Raiders make Hoffman’s hire official
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 3rd, 2012 at 12:22 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The Raiders confirmed the hiring of special teams coach Steve Hoffman on their Web site and through their Twitter account and a press release.
Hoffman was most recently with the Kansas City Chiefs but was not retained on Romeo Crennel’s staff.
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February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
CODE CONDO SUCKAS!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
One?
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
2nd
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
D’oh
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Hoffman,
Figure out a guy who can fair catch a punt, and not watch it roll 15 yards after it lands.
Thanks,
Management
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Damn!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:24 pm
1st
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Or not
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Hoffman,
Figure out a guy who can fair catch a punt, and not watch it roll 15 yards after it lands.
Thanks,
Management
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Our guys let it bounce at the 40 and roll inside the 20, but fair catch it at the 5… go figure.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Put it this way…when we tailgate in D Lot, we’re usually looking at the North Entrance of Oracle!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Our guys let it bounce at the 40 and roll inside the 20, but fair catch it at the 5… go figure.
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Yeah, I liked bones, but that stuff was killing me.
For years we had this issue!!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Gregg Knapp is mediocre or below mediocre OC and play caller…until proven otherwise!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
” Internet Tough Guys” on the next Geraldo.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Put it this way…when we tailgate in D Lot, we’re usually looking at the North Entrance of Oracle!
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Gotcha.
We’ll figure it out. Thankfully, they have giant signs lol.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
got ya. dont have them here.. all we have is drive up liquor stores !! dont even have to get out of the car to get your cold beer, hard liquor , or mixed drink. (but they wont mix it for you any more, they just give you the mixer, a cup of ice and the miniture bottle of liquor).
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
I’m over the Knapp issue. Have some koolaid, and let’s move on.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
DMAC Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:26 pm
got ya. dont have them here.. all we have is drive up liquor stores !! dont even have to get out of the car to get your cold beer, hard liquor , or mixed drink. (but they wont mix it for you any more, they just give you the mixer, a cup of ice and the miniture bottle of liquor).
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Swear?
Drive up Liquor?
I need to open one of those in East Oakland. (my town)
I can make a killing!
Where you at?
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
14.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Put it this way…when we tailgate in D Lot, we’re usually looking at the North Entrance of Oracle!
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Gotcha.
We’ll figure it out. Thankfully, they have giant signs lol.
LOL…I believe directly behind D is B
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
673.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Here were the Top 10 highest paid RB’s of 2011
1. Jamaal Charles
2. Adrian Peterson
3. Steven Jackson
4. Darren McFadden
5. Maurice Jones-Drew
6. Michael Turner
7. Frank Gore
8. Brandon Jacobs
9. Chris Johnson
10. Cedric Benson
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Mav,
Charles missed the entire year. McFadden missed half the year
Benson, Peterson & MJD had rookie QB’s
the rest of those runners made the playoffs
Steven Jackson is the only guy I don’t have an excuse for, lol! … but he did carry the Rams to one game from clinching the NFC West last year with a rookie QB
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All of those RB’s have been hurt on and off in their career except for Chris Johnson really.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Yeah but Bones was a schemer. Guy could figure out how to find weakness in an opps blocking.
In a few more years, Lechler might have beaten Jamayonnaise on the Raider TD throw list…
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
southern Maryland
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:29 pm
15.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:28 pm
got ya. dont have them here.. all we have is drive up liquor stores !! dont even have to get out of the car to get your cold beer, hard liquor , or mixed drink. (but they wont mix it for you any more, they just give you the mixer, a cup of ice and the miniture bottle of liquor).
I miss those!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I swear they had one of those in SD about 23 years ago…
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
We beef up our line some and DMAC plays 12+ games I don’t see how we can’t avg 25-30 points a game. Even with Knapp who im not stoked about. Do any of you disagree with me?
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
RIP DJ Solomon
A Bay Area Native, the guy was a good mashup DJ and he was also the DJ at Warrior home games.
Sad.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Yeah, I liked bones, but that stuff was killing me.
For years we had this issue!!!
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I dont think Bones was anything special. He had Ford making him look good in the Kor game, and Hue’s aggressiveness with the play calling on STs again making him look good. Our coverage units have been pretty bad, and the blocking on Kor or Pr has been shoddy at best. Even the 2 blocks that one the game at KC were designed by Condo on something he noticed
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
they are a thing of beauty !! no more stumbling across the parking lot to another 30 pack !! lol lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Put it this way…when we tailgate in D Lot, we’re usually looking at the North Entrance of Oracle!
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Gotcha.
We’ll figure it out. Thankfully, they have giant signs lol.
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I’m easy to find.
Just look for the Mexiacn/Peruvian dude, thats gets mistaken for a whiteboy sometimes.
I’ll be wearing a Huffy Jersey w/ black jeans, a Raider hat, and Nikes.
lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
yo
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
raiderzmaverick Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
realtruraider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:22 am
Brian Billick had some good things to say on 95.7 today in regard to Knapp and how hes a ZBS and WC OC coming to coach where the star running back is better in a power scheme and the QB isn’t a rollout WC type of guy, He made it sound simple, he said if your coaching a RB thats better in a power scheme, well you better run more power scheme, If your QB is more of a pocket guy don’t make him rollout. simple, huh
OK, this is the part I hope he is right about. He also said Knapp is smart enough to know he has to play to the strength of his players. I hope Knapp has become smarter since the last time he was here and has learned some things, like don’t force the ZBS on DMC. Pretty simple right, lets hope so
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I posted this last night, now after doing more research and reading tweets from John Clayton, I am convinced Knapp will force his schemes on our players, To be honest he sounds like a guy who is to set in is ways, hes just not creative enough to think outside the box, with that said I expect big changes to come on offense, regarding personal and such, almost a complete overhaul. I myself strongly disagree if this is the route he takes, he needs to scheme to our players stengths, thats what good creative OCs do period.
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This is exactly what I am worried about. He seemed to try the exact same thing year after year despite having totally different QBs (he had Vick in Atlanta for god sakes and tried to make him a pocket passer only).
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
My brother is in Silver Springs, MD.
He says there are a lot of SMIB’s around him.
Southern Maryland In Breeds
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
CODE PURPLE
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Solid hire, long resume, worked with some good kickers and he can teach you how to kick online!
http://hoffmankicking.com/wordpress/?page_id=17
Hope he can improve the coverage teams.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:32 pm
and seems like there is one on every block, unless you are in the city, then there are two on every block !!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I think the ST coverage guys missed Gunner Hiram and maybe Sam Will. Eugene was pretty money, even Stevie Brown made some plays. Seemed like we missed that in ‘11
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:31 pm
they are a thing of beauty !! no more stumbling across the parking lot to another 30 pack !! lol lol
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Yeah, you can just pull up drunk ass Phuck and side swipe the store on your way out.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Peruvian eh?
I like your native girls.
Thick, almost white, don’t speak good English, lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Peace out ya’ll!
Gotta run.
Ya’ll have a nice, solid, safe weekend.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Out of the top 15 RBs in the league, only 5 made the playoffs.
Can’t argue it man.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Yeah, you can just pull up drunk ass Phuck and side swipe the store on your way out.
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LMAO
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I just added to my bucket list stiff arming Hiram eugene at the next game I attend. Just because.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
oh hell if he is in Silver Springs not many smibs there, too far north !! gotta get to St. Marys, Charles or Calvert county to see the real deal!!
hell you cant even buy a 10oz budwieser in Silver Spring !! lol lol
welcome to Southern Maryland, where the women are large and the sheep are scared !! lol lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:39 pm
CODE KNAPP!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Hiram got hurt last year, on the drive that resulted from Hue botching (yes I said it Bcz) the coin toss.
The Hue Jackson era, in a nutshell.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm
where the women are large and the sheep are scared !! lol lol
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Sounds like the last batchelor party I went to!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Sounds like the last batchelor party I went to!
lol lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:42 pm
where the women are large and the sheep are scared !! lol lol
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LMFAO!!!
I think I am going to text him that one right now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
@R8er Mike
If the Baltimore game is not to late in the season I plan on going.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Reggie, Dennis & Greg got this!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Where the women are large and the sheep are scared? OUCH! May have to samck into on eof those drive through liquer stores…LOL
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
John Clayton, go stick your d1ck in a blender!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Here is a connection to an interesting Super Bowl ring article.
http://espn.go.com/nfl/rings
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
John Clayton, go stick your d1ck in a blender
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John Clayton has a mangina
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
53.HairyBush Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:48 pm
John Clayton, go stick your d1ck in a blender
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John Clayton has a mangina
Then I guess he already has!
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Does John Clayton go the same barber as Mark Davis?
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:50 pm
*to
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Palmer is experienced and good enough to adapt to Knapp;
Knapp is smart enough to have a few power running plays to adapt to DMac’s strengths;
Moore is talented enough and young to be trained in the west coast offense;
Ford is probably better suited for the west coast offense;
DHB’s game- button hooks are not a mainstay and are not suited for the west coast offense.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
New offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is expected to install a zone-blocking scheme in Oakland.
Darren McFadden never flourished under former coach Tom Cable’s zone-blocking scheme, only emerging once Hue Jackson molded the offense to his strengths. ESPN’s John Clayton suggests the Raiders will have to decide whether to re-sign free agent Michael Bush or trade McFadden this offseason. Knapp has been a decidedly run-heavy play-caller, though it’s odd that the Raiders are now installing an offense that won’t cater to the skills of its most dynamic player. Beat writer Steve Corkran suggested last week that McFadden could be dangled as a trade chip for new GM Reggie McKenzie.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Raider Nation-Station
Hiring the guy you burned continually last year as YOUR Special Teams Coach? Raiders make official what we announced earlier. KCs former ST Coach now works for Oakland.
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Yet another questionable hire.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
58. Yeah, known for catapulting lesser backs but DMC and Bush are a dream team back field anyone would love to have…except Reggie and Allen?
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:54 pm
We must be hiring someone from the Chargers next.
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:58 pm
58.HairyBush Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:52 pm
New offensive coordinator Greg Knapp is expected to install a zone-blocking scheme in Oakland.
Darren McFadden never flourished under former coach Tom Cable’s zone-blocking scheme, only emerging once Hue Jackson molded the offense to his strengths. ESPN’s John Clayton suggests the Raiders will have to decide whether to re-sign free agent Michael Bush or trade McFadden this offseason. Knapp has been a decidedly run-heavy play-caller, though it’s odd that the Raiders are now installing an offense that won’t cater to the skills of its most dynamic player. Beat writer Steve Corkran suggested last week that McFadden could be dangled as a trade chip for new GM Reggie McKenzie.
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Yep.
The hiring of ZBS hack Knapp, doesn’t make sense wit DMC. Bush is more of a ZBS runner than DMC.
If they McK dangles DMC as trade bait, he better get at LEAST a high 2nd Rounder and a 3rd and that’s IF some teamm does not want to give up their 1st and 3rd for him!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
The choice to be the next DC should be Ed Donatell, but of course that won’t happen, because it makes too much sense, so we will get stuck with a 33 year old REACH like Whitt Jr to end up calling plays as the DC.
Oooff! Ugh…
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Hairy, i will be at the Baltimore game. only time i get to see the RAIDERS play live is at b-more or the Redskins game. will have to hook up.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
looks like they may be blowing up the offense more than the defense. We still have to wait for the d cord and his scheme style.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Interesting…
Commissioner Roger Goodell announced Friday that Thursday night NFL Network games will expand from eight to 13 in 2012.
NFL Network will carry Thursday night games from Week 2 to Week 15. Goodell also revealed that all 32 teams will be guaranteed at least one prime time game over the course of the season. As long as fantasy owners have access to the internet and/or Twitter, injury updates shouldn’t be a concern for early-season Thursday games.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
62. Reggie might even do something stupid like trade him in the Division thinking “Oh, we’ll weaken them by taking their picks and saddling them with injuries!”
Who ever McFaqdden goes to will use him right and he’ll rule for years.
Guaranteed, he plays 12-14 games a season he’ll domiante. Cannot stress enough what a tremendous talent DMC is. Injuries have been a abberation.
Amazed by writers who claim “His upright running style to blame.”
For foot and hammy injuries?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
so 99% of Raider fans don’t think Carson Palmer and/or Darren McFadden will have any success under Dennis Allen in Greg Knapp’s offense because John Clayton (BSPN) said so ???
bwahahahahahahahahaha!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
66. Good point Hwndr
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Tru,
fair enough, but don’t quote Billick’s one line and follow it with a bunch of your opinions and pretend like he said it
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Alright man, I didn’t know it came out that way, thats not what I was trying to do.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:06 pm
67.RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:03 pm
62. Reggie might even do something stupid like trade him in the Division thinking “Oh, we’ll weaken them by taking their picks and saddling them with injuries!”
Who ever McFaqdden goes to will use him right and he’ll rule for years.
Guaranteed, he plays 12-14 games a season he’ll domiante. Cannot stress enough what a tremendous talent DMC is. Injuries have been a abberation.
Amazed by writers who claim “His upright running style to blame.”
For foot and hammy injuries?
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Oh I agree. If the Raiders trade DMC, than it would be beyond stupidity, UNLESS they get an offer they can’t refuse, like a 1st, a 3rd and a 2nd in a future draft or something.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I’m hearing from my secret source DMC’s injury may be a career ender.
Friend whos buddies with a Philly foot specialist says Eagles players have had these injuries and its not a problem in ost cases. They’ve recovered and gone on but thats not the word we’re getting.
MAYBE we’re prepping for life after McFadden not for the picks but because hes done for…
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:08 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Hairy, i will be at the Baltimore game. only time i get to see the RAIDERS play live is at b-more or the Redskins game. will have to hook up.
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I went to a game in Baltimore in 98′ we barely lost.
Any recommendations for stuff to do there (besides sheep lol). I’ll probaly do a 3 day weekend, I’ll be driving from Mass.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
68. I know right?! lol!
Clayton knows all…
HE claims cant afford both DMC and Bush? Pffft…I learned after years of listening to Jerry Mac the cap in Oakland is never a problem.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Guys, open question:
Do we NEED a high priced FA WR and if so which one?
Vincent Jackson had those TWO dui’s AND held out almost a whole season.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
No Mas Diamante Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 11:00 am
Raider O Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 10:11 am
If you people want to trade a WR, then trade Murphy.
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Agreedwith this. And Maybe Ford as well. He was another guy who didn’t see the field much. Like to see us cut housh, who has nothing left, and sign a top notch veteran WR. Schillens can hang for one more year. we also need to develop our young TE’s. That was a problem area lat year because we had to keep them in to block so much.
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Schilens is a FA and will be gone. Murphy never returned to 100% after his injury. He still might bring a 6th round pick. Ford needs to stay. He’s our future PR & possible KOR in addition to his WR duties.
#1 WR – Open
#2 WR – Ford
#3 WR – D-WOW
#4 WR – DHB
#5 WR – TJones – From RB to run the slot
#6 WR – Ausberry – From TE
I’d like to see us get DeSean Jackson in FA as our #1 WR position. He’s a definite play-maker and wants out of Phi.
I’d also like to see us pick up Marshawn Lynch from FA. Bush who now makes $2M will be gone. Marshawn now makes $1M. We should be able to get him for $2-$2.5M per year.
#1 RB – DMac
#2 RB – Lynch
#3 RB/KOR – TJones
#4 RB/ST – Cartwright
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Hairy, can beat the inner harbor. lots of bars and restrants, and sites to see. pretty cool place to hang out. or head out to Fells Point. and when you are here you gotta get some Chesapeake Blue crabs.or try the crab cakes.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:09 pm
68. I know right?! lol!
Clayton knows all…
HE claims cant afford both DMC and Bush? Pffft…I learned after years of listening to Jerry Mac the cap in Oakland is never a problem.
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The way things are situated pertaining to the cap, teams can technically never be over the cap by moving money to future years or signing bounuses and stuff like that. I tottaly agree with Jerry when a team cries about the cap they usually just don’t want to pay someone. “cap casualty” what a laugh.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:13 pm
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
You guys can be too funny sometimes:
raiderzmaverick Says:
What Jackson was sattled with was…
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C’mon Mav — With a name like Maverick, you’ve got to know how to spell saddle!
The great Raiders fan, and original Maverick, Jim Garner might have to straighten you out, son.
Now saddle-up.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
75.RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Guys, open question:
Do we NEED a high priced FA WR and if so which one?
Vincent Jackson had those TWO dui’s AND held out almost a whole season.
How about Desean Jackson IF he’s not tagged, which I believe he will be!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
“Guaranteed, he plays 12-14 games a season he’ll domiante”
Really you are guaranteeing that he will play that much?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:16 pm
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Hairy, can beat the inner harbor. lots of bars and restrants, and sites to see. pretty cool place to hang out. or head out to Fells Point. and when you are here you gotta get some Chesapeake Blue crabs.or try the crab cakes.
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Sounds good to me, I can definetley see stuffing the gullet with Crab cakes and beer. Get me a cheap motel and a Raider victory and I’m a happy man!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Desean Jackson
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DJax is talented but probaly the opposite of what Shannarat 2.0 is trying to accomplish.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:17 pm
78.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
“How about Desean Jackson IF he’s not tagged, which I believe he will be!”
We already have a pair of smurfs at WR we need a taller WR.
besides would you really want him after all the sulking he did last year not a team player at all!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:19 pm
85.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:18 pm
“How about Desean Jackson IF he’s not tagged, which I believe he will be!”
We already have a pair of smurfs at WR we need a taller WR.
besides would you really want him after all the sulking he did last year not a team player at all!
True!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Clayton knows all…
HE claims cant afford both DMC and Bush? Pffft…I learned after years of listening to Jerry Mac the cap in Oakland is never a problem.
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X,
We’re on the same page. Clayton is a Raider hating clown. a media bigot trying to drive up twitter hits and it’s actually working. Raider fans are taking the bait and our AFC West foes are probably getting all excited.
Is Clayton operating with a crystal ball? He’s certainly not a coach. Where is he getting his info from?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:20 pm
83. DeSeans a Destraction. He wants a BIG contract and Philly, usually not known for such things face planted after breaking the bank last year.
DeSean may be Philly gone, but Oaklands not a great landing spot for a trouble maker. I like Schilens skillins but the injuries, oy vey…
Murphy? Agree with RNS early last season when they said he’d lost his edge.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Anybody from the deep South?
There’s a chain of drive-thru liquor stores called The Barn…and you literally drive straight through the barn doors to enter and leave…the employees put what you want in the car for you.
Mixed drinks?? Sure…they used to just put a piece of tape over the straw, and it wasn’t an open container anymore! Genius.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
All of the outrage behind letting suanders go, and hiring knapp is down right laughable.
Why would a rookie coach and gm keep hold overs from a previous regime? Think of it, if we kept the old guard i tact and it flopped then we are left with the specter of starting over on offense in year two as opposed to everyone starting fresh together.
Who cares if dmac flounders in the zone scheme. No doubt he was one of my favorite college stars, and when healthy he is open of the best in the nfl, but when is he ever healthy? trading him makes perfect sense now, we already know what life is like without him. the running game will be fine, bush is very good in the zone scheme. If we keep dmac and he gets hurt again, his stock will drop off the face of the earth.
Palmer did not play well in the saunders hu jack system. He was thought to have the tools to do it, but he fell on his face. If he struggled to learn an offense that was made for him, what evidence is there that he will do well learning another offense that doesnt fit his so called skill set? As of march 6th (i think its the sixth) palmer will be the only qb on the roster that i would want to start in 2012. However he will only be a seat warming stop gap, until the new regime gets their guy.
Dmac’s health and palmers picks and lack of ability to run the wco mean they are now on the bubble. Dmac has a more immediate trade need as we have a capable guy waiting in the wings. Palmer may have to wait until 2013 before he gets unloaded. Big mack and allen can either keep him as a lame duck rental for a year or trade him now.
I would package them both and move into first round. Its far fetched but not impossible. Cleveland needs a rb and a qb, take palmer and dmac and give us rgIII.
wishful thinking
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Who ever McFaqdden goes to will use him right and he’ll rule for years.
Guaranteed, he plays 12-14 games a season he’ll domiante. Cannot stress enough what a tremendous talent DMC is. Injuries have been a abberation.
Amazed by writers who claim “His upright running style to blame.”
For foot and hammy injuries?
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What’s funny is that he doesn’t run like that anymore.
I really think the national guys do more guessing and projecting based on the past than what’s actually happening with the team, which is why I take anything but an actual announcement with a grain of salt.
Think about it; whenever you read opinion or speculation from one of those guys about the Raiders it’s usually pretty off-base.
Multiply that by 32, and you get the idea.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I heard on the NFL network that the franchise tag for players could be reduced by as much as 25-30% from where it was at last year, something to do with the new CBA,
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:31 pm
We don’t need another WR, that’s one of our best units!
We need a athletic TE and if we can get value for DMAC, trade him.
You don’t win the SB with a top running back anyways. Look at Ahmad Bradshaw, dude is playing with a Broken Foot. I would trade DMAC, sign M Lynch and bring in Bush at 3 million a year. No way we Franchise Tag him.
We need depth on the O Line..
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I also find it very telling that the same folks who kept wishing al davis to get a gm, now are satisfied with what big mack has done.
Hired allen, revoked palmers golden ticket, made dmac trad bait.
i dont have a problem with it, but you cant please everybody
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:23 pm
All of the outrage behind letting suanders go, and hiring knapp is down right laughable.
Why would a rookie coach and gm keep hold overs from a previous regime? Think of it, if we kept the old guard i tact and it flopped then we are left with the specter of starting over on offense in year two as opposed to everyone starting fresh together.
Who cares if dmac flounders in the zone scheme. No doubt he was one of my favorite college stars, and when healthy he is open of the best in the nfl, but when is he ever healthy? trading him makes perfect sense now, we already know what life is like without him. the running game will be fine, bush is very good in the zone scheme. If we keep dmac and he gets hurt again, his stock will drop off the face of the earth.
Palmer did not play well in the saunders hu jack system. He was thought to have the tools to do it, but he fell on his face. If he struggled to learn an offense that was made for him, what evidence is there that he will do well learning another offense that doesnt fit his so called skill set? As of march 6th (i think its the sixth) palmer will be the only qb on the roster that i would want to start in 2012. However he will only be a seat warming stop gap, until the new regime gets their guy.
Dmac’s health and palmers picks and lack of ability to run the wco mean they are now on the bubble. Dmac has a more immediate trade need as we have a capable guy waiting in the wings. Palmer may have to wait until 2013 before he gets unloaded. Big mack and allen can either keep him as a lame duck rental for a year or trade him now.
I would package them both and move into first round. Its far fetched but not impossible. Cleveland needs a rb and a qb, take palmer and dmac and give us rgIII.
wishful thinking
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Just want to touch on a few of your points-
To say Palmer did not play very well is not a true statement. He struggled the first few games but he got better and was respectable to say the least. Give him an offseason with his teammates and then judge. I am positive the interceptions will go down with a better report with the wideouts. You and I know both know that Palmer was not the reason we lost to Detroit and San Diego.
The trade DMAC talk is rediculous unless it is for a proven player. I am a big fan of Bush (hence the screen name) But let’s face it he is not a game breaker. Anytime DMAC touches the ball there is the possiblilty of it being a long range score. If you take away that threat it in no way helps us. Could he get injured next year again? It is possible, Considering the options it is well worth the risk.
I say give this team at least 1 year before going and blowing it up. There is enough offensive talent to warrant a longer look.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Hayes, i have been to the Carolinas and they have BREW THRU..same deal drive through the middle of the store !!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:37 pm
I say trade DMAC if and only if you can get a first-rounder for him. Otherwise, he’s got too much upside.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
agreed duck.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
There is no way we trade Palmer forget about and move on to another topic!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:41 pm
“I say trade DMAC if and only if you can get a first-rounder for him. Otherwise, he’s got too much upside.”
There is no way we can get a high pick for a guy who is considered to be injured right now. If it were the middle of the season and he was playing and showing teams he is not hurt then maybe yeah we could get a 1st or second round pick for him.
But as far as the other 31 teams are concerned he is still injured and has low value right now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
HairyBush Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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Just want to touch on a few of your points-
To say Palmer did not play very well is not a true statement. He struggled the first few games but he got better and was respectable to say the least. Give him an offseason with his teammates and then judge. I am positive the interceptions will go down with a better report with the wideouts. You and I know both know that Palmer was not the reason we lost to Detroit and San Diego.
The trade DMAC talk is rediculous unless it is for a proven player. I am a big fan of Bush (hence the screen name) But let’s face it he is not a game breaker. Anytime DMAC touches the ball there is the possiblilty of it being a long range score. If you take away that threat it in no way helps us. Could he get injured next year again? It is possible, Considering the options it is well worth the risk.
I say give this team at least 1 year before going and blowing it up. There is enough offensive talent to warrant a longer look.
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16 picks in 9 games is horrendous no matter how you slice it. Even his “getting better” as the season went on wasnt good enough. The only differnce I saw from the first game he played in for us and the last game was that the defense did palmer favors dropping sure picks. I would say he played poorly and the numbers bear me witness.
I agree with dmac having upside, but his back side is always on the bench injured. We dont need bush to be a game breaker, the wco is a pass first offense, and your wr group become the focal point. Just give me a guy that moves the chains and can answer the bell every week.
Dmac and palmer are not built for this new offense. i dont see how we can expect palmer to play better with an offseason, its a brand new offense.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The Raiders in 1976, year of their first Superbowl victory, were anything but business-like. That is what made the Raiders, the Raiders.
It was their swashbuckling, un-orthodox ways, killer hits by the D, bold risky plays by the O, the unconventional backgrounds and tactics of the greatest players in football whose greatest talent was winning football games and a never-say-die attitude.
Most in here are too young to remember those days, and so they get confused as to who and what the Raiders are.
And that is a shame.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Mistic1
Where will Jason Campbell start next year or will he stay on as a backup?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
As phenomenal a talent DMC is…he’s always had health issues to deal with. He hurt his toes and shoulders in college, but managed to put together a great college career playing hurt a lot.
Problem is…in 4-years, we’ve seen one truly solid superstar-like year put on the board (and it wasn’t over-the-top great). That’s not promising, and it isn’t what the Raiders drafted him for. DMC can have a 10-year career, and accumulate no more than 5,000-6,000 yards…while his team suffers every time he’s out. Risky with all RB’s…but DMC has a history.
If DMC’s feet are healthy enough to pass his physical, I once again throw my hat into the trade-him circle. He’s a great, but fragile, talent. Take a good deal for him if one can be found.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
94.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I also find it very telling that the same folks who kept wishing al davis to get a gm, now are satisfied with what big mack has done.
Hired allen, revoked palmers golden ticket, made dmac trad bait.
i dont have a problem with it, but you cant please everybody
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Well, you got the first one right anyway. According to Allen, Palmer is unquestionably the Raiders’ starting quarterback. He’s come out publicly on at least two media outlets and said it. As far as DMac being “trade bait”, maybe you’d care to back that one up with something other than your opinion? I’ve seen nothing to substantiate that at all.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
AL Davis was the ring leader of this crew: his genius was giving his players their lead, turning them loose, and in the end receiving the booty and spoils they won.
That was a time of genius, rebellion, and insurrection.
But then the world changed. The merger took place, the NFL was formed and teams became business-like. AL neglected his team and made more money suing the NFL, Pete Rossell, and the city of Oakland than he did winning football games. Meanwhile, the sport evolved economically, and AL was left behind; his style of management just didn’t work as football became a 12 month per year industry. The more he tried the more it eluded AL, until finally he sank into the oblivion of old age and dementia, and then became a laughing-stock.
The players (and staff) the Raiders now have, just don’t figure: the Raiders at their greatest were blue collar, working class players. There would have been no DMAC sitting out 9 games with a sprained foot or an aching toe. Teams would have never run right through the old Raiders. Most every game QB’s would fall and be out for the count. Causing concussions was a good thing back then. You would never see a JC, bottom lip hanging down to his knees, the Raiders settling for a “game manager”. It was attack, attack, attack.
Before the Raiders can transistion to dynasty they have to know who and what they are, players and staff. That may be no longer possible.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
@RUSSLANDE Russell Lande
@RAIDERS – OAK makes grt hire as Hoffman is an elite special teams coach. KC made huge mistake getting rid of person who found PK R. Succop.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:39 pm
There is no way we trade Palmer forget about and move on to another topic!
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you are probably right, im thinking he will stick until 2013 because we dont have qb ready to go under contract. I also dont think his trade value is very high, and his salary stinks to high heaven for any potential suitors. The only way a team takes palmer is if we give them something else along with him. this is why i suggested packaging dmac and palmer
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:51 pm
I like Palmer but if we’re running the WCO and he’s not a WCO guy, then we need a qb who can run it. DMAC has MVP talent and I’d keep him even with his injury history, but if he’s not productive in a ZBS then he shouldn’t be a Raider. Flynn? Peyton? Lynch? Bush/TJ?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Can anyone possibly compare the running tandem of Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson with McGlassfeet and Michael Bush ?
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
We’re not gonna get any value for DMC now… Other teams know his history of injury… Our best hope is he comes back healed and ready to rip it up….and Palmer is gonna be our starter ….anyone thinking he fell on his face is full of nonsense …the guy came in cold … Can’t expect him to come in and play like anything other than a guy that just came off the couch … He’s gonna come to camp and start the season prepared … He wasn’t prepared when he got here and he said so … He didn’t believe the bengals would let him go….the Raiders paid a steep price for Palmer so I’m hoping it pays off …
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
edward teach Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:49 pm
94.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I also find it very telling that the same folks who kept wishing al davis to get a gm, now are satisfied with what big mack has done.
Hired allen, revoked palmers golden ticket, made dmac trad bait.
i dont have a problem with it, but you cant please everybody
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Well, you got the first one right anyway. According to Allen, Palmer is unquestionably the Raiders’ starting quarterback. He’s come out publicly on at least two media outlets and said it. As far as DMac being “trade bait”, maybe you’d care to back that one up with something other than your opinion? I’ve seen nothing to substantiate that at all.
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well you know how pro sports work. A new regime means everybody is on the table. i did not mean to sound as if i read anywhere that the team is actively shopping dmac. I would bet though that they are listening to offers that come in, though that is just prudent diligence, and dmac clearly is our best trade option.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Can anyone possibly compare the running tandem of Marcus Allen and Bo Jackson with McGlassfeet and Michael Bush ?
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Techmo bowl says no!
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I think there would be some teams willing to give up a 1st, could you imagine a team like the Pats, lions, Packers, with DMC, he would make there Offense that more dangerous. Defenses would have a hard time trying to stop there explosive running game with there great passing game.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:45 pm
HairyBush Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:36 pm
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Just want to touch on a few of your points-
To say Palmer did not play very well is not a true statement. He struggled the first few games but he got better and was respectable to say the least. Give him an offseason with his teammates and then judge. I am positive the interceptions will go down with a better report with the wideouts. You and I know both know that Palmer was not the reason we lost to Detroit and San Diego.
The trade DMAC talk is rediculous unless it is for a proven player. I am a big fan of Bush (hence the screen name) But let’s face it he is not a game breaker. Anytime DMAC touches the ball there is the possiblilty of it being a long range score. If you take away that threat it in no way helps us. Could he get injured next year again? It is possible, Considering the options it is well worth the risk.
I say give this team at least 1 year before going and blowing it up. There is enough offensive talent to warrant a longer look.
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16 picks in 9 games is horrendous no matter how you slice it. Even his “getting better” as the season went on wasnt good enough. The only differnce I saw from the first game he played in for us and the last game was that the defense did palmer favors dropping sure picks. I would say he played poorly and the numbers bear me witness.
I agree with dmac having upside, but his back side is always on the bench injured. We dont need bush to be a game breaker, the wco is a pass first offense, and your wr group become the focal point. Just give me a guy that moves the chains and can answer the bell every week.
Dmac and palmer are not built for this new offense. i dont see how we can expect palmer to play better with an offseason, its a brand new offense
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Some of the picks were no doubt Palmers fault. There were several that could easily been avoided had our wideout been a little more aggresive or finished running there routes.
Even though there will probaly be a new system in place next year my point is Carson has a lot more time to mesh with his receivers. (like Soup did in the offseason last year) That in itself should make a drastic difference. Palmer and DMAC are high risk high reward, and it’s not time to give up just yet.
Haven’t you waited long enough for a winning season? If we win it makes us more attractive to free agents in coming years, Perhaps even for market value and not over paying like we used to. I try to see the big picture, Unless there are some proven options out there that want to come to Oakland we are better off having the group we have grow and mature together.
Enough with the changes and build around this core.
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:57 pm
POST-110 I CAN SEE THE BO-DMAC COMPARISON..BOTH GOOD FOR 1/2 A SEASON..
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:58 pm
fingers Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:52 pm
.and Palmer is gonna be our starter ….anyone thinking he fell on his face is full of nonsense …the guy came in cold … Can’t expect him to come in and play like anything other than a guy that just came off the couch
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i understand your optimisim only i remember watching the final game of the season where i counted 2 passes bounce right off defenders chest. I dont think you can attribute that to rust.
Lets hold out hope he can play in a new offense, I just havnt seen any evidence that suggest he will.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:00 pm
102.Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The Raiders in 1976, year of their first Superbowl victory, were anything but business-like. That is what made the Raiders, the Raiders.
It was their swashbuckling, un-orthodox ways, killer hits by the D, bold risky plays by the O, the unconventional backgrounds and tactics of the greatest players in football whose greatest talent was winning football games and a never-say-die attitude.
Most in here are too young to remember those days, and so they get confused as to who and what the Raiders are.
And that is a shame.
Good Post!
Yes, I miss those days! I was still a young buck back then but that was a great year…there is a debate on which Raider team was greater,76 or 83…being around that time (fan since 74), it’s still hard for me to pick…too close!
Anyways…I think due to the rules now and how protective the league is on receivers and qb’s…it’s hard to be that way now days! Many of the fans who screamed for an executive overhaul probably weren’t around during this time! The Glory Years!
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Techmo bowl says no!
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lol
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:02 pm
And the 2nd and 3rd choices are falling into place…
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
102.Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The Raiders in 1976, year of their first Superbowl victory, were anything but business-like. That is what made the Raiders, the Raiders.
It was their swashbuckling, un-orthodox ways, killer hits by the D, bold risky plays by the O, the unconventional backgrounds and tactics of the greatest players in football whose greatest talent was winning football games and a never-say-die attitude.
Most in here are too young to remember those days, and so they get confused as to who and what the Raiders are.
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I am not old enough where I got to watch thoses games live but I have done my history with the Raiders. That being said-Excellent post!
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Mistic1
Where will Jason Campbell start next year or will he stay on as a backup?
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good question, i think it all depends on what happens here. There is no way he stays to back up palmer.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
I’d be cool with no Palmer/ DMAC… If we had Peyton/Foster
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Three finalists for KC’s OC; Al Saunders, Brian Daboll, Jim Zorn.
Cardinals likely to promote offensive assistant John McNulty to be their next QB coach.
Looks like Hue is still on the market…errr… unemployed.
The curious case of Hue Jackson
February, 3, 2012
Bill Williamson
What is going on with Hue Jackson?
Not much.
In one of the more surprising developments on the coaching carousel the past few weeks, the former Oakland Raiders’ coach is not getting much interest on the assistant-coaching circuit.
Jackson interviewed to be the offensive coordinator in St. Louis and he interviewed as quarterbacks coach in Arizona. He wasn’t hired. Jackson has been bypassed for interviews elsewhere. There are openings in Pittsburgh and Tampa Bay and perhaps Jackson will be in play there. Nothing has developed yet, though.
Further clouding the Jackson situation is the fact that his offensive coordinator in Oakland, Al Saunders, is a finalist for the Kansas City offensive coordinator job. This is no shot at Saunders, but something is going on here. Saunders is a fine coach who has a lot of experience and who is well respected around the league.
But it was Jackson’s offense in Oakland. Jackson called the plays. You’d think he’d get some interest before his lieutenant.
Perhaps Jackson will land somewhere, but for a coach who was unexpectedly fired, you’d think he’d already have a job. The Raiders were 8-8 in Jackson’s one season as a head coach and the offense made great strides under in him 2010 (when he was the coordinator) and in 2011. He was considered one of the bright, young offensive coaches in the league.
Now, he can’t get an assistant job.
Perhaps what helped get Jackson fired in Oakland is what is hurting him getting a new job. Jackson turned off folks with his attitude following the death of Al Davis in October. After the final game of the season, Jackson infamously chastised Oakland’s players and vowed to take on a bigger role in all aspects of the organization.
Perhaps perspective employees are hesitant to bring on personality like that. It’s too bad, because Jackson is a quality football coach who deserves to have a job by now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:09 pm
hu jack played himself, he should have stayed in his lane.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Perhaps perspective employees are hesitant to bring on personality like that. It’s too bad, because Jackson is a quality football coach who deserves to have a job by now.
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yup
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Hu jack’s jacket
1.) gifted play caller
2.) too loquacious
3.) duplicitous and untrustworthy
4.) very ambitious
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:20 pm
“hu jack played himself, he should have stayed in his lane.”
He left the pocket!
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:26 pm
the two people that suffered the biggest set backs after the death of al davis. Hu jack and jc
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer.fell on his face..? I guess I just imagined him throwing for over 300 yards in multiple games, plus, we can take three ints away from his total in that first game….he made some mistKe but whY qb wouldn’t after coming out of retirement
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
127.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Hu jack’s jacket
1.) gifted play caller
2.) too loquacious
3.) duplicitous and untrustworthy
4.) very ambitious
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2,3 and 4 make up a bad combo. Pitt is his only hope. Tomlin knows his job is safe.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
In analysing the value of DMAC consider the following:
Game 1 – Broncos: DMAC 150 yds rushing
Game 2 – Bills: DMAC 72 yds rushing
” 3 – Jets: ” 172 ” ”
” 4 – Pats ” 75 ” ”
” 5 – Texans ” 51 ” ”
” 6 – Browns ” 81 ” ”
Fact is, DMAC had a great games against the Broncos and the Jets. The Broncos were a team in total disarry both defensively and offensively, with a losing season carried over from the previous season. The Jets were suffering a melt-down and were no more than mediocre, with a defense that basically sucked.
The tier 1 teams with winning records, Pats, and the Texans, DMAC numbers were lower-average.
The Bills, were improving and had a vision, only to stifle DMAC at 72 yds, while the lowly, lowly Browns, serial losers, held DMAC to 81 yds.
After that DMAC was injured and out for the season.
My question is this: it seems DMAC ran right through 2 really bad teams at the time, Broncos and Jets, and was handled, and handled quite easily by the other teams. Excuse me if I am wrong, but where is the evidence of MVP talent, best runner in the league, only legitimate all-pro contender, etc., etc.
Personally I see DMAC as a better than average RB (but not great at all), who catches well, is stifled by tier 1 teams with winning records, and can’t get through more than a half season without being injured.
I say trade/cut him and in order to gain maximum value.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, #127
I agree with you Mistic1, except to say that HueJack was a gifted play caller is a great leap of the imagination. He is a natural born pimp and slick talker to dummies who will listen. He’s in the wrong business…..
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Didn’t Hue have a choice between the Bears and Raiders for the OC job?
bet the Bears would of hired Hue as OC, but I believe they promoted Tice before we released Hue.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:35 pm
I wish John Madden never invented Madden because some of you are just plain stupid general managers.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:36 pm
130.SharkCatcher Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer.fell on his face..? I guess I just imagined him throwing for over 300 yards in multiple games, plus, we can take three ints away from his total in that first game….he made some mistKe but whY qb wouldn’t after coming out of retirement
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Palmer’s interception total is his interception total. No excuses. And I don’t give a damn about his 300-yd games. His 2011 season played out just like the one he had in 2010. Bengals fans are happy he’s gone. Right now, he can’t hold JC’s jock. Fact.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer.fell on his face..? I guess I just imagined him throwing for over 300 yards in multiple games, plus, we can take three ints away from his total in that first game….he made some mistKe but whY qb wouldn’t after coming out of retirement
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throwing over 300 yards is cool, but it didnt produce wins.
300 yards is nice but 16 picks is awful.
If you want to take away ints due to rust , you should then add dropped ints. I dont think the last 3-4 games can be explained away with the stand bye excuse “fresh off the couch”. 9 games means he had his preseason and played in 5 regular season games. i still saw countless balls bouncing off defenders and that is a very bad omen.
Fell on his face is being kind
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:39 pm
hardline, you have to consider how many chances he had to run the ball, his average per carry is what? around 5 yards.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, #127
I agree with you Mistic1, except to say that HueJack was a gifted play caller is a great leap of the imagination. He is a natural born pimp and slick talker to dummies who will listen. He’s in the wrong business…
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I acnt argue with your take, he proved to be other than what he sold us on. However the offense was productive this year pre jc’s injury and last year. So I have to give hu jack credit for the points we scored. hell even palmer put up points a few times, so again hu jack deserves some credit for this
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
“Bengals fans are happy he’s gone. Right now, he can’t hold JC’s jock. Fact.”
Oh the enlightening words of JaMarcus Russell’s biggest fan!
So we gave up a 4th round pick for JC
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round for Palmer and somehow this logic is lost in your little brain.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Sapp said that McFadden’s first game as a pro he had to have a cortizone shot in his toe to play…95.7.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Fk Sapp
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:43 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
127.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Hu jack’s jacket
1.) gifted play caller
2.) too loquacious
3.) duplicitous and untrustworthy
4.) very ambitious
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2,3 and 4 make up a bad combo. Pitt is his only hope. Tomlin knows his job is safe.
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good call pitt would be a fit for hu jacks offense, and personality.
Just think though, if jc never had broken his collar bone, we would have made the playoffs (more than likely), and hu jack and he boys would be reloading for 2013!
the football gods can be so cruel at times
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
137.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer.fell on his face..? I guess I just imagined him throwing for over 300 yards in multiple games, plus, we can take three ints away from his total in that first game….he made some mistKe but whY qb wouldn’t after coming out of retirement
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throwing over 300 yards is cool, but it didnt produce wins.
300 yards is nice but 16 picks is awful.
If you want to take away ints due to rust , you should then add dropped ints. I dont think the last 3-4 games can be explained away with the stand bye excuse “fresh off the couch”. 9 games means he had his preseason and played in 5 regular season games. i still saw countless balls bouncing off defenders and that is a very bad omen.
Fell on his face is being kind
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All these lame excuses for Palmer make me want to vomit. The only reason the guy was sitting on his couch is because he quit on the team that made it possible for him to sock away “$80 million” in the bank. And they wanted to continue to give the guy $12 million per. Where’s the outrage?? And how long did he sit on the couch anyway? People act like the guy missed three years or something. Nobody in the NFL had minicamps or OTAs. And how much does the starting QB play in the preseason anyway? He missed 6 fckin games! Who the hell cares?? Capt Pick is a turnover machine, period.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
“Man’s got to know his limitations” – DH
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Saw this one, in responce to the Bill Williamson article on Huebert. On point.
“““““““““““““““““““““““““““` Barnavicious @LeviDamien translation, Hue got a invite to the boys club, then farted in the elevator on the way up. Now, no one wants to ride with him…
about 1 hour ago.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy…
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
hwnrdr, 118, HairyBush 121,
I remember one game in 1977 after the Raiders won the Superbowl. Headslaps against the QB by the defense were banned that year. Normally a defensive player, would break through the “O” line and slap the helmet of the QB. This would stun the QB leaving him vulnerable to the sack.
The Raiders were playing the Steelers and losing. Bradshaw was having a great game. In the 3rd quarter John Matsuzak made a spin move on a guard and got to Bradshaw with a head slap. A disoriented Bradshaw staggered for a second and Matsuzak fully body slammed him to the ground. Bradshaw didn’t move and in time was helped to the sidelines. Matsuzak was ejected from the game but the Raiders won, when the 2nd string QB entered the game and was repeatedly hit, knocked down and sacked by the great Raider D, including the safeties and CB’s too. Lester the Molestor got a few licks in as I remember. (for the record our former great “shutdown corner” Nnamdi Asomugha is and was a midget standing on the shoulders of giants).
I’ll never forget that one. It’s one wonder teams and opposing QB’s feared the Raiders, and bolted, like gun-shy dogs.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:49 pm
R8ERMIKE #15, Ah, the good old days in Northern Florida where pulling up to the drive thru booze store, was as normal as McDonalds!
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
140.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:40 pm
“Bengals fans are happy he’s gone. Right now, he can’t hold JC’s jock. Fact.”
Oh the enlightening words of JaMarcus Russell’s biggest fan!
So we gave up a 4th round pick for JC
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round for Palmer and somehow this logic is lost in your little brain.
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Another “blond moment” I see. Do you think I really give a fck what we gave up for him? How the hell does that change the fact that he can’t hold JC’s jock? By the way dmbass, Al Saunders was our OC last year, not Barry Sanders. Please STFU now.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:51 pm
being completely honest what we had going from the offseason to through the first 5 games of the season was magic. we had a synergy and a vibe that brought my silver and black heart joy. That was a time when i thought we could compete with any team in the league. it was the best football i have sen her since 2002, and i liked it even better because it was REAL RAIDER FOOTBALL!!!
It was the much maligned davis, with his rag tag bunch of cast offs and so called draft gaffs, ( jc, dmac, dhb) and they were kicking ass!!! It was us against the world in true raider tradition.
Once davis passed the wheels came off and our carriage turned into a pumpkin. now we are rebuilding yet again.
Fun while it lasted
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Michael Vick is a terrible QB, 14 INTs and 10 fumbles in 13 games…Is Michael Vick a turnover machine?
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:44 pm
137.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:37 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Palmer.fell on his face..? I guess I just imagined him throwing for over 300 yards in multiple games, plus, we can take three ints away from his total in that first game….he made some mistKe but whY qb wouldn’t after coming out of retirement
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throwing over 300 yards is cool, but it didnt produce wins.
300 yards is nice but 16 picks is awful.
If you want to take away ints due to rust , you should then add dropped ints. I dont think the last 3-4 games can be explained away with the stand bye excuse “fresh off the couch”. 9 games means he had his preseason and played in 5 regular season games. i still saw countless balls bouncing off defenders and that is a very bad omen.
Fell on his face is being kind
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All these lame excuses for Palmer make me want to vomit. The only reason the guy was sitting on his couch is because he quit on the team that made it possible for him to sock away “$80 million” in the bank. And they wanted to continue to give the guy $12 million per. Where’s the outrage?? And how long did he sit on the couch anyway? People act like the guy missed three years or something. Nobody in the NFL had minicamps or OTAs. And how much does the starting QB play in the preseason anyway? He missed 6 fckin games! Who the hell cares?? Capt Pick is a turnover machine, period.
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that just about sums it up bra
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The Raiders in 1976, year of their first Superbowl victory, were anything but business-like. That is what made the Raiders, the Raiders.
It was their swashbuckling, un-orthodox ways, killer hits by the D, bold risky plays by the O, the unconventional backgrounds and tactics of the greatest players in football whose greatest talent was winning football games and a never-say-die attitude.
Most in here are too young to remember those days, and so they get confused as to who and what the Raiders are.
And that is a shame.
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Yes, they were swashbuckling and unorthodox. And yes, that approach was very successful. In 1976. When Gerald Ford was in office and our current Commander in Chief was attending High School in Hawaii.
36 years later, we see an approach that has not worked for decades. It’s time for a new way of doing things.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Personally I see DMAC as a better than average RB (but not great at all)….
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Strongly disagree.
In fact, I’ll go as far as saying when DMAC is healthy, he’s an ELITE RB. The best all-around back in the NFL.
Superb combination of speed, power, hands and blocking ability. He’s a game changer.
The best player the Raids have – and it’s not even close.
There’s well deserved doubts about his durability, but there should be no doubts about his ability.
KEEP DMAC.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:57 pm
152.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:53 pm
Michael Vick is a terrible QB, 14 INTs and 10 fumbles in 13 games…Is Michael Vick a turnover machine?
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What did Vick do in 2010? Willing to give him the benefit of the doubt for 2011. Tons of new faces and a very green Oline. Palmer, on the other hand, was terrible in 2010 and followed it up with more of the same in 2011. Apples and oranges.
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
#102 Hardline, Ah, another good old days memory, when our RAIDERS really did dominate!
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm
C’mon people, smell the blood, where the greatest talent of our players is to win. Why do you think AL coined the phrase, “Just Win Baby!”? Because he got it from the acts of his players on the field. Back in the day, the rumor was that AD was a member of the Hell’s Angeles Motorcycle Club.
Smell the fear, people. Do you really think Tom Brady would have been allowed to tip toe through the tulips nice and clean behind his O line and rip the Raiders apart?? No! The 76 Raiders would have rudely dismantled him piece by piece, and put him in the hospital overnight.
Quit trying to match stats, was HueJack a gifted play caller or a pimp? blah, blah, blah, blah, blah. We have to figure what can we do to make Belichick sh.t his pants every time we come upon the field of play.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
159.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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Huh?? Since when does Palmer win games??
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
RAIDERMAN99, #155,
I hear you Raiderman, but don’t feel you. What can you tell me to dispute the stats regarding DMAC I put up in post 132?? Keep in mind DMAC’s average performance against top tier teams with “winning” records.
Dump Slowlando…..yes !
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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palmer 4-5
jc 12-7
I dont see this as being even
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Palmer and JC: Palmer is an over-the-hill slug, while J.C. (bottom lip hanging down to his knees) is a mediocre schlub.
Lose em both!! and quickly !
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
159.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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Huh?? Since when does Palmer win games??
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off top bra. Did jc manage the game not to lose in 2010 when he led us from behind in san diego or kc, or did he make big throws that help win in the fourth quarter?
i remember him sealing the first donkey game with a stick throw to dhb this year, leading us from behind vs the jest, and being very aggressive throwing the ball down field in buffalo and vs the texans.
Its ok to give the man credit for helping the team win.
it will not harm your love affair with palmer
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:09 pm
http://espn.go.com/new-york/nfl/story/_/id/7537889/new-york-jets-coach-rex-ryan-mark-sanchez-santonio-holmes-set-meet
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Hilarious!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Hardline Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:46 pm
The Raiders in 1976, year of their first Superbowl victory, were anything but business-like. That is what made the Raiders, the Raiders.
It was their swashbuckling, un-orthodox ways, killer hits by the D, bold risky plays by the O, the unconventional backgrounds and tactics of the greatest players in football whose greatest talent was winning football games and a never-say-die attitude.
Most in here are too young to remember those days, and so they get confused as to who and what the Raiders are.
And that is a shame.
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I fondly remember those teams. Was the reason a kid from Ohio became a Raiders fan. But Davis’ philosophy failed to change with the times and his various slogans became laughable footnotes to a bygone era. Swashbuckling don’t cut it anymore by a long shot. Too much money at stake. The Raiders are dead. Long live the Raiders.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:15 pm
if palmer was traded and jc signed i think 90% of this blog would commit suicide. LMAO
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
164.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
159.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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Huh?? Since when does Palmer win games??
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off top bra. Did jc manage the game not to lose in 2010 when he led us from behind in san diego or kc, or did he make big throws that help win in the fourth quarter?
i remember him sealing the first donkey game with a stick throw to dhb this year, leading us from behind vs the jest, and being very aggressive throwing the ball down field in buffalo and vs the texans.
Its ok to give the man credit for helping the team win.
it will not harm your love affair with palmer
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CP has big shoes to fill. JC gave a lot of these knuckleheads like Sliverdmfck hope again. And that’s coming from a guy who is still pissed we gave up on our #1 overall pick so fast.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Heard a cool story from Madden on XM MadDog Radio today…
In 1975 Madden left 7 players at the hotel when the team went to the stadium for the Super Bowl vs the Vikings.
He said some guy dressed like a Raider mascot was outside the hotel bugging him and the players asking about the game, wanting autographs and stuff.
So he told the players to get on the bus and told the driver to go to get away from this guy. He didn’t realize it was 15 minutes early and not all the players were on the bus.
So some of the guys had to take a cab.
The Radio guy says, “Its hard to get a cab in Pasadena on Super Bowl Sunday even in ‘75. Did all the players make it on time?”
Madden says, “Yeah, the mascot guy that was bugging everybody ended up bringing 4 of them in his car.”
Just thought I would share…
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:21 pm
U guys are bugging. 1st hardly anyone trades in the NFL, this ain’t basketball or baseball. They wait for you to cut the guy or offer like a 5th round pick. Anybody getting Dmac would want assurance of a contract extension or deal or it’s one year and he’s a free agent, and nobody gives up a #1 for a one year player.
I am legitimately concerned about the coaching hires outside of the HC. Knapp, not impressed. West Coast offense, not impressed. ZBS not impressed, Letting OL coach Wylie go, not impressed, letting Off Coord Al Saunders go, not impressed. We should have given this offense a year with a healthy Dmac, a Carson Palmer with on offseason under his belt,
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:22 pm
166 Ohioraider, Hear ya buddy, unfortunately “The Old Swashbuckling RAIDERS” are dead, but let’s change with the times, and hope that our newer version of the domesticated/corporated/Bob Costas,AlMichaels, touchy feely NFL,can accept the fact that our newer version of the RAIDERS are back, to once again dominate and win championships!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:16 pm
164.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:04 pm
159.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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Huh?? Since when does Palmer win games??
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off top bra. Did jc manage the game not to lose in 2010 when he led us from behind in san diego or kc, or did he make big throws that help win in the fourth quarter?
i remember him sealing the first donkey game with a stick throw to dhb this year, leading us from behind vs the jest, and being very aggressive throwing the ball down field in buffalo and vs the texans.
Its ok to give the man credit for helping the team win.
it will not harm your love affair with palmer
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CP has big shoes to fill. JC gave a lot of these knuckleheads like Sliverdmfck hope again. And that’s coming from a guy who is still pissed we gave up on our #1 overall pick so fast.
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It’s because Russell was an overweight slug who refused to work, or do anything else besides drink his sizzzzzuuuurrrrrrrppppppp.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:28 pm
BTW I liked Campbell out if college, but I loved Palmer, yeah he throws some picks but he can make up for them with a good def as he usually comes back and gets a score a series or two later. He is a smart QB who believes he can throw better than you can defend. He throws into coverage but that also makes DBs pay attention to the whole field and not just fall off their coverage to converge on the shorter routes
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:29 pm
if suanders lands in kc JC COULD FOLLOW. I CANT IMAGINE WATCHING SUANDERS AND JC COME IN HERE IN CHIEF UNIFORMS AND KICKING OUR ASSES!! PUKE!!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:32 pm
i ALSO SAW A RUMOR THAT SAID THE BROWNS ARE TAKING A GOOD LONG LOOK AT JC. JC as the veteran presence until RGIII is up to speed!!!
If the browns end up with this they instantly have the best qb situation in all of football, AND LIFE WOULD SUCK FOR ME
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
The thing that I find interesting is that Mistic is willing to give Vick “a pass” for 2011 because his o-line was “green” and they had a lot of “fresh faces”, even though he had the same WR corps, TE and running back, yet Palmer “fell on his face” after coming to a brand new team in the middle of the season despite sitting out the entire first half of the year.
Wonder why that is?
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Palmer wins games
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Relax Mistic, only rumors, and if they come true, so what, we know JC’S weaknesses, don’t we?
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:37 pm
edward teach Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:34 pm
The thing that I find interesting is that Mistic is willing to give Vick “a pass” for 2011 because his o-line was “green” and they had a lot of “fresh faces”, even though he had the same WR corps, TE and running back, yet Palmer “fell on his face” after coming to a brand new team in the middle of the season despite sitting out the entire first half of the year.
Wonder why that is?
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I DIDNT WRITE THAT DUMB ASS!!!
However if you are asking my opinion i would take vick over palmer everyday of the week and twice on sunday
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
if suanders lands in kc JC COULD FOLLOW. I CANT IMAGINE WATCHING SUANDERS AND JC COME IN HERE IN CHIEF UNIFORMS AND KICKING OUR ASSES!! PUKE!!!
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C’mon Saunders, you think JC would want to play for Saunders! After the “You know what? This is a real quarterback,’” Saunders said. You don’t remember this, everyone felt it was a slap in the face to JC…
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:42 pm
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2012/01/4782_49ers_hefty_psl.html
The PSL for the 9ers new stadium in Santa Clara will be $20,000-$80,000, and season tickets could be over $8,000 a year.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:44 pm
http://www.fieldofschemes.com/news/archives/2012/01/4806_santa_clara_fil.html
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:45 pm
i ALSO SAW A RUMOR THAT SAID THE BROWNS ARE TAKING A GOOD LONG LOOK AT JC. JC as the veteran presence until RGIII is up to speed!!!
If the browns end up with this they instantly have the best qb situation in all of football, AND LIFE WOULD SUCK FOR ME
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Poor JC, the Browns might have the worst receivers in the league, besides the Jaguars, but they have MJD…
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
JC as the veteran presence until RGIII is up to speed!!!
If the browns end up with this they instantly have the best qb situation in all of football,
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Aren’t we exagerating a little bit? better than what they have up in Green Bay? new orleans? NE? Indy? Carolina? Philly?
Actually, i would rate that as one of the worst QB situation in football.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
My apologies, Mistic. It’s hard to tell your posts from Debo’s sometimes.
I will refrain from calling you names in return, because that would be childish.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Stop it with al, the JC crap.
He actually had an offseason, a healthy Dmac and he was what he was, an average, bottom 15 level QB.
I’ll take CP3 all day over JC, not even close….
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
My apologies, Mistic. It’s hard to tell your posts from Debo’s sometimes.
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Wow, that is a huge insult. That is bad as talking about someone’e mama! You basically called him retarded!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:40 pm
if suanders lands in kc JC COULD FOLLOW. I CANT IMAGINE WATCHING SUANDERS AND JC COME IN HERE IN CHIEF UNIFORMS AND KICKING OUR ASSES!! PUKE!!!
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C’mon Saunders, you think JC would want to play for Saunders! After the “You know what? This is a real quarterback,’” Saunders said. You don’t remember this, everyone felt it was a slap in the face to JC…
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I do. I think suanders comment was taken way out of context. He was complimenting palmer and it was completely independent of what he thinks of jc.
Jc knows the offense and was thriving in it. Saunders and jc would then only need to get to know the players and teammates. Jc has already proven that he can push the players around him and lead them to huge leaps in performance. he is a top notch leader, something they dont have in kc.
Sunders vertical offense is a terrible fit for cassel and orton, jc led our offense to awesome numbers in that system. You put him in the back field with jamal charles, and bowe on the outside, and suddenly that offense is what our offense was before jc went down
I think both would relish the chance to come together and beat the hell out of us, based on the way they were treated, especially jc
Kc is well aware of what jc can do after all jc owned them when he was here. Im sure they wont forget his incredible come from behind fourth quarter long balls to ford to set up the win.
I see this as a very strong yet nightmarish possibility, if saunders gets the gig.
PLEASE GOD IF YOU LOVE OAKLAND EVEN A LITTLE BIT DONT LET THIS HAPPEN
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:46 pm
JC as the veteran presence until RGIII is up to speed!!!
If the browns end up with this they instantly have the best qb situation in all of football,
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Aren’t we exagerating a little bit? better than what they have up in Green Bay? new orleans? NE? Indy? Carolina? Philly?
Actually, i would rate that as one of the worst QB situation in football.
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Besides rodgers and flynn, what team would ahve a duo of qbs that match jc and RGIII?
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:53 pm
JC and Saunders to KC
PLEASE GOD IF YOU LOVE OAKLAND EVEN A LITTLE BIT DONT LET THIS HAPPEN
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LOL. Id love to play JC twice per year. when did JC turn into Troy Aikman?
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Besides rodgers and flynn, what team would ahve a duo of qbs that match jc and RGIII?
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Only one QB in the game. two average QBs does not make a great QB situation.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
As I said earlier Mistic just relax, the powers at be will have everything in place for future RAIDER dominance!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:54 pm
http://santaclaraplaysfair.org/
Here is the web site for the Group of Santa Clara Residents trying to sue to stop the New Stadium from getting built in Santa Clara. Partly because of the Traffic it will bring, but mostly because the 9ers said there would be no public funds, but in reality there is a loan which the people of sant clara will have to pay 10s of millions of dallors for the down payment, & if this fails to make money the people of Santa Clara will pay for a lot of the cost. Oh & it will cost at least $20,000 for a PSL in order to buy season tickets.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Let KC take JC,.
He is an average, Bottom 15 QB at best.
He played when DMAC was at his best last year and until they both got hurt this year.
Besides the first SD game, Palmer had NO running game and the worst Defense in Raider history.
I’ll take CP3 with a regular offseason, hopefully a healthy Dmac and NOW a disciplined defense!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:55 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Stop it with al, the JC crap.
He actually had an offseason, a healthy Dmac and he was what he was, an average, bottom 15 level QB.
I’ll take CP3 all day over JC, not even close….
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well your opinion is your right, but the fact are jc was in the top 15 qbs when he went down, and was in the top 4 in the fourth quarter.
cp never climbed out of the bottom 20
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Campbell is ten games under .500 as a starter, and RGIII hasn’t yet played a snap in the NFL.
If that would be the best QB tandem in football, then Goodell should not be talking expansion. He should be talking about contraction.
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Nailed it 196!
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:58 pm
303 without numbers to back up your claim it is nothing more than a worthless and ill informed opinion.
Palmer did not equal jc this season or last season, he turned it over more and lost more. In fact in 9 games palmer had more picks than jc did for the last two seasons combined!!!
PLease
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Carson will get an opportunity to prove the Haters wrong or right this year.
I will hold final judgementas it is not fair to compare the 2 just yet.
If Carson continue his Pics like last year after a true offseason, a better run game, a Defense that isn’t the worse ever and most penalized, then I will be the first to slap him around.
Until then, I bet he will play better, with a more disciplined system.
I think Hue was so in love with him, he didnt hold Carson as accountable as he should have.
Time will tell and as a Raider Fan, YOU need to get behind Carson because he’s not going anywhere!!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:00 pm
edward teach Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Campbell is ten games under .500 as a starter, and RGIII hasn’t yet played a snap in the NFL.
If that would be the best QB tandem in football, then Goodell should not be talking expansion. He should be talking about contraction.
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no there wouldnt be a more talented duo. football is a team sport and jc played for the most dysfunctional teams in football washington and oakland, and he whipped oakland into shape.
This is opinion, you are welcome to yours
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Mystic,
You are taking my point out of context. What I’m trying to say he we saw JC at his best.
He played with DMAc when he was healthy. He had an offseason with his WR’s.
Let’s see Carson this year with a true offseason, healthy running game, a better Defenese, etc.
Time will tell…
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mistic fair comment. I understand where you’re coming from regarding stats etc., but in all honesty I believe the RAIDERS would have a better chance winning a SB with Palmer than JC. Anyone remember the great Jim Plunkett?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
You guys are arguing about Palmer & JC when you should be talking about the Best QB prospect out THE OHIO STATE UNIVERSITY: Terrelle Pryor!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:05 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Mystic,
You are taking my point out of context. What I’m trying to say he we saw JC at his best.
He played with DMAc when he was healthy. He had an offseason with his WR’s.
Let’s see Carson this year with a true offseason, healthy running game, a better Defenese, etc.
Time will tell…
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my faukt bra, you are right i missed what you are trying to say. We did see the best jc to date, but i firmly believe he was still improving and has not hit his ceiling. he would have contiued to get better and the team with him.
Palmer im afraid is already on the decline, the evidence and numbers point to this sad truth
Thanks hu jack
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
TP will play QB, and he can play in any system. He has a strong arm, he is smart (football), and he can run.
He is almost as good as Vick running the ball.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Raider O, time will tell. I believe that Pryor will surprise alot of “RAIDER” fans and the know alls in the NFL.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Hey nobody brought up the Goodell expanded the league to 34 teams and the two teams would be in L.A. It was a headline on CNN…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/nfl-los-angeles-roger-goodell-34-teams_n_1252802.html
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
irishraiderfan Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 12:30 pm
We beef up our line some and DMAC plays 12+ games I don’t see how we can’t avg 25-30 points a game. Even with Knapp who im not stoked about. Do any of you disagree with me?
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Well, as a matter of fact, I disagree with you. DMAC should be traded for whatever we can get for him. A a pair of old tennis shoes. A broken down Pinto. He’s always ready to go the week after the Raiders fail to qualify for the playoffs. Just axe Hue.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Comparing Pryor to Vick…well, I am out.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Mistic fair comment. I understand where you’re coming from regarding stats etc., but in all honesty I believe the RAIDERS would have a better chance winning a SB with Palmer than JC. Anyone remember the great Jim Plunkett?
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I have to concede the point here, plunk was my first qb hero, and he was a turn over machine at times. i dont think though that in todays pass happy nfl you can afford to play that way.
Eli manning is a good example of this, when he is at his best he is protecting the ball and they win. When he has those 2 3 pick games they often lose
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I like Soup a lot. Seems like a terrific fellow, but he couldn’t audilbe his way out of slow stampede in Pompalona. Guy left more WIDE OPEN SLAM DUNK plays out there than a lot of High School QBs I’ve seen/played with.
But he IS NO LONGER on the RAIDERS roster people.
It is like arguing that my old (dead) dog could kick my new dogs a$$ and twice on Sundays. MOOT!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Mistic,
I’m not criticizing Campbell and RGIII as much as I am the state of the league, quarterbacks-wise. They are both talented players, but if that’s the best tandem the league would have I stand by my statement that we don’t need any new teams.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy
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hahaha…crazy isn’t it?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic:
Well never know. I liked JC, he was a good leader and he had the trust of the team.
That is now in the past and we need to rally around CP3.
We have to deal and focus on the cards dealt to us.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
# realtruraider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I heard on the NFL network that the franchise tag for players could be reduced by as much as 25-30% from where it was at last year, something to do with the new CBA,
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I believe that is true, that is why Raiders will consider franchising Bush. Due to that 25-30% discount from previous years on franchise tags.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
edward teach Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Mistic,
I’m not criticizing Campbell and RGIII as much as I am the state of the league, quarterbacks-wise. They are both talented players, but if that’s the best tandem the league would have I stand by my statement that we don’t need any new teams.
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we dont need any new teams agreed
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Does losing Fassel hurt the ST units? Or was it HueJax stones in pulling the trigger on the trick plays? How was KCs special teams this last year?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Sorry Dutch, that was only Goodell covering his butt, should an existing NFL franchise be wooed to the LA market. Makes him out to be the guy that didn’t want the relocation, but at the same time is laughing all the way to the bank!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
213.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy
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hahaha…crazy isn’t it?
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This blog is addictive, and I think everybody’s bored.
Haven’t had a new hire to melt down about in a couple of days, lol.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic:
Well never know. I liked JC, he was a good leader and he had the trust of the team.
That is now in the past and we need to rally around CP3.
We have to deal and focus on the cards dealt to us.
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your right, when I havnt mmentioned jc for quite some time, but when i saw the rumor that he could end up with sunders in kc IT KILLED ME
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:16 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy
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LMAO!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm
# hwnrdr Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:14 pm
75.RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Guys, open question:
Do we NEED a high priced FA WR and if so which one?
Vincent Jackson had those TWO dui’s AND held out almost a whole season.
How about Desean Jackson IF he’s not tagged, which I believe he will be!
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If Raiders go after a free agent WR, than V-Jack is the one to get.
Then they can get trade Ford for a 2nd rounder possibly? Hmm…
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
edward teach Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:15 pm
213.DKnight007 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy
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hahaha…crazy isn’t it?
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This blog is addictive, and I think everybody’s bored.
Haven’t had a new hire to melt down about in a couple of days, lol
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Yeah I hear ya. Another big let down is coming though, just wait for the DC hire.
Ugh. I want Donatell, and then maybe Whitt as the secondary coach. I would also like them to interview Pack DLine coach Mike Trgovac for the DC position…at least ahead of Whitt Jr.
I think Whitt as the DC would be a reach.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic:
Well never know. I liked JC, he was a good leader and he had the trust of the team.
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A good leader? The team was really pleased when Jackson and Cable sat him down.
A good man? Probably, but a good leader?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm
I like Soup a lot. Seems like a terrific fellow, but he couldn’t audilbe his way out of slow stampede in Pompalona.
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Criticize him missing a few deep balls, or his game vs the patisies or sf, those are valid or have merit.
You cant say though he didnt audible, it isnt true.
here is an example
http://youtu.be/-lm9xgrF4iE
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Sorry Dutch, that was only Goodell covering his butt, should an existing NFL franchise be wooed to the LA market. Makes him out to be the guy that didn’t want the relocation, but at the same time is laughing all the way to the bank!
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Total agreement, 34 teams? Just would not work. I was more surprised the story was on CNN and Huffington post and not some obsure football site.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:23 pm
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:12 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy
^^^^^^^^
hahaha…crazy isn’t it?
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This blog is addictive, and I think everybody’s bored.
Haven’t had a new hire to melt down about in a couple of days, lol
^^^^^^^^^
Yeah I hear ya. Another big let down is coming though, just wait for the DC hire.
Ugh. I want Donatell, and then maybe Whitt as the secondary coach if anything.
I would also like them to interview Pack DLine coach Mike Trgovac for the DC position…at least ahead of Whitt Jr.
I think Whitt as the DC would be a reach.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Guess for us “OLD RAIDER FARTS” times are a changing. Used to be, “IN AL WE TRUST”, “JUST WIN BABY” “COMMITMENT TO EXCELLENCE” Etc.Etc. What will it be now my younger RAIDER breatharen?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:19 pm
303Raider Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Mistic:
Well never know. I liked JC, he was a good leader and he had the trust of the team.
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A good leader? The team was really pleased when Jackson and Cable sat him down.
A good man? Probably, but a good leader?
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yes a good leader you dont like him but why try to discredit him?
hosting dhb and the wr group for weeks at his home in the offseason for the sole purpose of improving the team is leadership. His effort paid off, ask DHB
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
With Saunders interviewing for KC OC job while under contract to Raiders, that means he’s been `invited’ to leave. Doubtful he’d coach QBs
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This isn’t a good thing.
There wasn’t a whole lot wrong with the offense and Sanders wrote most of it.
It would have been better to keep the old fart.
Bringing Knapp back, whose play calling was replaced-due to deficiency-by Cable doesn’t seem like an improvment.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
yes a good leader you dont like him but why try to discredit him?
hosting dhb and the wr group for weeks at his home in the offseason for the sole purpose of improving the team is leadership. His effort paid off, ask DHB
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Actually, I do like him. He’s a hard working, industrious, guy.
But he’s too timid to ever be a good quarterback.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:27 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Jerrymcd Jerry McDonald
With Saunders interviewing for KC OC job while under contract to Raiders, that means he’s been `invited’ to leave. Doubtful he’d coach QBs
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This isn’t a good thing.
There wasn’t a whole lot wrong with the offense and Sanders wrote most of it.
It would have been better to keep the old fart.
Bringing Knapp back, whose play calling was replaced-due to deficiency-by Cable doesn’t seem like an improvement.
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Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered, and just wanted out. He’ll be fine with the considerable weapons in this offense.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:28 pm
“Just Win Baby” meant nothing if you DON’T Win!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:30 pm
England, agreed Knapp is an iffy replacement, and Saunders is an old fart! Surely somewhere in the NFL or college ranks there is the” diamond in the rough that is a tad wee bit better than Knapp?”
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Let’s give Papa Reggie and The D.A. Some credit!
We hire 2 coaches so far from our Divison rivals and almost hired Manusky which would have made it 3 coaches from each team in our division!
I like the way our new leaders think!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
What game has Jason Campbell EVER won?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Again, Knapp was calling plays for 4 games until Cable replaced him.
And he had the Worst QB ever!
Knapp will be fine with our current roster.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:34 pm
303 Raider, fair comment, but unfortunately I came from an era where we “JUST WIN BABY!”
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
What game has Jason Campbell EVER won?
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Very few. You can win WITH him, but you will not win BECAUSE OF him.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Me too. Been watching The Raiders for 32 years as far as I can remember.
Al, R.IP., is gone and we now have a normal, modern franchise.
We will let our Wins speak for our new Motto.
No more weirdness and creepy stuff.
No more penalties.
No more firing coaches every year.
No more crappy defenses.
New ERA, embrace it!!!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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palmer 4-5
jc 12-7
I dont see this as being even
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You are correct, It is not even. You sample size is inadmissible. 9 fir Palmer and 19 for Campbell??? How good will Palmer be after a full offseason and 19 starts? Much better than Campbell.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Like Hue said Palmer is a “real QB”!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:40 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:35 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:32 pm
What game has Jason Campbell EVER won?
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Very few. You can win WITH him, but you will not win BECAUSE OF him.
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Agreed 100%
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:41 pm
thats fine guys kick dirt on jc if it makes you feel better to do so.
you can say we with him but didnt win because of him, however if that is your biggest complaint about the qb, i think you are in good hands. besides we certainly didnt win because of his replacement, heck we didnt win with his replacements either.
You will have to wait until next year and hope palmer can surpass what jc did, but in the mean time you are left looking at his undefeated division record, his 4-2 first place raider team, and his 12-7 overall starting record.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:43 pm
You can’t franchise tag bush he’s a UFA
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered, and just wanted out. He’ll be fine with the considerable weapons in this offense.
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“Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered”?!
Now that’s confusing.
His play calling was replaced by Cable’s play calling who was already head coach.
Good luck to him.
I’d still rather have Sanders. Personally, I’m a long ball fan.
However, I look at it is this way:
Everyone on this blog wanted a head coach who could hire and fire his own coaches and that’s what we got.
Myself I wanted an experienced head coach, but Allen seems like a good gamble and a head coach is entitled to hire and fire his assistants.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 2:47 pm
You guys are a crackup. Still arguing about Soup (who is no longer on the team) and dissing the starter (who is on your team) like he was the man who made your momma stop lovin yo daddy…
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LMAO!
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:49 pm
242.The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Like Hue said Palmer is a “real QB”!
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I think it was Sanders who said that and he was right.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:50 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:05 pm
The Realist Dirty Raccoon Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Palmer Wins games.
Campbell manages not to loose games.
6 one way, half Dozen the other.
I’ll talk Palmer in a close match.
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palmer 4-5
jc 12-7
I dont see this as being even
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You are correct, It is not even. You sample size is inadmissible. 9 fir Palmer and 19 for Campbell??? How good will Palmer be after a full offseason and 19 starts? Much better than Campbell.
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why do this bra
jc last 19 starst 12 -7 with 12 ints
palmer last 19 starts 6-13 30 picks
take the emotion out of it and admit over their last 19 starts jc is far and away better
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
You can’t franchise tag bush he’s a UFA
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Don’t you mean tender, not franchise? Remember Seymour was UFA in 2010.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:52 pm
240,303 Raider. As an “Old Fart Raider” I’m being dragged with you into “the new era”. Long live “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS, OLD AND NEW!”
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered, and just wanted out. He’ll be fine with the considerable weapons in this offense.
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“Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered”?!
Now that’s confusing.
His play calling was replaced by Cable’s play calling who was already head coach.
Good luck to him.
I’d still rather have Sanders. Personally, I’m a long ball fan.
However, I look at it is this way:
Everyone on this blog wanted a head coach who could hire and fire his own coaches and that’s what we got.
Myself I wanted an experienced head coach, but Allen seems like a good gamble and a head coach is entitled to hire and fire his assistants.
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Not confusing at all. Al could be extremely vindictive if someone got his wrong side (ask Rich Gannon and John Fox, amongst others). Al could not imagine someone not wanting the Raiders HC job, and would be very unhappy with that person. In addition, Knapp was a Kiffin guy, so there was another strike against him.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:53 pm
246. Everyone assumed we’d hire a coach that would pick a GOOD staff and not comb the bargain bins for rookies and also rans.
All of his moves have been lateral or down grades.
Is Allen afraid of someone Hueing him? He has a 4 yr but reality says he could get ditched in two but I doubt it.
We;re stuck with what we’ve got. Hope it pans
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm
yoohooo racoon where are you friend? how is this for apples to apples?
jc last 19 starst 12 -7 with 12 ints
palmer last 19 starts 6-13 30 picks
take the emotion out of it and admit over their last 19 starts jc is far and away better
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mistic, nothing wrong with Soup he is like the 20th-25th best QB in the league. That’s great is you want to be 10-12th best team in your conference. I want more.
Your fawning is wearisome like a 13yo girl pining for Shaun Cassidy/BackdoorBoys/Justin Beiber all day everyday. Give it rest, find a new man-crush…
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Knapp was offered the HC job? Was that when we were ditching the ZBS or b4? Was it to replace Kiffin or Cable? I can;t recall
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:56 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:51 pm
You can’t franchise tag bush he’s a UFA
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Don’t you mean tender, not franchise? Remember Seymour was UFA in 2010.
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Yes, you can most certainly Franchise him.
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:57 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Hey nobody brought up the Goodell expanded the league to 34 teams and the two teams would be in L.A. It was a headline on CNN…
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/02/03/nfl-los-angeles-roger-goodell-34-teams_n_1252802
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Man, that’s a first. I never saw anyone on here quote the Huffington Post.
What the fuk is wrong with you Dutch?
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Knapp was offered the HC job? Was that when we were ditching the ZBS or b4? Was it to replace Kiffin or Cable? I can’t recall
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It’s when Al was ditching Kiffin. He interviewed Hackett, Knapp and Cable, and offered the job to Knapp, who turned him down. Knapp was on Al’s s**tlist thereafter and left at the end of the year, with Ted Tollner as his kind-of-but-not-really replacement.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Mistic, nothing wrong with Soup he is like the 20th-25th best QB in the league. That’s great is you want to be 10-12th best team in your conference. I want more.
Your fawning is wearisome like a 13yo girl pining for Shaun Cassidy/BackdoorBoys/Justin Beiber all day everyday. Give it rest, find a new man-crush…
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what are you talking about now?
I mentioned that he could end up in kc and how bad that would be if he came in and beat us, and people wanted to compare he and palmer. Im only continuing the thread bra.
Dislike jc? fine its your right, but why try to discredit what he did for this team?
He was a leader and solid contributor for us, and we have seen a major drop off at the qb spot since his departure. Admitting these truths doesnt mean we are pining for anyone, it only means we are honest.
Until palmer does something that surpasses what jc did i will not accept the instant upgrade theory, or any upgrade theory. Palmer must prove it on the field, and he has flopped in the interim.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
It’s 5pm in the Eastern Sierra Nevada, time to go find a Pepsi Throwback and throw it back with some Canadian Whiskey…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
So looks like we’re the Santa Clara raiders now with L.A. off the table
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered, and just wanted out. He’ll be fine with the considerable weapons in this offense.
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“Knapp was replaced as play-caller because Al was mad he’d turned down the HC position when offered”?!
Now that’s confusing.
His play calling was replaced by Cable’s play calling who was already head coach.
Good luck to him.
I’d still rather have Sanders. Personally, I’m a long ball fan.
However, I look at it is this way:
Everyone on this blog wanted a head coach who could hire and fire his own coaches and that’s what we got.
Myself I wanted an experienced head coach, but Allen seems like a good gamble and a head coach is entitled to hire and fire his assistants.
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Not confusing at all. Al could be extremely vindictive if someone got his wrong side (ask Rich Gannon and John Fox, amongst others). Al could not imagine someone not wanting the Raiders HC job, and would be very unhappy with that person. In addition, Knapp was a Kiffin guy, so there was another strike against him.
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Well, Knapp-as you say-was a Kiffin hire.
So when exactly was he offered head coach?
And why would he turn it down and then work under Cable who became the head coach after Kiffin?
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No I like JC, just not as my starting QB, or really having to watch him play. He’d be my number one choice as a backup though. Good guy.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Man, that’s a first. I never saw anyone on here quote the Huffington Post.
What the fuk is wrong with you Dutch?
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Missed the point…that the story of Goodell expanding the league to 34 teams was on CNN and the Huffinton post and not some obsure football blog.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:05 pm
260. “We have seen a major drop off at the QB spot since (JCs) departure.”
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Because our O lost all its speed weapons and had to be retooled for Palmer mid season?
Come on man…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:03 pm
No I like JC, just not as my starting QB, or really having to watch him play. He’d be my number one choice as a backup though. Good guy.
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you want him backing up a guy that he out performed?
he should never back up palmer, he is a better player, and recent history bears witness to this fact. believe me his agent knows this.
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
265. Right on Dutch. Like I said, looks like we’re the Santa Clara Raiders now…
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:06 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Well, Knapp-as you say-was a Kiffin hire.
So when exactly was he offered head coach?
And why would he turn it down and then work under Cable who became the head coach after Kiffin?
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He was offered HC mid-season when Kiffin was canned. He stayed the rest of the season because unemployed assistants are rarely hired mid-year, and a man’s gotta eat.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Mistic 254. If that’s the stats then so it be. However, as another poster stated last week JC at this time in his playing career should re-evaluate his worth to a franchise. For example: go to the browns with heir apparent RGIII, and get the carp knocked out of you for 2-3 years (if that, remember the division they are in). Or sit behind CP as a backup making a good salary, knowing that a large amount of the RAIDER NATION rem embers your good times, and have to to be inserted when CP does/or will screw up. You’re still a hero, making millions, and who knows, have a better chance of winning that SB ring with the Silver & Black.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:09 pm
259.RaiderDuck Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:58 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Knapp was offered the HC job? Was that when we were ditching the ZBS or b4? Was it to replace Kiffin or Cable? I can’t recall
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It’s when Al was ditching Kiffin. He interviewed Hackett, Knapp and Cable, and offered the job to Knapp, who turned him down. Knapp was on Al’s s**tlist thereafter and left at the end of the year, with Ted Tollner as his kind-of-but-not-really replacement.
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Come on man!
Are we talking about the same Al Davis?
Think about it: Al offers him HC and he says no thanks, I’ll just keep my old job?
And Al says: Sure sweetie.
Al interviewed many people–always.
That doesn’t mean that an HC job was offered to Knapp.
Maybe someone on here said so but that doesn’t make it reality.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:11 pm
The Santa Clara Raiders?
Hey is that so bad?
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
272. Never! Sorry England, there is only “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS”.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
261.JLofty Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:01 pm
It’s 5pm in the Eastern Sierra Nevada, time to go find a Pepsi Throwback and throw it back with some Canadian Whiskey…
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Well, brother Raider!
You’re in the right place with the wrong whiskey!
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Bye Jc im sorry hu jack screwed you, but at least this raider fan is thankful for all that you did for us, and your contribution will not be forgotten
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I don’t know about Hue screwing him; I think Hue knew that Boller wasn’t the answer and went out and got the best QB he could find to replace JC. I have to believe that he did that because he wanted to win. It’s not like he cut the man the minute Al passed.
That said, I am with you in thanking JC for what he did do, and that’s bring some semblance of competence back to the QB position in Oakland. He conducted himself with class and dignity, and always gave his best effort. For that, all Raider fans should be grateful.
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:20 pm
273.Raiderjambo Says:
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:13 pm
272. Never! Sorry England, there is only “THE OAKLAND RAIDERS”.
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I hear that.
The Raiders belong there, the ghosts of many greats will walk there..it’s a perfect location…
but Oakland is never-write it down-never going to re-build that stadium for the Raiders.
It’s a dumb stadium built in the sixties when some morons got together and said, hey let’s build a stadium for a football AND a baseball team.
The whiners are going to build a real stadium in the south bay and are willing to share it with the Raiders.
How long before we OWN it?
February 3rd, 2012 at 5:32 pm
275&276. Both posts not a truer word was written.
275. I also thank JC for the class and dignity he brought not only to the franchise as a QB, but also as a total TEAM PLAYER. If he does move on I wish him all the best.
276. Only wish some “rebel moneybags” al a Trump or Cuban would love to invest in a new stadium for our beloved RAIDERS, for a minority share in the franchise. Wishful thinking I guess!
February 6th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Lot of changes to the raiders this off season and they are all downgrades. Rebuilds suck azz
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 10th, 2012 at 1:15 am
raids hire crap
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:15 am
i guess we’ll see;;;
http://www.raidernationstation.com/2011_regular_season
February 10th, 2012 at 1:17 am
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Dustin hoffman?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:19 am
rain man
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:19 am
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try
February 10th, 2012 at 1:20 am
i guess
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:21 am
happy wit t
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:21 am
raiderz man
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:23 am
rule
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:25 am
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lead
February 10th, 2012 at 1:27 am
follow
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 am
or git out da way
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February 10th, 2012 at 1:31 am
cuz its raiders
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
February 10th, 2012 at 1:31 am
all the way
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle