NFL Network: Knapp a done deal
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Tuesday, January 31st, 2012 at 8:00 am in Oakland Raiders.
Greg Knapp will return to Oakland as offensive coordinator, the NFL Network is reporting.
Knapp, the quarterbacks coach for the Houston Texans for the past two seasons was hired by Lane Kiffin to work in that capacity for the Raiders in 2007 and took over as the primary play-caller when Kiffin was fired.
Those duties were eventually taken over by Tom Cable as the offense struggled under JaMarcus Russell, with Knapp leaving to become offensive coordinator in Seattle in 2009 and then moving to Houston in 2010 when Jim Mora’s staff was swept out in favor of Pete Carroll.
Knapp was offensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers from 2001-03 and worked with Raiders coach Dennis Allen with the Atlanta Falcons, where both were working under Mora.
Allen declined to confirm Knapp’s addition to the staff in an interview with KNBR Tuesday morning, saying he and general manager Reggie McKenzie would meet and determine when to release information regarding staff hires.
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January 31st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Ugh
January 31st, 2012 at 8:02 am
I guess this means TO will not be coming to Oakland. Thank God.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:03 am
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I don’t think your OC determines your Oline. Our youngest, most valuable Olineman are big dudes, not really ZBS guys. I would say Satele and Carlisle are the only ZBS guys left. They will build from what they have, not start over.
You guys way over-react some times. Its rumored we are talking to Greg Knapp OMG ITS ANOTHER 4-12 STINKER OMG OMG REGGIE IS SO STUPID ALLEN IS AN IDIOT…. relax. It ain’t even February.
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BCZ,
Agree with your 2nd comment. A ton of semi pro’s are freaking out right now – sour grapes from the Kiffin/Cable era, I guess
I think your OC does determine your O-Line though. Maybe not the players, but definately the system & scheme. McKenzie & Allen will get us some players. Knapp & Wylie (???) will coach’em up. I don’t see Veldheer, Wiz or Carlisle going anywhere. Satele will probably return as well. The rest can go kick rocks imo
Knapp = ZBS everywhere he’s been since 2004. Doubtful that changes in 2012!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:03 am
I’d be more excited if he was coming in to be the QB coach.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:03 am
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I hear you RR but you know what? Before all of the injuries our offense was looking pretty good. Even after the injuries we were still putting enough points on the board to win the game. Our run game was on fire. I don’t recall our run game looking that good under Knapp. If I recall it was as lethargic as our passing attack. Lets be honest we did not get a strong run game until Hue Jackson arrived on the scene people, like it or not.
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CJL,
We were EXCELLENT at running the football in 2007 with Jordan, Fargas, Rhodes & Echemandu! 6th in the NFL!
10th in the NFL @ Rushing in 2008..
Al Saunders doesn’t get any credit for our offense the past 2 years. Hue Jackson was the play caller. He punched his own ticket outta town, so no use crying over spilled milk. Saunders was basically the QB Coach last year. Keeping him doesn’t do anything for “continuity” except the fact that he knows the players. Knapp will know just as much about their skills when he rolls the film from last season
January 31st, 2012 at 8:05 am
How about Knapp brings Yates along with him since he is Knapp’s prize pupil??…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:05 am
I remember watching the Oakland Raiders, growing up back in the ‘70s and ‘80s and just watching what a great team they were, and I just really admired the way that they played the game. They played with toughness, with physicalness, with passion for the game, they played with a respect for the game, and that’s the type of team that you’re going to see with the Oakland Raiders as we go forward.
-Dennis Allen
January 31st, 2012 at 8:06 am
How did those Houston QBs do against Oakland last year? Oh yea, INT in the end zone against a 10 person D to seal the loss. Yea Knapp!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Oh well…at least he was better than Jimmy Raye! Well…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Time to freak out!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:07 am
Maybe Dennis Allen meant the 7s and 8s, not the ’70s and ’80s. That would explain Knapp.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:08 am
lol raye
January 31st, 2012 at 8:08 am
we are going to put a team out there that is going to play with passion, that is going to play with emotion, that is going to play with discipline, that is going to play the game the right way with a respect for the game and a respect for the people that have played the game before them.
-Dennis Allen
January 31st, 2012 at 8:08 am
‘How did those Houston QBs do against Oakland last year? Oh yea, INT in the end zone against a 10 person D to seal the loss. Yea Knapp!’
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Cant go by that, that was a bad QB decision not to run it in… Coaches cant control in-play decision making..
January 31st, 2012 at 8:09 am
I’m not a huge fan of the move, on paper at least. If the Raiders wanted to make a change, I thought a guy like Todd Haley or even Bruce Arians (who is now with the Colts) made more sense with the personnel.
But Knapp has been in the league long enough, and the Raiders have enough pieces on offense, that I’ll refrain from passing judgment yet.
Curious to see what happens on the offensive line. If they’re going to use more ZBS than they have in the last couple seasons, Satele might be staying on board.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
How about Knapp brings Yates along with him since he is Knapp’s prize pupil??…
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RIP,
I’ll pass on Yates. Houston would probably want a 2nd rounder in 2013
Yates in exchange for McClain? straight up?
do it!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
Sam,
That’s another great point. Maybe going to a conservative offense similar to the one we had with Gruden will benefit Palmer and help reduce his INTs.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
ESPN is reporting that the Bronco’s denied permission to the Raiders to speak with Richard Smith. And that Kansas City defensive backs coach Emmitt Thomas and New Orleans defensive line coach Bill Johnson were dropped off as candidates.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:14 am
What I can’t stand are people who assert that installing a WCO means the end of the vertical passing game.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:15 am
DT42 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
ESPN is reporting that the Bronco’s denied permission to the Raiders to speak with Richard Smith. And that Kansas City defensive backs coach Emmitt Thomas and New Orleans defensive line coach Bill Johnson were dropped off as candidates.
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Maybe it’ll be Greg Manusky, then. Or Darren Perry? Or Dennis Thurman?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Maybe it’ll be Greg Manusky, then. Or Darren Perry? Or Dennis Thurman?
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Duck,
how about Keith Butler ???
January 31st, 2012 at 8:18 am
5.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:03 am
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I hear you RR but you know what? Before all of the injuries our offense was looking pretty good. Even after the injuries we were still putting enough points on the board to win the game. Our run game was on fire. I don’t recall our run game looking that good under Knapp. If I recall it was as lethargic as our passing attack. Lets be honest we did not get a strong run game until Hue Jackson arrived on the scene people, like it or not.
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CJL,
We were EXCELLENT at running the football in 2007 with Jordan, Fargas, Rhodes & Echemandu! 6th in the NFL!
10th in the NFL @ Rushing in 2008..
Al Saunders doesn’t get any credit for our offense the past 2 years. Hue Jackson was the play caller. He punched his own ticket outta town, so no use crying over spilled milk. Saunders was basically the QB Coach last year. Keeping him doesn’t do anything for “continuity” except the fact that he knows the players. Knapp will know just as much about their skills when he rolls the film from last season
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Wow! Did we really do that with all of those crappy RBs? Was it because the pass was so terrible we just had to keep pounding the ball?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:18 am
“The vision for the future of the Oakland Raiders is going to be just that. It’s going to be a tough, smart, disciplined, committed football team. See, you don’t win football games in the National Football League by talent alone. There’s a lot of other things that are a part of that. Those are the things that we’re going to develop, and those are the things that we’re going to preach on a day to basis to our players, because we do have talented players. We have enough talent in our team to compete for a championship, and that’s what our goal is going to be every year. We’ve got to play smart, we’ve got to play tough, we’ve got to play disciplined, and we’ve got to be committed to doing the things that it takes to win in the National Football League, and those are the things that we’re going to do.
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sometime before Carson Palmer retires, Allen will be hoisting the Lombardi trophy!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:18 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
How about Knapp brings Yates along with him since he is Knapp’s prize pupil??…
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RIP,
I’ll pass on Yates. Houston would probably want a 2nd rounder in 2013
Yates in exchange for McClain? straight up?
do it!!
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McClain straight up for a can of Diet Pepsi? Do IT!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:20 am
How about Mike Singletary????
January 31st, 2012 at 8:20 am
On offense, we’re going to be up-temp. We want to be fast, we want to be aggressive. You’ll hear me use that word a lot, aggressiveness, and I think that’s critical in the game of football. We want to be fast, we want to be up-temp. We’re going to be able to run the football and run the football solidly so we can stay ahead of the chains on first and second down. And we’re going to be explosive in the passing game. We’ve got those weapons in place to be able to do that, and that’s what we’re going to do. – Dennis Allen
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Greg Knapp, welcome back to Oakland!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:22 am
23.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:18 am
“The vision for the future of the Oakland Raiders is going to be just that. It’s going to be a tough, smart, disciplined, committed football team. See, you don’t win football games in the National Football League by talent alone. There’s a lot of other things that are a part of that. Those are the things that we’re going to develop, and those are the things that we’re going to preach on a day to basis to our players, because we do have talented players. We have enough talent in our team to compete for a championship, and that’s what our goal is going to be every year. We’ve got to play smart, we’ve got to play tough, we’ve got to play disciplined, and we’ve got to be committed to doing the things that it takes to win in the National Football League, and those are the things that we’re going to do.
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sometime before Carson Palmer retires, Allen will be hoisting the Lombardi trophy!
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Wow, RR you are the optimist today. I hope you are right. I think you said the same thing when we hired Kiffin back in the day. LOL!!: )
January 31st, 2012 at 8:22 am
McClain is not going anywhere. No Radical changes!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Does that mean CP3 ain’t droppin da bomb no more ? I liked our offence last year. I am a believer in if it ain’t broke don’t fix it.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Hue Jackson was the play caller. He punched his own ticket outta town, so no use crying over spilled milk. Saunders was basically the QB Coach last year
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This isn’t exactly true. Saunders put the game plan together every week and gave Hue that list of plays he was holding on the sidelines every game. He also communicated with Hue from the booth on what was working, what wasn’t, what the defense was doing, etc. etc. Sure it was Hue’s playbook, and Hue called the plays, but the weekly gameplan (ie WHICH plays from the book we brought to the game) was set up by Saunders.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Just heard Rob Ryan is being interviewed by Allen today to serve as Defensive Coordinator. Some media outlets are saying an offer has already been made.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:20 am
How about Mike Singletary????
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A big NOPE!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
On offense, we’re going to be up-temp. We want to be fast, we want to be aggressive. You’ll hear me use that word a lot, aggressiveness, and I think that’s critical in the game of football. We want to be fast, we want to be up-temp. We’re going to be able to run the football and run the football solidly so we can stay ahead of the chains on first and second down. And we’re going to be explosive in the passing game. We’ve got those weapons in place to be able to do that, and that’s what we’re going to do. – Dennis Allen
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Liar!!!
You hired Knapp!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
Duck,
how about Keith Butler ???
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Butler resigned with Pittsburgh yesterday.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
IDK why my posts arent going thru under my old moniker.
“22″
January 31st, 2012 at 8:25 am
BSJ..
just re-watched the Pro-bowl..
did you notice Condo played well on offense?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:26 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Maybe it’ll be Greg Manusky, then. Or Darren Perry? Or Dennis Thurman?
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Duck,
how about Keith Butler ???
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Or Keith Butler. I suspect, however, that Allen will want someone who’s been a coordinator before, which would make Manusky the leading candidate.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:27 am
Morning Raiders, Hue Jackson apologists, Matt Giordano lovers and Al Saunders blind believer group.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:27 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Just heard Rob Ryan is being interviewed by Allen today to serve as Defensive Coordinator. Some media outlets are saying an offer has already been made.
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Link, please.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
What is up with Mark Davis’ page boy hair cut?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
I always liked to refer to LaMont Jordan as a broke mans Bo Jackson. It was a disgrace watching him wear the #34.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Just heard Rob Ryan is being interviewed by Allen today to serve as Defensive Coordinator. Some media outlets are saying an offer has already been made.
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Although your joking, I would welcome him back.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:29 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
I always liked to refer to LaMont Jordan as a broke mans Bo Jackson. It was a disgrace watching him wear the #34.
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Hey, there. Even broke people have SOME pride. Jordan was a bum.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:29 am
If any of you remember, my dream scenario for the defense was:
DC – Nolan
LB – Manusky
Getting Manusky as DC wouldnt be too bad.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:29 am
damm this sucks…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:30 am
No more top 10 offense!
Knapp has never been successful!!!!
SF was a decade ago, and he was working with Mariucci.
People want a guy who is known to be avg at best over one of the best OCs in the game?!?!
You people are Crazy!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Seriously? New era in Oakland? How about a DC? You blew it on Del Rio already. If Bresnahan is retained I am selling my season tickets. That donut neck isn’t qualified to coach a middle school kickball team.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Saunders > Knapp
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:30 am
No more top 10 offense!
Knapp has never been successful!!!!
SF was a decade ago, and he was working with Mariucci.
People want a guy who is known to be avg at best over one of the best OCs in the game?!?!
You people are Crazy!
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Who are you reffering to “one of the best in the game”
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
I like the hire. He did a great job with a third string rook in Texas.In Allen I trust.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:32 am
joker94583 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Seriously? New era in Oakland? How about a DC? You blew it on Del Rio already. If Bresnahan is retained I am selling my season tickets. That donut neck isn’t qualified to coach a middle school kickball team.
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Relax. It won’t be Bresnahan.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Saunders > Knapp > Tom Wash
January 31st, 2012 at 8:32 am
Wow, people still think Bresnahan is coming back? Ahahaha. Aw.
It’s funny to watch fans panic over things they can’t control.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:33 am
42.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Just heard Rob Ryan is being interviewed by Allen today to serve as Defensive Coordinator. Some media outlets are saying an offer has already been made.
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Although your joking, I would welcome him back.
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Wow! OK, I am intrigued. Why would you like to get Ryan back? What did you like baout the guy, besides his cool hair. : )
January 31st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Saunders = one of the best OCs in the NFL.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Am I the only one who thinks the most important hire might just be the strength and conditioning coach? Injuries have been just as big of a problem as the vanilla D.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Wouldnt surprise me to see Saunders stay on as QB coach.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:34 am
50.No Mas Diamante Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:31 am
I like the hire. He did a great job with a third string rook in Texas.In Allen I trust.
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I agree with you there but I think the running game had a lot to do with it as well.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Winning! Greg Knapp….! Woo Hoo!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:33 am
Saunders = one of the best OCs in the NFL.
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January 31st, 2012 at 8:36 am
56.Pretty Rick Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:34 am
Am I the only one who thinks the most important hire might just be the strength and conditioning coach? Injuries have been just as big of a problem as the vanilla D.
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Yeah, these guys need a serious yoga instructor.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:36 am
Saunders should be the OC with Knapp as QB coach.
Saunders will take over play calling by week 5.
Print that!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:37 am
Wow, RR you are the optimist today. I hope you are right. I think you said the same thing when we hired Kiffin back in the day. LOL!!
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CJL,
I don’t think I was even aware of Jerry’s blog back in 2007. I just read the articles at raidernews.com and didn’t blog at any particular place
January 31st, 2012 at 8:38 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:33 am
42.DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:28 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:24 am
Just heard Rob Ryan is being interviewed by Allen today to serve as Defensive Coordinator. Some media outlets are saying an offer has already been made.
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Although your joking, I would welcome him back.
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Wow! OK, I am intrigued. Why would you like to get Ryan back? What did you like baout the guy, besides his cool hair. : )
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My theory is no coaching staff has had a fair shake while employed by Al Davis.
Art Shell II doesnt count, that wasnt a real staff.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Saunders put the game plan together every week and gave Hue that list of plays he was holding on the sidelines every game. He also communicated with Hue from the booth on what was working, what wasn’t, what the defense was doing, etc. etc. Sure it was Hue’s playbook, and Hue called the plays, but the weekly gameplan (ie WHICH plays from the book we brought to the game) was set up by Saunders.
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BCZ,
this courtesy of Pat Kirwin’s new book or something?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Bunch ‘a chicken littles in here last night and this morning.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Knapp-time at OC…
Not real happy about this hire.
Maybe he brings something different based on current personnel. However, he is a ball control dink & dunk guy at heart.
2 things he is definitely not… Uptempo and Explosive… 2 Words Allen used to describe the type of offense he wanted.
I have had enough of bullsh!tters.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:37 am
Wow, RR you are the optimist today. I hope you are right. I think you said the same thing when we hired Kiffin back in the day. LOL!!
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CJL,
I don’t think I was even aware of Jerry’s blog back in 2007. I just read the articles at raidernews.com and didn’t blog at any particular place
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Can’t remember when I came over here, but previously, I’d kept track on David Brooks’ “The Vertical Game” site…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:40 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Bunch ‘a chicken littles in here last night and this morning.
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THIS.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Tom Cable took over play calling from Knapp, why?
My THEORY is he sucked so bad that even Cable thought he can do better!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:43 am
Some of you guys act like we just put up 500 points this season, That were the Saints or Packers offensively.
We were a decent offense. The offense (or defense) didnt show up for the 2 most important games of the season.
We were 8-8!!..
January 31st, 2012 at 8:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:40 am
The Big Banana Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Bunch ‘a chicken littles in here last night and this morning.
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THIS.
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Yup. People are assuming he was just hired sight unseen. I’m sure they had an interview.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:44 am
yawn
January 31st, 2012 at 8:44 am
BCZ,
this courtesy of Pat Kirwin’s new book or something?
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Nope. I have know this for awhile. I LISTEN when people in the org talk and say these things, ALSO Guetierez tweeted it this morning (or last night) which confirmed what I knew. That Al Saunders was responsible for our gameplan.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:44 am
Well, if you’re committing penalties, that becomes a habit. We’ve got to change those habits, alright? We got to develop the proper habits so that we’re not creating those penalties on a daily basis. It starts with how you operate in practice, OK? And we’re going to operate in a manner in practice that, we’re going to preach discipline, and discipline is going to be a fundamental factor in what we do every day. If we preach fundamentals and we preach discipline day in and day out, and we’re consistent with it as a coaching staff, the players are going to fall right in line.” – Dennis Allen
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Hey guys, what do you want DA to do? yell louder?
LOL!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:46 am
Man that Al Saunders sure could gameplan a juggernaut of an offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:46 am
I LISTEN when people in the org talk and say these things, ALSO Guetierez tweeted it this morning (or last night) which confirmed what I knew. That Al Saunders was responsible for our gameplan.
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BCZ,
assuming this is true …
how come Cable/Jackson was more successful than Jackson/Saunders ???
January 31st, 2012 at 8:47 am
ummmm…
ed donatell – dc
January 31st, 2012 at 8:47 am
anybody actually stop and think for a minute that McK and Allen already know a direction they want to go in offensively and I don’t know MAYBE they asked Knapp in the interview if he was comfortable with this? I mean do you REALLY think Allen just called some guy he knew once and said hey come run your offense here if you want, these dumbasses are handing out paychecks like candy over here…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:48 am
saladfingerz Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:47 am
ummmm…
ed donatell – dc
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Also a solid candidate.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:48 am
I told you guys this is going to turn out to being something BAD, McKenzie and Allen will be out Next Year, Greg Knapp REALLY? How does Allen remember watching the Raiders in the 70s and 80s, wasnt he a kid. LOL GREAT MOVE, way to make a SPLASH, these HIRING sets this team back another 4 years MISERABLE, and whos to BLAME? not AL. LOL JACKSON SHOULD HAD GOTTEN RETAIN, all he needed was a good DC. WOW PATETHIC ORGANIZATION dont know why I waste my money on this JC FOOTBALL ORGANIZATION.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:48 am
Offense:
Top 10 in YPG
7th in rushing
11th in passing
Offense wasn’t the problem, and it’s not the reason we finished 8-8.
Did you watch any games last season?!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:49 am
raiderdav Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:48 am
I told you guys this is going to turn out to being something BAD, McKenzie and Allen will be out Next Year, Greg Knapp REALLY? How does Allen remember watching the Raiders in the 70s and 80s, wasnt he a kid. LOL GREAT MOVE, way to make a SPLASH, these HIRING sets this team back another 4 years MISERABLE, and whos to BLAME? not AL. LOL JACKSON SHOULD HAD GOTTEN RETAIN, all he needed was a good DC. WOW PATETHIC ORGANIZATION dont know why I waste my money on this JC FOOTBALL ORGANIZATION.
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Then leave and go wallow in your misery somewhere…
January 31st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hey guys, what do you want DA to do? yell louder?
LOL!
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What, you dont think Hue Jackson preached fundamentals. You don’t think Hue Jackson tried to develop the proper habits. You dont think Hue Jackson tried everything he could to get these idiots to stop committing the damn penalties? I mean jesus he paid 3 refs to oversee every practice from week 2 on! They would practice flawlessly and then get to the game… and sh1t out 12 more penalties.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:52 am
Team Chaos! lol go in..
January 31st, 2012 at 8:52 am
Hue Jackson can’t sniff a HC or OC job.
He’ll be lucky to latch on as QB Coach someplace.
Al Saunders won’t sniff an OC or QB Coach job anywhere if Dennis Allen dumps him. He’ll either retire or go back to being an “offensive consultant” as he was in Baltimore
offensive gurus aren’t in demand anymore in the NFL, eh ???
defense wins championships, right JFB?
January 31st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Yeah… I bet Hue Jackson is out of the NFL permanently. You will never again see him in professional football… laughable.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:54 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hey guys, what do you want DA to do? yell louder?
LOL!
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What, you dont think Hue Jackson preached fundamentals. You don’t think Hue Jackson tried to develop the proper habits. You dont think Hue Jackson tried everything he could to get these idiots to stop committing the damn penalties? I mean jesus he paid 3 refs to oversee every practice from week 2 on! They would practice flawlessly and then get to the game… and sh1t out 12 more penalties.
…….
1 thing Hue didn’t do that Allen will have the power to do… Bench players.
Reggie said coach would make those decisions. Now the players know they answer to Allen and no one else.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:54 am
McFadden never ran will until we got rid of the ZB scheme and went to the power scheme. Palmer has no experience with the WC offense. Knapp has never real been that great as an OC. This hire is disappointing. Saunders experience and track record as OC is way superior to Knapp.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:55 am
I don’t like this move. If I’m not mistaken, dosent Greg Knapp run a west coast style of offense? I dont think our offense is built for west coast style? Palmer is a throw the ball down the field kinda guy… To me it seems like trying to stick a scquare peg in a round hole. We should of stuck with Saunders, Instead of trying to install a new offense. Coach Allen would have had a good chance this year of turning the club around if he would of left the offense alone with Saunders and Then Allen could of concentrated on defense. Going with Knapp could prove to be a disaster! Ive been a Raider fan since I was 5 years old, I am now 34 years old. I have been supportive of my Raiders through thick and then, never being one of those negitive fans that I cant stand… But this one is hard to swallow! The Balls Mckenzie and Allen have! Can you imagine the pressure these guys are gonna have to deal with if this team struggles early this year. At least Allen has a four year deal if this team struggles or if he cant get the team to buy in to him… Come on Raiders! I just want a winner!!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 8:55 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:48 am
Offense:
Top 10 in YPG
7th in rushing
11th in passing
Offense wasn’t the problem, and it’s not the reason we finished 8-8.
Did you watch any games last season?!
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Sure did.
How many times did our drives stall and let teams back in to make it a game or win?
How many times did we settle for FGs?..
Get that Junior High “YPG” stat out of here.
We were 16th in PPG. Points win games not yards.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:55 am
bcz24 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hey guys, what do you want DA to do? yell louder?
LOL!
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What, you dont think Hue Jackson preached fundamentals. You don’t think Hue Jackson tried to develop the proper habits. You dont think Hue Jackson tried everything he could to get these idiots to stop committing the damn penalties? I mean jesus he paid 3 refs to oversee every practice from week 2 on! They would practice flawlessly and then get to the game… and sh1t out 12 more penalties.
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Then obviously, he wasn’t teaching them correctly. Think of all teams, good and bad, in the history of the league. Now realize that NONE of them had as many penalties as we did last year.
January 31st, 2012 at 8:56 am
How does Allen remember watching the Raiders in the 70s and 80s, wasnt he a kid?
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Coach was born in ‘73
Raiders won Super Bowls in ‘80 & ‘83 dummy
January 31st, 2012 at 9:01 am
Then obviously, he wasn’t teaching them correctly. Think of all teams, good and bad, in the history of the league. Now realize that NONE of them had as many penalties as we did last year.
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Duck 1
BCZ 0
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Then obviously, he wasn’t teaching them correctly. Think of all teams, good and bad, in the history of the league. Now realize that NONE of them had as many penalties as we did last year.
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Then blame the officials who WEREN’T calling the penalties at practice for behavior that WAS being penalized on the field…
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
85.408RAIDER Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:52 am
Team Chaos! lol go in..
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All In Big Homie!!!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
So offense lost us the Bills game, Lions game, Denver game, and the last game of the season against the Dischargers?!?!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Your high school argument has no credibility!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age give me a BREAK all of you morons are going to be b*tchin by this time next year on how Chuck Berry and Shanahan Wannabe are FAKES. 4-12 you heard it here first.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Correction:
Your JR high argument has no credibility.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
So offense lost us the Bills game, Lions game, Denver game, and the last game of the season against the Dischargers?!?!
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Negative. That was defense. But you just named 4 games. We lost 4 more.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Hard for Huey to hide from the facts. I don’t care what he *said* he was doing. Fact is, his team set all time records for penalties. Whatever challenges he faced from working under Al’s thumb, all his predecessors worked under the same conditions and managed to avoid the record books.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
Your high school argument has no credibility!
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Are you implying Yards are more important than Points?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:06 am
All I know is that jar better be empty at years end!
Anyways…all the arguing in the world is not gonna make this go away! Knapp is our OC…most of us don’t like the hire, but it is what it is! Hopefully he will back upa disappointment with an eye opener for DC!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Negative! lol
Points are more important. I agree.
Let’s use your logic:
We were 16th in points scored on offense. What about the defense?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Haha! Blame the practice officials. Now I’ve heard it all. Lol!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:07 am
our D sucked under Ryan.
Keep that hippie away!
Ryan’s are all talk.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:09 am
The Pats and GB are better teams, and that’s part of the other 4 games we lost. Don’t forget that.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:07 am
Negative! lol
Points are more important. I agree.
Let’s use your logic:
We were 16th in points scored on offense. What about the defense?
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3rd from last.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:11 am
Then blame the officials who WEREN’T calling the penalties at practice for behavior that WAS being penalized on the field…
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You’re assuming penalties weren’t called at practice. I’m assuming they were and Jackson didn’t have a clue how to fix the issue. You take Hue at his word, I don’t. The guy is a bs artist. I have little doubt that he harped on the players for it, but he didn’t do much in the way of teaching or instruction.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:11 am
KNAPP???? Why? Please no weak ZBS. We must not have any money to spend on a legit OC and Allen must ba afraid of letting Saunders be OC.
Whelp Strike one D. Allen.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:12 am
Hard for Huey to hide from the facts. I don’t care what he *said* he was doing. Fact is, his team set all time records for penalties. Whatever challenges he faced from working under Al’s thumb, all his predecessors worked under the same conditions and managed to avoid the record books.
Haha! Blame the practice officials. Now I’ve heard it all. Lol!
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Banana = stud blogger
January 31st, 2012 at 9:13 am
Knapp has experience in both blocking schemes. He picked up the zone in ATL.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:13 am
I am ‘underwhelmed’ by bringing back Knapp!!
The DC hire better ‘knock our socks off’!!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age
i started following the Raiders in 1968… age 5 !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
29th in points allowed!
29th in YPG!!
That’s why we were 8-8!!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
I dont want to have goosebumps about our coordinator hires.
I want to win.
Im tired of looking good on paper.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:18 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
29th in points allowed!
29th in YPG!!
That’s why we were 8-8!!
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What does that have to do with us being ranked 16th in PPG on offense?
The point is our offense wasnt that good.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:18 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:11 am
KNAPP???? Why? Please no weak ZBS. We must not have any money to spend on a legit OC and Allen must ba afraid of letting Saunders be OC.
Whelp Strike one D. Allen.
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Yes, I’m sure Allen is “afraid” of Saunder. That HAS to be the reason.
(rolls eyes)
January 31st, 2012 at 9:19 am
I’m not stung we have the best offense in the NFL, but what I’m saying is the offense wasn’t the reason we finished 8-8. It was the defense.
The other 4 losses:
Pats: I hate to say it, but they are a better team. Playing in the SB
GB: great team. Won SB last season
KC: we list our starting QB, and had Bollet and Palmer take turns.
Mia: the only game I can blame on the offense which they only scored 14 points, but the defense still allowed 34 points.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:19 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:15 am
I don’t want to have goosebumps about our coordinator hires.
I want to win.
I’m tired of looking good on paper.
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Exactly. It’s a total spring cleaning in Raiderland, and about time.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:20 am
I think I have made my point.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:20 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:19 am
I’m not stung we have the best offense in the NFL, but what I’m saying is the offense wasn’t the reason we finished 8-8. It was the defense.
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It was also the ridiculous amount of penalties, which Hue was either unwilling or unable to stop. He could have been fired for that alone.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:21 am
We were an average offense that failed to score or keepa drive going when it mattered most. Which led to our defense being put in some very bad spots.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:21 am
Q: Enough talent on defense or radical changes coming?
Allen: No I don’t think radical changes are what need to be made. I do think that there … obviously just with all aspects of the game you’re always going to try to upgrade your team in whatever way that you can but I do still feel like there’s a talented defense. I feel like we got enough players, both on offense and defense, that we can win a championship with.
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define radical. extreme? I don’t get how people say this means we wont have any new starters on defense, or maybe just 1 or 2 or that means we’re keeping Rolando McClain.
radical or extreme would mean replacing HALF of our defensive players or more.
by the way, Allen was ASKED this question. He didn’t just decide to address the media on the issue and tell his players they are all safe
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
If Knapp goes ZBS, then he needs to commit to it. We have the blocking WR’s for it. DMAC must stay and Knapp needs to pay attention to what Hue learned when he was OC (pick running plays that compliment DMAC’s talents). And maybe Knapp needs to go study the Raiders passing attack circa…..2002. (Up-tempo, aggresive, attacking) And people laughed when I suggested Marc Trestman.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raiderdav Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age give me a BREAK all of you morons are going to be b*tchin by this time next year on how Chuck Berry and Shanahan Wannabe are FAKES. 4-12 you heard it here first.
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It looks like 4-12 is gonna be more liklely than 12-4 next year.
We have the players, good aggressive Fast players on the O as a whole and 2 great linemen. Throw that away and start over with ZBS and conservative plays? We got the horses… Let’em run. Build on the young guns.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
2011 total offensive yards 6072, rush yards 2110, pass yards 3962
2007. 4717 2086 2631
January 31st, 2012 at 9:23 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raiderdav Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age give me a BREAK all of you morons are going to be b*tchin by this time next year on how Chuck Berry and Shanahan Wannabe are FAKES. 4-12 you heard it here first.
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It looks like 4-12 is gonna be more liklely than 12-4 next year.
We have the players, good aggressive Fast players on the O as a whole and 2 great linemen. Throw that away and start over with ZBS and conservative plays? We got the horses… Let’em run. Build on the young guns.
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How do you assume we will have conservative plays? I dont get that.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
So offense lost us the Bills game, Lions game, Denver game, and the last game of the season against the Dischargers?!?!
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Negative. That was defense. But you just named 4 games. We lost 4 more.
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Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:19 am
I’m not stung we have the best offense in the NFL, but what I’m saying is the offense wasn’t the reason we finished 8-8. It was the defense.
The other 4 losses:
Pats: I hate to say it, but they are a better team. Playing in the SB
GB: great team. Won SB last season
KC: we list our starting QB, and had Bollet and Palmer take turns.
Mia: the only game I can blame on the offense which they only scored 14 points, but the defense still allowed 34 points.
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Offense wasn’t the resin we were 8-8. I can’t make it more simpler than this.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am
Reason*
January 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am
severeraiderz Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
2011 total offensive yards 6072, rush yards 2110, pass yards 3962
2007. 4717 2086 2631
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Points.
Points win games.
And I hope your not bringing up stats from the Jamarcus Russell era and expect to be taken seriously.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:25 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:23 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:22 am
Raiderdav Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:04 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age give me a BREAK all of you morons are going to be b*tchin by this time next year on how Chuck Berry and Shanahan Wannabe are FAKES. 4-12 you heard it here first.
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It looks like 4-12 is gonna be more liklely than 12-4 next year.
We have the players, good aggressive Fast players on the O as a whole and 2 great linemen. Throw that away and start over with ZBS and conservative plays? We got the horses… Let’em run. Build on the young guns.
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How do you assume we will have conservative plays? I dont get that.
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Because Lance ran conservative football, they’re assuming Knapp will, too.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:25 am
he was 7 & 8 youre telling me a 8 year old kid knows football at that age
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Mike,
Allen didn’t claim he KNEW football in the 70’s or 80’s. He said he WATCHED football … why are people so hung up about this? What coach didn’t grow up watching football?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:24 am
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Ok cool. And after all of that. None of it is a reason for Al Saunders to be thought of as so critical to our success. THAT was the original point.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:29 am
DAV
Wrong. We were a very good offense that struggled scoring TDs when it got to the red zone, especially after DMC got hurt
January 31st, 2012 at 9:30 am
Per Paul Gutierrez:
“Names now being floated include 49ers secondary coach Ed Donatell, who has been a defensive coordinator in Green Bay (2000-03) and Atlanta (2004-2006), and former 49ers (2007-10) and San Diego (2011) defensive coordinator Greg Manusky.”
January 31st, 2012 at 9:31 am
Id like to see Tim Lewis brought in as DC also.
With Manusky as LB coach.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:32 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:18 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:11 am
KNAPP???? Why? Please no weak ZBS. We must not have any money to spend on a legit OC and Allen must ba afraid of letting Saunders be OC.
Whelp Strike one D. Allen.
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Yes, I’m sure Allen is “afraid” of Saunder. That HAS to be the reason.
(rolls eyes)
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Duck, I know you can read so you are probably just another troll trying to start an argument, so I will point out to you I said “Allen must be afraid of Letting Saunders be OC”! As in Saunders has more years and a better resume than Allen maybe Allen want’s a lil more job security.
I thought eye rolling was a Teenage Girl thing??? No?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:34 am
DAV,
Good point. The debate became more about offense vs defense and who deserves the blame for another 8-8 season.
Saunders > Knapp
Go….
LOL
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I sure hope Allen knows what he’s doing, because Saunders to Knapp is a downgrade if you asked me.
Real head scratcher!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Ed Donnatell!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:36 am
141.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I sure hope Allen knows what he’s doing, because Saunders to Knapp is a downgrade if you asked me.
Real head scratcher!
What’s up DMAC! I know, head scratcher! But…let’s wait and see! The real question is D!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:36 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:32 am
Duck, I know you can read so you are probably just another troll trying to start an argument,
**WRONG.**
so I will point out to you I said “Allen must be afraid of Letting Saunders be OC”! As in Saunders has more years and a better resume than Allen maybe Allen want’s a lil more job security.
**Yes, I’m sure Allen is afraid of a 64-year-old Saunders (who hasn’t been a head coach since Reagan was President) take his job.**
I thought eye rolling was a Teenage Girl thing??? No?
**Normally, but some posters on here make one take extreme measures**
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
How do you assume we will have conservative plays? I dont get that.
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Go back and look at Knapp’s O over the years, then you tell me!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
I hope it doesn’t turn out this way, but we might have a good D now and and schitty Offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Per Paul Gutierrez:
“Names now being floated include 49ers secondary coach Ed Donatell, who has been a defensive coordinator in Green Bay (2000-03) and Atlanta (2004-2006), and former 49ers (2007-10) and San Diego (2011) defensive coordinator Greg Manusky.”
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I’m down
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:34 am
DAV,
Good point. The debate became more about offense vs defense and who deserves the blame for another 8-8 season.
Saunders > Knapp
Go….
LOL
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LOL.. I dont think there is much of a gap between them. And for the sake of Allen getting ‘his guy’ Im with it.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
Ed Donatell: bio @ 49ers website
Donatell, 53, brings 32 years of coaching experience, including 20 years of service in the NFL, to the 49ers. He has worked with several of the most highly regarded defensive backs in NFL history, including Ronnie Lott, Steve Atwater, LeRoy Butler, Darren Sharper, Ty Law, Lawyer Milloy, Champ Bailey and Brian Dawkins.
Most recently, Donatell served as the secondary coach with the Denver Broncos from 2009-10. In two seasons with the Broncos, the team ranked seventh in the NFL in opponent completion percentage (58.8) and ninth in passing yards per game (223.7).
Prior to working as the defensive coordinator for the University of Washington in 2008 and a special assistant for the New York Jets in 2007, Donatell served as the defensive coordinator for the Atlanta Falcons from 2004-06.
Donatell spent four seasons as Green Bay’s defensive coordinator (2000-03), helping the Packers lead the NFL with 116 takeaways from 2001 to 2003. Green Bay advanced to the playoffs during each of those three seasons, including the 2001 and 2002 campaigns when they won the NFC North title.
In Donatell’s first stint with the Broncos (1995-99) he served as the team’s secondary coach and won back-to-back Super Bowls in 1998 an 1999. The Broncos ranked seventh in the league in both passing yards per game (199.6) and passing yards per attempt allowed (6.5), en route to earning three playoff berths under Donatell. The Broncos also ranked in the top 10 against the pass in four of Donatell’s five seasons as defensive backs coach.
Donatell made his NFL coaching debut as the secondary coach with the New York Jets from 1990-94, where he worked with Lott in the final two seasons of his career.
Prior to making the jump to the NFL, Donatell spent 11 seasons in the collegiate ranks. He served as the defensive backs coach at Cal State-Fullerton (1989), the University of Idaho (1986-88) and the University of Pacific (1983-85). He also was a graduate assistant at the University of Washington (1981-82) and Kent State (1979-80).
January 31st, 2012 at 9:38 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Ed Donnatell!
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Have this dude sign the dotted line.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Manusky had a middle of the pack D when he was with SF…that would be a huge upgrade for our D! However…I think Donatell would be better! Just my opinion!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Well here we go. Here comes the critical part for Allen as I said it would be when it comes to hiring Coordinatros and Assistants.
To me, this was his first mistake to completely start over with the offense when it didn’t need to start over.
I could have seen Knapp as QB coach, but as OC here again, unless he has learned something new.
If Knapp fails as an OC here…AGAIN, then he will never be hired as an OC anywhere in the NFL again.
Not excited about this hire. Ugh.
If he decides to run the ZBS only run blocking exclusively, then I will be even more disappointed.
Lets hope this hire doesn’t turn out to be the same as the Chuck B hire was last year. Ugh
January 31st, 2012 at 9:39 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:37 am
How do you assume we will have conservative plays? I dont get that.
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Go back and look at Knapp’s O over the years, then you tell me!
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Did you look at Hue Jackson’s offenses from his past?
/Close case.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:40 am
How is this going to lead to an “explosive” offense? We are now talking about a complete overhaul of the offense system wise, where a Gruden-to-Callahan kind of situation was possible.
1-year turnarounds to “greatness” do happen, but from Reggie’s Grade 4 level volcabulary to this…
January 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
If this offense regresses from what has been accomplished the last two seasons, I will be even more pissed.
I was afraid this would happen, and now they will probably be looking at new OLine coaches also. Ugh
January 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
FACT
Saunders>Knapp
I guess I got Allen’s back on this one. I just hope it turns out to be the right move.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:41 am
severeraiderz Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:29 am
DAV
Wrong. We were a very good offense that struggled scoring TDs when it got to the red zone, especially after DMC got hurt
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Very good offenses dont stall in the most critical times over and over.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Thanks RR. The truth will set you free.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Only reason, Knapp got this job is because once again, it’s about the good buddy network when it comes to hiring assistants and not about hiring the best possible candidates.
That is where this whole process is messed up.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Y’all realize that NO ONE runs ZBS or power blocking exclusively, right?
And to be fair, if the Raiders are intending to start Veldheer – Wiz – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale, the line may perform better if they start to emphasize zone blocking more.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Did you look at Hue Jackson’s offenses from his past?
/Close case.
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What offenses? He’s never been an OC in the NFL before Oakland. What offenses?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I sure hope Allen knows what he’s doing, because Saunders to Knapp is a downgrade if you asked me.
Real head scratcher!
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Morning DMAC. Yes a definite downgrade! Saunders’ O is exactly what Allen described.
We most certainly don’t need Palmer now, it will be a waste and not a good fit. Campbell a better safe secure Conservative QB.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:43 am
Sign Ed Donnatello, Michaelangelo, Leonardo and Raphael to kick some ass on the D!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:44 am
The last time Al Saunders was a play caller was for a 2008 Rams team that went 2-14 and scored more than 20 points 3 times.
Let that sink in.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:44 am
DAV,
I don’t like a conservative offense (reason I wasn’t a huge fan of Gruden) which Knapp is known for over the last few years (Falcons, Raiders, and Seattle) Knapp’s offense didn’t impress me, but lack of quality QBs did contribute to that.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:44 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
I sure hope Allen knows what he’s doing, because Saunders to Knapp is a downgrade if you asked me.
Real head scratcher!
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Morning DMAC. Yes a definite downgrade! Saunders’ O is exactly what Allen described.
We most certainly don’t need Palmer now, it will be a waste and not a good fit. Campbell a better safe secure Conservative QB.
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Good point.
Resign Campbell and trade CP?
Hmmmmmmmm??????
January 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
RaiderYYZ Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:43 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:39 am
Did you look at Hue Jackson’s offenses from his past?
/Close case.
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What offenses? He’s never been an OC in the NFL before Oakland. What offenses?
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Are you serious?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
If Allen can persuade Donatell to come here as DC, then I will take the Knapp hire in stride! The Niners this year had a crap offense that did just enough for thier D to get that victory (and I don’t think we will be crappy on O)! And remember Baltimore never had an offense and NE in 2001 was all about their D! If we get Manusky, not sure what to think just hope it all falls into place!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
Chargers fire defensive coordinator Greg Manusky
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on January 5, 2012 (PFT)
The Chargers aren’t making the coaching changes that their fans wanted, but someone on Norv Turner’s staff will pay for the team’s second straight season out of the playoffs.
Defensive coordinator Greg Manusky has been fired, according to Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune.
Manusky, who came from San Francisco with an excellent reputation, oversaw San Diego’s defensive decline in 2011. The team fell from tenth in points allowed to 22nd and first in yards allowed to 16th.
It was a soft defense that struggled against physical competition. But the blame for that should primarily go to Chargers G.M. A.J. Smith, who has missed a lot more than he’s hit in drafts over the last few years. It’s not a talented group.
Chargers owner Dean Spanos talked about patience with Norv Turner, but Manusky won’t get the same consideration.
Manusky replaced Ron Rivera, who left last offseason for the Panthers head coaching job. Turner will have to hire his fourth defensive coordinator in six years with the Chargers.
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Doesn’t sound like getting fired from SD was so much an indictment on Manusky, but he was the fall guy for Spanos, Smith & Turner!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:46 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Y’all realize that NO ONE runs ZBS or power blocking exclusively, right?
And to be fair, if the Raiders are intending to start Veldheer – Wiz – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale, the line may perform better if they start to emphasize zone blocking more.
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Dont try and make sense YA, they dont like that.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:46 am
i hear what you are saying RR. i thought he said he watched he Raiders. not that he knew football, just that he was a fan and wanted to bring us back to those glory days !!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:47 am
DAV,
Saunders is well respected in the NFL, and well known for his EXPLOSIVE offense. He was a HC candidate a few years back. He is also known as one of the best OCs in the game like Norv, Cam, etc…
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
it’s about the good buddy network when it comes to hiring assistants and not about hiring the best possible candidates.
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The best possible candidate for any coordinator or assistant coaching gig is someone who works well with the rest of the coaching staff.
Even “successful” coordinators’ resumes tend to have at least a few places where they failed to make any meaningful impact.
You have guys like Kevin Gilbride, who is as unsexy of a name as there is in the NFL, but look what he’s doing with the Giants’ offense. He failed in Jacksonville, San Diego, Pittburgh, and Buffalo… and now he has a Superbowl ring, and might have another soon.
“Credentials” mean as much as the paper they’re printed on. The real test is how they work with the rest of the coaching staff and the team’s personnel.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:45 am
Doesn’t sound like getting fired from SD was so much an indictment on Manusky, but he was the fall guy for Spanos, Smith & Turner!
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That’s exactly what it was.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:47 am
DAV,
Saunders is well respected in the NFL, and well known for his EXPLOSIVE offense. He was a HC candidate a few years back. He is also known as one of the best OCs in the game like Norv, Cam, etc…
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Sometime a reputation can cloud facts. He was a HC candidate because Al Davis interviewed him, no one else did.
And did you just say Cam Cameron?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Y’all realize that NO ONE runs ZBS or power blocking exclusively, right?
And to be fair, if the Raiders are intending to start Veldheer – Wiz – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale, the line may perform better if they start to emphasize zone blocking more.
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The Texans run the ZBS exclusively. They may run some power zone, but it is still all zone with them.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
Very good point YA!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
AGAIN:
The last time Al Saunders was a play caller was for a 2008 Rams team that went 2-14 and scored more than 20 points 3 times.
Let that sink in.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Didn’t Kubiak learn that from Denver?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
We’ll see what happens. If the offense gets to conservative and if the offense regresses from what has been done the last two years.
Oh…Oh…..WATCH OUT!
I give Knapp one and half seasons before most of the fans want his azz out as OC!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:51 am
I’m strapping on my seatbelt for this one.
Still got your back Dennis!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:51 am
Knapp?
Say what?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Y’all realize that NO ONE runs ZBS or power blocking exclusively, right?
And to be fair, if the Raiders are intending to start Veldheer – Wiz – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale, the line may perform better if they start to emphasize zone blocking more.
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The Texans run the ZBS exclusively. They may run some power zone, but it is still all zone with them.
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You just contradicted yourself 3 times. They do, they dont, they do.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:52 am
# DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
AGAIN:
The last time Al Saunders was a play caller was for a 2008 Rams team that went 2-14 and scored more than 20 points 3 times.
Let that sink in.
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The Rams had no weapons on the outside in 2008 Holt was old and Bulger was noodle armed and beat up. I think Jackson was hurt also. The whole team sucked.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
Raiders hired Texans QBs coach Greg Knapp as offensive coordinator.
It’s his second go-round in Oakland after serving as Lane Kiffin and Tom Cable’s OC from 2007-08. Knapp has nine years of experience as an NFL coordinator. Each of the past three offenses he’s led have ranked in the bottom-10 of the league, however, and he is one of the most run-heavy playcallers of our generation. Knapp’s hiring all but assures the Raiders will retain free agent Michael Bush, likely with the franchise tag. From a fantasy perspective, Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
B. Cambell should at least compete for rt position put barksdale as rg, draft a LG and let wiz be center. I like that better.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
If we downgrade a bit on O, we better have a solid ass D to make up for it.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:51 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:49 am
# YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:42 am
Y’all realize that NO ONE runs ZBS or power blocking exclusively, right?
And to be fair, if the Raiders are intending to start Veldheer – Wiz – Satele – Carlisle – Barksdale, the line may perform better if they start to emphasize zone blocking more.
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The Texans run the ZBS exclusively. They may run some power zone, but it is still all zone with them.
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You just contradicted yourself 3 times. They do, they dont, they do
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WTF are you talking about?
The Texans run an EXCLUSIVE ZBS scheme….PERIOD!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:54 am
The Broncos have denied LBs coach Richard Smith permission to interview for the Raiders’ defensive coordinator vacancy.
The Broncos won’t be letting new Raiders coach Dennis Allen pillage his former staff. Smith was a candidate to replace Allen as the Broncos’ defensive coordinator before Jack Del Rio was hired. ESPN.com reports former Chargers DC Greg Manusky and 49ers DBs coach Ed Donatell are potential candidates to run Allen’s defense in Oakland
January 31st, 2012 at 9:54 am
DAV,
Raiders, Redskins and another team were interested as I remember. He did a lot for that KC offense.
I did say Cam.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:55 am
187.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
If we downgrade a bit on O, we better have a solid ass D to make up for it.
That is exactly what I am saying!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
LMAO Dakota!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:52 am
# DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:50 am
AGAIN:
The last time Al Saunders was a play caller was for a 2008 Rams team that went 2-14 and scored more than 20 points 3 times.
Let that sink in.
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The Rams had no weapons on the outside in 2008 Holt was old and Bulger was noodle armed and beat up. I think Jackson was hurt also. The whole team sucked.
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20 points. 3 times.
They also regressed from the previous year with a different OC.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
“From a fantasy perspective, Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson.”
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But we’re not playing in a fantasy league. We’re playing in the NFL. Big difference.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Are we going to rebuild the entire team.
WC system
ZBS
And fix the defense?!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Man what are we doing this suppose to be a new era in raider nation and we reach in the past and go get Greg knapp, mckenzie-Allen r u serious this is a new era hiring Greg knapp, if we have a losing season that will mean Allen u really don’t have a clue when it come to hiring a championship caliber coaching staff. Just great GREG KNAPP
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
18.DT42 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:10 am
ESPN is reporting that the Bronco’s denied permission to the Raiders to speak with Richard Smith. And that Kansas City defensive backs coach Emmitt Thomas and New Orleans defensive line coach Bill Johnson were dropped off as candidates.
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the west is scared and soon the entire league will be
were on our way back baby!!!
how does that old al davis saying go
when you got the right coaches
when you got the right people in office
when you got the right players
all there is left to do is JUST WIN BABY
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC,
That’s not stupid. Teams do that all the time.
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
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Because it was Hue Jackson’s playbook?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am
195.RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:57 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:53 am
“From a fantasy perspective, Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson.”
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But we’re not playing in a fantasy league. We’re playing in the NFL. Big difference.
I know…didn’t write that!
January 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Knapp?
Say what????
This is a joke right?
What’s next, Wink Martindale for DC?
January 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC,
That’s not stupid. Teams do that all the time.
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OK
So lets do it!
lol
That way everyone is happy.
Saunders playbook, but no play calling.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:00 am
Does Reggie have any input in asst. coach hiring?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:00 am
202.Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Knapp?
Say what????
This is a joke right?
What’s next, Wink Martindale for DC?
OUCH!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
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Because it was Hue Jackson’s playbook?
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I don’t think so, but I may be wrong. The truth is probably neither one of us knows, unless you know Hue or Saunders.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Knapp is a ZBS guy. McFadden does not play well behind that type of line. He’s not a one-cut guy.
And his offenses have been really mediocre to bad.
Why hire this guy except that they’re old buddies?
Wrong hire man. He’s not innovative. He’s not fast paced moving offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
jraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:00 am
Does Reggie have any input in asst. coach hiring?
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I’m sure it’s a collaborative process, but Allen will have final say.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
This news is disheartening……zone blocking system and Knapp?
Might as well trade McFadden I guess.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Knapp is one of the most run-heavy playcallers of our generation. Knapp’s hiring all but assures the Raiders will retain free agent Michael Bush, likely with the franchise tag.
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thanks, Hwnrdr!
2012 Raiders = #1 Rushing Offense, #10 Passing Offense
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:54 am
DAV,
Raiders, Redskins and another team were interested as I remember. He did a lot for that KC offense.
I did say Cam.
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Well bro, the facts are the last time he did anything good with an offense was 2005.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Well, we’ll lose at least 5-6 (minmum) in points scored and yards.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
The Texans run the ZBS exclusively. They may run some power zone, but it is still all zone with them.
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Again, no team runs any system exclusively. It’s only a matter of what they emphasize more.
I love how people freak out over 4-3 v.s. 3-4, ZBS v.s. power blocking, WCO v.s. Air Coryell, like any one of those is invariably better than the other.
It all comes down to talent evaluation and coaching. Find players who do what you need them to do. If you have players who can’t do that, then find a way to let them do what they’re best at. But most importantly, COACH them. Get them to buy in.
No single system is pure. Good coaches put their players in the position to succeed, and adapt to certain situations when it’s necessary.
The most promising thing about the 2012 season is that with no single voice from the top dictating what the coaches need to do or else, the Raiders finally have a staff who has the freedom to do what is necessary to win football games.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
Read a good article on Bill Bellicheks film study sessions where he singles out player that either messed up on a play (got burned, etc) or made stupid penalties! Maybe Allen should employ that method when working on cutting down on bone headed penalties, and receivers running wrong routs!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Knapp is one of the most run-heavy playcallers of our generation. Knapp’s hiring all but assures the Raiders will retain free agent Michael Bush, likely with the franchise tag.
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thanks, Hwnrdr!
2012 Raiders = #1 Rushing Offense, #10 Passing Offense
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Throw in top 5 scoring, and I’ve got no problem with that.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
“There are two similar but distinct offensive-strategic-systems of play which are commonly referred to as “West Coast Offenses”: (A) the Air Coryell system popularized by Don Coryell; or (B) more commonly the offensive system popularized by Bill Walsh characterized by short, horizontal passing routes in lieu of running plays to “stretch out” defenses, opening up the potential for long runs or long passes.”
Which can we expect from Knapp?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
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Because it was Hue Jackson’s playbook?
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I don’t think so, but I may be wrong. The truth is probably neither one of us knows, unless you know Hue or Saunders.
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Hue said it when Al was hired. Its still “my playbook” but were gonna add some of Al’s to it.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
DMAC,
That’s part of the issue. Knapp as an OC was very conservative with the Falcons, Raiders, and Seattle. It’s not about the play book, but more about the play caller.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:03 am
Read a good article on Bill Bellicheks film study sessions where he singles out player that either messed up on a play (got burned, etc) or made stupid penalties! Maybe Allen should employ that method when working on cutting down on bone headed penalties, and receivers running wrong routs!
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I’m also sure you’ll frequent penalizers benched or even cut, which Hue never ever ever did last year.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:05 am
Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson.
Agreed.
Jackson > Saunders >>>>Knapp
January 31st, 2012 at 10:05 am
DMAC,
Other reasons are the WC system & ZBS.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:05 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
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Because it was Hue Jackson’s playbook?
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This is wrong. Jackson brought part of Saunders playbook to the Raiders the year before last.
Saunders has over 700 pages in it and it was too much for Jackson to comprehend.
Jackson said as much back then.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I don’t give a FK what we run on Offense or Defense!
The bottom line is we better score more points on the board, than the opposing team.
Nuff said!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
Raccoon,
I would love to have Hue as an OC.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Isn’t that what Allen kind of hinted at when addressing the penalty problem?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Here you go….
Al Saunders becomes the Raiders’ air traffic controller
New offensive coordinator, hired to improve a poor passing game, has an impressive resume and a more impressive playbook.
August 19, 2011|By Sam Farmer
Reporting From Napa, Calif. — The Oakland Raiders were the NFL’s second-ranked running team last season, yet were 23rd when it came to throwing the ball.
Not to worry.
Al will address that.
That’s Al Saunders, not Raiders owner Al Davis.
Saunders, who oversaw some of the more successful passing offenses in NFL history, was hired this year as Oakland’s offensive coordinator, filling the job vacancy created when Hue Jackson was promoted to head coach.
It was a move that brought Saunders’ career full circle, seeing as the 64-year-old coach once worked as a Raiders ball boy and twice interviewed with Davis for the job as head coach.
“It was the right time in my career to be part of this organization,” said Saunders, who worked with Jackson in Baltimore in 2009, and before that in Washington with Jason Campbell, now quarterback of the Raiders.
Saunders had a 17-22 record as coach of the San Diego Chargers from 1986 to 1988 — the man who took over when Don Coryell stepped down — but his credentials as an offensive assistant were polished to a high-gloss shine. He was the receivers coach in St. Louis when the Rams were the “greatest show on turf,” collecting a Super Bowl ring for his efforts. Later, he followed Coach Dick Vermeil to Kansas City, where Saunders was offensive coordinator for a unit that led the NFL with an average of 380.9 yards per game from 2001 to 2005.
With the Redskins in 2006-07, Saunders got to know Campbell, the first-round pick from Auburn who had to familiarize himself with the coach’s 700-page playbook.
“It was,” Campbell recalled, “like Webster’s Dictionary.”
Saunders still lugs that massive tome from team to team, although he knows nobody will use it in its entirety.
Jackson, for instance, who will be calling the plays for the Raiders, said he has done some heavy-duty editing in that Yellow Pages-thick playbook.
“I can’t handle 700 pages,” Jackson said, laughing. “My mind can’t think of all that stuff. I’ve got to keep it simple for myself and my players. We’re putting together the 2011 Raiders offense.
“I say [pretending to flip through a playbook], ‘We’ll take this, won’t take that. We’ll do this, won’t do that.’ Sometimes you just strike it off and say, ‘No.’ … I think we’re now getting to the point where there’s a language that Al, I and the staff speak. The players are learning that.”
Still, the Raiders have their hands full with challenges. They have a slew of injuries to the receiving corps, something that will be readily apparent in Saturday’s exhibition game against San Francisco, and the improvements to the passing game are not going to be instant.
Saunders also has the challenge of squeezing production out of third-year receiver Darrius Heyward-Bey, the No. 7 pick in 2009 who so far has been a major disappointment.
While saying Heyward-Bey has “unlimited” potential, Saunders said one mistake the receiver makes is jumping when the ball is thrown to him, whether he needs to or not, thereby slightly altering his sight lines.
“Part of our job as coaches is to make sure we do things with him so he keeps his feet on the ground and can catch the ball on an even keel all the time,” Saunders said.
He said Campbell needs to find stability in a different sense, to get comfortable with one offense — a scheme he knows from their days together in Washington — and catch his breath after a revolving door of coaches who have come in and out of his career.
“Now he’s learning one technique one year, and then all of a sudden a new language and another technique another year and it’s really hard in times of stress to fall back on a basic concept of doing everything,” Saunders said.
“So the thing that’s kind of curtailed what he probably can be ultimately as a quarterback — if he was in one system ever since he came in the National Football League, with one coordinator and one position coach — he would be far, far more developed than he is now.”
There’s no changing the past, of course. Saunders does think he can have an impact on the club’s future, though.
“When you get to the tail end of your career, there are a lot of things more important in what you do than some other things,” he said. “And I would love to see this franchise return to the way it was when I was a kid growing up.
“I’d like to help the guy that I was a ball boy for years ago maybe return this franchise to the class and the quality that it was many years ago.”
http://articles.latimes.com/print/2011/aug/19/sports/la-sp-farmer-raiders-saunders-20110820
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Bummer….Allen is killing his own coaching legacy right off the bat with this hire.
Well, who will be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:58 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:56 am
So why not Keep Saunders playbook and have Knapp call the plays? It might sound stupid, but WTF?
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Because it was Hue Jackson’s playbook?
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I don’t think so, but I may be wrong. The truth is probably neither one of us knows, unless you know Hue or Saunders.
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Hue said it when Al was hired. Its still “my playbook” but were gonna add some of Al’s to it.
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Its kind of hard believing anything that comes out of Hue’s mouth, but I’ll give him the edge on this one.
Hue>Knapp
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:06 am
I don’t give a FK what we run on Offense or Defense!
The bottom line is we better score more points on the board, than the opposing team.
Nuff said!
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Exactly.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:04 am
DMAC,
That’s part of the issue. Knapp as an OC was very conservative with the Falcons, Raiders, and Seattle. It’s not about the play book, but more about the play caller.
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I hear you dog.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Bummer….Allen is killing his own coaching legacy right off the bat with this hire.
Well, who will be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
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You’re asking what the coaching landscape will be like 7, 8, 9 years from now?
Who knows???
January 31st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Well looks like we lost another coach…TE coach Henry leaving for LSU!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raiderzmaverick Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:01 am
Knapp is a ZBS guy. McFadden does not play well behind that type of line. He’s not a one-cut guy.
And his offenses have been really mediocre to bad.
Why hire this guy except that they’re old buddies?
Wrong hire man. He’s not innovative. He’s not fast paced moving offense.
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Well said.
It is not just Knapp’s “style” of O, it is his sever LACK of creativeness and LACK of Explosiveness. Waaaayyy to many 3 and outs. Not enough points.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:12 am
So is Wylie gone yet, w/ the Knapp hire?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:12 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Well looks like we lost another coach…TE coach Henry leaving for LSU!
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I think it would be easier if you came to grips with the fact that we might have a totally different staff.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:12 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Well looks like we lost another coach…TE coach Henry leaving for LSU!
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I think it would be easier if you came to grips with the fact that we might have a totally different staff.
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I hope Wylie and Classic Wiz are kept. Meh on the rest.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just have a hard time understanding a high tempo Offense being ran w/ Knapp?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:14 am
We might? LOL…I know, just threw that out there!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:14 am
At what point will coach Allen look around at his staff and say to himself:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TXJ_QsquRZ8
January 31st, 2012 at 10:14 am
237.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just have a hard time understanding a high tempo Offense being ran w/ Knapp?
High tempo when stoned?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Did they cut loose the water boy yet?
Where do I sign Dennis?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Dakota,
W Moss!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:15 am
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:14 am
237.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just have a hard time understanding a high tempo Offense being ran w/ Knapp?
High tempo when stoned?
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Well then………..
Pass that schit!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
LMAO Hwnrdr!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
coaching hires 2
semi-pros 0
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just have a hard time understanding a high tempo Offense being ran w/ Knapp?
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What is your opinion on what high tempo is?
The Texans went no huddle a lot this year.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
Did they cut loose the water boy yet?
LOL DMAC…..bring RunRun back !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
So what is going to be a bigger disaster? Raiders record come December or the Mayan calendar running out?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Bummer….Allen is killing his own coaching legacy right off the bat with this hire.
Well, who will be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
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You’re asking what the coaching landscape will be like 7, 8, 9 years from now?
Who knows???
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Duck, why do you like Knapp so much? Please explain.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:17 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:13 am
I just have a hard time understanding a high tempo Offense being ran w/ Knapp?
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He meant “High-Tempo” in terms of running plays quickly after one another, not necessarily the TYPES of plays.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:18 am
i like hwnrdrs answer better…. puff puff pass !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:18 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Bummer….Allen is killing his own coaching legacy right off the bat with this hire.
Well, who will be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
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You’re asking what the coaching landscape will be like 7, 8, 9 years from now?
Who knows???
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Duck, why do you like Knapp so much? Please explain.
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I’m trusting Reggie and DA to hire the right people. I also don’t see why everybody views Knapp (an experienced NFL hand who had great results this past season) as the second coming of Bed & Breakfast Walsh.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:19 am
might have to be high as hell to watch this offence this year !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson
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Raider QB’s threw 23 INT’s last year. We ranked 16th in points scored (offense)
all this despite Palmer & Campbell both completing over 60% of their passes and being sacked a combined 22 times on the season.
penalties & turnovers are huge when it comes to wins & losses. Greg Knapp will fix this!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Im not gonna assume I know what Allen meant by high tempo, but we can use logical thinking to determine what that is.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ll have to kick back and see, but a high tempo Offense to me is a lot of no huddle.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ll have to kick back and see, but a high tempo Offense to me is a lot of no huddle.
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Id agree.
And the Texans did that A LOT this season.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
That’s probably what its gonna be…puff puff pass! Those two puffs better gain some dam ground!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Another thing, we might as well trade McFaddy. Bush is a better ZBS runner and can catch fine.
We finally get a good QB and a Great RB at the same time and these clowns wanna tear it down and start over???
January 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Waited too long to hire the HC. All the good coordinators are gone.
Could have gotten the former Pitt OC or the former Colts HC as our OC.
Mike Nolan-gone…..
bummer
January 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ll have to kick back and see, but a high tempo Offense to me is a lot of no huddle.
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Id agree.
And the Texans did that A LOT this season.
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Hey, like I said. We’ll just have to wait and see. Now who does he bring in as DC? I think thats the real question that might determine our season.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
I hope Wylie and Classic Wiz are kept
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Agreed!
Waufle, Henry, Fassel & Lal have found work elsewhere. good for them. Shouldn’t Hue Jackson be next on the list?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Waited too long to hire the HC. All the good coordinators are gone.
Could have gotten the former Pitt OC or the former Colts HC as our OC.
Mike Nolan-gone…..
bummer
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Reggie was brain picking. Remember?
lol
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:20 am
I’ll have to kick back and see, but a high tempo Offense to me is a lot of no huddle.
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Id agree.
And the Texans did that A LOT this season.
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I love the no-huddle. CP’s got the football smarts to run it, and when run well, it keeps the defense from swapping out players, calling the right formations, etc.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
NO MORE FREE RIDES FOR PLAYERS AND COACHES IN OAKLAND
all losers and guys who arent doing thier jobs are finding the door
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:22 am
Waited too long to hire the HC. All the good coordinators are gone.
Could have gotten the former Pitt OC or the former Colts HC as our OC.
Mike Nolan-gone…..
bummer
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You would rather have Caldwell?!?! wow..
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
freaking zone blocking offense again? i remember dmac being really bad at it….great.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:25 am
GM McKenzie
HC Allen
OC Knapp
DC Donatell or Manusky?
2012 Raiders = 12-4
January 31st, 2012 at 10:25 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:18 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:16 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Bummer….Allen is killing his own coaching legacy right off the bat with this hire.
Well, who will be the next head coach of the Oakland Raiders?
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You’re asking what the coaching landscape will be like 7, 8, 9 years from now?
Who knows???
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Duck, why do you like Knapp so much? Please explain.
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I’m trusting Reggie and DA to hire the right people. I also don’t see why everybody views Knapp (an experienced NFL hand who had great results this past season) as the second coming of Bed & Breakfast Walsh.
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Why would do you trust Reggie and Allen?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Joe,
Great article, thx.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:26 am
If Allen’s high tempo Offense is ran like the Charger game at SD, than watch out!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:27 am
Exactly Raccoon. Reggie and Allen are rookies. I like both, but I’m not ready to trust everything they do. They need to establish credibility first. You do by winning games!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
The key to the offense is not the O.C., but the D.Mac.
If McFadden is healthy, Knapp will do just fine. We need a more conservative offense that will encourage Palmer to protect the ball. Go deep to Moore a few times a game. Throw Ford some slants. Involve Boss in the middle of the field. All is good.
If McFadden is not healthy, anything can happen. I dont’ see us making the playoffs with Bush as the main guy. I’m not sure that we can run a pass-first offense without Palmer throwing too many picks.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
olinesux Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:24 am
freaking zone blocking offense again? i remember dmac being really bad at it….great.
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DMac was also injured for much of his first two seasons. That’s how people around here justified DMac sitting out the bulk of the 2011 season – because he doesn’t play well when he’s injured.
I think people should worry more about whether DMac is ever going to contribute when it counts, and less about how much zone blocking the line might do.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
I hope Wylie and Classic Wiz are kept
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Agreed!
Waufle, Henry, Fassel & Lal have found work elsewhere. good for them. Shouldn’t Hue Jackson be next on the list?
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Wylie and Wiz are not ZBS guys.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Knapp = T.O’s Bi..h!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Fassel is no loss.
The one coach from the Kiffin era I wish we could get back was that special teams coach…Brien Schnieder I think his name was….
January 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
YA i definetly agree with you about mcfadden
January 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
freaking zone blocking offense again? i remember dmac being really bad at it….great.
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Darren McFadden was a rookie last time we ran a ZBS. He had an injured shoulder and turf toe on both feet. That was before we had Veldheer, Wiz or Satele. We’re talking about guys like Gallery, Henderson, Morris & Green blocking for him!
oh yeah, and we still finished 10th in the NFL at rushing – despite starting JaWalrus at QB as no legit passing threat
January 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
I hope Wylie and Classic Wiz are kept
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2nd that. Keep Woodson while you’re at it.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
Raiders just lost their TE coach, Henry. He is now going to coach the WRs at LSU.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
277.Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:29 am
Fassel is no loss.
The one coach from the Kiffin era I wish we could get back was that special teams coach…Brien Schnieder I think his name was….
He’s up north with Pete Carrol
January 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
The key to the offense is not the O.C., but the D.Mac.
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If the Raiders rely on DMac being the centerpiece of their offense in 2012, then they will indeed regress.
Teams who lean on their running backs = Vikings, Jaguars, and to a lesser extent, the Titans. How far did that get them?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:32 am
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Why would do you trust Reggie and Allen?
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Because Reggie’s a veteran, respected football mind. He has faith in Allen to hire the right people.
Part of this is that we’re so used to Al’s (RIP) dysfunction that we don’t remember how sane NFL organizations run.
In sane NFL organizations, the GM is given control to hire the head coach. The head coach hires his assistants, in consultation with the GM.
The owner does not have assistants already in place, with a “take it or leave it” ultimatum to any new head coach. The owner does not dictate offensive and defensive schemes, even to the point of ordering coaches to activate and inactivate certain players.
We’re now a sanely run NFL organization. It may take time, but our ceiling is now much, much higher than it has been in years.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:32 am
I love Boss, but thought we didn’t utilize his skills last season. There might not of been too many plays drawn up for him, but we all know that CP doesn’t throw much to his TE’s. Why not trade him for some picks, if we’re not going to use him in the passing game?
We have Myers and Gordon who are solid run blockers.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:32 am
280.jraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:23 am
I hope Wylie and Classic Wiz are kept
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2nd that. Keep Woodson while you’re at it.
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Keep Woodson? What exactly about all those TDs our secondary gave up makes you want to keep Woodson around?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:33 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:19 am
Knapp is a steep downgrade on the aggressive and creative Hue Jackson
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Raider QB’s threw 23 INT’s last year. We ranked 16th in points scored (offense)
all this despite Palmer & Campbell both completing over 60% of their passes and being sacked a combined 22 times on the season.
penalties & turnovers are huge when it comes to wins & losses. Greg Knapp will fix this!!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Knapp aka TO’s Bi..h is not fixing anything. Did you forget what TO yelling st him with that dumb look on his face.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
I think our offense will drop probably 8-10 places so we’ll be around 18th or 20th (despite having a better QB playing for the full year).
Probably will gain 8-10 slots on defense (no matter who our D-Coordinator will be we’d probably do that just by getting rid of Bresnehan).
So, we’re looking at 8-8 or at best 9-7. Looks like we’re striving for mediocrity with the hires so far.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Part of this is that we’re so used to Al’s (RIP) dysfunction that we don’t remember how sane NFL organizations run.
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Word, there’s a lot of that going around here.
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In sane NFL organizations, the GM is given control to hire the head coach. The head coach hires his assistants, in consultation with the GM.
The owner does not have assistants already in place, with a “take it or leave it” ultimatum to any new head coach. The owner does not dictate offensive and defensive schemes, even to the point of ordering coaches to activate and inactivate certain players.
We’re now a sanely run NFL organization. It may take time, but our ceiling is now much, much higher than it has been in years.
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Completely agreed.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
When TOs was yelling at….
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Cable took over for Knapp’s playcalling it was so bad LOL
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
279.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:30 am
freaking zone blocking offense again? i remember dmac being really bad at it….great.
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Darren McFadden was a rookie last time we ran a ZBS. He had an injured shoulder and turf toe on both feet. That was before we had Veldheer, Wiz or Satele. We’re talking about guys like Gallery, Henderson, Morris & Green blocking for him!
oh yeah, and we still finished 10th in the NFL at rushing – despite starting JaWalrus at QB as no legit passing threat
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yup thats the way i remember it
so again the jawalus effect skews anybodys stat no matter how good of a coach or coordinator they are
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
291,
Right?!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Well…I guess I have to be optimistic. We definitely will be gettting an upgrade at defensive coordinator so overall we shouldn’t lose that much ground.
I was just hoping he would be talking at the press conference in honesty. I mean, if you were looking to be the BEST of the BEST (i.e. get a championship) WHY the heck would you hire Knapp? Based on WHAT?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
it is a new era in Raider football as it looks like we are moving towards more of a Ravens/Steelers model of a team than what we have been in the past.
Sigh… I was looking forward to a lot of 3-wide sets of DHB, Ford, & Moore with Run DMC in the back-field and we’re going to get ground & pound.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
Raiders just lost their TE coach, Henry. He is now going to coach the WRs at LSU.
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cant lose someone who wasnt under contract.. can you?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Good hire. Everybody settle down.
Totally different roster and circumstance than ‘07-’08.
We’re built for running the ball. And wait till you see what Palmer can do with play action on a regular basis. I don’t expect this to be a dink and dunk O anymore!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Hey it’s not a signed deal yet, maybe Knapp will pull a Peyton and back out.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:37 am
DOES ANYONE HAVE ANY POSITIVE SPIN TO THE KNAPP HIRE? I mean, like…well, at least we’ll be a lot more concervative so won’t have to worry about that many explosive plays any more.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:37 am
to me HC Allen looks like a genetic experiment that cross-bred a 1950’s FBI agent with a Roswell crash victim.
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Knapp now has a QB to work with in Oaktown.
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At what date does McInjury get put on the shelf this year?
Super Bowl after party?
OTA’s?
Camp?
First game of the preseason?
First game of the regular season?
Hope Reggie is working Plan B already.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Anyone referring to a Jamarcus Russell lead offense loses all credibility IMO.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
why does everyone prognosticate like we have Michael Bush on our roster: Silver & Black Pride, Bleacher report, bloggers here.
People wake up, he is an unrestricted free agent; he can sign anywhere, unless the Raiders want to pay him 8 million (after CJ’s & AP’s new contracts thats what franchise tags on rbs will cost).
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:31 am
RaiderfanNY Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:28 am
The key to the offense is not the O.C., but the D.Mac.
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If the Raiders rely on DMac being the centerpiece of their offense in 2012, then they will indeed regress.
Teams who lean on their running backs = Vikings, Jaguars, and to a lesser extent, the Titans. How far did that get them?
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That may be the case, when you have no other weapons on your team.
I think we have weapons on the O, beside DMAC.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:39 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:34 am
Cable took over for Knapp’s playcalling it was so bad LOL
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Thats a FACT JACK and it still stings!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:40 am
for 8 million+, we could get Carl Nicks, Soliai, Mario, Colston, Flynn, Landry starters on the Raiders roster; Bush would be a back up to McFadden
January 31st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Wylie and Wiz are not ZBS guys.
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says who?
Bob Wylie has been coaching O-Lines since 1980 bro. thats 32 friggin years! Wiz has 1 year of coaching OL under his belt (under Wylie last year).
Wylie used to be the O-Line coach for the Donkeys when they ran a ZBS. Who says he doesn’t know anything about it?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:41 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:40 am
for 8 million+, we could get Carl Nicks, Soliai, Mario, Colston, Flynn, Landry starters on the Raiders roster; Bush would be a back up to McFadden
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All that for 8 million?…
January 31st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Basic Cable thought he can do better than Knapp.
That’s all you need to know about Knapp.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Its going to come down to our Defense fellas!
Let’s see who Allen has in store for us.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Then Cable blamed Jamarcus for holding the team back. He also decided trying a 76yd field goal was a good idea as well!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:43 am
Are Dmac and carson palmer now on the bubble with the arrival of greg knapp?
Knapp is a wco, coach, I have seen him run 3 different versions of that offense. Palmer is not a fit for this offense, im not sure he has vere played in a wco. The wco is all about short passing timing and accurate throws. Your qb must also be nimble on his feet to be able to run boot leg, roll outs, and in the event of quick pressure on short drops. We know carson doesnt have that in his game. He is now miscast in an offense that doesnt fit his skill set. I wonder how long he will last if he struggles to learn the playbook and struggles.
Jc has played in a wco, and was decent, pryor is a complete unknown at this point. he has the mobility, but in the wco you must be accurate and your mechanics must be solid, to execute the 3 and 5 step drop quick passing game. im curious what allen knapp and big mack have up their sleeves. All 3 qbs are now on thin ice.
Dmac was terrible in the zone scheme, this coupled with his injury issues seem to be a bad omen. I wonder just how much time he has left in a raider uniform.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DAV,
My FA wish list:
1- Mario Williams, if he becomes a FA
2- C Nicks/ B Grubbs
3- T Porter
27-30 million in annual salary.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Anyone referring to a Jamarcus Russell lead offense loses all credibility IMO.
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Look at what Mike McCoy did for Tebow.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
That may be the case, when you have no other weapons on your team.
I think we have weapons on the O, beside DMAC.
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I do too. Which is why I think if the Raiders simply add another two running backs (either Michael Bush or a replacement for him, and another RB who can contribute when McFadden gets hurt) to help keep the offense on schedule, they can lean on the QB, the leader of their offense, like successful football teams do.
I expect big things from Moore this season. I think you’ll see the TEs contribute more consistently. And I expect to see Ford healthy for more of the season than he was in 2011. With those things, and maybe another solid year from DHB, the Raiders will be fine on offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
76 yard FG was Kiffin
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
70.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Tom Cable took over play calling from Knapp, why?
My THEORY is he sucked so bad that even Cable thought he can do better!
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Thats not a theory, its a fact. Cabes playcalling wasn’t great but compared to Knapps it was.
I hope we keep Saunders on in some type of roll, I have a feeling were going to need him, sooner rather then later.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
310.SaintKaufman Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:42 am
Then Cable blamed Jamarcus for holding the team back. He also decided trying a 76yd field goal was a good idea as well!
Wasn’t that Kiffen?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
Let Bush walk.
Bring BEAST MODE, back to the town!!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
@MWSportsWatch Sam Mamudi
Oakland ditches plans for new A’s ballpark; will look at revamping O.co Coliseum to keep team: bit.ly/xsNejW (via @BrianHConnolly)
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
It’s funny reading all the posts about Knapp even the peeps that are ok with the re-hiring of Greg really arnt excited about it or really supporting him, they are blindly supporting McKenzie and Allen.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
I agree. There are plenty of FAs I would rather have over a backup RB for 7-8 million.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Knapp is not fixing anything. Did you forget what TO yelling at him with that dumb look on his face
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O,
Terrell Owens has yelled at a lot of coaches & teammates. That doesn’t mean they are bad at what they do. What did you want Knapp to do? punch him in the face? Because that would have netted him ZERO coaching jobs in the future.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
RaiderRetribution Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
why does everyone prognosticate like we have Michael Bush on our roster: Silver & Black Pride, Bleacher report, bloggers here.
People wake up, he is an unrestricted free agent; he can sign anywhere, unless the Raiders want to pay him 8 million (after CJ’s & AP’s new contracts thats what franchise tags on rbs will cost).
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I doubt a regular Franchise tag would cost that much. Maybe an ERFA would, but Reggie’s not going to use that.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
I don’t see what the big deal is with Mark Davis’s hair. Frankly I think it’s childish to sit there and insult people based on their physical appearance. From this angle, his hair looks quite normal.
http://bit.ly/w5AKMC
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:02 am
This news is disheartening……zone blocking system and Knapp?
Might as well trade McFadden I guess.
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I KNEW you’d come around eventually! The truth shall set you free (unless you are a spook).
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Was it? Damn it!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
322.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:46 am
Knapp is not fixing anything. Did you forget what TO yelling at him with that dumb look on his face
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O,
Terrell Owens has yelled at a lot of coaches & teammates. That doesn’t mean they are bad at what they do. What did you want Knapp to do? punch him in the face? Because that would have netted him ZERO coaching jobs in the future.
That would have been funny as he** though!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
This is a great day for Raider Nation.
We finally have smart experienced football people running the organization.
We have been in the wilderness for a long time…
January 31st, 2012 at 10:47 am
Draft Terrance Ganaway and/or Isaiah Pead, maybe bring in Mike Tolbert if Bush wants more than $3 million a season.
Don’t break bank on a running back.
If the right offer comes for McFadden, take it. If not, try to restructure his contract.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:48 am
I predict Saunders takes over play calling by week 5.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
297.SaintKaufman Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Good hire. Everybody settle down.
Totally different roster and circumstance than ‘07-’08.
We’re built for running the ball. And wait till you see what Palmer can do with play action on a regular basis. I don’t expect this to be a dink and dunk O anymore!
^^^^^^
Nah. This is just a buddy and familiarity hire and not about hiring the best candidate.
Knapp has alot to prove as the primary caller, especially with the weapons the Raiders have on offense.
The talent on offense better not be wasted with Knapp calling plays!
If the offensive system in place wasn’t broke, than why fix it??
An unecessary change.
Like I said, Knapp will have alot to prove on offense this upcoming season.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
Wait Rockstar…Buddy Ryan still had a job after he punched Kevin Gilbride!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
OC is irrelevant. We’re a defensive team now. Our o-coordinator is expected to put up about 20 points a game and keep our offense on the field for at least 30 minutes. Defensive team needs an offense that’s high percentage, makes little mistakes, and gives the defense rest. Knapp is fine. Those of you wanting an offensive coordinator that will put up 35 points a game can just forget it now. Defensive minded GM, defensive minded HC, we’re not going to be a big scoring team. Just get over it.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
@MWSportsWatch Sam Mamudi
Oakland ditches plans for new A’s ballpark; will look at revamping O.co Coliseum to keep team: bit.ly/xsNejW (via @BrianHConnolly)
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What?
Another MT. Davis on the other side of the coliseum.
lol
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Anyone referring to a Jamarcus Russell lead offense loses all credibility IMO.
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Look at what Mike McCoy did for Tebow.
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Did you really just make that comparison?
Tebow has the work ethic of an amish carpenter.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
Basic Cable thought he can do better than Knapp.
That’s all you need to know about Knapp.
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O,
Was Cable a tremendous judge of talent or skill?
since being stripped of his OC position, Knapp how now been re-hired as OC twice
Cable will never be a play caller again. Hue Jackson nailed it when he labeled Tom Cable a “line coach” and nothing more.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
When was the last time Knapp actually called the plays? Seattle? I am sure Kubiak called the plays in Houston.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
316.realtruraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
70.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 8:41 am
Tom Cable took over play calling from Knapp, why?
My THEORY is he sucked so bad that even Cable thought he can do better!
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Thats not a theory, its a fact. Cabes playcalling wasn’t great but compared to Knapps it was.
I hope we keep Saunders on in some type of roll, I have a feeling were going to need him, sooner rather then later.
^^^^^^^
Keep Saunders as QB coach or WR coach!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
334.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:45 am
@MWSportsWatch Sam Mamudi
Oakland ditches plans for new A’s ballpark; will look at revamping O.co Coliseum to keep team: bit.ly/xsNejW (via @BrianHConnolly)
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What?
Another MT. Davis on the other side of the coliseum.
lol
LOL…
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
297.SaintKaufman Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:36 am
Good hire. Everybody settle down.
Totally different roster and circumstance than ‘07-’08.
We’re built for running the ball. And wait till you see what Palmer can do with play action on a regular basis. I don’t expect this to be a dink and dunk O anymore!
^^^^^^^^
Nah. This is just a buddy and familiarity hire and not about hiring the best candidate!
Knapp has alot to prove as the primary caller, especially with the weapons the Raiders have on offense.
The talent on offense better not be wasted with Knapp calling plays!
If the offensive system in place wasn’t broke, than why fix it??
An unecessary change.
Like I said, Knapp will have alot to prove on offense this upcoming season.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Hwnrdr,
Do you think Tom C (Giants’ HC), the Harbaugh brothers, or any good disciplinarian coach will allow this?
I don’t think so bro.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
It’s amazing how many Raider fans can’t grasp that we’re a defensive team now. Do you guys really not understand this, or is it willful ignorance? This is weird.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:48 am
I predict Saunders takes over play calling by week 5.
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That’s nice.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
To win, Knapp must:
> Keep Wylie
> Do not overuse stretch/ZBS runs
> Keep the successful pass plays from last season
> Get Boss involved
> Build a no huddle offense with CP calling reads at the LOS
> Find a pain PILL that the spoiled quitter DMAC will take
January 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:41 am
Wylie and Wiz are not ZBS guys.
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says who?
Bob Wylie has been coaching O-Lines since 1980 bro. thats 32 friggin years! Wiz has 1 year of coaching OL under his belt (under Wylie last year).
Wylie used to be the O-Line coach for the Donkeys when they ran a ZBS. Who says he doesn’t know anything about it?
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Might wanna re-check your math. Wylie was brought to Denver to change to a Power/Man blocking scheam.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:52 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
It’s amazing how many Raider fans can’t grasp that we’re a defensive team now. Do you guys really not understand this, or is it willful ignorance? This is weird.
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What’s so terrible about being a defensive team? I’d rather be an 12-4 defensive team than an 8-8 offensive one.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:53 am
341.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:51 am
Hwnrdr,
Do you think Tom C (Giants’ HC), the Harbaugh brothers, or any good disciplinarian coach will allow this?
I don’t think so bro.
Allow what? Knapp punching someone in teh face or a receiver yelling at his OC?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Hwnrdr,
Punch him in the face! The Tuna would have done it. Jim Harbaugh and the Lions’ coach would do it I bet.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Buddy Ryan still had a job after he punched Kevin Gilbride!
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Hwnrdr,
Ryan was hired by the Cards, where he had a record of 12-20.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
WR yelling at his coach.
lol
January 31st, 2012 at 10:55 am
if you listened to HC Dennis you might have heard him say that the offense as well as the defense are going to be implemented using Allen’s wishes, using things he wants to see not what Knapp wants to see.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:55 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:50 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Anyone referring to a Jamarcus Russell lead offense loses all credibility IMO.
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Look at what Mike McCoy did for Tebow.
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Did you really just make that comparison?
Tebow has the work ethic of an amish carpenter.
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Yeah I know.
I wasn’t talking worth ethics.
I was talking about knowing what type of player you have and trying to adjust the game plan to their strengths.
I don’t Jesus could of worked w/ Jasizzurp.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:55 am
349.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Buddy Ryan still had a job after he punched Kevin Gilbride!
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Hwnrdr,
Ryan was hired by the Cards, where he had a record of 12-20.
And isn’t that where he punched Gilbride?
January 31st, 2012 at 10:56 am
348.Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:54 am
Hwnrdr,
Punch him in the face! The Tuna would have done it. Jim Harbaugh and the Lions’ coach would do it I bet.
I would have loved to see Schwartz run after Harbaugh and blast him…LOL, just kidding!
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
lots of palmer worshipers noticeably silent this morning.
The stop gap qb is in deep trouble, his future is looking more and more finite with each passing second. We will be drafting a qb in 2013.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
LOL,knew this would happen.Everyone having panic attacks because DA didn’t hire ‘their’ guy as OC .The same will happen when the DC is announced.Knapp wasn’t conservative last year.When he was here before and the bust was QB people used to complain that he didn’t run the ball often enough and let the bust throw too much.Knapp is a highly respected NFL coach.Let’s give him a chance now that we have NFL caliber players before throwing him under the bus.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:58 am
Have you guys seen any of the interviews with Wylie? The guy is a total throwback, I love listening to that guy talk. He needs to be kept.
January 31st, 2012 at 10:58 am
RR,
I’m having fun with it. We all know The Fat Monkey was an idiot,
January 31st, 2012 at 10:58 am
Might wanna re-check your math. Wylie was brought to Denver to change to a Power/Man blocking scheam.
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MOK,
Wylie teaches multiple blocking schemes at his camp during the offseason with the ‘Mushroom Society’ – among them, ZBS
January 31st, 2012 at 10:59 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:44 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:38 am
Anyone referring to a Jamarcus Russell lead offense loses all credibility IMO.
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Look at what Mike McCoy did for Tebow.
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Yep, what McCoy did for Tebow (fairly successful innovative use to try to work around what he had) was the exact of what Knapp did with Vick (extremely unsuccessful use of what he had).
Knapp is not creative. He does not work out the best way to use his personnel. He’s conservative and fixated on what he does (which isn’t successful).
January 31st, 2012 at 10:59 am
What do you think Reggie and Dennis will do with Palmer this off season, Mystic? Just asking…
January 31st, 2012 at 10:59 am
lefty12 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
LOL,knew this would happen.Everyone having panic attacks because DA didn’t hire ‘their’ guy as OC .The same will happen when the DC is announced.Knapp wasn’t conservative last year.When he was here before and the bust was QB people used to complain that he didn’t run the ball often enough and let the bust throw too much.Knapp is a highly respected NFL coach.Let’s give him a chance now that we have NFL caliber players before throwing him under the bus.
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Exactly. I’m taking the attitude that (with a few exceptions) anyone who came and went when Al was still here gets a mulligan.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:00 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:49 am
OC is irrelevant. We’re a defensive team now. Our o-coordinator is expected to put up about 20 points a game and keep our offense on the field for at least 30 minutes. Defensive team needs an offense that’s high percentage, makes little mistakes, and gives the defense rest. Knapp is fine. Those of you wanting an offensive coordinator that will put up 35 points a game can just forget it now. Defensive minded GM, defensive minded HC, we’re not going to be a big scoring team. Just get over it.
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Sad but true.
I am a fan if High scoring and dynamic offense
I am also a fan of Stingy hard hitting take the ball away Defense
Most if all I am a fan of the Raiders. So I will hope for both.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:00 am
Our offense is now built for EXPLOSION. BIG PLAYS. Palmer (great deep ball, unnimble on his feet, moderate short ball) with our WRs Moore & Ford who are speeders with DMC who operates better with a open field (although he is also good between the tackles).
Now we try to go back to ZBS, short dump offs etc. We should keep Jason Campbell (even though a much worse QB would probably fit the prototype that Knapp wants)
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I heard someone mention this, but no answer.
When was the last time Knapp called the plays?
Some of you were jumping all over Saunders, over his play calling.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
What I hate is that Allen says he wants a dynamic high powered offense and then the next day hires Knapp. How full of hot air can you get?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
how is it that the Belicheat’s are once again in the big game?
prior to overcoming the Ravens on a dropped pass in the end zone amid the final ticks of the clock the Cheatriots had not a single victory over a team with a winning record in more than a year.
Baltimore on the other hand had to beat the Steelers twice, the Texans twice, the Bengals twice and the Whiners just to get a shot at the title.
some things just don’t pass the smell test…
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
365.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I heard someone mention this, but no answer.
When was the last time Knapp called the plays?
Some of you were jumping all over Saunders, over his play calling.
I believe in Seattle!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
So we will have a run happy happy offence dmac>foster for the run, and use dhb like a Johnson, Moore like Daniels or who ever their fast white receiver was. then have an aggresive defence like denvers. I can dig it both those bitttcvh ass teams made playoffs. I think we have the better talent know we let the coaches coach.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
Duck, there’s nothing bad about being a defensive team. I’m just in awe of how many Raider fans don’t get that now. They want an OC and an offense that’s going to score 40 points a game. That’s not going to happen now. Not with a defensive minded GM and head coach. I thought Raider fans were supposed to be the most knowledgeable fans in the game. A lot of them aren’t acting like it this morning.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I heard someone mention this, but no answer.
When was the last time Knapp called the plays?
Some of you were jumping all over Saunders, over his play calling.
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He last called plays in Seattle.
He last called plays with decent players in SF, and was a top-10 offense every year.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
lots of palmer worshipers noticeably silent this morning.
The stop gap qb is in deep trouble, his future is looking more and more finite with each passing second. We will be drafting a qb in 2013.
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Someone bring in a black QB for Mystic please. So he can chill.
Oh wait!
We still have TP.
Nevermind.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
You clowns should realize we ran a bunch of ZBS plays LAST SEASON with Wylie.
We were “multiple”, as they say.
I bet we keep that flexibility. The key is how to get Taiwegian Jones to succeed, cuz DMAC…well u know the rest.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:04 am
Thought on Knapp, maybe he picked up some of Kubiaks skills with playcalling. They had the Ravens on the ropes in the playoffs with a backup QB! Possible Saunders stays on as QB coach to add a few wrinkles in the WCO Knapp prefers? Strong running game is fundamental for controlling the game with a lead. Something we did not do well in 2011. Knapp will have more weapons that ever at his disposal!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:04 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I heard someone mention this, but no answer.
When was the last time Knapp called the plays?
Some of you were jumping all over Saunders, over his play calling.
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He last called plays in Seattle.
He last called plays with decent players in SF, and was a top-10 offense every year.
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Who was the QB?
Hasselback?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:05 am
And…I see people saying “we’re a defensive team now”…that doesn’t mean we have to scrap all successful parts of the team.
We had a good offsense. Why don’t we try to be like the Saints when they won teh superbowl? Or the packers when they won teh superbowl (last two teams to win)l???
How about a defensive AND offensive team?
Boy…do we really have to try to copy the 49ers?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:05 am
Defensive coaches always say they want a high powered offense. What are they supposed to say? “I want a boring offense that will basically score 17-20 points a game and give my defense rest”? Because that’s what every defensive coach really wants. If you have Peyton Manning on your team it’s a different story. But as it stands, we’re going to be a defensive minded team. Any Raider fan wanting an offense now that scores 40 points a game clearly doesn’t understand NFL football.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:06 am
Raider O Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 9:02 am
So offense lost us the Bills game, Lions game, Denver game, and the last game of the season against the Dischargers?!?!
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Our offense got three second half field goals against New England. Our offense got nada against KC. Our offense got nada against Miami for 50 out of 60 minutes. Our offense got no 4th quarter points against Denver and 7 points total in the second half. You want me to keep going? Our offense sucked dude.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:06 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:58 am
Might wanna re-check your math. Wylie was brought to Denver to change to a Power/Man blocking scheam.
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MOK,
Wylie teaches multiple blocking schemes at his camp during the offseason with the ‘Mushroom Society’ – among them, ZBS
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yeah and? Most all line coaches know a little ZB. If we are going to run it as a primary method, Wylie will be gone. How did you come up with he ran primary ZBS In Denver?
Hey maybe we can get the women beating Cable back too.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:07 am
Maverick, we have no successful parts of the team! Why do you think our only pro bowlers are a defensive end, a punter, a kicker, and a long snapper? We’re just about starting from scratch. We have no offense when it comes to competing in January. Didn’t you see that in the final stretch of the season? We got shut down. It’s because we’re not that good. We just had a good run mid season. We’re starting from scratch with a defensive minded GM and defensive minded HC. Gee, what do you think happens here? We build a run and shoot offense and try to score 50 a game?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:07 am
I’m one of the biggest DMAC fans, but the only way I approve a trade w/ DMAC is if we bring in….
BEAST MODE back home.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:08 am
He last called plays in Seattle.
He last called plays with decent players in SF, and was a top-10 offense every year.
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Who was the QB?
Hasselback?
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Hasselback and Seneca Wallace. And Wallace had a higher completion percentage than Hasselback.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:10 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:04 am
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:02 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:01 am
I heard someone mention this, but no answer.
When was the last time Knapp called the plays?
Some of you were jumping all over Saunders, over his play calling.
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He last called plays in Seattle.
He last called plays with decent players in SF, and was a top-10 offense every year.
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Who was the QB?
Hasselback?
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A very over-the-hill Hasselbeck, with zero decent RB’s (Julius Jones was their leading rusher).
And before anyone gets started, a slightly over-the-hill Palmer is still better than Hasselbeck at his peak, never mind the 2009 version.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:10 am
Our season is going to be determined on the defensive side of the ball.
Let’s see who Allen brings in at DC.
IMO, thats X-factor.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:11 am
BoSJack,
it seems that many fans are stuck in the either/or mentality as if professional football is played in a political arena.
either you are a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team.
either you are a ZBS team or a power blocking team.
either you are a WCO team or Air Coryell.
etc etc
truth is now all teams (except the TBones) run any and all schemes known to man mixed together on a game to game basis.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Guys, stop worrying about our OC. Start looking at the Raiders along the lines of the Bears, Tampa Bay, etc. Defensive minded GM and head coach are not going to go out and get you a high scoring offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:11 am
Honestly i am sad to see our vertical passing game go, i have always loved the air coryel style. i thought in particular the way jc /hu jack/ and saunders made it work together was fun to watch.
Im wondering how guys like moore ford, and dmac will fit into knapps offense. DHB actually runs a pretty good slant, the other two have not impressed me on this route, and it is a mainstay for the wco. i do believe that if the raiders are creative enough the can use dhb ford and moore in more of a catch and run style that can work.
I hope we see a wco more like what the pack uses, and less like the texans.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:12 am
I dont know what to think… guess i will just get high !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:12 am
I guess its kinda good we have dmac, tj, Ford, Moore, Reece, oh and cp3. When you have world class speed our skill players can make up for a down grade in offensive play calling. It’s all about what they do after the catch or the hand off, yac yafh (yards after 1st hit )what its about.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Face it, guys. Mark went out and hired defensive minded management to stick it to his mean dad. You’re going to have to adjust.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Rebuilding? Polarization is happening…. http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/nation-polarized-on-greg-knapp.html
January 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
Mark clearly hated his dad and his dad’s loyal following. That’s why he’s clearly building a defensive team. Hilarious.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
lots of palmer worshipers noticeably silent this morning.
The stop gap qb is in deep trouble, his future is looking more and more finite with each passing second. We will be drafting a qb in 2013.
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Someone bring in a black QB for Mystic please. So he can chill.
Oh wait!
We still have TP.
Nevermind.
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LOL THAT IS WEAK BRA!! LMAO!!!
because your hero is now on the bubble you resort to race baiting??!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
pathetic
January 31st, 2012 at 11:14 am
390.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:12 am
Face it, guys. Mark went out and hired defensive minded management to stick it to his mean dad. You’re going to have to adjust.
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Dont say that…. They are going to call you names. LOL….
January 31st, 2012 at 11:14 am
I doubt a regular Franchise tag would cost that much. Maybe an ERFA would, but Reggie’s not going to use that.
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Not sure what you are talking about, but the franchise tag for running backs in 2012 is $8.156 million dollars. Doesnt matter if they use the exclusive or non-exclusive version of the tag, the dollar amount is the same. $8.156 million is the definition of overpaid for Michael Bush.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:15 am
Mark loved his dad and the blind loyalty to his dad in the Raider Nation so much, he’s scrapping the vertical game and building a defensive team. Looks like daddy cussed him out in front of employees one time too many.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:16 am
You know how I know our Offensive Coordinators have sucked?
Because we think our players always sucked on offense, when it wasn’t true. I was just looking at 2001 to see how Knapp did as OC, and I looked at the top 10 passers that year…
#4 Aaron Brooks
#7 Kerry Collins
We had both of those since Gannon. But magically they suddenly suck here. These last 2 years are the first time since Gannon and Gruden.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:18 am
Knapp wasn’t conservative last year
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Lefty,
how do you know if a QB Coach is conservative or not ???
January 31st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:07 am
Maverick, we have no successful parts of the team! Why do you think our only pro bowlers are a defensive end, a punter, a kicker, and a long snapper?
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Exactly, but with a bunch of crap parts we were able to make the offensive move still. That’s what a good coordinator can do which is why I don’t like the Knapp hiring.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:19 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:13 am
DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:03 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 10:57 am
lots of palmer worshipers noticeably silent this morning.
The stop gap qb is in deep trouble, his future is looking more and more finite with each passing second. We will be drafting a qb in 2013.
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Someone bring in a black QB for Mystic please. So he can chill.
Oh wait!
We still have TP.
Nevermind.
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LOL THAT IS WEAK BRA!! LMAO!!!
because your hero is now on the bubble you resort to race baiting??!?!?
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA,
pathetic
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LMAO
Dude is not my hero.
I just want to win games.
I don’t give a fk if they’re white, black, yellow, tan, albino etc.
Just win baby!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:20 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:15 am
Mark loved his dad and the blind loyalty to his dad in the Raider Nation so much, he’s scrapping the vertical game and building a defensive team. Looks like daddy cussed him out in front of employees one time too many.
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OK, you lost me. I hope you’re just trolling now.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:23 am
I hope we see a wco more like what the pack uses, and less like the texans.
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Weeks ago when I was demanding Jackson’s head, I asked if Jackson was soooo good a HC then why didn’t he take more control of the defense? Most of you said he didn’t know anything about defense. Well, either Dennis Allen is some kind of football uber super guru who claims to know offense, defense and special teams, or most of you just don’t know what the fook you are talking about.
So once again, we may all agree that Knapp has a specialty in the WCO but that doesn’t mean that is all he knows, or that is what he is going to run here. Rex and Rob Ryan’s dad INVENTED the double Eagle 46. That doesn’t mean that is all they run. Sheeeeesh!!!
BTW, this is not directed at you mistic.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:24 am
M Lonetree Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:11 am
BoSJack,
it seems that many fans are stuck in the either/or mentality as if professional football is played in a political arena.
either you are a 4-3 team or a 3-4 team.
either you are a ZBS team or a power blocking team.
either you are a WCO team or Air Coryell.
etc etc
truth is now all teams (except the TBones) run any and all schemes known to man mixed together on a game to game basis.
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This (above) is a very important point. You are going to see variety in blocking schemes and you are going to see a lot and I mean a lot of play action except now it will be CP doing the passing not Jbustus. There will be more timing routes but you will see CP go down-field. Remember, Farve was zinging the ball down-field at times off play action in supposedly a WC base offense. One thing Knapp was/is good at is creating rushing schemes with lesser talent than we have now. Bug gains will make play action deadly for opposing defenses. Hiring Knapp is not the end of the world. Hopefully, with more authority with the coaching, we may get the stupid penalties down that kept our offense behind schedule.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:24 am
I don’t,just as you don’t know how much he was involved in the Texan’s offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:25 am
You clowns should realize we ran a bunch of ZBS plays LAST SEASON with Wylie.
We were “multiple”, as they say.
I bet we keep that flexibility.
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solid post!
BSJ ate his Wheaties this AM?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:25 am
398.RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:18 am
Knapp wasn’t conservative last year
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Lefty,
how do you know if a QB Coach is conservative or not ???
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Right!!! LMAO!!!
SOme of you guys crack me up how you have more inside information than the guys in Raiders management. It is not bad enough you say you never everything about the Raiders inside lockeroom biz now you are hanging out with Knapp in TX hearing him tell the QB fling the ball 50 yards down the field every play! We are going hard!!!! Ahhhhhhhh!!!! For the last time Knapp was not even the OC he was the QB Coach for crying out loud.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:26 am
the sound that you hear throbbing in your head is not the sound of organizations pounding on HueJack’s front door wanting to hire him.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Maybe TP can dink and dunk and run all day long in the great West Coast offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:27 am
I still want to see what TP has to offer.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:27 am
Thx RRS
January 31st, 2012 at 11:27 am
CODE CONDO SUCKAS!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:27 am
I had a “You People” moment of lucidity!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Your welcome
January 31st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Was Silver lying about Al treating Mark like crap in front of Raider employees? Al dies, Mark goes out and builds a defensive team, basically entirely changing the Raiders’ model. Did you hear Allen yesterday? “This is a changed franchise”. Wow. Profound. Mark seems to be doing everything the opposite of what his dad did. Seems to vindicate Silver’s report.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
Mark Davis is an idiot, no wonder he got dissed by AL, stupid hirings. This team will regressed 4-12 in 12
January 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:26 am
Maybe TP can dink and dunk and run all day long in the great West Coast offense.
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Pot calling kettle black.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
OK, OK.
Condo > DMAC
However,
Cole Ford also > DMAC
January 31st, 2012 at 11:31 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Was Silver lying about Al treating Mark like crap in front of Raider employees?
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He may have been. He was definitely drawing a lot of daft conclusions. I hope slandering Mark like that was worth it to Hue, seeing as how most NFL organizations are treating him like he’s radioactive now.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:32 am
Duck, what if it’s not slander? What if it’s true? The gist of the story is that Mark might have an ax to grind with his old man for embarrassing him so many times. So far, it seems Mark’s decisions have all been just about the opposite of what his dad would have done. So far, the facts weigh in the favor of Silver’s reporting.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:32 am
My opinion about multiple looks was based on what he tried to do with Kiffin and Cable. Remember we had JR and scrub QB’s and it was hard to sell the play action so they stacked the run and we still were one of the best rushing teams those years. Cable was/is an excellent OL coach but as a HC he was a mess (you don’t have HC’s that punch women and coworkers!).
Remember Knapp was trying to work with McCown, Culpepper and JR. None of these guys could realitically be a 3rd string QB on other teams at the time. CP is a legitimate above average NFL QB and our WRs are getting better and among the fastest in the NFL.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:33 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:29 am
OK, OK.
Condo > DMAC
However,
Cole Ford also > DMAC
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I have to agree on the 1st one.
Condo did have a better year than DMAC.
He went to his 2ND PRO BOWL!!!!
http://www.sbreport.net/wp-content/Lechler-Condo-at-2012-Pro-Bowl.jpg
January 31st, 2012 at 11:35 am
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:32 am
Mark’s decisions have all been just about the opposite of what his dad would have done.
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That doesn’t necessarily mean anything. Al’s record running an NFL team over the last two decades of his life produced ONE good hire (Gruden) and whole pile of terrible ones. Meanwhile, the Silver & Black was reduced to a bad punchline.
I don’t blame Mark for reacting 180 degrees away from all that.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:37 am
414.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:28 am
Was Silver lying about Al treating Mark like crap in front of Raider employees? Al dies, Mark goes out and builds a defensive team, basically entirely changing the Raiders’ model. Did you hear Allen yesterday? “This is a changed franchise”. Wow. Profound. Mark seems to be doing everything the opposite of what his dad did. Seems to vindicate Silver’s report.
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^^^^^^^^^ THIS!!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:38 am
There are actually people on this “BLOG” with some sense. Thank you Sully!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:38 am
dmcfadden20 Darren McFadden
@Huffy247 stayin busy bro. jus signed mega endorsement deal with kotex #maxipads
16 minutes ago via web
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CODE NANCY SUCKAS!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:39 am
Let Allen do the job that he was hired to do! With no Al to tell him what he can and cant do and see where he runs with this! Like Mark said in his presser introducing Reggie…Change came on October 8th!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Only the Raider fans can complain about how things are run year in & out, then complain when their being run different.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Get rid of that 8-8 mentality!
This is a new day.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:43 am
dmcfadden20 Darren McFadden
@Condo59 see you at the #Pro Bowl next year
26 minutes ago via web
January 31st, 2012 at 11:43 am
Condo sucked at making a gawd Damn tackle on kick off all the time. Dmac would lay fucccks out if he was on st. No way condo could knock ngata on his aszzz and make him wobbly. Condo is a lb with no skill except hiking a ball between his legs to the best kickers in history. Please stop bringing this guys name up so Damn much.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:45 am
Amazing how some people on this blog would apparently believe Hue Jackson (an known liar) if he told Mike Silver the moon was made of green cheese…
January 31st, 2012 at 11:46 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:41 am
Only the Raider fans can complain about how things are run year in & out, then complain when their being run different.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
BINGO!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:47 am
DEATHROW 55 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:43 am
Condo sucked at making a gawd Damn tackle on kick off all the time. Dmac would lay fucccks out if he was on st. No way condo could knock ngata on his aszzz and make him wobbly. Condo is a lb with no skill except hiking a ball between his legs to the best kickers in history. Please stop bringing this guys name up so Damn much.
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You wouldn’t understand.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:48 am
Granted the offensive talent is far more superior now then when Knapp was here the 1st time, But I still question aloud if he is truly an upgrade over Saunders.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:49 am
Hard to grade Knapp on his first go round here with Jamarcus as his QB. I’m interested in seeing what imagination he has with our speed.
As for McFadden, I hate to say it; really hate to say it actually ’cause he’s our best player when healthy, but the fact he hasn’t played a whole season screams trade him for a 2nd and 3rd or late first if we can get it…..
January 31st, 2012 at 11:49 am
DMAC will need a ticket to the probowl in 13. I predict he will not be healthy enough to travel tho…
January 31st, 2012 at 11:49 am
Our two biggest OL from last year are both free agents. I’m sure we will be back to more zone blocking. Barnes and Heyer could then both walk. Starting RT will be between Campbell, Barksdale, and the FAs. One of them will have to back up the LT spot and we could use another inside lineman. I think we have a couple guys signed already that were on the practice squad who will be in the mix for the last spot.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:50 am
55 gets it!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:50 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:49 am
DMAC will need a ticket to the probowl in 13. I predict he will not be healthy enough to travel tho…
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He’ll skip the pro bowl to play in the super bowl.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:52 am
For who?
January 31st, 2012 at 11:53 am
Come on Bo…lol
January 31st, 2012 at 11:53 am
It is funny to see all of you armchair quarterbacks type what the team should have done do to make your love of them easier to stomach.
If you want to sit around and talk about shoulda,woulda,coulda go back to 2000 and make Gannon avoid Saragusa, or how about 2001 to score after tuck rule…yada yada – Basically: STFU about the past.
Focus on the future and our strengths; stop looking in the rearview mirror. The pieces of our future are falling into place whether you like it or not. Embrace change and have some faith. After all, anything but a Superbowl win is losing in the NFL.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:53 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:52 am
For who?
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Us, I’m assuming…
January 31st, 2012 at 11:55 am
Wow, our offense is gonna suck.
We’ll have a great zone blocking scheme for Taiwan Jones and whoever undrafted FA replaces Bush.
DMC will stay healthy the whole year but only get 600 yards.
Please be multiple and not boring like I know you will be, Greg.
Our D better be dominant.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:56 am
My concern with going back towards zbs isnt the line, its McFadden. I thought Hue did a good job of gearing the offense around DMaC’s ability.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:57 am
uglyorc Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:56 am
My concern with going back towards zbs isnt the line, its McFadden. I thought Hue did a good job of gearing the offense around DMaC’s ability.
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yup
January 31st, 2012 at 11:57 am
It’s not that we don’t run zone now. Actually we use a lot more of it for Bush. We just gotta mix it up and not be boring and predictable.
But we will be.
Ball control offense without a stout D = disaster.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:58 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:52 am
For who?
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Allen’s Silver and Black Attack!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raiders will win 6-7 games max in 2012….Knapp is a pxssy zbs west coast offensive guy…how does that fit with Robert Carson Palmer?…..Dennis Allen fk you and Reggie McKenzie fk u too….u both are losers and won’t win a prize in a cracker jack box
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Any offense built around the abilities of a running back is going to fail.
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
ddsman Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:53 am
It is funny to see all of you armchair quarterbacks type what the team should have done do to make your love of them easier to stomach.
If you want to sit around and talk about shoulda,woulda,coulda go back to 2000 and make Gannon avoid Saragusa, or how about 2001 to score after tuck rule…yada yada – Basically: STFU about the past.
Focus on the future and our strengths; stop looking in the rearview mirror. The pieces of our future are falling into place whether you like it or not. Embrace change and have some faith. After all, anything but a Superbowl win is losing in the NFL.
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Agreed.
“I’ve always considered ‘Remember When’ the lowest form of conversation.” — Tony Soprano
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
If you want to sit around and talk about shoulda,woulda,coulda go back to 2000 and make Gannon avoid Saragusa, or how about 2001 to score after tuck rule…yada yada – Basically: STFU about the past.
Thank you!
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
thank God for good weed !!!!!
it makes this blog funny as sh!t
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raiders will win 6-7 games max in 2012….Knapp is a pxssy zbs west coast offensive guy…how does that fit with Robert Carson Palmer?…..Dennis Allen fk you and Reggie McKenzie fk u too….u both are losers and won’t win a prize in a cracker jack box
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Sorry you feel that way. Goodbye.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
McFadden, Bush, and Jones will all be here next year. This is going to be a run heavy offense that controls the ball and uses up the clock. With a defensive minded coaching philosophy they will try to hold our opponents to few points like Denver did when allowing Tebow to win games by scoiring 17 – 21 points and relying on the run with an occasional shot downfield. It will basically be the same philosophy except Carson wont be running the option and can actually throw the ball. I predict some serious growing pains for this defense next season, but the offense is gonna be solid.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Any offense built around the abilities of a running back is going to fail.
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A healthy Texans team would like to disagree with you.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Welcome back B!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I guess this means, West Coast Offense?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
Raiders will win 6-7 games max in 2012….Knapp is a pxssy zbs west coast offensive guy…how does that fit with Robert Carson Palmer?…..Dennis Allen fk you and Reggie McKenzie fk u too….u both are losers and won’t win a prize in a cracker jack box
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Yeah, not impressed so far myself, B.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
thank God for good weed !!!!!
it makes this blog funny as sh!t
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Never really tried it, since I’m always at work blogging.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
460.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
thank God for good weed !!!!!
it makes this blog funny as sh!t
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Never really tried it, since I’m always at work blogging.
LOL, anything is funnier with weed…Hell, The Gods Must Be Crazy is a lot funnier with it too!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
431.RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:45 am
Amazing how some people on this blog would apparently believe Hue Jackson (an known liar) if he told Mike Silver the moon was made of green cheese…
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I believe the Silver story people are talking about isn’t the interview he had with Hue.
Silver’s article on Mark and how he hired Reggie, didn’t come from Hue. Silver is a Raider hating Fk but he wasn’t qouting Hue in that article, he said he got that info on Mark and Mr. Davis from sources in 07-08 are somewheres. it was before Hues time here.
Anyway Im not trying to stick up for Hue, Im just stating facts, I don’t like Silver at all, he saw a chance to hate on the Raiders and make there new owner look bad, I don’t believe Hue had anything to do with it. Silver is just a fking btch.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
A healthy Texans team would like to disagree with you.
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A healthy Texans team has Schaub and Andre Johnson. Their offensive line is the best pass-protecting line in football.
When Foster went down, Ben Tate stepped up.
The Texans offense is not built around Foster. When they had to rely on Foster v.s. the Ravens defense, they fell short.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Raider Nation is Polarized. It is obvious from just reading some of your responses…. http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/01/nation-polarized-on-greg-knapp.html
January 31st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
A healthy Texans team would like to disagree with you.
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A healthy Texans team has Schaub and Andre Johnson. Their offensive line is the best pass-protecting line in football.
When Foster went down, Ben Tate stepped up.
The Texans offense is not built around Foster. When they had to rely on Foster v.s. the Ravens defense, they fell short.
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Meant that in a sense of their offense is built around running the ball and play action shots.
Not in particular to Foster.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
It’s not that it can’t work, but if we’re a ball control team….. which is what Knapp coming here probably means… we need to be really good on D.
Thought Allen said aggressive, attacking, etc., etc.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Meth – I think you’re buggin’ out bruh on the predictions for the new regime! Don’t put too much stock into Knapp’s first go round here; plus Allen is gonna tell him what he wants and let Knapp go to work off of his ideas first and foremost. Lets give it a season first b4 we mash on dude.
But on the college bball tip, I saw your peeps put in work last night. Dude is as cool as they come under pressure ain’t he? Thought the foul was gonna scar ‘em, but he came right back to win it for ‘em.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Frankly, this is all a crap shoot – nothing to do but wait and see,…..
January 31st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
You people in here lauding this pathetic hire are blind followers. Knapp you have to be kidding me!! They should bring back bed and breakfast and keep Chuck B., that will make this coaching staff complete.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Well, Matt Schaub did have a 96.8 passer rating last year. He must have been doing something right.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
HOT!~ 01-31-12: CAUGHT KNAPPING
Some Bay Area writers can’t understand fans frustration with the report of OC Greg Knapp returning to the Raiders. We’ll help them out…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/ones_to_watch
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Bay area writers can’t figure out why rebuilding AGAIN after 8 yrs of misery and with a mid level wash out at OC and 2 rookies at GM and HC would make fans ansy.
We were one game and a fistful of injuries away from a Division title.
This move doesn’t like a step forward. It seems backward.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
hwnrdr Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
460.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:00 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 11:59 am
thank God for good weed !!!!!
it makes this blog funny as sh!t
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Never really tried it, since I’m always at work blogging.
LOL, anything is funnier with weed…Hell, The Gods Must Be Crazy is a lot funnier with it too!
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You gotta watch the new smurfs movie high.
Its the schit!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Make no mistake, that Texans offense is set up to pass the ball. Their running game is the icing on the cake. But, like any team’s running game, it will not work against elite defenses. The only thing that will get a team to a championship is a big-time performance by their signal caller.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
hey i am at work and bloging too !!! lol lol
and yes weed even makes work better !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:11 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Make no mistake, that Texans offense is set up to pass the ball. Their running game is the icing on the cake. But, like any team’s running game, it will not work against elite defenses. The only thing that will get a team to a championship is a big-time performance by their signal caller.
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Gotta disagree…they ran the ball on whoever they wanted to this year for real; including the Ravens in the playoffs and should’ve won that game. Their QB position was simply faulty. Schaub doesn’t have “it”. He’s up there with the best of ‘em in numbers but he lacks that “it” factor to lead the team and it’s been proven, and Yates was, well, just Yates; a rookie who overachieved but was still only running a simple dumbdowned version of their offense. IF we keep DMC and Bush, you might see good things out of our O. We have weapons on the outside. My biggest worry is Carson at the helm. But this will be his judgment year too, so it’ll all play out in front of our eyes this season if this will all work out.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:12 pm
462. Silver told the truth because the sue happy Davis family never said chit.
It was just unseemly and in very poor taste to air it like that. Most people are probably aware of thing happening in Raider land like that but have the decency not to air it in such and ugly manner or if at all.
Mike Silver and whack
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC and hwnrdr .. you guys still planing to come to the Ravens game this year ??
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
A good OC, heck, a good coach, period, has schemes that are tailored to the players.
If Allen feels he can win with the long ball, we have to believe the OC will implement that. If it’s the WCO, then, that. I get the feeling that Allen is a coach that looks at the talent and decides what they can and cannot do well, and if Knapp is his guy, then I have to conclude he has hired people with a similar way of operating. I also think Allen is a guy who feels the more diverse a team can be, the better. Perhaps both he and Knapp see talent on the offensive side of the Raiders that can operate more than one way.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
We’ll have to see but the Knapp hire not electrifying the Nation.
Hes an also ran and an indicator of Reggie still building Packers West. Its like they;ve written off the first 2 seasons already.
Hate it.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
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So why even bother w/ this site?
Kick rocks!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC and hwnrdr .. you guys still planing to come to the Ravens game this year ??
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Gotta check the dates
January 31st, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Bo,
LMAO @ 436.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:17 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Make no mistake, that Texans offense is set up to pass the ball. Their running game is the icing on the cake. But, like any team’s running game, it will not work against elite defenses. The only thing that will get a team to a championship is a big-time performance by their signal caller.
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I think the Texans strength was there Top ranked Defense, when there Qbs went down the Defense helped them out alot, sure Yates did alright and Knapp should get some credit for that, but they couldn’t of done wht they did without that great defense.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Not a big fan of Gwen Knapp and conservative play calling. I think the offense just took a step back. As a Raider fan though I will roll with whatever the new coach thinks is best. Keeping Bush just became more important, we will be a top three team in rushing attempts.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
482.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
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So why even bother w/ this site?
Kick rocks!
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Because I can… Been here longer then most of you schills anyhow.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
478.RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
_________________________________________________
You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
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The world?
Delusions of granduer BUT I salute you for repping the Rauiders. Just not very well…
Have fun with it and enjoy cuz we’re all on the same team Chaos.
Can;t believe you;d try to get people to click your link at the same time your bashing them though! lol!
same 50 people you’;d like to visit your site.
Go Raiders and have a good day mang
January 31st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Gotta disagree…they ran the ball on whoever they wanted to this year for real; including the Ravens in the playoffs and should’ve won that game. Their QB position was simply faulty. Schaub doesn’t have “it”. He’s up there with the best of ‘em in numbers but he lacks that “it” factor to lead the team and it’s been proven, and Yates was, well, just Yates; a rookie who overachieved but was still only running a simple dumbdowned version of their offense. IF we keep DMC and Bush, you might see good things out of our O. We have weapons on the outside. My biggest worry is Carson at the helm. But this will be his judgment year too, so it’ll all play out in front of our eyes this season if this will all work out.
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Nope. Running game got shut down in Miami, Baltimore, and twice in Jacksonville.
They also lost their last three contests in spite of running the ball well.
An “elite” running game will not get you a championship.
Big-time performances by a QB, along with a running game that merely needs to keep the offense on schedule? Well, look at the Superbowl winners over the last ten years. That’s what each of them had. No Adrian Peterson. No Ladanian Tomlinson. No Maurice Jones-Drew. No Chris Johnson. No Jamaal Charles.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
482.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
==========
So why even bother w/ this site?
Kick rocks!
________________________________________________
Because I can… Been here longer then most of you schills anyhow.
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Where do I send you your autographed Blackstock photo?
Funny how you call us basement dwellers, but you want us to check out your weak ass website.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I dont understand all the hate on Greg Knapp, who else would we have hired that was as experienced and understood the game???
whether people like to admit it or not, Hue Jackson brought creativity to the raiders offense last 2 years and with him gone, its gonna be a downgrade, with who ever we hire this late in the game.
And you cant judge Knapp on the Jamarcus days, as well as the Al Davis days. Raiders advantage is built on running the ball and outside speed. For knapp to succeed he needs to lean on both of those
January 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I think Allen doesn’t realize that we have a bombs away QB. He must be Tebow shocked. A WCO is something designed for a no talent QB like Tebow.
Say what you will, I don’t like the Knapp pick and think Allen made a major error by not picking Saunders.
Unfortunately, I’ve already prepaid for my season tickets. Had I not done that, I would seriously reconsider getting season tickets given what I expect to see from Knapp. I think we are in for some real disappointments. Dink & dunk, whoopie – NOT!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
479.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:14 pm
DMAC and hwnrdr .. you guys still planing to come to the Ravens game this year ??
Still planning but a lot has to do of the date!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Nope. Running game got shut down in Miami, Baltimore, and twice in Jacksonville.
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How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
DaTruth91 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:24 pm
I dont understand all the hate on Greg Knapp, who else would we have hired that was as experienced and understood the game???
whether people like to admit it or not, Hue Jackson brought creativity to the raiders offense last 2 years and with him gone, its gonna be a downgrade, with who ever we hire this late in the game.
And you cant judge Knapp on the Jamarcus days, as well as the Al Davis days. Raiders advantage is built on running the ball and outside speed. For knapp to succeed he needs to lean on both of those
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The truth is the offense you seemed to have enjoyed was not Hue’s, it was Saunders playbook. Hue just called the play numbers. Saunders should have been the pick – PERIOD!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
488.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
478.RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
_________________________________________________
You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
===============
The world?
Delusions of granduer BUT I salute you for repping the Rauiders. Just not very well…
Have fun with it and enjoy cuz we’re all on the same team Chaos.
Can;t believe you;d try to get people to click your link at the same time your bashing them though! lol!
same 50 people you’;d like to visit your site.
Go Raiders and have a good day mang
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Like I said, I have an opinion and the last post on my blog shows that everyone else does too. Sure, my posts are not always popular amongst the “masses”, but I guarantee that I am no less a Raider Fan then everyone on here. Whether you like what is happening or not.
And you are right, we are on the same ship. We are treading in dead water right now, but the ship we are on is Silver and Black. Call it bashing or call it speaking my mind on what I see, it is what it i and Im gonna keep doing it.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
hope you can make it.. would like to show you west coast guys how the east coast parties !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Explosive offense & Greg Knapp is the most contradicting message ever given by a Raider coach
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
494.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:25 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Nope. Running game got shut down in Miami, Baltimore, and twice in Jacksonville.
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How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
I think he was referring to the one in the season when Foster just came back from injury…TJ Yates did look very inexperienced out there a couple weeks ago!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:28 pm
497.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
hope you can make it.. would like to show you west coast guys how the east coast parties !!!
That would be good!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
490.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
482.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
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You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
==========
So why even bother w/ this site?
Kick rocks!
________________________________________________
Because I can… Been here longer then most of you schills anyhow.
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Where do I send you your autographed Blackstock photo?
Funny how you call us basement dwellers, but you want us to check out your weak ass website.
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Only a few trolls homie. Only a few. The rest I dont mind what so ever.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:02 pm
A healthy Texans team would like to disagree with you.
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A healthy Texans team has Schaub and Andre Johnson. Their offensive line is the best pass-protecting line in football.
When Foster went down, Ben Tate stepped up.
The Texans offense is not built around Foster. When they had to rely on Foster v.s. the Ravens defense, they fell short.
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Meant that in a sense of their offense is built around running the ball and play action shots.
Not in particular to Foster.
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What? Didn’t Foster have 130 yards rushing and a TD? Didn’t Yates the rookie QB have 3 Ints? So the running game fell short?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
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Regular season. 15 attempts for 49 yards.
Then in the playoffs, without Schaub? The Ravens dared TJ Yates to beat them, and he couldn’t.
Like I said. The running game will keep your offense on schedule. But the QB wins games for you. Without a QB capable of putting the team on his shoulders, the Texans did not win.
It’s why DMac, Peterson, Jones-Drew, Foster, Charles, Johnson, etc. are great for fantasy football. But when it comes to real teams winning real games? None of these guys are capable of carrying their team to the big dance.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:29 pm
490.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:19 pm
482.DMAC Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:13 pm
474.RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:09 pm
464. Can’t blame him for trying but this blog spot smokes that blog spot.
_________________________________________________
You have your opinion. I have mine. Sorry that I dont have an open forum for a bunch of basement dwellers to comment all day back and forth on the same thing, fighting like a bunch of little girls.
I choose to voice my opinion to the world, not 50 of the same guys everyday.
==========
So why even bother w/ this site?
Kick rocks!
________________________________________________
Because I can… Been here longer then most of you schills anyhow.
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Where do I send you your autographed Blackstock photo?
Funny how you call us basement dwellers, but you want us to check out your weak ass website.
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Only a few trolls homie. Only a few. The rest I dont mind what so ever.
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You had your opinion on us bloggers. And had had my opinion on what you said.
Lets just leave at that.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Duck, your views of Silver and Jackson aside, everything that’s happening right now backs up what Silver said. Mark is clearly hellbent on dismantling dad’s entire business model.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
F this in the A….
January 31st, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Gotta run!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Yeah, Chaos, anyone here who speaks their mind and doesn’t go along with what everyone else is saying is a “troll”. Get used to that.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:33 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:15 pm
We’ll have to see but the Knapp hire not electrifying the Nation.
Hes an also ran and an indicator of Reggie still building Packers West. Its like they;ve written off the first 2 seasons already.
Hate it.
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I don’t know about Packers West, more like Knapp will try and change this offense into Houstons offense.
The other key on whether or not this offense will regress or not, will depend on who winds up being the OLine coache(s) and QB coach and RB coach.
My problem with this, is the whole offense did NOT need to be overhauled.
It’s just one of things, where it’s just change for change sake and if it wasn’t broke, then it didn’t need to fixed.
The defense and lack of team discipline is what needed to be fixed. The offense did NOT need a complete overhaul.
Knapp has a lot to prove to fans of Raider Nation who know his history.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:34 pm
How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
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Baltimore held Foster to 49 yards (3.3 ypc) in the regular season meeting. I think that is what he referred to.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:35 pm
We are gonna Suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuckkkk next year. Hope Allen and McRedAfro like the tune of 5-11..
Hate Hate Hate what is going on in Oaktown right now.
Saunders was a better O.C in the 5th grade than Knapp has been in his whole useless existence…
Lamesville…Im already sick of the 2012 season.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:36 pm
GM hires his head coach. HC hires his own staff. If Saunders isn’t Allen’s guy, he’s out. That’s what happens when you hire a GM, and run a modern day business with a flow chart. What did you guys think? McKenzie was going to just draft a few players while running the rest of the organization the way Al did? Come on.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
HairyBush Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Explosive offense & Greg Knapp is the most contradicting message ever given by a Raider coach
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Agreed!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
GM hires his head coach. HC hires his own staff. If Saunders isn’t Allen’s guy, he’s out. That’s what happens when you hire a GM, and run a modern day business with a flow chart. What did you guys think? McKenzie was going to just draft a few players while running the rest of the organization the way Al did? Come on.
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January 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Ja dumbarse was knapps downfall here. I’d have to say
the last I seen some good was with the falcons an niners.
Shuab was good bfore him an will be after.
But nation I’m raider to the end so I’m rolling with the punches an gonna back coach allend decision. Just like the players will.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
I hope Tafur, Tittle, Gutierrez, Cork and Mac and other Raider beat guys ask Knapp why his offense will be different this time around, compared to when he was here before.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Maybe the real question is which Texans QB or other players are going to follow knapp to the Raiders?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
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Baltimore held Foster to 49 yards (3.3 ypc) in the regular season meeting. I think that is what he referred to.
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No Andre Johnson in that game….but Johnson is overated, not like they Ravens put 8 in the box against a gimpy foster.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Who would have ever thought a journeyman coach like Knapp would be back coaching with the Raiders ahead of Jon Gruden??
Unreal….hahaha…oh boy…the weird Raider world we live in….
January 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:30 pm
How did the running game get shut down in Baltimore? Foster ran for 132 and damn near had a bill at halftime. Houston’s offense was actually pretty decent considering they had no real WR threat all year with Andre out and Schaub got hurt as well forcing them to throw in the rookie.
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Regular season. 15 attempts for 49 yards.
Then in the playoffs, without Schaub? The Ravens dared TJ Yates to beat them, and he couldn’t.
Like I said. The running game will keep your offense on schedule. But the QB wins games for you. Without a QB capable of putting the team on his shoulders, the Texans did not win.
It’s why DMac, Peterson, Jones-Drew, Foster, Charles, Johnson, etc. are great for fantasy football. But when it comes to real teams winning real games? None of these guys are capable of carrying their team to the big dance.
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Well thats a given. No one running back is capable of carrying a team. Barry Sanders is one of the best to ever do it and the Lions sucked. I thought you were saying the Texan’s run game was wack, and I’m simply saying don’t attribute Houton’s failings at QB with Yates and Schaub to Knapp more so than the individuals themselves. Hell, Yates hardly threw the ball at North Carolina with Captain Conservative Butch Davis so it’s a wonder he even made the league, and Schaub always had the numbers, but just lacked the “it” factor star QBs need (hell, the pick he threw to Huff to give us that game was all you need to see to prove that).
January 31st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
517.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Maybe the real question is which Texans QB or other players are going to follow knapp to the Raiders?
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None, they are all under contract.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Of course we’re going to suck. We’re starting from scratch. Mark decided to hire a GM. A GM does not come into a team that hasn’t had a winning season in a decade and build on whatever it is they’re doing. He takes a match to the place and starts over. Get used to it. We’re going to be good in a few years. What will be different right off the bat? We won’t be losing games due to our secondary being confused and out of position, that’s for sure. But granted, we’ll be a work in progress everywhere else. If Mark gives McKenzie 3 years, we could be pretty good by year 3.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:40 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:37 pm
GM hires his head coach. HC hires his own staff. If Saunders isn’t Allen’s guy, he’s out. That’s what happens when you hire a GM, and run a modern day business with a flow chart. What did you guys think? McKenzie was going to just draft a few players while running the rest of the organization the way Al did? Come on.
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gotta agree here
January 31st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Mike Silver was right about Tommy Boy.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:41 pm
All the Texans players are under contract? I don’t think so.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ok let me get this right…. bloggers are people who write blogs or those who comment on them? Lol. I’m lost.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I think what we’re going to see is a lot of low scoring games where we’ll probably fall on the short end of the stick 3 out of 5 times. This year. Next year, same low scoring games, we could win 9 or 10. Year after that we’ll be a 12 win team. We’re going to be mediocre in 2012 because we’ll be a work in progress. But those who’ve grown tired of watching our defense blow game after game by themselves alone will be pleased to see a more disciplined defense and more modern schemes.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:43 pm
517.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Maybe the real question is which Texans QB or other players are going to follow knapp to the Raiders?
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Joel Dreesen and Mario Williams would be nice addtions.
Anything short of that will not offset his lack of “explosiveness” as a cordinator.They are both FA’s.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:44 pm
All this doom and gloom will be replaced with an unwavering sense of impending success somewhere around training camp, then when we lose a preseason game Allen McK and Knapp should ALL be fired cuz they are complete idiots… then somewhere around mid-season we will have proven to be a truly mediocre team overachieving at 6-2 or 5-3 and then even the most hateful of Allen and Knapp haters will be sipping the Kool aid out of the Super Bowl cup, only to again want them all fired after a mediocre team finishes with a mediocre record….
January 31st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I remember Art Shell also brought in his GUY, Tom Walsh that worked out great.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
(hell, the pick he threw to Huff to give us that game was all you need to see to prove that).
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It is better than that!
When the QB steps up to the line, shouldn’t he find a mismatch when you only have 10 players on the field?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Bloggers are people who comment on the writers topic for the article. An voice there opinion of the blogs title. Which means all comments(blogs) should surround the raiders
January 31st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
A Look At 2012 Free Agents For The Houston Texans
by TexansDC on Jan 31, 2012 7:53 AM CST in Nerd Alert!
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Kubiak has his eyes on 2012.
Normally, at this time of year, I would be focused on the NFL Draft on a nearly exclusive level. Actually, I would have been thinking about the draft around November and really begun focusing on absorbing information like a sponge. When you have a good team, the draft takes a backseat until February, and when your team is young, then it can even wait until after the exclusive negotiating period between players and teams.
Your Houston Texans will be entering their first off-season as a good, contending team. With a lot of quality and youth on the roster, the more pressing need is to retain their own free agents, and maybe add one or two other veterans to the roster.
Let’s take a look, below the jump, to see whose contracts are up in Houston and what the team will likely do with each of them.
OLB Mario Williams
He’s the biggest unrestricted free agent and only defensive starter on the list. Williams is not easily replaceable in the least, so expect the Texans to make the effort to re-sign him. The ideal situation would be a contract in the Terrell Suggs and DeMarcus Ware endbacker neighborhood.
C Chris Myers
Another big talent for the Texans who they will make an effort to re-sign. Ideally, his contract won’t be too much more than what it was before, with just a jump in guaranteed dollars.
SS Dominique Barber
The coaches seem to like him. The former Golden Gopher should be back at a low price to continue to provide safety depth unless Shiloh Keo has progressed that much in practice.
G Kasey Studdard
Like Barber, Studdard’s a staff favorite and should be retained as cheap depth.
QB Jake Delhomme and QB Jeff Garcia
Both of the quarterbacks were only in Houston due to injuries. Their contracts should come off and stay off the books.
WR Bryant Johnson
Another body brought onto the team by injury. I don’t expect him back when you can find a younger player with more potential who’s willing to play on special teams for far cheaper than the veteran minimum.
P Matt Turk
Brett Hartmann should return to full health, so there’s no need for the elder statesman. To his credit, Turk did perform decently in his return to Houston – especially in the Wild Card game against Cincinnati.
RB Derrick Ward
Like Johnson, he’s buried on the depth chart and long in the tooth. Unlike Johnson, Ward has some value since he has actually been productive in Houston. Still, you can find a cheaper, fresher body for special teams in the draft process.
CB Jason Allen
Allen won’t play for peanuts and has to be tired of splitting time. I expect him to go elsewhere and compete for a starting gig. Still, it will be interesting to see if Houston re-signs him or some other veteran to push Kareem Jackson.
TE Joel Dreessen
Often underrated, Dreessen has been a nice cog in the Texans’ machine for a few years. If he were younger, I could see another team attempt to pry him away, but he’s not and teams will likely draft younger, athletic tight ends. I expect the soon-to-be 29 year old to stay in Houston.
G Mike Brisiel
A key cog in the line and a good guard to boot, the feisty veteran should get attention. However, Brisiel’s been plagued with injuries. Hopefully, that’ll keep interest and cost low, but it wouldn’t be the end of the world if Brisiel ended up elsewhere.
K Neil Rackers
It has been nice to have a reliable kicker in Houston, and Rackers has taken well to the Texans. They should maintain their relationship moving forward.
DE Tim Bulman
He’s a solid defensive line talent that should be re-signed on the cheap.
LB Tim Dobbins
A depth player who played well on special teams and even made a big defensive stop against Baltimore. With Darryl Sharpton returning, there’s not a pressing need for Dobbins to return. He could possibly re-sign on the cheap, but perhaps the team will invest a draft pick on a younger, cheaper ILB.
RB Arian Foster (RFA)
Either Arian’s signing a big tender, a new contract, or a team will have to part with quality draft picks to get him. In all cases, the Texans get something positive in return. I imagine they’ll look to craft a new deal with Foster. If the Texans are lucky, it’ll be in the same mold as Jamaal Charles’ deal.
S Quintin Demps (RFA)
It’s possible Demps could be brought back, but it’s not a necessity due to Danieal Manning, Troy Nolan, Glover Quin, Shiloh Keo, and, presumably, Dominique Barber on the roster.
DS Jon Weeks (ERFA)
So long as he’s tendered, Weeks will be back due to his exclusive rights free agency.
For those squeamish about the cap, not only are all these numbers off the books, but you haven’t even factored in any players who could be cut or restructured (Matt Leinart, Jacoby Jones, Kevin Walter, or DeMeco Ryans, to name a few). Heck, Matt Schaub and Antonio Smith could also sign long-term deals to spread their cap hits out, as their contracts are nearing expiration. There are plenty of solutions around for Rick Smith to take advantage of, so don’t get squeamish yet – trust in the plan.
More immediately, Houston will be afforded a rare luxury to draft best available talent as long as the Texans take care of their own. The immediate holes to fill would be fewer and further between. Who knew this ‘being good and on the verge of something special’ thing actually had some real off-season benefits?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:46 pm
2012 in a nutshell.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
The Raiders haven’t had a winning season since 2002. Count ‘em. That’s a decade ago. A decade! If anyone expects McKenzie to come in here and build on some perceived area of success, they have to be nuts. No winning season in 10 years, with only your kickers, long snapper, and a DE in the pro bowl? Nope. Sorry. Any incoming GM worth a damn is hitting the refresh button on this thing.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Allen is a liar. He has already lied to every one of us. Allen said he wanted an offense the was Explosive, Agressive, Fast… Then he hired Greg Knapp.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Can you imagine a well run west coast hybrid offense with Kevin Boss and Marcel Reece properly utilized? These guys were wasted talent on the fling the rock offense we had last year. Maybe this hire IS geared toward the talent the Raiders already have.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Greg Knapp is a straight up NERD
I was at an exclusive VIP Raider party when he was on staff and saw him try to light a Capri backward
Then he cruised out to the balcony and attempted to make out with a fern.
WIGGITY WIGGITY WACK, YO
Speaking of my awesome recording career, I’ve been getting high all day with my production team The Certified Platinum Posse and dropping fly lyrics
Working out the kinks in this new jam about how huge my johnson is. Will hit you dorks back after I crap out my lunch from Chili’s.
AWESOME BLOSSOM NOT IN THE HOUSE, T MINUS 30 SEC
January 31st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Greg Knapp with strong armed qbs is a joke…fk this move….Robert Carson Palmer doesn’t fit with this scheme…..6-7 wins…I’ll just go to games to get drunk and score some new twerk…..prolly just hang out at the Irish Pub bar or go to westside clubhouse
January 31st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Who would have ever thought a journeyman coach like Knapp would be back coaching with the Raiders ahead of Jon Gruden??
Unreal….hahaha…oh boy…the weird Raider world we live in….
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Gruden’s no longer a coach. He’s a broadcaster.
He wasn’t coming back for ANY price. Get over it.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Haven’t been to the Irish Pub in awhile…may join you there!
January 31st, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Mum….and Reggie lied too….guess Oakland is a good place for liars
January 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Isn’t the Green Bay way the Ron Wolf way?
“Wolf signed the most sought after free-agent available, Reggie White, bringing in a team leader and defensive superstar.”
Mario Williams?
January 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Who would have ever thought a journeyman coach like Knapp would be back coaching with the Raiders ahead of Jon Gruden??
Unreal….hahaha…oh boy…the weird Raider world we live in….
And all of you praying we get Mario Williams, just stop now.
The Raiders will not be signing ANY high priced free agents, so get that out of your heads.
I hope Palmer calls plenty of audibles at the LOS next year and gets out of whatever plays Knapp calls. Palmer will knows how to audible and sees mismatches. That maybe our saving grace when it comes to Knapp and his weird conservative play calling.
January 31st, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Every defensive coach says he wants an explosive offense. What are they supposed to say, that they just want an offense that will be free of mistakes and keep their defense off the field? Because that’s all they really want.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Free Darren McFadden!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Mario williams come to Oakland? Hahahahahahahaha…put the juice down now
January 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
So many were all so co-dependent on Al Davis philosophies that they became normal to them. Now they fear change and cling to what they know. The days of fielding track stars who cant catch but can drop the ball behind anyone’s CB are over. I’m all for some ball control offense for a while for a change. Until this defense gets fixed we are going to need it. If we could have sustained a few more drives late in the season, we would have been in the playoffs but instead we let the defense lose it for us. This is a good hire.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I actually like what the Raiders are doing. This system is similar to what the better teams in the league use. I’ll be looking at some of the ticket packages this year. I’m ready to call off my decade long boycott. It’s time. Mark is doing away with every facet of his dad’s philosophy that kept this team from having a winning season in the past decade. I’m ready to support it.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:53 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Who would have ever thought a journeyman coach like Knapp would be back coaching with the Raiders ahead of Jon Gruden??
Unreal….hahaha…oh boy…the weird Raider world we live in….
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Gruden’s no longer a coach. He’s a broadcaster.
He wasn’t coming back for ANY price. Get over it.
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Oh I’m over it, it’s just ironic how Knapp is back but a REAL coach like Gruden is never coming back??
The weird Raider world we live in! LOL
January 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The Raiders will not be signing ANY high priced free agents, so get that out of your heads.
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And you know this…how???
January 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I hope everyone enjoys their spring and summer….this fall will be ugly in Oakland
January 31st, 2012 at 1:03 pm
It’s going to be neat seeing our defense come through week after week, even when it counts. No more choking on 3rd down, no more choking in 2 min. situations. No more secondary bumping into each other like keystone cops. We’re not going to be a playoff team right off the bat but I think our defense is going to show signs of improvement immediately, just from smarter play and smarter schemes.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
I was at an exclusive VIP Raider party when he was on staff and saw him try to light a Capri backward
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LMFAO!!!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:04 pm
MR that’s a damn lie….the better teams aren’t using Knapp’s style of offense….all u ever do is lie
January 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
MR is here 24/7 and claims he has a team boycott?
As if.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:01 pm
I actually like what the Raiders are doing. This system is similar to what the better teams in the league use. I’ll be looking at some of the ticket packages this year. I’m ready to call off my decade long boycott. It’s time. Mark is doing away with every facet of his dad’s philosophy that kept this team from having a winning season in the past decade. I’m ready to support it.
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It’s all wait and see with me. From the get go I wanted to see who Allen brings on as coordinators and assistants, since these will be critical hires for Allen.
This first coaching hire with Knapp as the OC is a negative for me.
Lets see who the rest of the coaches are who Allen hires.
Most of us knew Chuck B was a terrible hire last year by old man Al. Now most Raider fans do not like this hire with Knapp either. I hope Knapp proves most of us wrong. HOPE is a key.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I hope everyone enjoys their spring and summer….this fall will be ugly in Oakland
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It should be a darn sight better than last year. Finally, a real NFL defense in Oakland.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Brien I’m not even talking about knapp. I’m talking about Davis/MKcenzie/Allen. We’re using a modern day flow chart. We’re a defensive minded team now so offensive playcalling is not pivotal. It’s important but not pivotal. Knapp is irrelevant. I think he’s good enough to accomplish what we need out of him. Keep the ball for 30 min., no turnovers, and 20 points a game. Defense will take it from there.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Yes MR…please show your face at the coliseum this year…it will be a pleasure beating you senseless
January 31st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
In 10 games, Matt Schaub was 7-3 with a 96.8 passer rating.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
To all the haters:
If Ron Wolf and John Madden led Mark Davis to bring in Reggie McKenzie, that (in my book) is a big enough endorsement for Raider fans to let the process take its course. We may not win the West this year, but you never know. Reggie and Dennis certainly have their work cut out for them, but I believe this is the first step toward the future. We all wondered what life would be like without Al – now, we’ll find out.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I don’t see the defense getting better right away. Too many bad players and bad habits to purge. Maybe around mid season they start to turn the corner. Denver’s Defense sucked for the first six games last year too. If they would have played for Orton the way they played for Tebow, Timmy boy would still be on the bench where he belongs.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The Raiders will not be signing ANY high priced free agents, so get that out of your heads.
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And you know this…how???
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No money buddy and look at the Raiders cap situation. Unless something drastically changes with their cap situation, don’t expect big time high priced free agents coming here.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
MR…knapp the playcaller is irrelevant? Hahahahahaha
January 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
In 10 games, Matt Schaub was 7-3 with a 96.8 passer rating.
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whats your point?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:09 pm
We’ll have to wait and see but hope everyone has a good afternoon. Off to tend some actual business!
Peace out, go Raiders!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Kell…..qb matt schaub isn’t robert carson palmer is he?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The Knapp hiring is a huge downer. I was getting pretty excited about coach Allen and the new regime, but this decision is like a kick in the gut. Knapp was just awful here, and I don’t see anything on his resume since then that inspires any confidence that he is suddenly a good coordinator. Our only hope is that they keep Saunders around for when Knapp falls on his face like last time.
Fukin bummer.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Bo, do the Raiders make money from hits at this website, owned by a private company separate of them? I don’t think they do. Meanwhile, I haven’t bought a ticket to a game in over a decade. And I’m pretty sure the Raiders do make money off ticket sales. So, my boycott was significant. If it weren’t, why do the Raiders advertise game tickets TO ME, via several venues?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Last thing, Allen mentioned a return to Raiders past. I think he should’ve returned farther than 2007…
January 31st, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Meth – last we rapped, Louisville was sliding and Mizzu was climbing….Mizzu is still looking good and the Ville is finally getting their swag back with Siva finally getting healthy and B-Han beasting it up in the paint. Should be a fun March come tourney time
January 31st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Brien,
Knapp is irrelevant in that he’s good enough to call plays in this system. He’s not a concern, is what I meant. We’ll need 30 min. a game out of him, 20 points, and as little turnovers as possible. He’s capable of that. We’re a defensive team. We don’t need an OC that’s known for lighting up the scoreboard. And having one would only hurt morale. They’ll just clash with Allen. Remember Buddy and Gilbride? Yeah, that. We’re not going to have that here. And that’s why the Oilers never could win it all, despite being talented.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:08 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:02 pm
DKnight007 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:57 pm
The Raiders will not be signing ANY high priced free agents, so get that out of your heads.
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And you know this…how???
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No money buddy and look at the Raiders cap situation. Unless something drastically changes with their cap situation, don’t expect big time high priced free agents coming here.
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Cap space is a non-story. Remember last year, when we were untold $$$ over the cap? We re-signed everyone we wanted. We’ll restructure a deal or three, and have the money to sign whoever we want, same as every year.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Last thing, Allen mentioned a return to Raiders past. I think he should’ve returned farther than 2007
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lol
January 31st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
A qb coach and a OC is quite different Kell! The responsibilities for those jobs quite different!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Yes MR…please show your face at the coliseum this year…it will be a pleasure beating you senseless
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This stuff has no place on this blog, either. C’mon Nation.
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
January 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Brien, I’ll be at the coliseum and you won’t do anything.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
What receivers were on the roster last time Knapp was in Oakland with Jamarcus Russell as the QB and Al Davis in his ear telling him to heave the rock deep every other play? Who was on the OL? I remember those offenses being pretty void of talent and experience. No wondeer it didn’t work out well.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Knapp has a year to prove himself – and he has a veteran QB to work with. We’ll see — I don’t think this is as bad as all the whiners are moaning about.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Sorry MR, but we can call ourselves a defensive team all we want, but the fact of the matter is that 90% of the bums on defense who stunk it up last year will still be here due to cap issues and no draft picks, so the likelihood of us actually being good enough on defense that we can allow our offense to turn to schyt and still win games is pretty slim.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Maybe CP and DMC are not in the plans for the future. Might consider that.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
We need a conservative, high percentage offense to compliment our defensively driven team. Knapp is fine.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Cap space is a non-story. Remember last year, when we were untold $$$ over the cap? We re-signed everyone we wanted. We’ll restructure a deal or three, and have the money to sign whoever we want, same as every year.
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“McKenzie said the Raiders are in OK shape regarding the salary cap and should be able to sign some free agents without asking players to restructure their deals.
“From where we are, we’ve got some contracts that are kind of out of whack,” he said. “But in my discussions and viewing the cap situation, we should be fine.”
http://blog.sfgate.com/raiders/2012/01/30/notes-and-quotes-from-after-the-press-conference/
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Bleeder….u see lil cuzzo with the swoopin left high off the glas?…..I taught him that shot in summer of 2000…made him repeat it over and over against me…that’s why he can got shot off against bigger guys….big cuzzo prepared him. See that midrange jumper? No guard in college at 6′1 has that
January 31st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
573.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Brien,
Knapp is irrelevant in that he’s good enough to call plays in this system. He’s not a concern, is what I meant. We’ll need 30 min. a game out of him, 20 points, and as little turnovers as possible. He’s capable of that. We’re a defensive team. We don’t need an OC that’s known for lighting up the scoreboard. And having one would only hurt morale. They’ll just clash with Allen. Remember Buddy and Gilbride? Yeah, that. We’re not going to have that here. And that’s why the Oilers never could win it all, despite being talented.
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Like Knapp did with Donatell in Atlanta? The Falcons DC was so mad at Knapp schitty playcalling they about threw down.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Is Cortland Finagen going to be considered high price. Pairing him up with routte would look good that would be the most physical duo. Wr would hate To play us vs loving to play vs routte and lito w/ bres calling the plays lol.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Dakota,
McKenzie and Allen won’t be judged by this year alone, at least not by Mark Davis, who will the one who decides how long they stay. They’ll get 3 years. And in that time, there’s plenty of avenues to acquire the right players for our defense.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Wide Receivers
89 Ronald Curry
17 Tim Dwight PR
15 Johnnie Lee Higgins PR
14 Chris McFoy
84 Jerry Porter
Really, now. C’mon.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Yes MR…please show your face at the coliseum this year…it will be a pleasure beating you senseless
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This stuff has no place on this blog, either. C’mon Nation.
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
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Steve:
Just ignore it – since medicinal marijuana was legalized in the state of California, you’re gonna get crap like this sometimes!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:19 pm
trueRaider,
As long as I’ve known, Atlanta has been an offensive team. More was expected out of Knapp there. Here, he’ll only need to keep the ball half the game and put up 20.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Knapp is not a good playcaller MR…ur full of schit!…as usual….AND U LIL PXSSY u will never show ur 49er ass up….u lied as AlbertaMR that u would show up….of course we know u backed out
January 31st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Running Backs
36 Justin Griffith FB
34 LaMont Jordan
25 Justin Fargas
46 Oren O’Neal FB
33 Dominic Rhodes
January 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Quarterbacks
12 Josh McCown
2 JaMarcus Russell
16 Andrew Walter
January 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:10 pm
The Knapp hiring is a huge downer. I was getting pretty excited about coach Allen and the new regime, but this decision is like a kick in the gut. Knapp was just awful here, and I don’t see anything on his resume since then that inspires any confidence that he is suddenly a good coordinator. Our only hope is that they keep Saunders around for when Knapp falls on his face like last time.
Fukin bummer.
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So much for continuity on Offense.
BUT I’m not totally bummed because Palmer is the kind of QB that can take the Offense on his shoulder and run with it, he does not need to be spoon fed. He was able to do some good last year coming off the couch. Although its a new system, he’ll have more time to work through it before the season starts.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Offensive Linemen
66 Cooper Carlisle G
76 Robert Gallery G/T
75 Mario Henderson T
79 Paul McQuistan G
51 Chris Morris C
60 Jeremy Newberry C
78 Jonathan Palmer T
65 Barry Sims T
72 Seth Wand T
63 Mark Wilson T
January 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Krappy, that’s pretty low to tattle tale on your grandson Brian the Genital.
What’s his cousin, the back up to the back up point guard at DIII Missouri Valley Southern Tech State going to think?
By the way blog brahs, don’t ever fool yourself into thinking it’s easy to crap out an Awesome Blossom. Gonna need to chase this bad boy with a box of Captain Crunch, if you know what I mean.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Brien, I’ll be at a few games this year, and you will not be a problem.
Back to Knapp, like I said, in this defensive system, he’ll only need to put up 20 points a game, keep turnovers low, and keep the ball half the game. He does that, the job’s his to lose. Defense will take it from there.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Post 586 hahahahahahaha….MR doesn’t pay attention to the truth….his motto is LIE LIE LIE AND…LIE SOME MORE
January 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
593.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Running Backs
36 Justin Griffith FB
34 LaMont Jordan
25 Justin Fargas
46 Oren O’Neal FB
33 Dominic Rhodes
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Lane Kiffin was calling plays then, not Knapp.
Only time I remember Knapp calling the offense in Oakland was during the Cable era, and it was not good.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
I agree, I think the Raiders need a high-percentage offense to compliment our porous defense.
That’s what I blamed Hue Jackson for. He knew that defense was bad, yet he didn’t cover them
January 31st, 2012 at 1:22 pm
No OC would have won with this offense. It’s painful to look at it now.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Mr u won’t show up at all u coward…I’ll do you worse than Brian Stowe
January 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
I hope Knapp is only hated by association with the JaMarcus era. Hopefully he can show us some good work with actual talent on offense.
I think it would have been hard for Bill Walsh to work with Jamarcus and Fargas and rookie receivers.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Why should there be continuity on offense? This is a team that hasn’t had a winning season in over a decade! No offensive pro bowlers! If anything, now that we’re a defensive team, the key should be to look for places to create cap space in our offense. No doubt there’s a few overpaid Davis scholarships still hanging around on that side of the ball too.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Hahahahahaha this defensive system? Lol which system is that MR?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Fk it, what’s done is done. Just have to live with it and hope for once in his life Knapp can call a good game since he is the man on offense with our HC leaving it completely up to him to get the job done.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Oh sKnapp!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
We have some offensive talent in place now. A good back-up QB and some depth at WR plus tagging Bush is all we need on Offense.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Brien, even Brian Stowe would knock you out.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Bleeder….u see lil cuzzo with the swoopin left high off the glas?…..I taught him that shot in summer of 2000…made him repeat it over and over against me…that’s why he can got shot off against bigger guys….big cuzzo prepared him. See that midrange jumper? No guard in college at 6′1 has that
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Yea, I referenced it earlier in the comments. I thought that foul killed them, but he came right back with the lay. Mizzu is tough man. I watch a lot of college ball, and I mean A LOT, and Mizzu is tough as nails. They’re small, but there aren’t too many teams that can run with ‘em.
I hear ya, and trust, I notice. Hell, if Siva had that automatic midrange, he’d be the best guard in the country; that’s the only thing holding him back. Keep your eye out for the Ville’s freshman Behanan. B-Han is turning into a monster on the block.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:15 pm
What receivers were on the roster last time Knapp was in Oakland with Jamarcus Russell as the QB and Al Davis in his ear telling him to heave the rock deep every other play? Who was on the OL? I remember those offenses being pretty void of talent and experience. No wondeer it didn’t work out well.
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I’ll give Knapp a pass because of lack of talent during his last stint with Oakland. How do you explain his less than stellar playcalling with other teams? Hard to get excited, Ecspecialy after our new coach said yesterday he was looking for a guy that was the total opposite of Knapp (philosophy wise).
Maybe Allen is just comfortable with Knapp and hopes he can remold him into a different kind of cordinator then he actually is.
Personnaly I doubt it, Can’t teach an old dog new tricks.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Brien,
defensive minded GM? Defensive minded HC? That’s not a defensive system?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Other people have said it before, but I’ll chime in. I love me some DMAC, but I can’t trust that he’ll stay healthy enough to be productive. Trade him now and get back some draft picks, and make amends with Michael Bush so that he re-signs and goes into camp as the #1 back.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
609.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
We have some offensive talent in place now. A good back-up QB and some depth at WR plus tagging Bush is all we need on Offense.
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Tagging Bush? Really? Seems we could get a better back with $8 million bucks than twinkle toes, out of gas Bush.
If McKenzie franchises a backup RB he will be laughed out of the NFL.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Beecher the sad Drag Queen…..upset you have no family members hittin game winning shots on espn and getting interviewed on natl tv? Go watch highlights buddy and u will see him over and over and over again
January 31st, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Dakota, will you be judging Knapp on offensive stats, or wins? I’ll be judging him on wins. And I’ll give him a couple of years, just as Mark will. Once Reggie and Dennis get their defensive players in place, we’ll only need 20 points/game from Knapp. Will you still hate him for not putting up 30? Even if we’re winning?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
raidertbone Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Other people have said it before, but I’ll chime in. I love me some DMAC, but I can’t trust that he’ll stay healthy enough to be productive. Trade him now and get back some draft picks, and make amends with Michael Bush so that he re-signs and goes into camp as the #1 back.
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If you think a RB coming off of a foot injury is going to get you decent picks then you stopped watching the NFL back in the mid 1990s.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Krappy, that was HILARIOUS yesterday when you threw a hissy fit because they scheduled the Allen presser during your nap!
Almost as gut busting as the time Gallinari did his best impression of Brian the Genital’s cousin, and clanked that game winning layup against the Lake Show!
Yet another classic blopper in the Kelly Family catalog.
2 AWESOME BEST RECOGNIZE A TRUE GAME WARRIOR
January 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Because Allen has a defensive background we are now a defensive team that won’t score but around 20 points a game.Wasn’t Belichick from a defensive background?Aren’t the Pats one of the leaders in the league in scoring every year?Wasn’t Billick an offensive background guy whose teams won 10-3 games due to its defense?You can’t pigeon-hole people due to their backgrounds.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Although our offense was not perfect,as per The Fourth Quarter drought down the stretch and our reliance on too many field goals, it did score enough to put us in the Playoffs if the Defense can make ONE STOP in the either the San Diego, Detroit, Denver, or Buffalo games.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Possibility of getting Asante Samuel away from Philly?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Wins & Points is what matters.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
609.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
We have some offensive talent in place now. A good back-up QB and some depth at WR plus tagging Bush is all we need on Offense.
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Tagging Bush? Really? Seems we could get a better back with $8 million bucks than twinkle toes, out of gas Bush.
If McKenzie franchises a backup RB he will be laughed out of the NFL.
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Dakota, you’re trippin’. Please explain how your blind love for McFadden somehow translates into thinking Bush is a bum. Only reason Bush ran out of gas is ’cause every other RB on our team can’t seem to find their way on the field, and the fact our WRs also got hurt pretty much put the red target on Bush. He still had a solid year though despite all that.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Hue Jackson for OC?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
raidertbone Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Possibility of getting Asante Samuel away from Philly?
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Too long in the tooth.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Hue Jackson for OC?
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Tom Cable says he’s a great WRs coach..
January 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
614.raidertbone Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Other people have said it before, but I’ll chime in. I love me some DMAC, but I can’t trust that he’ll stay healthy enough to be productive. Trade him now and get back some draft picks, and make amends with Michael Bush so that he re-signs and goes into camp as the #1 back.
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We need DMC more now than ever, with Knapp as OC it will probably be 80/20, run to pass ratio.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Lefty, take away Brady, and New England was a defensive team all of those years. Which should bring us to agreement. We still need a franchise QB, defensive system or not. Just as Steelers need Roethliberger and Patriots need Brady.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Assume, assume, assume…
PAst performance is NOT indicative about futre results!
Like D.A. said, we are going to be exploive in the passing game.
Last time Knapp was here we had a Hurrible offense with the purple drink QB.
We have an explosive offense and when healthy we run the ball as good as anyone, why would we change that. If anything we will be balanced AND now we can go DEEP Baby.
To say we are only going to score 20 points a game is just an opinion, we can and will put up points as needed
January 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I asked Santa to bring RoMac some strong arms so that he could tackle better. He misunderstood me and just left a bunch of pistols under the tree. Sad santa!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Only reason Bush ran out of gas
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top backs don’t run out of gas, I’d like to keep him at the right price, not the franchise tag
January 31st, 2012 at 1:34 pm
stupidest thing ive read…”now that we are a defensive team…” It hasnt happened yet!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
QB is pivotal on offense. I never said we didn’t need a QB. But we don’t need an OC with a rep for putting up points. Knapp would be fine in our system. Charlie Weiss coordinated Brady to a few SBs, stunk at ND. Those thinking high profile OC should be thinking high profile QB.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
And the B-auce along with Brother B-auce will be flying to Missouri on Thursday and will be at the KU vs MU..the festured game on espn…collge gameday will be there as will I! And even worse we got da bzies on deck……LAMBO CITY
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Knapp should at least know how ladylike DMAC is.
Don’t they check for undescended nads at the combine?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Method, why bother with that little dweb ? you know he is a scared little mamas boy with no life at all. hell the only time he gets any sunshine or fresh air is when his mother lets him out of the basement.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
so which would you have preferred:
Hue Jackson head coach with a new DC
or
Dennis Allen head coach with Knapp as OC?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Kelly Skipper will be retained as RB coach.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
olinesux,
I base calling us a defensive team on the fact that our GM and HC are defensive minded. If that’s “stupid” to you, I’m sorry. Stupid to me would be to believe that we’re going to be some high scoring, gambling offensive team with this defensive minded management. lol.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
628.realtruraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:32 pm
614.raidertbone Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Other people have said it before, but I’ll chime in. I love me some DMAC, but I can’t trust that he’ll stay healthy enough to be productive. Trade him now and get back some draft picks, and make amends with Michael Bush so that he re-signs and goes into camp as the #1 back.
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We need DMC more now than ever, with Knapp as OC it will probably be 80/20, run to pass ratio.
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If I could trust that he wouldn’t break, I’d be right there with you. But, given his history, I don’t trust his future. Trade him now, while we can …
January 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Mr u won’t show up at all u coward…I’ll do you worse than Brian Stowe
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Does anybody else find this incredibility offensive?
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
January 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
so which would you have preferred:
Hue Jackson head coach with a new DC
or
Dennis Allen head coach with Knapp as OC?
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The latter.
Tired of the used car Hue kept trying to sell.
Didnt come close to coming thru on anything he said.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Only reason Bush ran out of gas
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top backs don’t run out of gas, I’d like to keep him at the right price, not the franchise tag
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Agree to a point…I don’t think we should tag him either, but more so from the view that he’s earned his keep and should get a decent multi-year payday from us. And a lot of top backs do run out of gas late in the season if they’re the only back now-a-days. No, he isn’t Adrian Peterson, but Bush should be on our “must keep” list.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
so which would you have preferred:
Hue Jackson head coach with a new DC
or
Dennis Allen head coach with Knapp as OC?
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option #1 and add a special coordinator brought in just to pistol whip any player that has a stupid mental penalty.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Now MR we agree…we need a franchise qb….Palmer sucks
January 31st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
624.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:28 pm
609.Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:25 pm
We have some offensive talent in place now. A good back-up QB and some depth at WR plus tagging Bush is all we need on Offense.
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Tagging Bush? Really? Seems we could get a better back with $8 million bucks than twinkle toes, out of gas Bush.
If McKenzie franchises a backup RB he will be laughed out of the NFL.
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Dakota, you’re trippin’. Please explain how your blind love for McFadden somehow translates into thinking Bush is a bum. Only reason Bush ran out of gas is ’cause every other RB on our team can’t seem to find their way on the field, and the fact our WRs also got hurt pretty much put the red target on Bush. He still had a solid year though despite all that.
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I like Bush, as a backup RB. You can’t franchise a backup RB. Especially one that runs weak for his weight, and who runs out of gas.
Bush and McFadden make a great combo, but if you need to franchise Bush in order to keep him then you have to let him go. Bush can be replaced by other decent backs for a much cheaper price. Lots of backs can get you 3.5 ypc and 70 yards a game like Bush did down the stretch last year.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Word to Reggie:
Absolutely do the best you can to re-sign Bush but ABSOLUTELY do not franchise him!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
645.HairyBush Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:37 pm
inonewordraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:35 pm
so which would you have preferred:
Hue Jackson head coach with a new DC
or
Dennis Allen head coach with Knapp as OC?
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option #1 and add a special coordinator brought in just to pistol whip any player that has a stupid mental penalty.
A disciplinary coordinator?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Kell, it’s just Brien. He thinks by intimidating people he’ll deter them from expressing their views. He’s a Republican. Go figure. lol.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Kell shut up u old whiny btch…stay snitchin on ppl….go get jackie kelly to throw talcum powder on your old ass and go to sleep
January 31st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Until we have a QB lead us back to the playoffs, any QB we have/bring in will be considered as a suck-master.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:40 pm
But, yeah, Steve specifically pointed out threats as something he’d be watching for. Hope Brien cools off before he gets banned. He’s funny most of the time, and makes good points occasionally.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Lets get KK banned.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Mr…when have I ever said I was a republican?…anyone who thinks for themselves and even dares to criticize the dem party is a republican to you….makes zero sense
January 31st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Bush and McFadden make a great combo, but if you need to franchise Bush in order to keep him then you have to let him go.
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said as much a lil’ earlier…. But completely disagree with the thinking of some that Bush can easily be replaced. Not too many backs with that size and skill who defenders don’t want to hit (especially late in games) with that proven durability.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Kell, it’s just Brien. He thinks by intimidating people he’ll deter them from expressing their views. He’s a Republican. Go figure. lol.
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I know, but bringing Brian Stowe into it? Horrible.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Where’s MB? He’s almost always here when Brien’s here.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Move Trevor Scott back to LB and re-sign #33!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
654 i will second that !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
That’s just Brien’s style, Kell. Bringing up Stowe is shock value. Brien’s like a rapper, but without the talent.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
DMAC is FAR easier to replace than Bush.
One may run out of gas but the other never leaves the shop.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Blackstock and Groves should start packing their silver and black duffel bags
January 31st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Mike lol I got ya bruh
January 31st, 2012 at 1:43 pm
lol 662
January 31st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
This is my thing…the guy has not proven to be a great OC…wasn’t it said that his offenses were always near the bottom 10? This all will now depend on who the DC is!
However, sometimes it is necessary to take a step back to take 3 steps forward! I’m passing judgement until I see that!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
That’s just Brien’s style, Kell. Bringing up Stowe is shock value. Brien’s like a rapper, but without the talent.
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I don’t even know how “Rapper Without Talent” means anything special. That describes 99% of them, no?
January 31st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
660.R8ER MIKE Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:42 pm
654 i will second that !!!
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Just ignore “Ricky”!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Wow, Duck, you don’t like rap. One more uncool thing about you.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Wow, Duck, you don’t like rap. One more uncool thing about you.
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99% of it is terrible. Wynton Marsalis once described it as “someone cursing over a beat.”
January 31st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Greg KnAPP SUCKS, WHEN TOM CABLE TAKES OVER YOUR PLAYCALLING DUTIES, THEN THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU. HOW IN THE HELL SHANARAT 2.O HIRED HIM IS BEYOND STUPIDITY.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
MR hahaha…..u accusing someone of going for shock value? Let’s hear you talk about white ppl again
January 31st, 2012 at 1:48 pm
raiderdav Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Greg KnAPP SUCKS, WHEN TOM CABLE TAKES OVER YOUR PLAYCALLING DUTIES, THEN THERE’S SOMETHING WRONG WITH YOU. HOW IN THE HELL SHANARAT 2.O HIRED HIM IS BEYOND STUPIDITY.
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Stop shouting. We can hear you fine.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Trevor Scott is week, for his size and speed he should be way better than he is. Too soft like McClain, all de, lb, should want to inflict pain on qbs and rbs. Scott has same soft side as McClain. They both should of been male nurses.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Duck, i’m sure you found the time to listen to every single rapper in the world, even independent, underground, mix tapes, to come to the precise scientific conclusion that 99% of it is bad. Congratulations. Evidently the Raiders still think it’s cool, though. They play Too Short Blow the Whistle after TDs.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Anyhow…its been fun…but got some runnin around to do before thursda morning’s flight to the midwest(podunk)….y’all be cool….well Kell u aren’t capable of such
January 31st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Rap may suck, but I’m pretty sure Too Short has more women with him at his club seats than Duck does!!! haha
January 31st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
raiderdav is right….
January 31st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
McKenzie wasn’t a sexy choice. neither was Allen. neither is Knapp.
so what?
any Raider fans predicting we’ll finish worse than 8-8 are freaking stupid.
Semi pros acting like Al Davis, Hue Jackson & Al Saunders weren’t replaceable!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
If the OC hire was this fast…I hope we here something that will offset this news with a respected good DC! Well…
January 31st, 2012 at 1:52 pm
More like, it’s lockdown time in Rita, and Brien has to log off the computer.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Put it this way…I don’t like the hire of Knapp part 2, but I will forget about it unless he comes in and says that he loves Breshnahan’s passion! puke!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Ray_d Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I remember Art Shell also brought in his GUY, Tom Walsh that worked out great.
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Wow that is not even fair – Shell found him at a Bed and Breakfast in Idaho! He was out of the league for years. There is no comparison between Knapp and Walsh. He had 7 second drop backs and we led the league in sacks allowed! I wish we kept Saunders but Knapp is not a bad option.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Krappy, your grandson Brian the Genital referencing Brian Stow is not nearly as offensive as:
1) Your profile picture on Kane & Associates.com
2) Sponging off your wife so you can visit Copenhagen
3) Posting links and meaningless stats all day on a football blog
4) Driving a shiny red Corvette in small town parade
5) Calling youself a “Blog Personality”
January 31st, 2012 at 1:55 pm
the Chiefs blocked the Bears from interviewing quarterbacks coach Jim Zorn for a similar job on Lovie Smith’s staff. – PFT
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LOL
yeah, he did a great job with Cassel & Orton, didn’t he?
suhweet!!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
raidertbone Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Other people have said it before, but I’ll chime in. I love me some DMAC, but I can’t trust that he’ll stay healthy enough to be productive. Trade him now and get back some draft picks, and make amends with Michael Bush so that he re-signs and goes into camp as the #1 back.
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Bush demonstrated this year that he’s NOT a starting RB. He’s fine for a change of pace but that’s it. If Reggie tags Bush, he will lose all credibility about being able to judge talent. We can probably get Marshawn Lynch on FA for what we are paying Bush NOW. Let Bush go. We can certainly do better.
DMac gets this upcoming year to try & stay healthy all year AND lead the league in rushing. Palmer needs to be allowed to run a Peyton Manning type offense (i.e. calling his own plays). Knapp can suggest plays in his ear but Palmer decides and calls the play he thinks will work best. hat system worked for Peyton and Palmer has the smarts & experience to do the same.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
683.1960AutumnWind Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Ray_d Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 12:45 pm
I remember Art Shell also brought in his GUY, Tom Walsh that worked out great.
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Wow that is not even fair – Shell found him at a Bed and Breakfast in Idaho! He was out of the league for years. There is no comparison between Knapp and Walsh. He had 7 second drop backs and we led the league in sacks allowed! I wish we kept Saunders but Knapp is not a bad option.
I agree…no comparison! Also, Art was out of modern day football for awhile also!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
What’s the difference between a male nurse and a virgin woman? The virgin only bleeds once a month
January 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Peyton Manning plans to play in 2012 … for the Cleveland Browns
January 31st, 2012 at 1:57 pm
hahahhahahaha 684.. so true sir !!!
January 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
inonewordphag:
disgusting
January 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
If Mike Bush, doesn’t get tagged, he’s gone.
January 31st, 2012 at 1:59 pm
I’m thinking “R8ER MIKE” is someone we know all too well.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
inonewordphag:
disgusting
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aww you a male nurse? No wonder you do the wife and kids thing to cover it up
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
This thing might get ugly next year on the Defense. We got a lot of scholarships that suck BUT no draft picks to replace them.
Allen might have to put up with a lot of prima-donnas on D or elevate a bunch of Practice squad guys/rookie3rd,4th,5th rounders. Either way were gonna have to bite the bullet next year on D.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
JB Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Bush demonstrated this year that he’s NOT a starting RB
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Really, how many yards did he gain last year?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
inonewordphag:
grow up. grow a pair
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Bush needs to be a north south runner. He’s a good RB when he is. When he tries to find a hole and be Barry Sanders, he’s useless. He struggled with that identity all last year. Part of it isn’t his fault, whereas McFadden was hurt and he had to step up and be the tail back. But nonetheless, do what you’re good at. We might be in the playoffs if he’d just run the way he’s supposed to. It was one of many reasons we fell apart. So I don’t blame him alone in any way.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Rap may suck, but I’m pretty sure Too Short has more women with him at his club seats than Duck does!!! haha
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He probably does. I’ve been happily married for 17 years, and have no desire to go to a club, spend $$$ to hear music I could listen to at home for free, and spend even more $$$$ for drinks I could make at home for $.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
The last few years all you read on here was we need to run the ball.So our new HC hires an OC known for running the ball and people are going ballistic proving that no matter what is done,most will complain.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:02 pm
and who would that be sully?
only been on this site for a few months.
live in maryland, work in washington d.c.
48 years old, married with one son,two step children and a grandson.
there now you know me.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:00 pm
inonewordphag:
grow up. grow a pair
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oh you an internet tough guy now? pick a game i’ll be there and tell me the same thing
January 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
This thing might get ugly next year on the Defense. We got a lot of scholarships that suck BUT no draft picks to replace them.
Allen might have to put up with a lot of prima-donnas on D or elevate a bunch of Practice squad guys/rookie3rd,4th,5th rounders. Either way were gonna have to bite the bullet next year on D.
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R-talk,
Dennis Allen will give some guys a shot under a legit DC and we’ll see what kind of production can be milked from this group. I’m just glad we don’t have to worry about giving Tyvon Branch a contract for 4-years $50 million!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Duck, Too Short could get married and women would still be knocking his door down.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bush doesn’t get the tough yards. Reece certainly is not a power runner either. We need a RB who can pick up a 4th and 2 consistently. If we can find a back who can do that, and act as an insurance policy for McFadden, then we would not miss Bush that much.
Bush may come crawling back to Oakland once he finds out his true market value.
Franchise Bush? That is insane Al Davis-like thinking…..
January 31st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:58 pm
If Mike Bush, doesn’t get tagged, he’s gone.
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So? Who really cares? We can do better.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Romney, 2012
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Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:17 pm
We need a conservative
January 31st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RR would stil like to see Branch in silver and black next year. but for the right price of course.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 1:36 pm
olinesux,
I base calling us a defensive team on the fact that our GM and HC are defensive minded. If that’s “stupid” to you, I’m sorry. Stupid to me would be to believe that we’re going to be some high scoring, gambling offensive team with this defensive minded management. lol.
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wasn’t our last GM “Defensive Minded”
January 31st, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Rockstar,
Correct. Two guys we cannot afford to overpay: Bush and Branch. If they will not take reasonable contracts, then let someone else overpay and discover they are not all that great.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
48 with a grandson, Mike? Have I seen your family on Jerry Springer by any chance?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Cain, was Al Davis defensive minded? Sure. For the 1960’s game.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bush doesn’t get the tough yards. Reece certainly is not a power runner either. We need a RB who can pick up a 4th and 2 consistently. If we can find a back who can do that, and act as an insurance policy for McFadden, then we would not miss Bush that much.
Bush may come crawling back to Oakland once he finds out his true market value.
Franchise Bush? That is insane Al Davis-like thinking…..
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That’s my opinion too!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
January 31st, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Bush doesn’t get the tough yards. Reece certainly is not a power runner either. We need a RB who can pick up a 4th and 2 consistently. If we can find a back who can do that, and act as an insurance policy for McFadden, then we would not miss Bush that much.
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we need a better right side of the oline to block better on fourth an 2
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
The best thing is we know palmers day are numbered here, well at least that is what i think is coming in 2013.
Palmer doesnt fit the wco, but i would rather have a version like they run in philly, where we can still use our wrs to go vertical. I dont think palmer would deliver in that version of the wco either. To be sure the packers, the 98 vikes, and the 09′2010 eagles are the only wco that i care for, the kind that will stretch the field after lulling you and everyone in the stadium asleep with dink and dunk ( barf, gag) quick passing.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Romney, 2012
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Oh yeah, his magic underwear could be trouble for the Prez. Unlike yours. Lol.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
711.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
48 with a grandson, Mike? Have I seen your family on Jerry Springer by any chance?
Nothing wrong with being 48 and having a grandchild!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:10 pm
MB, Gingrich sure doesn’t think Romney’s a conservative.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Im a pissed raider fan right now…Knapp for OC?…
WTF! Didnt the raider O regresed under him? he runs a conservative boring offense… and Cable had to strip the OC duty from Knapp!!
Thats the high tempo N.O Saint style offense Dennis Allen is talking about?
Man, this is definetely a B.S. hire…
And dont even get me started on hiring Manusky as DC…
Whats going on with the hires?… We may end up being the laughinstock of the NFL… I guess Dennis Allen is feeling nervous about being the head coach and is bringing in these retreads to save his neck…
bad omen indeed…. bad talent evaluation going on in raiderville…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
This thing might get ugly next year on the Defense. We got a lot of scholarships that suck BUT no draft picks to replace them.
Allen might have to put up with a lot of prima-donnas on D or elevate a bunch of Practice squad guys/rookie3rd,4th,5th rounders. Either way were gonna have to bite the bullet next year on D.
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R-talk,
Dennis Allen will give some guys a shot under a legit DC and we’ll see what kind of production can be milked from this group. I’m just glad we don’t have to worry about giving Tyvon Branch a contract for 4-years $50 million!
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Hope you’re right, but this D will have to get used to a Discipline they have never seen before, wonder how they’ll react, kinda of like coming out of the transition period where you had no immediate supervisor at work. But hey they’ll have to earn the MILLIONS they get now.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
711.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:08 pm
48 with a grandson, Mike? Have I seen your family on Jerry Springer by any chance?
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Why, because he had a kid when he was 24, who then had a kid when he or she was 24?
That’s nothing compared to your 20 years of masturbating over your cousin’s old azz senior pictures in your mom’s basement. Hope you wash your hands before you go to work at Carl’s Jr.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:13 pm
hwnrdr, I agree, there’s nothing wrong with being 48 and having a grand kid. But it means at some point in the family timeline somebody’s rubber broke.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Greg Knapp!?? Doesnt Reggie Mac weigh in and tell him, “Hey Dennis, this guy Knapp youre hiring for OC, he was here already and he was pretty bad…”
January 31st, 2012 at 2:15 pm
24’s a little young to have a kid today. Most women with their schit together wait till late ’20s.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
raidertalk Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:03 pm
This thing might get ugly next year on the Defense. We got a lot of scholarships that suck BUT no draft picks to replace them.
Allen might have to put up with a lot of prima-donnas on D or elevate a bunch of Practice squad guys/rookie3rd,4th,5th rounders. Either way were gonna have to bite the bullet next year on D.
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R-talk,
Dennis Allen will give some guys a shot under a legit DC and we’ll see what kind of production can be milked from this group. I’m just glad we don’t have to worry about giving Tyvon Branch a contract for 4-years $50 million!
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Hope you’re right, but this D will have to get used to a Discipline they have never seen before, wonder how they’ll react, kinda of like coming out of the transition period where you had no immediate supervisor at work. But hey they’ll have to earn the MILLIONS they get now.
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Some of them will have seen it with other teams. I suspect Allen’s brand of discipline will come as no major shock to Seymour, for instance.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
oh you an internet tough guy now? pick a game i’ll be there and tell me the same thing
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inonewordphag: if I fly from Missouri to California to catch a Raider game, I’ll be chillin with my bros Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, ROG & DMAC. I got no reason to whip your ace – hows that for an “internet tough guy” ???
January 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Wrong…. •A blogger is someone who blogs, or writes content for a blog. Not someone who comments! #EpicFail!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Be careful what you say about my transgender father, Don. Remember, he’s your transgender grandfather.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
Franchise Taiwegian Jones!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
I would have preferred Al Saunders.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:21 pm
727.Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:15 pm
24’s a little young to have a kid today. Most women with their schit together wait till late ’20s.
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This sounds like the wishful thinking of a dude in his mid to late 30s who doesn’t yet have his life together lol.
MR’s Mom: “Sonny, when are you gonna get married and move out of my basement?”
MR: “Don’t worry mom, there are plenty of women getting their doctorates right now who will eventually come around to wanting a family!”
MR’s Mom: “Oh schyt, you are never moving out!”
MR: “Mom, will you be quiet, I am looking back at cousin Danny’s yearbook! I need quiet for a minute or two. Okay?”
January 31st, 2012 at 2:22 pm
I wonder if Kevin Boss is out on the ledge at 1220 Harborbay Parkway. He was going to have a MAD year with Huge gone and Al calling the o-shots…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Dakota,
Who should Reggie pay more…
Bush or McFakin?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Hey Chaos, there are a lot of delicate, and fragile psyches in here who “think” they are “providing content” for Steve and Jerry’s blog. Please don’t destroy that fantasy, repercussions would be non-trivial…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bo,
Worry about McFadden’s contract when it is up in two years.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Dakota, show me a woman today under 25 with a kid who’s in a good marriage, career situation with either her or her husband is set up, etc. This isn’t the 1920’s, Dakota. Most women today with any kind of goals in life wait till their late 20’s.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
According to Bill Williamson DAllen has been turned down from interviewing prospective DCs from other teams.Bet the sh!t really hits the fan around here when he announces who he has hired for DC.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
oh you an internet tough guy now? pick a game i’ll be there and tell me the same thing
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inonewordphag: if I fly from Missouri to California to catch a Raider game, I’ll be chillin with my bros Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, ROG & DMAC. I got no reason to whip your ace – hows that for an “internet tough guy” ???
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Yeah, mess with the guy who spends all his time hunting animals with guns. Maybe he can take you hunting with him…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
JLofty Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:20 pm
I would have preferred Al Saunders.
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You and about 95% of us here on this blog.
In my book, bringing Knapp back is up there with the hiring of Bresnahan last year.
Both have/will prove to be disastrous to this franchise.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
this D will have to get used to a Discipline they have never seen before, wonder how they’ll react, kinda of like coming out of the transition period where you had no immediate supervisor at work. But hey they’ll have to earn the MILLIONS they get now
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R-talk,
who is gonna complain about hard work? guys refusing to put in the effort will be punished. traded, cut or benched. I think there will be some renegotiated contracts as well, even if they aren’t made public.
I agree with Duck. Seymour will take this change in stride, while a few others like Kelly, McClain, Routt & Huff may not – at first anyways
Curry, Wimbley, Henderson & Moss will probably adjust just fine as well imo. They are vets from other NFL teams that probably didn’t tolerate the b.s. that Oakland has been known for FOR YEARS …
January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Who is worth more cash, current contracts aside?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
lefty12 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
According to Bill Williamson DAllen has been turned down from interviewing prospective DCs from other teams.Bet the sh!t really hits the fan around here when he announces who he has hired for DC.
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“Teams,” as in plural. I was only aware of Denver putting the kibosh on Smith.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
“A source told FOXSports.com that running backs coach Kelly Skipper will be retained and Greg Manusky was interviewed for the defensive coordinator position. NFL Network reported Greg Knapp also has accepted the offensive coordinator position that, as first reported by FOXSports.com, was offered to him several days ago.”
January 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
MB, the occupiers dont’ support 0bama. They’re critical of him too for not being liberal enough. Shows how little you really know about the politics of your day.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Hey Bo,
Didja see Jon Condo at the Probo? If it weren’t for Brad Roll’s awesome conditioning coaching, poor Jon would have pulled BOTH glutes with all those extrapoints!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Does anybody else find Krappy’s undergarment reference incredibility offensive?
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:09 pm
MistaBrown Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Romney, 2012
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Oh yeah, his magic underwear could be trouble for the Prez. Unlike yours. Lol.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:28 pm
745.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Who is worth more cash, current contracts aside?
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It is not even close….McFadden by far. Much better back. Get over it.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I guess some people in here still wish Al Davis was hiring his Head Coach’s, Coordinators.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
MR, Gloria Allred had a kid at 20.
Don’t be a judgmental bigot.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
I miss Al.
Just Win baby.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
KK Munster Hypocrite POS, no comment ?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Looks like the LA_Raiders are up in 2 years. Greg Knapp as an OC? Why not Mike Martz? Can we get any worse?
At least all the McClain haters will have to STFU when he gets put into a “REAL” defensive system and he wont have a CLUELESS BRESNAHAN creating a dumb a$$ game plan.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
A source told FOXSports.com that running backs coach Kelly Skipper will be retained and Greg Manusky was interviewed for the defensive coordinator position
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cool. DK007 calls Skipper “the penguin”
LOL
January 31st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
The difference JB, is I am not freaking out or throwing myself off the bandwagon just yet. I’ve just seen what Al Saunders can do with RBs and TEs with talent and size.
Knapp’s alright but Saunders had some sauce!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
Does anybody else find Krappy’s 4th grade level grammar incredibility offensive?
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
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KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I guess some people in here still wish Al Davis was hiring his Head Coach’s, Coordinators.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
753.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:30 pm
MR, Gloria Allred had a kid at 20.
Don’t be a judgmental bigot.
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He is just angry at his mom for getting knocked up when she was 15….by her cousin, who also happens to be named Danny……
January 31st, 2012 at 2:32 pm
No! Not Manusky!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Get over it?
DMAC quit on my team in a playoff race. This ain’t the Cubs buddy, where they idolize losers.
Bush RAN the ball. DMAC = welfare queen.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
At least all the McClain haters will have to STFU when he gets put into a “REAL” defensive system and he wont have a CLUELESS BRESNAHAN creating a dumb a$$ game plan
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G-town,
ROMAC = Blackstock = R Brown = Goethel = S Williams
January 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Every other team in the league who might be willing to trade draft picks for McFadden know what we all know. He’s injury prone. He has bum wheels. Hes a Ferrari with bent rims. We are better off to keep him. I will concede that putting the franchise tag on Bush is probably more than his worth, but who are you going to replace him with? If we can get an equivalent back for less, I am all for it. If we can retain him without franchising him, even better.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
President 0bama shows how loving owners transport their dogs. Are you watching, Mitt Romney?
http://slog.thestranger.com/slog/archives/2012/01/30/how-loving-owners-transport-their-dogs
January 31st, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Possible career threatening lisfranc injury = quitting on the team?
What planet are you from Bo?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Every other team in the league who might be willing to trade draft picks for McFadden know what we all know. He’s injury prone. He has bum wheels. Hes a Ferrari with bent rims. We are better off to keep him. I will concede that putting the franchise tag on Bush is probably more than his worth, but who are you going to replace him with? If we can get an equivalent back for less, I am all for it. If we can retain him without franchising him, even better.
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What I REALLY hope is we Franchise Bush and someone’s dumb enough to actually sign him. Then we get the two first-rounders, and our draft cupboard is instantly replenished.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:37 pm
And I’m sure Dakota would view a 20 year old Gloria Allred as a prime example of a woman who has her stuff together. Most women today with any kind of goals in life don’t have kids until their late 20s. That’s just the truth. It’s not bigoted.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
JLofty Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:31 pm
The difference JB, is I am not freaking out or throwing myself off the bandwagon just yet. I’ve just seen what Al Saunders can do with RBs and TEs with talent and size.
Knapp’s alright but Saunders had some sauce!
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You are more generous than I. My rating of Knapp is poor at best. IMO, our offense was just a couple of linemen away from being a top 5 rated O. Now, who knows what it’s going to look like. Fixing things that are not broken is NOT a good philosophy. Again IMO, picking Knapp over Saunders was Allen’s first BIG mistake. If they dump Palmer in favor of one of these so-called WCO QB’s, I’ll really be pissed. We finally now have a franchise QB, the caliber of at least Gannon, and now it appears that they are going to piss that all away.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Vegas they also know he will never play sore. No hulk in him.
Admit it. I was right years ago to call for trading DMAC before his value plummeted.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Greg Knapp = Tom Walsh
January 31st, 2012 at 2:39 pm
DMAC = welfare queen
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BSJ,
DMAC = Prez BO?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Most women who have it together these days have already raised their kids by the time they are 40 and have learned from their mistakes. A 40 yr old divorcee who can earn her own keep and doesnt need me to raise another man’s kids. Yes please!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Sully quoting Cosmo. LOL!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Al Saunders = Ted Tollner
January 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Wow I just figured it out. Allen hired Knapp so he could blame our 3-13 record on him while avoiding giving Cincinnati another 1st and securing a high 1st for us in 1013. Then he has good reason to fire Knapp and hire a real OC like Norv Turner.
The man is a genius.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Cork, I dont think posting political links here is protocol. Can we get this P.E.T.A freak out of here ?
scorkran@bayareanewsgroup.com
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KoolKell Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:35 pm
President 0hbama shows how loving owners transport their dogs. Are you watching, Mitt Romney?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Lisfranc? sounds like a European disease. Take the fkin SHOT son!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Bo,
Do you think the Texans’ fans are ignorant enough to claim Matt Schaub quit on their team because he suffered a lisfranc injury? I doubt it….they leave that stuff up to a few ignorant Raiders’ fans.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Yeah JB, it was fun watching Palmer make throws, I almost forgot what a pro QB could do. If he would just quit those cr@ppy lob balls he tosses into the middle I’d be down…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Bo, we’ve seen McFragile run/play with less 100% wheels and he sucked quite frankly…
January 31st, 2012 at 2:48 pm
734.JLofty Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:24 pm
Hey Chaos, there are a lot of delicate, and fragile psyches in here who “think” they are “providing content” for Steve and Jerry’s blog. Please don’t destroy that fantasy, repercussions would be non-trivial…
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HAHAHAHAHAHA
January 31st, 2012 at 2:49 pm
inonewordphag: if I fly from Missouri to California to catch a Raider game, I’ll be chillin with my bros Dirt Lot, Hwnrdr, ROG & DMAC. I got no reason to whip your ace – hows that for an “internet tough guy” ???
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don’t know what I said that hurt your feelings, talk to your wife about it, I don’t want to hear it
January 31st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Knapp may not be exciting, but I would rather see the Raiders run more than watch Carson throw it 40 times a game.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Schaub hurt his footsies EVERY season?
January 31st, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Right on Lofty. Thus, trade the bum.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
don’t know what I said that hurt your feelings
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inonewordphag: I said your “joke” was disgusting and you went all psycho like I hit your poodle with my truck or somethin’
beef dropped
January 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Raider Chaos, your blog just went from irrelevant and mediocre to utter dog crap with your last couple of posts.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Don, Cosmo clearly has a better grasp of responsible women than you and Dakota do.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
It’s entirely possible that a more conservative WCO is what Palmer needs in order to cut down on picks. Set up the long ball with short passes. Let DHB and Ford open things up with some catch-and-run plays. Keep the offense on schedule with a the run game.
We’ll see, though. I thought Al Saunders was a perfect fit for the type of players roster, but I’m not going to pretend I know what Knapp plans to do playcalling-wise. We just have to wait and see.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Mum-O-killowe Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Wow I just figured it out. Allen hired Knapp so he could blame our 3-13 record on him while avoiding giving Cincinnati another 1st and securing a high 1st for us in 1013. Then he has good reason to fire Knapp and hire a real OC like Norv Turner.
The man is a genius.
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More like -
Poor coaching=Poor team=blackouts=less revnue=no new stadium = L.A. RAIDERS …
January 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
You know what Knapp spells backwards?
ppank
Yes it is time to ppank in Oakland!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Just Win Bay, by saying that you admit they were irresponsible when having children in their early 20s. Further demonstrating my point. I never said Mike was a bad guy for being 48 and a grandfather, just saying somewhere along the family timeline somebody was a little too drunk to pull out.
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Dakota, go water a corn field.
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Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:57 pm
You know what Knapp spells backwards?
ppank
Yes it is time to ppank in Oakland!
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
It was fun watching palmer throw 16 picks in 9 games?!?!?!/
GOOD RIDDANCE
January 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders.com added coaches back to their website, LOL:
http://www.raiders.com/team/coaches.html
January 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
791.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
It was fun watching palmer throw 16 picks in 9 games?!?!?!/
GOOD RIDDANCE
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lol, what crack is Mistic smoking today? Did we miss a post where Carson was traded? Did you just wake from a dream where Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell were signed by the Raiders or something?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:01 pm
r8dercain Says:
we need a better right side of the oline to block better on fourth an 2
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AMEN. Some people act like Bush is also blocking for himself on those short yardage mishaps. I can count numerous times, Carlisle, Satele, Barnes, etc. got blown up. If Bruce Campbell can’t earn himself a starting job this coming camp, he needs to give all those physical gifts and talent back to God.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:02 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:56 pm
It’s entirely possible that a more conservative WCO is what Palmer needs in order to cut down on picks. Set up the long ball with short passes. Let DHB and Ford open things up with some catch-and-run plays. Keep the offense on schedule with a the run game.
We’ll see, though. I thought Al Saunders was a perfect fit for the type of players roster, but I’m not going to pretend I know what Knapp plans to do playcalling-wise. We just have to wait and see.
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I really like when an O can throw deep off play action.
A consistent run game, can provide this.
Quick slants and timing routes enhance the speed we already have on the outside.
Forcing the D to play closer to the line = Big p[lays down field.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@YoungAmerican
You think Knapp could just copy Kubiak’s offense? Knapp has been in Houston for 2 years? Also Knapp’s Wiki page is already updated to reflect he is Oakland’s OC…
January 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@YoungAmerican
You think Knapp could just copy Kubiak’s offense? Knapp has been in Houston for 2 years? Also Knapp’s Wiki page is already updated to reflect he is Oakland’s OC…
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Of course it is. We edited it this morning, right after the Fox Sports report came out.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Greg Manusky Was interviewed for the D-Coordinators position and Kelly Skipper will be retained as running backs coach….. No word yet on how Manuskys’ interview went…..
January 31st, 2012 at 3:06 pm
784.Albert Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Raider Chaos, your blog just went from irrelevant and mediocre to utter dog crap with your last couple of posts.
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Albert, your opinion went from ok to trash to I dont give a s*it what you say all in the span of about 2 minutes
January 31st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
welp .. i told ya so… i knew al saunders wasnt coming back. every raider fan wanted saunders back but i didnt understand why . sooo,, how was san frans offense back then ?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
791.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
It was fun watching palmer throw 16 picks in 9 games?!?!?!/
GOOD RIDDANCE
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lol, what crack is Mistic smoking today? Did we miss a post where Carson was traded? Did you just wake from a dream where Michael Vick, Donovan McNabb and Jason Campbell were signed by the Raiders or something?
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Not at all dakotex,
Poor palmer isnt a fit for knapps offense, and the post of stop gap just got a whole lot shakier with the hiring of the new oc.
We may have to endure palmer for one more season, simply based on the money and picks we gave up to get him. However if he struggles and cant learn the playbook he is gone. he is miscast in knapps offense.
Cant wait to see what qbs we bring in this off season, or who we draft in 2013.
Palmer can take his bungle stripped helmet and his skid marked undies back to the queen city
January 31st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
McFadden much better than Bush.
Bush not a Franchise Tag back.
Reggie knows this.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Funny that Knapp left/fired from his job in Atlanta 2004-2006 and Hue Took over….
January 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
doriangray Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Well .. I told you so… I knew Al Saunders wasn’t coming back. Every Raider fan wanted Saunders back but I didn’t understand why . So, how was San Fran’s offense back then?
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When Knapp ran it? Pretty good.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Speaking of someone who desperately needs to get laid, MB has entered the building.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Greg Knapp’s beyotch of a sister Gwenn, will be named special teams coach…
January 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
LMAO! The moment we get Knapp as OC, Mistic decides to crawl out from his cave. Chill out, homie. Carson isn’t going anywhere. You’ll be back in hiding in no time.
By the way, how’d you like the comments from Big Mac in Black and General Allen yesterday on how Palmer is excited and that they both spoke with him? You enjoy that they both made it a point to talk with him? Bet JC’s phone was as silent as you’ll be next year when Palmer directs his team to the playoffs.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:10 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:03 pm
@YoungAmerican
You think Knapp could just copy Kubiak’s offense? Knapp has been in Houston for 2 years? Also Knapp’s Wiki page is already updated to reflect he is Oakland’s OC…
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Good question. More depth at RB and on the OL would help. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Mike Brisiel be a target to shore up either OG position.
Terrance Ganaway and Mike Tolbert should be targets in the draft and FA. Isaiah Pead could also be an option in the draft if the Raiders decide to cut ties with McFadden (not saying it will happen, but McFadden is the only chip they have if they want to get into the 2nd round).
I think the Raiders will see what they have at WR this season, and upgrade in 2013 if Moore and Ford don’t make strides and/or DHB’s progress doesn’t continue. For a WCO, they could use a big-bodied possession guy who can make things happen over the middle. But again, who knows what Knapp intends to do.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
791.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:58 pm
It was fun watching palmer throw 16 picks in 9 games?!?!?!/
GOOD RIDDANCE
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LMFAO!!! looks like someone missed the presser yesterday, or the multiple interviews Allen has done sense, sorry to let you down but Allen already said Palmer is the starter when the season starts, not training camp, the season. OK?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Not at all dakotex,
Poor palmer isnt a fit for knapps offense, and the post of stop gap just got a whole lot shakier with the hiring of the new oc.
We may have to endure palmer for one more season, simply based on the money and picks we gave up to get him. However if he struggles and cant learn the playbook he is gone. he is miscast in knapps offense.
Cant wait to see what qbs we bring in this off season, or who we draft in 2013.
Palmer can take his bungle stripped helmet and his skid marked undies back to the queen city
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LOL
Palmer is here to stay.
Get over it.
I particularly liked the part about Palmer possibly not grasping a playbook. LOL
January 31st, 2012 at 3:12 pm
“Manusky couldn’t keep up the great work of predecessor Ron Rivera, who moved on to become the first-year head coach of the Carolina Panthers.
There were major statistical drop-offs in key defensive categories under Manusky. After Rivera coached the unit to become the No. 1 total defense, No. 1 pass defense and No. 4 third-down defense in 2010, those rankings fell to No. 16, No. 13 and No. 32, respectively in Manusky’s short tenure.
Turner denied that Manusky was the scapegoat for the team’s struggles.
“Obviously, when you make a change, that’s a natural thing that people assume,” Turner said Thursday. “I think we looked hard at what we need to do to move forward. We made a decision about what was the direction I wanted to go, we wanted to go. John was a part this defense for a long time, and I think he’ll do a good job at it.”
Manusky, who kept up the Chargers’ 3-4 scheme, had been the defensive coordinator for the San Francisco 49ers from 2007 to ‘10 before taking the San Diego job. It probably didn’t help Manusky’s case that the 49ers dramatically improved their 3-4 production with Vic Fangio replacing him as defensive coordinator.
The 49ers were No. 13 in total defense, No. 24 in pass defense and No. 19 in third down defense in 2010. Under Fangio, those rankings went up to No. 4, No. 16 and No. 11 in 2011.”
Puke.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Greg Manusky Was interviewed for the D-Coordinators position and Kelly Skipper will be retained as running backs coach….. No word yet on how Manuskys’ interview went…..
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We already learned that from reputable sources.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Because you don’t date you wouldn’t know that women can have children at any stage of their career. Especially successful women. It’s called Nannys/day care/ live in’s.
Many prefer to start the family before diving into a career that might make it hard to take a break from later.
Sullivan44 Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Dakota, show me a woman today under 25 with a kid who’s in a good marriage, career situation with either her or her husband is set up, etc. This isn’t the 1920’s, Dakota. Most women today with any kind of goals in life wait till their late 20’s.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:14 pm
safe hire
Basically “I know this guy, thus, I’ll hire this guy.”
instead of “This is the BEST guy available to run an explosive, up-tempo offense. Doesn’t matter if we have no previous ties.”
January 31st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Unsuccessful retreads as assts isn’t making anyone feel all that optimistic.
It’s Al’s curse, coming back to haunt us.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:15 pm
However if he struggles and cant learn the playbook he is gone. he is miscast in knapps offense.
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You mean like JC struggled to learn Hue’s playbook?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
812.Albert Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderChaos Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Greg Manusky Was interviewed for the D-Coordinators position and Kelly Skipper will be retained as running backs coach….. No word yet on how Manuskys’ interview went…..
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We already learned that from reputable sources.
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Sure you did tard…..
January 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I recently asked my friends’ little girl what she wanted to be when
she grows up. She said she wanted to be President of the United
States. Both of her parents, liberal Democrats, were standing there.
So I asked her, “If you were President, what would be the first thing
you would do?” She replied, “I’d give food and houses to all the
homeless people…
Her parents proudly beamed. “Wo…w…what a worthy goal,” I told her.
“But you don’t have to wait until you’re President to do that. Tell
you what – you can come over to my house and mow the lawn, pull weeds,
and sweep my driveway, and I’ll pay you $50. Then I’ll take you over
to the grocery store where the homeless guy hangs out, and you can
give him the $50 to use toward food and a new house. How about doing
something wonderful like that?”
She thought that over for a few seconds, then she looked me straight
in the eye and asked, “Why doesn’t the homeless guy come over and do
the work, and you can just pay him the $50?”
I said, “Welcome to the Republican Party.”
January 31st, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I don’t pretend to know much about X’s and O’s, nor do I pretend to know much about Greg Knapp. Back in those dark and dismal days when we were stuck at 4 and 12, I didn’t pay attention to details.
I just read Greg Knapp’s stats and I see that in his first 2 yrs working at OC for SF had, as I intrepret it, Knapp had substantial success, at least as is recorded in the various measuring categories relating to “stats” of an OC.
However, Knapp, while working as OC in Oakland in 07 and 08, had very deleterious and negative stats, especially in comparison to his work in SF.
After Knapp’s stint in SF, and before his employment with the Raiders under Kiffen, Knapp’s stats seem to be respectable, yet less impressive than when he worked for SF. The same can be said regarding Knapp’s work after 07 and 08 with the Raiders.
If someone could please explain Knapp’s success or lack of it, I would be most appreciative. Of course, I will keep in mind that while working for “Lance” the Raiders were in a death spiral of unimaginable proportions, which may have skewered Knapp’s stats.
Also, if Knapp’s performance as OC in 07 and 08 was so insubstantial based on his personal performance, why is he the new OC?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Blog homies. May I propose the following nicknames for McKenzie and Allen:
Big Mac in All Black
General Allen
Any others?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Good question. More depth at RB and on the OL would help. Wouldn’t be surprised to see Mike Brisiel be a target to shore up either OG position.
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Derrick Ward? Seems kinda soft for a big back….
January 31st, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Well, looks like we are scraping the bottom of the barrel for coordinators and assistant coaches.
Reggie waited for his guy, but in doing so may have hamstrung his guy with poor help.
Bummer.
Hope they put these fools on one year contracts.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
our vegetarian coach allen hired his friend , it happens.. they golf together . we need a boring ball control offense right now anyway cus our defense is atrocious. maybe itll help the defesne stay fresh .
January 31st, 2012 at 3:19 pm
#819…TALENT
January 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Good Ole, like I said earlier, show me one woman under the age of 25 who has a kid and has her schit together.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
You guys are too funny today. Palmer is signed to a contract, OF COURSE THE GM AND COACH ARE GOING TO TALK TO HIM. From what i read it appeeared that they wanted to gauge carsons attitude since hujacks departure to see if he would be on board. This doent mean in any way that he wont be gone by the end of this year, especially if he struggles.
Of course carson is the starter going into the season, he is the only signed vet on the roster. Dont fool yourself into believing that there wont be competition brought in, or that he is a lock for 2013.
This is afull rebuild people, im not concerned with who plays qb in 2012 because i dont see a long term answer on the team. I am over joyed thought that carson went from golden boy to stop gap the minute big mack signed on.
Did you guys miss allen saying “the qb position needs to be addressed”? or big macks ‘i like my own players” when asked about carson.
CARSON IS A STOP GAP I DOUBT HE SURVIVES INTO 2013, NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE DOESNT FIT THE WCO, BUT HE NEEDS TO LEARN A NEW PLAYBOOK (WHICH WE SAW IS A STRUGGLE FOR HIM) AND HE WILL CONTINUE THROWING PICKS.
Sorry guys, enjoy it while you can his time is running out
January 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Speaking of needing to get laid, when’s MB finally going to?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Our defense gives up 80 yard drives to start the 3rd quarter or after our offense goes 70 yards for a score so I dont think simply keeping them fresh is the answer. We need a scheme and players to execute.
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doriangray Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:18 pm
our vegetarian coach allen hired his friend , it happens.. they golf together . we need a boring ball control offense right now anyway cus our defense is atrocious. maybe itll help the defesne stay fresh .
January 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
hey Sullivan44 , ill show u one – kyla pratt .. dont know her ? google her. shes under 25 . and succesful wit a baby.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Albert Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Raiders.com added coaches back to their website, LOL:
http://www.raiders.com/team/coaches.html
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all 1 of ‘em
January 31st, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Did you guys miss allen saying “the qb position needs to be addressed”? or big macks ‘i like my own players” when asked about carson.
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I missed this.
Where can I find the reference material?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/01/31/raiders-fan-meltdown-over-saundersknapp-when-rage-is-in-a-teams-dna/
January 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
ok dorian, other than a rich actor, can you show me anyone else?
January 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Must be schytty for guys like Mistic1 and Bo….they paint themselves in a corner and then actually root for two of our best players (McFadden and Palmer) to fail.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain,
I agree Mistic; I have been saying the same thing about CP for awhile now. Mainly, CP is past his prime and in no measure can avoid the rush, roll out, and lacks the ability to improvise and successfully morph something good from a busted play.
He just too old, with too little, too late. He’ll be here next season and will make some beautiful throws to Moore and Ford if conditions are perfect. But, he is no long term solution.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:28 pm
I am still waiting for an analysis of Greg Knapp. Please see my post #819.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Must be schytty for guys like Mistic1 and Bo….they paint themselves in a corner and then actually root for two of our best players (McFadden and Palmer) to fail.
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I’ll never understand this completely.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
WOW, Mistic really hates Palmer. Wonder if he will be rooting against the raiders next year? It sure sounds like he will.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Hardline Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain,
I agree Mistic; I have been saying the same thing about CP for awhile now. Mainly, CP is past his prime and in no measure can avoid the rush, roll out, and lacks the ability to improvise and successfully morph something good from a busted play.
He just too old, with too little, too late. He’ll be here next season and will make some beautiful throws to Moore and Ford if conditions are perfect. But, he is no long term solution.
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I’ll take 3 years from Palmer.
A long term solution implies a 10 yr starter.
Pryor is the only one on the current roster that fits that description.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:33 pm
realtruraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:29 pm
WOW, Mistic really hates Palmer. Wonder if he will be rooting against the raiders next year? It sure sounds like he will.
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no i dont hate palmer, i dont think he is very good. he turns the ball over like 90 going north ( that means a lot). Im glad when any turn over prone raider qb is put on notice.
Rooting for my team to field the best players, is rooting for my team
January 31st, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Dakota Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Must be schytty for guys like Mistic1 and Bo….they paint themselves in a corner and then actually root for two of our best players (McFadden and Palmer) to fail.
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palmer fans are the new gradkowski fans, and they are spinning themselves into a frenzy.
I have never rooted for a player to fail, but make no mistake missing the playoffs, and throwing 16 picks in 9 games, 3 games with atleast three picks , one game with four picks, and two picks returned for touchdowns IS INDEED UNDENIABLE MISERABLE FAILURE!
Thank god big mack knows this
January 31st, 2012 at 3:38 pm
If you hire Allen, you are hiring his choices for the staff, too. That’s the way it works for normal teams.
But this is where the Raiders fan meltdown comes from: They are not used to normal, haven’t experienced it… ever… and have been encouraged to have their rage ready to go, at the first sign of non-Raider-like activity.
AD would have forced Saunders on his new coach, period. That’s the way Al did things. No HC candidate with options would’ve ever accepted that–Dennis Allen wouldn’t have accepted that.
I don’t know if Allen is going to be any good; I do know he has to be given the chance to work under normal NFL coach conditions.
And I know that the Raiders would’ve had to settle for a lesser HC candidate if they forced the HC to keep Saunders. They would not have gotten Allen under those circumstances.
They’re bad circumstances.
That’s how they got Norv Turner, Lane Kiffin, Art Shell Part 2, Tom Cable and Hue Jackson, by the way.
That’s how they had a split locker room and zero accountability. It worked when Al was at the top of his game, but that wasn’t the case lately.
And it’s not the way the Raiders are doing things now. Raiders fans have to get used to this, or they will be screaming a lot.
http://blogs.mercurynews.com/kawakami/2012/01/31/raiders-fan-meltdown-over-saundersknapp-when-rage-is-in-a-teams-dna/
January 31st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Fk Kawakami, Fking idiot
January 31st, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Does he think Raider fans are the only fans that btch about this stuff? Herrera needs to kick his @ss.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Realtruraider Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Fk Kawakami, Fking idiot
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Knee-jerk, typical reaction.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
For perspective……
Of Palmers 16 int’s 37% (6) came in the 1st 2 games after getting up off the couch.
Another 25% (4)came in the Green Bay beating.
I’m confident next season will show that Palmer can take care of the ball, and make quality throws in tight windows.
He’ll also be able to quickly change a call at the LOS, and provide the up tempo style that Allen is talking about.
Defense has to do it’s part, and Palmer will do his.
Reggie knows this.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Are you guys melting down? Ya’ll seem to me to be the regular mostly lunatics, some comedians and a few actual reasonable heads to me…
January 31st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Melt-downs in this place is like ice cubes and polar bears at the North Pole…
January 31st, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Peter King article on coach Allen.
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Offensively, “I don’t believe in throwing the ball 50 to 60 times a game, but I believe in an up-tempo offense that’s explosive in the passing game.”
Allen committed to Carson Palmer as his starting quarterback, and said he’d take advantage of Palmer’s ability to throw the deep ball with the weapons the Raiders have at receiver. But if the Raiders aren’t healthier, and smarter, than last year, those weapons won’t mean anything.
One of Allen’s first jobs will be to get to the bottom of why their skill players have been so injury-prone. Darren McFadden’s career is in danger of being a washout. He’s missed 12 games with injuries in the past two years, and he’s never made it through a season healthy in four years. Same thing with the wideouts. With prior deals robbing the Raiders of so many draft picks, it’s essential the players they do have can stay on the field.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:56 pm
KK, are you a raiders fan? Do you like the idea of Knapp coming back? C’MON MAN, I see fans of other teams btch about who there coach brings in as OC and DC all the time. He’s talking down to us Raider fans like were stupid.
January 31st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Until our D forces the other team to punt in a division-on-the-line/game to make the playoffs, a QB who throws for 350 yrds without issue is NOT my concern…
January 31st, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Truraider, two things:
KK talks down to EVERYONE he is a mental case. It’s his…thing.
And you’re right Kawakami is an idiot.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
What I am OUTRAGED about is John Fassel not being signed back up!!! This is UNACCEPTABLE! Wtf!!
January 31st, 2012 at 4:00 pm
[...] Source: http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/01/31/nfl-network-knapp-a-done-deal/ [...]
January 31st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Should we take a look at desean jackson? Cal guy and is considered a DIVA becauae he is not getting paid in philly. I would feel the same way if you flush 100 million dollars to a ex-con and dont look my way first after what he did for philly. But he would be a good deep threat for palmer. Having DHB Ford Moore and Jackson our Wr sets will be scary.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
JLofty Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Until our D forces the other team to punt in a division-on-the-line/game to make the playoffs, a QB who throws for 350 yrds without issue is NOT my concern…
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No kidding.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:03 pm
In the last 5 years, Palmer has 89 TD’s & 73 int’s.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:03 pm
kawakami is only partially right. Most fans melting down over saunders arent upset because of how or why the decision was made, nor is it about continuity vs. rebuilding. The simple answer is that most fans know that palmers best chance of sticking beyond the 2012 season goes hand in hand with suanders being the oc.
Face it fans palmer has gone from golden ticket, to stop gap, to miscast.
This is a bitter pill for palmer fans to swallow
January 31st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Should we take a look at desean jackson? Cal guy and is considered a DIVA becauae he is not getting paid in philly. I would feel the same way if you flush 100 million dollars to a ex-con and dont look my way first after what he did for philly. But he would be a good deep threat for palmer. Having DHB Ford Moore and Jackson our Wr sets will be scary.
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I’d prefer we spend FA $$$ on impact defensive players, and an upgrade to the O line.
If D Jackson ends up in a Raider uni, I’m cool with that too.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:04 pm
New post.
January 31st, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Also like the idea of Donatell(sp?) from the 49ers as DC. Seems like it would be a solid pick up. And the way he had the 49ers secondary playing was good. Image what he can do to ours. And he should bring gholston with him
January 31st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
RaiderLen Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:53 pm
For perspective……
Of Palmers 16 int’s 37% (6) came in the 1st 2 games after getting up off the couch.
Another 25% (4)came in the Green Bay beating.
I’m confident next season will show that Palmer can take care of the ball,
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No one in the building at raiders head quarters cares about these excuses.
If this is what you do to get to sleep at night have at it, but it doesnt fly in oakland.
By the way you being confident in palmer taking care of the ball mean squat, he never has been a game manager, and that is what knapps offense will need
January 31st, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
January 31st, 2012 at 3:20 pm
You guys are too funny today. Palmer is signed to a contract, OF COURSE THE GM AND COACH ARE GOING TO TALK TO HIM. From what i read it appeeared that they wanted to gauge carsons attitude since hujacks departure to see if he would be on board. This doent mean in any way that he wont be gone by the end of this year, especially if he struggles.
Of course carson is the starter going into the season, he is the only signed vet on the roster. Dont fool yourself into believing that there wont be competition brought in, or that he is a lock for 2013.
This is afull rebuild people, im not concerned with who plays qb in 2012 because i dont see a long term answer on the team. I am over joyed thought that carson went from golden boy to stop gap the minute big mack signed on.
Did you guys miss allen saying “the qb position needs to be addressed”? or big macks ‘i like my own players” when asked about carson.
CARSON IS A STOP GAP I DOUBT HE SURVIVES INTO 2013, NOT ONLY BECAUSE HE DOESNT FIT THE WCO, BUT HE NEEDS TO LEARN A NEW PLAYBOOK (WHICH WE SAW IS A STRUGGLE FOR HIM) AND HE WILL CONTINUE THROWING PICKS.
Sorry guys, enjoy it while you can his time is running out
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Sour grapes from a BroMance with JCampbell that didn’t fly. Get over it Mystic. Your saga has already gotten old and many of us are tired of it. If you don’t like CP, that’s your right. But please don’t come in here and try to blow smoke up our a$$ about how bad CP is. I too happened to like Soup. I think he’s a good person and decent QB. But, he’s not CP level of ability nor will he ever be. Peole like you come in here trying to beat down CP for INT’s. There are 3 people involved in and possibly responsible for an INT. In CP’s case here, the vast majority on INT’s while at Oak were not his responsibility. CP will make passes that Soup would not even try. Therein lies the difference.
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