Allen’s to-do list a long one
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, January 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Recently hired Raiders head coach Dennis Allen will field questions from the media Monday at his introductory news conference in Alameda. That will be just the start of the process of answering questions for the first-time head coach.
Allen inherits a Raiders team that finished 8-8 for the second straight season and one that hasn’t won more than eight games or qualified for the playoffs since 2002.
He is the seventh coach since 2002, when the Raiders finished 11-5 and advanced to the Super Bowl under Bill Callahan. Late Raiders managing general partner Al Davis fired Callahan one season later.
Then came Norv Turner for two seasons, Art Shell for one, Lane Kiffin for one-plus season, Tom Cable and Hue Jackson. What makes Allen a better candidate to get the Raiders back on track for glory? We’re about to find out.
For Allen to succeed, he is going to have to find answers to questions that eluded his many predecessors. Among them:
How to solve the persistent penalties issue. The Raiders are fresh from a season in which they set NFL records for most penalties and penalty yardage in a season.
Jackson promised to get the problem fixed, even if it took him all season. He left town the owner of two ignominious marks and no clue how to break through on a problem that has dogged the Raiders for years.
How to fix the run defense. This was another long-time issue that Jackson promised to fix. Again, he failed. The Raiders allowed 5.1 yards per carry and finished near the bottom of the league in average yards per game.
How to keep Darren McFadden healthy for an entire season. McFadden has yet to make it through a whole season in his four-year NFL career. He missed the final nine games of the 2011 season with a sprained foot.
Allen has to determine whether it’s better to keep McFadden and hope he hits upon the proper recipe to stay healthy for the whole season or if the time is ripe to trade McFadden, while his trade value is high.
The Raiders as of now have only fifth- and sixth-round draft picks in April. McFadden is the player with the most trade value on the Raiders roster. As difficult as it would be to part with McFadden, that might be the only way for the Raiders to recoup some draft picks, though they likely will receive two or three compensatory picks.
Hiring coordinators and the rest of his staff. Allen’s first order of business will be to decide whether to retain offensive coordinator Al Saunders, defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan and any of the other assistants who were part of Jackson’s staff.
Defensive line coach Mike Waufle and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal already signed elsewhere, Waufle with the St. Louis Rams and Lal with the New York Jets.
It seems to make sense for Allen to retain Saunders so that he can enter his first season without having to worry very much about the offense. From there, he could put a ton of energy and attention toward a defense that cost the Raiders several games last season.
Finding some game-changers on defense. Most of the 11 starters, as well as the key reserves, are under contract for 2012. Even so, none of those players is a bonafide impact player along the lines of a Vince Wilfork, Terrell Suggs, Patrick Willis or Justin Smith.
Several players who fit that bill are expected to be available in free agency. It’s imperative that Allen bring in a couple of those players, or risk another season in which the defense shines at times, struggles at others.
What to do with quarterback Carson Palmer. Jackson mortgaged the future by trading for Palmer midway through last season. It’s a trade Jackson had to make, though it’s questionable whether he had to give up a first- and second-round pick to do so.
Either way, Palmer is 32, past his prime and slated to earn $11.5 million in 2012. The easy move would be to keep Palmer and hope Palmer performs at a higher level with the benefit of an entire offseason with the Raiders.
There aren’t many attractive options on the free agent market — Matt Flynn and Jason Campbell are at or near the top of the list.
Second-year player Terrelle Pryor is the only other quarterback under contract on Oakland’s roster — Campbell and Kyle Boller are eligible to become free agents in mid-March.
Campbell has no interest in returning as a backup. However, if Allen decides to part ways with Palmer, Campbell would be a possibility to return for a third season.
Allen likely will have suitable answers for all these questions. Whether they are the right answers remains to be seen. No one knows how Allen is going to pan out as a head coach. It’s just another on a long list of questions that beg answers.
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January 28th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Go Raiders
January 28th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Very good post. Those are the issues and questions that Allen and McKenzie have to sort through.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
It is pretty funny that some like Steve say Palmer is past his prime,yet Eli Manning is only 1 year younger and is considered to be in the prime of his carreer.I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Corkran says: Even so, none of those players is a bonafide impact player along the lines of a Vince Wilfork, Terrell Suggs, Patrick Willis or Justin Smith.
Several players who fit that bill are expected to be available in free agency. It’s imperative that Allen bring in a couple of those players,
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This is the biggest issue for this team. The Raiders have way too many “check cashers” on defense that do nothing productive but cash their bloated, cap killing, no performance earned pay checks.
I think the Raiders will have to cut bait with some of these guys. Clean up the house and have a more competitive position from a salary cap perspective to sign true productive players.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Armchair,great idea,but that is too much money tied up on 1 position.Why not get a young back who you can pay close to the minimum to be your back-up?
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This line of reasoning means that Bush is not worth retaining, because he will CLEARLY not take the minimum to stay with the Raiders.
But if most feel that Bush IS worth retaining, then instead of slapping the franchise tag on him, use that money to get Marshawn Lynch, and have the best RB combo in the league!
It’s a no brainer.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Lefty12,
Carson Palmer has to deliver the goods. He has played like a guy on the downside of his career.
Eli is playing at a very high level and appears to be getting better by the game
January 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I think the counter is that Eli seems to be getting better, while Palmer has plateued, if not receeded a little.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Cork, You Don’t trade a player like DMC for some draft picks, If they do decide to trade him it should be for a proven player and or draft picks.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Our defense can’t get any worse.
Our division sucks.
Our offense will just get better.
Lots of potential for us next year…
Now that’s Al’s gone, I bet we won’t have those penalty issues as bad as we have had them in the past…
January 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Corkran says: Allen has to determine whether it’s better to keep McFadden and hope he hits upon the proper recipe to stay healthy for the whole season or if the time is ripe to trade McFadden, while his trade value is high.
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This is a very tough call here. When DMAC is on he is a very good running back….but he isn’t on the field much.
I would roll with him another year, but could understand moving on…especially if they get a good deal
January 28th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Watching this Senior Bowl is brutal.
All the tackles look bad, QB’s are awful, WR’s dropping passes constantly.
I’ll take the DB from Vandy that got the pick the end of the half.
Probably not athletic enough to be a starter, but smart enough to get by as a 3rd DB(with lots of ST’s value) to be a good value in the mid-rounds.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
What I saw in the NFL last season was at least one team giving up a game winning TD almost EVERY WEEK! The Raiders were notorious for it, but by no means were we the ONLY team guilty of it.
In my opinion you pass to get the lead. But you beat the elite QB’s like Rodgers, Brees and Brady by controlling the time of possession especially late in games and keeping those QB’s off the field.
And how do you do that????
By effectively RUNNING the ball to get first downs and keep the clock moving!
I don’t care how good your offense is, you’re not gonna win too many games trying to have a shootout against Brady, Brees and Rodgers, especially with defensive backs basically not even allowed to touch receivers anymore.
Give me Mcfadden and Lynch, and fix the right side of the o-line and you’ll see how we can make a championship team built for the long haul.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Cork, You Don’t trade a player like DMC for some draft picks, If they do decide to trade him it should be for a proven player and or draft picks.
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Draft picks are more valuable in the salary cap era.
A “proven” player, is going to be at his peak, earnings wise.
A draft pick, is on the bottom end of it.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Its easy to just blame Al Davis for this. Al certainly takes the blame for signing these guys for sure….
But I also blame the players for not owning up to the trust, confidence and money Al put into them.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
JFB,
You get it. When signing a free agent, the mistake most make is they think they are getting the guy over the last few years….
Nope…gotta project 90% of the man and decline going forward.
THat’s why the Palmer trade was so freekn stupid!
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Armchair GM,
The NYG were dead last in running offense this season, and their ypc average was the worst in the NFL in 3 years.
And they will be Super Bowl champions in a week.
You need to put up points, score in the 4th quarter, and find ways to get off the field defensively.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Top flight RB’s don’t win SB’s lately.
Last one’s were Emmit Smith and Terrell Davis.
He is my fav player but we need some mean defensive lineman that eat QB’s!!
And some more good O-lineman cuz if Palmer can’t stay upright, we are down next year.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
PLEASE keep Palmer. Do you guys realize how hard it is to find a franchise QB? it’s not easy. When palmer had to get in there dart an arror downfield, he did it. With Campbell? My confidence isn’t there. good guy and all but not sure he could get it done. He’s just a tad better than Alex Smith.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Done not down
January 28th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
The next phase for McKenzie/Allen is to evaluate the roster. Then to target a couple of top free agents and some second tier guys that are improvements on what we have. The draft is going to be critical but I think McKenzie is going to find a way to get some quality players. I believe that we will be a much better team next year, whether it is reflected in our record remains to be seen.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Palmer will be the starting in 2012.
Don’t know about after that unless he plays well and wins the division.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Corkran says: How to solve the persistent penalties issue. The Raiders are fresh from a season in which they set NFL records for most penalties and penalty yardage in a season.
Jackson promised to get the problem fixed, even if it took him all season. He left town the owner of two ignominious marks and no clue how to break through on a problem that has dogged the Raiders for years.
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This is number 1 on his agenda. This goes to preparation and discipline. I hope Allen scrutinizes the roster accordingly.
No excuse for breaking records on things like this
January 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I don’t understand writing off Palmer as past his peak. I can’t imagine any QB coming in under the circumstances Palmer faced and succeeding. Not only did he have no off-season, but once he started developing a little chemistry with Moore and Ford, they got injured. Throw in the absence of McFadden and it becomes clear that Palmer tried too hard and got outside of his game. Look at some of those throws in the first SD game when he still had Moore and Ford. There are very few QBs in this league who can make the throw he made to Reece for the TD. I expect big things.
January 28th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Highest scoring team in the 4th quarter this season was the Giants.
Last year, the Packers were #2
The year before the Saints were #1
4th quarter scoring is looking like the most important stat in the NFL these days.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
jc Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
PLEASE keep Palmer. Do you guys realize how hard it is to find a franchise QB? it’s not easy. When palmer had to get in there dart an arror downfield, he did it. With Campbell? My confidence isn’t there. good guy and all but not sure he could get it done. He’s just a tad better than Alex Smith.
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Or maybe the same as Alex Smith…both JC and Alex Smith had to deal with coaching chaos.
Having a QB that throws lazers all day long and putting up 40 ppg is not the only way to win.
You can win with a strong running game, great defense and solid QB play.
Finding gun slinger QBs that are actually very good is extremely difficult.
You have to draft and develop those types.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Last 2 teams to win SB’s with top running games were Cowboys with Smith and Donkey’s with Terrel Davis, AND they had top notch QB’s.
We don’t need 2 starting RB’s, are you crazy?
You need a superior offensive line and defensive line.
Wide receivers that can get open and make plays which we have actually.
And a all world QB which is in question for sure.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Draft picks are more valuable in the salary cap era.
A “proven” player, is going to be at his peak, earnings wise.
A draft pick, is on the bottom end of it.
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True but trading DMC just to get more picks wouldn’t be smart, the draft is such a gamble that I wouldn’t want to risk losing DMC for some unknown player.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Carson only looks great in Oakland because of the train wreck of QBs that have gone through here.
Plenty of teams that needed QBs were willing to sell out to get this guy….and the fact they were unwilling to sellout…suggests that the league doesn’t consider him as “elite”
Carson is a good QB…but not elite…or great
January 28th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Instead of signing Bush we need to sigh Nicks from NO, dude mashes people and he can pass protect.
Only way we sniff the division is if Palmer stays upright and has time to throw the ball.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
I see Hue got passed up for another OC job.
I am delighted the Raiders have raised the bar in coaching talent.
Good job Reggie!
January 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
JFB, absolutely, if you are going to be a contender you have to own the fourth quarter. It is a reflection of your game plan and the intensity of your players.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Corkran says: How to fix the run defense. This was another long-time issue that Jackson promised to fix. Again, he failed. The Raiders allowed 5.1 yards per carry and finished near the bottom of the league in average yards per game.
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Allen should get this improved by deploying a better scheme and gettting the “check cashers” motivated or out the door
January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
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January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The Raiders as of now have only fifth- and sixth-round draft picks in April
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Ridiculous….absolutely ridiculous
January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
I wouldn’t draft either Kellen Moore, Lindley or Russell Wilson in the 7th round.
These guys are awful.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
jc Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
PLEASE keep Palmer. Do you guys realize how hard it is to find a franchise QB? it’s not easy. When palmer had to get in there dart an arror downfield, he did it. With Campbell? My confidence isn’t there. good guy and all but not sure he could get it done. He’s just a tad better than Alex Smith.
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Agreed. Palmer’s the first Raiders QB since Gannon that didn’t make me want to cover my eyes every time he threw over the middle.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Corkran says: It’s a trade Jackson had to make, though it’s questionable whether he had to give up a first- and second-round pick to do so.
Either way, Palmer is 32, past his prime and slated to earn $11.5 million in 2012. The easy move would be to keep Palmer and hope Palmer performs at a higher level with the benefit of an entire offseason with the Raiders.
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Is Carson Palmer worth $11.5MM?
I think the future of Al Saunders will go along way to determining the answer to this question.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
The Raiders as of now have only fifth- and sixth-round draft picks in April
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Ridiculous….absolutely ridiculous
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#1 Pick – Palmer
#2 Pick – Taiwan and Barksdale
#3 Pick – Pryor
#4 Pick – Jason Campbell
#5 Pick – ?
#6 Pick – ?
#7 Pick – Curry
Not terrible, but you can thank Al and Hue for the lack of picks.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
I am willing to give Palmer a chance. Yes, he has only a few years left. But maybe with a quality franchise behind him he will deliver.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Carson Palmer is the first QB we have had in awhile that has the arm talent to convert 3rd and 13’s.
The downside of this though, he tries to convert EVERY 3rd and 13 and forces too many throws resulting in turnovers.
Needs to find the happy medium in there.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderDuck,
Just because Al Davis was terrible at finding QB talent doesn’t make Carson Palmer all world.
Carson has to play like Aaron Rogers, Drew Brees and Eli Manning…..he has to win games when the run game is junk and the defense isn’t stopping anyone.
Matt Stafford was in an environment like that all year.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
#1 Pick – Palmer
#2 Pick – Taiwan and Barksdale
#3 Pick – Pryor
#4 Pick – Jason Campbell
#5 Pick – ?
#6 Pick – ?
#7 Pick – Curry
Not terrible, but you can thank Al and Hue for the lack of picks.
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Al and Hue messed up on this one
January 28th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
question what makes a quarterback past his prime,as ray mcdonald put.it’s a freaking joke at 31 palmer ispast his prime. yet how old is brees, brady, how old is vick. how old was steve young when he won a super bowl. for that matter how old was plunkett.
i’ll will agree we gave up alot for palmer , but for a qarterback who sat on the shelf for a season and a half.with no preseason he played alright. showed flashes. he’s the best quarterback we had since i don’t know when. the thing that struck me is he showed leadership,and fight.
i my be one of the few but i see palmer having a big year for us. lastly even with the picks he threw
the man was trying to make a play.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I hope to see Palmer and DMC together when the season starts and it better be here in Oakland.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
The worst on that list for why we don’t have any picks is Taiwan Jones.
Not that he is THAT bad, but I highly doubt we needed to move up to get him.
He wasn’t invited to the combine and had only a handful of teams attend his pro Day.
A massive reach in the 3rd round, and than we gave up a future pick to move up?
Ridiculous. At least with MM34, we traded down a few spots before reaching for him in the 2nd round.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Everyone should buckle their seat belts.
The Raiders have a cap problem.
In addition they also have a “play to your pay” problem as well.
There will be some surprising “to a few” roster moves this offseason.
No doubt.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
I believe we got Taiwan in the 4th, thats where he was projected to go, how it sounds Rex Ryan was ready to take him, the same with Moore.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
What I think we sometimes overlook is that players are not oblivious to the dysfunction that has permeated the Raiders for decades. I’m confident that McKenzie and Allen will turn this around from day one, it is a new era and it won’t be lost on the players.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
The worst on that list for why we don’t have any picks is Taiwan Jones.
Not that he is THAT bad, but I highly doubt we needed to move up to get him.
He wasn’t invited to the combine and had only a handful of teams attend his pro Day.
A massive reach in the 3rd round, and than we gave up a future pick to move up?
Ridiculous. At least with MM34, we traded down a few spots before reaching for him in the 2nd round.
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No, no, no. We traded this year’s 2nd to NE for last year’s 3rd and 4th Rounder. With the 3rd Rounder we picked Barksdale, and with the 4th we got Taiwan.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
I’m not sold on Jones, Mitchell or Pryor. But I’ll leave to McKenzie and Allen to make the call.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
OK, so the compensation we gave up wasn’t as bad.
I still think we could have sat tight and picked him later.
No way of knowing though.
He better perform, Al put a lot of confidence in him.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
too bad Jones is also inury prone, we could of used him down the stretch when Bush wasn’t looking like Bush, and when we didn’t have much of an outside run threat except reverses to our WRs.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The thing that galls me the most about the way Al drafted was that he picked players laying in his bedroom watching tape. He never talked to Russell or McClain. He just assumed that everyone wanted to be a Raider.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The thing that galls me the most about the way Al drafted was that he picked players laying in his bedroom watching tape. He never talked to Russell or McClain. He just assumed that everyone wanted to be a Raider.
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To be fair, go back and check all the pre-draft reports on McClain. They ALL talk about what a great character guy he is, and call him “practically a defensive coordinator on the field.” Who knew he’d turn into a trigger-happy chump?
January 28th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Steve, you make this sound like coach Allen’s call on all of the questions you posted….aren’t you forgetting about the GM….Reggie McKenzie, it seems to me that he will have plenty of say as to who is on this team not just coach Allen, at the end of the day, there is going to be a ton of roster moves for the better and I for one can’t wait…goodbye to the scholarship players and the night before the game clubbers!!!
January 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
the salary cap has never been a problem. but whenit comes time to trim the fat,i really think seymore can go as far as i’m concerned. he didn’t do squat this year but get stupid penaties at the wrong time. probably will used his probowl election to try to squeeze more money ,or not accept a pay cut.
don’t know who’s on the market on the free agent market, but we defenitely need some yuong stud d-tackles who won’t run out of gas andwho can clog the middle
January 28th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Almost everyone had Russell and McClain rated high. But if you don’t talk to them and get a feel for who they are you are going to be dissapointed. Al was dissappointed so many times it is ridiculous.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
space man spiff Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
the salary cap has never been a problem. but whenit comes time to trim the fat,i really think seymore can go as far as i’m concerned. he didn’t do squat this year but get stupid penaties at the wrong time. probably will used his probowl election to try to squeeze more money ,or not accept a pay cut.
don’t know who’s on the market on the free agent market, but we defenitely need some yuong stud d-tackles who won’t run out of gas andwho can clog the middle
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Seymour still has value, but it’s as more of a part-time player. 2011 was finally when he grew old. The more I think about, the more I suspect that his increased personal fouls were caused by his frustration that he can no longer dominate like he did (particularly on running plays), and opponents mocking him and deliberately pushing his buttons.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
I’d hate to see it, but a DMC trade is probably the best option. Would get at least a player+pick in return.
I also don’t see how dropping Palmer is at all an option – simply because of how much the Raiders paid for him.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
All these posters now want to cut Seymour.
Where were you last offseason when I said that we can’t already call that trade with the Pats a success just yet, and EVERY SINGLE comment I got back was that I didn’t know what I was talking about and was a hater?
January 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Al would talk to some players before the draft, I remember when we drafted Veldheer he spoke of when he came out to Oakland and talked with Mr.Davis.
Maybe he didn’t like to show his cards when it came to guys in the first round, Who knows
January 28th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I would not trade DMAC. I think the whole league knows that he can’t hold up. Keep him and use him sparingly, as a starter, but as a decoy 50% of the time.
January 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
All these posters now want to cut Seymour.
Where were you last offseason when I said that we can’t already call that trade with the Pats a success just yet, and EVERY SINGLE comment I got back was that I didn’t know what I was talking about and was a hater?
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I’m in the camp that thinks Seymour’s veteran leadership was something VERY necessary for this team.
Thing is, I’m not sure he still fits a need for the Raiders in 2012.
One thing is for sure, that trade looked a whole lot better before giving him a two-year, $30 million contract with half guaranteed.
He’s a prime candidate to have his contract restructured.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Trade Palmer and McFadden for picks, resign Campbell, retain Saunders, franchise Bush, drop McClain, drop Khalif “off sides” Barnes, sign/ draft two decent corners, and I would drop the whole defensive staff except for Woodson.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
He’s a prime candidate to have his contract restructured.
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I doubt he’ll agree to it at this point. He’ll probably just want to take the $15 Mil, play one more season, and then retire.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Franchising Bush is a terrible idea. No way would he get that kind of money on the open market.
$3 million a year should be the maximum contract he’s offered.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
I doubt he’ll agree to it at this point. He’ll probably just want to take the $15 Mil, play one more season, and then retire.
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Wouldn’t surprise me. In this case, I wonder if it would be preferable to eat $7.5 million and cut him before his roster bonus kicks in, than to pay him the entire $15 million.
Tough call for McKenzie and Allen.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Yeah, Seymour is another Al Davis mistake. Keep him and reduce his role. Get something for your 15 million.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
3.lefty12 Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
It is pretty funny that some like Steve say Palmer is past his prime,yet Eli Manning is only 1 year younger and is considered to be in the prime of his carreer.I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.
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Not to mention that Palmer is younger than Gannon when we first got him.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Keep Palmer and keep McFadden.
Get rid of Seymour.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
No chance in hell McKenzie franchises Bush.
Bush will not get anything much more than maybe 3 years 13 million.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Trade bait in my opinion and we won’t get much:
Boss
Murphy
Huff
January 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
If Carson is the real deal…shouldn’t need a stud backup running back.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
64.raiderpete Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Trade Palmer and McFadden for picks, resign Campbell, retain Saunders, franchise Bush, drop McClain, drop Khalif “off sides” Barnes, sign/ draft two decent corners, and I would drop the whole defensive staff except for Woodson.
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I don’t like the idea of trading DMC or Palmer, but I would imagine a team would be willing to give up some high picks if you had those two as a package deal.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Tommy Kelly could net a mid-round pick. Late 3rd or early 4th rounder.
If the Raiders can get at least a 2nd and 4th for McFadden, they should take it. Anything less wouldn’t be worth it. But if they want to get back into the 2nd round, McFadden is their only bargaining chip.
Doubt they trade Palmer. Without a top 3 draft pick, they have no better option at QB.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
We are stuck with Palmer, no matter what your opinion of him is. We gave up two high round draft picks for him. Nobody will give up anything close to that.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
If McKenzie gets us into the second round it better be a fantastic pick. I don’t see that happening.
He is going to have to work his magic in the third round and lower.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
RaiderDuck,
Just because Al Davis was terrible at finding QB talent doesn’t make Carson Palmer all world.
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Al Davis was terrible at finding QB talent..?!!!!!!!
What the fuk is wrong with you?!
Al Davis found Blanda, Lamonica, Snake, Plunkett, Gannon.
They weren’t that bad.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
If McKenzie gets the Raiders into the second round, the following players will be in play:
DT/NT Alameda Ta’amu
DT/NT Dontari Poe
RB Lamar Miller
RB Doug Martin
DE/OLB Vinny Curry
DT Fletcher Cox
LB Bobby Wagner
LB Sean Spence
January 28th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Al Davis found Blanda, Lamonica, Snake, Plunkett, Gannon.
They weren’t that bad.
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He was good at finding VETERAN QB talent, but lousy at developing it. I believe the only young QB we ever developed was Ken Stabler. All the other successful ones were castoffs from other organizations.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I wonder which NFL team Dean pees will be the HC of next year? Redskins, Vikings, Browns
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Cross Del Rio off the list for DC. He’s a Donkey now. Quickly running out of names. Saunders needs to stay and Bresnahan must go.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Other than that DE from UNC, who will be a top 15 pick, I wasn’t all that impressed with those Senior Bowl guys today.
That Cincy RB looked good, and I liked that Heyward kid from Vandy at DB. I guess the FB from Wisconsin made a play and blocked OK.
I was specifically trying to watch the tackles, and they all pretty much sucked.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I think the only one of those QB picks that was made by AD was Lamonica.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Forget Campbell. This blog has a short memory about what he looked like when he threw balls over 10 yards. and how his vision was so small he checked down when people were open down field.
Palmer played well. He threw over 400 yards in the last game.
I hope our Offensive Coordinator gets creative in using all the pieces. Including our FB, RBs out of the backfield etc. and keeps utilizing the players for their strengths (like DHB on short to mid routes and letting him make his yards after catch).
January 28th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
My bad, and Blanda, though he never was a starter.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
CP will never be better than you saw him this past season. He had injury issues for the Bengals then quit on them after earning over $100M in 8 seasons. Mainly, CP is past his prime: virtually immobile, non-elusive, doesn’t roll out and improvise, doesn’t scramble to avoid the rush and gain 1st downs.
His high INT and fumble rate is to be expected.
My advice is to allow open competition with all comers in mini-camps, and the preseason, with an emphasis on Pryor in order to evaluate Pryor’s abilities.
If CP wins out keep him for another season while we transition toward a franchise QB and dynasty. If we focus highly on running again this next season, mayber CP will be a non-issue. At least we’ll have not thrown our money down yet another dry hole.
Am not sure about Campbell. I have never been impressed with him or any QB who is a decent game manager. Superbowls are rarely won with “decent game managers.”
If the 49′ers had an impressive offense, and an upgrade at QB instead of a “decent game manager”, they would be playing in the Superbowl next Sunday.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I think the only one of those QB picks that was made by AD was Lamonica.
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No, it was Stabler. “Mad Bomber” Lamonica came over in a trade from Buffalo.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
84.Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I think the only one of those QB picks that was made by AD was Lamonica.
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That’s right, when Al was running things, other people always made the decisions.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Stabler was a Ron Wolf pick, Al never liked him until he won the Super Bowl.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
joker94583 Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Cross Del Rio off the list for DC. He’s a Donkey now. Quickly running out of names. Saunders needs to stay and Bresnahan must go.
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Bresnahan IS gone. Reggie Mac let him and the other assistants keep their offices while they looked for other jobs, but most will not be asked back.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Palmer should look better next season, he will have an offseason instead of coming in off the couch, C’MON MAN!!!
January 28th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
For those who keep saying how crap Palmer is.
Who would you prefer?
January 28th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
I see that there are rumors that Javhid Best’s career may be over.
That’s why you don’t overpay RB’s.
Their shelf-live is shorter than room-temperature chicken.
Kevin Boss is unfortunately heading down this path.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
36.RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
jc Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
PLEASE keep Palmer. Do you guys realize how hard it is to find a franchise QB? it’s not easy. When palmer had to get in there dart an arror downfield, he did it. With Campbell? My confidence isn’t there. good guy and all but not sure he could get it done. He’s just a tad better than Alex Smith.
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Agreed. Palmer’s the first Raiders QB since Gannon that didn’t make me want to cover my eyes every time he threw over the middle.
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Now that comment makes sense.
Palmer is probably the best QB we’ve had since Gannon and maybe even since Plunkett.
Even if he sucks next year, that is still true.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
90.Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Stabler was a Ron Wolf pick, Al never liked him until he won the Super Bowl.
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Yeah right, you can’t give Al credit for anything good, huh
January 28th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
84.Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I think the only one of those QB picks that was made by AD was Lamonica.
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Blanda was picked up after he was cut by the Oilers. Lamonica was acquired via trade from Buffalo. Stabler was drafted. Plunkett came in off of the scrap heap to back up Pastorini (and quite frankly we got lucky with that one. Nothing he’d done in his pro career up until then indicated the type of success he would have.)Pretty sure Gruden was behind Gannon coming here.
So yes, Davis only drafted one capable starter. Unless Pryor works out, of course.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
JFB, If I was a GM,I would never use a first round pick on a running back, as much as I admire them. Build the OL and the front 7.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
As far as Palmer’s age; I wonder if anyone realizes he’s two years younger than Tom Brady?
January 28th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Palmer = Probowler next season
January 28th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
The worst on that list for why we don’t have any picks is Taiwan Jones.
Not that he is THAT bad, but I highly doubt we needed to move up to get him.
He wasn’t invited to the combine and had only a handful of teams attend his pro Day.
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I don’t know Vegas. Maybe you’re right but I don’t think so.
I can see us letting Bush go and keeping Taiwan.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Palmer = Probowler next season
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Wouldn’t shock me. Especially if Moore keeps developing instead of plateauing after their first year like our other 1st round WR draft picks recently that looked like they had good upside and then kind of peaked quick.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
raider duck, i would only take seymore back as a part-time player. i disagree on onre thing , when we played the patriots had them pinned on the two yard line ,at the beginning of the game seymore got a roughing the passer when we had them for a delay of game. thats not frustration it’s stupid .
my poiont in my comment is we need a stong young stud at d-tackle.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
edward teach Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
84.Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER, I think the only one of those QB picks that was made by AD was Lamonica.
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Blanda was picked up after he was cut by the Oilers.
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That’s right.
And Plunkett was “found” after the whiners dumped him.
The word “found” is the operative word. It doesn’t matter WHERE you find them.
Al Davis found them.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Sorry…our other recent draft picks (not 1st round)
January 28th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
space man spiff Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
My point in my comment is we need a strong young stud at d-tackle.
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No problem. Move Lamarr Houston inside to his natural position. Problem solved!
January 28th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
wow. Corky just reverted to his college days when throwing pasta against the kitchen wall to see what stuck gave plausibility to a meal.
Reggie and Dennis are on the case. Bad acts and perps will be excised.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
JFB, If I was a GM,I would never use a first round pick on a running back, as much as I admire them. Build the OL and the front 7.
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I heard an intersting point made by a college recruiting “analyst” on the Herd show one time.
Basically, kids don’t want to be RB’s anymore. They realize they don’t last long, and get paid way less.
Kids that used to want to be RB’s, want to be WR’s and DB’s, and have reality shows and make Nnamdi money.
I think you will see the talent pool dry up in this passing “phase” we now have in the NFL for RB’s.
And last year there was 1 RB taken in the 1st round, and I only think there will be 1 this year as well.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Not criticizing him, England. In his prime he did have a knack for finding players.
He also “found” quite a few stinkers though, and his misses at the QB position are almost legendary.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
I see Taiwan as another one of those poor souls that just can’t stay healthy. He has talent but if he is injured, what good is he?
January 28th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Taiwan should have been broken in and utilized after DMAC went down. But noooooooo……Hue’s play calling, after opponents adapted and defensed Bush making him into an ordinary back, consisted of 1st down, Bush up the middle for 2 yds, 2nd down pass to DHB, dropped, 3rd down, Bush up the middle for no gain, 4th down, punt.
Now, we have no idea as to Taiwan’s potential.
Go figure.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
M,
Throwing pasta against the cupboards to see if it sticks or not, is a valuable process in the macaroni-making process.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Vegas
LOL!
January 28th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Seems like the training room has been way too comfortable of a place to be as a Raider over the last few years.
I hope McKenzie makes it point to walk through the training rooms during practice with a clipboard, taking notes, even if he is pretending.
You had guys like Jones and Ford, who actually went on the fkn record saying they wouldn’t play unless they were 100%.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
edward teach Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
He also “found” quite a few stinkers though, and his misses at the QB position are almost legendary.
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Eldridge Dickey (although this was a symptom of the “Black QB” syndrome that infected even Al — the Broncos had a similar situation with Marlon Briscoe)
Dan Pastorini
Marc Wilson
Rusty Hilger (REALLY HYPED by the Raiders PR department, then shelved after one or two starts, never to be seen again)
Jay Schroeder (except for one good year)
Todd “The Vegan Cokehead” Marinovich
Kerry Collins
JaWalrus
January 28th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Saunders knows how to use a tight end. Now that Hue is gone the TE game in the middle of the field will be more likely. I really liked the diversity of options we had last season when/if everyone was healthy. I think two ace backs are a must, and Bush did too little at the end of the season to think he could electrify at the end of next season. MLynch wanted to be a Raider coming out of Cal. We also need a cagy, fearless vet WR (cough, Hagans, cough) who can team up with Boss to get the short game consistent again. Reese is a stud on the screen with some blockers. Lose Housh, and move on from Glass and Murphy. Retain Wiz and Wylie if possible. Move lil Wiz to C so he can get comfortable.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Oops! Forgot Jeff “Throw for a million yards and still lose” George as well.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
his misses at the QB position are almost legendary.
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For sure ET.
Jeff George still sticks in my craw.
Al did OK with QB’s if you don’t include Russell.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Jeff George held almost every single season Raider record, until Gannon broke them all, during the 97 season when we went 4-12.
Nobody loved a prevent defense like George.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Jeff George held almost every single season Raider record, until Gannon broke them all, during the 97 season when we went 4-12.
Nobody loved a prevent defense like George.
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He was the football version of Orlando Woolridge — mediocre when it counts, but then brilliant in garbage time against defenses that no longer cared.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Will be curious to see if Wiz plays C or not next season.
I am not sure if he is a great center prospect, but I think he can be a Pro Bowl guard.
Remember, he played only one, 11 game season, at Center in college.
He still doesn’t even have 16 career games at center, in his entire life!!
January 28th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
31.Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
JFB, absolutely, if you are going to be a contender you have to own the fourth quarter. It is a reflection of your game plan and the intensity of your players.
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I totally agree with this.
Coaches HAVE to be able to make adjustments in the 2nd half. That’s when the chess game begins and the better coach will win.
How many games did the Raiders go without scoring in the 2nd half? I know I’m beating a dead horse and preaching to the choir but you guys are absolutely right…I’m tired of watching my team get out coached.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
120.RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Jeff George held almost every single season Raider record, until Gannon broke them all, during the 97 season when we went 4-12.
Nobody loved a prevent defense like George.
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He was the football version of Orlando Woolridge — mediocre when it counts, but then brilliant in garbage time against defenses that no longer cared.
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LOL!
Isn’t that the truth.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Will be curious to see if Wiz plays C or not next season.
I am not sure if he is a great center prospect, but I think he can be a Pro Bowl guard.
Remember, he played only one, 11 game season, at Center in college.
He still doesn’t even have 16 career games at center, in his entire life!!
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He had one start at Center for us last year, and he and Heyer (at LG) totally controlled the middle during that first Charger game.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Orlando Woolridge, lol.
I love the crossover-sport analogies!!!
January 28th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
ggraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
I don’t understand writing off Palmer as past his peak.
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It’s ridiculous. As Edward Teach says Brady is a three years older and he seems fine. We should be able to get 6 to 7 years out of this guy. You should hear how some of you guys sound:
1) Carson Palmer has to deliver the goods. He has played like a guy on the downside of his career.
Actually Carson Palmer had QB rating of over a hundred in two of his last three starts. Games the Raiders had to win.
2) Is Carson Palmer worth $11.5MM?
Considering Peyton Manning and Mike Vick each earned over $20mm, Mark Sanchez $14mm and Matt Stafford $12mm, yeah, I would say Palmer is worth $11mm.
3) I think the counter is that Eli seems to be getting better, while Palmer has plateued, if not receeded a little.
The NYG are a franchise that cares about winning. They traded up to get Manning and then put Manning in a position to utilize his talents. Palmer was drafted by a franchise that does not give a fukk. Think that makes a difference?
4) Do you guys realize how hard it is to find a franchise QB?
Apparently not. When you think that Tavaris Jackson was a 2nd rounder, Charlie Whitehurst was a 3rd, Josh Freeman and Rex Grossman were lst rounders, to pay a lst and a 2nd for Palmer is a bargain.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Two stupid moves before the season even started:
1. Cut Sterling Moore
2. Cut Hagan
There were others. But those two I was pissed at when they happened and still seem stupid now.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Guys, Eli Manning has two hot shot WRs that are real #1 WRs. We have a few raw guys who were injured or often playing up and down like they’re 1st or 2nd year players. Not quite the same thing to throw to.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Two stupid moves before the season even started:
1. Cut Sterling Moore
2. Cut Hagan
There were others. But those two I was pissed at when they happened and still seem stupid now.
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Losing Hagan was a big yawn. OK backup wideouts are a dime a dozen. Losing Sterling Moore stings, though.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Hagan was a dime-a-dozen WR, but he happened to be the one that we had that was consistant and would catch everything going his way. When we cut him we didn’t get another WR like that and were missing it – especially when Moore and Ford were hurt.
January 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Bottom line is Palmer came in cold of the couch, he played good if not great at times, considering the facts, lets see what he does with an offseason before we talk about cutting him or trading him for peanuts.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Hagan was the best gunner on punt returns I seen us have in awhile and we gave up two punt returns for TD’s this year (one the opening week when Hue made him inactive and another later in the year after we ditched him).
I didn’t think it was a big deal as a WR, but I liked him as a core ST coverage guy. And of course TJ Houshwhatever didn’t contribute on special team coverage.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
CP will never be better than you saw him this past season. He had injury issues for the Bengals then quit on them after earning over $100M in 8 seasons. Mainly, CP is past his prime: virtually immobile, non-elusive, doesn’t roll out and improvise, doesn’t scramble to avoid the rush and gain 1st downs.
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Palmer came in with no training camp, an offense in flux, and performed extremely well. If he had injury issues no one saw them here. And the way he stood in the game and got completely beaten up against Green Bay says nothing about quitting on anything. As for his mobility, neither is Peyton or Brady, and they are headed to the Hall of Fame. Not alot here in your post that is right my friend.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Bottom line is Palmer came in cold of the couch, he played good if not great at times, considering the facts, lets see what he does with an offseason before we talk about cutting him or trading him for peanuts.
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With a full offseason and training camp, he’ll be the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Steve Corkran is a stud. excellent post!
Jerry Mac = Corky from ‘Life Goes On’
January 28th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Yeah, it was really crazy actually. The weeks after the players made huge plays, showed a nose for the ball they got cut.
Moore made a key fumble and I think a key interception and then got cut.
Hagan played well on coverage and caught a bunch of balls and got cut.
Blackstone(? forgot his name) blocked a kick, won the game for us and then got cut.
Not much of an acknowledgement for those players who actually were making plays. Meanwhile players getting burned left and right were kept.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We can’t rebuild this team this coming year. We either re-load, or sell all pieces with more than 4 years of xp to the highest bidder and start with what’s left.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Bruce Davis III it was I believe.
And Al loved him and his dad (supposedly) and he blocked the kick in that emotional day in Houston.
Fck Hue!!!!
Dude was a fraud and cared nothing of Raider tradition, unless it bought him camera time.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We can’t rebuild this team this coming year. We either re-load, or sell all pieces with more than 4 years of xp to the highest bidder and start with what’s left.
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I’d prefer a full rebuild. Al would go into each season with a “Slap a coat of paint on the roster, and we’re good to go” mentality. Over time, you get a roster full of “quick fix” players. Tearing it down and building from the ground up is the sound, proven way to go.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Finding some game-changers on defense. Most of the 11 starters, as well as the key reserves, are under contract for 2012. Even so, none of those players is a bonafide impact player along the lines of a Vince Wilfork, Terrell Suggs, Patrick Willis or Justin Smith.
Several players who fit that bill are expected to be available in free agency. It’s imperative that Allen bring in a couple of those players, or risk another season in which the defense shines at times, struggles at others.
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Steve thinks we should be aggressive in free agency. I agree
hopefully Reggie doesn’t think Seymour, Kelly & Henderson are worth the $25 million they are slated to earn this upcoming season …
I think McClain, Curry & Wimbley are scheduled to rake in close to $17 mil
January 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
With a full offseason and training camp, he’ll be the best QB we’ve had since Gannon.
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I think one of the things that held Palmer back the most was Jackson’s playcalling. In one game, Palmer ended the lst half going 10 for his last 10 and racking up points. Palmer was spectacular to end the half.
The opponent got the ball to start the second half, drove and scored, and then Jackson ran it three straight times and punted. I remember thinking, why not keep the ball in Palmers hands? He is playing well. The opponent drove down and scored again. By the time Palmer threw his lst pass of the second half, almost an hour had elapsed and he cooled off. Incredibly foolish of Jackson.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pretty bad when a guy you coached with in Baltimore chooses Mike Sherman to coordinate his offense instead of you.
Pretty bad when the Ravens wanted to get rid of Cam Cameron, but couldn’t bring themselves to bring you in, even for an interview.
And then the Browns hire Brad Childress. And you don’t even get the QB coach job in Arizona.
Yeah, Hue’s gonna be missed around here.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
JFB – well, for all those Hue haters out there, it’s true that he preached one thing and did something else. From that standpoint I understand the upset.
Beginning the year he got pretty fried from the reporters questionning him after he said that he’s base his roster on the production in the preseason and then cut his two most productive players during that time.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
I’d prefer a full rebuild. Al would go into each season with a “Slap a coat of paint on the roster, and we’re good to go” mentality. Over time, you get a roster full of “quick fix” players. Tearing it down and building from the ground up is the sound, proven way to go.
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Hate to say it but I think you are 100% right. There are some pieces to build around. Seymour, Kelly, Houston, Shaughnessy, Bryant, Curry, Routt. Branch is a free agent. We need a pass rushing DE or OLB, and a run stopping ILB and we will improve greatly.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
edward teach Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Pretty bad when a guy you coached with in Baltimore chooses Mike Sherman to coordinate his offense instead of you.
Pretty bad when the Ravens wanted to get rid of Cam Cameron, but couldn’t bring themselves to bring you in, even for an interview.
And then the Browns hire Brad Childress. And you don’t even get the QB coach job in Arizona.
Yeah, Hue’s gonna be missed around here.
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The Cards QB job hasn’t been filled yet; Hue could still conceivably get it. It’s possible that he’s holding out for an OC position, but I’m not sure there are any left (other than ours, which he’s not getting).
As for Baltimore, supposedly Hue and Harbaugh hated each other by the time he left.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Have the Chiefs hired an OC yet? I believe them and the Steelers are the only two teams that still need one, oh and the Pats.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
#142. Exactly. I couldn’t understand the Save Hue mentality. I would get sooooo upset watching games primarily at Jackson. Then I put in the tape and starting watching games after the season, and got pissed off at Jackson all over again. Good riddance, we will be waaay better off.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Sounds like Hue may not have alot of respect around the league. If that is true I’m glad Mark D. and McKenzie were smart enough to let him go.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
I’d prefer a full rebuild. Al would go into each season with a “Slap a coat of paint on the roster, and we’re good to go” mentality. Over time, you get a roster full of “quick fix” players. Tearing it down and building from the ground up is the sound, proven way to go.
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Duck,
this isn’t popular, but it’s necessary
I’m with Duck. Remember when KC traded Tony Gonzalez for a 2nd rounder in the NEXT draft (not even the upcoming one!) and we all laughed at them?
We’re gonna have a few of those during Reggie’s first year or three and some Raider fans will be calling for his head as a result. In the long run, we’ll be better off
I’d be cool if we unloaded Seymour, Kelly, McClain & Huff this year and didn’t re-sign Branch.
ShoNasty-Houston-Bryant-Wimbley
Curry-Goethel-Groves
Routt-Giordano-Mitchell-DVD
It won’t be pretty, but it’s good enough to win the AFC West with a solid DC. Our offense will be dynamic!!
January 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
RaiderDuck,
Apparently he and Pagano didn’t get along, either.
You’re right about the Arizona job. I guess I just figured that it would be a slam-dunk for an ex-head coach to get that gig and when it didn’t happen within a few days I thought that meant he was no longer being considered.
I think you have it right about remaining OC jobs also, although I think ours is probably filled and we just don’t know who it is yet.
I wonder if Herrera’s the guy that determines how and when information gets released (it would explain a lot), or if it’s Reggie?
January 28th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Oh yeah, pats got Josh
January 28th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
As Vegas wrote ~ 10 days ago, HueJack made his bed etc.
poor SOB thought he had pedigree.
tomorrow – odds Vegas?
AFC will down the ball regardless of game circumstance at the 47 yard line to give Condo and Lechler and SEABASS a chance at the record-breaker.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
I think Boss, Wimbley, Huff and Curry will be asked to restructure or kick rocks.
I believe both Branch and Bush will be back, at a reasonable rate.
I think MM34 and Bruce Campbell won’t make the 53.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Bill Muir (Chiefs’ o-line coach) was hired about a week ago as their offensive coordinator.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
tomorrow – odds Vegas?
AFC will down the ball regardless of game circumstance at the 47 yard line to give Condo and Lechler and SEABASS a chance at the record-breaker.
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LOL……that would be about the only way you could get me to watch that thing.
Odds aren’t as good as you would think.
Will the AFC intentionally setup Jano for an NFL record:
7/4
January 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Vegas,
BSoup is the new Kleinsasser. Who gon’ stop him?
January 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
For what its worth, last week on NFL Network they said Hue was Talking with several teams about OC and QB coaching jobs,
January 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Reggie is going to determine who gets released, traded, drafted, & signed as free agents.
Dennis will have some input no doubt as head coach; but the final decision will be Reggie’s.
I’m sure both reggie and dennis agreed on certain moves the Raiders needed to make, during the interview.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Pats hired their guy before their last game already.
Josh McDonald
January 28th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
Sounds like Hue may not have alot of respect around the league. If that is true I’m glad Mark D. and McKenzie were smart enough to let him go.
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Ron Wolf said something in an interview about Hue’s “reputation around the league” but didn’t elaborate on it – probably because Reggie hadn’t been hired and Hue hadn’t officially been fired yet … but Wolf was pretty adamant that Hue Jackson should NOT be allowed to be involved in the Raiders GM search
January 28th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
I think either Detroit or Green Bay sign M. Bush as both need a power running back.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Vegas,
I think the odds are better than that. Players and coaches know the show in Honolulu. Crowd would love it.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Have the Chiefs hired an OC yet?
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Bill Muir is the OC in KC. Maurice Carthon is the Asst HC. Both have offensive experience. They don’t need to hire an OC.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
For what its worth, last week on NFL Network they said Hue was Talking with several teams about OC and QB coaching jobs,
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LOL
Probably floated by Hue’s agent.
I will believe it when he is hired.
I think his best bet is the college ranks, where I am sure he could get a fairly decent coaching gig (maybe Rutgers), and would actually probably be pretty good at that level.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Has anyone hired Todd Haley for anything? Him and Hue have alot in common, except Hue will most likely get paid no matter if he coaches or not.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Here’s some of our personnel issues on Defense:
DL: We have three 3-technique linemen: Houston, Seymour and Kelly. Two are playing out of position.
LB: We have an ILB playing out of position at MLB. We have two OLB’s who are great at getting upfield, but neither of them can cover to save his life.
Secondary: We have an OK FS (who may or may not be moving to CB), and two SS’s (Branch and Mitchell) who are duplicates of each other. At CB, Routt is decent but gets burned too much, and DVD and Chekwa are both raw. DVD’s way too thin.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Has anyone hired Todd Haley for anything?
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Haley is rejoining Whisenhunt in Zona is the rumour.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I can understand that younger fans were enamored with Hue. But if you can’t see that McKenzie is head and shoulders above Hue in football experience and knowledge then be sure to take an adult with you when you go to buy a used car.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Im not a huge Todd Haley fan, but it would be interesting to have the ex HC/OC from the Chiefs as our OC and The Donkeys DC as our HC. We would atleast have a leg up on two of our rivals.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
I can understand that younger fans were enamored with Hue. But if you can’t see that McKenzie is head and shoulders above Hue in football experience and knowledge then be sure to take an adult with you when you go to buy a used car.
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Reggie McKenzie’s position in Green Bay was Director of Football Ops. In other words he was involved in EVERY aspect of what the Packers were doing, day by day, week by week. You wonder if they didn’t miss his expertise game planning against the NY Giants.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I think MM34 and Bruce Campbell won’t make the 53.
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I agree. I have a hard believing that Mitchell in an NFL caliber player, and Bruce Campbell can’t even get in a preseason game. That can’t be good.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Seymour, I think it happens to every successful operation. You have good people at the top and there is a log jam of up and comming talent at the bottom.
We happen to be the beneficiaries of the log jam, finally.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I believe we won’t have as much turnover on the roster as some might think, players will no doubt have to compete in training camp to keep there job though, Nothing but good can come out of that.
January 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
No ones job is safe
January 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
I’ll go out on a limb and predict that, in the long run, Dennis Allen will be a better coach than the Niners Harbaugh. Just a gut feeling.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
No ones job is safe
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G O O D .
January 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I think MM34 and Bruce Campbell won’t make the 53.
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I agree. I have a hard believing that Mitchell in an NFL caliber player, and Bruce Campbell can’t even get in a preseason game. That can’t be good.
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Both project players from the Davis era. Campbell and MM in the same boat.
Both came in to the League needing alot of polish and experience and both missed our shortened pre season with knee injury.
MM34 could develop into the real deal but not enuff at all on B Campbell to say.
Reg may clean house on most Al Davis guys. Thats just my feeling.
Just hate the idea of detonating a team that was cloer than we’ve been in a long time and missing a few key peices because Reggie and Mark want to destroy Al’s Legacy.
While I’m at it, Steve’s complete bias toward Hue Jax (justified or not) is really really off putting.
Not that it exists anymore aside from Jerry Mac but some professionalism in journalism would be wlecome and is sorely missed
January 28th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I believe we won’t have as much turnover on the roster as some might think, players will no doubt have to compete in training camp to keep there job though, Nothing but good can come out of that.
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I have the tendency to agree. I think we need a pass rusher, some more DL depth and maybe move Curry inside, get some better DB play and we will be fine.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Twocents Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Seymour, I think it happens to every successful operation. You have good people at the top and there is a log jam of up and comming talent at the bottom.
We happen to be the beneficiaries of the log jam, finally.
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A log jam of up and coming talent drafted by…AL Davis
January 28th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I think MM34 and Bruce Campbell won’t make the 53.
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I agree. I have a hard believing that Mitchell in an NFL caliber player, and Bruce Campbell can’t even get in a preseason game. That can’t be good.
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Reg may clean house on most Al Davis guys. That’s just my feeling.
Just hate the idea of detonating a team that was closer than we’ve been in a long time and missing a few key pieces because Reggie and Mark want to destroy Al’s Legacy.
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They don’t want to “destroy” anything. They just want to win.
As currently constructed, even with a competent DC (which we haven’t had since Willie Shaw’s first season), this team’s absolute pie-in-the-sky upper limit was probably 12-4 (in a very weak division) and a playoff win. 10-6 and a first-round buttkicking was probably closer to a realistic top end.
Nice, but not a Lombardi Trophy, and this team had too many mismatched parts and not enough guts or football smarts to do any better.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Also did not like the way Mark and especially Reggie blasted the Palmer deal right out the gate.
Seems like they hate the Palmer deal because of the “loss” of picks and they’re not sold on Palmer. Thats a joke.
Theres no one better in FA. Palmers the best QB since Gannon and to alienate him at your opening presser is short sighted at best and poor business at worst.
I for one do not like the new GM destroying everything to build his own vision.
He has experience with GB yes but he is a rookie GM and has zero regard for anything that came b4.
Far as I’m concerned he has to win and win NOW. Far as he and Mark are concerned, they have 5 years to build something.
Meanwhile we’ve been waiting 8 loooong years and seemed closer than we have been in a long time.
At least Al played to win every year.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Offensively, with Carson Palmer, Dmac, our wide recievers, we are really just a couple of OL players and a solid TE away from being very very good on O. We should be able to compete fairly quickly.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
“At least Al played to win every year.”
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Put aside all the questions about players, coaches, and trades, and you are left with this question. WIll the team be in a rebuilding mode for 5 years, therefore having 5 years of expected middle of the pack results? Or will we, as stated above, “play to win every year”.
I think this question goes a long way with what will happen here in the next few months.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
180. Disagree. The whole reason Reggie was brought in was to rebuild.
12-4 and the play offs not good enuff for you after 8 yrs of crap? Whatever Duck. You;ve lost me there and also disagree, complete destruction of Al Davi’s legacy and way is EXACTLY why Reggie was brought here.
“They just want to win”?
BS.
If that was the case they’d've kept Hue Jax and rode with the most talented Raider team asembled in decades. Instead theres talk of gutting, hiring a rookie HC with zero experience other than one yr at DC for below average D.
Reg himself bishes about the Palmer trade cuz he “likes his picks” meaning he wants to build his team his way thru the draft. To me that means rebuild and the long haul not lets shore up and win with what we’ve got now while the irons hot.
It means “I want to win but I want to do it my way” which is a very Al Davis thing to do whether they like it or not.
All speculation at this point so we;ll have to see. Just want my team to WIN.
I’ll tip my hat if we do but “my gut” tells me its going to be more loooong years of suffering.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Instead of unity Oakland has the same ole divide.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Also did not like the way Mark and especially Reggie blasted the Palmer deal right out the gate.
Seems like they hate the Palmer deal because of the “loss” of picks and they’re not sold on Palmer. Thats a joke.
Theres no one better in FA. Palmers the best QB since Gannon and to alienate him at your opening presser is short sighted at best and poor business at worst.
I for one do not like the new GM destroying everything to build his own vision.
He has experience with GB yes but he is a rookie GM and has zero regard for anything that came b4.
Far as I’m concerned he has to win and win NOW. Far as he and Mark are concerned, they have 5 years to build something.
Meanwhile we’ve been waiting 8 loooong years and seemed closer than we have been in a long time.
At least Al played to win every year.
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Reggie does hate the Palmer, and I understand why. Good player, but Hue WAY overpaid for him.
And yes, Al “played to win” every year, and that was the problem. Towards the end of his life, he didn’t want to do the necessary building that all championship contenders do. It was always quick fix this and slap a patch over that. The result: the mismatched parts we now have on our roster.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
*Reggie does hate the Palmer TRADE, that is.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Either way, Palmer is 32, past his prime and slated to earn $11.5 million in 2012. The easy move would be to keep Palmer and hope Palmer performs at a higher level with the benefit of an entire offseason with the Raiders.
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How is it, Palmer is “past his prime”, yet he passed for more yardage than Rich Gannon did, and he led the Raiders to a SB at age 37 – this is the same team that had Blanda come in at 43 and Rice come in at 40…..
January 28th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
It means “I want to win but I want to do it my way” which is a very Al Davis thing to do whether they like it or not.
All speculation at this point so we;ll have to see. Just want my team to WIN.
I’ll tip my hat if we do but “my gut” tells me its going to be more loooong years of suffering.
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Hue Jack City ran his mouth and didnt back it up, so the pressure is now on McKenzie to do the same. As Raider Duck said; the mismatched parts are the results of quick fixes and bad drafts and even worse trades. Reggie Mac’s thing is rebuild the scouting and personnel thing – so that decision to release Sterling Moore will never happen again.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
180. Disagree. The whole reason Reggie was brought in was to rebuild.
12-4 and the play offs not good enuff for you after 8 yrs of crap? Whatever Duck. You;ve lost me there and also disagree, complete destruction of Al Davi’s legacy and way is EXACTLY why Reggie was brought here.
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OK. Define for me “Al Davis’ legacy.” Go ahead. I’d love to hear it. I’d also love to hear exactly what’s so terrible about Reggie wanting to rebuild the team the right way.
And I said 12-4 and a playoff win was the absolute pie-in-the-sky, every-single-break-for-the-entire-year-goes-our-way result. 10-6 and losing our playoff game by 20+ points was more realistic.
And no, that’s not acceptable to me. That it might be acceptable to ANYONE here speaks to how much our expectations were destroyed over the last decade.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Palmer has at least 4 good years left in him. He will be fine once he has an off season and training camp with the Raiders.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I think MM34 and Bruce Campbell won’t make the 53.
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I agree. I have a hard believing that Mitchell in an NFL caliber player, and Bruce Campbell can’t even get in a preseason game. That can’t be good.
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I have hard time believing that statement seeing Mitchell defend a would be TD pass to Jermichael Finley PERFECTLY up at Lambeau…he also flashed vs. San Diego. Agree on the Bruce Campbell commentary – play em and see what he’s got or get him out of here….i would look carefully, because the Raiders “missed” on Jared Gaither…. I always had the feeling he was “injured” because KC was a bad team. He went to San Diego and GOT OFF.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Also did not like the way Mark and especially Reggie blasted the Palmer deal right out the gate.
Seems like they hate the Palmer deal because of the “loss” of picks and they’re not sold on Palmer. Thats a joke.
Theres no one better in FA. Palmers the best QB since Gannon and to alienate him at your opening presser is short sighted at best and poor business at worst.
I for one do not like the new GM destroying everything to build his own vision.
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Excellent point. And for the record Steve Corkran was unable to contact Palmer with his comments on the Jackson firing, or the McKenzie hiring or the Allen hiring.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
The Raiders were not really all that close this past year. You want to call up the games that they narrowly lost? That’s fine…that’s what fans do. But what about those shaky wins? What if?
Denver – Phantom fumble by Orton
Cleveland – Went to the wire
Houston – INT in the end zone with time running out
Chicago – Hard fought victory against an offense captained by Haney
K.C – Seymour blocks TWO field goals.
The Raiders rarely went out and just handled their business….and those were games, with the exception of Houston, against pretty lousy teams.
This Raider team wasn’t all that close.
And Hue’s offense wasn’t all that great.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
And for the record Steve Corkran was unable to contact Palmer with his comments on the Jackson firing, or the McKenzie hiring or the Allen hiring.
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Which means very little as to whether Palmer likes what happened or not. I seriously doubt Palmer’s going to hold out on us, or show up and not play to the best of his ability.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Albert Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Palmer has at least 4 good years left in him. He will be fine once he has an off season and training camp with the Raiders.
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I am going to say 3 good years…the 4th will be a junk year in decline.
A team that was much closer to a Super Bowl like the Jets, Arizona or San Fran should have made the move…or a team with a very good defense like Seattle
For the Raiders, most of us knew this team had a long way to go…..those draft picks were needed to get better on the lines
January 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
The Raiders were not really all that close this past year. You want to call up the games that they narrowly lost? That’s fine…that’s what fans do. But what about those shaky wins? What if?
Denver – Phantom fumble by Orton
Cleveland – Went to the wire
Houston – INT in the end zone with time running out
Chicago – Hard fought victory against an offense captained by Haney
K.C – Seymour blocks TWO field goals.
The Raiders rarely went out and just handled their business….and those were games, with the exception of Houston, against pretty lousy teams.
This Raider team wasn’t all that close.
And Hue’s offense wasn’t all that great.
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Exactly. Good teams blow out the lesser ones. Did we have even one single blowout win this year?
January 28th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
I would have traded for Orton instead.
January 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
DMAC should be used like Sproles or Bush was used in New Orleans. Not too many touches, split him out, put him in a reverse, wild cat…there are so many ways to use this kid. He throws the ball better than Tebow as well. lol Sign Lynch or keep Bush and have them as the featured back…If DMAC doesnt understand that role, then trade him. That scenario I explained makes our backfield, one of the most dangerous in the NFL.
Bar none
Hands down
Book it
Log it
Sign it
Go Raiders!
January 28th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Oh shat, I dislike when I’m rude…
What up fella’s, hope all is well for the Nation!
January 28th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderDuck
The reality of the situation is that this team needs to be upgraded. Reggie McKenzie is not going to stake out his career on the HOPE that some of these projects make it work or that Hue Jackson is actually better than the penalities and win/loss suggest.
Al Davis went out on his terms. I respect that and hope to be able to do something similiar…if on a much lesser scale….but let’s be real…the man made mistakes.
Those mistakes have to be corrected.
And sticking with HOPE in the absence of any evidence is probably not the right way to go.
Reggie McKenzie should listen to Rockstar….a rebuild might be in order…
Certainly some salary renegotiations are in order
January 28th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
And yes, Al “played to win” every year, and that was the problem. Towards the end of his life, he didn’t want to do the necessary building that all championship contenders do. It was always quick fix this and slap a patch over that. The result: the mismatched parts we now have on our roster.
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Repectfully disagree Duck. Davis constructed, mostly thru the later half of the draft, one of the most talented Raider teams ever fielded.
Tyvon, Shaughnessy, Mike Bush, Denarius Moore, Jacoby Ford,Veldheer, Narcel Reece ect ect
That the thing about Oakland, people are always going to see the same thing completely opposite because of people with mis-info and media with grudges.
Davis gambled but even those who love Oakland and hated Davis are going to miss him whether they like it or admit it.
Me? I just want us to win and win NOW. If Reggies going to do what I think he is, the odds of that happening as oppsed to him letting Davis’ baby ride are decreased dramatically.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
197. Good team blow out lesser teams.
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Have to agree. Raiders play down to lesser competition too often. Hateful. They were injured though and the key personell lost were particularly damaging.
DMC, Tai, Ford, Moore. A team built on speed without speed.
Hue did a remarkable job all things considered but the writing was on the wall the day and probably even b4 Davis died.
Mark was probably thankful things worked the way they did with DMC sitting 9 games, McClain’s BS and constant D collapses. Otherwise firing a play off contendinf rookie coach and gutting / moving the team would’ve been a much tougher sell.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
You saw what happened to our offense w/out DMac…too easy to defense.
If his foot has healed, keep him.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
RaiderDuck
The reality of the situation is that this team needs to be upgraded. Reggie McKenzie is not going to stake out his career on the HOPE that some of these projects make it work or that Hue Jackson is actually better than the penalities and win/loss suggest.
Al Davis went out on his terms. I respect that and hope to be able to do something similiar…if on a much lesser scale….but let’s be real…the man made mistakes.
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I think you may be confusing me with some of the other posters here. I completely agree with what Reggie is doing. Nothing wrong with a step or two back if it results in 5 or 6 steps forward.
I liked Hue when he was here, less so after the late-season collapse and his feeding dirt (some true, most not) to his press agent Mike Silver. And setting an all-time NFL penalty record is NEVER acceptable.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
No team trying to get a stadium deal in either Oakland or LA has much leverage with a really bad, rebuilding team.
Don’t look for volcanic changes right away.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I haven’t read all the posts on this thread yet, so sorry if this is a repeat. Did you see that Aldon Smith of Niners was arrested for DUI?
January 28th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
here on South Beach.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:25 pm
If Wimbley, Kelly, Routt, Huff decide to play like playmakers and not a bunch of stiffs….then there won’t be “volcanic” changes.
But if these guys don’t figure it out…Reggie would be a fool to pay them…damn the salary cap.
Mario Williams went from dominant 4-3 end to dominant 3-4 outside backer.
Some players can just play……..and if you are going to get paid like Mario Williams….I don’t want to hear a single, solitary excuse!
January 28th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
206.shutdown Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
No team trying to get a stadium deal in either Oakland or LA has much leverage with a really bad, rebuilding team.
Don’t look for volcanic changes right away.
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Tell that to Billy Beane.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Man those were some boring fights.
Give me boxing any day of the week.
January 28th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Pretty funny article on the silliness of Super Bowl week.
http://espn.go.com/espn/page2/story/_/page/fleming-120126/46-things-happen-now-super-bowl
January 28th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
How old was Vince Evans his last year with the Raiders? I think he was pushing 40.
If so then Palmer is still a baby in dog years.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We can’t rebuild this team this coming year. We either re-load, or sell all pieces with more than 4 years of xp to the highest bidder and start with what’s left.
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I’d prefer a full rebuild. Al would go into each season with a “Slap a coat of paint on the roster, and we’re good to go” mentality. Over time, you get a roster full of “quick fix” players. Tearing it down and building from the ground up is the sound, proven way to go.
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So in “full rebuild” what does that entail? No current players are allowed to stay? You can’t find 53 new young players in one offseason. And why would you dump guys like Jarred Veeldher or Houston, McFaddy, Wiz, Reece and do on???
January 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
“Tell that to Billy Beane”
Yeah, but I think that’s a special case. (And I was thinking about the A’s as I wrote the post.)
January 28th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
We can’t rebuild this team this coming year. We either re-load, or sell all pieces with more than 4 years of xp to the highest bidder and start with what’s left.
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So in “full rebuild” what does that entail? No current players are allowed to stay? You can’t find 53 new young players in one offseason. And why would you dump guys like Jared Veldheer or Houston, McFaddy, Wiz, Reece and do on???
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No no no. “Full rebuild” means (to my way of thinking) that you decide on the basic scheme you’re going to use, and then over a one-to-two year period, jettison everybody who does not fit in that scheme.
For instance, if Allen decides on a 4-3 and decides McClain has no real place in a 4-3, then we dump him, even if his replacement is less talented. No more trying to fit a square peg in a round hole.
If we decide to go with a Tampa 2, then we dump the safeties and corners who can’t play it and replace them with ones who can, even if they’re not as talented. And so on.
It causes short-term pain because your talent level temporarily drops, but it can result in BIG long-term gains because when you bring in more talented players, you have a system that works, you know their place in it, and you can just plug them in.
Al’s philosophy was to take a guy who had exclusively played in a 4-3 (McClain) and blithely assume the coaches would “make it work.” In a system-oriented league, that won’t fly.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
*I meant that McClain had played exclusively in a 3-4. This blog needs an “Edit” feature.
January 28th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
CODE BLACK 2012
January 28th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Raiders announce the following.
OC – Chael Sonnen
DC – The Rock
Quality Control – Stone Cold Steve Austin
January 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Either Allen hasn’t looked real hard for staff yet or they are keeping it really quiet. Can’t believe no rumors yet on staff.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
217. I think you’re right Duck. Davis always assumed the game of football is pretty basic but physical talent ie H/W/S could NOT be learned.
I think what I;’m getting from U and people like U is that Reg is trying to install a “system” like the Pats, the Steelers and such and thats a very good idea. Daivs had a system too though and its harder to do than most think ohterwise ALL teams would simply install a system and plug and play cheaper players like NE.
Whatever Mac does it better work and work better than Davis. I just paray we don;t ahve to wait years to find out if it works or not.
Gutting the team of guys like DMC would be a mistake but thier is some house cleaning to be done but not near as bad as in recent years.
Core of a really good team here right now.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Teams like the Rams, Colts, and Dolphins have been impressive so far, quickly hiring their HCs and filling out their assistant positions with quality hires.
Teams like the Raiders and Buccaneers, have taken forever to hire their HC and in the process have missed out on quality name assistant coach hires, missed out on their first choices, had other teams deny them interviews, seen existing ones leave for other teams, and are now having to dig deeper to find people.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Either Allen hasn’t looked real hard for staff yet or they are keeping it really quiet. Can’t believe no rumors yet on staff.
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Frankly, is rookie HC Allen in any position to judge whos best for “his” system. I mean really, is it realistic to think Allen has the knowledge and experience to hire “his” coaching staff?
January 28th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
232. Davis was always late telling people his plans and making hires.
Same deal here or they’re so new at this they don’t have focus?
We’ll have to see and pray they get it right.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Wtf? Why would Allen have to decide anything about McFadden or Palmer? Corkran thinks the head coach is the fkin gm or something? Jezuz.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:33 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
wasbanned Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Either Allen hasn’t looked real hard for staff yet or they are keeping it really quiet. Can’t believe no rumors yet on staff.
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Frankly, is rookie HC Allen in any position to judge whos best for “his” system. I mean really, is it realistic to think Allen has the knowledge and experience to hire “his” coaching staff?
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I’m sure he knows his own coaching philosophy.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Palmer past his prime? LOL. Give the guy a mediocre defense and a proper training camp, then see what he can do. It took Campbell how long to get comfortable with this team? Thank you. I rest my case. Let’s give Palmer a chance before writing him off. Still hasn’t played with his starting RB either.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Wasbanned Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Either Allen hasn’t looked real hard for staff yet or they are keeping it really quiet. Can’t believe no rumors yet on staff.
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Cork’s been floating Bill Johnson’s name for DC. Shannon Sharpe on ESPN says Richard Smith. Nobody’s been mentioned for OC, which makes me think more and more that Allen will (correctly, IMHO) just keep Saunders on.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:35 pm
Cork doesn’t know squat when it comes to player evaluation. This is the same guy that claimed Boss would be a revelation here in Oakland and would easily surpass Miller’s numbers.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Yeah, I think cork is really a little clueless with his speculation, I mean reporting.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Who the hell is Bill Johnson & Richard Smith?
January 28th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Carson Palmer past his prime ?
I think so.
Why ?
It’s not his age. 32 isn’t really old for a QB.
It’s not his legs. He was never a mobile QB to begin with.
It’s his arm. His elbow, to be more precise.
Yes, he can still get the ball down field. He throws a good deep ball.
What he can’t do is throw the ball with extreme velocity or on a flat rope anymore.
He can make the throws that require having some air underneath them. No problem.
But ask him to throw a sideline out or a toss that requires extreme velocity with little or no arc – then you have a problem.
Palmer’s elbow simply can’t withstand the torque it once did. He can still get the ball to where it has to be – but it doesn’t arrive as quickly.
You’ll see Palmer throw a majestic looking long ball that travels 40+ yards in the air and think I’m crazy.
But I’m not.
To a casual observer his arm might seem fine. The difference between Palmer ‘past’ and Palmer ‘present’ is a subtle one. But it does exist. He knows it and opposing defenses know it.
Palmer still has enough arm strength to succeed. He’s still better than a bum like Jason Campbell. Indeed, his floor is still higher than many other QB’s ceilings.
But he is past his prime.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
It’s a good sign for Pryor, seeing as Corkran has absolutely trashed him repeatedly in the chats.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
Past his prime Palmer=best qb since gannon.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
I found Richard Smith…
I say hell no. Looks like Robo Rob part 2
January 28th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Wasbanned Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Who the hell is Bill Johnson & Richard Smith?
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Two of Allen’s position coaches in Denver. Smith’s been a DC before; he wasn’t very good, but it’ll be Allen’s defense all the way, so it doesn’t matter.
Johnson was (IIRC) Allen’s position coach at Texas A@M and then coached with him at bunch of Allen’s other stops. It’s kind of like Parcells & Belichick (in the early years) or Ray Rhodes & Emmitt Thomas: good friends who enjoy coaching together, and usually do a good job.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
#234 = keepin’ it real
January 28th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Let’s trade our best player to recoup some draft picks who will likely be busts anyhow ….deereeereeerr I’m corky!
January 28th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I hope McKenzie doesn’t get overwhelmed over not having many draft picks to the point where he makes a rash decision on a trade. Keep McFadden, even if he doesn’t stay healthy, I’ll take a part time explosive defensive headache of a RB any day over whatever they can get for him in a trade. Rather have a Bush full time or a McFadden part time with a serviceable backup? I’ll take the latter.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
Ha! Looks like we were on the same page, Dakota. Trading DMAC would be a mistake.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
46.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Everyone should buckle their seat belts.
The Raiders have a cap problem.
In addition they also have a “play to your pay” problem as well.
There will be some surprising “to a few” roster moves this offseason.
No doubt.
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Cork has stated numerous times Raiders do not have cap problems. If Reggie wants players we can get ‘em. It may take some creativity, but they can get the guys they want.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Reality,
It would be a tragic mistake. You do not give up on spectacular talent so easily. Closest thing to Bo we have had in 20 years and idiots want to trade him for some average player we get in the 2nd or 3rd round?
Really? Fkin idiotic.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Palmer still has enough arm strength to succeed. He’s still better than a bum like Jason Campbell. Indeed, his floor is still higher than many other QB’s ceilings.
But he is past his prime.
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JC is a BUM?
C’mon. He is 13-7 as a starter for the Raiders.
I like Palmer better, but I don’t feel like I have to hate on JC.
So many glass half empty posts around here.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
Cap figures can be worked around and massaged. That said, say goodbye to the captain of the overrated crew, Stan Routt. What a piece of grossly overpaid dung. We let Nnamdi go due to price and proceed to pay Routt about the same amount and 3 times his worth. Yeah, that made a lot of sense.
January 28th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
#239 is on the ball.
The salary cap Reggie has inherited is a bit woeful. The roster is wasteful. Imo Reggie absolutely trades as many players away as he can for draft picks and cheaper but better FAs. I’m not going to criticize Reggie if/when he does that, including possible Palmer/McFadden trades.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
You cannot continue to look at everything in the prism of “best player/record/coach since whenever”
Team is under new management. Therefore, the ceiling is much higher.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
mistake.
241.djohnnyg Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
46.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Everyone should buckle their seat belts.
The Raiders have a cap problem.
In addition they also have a “play to your pay” problem as well.
There will be some surprising “to a few” roster moves this offseason.
No doubt.
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Cork has stated numerous times Raiders do not have cap problems. If Reggie wants players we can get ‘em. It may take some creativity, but they can get the guys they want.
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They don’t have a cap problem if they take action.
But they cannot keep these players..performing at the level they are performing at…and make the team better.
Primarily the defense….you cannot pay Wimbley, Kelly, Routt, Huff AND Seymour’s big bloated contract…unless you are satisfied with their play.
They are paid as much or more than guys like Wilfork and Ed Reed….talents like DeMarcus Ware and Derrel Revis.
Its unacceptable to pay all these guys for what they are capable of.
So yes, there is a cap problem if the current roster is to stay in tact and you want to improve the team
January 28th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
I never liked the Palmer deal….but..the Raiders will have to roll with him. The best they would get is probably a 2nd rounder….letting him go exposes you at QB in the short term.
Palmer is a good QB…but he’s no game change and he ain’t no Brees, Manning, Brady, Rogers.
Hopefully Palmer can give the Raiders more seviceable years at a high level than our past 1st round pick Richard Seymour
January 28th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Here’s a simple example…
If you could trade Palmer for a 1st and 2nd to a team that missed out in the draft on getting a QB, and in the process relieve your team of an $11m cap hit, and bring back JC on a 2 year contract for a lot less, and from those picks now be in a good position to trade down the first for extra 2’s and 3’s from which you can now draft a bunch of defensive players, why wouldn’t you do that? And, it could get more obvious if you secretly know that Palmer is unhappy with the Hue firing and doesn’t want to be here anymore.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
JC is a BUM?
C’mon. He is 13-7 as a starter for the Raiders.
I like Palmer better, but I don’t feel like I have to hate on JC.
So many glass half empty posts around here.
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Yes, JC is a BUM.
A scrub.
A bottom tier QB.
That’s not hate. That’s reality.
A reality that will be proven at his next stop, wherever that might be, if there is one.
JC has the right attitude. He’s a very good teammate.
He’s just a lousy QB.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
if jason campbell is a lousy q.b. then what is kyle boller ? what is john skelton . i wish i could be in the n.f.l. with j campbells skills . id think i was great .
January 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
RAIDERMAN99 Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
JC is a BUM?
C’mon. He is 13-7 as a starter for the Raiders.
I like Palmer better, but I don’t feel like I have to hate on JC.
So many glass half empty posts around here.
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Yes, JC is a BUM.
A scrub.
A bottom tier QB.
That’s not hate. That’s reality.
A reality that will be proven at his next stop, wherever that might be, if there is one.
JC has the right attitude. He’s a very good teammate.
He’s just a lousy QB.
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He’s a bottom-tier starting QB. He’d be a deluxe backup.
I’ll say what I said a year ago: Jason Campbell is this generation’s Chris Chandler or Steve DeBerg. He is an adequate, respectable starting QB but no more. You can win with him (if not because of him), but you’ll always be looking for a long-term solution.
Campbell will be starting next year. Seattle, Denver, Jacksonville, Miami, Washington and Cleveland would all see an upgrade with him at QB. Will any of them view him as the long-term solution? No. He’s a hard worker, good game manager and adequate thrower. On the other hand, his passes lack zip, he takes too long to go through his reads, and doesn’t react well to pressure. Teammates like him, but don’t necessarily respect him. Opponents respect him, but don’t fear him.
Was he a huge improvement over anybody we had two years ago? YES. Is he as good as even a slightly over-the-hill Palmer? NO WAY.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
As for the other hot topic that continually comes up here…
Trade DMAC ?
Hell NO.
You don’t trade your BEST player.
And that’s what DMAC is when he’s right.
It’s not even close.
I’ll take the potential of DMAC getting healthy and staying on the field enough to be a difference maker over that of a 2nd round pick or whatever he might fetch in a trade.
You keep great players.
You discard garbage.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
complaining about palmer is like when the grizzlies fans in memphis were complaining about how soft pau gasol was when the grizz were winning 50 games a season . like , we had horrid qbs. palmer can really play. lets be thankful .
January 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
& stop complaining about how slow rolando mcclain is. thats the least of his issues. u think rob ninkovich is fast ? u actually believe brian urlacher is a sprinter ? these big cerebral white boy linebackers couldnt outrun rolando mcclain. oh no. they watch film and they fundamentally learn how to tackle & how to shed blocks. they learn the tendencies of the team their facing . rolando mclain is fast enough to be effective .
January 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
#252,
Excellent post.
JC is a super-backup QB, unfortunately he will never get to the Superbowl as a starter.
Anytime a guy’s bottom lip hangs down to his knees…..there will always be questions.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
RAIDERMAN99, #253
McGlassfeet, is not the Raiders’ best player. At this point it is a toss-up between Moore, Veldeer, and Wiz.
He won’t stay healthy, and can’t stay healthy, that’s been proven. Sure, admittedly he can right through bottom tier losing teams, but when faced with top tier teams he is average at best.
Trade him before trips in his house and is IR’d the entire next season.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
RAIDERMAN99, #253
Also, dump sub-moron McClain…..yesssss!
January 28th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
doriangray, #55,
and your point is ???? underperformance is your man’s signature; whether he is slow or untalented, we know he is dumb. Need I say more ? (last time I did I was banned from the blog and my regular screenname de-activated.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
new york giants really wanted mclain in the draft . so did the broncos. wonder how well hed be doing with those teams. maybe hes just a moron that cant be coached, but maybe the raiders need good linebackers coachs .
January 28th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Dorian, I really can’t go there following through with this discussion because if I do I might be permanently deleted from this blog as I was after Corky put out the “Respectful” warning.
It is safe to say McClain is heading south in heaps of trouble. He should really, really, save every nickle he can because he’ll be out of the league soon, even if he is not convicted over the “incident.”
January 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
#252,
Excellent post.
JC is a super-backup QB, unfortunately he will never get to the Superbowl as a starter.
Anytime a guy’s bottom lip hangs down to his knees…..there will always be questions.
Real Talk Hardline my G it seems you are on to something. This type if QB you describe, the ones with Lips that hang to the knees, don’t seem to be good enough. It seems there is some correlation between large hanging lips and brain size and thinking ability and awareness and smarts in general. but it does seem they can run fast and talk alot.
What do you think is the common denominator?
January 28th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
lol ok hardline . i truly understand that fans are tired of athletes being (ridiculously immature) just want 2 be patient & see if the very young linebacker can thrive with new teammates , coaches, system …
January 28th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
What gets me is that McClain, in college, was a team leader. He had a rep as a film junkie. When we drafted him, he called Alameda the day after and asked to be sent a playbook and some DVDs of our formations, so he could learn everything before the first OTA (held one week after the draft). The coaches mentioned how he’d memorized everything, and they didn’t have to correct him like you’d normally correct a rookie MLB.
What happened??? Was it just the money, or something else?
January 28th, 2012 at 10:55 pm
Don’t y’all think Palmer felt additional pressure to be a playmaker (I.E; forced throws) because of the faulty defense, no DMAC in the backfield & incessant injuries @ the WR position? At one point Louis (lost my balls along with the Viagra) Murphy was their biggest downfield threat? Don’t y’all think with an even better Oline, a respectable defense & steady improvement with a relatively healthy WR corps and two healthy RB’s will allow him to take what is given & not force the action?
When is the last time you saw a Raider QB with not only the strong arm of Carson Palmer but big time arm talent (don’t make me explain that one; the first person NOT to understand “arm talent” has to leave this blog; permanently; and NEVER address my comments again!)?
Figure it out, folks; evolve & become a somewhat competent Raider fan. . .
January 28th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
the money , the skanks, the pure marijuanna , the ( friends) , the guns.. when i was in atlanta years ago i was at club 152 and up pulls mike vick with 4 black bentleys.. i was thinking in my head ” this guy is too much, he just doesnt get it ” . it took jail for vick to see that football is a blessing for him . rolando is caught up in it all like many youngstas,.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
John Tweedy, #262
Can’t say on here what the common denominator is Tweedy; I have been kicked out once for being “disrespectful”; I don’t want to be outright banned.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
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He’s a bottom-tier starting QB. He’d be a deluxe backup.
I’ll say what I said a year ago: Jason Campbell is this generation’s Chris Chandler or Steve DeBerg. He is an adequate, respectable starting QB but no more. You can win with him (if not because of him), but you’ll always be looking for a long-term solution.
Campbell will be starting next year. Seattle, Denver, Jacksonville, Miami, Washington and Cleveland would all see an upgrade with him at QB. Will any of them view him as the long-term solution? No. He’s a hard worker, good game manager and adequate thrower. On the other hand, his passes lack zip, he takes too long to go through his reads, and doesn’t react well to pressure. Teammates like him, but don’t necessarily respect him. Opponents respect him, but don’t fear him.
Was he a huge improvement over anybody we had two years ago? YES. Is he as good as even a slightly over-the-hill Palmer? NO WAY.
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I agree with everything you said right there, I just don’t believe JC is a “bum”. Seems real harsh for a guy who did his best with the talent he has.
“Bum” compared to Brady, Manning (Eli, Peyton take your pick)or even Rivers? Okay fine.
As far as Palmer goes? Who could we possibly get that would be better for next season?
Unless we can get some first rounder as our future franchise QB than we roll with him as noted above.
We could do much worse.
He deserves a break as far as his performance goes when he sat on a couch for half the season and then gets thrown into a new team, with a new playbook he had to learn on the fly, and the one receiver he “bonds” with gets injured?
Let’s see what this former Heisman winning Pro Bowler can do with a full off season.
January 28th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
What gets me is that McClain, in college, was a team leader. He had a rep as a film junkie. When we drafted him, he called Alameda the day after and asked to be sent a playbook and some DVDs of our formations, so he could learn everything before the first OTA (held one week after the draft). The coaches mentioned how he’d memorized everything, and they didn’t have to correct him like you’d normally correct a rookie MLB.
What happened??? Was it just the money, or something else?
Real Talk Ducksky G I be thinkin the prob with my home boy JaRando Mcsmallbrain is more genetic than anything Real Talk and the Boy is just that a Boy
January 28th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
doriangray, 263
Fair enough my man, fair enough…..
January 28th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
palmer probably the most talented raider q.b. ever . but thats how he plays antipsy , he thorws to outside recievers , he trusts in his arm to a fault . i say we trade bush and draft a rookie or get somebody like sammy morris to share with dmac.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
ROMAC has more whiffs than Adam Dunn. . .he has to get a battery of personal trainers & reinvent his body. . .runs like he’s in quicksand & is a guess hitter like Jeff Kent. . .
Whiff king with a bullett. . .
January 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
John Tweedy, #269:
Maybe the common demoninator is purple drank. Those southern boys love it and it did seem to set JaMarcus back.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Right on Right no Hardline what was da handle back in that day?
January 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
djohnnyg #268
I don’t see how we trade CP and hope for the playoffs next season. JC is not a “bum” his talent is just less, more like Alex Smith, game manager type.
If we go with Pryor next season he’ll be in over his head. Nothing wrong with CP as a bridge until the franchise QB is found. We dont have the money to waste just releasing CP.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Doriangray Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
palmer probably the most talented raider q.b. ever . but thats how he plays antipsy , he thorws to outside recievers , he trusts in his arm to a fault . i say we trade bush and draft a rookie or get somebody like sammy morris to share with dmac.
Real Talk Dr Gray can’t trade what is not yours. Bush is a FA
Real Talk
January 28th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
John Tweedy, #274,
I’ll tell you another time Tweedy; I know my posts are being watched.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
John Tweedy, #269:
Maybe the common demoninator is purple drank. Those southern boys love it and it did seem to set JaMarcus back.
I’m sorry, did you say Purple Lips or purple drank or purple Kush or all of the above?
January 28th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
johntweedy go round yonder & check your methlab now ya hear ? make sure your cousin/girlfriend didnt set the temp too high . but , real talk , sign & trade is a posibility in the n.f.l. if im not mistaken ..
January 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
John Tweedy, #274,
I’ll tell you another time Tweedy; I know my posts are being watched.
I can get that 00
January 28th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
Don’t be mad cause I corrected you Dr Quinn. It shows lack of confidence.
And 00 it’s Black
January 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
John Tweedy, #276
Not sure how Doriangray came up with the line, “palmer probably the most talented raider q.b. ever.”
If I said it once I said it 100 times: CP will never play better than he did this past season. He’s over his prime; he had injury issues and quit on the Bengals after earning over $100M in 8 seasons from them; he’s almost totally immobile in the pocket, can’t scramble or evade the rush, thus his high number of INTs and fumbles.
If he is so elite why did no other team pick him up? one thing is that his acquisition commanded an $11M salary which is not only ridiculour but assinine.
It was the greatest trade ever, for sure, but only for Palmer and Bengals.
I have a saying, “if you lack intelligence, use common sense and logic instead.” There are a lot of guys, who, if they did the opposite of their first instinct or impluse, would be way ahead in this world. That is what Hue should have done regarding CP.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
The first thing that Allen has to do, cut Palmer from this roster no matter. Cut Seymour and other no load players who keep the record in penalties. And if Allen can’t get this team into the playoffs, fire him quickly. No matter! Put Spuds neck on the line, first!
January 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
dcraiderfan,
that’s a radical line DC; I tend to agree though.
January 28th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
Man. Has any org. had more teases than the Raiders? So many potential big timers that never reached their potential.
Bo Jackson? Can u imagine what his career would’ve been like if he had played fulltime AND didn’t get injured?
Now, we have DMAC. Top rusher in the league. A gamebreaker and he always gets injured.
I’d hate to see him go somewhere else and stay healthy and rule the league.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Why did the TV show “Justified” kill off Mags Bennett?
Why did Spartacus kill off John Hannah (Batiitus)?
Why am I referencing things nobody cares about?
Why am I talking to myself?
January 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Quaterback “Classes”.
“Elite”
-Brady
-Peyton Manning *
-Philip Rivers
-Aaron Rodgers
-Eli Manning
-Drew Brees
“Sub Elite”
-Roethlisberger
-Michael Vick
“The Tweeners”
-Jay Cutler
-Tony Romo
-Carson Palmer
“Potentials/Rising Stars”
-Ryan Fitzpatrick
-Matt Moore
-Matt Stafford
-Sam Bradford
…just my opinion based on media “buzz” and observation.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:47 am
Who was on here joking about Palmer not being able to make throws on a rope anymore? That was a joke right or did you not watch some of the games he played this season?
Pretty sure there are highlights on Youtube but the Gov may send us to prison for 50 yrs if we post a link now days…
January 29th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Carson Palmer is hardly past his prime. Age wise he is only a year older than Eli Manning and two years younger than Tom Brady (the two QBs in the SB this year for those who are wondering about the comparison). Statistically if you don’t count the KC game where he was thrown to the wolves, Carson had an 87.22 passer rating which would have placed him #12 in the league slightly behind Phil Rivers. Carson is a winner and very capable of taking us to the Super Bowl.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:57 am
282. People who write off Palmer and quote the supposed inequity of the trade aren;t taking all into account. Sure, theres a new sheriff, so some of those draft picsk might’ve counted but Davi’s 1st rounders were hit and miss and took yrs to develop.
Reggie may have faired better, hard to say but Palmer, like it or not, is the best QB Oakland has had since Gannon.
Keep saying it because its true.
Who was better?
Aaron Brookes? Andrew Walters? Tuiasosopo? McKown? Culpepper? Campbell? Boller?
Not settling for a washed up QB praying for miracles and bailing wire. Palmer is legit and can post numbers Raider QBs haven’t since…Gannon.
If Reggie wants to do whats right for the team, he’ll let Palmer do his job. If Reggies more interested in selfishly building his dream project we’ll all suffer.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Carson Palmer is the PERFECT Raider QB.
Why?
Because half of you hate him.
Half of you love him.
Just like everything truly Raider. Love hate Silver and Black
January 29th, 2012 at 1:51 am
Djohnnyg Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Quaterback “Classes”.
“Elite”
-Brady
-Peyton Manning *
-Philip Rivers
-Aaron Rodgers
-Eli Manning
-Drew Brees
“Sub Elite”
-Roethlisberger
-Michael Vick
“The Tweeners”
-Jay Cutler
-Tony Romo
-Carson Palmer
“Potentials/Rising Stars”
-Ryan Fitzpatrick
-Matt Moore
-Matt Stafford
-Sam Bradford
…just my opinion based on media “buzz” and observation.
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five of that six have won rings, so that will tell you Rivers is a fraud.
Rothlisberger has won two rings, Vick is just inconsistent enough to have never quite taken the next step.
Cutler, Romo and Palmer have the numbers and ability to get to the next level but have been done in either by injury, choking in big games, or having bad coaching.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:55 am
Raider Max Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:57 am
Carson Palmer is hardly past his prime. Age wise he is only a year older than Eli Manning and two years younger than Tom Brady (the two QBs in the SB this year for those who are wondering about the comparison). Statistically if you don’t count the KC game where he was thrown to the wolves, Carson had an 87.22 passer rating which would have placed him #12 in the league slightly behind Phil Rivers. Carson is a winner and very capable of taking us to the Super Bowl.
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I agree, but he has to get the INTS down. I will say this, both Brees and Ken Stabler had rather high interception totals , but this league is so much
January 29th, 2012 at 1:59 am
Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
John Tweedy, #276
Not sure how Doriangray came up with the line, “palmer probably the most talented raider q.b. ever.”
If I said it once I said it 100 times: CP will never play better than he did this past season. He’s over his prime; he had injury issues and quit on the Bengals after earning over $100M in 8 seasons from them; he’s almost totally immobile in the pocket, can’t scramble or evade the rush, thus his high number of INTs and fumbles.
If he is so elite why did no other team pick him up? one thing is that his acquisition commanded an $11M salary which is not only ridiculour but assinine.
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They could’ve waited til they were out of the playoff run and got him for nothing, AND kept the draft picks – but what the hell would they have done with them anyw ay – THEY WERE GARBAGE at developing draft picks, and STILL ARE, quite frankly.
If they were any good, wouldn’t they have made the playoffs already with the picks they made. It just isn’t their era, and the over spent to get a decent to good QB that can win you 8 to 10 games…maybe 11-12 with an elite defense and running game.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:19 am
Pretty Simple,Gannon came to the Raiders at 34,Palmer Just turned 32,do the math,were good for 3-4 years,period.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:33 am
Carson Palmer
good – Reads the defense before the snap and adjusts, the best at this we’ve had since Gannon for sure. Displays leadership and command, his teammates believe in him. Can make most throws including the deep stuff. Not easily injured, he’s played a lot of 16 game seasons.
bad – Doesnt sense the pressure when he’s focused downfield. Not a good scrambler nor runner. Throws the ball up for grabs too much. Rarely throws the ball away, I only remember one game last year he did more than once. Holds the ball too long on passing downs. Easily tackled.
average – Fumble proneness. Throwing accuracy while scrambling. Spreading the ball around.
January 29th, 2012 at 5:19 am
The Raiders can get 3 or 4 more seasons outta Palmer … The Raiders will have time to find a Qb to groom …I don’t see McKenie or Allen Trying to dump Palmer …. Palmer came in cold last year and had the Raiders Defense even played below average they would have made the playoffs …Palmer give us time to build the team ….give him a training camp and Pre season and let’s see where we are …
January 29th, 2012 at 5:34 am
I would keep Palmer no doubt. The guy came in off his couch come on. He was thrown in a game he shouldnt have been. Boller is God awful he will not be in the NFL no more, maybe CFL. Give carson palmer a offseason OTAs and trainning camp. Then we can judge. Member when michael vick got out of prison the eagles signed him plugged him in for a couple games and he was bad! The only good game i seen was against atlanta. Gave him an offseason and look at what happens. Give Palmer time we can win a superbowl with him. Plus Palmer NEVER played with DMAC in a game one of the best RB in the league when health to take control. Bush did good but it pi$$ed me off seeing when he just ran to the 1 yrd line and falls down. He was tired im sure. In FA i want us to look at finnegan for CB. Have him and routt start have either chekwa or DVD play nickle
January 29th, 2012 at 6:00 am
298. Good post .. I don’t believe Bush got tired … I believe after all the injuries to Dmac, Moore , Reece, Ford .ect , that defenses were able to stack the box on Bush ….
January 29th, 2012 at 6:29 am
CP is still the best talent under center in over a decade. If you say anything else let me remind you;
Jason Campbell (Second best behind CP – only because everyone else is/was complete junk)
Kyle Boller (Enough said)
Bruce Gradowski (Still playing but he’s still not good))
Jamarcus Russel (Drank too much purple)
Josh McCown (McClown-as the da’ Bears found out)
Daunte Culpepper (Hands too Small, knees too weak)
Andrew Walter (With the right system could have been decent)
Aaron Brooks (Reject from another team- finally laid down like the broken never was he is)
Marques Tuiasosopo (Well like, not well played)
Rick Mirer (Who? Doesn’t seem like too many clubs liked this guy)
Rich Gannon (He was the man!)
Now tell me who is better than CP? Not one of those QB’s, not a freakin’ one! Except maybe Rich Gannon, who seems to be in Raiders lore forever. Just because we absolutely have stunk up the joint for ten years and he was last decent QB.
We have stunk and been terrible – it’s way past time for that to change. CP is starter and we better build an offense around him. Not DMy foot hurts.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:30 am
Well, it’s nice to see the board loaded with actual serious discussions about our beloved Raiders. Stopped coming by for a while because I was tired of the flame war stuff.
My (worthless) two cents.
I like CP for next year, BUT he was overbought by a long stretch AND will cost another truckload for this season. If I were manager, I’d troll the league for offers and -if I didn’t get one I loved- would have to convince myself that it was for the best. I liked Raiderbucks thinking on this BTW. CP is better than what we’ve had and will play better with practice in the O and familiarity with WRs -no doubt.
Biggest concern is the D. It’s a hellacious mess. We gave every game back at some point this season because of that lame D. Teams consistently grabbed 4-5 yards at will on the run and even when we held for a time would drop a bomb across the DBs. With almost no picks and no buying power everyone has to expect the same for this season.
I’ll be worried to death if we go 3-4. We’re not equipped for that scheme. We should be going 5-2 and 4-3 most of the time. Stop the run and let them throw under pressure! Look at NE. They have a terrible D too, just awful and they went 5-2 mid-season and won games they’d have lost otherwise. Still game points but made more plays on turnovers. Belly sees a problem he adjusts with what he has. He doesn’t keep to a crappy system.
BTW, I believe I posted 8-8 for this team pre-season as the high side. They’re in a weak division -though DEN is going to be a PIA going forward for a few years- and should have done a lot better. We have really talented gems on O, but those guys are made out of balsawood. So even an early season run means a swoon later with injuries.
We need a D, badly.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Trading DMAC is a non-starter, signing Bush is a definite necessity. Coach Allen, in order to concentrate on fixing defense must keep Al Saunders. As for the penalty problems discipline has to ingrained in these players. The draft is lost so trading players for rookies is ridiculous
January 29th, 2012 at 7:32 am
fingers Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:00 am
298. Good post .. I don’t believe Bush got tired … I believe after all the injuries to Dmac, Moore , Reece, Ford .ect , that defenses were able to stack the box on Bush ….
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Nah, Bush just wore out after one or two games starting. Our QB was still throwing deep and connecting on a lot of throws. They couldn’t stack the box. He just didn’t have the same burst or energy as when he started the first couple games after McFadden got injured.
It was my big knock on Bush. He seems to be out of shape and tire quickly.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
One observation. We’ve been run on for YEARS in this league. But this is the first year I remember our pass defense being horrendous as well.
We gave up the most touchdowns this year in the history of the Raiders in pass defense and also other dubious categories.
I think our defensive penalties were almost 2x the #2 (not sure about this but I heard it).
The question is, is this major loss the result of losing Nnamdi (as our Pass D was actually top notch while he was here)? Or putting in Brenehan as D-Coordinator?
My thinking on it is that it must be a combination of both. But I think in the league these days it’s even more important to stop the pass than to stop the run. If you can slow down these passing attacks of the better teams you’re in the game. It’s a new thought, but the game is changing.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
For those that may not have seen this; Lechler on the hiring of Dennis Allen…
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Lechler-Allen-to-take-it-to-another-leve?blockID=639794&feedID=2539
January 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Biggest concern is the D. It’s a hellacious mess. We gave every game back at some point this season because of that lame D. Teams consistently grabbed 4-5 yards at will on the run and even when we held for a time would drop a bomb across the DBs. With almost no picks and no buying power everyone has to expect the same for this season.
I’ll be worried to death if we go 3-4. We’re not equipped for that scheme. We should be going 5-2 and 4-3 most of the time. Stop the run and let them throw under pressure! Look at NE. They have a terrible D too, just awful and they went 5-2 mid-season and won games they’d have lost otherwise. Still game points but made more plays on turnovers. Belly sees a problem he adjusts with what he has. He doesn’t keep to a crappy system.
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The problem with our D is we have so many guys playing out of position on the front 7.
We have a 3-technique DT (Houston) playing DE.
We have a 3-technique DT (Kelly) playing NT.
We have two OLB’s (Wimbley and Curry) who are GREAT at getting upfield, but can’t cover anyone.
We have a 3-4 ILB (McClain) playing 4-3 MLB.
Allen and Big Mac’s first over of business should be to get rid of the mismatch parts. Dump two out of our three 3-techniques and replace them with a natural DE and a natural NT, even if they aren’t as talented. Then, as more talented replacements arrive, Allen can just plug them in.
As for McClain: If Allen determines that McClain cannot play a 4-3 MLB, then we either switch to a 3-4 or we dump him. Again, no more trying to fit a square peg in a round hole. Those days should be over.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
@AdamSchefter Adam Schefter
Not only do the Colts plan to add Bruce Arians, but Indianapolis also plans to hire former Steelers LB coach Keith Butler as its DC.
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There goes that one.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
The problem with Bush is that he isn’t very effective at running off-tackle or beating defenders to the perimeter. Once Bush was literally the only running back available to the Raiders, their playcalling became pretty limited.
One of Hue’s biggest failures was not simply finding another set of fresh legs who could do the things Bush could not.
Again, teams don’t NEED a game-changer at the running back position. They just need a group of guys who can keep the offense on schedule. Instead, they had Michael Bush in the game for nearly every offensive snap. Not a recipe for success there.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:56 am
How old was Vince Evans his last year with the Raiders? I think he was pushing 40.
If so then Palmer is still a baby in dog years.
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LOL
I remember Vince, i think it was the final game of 93 against the Redskins. Dude threw a beautiful bomb to win it in the final minute.
I have never in my life so happy for a meaningless game, cheering for a 40 y/o QB.
That was the same year Buffalo made history with that remarkable 35-7 playoff come back win with Frank Frkn Reich! The best Playoff game i have ever witnessed i think. The Oilers were completely shocked!
January 29th, 2012 at 8:09 am
YA,
That was another one of Hue’s big mistakes. He should have brought in another guy to pound the rock, but always insisted that DMC and Jones were week to week on a comeback in Dec.
I have never in my life seen a players status week to week, but never sniffed the practice field with the exception of light jogging. We also need better trainers, that whole deal was irritating.
I was laughing when Hue stated that DMC was a full go finally after we eliminated ourselves. He didn’t want to look like a fool.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:11 am
CP3 is fine at QB, period. Dude played great during our 3 game winning streak. He brought back the deep pass. Not even Gannon could throw the bomb like CP3.
He hastofix the interception issue. He really had little to no time with his WR’s plus Ford and Dmoore were hurt. Also he had no running game the last 6 weeks.
The offense for the most part is great. I would like to see us trade or dump Boss for a moe athletic pass catching TE, Jermichael Finley? Another solid Guard, Nicks from NO, I like Wiz at center, keep Samson on the bench for depth.
Smart raider fans like myself have been saying for years it’s the defense. That’s why we brought in Allen. We can get cheaper players that give better effort.not only did our D suck, but we were paying a lot of our guys WAY too much dinero.
Reggie won’t be overpaying people like AL did!!
January 29th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
For those that may not have seen this; Lechler on the hiring of Dennis Allen…
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Lechler-Allen-to-take-it-to-another-leve?blockID=639794&feedID=2539
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Interesting that we didn’t hear anyone complaining about Hue being fired the way they did about Cable. In hindsight, maybe the fuss over Cabel’s firing was due to the fact that the players just didn’t like Hue Jackson.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Can’t believe nothing has leaked out about the defensive coordinator position yet.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
It has been a while since I have been on the site but I thought I would offer my opinion on a couple of things.
First our return to some level of respectability centered on our using high draft picks for players in the box.
Veldheer,Wisnieski,Houston,Mclain have all helped. We just have not done enough of that over a long enough time frame. Skill guys can be picked up in later rounds. (Moore, Ford, Murphy etc.)
I have been saying this for years.
The great Raider teams were strong along the line of scrimmage. We are still very soft on the lines relative to what I am used to seeing having watched the Raiders since 63′
The Raiders still have terrible players on their roster relative to NFL standards. Remember Warren and Sands actually started for us on the Dline just a few short years ago.
Bryant,Henderson,Moss,Brodine,Scott all fall into this class of player. Not good and injury prone.
We are good enough in the secondary and linebacker. Defense starts on the dline. It is that simple. Until this is addressed we will not stop the run.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Lefty12 Says:
It is pretty funny that some like Steve say Palmer is past his prime,yet Eli Manning is only 1 year younger and is considered to be in the prime of his carreer.I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.
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It is even funnier that some people think all quarterbacks are going to have their prime at the same age.
Some guys hit their stride later in their careers – like Eli and Gannon. Palmer is very unlikely to ever duplicate his 2005 season again. His body of work since then suggests as much. He is most likely past his prime.
That said, Carson’s still capable of being a very good QB and should be the lead candidate for starter going into next season.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
We are good enough in the secondary and linebacker. Defense starts on the dline. It is that simple. Until this is addressed we will not stop the run.
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I too have been a Raider faN ALMOST AS LONG AS YOU HAVE. bORN IN 61 SO DO THE MATH. i AGREE WITH MOST OF YOUR POST EXCEPT FOR THE LAST PART. oUR SECONDARY AND mlb SUCK. tHEY ARE PLAYING OUT OF POSITION AND ARE BEING ASKED TO COVER RECIEVERS THAT they CAN’T KEEP UP WIth. Mc-Lame is a heartless pus.y with no desire to fill the gap or engage RB’s head on. He has potential but I believe his off fiels BS and attitude are a detriment to our team.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Jim
My point about the secondary and linebackers is that it is hard to evaluate them with a pathetic DLINE.
If you remember, Ray Lewis threatened to retire if the Ravens did not draft a real DT. They got Ngata.
Too many Olinemen get to the second level on us. No linebacker can deal with that on a regular basis.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am
McClain should be moved to SLB in passing situations, with Wimbley going to RDE.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 8:35 am
McClain should be moved to SLB in passing situations, with Wimbley going to RDE.
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McClain should be going to jail (if allegations are true). But, since it was in Alabama, he will probably get off with a slap on the wrists.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Yeah, it’ll be interesting to see how that plays out. Would definitely expect the Raiders to find a potential replacement at MLB in the meantime. Can’t wait around to find out whether or not your “defensive quarterback” is going to be incarcerated or not.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:58 am
I don’t doubt that the Raiders will find a way into the 2nd and/or 3rd round.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Guys.
All charges against McClain are misdemeanors in Alabama. He is not going to jail. Guaranteed.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Ok here’s a topic:
if you think the raiders should keep DMAC
name here:
R8dercain
If you think the raiders should trade DMAC an move on
Name here:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
They should trade DMac, but for nothing less than a 2nd rounder and another mid-round pick. Anything less wouldn’t be worthwhile, and it remains to be seen whether another team will offer that much.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:11 am
We should keep our best player!!!
We should keep the best talent on the team!
We should keep the RB who was injured 9 games and still managed 1000 yards!!!
You people are crazy!!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Correction:
He had 615 yards and not 1000.
615 yards in 7 games is still great.
He had an avg of 5.4 YPC, 19 catches for 155, and 5 TDs.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:17 am
To be the best player, you have to play in games.
Personally, I think the Raiders should focus on finding better players at positions that actually matter.
If running backs got teams to championships, the Vikings, Chargers, and Jaguars would all have Lombardi trophies.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Ok here’s a topic:
if you think the raiders should keep DMAC
name here:
R8dercain
Raider O
If you think the raiders should trade DMAC an move on
Name here:
Young American
January 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am
In passing situation, most defenses play nickel. In 4-3 scheme, there are only 2 LBs in nickel defense (usually)
MLB & WLB.
SLB is a 2 down LB in a 4-3 scheme = SLB in not on the field in passing situations.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Correction:
He had 615 yards and not 1000.
615 yards in 7 games is still great.
He had an avg of 5.4 YPC, 19 catches for 155, and 5 TDs.
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An on his way to 2000 all purpose yds something we haven’t had around
here since Charlie Garner
January 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Keep him, would be easier to let him go if we saw more out of T Jones and had Bush on the hook for another year, since we don’t, NO way we can trade DMAC.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Did Bo play a full season got us?
Was he not the best player on the team?!
You dont have to play every game to be the best player. A lot of great players get injured, or are injury prone, but that doesn’t mean they are not the best player/ talent on the team.
Injuries are part of the game.
According to your logic, Bo is not a great player since he didn’t play a full season, and he didn’t play as long as other RBs.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Jano kicks the Game winner tonight …Why not .!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:26 am
He is the reason we started 4-2!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am
I’m not happy with DMC injury record. The guy hasn’t played a full season since he was drafted, but…….:
-He wasn’t injury prone at college, and he had a lot of carries.
-He is only 24. He will be 25 next season.
-He is one of the best talents we ever drafted.
The last 15 years, we only drafted 3 players with that kind of talent IMHO:
- D Russell
- C Woodson
- DMC
January 29th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Speed + size + production = great talent.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
D Russell passed away. RIP
We let Charles go in FA
I’m not trading a great Talent on the hopes and dreams of finding something better in the draft.
That makes no sense to me.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:37 am
If you people want to trade players, then trade TK, Huff, Boss, etc…
January 29th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:31 am
I’m not happy with DMC injury record. The guy hasn’t played a full season since he was drafted, but…….:
-He wasn’t injury prone at college, and he had a lot of carries.
-He is only 24. He will be 25 next season.
-He is one of the best talents we ever drafted.
The last 15 years, we only drafted 3 players with that kind of talent IMHO:
- D Russell
- C Woodson
- DMC
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Add Leon Bender to this list.
He died before ever playing a snap
but was very talented.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:36 am
D Russell passed away. RIP
We let Charles go in FA
I’m not trading a great Talent on the hopes and dreams of finding something better in the draft.
That makes no sense to me.
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Remember that Woodson wanted out. The first year we Franchised him, he held out until the end of training camp, then signed the one-year tender.
The second year, he signed the one-year tender IMMEDIATELY, putting us some $8 Mil over the cap. Basically, he was trying to force a trade. After we restructured a TON of deals and got under the cap, he then got hurt in week 4 and missed more or less the rest of the season. So we paid $10 million for 4 or 5 games.
I can totally see why Al just let him walk the next year.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
RIP Leon Bender. He was 22, and never played a down in the NFL.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Who cares if he wasn’t injury prone in college? He is now. Foot injuries for running backs, especially lisfranc injuries, don’t just magically reverse themselves.
All McFadden has at this point is size, speed and potential. Production means seeing him in games that matter.
And even then, y’all act like McFadden is unstoppable. He’s not. Every elite defense the Raiders have played, as well as some not-so-elite defenses (2010 Texans, Colts) have shut down McFadden.
Good defenses will take the running game out of the equation. And unfortunately, if you want to make a deep playoff run, you’re going to have to beat some elite defenses.
DMac does not help the Raiders win. The Raiders would be better off with a rotation of guys who can keep the offense on schedule, rather than hoping one guy can put the rest of the team on his back.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:45 am
RIP Leon Bender. He was 22, and never played a down in the NFL.
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And Al paid for his funeral, out of his own pocket. Derrick Thomas’, too.
Al Davis could be a lot of things, but generous was definitely one of them.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
RD,
I agree about Woodson. It was time for him to get a fresh start, but great teams find ways to keep their players happy and on the roster.
Look at the Ravens, Pats, and Steelers.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Might as well keep DMAC. When he’s right he a good running back. No one is going to give up a high pick for a running back with DMAC’s injury history.
Better to keep him and see what happens (productive or not)
January 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Repost:
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Ok here’s a topic:
if you think the raiders should keep DMAC
name here:
R8dercain
Raider O
Midwest Fan
If you think the raiders should trade DMAC an move on
Name here:
Young American
January 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
The biggest issues are on defense. Too many bad players….and those bad players are getting big paychecks.
Routt, Huff, Seymour, Wimbley and TK….those contracts are unacceptable.
Aaron Curry is due a $5 or $6 million next year. That can’t happen either
January 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Al did a lot of good things. I think he also paid for Marcus’ a few years back.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:51 am
He also paid for Otto’s surgeries.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:55 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Repost:
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Ok here’s a topic:
if you think the raiders should keep DMAC
name here:
R8dercain
Raider O
Midwest Fan
SnB offense defense special teams
If you think the raiders should trade DMAC an move on
Name here:
Young American
January 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:19 am
R8dercain Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Ok here’s a topic:
if you think the raiders should keep DMAC
name here:
R8dercain
Raider O
Midwest Fan
SnB offense defense special teams
If you think the raiders should trade DMAC an move on
Name here:
Young American
January 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am
If we trade McFadden, he should be traded to a bad team in the NFC so he doesn’t come back to haunt us. The Redskins would be perfect.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I think we should keep McFadden, let Bush go, and sign someone to replace Bush.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Raiders need to sign two running backs in the offseason. Either Michael Bush or someone like Mike Tolbert to replace him, and then another to replace DMac when he goes down.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:04 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
The Raiders need to sign two running backs in the offseason. Either Michael Bush or someone like Mike Tolbert to replace him, and then another to replace DMac when he goes down.
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Bush would be fine if he doesn’t have to be the lead back every game. As far as someone to replace DMAC, a healthy Taiwan Jones should fill that role nicely.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Keep DMAC,PERIOD.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:08 am
We have to find out who the next O.C is going to be to get an understanding of potential roster moves.
I hope Saunders stays on at this point. If you are going to go with Carson Palmer….might as well stick with the system that he’s comfortable with.
If Saunders is not retained…then anything could happen.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC is not that expensive for what he gives. Cheaper to keep him.
The “check cashers” on defense have to go
January 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Bush would be fine if he doesn’t have to be the lead back every game. As far as someone to replace DMAC, a healthy Taiwan Jones should fill that role nicely.
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Taiwan Jones has the same injury issues as McFadden. The last thing the Raiders need is to be waiting around for both of them to get healthy while Michael Bush plays every single offensive snap.
The Raiders will need to add two running backs this offseason, either through the draft or free agency.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
I am a value guy. I think D-Mac’s “value” is around a mid 2nd rounder, not higher due to his injury history.
So if a team were to offer something more than that, I would be willing to move him. If not, than I wouldn’t.
I think EVERY thing should be on the table if you can get above market value.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
The problem with DMac is his health. If we knew right now that he would be healthy enough to play at 100% for 14 or more games next year, I don’t think anybody here would want to get rid of him.
But we don’t know that. He’s been in the league four years, and had ONE healthy season during that time. The others, he was out for about half the year. Do you want to build your offense around someone who’s gone that much?
It comes down to a gamble either way. We could get good value (maybe even a low first-rounder) for DMAC if we traded him. Do we trade him and risk seeing him perfectly healthy, getting over 2,000 all-purpose yards for his new team, and flirting with MVP? Or do we keep him and risk seeing him miss half the year with nagging injuries that never go away?
January 29th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Interesting that we didn’t hear anyone complaining about Hue being fired the way they did about Cable. In hindsight, maybe the fuss over Cabel’s firing was due to the fact that the players just didn’t like Hue Jackson.
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Bingo.
With Corkran CONSTANTLY saying that the happiest person to see him go was Jason Campbell, makes you want to go back and review the whole Gradkowski mess in 2010.
Hue stood by Bruce when it worked, and took credit for the move. After it backfired, he distanced himself from it.
Typical Hue.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
D-Mac just came off his worst injury season, is going into his 5th year, and the injuries are piling up.
Not saying he is completely done, but I don’t know if he is guy WHO WILL ever get 300 touches in a season.
And 300, isn’t all that much for normal top-flight backs. He has barely exceeded 250 in any season.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:14 am
D-Mac just came off his worst injury season, is going into his 5th year, and the injuries are piling up.
Not saying he is completely done, but I don’t know if he is guy WHO WILL ever get 300 touches in a season.
And 300, isn’t all that much for normal top-flight backs. He has barely exceeded 250 in any season.
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We thought we were getting the next Adrian Peterson. Instead, we may have gotten the next Freeman McNeil: a talent, electrifying running back who simply cannot stay healthy.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
You don’t Win SB’s running the ball!!
The last great running back to win a SB was Terrel Davis BUT he had a hall of fame QB as well.
Rodgers, Brady, Mannings, Rapistburger, etc, all pass the ball.
This is a passing league, period.
If Dmac canbe traded for some proven players, a corner and LB, trade him. You don’t win SB’s running the ball.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Wimbley and Branch were our 2 best players on defense.
Wimbley is the best pass rusher on our roster, so he will stay.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Guarantee RayFice starts declining in
Reduction next year.
the Giants and Pats must be towards the bottom of the league in running the ball.
The Niners and Ravens had great running games but wha happened to them?
You need a passing game that can score anytime, anywhere….
January 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Wimbley and Branch were our 2 best players on defense.
Wimbley is the best pass rusher on our roster, so he will stay.
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That’s going to be a problem if Curry stays and we run a 4-3. ONE of your OLB’s has to be able to cover. Wimbley’s mediocre in coverage, and Curry’s flat-out terrible.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I have posted it a bunch of times, but it is important to understand.
The New York Giants were dead last in the NFL in rushing. They averaged 3.5 ypc, the worst in the NFL the last 3 years!!
Also 27th ranked defense, 29th ranked pass defense.
But #3 passing offense, and highest scoring 4th quarter offense.
Patriots stat line is fairly similar. 20th in rushing, 31st total D, #2 passing offense, #4 4th quarter scoring.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If DMac was capable, when healthy, of shredding the Steelers, Ravens, and Texans defenses? Then I’d be all for keeping him. But he’s not.
He even struggled against the Colts and Texans in 2010, and the Patriots last season. Not great defenses by any stretch, but they had a solid gameplan and took him out of the equation.
But this is the guy who many folks here want to hitch their wagons to, as if a healthy DMac means the Raiders will finally compete for a Superbowl.
A healthy DMac is not only something you can’t expect, but you couldn’t even say that a healthy DMac would help you beat elite teams in the NFL.
Again, if elite running backs got their otherwise average teams to the big dance, the Vikings, Chargers, and Jaguars would have won a Superbowl by now. Good defense even stopped guys like Foster and Rice this season. So why is DMac, a part-time player who is set to make $11 million over the next two seasons, somehow indispensable?
If the Raiders want to win, they have to build up the other parts of their team. They can’t do that while being over the salary cap with no draft picks.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Thank you JFB and YoungAmerican.
I though I was the only one watching passing teams win the SB. You can go back to The Rams of 1999, and even though they had Marshall Faulk, it was there passing game that won them there SB.
Rule changes have made this game a passing league. the QB is God and those are the facts.
Adios DMAC, I have his jersey but I will gladly trade him to fill some holes on Dline and Oline.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
http://www.nationalfootballpost.com/Peyton-Predicament-Part-2.html
A good explanation of why the Colts have to pay $28 million to Peyton, or watch him walk. It may also explain why the Polians were not only fired, but nobody else wants to hire them. Truly a numbskull deal.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The problem with DMAC is he needs to learn how to play when he is injured. There comes a point in the NFL where every player has some sort of injury. Most players play through injury, DMAC needs to also.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:30 am
RD,
You are right, and that’s why R McKenzie is looking at OLBs at the Senior Bowl.
According to draftcountdown.com, we were observing RBs, OLBs, and DL.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just read the Mike Silver’s article on Yahoo sports, Herrera is going to whoop Mike’s A$$.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Devilr8er Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The problem with DMAC is he needs to learn how to play when he is injured. There comes a point in the NFL where every player has some sort of injury. Most players play through injury, DMAC needs to also.
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As admirable as “I won’t take shots when I’m injured” is, sooner or later you have to ask yourself if you want to be remembered as a “good player” or a legend. There’s no right or wrong answer to this, but it is a decision to be made, and will carry a cost either way.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
You can put together ONE good year, with a 49ers type, ball control, tough D season and make a playoff run. Probably won’t win the Bowl, but can have a great year.
But if you want consistant success over years, you need a great QB, some good chess players on the sideline, an ability to score with 2 minutes to go in the game with the game on the line and just can’t be completely absymal defensively.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Devilr8er Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just read the Mike Silver’s article on Yahoo sports, Herrera is going to whoop Mike’s A$$.
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Now remember that Hue fed all that dirt (true or no) to Silver and everyone knows it, and you see why he’s having a hard time finding a job now.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
IMO D Allen will use Wimbley same way he used V Miller. Miller is better at coverage, but Wimbley is just as good rushing the passer.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Don’t forget that Taiwan and Jacoby both went ON THE RECORD stating they won’t play unless they are 100%.
I realize football is a tough sport, and very physically demanding, but that is a horrible mentality to have.
Not saying guys needs to limp through at 30%, but if you aren’t willing to go at 85%, you can kick rocks IMO.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:37 am
O,
Wimbley is nowhere near as good rushing the passer as Von Miller.
I hate to say it, but Von Miller is already an elite pass-rusher. Wimbley is above average, and really just dominates against backup LT’s like the San Diego game.
Miller will make 7 or 8 pro bowlers, and maybe make the HOF if he stays healthy. Wimbley will be lucky to make 2 pro bowls.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Do the Ravens have a great QB, or do they have great RB & defense?
Why didn’t GB win more games in the POs this season? Don’t they have a great QB & offense? How about their defense?!?!?!
GBs defense regressed, and that’s why they are out.
The Bears were in the SB with Rex!!! Enough said!!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
# RaiderDuck Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Devilr8er Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just read the Mike Silver’s article on Yahoo sports, Herrera is going to whoop Mike’s A$$.
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Now remember that Hue fed all that dirt (true or no) to Silver and everyone knows it, and you see why he’s having a hard time finding a job now.
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Hue is probably on every GM’s blacklist right now.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
The Bears were in the SB with Rex!!! Enough said!!!!
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Are we trying to have one fluky season surrounded by mostly .500 seasons, or trying to build a consistant winner?
And Green Bay won the Super Bowl last year, and made the playoffs every season the last 4 years, and no doubt will be in the mix for years to come.
And the Ravens peter out EVERY YEAR once they face a better QB in the playoffs, and they have one of the greatest defenses in NFL history.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Vegas,
I’m going to have to disagree. I remember reading a tweet from Cork that said Wimbley had stats similar to Ware and the elite pass rushers in the league WHEN he is rushing the passer. Hurries, sacks, etc…
January 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The Most Productive 25 Pass Rushers
Rank Name Team Pass Rushes Total Pressure Per Pass Rush PRP
1 Carlos Dunlap CIN 202 38 18.81% 15.47
2 Von Miller DEN 302 55 18.21% 15.15
3 Trent Cole PHI 231 43 18.61% 14.94
4 Cameron Wake MIA 311 56 18.01% 14.55
5 Chris Long SL 351 61 17.38% 13.60
6 Kamerion Wimbley OAK 324 53 16.36% 13.19
7 Brian Orakpo WAS 259 43 16.60% 12.93
8 Jason Babin PHI 272 44 16.18% 12.87
9 Clay Matthews GB 363 54 14.88% 12.26
10 Aldon Smith SF 238 36 15.13% 12.18
11 Demarcus Ware DAL 332 49 14.76% 11.45
12 John Abraham ATL 243 33 13.58% 11.01
13 Chris Clemons SEA 348 49 14.08% 10.99
14 Antonio D. Smith HOU 319 41 12.85% 10.66
15 Clark Haggans ARI 230 31 13.48% 10.65
16 Andre Carter NE 353 45 12.75% 10.48
17 Dwight Freeney IND 276 36 13.04% 10.42
18 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 291 38 13.06% 10.31
19 Osi Umenyiora NYG 216 28 12.96% 10.19
20 Tamba Hali KC 302 38 12.58% 10.18
21 Robert Quinn SL 218 27 12.39% 10.09
22 Cliff Avril DET 295 36 12.20% 9.66
23 Adrian Clayborn TB 285 34 11.93% 9.65
24 Terrell Suggs BAL 355 43 12.11% 9.51
25 Rob Ninkovich NE 233 28 12.02% 9.44
January 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I rest my case!!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Not saying Wimbley is garbage, but AS YOUR STATS prove, Miller is top-tier, and Wimbley is one-tier lower.
Miller was better in college, drafted way higher, and is already better in the NFL AS A ROOKIE.
Miller is going to be a pain to block for the next 10 years.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
You don’t need an elite QB to win the SB. Look at ًEli Manning in his 1st SB.
You can win a SB, if you have a good team.
Even the Panthers and Delhome made a SB, and lost by a FG.
Having an elite QB makes things easy, but it doesn’t mean SB wins.
Look at P Manning, and how many SB rings does he have.
Isn’t he Elite?
January 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am
So are Ware & Suggs one tier lower than Wimbley?
January 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Raider O,
I need to see the number of sacks to go with that number. Or pressures that resulted in busted plays.
Kamerion Wimbley does not have the impact on a game as many of those other guys on that list.
No way Wimbley is ahead of Suggs in impact.
Again, Wimbley wouldn’t command half his salary on the open market.
As you all like to say “Print That!”
January 29th, 2012 at 10:59 am
So are Ware & Suggs one tier lower than Wimbley?
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One thing your stats don’t show, are ACTUAL SACKS.
Has Wimbley ever had more sacks in a season than those guys?
January 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Our defense was the worst since the 1952 Dallas Texans. We’re talking historically bad.
3-4, 4-3. heck… even the good ole 10-1 or whatever, is gonna be better than what we had.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:57 am
So are Ware & Suggs one tier lower than Wimbley?
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Good point! NO THEY ARE NOT! Just another example of stats being turned for user benifit. But he is right about Wimbley. At least un til we get a coach thats utilizes his talent better.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Von Miller had a great rookie season, but it will be harder for him to do it again next season. Coaches will sheme to stop him, so he has to be even better next season.
I like Miller a lot, but I’m not ready to call him great.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Everyone doesn’t need to play “me too” football.
The 49ers and Ravens would be in the Super Bowl if not for epic failures on the part of a couple of players.
The Ravens have been very competitive for years and have knocked on the door and will continue.
The 49ers aren’t going anywhere and if they had a receiver to help out Smith…they will be trouble….(Hey, Al got it right with DHB over Crabtree)…LOL
Bottom line is you can win in any infinite number of ways.
Just get good coaching, players to fill the scheme and execute very well…..
Having to “sell-out” in a quest to find on of only 5 or 6 elite QBs is a path to frustration.
You can win running the ball and limiting mistakes in the passing game.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Eli didn’t have a great regular season in their first Super Bowl year, but he played very well in the postseason.
6-1 TD’s to INT’s, 98 QB rating, 62%
January 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
What’s almost unconscionable is what Mark is paying these jokers.
There’s defenses out there making 1/3 of what the Raiders are and performing at a much higher level.
I think the Raider D is one of the biggest embarrassments in sports.
To get a D minded HC like we did can’t hurt.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
THis mad dash for an “elite QB” resulted in that STUPID trade for Carson Palmer
January 29th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Von Miller, IMO, is the best pure pass rusher to come into the league in the past 10 years.
He is so quick off the ball. That first step is HOF-ish.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
And Kamerion Wimbley actually makes more than T-Sizzle.
And Tommy Kelly makes more than Vince Wilfork.
Insanity.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Vegas,
I don’t think he even reached double digits.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
To your point Raider O, how many rings does Rivers have? They call him “Elite” as well.
I know it irratates people, but how many does Trent Dilfer have?
Or Brad Johnson?
January 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
djohnnyg,
Its beyond maddening what the Raiders pay for the production.
Those “check cashers” and their agents took advantage of Al Davis’ trust.
Mario Williams is a dominant 4-3 end…when he was switched to a 3-4 OLB…he became a dominant OLB.
Great players can play. Period. Kelly, Routt, Huff, Wimbley and Seymour are role players at best….just guys…but they get paid like future hall of famers.
Someone just make a freekn play! Who cares the scheme
January 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Speaking of Von Miller, as it kind of applies to us, this a guy who was obviously an elite pass rusher, and stud at his position.
However, he was not doing his job as well in the run game, and Fox AND OUR NEW HC, benched him for a half early in the season.
Meanwhile, Hue wouldn’t even bench our marginal players for even a series, when they weren’t doing anything right and accumulating record penalties.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Vegas,
397,
You were fast with those stats.
I Agee. He played much better in the POs.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Or Brad Johnson?
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Go look at Brad Johnson’s stats for that season.
He was #2 in the NFL QB rating, completed almost 65% of his passes and HAD 22 TD’S TO 4 INT’S.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am
You were fast with those stats.
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Pro football reference is in my favorites, lol.
Being a semi-pro requires committment to excellence!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 11:10 am
These coaches have to man up and coach with the talent you have.
John Fox didn’t sit around and cry the blues about not having an “elite QB”…hell, he didn’t have a QB.
But they coaches their collective azzes off and found a way to win with the roster.
Hue Jackson got on the phone and sold out the future because he can’t coach a player up.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Hue Jackson is a failure. He had no control of the team, couldn’t get the pansies to play even when dinged up. We need a Head Coach to discipline the overpaid prima donnas.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
“coached”
January 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am
I will say Kam Wimbley’s shoulder-dip move, is probably one of the best in the league, if not THE best.
But he goes to that well too much, and doesn’t have a whole lot else besides that.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am
When Tom Brady went down…Bill Belicheck didn’t go out and try and sign Brett Favre….he went with his backup QB, adjusted the game plan and won 11 games.
The Carson Palmer deal was the result of talentless coaching
January 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Thank goodness Mark Davis went and got a legit GM candidate….you know, a candidate that was considered for other jobs….
The hail mary reaches in trades and free agency hopefully will come to an end
January 29th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Teams with the best HC/QB win the Super Bowl every year since Dilfer. All defense and no offense will never win in today’s NFL.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am
S&B,
I agree with you 100%. He doesn’t have the same impact as T Suggs and some of the other elite, he doesn’t have double digit sacks, but is it him or the system?
I think it’s both. He needs some help around him (another pass rusher to scheme for), because he is not an elite pass rusher like Suggs. He had more impact and sacks last season, because we had other pass rushers that had to be blocked too. That’s why we were better as a unit in sacks last season than this one.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Dj,
Exactly. Rivers didn’t win a SB, and he had some great teams.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Wimbley does a great job of smelling blood in the water, and completely humilating backup tackles.
But he doesn’t create the blood in the water.
Hence, he will have a 3.5 sack game, than not have another sack for a month.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Raider O,
Maybe Wimbley can be a player….but he can’t stay here at $10M per year.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Losing Matt S had a huge impact on our defense.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Our collective standard of excellence is jaded due to the bad football and wanting to grasp at any glimpse of hope.
Most of the players on this roster have not demonstrated that they are good players…not even guys like Moore or Ford.
What they have done is flash in few games…but they have not strung together a great season. It could be because of injury, scheme or other issues….
Greatness is 1500 yard receiving or rushing…..double digit sacks, top 10 run defense, etc..etc…
The Raiders will have players flash here and there….no one has put together a complete season on this roster…except Lechler and Jano.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:26 am
S&B,
I’m not worried about that. The ORG is well coached in dealing with the Salary cap. Players also restructure all the time. We need to add a few players to that defense, and we need to lose some players (vets) who check cashers!
January 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I think Moore will emerge as a borderline elite player.
No false bravado, no prerehearsed celebrations, just hard work and ACTUAL PRODUCTION.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
You see guys like Aaron Curry celebrating 4 yard tackles on 2nd and 3, and guys like Branch having an obvious rehearsed celebration dance. MM34 bragging on twitter about “shutting down” a TE when we lose by 40 points.
Meanwhile, D Moore scores TD’s and goes and celebrates with his teammates, and hands the ball to the ref when he makes a play when we are losing.
Not picking on Curry and Branch, at least not too much, but that ish needs to go.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Veldheer, Wisniewski, Moore, Branch, Reece, Houston, Shaughnessy, and to a lesser extent, Routt and Wimbley are players you can build a franchise around.
The problem is that the Raiders lack real playmakers at WLB, MLB, CB, FS, and don’t have a lot of options on the offensive side of the ball, either. And while Palmer will be a solid option at QB for the next few years, he’s not a long-term solution.
They need to find those key pieces if they want to take the next step.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
So is it a given that Wiz 2.0 goes to center this year?
I think he is a better NFL G than Center, but centers are much harder to find than guards.
Not sure which way to go with that one.
Our hand may be tipped a little through the draft.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Wisniewski looks like a natural at C. Would like to see him move there, with Heyer re-signed to take over at LG.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:43 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
If DMac was capable, when healthy, of shredding the Steelers, Ravens, and Texans defenses? Then I’d be all for keeping him. But he’s not.
He even struggled against the Colts and Texans in 2010, and the Patriots last season. Not great defenses by any stretch, but they had a solid gameplan and took him out of the equation.
But this is the guy who many folks here want to hitch their wagons to, as if a healthy DMac means the Raiders will finally compete for a Superbowl.
A healthy DMac is not only something you can’t expect, but you couldn’t even say that a healthy DMac would help you beat elite teams in the NFL.
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Yeah, but remember you had Jason Campbell, Bruce Gradkowski and Charlie Frye heaving the rock. If you were an opposing DC of course you would put 8-9 up there and let those Q’s try to beat you with suspect receivers. With Carson Palmer that is a different story altogether.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
THis mad dash for an “elite QB” resulted in that STUPID trade for Carson Palmer
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Look at the teams that are left: NE: elite Q. NYG: elite Q. The teams in the hunt year after year have that “elite” Q. Who did we have? Jason Campbell? Terrel Pryor? Barring a catastrophe, that deal for Palmer puts us in the hunt QB wise for the next 5-6 years. Now we need to get some other problems fixed.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Wisniewski looks like a natural at C.
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Well if he is any good there, it would have to be natural, as he only played 11 collegiate games (all as a junior) at center, and a handful of halves there last season.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am
I don’t know Vegas. The Wiz was projected to be a better C than G as I remember.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
dcraiderfan Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
The first thing that Allen has to do, cut Palmer from this roster no matter. Cut Seymour and other no load players who keep the record in penalties. And if Allen can’t get this team into the playoffs, fire him quickly. No matter! Put Spuds neck on the line, first!
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Lol, good thing you’re not running this franchise. Cut Palmer and get nothing for the two picks we gave up? Are you effin kidding? Geezus.
Palmer will get one more year at least. The job is his. Move on.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
People were talking about Soup last night, and I read a few posts where people said he would be a great backup, and a “backup deluxe”.
That will have to be seen. Certainly he is waaay more talented than your typical backup QB.
However, backup QB’s that are “great” backups takes a different mentality. They have to accept they are the backup, and focus more on preparing the #1 mentally, and be ready to make plays on a moments notice.
Soup has always been a slow starter, and his game is best suited as a game manager who doesn’t turn it over. And he may still think he is too talented to just be a backup.
Look at Aaron Brooks. He has a way better resume than Soup, and he could have been a backup somewhere after he left us, but he didn’t have the mentality for it, and decided to go sell commercial real estate instead(very successful I may add).
January 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:53 am
I don’t know Vegas. The Wiz was projected to be a better C than G as I remember.
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I know none of you guys believe this but other than Veldheer, Satele was our best Olineman last year. He is certainly consistent and has played decently. The reason Wiz is not at Center is because he has not beaten out Satele.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:57 am
ohioraider Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
dcraiderfan Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:28 pm
The first thing that Allen has to do, cut Palmer from this roster no matter. Cut Seymour and other no load players who keep the record in penalties. And if Allen can’t get this team into the playoffs, fire him quickly. No matter! Put Spuds neck on the line, first!
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Lol, good thing you’re not running this franchise. Cut Palmer and get nothing for the two picks we gave up? Are you effin kidding? Geezus.
Palmer will get one more year at least. The job is his. Move on.
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Exactly Ohio! Let’s get rid of our two best players. That will make us better. Sheeesh.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I want Richard Seymour traded. He is a “cancer” to the new regime.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Palmer is going nowhere. Jason Campbell is out the door, Seymour Bush. Face reality.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
I vote for Carlisle as our 2nd best lineman.
Least penalized, never missed a snap all season, and pretty darn good in run-blocking, our best at getting to the second level, and is always involved in our screen plays (which we are pretty good at).
January 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Jered Veldheer had the same amount of penalties (11) last season, than Carlilse has had the last 4 seasons COMBINED.
That has to count for something, especially for the team that breaks NFL records for penalties.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Three time world champion. 7 time pro bowler, the definition of unselfish player. And you want him out the door. Unbelievable.
The reason I voted Satele was he had to make the line calls, and had much tougher assignments usually. And if any of you have any doubts, go put in the tape of the Minn game where Satele went out late in the lst half and you can watch Wiz just get abused in the 2nd half. Which is one reason we did nothing in the 2nd half of that game and almost lost.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Jered Veldheer had the same amount of penalties (11) last season, than Carlilse has had the last 4 seasons COMBINED.
That has to count for something, especially for the team that breaks NFL records for penalties.
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Again, they are different positions. If you are on an island, miss your assignment and your franchise Q is going to get destroyed and probably have bones broken, you are going to grab the defender. Normally that doesn’t happen with interior linemen.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
I think Satele gets a bad rap in here sometimes, but he is not much other than average.
And he has some really dumb penalties, where he is 10 yards down the field before a screen pass is thrown, or just yanks a guy to the ground for an obvious hold.
Not much more than a stopgap, IMO, but he is a NFL center, just not a great one.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
If Richard Seymour can play without committing so many personal fouls, and be the LEADER on defense, then I can accept that. In my opinion, he has no business being in this year’s Pro Bowl.
I do agree with you about Satele. I remember the Minnesota game.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
I think the counter is that Eli seems to be getting better, while Palmer has plateued, if not receeded a little.
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Id like to see how brother Eli would do plugged into a new team midseason. I’d like to evaluate Palmer’s “prime” with a whole offseason under his belt at least.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Anyone know what time the presser is tomorrow?
January 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Anyone know what time the presser is tomorrow?
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2pm I think.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
445.jesusraiderjim Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Anyone know what time the presser is tomorrow?
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CSN Bay Area says it starts at noon. I’m assuming that’s Pacific time.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
I see that Captain Kleenex was on another one of his check-cashing tirades.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
So we are supposed to have assistants by the time the presser comes around right? Any word????
January 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Lol, good thing you’re not running this franchise. Cut Palmer and get nothing for the two picks we gave up? Are you effin kidding? Geezus.
Palmer will get one more year at least. The job is his. Move on.
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Palmer’s gonna kill sh;t in 2012.
Book it now.
1st and 2nd was a pretty penny to pay but I’d rather have a franchise QB capable of putting a game on his shoulders when necessary than some 22 year old mid 1st rounder who may or may not be great now or later.
In the end, you have to build through the draft, but what is the bigger priority? A potentially great Qb with a ton of experience or a OLB, NT, CB that could be had in a later round anyway?
Dry your eyes, Ledge Dwellers.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
EMRaiders Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
So we are supposed to have assistants by the time the presser comes around right? Any word????
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We may not have a staff in place til the 2nd week of February.
January 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
LA To TheBay Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
I see that Captain Kleenex was on another one of his check-cashing tirade
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO:)
January 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
#451 –
Is that so?
Are we waiting for some of NY or NE coaches or something?
January 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
It wouldn’t surprise me if DA didn’t already have his coordinators in place.Position coaches can always be added.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Well that is what I was wondering. I remember hearing somewhere that the Raiders were not going to have the presser until the coordinators were hired. If he has them already in place, does any one know who they are?
January 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
So from what I understand, Campbell and Bowler are gone, Palmer is supposed to be getting dealt for a 2nd and 3rd this year and the goal is to sign Flynn?
January 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Palmer isn’t going anywhere.Getting Flynn wouldn’t be a sure thing and it would be insane to go into the season with only Pryor as a QB.That would be giving up on the season before it started.Besides,I doubt Flynn is in the same league as CP.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Who are these idiots saying Cut Palmer?
Ok, that would make us “better” right?
Defense needs to be the focus, period.
We lost 4 games due to the defense.
Offense will be better next year, defense can get any worse.
Thank goodness most of you have NO say in running this team, Lol…..
January 29th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
McKenzie is going to have to do it the way Seattle did it two years ago. I think they set a record for transactions (~ 280, I think). They ran a lot of guys in and out until they got a reasonable base; and then with a good draft in 2011, they put together a team that is going to go places. Reggie has nothing to work with in 2012 from the draft, so he will turn over every rock; and then in 2013 he will have the advantage of draft picks. I don’t see him dropping Palmer until then, because the offensive line is good enough now to protect him; and there is no chance of drafting a quality quarterback until 2013. So it will be one step back in wins the first year, and then some progress in the second. I don’t see him getting enough help the first time around to take the Raiders anywhere. Too many pieces to get.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
What is the problem?No disparaging remarks,no insults,no cussing?
January 29th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Some people act like we were 2007 terrible last year.We almost won the division and made the play-offs.We’ve been 8-8 the last 2 years.We don’t need a total rebuilding job.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Breaking_Black Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
So from what I understand, Campbell and Bowler are gone, Palmer is supposed to be getting dealt for a 2nd and 3rd this year and the goal is to sign Flynn?
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I am kinda new to the blog. You got inside info? You connected? Got a link? It would be a STUPID move if it is true. What is wrong with all you people that want Palmer gone?
January 29th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Jim-there are a few people with an agenda who want Palmer gone.They constantly lobby for him to be traded or cut.They constantly proclaim he isn’t any good.IMO,they don’t have the best interest of the team in mind.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I have noticed that. I been on here for about a month. We got some highly intelligent people with great insight and we have some bigots, and tards too. The usual bay-area mix. I am really pumped for the future of the team and us fans. Can only hope that “Commitment
to Excellence” is a slogan that actually means something again.
January 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
Raider O Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
You don’t need an elite QB to win the SB. Look at ًEli Manning in his 1st SB.
You can win a SB, if you have a good team.
Even the Panthers and Delhome made a SB, and lost by a FG.
Having an elite QB makes things easy, but it doesn’t mean SB wins.
Look at P Manning, and how many SB rings does he have.
Isn’t he Elite?
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You are right. But what I said was to be in the hunt year in and year out, you DO. Yes, guys like Delhomme or Brad Johnson can have a good year and/or an exceptional playoff run, but the teams that are in the hunt every year have that marquee Q.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
459. Plausible.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
462. Also, plausible
January 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
January 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
So from what I understand, Campbell and Bowler are gone, Palmer is supposed to be getting dealt for a 2nd and 3rd this year and the goal is to sign Flynn?
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I am still waiting for more of this. It’s great for debate.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Reggie realizes he is going to have to go the undrafted free agent route this time around. Sucks, but what can you do? It sure beats trading Carson Palmer for Matt Flynn.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
It amazes me that we all we’ve had is avg. to below avg. QBs for far too long,we finally get one that is way above avg. and many want to get rid of him for unknowns.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Yep, Sterling Moore was an UDFA. Hopefully McKenzie can bring in some overlooked players.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Word Mr. Bush
I don’t know why but I just saw Warren Wells catch in the back of the end zone against the Jets. (IN my mind) Anyone else remember any great old moments? Given away my age that’s for sure.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
It amazes me that we all we’ve had is avg. to below avg. QBs for far too long,we finally get one that is way above avg. and many want to get rid of him for unknowns.
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I stopped listening to fans on QBs.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Yep, Sterling Moore was an UDFA. Hopefully McKenzie can bring in some overlooked players.
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So was Defensive MVP James Harrison, NFL leading rusher Arian Foster, Peyton Mannings Pro Bowl Center Jeff Saturday in addition to you guys favorite player our own Tommy Kelly. You can find those guys, you just have to look.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
It amazes me that we all we’ve had is avg. to below avg. QBs for far too long,we finally get one that is way above avg. and many want to get rid of him for unknowns.
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Any real Raider fan has to admit that Palmer is the best thing we have had a QB since Gannon. Anything else is just some personal bias or vindictivness.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
No single moments,but watching Art Powell,Hewitt Dixon,and Clem Daniels dominate games was pure joy.Wish we could clone all 3 and have them on the team now.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
It amazes me that we all we’ve had is avg. to below avg. QBs for far too long,we finally get one that is way above avg. and many want to get rid of him for unknowns.
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Someone was in here yesterday saying that Palmers arm was shot. Let me tell you, that last TD he threw to Kevin Boss to bring us back into the Discharger game was an absolute laser. That throw was flat out ridiculous. If you guys don’t believe me, on one of the broadcasts Phil Simms said “there doesn’t look like anything is wrong with his arm to me….” Simms might know something about quarterbacking.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
“Any real Raider fan has to admit that Palmer is the best thing we have had a QB since Gannon. Anything else is just some personal bias or vindictivness.”
I agree
January 29th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Seymour,I read that.What happens is one of the Palmer haters writes it,keeps repeating it,and pretty soon some others pick up on it and it becomes truth to them with no facts to back it up.That sort of thing happens all the time here.Repeat a lie often enough and soon some will start to believe it.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Bo runnin over that farce Brian Bozworth, Marcus reversin feild in the superbowl, ugly ass Ghost but that boy could play TE
January 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
So from what I understand, Campbell and Bowler are gone, Palmer is supposed to be getting dealt for a 2nd and 3rd this year and the goal is to sign Flynn?
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Haha, I put this up earlier just for debate. Unless me or anybody else attaches a link with claims to inside info, it’d be safe to not believe. I just put it up because we’re about 500 comments in on this post and there is no real news.
Personally, I’m in favor of keeping Palmer. There were enough examples of his ability last year that he can run an offense and be depended on to carry the team, even though it shouldn’t be required. His only negatives were his int’s because our defense couldn’t stop a team for 99yds let alone a short field, and his lack of familiarity with the offense which will be fixed with an offseason.
The only reason to psyched about Flynn would be that if anybody knows whether he’s worth it, it would be Reggie. Because there’s about as much evidence that he’s ready to be a starter as there is that Dennis Allen is ready to be a head coach.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
CP still has something left but it’s not enough to gain franchise QB status. The problem is (I have said many times now) CP is almost totally immobile, can’t elude or evade the rush or roll out, or scramble for 1st downs. Therefore his INT and fumble ratio will be high, and higher next season. CP could possibly be a bridge next season toward our franchisee QB and nothing more.
The reason many people are down on CP is because the trade for him, considering his weaknesses, so outrageously favored CP and the Bengals. The guy now makes $11M per season which is ridiculous. JC, who, I believe could re-produce CP’s record, is paid a fraction of that amount.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
BTW, JC is not the answer to our QB need, either, but could be had for a fraction of the cost of CP and produce the same number of wins. Both QB’s will be done the road soon enough.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Funny that Palmer is over throwing passes to some of the fastest guys in the NFL and his arm is shot?
January 29th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
If Flynns available he would be a great back-up and possibly someone that could be groomed for the future. Palmer is only gonna last about 4 more years at the most, plus there is always the risk of injury with any player. We need to develop Pryor and if QB aint the awnser for him,surely we can use him somewhere
January 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Raiders for life, #483
CP’s arm is still there, but if he can’t get out trouble in the pocket, that arm will take him only so far. There is no denying that.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Palmer makes throws JC couldn’t make in his dreams. He’s our QB. It’s a non-issue.
Onto more interesting topics actually worth discussing…
Any new news on OC and DC candidates?
January 29th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
If the OC can devise a scheme so that CP doesn’t have to hang onto the ball too long, and the O line can be bolstered for greater protection it may be possible to advance into the playoffs. But the teams who have the great QB’s will go to the Superbowl, great QB’s meaning QB’s who can at least avoid the rush.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Al d Davis-I believe you are wrong about Palmer.He has at least 4 more good years probably more.He doesn’t have to scramble to elude the rush-just watch Brady,Payton,Eli,etc.All it takes is taking a step here or a step there to elude pass rushers.If I’m not mistaken not only didn’t he scramble a time or two last year for 1st downs,he also knew how to slide to avoid getting plummeted.It is delusional to even compare Campbell to Palmer.They aren’t in the same universe.Campbell would never be picked over Palmer by any coach-ever.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Raiders for life, #483
CP’s arm is still there, but if he can’t get out trouble in the pocket, that arm will take him only so far. There is no denying that.
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Doesn’t seem to hurt Peyton, Brady or Rivers.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Try Some Reality Says, #486
“Palmer makes throws JC couldn’t make in his dreams. He’s our QB. It’s a non-issue.”
CP does make throws JC can only dream of making: that’s very true. But JC can escape the rush and make frist downs scrambling, if you look at his career stats, and his stats playing with the Raiders. CP can only dream of that.
We paid way too much for CP and I believe he will be our QB next season but probably, based on his performance, as a bridge, as I described above.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
I like JCampbell as a person & a player. But, Lefty12 is 100% correct. Palmer is simply a level or two above JCampbell, the player, and would be picked ahead of Soup every time. He should be good for at least 4 more years.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
The issue with Palmer is if you can keep him protected he will pick you to pieces. He has led the league in completion percentage. That’s pretty good. So, looking forward I would be spending any high draft choices we had lst and foremost on Olinemen. If you cannot protect him, he will be pretty ordinary, but then so will every other Q in the league.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
I know what you guys are saying, and I agree. CP is heads and tails above JC, and has always been so. However, he can’t can’t elude the rush: a step here, and back again, Manning and Brady are masters of that.
As I see in his stats, and saw every Raider game I watched featuring Palmer, he lacks elusiveness, which led to his high INT and fumble ratio.
JC is not the answer, and CP will do for next year. I am just saying on the road to dynasty, we, at some point need a young, franchise QB.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Seymour Bush, #492,
Excellent point…..
January 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
lefty12, #488,
Lefty, I am not AL D. Davis. AL D. Davis was kicked out of this blog by Corky due to disrespect and fomenting irreverence of the real Al.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
I wish JFB was here because I would love to know,without having to look it up,who fumbles more often-Palmer or Campbell.I’d guess it is Campbell.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
JC was never all that great at running with the ball. I believe he has some ability to do it, yes (*some* ability – he’s actually not all that quick). But too often he wouldn’t take advantage of it and just threw the ball away. I believe it was Gannon that commented about how JC needed to run more. JC averages 10-15 yards rushing per game. You can keep your 10-15 yards rushing and I’ll take the stronger and more accurate throws.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
lefty12, #488,
Lefty, I am not AL D. Davis. AL D. Davis was kicked out of this blog by Corky due to disrespect and fomenting irreverence of the real Al.
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OK,if you say so.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
We’re also comparing apples to oranges in the sense that Palmer has not had the benefit of a training camp with this offense and these receivers. How long did it take JC to get comfortable?
January 29th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
CP still has something left but it’s not enough to gain franchise QB status. The problem is (I have said many times now) CP is almost totally immobile, can’t elude or evade the rush or roll out, or scramble for 1st downs. Therefore his INT and fumble ratio will be high, and higher next season. CP could possibly be a bridge next season toward our franchisee QB and nothing more.
The reason many people are down on CP is because the trade for him, considering his weaknesses, so outrageously favored CP and the Bengals. The guy now makes $11M per season which is ridiculous. JC, who, I believe could re-produce CP’s record, is paid a fraction of that amount.
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How often do you see Brady or Eli Manning running for 1st downs?
Answer you don’t, yet one of them is about to be World Champ AGAIN!
January 29th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
BTW,palmer has played longer and in more games than Campbell.They have both fumbled 32 times in their career.
January 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
CP had 14 TDs with the Raiders, 13 passing, one rushing, rushed for 20 yds with a fumble with 16 INT’s passing.
JC scored 8 TD’s for the Raiders, 6 passing, 2 rushing, rushed 282 yds, and had 3 funbles, and 4 INT’s.
How to analyse that: not sure
January 29th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
The way that Palmer can quickly read a defense at the LOS is very impressive.
He ran the hurry up so well after just being pon the team for such a short amount of time.
He does his homework he has a great understanding of defense from playing against Pittsburgh and Baltimore twice a year for so long.
The guy is great at the LOS light years ahead of JC.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
How often do you see Brady or Eli Manning running for 1st downs?
Answer you don’t, yet one of them is about to be World Champ AGAIN
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Pretty hard to argue that point! Our D is what needs immediate attention. No more 99 1/2 yd game losing drives PLEASE!!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
We have seen Campbell’s best. He can’t do much better. It’s not in his skill set.
We have not yet seen Palmer’s best. He was thrown into the fire after being out of football.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Palmer should have never gone into that first game. Hue was playing to the fans.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
In any case Corky swears and be damned that many teams will be itching to make JC their starter. I don’t see that myself.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
CP had 14 TDs with the Raiders, 13 passing, one rushing, rushed for 20 yds with a fumble with 16 INT’s passing.
JC scored 8 TD’s for the Raiders, 6 passing, 2 rushing, rushed 282 yds, and had 3 funbles, and 4 INT’s.
How to analyse that: not sure
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Last season Carson Palmer had almost exactly twice as many pass attempts than Jason Campbell for almost three times the yardage. That is a good analysis.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I don’t se it either. There are a couple out there where he would be an upgrade but there aren’t many options for him as a starter in this league. He’s a stop gap QB.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
My money’s on Seattle. They seem to have an appetite for our players as of late. Tom Cable?
January 29th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Damn people in Oak-town must pizzed off about the Dennis Allen hire!
THE HUE JACKSON RIOTS
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
I don’t see it either who out there would use him.
Seattle came on strong at the end of the season they are going to commit to Tavaris Jackson next year.
The Browns will draft RGIII
The Jaguars will give Gabbart one more year to show he was worth the pick.
Back to the Redskins? I doubt that.
So Where could he be a starter next year I just don’t see it either?
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Kind of wondering how Palmer feels about Hue getting fired.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Jason Campbell is heading to Florida. Soon.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Palmer is the QB going forward and is a good QB. However, I think this radical pursuit for a “franchise QB” leads to laziness from coaches and fans.
John Fox and Jim Harbaugh made chicken salad out of chicken shhhhhh…
Coaches have to become coaches and work with the talent they have.
John Fox didn’t even have a QB…so he and the his OC revamped the playbook to allow the player they had to have the best success….
Harbaugh in San Fran deployed a run heavy offense with a controlled passing game and rode that all the way to within two fumbles of the Super Bowl
Belicheck lost Brady in week 1 a couple of years ago. They figured out a way to make Cassel a serviceable QB and they won 11 games.
The Raiders didn’t even bother to try and coach up what they had. Gave away a 1st this year and a 1st/end next year. Lazy if you ask me. Any coach will be successfull if everything is perfect. Coach some players up and make adjustments.
Palmer is a good QB and will be productive for this team. Unfortunately, the Raiders hurt their ability to get another starter on the roster.
And yes the draft is a toss up…just like Carson playing at a high level beyond 35.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
The other great thing about the Raiders becoming a real NFL franchise and not just part of the Al Davis fantasy league, we will actually spend some bucks on a QB coach.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
I think JC is an excellent backup for CP, but Corky claims he has much higher ambitions, as starter.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Campbell is not even in the same langue as CP.
Soup actually played with DMAC AND had an offseason.
End of story….
January 29th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
303Raider, #518,
Soup is whom ? or what ?
January 29th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
“Soup is whom ? or what ?”
Jason Campbell as is Campbell’s soup
January 29th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
lol….oh, okay
January 29th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Besides, DHB was really coming along towards the end their with CP. Nice to have someone that can get him the ball. I think that duo only gets better next year.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Soup is the former Raider starting QB.
Lord, I hate the bye-week for the Super Bowl.
What the hell are you supposed to do with it anyway?
Sigh.
Back to my taxes.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Is it possible that Dennis Allen keeps Bresnahan as DC?
Sorry, all my chores are done and I’m bored.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
It is pretty funny that some like Steve say Palmer is past his prime,yet Eli Manning is only 1 year younger and is considered to be in the prime of his carreer.I guess it is all in the eyes of the beholder.
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Same things they were saying when Gruden hitched his wagon to Gannon. Mark my words. Palmer will be the next Gannon.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Not a chance in hell.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Well if we improve on last seasons’s Defense…With the same offense going forawrd thats lets see…No epic collapse against Denver, Detroit and Buffalo.
That would equal 11-5! Home playoff game
January 29th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Cork doesn’t know squat when it comes to player evaluation. This is the same guy that claimed Boss would be a revelation here in Oakland and would easily surpass Miller’s numbers.
Had the blog believing DHB was a bum and he only went on to get darn near 1000 yards receiving.
Please…Cork should stick to reporting the news and not patronize us with his conjecture.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Doesn’t take long for the naysayers to come out of the wood work. These are the same people that actually think Soup will not only “lead” the Raiders to the playoffs but a championship.
Oy!
January 29th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
One of the more embarrasing moments this last season was McCarthy pulling Rodgers out of the game. Instead of running up the score McCarthy basically said “You just got your azzes whooped”
January 29th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
JC is gone. He didn’t do the things necessary to secure the job. Too bad for him.
I hope the Raiders spend the time getting Pryor ready as a backup so that if Carson were to get hurt, they don’t have to offer up 2013s 1st and 2014 2nd to get Peyton Manning
January 29th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
CP had 14 TDs with the Raiders, 13 passing, one rushing, rushed for 20 yds with a fumble with 16 INT’s passing.
JC scored 8 TD’s for the Raiders, 6 passing, 2 rushing, rushed 282 yds, and had 3 funbles, and 4 INT’s.
How to analyse that: not sure
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Last season Carson Palmer had almost exactly twice as many pass attempts than Jason Campbell for almost three times the yardage. That is a good analysis.
Real Talk it’s because JaJason JaCampbell has one major flaw Real Talk. Wanna try and guess what it is? No it’s not the Glo grease in his throwing hand or purplelip drank
Real Talk
January 29th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
If Bresnahan is retained, I think the Nation, collectively, will sh1t their knickers.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Raiders for life Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Kind of wondering how Palmer feels about Hue getting fired.
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Would be interesting to know, especially with the “he’s not meeting with me” comments during the meltdown down the stretch.
My guess is that he may not be shedding too many tears. But who knows they have a history.
From my observations of the sideline, Carson would look at Hue confused a lot of the time like they were speaking a different language–but that’s just my take.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
past past past .. what the hell ever !!! let it go damn all of u ! lol..
January 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Cork doesn’t know squat when it comes to player evaluation. This is the same guy that claimed Boss would be a revelation here in Oakland and would easily surpass Miller’s numbers.
Had the blog believing DHB was a bum and he only went on to get darn near 1000 yards receiving.
Please…Cork should stick to reporting the news and not patronize us with his conjecture.
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Agreed!
Don’t forget his great prediction that the discharges would just “lay-down” in the last game
January 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
ya know. chucky B staying may be a blessing in disguise, he knows the personnel.. hes seasoned, all he has to do is stop blitzing a safety & a linebacker off the same side on 3rd and 12 and maybe just maybe itll work out .
January 29th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
doriangray Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
ya know. chucky B staying may be a blessing in disguise, he knows the personnel.. hes seasoned, all he has to do is stop blitzing a safety & a linebacker off the same side on 3rd and 12 and maybe just maybe itll work out .
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Although I never liked Brez, the D Coord position is not gonna be as crucial now that we have a Defensive based coach. I’m more interested to see the O-Coord.
Palmer is at the point in his career where he does not need to be spoon fed and can take the offense on his shoulder as long as he knows the scheme/terminology. Kinda like Peyton and Brady in the vetern knowledge sense.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Don’t think you have to worry about Chuck B being around Try Some. Coach Allen has probably seen the video on the D and said what the hell is that?
January 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Hardline Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
lefty12, #488,
Lefty, I am not AL D. Davis. AL D. Davis was kicked out of this blog by Corky due to disrespect and fomenting irreverence of the real Al.
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U might be because you’re version of Al D getting kicked out leaves out the race baiting and latent homphobic pedophilic Sandusky comments rife through out RMR, I mean Ricochet, I mean Al D. posts.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Chuck B is probably a competent position coach.
WOuldn’t be surprised if he’s retained in that manner
January 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Don’t know Palmer at all, but admire his decision to keep quiet about the recent coaching changes. Nothing he can do to change them; commenting would only sink his own ship.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Doriangray Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
ya know. chucky B staying may be a blessing in disguise, he knows the personnel.. hes seasoned, all he has to do is stop blitzing a safety & a linebacker off the same side on 3rd and 12 and maybe just maybe itll work out .
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You should go and stab yourself in the eye for that statement.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
513.Raiders for life Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Kind of wondering how Palmer feels about Hue getting fired.
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I doubt he misses him. Remember when Hue put him in the KC game, and said in the PC afterwards that Palmer was badgering him to let him play? Palmer gets to the mic later, and not knowing what Hue said, tells the press that he didn’t think he was going to play and was very surprised when Jackson told him to go in.
I remember it. More of Hue’s BS. Palmer took the high road and backed his coach, but I’d be willing to bet that he was pissed about both going into the game, and Hue’s lying about him campaigning to do so.
I realy don’t think Hue is going to missed by anyone, especially once the professionals officially begin work in Alameda.
January 29th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Some Senior Bowl stuff.
Isaiah Pead took a stutter step forward, then raced to the left sideline and traveled 60 yards up the field before finally getting tripped up by a leg tackle.
Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins went 5-for-11 for 115 yards, a touchdown and an interception.
By Chuck Cook, US Presswire
Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins went 5-for-11 for 115 yards, a touchdown and an interception.
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By Chuck Cook, US Presswire
Michigan State QB Kirk Cousins went 5-for-11 for 115 yards, a touchdown and an interception.
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The former Cincinnati running back followed that nifty punt return with a 38-yarder a couple of minutes later, late in the first half, to play a starring role Saturday in the North’s 23-13 victory over the South in the Senior Bowl.
The first one set up a field goal and helped Pead outshine bigger names to earn Most Valuable Player honors.
BOX SCORE: North 23, South 13
“(Coach) told me what the punt return call was, left, right or in the middle, and told me to make sure I set my blocks up or the play would be dead,” said Pead, who set a Senior Bowl record with 98 yards on punt returns. “I tried to do that the best that I could. The rest was just ability.”
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Michigan State’s Kirk Cousins and Wisconsin’s Russell Wilson threw touchdown passes for the North. Purdue kicker Carson Wiggs put it away with his third short field goal, a 28-yarder with 4:11 left in the showcase for senior NFL prospects.
Boise State’s Kellen Moore led that clinching 13-play drive that consumed 8:36 with the help of a running clock.
It snuffed out a spark provided by South quarterback Nick Foles of Arizona, who started his career with Cousins at Michigan State.
Foles had gotten the South into the end zone by firing a 20-yard touchdown pass to Arizona teammate Juron Criner with 12:55 left in the game.
It was an up-and-down day for a crew of quarterbacks with sparkling college credentials, but threw a combined five interceptions.
It was mostly up for Pead, who only had 74 yards on eight punt returns as a senior. The 5-foot-10, 193-pounder did rush for 1,338 yards and 12 touchdowns and gained a team-high 31 yards on eight carries in the Senior Bowl.
“I think he may have opened some eyes,” said Minnesota Vikings coach Leslie Frazier, who led the North. “Some people may have wondered if he can do certain things. I think he may have answered some questions today.
Cousins completed 5-of-11 passes for 115 yards but threw an interception. Moore, who won an college-record 50 games as a starting quarterback, was 6-of-12 passing for 50 yards, and had a 23-yarder to set up the final field goal that put the North up two scores.
Wilson completed 4-of-7 passes for 45 yards with an 8-yard touchdown pass to Marvin Jones in the second quarter. He also threw an interception.
“I think I did a really good job, besides the interception,” Wilson said. “You never want to throw an interception obviously. I think I waited a little bit too long on that one. Other than that, I came back. I had amnesia and just forgot about it and got the ball in the end zone there.”
Arkansas receiver Joe Adams, the South’s Most Outstanding Player, had eight catches for 133 yards after losing a fumble on the opening drive. He had a 36-yarder and a 29-yarder in the third quarter.
Criner gained 77 yards on six catches.
Linebacker Bobby Wagner of Utah State had seven tackles and an interception and was the North’s Most Outstanding Player.
“We were just getting after it, having fun out here,” said North defensive lineman Mike Martin of Michigan. “The scheme was real simple so it was just guys playing with effort and intensity.”
Wiggs made kicks of 27, 32 and 28 yards while missing a 37-yarder in the final minutes.
Foles almost got the South back in it earlier, but his fourth-down pass from the 13 was incomplete with 3:59 left in the third quarter.
He had the best stat line of the six quarterbacks. Foles was 11-for-15 passing for 136 yards and the TD, and was the only South quarterback who wasn’t picked off.
San Diego State’s Ryan Lindley was 10-for-21 for 103 yards and also was intercepted once. Oklahoma State’s 28-year-old Brandon Weeden started for the South but was picked off twice on nine attempts, completing five passes for 56 yards.
Cousins put the North ahead 20-6 early in the second half with a 41-yard touchdown pass to Arizona State’s Gerell Robinson. The 6-foot-3, 223-pound Robinson caught it coming across the middle and raced down the right sideline.
It was the second time on the drive Cousins had thrown for a nice gain on third down, hitting T.J. Graham (North Carolina State) for 22 yards earlier.
The North’s Kendall Reyes of Connecticut had two sacks.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
irmoscraider Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Don’t think you have to worry about Chuck B being around Try Some. Coach Allen has probably seen the video on the D and said what the hell is that?
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Dennis Allen saw the Bresnahan defense up close and personal twice last year. One time we had absolutely no answer for Tim Teblow’s high school offense. Right there he probably had seen enough.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
More Senior Bowl stuff.
Oakland Raiders Senior Bowl Snippets
Byron Lambert, Rosterwatch.com
Raider’s scouts spent quite a bit of time with big powerful Baylor RB, Terrance Ganaway. Michael Bush replacement?
They were also looking hard at LBs. This was evidenced when I walked by Miami LB, Sean Spence, and his agent,the notorious Drew Rosenhaus, speaking at length with Raider’s personnel.
A couple other interesting Raider’s niblets, straight from the scouts: They are somewhat disappointed in Rolando McClain to this point. Aaron Curry was a good pick up and he played well. The Raiders were happy with the development of young DBs Chimdi Chekwa and Demarcus Van Dyke.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
i know raiders tryna change the image but ,, joe adams may be somebody team should look at drafting . he got a knack for making plays . ouch , my eye hurts now .
January 29th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
More Stuff.
Who were Raiders scouting at the Senior Bowl?
Written by Levi Damien, Senior Writer | 29 January 2012
Every NFL team has had their scouts and coaches in Mobile, Alabama this week for the Senior Bowl. After practices, each team’s scouts have a chance to speak with some of the prospects on the squads. Here are the players in whom Raider scouts have taken particular interest.
Quinton Coples, DE/OLB, North CarolinaSouth Carolina linebacker Melvin Ingram
Projected: Round 1, Top 10
Melvin Ingram, DE/OLB, South Carolina (pictured)
Projected: Round 1, Midway
Chris Polk, RB, Washington
Projected: Round 2
Kendall Reyes, DT, UConn
Projected: Round 2
Lavonte David, LB, NebraskaMiami linebacker Sean Spence
Projected: Round 2
Vinny Curry, DE, Marshall
Projected: Round 2
Isaiah Pead, RB, Cincinnati
Projected: Round 2-3
Michael Egnew, TE, Missouri
Projected: Round 3
Dwight Jones, WR, North Carolina
Projected: Round 3
Sean Spence, LB, Miami (pictured)
Projected: Round 3Alabama cornerback DeQuan Menzie
Harrison Smith, S, Notre Dame
Projected: Round 3
Antonio Allen, DB, South Carolina
Projected: Round 3
Matt McCants, OT, UAB
Projected: Round 3
Alameda Ta’amu, DT, Washington
Projected: Round 3
Brian Quick, WR, Appalachian State
Projected: Round 3-4Arizona wide receiver Juron Criner
Jamell Fleming, CB, Oklahoma
Projected: Round 3-4
DeQuan Menzie, CB, Alabama (pictured)
Projected: Round 4
Terrance Ganaway, RB, Baylor
Projected: Round 4-5
Jake Bequette, DE, Arkansas
Projected: Round 4-5
Jack Crawford, DE, Penn State
Projected: Round 5
Juron Criner, WR, Arizona (pictured)
Projected: Round 6
James Brown, OT, Troy
Projected: Round 7
Alfred Morris, RB, Florida Atlantic
Projected: Round 7-UDFA
January 29th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
edward teach Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
513.Raiders for life Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Kind of wondering how Palmer feels about Hue getting fired.
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I doubt he misses him. Remember when Hue put him in the KC game, and said in the PC afterwards that Palmer was badgering him to let him play? Palmer gets to the mic later, and not knowing what Hue said, tells the press that he didn’t think he was going to play and was very surprised when Jackson told him to go in.
I remember it. More of Hue’s BS. Palmer took the high road and backed his coach, but I’d be willing to bet that he was pissed about both going into the game, and Hue’s lying about him campaigning to do so.
I realy don’t think Hue is going to missed by anyone, especially once the professionals officially begin work in Alameda.
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Teach is exactly right. There is NO WAY Palmer should have been in that game. It’s one thing if he had played the preseason and started a few games was used to live bullets and then got traded. But to be lying around on the coach watching cooking shows in San Diego for two months and then thrown into an NFL game without getting hardly any reps? That was crazy. And Tamba Hali dives at Palmers knees ON THE VERY FIRST PLAY, and could have ended his career right there, for nothing. Very very stupid of Jackson.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
A quote from full metal jacket. (edited)
Gunnery Sergeant Dennis Allen: “Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy fuking walrus-looking piece of sh1t. Get the fck off of my field! Get the fck down off of my obstacle! NOW! MOVE IT! Or I’m going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you”
January 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Qodrn1 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
More Senior Bowl stuff.
Oakland Raiders Senior Bowl Snippets
Byron Lambert, Rosterwatch.com
Raider’s scouts spent quite a bit of time with big powerful Baylor RB, Terrance Ganaway. Michael Bush replacement?
They were also looking hard at LBs. This was evidenced when I walked by Miami LB, Sean Spence, and his agent,the notorious Drew Rosenhaus, speaking at length with Raider’s personnel.
A couple other interesting Raider’s niblets, straight from the scouts: They are somewhat disappointed in Rolando McClain to this point. Aaron Curry was a good pick up and he played well. The Raiders were happy with the development of young DBs Chimdi Chekwa and Demarcus Van Dyke.
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Good. Enough of this “Move Huff to CB” crapola. And yes, Curry was a good pickup at a great price. Now tell Rolando to quit thuggin’ it and start playing football again.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
A couple other interesting Raider’s niblets, straight from the scouts: They are somewhat disappointed in Rolando McClain to this point.
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They better be disappointed. Shoot they can put a uni and pads on me, put me out there and I can do nothing.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
@550
Good points and I forgot about CP not getting the face time with his “QB Coach”
Seems like he would be pretty excited about throwing to DHB, Ford and Moore.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
2012 Sched…
pitts–Winnable with CP’s Knowledge of their D
jaguars –Definitely Winnable
Browns–Definitely Winnable
Saits –Tough game for our secondary as currently constituted (potential for better D with out new coach but tough)
Buccanners–Definitely Winnable
ravens –Winnable with CPs experience and their aging D, but a toughie
Miami–Winnable, but we always seem to lose in Miami for somereason
bengals–Winnable with the CP revenge factor*
falcons–Toughie, pretty good offense to compete with our, ‘ahem’ defense
panthers–Definitely winnable
Division foes–
Broncos could be swept b/c we got their main defensive coach.
discharges could be swept, Norv Turner.
cheifs–We split because of their tough D and our inability to cove Bowe.
4 Definitely winnable games
8 Winnable games
Division–Ours for the taking, but assuming we split:
3-3, thats puts us at a range from 7-9 to 11-5.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
277.Hardline Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
John Tweedy, #274,
I’ll tell you another time Tweedy; I know my posts are being watched.
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Todd Haley?
January 29th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Tom Cable and Hue Jackson were fired after 8-8 records the last two seasons, and more job security is not the only thing new head coach Dennis Allen will have that they didn’t. GM Reggie McKenzie said Allen will be allowed to pick his coaching staff, whereas Al Davis used to select many of the assistant coaches. Will he do it Monday, at his meet the RaiderNation news conference?
The first name on Allen’s list was Chiefs’ defensive backs coach Emmitt Thomas, who talked with the Raiders about their defensive coordinator position, a league source said. But Fox Sports reported Friday night that Thomas is no longer in the mix.
Thomas, 68, is a Hall of Fame cornerback who was a defensive coordinator for the Eagles, Packers and Vikings from 1995-2001 and was Allen’s mentor when both were on the Falcons’ staff from 2002-05.
On the other side of the ball, 2011 offensive coordinator Al Saunders is the only Raiders assistant coach still under contract. He was at the Senior Bowl practices last week representing the Raiders.
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January 29th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
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January 29th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
@ 546….yeah Bush you probably right. Trying to forget how bad that look. Down right embarrassing
January 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Awesome news on Saunders. He most assuredly is still on staff as the OC if he’s at the Senior Bowl scouting.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Dorian, I like your handle but you didn’t address my comments last night (intangables that thwarted success for Palmer). . .you just added something about throwing outside the hash marks to WR’s. . .when healthy & when Hubris allowed Kevin Boss to line up @ TE Carson was throwing hella seam routes to the aforementioned Boss (see TD against the dischargers) & Marcel Reese (everyone on this blog knows how I feel about Reese). . .nothing about his arm talent. . .as a matter of fact nobody has commented on that. . .could that mean everyone is in agreement?
Okay, here we go. . .we hear Mike Mayock refer to a QB being able to make all the throws. . .but arm talent is the ability to accurately hit on throws with the pass rush ensuing, or on the move; not only the strength to hit the deep out but to put the ball on the spor the QB is intending the WR to converge on to complete the pass. . .
Of course bereft of OTA’s training camp & a whole NFL regular season may detract from that. . .it’s one thing to be a “stat guy” and evaluate on that basis. . .it’s another thing to size up the tangable & intangables of a situation & provide future conjecture. . .the only game that seemed an apt analysis on what the future can bring was the discharger game on Thursday, Nov. 10. . .the running game was clicking, a threat from three WR spots existed (until Jacoby Ford, resident Raider diva WR), forcing the dischargers to play the Raiders offense “honest.” I’m not including the Raiders pass rush because Marcus McNeil was hurt & the dischargers couldn’t provide an adequate backup plan. The roles were reversed on that front when the dischargers found an early Christmas Present inJared Gaither under their Christmas tree.
BTW; why not trade the aforementioned Ford & sign Stevie Johnson? He could be the possession WR the Raiders dearly need. . .I firmly believe Denarious Moore will have a greater impact on the game than Mike Wallace. . .Moore has better movenemt skills (but not deep speed or acceleration), is a better route runner & is better with the ball in the air. . .he will be a bonifide #1 WR. . .then DHB goes up against the #3 CB, a decided mismatch. . .all the while the LB’s don’t know how to play the situation, regardless if it is DMAC, Michael Bush or, say, Lamar Miller or Taiwan Jones @ the TB. . .just a bit of an upgrade on the right side of the Oline & the Raiders have a “video game” offense. . .play action all day long. . .just stay with the Air Coryell attack!
January 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
“You climb obstacles like old people f*ck.” So many great lines.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
551.Raiders for life Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
A quote from full metal jacket. (edited)
Gunnery Sergeant Dennis Allen: “Are you quitting on me? Well, are you? Then quit, you slimy fuking walrus-looking piece of sh1t. Get the fck off of my field! Get the fck down off of my obstacle! NOW! MOVE IT! Or I’m going to rip your balls off, so you cannot contaminate the rest of the world! I will motivate you”
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Then, like the movie, Rolando will shoot him in the restroom.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Tie Rolando to the bed and beat him with bars of soap wrapped in a towel.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Twocents Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
“You climb obstacles like old people f*ck.” So many great lines
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My favorite line is “How can you shoot women and children? Easy, you just don’t lead them to much”
Anyways, back to football…..
DJ seems pretty optimistic about Saunders. I would be good with that.
January 29th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
[...] Dennis Allen will officially be introduced as the new head coach of the Oakland Raiders. Of the many questions he’ll be asked there is one that should be a short and to the point answer. Will he retain the services of Al [...]
January 29th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Watching the Pro Bowl, Awkward molment when Ben Rothlestburger goes shakes Ray Lewis Hand looks to his right, sees Richard Seymour and just looks away hella fast. Ha that fool could still fill that punch.
January 29th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Phillip Rivers still throwing Ints i see smh and he is a probowler pfttt
January 29th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Try Some Reality Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
My money’s on Seattle. They seem to have an appetite for our players as of late. Tom Cable?
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Can’t imagine any teams front office targeting our players, or coaches.
We didn’t exactly raise the bar anywhere for teams to covet our players.
Just a coincidence.
January 29th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
If McKenzie can get us into the middle of third round with the cr*p we have to offer, he will have done well.
I’m not talking about trading Palmer or McFadden.
January 29th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Ok then
January 29th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Seattle wouldn’t touch Campbell.Do you think Cable has forgotten how he had to repeatedly bench the guy for Gradkowski?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
I was “banned” for like a week and I have never said anything wrong here, even if I often wanted to.
So what the hell is wrong with you people running this thing?.
I sent an e-mail to Jon Becker a few days ago, never got an answer and remained unable to post.
I had to register again (it didn’t occur to me earlier, duh!)…but man you better take care of this place or people will find somewhere else to go.
I was here back when a post would get 20 replies or so … now you get that many in 10 minutes, so you better have some respecto for us old timers!.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
Prob Bowl defense sure resembles the Raider defense.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
Bob Marley? I never heard you say anything that could possibly get you banned. WTF?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
* respect.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Twocents.
Bob Marley? I never heard you say anything that could possibly get you banned. WTF?.
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I know man, I “keep it clean” all the time so I don’t know what happened.
Hope my little rant doesn’t get me banned again…lol.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Bob,lately I’ve had comments not allowed for no good reason-didn’t attack anyone,didn’t call anyone names,didn’t cuss,actually they weren’t even directed to anyone in particular.Then I read someone attack another poster,talk racist bs,etc. I don’t get what is going on.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
I like “respecto” better.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
There is a great read in today’s LA Times with Rich Gannon speaking about the QB position. He talks about the lack of quality QB coaching, his experiences in the past, examples of how little some QBs in the league today can speak about protections and other details in running a play, and overall the difference between a QB that is properly prepared and one that’s not.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
This is where I think the Raiders will be greatly improved. Advance scouts that dissect the opponents offense and defense. A HC that has the authority to devise game plans that exploits those tendencies.
A whole new era.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Twocents Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
The other great thing about the Raiders becoming a real NFL franchise and not just part of the Al Davis fantasy league, we will actually spend some bucks on a QB coach.
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Yeah.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Ohio, you actually take the time to read what people are saying. I am impressed.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
What the hell is with Newton’s untucked jersey? Completely unprofessional.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 28th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
And yes, Al “played to win” every year, and that was the problem. Towards the end of his life, he didn’t want to do the necessary building that all championship contenders do. It was always quick fix this and slap a patch over that. The result: the mismatched parts we now have on our roster.
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Repectfully disagree Duck. Davis constructed, mostly thru the later half of the draft, one of the most talented Raider teams ever fielded.
Tyvon, Shaughnessy, Mike Bush, Denarius Moore, Jacoby Ford,Veldheer, Narcel Reece ect ect
That the thing about Oakland, people are always going to see the same thing completely opposite because of people with mis-info and media with grudges.
Davis gambled but even those who love Oakland and hated Davis are going to miss him whether they like it or admit it.
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Wrong. Davis exited this mortal coil is going to save the franchise. Watch Mark and Reggie dismantle just about every philosophy the old man was pathetically clinging to. It’s a new day in Raiderland.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:24 pm
I have a good feeling about this Dennis Allen guy.
Not much of a track record but I’ll say one thing, I watched a couple of Denver games and came away impressed with their Defense.
You can never overlook the fact that John Fox was there but maybe this kid is the real deal.
Now Dennis Allen has more talent to work with here than what they have in Denver, the Defense should get better fast if this kid is a bright as he seems to be.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
Ohio, you and I are on the same page.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
I would like to see Sea Bass try a 70 yarder in this game.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
no matter what you haterz say this is al davis’ team…
January 29th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Qodrn1 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
More Senior Bowl stuff.
Oakland Raiders Senior Bowl Snippets
Byron Lambert, Rosterwatch.com
“The Raiders were happy with the development of young DBs Chimdi Chekwa and Demarcus Van Dyke.”
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Byron doesn’t know what hes talking about there.
What development?!
Chekwa saw barely a handful of plays all year. When we finally got into camp, late, he was injured drill day one so had no time to learn and develop.
He injured a hammy during the season when he did finally get field time in Oaklands decimated secondary.
Speaking of, DVD stayed healthier in part because players like Joe Porter and 7th round Jerome Boyd saw time over DVD. Oakland even had to sign Lito Sheppard
to not only help stem the tide of injuries but because DVD was not ready to step up in any way shape or form and if McKenzie watches tape of the few times DVD was allowed on the field his gut is going to tell him DVD is the lousiest tackler Oakland has fielded since DeAngelo Hall.
Even if Byron was lied to, as a reporter he should’;ve KNOWN better than to report this obvious fiction.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Defensive lineman aren’t even trying to rush the passer in the Pro Bowl. How lame.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
olinesux Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
no matter what you haterz say this is al davis’ team
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Regret being the one to tell you, Mr. Davis died.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
591. They’re not allowed by rule
January 29th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
591. They’re not allowed by rule
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I thought they weren’t allowed to blitz. The can still rush the passer, right?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Even if Byron was lied to, as a reporter he should’;ve KNOWN better than to report this obvious fiction.
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And you know this due to all your discussions with the coaches and scouts?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Anyone see Winston Moss on the sidelines?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
585. Ohio Raider, the truth is Davis’ dated ole antiquated ways a myth furthered by ignorant people who don’t know enuff about football OR the truth.
Davis’ dated old school deep ball philosphy is back with a vengeance in case you hadn’t noticed (and you hadn’t)12 teams threw for 4,000+ yds in 2010 and 9 teams in 2011 including 2 teams that threw for 5,000 yds (!!) Oakland was 36 yds away from throwing for 4,000 yds themselves.
Davis fielded more diverse football teams than given credit for by lazy journalists who simply pass off myth rather than research.
“D coach Davis ran the same stale D over and over and over” Another myth.
Oakland won all 3 Super Bowl Champioships running 3-4.
They also ran variations on Tampa 2-3, fire zone blitzes, Wolverine packages, 5-2 and 3-4 overload looks in recent years.
Calling Davis stale and dated is common, but it is also incorrect.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
Anyone see Winston Moss on the sidelines?
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Is he wearing Raider gear?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:44 pm
594. I think you’re right. I’m not sure…don’t watch the PB much.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
598. lol! No sh*t! That would be something!
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lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Even if Byron was lied to, as a reporter he should’;ve KNOWN better than to report this obvious fiction.
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And you know this due to all your discussions with the coaches and scouts?
January 29th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
589.olinesux Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
no matter what you haterz say this is al davis’ team…
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Truth…
January 29th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
600. Sorry, No I know this because I used reason, facts and logic.
No camp or limited camp = less prep time for rooks
No playing time due to injury or inability also = less live fire experience.
Maybe they got better at working out and studying but to say anyone in the org was “pleased” with how these two developed is glossing over these facts or blowing steam because clearly, thru fate or fortune NEITHER was able to progress much at ALL.
January 29th, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Chekwa went on the IR,I believe.DVD was injured but stayed on the active roster.You had an incompetent DC and an incompetent HC.Both those players could have made nice strides in practice that we as fans didn’t get to see.So it is in fact fiction to say it didn’t happen unless you saw it or talked to someone who would refute the statement.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Condo showing some sick hustle on special teams.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
603. Whatever Lefty. Logic, reason and deductive thinking are beyond you apparently.
HOW could coaches know if Chekwa was progressing if he could practive, and couldn’t play but a handulf of practices and plays?
IF Van Dyke was making good progress they’d have played his azz when we had a secondary so incredibly decimated.
Eugene out, Johnson out, Mitchell out, Chekwa out, Huff bad ankle all year.
You just flat don’t want to accept it because you need your info spoon fed by a talking head
January 29th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
John Condo for Pro Bowl MVP
January 29th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Chekwa I like. DVD? The guy needs to add bulk but he shies away from contact and its not even close. In fact, its embarassing.
Said it many times, if hes going to tackle like DeAngleo Hall he better make game chainging picks like him.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
What the hell is with Newton’s untucked jersey? Completely unprofessional.
Real Talk Albert my E gawg it’s a cultural thang you know what I’m sayin
You know the culture I’m talkin bout
Pants r sagging braided hair purple drank type
January 29th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
605. I meant if Chekwa COULDN’T practice…
January 29th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
Lefty said during a playoff game in which the NYG defense shut the opposing offense to 0 points, “The NYG are winning because of offense”
Not that is not a joke he really did…
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RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
603. Whatever Lefty. Logic, reason and deductive thinking are beyond you apparently.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:10 pm
WOW!
Ok, if you watched the pro bowl today you might want to examine your life…
Just sayin.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
I watched it for about a minute, saw Rodgers catch his own blacked pass
January 29th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Er *blocked pass
January 29th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Do you know anything about league rules?A guy can be IR’ed,but he is still allowed to practice or take part in team activities.Someone could be raw and not ready to play his first year,but show great improvement during the year which could have been the case with DVD.Johnson was the only starting CB injured,so saying we were decimated by injuries is false,unless you throw in DVD.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Cam Newton looks like he doesn’t belong in the Pro Bowl.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Lefty, do you miss giving tj reach-arounds in here for hours at a time ?
January 29th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
pro bowl should be renamed pro sham….
January 29th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
607-exactly,they both need to improve.However,saying they didn’t without seeing them in practice or directly talking to those who did see what they were doing during the year and then saying they didn’t make progress is wrong.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Cam Newton sucks.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
Brandon Marshall just said his QBs in Miami suck.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Cam Newton with perhaps the worst performance in Pro Bowl history.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Newton may never recover from this performance. I think his career is over.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
WTF? ‘Could Peyton Manning End up With the Raider in 2012′
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1043938-could-peyton-manning-end-up-with-the-raiders-in-2012
January 29th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Its funny how some guys like to come on and try and disrupt the football conversations.I guess they get jealous because they can’t partake in any knowledgable discussion.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Still waiting for a 60 plus Janikowski field goal.
January 29th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Watching a zombie show on TV, looks a lot like the Raider defense,….
January 29th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
What a great Pro Bowl. Can’t wait till next year!
January 29th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Do you know anything about league rules?A guy can be IR’ed,but he is still allowed to practice or take part in team activities.Someone could be raw and not ready to play his first year,but show great improvement during the year which could have been the case with DVD.Johnson was the only starting CB injured,so saying we were decimated by injuries is false,unless you throw in DVD.
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Again, Lefty, Whatever. You’re scenario based on nothing much better than mine based on facts and logic.
“Nuh-uh! You weren’t there!” is a childish argument.
“U ask me “Do you even know the rules?”
YOU don’t and again, YOU DON;T KNOW WHAT YOU’RE TALKING ABOUT.
EXHIBIT A:
Players on Injured Reserve
According to the official NFL injured reserve rules, once a player is placed on the I.R. list, he is unable to return to play until the end of his team’s current schedule. Furthermore, he may not practice with his team until the conclusion of that season
Read more: NFL Injured Reserve Rules | eHow.com http://www.ehow.com/facts_4779535_nfl-injured-reserve-rules.html#ixzz1kuTgwBYh
January 29th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Lefty? Oh Lefty? I’m sorry, did someone funny come in and disrupt our football conversation?
Pretty sure you don;t think its funny but I”m kind of starting to…funny and a lil sad now.
We’re all rooting for the same team but dude, U copped a tude and liked ta got dealt wit.
Raiders baby and yeah, Oakland will be looking adding a CB thiss off season.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
I swear, if we trade McFadden I’m done. I have been a part of the Raider Nation since the early 80’s, through the good, the bad and the really ugly; this however I think would through me over the edge. IMO, Darren McFadden is the most talented running back in the league. I know he has been prone to injuries, but so has the rest of the team. The injuries have become somewhat of a trend with this team. I think that say’s a lot about the of training staff and with the length this sometime routine injuries linger as long as they do, it also says something about of medical staff as well. I think before taking a shot in the dark on a draft pick, because that is exactly what the draft has become (Less than 25% of first rounder’s become regular starters in the league and less than 5% make Pro Bowl status), we upgrade the training and medical staff and see what this offense can become when together and healthy.
As for Palmer, I am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a full offseason with our young explosive players. A lot of you guy’s on here complain so much about him, saying idiotic comments like sign Matt Flynn (Who has done absolutely nothing for anyone to think he would be an upgrade over Palmer, He sat the bench behind JaGarbage for god’s sake), but I think for a guy that was sitting on his couch halfway through the season, to come in and learn a new offence, timing with a whole new set of guys, he did a pretty damn good job.
I think if we upgrade a couple of offensive linemen, we could have one of the most explosive offenses in the league.
As for the defense, we need some help. I do think we have a lot of talented guys on that side of the ball, but I do agree we need to add a couple of big pieces. I like the hire of Allen, from what I have read he seems like a guy who demands accountability and with the right scheme and direction this Defense can be really good or at least attainable.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
WTF? ‘Could Peyton Manning End up With the Raider in 2012′
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No. Now no one needs to read that article.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
631. lol! Exactly. Bleacher report?! Worse than any blog because some people actually believe it has some kind of journalistic value. What a joke.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Good night Lefty
January 29th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
629-obviously you are one of those who was banned and had to return under a different name because you couldn’t carry on a civil conversation with someone.It probably won’t be long before your name disappears and you’ll have to come up with a new one.Guys like you just can’t help yourselves.Players may not be able to practice with the team but how often have you read how someone is working with the trainers or assistant coaches on the side?Do you believe once a player is put on IR they no longer get coached up by the staff?Unless you have witnessed what a player has done or talked to someone who was working with said player,you don’t know sh!t.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
I’ve noticed Alias hasn’t been here in a while.Could you be one of his new ones?
January 29th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Is it possible when someone has been banned and then comes back under a different name but is called out on the new name the mods will act quickly and get rid of them right away?It sure would go a long ways towards cleaning this place up and making it enjoyable once again.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
I’m now watching a show about Bigfoot – I heard them say they were going to stop looking for Bigfoot and look for the Raiders Defense, they say it’s a rarer animal,…
January 29th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Lefty12, I’ve only been reading this blog for about 2 years, for what it’s worth I’ve always enjoyed reading your comments.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
What the hell is with Newton’s untucked jersey? Completely unprofessional.
Real Talk Albert my E gawg it’s a cultural thang you know what I’m sayin
You know the culture I’m talkin bout
Pants r sagging braided hair purple drank type
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Too busy watching that perfect spiral he threw to Steve Smith.
His passes look professional enough. I mean, are some of you people for real with this?
January 29th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
As for Palmer, I am looking forward to seeing what he can do with a full offseason with our young explosive players. A lot of you guy’s on here complain so much about him, saying idiotic comments like sign Matt Flynn (Who has done absolutely nothing for anyone to think he would be an upgrade over Palmer, He sat the bench behind JaGarbage for god’s sake), but I think for a guy that was sitting on his couch halfway through the season, to come in and learn a new offence, timing with a whole new set of guys, he did a pretty damn good job.
I think if we upgrade a couple of offensive linemen, we could have one of the most explosive offenses in the league.
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Really hoping the guy comes in to his own and becomes another Rich Gannon and not another Jeff George.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
For Life-thanks.I try and keep my comments on football and not personally go after people.When someone like Brown attacks me I try and ignore them.I don’t expect my views to be accepted by everyone,just as I don’t accept everyone else’s.I enjoy coming here and talking Raider football.That is what this place is supposed to be all about.
January 29th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Newton may never recover from this performance. I think his career is over.
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Yeah, throwing for the most passing yardage for a rookie in NFL history means this guy is a complete and total bust.
awesome….
January 29th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Ha ha ha, Albert Puss watched the Pro Bowl!
First of all, I can’t believe his mom let him. You know that after the Raider’s season ends for the 6 months of underwear he’s soiled.
But then gossiping about it on the blog …
Love you, Puss! Don’t ever change!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
What the hell is with Newton’s untucked jersey? Completely unprofessional.
Real Talk Albert my E gawg it’s a cultural thang you know what I’m sayin
You know the culture I’m talkin bout
Pants r sagging braided hair purple drank type
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Too busy watching that perfect spiral he threw to Steve Smith.
His passes look professional enough. I mean, are some of you people for real with this?
There is no amount perfect spirals that can cover what he really is ya dig
Real Talk dis J will end up like the rest of his kind… Broke and addicted
January 29th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Pro Bowl was boring. Next year they should wear flags and avoid tackling.
Yo Beech, what’s the word on the streets with a mixtape? No dope samples to listen to?
Sean Spence from the University of Miami…I hope we draft him!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
RaiderSam Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 8:45 pm
John Tweedy Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
Albert Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
What the hell is with Newton’s untucked jersey? Completely unprofessional.
Real Talk Albert my E gawg it’s a cultural thang you know what I’m sayin
You know the culture I’m talkin bout
Pants r sagging braided hair purple drank type
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Too busy watching that perfect spiral he threw to Steve Smith.
His passes look professional enough. I mean, are some of you people for real with this?
There is no amount perfect spirals that can cover what he really is ya dig
Real Talk dis J will end up like the rest of his kind… Broke and addicted
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You’ll be watching him…he damn sure won’t be watching you.
Grow up, and either play the game, or respect those that PLAY THE GAME, PAID THEIR DUES TO GET THERE.
Always some spoil sport that takes the ball and goes home , because they can’t deal with the REALITY of todays athlete.
Please be mindful of the Respectful commentary – ya dig?
Thank you on behalf of true sports fans everywhere for your respect for other fans who simply enjoy the game they once played themselves.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
raider fans are hard on people i swear . 2nd year player with a bad defensive coordinator ROLANDO MCCLAIN is a total bust in yur eyes. Carson palmer comes outta retirement & u exoect him to led raiders to superbowl without darren mcfadden. rookie coach hue jackson goes 8 -8 and he just sucks horendously . i tell ya, if u had sex with halle berry and she didnt swallow, youd rate her a 6 and say her sex was awful.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
johntweedy knows that other meth using , color hating caucasians find his posts amusing . he wont be banned.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Dorian, you could include DHB on that list.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Regarding Carson Palmer.
I don’t think any QB has ever dealt with a situation quite like the one Palmer faced last season.
To come in the middle of week 6, into a playoff race, without any professional preparation at all (conditioning and strenght), without any kind of chemistry with his Offensive Line, WR’s TE’s and RB’s, to have the team’s best player and some other key contributors go down and with the pressure to perform after a blockbuster trade.
Considering all the stuff he had to deal with, Carson Palmer did a heck of a job.
QB is not a problem for this team, we’re set for at least the next 2-3 years with Palmer and we have a young, talented project learning behind him.
An experienced back-up should be signed for next season in case Carson has to miss some time, but Palmer is the present and Pryor is the future.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Doriangray Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
raider fans are hard on people i swear . 2nd year player with a bad defensive coordinator ROLANDO MCCLAIN is a total bust in yur eyes. Carson palmer comes outta retirement & u exoect him to led raiders to superbowl without darren mcfadden. rookie coach hue jackson goes 8 -8 and he just sucks horendously . i tell ya, if u had sex with halle berry and she didnt swallow, youd rate her a 6 and say her sex was awful.
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Dorian, its the internet age, where everybody knows anything and hates everything.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Bob,the only thing I would add to your comment is-HOPEFULLY Pryor is the future.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
626.Raiderbuck Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Watching a zombie show on TV, looks a lot like the Raider defense,….
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Zombies would be a huge upgrade. They’re aggressive, hungry and relentless.
We could only wish for a “Zombie” defense.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
Yo yo yo, mixtapes are wiggity wiggity wack
I once made a mixtape of reggae jams and traded it for a Quizno’s sub. I ripped that dude off.
Yo, my street crew The Certified Platinum Posse just arrived at the penthouse for a mad recording session and to join me in a Tae Bo workout.
I wrote this hot new jam while I was getting a cappuccino enema this afternoon, check it:
Smoking a straight up doobie
aka marijuana, which’ll get you sent to juvie (as in juvenile hall)
So kick back and watch a movie
Then nourish your abs with a healthy smoothie
TWIZZLE?
January 29th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
i can just picture the president barak cnn speech about the zombie- issue .. ” uhh , my fellow americans , we have a slight situation going on with the undead , but if theres any indication , that uhh ..”
January 29th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
And I’d rather have Carson Palmer as my QB than a 1st round pick this year and a 2nd round pick next year.
People here like draft picks because they love to spend 3 months playing GM and busting out mock drafts and looking for sleepers, I know because I love it too.
But the Draft isn’t the only way to build a team, undrafted players and free agents play a huge role as well, specially with a team like ours full of early draft picks with talent, some more than others, we needed a professional QB more than 2 more young kids who may or may not pan out.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
SD game, with momentum on our side, down only 31-26 with SD at their own 1/2 yd. line, they get that quick 20 yd. pop for a first with 6′4 Malcom Floyd easily outjumping Lito, SD hands off to freakin’ Tolbert and he bowls over I don’t know how many Raiders for a 42 yd. gain to put the proverbial “dagger” in our backs.
That one run by Tolbert spoke volumes. Seemed like Raiders didn;t even try hard to tackle him. I mean, how many 42 yd runs did Tolbert have this year?
The season on the line and the Raiders had long since given up. It’s as if they KNEW they wouldn’t/couldn’t stop them and they just said “uncle”.
I look forward to that kind of crap… stopping.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:45 pm
Lefty.
Bob,the only thing I would add to your comment is-HOPEFULLY Pryor is the future.
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Well, at this point we can only hope.
In GB they could only hope Rodgers was the future and he turned out great, in Philly they hoped Kolb was the future and they turned him into a 2nd round pick and starting caliber DB.
Point is, we have a young kid with some talent learning the job and getting ready for his shot, will Pryor be a hit or a miss? we’ll have to wait, but at least there’s a plan, unless Reggie decides he can’t play QB.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Lefty12,keep up the good fight,WITH YA,RAIDERS!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
I once made a mixtape of reggae jams and traded it for a Quizno’s sub. I ripped that dude off.
lmao
January 29th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
Hey blog losers, just thought i’d let u know what i’m doing tonight.
I just got done shopping for my 320 lb. wife. Had to pick up a razor for her so she could shave that mop under her arms…diggity, schliggity do.
And yo, check this, some old lady ran her cart into mine and then she slapped me and told and called me a “young punk whippersnapper”. I apologized profusely while she continued to threaten and chase me all the way back to my sweet ride- a ‘92 Corolla. Yo shlippity, nippity, doo dah.
When I got home my fat wife made me get on all fours and out an enema to use on myself. Yo word.
Then I had a cup of hot cocoa to celebrate how cool I am while watching a re-run of Marhta Stewart Living.
Yo, shizzle me timbers.
You dorks wish u had it as good as me.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Hendu,I’m just trying to do what you and most of us are here for and want to do and that is talk Raider football.
January 29th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Yo yo yo just got super baked on a joint of marijuana and popped on Juwanna Man.
For all you blog zeros, this flick is GUARANTEED to help you seal the deal, word
January 29th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
But the Draft isn’t the only way to build a team, undrafted players and free agents play a huge role as well, specially with a team like ours full of early draft picks with talent, some more than others, we needed a professional QB more than 2 more young kids who may or may not pan out.
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Correction, I should have said early round Draft picks are not the only way to build a team …
Let’s look at the “Draft masters” in New England.
Over the last 3 drafts, when Belichick went nust and started stockpiling picks, the New England Patriots have selected 17 players in the first 3 rounds.
That’s right , 17 players taken in rounds 1-2-3
You know how many start for them?.
5.
5 out of 17 players and the only difference-maker among them is Rob Gronkowski, their highest pick LB Jerod Mayo is a pretty good player but not exactly an All-Pro, LB Brandon Spikes is a decent starter as is the often injured Safety Patrick Chung.
Aaron Hernandez was a 4th round pick, in case you were wondering.
2nd and 3rd round picks from this year, RB’s Shane Vereen and Stevan Ridley were healthy inactives last week.
Veteran free agents nobody wanted like G Brian Waters and DE Andre Carter were among their best players this year.
Undrafted players and journeymen like DL Kyle Love and LB Rob Ninkovich often play big roles for them.
So, draft picks are a bit overrated, specially early draft picks.
I’ll take Carson Palmer for a 1st and a 2nd.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:11 pm
Yo goobers, the Beeech Dawgettes just came back from their shift at Spearmint Rhino with a case of Moet Chandon and the Alien box set.
Guess that means I’ve gotta satisfy 4 smoking hot strippers all night once again, might have to get a blood transfusion for my weiner in the am
CAN’T FIGHT THE FLAVOR OF A PRINGLE
January 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Meanwhile, the humiliation of Hue continues, as Jim Caldwell just got his old QB Coach job in Baltimore. I’m seriously thinking we’ll next see Hue in the UFL.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
629-obviously you are one of those who was banned and had to return under a different name because you couldn’t carry on a civil conversation with someone.It probably won’t be long before your name disappears and you’ll have to come up with a new one.Guys like you just can’t help yourselves.Players may not be able to practice with the team but how often have you read how someone is working with the trainers or assistant coaches on the side?Do you believe once a player is put on IR they no longer get coached up by the staff?Unless you have witnessed what a player has done or talked to someone who was working with said player,you don’t know sh!t.
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Awww Wefty!
I’m sorry you can’t handle being schooled. This is quite the screaming hissy and I didn’t even include the repeated calls to ban me or ban me again.
Sheesh Mary so you were dead wrong saying “Players on IR can practice” Thats one of the things the Pats were in trouble for and more rules since me thinks but anyway, I digress.
My name on here WAS GoodOle00 until someone started posting anti raider crap as GoodOle and later “formerly GoodOle00″
I posted several times my NEW name change but guess you missed it studying up on those IR rules and regs…
I cannot believe you still tried to deflect and redirect with points select rather than the entirety of fact presented.
I apologize for my antagonistic tone.
I demonstrated beyond a reasonable doubt with facts reason and logic but you’re not hearing it because you can’t admit you’re wrong.
Not my problem.
Try not to let it bug you and have a good week, its just a blog and we both like the raiders…its just that one of us knows more about them than the other….lol!
Just kidding Lefty12 and btw, Stabler was awesome…
January 29th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Hopefully tomorrow at the press conference we will get a glimpse as to whether the team will continue to operate under the cloud of secrecy or will be more open with its ongoings.So far it seems it is business as usual.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
664. with u on that marley
January 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Meanwhile, the humiliation of Hue continues, as Jim Caldwell just got his old QB Coach job in Baltimore. I’m seriously thinking we’ll next see Hue in the UFL.
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IMO, that’s really too bad. He didn’t deserve that. Did he make some mistakes? Yes he did. Did he get a little carried away and power hungry? Yes he did. Did he significantly help turn the Raiders around? Yes he did. Did he work under one of the most uncomfortable dysfunctional organization hierarchy in the NFL? Yes he did. On the surface, was he a good ambassador and face for the Raiders? Yes he was. Should he be castigated by other organizations for what he accomplished while at Oakland? No he shouldn’t be. Should he be looked down upon by other NFL teams for other reasons? Can’t answer that question because I don’t know his history.
To summarize, I think Hue gave his all as best he could while at Oakland. He portrayed a good face for the Oakland Raiders. He was a great team cheerleader. I also feel he was put in an untenable situation, especially after AD passed away. His actions, after the fact, seem to be that which is being held against him. Some think his trade for CP was outrageous while others think it was one of the best things he could have done for the team going forward. I’m in the latter group. I kind of wish Reggie would have given him another year at the helm. But, as most of us feel, that was really a decision made by the new owner and not Reggie. I’m sure there were valid reasons to let him go but we’ll never know how Hue would have worked out given the opportunity with a real GM involved to help him along.
Good luck Hue. I hope you catch on with some other NFL team. At a minimum, you deserve that.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I’m of the opinion its pretty obvious Oakland is going to operate the exact same way it has with the media based on…
How long it took for them to announce Allen’s hire after it had been announced days b4.
Reg and Mark were remarkably candid about many things like wishing they had those Palmer picks, and typically vague about others like direction and staff.
Al Davis wasn’t mentioned by Mark or Reggie much if at all. We’ll see if Allen does.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
You were correct,they are not allowed to participate with the team,but they are allowed to be with the team.When they are with the team do you suppose they are getting some sort of coaching or do you believe they are just bystanders watching?Why have you heard so often that a player is seen on the other field working with trainers?As far as getting ‘worked’,I don’t play that childish game,I leave that to you youngsters since it seems to be so important to you.Just don’t come here ,make a supposition,and proclaim it as facts.As I said,unless you talked to a coach or scout to verify your OPINION,it is just that and you know what they say about opinions.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
Man that pro bowl was pathetic. Just a big waste of time. No defense what so ever, of course it isn’t smash mouth but what the heck. Wasted the whole day watching a bunch of millionaires on vacation. Was that a reality show or what. Can blame ‘em for not wanting to break a leag or somethin, but u know the real star wasn’t there. Brady and Manning. No Giants defense was there. Pro bowl = NFL exclusive party in Hawaii. Man, can it get any better. What was the attendance? 500 or somethin. Good ol’ boy back scratchin, pro bowl. Cant wait. So whats it mean AFC get home field in the suppa bowl? Well at least I got it on tape so I can watch it again. I’ll break it down and give a full analysis in the A.M. I mean seriously, com’on. Lechler makes the pro bowl and not even a punt? Defense isn’t allowed to hit, and I can’t blame them cuz u don’t want to ruin a guys career at the stupid pro bowl. Just party out, forget the game, cuz its not a game. Just Rivers tossin the ball around. That is not football. Everyone havin fun, thats cool. 100 points scored, you know they are takin the D out of the pro bowl. Dont blame’em. No D in the pro bowl. At that rate, our very own chucky b should have been there. Whats goin on man. Well, time to take out the trash, crack a cold can of pop, sit down in front of the telli with my note pad and study this lousy pro bowl game. Yessiree it was a game for the ages and then some. Classic football at its best and worst all wrapped up in a hot dog bun. Back to the pro bowl game gents. You’ll here all about it. Every excrusiating last bit of play by play analysis with commentary.
http://www.nfl.com/gamecenter/2012012900/2011/PRO21/nfc-pro-bowl@afc-pro-bowl#menu=highlights&tab=analyze
Check out this link for starters and tell me what you think. There are some stats left out. Wonder if the commercials had to pay as much as they do during regular season. Man that game stunk. If turkeys could be kept in suspense, they would of lined up single file and said get me outta here cuz this game stinks.
But we gonna break it down for ya.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Anyone think that pro bowl is gonna be instant classic?
January 29th, 2012 at 10:54 pm
Ben Roethlisberger finds A.J. Green for a 34-yard touchdown to cut the lead to 14-7.
REEEEAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLYYYYYYYYY??????????????
Man that was a barn burner. WHAAAATTT A BBOOOOWWWWWWWLLLLLL………………..
January 29th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
Allen’s to-do list a long one
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, January 28th, 2012 at 2:40 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Recently hired Raiders head coach Dennis Allen will field questions from the media Monday at his introductory news conference in Alameda. That will be just the start of the process of answering questions for the first-time head coach.
Allen inherits a Raiders team that finished 8-8 for the second straight season and one that hasn’t won more than eight games or qualified for the playoffs since 2002.
He is the seventh coach since 2002, when the Raiders finished 11-5 and advanced to the Super Bowl under Bill Callahan. Late Raiders managing general partner Al Davis fired Callahan one season later.
Then came Norv Turner for two seasons, Art Shell for one, Lane Kiffin for one-plus season, Tom Cable and Hue Jackson. What makes Allen a better candidate to get the Raiders back on track for glory? We’re about to find out.
For Allen to succeed, he is going to have to find answers to questions that eluded his many predecessors. Among them:
How to solve the persistent penalties issue. The Raiders are fresh from a season in which they set NFL records for most penalties and penalty yardage in a season.
Jackson promised to get the problem fixed, even if it took him all season. He left town the owner of two ignominious marks and no clue how to break through on a problem that has dogged the Raiders for years.
How to fix the run defense. This was another long-time issue that Jackson promised to fix. Again, he failed. The Raiders allowed 5.1 yards per carry and finished near the bottom of the league in average yards per game.
How to keep Darren McFadden healthy for an entire season. McFadden has yet to make it through a whole season in his four-year NFL career. He missed the final nine games of the 2011 season with a sprained foot.
Allen has to determine whether it’s better to keep McFadden and hope he hits upon the proper recipe to stay healthy for the whole season or if the time is ripe to trade McFadden, while his trade value is high.
The Raiders as of now have only fifth- and sixth-round draft picks in April. McFadden is the player with the most trade value on the Raiders roster. As difficult as it would be to part with McFadden, that might be the only way for the Raiders to recoup some draft picks, though they likely will receive two or three compensatory picks.
Hiring coordinators and the rest of his staff. Allen’s first order of business will be to decide whether to retain offensive coordinator Al Saunders, defensive coordinator Chuck Bresnahan and any of the other assistants who were part of Jackson’s staff.
Defensive line coach Mike Waufle and wide receivers coach Sanjay Lal already signed elsewhere, Waufle with the St. Louis Rams and Lal with the New York Jets.
It seems to make sense for Allen to retain Saunders so that he can enter his first season without having to worry very much about the offense. From there, he could put a ton of energy and attention toward a defense that cost the Raiders several games last season.
Finding some game-changers on defense. Most of the 11 starters, as well as the key reserves, are under contract for 2012. Even so, none of those players is a bonafide impact player along the lines of a Vince Wilfork, Terrell Suggs, Patrick Willis or Justin Smith.
Several players who fit that bill are expected to be available in free agency. It’s imperative that Allen bring in a couple of those players, or risk another season in which the defense shines at times, struggles at others.
What to do with quarterback Carson Palmer. Jackson mortgaged the future by trading for Palmer midway through last season. It’s a trade Jackson had to make, though it’s questionable whether he had to give up a first- and second-round pick to do so.
Either way, Palmer is 32, past his prime and slated to earn $11.5 million in 2012. The easy move would be to keep Palmer and hope Palmer performs at a higher level with the benefit of an entire offseason with the Raiders.
There aren’t many attractive options on the free agent market — Matt Flynn and Jason Campbell are at or near the top of the list.
Second-year player Terrelle Pryor is the only other quarterback under contract on Oakland’s roster — Campbell and Kyle Boller are eligible to become free agents in mid-March.
Campbell has no interest in returning as a backup. However, if Allen decides to part ways with Palmer, Campbell would be a possibility to return for a third season.
Allen likely will have suitable answers for all these questions. Whether they are the right answers remains to be seen. No one knows how Allen is going to pan out as a head coach. It’s just another on a long list of questions that beg answers.
January 29th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Recently hired Raiders head coach Dennis Allen will field questions from the media Monday at his introductory news conference in Alameda. That will be just the start of the process of answering questions for the first-time head coach.
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Good luck with that buddy.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Yo diggity dog my fellow blog
Just ate a spliff while watchin my 75 girlfriends BBQ some juicy meat on the grill.
Then we’ll dust it off with the ‘top 10′ if you can dig that. But only serious lonely partiers allowed.
Then we all goin back for a good time tonight and watchin a re play of the PRO BOWL baby bloggers.
Got a damn fine 32″ color TV we gonna get down, but most of you can’t handle dat.
GET HOPPIN FOR SOME LOLI-POPPIN
January 29th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Questions for Dennis Allen tomorrow:
• Who are your new OC & DC?
• Is CP going to be your starting QB?
• How are you going to fix the penalty problem?
• 3-4 or 4-3?
• Any big trades coming up?
• Any big name releases coming up?
• Any big name FA acquisitions expected?
• Playoffs & division title next year?
• Will your new Raider defense stuff Tebow next year?
I think if we can get answers to these questions tomorrow, we’ll learn all we really need to know right now.
January 29th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Any ya’ll catch dat pro bollz game 2day? Chit was fo real.
Yo U hear’ed it here FIRST baby!!!!!!!
NO NO NO Raidahs in da pro bollz next year fo sho cuzz THEY BE GETTIN PREPARED TO BE PLAYIN IN DA SUPER BOLLZ h-h-h-heelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 29th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Code Black
January 30th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Is anyone out there ?
January 30th, 2012 at 12:43 am
679.JB Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Questions for Dennis Allen tomorrow:
• Who are your new OC & DC?
• Is CP going to be your starting QB?
• How are you going to fix the penalty problem?
• 3-4 or 4-3?
• Any big trades coming up?
• Any big name releases coming up?
• Any big name FA acquisitions expected?
• Playoffs & division title next year?
• Will your new Raider defense stuff Tebow next year?
I think if we can get answers to these questions tomorrow, we’ll learn all we really need to know right now.
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I would be shocked if there was a direct answer to any of those questions, with the possible exception of the OC/DC, and that one will only be answered if the contracts are signed and the guys are in the building working.
January 30th, 2012 at 1:08 am
Raider Nation-Station
NEW!~ 01-30-12: THE 1,2,3 OF DMC
Will the best back in football stay? Will he go or is there another possibility?
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
January 30th, 2012 at 3:00 am
Edward Teach Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 12:43 am
679.JB Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Questions for Dennis Allen tomorrow:
• Who are your new OC & DC?
• Is CP going to be your starting QB?
• How are you going to fix the penalty problem?
• 3-4 or 4-3?
• Any big trades coming up?
• Any big name releases coming up?
• Any big name FA acquisitions expected?
• Playoffs & division title next year?
• Will your new Raider defense stuff Tebow next year?
I think if we can get answers to these questions tomorrow, we’ll learn all we really need to know right now.
my new OC is the same guy. Al Saunders
of course, CP is the starter, unless T.Pryor beats him out
very carefully
4-3
yeah Darren McFadden for Dwight Freeney and a 2012 no .2 pick
Rolando McClain for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
other minor trades, Michael Mitchell to Jacksonville for 4th
Louis Murphy to the Bengals for a 5th
Tommy Kelly?
not too many big names, just Dan Connor (Panthers), Adam Snyder,RT/RG (Niners)
yes, division title next year
yes, of course
-btw, new uniform from Nike for 2012 SUCK, will definitely petition the league to rescind our order and modify for same design.
how’s that for a shock, how about the draft
Melvin Ingram, DE, S.Carolina (from Indy)
Stephen Hill, WR, Geo Tech (from Indy)
Doug Martin, RB, Boise St.
George Iloka, S, Boise St. (from Jacksonville)
Brandon Banks, OG, (from Cincy)
Tony Bergstrom, RT, Stanford (97th overall for Aso)
Brock Osweiler, QB, Arizona St. (our fifth)
Akiem Hicks, DT, Regina Univ (Canada) (fifth for Gallery, compensatory)
Marc Tyler, RB, Southern Cal
January 30th, 2012 at 3:04 am
Wizzle BaDrizzle Fo Yo DaGrizzle Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Any ya’ll catch dat pro bollz game 2day? Chit was fo real.
Yo U hear’ed it here FIRST baby!!!!!!!
NO NO NO Raidahs in da pro bollz next year fo sho cuzz THEY BE GETTIN PREPARED TO BE PLAYIN IN DA SUPER BOLLZ h-h-h-heelllllllllllllllllllllllllllllll yeah!!!!!!!!!!!!!
TAKE IT TO THE BANK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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WEAK AS F%&K
get some new material, if you reppin 5-1-0, puh-leaze.
Andy Milonakis got more swag, poot butt.
January 30th, 2012 at 3:15 am
670.JB Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Meanwhile, the humiliation of Hue continues, as Jim Caldwell just got his old QB Coach job in Baltimore. I’m seriously thinking we’ll next see Hue in the UFL.
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IMO, that’s really too bad. He didn’t deserve that. Did he make some mistakes? Yes he did. Did he get a little carried away and power hungry? Yes he did. Did he significantly help turn the Raiders around? Yes he did. Did he work under one of the most uncomfortable dysfunctional organization hierarchy in the NFL? Yes he did. On the surface, was he a good ambassador and face for the Raiders? Yes he was. Should he be castigated by other organizations for what he accomplished while at Oakland? No he shouldn’t be. Should he be looked down upon by other NFL teams for other reasons? Can’t answer that question because I don’t know his history.
To summarize, I think Hue gave his all as best he could while at Oakland. He portrayed a good face for the Oakland Raiders. He was a great team cheerleader. I also feel he was put in an untenable situation, especially after AD passed away. His actions, after the fact, seem to be that which is being held against him. Some think his trade for CP was outrageous while others think it was one of the best things he could have done for the team going forward. I’m in the latter group. I kind of wish Reggie would have given him another year at the helm. But, as most of us feel, that was really a decision made by the new owner and not Reggie. I’m sure there were valid reasons to let him go but we’ll never know how Hue would have worked out given the opportunity with a real GM involved to help him along.
Good luck Hue. I hope you catch on with some other NFL team. At a minimum, you deserve that.
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Well said!
January 30th, 2012 at 3:22 am
To summarize, I think Hue gave his all as best he could while at Oakland. He portrayed a good face for the Oakland Raiders. He was a great team cheerleader. I also feel he was put in an untenable situation, especially after AD passed away. His actions, after the fact, seem to be that which is being held against him. Some think his trade for CP was outrageous while others think it was one of the best things he could have done for the team going forward. I’m in the latter group. I kind of wish Reggie would have given him another year at the helm. But, as most of us feel, that was really a decision made by the new owner and not Reggie. I’m sure there were valid reasons to let him go but we’ll never know how Hue would have worked out given the opportunity with a real GM involved to help him along.
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One thing’s for sure. The media will be all over Allen if he finishes 7-9 or 6-10, especially Mike Silver. (he was all over Mark Davis because of the Hue Jackson dismissal)
January 30th, 2012 at 4:57 am
So they borrowed The Raiders defensive playbook for
The pro bowl ?……none contact defense … Outstanding ..!…
I can’t wait till our new coachs get busy on our defense ….
It can’t get ant worse than it was last yr…fix our D …
Was happy to see Janakowski enjoying himself lastnight …
January 30th, 2012 at 5:00 am
Anyone know if today’s presser introducing Allen will be televised ?…CSN ?…..
Steve , Jerry ?..
January 30th, 2012 at 5:31 am
The revolution will be televised!!
January 30th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Overthrow Jon Condo!
January 30th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Make way for new blood! So what time is Southwick’s presser?
January 30th, 2012 at 6:00 am
Attn: Terrelle Pryor haters
go stick your d1ck in a blender
January 30th, 2012 at 6:03 am
For Allen to succeed, he is going to have to find answers to questions that eluded his many predecessors. Among them:
How to solve the persistent penalties issue. The Raiders are fresh from a season in which they set NFL records for most penalties and penalty yardage in a season.
Jackson promised to get the problem fixed, even if it took him all season. He left town the owner of two ignominious marks and no clue how to break through on a problem that has dogged the Raiders for years.
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I think Dennis Allen will address this issue. I’m pretty sure he won’t say “what do you want us to do, yell louder?” like the Hue Jackson apologists said was all that could be done.
doubtful Allen says anything even half that retarded!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Rolando McClain for Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie
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my birthday is in April. this would be the best present. make it happen!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Cam Newton went 9/27 yesterday with 3 INT’s
he sucks …
who called it?
RRS!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:08 am
I dont think that Mckenzie & Allen, are going to just stand by and allow Palmer to throw the amount of picks that he threw and still be our starter (no matter how much he cost), these 2-guys appear to be no nonsense, they will go a different route instead of settling for a QB who skills and decision making is on the decline. Hue forced himself to have to rely on Palmer, and probably would have continued the trend next season no matter how Palmer would perform…I dont get the sense of that here with this new staff coming in, they will play the players that will give them a better chance to win without making the mistakes that have cost us. If Palmer is QB-ing he will have to cut way down on his Int’s, because these new guys GM and Coach will not settle for it!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Seabass, Shane & Condo proved to be the difference yesterday …
AFC 59
NFC 41
January 30th, 2012 at 6:12 am
ddwight,
what did you want Hue Jackson to do about the turnovers???
yell a little louder?
LOL – J/K
January 30th, 2012 at 6:16 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Yeah, I heard SeaBass had 11 points in that game! 8 PATs??? Wow!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:23 am
700.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:12 am
ddwight,
what did you want Hue Jackson to do about the turnovers???
yell a little louder?
LOL – J/K
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Again, im just tellin you that this new GM and Coach are gonna change the environment in which the Raiders have failed, there is a new sheriff in town, named Reggie, and I get the feeling that there is not 1 Player on the Raiders that they deem as unexpendable and unless these players get on the bus, and do as these guys want in building a perennial winner, THERE WILL BE A LOT OF CHANGES THAT WILL SHOCK US! Which I believe will be a good change for the Raiders.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Everytime I read someone post “there’s a new sheriff in town” I think of eddie Murphy in 48hours!
There’s a new sheriff in town… and his names Reggie Hammond!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:28 am
DdWIGHT,I AGREE I GUESS.JUST WONDERING WHY THE LAST 6-8 “SHERIFF’S”COULDNT CHANGE THINGS.PENALTYS HAVE BEEN AN ISSUE WITH THE RAIDERS 4EVER.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:28 am
So what time is the presser, 1pm?
January 30th, 2012 at 6:29 am
DIRT LOT, it’s because the last 6-8 weren’t the sheriff, they were just deputies.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:33 am
697.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:08 am
Cam Newton went 9/27 yesterday with 3 INT’s
he sucks …
who called it?
RRS!
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And you would be wrong.
A guy that sets all sorts of rookie records and leads his team to five more wins than they had the year before, doesn’t suck.
You don’t like him, fine. Say so. You sound really foolish when you say he sucks.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:34 am
706.Carl Weathers Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:29 am
DIRT LOT, it’s because the last 6-8 weren’t the sheriff, they were just deputies.
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I couldnt have said it Better!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:34 am
DMAC sucks!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Good Morning Bo! LOL
January 30th, 2012 at 6:41 am
WELL,CALL AL DAVIS WHATEVER U WANT,SHERIFF,MARSHELL,DICTATOR,MANAGER OF THE GENERAL PARTNER.HE WAS IN CHARGE HERE QUITE AWHILE I THINK.PENALTYS WERE A PROBLEM THE ENTIRE TIME.DAMN THINGS DRIVE U CRAZY.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Seymour looked like his normal ‘ferocious’ self yesterday playing paddy cakes with the olineman. lol
January 30th, 2012 at 6:45 am
The probowl reminds me of professional wrestling
January 30th, 2012 at 6:47 am
713.Raiderbuck Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:45 am
The probowl reminds me of professional wrestling
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What a waste,it is the most unwatchable all-star game!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:52 am
A guy that sets all sorts of rookie records and leads his team to five more wins than they had the year before, doesn’t suck.
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ET,
6 wins impresses you?
Cam Newton = Aaron Brooks
did you even watch the guy play yesterday?
hot garbage
January 30th, 2012 at 6:54 am
Funny is that the reason why the Pro Bowl was moved to the week before the Super Bowl is so that fans would remain interested while it kicks off Super Bowl week! I guess that strategy hasn’t worked!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:54 am
712.bcz24 Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Seymour looked like his normal ‘ferocious’ self yesterday playing paddy cakes with the olineman. lol
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Yeah, he looked pathetic. Ray Lewis and others hustling after ballcarriers and really making an effort, and Seymour (looking like he’s put on 30lbs since the season ended), playing patty cake with blockers and doing just enough to stay out of the way. It was embarrassing to watch as a Raider fan.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am
You guys think Reggie will drop the axe on Seymour this season?
January 30th, 2012 at 6:56 am
They still have the pro bowl? SMH.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Yeah, he looked pathetic. Ray Lewis and others hustling after ballcarriers and really making an effort, and Seymour (looking like he’s put on 30lbs since the season ended), playing patty cake with blockers and doing just enough to stay out of the way. It was embarrassing to watch as a Raider fan.
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I mean, he looked no worse than the rest of the DLineman that were there.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:57 am
I will be a tad more interested when we play Carolina next year, good candidate for an early-season prime time game BTW, and also when the two greatest collegiate mobile QB’s face-off, Cam vs Tebow.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Rockstar,
6 wins from a rookie QB whose team was 1-15 the year before impresses me. So does the records he broke while doing it.
I prefer to go with his body of work over an entire season. If you want to determine whether or not he can play based on his performance in one meaningless, end-of-year “all-star” game, go right ahead.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am
The only guy I saw hustling defensively and trying to rush the passer was Von Miller.
January 30th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Seymour looked like his normal ‘ferocious’ self yesterday playing paddy cakes with the olineman.
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Gary Kubiak couldn’t coach him up?
1 tackle = suhweeeett!
January 30th, 2012 at 6:59 am
So now its truly Super Week!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:00 am
720.bcz24 Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Yeah, he looked pathetic. Ray Lewis and others hustling after ballcarriers and really making an effort, and Seymour (looking like he’s put on 30lbs since the season ended), playing patty cake with blockers and doing just enough to stay out of the way. It was embarrassing to watch as a Raider fan.
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I mean, he looked no worse than the rest of the DLineman that were there.
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Dude, there were guys out there trying. Maybe not giving 100%, but trying. Seymour made no effort at all.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Well, Seymour was truly there to gain his $50K!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:02 am
You say Cam Newton sucks but yet tout Terelle Pryor as the next coming of Jesus. Come on man. Unless you are just say Newton sucks because he plays for a team other than the Raiders…
and JFB, you think we are going to acquire Tebow? How are we going to go about this?
January 30th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Dude, there were guys out there trying. Maybe not giving 100%, but trying. Seymour made no effort at all.
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I dont know about that. I saw about 10 minutes of the game and I didnt see one DLman try to do anything but mutually hold each other up with the olman. I counted one play where rodgers had 10 seconds in the pocket, while Freeney was on camera standing there not trying to get to him.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:06 am
and JFB, you think we are going to acquire Tebow? How are we going to go about this?
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No, I was saying I will be intersted to watch the Bronco’s play the Panthers next year and see Cam vs. Tebow.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:09 am
Pro bowl,,, lol. I’ve seen more body contact in Pornos than I’ve seen in a pro bowl. I don’t think I’ve watched a pro bowl since Rich Gannon was our Qb.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:11 am
Haven’t paid attention to a pro bowl for about 20 years…and I was living in Hawaii then…
January 30th, 2012 at 7:14 am
Good morning JFB, RR, HWNrdr, bcz24, Edward, Carl, Dirtlot, NATION!
We get our first look at Allen today.
Saunders
Woodson for PR only
Wiz
Fassel
Bob Wyle
Can stay, the rest need to kick rocks.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:14 am
I will be a tad more interested when we play Carolina next year
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JFB,
as always STUFF THE RUN = WIN THE GAME!!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:15 am
729.bcz24 Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Dude, there were guys out there trying. Maybe not giving 100%, but trying. Seymour made no effort at all.
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I dont know about that. I saw about 10 minutes of the game and I didnt see one DLman try to do anything but mutually hold each other up with the olman. I counted one play where rodgers had 10 seconds in the pocket, while Freeney was on camera standing there not trying to get to him.
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We must have watched a different 10 minute segments, lol. The 10 minutes or so I watched it looked like everyone on defense except Seymour was making an effort. I’ll defer to the 10 minutes or so that you watched, because I obviously didn’t see what you saw.
It’s hard to watch an entire Pro Bowl. I’ve tried it many times and don’t think I’ve ever succeeded. Not exactly riveting television.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Want to make the Pro Bowl a more intriguing watch?
Spend your Sunday night with your boring azz in-laws (like I did), and you won’t mind wathching the Pro Bowl at all!!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:19 am
No, I was saying I will be intersted to watch the Bronco’s play the Panthers next year and see Cam vs. Tebow.
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I got ya… sorry, its Monday morning. I am not firing on all cylinders yet.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:22 am
I have never been able to watch a full pro bowl. Hell I only turned it on yesterday because I was looking for something to watch until Shameless came on at 9… something I wouldnt get invested it. LOL
January 30th, 2012 at 7:22 am
JFB,, my condolences,, thank GOD I got some cool ass in-laws!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:25 am
You say Cam Newton sucks but yet tout Terelle Pryor as the next coming of Jesus. Come on man.
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BCZ,
Jesus is black?
link? source?
January 30th, 2012 at 7:27 am
The in-laws can cook there azz off, Italians, and they are nice as hell, but not the most entertaining bunch.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:28 am
I think they ought to just can the whole idea. Send the guys that make the All-Pro team and their families to Hawaii for a week’s vacation or something (as long as players and coaches get the vote and the fans don’t). Heck, they can’t even fill the stadium and these are the best football players in the world.
The only reason I tuned in at all was to see if Jano was going to get a chance at the record. After seeing the winds and the game itself (and listening to Mayock analyze everything like anyone cared), I figured there would be no 64 yarder, and turned it off.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am
718.hwnrdr Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am
You guys think Reggie will drop the axe on Seymour this season?
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I don’t mind if we drop Seymour. I think he’s a guy who’s already got his rings and just doesn’t feel like playing that hard anymore.
Let’s face it. I think NE demands more from their players. Don’t know if that had to do with Al Davis always having their back no matter what they did or what it is/was.
One thing we know for sure, the media will roll their eyes wondering how we could do such a thing as dump him.
They never really watch the Raiders so they don’t see the same stuff we do.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:31 am
That’s why the baseball All-Star game is so awesome, it actually means something.
Well, at least to fans of teams that have a chance of being in the World Series (sorry A’s fans).
January 30th, 2012 at 7:33 am
Jesus was from the middle east. He was Palestinian.
He wasn’t black, white, or Roman.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:33 am
No matter what happens I think Allen is a guy who’s gonna not take any crap from the players who don’t give it 110%.
THAT will be a very refreshing change.
I just don’t wanna see any of that 99 1/2 yd. drive garbage with the game on the line stuff anymore.
Am i asking for too much?
January 30th, 2012 at 7:34 am
I love you Jesus!!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:34 am
Seymour is one of the most overrated players on our roster. I was not surprised in his production in the Probowl at all. Being a vocal leader is great, but sooner or later you have to back it up.
I will say it until we get rid of at least 70% of the players on our defense. They suck! Period!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Always a dice roll with in-laws.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am
743.djohnnyg Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:30 am
718.hwnrdr Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:55 am
You guys think Reggie will drop the axe on Seymour this season?
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I don’t mind if we drop Seymour. I think he’s a guy who’s already got his rings and just doesn’t feel like playing that hard anymore.
Let’s face it. I think NE demands more from their players. Don’t know if that had to do with Al Davis always having their back no matter what they did or what it is/was.
One thing we know for sure, the media will roll their eyes wondering how we could do such a thing as dump him.
They never really watch the Raiders so they don’t see the same stuff we do.
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The media can roll their eyes until they go dry! Do you know how much jack we would save by cuting Seymour? Cut Huff, trade Branch, trade McClain, and cut Aaron Curry. For starters and keep going from their. We won’t win more than 8 games if that this year any how.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:40 am
749.Pretty Rick Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Always a dice roll with in-laws.
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A dice roll how many in-laws have you had? : )
January 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
The media can roll their eyes until they go dry! Do you know how much jack we would save by cuting Seymour? Cut Huff, trade Branch, trade McClain, and cut Aaron Curry. For starters and keep going from their. We won’t win more than 8 games if that this year any how.
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Branch is a FA… can’t trade him, besides, he is one of the few guys worth hanging on to!
January 30th, 2012 at 7:45 am
I think most of the D can be saved,, I wanna see what they can do with a hard nosed coach who’s known to be very disciplined, as opposed to a DC who has vanilla football IQ and calls a vanilla defensive scheme. Fix the interior D-line though.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Cam Newton is JaMarcus Russell minus the cough syrup & candy bars
Right, Debo?
January 30th, 2012 at 7:50 am
CJ34,,lol. Only one set. I would never get married 2wice. It’ll be a one time thing for me bruh. Lol
January 30th, 2012 at 7:50 am
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Todd Bowles taking Eagles DBs coach job. Turned down offer from Oakland. #insideslant
January 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Resign branch.
Restructure Wimbley.
Restructure/ trade: TK, Huff, and Seymour.
January 30th, 2012 at 7:53 am
All I want from today is some type of confirmation on our staff, and if Saunders is staying, and what the coach/GM plan is for QB.
I’m sure everything else will be fluff.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:03 am
756.HGDaddy Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:50 am
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Todd Bowles taking Eagles DBs coach job. Turned down offer from Oakland. #insideslant
Ouch! I guess it was HC or bust, huh?
January 30th, 2012 at 8:08 am
ddwight Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:08 am
I dont think that Mckenzie & Allen, are going to just stand by and allow Palmer to throw the amount of picks that he threw and still be our starter (no matter how much he cost), these 2-guys appear to be no nonsense,
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I don’t know, Favre threw a lot of picks in GB and they all seemed fine with it up there.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Ouch! I guess it was HC or bust, huh?
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Bowles is a 3-4 guy, Allen is primarily a 4-3 guy, and I have heard Allen plans on mostly being in charge of the defense as well. Bowles going to philly is probably a solid option, he has a hell of a core of players there.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:10 am
HGDaddy Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:50 am
JasonLaCanfora Jason La Canfora
Todd Bowles taking Eagles DBs coach job. Turned down offer from Oakland. #insideslant
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Kinda glad. Didn’t really want a DC that would end up leaving after one year. We probably offered the same thing (DB) not DC.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Also, per NFL Network, Bowles is from the Philadelphia area. If you’re offered one DB position at home and another across the country, home might be more inviting.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Seymour Bush Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 8:08 am
ddwight Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 6:08 am
I dont think that Mckenzie & Allen, are going to just stand by and allow Palmer to throw the amount of picks that he threw and still be our starter (no matter how much he cost), these 2-guys appear to be no nonsense,
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I don’t know, Favre threw a lot of picks in GB and they all seemed fine with it up there.
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True, not the same amount if he can cut that rate in half, he will be a Great QB for us, if he can’t protect the Ball better it’s not gonna work.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Me thinks Tommy Kelly is gone. I’ve been to Camp every year fir the last 5 years and his attitude is still the same. Just like Turdell Sands. Trade this lump for the best pick we can get, then use it on a NG.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Todd Bowles taking Eagles DBs coach job. Turned down offer from Oakland.
-Jason La Canfora
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Oakland’s offer was DC or DB Coach?
January 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Todd Bowles taking Eagles DBs coach job. Turned down offer from Oakland.
-Jason La Canfora
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Oakland’s offer was DC or DB Coach?
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If he turned us down for a DB Coach position in his hometown, I assuming we didn’t offer him DC.
January 30th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Bowles chose Nnamdi Asomugha, Asante Samuel & Dominique Rodgers-Cromartie over Routt, CJ37 & DVD …
anybody surprised?
what players stand a better chance of making him look good ???
January 30th, 2012 at 8:26 am
new post!
January 30th, 2012 at 8:30 am
763.RaiderDuck Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Also, per NFL Network, Bowles is from the Philadelphia area. If you’re offered one DB position at home and another across the country, home might be more inviting.
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Smart move on his part. He’s closer to home, and in the driver’s seat should Castillo fail to get them to play better on defense. You can bet that the Eagles’ front office is looking at it that way.
If he came here as a DB coach and was somehow elevated to DC he would be running Allen’s system instead of his own. I’m sure he’d rather have the flexibility that the Philly job provides.
January 30th, 2012 at 9:15 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
January 29th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Palmer is the QB going forward and is a good QB. However, I think this radical pursuit for a “franchise QB” leads to laziness from coaches and fans.
John Fox and Jim Harbaugh made chicken salad out of chicken shhhhhh…
Coaches have to become coaches and work with the talent they have.
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Agree 100%.
January 30th, 2012 at 9:26 am
752.bcz24 Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 7:44 am
The media can roll their eyes until they go dry! Do you know how much jack we would save by cuting Seymour? Cut Huff, trade Branch, trade McClain, and cut Aaron Curry. For starters and keep going from their. We won’t win more than 8 games if that this year any how.
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Branch is a FA… can’t trade him, besides, he is one of the few guys worth hanging on to!
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Why cut Curry? He is cheap AND he played pretty well. One of the very few guys I would want to keep on defense.
January 30th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Englander- Gannon was found by Gruden…Al didnt like his noodle arm but trusted Gruden with the call…Otherwise Al had been whiffing on QB’s for years..starting with Pastorini..
January 30th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
We definitely need to trade/restructure Kelly, Seymour and Huff. The majority of the defense is undisciplined and not very “with it”. Defensive meltdowns at the end vs. both the Bills and the Lions cost this team a playoff berth. I feel comfortable with Carson Palmer at QB – for now. We need healthy playmakers, a couple of big name free agents on defense and draft picks, draft picks, draft picks!
January 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Pastorini.
Was a story going around back then that he threw a football up to a 6th floor balcony from the parking lot.
Those present commented “ya, but he was aiming for the 5th floor”
January 30th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
776.R8rArt Says:
January 30th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Pastorini.
Was a story going around back then that he threw a football up to a 6th floor balcony from the parking lot.
Those present commented “ya, but he was aiming for the 5th floor”
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I thought that was Tebow .. oh yeah, right, Tebow’s throw hit the swimming pool, instead!
January 30th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Keep Shaugnessy, keep Houston, keep Curry, hope that Goethel comes back strong from injury. Most of the rest of the defense is a collection of overpaid, undermotivated buffoons.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:23 am
Corkran’s to do list:
1) Learn the art of formatting and bulleting.
2) Resist the temptation to recite recent Raiders history. Has anyone seriously forgotten/never known that Norvo was our coach? I haven’t.
3) Realize that a person’s name needs no indefinite article.
4) Provide insights for us regarding the Raiders footwear and how it has affected many recent players.
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