Los Angeles suddenly long-shot option for Raiders
By Steve Corkran
Friday, February 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Raiders owner Mark Davis said Jan. 10 that he already has received offers from investors who want to build stadiums in the Los Angeles area about the prospect of the Raiders relocating to the part of the state they left after the 1994 season.
Davis declined to go into specifics. However, he made it abundantly clear that Los Angeles remains a viable option as long as the Raiders don’t have a better option than the Oakland Coliseum in its current state.
“Los Angeles is a possibility,” Davis said. “Wherever’s a possibility. We need a stadium.”
NFL commissioner Roger Goodell splahsed a tub of cold water on the Raiders, or any other NFL team, moving to Los Angeles by saying, “We want to keep our teams where they are.”
Further, Goodell said if the NFL returns to Los Angeles at some point, it likely would be with one or two expansion teams.
The Raiders lease extension with the Coliseum expires after the 2013 season. At this point, their options are: sign an extension or find a way to get a new stadium built.
The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.
Not that that matters anyway. The 49ers and Raiders want their own stadiums. Until now, Los Angeles seemed like the Raiders’ best option.
“There’s offers on the table, but I wouldn’t talk about them,” Davis said of Los Angeles. “If there was an offer that we liked, we would’ve taken it. Let me put it that way. And there’s not.”
The clock is ticking.
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February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
#1
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Like I said, looks like we’re the Santa Clara Raiders now…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No I like JC, just not as my starting QB, or really having to watch him play. He’d be my number one choice as a backup though. Good guy.
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you want him backing up a guy that he out performed?
he should never back up palmer, he is a better player, and recent history bears witness to this fact. believe me his agent knows this.
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Well, Knapp-as you say-was a Kiffin hire.
So when exactly was he offered head coach?
And why would he turn it down and then work under Cable who became the head coach after Kiffin?
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He was offered HC mid-season when Kiffin was canned. He stayed the rest of the season because unemployed assistants are rarely hired mid-year, and a man’s gotta eat.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
F’ing stupider than he-ll to gut the team aqnd fully rebuild one game out of the Divsional Championship and the play offs when you’re looking for a half a billion dollar investment in your team UNLESS…
Unless Marky Mark is looking to cut costs everywhere and make the team look more profitable? Or do they just not really know what they’re doing?
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I don’t see how Goodell stating his PREFERENCE (and that’s all it is) for an expansion team would stop Mark from moving, if he wanted.
It’s more likely this is Goodell blowing smoke so when a team DOES move, he can publicly proclaim that he was against it, but can’t stop them.
And nobody wants expansion teams. The league is already too diluted as it is.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:10 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
260. “We have seen a major drop off at the QB spot since (JCs) departure.”
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Because our O lost all its speed weapons and had to be retooled for Palmer mid season?
Come on man…
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read the post again, i said drop off at the qb position. again to be fair look at their last 19 starts and tell me what you see that says palmer is a better player
jc 12-7 12 ints
palmer 6-13 30 ints 8 returned for tds
ill wait for you to digest this and cook up another excuse
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Someone reported this in the comments last night. Let’s just accept that the Raiders will be playing in their baseball dump with the 32in replay screen for good few years more.
But I’ll be at that dump for the AFC title game next year!
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:12 pm
When Marks father sold out to L.A. he promised them a Super Bowl and he delivered.
Mark has a team barely pulling out of a death spiral after nearly a decade and instea of that promise he goes into over haul mode.
Is that a selling point?
Maybe.
It is the Raiders and maybe no one would WANT a team run like Al’s but here the thing, NO ONE COULD. Al is gone so something had to be done.
I just think fans assumed we’d stay the course for at least a year and try to win with Al’s team which by the way was a pretty solid one. Injuries killed and our D under performed but it looked like we were building on something good for the first time since Gannon.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:15 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
259.RaiderDuck Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Knapp was offered the HC job? Was that when we were ditching the ZBS or b4? Was it to replace Kiffin or Cable? I can’t recall
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It’s when Al was ditching Kiffin. He interviewed Hackett, Knapp and Cable, and offered the job to Knapp, who turned him down. Knapp was on Al’s s**tlist thereafter and left at the end of the year, with Ted Tollner as his kind-of-but-not-really replacement.
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Come on man!
Are we talking about the same Al Davis?
Think about it: Al offers him HC and he says no thanks, I’ll just keep my old job?
And Al says: Sure sweetie.
Al interviewed many people–always.
That doesn’t mean that an HC job was offered to Knapp.
Maybe someone on here said so but that doesn’t make it reality.
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Of course he let Knapp keep his job for the rest of the year. If he’d fired Knapp outright, he’d still have to pay him. So he let Knapp stay on, but just emasculated him instead.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
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I don’t know about Hue screwing him; I think Hue knew that Boller wasn’t the answer and went out and got the best QB he could find to replace JC. I have to believe that he did that because he wanted to win. It’s not like he cut the man the minute Al passed.
That said, I am with you in thanking JC for what he did do, and that’s bring some semblance of competence back to the QB position in Oakland. He conducted himself with class and dignity, and always gave his best effort. For that, all Raider fans should be grateful.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Raiders ain’t goin nowhere…
http://kaplanforoakland.org/2011/12/coliseum-city-unveiled/
LA suckas…get your own team. Raiders belong in Oakland, now and forever.
Suckas…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
7. Dont have to cook up sh*t. You sound like one of those guys who doesn’t watch all the games but pours over stats like they mean something. There are tangibles you’re not getting from data alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvAfGiBnRY
Watch that throw to Reece alone.
Palmer can make ALL the throws, wheels, quick slants, 9 route ALL the throws.
Did he make bad throws? Yes he did. Was JC more conservative?
Yes he was.
Did he have Darren McFadden leading the League in rushing and explosive plays?
Yes he did.
Was Carson hand cuffed? Yes he was.
Hes a real QB. I understand its been awhile since we’ve seen one in Oakland.
So long some people can’t even recognize one.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Goodell is not gonna want to have the Raiders move to LA and be on record as being against it.
That would make him look like an impotent Commissioner.
Why would he want that?
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:26 pm
It’s all just noise on everyone’s part right now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RaiderDuck,
Not sure where your getting your info at but the reality of it is Knapp loss his playcalling the day he only had 74 yards of total offense, its that simple, the following week Cable took over.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:27 pm
So no real news.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
I don’t see how Goodell stating his PREFERENCE (and that’s all it is) for an expansion team would stop Mark from moving, if he wanted.
It’s more likely this is Goodell blowing smoke so when a team DOES move, he can publicly proclaim that he was against it, but can’t stop them.
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Absolutely right. There is a legal precedent. The NFL couldn’t stop Al before, and they can’t stop Mark now.
If the team does and up in the shared stadium with the 49ers (and Ray Ratto makes a compelling argument why they won’t), no reason to think they won’t still be called the Oakland Raiders. The Giants and the Jets play in New Jersey (a different STATE), and they are still known as New York teams.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:28 pm
13. Cheezuz…watching highlights of our O from last year and gut sick we’re retooling that to a Greg Knapp conservative running game.
Sure hope it works out…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You idiots are so worried about l.a that when they become the London Raiders your heads Will be spinning
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
L.A is NOT!!! going to go from ZERO teams to TWO expansion teams. New stadium calls for 2 teams to share in order to make it financially feasible. Raiders are still going to L.A!! New expansion team will be an NFC team.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I guess that guy Cruz post about the l.a times voting ” no” worked..lol I bet he believes that .
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
12. Sorry to burst your bubble but Mayor Quan’s scheme to sell citizenship to Chinese billioaires for stadium contributions is a “looky over here” manuever for her poor job as Mayor.
The Feds are going to take over the Oakland PD in a week if some things don’t change with a quickness.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:34 pm
276.ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
273.Raiderjambo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
272. Never! Sorry England, there is only “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS”.
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I hear that.
The Raiders belong there, the ghosts of many greats will walk there..it’s a perfect location…
but Oakland is never-write it down-never going to re-build that stadium for the Raiders.
It’s a dumb stadium built in the sixties when some morons got together and said, hey let’s build a stadium for a football AND a baseball team.
The whiners are going to build a real stadium in the south bay and are willing to share it with the Raiders.
How long before we OWN it?
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Man, I just posted this and Steve writes a new one listing LA.
If you live in the Bay Area, you’re better off hoping for the San Jose option.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Of course he let Knapp keep his job for the rest of the year. If he’d fired Knapp outright, he’d still have to pay him. So he let Knapp stay on, but just emasculated him instead.
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Jeeeeeeeeeeze Duck!
So we just got an emasculated OC?
Man!
I hope he remembers where he left his balls.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:39 pm
HaHa… You think Mark gives a sh!t about the NFL commissioner?
The Raiders already proved in court they can go where they want.
The league can’t do sh!t about it.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Atleast this story might stop that fk’n spammer
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:41 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Of course he let Knapp keep his job for the rest of the year. If he’d fired Knapp outright, he’d still have to pay him. So he let Knapp stay on, but just emasculated him instead.
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Jeeeeeeeeeeze Duck!
So we just got an emasculated OC?
Man!
I hope he remembers where he left his balls.
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I don’t think he was permanently emasculated.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:45 pm
That 200 mil the 9ers got meant the raiders are going to Santa cClara as much as it means the niners are going.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:46 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:30 pm
You idiots are so worried about l.a that when they become the London Raiders your heads Will be spinning
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hahahahahahahaha…Not that it wil ever happen however, London is a bomb azz city…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Might have beens. 2011 highlights note not many from the D…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zuAXLpwaGwo&feature=related
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No I like JC, just not as my starting QB, or really having to watch him play. He’d be my number one choice as a backup though. Good guy.
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you want him backing up a guy that he out performed?
he should never back up palmer, he is a better player, and recent history bears witness to this fact. believe me his agent knows this.
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
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Sorry Mystic, your Bromance with JCampbell is not meant to be. He’s already engaged and besides, I don’t believe he’s gay. We all realize you are his #1 fan. We get it and we’ve all recognized that he’s “Your Guy”. You really need to move on before your heart gets broken again.
Jason is a great guy & good community citizen. He’ds a decent QB too. He’s not elite and not likely to become elite. From a S&B standpoint he was a positive influence on the team and made good contributions including leadership. That was the 2011 season and that season is over. He doesn’t figure to be in the 2012 S&B picture unless it is as a BU-QB. Personally, I think he’d be exceptionally smart and would be appreciated if he did accept the BU-Q. He could retain that position for at least 5-6 years making $2.5 – $3M per year. That’s not a bad deal at all and he wouldn’t be getting all banged up.
Bottom line, time for the JC & CP comparisons and shoulda, woulda, coulda arguments to cease. Please move on. You have some very good insight to share. It’s just that the JC thing is beyond OLD NEWS.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:55 pm
Might be the San Antonio Raiders
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
I didn’t like Cable getting canned. I thought it was horrible what Al did to him. Could’ve just said “were moving on” but to throw in all the personal stuff? I got over the Cable firing, then, I convinced myself to believe in Hue. I was upset when he got canned cuz I thought he deserved another year with his own DC etc.
Now, after taking a step back and reviewing more of what went wrong, and the situation and time we are in, i see the need for a “new attitude” and way of doing things.
I dislike almost EVERYTHING i’ve seen and heard since the intro presser with Allen.
This revamping of the offense with Knapp makes NO SENSE if it goes down like that.
Talk of getting rid of Palmer and DMAC and changing schemes makes me sick.
The whole Raider thing is just becoming foreign to me. It’s not the same. Al might’ve been messed up and brought the org. down since 2002 but it was heading in the right direction finally and now… all this?
C’mon. Greg freaking Knapp? Blowing up the offense? Getting rid of Palmer and DMAC for unknown…”whatevers”?
I’m supposed to be excited about all this?
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
You guys talk like we’re contenders and were soon close!
We haven’t been to the playoffs for 9 years.
We had the worse Defense in Raiders History!
We broke the penalty record held by the Chefs!
Lots of change is needed and more is coming!!
Thanks Goodness!
The “Raider” way has been:
No winning seasons since 2002
New coach every year
7, 11 loss seasons in 9 years
Crappy Defenses.
New Era, Embrace it!
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Talk of getting rid of Palmer and DMAC and changing schemes makes me sick.
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Where did you hear this? Link please.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:07 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:03 pm
You guys talk like we’re contenders and were soon close!
We haven’t been to the playoffs for 9 years.
We had the worse Defense in Raiders History!
We broke the penalty record held by the Chefs!
Lots of change is needed and more is coming!!
Thanks Goodness!
The “Raider” way has been:
No winning seasons since 2002
New coach every year
7, 11 loss seasons in 9 years
Crappy Defenses.
New Era, Embrace it!
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Exactly. It’s a sign of how far our expectations have fallen that people were actually celebrating going 8-8 two seasons in a row. CELEBRATING it, mind you.
Where Reggie comes from, 8-8 two seasons in a row gets you fired. His way is better.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:09 pm
wasbanned Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Talk of getting rid of Palmer and DMAC and changing schemes makes me sick.
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Where did you hear this? Link please.
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http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders
In other words, he’s reading something in the comments section and taking it as truth.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:10 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
7. Dont have to cook up sh*t. You sound like one of those guys who doesn’t watch all the games but pours over stats like they mean something. There are tangibles you’re not getting from data alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvAfGiBnRY
Watch that throw to Reece alone.
Palmer can make ALL the throws, wheels, quick slants, 9 route ALL the throws.
Did he make bad throws? Yes he did. Was JC more conservative?
Yes he was.
Did he have Darren McFadden leading the League in rushing and explosive plays?
Yes he did.
Was Carson hand cuffed? Yes he was.
Hes a real QB. I understand its been awhile since we’ve seen one in Oakland.
So long some people can’t even recognize one.
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100% correct! Palmer IS our franchise QB for the next 4-5 years as long as the new leadership doesn’t totally screw things up on the offensive side on the ball. He the best since Gannon and possibly much better than Gannon as soon as he gets familiar with his WR’s & we get DMac back. JCampbell was also the best we’ve had since Gannon and contributed excellent skill & leadership to the 2011 team. Between the 2, I’d take Palmer. He can be elite.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:15 pm
LA’s an overpopulated schit hole. The people who designed that city are burning in hell as we speak.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
All LA had was Hollywood, and even Hollywood sucks now. Gentrification priced out all of the starving actors, writers, film makers and singers with actual talent. Now they just recruit from t.v. talent shows. LA sucks. Notice the only people you see anymore saying they like LA are a little bit retarded?
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
The debate between Palmer & Campbell is so funny.
Here you go…
If you gave every team in the NFL the choice between these 2 guys to be their starting QB how many coaches, GMs, WRs, would choose Palmer over Campbell?
31 out of 32.
The only one who wouldn’t is the Bengals because the owner is a douche.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
#42 How True! Well stated.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Palmer our franchise for the next 5 years. Huge LOL.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
All of the talent that lived in and around LA up until the 90’s saw Hollywood going to schit, got tech degrees, and moved up to the yay. That’s why the bay’s been the place to be in Cali for a decade now. And that’s why the Raiders are staying up here.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:25 pm
RIP Ben Gazarra
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:28 pm
F@*k L.A.
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:42 pm
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
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If Jc knew how to slide he’d still be here!
GET OVER IT!
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:44 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:21 pm
All of the talent that lived in and around LA up until the 90’s saw Hollywood going to schit, got tech degrees, and moved up to the yay. That’s why the bay’s been the place to be in Cali for a decade now. And that’s why the Raiders are staying up here.
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Word!
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:51 pm
I thought Al Davis slapped the NFL in the face a long time ago when he filed suit and WON about where he wanted his team to play. Goodell needs to pull his head back in his shell and shut up……………..
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:55 pm
Theres a new sheriff in town and seymour will be the first gone…his antics better get in line or get shipped out
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Discipline will be #1 in this new era of RAIDERS football
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Hugh Jack city doesnt have any offers for anything and that has to speak volumes…if anyone is paying attention
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:17 pm
wasbanned Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:17 pm
The debate between Palmer & Campbell is so funny.
Here you go…
If you gave every team in the NFL the choice between these 2 guys to be their starting QB how many coaches, GMs, WRs, would choose Palmer over Campbell?
31 out of 32.
The only one who wouldn’t is the Bengals because the owner is a douche.
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That sums it up right there with the proof being that it took a 4th round pick two years out to get Campbell from the ‘Skins. But it took potentially two 1st rounders to get Palmer.
Can’t just look at the record alone. I realize people love to fall into that. But two halves of a season is a small sample that could swing on various other factors. You have to watch the games and know what good quarterback play is. The reality is that Palmer made more bigtime throws in individual games than Campbell made in a season and a half and possibly his entire NFL career.
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:31 pm
What I find interesting regarding the NFL giving the Niners SC stadium a $200 million loan:
From Corkran: “The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.”
Soooo….the Niners received 200 mill a stadium they would be the ONLY tenants?
So, does that mean the Raiders will also receive a $200 mill loan from the NFL IF they are approved for financing for a new stadium on Oakland?
Seems that would be fair to me, wouldn’t it?
Unless the provision for that $200 million loan from the NFL to the SC stadium says that the Raiders need to be co-tenants of the SC stadium, why would the NFL provide special treatment for the Niners and their stadium plan?
However, we know Goodell and the NFL wants the Bay Area teams to share a stadium.
The city of Oakland needs to seriously get to work on planning and financing their Coliseum City idea to keep the Raiders and Warriors from bailing out and they need to get work on it pronto!
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:32 pm
The people that dont think palmer could be great again must be the same people that want to trade d mac
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Cant wait to see RunDMC play with CP3 next year. That just sounds explosive
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
“The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.
Not that that matters anyway. The 49ers and Raiders want their own stadiums. Until now, Los Angeles seemed like the Raiders’ best option.”
The Jets and Giants are co-tenants. They are in the no. 1 television market. The Raiders and Niners would be co-tenants in the no. 6th television market . L.A. is no. 2 , so THEY WANT TO ADD ADDITIONAL REVENUE, not take away from joint revenue of two fan bases sharing the same state-of-the-art facility.
The economy isn’t the same as it was then. L.A. would get an expansion team, and quite frankly London would get one before them, unless they get a group together.
Davis would need league approval, and no way would the league take another beating in the courts, and Mark wouldn’t have the moxie to go toe-to-toe with the league on it. The NFL basically gave Santa Clara 200 million to get it done, and the Raiders will have to swallow their pride and bid on a co-tenancy when their lease expires. Roski is essentially building another giant strip mall or convention center.
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:34 pm
“Unless the provision for that $200 million loan from the NFL to the SC stadium says that the Raiders need to be co-tenants of the SC stadium, why would the NFL provide special treatment for the Niners and their stadium plan?
However, we know Goodell and the NFL wants the Bay Area teams to share a stadium.
The city of Oakland needs to seriously get to work on planning and financing their Coliseum City idea to keep the Raiders and Warriors from bailing out and they need to get work on it pronto!”
EXACTLY.
February 3rd, 2012 at 7:55 pm
JC will be lucky to start for a team next year. Cant make all throwa AND THE WAY HE RUNS AND DOESNT SLIDE GETS HIS COLOR BONE BROKEN!
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Raiders are going to build a stadium at the school the Principal was filmed at. Belushi, Victor Duncan and schit.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:06 pm
The stadium money does not have a declared Raiders share clause nor is it specifically earmarked for SC.
Christ the “New York” Giants and the “New York” Jets don’t even play in “New York” they play in New Jersey.
Build a shared facility in Oaktown next to the current O.co, it is the best location with BART access, freeway access and is not in Santa Clara.
The closest BART to the Stick is over 3 miles away. The SC plan is not an option worth exploring.
Have a great Superbowl weekend Raider Nation…we’ll be back there sooner than you may think.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Raiders will build stadium in Oakland. Fans will show. Economy will rebound. Haters will b mad.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Raiders will build stadium in Oakland. Fans will show. Economy will rebound. Haters will b mad.
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Coliseum City is the key. Hopefully Governor, and former Mayor Jerry Brown can get some players together and get momentum.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:13 pm
You know, if Peyton Manning and Bob Irsay had any class whatsoever they would not speak to the media about their thing until the Super Bowl is over.
Give the spotlight to the teams that earned the right to be in Indianapolis, not your little mind games played with one another through the media.
Bad form.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Best News all week! Go Raiders!
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Thats what pete rozelle said before….dont underestimate mark davis…
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:22 pm
All us bay area folks band together and let management know that the Raiders must remain in Oakland! Keep the Raiders the only place they’ve ever belonged which is Oakland, or at least the bay area, but never LA!
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:23 pm
It’s all bout LA, sully,
I hope u aient bragging about Oakland,
That city is a mess
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:25 pm
@45
The bay the place to be lol.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Yeah. Nobody looks down on the New York teams for sharing a stadium.
I can’t remember the last time I even heard it mentioned in any kind of critical manner and yet that’s the # 1 financial market in the world.
It would be kind of weird though to share with the niners especially after the “incidents” that made the news in the preseason game.
Heck, the league won’t even allow the teams to play each other in the preseason anymore.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:33 pm
But as co-tenants of a shared stadium the whiners and raiders wouldn’t be obligated to play one another and whiner and Raiders fans wouldn’t even interact so I don’t see the recent problems among fans to even be an issue
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No I like JC, just not as my starting QB, or really having to watch him play. He’d be my number one choice as a backup though. Good guy.
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you want him backing up a guy that he out performed?
he should never back up palmer, he is a better player, and recent history bears witness to this fact. believe me his agent knows this.
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
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Effin’ A dude. Give it up already. We understand the white man is the devil but quite spouting this BS. I’m sick of it. We all are. You’re a friggin troll at this point. Nothing more. Come in here with your bigoted racist agendas, spouting your lies, talking out of both sides of your mouth. It’s sad. Pathetic even. Go get a life. Stop with this JC agenda.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Palmer way better then Jc and it aient close, Mystic is retardit
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Da Trinity, Los Angeles is about half way through a slow death. Nothing’s coming to LA. Everything is leaving. The Lakers will be out of LA in a decade. LA’s overpopulated, poorly designed. Everyone living in LA is either delusional, or stuck.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:44 pm
What’s the deal with Blackouts? What exactly are the rules? Does 100% of tickets must be sold or is there some other magic formula? The O.co seats about 64,000 if my memory serves me correctly. We had 8 sellouts this year but that was primarily due to a lot of 2 for 1 giveaways. Doubt that will continue forever. If we move to a new shared 100,000 seat stadium, I would dare say there would never be televised games again. Even if the formula were 90% of capacity = sellout, the likelihood of regular sellouts is NIL. There are good reasons to stay in a smaller facility. Blackouts are one big reason. And, how many of you out there think ticket costs will stay the same at a new BIG modern facility? The answer is NOT! My season tickets now run $3000/yr + parking – another $350. I’m NOT prepared to pay more. I’d honestly prefer they move to LA and then IO can watch them on the NFL ticket, none of which will be blacked out, for $350 a year. That scenario will give me a $3000 raise.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:50 pm
People who live in LA have to force themselves to like it, pretend it’s still what it once was. They’re living a lie. There’s nothing sadder than someone from LA trying to tell you how great LA is. They know it sucks. Hollywood has been dead for some time. In a decade they’ll start converting studio lots to storage sheds. Everyone behind the scenes in LA with an ounce of talent or vision got tech degrees in the ’90s, and bolted right up to the bay area. You know it, Trinity. The writing is all around you. You’re just in denial. Now go listen to Randy Newman and cruise the miracle mile. It’s probably raining. lol.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
36.wasbanned Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:04 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Talk of getting rid of Palmer and DMAC and changing schemes makes me sick.
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Where did you hear this? Link please.
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It’s just all the speculation about that happening and my own fears.
It makes no sense to ME to trade DMAC or Palmer but I have no idea what to expect from the new regime.
This Greg Knapp hire is something that I just don’t “get”.
I have nothing personal against the guy, it’s just that I can’t figure out what Reggie and Allen are thinking with this, which makes me wonder what other “weird” things are they willing to do, such as jettison Palmer and DMAC, or other “weird” stuff.
I realize i’m being a bit panicky, but I just don’t have any read on what’s happening with this org. right now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:54 pm
Lockouts could be outlawed. Congress is about to tell NFL that as long as they get public money, they can’t deprive the tax payers of viewing their product. Suck it, NFL.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Hollywoods gay.
Everyone seems to think thats all LA offers,
Lakers are going nowhere,
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:56 pm
You guys are clueless. JC or as some of call him “Captain checkdown” is way better suited for the WCO. Also JC loves to dink and dunk. That’s were he excels. I remember some of complaining about how he was doing that too much in hue’s offense. Now his skill set fits the scheme. In the West Coast Offense, the reads go from short-to-long. In the Coryell System, the first is long and the check-down is the least optimal outcome.
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:58 pm
@ 76
thats true, if the raiders come down to LA and the game doesnt sell out we cant watch it. They did that Alot to the chargers here in LA, for some reason they get priority here. Sucks. Thats why i got the Sunday ticket
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:00 pm
80.da trinity Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 8:55 pm
Hollywoods gay.
Everyone seems to think thats all LA offers,
Lakers are going nowhere,
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Careful man.
Guys are getting banned for less.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Palmer or Jason,sorry,like Jason but he is NOT in Palmers League,period,IMO
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:03 pm
#82
The NFL Ticket honors the blackout rule now. If you are within 200 miles of a city whose home team is not a sellout, that game is not covered on the NFL ticket. Actually it’s worse than that. NFL Ticket won’t show a game on the ticket to a given service area when the the local TV affiliate is televising the game. If it is blacked out, neither show it in a 200 mile radius.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
@83
is that why its dead on here,
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:05 pm
@85
Dang so people in oaktown cant see the game unless the go to the game.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:06 pm
HA Hah ha!!! Trinity, what does LA offer other than Hollywood? Beaches? Seriously, dude, they’re everywhere. HEard of San Diego? Restaurants? Give me a break. Fat Burger and King Taco, huh? Dodgers? They SUCK year after year. Seriously, go ahead and humor us with what offers other than Hollywood. LA is dead. You angelinos are just in denial.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Hendu Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Palmer or Jason,sorry,like Jason but he is NOT in Palmers League,period,IMO
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If Raiders are running the WCO then JC > Palmer
Palmer’s biggest asset is his bag arm and deep ball, not his quick decision making. He’s much better fit to have a 5 step drop and throw a 15 yard out than a 3 stop drop and a quick curl or in.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Disneyland’s in OC. Most people that go to Disneyland don’t even go into LA. Why ruin the trip?
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
86.da trinity Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:04 pm
@83
is that why its dead on here,
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Yeah, a few have just changed their names and figured out how to get back on though.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Blackouts are going to end. Congress is finally about to do what they should have done long ago, and tell the NFL that as long as they take public funds, tax payers can watch games, no matter they’re sold out
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Trinity, you on some travel site looking for LA attractions outside of Hollywood? What? Biking? So a mountain lion can maul you? Lol. Come one. Waiting.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:13 pm
#87
That’s been the case up until this last year with all the artificial sellouts. At the preseason games this year there were barely 10,000 butts in the seats. The place & parking lot looked empty. Without the ticket subsidizations that were provided this year, I doubt there would have been 1 legitimate sellout. Moving to a bigger stadium will assure no sellouts even with a subsidy. Can you spell B-L-A-C-K-O-U-T? Get used to it.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
89,spin,spin,spin,CP walks up,looks at the D,calls another play,hurry up O,better than most,including JC
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Sully IMO that would all bit ruin any chance for a sellout
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:14 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Disneyland’s in OC. Most people that go to Disneyland don’t even go into LA. Why ruin the trip?
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Three years ago, we were staying at the Residence Inn a couple miles away from Disneyland, and went to the Universal Studios theme park for the day. On the way back, we took a wrong exit and ended up, after dark, in a neighborhood that looked straight out of “Boyz in the Hood,” or maybe the Ganton area of “Grand Theft Auto: San Andreas.” Fun times.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Duck, you think the Cosby Show looks like Boyz N The Hood. It’s not about race. It’s about LA sucking ballz.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:17 pm
They have to black games out in order to fill seats. Congress will NEVER lift the blackout rule. Besides it’s better going to games anyway. You should try it sometime
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Blackout rule is history. It’s been in the news this week. I’m not making this up. And it’s long overdue. NFL teams taking public funds, then telling tax payers they can’t watch games on t.v. if not sold out. lol. what a joke. Those days are over.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:16 pm
Duck, you think the Cosby Show looks like Boyz N The Hood. It’s not about race. It’s about LA sucking ballz.
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No, the Cosby show looks like Brooklyn. This neighborhood looked like “Boyz in the Hood:” same houses with the bars over the windows, same cheap-looking neighborhood markets, same EVERYTHING.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:19 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:10 pm
Blackouts are going to end. Congress is finally about to do what they should have done long ago, and tell the NFL that as long as they take public funds, tax payers can watch games, no matter they’re sold out
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Congress can’t even agree what time to take a lunch break. Making or changing a law is now almost beyond Congresses ability. Too many political sacred cows will get gored. Those fools can’t even come out of the rain.
Tell me Blackouts are no more after the laws have been changed. Shoulda, woulda, coulda – the mantra of Congress.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Raider Duck, you think Colin Powell looks like Suge Knight. There’s no point in discussing this with you. LA sucks because it sucks, not because of black people.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
If people would go to games We or should I say US raider wouldn’t be talkin bout blackouts at all. Now would we?
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Hendu!!!!!! What’s up dude?
I agree with you about Palmer being better than JC as a QB, but I think JC is a perfect fit for the WC system. He can move, he is perfect on short passes, and he doesn’t have a lot of TOs.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
“Nudging The Nugs” (patent pending) in effect on KCAL, word up, Coolio Mo Dee
Yo, Gasol, Bynum and the rest of the Purple N Gold Party Crew be getting busy on Mile High air. D Fish getting wiggity wiggity fresh like Peppermint
My boys Rascal and Critter (2 members of my production team, the Certified Plantinum Posse) scored Super Big Gulps from 7-11 and we’re spiking them with Mai Tais.
SERIOUS HANGOVER CITY USA
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:21 pm
JB, read the news. Congress is going after the NFL. You receive public funds, tax payers are watching your games, sold out or not. End of story.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:22 pm
Beecham, what does LA have to offer that other cities don’t, other than Hollywood, which has sucked for decades?
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:20 pm
Raider Duck, you think Colin Powell looks like Suge Knight. There’s no point in discussing this with you. LA sucks because it sucks, not because of black people.
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Why are you trying to make this racist? And saying Colin Powell and Suge Knight share ANYTHING except gender and skin color might be the daftest thing you’ve ever said.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
BTW RaidO, JC doesn’t have a quick release, and he is not known for his quick decision making.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Blacksouts will be a non factor once the raiders put a winner on the field. You agree?
Even if congress lifts the rule
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:25 pm
LA sucks. As far as living their goes. IMHO
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Duck, see the comment above where I tell you to get the F on. You’re taking this discussion to a level it doesn’t need to go. Because you’re out of ideas and unintelligent.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:28 pm
I’m just kidding, everyone. I actually love LA. Not a hater. And I dig King Taco and Fat Burger. Dodgers will rebound. LA won’t get the Raiders, but they will get an expansion team. LA will rebound just like Oakland. Sullivan44 is NOT a hater. Happy weekend.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:29 pm
r8dercain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Blacksouts will be a non factor once the raiders put a winner on the field. You agree?
Even if congress lifts the rule
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At the O.co, possibly. At a newer BIG stadium in Santa Clara, seriously doubt it. You have to know that at a newer more modern Stadium, ticket prices will be up at least 15-20%. Considering the new location, the increased prices in this economy and the exodus from the original origins of the Raider homeland (i.e. Oakland), it will be a tough sell, even if they are more competitive. If there were no blackouts anymore, sellouts will be much harder to come by under all circumstances, IMO.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:27 pm
Duck, see the comment above where I tell you to get the F on. You’re taking this discussion to a level it doesn’t need to go. Because you’re out of ideas and unintelligent.
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HAHAHAHA. You’re the same guy who has arguments with his own sockpuppets. Criticizing someone’s intelligence is hardly your forte. Now go away and bother me no more, simpleton.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
Honestly any one who thinks CP won’t be better with a full off season
needs to think again. JC would have been ok but we have CP now. Let’s move on people
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:30 pm
And Hue Jackson just lost out to Brian Daboll for the KC OC position…
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Can we hire a DC already…whats the hold up
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:34 pm
JB u may be true but winning cures all bro!!
IMO
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:35 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Can we hire a DC already…whats the hold up
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Bresnahan is barricaded in his office and refuses to leave.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Mark Davis is going to have to do some serious damage control with this franchise in order for it to be taken seriously again,its been several decades since this franchise was a measuring stick for all other teams in the NFL. All that being said it is certainly possible for this to happen, one example of this happening is the Gruden era. Do you really think Jerry Rice and Charlie Garner would have choosen to sign with the Raiders if it was the same ole same ole with that team ? no of course they wouldn’t have.
My point is once a good coach/system is in place we should have top level free agents that will want to play for this team,and probably even more important then that is that this team needed a new stadium decades ago.
Mark Davis is not stupid, he knows that not only must he sign a quality coach and bring in a qualified GM (which he has already done) he must restore confidence with the Raiders and the NFL.
If I was mark Davis I would hire a top notch marketing firm and market this team like theres no tomorrow.
RAIDER SPRING
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Fine with me! Keep the Raiders in Oakland
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:39 pm
Chiefs hired former Dolphins assistant Brian Daboll as their offensive coordinator. Former Raider OC Al Saunders not hired. Oakland breathes a sigh of relief…RNS
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:42 pm
I wonder if this means Saunders stays on as QB or WR coach…
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Except for a world class selection of strip clubs, LA totally blows. That’s why I’ve set up Beeech Dawg Headquarters here at the Ritz in Marina Del Rey.
Got my drug hook ups next door in Venice Beach, short drive down the 405 to score LB State babes and my fellow rap homies and horny ghetto shorties are just cross town in Compton.
Problem with LA is no Red Lobster. So when you get that weekly craving for Parrot Isle Jumbo Coconut Shrimp, you gotta get your driver to schlep you to Lakewood.
WRECKS N EFFECT TAKIN 2012 DOWN TOWN, JULIE BROWN
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:44 pm
125. Not sure they want many “Al guys” around
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:45 pm
126. ricochet thinking hes clever…no one cares
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:46 pm
Coliseum City looks like a last second desperate bid by a much hater mayor, Quan, to prevent all three pro teams on her watch to leave the city.
It’s a proposal. Nothing more. It looks like it’s not even past the rough sketch phase.
In all my reading I don’t recall the Raiders, A’s or Warriors to bring this up as a solution.
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Yeah but blackouts are bs and shoot ball clubs and theNFL itself in the foot by depriving the locals to get excited about their team, not to mention the millions in lost revenue for the teams and the NFL due to advertising.
I understand the original intent of the blackouts, but its so counter-productive! It makes no sense!
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:53 pm
#127
Who is the real “they”? John Madden is totally Loyal to Al D. Not sure where Mark and Al’s wife (owners) are as it applies to Al’s guys. Not sure what Reggie really wants if not to getting back to the way they were in the old Al’s days. Given all that, one rally wonders about what the real strategy is? we now have a franchise QB who can hit the bombs but we move towards a more conservative offense. What’s that all about? I guess it will all depend on what we see on the field next year. I’m not happy with them tinkering with the O right now. But, I guess I just have to wait & see like the rest of you. They better damn well win. If they change this team’s offensive direction and end up losing, schit will hit the fan from all directions.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:00 pm
I’m sorry but I may be showing my age but how old are u master b? Spiking big gulps w / liquor and getting all excited about some schytty fast food? Come on bro, man up! Were talkin Raiders here not some teenage fantasies!
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:05 pm
stevenTyler Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Discipline will be #1 in this new era of RAIDERS football
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Exciting.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:08 pm
THE COUNCIL OF NINE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Mark Davis is going to have to do some serious damage control with this franchise in order for it to be taken seriously again,its been several decades since this franchise was a measuring stick for all other teams in the NFL. All that being said it is certainly possible for this to happen, one example of this happening is the Gruden era. Do you really think Jerry Rice and Charlie Garner would have choosen to sign with the Raiders if it was the same ole same ole with that team ? no of course they wouldn’t have.
My point is once a good coach/system is in place we should have top level free agents that will want to play for this team,and probably even more important then that is that this team needed a new stadium decades ago.
Mark Davis is not stupid, he knows that not only must he sign a quality coach and bring in a qualified GM (which he has already done) he must restore confidence with the Raiders and the NFL.
If I was mark Davis I would hire a top notch marketing firm and market this team like theres no tomorrow.
RAIDER SPRING
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Mark Davis seems like a cool guy to throw back a couple of boilermakers with or maybe toke a bone with. But if I owned a McDonald’s restaurant I wouldn’t trust him to manage it, let alone an NFL team.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Think about this as unlikely as it is. What if your team is able to run the ball 100% of the time. Every drive results in a TD. Your team win every game. Every game is the same. How long would it take you to be bored to death?
I’m a fan from the old days – 1966 to present. Part of the Raider excitement has always been the bomb. Sure, we were always able to run somewhat effectively, but our real game has been the bombs.
This new regime approach of discipline, ball control, winning, etc. somehow seems like their ideal goal is as described above in the what if section.
I guess what I’m trying to say is that a little insanity might be good for all of us. Otherwise, what’s the difference and who cares?
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:15 pm
If it brings more wins than heck yeah it will be exciting. I hear ya but let’s give Reg an Mark an DA a chance even with Knap time it could all work out and provide us with what we all want -more wins, playoffs and ultimately championships! Sports let next season start before we throw cold water over everything! I have my concerns as well but I really want to be optimistic about the future.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:16 pm
Man if Knapp dumps Palmer and DMAC for a new you were are fu(ked up beyond repair. Hope will officially be done for at last. Wish Coach Davis were here so he could slap some sense into these numbskulls.
And the last thing the Raiders need is to be in LA. They do not have the disipline to survive that sh!t hole. LA is a dump. All the evil that manifests itself on this planet can be found brewing in that sespool. Raiders belong in Oakland, not in LA.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
What’s the point spread on Sunday’s SB game? Just wondering. I expect a very close game but who wins is really a crap-shoot.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:40 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Can we hire a DC already…whats the hold up
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no money. Not enough connections. Too late, low quality options.
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:59 pm
LA Isgross, dirty, and overpopulated.
It never has and Never will be a Fottball city!
Why do you think the Lambs and Raiders left?
QB’s win SB’s, not running games or Tough Defenses.
passing game > running game…
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Can we hire a DC already…whats the hold up
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What is the hurry?
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:02 pm
you’d think some of the gb guys would wanna come to oakland if for nothing else but the weather.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:03 pm
we are waiting for the teams left paying before we gets our DC..
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:04 pm
What I find interesting regarding the NFL giving the Niners SC stadium a $200 million loan:
From Corkran: “The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.”
Soooo….the Niners received 200 mill a stadium they would be the ONLY tenants?
So, does that mean the Raiders will also receive a $200 mill loan from the NFL IF they are approved for financing for a new stadium on Oakland?
Seems that would be fair to me, wouldn’t it?
Unless the provision for that $200 million loan from the NFL to the SC stadium says that the Raiders need to be co-tenants of the SC stadium, why would the NFL provide special treatment for the Niners and their stadium plan?
However, we know Goodell and the NFL wants the Bay Area teams to share a stadium.
The city of Oakland needs to seriously get to work on planning and financing their Coliseum City idea to keep the Raiders and Warriors from bailing out and they need to get to work on it pronto and not just talk about it. Actions speak louder than words.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
# JB Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
What’s the point spread on Sunday’s SB game? Just wondering. I expect a very close game but who wins is really a crap-shoot.
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Pats are favored by 3 points.
I want and will be rooting for the Giants, just as I did in their first matchup 4 years ago.
However, I will betting on the Pats -3 and I got +105 on that bet. If the Pats win by 3, I will at least get compensated for a team that I hate winning.
If the Giants win, I will be so happy, that I won’t give a crap about losing the money.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
145.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
# JB Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
What’s the point spread on Sunday’s SB game? Just wondering. I expect a very close game but who wins is really a crap-shoot.
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Pats are favored by 3 points.
I want and will be rooting for the Giants, just as I did in their first matchup 4 years ago.
However, I will betting on the Pats -3 and I got +105 on that bet. If the Pats win by 3, I will at least get compensated for a team that I hate winning.
If the Giants win, I will be so happy, that I won’t give a crap about losing the money.
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Interesting take.
A great way to enjoy a Raiders season is bet against them every week. If they lose, you win $, if they win…happy anyway.
Never tried it yet.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:12 pm
# arkraider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Yeah but blackouts are bs and shoot ball clubs and theNFL itself in the foot by depriving the locals to get excited about their team, not to mention the millions in lost revenue for the teams and the NFL due to advertising.
I understand the original intent of the blackouts, but its so counter-productive! It makes no sense!
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The blackout rules are archaic and need to be abolished. I believe a group is taking that blackout ruling to court.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:13 pm
#145
Spoken like a true sports fan. Thanks for the update. I didn’t now for sure but also picked the Pats. They just seem to be able to play well when they have to. Having an elite QB helps too.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:16 pm
# djohnnyg Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:11 pm
145.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:07 pm
# JB Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:19 pm
What’s the point spread on Sunday’s SB game? Just wondering. I expect a very close game but who wins is really a crap-shoot.
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Pats are favored by 3 points.
I want and will be rooting for the Giants, just as I did in their first matchup 4 years ago.
However, I will betting on the Pats -3 and I got +105 on that bet. If the Pats win by 3, I will at least get compensated for a team that I hate winning.
If the Giants win, I will be so happy, that I won’t give a crap about losing the money.
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Interesting take.
A great way to enjoy a Raiders season is bet against them every week. If they lose, you win $, if they win…happy anyway.
Never tried it yet.
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Yep. I have been doing this for years….especially when it came to Raiders football or when it comes to teams that I hate in the playoffs.
An example is the Niner vs Giant game. I bet on the Niners -3, hoping they would lose, because I can’t stand them. If they won by 3, then at least I would won money betting on a team I hate.
It saves me from being all in emotionally and financially on the team that I’m rooting for against a team I hate. It may be weird, but it works for me. haha
Sometimes at least. It’s not like I’m throwing thousands of dollars though. I bet hundreds.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I won BIG in Vegas actually when the Raiders went on the road and laid a freakin egg versus Miami.
Raiders were favored and I had a feeling they would lay and egg against a crappy team on the east coast and then with that whole McClain mess happening earlier in the week. Always bet against the Raiders when they play on the East Coast. Lazy azz players never show up. Freakin joke.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:23 pm
By all rights the Giants should win this game…especially with Gronk not even close to being 100%
IF he plays, he will be INEFFECTIVE, he has torn ligaments in his ankle for crying out loud.
Giants D just needs to play tight, bump and run coverage on Welker and Hernandez and disguise coverages and put consistent pressure on Brady from all over, but especially up the middle to throw his timing off.
They need to run the ball also with Ahmad and Jacobs and soften that weak Pats D and that will open up their vaunted passing game up even more and Manning can pick them apart.
Giants need to win the turnover battle and hope the refs call a fair game.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:28 pm
Reggie Amy and Mark need to find themselves a sugar daddy with deep pockets to build them a new stadium, kinda like how Allen built Seahawk stadium, or money bags Jerry Jones got his way with Dallas. There’s enough money in California to get it done. They just need to schmooze the right ass and all the green will flow from the ‘ol bungalow like honey.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Now that the Raiders are staying in Oakland and the A’s are movin on down the road, do you think the city of Oakland has the Raiders by the gonads or do you think the Raiders have the city of Oakland by the gonads? Interesting to say the least.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:34 pm
150.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I won BIG in Vegas actually when the Raiders went on the road and laid a freakin egg versus Miami.
Raiders were favored and I had a feeling they would lay and egg against a crappy team on the east coast and then with that whole McClain mess happening earlier in the week. Always bet against the Raiders when they play on the East Coast. Lazy azz players never show up. Freakin joke.
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Awesome.
I guess the decision comes down to how much would i be willing to pay out of my own pocket to have the Raiders win?
A thousand?
Ok, I bet a thousand and they lose (with the points of course) and I win…
I imagine the only huge bummer is Raiders to lose, but not by enuff points.
That would suck.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
that I hope never happens. I dont want to see Allen and Knapp gut (gut, how funny) the team. Especially ticket sales, how well would that fly.
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Why dont you STFU what the he11 do you know dip wad. Your always spouting your clap like you think you know something. You need to STFU next time you go and say something cuz you sound really stupid, jerk.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:46 pm
WaitaRaida Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:42 pm
that I hope never happens. I dont want to see Allen and Knapp gut (gut, how funny) the team. Especially ticket sales, how well would that fly.
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Why dont you STFU what the he11 do you know dip wad. Your always spouting your clap like you think you know something. You need to STFU next time you go and say something cuz you sound really stupid, jerk.
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That sounds like that fluffer professor, aka, niner glory hole lover. Thinks he knows a thing or two about Raider business, but really is a closet niner, and other things closet. If he knew anything, he’d know the Raiders are the team of the bay, not the 0niners. professor nut job = hand jerk.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:49 pm
Raiders owner Mark Davis said Jan. 10 that he already has received offers from investors who want to build stadiums in the Los Angeles area about the prospect of the Raiders relocating to the part of the state they left after the 1994 season.
Davis declined to go into specifics. However, he made it abundantly clear that Los Angeles remains a viable option as long as the Raiders don’t have a better option than the Oakland Coliseum in its current state.
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com’on mark my man, just go ask the commish for a cool 200 mil like the ’stick dwellers got.
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:54 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82692011/article/goodell-all-teams-to-go-prime-time-in-new-thursday-night-slate?module=HP11_headline_stack
February 4th, 2012 at 12:02 am
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Like I said, looks like we’re the Santa Clara Raiders now…
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If you think for one second the Oakland Raiders are going to walk into their “home” stadium that is decked in red and gold with a Whiner Logo at midfield, shows you are not a Raider fan. Please do not post here again.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Raiders are a goldmine under the right “management” of thier brand.
This is no lie; i went into a sports clothing store at a mall outside Chicago and the 4 teams prominently represented were:
-Bears
-Packers
-Cowboys
…and
-Raiders
The Raiders have an excellent brand that could quickly be re-embraced.
The “dark gladiator” image really works. The “Bad Boy” image. Rebels etc.
A brand like that needs to exploited to its full potential.
WINNING would help alot of course.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Can someone explain to me why there are these new “posters” that have never been here before, that do nothing but denigrate the Raiders, the new Raider hirings, and everything else associated with the Raiders? Oh right, they’re trolls. Best to ignore them.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:05 am
159,
Aren’t we talking more of a deal like the Jets and Giants where the logos in the endzone change depending on who’s game it is?
I don’t think they have a mid-field logo at the Meadowlands though.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I have said it dozens of times: the Raiders will not get a new stadium this time around, whether it be in Oakland or Los Angeles. What Roger says is irrelevant. His word is not California law. What does prevents the Raiders from acquiring a new stadium is simple economics, value seeking its own level.
The Raiders first have to become major revenue generators, and after fielding only 9 winning seasons in 29 (and no winning seasons from the past 10) their revenue generating ability is 31st in the league.
The Raiders must win consistently for a least 10 seasons, bring in 4 to 5 AFC titles and several Superbowls. In this way they will sell out all their games, be consistently televised, nationally, every Sunday, lead in sales of merchandise, and generally be within the top 6 clubs in value and revenue gaining.
No developer, city, county, etc. will bet on the Raiders at a point of $1.5B for a new stadium until there is allocation of financial risk placed upon the Raiders which can actually be satisfied. As it is now, even if financial risk in the building and operation of a new stadium was allocated to the Raiders, they probably, at their present state of value, would declare insolvency and default.
No one, entity, local government, taxpayers, will jump to the tune of $1.5B with the Raiders’ current bad kind of risk.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:39 am
The way to gain dynasty and revenue gain to justify building a $1.5B stadium for the Raiders is as follows:
C’mon people, smell the blood, where the greatest talent of our players is to win. Why do you think AL coined the phrase, “Just Win Baby!”? Because he got it from the acts of his players on the field. Back in the day, the rumor was that AD was a member of the Hell’s Angeles Motorcycle Club.
Smell the fear, people. Do you really think Tom Brady would have been allowed to tip toe through the tulips nice and clean behind his O line and rip the Raiders apart?? No! The 76 Raiders would have violently dismantled him piece by piece, and put him in the hospital overnight.
Do you actually think a QB like Peyton Manning would be allowed to skip back and forth under Center, quack like a duck, shout audibles, dance around like a ballerina, then remain upright ? The 76 Raiders would have done more than tweak several vertebrea; they would have slammed him into the ground headfirst and put him in the hospital too, like Brady, except for a week with severe neck trauma, strained knee, and a bruised lung in which he regurgitated blood for several days.
Quit trying to match stats, was HueJack a gifted play caller or a pimp? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We have to figure what can we do to make Belichick sh.t his pants every time we come upon the field of play.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:12 am
Hardline Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:39 am
The way to gain dynasty and revenue gain to justify building a $1.5B stadium for the Raiders is as follows:
C’mon people, smell the blood, where the greatest talent of our players is to win. Why do you think AL coined the phrase, “Just Win Baby!”? Because he got it from the acts of his players on the field. Back in the day, the rumor was that AD was a member of the Hell’s Angeles Motorcycle Club.
Smell the fear, people. Do you really think Tom Brady would have been allowed to tip toe through the tulips nice and clean behind his O line and rip the Raiders apart?? No! The 76 Raiders would have violently dismantled him piece by piece, and put him in the hospital overnight.
Do you actually think a QB like Peyton Manning would be allowed to skip back and forth under Center, quack like a duck, shout audibles, dance around like a ballerina, then remain upright ? The 76 Raiders would have done more than tweak several vertebrea; they would have slammed him into the ground headfirst and put him in the hospital too, like Brady, except for a week with severe neck trauma, strained knee, and a bruised lung in which he regurgitated blood for several days.
Quit trying to match stats, was HueJack a gifted play caller or a pimp? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We have to figure what can we do to make Belichick sh.t his pants every time we come upon the field of play.
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Hardline, Dude, I really kinda hope you are drunk and or high when you comment on here. Reading your posts is like trying to use a broken Cracker Jack Decoding Ring, that was made by an ESL student…. It just doesn’t make sense.
You might want to try putting some effort into organizing and constructing your thoughts, then pay attention to how you illustrate them.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:42 am
Interesting how goodell can be quoted saying this , when AL was around he wouldnt say a thing.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:47 am
Even the title of this article is wrong, nothing is anything without the owner saying so.
February 4th, 2012 at 5:35 am
Hmmm, the NFL saying a team can’t move? Seems like we have been down that road before. Nothing the commish can do to stop mark moving the team to la if he so chooses.
February 4th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Goodell wants the team to share a stadium, and will say whatever he can to build that momentum.
However, if LA builds a stadium wihtout NFL funding, than not much he can do.
Oakland needs to get their shat together, or within 5 years, the A’s will leave, the Raiders will be in Santa Clara and the Warriors in San Fran.
February 4th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Ideal situation is to go to Santa Clara for 2 years, while Al Davis Park is built right where the stadium is at today.
But one way or another, the team needs a new park. Since we came back in ‘95, almost 3/4 of NFL teams have built a new stadium or rebuilt their current one.
February 4th, 2012 at 7:17 am
And I don’t see the NFL doing anything about the blackout rule.
There are plenty of teams that haven’t taken any public money, that want the blackout rule.
I would be suprised if a bill even made the floor.
February 4th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Simple…. The League knows the Raiders belong in Oakland….and ownership in Oakland doesn’t want to trade any % of ownership in the club as part of a deal for a stadium ….that’s what the investors wanted …
February 4th, 2012 at 7:46 am
170..agree with your post
February 4th, 2012 at 7:51 am
LA this LA that, all you middle aged mamas boys still living in the room you grew up in, all you old bitter men pretending to be realtors while holding the company broom, all you shut-ins that their lives were ruined with the invention of the internet,…heres all you need to know about LA,…have a nice weekend, go outside today,…try to reach the heights Brien and I have reached, Im in South Shore with my hot wife, Brien is in Missouri with frat girls fighting over him and his soon to be NBA star cousin,…cya.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EvS3XcGAPcU&feature=fvsr
February 4th, 2012 at 8:00 am
@EyeOnNFL Eye on Football
Brian Daboll is reportedly headed to KC as the new OC. bit.ly/AbK9an
February 4th, 2012 at 8:01 am
And yes, the Raiders belong in Oakland.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:02 am
IF the Raidas’ cant have their own field with their own logo in the middle of said own field THEN screw the NFL for not helping out one of the most storied
franchises there ever was. The thought of sharing a
field with the ‘ners is pukifying. Oakland stay in
Oakland.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:11 am
I agree. The Raiders should stay in OAK. They are The Oakland Raiders!!!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:13 am
As far as sharing a stadium with the Whiners, it’s not a bad idea, and could reduce costs and increase profits for the ORG.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:14 am
2 things:
1. Raiders STAY in OAKLAND!! Not LA and not in a shared stadium!
2. Someone mentioned trading Palmer & DMAC for RGIII.. Dont know what youre smoking?? The only time I saw RGIII was that horrific bowl game where neither team had a defense on the field. The passes I saw him throw were nothing to write home about and Im not sure the competition he went against all year was anything special…
I think RGIII is WAY overhyped… Kinda reminds me of a QB coming into the draft that was more hype than performance… What was his name… hmmm… oh yeah,
Jamarcus Russell!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:26 am
FA Wish list:
1- Mario Williams
2- C Nicks/ B Grubbs
3- T Porter
DE: Mario Williams, Dez
DT: Seymour/ Houston
DT: NT, Houston, Dez
DE: Matt/ Wimbley
SLB: Wimbley/ Curry
ILB: McClain, Goethel
WLB: Rookie/ FA/ Curry/ Goethel
CB: Routt, DVD
CB: T Porter, Chekwa
SS: Resign Branch, MM
FS: Huff (if he is cheap/ restructure contract), Rookie/ Eugene/ Gio
Trade/ release TK, restructure contracts with Wimbley/ Huff/ Routt/ Curry/ Seymour, and thus defense can be a top 10 unit with good coaching and discipline.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Nice defensive lineup RaiderO, I can dig it..
February 4th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Can you imagine us getting Mario Williams?!?
February 4th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Thx dude, but I don’t think it will happen.
1- I don’t think Mario is going to available.
2- I don’t think R McKenzie is going to go after big name FAs
But it’s nice to hope/ dream with a morning session.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:38 am
To be* available
February 4th, 2012 at 9:42 am
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:25 pm
7. Dont have to cook up sh*t. You sound like one of those guys who doesn’t watch all the games but pours over stats like they mean something. There are tangibles you’re not getting from data alone.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5cvAfGiBnRY
Watch that throw to Reece alone.
Palmer can make ALL the throws, wheels, quick slants, 9 route ALL the throws.
Did he make bad throws? Yes he did. Was JC more conservative?
Yes he was.
Did he have Darren McFadden leading the League in rushing and explosive plays?
Yes he did.
Was Carson hand cuffed? Yes he was.
Hes a real QB. I understand its been awhile since we’ve seen one in Oakland.
So long some people can’t even recognize one.
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^^^ This.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Raider-In-PA Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 9:14 am
2 things:
1. Raiders STAY in OAKLAND!! Not LA and not in a shared stadium!
2. Someone mentioned trading Palmer & DMAC for RGIII.. Dont know what youre smoking?? The only time I saw RGIII was that horrific bowl game where neither team had a defense on the field. The passes I saw him throw were nothing to write home about and Im not sure the competition he went against all year was anything special…
I think RGIII is WAY overhyped… Kinda reminds me of a QB coming into the draft that was more hype than performance… What was his name… hmmm… oh yeah,
Jamarcus Russell!!
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They’ll stay in Oakland. You have the commish’s comments and the fact the developers want a stake in ownership = staying in Oaktown.
As for that trade proposal, that must have come from Mistic. That racist old man has lost his marbles. Pay him no attention.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Palmer is easily the best QB to come to town since Gannon. Period, end of story.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:46 am
The defense in my prev post can cost 60-70 million in annual salary (maybe less, if some players restructure their contracts). I think we can afford to do that since we don’t have a lot big contracts on offense, and we have a lot of cheap young talent.
Big contracts: Palmer, DMAC, Boss, and I think DHB received most of his money.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I think we need to set the DT rotation with Kelly and Seymour handling one spot and sharing playing time so we can get the most out of both, they are older players and their productivity would go up seeing less snaps.
The other DT spot should be handled by Houston and Bryant, those two are young, fast, strong and hungry, they can bring a lot of energy inside, DE is not their best position, even if they can play there in a pinch, Houston and Bryant need to become full-time DT’s so we can see what we have in them.
Shaughnessy remains a starter at one End spot and we go find a bookend in FA or the draft (if not this year, in 2013).
February 4th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Maybe we can keep TK, if we can afford it. I think the guy is a very good player. It’s not his fault we have 4 UTs, and 1 NT who is always injured ( Henderson).
February 4th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Mario Williams!!!!!!!!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:51 am
And for the record, posting here sucks. way too many comments and weak format make it hard to read and a bunch of shouting anyway.
Simce I log on here like once a year.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:52 am
MB,
I agree, but I also think Dez can play DE. Not as a starter, but you can add him to the rotation.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:53 am
TK gets some hate from fans because he’s never lived up to his contract. But that’s not really his fault either. The man will take what he can get. Never deserved it, but he’ll take it especially when it’s being handed to him like candy. Get him a realistic contract. He’s a good player, just not as good as he was paid.
February 4th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Super Mario is the man!! Whats funny is he is such a beast, but he has the highest pitch voice… Dont let it fool you!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
We knew the Raiders wouldn’t leave Oakland. This info from the commish just solidifies the answer. Good news. The leauge would rather have 2 new teams than move others around. They are all about expanding the league, more $$$. Give it 10-15 years and you will see a new team in Europe.
So, since the decision has been made and we can stop with all the LA nonsense, what do you think the new LA teams names will be?
LA Mastodons
LA Tremors
LA Implants
…?
February 4th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Do I even have to ask, but who are yall pulling for tomorrow?? Giants here, of course!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:57 am
LA Implants
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LOL!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
‘TUCK’ Brady!!
February 4th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Giants!!!
February 4th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Raider 0,
I like the FA wishlist, but DEZ and Houston are not NT. Really Kelly, Seymoir, Houston, and Dez are all 3 techs.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:08 am
I would say the Giants, but I think the Pats are going to come out cracking skulls and scoring points. A lot of smack talking from the G men this week, and the Pats are almost considered the underdog in this one in the court of public opinion. When they are in this situation watch out.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:10 am
The Raiders for the first time in years have a name QB. Give Palmer some love.He is a winner.He will give the raiders a Superbowl. Just like The Snake # 12 did.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Everyone needs to face reality.
California is a broke state, period.
Calipers largest Teacher pension is almost broke.
The Raider Fans are just going to have to suck it up and share that stadium with the Whiners. It’s a different economy.
Trust me, I would love to keep the Raiders in Oaklland, but there is no money, period.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Really Kelly, Seymour, Houston, and Dez are all 3 techs.
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Yeah but that’s what we have right now.
NT’s don’t grow on trees and just because some guy may be 6′3 330 (as many FA journeymen and fringe draft prospects probably are) doesn’t mean he can be an effective NT.
DT’s dont’ have to be huge to demand a double-team, as long as they’re hard to block they will command extra attention, and that can be done because of their speed, strenght, technique or a combination of all of those.
If we can get Houston and Bryant to focus on DT, they may be handle the position for years to come, Kelly and Seymour will be gone in a year or two.
I’m no trainer or coach obviously, but I imagine a DT needs to work on different stuff than a DE, Houston and Bryant can focus on their strenght, maybe put on a couple of pounds and train to hold the point of attack, without having to worry about keeping enough speed to be able to beat OT’s off the edge.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:21 am
303Raider Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Everyone needs to face reality.
California is a broke state, period.
Calipers largest Teacher pension is almost broke.
The Raider Fans are just going to have to suck it up and share that stadium with the Whiners. It’s a different economy.
Trust me, I would love to keep the Raiders in Oakland, but there is no money, period.
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Maybe Mark needs to wait until after California goes through Chapter 9, so all those money-draining public employee pensions can be dumped.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Also, Joseph Barksdale may be one player we can trade.
He was a 3rd rounder last year and may not fit the ZBS, but a power blocking team may be interested in developing the kid, I read there aren’t many quality OT prospects coming out this year.
So maybe Barksdale can get us a 4th or be used to trade down into the 2nd round along with a future pick, if there’s a player McKenzie covets.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:26 am
The Commish was talking out his azz when he started talking expansion.
Arthur Blank, owner of the Falcons, said on the radio that expansion is not even on the owner’s radar at the current time. The owners are very happy with how things are at the moment. Said they are discussing more games in London, Mexico, and maybe even Brazil, but not expansion.
Looks like the Commish was being a politician.
The Raiders NEED a new stadium to be competitive in the new NFL.
If they can’t get one in Oakland they will leave. I don’t know where they will go, but they will go.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Mj57,
I want us to add a NT.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Mark clearly said his focus was finding a new stadium, and he didn’t really care where it was located.
Just the reality of the situation. The current location is ideal, but Mark ain’t paying for the whole thing, so something has to give.
The reality is, if the current stadium is not being updated in 2-3 years, THEY 110% WILL NOT BE PLAYING THERE ANYMORE AFTER THAT.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:48 am
they will go to LA….
February 4th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Go Lakers!
Cut DMAC the spoiled quitter!
February 4th, 2012 at 10:50 am
I hope they don’t go to LA, and I think that is less likely than the shared/Santa Clara thing.
But the least likely of scenarios, is them staying in the current stadium, in it’s current state.
February 4th, 2012 at 10:50 am
JC = HUE JACK =NO JOB
February 4th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Trade Pryor the suckeye cheater!
February 4th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Hi Raider O
February 4th, 2012 at 10:55 am
JC = HUE JACK =NO JOB
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Soup will find a job as a backup, not sure about Hue.
He probably needs to go to the college ranks to rework his reputation.
February 4th, 2012 at 11:33 am
it must suck 4 laker fans knowing the lakers cant beat the heat.. as much as yall hate lebron .
February 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
for a bunch of dudes that seem to be happy that coach hue jackson got fired, yall sure are obsessed with him. are u crazy ? if dudes like marty morninweg and dom capers and the greg knapp keep gettin nfl jobds why couldnt hue jack? he can scheme better than any of them .
February 4th, 2012 at 11:38 am
163.Hardline Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I have said it dozens of times: the Raiders will not get a new stadium this time around, whether it be in Oakland or Los Angeles. What Roger says is irrelevant. His word is not California law. What does prevents the Raiders from acquiring a new stadium is simple economics, value seeking its own level.
The Raiders first have to become major revenue generators, and after fielding only 9 winning seasons in 29 (and no winning seasons from the past 10) their revenue generating ability is 31st in the league.
The Raiders must win consistently for a least 10 seasons, bring in 4 to 5 AFC titles and several Superbowls. In this way they will sell out all their games, be consistently televised, nationally, every Sunday, lead in sales of merchandise, and generally be within the top 6 clubs in value and revenue gaining.
No developer, city, county, etc. will bet on the Raiders at a point of $1.5B for a new stadium until there is allocation of financial risk placed upon the Raiders which can actually be satisfied. As it is now, even if financial risk in the building and operation of a new stadium was allocated to the Raiders, they probably, at their present state of value, would declare insolvency and default.
No one, entity, local government, taxpayers, will jump to the tune of $1.5B with the Raiders’ current bad kind of risk.
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Unless of course the developers have an ownership percentage in the team.
I think two things will wind up happening.
The Raiders will wind up being co tenants with the Whiners in SC for quite sometime or the city of Oakland will wind up getting the “Coliseum City” idea off the ground and running and the Raiders may move in temporarily for two seasons at the SC stadium and be co tenants for two seasons while Coliseum City is being built.
February 4th, 2012 at 11:40 am
220.doriangray Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 11:37 am
for a bunch of dudes that seem to be happy that coach hue jackson got fired, yall sure are obsessed with him. are u crazy ? if dudes like marty morninweg and dom capers and the greg knapp keep gettin nfl jobds why couldnt hue jack? he can scheme better than any of them .
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Weird huh? As much as some of these goofs hate Huey, they sure love talking about him.
February 4th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Broderick Bunkley is the most likely target for a 4-3 1-tech DT.
I expect the Raiders to target UConn DT Kendall Reyes in the draft, as well.
February 4th, 2012 at 11:54 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Aj01QpTs4pY
this a great documentary ..
February 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
it all makes sense now!! khloe is OJ simpsons son ,, explains her chin and huge hands.. and ugliness,,
February 4th, 2012 at 11:58 am
What I find interesting regarding the NFL giving the Niners SC stadium a $200 million loan:
From Corkran: “The 49ers moved closer to getting their new stadium by receiving a $200 million loan from the NFL, with no language providing the 49ers be joint tenants with the Raiders.”
Soooo….the Niners received 200 mill a stadium they would be the ONLY tenants?
So, does that mean the Raiders will also receive a $200 mill loan from the NFL IF they are approved for financing for a new stadium on Oakland?
Seems that would be fair to me, wouldn’t it?
Unless the provision for that $200 million loan from the NFL to the SC stadium says that the Raiders need to be co-tenants of the SC stadium, why would the NFL provide special treatment for the Niners and their stadium plan?
However, we know Goodell and the NFL wants the Bay Area teams to share a stadium.
The city of Oakland needs to seriously get to work on planning and financing their Coliseum City idea to keep the Raiders and Warriors from bailing out and they need to get to work on it pronto and not just talk about it.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
so lebron is 6-8 , 260 pounds.. runs a 4.5 .. has a 48 inch vertical, has a higher career scoring average thatn kobe, rebounds , passes better than oscar robertson . can bench 300 pounds. but sum morons were saying last year that .. ahem,, no defense. slow. none rebounding . only can shoot azz dirk nowitzki is better than him ..
February 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
The Oakland Raiders will not share the Whiners Stadium in Santa Clara. So get over it. If they do not get a committment for a new stadium in Oakland by 2013, the Raiders will return to L.A. Captain Kangaroo spents a good amount of time in the condo in Palm Desert and he lived in Marina Del Rey while the Raider’s were in L.A. I hope they stay in Oakland but the L.A. Stadium site in Industry does not require Mark Davis to give up a percentage of the team.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
225.doriangray Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 11:55 am
it all makes sense now!! khloe is OJ simpsons son ,, explains her chin and huge hands.. and ugliness,,
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Heard about that. It also explains her forehead and weird nose.
They keep denying it, then why doesn’t she take a DNA test? haha
OJ got around big time in So Cal and him and Marcus Allen banged alot of hoe bags and they even shared some.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
i bought a all natural bootleg viagra type pill and banged this 20 year old chick with red hair. and man!! my pole was at an all time best. even she noticed, this pill was called virility. i should do a commercial for this stuff dude.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
163.Hardline Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I have said it dozens of times: the Raiders will not get a new stadium this time around, whether it be in Oakland or Los Angeles. What Roger says is irrelevant. His word is not California law. What does prevents the Raiders from acquiring a new stadium is simple economics, value seeking its own level.
The Raiders first have to become major revenue generators, and after fielding only 9 winning seasons in 29 (and no winning seasons from the past 10) their revenue generating ability is 31st in the league.
The Raiders must win consistently for a least 10 seasons, bring in 4 to 5 AFC titles and several Superbowls. In this way they will sell out all their games, be consistently televised, nationally, every Sunday, lead in sales of merchandise, and generally be within the top 6 clubs in value and revenue gaining.
No developer, city, county, etc. will bet on the Raiders at a point of $1.5B for a new stadium until there is allocation of financial risk placed upon the Raiders which can actually be satisfied. As it is now, even if financial risk in the building and operation of a new stadium was allocated to the Raiders, they probably, at their present state of value, would declare insolvency and default.
No one, entity, local government, taxpayers, will jump to the tune of $1.5B with the Raiders’ current bad kind of risk.
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A 1.2-1.5 billion stadium in Santa Clara just for the Niners to play in and the NFL is providing a 200 million loan for it?
The NFL and Goodell are trying to force the Raiders and Mark Davis hand on moving into the SC stadium as co tenants.
If Coliseum City can be accomplished and become a reality and the Raiders and Warriors staying, that concept and idea is better than the SC stadium idea IMO.
Have any of you seen the concept art and design for Coliseum City? It’s very nice, but ambitious. They can build a whole retail and restaurant bar area along with a nice hotel and renovate the BART system in the Coliseum area to look modern and much sleeker and nicer.
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/files/2011/12/oaklandlivesm.gif
February 4th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
228.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
The Oakland Raiders will not share the Whiners Stadium in Santa Clara. So get over it. If they do not get a committment for a new stadium in Oakland by 2013, the Raiders will return to L.A. Captain Kangaroo spents a good amount of time in the condo in Palm Desert and he lived in Marina Del Rey while the Raider’s were in L.A. I hope they stay in Oakland but the L.A. Stadium site in Industry does not require Mark Davis to give up a percentage of the team.
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Interesting. I don’t think LA will be building two stadiums though will they?
It’s going to be the downtown stadium site or city of industry….I don’t think it’s going to be both.
The bureaucrats, politicians and developers prefer the downtown stadium site near Staples don’t they?
February 4th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Soooo….the Niners received 200 mill a stadium they would be the ONLY tenants?
So, does that mean the Raiders will also receive a $200 mill loan from the NFL IF they are approved for financing for a new stadium on Oakland?
Seems that would be fair to me, wouldn’t it?
Unless the provision for that $200 million loan from the NFL to the SC stadium says that the Raiders need to be co-tenants of the SC stadium, why would the NFL provide special treatment for the Niners and their stadium plan?
However, we know Goodell and the NFL wants the Bay Area teams to share a stadium.
The city of Oakland needs to seriously get to work on planning and financing their Coliseum City idea to keep the Raiders and Warriors from bailing out and they need to get to work on it pronto and not just talk about it….
February 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Remember, the NFL operates unlike MLB Baseball without an anti-trust exemption. So a lawsuit to allow a move is winnable.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Bo,
If I was from Mich, I would hate TP too (you know we are not talking about toilet paper). We know You People hate that stuff too.
What’s Mich record against TP? 0-3!!
BTW, good afternoon.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
damn the stadium. yall worried bout the wrong things. hell aint neva been to the coliseum. iont care if they play in sum sacremento high school. at least then thered be hot 17 yr old white girls with big thighs in skirts.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
The Industry site is the one preferred by the teams though as it has parking lots to allow tailgating. These lots are great revenue producers. Frank McCourt separated the parking lots from Dodger Stadium and will retain them after the sale of the team. Try tailgating in indoor parking facilities. Oh no, the law prevents that as a fire hazard.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
163.Hardline Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:32 am
I have said it dozens of times: the Raiders will not get a new stadium this time around, whether it be in Oakland or Los Angeles. What Roger says is irrelevant. His word is not California law. What does prevents the Raiders from acquiring a new stadium is simple economics, value seeking its own level.
The Raiders first have to become major revenue generators, and after fielding only 9 winning seasons in 29 (and no winning seasons from the past 10) their revenue generating ability is 31st in the league.
The Raiders must win consistently for a least 10 seasons, bring in 4 to 5 AFC titles and several Superbowls. In this way they will sell out all their games, be consistently televised, nationally, every Sunday, lead in sales of merchandise, and generally be within the top 6 clubs in value and revenue gaining.
No developer, city, county, etc. will bet on the Raiders at a point of $1.5B for a new stadium until there is allocation of financial risk placed upon the Raiders which can actually be satisfied. As it is now, even if financial risk in the building and operation of a new stadium was allocated to the Raiders, they probably, at their present state of value, would declare insolvency and default.
No one, entity, local government, taxpayers, will jump to the tune of $1.5B with the Raiders’ current bad kind of risk.
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Didn’t the Lions get a new stadium?
They built a stadium in TX for a team that hadn’t won a playoff game since the mid 90s.(hell, under Gov. Perry, we the great state of TX have built 2 new stadiums and hosted 2 Super Bowls in the last 10 years)
Arizona got a new stadium way before Warner took them to the bowl. They were a losing team when they moved to Arizona.
The Browns were a losing team when they moved to Baltimore and got a new stadium.
The Seahawks got a new stadium and they haven’t done sh!t ever. (I know they have a few playoff wins, but they still suck.)
My point is there are lots of franchises that have got stadium deals despite not being currently “winning” teams.
The Raiders will find a place that will welcome them and build them a stadium.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The bureaucrats, politicians and developers prefer the downtown stadium site near Staples don’t they
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That is what got AD to move back to Oakland. The L.A. politicians lied to him and the morning that the Hollywood Park Stadium was to be announced, AD found out that that the partially NFL funded Stadium would have 2 teams. He wanted his own stadium as does Mark Davis.
The Industry site has approved envoirmental impact studies which were ramrodded by Arnold through the legislature. Also no L.A. politicians would be involved.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Here is an old article 1995.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/1995/05/25/SP58856.DTL
February 4th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Hue jack ain’t getting second chance because he didn’t keep his mouth shut. That is what happens when you get uppity with the man.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
“Forget Oakland” Davis tells the Hollywood Park contractor. http://articles.latimes.com/1995-06-10/sports/sp-11659_1_hollywood-park
February 4th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The bureaucrats, politicians and developers prefer the downtown stadium site near Staples don’t they
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That is what got AD to move back to Oakland. The L.A. politicians lied to him and the morning that the Hollywood Park Stadium was to be announced, AD found out that that the partially NFL funded Stadium would have 2 teams. He wanted his own stadium as does Mark Davis.
The Industry site has approved envoirmental impact studies which were ramrodded by Arnold through the legislature. Also no L.A. politicians would be involved.
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My understanding of the Industry site is they are ready to break ground as soon as an NFL team signs on the dotted line. It looks like a neat stadium, too.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I just don’t see the Raiders moving, didn’t the bury Al Davis close to the O.co?
I just can’t see them leaving him there, by himself.
February 4th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I just don’t see the Raiders moving, didn’t the bury Al Davis close to the O.co?
I just can’t see them leaving him there, by himself.
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He’s in a mausoleum surrounded by (dead) people. He won’t be lonely.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Still I think it would be weird to move the team away
February 4th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The City Of Industry site does look sweet though:
http://www.sportsbusinessdaily.com/content/Image/04-22-2010/Roski.png
February 4th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Brahs, you’re not going to believe what just happened!
After finishing a mini orgy with 3 Japanese porn stars while smoking hash in the Ritz hot tub, I found out Burger King is giving away onion rings next week!
You know what they say about the Beeech Dawg’s cravings – girl, you’d best put a ring on it
I’m working with my production team – the Certified Platinum Posse – on swag-a-licious tents so we can camp out in the BK parking lot.
RANCH DRESSING DOUBLE DIPPIN N EFFECT Y’ALL, SWIZZLE
February 4th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
So, if Roski and the City of Industry stadium group is just waiting for a NFL team to “sign on the dotted line”, what is Mark Davis waiting for?
February 4th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
It is just the LA dweebs wishful thinking.Raiders prefer to stay home,and home is Oakland.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Here are the concept designs for the proposed Downtown LA stadium, where the developers want part ownership of the NFL team that moves in I believe:
http://ronkayela.com/aegnfl.jpg
February 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The City Of Industry site does look sweet though:
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Check this out: http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
Supposedly, the big hold-up is Roski wanting 30% of the team. I’d say DO IT, because a big fancy new stadium would probably increase the value of the franchise more than the 30% Mark would give up, but the minority investors might be an issue.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
It is just the LA dweebs wishful thinking.Raiders prefer to stay home,and home is Oakland.
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Isn’t that what you said back in the early 80’s? That Raiders would never move? Would prefer to stay home?
How’d that work out for ya?
February 4th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
[...] returns to Los Angeles at some point, it likely would be with one or two expansion teams. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
February 4th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
250.lefty12 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
It is just the LA dweebs wishful thinking.Raiders prefer to stay home,and home is Oakland.
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I hope so.
The freakin city of Oakland needs to get their collective azzes moving and Quan needs to get her Chinese connections to invest in Coliseum City so the Raiders and Warrios stay in Oakland! They need to get moving on it:
http://blogs.kqed.org/newsfix/files/2011/12/oaklandlivesm.gif
February 4th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I just don’t see the Raiders moving, didn’t the bury Al Davis close to the O.co?
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Al hated O.co. Always did. Why do you think he left in the first place? Only came back because L.A. was such a disaster, and nothing else was in place. After Al came back, he continued to threaten to leave, year after year, to anywhere else but Oakland.
O.co is in the ghetto. You really think snooty
Al wanted to be buried in the ghetto?
February 4th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Why would anyone who claims to be a fan of a team and roots for that team want them to move to where the franchise had its least success(the SB team was still the Oakland Raiders) and it could be argued the same place that caused the team to go from an elite franchise to a bottom of the barrel also ran?
February 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
252.RaiderDuck Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
The City Of Industry site does look sweet though:
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Check this out: http://www.losangelesfootballstadium.com/
Supposedly, the big hold-up is Roski wanting 30% of the team. I’d say DO IT, because a big fancy new stadium would probably increase the value of the franchise more than the 30% Mark would give up, but the minority investors might be an issue.
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I thought the Downtown LA Stadium group wanted a percentage ownership in the team and not Roski and his city of industry people?
If Roski or anyother group wanted 30% ownership as a trade off for an NFL team moving in, then I think Mark would have done it by now.
I think the holdup is is the 20%-30% that old man Al sold to some investors 3-4 years ago to get some extra money and waste it on POS players like Walker, Hall, and Russell!
February 4th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
253-you need a history lesson,son.Davis wouldn’t have left if it wasn’t for Pistol Pete sticking his big nose into the picture and telling the commission we couldn’t move.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You guys really just don’t get it. The Raiders will get a new stadium when pigs fly. They are next to last in value and revenue earning capacity, #31 out of 32 NFL teams.
Raiders aren’t bringing the proper money and revenue making capacity to the table; no one will risk $1.5B on them.
All information in the pipeline and swirling around is jive. You all don’t understand basic economics. If the Raiders were worth several billion dollars and made a billion a year, so that the stadium developers and financiers could make their proper money in building and operating a new stadium, the Raiders would have their choice of stadiums.
But it isn’t so and won’t be so any time soon. Come out of your fanstasy land. What new stadium has been built for any team in the last 5 yrs except Dallas, in which Jerry Jones financed the stadium complex himself ??
February 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I thought the Downtown LA Stadium group wanted a percentage ownership in the team and not Roski and his city of industry people?
If Roski or anyother group wanted 30% ownership as a trade off for an NFL team moving in, then I think Mark would have done it by now.
I think the holdup is is the 20%-30% that old man Al sold to some investors 3-4 years ago to get some extra money and waste it on POS players like Walker, Hall, and Russell!
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https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Los_Angeles_Stadium
According to this article, Roski wants the 30%. Of course, if Wikipedia were wrong, it wouldn’t be the first time…
February 4th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
DKnight007, #258
Knight, I think you are on the right path. The pie has been cut up and there is not enough to go to Roski at this time. I live in Los Angeles and am familiar with the City of Industry site, about 20 miles due east of downtown LA.
The fierce environmental opposition and local opposition by Walnut, Diamond Bar, Rowland Heights notwithstanding, if the money was right the project would move forward.
The money is not right…..it’s all been brewing for years now and won’t happen any time soon.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
The Raiders are not worth enough money; that is the problem, period!
February 4th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
260.Hardline Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
You guys really just don’t get it. The Raiders will get a new stadium when pigs fly. They are next to last in value and revenue earning capacity, #31 out of 32 NFL teams.
Raiders aren’t bringing the proper money and revenue making capacity to the table; no one will risk $1.5B on them.
All information in the pipeline and swirling around is jive. You all don’t understand basic economics. If the Raiders were worth several billion dollars and made a billion a year, so that the stadium developers and financiers could make their proper money in building and operating a new stadium, the Raiders would have their choice of stadiums.
But it isn’t so and won’t be so any time soon. Come out of your fanstasy land. What new stadium has been built for any team in the last 5 yrs except Dallas, in which Jerry Jones financed the stadium complex himself ??
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Hardline,
Good take.
However, my rebuttal to them being #31 in value and revenue out of 32 teams, would be that it would seem be an ideal time for a developer/investor to work with the Raiders franchise and help build them a stadium.
The way I look at it, is that the only way to go from that #31 ranking is UP and not down….at least when it comes to an INVESTMENT opportunity to turn things around with the Raiders when it comes to value and making money and revenue.
Why the heck do you and others in here think I was screaming for Davis, McK and Trask to do whatever they can to bring back JON GRUDEN as head coach?
It wouldn’t be just about football with Gruden, it would be the promotion and marketability of the team shooting through the rood and they team would see a HUGE increase in Season Ticket Sales and more money would be made, just as long as they remain competitive, which they would under Gruden.
Then the team would look even more attractive to stadium developers or investors.
Sheesh.
Especially with stubborn old man Al not around anymore.
February 4th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Yo, when the Raiders return home to LA, I plan on doubling the amount of BJs I get during home games
How, you ask, Mr. Beeech Dawg, is this possible?
Glad you asked, oh dweeby blog goober! See, in my pre reserved VIP luxury box at Farmer’s Field, I’ve just received permission to install my own personalized DJ booth next to the PARTYDUDE 8000 Margarita Machine!
Do the math – Margs + Dope Beats = 2x the BJs
They’re reviewing my request to install an oven for mad pot brownies baking, should hear back on that by Wed, word
February 4th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Here’s an article on the Roski stadium from a few years ago:
http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2009/writers/jon_wertheim/10/22/nfl.la/index.html
February 4th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Master Beeecham, #265,
Master, when you get your next AIDS test, please, please remember to have a hepatitis spread done. My friend, was just diagnosed with liver cancer caused by long term Hep C infection, which he had no idea he had. One day a pain arose in his side; he checked it out and was diagnosed with liver cancer in a very advanced form.
Now he is in a terminal stage. It’s shocking and terrible, and a horrible waste of intelligence and talent: he’s only 50 yrs old.
He was like you, had 3 to 4 gf’s at all times, partied and had a good time. The one thing he neglected was to maintain his health status. Hep C is a horrible disease, as is the liver cancer it brings with it.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
170.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Ideal situation is to go to Santa Clara for 2 years, while Al Davis Park is built right where the stadium is at today.
But one way or another, the team needs a new park. Since we came back in ‘95, almost 3/4 of NFL teams have built a new stadium or rebuilt their current one.
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Id rather see the team play home games at Cal, if there was a need to while a new stadium in Oakland was being built or the existing faciltiy was being renovated. They’ve played there before, if memory serves.
That has a better feel to it for me than playing in the Niners’ new digs. Either share a stadium permanently, or keep ‘em completely separate.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Hardline Brah, that’s a bummer about your friend
But don’t worry, the Beeech Dawg always keeps the “Prize” under wraps.
I have the Beeech Dawgettes hit Costco once a month to stock up on Magnums and Volcanic Tanning Cream in bulk.
Gots to lay down the law, word
February 4th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Lefty? You’re saying Al wouldn’t have left if not for Roselle challenging him? REALLY? Al left on a dare? That’s one of the dumbest comments you’ve made, and that says a lot.
Al thought he was all that, and that if Oakland didn’t cower to his demands, he would go south, where he thought he would sell out anywhere he went. He didn’t. Came back with tail between legs, with the league laughing at him.
There’s your history lesson, son.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
It’s convenient how some of you forget the cards Hue was dealt before and during the season in his FIRST year as HC.
Old man Al hires a POS crap DC Chuck B to run the D and most of us knew when that happened, the team would lose games because of this, which wound up to be proven TRUE during the season with the DEFENSIVE collapses vs Buffalo, Denver, Detroit and SD. Let alone the D not even showing up versus Miami and Green Bay.
Hue had to deal with his legendary owner and defacto GM dying and then had to deal being in charge of roster moves and then with his starting QB getting hurt for half the season and had to deal with his best offensive weapon in DMC being hurt for half the season also. That’s some serious adversity for any head coach, let alone a first year head coach to deal with. Plus, other important offensive weapons Ford, Moore, Murphy and T Jones were out for anywhere between 5-8 games as well.
All of this and the Chuck B led defense still sucked and played like chickens with their heads cut off for most of the season.
I won’t give Hue a pass on penalties though or talking too much when he shouldn’t have. However, penalties have plagued this team for years, and it didn’t matter which coach was running the ship.
Let’s hope Allen can turn it around with the penalties or will he be shell shocked like other previous Raider coaches were when they arrived here and saw how the refs treated the Raiders on the field with plenty of questionable BS calls? We shall see….
February 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hardline,
Good take.
However, my rebuttal to them being #31 in value and revenue out of 32 teams, would be that it would seem be an ideal time for a developer/investor to work with the Raiders franchise and help build them a stadium.
The way I look at it, is that the only way to go from that #31 ranking is UP and not down….at least when it comes to an INVESTMENT opportunity to turn things around with the Raiders when it comes to value and making money and revenue.
Why the heck do you and others in here think I was screaming for Davis, McK and Trask to do whatever they can to bring back JON GRUDEN as head coach?
It wouldn’t be just about football with Gruden, it would be the promotion and marketability of the team shooting through the rood and they team would see a HUGE increase in Season Ticket Sales and more money would be made, just as long as they remain competitive, which they would under Gruden.
Then the team would look even more attractive to stadium developers or investors.
Especially with stubborn old man Al not around anymore you know what I mean?
What I’m saying is, the value and revenue capabilities of the Raiders can’t get any worse, so as a potential investor/developer, the only way to is back UP for the Raiders and the money, generated revenue and value of the team will follow and go right back up right?
February 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Raiders are playing in Santa Clara.
Guaranteed.
You know it. I know it. Everyone knows it. The Niners did what Al could not, and what Marc will never do.
The NFL will bump up the money to 300 mil, like they did in NY.
The Niners raised 800 mil in loans.
You really think the Raiders would be loaned that?
Never happen.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
#Raiders considering Stanford DC Jason Tarver perhaps b/c he is one that they are allowed to consider. Options have been thinning
February 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hardline,
Good take.
However, my rebuttal to them being #31 in value and revenue out of 32 teams, would be that it would seem be an ideal time for a developer/investor to work with the Raiders franchise and help build them a stadium.
The way I look at it, is that the only way to go from that #31 ranking is UP and not down….at least when it comes to an INVESTMENT opportunity to turn things around with the Raiders when it comes to value and making money and revenue.
Why the heck do you and others in here think I was screaming for Davis, McK and Trask to do whatever they can to bring back JON GRUDEN as head coach?
It wouldn’t be just about football with Gruden, it would be the promotion and marketability of the team shooting through the rood and they team would see a HUGE increase in Season Ticket Sales and more money would be made, just as long as they remain competitive, which they would under Gruden.
Then the team would look even more attractive to stadium developers or investors.
Especially with stubborn old man Al not around anymore you know what I mean?
What I’m saying is, the value and revenue capabilities of the Raiders can’t get any worse, so as a potential investor/developer, the only way to is back UP for the Raiders and the money, generated revenue and value of the team will follow and go right back up right?
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You don’t know anything about investors, do you? 800 million of their dollars for a team at the bottom, with the idea the team can only go up? Would you invest a fortune with a hope the team gets out of the cellar?
February 4th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
#Raiders considering Stanford DC Jason Tarver perhaps b/c he is one that they are allowed to consider. Options have been thinning
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Whitt’s interview must not have gone well.
https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Jason_Tarver
February 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Per Twitter, Tim Brown is saying that neither he nor any WRs got in to the HoF this year.
HoF voters are ignorant boogerheads.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
274.YoungAmerican Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
@JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
#Raiders considering Stanford DC Jason Tarver perhaps b/c he is one that they are allowed to consider. Options have been thinning
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This is terrible. Another situation like last year.
Getting bottom of the barrel retreads or reaching for coaches to run the D…AGAIN??
What a nightmare.
What about Ed Donatell?
February 4th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Carter and Reed are still finalists.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
It’s convenient how some of you forget the cards Hue was dealt before and during the season in his FIRST year as HC.
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What seems to be lost on the remaining Hue supprters in here is that it isn’t only Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie that doesn’t want Hue to be a part of their organization.
It seems that the rest of the league feels the same way. When Ron Wolf said that he knows Hue by reputation only, it seems that the reputation he was referring to was not a good one.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
275.FormerlyGoodOle00 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hardline,
Good take.
However, my rebuttal to them being #31 in value and revenue out of 32 teams, would be that it would seem be an ideal time for a developer/investor to work with the Raiders franchise and help build them a stadium.
The way I look at it, is that the only way to go from that #31 ranking is UP and not down….at least when it comes to an INVESTMENT opportunity to turn things around with the Raiders when it comes to value and making money and revenue.
Why the heck do you and others in here think I was screaming for Davis, McK and Trask to do whatever they can to bring back JON GRUDEN as head coach?
It wouldn’t be just about football with Gruden, it would be the promotion and marketability of the team shooting through the rood and they team would see a HUGE increase in Season Ticket Sales and more money would be made, just as long as they remain competitive, which they would under Gruden.
Then the team would look even more attractive to stadium developers or investors.
Especially with stubborn old man Al not around anymore you know what I mean?
What I’m saying is, the value and revenue capabilities of the Raiders can’t get any worse, so as a potential investor/developer, the only way to is back UP for the Raiders and the money, generated revenue and value of the team will follow and go right back up right?
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You don’t know anything about investors, do you? 800 million of their dollars for a team at the bottom, with the idea the team can only go up? Would you invest a fortune with a hope the team gets out of the cellar?
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I sure do know about investing.
It’s about paying as little as possible and then generating a long term steady return and payout.
As an investor, I look at the Raiders as a franchise that already has a rich tradition and does well with merchandising, and has all the potential in the world to increase their value, net worth and revenue…ESPCIALLY now that the stubborn, delusional owner old man Al is not running things anymore.
February 4th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
277.RaiderDuck Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Per Twitter, Tim Brown is saying that neither he nor any WRs got in to the HoF this year.
HoF voters are ignorant boogerheads.
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Until Cliff Branch, Ray Guy and Tom Flores are there the Hall of Fame does not exist for me.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
280.edward teach Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
It’s convenient how some of you forget the cards Hue was dealt before and during the season in his FIRST year as HC.
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What seems to be lost on the remaining Hue supprters in here is that it isn’t only Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie that doesn’t want Hue to be a part of their organization.
It seems that the rest of the league feels the same way. When Ron Wolf said that he knows Hue by reputation only, it seems that the reputation he was referring to was not a good one.
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What’s done is done. Some of the reasons some of these Hue haters come up with Hue on why Hue was fired, just because the team lost 4-5 games is not the reason.
The guy was dealt a bad hand in his first year and he did the most he could.
New owner and CEO didn’t want him around anymore and that what their call. IMO, it was a premature decision and they jumped the gun to quick on him and we gotta hope Allen gets this turned around…or else we can be seeing another 4 years of struggling, when this team was one game away from the playoffs, DESPITE all the adversity Hue had to overcome in his first year.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
NO TIM BROWN. NO CHRIS CARTER. NO ANDRE REED. Damn.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
282.edward teach Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
277.RaiderDuck Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Per Twitter, Tim Brown is saying that neither he nor any WRs got in to the HoF this year.
HoF voters are ignorant boogerheads.
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Until Cliff Branch, Ray Guy and Tom Flores are there the Hall of Fame does not exist for me.
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Agreed! The HOF voting process by these biased dumb azz writers is a complete and utter JOKE!
They all need to have their voting privileges REVOKED!
February 4th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
284.Breaking_Black Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
NO TIM BROWN. NO CHRIS CARTER. NO ANDRE REED. Damn.
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Timmy is my boy and all, but quite honestly….NONE of these WR’s above should be in the HOF ahead of Cliff Branch.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Don’t forget about Plunkett.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
DKnight007, #278
DKnight, I think our new HC Allen pretty much has DC covered himself. There should be enough guys out there, still hireable, who can do the job at Allen’s command.
If I was Allen, being a defensive specialist, I would never hire a DC and give him complete autonomy.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Even if I stood under Reggie at the press conference and said I would hire a DC with complete independence etc. That’s a crock: if the “D” fails as woefully as last year, Allen’s head will on the line.
February 4th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
They just need to get some players and get rid of the slugs and schlubs. Except Boyd, bring back Jerome.
February 4th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
280.edward teach Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 4th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
It’s convenient how some of you forget the cards Hue was dealt before and during the season in his FIRST year as HC.
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What seems to be lost on the remaining Hue supprters in here is that it isn’t only Mark Davis and Reggie McKenzie that doesn’t want Hue to be a part of their organization.
It seems that the rest of the league feels the same way. When Ron Wolf said that he knows Hue by reputation only, it seems that the reputation he was referring to was not a good one.
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What’s done is done. Some of the reasons some of these Hue haters come up with Hue on why Hue was fired, just because the team lost 4-5 games is not the reason.
The guy was dealt a bad hand in his first year and he did the most he could.
New owner and CEO didn’t want him around anymore and that what their call. IMO, it was a premature decision and they jumped the gun to quick on him and we gotta hope Allen gets this turned around…or else we can be seeing another 4 years of struggling, when this team was one game away from the playoffs, DESPITE all the adversity Hue had to overcome in his first year.
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ya an he only had to win 2 out of the last five games
an couldn’t get the team to pull it out. That speaks volumes on why he may have Bern canned. Not to mention he ran his mouth to much. Promised everything an delivered boxes with bricks in them = nothing
February 6th, 2012 at 10:18 am
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