Get ready for the myth of the salary cap
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Friday, February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 am in Oakland Raiders.
There have already been some references nationally to the Raiders’ release of Stanford Routt and how it relates to the salary cap.
It doesn’t.
The whole term “cap-related” is a myth, as Tim Brown once explained to me years ago.
It’s never the productive player that gets released. It is the one the club deems to be overpaid, with the player determining he’d rather move on and cash a check somewhere else rather than take a salary the team feels is more in line with his contribution.
We’ve been hearing for years about all the damage the Raiders have been doing to their financial structure in terms of the salary cap, yet through it all, it never stopped Al Davis from spending as much money as he saw fit to bring in players.
The problem was never the cap, it was the players he selected and the sometimes inflated salaries he paid them.
Routt’s release had to do with general manager Reggie McKenzie thinking the compensation was, as he put it on Jan. 30, “out of whack.”
We’ll find out soon what other salaries are out of whack, and with the end result of players being whacked from the roster.
The two highest paid players in terms of salary are Carson Palmer ($12.5 million) and outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million). McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen both spoke glowingly of Palmer on Jan. 30. Hard to see him going anywhere, especially with Cincinnati selecting at No. 17 as a result, with second-round pick likely coming next season.
Wimbley had seven sacks after posting nine in 2010, but four of those came in a single monster game in a 24-17 win over the Chargers in San Diego. He was among the NFL leaders in pressures according to some stat-keeping services.
Linebacker Aaron Curry, acquired by trade, has a $5.7 million salary the Raiders surely never intended to pay next season. It will be up to McKenzie and Allen to make an offer to bring him back.
As for Michael Huff (due $8 million this season in roster bonus and salary), Tommy Kelly ($6 million in salary) and Richard Seymour ($15 million, half of it guaranteed), only McKenzie and Allen know for sure.
If the Raiders make moves with any of these players, it will have everything to do with production and little or nothing to do with the salary cap.
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February 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Yeeeeah!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:31 am
Great fk’n work Jerry!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Cut Seymour first ask questions later.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
I loved that myth too…cap casualty…lol
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Jerry Mac spits hot truth.
Reggie Mac doin’ work.
Great times in the Nation!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Linebacker Aaron Curry, acquired by trade, has a $5.7 million salary the Raiders surely never intended to pay next season.
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Hate to see him leave, but AC is def. next to be cut.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
6.DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Linebacker Aaron Curry, acquired by trade, has a $5.7 million salary the Raiders surely never intended to pay next season.
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Hate to see him leave, but AC is def. next to be cut.
Nah, I think he will restructure…seems like he was loving it when he got out of Seattle!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
DKnight007 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Let me ask the idiots who are hating on Palmer this.
Who is going to play QB for the Raiders if they cut him?
Anyone better? Didn’t think so.
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who is hating on palmer?
February 10th, 2012 at 11:36 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:35 am
6.DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Linebacker Aaron Curry, acquired by trade, has a $5.7 million salary the Raiders surely never intended to pay next season.
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Hate to see him leave, but AC is def. next to be cut.
Nah, I think he will restructure…seems like he was loving it when he got out of Seattle!
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Another clue as to what scheme we’ll be running: With Wimbley on the other side, Curry doesn’t really fit a 4-3. As a 3-4 inside ‘backer though, he may fit.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reggie is going to hitch his wagon to a team of players, not a team of names.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:40 am
RaiderDomination Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 am
@LA To TheBay
Chimdi looks to be a solid starter. DVD will be solid too after a heavy dose of strength training. His cover skills are good but he’s just too soft right now to deal with the physical receivers in the NFL.
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agree.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Repost:
LA to TheBay Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
JC is a mentally fragile dude, Mistic.
Pulled for “Garbagekowski” twice and will likely not be retained by the new, presumably more intelligent regime.
They came in here with a clean slate and have already released a guy that was rather unexpected to be released.
JC was 11-7 with us and did some good things.
CP was 4-5 and did some good things. There is obviously room for improvement.
But CP in his second game as a Raider with no offseason came in and threw for 300, 3TD 3INT and made some beauties that few QBs can make in the NFL.
JC’s second game as a Raider, he is pulled at halftime after not being able to move the ball at all and replaced with “Garbagekowski” who proceeded to win the game with DHB as the leading WR (at a time where nobody ever thought it possible for DHB to do so). Full offseason.
That tells me a lot.
CP was brought in for two reasons:
1) Salvage season and give us a shot at playoffs… which he did. He was GREAT when it counted in season finale (and also v. Detroit). D blew it.
2) Be the long term answer for us at QB.
None of know how #2 will go yet.
I’m going to sit back and watch. I think most of CP’s doubters will be pleasantly surprised (or disappear like a few did during the 3 game win streak).
February 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
TO BE 100% HONEST. RICH GANNON WAS THE BEST TRUE QB TO EVER PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS.
If you really evealuate it, nobody was better than him.
and don’t try to tell me plunkett or stabler. lol thats impossible.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Plunkett & Stabler won super bowls you mental retard. Putting Gannon in their class is ignorant.
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raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
TO BE 100% HONEST. RICH GANNON WAS THE BEST TRUE QB TO EVER PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
1 Ken Stabler 2,481 1,486 59.9 19,078 150 143
2 Rich Gannon 2,448 1,533 62.6 17,585 114 50
3 Daryle Lamonica 2,248 1,138 50.6 16,655 148 115
4 Jim Plunkett 1,697 960 56.6 12,665 80 81
Stabler had 150 td to 143 picks. ouch!
Gannon 114 td to 50 picks. amazing.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I said True QB.
Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring.
who is a mental retard now?
Learn how to read peoples comment for the context before you formalate a cheap response.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Jerry Mac breaking it down for the goons that think this move was purely cap related.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Paradise we are playing for a super bowl. If you want to stroke yourself to stats go ahead.
Meathead
February 10th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Hiram “stiff armed” Eugene’s base salary
2012 2,500,000
2013 2,750,000
2014 3,250,000
Seems like a pretty good amount of change for a back-up safety, if you asked me.
See ya!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
A true Qb wins a SB when he has the chance. You are a mental retard, still. Stats make a “true Qb” ? GTFO with that ignorance.
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raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I said True QB.
Trent Dilfer has a superbowl ring.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Paradise we are playing for a super bowl. If you want to stroke yourself to stats go ahead.
Meathead
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After this repsonse I can tell you sincerely have no clue about what I said. Best True QB to ever play in raider uniform. that would mean: best at the position.
would you like me to break that down for you?
Would be like if Chad Henne won a ring in Miami, you would say Henne is better than Marino?
Dumb a$$
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
L.A
you can have your favorite. You are looking at it with wide eyed emotion, thats fine.
The way i view it palmer cant be considered an upgrade until he proves it on the field. 30 picks in his last 19 starts 3 times as many as the guy he replaced!!!!
It is very simple math
February 10th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:49 am
L.A
you can have your favorite. You are looking at it with wide eyed emotion, thats fine.
The way i view it palmer cant be considered an upgrade until he proves it on the field. 30 picks in his last 19 starts 3 times as many as the guy he replaced!!!!
It is very simple math
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Based on throws I see being made on the field and that’s it.
Wide eyed emotion?
Is that like deer in the headlights?
February 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am
no worries bra, but i cant let you say “jc wouldnt have won anymore games without ford moore and dmac than palmer”
He already won without all of them.
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
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Make stuff up? Jason Campbell won exactly ZERO games in Oakland without DMac or JFord in the line up.
The first SD game in 2010, Ford wasn’t starting at receiver yet, but he did play and assist in the return game. I will give you that one. One game. And really, make no mistake, this game was won because of the the punt blocks and turnover returned for a TD at the end, NOT because of anythink Campbell did.
Thats it. Dont tell me Jason Campbell won games without his best weapons. He didn’t. Its a fact.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I didn’t even realize Hiram Eugene was on this team anymore. LMAO. Yeah, He’s gotta go.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Get rid of Huff, he can not tackle and gets burned a lot too. Get rid of Seymour, Kelly, Michell, Boyd, Groves. H Eugene gets run over can’t tackle either. If we can get a couple of CBs in free agency unload DVD as well. All of the above are under achievers and not worth fans paying hard earned money to see all these under achievers not perform to try and win.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am
seems like Mista Brown gave up.
nobody gives a flyin fuk about plunkett and stabler as QB’s. they got rings, they are champions. but they played on teams that won rings. Just like Trent Dilfer. big difference.
thats why plunkett will never be in the HOF.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Raiderinparadise,
For know on I will “carefully” read the context of your comments and with the others in this blog I will read them as I always do.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am
GANNON NOT CLOSE TO HOF MATERIAL
February 10th, 2012 at 11:58 am
Raider Dell
lmao
February 10th, 2012 at 11:58 am
For all those down on CP, perhaps he had so many picks because he was trying to force himself to win for the lousy defense kept him behind in games. Will give him benefit of doubt with a better defense and then see what he does.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Michael Huff
Base Salary Hit S. Bonus Misc. Bonus Cap
2011 685,000 1,828,750 - 2,513,750
2012 4,000,000 1,828,750 - 5,828,750
2013 4,000,000 1,828,750 - 5,828,750
2014 4,000,000 1,828,750 - 5,828,750
Watch out Huffy!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Afternoon DMAC
February 10th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:57 am
GANNON NOT CLOSE TO HOF MATERIAL
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of course he isn’t be he is the best true QB to ever wear the silver and black.
He was top 2 QB in the league for 3 years.
League MVP.
ALmost broke passing yards in a season record when it only got broken just this year.
nto to forget he was rushing for more yards that donovan mcnabb when mcnabb was a young legs and gannon was 34 yrs old.
and gannons WR’s were all 40
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Eugene was very good on special teams. To be honest, after his injury I doubt he comes back to football, but if he does it will be for vet minimum, and he wont have any problem with that, because no one will offer him anything above that.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
> raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
1 Ken Stabler 2,481 1,486 59.9 19,078 150 143
2 Rich Gannon 2,448 1,533 62.6 17,585 114 50
3 Daryle Lamonica 2,248 1,138 50.6 16,655 148 115
4 Jim Plunkett 1,697 960 56.6 12,665 80 81
Stabler had 150 td to 143 picks. ouch!
Gannon 114 td to 50 picks. amazing.
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That’s apples to rutabagas. Completely different eras of offense in the NFL.
Gannon was excellent in a dink and dunk WCO variant that relied on quick decision making, spread offenses to expose defensive holes, and letting the WR do most of the work after the catch.
Stabler played in the prototypical Al Davis fashion of run hard and then throw deep. The types of throws were by definition high risk, high reward. If you want one stat that illustrates that, look at the per attempt stats to see the payoff:
Stabler – 7.69 yds/att, 0.060 TD/att
Gannon – 7.18 yds/att, 0.047 TD/att
Stabler was ultimately more effective at what matters each time he threw the ball: gaining yards and scoring points.
One difference that in my opinion separates them is that Stabler would have done very well in Gannon’s system. He had the smarts, the reads and enough mobility (even after his knees disintegrated on him) to make that work. I don’t think that Gannon would have done well in Stabler’s system though, which is somewhat proven by his journeyman failed starter status on several other teams until he was matched with a system made for his skills.
That said, as a long time Raiders diehard, I watched and loved ‘em both. But in the end, Stabler is in my mind a HOFers and Gannon is not.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
players that need to be cut …
Boller, Kyle QB 6-3 220 30 8 California $1,250,000
3 Bomar, Rhett QB 6-2 225 26 2 Sam Houston State N/A
8 Campbell, Jason QB 6-5 230 30 7 Auburn $4,500,000
3 Palmer, Carson QB 6-5 235 32 9 USC $11,500,000
6 Pryor, Terrelle QB 6-6 233 22 R Ohio State N/A
Running Backs
Running Backs No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
29 Bush, Michael RB 6-1 245 27 4 Louisville $2,610,000
25 Cartwright, Rock SPTM/RB 5-8 215 32 10 Kansas State $800,000
38 Jackson, Rashawn RB 6-1 239 25 1 Virginia N/A
22 Jones, Taiwan RB/KR 6-0 195 23 R Eastern Washington N/A
20 McFadden, Darren RB 6-2 210 24 4 Arkansas $7,055,000
36 Miller, Lonyae RB 6-0 232 23 1 Fresno State N/A
45 Reece, Marcel FB 6-3 240 26 3 Washington N/A
41 Tonga, Manase FB 5-11 245 27 1 Brigham Young N/A
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
86 Ausberry, David SPTM/TE 6-4 245 24 R USC N/A
87 Boss, Kevin TE 6-6 255 28 5 Western Oregon N/A
12 Ford, Jacoby KR/WR 5-9 185 24 2 Clemson $405,000
82 Gordon, Richard TE 6-4 265 24 R Miami (FL) N/A
85 Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR 6-2 210 24 3 Maryland $1,000,000
84 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR 6-2 203 34 11 Oregon State $910,000
14 Jones, Derrick WR 6-1 176 26 R California (PA) N/A
16 McGee, Eddie WR 6-4 210 24 R Illinois N/A
17 Moore, Denarius PR/WR 6-0 195 23 R Tennessee $375,000
18 Murphy, Louis WR 6-2 200 24 3 Florida $480,000
83 Myers, Brandon TE 6-4 250 26 3 Iowa $480,000
81 Schilens, Chaz WR 6-4 225 26 4 San Diego State $555,000
Offensive Line
Offensive Line No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
72 Barksdale, Joseph ROT 6-4 325 23 R LSU N/A
69 Barnes, Khalif ROT 6-5 325 29 7 Washington N/A
74 Campbell, Bruce LOG 6-6 315 23 2 Maryland $405,000
66 Carlisle, Cooper ROG 6-5 295 34 12 Florida $2,500,000
75 Heyer, Stephon LOT 6-6 330 28 5 Maryland $1,700,000
64 Satele, Samson C 6-3 300 27 5 Hawaii N/A
68 Veldheer, Jared LOT 6-8 315 24 2 Hillsdale $405,000
61 Wisniewski, Stefen LOG 6-3 315 22 R Penn State N/A
Defensive Line
Defensive Line No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
95 Brodine, Mason LDE 6-7 255 23 R Nebraska-Kearney N/A
90 Bryant, Desmond RDE 6-5 290 26 3 Harvard N/A
73 Cumbie, Jamie DT 6-7 290 23 R Clemson N/A
72 Davis, Hall DE 6-6 265 24 1 Louisiana-Lafayette N/A
79 Henderson, John RDT 6-7 335 33 10 Tennessee $2,500,000
99 Houston, Lamarr LDE 6-3 305 24 2 Texas $405,000
97 Ivey, Travis DT 6-4 325 25 1 Maryland N/A
93 Kelly, Tommy RDT 6-6 300 31 8 Mississippi State $5,500,000
94 Moss, Jarvis RDE 6-7 260 27 5 Florida $1,250,000
91 Scott, Trevor LDE 6-5 255 27 4 Buffalo $555,000
92 Seymour, Richard LDT 6-6 310 32 11 Georgia $15,000,000
77 Shaughnessy, Matt DE 6-5 270 25 3 Wisconsin $480,000
Linebackers
Linebackers No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
56 Blackstock, Darryl MLB/SPTM 6-3 245 28 5 Virginia N/A
51 Curry, Aaron RLB 6-2 255 25 3 Wake Forest $3,725,000
50 Goethel, Travis LB 6-3 233 24 2 Arizona State N/A
52 Groves, Quentin RLB 6-3 265 27 4 Auburn $555,000
53 Ihenacho, Carl LB 6-3 255 23 1 San Jose State N/A
55 McClain, Rolando MLB 6-3 255 22 2 Alabama $405,000
96 Wimbley, Kamerion LLB 6-4 255 28 6 Florida State N/A
Secondary
Secondary No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
30 Boyd, Jerome SS 6-2 225 25 2 Oregon $330,000
33 Branch, Tyvon SS 6-0 205 25 4 Connecticut $555,000
35 Chekwa, Chimdi CB 6-0 190 23 R Ohio State N/A
31 Eugene, Hiram S 6-2 200 31 6 Louisiana Tech N/A
27 Giordano, Matt FS 5-11 210 28 6 California N/A
24 Huff, Michael FS 6-1 205 28 6 Texas N/A
37 Johnson, Chris CB 6-1 200 32 8 Louisville N/A
28 Lambert, Terrail CB 5-11 190 26 1 Notre Dame N/A
32 McCann, Bryan KR/RCB/PR 5-10 186 24 2 Southern Methodist N/A
34 Mitchell, Mike SS 6-1 220 24 3 Ohio $480,000
21 Sheppard, Lito RCB 5-10 194 30 10 Florida N/A
28 Taylor, Curtis S 6-2 210 26 3 LSU N/A
23 Van Dyke, DeMarcus LCB 6-1 180 23 R Miami (FL) N/A
Special Teams
Special Teams No Player
there ..that should about cover it !!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Career Passing Leaders
No. Player Att. Comp. Pct. Yards TD Int.
1 Ken Stabler 2,481 1,486 59.9 19,078 150 143
2 Rich Gannon 2,448 1,533 62.6 17,585 114 50
3 Daryle Lamonica 2,248 1,138 50.6 16,655 148 115
4 Jim Plunkett 1,697 960 56.6 12,665 80 81
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
What up Dell
I’m ready to kick some ass in Fantasy Football
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
dueces
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Is that like deer in the headlights?
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I still find it hard to believe that JC has some hardcore believers on this blog. I mean the dude lost me when he took a knee, slid before the first down, or threw it short on 4th down. All in one game. Talking about “deer in the headlights”. We’re talking about a guy who has never tasted success in the NFL after given every single chance to succeed. Dude has been involved in more losses than wins in his entire career.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Eugene was very good on special teams. To be honest, after his injury I doubt he comes back to football, but if he does it will be for vet minimum, and he wont have any problem with that, because no one will offer him anything above that.
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Yeah Eugene was great as a special teamer, but dude is making some pretty good dough.
See ya
February 10th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Reggie can peruse the roster and see similarities on O from what he just departed in GB.
Very good QB, dynamic WRs, decent O-line and an adequate stable of RBs.
on D? whole lotta shakin’ out sounds reasonable.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
What up Dell
I’m ready to kick some ass in Fantasy Football
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
DMAC
Do you sill have the same yahoo email you forwarded to me a year or so ago?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Yeah Eugene was great as a special teamer, but dude is making some pretty good dough.
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Which is exactly why I said if he comes back it will be for league minimum.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
DMAC Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
What up Dell
I’m ready to kick some ass in Fantasy Football
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
DMAC
Do you sill have the same yahoo email you forwarded to me a year or so ago?
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Yeah same 1
February 10th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:53 am
no worries bra, but i cant let you say “jc wouldnt have won anymore games without ford moore and dmac than palmer”
He already won without all of them.
Your favorites are your favorites and thats fine, but dont make stuff up
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Make stuff up? Jason Campbell won exactly ZERO games in Oakland without DMac or JFord in the line up.
The first SD game in 2010, Ford wasn’t starting at receiver yet, but he did play and assist in the return game. I will give you that one. One game. And really, make no mistake, this game was won because of the the punt blocks and turnover returned for a TD at the end, NOT because of anythink Campbell did.
Thats it. Dont tell me Jason Campbell won games without his best weapons. He didn’t. Its a fact.
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double check it bra, in 2010 jc won two games without dmac in the line up, and as you mentioned ford was not the starter and didnt see the field much at all.
Dmac missed a san diego game and a kc game in 2010 both wins posted with jc as qb
try again
February 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Yeah Eugene was great as a special teamer, but dude is making some pretty good dough.
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Which is exactly why I said if he comes back it will be for league minimum.
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I’m all for bringing him back at the minumum
February 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
AIG
I give you credit for continuing to punch out comments on the JC debate.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
I agree with post 37: cut them all. Sign Alabama’s defense and USC’s offense. Keep Lechler and Seabass. And, away we go.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
DMAC
I will email you before the FFL starts so we can have you prepared for this coming season. I will not let you down!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Is that like deer in the headlights?
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I still find it hard to believe that JC has some hardcore believers on this blog. I mean the dude lost me when he took a knee, slid before the first down, or threw it short on 4th down. All in one game. Talking about “deer in the headlights”. We’re talking about a guy who has never tasted success in the NFL after given every single chance to succeed. Dude has been involved in more losses than wins in his entire career.
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funny if a guy that never threw more than 2 picks in a game for the raiders is a “deer in headlights”
What the his palmer with his multiple 3 pick games and 4 vs the defending champs?
cmon guys give it a rest.
Just admit you like palmer better and it isnt based on what has happened on the field in a raider uniform, or over the past two seasons.
Jc is gone now move on
February 10th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
DMAC
I will email you before the FFL starts so we can have you prepared for this coming season. I will not let you down!!!
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Fasho
I’ll be ready this time
February 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Palmer will always throw picks at time, because he likes to take chances. I can live w/ that. It’s the stupid int’s that need to be eliminated. He’ll be alright.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Jc is gone now move on
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Maybe you should try following your own advise.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Winnie the Pooh Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:29 a
Why bother comparing jc’s off games to palmers off games it still exposes your take as total garbage.
Jc has never thrown 3 picks in a game in silver and black…never
PALMER DID IT SEVERAL TIMES AND 4 PICKS IN ONE OF THOSE!!
Its fine if you like palmer better for what ever reason, its your right. Your take that he played better than jc here doesnt fly
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Of course JC never threw 3, or even 4 picks.
He was the dumpoff king.
Guys would be wide open down field, and at the first sign of a rush, dumpoff. Dumpoff. Dumpoff.
No, you don’t want picks trying to make a play, but no team wants the Dumpoff King.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
John Henderson
Base Salary S. Bonus Cap Hit
2012 4,000,000 750,000 4,750,000
Either restructure or your gone big Hendu!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
> Keep Lechler and Seabass. And, away we go.
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You forgot Condo in that keeper list.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Why are some still arguing JC?
He’s a perennial backup. Stop gap.
Wash knew that he couldn’t lead.
We found out he couldn’t lead. Guy had about as much emotion as a rock.
JC was benched not once, but twice because of his ugly play.
What’s to discuss?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Stabler and Plunkett were in a different offense than Gannon. Comparing those guys is like apples and oranges. One thing is sure. Gannon prepared himself better than the other two for a game. He was a maniac about that. The most important thing is that they all were leaders. Stabler and Plunkett were on better teams relative to the rest of the league at that time. They were all excellent QBs. HOF? Not for me to judge. The team was always more important to me than one single player; but you know guys do stand out.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
If Wimbley isn’t cut it would have to mean he restructured.Same with some of these other guys.Things are really getting interesting in Alameda.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Tommy Kelly
Base Salary S. Bonus Misc. Bonus
2012 6,000,000 1,857,142 1,035,714
2013 6,500,000 1,857,142 1,035,714
2014 7,000,000 1,857,142 1,035,714
Same thing for you Kelly Ross!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
double check it bra, in 2010 jc won two games without dmac in the line up, and as you mentioned ford was not the starter and didnt see the field much at all.
Dmac missed a san diego game and a kc game in 2010 both wins posted with jc as qb
try again
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Yeah sorry buddy, but the KC game, Ford was in the line up as a starter, and in fact scored a TD
As I said, JC won ZERO games with out either Ford or Dmac active. The only game he won without Dmac active, that Ford didnt start at WR, was a game that JC DIDNT START, and that our Special Teams/Defense scored two TDs and set up our offense inside the +20 for another…
It’s ok, we are all plainly aware of how you ignore facts for your silly man crush
February 10th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
How can you say Gannon was better prepared when Stabler and Plunkett called their own plays?They had to be prepared in those days.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
***BREAKING NEWS***
Stanford Routt spotted at Al Davis’ tomb in tears and overheard saying to himself “If you coulda only hung on for a few more years!!!”
February 10th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
JC was uncomfortable with a journeyman backup on his a$$. And you want to sell me that JC is an NFL starting QB?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
D!ck Seymour
Base Salary Misc. Bonus
2012 7,500,000 7,500,000
Restructure or kick rocks!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I think Al Davis’ passing will bring the average salary down in a couple of years rather than the usual rise. Guys will no longer have Raider players to compare to in negotiations.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Kameron Wimbley
Base Salary
2012 11,000,000
2013 11,000,000
2014 10,000,000
2015 11,000,000
$29 mil guranteed
February 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Later peoples!
I’m ghost!
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
Ya’ll have an exciting, safe weekend bros.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Wimbley and Seymour are definitely on the blocks. I dont see how RM will keep those salaries in tact. Shonasty is coming back next year so I think we live without Wimbley.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Paradise is a moron…only a fool says Gannon was best qb ever….go look at Gannon’s games vs stout defenses
February 10th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Oh yeah here’s McClains #’s
Base Salary S. Bonus
2012 970,000 4,600,000
2013 1,535,000 4,600,000
2014 2,100,000 4,600,000
$23 mil guaranteed
February 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Always can tell a JerryMac column. Well thought out and intellegent even though in the past I may have disagreed. Now the other is late to the party most times. A real wallflower! lol
February 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Gannon was schit compared to Stabler and Plunkett…….pro sports is about winning titles…Gannon never win a title….Paradise you just like coward football because you identify with cowards
February 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
double check it bra, in 2010 jc won two games without dmac in the line up, and as you mentioned ford was not the starter and didnt see the field much at all.
Dmac missed a san diego game and a kc game in 2010 both wins posted with jc as qb
try again
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Yeah sorry buddy, but the KC game, Ford was in the line up as a starter, and in fact scored a TD
As I said, JC won ZERO games with out either Ford or Dmac active. The only game he won without Dmac active, that Ford didnt start at WR, was a game that JC DIDNT START, and that our Special Teams/Defense scored two TDs and set up our offense inside the +20 for another…
It’s ok, we are all plainly aware of how you ignore facts for your silly man crush
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bra, jc won vs the chargers moore was in college, dmac didnt play. He has won without them. Ford had a limited role in that game.
he won vs kc without moore and dmac.
if you want to say that he didnt beat the chargers without ford and count his limited role that is fine.
Your take that he couldnt win without dmac and moore has been proven untrue.
Jc didnt start the game vs san diego, but brought us back from behind when he entered the game
Thanks though
February 10th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
He was among the NFL leaders in pressures according to some stat-keeping services.
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Jerry Mac = not a fan of pro football focus
February 10th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Imagine Gannon playing in a tough era like the 70s or 80s…….everyone in raider facility would laugh Paradise’s mentally challenged ass out the building for such a crappy claim. Not even Gannon would agree with ya on that
February 10th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Jason Campbell is set to start a half dozen games the rest of his career, and finish as a 1st round bust who never sniffed the playoffs.
Jezus, we should all be elated that can we move on from such mediocrity!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahah bcz like Ford is some dynamic player….puhleeze…Ford can go too….he ain’t a fkin starter…he wants to party before biggest game of career and doesn’t wanna play 100 pct cuz he is a gutless pxssy
February 10th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
How can you say Gannon was better prepared when Stabler and Plunkett called their own plays?They had to be prepared in those days.
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Stabler prepared just as hard as any other QB in history for games. He just had his own methods. Instead of pouring over game film and playbooks, he spent late nights pouring over booze and women. And it worked!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Vegas….Carson isn’t worth a bag of peanuts…send him to Wizard of OZ to find courage….we are below mediocrity with Palmer….6 wins in 2012
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Gannon was schit compared to Stabler and Plunkett…….pro sports is about winning titles…Gannon never win a title….Paradise you just like coward football because you identify with cowards
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lol coward?
I’m no coward B.
Like I said, Gannon was the best True QB to play for Raiders.
RIngs? nope.
But positon performance? elite.
So if chad henne won a superbowl with miami last year, he is better than marino?
stfu
Go wear a trent dilfer jersey, he has a ring just like stabler and plunkett.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Thank u jerry. Dont worry about the cap..
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Jc is gone, you guys should really let it go. Only haters want to act as if his 12-7 record and solid performance is somehow due to everyone but his own effort and contribution.
You cant erase what he did here, and your new favorite has yet to measure up to the standard.
It eats at you night and day im sure, but it is in the past and there isnt any thing that can be done about it.
let it go you will be happier people for it
February 10th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Wimbly might fit in,, but he needs to fix that deal
February 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Wow Br1en, you really don’t like CP. What exactly would you have the Raider’s GM do? Cut him, and absorb the financial blowout? Just pi$$ away the 2 draft picks we gave up? Curious what you would propose as an alternative.
BTW, I work with a Bengals fan who is from Ohio and he harbors no ill will to Carson. He knows that Mike Brown is a tool and the environment in Cinci was acrid. Doesn’t blame Palmer a bit for his choice to not play for Brown any more…
February 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
who gets cut next is the question….its not Palmer so lets get off that subject.
I say Wimbly is asked to restructure and he will do it instead of asking to be let go.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Aig you need to shut up becuz ur the dumbass who said Grads was the better qb and you were shutdown on that…playing Grad cost Raiders division…choke on that dummy…..and JC won and has a winning record in Oakland….you can argue all day for this factor or what have but facts are he was 11-7 as statrter…JC was offended as he should be…but notice you can answer about being n working world when inferior person gets your job….u know why you can’t? Cuz u know u been aced…again
February 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
twist up a fatty, open a cold beer and let it go.
JC is done in a Raider uniform, he wants to be a starter.
CP3 is our new quaterback. accept it and move on.
Now go and fire up that fatty and have a drink of beer,
and trust those in charge to make the right desisions.
NUFF SAID !!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
True qbs can throw all routes…could gannon? No he couldn’t…true Qbs beat any defense….did Gannon? Hell no you dummy
February 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Yep he would be better than Marino….he reached the ultimate goal u dumbfk
February 10th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
dennis allen needs to pull a parcells on cp3 and kill that gunslinger ego he has.. Just ride his ass all yr untill he becomes a game manager.. $hit on him if you have to allen, the talent is there for him to be great..
February 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Dilfer? Did he beat gannon in his career? Oops…try again lackey
February 10th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
You simply cannot compare QBs that played several DECADES apart, well at least not inteeligently. Gannon was a great QB for Gruden’s system and it was joy to watch him play.
Stabler and Plunkett had their strengths and weaknesses but their legacies are set and in my mind glorious. Both of them threw a LOT of picks though, and it used to make me crazy. But if you want to play in the gunfight, sometimes you take a bullet…
February 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Tebow is better than Palmer….so is TJ Yates…they done what Palmer never will….win a home playoff game
February 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Mike can I come over and join in the fatty and brews? Sounds good on a Friday afternoon…
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Did someone just say dilfer was better than marino?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
who gets cut next is the question….its not Palmer so lets get off that subject.
I say Wimbly is asked to restructure and he will do it instead of asking to be let go.
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
twist up a fatty, open a cold beer and let it go.
JC is done in a Raider uniform, he wants to be a starter.
CP3 is our new quaterback. accept it and move on.
Now go and fire up that fatty and have a drink of beer,
and trust those in charge to make the right desisions.
NUFF SAID !!
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agreed
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Jlofty….Palmer is a quitter and a turnover machine….he isn’t a leader and is a spoiled rich boy who never won a title in his life….and never will too….we already lost draft picks so what would we be losing? Financial? Who gives a damn…we get piece of mind…guy ain’t good he is awful
February 10th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
He11 ya JLofty, come on come on !!
and it doesnt have to be Friday.. its good any day !!!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Dilfer has what Marino doesn’t…the ultimate prize in sports…he can say I was qb for the number 1 team…the model franchise…has Marino ever touched the Lombardi trophy?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
FAT BOYS AND BEERS FOR EVERYBODY !!!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Tebow will not have a starting job next year Elway said her was going to draft a QB. Palmer will so to say that Tebow is better is wrong and I disagree.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Anyone who wony unwhack their deal gets cut.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
DMAC @54 : Totally agree.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Hahahahahahahahahahah Palmer be great? Ship sailed years ago
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Mtmm..its a team sport
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Mistic1
Who do you think is next on the chopping block?
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tebow beat Palmer and wins home playoff game…has palmer won a postseason game? Woooooo Ill wait
February 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Ok Br1en I get it, you can’t stand the guy. I asked what is your proposed alternative? We gunna pay the guy $7.5mil either way, if plays for us or if he walks. So that’s $7.5mil less to pay another QB…
February 10th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
1013.hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:24 am
The Pack employs a ZBS?
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They sure do and not a very good one at that. Then again, maybe it’s because they don’t have a dynamic ZBS RB like the Texans do.
The Packers need to get a true good ZBS RB and get their running game going next year to balance out their offense a bit. If they do that, they will back in the Super Bowl next year, plus their defense needs to get back to where it was 2 years ago.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Team sport but name only position that gets W-L attached with it? Thanks Mark’s Mullet top
February 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
….6 wins in 2012
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Before the bye???
Agreed!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Method, let me ask you, what dose it matter?
Palmer will be the starting quaterback for the Raiders next year period. Its all we got. We are stuck with him
for better or worse.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
12.5 million? Yeah they should trade or cut Palmer. For that money they could get manning, bring back JC, or gamble on someone like mr 6TD 318yd matt flynn with TP waiting in the 2 spot. They could do a lot with that money savings. Palmer is going to suck int the WCO.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Packers do power blocking not zbs…boy and someone lied that Giants do zbs…false! Coughlin allow zbs? U guys need to put the dope down
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Mistic1
Who do you think is next on the chopping block?
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another over paid defender that cant tackle, not sure if its on the d-line or huff
your guess is as good as mine
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
107 you never know. According to you, all cp3 needs to do is touch the lombardi to be great.. Go raiders!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Tebow is better than Palmer….so is TJ Yates…they done what Palmer never will….win a home playoff game
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now its getting down right dumb in here
February 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
12.5 million? Yeah they should trade or cut Palmer. For that money they could get manning, bring back JC, or gamble on someone like mr 6TD 318yd matt flynn with TP waiting in the 2 spot. They could do a lot with that money savings. Palmer is going to suck in the WCO.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Vegas….Mark Davis wll have dreadlocks before we win 6 games before the bye
February 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Wait……do I see a link to buy Giants season tickets at the top of the page?
Awesome!!!
Which will be more before their career ends:
Tim Lincecum postseason wins
Jason Campbell NFL starts
February 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Warren Moon was a pretty good QB who never touched the lombardi…
February 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
110.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tebow beat Palmer and wins home playoff game…has palmer won a postseason game? Woooooo Ill wait
^^^^^^^^^
Why do you and others forget that the Raiders Chuck B and the Defense cost the team the win versus the Ponies home game here , Detroit home game here, Buffalo, and the SD home game here?
Man some of you people just refuse to think the Raiders was absolutely TERRIBLE last year!
By all accounts they were lucky to win 8 games last year!
That crappy Defense almost blew the first SD game, the Cleveland game, Minnesota game, Jet game and Bear game!
February 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Cut Seymour first ask questions later.
MistaBrown Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Plunkett & Stabler won super bowls you mental retard. Putting Gannon in their class is ignorant.
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Richard Seymour won three Super Bowls with New England. They have won zero without him. He played the lst half of last season before injuring his knee at a very high level. Please STFU.
February 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
cp3 will fix his deal
February 10th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
Mark’s rug….touching trophy means winning it all…stop being a pea brain and snip ur do
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Vegas….Mark Davis wll have dreadlocks before we win 6 games before the bye
hahahahhahaha just got a mental picture of that in my head. thats some funny sh1t !!!
props Method !!!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
Oh and the Defense almost blew the 2nd KC game!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
If Wimbley is guaranteed 29 million and we cut him, he could sign with another team and probably make even more money. He isnt in a position where he has to restructure. If he really wants to be a Raider he might anyway. Seems to me that Raider players are all takeing a wait and see approach over new management. Hard to imagine Wimbley or most other players embraceing the team’s new management without them knowing how things are going to play out.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
110.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tebow beat Palmer and wins home playoff game…has palmer won a postseason game? Woooooo Ill wait
^^^^^^^^^
Why do you and others forget that the Raiders Chuck B and the Defense cost the team the win versus the Ponies home game here , Detroit home game here, Buffalo, and the SD home game here?
Man some of you people just refuse to think the Raiders was absolutely TERRIBLE last year!
By all accounts they were lucky to win 8 games last year!
That crappy Defense almost blew the first SD game, the Cleveland game, Minnesota game, Jet game and Bear game!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
110.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tebow beat Palmer and wins home playoff game…has palmer won a postseason game? Woooooo Ill wait
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So what you are saying is Tim Tebow is a better Q than say Cam Newton or Matt Stafford? Silly dude.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Oh and the Defense almost blew the 2nd KC game!
Are some of you blind or something?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Gannon was schit compared to Stabler and Plunkett…….pro sports is about winning titles…Gannon never win a title….Paradise you just like coward football because you identify with cowards
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lol coward?
I’m no coward B.
Like I said, Gannon was the best True QB to play for Raiders.
RIngs? nope.
But positon performance? elite.
So if chad henne won a superbowl with miami last year, he is better than marino?
stfu
Go wear a trent dilfer jersey, he has a ring just like stabler and plunkett.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Raiderinparadise,
Read the “context” of your comment and you would have a better performing QB than Championships. So in your opinion, Marino is the best QB, compare to any QB who won a Super Bowl. I’ve heard Dan Marino speak at a Financial Conference say “his only regret was no Super Bowl Ring and he said(Marino) he would give his records up to have one”.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Moon I liked….still no rings….call it for what it is…excuses are lame
February 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Seymour will fix his deal
February 10th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tebow beat Palmer and wins home playoff game…has palmer won a postseason game? Woooooo Ill wait
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Palmer playing two way football?
Didn’t realize that he was out there arm tackling Timmy.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
For all of those with no memory…remember drew bledslow when NE went to wco in 90s? Awful and he hated it…Bledslow is a better version of palmer…fk u think bout to happen ths season? Thanks
February 10th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
128..no $hit.. I actually like the raiders and hope that win the superbowl
February 10th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Packers do power blocking not zbs
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Did you read the link I provided?
The freaking official Green Bay Packers website states CLEARLY that their O-line coach teaches the ZBS, and has done so since 2007.
Do you need me to post it again?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Dell just killed Raidernightmare’s nonsense lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
B,
What’s the matter? It looks like your little Napolean complex is up and running again huh? I know I know. You’re a bad a$$ mofo and you rule the world. Anyone that thinks Dilfer is better than Marino is a certified and bonafied MORON.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
uglyorc Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
If Wimbley is guaranteed 29 million and we cut him, he could sign with another team and probably make even more money. He isn’t in a position where he has to restructure. If he really wants to be a Raider he might anyway. Seems to me that Raider players are all taking a wait and see approach over new management. Hard to imagine Wimbley or most other players embracing the team’s new management without them knowing how things are going to play out.
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He would probably restructure IF he were asked nicely and Reggie explained it was so we could acquire players to help us win. Any player worth their salt prefers winning to losing.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Vegas I need u to post my 10@ bucks u still owe me from 2010 east finals lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
123.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Wait……do I see a link to buy Giants season tickets at the top of the page?
Awesome!!!
Which will be more before their career ends:
Tim Lincecum postseason wins
Jason Campbell NFL starts
LOL, you guys better pray Lincecum wins more post season wins…you guys better get past LA this year!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Napolean complex is for short men…and I’m definitely taller than you….try again
February 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
12.5 mil for Palmer is way too much. Bet he gets cut or restructures is contract.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
139 good point. Im hoping palmer doesnt hate it..
February 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Oh and the Defense almost blew the 2nd KC game!
Are some of you blind or something?
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The defense DID blow the 2nd KC game. And we were a coin flip away from losing that game and ending with a losing record. Not only did Palmer and DHB win that game, they waited til the right moment to seize it. Why anyone would crucify Palmer based on that alone is ridiculous. Still, that was a pretty lucky win.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
How tall are you B
February 10th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Hell yeah, line em up, shoo em out. In this order please. Romac,Kelly,Huff,Seymour.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
What does the list of free agent DTs look like?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I’ve heard Dan Marino speak at a Financial Conference say “his only regret was no Super Bowl Ring and he said(Marino) he would give his records up to have one”.
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Just because Marino would give his record to have one doesnt mean that Dilfer is better than him. Who wouldnt want to have a ring? But the last time I checked, there are 22 guys playing the game. How was Marino’s D during his days? How has Miami fared since he retired?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Hahahahahah Aig coming from the guy who said grads was better than jc last summer? Hahahahahahahahahha…shut up short man and grab a ladder and talk to me face to face
February 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Romac is safe. The trainer makes more $$
February 10th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Dilfer=champion…marinoo=stat guy….see y’all later
February 10th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Run B,
Dont let the door hit your a$$ on the way out.
BCZ asked you how tall you are? Dare to answer?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Bcz…I’m not in the 5ft range lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Grad>>>>JC.
That’s an easy one. He out played JC in every game where they had the same supporting roster and went up against the same opponent. But of course, you wouldnt dare go there.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
We need a fat dt, a killer ilb, and corners oh, and a olb… Palmer stays unless we can get manning
February 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
6′1…..AIG you mean how the door hit ya on the ass when jhill ran u off this site?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
AIG go pump some more weights…a good workout will have u simmer down there in the great town of Memphis
February 10th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Bcz…I’m not in the 5ft range lol
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I knew you were a shorty. You dont even dare list your height. Napolean complex!!!
BTW, I’m 6ft, 225lbs, and 13% bodyfat. Take that punk a$$.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
6′1…..AIG you mean how the door hit ya on the ass when jhill ran u off this site?
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is that with pumps? lfmao
February 10th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
See the lie of Aig? Grad 1-3 in 2010…how is that outplaying jc? Ever have a 30@ yd game that year? Did he have a winning streak? Didn’t grad lose back to back games? Did grad ever have the offense go over 500 yards 3 times in a season? Hhahahahahahahahahahah Aig…time to go to gym…get buff and all
February 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Hahahahhaahahahhah I’m 6′1 215 right now and with much body fat….food is awesome…..take what? 225 and 6 ft? Hahahahahahahahahahahahahahahahaha Aig nice lie…next u will tell me u can dunk like Jeremy Lin
February 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Vegas I need u to post my 10@ bucks u still owe me from 2010 east finals lol
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I will hand deliver a quarter to you next year.
I still remember.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
It is being reported Manning’s arm is like a wet noodle.Why would we want him?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Aig go pump some more weights…I’m sure it helps your confidence…you need it lil guy
February 10th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Bri:
Marino: One Super Bowl and Lost
Rex Grossman: One Super Bowl and Lost
Marino = Grossman??
Put down the kush dude.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Aig= nerd got picked on in high school..never peeled any bzies then later on in life got a membership at a gym and confidence is a blooming…actually I’m happy for ya…u need something as a postive becuz football knowledge surely isn’t working in your favor…congrats I say
February 10th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Rex Grossman isn’t a champion like Marino…..ummmm kush? Naw…too overrated for me….we smokin Cookie out here now…come on glenn keep up my friend
February 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
There is no lie B. You just can’t handle the facts.
Look up Oak vs STL and Oak vs Pitt. JC got yanked in both games and Grad out performed him in both games. Won one of them too. Oh and Grad did win in Pitt right?
Face it. You can’t handle the truth.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Put down the kush dude.
FUK THAT.. PASS IT !!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Vegas u don’t owe me schit…its all good…to argue with ya over sports in person and have a few drinks is enough for me
February 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
So I’m curious, and can hopefully ask this in a way that isn’t going to start any race wars here. Is there any strong correlation between a Raider fan’s race and their preference for either JC or CP?
For instance, CP and I share the same melatonin challenged skin tones. Does that mean that subconsciously I want to see him as the QB for my beloved Raiders? Consciously, I’m convinced he’s a better player, but I wonder if there is any strong connection that could be seen with input from many supporters of each from both sides?
[and really, not trying to stir up schit in here -- I'm truly curious about this]
February 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Truth…Aig…truth is JC winning record while grad doesn’t…and notice u had no rebuttal for my post about what they did in 2@10…no win streak for grad..no 300 yard games…no 500 yd offensive output…lost back to back games….what’s the excuse again….wait…let’s lift iron….raaaawwwwrrrrr! Now I feel good about myself
February 10th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
MIKe lmao!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
B,
Actually I dont go on this site pounding my chest and announcing how studly and macho I am like you. I dont tell everyone on here to eff off and I’ll kick their a$$ when they prove me wrong.
I have lived enough to know that you’ve a got major Napolean complex. I know it when I see it. That’s why you and Mrs. Brown are BFF. Forgive my ESL but is that what they call birds of feather stick together?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
So I’m curious, and can hopefully ask this in a way that isn’t going to start any race wars here. Is there any strong correlation between a Raider fan’s race and their preference for either JC or CP?
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Honestly? No. There is probably a little bit of A and a little bit of B but overall most fans just want a guy who can win games here.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Fck that, a bet is a bet.
OK, so maybe a quarter……minus a nug or two, lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Zymurge the qb’s skin tone means nada nor does the coach…I hahted russell’s blk ass like I hated hue’s
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
I agree with Jerry on this post. The RAIDERS are going thru a talent/production eval based on what the coaches want to run.
My guess is that they will reset the roster based on a reasonable contribution to cost ratio, aka, “value.”
That was our downfall the last 10 years. Al Davis had been doing a terrible job of talent eval and it is the primary contributor to our results. Not that there isn’t others, like underappreciting the coaches for instance. Actually both those two factors are the perfect storm for creating the lack of accountability and a failure to perform at the level needed for success in the NFL…
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Yall are some tiny little men. 6′5 300… Im a monster. Clothes shopping blows.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Aig…..raaaawwwwwrrr me lift weight now me hungry…raaaawwwwrrrrr!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
thought JC did a very good job the first 6 games this year. But I do think he benefitted from being here his 2nd year and having DMAC run for almost 6yd per carry doing those 6 games.CP came off his couch , never had a pre season or snap with DMAC and played most of the time with 2 of the raiders top 3 WRs on the sidelines due to injury. You don’t have to drink the kool aid on CP yet, but to not give him a pass for the circumstances that occurred is being too harsh. Beside the bengals, how many other NFL teams would choose JC over CP
February 10th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
It’s never the productive player that gets released
-Jerry Mac
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Steve Corkran would never say something so stupid
February 10th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
6′5 300 is a big mthfka for sure…Pops is 6′6 330…guys like y’all are the guys who would fight wars in ancient times
February 10th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Bcz…I bet cooked food lives in fear of you….I know u played college ball…no way u couldnt
February 10th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
154.aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
I’ve heard Dan Marino speak at a Financial Conference say “his only regret was no Super Bowl Ring and he said(Marino) he would give his records up to have one”.
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Just because Marino would give his record to have one doesnt mean that Dilfer is better than him. Who wouldnt want to have a ring? But the last time I checked, there are 22 guys playing the game. How was Marino’s D during his days? How has Miami fared since he retired?
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Dilfer -Sucked as a QB in the NFL.
If it is was not for his dominate defense he would not have a job today talking about the NFL.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Tiny tho? Naw….tiny is jacoby ford…we above average size…mthfkas like bcz are abnormal
February 10th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Dilfer= qb with ring as starter even tossed a td in that game….can u take that away? Neverrrrrrr….this is about winning and Dilfer did
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
kiss Khalif Barnes goodbye.
RT = bcz
“put a hat on somebody!” in my best Tom Cable voice
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Yall are some tiny little men. 6′5 300… Im a monster. Clothes shopping blows.
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Afternoon Fellas,
OK Bcz24, I’m gonna respectfully refer to you as Gulliver.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Steve Bono = Jason Campbell
February 10th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Aig…..raaaawwwwwrrr me lift weight now me hungry…raaaawwwwrrrrr!
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LOL
Nothin wrong with lifting B.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Steve Bono = Jason Campbell
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jason can sing? OOPS wrong dude, sorry.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Bcz…u may be 6′5 but back when I hooped I would surely dunk all over your face…it was always fun flushin on y’all big cats…but after u do it once on that guy u ain’t trying again….I learned hard way after my celebration…ouch did that hurt lmao
February 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Steve Bono = Jason Campbell
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Jason can sing? OOPS wrong dude, sorry.
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I got you Babe…Sonny was awful!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Len…I lift liqour bottles…beer cans and poato chip bags…I agree there ain’t nada wrong…..also burritos from the mexican truck off High street lmao
February 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Zymurge, the answer is yes for some maybe even many, but no for others.
I could care less how tan some dude is. I care only about results. I’m a NordicDego myself but would have taken Doug Williams over Jay Shroeder every day. Personally, I have a lot of respect for Soup, but he’s not a very good QB.
But there are TONS of phychological studies and sociology studies that show what most people already know, that humans have a prediliction in their DNA in regards to a “sameness” preference. Seems to stem from the thousands of years humans slaughtered each other’s tribes, civilizations, etc. since they were “different.” People’s ideas of sameness and different are changing in this modern world however…
February 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Bcz…yes for RT…you do know snap count right?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Jason Campbell will play for the 49ers next season
Fitting …
February 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Len…I lift liqour bottles…beer cans and poato chip bags…I agree there ain’t nada wrong…..also burritos from the mexican truck off High street lmao
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Make sure you warm up with the 12oz curls before moving on to the heavier stuff. lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Jlofry…I careless about same..I want the job done…I’ll take an asian qb or a fkin arabic rb if it meant I win superbowl
February 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Len will do….heavier stuff? Woooo you mean work hard? Naw fk that unlesss its a 6 foot bottle of Don Julio
February 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Zymurge
I’d say yes.
Look up Jeremy Lin and see how hyped he is by the Asian American communities. I am sure a lot of black folks will be like wtf is so special about 20ppg.
Black QBs have been discriminated against. My hunch is black folks want these guys to succeed and prove that they belong. You will still find a few hardcore supporters of JaWalrus. They still make excuses for him.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderLen,
When I read Bono, I was thinking of U2 Bono.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Jason Campbell will play for the 49ers next season
Fitting …
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Alex Smith is caddying for Jim Harbaugh at Pebble this week. I dont think JC is going there.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Aig not true…folks in bay area even blk folks liked Lin…dude was cool as fk when I met him at a chinese new year party
February 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Zymurge the qb’s skin tone means nada nor does the coach…I hahted russell’s blk ass like I hated hue’s
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Brian is right. Before the Campbell/Carson debate, the fans were groaning the second Boller took the field. And let’s not even start with the way they treated Grads and Frye. And the sh** rain that came down on Jamarcus was legendary. I will never forget Raider fan belly aching about McCown who completed his first six passes as a Raider. When his 7th attempt went incomplete, the fans booed him mercilessly.
And how can anyone forget the trash heaped on Aaron Brooks and Andrew Walter in the tunnel. Or Kerry Collins egging the Black Hole on because they were booing him and throwing sh**. Huh. Seems like there is a pattern here…..
February 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
When I was a Kid I wanted to be Reggie Jackson, Willie Mays, and….Archie Griffin.
My ancestry is Scotts/Irish.
I loved these Guys because they were Good.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
Jeremy Lin= ststae champion…whipped LA’s ass in title game….we love him up here….Lin is a NorCal guy….he is awesome…wished he never left Bay
February 10th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
RaiderLen,
When I read Bono, I was thinking of U2 Bono.
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LOL…sorry Dell
U2 Bono = much better than Sonny…lol
February 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Hope Lin kicks the fagg lakers ass tonight since Grumpy Old Men aka Boston couldn’t…fkin bzies….but Klay and Curry killed last night in Denver! Trade Monta start Klay!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Aig…..raaaawwwwwrrr me lift weight now me hungry…raaaawwwwrrrrr!
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Dont hate me because I respect my body/mind/self. You should try it sometimes. Who’s gonna respect you if you dont respect yourself/body/mind first.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Trade Monta now…let’s play some real basketball…..monta scores 48 we lose..he scores 14 we win….see it? Yes u did!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Later gents. Gonna try to catch up to TW on tv.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Who said I hated ya for that? I gave u props on buiolding your self confidence that wasn’t there before
February 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
216.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Hope Lin kicks the fagg lakers ass tonight since Grumpy Old Men aka Boston couldn’t…fkin bzies….but Klay and Curry killed last night in Denver! Trade Monta start Klay!
NO! Not gonna happen!!! LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
TW? Ok what’s that?
February 10th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hwnrdr….Jeremy Lin has old ancient Chinese secret and shall aced the Fakers in New York tonite….I hope(gasp)
February 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Maybe we can trade Monta for Lin, lol.
February 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Rachel Nichols of ESPN reports that Giants quarterbacks coach Mike Sullivan is interviewing for Bucs coach Greg Schiano’s vacant offensive coordinator job in Tampa
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Hue Jax remains out of the mix!
February 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Oh god…well that’s it for me….Friday night? Fawk that! Last Friday was enough for me in Columbia Missouri
February 10th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Alex Smith is caddying for Jim Harbaugh at Pebble this week. I dont think JC is going there.
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AIG,
Alex Smith needs a backup.
Colin K is trash. glad we got Wiz II instead!
February 10th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Smith would beat out Campbell if he were to go to SF,which he won’t because he knows what the results would be.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Brien, if you were alive when Stabler was QB between 1972 and 1976 you probably would have been crying about him too, just like Palmer…..throws too many ints, can’t win the big game cry cry cry…..and then he won the SB, then you would have been all over him. Greatest ever!
February 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
223.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hwnrdr….Jeremy Lin has old ancient Chinese secret and shall aced the Fakers in New York tonite….I hope(gasp)
LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
We’ve been hearing for years about all the damage the Raiders have been doing to their financial structure in terms of the salary cap, yet through it all, it never stopped Al Davis from spending as much money as he saw fit to bring in players.
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didn’t we lose nnamdi and miller because we couldn’t afford to bring them back?
February 10th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Rachel Nichols of ESPN reports that Giants quarterbacks coach Mike Sullivan is interviewing for Bucs coach Greg Schiano’s vacant offensive coordinator job in Tampa
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Hue Jax remains out of the mix!
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It still shocks me how any one who actually watched the last Raider season was willing to stick up for that pos. No one in the league will. Obviously.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Its surprising how little some of you understand the game of football, considering how much time you spend on this blog talking about it.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Palmer does not have to be the end all be all QB, those are tough to find. Just need him to round out a balanced attack on offense and then dramatically improve the defense to win it all.
Can we get it done in the next three years?
Hard to say.
Reggie has a lot of cleaning up to do on that wreck of a defense Al left him.
Or, Reggie might sign the one veteran defensive player who can inspire and lead the rest of the puzzies on defense to greater heights. A Brian Dawkins type guy who can shake these idiots out of their crappy ways. Who could that be? I don’t know, but my hope is that Reggie can find one and we can start winning now. Otherwise it could be a while…
February 10th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
mizza Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
We’ve been hearing for years about all the damage the Raiders have been doing to their financial structure in terms of the salary cap, yet through it all, it never stopped Al Davis from spending as much money as he saw fit to bring in players.
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didn’t we lose nnamdi and miller because we couldn’t afford to bring them back?
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No, we never offered Nnamdi a contract.
And then we gave the contract amount that it would’ve taken to sign him over to Routt instead.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
231. Teams never “lose” a player they really wanted to keep.
Nnamdi was never even offered a deal from Raiders and Miller over rated.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Raider Nation-Station on FB
“We love admire and respect Mr. Davis and the Nation he created but not blind to his foibles.
One of the greatest things to come in the post Al Davis era will be the accountability and discipline lacking at times during his reign.”
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Thats RIGHT!
Gannon and others were the enforcers during that era. Coaches were never allowed to discipline guys hence the Ruslle BS draggin on waaaay longer than it should and countless other cr-ap by players to go on.
Can’t see any reason why that would go on now that Davis is gone.
That will be a very big and good change!
February 10th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
i thought we didn’t offer nnamdi a contract because we didnt have the money to bring back all the players we wanted, and al decided to bring back multiple players for the price of nnamdi (i think routt and wimbley). Point being it seems like having a bunch of jacked up salaries did cost us our best defensive player. (btw, nnamdi ended up getting 15 mil, routt got 10)
February 10th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:42 am
TO BE 100% HONEST. RICH GANNON WAS THE BEST TRUE QB TO EVER PLAY FOR THE RAIDERS.
That’s your opinion……….. not a bad opinion, only one of many.
Gannon played in a time that was much more friendly to QB and receiver, can’t get near the QB and can’t touch the receivers 5 yards past the line of scrimage.
When Stabler played it was basically no holds bared, QBs had no more protection then anyone else, receivers were basically molested until the ball was in the air.
Gannon was a game manager, the plays were called for him he could audible if he needed to. He was good at what he did.
Stabler called his own plays in the huddle, one of the last QBs to ever do that.
I will go you one better, Gannon was the Best Game Manager the Raiders ever had. Game called for him, in a time better suited for the pass
Stabler is the Best True QB the Raiders ever had, in a time when Football was Football.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
No more scholarships.
YEA!!!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
Steve Bono = Jason Campbell
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Sonny Bono > Jason Campbell
February 10th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Jaxom, #239
When Stabler played, head slap to the QB was a good and legal hit.
Here is how it played out: one defensive lineman would come in and slap the QB on the helmet, leaving that QB stunned and motionless just for a second. That left the QB defenseless to take a licking and get sacked by the follow up lineman. Matusak and Lyle Alzado used that stunt a lot. When they were successful the victimized QB usually spent the night in the hospital.
As far as the better QB, Gannon or Stabler, Stabler did win a Superbowl.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Bob Brown was a defensive lineman back in the day who wore a cast for over 3 season (he supposedly had a broken thumb). Reportedly his goal was to inflict at least 2 concussion per game wielding that cast. He was especially effective in the pile, semi-hidden where the refs couldn’t see him.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Brown was an Offensive Tackle.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
True Hardline, but I think the headslap was used more on the line, defense against offense then against guys in the backfield. Soooo long ago, hard to remember lol.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
lefty12,
true, he was an offensive lineman, beating up defensive lineman – my mistake.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Deacon Jones = 1st head slapper 1960’s
February 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
His signature move.
February 10th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Jaxom Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
His signature move.
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Yep, and he’s reveled in telling about how it messed O linemen up…lol
February 10th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
We are gonna have some serious football fun for the next few seasons I’m sensing. Silver and Black are in good hands now.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
I tell ya it feels like we are watching an expansion team grow here and I mean that in a positive way! No more project players and big name bums being signed. Reggie wants football players not projects. I love it! Sure maybe we don’t win a super bowl for watch a team of young players with heart and grit lose a few games than a bunch of overpaid underachievers. Man I wish it were September!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
tommy kelly big rich and huff are the bext guys i think need to be overhauled
February 10th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Deacon Jones = 1st head slapper 1960’s
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Deacon Jones. Dude was pretty fearsome back in the day. He says if sacks were a stat that was kept when he played, he claims he would have about 4,000,000 sacks.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
tommy kelly big rich and huff are the bext guys i think need to be overhauled
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That’s why it’s quiet. Contracts are being reworked as we speak. Stan Routt mouthed off, Reggie let everyone know who was running the show, and awaaay we go!
February 10th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
Jerry, you don’t get it.
Sure Al could bring in 8 players and pay them crazy contracts. But he could never field a decent NFL team. We had zero depth. That is the price of paying crazy contracts for a few guys.
And nice job reporting about the $5 mil Routt roster bonus decision before hand, rather than have the topic come up after he was cut.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Len Pasquarelli of the Sports XChange confirms that keeping free agent SS Tyvon Branch remains a “priority” for new Raiders management.
Pasquarelli suggests Branch may even get the franchise tag, which would cost the Raiders a reasonable $6 million, if no long-term accord can be reached. The club’s ideal scenario would be to extend Branch long term and place the tag on free agent Michael Bush. Per Pasquarelli, Branch “comes very highly recommended by people (Raiders GM Reggie) McKenzie trusts.”
February 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
247. Earhole slap. Oh dear gawd you’ve no idea how much that hurts. Really takes you out of your game when your concussion makes you feel like throwing up.
Brutal game back then. I think the finesse ie Corporate asset and anti retirement lawsuit division has watered down the game too much but its not a stretch to say the game is vastly different from when Davis’ raiders used to intimidate people.
Now players get fined for breathing near a guy.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
tommy kelly big rich and huff are the bext guys i think need to be overhauled
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Our D was Horrible.
With or without these guys, (mentioned above and including Henderson)we could do no worse.
If I’m swinging the ax, I get rid of them all.
I understand that some might be better suited to a new scheme, but at what renegotiated cost?
I’d prefer to clean the slate on the D of both players and contracts.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Jerry Mac spits hot truth.
Reggie Mac doin’ work.
Great times in the Nation!
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word.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
247. Earhole slap. Oh dear gawd you’ve no idea how much that hurts. Really takes you out of your game when your concussion makes you feel like throwing up.
Brutal game back then. I think the finesse ie Corporate asset and anti retirement lawsuit division has watered down the game too much but its not a stretch to say the game is vastly different from when Davis’ raiders used to intimidate people.
Now players get fined for breathing near a guy.
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So true.
The game was more guttural back in the day.
The problem though is that if these Guys today were playing by old school rules, somebody might actually get killed.
Today’s players are so much bigger, stronger faster.
I prefer the old ways, but It may not be practical.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Wimbley is due to make $11 million,had 3 sacks in 15 games and people complain that Kelly and Seymour are overpaid and under perform.The logic on here at times leaves me befuddled.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Wimbley will stay. Allen loves to send pressure and he will get WImbley rolling.
Reggie and Alllen backed Rolando.
Curry is a wildcard. I really liked what he did in his short time.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Wimbley is due to make $11 million,had 3 sacks in 15 games and people complain that Kelly and Seymour are overpaid and under perform.The logic on here at times leaves me befuddled.
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Logic dictates that Wimbley redo or walk.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Wimbley will stay. Allen loves to send pressure and he will get WImbley rolling.
Reggie and Alllen backed Rolando.
Curry is a wildcard. I really liked what he did in his short time.
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Curry will have to redo as well.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Check this out btw…
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/31/pressure-and-the-2011-quarterbacks/
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Wimbley is due to make $11 million,had 3 sacks in 15 games and people complain that Kelly and Seymour are overpaid and under perform.The logic on here at times leaves me befuddled.
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the reason i am not as hard on wimbly is because i dont feel he was used correctly. I also think he was the one guy that was serviceable against the run, his lack of sacks was disappointing though
February 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Hardline Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Bob Brown was a defensive lineman back in the day who wore a cast for over 3 season (he supposedly had a broken thumb). Reportedly his goal was to inflict at least 2 concussion per game wielding that cast. He was especially effective in the pile, semi-hidden where the refs couldn’t see him.
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Bob Brown was a RT for the Raiders. He was truly a monster. He wasn’t fast, just Big (for the time) & brutal. He attacked the goalposts one time and broke it with a blow. Can’t remember if it was an arm swing or a shoulder block. It was broke. He was just sending a message. I think he was acquired via trade from the Rams I think. That was a long time ago. His nickname was the BOOMER. He played with the Raiders just a couple of years.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
dont read too much into lip service from big mack and da, when it comes to praising any player on the roster. no gm is going to trash guys that he may need, or that he may need to trade.
Saying nice things about romac or palmer should not fool you into believing these guys will be here in 2013. In both cases there was a qualifying statement made along with any platitudes handed out.
Both guys are under the microscope and if they play this year like they did last year they wont be in the fold in 2013.
Book it!
February 10th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Hardline Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Bob Brown was a defensive lineman back in the day who wore a cast for over 3 season (he supposedly had a broken thumb). Reportedly his goal was to inflict at least 2 concussion per game wielding that cast. He was especially effective in the pile, semi-hidden where the refs couldn’t see him.
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Bob Brown was a RT for the Raiders. He was truly a monster. He wasn’t fast, just Big (for the time) & brutal. He attacked the goalposts one time and broke it with a blow. Can’t remember if it was an arm swing or a shoulder block. It was broke. He was just sending a message. I think he was acquired via trade from the Rams I think. That was a long time ago. His nickname was the BOOMER. He played with the Raiders just a couple of years.
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JB you are right on.
It was a forearm if I remember correctly.
February 10th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
so far romac true to form – he said secondary area of concern and came out swinging- i believe his word he keeps palmer and romac-also common sense on contracts says so
February 10th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
dont read too much into lip service from big mack and da, when it comes to praising any player on the roster. no gm is going to trash guys that he may need, or that he may need to trade.
Saying nice things about romac or palmer should not fool you into believing these guys will be here in 2013. In both cases there was a qualifying statement made along with any platitudes handed out.
Both guys are under the microscope and if they play this year like they did last year they wont be in the fold in 2013.
Book it!
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To borrow a phrase from Hue….
OBVIOUSLY, Reggie and DA will do WHATEVER they think is in the best interests of the Raiders.
No sacred cows…or scholarship players.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
I disagree with Jmac on one point… the only reasons one should restructure a contract is because of not only how valuable he is to the team, but HOW LONG he will be valuable. Restructuring players on their last leg is what got us in trouble back when Tim Brown was playing. Its just kicking the can down the road, leading to more cap problems later (players don’t restructure without MORE guaranteed money.)
Restructuring should only happen with players that will almost certainly be on the team 3-5 years from now. Not Seymour and Henderson. Or even Huff if he doesn’t work out at CB. He’s a horrible FS, do we really want to restructure hoping he is worth the money at CB? Seems like a huge gamble.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
McClain isn’t going anywhere,at least not this year.McKenzie also said he loves young talent and you don’t give up on it too quickly.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
272 route restructured and just lost a few yrs and about 34 mil…
February 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Everybody old or overpaid is on notice
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GG Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Check this out btw…
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/31/pressure-and-the-2011-quarterbacks/
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Interesting info, thanks.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
You give Wimbley a pass because you don’t feel he was used correctly,but you despise Palmer because he was thrown to the wolves when he wasn’t properly prepared due to little-no practice 2 weeks in a row where he threw almost half of the ints you complain about.OK.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Lefty
This season aside, Palmer has a history of throwing a lot of int’s.
Since 2007:
89 TD’s, 73 int’s.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
Wimbley is due to make $11 million,had 3 sacks in 15 games and people complain that Kelly and Seymour are overpaid and under perform.The logic on here at times leaves me befuddled.
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the reason i am not as hard on wimbly is because i dont feel he was used correctly. I also think he was the one guy that was serviceable against the run, his lack of sacks was disappointing though
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This is exactly what I was talking about earlier. Davis snagged Wimbley off the Browns for very little and he performed well for us. Al rewarded him with one of those, “now go out and be elite” contracts. Losing Shaughnessy probably hurt Wimbley more than any other player on the roster. With teams focusing their attention on Seymour and Kelly, Wimbley was singled up and he was the guy opponents said “let Wimbley beat us.” He didn’t.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
McClain isn’t going anywhere,at least not this year.McKenzie also said he loves young talent and you don’t give up on it too quickly.
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nobody said he would be gone THIS year. i said he and palmer need to perform or they will be gone in 2013
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Lefty
This season aside, Palmer has a history of throwing a lot of int’s.
Since 2007:
89 TD’s, 73 int’s.
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Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
February 10th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
You give Wimbley a pass because you don’t feel he was used correctly,but you despise Palmer because he was thrown to the wolves when he wasn’t properly prepared due to little-no practice 2 weeks in a row where he threw almost half of the ints you complain about.OK.
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True. But let’s be honest, playing QB in the NFL is a piece of cake. Anyone can do that, right?
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
The younger fans unfortunately didn’t have the opportunity to see what us older fans now call real football. The game has really changed. The players have really changed both physically and skill-wise.
THEN:
• QB’s called their own plays
• No Free Agency
• A “Big” lineman was 6′4″ 280#
• Hitting was encouraged – Mugging too!
• Only way players changed teams was via trade
• Stick-um was liberally used
• Players played hurt
• Pass interference NOT called for simple contact
• Knocking people out was encouraged
NOW:
• QB’s have plays called in by OC. Some are allowed to audible out of them.
• Free Agency has had significant impact on the game and teams in particular.
• Average linemen today are 6′6″ and 310#. Plus they can run sub 5 second 40’s. Much more technique are used nowadays.
• Rules today now significantly limit hitting. Every little transgression is called and often fined.(ridiculous IMO)
• Players no longer are committed to a team. They are there strictly for the $’s. Team loyalty is of the past.
• Stick-um and like products are outlawed. In a sense, special gloves now do much of what Stick-um was used for.
• Some players today will play hurt. Others, will not play when “Nicked”.
• Today’s pass interference are too protective of the receivers (IMO). The contact after 5 yard rule is the most outrageous (again, IMO).
• Knocking someone out today is going to cost you $20,000 and possibly a game(s) suspension.
I understand many of the new rules but, in providing all this extra player protection, they’ve taken away from the original game – that which made it America’s #1 favorite sport. Players know football is a violent game. That’s why they make the big bucks. Nobody is being forced to play in the NFL. They get well rewarded financially. If they continue to remove the violence from the game all that will be left is a sport with the excitement of Baseball (Yawn). I just hope they don’t continue on with this trend otherwise real football will be a thing of the past – a distant memory.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
You give Wimbley a pass because you don’t feel he was used correctly,but you despise Palmer because he was thrown to the wolves when he wasn’t properly prepared due to little-no practice 2 weeks in a row where he threw almost half of the ints you complain about.OK.
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lefty this is nonsensical babble
I did not give wimbly a pass, i said im not as hard on him as others on defense, because of how he was used in the defense. His best attribute is pass rushing, and i think the scheme could have been more creative in terms of turning him loose on the qb.
i dont despise palmer, i despise 16 picks in 9 games. Dont give me excuses about why picks shouldnt count in the first two games he played. they do not make up for the bad reads or terrible forced throws he continued to make all the way up to the end of the season. Balls bouncing off defenders (3 in the first half of the last game vs sd) is tangible evidence that he has a long way to go. you cant say his 4 pick outing vs gb had anything to do with rust or being ill prepared either.
Cmon left that was pretty weak bra
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Now routt can go run track in the olympics
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I’m not going to discuss this with you because your minds are made up.I’m just pointing out that he threw 16 ints in 9 games and 6 of those were thrown in 2 games he shouldn’t have been on the field=missed used,while Wimbley had very little production and is given a pass because he was misused in the same peoples minds who criticize Palmer.Seems a little hypocritical to me.BTW,I wish he’d throw less ints also,but when you are throwing the ball all over the park,they will happen-especially when your WRs fall down(Ford) or run the wrong routes.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
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Reminds me of you, quoting Al Davis stats, of 30 years ago.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Lefty
This season aside, Palmer has a history of throwing a lot of int’s.
Since 2007:
89 TD’s, 73 int’s.
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Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
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Awesome!!!! only it was 7 years ago, smh unless he finds prof peabody and jumps in the way back machine we could be in trouble.
Recent history last 19 starts 30 picks 8 returned for touch downs
February 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
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Reminds me of you, quoting Al Davis stats, of 30 years ago.
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Only because you are back to your habit of posting the same thing over and over and over ad nauseum.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
GG Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Check this out btw…
http://www.profootballfocus.com/blog/2012/01/31/pressure-and-the-2011-quarterbacks/
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Interesting info, thanks.
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Good article, thanks GG.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
I’m not going to discuss this with you because your minds are made up.I’m just pointing out that he threw 16 ints in 9 games and 6 of those were thrown in 2 games he shouldn’t have been on the field=missed used,while Wimbley had very little production and is given a pass because he was misused in the same peoples minds who criticize Palmer.Seems a little hypocritical to me.BTW,I wish he’d throw less ints also,but when you are throwing the ball all over the park,they will happen-especially when your WRs fall down(Ford) or run the wrong routes.
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again i never gave wimbly a pass, i feel that seymore kelly and huff are bigger problems than wimbly.
You were not addressing “some people” you were addressing me.
If you say 6 picks shouldnt count because he was rusty, how do you explain the bad reads and poor throws later in the year? If dbs could catch palmer would have ended with a mind numbing 30 picks in 9 games!!! 24 if you excuse his first 6.
please these excuses are simultaneously sad and laughable
February 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Lefty
This season aside, Palmer has a history of throwing a lot of int’s.
Since 2007:
89 TD’s, 73 int’s.
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Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
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Awesome!!!! only it was 7 years ago, smh unless he finds prof peabody and jumps in the way back machine we could be in trouble.
Recent history last 19 starts 30 picks 8 returned for touch downs
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You are right but to me at least it is a little disingenuous when the two years prior to his breakdown Palmer threw 60 TD’s and only 25 picks. That’s pretty damn good. To just leave that out, seems a little short sighted.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
Lefty
This season aside, Palmer has a history of throwing a lot of int’s.
Since 2007:
89 TD’s, 73 int’s.
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Carson Palmer 2005 68% completion percentage 32TD’s 12 Int’s
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Awesome!!!! only it was 7 years ago, smh unless he finds prof peabody and jumps in the way back machine we could be in trouble.
Recent history last 19 starts 30 picks 8 returned for touch downs
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You are right but to me at least it is a little disingenuous when the two years prior to his breakdown Palmer threw 60 TD’s and only 25 picks. That’s pretty damn good. To just leave that out, seems a little short sighted.
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we would all love to see palmer shake off his recent history and make a triumphant comeback to his 2005 form. hell, he doesnt even need to do that just be serviceable and take care of the ball
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Only because you are back to your habit of posting the same thing over and over and over ad nauseum.
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“You can’t handle the truth”
-Col. Nathan R. Jessup
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Carson Palmer had Ocho Cinco. Ocho Cinco was a “premier” WR playing with Palmer. 85 was lucky he was even activated for the Super Bowl last week. TO had an almost 1000 yard year playing with Palmer last year. He didn’t even get a sniff. Most guys in the league attribute the success of those two players more to Palmer than to their talents obviously.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
You give Wimbley a pass because you don’t feel he was used correctly,but you despise Palmer because he was thrown to the wolves when he wasn’t properly prepared due to little-no practice 2 weeks in a row where he threw almost half of the ints you complain about.OK.
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6 ints in the 1st 2 games. 37.5%
4 ints against GB 25%
Palmer needs to manage the game and make the throws, which he can do in spades.
Get an average D and win a lot of games.
A top 10 D combined with a healthy O and we can be deep in the playoffs.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
The biggest problem our Defense has (and has had 4 years) is the Al Davis defense scheme and management.
There’s a number of things that play into this but it all boils down to this: Al Davis ran the D, the coaches had less say in the scheme. Since the D players all got paid by Al, and paid mightly handsomely I might add, they answered to Al. I think a LOT of them KNEW that ancient scheme and management plan was doomed to fail and this led to numerous problems. One is accountability, another is discipline and the other is the talent was often not used correctly. Al’s plan was always to get the best atheletes and let them win the battle. Worked great about 2-3 decades ago. Last few not so much.
So Al placed too much emphasis (and $$$) on a few athletes playing an outdated scheme. It’s why we could play good even great for a few quarters then get mauled in the second half/late in the game when the OCoord figured it out. This also led to problems with depth. Howtf is Hiram Eugene paid $3-4mil a year? As a backup safety/ST guy? Bottom line is defense is a LOT about “want-to” and I don’t think our guys and the guys we brought in as FAs really wanted to gut it out.
There is a sea-change afoot, one long overdue, that will pay huge dividends. A proper talent evaluator/drafter/salary value staff who actually consults with the coaches on who is a good fit, and who isn’t. How to stock up on young guys who can come in and contribute (depth).
This may take some time, and it doesn’t gurantee a SupaBo but at least now we have a shot at competing. Haven’t felt that way since Gruden got traded. And whotf TRADES Jon Gruden at the apex of his career/work in progress?
Go Raiders!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Only because you are back to your habit of posting the same thing over and over and over ad nauseum.
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“You can’t handle the truth”
-Col. Nathan R. Jessup
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No, you are just manipulating statistics. Here let me demonstrate: his last three years in the league Emmit Smith ran for a little over 2000 yards total. Or roughly 700 yards a season. How good could Emmitt be?
February 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
Players know football is a violent game. That’s why they make the big bucks. Nobody is being forced to play in the NFL. They get well rewarded financially. If they continue to remove the violence from the game all that will be left is a sport with the excitement of Baseball (Yawn). I just hope they don’t continue on with this trend otherwise real football will be a thing of the past – a distant memory.
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The safety rules are obnoxious, but necessary. The NFL has two main concerns:
1) Older players becoming physically and mentally broken down. Johnny Unitas couldn’t grip a football by the end of his life. Lyle Alzado died of cancer brought on (in his opinion) by megadoses of HGH during his attempted comeback. Mike Webster died living under bridges and in bus stops. Dave Duerson shot himself in the chest because he couldn’t handle the dementia. Earl Campbell can barely walk. Dave Pear is in near-constant agony. The NFL hates seeing these stories in the news and is trying stop them from occurring to this generation.
2) Players are bigger and faster than ever every year. Goodell is terrified of a marquee player such as Manning or Brady get killed on the field. If that ever DID happen, Congress would clamp down in about 30 seconds and make our favorite sport unrecognizable.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
JLofty
So everything I’ve been saying about Al for the last 7 years was right, eh. Thank-you.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Just read that Dakota’s neighbors on the Pine Ridge Res are suing Anheuser-Busch to the tune of $500 million for its contribution to the rampant acoholism on the res.
Imagine if NFL patrons developed a class-action suit against that brewer for foisting its pizz-poor product on fans at $12 a cup.
Raider on.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
36.Zymurge Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
> raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
1 Ken Stabler 2,481 1,486 59.9 19,078 150 143
2 Rich Gannon 2,448 1,533 62.6 17,585 114 50
3 Daryle Lamonica 2,248 1,138 50.6 16,655 148 115
4 Jim Plunkett 1,697 960 56.6 12,665 80 81
Stabler had 150 td to 143 picks. ouch!
Gannon 114 td to 50 picks. amazing.
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That’s apples to rutabagas. Completely different eras of offense in the NFL.
Gannon was excellent in a dink and dunk WCO variant that relied on quick decision making, spread offenses to expose defensive holes, and letting the WR do most of the work after the catch.
Stabler played in the prototypical Al Davis fashion of run hard and then throw deep. The types of throws were by definition high risk, high reward. If you want one stat that illustrates that, look at the per attempt stats to see the payoff:
Stabler – 7.69 yds/att, 0.060 TD/att
Gannon – 7.18 yds/att, 0.047 TD/att
Stabler was ultimately more effective at what matters each time he threw the ball: gaining yards and scoring points.
One difference that in my opinion separates them is that Stabler would have done very well in Gannon’s system. He had the smarts, the reads and enough mobility (even after his knees disintegrated on him) to make that work. I don’t think that Gannon would have done well in Stabler’s system though, which is somewhat proven by his journeyman failed starter status on several other teams until he was matched with a system made for his skills.
That said, as a long time Raiders diehard, I watched and loved ‘em both. But in the end, Stabler is in my mind a HOFers and Gannon is not.
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Zymurge, you are correct.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Wimbley and Kelly are a lot like Routt. Slightly above-average players who are making way, way too much money.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
No, you are just manipulating statistics. Here let me demonstrate: his last three years in the league Emmit Smith ran for a little over 2000 yards total. Or roughly 700 yards a season. How good could Emmitt be?
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eh??????
February 10th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Maybe Kell, you did yourself disservice with your style and tact. Like background noise. It’s not fun to listen to, gets old, and lets face it, sports and being a fan is supposed to be fun…
February 10th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Just wrote these b*tching rhymes while pinching out a monster deuce.
Wrecks in effects
got the geriatric blues
my diapers too full
and and i’m p*ssing on my shoes
word to your mother
February 10th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Now you’re getting the hang of it Kell.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Carson Palmer had Ocho Cinco. Ocho Cinco was a “premier” WR playing with Palmer. 85 was lucky he was even activated for the Super Bowl last week. TO had an almost 1000 yard year playing with Palmer last year. He didn’t even get a sniff. Most guys in the league attribute the success of those two players more to Palmer than to their talents obviously.
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anybody that questions palmers talent is a fool, and doesnt know football.
The question with palmer is decision making and mental toughness, & leadership.
He must improve in those areas or we have no shot
February 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:23 pm
The younger fans unfortunately didn’t have the opportunity to see what us older fans now call real football. The game has really changed. The players have really changed both physically and skill-wise.
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Great post! Also, the equipment has changed considerably. Lighter, stronger and better protection. Probably the helmets have improved more than any other piece.
That improvement lets players go a lot harder with less fear of injuries. On the other hand, they say that’s also why they’ve implemented so many more of the protection rules, specifically around using the head as a weapon. With the old helmets, nobody would ever dream of leading with their skull wrapped in a piece of plastic with crappy rubber padding inside.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Zymurge Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
That improvement lets players go a lot harder with less fear of injuries. On the other hand, they say that’s also why they’ve implemented so many more of the protection rules, specifically around using the head as a weapon. With the old helmets, nobody would ever dream of leading with their skull wrapped in a piece of plastic with crappy rubber padding inside.
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And they’re bigger and faster now, too. Newton’s Second Law says Force = Mass * Acceleration.
If you have a bigger object (or player) moving faster, you’re getting a lot more force delivered. Add to that the findings about concussions, and you can see why the NFL is running scared right now.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
KK,
finding joy in crapping on the elderly might be a way of life for you, but it is both extremely pathetic and the signature of a truly disturbed mind.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
The safety rules are obnoxious, but necessary. The NFL has two main concerns:
1) Older players becoming physically and mentally broken down. Johnny Unitas couldn’t grip a football by the end of his life. Lyle Alzado died of cancer brought on (in his opinion) by megadoses of HGH during his attempted comeback. Mike Webster died living under bridges and in bus stops. Dave Duerson shot himself in the chest because he couldn’t handle the dementia. Earl Campbell can barely walk. Dave Pear is in near-constant agony. The NFL hates seeing these stories in the news and is trying stop them from occurring to this generation.
2) Players are bigger and faster than ever every year. Goodell is terrified of a marquee player such as Manning or Brady get killed on the field. If that ever DID happen, Congress would clamp down in about 30 seconds and make our favorite sport unrecognizable.
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Of course, you are correct. I do understand the points you are making and no doubt they will continue. I think my point was it really is unfortunate that today’s fans didn’t get to participate in and watch football of old. It truly was a different game. If today’s athletes, who are much bigger, faster & stronger, played like they did in the old days, there likely would be someone killed eventually. I should also mention that the equipment of today is much better and safer than that used in the old days – probably directly in proportion to likelihood of severe injury resultant of monster sized athletes running into each other at VERY high speed. Nonetheless, watching the old games really was very exciting.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 am
1 Ken Stabler 2,481 1,486 59.9 19,078 150 143
2 Rich Gannon 2,448 1,533 62.6 17,585 114 50
3 Daryle Lamonica 2,248 1,138 50.6 16,655 148 115
4 Jim Plunkett 1,697 960 56.6 12,665 80 81
Stabler had 150 td to 143 picks. ouch!
Gannon 114 td to 50 picks. amazing.
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Of those players only 1 was drafted.
Tom Brady, Peyton Manning, Aaron Rodgers were all drafted by the teams that won a SB.
The Raiders never got their franchise QB via the draft – when they attempted it – it was the biggest bust in history.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
(meaning drafted by the team that they took to the SB – Stabler was our only drafted QB
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
If you go back and look at the great QB’s of Stablers day, Marino, Namath, Bradshaw etc. You’ll notice none of them have the Passer rating numbers of today’s QB’s, even the average ones.
Totally different game, different rules. Back then the Raiders, for example absolutely man-handled WR’s. They’d be arrested today for some of those plays.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
February 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
KK,
finding joy in crapping on the elderly might be a way of life for you, but it is both extremely pathetic and the signature of a truly disturbed mind.
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Stfu dumbass. You know damned well #306 is not me. Is it you, cross-posting my name?
February 10th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
Y’all gonna get an invite for my next raging shuffle board cruise. We gonna do it right with some Barry Manilow and prune juice my nigs!.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
JB, one thing you left out (of a good post) is the advancement of the equipment too.
I remember in my youth (in the 80s mostly) the helmet tech and definately the shoulder pads lept TREMENDOUSLY. Those air bladder helmets led every guy I knew to hit harder and use their helmet/head like a battering ram even more. Same with the pads. I remember the same for lacrosse. When I started the helmets were little more than the old leather deals and were meant solely to protect from the ball hitting you, or from an errant stick. I came from a football background and used to crush dudes with my helmet, get all bloodied up in the ears/face as it wasn’t designed for that. Once the helmets got better the hitting and contact went way up. Double edged sword.
The doctors say the concussion problem was the least when the players wore NO or leather helmets as people were less inclined to smash their skulls into people. That’s mostly true but they obviously didn’t play or watch much rugby, those guys didn’t care.
I now have serious brain injuries and have done a lot of research on the topic. Hoping not to end up like Mike Webster or Duerson….
February 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
If you go back and look at the great QB’s of Stablers day, Marino, Namath, Bradshaw etc. You’ll notice none of them have the Passer rating numbers of today’s QB’s, even the average ones.
Totally different game, different rules. Back then the Raiders, for example absolutely man-handled WR’s. They’d be arrested today for some of those plays.
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LOL.
Especially Jack T.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Those were the days that I miss! But yup…times have changed, and by a lot!!!
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
If you go back and look at the great QB’s of Stablers day, Marino, Namath, Bradshaw etc. You’ll notice none of them have the Passer rating numbers of today’s QB’s, even the average ones.
Totally different game, different rules. Back then the Raiders, for example absolutely man-handled WR’s. They’d be arrested today for some of those plays.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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They’ve changed a lot, and not just in yards. I remember when Doug Williams’ 49% completion percentage was considered a minor, but significant drawback. That kind of percentage these days would get you benched, if not cut.
One of the stats that CAN be used to universally measure a QB’s effectiveness in any era is TD’s vs Interceptions. Notice how Joe Namath (IMHO, the single most overrated QB ever) almost always had more INT’s.
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Sam, Al Davis drafted Kenny Stabler out of Alabama.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
So, Sam, we currently have a QB on our roster that was drafted and the last drafted player by Big AL! Do you think that he will have the tools over the next couple years to become great? Or do you think he will be a wated 3rd round pick?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
*wasted
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
313,RaiderSam,You talkin about JRuss or Todd M?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Duck, Doug Williams was a long ball thrower. Good at it too but he was no Gannon, dink and dunker (who was REALLY good at that).
But it’s always the number of INTs. It’s a lot more WHEN you throw them.
And same for TD’s. The game winning drive TD is huge. Especially in playoffs. Its why Namath was special. That and he was a marketing BOONDOGGLE when the TV age was burgeoning…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
JLofty Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Sam, Al Davis drafted Kenny Stabler out of Alabama.
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In the 2nd round. Eldridge Dickey was out #1, that year. 1968, baby. I had a huge Afro.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:04 pm
The preseason will tell us exactly what big mack and the boys think of pryor. Everything from how much time he sees on the field to what kind of offense they run when he is in. Im eager to know what they think
February 10th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
*not always the # of ints. not*
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
So, Sam, we currently have a QB on our roster that was drafted and the last drafted player by Big AL! Do you think that he will have the tools over the next couple years to become great? Or do you think he will be a wated 3rd round pick?
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It depends. The two quarterbacks are a classic drop back QB with a deep arm, and a mobile athlete that may not have the decision making necessary for the WCO that Knapp intends to run. the x-factor is another QB that knows the way this is supposed to be run (Palmer hates it)
The current athletes on this team support a wide open offensive attack, not a ZBS based run /down-and-distance type team. Then again, the Eagles run a WCO and are fairly prolific down the field (at least with DeSean Jackson).
The key is how Knapp and Palmer jell with those 3rd and longs.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Kell I was born in 1968. No mod squad ‘fro for me…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Sam, even though Davis drafted Stabler, stories were that Kenny had a lot of trouble with Al in the early days…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
JLofty Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Sam, even though Davis drafted Stabler, stories were that Kenny had a lot of trouble with Al in the early days…
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Yeah, I don’t know the nature of the problems, but he left the team and went back to Alabama.
MLKjr had been assasinated, Bobby Kennedy had been assasinated. The Black panthers were marching. I had a huge Afro. But at the end of the 68′ pre-season, I had to go with the Alabama boy, over Eldridge Dickey, the first black QB drafted in the 1st round.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
JLofty Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Sam, Al Davis drafted Kenny Stabler out of Alabama.
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In the 2nd round. Eldridge Dickey was out #1, that year. 1968, baby. I had a huge Afro.
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Oscar Gambles fro was off the hook.
Dr J’s stands out in my memory as well.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
Yep, back in the day, boyeee!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
MLKjr had been assasinated, Bobby Kennedy had been assasinated. The Black panthers were marching. I had a huge Afro. But at the end of the 68′ pre-season, I had to go with the Alabama boy, over Eldridge Dickey, the first black QB drafted in the 1st round.
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Well, that Alabama boy was really good.
For all these fuk’n morons quoting stats, how do you measure how much ice a man has in his veins?
You don’t.
You just watch.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
JLofty Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
Sam, even though Davis drafted Stabler, stories were that Kenny had a lot of trouble with Al in the early days…
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Yeah, I don’t know the nature of the problems, but he left the team and went back to Alabama.
MLKjr had been assasinated, Bobby Kennedy had been assasinated. The Black panthers were marching. I had a huge Afro. But at the end of the 68′ pre-season, I had to go with the Alabama boy, over Eldridge Dickey, the first black QB drafted in the 1st round.
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I read Stabler’s “Snake” way way back.
I think it was related to Family, but I’m not certain.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Anyone got the list or link of Raider FA’s?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I don’t know, but he left the team for a whole year. When he came back, Lamonica was still starting, but you could watch Stabler/Blanda talking on the sidelines the whole game.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Kell,
Whenever I mention cake cutters people look at me like I have a hole in my head.
You know what I’m talking about, right?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Sorry, no.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Sam,you don’t know what type of offense Knapp “intends” to run and that Palmer “hates” it.He didn’t try and run a dink and dunk offense with the bust.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:24 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
I don’t know, but he left the team for a whole year. When he came back, Lamonica was still starting, but you could watch Stabler/Blanda talking on the sidelines the whole game.
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Don’t forget to add to that picture Freddy B sitting on his helmet smoking a cigarette. Times have changed.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Back in the day:
Sly and the Family Stone
The Temptations
Big Brother and the Holding Company
Cream
The Chambers Brothers
Bob Dylan
The Supremes
The Four Tops
and KDIA Radio Baby!
February 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Raiders for life Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Anyone got the list or link of Raider FA’s?
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It will take a little effort on your part but start here:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
February 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Really?
I grew up in Oakland, in the era of the big Afro. Guys I knew used to call their Afro combs “cake cutters”.
I think they sort of faded out after folks started using them as weapons and they were not allowed certain places (like schools, etc.)
February 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Raider Players sitting on their helmets, got Shanahan fired. Lol
February 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Weren’t Davis’s and Snake’s problem that Kenny wasn’t dedicated enough for Al so he was sent home to get his head on straight?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Ah yeah, Ed Teach, damn.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
uh oh Linsanity is at it again in NY tonite so far.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
my whole family where panthers cake cutters were almost part of the uniform
February 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Could be, Lefty.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Lefty, how far do you go back?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
349.KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Ah yeah, Ed Teach, damn.
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I thought you might remember. I do because some of them were really cool, with pearl handles and long chrome teeth and so forth.
A teacher at either McClymonds or Tech got messed up pretty bad by one once, and the crackdown was on.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER
If you go back and look at the great QB’s of Stablers day, Marino, Namath, Bradshaw etc. You’ll notice none of them have the Passer rating numbers of today’s QB’s, even the average ones.
Totally different game, different rules. Back then the Raiders, for example absolutely man-handled WR’s. They’d be arrested today for some of those plays.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/
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I think the illegal contact penalty had a lot to do with passing numbers going up, obviously, but I think what has just as much to do with it that no one seems to ever credit is the evolution and sophistication of offenses. Receivers don’t just run a 1-9 route any more. All sorts of variations and things called at the line and adjustments made on the fly. More back shoulder throws, etc.
It’s not all about the rules changes that the media harps on.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Weren’t Davis’s and Snake’s problem that Kenny wasn’t dedicated enough for Al so he was sent home to get his head on straight?
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Back in the day we didn’t have Internet, smart phones, Satellite TV, Wikipedia, Google, etc. All there was reporting on what’s happening with the local teams was the Oakland Tribune. Kind of like living in the dark ages compared to today’s capabilities & instant gratification. How did we ever survive? No cell phones, no answering machines, no voicemail, no e-mail, 4 channels on TV – the horror! LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
351.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
my whole family where panthers cake cutters were almost part of the uniform
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There you go. Hadn’t thought about those in years, until the big Afro comment earlier.
Nice to know somebody else remembers ‘em.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Kell, I’ve been a Raider fan since the good ole days. Back when Schroeder was throwing bombs to Willie and Bo was running over fools. I wish those days would return.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Speaking of great musicians, Standing in the Shadows of Motown, the Funk Brothers. I watch the documentary at least once a year.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
The first game I attended: Lamonica was QB, John Rauch was HC. Think it was 65 or 66.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
I think the illegal contact penalty had a lot to do with passing numbers going up, obviously, but I think what has just as much to do with it that no one seems to ever credit is the evolution and sophistication of offenses. Receivers don’t just run a 1-9 route any more. All sorts of variations and things called at the line and adjustments made on the fly. More back shoulder throws, etc.
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Yeah, that too. But, i would also say the rules influence the game, towards offense.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
66′
February 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Speaking of giving up a lot for a quarterback;
Did anyone know that Al Davis traded Art Powell AND Tom Flores to the Bills for Daryle Lamonica? Lamonica wasn’t even a starter; he was Jack Kemp’s backup in Bufalo.
True story.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Tower of Power
Cold Blood
Sly & the Family Stone
Graham Central Station
Santana
Remember those, Bay Area guys?
February 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
I still smile when I hear TOP, Kell.
Saw them in Tahoe a few years back. Great show.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Back then a beer, 3 hot dogs & a bag of peanuts was less than $10 at the Coliseum. Today that combination is about $40. Parking was around $3.50 while today it’s $35. I don’t recall what my season tickets cost then but today it’s $3,000. I guess someone has to fund those big buck salaries.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Have a good night Nation!~
February 10th, 2012 at 5:43 pm
Edward Teach Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:40 pm
Speaking of giving up a lot for a quarterback;
Did anyone know that Al Davis traded Art Powell AND Tom Flores to the Bills for Daryle Lamonica? Lamonica wasn’t even a starter; he was Jack Kemp’s backup in Bufalo.
True story.
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Yep. Powell, a big fast guy, caught da Bomb! They replaced him with Warren Wells
February 10th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
366. Except with a salary cap we’re going to pay the same amount no matter how they distribute it amongst players…
February 10th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Lefty, I thought you went back further.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
For those still kvetching about over paying for Palmer please see the Ditka for Ricky Williams deal…:)
RNS on FB
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Best raider QB since Gannon
February 10th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Raider Players sitting on their helmets, got Shanahan fired. Lol
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I think he got fired because he wouldn’t let them sit on their helmets, among other things.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
What, ya’ll don’t think I was the best since Ganon? WTF, I needed better coachin, that simple.
Sincerely,
Chosen one, JaRu.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
And as we go down memory lane, let’s not forget the world’s BEST ALL TIME ANNOUNCER – Bill King! Absolutely the best ever at what he did.
“It’s a Ball-Me evening here at the Coliseum”. “Holy Toledo”!
I guess you just had to be there.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Kell, you ever kiss a tranny? I accidently did the other night when I was drunk on MGD. It was almost a Crying Game situation, LOL.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Yep, Bill King.
Later Gents.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
JaRu Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
What, ya’ll don’t think I was the best since Ganon? WTF, I needed better coachin, that simple.
Sincerely,
Chosen one, JaRu.
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In the old days, the team would have just taken JaLoser inside and beat the schit out of him & tell him to shape up. Alzedo or Mutuzak would have banged him up alongside the head to get his attention.
February 10th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:54 pm
Kell, you ever kiss a tranny? I accidently did the other night when I was drunk on MGD. It was almost a Crying Game situation, LOL.
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No,…I never actually kissed one….????
February 10th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Who wants the days of Schroeder?
We need to win SB’s. This organization needs to get back with the Elite. That’s why Reggie came here. The moment we got him, everything is different, more professional, Normal.
Everyone seems to be on board with the coaching staff, QB, and we know it will take a minute for the Defense. Where Al overspent, Reggie will find FA gems, and undrafted FA Gems.
It’s a little foreign to most of us who have followed this team. Some of you still aren’t on board yet but we will hold a spot on the Bandwagon when we win the Division next year.
For me still, the big decision is what to do with Dmac………
February 10th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
For me still, the big decision is what to do with Dmac………
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This one is a head scratcher.. Surely the most valuable trade bait we have. It really will come down to the direction RMK will take, and a bold statement will made if he’s traded. My personal preference is keep DMAC and franchise Bush, and have arguably the best running back tandem in the NFL.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
Plunk, what would you do if a really hot tranny was coming on to you. Say you couldn’t tell the difference.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Too injury prone, most value we would get would be trade him now.
“If” he is healthy, we are a dangerous group. But Top RB’s don’t last and don’t win SB’s lately. He is my favorite player, not an easy decision.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Quit Trolling Lefty12 you schmuck. Take that BS somewhere else. You are not welcome here.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
303Raider Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:23 pm
Too injury prone, most value we would get would be trade him now.
“If” he is healthy, we are a dangerous group. But Top RB’s don’t last and don’t win SB’s lately. He is my favorite player, not an easy decision.
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You are correct that he’ll probably never be worth more than today. And if all you can get for him is a 2nd round pick, I’d say keep him. When he’s healthy, he one of the best in the NFL. I’d rather have him for 8-10 games wreaking havoc than taking some unproven 2nd round pick. The draft is still a crapshoot. DMAC is a sure thing when he can play. As they say, 60% of something is better than 100% of nothing. It’s not like Bush is a starter. He’s already proven that he’s best as the #2 RB. He didn’t average more than a 1.5 yds/carry in the last 4-5 games. He was out of gas. If we lose DMac we are screwed in the running game.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:31 pm
Meanwhile, the last OC job (Bucs) just got filled, which means Hue’s down to QB or WR coach positions now.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:32 pm
I’m down with keeping DMAC for 2012.
I understand both sides of the argument.
I want to see what this O is capable of with all weapons on board.
If DMAC flames to injury again, I’d trade Him in 2013.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I can’t remember the year but one game the Raiders were getting smoked (I think to the Steelers) and they brought Lamonica in late in the game (this might of been 1971 or so) and I think it was 31-0. The final score was 31-28 and I have never seen before or since so many long throws in the air (not run after catch) in such a short time period. WW and FB were the main targets. This bolstered the legend of the mad bomber. While many here do not like CP. I think its cool he took that number (Lamonica’s #3). Being from California that is not a coincidence.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
Good plan Len. From your lips to Reggie’s ear. Write it down.
NOTICE: #20 DMac jerseys will be good for next year’s season.
Not sure my #92 will be though.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Good take JB. What if we could get a mid-late 1st for him?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Goodnight everyone. JB, that really did happen LOL.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:38 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I can’t remember the year but one game the Raiders were getting smoked (I think to the Steelers) and they brought Lamonica in late in the game (this might of been 1971 or so) and I think it was 31-0. The final score was 31-28 and I have never seen before or since so many long throws in the air (not run after catch) in such a short time period. WW and FB were the main targets. This bolstered the legend of the mad bomber. While many here do not like CP. I think its cool he took that number (Lamonica’s #3). Being from California that is not a coincidence.
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Had to be 66 or 67. I agree with your comment about Palmer taking #3. I too have an authentic Black #3 jersey. only got to wear it twice but hope it will see a lot of action next year. My White #92 may stay in the closet.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:42 pm
303Raider Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:36 pm
Good take JB. What if we could get a mid-late 1st for him?
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That’s above my pay grade type decision. I always like to be more conservative and stay with the sure thing. Besides, Reggie says his strength is being able to find the sleepers. Those guys usually come from the 4th, 5th, & 6th rounds. See D-WOW as an example. Brady was a 6th round. Coleston was a 7th rounder. Let’s see what magic Reggie can work while we watch DMac fool everybody and play the whole season. I have no doubt that if he did, he’d also win the top RB stats result.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
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February 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
caplannfl Adam Caplan
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Maybe sparks will be flying the day before St. Patrick’s day.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I can’t imagine getting rid of Wimbley. The cap hit would be bad, and we need skilled pass rushers (which Wimbley certainly is).
February 10th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I can’t imagine getting rid of Wimbley. The cap hit would be bad, and we need skilled pass rushers (which Wimbley certainly is).
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I would venture a guess that the 11 mil is one of the “out of whack” contracts.
Maybe they restructure?
February 10th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:43 pm
caplannfl Adam Caplan
On Kamerion Wimbley, $6.5 million of his $11 M salary is guaranteed. The remaining portion is guaranteed on Mar. 17.
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Maybe sparks will be flying the day before St. Patrick’s day.
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Ya,
I know Huff is do a roster bonus about that time, as well as (now) Wimbley.
February 10th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
Play Wimbley at DE or in a 3-4 with Shonasty @ RDE & Wimbley at ROLB. Have Seymour at LDE with newly acquired FA Anthony Spencer (Dal) at LOLB, Curry & RoMac as ILB and newly acquired FA Paul Soliai (Mia) or Aubrayo Franklin (NO) at NT. This, IMO, would be an excellent front 7 D start.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Jerry Mac spits hot truth.
Reggie Mac doin’ work.
Great times in the Nation!
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Word
February 10th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
100.Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Jlofty….Palmer is a quitter and a turnover machine….he isn’t a leader and is a spoiled rich boy who never won a title in his life….and never will too….we already lost draft picks so what would we be losing? Financial? Who gives a damn…we get piece of mind…guy ain’t good he is awful
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Palmer is not the best Raider QB ever but he’s the best QB in the NFL ever…PERIOD!
He doesn’t need playoff wins to validate his greatness.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
#400,
My post intentionally made no sense.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
redshirt Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:01 pm
SilverNBlackPA Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Jerry Mac spits hot truth.
Reggie Mac doin’ work.
Great times in the Nation!
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Word
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I’ll pass. Severely downgrading the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball and cutting our best, albeit overpaid CB, is not exactly the stuff b0ners are made of.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:08 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:34 pm
I can’t remember the year but one game the Raiders were getting smoked (I think to the Steelers) and they brought Lamonica in late in the game (this might of been 1971 or so) and I think it was 31-0. The final score was 31-28 and I have never seen before or since so many long throws in the air (not run after catch) in such a short time period. WW and FB were the main targets. This bolstered the legend of the mad bomber. While many here do not like CP. I think its cool he took that number (Lamonica’s #3). Being from California that is not a coincidence.
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Had to be 66 or 67. I agree with your comment about Palmer taking #3. I too have an authentic Black #3 jersey. only got to wear it twice but hope it will see a lot of action next year. My White #92 may stay in the closet.
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It turns out it was opening game 1972. Stabler was ineffective and pulled, then Blanda then finally in the 4th they went to Lamonica. He was 8-10 for 172 yards and 3TDs in 4th Qtr. The Raiders were down 27-7 and lost 34-28.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
Meanwhile on Twitter, “Raider Nation” is reporting that Reggie Mac’s made re-signing Tyvon a priority. Good.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
The mad bomber…I wasn’t a fan yet back in 72, but seen film on it! Man…Lominica truly earned that nick name!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Sorry, just came back in…Sam, Mistic…thanks! I agree with your posts on whether Pryor will have it or not!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
I just can’t get off this game in 72 – Lamonica did this against the Iron Curtain Defense that shut down both Stabler and Blanda that game. I mean that Def is full of HOF players. This was the year of the immaculate non reception later in the playoffs that year. If Lamonica could of somehow brought back Oakland that day it would have likely led Oakland to home field advantage for that infamous playoff game.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:23 pm
# Marks hair Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
Everybody old or overpaid is on notice
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Yep! I think Huff and Kelly are gone! They will try and restructure down Wimbley, he is still young and in great shape and a good pass rusher. He needs to play as the full time RDE and just focus on getting to the passer and causing disruption in the backfield.
Seymour may stay if he restructures down again.
By getting rid of Kelly, they will be able to bring Houston back inside to his natural position as the 3 technique DT who causes disruption and plays aggressive and low versus the run.
Dez Bryant will get more snaps also inside and he can rotate to the RDE spot as well at times.
Then they can draft another 2 gap, strong, physical DT to back up those guys and eventually replace Seymour Butts in the middle rounds.
I think Branch will be staying put here.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
# RaiderDuck Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I can’t imagine getting rid of Wimbley. The cap hit would be bad, and we need skilled pass rushers (which Wimbley certainly is).
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Exactly. The cap hit will be bad if we cut Wimbley. They need to restructure his contract and keep him.
He is a pass rusher that Allen and Tarver will be needing.
Huff is gone IMO.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Would like to bring Charles Woodson back as a safety. Maybe Reggie can work a trade or two.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
they went and hired best trainers they could find= not getting rid dmac
February 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Off topic…………
J Lin goes for 39 against the Lakers in a Knick win.
LOL
February 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
I too would like to see C-Wood come back for his swan song, but…I doubt it!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Off topic…………
J Lin goes for 39 against the Lakers in a Knick win.
LOL
Yeah, but the Knicks can’t shoot FT, which made it closer then it looked!
February 10th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Gannon was schit compared to Stabler and Plunkett…….pro sports is about winning titles…Gannon never win a title….Paradise you just like coward football because you identify with cowards
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Bullschit. Gannon and Gruden jointly did what Davis didn’t have the balls to do: they enforced discipline and accountability. An above average quarterback and a great leader.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:48 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
Off topic…………
J Lin goes for 39 against the Lakers in a Knick win.
LOL
Yeah, but the Knicks can’t shoot FT, which made it closer then it looked!
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If you say so Hwnrdr, I didn’t watch the game, just glad that Lin got off and the Lakers lost! Hahaha
February 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Down the stretch, the KNicks missed like 8 FTs…so…
February 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
hahaha….congrats to the Asian Sensation…I admit it. I actually watched the entire game tonite. Kid was on fire. I think Kobe knows who he is now after all that smack talk. Gotta love team play on the Knicks now.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:07 pm
I’ll pass. Severely downgrading the coaching staff on the offensive side of the ball and cutting our best, albeit overpaid CB, is not exactly the stuff b0ners are made of.
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If Routt was the Raiders “best corner” it can be little wonder why the defense sucked so bad last year. The guy is aptly named! It’s evident the guy couldn’t cover my mother and she’s been dead four years now!
I called Ole’Stan “toast” because the guy was burnt more than any loaf of bread ever dreamed it could be burnt.
Greatest call so far of the “new” coaching staff by far. Oh, and don’t look for any pics of Ole’ Denny getting a pedicure anytime soon.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
Down the stretch, the KNicks missed like 8 FTs…so…
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Well I wish they’d have made em.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
Raidernation Dave,
You nailed it on #419.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I said earlier we should Monta for Lin.
I was half-joking earlier, I am not anymore.
Obviously that would be admitting a mistake, but damn that dude understands how to play the point!!!
Plays D, and has good size.
And yet, we kept Ish Smith on the roster instead, SMFH
February 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
Would like to bring Charles Woodson back as a safety. Maybe Reggie can work a trade or two
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Absolutely. We should do that one.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:56 pm
Hey J Hill, how about that sequence with Fish from the corner?
Horribly misses one 3, gets it back and than clanks it off the side of the backboard, lol.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
I said earlier we should Monta for Lin.
I was half-joking earlier, I am not anymore.
Obviously that would be admitting a mistake, but damn that dude understands how to play the point!!!
Plays D, and has good size.
And yet, we kept Ish Smith on the roster instead, SMFH
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Because we are the Warriors. The last guy on our roster to make the allstars was Latrell Sprewell. We dont know how to keep talent here. I could go on and on about the W’s. We are cursed.
February 10th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Again, tell me why Lin was released by The W’s? Hometown, his favorite team, and I know it was for salary room to sign someone else, but…you have to admit, Linsanity would have been better here in the Bay then in NY!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
Seriously…Latrell Sprewell was the last Warriors All Star???
February 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
It was fun to watch TEAM BALL again. The NBA falls into too much superstar one on one. Look at Kobe. He gets teh ball, hogs it and everyone is standing around watching him. There’s absolutely no movement at all.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
Yes, it was Latrell according to Greg Pappa yesterday on the radio….15 yrs ago.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Before or after choking out PJ? LOL…but yeah, since I’ve been in the Bay…Antoine Jamison, J-Rich..man…everyone leaves! Kinda like the A’s…Lew Wolff ain’t part of the ownership is he?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Unfortunately for Linsanity, Carmelo will be back soon, to run the iso, ball-hogging offense that took them to a losing record.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Later Fellas
Go Raiders
Go Lin
February 10th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Unfortunately for Linsanity, Carmelo will be back soon, to run the iso, ball-hogging offense that took them to a losing record.
I heard Melo will be coming off the bench!
February 10th, 2012 at 8:06 pm
They should package Melo and something else for Howard.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
Saw these posts and thought they were hilarious…
Lin you are the Man in New York can probably bang any chick in new york right now, just stay away from Kim Kardasian she will RUIN YOU.
once you go yellow, who needs carmelo?
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Did you see the Yellow Mamba sign?
I wasn’t sure if that was very racially sensitive.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I dont mind yellow mamba.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
423,wood love to bring back CWood,no pun intended.That could be our all Pro Safety,loves to come up vs the run,Yup,Cmon Reggie.
February 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
436.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Did you see the Yellow Mamba sign?
I wasn’t sure if that was very racially sensitive.
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I found the “Slope is Dope” t-shirts quite disconcerting.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:00 pm
Didn’t see the game, JFB.
My boy was telling me Gasoft for Deron Williams is in play.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:07 pm
Sterling Moore making plays in crunch time in the AFC Championship and in the Super Bowl.
That is the value that should have been kept on the roster
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
The first time everybody sees the Raiders in the field in 2012, they are gonna freak out and be very afraid of what’s comin at ‘em.
We have young, sharp, aggressive minds that are gonna put a team out there that’ll shock,surprise and frighten the media and the opposing teams and their fans.
Book it.
February 10th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
DJOHNNYG,GOOD EVENING.THE RAIDER ORGANISATION NOW HAS ENERGY.NO ONE KNOWS HOW THINGS WILL TURN OUT,BUT INTERESTING IT WILL BE TO SAY THE LEAST..
February 10th, 2012 at 10:06 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Reggie is going to hitch his wagon to a team of players, not a team of names.
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Depends on who he drafts…that strategy worked for Belicheck..up to a point.
you will need “play makers” not players or names. If a guy distinguishes himself as a “playmaker” during training camp and gets better as the season goes on, great.
Jacksonville also tried that strategy…that worked, until the big play had to be made, and Gabbert couldn’t deliver. Think Belicheck could’ve used Randy Moss or T.O. on Super Bowl Sunday?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
The first time everybody sees the Raiders in the field in 2012, they are gonna freak out and be very afraid of what’s comin at ‘em.
We have young, sharp, aggressive minds that are gonna put a team out there that’ll shock,surprise and frighten the media and the opposing teams and their fans.
Book it.
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You are such a worm with that thinking.
Listen to you. You are celebrating as something new, that every other team has been doing all along. All teams have a GM. All teams have a HC. Because we got a GM, who has zero experience, you all of a sudden think teams, the fans, and the media are now scared? Look at all the inexperience from the owner down.
What, exactly, does anyone have to fear that isn’t going on in other teams, with much more experience?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
Hey DIRTLOT.
Yes, we don’t know for sure, but here’s why I think we are gonna be VERY good:
-The D was so bad it was of historically bad proportions. Stats say it was the worst D since the ‘52 Dallas Texans.
I think it will be a disciplined, attack style D, headed by a hard nosed no nonsense DC and HC. At worst, the D will improve to “average” status.
-The offense: Palmer has a full offseason to work with his receivers who’ll be under the tutelage of the best WR coach in the country. The passing game will vastly improve with a QB who has an “elite” year. Noone doubts Palmer has the tools to be that “elite” guy and he won;t disappoint.
DMAC will be healthy and stay that way with the services of the best trainer in the business. The running game will be scary as well.
The O-Line is already good. It’ll stay that way.
We lost 4 games due to the D and STILL finished 8-8.
We win those 4 we lost last year due to the worst D in the modern football era, and finish…12-4.
I think it makes sense. Plus, we can take a pessimistic view and say it can go the other way, but honestly; CAN THAT DEFENSE GET ANY WORSE?
NO!
12-4.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
He had the great Ochocinco.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
The first time everyone sees the Raiders in ‘12 will have the same qb, the same oline, same receivers, same defense minus a couple of players, pretty much same special teams. No draft picks to fill the holes, and a new inexperienced GM, new inexperienced HC, new inexperienced DC, and a OC who many here hated from his first time around.
Yeah, scary. All the way to 6-10 scary.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
Djohnnyg-it is nice seeing your optimism after reading all your doomsday comments throughout the season.Nothing wrong with hoping for the best instead of the defeatist attitude seen on here so often.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
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You are such a worm with that thinking.
Listen to you. You are celebrating as something new, that every other team has been doing all along. All teams have a GM. All teams have a HC. Because we got a GM, who has zero experience, you all of a sudden think teams, the fans, and the media are now scared? Look at all the inexperience from the owner down.
What, exactly, does anyone have to fear that isn’t going on in other teams, with much more experience?
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No. I’m just choosing to be optimistic.
Why does it bother you so much?
Of course NOONE is scared of us right now. Most will pick Raiders to finish last probably.
I know all the Raiders faults. I watch every game, ruminate about it, analyze it, etc. etc. etc.
I’m just trying to have fun with this. After all, we as fans are supposed to enjoy this game.
Am I being overly optimistic? Of course. Cheerleading? So what.
Interesting as a fellow fan you would refer to someone hoping for big things from his team to be a “worm”.
What’s up with that?
February 10th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Djohnnyg-I doubt we are picked to finish last.We could very well be picked as runner-ups.We know the media will go with SD like they always do and people that know the game know the donkeys won’t get lucky again with Tebow.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
13-3, AFC Championship win. Super Bowl is cloudy.
New sheriff in town is all business.
February 10th, 2012 at 10:48 pm
Reggie will secretly be the assistant head coach. We’re back baby!
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Good to be a cheerleader, but why take the goofy route? We haven’t done anything and you post media, teams, and fans are going to be scared of us?
That’s not optimism, that’s asinine.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Lefty, I have been as critical as anyone as to the Raiders. So disappointed on so many occasions, but we haven’t seen this team play yet. We don’t even know what team will be on the field, or who the players will be, but I don’t see it as a stretch to think that:
-The D will be better. How could it be any worse?
-The offense will be better. It’s safe to assume Palmer, with a full off season etc. will be better.
So, we have a defense that will be better most likely, and an offense that should be better.
Thusly, an 8-8 team that has an improved defense and offense SHOULD be better.
We have a choice. Be all gloom and doom, or be optimistic.
I don’t think optimism is unwarranted.
Let’s have fun with this and allow ourselves a bit of excitement of what might very well be.
I’ve seen stranger things happen.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Jc is gone, you guys should really let it go.
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LMAO!
February 10th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
454.Alex7 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Good to be a cheerleader, but why take the goofy route? We haven’t done anything and you post media, teams, and fans are going to be scared of us?
That’s not optimism, that’s asinine.
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I don’t mean scared in the literal sense. Lighten up man. I mean they will look at us as a team that they don’t want to play. A team they worry will defeat them in a football game becuz we are playing well.
IMO it will turn out that way. I think we’ll get more respect as being a team that is more disciplined; that has alot of talent, and can do some things to hurt them.
You seem so incensed that anyone would dare to think the Raiders will improve.
How dare me.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:20 pm
Palmer with a full offseason, healthy Ford, Dmoore, DHB, and most of all DMAC + an improved defense even if just from the improved coaching + less penalties = a better season.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
Djohnnyg-I agree,why not be optimistic,that is what fans do during the off-season and the pre-season.I agree with what you are saying.I would add,we’ll have a better coaching staff too.
TSR-that is a pretty funny comment considering the source.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:23 pm
This blog is so full of hypocrisy and bigotry, it’s pathetic, Lefty. That particular character ranks up there with the worst of them.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
Half of these people are rooting against certain players just to prove a point.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
437.aig-raiders Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I dont mind yellow mamba.
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i actually like the rasberry and strawberry mambas better.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
TSR,you got that right.Just like half of them are claiming we are doomed because they don’t like the coaching staff since ‘their’ choices weren’t hired.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
No, you are just manipulating statistics. Here let me demonstrate: his last three years in the league Emmit Smith ran for a little over 2000 yards total. Or roughly 700 yards a season. How good could Emmitt be?
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eh??????
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Uh, yeah. I didn’t think you would get it. Someone who just reposts the exact same thing over and over and over and over and over and over probably wouldn’t get it. Unless I post the same facts over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over….
February 10th, 2012 at 11:43 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
436.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Did you see the Yellow Mamba sign?
I wasn’t sure if that was very racially sensitive.
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I found the “Slope is Dope” t-shirts quite disconcerting.
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Be careful what you say, that feller Kool Kell might tell on you and try to have you suspended.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
I truly think there are some here who “fake” being Raider fans.
They hate the team and org. so much they come here in hopes of getting in an argument and look out for any “happy” posts in order to try and cause some misery.
Instead of feeling miserable when an opposing QB goes 98 yds. to beat us, they are elated and then jump on here and for some odd reason, they are in this “we’ll be fine” mood, or “i told u so” mode.
When I come in and blast away it’s becuz I am upset, disappointed, and jilted. Angry at being let down.
Not mentioning any names as I think their behavior speaks for itself in this regard.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
KK is against racist comments and good for him.They have no place on this forum.
February 10th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Dj-there are more than a few or there are a couple who have numerous usernames.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:04 am
djohnnyg Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:47 pm
I truly think there are some here who “fake” being Raider fans.
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DUH! There are a ton of posters who come here trying to sabotage what we are doing. They’re Whiners, Cheats, Bunco’s and Dischargers. It is obvious. Just don’t fall for their BS.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:12 am
Lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
KK is against racist comments and good for him.They have no place on this forum.
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Amen.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:15 am
Alex7 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
The first time everybody sees the Raiders in the field in 2012, they are gonna freak out and be very afraid of what’s comin at ‘em.
We have young, sharp, aggressive minds that are gonna put a team out there that’ll shock,surprise and frighten the media and the opposing teams and their fans.
Book it.
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You are such a worm with that thinking.
Listen to you. You are celebrating as something new, that every other team has been doing all along. All teams have a GM. All teams have a HC. Because we got a GM, who has zero experience, you all of a sudden think teams, the fans, and the media are now scared? Look at all the inexperience from the owner down.
What, exactly, does anyone have to fear that isn’t going on in other teams, with much more experience?
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Other teams will lose free agents, draft players or busts. I was just reading that the Jets had to stick with Wayne Hunter instead of cutting him because 2nd round pick Vladimer Ducasse hadnt developed to take over.
Gruden was inexperienced, Harbaugh was, those two situations turned out fine.
to be realistic, a lot of perception from the past tends to cling on to people, and they have to get over that, as does the team – a lot of it is psychological as well.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:20 am
lefty12 Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 11:51 pm
KK is against racist comments and good for him.They have no place on this forum.
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KK is almost as racist as TJPriest was, and you defended him as well.
Guess it’s what you do when you get to be old as the hills.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:23 am
Sam, didn’t say things couldn’t get better. Was saying why go and make silly outlandish predictions about how we’re going to scare people, or kick azz or win the SB.
Also why do so many just kiss the org’s rear? Lefty, TJ, few others, matters not at all if the org makes a mistake, they refuse to call them on it. Just go blindly along, thinking they’re a real fan if they never say anything.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:23 am
All of our hires may not have experience in the jobs they are now being hired into,but they all have extensive experience coaching and teaching.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:30 am
Looks as if Alias is all upset again.He hates it when fans carry on conversations and ignore his hateful views.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:25 am
nice to have saunders back, u can’t fool him
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2012/02/07/SPQD1N3MLF.DTL
February 11th, 2012 at 1:45 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
players that need to be cut …
Boller, Kyle QB 6-3 220 30 8 California $1,250,000
3 Bomar, Rhett QB 6-2 225 26 2 Sam Houston State N/A
8 Campbell, Jason QB 6-5 230 30 7 Auburn $4,500,000
3 Palmer, Carson QB 6-5 235 32 9 USC $11,500,000
6 Pryor, Terrelle QB 6-6 233 22 R Ohio State N/A
Running Backs
Running Backs No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
29 Bush, Michael RB 6-1 245 27 4 Louisville $2,610,000
25 Cartwright, Rock SPTM/RB 5-8 215 32 10 Kansas State $800,000
38 Jackson, Rashawn RB 6-1 239 25 1 Virginia N/A
22 Jones, Taiwan RB/KR 6-0 195 23 R Eastern Washington N/A
20 McFadden, Darren RB 6-2 210 24 4 Arkansas $7,055,000
36 Miller, Lonyae RB 6-0 232 23 1 Fresno State N/A
45 Reece, Marcel FB 6-3 240 26 3 Washington N/A
41 Tonga, Manase FB 5-11 245 27 1 Brigham Young N/A
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends
Wide Receivers/Tight Ends No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
86 Ausberry, David SPTM/TE 6-4 245 24 R USC N/A
87 Boss, Kevin TE 6-6 255 28 5 Western Oregon N/A
12 Ford, Jacoby KR/WR 5-9 185 24 2 Clemson $405,000
82 Gordon, Richard TE 6-4 265 24 R Miami (FL) N/A
85 Heyward-Bey, Darrius WR 6-2 210 24 3 Maryland $1,000,000
84 Houshmandzadeh, T.J. WR 6-2 203 34 11 Oregon State $910,000
14 Jones, Derrick WR 6-1 176 26 R California (PA) N/A
16 McGee, Eddie WR 6-4 210 24 R Illinois N/A
17 Moore, Denarius PR/WR 6-0 195 23 R Tennessee $375,000
18 Murphy, Louis WR 6-2 200 24 3 Florida $480,000
83 Myers, Brandon TE 6-4 250 26 3 Iowa $480,000
81 Schilens, Chaz WR 6-4 225 26 4 San Diego State $555,000
Offensive Line
Offensive Line No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
72 Barksdale, Joseph ROT 6-4 325 23 R LSU N/A
69 Barnes, Khalif ROT 6-5 325 29 7 Washington N/A
74 Campbell, Bruce LOG 6-6 315 23 2 Maryland $405,000
66 Carlisle, Cooper ROG 6-5 295 34 12 Florida $2,500,000
75 Heyer, Stephon LOT 6-6 330 28 5 Maryland $1,700,000
64 Satele, Samson C 6-3 300 27 5 Hawaii N/A
68 Veldheer, Jared LOT 6-8 315 24 2 Hillsdale $405,000
61 Wisniewski, Stefen LOG 6-3 315 22 R Penn State N/A
Defensive Line
Defensive Line No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
95 Brodine, Mason LDE 6-7 255 23 R Nebraska-Kearney N/A
90 Bryant, Desmond RDE 6-5 290 26 3 Harvard N/A
73 Cumbie, Jamie DT 6-7 290 23 R Clemson N/A
72 Davis, Hall DE 6-6 265 24 1 Louisiana-Lafayette N/A
79 Henderson, John RDT 6-7 335 33 10 Tennessee $2,500,000
99 Houston, Lamarr LDE 6-3 305 24 2 Texas $405,000
97 Ivey, Travis DT 6-4 325 25 1 Maryland N/A
93 Kelly, Tommy RDT 6-6 300 31 8 Mississippi State $5,500,000
94 Moss, Jarvis RDE 6-7 260 27 5 Florida $1,250,000
91 Scott, Trevor LDE 6-5 255 27 4 Buffalo $555,000
92 Seymour, Richard LDT 6-6 310 32 11 Georgia $15,000,000
77 Shaughnessy, Matt DE 6-5 270 25 3 Wisconsin $480,000
Linebackers
Linebackers No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
56 Blackstock, Darryl MLB/SPTM 6-3 245 28 5 Virginia N/A
51 Curry, Aaron RLB 6-2 255 25 3 Wake Forest $3,725,000
50 Goethel, Travis LB 6-3 233 24 2 Arizona State N/A
52 Groves, Quentin RLB 6-3 265 27 4 Auburn $555,000
53 Ihenacho, Carl LB 6-3 255 23 1 San Jose State N/A
55 McClain, Rolando MLB 6-3 255 22 2 Alabama $405,000
96 Wimbley, Kamerion LLB 6-4 255 28 6 Florida State N/A
Secondary
Secondary No Player Pos Ht Wt Age Exp College 2011 Salary
30 Boyd, Jerome SS 6-2 225 25 2 Oregon $330,000
33 Branch, Tyvon SS 6-0 205 25 4 Connecticut $555,000
35 Chekwa, Chimdi CB 6-0 190 23 R Ohio State N/A
31 Eugene, Hiram S 6-2 200 31 6 Louisiana Tech N/A
27 Giordano, Matt FS 5-11 210 28 6 California N/A
24 Huff, Michael FS 6-1 205 28 6 Texas N/A
37 Johnson, Chris CB 6-1 200 32 8 Louisville N/A
28 Lambert, Terrail CB 5-11 190 26 1 Notre Dame N/A
32 McCann, Bryan KR/RCB/PR 5-10 186 24 2 Southern Methodist N/A
34 Mitchell, Mike SS 6-1 220 24 3 Ohio $480,000
21 Sheppard, Lito RCB 5-10 194 30 10 Florida N/A
28 Taylor, Curtis S 6-2 210 26 3 LSU N/A
23 Van Dyke, DeMarcus LCB 6-1 180 23 R Miami (FL) N/A
Special Teams
Special Teams No Player
there ..that should about cover it !!
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Why not just start the process as an new team in the Not For Long league?
February 11th, 2012 at 5:37 am
I got to find this guy and hang out with him since we both live in Chicago:
http://www.raiders.com/index.html
February 11th, 2012 at 6:29 am
345.JB Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Raiders for life Says:
February 10th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Anyone got the list or link of Raider FA’s?
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It will take a little effort on your part but start here:
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
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Thanks JB
February 11th, 2012 at 6:41 am
Jason La Canfora
TB denied permission to talk to 49ers DBs coach Ed Donatell for DC job. At least third coordinator prospect to be denied on #insideslant
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So we probably couldn’t have got Donatell either…
February 11th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Apparently the rest of the league thinks Routt can play:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/11/more-teams-lining-up-for-stanford-routt/
February 11th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Apparently the rest of the league thinks Routt can play:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/11/more-teams-lining-up-for-stanford-routt/
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Fine. Let them put up with his constant numbskull penalties.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Hindsight being 20/20 we never should have let aso walk
an pay routt all that money. Now we have neither of them.
Not to say routt was all that. But he was solid. To many penalties for a heavily penalized defense. He was no Nnamdi or woodson but solid. Shouldn’t have overpayed him
oh well shoulda woulda coulda.
Chris Johnson needs to go as well.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:03 am
r8dercain Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Chris Johnson needs to go as well.
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Agreed. He’s had ONE really good year in his career, and a whole lot of mediocre-to-cruddy ones.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I don’t recall the penalties being such an issue before this season. And the reality is the refs are going to flag the Raiders any chance they get, so a DB who can pretty much be flagged for breathing wrong in today’s NFL is going to catch more than his share of calls playing for the Raiders.
Plus Routt does have one of the lowest completion percentages against in the entire league over the last two years. That should count for something.
Routt was overpaid at $10 mil per, no question. Though cutting him only saves us half that I believe. So instead of paying $10 mil for a guy who’s probably a top 10 CB or at least borderline top 10, the Raiders are paying $5 mil for nothing.
It’s just funny that there’s widespread praise on the board now about this move when nobody was clamoring for Routt to be cut a week ago.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:09 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I don’t recall the penalties being such an issue before this season. And the reality is the refs are going to flag the Raiders any chance they get, so a DB who can pretty much be flagged for breathing wrong in today’s NFL is going to catch more than his share of calls playing for the Raiders.
Plus Routt does have one of the lowest completion percentages against in the entire league over the last two years. That should count for something.
Routt was overpaid at $10 mil per, no question. Though cutting him only saves us half that I believe. So instead of paying $10 mil for a guy who’s probably a top 10 CB or at least borderline top 10, the Raiders are paying $5 mil for nothing.
It’s just funny that there’s widespread praise on the board now about this move when nobody was clamoring for Routt to be cut a week ago.
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Again, this cut was partly a statement of intent. Nobody screamed “Overrated sloppy player who got the big $$$ because Al Davis loved him” more than this guy. Cutting him sends a message: It doesn’t matter how much Al loved you, or the cap ramifications, or how much money the team has sunk into you. All that matters, ALL THAT MATTERS, is production on the field. PERIOD.
Frankly, that way of thinking is long overdue. Cold-hearted? Sometimes, sure. But absolutely necessary.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Following up (I wish this blog had an Edit function): John Madden said in one of his books that he never wanted the guy who give you a big play every now and then, but rather the guy who gave you a solid play every time.
That’s exactly what Routt is: The guy who gives you a big play every now and then. We need the other kind.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I don’t recall the penalties being such an issue before this season. And the reality is the refs are going to flag the Raiders any chance they get, so a DB who can pretty much be flagged for breathing wrong in today’s NFL is going to catch more than his share of calls playing for the Raiders.
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While all this may be somewhat true, how come our other corners were thrown at more, and flagged much less?
February 11th, 2012 at 8:17 am
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
What the rest of the League knows is this: Even old, and prone to making some costly personnel mistakes…the great Al Davis could still evaluate talent like few before, during, or after could.
Stan Routt has big-time talent, and he’s going to be a Pro Bowl CB for another team. And, no…that doesn’t mean I wanted to keep him at his $alary, it means he’s not done growing as a DB. Good luck to him.
CJ37 can probably be re-signed for half of last year’s salary. He’d be a relative bargain as insurance… doing what Lito was supposed to do, but better. We’re down one more with Routt, still needing to plug the whole on the other side.
If he still has the legs, give CJ37 the same moneys, meted-out over a longer period. Find some younger DB’s, but keep the good Vet. We NEVER have enough DB’s.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:18 am
On a team with a better DLine an better overall play
routt might not be so badd.
Oh well. On to the the next move. See ya Stan!!
February 11th, 2012 at 8:23 am
It’s really hard to judge routt because of the DLine play. Sometimes they got no pressure at all. Not even on a blitz. DB’s get burnt like that. Too much cover time.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:24 am
It is a great morning to be a Raider fan!!!
February 11th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Though he shouldn’t NEED to cover receivers for more than 4-seconds, there are no excuses for Routt. He’s good at his job, but he was paid to be great. I think he’ll get close to it.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Chris Johnson needs to go. His good days are past him
what UFA DB’s are coming out this yr. Anyone know?
February 11th, 2012 at 8:30 am
I REALLY like the way the coaching staff is shaping-up. Nice mix of younger and older, and super-talented group at all ages.
Instead od being afraid of Knapp2.0, I am becoming more and more intrigued by what he and Saunders will come up with. I have little doubt they will load the playbook with proven plays for these particular players, and designs that maximize the talent individually.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am
An if his good days are past him that means his best days are long gone.
CJ is on his way to retire. Lito gives you better depth.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Routt just never learned the nuances of his position. Maybe that is coaching, but at close to 30 years old, as a DB, he really has about 3-4 years to figure it out, before he is done.
He would have great coverage, and out of nowhere just blatantly yank the receiver down by his shoulder.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:32 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Stan Routt has big-time talent, and he’s going to be a Pro Bowl CB for another team. And, no…that doesn’t mean I wanted to keep him at his $alary, it means he’s not done growing as a DB. Good luck to him.
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He’s 28, which means he should be in his prime right now, not still growing.
There’s going to be quite a culture shock going to another team. Just like Jerry Porter before him, he will find that on his new team, nobody will keep giving him second chances because Al said so. If he keeps committing the dumb penalties and keeps getting burned, he’ll be one-and-done.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Agreed Hayes. I think the offense will still be very exciting. An I still say a full offseason fir CP would really be good. I mean ya he had 16 INT but four were in the KC game he wasn’t sposed to play in. So that leaves 12. So he was 12-12 TD-INT. That’s not bad it considering. I’m intersted to see what time to gel will do for him. Our running is strong
whoever will be back there so. It’s gonna be exciting. Need to overhaul the defense though!
February 11th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Our offense is going to be awesome next year.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:48 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:32 am
There’s going to be quite a culture shock going to another team. Just like Jerry Porter before him, he will find that on his new team, nobody will keep giving him second chances because Al said so. If he keeps committing the dumb penalties and keeps getting burned, he’ll be one-and-done.
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I don’t think this is a fair comparison. Porter was a prima donna and a slacker. Never heard of any attitude issues with Routt, who by all accounts was a solid, team player.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Routt wasn’t worth that big contract. Routt is an above avg CB. He is nothing special. I wish him luck, but we can do better.
Sign Mario Williams!
February 11th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Never heard anything about Routt not being a team player. His problems were the huge contract, PIs, and coverage issues.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Our offense is going to be awesome next year.
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It should be. With Hue, Saunders, Wylie and co. coaching them up and a healthy Palmer and McFadden we were looking at a 30+ ppg offense in 2012.
You would think we’ll at least be close to that level anyway, but a new OC does have the potential to really screw things up by installing a system that doesn’t suit these players. Also, no telling yet what moves RM makes on the offensive side of the ball. It sounds like they want to keep Palmer, but you never know. If Palmer goes in another salary dump and McFadden gets traded for a draft pick this could quickly devolve into about a 15 ppg offense.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I like us to add another vet WR. DHB was our most productive WR, and he is still learning how to play the position (you don’t have to Hop /jump to catch the ball).
Can you imagine adding a WR with size & hands like V Jackson (6′5 230)?
FA wish list:
1- Super Mario
2- Carr/ Finnegan
3- V Jackson
4- T Branch
February 11th, 2012 at 8:58 am
No war they trade/ Cut Palmer & DMAC. Who is going to run the offense? TP & T Jones?
February 11th, 2012 at 8:59 am
No way ……..
February 11th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I rather have V Jackson, Carr, or Finnegan over Routt for 10 million.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Raider O Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:56 am
I like us to add another vet WR. DHB was our most productive WR, and he is still learning how to play the position (you don’t have to Hop /jump to catch the ball).
Can you imagine adding a WR with size & hands like V Jackson (6′5 230)?
FA wish list:
1- Super Mario
2- Carr/ Finnegan
3- V Jackson
4- T Branch
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Doubt Houston will let Mario walk, unless they feel like he’s not a great fit in Phillips’ scheme and would rather use the cash elsewhere. Could happen. Julius Peppers is no longer a Panther, but unlikely.
Not desperate to add another receiver. Let the young guys play, I say. DHB has been improving year after year. Moore has the potential to be a bigtime No. 1. Ford is an extremely dangerous weapon. I even like Murphy and Schilens at a minimum deal to serve as the Nos. 4 and 5. Would just bring in a guy who can fill in at WR on occasion and who’s a special teams ace like David Tyree was with the Giants several years ago. A guy like Derek Hagan, basically, although Hagan is a better WR and not as good of a special teamer as Tyree, but you get the point. No need to add a WR who will take time from the young trio and can’t contribute on special teams.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am
I just hope that the team doesn’t change much if the offense.
But looks like were headed to a ZBS an some variation of the WCO
let’s just hope it’s the GB style WCO. I think CP will do well in that version.
Lots of shotgun in GB offense. An we could be better at it cuz we have a better run game
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Chris In NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:55 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Our offense is going to be awesome next year.
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It should be. With Hue, Saunders, Wylie and co. coaching them up and a healthy Palmer and McFadden we were looking at a 30+ ppg offense in 2012.
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Hue, Wylie and co???
Dude…that’s so 2011ish!
Where u been?
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 am
NO to Vincent Jackson!
NO!
Next time he hiccups wrong in public, he’ll be on a season-long ban. If he was a one-time troublemaker, it’d be one thing…but he’s a guy who finds trouble, and who is more likely to cost his team dearly, as he has in the past.
Losing a VJackson to suspension would affect the WR corps like losing DMC to injury does the RB’s…character questions notwithstanding.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Chris Carr who played here bfore?
February 11th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Raider O Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:58 am
No war they trade/ Cut Palmer & DMAC. Who is going to run the offense? TP & T Jones?
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I would be surprised if RM is dumb enough to do it, but a new GM often = massive change.
To answer your question it’d probably be a Matt Flynn or Jason Campbell type for about half the money due Palmer and maybe a crop of castoffs/undrafted rookie type RBs like Green Bay rolled with in Grant and Starks. Many operate under that philosophy that RBs are a dime a dozen and you don’t need a special one like McFadden anymore.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Looks like the cowpies want route..
February 11th, 2012 at 9:15 am
r8dercain Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Chris Carr who played here bfore?
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LOL. I thought so too at first, but the “Carr” everyone’s referring to is Brandon Carr (no relation) of the Chiefs.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Chris,
It’s hard to predict what Houston will do. They did well without him, they have that guy they drafted in the 2nd round last year, and Mario will demand a huge contract (highest paid DL).
They can spend the money to add another WR, and get a solid backup QB. They can also improve their secondary. At the same time we are talking about Mario Williams, one of the best DL to play the game. 6′6, 290, run, he can play OLB, and he can play every position at the DL. It’s hard to say if they keep him or let him go to have more money to sign more FAs.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Does anyone have the list of free agent dts?
February 11th, 2012 at 9:20 am
I wouldnt mind a carr/porter secondary
February 11th, 2012 at 9:21 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:48 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:32 am
There’s going to be quite a culture shock going to another team. Just like Jerry Porter before him, he will find that on his new team, nobody will keep giving him second chances because Al said so. If he keeps committing the dumb penalties and keeps getting burned, he’ll be one-and-done.
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I don’t think this is a fair comparison. Porter was a prima donna and a slacker. Never heard of any attitude issues with Routt, who by all accounts was a solid, team player.
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He IS a team player, but with the bidding war that will develop over him, he’s going to command Nnamdi/Revis $$$. He got cut SOME slack here because we all watched him grow as a player and a man. The new team and fanbase won’t care about that. They’re going to be paying him Revis/Nnamdi/Deion money and will expect Revis/Nnamdi/Deion production from Day One. And I don’t think Stanford’s capable of playing to that level.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Route will probably get a nice sane offer from the cowpies. So they won’t have to cut him after 1 year.. RIP AL..
February 11th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Chris,
Keep in mind that we are a different team than GB, so you can’t implement here everything you did at GB. They have/ had great QBs, do its easy to say “RBs are a dime a dozen” when you have a good QB. Look at the Ravens, and do you think they will let Rice become a FA. Look at the Titans, Vikings, Bears, Texans, and they Eagles. Are/ were they willing to let go of their best/ only weapon on offense?
February 11th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Nobody but stuip AL thinks route is on the same level as revis, namdi or baily…. Huge waste last yr. Killed us
February 11th, 2012 at 9:29 am
All of AL pie in the sky pay them until they are great contracts will survive… Its a new less stupid day nation!
February 11th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Lol srry NONE of Als stupid contracts will survive
February 11th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Interesting take on how we may approach drafts now
http://www.packers.com/media-center/videos/Packers-draft-strategy/bcb51790-758d-4b19-9be3-28a27e56ee2f
February 11th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Calais Campbell, DE/DT, Cardinals. Age: 26.
You could argue that aside from Justin Smith, Calais Campbell is the best 3-4 defensive end in all of football. Campbell has no weaknesses; he’s a ferocious pass-rusher, he blocks kicks, and he can even drop into coverage pretty well. And he’ll be 25 until Sept. 1.
Paul Soliai, NT, Dolphins. Age: 28.
At 6-4, 355 pounds, Paul Soliai is a monstrous, run-stuffing nose tackle. He made $12.3 million with the franchise tag this season.
Red Bryant, DE/DT, Seahawks. Age: 28.
Red Bryant is a powerful run-stuffer who can play in both the 4-3 and 3-4.
Kendall Langford, DE/DT, Dolphins. Age: 26.
Kendall Langford is a really good, young five-tech who excels in both stopping the run and putting pressure on the quarterback. He’s a key piece of Miami’s 3-4 stop unit who will have to be retained.
Cory Redding, DE/DT, Ravens. Age: 31.
An excellent run-stuffer, Cory Redding can still get to the quarterback on occasion (4.5 sacks in 2011).
Sione Pouha, NT, Jets. Age: 33.
Sione Pouha is one of the top run-stuffers in the NFL, but he turns 33 on Feb. 3. His best days are behind him.
Jason Jones, DT, Titans. Age: 26.
Jason Jones thrived as a defensive tackle in a wide-nine scheme prior to this season. He was moved to defensive end in 2011 and consequently struggled. Jones needs to go to Detroit, Philadelphia or St. Louis this spring.
Sammie Lee Hill (RFA), NT, Lions. Age: 25.
Sammie Hill is a young, skilled run-stuffer who offers decent pass-rushing ability for someone his size (6-4, 330).
Brodrick Bunkley, DT, Broncos. Age: 28.
Brodrick Bunkley had a great year as a run-stuffer, but he offers nothing in the pass-rushing department.
Derek Landri, DT, Eagles. Age: 28.
Derek Landri thrived as a reserve defensive tackle in 2011, getting good pressure on the quarterback and helping shut down the run. Not bad for a guy who was among the final cuts prior to the season.
Antonio Garay, NT, Chargers. Age: 32.
Antonio Garay is no longer the player he once was, but he is still a decent run-stuffer.
Antonio Dixon (RFA), DT, Eagles. Age: 27.
Antonio Dixon functioned as an excellent run-stuffer in 2010, but he missed most of this past year with torn triceps. He’s a poor fit in Jim Washburn’s scheme anyway, so the Eagles might just put a really low tender on him.
Amobi Okoye, DT, Bears. Age: 25.
After being discarded by the Texans, Amobi Okoye found a home with the Bears as a rotational defensive tackle who can pressure the quarterback.
Desmond Bryant (RFA), DE/DT, Raiders. Age: 26.
Desmond Bryant is pretty good in run support. He has the versatility to play in any defense.
Marcus Thomas, DT, Broncos. Age: 26.
Marcus Thomas is good in run support, but doesn’t have a prayer of ever getting to the quarterback.
Kelly Gregg, NT, Chiefs. Age: 35.
Kelly Gregg did a great job stuffing the run early, but wore down as the season went on. He’ll be 36 in November.
Letroy Guion, DT, Vikings. Age: 25.
Letroy Guion is a jack-of-all-trades, master-of-none type of player. He’s a quality rotational lineman, but nothing else.
Gerard Warren, DT, Patriots. Age: 34.
Gerard Warren had a great performance against the Broncos in the playoffs, but he’ll be 34 in July.
Shaun Rogers, NT, Saints. Age: 33.
Shaun Rogers stuffed the run well this past season, but offered nothing in terms of rushing the passer.
Adam Carriker, DE/DT, Redskins. Age: 28.
Adam Carriker can be a solid rotational player in a 3-4 front, but he shouldn’t be a starter going forward.
Phillip Merling, DE/DT, Dolphins. Age: 27.
Phillip Merling could barely do anything this year coming off an Achilles injury. Perhaps he can bounce back and finally live up to his potential next year.
Casey Hampton, NT, Steelers. Age: 34.
I’m listing Casey Hampton as a free agent because he will be a cap casualty. He has a tough task ahead of him as a 35-year-old (on Sept. 3) coming off a torn ACL in early January.
Vance Walker (RFA), DT, Falcons. Age: 25.
Amon Gordon, NT, Chiefs. Age: 30.
Ryan McBean (RFA), DT, Broncos. Age: 28.
Tony Hargrove, DT, Seahawks. Age: 29.
Aubrayo Franklin, NT, Saints. Age: 32.
Tommie Harris, DT, Chargers. Age: 29.
Rocky Bernard, DT, Giants. Age: 33.
Leger Douzable, DT, Jaguars. Age: 26.
C.J. Mosley, DT, Jaguars. Age: 29.
Fred Evans, DT, Vikings. Age: 28.
Pat Sims, DT, Bengals. Age: 26.
Brandon McKinney, NT, Ravens. Age: 29.
Eric Foster, DT, Colts. Age: 27.
Kedric Golston, DE/DT, Redskins. Age: 29.
Trevor Laws, DT, Eagles. Age: 27.
Gary Gibson, DT, Rams. Age: 30.
Brian Schaefering, DT, Browns. Age: 29.
Aaron Smith, DE/DT, Steelers. Age: 36.
Howard Green, NT, Packers. Age: 33.
Vonnie Holliday, DE/DT, Cardinals. Age: 36.
Andre Fluellen, DT, Lions. Age: 27.
Tony Brown, DT, Titans. Age: 31.
Jimmy Kennedy, DT, Giants. Age: 32.
Chris Hoke, NT, Steelers. Age: 36. — Announced retirement
Nate Collins, DT, Jaguars. Age: 24.
Nick Hayden (RFA), DT, Bengals.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:44 am
526 ive seen gbs draft charts on anothrr site.. Heavy on linemen, light on skill players.. The way it should be
February 11th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Thanks Raider O. Id really like Soliai, if we spend big on any one guy I think it should be a true runn killing DT.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I spell better than this… I blame the touch screen
February 11th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Im not too worried about the pass rush. I think our front 7 can be a major force if we disguise what we are doing and blitz right..
February 11th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Start a new stream jerry. Im all alone, and ready to be 1st.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Marks hair Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I spell better than this… I blame the touch screen
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Use Swype instead of your standard keyboard.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Some of us would be surprised how many of Al’s “absurd” contracts had out-clauses, and/or had been re-negotiated to become more the norm for the Player. Yes, Al made some pretty bad misjudgments on a few, but they were well intended.
More importantly now, though…DB at this moment, is now the #1 priority for the Raiders. Closely followed by LB and D-Line. Pending moves will change priorities, of course…but DB is at critical levels now.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:07 am
The superbowl proved that db is nobodys first priority..
Most impotant nfl positions:
Qb
Ol
Dl
Wr
Lb
Db/Rb
February 11th, 2012 at 10:10 am
534. I agree Al was crafty about slipping in out clauses.. He lost his vision, but he still knew everthing
February 11th, 2012 at 10:11 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Some of us would be surprised how many of Al’s “absurd” contracts had out-clauses, and/or had been re-negotiated to become more the norm for the Player. Yes, Al made some pretty bad misjudgments on a few, but they were well intended.
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“The Road To Hell, is paved with good intentions”
-Saint Bernard of Clairvaux
February 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
534. “The problem with genius is those that are not sometimes don’t recognize it.”
Davis wasn’t reckless or stupid. He gambled and used his “gut” occasionally but picks like Cliff Branch, Janikowski and many others help make up for misses like Russell.
Davis’ outlandish contracts, like most moves had multiple effect.
Made the player happy and hopefully instilled a sense of loyalty and commitment.
Skewed the pay scale and caused dissention, hold outs and divided locker rooms across the League damaging the competition without ever firing a shot.
Attracted other talent in FA and trades. Double edged sword that one cuz U get guys who may be interested only in money or sign guys like Walker (Gawd, thats the worst ever)
Davis’ moves we’re controversial and when they failed they hurt but even when Oakland suuuuucked they were always making news and staying in the headlines cuz Davis also knew, no bad publicity…
Smart man and you can help gauge the quality of a mans life by the passion of his enemies
February 11th, 2012 at 10:12 am
If we run 3-4 sign Samme Lee Hill and Calais Campbell…my crazy ass will be a lil more happy then!
February 11th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Db and Rb become much more important if you fail at getting the right Qb..
February 11th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Come on with riding Al about the contracts fellas…we know he had his ways but my guy is gone now
February 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am
I’m still concerned about our OL. Don’t think B.Campbell is going to pan out and not too sure about Barksdale either.
Need a center, RT and some depth. That’s a lot considering we don’t have many picks.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am
It should be. With Hue, Saunders, Wylie and co. coaching them up and a healthy Palmer and McFadden we were looking at a 30+ ppg offense in 2012.
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30ppg???
Do you know how rare it is that any team averages 30ppg?
Take out the Saints and Patriots, and exactly two teams have done it the past 8 years.
Peyton Manning, has done it once in 15 years.
Philip Rivers, once in 10 years.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Al tried to use alchemy to turn cash into talent..
February 11th, 2012 at 10:17 am
The superbowl proved that db is nobodys first priority..
Most impotant nfl positions:
Qb
Ol
Dl
Wr
Lb
Db/Rb
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I believe there were 3 first round picks playing at DB for both teams in the game.
Only 1 at O-line, and 2 at LB, and 0 at RB.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Sorry meth, your right.. I just feel strange. I think its optimism.. But ive only felt that with my Lakers
February 11th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Tyvon Branch should be getting a 3-year deal, with a 4th-year option. This is a guy who is close to peaking, and should do it right here.
It’s not time to give up on MM34…he’s affordable, and he hasn’t seen enough work (or in the right position, necessarily). If his ability ever reaches the level of his attitude, he’ll be a real impact player. If his current “enthusiasm” on the field gets much worse though, it’ll become a terrible penalty-bringer. I want to see a mature MM34 play ball.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:20 am
MM34 stinks.
He doesn’t get railed on as much in here, because he often just runs himself out of the play, so you have to really focus to place blame on him.
It is easier to blame the guy who was in position and missed the tackle, than the guy who should have been in position, but wasn’t.
MM34 = Sam Williams 2.0
Good teammate, hard worker, great ST player, should never be on the field defensively.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:20 am
545.. Guys are taken in the wrong rounds all the time.. Im just sayin, for me, the qb and the trench is where its at..
February 11th, 2012 at 10:21 am
MM34, is a hard hitter.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Hey Laker fans….what about that old ancient chinese secret whooping. Dat purple and yellow ass last nite?m lolololol….Linsane was that game…it was veryLintertaining…I mean Jeremy was Lin the zone….38 huge pts in a home Lin for the Knicks….gonna be very Linteresting what the knicks do the rest of the season…..Jeremy Lin is a son from the Bay Area….us Bay Area people are trendsetters and trailblazers…….I’m happy for Lin and his family along with the asian community who have always loved basketball…glad young Asian kids have a guy to look to a someone that beat the odds and made it on the big stage….last nite was great for the game
February 11th, 2012 at 10:23 am
I kind of agree, QB and D-line are EASILY the two most important positions, and Super Bowl teams and where they drafted for those positions, backs this up.
But a team hasn’t won a Super Bowl with a first round pick at LT since Orlando Pace, according to my research (feel free to double-check).
I would say:
QB
D-Line
WR
DB
LB
O-line
RB
February 11th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Mm34 was one of our dummer picks.. To early + he plays ss. We have a good young ss.. Tuff draft day
February 11th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Kell…yes he hits hard but he seems lost a lot…don’t know whether its scheme or just lack of brains….4th year so no excuses….maybe an aggrressive 3-4 can help
February 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Great D-lines beat great O-lines, 9 out of 10 times. It is like great pitching beats great hitting in baseball.
Look at the Pats. They got a 1st round pick at LG (Mankins) who is perennial Pro Bowler. Light was a 2nd round pick at LT, and has made a bunch of Pro Bowls.
And each of their last 4 years, they have gotten manhandled in the playoffs once they met a great D-line.
It don’t matter if it is Logan Mankins or Cooper Carlisle, they aren’t blocking Justin Tuck with any type of success.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Anybody who hits, with gusto like MM34, is alright with me.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
He’s young!! If MM34 “gets it,” he will be awesome. Not just good, but awesome. He is a quick physical talent who likes to hit. This year is crunch time for him.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:27 am
The Mighty Lakers will be fine. They have contracts that cant be moved untill the 1st. But they will add a point and a sixth man to the big 3. Then peace and happiness will return to the good people.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Somebody is going to have to fill me in on MM34’s big hits.
After 3 years, do we even need to go to the second hand to count them up??
February 11th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Woooo Vegas…don’t think oline should be that low should it?….and I guess u were right about packers…lol son of a btch!
February 11th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I like hard hitters like the next guy Kell…but in today’s nfl with the rules don’t ya think hard hittin has lost its value for safeties?
February 11th, 2012 at 10:31 am
559 yup
February 11th, 2012 at 10:32 am
He had the big hit on Forsett in the preseason, and a nice hit on a WR over the middle this season (I think against KC).
Other than that……………….
February 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Vegas — He’s had his back to the QB a lot, too. I’m telling you, if the kid has a chance to draw a bead, he does it like a laser dart…and, he’s itchin’ to show he’s a bad-a$$. What happens with Huff, especially if he does transition to CB, will be very interesting.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Lakers will be fine? Mark’s hair…no not at all….Lake show is done done and even more done
February 11th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Woooo Vegas…don’t think oline should be that low should it?….
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I think all positions are important, hell we have shown the importance of a punter at times.
I just think you should focus on trying to find the Vince Wilfork’s, JPP’s and Tuck’s of the world, because it don’t matter if you got the world’s best Guards, eventually the elite D-lineman will checkmate you.
Veldheer, as a 3rd round on that salary, is awesome. Veldheer as a top 10 pick and an extremely high salary, is not.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:35 am
I like MM34’s tackling…he and Branch finish and tackle thru ppl while other raiders arm tackle like wimps!
February 11th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I like hard hitters like the next guy Kell…but in today’s nfl with the rules don’t ya think hard hittin has lost its value for safeties?
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No. Good tackling is always good, particularly in the secondary. But, they do have to be legal.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Vegas…I agree on dline vs oline…but oline was so low on your list……I would say qb,dl,ol,wr,lb,rb and db
February 11th, 2012 at 10:38 am
I think the lines are both very important.. Should have listed them equaly. Yes you can find them in later rounds, but if you cant control the trench your done. Outside of qb all other positions are not that critical..
February 11th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Kell……I agree tackling is vital back there but hard to get solid hits in this nfl
February 11th, 2012 at 10:44 am
If only Michael Huff, had a little bit of MM34 in him…..
He’s not afraid to stick his nose in there.
A solid hit is still legal.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:45 am
I just would be estatic to have a dline of calais campbell,samme lee hill and lamarr houston if we go 3-4….I bet rest of front 7 would round out with SHAMERION Wimbley,Mcclain,free agent ILB abd Curry?…would that be solid?
February 11th, 2012 at 10:46 am
No one will be able to recognize this Defense come Sept. Major turn over expected. Allen will get his guys on defense . Total make over coming.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:47 am
The Raiders used to “Headhunt”, that’s illegal now. But, a solid hit with force is still legal.
Now, I’m not so certain about MM34’s coverage skills.
February 11th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I’d like to know when we’re getting our remaining position coaches (DL, DB, TE and any position assistants) hired…
February 11th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Well….time to go….6 Baylor vs 4 Mizzou is on espnppv….if mizzou wins and kentucky loses to vandy 2nite syracuse somehow loses this game rite now to ucoon and mich state blast overrated ohio st…..lil cousin can be on number 1 ranked team in nation!….would be great…..anyeays good football chat and all…have a solid weekend if I don’t talk to y’all again
February 11th, 2012 at 10:50 am
573.. Not bad, we have options.. Lets see what kind of dynamic duo the Fatman & Allen make when selling our system to free agents
February 11th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Jerry if your watching I want credit for Fatman & Allen
February 11th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Time shoot off some faces, see you on mw3
February 11th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Anybody think Jarvis Moss is worth keeping?????
February 11th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Renoraider68 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Anybody think Jarvis Moss is worth keeping?????
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In a 4-3, he’d be a competent backup.
Not so much in a 3-4.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Agreed….Im actally very curious to see if Zac Etheridge is healthy and still gonna be in camp….
February 11th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Etheridge is intriguing with his size and physicality, but he may just be the same type of player as MM34.
Good ST guy, good in a box, physical, bad instincts and can’t cover at the NFL level.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:48 am
We need to rid ourselves of Jarvis Moss. However, Boyd, Jerome Boyd, is another story. We need him.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Mike Mitchell is in the category of CJ, Rout, Huff….a basic lack of talent to perform competently at this level.
He needs to be cut.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Zac Etheridge…….sorry, he needs to go too.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Asomuagh played like an all pro with us and sucked with another team with another scheme , I don’t see Routte playing lights out for any other team next yr. Dumb Fuk could never keep his head on a swivel.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
DEATHROW 55 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Asomugha played like an all pro with us and sucked with another team with another scheme , I don’t see Routte playing lights out for any other team next yr. Dumb Fuk could never keep his head on a swivel.
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Yup. And he’s going to have these HUGE expectations on him from the start, too. Could easily turn into a burnout case.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Can’t cut Mitchell yet got to give him one more ty like marshmallow McClain, we got new scheme, New coaches, more discipline and some missing pieces coming our way.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
DEATHROW 55 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Can’t cut Mitchell yet got to give him one more ty like marshmallow McClain, we got new scheme, New coaches, more discipline and some missing pieces coming our way.
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Mitchell’s not making enough for us to have to cut him right now. He’ll get a look in camp.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 10:15 am
It should be. With Hue, Saunders, Wylie and co. coaching them up and a healthy Palmer and McFadden we were looking at a 30+ ppg offense in 2012.
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30ppg???
Do you know how rare it is that any team averages 30ppg?
Take out the Saints and Patriots, and exactly two teams have done it the past 8 years.
Peyton Manning, has done it once in 15 years.
Philip Rivers, once in 10 years.
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Four teams did it this year:
- Packers 35
- Saints 34
- Patriots 32
- Lions 30
Consider too that in 2010 we averaged 26 ppg without D Moore, a much less effective DHB and a Grads-Campbell tag team at QB. Also consider that we were averaging 27 ppg this year before McFadden went down. Factor in the Palmer is a significant upgrade at QB over Campbell, the WRs should be even better and the offensive line should be the best it’s been since our SB run and there’s absolutely no reason we can’t be a 30 ppg team. Or at least could’ve been by keeping continuity on that side of the ball with Hue, Saunders as OC and Wylie as o-line coach.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Or at least could’ve been by keeping continuity on that side of the ball with Hue, Saunders as OC and Wylie as o-line coach.
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Saunders is still around. Pollack and Classic Wiz will be fine O-line coaches, and there’s nothing wrong with Knapp either. Our coaching changes were big improvements. Relax.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
DEATHROW 55,
sorry man, but McClain has to go too, along with Mitchell. the Raiders have no play makers on the D.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Is Des Bryant a UFA or RFA? If he’s a UFA, don’t be surprised if he gets a sizable contract, if not from us then from someone else. Guy is just hitting his prime, plays hard, very powerful, very versatile. When you consider age, I think he may be the 2nd most attractive DT on Raider O’s list, behind only Red Bryant.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
MM34 was a Div II (?) pick from Miami of Ohio who we KNEW was going to need alot of work and polish that he hasn’t received.
His first yr steep learning curve, this off season after the strike he hurt his knee and missed all of it and some games I think.
Way too early to write him off. Give him a full off season and one more year b4 pulling the plug.
If he can absorb and translate with that physical play we’re onto something good.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Is Des Bryant a UFA or RFA? If he’s a UFA, don’t be surprised if he gets a sizable contract, if not from us then from someone else. Guy is just hitting his prime, plays hard, very powerful, very versatile. When you consider age, I think he may be the 2nd most attractive DT on Raider O’s list, behind only Red Bryant.
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I believe Bryant’s an RFA. He’ll be back.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
also, Asomugha, is a dweeb. exactly how the myth arose that he is a “shutdown corner” is a mystery to me. Lester Hayes had 39 INT’s in 8 seasons with the Raiders while Asomugha had 11.
Actually, Asomugha was a little trained monkey sitting on the shoulder of King Kong.
He was no loss to the Raiders.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
RaiderWeaponX, #595,
Sorry Raider Weapon, MM34 has to go; that means jettisoning the flotsam that AL managed to acquire, replacing it with playmakers.
We don’t have time to “train” MM34
February 11th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Yeah, some want instant results and want players cut too soon yet like Reggie’s plan to develop players thru the draft.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
and btw, let’s home Alabama State Justice System does away with McClain so we can avoid the remainder of his contract.
McClain is flotsam and needs to go.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Hardline aka RMR, Ricochet. ttfn
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Or at least could’ve been by keeping continuity on that side of the ball with Hue, Saunders as OC and Wylie as o-line coach.
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Saunders is still around. Pollack and Classic Wiz will be fine O-line coaches, and there’s nothing wrong with Knapp either. Our coaching changes were big improvements. Relax.
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Saunders is there, but not as OC. Doesn’t matter if he’s there if he doesn’t have much authority. Wylie took a unit that was supposed to be our major glaring weakness in 2011 and made it a strength. And comparing Knapp to Hue as a playcaller is an absolute joke.
When Knapp was last here, before he had playcalling duties stripped from him due to the offense’s horrible ineffectiveness, we were among the worst offenses in the league. As soon as Hue arrived we made a stratospheric jump.
I understand you guys want to be optimistic about the new guys, but let’s be serious. We just downgraded the offensive coaching staff pretty considerably by any objective standard.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
let’s hope ****
February 11th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
602.RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Hardline aka RMR, Ricochet. ttfn
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Raider Weapon,
Huh ????
February 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Chris in NY, 603
We downgraded our offensive coaching staff by firing Hue the Pimpin Magnificent ??
You have to be joking…..
February 11th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
LOTS of college players are hard hitters. Tons of them.
What makes it in the bigs is being in position to make that hit.
MM34 needs a taxi close by, or he’s not going to have an opportunity to make a hit.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
MM34 is a backup strong safety who has played very well in spots, has a lot of upside and makes low money. Do you really think the defense’s struggles in 2011 had much if anything at all to do with MM34? Because the guy gave up a TD on a nicely thrown ball in Week 17 he’s now somehow the reason for the defense being ranked at the bottom of the league through the first 16 weeks.
MM34 = board scapegoat.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Hardline aka RMR, Ricochet. ttfn
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You had no cred before. Now you’re just a laughingstock.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
MM34 is the type of player (the Raiders are chock full of em) who seems poised – right on the edge – of breaking out….and then just never gets it done.
He has to go.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
MM34 is a backup strong safety who has played very well in spots, has a lot of upside and makes low money. Do you really think the defense’s struggles in 2011 had much if anything at all to do with MM34? Because the guy gave up a TD on a nicely thrown ball in Week 17 he’s now somehow the reason for the defense being ranked at the bottom of the league through the first 16 weeks.
MM34 = board scapegoat.
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Only had 22 tackles last year, in 13 or so games.
Pretty much was invisible
February 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
When Knapp was last here, before he had playcalling duties stripped from him due to the offense’s horrible ineffectiveness, we were among the worst offenses in the league. As soon as Hue arrived we made a stratospheric jump.
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Knapp had the playcalling duties stripped from him in 2008 because he and Al were having a hissyfit. After 2008, he left and Cable and Tollner took over for 2009, with disastrous results. Then Hue arrived in 2010.
Whenever Knapp’s called an offense with decent weapons, it’s been a Top 10 unit. In 2007 and 2008, we did not have weapons (this is a mild way of putting it).
When Knapp called Seattle in 2009, JULIUS JONES was their top offensive weapon. Again, not a fair evaluation.
He hasn’t had a passer with Palmer’s skill ever as an OC (remember that Vick in the mid 2000s was basically a faster Tebow with a SLIGHTLY more accurate arm). We’ll be fine.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Alex7, #609,
Alex, I am not understanding RaiderWeapon’s meaning of:
“Hardline aka RMR, Ricochet. ttfn”
You are saying he is a laughingstock, or I am a laughing stock? Also to clarify, I have posted under no other screenname except AL D. Davis, for which I was banned from the blog, for disrespect and irreverence to players, owner, and staff of the Raiders.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I just realized something.
Raiderweaponx, aka goodole, is a woman.
ttfn?
ta ta for now?
No guy with descending balls ever muttered ta ta for now.
Henceforth, Raiderweaponx will now be known as Susie.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
We just downgraded the offensive coaching staff pretty considerably by any objective standard.
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We hired a QB coach as few years ago who didn’t have a very good track record as an OC when he had the chance, and that guy came here and did a decent job with the offense.
We just hired another QB who arguably has a better resume as an OC than the last QB coach we hired.
One common thing these 2 guys will have in common is the best offensive roster they’ve had to coach in their careers.
Offense won’t miss a beat. Will be a better 2nd half offense too!
February 11th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Alex7, #609,
Alex, I am not understanding RaiderWeapon’s meaning of:
“Hardline aka RMR, Ricochet. ttfn”
You are saying he is a laughingstock, or I am a laughing stock? Also to clarify, I have posted under no other screenname except AL D. Davis, for which I was banned from the blog, for disrespect and irreverence to players, owner, and staff of the Raiders.
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Saying Susie aka raiderweapon x aka goodole is a laughingstock. Every week he claims someone different is RMR, or Rico, or whoever.
She must hear footsteps.
Hey, Susie, what was your original name? Before you changed it to Goodole?
February 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Chris in NY, 603
We downgraded our offensive coaching staff by firing Hue the Pimpin Magnificent ??
You have to be joking…..
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Sorry, but no. Hue was an excellent playcaller who instantly made the offense relevant and exciting after 8 straight seasons of ineptitude.
Last time Knapp was calling the plays we were:
- 29th in scoring
- 29th in yards
- 32nd in first downs per game
- 32nd in 3rd-down conversion %
Say what you want about Hue. Assume that Reggie’s lying when he says the coaching change was not about Hue but about him wanting to bring in his guy. Come up with unfounded theories about Hue losing the locker room. Whatever. But anyone pretending we did not significantly downgrade the offensive coaching staff this off-season is just embarrassing themself.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Alex7, #611,
Alex, I agree with you. My point is we have tons of players on the D like MM34. We need to purge them and acquire some real playmakers. A defense can’t be comprised of guys mainly like MM34 and be successful.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Alex7, #’s 614, 616
Thanks for the clarification Alex. I think you are correct about that person.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
MM34 was NOT good last year.
But like a lot of guys, he was being asked to do things he never should have.
JFB is right though.
There were SEVERAL plays where he had a chance to make some plays and just was terrible in space. Off the top of my head, the Minnesota game and the Miami game. Clearly was supposed to spy Ponder and runs right by him allowing Ponder to scramble for big yards. A lot of folks blamed the Dline on those plays, but film review CLEARLY shows MM34 not handling his responsibilities.
And yes it is plays just like that that contribute to our defense being so low. We all know it’s big plays that kill us and not being able to get off the field on 3rd down.
Not ready to cut him yet though.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Chris in NY, #617
Chris,
I hear you, but don’t feel you. You are not incorrect in your assessment of the statistics. However, the bigger picture is the roster change by the time Hue took over as OC: QB, RB, WR’s, O-line, etc. all performing on a insubstantial basis were replaced before Hue arrived.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
MM34 should NOT be a backend S in a Tampa 2.
MM34 should not be a nickle LB.
If we plan to use him those roles again this year, then yeah we need to cut him.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Last time Knapp was calling the plays we were:
- 29th in scoring
- 29th in yards
- 32nd in first downs per game
- 32nd in 3rd-down conversion %
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And Now for the Rest of the Story:
- Our starting QB was JaMarcus Russell.
- Our starting HB was Justin Fargas (who scored one TD all season).
- Our starting WR’s were Johnnie Lee Higgins and Chaz Schilens, who COMBINED for 37 catches.
Put Hue with that group and see how well he does…
February 11th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
We might of downgraded our “offensive” staff
BUT
Overall we upgraded our “Entire” Coaching Staff as a whole.
And please, stop whining about HueSux, he couldn’t even get a OC job, what a frickin joke.
We know have a HC that will install discipline, period. No more, lead the NFL In penalty non-sense…
February 11th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderDuck, #623
DITTO THAT RAIDERDUCK!!!
February 11th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
MM34 is a “Horrible” tackler. I watched that guy look stuck in mud as guys raced right past him.
He needs to go…..
February 11th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
I told you all I have a cherry, 1968 pink Cadillac coup-de-ville ready, with girls, to sell to HueJack the Pimpin Magnificent.
Maybe now he can truly pursue his life’s calling.
So it is written…….
February 11th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
303Raider, 626
Thanks 303, I said that too, many times. The problem now is the D is filled with underperformers like MM34 -flotsam – who need to be purged and replaced with playmakers.
A defense can’t make it with wanna-be’s.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
MM should not be any more than a backup SS and a special teamer. He plays better closer to the line but is average at best in coverage.
Not vital to the team. expendable and easily replaceable.
Trade him.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
A quote from RM.
“You don’t have to go out there and get top dollar players just to improve your team.”
February 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
When Knapp was last here, before he had playcalling duties stripped from him due to the offense’s horrible ineffectiveness, we were among the worst offenses in the league. As soon as Hue arrived we made a stratospheric jump.
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Knapp had the playcalling duties stripped from him in 2008 because he and Al were having a hissyfit. After 2008, he left and Cable and Tollner took over for 2009, with disastrous results. Then Hue arrived in 2010.
Whenever Knapp’s called an offense with decent weapons, it’s been a Top 10 unit. In 2007 and 2008, we did not have weapons (this is a mild way of putting it).
When Knapp called Seattle in 2009, JULIUS JONES was their top offensive weapon. Again, not a fair evaluation.
He hasn’t had a passer with Palmer’s skill ever as an OC (remember that Vick in the mid 2000s was basically a faster Tebow with a SLIGHTLY more accurate arm). We’ll be fine.
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Knapp’s teams’ ppg/ypg rankings with him as OC:
2009 SEA – 25th/21st
2008 OAK – 29th/29th
2006 ATL – 25th/12th
2005 ATL – 14th/12th
2004 ATL – 16th/20th
2003 SF – 9th/5th
2002 SF – 13th/8th
2001 SF – 3rd/4th
Basically, Knapp hasn’t had success as an OC in about 10 years and then in that time he was Mariucci’s understudy working with a QB in Garcia who was a perfect fit for a dink and dunk WCO.
Not trying to pick on Knapp, but let’s be honest. He’s a downgrade from Hue. Not to mention the fact that Palmer is not a great fit in the WC system and Knapp is probably going to have to make some drastic adjustments to make this work.
February 11th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
No problemo Hardline.
Most of the fans on this Blog are logical, smart, and know the truth.
Then there are a handful, of morons that keep talking about Hue, Soup, blah, blah, blah..
I know Reggie is gonna fix the Defense and add personnel, shoot any of us could probably do no worse!
Major questions are what do we do with Dmac and MBush? That will be real interesting to see how all of tha unfolds…..
February 11th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Keeping Al Saunders was huge as far as keeping some level of continuity for Carson. Our offense was not so dynamic in the second half of alot of games.
Overall our “Entire” coaching staff has been upgraded
Culture, discipline, environment > HueSux play calling
February 11th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Chris,
Do you think the HC will have any role in the offensive game plan each week?
February 11th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Who the hell gave Routt a 5 year, 54 million dollar contract?
Al definitely was losing it, poor guy.
These type of contracts have plagued the The Raiders for the last decade.
PapaReggie will fix that, wow, 11 million a year for Routt! What was Nmandi asking for?
What a mess…..
February 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
When Knapp was last here, before he had playcalling duties stripped from him due to the offense’s horrible ineffectiveness, we were among the worst offenses in the league. As soon as Hue arrived we made a stratospheric jump.
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Knapp had the playcalling duties stripped from him in 2008 because he and Al were having a hissyfit. After 2008, he left and Cable and Tollner took over for 2009, with disastrous results. Then Hue arrived in 2010.
Whenever Knapp’s called an offense with decent weapons, it’s been a Top 10 unit. In 2007 and 2008, we did not have weapons (this is a mild way of putting it).
When Knapp called Seattle in 2009, JULIUS JONES was their top offensive weapon. Again, not a fair evaluation.
He hasn’t had a passer with Palmer’s skill ever as an OC (remember that Vick in the mid 2000s was basically a faster Tebow with a SLIGHTLY more accurate arm). We’ll be fine.
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Knapp’s teams’ ppg/ypg rankings with him as OC:
2009 SEA – 25th/21st
2008 OAK – 29th/29th
2006 ATL – 25th/12th
2005 ATL – 14th/12th
2004 ATL – 16th/20th
2003 SF – 9th/5th
2002 SF – 13th/8th
2001 SF – 3rd/4th
Basically, Knapp hasn’t had success as an OC in about 10 years and then in that time he was Mariucci’s understudy working with a QB in Garcia who was a perfect fit for a dink and dunk WCO.
Not trying to pick on Knapp, but let’s be honest. He’s a downgrade from Hue. Not to mention the fact that Palmer is not a great fit in the WC system and Knapp is probably going to have to make some drastic adjustments to make this work.
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No question about it, we have downgraded with the offensivive coaching side of the ball. And its to bad there were not more qualified OCs’ out there, cause I don’t see it. Prove me wrong.
And Routt shaould have been given the opportunity to improve with a better D staff. Sometimes all a guy needs is a decent coach. Al Davis saw something in him but overlooked the coaches.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Last time Knapp was calling the plays we were:
– 29th in scoring
– 29th in yards
– 32nd in first downs per game
– 32nd in 3rd-down conversion %
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And Now for the Rest of the Story:
- Our starting QB was JaMarcus Russell.
– Our starting HB was Justin Fargas (who scored one TD all season).
– Our starting WR’s were Johnnie Lee Higgins and Chaz Schilens, who COMBINED for 37 catches.
Put Hue with that group and see how well he does…
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In 2010 Hue had:
- Grads and Campbell (who was awful in 2010, much better in 2011) switching on and off.
- Murphy and an at that point incompetent DHB at WR
- McFadden and Bush … but guess what, Knapp also had both of these guys on the roster in 2008, we just opted to start Fargas over both of them until Hue got here.
And Hue got 26 ppg and a top-6 ranking out of that group.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Chris in NY,
We are placing advanced orders for some humble pie during next years home playoff game.
Do you like yours with whipped cream or a la mode?
February 11th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
You have to understand that the HC meets with his coordinators at the beginning of each week to discuss how the other team is going to be attacked.
Are some of you really expecting Dennis Allen to approve an offensive game plan that is not going use Palmer and all those weapons he has in the passing game?
What is it that you expect Knapp to suck at?
He is not going to call dive right, dive left, pass repeatedly. TRUST that if he does, he won’t be calling plays for long.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Hue Jackson is about to embark on the greatest demotion of any NFL HC since Barry Switzer.
From HC, to never working again.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
And the Lions didn’t average 30ppg.
We don’t round up around these parts.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Al gave Routt a contract that had an out clause if he did not perform.
Is anyone really suggesting that Al wouldn’t have either restructered Routt or cut him?
You really think Al would have payed Routt 15 million this year?
I don’t.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Out clause in Huff’s contract.
Out clause in Wimbley’s contract.
And you better damn well believe Mike Vick ain’t seeing 100 million dollars.
NFL contract are a damn JOKE!
February 11th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I think Al may have paid Routt in 2012, only because he wanted to do everything he could to win right now, even if it meant screwing over the future.
With all these contracts, I think that was the purpose.
Would Al from 1995 pay Routt like that? Hell to the NO!!
February 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
JFB,
Are you going to come out a day early?
36 holes?????
February 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Interim-Tulane-Green-Wave-head-coach-Mark-Hutson-hired-by-Oakland-Raiders-as-tight-ends-coach-021112
I just read this,…
February 11th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
- McFadden and Bush … but guess what, Knapp also had both of these guys on the roster in 2008, we just opted to start Fargas over both of them until Hue got here.
And Hue got 26 ppg and a top-6 ranking out of that group.
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In 2010, Hue had a HEALTHY Bush and DMac.
In 2008, Bush hadn’t played competitively in two years (after recovering from a horrible leg injury), and DMac got turf toe on BOTH feet (you may remember the walking boot first on foot, then the other).
Not a valid comparison. And I don’t care HOW terrible Campbell was, we’re still talking an order of magnitude better than JaPaycheck (who, if you will recall, couldn’t even be bothered to learn the playbook).
February 11th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Why the hell then would Al give that guy that contract in the 1st place!
I thought he was given a 3 yr deal for about 30 plus million?
February 11th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
April 25th, but between a 2 hour flight, and a 1+ hour trip to the telly, I doubt we can squeeze in 36.
I was thinking 18 holes, a 19th hole, and some “film” review analysis.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LOL!
Hue will get another job, JFB.
The Ole Brutha Network will look out for him.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Raiderbuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/Interim-Tulane-Green-Wave-head-coach-Mark-Hutson-hired-by-Oakland-Raiders-as-tight-ends-coach-021112
I just read this,…
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Great! The offensive staff appears finished. Now we just need a few more defensive assistants.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
1 hour trip to the Hotel?
In Ontario????
Ontario has a dam airport mayne.
By the way …
I saw a Fed Ex commercial where you can ship your clubs right to the course.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Yes, Knapp, or Saunders is a good OC when they have the horses. Pretty much everyone looks good when you have solid players.It’s because you look good in spite of them, not because of them.
Knapp had his duties taken from him, at different times in his career.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Course is in Temecula, got to fly in somewhere, and either Ontario or SD are like 50 miles away.
Or at least according to the google machine.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Speaking of TE’s. Do the Raiders really keep 4 on the active roster?
February 11th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
I saw a Fed Ex commercial where you can ship your clubs right to the course.
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I know you can do that, but there supposedly are some companies that specialize in traveling your sticks around from course to course.
Probably not worth having some startup send my clubs to Topeka instead of Temecula though.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
J Hill Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LOL!
Hue will get another job, JFB.
The Ole Brutha Network will look out for him.
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You really think so, J Hill?
Hue was a PR disaster, pretty much all around.
He was viewed as throwing his players under the bus. (Not important if I/you agree or not, it’s the perception.)
He was viewed as not being honest with his players, basically lying to the media, while the players called him on it. (boss, DHB, Carson)
He lacked discipline.
He stated more than once how stubborn he is, and that he would do the same mistakes over again.
And his wannabee GQ? Pin striped suits at PC’s after games? Pedicures while primping?
He’s a loose cannon.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
I thought you meant an hour from the airport.
19th hole is cool. We can have O meet us up there for that.
Now I’m down to roll back up there the morning of you meeting and get a morning round in.
There’s actually a really nice course in Ontario called Empire Lakes that we could play that morning.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
As a matter of fact …
Why the hell are we going to Temecula if you are in Ontario?
Pleny of great courses around here and you can save 2 hours worth of cab rides and $.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
303Raider, #’s 632, 633,
Ditto that.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Yeah, I think Hue will at least get another QB coach or WR coach type gig.
Might even have to go back to college for a minute, but I can see him “never working again”.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
I don’t think the heffe’s will have a problem with me being 15 minutes late to the Thursday noon meeting if I was playing at the spot.
But if I show up late because I went to play golf off the reservation?
May not be the best idea.
We can maybe flip it, golf elsewhere Wednesday and at Temecule Creek Thursday in the AM.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
R8rArt, #657
Ditto that R8r
February 11th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Why the hell are we going to Temecula if you are in Ontario?
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LOL….we got to get this straight.
Meeting, business and hotel is at the Temecula Creek Inn. I have no transportation. I am flying into Ontario at 9am on the 25th. First meeting is the 26th at noon.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
[...] it relates to the Raiders, Jerry McDonald of InsideBayArea.com calls the salary cap a “myth.” To an extent, he’s right; the question of whether a player stays with the Raiders or any [...]
February 11th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
653.R8rArt Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Yes, Knapp, or Saunders is a good OC when they have the horses. Pretty much everyone looks good when you have solid players.It’s because you look good in spite of them, not because of them.
Knapp had his duties taken from him, at different times in his career.
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So did:
-Tom Landry
-Jimmie Johnson
-Jon Gruden (Yes. Tampa fired him.)
…and many more BIG names.
Greg Knapp is more esteemed than all of the above put together.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Interesting, sounds like the Raiders want to teach their TEs to block better. @646
February 11th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
…before someone has an anuerism I was kidding on that very last part.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Ok, got it.
Temecula it is.
February 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
667.. That is absurd.. Landry, johnson and gruden combined not as esteemed a knapp?
February 11th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Srry, ive seen crazier comments that were’nt jokes..
February 11th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Why hasn’t Cork or Jerry Mac filled us in on our new TE coach yet?
February 11th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Damn I gotta play Pebble!
February 11th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Jerry and the Cork must play golf on saturdays.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
JFB and other stats folks,
this is for you guys. This article predicted 2 yrs ago JLin would be successful in the NBA….moneyball time baby.
The best candidate to pull off such a surprise might be Harvard’s Jeremy Lin. The reason is two numbers Lin posted, 2-point FG pct and RSB40. Lin was at .598 and 9.7. This is impressive on both counts. These numbers show NBA athleticism better than any other, because a high score in both shows dominance at the college level on both ends of the court. Here is a list of recent college PGs who topped .540 and 9.0:
I hope Michael Lewis is writing this book.
http://hoopsanalyst.com/blog/?p=487
February 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I never played Pebble, I thought it was too expensive and poorly maintained. I did play Cypress Point once, back when I was somebody.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
670.Marks hair Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
667.. That is absurd.. Landry, johnson and gruden combined not as esteemed a knapp?
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I was kidding about that part.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Marks Hair,
Yes. There have been some very whacky comments similar to that.
One of my favorites is that Dilfer is better than Marino cuz he “won a ring”.
Or…”"85 Bears defense was garbage. Without Dent, Singletary, and Hampton they would have sucked”.
And the Lakers without Magic and Jabbar “wouldn’t have won squat”.
Those are priceless.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
637.Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Last time Knapp was calling the plays we were:
– 29th in scoring
– 29th in yards
– 32nd in first downs per game
– 32nd in 3rd-down conversion %
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And Now for the Rest of the Story:
- Our starting QB was JaMarcus Russell.
– Our starting HB was Justin Fargas (who scored one TD all season).
– Our starting WR’s were Johnnie Lee Higgins and Chaz Schilens, who COMBINED for 37 catches.
Put Hue with that group and see how well he does…
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In 2010 Hue had:
- Grads and Campbell (who was awful in 2010, much better in 2011) switching on and off.
- Murphy and an at that point incompetent DHB at WR
- McFadden and Bush … but guess what, Knapp also had both of these guys on the roster in 2008, we just opted to start Fargas over both of them until Hue got here.
And Hue got 26 ppg and a top-6 ranking out of that group.
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Couldn’targue with this take if I wanted to. Hue was a badass as an OC and if not for Al’s death, we would have seen him back here next year. I’m willing to reserve judgement on Knapp though. His offense was very conservative in 2008 while JR was getting up to speed, and it should have been. JR’s suporting cast was an embarrassment, but the offense started to play much better by the end of the year with Chaz and JLH as starters. Would like to have seen that offensive staff come back the next season.
February 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Are Jerry and Steve even still alive?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
White Album or Sgt. Pepper’s?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LOL!
Hue will get another job, JFB.
The Ole Brutha Network will look out for him.
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So you really think it’ll take the “Ole Brutha Network” for Hue to get a job? The job he did the last two years as an OC and HC mean nothing?? What a joke!
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
681.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
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Name one Raider coach who has ever done a “bloody thing” about penalties.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
White Album
February 11th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
I suspect Jerry and Steve are spending time with family on weekends.
I know after football season ends, the wife deems it as “our” weekend again, something on the line of she got me back.
I think she just wants me to catch up on tasks.
I imagine millions of guys similarly have a long list of to do things bout this time of year.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
So you really think it’ll take the “Ole Brutha Network” for Hue to get a job? The job he did the last two years as an OC and HC mean nothing?? What a joke!
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No, it won’t take the “Ole Brutha Network” or any other kind of network.
What it WILL take is someone willing to overlook the bridges this guy’s burned wherever he goes. Every time he leaves a team, upper management can’t WAIT to see him go.
Call it the Eric Mangini effect, but Hue may find himself unemployable in the NFL.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LOL!
Hue will get another job, JFB.
The Ole Brutha Network will look out for him.
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So you really think it’ll take the “Ole Brutha Network” for Hue to get a job? The job he did the last two years as an OC and HC mean nothing?? What a joke!
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What Hue did last year was not only a joke, but was a huge negative on his resume.
The list is really long on what he did wrong.
There is no list on what he did right.
Ok, let’s play your game.
What did he do right?
Why isn’t he even getting a sniff from anyone?
Why is he still unemployed?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Are Jerry and Steve even still alive?
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Who are Jerry and Steve?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
681.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
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Name one Raider coach who has ever done a “bloody thing” about penalties.
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Al never considered them important. After his death, Hue could have taken sterner measures, including benching and/or cutting people. What did we get instead? A lot blah-blah-blah excuses with no improvement.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Are Jerry and Steve even still alive?
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Who are Jerry and Steve?
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Jerry McDonald and Steve Corkran. A couple of NFL sportswriters who are SUPPOSED to provide fresh material for their huddled Raider masses.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Ok, let’s play your game.
What did he do right?
Why isn’t he even getting a sniff from anyone?
Why is he still unemployed?
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I can answer these. What he did right was bring Palmer here. I am now thinking that is why Al Davis brought him here in the lst place. We all knew Palmer was coming onto the open market and having Jackson here had to be a HUGE plus. Other than that……not much.
The other two questions? See above answer.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
690.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
681.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
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Name one Raider coach who has ever done a “bloody thing” about penalties.
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Al never considered them important. After his death, Hue could have taken sterner measures, including benching and/or cutting people. What did we get instead? A lot blah-blah-blah excuses with no improvement.
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Who would you have benched or cut?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Jerry McDonald and Steve Corkran. A couple of NFL sportswriters who are SUPPOSED to provide fresh material for their huddled Raider masses.
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Oh, THAT Jerry and Steve. Heck, they just get their info from us.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
692.Seymour Bush Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Ok, let’s play your game.
What did he do right?
Why isn’t he even getting a sniff from anyone?
Why is he still unemployed?
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I can answer these. What he did right was bring Palmer here. I am now thinking that is why Al Davis brought him here in the lst place. We all knew Palmer was coming onto the open market and having Jackson here had to be a HUGE plus. Other than that……not much.
The other two questions? See above answer.
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The reason Hubert the Pimpin Magnificent is still unemployed is because other teams know Hue had a true calling in life – PIMP – and that football is not one of them.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
690.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
681.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
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Name one Raider coach who has ever done a “bloody thing” about penalties.
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Al never considered them important. After his death, Hue could have taken sterner measures, including benching and/or cutting people. What did we get instead? A lot blah-blah-blah excuses with no improvement.
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Who would you have benched or cut?
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Two-gme suspension for Stanford Routt, for starters. Dude led the NFL in penalties.
Follow it up with an unpaid one-game suspension for Richard Seymour after one of his stupid-@ss personal fouls.
Finally, Hue should have suspended RoMac 4 games without pay for that whole gun incident. Was there even a “Dead Grandfather” in the first place?
Do all that, and the penalties come down.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
football is not Hue’s true calling.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Runnin Rebels just put a beat down on San Diego State…next on our list
New Mexico!!!
“Get yo Reb on!”
February 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Man, half the posts in here are about Jason Campell? Dude was gone after the broken collarbone. Shot, thats gotta be a heck of a rehab for a QB. Anyway he’s gone? why all the debate?
Atleast talking about crazy power-hungry huebris is kinda funny.
I liked Campell as a person compared to the JaMarcus, but he does not want to be here–even if he can recover from the collarbone.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
688.R8rArt Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
LOL!
Hue will get another job, JFB.
The Ole Brutha Network will look out for him.
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So you really think it’ll take the “Ole Brutha Network” for Hue to get a job? The job he did the last two years as an OC and HC mean nothing?? What a joke!
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What Hue did last year was not only a joke, but was a huge negative on his resume.
The list is really long on what he did wrong.
There is no list on what he did right.
Ok, let’s play your game.
What did he do right?
Why isn’t he even getting a sniff from anyone?
Why is he still unemployed?
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Got a team that lost its two best players on offense two within a game of winning the division. Why he doesn’t have a job is beyond me, but there’s no question in my mind that he’ll be back. He’s a highly intelligent OC. Al did a fantastic job of hitting on young offensive minds that call their own plays (Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffen and Hue). May have had a Sean Payton on our hands.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Back in the glory years, mid 60’s through 1983, the Raiders amassed penalites galore. The difference between then and now is the club won numberous AFC Championships and Superbowls.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
“Got a team that lost its two best players on offense two within a game of winning the division. Why he doesn’t have a job is beyond me, but there’s no question in my mind that he’ll be back. He’s a highly intelligent OC. Al did a fantastic job of hitting on young offensive minds that call their own plays (Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffen and Hue). May have had a Sean Payton on our hands.”
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !!
Hue is a pimp and everyone knows it. If he were truely talented, he would presently be employed.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
truly *****
February 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
690.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
681.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:02 pm
Glad Hue’s gone. Skilled playcaller that he is, he didn’t do a bloody thing about penalties, and his “knife-in-the-back” act would have killed locker room morale.
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Name one Raider coach who has ever done a “bloody thing” about penalties.
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Al never considered them important. After his death, Hue could have taken sterner measures, including benching and/or cutting people. What did we get instead? A lot blah-blah-blah excuses with no improvement.
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Who would you have benched or cut?
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Two-gme suspension for Stanford Routt, for starters. Dude led the NFL in penalties.
Follow it up with an unpaid one-game suspension for Richard Seymour after one of his stupid-@ss personal fouls.
Finally, Hue should have suspended RoMac 4 games without pay for that whole gun incident. Was there even a “Dead Grandfather” in the first place?
Do all that, and the penalties come down.
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Pure speculation. Basically, bench the whole starting D, huh? I’ll never in a million years fault the guy for fielding a team each week that he felt gave us the best chance to win. Even with all the penalties, if we make two plays either on D or O in the last two games, we win the division.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
702.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
“Got a team that lost its two best players on offense two within a game of winning the division. Why he doesn’t have a job is beyond me, but there’s no question in my mind that he’ll be back. He’s a highly intelligent OC. Al did a fantastic job of hitting on young offensive minds that call their own plays (Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffen and Hue). May have had a Sean Payton on our hands.”
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Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !!
Hue is a pimp and everyone knows it. If he were truely talented, he would presently be employed.
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Now Hue isn’t even talented???? I am now convinced Hue slept with your wife or something. That’s a “truly” idiotic take!
February 11th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I gotta think Kam Wimbley is gonna be the next to be cut. There is no way that a linebacker that can’t cover is making that much money.
His best bet to stay with the team is restructure as a DE.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Pure speculation. Basically, bench the whole starting D, huh? I’ll never in a million years fault the guy for fielding a team each week that he felt gave us the best chance to win. Even with all the penalties, if we make two plays either on D or O in the last two games, we win the division.
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Not the whole starting D. Three guys, all of whom were indicative of the lack of discipline and focus on Hue’s team:
- One who was paid $10 mil to lead the NFL in penalties and placed second-from-last in the league in TD catches allowed.
- One whose constant personal fouls kept critical drives alive for the other side, and
- One overpaid chump who went home because of an alleged “dead grandfather” and ended up almost killing a man in cold blood because he was “dissin’ his homies” or some similar thug crapola. His mugging like a fool for the camera didn’t help.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
RaiderDebo, #705,
Okay Debo, you contend Hue was talented. Prove your contention. I claim that if Hue had talent he would be under contract.
State your claim, my friend.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
706.raidertalk Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I gotta think Kam Wimbley is gonna be the next to be cut. There is no way that a linebacker that can’t cover is making that much money.
His best bet to stay with the team is restructure as a DE.
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I’m just hoping we keep some of our good players. Starting to think the talking heads that are saying this could be a three-year rebuild might be on to something.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
RaiderDuck, #707
excellent and factual points RaiderDuck.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
702.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
I never stated the following, Raider Debo did, however:
“Got a team that lost its two best players on offense two within a game of winning the division. Why he doesn’t have a job is beyond me, but there’s no question in my mind that he’ll be back. He’s a highly intelligent OC. Al did a fantastic job of hitting on young offensive minds that call their own plays (Shanahan, Gruden, Kiffen and Hue). May have had a Sean Payton on our hands.”
February 11th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I’m willing to roll the dice with CP3 this year at QB. Dennis and Reggie will have to do a helluva makeover during the offseason, especially with not many draft picks. I think we need to hitch our horses to McFadden for one more year and prepare to live 2012 without Michael Bush. Once we lock down Tyvon, we should jettison Seymour and Wimbley. This whole rebuilding process may take 2-3 years, but I still think we’re not that far away from making the playoffs in 2012. We just need to do really well in our own division (plus, beat Pittsburgh, Cincy, Cleveland, Miami, and Tampa Bay).
February 11th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I did state the following, and believe it, heart and sould (lol):
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !!
Hue is a pimp and everyone knows it. If he were truly talented, he would presently be employed.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
706.raidertalk Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
I gotta think Kam Wimbley is gonna be the next to be cut. There is no way that a linebacker that can’t cover is making that much money.
His best bet to stay with the team is restructure as a DE.
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I’m just hoping we keep some of our good players. Starting to think the talking heads that are saying this could be a three-year rebuild might be on to something.
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Agreed. Sadly this defense might a need a rebuild either way!
Are there any Defensive player that we should keep from last year?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:39 pm
Glad to see Al is back. Goodbye to you, Mr. Bresnahan!
February 11th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
A lot of trash talking going on about Hue. I always liked him as a person – a really good guy – but always thought of him as being on the same coaching level as the Cable Guy.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I did state the following, and believe it, heart and sould (lol):
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !!
Hue is a pimp and everyone knows it. If he were truly talented, he would presently be employed.
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I think Hue IS talented, but the question is whether his talent as an offensive playcaller outweighs his duplicity, his relentless self-promotion and his media-leaking.
So far, 32 NFL teams have decided his abilities are simply not worth it.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Are there any Defensive player that we should keep from last year?
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The single player we should keep is Giordiano. The kid has promise. Maybe also we should keep the rookie CBs Chekwa and the other one.
Oh, one last player we should retain is Boyd, Jerome Boyd; he is critical.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Consider too that in 2010 we averaged 26 ppg without D Moore, a much less effective DHB and a Grads-Campbell tag team at QB. Also consider that we were averaging 27 ppg this year before McFadden went down.
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This is getting boring so I’m just going to borrow from ChrisinNY for this one:
Consider too that in 2010 we averaged 26 ppg without D Moore, a much less effective DHB and a Grads-Campbell tag team at QB. Also consider that we were averaging 27 ppg this year before McFadden went down.
The guy made this team relevant again from the minute he joined this staff. You may not see it, but Al sure as hell did. He said as much the day he announced him as the HC. So I can go with Al’s opinion of Hue’s “talent”, or yours. Think I’ll go with Al on this one.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
RaiderDuck, #717
Couldn’t agree with you more RaiderDuck. Except I think Hue has little talent. We can agree to disagree on that point.
The rest of what you say it priceless.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
717.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
I did state the following, and believe it, heart and sould (lol):
Blah, Blah, Blah, Blah !!
Hue is a pimp and everyone knows it. If he were truly talented, he would presently be employed.
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I think Hue IS talented, but the question is whether his talent as an offensive playcaller outweighs his duplicity, his relentless self-promotion and his media-leaking.
So far, 32 NFL teams have decided his abilities are simply not worth it.
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32 NFL teams???? Exaggerate much??
February 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
I suppose further discussion about Hue is pointless. Let’s see if he gets hired and how far his talent, or lack thereof takes him.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Next man up ???? lol
February 11th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
32 NFL teams???? Exaggerate much??
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No exaggeration needed. There are 32 teams in the National Football League. Not ONE of them has hired Hue Jackson this offseason.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
ITs funny, the only Hue Jackson could have been a Head Coach was under AL Davis.
NO WAY IN HELL dues Hue make that last power presser if AL was still alive.
Other than Al no one would put up with him.
These owners these days aren’t e-x-coaches like AL RIP was.
A lot of the owners defer to coaches now. But with Hue it was too hard to defer to the dude.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I still have that cherry, pink 1968 Caddie, with customized plates that read “Bimbo”; am saving it for Hue.
February 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
724.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
32 NFL teams???? Exaggerate much??
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No exaggeration needed. There are 32 teams in the National Football League. Not ONE of them has hired Hue Jackson this offseason.
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I see. And all 32 had openings? Do you think Hue will ever coach in the NFL again?
February 11th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
RaiderDebo,
coaching, no, pimpin, yes.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
707.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Pure speculation. Basically, bench the whole starting D, huh? I’ll never in a million years fault the guy for fielding a team each week that he felt gave us the best chance to win. Even with all the penalties, if we make two plays either on D or O in the last two games, we win the division.
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Not the whole starting D. Three guys, all of whom were indicative of the lack of discipline and focus on Hue’s team:
- One who was paid $10 mil to lead the NFL in penalties and placed second-from-last in the league in TD catches allowed.
- One whose constant personal fouls kept critical drives alive for the other side, and
- One overpaid chump who went home because of an alleged “dead grandfather” and ended up almost killing a man in cold blood because he was “dissin’ his homies” or some similar thug crapola. His mugging like a fool for the camera didn’t help.
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So much wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. We replace Routt with who? Some practice squad dude? To make a point?? And your rant on Romack is a complete joke! Tell me, were you by his side back in Alabama? How do you know any of this happened? These are called allegations. Hue said he looked into it and was comfortable that it didn’t go down that way. He’s a hell of a lot closer to it than you are Columbo, so I’ll go with Hue on that one.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I see. And all 32 had openings? Do you think Hue will ever coach in the NFL again?
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Most of 32 had one or more openings on their offensive staff, and even if they didn’t, there’s always room for a “Senior Offensive Assistant” or some such (a la Saunders). Nobody hired him. For ANYTHING. Just like nobody’s brought JaPaycheck in for so much as a workout in over a year, and nobody signed him to futures deal.
Now, Hue’s NFL future is certainly brighter than JaPaycheck’s (how could it not be), but it’s still instructive that NOBODY wants to hire the guy.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RaiderDebo:
We replace Rout, using the outrageous salary he would have made with 2 excellent FA’s. We also bring along our rookies Chekwa and DVD. If they can’t cut it, cut them.
Besides, McClain’s troubles in AL, he did little on-field, with an attitude that did a complete dis-service to the Raiders. Also, I wouldn’t believe a word Hue the Pimpin Magnificent said since according to his own admission in his last press conference, he is a liar.
Feel free to go with Hue, but you’ll be going nowhere.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
So much wrong with this post, don’t know where to start. We replace Routt with who? Some practice squad dude? To make a point?? And your rant on Romack is a complete joke! Tell me, were you by his side back in Alabama? How do you know any of this happened? These are called allegations. Hue said he looked into it and was comfortable that it didn’t go down that way. He’s a hell of a lot closer to it than you are Columbo, so I’ll go with Hue on that one.
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We replace Routt with DVD or someone else who won’t lead the NFL in penalties. Again, we’re not replacing him FOREVER, but just for a game or two to make a point.
As for RoMac, here are the facts:
1) He said he his “grandfather died,” so he was given a couple of days to go home.
2) The first morning back in AL, he renewed his registration and bought a gun.
3) He then menaced an old HS friend, making him beg for his life, and then firing a gun several inches away from his face.
4) He grinned like the fool he is when the cops came to arrest him. Not a whole lot of remorse there.
5) The police and DA obviously believe there is enough evidence to charge him with several crimes.
6) There are NO stories of RoMac or any family members attended any funerals that week. Did this “dead grandfather” even exist?
7) As a punishment for all this, Hue did…nothing. Didn’t even sit RoMac out a play. Nothing. A four-game suspension for “conduct detrimental to the team” would have been in order.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
RaiderDuck 730
Yeah RaiderDuck, no team will hire Hue knowing his main talent is pimping and snake oil salesman. It’s common sense, why won’t they hire Hue ? because he can’t help them.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
731.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
RaiderDebo:
We replace Rout, using the outrageous salary he would have made with 2 excellent FA’s. We also bring along our rookies Chekwa and DVD. If they can’t cut it, cut them.
Besides, McClain’s troubles in AL, he did little on-field, with an attitude that did a complete dis-service to the Raiders. Also, I wouldn’t believe a word Hue the Pimpin Magnificent said since according to his own admission in his last press conference, he is a liar.
Feel free to go with Hue, but you’ll be going nowhere.
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I’m talking about during the year, not now. As bad as the D was, every player on the roster is up for debate. But during the season, in the heat of a divisional race, you don’t bench starters to make a point. You put your best 11 out there and try to win the damn game, which is exactly what Hue did. I applaud him for that.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
3) He then menaced an old HS friend, making him beg for his life, and then firing a gun several inches away from his face.
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Again Columbo, an allegation.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
6) There are NO stories of RoMac or any family members attended any funerals that week. Did this “dead grandfather” even exist?
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So you’re saying his grandfather didn’t die, right?
February 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RaiderDebo,
If Hue was so good, and dedicated to the best 11 of D, why did he let Sterling Moore get away to the Pat’s?
Because Hue is dumb, and no judge of talent, that is why.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
But during the season, in the heat of a divisional race, you don’t bench starters to make a point.
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If they won’t listen, then that’s EXACTLY what you do. You bench, and if necessary, suspend them. Do it once or twice, and everybody gets the message.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Debo,
The point with McClain is:
He jeopardized a $23M personal service contract and embarrassed the Raider for getting tangled up with gunplay in AL, even if he isn’t guilty of alleged crimes.
McClain is too dumb to play for the Raiders……lack of intelligence and talent.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
737.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
RaiderDebo,
If Hue was so good, and dedicated to the best 11 of D, why did he let Sterling Moore get away to the Pat’s?
Because Hue is dumb, and no judge of talent, that is why.
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LOL!! He’s dumb because he cut Sterling Moore??? Well then so is Bill Belichick because he cut him too, although he ended up bringing back. C’mon, you act like he cut Ed Reed or something.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Sterling Moore had an excellent playoff and SuperBowl record. What else can I say ???
February 11th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
733, your way off base. Hue benched him for one whole play
February 11th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RaiderDebo,
Thanks for the lively discussion !!! I have to go out to dinner with my wife and friends.
Take care, and enjoy your evening.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
739.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Debo,
The point with McClain is:
He jeopardized a $23M personal service contract and embarrassed the Raider for getting tangled up with gunplay in AL, even if he isn’t guilty of alleged crimes.
McClain is too dumb to play for the Raiders……lack of intelligence and talent.
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Funny, Nick Saban called him one of the smartest players he’s ever coached.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RaiderDebo,
Thanks for the lively discussion !!! I have to go out to dinner with my wife and friends.
Take care, and enjoy your evening
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You too.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The moorw cut was a stupid no speed & i didnt draft you Al D decision
February 11th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
But u can blame hue for housh allday
February 11th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Maybe hue can find some work as a foot or hand model.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
746.Marks hair Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
The moorw cut was a stupid no speed & i didnt draft you Al D decision
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Insignificant cut. Moore was lucky to have gotten picked up by a good team that ended up making the Super Bowl. He gets picked up by the Rams and we’re not even discussing him. Just another reason to pile on Hue.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
Houdh over Hagan was bad.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Hagan at least brought something to special teams. Housh was a complete waste of a roster space.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Romac might turn out ok, ray lewis got brains in his hair he got off scott free amd turned out great
February 11th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Man, it’s colder than a well-diggers elbow here in southern England.
18 degrees F.
Cold blast blowing in from Russia.
It’s that fuk’n KGB ganster Putin.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
I belive moore was cut by Al.. But Hue did plenty else to hang himself..
February 11th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
“We replace Routt with DVD or someone else who won’t lead the NFL in penalties. Again, we’re not replacing him FOREVER, but just for a game or two to make a point.
As for RoMac, here are the facts:
1) He said he his “grandfather died,” so he was given a couple of days to go home.
2) The first morning back in AL, he renewed his registration and bought a gun.
3) He then menaced an old HS friend, making him beg for his life, and then firing a gun several inches away from his face.
4) He grinned like the fool he is when the cops came to arrest him. Not a whole lot of remorse there.
5) The police and DA obviously believe there is enough evidence to charge him with several crimes.
6) There are NO stories of RoMac or any family members attended any funerals that week. Did this “dead grandfather” even exist?
7) As a punishment for all this, Hue did…nothing. Didn’t even sit RoMac out a play. Nothing. A four-game suspension for “conduct detrimental to the team” would have been in order.”
Spot on RaiderDuck!
Nice post!
February 11th, 2012 at 4:36 pm
sorry guys 55 plays well enough for his 1mil this yr. We can wait and see. Nobodys forcing Tarver to play him..
February 11th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
55 is gone.
Right now Reggie is trying to get a 4th or 5th for him
February 11th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
748.No Mas Diamante Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Maybe hue can find some work as a foot or hand model.
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LOL.
Apparently he’s got the nails for it.
Who the fuk ever heard of a Raider head coach getting a pedicure as game time approaches?
February 11th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
The road to prominence will be quicker if just five of these guys turn out to be quality players: Pryor, Jones, Ausberry, Barksdale, McClain, Chekwa and VanDyke.
February 11th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
All the big saleries must go.. Unless they earn the $$..
February 11th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
760 all those guys have low saleries, so they will get plenty of chamces
February 11th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Knapp is like a traing bra for cp3. So that big boob doesnt go wild!
February 11th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
I have high hopes that our new staff cam coach up the D.. Not a bres fam
February 11th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
when routt ends up on the chiefs…they will have the best secondary in the nfl…..
February 11th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
765.. Route is waaay overpaid. Good riddence. And yhe cowpies are asking about him
February 11th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
We need to steal carr from the chefs
February 11th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
You have to want Romac to do well this year.
I like that DA is going “coach” these guys up!
I’m just excited to see a lot less penalties. That is a “coaching” issue and in my opinion that is what a good head coach needs to have control of. Our offense had to overcome all the stupid penalties as well as new QB, dmacs injury, etc.
With as bad as our Divison is, CP3 an offseason, New HC that will fix the defense and have that side of the ball be an “asset” , a lot less penalties, either Dmac back healthy or traded for some other players, I expect us to finally win this Divison and get in the playoffs!!
February 11th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
RIP Whitney Houston…
February 11th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
739.Hardline Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Debo,
The point with McClain is:
He jeopardized a $23M personal service contract and embarrassed the Raider for getting tangled up with gunplay in AL, even if he isn’t guilty of alleged crimes.
McClain is too dumb to play for the Raiders……lack of intelligence and talent.
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Funny, Nick Saban called him one of the smartest players he’s ever coached.
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When you get arrested on a gun charge, are sitting there in handcuffs, and you decide to give a cheesy grin to someone with a camera? You are as dumb as a rock.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
ENGLANDRAIDER Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
748.No Mas Diamante Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Maybe hue can find some work as a foot or hand model.
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LOL.
Apparently he’s got the nails for it.
Who the fuk ever heard of a Raider head coach getting a pedicure as game time approaches?
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Even worse is who in their right mind would allow a camera crew inside a nail salon, and then give an interview, making it clear he’s proud of his buffed nails.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Hey, it’s not that Hue doesn’t have the smarts, he does.
Not that he can’t add to someone’s asst staff, he could.
It’s whether or not a HC wants someone on his staff who could be a PR disaster? Who might undermine the HC? Who might continue on with saying really really stupid things to reporters, that draw attention? Who really does walk around as if he’s all that, and thinks everyone should know it.
Don’t know about you, but I sure wouldn’t want to deal with that garbage.
Just not worth it.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
But during the season, in the heat of a divisional race, you don’t bench starters to make a point.
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Of course you do. Didn’t Bellichik bench Wes Welker for statements about Rob Ryan or the Falcons benched their starting safety before the Super Bowl because he got jacked with some ho? There are countless stories of solid starters getting benched before college bowl games at that level. It’s what good coaches do to control their players, show who is in charge and instill discipline.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
772. Yup huurt talked hself out of alot of opportunites
February 11th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
773. Hell yes you do
February 11th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
771.R8rArt Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Hey, it
February 11th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Even worse is who in their right mind would allow a camera crew inside a nail salon, and then give an interview, making it clear he’s proud of his buffed nails.
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While his ship is sinking? 2 people: the captain of that luxury liner that crashed and Hue Jackson.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:45 pm
PLAYA HATIN’ IN THE MDR
Yo yo yo, give it up for your boy Beeech Dawg! Already racked up 3 bjs and a mini orgy before 5pm.
Gettin’ ready to rock the Reggae Party Boat, it’s a little overcast but the PARTYDUDE 8000 should perk that up. The limbo contest should be off the hizzy!
Yo Goobers, take an opportunity to smack around the newest blog punching bag in training, Peemore Bust’s newest sock puppet, Roasted Duck!
This creampuff provides excellent blog dweeb comedy! Watch him whimper for help while you deliver an EASY backhand.
Try it, blog brahs – you’ll like it!
It’s got the Beeech Dawg official stamp of approval.
CERTIFIED PLATINUM POSSE REPRESENT MO THUGS
February 11th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
I don’t think Jackson talked himself out of anything. Guys mouth off at the end of tough losses especially when they get eliminated. It happens all the time. What got Jackson effed was his football acumen or lack thereof.
February 11th, 2012 at 5:50 pm
here is an excellent shot of biachi getting his boat launched:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BuOjcs9jYig
February 11th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Fisking “Master Beeeeeeeeeeeeecham”
PLAYA HATIN’ IN THE MDR
–Meaningless–
Yo yo yo, give it up for your boy Beeech Dawg! Already racked up 3 bjs and a mini orgy before 5pm.
–He spanked it to internet porn. Goatse Man, probably.–
Gettin’ ready to rock the Reggae Party Boat, it’s a little overcast but the PARTYDUDE 8000 should perk that up. The limbo contest should be off the hizzy!
–Getting set to watch MMA.–
Yo Goobers, take an opportunity to smack around the newest blog punching bag in training, Peemore Bust’s newest sock puppet, Roasted Duck!
–Mindless name-calling. Whatever.–
This creampuff provides excellent blog dweeb comedy! Watch him whimper for help while you deliver an EASY backhand.
–Trying to make you think he’s a “Playa.” Doesn’t succeed.–
Try it, blog brahs – you’ll like it!
–Nobody even likes this guy–
It’s got the Beeech Dawg official stamp of approval.
–As if his approval meant anything positive–
CERTIFIED PLATINUM POSSE REPRESENT MO THUGS
–Just him and his inflate-a-mate–
February 11th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
Peemore Bust, when you invented your newest sock puppet Roasted Duck, did you intentionally make him laughingly easy to slap around?
It make sense because:
1) Takes some of the punishment off you
2) You’re an idiot
Probably both, huh? Thought so!
GETTIN’ LOOSE WITH SOME PERFECT 10 CABOOSE
February 11th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
The only “Caboose” Beeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeecham ever sees is when he plays with his choo-choo trains….
February 11th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Peemore Bust, it must be tough trying desperately to write a comeback, log off, then log on as Roasted Duck to write another one.
However, it’s pretty hilarious for me and the rest of my blog homies!
Keep scrambling, Bust! Hilarious
February 11th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
mistress biachi!!! You are either the coolest dude on earth or a POS! The “Partydude 8000″ is either a cool ass submarine or it’s sunk at the bottom of the drink like your “rap career”. Gotta be the latter. Don’t worry maybe your mom and dad will buy you another kids karoke setup. Sucks to be you dude!
February 11th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:00 pm
Peemore Bust, it must be tough trying desperately to write a comeback, log off, then log on as Roasted Duck to write another one.
However, it’s pretty hilarious for me and the rest of my blog homies!
Keep scrambling, Bust! Hilarious
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“Blog homies???” You mean the ones that either ignore or mock you? Whatever. Enjoy your imaginary life.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
And now log off Peemore and scribble that weak comeback from Roasted Duck!
Hurry, if you do it quick enough, you might actually believe you really do have a friend backing you up!
So funny, pouring a phat marg from the PARTYDUDE 8000, kicking back, and watching the circus!
February 11th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
Peemore, you’re going to have to soak those typing digits in Palmolive after I finish you off!
You’re probably going to sprain something typing for you and your creampuff sock puppet Roast Duck!
Blog homies, are you enjoying the ultimate Peemore MELTDOWN? Those tighty whities he’s soiled in desperation will never recover!
HOLLA BACK, MO WIZZLE FRESH
February 11th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
And now log off Peemore and scribble that weak comeback from Roasted Duck!
Hurry, if you do it quick enough, you might actually believe you really do have a friend backing you up!
So funny, pouring a phat marg from the PARTYDUDE 8000, kicking back, and watching the circus!
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PartyDude 8000? Right, pal. In other words, you’re sitting in the spare bedroom of your mom’s place. Nobody’s buying.
BTW, not only am I nobody’s sockpuppet, I’ve never even met Seymour Bush. Have no idea who the cat is. It just KILLS you that your number of friends is approximately zero, doesn’t it? Just kills you.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:09 pm
Say biachi you couldn’t SPELL “rap” if we spotted you the lst two letters. If you actually did have a boat, the only ones on it would be the coast guard looking to impound it as a sea hazard.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
Something is starting to smell bad in here. Is it the rotting shrimp cocktails that you bought and no one showed up?
February 11th, 2012 at 6:12 pm
So funny, pouring a phat marg from the PARTYDUDE 8000, kicking back, and watching the circus!
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Whitney Houston is probably having more fun in the morgue.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Peemore Bust … Epic IMPLOSION!
Love how your hilarious blog puppy Roasted Duck is obviously not living up to expectations.
That’s why I ALWAYS encourage my minions to just come out and ask for my signature beat down.
Could’ve saved you a ton of effort in creating Roasted Duck, right?
btw, the Certified Platinum Posse are smoking cigs and busting a gut right now! The circus is still in town, wizzle
February 11th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
btw, the Certified Platinum Posse are smoking cigs and busting a gut right now!
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The Certified Platinum Posse are his mom and dad.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Cool Vid of what just happened to mistress biachi:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUBqRQ
February 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
btw, the Certified Platinum Posse are smoking cigs and busting a gut right now! The circus is still in town, wizzle
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Really? Certified Platinum Posse??? OK, I’ll play.
What the official name of your album?
What was the listed group name?
What label was it released on?
What was the date of release?
Who was the Producer?
What was the official name of the studio where it was recorded?
What is the registration number of your laughably named “PartyDude 8000″ boat?
What country is it registered through?
What was the last inspection date?
If you can answer these questions with truthful, checkable answers, then MAYBE someone on this board will believe you.
Since you won’t be able to, then go away and quit flaming your betters (and “betters” means everyone on this board with the possible exception of Dvrick).
February 11th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
btw, the Certified Platinum Posse are smoking cigs and busting a gut right now! The circus is still in town, wizzle
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Really? Certified Platinum Posse??? OK, I’ll play.
What the official name of your album?
What was the listed group name?
What label was it released on?
What was the date of release?
Who was the Producer?
What was the official name of the studio where it was recorded?
What is the registration number of your laughably named “PartyDude 8000″ boat?
What country is it registered through?
What was the last inspection date?
If you can answer these questions with truthful, checkable answers, then MAYBE someone on this board will believe you.
Since you won’t be able to, then go away and quit flaming your betters (and “betters” means everyone on this board with the possible exception of Dvrick).
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The visual of this post: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=11e8XyUBqRQ
February 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Where’d mistress biachi go? Probably to his mom and dad to tell on us for “internet bullying her.”
February 11th, 2012 at 6:40 pm
Let’s all piss our lives away arguing about a bunch of meaningless crap.
February 11th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 6:29 pm
Where’d mistress biachi go? Probably to his mom and dad to tell on us for “internet bullying her.”
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Or maybe spanking it to Goatse again…
February 11th, 2012 at 7:03 pm
RIP Whitney Houston.
How many great performers have we lost due to drug use.
Wow!
February 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Ha ha, ok Roasted Duck, I’ll “play along”!
You post one legitimate picture of yourself to prove you’re a real live human and NOT a squishy soft sock puppet of Peemore Bust, and I’ll consider releasing some details of my ultra exclusive VIP party world.
C’mon Peemore – er, I mean Roasted Duck – this is a mess you created for yourself!
Let’s see how you flail your way into yet another Certified Platinum Posse-approved smack down!
February 11th, 2012 at 7:51 pm
Why he doesn’t have a job is beyond me,
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LMAO!!
Does it not shock anyone else, that the guy who thinks Jamarcus got a raw deal, and will have a “bidding” war this offseason for his services, has no clue why Hue doesn’t have a job??
February 11th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 7:15 pm
Ha ha, ok Roasted Duck, I’ll “play along”!
You post one legitimate picture of yourself to prove you’re a real live human and NOT a squishy soft sock puppet of Peemore Bust, and I’ll consider releasing some details of my ultra exclusive VIP party world.
C’mon Peemore – er, I mean Roasted Duck – this is a mess you created for yourself!
Let’s see how you flail your way into yet another Certified Platinum Posse-approved smack down!
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A picture of myself would prove nothing; you would have no way of knowing if it was me or just a screengrab off the internet, and I would have no way of showing otherwise.
On the other hand, you claim to be some high-rolling rapper who parties at Ritz penthouses ($7500/night) and has a full production crew. Surely, a simple album title wouldn’t be too much to provide? Except, of course, that I could look it up and see if it’s genuine or not. I could check your boat registration and see if that’s on the up-and-up. In short, ANY details you provided about your imaginary lifestyle could be used to bring down your pretend world like a house of cards.
But go and regale us with stories of your “Certified Platinum Posse” and “In-Home Studio” and other made-up details. Go ahead and bore us. So, you were dropping a deuce at the Olive Garden while writing some mad rhymes and then what happened again?
February 11th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RaiderDuck making full frontal assault on Capt Steubing!
February 11th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
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#Rams DBs coach Clayton Lopez also is under consideration to join Johnny Lynn on #Raiders staff to work w/DBs, @FOXSports.com has learned.
February 11th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
Kickass! Just got back from the 69 of the year with a mo fly stripper from Spearmint Rhino!
Anyone know if they made Magnum Extras for Gs packing mad heat?
Peemore Bust – I mean, your lil sock puppet Roasted Raider – hanging around for another minion whipping session!
Love the obedience, classic minion. Gots to keep it real, whut
Anyway lil sock puppet, you have to somehow prove you’re not some flimsy piece of cloth with Peemore’s fist up your poop chute.
Don’t worry Roasted Raider – we know you can’t. But me and the rest of my blog brahs will LOVE watching you continue chase your tail!
MINION MELTDOWN IN EFFECT, SIZZLE TO THE FIZZLE, WORD
February 11th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
779. Hue lost his hc job cause he lost.. But getting passed over for oc and assistant jobs is because of his dumb mouth
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
As of Friday, Seymour’s contract is all guaranteed.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Looks like Peemore Bust has packed up his personalities into his purse and headed to the mall!
Yet another wonderful blog humiliation for the poor punching bag!
Would feel sorry for the most abused minion in blog history if my homies didn’t enjoy the free entertainment so much
Anyway, your boi the Beeech Dawg is taking a few hits of X and jumping in the hot tub with the Beeech Dawgettes! Then hitting Jer Ne for some dope Ritz action, the joint’s gonna be PACKED with out of town MiLFS tonight.
DJ booth is set up in the penthouse and cabinet is stocked with shrimp Cup O Noodles. It’s gonna be another late night Pajama Jammy Jam up in here, gots to keep it real
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February 11th, 2012 at 9:14 pm
HenryWoffordCSN Henry Wofford
Reportedly the Raiders have hired two more assistant coaches. Johnny Lynn (defensive backs)& Mark Hutson (tight ends).
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I really like both of these hires. Both have been coordinators as well as position coaches.
Mark Hutson was also an interim head coach at the D-II level.
February 11th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
I don’t think we need to blow up the defense. I’ve seen our current and recent defenses play well against the run when they have put their mind to it, it never lasted beyond one game here or there but the players we have (with a few additions and some serious restructuring of bloated contracts) can do it – it boils down to gap discipline and just doing your job. Our new rookie HC seems like that’s just what he’ll bring to the table. Discipline, accountability. I’m pretty excited! We need some linebackers and corners and we’re on our way!
February 11th, 2012 at 9:30 pm
I think we can get another year out of seymour, given he restructured. And TK can be a force w/ pressure and against the run- he just needs a strong willed coach to keep a foot up his azz and keep him focused
February 11th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
Raidahs’ got all the wizards workin game and gettin ready for the season.
Now time to squeeze a pinch and stare at it while the lyrics flow.
HOLLA WIZZLE HOT HOT JIZZLE MO PINCH
February 11th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
This dude Master Byatch is hilarious.
Either this guy is The Master Pimp, or he needs to admit himself to the Loonie bin.
Why do MB and SeymourBush like each other so much, either way the dialogue is hilarious!
February 11th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
730.RaiderDuck Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I see. And all 32 had openings? Do you think Hue will ever coach in the NFL again?
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Most of 32 had one or more openings on their offensive staff, and even if they didn’t, there’s always room for a “Senior Offensive Assistant” or some such (a la Saunders). Nobody hired him. For ANYTHING. Just like nobody’s brought JaPaycheck in for so much as a workout in over a year, and nobody signed him to futures deal.
Now, Hue’s NFL future is certainly brighter than JaPaycheck’s (how could it not be), but it’s still instructive that NOBODY wants to hire the guy.
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Would Hue still get paid his 2 mill from the Raiders if he took an asst job somewhere else?
February 11th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
808.YoungAmerican Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
As of Friday, Seymour’s contract is all guaranteed.
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Then hard to imagine him not on the team this year. If they had plans to drop him they already would have right?
I picture Mark right now:
Mark: Reggie, weren’t u supposed to cut Seymour before his contract was guaranteed?
Reggie: Oh crap. Yeah. I’m sorry, I forgot about that.
That’s okay, I’ll take care of that next week.
Mark: That’s gonna cost me another 7.5 mill.
Reggie: Yeah. Sorry bout that. I’ve had alot going on.
Nope. They must want him back.
February 11th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
That is real stupid, retaining Seymour. The only thing I would give Seymour is the ax handle upside his head, tar and feathers, escort out of town, and a nut clipping to make sure no more of his defective DNA enters the gene pool.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Alex7 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
I just realized something.
Raiderweaponx, aka goodole, is a woman.
ttfn?
ta ta for now?
No guy with descending balls ever muttered ta ta for now.
Henceforth, Raiderweaponx will now be known as Susie.
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Alex your football takes are usually off in left field but this was hilarious!
February 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Twocents Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I never played Pebble, I thought it was too expensive and poorly maintained. I did play Cypress Point once, back when I was somebody.
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I stuck on Cypress Point once myself! Great course!
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