”.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
It should be a non issue for professionals.
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You would think so. But here we are.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
164.RIPAL Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Romanowski as HC, we need boar hunters!!
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He’s probably in tears over the 9er loss.
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He would be a better candidate than Tice or Allen. Romo has geat passion for the game
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RaiderLen,
Those high paid guys aren’t rooks or youngsters…there is no upside.
Raider fans want to believe in these guys because they are our guys. The hopes and dreams of next year….but it ain’t so with these guys.
Like Hue Jackson, we would find that these guys on the free agent market would attract half of what this team is paying out.
Take the cap hit and go big in 2013
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Damn work! Can’t keep up on the blog!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:29 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Mr and Mrs Jack Harbaugh, to ease some their sons’ pain, have offered free one way tickets for Billy Cundiff and Kyle Williams to visit a beachside resort just outside Mogadishu, Somalia. Said Jack Harbaugh, “it is a perfect getaway for Billy and Kyle”.
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LOL
Only Lonetree comes up with this. LOL
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
They are NO WHERE CLOSE TO THAT LEVEL OF PLAY…cause the Raider guys have no heart.
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When fans say this, it drives me up a wall.
Watch the games.
I dont see these guys fail because they dont want to succeed.
I FULLY disagree with this statement.
Football is X’s and O’s. These are the best of the best. Our defense consistently gets outsmarted, outflanked, outschemed. Not for lack of trying.
When I see Raider defenders fail, I look at why they fail, not whether their heart is in it.
That is such scapegoat, poor reasoning.
Look at it objectively, and not with your heart.
These guys arent trying to fail, or collecting paychecks.
I mean, dont they say the minute you’re out there and your head isnt in the game is the minute your career ends because you’ll get injured?
They’re trying when they’re out there.
We need defensive coaching. Not effort. They play with effort.
Just Weak…
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
It should be a non issue for professionals.
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You would think so. But here we are.
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F….ing A
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
When did Hue Jacksons word become credible again?..
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:27 pm
RaiderLen,
Those high paid guys aren’t rooks or youngsters…there is no upside.
Raider fans want to believe in these guys because they are our guys. The hopes and dreams of next year….but it ain’t so with these guys.
Like Hue Jackson, we would find that these guys on the free agent market would attract half of what this team is paying out.
Take the cap hit and go big in 2013
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I’ll leave the roster gymnastics to Reggie, but I’m down with any plan that rids us of overpaid losers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
I like Morningweg as the next head coach?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“Damn work! Can’t keep up on the blog!”
I am having one of those days as well.
Dakota whats the name of that city where all the pipeline work is in ND?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Williston ND
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:50 am
Im all for Morningweg. But this guy Dennis Allen seems good too. At least now if Dennis gets hired, the person introducing him wont announce him as Dave, the next head coach of the Raiders.
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If Allen was that good, don’t you think the Broncos woulda made him head coach before Fox? Rotten deal when we had a HC and dump him. And since Davis fired him, people be haters on him.
Times awaistin. Just sign anybody, BFD
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
“RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:30 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
It should be a non issue for professionals.
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You would think so. But here we are.
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F….ing A”
I am one who has sat here and complained about sloppy tackling and gap assignment all year long.
One would think that after 17 weeks of practice this should be shored up.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
181.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“Damn work! Can’t keep up on the blog!”
I am having one of those days as well.
Dakota whats the name of that city where all the pipeline work is in ND?
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But be cautious….hear a 1 bedroom apartment in Williston is renting for $2,800 a month and a 2 bedroom is renting for $3,400 a month.
McDonalds is paying $15 an hour with full health care benefits in Williston though….
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Slim, youre wrong, Hue was not a good coach,…hes not even a bad head coach,…hes an asst coach at best. Maybe best suited to drive the team bus. And the reason Denver chose Fox over a young upcoming star like Dennis Allen is because John Elway has had brain damage the last ten years.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
3-5 at home.
I’d have to say that the fans filling the Coliseum are to blame.
How else to explain a 5-3 road record.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Thanks Dakota my brother is into construction he asked me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I am one who has sat here and complained about sloppy tackling and gap assignment all year long.
One would think that after 17 weeks of practice this should be shored up.
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Chucky B isn’t the sharpest knife in the drawer, but there where many blown assignments,and tackles, that’s on the players.
Scheme and player discipline are both issues that have to be addressed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Playing at home or on the road is really nothing, those players tune out everything…most of them didnt attend class in college, likely dont even know if they are at home or on the road.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Most of these candidates suck. Morningweg is a loser. Capers a never was. Interviewing a Donkey? Come on, we can do much better!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
666 here is a link to some info:
http://www.dailymarkets.com/economy/2012/01/23/bakken-oil-is-having-major-impact-on-western-nd/
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Most of these candidates suck. Morningweg is a loser. Capers a never was. Interviewing a Donkey? Come on, we can do much better!
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OK, so who would you prefer? Names, please.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
EXLA,…instead of griping now, why not wait til one gets hired to pee and moan about it?….grow a pain man.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Daraider09,
You are the one going with your heart. Davis may have hired undermanned coaches, but they are NFL coaches nontheless.
Those guys don’t make plays man.
Its easy to blame Al Davis and just say the coaches are junk….
I will bet that if those guys on the defense were put on the open market, those salaries come down by more than half and a few of them are role players…like Money Warren in New England….not full on starters expected to be difference makers.
Wimbley is a nickle rusher…TK is a depth guy….Seymour is past his prime….
Raiders overrate these guys…go young and get the cap space freed up. They have taken you as far as they can go
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:45 pm
UNder the weather so signing off. Enjoy the day Nation and as always, “Go Raiders!”
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Remember, the only reason that Gruden left was that Al Davis promised him control over the coaches in the contract extention and when he met with his agent and they went over the contract over dinner before signing it, that clause had disappeared. Gruden was pi$$ed and wanted nothing else to do with Coach Davis.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Ya ok EXLA like you were in the room. Lol
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I really think Chucky and McKenzie would make a great team and his reserved parking space is still available at Ricky’s.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO to LA Raiders, A vote NO for the LA raiders is a vote for THE OAKLAND Raiders
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I really think Chucky and McKenzie would make a great team and his reserved parking space is still available at Ricky’s.
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In other words, you don’t have any better names than those already floated. If you can’t say anything nice…
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
cfrylopez Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO to LA Raiders, A vote NO for the LA raiders is a vote for THE OAKLAND Raiders
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Enough spam already. Besides, we already voted YES.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Whomever is hired as our new head coach, and the subsequent hiring of assistants, will give us a better idea as to whom will stay or go on the roster.
And who might be targeted in FA.
YA, you got notes ready?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Most of these candidates suck. Morningweg is a loser. Capers a never was. Interviewing a Donkey? Come on, we can do much better!
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Exla,
then you should be pleased about Carmichael, Bowles, Tice & Moss!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Interesting…Lacnfora says the Moss interview did not go well…I wonder how?
I guess Moss was not Reg-Mac’s guy?
OR is this all Davis-esque subterfuge?!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
cfrylopez Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:52 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO to LA Raiders, A vote NO for the LA raiders is a vote for THE OAKLAND Raiders
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Enough spam already. Besides, we already voted YES.
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Must work for the City of Oakland.
LOL
Get back to work….er…go take your mandated break.
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
if we did tamper with Winston Moss, what would they take from us?
a 5th rounder?
I assume comp picks can’t be stripped if they can’t be traded. Right?
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
“Rich Gannon said on Sirius NFL Radio that he believes the Oakland job is the one job that could pull Jon Gruden from the broadcasting booth. He also stated that Madden has a great relationship with Jon Gruden and could be the one to get him to come back to Oakland.”
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Interesting…Lacnfora says the Moss interview did not go well…I wonder how?
I guess Moss was not Reg-Mac’s guy?
OR is this all Davis-esque subterfuge?!!
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The horses mouth, Reggie…and I quote…”Far from the Truth”
LaConfora, the horses ass, was doing what he does…grasp at his dinner…er…straws…….
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
“Rich Gannon said on Sirius NFL Radio that he believes the Oakland job is the one job that could pull Jon Gruden from the broadcasting booth. He also stated that Madden has a great relationship with Jon Gruden and could be the one to get him to come back to Oakland.”
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Name one coach in NFL history who returned to his former team and led them to the Super Bowl. Just one.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
“Rich Gannon said on Sirius NFL Radio that he believes the Oakland job is the one job that could pull Jon Gruden from the broadcasting booth. He also stated that Madden has a great relationship with Jon Gruden and could be the one to get him to come back to Oakland.”
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is Rich gonna come and be QB Coach?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams:
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So all these Raider PLAYERS are to blame, yet it’s been an epidemic for 10 straight years and it took hall of fame calibur players to make our defense play somewhat respectable (2000-2002), still not great. Every other season it’s been the same song year in and out: lack of gap discipline, lack of tackling, play fakes completely baffling our defenses, giving up that one or two big plays per game that beats you.
Always the same characteristics of the Raider defenses and yet ONE thing has been in common all this time: Al Davis is the defensive coordinator.
But what you’re saying is, we’ve just been so stupid that we consistently nab bad, talentless players to man our defense every single year and stick with talentless (depth) players like Tommy Kelly for too long?
Wow…
Thats all I have to say.
And by the way, the reason former Raider players go on the market and make less is because they have such low production and numbers in Davis’ defense all these years. They cant inflate their numbers in a contract year like they could on most every other team in the NFL.
I mean, Charles Woodson consistently had under 4 INTs per season with us. Usually it was about 1 or 2 per season. Same with Nnamdi.
Are you saying they werent good when they played for us and once they left they became good?
My point is and has been the same for many years now:
Lets put these guys in position to succeed. Kinda like Harbaugh this season.
Werent Donte Whitner and Carlos Rodgers pretty much first round busts for their careers in Buffalo and Washington? Well put them in a system that fits them and all of a sudden they thrive. All of a sudden they are in position to make big hits and INTs every week?
Good coaching wins championships and breeds consistency, espically on defense, which we’ve lack forever.
I’d love to see what the “nickel rusher” Kam Wimbley would do in a defense like Pittsburg’s at OLB…I think the results would be slightly different than the handful of sacks he gave us this year, and poor attempts to cover antonio gates and wide receivers.
Wimbley is a pass rusher, not a SLB in a 4-3, with so much coverage responsibilities.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
ANY coach we hire has got to better than Hue at post-game pressers!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
210.RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:58 pm
“Rich Gannon said on Sirius NFL Radio that he believes the Oakland job is the one job that could pull Jon Gruden from the broadcasting booth. He also stated that Madden has a great relationship with Jon Gruden and could be the one to get him to come back to Oakland.”
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Name one coach in NFL history who returned to his former team and led them to the Super Bowl. Just one.
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Art Shell took us to the bowl is second time out. Oh wait, that was a different bowl. Sorry.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
95.6% on a Bleacher Report Poll of over 2100 wanted Chucky back.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:06 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Interesting…Lacnfora says the Moss interview did not go well…I wonder how?
I guess Moss was not Reg-Mac’s guy?
OR is this all Davis-esque subterfuge?!!
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The horses mouth, Reggie…and I quote…”Far from the Truth”
LaConfora, the horses ass, was doing what he does…grasp at his dinner…er…straws…….
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Ah Just the talking heads trying to create their own news then. Strange thing to make up tho.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:07 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:01 pm
ANY coach we hire has got to better than Hue at post-game pressers!
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Well except Jim Mora/Dennis Green!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I would love for Gruden to come back and coach the Raiders.
Palmer is a QB Gruden could work with. As perfect as Gannon? No, but way better than anything he had in Tampon Bay.
$7 million a year would do the trick.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
One year probation period for Wimbley at DE…no more scholarships.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
95.6% on a Bleacher Report Poll of over 2100 wanted Chucky back.
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Hey, if Reggie wants Gruden and the feeling is mutual.
Fine. Mark can write the check.
Then Reggie controls player personnel, and Gruden has to get his ass out of the dink and dunk mindset.
It WOULD sell tickets…but it ain’t happening.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
NEW POLL: WHAT WAS WORSE?
A) “Playoffs?!”
B) “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!”
C) The HUE JAX POWER-MANIA rant
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Ah Just the talking heads trying to create their own news then. Strange thing to make up tho.
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Probably because Moss wasn’t hired on the spot, so let the speculation begin.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Daraider09,
The Raiders didn’t hire coaches that were not NFL caliber coaches. They were good enough to teach the fundamentals.
These guys are getting older now too. These guys are supposed to be in the prime and they can’t stay onsides, or cover their man without mauling him.
I admire your patience with these guys.
I personally believe a house cleaning is in order…a fresh start.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
…..Terrell Owens, the former NFL star receiver who has signed to play for and co-own an indoor football team, is friendless and nearly broke, he told GQ magazine. “I’m in hell,” Owens, 38, said he tells people who ask about his well-being.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/former_dallas_cowboys_standout_terrell_owens_im_in_hell/9496145
Dude made nearly $80 million and now he is nearly broke?
Okay guys, we better get a collection together for poor T.O.!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
NEW POLL: WHAT WAS WORSE?
A) “Playoffs?!”
B) “THEY ARE WHO WE THOUGHT THEY WERE!”
C) The HUE JAX POWER-MANIA rant
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C was worst!
Why? Hue sat up here in week 6 talking super bowl…and moving fast to get Palmer to win now.
Then he backtracks and talks about how he knew the defense was garbage in week 2.
He also should have been as fired up about fixing everything during the season as he was at the end of it
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I would love for Gruden to come back and coach the Raiders.
Palmer is a QB Gruden could work with. As perfect as Gannon? No, but way better than anything he had in Tampon Bay.
$7 million a year would do the trick.
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$7 mil would get it done.
Palmer is the best thing Gruden would have since Gannon. No Doubt.
But….Reggie has to control the flow of talent and think long term success, as opposed to the “G Allen” approach.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
224.Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
…..Terrell Owens, the former NFL star receiver who has signed to play for and co-own an indoor football team, is friendless and nearly broke, he told GQ magazine. “I’m in hell,” Owens, 38, said he tells people who ask about his well-being.
http://network.yardbarker.com/nfl/article_external/former_dallas_cowboys_standout_terrell_owens_im_in_hell/9496145
Dude made nearly $80 million and now he is nearly broke?
Okay guys, we better get a collection together for poor T.O.!
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Hard to believe. Put him on scholership.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
new names to add to the long / short list:
P Fewell (gonna havta wait)
V Fangio
C Pagano
you heard it here.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Okay guys, we better get a collection together for poor T.O.!
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Fuuuuuuuk………..TO
Dude will get exactly what’s coming to Him.
Selfish Prck.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:18 pm
226.RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I would love for Gruden to come back and coach the Raiders.
Palmer is a QB Gruden could work with. As perfect as Gannon? No, but way better than anything he had in Tampon Bay.
$7 million a year would do the trick.
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$7 mil would get it done.
Palmer is the best thing Gruden would have since Gannon. No Doubt.
But….Reggie has to control the flow of talent and think long term success, as opposed to the “G Allen” approach.
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As long as Gruden knows the GM will not be selecting a kicker in round 1, he would probably be okay with just having input on personnel, as opposed to complete control.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Lmao at 214
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:20 pm
As long as Gruden knows the GM will not be selecting a kicker in round 1, he would probably be okay with just having input on personnel, as opposed to complete control.
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LOL……..True
But, Jano is still productive.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Cut Stan Routt and Hire Gruden.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Never in history has a man’s personality held back his amazing physical talents like terrell owens.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Never in history has a man’s personality held back his amazing physical talents like terrell owens.
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Dude is a frustrated individual.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The team could make a small fortune on T-shirts with a Chuckie doll grinning mischievously with a Raider eye patch on 1 eye and the words Chuckie’s Back! Or Hee’s Baa-aack!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Dakota,
Gasoft not happy with Brown????
“I would like to get a little more inside, myself,” Gasol said. “I always like to have different looks and be able to attack from different angles. The second half I didn’t have one chance to attack from the post, so I was more of a facilitator. I got two jumpers, open, that I missed, and that was all the opportunities that I had.”
“A little too many jumpers for my taste,” Gasol said. “I’d like to get a couple more looks inside the paint. That’ll increase the [shooting] percentage.”
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
#234 – that is until Jamarcus showed up
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
I think 5.5 million would get Gruden to come back here actually.
I would pay it in a hearbeat.
The money made from the HUGE Marketing boost and from the SIGNIFICANT increase of Season Ticket sales would pay for Grudens salary alone!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The team could make a small fortune on T-shirts with a Chuckie doll grinning mischievously with a Raider eye patch on 1 eye and the words Chuckie’s Back! Or Hee’s Baa-aack!
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A Gruden hiring would be “box office” initially, far beyond any other hire.
But if the team doesn’t win, the shine would soon corrode.
Winning makes everything better, brighter, and more tasty.
Even schlubs like Tice would be a Rockstar if he coached this team to a playoff, and eventual SB victory.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Jhill,
Other than you, Kobe and Jim Buss, is anyone happy with coach Brown?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
#234 – that is until Jamarcus showed up
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!@#$%!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:31 pm
The Big Banana Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
#234 – that is until Jamarcus showed up
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!@#$%!
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The Jamarcu changed everything
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
T.O. is going to the HOF. Too bad he didn’t save his money and will have to auction off his HOF jacket for rent.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:33 pm
236.The Big Banana Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The team could make a small fortune on T-shirts with a Chuckie doll grinning mischievously with a Raider eye patch on 1 eye and the words Chuckie’s Back! Or Hee’s Baa-aack!
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Exactly.
The Raiders would make a crap load of money when it comes to the Sales and Marketing aspect AND Season Ticket Sales would shoot through the roof of Jon Chucky Gruden came back to lead the Raiders!
If Davis is taking advice from Madden and Wolf, then him and McK should also take lean on them to get Gruden back!
Gruden is still close to Madden and Wolf! Gruden came up in the Green Bay organization under Wolf, McK and Holmgren!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
On top of it all…Gruden is a freakin WINNER!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
I want Jon Gruden back with the Raiders.
I want Phil Jackson back with the Lakers.
I want Don Zimmer and Harry Caray back with the Cubs.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Jhill,
Other than you, Kobe and Jim Buss, is anyone happy with coach Brown?
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I used to like the Lakers.
I had just started following basketball.
Wilt Chamberlain was their Center.
Now I’m a frustrated Warrior follower.
World B Free, JB Carrol…etc
I do have fond memories of The Rick Barry championship season, with Bill King on the mic.
F…ing 100 yrs ago.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Dakota, get yo popcorn ready!
http://www.allenwranglers.com/
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
From a business, sales and marketing AND Football aspect, it makes sense for the Raiders to hire Gruden as the head coach again!
It’s actually a no brainer, but Mark Davis is going to be CHEAP like his old man when it comes to paying good LEGIT head coaches.
Ridiculous.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
249.Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Dakota, get yo popcorn ready!
http://www.allenwranglers.com/
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For a guy like TO, that has to be a hard pill to swallow. He must really need a paycheck.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
On top of it all…Gruden is a freakin WINNER!
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.539 winning %
3 seasons below .500
8 seasons over.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:41 pm
8 seasons .500 or better.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Only guy who blew through more assets in shorter time than T.O.?
Al Davis….wasted $8 million bucks, 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders from the Gruden trade. How can you fk a deal like that up?
Damn.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
From a business, sales and marketing AND Football aspect, it makes sense for the Raiders to hire Gruden as the head coach again!
It’s actually a no brainer, but Mark Davis is going to be CHEAP like his old man when it comes to paying good LEGIT head coaches.
Ridiculous.
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How do you know Mark will be cheap?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
250.DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:39 pm
From a business, sales and marketing AND Football aspect, it makes sense for the Raiders to hire Gruden as the head coach again!
It’s actually a no brainer, but Mark Davis is going to be CHEAP like his old man when it comes to paying good LEGIT head coaches.
Ridiculous.
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This whole search really has me scratching my head. I thought, after the Moss comments attributed to Reggie, we would interview several coaches and hire Moss. It would appear that we did our homework and start with hiriing assistants. Now, I don’t know what to think. We seem to be all over the board.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
It’s actually a no brainer, but Mark Davis is going to be CHEAP like his old man when it comes to paying good LEGIT head coaches.
Ridiculous.
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One, How do you know this? Second, Davis was cheap b/c he thought he made all the coaches decisions for them.(See Bellicheat Interview about Al Davis). Unless you have some inside info on Mark Davis, sounds like B.S….
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Made the Raiders a competitor and brought them back to respectability and you people forget the most important thing with Gruden…
He has a SUPER BOWL RING!!
And you guys want someone like Marty Morningwheg, Mike Tice or Dom Capers to be the next head coach over Gruden?? Oy vey!
LOL!!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
“If we’re so able to vividly remember the worst a man did, can’t we also remember the best?”
-This was the final line of Rick Reilly’s write up about Joe Paterno. It’s funny because he did that for Al Davis but in the opposite order.
He named one of Al’s accomplishments and then came up with something negative to go along with it.
Screw Rick Reilly.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
McKenzie is hired, hints toward hiring Winston Moss soon. Winston Moss hints that he wants to be in Oakland. Suddenly, a circus of interviews with retread bums. Is McKenzie even a real GM? Or is he just there to take heat for our actual GM, Mark Davis?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:47 pm
I’m narrowing my choice as to who should be hired as the next HC.I just read whoever DK wants and eliminate that candidate.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Reilly’s another short sighted sports writer. The problem with his concept of remembering the positive things about a person with questionable moral character like Paterno is that you can do that with anyone. We can remember Osama Bin Laden for the positive things, too. He was an ally of our against the Soviet Union. Can’t have it both ways.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
260.Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
McKenzie is hired, hints toward hiring Winston Moss soon. Winston Moss hints that he wants to be in Oakland. Suddenly, a circus of interviews with retread bums. Is McKenzie even a real GM? Or is he just there to take heat for our actual GM, Mark Davis?
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Weird huh? And here I thought the weirdness around Raider Land would end with McK onboard. haha
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
GRUDEN GRUDEN GRUDEN
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Gruden…? Stop living in the past….Maybe we can get Vince Lambardi to come back and coach us…ps who cares what you think!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Sales and Marketing numbers and Season Ticket Sales would shoot through the roof with Gruden returning and he would bring the Raiders back to the playoffs!
He made the Raiders a competitor and brought them back to respectability and you people forget the most important thing with Gruden.
He has a SUPER BOWL RING!!
And some of you clowns want someone like Marty Morningwheg, Mike Tice or Dom Capers to be the next head coach over Gruden?? Oy vey! Go figure!
LMAO!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
T.O. is going to the HOF. Too bad he didn’t save his money and will have to auction off his HOF jacket for rent.
………
Do you watch his reality show? One of those two women that supposedly manages him expresses shock that he’s broke, citing that he has a visa black card. She doesn’t understand how someone can be broke when they have a credit card. This is one of his managers! Those two women are dumber than sin. The problem with T.O. is like with a lot of young players today, he never truly had anyone with brains looking out for him.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
GRUDEN HAS NO INTEREST IN COACHING FOOTBALL!!!
Do you think he missess waking up at 4am and putting in 15 hours everyday to coach? You think he wants to give up working one day a week broadcasting a game in primetime and watching or reading about football the rest of the week at his convenience all while making the same money.
Take a look at Grudens coaching record and I bet you in 20 years from now it’ll be the same. THE END!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
265.SharkCatcher Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Gruden…? Stop living in the past….Maybe we can get Vince Lambardi to come back and coach us…ps who cares what you think!
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Stop living in the past??
Do you realize some clowns in here want losers from the past like Morningwheg, Tice and Capers to be the next Raiders head coach?? WTF?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I’m starting to lean toward the gloom reality that McKenzie is nothing more than a sock puppet GM that’s there to take the heat for other people’s decisions, guys. Give me a reason to believe otherwise.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
267.Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
T.O. is going to the HOF. Too bad he didn’t save his money and will have to auction off his HOF jacket for rent.
………
Do you watch his reality show? One of those two women that supposedly manages him expresses shock that he’s broke, citing that he has a visa black card. She doesn’t understand how someone can be broke when they have a credit card. This is one of his managers! Those two women are dumber than sin. The problem with T.O. is like with a lot of young players today, he never truly had anyone with brains looking out for him.
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Including himself.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I thought the dumb female manager said ” he has ten million reasons not to kill himself”
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Get ready for Marty Morningwheg as the next Raiders head coach!
Are you clowns pumped?? hahaha
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
T.O has a reality show? I know there are a thousand garbage shows on the idiot box, but that has to be the worst, right?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
How about John Gruden as HC
AND
BILL WALSH AS OC!
YES, can you imagine the ticket sales.
A little Vodoo and a shovel and bam=SUPERBOWL!
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Lol. Gruden fear strikes again. Why are some of you so afraid of discussing him? Does discussing our most successful head coach of the post free agency era really disturb you that much?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Can’t blame Gruden for staying in the broadcast booth.
Already won his ring, gets paid more than many NFL HCs with about 1/10th the workload, gets plenty of face time on T.V., gets to do all those cheesy QB draft appearances on ESPN.
He is probably loving life right now.
But if he has any competitive spirit left in him…..what better story would there be than to twice save the Oakland Raiders from Al’s dreadful hands?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I’m thinking Reggie fired Hue because it “felt” like the right thing to do. Well, we know what happens when you make decisions like a woman.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
270.Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I’m starting to lean toward the gloom reality that McKenzie is nothing more than a sock puppet GM that’s there to take the heat for other people’s decisions, guys. Give me a reason to believe otherwise.
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Al Davis is dead.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Only guy who blew through more assets in shorter time than T.O.?
Al Davis….wasted $8 million bucks, 2 first rounders and 2 second rounders from the Gruden trade. How can you fk a deal like that up?
Damn.
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And whining about that now accomplishes WHAT, exactly?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Didn’t Bill Belicick suck once too…? Gruden isn’t walking through that door..let it go pal, let it go.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
News Flash – UPI Reports:
Joe Paterno was found in his casket within the mortuary which contracted with the Paterno family to carry out the late Mr. Paterno’s internment, this afternoon approximately 3:21 p.m. (e.s.t.). Mr. Paterno’s pants were reportedly pulled down around his ankles. When a mortuary representative investigated Mr. Paterno’s condition Jerry Sandusky was discovered concealed underneath the casket. After security was called Mr. Sandusky allegedly fled the the building, and drove away at a high rate of speed in his car. The police were notified and are now seeking the whereabouts of Mr. Sandusky for questioning.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
270.Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I’m starting to lean toward the gloom reality that McKenzie is nothing more than a sock puppet GM that’s there to take the heat for other people’s decisions, guys. Give me a reason to believe otherwise.
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Al Davis is dead.
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Not to mention that Reggie would never have taken the job to be an owner’s sockpuppet. If he’s here, it’s because he has the control.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Why are some of you treat Gruden’s name like it’s a curse word? Some of you are so afraid of the mere mentioning of him. It’s hilarious. I don’t understand it. Were those back to back division titles really that painful for you?
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Cfrylopez-keep it up,people need to vote NO.
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Like I said.
McKenzie gets hired, hints toward wanting Winston Moss. Winston Moss hints toward wanting to come here.
Suddenly, we’re interviewing a parade of retreads? Doesn’t sound like McKenzie’s in control to me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
GRUDEN HAS NO INTEREST IN COACHING FOOTBALL!!!
Do you think he missess waking up at 4am and putting in 15 hours everyday to coach? You think he wants to give up working one day a week broadcasting a game in primetime and watching or reading about football the rest of the week at his convenience all while making the same money.
Take a look at Grudens coaching record and I bet you in 20 years from now it’ll be the same. THE END!
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Actually, you are missing the most vital component of a competitor.
The desire to compete, and win.
Gruden is not afraid of hard work.
It’s about the challenge, Victory, and Glory.
Gruden doesn’t become a HOF head coach from the broadcast booth.
He has a chance IF he returns to coaching.
Not saying He will, just pointing out some obvious motivations to return.
I do believe if He were to return, he’d want to come back to Oakland.
Just my opinion.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
And, it’s probably already too late to bring in Moss. Now he’s going to hold our balls to the fire. He’ll know we’re desperate, that we couldn’t land anyone else. Al may be dead, but his style of management in Oakland certainly isn’t.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Without Gruden we would have had 24 losing seasons out of 29 after winning our last Superbowl in 1983. As it is we have 19 losing seasons with Gruden.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Wassup Lefty!
How’s that Oakland Live thing going up there?
Sounds like a really good idea.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
But if he has any competitive spirit left in him…..what better story would there be than to twice save the Oakland Raiders from Al’s dreadful hands?
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Just saw this
Agreed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
SharkCatcher, why are you so afraid of Gruden? Were you not happy when we clinched the AFC west in 2000? Routing Miami? Were you not happy when we finally beat Denver in 2001 (after losing to them like 90 times in a row…)? Were you not happy when Charlie Garner ripped that TD run to end the game against the Jets, on the sat. night wild card prime time game? Did Gruden suck that bad?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mark Davis needs to fire that clown Herrera. He must have some dirt on Mark.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Al D Davis your jokes are almost as funny as Carlos mencia–Almost
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Viva la Gruden!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
McKenzie just announced we are trading our 5th & 6th round draft picks of 2012 to N.E. for Sterling Moore [whom we had on our roster as an undrafted free agent to begin with].
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Not to mention that Reggie would never have taken the job to be an owner’s sockpuppet. If he’s here, it’s because he has the control.
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Exactly.
Says Reggie…. “Dream Job”
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
293.Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mark Davis needs to fire that clown Herrera. He must have some dirt on Mark.
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If Herrera has some dirt on Mark, then Mark should just put a hit on him….I am sure Mark knows some people who know some people.
lol
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Sullivan 44 #292,
Anyway Sully, Gruden is not coming back here as HC; why would he want such grief ?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
McKenzie just announced we are trading our 5th & 6th round draft picks of 2012 to N.E. for Sterling Moore [whom we had on our roster as an undrafted free agent to begin with].
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I think one of Reggies attributes is finding the Sterling Moore’s of the world.
No picks needed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I’m happy with Mike Brown’s defense, Dakota.
His offense is still coming along, lol.
Tell me this, did you watch the end of the game last night?
Did you see Kobe actually pass the ball to Gasol down low?
Did you see Gasol give it right back and literally run to the other side of the floor?
Pathetic!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Al D. Davis, it’s not about whether or not Gruden would come back, it’s about this deep rooted fear so many Raider fans have of even discussing him. lol. What is so disturbing about our best head coach in the past 20 years?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Scared? …I wish Gruden comes back..I also wish I could have a perfect 10 model wife …..just being realistic..not going to happen
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:04 pm
293.Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mark Davis needs to fire that clown Herrera. He must have some dirt on Mark.
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If Herrera has some dirt on Mark, then Mark should just put a hit on him….I am sure Mark knows some people who know some people.
lol
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Word on the street is “they” are from the Dakota’s
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
When the past success of the Raiders and Davis was brought up,many complained that people shouldn’t live in the past.Yet those people who made those accusations about living in the past are the same ones trying to relive the past by talking about Chuckie.Seems a little hypocritical to me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
297.RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Not to mention that Reggie would never have taken the job to be an owner’s sockpuppet. If he’s here, it’s because he has the control.
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Exactly.
Says Reggie…. “Dream Job”
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Well, you know the story of Al agree to one thing and then taking the language out of the contract when it came to the day to sign it…..maybe Mark learned a thing or two from his dad. Maybe the last page of the contract McKenzie signed simply said:
“YOU WORK FOR ME NOW BOY AND YOU WILL DO AS I SAY IN ALL THINGS!”
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dakota,
Do you think Gasol has a green light?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Our most successful head coach of the free agency era is available. Yeah. Hush up, everyone. DO NOT talk about it. lol.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Dakota Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
181.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:32 pm
“Damn work! Can’t keep up on the blog!”
I am having one of those days as well.
Dakota whats the name of that city where all the pipeline work is in ND?
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But be cautious….hear a 1 bedroom apartment in Williston is renting for $2,800 a month and a 2 bedroom is renting for $3,400 a month.
McDonalds is paying $15 an hour with full health care benefits in Williston though….
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Amazing. The conservatives have finally got their economic policies into the hinterlands. Where you work 60 hours a week 51 weeks a year and end up with nothing. But abortion is what is ruining this country I guess.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
SharkCatcher, why are you so afraid of Gruden? Were you not happy when we clinched the AFC west in 2000? Routing Miami? Were you not happy when we finally beat Denver in 2001 (after losing to them like 90 times in a row…)? Were you not happy when Charlie Garner ripped that TD run to end the game against the Jets, on the sat. night wild card prime time game? Did Gruden suck that bad?
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Please name one coach who returned to his former team and led them to a Super Bowl. Just one.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
301.J Hill Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
I’m happy with Mike Brown’s defense, Dakota.
His offense is still coming along, lol.
Tell me this, did you watch the end of the game last night?
Did you see Kobe actually pass the ball to Gasol down low?
Did you see Gasol give it right back and literally run to the other side of the floor?
Pathetic!
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Because in practice Brown keeps yelling at them to THROW THE BALL TO KOBE!
That is Mike Brown’s offensive scheme!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Well, you know the story of Al agree to one thing and then taking the language out of the contract when it came to the day to sign it…..maybe Mark learned a thing or two from his dad. Maybe the last page of the contract McKenzie signed simply said:
“YOU WORK FOR ME NOW BOY AND YOU WILL DO AS I SAY IN ALL THINGS!”
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LOL
Not even remotely plausible.
Mark Davis…”I know what I don’t know”
The guy wants to win.
He needs help in the Football operations.
He’s hired it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
We’re interviewing people like Dom Capers and Dennis Allen when a Super Bowl winning head coach with a career winning percentage, who also happened to be our best head coach of the free agency era, is available. But seriously, guys. Do not even think of discussing this. Because it WON’T HAPPEN. IT WON’T HAPPEN. LA LA LA LA LA LA *fingers in my ears*
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
305.lefty12 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
When the past success of the Raiders and Davis was brought up,many complained that people shouldn’t live in the past.Yet those people who made those accusations about living in the past are the same ones trying to relive the past by talking about Chuckie.Seems a little hypocritical to me.
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There is a difference between recent past (Gruden’s success) and the stuff that took place prior to man walking upright (Al’s success).
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Time to head home.
Later Jhill, we can talk Lakers another time.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Please name one coach who returned to his former team and led them to a Super Bowl. Just one.
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That’s a valid argument. See? How hard was that?
It beats, “STOP TALKING ABOUT IT! IT’S NOT GOING TO HAPPEN. WAAAAAH WAAAAH! I DON’T LIKE TO TALK ABOUT GRUDEN BECAUSE HIS LEGACY UNDERMINE’S AL’S ROLE IN THE ONLY SUCCESS WE HAD IN THE PAST 20 YEARS! LET’S TALK ABOUT SOMETHING ELSE!! WHAAAA!!”
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Sullivan44, # 302,
True. It’s a mystery to me why anyone fears Gruden. The Raiders have only had 3 good coaches: Madden, Flores and Gruden. In all my posts I preach on how AL and his shenanigans placed the Raiders in the AFC cellar for 29 season while always mentioning by disclaimer (”the Gruden anamoly”). Even then AL was so demented and paranoid he dismissed Gruden to satisfy his imaginary fear that Gruden may become more powerful than he (AL) and therefore usurp the organization from AL. It’s too bad that didn’t happen.
Now, it would be a miracle if Gruden returned, and am not sure why the fans are resistant to that.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Sullivan44, #13
will never happen…..
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
News Flash – UPI Reports:
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January 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Please name one coach who returned to his former team and led them to a Super Bowl. Just one.
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How many examples would we have?
I liked Gruden when He was here.
I questioned his conservative approach on offense.
His ability to work and motivate I think is above average.
He just has to keep his hands off of player procurement, and open up the playbook.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
There’s no way Gruden’s coming back here. But that being said, I’d take him in a second over the clowns we’re interviewing now. As long as he’s available and we’re looking for a coach, his name will always be brought up. Fans who have this bizarre fear of him are just going to have to bare with it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Over 10 years ago is the recent past?Just last week someone commented on here that the game has evolved and it isn’t even the same game it was 7 years ago.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Raider fans weren’t always so reluctant to support the re-hiring of a former coach.
“Art Shell will bring back the toughness”.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
My gut says this head coaching search is taking way too long but my mind says this is what R.M said might occur. If finding the best coach to lead our Raiders takes this long, so be it. When you are starting a company, most employers take time to make the hire…One interview, two interviews. R.M isn’t totally sold on just hiring the coach that “makes sense” or is the popular choice. He is taking time to select the best candidate and he has yet to find him. I don’t think that is too hard to understand, even though my gut doesn’t.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Al D. Davis, it’s not about whether or not Gruden would come back, it’s about this deep rooted fear so many Raider fans have of even discussing him. lol. What is so disturbing about our best head coach in the past 20 years?
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Sullivan, they are scared to find out that those winning years were because of Gruden and not Al Davis.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
If Raider fans could have faith in Shell returning, they can’t have faith in Gruden? When it comes to post season success Gruden is actually much better than Shell.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Albert, I’m picking up on that, too. Whenever people are afraid of discussing someone, it’s usually because they want to downplay that person’s accomplishments.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
And notice, Albert, their plan b, so to speak, is to downplay Gruden. Plan A was to hush the conversation about him. That failed. Now it’s smear time.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:09 pm
We’re interviewing people like Dom Capers and Dennis Allen when a Super Bowl winning head coach with a career winning percentage, who also happened to be our best head coach of the free agency era, is available. But seriously, guys. Do not even think of discussing this. Because it WON’T HAPPEN. IT WON’T HAPPEN. LA LA LA LA LA LA *fingers in my ears*
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Please provide any evidence that Gruden would be interested in leaving the broadcast booth.
Please provide any evidence that he would be a good coach. Remember that after his first season, his Tampa Bay tenure was a study in mediocrity.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
MiamiRaider,
Are you in denial of McKenzie hinting toward hiring Winston Moss almost immediately after being hired? And the fact that Winston’s name has all but fizzled away?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
This is difficult for some of you to understand,but not everyone looks at Gruden as if he is the second coming of Lombardi.He did leave the 2 teams he coached decimated with little to no talent.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
MiamiRaider78 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
My gut says this head coaching search is taking way too long but my mind says this is what R.M said might occur. If finding the best coach to lead our Raiders takes this long, so be it. When you are starting a company, most employers take time to make the hire…One interview, two interviews. R.M isn’t totally sold on just hiring the coach that “makes sense” or is the popular choice. He is taking time to select the best candidate and he has yet to find him. I don’t think that is too hard to understand, even though my gut doesn’t.
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For all we know, maybe Moss is the Guy, but Reggie feels compelled to interview others, just in case.
Due diligence.
I have no problem with that.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDuck, if Gruden’s tenure in Tampa after the SB win was a “study in mediocrity”, what would you call Al’s tenure in Oakland after the SB loss?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Referring to fans that merely discuss Gruden as a possible HC candidate as “worshipers”. More fear.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Assume for the purpose of argument, that the Raiders (ie Mark Davis) would actually be willing to fork out the money to Jon Gruden that hiring would demand (and assume, of course, that Gruden might be willing to come back to coaching and coaching the Raiders, in particular)….what in the world makes anyone think Reggie McKenzie, new to the GM position, would be willing to make Gruden HIS choice?
I mean, wouldn’t it be natural for anyone in Reggie’s position to believe that picking Gruden would make the new GM look as if he were trying to be AL, as if he were retreating into the past instead of making his own way as GM and leading his team into a new era?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
For all we know, maybe Moss is the Guy, but Reggie feels compelled to interview others, just in case.
………..
“Hey Winston, you’re our guy! But…we just…you know…want to interview some other people first…you know…to see if we can…you know…find someone better than you. But if we can’t? You’re the man, Winston! You’re the man!!!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Gruden post SB Victory…
45-51
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
Vote NO! Vote NO! Vote NO to LA RAiders!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I think he’ll make the right choice, regardless of what we all think in here. Maybe one of the candidates impressed him enought to make the selection that more difficult? Who knows but I doubt Lloyd Christmas is meddling.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Gruden post SB Victory…
45-51
………….
And the Raiders’ record since that SB?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Wow. The LA Times ran a poll asking people in LA if they want the Raiders back. Gee. Guess that will scientifically end the debate.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
For all we know, maybe Moss is the Guy, but Reggie feels compelled to interview others, just in case.
………..
“Hey Winston, you’re our guy! But…we just…you know…want to interview some other people first…you know…to see if we can…you know…find someone better than you. But if we can’t? You’re the man, Winston! You’re the man!!!!
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Out of context.
Reggie may still hire Moss, but did not offer him the job at 1st blush.
He’s looking at all options before making a decision.
Simple.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDuck, if Gruden’s tenure in Tampa after the SB win was a “study in mediocrity”, what would you call Al’s tenure in Oakland after the SB loss?
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Absolutely horrid, of course. But that doesn’t mean we should accept mediocrity in its stead.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:26 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Gruden post SB Victory…
45-51
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And the Raiders’ record since that SB?
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Based on this reasoning we would have been 45-51?
Who cares.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
lol. Nice non answer, Len.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:29 pm
lol. Nice non answer, Len.
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That was a great non answer. lol
You understand the point.
Both teams were sub .500.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
He’s looking at all options before making a decision.
Simple.
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Whoever ultimately makes the football decisions in Oakland is looking at all options before hiring Winston Moss, because Winston Moss is clearly NOT their man.
Simple.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Al Davis was in control of the roster when Gruden was here.
One of his main issues was he wanted control of the roster.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:21 pm
For all we know, maybe Moss is the Guy, but Reggie feels compelled to interview others, just in case.
………..
“Hey Winston, you’re our guy! But…we just…you know…want to interview some other people first…you know…to see if we can…you know…find someone better than you. But if we can’t? You’re the man, Winston! You’re the man!!!!
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Out of context.
Reggie may still hire Moss, but did not offer him the job at 1st blush.
He’s looking at all options before making a decision.
Simple.
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Or maybe La Canfora’s (or whoever) scoop is accurate and the interview didn’t go well, meaning that McKenzie’s looking elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Not sure how you say that Gruden left our roster in shambles, Lefty.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I don’t think Tice is a real candidate, but if he did take Raider job, Bears may want to replace him with Hue Jack.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
The point is that you’re in denial of the fact that Gruden did a much better job in Tampa than Al Davis did here, Len.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
DKnight007,Im with ya with Jon Gruden as HC,maybe Moss as DC,Mark,Amy and Reggie COULD make it happen,ya,You wanna sell tickets?HELLO
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
I don’t know why the chatter chatter for grudens return.
While here he coached one of the most talented offenses in the NFL
annnnd littered with vets at every position. All meeting rooms contained extremly talented vets. That’s y we won while he was here.
Didn’t do sh$t with his own picked personnel in TB
THE END!!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Whoever ultimately makes the football decisions in Oakland is looking at all options before hiring Winston Moss, because Winston Moss is clearly NOT their man.
Simple.
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Reggie is making the decision, and we will all know soon enough if Moss is the man or not.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:22 pm
RaiderDuck, if Gruden’s tenure in Tampa after the SB win was a “study in mediocrity”, what would you call Al’s tenure in Oakland after the SB loss?
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I didn’t think we were talking about Davis, I thought we were talking about Tampon Bay and Gruden. Jon Gruden ended his last month as a coach winless. 0-4. Since that time, Tampon Bay has amassed a stellar 17-31 record or a winning percentage of .354. Now, you can blame that all on Raheem Morris but funny thing is Morris got a job immediately in the league while Gruden still hasn’t years later. Do you wonder who people in the league hold accountable for Tampon Bay’s demise? Sure isn’t Raheem Morris. And the saddest part is the EXACT SAME thing happened here under his watch.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Uh, sure. Reggie McKeznie’s interview with Winston Moss didn’t go well…even though they’ve already worked with each other in Green Bay and know each other. OK…
What will these guys come up with next?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Gruden left our roster in shambles? That is a joke. Al Davis and Bruce Allen were responsible for building the roster. They are the ones who brought in all those veterans. That sure is some revisionist history.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
The point is that you’re in denial of the fact that Gruden did a much better job in Tampa than Al Davis did here, Len.
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No denial.
Both were losers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Mike Tice is moving on. That means it down to Marty or Dennis. Whos it going to be?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
From what I can see, Reggie is making the decision to show up everyday, and little else.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@skjensen #Bears O-C Mike Tice will not interview for the Raiders head-coaching position. Raiders are moving on to second phase.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Len, factually, in the past decade Al Davis was a much bigger loser than Jon Gruden. Gruden got a Lombardi trophy in the past decade.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Cfrylopez= best poster on the blog….no to LA…….not Raiders home or true place….only Oakland is. You lose real raider experience moving to LA….just like in movies…is the sequel ever better than the original? NEVER!…quite obvious we got some on this blog who don’t care about Raiders just care only about their over inflated ego city getting a team that they’ll never support…..get ready for your Chargers LA….get your own identity and stop stealing ours…..thanks in advance
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Or maybe La Canfora’s (or whoever) scoop is accurate and the interview didn’t go well, meaning that McKenzie’s looking elsewhere. Nothing wrong with that.
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Could be true.
I’m going by what Reggie said to P Gutierrez.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Tice turned down the Raiders, too? That’s another 100k Moss will demand when we come back to him with our tails between our legs.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Uh, sure. Reggie McKeznie’s interview with Winston Moss didn’t go well…even though they’ve already worked with each other in Green Bay and know each other. OK…
What will these guys come up with next?
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And you have reason to doubt veteran NFL reporters?
It’s entirely possible that Moss waltzed in thinking he’d be offered the job, and when McKenzie started asking hard questions about our personnel, Moss didn’t have answers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Let’s check who will mean more to NFL at end of the day….Al Davis or Jon Gruden…..than you Al in a landslide
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Len, factually, in the past decade Al Davis was a much bigger loser than Jon Gruden. Gruden got a Lombardi trophy in the past decade.
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OK…you win.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Its gotta be Dennis Allen or Marty the Moose!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
So, Allen’s Broncos =
20th in total defense,
24th in scoring defense,
28th in interceptions,
22nd in rushing yardage allowed.
ummmm
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Duck,
Moss and McKenzie have worked together for 6 years. Just what unlikeable thing could McKenzie have discovered about Moss in an interview that he didn’t notice after working with him for 6 years?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Kyle Williams getting death threats from Whiner fan? Didn’t DeBartolo once have a banner that said “winning with class?”
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Tice turned down the Raiders, too? That’s another 100k Moss will demand when we come back to him with our tails between our legs.
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This kind of thing happens all the time. Usually, a late “withdrawal” means that the person’s been privately told they’re not getting the job, and this is allowed as a face-saving maneuver. It could well mean that Reggie’s about to offer Allen the job tomorrow.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
No, Len, I didn’t win. Gruden did. While Davis lost.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
And you have reason to doubt veteran NFL reporters?
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Dude is pretty creepy looking with that lazy eye-thing…
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Only one person on this blog for now the last r seasons has maintained that Gruden would never coach again in NFL cuz he was the new madden…..that’s the B@uce….archives prove it too…..Gruden doesn’t wanna coach again….what’s the point? He got his title and gettin his bread. Plus he spends hella time with his family
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Gruden left our roster in shambles? That is a joke. Al Davis and Bruce Allen were responsible for building the roster.
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No they weren’t. It is accepted knowledge that while Davis was tied up in court, Bruce Allen and Gruden were running the team.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:18 pm
If Raider fans could have faith in Shell returning, they can’t have faith in Gruden? When it comes to post season success Gruden is actually much better than Shell.
Real Ralk I had no faith in the over weight Monkey ni gga Shell bra
Gruden is an innovator a fast thinking large brain football coach.
Palmer can run Grudens O better than anyone since Gannon, since P arm is better than G his Playbook would open up accordantly. Real talk Jee
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Duck,
Moss and McKenzie have worked together for 6 years. Just what unlikeable thing could McKenzie have discovered about Moss in an interview that he didn’t notice after working with him for 6 years?
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Who knows? I don’t know how the meeting went. Neither do you. All we have to go on are media reports. Why must you assume the worst about everything 100% of the time?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
373.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Kyle Williams getting death threats from Whiner fan? Didn’t DeBartolo once have a banner that said “winning with class?”
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Hey Seymour,
Apparently, that was just for the team and not the fans. Amazing isn’t it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Gruden made the playoffs 3 times in Tampa Bay.
Three times with QBs named Chris Simms, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Garcia.
Gruden went 8-8 in Oakland with DONALD HOLLAS as his QB.
Why do Raider fans hate success?
Bucs 9-7 Gruden’s last season, 3-13 next season.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Uh, sure. Reggie McKeznie’s interview with Winston Moss didn’t go well…even though they’ve already worked with each other in Green Bay and know each other. OK…
What will these guys come up with next?
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And you have reason to doubt veteran NFL reporters?
It’s entirely possible that Moss waltzed in thinking he’d be offered the job, and when McKenzie started asking hard questions about our personnel, Moss didn’t have answers.
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Reggie Mckenzie: Is Kameron Wimbley better suited at defensive end or Outside linebacker?
Winston Moss: Line..
Reggie Mckenzie: Bye!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Niner fans are aholes, Seymour. Anyone who’s been to a game at the stick knows this. I remember in the ’80s a kid with a Rams shirt on was doused with a beer.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Hold your horses Raider Nation….. I think I found our new coach! http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/diamond-in-rough.html
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
FreddieB Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
373.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Kyle Williams getting death threats from Whiner fan? Didn’t DeBartolo once have a banner that said “winning with class?”
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Hey Seymour,
Apparently, that was just for the team and not the fans. Amazing isn’t it.
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Considering they were widely viewed as the dirtiest team in the league by far, DeBartolo makes Hue Jackson look like “Honest Abe.”
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Len…..MR is upset that Al is a HOFer and his legacy will forever be part of the lore that is the NFL….Grufen is an after thought when talking the big picture lol…MR needs to complain…….also MR is fuming over kyle Williams fumbles lol
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Yeah! No Mike Tice!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
lol. Sure. McKenzie works with Moss for 6 years….day in, day out. And pro football teams’ front offices and coaching staffs spend countless hours with each other during the season. But it wasn’t until McKenzie sat down in a room and had an interview with Winston Moss that he found out he didn’t like him. lol. OK, buddy.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Hold your horses Raider Nation….. I think I found our new coach! http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/diamond-in-rough.html
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Why not just tell us who you think it is instead of hyping a link.
Self server.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Gruden’s offense was a 5yd crossing route, or a scramble by Rich Gannon.
1st & 10, 5yd crossing route. 2nd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 15, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 20, 5yd crossing route.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Niner fans only try to fk with jcats who won’t chunk em….all them frisco ducktail havin chumps said nada to me as I talked schit to them…when Ford let ball bounce off of him in 20w0…I asked who wanted to get them hands up…no one wanted any
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Only one person on this blog for now the last r seasons has maintained that Gruden would never coach again in NFL cuz he was the new madden…..that’s the B@uce….archives prove it too…..Gruden doesn’t wanna coach again….what’s the point? He got his title and gettin his bread. Plus he spends hella time with his family
Real Talk my Nig Method, why are talking about things you know nothing about from personal experience G:
Coaching
Football
Madden
SB Titles
Money
Spending time with your family
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Len…..MR is upset that Al is a HOFer and his legacy will forever be part of the lore that is the NFL….Grufen is an after thought when talking the big picture lol…MR needs to complain…….also MR is fuming over kyle Williams fumbles lol
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How’ve you been B?
Reggie gonna get this thing straightened out?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Kell, Gruden’s offense was a 10 game winning offense, with a division title here, and a first Raider playoff victory in a decade there…
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Lol Kell….I don’t like you at all but football wise you bout the smartest dude on the blog…Gruden’s style of offense sucked as is outdated is you wanna win a title
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Gruden’s offense was a 5yd crossing route, or a scramble by Rich Gannon.
1st & 10, 5yd crossing route. 2nd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 15, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 20, 5yd crossing route.
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3rd and 6, swing pass to Richie.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Too funny, MR can’t get anyone to talk to him, so he dials up his favorite sockpuppet to converse with…
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Tweedy it was from experience fkin ur female family members and leaving u with the bill to raise the child…don’t worry u getting another Blake Griffin so chill out
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Raider fans who loved the deep ball were glad Gruden was gone…so were our AFC West opponents.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
What up Brien.. Welcome back
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
M.F Jon Gruden.
Move forward with whoever Reggie brings on board.
This is about getting the GM, HC, OC, DC and players on the same page.
The check cashers are on notice.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:47 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Gruden’s offense was a 5yd crossing route, or a scramble by Rich Gannon.
1st & 10, 5yd crossing route. 2nd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 10, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 15, 5yd crossing route. 3rd & 20, 5yd crossing route.
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3rd and 6, swing pass to Richie.
…………….
and….Raiders win. Raiders clinch the AFC west again!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Len….3rd and 10…pitch out to Nap Kaufman or Randy Jordan…efficiency
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Niner fans only try to fk with jcats who won’t chunk em….all them frisco ducktail havin chumps said nada to me as I talked schit to them…when Ford let ball bounce off of him in 20w0…I asked who wanted to get them hands up…no one wanted any
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Can we get an interpreter who speaks Ebonics? Brien, you need to lay off the bottle.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Some of you may have thought you were happy when Gruden was gone and the old Raiders passing game was back, but you weren’t as happy about it as our AFC West opponents. They were celebrating. One less team they had to worry about.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
382.alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Gruden made the playoffs 3 times in Tampa Bay.
Three times with QBs named Chris Simms, Brad Johnson, and Jeff Garcia.
Gruden went 8-8 in Oakland with DONALD HOLLAS as his QB.
Why do Raider fans hate success?
Bucs 9-7 Gruden’s last season, 3-13 next season.
^^^^^^^^
Cause some people are just dumb and don’t truly care about the getting back to WINNING again.
They would rather settle for Marty Morningwheg?
The bad apple from the Holmgren coaching tree. haha
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Anybody wanna place odds that it’s Dennis Allen?
I figuring about 70% Allen, 25% Marty, and 5% someone else.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Gruden’s offense was SOOOO vanilla, it broke yardage and points record in Oakland’s storied history.
Weird.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
M.F Jon Gruden.
Move forward with whoever Reggie brings on board.
This is about getting the GM, HC, OC, DC and players on the same page.
The check cashers are on notice.
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I think this is exactly right. It is time to start chopping some roster spots. Bring in some hungry undrafted guys that love the game and want to get better.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
406.Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Some of you may have thought you were happy when Gruden was gone and the old Raiders passing game was back, but you weren’t as happy about it as our AFC West opponents. They were celebrating. One less team they had to worry about.
^^^^^^^
Exactly!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I think it is Allen or Moss.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Davis loyalists, Shannahan, Schottenhimer, were the happiest people in the world when Gruden was traded. All our AFC west opponents ever prayed for in the early ’00s were for us to go back to Davis’s system.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Gruden was a good coach. But the guy is only good with a loaded roster. No track record of developing talent.
He’s been out of the league for a while.
Get me someone up to speed and wants to be a head coach.
If Gruden wanted to be a coach, he’d be one.
Move on folks
Get a real head coach (every candidate I heard is an upgrade to Hue Jackson’s B.S)….get three coordinators that are in line with GM and coach, and get the overpaid underperformers off the roster.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
B@uce
what’s up pimp?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Yeah, or a swing pass to Ritche. Lol.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
362.raymo2424 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@skjensen #Bears O-C Mike Tice will not interview for the Raiders head-coaching position. Raiders are moving on to second phase.
^^^^^^^
All you Tice worshippers jumping ship now?
haha…Tice should have never been in consideration in the first place!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
M.F Jon Gruden.
Move forward with whoever Reggie brings on board.
This is about getting the GM, HC, OC, DC and players on the same page.
The check cashers are on notice.
===========================================
I think this is exactly right. It is time to start chopping some roster spots. Bring in some hungry undrafted guys that love the game and want to get better.
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Players can not be “comfortable” in their positions.
Urgency and attention to detail separates winners from losers.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
362.raymo2424 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
@skjensen #Bears O-C Mike Tice will not interview for the Raiders head-coaching position. Raiders are moving on to second phase.
^^^^^^^
All you Tice worshippers jumping ship now?
haha…Tice should have never been in consideration in the first place!
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Yes! Reggie saw my posts!
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Dknight,
Gruden had a beast defense. Almost Raven like.
Ball control, limit mistakes offense…and let the D do the rest.
Once those vets got too old it all collapsed.
Been there and done that.
Move forward.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Oakland Raiders Modern Era.
Best QB: Gannon Raider fans hate him.
Best RB: McFadden Raider fans want to trade him.
Best TE: Miller Raider fans trash him on his way out.
Best DBs: Woodson and Asomugha Raider fans called them
“overrated”
Raider “fans” hate success. Doesn’t mesh well with their thug mentality or life? I dunno. Lack of logic.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Yeah, or a swing pass to Ritche. Lol.
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Right?
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
SNB
you’re rite. Just posted it in 354 threadline
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
412.Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
I think it is Allen or Moss.
^^^^^^^
Between the two…I’m hoping it’s Moss.
I will be disappointed if this orange pony kid Allen is force fed to us as the next head coach.
It will be like a dear in the headlights if this guy Allen is the next Raiders coach. Ugh
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
420.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Dknight,
Gruden had a beast defense. Almost Raven like.
Ball control, limit mistakes offense…and let the D do the rest.
Once those vets got too old it all collapsed.
Been there and done that.
Move forward.
^^^^^^^
So now it’s bad to have a good defense??
Get outta here with non sense.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
You Gruden haters are idiots. I can’t bother with you anymore.
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Anybody wanna place odds that it’s Dennis Allen?
I figuring about 70% Allen, 25% Marty, and 5% someone else.
=================================================
Dennis Allen did a very good job of coaching up Rod Coleman with Atl, and then the Saints Dline. Since Waufle was the lst one to go, right now as they are coming around the bend I would say it’s Dennis Allen by a length………
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
So, Allen’s Broncos =
20th in total defense,
24th in scoring defense,
28th in interceptions,
22nd in rushing yardage allowed.
ummmm
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:59 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Only one person on this blog for now the last r seasons has maintained that Gruden would never coach again in NFL cuz he was the new madden…..that’s the B@uce….archives prove it too…..Gruden doesn’t wanna coach again….what’s the point? He got his title and gettin his bread. Plus he spends hella time with his family
Real Talk my Nig Method, why are talking about things you know nothing about from personal experience G:
Coaching
Football
Madden
SB Titles
Money
Spending time with your family
Real Talk Yo J stick to the things y’all know best my nig:
Crack smoking, prob too dumb to sell
Stealing
Attempted Robbery
Vandalism
Hookers
Chicken
Rape
Jerry Curls
Basketball ( was a good sport until… )
And cheap Cognac
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
So Reggie cancels interview with Tice, this must mean he found his guy, shouldn’t be long now before we find out who his guy is.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Oakland Raiders Modern Era.
Best QB: Gannon Raider fans hate him.
Best RB: McFadden Raider fans want to trade him.
Best TE: Miller Raider fans trash him on his way out.
Best DBs: Woodson and Asomugha Raider fans called them
“overrated”
Raider “fans” hate success. Doesn’t mesh well with their thug mentality or life? I dunno. Lack of logic in here is laughable and sad.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
420.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Dknight,
Gruden had a beast defense. Almost Raven like.
Ball control, limit mistakes offense…and let the D do the rest.
Once those vets got too old it all collapsed.
Been there and done that.
Move forward.
^^^^^^^
So now it’s bad to have a good defense??
Get outta here with non sense.
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Hardly non-sense. You were referring that Gruden was winning with QBs like Chris Simms, B.J and Jeff Garcia. The suggestion there, without mentioning the defense, is that Gruden was this offensive genious that could do no wrong.
Actually he took Tony Dungy’s defense coupled with Derrick Brooks, John Lynch and…yes…Warren Sapp’s leadership with Monte Kiffin and rode that horse to the championship game.
Whereupon Callahan’s dumb azz couldnt change up the calls and therefore handed them the victory
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
So Reggie cancels interview with Tice, this must mean he found his guy, shouldn’t be long now before we find out who his guy is.
=================================
Twitter sez he’s scheduled second interviews with two guys. We know about Allen, and I assume the other one is either Marty or Moss, probably Marty.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Urgency and attention to detail separates winners from losers.
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Len, the difference between winners and losers is winners believe in themselves.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:00 pm
So Reggie cancels interview with Tice, this must mean he found his guy, shouldn’t be long now before we find out who his guy is.
—————-
He was quoted as saying “maybe by Saturday”
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
434.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Urgency and attention to detail separates winners from losers.
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Len, the difference between winners and losers is winners believe in themselves.
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and the system.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Im hoping for Morningweg,…some here are really tragic,…I like that Sullivan44 is terminally angry. Method is mad, but gets it…Sullivan44 you can tell hasnt had a pleasant day in 40 years.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
r8dercain Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
SNB
you’re rite. Just posted it in 354 threadline
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Your post was on. Gruden wasn’t this uber genious.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
BradBiggs Brad Biggs
#Bears OC Mike Tice will not interview for head job with #Raiders. It was supposed to happen tomorrow.
…
This guy writes for Chicago Tribune.
Thank you Lord!
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
FreddieB Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
434.Seymour Bush Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Urgency and attention to detail separates winners from losers.
===========================================
Len, the difference between winners and losers is winners believe in themselves.
———————–
and the system.
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All of the above.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Why is there a fuggin 9er ad at the top if this page promoting 9er football talk all day? There’s advertising money well spent!
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The check cashers are on notice.
Hey that’s you Method my nig.
Looks like we finally rid ourselves of Welfare and your Gov. Cheese
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
So Gruden did what Dungy couldn’t.
Once Gruden left Oakland, team fell apart soon after.
Once Gruden left Tampa, team had 3-13 season afterwards.
Gruden > Dungy. Gruden > the guys Oakland and Tampa replaced him with.
All agree? Fair enough. Let’s move on.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
lol Carl Weathers
just noticed it. Everyone likes a winner I guess.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Sully has a man crush on Gruden. He probably named his lil pecker chucky.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
AmysInCharge Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Im hoping for Morningweg,…some here are really tragic,…I like that Sullivan44 is terminally angry. Method is mad, but gets it…Sullivan44 you can tell hasnt had a pleasant day in 40 years.
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Well AmysInCharge it has to be hard for him to be 40+ years old and never been kissed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Dennis Allen = 24th in points allowed.
Chuck B. = 30th
wow, such progress.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Why is there a fuggin 9er ad at the top if this page promoting 9er football talk all day? There’s advertising money well spent!
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Didn’t notice it. AdBlock for the win!
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Dennis Allen = 24th in points allowed.
Chuck B. = 30th
wow, such progress.
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And third in interceptions and fifth in sacks.
Can’t even wait until the guy is hired to tear him down, can you?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Sorry,
These guys on defense are junk.
+++++++++++
Can’t argue that…Spot on…
Compare our D against the 4 Defenses from yesterday;
9ers
giants
pats
Raves
Raiders
Which one has the highests payroll, and worst performance?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Cfrylopez= best poster on the blog….no to LA…….not Raiders home or true place….only Oakland is. You lose real raider experience moving to LA….just like in movies…is the sequel ever better than the original? NEVER!…quite obvious we got some on this blog who don’t care about Raiders just care only about their over inflated ego city getting a team that they’ll never support…..get ready for your Chargers LA….get your own identity and stop stealing ours…..thanks in advance
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I have no stake in LA or Oakland, but it always seems like bay area fans get really insecure when talking about The Raiders moving to LA. Always seem to attack the people of LA, as if they actually are the ones moving the team. Lol.
Al Davis only cared about two things: Winning and Money. He’s from Brooklyn and worked for USC. Just two examples that he really had no sentimental ties to Oakland. He made the Raider Nation what it is, not Oakland.
Im with Mark Davis. The Raiders are one of the classic NFL franchises. They need a real stadium whether its in Oakland in 2025 or LA in a couple of years.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Umm, the report says 28TH IN INTERCEPTIONS.
So sacks trump points and yards.
Got it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Cfrylopez= best poster on the blog….no to LA…….not Raiders home or true place….only Oakland is. You lose real raider experience moving to LA….just like in movie..is the sequel ever better than the original? NEVER!…quite obvious we got some on this blog who don’t care about Raiders just care only about their over inflated ego city getting a team that they’ll never support…..get ready for your Chargers LA….get your own identity and stop stealing ours…..thanks in advance
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I have no stake in LA or Oakland, but it always seems like bay area fans get really insecure when talking about The Raiders moving to LA. Always seem to attack the people of LA, as if they actually are the ones moving the team. Lol.
Al Davis only cared about two things: Winning and Money. He’s from Brooklyn and worked for USC. Just two examples that he really had no sentimental ties to Oakland. He made the Raider Nation what it is, not Oakland.
Im with Mark Davis. The Raiders are one of the classic NFL franchises. They need a real stadium whether its in Oakland in 2025 or LA in a couple of years.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Thec07
if you’re doing more on D with lower-salaried athletes, doesn’t most of the credit go to the coaching?
I would think a real D coach would find plenty of talent here. You saw how the 49ers didn’t miss a beat when Patrick Willis was out.
Scheme, scheme, scheme.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Dennis Allen = 24th in points allowed.
Chuck B. = 30th
wow, such progress.
——-
They gave up a lot of points in those games against the Lions and Patriots were Tebow was awful. Denver had the worst defense in the league the year before Allen became DC. They were greatly improved without having much talent.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Im with Mark Davis. The Raiders are one of the classic NFL franchises. They need a real stadium whether its in Oakland in 2025 or LA in a couple of years.
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Everyone talks a good game. Is that stadium in LA built? I didn’t think so. You know, if I had a brand new, state of the art 65,000 seat stadium sitting in my backyard I’ll bet I could get a team to move in. I just don’t have one. Neither does LA.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NEW!~ 01-23-12: FOR THE LOVE OF CHUCKY
Many fans seem to want it but should or could McKenzie re-unite Gruden and Gannon?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone look at the Giants, Patriots, 49ers, or Ravens D and think:
“wow, what a FAST defense!” ??
Just coached properly, and can tackle. Speed on D = overrated. You rarely run in a straight line very far.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Reggie McKenzie is kicking back at the Senior Bowl, sipping some fine Scotch, waiting to see which HC wannabe is going to buy him a sumptuous dinner.
Other than that he can just laugh at all the buffoonish speculation about who he is going to hire.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:17 pm
455. They had Dumervil and Miller
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Gruden was a good coach. But the guy is only good with a loaded roster. No track record of developing talent.
………..
Same could be said of Al Davis. Look at Davis without Ron Wolf. The only time he succeeded was when Gruden was here.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Thec07
if you’re doing more on D with lower-salaried athletes, doesn’t most of the credit go to the coaching?
I would think a real D coach would find plenty of talent here. You saw how the 49ers didn’t miss a beat when Patrick Willis was out.
Scheme, scheme, scheme.
++++++++
Disagree to a point A. You need both coaching, and players…
We do not have the personel to run what you want to run.
9ers have the best hardest hitting D in the NFL. Thats not all coaching, however they do have the swagger of the coach so it does count for something however, you need both…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Albert
they gave up 20+ points to nearly EVERYONE! Chargers, Raiders, Patriots, Lions, Bengals, Vikings, and the Bills put up 20+ in 3 quarters before the Tebow INT TDs.
Why do we make excuses for outsiders, then do the fake “No Excuses!” with our own?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
McKenzie’s out, imo. He’s there as a scapegoat. I’m firmly convinced this is not McKenzie’s coach search.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone look at the Giants, Patriots, 49ers, or Ravens D and think:
“wow, what a FAST defense!” ??
Just coached properly, and can tackle. Speed on D = overrated. You rarely run in a straight line very far.
==========================================================
Those defenses were so far above ours it isn’t even close. Those guys played with a passion that has been lacking on this team for a lot of years, They were layin the wood
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:18 pm
………..
Same could be said of Al Davis. Look at Davis without Ron Wolf. The only time he succeeded was when Gruden was here.
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To a certain extent that was true. Although Al Davis did a good job developing defensive backs. I think that was his true interest.
Couldn’t get a QB developed…and that really hurt the franchise.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Umm, the report says 28TH IN INTERCEPTIONS.
So sacks trump points and yards.
Got it.
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He improved them by a good dozen spots in one year. Not bad.
But of course, this isn’t about that. This is about you dumping on any and every potential Raider coach not named Hue Jackson or Jon Gruden. No matter who Reggie picks, you’ll declare it the worst ever.
Go root for another team if you hate it here so much.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone look at the Giants, Patriots, 49ers, or Ravens D and think:
“wow, what a FAST defense!” ??
+++++++++
Actually I do say wow look how fst they all converge on the ball… I noticed that about the 9ers, they attack the ball, and smash…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:19 pm
McKenzie’s out, imo. He’s there as a scapegoat. I’m firmly convinced this is not McKenzie’s coach search.
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And your evidence is…?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Pwillis was Pwillis before the advent of harbugh…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Thec
look at the Ravens roster turnover on D.
They have different corners, strong safeties, OLBers every two years, yet the same results.
What happened to STUD PLAYER Adalius Thomas when he left the Ravens for the Patriots? Suuuuuuuucked.
You’re right that players help. I’d say it’s about 70/30 scheme/coaching to players right now.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Duck, I said it was my opinion. Do I need evidence to prove it’s my opinion? You want a brain scan?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone look at the Giants, Patriots, 49ers, or Ravens D and think:
“wow, what a FAST defense!” ??
Just coached properly, and can tackle. Speed on D = overrated. You rarely run in a straight line very far.
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The 49ers, yes. Also, the Seahawks, Bengals, and Texans.
But you’re right – the most important thing is coaching.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Agreed those defenses CONVERGE QUICKLY.
Why? They’re in the RIGHT PLACE, close by, zoned properly, in position to make plays.
They’re not sprinting 20 yards to get there. Maybe 5.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Sully… two weeks ago you were licking mongos balls… LOL.. now you’re losing hope as well. Its just a matter a time before you say That he was hired by al davis. .LOL.. you fool!!
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I’m not interested in this SB at all. Don’t even care who wins. I was only interested as long as SF was in it, I wanted them to go to the SB, then lose, so their 5-0 SB record would be ruined. Now I don’t care. Football’s over. Watching the Raiders and this ridiculous sham of a HC search.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Umm, the report says 28TH IN INTERCEPTIONS.
So sacks trump points and yards.
Got it.
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He improved them by a good dozen spots in one year. Not bad.
But of course, this isn’t about that. This is about you dumping on any and every potential Raider coach not named Hue Jackson or Jon Gruden. No matter who Reggie picks, you’ll declare it the worst ever.
Go root for another team if you hate it here so much.
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It’s kind of hard to be a really good defense when your offense leads the league in fumbles and your passing offense is in the bottom of the league. That’s what Dennis Allen was dealing with. But he did give up a 40 spot a lot more than I would want to see.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
What happened to STUD PLAYER Adalius Thomas when he left the Ravens for the Patriots? Suuuuuuuucked.
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come on man, bmore as HOFe’rs on that D;
NAGTA, LEWIS, and REED
I would say its 60/40 playesr/scheme
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
You need a Hall of Fame type QB to win theSB.
Only twice since 1993, has a team with a questionable QB won it all, Ravens in 2001 and Bucs in 2003.
Get a hall of fame QB, at all costs.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Duck
from 32nd to 24th isn’t a dozen.
Come on. 8 spots while playing the lowly Chiefs twice, the Titans, and injured VIkings and Bears.
Again, why do we make excuses for those outside, but not inside?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Alex,
Those Raiders on the roster need to either restructure or be broomed out.
Let’s say that a new coach inproves their play…those guys aren’t superstars if Vince Lombardi comes back.
I don’t see the ceiling for Wimbley being Peppers or Ware….or Huff approaching Paloumalu or Reed….or TK making a differnence like Ngata or Seymour matching Wilfork in his old age.
And Routt is just ok…certainly not top 5
Those contracts are a millstone on this team and will have to be adjusted….those guys are among the top 3 to 5 paid for their position.
Either they restructure or they have to go…..take the cap hit and get on with fixing the team for real.
The bandaiding ain’t going to work.
Gotta clean house and get cap room!
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:24 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Does anyone look at the Giants, Patriots, 49ers, or Ravens D and think:
“wow, what a FAST defense!” ??
Just coached properly, and can tackle. Speed on D = overrated. You rarely run in a straight line very far.
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The 49ers, yes. Also, the Seahawks, Bengals, and Texans.
But you’re right – the most important thing is coaching.
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And every coach wants speed on defense. One of the lst things you want to do is build pride in your defense. That, might be tough after last year.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Why McKenzie will succeed:
He will pick the best candidate for HC.
He will aid the HC in picking the best coordinators.
He will establish a scouting system that will provide the organization with top-notch evaluations on free agents, draft picks and undrafted prospects.
He will have an advanced scouting team that will dissect our upcoming opponents and their tendencies.
In short, he will be the best GM in the NFL, book it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
303, spot on.
It’s a QB / DC league. Been preaching it for years.
WHich is why the Palmer move had to be made. Upgrades our QB spot, gives us at least a top-15 QB, which is a MUST to make the playoffs.
Nothing was happening here with JC, or Boller, or Pryor, or a mid-1st rounder this draft.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
303, I’ll bet you the Raiders draft the same as they did when Al was alive. Forget about the franch QB.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
What if the bronco cach turns out to be the next bill parcells? And then we held that over the next ten years! Whoa boy that would be super sweet.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Alex, you want to switch to a 3-4…I am cool with that however, you do not have the personel on the roster, which mean you need to turn the current D upside down, inside out…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Alex, question who on the current roster would you place in your 3-4 D?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Hue should have been given another year, same set up as last year, with Hue being the HC/interim GM. Anything less than playoffs this year, then he’s out. We f’d up. We just took a shovel and dug a whole even deeper.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:33 pm
lol Twocents.
Too easy, I gotta play devil’s advocate, k?
Why McKenzie will fail:
Peter principle.
No experience choosing HCs or coordinators.
Was one of about 5 guys who checked off on a prospect before GB would draft him.
Talent (scouting) can’t be “taught” to others.
No ability to transfer his “gut feelings” onto a system and other co-workers.
Doesn’t have strong football minds around him.
Interviews (his short work sample) nothing to be proud of.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Thec
Wade Phillips did it in Texas in one off-season with 80% same roster that was ranked 30th last year.
It can be done with the right scheme.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Sullivan,
Why would you say that. Are you a glass half full fan or half empty?
I bet Reggie will evaluate talent the “Non-Al” way. What would we think differently?
Let’s give this guy the benefit of the doubt. He inherited a roster that has issues on Defense or we just need the right coach as we should win and compete in our Division right away.
Doesn’t he get credit for the current GB roster?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I believe Silver’s report about why Hue was fired. I think Mark’s running everything. The only good thing about it is that he’ll probably wind up firing all of Al’s guys too, because he probably hates his dad’s guts. Basically, our new owners/meddler is Al Davis without the penchant for man defense, corners, and wide outs. Everything else will be just like the old man, like this coaching search.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:35 pm
303Raider Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Sullivan,
Why would you say that. Are you a glass half full fan or half empty?
…………
Half empty. Thank you.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Wimbley, Seymour, McClain, Curry all have 3-4 experience.
Secondary doesn’t change THAT much in terms of responsibilities.
We need a NT and a LB, and we’d have a foundation for it.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
I believe Silver’s report about why Hue was fired. I think Mark’s running everything. The only good thing about it is that he’ll probably wind up firing all of Al’s guys too, because he probably hates his dad’s guts. Basically, our new owners/meddler is Al Davis without the penchant for man defense, corners, and wide outs. Everything else will be just like the old man, like this coaching search.
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You do realize that Silver’s report was primarily “informed” by Hue’s sour-grapes vitriol?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Alex,
I always think the best yardstick is what the independent marketplace thinks.
Reggie was a candidate for GM in Chicago and for Indy and was a candidate for Houston and Atlanta.
So he is a legit candidate.
So let’s see how he does.
Either you hire someone who was fired from a previous GM job or you get someone on the rise…but no experience.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:37 pm
It’s funny to hear anyone on this Blog to say that we don’t have the players on our roster to play a 3-4. How do you know that?
Lol, all we are doing here is speculation at Best.
Everyone knew after Al died, we were going to get a GM. Shoot, I’ve wanted one since Bruce Allen left, even though he wasn’t a traditional GM.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
You do realize that Silver’s report was primarily “informed” by Hue’s sour-grapes vitriol?
…………..
And your evidence is….?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Alex7,
Hey, we are going to have to wait and see on all our speculations. I just like everything I’ve heard and seen about McKenzie. Just a gut feeling.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Duck
from 32nd to 24th isn’t a dozen.
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I was looking at yardage. From 32nd to 20th, in one year.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Wade Phillips had a roster of young players like Cushing, JJ Watt, Conner Barwin…with true difference makers like DeMarco Ryans and Jonathan Joseph.
The Raiders have NOTHING compairing to that.
WE have Tyvon Branch and Matt Shaughnessy that could be comparable talents.
The rest?
You will be disappointed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I even like the way McKenzie looks. Really, would you give any sh*t to him?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Twocents, you like the fact that McKenzie came in here, all but announced that he would hire Winston Moss, then suddenly went mute and started interviewing retreads and no-names?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Sully,
Lol, thanks for your honesty. I know it’s been 9 years since. We’ve competed.
We are on the bottom part of the up-curve. It’s like when the market tanked in March of 2009. Buy Raider stock today, the future is bright, Al is gone, RIP.
Gonna take Reggie a minute to air out all the stank from 9 years of losing, 7 years of 11 losses or more.
We need to believe and support our Raiders now more than ever.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Twocents Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I even like the way McKenzie looks. Really, would you give any sh*t to him?
………
That’s what a lot of fans said about the return of Shell in ‘06. Uh, no thanks.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:42 pm
and the Raiders have no draft picks to get a JJ Watt cause they traded it for a QB with 2-3 years left in the tank.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
twocents
honestly curious. what have you liked about McKenzie’s moves since coming to Oakland?
Coaching search = scattered, coaches are turning him down, only 2nd interview guy so far has ONE year experience as DC, so is technically more raw than Hue.
Fired a guy with a known, quantifiable talent (offense, points) after one season (best season in last 10 years).
Honestly, what’s been great?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Twocents, you like the fact that McKenzie came in here, all but announced that he would hire Winston Moss, then suddenly went mute and started interviewing retreads and no-names?
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When did he “all but announce” he would hire Moss? I must have missed that during the presser.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Alex, what’s scary is that a lot of the reputed Davis worshipers are now in McKenzie’s corner. What does that tell you?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:43 pm
twocents
honestly curious. what have you liked about McKenzie’s moves since coming to Oakland?
Coaching search = scattered, coaches are turning him down, only 2nd interview guy so far has ONE year experience as DC, so is technically more raw than Hue.
Fired a guy with a known, quantifiable talent (offense, points) after one season (best season in last 10 years).
Honestly, what’s been great?
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McCoy foolishly turned him down because he thought he had the Dolphins job.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:44 pm
SnB
Palmer + later round NT
is better than JJ Watt + Pryor/Boller/JC
I mean, this we agree on, right? 10 out of 10 times if the goal is to score points and win games.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Sully, I think McKenzie said he had a short list. I have no problem at all with what he has done. Cover all the bases, that is what I’d do.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
Twocents, you like the fact that McKenzie came in here, all but announced that he would hire Winston Moss, then suddenly went mute and started interviewing retreads and no-names?
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Source, never heard him say this in any related press conference? What is your source? Just the story that if Big Mac said years ago if he was made GM, he would hire Moss?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
If hue Jackson is so great, why can’t he land at the very least an O coordinator position? .. nobody wants him.. not even as o coordinator. ..LOL. the guy has character issues. Anywhere he goes, he will sharpen his knife to stab the head coach in the back. That’s why Fisher didn’t want him in St Louis. .
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
duck,
so again, nothing he’s done has been great, right? Not even “good.”
As the Silver article correctly pointed out, many of the NFL people he interviewed (notice the plural) stated our HC next year would be a downgrade. Sure is looking that way.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
Ghost, who other than the Raiders were looking at McKenzie as GM?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Ghost
Hue doesn’t need to be great after his first HC year. He has to be better than the guys we’re interviewing right now.
No rational non-Al-worshipper can say that
new HC + new DC will be better than Hue + new DC.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Grudens comin back
Grudens comin back
back to the silver and black
Grudens comin back
Like it or not
Like it or not
Gruden is hot
Like it or not
Grudens comin back
Grudens comin back
back to the silver and black
Grudens comin back
Theres only one coach who can grab this team by the balls and mean business people, and thats Gruden. He’s back already. In his heart, he never even left. Reggie gone and done right. Gruden is back.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Hue was only made head coach because of a “unique” hiring arrangement.
Hue is not head coach material. He proved it in Oakland. Couldn’t manage the team…and only focused on his responsibilities as an average offensive coordinator…who then threw everyone from the bridge but himself.
Raiders deserve AND WILL GET better.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
daaaaaang Sullivan
excellent observation.
The SAME guys that thought Al Davis was doing everything right,
now think McKenzie is doing everything right.
History, repeat, history, repeat. All because he “was a Raider!” and had Brett Favre + McCarthy’s system.
Like giving Jim Caldwell kudos.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:51 pm
SnB, no pressure.
All the Raiders have to do to prove their new HC is an improvement over Hue Jackson is win 9 games. No pressure at all.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
lol SnB
if top 12 O two years in a row is AVERAGE
give me more of that.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Com’on JerCorkBeck, get that 9er banner off this Raider blog. ‘taint funny.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Yahoo Sports reporting Raiders passing on interview with Tice, focusing on Dennis Allen
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
I like how we just had our best season since the Gruden teams, and we trash our rookie HC.
Apparently some in here thought we were really good? Particularly on D?
Why?
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Anti Niner Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Com’on JerCorkBeck, get that 9er banner off this Raider blog. ‘taint funny.
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I don’t see a 49er banner. Maybe it is regional marketing.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Sully. . No one..they only interviewed McKenzie. . Which I didn’t like. . But oh well!! … I just want McKenzie to hire thieves best qualified hc available. . Good luck with that. But it was obvious Jackson and McKenzie were going To butt heads.. hue had to go.. but I admit I initially wanted him to stay on for one more season…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
king24 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Yahoo Sports reporting Raiders passing on interview with Tice, focusing on Dennis Allen
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YYYYYYYYYYYEEEEEEEEEEEEEAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHHH!!!!!!!!!!!
Grudens comin back, all this other tripe is just a smokescreen. Welcome back Jon Gruden.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I love how 95.7 first said they were a Raider and Niner station. Didn’t take them long to sell out and just go for that peninsula Niner market. Aholes.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
It will take 2 years to be able to say if Reggie was a good hire.
We all have wanted a GM for some time and now we have one.
He comes from an organization that during his tenure won 2 SB, has had only 2 QB’s, and appeared In the playoffs numerous times.
I said years ago that The raiders would not start winning again until the Old Man died or retired.
Gonna take Reggie some time. I liked Hue, alot, but a new GM never keeps the old coach, never.
We are going throug a new ERA, and I for one and optimistic. It can’t get worse, can it?
Take your time Reggie, it’s not like our division is gonna change, no matter who you pick as our next HC, take our time.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Wow! Is Gruden really comin back? I hope everyone can dig it cuz Reggie is da man.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
525.. Haleluya!! I didn’t want the corner butcher.. Mike Tice as the HC. ..thank God.. hope you’re right. .
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Ghost, who other than the Raiders were looking at McKenzie as GM?
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The Bears…wasn’t a secret and reported EVERYWHERE! Take your meds…
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Blister I wish you were right, but if Reggie wants to announce his HC by Saturday Grudens name would have come up by now….bad feeling it’s Allen or Morningweig.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Nah, Reggie gave our HC 1 year, Reggie gets 1 year.
Better win 9 games next year, or it was a failure.
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:47 pm
duck,
so again, nothing he’s done has been great, right? Not even “good.”
As the Silver article correctly pointed out, many of the NFL people he interviewed (notice the plural) stated our HC next year would be a downgrade. Sure is looking that way.
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Actually, the coaching search has been excellent. He’s interviewed a wide range of candidates from all over the NFL:
One interim coach
One assistant head coach
Two offensive coordinators (one a former HC)
One defensive coordinator
I’m not seeing a problem here.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
If Al had hired Morningweig or a 1-year DC who’s team ranked 24th?
Pitchforks!
When McKenzie does it? “Great hire!” Just watch.
Sheep.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Gonna take Reggie some time. I liked Hue, alot, but a new GM never keeps the old coach, never.
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Does this mean Lovie Smith will be available once the Bears hire a new GM?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
ghostraiders Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Sully. . No one..they only interviewed McKenzie. . Which I didn’t like. . But oh well!! … I just want McKenzie to hire thieves best qualified hc available. . Good luck with that. But it was obvious Jackson and McKenzie were going To butt heads.. hue had to go.. but I admit I initially wanted him to stay on for one more season…
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Mark was stuck. Chicago was going to interview him the next day, and probably offer him their job. It was either offer him the job then, or lose out. I’m glad we got him.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
If McKenzie picks Gruden then I have really misjudged the man. Gruden is the white version of Hue.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Sully. . You’re right about 95.7. Those guys are a bunch of aholes. . I can’t stand tierany and davis. . A jets fan and a 9er fan.. screw that show.. I hate those fools..posers! !
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
lol Duck
good job not posting the NAMES of those guys interviewed.
You probably wouldn’t be able to contain your laughter as you typed.
Or mention how no one else is interviewing most of them.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=A2KLOzLKEB5PJ0kAxdVNbK5_?slug=nfp-20120123_mike_tice_out_of_the_running_with_raiders
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
dang, owned!
nwr8r Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Gonna take Reggie some time. I liked Hue, alot, but a new GM never keeps the old coach, never.
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Does this mean Lovie Smith will be available once the Bears hire a new GM?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Lovie Smith is an exception. I should have clarified by asking can anyone point to a time where the new GM who came kept the current coach AND had success the following year?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
king24 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Blister I wish you were right, but if Reggie wants to announce his HC by Saturday Grudens name would have come up by now….bad feeling it’s Allen or Morningweig.
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If Coach Gruden were to return, it would not take him long to jump right in and get cracking. He’s in the booth and already knows whats goin on in Oaktown. Prolly kept a closer eye on the Raidahs than most teams.
Bring in a loser coach from another team and all he knows is the team and the players hes had for the last season or 2.
Gruden knows his way around the halls of Alemeda and the bowels of the O.
Gruden. Only choice. Logical choice. Nothing else will be acceptable.
Put an end to the insanity and the dysfunction. Here Gruden. Its a no brainer.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Twocents Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:01 pm
If McKenzie picks Gruden then I have really misjudged the man. Gruden is the white version of Hue.
Very true.
So by getting Gruden you are getting Hue without all the bad stuff…
You know…
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
lol Duck
good job not posting the NAMES of those guys interviewed.
You probably wouldn’t be able to contain your laughter as you typed.
Or mention how no one else is interviewing most of them.
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Todd Bowles: Interviewed for multiple HC jobs, and went 2-1 as an interim head coach.
Marty Morhninweg: Former HC who’s run one of the NFL’s top offenses for half a decade.
Dennis Allen: Up-and-coming defensive coordinator whose unit showed substantial improvement with very little personnel turnover.
Winston Moss: Assistant head coach for one of the NFL’s most successful teams for several years running.
Again, these are all good candidates. But go ahead and continue to hate on anyone not named Hue Jackson or Jon Gruden. Yawn.
Pete Carmichael: OC for another of the NFL’s top offenses.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Holmgren kept Mangini. Team was actually better back then.
Good thing new Steelers GM Kevin Colbert didn’t fire little-known coach Bill Cowher in 2000.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Dear Reggie
Please hire a coach
A real HC, Jon Gruden
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Dutchraider…. you can’t let Maybe’s dictate your every move… does McKenzie really strike you as this awesome GM? ? I don’t know. . Maybe.. maybe not.. but ill admit up til now.. I’m nor very impressed by him.. but ill give him time.. I.hope he does well.. but I’m looking for results from him.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
4th and goal Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Dear Reggie
Please hire a coach
A real HC, Jon Gruden
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What is your bizarre obsession with this guy?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Former Packers HC Mike Sherman is 1st candidate to be asked to interview for Tampa Bay Buccaneers HC job for a second time, per NFL source.
8 minutes ago
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At least we aren’t getting Mike Sherman.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Duck
come on, Dennis Allen? 24th? SUBSTANTIAL? The return of Elvis Dummerville was enough to take a D from 30th to 24th.
Von Miller was kinda helpful too.
What Wade Phillis did in Texas is SUBSTANTIAL.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Tweedy, no, that is not what I’m saying. I would not hire either of them to coach my team. Don’t think they are in the top tier.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
4th and goal Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Dear Reggie
Please hire a coach
A real HC, Jon Gruden
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What is your bizarre obsession with this guy?
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Sick and tired of seeing Raiders hire and fire coaches for every reason under the sun.
Gruden has famialarity with the organization.
Not afraid to cut the cancer.
It would be national news and the nation would know the Raiders are relevant once again.
Not rocket science.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Ghost,
95.7’s promo used to have a voice saying that there was only one football team and one baseball team in the bay area, then a voice broke in and said, “not anymore”. Their actual model was to be both a Raider and Niner station. Guess that’s no more.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Who else has interviewed Winston Moss?
(crickets, crickets)
Dennis Allen interviews? (crickets)
Marty Mornhinweg interviews? (crickets)
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:08 pm
4th and goal Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Dear Reggie
Please hire a coach
A real HC, Jon Gruden
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What is your bizarre obsession with this guy?
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The guy has to be a Whiner troll. Between calling in death threats to Kyle Williams and dry heaving in the loo, the guy has to come here and post gibberish.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Colts are interviewing Chuck Pagano.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:13 pm
And, Eric Davis is a spaz. He always gets that offended look on his face when anyone is critical of the 49ers. Just a crybaby.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Outta here, good night all.
Just remember:
The guys we have interviewed have interviewed with ZERO other teams.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Who else has interviewed Winston Moss?
(crickets, crickets)
Dennis Allen interviews? (crickets)
Marty Mornhinweg interviews? (crickets)
………..
Sounds like an Al coaching search to me.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
“I had a great experience, or sentence,” Pagano said at the time regarding a prior stint with the Raiders. “Well, I can’t say sentence, a two-year sentence in Oakland. And congratulations to Hue Jackson, it’s well deserved. And he will earn every cent that they pay him. It won’t be much, but he will earn every nickel. But I had a great experience out there. And two years was plenty.”
It’s a pretty safe bet that Pagano won’t be added to the interview list with the Raiders.
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Sad but true.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
I think 2nd interviews are normally a pretty good indication that You’re the front runner for a job… atleast how it looks… Dennis Allen might be the Guy.. IMO. . Until Reggie brings someone else in for another look.. Allen’s definitely the front runner.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Well maybe zero other teams have a clue.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Ghostraiders, Mike McCoy was a second interview in Miami. He didn’t get the job.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
If Reggie is moving into the second round wouldn’t that mean he’s narrowed it down to Allen, Moss, Bowles and Morningweig?
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Yes, he’s narrowed it down to the only guys that he’s actually interviewed.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Twocents Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Well maybe zero other teams have a clue.
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The Al Davis’ way of thinking.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:20 pm
Again, Alex7 is going to hate on anyone not named Jon Gruden or Hue Jackson.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Alex, Al had his vision, it proved to be faulty. Now it is McKenzie that will shape the Raiders future. I’m betting that McKenzie has better vision.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Twocents, Al had a good vision. The only problem was it was 25 years outdated.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:24 pm
Duck, and you would hate on Gruden if he was hired. Sitting up there in the stands with your back turned, while everyone else is cheering on our first div. title since ‘02. lol.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:26 pm
570 my point was no Gruden…or anyone else is in the mix, including Dom Capers, who they reportedly just asked for permission to speak to. Not all that excited about that list, especially if Morningweig or Allen are the “front runners”.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Albert, Al had his day, going up against weak opponents.
But at some point it became all about Al and his genius, not about winning football games.
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
546.303Raider Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Lovie Smith is an exception. I should have clarified by asking can anyone point to a time where the new GM who came kept the current coach AND had success the following year?
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I don’t think you can compare our situation to most. Most GM jobs come open because the other GM gets fired, which usually happends because the team had a bad year and they want change from the top to the bottom, so firing the HC is usually what happends. We had a unique situation where the long time owner/GM Passed. Our HC had a decent year considering everything that happend in his first year as a HC.
If Reggie would of kept Hue I would of ben more than fine with it, I understand he wants his own guy and Im fine with that to.
I just don’t think its fair to compare the Raiders GM hire to any Ol’ GM hire, it is a vey unique situation, don’t you think?
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:06 pm
# marader508 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 10:20 pm
The Saints and Pats…made playoffs with good records and 30th ranked D’s….
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Uhh…those teams have top 3 QB’s in Brady and Brees….maybe….just maybe…while the Raiders had JC for half of the season and had to get Carson off of the couch mid season…plus the Raiders best offensive weapons like DMC and Ford were hurt.
You lose…
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:09 pm
# Albert Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:14 pm
“I had a great experience, or sentence,” Pagano said at the time regarding a prior stint with the Raiders. “Well, I can’t say sentence, a two-year sentence in Oakland. And congratulations to Hue Jackson, it’s well deserved. And he will earn every cent that they pay him. It won’t be much, but he will earn every nickel. But I had a great experience out there. And two years was plenty.”
It’s a pretty safe bet that Pagano won’t be added to the interview list with the Raiders.
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Sad but true.
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Proof that old man Al and Mark Davis are cheap when it comes to hiring a good to great head coach.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
alex7 Says:
January 23rd, 2012 at 6:02 pm
lol Duck
good job not posting the NAMES of those guys interviewed.
You probably wouldn’t be able to contain your laughter as you typed.
Or mention how no one else is interviewing most of them.
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Todd Bowles: Interviewed for multiple HC jobs, and went 2-1 as an interim head coach.
Marty Morhninweg: Former HC who’s run one of the NFL’s top offenses for half a decade.
Dennis Allen: Up-and-coming defensive coordinator whose unit showed substantial improvement with very little personnel turnover.
Winston Moss: Assistant head coach for one of the NFL’s most successful teams for several years running.
Again, these are all good candidates. But go ahead and continue to hate on anyone not named Hue Jackson or Jon Gruden. Yawn.
Pete Carmichael: OC for another of the NFL’s top offenses.
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It’s funny none of these alleged “hot” candidates got a sniff from other teams except Bowles in Miami and that was too satisfy Rooney Rule.
January 23rd, 2012 at 11:15 pm
Told you all there was slim pickens out there regarding actual REAL candidates to replace Hue, not named Cowher, Fisher or Gruden.
The bad retreads list, Morning, Tice and Capers makes me want to puke and the psuedo coordinators like Carmichael, Bowles and Allen or terrible REACHES!!
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