Raiders cut Routt
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 9th, 2012 at 2:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.
The new regime of the Raiders has begun erasing what it believes to be the mistakes of the past, with the first big move coming in the release of cornerback Stanford Routt Thursday.
Routt was signed last offseason to a three-year, $31.5 million contract extension that at the time made him the third highest cornerback in the NFL just a few days before the NFL lockout began.
Routt was retained by owner Al Davis while at the same time the club made no effort to re-sign Nnamdi Asomugha, who eventually signed with the Philadelphia Eagles.
A later restructure boosted the value of the deal to five years and $54.5 million.
Routt’s contract reportedly guaranteed him $20 million, meaning the Raiders could be out that amount depending on wording of the deal. Adam Caplan reported that Routt’s $5 million base salary was guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday. Routt still is due a $5 million roster bonus, which is guaranteed.
In 2012, Routt had four interceptions _ second on the team to free safety Matt Giordano _ but played inconsistently and led the team in penalties with 17.
Following the press conference announcing the hiring of coach Dennis Allen, general manager Reggie McKenzie said the team would begin examining contracts and and personnel while putting their financial house in order.
“From where we are, we’ve got some contracts that are kind of out of whack, but in discussions and viewing the cap situation, we should be fine,;; McKenzie said. “We don’t have to make wholesale changes.’’
Routt’s release would seem to serve notice that anyone making a big salary on the Raiders’ underachieving defense could be affected.
Defensive tackle Richard Seymour is in the second year of a two-year, $30 million extension with $15 million due this season, and linebacker Kamerion Wimbley signed a five-year, $48 million contract with a reported $29 million in guarantees.
A year ago, the Raiders starting cornerbacks were Nnamdi Asomugha and Routt. As of now, the only cornerbacks under contract are second-year players Chimdi Chekwa and DeMarcus Van Dyke, as well as veteran Chris Johnson. It’s still possible that first-year defensive coordinator Jason Tarver will follow through with the plan to convert free safety Michael Huff to cornerback next season.
The Raiders also announced the addition of two more coaches, confirming the hire of Keith Burns to be the assistant special teams coach and Johnny Holland to coach linebackers. Burns was the secondary coach at Mississippi, Holland the linebackers coach for the Houston Texans.
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February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Bye Bye
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
#1
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
first
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
ha
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
MM34 has just scratched the surface of his career. It’s not time to toss him overboard yet…it’s time for him to play more, not less. THEN, we’ll see if he can play with the big boys.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
Great move.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
So its a 6.5 million savings this year.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
JB Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Wonder if Routt cut was after a request to restructure or a straight our your outta here decision? Would certainly be interesting to know. Rolando McWhiffer is probably under review right now I’d imagine. Other under-performers include Huff, MM34, Lito Sheppard & Blackstock to mention a few.
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no need to wonder just know every one and evreything is in play. i doubt there are any untochables outside of lil wiz, veldeheer
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
So its a 6.5 million savings this year.
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Nice.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Seymour might be next. A “roster bonus” is not guaranteed.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Kam Wimbley and Kevin Boss are next!!
Restructure or punt boulders
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Love it. Bye bye scholarship players.
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
I told the Al clowns here, some time ago, that Routt will be routed. When a regular evaluator came here, things started to fall in place, there’s a light at the end of the tunnel…
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
MM34 has just scratched the surface of his career. It’s not time to toss him overboard yet…it’s time for him to play more, not less. THEN, we’ll see if he can play with the big boys.
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agreed, but i bet huff is really nervous right about now
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
I like it…!… McKenzie isn’t fooling around….. No more slackers on our team….
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Seymour is next.
Huff & Mitchell…might want to give your agents a call.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Rolando will be fine people.
He ain’t going nowhere.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Boy, Al was bad
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
ReggieMcK and D.A. have put together a pretty impressive staff, for first-timers.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
MM34 and Lochness Campbell would not be suprise cuts.
They stink.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Wimbley might want to invest some of his money soon too.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Love the Holland move.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
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Link????
February 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Seymour is next.
Huff & Mitchell…might want to give your agents a call.
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After what has just transpired, the writing is on the wall.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
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Link????
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I dont need links.
You see the Holland hiring right?..
Take it to the bank.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Seymour is next.
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Yeah, can’t see paying him 15 million if we just cut Routt who at least played every damn game.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
# DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
Great move.
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My buddy just text me that also. IF that is the case, then this turns from a good move to a GREAT move!
I wonder if McK franchises Bush or Branch and I wonder who gets the long term deal between Branch and Bush now with Routts contract gone.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Rolando will be fine people.
He ain’t going nowhere.
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I agree. Unless he pulls a gun on Mac or DA.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Kam Wimbley and Kevin Boss are next!!
Restructure or punt boulders
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What’s wrong with Boss? He’s only making $2M. That’s far less than what ZMiller got. Boss is a better blocker and bigger target if the ball is thrown to him. Boss is a good hing & not an underachiever.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hahahaha!!! Looks like I get the last laugh on this one. I called it as soon as Reggie was hired.
This one’s for all you goons that said Routt wouldn’t get released.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Gentlemen, hold on to your butts.
I have a feeling by opening day we would have a hard time recognizing the roster.
When you make STANFORD ROUTT your first cut of the offseason you already know heads are about to roll.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Too funny, we cut our best on ball db,who makes ton of money and have no one with any experience to step into his place outside of cj who cant stay healthy.
So tell me why palmer seymoure kelly and others are untouchable
everyone is in play
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Looks like Big Mac, Dallen, and I are in lockstep!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
Great move.
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So then it’s possible he could be brought back on the cheap, correct?
It’s probably unlikely, as he would have restructured, but that only moves money around, not gets rid of it.
Interesting move.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Half of Seymours contract is guaranteed.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
We are cleaning house. I was fan of 26you too, always backing him up with anyone who talked trash about him. Just another example of its all about the name on the front not the name on the the back. Love the Raiders!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
LOL!
You think nailing a LB coach prediction is going to get you that kinda pass?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
McLains fate could rest on his trial too…. But I’d like to see him get 1 more season… He hasnt lived up to the Billing so far
February 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Half of Seymours contract is guaranteed.
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Roster bonuses are not guaranteed.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
LOL!
You think nailing a LB coach prediction is going to get you that kinda pass?
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Wasnt a prediction brethren. I knew it was in the works.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Will Tommy Kelly please pick up the white courtesy phone?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
Great move.
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So then it’s possible he could be brought back on the cheap, correct?
It’s probably unlikely, as he would have restructured, but that only moves money around, not gets rid of it.
Interesting move.
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You dont cut a guy with an announcement on Twitter with intentions of bringing him back, sorry.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Someone educate me on Cortlan finnegan, is he all mouth and push an shove or can he acually cover..
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Al knew his days were numbered…he never gave up that fight to win one more Championship, though…over-spending be damned! Too bad his wildest dreams didn’t materialize for us.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
JB,
Boss is overpaid and struggles to stay healthy, and wasn’t as good of blocker as advertised.
We aren’t going to just cut defensive players only. Someone offensively won’t survive the guantlet, and my money is on Boss.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Corner was one of our biggest needs before we cut our best corner.
Where’s that list of FA corners again?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Here we go, let the good times roll!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Mistic, I think the untouchables are:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Moore, Palmer, McFadden, Boss.
I include the other four, because all six will not be cut, but could be traded; all would command at least a 2nd round draft choice.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Routt’s contract was only guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday.
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Link????
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Thats what Adam Caplan just reported.
For the record, Michael Huff is next, he is due 9.8 million if he is on the roster on 3/16
February 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
awesome we are going to get extended looks at chekwa and dvd there will be no doubt if these guy can play or not going into 2013!!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Palmers not getting cut…. Reggie and Allen have enough commonsense to know what Palmer stepped into and what Palmers situation was coming off the couch ..
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Chekwa will be in the mix for sure.
Chekwa + mid to upper level FA DB + rookie
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Huff has a 4 million dollar roster bonus coming on March 16th..
Yea, we’ll see.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Who’s next?
I say Seymour
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Right, $15 million of which $7.5 is guaranteed. Roster bonus of $7.5 not guaranteed. Wonder if it would be a positive or negative hit on cap. I heard if the Colts trade Manning, the cap hit is $40 mill plus. Nothing if they cut him
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Tight ends are becoming a hot commodity in the NFL.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
“Punt boulders” I think Cork is going to steal that one from you JFB.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Wasnt a prediction brethren. I knew it was in the works.
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No reason to doubt you bruh.
NFL contract are ridiculous. I guess Al gets some credit for putting out clauses in Routt and Wimbley’s contract?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
Corner was one of our biggest needs before we cut our best corner.
Where’s that list of FA corners again?
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Routt set the NFL record for penalties by a corner at 17 and allowed the most TDs in the NFL at 7. We may resign him at a bargain, or we can replace him we could sign 2 guys for his money…
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
ProFootbalFocus ProFootballFocus.com
Routt graded reasonably well in coverage, and numbers are OK, but offset a LOT of receiving yardage with penalty yardage. Skews data
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New Leadership & New Vision
Players who don’t fit and Al’s pet projects are toast.
I like it.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
all would command at least a 2nd round draft choice.
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Your kidding right?
We might not 2nd’s for all four of them combined!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Keep ya Fat fingers away from Mcfadden, and there wont be any problems Mr Bossman.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Wimbley should be restructured and I don’t think he should be cut….but who knows the wording and variables in Wimbleys contract.
I think Wimbley is valuable to retain, especially at a lower price and he can plugged in as the starting RDE so he can concentrate on rushing the passer and cause disruption in the backfield. That is his strength.
It’ll be interesting to see what happens with Seymour Butts and his contract though. Hmm….
February 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Wasnt a prediction brethren. I knew it was in the works.
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No reason to doubt you bruh.
NFL contract are ridiculous. I guess Al gets some credit for putting out clauses in Routt and Wimbley’s contract?
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Like a gift from the grave.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
I expect Chekwa to start at either safety or cornerback this year.
I’m hoping the Raiders resign Branch and then sign Landry at he safety positions.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
And so it begins.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
For the record, Michael Huff is next, he is due 9.8 million if he is on the roster on 3/16
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WOW!
Very interesting info guys.
Routt, Huff, Wimbley, and Seymour all get axed???
None of them restructure those ridiculous numbers????
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
Mistic, I think the untouchables are:
Vehldeer, Wisniewski, Moore, Palmer, McFadden, Boss.
I include the other four, because all six will not be cut, but could be traded; all would command at least a 2nd round draft choice.
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I would agree on lil wiz and vehldeer, solid o line men that could be great players and you can build around them for the next few years.
The rest of the guys you mention not so much. Salary and production must match in the new regime, being a fan favorite isnt a factor
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Thankfully, most of the semi’s have weeded out the “why do you care how much they get paid, it’s not your money” crowd, and we can talk intellectually on the topic at hand.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Routt set the NFL record for penalties by a corner at 17 and allowed the most TDs in the NFL at 7. We may resign him at a bargain, or we can replace him we could sign 2 guys for his money…
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I have no problem with the Raiders getting out from under that contract.
Moving right along, mayne.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Wasnt a prediction brethren. I knew it was in the works.
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No reason to doubt you bruh.
NFL contract are ridiculous. I guess Al gets some credit for putting out clauses in Routt and Wimbley’s contract?
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Yep. The out clauses are HUGE!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I was stretching on Boss & Moore for a second rounder (I’ll admit- I just didn’t feel like typing a whole lot in that post*), but Darren and Carson would each get a second round draft choice on their own in a heartbeat.
*but now that you’ve got me started…lol
February 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
“We may resign him at a bargain, or we can replace him we could sign 2 guys for his money…”
I knew Al was still alive.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
I liked that DB from Vandy we saw in the Senior Bowl.
Good instincts, and if he is attending Vanderbilt, dude has some smarts to him.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
JDJohnDickinson John Dickinson
Stanford Routt led the league in penalties w/17 and CB’s in touchdowns allowed w/9 #Raiders @957thegame
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Sapp said a few years ago that players were stealing money from the Raiders. Guess the free ride is over.
If you are overpaid and under performing you should BE AFRAID… BE VERY AFRAID
February 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Thankfully, most of the semi’s have weeded out the “why do you care how much they get paid, it’s not your money” crowd, and we can talk intellectually on the topic at hand.
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Amen. One of the more asinine arguments I’ve heard in here.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
fingers Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Palmers not getting cut…. Reggie and Allen have enough commonsense to know what Palmer stepped into and what Palmers situation was coming off the couch ..
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only fans care about that excuse. palmer is grossly over paid for his production. My guess is he will survive this off season but if he flounders next year he wont be back in 2013
February 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
and I was just hitting this site to see who were some of the defensive coaches we’ve hired, Wow!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
but Darren and Carson would each get a second round draft choice on their own in a heartbeat.
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Possibly.
If their salaries were both about 25-35% less, we could probably get a first for each.
But nobody wants overpaid players, no matter how good they are.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
February 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
For the record, Michael Huff is next, he is due 9.8 million if he is on the roster on 3/16
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Yep. Sounds about right to me. Too much for Huff Daddy and he doesn’t restructure down big time, he is next.
Chubby knows what he has to do here and working the cap and getting rid of bad contracts is a priority.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Should the Raiders cut or trade Carson, then you can bet there will a wholesale reduction in the roster, because the Raiders are blowing it all up and rebuilding from the foundation up.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Boss wont get cut, he is only slated to make $2 million next year. Hell thats HALF what our punter makes… he is safe.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
my list:
Michael Bush (OAK)
Jason Snelling (ATL)
Justin Forsett (SEA)
LaRod Stephens-Howling (ARZ) – Restricted
Vincent Jackson (SD)
Dwayne Bowe (KC)
Earl Bennett (CHI)
Pierre Garcon (IND)
Chaz Schilens (OAK)
Martellus Bennett (DAL)
Carl Nicks (NO) – OG
Nick Hardwick (SD) – OC
Chris Myers (HOU) – OC
Jared Gaither (KC) – OT
Russ Hochstein (DEN) – OG
Dan Connolly (NE) – OG
Antonio Garay (SD) – NT -
Aubrayo Franklin (NO) – NT
Kroy Biermann (ATL) – DE
Jarvis Moss (OAK) – DE
Paul Soliai (MIA) – NT
Mario Williams (HOU)
Curtis Lofton (ATL
Anthony Spencer (DAL)
London Fletcher (WAS)
Kirk Morrison (BUF)
Isaiah Ekejiuba (DET)
Jonathan Goff (NYG)
Stephen Cooper (SD)
Brent Grimes (ATL)
Carlos Rogers (SF)
Cortland Finnegan (TEN)
Brandon Carr (KC) –
Aaron Ross (NYG)
Lardarius Webb (BAL) – CB – Restricted
LaRon Landry (WAS)
Tyvon Branch (OAK)
Jim Leonhard (NYJ)
Dashon Goldson (SF)
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
77.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…/…palmer is grossly over paid for his production. My guess is he will survive this off season but if he flounders next year he wont be back in 2013
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Brilliant!
Couldn’t tell you’re not a big CPalmer fan, Mistic!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
this is a breath of fresh air..things are finally being done what many felt should have been done years ago…..all these changes will only mean that we will no longer be the laugh of the nfl in terms of ownership and the way egos run a team…that trophy will now be given to jerry jones and the dallas cowboys…
February 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Isaiah Ekejiuba – PWHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
February 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
It NEVER made any sense for Al Davis to let Aso go without getting anything for him or signing him and then turn around and make Routt the third highest paid corner at $31.5 million.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
If ANY players “flounder” this year, than they probably won’t be back in 2013.
LOL at that one.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
hahahahaha……
I TOLD you all Routt sucked!!!!
Apparently RM and DA agree with me. So long sucker and dont let that door hit your rear ends as you walk out. Finally, no more dysfunction.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
No draft, no FA spending money, makes sense to get things in order now when you can’t really build anyway.
Things are about to get BLOWED UP(I miss Emmitt Smith) in Oaktown.
Al’s crazy contracts are done. No more BS.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Isaiah Ekejiuba would make minimum and was good on special teams, our coverage sucked this year
February 9th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Last 4 years, one team that went to the Super Bowl did not make the playoffs the year before.
2012 = Raiders Super Bowl berth
Drink it!!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
AIG,
You see I gave you props on the last thread?
Good call.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Routt has no natural feel for the game of fb. You can clearly see that when he attempts to play the ball. There is no bigger Routt hater than me. Looking forward to having real dbs playing in our backfield.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
If the Raiders are serious about cleaning house,and it appears they are. Every out of whack contract will get axed this year.
It leaves the financial house in order moving into 2013, and allows roster space for other FA’s and draft picks. That will contribute moving forward into the 2012 season.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Richard Tavares @rickyrich14 Our best cover corner gone. Plays strict man to man. Heavily penalized CUZ HE’S A RAIDER!! He will flourish on another team!!
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Had to post this in here, sorry if the poster happens to be a member but… God DAMMIT man why do Raider fans have to constantly make us look stupid by saying this shiz… We lead the league in penalties because we MAKE STUPID DECISIONS AND HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
weve always had bad disciplined throughout the years…many different players and same crap with penalties….reggie is doing what he has to do and it will only be worth it in the end..dont worry nation…remember..in order for things to get better they have to get worse first..and that is whats happening..im pumped up and excited about this team
February 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
I was stretching on Boss & Moore for a second rounder (I’ll admit- I just didn’t feel like typing a whole lot in that post*), but Darren and Carson would each get a second round draft choice on their own in a heartbeat.
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what is this statement based on?
dmac cant stay healthy and missed more than half of the season last year. I cant see ateam parting with more than a 3rd rounder for him at this moment.
before carson came here he was being shopped for a 2nd and didnt get a sniff until hu jack panicked and gave up the ghost. after his abysmal showing his stock is lower than world com
February 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
JFB,
Been so busy making sales calls….you know how that can get. Didnt see your post and just accidently saw the twitter thing on Routt.
Thanks for the props man. How was your golf outing?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
Richard Tavares probably has a Raiders neck tattoo and can’t name 20 players on the team.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
We lead the league in penalties because we MAKE STUPID DECISIONS AND HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
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so true man.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
How was your golf outing?
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The one with Eldrick J. Hill?
It’s in late April.
Bang out the calls, keep that drip going.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Whoever restructured Routts deal deserves a fvckin BIG raise. $5 mill guaranteed this year (if he was on the roster on 2/10) and $15 mill guaranteed for 2013 which he never would have seen.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
We lead the league in penalties because we MAKE STUPID DECISIONS AND HAVE NO ACCOUNTABILITY.
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so true man.
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I think I believe in McAllen more than Hue to solve this problem
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
ProFootballFocus.com @ProFootbalFocus
Routt;s penalties last year: 8 Defensive Holding. 7 D Pass Interference, 1 Illegal Use of Hands and 1 Personal Foul. That’s a lot.
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They forgot 7 TDs given up including 5 on the same post pattern in the redzone. That about sums up my hate for this effer.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
.in order for things to get better they have to get worse first..and that is whats happening.
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Whats getting worse?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
made my day. Later boys.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Ain’t it great to have a GM that knows what he’s doing?
The times they are a changin’.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
We will NEVER solve the penalty problem because on any play you can throw a flag. If you’re wearing silver and black you’re less likely to get the benny of the doubt.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Should the Raiders cut or trade Carson, then you can bet there will a wholesale reduction in the roster, because the Raiders are blowing it all up and rebuilding from the foundation up.
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routt being cut is already the sign that whole sale changes are in the works, and no one is off limits
February 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
J,
Did you get my last comment from the prev post?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Wow. That’s a surprise, Whoa lookout Seymour.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
We will NEVER solve the penalty problem because on any play you can throw a flag. If you’re wearing silver and black you’re less likely to get the benny of the doubt.
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If you play clean the refs will call it clean. They don’t make up the boneheaded personal fouls, or offsides, or false starts, or illegal formations. We might not get the benefit of the doubt on the ticky tacky calls, but that makes up about 20% of our penalties.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
First shot across the bow; with a 16-inch gun, no less. Boss has had 4 concussions in his last 18 games, is that right? That doesn’t do much for his physical condition. Isn’t there some limitation on how many concussions a player can have over a specified time period? The other thing that the Raiders are looking at is a possible multi-game suspension for McClain; maybe even jail time. One thing is for sure: you’re going to see a lot of CBs run in and out.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Some stupid raider bloggers all panicked proclaming “this is a sign McKenize is rebuilding!”
lol!
No, gutting the Coaching staff, changing the O scheme, hybriding the D AND cutting players was a sign!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
77.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…/…palmer is grossly over paid for his production. My guess is he will survive this off season but if he flounders next year he wont be back in 2013
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Brilliant!
Couldn’t tell you’re not a big CPalmer fan, Mistic!
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im not hatin’ on him just connecting the dots, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to reach that conclusion
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
CP3 will be our starting QB in 2012 and beyond. I know you hate him but you better come to grips with that. He played for 2 million last year when he was due 7 million, the guy isnt about money, he will restructure to a more cap friendly deal.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Say what ya’ll want about the man, but in this no contact day and age style of mandated DB play combined with our previous school of thought on how DBs should play, Routt was solid IMO. Definitely not worth the price tag, but hopefully now that he is a free agent; I wouldn’t mind us signing him again for the low if we can get him….
February 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
$116- “No, gutting the Coaching staff, changing the O scheme, hybriding the D AND cutting players was a sign!”
true, by the way, I’m not panicking I’m excited to see it coming to full fruition!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
77.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…/…palmer is grossly over paid for his production. My guess is he will survive this off season but if he flounders next year he wont be back in 2013
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Brilliant!
Couldn’t tell you’re not a big CPalmer fan, Mistic!
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im not hatin’ on him just connecting the dots, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to reach that conclusion
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CP won’t get cut because the only other QB under contract is Pryor…. amongst a few dozen other reasons.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Seymour needs to fix his deal and retire in oakland. Bush is gone. Cant bock, someone will pay him more than we should.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Who knows. Not saying shizz about Routt. What if he restructures and comes back?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
51.fingers Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Palmers not getting cut…. Reggie and Allen have enough commonsense to know what Palmer stepped into and what Palmers situation was coming off the couch ..
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Cutting Routt and his salary are a smart move, cutting Palmer would be dumb move.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
CP3 will be our starting QB in 2012 and beyond. I know you hate him but you better come to grips with that. He played for 2 million last year when he was due 7 million, the guy isnt about money, he will restructure to a more cap friendly deal.
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I agree he will be in here in 2012, we were painted into a corner in that regard. he will need to play good football to earn his spot in 2013 though.
You really think they keep him if plays as poorly as he did last season?
I dont see how thinking this through means i hate him
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
I wonder if thid opens the door for a few former Raiders returning to the DB positions:
McFadden, Brown, Woodson
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Who knows. Not saying shizz about Routt. What if he restructures and comes back?
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I kind of figured this may be a possibility. had to release to avoid paying him. Restructuring just moves the money, if I recall.
It seems unlikely at this point, but its possible.
Wouldn’t be the first time a guy got cut and then resigned w/ same squad for less.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
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Thats what happens when your starting QB goes out for the year less than 48 hours before the trade deadline. We all know it was too much compensation… unless we win a Lombardi. No way were Hue and Mark going to throw away the season with Boller though
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Wolff Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Boy, Al was bad
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That’s all I’ve been saying for the last 7 years.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Al needed to go long ago.. Long live the fat man. Go RAIDERS!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
There are a lot of Raiders that are getting ready to be ‘former Raiders’. There is no point in keeping any vets. We are re-building not re-loading.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Cock the hammer, its time for action, McKenize be on his Cypress Hill trip.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Raiders need to resign Reece before we resign Bush!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
123. Bush should be franchised especially if Knappkin gets all run heavy.
This whole “RBs a dime a dozen with the ZBS” thing is harder than it looks.
A good back is a good back and Bush is well rounded as they get. He regressed in pass blocking yes but hes been good in yrs past after a shaky start.
can run, block, catch, throw, protect. Good back especially as a compliment.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Allen could be looking at Tracy Porter, a FA CB from the Saints.
Player like that could help secondary transition to the type of Defense Allen wants to run in Oakland.
Tracy Porter, CB, New Orleans Saints: He is a good, solid starting corner, and those guys get paid. The Saints probably won’t be able to keep him. He turns 26 in August.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
LA to TheBay Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
77.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
…/…palmer is grossly over paid for his production. My guess is he will survive this off season but if he flounders next year he wont be back in 2013
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Brilliant!
Couldn’t tell you’re not a big CPalmer fan, Mistic!
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im not hatin’ on him just connecting the dots, it doesnt take a rocket scientist to reach that conclusion
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CP won’t get cut because the only other QB under contract is Pryor…. amongst a few dozen other reasons.
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nobody said he would get cut this year fool, but he wont be handed a golden ticket for 2013 if he plays like he did this year.
he is no different than routt at this moment, a player grossly over paid, whos production doesnt match his salary all sizzle no steak
February 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Raiders should have given Brett a phone call!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Routt frustrated me plenty of times during the season, but I also felt many of those P.I. calls he amassed were bogus too. Get ready for an action-packed offseason.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Now Ive got some real confidence in this coaching staff.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
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Thats what happens when your starting QB goes out for the year less than 48 hours before the trade deadline.
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That’s what happens when you have no Plan B, and no competent backup QB on the roster. Al Davis.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
I love it.
In Reggie we trust. Go Raiders!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
136- good observation. Was allen in NO when they drafted him?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Reputation is huge amongst refs, in all sports.
You think you can talk of building a bully, have your Head Coach roll your eyes at the refs all the time, have your veteran “leader” bodyslam Tom Brady 5 seconds after the whistle blew, and jump offsides more than any other team, and think your going to get the benefit of the doubt on an illegal contact play?
Get real. Raiders have layed their bed, and now must lay in it.
Two years of solid, heady (and winning) football, and we will start to get the breaks from the refs.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Next on the chopping block?
Tommy Kelly?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
no reason to franchise Bush, way too many really good rbs on the free agent market this year.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
100PercentRaider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
136- good observation. Was allen in NO when they drafted him?
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He was his position coach.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Allen isn’t focusing on players, McKenzie is.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
Reggie go after Carl Nicks!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
123. Bush should be franchised especially if Knappkin gets all run heavy.
This whole “RBs a dime a dozen with the ZBS” thing is harder than it looks.
A good back is a good back and Bush is well rounded as they get. He regressed in pass blocking yes but hes been good in yrs past after a shaky start.
can run, block, catch, throw, protect. Good back especially as a compliment.
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What has Michael Bush ever done to make you think he is worth $9 mill for next year. He rushed at 3.4 yards per carry (awful) displayed some of the WORST pass blocking by a back in the NFL this year and doesn’t want to be a back up. There is absolutely no way on gods green turf that we franchise Bush or ANYBODY on this roster.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
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the reason the palmer deal was met with hysterical laughter in some circles was because it was considered common knowledge carson could be had for a second rounder. He had no takers
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Next on the chopping block?
Tommy Kelly?
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Unless Reggie thinks he can get something for him, could be. We’ve got three 3-technique DT’s starting right now. You only need one, and Kelly is NOT the one to keep (that would be Lamarr Houston).
February 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Allen isn’t focusing on players, McKenzie is.
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Certainly.
Im sure he is asking for Allen’s opinion also though.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Let the dead wood chopping begin! There is a lot of dead wood on this roster. Stan Routt was paid “leadership” money to go out there and lead by example. The only thing he led in were meltdowns and penalties.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
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the reason the palmer deal was met with hysterical laughter in some circles was because it was considered common knowledge carson could be had for a second rounder. He had no takers
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And this is why Hue is no longer our de facto GM, thank goodness….
February 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
123. Bush should be franchised especially if Knappkin gets all run heavy.
This whole “RBs a dime a dozen with the ZBS” thing is harder than it looks.
A good back is a good back and Bush is well rounded as they get. He regressed in pass blocking yes but hes been good in yrs past after a shaky start.
can run, block, catch, throw, protect. Good back especially as a compliment.
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After what just happened today, I don’t think Mike Bush will see a franchise tag.
Denver took relative scrubs and made most look good running ZBS.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
O,
About the 150k investment?
Yeah, I don’t have an extra 150 on hand right now.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RaiderGuru The Don
“The Raiders essentially saved $10 million today as Routt was due $5 million, plus another $5 million “signing bonus,” this season. ” -CSN
February 9th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
We all wanted change, well here it is..BaaaAAMMMM!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I don’t think we are in a position this year to go after the top free agents. Second tier guys that are better than what we have as starters will be good enough.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
95 percent of the running backs inthe nfl aer not worth 8mil a yr. And Bush cant block or hit the edge.. Or more than 1 home run a yr. Bye bye
February 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
156. An made Knowshon a first rounder look bad…
February 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
95 percent of the running backs inthe nfl aer not worth 8mil a yr. And Bush cant block or hit the edge.. Or more than 1 home run a yr. Bye bye
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Agreed.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Allen isn’t focusing on players, McKenzie is.
……
Then this would be no different than when Al was here.
If Allen has no say in the roster and just has to make do with the players given him by McKenzie then we are no better off today than this time last year.
I refuse to believe that.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
156. An made Knowshon a first rounder look bad…
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That was with a different system..?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I like the 2nd tier of FA’s as well. Guys like Jim Leonard, Goff, Solai, Finnegan would be solid additions that likely wouldnt cost alot.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
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the reason the palmer deal was met with hysterical laughter in some circles was because it was considered common knowledge carson could be had for a second rounder. He had no takers
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You might not like Carson Palmer but Palmer is VERY highly respected in the league. We did not over pay for him. That Palmer had “no takers” is a little bit of a stretch. Especially in a QB league. One thing that Reggie McKenzie realizes is he had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers running his team. Dennis Allen had Tim Tebow. Everyone in this organization knows how important a Q is.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
100PercentRaider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
I like the 2nd tier of FA’s as well. Guys like Jim Leonard, Goff, Solai, Finnegan would be solid additions that likely wouldnt cost alot.
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I would love to think that Finnegan wouldnt cost a lot.
I just cant convince myself.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
The great Alameda purge of 2012 has begun…
February 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
156. An made Knowshon a first rounder look bad…
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Sucks for Denver.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
no reason to franchise Bush, way too many really good rbs on the free agent market this year.
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Like who?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Now we need to find an anchor for the dline
February 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
boom goes the dynamite.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
181. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfl3P9WxbYc
Hate the edits but somewhere in there you can start to see Bush is a gr8 back. Nearly gained 1,000 yds filling in this yr.
His kind hard to find. If not franchised then long term him.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
After what just happened today, I don’t think Mike Bush will see a franchise tag.
Denver took relative scrubs and made most look good running ZBS.
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I was pretty sure they would tag, Bush. Now, not so much.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
168- you might be right on that one. Maybe Carr from KC?
February 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
Difference is Al detrmined the roster and the coaching staff;
this year from hear on out; the GM focuses on bringing players to the Raider organization; the Head coach forms his own staff.
The cooperation between Reggie & Dennis will be detrmining who makes cuts for the Raiders 53 man roster.
completly different than Al’s era
February 9th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Jraider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
boom goes the dynamite.
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LOL………
Pretty much sums up Routts day…lol
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Don’t franchise anybody!!!
No need to, nobody is worth top 5 money at their position.
Bush is good, and I would like him back, but not at ANY COST.
Obviously, the new regime (thankfully) pays attention to the cost part of the equation and the value aspect of it.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I should get owner of the year for hiring the fat fella and getting the f_#k out of the way!
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
After what just happened today, I don’t think Mike Bush will see a franchise tag.
Denver took relative scrubs and made most look good running ZBS.
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I was pretty sure they would tag, Bush. Now, not so much.
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Ya
I was on the fence about what I thought they would do with Bush.
Today shoved me into the “not gonna happen” camp.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Cortland Finnegan coming to Oaktown. Steven Tulloch next in line at the ticket counter. Bush ain’t going anywhere.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
List of 2012 free agent RBs
LaRod Stephens-Howling – ARI (R)
Chester Taylor – ARI
Gartrell Johnson – ATL (R)
Jason Snelling – ATL
Jason McKie – BAL
Ray Rice – BAL
Tashard Choice – BUF
Tyrell Sutton – CAR (R)
Jerome Felton – CAR
Matt Forte – CHI
Kahlil Bell – CHI (R)
Chris Pressley – CIN (R)
Fui Vakapuna – CIN (R)
Peyton Hillis – CLE
Spencer Larsen – DEN
LenDale White – DEN
Maurice Morris – DET
Aaron Brown – DET (R)
Ryan Grant – GB
Derrick Ward – HOU
Brock Bolen – JAC (R)
Thomas Jones – KC
Steve Slaton – MIA
Deon Anderson – MIA
Lorenzo Booker – MIN
Thomas Clayton – NE (R)
LaDainian Tomlinson – NYJ
Mewelde Moore – PIT
Isaac Redman – PIT (R)
Jacob Hester – SD
Mike Tolbert – SD
Justin Forsett – SEA
Marshawn Lynch – SEA
Brit Miller – STL (R)
Cadillac Williams – STL
Jerious Norwood – STL
Earnest Graham – TB
Kregg Lumpkin – TB (R)
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
177. Just now figuring that out? Now that Al is dead and someone else is in charge, rosters will be handled differently…”
February 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
It’s a fact that Pete Carrol, offered Cincinnati a 2nd round draft choice for Carson; Mike Brown said no, he’s not trading Carson; it was only becuase of Hue’s relationship with Brown, that Hue was given carte blanche by Mark & Amy that the Raiders traded for Palmer; he made them an offer Cincy could not refuse.
February 9th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
180. Hey, you hired him…
February 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
179… Reason at last
February 9th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
I should get owner of the year for hiring the fat fella and getting the f_#k out of the way!
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top ten post of the year!
foflmao
February 9th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Don’t franchise anybody!!!
No need to, nobody is worth top 5 money at their position.
Bush is good, and I would like him back, but not at ANY COST.
Obviously, the new regime (thankfully) pays attention to the cost part of the equation and the value aspect of it.
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NOBODY on our CURRENT ROSTER is worth top 5 money.
I hope someday we have one or two that will be.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Mistic also believes that Hue called Mike Brown and his first offer was a 1 and a conditional 2… he thinks they didn’t start low. LOL
February 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
RaiderweaponX, do you even know how to comprehend what you read?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Backs are a dime a dozen in zone blocking scheme. If Bush doesn’t give a hometown discount he is out the door with Reece and DMAC.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
The ego is gone.. We can now pay the players who produce
February 9th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Ray Rice and Matt Forte are the only backs on that list that I would take over Bush. And they aren’t going to come any cheaper. Bush is a more productive back in a ZBS than McFadden IMO. plus, his feet aren’t broken.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Get rid of Seymour, as well, and go after Mario Williams.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Holland coached two AP Defensive Rookies of the Year during his time in Houston, tutoring DeMeco Ryans and Brian Cushing,
Oh Boy Curry and Romac get ready to work baby
February 9th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Matt Forte is the best all-around RB in the NFL. He looks like Marcus Allen did back in the day.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
thanks RaiderRetribution, its my first day.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
KK,
If your getting rid of Seymour why go after Williams, we are not making a playoff run this year. Young, affordable players that fit the system. Vets are going out the door for draft picks. Rebuilding not reloading.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
A healthy DMAC is better than Forte.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
WHO IS NEXT?????????? http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/02/contracts-contracts-contracts-who-is.html
February 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
DT42 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
KK,
If your getting rid of Seymour why go after Williams, we are not making a playoff run this year. Young, affordable players that fit the system. Vets are going out the door for draft picks. Rebuilding not reloading.
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You’re right.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
If your getting rid of Seymour why go after Williams, we are not making a playoff run this year.
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We are absolutely making a run at the AFC West title next year, and anything less than winning it will be a major disappointment.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Good point #196, I like our whole staff. Coach em up!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
We aren’t rebuilding. You rebuild 2-14 teams, you fix 8-8 teams.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Stan Routt will be a starting CB for the Patriots next year.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Get rid of Seymour, as well, and go after Mario Williams.
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There would be a bunch of guys trying to do back flips if this happened, and then calling their chiropractor
in the morning.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
no reason to franchise Bush, way too many really good rbs on the free agent market this year.
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Like who?
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Like Marshawn Lynch who can be gotten for less than it would cost to franchise Bush!
But I know that’s too logical for some of you in here…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
The cut that’s gonna hurt is Reece. I think that he is one of the best weapons in the NFL. But I just don’t buy that Knapp is gonna change or even has the imagination to use him right. Knapp didn’t change his system for Vick he won’t change for Reece.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
And…running backs are NEVER a dime a dozen. How’d Taiwan’s explosion onto the scene work out?
If you have a chance to get, or keep, top talent, you must do it. MBush should be paid like he’s the #10-15 RB…because he is. He wasn’t the reason the Raiders didn’t make the Playoffs.
If MBush gets the going-rate for his production, I’d like it to be right here…he’s going to be even better.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
I think we can make a great run if things keep going our way in 2012
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
# bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Whoever restructured Routts deal deserves a fvckin BIG raise. $5 mill guaranteed this year (if he was on the roster on 2/10) and $15 mill guaranteed for 2013 which he never would have seen.
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Yep!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
New Regime, New players, New uniforms, New seats as i am upgrading my season tix. Cant wait for the season to start.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Cut Chaos!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
New unis? No
February 9th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Why do people keep saying Lynch would be cheaper than MBush? Lynch has a pretty impressive resume’ and hi-lite reel.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
208. Lynch is either on or off. Too inconsistent and had some off field issues too…
Bush? DUI dropped and his BAL was barely the legal
February 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Seymour will stay as a veteran precence for this Youngstas. Next to get cut will be C. jhonson if he is not a free agent or groves
February 9th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
If bush was a top 10-15 back, and worth 8mil a yr… Someone would hae compensated us for him last yr, at 2.whatever mil..
February 9th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
I expect that after the ‘out-of-whack’ contract purge is all said and done that we will have roughly 20-25mil in free space. I see a bunch of 2nd tier ‘value’ free agents being brought in, and 1 big time player, which will be on defense. Could feasibly be Mario Williams. No way Houston can franchise him because his tag # will be 22.9 million per Rotoworld.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
215 nike taking over not *necesaraly new unis
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Stan Routt will be a starting CB for the Patriots next year.
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Wouldn’t that be something if Routt and Moore were starting for the Patsies next year.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
# bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
Whoever restructured Routts deal deserves a fvckin BIG raise. $5 mill guaranteed this year (if he was on the roster on 2/10) and $15 mill guaranteed for 2013 which he never would have seen.
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Yep!
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and thanks to whoever it is, we have plenty of money to give him a raise
February 9th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
Reloading…not rebuilding. We should’ve won the division, and we can push for it this year for sure. A few key moves, not a fire-sale, are what we need. But, as we’ve already seen…there are going to be some doozies. From outside-in, too!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
DT42 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
The cut that’s gonna hurt is Reece. I think that he is one of the best weapons in the NFL. But I just don’t buy that Knapp is gonna change or even has the imagination to use him right. Knapp didn’t change his system for Vick he won’t change for Reece.
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Actually Reece fits perfectly into Knapps style of offense. I expect him to be either our first or second free agent resigning
February 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Get rid of Seymour, as well, and go after Mario Williams.
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They don’t play the same position, Seymour played very well for us, and if you let him go and can’t get Williams which you probably can’t, then what happens?
The problem wasn’t with Richard Seymour. Seymour was set up to let others make the plays. If there was a lack of production on the defensive side, you should probably start with everyone but Seymour.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Bush-discount or gone
Kelly-discount or gone
Wimbly-discount or gone
Huff-discount or gone
Questions?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Stan Routt will be a starting CB for the Patriots next year.
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Wouldn’t that be something if Routt and Moore were starting for the Patsies next year.
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And he will play the exact same way he did here and not get called for any PI’s! Remember i said that sh1t!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
I expect that after the ‘out-of-whack’ contract purge is all said and done that we will have roughly 20-25mil in free space. I see a bunch of 2nd tier ‘value’ free agents being brought in, and 1 big time player, which will be on defense. Could feasibly be Mario Williams. No way Houston can franchise him because his tag # will be 22.9 million per Rotoworld.
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shonasty and mario williams on the edges would be devestating.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Wow.
I just read a report on the NFLN bottom line that Todd Bowles turned down an offer from the Raiders to be our DC and he turned down an offer from Bengals to be their DB coach for the Eagles DB coach job.
That freakin SUCKS!!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Henderson will be cut outright along with CJ37. Cooper Carlisle make be the third musketeer of that group.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
CorkOnTheNFL
Other players at risk of being cut by Raiders: DT Tommy Kelly ($6 million), CB Chris Johnson ($3.5M) and G Cooper Carlisle ($3M).
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Savage?????
February 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
No way we change our uniforms, Nike or not. If they do anything they might make our black jerseys have that ‘carbon fiber’ patter to them or something, but rest assured that our uni’s will not be changing.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Guess Bowles wanted to stay closer to home that bad huh?
That blows…he would have been a solid DC under Allen for the Raiders me thinks.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Cork tweets…..Others on notice
Seymour 7.5 guaranteed
Kelly 6 mil
Huff 4 mil roster bonus 4mil base
Johnson 3.5
Carlisle 3.0
Wimbley…11 guaranteed…Possible restructure
RoMac base salary $970,000 He did not imply Romac was on notice, I think He was putting his salary out to underscore his relative “cheapness”
February 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Ah this is getting better everyday. There isnt a moment of the day im not checking to see the new build of the oakland raiders. I knew this was gonna be fun and hard on some. Just sit back and watch guys and enjoy the ride. Its not gonna be smooth but it ll even out maybe this year maybe next but we will be back and Im loving it
February 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Chris Johnson is as good as gone.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Bush-discount or gone
Kelly-discount or gone
Wimbly-discount or gone
Huff-discount or gone
Questions
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Yes i do…
Do you use a comb to get that mop look??
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
DT42 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
The cut that’s gonna hurt is Reece. I think that he is one of the best weapons in the NFL. But I just don’t buy that Knapp is gonna change or even has the imagination to use him right. Knapp didn’t change his system for Vick he won’t change for Reece.
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Actually Reece fits perfectly into Knapps style of offense. I expect him to be either our first or second free agent resigning
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hope your right but I don’t compare Reece to:
Vonta Leech
Jason Snelling
Justin Griffin
all of those Broncos FB’s during Reeves tenure
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Oh yea, Seymour-discount or gonzo
Reece=production=new reasonable deal
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Yes some dead weight is cleared to adjust the ballast.
For all you lacking in conceptual reality, the concept of ownership is doing it your own way. Al Davis was the owner of the Raiders and doing it his way he won three NFL Championships. The five trips to the Superbowl included one just this past decade. You can’t name many owners that have done better. What you really need to know is that this is/was his team and as owner you get the freedom to do what you want. As a fan if you don’t like that go some place else. I had hoped that I/we had heard the last of you haters once Mr. Davis past. Sadly this isn’t true. Stop driving your dagger of ignorance in his, and indeed, all of Raiders Nations’ back with your rude and unwarranted negativity.
Piss off!
What RaiderNation never needed and still does not is haters.
# wolff Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Boy, Al was bad
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826cd130/article/owens-still-playing-not-ready-to-give-up-on-nfl-comeback?module=HP11_headline_stack
Lets go after T.O., have him pay us to play for the Raiders, and turn him into a bona-fide CB. Yeah.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
“RaiderDogg Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Stan Routt will be a starting CB for the Patriots next year.
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Wouldn’t that be something if Routt and Moore were starting for the Patsies next year.
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And he will play the exact same way he did here and not get called for any PI’s! Remember i said that sh1t!”
Nice post RaiderDogg!
Whats new man? Warren Hayes!!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
There’s a lot of restructuring going on as we speak. Routt probably told McKenzie to eff himself when he was asked to restructure. New sheriff in town for sure.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
I would not be surprised in the least to see Rashean Mathis in a Raiders uniform next year. Cortland Finnegan seems to fit the old Raider mold too…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Henderson will definitely be cut. I am no professional GM, but his $4 million per year contract was one of the worst we had…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
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What has Michael Bush ever done to make you think he is worth $9 mill for next year. He rushed at 3.4 yards per carry (awful) displayed some of the WORST pass blocking by a back in the NFL this year and doesn’t want to be a back up. There is absolutely no way on gods green turf that we franchise Bush or ANYBODY on this roster.
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Bush actually averaged 3.8 for the season.
That being said, out of the top 50 rb’s in the league, that 3.8 ranks 45th. Plus, he’s not a good blocker.
He IS durable though. Took the rock everytime he was asked.
Unfortunate they gave him said rock at the opponents 1 yd. line on a few occasions in hopes he’d be able to use his great “power” to get in the endzone.
I don’t wanna hate on the guy, it’s just I don’t think he deserves a franchise tag.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
219.Marks hair Says:
If bush was a top 10-15 back, and worth 8mil a yr… Someone would hae compensated us for him last yr, at 2.whatever mil..
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C’mon, pretty boy — If you want to be considered a good NFL exec., you’ve got to look at a larger picture…MBush is going to get paid. He’ll probably get ONE big year in bonus and salary, and then it will become smaller.
Somebody is going to guarantee MBush more than $10 Million, and he’ll be worth it in this market. Give MBush a healthy running mate or two, and watch the Raiders lead the NFL in rushing this year.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
SNB666
Did you know that Warren Haynes solo album is nominated for a grammy?
Thinking about buying a Les Paul…what’s new with you?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Cork just tweeted Big John Hendersons 2012 price tag…4 large.
Goodbye John.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Barley-Hops-Raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
Yes some dead weight is cleared to adjust the ballast.
For all you lacking in conceptual reality, the concept of ownership is doing it your own way. Al Davis was the owner of the Raiders and doing it his way he won three NFL Championships. The five trips to the Superbowl included one just this past decade. You can’t name many owners that have done better. What you really need to know is that this is/was his team and as owner you get the freedom to do what you want. As a fan if you don’t like that go some place else. I had hoped that I/we had heard the last of you haters once Mr. Davis past. Sadly this isn’t true. Stop driving your dagger of ignorance in his, and indeed, all of Raiders Nations’ back with your rude and unwarranted negativity.
Piss off!
What RaiderNation never needed and still does not is haters.
# wolff Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
Boy, Al was bad
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Word!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
Please do whatever you want to the roster, coaching staff, franchise staff, but DON’T MESS with our unis. Still the best in the NFL!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Henderson will definitely be cut. I am no professional GM, but his $4 million per year contract was one of the worst we had…
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Yup.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
238. I have an old timey barber
February 9th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Here’s a crazy idea: let Michael Bush walk and sign hometown hero Marshawn Lynch.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Finally besides Hue gettin schitcanned…Raiders make va good offseason move….now start cuttin them all that are dead weight or overpaid. Now I can get on board with that….still hate Knapp,wco,zbs Palmer and niner ties…but this move I agree with
February 9th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Many on here dont wanna hear rebuild but Im just sitting back and watching. Id rather see a raiders team like the past that played hard all quarters and made tackles than what we have been watching for years. Cant stop the run, over pursuit please clean house get picks and lets go
February 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
No way Reece gets cut.
Knapp knows how to use pass catching FB’s at least. He worked with Justin Griffith for years and Griffith is now quality control coach on offense.
If Reece is let go….something is seriously wrong.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
hope your right but I don’t compare Reece to:
Vonta Leech
Jason Snelling
Justin Griffin
all of those Broncos FB’s during Reeves tenure
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The whole concept of the wco is short high percentage throws, Reece is one of the greatest matchup nightmares in football out of the backfield, as he is essentially a very big WR playing back there. No way you dumb a (very cheap) weapon like that.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
“Did you know that Warren Haynes solo album is nominated for a grammy?
Thinking about buying a Les Paul…what’s new with you?”
No I did not know that but its great news the guy has been at it for so long to get a small amount of recognition after his long career is pretty cool.
Les Paul makes a great guitar are you going vintage or new?
I am working hard these days and still trying to get some of my tunes some exposure.
Excited about the new front office1
February 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Dogg….not crazy…quite a few posters are for that….B@uce included…Bush time to go bruh…get Marshawn Lynch on a btch!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
I will pay bush like an above average back up rb, or he can kick rocks
February 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Big John is definitely going to be let go. The contract he received was no good.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
If you’re looking for Defensive impact players. Mario Williams. Seymour’s aging, get rid of that salary.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
237.Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Chris Johnson is as good as gone.
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As he should be.
I realize when his sister was killed it was a devastating event, but for Hue to just give him the rest of the year off (like 6 games right?) and nobody really cared? It says something about his “impact” as a player.
Some here were posting to lay off him cuz we don’t know what its like for him etc., and I wondered how those same posters would’ve reacted if this tragedy happened in Palmer’s family and Hue had given him the rest of the year off?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Wow.
I just read a report on the NFLN bottom line that Todd Bowles turned down an offer from the Raiders to be our DC and he turned down an offer from Bengals to be their DB coach for the Eagles DB coach job.
That freakin SUCKS!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Reec can be kept as long as he doesn’t lead block…stop it guys…homeboy is awful when it comes to blocking….doesn’t have enough dog in his soul for it
February 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
The new regime of the Raiders has begun erasing what it believes to be the mistakes of the past, with the first big move coming in the release of cornerback Stanford Routt Thursday.
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I feel bad for Routt. Terrible blow to the mans ego but with all the money he made, he’ll be fine. Just release baby!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Next to be cut, RMR and the suckpuppets.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Kamerion Wimbley please answer your phone RM is calling you right now!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
gonna come back and bite them in the asz…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
@Marks Hair
LOL, Exactly the reply i wanted !!! Very good
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Kell…wow we agree generally on football things…yes Mario is a real difference maker while Seymour is a check collector
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Everybody better get used to the idea that they favorite player might get cut.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
SnB — Just what do you mean when you say you’re trying to get them some exposure? Who are you getting to pitch to?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Hues’ fatal mistake was playing RoMac after the incident. Dude should have sat him to prove to the team Hue is a no nonsense man. Raids went a barely 1-4 since then. Hue, you lost the locker room that day bud.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Krappy, how was that big anniversary last night? You know, the one you spent on the blog,
I’m sure KrappyWife loved all that attention from her former “ladies man”. That’s gotta be one of the funniest gems of all time.
Great work, old goat!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
DK…yup my boy Big John gotta jet the scene too
February 9th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Big John is definitely going to be let go. The contract he received was no good.
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I’m sure Big John would argue otherwise.
Which is the point.
New way of doing business now.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
There ya go reggie, Get the poison out
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Nailed it Slim Jim, Hue lost the locker room after the Romac incident.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Ya’ll get ready cause here we come. Its a new day in Raider land.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Routts Ego was shot after record breaking season in Penalties…Hes rich, hell live.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Reece will move to TE this year. You guys watch.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I realize when his sister was killed it was a devastating event, but for Hue to just give him the rest of the year off (like 6 games right?) and nobody really cared? It says something about his “impact” as a player.
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His sister and mother were shot on 12/7 so he missed the final 4 games. Family first man. His sister is dead and his mom was in critical condition. He needed to leave the team to be with his family. I’m ok with that, its a game man. I bleed this game, it is my religion, and my passion, but it is still just a game.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
RaiderDogg….I’ll take Mathis/Finnegan as our CB combo no doubt with chekwa as nickel bacl if he can do it….cut dvd…son of a btch likes lifestyle but has no passion for this game
February 9th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Kell…wow we agree generally on football things…yes Mario is a real difference maker while Seymour is a check collector
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Let’s keep it to football talk, then. I’m trying.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
# Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Reec can be kept as long as he doesn’t lead block…stop it guys…homeboy is awful when it comes to blocking….doesn’t have enough dog in his soul for it
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Raiders can draft a pure blocking FB in Rounds 6 or 7 in the draft.
Another mistake by old man Al and the scouts and coaches last year was the drafting of two TE’s in Round 6 and 7. Gordon and Ausberry.
FB Henry Hynoski was there for the taking in Round 6 and 7 and I was screaming at the TV for the Raiders to draft him. They didn’t and the rest is history.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Mathis/Finnegan
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That would be a NASTY tandem.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
I hope we give that Routt money to Carlos Rogers.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Is Finnegan more than just a mouth, never paid to much attention to his play more so his antics??
February 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Aig…perhaps…but can reece block consistently on the line? He looked like he lacked the dog to do it
February 9th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
If your over 30 or getting paid in the top 15 at your position, sign cheap. Or get the f-ck out!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
He is a solid corner, he does benefit from a very good DLine, but he can cover. Put it this way, he is MUCH better than anyone we currently employ (and I would have said that yesterday too)
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Lower CJ37’s salary and keep him.
Ditto Richard Seymour…he can keep the first $7.5 million, but cut that salary down. If not – have a nice life, Rich. The $7.5 mill saved from his salary could go a long way.
Or…find a way to sign/trade Seymour back East…even if there’s money left to be paid by the Raiders.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
# aig-raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Reece will move to TE this year. You guys watch.
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Sounds good to me….just as long as he is not asked to block much.
He is a matchup nightmare for opposing defenses in the passing game. He is a weapon.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Ok Kell…deal we shall keep it football cuz anything else we don’t agree…we all know u prolly smartest football guy on here…but…Mario would be a great pass rusher….Raiders haven’t had someone from the blindside get double digit sacks since lance johnstone in 2000 season…that’s a fkin shame
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES GETTIN’ READY TO BALL
Yo yo yo, it be goin’ down in 30mins at the Garden, whut whut? Takin’ the Purple & Gold Attack on the road bringing those 16 rings to Beantown.
Time to shut down old man Garnett, Pierce & Allen with some West Coast flava, mo wizzle
Firing up the PARTYDUDE 8500 Mai Tai Slurpee Maker right now, getting ready to get fizzle on some smooth slushy dizzle.
Gettin’ a BJ soon from a bartender at the Ritz. Homegirl knows how to treat their #1 guest, gotta keep it real, word
SMOKIN’ SPLIFFS & CREATIN’ MYTHS
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Reece will move to TE this year. You guys watch.
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I can see that, although having him line up in the back field gives us serious play disguiseabilty and flexibility and major matchup advantages.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reece wont be a TE. Bruce Campbell has a better shot at that conversion than Reece. I expect Reece will be listed as a RB instead of a FB this year. Dmac, Tjones, Reece and either Bush or a FA will be our RB core, with Tonga and a FA or Draftee filling the FB role.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reece produces, and is Very versitile. He will earn his money
February 9th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
thanks bcz24,
then i like the sound of him..
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Fk Carlos 49er Rogers
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
LAKE SHOW HOMIES GETTIN’ READY TO BALL
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Yup, time for a Mamba Showpiece…. Bynum Poster on KG, LAKER WIN, Happy mamba..
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
we all know u prolly smartest football guy on here
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I would beg to differ on that, but there is really no way to prove it…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
I disagree with the ones saying that hue lost the locker room after the ro-mac inccident you have to put your best players on the field if you trying to win + that story that dud told seems bogus. if someone fires a gun right next to your head while you on the groung something should had hapend to your head. hue lost the locker room after his power trip.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We’ve already got some young talent @ TE…besides Boss.
Boss is also probably looking at a pay-cut. If so, keep him. AND USE HIM.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Our backs should get more passes in the wc O
February 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Boss is also probably looking at a pay-cut. If so, keep him. AND USE HIM.
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Boss is only making $2 million next year. What do you want to cut him down to? League minimum?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Hayes…Seymour is done man…NE knew it…time to send him back east
February 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
but can reece block consistently on the line? He looked like he lacked the dog to do it
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I’m sure he can block just as well as Gates and that NE TE.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
We’ve already got some young talent @ TE…besides Boss.
Boss is also probably looking at a pay-cut. If so, keep him. AND USE HIM.
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Boss’ salary for 2012 is 2 mil from what i’ve read here.
I’d venture a guess that Greg Knapp will have a large say in what happens with Boss.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
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the reason the palmer deal was met with hysterical laughter in some circles was because it was considered common knowledge carson could be had for a second rounder. He had no takers
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You might not like Carson Palmer but Palmer is VERY highly respected in the league. We did not over pay for him. That Palmer had “no takers” is a little bit of a stretch. Especially in a QB league. One thing that Reggie McKenzie realizes is he had Brett Favre and Aaron Rodgers running his team. Dennis Allen had Tim Tebow. Everyone in this organization knows how important a Q is.
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this has nothing to do with like or dislike for palmer.
paying a huge salary and giving up the picks we did for a 32 year old qb with turnover issues is over paying.
no doubt qb is the most important postion, carson better perform or he will be gone in 2013, no matter what fans like or dislike him
February 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Keep Kevin Boss…he was most underused player in the NFL last year…yep entire league…hue and palmer did schitty at that
February 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
hahahahahahaaha…Told the Semi’s that everyone would be on the table…..
No one is sacred….
check cashers & scholars will be taking ahike….
February 9th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
I don’t know about Seymour being done, but he certainly shouldn’t be collecting ANYWHERE near 15 million per.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
finnegen? screw that washed up trash talker….routt is way better than him….
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Kudo’s to Mckenzie, and the org….
Keep blowing up the D side….Thats whats up…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
286,Brien,You say DVD,has no passion for the game,you heard from the streets,over heard something,What exactly?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Seymore is in the pb.. But still Way overpaid.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Hayes…Seymour is done man…NE knew it…time to send him back east
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What up B?
I’d dump Seymour as well.
Take the financial hit and clean the slate.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Jhill….reece and gates….ok see my point? Next
February 9th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I’m sure he can block just as well as Gates and that NE TE.
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Gates has never been asked to be blocker, so that isn’t a fair comparison. I watch a lot of NE games, considering the market I am in, and the fact that they get a ton of primetime games, and I can assure you, Gronk is a NASTY blocker.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
What about Ausberry and Gordon?
Someone’s getting cut outta Boss, Reece, Ausberry, Gordon, and Meyers.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
[...] of Hue Jackson then the hiring of a defensive mind in Dennis Allen weren’t enough of a warning, today’s surprising release of veteran cornerback Stanford Routt pretty much spells out the current [...]
February 9th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
So you wouldn’t want a Gates like TE?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
bring back hue!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Lenny….seymour sucks now…get him outta here…fkin take Kelly too…both suck vs run….Lamarr Houston’s time to play UT or 5 tech DE in 3-4
February 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Look at Krappy trying to make nice with his grandson Brian the Genital!
That’s awesome, maybe now you can enjoy a nice Kelly Family Valentine’s Day together!
I’m sure you’ve already bought stuffed pink teddy bears for one another. Holla!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Cmon guys …
The point was like Gates and BOYD, we wouldn’t need Reece to be a dominant blocker with what he would bring to the passing game.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Jhill…yes but reece ain’t gates…and u know that….gates is a great player….reece is a decent player
February 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Wow, that was aggressive. Me like…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Keep Kevin Boss…he was most underused player in the NFL last year…yep entire league…hue and palmer did schitty at that
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I think that was more on Hue. Both Boss and Reece were significantly underused. You can’t hit Reece with a pass if he’s not in there. At times, one would think that Reece had the 2nd half off in many games. Likewise, Keeping Boss in as a blocking TE and part of the ass protection kind of takes him out of the equation. He could have made a much larger contribution in the red zone if he had been used correctly. He’s a big target but he has to be in the pattern to make a difference. Hue always wanted to go for the long ball rather than just move the chains. Boss should be big for us next year if he’s here.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Beecher…..we talking football….take a break from giving fellatio to ur trannies and feel free to join in
February 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Lenny….seymour sucks now…get him outta here…fkin take Kelly too…both suck vs run….Lamarr Houston’s time to play UT or 5 tech DE in 3-4
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Reggie is obviously serious about gettin this thing together.
I’d take all of the “out of whack” contracts and flush them now.
Find value and system fits.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ausberry and Gordon are still eligible for the practice squad. Meyers would probably get the axe if I had to pick specifically from those 5 guys
February 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Ausberry was drafted to be used like Jimmy Graham in NO. We will see if he’s got that in him…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
I like how some of you say …” RM and Da agree with me” lol ..like they give a flying ….. What you think…too funny!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
It is Lamarr Houston’s time to break out. If Shaughnessy’s healthy, it could be great.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain #32 says we cut our best DB. What is he best at? Getting burned for TDs or holding.
Routt was a track guy who tried to play football, but was never quite able to do it.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Yeah Boss was not used properly last year. I don’t what Hue’s problem was with the TE position last year…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Hendu…after we lost Det game….dvd was laughing and joking in locker room and tweeted HOW EXCITED HE WAS FOR TONIGHTS XMAS PARTY….guys like that have gotta go…that’s been an issue here…guys care about the party and not the game
February 9th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
I dont think Mistic said Routt was our best DB, I think that was someone else, truth is Routt WAS our best CB. LOL, doesn’t say much for our secondary
February 9th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Lofty….in Palmer’s career he barely goes to TE…JC at least looks to TE
February 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Are you cutting Growncowski too..?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Reece can be a pass catching TE. He’s got as much skills as Gronkowski or Hernandez. He’s even faster than Bush and most LBs. RM loves TEs. Reece to TE book it.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
JC didnt utilize the TE’s much this year either. It was the offensive game plan. For whatever reason it just didn’t include the TE game much.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Of course routt was our best cb….who else was? Dvd? CJ? Lito?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Reece is not a TE… Hell why don’t you just move DHB to TE. Sh1t he is a better blocker than Reece anyways.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Throughout course of Jc’s career we know he looked to Te…Palmer? Never
February 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
laughing and joking in the locker room..? Didn’t realize.they let fans in the locker room
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Hue seemed to favor Ausberry over Boss. Why, I don’t know. But it seemed Ausberry was on the field more than Boss.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
When the dust settles. Reggie will be known as, “Machete” McKenzie….
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
When you are worried about guys having a good time after a loss then its you that have invested too much of yourself in a Sport.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
like Jimmy Graham in NO
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That is the NE TE I was talking about.
I think Reece and Ausberry could certainly be everybit the nightmare matchup for LBs and safeties that Gates, Graham, Hernandez, Gronkowski, etc could be.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
rodn5yn Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain #32 says we cut our best DB. What is he best at? Getting burned for TDs or holding.
Routt was a track guy who tried to play football, but was never quite able to do it.
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Yep sad but true he was the best db on the roster, that isnt saying much
February 9th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
laughing and joking in the locker room..? Didn’t realize.they let fans in the locker room
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They might.
DVD tweeted it apparently…
See the difference?
February 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Great day of discussion…
Happy Hour is upon me, time to take advantage.
It’s a great off-season to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
February 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Yep sad but true he was the best db on the roster, that isnt saying much
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He was the best CB… Branch is the best DB.
February 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Yeaaa buddy finally got rid of Routt…. We get rid of Kelly and maybe Big Mac will go out and draft Mike Martin…. Schilens is gonna finally be gone he’s alway been cool when talking to him and was always cool to talk too but he’s just fragile to play on this squad…. Michael Bush and his little stutter step before he hits the hole will be gone… Cant wait to see how this free agency goes…
February 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
So what happens? Routt gone, or…is it a ploy to resign him at a much cheaper rate? I say he’s gone! But B’s got a point…DVD, Checkwa, Lito? Who steps up? Or, are we targeting some FA CB or drafting one?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
like Jimmy Graham in NO
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That is the NE TE I was talking about.
I think Reece and Ausberry could certainly be everybit the nightmare matchup for LBs and safeties that Gates, Graham, Hernandez, Gronkowski, etc could be.
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IF they can show average blocking ability, that would be fun to watch.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Nothing wrong with having a good time after losing..you want him to go home and cry like you…?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Possible Bowles was insulted Raiders didn’t offer him HC gig?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Reece wasn’t a FB either, Bcz.
He’s a WR if you want to get technical.
No one is talking about lining him up in the goal line formation to clear holes.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Im sure Routt was told he could come back if his contract demands are in line, he suffered a lot from the same schematic issues the rest of the D did. He may or may not want to take that opportunity though.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
J Hill Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Reece wasn’t a FB either, Bcz.
He’s a WR if you want to get technical.
No one is talking about lining him up in the goal line formation to clear holes.
Yup, that is where the Tonganator comes in!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Cutting Routt is but the start, Raider Nation remember Gman VCruz was an undrafted free agent……there is a lot of talent that needs to be Scouted properly and that is the best skill of RMK. He will not be failing at acquiring talent by any or all means.
Keep Bush and Boss for sure, cut Boller, sign as many undrafted FAs that make competitive sense after the draft. We have a great young receiving corp and Palmer is going to work or be cut.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Im sure Routt was told he could come back if his contract demands are in line, he suffered a lot from the same schematic issues the rest of the D did. He may or may not want to take that opportunity though.
I’m thinking that maybe he was insulted and would not want to come back…But he is still due that 5 million guarantee!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Yup. Reece was a WR @ Wash I believe. Dude is a very good pass catcher and running with the rock. He’d be the best TE since Z Miller. (miller was suspect in blocking as well)
February 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
306. Then explain after the Romac incident our season went South, when before that we were 7-4. Obviously something had to have caused some disruption?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Yo yo yo blog goobers, got the first Mai Tai DOWN, working on #2 before tip off, word
Also trying to roll this mammoth spliff, it’s got some classic E LA dirt weed and KGB from Santa Cruz. Gettin’ super stoney for the Celtic take down, sizzle
Anyone else got Valentine’s Day plans like Brian the Genital and his grandpa Krappy? Their reconciliation has just made me warm all over – wait, that’s part of the lit spliff I just dropped on my nads
STEP IT UP BEFORE YOU GET MESSED UP
February 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m thinking that maybe he was insulted and would not want to come back…But he is still due that 5 million guarantee!
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Nope, that $5 million wasn’t guaranteed unless he was on the roster tomorrow, hence the cut today. We owe him nothing.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
Have a hunch Routt will be in Dallas. Then we will see what excuses people come up with when he leads in yellow flags again.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Ausberry could be our Vernon Davis and keeping Reese is a no brainer.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Yup. Reece was a WR @ Wash I believe. Dude is a very good pass catcher and running with the rock. He’d be the best TE since Z Miller. (miller was suspect in blocking as well)
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Reece “could” be Todd Christensen.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
IDIOT ALERT IDIOT ALERT
Have fun chasing that Metamucil down with some Tums, old goof!
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HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Great day of discussion…
Happy Hour is upon me, time to take advantage.
It’s a great off-season to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Hue losing the locker room! Accountability was all but a sham after the McClain incident! Whether or not he is innocent, he should have been made an example of…
And you guys can say what you want about B, but his hindsight this year was almost spot on!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Beecher…very lame and outdated….you need new material in the worse way
February 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Thanks hwnrdr….schit was obvious…us folks deserved better…we supported the team and they laid down like wimps
February 9th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
I’m thinking that maybe he was insulted and would not want to come back…But he is still due that 5 million guarantee!
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Nope, that $5 million wasn’t guaranteed unless he was on the roster tomorrow, hence the cut today. We owe him nothing.
This is what Ijust read, just saying…
Routt’s $5 million base salary was guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday. Routt still is due a $5 million roster bonus, which is guaranteed.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Thanks hwnrdr….schit was obvious…us folks deserved better…we supported the team and they laid down like wimps
Agreed! Like we kept saying all year…WE DID OUR PART!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
306. Then explain after the Romac incident our season went South, when before that we were 7-4. Obviously something had to have caused some disruption?
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Very simple. The Raiders were a mediocre team that was overachieving at 7-4. Injuries took their toll and finally caught up to us, combined with getting to the real difficult portion of our schedule. Say what you want about Miami, but they were one of the best down the stretch, and if not for the shoddy play of Henne early they would have been a playoff team.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Throughout course of Jc’s career we know he looked to Te…Palmer? Never
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Palmers TE in cincy was Reggie Kelly. Reggie kelly is a blocking TE. Mike Brown had no idea the difference between a blocking TE and pass receiving TE. Seriously.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Sharkcatcher…..even bay area writers wrote about that day….u may need to keep up my friend
February 9th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Raiderlen,
For sure man. Reece made an awesome catch (from Palmer) against the Broncos and I knew right then he can be very special if they ever move him to fulltime TE.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Thanks hwnrdr….schit was obvious…us folks deserved better…we supported the team and they laid down like wimps
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You’re right about that.
I think those days are done.
Old school Raiders effort will be on display moving forward.
There might be a bump or two, but things have changed.
Today’s event say’s as much.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Seymour…this isn’t new with carson on the TE many knew this…stop making excuses for him
February 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Palmer is a good QB man, if the TE is in the game plan it will get used.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Anything Rout did well was immediately wiped out by his undisciplined play. Way to many penalties. I hope this sends a clear message to the rest of the defense,I.E. Seymore and Rolando. Get on board or get the hell out.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Anyways fellas…at least today was good news….we need more in the days ahead…I hope knapp has an emergency and has to re sign as OC…that would be good….y’all be cool
February 9th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Seymour…this isn’t new with carson on the TE many knew this…stop making excuses for him
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Facts are facts whether you agree with them or not. Kelly still caught over 30 passes as a blocking TE.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Len, what’s up man? I hope those days are done! I shook my head at a lot of 4 qtr meltdowns this year, whether we weathered the storm or not!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826d1780/article/routt-released-by-raiders-one-season-into-fiveyear-contract?module=HP11_headline_stack
Seems like I heard this before. JaRu got a big contract and the released him too.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Reece @ TE = Ethan Horton, Z Miller or T. Christensen.
Make it happen RM/DA
February 9th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
Palmer is a good QB man, if the TE is in the game plan it will get used.
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he may have been good at one time may even be good again one day, but as of now?
30 picks in his last 19 starts 8 returned for tds. i would call that good, and im surprised you would.
lets hope he can recapture the magic of 2005
February 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Bcz.I think he is a spoiled rich boy who lacks the dog to be a real leader….we shall see..we just don’t agree…I don’t think he is worth the Charmin Ultra he wipes his butt with…hated him since USC.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Didnt Eli lead the league in ints 2 yrs ago?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
383. Sorry, but remember all we had to do was beat a beatable fins and chargers squad, every team has to fight through the injury plague, and at that time didn’t we have a better record than the G-men who were supposedly in turmoil and talking of canning Coughlin at the end of the season?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
While he once again held opponents to a low completion percentage (47.4 percent) and allowed less than 6 yards per pass attempt for the season, according to STATS, Routt was credited with allowing eight touchdown passes — tied for the second-most in the NFL — and led the league with 17 penalties committed, according to STATS.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Is Reggie McKenzie re-loading or re-building? I have no idea, but when you cut your #1 Cornerback, I gotta think he’s re-building.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Hell Yeah!!!
Thank you Reggie!
Freakin Routt took 2 years off my life. My neighbors will be happy now that i won’t be cussing at the top of my lungs on sundays anymore.
Best off season ever, and it’s just the beginning!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Bcz.I think he is a spoiled rich boy who lacks the dog to be a real leader….we shall see..we just don’t agree…I don’t think he is worth the Charmin Ultra he wipes his butt with…hated him since USC.
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B,
I have never seen a qb called a ” good qb” after throwing 30 picks in 19 starts with 8 returned for tds, have you?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Didnt Eli lead the league in ints 2 yrs ago?
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exactly eli is jeykll and hyde, he cut down the picks and what do you know they win the superbowl
February 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
good enough.
most talented and most-overpaid member of a secondary that unleashed the worst season of pass defense in Raider history is now moot.
as any restaurant knows, if the meal cost doesn’t make the sales it is axed from the menu.
Reggie on.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Len, what’s up man? I hope those days are done! I shook my head at a lot of 4 qtr meltdowns this year, whether we weathered the storm or not!
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Hwnrdr…….it’s all good!
I now know for sure that Reggie is gonna get this thing right.
I thought He would when He was hired.
Today just affirms a belief.
Meltdowns in the 4th Qtr were very hard to witness.
Moving forward.
I don’t think we will see a game where the other team never punts.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
405. Amen!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
I like the idea of Reece used more as a RB.
He is pretty good with the rock in his hands, I liked those little traps and what not they used for him.
Not saying he should get 15 carries a game, but see no reason why he can’t get 4-7 a game, with more than just those FB dives.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
koolkell, I know, but most of the clowns here were too stupid to admit it, now they’re hoping on the bandwagon faster than the roadrunner. What a bunch of clowns, it’s funny looking at it. The real fans, that knew the deal and were not fooled, just waited patiently, now everything seems normal…
February 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Len, what’s up man? I hope those days are done! I shook my head at a lot of 4 qtr meltdowns this year, whether we weathered the storm or not!
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Hwnrdr…….it’s all good!
I now know for sure that Reggie is gonna get this thing right.
I thought He would when He was hired.
Today just affirms a belief.
Meltdowns in the 4th Qtr were very hard to witness.
Moving forward.
I don’t think we will see a game where the other team never punts.
Yeah, that was hard to swallow…only Lechler punted that day, evern if it was only once, that was the one that they stopped us…Giordano’s pick, well…
February 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Can Carson win a Super Bowl?
Probably not.
Can Carson win the division next year?
Absolutely (I say he will with confidence).
Gotta crawl before you can walk.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Is Reggie McKenzie re-loading or re-building? I have no idea, but when you cut your #1 Cornerback, I gotta think he’s re-building.
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Restructuring is an in-between.
Our #1 to their eyes isn’t worth 10 mil.
Restructuring the payroll and roster allows flexibility to bring in system fits and better value players.
So maybe the Team is better, rather than worse.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Can Carson win a Super Bowl?
Probably not.
Can Carson win the division next year?
Absolutely (I say he will with confidence).
Gotta crawl before you can walk.
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ill take it, honestly if he cuts the picks he would be very good
February 9th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Get rid of Seymour, as well, and go after Mario Williams.
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February 9th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Wolff Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
koolkell, I know, but most of the clowns here were too stupid to admit it, now they’re hoping on the bandwagon faster than the roadrunner. What a bunch of clowns, it’s funny looking at it. The real fans, that knew the deal and were not fooled, just waited patiently, now everything seems normal…
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Oh, how I know.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Can Carson win a Super Bowl?
Probably not.
Can Carson win the division next year?
Absolutely (I say he will with confidence).
Gotta crawl before you can walk.
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Palmer can win a SB
Just not by himself.
Gotta have the D.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Halfway through the season, I was very happy with Routt. Still thought he was overpaid but he was playing well.
Than he put together a horrendous 2nd half, and made those ridiculous comments at the end of the season. Really not sure if anybody played worse than Routt the last month of the season.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Agreed! Alameda had an earthquake that no one outside its walls felt!
Yes, Mario will demand too much! Big Rich may restructure, but we’ll see! I think that Johnny Holland hire, after reading a bit about him was a good hire! He did make Cushing a beast!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
you guys are blind…cj torched all our corners EXCEPT routt…careful what you ask for…
February 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Agreed! Alameda had an earthquake that no one outside its walls felt!
Yes, Mario will demand too much! Big Rich may restructure, but we’ll see! I think that Johnny Holland hire, after reading a bit about him was a good hire! He did make Cushing a beast!
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Holland sells roids?
Bu…dump…a!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
SnB — Just what do you mean when you say you’re trying to get them some exposure? Who are you getting to pitch to?”
HayesDaze37 if you are still here I will answer your question.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:35 pm
Olinesux Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
you guys are blind…cj torched all our corners EXCEPT routt…careful what you ask for…
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OK…I’m walking on eggshells now.
The horror!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Route was bad this year. It was his time to step up and he took a step down. Oh yeah, how much does S.Moore make? Yeah thought so. The days of over paying players are gone.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Let the games begin!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
lol…going to be comical….
February 9th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Great call! Routt is a joke just another wasted Al Pick. Dump em all! Let the heads roll baby!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Belichick is a fracking genius. The guy can take no names and dudes from a 7-11 Parking lot and build a Super Bowl team.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Agreed! Alameda had an earthquake that no one outside its walls felt!
Yes, Mario will demand too much! Big Rich may restructure, but we’ll see! I think that Johnny Holland hire, after reading a bit about him was a good hire! He did make Cushing a beast!
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Holland sells roids?
Bu…dump…a!
LOL, good one!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Wasn’t there like 28 UDFA playing in the Super Bowl? We may just see a bunch of unknowns this year!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:47 pm
I would like CJ back, as a backup, but not at that salary.
The unfortunate reality for some of these guys. They make too much money.
The downside of the big-contract. You will never hear an agent tell any of these players, but if they like playing somewhere, give them a minor discount, and you may end up making more money than signing some mega-deal and get whacked 2 years later.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
You people crack me up. Did it ever occur to anybody the reason the late Mr. Davis paid Routt that money was because he was worth it? Destined for greatness!!!
What the late Mr. Davis failed to see was Routt was going to need better coaches than what were aquirred. I totally blame the D coaching staff for Routts failures. It is that simple. Better coaches, better players. And Hues’ hand is a little stained too in this matter.
Big Mac should have kept Routt around with these new fantastic defensive minded coaches he has now procurred. They could have brought out the best in Routt.
I for one am sorry to see the man go. Routt will catch onto another team and the league will see what the late Mr. Davis saw in him. Print that!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
Routt is a big physical corner. He was cut likely to save millions but he’ll land somewhere and play well. Just hope its not the Broncos or in the division.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Let me get this straight, or is that a misprint…Keith Burns was hired to be an assistant ST coach while he coached DBS and was DC in San Jose?
February 9th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
IF we’re building a Green Bay attack style D Mac will want play maker DBs to make picks something Oakland hasn’t done very well lately
February 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
You are blaming coaches for Routts inadequacies? Thats a joke right? You ever see Routt cover while the ball is in the air? He looks like and octopus with a neck brace on. One of the first fundamentals you learn as a DB in HIGHSCHOOL is to turn and find the ball. But noooo, not Routt. He just flails his arms running forward. It’s pure comedy.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Routt to visit Buffalo and Tennessee
February 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Like I asked earlier, could it be that he was released and then being reworked on to a new contract? I have seen that happen before in the NFL…just wondering!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Vegas,
don’t settle for the malaise that infects the normal crowd.
you wrote “probably not” that CPalmer could win a championship.
shrug.
a mediocre QB like Favre could amass more yds and TDs and ints than any other QB – and still win a Super Bowl.
a super QB like Peyton can amass all great numbers and still win only one Super Bowl.
Brad Johnson, Doug Williams…
for KK et alii – “you can use my stats like a drunk man uses a lamppost – for support rather than illumination”. Padraig Harrington
February 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
#431 while what you state is interesting sometimes the management needs to cut some individuals to get others attention. Layoffs have the tendency to do that. I am sure the team felt they could work with Routt altho the dollar amounts were most likely prohibitive. I could imagine they asked him to restructure, and knowing Stan he wouldn’t. The new regime showed him who’s boss.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Routt to visit Buffalo and Tennessee
Ok, there’s my answer!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I think seymour restuctures along with kam. Bring Branch back and go get finnegan. And also like the idea of super mario. Move Lamarr inside and shonasty and mario outside? Oh boy the QB would be crying caliing the snap count. But thata a pipe dream. And i think henderson is done
February 9th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
Like I asked earlier, could it be that he was released and then being reworked on to a new contract? I have seen that happen before in the NFL…just wondering!
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I will bet it was the other way around. They probably asked him to rework and he refused.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
do the math
Seymour=gone
Henderson=Gone
Huff=Gone
Bush=Gone
Curry =maybe
chris johnson=gone
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/02/contracts-contracts-contracts-who-is.html
February 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Well, good luck to you Routt!
February 9th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
do the math
Seymour=gone
Henderson=Gone
Huff=Gone
Bush=Gone
Curry =maybe
chris johnson=gone
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/02/contracts-contracts-contracts-who-is.html
If that’s the case, there goes our D! Free agency, here we come…
February 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Old Al Davis was a disaster, bad picks, stupid contracts and bad decisions for years.
McKenzie is going to correct this, give him a year or two.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
Sorry to butt in, just got off work.
WOW.
February 9th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Reggie ready to rock and roll!
February 9th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Good riddance! RegMac getting rid of expensive garbage.
Next to go Palmer, Seymour, McClain, Wimbley…addition by subtraction, just get rid of the trash, baby…
February 9th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
do the math
Seymour=gone
Henderson=Gone
Huff=Gone
Bush=Gone
Curry =maybe
chris johnson=gone
http://raiderchaos.blogspot.com/2012/02/contracts-contracts-contracts-who-is.html
If that’s the case, there goes our D! Free agency, here we come…
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what D?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
RT @JosinaAnderson: Stanford Routt’s agent William Vann McElroy told me, “Stanford already has visits planned with Buffalo and Tennessee.”
February 9th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
look at superbowl and playoffs -D not giving up 35 points a game
February 9th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
MAYBE,JUST MAYBE WE ARE JUST STARTING TO FIND OUT HOW THE REST OF THE LEAGUE SEE’S THE PLAYER’S ON THIS TEAM.A MONTH AGO,MR.MCKENZIE WAS THE COMPETITION,NOW IS IS IN CHARGE OF EVERYTHING OAKLAND RAIDERS.THIS IS JUST THE BEGINNING IMHO..
February 9th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Let Tennessee sign him and in 3 & 1/2 weeks we’ll sign Finnegan.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:11 pm
Yup, this is only the beginning!
February 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Tennessee or buffalo can have him. Bring on Brent Grimes tracy porter or finnegan
February 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Hwnrdr,
yes man, I liked Stanford. had no problem with his play in actuality.
but his pay was not commensurate with success.
next.
et fait du bontemps
February 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I liked Routt’s agressiveness but man, could he just learn to turn his head a few times…Auwe!
February 9th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:15 pm
Tennessee or buffalo can have him. Bring on Brent Grimes tracy porter or finnegan
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Grimes and/or Porter would be good additions.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
Evening Raider fans and others.. I don’t know whether to be shocked at this good move or not.. But I got the feeling there’s a lot more to come.. Go to town RMak and DA! It’s time to become what we should be..
February 9th, 2012 at 6:19 pm
I liked Routt too but this was about salary not performance. Repeat salary not performance. Al made bad contract deals period. C’mon how much is Hiram Eugene making like around 4 mil I believe ridiculous
February 9th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
I say Wimbley and Seymour are calling their agents right now! Restructure?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Was Routt the longest tenured Raider, besides our kickers?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
It was funny when Routt talked about what they needed to do to reign in the penalty problem with him having the most of anyone. Hit the road, Jack! Take your penalties with you. You’re overrated by many in the Raider Nation anyway. Take away those penalties (all the grabbing, holding, interfering) and you begin to see more of his flaws. Anyone can grab and hold, folks.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
…and Huff (Since 06)
February 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Vegas,
don’t settle for the malaise that infects the normal crowd.
you wrote “probably not” that CPalmer could win a championship.
shrug.
a mediocre QB like Favre could amass more yds and TDs and ints than any other QB – and still win a Super Bowl.
a super QB like Peyton can amass all great numbers and still win only one Super Bowl.
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Sorry.
Once we win the division, I will be on board for a Super Bowl run, lol.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
And huff will be next
February 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
reggie already hinted secondary the problem
February 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
Not about performance? If he was what he was advertised as, they’d be happy to pony up. A top 3 CB? Please. Not even close. You bet your rear it’s about performance…AND salary. The 2 go hand in hand. If he was making 3 mill per, they keep him.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:27 pm
mikeschoice Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:25 pm
reggie already hinted secondary the problem
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So did Dennis Allen. Chris Johnson looking at you here.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Palmer needs to restructure the whole nfl salary scale is out of whack. Peyton manning was worth the first 100 million dollar contract look at the value of the colts then vs now, but that should be for life no more contracts
Anyway all the guys making big money should be concerned especially Wimbley. We shud be in restructuring mode but does Reggie have someone in place to do that
February 9th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
I think you just proved my point if Routt was making 3 mil they would have kept him and no he did not play up to the value of the contract he signed
February 9th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
Was Routt the longest tenured Raider, besides our kickers?
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yup.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
Reggie’s axe is broad and sharp with a wide sweep.
beware semi-pros, he can seek out unproductive commentary debilitaters as well.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Sleeper pick in the draft IMO
http://www.clemsontigers.com/sports/m-footbl/mtt/sensabaugh_coty01.html
February 9th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
hell yeah finally some roster moves
there goes about 500 yards in penalties
whos next cj,huff might be safe, mm34 hes no jack tatum, wimbly $$$, seymour $$$$$$,
February 9th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
I’m saying it’s both. Nobody claimed he was absolutely worthless. Just not worth very much.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:46 pm
Is A Curry a team option at 5 mil?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:47 pm
To Clarify…Is His contract a Team option?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
curry due almost 6 million to play this year
February 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
i believe not guaranteed if cut
February 9th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
curry due almost 6 million to play this year
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Thanks Mike.
So the Raiders negotiate a restructure, cut, or pay.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
SHOULD BOSS BE GONE?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Curry will restructure or kick rocks!
February 9th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
I’d like to keep Curry, but not at 5-6 mil.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Keep Boss
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
My post said last night, trim sum Fat baby;
Routtt
Wimbley
Seymour
No longer will we see panick contracts….
New ERA baby….
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Curry has no choice but to restructure if he wants to stay in Oakland – he knows the Raiders can cut him at no cost.
I expect him to restructure and stay.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Boss only costing team around 2.5 million. Need him if he hadn’t concussed himself out of a job
February 9th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
JB Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Keep Boss
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I think Knapp will have a lot of influence on this decision.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:53 pm
Boss @ $2M
February 9th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Thx JB…don’t mind being corrected
February 9th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Curry has no choice but to restructure if he wants to stay in Oakland – he knows the Raiders can cut him at no cost.
I expect him to restructure and stay.
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I think if Curry is utilized in the right way, he can make an impact.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Routt is a good CB but his deal should’ve been in about the $6 mil per range, not $10.
Still, he was our top CB and we probably have no other proven players at the position. When we’re on the hook for half his salary regardless, it is debatable whether or not it’s wise to cut him to save the other half. Let’s be honest, this was a money dump and nothing more.
LOL at you guys swinging on CC’s sack over a money dump. Basically, he just dumped our best, albeit overpaid CB, to get Mark Davis an extra $5 mil to not spend on a decent haircut.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
if you look the D is redicuously over paid. Seymour due more than Carson palmer this year? tommy kelley same as mcfadden (if no injury how does that work?). t kelley 10x more $$ than lammar houston?
February 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
I can’t believe Greg Knapp is running the offense next year. FML.
February 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Curry makes more mental mistakes than maybe anyone on our defense, is extremely undisciplined, and was another previous regime acquisition, and is extremely overpaid.
Peace Out Curry, take your bible with you.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Cost cutting moves have to be made Chris. We have overpaid too many for a long time.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
TK has done a lot more than Houston at this point. Leads the league in sacks by a DT since 2010. Really not overpaid and would be surprised to see him go.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Want a laugh??
We are paying Wimbley more than Terrell Suggs, and TK more than Vince Wilfork.
Awesome!!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Routt is a good CB but his deal should’ve been in about the $6 mil per range, not $10.
Still, he was our top CB and we probably have no other proven players at the position. When we’re on the hook for half his salary regardless, it is debatable whether or not it’s wise to cut him to save the other half. Let’s be honest, this was a money dump and nothing more.
LOL at you guys swinging on CC’s sack over a money dump. Basically, he just dumped our best, albeit overpaid CB, to get Mark Davis an extra $5 mil to not spend on a decent haircut.
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Chris
Should the Raiders have paid 10 mil to retain the services of Routt?
Maybe they have other players in mind.
A salary dump is exactly what this was.
If you ran a business and you were overpaying for production and you could eliminate it, wouldn’t you?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
kelley gets 10x more $$ than shonasty as well?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
Leads the league in sacks by a DT since 2010.
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I believe Deangelo Hall leads the NFL in int’s since 2010 as well.
Empty stats.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Looks like Reggie shares my opinion of routt. Would love to keep routt for what he is worth, about 2.5 million.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
I guess. Not going to go nuts over the loss of Routt but not going to be popping champagne bottles over it either.
I’m just waiting to hear that Carson or McFadden get dealt before I go off the deep end. Replacing Hue, Wylie and co. with Knapp and a mix of retreads and mostly in impressive rooks has me on the precipice.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
for the stats our D posted alot can be done with budget and coaching
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Curry makes more mental mistakes than maybe anyone on our defense, is extremely undisciplined, and was another previous regime acquisition, and is extremely overpaid.
Peace Out Curry, take your bible with you.
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Curry could knock that smart guy Carlisle out in a Heart Beat.
Just gotta harness the “beast”….lol
February 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Dakota,
Fisher is KILLING us.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
Want a laugh??
We are paying Wimbley more than Terrell Suggs, and TK more than Vince Wilfork.
Awesome!!!!
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Uncle Al paid for loyalty….those days are gone forever…..time to run this team like a franchise should be run
February 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
TK gets a lot of sacks, and is a very good interior pass-rusher.
Doesn’t mean he is a good overall DT though. I would like to see him with a defensive minded coach, to see if that makes an impact, but I think he has developed some bad habits that he may not be able to break.
And he sure in the hell is massively overpaid.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
i think in the new regime kelly and curry can be salvaged at the right price
curry has all the measureables and if used strickly to get after the qb then he can be a game changing pass rusher
February 9th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
Mikeschoice Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
for the stats our D posted alot can be done with budget and coaching
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Truth.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
TK will get snapped up quickly and for comparable dollars if cut. Routt will draw a lot of interest but prob in the $5-7 mil per range.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
J,
It sure is tough for Fisher to move around with that giant fork sticking out of his back isn’t it?
HOLY CRAP!!! I think those labor negotations took the last bit out of him.
He is freaking awful, and at least in the last few years, he was decent defensively and could knock down the open J.
Not anymore.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
buffalo 38 points
new england 31 points
KC 28 points -we scored 0 they didnt need more
denver 38 points
miami 34 points
green bay 46 points
san diego 38 points
February 9th, 2012 at 7:11 pm
Right on cue, he forces an awful jumper (0 for 7????) and drifts on Pietrus for the 3.
YIKES!!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
Blake should be starting, JFB.
And Goudelock should be the backup.
This is RIDICULOUS!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Now that one sacrifice has been made I think some of the other overpaid losers might be willing to re-negotiate. Kelly, wimbley, curry, huff, Seymour. Get in line or get out!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
Isn’t Derrick Fischer like 40?
How is He still in the NBA?
Dude sucked when He was with the Warriors.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Dakota Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Now that one sacrifice has been made I think some of the other overpaid losers might be willing to re-negotiate. Kelly, wimbley, curry, huff, Seymour. Get in line or get out!
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It certainly was a slap to the side of the head to all that have bloated contracts.
And I agree…in line…or out.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Can’t wait to see the rest of our overpaid players either reneg or get cut. Congrats to RM.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:17 pm
This defense is a wreck!!!
Routt, Huff, Seymour, TK, Rolando, Wimbley, Curry……all massively overpaid.
No depth, bunch of youngsters that aren’t very promising.
Improving this may take a minute, lol.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Jhill, yeah fisher blows.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
Fisher for MVP
February 9th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:06 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:59 pm
Curry makes more mental mistakes than maybe anyone on our defense, is extremely undisciplined, and was another previous regime acquisition, and is extremely overpaid.
Peace Out Curry, take your bible with you.
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No kidding. I finally unfollowed him on Twitter because the constant woo-woo about his imaginary friend in the sky was clogging up my feed.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Anyone else find it funny, that the two NBA players on that anti-gay slur commercial, are Phoenix Suns, who happen to be the only sports teams with an openly-gay CEO?
Can’t imagine that is a coinkydink.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Say Queens Brick!!!!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
If we were to keep Curry, I’d like to see him bulk up by 20 lbs and go to DE. Kind of like the Cards’ Freddie Joe Nunn a generation ago: You take an LB who can’t do anything but get upfield and put him in a position where he doesn’t have to DO anything but go upfield.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
If we were to keep Curry, I’d like to see him bulk up by 20 lbs and go to DE. Kind of like the Cards’ Freddie Joe Nunn a generation ago: You take an LB who can’t do anything but get upfield and put him in a position where he doesn’t have to DO anything but go upfield.
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Curry, obviously is not a finesse type player, but has a lot of physical skill and a big motor.
Find what he does well and let him loose.
At the right price………..
February 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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How do you kiss anyone by accident?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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Beecham, maybe?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
IDK, but did it look like that Harbaugh and Payton was gonna kiss after the playoff game in SF?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
If we were to keep Curry, I’d like to see him bulk up by 20 lbs and go to DE.
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My idea would be to have him inside in McClains “old” position.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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How do you kiss anyone by accident?
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I got a bit trashed a couple a days ago. I almost made out with a tranny. That’s an accident right?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Rap Is A J to the O K E
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-n-yxT97UPo
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Wow! Just got in from work and see Routt got canned. In addition to seeing the 2 games of Routt live and watching the film of the rest of the season, DA realized he could get somebody else to out-play Routt for a carton of cigarettes.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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Seymour used to be a great player. Now he’s a good inside pass rusher, and below-average run defender. He’s a part-time player.
Kelly is a good pass-rusher, but doesn’t seal off the inside like someone with his contract should.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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Broad strokes type statement.
Overpaid for sure.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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How do you kiss anyone by accident?
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I got a bit trashed a couple a days ago. I almost made out with a tranny. That’s an accident right?
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Almost sounds like entrapment.
Get your eyes checked, and look for the adams apple.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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Beecham, maybe?
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hehehehe. You know I thought Biatchi was completely full of sh** until I found this vid of one of his “premium” parties with the Spearmint Rhino chicks. Dude gets DOWN! Check it out: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bZP4Ugev82I
February 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Has anyone here ever kissed a dude? Either on purpose or by accident.
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How do you kiss anyone by accident?
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I got a bit trashed a couple a days ago. I almost made out with a tranny. That’s an accident right?
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Almost sounds like entrapment.
Get your eyes checked, and look for the adams apple.
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Rule Of Thumb: If she has an apple that means she has a banana too!
February 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LMAO!!
The ‘ol titty drums
February 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I was so effed up I probably would have banged the tranny if my friends didn’t get me out of there.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
RaiderDogg Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Rule Of Thumb: If she has an apple that means she has a banana too!
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That would explain Ann Coulter…
February 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
No more drinking for me.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
513.Chris in NY Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:09 pm
TK will get snapped up quickly and for comparable dollars if cut. Routt will draw a lot of interest but prob in the $5-7 mil per range.
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Truth
Not sure why some Raider fans hate on our better players, I guess theres always a group of fans from every team that do the same thing.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LMAO!!
The ‘ol titty drums
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And she just stands there looking at him…
February 9th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I was so effed up I probably would have banged the tranny if my friends didn’t get me out of there.
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TRUE STORY
A buddy of mine went down to San Pablo and got a working girl, and halfway through his backseat BJ realized that she was a he.
But, he didn’t stop her and finished his “date”.
When we asked him why he didn’t do anything, his epic response was, “I didn’t want to get ripped off twice”.
We still fck with him about it, 15 years later.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
532.Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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hahaha, thats so true
February 9th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:33 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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Seymour used to be a great player. Now he’s a good inside pass rusher, and below-average run defender. He’s a part-time player.
Kelly is a good pass-rusher, but doesn’t seal off the inside like someone with his contract should.
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Seymour is certainly overpaid, he should restructure. What he does do very well is occupy blockers. Kelly does a very good job of doing the same and beating his guy to the POA. It is the LB crew that does not then follow up, and the outside pass rushing has been dismal. There are your problems right there with the front seven.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
LMAO!!
The ‘ol titty drums
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And she just stands there looking at him…
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Yeah, when Biatchi was saying he is hanging with the “Spearmint Rhino’s” I think he is confusing them with REAL rhino’s.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
494.Chris in NY Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Routt is a good CB but his deal should’ve been in about the $6 mil per range, not $10.
Still, he was our top CB and we probably have no other proven players at the position. When we’re on the hook for half his salary regardless, it is debatable whether or not it’s wise to cut him to save the other half. Let’s be honest, this was a money dump and nothing more.
LOL at you guys swinging on CC’s sack over a money dump. Basically, he just dumped our best, albeit overpaid CB, to get Mark Davis an extra $5 mil to not spend on a decent haircut.
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C’mon. U watched the games man. Was Routt REALLY that good?
This was more than a money dump it was a suck dump as well.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
551.realtruraider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
532.Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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hahaha, thats so true
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Cuz we’re the ones that watch the games closer than anyone else.
They don’t care if the Raiders win or lose so they say “Oh yeah. So and so is a good player”. They don’t care.
Why do you guys think everyone was hammering Al Davis for canning Tom Cable? They saw 8-8 and figured Cable was “good enough for the Raiders” and we should be jumping for joy for 8-8.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
C’mon. U watched the games man. Was Routt REALLY that good?
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Routt is a very good cover corner, there is no denying that. The question is was he worth the money, and secondly how’s about the other guys behind him? Routt was a player that opponents felt would get down and they could victimize him late in games. Plus he wasn’t very good in run support.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
494.Chris in NY Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:57 pm
Routt is a good CB but his deal should’ve been in about the $6 mil per range, not $10.
Still, he was our top CB and we probably have no other proven players at the position. When we’re on the hook for half his salary regardless, it is debatable whether or not it’s wise to cut him to save the other half. Let’s be honest, this was a money dump and nothing more.
LOL at you guys swinging on CC’s sack over a money dump. Basically, he just dumped our best, albeit overpaid CB, to get Mark Davis an extra $5 mil to not spend on a decent haircut.
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C’mon. U watched the games man. Was Routt REALLY that good?
This was more than a money dump it was a suck dump as well.
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It was also a statement of intent. Al probably loved Routt more than anyone else on the roster. Dumping his overpaid self is a good way to show that Al’s opinion of your potential now means exactly dick.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
532.Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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Because we’re the only ones that watch every game. BTW I’m all for keeping Kelly, bye bye big rich if you don’t want to restructure.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
532.Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
It’s kind of funny that the only people on earth that think Tommie Kelly and Richard Seymour aren’t very good are Raider fans.
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Because we’re the only ones that watch every game. BTW I’m all for keeping Kelly, bye bye big rich if you don’t want to restructure.
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Kelly’s not terrible, but he’s a 3-technique playing out of position at the nose. I’d rather have a real NT instead.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
It was also a statement of intent. Al probably loved Routt more than anyone else on the roster. Dumping his overpaid self is a good way to show that Al’s opinion of your potential now means exactly dick.
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A statement of intent….
That is most powerful.
And a great observation.
February 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Pretty obvious poor lil Peemore Bust invented this sad sack sock puppet Raider Duck to help him out when he gets kicked around on the blog.
It makes sense, though. After a long day of getting slapped silly by anyone with a backhand, he can trot out Duck to take his whippings for him.
Not a bad route to take, Bust! Makes those welts sting just a little bit less, huh?
KICKIN OUT PHAT BEATS ON THE MEAN COMPTON STREETS
February 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Routt a good cover corner? I guess, but I sure did see alot of guys dancing in the endzone with a certain # 26 haplessly trailing behind ‘em.
Kinda like the Bush thing. He’s ok but is he worth a franchise tag?
February 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Now is the time to strike while the iron is hot and get something for Seymour while we can. He is never going to be any better than he was last year. Thats why the Patriots weren’t too eager to keep him.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
djohnnyg, #554
Don’t worry Johnny: garbage in, garbage out. Hopefully the entire D will be blown up.
Richard Seymour needs to be cut next, seasoned with Reggie’s ax handle upside the head, kicked in the ass with a big, black motorcycle boot, and escorted out of town.
Rout in 7 seasons, had 10 interceptions and 2 sacks. That is pitiful, disgusting. With his penalties alone he marched our opponents up and down the field, with no effort. Someone being paid his kind of money should have 10 intercepts per years, in his peak yrs.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
When the only good thing you have on tape is the security camera watching you withdraw money from the ATM…..this is what happens.
Check cashers are being broomed out….
Clean House Reggie!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Pretty obvious poor lil Peemore Bust invented this sad sack sock puppet Raider Duck to help him out when he gets kicked around on the blog.
It makes sense, though. After a long day of getting slapped silly by anyone with a backhand, he can trot out Duck to take his whippings for him.
Not a bad route to take, Bust! Makes those welts sting just a little bit less, huh?
KICKIN OUT PHAT BEATS ON THE MEAN COMPTON STREETS
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Sorry pal, but you’re barking up the wrong tree. I sockpuppet for no man and have never ever posted on this board under ANY other handle than this one.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Baichi looks like those “spearmint rhino” chicks you are always talking about are closer to real rhinos than human females. But good for you. Fat chicks need love too!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
The thing is though, we can’t cut Boyd, Jerome Boyd; he’s critical to our future.
Oh and has HueJack the pimpin Magnificent gained employment yet ? If not I have a 1968 cherry, pink Cadillac with a stable of ladies I’ll sell him —- so he can pursue his true calling.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
David Ausberry
Tight End
7/27/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.086 million contract. The deal included a $45,900 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Joseph Barksdale
Tackle
7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.579 million contract. The deal included a $539,800 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Rhett Bomar
Quarterback
1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Kevin Boss
Tight End
8/5/2011: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal contains $8 million guaranteed, including a $3 million signing bonus. 2012: $2 million, 2013: $3.5 million, 2014: $4.5 million, 2015: Free Agent
Jerome Boyd
Defensive Back
2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Tyvon Branch
Defensive Back
2012: Free Agent
Mason Brodine
Defensive Lineman
2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Desmond Bryant
Defensive Lineman
2012: Restricted Free Agent
Michael Bush
Running Back
2012: Free Agent
Jason Campbell
Quarterback
2012: Free Agent
Bruce Campbell
Tackle
7/9/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.312 million contract. The deal included a $522,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Cooper Carlisle
Guard
3/3/2009: Signed a five-year contract. 2012-2013: $3 million, 2014: Free Agent
Chimdi Chekwa
Defensive Back
7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.490 million contract. The deal included a $450,000 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Jon Condo
Linebacker
7/29/2011: Signed a three-year, $3.225 million contract. 2012: $1.175 million, 2013: $1.2 million, 2014: Free Agent
Jamie Cumbie
Defensive Lineman
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Aaron Curry
Linebacker
2012: $5,757,500, 2013: Free Agent
Hall Davis
Defensive Lineman
1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Hiram Eugene
Defensive Back
3/3/2011: Signed a four-year, $10.25 million contract. 2012: $2.25 million, 2013: $2.75 million, 2014: $3.25 million, 2015: Free Agent
Jacoby Ford
Wide Receiver
7/19/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.225 million contract. The deal included a $510,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Travis Goethel
Linebacker
7/15/2010: Signed a four-year, $1.893 million contract. The deal included a $103,000 signing bonus. 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Richard Gordon
Tight End
7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.145 million contract. The deal included a $105,000 signing bonus. 2012: $465,000, 2013: $555,000, 2014: $645,000, 2015: Free Agent
Quentin Groves
Linebacker
2012: Free Agent
John Henderson
Defensive Lineman
2/24/2011: Signed a two-year, $8 million contract. The deal contains $5.5 million guaranteed, including a $1.5 million signing bonus, all of Henderson’s first-year salary, and $1.5 million of his second-year salary. 2011: $2.5 million, 2012: $4 million, 2013: Free Agent
Stephon Heyer
Tackle
2012: Free Agent
Darrius Heyward-Bey
Wide Receiver
7/30/2009: Signed a five-year, $38.250 million contract. The deal includes $23.5 million guaranteed. Another $15.75 million is available through incentives. 2011: $1 million, 2012: $1.605 million, 2013: $2.21 million, 2014: Free Agent
Lamarr Houston
Defensive Lineman
7/26/2010: Signed a four-year, $4.33 million contract. The deal contains $2.505 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Michael Huff
Defensive Back
7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $32 million contract. The deal included $16 million in the first year. 2012: $4 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due 3/16), 2013-2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
Zach Hurd
Tackle
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Carl Ihenacho
Linebacker
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Travis Ivey
Defensive Lineman
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Rashawn Jackson
Running Back
1/10/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Sebastian Janikowski
Place Kicker
2/16/2010: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal includes $9 million guaranteed. 2011: $2.6 million, 2012: $1.7 million, 2013: $3.8 million, 2014: Free Agent
Chris Johnson
Defensive Back
2012: $3.5 million, 2013: Free Agent
Taiwan Jones
Running Back
7/27/2011: Signed a four-year contract. The deal included a $405,000 signing bonus.
Derrick Jones
Wide Receiver
7/26/2011: Signed an undisclosed contract.
Tommy Kelly
Defensive Lineman
2/28/2008: Signed seven-year, $50.5 million contract. The deal contains $18.125 million guaranteed, including a $13 million signing bonus and a $4.5 million in-season “signing” bonus in the second year. Another $2 million is available through incentives. 2011: $5.5 million, 2012: $6 million, 2013: $6.5 million, 2014: $7 million, 2015: Free Agent
Terrail Lambert
Defensive Back
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Shane Lechler
Punter
2/18/2009: Signed a four-year, $16 million contract. The deal includes $9 million guaranteed. Another $3 million is available through incentives. 2011: $3.2 million, 2012: $3.8 million, 2013: Free Agent
Bryan McCann
Defensive Back
2012: Exclusive Rights Free Agent
Rolando McClain
Linebacker
7/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $970,000, 2013: $1.535 million, 2014: $2.1 million, 2015: Free Agent
Darren McFadden
Running Back
6/5/2008: Signed a six-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $26 million guaranteed, including a $6.4 million “log” bonus and a second-year roster bonus of $5 million. 2012: $5.65 million, 2013: $5,856,250, 2014: Free Agent
Eddie McGee
Wide Receiver
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Lonyae Miller
Running Back
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Michael Mitchell
Defensive Back
7/27/2009: Signed four-year, $3.778 million contract. The deal contains $2.028 million guaranteed, including a $1.6 million signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Denarius Moore
Wide Receiver
7/27/2011: Signed a four-year contract.
Jarvis Moss
Defensive Lineman
2012: Free Agent
Louis Murphy
Wide Receiver
7/28/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.198 million contract. The deal included a $448,000 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Brandon Myers
Tight End
7/16/2009: Signed a four-year, $1.840 million contract. The deal included a $90,000 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Carson Palmer
Quarterback
10/18/2011: Signed a four-year, $43 million contract. The deal contains $7.5 million guaranteed, including all of Palmer’s first-year salary and $5 million of Palmer’s second-year salary. 2011: $2.5 million, 2012: $12.5 million, 2013: $13 million, 2014: $15 million, 2015: Free Agent
Alex Parsons
Guard
1/3/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Terrelle Pryor
Quarterback
8/25/2011: Signed a four-year contract. The deal included a $586,000 signing bonus. 2011-2014: Under Contract, 2015: Free Agent
Raiders QB
Quarterback
Marcel Reece
Running Back
2012: Restricted Free Agent
Stanford Routt
Defensive Back
2012: Free Agent
Samson Satele
Center
2012: Free Agent
Chaz Schilens
Wide Receiver
2012: Free Agent
Trevor Scott
Defensive Lineman
2012: Free Agent
Richard Seymour
Defensive Lineman
2/16/2011: Signed a two-year, $30 million contract. The deal contains $15 million guaranteed — all in the form of Seymour’s first-year base salary. 2012: $7.5 million (+ $7.5 million roster bonus), 2013: Free Agent
Matt Shaughnessy
Defensive Lineman
7/25/2009: Signed a four-year, $2.602 million contract. The deal included an $852,250 signing bonus. 2011: $480,000, 2012: $565,000, 2013: Free Agent
Curtis Taylor
Defensive Back
1/7/2012: Signed a reserve/future contract.
Manase Tonga
Running Back
Demarcus Van Dyke
Defensive Back
7/27/2011: Signed a four-year, $2.63 million contract. The deal included a $591,376 signing bonus. 2011-2014: Under Contract, 2015: Free Agent
Jared Veldheer
Center
7/9/2010: Signed a four-year, $2.685 million contract. The deal included an $895,000 signing bonus. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $490,000, 2013: $575,000, 2014: Free Agent
Kamerion Wimbley
Linebacker
8/1/2011: Signed a five-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $29 million guaranteed.
Stefen Wisniewski
Center
7/28/2011: Signed a four-year, $4.135 million contract. The deal included a $1.507 million signing bonus.
According to RaiderChaos
February 9th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
SnB Offense Defense Specialteams Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
When the only good thing you have on tape is the security camera watching you withdraw money from the ATM…..this is what happens.
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LOL
ATM is closed.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
When the only good thing you have on tape is the security camera watching you withdraw money from the ATM…..this is what happens.
Check cashers are being broomed out….
Clean House Reggie!
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No doubt. Chris Johnson took in $3.5mm to play a handful of plays all season. Granted he was hurt and then had tragedy, but his response was his heart wasn’t in it. Those are EXACTLY the type of players McKenzie DOES NOT WANT.
Mike Huff has had a pretty nondescript career here, but 2010 was a very good year for him. This year I think we all expected more, and honestly, we got less. Huff is going to be another interesting decision.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
Sorry if I upset somebody, but Routt isn’t that big a loss and I doubt he was the best CB on our roster.
He gave up too many TDs and had more penalties last year than Revis has had in his whole career.
He can be easily replaced in FA for a lot less money.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Peemore Duck, that’s another good technique –
Have you and your whipping boy personality Duck weakly respond at the same time!
That way it’s only 50/50 that you’ll get a classic smackdown from your Master Beeecham directly.
Shows once again why you’re one of my favorite lil minions! btw – you didn’t have to make Duck THAT big of a milky soft creampuff.
Challenges, you know?
HOLLA BACK TO THE BIG MO DEE, STRAIGHT UP
February 9th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Kelly and Seymoure have to go: no re-structuring. They are proven losers. If we want more teams running through us like a hot knife through warm butter, retain them.
Look toward unsigned free agents coming out of college and sign a gem, a killer, a mercenary with no mercy, and we’ll ourselves a defensive line.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Who is next?
Seymour
Huff
Henderson
C Johnson
H Eugene
TK
I think we keep Wimbley. He is our best pass rusher.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Mike Mitchell is another guy with an interesting future. He has been basically a bust. But we have paid him all the money up front, so his salary numbers are very low, so keeping him is not at all expensive. But then, he is an UFA after this next year. Interesting decision on him.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Tommy Kelly, Richard Seymour, Kameron Wimbley, Michael Huff…..
These guys were all a part of one of the WORST defenses in NFL history.
There are consequences for that…especially when so many were paid like elite all-stars.
Clean this house Reggie!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
Jerry,
It sounds like you have no idea about the actual contracts for the team you cover. Has it ever occurred to you that journalists are allowed to research facts and tell them to the public. They are not bound by solely using Google to quote what other reporters have written. The chats you have are great fun, but some real substance sometimes would be a real nice addition.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Raider O Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Who is next?
Seymour
Huff
Henderson
C Johnson
H Eugene
TK
I think we keep Wimbley. He is our best pass rusher.
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I think all of the above including Wimbley if He doesn’t restructure.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Peemore Duck, that’s another good technique –
Have you and your whipping boy personality Duck weakly respond at the same time!
That way it’s only 50/50 that you’ll get a classic smackdown from your Master Beeecham directly.
Shows once again why you’re one of my favorite lil minions! btw – you didn’t have to make Duck THAT big of a milky soft creampuff.
Challenges, you know?
HOLLA BACK TO THE BIG MO DEE, STRAIGHT UP
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Whipping boy personality? What are you talking about?
And quit acting like you’re from Compton when the closest you’ve EVER come was driving through “Ganton” in GTA:SA.
“Certified Platinum Posse” and “Afternoon Tail” indeed. Your life must be pretty goddamn pathetic to keep manufacturing an entire existence out of wholecloth.
Besides, everybody knows that someone who talks like you do that much couldn’t get it up if his life depended on it.
Now go away little man, and bother me no more.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
577.SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
Tommy Kelly, Richard Seymour, Kameron Wimbley, Michael Huff…..
These guys were all a part of one of the WORST defenses in NFL history.
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A fact that we should not forget.
It is verified by official stats that there has not been a worse defense since the 1952 Dallas Texans.
You could trot out the Alabama defense and it would be better than the one we had last year.
I say that in all honesty.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
The issue with the run defense and Kelly and Seymour can easily be diagrammed with Kirk Morrison. We got rid of Morrison and Kirk went to Jokesonville. Where their run defense sucked ass even with Del Rio running the show over there. Now Morrison is out of the league. We replaced him with a guy who will probably be out of the league.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Looks like Duck was Driving on #580 and just ran over biachi!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
# 580,
Am I the only one here who utilizes a popsicle stick and a rubberband?
February 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
Looks like Duck was Driving on #580 and just ran over biachi!
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Thank you, thank you.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
The Raiders had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history. Oakland also became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season.
….
This gets sh!t blowed up!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Henderson + CJ + Eugene = 10 million in salary
Seymour + Huff + TK = 17.5 million in salary + 11.5 million in roster bonus = 28 million
Save 38 million and sign DE Mario Williams, CB Carr/ CF/ T Porter, WR V Jackson, and DT B Bunckley/ R Bryant, and resign S Branch.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:23 pm
Wasbanned Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
The Raiders had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history. Oakland also became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season.
….
This gets sh!t blowed up!
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Exactly. There are very few “good players” in a situation like that. If they were any good, we wouldn’t have been abused like we were.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
mistress biachi blowing up at one of his party gigs:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XwdD8eLUHvE
February 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Love it!
Peemore congratulating himself – his new creampuff sock puppet Duck – on surrendering to the Beech Diggity Dog.
I guess that’s why you’ve got softy Duck, to take the punishment for you, huh Peemore?
But here’s a helpful hint – having Duck beg me to leave alone at the end of his flame-out post doesn’t give him the credibility you’re looking for.
Have him say something tough like, “Don’t smack me again or I’m going to cry in the closet INSTEAD the bathtub” is much more convincing.
THAT’S JUST HOW PLAYAS ROLL, WORDY WORD
February 9th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Did anybody notice how confident the opposing QB’s would get against us as the game wore on?
Against Chicago, Caleb Hanie was visibly rattled in the first half, but as the game wore on he started to look like he knew what he was doing.
EVERY game we played, the opposing QB would just all of a sudden start hitting his throws, running for firsts, etc. etc. etc. as the game progressed.
-Buffalo: Fitz did whatever he wanted in the 2nd half.
-Stafford: No further comment needed.
-Ponder
-Schaub
-Orton: Yes, even Orton.
-Tebow: Yes, even Tebow.
All the above started out slow, but once they figured out there was nothing to be afraid of, they said “Screw this. What am I worried about. These guys suck”.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Latest on NFLN says Routt is scheduled to visit the Titans and Bills.
You remember the Bills don’t you Stanford?
February 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
FA wish list:
1- DE Mario Williams
2- CB Carr or C Finnegan
3- WR V Jackson
February 9th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
RaiderRetribution Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
many teams were offering a second rounder for Carson, Seattle, AZ; it was Mike Brown who turned them down.
Raiders paid way too much for Carson, I’ve been one of the first to state such.
He is still an upper echelon qb though.
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the reason the palmer deal was met with hysterical laughter in some circles was because it was considered common knowledge carson could be had for a second rounder. He had no takers
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And this is why Hue is no longer our de facto GM, thank goodness….
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Yeah , and a lot of those GM “Hysterical Laughter” types were on their Asses WATCHING the Super Bowl anyway.
Let me know when Cincinnati gets out of that division as a champion and goes on to A Super Bowl with Baltimore and Pittsburgh right their on top of them.
They got NO room to talk about anybody. THEYVE NEVER WON ANYTHING.
Who gives a rats a$% about laughing about draftpicks? That Seymour deal SURE WORKED OUT FOR New England , didnt it?
They made the deal, Carson’s the QB – DEAL WITH IT.
Sick of hearing about that b.s. – We got ripped off crap. Who won the goddamn Super Bowl? Cincinnati? New England?
February 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
McClain is due less than 1 million next season. Another reason not to cut/ trade him.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
Did anybody notice how confident the opposing QB’s would get against us as the game wore on?
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A couple of tenets that defensive players are taught are:
1) believe you and your team mates are the toughest group on the field.
2) Believe you can win and expect to win.
3) Be stronger each snap as the game wears on.
Does any of this sound like the 2011 Oakland Raider defense?
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Love it!
Peemore congratulating himself – his new creampuff sock puppet Duck – on surrendering to the Beech Diggity Dog.
I guess that’s why you’ve got softy Duck, to take the punishment for you, huh Peemore?
But here’s a helpful hint – having Duck beg me to leave alone at the end of his flame-out post doesn’t give him the credibility you’re looking for.
Have him say something tough like, “Don’t smack me again or I’m going to cry in the closet INSTEAD the bathtub” is much more convincing.
THAT’S JUST HOW PLAYAS ROLL, WORDY WORD
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You wouldn’t know what a “Playa” was if one smacked you upside your fool head.
And quit with the faux-ebonics. You’re trying too hard and everyone knows you’re about as “hood” as Ben Stein.
Every single day I come here to talk about the greatest sports franchise ever, and instead have to scroll through multiple posts from this fool babbling on and on about his ridiculous fantasy world. It stopped being funny a while back and just became repetitive and annoying.
Get a new gimmick already. Try to convince us all you’re an Arab oil magnate or something.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Yo yo yo, the Beech Diggity is getting wiggity wiggity HIGH on some Maui Wowie, smuggled in from the Islands by one of the Beeech Dawgettes after her calendar shoot.
This stuff is way stoney, blog goobers. For example, if Duck took a puff he’d jump right into his mommy’s bed to spoon the buzz away.
Anyway, the Certified Platinum Posse is bangin’ some tracks in the living room, guess I’ll work on some new world class lyrics. Gots to keep it real, whut whut
BJs ON THE WAY, MAGNUMS COMIN OUT TO PLAY
February 9th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Yo yo yo, the Beech Diggity is getting wiggity wiggity HIGH on some Maui Wowie, smuggled in from the Islands by one of the Beeech Dawgettes after her calendar shoot.
This stuff is way stoney, blog goobers. For example, if Duck took a puff he’d jump right into his mommy’s bed to spoon the buzz away.
Anyway, the Certified Platinum Posse is bangin’ some tracks in the living room, guess I’ll work on some new world class lyrics. Gots to keep it real, whut whut
BJs ON THE WAY, MAGNUMS COMIN OUT TO PLAY
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Translation: He’s watching Jersey Shore while listening to bad rap on his iPod and drinking Miller Lite or some similar pee-water brew. Later on, he’ll spank it to internet porn.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
We can be a top 5-8 offense with V Jackson on the roster. VJ, Moore, DHB, Ford, Reece, DMAC, and Palmer!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Love it!
Peemore congratulating himself – his new creampuff sock puppet Duck – on surrendering to the Beech Diggity Dog.
I guess that’s why you’ve got softy Duck, to take the punishment for you, huh Peemore?
But here’s a helpful hint – having Duck beg me to leave alone at the end of his flame-out post doesn’t give him the credibility you’re looking for.
Have him say something tough like, “Don’t smack me again or I’m going to cry in the closet INSTEAD the bathtub” is much more convincing.
THAT’S JUST HOW PLAYAS ROLL, WORDY WORD
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You wouldn’t know what a “Playa” was if one smacked you upside your fool head.
And quit with the faux-ebonics. You’re trying too hard and everyone knows you’re about as “hood” as Ben Stein.
Every single day I come here to talk about the greatest sports franchise ever, and instead have to scroll through multiple posts from this fool babbling on and on about his ridiculous fantasy world. It stopped being funny a while back and just became repetitive and annoying.
Get a new gimmick already. Try to convince us all you’re an Arab oil magnate or something.
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Duck, I can hear your tears of surrender from my penthouse at the Ritz! After begging for my attention for weeks, I finally respond with a classic Beeech Dawg smackdown and you go straight into MELTDOWN mode.
That’s what I call a straight up HOOD beating!
Love when they break, watching the crash and burn never gets old!
HIGH FIVIN, MO JIVIN
February 9th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Personally I was a Stan Routt suporter. Unfotunate there could not be a restructured deal. If he could have just chilled with the penalties…
February 9th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
ProFootballFocus.com @ProFootbalFocus
Routt;s penalties last year: 8 Defensive Holding. 7 D Pass Interference, 1 Illegal Use of Hands and 1 Personal Foul. That’s a lot.
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They forgot 7 TDs given up including 5 on the same post pattern in the redzone. That about sums up my hate for this effer.
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Great. OK, now who replaces him?
the other side of that equation….it could be even worse, even with a “drafted” Corner or FA.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
We don’t need VJax.
Receiving core is one of our best units
We need an upgrade on the O line, big Tiem pass rusher, 2 corners, another LB, and trade Dmac……..
February 9th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
Yo yo yo, the Beech Diggity is getting wiggity wiggity HIGH on some Maui Wowie, smuggled in from the Islands by one of the Beeech Dawgettes after her calendar shoot.
This stuff is way stoney, blog goobers. For example, if Duck took a puff he’d jump right into his mommy’s bed to spoon the buzz away.
Anyway, the Certified Platinum Posse is bangin’ some tracks in the living room, guess I’ll work on some new world class lyrics. Gots to keep it real, whut whut
BJs ON THE WAY, MAGNUMS COMIN OUT TO PLAY
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Wack. New material please
The Situation from Jersey Shore could beat you in a free style…hell snookie would probably chip yo ass the f$%k up.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:37 pm
Duck, I can hear your tears of surrender from my penthouse at the Ritz! After begging for my attention for weeks, I finally respond with a classic Beeech Dawg smackdown and you go straight into MELTDOWN mode.
That’s what I call a straight up HOOD beating!
Love when they break, watching the crash and burn never gets old!
HIGH FIVIN, MO JIVIN
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Penthouse at the Ritz? HAHAHAHAHA. Good one. A night there costs more cash than you see in a year. Nice try, though.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:32 pm
You wouldn’t know what a “Playa” was if one smacked you upside your fool head.
And quit with the faux-ebonics. You’re trying too hard and everyone knows you’re about as “hood” as Ben Stein.
Every single day I come here to talk about the greatest sports franchise ever, and instead have to scroll through multiple posts from this fool babbling on and on about his ridiculous fantasy world. It stopped being funny a while back and just became repetitive and annoying.
Get a new gimmick already. Try to convince us all you’re an Arab oil magnate or something.
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Thank you. And the entire rap community thanks you. This dude is killing hip and raping hop!
February 9th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I like how Chubby Checker is focused on managing the cap and getting rid of bad contracts.
That was one of his priorities coming in after finding his “guy” as coach.
Next up…trimming the fat and freeing up cap space. I would like to see him hire a head of player personnel though, who is the boss of.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:44 pm
I wasn’t sure if we should go after V Jackson, but after thinking about it I think we should. We need a big target, and he can have a great impact on our offense.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raider Sam,
How many gave the Bears flak for the Cutler deal? Or called it a “laughable” trade?
Here’s what the Bears gave up:
-TWO (2) FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICES. One in 2009 and one in 2010.
PLUS…
-The Bears THIRD (3RD) round draft choice.
AND another QB who ends up being a starter for two different teams- Kyle Orton.
Raiders for Palmer?
-ONE 1st rounder and…a “CONDITIONAL” 1st.
NOONE in Chicago was saying how the Bears got “fleeced” in that deal. They never have.
NOONE on ESPN or NFLN ever said Chicago got fleeced, but the Raiders do the Palmer deal and all you hear about is how we gave away our future.
Cutler is younger though. He turns 29 in April. BUT he is also a diabetic.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I like how Chubby Checker is focused on managing the cap and getting rid of bad contracts.
That was one of his priorities coming in after finding his “guy” as coach.
Next up…trimming the fat and freeing up cap space. I would like to see him hire a head of player personnel though, who is the boss of.
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At the DA press conference, Reggie said he would be doing that, but after the draft. My guess is that any personnel guy he poached from another team at this point would be contractually prohibited from working with until after draft weekend anyway (because they would have inside knowledge of what the other team would do), so might as well wait until May or so to bring him in. I’m still hoping for Mayock from the NFL Network, but it’ll probably be some guy none of us has heard of.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Penthouse at the Ritz?
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Biachi is talking about a penthouse mag on a box of Ritz crackers. That’s the closest he will EVER GET a human female.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I’d rather sign a Big, Athletic, Fast, TE. That would be better than VJax……
February 9th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
# RaiderLen Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:13 pm
Raider O Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Who is next?
Seymour
Huff
Henderson
C Johnson
H Eugene
TK
I think we keep Wimbley. He is our best pass rusher.
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I think all of the above including Wimbley if He doesn’t restructure.
^^^^^^^
I agree. Out all these guys, I think Wimbley should have his contract restructured down and he should be kept here. They can plug him in as the starting down RDE if they run mostly 4-3.
A versatile pass rusher like him is valuable in the NFL.
He just can’t be expected to fall back and cover in space 80% of the time, when he needs to rushing the QB and causing disruption in the backfield 80% of the time.
February 9th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I like how Chubby Checker is focused on managing the cap and getting rid of bad contracts.
That was one of his priorities coming in after finding his “guy” as coach.
Next up…trimming the fat and freeing up cap space. I would like to see him hire a head of player personnel though, who is the boss of.
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He’s focused and doing the right thing. The first thing any good GM does is cut salary to find more players you can sign at an affordable price, then push bonuses back on the new guys you sign in FA that fit whatever scheme your going to run.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
303Raider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I’d rather sign a Big, Athletic, Fast, TE. That would be better than VJax……
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We got one. David Ausberry. The cupboard is bare, there wont be another Jimmy Graham or Vernon Davis for a long time.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=641DZvz2dcw
February 9th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Finally some accountability!! Worst defense desrves to be completely reevaluated…and it will be. 17 penalties? 8 td’s? Bye bye.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
Raider Sam,
How many gave the Bears flak for the Cutler deal? Or called it a “laughable” trade?
Here’s what the Bears gave up:
-TWO (2) FIRST ROUND DRAFT CHOICES. One in 2009 and one in 2010.
PLUS…
-The Bears THIRD (3RD) round draft choice.
AND another QB who ends up being a starter for two different teams- Kyle Orton.
Raiders for Palmer?
-ONE 1st rounder and…a “CONDITIONAL” 1st.
NOONE in Chicago was saying how the Bears got “fleeced” in that deal. They never have.
NOONE on ESPN or NFLN ever said Chicago got fleeced, but the Raiders do the Palmer deal and all you hear about is how we gave away our future.
Cutler is younger though. He turns 29 in April. BUT he is also a diabetic.
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Cutler led Bears – ZERO SUPER BOWLS, one NFC Championship appearance, and “tap out” by Cutler.
Everybody had Brown’s back on the deal – and they universally condemned the guy for NOT letting Palmer out. IMO, they made too big a deal of it, AND the Seymour deal – wtf happened. Cincy didnt upset Baltimore, although they SHOULD have beaten the Texans.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
Kevin Kolb deal: Domininque Rodgers Cromartie AND a 2nd rounder. Kolb gets a FIVE year deal paying him 63 million.
Cutler deal: TWO 1st rounders AND a 3rd PLUS Kyle Orton.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
SamBorg, just got up the nerve to chime in again after your last personalized Beeecham beating? Awesome!
Now you just have to flame out into Star Trek talk again, remember how THAT happened? Too funny, dweeb!
Also love how Peemore Bust “disappears” for awhile, lets his whipping boy Duck get roasted by me in his place, then shows back up and congratulates himself
Might have to hit the hot tub with a Beeech Dawgette to cap this all off with a legendary BJ, fo shizzle
February 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
Seymour Bush #571,
No doubt. Chris Johnson took in $3.5mm to play a handful of plays all season. Granted he was hurt and then had tragedy, but his response was his heart wasn’t in it.
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Huff and CJ have to go also.
Huff is mediocre and has proven over the years he has nothing between his legs but a slit.
Now CJ:I said it when I was posting under another screenname, and was banned by Corky for being disrespectful and decsive toward players, staff, and the fallen, unresurrected Genius, AL D. Davis.
CJ is flotsom. Just because his sister was shot and killed, and his mother injured, by his sister’s baby’s daddy, what is the big deal? CJ goes mentally unstable and can’t play. Well, obviously, it was written, and obviously it was normal activity in the ghetto in the deep south, where the genius McClain engaged himself in gunplay.
CJ should have known it would come about, and knuckled down and taken care of business. But he didn’t play the last 2 games. Anyway it was no great loss.
Sorry CJ, you gotta go.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I doubt we will sign any big name FA like Mario, Carr, or VJ since they will demand huge contracts.
Since we don’t have a lot of picks, I’m getting excited about FA.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:05 pm
SamBorg, just got up the nerve to chime in again after your last personalized Beeecham beating? Awesome!
Now you just have to flame out into Star Trek talk again, remember how THAT happened? Too funny, dweeb!
Also love how Peemore Bust “disappears” for awhile, lets his whipping boy Duck get roasted by me in his place, then shows back up and congratulates himself
Might have to hit the hot tub with a Beeech Dawgette to cap this all off with a legendary BJ, fo shizzle
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Whatever. The only BJ you’re getting will involve REALLY bending your neck and back. Don’t hurt yourself, now.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Reece wont be a TE. Bruce Campbell has a better shot at that conversion than Reece. I expect Reece will be listed as a RB instead of a FB this year. Dmac, Tjones, Reece and either Bush or a FA will be our RB core, with Tonga and a FA or Draftee filling the FB role.
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I can see Campbell in a TE roll kinda like Barns. Maybe even situations other than Jumbo. But he is a near total unknown. Might have no real football ability. It is crazy this guy can’t even get to the active game day roster.
Regardless of what title you give Reece, he is gonna play alot, somewhere!
As to Rout… He is like all of our other players over the age of 27, better watch out.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Biachi,you are back. I disappeared for awhile so I could have a conversation with a live human female. Something you have no hope for. You might want to befriend Jamista Clown. He’s more on your intelligence level, and you can swap stories about waking up in the neighbors yard.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:10 pm
I want this team to be one that Sterling Moore wouldn’t recognize if he came back to visit.
One that is as “business like” as NE.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
303Raider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
I’d rather sign a Big, Athletic, Fast, TE. That would be better than VJax……
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We have one…line Reece up at the end.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
Raider O Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
I doubt we will sign any big name FA like Mario, Carr, or VJ since they will demand huge contracts.
Since we don’t have a lot of picks, I’m getting excited about FA.
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We just saved a bunch of money on Routt’s bloated contract. So they will have to spend it somewhere. And I am sure they are not finished trimming the fat.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
He just can’t be expected to fall back and cover in space 80% of the time, when he needs to rushing the QB and causing disruption in the backfield 80% of the time.
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Exactly. We should use him to set the edge as our SAM, or rush the passer from the LB or DE position.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Yo, just passed the dutchie with the Certified Platinum Posse – my all star production team – and started working on a fresh new joint for my album Wrecks N Effect
I’m thinkin’ Pink might sing the hook, but ho nasty. Can’t have that kind of wack swag getting my bean bags slimy.
Those bags cost almost $60 a piece, word
Anyway, this jam is a tribute to my huge weiner and smackin’ my way through the blog (this all goes over Questlove drumming) -
Yo yo yo, Wrecks N Effect, gettin’ big n bold
All the shorties backstage lookin’ for my prized dode
Got the afterparty catered by Wolfgang Puck
Gonna have a large helping of flambed Duck
MO TWIZZLE
February 9th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
RaiderSam, thanks for the video.
Isn’t JerMichael Finley a FA?
February 9th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
We just saved a bunch of money on Routt’s bloated contract. So they will have to spend it somewhere. And I am sure they are not finished trimming the fat.
$$$$$$$$$$$$
We were around 15 million over the projected salary cap before we cut Routt. I don’t think R McKenzie is a fan if big name FAs. GB signed Woodson, but that was their only big name FA signing in a decade as I remember.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
303,
Yes he is.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
“Yo, just passed the dutchie with the Certified Platinum Posse – my all star production team – and started working on a fresh new joint for my album Wrecks N Effect.”
Watch it Beee, you are treading dangerously on copyright infringement.
The hip-hop group Wreckz n Effects has been around a long, long time: use their name for your album/CD…..; that reminds me of the Jimi Hendrix song, “Machine Gun (tearing my body, all apart).”
February 9th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
biachi your “production team” consists of your mom your dad and your little sis. Don’t think you’re going platinum. You might be able to take your dog out for a walk tho.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:25 pm
BTW Beee…..save me a piece of that duck flambed. Wolfgang makes a great one. I am only 10 minutes away; I own a home in Venice, 10 mins from the Ritz.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Yo my homeboy Hardline, what it is, playa?
Not too worried about Wrecks N Effect, that crew knows a true baller when he steps to the line. Word
Yo, I cruise Venice whenever I’m scoring weed or partying with the Certified Platinum Posse at James Beach.
Yo, that brunch is straight up silly
February 9th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
Great move, I never was a fan of Routt. Get rid of Huff next, he can not tackle worth a dam. Also get rid of Seymour and Kelly. Do not franchise Branch or Bush, try to get them to a cheap contract, but do not pay too much for them. I love the way things are shaping up; Al did a great disservice giving away too much money to guys who under achieved.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
I like how Chubby Checker is focused on managing the cap and getting rid of bad contracts.
That was one of his priorities coming in after finding his “guy” as coach.
Next up…trimming the fat and freeing up cap space. I would like to see him hire a head of player personnel though, who is the boss of.
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At the DA press conference, Reggie said he would be doing that, but after the draft. My guess is that any personnel guy he poached from another team at this point would be contractually prohibited from working with until after draft weekend anyway (because they would have inside knowledge of what the other team would do), so might as well wait until May or so to bring him in. I’m still hoping for Mayock from the NFL Network, but it’ll probably be some guy none of us has heard of.
^^^^^^^
Chubby and Mayoc in the front office would be fantastic.
McK should offer Mayock a nice raise from what he is doing now and see if he takes the job.
Chances are, it probably will be someone we haven’t heard of.
February 9th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
SANITY!!!!!!! Wow!!!!!
Unbelievable!!!!!
Get paid for what you’re worth. Accountability.
Radical concepts for our RAIDERS.
16-0 or 0-16. Watching this next season is going to be fun. I can’t wait to see/hear about the coaches making these cultural changes.
Silver and Black Forever…
February 9th, 2012 at 10:08 pm
303Raider Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 9:18 pm
RaiderSam, thanks for the video.
Isn’t JerMichael Finley a FA?
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i stand corrected….he’s an injury risk, though. But yeah , thats a good point. A match up nightmare for LB’s and definitely for safeties.
February 9th, 2012 at 10:10 pm
Routt has suitors lined up
“Free agent CB Stanford Routt will visit with the Bills on Sunday.
Routt’s agent told the Nashville Tennessean a Titans visit hasn’t been scheduled, though Scout.com’s Aaron Wilson reports the cornerback will visit Tennessee on Monday. Per Wilson’s source, interest is “fairly heavy.” Because he was cut Thursday, Routt can sign as soon he comes to agreement with a team.”
Source; Rotoworld
February 9th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
# hwnrdr Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
I liked Routt’s agressiveness but man, could he just learn to turn his head a few times…Auwe!
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Routt couldnt turn his head and find the ball to save his life. Terrible.
Most of us knew when Routt was given that big contract, that it was a bad move by old man Al.
February 9th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
I was super pissed when the old man gave Routt this HUGE contract for the SAME amount that Nnamdi was being paid. We could’ve kept Namdi instead of him. But, ooh well…rebuild and restock.
February 9th, 2012 at 10:50 pm
I’ve never heard of a single player doing 17 penalties in a year. Not even close. I think in the past 11 or 12 was highest for a player.
February 9th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Routt’s going to have a good career. Too bad he was too expensive.
We need another established CB (or 3), and we better hope DVD and Chimdi are up to the task.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
What’s the deal with Steve Young’s hair? Is that a toupee’ or hair club for men or what?
February 9th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I hadn’t read or listened to any sports news until I just logged in and saw that Routt was released.
YES,YES,YES!!!
Me likey. Produce or get the hell out.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
I want Bush gone because I don’t believe he *can’t* block: I believe he has refused *to learn how to block*, and that he has done so in order for teams to say, “He’s our first string running back.”
A guy that’ll do that is not a team player.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
Routt’s going to have a good career. Too bad he was too expensive.
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He can take his 8 TD passes allowed (2nd most in league) and 17 penalties (easily the most in the league) elsewhere.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Al Davis was a great owner until he started playing games with Marcus Allen, and filing lawsuit after lawsuit. He was a petty NFL owner the last 23 years of his life. He couldn’t manage through the salary cap era. What comes around goes around, and Mr. Davis paid the price. We’ve had to witness mostly bad football for too long. Good luck, Mark. You can do it!
February 9th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
644.raiderzmaverick Says:
“I was super pissed when the old man gave Routt this HUGE contract for the SAME amount that Nnamdi was being paid. We could’ve kept Namdi instead of him. But, ooh well…rebuild and restock.”
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Maverick, I completely agree except for one issue: Nnamdi!
Much to many posters’ chagrin, Nnamdi is far from a shut down corner. After 9 seasons in the pros he has only intercepted 14 passes.
On the other hand, Lester Hayes (past Raider great and true ’shut down” corner) intercepted 39 passes in 8 seasons.
Hayes was a WR killer; they were terrified of him: when a WR covered by Hayes woke up in the hospital from a coma caused by a severe concussion, he knew what happened: Lester the molestor struck.
Rod Woodson on the other hand had 71 interceptions, besting Hayes twice over, though Woodson played 17 seasons.
Nnamdi, should be named numb-nuts. It, unfortunately, is a myth that has arisen around him, “shutdown corner”, and inexplicably so.
Nnamdi is more like a fly speck on the shoulder of giants, better stated, a trained little monkey, on King Kong’s leash.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:46 pm
Bush is overrated. Let some desperate team overpay for him too. No biggie if he leaves. We saw his best (contract year, mind you) and it wasn’t very good. Now imagine him with contract in hand and guaranteed. Yeah, no thanks. Get to steppin’ you twinkle toed fullback.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Fixing the defense is what this offseason is all about. We finally have a competent QB and playmakers on offense. I would like to see Michael Bush stay. Taiwan Jones showed us nothing this season. DMC needs to get healthy and stay healthy!
February 9th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
The new regime has already reduced our penalties from last year by 17.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Even if Routt is the starting cb for the Pats next year,even if another team, another coach can “coach him up,” make him better, I still support what RM did.
It sends a message to all the others who are not playing to their salaries, sends a message that the new managment and coaching staff expects something very different than what the old Raiders were producing.
If it takes losing Routt and saving money to get someone else at his position + other positions to do that, it’s a plus, no matter how you look at it.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
Hue was fired because he is not a leader. He wanted to be the players’ buddy. He had no control over that sorry excuse of a defense. I say tell Seymour to take a pay cut or trade him!
February 9th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
Beach #651,
Yes Beach, yes. Except I would point out that AD’s genius and star fizzled out after the Raiders won the 1983 Superbowl. Since that time Raiders have had only 9 winning seasons out of 29.
Because of my criticism of Davis I was banned by Corky when Corky cracked down on those posters who were “disrespectful.”
The past 10 years AL Davis’ actions stemmed from dementia, outrageousness and a total lack of reason. Yet what was most aggrevating is that we were treated to overhead projector press conferences in the presence of numerous oozing and puss filled sores on AL’s face.
Sad really, and disgusting.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Stuck on 3 Super Bowl wins for 28 years.
February 9th, 2012 at 11:58 pm
New York Giants have only made it to the conference championship game 5 times, and won 4 Super Bowls. That’s making the most out of your opportunites. Incredible!
February 9th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
657.beach Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
“Hue was fired because he is not a leader. He wanted to be the players’ buddy. He had no control over that sorry excuse of a defense. I say tell Seymour to take a pay cut or trade him!”
Beach, Hue was fired because his true calling is a pimp; there is little else he can do successfully in this world. That is why I call him Hue the Pimpin Magnificent.
Secondly, Seymour needs to be traded/cut; I am sure even Seymour himself would make such an admission. Our team should not be built upon over-the-hill losers whose greatest talent is now committing personal fouls drawing 15 yd penalities.
Why do you think Bilichick dumped him on us ???
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 am
659.beach Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
“Stuck on 3 Super Bowl wins for 28 years.”
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The Raiders won 3 Superbowls in 60 yrs.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Seymour will be the next to be addressed. Those stupid penalties and bloated contract will not go unnoticed by Big Mac in Black and General Allen.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Hue’s true calling is as a politician.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:04 am
Hardline, it’s only 52 years, to be exact.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 am
Time will tell if this team will be better off. I like the moves so far! Good night, Raider Nation!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:29 am
Hardline Three cheers to any body that bans you.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:31 am
Hopefully tomorrow’s(todays) headline will bring the same news about Wimbley
February 10th, 2012 at 12:39 am
You’d think we had a top 10 defense the way some of these cats are getting paid. No more easy money in Oakland.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:12 am
Good luck Routt.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 10th, 2012 at 2:59 am
Just caught the news ’bout Routt.WOW!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:27 am
I don’t care how much Routt was making, I’d have cut him anyway. 17 penalties is over 10 per cent of the team total. That’s ridiculous.
The guy played like it was 1975 or something. Grab and hold may have worked back then but it doesn’t work in the 21st century. Add to that his complete lack of ball awareness, and he could have been making the minimum and it wouldn’t have mattered.
Incredible that the Oakland Raiders are in a position right now where they don’t know who their starting cornerbacks are. That one kinda spins me out.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:32 am
Tells me there aint a player safe on the roster, maybe Moore, Wiesnewski, Vehldeer, Branch, are the only 4 that Reggie wont cut…Seriously!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:40 am
I think some guys will get cut outright. I also think that there will be some that will be invited to restructure so that they can remain with the team.
Just my opinion, but I think those that are willing to restructure will stay. Those that aren’t will be playing somewhere else in 2012.
Reggie’s working hard on getting the payroll under control. I like it.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Happy Aloha Friday!
Gabby, get these boys set up! On me…!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:49 am
http://nbcprofootballtalk.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/teams-already-showing-interest-in-stanford-routt/
Yeah I think he’ll do alright! I don’t dislike Stan, he’s been a Raider through a lot of bad years. Good Luck until you play us again!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Nick Holz (offensive quality control-quarterbacks @ Stanford) has been hired as an offensive assistant by the Raiders, according to footballscoop.com
Pryor’s tutor, maybe? Good move if he is.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Morning Raider Fans!
Let the house cleaning begin! I’m excited to see the new talent Reggie brings in. No longer will be laughed at for our personnel decisions. Find smart, hardworking, talented players that love the game! Unfortunately Al did not realize that today’s player doesn’t always give their all once you reward them with a big payday! New era…love it!
February 10th, 2012 at 6:08 am
The Raiders also announced the addition of two more coaches, confirming the hire of Keith Burns to be the assistant special teams coach and Johnny Holland to coach linebackers. Burns was the secondary coach at Mississippi, Holland the linebackers coach for the Houston Texans
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I thought Keith Burns was going to coach DB’s ?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:11 am
That is what I thought too, Rockstar!
February 10th, 2012 at 6:14 am
It was reported by footballscoop.com that he was in the mix and they thought it was for secondary coach, since that’s what his last couple of jobs were.
He could still end up with the DBs, though. Kinda weird to have a guy with that much experience as an assistant special teams coach.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Thanks for the news Edward…looking forward to seeing our young staff getting this team to play smart disciplined football
February 10th, 2012 at 6:25 am
“Routt, Routt, let it all out, these are the things I can do without
Come on, I’m talking to you, come on
(They really really ought to know) Routt, Routt, let it all out
(Really really ought to know) These are the things I can do without
(They really really) Come on, I’m talking to you, come on
(They really really ought to know) Routt, Routt, let it all out
(I’d really love to break your heart)
These are the things I can do without
(I’d really love to break your heart)
Come on, I’m talking to you so come on
Routt, Routt, let it all out, these are the things I can do without
Come on, I’m talking to you, come on…”
February 10th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Kinda weird to have a guy with that much experience as an assistant special teams coach
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I was thinking the same thing. This guy seems more like a DC candidate
maybe he can teach our special teamers to block & tackle better?!?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:27 am
TRADE THE BOOT-BROTHERS,JANO & LECHLER FOR PICKS..
February 10th, 2012 at 6:27 am
Its not out of the ordinary in the NFL for players to get released and then resigned for a more reasonable amount, that could be the case here, but if not,,,oh well. I’ll miss him on Madden though.
“hey Seymour,,Mr. McKenzie wants to see you in his office,,,Uh,,bring your playbook.”
February 10th, 2012 at 6:28 am
Nick Holz (offensive quality control-quarterbacks @ Stanford) has been hired as an offensive assistant by the Raiders
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ET,
thanks for the update!
seems like we have a bunch of offensive help this season, doesn’t it?
I mean last year we didn’t even have a QB Coach or Quality Control guy on offense. This year we have DeFillipo & Griffith in those roles as well as Saunders & Holz as offensive assistants ???
hot dang
February 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
READ SOMEWHERE YESTERDAY,NFLN I THINK,BOWLES TURNED DOWN THE DC POSITION IN OAKLAND TO GO TO PHILLY..
February 10th, 2012 at 6:32 am
TRADE THE BOOT-BROTHERS,JANO & LECHLER FOR PICKS..
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What about Condo?
the 3 musketeers gotta stick together. all for one & one for all!
February 10th, 2012 at 6:32 am
688.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
READ SOMEWHERE YESTERDAY,NFLN I THINK,BOWLES TURNED DOWN THE DC POSITION IN OAKLAND TO GO TO PHILLY..
Yeah, I think so too! It was either HC or bust…plus Philly is his home so…
February 10th, 2012 at 6:34 am
PACKAGE DEAL ROCKSTAR..
February 10th, 2012 at 6:35 am
Yup, if you take the boots, you need the socks!
February 10th, 2012 at 6:36 am
“Hey Chaz,,Mr. McKenzie wants to see you in his office,,oh yeah,,,bring your playbook.”
February 10th, 2012 at 6:37 am
688.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:29 am
READ SOMEWHERE YESTERDAY,NFLN I THINK,BOWLES TURNED DOWN THE DC POSITION IN OAKLAND TO GO TO PHILLY..
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Their DC almost got fired during the season last year. The Eagles decided to bring him back, but if he doesn’t make it through the year Bowles is right there.
Add to it that he’s a Philly guy, and it was a smart decision on his part.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:39 am
Routt will visit the Bills and Titans in the coming days – PFT
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Good luck, Stan.
I didn’t love you, but I didn’t hate you.
You were most certainly overpaid by Al Davis and 17 penalty flags is far from acceptable.
You played 7 years in the Al Davis man2man system and still haven’t mastered it. We’re changing things this year, mixing it up. Quite frankly, we don’t think you’re gonna fair well in this new system/scheme.
Thanks for your contributions to the silver & black.
-RRS
February 10th, 2012 at 6:43 am
THATS THE THING ROCKSTAR,MAYBE THE NEW SYSTEM/SCHEME IS WHAT ROUTT NEEDED..WHATS DONE IS DONE THOUGH.NOT GOING TO LOSE ANY SLEEP OVER HIM BEING GONE.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:44 am
Rick,
Chaz Schilens is an unrestricted free agent
February 10th, 2012 at 6:47 am
” Tj Housh what’s up my man,,hey um,,,Mr. McKenzie wanna holla atcha for a sec,,,yeah,,,oh I almost forgot,,,,bring your playbook.”
February 10th, 2012 at 6:48 am
In the Huddle of (Insert NFL Team)–
“OK, were down 6 with 20 seconds left and Routt is covering you, I am going to heave it up deep, and he will panic and try and tackle you and we will get the automatic P.I penalty, then we’ll go no huddle and I will hit you on a Post in the Endzone for the Winning touchdown…ready..Break!”
Dude was horrible when it mattered the most.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Now, it makes it look like Aso’s departure was bad, huh?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Dirt Lot,
it didn’t take McKenzie, Allen & Tarver long to figure out Stan Routt wasn’t in our plans for the future.
Dennis & Jason are both former DB’s.
DA is actually a Super Bowl champion DB Coach.
I mean, we don’t even have a DB’s Coach hired to evaluate Stan Routt to see if he’s “fixable”
When your secondary gives up 60 TD’s in 2 years, I’d say wholesale changes are required.
YOU PEOPLE love to blame Chuck B, but in reality at least half of the blame falls on the players for not executing. For every head scratcher defensive play call Chuck made, there were about 6 head scratcher offensive play calls Hue made …
February 10th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Sorry Chaz youre free to leave.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:51 am
Rick,
TJ Housh is also a unrestricted free agent
February 10th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Now, it makes it look like Aso’s departure was bad, huh?
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Yeah, but that ship has sailed.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Hwnrdr,
Nnamdi Asomugha
7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $25 million guaranteed.
Stan Routt
Routt was signed last offseason to a three-year, $31.5 million contract extension that at the time made him the third highest cornerback in the NFL just a few days before the NFL lockout began.
A later restructure boosted the value of the deal to five years and $54.5 million.
Neither player was worth $10+ million per season imo
February 10th, 2012 at 6:57 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:56 am
Hwnrdr,
Nnamdi Asomugha
7/29/2011: Signed a five-year, $60 million contract. The deal contains $25 million guaranteed.
Stan Routt
Routt was signed last offseason to a three-year, $31.5 million contract extension that at the time made him the third highest cornerback in the NFL just a few days before the NFL lockout began.
A later restructure boosted the value of the deal to five years and $54.5 million.
Neither player was worth $10+ million per season imo
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It’s not like the Eagles did that great with Nnamdi. Did they even make the playoffs?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:57 am
“Tommy K what’s going on!,,,oh I’m good,,yeah listen,,Mr. McKenzie wants to chit chat with you in his office,,,oh I don’t know,,,is that your playbook over there? Yeah bring that with you.”
February 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
AND I WILL SUPPORT THE MCKENZIE-ALLEN-TARVER CALL ON THIS AND FUTURE ASSESMENTS..
February 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Exactly! But if you were to go back into the end of 2010…would you have paid Routt or Aso? But now both ships have sailed! Let’s see who is gonna come in to be our number 1!
February 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Has BCZ checked in yet?
I know he was a big Routt supporter. Interested to hear his take. wonder if he’s pi$$ed.
On the flip side, I haven’t seen Dakota in yet to gloat and cheer about Routt getting axed either …
February 10th, 2012 at 7:00 am
“Tj my bad, Mr. McKenzie just told me to tell you good bye.”
February 10th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Tampa Bay Bucs: Butch Davis will be named defensive coordinator
Football Scoop
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Interesting. did they hire an OC yet ???
February 10th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Lakers went to Boston and punked them last night . Nuevo York getting a reality check tonight, mamba going to rape em like a lil hotel slut frm Denver, 40 burger ez for #24.!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:05 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:01 am
Tampa Bay Bucs: Butch Davis will be named defensive coordinator
Football Scoop
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Interesting. did they hire an OC yet ???
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Supposedly, it was down to Hue or John Shoop. The fact that Shoop’s even in the running tells you all you need to know about the prevailing opinion towards Hue.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:07 am
In addition to CB Stanford Routt, Raiders FS Michael Huff, DT Tommy Kelly, DT John Henderson, CB Chris Johnson, and OG Cooper Carlisle are candidates for release.
Routt was simply the canary in the coal mine. New GM Reggie McKenzie made it clear last week that he would make moves to adjust a roster with “out of whack” contracts. Huff ($4 million salary + $4 million bonus), Kelly ($6 million), Henderson ($4 million), and Johnson ($3.5 million) could be on the way out as the Raiders overhaul a defense that set franchise-worst records for TD passes allowed, yards per carry, yards passing and total yards.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:12 am
I agree that it’s past time to start with new personnel on both sides of the ball. coach after coach has come to Oakland to no avail – the only consistent thing left is the sub par players that need to play or leave.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:15 am
“Big John Hendu,,what it do,,what it do!!,,, Hey you know me I’m just chillin,, nah I can’t make it to the party Friday,,, you know what I almost forgot,,Mr. McKenzie had told me to tell you to swing by his office,,,oh I don’t know what its about,, what’s that your playbook? Yeah go ‘head and bring that.”
February 10th, 2012 at 7:23 am
712.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Has BCZ checked in yet?
I know he was a big Routt supporter. Interested to hear his take. wonder if he’s pi$$ed.
On the flip side, I haven’t seen Dakota in yet to gloat and cheer about Routt getting axed either …
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Not pissed, I liked Routt, and as vehemently as I supported him last offseason, I never supported his contract though. I am not surprised by the move, and fully expect 3 or 4 more just like it in the coming weeks.
Wimbley, TK, Seymour, Huff, Curry are all guys I could see handed their walking papers.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:25 am
Hendu and Housh are definitely gone
February 10th, 2012 at 7:27 am
Maybe we can get Hagan back on the roster.
Fk yew Hue!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Schilens and his glass slippers should be on deck. L Murphy and his alligator arms following close behind with his bags in hand…
Replace with Hagan.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Do you think Hagan would want to come back though? I know a lot had to do with Hue, but…
February 10th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I liked Routt, consistently rated among the best CB’s the NFL in “burn” percentage rates, which means teams didn’t have much success throwing his way, his flags got out of hand last year but everyone had a rough year on D.
But, he was definitely not worth the money and can be replaced with someone making half his contract.
Maybe Reggie McKenzie will look to GB Free Agent Jarrett Bush to add some depth in the Secondary.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Sometimes you guys get so caught up on mediocre players. How did Hagan do in Buffalo? Oh yea… he barely played… 13 catches.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:35 am
CUT ROBUSTO MCLAME NEXT!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Did you guys see what Houston will have to spend to franchise Mario Williams? $22.9 million! Guess we can take that out of the equation…
February 10th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Jarrett Bush apparently is not starting CB material, so he doesn’t seem like a guy who’s gonna take over Routt’s spot, but he’s a versatile DB who can see snaps all over the Defensive Backfield, most likely as the Nickel Cornerback and Special Teams ace.
- “Jarrett Bush surprised the Green Bay Packers once with his marketability in free agency and there’s a good chance he’ll do it again come March.
The Packers, according to Bush, have made no attempt to negotiate a new contract and keep him away from unrestricted free agency.
“I’m definitely not afraid of the market,” Bush said. “It all depends if they want to bring me back or not.”
In March 2009, the Packers let Bush test the waters of restricted free agency and the Tennessee Titans floored them with a three-year, $4.5 million offer containing a $1 million signing bonus. Three days later, the club retained his services by matching it.
Since then, Bush has become even better on special teams and a more competent player in the secondary. His second-quarter interception of Pittsburgh’s Ben Roethlisberger was one of the red-letter plays in the 45th Super Bowl, and he has made two more picks this season as the dime back.
It’s highly unlikely any team would pay the 27-year-old Bush to become a starting cornerback. However, it’s possible some club would pay him between $2.5 million to $3 million on a per-year average to be its nickel back and leader on special teams.
“Why not?” cornerback Tramon Williams said. “I don’t think there’s a special-teams guy out there that’s doing what he’s doing, and I see a completely different guy on (defense). Just with his energy on the field. His attitude. Everything about him.
“The things he’s doing right now, he’s definitely upping his value. I don’t know what they’re thinking, but I know we could use him.”
The Packers, in the midst of their best season on special teams since 2007, would feel the loss of Bush there.
“That guy is into special teams as much as anybody I’ve seen,” said Shawn Slocum, who coaches the units. “I would love to have Jarrett Bush playing for us as long as we can. But those are business decisions that are out of my hands.”
The Packers finished the calendar year about $5.2 million beneath their salary cap of $121.9 million.
Fiercely competitive, Bush remains loyal to the Packers. After not being drafted out of Utah State in 2006, he was cut by Carolina at the end of his first training camp only to be claimed by Green Bay.
“They brought me here from Carolina and thought I could play,” Bush said. “I love it here. I’m planning a home here.”
The Packers have drafted three cornerbacks since Bush arrived but he remains comfortably ahead of Pat Lee and Davon House, and Brandon Underwood was released.
Back in 2007, Bush had a 13-week stint as the nickel back for a 13-3 team, but the more he played the worse he got. Williams replaced him late that season because Bush played the ball poorly, missed 12 tackles and lacked confidence.
The next year, Bush practiced extensively at safety and ended up playing merely 23 snaps on defense.
In 2009, Bush was thrust back into the nickel job when Al Harris blew out his knee in Game 10. Once again, he was a step slow in man-to-man and lacked awareness in zones.
Last year, he was back to a limited role on defense. The same has held true this year.
In August, Bush probably had the best training camp of his career. After intercepting just one pass in his first 84 games, counting playoffs, the Super Bowl pick has led to three in his last 17 games.
“He covers better than he used to – no doubt about it,” wide receiver Greg Jennings said. “A lot of that has to do with the experience and the confidence.
“He’s reading things. He’s starting to play football instead of think football. Some guys can react and respond quicker. He didn’t respond and react as quickly as we thought he would probably early on. But he’s definitely come on strong.”
At 6 feet 0½ inch and 200 pounds, Bush has ideal size. He ran 40 yards in 4.52 seconds in ‘06 to go with a 39-inch vertical jump.
Defensive coordinator Dom Capers will insert Bush in some packages in order to rush him. He has 42 blitzes, 21 more than all the cornerbacks combined with the exception of Charles Woodson.
“I like him because he’s got a defensive temperament,” Capers said. “Guys that can tackle, guys that are tough, physical guys, I don’t know that you can ever have enough of them. I think he could do a good job for us in nickel, I really do.”
Slocum said Bush has defeated the double-team vise as a gunner on the punt team a large percentage of the time. He also ranks as Slocum’s most consistent player.
Bush’s feel for route combinations, honed over six years of studying tape alongside someone like Woodson, has enabled him to start getting his hands on more balls.
“Is he a Charles Woodson in the slot? No, but who is?” cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt said. “I will fight and die with Jarrett Bush. I would.”
Bush’s preference is to return. He has made that abundantly clear the past few weeks.
Still, it’s possible the Packers might just want to reshape their defense. That could include trying to find a cornerback with better speed and cover skill.
If that’s the case, Bush will make a handsome living elsewhere with his durability (two missed games in six years) and his capability to play every position in the secondary besides excelling on special teams.
“I do feel like I’m very valuable to this team,” Bush said. “It’s been proved I do produce.”
February 10th, 2012 at 7:39 am
In addition to CB Stanford Routt, Raiders FS Michael Huff, DT Tommy Kelly, DT John Henderson, CB Chris Johnson, and OG Cooper Carlisle are candidates for release.
Routt was simply the canary in the coal mine. New GM Reggie McKenzie made it clear last week that he would make moves to adjust a roster with “out of whack” contracts. Huff ($4 million salary + $4 million bonus), Kelly ($6 million), Henderson ($4 million), and Johnson ($3.5 million) could be on the way out as the Raiders overhaul a defense that set franchise-worst records for TD passes allowed, yards per carry, yards passing and total yards.
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$10 million for Kelly & Henderson?
yeah – expect that to be addressed!
Savage Carlisle will be back
February 10th, 2012 at 7:42 am
Prob not.
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hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Do you think Hagan would want to come back though? I know a lot had to do with Hue, but…
February 10th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Coop isn’t going anywhere, especially if we are trending back to the ZBS. Cooper will be very valuable in that system.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:43 am
W’s!!!
If K Brown hadn’t got hurt I wonder what our record might be…
February 10th, 2012 at 7:44 am
721.MistaBrown Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Schilens and his glass slippers should be on deck. L Murphy and his alligator arms following close behind with his bags in hand…
Replace with Hagan.
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Murphy, last year, said: “You see a guy laying there like that (DHB ’s neck injury) and it makes you question whether you’re in the right profession”.
Now, that’s a normal human response to what appeared to be a devastating injury, but…it questions Murphy’s resolve and whether he really wants to even be playing, and if you’re a wr in this league, to be good, you’ve gotta really want it.
I question if he really does. If he admits to having doubts like that as to whether he should even be playing..it’s not good.
You can’t play scared out there and be effective.
Maybe he should do something else if he’s doubting like that.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am
“Satele!,,,C’mon man open the door!,,,,what was you doing? Nevermind I don’t wanna know,,Mr. McKenzie been looking for you all day,,go see him in his office,,,,bring that with you,,,yeah I know that’s your playbook.”
February 10th, 2012 at 7:53 am
Who is next?
Seymour
Huff
Henderson
Wimbley
CJ
Eugene
TK
Cooper C
I think Wimbley and CC will stay.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:56 am
BTW, McClain is making less than 1 million next year.
You People still want to trade him?
LMAO
February 10th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Raiderbuck Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:49 am
http://nbcprofootballtalk.wordpress.com/2012/02/10/teams-already-showing-interest-in-stanford-routt/
Yeah I think he’ll do alright! I don’t dislike Stan, he’s been a Raider through a lot of bad years. Good Luck until you play us again!
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Stan Routt will be a solid addition to some team. There should be interest in him. Hue Jackson?……eh, not so much.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Will Hiram Eugene come back from that kind of injury? isn’t it the same that ended Bo’s career?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I am not surprised by the move, and fully expect 3 or 4 more just like it in the coming weeks.
Wimbley, TK, Seymour, Huff, Curry are all guys I could see handed their walking papers.
Hendu and Housh are definitely gone
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BCZ,
to be honest?
I didn’t see Routt leaving. none of the media idiots predicted it.
The only thing anybody has been talking about player wise is the Raiders shooting a wad of cash at Bush & Branch, possibly trading DMAC and/or Seymour
Housh & Sheppard wont be re-signed. Bush & Branch may not be re-signed either. CJ37 & Henderson are certainly going to be axed
I’m anxious to see what kind of contract magic McKenzie can do with Huff, Kelly, Wimbley & Curry.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:04 am
I wonder if McKenzie is trying to restructure before pulling the trigger, I like wimmbly, curry, and tk to stay.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:05 am
He had to go man.
He was not the worse player on the squad but he had the worse contract for his production.
If it don’t make dollars it don’t make cents/sense!!
Good luck Routt!!!
Word to your Mother!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:05 am
http://www.mercurynews.com/raiders/ci_19930179
February 10th, 2012 at 8:07 am
RR – I know you love Huff but don’t be surpised if they cut your boy as well. Even though he did come off of a hurt season.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:07 am
“Hiram,,,how’s ya rehab coming along? Great,,glad to hear that,,,that’s a nice car you just bought,,,TIGHT! When you’re doing in the weight room,,slide into Mr. McKenzie’s office,,oh I don’t know,,I think he wants to talk to you about your playbook,,,yeah you got it on you? Cool,,bring it with you,,,ok,,holla atcha later,,,,,,,,,,,,much later.”
February 10th, 2012 at 8:09 am
BTW, McClain is making less than 1 million next year.
You People still want to trade him?
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O,
Al Davis gave the man $23 million guaranteed. Just because his salary is $970k doesn’t mean thats all the dough he’s bringing in. Did we pay out the entire $23 million (plus salary) during his first 2 seasons?
highly unlikely!
I’ll be happy to trade that player with that contract. has he been cleared of all legal charges yet?
Can I get some Ray Lewis comparisons? LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Players we should keep after they restructure:
1- Wimbley
2- Curry
3- Seymour
CC is 35.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:10 am
The issue with Routt and Al Davis kept making this mistake over and over is he would reward guys and then they would not play to the level of the contract. Routt was a classic example of this: solid corner, probably worth half what he was paid, but with the game on the line, he would NEVER raise his game up. Teams would target him in the end and he would melt down. Well, Stan is someone else’s problem now.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Will Hiram Eugene come back from that kind of injury?
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I hope Hiram comes back healthy. I also hope he doesn’t get re-injured when Reggie slams the door in his face …
Maybe he can join Stan @ Buffalo or TN ???
February 10th, 2012 at 8:13 am
They will keep DMAC one more year.
Fan favorite and he fills seats when he is not siting in one hurt.
i think they keep Seymour one more year and cut Kelly.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Would love to get Rogers-Cromartie in some kind of trade?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
His Salary next season is less than 1 million. Who cares how much Al paid him. It’s not your money, so focus on the issue.
He is 22, he is cheap, he is Talented, and he is the best LB on the roster.
Btw, you people don’t have a problem with Ray Lewis and he was charged with murder, but you have a problem with McClain’s issue?!?!
The kid is 22, and he is not going any where.
Get used to it, or get over it!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Speaking of D Linemen getting cut, have we even looked at DL Coach yet?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Sey Bush:
bottom line?
Routt & Johnson had “Raider speed”
Porter, Parker & DVD did too…
fortunately, that doesn’t guarantee you a roster spot in Oakland anymore!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
McClain Linebacker
7/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $970,000, 2013: $1.535 million, 2014: $2.1 million, 2015: Free Agent
February 10th, 2012 at 8:17 am
His Salary next season is less than 1 million. Who cares how much Al paid him. It’s not your money, so focus on the issue.
He is 22, he is cheap, he is Talented, and he is the best LB on the roster.
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O,
how can you claim it’s not about the money and then reference his salary next year and say “he’s cheap” ???
February 10th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Hirum eugeen is soft as pudding, trim the puzzies off the team . I still remember that stiff arm he ate.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:19 am
now you post McClain’s contract #’s as well?
LOL @ Raider O!
it’s clearly about the money in your opinion …
the guy sucks, man. he’s just not a very good football player
February 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am
You People…..
Let’s trade the best LB on our roster. He is only 22, he was a 1st RD pick, he is cheap, he is talented, but we don’t like him. He is a thug!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Pretty Rick is cracking me up with those.
Keep up the good work.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:21 am
DR55,
I think midget man Darren Sproles could stiff arm Hiram Eugene to the ground one on one in the open field …
February 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Sey Bush:
bottom line?
Routt & Johnson had “Raider speed”
Porter, Parker & DVD did too…
fortunately, that doesn’t guarantee you a roster spot in Oakland anymore!
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Exactly. In some ways I admire Al Davis for paying some guys and giving them incentive to become truly elite players. Unfortunately that never seemed to happen. That probably stems from the fact he would draft height and weight and speed guys, not guys that loved the game.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:22 am
O,
you want a thug?
I would trade ROMAC for Odell Thurman tomorrow!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Double Nickle will be playing, producing and leading our defense next year.
Hue, Chuck B, and the Al Davis system was holding him back!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:23 am
735.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:56 am
BTW, McClain is making less than 1 million next year.
You People still want to trade him?
LMAO
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By the way, thanks for posting all those contract #’s on that post yesterday. I’m not sure if u got any props for that but it was a valuable piece of info.
Some guys don’t get enuff credit for their contributions on here.
As far as McClain goes i’m still having trouble getting over that whiff on Stafford that could’ve won the game. That’s not the only play, but it stands out in my mind, and not in a good way as kind of a microcosm of what he’s all about.
I have not been impressed by him at all.
The MLB has to share a lot of concern if he’s the MLB of a historically bad defense. Imo.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Are we the 1 team to make a roster cut?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Sey Bush:
should be interesting to see what Raider football looks like with 53 football players and a competent coaching staff
February 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Did I say I want a thug? Did I say it wasn’t about the money, or did I say he was cheap, and you shouldn’t worry about SUNK COSTS (do you Know what that is)
Can you read, or is that not a requirement for jobs in Podunk?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:26 am
should be interesting to see what Raider football looks like with 53 football players and a competent coaching staff
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I tell you what it looks like.
AFC West Champions and a home playoff game.
Book it!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Are we the 1 team to make a roster cut?
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DR55,
not even close!
http://www.nfl.com/transactions
February 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
For those wondering, Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
O,
if you’re resorting to personal insults, I’ll take it you’ve thrown in the towel on the McBust arguement and chalked it up as a Loss.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
769.toolnutz Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
For those wondering, Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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Really?
Did it make sense to just cut him then?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Djohnnyg,
Thanks bro. I did a good job of copy and paste from RaidersChaos article/ site. He should get the credit.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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I hope he sends Mark & Carol a ‘Thank You’ card and leaves some flowers on Al’s grave!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:33 am
A little sensitive today RR. Is it that time of the month for you?
No personal insults. I was just asking if reading is a job requirement in Podunk.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:34 am
djohnnyg Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Really?
Did it make sense to just cut him then?
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Considering we would have paid him another $5 mil if he were still here today, yes. BTW, that works to about $300,000 per first down he gave up last year from penalties alone (9 PI, 8 Holding).
February 10th, 2012 at 8:35 am
O,
if you’re gonna act like this, just don’t talk to me … thanks
February 10th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Did I hurt your little feelings?
I see you can dish it but you can’t take it?
Don’t worry little buddy. I’m not that interested in talking to you.
LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
I liked routt felt that he had to many penalties that shadowed good play
obviously the org is going in another direction. So,,sorry Stan don’t let the doorknob hit you on the way out.
You can come back but for a LOT less dough bra!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:41 am
So how much of that 20 million was paid last year? I’m sure it wasn’t all this year, right?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Rolando McClain sucks = dishing it?
Ok …
February 10th, 2012 at 8:42 am
“Kyle,,,,KYLE!!!!! look I can still see you,,come from outa there man. Yeah he wants to see you too,,hey look it’s gona be ok man,,,chin up,,,oops you dropped your playbook,,,pick it up don’t just leave it there,,,alright buddy,,, wipe your nose before you go in there.”
February 10th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Rick,
Kyle Boller is also a unrestricted free agent
February 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Romac gets paid nothing. We ca afford to wait and see how he looks under allen/tarver
February 10th, 2012 at 8:46 am
As I was saying before I got distracted.
It’s not a good idea to trade our young talent for draft picks (hopes & dreams). Why trade young talented & cheap players for draft picks, when we can trade guys like Huff/ Seymour/ TK.
We should build around guys like Houston, McClain, Ford, Veldheer, Moore, etc… And try to add the right mix of vets and Big name FAs.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Stop worring about the cap. Its a non issue..
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
toolnutz Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
For those wondering, Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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Somebody tell me again why this is a good move?
We saved a whopping 1.6m in cap space in 2012?
And have no starting CBs?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Just.
Win.
Baby.
Morning Nation..
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
LMAO at the purse swingers…
February 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Marks Hair,
Exactly. If he doesn’t produce with the new staff and system, then we can trade him. He is cheap and he is under contract for 3 more seasons. We can always trade him next season, if he doesn’t play better.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
RR,,, I know,, I’m just having fun with.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
toolnutz Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
For those wondering, Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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Somebody tell me again why this is a good move?
We saved a whopping 1.6m in cap space in 2012?
And have no starting CBs?
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Did you not read the part of his contract not being guaranteed this year if he wasnt on the roster today?..
saved 6.5..
February 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
LMAO at the purse swingers…
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BSJ,
takes one to know one!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Reg, now make a statement about HEART and cut the malingering spoiled quitter #20!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:52 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:49 am
LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:48 am
toolnutz Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jason La Canfora @JasonLaCanfora
For those wondering, Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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Somebody tell me again why this is a good move?
We saved a whopping 1.6m in cap space in 2012?
And have no starting CBs?
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Did you not read the part of his contract not being guaranteed this year if he wasnt on the roster today?..
saved 6.5..
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We’re only saving $1.25 mil in cap space, but $5 mil in actual money. Besides, what did he give us last year, other than a couple of great plays, a whole lot of mediocre play, and about a million drive-extending penalties.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I’m thinkin hendu,Kelly,wimbley,DVD,Bcamp,
sh$t man an a few more could see walkin papers or restructured contracts.
A lot moves are coming fellow fans. So “get ya popcorn ready”
it’s gonna be interesting.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Romac gets paid nothing. We ca afford to wait and see how he looks under allen/tarver
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Mark,
Al Davis gave the man $23 million guaranteed. Just because his salary is $970k doesn’t mean thats all the dough he’s bringing in. Did we pay out the entire $23 million (plus salary) during his first 2 seasons?
highly unlikely!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Last yr they said we had no cap room and we spent tons of cash on seymour,wimbly,route and cp3.. No more crying and moanig over the cap, please..
February 10th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Did you not read the part of his contract not being guaranteed this year if he wasnt on the roster today?..
saved 6.5..
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No, I didn’t write/read his contract. i’m going off of what’s been reported:
Routt’s contract reportedly guaranteed him $20 million, meaning the Raiders could be out that amount depending on wording of the deal. Adam Caplan reported that Routt’s $5 million base salary was guaranteed if he was on the roster as of Friday. Routt still is due a $5 million roster bonus, which is guaranteed.
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And there was another report which stated we saved under 2M against the cap.
To me, it’s all funny money.
Overpay the best CB on the roster just to turn around and cut him and STILL have to pay him the guaranteed part?
You can adjust his annual salary. He did it last year too.
Nah, they felt they could get better for cheaper. Thinking 2, 3 years down the road, IMO.
Just wondering what they pay his replacement and how much better will that guy really be.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:54 am
Scott, I swing not.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:56 am
LOL at preppie.
Focus on your issues. Meyers, 6 year contract, and The Ohio State University.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everyone’s assuming he would re-do his deal.
If so, we would of had to wait until August to re-do it.
The guarantee kicker was today, he’s gone.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Cain,
Agreed. DVD & BCamp are your typical “Al Davis picks” selected based upon Height/Weight/Speed and potential
I still laugh at Dakota when he says Van Dyke was ALMOST good enough to start in college
Davis was also pi$$ed that Cable didn’t play BCamp at RG at the end of 2010. I think JFB could give us 100 reasons why Campbell should NEVER sniff the field ahead of Carlisle, especially next season when we’ll be doing much more zone blocking
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Go Buckeyes!!!!!!
Go Aztecs!!!!
Go Raiders!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
796, this yr he gets paid dikk.. If he doesnt earn his spot he will get cut after this season..
February 10th, 2012 at 8:59 am
Just found out about the Routt cut this morning, havent been checking in as of late as I thought this would be the down time of the year..but great move…
I was sick and tired of Steve hyping up Routt as a shut down corner, I was tired of all the penalties and his burn ratio gradually skyrocketed in the end, not only did he give up completions, he gave up touchdowns also time and time again. 29th against the pass was not just on the rest of the db’s, it was on Routt also.
Good Riddance, now its time to go after a real shut down corner, and since the days on man-to-man 90% of the time are dead with Al, it is not a high priority anymore.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:59 am
“What’s up Bruce this is Rick calling again,,,when you get this message I need you to return this call asap,,Mr. McKenzie wants to meet with you in his office,,alright peace.”
“Yeah it’s Rick again,,I meant to tell you to bring your playbook when you come see him,,,alright,,peace.”
February 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everyone’s assuming he would re-do his deal.
If so, we would of had to wait until August to re-do it.
The guarantee kicker was today, he’s gone.
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Yup… Reg didn’t want to compound what he saw as a mistake. I understand the money part, just have to hope that the replacement is as good or better than Routt and he is paid peanuts (unless replacements are already on roster, of course).
February 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If he doesnt earn his spot he will get cut after this season..
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Mark,
fair enough. I’ll give him year #3
getcha backup plan ready – and I’m not talking about Ricky Brown or Darryl Blackstock!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:01 am
773.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Stanford Routt pockets his $20M guaranteed despite being released on Thurs.
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I hope he sends Mark & Carol a ‘Thank You’ card and leaves some flowers on Al’s grave!
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LMAO!!!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:02 am
We need a dt who can anchor the line, because we’re gonna blitz!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Lets have some real talk!!!!
Who do they keep as QB Palmer or Campbell? Like Burger King you can have it your way, but you have to explain why.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:05 am
808. No kidding we need a nice ilb to put next to 55 this yr so romac can mosty blitz
February 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Routt gave up 8 TDs and 17 yellow flags….
That means we go into each game knowing we are already down 3 points on avg and give away 1 set of down.
Thank goodness that idiot is finally outta here.
You dont need Top 5 CBs to win in this league. You just need a better frontline. Look at the Giants and the majority of the teams that made the playoffs.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Nobody has seen enough out of Chekwa & DVD to assume they could be 16 game starters at CB
whatever limited time Huff has spent at corner, he’s been awful in that role (and I’m a Huff supporter)
Sheppard is certainly gone. He’s probably already pumping gas someplace
CJ37 is old & injury prone. May not return after that family tragedy anyways
Porter/Parker/McCann = hot garbage
In all reality we could have 5 new corners on the roster by August.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Mark,
fair enough. I’ll give him year #3
getcha backup plan ready – and I’m not talking about Ricky Brown or Darryl Blackstock!
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On Point…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Preppie,
What does weed and Mich have in common?
They both get smoked in bowls!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Lets have some real talk!!!!
Who do they keep as QB Palmer or Campbell? Like Burger King you can have it your way, but you have to explain why.
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Campbell is a FA.
Next topic..
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I have a funny feeling Jason Campbell is our QB next year. He can’t throw like Palmer, but he does a better job of protecting the ball and command of the offense.
Plus, AI don’t see Palmer playing in a west coast style offense. Palmer does not like change and Hue is not here to baby the guy.
Maybe they keep them both. Could we afford them both?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
No kidding we need a nice ilb to put next to 55 this yr so romac can mosty blitz
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Mark,
you think we’re running a 3-4 Defense next year?
or is McClain blitzing from OLB?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Palmer is not going anywhere so you can speculate all you want but it wont do any good they are committed to Palmer.
STOP IT!!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
How do you make Mich cookies?
You put’em in a bowl and beat’em for 3 hours!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everyone’s assuming he would re-do his deal.
If so, we would of had to wait until August to re-do it.
The guarantee kicker was today, he’s gone.
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I doubt it. Too much ego to come back here and some other idiotic owner will overlook all of his flaws and give him another fat contract….Hello Dan Snyder.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Yeah, I would rather invest in a killer front 7 and have Allen and Co. coach up the young guns in the secondary.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
No kidding we need a nice ilb to put next to 55 this yr so romac can mosty blitz
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Mark,
you think we’re running a 3-4 Defense next year?
or is McClain blitzing from OLB?
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I think we’ll run a ton of 3-4..
almost a 50/50 split between that & 4-3..
Thats my guess.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:08 am
How do you make Mich cookies?
You put’em in a bowl and beat’em for 3 hours!
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LMFAO….Where’s BSJ?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
McClain is an ilb period. We have been playing him at mike when clearly he is in over his head.
Move him to ilb or olb…
He does not have the killer insticts, or speed to play mike…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
814.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Nobody has seen enough out of Chekwa & DVD to assume they could be 16 game starters at CB
whatever limited time Huff has spent at corner, he’s been awful in that role (and I’m a Huff supporter)
Sheppard is certainly gone. He’s probably already pumping gas someplace
CJ37 is old & injury prone. May not return after that family tragedy anyways
Porter/Parker/McCann = hot garbage
In all reality we could have 5 new corners on the roster by August.
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Agree RR – Like I have been saying before man. I think they are going to blow up parts of this defense and put it back together again. To many “KEY” players with big contracts not producing.
Checkwa and DVD straight projects.
I know I should not cry over spilt milk but man it would havve been nice to add Sterling Moore to our young up and comings.D@mn!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
How do you know what kind of offense Dennis Allen is going to run…You don’t!
He will chose the offensive game plan and have Knapp execute it not the other way around.
We do not know if they will run a WCO its all speculation by people on a BLOG….just how reliable is that?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:09 am
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Everyone’s assuming he would re-do his deal.
If so, we would of had to wait until August to re-do it.
The guarantee kicker was today, he’s gone.
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I doubt it. Too much ego to come back here and some other idiotic owner will overlook all of his flaws and give him another fat contract….Hello Dan Snyder.
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What?…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Mustafa,
Ohio is a great place…to be FROM!
Ask Desmond, Charles, Elvis and your old lady.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
CJ Legend 34 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I have a funny feeling Jason Campbell is our QB next year. He can’t throw like Palmer, but he does a better job of protecting the ball and command of the offense.
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Nope not gonna happen. JC was protected by Al Davis. RM wont bring this guy back. Greg Pappa blasted JC for not willing to come back from injury this season on the radio the other day. The entire org knew he was ready and refused to go back.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:12 am
811-well you can teach palmer to be more conservative, but you can’t teach campbell the ability to make all of thethrows.. cp3 since I cant have both.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
CJ u r kidding right?
JC is not a REAL QB. Ask the career experts.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RRS…cooper carlisle sux as does the wimp ass zbs
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Projected team timeline, next 5 years:
2012 – Rookie coaches and rookie GM figure out what they are doing. Roster is overturned with shedding of Al scholarship contracts and switch to 3-4 defensive personnel. Team wins 7-10 games.
2013 – Carson palmer on the hotseat. Win or go home. Second year of roster turnaround. Playoff contenders if Palmer is playing well
2014 – Rebuilding is complete. Sane business practices have returned. Serious playoff contenders if palmer is good, otherwise grooming a new QB picked up in draft or FA
2015/2016 – Playoffs become a regular occurrence. Looking for key players in key spots to become dominant and win it all
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Thec Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:10 am
McClain is an ilb period. We have been playing him at mike when clearly he is in over his head.
Move him to ilb or olb…
He does not have the killer insticts, or speed to play mike
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Not enough swivel in his hos and for someone who suppose to be better in coverage coming out of AL. I just don’t see it.
Yeah, for a possible thug want-a-be you don’t see a lot of fire on the field. Ray Lewis looks intense out there! All the great ILB’s looked like they would rip your head off as soon as you touched the ball. Don’t see that with him.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
The defense cost the Raiders the most in salaries and victories….
Most guys on the D are non performing assets.
Not playing up to salary, or drat round expectations “McClain”.
The NEW ORG has been watching a lot of film on these guys…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
819- alot of 3-4
February 10th, 2012 at 9:15 am
818.CJ Legend 34 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I have a funny feeling Jason Campbell is our QB next year. He can’t throw like Palmer, but he does a better job of protecting the ball and command of the offense.
Plus, AI don’t see Palmer playing in a west coast style offense. Palmer does not like change and Hue is not here to baby the guy.
Maybe they keep them both. Could we afford them both?
I have that feeling too! Welcome back JC?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am
JC a better qb than btch ass Palmer that’s for sure….now watch every fkin excuse for the surfer spiled rich punk
February 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Not enough swivel in his hos and for someone who suppose to be better in coverage coming out of AL. I just don’t see it.
Yeah, for a possible thug want-a-be you don’t see a lot of fire on the field. Ray Lewis looks intense out there! All the great ILB’s looked like they would rip your head off as soon as you touched the ball. Don’t see that with him.
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you clearly have a grasp, and understanding of what it takes to play LB in the NFL….
I have seen non of what you describe from McClain…
However, I will play the wait and seen.
Wait for new Coaches
Wait for new Scheme
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
RM needs to find a defensive gem version of D. Moore on that side of the ball in this draft.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RRS…cooper carlisle sux as does the wimp ass zbs
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You forgot to mention the 49ers too..
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Preppie,
What? Weak…. Go google a few jokes about The OSU. I will pretend I didn’t read your last post.
Where was OJ hiding before the chase?
Mich. Thats the last place to find a football player.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
833.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:13 am
CJ u r kidding right?
JC is not a REAL QB. Ask the career experts.
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I know he comes across like an average QB and I could not agree more. But if we are going to count on the run again this year and dink and dunk 5-10 yards a pop. I think he could do that better than Palmer.
Palmer is a gun slinger and INTs when and where ever on the field have never stopped him from doing just that.
I am just saying I could see them bringing JC back. besides Palmer what other QBs are out there in free agency?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
834.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:14 am
RRS…cooper carlisle sux as does the wimp ass zbs
I have this feeling B, that Cooper Carlisle will be back because of the ZBS…Mannnnnnn…..
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
McKenzie and Allen just got finished yesterday morning looking at Routt’s highlights from 2011. After the 2 minutes were up, they spent the rest of the hour looking at his penalties and rest of his play.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Man JC nor Palmer need to come back…if we are to move on then both need to go somewhere else…but you crumb brain ppl will defend that loser Palmer all damn day long….no we do not have a franchise qb
February 10th, 2012 at 9:19 am
Palmer will be our starting QB. Knapp and Saunders will tailor the offense to our stars and we will be productive. We will be MUCH better on defense, which will take pressure off the offense, they (Palmer) won’t have to force so much because they KNOW the defense cant help them. Hopefully we wont have a revolving door of receivers, so palmer can get comfortable with them, and they can develop the necessary rythm and timing. Palmer will have a full offseason to work into the offseason which will be important.
…and at the end of the day, the bed has been made, we gave up 2 high draft picks for this guy, and we aren’t going to cut bait on him after 9 games.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Cooper will be back. He’s a perfect fit for ZBS. You guys may not like it but that’s what I think will happen.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
844.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Preppie,
What? Weak…. Go google a few jokes about The OSU. I will pretend I didn’t read your last post.
Where was OJ hiding before the chase?
Mich. Thats the last place to find a football player.
I don’t know about that one…Tom Brady, Ty Law, Tyrone Wheatley, Charles Woodson
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
when given the opportunity Pryor will step up and surprise the NATION at QB…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I have a funny feeling Jason Campbell is our QB next year.
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CJL,
you think Reggie & Dennis talked up Palmer and said he was our starting QB as a smokescreen?
it’s possible. stranger things have happened.
However,
I think Palmer is better than Campbell in ANY system … just like Campbell is better than Russell, Gradkowski & Boller in any system
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Hahahahahahahaha!
JCampbell? LONG GONE.
Might as well wish for Schroder to come back, if u like living in the past.
Hint…its over.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
…and at the end of the day, the bed has been made, we gave up 2 high draft picks for this guy, and we aren’t going to cut bait on him after 9 games.
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Yup. Fact. Reality. Life. Deal with it.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Hwnrdr and we will still suck at the RG position…this is football and you have to be able to beat your man at some point…that zbs schit is garbage once you get to 20…coop doesn’t have the stones and zbs is not a sb winning blocking style….power and brute strength wins this mthfuka!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Preppie,
Did you watch the HBO Documentry about The OSU- mich rivalry?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
848.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Man JC nor Palmer need to come back…if we are to move on then both need to go somewhere else…but you crumb brain ppl will defend that loser Palmer all damn day long….no we do not have a franchise qb
Interesting take…who would you like to be our QB? Boller, gone, Pryor, not ready (yet)…just asking, bro!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
but you crumb brain ppl will defend that loser Palmer all damn day long….no we do not have a franchise qb
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You are going to have accept him. You don’t have to like him, but you have to accept that he WILL be our QB next year. If he stinks, yeah he probably will get released after the season, but for at least next year he will be our qb
February 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
841.Thec Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:16 am
Not enough swivel in his hos and for someone who suppose to be better in coverage coming out of AL. I just don’t see it.
Yeah, for a possible thug want-a-be you don’t see a lot of fire on the field. Ray Lewis looks intense out there! All the great ILB’s looked like they would rip your head off as soon as you touched the ball. Don’t see that with him.
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you clearly have a grasp, and understanding of what it takes to play LB in the NFL….
I have seen non of what you describe from McClain…
However, I will play the wait and seen.
Wait for new Coaches
Wait for new Scheme
wait, wait, wait, wait, wait…
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My bad Tech – Should have read swivel in his “hips.” The guy plays real stiff if you look at him react to the ball.
And yes, unfortunately we have to wait as usual. I would be surprised if we were 8-8 this season and I say that with no malice.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Wouldn’t surprise me to see Routt end up with Rob Ryan and the Cowboys!
You could probably add Huff in the mix too!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Woodson is from Ohio!!!!!
Why Charles? Why?!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
856.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Hwnrdr and we will still suck at the RG position…this is football and you have to be able to beat your man at some point…that zbs schit is garbage once you get to 20…coop doesn’t have the stones and zbs is not a sb winning blocking style….power and brute strength wins this mthfuka!
Agreed! Coop can be a serviceable back up, but we need to find some gems!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Campbell had the slowest arm motion in NFL history. He will never be a WC fit.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Yup AIG…and the Raiders will still be soft vs tough dlines with cooper out there….zbs will not win a title ever….schit is garbage just like the wco
February 10th, 2012 at 9:24 am
862.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Woodson is from Ohio!!!!!
Why Charles? Why?!
LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Bo…JC is a better wco qb than Palmer by far and you know it!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Mustafa,
I missed it. But UM is WAY up on Ohio head to head. Winningest program EVER. It must sting, sorry.
Oh, and best stadium ever too. Even for hockey.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Campbell is cool, but he aint’t schit w/ out a healthy DMAC.
Nuff said!!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Bcz I didn’t accept Josh McClown or Rick Mirer….and I won’t accept Palmer I will boo that btch like I did last year and no one at that fkin Coliseum will say schit or do schit about it….fk that SoCal spoiled rich boy
February 10th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Campbell had the slowest arm motion in NFL history. He will never be a WC fit.
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I know man. The WCO requires QUICK READS AND DECISIONS. Aint never gonna happen with that slow poke.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Didn’t the redskins use the WC offense with JC and it didn’t work?
I can’t remember. I know they wanted Saunders to change the offense to help JC, but I’m not 100% sure they used the WC offense.
I’m getting old.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am
B, jc is not ideal for wc… Slow release and weak at audibling.
CP is a lot better at any system.
Hey, but we can agree oak ain’t a hole…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am
871.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Bcz I didn’t accept Josh McClown or Rick Mirer….and I won’t accept Palmer I will boo that btch like I did last year and no one at that fkin Coliseum will say schit or do schit about it….fk that SoCal spoiled rich boy
Ouch! Thanks for the memories or Rick Mirer…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:30 am
What I love about this move is that it says two things..Most obviously, if you are underperforming and horribly overpaid you are gone, but another message that it sends is that If you play like the way our defense did last year..which was historically bad, You will Get the Coach fired..and in the past under Al’s regime this was like water rolling off a ducks back for the players, they didn’t give 2 sh!ts if they got their coach fired, they weren’t going to be held accountable for it…
Flash forward to 2012, They got their coach fired AND NOW FINALLY they are being held accountable for it. You suck your gone..You suck and get Allen fired…a new Regime will come in AND your GONE along with him. The next coach is going to want his own system, and his own players. If you were part of the failure, you are not going to have a job. Get used to it. The accountability of being an NFL professional has begun for the first time in 35 years around here.
McLovinIt….
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
2 sophmore DB’s?
Kind of scary.
We need to add at least 1 solid DB in free agency.
I’ll let DVD and Check battle it out for the other position.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Any professional NFL QB that can’t handle the competition with a career back up in Gradkowski is definitely not starting material in this league.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Keep booing then.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
RRS…I know you’re a Christian man but I hope you didny do a Josh Hamilton and relapse…no way is Palmer better than Jc in the wco…you have no leg to stand on making that statement…none
February 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
JC cant read a defense Palmer is great at the LOS did you see him run the hurry up last year in San Diego?
Palmer is a good QB with an off season and OTA’s he is going to light it up. He is similar to Eli manning in age and ability or arm strength.
Eli threw 26 INT’s in 2010 then had a great 2011 I expect Palmer to emulate that…next season Palmer is a top 5 QB.
All this talk about getting rid of him well answer the question if you want Palmer gone who will replace him WHO?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:32 am
B, its a SoCal thing wit CP? zzzzzzzzzzz…
FYI, CSUN is a joke…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
So when is Seymour going to get the ax?
Next……..
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
847.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:18 am
McKenzie and Allen just got finished yesterday morning looking at Routt’s highlights from 2011. After the 2 minutes were up, they spent the rest of the hour looking at his penalties and rest of his play.
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yeeeeeep
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Preppie,
We (Raiders) were too. Is that making you fell better now? Look at the last decade. You guys won ONE game. You managed to win ONE game after our program collapsed. Prepare to lose again for the next 6 years.
Btw, try to watch it. Great & funny video. You will understand the reason I call you Preppie.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Palmer is better than JC in any given situation because he can make more throws than JC and he can read a defense better, quicker and make better decisions at the LOS.
There is no comparison ask any NFL expert.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Aig….wrong….becuz it was proven jc was way better and idiot raider coaches fked up our playoffs…jc shoulda been pissed….grad isn’t any near his talent or production level…how would you feel on your job if an inferior person was put at your level? Thanks
February 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
CP3 is not going anywhere!
Keep him around for another 2 years and then let TP take over.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:35 am
I didn’t accept Josh McClown or Rick Mirer….and I won’t accept Palmer
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ROG,
did you REALLY just put Carson Palmer in the same class as Mirer & McCown?
smh
February 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
666…no….ask any nfl expert about wco qbs and they’ll tell u JC would be better qb than palmer by far…palmer will stink this year…you are out of your mind
February 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I think the NFL should mandate that all player contracts are open for review by the public and NFL.com should have a link that gives specificas on each contract.
Imagine all the time we could waste imaginary GMing then!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Experts tell us JC ain’t even a real QB. I roll with that insight.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Being a great athlete and having arm strength is cool and all but what separates the men from the boys is the read at the LOS.
Peyton manning is the best at this and Palmer is right up there he has a very good understanding of defenses and how to read a defense and what to audible to in any given situation.
Stop bashing him he is our QB and a damn good one.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
885.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Preppie,
We (Raiders) were too. Is that making you fell better now? Look at the last decade. You guys won ONE game. You managed to win ONE game after our program collapsed. Prepare to lose again for the next 6 years.
Btw, try to watch it. Great & funny video. You will understand the reason I call you Preppie
I don’t know, you’re riding on Urban Meyer who in my opinion is over rated!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
853.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I have a funny feeling Jason Campbell is our QB next year.
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CJL,
you think Reggie & Dennis talked up Palmer and said he was our starting QB as a smokescreen?
it’s possible. stranger things have happened.
However,
I think Palmer is better than Campbell in ANY system … just like Campbell is better than Russell, Gradkowski & Boller in any system
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RR – It may sound crazy, but I think Palmer and Campbell are closer than people think. That is what makes it hard to commit 100% to one or the other. Campbell does not take more risk down the field, but he does a good job of knowing where his team is at on the field a protecting the football. Palmer makes some asome throws but does a bad job of protecting the football and living to fight another play. Watched Palmer play in Cincy (I live in Columbus) and he would throw picks at the worse time that hurt his team.
Under Knapp if we truly do go back to a run first team like we did back when he was the OC for the Raiders. Who would best work in that offense? A QB that likes to gamble (worked well for a gambler like Hue) or a guy like Campbell who will live to fight another day and control the clock taking what the defense gives him?
Look at early in the season when we were running over teams controling the clock did not have to convert a large number of third down and 15’s. Campbell, was effective in pushing the ball down field (well except for NE. LOL!!).
I think Palmer is the better passer. He makes some amzing throws, but when he blows it. he usually blows it at the worse times. So, I think our QB of the future has not shown up yet but you have to go with somebody. I am glad the coaches can work this one out and most likely it is Palmer but I would not be surprised if JC is resigned.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:38 am
878.aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Any professional NFL QB that can’t handle the competition with a career back up in Gradkowski is definitely not starting material in this league.
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Can’t argue with that….
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Palmer ain’t my qb….and RRS yes I did…like McCown and Mirer Palmer isn’t worth schit
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
The Raiders players said JC felt more at ease once they put Grad away. Deny all you want but most winning QBs (exception to Alex Smith) in this league requires a certain amount of balls and ego. Sorry JC is so fragile. He is not STARTER material. Let’s see how he performs this year with another team.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
“Experts tell us JC ain’t even a real QB. I roll with that insight.”
We will see when free agency starts just how many teams are after him as a starter and what kind of money they are offering him.
My money says he signs on as a backup somewhere for 3-4 million.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
B, u need to drop the wasted hate for SF and LA. Real Raiders come from anywhere as long as they have Raider heart and don’t quit in a playoff chase.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
no way is Palmer better than Jc in the wco…you have no leg to stand on making that statement…none
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ROG,
to be honest.. I haven’t seen either player play in a WCO/ZBS
just my opinion, man
February 10th, 2012 at 9:40 am
On another note, I’m gonna LMFAO if the Lakers allow LinSanity to continue tonite. I expect Kobe to shut him down tonite.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Hwnrdr,
PLEASE tell me you are not from mich?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Bo,
Did you send out your retraction yet?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
894.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:37 am
885.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:33 am
Preppie,
We (Raiders) were too. Is that making you fell better now? Look at the last decade. You guys won ONE game. You managed to win ONE game after our program collapsed. Prepare to lose again for the next 6 years.
Btw, try to watch it. Great & funny video. You will understand the reason I call you Preppie
I don’t know, you’re riding on Urban Meyer who in my opinion is over rated!
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OK I live in Columbus but I cheer for MI when they play because I spent sometime there as well. But, I will say there is no way I would call Urban Myer over rated! Look at the score and say no more! Any college team would love to have that guy as a coach. Now with that being said I hope MI whips that @$$ this year! : )
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The difference between Campbell and Palmer is that if the run game gets shut down Palmer CAN take over the game and throw us to victory. JC isn’t really that kind of player, if we get behind or the run game fails that ball control player becomes meaningless.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Experts say our season went down the tubes once JC went down….I stick with them…..fk Robert Carson Palmer…pick 6 machine….always been once since the fkin 90s…what has changed?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Linsanity! How did the Warriors let this guy go?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am
aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Any professional NFL QB that can’t handle the competition with a career back up in Gradkowski is definitely not starting material in this league
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lol
February 10th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Dam, I’ve been out of the loop. I just heard this news about Routt – on Dallas radio. The Cowboys have reached out to him. lol
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
905.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
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You must mean Joe Montana.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
876 im with you on that. About time. Big question everyone I keep saying is. Is this organization rebuilding ? I ve seen the maddness in here just from assistant coaches to calling reggie names and stuff . Imagine if this team is looking for draft picks and selling as much as they can . What will the nation do. woooo. I honestly dont care a quick fix isnt the way theres a price to pay lets pay now and get back. Teams rebuild and quick and become playoff teams quick now
February 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
903.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Hwnrdr,
PLEASE tell me you are not from mich?
No, I’m not but I used to follw Michigan as a teenager! I don’t follow too much of their basketball anymore, and not since the fab 5 (really), but I remember following Woodson’s career there and I ALMOST did a backflip when Al selected him in 98!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Man that’s bs about Palmer carrying us when run game was shutdown….that’s mega bullschit
February 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
899.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:39 am
“Experts tell us JC ain’t even a real QB. I roll with that insight.”
We will see when free agency starts just how many teams are after him as a starter and what kind of money they are offering him.
My money says he signs on as a backup somewhere for 3-4 million.
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And with this logic, why do you think he would not be a back up for Oakland next year behind Palmer at 3-4mill??
I mean he knows the system and the players even if does become a WC run offense. Keep in mind Palmer is not a WC guy neither.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:45 am
FK all this Mich-Ohio talk.
I’m a California Bear!
Grrrrrrrrr!! (fire Tedford)
February 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
912.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
905.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
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You must mean Joe Montana.
LOL, he’s talking about Brady…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Either Dan Snyder or Jerry Jones will pick up this guy. One of these 2 yoyos will give him another fat contract.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am
908.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Experts say our season went down the tubes once JC went down….I stick with them…..fk Robert Carson Palmer…pick 6 machine….always been once since the fkin 90s…what has changed?
I’d have to agree…my heart stopped when JC went down, knowing that Kyle FN Boller was next man up! Uggghhhh!!!!, and then DMAC goes down….
February 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Name a game where Palmer took it over and led us to victory when run game was shut…I said take it over…take command and does Heruclean schit to win for us….you won’t find that game…stop lying
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
918.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
912.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
905.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
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You must mean Joe Montana.
LOL, he’s talking about Brady…
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No, if he is talking about the best QB ever he must be talking about Montana. After the past 7 years only a tard would think Brady was better than Montana.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Does anyone have the numbers on JC vs Palmer on 4th Quarter Scoring?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
does anybody know what offense A&M ran under RJ Slocum in the 90’s?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
907.bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The difference between Campbell and Palmer is that if the run game gets shut down Palmer CAN take over the game and throw us to victory. JC isn’t really that kind of player, if we get behind or the run game fails that ball control player becomes meaningless.
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Really? When did Palmer take over and throw us to victory?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Palmer & Campbell are different QB’s.
I like both of them, but if I’m forced to decide .. I choose CP over JC ten times out of ten
Carson Palmer sat on the couch for 9 months before being traded to OAK. Didn’t know the offense, the coaches or his teammates. We traded for him on 10/18 and by 11/06 (his first start as a Raider) he was already a better QB than Jason Campbell, throwing for 300+ yards & 3 TD’s
thats less than 3 weeks bro!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Li will come back to earth.
They’ll start D’ing that fool up.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The difference between Campbell and Palmer is that if the run game gets shut down Palmer CAN take over the game and throw us to victory. JC isn’t really that kind of player, if we get behind or the run game fails that ball control player becomes meaningless.
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I point to the NE game for big time JC supporters. The guy folds against strong competition.
You can say CP didn’t have a good year and I would get why one would say that. But really, it was more of an up and down year. Certainly no worse than Jason’s. Substitute INT with overthrow or punt and it’s not so different.
CP also didn’t have McFadden and threw for more yards and TDs in the same amount of time.
Our season wnet down the tubes when McFadden went down.
That’s why we will re-tool the offense next year so that we can plug in Bush (or his replacement) and Taiwan to a ZBS and make them productive if DMC can’t stay healthy.
Bring CP in a bit being that he will be running a more ball control type offense.
Initially I was pretty disappointed with the Knapp hire, but the more I htink about it (and with retention of Saunders), the more I think we’re going to have an efficient offense with FAR fewer turnovers, albeit maybe not as explosive.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
922.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
918.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
912.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
905.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
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You must mean Joe Montana.
LOL, he’s talking about Brady…
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No, if he is talking about the best QB ever he must be talking about Montana. After the past 7 years only a tard would think Brady was better than Montana.
LOL, Dakota, the clue was Lloyd Carr, Michigan legend coach…and I know Montana is way better than Brady!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am
A qb who throws hella pick sixes and has more turnovers than tds isn’t starting material….get rid of Palmer now
February 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am
925.CJ Legend 34 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
907.bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
The difference between Campbell and Palmer is that if the run game gets shut down Palmer CAN take over the game and throw us to victory. JC isn’t really that kind of player, if we get behind or the run game fails that ball control player becomes meaningless.
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Really? When did Palmer take over and throw us to victory?
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Our last victory against KC….long bomb in OT, then victory.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
> Being a great athlete and having arm strength is cool and all but what separates the men from the boys is the read at the LOS.
Peyton manning is the best at this and Palmer is right up there he has a very good understanding of defenses and how to read a defense and what to audible to in any given situation.
Stop bashing him he is our QB and a damn good one.
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Amen to that! People vastly underrate how important the amount of skill between the ears plays into a QBs production at the NFL level. Things are soooo much more complex and move so much faster than in college, where athleticism can get you a long ways. Look at all the top QBs in the league over the last few seasons and you’ll see the same trend: they are all intelligent (can tell by hearing how thoughtful they are when they speak and by watching how quickly they assess the D and make adjustments), decisive in the pocket, and use mobility as their last line of defense. Both Mannings, Rogers, Brees, (I hate to say it, but) Brady and Rivers too. Newton appears to have the right stuff too, but let’s give him more than one season and see how teams adjust with a whole season of film on him and an offseason to digest it.
JC lacks this and that’s why he holds the offense back. His reads are too slow, both at the LOS and in his drop back reads. Palmer showed a command of the offense in his first start that JC never did in his whole Raiders tenure. Combine his ability to read and adjust with DMac’s breakaway ability, and this time will be a better rushing team than ever!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
929.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:49 am
922.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:48 am
918.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:46 am
912.Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:44 am
905.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:41 am
As much as I hate it, the best QB ever came from SF. Lloyd Carr gets the cred tho…
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You must mean Joe Montana.
LOL, he’s talking about Brady…
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No, if he is talking about the best QB ever he must be talking about Montana. After the past 7 years only a tard would think Brady was better than Montana.
LOL, Dakota, the clue was Lloyd Carr, Michigan legend coach…and I know Montana is way better than Brady!
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No, only a mentally challenged individual would be talking about Brady over Montana. The Carr stuff must have just been a typo.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
JC had two problems: 1) threw a lousy deep ball, and 2) completely disappeared some games
Other than that, he played pretty well when the oline held up. It’s all moot now
February 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Blah blah for the excuse train for Palmer…he didn’t deserve a healthy dmac! That’s karma for your ass! You not gonna sit on a couch and then just jump into easy street….justice was done
February 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
930.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:50 am
A qb who throws hella pick sixes and has more turnovers than tds isn’t starting material….get rid of Palmer now
I think he will be gone! Interesting how they talk up Palmer in the presser, than get a WCO guy in Knapp! Somethings’ GOTTA give!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Football is a complex game its takes QB’s a while to get adjusted to a new system for a guy to come cold of his couch and learn a new system with new WR’s in the middle of a season is very difficult for even a guy like Peyton Manning it would be difficult.
Palmer played great in SD and again when SD was here he did enough to win but as you all saw our defense could not SD to punt ONCE the entire game!!
I don’t care how good of a football player you are if your defense cannot stop them ONCE the entire game you will lose the game every time!
Stop blaming Palmer when its obvious the D couldn’t stop the Chargers once the entire game.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Name a game where Palmer took it over and led us to victory when run game was shut…I said take it over…take command and does Heruclean schit to win for us….you won’t find that game…stop lying
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Um, I’m not sure that it has to be Herculean.
But Chicago is a good example of CP moving the ball when the run game became limited. It wasn’t a flashy game in terms of his stat line but if you watch the game, he made numerous sound decisions and great throws to keep the chains moving and get points on the board.
He also played pretty poorly (along with the whole team) 1st half in KC and came through in the clutch with a few great throws which got us the W.
Completely objectively, CP can get it done for us but will need to limit turnovers.
With the new offense we’re installing I would virtually guarantee it.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Jason Campbell beat the Broncos, Jets, Texans & Browns with Darren McFadden.
Carson Palmer beat the Chargers, Vikings, Bears & Chiefs without him.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
LOL, Dakota…we were talking Michigan football, and when he said that unfortunately the best QB came from SF, with Llod Carr getting the credit, he was talking about Brady! Although…I didn’t think Brady was that good in Michigan, but probably will be the best QB prospect out of Michigan!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Experts say our season went down the tubes once JC went down….I stick with them…..fk Robert Carson Palmer…pick 6 machine….always been once since the fkin 90s…what has changed?
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DMC going down didn’t help either..
February 10th, 2012 at 9:54 am
Jc never lost back to back games in Oakland….can Robert Carson say that Zymurge? Thanks
February 10th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Blah blah for the excuse train for Palmer…he didn’t deserve a healthy dmac! That’s karma for your ass! You not gonna sit on a couch and then just jump into easy street….justice was done
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makes no sense.
What did JC do to get a broken collar bone?
Karma for not learning how to slide 15 years ago?
Cmon.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Hwnrdr…actually from San Mateo!
February 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am
935.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Blah blah for the excuse train for Palmer…he didn’t deserve a healthy dmac! That’s karma for your ass! You not gonna sit on a couch and then just jump into easy street….justice was done
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lmao, come on Brien….you really think it was a karma deal? Why? Because Palmer finally gave up trying to be the Warden at Bengals State Prison and head psychiatrist of the Bengal Asylum for the Morons?
Players demand trades all of the time. NFL contracts are worthless. Teams can cut you for anything. Why should a player have to live up to it if the team doesn’t have to?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am
we lost campbell, mcfadden, ford, and moore, all within 2-3 weeks. ouch
February 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Do any of you realize how happy the city of Cincy was when they had Dalton instead of Palmer? It was not because they flat out did not like the guy. There were a number of Cicny fans who supported him leaving because they did not like the direction the team was going with guys like OCHO Stinko! They were happy that Dalton did not throw as many picks as Palmer. Then they were happy that the kid actually looked like a pro QB and had a good connection with his WRs. Dalton does not makes all the throws like Palmer, but he does not make all the INTS as a rookie. He does a better job of protecting the ball and allows the play makers around him to make the plays.
Palmer, has proven two things as a pro QB. 1) He can make on the pro throws and 2) He can make all the INTs at the worse times in a game.
You love the guy one minute and hate him the next. Ever sense his knee was blew out that has been his game. Has nothing to do with him sitting on the couch. Now I hope he can have a great season for us next year, but I have seen enough heart ache with fans in Cincy to be cautious.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
r8eray Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Hwnrdr…actually from San Mateo!
What’s up Ray? I know…
February 10th, 2012 at 9:57 am
CP3 takes his chances and I’m cool w/ that.
It’s the dumb ass int’s like the one in GB that need to be eliminated.
He’ll be cool next season.
CP3 and DMAC both on the field.
Watch out!
DMAC almost saved Campbell’s career, but they both went down like flies.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
RrS…you play hand you are dealt…so guys grow up with silver spoon in their mouth and have all resources while I don’t have that luxury…does that mean I can’t succeed? Thanks….plus Carson didn’t deserve Dmac after being a quitter
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Same old ish…TGIF!
What you been up to?
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
“Zymurge Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
> Being a great athlete and having arm strength is cool and all but what separates the men from the boys is the read at the LOS.
Peyton manning is the best at this and Palmer is right up there he has a very good understanding of defenses and how to read a defense and what to audible to in any given situation.
Stop bashing him he is our QB and a damn good one.
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Amen to that! People vastly underrate how important the amount of skill between the ears plays into a QBs production at the NFL level. Things are soooo much more complex and move so much faster than in college, where athleticism can get you a long ways. Look at all the top QBs in the league over the last few seasons and you’ll see the same trend: they are all intelligent (can tell by hearing how thoughtful they are when they speak and by watching how quickly they assess the D and make adjustments), decisive in the pocket, and use mobility as their last line of defense. Both Mannings, Rogers, Brees, (I hate to say it, but) Brady and Rivers too. Newton appears to have the right stuff too, but let’s give him more than one season and see how teams adjust with a whole season of film on him and an offseason to digest it.
JC lacks this and that’s why he holds the offense back. His reads are too slow, both at the LOS and in his drop back reads. Palmer showed a command of the offense in his first start that JC never did in his whole Raiders tenure. Combine his ability to read and adjust with DMac’s breakaway ability, and this time will be a better rushing team than ever!”
This is the hardest part about playing that position and most semi-pros here cant grasp that. There is a lot more to playing QB than throwing the ball.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
r8eray Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Same old ish…TGIF!
What you been up to?
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Hell to the yes on TGIF!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
> Jc never lost back to back games in Oakland….can Robert Carson say that Zymurge? Thanks
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QBs don’t win or lose games by themselves. They are key contributors. Everyone knows that as the season wore on and film grew on the Raiders defense, they got worse and worse each game. Show me how many points and yards that the defense gave up in JCs wins and losses and CPs wins and losses, and the number will tell you the real answer.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
CJ & Hwn like mich too?! I hope you enjoyed last season. Prepare to lose for the next 6 years.
Hwnrdr,
Can you imagine Woodson on that buckeye team with D Boston?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:00 am
http://nfl.si.com/2012/02/10/stanford-routt-release-a-step-in-new-direction-for-raiders/?sct=nfl_t2_a7
“Pro Football Focus, in fact, had him ranked as the 89th-best cornerback in the league, based on production last season. That’s hardly worth $10 million-plus a season.”
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Are you guys keeping up w/ all the posts?
I sure ain’t!
lol
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
923.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:47 am
Name a game where Palmer took it over and led us to victory when run game was shut…I said take it over…take command and does Heruclean schit to win for us….you won’t find that game…stop lying
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I never said he DID it, I said he is capable… I have no reason to lie. I dont give a fvck about you or your shtty closed minded opinions. You should look up the definition of what a ‘lie’ is partner.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Dakota spare me that excuse…Cincy is an NFL franchise…he was privleged to play in NFL…and notice Cincy made strides without the btch….next
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
This is what I think, Reggie will try to resign JC, because basically we have nobody proven otherwise! Pryor is our project and I hope he will get better and learn! If JC walks, like most of us pretty much know he will, I don’t see them cutting Palmer just yet! But we have ALL seen stranger things. Like someone mentioned earlier…get your popcorn ready and hang on for the ride!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Lmao @ Montana the GOAT! Even his own team wanted Young over him and his play in KC proved em right.
Brady, Marino, Elway > Montana
February 10th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Carson didn’t deserve Dmac after being a quitter
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ROG,
BSJ would probably argue that the spoiled quitter (#20) didn’t deserve Carson, Ha!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Zymurge…Raiders defense been awful every year since 03….please find another excuse…it don’t fly here
February 10th, 2012 at 10:03 am
951.r8eray Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Same old ish…TGIF!
What you been up to?
Oh you know, working, going home to the family…gonna enjoy this weekend! TGIF!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
“Do any of you realize how happy the city of Cincy was when they had Dalton instead of Palmer? It was not because they flat out did not like the guy. There were a number of Cicny fans who supported him leaving because they did not like the direction the team was going with guys like OCHO Stinko! ”
That may be true but I can tell you as a PFT reader I saw hundreds of posts from Baltimore and Pittsburgh that said thank god Palmer is out of our division because he beat those hard nosed defense every year.
His stats against the Ravens and Steeler’s are very good. Those are the posts I gave credibility to more so than the cry baby Bengal fans who have an emptier stadium than we do.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Pro Football Focus had Stan Routt ranked as the 89th-best cornerback in the league, based on production last season.
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@Duck
sounds like this was an easy decision for McKenzie, Allen & Tarver!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
I’m trying keep up ya’ll, but it’s like a San Quentin riot in this b!tch!!
Watch out!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
961.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Lmao @ Montana the GOAT! Even his own team wanted Young over him and his play in KC proved em right.
Brady, Marino, Elway > Montana
Didn’t Montana almost take KC to the Championship game his first year?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Heck even Warren Moon > Montana
February 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Players demand trades all of the time. NFL contracts are worthless. Teams can cut you for anything. Why should a player have to live up to it if the team doesn’t have to?
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Palmer is a quitter for demanding a trade… is mcKenzie a quitter for dumping routt? No… its a smart business decision when the team cuts ties with a player, but if a player wants to cut ties with the team hes a quitter…. brilliant logic.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
952.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:58 am
“Zymurge Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:51 am
> Being a great athlete and having arm strength is cool and all but what separates the men from the boys is the read at the LOS.
Peyton manning is the best at this and Palmer is right up there he has a very good understanding of defenses and how to read a defense and what to audible to in any given situation.
Stop bashing him he is our QB and a damn good one.
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Amen to that! People vastly underrate how important the amount of skill between the ears plays into a QBs production at the NFL level. Things are soooo much more complex and move so much faster than in college, where athleticism can get you a long ways. Look at all the top QBs in the league over the last few seasons and you’ll see the same trend: they are all intelligent (can tell by hearing how thoughtful they are when they speak and by watching how quickly they assess the D and make adjustments), decisive in the pocket, and use mobility as their last line of defense. Both Mannings, Rogers, Brees, (I hate to say it, but) Brady and Rivers too. Newton appears to have the right stuff too, but let’s give him more than one season and see how teams adjust with a whole season of film on him and an offseason to digest it.
JC lacks this and that’s why he holds the offense back. His reads are too slow, both at the LOS and in his drop back reads. Palmer showed a command of the offense in his first start that JC never did in his whole Raiders tenure. Combine his ability to read and adjust with DMac’s breakaway ability, and this time will be a better rushing team than ever!”
This is the hardest part about playing that position and most semi-pros here cant grasp that. There is a lot more to playing QB than throwing the ball.
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Does Palmer is no Peyton my firend. Peyton does not throw as many INTs. He will throw the ball away and allow his team to punt the ball or stay in field goal range that is all part of being intellegent. I actually think JC thinks to much and does not use enough instinct.
Palmer is not a terrible QB he just lacks better judgement at times and trusts his arm way to much.
You are comparing JC and Palmer to a class that neither one of them are in. Palmer should nnot included in that class of QB that you are refering too.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Next slacker to be cut……………………
I say Seymour
February 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Bcz…if you didn’t give a fk you wouldn’t have responded…thanks for playing….liar!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
LMAO DMAC @ 967.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
966.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
Pro Football Focus had Stan Routt ranked as the 89th-best cornerback in the league, based on production last season.
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@Duck
sounds like this was an easy decision for McKenzie, Allen & Tarver!
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89th? RR no $#!T?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:06 am
almost counts?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:07 am
sounds like if all of us semi-pros get our way everybody on the team is going to be cut !!
so my question is where are we going to get players from?? dont see us picking up 53 free agents and draft picks
February 10th, 2012 at 10:07 am
How many times do I have to say it!!!!
CP is better than JC. (I can’t get past JC’s bottom lip hanging down so far.)
However, CP will never, ever, be better than he was this season. Maybe he will be a little more polished having training camp and ota’s, but basically CP is what he was this season.
Now get over it. He’ll at least start this season, but he’ll never be our franchise QB.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Does Palmer is no Peyton my firend. Peyton does not throw as many INTs.
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Im gonna start playing this game too. You are a LIAR.
2009-2010 combined seasons Carson Palmer threw 33 INTs…
2009-2010 combined season Peyton Manning threw… wait for it….
33 INTS. Exactly the same amount.
You are a LIAR. Peyton Manning sucks because he throws Ints.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
BCz…show me how CP i s capable of doing that when run game is stalled….remember cincy was a passing team not a run team…so ill wait…go google or look up some stats bruh for me…09 is when cincy started to run ball like a run first team…ill give ya time my friend
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Seymour takes too many plays off, but he is still one of the best DTs in the game. I hope he restructures his contract. I also like Wimbkey and curry to stay after they restructure.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
965.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:04 am
“Do any of you realize how happy the city of Cincy was when they had Dalton instead of Palmer? It was not because they flat out did not like the guy. There were a number of Cicny fans who supported him leaving because they did not like the direction the team was going with guys like OCHO Stinko! ”
That may be true but I can tell you as a PFT reader I saw hundreds of posts from Baltimore and Pittsburgh that said thank god Palmer is out of our division because he beat those hard nosed defense every year.
His stats against the Ravens and Steeler’s are very good. Those are the posts I gave credibility to more so than the cry baby Bengal fans who have an emptier stadium than we do.
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What??? Not a big Bengal’s fan but dude thier stadium was packed this year and they play in the freakin cold right off the river. They support their team.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota,
Who is the SECOND BEST QB ever from Pedo State…er I mean notre dame?
Crickets…
February 10th, 2012 at 10:10 am
We need a new fix.
Who will be cut next?
I say Huff.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:10 am
Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Seymour takes too many plays off, but he is still one of the best DTs in the game. I hope he restructures his contract. I also like Wimbkey and curry to stay after they restructure.
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Kelly or Seymour?
I think one of the two has got to go.
Take your pick.
I say ax Seymour and find that run stuffing DT to rotate w/ Houston.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Hahahahahahahaha bcz is so lost he now compares a champion qb and a loser like palmer…while we are at it let’s compare monta vs kobe hahahahahahahahaha…see peyton’s wins and better yet comeback wins and PLAYOFF WINS…next one bcz my good friend
February 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Palmer walked in mid-season with
-no time to learn the system
-was thrown to the wolves by our idiot HC in his very first game
-lost his best RB without even having the chance to hand off to him once
-lost two of his best WRs in Moore and Ford for a large portion of time
-Had a QB coach/HC/playcaller in Hue who didn’t even make it into meetings
-had to overcome a defense that crumbled into a pathetic mass of disinterest and idiocy
Actually, everything considered Palmer performed quite well. Had Boller started those games we would be sitting at 5-11, if we were lucky.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Jason Campbell’s 4 victories:
WK1 = DMAC runs for 150 yards
WK3 = DMAC runs for 171 yards & 2 TD’s
WK5 = Al Davis just died. Defense goes ape ish and stuffs Arian Foster. 3 sacks & 2 INT’s on Schaub and a forced fumble. 4 FG’s by Seabass
WK6 = DMAC runs for 91 yards & 1 TD. Lechler fake punt pass to Boss for a TD. JC injured (only completed 6 passes)
Without Darren McFadden and an emotionally charged up Chuck B defense after Al’s passing?
Jason Campbell would have been 0-4 last year and ROG would be calling for his head
February 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Bo,
D Lamonica
February 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am
BLESS AA RAIDER NATION!!!!
For all of you who missed the debate between Fargas and DMAC, we will be resureccting this for old times sakes, starting at 3:OO eastern standard time. We will follow with a review of Grads and JC, with Carson Palmer thrown in to continue to split hairs, until no hair exsists.
If that won’t entertain you, we can review the mighty debate between, Raider O (finance pro) vs Dell and how we split hairs on whether Huff can play corner. Oh, was that one interesting, it shaved many hours of work that was not fun to do, please stay tuned.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:13 am
“What??? Not a big Bengal’s fan but dude thier stadium was packed this year and they play in the freakin cold right off the river. They support their team.”
You are dead wrong here is a link showing as much!
You might want to think or do some research before speaking!
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/874894-cincinnati-bengals-who-to-blame-for-tv-blackout
February 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
983.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota,
Who is the SECOND BEST QB ever from Pedo State…er I mean notre dame?
Crickets…
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Heisman Thiesmann
February 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
979.bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Does Palmer is no Peyton my firend. Peyton does not throw as many INTs.
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Im gonna start playing this game too. You are a LIAR.
2009-2010 combined seasons Carson Palmer threw 33 INTs…
2009-2010 combined season Peyton Manning threw… wait for it….
33 INTS. Exactly the same amount.
You are a LIAR. Peyton Manning sucks because he throws Ints.
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I am sure during the game situations if you look at those INTs it will be paint a totally different picture.
So if you want to sleep good at night convinced that Palmer is at the same level as Peyton Manning go for it.
So if Peyton is released and comes knocking at our door and says I always dreamed about being a Raider. We should tell him. Heck, no!!! Because bcz24 says that Palmer is just as good as you are so we don’t need a bum like you!!!
Cheers!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Palmer ain’t elite…JC ain’t elite…but for Oakland Raiders last season we know JC was better qb…and I say neother need to be here…see difference between me and you CP cronies? I like JC and know he needs to go…y’all will see this after 2012 six win season
February 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Huff cannot play corner.
Dudes hips are waaaaaay to stiff.
Keep him at FS and restructure his contract or kick rocks!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
988.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Jason Campbell’s 4 victories:
WK1 = DMAC runs for 150 yards
WK3 = DMAC runs for 171 yards & 2 TD’s
WK5 = Al Davis just died. Defense goes ape ish and stuffs Arian Foster. 3 sacks & 2 INT’s on Schaub and a forced fumble. 4 FG’s by Seabass
WK6 = DMAC runs for 91 yards & 1 TD. Lechler fake punt pass to Boss for a TD. JC injured (only completed 6 passes)
Without Darren McFadden and an emotionally charged up Chuck B defense after Al’s passing?
Jason Campbell would have been 0-4 last year and ROG would be calling for his head
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Oh ouch, Rockstar with the K.O. of Brien and all the Campbell ball suckers!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
983.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota,
Who is the SECOND BEST QB ever from Pedo State…er I mean notre dame?
Crickets…
good Question! Can’t be Brady Quinn, can it?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Cutting Routt was the best move of the post “Mr. Davis” era. He should’ve never received the contract or commitment The Raiders extended him last off-season.
But let’s not go too far. Big Rich Seymour is a dominant force that offensive coordinators game plan for EVERY week. He definitely needs to restructure but that man is directly responsible for the culture change the past couple years. 8-8 isn’t anything to brag about but beats the hell out of 4-12.
Something happened to the Raiders defensive line after the Miami Dolphins game. I know the Shaunessy injury hurt but we were murdering quarterbacks (and offensive lines) during the first half of the season. Reggie McKenzie & Coach Allen have to figure out what made the pass rush non-existent down the stretch.
WE DEFINITELY NEED A SAM ADAMS / JOHN PARELLA TYPE DEFENSIVE TACKLE THOUGH!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
1000?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
RrS….motto is Just Win Baby or Just Win under certain circumstance?lol
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
1000
February 10th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Where’s my playa patna J Heezy at?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
WE DEFINITELY NEED A SAM ADAMS / JOHN PARELLA TYPE DEFENSIVE TACKLE THOUGH!!!!!!!!
Yes, but ones that can stay healthy!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Huff cannot play corner.
Dudes hips are waaaaaay to stiff.
Keep him at FS and restructure his contract or kick rocks!
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Greg Pappa was just on the radio and claimed Huff as our best slot corner last year.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Dakota actually no…becuz you win with cards you are dealt…so your Redneck Revue cheerleader antics don’t fly here…..JC the leader of team like a point guard…he runs the ball club….Jc four wins and we were on our way to home playoff game
February 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:20 am
DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Huff cannot play corner.
Dudes hips are waaaaaay to stiff.
Keep him at FS and restructure his contract or kick rocks!
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Greg Pappa was just on the radio and claimed Huff as our best slot corner last year.
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All he can do is cover TE’s pretty well. IMO
February 10th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Yup AIG…and the Raiders will still be soft vs tough dlines with cooper out there….zbs will not win a title ever….schit is garbage just like the wco
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B,
Ummmm….you do know that the Packers won the Super Bowl last year, right???
And you do know, their O-line coach (James Campen) is about as hardcore of a ZBS guy there is in the NFL, right?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
motto is Just Win Baby or Just Win under certain circumstance?
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ROG,
I like to play the “what if” game, don’t you?
example: what if Beyonce showed up at your ghetto palace???
your welcome. we’ll see you in about 30 minutes
February 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Dell aka Finance Master/ Guru,
Do you mean the debate that I won. lol
February 10th, 2012 at 10:22 am
1000.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
RrS….motto is Just Win Baby or Just Win under certain circumstance?lol
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This Campbell-Palmer debate is a joke. Palmer is heads and shoulders better than Campbell and everyone knows it.
But really it came down to which QB played with the best Raiders player, McFadden….Campbell was lucky, Palmer wasn’t. It is like arguing about John Paxon v. Steve Kerr….when everyone knows that it really came down to whether Jordan was playing or not. Campbell played with our MJ, Palmer played with the 94-95 Bulls.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:23 am
And please stop the trade Mcfadden non-sense. that man is a beast and is arguably the most explosive RB in the game when healthy.
If you’re ready to watch that dude tear up the league in a different uniform go ahead and trade him. But I still remember watching Charles Woodson win a ring in GB.
I’ve never heard one bay area media member man up and admit they were DEAD WRONG on their Woodson opinions.
McFadden in Oakland Forever!!!!!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
ZBS
Power blocking
wc O
3-4
4-3
man
zone
CP3
Campbell
I don’t give a FK!
Just go and execute and win ball games!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The Pack employs a ZBS?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Huff cannot play corner.
Dudes hips are waaaaaay to stiff.
Keep him at FS and restructure his contract or kick rocks!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Deja vu
February 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
trade ROMAC for Huff’s hip replacement!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
CTConstruction Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
But let’s not go too far. Big Rich Seymour is a dominant force that offensive coordinators game plan for EVERY week. He definitely needs to restructure but that man is directly responsible for the culture change the past couple years. 8-8 isn’t anything to brag about but beats the hell out of 4-12.
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Did he help with the culture change? Unquestionably.
Was he once the kind of dominant player you described? Yes.
Is he now? NO. He can still rush the passer, but far too often can be handled in the running game by a single good blocker.
He’s now a part-time player, and should be paid as such, not $15 mil for this upcoming season.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Straight from the official Packers website:
“Campen made the transition from assistant offensive line coach smoothly, having worked extensively with Colledge, Spitz and Moll when all three were rookie draft choices in 2006. Alongside Joe Philbin, now the offensive coordinator, Campen helped teach the zone-blocking scheme to the youngsters and the veterans, who all relate well to him as a former player.”
http://www.packers.com/team/coaches/james-campen/240e2dfa-4773-434b-8aa0-e6b67c649639
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
988.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Hahahahahahahaha bcz is so lost he now compares a champion qb and a loser like palmer…while we are at it let’s compare monta vs kobe hahahahahahahahaha…see peyton’s wins and better yet comeback wins and PLAYOFF WINS…next one bcz my good friend
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No, dont get it twisted dude. I know Manning is a better QB than Palmer. I was just making a simple point. He said Peyton is better because he throws less interceptions. I proved that not to be true, and added the same extra dramatic flair you guys add just to add to my point.
The fact is, Palmer is a better QB than anyone available to us right now. You can hate on him all you want, but that doesn’t change anything.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC,
Huff was projected as a CB/ FS out of Texas. He was compared to Chris McAlister & C Woodson because of his size, speed, and hips.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
988.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Jason Campbell’s 4 victories:
WK1 = DMAC runs for 150 yards
WK3 = DMAC runs for 171 yards & 2 TD’s
WK5 = Al Davis just died. Defense goes ape ish and stuffs Arian Foster. 3 sacks & 2 INT’s on Schaub and a forced fumble. 4 FG’s by Seabass
WK6 = DMAC runs for 91 yards & 1 TD. Lechler fake punt pass to Boss for a TD. JC injured (only completed 6 passes)
Without Darren McFadden and an emotionally charged up Chuck B defense after Al’s passing?
Jason Campbell would have been 0-4 last year and ROG would be calling for his head
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My point exactly RR!!! JC does just enough to let the play makers around him win the game.
Palmer makes the better throws down the field but he throws his one or two or more INTs a game and he is 2-2 those same 4 games. Of course this can’t be proven but that is what instincts tell me. I don’t no man.
LOL!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
I will filter in other news like KK.
6 Colleges Cutting Tuition//Smart Money
Seton Hall Univ/ down $10,104
Duquesne Univ/ down $14335
was $28671
William Peace Univ/ down to $23,900 from $25,900
Lincoln College/ down $17480 from $23,000
Cabrini College/ down $29,000 from $33,000
February 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Peymour Bish, go ahead and jump on DMAC for repeating what I’ve been saying.
#d-bag
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DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Next slacker to be cut……………………
I say Seymour
February 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Who’s on you wish list to get cut next, because of their contract?
I’ll start w/ Seymour
February 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
There are forces working on earth…Palmer didn’t deserve dmac…raiders didn’t deserve to win after being shady….just like 01 and 02…justice will always be served
February 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Seymour
Huff
McClain
Kelly
Curry
Wimbley
(Routt was on this list too)
You are all paid like you we part of the 85 Bears or something, when in fact you have all been part of weak azz defenses the entire time you have been in Oakland.
That was 7 starters getting way overpaid, on a defense that blew. Now were are down to 6 starters….time for them to restructure or walk because if they have proven one thing in their time with the Raiders, it is that their contributions do not make the Raiders’ defense even AVERAGE!
Fk all of you! Restructure and let us bring in some real defensive players, or just get the fk out and go be lazy-overpaid bums on other teams.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
JC wouldn’t have won any more games without DMAC, Ford and Moore than Palmer did.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC,
Huff was projected as a CB/ FS out of Texas. He was compared to Chris McAlister & C Woodson because of his size, speed, and hips.
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O Dog
The key word is projected
restructure is contract and keep him at FS.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Huffs problem according to Sapp is his work ethic.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
CTConstruction Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
But let’s not go too far. Big Rich Seymour is a dominant force that offensive coordinators game plan for EVERY week. He definitely needs to restructure but that man is directly responsible for the culture change the past couple years. 8-8 isn’t anything to brag about but beats the hell out of 4-12.
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Did he help with the culture change? Unquestionably.
Was he once the kind of dominant player you described? Yes.
Is he now? NO. He can still rush the passer, but far too often can be handled in the running game by a single good blocker.
He’s now a part-time player, and should be paid as such, not $15 mil for this upcoming season.
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Raider Duck:
I will guarantee you that 32 NFL teams consider Seymour an every down player. Yes he’s long in the tooth and 100% has to restructure his contract. But don’t let that confuse you into thinking oakland would be hurt if he leaves.
CAN U SAY: NNAMDI ASOMUGHA!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Huffs problem according to Sapp is his work ethic.
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A little Jassizzurp syndrom?
Hmmmmm, interesting.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
1019.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC,
Huff was projected as a CB/ FS out of Texas. He was compared to Chris McAlister & C Woodson because of his size, speed, and hips.
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Everything I heard going into that draft was that Huff didn’t have the hips to play CB in the NFL. Nothing I have seen in the NFL tells me different. Huff is a waste of cap space. We can find all kinds of free safeties that rarely make plays, can’t tackle and can’t cover WRs for a much lower price.
Just another Al draft pick bust that he could not bring himself to let go.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
JFB,
do you think Joe Philbin will install a ZBS in Miami?
can Mike Sherman & Jim Turner handle that?
can Jake Long & Mike Pouncey make the transition?
will UFA’s Vernon Carey & Marc Colombo be retained?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
LOL Dell.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:31 am
JC wouldn’t have won any more games without DMAC, Ford and Moore than Palmer did.
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geez bra, more jc talk?
first off that is wild speculation on your part but it also untrue.
JC has already won games without all of the players that you named.
It is palmer that needs to prove that he can win without super stars, not jc
February 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
CJ…u notice JC gets docked for winning and Palmer gets praised for losing? Hahahhahahahahahaha see the contradiction and hypocritical nature of some?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:30 am
There are forces working on earth…Palmer didn’t deserve dmac…raiders didn’t deserve to win after being shady….just like 01 and 02…justice will always be served
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karma is a biatch
its the curse of the cracked collar bone
February 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 am
1019.Raider O Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 am
DMAC,
Huff was projected as a CB/ FS out of Texas. He was compared to Chris McAlister & C Woodson because of his size, speed, and hips.
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Everything I heard going into that draft was that Huff didn’t have the hips to play CB in the NFL. Nothing I have seen in the NFL tells me different. Huff is a waste of cap space. We can find all kinds of free safeties that rarely make plays, can’t tackle and can’t cover WRs for a much lower price.
Just another Al draft pick bust that he could not bring himself to let go.
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Thanks, Dakota and I totally AGREE!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
You really can’t compare the 2, just yet. (CP3-Campbell)
CP3 never took a snap w/ DMAC in the back field.
Hopefully we can judge him w/ a healthy DMAC this season.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Bcz, my friend, always enjoy ya but the air is better than Palmer at qb
February 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Poor McKenize gotta deal with AL’s leftover retarded contracts.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Like DMAC said. They key word is projected. I didn’t think he did too bad when he played CB for someone who played S the last 5-6 years. I think he can do better with more practice (if he improves his work ethic).
I still think he will be next player to be cut.
He is both with 8 million. We can do better resigning Branch and adding another S.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:38 am
New York Giants??
Run a ton of ZBS.
Good link:
http://drafttek.com/teamother2012.html
February 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
He is not worth…
February 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Sorry Mistic… not turning this into a JC argument with you. I have said 1000 times I appreciate what the man did for us, but his time here is done. Make sure you keep us all informed as to how he does on his next team.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Mistic…its funny how Jc gets zero credit for wins but in losses he gets creamed lol…Palmer quits and then ppl wanna give him a pass for not jumping into easy times with dmac when he never put in the work with dmac or the other guys…fk him
February 10th, 2012 at 10:41 am
979.bcz24 #979:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:08 am
Does Palmer is no Peyton my firend. Peyton does not throw as many INTs.
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Im gonna start playing this game too. You are a LIAR.
2009-2010 combined seasons Carson Palmer threw 33 INTs…
2009-2010 combined season Peyton Manning threw… wait for it….
33 INTS. Exactly the same amount.
You are a LIAR. Peyton Manning sucks because he throws Ints.
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BCZ, in the 2010 season Peyton Manning threw 33 TOUCHDOWNS, not INT’s. He did throw 17 INT’s = 33 TD’s / 17 INT’s.
C’mon dude, to compare CP to Manning…..you have to be joking.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:42 am
New York Giants??
Run a ton of ZBS.
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JFB,
makes you wonder why Kevin Boothe was pitched out the back door by Knapp & Cable then. Art Shell drafted him for the power running game to win one-on-one match ups
Must have been nice to get some O-Line coaches not named Slater & Eatman, eh?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I constantly see the comments about Campbell vs Palmer. P
lamer is a far better QB despite any stats or meaningless supporting crap that campbell is good? Campbell sucks, he had his best year of his career and his numbers were around 77 QB rating? wowwwwww who gives a sh&*
Palmer has been an all-pro in this league top 3 at his position few years back. Campbell could never dream of being a top 15 QB in this league, any credit he deserved was to jacoby ford in 2010 catching all his terribel throws against KC chiefs and Moore against the bills in 2011.
He cant even slide without fumblnig or hurting himself.
He is a mouth breather.
and his picks against the patriots you wouldnt find even using pop-warner bloopers on youtube.
Palmer will finish his career strong in OAK for 3 more years.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
BCZ, in the 2010 season Peyton Manning threw 33 TOUCHDOWNS, not INT’s. He did throw 17 INT’s = 33 TD’s / 17 INT’s.
C’mon dude, to compare CP to Manning…..you have to be joking.
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Try again my friend. I said in the 09-10 combined seasons. In 09 Manning threw 16 ints, 10 he threw 17. Go ahead, grab a calculator and do the math. Ill wait.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mistic…we got some on here that will argue about certain ppl can’t cry over the hand they were dealt in America and yet Palmer gets excuses…its sad becuz these two culprits today are republicans….hypocritical bs I say
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Man, if we can keep Campbell as a backup QB I would be very happy. I don’t see a ton of opportunities out there for him next year, an no one will make a long-term commitment to him as their starter.
And even though Campbell folds when he is challenged by another QB, maybe he can be the QB to at least put a little pressure on Palmer. Maybe Cambell could handle that….maybe.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
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Yeah, we all can dream together.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
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And you propose to get the necessary draft pick how???
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Paradise hahahahahahahahahahahPalmer will be out of nfl in 3 years…he sux
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Dell,
No thank you sir. We have Terelle Pryor.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I think Campbell will get a one year deal elsewhere to prove, if he can did it done.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
1051.Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
++++++++++++++
No thanks, only midget qb I want is Brees.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Injuries to ALL of your supporting playmakers is an ‘excuse’. But then you prop ‘Karma’ up as the real reason we were bad.
Seriously?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Go ahead, grab a calculator and do the math. Ill wait.
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LOL, it’s nice to see BCZ mixing it up with somebody besides me!
I think our differences resolved when he said McClain sucks, he’s over Hue Jackson and there was one time in his life when he cheered for JLH
February 10th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Jc should never be a backup to Palmer in Oakland…Jc better qb for this team and city
February 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RG III is going to be the next Matt STafford.
Great when healthy, but rarely healthy.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
palmer outplays rivers last game and you guys dont get it= D is culprit. Campbell cant carry palmers jock
February 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
After we cut/ restructure and free some cap space, we need to sign Mario Williams.
FA wish list:
1- Mario Williams
2- Best CB available: Carr or Finnegan
3- T Branch
4- V Jackson
Reece & Dez are RFA.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:49 am
B, I reversed my decision to trade Monta and no way JC is better than Palmer.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
BCz…..you play hand you are dealt…Palmer is a failure and won’t do didley in Oakland except collect huge undeserved checks
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
1051.Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
++++++++++++++
No thanks, only midget qb I want is Brees.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
OK Dakota, were does the midget line begin, at 6′0 or 5′11, i’ll let you answer this defining question for your future midget commments.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Man, if we can keep Campbell as a backup QB I would be very happy. I don’t see a ton of opportunities out there for him next year, an no one will make a long-term commitment to him as their starter.
And even though Campbell folds when he is challenged by another QB, maybe he can be the QB to at least put a little pressure on Palmer.
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co-signed with Dakota, but it depends on the price
2-year $6 million wouldn’t be bad. However, if he demands more money or a starting job tell him to kick rocks … we got Terrelle Pryor waiting in the wings
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
We don’t need Jackson O Dog
+ I think one more DUI will have this dude serving time
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Where is KK Munster, he a ladies man & a community man!
lmfao
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Mista for the Raiders in e011 he sure was….proof in the pudding…quitters never win schit….hey Randy Moss?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
ROG & Mistic starting to sound like Debo …
Poor Jason!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
quitters never win
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Chad Ochocinco & Gerard Warren almost won a Super Bowl!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Palmer’s jock=more turnovers than tds…..3 straight losses and team chaos and meltdown….yeah sure lol
February 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Man, if we can keep Campbell as a backup QB I would be very happy. I don’t see a ton of opportunities out there for him next year, an no one will make a long-term commitment to him as their starter.
And even though Campbell folds when he is challenged by another QB, maybe he can be the QB to at least put a little pressure on Palmer.
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co-signed with Dakota, but it depends on the price
2-year $6 million wouldn’t be bad. However, if he demands more money or a starting job tell him to kick rocks … we got Terrelle Pryor waiting in the wings
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Campbell’s moving on, probably as the third-place consolation prize to whichever team doesn’t get Manning or Flynn.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:48 am
RG III is going to be the next Matt STafford.
Great when healthy, but rarely healthy.
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JFB,
Usually you have some facts to back up your comment, please tell me when he was not healthy, oh by the way that torn ACL is a bad injury to come back with and did really well, and was out only this year at halftime due to a concussion.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
RRS…notice I said I want JC gone as well? So the poor jason thing doesn’t fly
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
1067.Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:50 am
Dakota Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 am
1051.Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:43 am
I WANT RG111 AS OUR QB NEXT YEAR,
WHO IS WITH ME!!!!!!!
++++++++++++++
No thanks, only midget qb I want is Brees.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
OK Dakota, were does the midget line begin, at 6′0 or 5′11, i’ll let you answer this defining question for your future midget commments.
The only midget QB to me was Pat Friggen Hayden…
February 10th, 2012 at 10:56 am
1077.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:55 am
RRS…notice I said I want JC gone as well? So the poor jason thing doesn’t fly
B, I’m gonna run with your hindsight…
Who so you see as our starter next year?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Bcz24, #1049
Bcz,
In 9 seasons Palmer threw 167 TD’s / 116 INT’s.
In 13 seasons Manning threw 399 TD’s / 198 INT’s.
CP therefore had a TD/INT ratio of 69%, while Manning has a TD/INT ratio of 49%.
Clearly, Manning has a substantially better TD to INT ratio than Palmer. Clearly Manning has won numerous AFC Championships and a Superbowl while Palmer has not.
TD to INT ratio is just one stat which is not definitive in the face of numerous analytical elements which determine a QB’s standing.
I am not a fan of Manning nor of CP; it’s just hard for me to believe that CP compares to Manning.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Campbell’s moving on, probably as the third-place consolation prize to whichever team doesn’t get Manning or Flynn.
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@Duck
do you have a list of the upcoming FA QB’s?
I’m pretty sure Kyle Orton is on that list as well as one of the Miami QB’s (Moore or Henne)
If Peyton Manning gets chopped and decides to continue his NFL career, I’m not sure JCamp is even a Top 5 free agent QB in a weak free agent QB class
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Frankly speaking, I think Terrel Pryor should be give top priority in the off and pre seasons to gauge his potential. We might really have something with him.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
ROG & Mistic starting to sound like Debo …
Poor Jason!
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It’s not like it was some fluke injury.
People can cry about Jason all they want, he took himself off the team when he refused to slide right for the umpteenth time.
Jason only has himself to blame.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Campbell’s moving on, probably as the third-place consolation prize to whichever team doesn’t get Manning or Flynn.
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@Duck
do you have a list of the upcoming FA QB’s?
I’m pretty sure Kyle Orton is on that list as well as one of the Miami QB’s (Moore or Henne)
If Peyton Manning gets chopped and decides to continue his NFL career, I’m not sure JCamp is even a Top 5 free agent QB in a weak free agent QB class
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I’d take Campbell over any of those three guys you mentioned (Orton, Moore or Henne). Wouldn’t mind either of those three as Palmer’s backup, though.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Its funny that when certain topics come up in here about fair and unfair or a group of ppl have a disadvantage in this country we hear STOP WITH EXCUSES
February 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I want JC gone as well
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ROG,
so we rollin’ with Pryor, then?
trade players or future picks to get a QB in RD1?
free agent QB you wanna pursue thats better than both Palmer & Campbell?
February 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
The only midget QB to me was Pat Friggen Hayden…
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Fran Tarkenton was a midget as was Doug Flutie!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I am not a fan of Manning nor of CP; it’s just hard for me to believe that CP compares to Manning.
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He doesn’t and I don’t think bcz was trying to say that.
The argument is that CP throws too many INTs but he threw the same number of INTs over a two year span that Manning did. That’s all.
Drew Brees led the league in INTs in 2010 and then came back for a record breaking season in 2011.
Palmer is not beyond improvement.
And everybody on Reggie’s nuts should be on Palmer’s too based on reggies ringing endorsement.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:02 am
1087.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:00 am
The only midget QB to me was Pat Friggen Hayden…
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Fran Tarkenton was a midget as was Doug Flutie!!!
Sorry, I didn’t know Tarkenton was short….forgot about Flutie Flaks!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Ya know stop talking about slavery or past brutality and schit like that…which I agree on….but when it comes to Carson we throw all of that out the window and give him every excuse….you guys need to look in the mirror and be honest with yourselves…..good day
February 10th, 2012 at 11:04 am
JC was having a great year before he got hurt. Actually one of his best. He was on the up and up kind of like the raiders. JC is a much better WCO QB. Some of have been overrattng palmer way too much. 16 INTs in how many games? He had 2 decent years in cinci with an ocho in his prime along with some other decent WRs
February 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
JC was having a great year! The only time I was like WTF with him this year is the wide open TD pass, ummm, I mean int to Patrick Chung in the endzone I sit at! Then I found out that DHB fell and JC threw it to the spot…well, whatevers, but other than the non slide where he got hurt, he did a good job managing the game for us!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Oh, and that int to Wilfork…it was a bad day for him!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:08 am
LA to TheBay, # 1088,
Yeah I get it LA. Believe it or not I don’t urge dismissing CP at this point. He may be able to get us into the playoffs depending if we shore up our O-line, and revamp our defense performs.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:10 am
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Sorry Mistic… not turning this into a JC argument with you. I have said 1000 times I appreciate what the man did for us, but his time here is done. Make sure you keep us all informed as to how he does on his next team.
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no worries bra, but i cant let you say “jc wouldnt have won anymore games without ford moore and dmac than palmer”
He already won without all of them.
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Paradise hahahahahahahahahahahPalmer will be out of nfl in 3 years…he sux
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Glad you can read, he has 3 years left, thats what i said. and they will be very good years with playoff runs.
anyone that doesnt support palmer your wasting your time as a fan.
Thats our franchise QB and he doenst have sleep anea or purple drink habits, he studys film, is a respected leader in locker room and ran a no huddle offense effectively in 2 weeks of being on team. havent seen that since gannon.
he has great weapons in reece, moore, boss, ford, DHB, mcfadden and a growing o-line and maybe next year he might finally have a defense.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh your mouth and wake up.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am
JC was having a great year before he got hurt. Actually one of his best
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Great… for him. As a game manager QB, we could win a SB with an elite D. We didn’t/don’t have an elite D.
Reggie and Allen may be sitting down right now saying that we can have a dominant run game with a game manager Qb in Campbell, so we’ll resign him and deal CP for whatever we can get.
My guess is that we keep CP and he limits his turnovers based on:
-more familiarity with his teammates
-an offseason complete with OTAs and training camp
-new system which calls for more timing and less time standing in the pocket
If keen football minds like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen want to stick with CP and have given him an endorsement, I would think semi pro and amatuer bloggers would defer.
The story will be told soon enough.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
but i get it method to my madness.
you always think your right.
I bet you want to pay Tonga 40 million, your favorite player that is better than reece right?
laughable.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
As Reggie steps up to the plate the Coliseum crowd is buzzing.
All know he is up there swinging for the fences.
He might not connect for a home run with every swing of the axe but is going for it.
Here comes the delivery…thwack…its a long dive, way back, gone
That was Routt’s head landing in the bleachers with the crowd chanting “Reggie! Reggie!”
His next time through the order may prove to be just as memeorable.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am
LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:58 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:51 am
ROG & Mistic starting to sound like Debo …
Poor Jason!
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It’s not like it was some fluke injury.
People can cry about Jason all they want, he took himself off the team when he refused to slide right for the umpteenth time.
Jason only has himself to blame.
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never have i said “poor jason”
Jc is a class act, he heard the critisim from guy like you L.A, and others for sliding in tenn early in the game, and figured blue collar raider fans didnt like it.
In an effort to earn the respect of teammates and the fan base he stopped sliding and now you want to bash him for that too.
Bottom line is you and others never wanted him and would never be pleased with anything he does.
Even if its leading us to first place, coming form behind to win, undefeated in the division, unselfishly leading the team and going 12-7 in his starts.
What a joke
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
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Pot, meet kettle.
Kettle — pot.
After games like MIA and GB with CP compared to games like NE, PIT, MIA, TN, etc. with, there isn’t much of an argument here.
If anything, it’s a wash.
And in the games CP was being blown out, no deer in the headlights look and didn’t get pulled for “Garbagekowski.” Actually got some garbage time TDs in and was able to move the ball, unlike his predecessor.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:17 am
with routt gone, you know Huff is pissing his pants too.
Branch will get a nice contract and Huff isnt even in Branchs league when it comes to talent and play.
Huff might get booted too.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:18 am
In an effort to earn the respect of teammates and the fan base he stopped sliding and now you want to bash him for that too.
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No, I just wanted him to slide RIGHT.
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Bottom line is you and others never wanted him and would never be pleased with anything he does.
Even if its leading us to first place, coming form behind to win, undefeated in the division, unselfishly leading the team and going 12-7 in his starts.
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Also untrue. I was talking up JC big time going into and during that NE game. I was telling my buddy, look at his eyes, he’s moving defenders around, making smart decisions, being efficient and then…. well, back to what JC always had been.
And please stop giving him the W for Cleveland. W goes to Shane Lechler, LOL.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am
After games like MIA and GB with CP compared to games like NE, PIT, MIA, TN, etc. with JC****
February 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am
Huff might get booted too.
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I would have predicted that way before Routt.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Good work ReggieMac. I’ve said it many times, with the new rule changes it is simply not worth it to invest heavily in the CB position. The refs call ticky tack fouls now like touching the WR (recall the A Curry clean tackle on the TE in the minnsota game). It is simply better to invest in other areas today. If pats can make it to the playoffs consistenly using a make-shift secondary of players(recall the WR converted to secondary)–then we should do it.
Sad to see anyone lose his job tho, but he probably made more money then I will in my entire life anyway.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Yeah I don’t care about Huff or Routt, they been there both a while and Huffs 2010 season was a fluke.
Huff is a loyal raider, he likes the organization and has defended it many times. but his play is just never great, he drops to his knees before he tackles or wraps up, its awful to watch.
Hiram Eugene will be in camp, kid can cover some ground in passing game, but that stiff arm still comes up lol we all know which one.
Giordano has experience with Allen so he will stay.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Chimdi Chekwa looked very promising.
So did Sterling Moore tho !!!!! sucks … i thought his pre-season and camp was amazing from all reviews, except Hue, Hue loved Lito Shepard and his terrible old slow useless self.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Giordano has experience with Allen so he will stay.
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He’d have to if he is to accept his Super Bowl 47 MVP Caddy.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am
701.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:50 am
Dirt Lot,
it didn’t take McKenzie, Allen & Tarver long to figure out Stan Routt wasn’t in our plans for the future.
Dennis & Jason are both former DB’s.
DA is actually a Super Bowl champion DB Coach.
I mean, we don’t even have a DB’s Coach hired to evaluate Stan Routt to see if he’s “fixable”
When your secondary gives up 60 TD’s in 2 years, I’d say wholesale changes are required.
YOU PEOPLE love to blame Chuck B, but in reality at least half of the blame falls on the players for not executing. For every head scratcher defensive play call Chuck made, there were about 6 head scratcher offensive play calls Hue made …
^^^^^^^^
Please don’t make excuses or pity Chuck Bresnahan.
He was terrible!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am
raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
but i get it method to my madness.
you always think your right.
I bet you want to pay Tonga 40 million, your favorite player that is better than reece right?
laughable.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So your comment #1096 and the one above, tells me we can’t be a favorite or dislike any Raider you think is best fit for the team, or are you the all knowing answer to all players in this blog.
This blog has views of all different players and likes and dislikes, if Method has no love for Palmer, then so let him ride with that thought and he is not asking any of us to join him, just stating his opinion, like you did in your comment.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
I saw a lot of Chimdi at OSU. Hard worker, team leader, fast, tough.
He’ll be good for us, I think.
Probably DVD too but I think we still need to add a solid vet.
Finnegan’s name gets tossed around a lot. That would be nice… gotta wonder what kind of pricetag a good corner like that will bring and if it’s anything approaching Routt’s, gotta wonder why did we release Routt to begin with?
February 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Seymour, Kelly, Wimbley, Palmer, and Huff should all take pay cuts or catch a ride with Routt.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Dell, right on brah!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Not sold on Finnegan…he’ll probably get the penalties like Routt did!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:28 am
For every head scratcher defensive play call Chuck made, there were about 6 head scratcher offensive play calls Hue made …
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Disagree in that I don’t think Hue asked anyone on offense to do what they weren’t capable of doing.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
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Pot, meet kettle.
Kettle — pot.
After games like MIA and GB with CP compared to games like NE, PIT, MIA, TN, etc. with, there isn’t much of an argument here.
If anything, it’s a wash.
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LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:19 am
After games like MIA and GB with CP compared to games like NE, PIT, MIA, TN, etc. with JC****
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False, keep your favorite but tell the truth, you dont have to lie to kick it and you cant convince me of any upgrade theory, the game film and numbers debunk your case.
This is a wash?
jc 12-7 10 int
cp 6-13 30 INTS 8 RETURNED FOR TDS?!?!?
Why bother comparing jc’s off games to palmers off games it still exposes your take as total garbage.
Jc has never thrown 3 picks in a game in silver and black…never
PALMER DID IT SEVERAL TIMES AND 4 PICKS IN ONE OF THOSE!!
Its fine if you like palmer better for what ever reason, its your right. Your take that he played better than jc here doesnt fly
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@LA To TheBay
Chimdi looks to be a solid starter. DVD will be solid too after a heavy dose of strength training. His cover skills are good but he’s just too soft right now to deal with the physical receivers in the NFL.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 am
raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:13 am
but i get it method to my madness.
you always think your right.
I bet you want to pay Tonga 40 million, your favorite player that is better than reece right?
laughable.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
So your comment #1096 and the one above, tells me we can’t be a favorite or dislike any Raider you think is best fit for the team, or are you the all knowing answer to all players in this blog.
This blog has views of all different players and likes and dislikes, if Method has no love for Palmer, then so let him ride with that thought and he is not asking any of us to join him, just stating his opinion, like you did in your comment.
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I am a fan of the great Gio!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
1096.raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Paradise hahahahahahahahahahahPalmer will be out of nfl in 3 years…he sux
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Glad you can read, he has 3 years left, thats what i said. and they will be very good years with playoff runs.
anyone that doesnt support palmer your wasting your time as a fan.
Thats our franchise QB and he doenst have sleep anea or purple drink habits, he studys film, is a respected leader in locker room and ran a no huddle offense effectively in 2 weeks of being on team. havent seen that since gannon.
he has great weapons in reece, moore, boss, ford, DHB, mcfadden and a growing o-line and maybe next year he might finally have a defense.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh your mouth and wake up.
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Great post.
It’s funny that people in here love to rip any QB we have. No matter the credentials or lack of credentials.
There are some in here that are still stupid and rip Rich Gannon. All he did was help lead this team back respectability in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and win an NFL MVP Award for it.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am
#111.
Ok, I want JaMarcus Russell back at QB.
He still can develop, it was Al’s fault.
Is that ok Raider Dell?
Get my point?
Some rational thought must go into opinions or else you just formulate crap in the blogs. Palmer has the support of the whole coaching staff, the new one I might add and including our new GM.
To say Palmer “sux” is not an opinion, its someone being a douche.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Let me ask the idiots who are hating on Palmer this.
Who is going to play QB for the Raiders if they cut him?
Anyone better? Didn’t think so.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
THERE WILL BE A TRUE STUNNER/SHOCKER MOVE ON OR JUST B4 DRAFT DAY 1.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am
1096.raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Paradise hahahahahahahahahahahPalmer will be out of nfl in 3 years…he sux
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Glad you can read, he has 3 years left, thats what i said. and they will be very good years with playoff runs.
anyone that doesnt support palmer your wasting your time as a fan.
Thats our franchise QB and he doenst have sleep anea or purple drink habits, he studys film, is a respected leader in locker room and ran a no huddle offense effectively in 2 weeks of being on team. havent seen that since gannon.
he has great weapons in reece, moore, boss, ford, DHB, mcfadden and a growing o-line and maybe next year he might finally have a defense.
shhhhhhhhhhhhhh your mouth and wake up.
^^^^^^^^^
Great post.
It’s funny that people in here love to rip any QB we have. No matter the credentials or lack of credentials.
There are some in here that are still stupid and rip Rich Gannon. All he did was help lead this team back respectability in the late 90’s and early 2000’s and win an NFL MVP Award for it.
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This guy is great.
Ha Ha. Glad to see someone with a great consciousness.
Yeah I think Gannon should be around the facility with Palmer. Gannon never had excuses, he worked so hard for his teamates to be prepared and make plays.
Palmer wants to win a ring, he wants to supplant his dramas in cincy. Palmer has my full support in the new rigeme I think he will shine. The AFC is not good at all. Exception Patriots and Houston when they have Schaub. That being said, oakland is not far from being a top AFC team in just one off-season. Palmer knows this and he has a window fo oppurtunity.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
JC is a mentally fragile dude, Mistic.
Pulled for “Garbagekowski” twice and will likely not be retained by the new, presumably more intelligent regime.
They came in here with a clean slate and have already released a guy that was rather unexpected to be released.
JC was 11-7 with us and did some good things.
CP was 4-5 and did some good things. There is obviously room for improvement.
But CP in his second game as a Raider with no offseason came in and threw for 300, 3TD 3INT and made some beauties that few QBs can make in the NFL.
JC’s second game as a Raider, he is pulled at halftime after not being able to move the ball at all and replaced with “Garbagekowski” who proceeded to win the game with DHB as the leading WR (at a time where nobody ever thought it possible for DHB to do so). Full offseason.
That tells me a lot.
CP was brought in for two reasons:
1) Salvage season and give us a shot at playoffs… which he did. He was GREAT when it counted in season finale (and also v. Detroit). D blew it.
2) Be the long term answer for us at QB.
None of know how #2 will go yet.
I’m going to sit back and watch. I think most of CP’s doubters will be pleasantly surprised (or disappear like a few did during the 3 game win streak).
February 10th, 2012 at 11:39 am
TO BE 100% HONEST. RICH GANNON WAS THE BEST TRUE QB TO EVER PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS.
If you really evealuate it, nobody was better than him.
and don’t try to tell me plunkett or stabler. lol thats impossible.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:46 am
no worries bra, but i cant let you say “jc wouldnt have won anymore games without ford moore and dmac than palmer”
He already won without all of them.
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
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Make stuff up? Jason Campbell won exactly ZERO games in Oakland without DMac or JFord in the line up.
The first SD game in 2010, Ford wasn’t starting at receiver yet, but he did play and assist in the return game. I will give you that one. One game.
Thats it. Dont tell me Jason Campbell won games without his best weapons. He didn’t. Its a fact.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:47 am
And really, make no mistake, the first SD game in ‘10 was won because of the the punt blocks and turnover returned for a TD at the end, NOT because of anythink Campbell did.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 a
Why bother comparing jc’s off games to palmers off games it still exposes your take as total garbage.
Jc has never thrown 3 picks in a game in silver and black…never
PALMER DID IT SEVERAL TIMES AND 4 PICKS IN ONE OF THOSE!!
Its fine if you like palmer better for what ever reason, its your right. Your take that he played better than jc here doesnt fly
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Of course JC never threw 3, or even 4 picks.
He was the dumpoff king.
Guys would be wide open down field, and at the first sign of a rush, dumpoff. Dumpoff. Dumpoff.
No, you don’t want picks trying to make a play, but no team wants the Dumpoff King.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
None of soups strenghts really fit the wc O.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Palmer needs a coach to tell him he’s bunk, ride him all yr, and get him to manage games.. Aleen needs to go Parcells all over his gunslinger ego and turn him into a great wc qb.. The talent is there
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
1013.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The Pack employs a ZBS?
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They sure do and not a very good one at that. Then again, maybe it’s because they don’t have a dynamic ZBS RB like the Texans do.
The Packers need to get a true good ZBS RB and get their running game going next year to balance out their offense a bit. If they do that, they will back in the Super Bowl next year, plus their defense needs to get back to where it was 2 years ago.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
*cRiCkEtS*
February 10th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Len Pasquarelli of the Sports XChange confirms that keeping free agent SS Tyvon Branch remains a “priority” for new Raiders management.
Pasquarelli suggests Branch may even get the franchise tag, which would cost the Raiders a reasonable $6 million, if no long-term accord can be reached. The club’s ideal scenario would be to extend Branch long term and place the tag on free agent Michael Bush. Per Pasquarelli, Branch “comes very highly recommended by people (Raiders GM Reggie) McKenzie trusts.”
February 10th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
OC Greg Knapp is expected to install a zone-blocking scheme in Oakland!
Darren McFadden never flourished under Tom Cable’s ZBS…?
I see us seeking a high 1st-early 2nd…if no one bites, we end up keeping him!
And bye bye Bush!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
997.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:17 am
983.Bo Schembechler Jackson Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Dakota,
Who is the SECOND BEST QB ever from Pedo State…er I mean notre dame?
Crickets…
good Question! Can’t be Brady Quinn, can it?
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Assuming you’re saying Montana is the best, maybe Daryle Lamonica would be a candidate for #2.
Some of you may remember him.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:50 pm
Ah, shucks…Stanford’s leaving! Oh, what a major bummer! How am I ever going to get some sleep tonight? Maybe counting all those memories and visions of blown coverages, missed tackles and stupid penalties (like people count sheep!) will help. Oh I’m sure of it!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:45 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 9th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Al knew his days were numbered…he never gave up that fight to win one more Championship, though…over-spending be damned! Too bad his wildest dreams didn’t materialize for us.
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You’re being too kind. He got played til the bitter end.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:26 am
Restructure no ones contract period. Maybe Spuds will get it right or to the bottom of the division we go. Cut every swinging no load player who keeps us in penalties killing the momentium of the drive. Get rid of Palmer no restructure or anything! Coming after Seymour, DHB, and the fake walking test dummies after a paycheck! Enough of this if this team does not make the playoff for the upcoming season fire Spuds McKenzie!
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