Raiders make Allen’s hire official
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, January 27th, 2012 at 10:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
Common knowledge became official Friday when Dennis Allen was named head coach of the Raiders.
The Raiders issued a press release announcing a press conference to introduce Allen on Monday at noon at the club facility in Alameda.
Allen, 39, replaces Hue Jackson, fired by general manager Reggie McKenzie after an 8-8 season, with McKenzie saying he wanted to hire his “own guy.’’
No contract terms were revealed, although Comcast SportsNet Bay Area reported it as a four-year deal.
Allen has essentially been in place as the head coach since Tuesday night, when he and McKenzie reached a handshake agreement.
The Denver Broncos had already acknowledged Allen’s departure, with coach John Fox telling the Denver Post Wednesday it was a “great opportunity’’ for a defensive coordinator hired only a year ago.
The first coach with a defensive background hired by the Raiders since Al Davis hired John Madden in 1969, McKenzie will look to Allen to bring stability to an organization which will have its 10th different head coach since returning to Oakland in 1995 and the seventh over the past 10 seasons.
McKenzie said at the press conference announcing his hiring as general manager that the structure will be similar to what he experienced for 17 seasons working for the Green Bay Packers.
Allen will have complete control of the on-field operations such as practice schedules, choosing starting lineups and playing time and systems of offensive and defensive football.
He will have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff, which may or may not include some members of Jackson’s staff. Two coaches _ defensive line coach Mike Waufle and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal _ have moved on to the Rams and Jets.
When owner Al Davis was operating as GM, he had final say on assistant coaches and hired some himself, determined active and inactive players each week on game day and had ideas he wanted implemented, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Fox issued the following in a press release:
“I couldn’t be happier for Dennis with his new opportunity to become head coach of the Raiders,” Fox said. “He did a terrific job as our defensive coordinator, and I am not surprised that people around the NFL took notice of the role he played in our success.
“He’s a sharp guy who knows football, has a way of relating to his players and carries himself very well. Dennis is a strong motivator and teacher with an aggressive style of coaching. He will approach the job with tremendous energy and passion to get the most out of his team. His thorough understanding of defense, from the back to the front, and his ability to teach fundamentally and assignment-wise really helped us get better. He’s been around a lot of good people during his NFL career and has a very bright future ahead of him.
“I am thrilled for Dennis, his wife Alisson, and the entire Allen family, and I wish them all the best in Oakland.”
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January 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
FIRST !!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
WHOOO HOOOO
January 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
To demand no political speech is a political stance in and of itself. It preserves the status quo. Banning political speech is a conservative stance. Politics is change by its very definition. No politics, no change.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
A new era, folks.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Real Talk Sully these gentelmen keep talking bout Marks hair but I know what they are really trying to say Real Talk the main colprate is JaMists and Method Real Talk I think they are upset over Marks display of his ability to grow nice clean long healthy Blond hair
Real Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
olinesux still stuck on his man-crush for the expensive and hard-to-run-successfully 4-3 defense.
Get over it. Like 90% of the teams in the playoffs employ a mix of mostly 3-4, 2-4-5 looks for a reason.
It’s HARD and eventually EXPENSIVE to find the Srahan, Tuck, Osi, Pierre-Paul pass-rushers to make a 4-3 work.
Giants O got them to the SB (and dropped GB passes). It’s like crediting the Ravens offense when they made the SB.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Does anyone know the contract status of CWOOD??? When we blow out the overpaid Huff, maybe he comes back for a swan song? Isn’t he due a roster bonus from GB soon?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
To demand no political speech is a political stance in and of itself. It preserves the status quo. Banning political speech is a conservative stance. Politics is change by its very definition. No politics, no change.
Real Talk Sullu you make the same argument against the demand to not voice ones opinion on other matters like Gender Creed Age Tribe Weight Social Calss you know what I’m sayin Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Saying ‘real talk’ 46 times per comment is not likely to make anyone think your drivel is any more compelling or interesting…
January 27th, 2012 at 10:11 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Saying ‘real talk’ 46 times per comment is not likely to make anyone think your drivel is any more compelling or interesting
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Besides that I was under the impression that Cork was refering to the Racial rants, particularly the ones from Tweey. Thats how I interpreted it. Not politics.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Tweedy aka “Real Talk”
January 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
“When owner Al Davis was operating as GM, he had final say on assistant coaches and hired some himself, determined active and inactive players each week on game day and had ideas he wanted implemented, especially on the defensive side of the ball.”
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Gah! I didn’t know it was that bad. No wonder so many guys refused to come here. If you can’t even control who your active and inactive players are…?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Does this eliminate the possibility of Winston Moss coming to Oakland in any capacity?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Giants O got them to the SB (and dropped GB passes). It’s like crediting the Ravens offense when they made the SB.
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QB always gets credit and takes the blame with the unknowledgeable fan. Had KW not fumbled and Giants end up losing, story line would have been ‘Manning unable to beat Niners D’.
You see it in here all the time. Propaganda-slinging goons attaching records to QBs like they are the only ones on the field and blaming QBs for not having a perfect game when really the D let the team down.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Let the new regime begin!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
chet_gordon Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Does this eliminate the possibility of Winston Moss coming to Oakland in any capacity?
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I would assume so. Shrug.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Not true. Tolefson was a practice squader here who couldn’t crack the roster, and he is playing a heavy rotation in NY right now.
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Agreed. I was referring to the current defensive roster. Tolefson and Boothe are former Raiders that get lots of playing time there. We cut both of them too.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Let me guess, there are going to be a lot of “We’re going to work hard.”, “Everyone will have to earn their job.” and “We expect to win Super Bowls here.” with other tired platitudes sprinkled in. When you’re doing one of these introductions pretty much every year, the proclamations tend to blend into each other. Hope he’s good, but whose to say…
January 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Real Talk those of you talkin all that political stuff have been warned It will not be tolerated any longer if you wanna voice your political opinion go on Rush Limbaugh’s blog just leav us raider fan alone Real Talk
Becker and Cork have spoken “no more non raider talk” it will not be tolerated Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Let’s hope RM and DA put mad work in the get this organization back on top! So far all I heard were good things said but recommendation and such don’t mean sh@t! RM and DA have no merit so they better due diligence and get this sideshow on the right track!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Gah! I didn’t know it was that bad. No wonder so many guys refused to come here. If you can’t even control who your active and inactive players are…?
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Yep, that’s the ugly truth of how things were. Al has now been replaced by Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen, and you’ve got to think they will do better
January 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Gah! I didn’t know it was that bad. No wonder so many guys refused to come here. If you can’t even control who your active and inactive players are…?
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Yup. That’s why guys like Sean Payton and Ken Wisenhunt turned us down. We kept on getting rejects for all these years. Getting an up and comer like Allen is a totally new for our team.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I have a “gut” feeling that I have not had for many years. I remember when Raider fans always felt like we had a chance, even if it took a miracle. Old school Raider football. We got this and we are gonna be competitive for the next decade. Book it!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Uhhh Real Talk, Cork and Becker said that YOUR racial rants and bigotry, and the disgusting sexual comments about sandusky will no longer be tolerated.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:19 am
83.Deja vu Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:45 am
The more things change, the more they stay the same.
I mean, why do the Raiders take their time in reporting everything? Always a big secret, denying reports only to announce a week or 2 later. I thought they would be more fan friendly after Al passed.
Why no official announcement of Allen? Reggie has been back since yesterday from what i read.
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I can’t wait until Herrera and the rest of the old man Al cronies in the building are fired.
Steve Wyche was on Sac station The Fan with Grant yesterday and he was talking about how McK will be cleaning house and the old Cronism that has been holding the Raiders down in the front office, PR dept and within the coaching will be long gone!
A nice breath of fresh air is finally coming to this franchise.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Well, The Niners O also couldn’t beat the Giants D…so its kinda a wash. It was said that whichever D comes up with the turnover will win! And that D was on special teams!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Uhhh Real Talk, Cork and Becker said that YOUR racial rants and bigotry, and the disgusting sexual comments about sandusky will no longer be tolerated
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That is how I read it also. If the shoe fits!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Jesusraider
we will continue to be competitive only if Palmer and DMac stay healthy.
If either of those things don’t happen, we’ll be at 6-10 next year.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Assuming Saunders stays, I hope he is a bigger fan of Kevin Boss than Hugh was.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Ha Hwndr
turnovers are more helpful if you score points afterwards.
Debate is fun
Either way, evidence shows a 3-4 defense is more cost-effective and typically flexible enough to spearhead about 80% of the top defenses.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
It will be interesting to see who is brought in to back up Palmer. Jordan Palmer? LOL. We know Boller won’t be back. Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
“I can’t wait until Herrera and the rest of the old man Al cronies in the building are fired.”
Some of those cronies are the best in the business believe it or not. Yes gut out the trash but keep da hidden gems
January 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Alex
That is true but it is more the feeling of hope and optimism that is pumpin me up. We need to get alot of pieces and a good back-up QB to groom for the future. I got hope and i like the feeling that’s all!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Chet
If Boss’ targets go up, aren’t you taking targets away from McFadden, Reece, DHB, Ford, and Moore?
Is that, simply by numbers, a good thing?
I don’t want more plays dialed up for Boss at the expense of those other guys who are bigger playmakers.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Let the new regime begin!
Real Talk hwnrdr. All Hail Mark Davis
January 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If DMAC and Palmer stay healthy next year, I’m willing to buy the blog a round of brewskis to celebrate our Super Bowl victory.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
True jim, it’s a great feeling having more people involved in decision-making now.
I was going to have the same feeling whether Hue was running free agency and the draft, or McKenzie.
It’s all good, but we need to stay healthy to take the AFC West.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:27 am
After watching akll these playoff teams I do not ubderstand how any coach can’t see that TE is invaluable to O production. The TE’s on those teams were huge factors. Hell even teams that played against us burned us with TE play
January 27th, 2012 at 10:27 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Agree with you on Pryor. Al’s final big draft mistake. Reggie should unload him for whatever he can get (4th rounder?)
January 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am
WOW this is exciting big talk. I am on the edge of my seat!!!! : )
8 and 8 book it!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Yeah me too. I personally did not care if Hue stayed or went. I do think he handled his business poorly and did not hold hisself accountable for the D collapse but I was willin to get on boartd with whatever the new GM wanted. I like the new hire. He could be the next big thing, we will see
January 27th, 2012 at 10:31 am
chet_gordon Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Assuming Saunders stays, I hope he is a bigger fan of Kevin Boss than Hugh was.
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He did pretty well for Tony Gonzales in KC
January 27th, 2012 at 10:31 am
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January 27th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Neither Gronkowski nor Finley (GB) had big games against us.
Belichick has constantly had a TE-led offense. When he had Moss, that changed.
We have better WR talent than TE talent, so we threw more to our WRs.
It worked well-enough. No need to force anything.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:31 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If DMAC and Palmer stay healthy next year, I’m willing to buy the blog a round of brewskis to celebrate our Super Bowl victory.
Thanks Big B I’ll take a Stella Artois, JaMista and Method will take a Miller
Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Technically, he already did
The kid has talent running the ball. If our staff can’t find ways to use that kind of strength/speed, it would be a disservice to our team.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Hurrah for the previous post! Hopefully it will be followed through with.
GO RAIDERS!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Thanks big banana.. Miller Lite for me !!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
38.jesusraiderjim Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:27 am
After watching akll these playoff teams I do not ubderstand how any coach can’t see that TE is invaluable to O production. The TE’s on those teams were huge factors. Hell even teams that played against us burned us with TE play
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I agree the TE is an important part of the offensive scheme now. It is to bad Boss was hurt all year and was replaced by one of the best catching TEs in the league in Zach Miller. I really think Zach was the biggest loss in free agency. He always made a big catch for us. I mean he was even productive during the J Russell bust! Was one step away from probowl status.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Real talk. Go play in traffic. Real talk.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
This just received:
The Oakland Raiders will introduce Dennis Allen as Head Coach on Monday, January 30th at 12:00 pm Pacific time.
You may watch the press conference live on raiders.com.
Season Ticket and Suite Holders will have the exclusive opportunity to submit a question which may be asked of Coach Allen during the press conference. Questions must be submitted to askcoach@raiders.com by 5:00 Pacific time on Saturday, January 28th — please include your full name with your submission. We will select several of your questions to be asked of Coach Allen during the press conference.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I don’t think its as much the political banter as it is the racial slurs and attacks on people that are personal.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Hell its 1:35 here in Maryland.. think i will crack open a cold now !!!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
46.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Technically, he already did The kid has talent running the ball. If our staff can’t find ways to use that kind of strength/speed, it would be a disservice to our team.
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I thought the same thing until I was able to witness what Tebow was able to do in Denver. TP is as big, as smart, and as athletic. Plus, he throws a better deep ball. Had issue in college throwing an out pattern, no way I waste this kids talent.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Yo yo yo – Vote YES in the LA Times poll!
Gots to bring da boyz back to their rightful home in LA! I’ve got my premier luxury box already reserved at Farmer’s Field to witness “The return to Greatness” (patent pending).
Margaritas and jalapeno poppers be flowin’ whut whut
And b sure to check out my new rap album Wrecks N Effect, dropping soon, word
January 27th, 2012 at 10:38 am
PlunkforHOF Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Hurrah for the previous post! Hopefully it will be followed through with.
GO RAIDERS!
Hurrah Plunk it is about time we stop ALL of this non- Raider talk in here especially the offensive political hum
January 27th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I think our secondary will be mostly the same:
Routt Chekwa Van Dyke vet FA
Branch/Mitchell or another backup
Huff/Gio or Eugene or another backup
but I think our front 7 could be drastically different.
Curry’s gone, too expensive
Wimbley should become strickly DE on passing downs
we should look for two starting lbs alongside Mcclain (Goethel backup)
Shaughnessey DE
should sign NT
have 3 guys that basically play same position:
Kelly: excellent pass rush, plenty of gas left, my guess is he’s tradeable
Seymour: runnin on empty, tough to move due to contract
Houston: stout vs run, meanstreak, tradeable
Bryant: Like him as DE on run downs can play inside in a pinch but will we resign him or just play Houston at DE?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
It will be interesting to see who is brought in to back up Palmer. Jordan Palmer? LOL. We know Boller won’t be back. Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Link? Source?
#1 Carson Palmer
#2 Terrelle Pryor
#3 who cares? – might as well be Jordan Palmer, Kyle Boller, Trent Edwards, J.P. Losman or Josh McCown
January 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Alex7
Those are all very good points, I guess I didn’t think of it that way.
I was very encouraged by Moore’s rookie season, and DHB’s emergence. I definitely want to see them continue to produce.
And if DMAC and Ford can stay healthy, then I also hope they get the ball as often as possible.
I suppose after years of getting carved up by guys like Gates and Gonzalez (when they were in our division), I always wanted a serious tight end threat of our own. I was initially bummed when Miller headed to Seattle, but was relived when it seemed that we actually “upgraded” with Boss.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Hell its 1:35 here in Maryland.. think i will crack open a cold now !!!
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It’s 10:40 here on the west coast. I’ll join ya. Cheers!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Agree with you on Pryor. Al’s final big draft mistake. Reggie should unload him for whatever he can get (4th rounder?)
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SR,
seriously ???
I don’t get the Pryor hate.
SR + BCZ = racist?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Funny is that Josh McCown played pretty good against GB on Christmas night!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
I thought the same thing until I was able to witness what Tebow was able to do in Denver. TP is as big, as smart, and as athletic. Plus, he throws a better deep ball. Had issue in college throwing an out pattern, no way I waste this kids talent.
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Tebow is on another level than Pryor (Tebow won the Heisman for a reason), and his game is only barely NFL quality. The success of running QB’s diminishes rapidly once you step down from the elites (Newton, Vick)
January 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Curry’s contract will be re-done and he’ll be kept here.
He’s our best linebacker. We’re not going to find 3 new, better LBers in one off-season.
He also has the ability to be an emotional leader out there.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
46.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Technically, he already did The kid has talent running the ball. If our staff can’t find ways to use that kind of strength/speed, it would be a disservice to our team.
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I thought the same thing until I was able to witness what Tebow was able to do in Denver. TP is as big, as smart, and as athletic. Plus, he throws a better deep ball. Had issue in college throwing an out pattern, no way I waste this kids talent.
Real Talk CJ but there is something about Terrell Pryor that makes me think he is NOT as smart as Tebow I can’t quite put my finger on it…
Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Not going to sugar coat it. I hate our entire defense. Don’t get me wrong Chekwa, DVD, shag-nasty, Houston has a lot of up side. But to many guys not worth their contracts for me. Not enough push up front for a line so massive, not enough INTS, not enough run stoppers…Stupid bone headed mistakes. Mentally weak all around. Yeah, I want to vomit just thinking about this D. I am not negative just honest man. I wish I could be convinced otherwise.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I bet Curry cant count to 100 but he does make plays. No presser with Allen?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The TE was for all intents & purposes ignored in Hues game plan. He controlled this limitation by the plays he called. Granted, Boss was injured during a portion of the season but, IMO, he was significantly underutilized. Hue was always looking for the bomb to be delivered and he, for whatever reasons, did not equate TE’s with bomb retrieval. That was our teams loss. Hopefully, Al Saunders, assuming he is kept on staff as OC, will re-involve the TE in our offense. Boss has the ability to be a game-changer. I believe his use could easily equate to an additional 1 or 2 game wins. And, by involving the TE more, our WR’s should get open more often. The net result should be more points and more wins.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Allen’s presser is at noon on Monday!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Not going to sugar coat it. I hate our entire defense. Don’t get me wrong Chekwa, DVD, shag-nasty, Houston has a lot of up side. But to many guys not worth their contracts for me. Not enough push up front for a line so massive, not enough INTS, not enough run stoppers…Stupid bone headed mistakes. Mentally weak all around. Yeah, I want to vomit just thinking about this D. I am not negative just honest man. I wish I could be convinced otherwise.
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That’s where Allen is going to help. A TON.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Chet,
just like Jermichael Finley in GB, a good TE is a great option to have, but doesn’t need to be force-fed.
When we DID go to Boss, he made some outstanding catches.
I look forward to more of the same if his health improves, or is Ausberry develops.
Spread the D with our 3 and 4 solid WRs, and when the time comes, our TEs will make plays. It is an important position.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
13.chet_gordon Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Does this eliminate the possibility of Winston Moss coming to Oakland in any capacity?
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I think it does. Yes. Moss aint coming here.
Coordinators and assistant coaches I would like to see on this Raider that have may or may not have ties to Allen to McK:
Ed Donatell as DC/Asst Head Coach
Todd Bowles as DC/Asst Head Coach
Al Saunders as OC
Rick Dennison as OC/Asst Head Coach
Aaron Kromer as OLine coach/Running Game Coordinator or as OC/Asst Head Coach
Travis Jones as DLine coach
Bob Wylie and Wiz as OLine coaches
Carter Sheridan as WR coach
January 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am
good points CJ.
Think about how RARELY we saw our D-line doing end-twists, DT stunts, lining up heavy on one side…
It was almost always a basic set up and a basic straight ahead rush.
Despite last year’s sack total, I’m glad we’ll have a new D-line coach this year.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:47 am
If Branch is not resigned, Mike Mitchell becomes next man up. Could Allen find a role for MM34 to earn a starting spot? I could see him being a Roman Harper type.
He showed he could get into position to make plays with his speed, can he bring the bang he showed in college?
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Possible OC Candidates:
Al Saunders
Joe Lombardi
Marty Morhninweg (depending on his current contract status and/or his club’s willingness to let him walk)
Pete Carmichael (ditto)
Tom Walsh (Yes, I kid)
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Agree with you on Pryor. Al’s final big draft mistake. Reggie should unload him for whatever he can get (4th rounder?)
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SR,
seriously ???
I don’t get the Pryor hate.
SR + BCZ = rcist?
Real Talk RR you know they are it is all part of their political agenda Real Talk
Pryor is gonna be a great NFL player
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
SR,
seriously ???
I don’t get the Pryor hate.
SR + BCZ = racist?
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See my previous post. I watch a lot of college ball (more than pros), and Pryor never impressed me. Every time he needed a big play, he ran the ball. He was good at it, so was very successful, but it’s not a strategy that works in the NFL unless you’re superfast like Vick.
Regarding racism – c’mon. Tim Couch was white and had exactly the same problem. Cam Newton on the other hand is amazing and will probably win the SB if he doesn’t get hurt first.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
CHEERS !!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
JB
regardless of what you thought about our TE use, it was NOT a loss to our team.
We were top-5 in offense until JC went down, and played well enough once Palmer got 50% comfortable.
Our passing game was NOT an issue. At all.
Boss made plays when called upon, our WRs did as well.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
65.John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
46.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Pryor will never take a snap as QB for us in a regular season game.
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Technically, he already did The kid has talent running the ball. If our staff can’t find ways to use that kind of strength/speed, it would be a disservice to our team.
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I thought the same thing until I was able to witness what Tebow was able to do in Denver. TP is as big, as smart, and as athletic. Plus, he throws a better deep ball. Had issue in college throwing an out pattern, no way I waste this kids talent.
Real Talk CJ but there is something about Terrell Pryor that makes me think he is NOT as smart as Tebow I can’t quite put my finger on it…
Real Talk
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I watched Pryor play for four years in college. I only missed about three games or so. He can make some quick decisions with the ball, and smart ones. For a running QB he always knew when to pass annd when to tuck it away and go. He did not throw a lot of INTs in key situations and amazingly he did this with bad mecanics his freshman and sophmore years.
Now Tebow may have more chrisma and leadership skills based on what we have heard so far. But besides Pryors bone haed moves with the whole tatts for gear scandle, he never got into deviant trouble off the field. Pryor was treated like a little god here in Columbus, OH so I was not surpised with what went down.
No, he is a smart kid.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Speaking of Cam…I know he is world’s better than Tebow…but if Allen (you would think) knows how to stop Tebow…would he be able to slow down Cam? Just saying since we do play Carolina this year!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Not going to sugar coat it. I hate our entire defense. Don’t get me wrong Chekwa, DVD, shag-nasty, Houston has a lot of up side. But to many guys not worth their contracts for me. Not enough push up front for a line so massive, not enough INTS, not enough run stoppers…Stupid bone headed mistakes. Mentally weak all around. Yeah, I want to vomit just thinking about this D. I am not negative just honest man. I wish I could be convinced otherwise.
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That’s where Allen is going to help. A TON.
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Just the upgrade in coaching on the defense should amount to at least 1 or 2 more wins. As long as the offense does not regress.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
MistaBrown Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
I bet Curry cant count to 100 but he does make plays. No presser with Allen?
Real Talk Masta but why is it Curry can’t count to 100 what is it with him that makes him an above average athlete but low real intelligence
Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
66.CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Not going to sugar coat it. I hate our entire defense. Don’t get me wrong Chekwa, DVD, shag-nasty, Houston has a lot of up side. But to many guys not worth their contracts for me. Not enough push up front for a line so massive, not enough INTS, not enough run stoppers…Stupid bone headed mistakes. Mentally weak all around. Yeah, I want to vomit just thinking about this D. I am not negative just honest man. I wish I could be convinced otherwise.
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That’s what I think is going to happen. Guys with the big undeserved contracts are going to have to RESTRUCTURE DOWN those contracts big time or risk being traded or released if it makes sense to provide cap relief.
I think Wimbley is staying on this team regardless and I think Allen and his DC will decide to move him to the full time RDE position and let him concentrate on getting to the QB, causing disruption in the backfield and coach him up on holding the edge on runnning plays to his side.
Who knows what they may decide to do with Seymour butts and Huff. I wouldn’t be surprised if they try and trade Huff for a 3rd round pick to the Cowboys or something. The Cowboys need secondary help…BADLY!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
defense is 20% choaching/scheme and 80% attitude
and if we dont have the players wit the attitude of the other team iz gonna earn every yard they get and when they do get the yards they will pay the price than we wont be nothing but average on Dee
hate to say it but…
look cross the bay at that other defense…
they are nasty
fly to the ball
and they make you pay
anddddddd
they have attitude!!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Alex7
I just think our overall results would have been better if the TE was more involved in the passing game last year – especially in the red-zone.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
OG wherever you may be
I was wrong about Hue and the Ravens unless he becomes their QB Coach again. They announced that Cam Cameron will be staying…
January 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Pryor is gonna be a great NFL player
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JT,
I don’t know about “great” , but definately NFL calibur
I think his floor his Jason Campbell, David Garrard & Byron Leftwich.
I think his ceiling is Steve McNair, Donovan McNabb & Daunte Culpepper (before the shredded knee)
January 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Just to clarify on Pryor – I don’t hate the man himself, I just think he’s overrated due to the team he was on. Doesn’t feel like a guy that can win the SB for us
January 27th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Link? Source?
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I don’t need a link or a source to prove my opinion. Its my opinion. The source is me typing it… and I really don’t appreciate you calling me a racist for saying I don’t like Pryor.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
SR,
I’m not a fan of Cam Newton. He’s overrated.
I think Pryor can be every bit as good as that guy and he we paid MUCH LESS for him …
January 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
#50!!! I will state simply on this RAIDER FOOTBALL BLOG, The Monday presser will be the actual date that the new regime starts the new era of RAIDER Football.
FWIW, Political discourse should be taking place on a site where it is THE Underlying Topic and reason for the blogs existence.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Can anyone be more jaded and apathetic about a new coach hire than Raider Fan? I mean, How many of these announcements and press conferences have we seen over the past 12 years, how many times have we heard the same cliche’s over and over and over again…
Im not even going to watch it..I have seen this movie too many times.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Whoever taught John Tweedy the words “real talk”, can you please pick up the white courtesy phone with the explosives rigged to it? And can you please bring your student to the phone with you?? Please and thanks.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I think Pryor can be every bit as good as that guy [Newton] and he we paid MUCH LESS for him …
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If you’re right then I would be stoked, and gladly buy you a beer or two. You do know that Cam set all kinds of records for rookie QB’s?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Reggie seems to be a deliberate guy. I think he’ll give Pryor a fair shot.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:02 am
little alex still wants to turn he raiders into an average “take what you want” team with zones…he like seein rolondo in the deep middle covering 4.3 reciever speed…
January 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I’m not a fan of Cam Newton. He’s overrated.
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Rockstar = Racist?
Cam Newton set the passing yardage all time rookie record, single season rushing td record by a QB and took the leagues worst offense and had it in the top 10, and made a pathetic franchise into a competitive on. If they didn’t have all the injuries on defense they would have competed for the playoffs in his rookie year too. Hardly over-rated. I would say, if anything he was UNDER-rated
If Pryor does the same thing I will hapily eat a hearty portion of crow.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am
85.REALLIONAIREB Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
defense is 20% choaching/scheme and 80% attitude
and if we dont have the players wit the attitude of the other team iz gonna earn every yard they get and when they do get the yards they will pay the price than we wont be nothing but average on Dee
hate to say it but…
look cross the bay at that other defense…
they are nasty
fly to the ball
and they make you pay
anddddddd
they have attitude!!!!
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I think these days it’s a 60-40 or even 50-50
Need solid schemes and coaching these days and need good D coaches who can make adjustments quickly.
Especially now since the NFL favors the offense these days.
DC’s and D coaches and D players need to all be on point and on the same page even more so now in this day and age of NFL football.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Pryor threw for a less than 50% completion rate and more INTs than TDs vs:
USC, Miami, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn St.
you know, real defenses.
That didn’t happen to guys like McNabb and Campbell in college. Most QBs jump a round in the draft, based on the premium of the QB position. There’s a reason no one took Pryor.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Cam Newton throws a better ball than Pryor and Cam also has better mechanics.
Pryor has work to do when it comes footwork and throwing mechanics to get to where Cam is at now.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am
lol at olinesux
our very own HC has talked about a bend but don’t break defense.
a 3-4 D would actually allow McClain to NOT have to cover the deep middle very often. Nerd.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:07 am
77.SR Raider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
SR,
seriously ???
I don’t get the Pryor hate.
SR + BCZ = racist?
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See my previous post. I watch a lot of college ball (more than pros), and Pryor never impressed me. Every time he needed a big play, he ran the ball. He was good at it, so was very successful, but it’s not a strategy that works in the NFL unless you’re superfast like Vick.
Regarding racism – c’mon. Tim Couch was white and had exactly the same problem. Cam Newton on the other hand is amazing and will probably win the SB if he doesn’t get hurt first.
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I am not geting into the whole race thing because it is a childish waste of time. But I will say I watched Pryor play and he did rely on his legs a lot, however he did learn how to throw the ball when needed. He is not a pure running QB. Now, he does not put alot on the ball and that may hurt him in the pro game. But he is a talented and smart young man.
If you want to see him use some play action and make some big plays throwing the ball go back to when he played Arkansas in the Sugarbowl. Arkansas had a very quick defense that year. Great game plan by Tressel. TP ran the action pass to death. 336 total yards that game and guess what 221 yards were passes. That is Cam Newton like college stats. This game is what moved TP up in the draft and made him such a steal when we took him. To bad he did not have one more year to improve, but if he did he would have never been a Raider. Good prospect for the money.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:07 am
lol @ Munster!
What does being deliberate have to do with Pryor getting a fair shot? If Pryor can play he will stay if not he will get bounced. He will get a fair shot because it doesn’t cost the org 1 dime to do so.
By the way Reggie’s gut will tell him what to do!
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KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Reggie seems to be a deliberate guy. I think he’ll give Pryor a fair shot.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Dennis Allen will pick his assistants! Reggie Mac will look for football talent (as opposed to Usain Bolt wanabees). the coaches will decide the defensive system and playcalling!
Im fired up! Best offseason in ages!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Dennis Allen and his DC and D coaches are going to have to teach the players on D to be SCHEME DIVERSE AND BE ABLE TO ADAPT QUICKLY.
That has been a MAJOR problem with Raiders defenses the for quit sometime.
Lack of scheme diversity and the players and coaches inability to make necessary adjustments quickly.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:10 am
100.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Pryor threw for a less than 50% completion rate and more INTs than TDs vs:
USC, Miami, Iowa, Wisconsin, Penn St.
you know, real defenses.
That didn’t happen to guys like McNabb and Campbell in college. Most QBs jump a round in the draft, based on the premium of the QB position. There’s a reason no one took Pryor.
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yeah, if you recall the reson was because they could not take Pryor. They never let him enter the draft. If Pryor could have played his last season at OSU no doubt in my mind he would have been a number one pick. I am not a real Pryor fan but I will give him that. But it is hard to be compared to Cam. Cam is off the freakin charts!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am
nerd? lol…yeah keep banging the 3-4 drum…cuz we havent seen rolondo, wimbley or curry in zone coverage enough…
January 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
“When owner Al Davis was operating as GM, he had final say on assistant coaches and hired some himself, determined active and inactive players each week on game day and had ideas he wanted implemented, especially on the defensive side of the ball.”
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Gah! I didn’t know it was that bad. No wonder so many guys refused to come here. If you can’t even control who your active and inactive players are…?
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Dude, you must be the only one. Davis damn near killed the very thing he loved.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
91.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:56 am
SR,
I’m not a fan of Cam Newton. He’s overrated.
I think Pryor can be every bit as good as that guy and he we paid MUCH LESS for him …
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RR – You are my boy but you are freakn crazy on this one!!!!
Stats don’t lie rookie record baby it is in the books!
Cam is a freak!!! If any other QB was gifted to run as fast as Cam and pass as well as Cam they would be on cloud 9 as well. Cam is sick!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Forrest Hump Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Whoever taught John Tweedy the words “real talk”, can you please pick up the white courtesy phone with the explosives rigged to it? And can you please bring your student to the phone with you?? Please and thanks.
Hey Becker you getting this guy? You said these type of personal attacks would not be tolerated Real Talk this is your first test what are you gonna do about it Real Talk
If you do nothing everyone here will know you are not serious and will go back to forcing their political and racial agenda on your readers Real Talk
So what’s it gonna be real talk whatcha gonna do Brother
January 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I don’t need a link or a source to prove my opinion. Its my opinion. The source is me typing it… and I really don’t appreciate you calling me a racist for saying I don’t like Pryor.
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BCZ,
Pryor really hasn’t done anything (right or wrong)
People saying that he sucks and he’ll never be an NFL QB must have some hidden agenda imo. As a Raider fan, I would hope that you’d root for a youngster thats only 22 years old who hasn’t even been given a shot to fly or flop
2007 Hall Trophy (U.S. Army Player of the Year)
2007 PARADE National Player of the Year and All-American
2008 Pete Dawkins Trophy (U.S. Army All-American Bowl MVP)
2008 U.S. Army All-American MVP
2008 Big Ten Freshman of the Year (coaches)
2008 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)
2009 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl Sportsmanship Award
2009 Big Ten Preseason Player of the Year
2009 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (media)
2010 Rose Bowl MVP
2010 All-Big Ten Honorable Mention (coaches and media)
2010 Big Ten MVP runner-up
2011 Miller-Digby Award
your opinion sucks. I hope he makes you choke on those words, but you’re probably hoping he fails so that you can come in here and say you were right …
January 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Dennis Allen will pick his assistants! Reggie Mac will look for football talent (as opposed to Usain Bolt wanabees). the coaches will decide the defensive system and playcalling!
Im fired up! Best offseason in ages!
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Yes sir.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
If Pryor can play he will give himself a fair shot!!!
Talent and production does not ride the bench!
And will not get traded for nothing to the Patriots like a DB I know, who just helped those guys get into the superbowl like Sterling Moore. Watch him be the Superbowl MVP with our luck. LMAO!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
I’m starting to Real Talk get hypnotized on here Real Talk by subliminal messaging Real Talk and can’t seem to snap out of it..
January 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am
The Carolina Panthers O ranks 9th in total yds, 13th in pass yds, and 3rd in rushing.
Cam was a rookie.
How the hell can he be overrated? he runs one of the top O in the league, passes, runs, scores a bunch, even is fun to watch.
that kid is worth every frigin cent he is gettin paid.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Handshake agreement, came through.
It is great to know Reggie & Dennis are men of their word.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Classy answer by JFox.
The multiple votes of confidence lead me to believe (hope) for great things on the horizon. Bringing stability, accountability, and structure to the Raiders – Allen is exactly what the doctor ordered.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I have a bad feeling Allen will not retain Al Saunders a O coordinator. .. I think he’s getting rid of all of them. Even the coaches who did their job like Steve wisniewski..hope he keeps atleast these two..
January 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
RR – not rooting against Pryor, just skeptical about his chances of success in the NFL. It would be freaking great if he could come in and successfully back up Palmer
January 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Cant wait to know what happens to suanders, if he isnt the oc the prognosis wont be good for mr. stop gap, carson palmer.
For the record there is no comparison between newton and pryor. They have completely different games. cam has always been a pass first qb, only people got caught up in his amazing athletic ability to run, and looked to discredit his passing, with all of the opld stand bys. spread offense, hes an athlete playing qb, cant read the defense, isnt a leader and so on. Truly laughable. Cam proved it so on the field by destroying all time records as a rookie both passing and running. He has changed the paradigm for the nfl qb once and for all.
Pryor was a good pick up, because of how he was aquired. We dont lose anything if he washes out. Im eager to see if he can cut it passing as a pro, but im confident he can at least be as good as tebow, if an offense is built for him to do such. i have doubts on if he would be accurate enough to run the offense that jc did. this all adds to the intrigue of who will run the offense and what kind will it be?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Ghostraiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
I have a bad feeling Allen will not retain Al Saunders a O coordinator. .. I think he’s getting rid of all of them. Even the coaches who did their job like Steve wisniewski..hope he keeps atleast these two..
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I agree. I really hope Wisniewski stays, and to a lesser extent Saunders, and Woodson
January 27th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’ve heard handshake contracts are not binding unless you spit on it. you think reggie and dennis went for the wet handshake?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Very curious to see what the new HC’s thoughts on offense are. Hope they ask that at the presser
January 27th, 2012 at 11:26 am
112.. Lmao! ! Good post rockstar. .. classic! ! He sucks because al davis picked him… LOL.. and he sucks because the media says so… I think he’s going to be a solid qb somewhere. . Hopefully here in Oakland.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:27 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Handshake agreement, came through.
It is great to know Reggie & Dennis are men of their word.
Bur are Becker and Corky Men of their words Real Talk until post 94 is removed and the poster is blocked we have no choice but to believe they are NOT Men of their words at all Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Hey Tweedy,
Real talk. Go away. Real Talk. No one here likes you. Real talk. Saying that every 2 sentences doesnt make anyone take you seriously. Real talk. Take some english classes and learn some more useful phrases. Real talk.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:28 am
If we have to wait until Monday for Allen’s introduction, it would be nice if he has made some decisions regarding his staff to announce by that time.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
BCZ,
Pryor really hasn’t done anything (right or wrong)
People saying that he sucks and he’ll never be an NFL QB must have some hidden agenda imo. As a Raider fan, I would hope that you’d root for a youngster thats only 22 years old who hasn’t even been given a shot to fly or flop
your opinion sucks. I hope he makes you choke on those words, but you’re probably hoping he fails so that you can come in here and say you were right …
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This is all complete bullsh1t. I have no hidden agenda at all, I have been very upfront since BEFORE we took pryor, from what I have seen I don’t think he will be an NFL calibur QB. People MUCH more knowledgable in the game of football than you or I tend to agree. Theres no agenda at all and I will NEVER root for ANY player in the Silver and Black to fail just to come here and say I told you so. Sorry but none of you mean that much to me that I would sacrifice something I love (the Raiders and winning) to prove a point. I could care less if my opinion is valued or respected here. I come here to trade opinions and ideas with people who have a common interest.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Pryor was a good pick up, because of how he was aquired. We dont lose anything if he washes out. Im eager to see if he can cut it passing as a pro, but im confident he can at least be as good as tebow, if an offense is built for him to do such. i have doubts on if he would be accurate enough to run the offense that jc did. this all adds to the intrigue of who will run the offense and what kind will it be?
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He’s going to have to be a whole lot better than Tebow throwing the ball, or he ain’t gonna be an NFL quarterback.
He’s also going to have to perform in something other than the offense the Broncos ran for Timmy. Tebow was getting beaten to a pulp toward the end of the season as defenses were specifically targeting him for punishment whether he had the ball or not. Not good for the long-term health of your quarterback.
While I agree with you that mobility is a huge asset for today’s QBs, I would also submit that unless that QB can make all the throws and also perform in a more traditional NFL-style offense, he’s not going to have a particularly long or successful career.
Pryor has a long way to go, and you may have to get used to “Mr. Stop-Gap”, as you call him, for longer than you think.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Im eager to see if he can cut it passing as a pro, but im confident he can at least be as good as tebow, if an offense is built for him to do such.
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Here’s the thing, Tebow was only successful because what he did was a novelty. It took time to adjust. If you build a ‘Tebow’ offense for Pryor, teams will already be aware of it and be able to easily key in on it. I truly hope Pryor IS successful here, the same as I hoped Jamarcus was successful here. Didn’t happen with Russell and I don’t think it will with Pryor (and NO I am not comparing Pryor to Russell)
January 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
RE post 64.
Curry personifies what is wrong with the Raiders defense. He if fast, athletic, and makes some dynamite plays. He also lacks discipline, takes horrible angles, bites on the play action every time and the next thing you know the running back breaks outside or catches a swing pass outside right where Curry was supposed to be. It was frustrating to see him make a big play and jump up and down. Then on the next four plays he is totally out of position. He is not an every down linebacker. He should be a primary special teams player on kickoffs and punts.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Real Talk I gotta go my sons school just got put on lock down I wonder what type of people caused this Real Talk
January 27th, 2012 at 11:35 am
SR Raider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Very curious to see what the new HC’s thoughts on offense are. Hope they ask that at the presser
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I agree. Does anyone no what kind of offense he prefers? He doesn’t have a very long resume so it’s a mystery if he latched on to anything in his short coaching career.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Real Talk I gotta go my sons school just got put on lock down I wonder what type of people caused this Real Talk
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His principal probably read some of your “real talk” posts and called fro a lock down before you came to pick your kid up!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Ravens promoted Dean Pees to D coordinator. He’s off the list.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Dennis Allen will do a good job because he can hire his own assistants. It would be nice to keep Al Saunders but it’s not mandatory. Jim Harbaugh took over a San Francisco team that was worse than the Raiders the year before and went 13-3. I think hiring your own coaches can help define who the Raiders are going to be. Dennis Allen have a full year of OTAs and training camp to get the team ready to play. I am looking forward to the new Raider regime.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Pryor must be great!!!!!! Cut Palmer now
January 27th, 2012 at 11:47 am
KingDan Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Pryor must be great!!!!!! Cut Palmer now
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So you’re saying just eat a 2012 1st rounder, and 2013 2nd rounder?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:49 am
18.crister Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Let me guess, there are going to be a lot of “We’re going to work hard.”, “Everyone will have to earn their job.” and “We expect to win Super Bowls here.” with other tired platitudes sprinkled in. When you’re doing one of these introductions pretty much every year, the proclamations tend to blend into each other. Hope he’s good, but whose to say…
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I’d rather hear that than “Well we don’t expect much. Let’s face it. We suck. I hope we can go at leat 5-11 this yr. but u can always hope for the best.”
I know what u mean though.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
137.RaiderReggie Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Dennis Allen will do a good job because he can hire his own assistants. It would be nice to keep Al Saunders but it’s not mandatory. Jim Harbaugh took over a San Francisco team that was worse than the Raiders the year before and went 13-3. I think hiring your own coaches can help define who the Raiders are going to be. Dennis Allen have a full year of OTAs and training camp to get the team ready to play. I am looking forward to the new Raider regime.
I agree…but this will be Allen’s defining moment! Who will he choose as his assistants!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
edward teach Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Pryor was a good pick up, because of how he was aquired. We dont lose anything if he washes out. Im eager to see if he can cut it passing as a pro, but im confident he can at least be as good as tebow, if an offense is built for him to do such. i have doubts on if he would be accurate enough to run the offense that jc did. this all adds to the intrigue of who will run the offense and what kind will it be?
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He’s going to have to be a whole lot better than Tebow throwing the ball, or he ain’t gonna be an NFL quarterback.
He’s also going to have to perform in something other than the offense the Broncos ran for Timmy. Tebow was getting beaten to a pulp toward the end of the season as defenses were specifically targeting him for punishment whether he had the ball or not. Not good for the long-term health of your quarterback.
While I agree with you that mobility is a huge asset for today’s QBs, I would also submit that unless that QB can make all the throws and also perform in a more traditional NFL-style offense, he’s not going to have a particularly long or successful career.
Pryor has a long way to go, and you may have to get used to “Mr. Stop-Gap”, as you call him, for longer than you think
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1.) I never have said that mobility is the most important asset for a qb, but it is a huge bonus, and it really breaks down a defense in certain situations.
2.) i didnt say build a “tebow” offense for pryor. Pryor is a batter passer and runner than tebow in my opinion. I do think a shot gun spread option offense would suit him best, with a dose of bootleg play action could work for him. i dont think the option game would have to be quite as run oriented for pryor as it is with tebow. My point was they would need to commit to building and offense for pryor, just as they did commit to build a special offense for tebow.
3.) if the offense changes my guess is palmer will struggle. If it remains the same based o what i have seen im not confident he will play well either, lets hope he would. Either way if our newly deemed stop gap qb doesnt come out on fire next year he will not be around in 2013. “i like my own players” was the most telling qoute from big mack on the qb situation, the way i see it.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Real Talk I gotta go my sons school just got put on lock down I wonder what type of people caused this Real Talk
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hahaha this dude lives in the Evergreen area of San Jose. EVHS is on lock down right now.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Cam Newton throws a better ball than Pryor and Cam also has better mechanics.
Pryor has plenty of work to do when it comes footwork and throwing mechanics to get to where Cam is at now.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:52 am
In my former world, I was “disrespectful”, and was banned from this site. I was disrespectful because being a Raider fan for the better part of 45 yrs (I started young) the last 10 yrs have been a disaster, AD being the root of all evil therein.
Anyway, I am back, and I’ll mind my manners – for awhile.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am
141.hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
137.RaiderReggie Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Dennis Allen will do a good job because he can hire his own assistants. It would be nice to keep Al Saunders but it’s not mandatory. Jim Harbaugh took over a San Francisco team that was worse than the Raiders the year before and went 13-3. I think hiring your own coaches can help define who the Raiders are going to be. Dennis Allen have a full year of OTAs and training camp to get the team ready to play. I am looking forward to the new Raider regime.
I agree…but this will be Allen’s defining moment! Who will he choose as his assistants!
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It is absolutely CRITICAL that Allen hires COMPETENT, SOLID,GOOD Coordinators and Assistant coaches.
He can’t afford to he hiring the Chuck Bresnahans of the world on his staff. He can’t afford to do somethig stupid like that and neither can us fans. Ugh
January 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am
jraider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:47 am
KingDan Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Pryor must be great!!!!!! Cut Palmer now
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So you’re saying just eat a 2012 1st rounder, and 2013 2nd rounder I was kidding. I don’t even know what the Miller Digby Award is
January 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
BTW, Pryor’s throwing ability substantially outshines Tebow’s ability. Tebow looks all humped up with a bad case of the cramps, on his left throwing arm side. I have said previously that Tebow better learn to throw well and learn quickly, because next year he will be unmercifully defensed running. I hope he likes concussions.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
QBs like Newton,Pryor,and Tebow have been around forever but some people want to make it like the Vicks,Newtons,Pryors,and Tebows are revolutionizing the position.This is false.Kilmer,Tarkenton,LaBaron,Douglas-the list goes on.There have always been ‘athletic’ QBs.If a guy is good enough,he will make it in the league.If he isn’t he won’t.We haven’t seen anything of Pryor yet to make a truly informed decision.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
I truly hope Pryor IS successful here, the same as I hoped Jamarcus was successful here. Didn’t happen with Russell and I don’t think it will with Pryor (and NO I am not comparing Pryor to Russell)
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BRL had rpoblems thats for sure and they all have been chronicled on this blog…Most notably his wanting to be the QB of the Raiders and put his time in to lead this team.
From what we have heard about Pryor is that he allready knows Saunders playbook, and by all accounts is the size of the novel War and Peace.
So to those that say Pryor will not be good, you really have no idea of what the young man will do during game time situations.
If he gets a fair shake from McKenzie he will earn the right to QB in oakland, and if Carson goes down, I would be okay with Pryor as our Number 2 taking over, and becoming our no 1.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
DKNIGHT007 POST-146,AGREE.HE NEEDS TO HIRE GOOD SOLID CORDINATORS.AND I WILL TRUST HIS JUDGMENT.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
KingDan Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:55 am
jraider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:47 am
KingDan Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:45 am
2011 Miller-Digby Award
Pryor must be great!!!!!! Cut Palmer now
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So you’re saying just eat a 2012 1st rounder, and 2013 2nd rounder I was kidding. I don’t even know what the Miller Digby Award is
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ha! me either.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
lefty12, #149,
You are correct Lefty; athletic QBs come and go in cycles. Good post.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
QBs like Newton,Pryor,and Tebow have been around forever but some people want to make it like the Vicks,Newtons,Pryors,and Tebows are revolutionizing the position.This is false. se. Kilmer,Tarkenton,LaBaron,Douglas-the list goes on. There have always been ‘athletic’ QBs. If a guy is good enough,he will make it in the league. If he isn’t he won’t. We haven’t seen anything of Pryor yet to make a truly informed decision.
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Good post. The only thing I would add is that none of the NFL veterans on your list ever won the superbowl. Also, Newton is a hell of a passer so he may not fit the mold
January 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
So Monday we all better NOT see Breshnahans name anywhere near the name RAIDER!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
We just need a QB that can run for a first down once in awhile when the opportunity arises. I hope the best for Pryor but I hope the best for the TEAM first. Our coaches will determine talent and what is best for this team. A good back-up is a must and if Pryor can handle it I got no problem with him.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
So Monday we all better NOT see Breshnahans name anywhere near the name RAIDER!
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Monday…HAHAHAHAH…His locker/office is allready packed up….
January 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
bcz24 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Im eager to see if he can cut it passing as a pro, but im confident he can at least be as good as tebow, if an offense is built for him to do such.
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Here’s the thing, Tebow was only successful because what he did was a novelty. It took time to adjust.
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I disagree, there is a shift taking place as we type. I think that is outdated thinking and it has been exposed as being both faulty and fraudulent by the recent turn of events.
The so called wild cat offense was a fad that the nfl caught up with. It was an option offense that put a running back or wr in the place of a qb. This limited the offense to almost a strictly running offenses with no threat of a pass. That is why defenders eventually figured it out. I never have liked it and thought it was a gimmick, as a true option needs at least the threat of a pass.
Tebow had an option game built for him, and managed to throw it just well enoguh to keep the defense off balance. this led to some big games, however he isnt consistent enough as a passer (maybe he could be one day yet to be seen), this allowed teams to take awya his clearly pronounced strong suit, the run game. Until he becomes a btter passer, the offense will continue to be run heavy, and limited. however his success has indeed had an impact on the way qb is played moving forward, and clearly debunked the idea that an option based offense cant succeed in the nfl.
Pryor in my view faces similar concerns as tebow can he pass the ball well enough to keep the offense from being one dimensional?
Enter cam newton, he has proven beyond a shadow of a doubt that a spread option does work in the nfl, as he crushed peyton manning and assaulted the nfl record books, like a first time felon on a prison yard. The difference is Cam is an exceptional passer, so the option game they use relies a lot more on passing, and very few qb runs. Tebow (and pryor) run , then hit the occasional pass. Newton on the other hand passes the ball, and uses the occasional called qb run to keep the defense off balance. This is the kind of option you see at toledo clemson, and baylor. The nfl never did figure out how to stop cams option game, because of his passing. Where tebow and the wild cat fell short cam excelled, and i dont see anything on the horizon that will make it any different next year.
We cant lump all option football or all option qbs in one group. Now we have RGIII coming up next and i would consider him an even better passer than cam and it isnt close. He will be drafted and this also represents the shift that is taking place in the nfl.
get on board guys this is the wave of the future.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Pryor in my view faces similar concerns as tebow can he pass the ball well enough to keep the offense from being one dimensional?
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In my opinion I beleive he can and will…
He is going to be a suprise to the Raiders, and the NFL…
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RGIII > luck
January 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
It’ll be interesting to see how recent top pick QB’s compare to one another for their careers. Bradford, Newton, Luck, RG3. My guess is that Newton > Luck > RG3 > Bradford when all is said and done. A lot of that will depend on coaching
January 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
RGIII will got to Cleveland where QB’s go to die.
That is unfortunate but yet reality.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thec Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RGIII > luck
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Since neither is or will be a Raider it doesn’t make much difference.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
155.hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
So Monday we all better NOT see Breshnahans name anywhere near the name RAIDER!
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Yep! Chuck B, Herrera and Taylor will be ousted soon enough!
The end of negative Cronysim during the last 10 years will finally come to an end within this organization and team.
Like McK said at his presser, EVERYONE will be on the same page and have a clear vision for the organization and team.
No more underhanded agendas and rats reporting to Al Davis. The no good rats will be exterminated for the Alameda Headquarter building! FINALLY!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
SR Raider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
It’ll be interesting to see how recent top pick QB’s compare to one another for their careers. Bradford, Newton, Luck, RG3. My guess is that Newton > Luck > RG3 > Bradford when all is said and done. A lot of that will depend on coaching
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intersting to note RGIII Newton and bradofrd are all from spread offenses in college.
Yep the spread qb myth has been debunked forever
January 27th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Thec Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RGIII > luck
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luck couldnt carry griffins jock on a tug boat
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
It’s only the wave of the future as there are QB’s that are like CAM.
Tom Brady, Eli, Drew Bree’s, and Rodgers still have good years in them and you need your QB to be able to throw the ball accurately and often if you want to win the SB.
Only 2 QB’s since 1993 were mediocre on SB winning teams, Dilger and Johnson.
Im not ready to say its the future, yet as Cam hasn’t made the playoffs but I wold take CAM newton as my QB right now!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
The Carolina Panthers O ranks 9th in total yds, 13th in pass yds, and 3rd in rushing.
Cam was a rookie.
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Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams, Steve Smith & Greg Olsen made him look good. also has a studly O-Line. so what?
praise the guy because he had a better rookie season than Jimmy Clausen?
because he’s not Jake Delhomme?
How many games did they win this year? oh yeah, 6
Dalton was a 2nd rounder and made the friggin playoffs. Who dont you fools slurp him?
the NFL is about wins & losses. Look at all the injuries & turmoil the Raiders had last season… still finished with 8 wins
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Thec Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RGIII > luck
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Since neither is or will be a Raider it doesn’t make much difference.
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True however, since this is a blog staing my opinion…
January 27th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
“Stating”
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Anybody see the Panthers making noise in the NFC South next year against the Saints, Falcons & Bucs?
Me neither, NEXT
8 wins tops
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
The fact that you cant toch a receiver after 5 yards, and the way defenders are forced to hold up on defenseless recivers means that spread passing attcks will continue to have a huge edge over the defense.
we will see more and more of it, and when you have a qb that operate this passing attack he is tough to beat. When that same qb can run, and you can mix in read options , jet sweep play fakes reverse motions and the like, this offense is nearly impossible to stop.
Please football gods bring me geno smith in 2013
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Fair enough, Mistic. I just would say that you probably shouldn’t expect a whole lot of change with our offense next year.
Palmer is the QB, Saunders is still under contract for another year, and there’s way too much work to be done on defense to make big changes on offense.
2013? Another story altogether. A lot of it depends on how Palmer plays, a lot of it depends on how Pryor develops. Saunders’ contract will be up and the team will have to make a decision which way they want to go.
I belive that Pryor will be given a legitimate shot to help the team make that decision.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Does Hue have a job yet?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
It seems wins only count when they support ones arguments for or against certain QBs.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Steve Young was an athletic QB who learned quick he better pass the ball or his career was gonna be short, same with Donovan, Randall Cunningham, mike Vick.
These type of QB’s have been around for a LONG time, not just recently.
What has changed is the physical build of the QB, see Cam Newton’ strength, size, quickness, and dude is a great passer! There is NO ONE like Cam.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
T Pryor was responsible for 69 TDs in 2 yrs at Ohio St. Yeah he sucks alright. Can’t throw. Can’t run. Can’t catch (sarcasm).
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BBognMAW9Es
January 27th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Terrelle Pryor isn’t Tim Tebow. Anybody who thinks otherwise is dumber than a box of rocks
January 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
olinesux
why do you always equate a 3-4 FORMATION with linebacker zone COVERAGE as if they always go hand in hand?
Better to be thought a fool than to open your mouth and remove all doubt.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Dalton was a 2nd rounder and made the friggin playoffs. Who dont you fools slurp him?
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Have you looked at the Panthers D vs the Bengals D? People gives the QB too much credit and too much blame. Dalton couldnt beat Yates in the playoff. Does that mean Yates is better than Dalton? NO.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Cams defense sucked big time.
I would take CAM over pretty much anyone not named Rodgers for right now and the immediate future. I watched a lot of his games, and I’ve never seen anyone like him with his size.
His accuracy is what surprised everyone, fist game of th year he threw for like 400+ yards!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
What has changed is the physical build of the QB, see Cam Newton’ strength, size, quickness, and dude is a great passer! There is NO ONE like Cam.
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Not only that but the NFL has changed into a more “QB” friendly league…
The rules are setup for the offense, with particular attention to the QB, and WR….
January 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
RG3 vs Luck as a pro?
It will depend on who is coached up properly and who has the right coaches to guide and teach them!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
It seems wins only count when they support ones arguments for or against certain QBs.
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Yep. RRS for example.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Have you looked at the Panthers D vs the Bengals D? People gives the QB too much credit and too much blame. Dalton couldnt beat Yates in the playoff. Does that mean Yates is better than Dalton? NO.
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AIG,
how can you praise the Bungles defense and then prove they aren’t all that great by stating they got beat by a rookie 5th round 3rd stringer ???
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
“Steve Young was an athletic QB who learned quick he better pass the ball or his career was gonna be short, same with Donovan, Randall Cunningham, mike Vick.”
And Steve’s biggest game of his career he THREW 6 TD passes. Because he eventually got it, your job as a QB is to get the ball out of your hands and into the play makers hands as fast as possible.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Im happy to read that the coach will have final say on players!!!! now he can take a good look at Huff,Mclain,kelly,routt, and adjust there pay to meet there performance. probably about 3rd or 4th round type players, or just get rid of them for there sorry play. hell we could even add branch to that list but i dont think he gets payed much compared to those other dudes.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Once again:
Pryor = LESS than 50% completions, more INTs than TDs in games vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa…real defenses.
That’s not NFL quality. You can’t spin that lack of passing ability.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
The Carolina Panthers O ranks 9th in total yds, 13th in pass yds, and 3rd in rushing.
Cam was a rookie.
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Jonathan Stewart, DeAngelo Williams, Steve Smith & Greg Olsen made him look good. also has a studly O-Line. so what?
praise the guy because he had a better rookie season than Jimmy Clausen?
because he’s not Jake Delhomme?
How many games did they win this year? oh yeah, 6
Dalton was a 2nd rounder and made the friggin playoffs. Who dont you fools slurp him?
the NFL is about wins & losses. Look at all the injuries & turmoil the Raiders had last season… still finished with 8 wins
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not quite, i saw every single panther game this year, and cam was magnificent. He had 2-3 games where he made critical errors that contributed to the team losing but he was outsanding for most of the year.
In fact the players you named where there last year and they floundered, Cam made them better and help reestablish smith.
they finished with a losing record because much like our raiders the defense was horrific. They coughed up leads and couldnt make the big stops.
Dalton played on a far better team than cams panthers especially on the defensive side of the ball. dont get me wrong dalton was good for a rookie, but he isnt even on the same planet as cam
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
AIG,
how can you praise the Bungles defense and then prove they aren’t all that great by stating they got beat by a rookie 5th round 3rd stringer ???
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Bungles D better than Panthers D. That was the point. Bungles D was the reason the Bungles won more game than Panthers D.
Bungles lost to the Texans because the Texans D was better.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Meanwhile, Vick and Cam set PASSING records and accuracy records at their universities.
Noooooooooo comparison.
Pryor is much closer as a QB prospect to Tebow than any of the other names thrown around that also happen to be black.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Pryor doens’t suck, it’s just that his type of QB has never won it all. People want to say that Vick and Newton are breaking the mold, but they haven’t won yet.
That means that Pryor needs to be better than any QB of his type in history. Some fans believe it can be done, others wonder how.
Accurate QB’s, on the other hand, win almost every single year
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
It seems wins only count when they support ones arguments for or against certain QBs.
Yep. RRS for example.
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Kell,
wins ALWAYS count to me. I’ve never said anything that states otherwise
This applies to coaches, too – not just QB’s. After all the two biggest factors that cause you to win & lose games are coach & QB imo
Look who is playing in the Super Bowl
January 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Once again:
Pryor = LESS than 50% completions, more INTs than TDs in games vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa…real defenses.
That’s not NFL quality. You can’t spin that lack of passing ability.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Ochocinco could get his first ring doing absolutely nothing
January 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
If you compare Vick and Cam to Terrell Pryor, you’re doing it based on skin color.
Vick = completion % records at VTech.
Cam = SEC passing efficiency records in SEC.
Pryor = sub 50% completions, more INTs than TDs vs legit D’s.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
What is up with the John Herrera woodies around here?
I wonder if other NFL teams have huge legions of fans calling for the ouster of a minor front office lackey? The guy is an office admin. Wtf cares?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Stop with the New Regime stuff.
everyone is excited because the Raiders have a GM, as if that’s the missing link.
Every team has a GM. And many teams with GM’s stay in the bottom half of the NFL, year after year.
A rookie owner hires a rookie GM who hires a rookie HC who just got done being a rookie DC.
ZERO EXPERIENCE ACROSS THE BOARD IN THEIR NEW JOBS.
Almost as if we are doomed to mediocrity.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Real Talk I gotta go my sons school just got put on lock down I wonder what type of people caused this Real Talk
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His principal probably read some of your “real talk” posts and called fro a lock down before you came to pick your kid up!
Actually not at all, the Principle at my sons school, like most other high ranking businessmen, Owners, and Top Managers, feel the exact same way as I do. They just don’t speak their mind in public. It seems our State, and Federal laws prohibit such, as well as the UCMJ.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
everyone likes to talk about how athletic a QB is…well there is another very important part of the game for a QB other than passing and running or handing the ball off.
Its called reading the defenses and adjusting the play called accordingly. This is where Luck is better than RGII and or anyone else in that rookie class.
This is also an area where Andy Dalton excelled at as a rookie.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Only 2 QB’s since 1993 were mediocre on SB winning teams, Dilger and ……who the hell is Dilger ??
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Accuracy is under-valued by the average fan. Nothing slays like a hyper-accurate throw to a player downfield. Especially the crazy fast strong types playing these days…
January 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
This needs to be memorized. Will raise your Raider and football IQ
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If you compare Vick and Cam to Terrell Pryor, you’re doing it based solely on skin color.
Vick = completion % records at VTech.
Cam = SEC passing efficiency records in SEC.
Pryor = sub 50% completions, more INTs than TDs vs legit D’s. In a bad Big 10.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Alias,
Just face it you dont know jack about QB nor anything football related. You actually tried to tell me Jasoup was better than Pryor in college until I debunked that myth.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Carson Palmer wins 4 games this year, and is called a franchise QB.
Rookie Cam Newton, sets rookie records, and he’s called overrated, RRS.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ravens promoted Dean Pees to D coordinator. He’s off the list.
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The next head coach in the NFL.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Alias,
Does a bowl performance against a top ranked SEC team count more than a reg season game vs the Big Ten or Pac12? It’s nice of you to leave that off.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Campbell was a better passer in college than Pryor.
Yes. I said that. Because it’s true. Why one guy was a 1st rounder, and the other was saved in the 3rd by the only team that would take him that high.
Easy. Passing = NFL wins. Running = Pat White.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Carson Palmer wins 4 games this year, and is called a franchise QB.
Rookie Cam Newton, sets rookie records, and he’s called overrated, RRS.
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I suppose Carson gave up 35+ PPG and never made anyone punt either.
Not to mention play those games without his 2 top receiving threats for 5 straight games, and never play with the MVP calibur running back on the team.
Yeah “that dude Carson sucks.”
Great insights as usual…
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
No Aig.
Pryor vs a terrible Ducks D isn’t something I’m going to have override how he did in SEVEN other meaningful games.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Pryor = LESS than 50% completions, more INTs than TDs in games vs USC, Miami, Penn State, Wisconsin, Iowa…real defenses.
That’s not NFL quality. You can’t spin that lack of passing ability.
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Alex,
come on, you’re better than that!
thats like saying “look at Carson Palmer’s two games against KC last year in addition to his games against Denver & Green Bay. He’s definately not NFL quality anymore”
absurd …
January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
everyone likes to talk about how athletic a QB is…well there is another very important part of the game for a QB other than passing and running or handing the ball off.
Its called reading the defenses and adjusting the play called accordingly. This is where Luck is better than RGII and or anyone else in that rookie class.
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I dont think you are giving griffin enough credit here.
he completed over 70% of his passes for the season, and was over 80 % most of the season at home. I Know , read that agin it is insane!!! I saw plenty of times where he went through several reads before making the right decision. Look no further than his pass to beat oklohoma. he exhausted his reads then extended the play and delivered the ball in the only place he could for his guy to get the ball. All while being pummeled to the ground by an oncoming defender.
RGIII can read and does read a defense very well.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Alex
You love to argue, don’t you?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
KK Munster, were you as moved as I was by the marxist propaganda during BO’s speech?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
everyone likes to talk about how athletic a QB is…well there is another very important part of the game for a QB other than passing and running or handing the ball off.
Its called reading the defenses and adjusting the play called accordingly. This is where Luck is better than RGII and or anyone else in that rookie class.
This is also an area where Andy Dalton excelled at as a rookie.
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It is also why Brady,Payton,Drew,and Rodgers are the best in the game today and win every year.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
“JLofty Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
What is up with the John Herrera woodies around here?
I wonder if other NFL teams have huge legions of fans calling for the ouster of a minor front office lackey? The guy is an office admin. Wtf cares?”
GREAT POST!!
Herrera handles traveling arrangements for the team. He has absolutely nothing to do with players personnel or who makes the roster.
Why would you want to fire the guy who books flights?
I will tell you why because he was a loyal to Al Davis for many years and that alone has people frothing at the mouth to get him fired.
so what he wanted to punch Tim Kawakami in the face WHO DOESN’T!!
The guy trashes us every chance he gets if your a die hard Oakland Raider fan you know this and you hate Tim Kawakami as much as Herrera does.
If your a lackey blog semi-pro who drivels and sheepishly follow the media then yeah you might want to fire Herrera.
Real fans hate Tim Kawakami and love Herrera!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Alias,
Tim Tebow had a career 66% completion rate in college. Dang that must be a great indicator of how successful they will be throwing the ball in the NFL.
oh wait Danny Wuerffel had a career 60.5% comp rate at Florida. Wow he turned out great too.
ooooppsss
January 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
RR
College talent is spread WAAAAY farther than NFL talent.
Pryor did well PASSING vs teams like the Ohio Bobcats, the Oregon Ducks, Indiana Hoosiers and the terrible Michigan D two years ago.
He SUCKED vs Wisconsin, USC, Miami, Penn State, and Iowa.
You think that doesn’t matter?? Absurd.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Carson Palmer wins 4 games this year, and is called a franchise QB.
Rookie Cam Newton, sets rookie records, and he’s called overrated, RRS.
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Kell,
Palmer missed the entire offseason & preseason as well as the first 6 weeks of the regular season
Plus he never played with Darren McFadden
TRUE or FALSE ???
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Aig,
studies have been done. Not that you guys go that deep.
Studies show that games started and completion % are two of the highest indicators of NFL success for a college QB.
Of course, playing in a crazy offense like Weurffel or having a noodle arm like Tebow needs to also be factored in.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
It is also why Brady,Payton,Drew,and Rodgers are the best in the game today and win every year.
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Reading the defense + accuracy = deadly
The opposite = JaMarcus
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Flacco struggled with accuracy at Delaware.
I stated a few years ago that he had a higher bust potential than other 1st round QBs.
Look at his lack of development.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Daraider09 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Carson Palmer wins 4 games this year, and is called a franchise QB.
Rookie Cam Newton, sets rookie records, and he’s called overrated, RRS.
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I suppose Carson gave up 35+ PPG and never made anyone punt either.
Not to mention play those games without his 2 top receiving threats for 5 straight games, and never play with the MVP calibur running back on the team.
Yeah “that dude Carson sucks.”
Great insights as usual…
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We were talking about QB wins as the total criteria, not QB excuses. Cross-poster.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
No Aig.
Pryor vs a terrible Ducks D isn’t something I’m going to have override how he did in SEVEN other meaningful games.
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Meaningful game? How about the biggest game of your college career aka the Sugar Bowl? You know the only time that OSU (1-9) EVER beat an SEC team? Pryor had 221 passing 2 tds and 156 rushing.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Kyle Boller struggled HUGE with accuracy at Cal. Look at him.
Pryor struggled IMMENSELY vs the solid to good D’s.
There’s a reason for that.
It’s the reason he was given a 4th to 5th round grade.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Kell,
Palmer missed the entire offseason & preseason as well as the first 6 weeks of the regular season
Plus he never played with Darren McFadden
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We were talking about QB wins as the total criteria, not QB excuses.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Aig,
studies have been done. Not that you guys go that deep.
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oh genius. You want to show us a link for that? Since you are so deep…..you know.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Alex,
you’re really into college football, aren’t you?
unfortunately, the guys that pick players in the draft & such aren’t always right.
Tom Brady in RD6. Arian Foster undrafted. I don’t give a crap if Pryor went in RD3 of the Supp Draft or was a “classic Al Davis pick”. He’s a talented football player. quit hating on the kid!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
14 for 25 passing isn’t exactly lighting it up in the Sugar Bowl.
And that’s one of his BEST games.
Think about that.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Think of this guys, when i played pee wee football in the early and mid eightys most football tuaght at that level was power option football. In High school this was also a staple. Now pee wee players are being taught spread offense, and it is the rage in college and high schools.
You are entering a time when the young kids are being taught shotgun football first, this means there will be a continued influx of these kinds of qb for the foreseeable future.
The shot gun spread has been mastered by brady brees and rodgers. Guys like cam and RGIII will be the next guys that champion this brand of offense and take it into an even higher level because of the extra dimension they posses.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
lol. Here come the Brady posts.
It’s a 1 in 10,000 situation for a reason.
For the most part, top QBs don’t last until the 3rd round.
There’s a reason for that.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Aig,
studies have been done. Not that you guys go that deep.
Studies show that games started and completion % are two of the highest indicators of NFL success for a college QB.
Of course, playing in a crazy offense like Weurffel or having a noodle arm like Tebow needs to also be factored in
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hmmm…Jamarcus Russell had a career 61.9 career comp % at LSU.
Ladies and gents….I rest my case. LMFAO.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Kell,
Palmer played in 9.5 games
Newton played in 16
I don’t get the comparison … you’re saying Palmer would have lost all 6 of his first games?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
aig
what good would the link do? If you told me it would matter to you, then sure, I’ll show you the links.
But it won’t matter.
Because you don’t understand statistical analysis, as the 31 other NFL clubs do who passed on Pryor because he can’t throw the dang football accurately.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Aig,
61% in college is not that good.
But of course you don’t know that.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Please football gods bring me geno smith in 2013
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Considering it’s Mistic, why do I not even have to wonder what nationality Geno Smith is?
You do know it’s your parents fault, right?
You aren’t just born with this ugly streak, it’s taught.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
and when a guy has a drug problem and study problem, it kinda gets factored in.
I know, above your thinking-grade.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Raiders looking at LB’s, RB’s and DL at Senior Bowl:
http://rosterwatch.com/?p=1827
Why don’t Jerry or Cork or Vittorio or Gutierrez give us some insight on who the Raiders scouts are eying and talking to at Senior Bowl??
Are they too preoccupied about what they are going to ask McK and Allen during the presser on Monday?
Are they all wondering what they are going to serve for lunch instead at the presser?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Alex Smith ran a spread offense in Utah.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Alex – i’d like to see the link. I’ve been using the same reference for years, but have no proof to back it up. I call that “illegal information” since I have no idea of the source
January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
lol. Here come the Brady posts.
It’s a 1 in 10,000 situation for a reason.
For the most part, top QBs don’t last until the 3rd round.
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I know I know. You are so right.
Not great QB but above avg QBs….
QBs that made the probowl that was drafted lower than 3rd or never even drafted….
Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson (9th rd) bla bla bla…..
January 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
RR,
I am tripping out dude. I know you have more logic than to make an argument aginst the season Cam had. What’s up man?
Do you really want to make this argument?
Cam was oustanding for a rookie man. We saw him do things at the QB position we never saw before. He did it with aging players that you just named.
His passing was on point the whole year. Come on man, no one knew he was going to have the season like he did. With no defense and aging players.
Really RR?????Really????
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Why don’t Jerry or Cork or Vittorio or Gutierrez give us some insight on who Allen is talking to or looking at for his Coordinators and Assistant coaches either?
Get with it fellas!
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Alex,
Pryor doesn’t have a study problem. He already knew the offense before Jason Campbell got hurt. That’s why he sent Hue Jax a text that said “I’m ready coach” after JCamp went down in that victory against Cleveland
but I guess it’s fun to make up stuff, isn’t it?
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Oh wait the best of them all…Warren Moon. Never drafted.
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Raiders looking at LB’s, RB’s and DL at Senior Bowl:
http://rosterwatch.com/?p=1827
Why don’t Jerry or Cork or Vittorio or Gutierrez give us some insight on who the Raiders scouts are eying and talking to at Senior Bowl??
Are they too preoccupied about what they are going to ask McK and Allen during the presser on Monday?
Are they all wondering what they are going to serve for lunch instead at the presser?
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I’ve mentioned Ganaway here before. Would be a very good late-round addition to the Raiders.
Their interest in Spence and David is interesting. Both undersized, but VERY athletic linebackers who are solid in coverage. Can they shed blocks, though? The Raiders better be looking to bulk up on the defensive line if they expect guys like David or Spence to have an impact.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Reggie just might trade both Palmer & Pryor!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
CJL,
RRS = not a fan of Cam Newton
RRS = fan of Terrelle Pryor
get over it!!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Oh wait the best of them all…Warren Moon. Never drafted.
++++++++++++++++
the truth
January 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Oh wait the best of them all…Warren Moon. Never drafted
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AIG,
Warren Moon > Kurt Warner ???
January 27th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Kurt Warner, Jeff Garcia, Tony Romo, Jake Delhomme, Brad Johnson (9th rd) bla bla bla…..
5 or 6 guys (with Brady) out of a couple hundred QBs drafted in the last 20 years (when Johnson was originally drafted).
So let’s focus on the 2% instead of the 98%.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Herrera is a loose cannon.
Why would a GM want to keep a loose cannon around?
Reggie said he wants his own team.
The guy who indignantly stood there, and acted all that, at the behest of his boss, while making a spectacle of himself because a writer did his job, isn’t someone a guy who wants his own voice, to keep around.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
aig
what good would the link do? If you told me it would matter to you, then sure, I’ll show you the links.
But it won’t matter.
Because you don’t understand statistical analysis, as the 31 other NFL clubs do who passed on Pryor because he can’t throw the dang football accurately.
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Actually, I’d love to see that link. It only re-affirms your credibility (or perhaps lack there of).
BTW, I did pretty decent in Santa Clara County math competitions. I did alright in my quantitative business analysis and other stat courses at San Jose State. By all means, please provide the link. I’d love to get enlightened.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
little alex because you love zone coverage fool…
January 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
RRS,
Yes, I like Warren better than Kurt. But they are really 1A vs 1B. I’d take either of them any day.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Herrera is a loose cannon.
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Why?
One could argue he’s the exact opposite of a loose cannon. His job was to do exactly what Al Davis asked of him. He played the good soldier even though he was frequently asked to tell stupid, meaningless, transparent lies on behalf of the organization he represents.
That doesn’t sound like a loose cannon to me. That sounds like a guy doing his job, even though his job was often ridiculous.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Reggie wants to build a staff of people all working together. Seeing as Herrera is a superb suck-up, I can see him sticking around by agreeing to whatever the new regime is
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Alex,
you’re certain Pryor falls in the 98% based upon the 1 snap he played in 2011?
by the way, 3rd round in the Supp draft = undrafted in reg draft?
kicks rocks, bro…
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
if Herrera leaves the Raiders my stock in chap-stick is going to drop through the floor !!!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Aig,
61% in college is not that good.
But of course you don’t know that.
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Jamarcus attempted 797 passes to get that 61.9% career comp. Cam only attempted 292 in Div 1 college for 66%. Anyone who actually has any decent knowledge of stat analysis would tell you that the guy with 797 attempts is more impressive than the guy who attempted 292 of it.
But hey, wtf do I know?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
How many times do I have to debunk you? B is prob right. You are Mr.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Seeing as Herrera is a superb suck-up, I can see him sticking around by agreeing to whatever the new regime is
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why wouldn’t he? do you do whatever your boss tell you to? whatever is in your job description?
Herrera was loyal to Al Davis because of all the things Al has done for him & his family throughout the years. 1 presser incident in the last 30+ years or whatever doesn’t define his legacy as a Raider employee
Kawakami is a clown, anyways…
January 27th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
alex talking about statistical analysis is like hue talking about clock management….go ahead alex check back on the google tab…..
January 27th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
I’d like to see them modify the rule on pass interference to give the defenders a little more leeway on incidental contact. I don’t think there’s much chance of that. Meantime, talking about QBs that can run, looking at RGIII makes me think he might turn out better than Luck. Not many clips on him, but he looks accurate and is really fast.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Could be wrong cuz its a niner,wasnt Montana a 3rd round pick?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Please football gods bring me geno smith in 2013
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Considering it’s Mistic, why do I not even have to wonder what nationality Geno Smith is?
You do know it’s your parents fault, right?
You aren’t just born with this ugly streak, it’s taught.
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proof you have never seen him play, let me educate you he is an outstanding talent he has the size and the game and the speed.
346 of 526 65.8 comp % (incredible for a pass happy offense) 4385 yards 8.3 yard per comp, (deep passing offense) 31 td 7 int with a mind boggling rating 152.6!!! 54 tds against 15 picks for his career and never a rating lower than 120.
Geno smith is the truth and i would take that in a heart beat.
Try watching before dismissing you only end up looking like a fool.
geno smith >>>> palmer
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Herrera is a loose cannon.
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Why?
One could argue he’s the exact opposite of a loose cannon. His job was to do exactly what Al Davis asked of him. He played the good soldier even though he was frequently asked to tell stupid, meaningless, transparent lies on behalf of the organization he represents.
That doesn’t sound like a loose cannon to me. That sounds like a guy doing his job, even though his job was often ridiculous.
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I think the stupidity and bad PR is his doing not Al Davis’s.
He just handled things HORRIBLY. He could have said things any ways. Al didn’t write his press releases. He’s just that type of guy… and he should DEFINITELY go.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Just a person by his actions.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Wouldn’t the HC have better things to worry about than Herrera?Wouldn’t Amy be more associated with what he does than the HC ?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Never liked Kawakami. Got what he deserved. Next up, Gwen Knapp. Get ‘er, Amy!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I wonder if Dennis Allen is related to the late George Allen. For young NFL fans George Allen was a head coach with the Redskins and Rams years ago.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
FormerlyGoodOle00
Herrera handles traveling arrangements for the team. He has absolutely nothing to do with players personnel or who makes the roster.
Why would you want to fire the guy who books flights?
I will tell you why because he was a loyal to Al Davis for many years and that alone has people frothing at the mouth to get him fired.
so what he wanted to punch Tim Kawakami in the face WHO DOESN’T!!
The guy trashes us every chance he gets if your a die hard Oakland Raider fan you know this and you hate Tim Kawakami as much as Herrera does.
If your a lackey blog semi-pro who drivels and sheepishly follow the media then yeah you might want to fire Herrera.
Real fans hate Tim Kawakami and love Herrera!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
216.Silverandblack666 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
“JLofty Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
What is up with the John Herrera woodies around here?
I wonder if other NFL teams have huge legions of fans calling for the ouster of a minor front office lackey? The guy is an office admin. Wtf cares?”
GREAT POST!!
Herrera handles traveling arrangements for the team. He has absolutely nothing to do with players personnel or who makes the roster.
Why would you want to fire the guy who books flights?
I will tell you why because he was a loyal to Al Davis for many years and that alone has people frothing at the mouth to get him fired.
so what he wanted to punch Tim Kawakami in the face WHO DOESN’T!!
The guy trashes us every chance he gets if your a die hard Oakland Raider fan you know this and you hate Tim Kawakami as much as Herrera does.
If your a lackey blog semi-pro who drivels and sheepishly follow the media then yeah you might want to fire Herrera.
Real fans hate Tim Kawakami and love Herrera!
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TWO GREAT POST
Really, I never understood why people hate this dude, I could see some media jokers not liking him. He is just doing his job. I kinda like his attitude, Fk the Raider Haters, LONG LIVE HERRERA!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
“Could be wrong cuz its a niner,wasnt Montana a 3rd round pick?”
Yes the last pick in round three 1979
January 27th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
265.hendu Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Could be wrong cuz its a niner,wasnt Montana a 3rd round pick?
Either 2nd or 3rd, all I know back in 78 or 79, can’t remember…an almost 50 year old man did a back flip when he was drafted out of Notre Dame…yes, my dad is a faithful 49er fan! I chose the dark side!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
George Allens son is Bruce Allen. and he is now with the Redskins.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Imagine a Bronco’s fan at your office all day long blah blah we are better than you we beat you blah blah.
After a while you get sick of it and tell them to shut the hell up or you will punch them in the mouth!
Kind of the same thing Herrera did to Tim Kawakami got sick of his lying BS hate mongering.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
And we all know Kawakami is an SF fan!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
does anyone have a link to the Herrera/ Kawakami story.
this in news to me .
January 27th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
*is
January 27th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
279.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
does anyone have a link to the Herrera/ Kawakami story.
this in news to me .
Really? Herrera tells Kawakami that he would love to punch his face and Kawakami tells him that he would love to own this organization…pretty interesting…I believe it was one of Lane’s last pressers here!
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ruiUgDyMf60
January 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
“does anyone have a link to the Herrera/ Kawakami story.
this in news to me .”
http://deadspin.com/5053492/raiders-press-conferences-are-fun-even-when-no-one-gets-fired
Please note that the article was heavily slanted towards defensing the writer as it was written by one of Kawakami’s buddies so they definitely put an anti Raider spin on it.
Sadly Herrera does not write articles or he could have had a fair shot at a response instead he shut up and let them paint a negative picture of himself to take the attention off of Al like a loyal employee would do.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Kawakami=Richard Cranium
January 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
kawasaki is an idiot….
January 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Straight to the I’ll sue you card. Grade A sissy right there. Let his true colors fly.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Hey Alias,
Last one for you here….you didnt think 61.9% in college was that impressive right? Drew Brees 61.2%. Eli 60.5%.
Holy cow Warren Moon only completed 50% of his college passes. Dang he must SUCK!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
275,If youre Pops is still with us,Hire Him,sure can spot talent,period.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
All Kawakami did was challenge Al Davis. Just like all you former bootlickers are doing right now, that he’s dead.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
287.hendu Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
275,If youre Pops is still with us,Hire Him,sure can spot talent,period.
Still with us, just not on good health! But still the same person he was 30+ years ago!
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
thanks hwnrdr and 666
January 27th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
288.KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
All Kawakami did was challenge Al Davis. Just like all you former bootlickers are doing right now, that he’s dead.
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STFU!!! you poo butt
January 27th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
post 283. Kawakami=Richard Cranium
way to keep it respectful !!! hahahhahahahhah
January 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
KK not true the guy hates our entire organization and has written many articles showing as much.
How can you call yourself a Raider fan and defend Kawakami?
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
How long until Cam wins a playoff game?
Most of the greats, who most all were drafted at the top of the draft to crappy teams, won one somewhere between 2-4 years.
If he is going to go down as one of the bests, could happen with that talent, he HAS to win a playoff game in the next year or two to keep up the pace.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Pryor is a complete unknown. Until we see him play in some fashion it’s all what we think, not what is.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Kawakami is a journalist. He doesn’t have a damned thing to do with the Raiders, or their performances.
The media hating, excuse making, is the types of things that need to change with our Raider culture.
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Based on the article, do you think Herrera and Kawakami ever sit down and laugh about that? LOL
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
umm ,, steve corkan and jerry mc are gods . umm , thats all i have to say becus im scared to post anything else .
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Beer Summit!
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hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Based on the article, do you think Herrera and Kawakami ever sit down and laugh about that? LOL
January 27th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
The Raiders have been horrible for the better parts of 2 decades. Wtf is the media supposed to write, flowery platitudes?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
koolkell im offended by yur comment that the raiders have been horrible . take that back. roses & rainbows
January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I like Geno Smith, because he is a pocket passer, with great size and arm strength.
But he is not all that athletic. When he goes to the combine, he will grade out in the middle of the pack for QB’s.
His 40 time is listed at 4.78, which is more Drew Bledsoe like than guys like Locker, Cam, Tebow and even Stafford.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Raiders!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
RAIDERS!!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
The Raiders have been horrible for the better parts of 2 decades. Wtf is the media supposed to write, flowery platitudes?
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2 Decades? The Raiders were horrible under Gruden? 1992-2012?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
http://www.sockshare.com/file/3A0DFB5D33694268#
movie time ! the new movie THE GREY . liam neeson rocks in this movie .
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Debate: If Eli wins next Sunday…who’s better? him or Peyton?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Better part of 2 decades…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Debate: If Eli wins next Sunday…who’s better? him or Peyton?
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The Giants Defense!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Peyton is a better QB IMO. Eli has the better team
January 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
309.DutchRaider77 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Debate: If Eli wins next Sunday…who’s better? him or Peyton?
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The Giants Defense!
LOL, Good one!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
The Raiders have been horrible for the better parts of 2 decades. Wtf is the media supposed to write, flowery platitudes?
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2 Decades? The Raiders were horrible under Gruden? 1992-2012?
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Gruden was only here 4 years, Dutch. Two of those years were 8-8.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
hwndr.. i thought raider fans were smarter than the general fanbase. what kinda dumb question is that
/ eli & peyton are not in sum competition . their teams won those games. they played different competitors . the overall stats dont even compare. eli is way behind. also , its situational. if peyton played with the giants who knows ? i mean dont be ridiculous. ei manning is not a top 5 q.b,. in the n.f.l. no matter bout all the media love lately .
January 27th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
John Fox has some class.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
The Raiders have been horrible for the better parts of 2 decades. Wtf is the media supposed to write, flowery platitudes?
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2 Decades? The Raiders were horrible under Gruden? 1992-2012?
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Gruden was only here 4 years, Dutch. Two of those years were 8-8.
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Then say, they have been horrible for the last 10 years. Bu there was some entertaining, decent football from 1992 -2002…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Aig
did you just really say that more attempts = more “success” regardless of what you did with those attempts?
Come on.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
No RR
I saw what all scouts (except Mr. Davis) saw in Pryor’s college career. Inaccuracy vs the better defenses, and mostly broken play or roll/out one-read success in his passing.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Alex,
you’re certain Pryor falls in the 98% based upon the 1 snap he played in 2011?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
John Fox has some class.
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Yeah, I miss the rat…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
and Yes, I think it’s very reasonable to assume Pryor will fall on the 90% of QB category.
If you’re not a 1st rounder, you’re likely not good.
If that’s 90% accurate, I’m very comfortable with stating Pryor will CONTINUE to do in his passing what he did in college…struggle with it.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
314,Agreed,that says to me,Weve got the Right Guy,unless the donk has another motive,time will TELL.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Then say, they have been horrible for the last 10 years. Bu there was some entertaining, decent football from 1992 -2002…
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Maybe by your standards, but I’ve been a Raider fan since the Dead Sea was still sick.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
marcuskegsMcfadden Trade
Please dont let this be true. DMAC is one of the most exciteing players in the leage right now. Watching him with the ball brings me to my feet every time. You never know what hes going to do. Healty he can easily be the Best RB in the NFL. Is he is hurt alot, Yes. But he can be healty all of next year, you never know. Trading him for draft picks this year is not worth it. I bet at the best the highest we can get is a 3rd rounder for him.
I just read on Bleacher Report that it would be smart to trade him for Draft picks, and that we could get a third and fouth for him. That way we could build our Oline and D-Backs. How does this make since. Trade away one of the most explosive players in the the leage for a 3rd rounder Olineman and a 4th rounder DB. Lets see Would you rather have DMAC for half a season, OR Bruce Cambell, DVD, Chimdi Chekwa, Joseph Barksdale for a full season. pluse i’m really not impressed with the players in this years draft anyways.
With the money we save this year from the draft, go out and sign some free agents (Mario Williams, Might Light, Asante Samuels)
Please do not trade DMAC…… Thoughts? Agree or Dissagree?
…more
January 27th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Eli is a top 5 QB, no question!
He set the record for QB rating in the 4thQtr this year!
He owns the most road victories in the playoffs ever!
The only QB’s better than him right now are:
Rodgers
Brady
Would take him over Bree’s too!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
“I’ve not seen an objective projection that considers Pryor better than a 4th, and that was generous by Mike Mayock’s standards, he was just determining over/under.
Blesto (through NFP) had the guy more like a 7th rounder if not UFA:”
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/…-material.html
January 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The reasons to trade DMAC, he is my fav Raider BTW:
1) he is always hurt and not “availiable”
2) name me a SB winner with a top 3 running back lately?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Marcus
don’t read Bleacher Report.
Ever. Silly.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Oh wait the best of them all…Warren Moon. Never drafted.
Moon didn’t go undrafted because he was a bad QB, he went undrafted because he is… well you know… He is not like Stabler and Plunket and Brady and Manning and Elway and Kelly and Marino and Johnny U and Gannon and Palmer and Rogers and Rivers and Breese and Montana and Young and Fouts and Blanda… You know what I’m sayin
January 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
303 says:
“2) name me a SB winner with a top 3 running back lately?”
So, if you have one of the best RBs, you should trade him and try to draft a top-3…QB? Can’t think of any other position that constantly represents in the SB.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
And when the few examples you have span 35 years, you know it’s not a solid argument.
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Aig-Raiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Oh wait the best of them all…Warren Moon. Never drafted.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Bleacher Report = useless.
Like semi pros in training with their own website.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Allen is just what this team needs. No more scholarships…Put up or go elsewhere if any team will take you. And no more tweeting from parties at 2:30 AM when you’re playing the biggest game of the season that afternoon. Hue didn’t have control of this bunch just like the last few coaches before him. That definitely factored into his canning.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Aig
did you just really say that more attempts = more “success” regardless of what you did with those attempts?
Come on.
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Now now dont change the subject and dont twist my words.
1. Where is that link you promised? ooops. You dont have it.
2. You said Cam’s comp % in college was more impressive and that 61.9% by Jamarcus was not impressive. Anyone that has any intelligence in analyzing stats that a 797 attempts with a 61.9% is much more impressive than 292 attempts at 66%. It’s like looking at a pitcher that pitches 9 innings with a 3.5 ERA vs a pitcher with 3 innings at 3.0 ERA. Get it?
3. Warren Moon had 50.2% in college. No not just against top teams but his entire college career. Dang he must suck by your standard. He HAS ABSOLUTELY ZERO CHANCE TO SUCCEED in the NFL.
You can drop the comp % argument now. It has just been debunked. BTW Pryor’s college career % is 60.9. Does that guarantee his success? NO. Does it guarantee his failure? NO. You do realize that Drew Brees and Eli had lower % than Jamarcus right?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
In July, 2010, Sports Illustrated had a story on the “26-27-60″ Rule and success for NFL quarterbacks.
The Rule goes like this. A college quarterback has a good chance of success in the NFL if he demonstrates:
Intelligence by scoring 26 on the Wunderlic Test, a 50-question intelligence test taken in 12 minutes
Experience by starting 27 games in college
Accuracy, a premium quality for NFL quarterback, by completing at least 60% of his passes in college
January 27th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
313.doriangray Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
hwndr.. i thought raider fans were smarter than the general fanbase. what kinda dumb question is that
/ eli & peyton are not in sum competition . their teams won those games. they played different competitors . the overall stats dont even compare. eli is way behind. also , its situational. if peyton played with the giants who knows ? i mean dont be ridiculous. ei manning is not a top 5 q.b,. in the n.f.l. no matter bout all the media love lately .
Really? shaking my head…everyone was on Cam vs Pryor…my bad for starting a new convo! I thought you were better than that…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
The 26-27-60 rule is a good starting point for NFL QB success.
Pryor fails the first one (intelligence/wunderlic)
If you look at his 60% accuracy in college, you see dominant games vs the Ohio Bobcats, Indiana, Purdue, etc
and sub 50% accuracy vs most upper-half Big-10 teams, and nearly ALL good non-Big-10 teams.
Uh oh.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
If Moon had a running game to operate with and a solid defense getting him the ball back he’d be in every discussion of greatest QBs ever.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Alex,
Jamarcus had a higher comp % than Eli or Brees. Are you sure you want to use the comp % in your argument as a good indicator of a QB that will be successful in the NFL? for the last time, answer the effin question! YOU CAN’T HANDLE THE TRUTH!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
here’s the SI link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html
January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
You never know but smart money says Pryor will be a Brad Smith type of weapon if anything.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
January 27th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Aig
please read. It’s one of three indicators.
If you know the guy has drug issues and study-habit issues, those are obviously red flags.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
True Canuck. If we don’t look at it like blinded fans, we would all agree that this is the most reasonable projection based on eye-witness scouting and statistical analysis.
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CanuckRaider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
You never know but smart money says Pryor will be a Brad Smith type of weapon if anything.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
isnt it funny how mike tomlin doesnt get to pick any of his coordinators but no media scrutiny of steelers owners? also , isnt jim irsay tryna fill al davis shoes ? he wants to be the most famous owner in the league .
January 27th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
336,Without Question,period
January 27th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Yeah Hendu. Got to see all too much of him beating my home team when his Eskimos were winning the Grey Cup every year.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
aig
here’s a study that proves you wrong. The NUMBER of Pass attempts have no correlation with NFL success.
http://www.pigskinology.com/qb-carav-and-college-attempts.php
Now, attempts, completion %, coupled with a few other factors do show a higher correlation.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
here’s the SI link:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/writers/john_lopez/07/08/qb.rule/index.html
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Acoording to the article, they mentioned the follwing QB’s as successful and aced that test.
Kyle Orton – Cut by the Broncos.
Kevin Kolb – A disaster in Arizona.
Ryan Fitzpatrick – Buff wants their money back.
Losers per the article
Michael Vick – I think he is doing quite well.
Daunte Culpepper – had more success than Kyle, Kevin or Ryan Fitz.
Sam Bradford was supposed to ace the test too. How did he do this year?
Do you even read the article you quote?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Further to #345: Warren also bulked up a fair bit when he went to the NFL. I recall him being very athletic when he played up here in addition to the big arm.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
aig
here’s a study that proves you wrong. The NUMBER of Pass attempts have no correlation with NFL success.
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Show me MY EFFIN POST where I said “the number of pass attempts have correlation with NFL success”. Do you even read?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and pass completion%:
USC 44%, Wisconsin 38%, Penn St. 47%, Arkansas 56%, Iowa 54%, Wisconsin 50%, Miami 44%
Ohio Bobcats – 75% Marshall 68% Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76% Indiana – 80% Purdue 72% Minnesota 81%
Don’t tell me YOU DON’T NOTICE ANYTHING.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Vote NO,NO, NO in LA Times Poll asking if YOU want the OAKLAND Raiders to Vote to LA!@@@@@@@@@@@@@
http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/sports_blog/2012/01/should-mark-davis-move-the-oakland-raiders-back-to-la-poll.html
January 27th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
How funny would it be if Singletary gets hired as DC? A few fools on the team would probably list their homes immediately. Be ready Kell.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
#350: Ouch…Those are some scary bad stats.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
aig, you said it right here
“Anyone who actually has any decent knowledge of stat analysis would tell you that the guy with 797 attempts is more impressive than the guy who attempted 292 of it. ”
the guys came to two DIFFERENT outcomes, so you’re simply comparing the total number of attempts. Weird.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I like Geno Smith, because he is a pocket passer, with great size and arm strength.
But he is not all that athletic. When he goes to the combine, he will grade out in the middle of the pack for QB’s.
His 40 time is listed at 4.78, which is more Drew Bledsoe like than guys like Locker, Cam, Tebow and even Stafford.
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His forty time is very misleading, and he is far more than a pocket passer. his pocket passing is fantastic, but he deserves much more credit for his athleticism than you give him. He is a pass first qb and doesnt like to run but he is a guy that can scramble for 10-20 yards if he needs to. He is also good in the red zone passing or as a threat for qb draw plays. the offense he plays in depends on his passing and the threat he presents as a runner.
I reminds me of arron brooks, only a far better decision maker, game manager style, and more accurate not as streaky as brooks. he is a guy that will scramble for first downs, but mainly scrambles to throw.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I want a QB that runs like the wind, reads defense like a computer, and can hit a nats ass with a football from 80 yards.
That’s all I want.
Get it done Reggie
January 27th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Alex aren’t you the guy who always ranted on and on about Al Davis being a slave to the tape measure and stopwatch? Always about the numbers for that Al Davis. Fastest, stongest, biggest, etc. And now you’re trying to argue Quarterbacks with solely statistical measures? What a tool…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
352,My Canadian Brother,Why Not?I want a smash mouth DC,
January 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Let’s make it look prettier:
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
Don’t tell me YOU DON’T NOTICE ANYTHING.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Let’s make it look prettier:
THE DEFINITIVE PRYOR EXPERIENCE!!
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
CREAM PUFFS:
Ohio Bobcats – 75%
Marshall 68%
Eastern Michigan (don’t laugh) – 76%
Indiana – 80%
Purdue 72%
Minnesota 81%
Don’t tell me YOU DON’T NOTICE ANYTHING.
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Be more interested to know the W/L outcome of these games.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
JLofty
40-times. Yes.
There are certain numbers that are important to certain positions (shuttle time, hand-size, arm-length, lower-body strength).
January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Alex when you get hired as a talent scout/position coach AND THEN are able to watch the young athlete Tyrell Pryor at EVERY practice, OTA and camp, THEN maybe I’ll listen to your ramblings. Until then, PURE CONJECTURE. And an irritating conversationalist…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Bleacher Report = useless.
Like semi pros in training with their own website.
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hahahahahaa…..Post of the day…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Forrest = TRUTH!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
all those stats tell me is terrel pryor like cold weather .. also, when u play teams like ohio state and penn state & arkanasas. guess what ? they have cornerbacks that lock on yur reciever better .. and their defensive lines get more pressure. u expext terrel pryor to play as well against friggin USC as he did against the ohio bobcats ??????????
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Forrest Hump
we’re not talking about how well the team was coached, or if Pryor OUTRAN the other team’s D run after run, or how many better athletes OSU had compared to their competition, or if Beanie Wells carried the Buckeyes to victory…
we’re talking about Pryor’s ability to pass.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
vs and completion%:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
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W-L record these games?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
It’s ALL about the W’s.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
The Miami and USC games were at Ohio. Try again. And he’s in Oakland now.
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doriangray Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
all those stats tell me is terrel pryor like cold weather
January 27th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Forrest Hump
we’re not talking about how well the team was coached, or if Pryor OUTRAN the other team’s D run after run, or how many better athletes OSU had compared to their competition, or if Beanie Wells carried the Buckeyes to victory…
we’re talking about Pryor’s ability to pass.
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So are you saying even on the passing numbers he can not improve?
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
terrel pryor shoulda played basketball . he was ranked number 2 in his state in high school . 6-6 240 pounds ? fast ? he coulda guarded lebron .
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Alex,
Are you just plain dumb? What was the context of that post. Let me explain it to you in simple forms. We are talkign about Jamarcus Russell % vs Cam Newton comp %. In that context, JR threw 797 passes to get 61.9%. Cam threw 292 to get 65.1%. You think Cam’s % is Great and that 61.9% is not impressive.
Anyone who a little common sense would tell you that the guy that threw 3x as many passes to get 4% less is actually more impressive if not as impressive. 9 innings to get 3.4 ERA is more impressive than 3 innings for 3.0 ERA. Get it?
For the record, I have proven to you that pass attempts and comp % mean squat as a predictor of NFL success. You are the moron that consistently quotes comp %. Colt McCoy had 70% comp. Moon had 50%. According to you, McCoy should do a whole lot better. Better yet, Matt Stafford, Kevin Kolb, Kyle Orton, and Ryan Fitz should do SSOOOOO much better than Warren Moon according to you.
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I prefer to talk about the ability to win. Frankly its all I care about. W’s. Pass, run, wobble, fly, makes not difference to me as long as my RAIDERS leave victorious…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
JLofty Says:
It’s ALL about the W’s.
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DRAFT ALABAMA’S QB!!!! Every year!!!!!!!!!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
JLofty Says:
It’s ALL about the W’s.
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DRAFT ALABAMA’S QB!!!! Every year!!!!!!!!!!!
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You have ZERO idea how much he has improved during his time on the bench…
Until we see him live up close and in person, in game situations, all your talk is conjecture…
January 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
302.Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
I like Geno Smith, because he is a pocket passer, with great size and arm strength.
But he is not all that athletic. When he goes to the combine, he will grade out in the middle of the pack for QB’s.
His 40 time is listed at 4.78, which is more Drew Bledsoe like than guys like Locker, Cam, Tebow and even Stafford.
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Wasn’t Tebows 40 time somewhere around 4.78? I know it wasn’t great.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
why couldnt pryor be good if he learns to read defenses? hes blessed with the physical parts . if i was him id be knocking on steve youngs door every night just stalking him.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Draft Boise State’s QB! He wins!
Draft Weeden in the 1st round!
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Speaking of W’s, maybe the Warriors can get Tyrell to play some mins at the Coli Arena. Put a thumping on that girl Kobe.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Dorian
it’s a good question. Honestly, history shows that the ability to read defenses is NOT something that improves often in the NFL,
where the game SPEEDS UP and the defenses are MORE complex.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
arizona states quarterback reminds me of andrew walter .. heck all of their qbs do. but he throws one hell of a ball.. no homo .
January 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Realtruraider, that’s cause there’s a lot more than just measurables. Not all fast guys are great NFL runners. Not by a long shot. Instincts, guts, toughness, ability to rally your mates, all matter much more than some stopwatch or scale.
Regardless. Glad RMcK “gets” that…
January 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
give up on the warriors jlofty . they suck and always will.. next time they win the kansas city royals will win the pennant . next time they win me and Ellen will make a sextape.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
aig
don’t bring up Moon anymore. What happened 30 years ago, or once every 100 times, isn’t relevant.
Comp.% (NOT AGAINST THE OHIO BOBCATS
) + arm strength + intelligence = NFL QB.
Pryor fails at two of those.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hey Thec07,imo,NEVER give up on Pryor,period.He MUST have the chance to show his ability,and Im with the many,lets see Him behind center,and then offer the lay opinion,We may be surprised
January 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
He HAS had the chance to show his ability against top college competition.
He failed.
If you think it’ll get EASIER in the NFL, that’s on you.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
384,says WHO?????
January 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
JLofty Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
I prefer to talk about the ability to win. Frankly its all I care about. W’s. Pass, run, wobble, fly, makes not difference to me as long as my RAIDERS leave victorious…
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Personally, I’d tweak this and go with the most important factor. Can he lead his men or does he ride their coat tails? JC had the top 2 backs in the country at Auburn. They were drafted 2 and 5 overall. Cam and Pryor carried their teams offensively. It doesnt guarantee their success in the NFL but the confidence to carry your crew imo is a very important criteria for the QB.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
http://sports.yahoo.com/video/player/nfl/28029656#nfl/28029656
Apparently, Hue Jackson’s press agent Mike Silver is dumping on the Allen hire. AGAIN. If anyone could summarize it, we’d be appreciative (can’t listen to it at work).
January 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Remember that game Aaron Rodgers had against USC?
Completed 29 or 31 passes? Shred them?
That’s what you do against good teams if you’re a legit QB prospect. You dominate the bad, and at least be AVERAGE or above against the good.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
oops, 29 of 31 passes.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
hendu Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hey Thec07,imo,NEVER give up on Pryor,period.He MUST have the chance to show his ability,and Im with the many,lets see Him behind center,and then offer the lay opinion,We may be surprised
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Whats good Brother…Pryor is going to BALL out for the Raiders…. He has it, and will prove it to all naysayers IMO….We are going to be surprised by this young man…
January 27th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Alex7, will argue with a sign post all day long.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Alex,
yeah I know. Once you get debunked, hey let’s not use this and that. Let’s go with your article that you so proudly boasted 26-27-60? Remember that? What happened to Kyle Orton, Kevin Kolb, Matt Stafford and Ryan Fitzpatrick? Or is that article too old now? Perhaps we shouldnt use that article anymore.
Dude, you’re a loser. Thanks for playing.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Why does it seem like somebody went and took the comments from 4 years ago and just replaced the name Russell with Pryor?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
So Alex, youd take a QB that completes 65% of his passes over a QB that wins 75% of his games anyday? Is that what youre saying?? Cuz for me, its all about W/L. If he played well enough to lead his team to a W, as a QB, THATS his job. Stats are for losers.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
i remember being at a game in memphis when the tigers beat up on tenn , and made peyton manning look lame . alex, whos to say a guy cant get better ? pryor may suck 4ever, , most black qbs do ,, but who knows.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Anyone get banned today?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Duck
Silver praises Rams for hiring Fisher. Changing culture of organization. Will tell you more in a little.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
dunno albert. but were gonna likely push that line all day .
January 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Draft Boise State’s QB! He wins!
Draft Weeden in the 1st round!
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I would love to see the Raiders draft Kellen Moore.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Albert Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Anyone get banned today?
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Yes……..Me
Well maybe not.
Test?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
No Hump,
You look at many factors.
How a team won or lost is IRRELEVANT though, that’s 100% easy.
No one cares about the Alabama QB’s won-loss record.
Or Brandon Weeden’s.
Wins = team stat.
Passing = mostly…QB stat
January 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
albert
what’s the difference between kellen moore, matt leinart, and cade mcnown?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Alex, what about TP’s rushing stats in those games?
Not important?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
HA.
it was JASON COLE saying firing Hue Jackson was a bad move.
So all you who assume Silver is lying for Hue, now have to lump Jason Cole as well.
Conspiracy theory lol
January 27th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
#398: Just you.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Jason Cole wonders how much of Dennis Allen’s success was simply tied to John Fox, Elvis Dumerville, and Von Miller showing up this year.
Seems those 3 things alone should take you from 30th-ranked to 24th.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I find it interesting that Kevin Boss (at least on twitter) is the only Raider who has said anything about Dennis Allen. He said he was excited. I get the feeling that Boss wasn’t a big fan of Hue Jack City.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Albert Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
I find it interesting that Kevin Boss (at least on twitter) is the only Raider who has said anything about Dennis Allen. He said he was excited. I get the feeling that Boss wasn’t a big fan of Hue Jack City.
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Can’t blame him, Hue never used him.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Albert, Lechler said some very positive things about Allen.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
LA
Pryor’s rushing stats were VERY IMPORTANT in those games.
But, the BIGGEST factor in successful college to NFL running QBs was their PASSING.
Vick = completion % records at VTech.
Cam = SEC passing efficiency records.
Pryor = BIG struggles vs the better competition both years.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Dang it. Ben Roethlisberger only got 23 on his wonderlic score. Dude must have sucked in the NFL so far. Dang it.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
albert
what’s the difference between kellen moore, matt leinart, and cade mcnown?
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Kellen Moore isn’t a cocky ass h*le.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Allen is a Gut hire by McKenzie.
McKenzie is a Rookie GM.
Where does that leave us?
IMO with a fresh start writing a new chapter in the Raider Chronicles.
Silver can blab all he wants.
He knows no more or less than us as to what will transpire in coming years.
Change was in order.
Rather AL was alive or dead.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Wimbley was the first to give a shout out to the new coach
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
aig
1.
2.
3.
try it. three things. And yeah, stick up for Ben’s mental ability in light of his off-field behavior. Nicely done.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Dan Marino scored a 14 on his wonderlic test.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Alex you didnt really answer the question, would you rather have a proven WINNER (Just Win BABY) or a guy that could throw the crap out of the ball. Cuz David Klingler threw the crap out of the ball. So did Akili Smith, so did Gino Toretta and on and on and on, but not all of those guys were WINNERS. Yes winning is a team stat but cant be accomplished with a bum at QB.
See :Russel, Jamarcus
January 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Regarding the games that are being mentioned about TP’s stats, does anybody have his W-L record in these games. I’m sure THE NATION would rather have a QB that is a WINNER, than a QB who looks pretty on the stat sheet!
January 27th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
BTW, if anybody gets banned, you can always use a proxy site to log in. The can’t trace your IP address that way.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RaiderLen
that was Jason Cole talking about it.
He said McKenzie came to Oakland thinking the HC/OC was already in order, but that Mark’s head-butting with Hue forced Mark/Reggie to fire Hue.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
420
Nailed it, and also one of my favorite numbers.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Raiderjambo
as you can tell by Brady, Rodgers, Brees, Manning (both), Ben Roeth., Rivers, and others
looking “pretty” on the stat sheet means you’re scoring points, which usually helps you WIN.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
JacobyFord12 Jacoby Ford
Don’t have no motivation to go to the club no more. Is something wrong with me?
1 hour ago Favorite Retweet Reply
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Stay home and study film Jacoby. You need to be more like Hagan.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
424
Somebody get me Tom Brady’s college stats so this guy will shut up already.
Alex7, youre silly, and shortsighted.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
That Greg McElroy sure was a winner in college.
Unlike that Aaron Rodgers who lost 5 games!
Let’s draft Jefferson from LSU. He wins! lol
January 27th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Regarding the games that are being mentioned about TP’s stats, does anybody have his W-L record in these games. I’m sure THE NATION would rather have a QB that is a WINNER, than a QB who looks pretty on the stat sheet!
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Or the fact that Pryor was a JUNIOR…
January 27th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
424. Fair comment Alex, but as I’ve said before THE NATION don’t really care about stats, we’d rather have a WINNER! Jim Plunkett anyone?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Dan Marino scored a 14 on his wonderlic test.
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I think He, like many of these guys didn’t give a shiiiit.
What I mean by this, is that he knew he could play and felt that a “book test” was frivolous.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
422.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RaiderLen
that was Jason Cole talking about it.
He said McKenzie came to Oakland thinking the HC/OC was already in order, but that Mark’s head-butting with Hue forced Mark/Reggie to fire Hue.
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And these Yahoo’s know this how? They are fking making schit up in there heads.
They will always be Raider haters and I wouldn’t want it any other way.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Brady 62%, 20 TDs, 6 INTs very solid.
He got lost in the shuffle as scouts were excited about QB Drew Henson, RBs Anthony Thomas, WR David Terrell, CB Charles Woodson…
January 27th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Stats by themselves mean cr@p. When the Raids were one of the top teams in the NFL against the pass…its because everyone knew they couldn’t stop the run!! So why bother!!! Raids won a handful of games. Meaningless. Denver’s defensive stats should be looked at in terms of total team play. How many 3 and outs???? They were on the field the whole game most of the time!
January 27th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
And again…
why look at the 1 in 100 outlier?
the 99 others matter more.
Pryor won’t be a very good NFL QB. easy money.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
johnny
tell me one aspect of sports that isn’t a stat.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
RaiderLen
that was Jason Cole talking about it.
He said McKenzie came to Oakland thinking the HC/OC was already in order, but that Mark’s head-butting with Hue forced Mark/Reggie to fire Hue.
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LOL
Cole is a tool.
Reggie told him that right?
Or did mark tell him that?
LOL
Garbage.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
you guys sound like the old scouts in Moneyball.
“Deez fancy computers, and statistics, and numbers, they don’t (cough, cough, where my cig and donut?)…they don’t mean anything!”
Yeah, it only tells you what actually happened.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
432. Alex pretty good stats, but what was his W-L record?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
djohnny
I think the stat you’re thinking of is the Raiders 11th-ranked passing D.
If you looked at the other stat (pass attempts) it would show you that, yes, teams chose to run on the Raiders instead.
See, the stat showed that.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
jambo,
go do your own work.
I’m a little tired of spewing so much knowledge on here
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Dan Marino scored a 14 on his wonderlic test.
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I think He, like many of these guys didn’t give a shiiiit.
What I mean by this, is that he knew he could play and felt that a “book test” was frivolous.
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I don’t know whether he gave a schit or not. My point is, There’s more to judging talent than Alex’s simplistic formulas.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
The simple fact is this, QB’s make their money at 3 crucial points in games. 3rd down conversions, the last 2 minutes of the 1st half, and the entire 4th quarter. If a guy is solid in these 3 areas he has a good shot at being a successful pro QB. Pryors legs give him a distinct advantage in these crucial times. Anyone remember Rich Gannon and how many crucial 3rd downs the guy converted with his feet?? Passing stats are NICE, but NOT the ultimate test of a QB. Now move along.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Just saying stats for a particular player or aspect of a team – offense / defense – are only meaningful in the context of the “whole” team.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
440. Relax Alex, just asking a simple question, hoping to get a simple answer from your vast knowledge of QB stats.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
KK
Marino DID NOT have low accuracy to go with that low wunderlic.
again, wunderlic is one OF THREE indicators.
Sorry it’s so hard for you guys to count to three.
They give us a high probability of success.
Of course there are outliers.
If you want to believe that Pryor is an outlier and will succeed despite low intelligence and low accuracy, knock yourself out.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
you guys sound like the old scouts in Moneyball.
“Deez fancy computers, and statistics, and numbers, they don’t (cough, cough, where my cig and donut?)…they don’t mean anything!”
Yeah, it only tells you what actually happened.
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Novelty.
Hudson, Mulder, Zito
Chavez, Giambi, Tejada
They filled in the blanks using “moneyball”
And wiffed on Swisher, Barton, Et al.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Tom Brady was 10-2.
Brian Griese was 12-0.
Henne was 11-2
Grbac was 9-0.
Wins are a dumb statistic for QBs in college. Look at Alabama’s QBs.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Stats are for losers, Pryor is a winner, get ova it
Seriously dude, Im excited to see what he will do in the preseason. Who knows he might surprise you and the rest of us, Im not expecting to much, heck he might be moved to WR by then, we will just have to wait and see.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Sometimes the best college players don’t pan out in the NFL and sometimes unproductive or underproductive college guys excell at the pro level.
Will be real interested to see TP in preseason.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Johnnylama Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Just saying stats for a particular player or aspect of a team – offense / defense – are only meaningful in the context of the “whole” team.
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Exactly. Except for people who want to cherry pick certain numbers, to make a simplistic, disingenuous argument.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Len
such a novelty that the Rangers and Diambondbacks are in the playoffs nowadays, with geeky computer-wiz general managers.
novelty that more than half of teams employ a statistical analyst nowadays.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Dan Marino scored a 14 on his wonderlic test.
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I think He, like many of these guys didn’t give a shiiiit.
What I mean by this, is that he knew he could play and felt that a “book test” was frivolous.
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I don’t know whether he gave a schit or not. My point is, There’s more to judging talent than Alex’s simplistic formulas.
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Agree 100%
They are trying to quantify qualities to lower the risk.
Intangibles can not be quantified.
That’s why some can write a report and others can tell you who can play.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Alex7
Who do you think was a better PASSING QB in college, Pryor or Tim Tebow???
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
448 & 449 Nailed it!
January 27th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
KK
would you agree that a QB’s numbers matter more than anyone else? Being that he is directly related to 60% of his team’s plays?
I guess these playoffs with the top QBs year in and year out don’t matter.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Realtrue
why aren’t you expecting much out of Pryor, since he’s such a winner?
Don’t you EXPECT him to be great? Why?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
so Raider fans bash analysis on Pryor that says he won’t be great,
yet the fans themselves DON’T expect him to be great?
Think of how absurd that is.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Alex show me a geeky computer whiz – general manager that stepped on the field of play and won a game for their team?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Len
such a novelty that the Rangers and Diambondbacks are in the playoffs nowadays, with geeky computer-wiz general managers.
novelty that more than half of teams employ a statistical analyst nowadays.
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Computers yes.
The model of Money Ball was based upon an economic model of how to best utilize limited resources.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
LA to the Bay
can you give me 2 examples of “unproductive” college QBs who now succeed in the NFL?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Len
what are those computers doing if not poring over statistics, finding out which are more relevant, over-valued, and under-valued compared to people’s wrong perceptions?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
460
John Skelton
Rich Gannon
January 27th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
460. Aaron Rogers & Eli Manning
January 27th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
jambo
you are like 3 decades behind in your thinking of how you put together winning teams.
The Raiders would be super bowl champs many times in the last 30 years if it was just a “who’s got the best players” contest.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Dan Marino scored a 14 on his wonderlic test.
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Yeah but but but Alex said you need to score high to be successful in the NFL. (sarcasm)
January 27th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
460
Tim Tebow
That Webb kid from Minnesota
January 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
No based on your analogy how many BCS Championships did Rogers and Manning win at college? After all, both in the NFL and College isn’t about winning the BIG ONE!
January 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
KK
Marino DID NOT have low accuracy to go with that low wunderlic.
again, wunderlic is one OF THREE indicators.
Sorry it’s so hard for you guys to count to three.
They give us a high probability of success.
Of course there are outliers.
If you want to believe that Pryor is an outlier and will succeed despite low intelligence and low accuracy, knock yourself out.
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All I’m saying, is I think Reggie will not be hasty, and see what the kid’s got. And he’s not a low-accuracy guy. 60% completion rate.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
JacobyFord12 Jacoby Ford
Don’t have no motivation to go to the club no more. Is something wrong with me?
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Too much X
January 27th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Aaron Rodgers was 10-2 at Cal his senior year, shredding the top-ranked USC defense (29 for 31 passing!), and again shredding Virginia Tech in their bowl game 27-of-35, 394 yards, winning it.
He elevated the Cal program to relevance, setting plenty of Cal passing records.
Unsuccessful?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Len
what are those computers doing if not poring over statistics, finding out which are more relevant, over-valued, and under-valued compared to people’s wrong perceptions?-
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“MoneyBall” was about Limited resources and finding statistically undervalued players based upon a model.(no money to compete for elite players)
The Yankees are not trying to find value per se, they want a loaded team of all stars, money be damned.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
so Raider fans bash analysis on Pryor that says he won’t be great,
yet the fans themselves DON’T expect him to be great?
Think of how absurd that is.
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Can you please explain what analysis again? I have already debunked your comp%, wonderlic, starts and arm strength. I get it. Just repeat it enough and eventually you’ll convince everyone you were right. I get it now. Gotcha.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
KK
you find this as “accurate” passing?
vs:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
LA to the Bay
can you give me 2 examples of “unproductive” college QBs who now succeed in the NFL?
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Terelle Pryor was “unproductive” in college?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Anyone see Red Tails yet? LOL
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
again, wunderlic is one OF THREE indicators.
Sorry it’s so hard for you guys to count to three.
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Alex,
How do you explain Orton, Kolb, Stafford and Fitzpatrick then? They all MET YOUR CRITERIA. What happened?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
456.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Realtrue
why aren’t you expecting much out of Pryor, since he’s such a winner?
Don’t you EXPECT him to be great? Why?
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Because he is a third round QB, This will be his first offseason as an NFL QB, he is raw like a lot of mid round QBs are, No Im not expecting him to be great in his first year, Im hopefull he will develope into a great QB because he plays for the Raiders. If not a QB then WR, TE, whatever, he has the ability to do alot of things.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
aig
his college passing scattered ability.
Mike Mayock ranking him a 4th round prospect at best.
other well-regarded places putting a 6th round grade.
That analysis.
you can’t “debunk”
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
January 27th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
I hope that Tyrell Prior can become the QB of the Raiders for the Next decade.
After Palmer has played out.
It’s the best possible outcome for all of us that call ourselves Raider fans.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
KK
you find this as “accurate” passing?
vs:
USC 44%
Wisconsin 38%
Penn St. 47%
Arkansas 56%
Iowa 54%
Wisconsin 50%
Miami 44%
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60% completion rate in his college career, is not inaccurate, with a 144 passer rating.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Aaron Rodgers was not unsuccessful in college.
He broke a string of Cal losing to USC, nearly beat them in LA the next year (and set a collegiate record of completing like 23 passes in a row), and beat Va Tech in a bowl game.
That was the best Cal has been since the great Mike Pawlawski.
January 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
LA to the Bay
can you give me 2 examples of “unproductive” college QBs who now succeed in the NFL?
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Terelle Pryor was “unproductive” in college?
I’m not a big college FB fan but Matt Flynn was a 5 year backup was he not?
January 27th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Never said unsuccessful, but did he play for the BCS Championship in his Senior year? No, because there was obviously somebody out there who did a better job than him. Stats don’t win championships, nor do geeky computer whiz general managers, PLAYERS who put it on the line every Sunday do!
January 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
You know who wins championships?
Skinny, little pot-headed starting pitchers.
2 more years of big-game Timmy Tim = 1 more World Series ring
January 27th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
The simple fact is this, QB’s make their money at 3 crucial points in games. 3rd down conversions, the last 2 minutes of the 1st half, and the entire 4th quarter. If a guy is solid in these 3 areas he has a good shot at being a successful pro QB.
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I have been screaming this forever in here. this is how you measure qbs on all levels, i would also include turn over totals into the mix.
a qb that protects the ball converts 3rd down and is good at end of half and fourth quarter wins more often than not.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
USC 44% – Lost 11-25
Wisconsin 38% Won 13-5
Penn St. 47% Won 17-8
Arkansas 56% Won 25-14
Iowa 54% Won 33-18
Wisconsin 50% L 14-28
Miami 44% Won 27-12
Gosh…5-2 record for his team during his worst games. If only the Raiders could be that lucky.
You sure you still want to use these games Alex?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Aig
Orton and Stafford both meet the “experience” and 60% benchmarks.
They both have had some NFL success.
what’s your point? Kolb is too young to determine.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Forrest Hump Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
460
Tim Tebow
That Webb kid from Minnesota
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Joe webb was very good at uab he was one of the best in his conference, highly under rated.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
aig
5-2 at Ohio State isn’t exactly what they aim for.
we’re talking passing ability.
Not “which team is better.”
So yes, let’s stick with those games.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
You know who wins championships?
Skinny, little pot-headed starting pitchers.
2 more years of big-game Timmy Tim = 1 more World Series ring
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If, If, If
Pablo stays fit and healthy
Buster plays up to His rookie year
The newbies contribute
Wilson can still close games
January 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Joe Webb and Tim Tebow could have an accuracy contest that would be as about as successful as a Shaq and Dwight Howard free throw contest.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
that Joe Webb kid is very similar to Pryor in pass/run ability, and both will likely have a similar NFL experience.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Giants! oops,Baseball
January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
fixed it JFB
Joe Webb, Terrelle Pryor, and Tim Tebow could have an accuracy contest that would be about as successful as a Shaq and Dwight Howard free throw contest.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Pablo stays fit and healthy
Buster plays up to His rookie year
The newbies contribute
Wilson can still close games
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-Pablo will be fin
-Buster will be better, and not catching all his games
-Got some youngsters set to contribute
-The Beard is toast, I saw it happen the middle of last year. He is pretty much a slider only pitcher.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
JFB
you know how you peg which skinny, pot-head pitchers to draft?
statistics.
Mainly nowadays, power-pitchers. Swings and misses in HS/College/Minors = success in pros.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Pryor is our franchise QB for the next 10-12 years. Reggie needs to cut Palmer and roll with with TP.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@LeviDamien Levi Damien
Per @alexmarvez Can confirm Emmitt Thomas is in the mix for #Raiders DC.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Aig
Orton and Stafford both meet the “experience” and 60% benchmarks.
They both have had some NFL success.
what’s your point? Kolb is too young to determine.
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The point is your criteria and the article you used to support your points identified Kolb, Orton, Stafford and Fitz as successful QB’s DO NOT WORK.
Orton – failure
Kolb – a failure in AZ. The fans here want to bench him for a rookie.
Stafford – nice year huh?
Fitz – Buff wants their money back.
So you get the point now?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Raiders really should consider hiring Tresell as OC and reunite him with Pryor.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
aig-raiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
How many times do I have to debunk you? B is prob right. You are Mr.
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You just figured that out?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Don’t have to preach it to me, I am a numbers guy.
But I do think there is some value in the eye test. Not every success or fail can be projected long-term based strictly whether there was a failure or success.
Adrian Peterson didn’t always have the best collegiate numbers, but when you say him plow over 2 guys, and drag another 2 for an 11 yard gain, you realized that dude was on another level.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
correction….I was referring to Bradford. Getting Stafford mixed with Bradford. Bradford met the criteria per Alex’s article.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
498.YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@LeviDamien Levi Damien
Per @alexmarvez Can confirm Emmitt Thomas is in the mix for #Raiders DC.
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Say it ain’t so, we are going to have a Donkey as HC and a Queef as our DC, oh boy
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Same goes with Pryor.
I seen him complete some deep balls in college that looked more like punts than passes.
That won’t fly at this level.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
You just figured that out?
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yeah, shame on me.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
lol Aig, you’re getting ridiculous
Orton was a 4th round pick. Failure??
Fitz was a 7th rounder. Failure???
Those teams understood what #s to look at to get more out of their 4th and 7th round picks than most get out of higher ones.
ANY QB that’s drafted that low and is playing in the league for multiple years, and starting, can’t be called a failure.
That’s kinda what you draft them for.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Damn! Emmitt Thomas is older than that old ass negro KoolKell!
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
498.YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@LeviDamien Levi Damien
Per @alexmarvez Can confirm Emmitt Thomas is in the mix for #Raiders DC.
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Say it ain’t so, we are going to have a Donkey as HC and a Queef as our DC, oh boy
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Willie Brown was a Bronco, too. Who cares? Only idiots do.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Until we see what Pryor is capable of in the NFL, all of what is said about his skill set is speculation. All the numbers, comparisons, formulas is the same bull I’m sure they said about Brady, Gannon, Warner etc. We don’t know how hard he is working to develop as a quarterback, or if he is not..but we do know that he is accustomed to winning and he has tremendous upside as an athlete. I’m in no rush to see him on the field and the more he sits the more he should be prepared when the oppoertunity arrives.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Pablo stays fit and healthy
Buster plays up to His rookie year
The newbies contribute
Wilson can still close games
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-Pablo will be fin
-Buster will be better, and not catching all his games
-Got some youngsters set to contribute
-The Beard is toast, I saw it happen the middle of last year. He is pretty much a slider only pitcher.
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Which youngsters?
Ford, Crawford, Belt,….others?
I like Belt, intrigued by Ford, Crawford…eh
They also had another bat, 26 or 27, can’t remember His name…….
Too bad if you’re right about Wilson.
Hope Pablo has seen the light of fitness…
Buster is an open ended thing for me…could be better, or maybe not.
If I were to bet on Buster, i’d take the over on his rookie year, but I don’t bet.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
aig
would you call our 4th round trade for JC a failure??
the heck is wrong with you today.
You’re calling Bradford at this early stage a failure?
wow.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
and if we got Fitzpatrick level of production out of all our 7th round picks…
failure?? lol
January 27th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Also works with me and “Missile” Mike.
It isn’t so much some of the missed tackles he has, it’s the fact that he looks like his kneecaps are sewn together and just ends up flat-footed why the guy blows past him.
He is so awful in space, I see no way he can ever be anything other than Sam Williams 2.0
January 27th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
With the proper coaching, and correct work ethic TP could certainly be a good QB in the NFL. Has the physical attributes and smarts to get it done.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
@Miami,
Yup. There is no such thing as a valid formula. If there was, NFL teams (known in this league for copycatting) would not have so many top drafted QBs fail. But Alex insists that there is such a formula. Even the article he used contains 3 out of 10 guys that hasnt panned out. Guys were supposed to fail…Daunte, Vick and Young had won more games than Fitzpatrick, Kolb, and Orton.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Miami
I’m glad you brought up Brady, Gannon, and Warner.
Think about Brady, Gannon, and Warner. Think about their BURNING desire to soak up and compete, to learn, to lead.
Then think of Pryor bobbing his head to the Coliseum music, standing off on the sidelines nowhere near where learning could take place.
Rough comparison / hope.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Brandon Belt is the new Neuchsler. He needs to play 150 games (health permitting) at first, and he is an awesome defensive 1st baseman.
Crawford is a scrappy glue guy, I like him, but I can’t see him ever hitting much more than .280, and probably more in the .245 range.
The big hick from Carolina, the lefty;name is slipping me right now, is going to lead the NL in innings this year, and bag 13-18 wins.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Do people look at football in black and white just for the sake of arguing?
Only one team wins the super bowl and so much has to happen in order for them to achieve that.
Trent Dilfer has a ring, Marino doesn’t. The Colts lose Manning and barely win any games. Brady is bypassed by every team in his draft and has 3 rings. Alex Smith just started in a conference championship. Carson Palmer never has. Some times it comes down to kickers, some times it doesn’t. A team with less than 10 wins is playing in the SB. There are so many random stats that negate any type of for sure fact on how a team can or won’t succeed that it’s pointless to argue as if we know which minuscule ones are more important.
There are 53 guys on a team and a staff of coaches that all work under a GM, owner or both, and they all effect each other.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Aig
have you noticed fewer QB duds in the drafts the last few years?
Between 1990 and 2002 (baby age of internet, stat collection) 1st round QBs were a 50-50 mix in the 1st round.
The last 7 years or so, now that we have better mathematical understanding, we’re getting fewer 1st round QB duds. Drug head aside.
We’re closer to an 80% success rate for QBs in the 1st round nowadays.
It has improved.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
good post Breaking Black
it’s silly to give QBs credits for wins, especially playoff / SB wins.
Judging them on their actual passing ability, that’s much easier and helpful.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Same goes with Pryor.
I seen him complete some deep balls in college that looked more like punts than passes.
That won’t fly at this level.
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I tend to be one of the more optimistic fans out there; sometimes despite all evidence to the contrary, but even in my best Raider dreams have I pondered for a second that Pryor would ever be anything but a complete failure as a passing QB.
I will say he would’ve been great on that 3rd and 3 against Detroit, the one Palmer overthrew Schilens on.
Pryor could’ve taken that in the “wildcat” and easily tip toed for a first. Those are the kind of situations I feel we could use him in…with great success.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
aig
would you call our 4th round trade for JC a failure??
the heck is wrong with you today.
You’re calling Bradford at this early stage a failure?
wow.
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I’m actually fine. Business is slow today due to Friday. Thanks for asking.
Your logic is stupid. Just admit. I debunked everyone one of your point…backed up by actual stats.
1. Bradford – You think the Rams would prefer Luck or RGIII over him? He sucked so far. Simple as that.
2. Fitzpatrick was supposed to be a succssful QB per your article and your criteria. Who cares where he was drafted. He has not been successful.
3. JC is a failure as a 1st round draft NFL QB. He is best a back up. 2 yrs ago you were on here blasting JC. Are you telling me now that you are a JC fan?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Sorry for the Giants talk, but pitchers and catchers report soon and I am “all in” and “geeked”
January 27th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Willie Brown was a Bronco, too. Who cares? Only idiots do.
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Ask Willie Brown if hes a Raider are a Donkey, emmit is a lifelong chief, big deference bro, I doubt he would even feel right about coaching here, only idiots would think it doesn’t matter.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
517.Clutching at straws Alex, did you see the young QB Brady at Foxboro, during intermissions when Bledsoe was QB?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
At 6′6 and nice maneuverability, Pryor can be dangerous just falling forward in short yardage situations.
He can be a great weapon if used correctly.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Aig
have you noticed fewer QB duds in the drafts the last few years?
Between 1990 and 2002 (baby age of internet, stat collection) 1st round QBs were a 50-50 mix in the 1st round.
The last 7 years or so, now that we have better mathematical understanding, we’re getting fewer 1st round QB duds. Drug head aside.
We’re closer to an 80% success rate for QBs in the 1st round nowadays.
It has improved.
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What an effin stupid post. When you make claims like this, please be sure to include facts and stats to back it up. 80% for first rounders? Wow. Got any proof?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Brandon Belt is the new Neuchsler. He needs to play 150 games (health permitting) at first, and he is an awesome defensive 1st baseman.
Crawford is a scrappy glue guy, I like him, but I can’t see him ever hitting much more than .280, and probably more in the .245 range.
The big hick from Carolina, the lefty;name is slipping me right now, is going to lead the NL in innings this year, and bag 13-18 wins.
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I like Belt quite a bit.
Bumgarner.
Crawford, 280 …imo…would be a career year.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
aig
fitz as a 7th rounder is over-achieving. 101 out of 100 GMs would draft Fitz in the 7th again.
you are wow bad today.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Alex7:
Yeah if we could trade Dmac for 2 draft picks , I’d do it. I mean again, top RB’s generally aren’t part of SB winning teams, those are the facts.
Gotta have a Studback there spinning the ball around. We have the receivers, need the QB.
We know the Defense will be good enough, you don’t need a #1 defense either, just something in the top 15 as far as points allowed.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
as for JC
there aren’t many good QBs chosen below the top-15.
Guys like Brees, Brady, and Schaub are a big exception.
Most top QBs in the NFL are top-15 picks.
JC at the bottom of round 1 developed about how you’d expect. Solid, average, NFL QB. 8-8 king.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Alex, thats just the age in which we live in now, with hip-hop and swag, you know? lol He’s a kid and I’m sure as hell, he must be in awe just to be down on that field. Now, I hope he has that burning desire to be the best like the players I mentioned before but only time will tell.
Do you think the Bronco’s are better with Pryor at QB and the same number of passing attempts?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Then think of Pryor bobbing his head to the Coliseum music, standing off on the sidelines nowhere near where learning could take place.
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Apparently you missed the report that Pryor is Palmer’s workout buddy and is following Palmer around to soak up as much as he can like a little puppy. It’s obvious you have a personal hatred for him.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
303
what would you draft with those 2 picks?
The 4th-best QB this year? Yuck. Those don’t work out very well most of the time, especially when the draft is so weak at QB after the top 2.
You’d get like a Chad Henne-type of QB. I’ll keep DMac instead.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Yes there are 53 players, and lots of variables that can go INTO ONE SEASON.
But with statistics, over a larger sample size these things work themselves out.
Guys like Dilfer don’t win Super Bowls often, or even playoff games. Guys like Eli and Brady do, almost every year.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
# alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
as for JC
there aren’t many good QBs chosen below the top-15.
Guys like Brees, Brady, and Schaub are a big exception.
Most top QBs in the NFL are top-15 picks.
JC at the bottom of round 1 developed about how you’d expect. Solid, average, NFL QB. 8-8 king.
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I agree JC isn’t “elite” or even close to that, but isn’t he 13-7 as a starter for us?
For a team that’s gone 8-8 past couple years, that’s not too bad.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Yes Aig,
I have proof.
Look at this SI article for 1ST ROUND QBS BETWEEN 1992 and 2001.
http://sports.espn.go.com/nfldraft/story?id=1539344
Some TERRIBLE names.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Ask Willie Brown if hes a Raider are a Donkey, emmit is a lifelong chief, big deference bro, I doubt he would even feel right about coaching here, only idiots would think it doesn’t matter.
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Coached for the Packers, who beat the Chiefs in Superbowl I. Coached for the Cards, Eagles, Vikings, and Falcons, too. The dude is a professional, not some whiney fan.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
What can we deduce from the following?
Just that it’s an indicator, but not one you can count on.
Wonderlic scores for the NFL’s projected starting quarterbacks:
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
20. Kyle Orton 26
23. Ben Roethlisberger 25
24. Jason Campbell 23
25. Brett Favre 22
25. Tim Tebow 22
25. Chad Henne 22
28. Bruce Gradkowski 19
29. Vince Young 15
30. Donovan McNabb 14
30. David Garrard 14
Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore
Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36
Colt McCoy, Texas 25
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23
Tebow 22
Other Wonderlic scores of note:
Brian Griese 39
Drew Bledsoe 36
Steve Young 33
John Elway 29
Chad Pennington 25
JaMarcus Russell 24
Mark Brunell 22
Trent Dilfer 22
Michael Vick 20
Daunte Culpepper 18
Dan Marino 15
Randall Cunningham 15
Jim Kelly 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Chris Leak 8
January 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I would trade him for 2 picks where we could get a corner and LB.
Dmac is my fav Raider, hands down.
The facts are this for SB winners:
1) Top flight QB
2) offense that has weapons that you can spread them out and attack the defense
3) bend don’t break defense that rushes the QB, takes the ball away, and is top 15 in points allowed.
We have some holes to fill on the defense and Dmac’s health is a question. It is a tought call that thankfully I don’t have to make but you don’t need an all world RB to win it all.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Miami
I’m glad you brought up Brady, Gannon, and Warner.
Think about Brady, Gannon, and Warner. Think about their BURNING desire to soak up and compete, to learn, to lead.
Then think of Pryor bobbing his head to the Coliseum music, standing off on the sidelines nowhere near where learning could take place.
Rough comparison / hope.
So you are saying Pryor is “A” typical, kinda like Jamarcus Russell. You know Drug problems, Lazy, mentally slow, low IQ, family problems…
January 27th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
As far as Eli over Peyton, give me Eli anyday.
You can’t seem to rattle him. Peyton has PROVEN over his career, that if you hit him like Eli was last week, he will fold and pout, and publicly blame his O-lineman (which he did).
January 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
#1 pick in the draft, way back?
Jeff George 10
Score didn’t affect being picked, but ws dead on regarding thinking, something he avoided at all costs.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Tebow has stirred it up a bit. “IF”, and that’s a big “IF”, the league trends toward adopting the “Tebow Way” more and more then we do have the right guy already on our roster who could step in and do it better than the hapless Gator.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
webb is far more accurate than tim tebow, and pryor, and he doesnt have the mecahinics issue either.
If you watched him at uab (99% of you clearly didnt) he was very good passing qb, with incredible running gifts. Very much a young Cunningham type.
The more time he sees on the field the better he will get, his accuracy issue can be chalked up to inexperience, and rookie nerves.
Webb in my eyes is much better passer than tebow and pryor. there is no question he is far better than ponder as well.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Honestly, doesn’t really matter where coaches come from, as long as they are here to “JUST WIN BABY!”
January 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Alex,
Speaking of 1st round QBs taken high per your post. Hmm…it doesnt look like 80% success to me
2002 First QB taken – David Carr, #1
Patrick Ramsey, #32; Joey Harrington, #3
Rex Grossman, #22; Byron Leftwich, #7, Kyle Boller 19th
2005 First QB taken – Alex Smith, #1
Jason Campbell, #25
2007 First QB taken – JaMarcus Russell, #1
2009 Runners-Up – Josh Freeman, #17; Mark Sanchez, #5
2010 First QB taken – Sam Bradford, #1
2011 Gabbert and Ponder
January 27th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Starting in 2003, the rate of successful 1st round QBs went up.
somewhat successful: Palmer, Leftwhich, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Alex Smith, Rodgers, JC, Vince Young, Cutler, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Stafford.
duds were fewer: Leinart, Losman, Boller (king of innaccurate comp. % in college), Quinn, and Russell.
Much better success nowadays with our advanced knowledge.
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/402469-1st-round-quarterbacks-of-this-decade-a-recap/page/7
January 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Hahahahaha I told you about this cat 3 years ago, and you losers said he could play ( jfb, aig, and a host of others), slap yourselves
http://youtu.be/TpMWjmfwhCg
January 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
LOL at Jamarcus out-Wonderlicing Bruce and Soup.
I always said he wasn’t as dumb as people said on here, he just didn’t give a shat.
In fact he was pretty smart, if making money and exerting minimal effort was the plane, he knocked it out of the park.
And I do think, that was the plan.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Hahahahaha I told you about this cat 3 years ago, and you losers said he couldnt play ( jfb, aig, and a host of others), slap yourselves
http://youtu.be/TpMWjmfwhCg
January 27th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
so the first link (1990s – 2002) shows about 40% “hit” rate on 1st round QBs
while the second link (2003 – 2009) shows 13 out of 18 (72%)
January 27th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
R8rArt Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
What can we deduce from the following?
Just that it’s an indicator, but not one you can count on.
Wonderlic scores for the NFL’s projected starting quarterbacks:
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
20. Kyle Orton 26
23. Ben Roethlisberger 25
24. Jason Campbell 23
25. Brett Favre 22
25. Tim Tebow 22
25. Chad Henne 22
28. Bruce Gradkowski 19
29. Vince Young 15
30. Donovan McNabb 14
30. David Garrard 14
Unknown: Matt Cassel, Matt Moore
Top quarterback prospects in 2010 NFL draft
Sam Bradford, Oklahoma 36
Colt McCoy, Texas 25
Jimmy Clausen, Notre Dame 23
Tebow 22
Other Wonderlic scores of note:
Brian Griese 39
Drew Bledsoe 36
Steve Young 33
John Elway 29
Chad Pennington 25
JaMarcus Russell 24
Mark Brunell 22
Trent Dilfer 22
Michael Vick 20
Daunte Culpepper 18
Dan Marino 15
Randall Cunningham 15
Jim Kelly 15
Terry Bradshaw 15
Chris Leak 8
Funny thing the bottom 3, and 4 out of the bottom 8 are like Pryor in a distinct way.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Looks like their aren’t a lot of cats in here that are down with my boy Pryor. You can all apologize to me and Mistic when Pryor is in the Pro Bowl.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Notice the old thinking, this is a new time fellas
THIS IS THE WAVE OF THE FUTURE!!!
http://youtu.be/3jTx7KjrT28
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Mistic,
Webb was asked to change positions at the combine to WR, so clearly he wasn’t THAT good in college.
And his accuracy is abysmal.
And don’t give me that “old boys” way. Minny has had black QB’s for most of the last 10 years, and his coach is black.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
But 303
using your own logic, there aren’t exactly lots of awesome CBs in the Super Bowl this year.
Why do you value that more than a top RB?
Revis, Nnamdi, Bailey = Super Bowl shutout. Just debating
And why HOPE you land a top corner when you HAVE a top RB?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
John Tweedy
So you are saying Pryor is “A” typical, kinda like Jamarcus Russell. You know Drug problems, Lazy, mentally slow, low IQ, family problems…
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Thats much to conclude frommm, whattttt??? Do you know him personally? Lazy people don’t have that kind of physique. Take it easy Bird.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
539.YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Ask Willie Brown if hes a Raider are a Donkey, emmit is a lifelong chief, big deference bro, I doubt he would even feel right about coaching here, only idiots would think it doesn’t matter.
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Coached for the Packers, who beat the Chiefs in Superbowl I. Coached for the Cards, Eagles, Vikings, and Falcons, too. The dude is a professional, not some whiney fan.
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I was actually just fking around with my first post, but then you had to call me an idiot and say Willie Brown was a Bronco.
For real I could care less if he becomes our DC as long as he is a good one, however I would think it will be a little strange for him to coach a team he hated for so many years when he was a player. I can’t see Willie Brown coaching the chiefs.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Alex,
It’s obvious you dont even read the article you quote on here. Are you sure you want to quote me an article that has Byron Leftwich, Jamarcus and JP Losman in there?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Hmm Culpepper, Leak, and Cunningham also not very intelligent. And they too are like Pryor.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Thanks Tweedy for a non-racist solid post.
Intelligence, college accuracy (vs good teams), experience. Simple.
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John Tweedy Says:
Wonderlic scores for the NFL’s projected starting quarterbacks:
1. Ryan Fitzpatrick 48
2. Alex Smith 40
3. Eli Manning 39
4. Matt Stafford 38
5. Tony Romo 37
6. Aaron Rodgers 35
6. Matt Leinart 35
8. Tom Brady 33
9. Matt Ryan 32
10. Matt Schaub 31
11. Philip Rivers 30
12. Matt Hasselbeck 29
12. Marc Bulger 29
12. Brady Quinn 29
15. Mark Sanchez 28
15. Peyton Manning 28
15. Drew Brees 28
18. Josh Freeman 27
18. Joe Flacco 27
20. Carson Palmer 26
20. Jay Cutler 26
January 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Yes Aig
again, there are always duds, but fewer ones now.
40-50% in the past
72% last 8 years.
Like I said. It’s better now. Don’t argue the simple facts.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Yup the wave of the future.
Guys like Tebow and Alex Smith are pioneering the way winning playoff games, with athleticism and character.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Art Shell coached for the Chiefs didn’t he? A job is a job. Of course Thomas would take Raider DC job.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Jake Locker will be the next one.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Miami
I would question Pryor’s dedication to the playbook and film room:
vs USC 44%,
Wisconsin 38%,
Penn St. 47%,
Iowa 54%,
Miami 44%,
Wisconsin 50%,
January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
TP Killa Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Looks like their aren’t a lot of cats in here that are down with my boy Pryor. You can all apologize to me and Mistic when Pryor is in the Pro Bowl.
You shouldn’t call Pryor a “Boy” some may take that as offensive.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
I was actually just fking around with my first post, but then you had to call me an idiot and say Willie Brown was a Bronco.
For real I could care less if he becomes our DC as long as he is a good one, however I would think it will be a little strange for him to coach a team he hated for so many years when he was a player. I can’t see Willie Brown coaching the chiefs.
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Well if you were just fking around, you’re not an idiot. Like you said, all that matters is that the guy is good at what he does. I think he’ll bring a wealth of experience to the table, which will only help a first-year coach like Allen. Thomas has coordinated some very good defenses in his time, too.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Jake Locker will be the next one.
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Are you serious bro? Locker aint got nothing on TP.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
JFB
Locker is an intriguing guy to follow. He was wildly inaccurate at Washington, and struggled vs Nebraska both years.
yet drafted so high.
I’m thinking he ends up nowhere better than Flacco-range, but maybe he bucks the trend. We’ll see.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Yes Aig
again, there are always duds, but fewer ones now.
40-50% in the past
72% last 8 years.
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Please show me the effin proof of 72% in the last 8 yrs.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
566. One of the hardest things to see for an Old Fart Raider Fanatic was The Great Art Shell on the chefs sidelines, along with another Marcus Allan.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Miami
I would question Pryor’s dedication to the playbook and film room:
vs USC 44%,
Wisconsin 38%,
Penn St. 47%,
Iowa 54%,
Miami 44%,
Wisconsin 50%,
January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
2012, after Palmer goes down with injury, Pryor’s stats:
2,400 passing yards, 16 TDs 10 INTs
800 rushing yards 6 TDs
Raiders go 10-6
January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Mistic,
Webb was asked to change positions at the combine to WR, so clearly he wasn’t THAT good in college.
And his accuracy is abysmal.
And don’t give me that “old boys” way. Minny has had black QB’s for most of the last 10 years, and his coach is black.
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Webb only switched positions because he thought he wouldnt get a shot at qb, he was deemed an “athlete” coming out of college. This is common for qbs like him and in his position.
I didnt say anything about black vs white qbs. Webb is accurate, he was around 60% in college, and he has been over 60% as a pro in his rookie season. They changed the offense this year and it caused him to dip a bit.
He only needs time and game experience and he would be a very good player.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Ok Aig
Starting in 2003, the rate of successful 1st round QBs went up.
SUCCESSFUL: Palmer, Leftwhich, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Alex Smith, Rodgers, JC, Vince Young, Cutler, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Stafford.
DUDS: Leinart, Losman, Boller (king of innaccurate comp. % in college), Quinn, and Russell.
That’s 13 out of 18, so 72%.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Locker looked great at times last year.
And nobody talks about it, but he is measurable in EVERY FACET athletically to Cam.
He is not as big, but all his combine numbers were right there with CAm with some even better, and he would be a top 20 pick in MLB if he wanted to go that route, as a centerfielder (which are some of the best athletes in the world).
January 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Miami
I would question Pryor’s dedication to the playbook and film room:
vs USC 44%,
Wisconsin 38%,
Penn St. 47%,
Iowa 54%,
Miami 44%,
Wisconsin 50%,
Pryor may be very dedicated to the film room, though I doubt it, his problem may be genetic.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
I would hope we’d agree that making the playoffs, or having a career winning record, or being one of the better passers would typically make your GM happy.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Aig
in case you missed it twice now
Ok Aig
Starting in 2003
SUCCESSFUL: Palmer, Leftwhich, Eli, Rivers, Big Ben, Alex Smith, Rodgers, JC, Vince Young, Cutler, Matt Ryan, Flacco, Stafford.
DUDS: Leinart, Losman, Boller (king of innaccurate comp. % in college), Quinn, and Russell.
That’s 13 out of 18, so 72%.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
566. One of the hardest things to see for an Old Fart Raider Fanatic was The Great Art Shell on the chefs sidelines, along with another Marcus Allan.
It’s Allen FYI
January 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
YA, I was just fking around having a little fun, your an idiot for thinking Im an Idiot, so there!!!!
January 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
My bad YA, I miss read your post
January 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Locker struggled with accuracy at Washington, and completed only 51% of his passes in Tennessee.
That said, I imagine he’s a film-junkie if a team as “structured” as the Titans drafted him that high.
So if anyone’s going to have a trend-bucking improvement in accuracy at the NFL level, it might be him.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Alex
Dude, this is the type of dumbcrap you post. Per your effin article of bleacher report. QB’s drafted in the first round of the past 10 yrs through 2010.
Pennington, Vick, Carr, Harrington, Ramsey, Palmer, Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Manning, Rivers, Ben, Losman, Smith, Rodgers, Campbell, Young, Leinart, Cutler, Russell, Quinn, Ryan, Flacco, Stafford, Sanchez, Freeman, Bradford, and Tebow.
I have roughly between 15-17 failed QB’s out of 28. Wow hardly 72% success rate is it?
January 27th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
bad YA, I miss read your post
586.alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Locker struggled with accuracy at Washington, and completed only 51% of his passes in Tennessee.
That said, I imagine he’s a film-junkie if a team as “structured” as the Titans drafted him that high.
So if anyone’s going to have a trend-bucking improvement in accuracy at the NFL level, it might be him.
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So there you go. The new regime is trying to structure into a winning franchise like the Packers, so we’ll see. Hopefully Pryor is dedicated and I’m sure if Reggie Mck is a great talent evaluator, he’ll see if T.P has what it takes.
January 27th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Locker looked great at times last year.
And nobody talks about it, but he is measurable in EVERY FACET athletically to Cam.
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LMAO!!!!! Every facet except PLAYING QB!!!!! he cant throw like Cam and he cant run like Cam. Jake locker = a poor mans mark brunnel. Nimble on his feet not as accurate as brunnel
LAUGHABLE
THERE HAS NEVER BEEN ANOTHER CAM NEWTON IN THE NFL HE IS A ONCE IN A GENERATION QB……BOOK IT
http://youtu.be/hRPgvB4sy3k
January 27th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
No Aig
you have to read my posts better. I started in 2003, being that according to research, that was one of the bigger internet boom years.
2000, 2001, 2002, not as much relevant football info on the internet, not as many independent studies, etc.
You made it 2000 to now. I said 2003.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Allen will have complete control of the on-field operations such as practice schedules, choosing starting lineups and playing time and systems of offensive and defensive football.
He will have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff, which may or may not include some members of Jackson’s staff.
………
My favorite part of the article above. How long have we waited for this day to come?
Finally, it will start and end with the Head Coach.
No more scholarship players, no more playing one coach against another, and no more interference in the game plan.
It truly is a new day for the Raiders.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Cam being overrated is by far the dumbest thing I’ve heard since my best friends girl asked me when March Madness started.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
lol Aig
it was the SECOND sentence. How can you miss that? You’re more into name-calling than reading, I guess.
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“Ok Aig
Starting in 2003″…
January 27th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Well, if he is a once in a lifetime QB, he needs to at least be playing for a playoff spot the end of next year.
If not, he is Randall Cunningham.
Once in a lifetime players, at just about any position, lead there time to playoff wins IMMEDIATELY.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I don’t know much about Emmit Thomas’ coaching career, does anybody know some info on his coaching
January 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Ok starting 2003,
Fine lets remove 5 guys. Pennington Vick Carr Harrington Ramsey.
I still got 13 dud qbs out of 23. Hmmm…where is that 72% you are referrring to?
January 27th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
498.YoungAmerican Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
@LeviDamien Levi Damien
Per @alexmarvez Can confirm Emmitt Thomas is in the mix for #Raiders DC.
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Say it ain’t so, we are going to have a Donkey as HC and a Queef as our DC, oh boy
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Willie Brown was a Bronco, too. Who cares? Only idiots do.
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I like the idea of strengthening our team while weakening our division rivals. Smart plays.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
When Carson plays Cam next year, Mistic is going to be in a pickle.
Root for his favorite team with a QB he hates, or for some random team that he has a hard-on for the QB.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Aig
you’re being scattered. You’re not even stating which ones “you” think are Duds.
And remember, you think Fitzpatrick as a 7th rounder is a failure, so you don’t have much going for you.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Well, if he is a once in a lifetime QB, he needs to at least be playing for a playoff spot the end of next year.
If not, he is Randall Cunningham.
Once in a lifetime players, at just about any position, lead there time to playoff wins IMMEDIATELY.
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What a load of crap. This is how you intend to insulate yourself? Very funny stuff. Did Arron rodgers win a playoff game in his second nfl season? no he never got off the bench, and today he is one of the best in the game.
He only needs to play well, and when the team around him is good enough he will win plenty of playoff games.
You said he sucked and couldnt make it as a pro and he owns you
January 27th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
I won’t bother to waste the time to asscertain whether peoples/interpersonas are being ‘respectful’ here as per corky and becky’s admonission – I assume you are the same as always.
there is a new admiral in town, Reggie.
there is a new captain in town, Dennis.
they have no reason to tolerate the cesspool of crap that goes on in here.
do they have the right? perhaps no but they do have the pull to make corky and becky clean up this mess.
puke on your shorts all you wish children, privileges can be revoked at a whim (for the betterment of all).
January 27th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Wow, you called JC a loser on here. He is a perenial 8-8 at best per your comments. Yet, you call him successful?
Leftwich? He doesnt even have a team and was cut.
Young? he is a back up.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Mistic will hope Cam throws for 300, rushes for 100, performs some awesome Superman-esque feats, and the Raiders win 31-27.
Palmer will go 0-19
DMac will rush 20 times for 170 yards and 2 TDs
Taiwan will rush 15 times for 150 yards and 2 TDs
January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
he cant throw like Cam and he cant run like Cam.
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He IS faster than Cam. They had a race at this thing called the combine. Jake won. Also beat him in shuttle time.
And his accuracy is not the same as Cam, but his arm is just as strong. This guy was a top-flight CF prospect.
Jake could go make a million dollars playing another sport. Cam can’t.
Cam will be the better QB, I don’t doubt that. But if you want to find the best athlete (at any postion IMO) in the 2011 NFL draft, it is Jake Locker.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
When Carson plays Cam next year, Mistic is going to be in a pickle.
Root for his favorite team with a QB he hates, or for some random team that he has a hard-on for the QB.
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Wrong as usual. i am a raider fan, not a palmer fan. I am a newton fan not a panther fan. I will always root for my team to win.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Aig
Most would look at JC’s career as a bottom 1st rounder and agree that he did what he was expected to do, no?
Leftwhich took a Jaguars team to the playoffs, beat the Steelers, got hurt.
I think Jags were happy with that pick too, no?
January 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Meanwhile, the Emmitt Thomas for DC rumors seem to be heating up. Wouldn’t mind him in the slightest.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Did Arron rodgers win a playoff game in his second nfl season?
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He made the playoffs the second season he played.
I didn’t even say Cam had to win a playoff game next year. But he has to be in the mix, if he is a “once in a lifetime player” at the most important position in all of sports.
“Once in a lifetime” athletes, in any sport, don’t flounder around in last place very long.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
he cant throw like Cam and he cant run like Cam.
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He IS faster than Cam. They had a race at this thing called the combine. Jake won. Also beat him in shuttle time.
And his accuracy is not the same as Cam, but his arm is just as strong. This guy was a top-flight CF prospect.
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He cant run like cam, he doesnt have the wiggle or the power. he doent break tackles and elude tacklers or have the vision like cam, speed isnt the only consideration.
His arm may be “just as strong”, but it isnt in the same universe when it comes to accuracy.
I saw a lot of locker in wash pac 12 footbal is always on here, he sucked!! he is tuiassopo with a stronger arm and a little more straight line speed.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Didn’t the Panthers go 12-4 3 years ago??
This isn’t some team that has been in last place for 10 years he went to.
Time to go win.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Scattered???
1st round QBs who were cut or traded by their team.
Leftwich, Boller, Grossman, Losman, Campbell, Young, Leinart, Russell, Quinn,
1st round QBs who have not achieved anything and still with their teams – Sanchez, Bradford, Freeman,
IMHO, QBs that sucks still – Alex Smith and Tebow.
14 QBs out of 23. 72% success NOPE.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
607.RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Meanwhile, the Emmitt Thomas for DC rumors seem to be heating up. Wouldn’t mind him in the slightest.
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You have any info on his coaching career?
January 27th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Of course he sucks.
Gotcha.
The NFL disagrees, and I think the Atlanta defense would disagree.
Want to make a “friendly” wager who wins more games next year?
January 27th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Did Arron rodgers win a playoff game in his second nfl season?
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He made the playoffs the second season he played.
I didn’t even say Cam had to win a playoff game next year. But he has to be in the mix, if he is a “once in a lifetime player” at the most important position in all of sports.
“Once in a lifetime” athletes, in any sport, don’t flounder around in last place very long.
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dont change the criteria, next season is cams second year, rodgers didnt see the field in year two. stop it.
You can use this qualifier to make yourself feel better about your miserably off target assessment of cam coming out of college, but i will always remember the truth gradkowski lover!
We dont agree on the criteria or checklist that makes a “once in a lifetime player” as you call it
January 27th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
lol Aig
Brett Favre was traded.
P. Manning might get cut.
Eli was traded.
McNabb was traded.
Montana was let go.
Brees was let go.
Aikman was cut.
You aren’t doing well with this. Fitz a 7th round failure, lol.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Just bring me geno smith or ej manuel next year in the draft. i cant wait to find out what we do on offense next year.
Somewhere carson palmer is praying that saunders is retained
January 27th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Cutler was traded, ergo he’s a bust according to Aig.
Ditto with Palmer.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Brady’s second year, he won the Super Bowl.
Peyton made the playoffs, year two or 3.
Eli has made the playoffs like 5 of 7 years and two super bowl appearances.
Elway was in the Super Bowl year 3.
I am just asking Cam to be 8-6 down the stretch of next season. Nothing extreme.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Better chance Ej Manuel is parking cars at the Coliseum than taking snaps.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
607.RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Meanwhile, the Emmitt Thomas for DC rumors seem to be heating up. Wouldn’t mind him in the slightest.
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You have any info on his coaching career?
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Emmitt_Thomas
St. Louis Cardinals (1981-1985)
(Assistant coach)
Washington Redskins (1986-1994)
(WR and DB coach)
Philadelphia Eagles (1995-1998)
(Defensive coordinator)
Green Bay Packers (1999)
(Defensive coordinator)
Minnesota Vikings (2000-2001)
(Defensive coordinator)
Atlanta Falcons (2002-2009)
(Assistant Head Coach and DB Coach)
Atlanta Falcons (2007)
(Interim Head Coach)
Kansas City Chiefs (2010-present)
(Defensive Backs coach)
January 27th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Debate: If Eli wins next Sunday…who’s better? him or Peyton?
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Peyton, hands down. No contest.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Dang,
Emmitt’s KC dbs he coached were ridiculously solid last year. Made life hard on Rodgers and the Raiders when I saw them.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Wow, he didn’t take much time off after his playing years. He is getting up there in years but that could be good with are young HC.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
616,Palmer may be praying for His Family,this Great country,but nah,Hes not worried about any rook,unproven at that.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
JB Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Debate: If Eli wins next Sunday…who’s better? him or Peyton?
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Peyton, hands down. No contest.
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Absolutely. Not even close. Media contrived angle.
Eli has been very good this season and was very good down the stretch when they won it all last time, but this is not remotely close and illustrates the power of recency bias.
Peyton has been one of the 2 best quarterbacks in the NFL for more than a decade, every single year. He has, what, 4 NFL MVPs on his resume? Ridiculous. Nothing against Eli, I like the kid and he can definitely play, but he hasn’t really been close to 1 MVP. When the NFL Network did that top 100 players in the NFL special last off-season Peyton was No. 2 while Eli was a notable snub of not making the list.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Chris! Recency bias! Nicely done!
January 27th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I need to find a shorter name for:
“my team drafted him therefore he’s going to be awesome” bias.
and
“if he isn’t a pro-bowler I want him cut from my team!” bias.
and
“he’s one of our best players so let’s trade him!” bias.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Damn Alex, still arguing?
January 27th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
no, applauding Chris. And grading papers.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Jack is a Bronco
January 27th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Del Rio
January 27th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Alex, nice try….
Cutler wasnt on my bust list was he? Nope.
I’ll be nice. I’ll take leftwich off even though his team just drafted a QB to cut him. Let’s try and not twist my words alright.
10/23 = 43% success. 72%? Heck no.
According to your formula and the article you quoted, 26-27-60 was supposed to mean that Fitzpatrick will be successful. So far he has not been. I never mentioned his 7th round status did I? You lost that argument and now trying to weasel it into something else.
Thanks for playing.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
625. Chris it all depends what NFL teams are in it for the long haul, to win Super Bowls or have their QB be a perennial MVP.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
How is Fitzpatrick not successful?
He’s a starting quarterback, and the best one the Bills have had since Jim Kelly.
Your logic is absurd.
The Bills SHOULD HAVE drafted him, and they did.
January 27th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
so what that Leftwhich got hurt and has now been replaced?
The heck does that have to do with whether they should have drafted him or not? lol, Leftwhich a bust.
Winning seasons, playoff win….BUST!
You’re a bust
January 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Dang Broncos.
Upgraded their DC.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
634. Yeah but Alex the QBs the bills had between jim kelly and him were absolutely awful. Even you with your geeky QB stats and knowledge would have been an upgrade on some of their QBs.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Has Tommy Kelly, Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, Michael Huff been added to the free agent list yet?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Dang Broncos.
Upgraded their DC.
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Solid replacement. Doesn’t matter much, we got the inside track on them by hiring Allen. He should know how to shut down their offense.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Welp cross Del Rio off the list. We can still beat the donks no biggy
January 27th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Nw8r
how do you determine if a DC should be able to shut down his old team’s O,
or if an OC should be able to score on his team’s former DC?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Fitzpatrick is a BUST. Buffalo is regretting giving him that contract. If you follow the NFL, you’d already know that. Their fans have already written him off. You obviously didnt realize they lost 7 consecutive games after that big contract right? 6-10?
Oh and remember Alex Smith is considered successful by you? He has exactly 1 300 yds game in his entire career. I thought you said passing was important in your T. Pryor trashing.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
once again
Alex = vomito ergo sum.
pathos/pathetic
septic volunteerism
impressive not
January 27th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Take a break and poor yourself a cool refreshing glass of Sierra Mist.
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
My bad…I mistook Leftwich for Garrard. Leftwich is A BUST. Spent on ly 3 yrs with his team and got cut. Havent found a starting gig since. How successful is this first rounder again? Sorry you’re back to 9/23 = 39%. Still not 72%. Help me get to 72% pls.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Whenever I get tired during the workday, I head for the fridge and pop open a can of Sierra Mist. So refreshing.
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Interesting point got this from a poster on PFT about the possibility on Denver getting Del Rio
I’m sorry, I don’t subscribe to the idea JDR was a good coordinator.
He was LB’s coach in B-more with a Prime Ray Lewis.
He was D-Coord in Carolina one year with a Prime Julius Peppers
His best defenses in Jax were drafted by Tom Coughlin and later run by Mike Smith and went in decline when he left.
Even Greg Williams split after one year and went on to turn around the Saints
January 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Feel like you need a refresher from blogging all day. Perk up with some Sierra Mist. It goes down smooth as silk.
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
642.aig-raiders Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
Fitzpatrick is a BUST. Buffalo is regretting giving him that contract. If you follow the NFL, you’d already know that. Their fans have already written him off. You obviously didnt realize they lost 7 consecutive games after that big contract right? 6-10?
Oh and remember Alex Smith is considered successful by you? He has exactly 1 300 yds game in his entire career. I thought you said passing was important in your T. Pryor trashing.
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What’s funny is they probably based alot of Fitzpatricks “worth” on that game against the Raiders.
Not realizing he did it against one the most legendary bad defenses in modern history.
Not since the 1952 Texans has a defense this bad.
And to think that they are one of the highest paid in the league. Nauseating.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Alex7 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Nw8r
how do you determine if a DC should be able to shut down his old team’s O,
or if an OC should be able to score on his team’s former DC?
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Wishful thinking. And the fact Denver’s defense was better than their offense.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
648.Jon Becker Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Feel like you need a refresher from blogging all day. Perk up with some Sierra Mist. It goes down smooth as silk.
http://www.sierramist.com/
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Is Sierra Mist really that good? I’ll have to try some.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Hey Blog Nerds
Happy Friday, I’m sure I’m partying much harder than you. You see, I just got a call from a Portia Di Rossi-stripper-look-a-like who’s coming over with a 4 pack of Bartles & James and 12 piece box of KFC.
I’ve got the weed, double stuffed bean bags and fanny pack full of Magnums.
We’re talking Double Trouble. Times 16.
Anyway, love to hear any of you goobers try to top that lineup. Go ahead, my and my new girlfriend are very interested in watching you fail
January 27th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
M Lonetree Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
once again
Alex = vomito ergo sum.
pathos/pathetic
septic volunteerism
impressive not
———————–
Thought I just read a post by you that stated to one and all those that spew negative comments would be shown the door, accounts closed?
In other words, you’re full of crap?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
Cory Webster of the Giants is a top corner?
Look at the RB’s in the SB: Green- Ellis and Bradshaw.
My logic is since this is a passing league, we need corners OR a super pash rusher.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Master Beeecham, you may want to pick up some Sierra Mist for your social gathering.
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Del Rio gone. There went my choice for DC. We should go after Bowles for DC.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
652.Master Beeecham Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Hey Blog Nerds
Happy Friday, I’m sure I’m partying much harder than you. You see, I just got a call from a Portia Di Rossi-stripper-look-a-like who’s coming over with a 4 pack of Bartles & James and 12 piece box of KFC.
I’ve got the weed, double stuffed bean bags and fanny pack full of Magnums.
We’re talking Double Trouble. Times 16.
Anyway, love to hear any of you goobers try to top that lineup. Go ahead, my and my new girlfriend are very interested in watching you fail
—
Can u save the fat chicks for me?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Get your rocks off with Sierra Mist!
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I agree with Bowles as DC. And finnagen in FA to start along side Routt
January 27th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
devilr8er Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Del Rio gone. There went my choice for DC. We should go after Bowles for DC.
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Either Bowles, Emmitt Thomas or Bill Johnson would be OK. We’re not going to get a super big name for DC simply because Allen’s going to run the defense anyway.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
devilr8er Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Del Rio gone. There went my choice for DC. We should go after Bowles for DC.
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Either Bowles, Emmitt Thomas or Bill Johnson would be OK. We’re not going to get a super big name for DC simply because Allen’s going to run the defense anyway.
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Thomas would be good because of his experience. The younger guys would probably want to call their own game
January 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Only zeros party with Sierra Missed.
Get it, like you “missed” scoring with the babe.
Anyway I haven’t heard any blog nerd Friday night party stories yet, so I assume you’re all striking out.
C’mon, one of your nerdos must be at least be swigging a Mike’s Lemonade in the shower while you pleasure yourself.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I pleasure myself every night with Sierra Mist.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
who is the raider player that tweeted from a party before the big game?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
That was Ford
January 27th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Has everyone been Sierra Misted out of here?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Tonight’s posts brought to you by Sierra Mist.
http://www.sierramist.com/
January 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
What of the rumor that Allen won’t even have a DC?
Any truth to that?
Raiders are being tight lipped about everything they’re doing so I don’t expect anybody really knows.
Thought I’d throw it out there anyway.
January 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Del Rio being groomed for Denver HC. Thats bad
January 27th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
664. And Stan Routt was up late night b4 the Chargers close out
January 27th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Really wonder who we draft if Mac trades DMC for an early 20 in the 1st rnd?
January 27th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Any minute now, Krappy should be showing up for his regular Friday night beat down.
For some reason the old goat loves a good blog slapping before he takes KrappyWife and her Bowl Cut out on the town for another night of letdowns, disappointment and regret.
Anyway, when the old dog shows up act like you’re all happy to see him.
This will make him feel more wanted, which will make him feel like being more vulnerable, which will allow us all to slap him around even sillier.
Trust me on this one, geeks
January 27th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
662.Master Beeecham Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Only zeros party with Sierra Missed.
Get it, like you “missed” scoring with the babe.
Anyway I haven’t heard any blog nerd Friday night party stories yet, so I assume you’re all striking out.
C’mon, one of your nerdos must be at least be swigging a Mike’s Lemonade in the shower while you pleasure yourself.
—
I think I can top your evening.
Me and some Jehovah Witness friends are gonna go to one of the Elders’ houses and play cards. But…that’s not until after we study our Watchtower magazine article for the week.
Afterwords we’ll have some chocolate chip cookies. MMMMMMM.
No alcohol will be served in accordance with Watchtower Society rules.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Donks just signed Del Rio.
Who cares, he was a retread.
Give me Bowles all day over Del Rio…
January 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Del Rio being groomed for Denver HC. Thats bad
January 27th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
# devilr8er Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Del Rio gone. There went my choice for DC. We should go after Bowles for DC.
^^^^^^^
Del Rio to Ponies huh? Oooff!
I hope Allen hires Bowles or Donatello as his DC.
Thomas is 3rd on my list after those guys.
I hope Thomas is not Allens top choice as his DC. Thomas isn’t bad and he sure as heck aint no Chuck B, but I think Bowles and Donatello would be bettern fits here.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
try not to laugh or roll your eyes but…here’s my draft, free agency and coaching staff
1(26th overall) Vontez Burfect, ILB, Arizona St. – (acquired for Rolando McClain, the 2013, 3rd round pick – we acquire the 26th pick overall and a 121st pick from Houston)
3(80th acquired via trade with Chicago for Kevin Boss) – Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
4 (97th compensatory for Aso) – Derek Wolfe, DE, Cincinnati
4 (104th from Miami trade for Michael Mitchell) – Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
5 (121st from Houston) – Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
5 (140th) – Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH)
5 (147th from Tennessee trade for Louis Murphy) – Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, NT, Baylor
5 (159th compensatory for Robert Gallery) – Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina Univ (Canada)
6 (178) – Asa Jackson, CB, Cal-Poly
free agency
Antonio Garay, NT
Jarret Johnson, OLB
Adam Snyder, G/RT
Legedu Naanee, WR,
Jarret Johnson, LB
Haruki Nakamura, S
Gary Guyton, ILB
Dennis Allen staff
Emmitt Thomas, secondary/assist head coach
Al Saunders, OC
Bob Wylie, Oline
Steve Wisniewski Oline assist
Earnest Byner, Running backs
Robert Prince, receivers
Aaron Kromer, tight ends
Ed Donatell, defensive coordinator
Bill Johnson, defensive line coach
Dat Nguyen, linebackers
Marcel Yates, def. secondary assist
John Fassell, special teams
John Dunn, strength and conditioning
Willie Brown, squad development
January 27th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Djohnnyg
That’s funny!
January 27th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Really wonder who we draft if Mac trades DMC for an early 20 in the 1st rnd?
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is there any doubt? Vontez Burfect or Donta Hightower. Nick Perry is another “instant impact defender that a fast, Dennis Allen run defense needs.
the guy who wouldve been there would be Monte Ball, but he was stupid to go back with half his gigantic o-line leaving for the NFL
January 27th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Del Rio being groomed for Denver HC. Thats bad
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I got a feeling Fox is going to bail quick if Tebow doesn’t repeat his performance, that way Del Rio can move right up – or Elway creates some GM position for Fox and sends Xander packin…
January 27th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
i dont want dmac traded just to want him man up….
January 27th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
WILL NEVER GET A 1ST ROUNDER 4 DMAC IMHO.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
# RaiderSam Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
try not to laugh or roll your eyes but…here’s my draft, free agency and coaching staff
1(26th overall) Vontez Burfect, ILB, Arizona St. – (acquired for Rolando McClain, the 2013, 3rd round pick – we acquire the 26th pick overall and a 121st pick from Houston)
3(80th acquired via trade with Chicago for Kevin Boss) – Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
4 (97th compensatory for Aso) – Derek Wolfe, DE, Cincinnati
4 (104th from Miami trade for Michael Mitchell) – Shea McClellin, OLB, Boise State
5 (121st from Houston) – Jeff Allen, OT, Illinois
5 (140th) – Brandon Brooks, OG, Miami (OH)
5 (147th from Tennessee trade for Louis Murphy) – Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, NT, Baylor
5 (159th compensatory for Robert Gallery) – Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina Univ (Canada)
6 (178) – Asa Jackson, CB, Cal-Poly
free agency
Antonio Garay, NT
Jarret Johnson, OLB
Adam Snyder, G/RT
Legedu Naanee, WR,
Jarret Johnson, LB
Haruki Nakamura, S
Gary Guyton, ILB
Dennis Allen staff
Emmitt Thomas, secondary/assist head coach
Al Saunders, OC
Bob Wylie, Oline
Steve Wisniewski Oline assist
Earnest Byner, Running backs
Robert Prince, receivers
Aaron Kromer, tight ends
Ed Donatell, defensive coordinator
Bill Johnson, defensive line coach
Dat Nguyen, linebackers
Marcel Yates, def. secondary assist
John Fassell, special teams
John Dunn, strength and conditioning
Willie Brown, squad development
________________________________
Way to do your homework, love the trade for Burfict, the guy is the next Ray Lewis.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
hoping to see us really bolster our offensive line from the center thru right tackle.
guess we should find out if bruce campbell could play or not.
in the pre-season watching him he is stong as a bull. never seen him get pushed backwards. seem like his football i.q is a question mark. it’s time to see him take the right-guard spot.
barnes needs to show more consistency,and not commit the penalties.
satele is good for a back up role if we keep him. keep wiz at guard. we need a dominant center.
rich gannon would have all day to throw.brady has all day to throw. rodgers has all day to throw.if we can get that kind of protection for palmer… look-out.
late in the season our line kinda regressed. the run blocking slowed down. and the pass protection disappeared. i know the focus is going to be onthe defense (lord knows), but we need a few more physical o-linemen. espeacially at center.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Just like that … @alexmarvez: KC Chiefs/OAK breaking news: DBs coach Emmitt Thomas is OUT of mix to join #Raiders staff.
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January 27th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Jon Becker Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Just like that … @alexmarvez: KC Chiefs/OAK breaking news: DBs coach Emmitt Thomas is OUT of mix to join #Raiders staff.
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Sounds good!
Here is hoping Allen hires Bowles or Donatello as the DC and I hope we don’t wind up with Ponies LB’s coach Richard Smith as our DC….Ugh!
January 27th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Devilr8er Says:
Way to do your homework, love the trade for Burfict, the guy is the next Ray Lewis.
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The next Ray Lewis…..these are the type of HYPE beasts I’m talkin about.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Bring on Bowles for DC since Emmit is out of the mix and keep saunders
January 27th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Guess what, goobers – just got that stripper from behind (doggy-style position) and it was a huge letdown.
Her body was perfect and all, but I was so high on killer skunk weed I kept spacing out and losing my chub.
I tried to pound a Lean Cuisine to get my mojo back, but the feeling was gone. So I kicked her to the curb and now am getting my blog on in the hot tub.
I’m sure you’re all doing something similar. Like watching Steel Magnolias on the couch with your mom.
At least admit you watch Steel Magnolias once a week.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
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January 27th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
gotta keep boss. hue’s offense neglected the te. position. boss is a player know he got hurt, but the man can play. even though for a second round pick hmmm? let’s not forget we get a compensatory pick for zach miller.
January 27th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
Master Beeecham, drink some Sierra Mist. It will make you hard as a rock.
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January 27th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
f**k bresnahan,will be fired tuesday !
January 27th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
Raiders signed RB Rashawn Jackson a couple weeks ago. Anyone know anything about him?
January 27th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Sierra Mist is for short dudes with low self esteem.
I’m a (soon to be) extremely successful recording artist in the rap community, just keeping it real
Which reminds me – Yo yo yo, throw your hands in the air for my upcoming solo release Wrecks N Effect.
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January 27th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
VittorioTafur Vittorio Tafur
Just like that … @alexmarvez: KC Chiefs/OAK breaking news: DBs coach Emmitt Thomas is OUT of mix to join #Raiders staff.
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Sounds good….for now. I wasn’t a big fan of Allen bringing in Thomas.
Here is hoping Allen hires Bowles or Donatello as the DC and I hope we don’t wind up with Ponies LB’s coach Richard Smith as our DC….Ugh!
January 27th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Raiders make Allen’s hire official
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Friday, January 27th, 2012 at 10:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
Common knowledge became official Friday when Dennis Allen was named head coach of the Raiders.
The Raiders issued a press release announcing a press conference to introduce Allen on Monday at noon at the club facility in Alameda.
Allen, 39, replaces Hue Jackson, fired by general manager Reggie McKenzie after an 8-8 season, with McKenzie saying he wanted to hire his “own guy.’’
No contract terms were revealed, although Comcast SportsNet Bay Area reported it as a four-year deal.
Allen has essentially been in place as the head coach since Tuesday night, when he and McKenzie reached a handshake agreement.
The Denver Broncos had already acknowledged Allen’s departure, with coach John Fox telling the Denver Post Wednesday it was a “great opportunity’’ for a defensive coordinator hired only a year ago.
The first coach with a defensive background hired by the Raiders since Al Davis hired John Madden in 1969, McKenzie will look to Allen to bring stability to an organization which will have its 10th different head coach since returning to Oakland in 1995 and the seventh over the past 10 seasons.
McKenzie said at the press conference announcing his hiring as general manager that the structure will be similar to what he experienced for 17 seasons working for the Green Bay Packers.
Allen will have complete control of the on-field operations such as practice schedules, choosing starting lineups and playing time and systems of offensive and defensive football.
He will have the freedom to choose his own coaching staff, which may or may not include some members of Jackson’s staff. Two coaches _ defensive line coach Mike Waufle and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal _ have moved on to the Rams and Jets.
When owner Al Davis was operating as GM, he had final say on assistant coaches and hired some himself, determined active and inactive players each week on game day and had ideas he wanted implemented, especially on the defensive side of the ball.
Fox issued the following in a press release:
“I couldn’t be happier for Dennis with his new opportunity to become head coach of the Raiders,” Fox said. “He did a terrific job as our defensive coordinator, and I am not surprised that people around the NFL took notice of the role he played in our success.
“He’s a sharp guy who knows football, has a way of relating to his players and carries himself very well. Dennis is a strong motivator and teacher with an aggressive style of coaching. He will approach the job with tremendous energy and passion to get the most out of his team. His thorough understanding of defense, from the back to the front, and his ability to teach fundamentally and assignment-wise really helped us get better. He’s been around a lot of good people during his NFL career and has a very bright future ahead of him.
“I am thrilled for Dennis, his wife Alisson, and the entire Allen family, and I wish them all the best in Oakland.”
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/01/27/raiders-make-allens-hire-official/
January 27th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
BTW, Cork’s answering questions left and right on Twitter right now.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
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GGGGGGEEEEEEEEEEEEETTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT
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RAIDERS GOIN TO THE SUPER BOWL>
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Just Win Baby!
January 27th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
BTW, Cork’s answering questions left and right on Twitter right now.
That BTW should have read FYI FWIW, BFD. SMH, BFD. SMD for all I care. NS WGAFRAW, BTAOTH and SOMPADDML! Period
January 27th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Beecham, when is that album coming out? Have one of your studio cronies leaked it on the internet since the music is in such demand? I mean, with an album titled Wreckx-n-Effect, I’m sure you have guest appearances by super stars like Teddy Riley! I can’t wait till your album drops and I’ve been crossing out the days on my calendar.
Let us know Beeeeeeechnizzle!
January 27th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
“Take It Back”
Open season on the open seas and
Captain says no prisoners please
Skull and crossbones on a background of black
We ain’t stealin’ we’re just takin’ back
We ain’t stealin’ we’re just takin’ back
Very simple plan of attack
It’s our job and a labor of love
Take it home to the up above
We ain’t stealin’ we’re just takin’ back
Very simple statement of fact
Call it pillage or call it plunder
We’re takin’ it back from them boys down under
Hit us hard, took our treasure
That was the worst thing they could do
It will be our great pleasure
To take it back from that captain kangaroo
Yo ho ho, and a bottle of suds
It’s a pirates fight we choose
No we don’t want a bucket of blood
Just a cup is all we could use
Just a cup
The sails are up and the bets are down
Let’s lighten up this harbor town
By hook or crook or new design
We’re streakin’ for that finish line
We ain’t stealin’ we’re just takin’ back
Very simple plan of attack
It’s our job and a labor of love
Take it home to the up above
We ain’t stealin’ we’re just takin’ back
Very simple statement of fact
Call it pillage or call it plunder
We’re takin’ it back from them boys down under
We ask ourselves when we get in a fix
What would popeye do in a tight spot like this
He’d race for his true love and easily win it
In an old spinach can with a mast stuck in it
Lift us up, take us high
Time to let our spirits fly
Lift us up, take us high
Let us sail until we die
Lift us up, take us high
Let us float above the foam
Let our sails fill the sky
We are takin’ our sweet treasure home
Take it back
We’re takin’ it back
Take it back!
JIMMY BUFFETT Lyrics
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Jimmy Buffet rocks, and will eat wrecked-n-infect as a snack between drinks.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Yo yo yo, my breakout solo rap release Wrecks N Effect was still in the post post production phase as of my afternoon duece.
I’m doing overdubs (high on grass) and tweaking with modern effects such as echo and delay.
In other words, the record will be “Mo Freakin’ Every Night of the Weeken’” (patent pending on that hot phrase).
My manager has a few super secret VIP-only live appearance booked, where I’ll be getting straight wiggity with my mix master, DJ 10 Toes
Gotta keep it real, whut
January 27th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Green Eggs And Ham Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
BTW, Cork’s answering questions left and right on Twitter right now.
That BTW should have read FYI FWIW, BFD. SMH, BFD. SMD for all I care. NS WGAFRAW, BTAOTH and SOMPADDML! Period
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I sense some hostility. Relax and have a cheeseburger.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Forget the Martians. Are ther Jupitarians? What would they call you if you were from the planet Uranus?
January 27th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Iranian
January 27th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
MASTERBEECHAM,EVER HEARD OF PLAGIARISM ?
January 27th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Dude OU812 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:27 pm
Forget the Martians. Are ther Jupitarians? What would they call you if you were from the planet Uranus?
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Assinarians?
Bungolians?
Rumpsafarians?
Buttamuncharians?
January 27th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I wouldn’t mind Saints DL Coach Bill Johnson at all as Allens DC either.
I would much rather have him ahead of Richard Smith. I think getting Bowles to be the DC would be a coup, but Allen and Bowles do not have any familiarity or history working together. So that doesn’t help the cause unfortunately.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
The Oakland Tribune, fraud Raider fans blog, but sound like buffoons,
Doomed from the log in, sock puppets amongst themselves…arguin’
Yo, yo, yo, all lyrics are copywritten! Look out for my album,”Gut Feelin”, coming out soon, SON!
January 27th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
January 27th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Yo miami,best bet,stay the fu-k out of here,Thank You
January 27th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
Cork saying the Raiders plan to franchise tag Bush huh?
I don’t mind that move one bit. Bush is as good insurance policy as the Raiders can have behind DMC.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Hendu, why would you be offended by what I said? You are neither a buffoon or a fraudlent Raider fan. You have been on this blog longer than I have so you would probably know who I would be reffering to.
My pleasure.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Dirt Lot Douche Bag
I’d like you to try to sue me. I’ve got a team of attorneys that’ll make your momma look like Fab 5 Freddy.
I’ve been representin’ phat beats and def rhymes since I took a temporary leave of absence from my reggae band last summer.
My album Wrecks N Effect is going to go off and there’s nothing you can do about it but cry into your Cup O Noodles.
Sorry for the harsh diss, but I gots to keep it real
January 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
BTW, Cork’s answering questions left and right on Twitter right now.
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Cork loves twitter, hates this blog.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:56 pm
Albert Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:52 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
BTW, Cork’s answering questions left and right on Twitter right now.
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Cork loves twitter, hates this blog.
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Twitter has this neat “Block” function, you see…
January 27th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
Yo Beeech, can’t wait to pick up one of your homemade CDs for $5. I bet you used some awesome Photoshop filters to make your cover.
January 27th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
MiamiRaider78,Whats youre point,Im gettin older,slower.What the frig are you talkin about?
January 27th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Hendu! lol I apologize my friend but I meant no harm to you. I enjoy reading your posts and football logic.
January 27th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
LA RAIDER FANS STAND UP N REPRESENT
Yo yo yo, I’ve been straight rappin’ some fresh lyrics I just wrote while taking a dump when I got a call from my manager.
Looks like they’ve expanded the luxury box menu at Farmer’s Field – the soon to be home of the Raiders – to include shrimp OR chicken pot stickers.
So I’m going to smoke this doobie, pounds a Kearns Nectar and make possibly the most important decision of my life.
TWIZZLE
January 27th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Mr Beeecham,question is,can you get the job DONE,or just tossed aside,zizzle?Get youre arse back into the studio,stay and work,haha SCREW LA,its the OAKLAND RAIDERS
January 27th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
QUIT SPAMMING THE SIERRA MIST
NOBODY”S INTERESTED!
January 27th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Yo brahs I just took another huge dump and wrote some mo fresh lyrics about the Raiders returning home to LA!
My manager read them and he ran to the bathroom also, so obviously they must be fly
Check out this small sampling while I crack open a few bottle of Moet Chandon to celebrate -
Getting miggity mack at Farmer’s Field
Got phat honies in the box, keepin’ it real
Yo the Raiders be home, that ain’t no lie
How bout some MGD and some chili cheese fries?
STRAIGHT UP SILLY FRESH
January 27th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
YUP,straight up sh-t lyrics,silly one,haha
January 27th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
lmao@ Beech!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Twitter is garbage overall. Lame.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
Twitter is garbage overall. Lame.
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You got that right. Twitter is the cats excrement. Word.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
you’s all gettin jiggity wit da fizzle in yo mizzle, got ta crack it at the smack it but we riggity wit da higgity anda puff-puff yo magic dragon ya’ll. Rex an FX in da house.
January 27th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
an I wanna shout out a big WHUT WHUT to big G. WHUT WHUT
January 27th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Go Raiders!
January 27th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
what happenin my raidah bretheren? you’s feelin it baby? raidahs gonna kick some balls baby!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
del rio is out; so therefore it’s breshnahan by default
January 27th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
there is one simple reason the Raiders are moving to Los Angeles= $$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
January 27th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
acquired for Rolando McClain, the 2013, 3rd round pick – we acquire the 26th pick overall and a 121st pick from Houston)
++++++++++
Houston has one of the best LB cores in the NFL. Why in the hell would they want MCcLain?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
del rio is out; so therefore it’s breshnahan by default
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DON’T EVEN JOKE ABOUT THAT!
TAINT FUNNY!
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
I would rather the defensive coordinator from Whitworth University [division 3] be the Raiders’ defensive coordinator.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
I suspect McWhiffer, Curry & Wimbley will either be totally different players this upcoming year or they will be gone. All three need to have their contracts renegotiated with a pay cut based on last years non-performance. Lower the base significantly but make it incentive rich. If they perform and exceed set standards then they get a bigger payday. If not, well you get the idea.
January 27th, 2012 at 11:38 pm
The whole D needs to get run…
January 27th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
FYI, if Bowles interviewed for the Raiders HC postion, why would Allen hire him as DCO…
You can logically scratch that idea…
January 27th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
So did anyone else get kicked off the blog, besides me ?
January 27th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
On the other side of the ball, 2011 offensive coordinator Al Saunders is the only Raiders assistant coach still under contract. He was at the Senior Bowl practices this week representing the Raiders.
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This is some good news…
January 28th, 2012 at 12:35 am
741
Who were you?
January 28th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Good mornin’n JB;
Miami just hired Kevin Coyle as their new DC; that makes T. Bowles available.
I hope Allen considers him; and Bowles can accept that he didn’t get hired for the top job.
That would be a great combination for the Raiders’ defense [not as good as haynes & Hayes]; but still a good one.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:05 am
Master Beeecham Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
Only zeros party with Sierra Missed.
Get it, like you “missed” scoring with the babe.
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Your metaphors rival Keats and Shelley. Well, actually they don’t. They suck. As do your posts. I am trying to find some way to gloss you but just can’t.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:34 am
740.Thec Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:40 pm
FYI, if Bowles interviewed for the Raiders HC postion, why would Allen hire him as DCO…
You can logically scratch that idea…
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Not really. Bowles is a good coach, and he’s unemployed.
Allen woould do well to consider him.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:28 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
del rio is out; so therefore it’s breshnahan by default
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No no no. We’re probably looking at Bowles, Richard Smith or Bill Johnson. I’d prefer Bowles, but any of the three would be fine.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:52 am
I dont trust foxy words everyone see how much joy he get from beating us, something too foxy about foxy words
January 28th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Del Rio heads to Denver
Posted by Mike Florio on January 27, 2012, 9:20 PM EST
Getty Images
Former Jaguars coach Jack Del Rio could have taken a year off and collected his full salary for 2012, the final year of his contract. Instead, he’ll go back to work, for no extra money.
Adam Schefter of ESPN reports that Del Rio has been hired to serve as the Broncos’ defensive coordinator.
The move reunites Del Rio with coach John Fox. They worked together in Carolina a decade ago, in Fox’s first year as coach of the Panthers. Del Rio served as defensive coordinator until becoming the Jaguars’ head coach in 2003.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Vontaze Burfict IS NOT the next Ray Lewis. He is the Kimbo Slice of college LB’s. All youtube clips.
Anybody who ACTUALLY watched any ASU games this year, would realize that he was the 2nd or 3rd best LB ON HIS OWN TEAM, and he hurt his draft stock tremendously this year, by basically playing like crap for most of the year and showing up massively overweight.
You also got the maturity issues, fighting with his coaches and teammates, the stupid penalties and his collegiate eligibility issues now that are surfacing. This is a guy who brought his posse on the sideline and whopped it up for the ESPN cameras, while losing by 30 points on national TV!!!!
He will be a major flop, and I don’t think he will be one of the first 5 LB’s taken in the draft (McShay has him as the #4 ILB).
January 28th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Franchise bush? Lmao pure speculation. Reggie mckenzie is smarter than that.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:40 am
Does this sound like Ray Lewis? From ESPN
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The Pac-12 blog suspects Burfict’s play as well as off-field concerns might drop him from the first round entirely.
Burfict has a big problem: He played for a coaching staff that just got fired. Many members of that staff are not fans of his. And because those coaches don’t have to be accountable to Burfict, his teammates or the program going forward, they will provide unvarnished takes on Burfict to NFL personnel men. Some won’t say nice things.
Put this way: Burfict was benched in what is likely his last game as a Sun Devil. When his coaches asked him to return to the game, he reportedly refused, according to the Arizona Republic.
That is not in the “How to Win Friends and Influence GMs” guide to the NFL draft.
Then there’s this from former Arizona State QB Danny White when he appeared on Brad Cesmat’s radio show on XTRA Sports 910 AM in Phoenix on Nov. 29. Cesmat, according to the Arizona Republic, “mentioned that he thought ASU junior linebacker Vontaze Burfict was a microcosm of the [Dennis] Erickson era.”
Replied White:
“I agree 100 percent,” White said. “He was also the reason Dennis Erickson got fired. When your best football player is a guy like that, he’s what I call a coach killer. He’s such a great athlete, you have to have him on the field. But by the same token, the negatives outweigh the positives with him. As great a player as he is, you can’ t have that. And then what happens, when if you don’t take extreme measures with it, then it becomes a cancer on the team. And I started seeing other guys on the defense starting to act like that and I think it became infectious. No matter how good a player is, when he’s got that kind of attitude on the field, when he hurts you like Vontaze hurt the team, you got to get rid of him. As hard as that is, and it’s a hard thing to do, especially when he’s your best player, you just can’t have it or it does become a cancer, and I think he did.”
Burfict probably could benefit from another year in college. For one, he didn’t play well this year, so he could return to the form that made him a consensus preseason All-American. And he desperately needs to grow up, something that won’t happen with folks around him coddling him and telling him the way he behaves is OK.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Vontaze Burfict might be the only MLB in the world less mature than Rolando McClain.
From the Arizona Republic:
In the final regular season game versus Cal, Burfict was flagged for a personal foul penalty following a Golden Bears touchdown that put them up 34-31 late in the 3rd quarter. Burfict was reportedly told he would sit out on Cal’s next offensive possession. Instead, he took off his helmet and sat on the bench with a towel over his head. He never returned to the game, and refused when the coaches told him to.
In the Maaco Bowl Las Vegas, Burfict didn’t start, played sparingly, drew another unsportsmanlike conduct penalty, and didn’t play another snap on defense following the flag, again refusing to re-enter the game when the coaching staff asked him to.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:51 am
3rd round sounds like a good place to take a chance on a troubled lber.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:54 am
I heard some of that, but didn’t know is was nearly that bad. Stay away!!!!!
January 28th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Why Del Rio?! Why Denver?!
January 28th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Burfict is not very good. Very questionable instincts. The only difference between him and McClain is that McClain had a good college career.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Heard there are rumors of Keith Butler being a candidate, but not sure there’s any truth to that. Seems like the kind of rumors that stem from wishful thinking.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:18 am
4 people I really like, and the Raiders were observing at the Senior Bowl are:
1- RB Terrance Ganaway
2- DE Jake Bequette
3- DE Jack Crawford
4- DE Vinny Curry
Make it happen McKenzie!
I really like the players we are observing at the Senior bowl, and I think R McKenzie is doing a GREAT job so far!
January 28th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Al probably would have traded up for Burfict, lol.
I don’t think McKenzie wants his FIRST draft to have anything but high character, low-risk guys.
After he gets settled, than he may take some flyers on guys like Burfict.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:23 am
I also like LB Bobby Wagner. He will play WLB in the NFL IMO.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:25 am
We only have 2 draft picks as of now, correct? 5th & 6th.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
762.Raider O Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:25 am
We only have 2 draft picks as of now, correct? 5th & 6th.
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That is my understanding, but we have at least “compensatory” picks for Nnamdi and Miller that have yet to be determined where they will be.
In the league tradition of screwing us, i’m sure it will be in the very late rounds.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Ganaway and Bequette were two of the targets I mentioned for the Raiders early on. Perfect fits here.
Bobby Wagner would be an incredible fit. Probably better suited to play WLB in the NFL, but apparently showed some skills at MLB too. Would take a trade up to acquire, but I’m sure McKenzie and Allen aren’t content to wait around until the end of the 3rd round.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I know we will get 1 for Nnamdi, but I don’t think we will get one for Miller.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Hypothetically speaking, IF the league wanted the Raiders in LA (or at least out of Oakland), does it benefit them to help to make us worse or better?
If we are better, then the appeal to that other location would increase…everybody loves a winner right?
On the flip side, if we tank and become one of the leagues bottom dwellars than we’re looking at 30,000 at the Coliseum again increasing the “urgency” to get out of dodge for greener pastures.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Ganaway, Bequette, and Wagner would be a perfect draft.
Last year I wanted Chekwa & Wiz, we got them.
The year before that, I wanted McClain, Houston, and Ford.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:37 am
We ABSOLUTELY will get the very first compensatory pick, pick #97.
They base it off of salary, and nobody that left any teams last year made more than Nnamdi
And since it is based off Salary, Bruce Gradkowski is going to get us a higher compensatory pick than Zack Miller, lol.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:42 am
It used to be fairly easy to try to prognosticate our draft with Al.
For instance with Gannaway, you used to be able to check him right off the list, due to him not having “Raider speed”.
Now, who knows.
I don’t think he will last into the 3rd round though.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I don’t know why Bequette is rated so low.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Other than the Dennis Allen intro, do you expect anything else to be announced at the Monday presser?
January 28th, 2012 at 8:47 am
Ganaway had great production, but his 40 time will hurt him.
3rd /4th RD pick IMO.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I’m still mad about Del Rio going to Denver.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
HC: Allen
OC: Saunders
DC: ??
Damn you Del Rio!
January 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Hopefully they announce that they feel we have alot of talnented players on the team and they see no need to “blow it all up” and go into a full rebuilding mode this year”, but they will definitely be looking to upgrade at many position as they feel they were one defensive stop away from hosting a beat up Pittsburgh team in the playoffs and very likely advancing to a showdown matchup in NE.
Note: I’m all for rebuilding if we need to but it’d be a shame to not see how this team can do with a few important changes at some key positions before throwing out the baby with the bathwater.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
FreddieB Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Other than the Dennis Allen intro, do you expect anything else to be announced at the Monday presser?
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The coaching staff, I’d expect.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Raider O Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
HC: Allen
OC: Saunders
DC: ??
Damn you Del Rio!
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DC: Bill Johnson, Richard Smith or Todd Bowles
January 28th, 2012 at 8:56 am
773.Raider O Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I’m still mad about Del Rio going to Denver.
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We can’t blame him if we didn’t even go after him at all.
I wonder if Reggie did.
I heard nothing in that regard, so I don’t think Reggie even wanted him.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
We hired Allen before the other coaches this week..but we have yet to have a presser when all the other teams have moved forward signing their coordinators and we are still waiting..for what?…if we hire a dc from the packers…can we assume that reggie didnt leave the hiring to allen and that he has word on who comes in?…the more that things change, the more they stay the same…
January 28th, 2012 at 9:09 am
canadianraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Can we assume that Reggie didn’t leave the hiring to Allen and that he has word on who comes in?
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While I’m sure Reggie has some idea about who he’d like to see, he’s leaving the final decisions up to Allen. Relax. Assistants-wise, we’ll be fine.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:17 am
I thought it was up to the new HC to hire his own staff, but I get your point. Can’t blame him, if we didn’t offer him a position.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Our best players on Defense were Branch & Wimbley.
Seymour takes too many plays off, and So Nasty was injured.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Carson Palmer just turned 32 and i think he realizes that THIS IS THE TIME to do something or forever hold his peace.
Does he have the desire to make a mark on this league and leave a legacy? Or not?
I think he has it in him and we’re gonna see it this year.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:28 am
LDE: Matt S, Dez
DT: Seymour, Houston
DT: FA NT, TK
RDE: Rookie, Wimbley
SLB: Wimbley
MLB: McClain
WLB: Rookie/ Curry
CB: Routt, DVD
CB: FA, Chekwa
SS: resign Branch, MM
FS: Huff, rookie
January 28th, 2012 at 9:31 am
1- Fix the defense
2- Add a solid RB (DMC can’t stay healthy)
3- get a new RT!
January 28th, 2012 at 9:34 am
My FA wish list:
1- Mario Williams
2- C Nicks/ B Grubbs
3- T Porter
January 28th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Anyone watch the Senior Bowl practice? Those left tackles looked horrible, almost all of them got man handled on one one drills.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:38 am
canadianraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:05 am
Can we assume that Reggie didn’t leave the hiring to Allen and that he has word on who comes in?
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While I’m sure Reggie has some idea about who he’d like to see, he’s leaving the final decisions up to Allen. Relax. Assistants-wise, we’ll be fine.
im sure ur right duck…just questions going through our heads…only problem i have is how slow we are in cleaning house and bringing in the staff…its not like our organization is the cream of the crop right now…as fans we have waited long enough to change for the better..we deserve a sense of urgency from this organization to make things right!
January 28th, 2012 at 9:38 am
My wish list will cost us about 27-30 million in annual salary.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Vontaze Burfict IS NOT the next Ray Lewis. He is the Kimbo Slice of college LB’s. All youtube clips.
Anybody who ACTUALLY watched any ASU games this year, would realize that he was the 2nd or 3rd best LB ON HIS OWN TEAM, and he hurt his draft stock tremendously this year, by basically playing like crap for most of the year and showing up massively overweight.
You also got the maturity issues, fighting with his coaches and teammates, the stupid penalties and his collegiate eligibility issues now that are surfacing. This is a guy who brought his posse on the sideline and whopped it up for the ESPN cameras, while losing by 30 points on national TV!!!!
He will be a major flop, and I don’t think he will be one of the first 5 LB’s taken in the draft (McShay has him as the #4 ILB).
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I’ll take my chances.
He’s a goon, and his play exploded off the charts in comparison with McClains
Wes Bunting of National Football Post said he has the chance to be the best MLB in the draft. McShay doesnt know CRAP – he whiffed on both Jacoby Ford and Denarious Moore. But, i’ll say that Burfect is a risk…its mostly wishful thinking really
January 28th, 2012 at 9:44 am
A talent with natural pop on contact, can hold the point of attack and for his size exhibits “plus” range and fluidity. Isn’t a guy who I could trust as a starting 43 mike as he needs to stay in control of his emotions and make the defensive calls. Needs to be put in a good locker room with a vet next to him to help him learn to be a professional. If he can overcome his struggles on the field mentally, he’s got the talent to be a Pro Bowl caliber linebacker.
-Wes Bunting
there is a link with a debate on whether he is a topflight LB
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/The-Vontaze-Burfict-Debate-6182.html
January 28th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I’d take Burfict over McClain right now in a heart beat.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:07 am
No way!
January 28th, 2012 at 10:18 am
We do not need any more projects or questionable characters on our team. You are right he could pan out with a veteran mentor bot F*ck that we do not need him. On the other hand sure would have liked Delrio on our side now we just gotta kick his ass
January 28th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Djohnnyg Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Hypothetically speaking, IF the league wanted the Raiders in LA (or at least out of Oakland), does it benefit them to help to make us worse or better?
If we are better, then the appeal to that other location would increase…everybody loves a winner right?
On the flip side, if we tank and become one of the leagues bottom dwellars than we’re looking at 30,000 at the Coliseum again increasing the “urgency” to get out of dodge for greener pastures.
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For the millionth time. The Commissioner wants the 49ers and Raiders to share a venue, just as the Giants and Jets share a venue. When an NFC and AFC team share a state of the art venue, they split the profits with the visiting teams FROM BOTH DIVISIONS. Do you get that?
They are focused on keeping the existing teams there, and moving the closest team (San Diego) or a non-market team (Jacksonville or St Louis) – Vikings basically just need to agree on a vote, but St Louis is probably the odds on favorite.
One more time. The league operates better when existing teams KEEP their revenue streams in the same area, L.A. will get a team, just not the Raiders. The Commish even came to Oakland when they played the Patriots to pitch the idea of the shared stadium – then some politicos pretty much leaned on the city council to end the Battle of the Bay due to that dumb as 49er fan shooting Raider fan, so the interest in the rivalry would kill the chance of them sharing the stadium – but the Commissioner is extended into 2018, and he and the league have not forgotten how the Niners skirted the cap or how the Raiders beat them in their move.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Burfict is what you call a million dollar talent, and a ten cent head.
The reason we haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years is because we have these type of players littered all over our roster.
If the guy can’t dominate in college, which he didn’t and got progressively worse throughout his career, what makes us think he will be any good in the pro’s?
January 28th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Seems to lose interest at times when things aren’t going his way and it takes the edge off his game.
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The kid doesn’t have a passion for the game, IMO.
Yes he likes hitting people, but that makes up, what, 25% of defense?
Disinterested in staying disciplined, horrible in coverage, first one to quit, and twice had an opportunity to play on national TV, and he told his coach, “nah….I’ll pass”.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Rolando McClain body slammed a guy on the field, KO’d Darren Sproles, and is about the first one on our defense to start pushing and shoving after the whistle.
Just the same as Burfict, and I would say, Rolando is lacking passion for the game as well.
Just because a guy is dirty and physical, doesn’t mean he is eager to review film and learn how to drop into the right zone on 3rd down.
And that is 10 times more important than how eager you are to try to twist some guys neck off (like Burfict did to Luck).
January 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I will be looking at the RT’s in the Senior Bowl, and while I hate pigeon-holing a position for a specific round, we absolutely need a RT.
Not sure if Barksdale is the answer, and I know Bruce Campbell isn’t.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:36 am
I will be looking at the RT’s in the Senior Bowl, and while I hate pigeon-holing a position for a specific round, we absolutely need a RT.
Not sure if Barksdale is the answer, and I know Bruce Campbell isn’t.
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These upcoming OTAs and camps will be Campbell’s chance to show he’s a legitimate NFL lineman and not just a good athlete PRETENDING to be an NFL lineman.
Good luck to him, but we’ve had two complete OL staffs (Cable/Michalczik/Morgan and Wylie/Classic Wiz) give up so far. Not a good sign.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:47 am
And I never like the idea of the LT who gets moved to RT.
Yes it works sometimes, but it usually take awhile to get up to speed.
Just give me one of the best collegiate RT’s, as they tend to not be drafted as high.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Bruce Campbell was never activated again on gameday after Al died.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Bruce Campbell was never activated again on gameday after Al died.
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Which goes to show the lack of faith Wylie and Classic Wiz had in him. Again, best of luck to him, but this is not good. He’s got to step it up NOW or find a new line of work.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Raider O Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
HC: Allen
OC: Saunders
DC: ??
Damn you Del Rio!
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Not going to be Emmitt Thomas according to KC Radio. He will be staying in KC as DB Coach.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Again, I heard Keith Butler’s name being kicked around, but nothing confirmed yet. That would be an ideal hire if the rumors have any truth to them.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I don’t see Saunders staying as the OC.
Seems like there is going to be a fresh start with a whole new staff.
Maybe Saunders impresses in the interview, and does have a solid resume.
But I think we are going with a whole new set of faces, and realistically, a lot younger of ones to boot.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
If the Raiders are looking at offensive line help, Jeff Allen would be an immediate upgrade in pass protection on the right side. His stock is rising, though. Wouldn’t surprise me to see him eventually go in the early 3rd, especially if he’s as strong at the combine as he was in the Senior Bowl practices.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:07 am
wasbanned Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Raider O Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:50 am
HC: Allen
OC: Saunders
DC: ??
Damn you Del Rio!
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Not going to be Emmitt Thomas according to KC Radio. He will be staying in KC as DB Coach.
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It was reported last night, too. My guess is that at age 68, he doesn’t want to move halfway across the country for a defensive rebuilding job. He’ll probably just coach the KC DBs for another few years, then retire.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:06 am
I don’t see Saunders staying as the OC.
Seems like there is going to be a fresh start with a whole new staff.
Maybe Saunders impresses in the interview, and does have a solid resume.
But I think we are going with a whole new set of faces, and realistically, a lot younger of ones to boot.
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I would love to see Saunders stay just for the sake of continuity, but I won’t be mad if Allen brings in a new guy.
What if he gets Assistant from Saints staff that can bring over some of what they do?
January 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Damn you Del Rio!
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Gotta be offered the job first. Can’t expect him to wait around forever to get asked. I wanted him also
January 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
# Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Burfict is what you call a million dollar talent, and a ten cent head.
The reason we haven’t made the playoffs in 10 years is because we have these type of players littered all over our roster.
If the guy can’t dominate in college, which he didn’t and got progressively worse throughout his career, what makes us think he will be any good in the pro’s?
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I have been following Burfict since he was a highly touted recruit from Corona Centinial. I am an ASU alum and watched him play the last three years. He had a dominant fresh and sophomore year. His junior year he took a dip. I attribute this to Coach Erickson, he is not a coach that is a disciplinarian. Look at his Miami teams they ran wild, but were talented enough to overcome the discipline issue. Burfict needs as well as other Raider players a strict disciplinarian and I think we have that with Allen. I think Reggie will shy against these types of players. Al Davis would of done everything possible to draft Burfict.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Names to watch if the Raiders get pick #97:
DT Kendall Reyes (perfect fit as a 4-3 1-tech; strong bullrush, tackling machine)
DT Mike Martin (same as above)
DE Jake Bequette (4-3 LDE, could stand up in 3-4 looks)
LB Emmanuel Acho (possible 4-3 WLB, range and tackling ability, decent pass rusher)
LB Keenan Robinson (same as his teammate, will need to get better at shedding blocks)
OL Jeff Allen (very strong in pass protection, can play both tackle and both guard positions)
January 28th, 2012 at 11:39 am
What about Mathis from Indy or Osi from NY? Would allow Houston to slide inside. Like a two for one deal.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Also like Carr and Landry for the secondary.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I could see Barksdale, being traded with our 5th or sixth to get into the early third round.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:45 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Jesusraiderjim Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
John Tweedy Says:
January 27th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Real Talk I gotta go my sons school just got put on lock down I wonder what type of people caused this Real Talk
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His principal probably read some of your “real talk” posts and called fro a lock down before you came to pick your kid up!
Actually not at all. The Principle at my sons school, like most other high ranking Businessmen, Owners, Officers, and Top Managers, feel the exact same way as I do about “G’s”. They just can’t speak their mind in public. It seems our State, Federal and UCMJ laws prohibit such truthfulness.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:46 am
FA requests [preferences in order]:
1> Mario Williams
2> Carl Nicks
3> L. Landry
4> Reggie Wayne or M. Colston
January 28th, 2012 at 11:48 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I could see Barksdale, being traded with our 5th or sixth to get into the early third round.
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I’d rather NOT do that, actually. I think Barksdale has the potential to start at either RG or RT this year.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Yeah, o-line depth is a concern already. Barksdale will have a chance at starting with Barnes as an FA.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:44 am
I could see Barksdale, being traded with our 5th or sixth to get into the early third round.
So you trade Barks and a 5th to get into the 3rd and PRAY you get an O lineman as good as Barks? I have one question for you; what is the NET benefit?
IMHO you loose a future starter and a 5th for a unknown. Not good.
Unless this was a necessary trade to end up with a Franchise QB.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Tracy Porter and Wesley Woodyard will very likely be FA targets.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Go
January 28th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Ur right
January 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Barks will be the LG, Wiz at C.
RG and RT will be the best 2 between Barns, Coop, Campbell, 2-3 Vet FA’s, and 1-2 Drafted rookies.
Veld starts at LT
Sampson backs up C
Barns stays as back up LT RT JTE
January 28th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Barks will be the LG, Wiz at C.
RG and RT will be the best 2 between Barns, Coop, Campbell, 2-3 Vet FA’s, and 1-2 Drafted rookies.
Veld starts at LT
Sampson backs up C
Barns stays as back up LT RT JTE
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I’d prefer Barksdale at RG or RT and Heyer at LG. He and Baby Wiz were awesome in the first SD game.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I won’t be upset by Barks at RG RT or LG I just think he is good enough to man the LG, him between Wiz and Veld would be beyond solid RB and PB then we can concentrate our draft on right side linemen. It would be nice to have all 5 starters between 21 and 24 years old.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
what style D does Bowles coach?
is he a 3-4 or a 4-3 guy?
If he is a 3-4 guy…Maybe the combination of Bowles and Allen would make for a awesome blending of the schemes. Some 3-4 and some 4-3.
anyone else think thats a good idea?
January 28th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Raider Riff Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
what style D does Bowles coach?
is he a 3-4 or a 4-3 guy?
If he is a 3-4 guy…Maybe the combination of Bowles and Allen would make for a awesome blending of the schemes. Some 3-4 and some 4-3.
anyone else think thats a good idea?
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Sure. More ideas into the mix. The only question is whether he would feel comfortable with Allen dictating the game-day defense to him.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Damn you Del Rio!
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Gotta be offered the job first. Can’t expect him to wait around forever to get asked. I wanted him also
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Last team to sign our new head coach, and now also the last team to sign assts, which are being snatched up.
Sure hope this pans out.
With no draft picks next year, until late, means the new HC is already behind the 8ball.
Allen has only one year as d coor, and now he is running everything, and has to find assts from a dwindling list.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Talk about falling off your self built pedestal?
A month ago Hue was strutting around like a peacock.
Now he’s fallen off the face of the earth.
One interview and no one else even cares to talk to the guy?
Hue just wrote the book on “Ways to screw up an NFL career”
January 28th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
R8rArt Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Last team to sign our new head coach, and now also the last team to sign assts, which are being snatched up.
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Actually, I think TB signed Schiano after we signed Allen. Just because the presser hasn’t been held yet doesn’t mean nothing’s going on already.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
R8rArt Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Talk about falling off your self built pedestal?
A month ago Hue was strutting around like a peacock.
Now he’s fallen off the face of the earth.
One interview and no one else even cares to talk to the guy?
Hue just wrote the book on “Ways to screw up an NFL career”
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I suspect that Mike Silver hit piece turned off a LOT of potential employers. Hue may have just pulled a Mangini. Broadcast booth might the next stop.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
That is true. We don’t know what is up. I am sure Reg and Allen ain’t just sittin around and not thinking about the next move. We are gonna be plesantly surprised in the near future. Book it.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I suspect that Mike Silver hit piece turned off a LOT of potential employers. Hue may have just pulled a Mangini. Broadcast booth might the next stop.
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He’s definitely got the nails for it.
January 28th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I suspect that Mike Silver hit piece turned off a LOT of potential employers.
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Yep. The last thing an organization wants is a guy who is going to go public with in-house stuff the moment he feels like he’s getting his toes stepped on.
I liked the guy as a coach, but this is why Reggie McKenzie let him go.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
One thing I got to say is you can’t coach desire. I really hope we have some guys step up and start to lead this team. Until then you could get Lombardi to coach this team and it wouldn’t matter.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
The Mike Silver hit piece was dumb and sounded like a spurned ex-wife. All he did was hurt his future opps. But it showed his true self though. Too much street and not enough corporate smarts.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why is Allen waiting so long to hire his assistants?
We now lost a few GREAT DC’s before we hired Allen and now Del Rio is also taken (which I think is an upgrade at DC for Denver)
January 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Sorry Hue fans. It looks like Hue didnt get a shot at the OC job in Indy after all. Per PFT, Bruce Arian is going to be offered the OC job there.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
831.RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
R8rArt Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Last team to sign our new head coach, and now also the last team to sign assts, which are being snatched up.
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Actually, I think TB signed Schiano after we signed Allen. Just because the presser hasn’t been held yet doesn’t mean nothing’s going on already.
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Pagano was hired by Indy after Allen agreed to come here as well.
Nobody knew what was going on with the Raiders before Allen was hired. Nobody knows what’s going on with the staff right now. For all we know Allen could have his staff assembled; if the Raiders waited as long as they did to inform the public about the head coach they’re not going to break any records letting us know about his assistants.
On a different topic, I suspect that even Hue’s biggest supporters in here are starting to figure out why McKenzie didn’t want him around. Doesn’t look like anyone else does, either.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Why is Allen waiting so long to hire his assistants?
We now lost a few GREAT DC’s before we hired Allen and now Del Rio is also taken (which I think is an upgrade at DC for Denver)
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Hey may be hiring them right now, or have already hired them. Didn’t they say the presser wouldn’t be held until the staff was lined up?
January 28th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
edward teach Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
On a different topic, I suspect that even Hue’s biggest supporters in here are starting to figure out why McKenzie didn’t want him around. Doesn’t look like anyone else does, either.
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I’m starting to wonder if we won’t see him in the UFL next…
January 28th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
I’m starting to wonder if we won’t see him in the UFL next…
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Maybe he and Chuck B can present themselves as a package deal, lol.
I have a feeling Raider fans are done dealing with clowns for coaches. Makes me very happy.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Levi Damien has convinced me that it is Bill Johnson for DC and keeping Saunders as OC.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Who’s Levi Damien? It’s a bit of an Omen that you’re quoting him all of a sudden…
January 28th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
The Omen.. Levi is over at Thoughts from the Dark Side.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
I talked to Bill Wrangler and he don’t know what the F… is going on. I always liked Levis more anyway. He sounds legit
January 28th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
I have a feeling Raider fans are done dealing with clowns for coaches.
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Yes Sir! It’s refreshing.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
here you go boys…per thoughts from the darkside
UPDATE: Just hours after confirming Emmitt Thomas was “in the mix” for the Raiders DC position, Alex Marvez confirmed that Thomas is “OUT of the mix”. BUT, as things often go, another candidate has come to light. Another defensive coach who has ties with Dennis Allen is the Saints defensive line coach Bill Johnson. He now becomes the top candidate for the position although being “in the mix” is not confirmed the connection between the two is undeniable.
Bill Johnson and Dennis Allen have spent nearly their entire coaching careers together. They coached together at Texas A&M in the late nineties, then Johnson came to the Falcons in 2001 and Allen joined him the following season. They also coached together in New Orleans during Johnson’s first two seasons as the Saints defensive line coach.
Johnson has a long history of developing defensive line talent in his 11 years as an NFL coach.
In Johnson’s third fourth year as an NFL coach with the Falcons, Atlanta reached the NFC Championship Game with the defensive line leading the NFL in sacks (48) for the first time in franchise history. The Falcons also ranked eighth in the NFL in run defense, Patrick Kerney had a career-high 13 sacks and Rod Coleman led all defensive tackles with 11.5.
Coleman was selected to the Pro Bowl in 2005, and his 28 sacks from 2004-06 were the most by a defensive tackle in the NFL over that span. Kerney was voted to the Pro Bowl in 2004, and the defensive end had 53 sacks under Johnson’s tutelage from 2001-06, notching at least 10 sacks in three seasons.
During his tenure as defensive line coach with Atlanta from 2001-06, the team twice ranked in the top 10 in fewest yards allowed and fewest yards per carry (2004, 2006).
During his two seasons with the Broncos, he coached a unit that in 2007 tied for second in the NFL with nine takeaways, combining for seven fumble recoveries and two interceptions. That season, DE Elvis Dumervil tied for sixth in the league with 12.5 sacks.
The line thrived under Johnson in 2009. Defensive end Will Smith finished fifth in the NFL with a career-high 13 sacks. The defense finished second in the NFL in red zone touchdown percentage (39.3). In 2010, the Saints defense improved from 25th in the NFL to 4th in yardage allowed.
Reports say that the Raiders would not officially announce Dennis Allen as the team’s head coach until he has a staff put together. The team has scheduled the press conference to announce him for next Monday, January 30 at noon. So it is possible we could know by then which candidates will indeed be on staff
January 28th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Lonyae Miller on the PS. Interesting, Kelly Skipper was a FSU running back.
This from BSPN..
Despite operating as a backup throughout much of his collegiate career and rushing for only 354 yards in 2009, Miller rates as one of the more intriguing running backs of the 2010 draft.
Possessing good size and explosive speed, Miller had improved his production each of his first three seasons, rushing for 287 yards and two scores in 2006, 609 yards and seven touchdowns in 2007 and another 812 and seven scores as a junior.
Great things were projected for him in 2009, but Miller had the misfortune of playing behind Ryan Mathews, who simply led the NCAA with 1,808 rushing yards. Given only 68 carries in 2009, Miller had few opportunities to showcase his ability.
Scouts, however, know what he can do. After all, he had two runs of 80 yards or more a year earlier, as well as another of 68 yards. He was invited to the Senior Bowl to see what he could do against elite competition and his big-play potential stood out in Mobile. He had the game’s longest run from a back (18 yards) and finished with a game-high 44 rushing yards.
Miller was never able to establish himself as the go-to back in the WAC, so it’s doubtful he’ll be able to accomplish that feat in the NFL. However, teams looking for an explosive threat with good size to complement a power back will be certain to consider this one-cut back.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Hue Jackson does not have to worry. He gets paid for the 2nd year of contract unless Mark Davis pulls a AD and takes him to NFL run arbitration like Al Davis did with Lance Kiffin. Fired for cause. 8-8 is cause isn’t it.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I kept saying early on in the season that Hue didn’t have the talent or intelligence to be the Raider’s HC. I also noted that his play calling was defective as OC; Hue’s use of personnel was unsatisfactory in that games would feature different players week by week: there was never a consistent offensive scheme which utilized the talents of many receivers and runners on the roster. That is why when DMAC predictably went down, and when Ford and Moore were out for awhile, the club didn’t adjust or compensate.
I hammered my theme, and hammered it and hammered it and was met with derision and criticism from the group in this blog. Now the traits which I pointed out (and was kicked out of the blog for expressing, yesterday), have come to the fore for Hue, and he seems un-hireable. It seems that now the group-think of the blog is chagrined upon the thought of Hue being HC, and is wholly appreciative of his dismissal. It’s as if the group-think is now saying, “my God, how could he have ever been hired by AD, and how could we have put up with that conduct.”
However, as I have pointed out numerous times previously, just remember one thing: Hue, and everyone and everything bad that came to the Raiders, came from AD himself, incurred through dementia and meglo-mania. It was a disgusting and regrettable decade since 2002, (and even before, except for the Gruden anomaly).
Thankfully, that era is over. Of course Bay Area News will now burden content on its blog and will not allow free expression of those ideas, or so it seems, especially if there is a consistent challenge to the image of AD, which, when investigated, is far from sparkling.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Raiders new staff.
OC – Lance Kiffin
DC – Monte Kiffin
QB – Marc Wilson
DL – Bob Buckowski
OL – John Clay
RB – Vance Mueller
DB – Larry Brown & James Trapp
WR – James Jett
LB – Winston Moss
Special Teams – Leo Araguz
January 28th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
This is from NFLDraftScout.com on Rashawn Jackson:
Inside: Has some tools to ultimately develop into a legitimate interior threat. Good quickness to and through the hole. Decisive runner who presses the line of scrimmage and keeps his legs churning after contact to gain as much yardage as possible. Keeps both hands secure around the ball when in tight quarters. Enough lateral agility to bounce outside when he sees the hole close.
Outside: A more natural runner than you might expect for a player only a few years removed from playing linebacker. Lacks the speed to beat defenders to the edge, but has enough bounce to him to generate yardage in chunks.
Breaking tackles: Tough runner who fights through initial contact and keeps his legs churning. Good forward lean to gain extra yardage.
Blocking: Good effort to get downfield. Finds his target and is athletic enough to redirect and hit him. Too often relies on his hands to make the block, showing inconsistent accuracy in his placement and not enough explosiveness. Too much of a push-blocker, rather than the human pile-driver most teams are looking for in a true lead blocker.
Receiving: Developing receiver who shows good body control to handle poorly thrown passes. Shows the ability to catch passes with just his hands, but often allows the ball into his pads. Can make the catch and take a hit without losing control. Typically only asked to sneak out of the backfield for dump offs and screens, but has the athletic ability for wheel routes.
Intangibles: Former inside linebacker who has made a successful transition to fullback for the Cavaliers. Strong special teams player with experience on kickoff return and punt coverage. Charged in October 2008 with grand larceny and breaking and entering in a November 2007 dorm incident, but charges were dropped due to a lack of evidence.
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McKenzie picked him up a few days after he was signed as GM.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
We all have our favorites…
Favorite players, favorite coaches, favorite draft picks, trades, etc….
But ONE move that I think would be absolutely brilliant in my opinion, and necessary, is to let Michael Bush walk and use that money to acquire MARSHAWN “BEASTMODE” LYNCH.
Look, both Bush and Lynch are FREE AGENTS. Meaning, Bush is going to walk unless he gets the money he thinks he can get as a starter. Last season Bush made about a million dollars more than Lynch did.
So instead of slapping the franchise tag on Bush and paying anywhere from 5-10 million dollars a year, why not offer that same money to Marshawn Lynch, and entice him to come put on the Silver and Black, and play in his hometown, Oakland, CA!
Marshawn has been in the league a few years now and appears to be a much more mature and level headed player, and there is no question about his TALENT!
Bush is a GOOD running back, but he doesn’t run in a violent, or explosive manner. He doesn’t ATTACK the holes or running lanes in the defense.
Imagine a RB tandem featuring the ‘Law Firm of Mcfadden and Lynch’! It would be hands down, the best in the league, and would simply wear down the opposing defense, especially in the 4th quarter!
This makes too much sense to ignore. Make it happen Mckenzie!
January 28th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
i’ll be the first to admit that as a hue supporter, that silver article really exposed what many of us suspected about hue’s dis-ingenuinous.
i wanted to keep him around cause i thought he was a good coach. and i still do. but i also thought he truly cared about the raiders, of which he didnt.
good coach. bad person.
anyways, does anyone want to answer my earlier question….what D does Bowles coach, 3-4 or 4-3?
January 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
He is considered a leading candidate to take over the Steelers’ defensive coordinator position when Dick Lebeau retires, due to his experience in coaching Pittsburgh’s 3-4 defense.
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Butler should just stick around in Pittsburgh until Lebeau is gone.
January 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Only thing better than one overpaid RB is two overpaid RBs.
Running the ball won’t get you past the elite defenses in this league.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Corky seems to think it will be Bill Johnson as DC, I couldn’t find much info on him, all I know is he was the Saints DLine coach the last few years. How old is he? Has he ever ben a DC? Is he a 3-4 or 4-3 guy or has he coached both?
January 28th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I don’t know about Bowles but a good coach would design a scheme that gets the most out of the players that he has. It doesn’t matter anyway, see 849.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
ArmChair GM, #855,
ArmChair, I your plan except it is flawed. That flaw is DMAC. DMAC has serial foot and lower leg injuries and can never compete for more than half of any season. Once he goes down, (and he will) there is no DMAC & Lynch.
How will we cure that ?
January 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Raider Riff, #856,
Do you have a link to the Silver article??
Remember one thing, Silver is as duplicitous as they come. However, I was never a fan of Hue; he seemed like a pimp to me.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Armchair, I like your plan ****
January 28th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Anything new from the semi pro’s? Figure Steve wont having anything till Tuesday.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
We’ve been working hard and doing research.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Do you have a link to the Silver article??
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Here it is, in all of its libelous glory: The End of Hue Jackson’s career.
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news?slug=ms-silver_oakland_raiders_hue_jackson_mark_davis_011112
LOL at the way even Silver can’t disparage Reggie McKenzie. He really is an awesome hire.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Name me the last SB winner that was the top running team?
Screw that. We need to slang the ball around, we need a big, athletic Tight End, invest that money on the O line.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
303Raider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
We need a big, athletic Tight End…
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Already on the roster. Kevin Boss.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
need to use him. hopefully we will. The playoffs should have proved that to anyone that watched them
January 28th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
ArmChair GM, #855,
ArmChair, I your plan except it is flawed. That flaw is DMAC. DMAC has serial foot and lower leg injuries and can never compete for more than half of any season. Once he goes down, (and he will) there is no DMAC & Lynch.
How will we cure that ?
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I understand your point Hardline. Which is exactly why I think we need a player like Lynch.
Bush stepped up big time in place of Mcfadden last season and had some memorable performances. And it is pretty accepted around the league that in todays NFL you have to have a running back tandem to make it through an entire season.
So if we can get Lynch for roughly the SAME price it would take to keep Bush, why wouldn’t we jump on it! I think we can all agree that Lynch is more of a difference maker than Bush is.
And since even the best backs in the league like Adrian Peterson, Arian Foster, suffered injuries last year, how prudent it would be to have two starting caliber RB’s that run violently and can break the big one!
Think about how close games we lost because we couldn’t get the first down on 3rd and short yardage to run out the clock in the 4th quarter.
It is precisely in these types of situations where having the luxury to bring in two running backs who can score, and most defenses won’t have the will to hit or take a hit from in the 4th quarter.
In other words the logic is simple.
Since Mcfadden is injury prone, thereby making a second RB a NECESSITY, why pay big money to keep Bush, if we can get Lynch who is BETTER, for the same price?
It’s a no brainer in my opinion.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
The problem is Boss can’t play very often due to concussion syndrome.Hopefully Ausberry(?) has picked up the blocking aspect and will be able to contribute at TE next season.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Boss is slow. He couldn’t outrun LB’s.
We need a Jimmy Graham type. Trade boss or release him, too many concussions….
January 28th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Lynch would be a great pickup if we could get him for the right price. No link to back that up just my humble opinion
January 28th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Hue seemed to use Myers as much as he used Boss. If they are equal keep Myers and see if we can get something for Boss.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
303Raider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Name me the last SB winner that was the top running team?
Screw that. We need to slang the ball around, we need a big, athletic Tight End, invest that money on the O line.
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What I saw was an NFL where every single week it seemed like at least one team gave up a game winning TD! The Raiders were notorious for it, but by no means were we the ONLY team.
In my opinion you pass to get the lead, but how do you beat the elite QB’s like Rodgers, Brees and Brady???
By controlling the time of possession especially late in games and keeping those QB’s off the field. And how do you do that????
By effectively RUNNING the ball to get first downs and keep the clock moving!
I don’t care how good your offense is, you’re not gonna win too many games trying to have a shootout against Brady, Brees and Rodgers, especially with defensive backs basically not even allowed to touch receivers anymore.
Give me Mcfadden and Lynch, and fix the right side of the o-line and you’ll see how we can make a championship team built for the long haul.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Lynch would want starter money maybe wants to start. I do like the idea of bringing Lynch here but i dont see seatle letting him walk. If we get Lynch i bet Bush goes to seattle
January 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Armchair,great idea,but that is too much money tied up on 1 position.Why not get a young back who you can pay close to the minimum to be your back-up?
January 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
I doubt Bush goes to Seattle.Cable is there and I wonder if he has as high of an opinion of Bush as most on here do.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
ArmChair GM, #870
ArmChair, you have a valid point. Got it!
January 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
RaiderDuck, #866
Thanks for the link RaiderDuck. Actually I read that article previously, and for me it destroyed Silver’s credibility. Essentially, Silver claims he got the information from an “unnamed” sub-coach. I have a tendency to disbelieve hearsay statements, and a tendency to disbelieve claims laid upon hearsay statements.
Also, Silver makes the point that Mark fired Hue, which can’t be proven, and goes on to say that the dismissal was a dumb move.
If, however, it is fact the Mark did fire Hue, it was a great move by Mark and not a “dumb” move as Silver claims. In 20/20 hindsight we can see that is true.
Further, Silver’s claim that the reason Mark fired Hue was because Hue witnessed disparagement of Mark by Al at a team meeting is nonsense. Mark had just cause to fire Hue for reasons too numerous to re-hash here, except to say Hue lacked the talent and intelligence to move the Raiders toward dynasty.
Seems Silver had too much time on his hands and was grasping for a topic.
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