Lynn, Hutson join Raiders coaching staff
By Steve Corkran
Saturday, February 11th, 2012 at 11:50 pm in Oakland Raiders.
New Raiders head coach Dennis Allen has added Johnny Lynn and Mark Hutson to his coaching staff, according to Fox Sports.
Lynn will be an assistant defensive backs coach. Hutson will be an assistant tight ends coach. Allen has not hired anyone to be the primary coaches at either of those spots yet.
Rod Woodson and Kevin Ross coached the Raiders secondary last season. There hasn’t been any definitive word whether either will be asked back for another season.
Lynn was the New York Giants defensive coordinator in 2002-03. Most recently, he coached defensive backs for the 49ers, Baltimore Ravens, Tampa Bay Buccaneers and Philadelphia Eagles.
The Eagles fired Lynn after the 2011 season after the Eagles’ highly touted secondary, which included former Raiders standout Nnamdi Asomugha, failed to play at a high level for most of the season.
Hutson spent the past five seasons as the offensive line coach at Tulane. He finished last season as the team’s co-offensive coordinator and interim head coach after Bob Toledo got fired.
Fox Sports said it’s possible that Allen also will hire Clayton Lopez to work with the secondary. Lopez spent the past three seasons as the St. Louis Rams secondary coach.
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February 11th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
Primero,
February 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Yeah I know, lame. But wifey is outta town and I’m trying to stay outta trouble…
February 11th, 2012 at 11:55 pm
Waiting for Call of Duty 4 Black Ops to load….
February 11th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
Good to hire coaches…thanks Cork!
February 11th, 2012 at 11:59 pm
guess Rod Woodson is out….
February 12th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Perhaps Sam. Last year was his first in coaching and since he’s got fame and noteriety maybe young coaches are intimidated. “You can’t HANDLE the truth!”
February 12th, 2012 at 12:01 am
According to Corky,
“The Eagles fired Lynn after the 2011 season after the Eagles’ highly touted secondary, which included former Raiders standout Nnamdi Asomugha, failed to play at a high level for most of the season.”
The reason the Eagles D failed to live up to expectations is because they hired Nnamdi Asomugha. This guy is the biggest addle-pate to hit the NFL. 14 INT’s in 9 seasons ? Lester Hayes got 39 in 8 seasons, while Rod Woodson got 71 INT’s, 20 of those with the Raiders.
Nnamdi Asomugha is a trained monkey sitting on the shoulder of King Kong.
The fact the Eagles thought he was a play maker demonstrates their stupidity.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Does any NFL team need this many dang coaches?
Special asst’s, “Senior advisors”, etc. etc. etc.
There’s more coaches than players.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Corky, you are dorky. Your claim that Asomugha was a Raiders standout is about as bad as your claim that SD was dog-whipped and would just lay down, last game of the season.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:03 am
The Raiders of yore didn’t need coaches. Why do you think Madden was so freakin quiet on the sidelines in those days ?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:05 am
You go Hardline, tell the world what you think on early Sunday am…
February 12th, 2012 at 12:06 am
Uh these days are not the days of yore though. Not even close….the yuuts today need all the coaching and structure they can get…
Part of why we SUCKED so bad last decade or two…
February 12th, 2012 at 12:08 am
Seriously. What a nice gig to have being an “asst db coach”.
You probably do nothing but stand around for half the year.
What does an “asst db coach” make? Like 3-500,000 k?
Nice.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:09 am
The underwhelming them continues. I hope it works.
I don’t think it will work very well with the older players, we’re going to need to replace most players over 26 or so.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:10 am
JLofty, true enough…..when the likes of McClain risks a $23M contract for personal services, lies to the team saying he needs go to AL. to attend his grandfather’s funeral, never makes it there but instead engages in gunplay that could land him in prison for years, you know we are in big trouble.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:10 am
I want the “Special liasion to the junior asst. outside linebackers” coaching job.
I can do it.
I’m good with a clipboard and arbitrarily jotting stuff down making ut appear like i’m doing something.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:12 am
That is as bad as Whitney Houston getting hooked up with the likes of Bozo Bobby Brown, ends up addicted to booze and crack, destroys her voice, and dies alone in a hotel……
Genius !!!
February 12th, 2012 at 12:15 am
“Asst. Junior Consultant to the Sub Asst. of the Practice Squad Special Teams”.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:16 am
I don’t think the asst coaches make that much. Still make good $$ I’m sure but not a half mil…
Remember most coaches don’t make squat. Those stories Cable told of him sleeping in vans on the beach to coach SD State…
February 12th, 2012 at 12:18 am
But seriously, it’s kind of a big drop for Johnny Lynn to go from DC of the Giants to being the asst. to the DB coach.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:20 am
Like Callahan going from AFC Champion HC to now being ..whatever he is in Dallas now.
Asst. Oline coach?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:25 am
I’d like to see Woodson stay on as DB coach if for no other reason than NOT seeing him back on NFLN taking turns with Sapp on ripping on the Raiders.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:32 am
Woody was alright on TV. Sapp is a d0uche but lets face it, rippin the Raiders for the last decade has not required a masters degree or anything…
February 12th, 2012 at 12:57 am
I like Woodson on Tv too. I’ve never seen him target the Raiders for unwarranted dumping.
It almost looks like we may keep him seeing as Allen hired the asst. for the job already.
Who knows. Guess we’ll find out soon enough.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:59 am
Cork is up working late.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:00 am
I don’t like Sapp, but I have to say his criticism of the Raiders for the lack of ‘gap discipline’ has been spot on.
The truth hurts sometimes.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:45 am
Woodson does not trash Raiders. If so do you think they would have hired him last year? Now Sapp he is an ass!
February 12th, 2012 at 5:16 am
Dam I read this on a Philly site. I hope Allen knows what he is doing!
“Lynn must be an awful coach, the Niners and Giants couldn’t wait to get rid of him, and Andy’s pretty loyal even to bad coaches ( Rory Segrest lasted forever), so for him to last just one season, he had to be bad. Juan deserves better than demotion to dback coach, so it’ll be interesting to see what the Eagles do next.”
February 12th, 2012 at 5:33 am
Djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Does any NFL team need this many dang coaches?
Special asst’s, “Senior advisors”, etc. etc. etc.
There’s more coaches than players.
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As bad as this team was .. HELL YEAH, any team that gives up 99 yard drives
needs as many coaches as possible.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:35 am
Djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:25 am
I’d like to see Woodson stay on as DB coach if for no other reason than NOT seeing him back on NFLN taking turns with Sapp on ripping on the Raiders.
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Only ripping i heard was “I think they need more playmakers on defense”
February 12th, 2012 at 6:05 am
With more coaches thry’ll be able to get more specific with each of the players. This type of a staff seems perfect for our HC, in that he’s an attention to detail kind of guy. They’ll be able to really pay attention to details. If someone is really screwing up their assignments, they’ll be able to make changes at a quicker pace. Remember all the penalties! Atleast I’m hoping that this is what’s going to happen. Who know’s maybe these guys only needed a change of scenery.
February 12th, 2012 at 6:31 am
I think rod should be asked back for another season. Look who he had to work with. Give him some play makers at CB and we can keep the train rolling. And lots of negativity about Lynn from the Fagles. But screw them. Not their fault they invested in alot on nnam and a soft cant tackle cb like assante. And lynn is nothing but a Assistant CB coach for us to it doesnt bother me
February 12th, 2012 at 7:03 am
I like Rod Woodson, but our secondary progressively got worse as the season went along, with 16 game starters like Stan Routt, regressing massively at the end of the year.
That is ALWAYS a horrible sign for the coach, when his players get worse over time.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:17 am
I don’t care if Routt is talented and some other team scarfs him up. Our defense can only get better without him. We don’t need over payed sh*t players anymore.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:19 am
I don’t think Routt will be an addition by subtraction thing. DVD certainly won’t be an immediate upgrade of Routt. I do think it was the right move to wave him, because for $10 million a year, we can get a better corner than him and another player or two.
But Hue Jackson? That was addition by subtraction.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:22 am
Routt would have made a decent #2 CB. Damn Al and his stupid contracts. Should have kept Nnamdi and let Seymour go.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:23 am
If the Raiders make the playoffs next year, Reggie should win an executive of the year award.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:25 am
If the Raiders make the playoffs next year, Reggie should win an executive of the year award.
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Not sure about the latter, BUT WE ARE winning the division next year.
Not a doubt in my mind.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Why am I so sure we will make the playoffs?
The two most important positions in football, QB and HC, will be major upgraded from last year.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Just because you can play the position, doesn’t mean you can coach the position. Some people just don’t have the take charge mentality required to be a coach. Last year Woodson never had control of his guys. You can be their buddy, or you can be their coach, you can’t be both.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:54 am
Anyone else think the firing of Routt is the beginning of fixing the penalty problem? Most penalized guy in the league will NOT be on our team next year.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Oldschoolraider Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Just because you can play the position, doesn’t mean you can coach the position. Some people just don’t have the take charge mentality required to be a coach. Last year Woodson never had control of his guys. You can be their buddy, or you can be their coach, you can’t be both.
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Exhibit A: Our own 2006 Oakland Raiders, which featured two offensive line coaches: Hall-of-Famer Jackie Slater, and not-Hall-of-Fame-caliber-but-still-had-a-pretty-good-career Irv Eatman. The result of all this playing know-how: Possibly the worst o-line in the history of the league.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Oldschoolraider Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Just because you can play the position, doesn’t mean you can coach the position. Some people just don’t have the take charge mentality required to be a coach. Last year Woodson never had control of his guys. You can be their buddy, or you can be their coach, you can’t be both.
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One of the biggest problems for someone as good as RW was to coach others is to help them develop talent in areas that may have come naturally to himself. Sometimes it is better to have someone that had to depend on his smarts when he was playing because he was slow or small or both and overplayed his position than a freak of nature that RW was – especially early in his career. I did think that RW continued to play well as a safety at the end of his career so I thought he might be a good coach but realistically that was his first year coaching in any capacity.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Ousting of Seymour will also send a key message to team that brainless penalties and selective effort won’t cut it.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Oldschoolraider Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:44 am
Just because you can play the position, doesn’t mean you can coach the position. Some people just don’t have the take charge mentality required to be a coach. Last year Woodson never had control of his guys. You can be their buddy, or you can be their coach, you can’t be both.
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Exhibit A: Our own 2006 Oakland Raiders, which featured two offensive line coaches: Hall-of-Famer Jackie Slater, and not-Hall-of-Fame-caliber-but-still-had-a-pretty-good-career Irv Eatman. The result of all this playing know-how: Possibly the worst o-line in the history of the league.
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Possibly the worst??? How many sacks did they give up like 75 or something. With Walsh as the OC the schemes were terrible so it may not of all been the lines fault. I know this for sure that was the worst offense I have ever seen the Raiders put out on the field or the worst AFC west offense I have ever seen only to be exceeded by the Tampa Bay Bucs their first couple of years. Go Beavs!
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sports Illustrated reported Saturday that Seymour’s 20102 contract recently became fully guaranteed for $15 million.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:20 am
According to PFT, Seymore isn’t going anywhere.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sports Illustrated reported Saturday that Seymour’s 20102 contract recently became fully guaranteed for $15 million.
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That will hurt for FA’s. Hard to reload with that hanging around your neck. Thanks Al!
February 12th, 2012 at 8:23 am
hopefully it’s part of a re-structure and trade move
February 12th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Seymour will only be here one more season. Way too much money to pay a used to be great lineman who has shown leadership by getting kicked out of 2 games and being flagged for multiple personal foul penalties. Get rid of Kelly and our presnap penalties on the D line drop 50%
February 12th, 2012 at 8:25 am
I guess the news about Seymour illustrates the problem with Al and free agency. He was never any good since that came into place except for the Gruden years. Bad contracts and putting the organization at the mercy of players restructuring when they have no trade value because their contracts are so bad.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
or maybe Seymour makes it easier for us to transition to a predominately 3-4 alignment.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Like PFT said, the choice was to pay Seymour $7.5 mil to NOT be here, or $15 mil to be here.
I still say he’s only a part-time player now, but his professionalism during the week will be invaluable for a young, impressionable team. Plus that $15 mil is off the books after this coming season, free and clear.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Seymour only has 1 year left on his contract…Kelly has 3 I think which would make him more of a financial liability and a better choice for releasing re-structuring.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Jerry or Cork
A good article would be how much dead money do we have in contracts right now. Is there any cap hit from JR still or from several of our past FA bust signings such as DeAngelo Hall?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Rod Woodson never seemed 100% committed that he wanted to be a coach.
He didn’t go into coaching right away, and turned down offers from Al previously.
I think he would be much, much better, in an advisory, maybe front office liasion to the players type.
Teaching technique to practice squad guys might not be exciting enough for a HOF player, and NFL TV guy.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Woodson was a great all around player, but not sure he can coach.
Either these DB’s are uncoachable or Woodson doesn’t have the skills.
The secondary was terrible and very undisciplined.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sports Illustrated reported Saturday that Seymour’s 20102 contract recently became fully guaranteed for $15 million.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I thought only $7.5 million is guaranteed, so what happened? How did it become all guaranteed.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Seymour has obviously not lived up to the leadership role and it will be interesting to see if any moves are made, regardless of the horrible contract status.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I think with Seymour, with only 1 year left on the deal, we will just take our medicine this season and be much better off for it.
Any type of restructure, ALWAYS gives up more guaranteed money (why else would a player do it) and just spreads out the contract.
I think it is a good move to keep him around at this rate, bite the bullet, and be much better off in 2013 and beyond.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I don’t think the new coaching staff knows that Jerry or Cork exist.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sports Illustrated reported Saturday that Seymour’s 20102 contract recently became fully guaranteed for $15 million.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I thought only $7.5 million is guaranteed, so what happened? How did it become all guaranteed
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/richard-seymour-isnt-going-anywhere/
February 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Sports Illustrated reported Saturday that Seymour’s 20102 contract recently became fully guaranteed for $15 million.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I thought only $7.5 million is guaranteed, so what happened? How did it become all guaranteed.
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Sounds like it was the same deal as Routt: If he was still on the roster 5 days after the waiver period opened (this last Monday), it all became guaranteed. We cut Routt. We didn’t cut Seymour.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
I can not see Kelly staying without a massive restructure. I actually think he will be cut because it will allow some of the younger players to develop more and free up money for FAs.
I get the choice with Seymour at this point. 7.5 million additional cap hit to keep him here. What I don’t get is how Davis structured the contract to virtually guarantee he would be here even if he totally dropped off in production at the end of his career.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Anywhere care to revisit our debate last offseason, when 99% of posters in here were whooping it up on how we fleeced the Patriots on the Seymour deal?
I was the only one who said you got to let it play out for many more years, to decide who won that trade, and people disagreed passionately.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:31 am
I don’t think the new coaching staff knows that Jerry or Cork exist.
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Remember that Reggie comes from Green Bay, where they are super-locked-down 100% of the time because they believe that ANYTHING you release to the media might give an opponent a competitive advantage. Reggie obviously has the same attitude.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
As of right now, i have to agree with Steve when he predicts we’ll be right around 8-8, 9-7 next year.
Only reason being is the strentgh of schedule and 5 east coast games. You know how we do on the east coast.
Ravens
Bengals
Dolphins
Falcons
Panthers
February 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
I think Woodson will be a good coach, but he needs to learn. Maybe asst coach is a better fit for him now.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Anywhere care to revisit our debate last offseason, when 99% of posters in here were whooping it up on how we fleeced the Patriots on the Seymour deal?
I was the only one who said you got to let it play out for many more years, to decide who won that trade, and people disagreed passionately.
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The difference is that the 2010 Seymour was still a reasonable facsimile of the “classic” Richard Seymour. 2011 was when he started getting old.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Huff takes Routt’s place, and Seymour stays.
I guess I can live with that.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:35 am
JFB
I think we got a fair trade (i.e Win-Win) – it was what Davis did afterward with the extension that disturbs me. Another point is that is the type of trade you make when you need one or two pieces to go the the playoffs or superbowl. We were not at that point. I guess AD was desperate – just like Hue with Palmer.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I think we could bring in a whole new crop of lower-paid, younger or journeyman players for our front 7 and you wouldn’t see much of a drop-off in our defensive play.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Anywhere care to revisit our debate last offseason, when 99% of posters in here were whooping it up on how we fleeced the Patriots on the Seymour deal?
I was the only one who said you got to let it play out for many more years, to decide who won that trade, and people disagreed passionately.
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uh, isn’t that the difference between a “prediction” and “reality”? Early on, you should have taken a position one way or the other.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
I think at least one of those East Coast games will be a SNF or Thursday night game.
I am thinking maybe the Falcons or Panthers.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Sounds like it was the same deal as Routt: If he was still on the roster 5 days after the waiver period opened (this last Monday), it all became guaranteed. We cut Routt. We didn’t cut Seymour.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I hope he is willing to restructure. I don’t think he is worth that much money.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I think that most of Seymour’s effort and effectiveness went towards making Tommy Kelly seem like a Pro-bowl DT, at least stats-wise.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Deja Vu Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:34 am
As of right now, i have to agree with Steve when he predicts we’ll be right around 8-8, 9-7 next year.
Only reason being is the strentgh of schedule and 5 east coast games. You know how we do on the east coast.
Ravens
Bengals
Dolphins
Falcons
Panthers
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Right now I think we are in a window from going 6-10 at worst to 11-5 at best. There is a lot of territory before we know what kind of team we have at this point. I think we are going to see Boss and Kelly get cut and there may be some more cuts – there may be trades if the price is right and then there are going to be some FA signings on defense. I think the offense will be better next year if they can stay reasonably healthy but that is about the only certainty.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
uh, isn’t that the difference between a “prediction” and “reality”? Early on, you should have taken a position one way or the other.
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My position was that it was too early to tell.
I STILL say, it is too early to tell. Seymour could lead us to the Super Bowl this year and have 5 postseason sacks. Who knows?
The point is, so many people (as is the case too many times on here) were ready to claim victory way before the finish line.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Who did New England select with our Seymour pick?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Seymour will only restructure if he wants to play another year with the Raiders. He does not even know the DC or HC yet so why would he do that – he holds all the cards and has all the power here. He would want considerable money garunteed for 2013 to lower money he already has for this year. Like I said – thanks Al!
February 12th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Nate Solder, who started at RT and some LT when Light was out.
“On the regular season, Nate Solder has allowed just three sacks and four pressures on 880 snaps, according to Pro Football Focus. He has also committed just five penalties.”
I think we could have used that over Barnes more so than Seymour’s “Pro Bowl” season.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:32 am
Why am I so sure we will make the playoffs?
The two most important positions in football, QB and HC, will be major upgraded from last year.
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Vegas, you forgot #3 (in my opinion) D-line!!
BTW…isn’t Woodson now D coordinator in Cleveland or Cincinnati?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Who did New England select with our Seymour pick?
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The real question is who was available and who would we have picked. The temptation is to look at all the break out rookies and say we could of got him but reality is we could have picked a bust as well. Raiders have not had a lot of luck in the first round. That’s why I liked the trade at the time.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:47 am
We know that our D problems go well beyond one player, i.e., Seymour or Routt, and it will be interesting to see how much change that staff will be “able” to accomplish in one off-season. Good news is that we can’t get much worse.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:48 am
We better not lose to Cinci & Panthers next year.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:49 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:45 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Who did New England select with our Seymour pick?
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The real question is who was available and who would we have picked. The temptation is to look at all the break out rookies and say we could of got him but reality is we could have picked a bust as well. Raiders have not had a lot of luck in the first round. That’s why I liked the trade at the time.
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I agree…I liked the trade at the time for the fact our tendency in the 1st round was to reach. But for JFB’s debate about who won, I think it was win-win because NE got a good value player.
My problem with the trade was that I don’t think we were in the position where Seymour put us over the hump. But hope does spring eternal.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:51 am
For a prediction – I will predict that our differential in points will be better even if we step back and go 7-9 or 6-10. We had one of the worst point spreads for an 8-8 team last year.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:52 am
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I agree…I liked the trade at the time for the fact our tendency in the 1st round was to reach. But for JFB’s debate about who won, I think it was win-win because NE got a good value player.
My problem with the trade was that I don’t think we were in the position where Seymour put us over the hump. But hope does spring eternal.
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The comment that Seymour did not put us over the hump is the important point. It seems like we made moves as if we were another team at times. However, like I said I liked the trade at the time.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:54 am
If our offense can stay healthy…it could be good-to-great (Bush or not).
If our coaches can coach…our defense should improve regardless of who we keep or sign.
Our record should only depend on who we play and when.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:59 am
89, agree
February 12th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I’m not trying to say I won the debate, that isn’t what it is about.
I liked the trade, and still kind of do, but the lesson is to not count the chickens before they have hatched.
Even today we can’t do that. New England fans are probably beating their chest, thinking they got a possible pro bowl RT out of the deal, and he can blow out his achillies tomorrow and never amount to anything.
Got to let things play out a little. Just like Mistic claiming Palmer sucks, is a stop-gap, and cites his last “19 games”.
Let it play out, take a deep breath, and call it when it can be called.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:01 am
i thought seymour has 7.5 roster bonus and 7.5 salary-where’s gurantee?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Is there any value in trading Seymour? Or is that contract just too big?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Seymour is staying and getting his money no matter what us semi-pros think the folks that matter like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen have made the choice to keep him.
The reason is probably along the lines of what Florio at PFT is now reporting:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/richard-seymour-isnt-going-anywhere/
February 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Reggie McKenzie decided he would pay Seymour 7.5mil to play this year…the other 7.5 was already spent.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
With McFadden, Palmer, a new GM, a new head coach, and a new defensive coordinator, I think next year looks good.
And Pryor is waiting in the wings…
February 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am
I can’t wait to see TP play QB for the Raiders. He is the future.
6′6, 240, strong arm, can run, can make all the throws, but he needs to improve his throwing motion which will help his accuracy.
TP was a steal in the 3rd. I think if The OSU didn’t have all those issues this year, he would have been a late 1st RD pick in next year’s draft.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:22 am
In all honesty Im to The point of ” let Mckenzie and Allen do their thing….don’t know a lot about some of the coaching hirings or what they have have in mind…. It’s ” Trust time”…and I trust these guys….be real interesting to see what they have in mind for Pryor and his future with the Raiders…
February 12th, 2012 at 9:26 am
i guess 7.5 was in the bank. giving 7.5 to rich in a contract year good move as he’ll play his azz off to get his final contract here or somewhere else
February 12th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Our QB (TP), 2 RBs (DMC & Jones), and all our WRs (DHB, Ford, Moore, and Murphy) can run a Sub 4.4 40.
Speed kills.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Keeping Rich…would we be able to trade him?
Regardless…we were going to pay him his 7.5, would we be able to get a 3rd RD. maybe 4th RD. for him?
Or just keep him for the moral of the Defense?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Funny how so many were clamoring for Seymour to be dumped and virtually no one said anything about cutting Routt.
As soon as Routt was cut it was ‘a great move’ and Reggie’s ’sending a message.’
Now that it looks like Seymour’s staying everyone loves that decision too.
If RM announced that he was signing Vince Evans to be our QB in 2012 I bet half the board would be finding reasons to justify it.
I’m not even arguing against either decision. My feeling is that I think both guys can still definitely play at a high level, but both should be at about 65% of their salaries. The fact that teams are lining up to talk to Routt should tell you something about what talent evaluators think of his play. I also think that Seymour has something left in the tank. He was downright dominant through the first five games in 2011. Had 5.0 sacks and 4 tackles per game over that stretch. Was looking like a Defensive MVP candidate. Then he got injured. As you may recall he stopped practicing around that time. My guess is he was playing at about 70% health and just couldn’t do the things he was doing at the start of the season.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Reggie McKenzie decided he would pay Seymour 7.5mil to play this year…the other 7.5 was already spent.
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Very good point.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Hey Chris in NY,
How’s Huebris job hunting coming along? I thought you predicted Huebris would land with Pagano as their OC in Indy?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Since we got Seymour Tommie Kelly has played much better, Shaughnessy has emerged as a force, Desmond Bryant has played extremely well, and Lamar Houston has emerged. Think any of that is a coincidence?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:42 am
aig-raiders Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Hey Chris in NY,
How’s Huebris job hunting coming along? I thought you predicted Huebris would land with Pagano as their OC in Indy?
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Hue Jackson has got an offer on the table anytime he wants to ink it. From El Segundo High School.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Raiders rehire Hue Jackson. Just announced that the Raiders rehired Hubert to be assistant strength/conditioning coach. His specific assignment will be to curtail all those foot injuries by massaging and trimming the players’ toenails. Jackson commented, “I just love cleaning feet.”
February 12th, 2012 at 9:55 am
No Lo Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Jackson commented, “I just love cleaning feet.”
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Why don’t the Jets hire him then? He and Rex Ryan would be a natural fit…
February 12th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Don’t see how an Asian basketball player can help the raider coaching staff but ok ..Go Lynn!!
February 12th, 2012 at 10:15 am
Seymour and Kelly were the strength, not the weakness of the D these last two years. Still, I could’ve seen keeping Kelly and letting Seymour walk for these reasons:
- $15 million is way too much money for Seymour or really any DT playing in the NFL right now. I think he’s worth probably $8-$10 mil max.
- I think Des Bryant is ready to be a starter right now and it’s time to kick Houston inside.
- With Bryant, Houston and Kelly already in the DT rotation it’s not necessary to pay a fourth guy $15 million when the other three are all capable starters. Kelly Houston and Bryant probably aren’t even making $10 million combined.
Again, I like Seymour. I liked the trade for him and still do. Just saying, could’ve lived with this one either way. If it were up to me and I had a chance to get Red Bryant for about the money per year we’d save by letting Seymour walk I would’ve done it. Resigned Des Bryant to a long-term deal now. And let Kelly play out his contract.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Lin is from LA, CA.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Plunk-It Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 5:16 am
Dam I read this on a Philly site. I hope Allen knows what he is doing!
“Lynn must be an awful coach, the Niners and Giants couldn’t wait to get rid of him, and Andy’s pretty loyal even to bad coaches ( Rory Segrest lasted forever), so for him to last just one season, he had to be bad. Juan deserves better than demotion to dback coach, so it’ll be interesting to see what the Eagles do next.”
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When Lynn went to the NY giants they led the league in turnovers on the defensive side. Lynn coached with the Whiners, The giants, the Baltimore Ravens and then back to the Whiners. If what this guy is saying is true, why would the Whiners hire him back?
February 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I will say this about Fourth, many guys in the league think highly of him. Peter Kong said in the right system he would be a star. I like Chekwa but im all for signing Grimes or Finnegan
February 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Routt not Fourth *
February 12th, 2012 at 10:37 am
It is interesting to see what the Raiders are doing. They want turnovers on the defensive side. That is something that has been SORELY lacking. We just don’t have that “big play” mentality on defense. Since we don’t have it, it’s time to go find it.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:38 am
severeraiderz Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 10:32 am
I will say this about Fourth, many guys in the league think highly of him. Peter Kong said in the right system he would be a star. I like Chekwa but im all for signing Grimes or Finnegan
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Peter Kong is the bomb! I read him every chance I get. Dude put down the Bong and slow your roll when you type lol
February 12th, 2012 at 10:41 am
reasonably healthy but that is about the only certainty.
78.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:39 am
uh, isn’t that the difference between a “prediction” and “reality”? Early on, you should have taken a position one way or the other.
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My position was that it was too early to tell.
I STILL say, it is too early to tell. Seymour could lead us to the Super Bowl this year and have 5 postseason sacks. Who knows?
The point is, so many people (as is the case too many times on here) were ready to claim victory way before the finish line.
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Par for the course on this blog. Just like the Super Bowl procalmations the day we traded for Carson Palmer and the ticker-tape parade the other day when Routt was cut. Blog full of sheep.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Jesusraider
I don’t smoke or drink so slow ur roll, im typing on a damn touch screen phone
February 12th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Hopefully Seymore will remain injury free this season and give a 100% effort. He still has the ability to be a force especially in a 3-4. He is a man and he has to have some pride. I am sure he is aware of all the negative pub and attitude the fans have. I hope he can prove all the nasayers wrong, including myself.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:48 am
118 Just messin around did not mean any offense. Gotta admit Peter KONG is funny.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:51 am
coach Lynn (according to wiki):
University of Arizona (1987–1993)
Tampa Bay Buccaneers (1994–1995)
(Secondary)
San Francisco 49ers (1996)
(Secondary)
New York Giants (1997–2001)
(Defensive Backs)
New York Giants (2002–2003)
(Defensive Coordinator)
Baltimore Ravens (2004–2005)
(Secondary)
San Francisco 49ers (2006–2008)
(Secondary)
San Francisco 49ers (2009–2010)
(Special Assistant to the Head Coach/Secondary)
Philadelphia Eagles (2011)
(Secondary/Cornerbacks)
Oakland Raiders (2012)
(Defensive Backs)
February 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Richard Seymour is not worth the $15M just as Stanford Rout is not worth $11. Nnamdi wasn’t worth more than $3M per year, but for some reason mythically morphed, propagated mainly from the blogoshere, into the role of “shutdown corner”, which as we see, yielded the Eagles only 3 INT’s this season on his part.
If one examines it, there is an inverse proportion between payment and performance of the players: the more a player makes the worse the player’s performance. Examples are too numerous to state here.
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies. That seems to be from where most of the gems derive. The Raiders only need to bolster their scouting and talent acquisition depts, at a relatively low cost to gain tremendous talent on the cheap.
In any case, I believe Seymour will go completely flat, due to injuries and attitude. Thank God we cut Rout. Hopefully the same will be true of others.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Does anybody know if we’ve hired an Assistant to the Regional Manager yet?
February 12th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Hardline
Can’t argue with your statments but hope you are wrong about Seymour. I am hopin before they decided to keep and pay him Reg had a little sit down with him to see where his head is at.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:02 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
THIS Defense still has some great/soon-to-be-great players on it. If Shaughnessy is healthy, we’ll see if he’s the next Howie. This is Lamarr Houston’s year to break-out. If those are the types of young players that will be out-playing Seymour, then so be it. Life could be worse.
Richard Seymour has had a GREAT career for a D-lineman…and although he’s on the downhill side of it, it’s not SO downhill that his peers think he’s lost it. If the Raiders make a Playoff run with him on the team, Seymour will be a first-ballot HOF inductee. If everybody else on the D-line manages to out-play Seymour this year, the D-line will be great. I’m glad he’s here, so they try to.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:04 am
jesusraiderjim,
Seymour, has already been retained. Hopefully, there is still something left in the tank. The most worrisome thing about Seymour, besides his declining skills, is his serial commission of personal fouls that march our opponents up and down the field free gratis.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:07 am
HayesDaze37, # 125
I also like the potential in Giordano. I believe with proper coaching he could flourish and become a real playmaker.
Not sure about Seymour: if he can be controlled by the coaches he can still contribute. Personal fouls are too numerous with him.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I don’t think Allen will tolerate Seymour’s stupid penalties. Did he do that stuff when he was in New England?
February 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I hope Woodson gets another season to prove himself. The man knows his stuff and has always been a class act. It could be a benefit that he was only there one season with Hue. Come on training camp get here!
February 12th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Seymour does get too many 15-yard penalties. He needs to stop doing that, period. And Tommy Kelly does jump too often. But, replacing Tommy doesn’t “instantly” get rid of the Raiders’ off-sides penalties, as some have said in here.
ALL aggressive D-lineman jump…the great Howie would do it to an aggravating extent, but he made up for it. If — IF!! — the Raiders had won at least one more game last season, the penalty issue would be an asterisk on a good season.
This season, I boldly predict the Raiders WON’T be one of the 3 most penalized teams in the League.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:21 am
I really think the GM and the coach are gonna appeal to Seymour’s pride and the importance his veteran leadership can bring to the D. He has got to want to do more than just collect a paycheck. The GM had to think he had something left to offer before deciding to pay him the other 7.5 roster bonus
February 12th, 2012 at 11:23 am
This season, I boldly predict the Raiders WON’T be one of the 3 most penalized teams in the League.
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I agree, penalties will not be as big of an issue next season. I am excited too see what is gonna shake out! Wish camp started tomorrow.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:27 am
Albert Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I don’t think Allen will tolerate Seymour’s stupid penalties. Did he do that stuff when he was in New England?
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What stupid penalties MR? If you mean where he tackled Tom Brady after the whistle blew, that was complete BS. + the fact that again, it sends a message to the other guys on the LOS that he doesn’t care who is lined up on the other side. Or maybe when he punched Rothleisberger? The Squealers were taking cheap shots at us the entire game and the refs did nothing. Good for Seymour for standing up for his guys. THAT, is what you call leadership.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:31 am
What you all have to understand is that when you develop a reputation as a “bully” and a penalty machine, refs are not going to give you the benefit of the doubt (not that they have ever given us the benefit of the doubt, in the first place!). With discipline will come success – and victories – and playoffs!
February 12th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Richard Seymour is not worth the $15M just as Stanford Rout is not worth $11. Nnamdi wasn’t worth more than $3M per year, but for some reason mythically morphed, propagated mainly from the blogoshere, into the role of “shutdown corner”, which as we see, yielded the Eagles only 3 INT’s this season on his part.
If one examines it, there is an inverse proportion between payment and performance of the players: the more a player makes the worse the player’s performance. Examples are too numerous to state here.
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies. That seems to be from where most of the gems derive. The Raiders only need to bolster their scouting and talent acquisition depts, at a relatively low cost to gain tremendous talent on the cheap.
In any case, I believe Seymour will go completely flat, due to injuries and attitude. Thank God we cut Rout. Hopefully the same will be true of others.
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So you think Nnamdi is worth $3 million despite the fact that he gives up far fewer reception, yards an TDs than every other corner in the league, and the best strategy for success is to build your team like it’s a first-year expansion franchise.
Interesting take.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:38 am
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies.
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So, what Hardline is saying is maybe I can walk on at the NY Jets camp this year and take over for Dirty Sanchez? Sweet.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:39 am
I have always believed that if we had kept Nnamdi, that in and of itself could have been the difference in making the playoffs. He has a chance to be successful in Philly, but I believe he could’ve had a better chance here!
February 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Seymour is a joke. He never wanted to play for the Raiders and his effort and stats prove he still doesn’t. He came from NE and has 3 rings. Then he gets traded to the most dsyfunctional and underachieving franchise in the NFL. Didnt want to bring his family here due to the violence and poor schools. He refused to show up! Anyone remember this stuff? His former team mates were spilling the news about it. Bringing in Seymour has been a waste. Al got hosed on the deal and it set us back 3-4 years.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
The Jets would just love to get heir hands on Bush …
February 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
This is the same Hardline who claims he had to change names in here because of “harsh criticism” dished out from his other persona.
Harsh criticism from A.D.D. = racism
Hardline has no credibility.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Joker — What lack of effort and stats on Seymour specifically? You mean the stats that show Seymour was one of the League’s top players at his position last season? You know the guys who get 15+ sacks aren’t the only players on the field, right?
February 12th, 2012 at 11:48 am
joker94583 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Seymour is a joke. He never wanted to play for the Raiders and his effort and stats prove he still doesn’t. He came from NE and has 3 rings. Then he gets traded to the most dsyfunctional and underachieving franchise in the NFL. Didnt want to bring his family here due to the violence and poor schools. He refused to show up! Anyone remember this stuff?
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HE REFUSED TO SHOW UP????? That was the MR take. Dumbest thing posted on this site and this site has some of the stupidest things posted in cyber space. Dude, Whitney Houston would tell YOU to put down the rock pipe.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies. That seems to be from where most of the gems derive. The Raiders only need to bolster their scouting and talent acquisition depts, at a relatively low cost to gain tremendous talent on the cheap.
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2011 Defensive All Pro team (years in league):
1ST ROUND PICKS
Jason Pierre-Paul, NYG
Haloti Ngata, Bal
DeMarcus Ware, Dal
Terrell Suggs, Bal
Patrick Willis, SF
Troy Polamalu, Pitt
Darelle Revis, NYJ
Charles Woodson, GB
Derrick Johnson, KC
Justin Smith, SF
2ND-4TH ROUND PICKS
Jared Allen, Min
Navorro Bowman, SF
Eric Weddle, SD
Virtually all are first round picks. And virtually all are veteran, high priced players who’ve been in the league for any average of probably 7 or 8 years. So the building a defense out of undrafted rookies is not quite on the mark. I agree that you need some of those guys to pan out. But those are the exception, not the rule.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
joker94583 #138,
Joker, I do remember that now – Seymour gone MIA right after the trade. Many thought he wouldn’t show at all. I am sure his wife explained the logic between taking a $30M contract and no showing.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Seymour still isn’t as stupid as Seymour Bush, though.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Chris in NY, #143
I understand your point Chris. I find it ironic we drafted Woodson then allowed him to fly the coup.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:54 am
I BET KOOLKELLS WIFE WISHES SHE HAD A REAL MAN TO WATCH LIFETIME WITH..
February 12th, 2012 at 11:55 am
the jets want bush like we wanted their big bicep slow azz running back.. what was his name?
February 12th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
joker94583 #138,
Joker, I do remember that now – Seymour gone MIA right after the trade.
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He didn’t go MIA after the trade. He moved his family. man, some of you need to go to rehab. As for MR, errrr, Albert, who lives in the city of chicago but doesn’t know anything about it unless he can quickly google it.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Chris in NY, #143
I understand your point Chris. I find it ironic we drafted Woodson then allowed him to fly the coup.
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In hindsight, yes. But at the time his production was declining, his effort lacking and he was going to be due a ridiculous amount of money if we franchised him again. I can’t blame Al for that one. Woodson himself has said that he was immature, partied too much and didn’t give as much as he should have in Oakland.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies.
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Luis Castillo makes as much as Rich Seymour. Matt Cassell makes as much as Carson Palmer. I’ll keep our guys thank you.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:57 am
surely seymour and t kelly gone if they had the audacity to cut stanford routt ..
February 12th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
dorian gray Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:55 am
the jets want bush like we wanted their big bicep slow azz running back.. what was his name?
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LaMont Jordan. That one surprised me. He looked GREAT as Curtis Martin’s backup. Looked like the real deal. A lot of teams were interested. Did have a 1,000 yard season with a ton of catches for us, but never looked remotely like the same guy who was a force for about 10 carries a game with the Jets.
Not sure if it was that he couldn’t handle the full workload, or the payday made him soft. That was not one of those Javon Walker signings. It was one of those that looked like a slam dunk but just didn’t work out.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
guys only grow up when they go play in new england and green bay. when their in oakland and cincinatti they just want to bang asian sluts and smoke weed. we gotta have a serious culture in raiders organization .
February 12th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
is anybody gonna be afraid of our new vegetarian leader ? coach allen ? richy seymour would laugh in his face because he only respects bill parcells. raiders better off gettin rid of all the guys thats used to losing and cancers like seymour who promote lack of discipline.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
i mean seymour only respects bill belicheck .
February 12th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Don’t like some of these early moves by RM and DA.
Don’t agree with cutting Routt. Sure, he’s been a penalty machine and his contract was out of whack – but he was still the best Corner the Raids had.
Was he asked to re-do his contract and refused ? This wasn’t purely about production – Stan had some big picks, most notably against KC and Houston, and generally did a good job limiting completions.
An already shaky area just got weaker. Who’s playing corner now ? Huff ? CJ ? DVD ? Checkwa ?
Not enthralled with the move back to Knapp, the wco and zbs, either.
Worst of all, the slug at MLB hasn’t been kicked to the curb yet. That can’t happen soon enough.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
i wonder whos faster ? rolando mclain or chase blackburn .. rolando or rob ninkovich,.. roloando or ray lewis ? .. mclain is suely faster than all those guys. slowlando ? ok.. maybe he doesnt move side to side fast or maybe hes just lazy . but slow?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
140.HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:42 am
This is the same Hardline who claims he had to change names in here because of “harsh criticism” dished out from his other persona.
Harsh criticism from A.D.D. = racism
Hardline has no credibility.
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Hayes,
I never claimed I had to change my SN here “because of ‘harsh criticism’ dished out from his other persona.”
I was straight up kicked out by Corky for demonstrating extreme disrespect and irreverence to Al Davis, players and staff. Thus, I was allowed to come back with a simple name change from that of AL D. Davis to Hardline.
Most of what I said under, as you state, my “other persona” was correct, albeit punctuated with puffing, hyperbole, bluster and ironic humor. My signature line was, “Thank God AL is dead” which offended many. However, it is true that Al’s death was the cataylist for the club’s transformation toward dynasty.
I won’t defend the specifics of my posts here since that defense is beyond the scope of this blog today.
To your claim that:
“Harsh criticism from A.D.D. = racism
Hardline has no credibility.”
I am sure you have received your moral authority from God to make judgments on other posters here; the ultimate crown of your moral authority.
So be it. I am sure your reports to Corky are most definitive. And by the way, I coined a song several years ago which was prophetic regarding the state of the Raiders, as caused by you-know-who = Al Davis. I will post it here, soon.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Seymour Bush, #149
Seymour, Richard did move his family, however he did go incommunicado, which caused many to wonder if he was going to show up.
Seymoure himself claimed he was shocked and dismayed regarding the trade, and for several days considered opting out of it.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:51 am
joker94583 #138,
Joker, I do remember that now – Seymour gone MIA right after the trade.
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He didn’t go MIA after the trade. He moved his family. man, some of you need to go to rehab. As for MR, errrr, Albert, who lives in the city of chicago but doesn’t know anything about it unless he can quickly google it.
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Actually he did go into limbo.
At first he made it very clear he was very upset about the trade. Blustered about not playing, or sitting out year, until it was made clear his F.A. (I believe it was that) which was in a year wouldn’t happen unless he was active for that period. More than a few fans took offense, more than a few negative comments directed at Seymour, for not wanting to come to Oakland, were thrown out.
Obviously his agent convinced him of his error, and once he showed up all was forgiven.
But he certainly didn’t come willingly.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
R8rArt, was you say is absolutely correct.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Raiderman99
They aren’t going to cut routt w/o a plan to sign a FA or 2. Routt just wasn’t worth the money, plain and simple. As fans we don’t know what happens behind the scenes…did they try to redo routt’s contract? Who knows. We don’t know if they are going back to a ZBS or what at this point…no sense getting p*ssed about things until we see what the new regime will do. Everyone was sick of Mr. Davis’ moves, etc. Now we need to deal with the changes in the organization that should have happened a decade or more ago.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Actually, Seymour would’ve had to retire to opt out of it.
And, Hardline — Criticize all you want. But, you know the kind of filth you were also throwing out not very long ago. “with bluster and ironic humor,” like that makes it OK.
And, I have no report for Cork…my report is to you: if you spread racist BS in here, you lose all credibility when trying to lay-out your other points.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
what **** you say
February 12th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
dorian gray Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
i mean seymour only respects bill belicheck .
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Players, fans, media will find out quickly how much control over the team Allen has.
Hopefully he noticed how the buddy buddy system Hue instilled backfired.
Record amount of penalties, and not one player hit the pine? Not one? Not for a series? Or a play? Hue blew it, and Allen has to take control of this.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Come on. Yes he was upset at being traded. Everyone gets upset at being traded especially from a perennial lst place team. But show me one link anywhere that said Seymour was awol and wasn’t going to show, other than one or two imbeciles here on this blog.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Actually, Seymour would’ve had to retire to opt out of it.
And, Hardline — Criticize all you want. But, you know the kind of filth you were also throwing out not very long ago. “with bluster and ironic humor,” like that makes it OK.
And, I have no report for Cork…my report is to you: if you spread racist BS in here, you lose all credibility when trying to lay-out your other points.
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Wasn’t aware you were in charge here, Hayes.
If not, didn’t you mean to say “In my opinion”?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Routt was being paid like he was the 3rd best CB in the league….it would be irresponsible to continue doing so.
We can get someone as good or better for less than what Routt was going to make.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
he never said he was going to sit out a year. You guys are full of sh**. Sorry. Please retract that horsesh**.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Rocky — Don’t fool yourself into thinking the new regime isn’t going to make their own share of mistakes. Big difference is, they probably won’t throw the same kind of money at them…it’s not personally theirs to spend, like it was with Al.
Al knew his time was limitied…he threw everything into the pot, to see if he could brew up some magic one last time. Too bad it didn’t work like it could’ve last year!
February 12th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
The Raiders had to file a letter letting Seymour know he needed to show up…or else.
Dumb trade.
Picture the 4-12 Rams trading a 1st rounder for Troy Polamalu.
Would just be pointless. We were too terrible to get anything worthwhile out of Seymour even if he played well.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
What happened with Seymour is his kids and family were up in the Boston area. Instead of bringing them here, he moved them to South Carolina where he is from and then reported here, without missing a beat. He prioritized his family. Everything else is complete horsesh**.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Seymour? Are you serious?
Heres from the Examiner:
Richard Seymour has yet to report to the Oakland Raiders. The Internet is abuzz with reports that Seymour is “angry” and is considering not showing up at all.
He doesn’t want to play for the Raiders, and can’t believe the Patriots would stoop so low as to send him there.
Put yourself in Richard Seymour’s position.
Saturday you were a defensive end on a team that was poised to make a Super Bowl run. You’re becoming a free agent next season, and nothing increases a player’s value like playing well on a playoff team.
The Patriots can’t even franchise you, because they’ll probably have to use the tag on Vince Wilfork.
Even better, next season will likely be uncapped, which means you can REALLY cash in.
Sure, not in New England. Those greedy jerks won’t fork over the dough to keep you there anyway, and home town discounts are for lesser players like Ty Warren and Tedy Bruschi.
That’s right, you’re Richard Seymour and you’re guaranteed to cash in. You just need one more season with the New England Patriots.
Then comes Sunday, and you’ve just been told you were traded to the Oakland Raiders. The Oakland Raiders. Al Davis’ Oakland Raiders.
All of a sudden your chance to be a contributor on a playoff team is basically eliminated. You’ve gone from a hall of fame head coach to a head coach who broke an assistant coach’s face on a chair a few weeks ago. You’ve gone from Bob Kraft to Al Davis.
Even worse, if you don’t want to sign a long term deal with the Raiders they can franchise you after the 2009 season.
So you’re angry. You might not show up. Maybe you’ll just sit home this season and pout about the money the Patriots just stole from you?
Understandable, right?
Ummmmm. No.
Richard Seymour is getting paid over $3 million this season to play football.
No player worth anything wants to play in Oakland. We get it. The team stinks, the area is awful, and the fans are crazy.
But you’re getting paid over $3 million (I can’t stress this enough).
Suck it up, get on a plane, and get your butt to Oakland.
Rodney Harrison spoke to Seymour, then spoke to Pro Football Talk’s Tom Curran. He relayed Seymour’s thoughts on the trade.
“He’s not thrilled,” said Harrison, now an analyst for NBC’s Football Night in America. “Who would be thrilled to go to the Oakland Raiders? Maybe somebody who’s happy to just get a chance but not a guy like Richard Seymour, a five-time Pro Bowler. For a veteran player to go to Oakland at this juncture it’s just difficult.
“Put yourself in his position,” Harrison added. “He’s going from a first-class organization to one of the worst in the NFL. You have the head coach fighting the assistant coaches, the owner involved in the day-to-day operations, guys who don’t believe in the quarterback. . . . Tom Brady to JaMarcus Russell? Come on. Is that something to look forward to? Why would he be excited?”
Yup.
Of course, he could be excited that in a time of double-digit unemployment rates he’s making OVER $3 MILLION to play football.
Or is that asking too much?
Reality check time, Seymour. If you refuse to show up in Oakland, here’s how it will go down:
You’ll eventually receive a letter from the New England Patriots serving notice that you have five days to report to Oakland.
Should you choose to ignore the letter, the Patriots can put you on the reserve/left squad list.
If the Patriots put you on the reserve/left squad list, you’re done for the season. You can’t play. You won’t get a paycheck. You can’t be taken off the list until next year. It’ll be like the 2009 season never happened for you. Next year, you’d still be entering the final year of your contract. You’d miss out on becoming a free agent in what may be the only uncapped NFL season ever.
Sure, by showing up you risk getting franchised by the Raiders after the season. But if any team is going to give you a ridiculous contract so large that it boggles even Daniel Snyder’s mind, it’s the Oakland Raiders. So maybe you should take your chances?
Or maybe you should have looked into that whole hometown discount thing?
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February 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
What happened with Seymour is his kids and family were up in the Boston area. Instead of bringing them here, he moved them to South Carolina where he is from and then reported here, without missing a beat. He prioritized his family. Everything else is complete horsesh**.
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And had 2 sacks in Week 1 as a Raider.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
HayesDaze37, #164
This song is dedicated to you Hayes. Wear your crown well, my friend. BTW, you will notice that I never shirked my responsibility in reporting to the other posters, I was AL D. Davis, and was kicked off this blog for disrespect and irreverence to AL Davis, players and staff.
”Ode to Alzheimers AL”, composed in 2009,(please sing this to the melody of the Beverly Hillbillies’ theme song):
Come ‘n listen to my story ’bout Alzheimers AL
A shadow of himself, at the moon he would howl,
And then one day, dreamin of days gone by
Purple Drank appeared causing AL to sigh,
JaDumbarse, that is, black gold, BamaBoy…
Well, the first thing you know, AL’s 2 and 14
Nother seasons gone by, AL still has a dream,
Told ole Lance Californy is a place you ought’nt be
So Lance loaded up the truck and moved to Tennessee
Hollywood..vertical attack, man-on-man, 1969…..
So AL’s still thinkin its 1969,
With a vertical attack everything’ll be fine
And Big AL know alls he gotta do, grab a Plunkett incarnate name of Campbell boo…
After 6 long quarters Campbells a slug,
ALs frothin at the mouth while Cable pulls the plug,
Overhead projectors burnin a hole, better turn AL out fore he has em all on the dole.
Well, now it’s time to say goodbye to AL and all his kin,
AL would like to thank you folks for kindly droppin’ in
Insanity and alzheimers, superbowls and gin.
You’re all invited back again to this locality
To have a heapin’ helpin’ of AL’s hospitality
Dementia, that is, set a spell, take your shoes off
Y’all come back now, hear?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Hey Art — Not in charge, dude. But, I’ll call it the way I see it. If you have no knowledge of the type of statements A.D.D. and another troll were using in their “debates,” a week ago, then maybe you should educate yourself first.
When race is used to make a performance-based opinion, especially to stir the pot in this forum, I think we should all be against it. Changing handles doesn’t change the way the person thinks.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
“He’s not thrilled,” said Harrison, now an analyst for NBC’s Football Night in America. “Who would be thrilled to go to the Oakland Raiders? Maybe somebody who’s happy to just get a chance but not a guy like Richard Seymour, a five-time Pro Bowler. For a veteran player to go to Oakland at this juncture it’s just difficult.”
I’ll take Harrison’s words over poster Seymour’s.
Yes, he played well. Yes he didnt want to be here. Both can be true.
And the trade was pointless.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
R8rArt Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Seymour? Are you serious?
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Don’t be stupid. Rodney Harrison and some of Seymour’s “friends”, said he wasn’t going to show. Where does Richard Seymour say he isn’t going to show? All the rest is hearsay and innuendo, in other words bullsh**.
And then he came here and was the lst to camp his second season. Last year during the lock out he hosted the entire team to offseason workouts. THE ENTIRE TEAM. Doesn’t sound like a disgruntled employee to me.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Hey Art — Not in charge, dude. But, I’ll call it the way I see it. If you have no knowledge of the type of statements A.D.D. and another troll were using in their “debates,” a week ago, then maybe you should educate yourself first.
When race is used to make a performance-based opinion, especially to stir the pot in this forum, I think we should all be against it. Changing handles doesn’t change the way the person thinks.
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You missed my point, completely.
What you said is because of his comments, he has no credibility here.
That’s an opinion.
Your opinion.
Which is why I stated it’s not a fact what you said, as you indicated, it’s an opinion. Yours.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I’ll take Harrison’s words over poster Seymour’s.
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What are you talking about.
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Come on. Yes he was upset at being traded. Everyone gets upset at being traded especially from a perennial lst place team. But show me one link anywhere that said Seymour was awol and wasn’t going to show, other than one or two imbeciles here on this blog.
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Harrison said word for word the exact same thing I did. One day you will get something right MR, errrr, Alex.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Seymour even said how shocked he was…
But he showed up to play. And, Seymour’s enthusiasm and dedication was noticed from the first day of camp. We gotta remember how dysfunctional this place was…and what a solidifying presence he became for us.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
R8rArt Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Seymour? Are you serious?
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Don’t be stupid. Rodney Harrison and some of Seymour’s “friends”, said he wasn’t going to show. Where does Richard Seymour say he isn’t going to show? All the rest is hearsay and innuendo, in other words bullsh**.
And then he came here and was the lst to camp his second season. Last year during the lock out he hosted the entire team to offseason workouts. THE ENTIRE TEAM. Doesn’t sound like a disgruntled employee to me.
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Well, I can see who throws a little hissy fit when he doesn’t get his way.
Speaking of stupid?
Guess you missed where Seymour APOLOGIZED TO EVERYONE AFTERWARDS, saying he had to get his head straight, and after talking to different people close to him, he’s now ready to be a Raider.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
If Seymour doesn’t report, Raiders will want their pick back
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on September 9, 2009, 12:01 PM EST
Wisely, the New England Patriots are taking the “nothing to see here” approach regarding defensive lineman Richard Seymour. In their view, Seymour is now a Raider and the Raiders’ first-round pick in 2011 has been tucked away into the cavernous vault beneath Gillette Stadium.
But despite reports suggesting that Seymour is now the Raiders’ problem, a league source tells us that the Raiders will want to retrieve their draft pick, if Seymour doesn’t show.
The trade hinges on Seymour reporting for work and passing a physical. If he doesn’t show up and then pass a physical, he doesn’t become the property of the Raiders.
The Patriots likely would take a different view of the situation, claiming that once the trade is accomplished getting Seymour to show up becomes the Raiders’ problem.
Still, we think the Raiders are right on this one. How can they be expected to pay for something that they never get?
Meanwhile, we’re told that the Raiders still don’t know whether or not Seymour will show up, more than three days after the trade was announced.
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So, Seymour, was everyone on the planet confused?
Or was it you?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
It took him like 6 days to get here.
“…and then reported here, without missing a beat.”
So most guys who get traded take 6 days to move their family elsewhere before reporting?
Again, like most of us are saying…
He didn’t want to come here. Once here, he played well.
Trade was pointless.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
I have no problem if we traded Seymour. We haven’t won anything since we traded for him, so if we can get some picks, do it.
I agree with Alex7, another bad trade where we are stuck with a contract that limits this team.
Seymour, Kelly,anyone else on the Defensive side making fat money, good riddance.
New ERA, new rules, get used to it.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Hayes…good point. At least now when a mistake is made, it won’t cost as much cash or hopefully not a first round pick.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Seymour finally joins Raiders
By Josh Dubow
Associated Press
Hawaii news photo – The Honolulu Advertiser
Richard Seymour
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ALAMEDA, Calif. — Richard Seymour ended his five-day sit out and joined the Oakland Raiders yesterday, saying he was initially “blindsided” by the trade from the New England Patriots.
“Since I got the call that I was being traded, my life’s really been a whirlwind,” Seymour said at a news conference at the Raiders facilities. “I’ve really been blindsided by the events that took place. I didn’t expect it. I didn’t understand what was going on. So it’s like when something happens, when you’re blindsided, you have to step back and realize what situation you’re in.”
Seymour was acquired last Sunday for a 2011 first-round pick but did not immediately report to the Raiders, raising speculation he did not want to join Oakland.
In his first public comments since the deal, Seymour told the Boston Herald yesterday that he was taken aback when coach Bill Belichick told him of the trade, which is sending him from one of the NFL’s model franchises to the one with the worst record over the last six years.
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Of course Seymour tried to make amends once he finally showed up, and of course the Raiders denied sending a “report in 5 days, or quit” letter.
That’s what players and teams do.
Deny everything, even words they already said.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Again you can post bloggers and journalists speculating all day every day. Where does Seymour say he won’t report, or he is going to retire? Do I have to explain rumour and innuendo to you?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Guess Seymour is off scanning Google for something to support his comments.
good luck.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Art — Isn’t every opinion on this BLOG, the opinion of the person writing it? I don’t see the need for everybody to finish their posts with IMO.
IMO, race-baitors lack credibility from the start…but, I understand how some people might feel differently than I. More power to ya, it’s a “free” Country.
And…I’d prefer the blog monitors itself, to the extent possible. Pardon me for being up-front about my opinions.
(IMO)
IMO.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Well, another year with Seymore? Aw hes good.
He was like the McFadden of the Defense last year, great when healthy–invisible when hurt.
The D-line looked down right TUFF for 11 games. I remember it well we were 6 and 4, and the Dline was eating Cutler’s back-up for dinner (hieneken?).
After that the entire D goes awol/injuries and age caught up with it. The lb and secondary, were garbage throughout but our Dline kept us in some of the games.
Maybe we bench Seymore for the first 8 games, let the younger guys get their sea-legs and then insert seymore in the line and make a run the second half of the season…
February 12th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Yep, lol. In other words, you didn’t find anything?
Ya, we know, Seymour, we know.
I take it you’re one of those “if it walks like a duck, fly’s like a duck, quacks like a duck, it’s a horse” kind of posters?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
I am sure Seymour WAS blindsided. One day shot. Took a day to figure it out. Went to South Carolina to set up family. Took two days there. Came out to Oakland. Never claims he isn’t reporting. Never claims he is not coming to Oakland. Never claims he is retiring. That’s all you saying that. Silly really.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Hayes-seems you were getting a little uppity.
IMO
February 12th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Ya, Seymour, that’s it.
His friends who commented about it were lying.
Guys he spoke to who said he was considering sitting out where lying.
Ya, silly, really.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
I deal in facts. You deal in rumours and innuendo R8erart. Do you gossip about others Art?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Do you read the National Enquirer Art?
February 12th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Fast forward to today.
Sadly it would have been a lot better for us if Seymour missed his flight.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Tell us about Brad and Angelina Art.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Now you’re being juvenile, Seymour. You don’t really want to go there, do you?
Noticed the other night you did the same thing.
Challenged someone, who not only put you in your place, but you were left commenting about typo’s, and nothing else.
Just back off, and accept that Seymour not only didn’t want to come here, but his play showed it as well.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I comment that Seymour’s closest friend on the team made comments about Seymour not wanting to come, and SeymourBush replies with comments about Brad and Angelina?
See above comment about “stupid”.
February 12th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Pretty common knowledge: Seymour was shocked. He told friends he didn’t want to move across the Country. He stayed back East and placed his family where he wanted them. He was told by Al to take the time he needed…right up until the Raiders needed to know what he intended to do, so they gave him his deadline.
It was a wise financial decision for Seymour to not retire/sit-out. And…he’s outplayed most 1st-round rookies on the D-line League-wide for the past few years. So…the deal is far from a failure. Especially, if the Raiders finally get to the Playoffs with him being an active participant.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Art — I admit I was. But, it was justified, especially if you knew the types of posts he was throwing up. I said my piece…would be over it, except you and I keep it going.
Back to football…
February 12th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I don’t blame Seymour for being shocked. I would be.
And considering where he was coming from, and where he was going, normal to be shocked.
No doubt hurt, and disgusted that he was being ejected from a championship team.
Obviously Pats saw Seymour’s play was declining, and made a good deal.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Hayes
it was his age, and our 4-12 status that causes the trade to not make sense.
We weren’t a “one-impact-player-away” team at that time, and needed young 1st round picks a LOT more than 32-year old expensive veterans past their prime.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I agree Hayes. Just making a point, and guess I butted in where wasn’t necessary.
Go Raiders.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
R8rArt Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I comment that Seymour’s closest friend on the team made comments about Seymour not wanting to come, and SeymourBush replies with comments about Brad and Angelina?
See above comment about “stupid”.
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Rodney Harrison was not on the New England Patriots in 2009. He had retired and was a trying to make his name as a “journalist” at the time. So again, this was not team mates, just Rodney Harrison and unnamed “friends” speculating. Sounds like the National Enquirer to me Art.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Alex-agree. Had a lot of holes, and one player wasn’t going to make a big difference.
Being that player on a rebuilding team, coming from the SB?
I would have been pizzed, big time.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
R8rArt Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
I comment that Seymour’s closest friend on the team made comments about Seymour not wanting to come, and SeymourBush replies with comments about Brad and Angelina?
See above comment about “stupid”.
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Rodney Harrison was not on the New England Patriots in 2009. He had retired and was a trying to make his name as a “journalist” at the time. So again, this was not team mates, just Rodney Harrison and unnamed “friends” speculating. Sounds like the National Enquirer to me Art.
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Don’t read it.
However, I remember that time very well. And the fact Seymour himself admitted he needed time to get his head around it says everything wasn’t a rumor.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
Of course Richard Seymour was shocked, dismayed, livid, and enraged regarding his trade. The trade was also indicative that Seymour had run his course professionally with the Patriots. Who would feel good about that? I would have reacted the same as Seymour. However, in the end, $30M heals all wounds. Seymour eventually did make his appearance and all was fine after that.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 11th, 2012 at 8:17 am
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
What the rest of the League knows is this: Even old, and prone to making some costly personnel mistakes…the great Al Davis could still evaluate talent like few before, during, or after could.
Stan Routt has big-time talent, and he’s going to be a Pro Bowl CB for another team. And, no…that doesn’t mean I wanted to keep him at his $alary, it means he’s not done growing as a DB. Good luck to him.
CJ37 can probably be re-signed for half of last year’s salary. He’d be a relative bargain as insurance… doing what Lito was supposed to do, but better. We’re down one more with Routt, still needing to plug the whole on the other side.
If he still has the legs, give CJ37 the same moneys, meted-out over a longer period. Find some younger DB’s, but keep the good Vet. We NEVER have enough DB’s.
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I love it that some of the old acolytes are still trying to rewrite history even though it’s apparent that Al nearly destroyed this team. With each passing week we’re seeing the new regime dismantle Davis’ misguided “system” and over time, bit by bit, the harsh truth of the past decade or two will be revealed, and it won’t be pretty.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
I think the comments were how will Seymour deal with a rookie HC, close to his age.
Bigger question is how will Seymour deal with being disciplined? If he gets reamed for one of his personal fouls?
That will be interesting.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
From 4-12 to 8-8 is pretty good…for ANY age. That wasn’t done just by Cable and HueJax.
Richard Seymour has had a huge part in changing the intensity level, in games and in practice, for the Raiders. Glad he’s been here.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Agree Hardline.
I’m not saying Seymour was wrong in his actions, at all.
No doubt he wanted to stay on a championship team.
Who wouldn’t?
February 12th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Hayes-I recall Seymour’s first game, where I was excited as hell with how he played, and what he brought.
And then it never seemed to reach that level again. Lots of in the middle play. Lots of where was he play. Lots of penalties.
I think he didn’t step up game after game one.
IMO.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
If Seymour is injected into the line as a not-every-down role player, and will accept discipline regarding his spate of personal 15 yd fouls, he still has a place.
In days of yore Raiders committed an atrocious amount of penalties. The difference was, then, they won, now, they don’t.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
R8rArt, #215,
Very true R8r.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
And the point, Ohio?? If you think there wouldn’t have been big changes this off-season with Al still in charge, you’re not thinking at all. After the implosion Hue took us through, Al would’ve been all over the roster, and the coach(es).
We all know Al made mistakes…and some will be corrected. Others aren’t the “mistakes” some people would have us all believe, though. Being the fan that I am, I can only hope ALL personnel moves made by the Team’s GM are great ones. Unfortunately, it doesn’t always work that way. And that’s reality, all over the league.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
Jon Gruden and Willie Shaw were considered two of the brightest minds we’ve had around here the last 20 years.
Both were hard-nosed and believed in discipline.
We committed boatloads of penalties those years.
What concrete reasons do fans have for assuming our penalties will decline next season?
I figure it will take 2 more seasons to replace enough of Davis’ dumb athletes with smarter starters to truly see a difference.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
If Al had not passed, he should have been committed to a sanatorium. His partners should have filed for an injunction to have him removed from managing partner due to negligence and oppression.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
Alex
Not to argue but what concrete reasons make your statement any truer than the ones who (including me) think penalties can go down and not be as much of a factor? Anything is possible. Start beching some people that make stupid untimely penalties and it may set a good example.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
We could still trade Seymour. We would probably have to pay half of the 15 mil. contract but at least would get a draft pick.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Don’t read it.
However, I remember that time very well. And the fact Seymour himself admitted he needed time to get his head around it says everything wasn’t a rumor.
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If a person gets a job transfer or trade in sports, families become divided. Families have to decide where they are going to live, they have to go see what areas are like that they are interested in living in and what the schools are like, it’s a “whirlwind”. That doesn’t mean they are not going to go with the “transfer”. You were dealing in speculation, I am dealing in facts. There’s a difference.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Alex — What makes the athletes Al drafted “dumber” than other teams’ athletes? Seems to me we’re a pretty good representation of what NFL teams are made of…a mix of bright, not-so-bright, and in-betweeners.
The Raiders coaching staff has been a failure. The new coaching staff appears to be a strong new group.
My biggest question mark is Knapp…but I think the best thing to happen to Knapp will be Al Saunders. The way the O is currently built, we should be able to average 24+points per game. And that’s not easy to do. We’ll see if they’ve got it.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Giordano, I believe in the final SD game or maybe the game before, committed a pass interference call, and on the next play intercepted a pass on the goal line.
Reminded me days of yore.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
HueJax must’ve said a few hundred times that the penalty problem would get fixed, and it never did. D.A. says it once and I believe him.
I believe the penalty problem will fix itself…with the proper discipline instilled from the coaches, right from the start. No reason to blame referees or curses…blame ourselves, and get over it.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
So far Routt out; Seymore in.
I gotta believe Wimbley, with his coverage skills has GOT to restructure and swith to DE or some other 3-4 variation. No way he is the second highest payed player with only 3 sacks outside of SD.
Restructure or go the Routt!
February 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
HueJax must’ve said a few hundred times that the penalty problem would get fixed, and it never did. D.A. says it once and I believe him.
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Jackson said he tried “everything” to fix the penalty problem. Did he bench guys? No. Routt had a tendency to grab and hold downfield. And Routt did not make a lot of picks. Did he tape Routt’s hands? No. So Jackson didn’t do everything to fix the problem, and that only took three seconds to figure out.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
seymour plays like last year he’ll be lucky to get 4 million a year contract the following year
February 12th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
mikeschoice Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
seymour plays like last year he’ll be lucky to get 4 million a year contract the following year
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Richard Seymour was a PFF Half Season All Pro last season. He got a knee injury half way through the season and slowed down. But he basically won the KC game for us the 2nd to last game, and played very well in the finale.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
WE don’t — never did — need to spend any extra attention on preventing penalties. Players have been dealing with penalties since Pee Wee ball. Just stop having the “stupid” ones so often.
How many dumb penalties do we have after plays are over? Out-of-bounds? Early starts, especially on O?? Those aren’t just from being aggressive, they’re because of not thinking right. There MUST be zero tolerance for those stupid things…from Seymour to Barnes.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
yeh richard seymour mmissed half the practices flying back and forth to south carolina-those scholarships ended-ITS A NEW DAY AND A NEW WAY!!!! HOORAY!!!!
What kind of discipline message and leadership is that???
Party over baby!
February 12th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
232
You hit it right on the head there Lester. FOCUS
February 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Whats your take on Wimbley
Keeper?
Restructure?
Cut?
February 12th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
every week jerry mac reporting “no seymour” not on injury report yet “i dont know where he is” MASTER OF THE HALL PASS
February 12th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Mike = Zero knowledge of where Seymour was. And…all veterans were given extra days off last year…more if they were nursing injuries.
As long as he isn’t mosh-pit dancing on his injury, ruining his “friend’s” hearing by 9MM handgun, or doing worse things on his days off, who cares where Seymour spends them? It’s his air fare, not yours.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
jesusraiderjim Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
232
You hit it right on the head there Lester. FOCUS
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Focus is certainly part of it. Smarts is something else. Dumb players do dumb things. We need smarter players around for sure. That has been a problem here for decades.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
so mcclain gets xtra days for grandpas funeral so he can play-just like big rich
February 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“The two highest paid players in terms of salary are Carson Palmer ($12.5 million) and outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million).”
by bye Kam
February 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
Different players, completely different circumstances.
Different dedication levels. Bad comparison. Obviously.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
I doubt reggies gone let rich show up to the practices when he wants and it was reported he got go home early or show up late alot.
Trust me those days are over. sends horrible message to a TEAM.
February 12th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
youre just still used to the disfunction
February 12th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Don’t know about Kam going anywhere. Among the schemes D.A. and his coaches likely to have in mind for this Defense, Kam fits some well. Wimbley is a talent…I hope we find room for him, and a revised salary.
February 12th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Kam was certainly a disappointment. I think you give him another season to see if he can regain his form. But still, a big disappointment. Pass rush was a big problem last season for us defensively. I would like to see Calais Campbell or even Andre Carter in Silver and Black.
February 12th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Mike’s troll — You should switch to a different name…you’ve already embarrassed yourself with that one.
“It was reported” that Seymour got to show up to practices when he wanted, and go home early or show up late a lot? Where were these reports?? He was given many days off by the coaching staff this year…all of them easily explained…he was one of the oldest players on the Team…and he was “nicked” most of the year, playing one of the most demanding positions in football.
His teammates certainly never complained about Seymour’s dedication. Show where anybody — in the press or on the Team — said Seymour skipped his responsibilities as a Team leader. You can’t do it, and you’re just spreading manure.
Good-day, Mike’s
February 12th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Chris In NY Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 11:49 am
All the outrageously high paid vets whose performance is questionable should be cut, and replaced by low round draft picks and unsigned walk-ons rookies. That seems to be from where most of the gems derive. The Raiders only need to bolster their scouting and talent acquisition depts, at a relatively low cost to gain tremendous talent on the cheap.
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2011 Defensive All Pro team (years in league):
1ST ROUND PICKS
Jason Pierre-Paul, NYG
Haloti Ngata, Bal
DeMarcus Ware, Dal
Terrell Suggs, Bal
Patrick Willis, SF
Troy Polamalu, Pitt
Darelle Revis, NYJ
Charles Woodson, GB
Derrick Johnson, KC
Justin Smith, SF
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All those players’ teams were in the playoffs (except Revis, Johnson, and Revis was in an AFC Championship prior to that)
February 12th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Mike’s troll — You should switch to a different name…you’ve already embarrassed yourself with that one.
“It was reported” that Seymour got to show up to practices when he wanted, and go home early or show up late a lot? Where were these reports?? He was given many days off by the coaching staff this year…all of them easily explained…he was one of the oldest players on the Team…and he was “nicked” most of the year, playing one of the most demanding positions in football.
His teammates certainly never complained about Seymour’s dedication. Show where anybody — in the press or on the Team — said Seymour skipped his responsibilities as a Team leader. You can’t do it, and you’re just spreading manure.
Good-day, Mike’s
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Seymour and Campbell organized the player only workouts down in Atlanta during the lock out and Seymour went to pick up in coming rookies following the draft
FAIL
February 12th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Raidertalk Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“The two highest paid players in terms of salary are Carson Palmer ($12.5 million) and outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million).”
by bye Kam
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hello Mario Williams
February 12th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
hello Mario Williams
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I wish.
February 12th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
All those players’ teams were in the playoffs (except Revis, Johnson, and Revis was in an AFC Championship prior to that)
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DeMarcus Ware was not in this last years playoff round. One thing about All Pro selection is they do focus on some of the best teams for obvious reasons.
February 12th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Great teams have great, impact players. We’ve had some players with great flashes, but nothing sustained. Explains those 8-8 seasons (or worse). Here’s to ReggieMcK’s personnel acumen…bring us some lasting gems, Reg.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
# Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:01 am
According to Corky,
“The Eagles fired Lynn after the 2011 season after the Eagles’ highly touted secondary, which included former Raiders standout Nnamdi Asomugha, failed to play at a high level for most of the season.”
The reason the Eagles D failed to live up to expectations is because they hired Nnamdi Asomugha. This guy is the biggest addle-pate to hit the NFL. 14 INT’s in 9 seasons ? Lester Hayes got 39 in 8 seasons, while Rod Woodson got 71 INT’s, 20 of those with the Raiders.
Nnamdi Asomugha is a trained monkey sitting on the shoulder of King Kong.
The fact the Eagles thought he was a play maker demonstrates their stupidity.
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Another big problem was the Eagles moved a good OLine coach in Castillo and hired him to be the DC and replace Sean McCermott.
Bad move by Reid.
Now is Castillo screws up again during the season…Bowles will take his place asap.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Now that Ocho Cinco is all but done in New England, there are pretty good chances he could come here and reunite with Palmer where he had his best results. What sayest thou?
February 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
We’ve had PLENTY of coaches truly try to fix the penalty problem.
Hard-a$$es like Gruden that wouldn’t put up with it without chewing you out or benching you…
Officials brought into camp early to work practices…
Yet for decade after decade, we continue to be among the worst.
It’s not the coaching. We’ve had good coaches here before on both sides of the ball.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Ahhh…the great Lester Hayes. Had the finest season and Playoffs any CB has EVER had, and won the Super Bowl doing it. What a treat to watch.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
It’s the coaching. Period.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
# raidertalk Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Whats your take on Wimbley
Keeper?
Restructure?
Cut?
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They need to try and restucture Wimbleys contract down and have play as the full time RDE and let him focus on rushing the passer and causing disruption in the backfield. That is his strength. Having him stand up and try and cover is a waste of his talents.
If he doesn’t restructure down and they cut him, I think Raiders will still be on the books to pay him a certain amount.
If they do that, who will be the starting RDE in 4-3 alignments?
Wimbley can even play in a 3-4 and rush the passer, but he can’t cover worth a damn, especially as a stand 4-3 SAM.
Super Mario would be great here, but lets not keep our hopes to high wit that, and then be let down, because that is what usually happens around here.
High hopes and expectations and then big let downs and disappointments.
Keep your expectations in check.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
the only constant over those decades that makes sense was Al bringing in the players.
Athletes first, football IQ and ability a distant second.
Was always that maverick undisciplined style that Al promoted and his players either already had or developed.
We drafted a CB who was benched his senior season for discipline issues. We drafted Pryor. We draft Jamarcus despite other teams knowing about his undisciplined issues.
It will likely be 2 or 3 years to see real results.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
It’s the coaching. Period.
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Yep. Smart coaching, discipline, and scheme.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:09 pm
If it’s the COACHING…
Norv Turner’s SD offense was one of the least penalized units last season.
How’d that work out in Oakland? Hmmm.
Colts were also rarely penalized. Staff fired.
Bucs low in penalties. Staff fired.
Not like we haven’t had better coaches than some of those other teams. And it’s not like they come in saying “penalties, who cares!”
February 12th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Teams take on the perceived attitudes of their Head Coaches. A tough, no-nonsense, DISCIPLINED team would be run by a tough, no-nonsense, disciplined HC.
The only way the Raiders get over being last in the League in penalties is by having that kind of coach. I think D.A. might be that kind of coach. I hope so, anyway.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
It’s also about drafting high character, smart, tough, disciplined, athletic, hard working FOOTBALL players first and not putting a priority on height, weight, speed guys with fast straight line 40 times!
McK and personnel people and Allen will be changing the drafting philosophy and strategy compared to what old man Al’s drafting philosophy.
I’m looking forward to that!
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Rob Ryan’s D last year, 2nd LEAST penalized.
Turner leaves Raiders, his team becomes more disciplined.
Gruden leaves Raiders, his Bucs don’t have penalty issues.
Seattle’s O-line one of the least-penalized groups last year.
It’s NOT the coaching. You guys do ZERO researach.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Come on Hayes
explain Norv’s penalty drop after leaving here, or Rob Ryan’s.
It’s the dumb undisciplined players.
Callahan knew it.
Harbaugh and Todd Haley were considered hard-nosed. Both had top-10 penalty teams last year. PLAYERS.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
Alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Rob Ryan’s D last year, 2nd LEAST penalized.
Turner leaves Raiders, his team becomes more disciplined.
Gruden leaves Raiders, his Bucs don’t have penalty issues.
Seattle’s O-line one of the least-penalized groups last year.
It’s NOT the coaching. You guys do ZERO researach.
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Maybe it’s the uniforms. Mark Davis needs to make them friendlier. How about trade the black for silver and get Disney to design the pirate logo.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Man — Where do you guys come up with this cr@p??
alex7 Says:
We drafted a CB who was benched his senior season for discipline issues. We drafted Pryor. We draft Jamarcus despite other teams knowing about his undisciplined issues.
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Ummm…Pryor grades-out as a late 1st to early 3rd round pick on most draft boards. The Raiders haven’t “reached” there.
JaMarcus had “undisciplined issues” other teams knew about?? I think I know what you mean by that…but, you’re wrong anyway. JaMarcus was widely regarded as one of the top players at his position available in the draft…and his discipline wasn’t a major issue for most analysts. Al overpaid…but beyond that, he simply whiffed on the pick.
Alex — Your troll is showing, spreading falsehoods as fact. For shame.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1061584-oakland-raiders-reggie-mckenzies-iron-reign-of-terror-begins
Reggie’s “Iron Reign of Terror”, LOL
Bleacher Report cracks me up
February 12th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
# Silverandblack666 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Seymour is staying and getting his money no matter what us semi-pros think the folks that matter like Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen have made the choice to keep him.
The reason is probably along the lines of what Florio at PFT is now reporting:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/richard-seymour-isnt-going-anywhere/
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Look for Huff, Kelly and Wimbley to be the ones either to restructure or let go.
I think Huff and Kelly maybe the ones to go.
If Seymour is staying than I think Kelly is expendable. Kelly plays like crap versus the run and plays too high and the Raiders have two young DT’s that need to be playing more on the inside with Houston and Bryant anyways.
Then McK and Allen can draft a big strong NT type to replace Kelly or sign a mid tier to low tier free agent to take over for Kelly in the DT rotation.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
hayes is idiot6- if seymours not getting 7.5 guaranteed he’s gone
February 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
15 million guaranteed (part time player)-great move on symour hayes?-you couldnt run a leamonade stand
hayes is a lose
February 12th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
Duh.
A Player’s guaranteed salary/bonus structure plays a part in whether we keep said Player or not??
What a brilliant discovery made by Mike’s troll.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
lol hayez
“Ummm…Pryor grades-out as a late 1st to early 3rd round pick on most draft boards.”
Whose draft boards? The 31 teams that DIDN’T choose him time and time again, despite being the most premium position?
And 1st through 3rd round? almost half the draft there. Way to be bold.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Between Kelly or Seymour….one of them I think is gone for sure gone regardless.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Does any NFL team need this many dang coaches?
Special asst’s, “Senior advisors”, etc. etc. etc.
There’s more coaches than players.
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It was rather obvious last year that we needed more coaches. We are the most undisciplined team in the league and broke the all time penalties record. I hope we add 6 more assistants.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
Old man Seymour was less of a part-time Player than many younger guys. Even hurt. Keep flailing, Mike’s troll.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Pryor graded out as a:
“knuckleheaded undisciplined kid who has no accuracy for the NFL game, and sucked against the top-half competition while at OSU. Backup TE at best.”
That’s probably McKenzie’s word for word Packers draft advice
February 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
so lack of assistant coaches is why Routt would get beat and grab his receiver?
I thought it was just lack of talent. For the last 20 years here.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Deal with it Hayes -you lose
The Oakland Raiders have a new leader in Reggie McKenzie, who reigns with an iron fist and indomitable will. McKenzie has brought a ruthlessness and ferocity with him to the Raiders franchise. These are qualities that have long been missing, or at the very least misguided.
If you haven’t already figured it out by now, I’m a huge fan.
If ever there was a perfect sign for success, McKenzie embodies the very logo on the side of the Raiders’ helmets.
His reign of terror began before he was even formally announced as the team’s general manager. On January 9, 2012, a day before his announcement, McKenzie had already made it known that Hue Jackson was at risk of losing his job. Then, only two days later, the deed was done.
I wrote a column on the move, saying that McKenzie had done what was necessary to assert his newfound authority as the unquestioned leader of the organization. I also said this: “My gut instinct is that firing Jackson is only the first of many surprises coming out of Oakland this offseason.”
I wasn’t wrong.
McKenzie released Stanford Routt yesterday, which is in line with what he said after Dennis Allen was announced as the team’s head coach: McKenzie had, by that time, gotten a good look at the Raiders roster and realized that there were many contracts that were “out of whack.”
Routt won’t be the last to be mercilessly cut loose by “Iron Fist” McKenzie.
Unfortunately, the last decade or so for the Raiders has been marked by terrible personnel decision after terrible personnel decision as Al Davis moved further and further from being able to make sound assessments. He was a great and proud man, and we all knew he’d never relinquish his own iron grip on the franchise he had built from nothing.
His legacy lives on in McKenzie. They may have different football philosophies, but McKenzie and Davis share something even more crucial: They both have the will to see their own unique vision become a reality.
Like any good pirate, McKenzie isn’t afraid to put his boot on someone’s throat. It’s going to be his way or the highway, and nobody will be able to hide from his watchful eye.
Things might not get better right away. 2012 has the potential to be a season filled with stormy seas for the Raiders, but who knows? Give the Raiders two or three years, however, and I guarantee you’ll start to see the rewards of having a man in charge who has a clear vision for the long-term success of his franchise.
Batten down the hatches, maties! It’s goin’ to be a rough ride.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
# alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
so lack of assistant coaches is why Routt would get beat and grab his receiver?
I thought it was just lack of talent. For the last 20 years here.
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Routt ranks up there as another draft mistake by old man Al. Routt and MM are the same..2nd Round REACHES by old man Al.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Scholorships-Over
Moss
Sapp
Seymour
and this list is long………………..
February 12th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
I lose at what, Mike’s troll?? You post some blogger’s “article” about a reign of terror, and that proves what for you? That ReggieMcK is doing things his way??
Duh again, genius. We all know that.
I LIKE what Reggie’s doing to the team, brainiac…why would posting somebody else’s rave review of ReggieMcK to prove my point?
Mike’s troll — You don’t even have an argument, but you want to argue. You’re too thick for me, and obviously dumber than any Player you ever allude to in here.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
Between Kelly or Seymour….one of them I think is gone for sure gone regardless.
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Too late to cut Seymour, the entire 15 million, not just half, is now guaranteed. Doubt Kelly is cut either, he was our sack leader last year and still has some good years left. Wimbley is unlikely to get cut also, he’s guaranteed too much of his money.
The real posabilities of getting cut due to salary are guys like Curry, Chris Johnson, Eugene, and maybe Henderson.
Dont get me wrong, I hope we keep Curry. I said before that Routt and Curry are the guys I can see as surprise cuts. Routt was cut after I said that. I didnt want to see Routt cut but the math and performance pointed to the posability. The other guys that other people are nameing like Wimbley or McClain dont make as much sense from what details are known about their contracts. If McClain is cut its because of what he did off the field.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
your the idiot picking a fight trying justify 15M for seymour who obviously led one of the worst D’s in our history
where’s your backup loser hayes?
February 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Alex7 — Aren’t you a self-professed teacher??
And you use terms like somebody has “undisciplined issues?”
Does that mean someone has issues with being undisciplined?
No wonder schools are failing our children, with teachers who form sentences like that. I know a lot of NFL Players who speak better than that.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
seymours been a part timer prima donna since he’s been here.
February 12th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
hayes go biatch somewhere else
February 12th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
I justified nothing about Seymour’s salary/reporting bonus. I just like him on the Team, and I think he’s been good for it since he arrived.
And…I need no backup with small-thinking, exaggerating, trolls throwing nonsense around. It’s damned easy knocking them around, actually. They do most the work for me.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
dorian gray Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
is anybody gonna be afraid of our new vegetarian leader ? coach allen ? richy seymour would laugh in his face because he only respects bill parcells. raiders better off gettin rid of all the guys thats used to losing and cancers like seymour who promote lack of discipline.
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Agreed.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Mike’s troll — I’ve been here since this blog started, and I’ll be here until it goes away permanently (or I do, ha!).
Every time you and your troll buddies throw out horsecr@p, I’ll be glad to point it out.
Special…just for you. I’m here, man.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Uh…Mike’s Choice, you might be disappointed to find out that the Raider’s (Iron-fist Reggie) have already guaranteed Seymour to be a Raider this year for $15 million.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Rob Ryan’s D last year, 2nd LEAST penalized.
Turner leaves Raiders, his team becomes more disciplined.
Gruden leaves Raiders, his Bucs don’t have penalty issues.
Seattle’s O-line one of the least-penalized groups last year.
It’s NOT the coaching. You guys do ZERO researach.
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For chrissakes, everybody knows it was Davis who let this culture fester. He undermined the coaches attempts to instill discipline. Now watch what happens this year. Gonna be a whole new focus on accountability. It’s about time.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
awesome Hayes.
You are completely correct. My grammatical mistake on a Raiders website is the exact reason that our schools are failing the kids.
It’s not parents with the maturity of posters like you. Nope. Not at all.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Agreed Ohio. Not sure why so many posters can’t comprehend the common denominator in that undisciplined equation.
That said, I still believe it will take more than one off-season to purge the roster of that attitude and replace enough players to see a difference.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Raider players will have to earn the “benefit-of-the-doubt” from referees with smarter play for a year or two before the penalties situation clears up.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Agreed Ohio. Not sure why so many posters can’t comprehend the common denominator in that undisciplined equation.
That said, I still believe it will take more than one off-season to purge the roster of that attitude and replace enough players to see a difference.
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Yep, and we’ll know this by how much roster turnover McKenzie feels is required. If we see a lot, we’ll know that McKenzie believes it will take a couple years or so. If not, then he thinks we can win with the basic core talent–with some minor tweaking.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
264.alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Rob Ryan’s D last year, 2nd LEAST penalized.
Turner leaves Raiders, his team becomes more disciplined.
Gruden leaves Raiders, his Bucs don’t have penalty issues.
Seattle’s O-line one of the least-penalized groups last year.
It’s NOT the coaching. You guys do ZERO researach.
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The most annoying penalties are the presnap infringements and the uneccessary roughness after the play had ended. Discipline is an issue but why? Could it be that as the losing went on for the Raiders over the years they just felt the pressure of trying to win so bad and pressed too much??? Makes a little sense to me. Past coaches trying to get this team to win caused them to press too much. Who really knows what the past coaches have told the players about this issue in the locker room and behind closed doors. Hopefully DA will have a different approach.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
We are in one of the worst divisions in the NFL.
We are NOT rebuilding, we are re-loading.
Reggie is smart, taking his time, doing it right.
He has alot to clean up, Al left this place with holes to fill and some good talent on Offense.
We should and can win this Divison as our HC and starting QB are the best since Gruden.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:20 pm
Y’all getting psyched for the Grammy awards!
February 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
hayes is in daze – go smoke some more crack-you make no sense
February 12th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Spending an extra 7.5 mill on a player for one year indicates to me that this team is not ready to simply start over… it is looking for a ring next year. The people hoping to see McF and/or Palmer traded for draft picks are not going to get their wish, and thankfully so. Lets pick up some IMPACT FA LB’s and especially a FS to play behind Seymour… and lets LIGHT THIS CANDLE. McFadden, Moore, and Palmer all the way to the SB!
February 12th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826e407d/article/raiders-dt-seymour-reportedly-set-to-earn-15-million-in-2012?module=HP11_headline_stack
I’m sure after the interview Dick convinced Allen and Reggie he is ready to show up and play. Just get it done baby!
February 12th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
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February 12th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Man — Where do you guys come up with this cr@p??
alex7 Says:
We drafted a CB who was benched his senior season for discipline issues. We drafted Pryor. We draft Jamarcus despite other teams knowing about his undisciplined issues.
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“Undisciplined issues”? Really?
I still have an extremely hard time believing that, once Al interviewed JaDonut for the first time, he was able to sit back and say, “Yeah, I’ll scratch this kid a check for 39mil.”
JaDonut was about as intelligent as a bag of Fritos and spoke like he had a bag in his mouth whenever we heard him speak.
39 mil for that loaf?
Of course the one’s I really feel sorry for are all the dunces that dropped 90 bones on a No. 2 jersey.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
Watching superbowl 38 on NFL films. The beginning of the end.
February 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Thanks for making my point for me again, Alex.
The point is: YOU expect accountablility by the Raiders’ Players…you demand it. You tell us how stupid the Org/Al was at every turn. You hold him and the Team accountable. BUT…
You don’t hold yourself accountable. YOU, a teacher, used the term, implying somebody had “undisciplined issues.”
It still has me laughing/crying at the same time. I have never heard of such a thing, “undisciplined issues”…and if that’s the English being used by a teacher nowadays, the kids haven’t got a chance.
Next, you’ll tell us you’re an English teacher!
February 12th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
CANT REMEMBER WHO WAS IN SB38..
February 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Haha, sorry Superbowl 37.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
Damn. It still makes me sick.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Alex7 — Aren’t you a self-professed teacher??
And you use terms like somebody has “undisciplined issues?”
Does that mean someone has issues with being undisciplined?
No wonder schools are failing our children, with teachers who form sentences like that. I know a lot of NFL Players who speak better than that.
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Maybe Alex simply “misremembered” about those “undisciplined issues”?!
Besides wouldn’t be a “good thing” to have “undisciplined issues” as opposed to having “disciplined issues”?
Moving along…
February 12th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Yes, back to the point.
Oh, yeah…that I think Richard Seymour has been good for the Raiders.
I don’t care too much about his price, as long as he does what the Team asks of him. His price can be changed, benefiting all sides…and he can also be traded away, with some creativity.
Either way…Richard Seymour adds value to the Raiders. With or without Seymour, if the Raiders see someone they want to afford, they’ll find a way to afford him.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
mikeschoice Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Deal with it Hayes -you lose
The Oakland Raiders have a new leader in Reggie McKenzie, who reigns with an iron fist and indomitable will. McKenzie has brought a ruthlessness and ferocity with him to the Raiders franchise. These are qualities that have long been missing, or at the very least misguided.
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I glance through Bleachers, read this article, then come here and see it pasted.
You copy someone else’s words, and paste them as if they are your own?
February 12th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Possible Raider LB in 2012?
**The Charlotte Observer expects the Panthers to let free agent MLB Dan Connor walk on the open market.
The Panthers can’t promise a starting job with Jon Beason returning, and Connor has earned a long-term deal with high-quality run defense over the past two seasons. Connor, 26, should appeal to both 3-4 and 4-3 teams.**
February 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Super Bowl XXXVII could have been the greatest moment of my life. Maybe someday I will fulfilled.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:16 pm
*be fulfilled
February 12th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Raider players will have to earn the “benefit-of-the-doubt” from referees with smarter play for a year or two before the penalties situation clears up.
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Stop blaming the refs. One of the weakest copouts in the league.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Albert Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 5:15 pm
Super Bowl XXXVII could have been the greatest moment of my life. Maybe someday I will fulfilled.
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The greatest moment of YOUR life is someone else succeeding?
That’s pretty much the ultimate failure.
February 12th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
304,RND,only ONE I knew was MR,he bought one,ask Him.Dead Serious!Cant stop laughing about You sayin you feel sorry for the DUNCES WHO BOUGHT ONE!CLASSIC
February 12th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
nicki minaj keep tryna push her illuminati agenda. now she on the red carpet with a guy dressed as the pope and she in all red symbolizing the devils marriage with the catholic church
February 12th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
kool kells wife jus texted me sumtin bout whitney houstons daughter in the hospital.. wtf she taking bout
February 12th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
http://www.xvideos.com/video762187/chanteria_jackson_aka_pr3tty_puxxxy
i used to hit this. but now, i wont answer her emails.
February 12th, 2012 at 6:03 pm
so anyway. like. what kinda production we expecting outta seymour,, i mean. hes just a 15 yard penalty wainting to happen. he wasnt used to losing. so he just goes crazy.
February 12th, 2012 at 6:16 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Now that Ocho Cinco is all but done in New England, there are pretty good chances he could come here and reunite with Palmer where he had his best results. What sayest thou?
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Hell No!
February 12th, 2012 at 6:26 pm
well.. ochocinco is better than houshmanuseless .
February 12th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
We have a group of young talented receivers. We don’t need a washed-up diva coming in here demanding the ball and bringing drama to the locker room
February 12th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Ochocinco didnt demand for the ball in NE
February 12th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
For sure. Our Reveiver Core is probably our best unit.
We need a Tough ass Linebacker.
We need a couple corners, maybe Chekwa or DVD step up, probably one of them does and we sign someone in FA.
Fast Athletic TE and another Guard on Offense.
Definitely need to Franchise or sign Branch Long Term. He is due to have a big year next year and with DA leading that, I’m excited for this Defense!!
Not going to take a lot to “Re-Load” and win this Divison,.
Still the 800 Elephant in the Room is what are we doing with DMaC And Bush?
February 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I got called a “worm” by one of our fellow “fans” here for daring to make the optimistic assertion that the Raiders could have a very good yr. in 2012.
The points against my assertion?
-1st yr. head coach with no NFL HC experience.
Hmmm. There was a 1st yr. HC across the bay last yr. too. Was he coaching in the pros last yr.? Wait. Did HE have prior HC experience in the NFL?
Next point:
-We have a new 1st yr. GM
Wait a second. Are u saying that our new GM is a downgrade from our PREVIOUS GM?
Last I checked, our previous GM was a guy this poster (and many others here) thought as inept, senile, and a person with no clue whatsoever on how to run an NFL franchise in this modern era. Yep…Al Davis.
So, the basis of using the “new GM” excuse for why there’s no possible way the Raiders can win next yr. is that “we don’t have Al Davis anymore”.
SF goes from 5-11 to 13-3 with a playoff win and a fumble away from the Super Bowl but it’s “asinine” to think an 8-8 team (2 yrs. in a row) can go to 12-4, when 12-4 this past yr. could have easily happened if we didn’t have the worst defense since the 1952 Dallas Texans?
February 12th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
Great post Djohnnyg.
February 12th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I got called a “worm” by one of our fellow “fans” here for daring to make the optimistic assertion that the Raiders could have a very good yr. in 2012.
The points against my assertion?
-1st yr. head coach with no NFL HC experience.
Hmmm. There was a 1st yr. HC across the bay last yr. too. Was he coaching in the pros last yr.? Wait. Did HE have prior HC experience in the NFL?
Next point:
-We have a new 1st yr. GM
Wait a second. Are u saying that our new GM is a downgrade from our PREVIOUS GM?
Last I checked, our previous GM was a guy this poster (and many others here) thought as inept, senile, and a person with no clue whatsoever on how to run an NFL franchise in this modern era. Yep…Al Davis.
So, the basis of using the “new GM” excuse for why there’s no possible way the Raiders can win next yr. is that “we don’t have Al Davis anymore”.
SF goes from 5-11 to 13-3 with a playoff win and a fumble away from the Super Bowl but it’s “asinine” to think an 8-8 team (2 yrs. in a row) can go to 12-4, when 12-4 this past yr. could have easily happened if we didn’t have the worst defense since the 1952 Dallas Texans?
Agreed. There is NO team in our Divison that scares me.
Donks- have Shebow as QB, not worried about that
Chefs: QB controversy and Charles may never be the same again
SD Superchokers: they kept Norv
Our schedule is brutal BUT 10-6 is going to be enough for the Divison or a Wild Card.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
Ochocinco didnt demand for the ball in NE
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Bellicheat and Brady wasn’t going to put up with his whining. What makes you think Big Reggie will? No thanks! We don’t need him
February 12th, 2012 at 7:13 pm
No old, slow WR’s looking for attention to carry them into retirement and beyond…
OchoJohnson’s skills don’t match his diva personality anymore. Same with T.O. As if there ever was enough skill for their attitudes.
The strongest personality on this Team better be Dennis Allen’s. Closely followed by his on-field captains.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
Al would have signed ocho retardo….
February 12th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
Al could have, and didn’t.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:21 pm
Djohnnyg-you weren’t called out by a fellow Raider fan.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
To the point of our schedule being brutal, it seems like it’s that way every yr.
I wonder if we will ever catch a break in that regard.
Seems “they” make it as difficult as possible too.
Last yr. it starts out easy enuff- we play a 5-11 Denver team, but wait…it’s on the road and on MNF and we’re picked to lose. Next up, the harmless Bills, but wait again…it’s on the road travelling to the east coast for an EARLY game on a short week.
Then, ahhh yes. We’re finally home. Only problem is it’s against AFC Champion runner up NY Jets, but the league helps us out with another home game. This time it’s perennial powerhouse New England.
Later on we get cupcakes like playing AT Lambeau against the defending SB champs IN DECEMBER no less.
Along the way we get “gifted” patsy home games like NFC Champion runner up Chicago.
I think we may have to just accept that we ain’t never getting it easy.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I got called a “worm” by one of our fellow “fans” here for daring to make the optimistic assertion that the Raiders could have a very good yr. in 2012.
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johnny I think it is becoming clearly apparent that those aren’t Raider fans, they are trolls who are trying to discredit what the Raiders are doing here.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Chad didn’t demand the ball in NE and he didn’t get it thrown to him either because he couldn’t get open.It could be the reason he was successful in Cinn is his QB made him look better than he actually was.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
I got called a “worm” by one of our fellow “fans” here for daring to make the optimistic assertion that the Raiders could have a very good yr. in 2012.
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johnny I think it is becoming clearly apparent that those aren’t Raider fans, they are trolls who are trying to discredit what the Raiders are doing here.
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It was Alias who called him a worm.nuff said!
February 12th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
If I wasn’t a conspiracy theorist, I might just picture the NFL schedule makers getting togethter at the beginning of the yr. and the discussion going something like this:
“Ok. Whatta we do this one guys? We have to have Oakland play Denver and Buffalo; two teams that didn’t do squat last yr. so here’s the deal: We have ‘em play AT Mile High on MNF to start the year, then we make ‘em travel to the east coast on a short week for an early game, THEN bring in the Jets and New England. Man. It’s too bad we have to give ‘em any home games at all (laff) but this should knock ‘em out early, then we’ll throw the GB game, Chicago, and let’s make ‘em play on the road against Miami too. That’s always a tuff one no matter what.
Ok, now let’s make sure GB doesn’t actually play anybody till week 15.”
Like I said, good thing i’m not a conspiracy theorist.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
Lefty, Seymour and Raider O,
You guys are right. I shouldn’t let it even bug me for a second, and it’s true that I think some of these guy’s sole purpose is to douse the fire of any joy or positive expectation on behlaf of Raider fans.
Their worst day would be when the Raiders win the SB.
I have to remember that.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Can someone make a staff list now. I can’t remember which positions are left and who’s who.
Other than the HC, OC, & DC that is…
February 12th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
djohnnyg,
HayesDaze37 I believe is the alter ego of Edward Teach. I received a lecture in morals from him today, and was called a troll; he also said I was guilty of race-baiting, disrespect, irreverence etc., and had no place in this blog – sounded much like the same lecture I received from Teach.
Teach, by his own admission reviews postings here sending those he thinks lack the prerequisite civility to Corky.
Maybe HayesDaze37 (Edward Teach), or an alter ego thereof, called you a worm Johnny in an attempt to bait you into an argument so he could on you to Corky?
February 12th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
Head coach: Dennis Allen
Offensive coordinator: Greg Knapp (With help from Al Saunders)
Defensive coordinator: Jason Tarver
Special teams coordinator: Steve Hoffman
Wide receivers: Ted Gilmore
Running backs: Kelly Skipper
Tight ends: Mark Hutson
Offensive line: Frank Pollack
Asst. offensive line: Steve Wisniewski
Defensive line: Vacant
Linebackers: Vacant
Asst. linebackers: Vacant
Safeties: Vacant
Cornerbacks: Johnny Lynn
Strength and conditioning: Al Miller
Asst. strength & cond.: John Grieco
Offensive quality control: Justin Griffith
Defensive quality control: Eric Sanders
Am I missing anyone or is this all so far?
February 12th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
I have just been hired as the assistant to the semi-pro bloggers of the prediction staff for the 2012 season. 11-5 sounds pretty good to me. Palmer will throw for over 4000 and Mcfad will go over 1000 rushing. The T.E. will be a major factor in our O scheme and Jano will break the record for longest F.G. 68 yds. My first day on the job
February 12th, 2012 at 7:54 pm
343 I followed that whole debacle and you did not say one thing that was out of line. These guys can’t go one day without droppin the race card. When I grew up in the Oakland- Hayward area one of my great sources of pride was my ability to get along with people all over. This racism crap is old and brings down the whole blog.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
A lot of posters think Wimbley will get cut too. I don’t think our staff is going to cut the best pass rusher on the team. I think Wimbley will restructure if he was asked.
Hard to imagine cutting your starting CB and your best pass rusher at the same time.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
343.Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:47 pm
djohnnyg,
HayesDaze37 I believe is the alter ego of Edward Teach. I received a lecture in morals from him today, and was called a troll; he also said I was guilty of race-baiting, disrespect, irreverence etc., and had no place in this blog – sounded much like the same lecture I received from Teach.
Teach, by his own admission reviews postings here sending those he thinks lack the prerequisite civility to Corky.
Maybe HayesDaze37 (Edward Teach), or an alter ego thereof, called you a worm Johnny in an attempt to bait you into an argument so he could on you to Corky?
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Lol. Somebody has WAY too much time on his hands.
February 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Hardline, There’s so much cross posting, hijacking, etc. going on it’s almost impossible to keep up.
There’s no doubt some stuff that crosses the line. That John Tweedy guy was just asking to be banned with some of his stuff, but I hope the ole Corker is fair enough to decipher between what is blatant racism etc. and harmless frivolity.
I was threatened as well for a jocular misstep that I wish I could’ve taken back.
I wrote it, then I thought “Oh crap”.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
I’m hearing rumors from Aggies Insiders on twitter that Raiders hired A&M DL Coach Terrell Williams for the same position in Oakland.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Hardline, There’s so much cross posting, hijacking, etc. going on it’s almost impossible to keep up.
There’s no doubt some stuff that crosses the line. That John Tweedy guy was just asking to be banned with some of his stuff, but I hope the ole Corker is fair enough to decipher between what is blatant racism etc. and harmless frivolity.
I was threatened as well for a jocular misstep that I wish I could’ve taken back.
I wrote it, then I thought “Oh crap”.
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That’s some real talk right there.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
If 3 sacks in 15 games = our best pass rusher,no wonder we stink so bad on defense.Wimbley is one of the over paid/under performers on this team that must be dealt with.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:08 pm
Teach,
If it wasn’t you Teach, I apologize. That goes to the rest of the blog too.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Johnny —
(Hardline) A.D.D. and Tweedy = Cut from the same cloth, if not from the same computer.
That’s why both those names were banned from here. And why anything Hardline says about it is a known falsehood.
Irreverence?? Who gives a sh@T? Nobody said anything about anything except the cr@p A.D.D. was spreading in here. Everything else is an excuse by the troll.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
I didn’t realize Rolando had 5 sacks last year.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Can you say hardline?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:10 pm
He Led the team in sacks the last 2 years, so that does qualify him to be called our best pass rusher.
Regardless if he got all his sacks in one game or 16. According to every stat in the book, Wimbley was our best pass rusher.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
I posted a list of the best pass rushers according to stats, and Wimbley was in the top 10.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
Tommy Kelly had more sacks last year than Wimbley. So, I guess he is our best pass rusher.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
UPDATED:
Head coach: Dennis Allen
Offensive coordinator: Greg Knapp
Defensive coordinator: Jason Tarver
Special teams coordinator: Steve Hoffman
Assistant special teams coordinator: Keith Burns
Senior offensive assistant: Al Saunders
Wide receivers: Ted Gilmore
Running backs: Kelly Skipper
Tight ends: Mark Hutson
Offensive line: Frank Pollack
Asst. offensive line: Steve Wisniewski
Offensive assistant: Nick Holz
Defensive line: Terrell Williams
Linebackers: Johnny Holland
Asst. linebackers: Vacant
Safeties: Vacant
Cornerbacks: Johnny Lynn
Strength and conditioning: Al Miller
Asst. strength & cond.: John Grieco
Offensive quality control: Justin Griffith
Defensive quality control: Eric Sanders
February 12th, 2012 at 8:15 pm
We need to go get someone else that will become next years best pass rusher. Wimbley would need 15 sacks and a couple fumble returns to justify his contract.
Al was really losing it, wow. Anyways, Reggie won’t let any “panick” contracts plague this organization anymore.
I wonder if PapaMac is going to hire a Director of Player Personnel?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
UPDATED (For Real):
Head coach: Dennis Allen
Offensive coordinator: Greg Knapp
Defensive coordinator: Jason Tarver
Special teams coordinator: Steve Hoffman
Assistant special teams coordinator: Keith Burns
Senior offensive assistant: Al Saunders
Quarterbacks: John DeFilippo
Wide receivers: Ted Gilmore
Running backs: Kelly Skipper
Tight ends: Mark Hutson
Offensive line: Frank Pollack
Asst. offensive line: Steve Wisniewski
Offensive assistant: Nick Holz
Defensive line: Terrell Williams
Linebackers: Johnny Holland
Asst. linebackers: Vacant
Safeties: Vacant
Cornerbacks: Johnny Lynn
Strength and conditioning: Al Miller
Asst. strength & cond.: John Grieco
Offensive quality control: Justin Griffith
Defensive quality control: Eric Sanders
February 12th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Btw, I don’t think Wimbley is worth 10-11 million per year, but I do know he is our best pass rusher. Players restructure all the time. It all depends if they want to stay or leave. I think he would like to stay based on his performance the last 2 seasons, and I think he understands that DA can help his career (use him like Von Miller).
February 12th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
As I said,IF Wimbley is our best pass rusher it is no wonder our defense stinks-overpaid/under perform.He isn’t very good!
February 12th, 2012 at 8:22 pm
Terrell Williams is entering his third season of coaching the Texas A&M defensive line. He joined the Aggie football coaching staff on February 2, 2010.
In his two seasons at Texas A&M, the Aggies have advanced to a pair of bowl games, including last season’s win over Northwestern of the Big Ten Conference in the Meineke Car Care Bowl of Texas. In 2010, Williams helped lead the Aggies to a share of their first Big 12 South division crown in more than a decade and a berth in the Cotton Bowl.
The Aggies have made great strides in stopping the run since Williams’ arrival. Last season, A&M allowed just 101. 9 rushing yards per game, which ranked No. 12 nationally. The year before Williams’ arrival, the Aggies ranked No. 90 nationally (171.6 yards per game). In his first season, A&M improved to No. 30 nationally in rushing defense, allowing 130.2 yards per contest.
A native of Los Angeles, Williams is known for being an outstanding recruiter and teacher of the game. Williams has coached multiple Aggies to All-Big 12 honors. Williams’ starting trio of Lucas Patterson, Eddie Brown and Tony Jerod-Eddie earned all-conference mention in 2010, and Brown, Jerod-Eddie and Spencer Nealy received Big 12 accolades in 2011.
Williams came to A&M after four years as the defensive line coach at Purdue. During his time with the Boilermakers, Williams coached the entire line each year with the exception of 2008 when he focused solely on the defensive end position.
He served as Purdue’s liaison to the NFL. In 2007, Williams worked with the Seattle Seahawks’ defensive line during training camp. During the summer of 1999, Williams interned with the Jacksonville Jaguars, assisting with the defensive line.
Williams was one of 26 coaches invited to participate in the 2008 NCAA Football Coaches Academy, designed to reinforce key aspects of securing, managing and excelling in a head football coaching position within intercollegiate athletics.
During his time at Purdue, Williams tutored the likes of Dallas Cowboy defensive lineman Anthony Spencer. Spencer led the NCAA in tackles for loss and was a first-team All-American before becoming a first-round pick of the Cowboys in 2007. Defensive end Cliff Avril was a third-round selection of the Detroit Lions in 2008 with Alex Magee being selected by the Kansas City Chiefs in the third round of the 2009 NFL draft.
Prior to his tenure at Purdue, Williams coached the defensive line at Akron in 2004 and 2005. The Zips won the Mid-American Conference championship game in 2005 and played in the Motor City Bowl. Both the league championship and post-season bowl appearance were firsts in the school’s history. Williams’ nose guard, Kiki Gonzalez, earned MAC All-Conference honors in 2005.
Williams spent two years (2002-03) as the defensive line coach at Youngstown State and helped Guy Mazzard earn All-Gateway Conference honors.
From 1999-2001, Williams served on the Aggie coaching staff at North Carolina A&T working with the defensive line. The Aggies ranked third in total defense among NCAA Division I-AA schools in 1999 allowing 259.4 yards per game and fifth in 2000 with 261.2 yards per game. North Carolina A&T finished 10th in the country in rushing defense in 2001 allowing only 96.7 yards per game. The Aggies were the Black Colleges national champion in 1999 and advanced to the quarterfinals of the Division I-AA playoffs while finishing 10th in the final poll.
Williams got his start in coaching working with the defensive line at Fort Scott Community College during the 1998 season.
Williams was born June 19, 1974, in Los Angeles and earned a bachelor’s degree in communications with a minor in history from East Carolina in 1998. He was an all-star nose guard for the Pirates and a member of the 1995 team that defeated Stanford in the Liberty Bowl, and finished the year ranked No. 23 in the final USA Today/ESPN poll. The 1996 Pirate club defeated the University of Miami in the Orange Bowl on its way to an 8-3 record under head coach Steve Logan. Williams transferred to East Carolina from West Los Angeles College where he was an all-conference defensive lineman. Williams and his wife, the former Tifini Preliou, have a son, Tyson.
THE WILLIAMS FILE
Full Name: Terrell Williams
Birthdate: June 19, 1974
Birthplace: Los Angeles, California
Marital Status: Married to the former Tifini Preliou
Children: Tyson
Education:
Dorsey High School, Los Angeles, CA (1992)
West Los Angeles Junior College (1994)
East Carolina (1997)
COACHING CAREER
2010-: Texas A&M University (defensive line)
2006-09: Purdue (defensive line)
200-05: Akron (defensive line)
2002-03: Youngstown State (defensive line)
1999-2001: North Carolina A&T (defensive line)
1998: Fort Scott Community College (defensive line)
BOWL GAMES AS COACH
2011: Meineke Texas (Texas A&M)
2010: Cotton (Texas A&M)
2007: Motor City (Purdue)
2006: Champs Sports (Purdue)
2005: Motor City (Purdue)
BOWL GAMES AS PLAYER
1995: Liberty (East Carolina)
February 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Everyone has an opinion, so I can understand & appreciate your opinion, but stats say Wimbley is one of the best pass rushers last season.
The Most Productive 25 Pass Rushers
Rank Name Team Pass Rushes Total Pressure Per Pass Rush PRP
1 Carlos Dunlap CIN 202 38 18.81% 15.47
2 Von Miller DEN 302 55 18.21% 15.15
3 Trent Cole PHI 231 43 18.61% 14.94
4 Cameron Wake MIA 311 56 18.01% 14.55
5 Chris Long SL 351 61 17.38% 13.60
6 Kamerion Wimbley OAK 324 53 16.36% 13.19
7 Brian Orakpo WAS 259 43 16.60% 12.93
8 Jason Babin PHI 272 44 16.18% 12.87
9 Clay Matthews GB 363 54 14.88% 12.26
10 Aldon Smith SF 238 36 15.13% 12.18
11 Demarcus Ware DAL 332 49 14.76% 11.45
12 John Abraham ATL 243 33 13.58% 11.01
13 Chris Clemons SEA 348 49 14.08% 10.99
14 Antonio D. Smith HOU 319 41 12.85% 10.66
15 Clark Haggans ARI 230 31 13.48% 10.65
16 Andre Carter NE 353 45 12.75% 10.48
17 Dwight Freeney IND 276 36 13.04% 10.42
18 Ryan Kerrigan WAS 291 38 13.06% 10.31
19 Osi Umenyiora NYG 216 28 12.96% 10.19
20 Tamba Hali KC 302 38 12.58% 10.18
21 Robert Quinn SL 218 27 12.39% 10.09
22 Cliff Avril DET 295 36 12.20% 9.66
23 Adrian Clayborn TB 285 34 11.93% 9.65
24 Terrell Suggs BAL 355 43 12.11% 9.51
25 Rob Ninkovich NE 233 28 12.02% 9.44
While the rookies are making a name for themselves, it’s interesting that after Dunlap, you have to go a long way to find the next second-year player, and that’s a defensive tackle in the shape of Geno Atkins in 34th spot. Atkins is the fourth-ranked DT/3-4 DE on the list, with Cullen Jenkins leading all defensive tackles after picking up six sacks, seven hits and 18 hurries on 271 pass rushes. Yet it’s Antonio Smith who is dominating the interior linemen stakes with a 10.66 PRP rating that is good enough for 14th overall. It’s overlooked just how big of a success story Smith has been for the Texans this year, with his impact felt by many a quarterback. Here are the Top 15 interior pass rushers:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
I was talking about Wimbley before, and one of the posters here said that Wimbley doesn’t have a lot of impact plays like Clay M, D Ware, Suggs, etc.. I do agree with that, but I’m sure that scheme had a lot to do with that too.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
Other sources on twitter reporting DL Coach hire.
Still haven’t seen a credible source (FOX, ESPN, CSN, etc…) report it though.
Have you guys heard from a credible source?
February 12th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
Sorry…
kbtxsports KBTX Sports
Alex Marvez of Fox Sports reporting Terrell Williams leaving Texas A&M to be new DL coach for Oakland Raiders
This was an hour ago…
February 12th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Raider O Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Everyone has an opinion, so I can understand & appreciate your opinion, but stats say Wimbley is one of the best pass rushers last season.
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But again, you have to watch stats and how they are used. Half of Wimbley’s “stats” came in the one game against SD. So, yes, in that one game he was other worldly. The other 15 games? Not very good.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
The entire defense didn’t play well for 16. That’s was the problem.
Seymour played great the first 5-6 games, but then he was not the same player the rest of the season.
Wimbley was asked to play SLB (SAM), so he had to cover & set/ hold the edge to help against the run.
February 12th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
16 games…..
February 12th, 2012 at 8:58 pm
That was the problem.
Excuse my bad writing skills (typos). I’m tired.
Have a great night nation.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Wimbley can’t cover,he is terrible against the run,and had 3 sacks in 15 games.He is overpaid and he under performs.If the new staff can make him a good player-good.If they can’t it will be 3 strikes(3 staffs-3 failures) and he should be out-as in out of here.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Sup nation
Was goin ta hit da club but my girl started being winey so I chilled now em here wit y’all
So…
Wuts Raidering
February 12th, 2012 at 9:03 pm
?????
February 12th, 2012 at 9:06 pm
Not much man. Looks like a new guy on coaching staff.
Another Aggie.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:11 pm
this Lynn guy sounds like a scrub.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
watch spud webb dunk at 47
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fk-t2HnXfy4&lc=V8rIbYMnv5AnZ8xkHU25rNizvOZGgLo5hPaCwWtY8yo&feature=inbox
February 12th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
354.HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 8:09 pm
Johnny —
(Hardline) A.D.D. and Tweedy = Cut from the same cloth, if not from the same computer.
That’s why both those names were banned from here. And why anything Hardline says about it is a known falsehood.
Irreverence?? Who gives a sh@T? Nobody said anything about anything except the cr@p A.D.D. was spreading in here. Everything else is an excuse by the troll.
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Hayes,
You are a funny guy, moralizer – proselytizer. You didn’t post for almost an hour in here, and suddenly, one minute after I post mentioning your name, you post, as stated above.
Another issue, until a few days ago I never saw your current screenname. I went back and reviewed quickly articles written by Corky and Jer in Oct., Nov., and Dec. of 2011, and never saw a single post by HayesDaze37. That has me wondering since you bragged that you have been a regular contributor here since this the inception of this blog. Maybe I am mistaken, but I am wondering who you really are.
Finally, the next issue Hayes is your harrassment and personal attack on Alex7
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Alex7 — Aren’t you a self-professed teacher??
And you use terms like somebody has “undisciplined issues?”
Does that mean someone has issues with being undisciplined?
No wonder schools are failing our children, with teachers who form sentences like that. I know a lot of NFL Players who speak better than that.
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I would submit posters, in the haste of posting, make errors in their language, spelling etc. Take you for example:
“That’s why both those names were banned from here. And why anything Hardline says about it is a known falsehood.”
Your second sentence in this paragraph is no shining example of grammar, syntax, or language:
“…..anything Hardline says about it is a known falsehood.”
The word, “it” should be an actual reference; I don’t know what “it” is. And known falsehood ??? I have always admitted that I was disrespectful, disparaging, and irreverent, to Al Davis, some players and staff. So how could I be attempting to perpetrate a falsehood?
Take my advice Hayes, and don’t intermeddle in issues for which you know nothing. And as far as your claim:
“I know a lot of NFL Players who speak better than that.”
Talk about disparaging: Mother Superior you are not.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
our best pass rusher . cant believe he smokes though.. sthletes these days .. i swear its why they suck .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1fY9BThOkc
February 12th, 2012 at 9:23 pm
HayesDaze37 has been here all season; back off and shut up, semi-hard line.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Purvisman,
Take your own advice, my man; that would be best for all.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
Hardline troll — I have been in here since the inception of this blog. For a few years as LesterHayesTheJudge…and for the last 6-years (and since “registration” began) as my present name.
Unlike you, and those you try to defend, I’ve never shown the need to be banned here.
Why do you insist on defending yourself so…when we’ve already seen the truth behind you…and your multiple names.
Find someone else to chase around, troll…I actually enjoy the sports talk more.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:29 pm
#381, so did Tatum and half the Raider in the 70’s; it’s legal and as long as he plays hard, I don’t reaaly care.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
HayesDaze37,
Sorry Hayes, you are the one who continues this. I never personally attacked anyone, nor do I have multiple screennames.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:32 pm
I think the Raiders keeping Seymour could benefit the Raiders at the trade deadline;
should he be healthy, the fact that he has just this season left; teams in the playoff hunt, would love to have Richard for the second half of the season with approximately only half his remaining contract for the 2012 season.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Hardline,
I have been disparaging on many occasions to almost everybody associated with the Raiders.
All that losing took it’s toll on my happy Raider disposition and I blamed everybody from the hot dog vendor to Al Davis.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
jack tatum huh .. ok.. so in 2012 guys can smoke ciggarettes be4 the game and try and stop peyton manning .? ok,… lets smoke cigars after we win sumtin. when u suck u need 2 be doin everything to be good. heck drinkin noni juice… tryin yoga. eatin all organic foods. even ,
February 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Djohnnyg Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:02 am
Does any NFL team need this many dang coaches?
Special asst’s, “Senior advisors”, etc. etc. etc.
There’s more coaches than players.
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Sounds like where I work. Seems like there are more bosses than employees.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:34 pm
Wimbley is getting paid like he’s Demarcus Ware or Richard Dent, he’s playing like he’s Tyler Brayton.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Dorian I’m more concerned about that potbelly he was showin than the cigarette.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:37 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Wimbley can’t cover,he is terrible against the run,and had 3 sacks in 15 games.He is overpaid and he under performs.If the new staff can make him a good player-good.If they can’t it will be 3 strikes(3 staffs-3 failures) and he should be out-as in out of here.
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I agree. He’s a one trick pony and wasn’t even that good at that trick this year. Got paid based on his sacks last year. Another head scratcher contract.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
HayesDaze37, it’s a great day and night to be a Raiders fan. I wouldn’t have it any other way! Some would,though,always.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:39 pm
djohnnyg, #388,
You have been disparaging for cause Johnny; and no harm in that at all. You are a logical and solid poster in here.
I admit I got carried away before, but being a Raider’s fan since 1969, I couldn’t stand to see the club self destructing.
I know several posters in here attacked you, but like you said in a previous post, it’s the nature of the blog. Me, I don’t worry…
February 12th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
I appreciate it, Purvis.
I knew a Purvis once…had a big ‘fro back in the day!
February 12th, 2012 at 9:48 pm
Anyone know the details of Wimbley’s contract, though. It’s reported he has 29 million guaranteed but I’d like to know more details.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:49 pm
395,
Thanks man.
My criticism of the hot dog vendor goes back to him having the nerve to sell one to Mark Sanchez.
He should’ve at least put “something” in that dog.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
Highest paid linebacker in the league at the time of the signing. What a joke.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:50 pm
djohnnyg, lol….true…like some knock-out drops!
February 12th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Djohnnyg,
How long are you a Raider fan?
February 12th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
TSR,he did restructure last year but I don’t know the details other than his contract was for $48mil over 5 years with $29 mil guaranteed.
February 12th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:41 pm
I appreciate it, Purvis.
I knew a Purvis once…had a big ‘fro back in the day!%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%%% I told my dad I wanted to marry a big tall black girl and name our first born son Purvis, so we could have a Purvis Purvis out there tearing up the courts. He was white and old (died last Dec. 6 at 97) and didn,t think that was funny. Hell, I’m only 58; It’s not too late.
February 12th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Purvis,
I know you don’t want to hear this from me, but I am sorry that your dad passed away recently. At least he had a good, long life.
The antecdote you told about Purvis Purvis is a good one. And no, it’s not too late for that, especially considering the longevity in your family. You are still young!
February 12th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
Old Mr. Purvis must’ve had a colorful life. I’ll tilt one for him tomorrow…I’ve been on a long tear today!
February 12th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Thank you,Hardline ,I’ll try to ease up on you for a while. HayesDaze37, thanks, I’ve always been a fan of your optimism. Great days ahead!
February 12th, 2012 at 10:13 pm
Defending the Shield the only way I know how, Purvis. Appreciate the kudos…and right back at ya.
Good-night to all. Yes…even you, Hardline.
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
February 12th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
401.Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:54 pm
Djohnnyg,
How long are you a Raider fan?
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From the time I was a young lad.
My family were/are all Bears fans.
I go all the way back to the “glory days”.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Djohnnyg,
If you can believe it, I came up watching George Blanda. My family were 49′er fans. When the Raiders drafted Stabler, and all the misfits came together, I was hooked.
I was very young too then, living in northern Cal.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:07 pm
It’s been filled with a lot of pain over the yrs. hasn’t it Hardline?
When I’m jumping for joy over Gradkowski leading the Raiders to victory at Pittsburgh and that’s the highlight of the season for me?
5-11 but man we beat Pittsburgh. Ha.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
I bid you all a pleasent evening/morning.
Looking forward to some exciting news. Whatever it may be.
Looking forward to seeing us transition to a disciplined, hard nosed, winning team.
It’s a new era.
This offseason is too darn long.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
RaiderRetribution,
The days of overpaying players for what they’ve accomplished years beforehand, or for mere athletic attributes, are over.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
McKenzie is from the school of Ron Wolf. The best FOOTBALL PLAYER, at every position.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
# dorian gray Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 9:20 pm
our best pass rusher . cant believe he smokes though.. sthletes these days .. i swear its why they suck .
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R1fY9BThOkc
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Smoking A cigarette is not a big deal, just as long as he is not consistent smoker or chain smoker, than that would be a problem.
However, towards the end of the clip, he looks like he is definitely buzzed.
February 12th, 2012 at 11:39 pm
alex7 Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Rob Ryan’s D last year, 2nd LEAST penalized.
Turner leaves Raiders, his team becomes more disciplined.
Gruden leaves Raiders, his Bucs don’t have penalty issues.
Seattle’s O-line one of the least-penalized groups last year.
It’s NOT the coaching. You guys do ZERO researach.
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The league and the refs have had it in for the Raiders for god knows how long.
Even Jerry Rice noticed the biased the refs had against the Raiders when he first got here and Tim Brown told him “I told you so”.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Officiating in this year’s Superbowl must have been very difficult for the refs. Their favorite, “let em slide regarding penalties” NY and the Pat’s were playing at the same time, as well as official’s two pet QB’s Manning and Brady.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:04 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8ZfRPiTSawc&feature=youtu.be
“For 48 yrs as owner and GM, Al Davis brought together the people of Oakland on Sundays so that they might stab at each other more easily…”
February 13th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Johnny Lynn and Mark Hutson added to the coaching staff, according to Fox Sports.
Lynn will be an assistant defensive backs coach. Hutson will be an assistant tight ends coach. Allen has not hired anyone to be the primary coaches at either of those spots yet.
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Seems a bit odd, doesn’t it?
sort of like hiring a LB Coach, D-Line Coach & DB Coach before you know who your DC will be …
Am I alone on this ???
February 13th, 2012 at 5:38 am
Fox Sports said it’s possible that Allen also will hire Clayton Lopez to work with the secondary. Lopez spent the past three seasons as the St. Louis Rams secondary coach.
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Anybody is better than Rod Woodson!
bring back Lionel Washington for pete’s sake
February 13th, 2012 at 5:40 am
There has been word circulating all afternoon that Texas A&M defensive line coach Terrell Williams might wind up as the defensive line coach for the Raiders
-Football Scoop
February 13th, 2012 at 5:42 am
The 49ers denied Tampa’s request to interview Ed Donatell for their defensive coordinator position
-Football Scoop
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I wonder if they did the same to us ???
February 13th, 2012 at 5:45 am
Adam Schefter reported last night that the Bucs do plan to hire New York Giants quarterbacks coach Mike Sullivan as offensive coordinator
-Football Scoop
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no more OC jobs up for grabs. Hue Jackson had one confirmed interview and it was with the Rams. Al Saunders had one confirmed interview and it was with the Chiefs.
anybody think Hue will seek a QB Coach or WR Coach job?
February 13th, 2012 at 5:54 am
Report: Wife of Tommie Harris dies at 29
Posted by Michael David Smith (PFT)
Ashley Harris, the wife of defensive lineman Tommie Harris, has died at the age of 29.
Sean Jensen of the Chicago Sun-Times reports that Ashley died Sunday evening, two days after she was hospitalized in Oklahoma with a stroke or brain aneurism.
Ashley gave birth to their second child four months ago.
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My wife turns 29 in October. Really makes you want to cherish the time you got man. you never know when your time is up. crazy. certainly puts things into perspective. my prayers are with that family
February 13th, 2012 at 5:56 am
Since i’m the first one to arrive this morning, I guess coffee is on me.
Gabby, fire up the skillet too.
good morning AM crew
February 13th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Billy Cundiff got a text msg from Scott Norwood that said “you suck”
February 13th, 2012 at 5:58 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
Rockstar, what’s up man? Thanks for breakfast!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 6:10 am
Awful news for Tommie Harris.
Harris was an awesome talent, who was really good for the Bears for a few years, than got the “dinged” bug and couldn’t stay healthy enough to be productive the last few years.
Got to wonder with this news, and an infant, he just leaves the game.
Damn shame.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:11 am
Seems a bit odd, doesn’t it?
sort of like hiring a LB Coach, D-Line Coach & DB Coach before you know who your DC will be …
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Isn’t our DC that Stanford dude?
2012 = year of the egg-head revival!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 6:16 am
You guys hear any news of contract restructures over in Alameda? I caught a quick mention of ‘doing things like the Raiders’ and renegotiating some contracts now. I hadn’t heard anything outside of the Routt getting chopped.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:23 am
JFB,
hopefully Harris has been smart with his money. Maybe his mom or Ashley’s mom can watch the baby?
in any event, players don’t usually return to form after a loss like this.
mom, dad, aunts & uncles are one thing … but a wife?
sad sad news
February 13th, 2012 at 6:24 am
I heard something about Seymour guaranteeing to be a Raider in 2012, but that’s it! Huffy was tweeting about what to get for dessert at Cheesecake Factory…
February 13th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Isn’t our DC that Stanford dude?
2012 = year of the egg-head revival!!!
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Agreed. Reggie McKenzie wanted the Raiders to be a smart football team under his watch – not just a talented one. I like it
February 13th, 2012 at 6:28 am
I like the idea of just swallowing the pill with Dick Seymour, and not guaranteeing him more money, by restructing and extending him.
Pay him this year, and if he leaves in 2013, you get a nice compensatory pick and $15 million in newfound cap space.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:29 am
I heard something about Seymour guaranteeing to be a Raider in 2012, but that’s it!
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Really?
Maybe he heard some of the semi pros in here and decided to take a pay cut? He can certainly finish his career a Raider, but at what cost? He’s gotta know that no other team in the league would pay him $8-15 million per season
February 13th, 2012 at 6:32 am
When can we officially start trading players, or can we already?
I think we will some player movement, but maybe not until right up and in the draft.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:32 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 5:37 am
Johnny Lynn and Mark Hutson added to the coaching staff, according to Fox Sports.
Lynn will be an assistant defensive backs coach. Hutson will be an assistant tight ends coach. Allen has not hired anyone to be the primary coaches at either of those spots yet.
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Seems a bit odd, doesn’t it?
sort of like hiring a LB Coach, D-Line Coach & DB Coach before you know who your DC will be …
Am I alone on this ???
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I think Steve misunderstood the initial report. The Fox Sports report said Lynn and Hutson were going to be assistants, with Lynn coaching the DBs and Hutson with the TEs. I suspect Fox meant “assistant” as in assistant coaches (which they are), but Steve took it to mean “assistant at those positions.”
February 13th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 6:32 am
When can we officially start trading players, or can we already?
I think we will some player movement, but maybe not until right up and in the draft.
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Can’t start with the trades until the new league year begins in mid-March.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:34 am
I like the idea of just swallowing the pill with Dick Seymour, and not guaranteeing him more money, by restructing and extending him.
Pay him this year, and if he leaves in 2013, you get a nice compensatory pick and $15 million in newfound cap space.
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ahh, the other side of the arguement. This wouldn’t surprise me or upset me. Seymour is not consistant. He plays when he wants to. He credits Tommy Kelly for making the Pro Bowl the past two seasons. I would hope he’d make the pb even with Terdell Sands next to him!
I think we should axe John Henderson and get rid of Seymour or Kelly (but not both)
February 13th, 2012 at 6:36 am
The Fox Sports report said Lynn and Hutson were going to be assistants, with Lynn coaching the DBs and Hutson with the TEs. I suspect Fox meant “assistant” as in assistant coaches (which they are), but Steve took it to mean “assistant at those positions.”
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@Duck
that makes much more sense. thanks bro
February 13th, 2012 at 6:36 am
Hardline Says:
February 12th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Corky, you are dorky. Your claim that Asomugha was a Raiders standout is about as bad as your claim that SD was dog-whipped and would just lay down, last game of the season.
Wrong, Wrong, Wrong, Wrong.
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Our Pass Defense looked a whole hellova lot better with him on the field with us than without him there.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I STILL THINK THE RAIDERS WILL DRAFT THE “SPEED” GUY..
February 13th, 2012 at 6:44 am
I STILL THINK THE RAIDERS WILL DRAFT THE “SPEED” GUY..
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Dirt Lot,
I’m cool with that as long as you’re referring to the 5th & 6th round picks we got and not the 3rd round comp pick!
February 13th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Speed isn’t always bad.
I mean, I will take the super-fast guy, who played a ton, loves football, and is just undersized for his position.
But enough of the super-fast guy, who didn’t necessarily excel collegiately, isn’t overly passionate about the game and is not undersized, rather just not that good.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:48 am
NOOO ROCKSTAR,WILL TRADE INTO EARLY 1ST AND TAKE A DB OR WIDE RECIEVER..
February 13th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Mav & Hardline,
the Nnamdi arguement? still?
nobody could have predicted that CJ37 would only start 3 games or that he’d have the family crisis. nobody knew Huff would miss 5 games. nobody knew Routt would be a penalty machine. nobody knew Al Davis would pass and Chuck B would try to get creative with the defense who was only well versed in Al’s man2man scheme/system. nobody knew Chekwa would land on I.R. and Lito Sheppard would be signed off the street to start half the season.
If Davis didn’t pass and our players in the secondary stayed healthy and without the loss of family members, we would have won the AFC West and NOBODY would question the decision not to pay N21 the $12-15 million per season he wanted!
February 13th, 2012 at 6:52 am
TRADE INTO EARLY 1ST AND TAKE A DB OR WIDE RECIEVER..
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Dirt Lot,
I think we’re good at WR. I wouldn’t be surprised to see us trade into RD1 to take a CB since Routt has been released. I just hope we can trade away players and not future draft picks. Rome wasn’t built in a day. It will take Reggie some time to get all the contracts in line and get the underacheivers out the door
February 13th, 2012 at 6:58 am
WAS JUST TALKING SH$T ROCKSTAR.WILL BE AN INTERESTING FEW WEEKS LEADING UP TO AND INCLUDING THE DRAFT.I FOR 1 AM LOOKING 4WARD TO WATCHING MR. MCKENZIE AND ALLEN WORK ON THIS TEAM.
February 13th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Franchise tags can be placed on players beginning next Monday and free agency begins March 13th. I think trades can’t be made until the free agency period begins.
Does anyone think we franchise any of our FA’s? I doubt it.
I’m looking for Wimbley, Huff & Curry to restructure their “out of whack” contracts or be shown the door.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:03 am
Does anyone think we franchise any of our FA’s? I doubt it.
I’m looking for Wimbley, Huff & Curry to restructure their “out of whack” contracts or be shown the door.
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CW,
we are in agreement on both
Bush & Branch should not be tagged. they should not receive monster contracts either.
Add Seymour and/or Kelly to your “out of whack” contract list please
I’m expecting Henderson & CJ37 out the door fairly soon. Sheppard & Housh are other vets not welcome to return (UFA’s anyway)
February 13th, 2012 at 7:16 am
445.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 6:49 am
Mav & Hardline,
the Nnamdi arguement? still?
nobody could have predicted that CJ37 would only start 3 games or that he’d have the family crisis. nobody knew Huff would miss 5 games. nobody knew Routt would be a penalty machine. nobody knew Al Davis would pass and Chuck B would try to get creative with the defense who was only well versed in Al’s man2man scheme/system. nobody knew Chekwa would land on I.R. and Lito Sheppard would be signed off the street to start half the season.
If Davis didn’t pass and our players in the secondary stayed healthy and without the loss of family members, we would have won the AFC West and NOBODY would question the decision not to pay N21 the $12-15 million per season he wanted!
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RR- No “I told you so” comments here and we can’t tell the future, but I was in the minority who thought we should keep Nnamdi. I know who his contract was big but for the $ I did not see where it could be used else where knowing Al would not use it on the o-line.
Never had much trust in Routt or Huff (W/ the exception of being the TE Slayer). All of the other rookies were just that rookies. And CJ was good for getting hurt before last years injuries and unfortunate family issues. I did not think CJ was going to make it the whole year at his age.
I mean for a team who likes to go man to man often. Plays weak at the zone, who out there was better than Nnamdi, even at his price tag?
February 13th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I always liked CJ37, and while everyone always touted Routt’s 2010 “burn” ranking, CJ37 was only two spots below him that year.
Not sure if his heart is still in football, but if he wants to come back, I would welcome him.
I think he is our best zone cover guy.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:19 am
Seymour and Kelly don’t provide enough heat game after game for their contracts.
No doubt Kelly has under played his contract and Seymour has not been an impact player. Not sure if injury held him back this year or what but it is time to free up some cash baby!!!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 7:20 am
With all due respect, Signing CJ37 would be counter productive to put it nicely.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:20 am
451.Just Fire Baby Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I always liked CJ37, and while everyone always touted Routt’s 2010 “burn” ranking, CJ37 was only two spots below him that year.
Not sure if his heart is still in football, but if he wants to come back, I would welcome him.
I think he is our best zone cover guy.
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Agree, but it will have to be on the cheap and we need to develop his back up ASAP!!! CJ seems to be aging fast in the knees. Hated to see what the guy went through his family this year. How tragic man!
February 13th, 2012 at 7:23 am
RR, Seymour’s contract is definately out of whack but from what I’ve heard, it’s already in the books. Kelly is getting 6 Mil for 2012, he may be overpaid but I can’t see much changing with his contract(trade perhaps?)
I would like Branch to be resigned but there’s no way he’s tagged. Bush I would welcome back but there are a bunch of other guys that can take his spot in FA if he gets a big payday somewhere else.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:24 am
No matter where Stan Routt ends up signing he WILL be an elite corner. Write that down.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:25 am
definitely* before someone corrects me
February 13th, 2012 at 7:31 am
Not saying we unload the truch on CJ37. Hell, he could be back at a cheaper rate than years before.
But I don’t think he is worthless, if he is healthy and committed he can play and contribute.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
I don’t see our run defense improving all that much just with the presence of a new DC …
ShoNasty-Seymour-Kelly-Houston
Wimbley-McClain-Curry
your defensive front seven are ALL under contract for 2012. something has to be done personnel wise imo
February 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
No matter where Stan Routt ends up signing he WILL be an elite corner. Write that down.
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Elite???
Servicable probably, but I would doubt he makes any Pro Bowls.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
456.HairyBush Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:24 am
No matter where Stan Routt ends up signing he WILL be an elite corner. Write that down.
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What makes you think that. He wasn’t elite here… and don’t give me scheme, because Nnamdi made himself elite here. Routt is very good in man2man coverage in making a home in the WRs hip pocket, but he doesn’t make enough plays on the ball, and he is terrible in the red zone.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:35 am
On paper, you see the names on our defensive front seven and think we’re gonna dominate.
Look at the Run Defense rankings for the last 9 years and you’ve got to be concerned.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:35 am
I don’t see our run defense improving all that much just with the presence of a new DC …
ShoNasty-Seymour-Kelly-Houston
Wimbley-McClain-Curry
your defensive front seven are ALL under contract for 2012. something has to be done personnel wise imo
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I disagree. This defense CAN stop the run, the key is to get them to do it consistantly. The new regime should be able to improve greatly upon the consistancy, accountability and discipline. On that alone our Run D will improve into the teens in my opinion.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:36 am
He wasn’t elite here… and don’t give me scheme, because Nnamdi made himself elite here. Routt is very good in man2man coverage in making a home in the WRs hip pocket, but he doesn’t make enough plays on the ball, and he is terrible in the red zone
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HB,
and this comes from a Stan Routt fan!
the truth shall set you free
February 13th, 2012 at 7:40 am
If Routt were so good, than why was HE targeted so often by the opposing QB’s? Especially in the Red Zone?
You’d think if he was such a shutdown guy they’d be going to other side to abuse us.
If u say “Well Routt was always on the main receiver so it makes sense they’d try to throw to the main guy , who Routt just happens to be on”.
Is that the case though? If so, fine, but nobody shied away from throwing his way that’s for sure like in Nnamdi’s case.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:45 am
bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:32 am
456.HairyBush Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:24 am
No matter where Stan Routt ends up signing he WILL be an elite corner. Write that down.
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What makes you think that. He wasn’t elite here… and don’t give me scheme, because Nnamdi made himself elite here. Routt is very good in man2man coverage in making a home in the WRs hip pocket, but he doesn’t make enough plays on the ball, and he is terrible in the red zone.
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I think Routt’s aggresiveness/confidence along with his already present cover skills in a different enviroment will be what it takes for Stan to take his game to the next level. Nnamdi flourished in Oaktown and should have been retained, He went to Philly and was was whatever. It will be the total opposite for Routt, He will go to another team and won’t be called for half the penalties he was called for this past year. In turn he will feel more comfortable to “make a play on the ball” and not worry so much about a P.I. call. I don’t think it matters what team he goes to, Any new coaching perspective will only enhance what I believe to already be a very strong player who takes way to much heat. I watch all the games usually several times, Routt is a player with above average talent to say the least. I hate to keep beinging up Nnamdi but Stan Routt kind of reminds me of him in the regard of taking a while to evolve into what was at one time mere potential. If it was a perfect world there would be a restructuring of his contract which I agree was out of whack. Oh well, He’s no longer a Raider, Let’s go Chimdi!
February 13th, 2012 at 7:45 am
The thing about the Routt penalties, is that our other corners were thrown at more, and penalized less.
Plus Routt now has this stigma attached to him (whether right or wrong) that will carry with him to his next team, and won’t get the benfit of the doubt on many calls.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:48 am
Routt had 17 penalties.
Lito, CJ37, Huff, Branch, Girodano, Chekwa and DVD had 21 combined, with 3 being personal foul penalties.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
463.bcz24 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:35 am
I don’t see our run defense improving all that much just with the presence of a new DC …
ShoNasty-Seymour-Kelly-Houston
Wimbley-McClain-Curry
your defensive front seven are ALL under contract for 2012. something has to be done personnel wise imo
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I disagree. This defense CAN stop the run, the key is to get them to do it consistantly. The new regime should be able to improve greatly upon the consistancy, accountability and discipline. On that alone our Run D will improve into the teens in my opinion.
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I too am of the “Raiders Optimism Club” of 2012, but…remember this defense is indefensible. Hard to defend a defense that was of historically inept proportions.
The stats show that THIS Raider D was the worst D since the 1952 Dallas Texans.
1st D to give up over 2,000 yds. rushing AND 4,000 passing.
Sometimes u can point to an inept offense as helping the D achieve such dubious numbers, but our offense was actually, at worst, a better than average one that wasn’t running off the field and straining the D all the time.
I know we cannot and will not be able to see wholesale changes on the D as I would prefer, due to contracts and other concerns, but I say this in all honesty that if you plucked the defense of LSU, right now where it stands today, and put Raider uniforms on them, that THEY would perform better than what we have today.
No matter what they do with the D, how can it be much worse?
Will opposing teams march down the field in 40 secs. instead of 1:30?
February 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Routt has always been a PI machine. I, for one, am glad he is gone. I hope he goes to Den, KC or SD, so we can get the benifit of his pelalties tho games per year rather then the 16 games of crap he use to give for the Raiders. Huge disappointment from him.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
A big problem with the defense last year was, 1. installing a whole new terminology after the lockout, these same guys under Marshall would have been much better, and 2. making wholesale changes to the scheme midseason after Al passed. When players are confused they can not do their job. Add to that, the lack of discipline and accountability, and you know what you end up with… the 2011 Oakland Raider defense.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:55 am
I liked Routt’s agressivenes, but dammit, turn around and look for the ball!
February 13th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Ryan Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Routt has always been a PI machine. I, for one, am glad he is gone. I hope he goes to Den, KC or SD, so we can get the benifit of his pelalties tho games per year rather then the 16 games of crap he use to give for the Raiders. Huge disappointment from him.
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Be careful for what you wish for.
February 13th, 2012 at 7:58 am
When players are confused they can not do their job. Add to that, the lack of discipline and accountability, and you know what you end up with… the 2011 Oakland Raider defense.
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Well said
February 13th, 2012 at 8:00 am
I too am of the “Raiders Optimism Club” of 2012, but…remember this defense is indefensible. Hard to defend a defense that was of historically inept proportions.
The stats show that THIS Raider D was the worst D since the 1952 Dallas Texans.
1st D to give up over 2,000 yds. rushing AND 4,000 passing.
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DJG,
even if you didn’t mean to, you sort of proved my point
February 13th, 2012 at 8:02 am
alexmarvez Alex Marvez
#raiders have hired texas a&m’s terrell williams as new d-line coach, a source told foxsports.com.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:03 am
I know we cannot and will not be able to see wholesale changes on the D as I would prefer, due to contracts and other concerns, but I say this in all honesty that if you plucked the defense of LSU, right now where it stands today, and put Raider uniforms on them, that THEY would perform better than what we have today.
No matter what they do with the D, how can it be much worse?
Will opposing teams march down the field in 40 secs. instead of 1:30?
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DJG,
it can’t get much worse.
Question is, how much BETTER can it get with the same players?
you look at the contracts and wonder if it’s even worth the gamble to “leave the defense alone” and hope that the run defense rises up into the teens. These guys clearly have not been able to execute for YEARS and the blame doesn’t just fall on Chuck Bresnahan
February 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Morning Gents,
Greg Pappa said last week on the radio that Routt would never acknowledge his issues with the yellow flag in the org. He’d always blame it on something else. Glad the effer is gone. At least now opposing teams will have to run more that just the quick slant in the red zone.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am
so we “officially” have a new D-Line Coach?
sweet. does this complete the staff?
February 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Would’nt mind seeing honey badger in silver and black
February 13th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Would’nt mind seeing honey badger in silver and black
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related to Brad Badger?
February 13th, 2012 at 8:14 am
Randy Moss says he’s coming back
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2012, 10:06 AM EST
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Receiver Randy Moss retired from football in 2011. Few believed it would stick.
And it’s apparently not going to stick.
The man who once said he plays when he wants to play has announced via a Ustream.tv live video that he wants to play.
“I just wanna go to a team and play some football,” Moss said in an appearance commemorating his 35th birthday, which included at one point an acknowledge of our effort to push traffic to the event by mentioning it on the PFT Twitter page.
“I said I had a surprise for y’all,” Moss added not long after showing off a bag of his hair and pointing out that it smelled “musty,” like “sauerkraut.”
He also explained that he retired because he had things going on off the field, and that his family has told him, “It’s fine, whatever you wanna do.”
What’s he’s going to do is return to the game.
“Faith, family, and football, that’s my M.O., bro,” Moss said. “Your boy be back for the upcoming season.”
The offseason just got a lot more interesting.
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Here’s a guy NOT on my 2012 wish list
February 13th, 2012 at 8:15 am
Cutting Routt saved some money and may have eliminated some penalties – but it also depleted an already ridiculously weak secondary.
Lito, CJ, Huff, DVD, Checkwa are your potential corners as of right now. Anyone feel good about choosing from that menu ?
Lito stinks. CJ can play when healthy, but never seems to be. Huff is a bum and isn’t a corner.
Raids have to bring in some help or be prepared to roll with the two sophomores – DVD and Check.
Raids also must replace the non-hustling, non-tackling, Stafford whiffing, slow as molasses, wannabe thug, masquerading as an NFL MLB.
DUMP SLOWLANDO McSNAIL.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Once we sign Courtland Finegan, Mario Williams, and Brent Grimes our D will be just fine. Wake me up anytime.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Not sure about this move to CB for Huff.
I just think of that home game against Denver, where he was lined up as a CB on Decker, and was blown out the gates.
Decker scored from 40 yards, and could have scored from 240 yards, as Huff was just nowhere to be seen.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Raids also must replace the non-hustling, non-tackling, Stafford whiffing, slow as molasses, wannabe thug, masquerading as an NFL MLB.
DUMP SLOWLANDO McSNAIL.
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RM99 gets it
February 13th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Fuk moss that ignorant Fuk should just stay re tired his Times past him just like TO and ochocinco,
February 13th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Huff is NOT moving to CB and Moss is NOT welcome to return to Oakland …
February 13th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Randy Moss can go play for the Allen Wranglers in the Indoor Football League …
February 13th, 2012 at 8:30 am
Not sure about this move to CB for Huff.
I just think of that home game against Denver, where he was lined up as a CB on Decker, and was blown out the gates.
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Thought you were going to mention the 3rd degree burn he got in Jax. Huffy needed some skin grafts after that one.
I’m sure.
Huff isn’t a corner.
Isn’t much of a safety either.
BUST.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Bring Moss back to replace Housh.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:35 am
aig-raiders Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Greg Pappa said last week on the radio that Routt would never acknowledge his issues with the yellow flag in the org. He’d always blame it on something else. Glad the effer is gone.
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Of course he would blame it on whatever, because Al would buy that and that’s all Routt needed. Didn’t matter WHAT the coaches though; as long as Al was on your side, you’d start every game and get the big payday down the road.
As for Moss: relax, everyone. NOTHING in either McKenzie or Allen’s makeups suggests they’d touch that diva with a 10-foot pole.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Trade Huff to the Cowboys for a draft pick.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:36 am
Romac isnt the slowest lb ive ever seen. He just has no instincts as a mike.. Hopefully he can get it together when we line up in a 3-4.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I agree just trade huff.. F his stupid contract
February 13th, 2012 at 8:42 am
The only reason romac gets one more look is because at 1mil next yr he can ride the pine if he stinks.. He’s a whole lot better than williams or brown
February 13th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Pls no Moss.
February 13th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Romac isnt the slowest lb ive ever seen. He just has no instincts as a mike.. Hopefully he can get it together when we line up in a 3-4.
The only reason romac gets one more look is because at 1mil next yr he can ride the pine if he stinks.. He’s a whole lot better than williams or brown
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Mark,
Sam Williams didn’t make the team last year. Hue Jackson couldn’t get Ricky Brown & Bruce Davis II off the team fast enough. placed Brown on I.R. for a stubbed pinky toe the day after Al passed and chopped Davis the week after his heroic ST play against Houston. Our reserve LB’s used to be good special teamers
apparently Groves & Blackstock didn’t get the memo!
Hiram Eugene on I.R. was another ST loss. Jerome Boyd couldn’t hold his jock. Derek Hagan & JLH were useful on ST. Housh was a bum
Hue Jax didn’t make special teams a priority!!
February 13th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I belive good coaching can turn most of this defense around.. But a few guys just dont fit. We need a true boulder at DT, and a tackle machine at ilb.. We need a vet FS who can take a decent angle at the ball too
February 13th, 2012 at 8:57 am
RR, when you pay kicker as much as we do they’re expected to kick it through the endzone or inside the 20.. Romac can learn sp teams like the rest of the thugs
February 13th, 2012 at 8:59 am
But about hue not seeing the big picture, ya I know.. Was never a hc before.. Nor was he ever traind to be one.. A mike martz, norvel turner type of guy
February 13th, 2012 at 9:02 am
I have much more optimisim about our new no Al Davis meddeling coaching staff.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:04 am
We need a true boulder at DT, and a tackle machine at ilb.. We need a vet FS who can take a decent angle at the ball too
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Mark,
so we should replace Kelly, McClain & Huff?
those are currently your NT, MLB & FS …
you’re giving a free pass to Seymour, Wimbley, Curry & Branch?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:06 am
And F randy moss! Some say cp3 quit on his team, no. cp3 quit working for brown, ater the season.. Moss quit on his teammates mid yr, mid game sometimes..
February 13th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Romac can learn sp teams like the rest of the thugs
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LOL!
I’d be surprised if he was a better special teamer than Williams, Davis, Brown or Goethel.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
We don’t need Randy Moss. we already have a WR with alligator arms!
Louis Murphy
February 13th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Good call RRS.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:07 am
We don’t need Randy Moss. we already have a WR with alligator arms!
Louis Murphy
February 13th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Come on guys, bring Randy Moss back.
I still have his jersey hanging in a
closet somewhere !!!
(and yes i would wear that one before i
would wear my Russell jersey !!) lol lol lol
February 13th, 2012 at 9:14 am
503. Romac gets a chance to compete. Huff needs to go or resign cheap. Kelly is basicly the same pass rushing type of tackle as seymour, and we should keep the cheapest one.. But he might have to play alot of end on running downs so seymour is safer in my mind.. Wimbley is a beast at times, he needs to fix his deal and get put into better positions to attack. And I love the way curry tackles. Id like to resign him and hope he fits the new plan.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Keep Kelly without question. R Seymour is a useless Fk that only shows up 2-3 weeks a year and has more meltdowns than sacks!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:18 am
But im not affraid of gutting this D to the bone.. Imo a defense can be built pretty fast if the player sbuy in and give it all they have
February 13th, 2012 at 9:19 am
GSW!
Only a couple baskets away from a 6 game run. K Thompson is legit! Dorell sits and watches Klay for a entire 4th quarter….step your game up Dorell!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:22 am
We made the superbowl with a bunch of over the hil free agents before.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:23 am
“We made the superbowl with a bunch of over the hil free agents before.”
Yes we did in 2002 and we have been rebuilding ever since.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:25 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:12 am
Come on guys, bring Randy Moss back.
I still have his jersey hanging in a
closet somewhere !!!
(and yes i would wear that one before i
would wear my Russell jersey !!) lol lol l
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I converted my Moss jersey into a L.Murphy. (now he sux too!) lol I can’t win.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:27 am
You cant blame the superbowl for bad draft picks in the following 9 drafts.. Not to mention, the moss/walker decisions..
February 13th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Makes two of us Hairy !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Mista, maybe you didnt hear, Seymour is staying put. just gave him his bonus.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
DMAC.. good afternoon bro !!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am
K. Thompson will be a star in the NBA one day.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I predict McKenzie will draft 2 or 3 diamond in the rough linebackers. And a beat dt.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Pls no more about moss. He was one of my biggest dissapointments..
February 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
DMAC.. good afternoon bro !!
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What up Mike?
How was your weekend?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Yes Dethrow, thats what im looking for!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Seymour is a grade a azz hole, kinda glad we kept him.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Seymour is staying put. just gave him his bonus.
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Mike,
Link? Source?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Don’t worry R8ER MIKE, with Al gone, Pryor will take his old #2 back and everyone with a Russell jersey can just change the name!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Tim Brown of Yahoo! Sports reports that the A’s have signed Cuban outfielder Yoenis Cespedes.
Susan Slusser of the San Francisco Chronicle says the deal is worth $36 million over four years, beating the record six-year, $30.25 million contract that the Reds handed left-hander Aroldis Chapman in January 2010 by a wide margin. It’s an incredibly surprising move by the supposedly cash-strapped A’s. Cespedes carries great hype and has the potential to contribute at the major league level in his first year, but Oakland has quite a few holes to patch before they can be considered competitive. And the “prospect” they just signed is already 26 years old. He’ll make $9 million per year before hitting the free agent market again heading into the 2016 season.
Source: Susan Slusser on Twitter
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FK Wolf and Beane!
These fk’ers are trying to load up for San Jose.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
fukin COLD and windy !!
and had to go to the mall, valentines day, dont ya know. HATE the mall , would sooner have somebody poke me in the eye then go to that God forsaken place !!!
and how was your week-end ?? lol lol
February 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Well, if seymour is stuck here then kelly should be traded.. I want a DT who can play the nose in a 3-4
February 13th, 2012 at 9:36 am
My dad’s raiders were a bunch Seymours , man I wish we had that same style of mentality these days. McClain is a church girls compared to the 70, 80 Raiders.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:36 am
RR its all over the news, n.f.l. channel and sirius nfl radio.
even a whole bunch of posts in here too .
February 13th, 2012 at 9:37 am
Not listening.
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R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Mista, maybe you didnt hear, Seymour is staying put. just gave him his bonus.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:38 am
lol Carl. it wil save me about $90. lol
February 13th, 2012 at 9:38 am
SI_JimTrotter Jim Trotter
just spoke w/ richard seymour. said he has several elite years left & would be willing to restructure/extend his deal if #raiders asked.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:39 am
You are 100% dead wrong. Those Raiders were bad boys but they made plays. I would be ok with Seymour’s Meltdowns if he actually was a force, he is not a force. He is a farce.
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DEATHROW 55 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:36 am
My dad’s raiders were a bunch Seymours , man I wish we had that same style of mentality these days. McClain is a church girls compared to the 70, 80 Raiders.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:39 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:35 am
fukin COLD and windy !!
and had to go to the mall, valentines day, dont ya know. HATE the mall , would sooner have somebody poke me in the eye then go to that God forsaken place !!!
and how was your week-end ?? lol lol
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Yeah, I went to the mall 2. The good thing is I didn’t have to see a whole bunch of bandwagon fans wear their Whiner gear. I swear I went up there 3 weeks and had to leave, because of Whiner mania. (puke)
February 13th, 2012 at 9:39 am
How much was the bonus?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Yep!
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DMAC Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:29 am
K. Thompson will be a star in the NBA one day.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Ok, so this is what I found………
The Raiders have paid Richard Seymour’s $7.5 million roster bonus, ensuring he’ll remain with the club this year.
There was speculation that Seymour would be a candidate for release due to his massive salary, but GM Reggie McKenzie indicated the Raiders “wouldn’t be making wholesale changes” despite their recent decision to part with CB Stanford Routt. Seymour is set to make $15 million in 2012 and is now fully guaranteed the $30 million extension he signed with the Raiders in 2011.
Source: Jim Trotter on Twitter
February 13th, 2012 at 9:41 am
our mall is one BIG DAY-CARE CENTER !!
little kid running wild without a parent in sight !!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:42 am
I also found this………..
Len Pasquarelli of the Sports XChange confirms that keeping free agent SS Tyvon Branch remains a “priority” for new Raiders management.
Pasquarelli suggests Branch may even get the franchise tag, which would cost the Raiders a reasonable $6 million, if no long-term accord can be reached. The club’s ideal scenario would be to extend Branch long term and place the tag on free agent Michael Bush. Per Pasquarelli, Branch “comes very highly recommended by people (Raiders GM Reggie) McKenzie trusts.”
Source: Yahoo Sports
February 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Although most of Seymours sacks come off of good coverage, I still like him because the 4-line just seems to play better when he’s playing.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Is Mike Mitchell staying ?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:45 am
I meant d-line
February 13th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Jim Trotter just spoke w/ richard seymour. said he has several elite years left & would be willing to restructure/extend his deal if #raiders asked
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thanks man!
but like JFB said, may not be worth it … regardless of what Sey wants or is willing to do
February 13th, 2012 at 9:45 am
In addition to the Titans and Bills, free agent CB Stanford Routt has also received interest from the Cowboys, Vikings, and Chiefs.
Cowboys DC Rob Ryan has shown an affinity for players he’s coached in the past, and he worked with Routt in Oakland. The Chiefs are in the same boat as the Titans, looking to protect their flank with Brandon Carr due to hit free agency. The Vikes need all the secondary help they can get.
Related: Cowboys, Chiefs, Vikings
Source: ESPN Dallas
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Could Huffy possibly join him in Dallas???????????
February 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Seymore needs to restructure tge rest of hid deal…
February 13th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Routt wont get signed for 10 mil a yr I can tell u that
February 13th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Mark, why would he restructure? plus this is his last year on this contract. if he restructures , it would add more year to his contract.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Keep branch.. Pls dont franchise bush.. He’s good. But at 9mil next yr, I want an every down back. Bush cant block. Little gore across the bay blocks better..
February 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I expect the Raiders to bring back Tyvon. Allen will turn this guy into a legit star. I expect him to blitz much more and create turnovers.
Branch will make his first pro bowl next season.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
You can add 30 years on to a contract they aren’t guaranteed.
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R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:48 am
Mark, why would he restructure? plus this is his last year on this contract. if he restructures , it would add more year to his contract.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
The Raiders have paid Richard Seymour’s $7.5 million roster bonus, ensuring he’ll remain with the club this year.
There was speculation that Seymour would be a candidate for release due to his massive salary, but GM Reggie McKenzie indicated the Raiders “wouldn’t be making wholesale changes” despite their recent decision to part with CB Stanford Routt. Seymour is set to make $15 million in 2012 and is now fully guaranteed the $30 million extension he signed with the Raiders in 2011.
Source: Jim Trotter on Twitter
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wow!
first boneheaded move Reggie Mac has made unless there is some cost effective restructure or extension that hasn’t been made public (yet)
Handing Dick a check for $7.5 million was a big mistake
How can he possibly be worth the $15 million he’s set to rake in this season? Is he gonna transform this Run Defense all by himself and play every down? Seymour is just 1 of 11 starters that didn’t get it done last season. If he gets a free pass due to Chuck Bresnahan being DC, Stan Routt should have too!
February 13th, 2012 at 9:51 am
dont know if the Redskins need a corner, but that is the only place foolish enough to pay that much. IMO. Marks hair Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:46 am
Seymore needs to restructure tge rest of hid deal…
February 13th, 2012 at 9:53 am
551. Because he is old and doesnt want to move.. Players who move get lost..
February 13th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Very true statement Mista.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:54 am
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The Eagles fired Lynn after the 2011 season after the Eagles’ highly touted secondary, which included former Raiders standout Nnamdi Asomugha, failed to play at a high level for most of the season.
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Are we saying he will have more success with 2nd year Chemdi and a gentle DVD?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
556 Al was the only guy dumb enough to pay routt that much
February 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Richard Seymour staying for close to 1 mill per game, eh? Wow.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:56 am
No tag for Bush. Fact that he couldn’t keep his motor running in a contract year tells you all you need to know.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:56 am
554. Thanx for explaning what restructuring and guaranteed means
February 13th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Richard Seymour is not only still making Pro Bowls due to the previous seasons he played with the Patriots, but he’s still one of the league’s highest paid players.
Who else is making $15 million this year?
I bet thats more than Rey Lewis & Haloti Ngata combined …
February 13th, 2012 at 9:59 am
If Dickard Seymour refuses to restructure go ahead and take the cap hit and cut his lethargic a$$.
February 13th, 2012 at 9:59 am
I know the bonus is a done deal, but can’t Reggie still restructure Seymour’s contract and add incentives?
February 13th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Sey has got to restructure the rest or the deal. 7.5 is ok. But the whole 15.. No
February 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Where is PeymourGlen Bush during the R Seymour debate? Quit lurking and tell us all how dumb we are because Seymour is a pro-bowler.
#dunce
February 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Wimbley is the only linebacker for the Raiders that has proven he could get off blocks and make a tackle. He is a keeper!!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
wow!
first boneheaded move Reggie Mac has made unless there is some cost effective restructure or extension that hasn’t been made public (yet)
Handing Dick a check for $7.5 million was a big mistake
How can he possibly be worth the $15 million he’s set to rake in this season? Is he gonna transform this Run Defense all by himself and play every down? Seymour is just 1 of 11 starters that didn’t get it done last season. If he gets a free pass due to Chuck Bresnahan being DC, Stan Routt should have too
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Please see post 433!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Check it out…Seymour is #5 on the highest paid NFL players list…behind Peyton, Bradford, Brady, Vick.
http://www.therichest.org/sports/highest-paid-nfl-players-2011/
You might say Seymour contributed more than Peyton, but then again, since most of Seymour’s contribution looked like it happened in the locker room (not on the field), we don’t know just how much “motivating” Peyton was doing…
February 13th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Who else is making $15 million this year?
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Santonio Holmes.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:03 am
556. We can spread his guaranteed money over 40 years… The Al Davis way. Mograge the future. Its not like the nfl has an exporation date.. We can always play with next yrs cash.. Lets go get super mario too!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Raiders have paid Richard Seymour’s $7.5 million roster bonus, ensuring he’ll remain with the club this year.
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his salary this season should be the vet minimum and if he wants that other $7.5 million you gotta add 2 more years to the deal. and make it non-guaranteed
vet minimum plus $7.5 million in 2012
3.75 in 2013 (no roster bonus. no guaranteed $$$)
3.75 in 2014 (no roster bonus. no guaranteed $$$)
February 13th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Williams and wimbly off the edges.. Sounds scarey.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Who do you guys think will get the ax next?
I say Huffy?
(just sayin)
February 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Please see post 433!
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Yup. Reg was screwed. pay 7.5 for SFA or double it and get Seymour for the season under a new regime that doesn’t appear as if they are going to tolerate BS.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
We can spread his guaranteed money over 40 years
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Are we still paying JaWalrus?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Marks hair Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 9:55 am
556 Al was the only guy dumb enough to pay routt that much
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Routt was worth that much. What Mr Davis failed to see was Routts coaches were the culprit. They could not coach him up. Routt will make his mark with good coaches. Cutting Routt was more of a statement move than anything else. Mr Davis thought the money would inspire Routt to be a great playah, but when you have an inept D staff, well I’m afraid that just trickles on down to the playahs. Routt was a victim of bad, inept, useless, way below sub-level NFL coaching.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:08 am
So how many sick days do nfl players get? (just wondering)
February 13th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Is Seymour’s street value really $15M? Would any other team pay him THAT much?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:11 am
576.DMAC Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Who do you guys think will get the ax next?
I say Huffy?
(just sayin)
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I say the first to say no to restructuring (taking a pay cut). I think Wimbley and Huff would take less. Like Reggie, this is based on my gut and nothing more…
February 13th, 2012 at 10:11 am
If routt was worth 54 million dollars. We should not have to teach him man coverage.. Its all we ran! With any coach..
February 13th, 2012 at 10:12 am
SFA= Sweet Fvck All.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:13 am
579, your crazy man
February 13th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Rought couldnt cover a slant with rod woodson showing him how.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Is Seymour’s street value really $15M? Would any other team pay him THAT much?
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Arj,
Seymour turns 33 this year. nobody else would pay him HALF that much!
However – as JFB & Jhill so astutely noticed, Reggie Mac inherited that lousy contract and it looks like next year Seymour will be gone and we wont have to tolerate that monster contract in exchange for occasional good play any longer
February 13th, 2012 at 10:16 am
if Stan Routt didn’t “get it” after 7 years, he was never going to …
-Reggie McKenzie
February 13th, 2012 at 10:18 am
yes, Huff will have a hard time making the team. He is not cut out to be the hard nose safety that teams want and his corner skills have diminished.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:19 am
Packers add Alex Van Pelt as running backs coach
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A guy that played QB and has been QB Coach for several years is now taking a lowly RB Coach job for a good team?
I wanted AVP as QB Coach in Oakland!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:20 am
I hav to agree with 587-589
February 13th, 2012 at 10:21 am
588.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:16 am
if Stan Routt didn’t “get it” after 7 years, he was never going to …
-Reggie McKenzie
Is this true or…?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Mike Huff is a solid all-around player, but he’s not going to have 10 INT’s or 100 tackles
he wont usually make the game saving INT or stuff the bruising RB at the line of scrimmage
therefore, even though I think he’s a good player … we shouldn’t be paying him like a GREAT player
just one of the many bloated contracts Reggie McKenzie inherited from Al Davis
February 13th, 2012 at 10:22 am
2romes Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:18 am
yes, Huff will have a hard time making the team. He is not cut out to be the hard nose safety that teams want and his corner skills have diminished.
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There aren’t many better than average free safeties in the league. We could do a lot worse than Michael Huff.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Not much too talk about till the 13th I guess
February 13th, 2012 at 10:24 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/bengals-add-mark-carrier-to-coach-defensive-backs/
this guy got the job Rod Woodson applied for!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Huff gets alot of flack because Al drafted him too high and resigned him for too much.. decent player but his pay is wac. Bet this wont happen with mm34. Resign at a reasonable price or get out
February 13th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I like branch against the run, and im hoping in the new system he can shine.. Plus his suck pass D has gotten a little better, and I respect hard workers
February 13th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I think Seymour will restructure and extend his contract to 1 or 2 years.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Lt deal for branch.. But keep it nice. He’s not a top 5 saftey or anything
February 13th, 2012 at 10:36 am
We need to get Hiram Eugene, Mike Mitchell & Jerome Boyd outta here.
re-sign Matt Giordano and have a bunch of undrafted guys compete for the last remaining safety spot. Reggie & Dennis can find a youngster better than the 3 aforementioned losers
Tyvon Branch should be re-signed if the price is right. starter money for sure, but not Top 10 SS money
February 13th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Everyone who proclaimed our new GM to be a msart guy for dumping Routt MUST trust the Seymour deal, right?
I mean, did the GM lose his smarts in 3 days?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:37 am
(Repost)
I expect the Raiders to bring back Tyvon. Allen will turn this guy into a legit star. I expect him to blitz much more and create turnovers.
Branch will make his first pro bowl next season.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:38 am
has Eugene been cleared by the doctors yet?
might have to wave him on an injury setelment.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Everyone who proclaimed our new GM to be a smart guy for dumping Routt MUST trust the Seymour deal, right?
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I trust Reggie as GM …
what about the other 99% of bloggers that made fun of him and said he was dumber than a box of rocks after watching his first Raider press conf (when he was introduced as GM by Mark Davis) ???
February 13th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Essentially RM brought back Seymour for 7.5 mil. The other 7.5 was paid for no matter what. Would you take a chance on that guy for 7.5 mil? That’s what it boiled down to. I would. He has a chance to impact our team more than a db.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:43 am
599.Raider O Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I think Seymour will restructure and extend his contract to 1 or 2 years.
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Seymour is guaranteed his 15 Mil next season, if he gets cut he gets his 15 Mil. Why would he restructure and add years to his contract for equal dollars?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Mr Peabody and His Coal Mine, #579
You are right to a certain extent Peabody, but in a general sense. Our players were subject to coaches who performed insubtantially and so themselves did the same.
It’s hard to determine ability of Rout, but he is going into his 8th season, so his strenghts and weaknesses should be well known.
A perfect example of what you claim are the coaches for the Cowboys. I watched several of their games and have never seen more stupid coaches. It was atrocious, and those coaches through bad strategy, and poor game management were responsible for multiple losses. Rob Ryan should have been fired mid-season: he is a horrible slob, looks like a pregnant cow, and is operating off the family name, and unsuccessfully at that.
Remember, he was our DC too.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:44 am
602. Seymours money was guaranteed. There was no out clause to use like in routts deal..
February 13th, 2012 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar #601,
Rockstar, we need Boyd, Jerome Boyd. We need Lito Shepard too. Those two are critical to our future plans.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:46 am
I trust Reggie as GM …
what about the other 99% of bloggers that made fun of him and said he was dumber than a box of rocks after watching his first Raider press conf (when he was introduced as GM by Mark Davis) ???
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LMAO @ the other 99% of the bloggers. So you are the only one that is on board with Reggie? I wasn’t on the blog when Reg was introduced but is that what really went down? Was the guy torn a new one during his inaugural presser?!?!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am
607, he’ll restructure if he wants to retire a raider and a winner
February 13th, 2012 at 10:49 am
610.Hardline Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:46 am
RaiderRockstar #601,
Rockstar, we need Boyd, Jerome Boyd. We need Lito Shepard too. Those two are critical to our future plans.
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This is a joke, right? Boyd can and will be replaced without using a draft pick if need be and Sheppard will only be in the silver and black if Reg sits on his hands during free agency.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:50 am
It you look at Huff’s tackling style alone that will tell you he is not cut out to be a decent safety for run support pass support he is just OK. He would have to change his tackling style which is hard to do after he has been tackling the way he does for years. The Eagles tried being Nnamdi back to safety on occasions and he sucks at that position because he was not use to making solid tackles as a Raider. From past experience Huff does will not have it easy if he continues to play safety in that style and I have not seen him play a great game at corner with the Raiders ever.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Seymour is guaranteed his 15 Mil next season, if he gets cut he gets his 15 Mil. Why would he restructure and add years to his contract for equal dollars?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
According to Seymour he is willing. Someone here posted it yesterday.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:52 am
611. He was ripped by the few hopless fans with no faith in the greatness of the Raidas
February 13th, 2012 at 10:52 am
O Dog!
What up my brother, from another mother?
How was your weekend?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Carl Weathers, #13
Of course it’s a joke !! lol
February 13th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Boyd’s a stud!
Get over it!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I wasn’t on the blog when Reg was introduced but is that what really went down? Was the guy torn a new one during his inaugural presser?!?!
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CW,
it was pretty harsh. Everybody was still fuming that Hue Jackson got fired less than 48 hours before the press conf and Hue Jax was all over the media at that time telling his side of the story.
they made fun of the way he looked and they way he talked. a bunch of the comments he made got over-analyzed and ripped to shreds
I basically stated that I want a guy who will DO the right things, not just SAY the right things. I pointed out that Reggie was a very qualified candidate from his prior experience at Green Bay and that with him being a former LB maybe he’ll kick McClain’s ace?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Amazing how bad our defense has been that our FS gets ripped for run support.
Can I get a good example of a run supporting FS?
February 13th, 2012 at 10:56 am
Seymour could be used as a role player to shore up the line if he get several tough-as-nails young studs in there with him – mercenary killers I call them…
Once his contract expires Seymour is probably gone. $15M should buy us the best young D tackle in the NFL, not a washed up Seymour prone to 15 yd personal fouls that march our opponent up and down the field for nothing.
February 13th, 2012 at 10:56 am
619.DMAC Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Boyd’s a stud!
Get over it!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
lol,lol
February 13th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Huffs not a corner.. Maybe in a tampa 2. And I dont think he’s a starting fs either really.. But maybe Allen can get him going.. He makes things look easy for his safetys.. Lots of balls seem to get thrown right to them..
February 13th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Fix the front 7, Huff and Branch are pro bowlers!
February 13th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Its the Jedi Mind trick…
February 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Let’s play who wants to be GM for the silver and black?
Who would you use your franchise tag on?
I say Reece. (does anyone know how much it would cost to franchise a fb?)
February 13th, 2012 at 11:01 am
621. Good point. Although I do wish huff could take a good angle now and then .. I dont mind a fs not hitting and wrpping like ray lewis, but at least get to the right spot..
February 13th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Don’t have to franchise Reece, he’s a RFA.
I wouldn’t use the franchise tag this season.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Reece is a restriced FA, mayne!
No need to tag that guy.
I tag …..
NO ONE!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:03 am
Reece will resign without forcing a tag on him.. Hometeam
February 13th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Thats shows you how much I know about the financial side of things.
lol
February 13th, 2012 at 11:05 am
If you tag a guy, his jakkass agent will demand a long top 5 contact.. We have nobody that valuable.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:05 am
J Hill Says:
Making the probowl you are picked by your peers and fans by being a great individual player. Has Huff ever been placed in probowl contention?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Well then Branch, if they can’t get a long term deal done.
It’ll probably cost about 6.5 mil
February 13th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Can I get a good example of a run supporting FS?
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Eric Berry, Earl Thomas, Dashon Goldson, Nick Collins.
Michael Huff makes twice as much money per year as Nick Collins.
It’s not only run support, though – it’s open-field tackling on receivers he struggles with, too.
If Huff isn’t blitzing or making a play on the ball, he’s virtually worthless on the field. And too many times he’s a split-second late to making a play on the ball.
Terrible in man coverage, too – can’t cover TEs, can’t press.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:07 am
We have some talent, reg just needs to fix or wait out a few of Als bad deals..
February 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I love Earl Thomas’ game! Thats a real FS!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
“CW,
it was pretty harsh. Everybody was still fuming that Hue Jackson got fired less than 48 hours before the press conf and Hue Jax was all over the media at that time telling his side of the story.
they made fun of the way he looked and they way he talked. a bunch of the comments he made got over-analyzed and ripped to shreds
I basically stated that I want a guy who will DO the right things, not just SAY the right things. I pointed out that Reggie was a very qualified candidate from his prior experience at Green Bay and that with him being a former LB maybe he’ll kick McClain’s ace?”
So funny how everyone was on him that day but like you and I said as long as he is good at evaluating talent who cares about his ability as a public speaker.
So far so good.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Huff was the Raiders’ best option at FS last season – but his contributions are worth about $2 million a year, max. Not $8 million.
It was reported (by Adam Caplan, I believe) that no other team showed interest in Huff because he’s viewed as “soft”. That’s not a knock on him physically – that’s a knock on his style of play.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am
BREAKING NEWS:
Tyvon Branch does not have a date for Valentines Day.
tyvonbranch Tyvon Branch
All my boys getting married and having kids and stuff and I can’t even find a valentine smh… I got to get my life right
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February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am
It you look at Huff’s tackling style alone that will tell you he is not cut out to be a decent safety for run support pass support he is just OK. He would have to change his tackling style which is hard to do after he has been tackling the way he does for years. The Eagles tried being Nnamdi back to safety on occasions and he sucks at that position because he was not use to making solid tackles as a Raider. From past experience Huff does will not have it easy if he continues to play safety in that style and I have not seen him play a great game at corner with the Raiders ever.
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Just going to add to this because I pretty much agree with it. Does any NFL defensive player backpedal when making tackles as much as Michael Huff? I’ve seen him give up way too many yards doing that. Secondly, if he’s really so good in coverage, where are all the interceptions?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC (One of my favorite members of The Green Party),
I’m unemployed bro seeking employment. Weekend/ week day all the same to me. I spend a lot of time working on my projects, looking for a job, and spending time with the family.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:10 am
635. hopefuly branch wont force us. But id rather overpay branch than huff
February 13th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Raider O Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am
DMAC (One of my favorite members of The Green Party),
I’m unemployed bro seeking employment. Weekend/ week day all the same to me. I spend a lot of time working on my projects, looking for a job, and spending time with the family.
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Fasho’
Hope you find employment soon brother.
If not, don’t forget JHeezy and I are ready to start our dispensary business. We can’t do it w/ out our financial guru.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Raider O, maybe Kell could get you a job selling houses at Kane and Associates.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:15 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Where is PeymourGlen Bush during the R Seymour debate? Quit lurking and tell us all how dumb we are because Seymour is a pro-bowler.
#dunce
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Before the season started you wanted Janikowsky cut, DHB cut and they were two of our most productive players. Just by you saying anything derogatory about Rich Seymour immediately makes him one of our best players. Because you are a moronic idiot who can’t get anything right, and has never once gotten anything right.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Wow!
Finally getting some real rain. (Oakland)
February 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
YA,
Huff has steadily improved as a Raider year in and year out.
This past season he was playing REALLY well prior to his concussion week 2. Leg injury followed and he wasn’t very productive this year. No argument there.
Last year he was VERY good. 8 million good? Probably not. But he made SEVERAL plays to get us off the field on 3rd down It’s ridiculous to say the guy can’t tackle when he fills up the stat sheet with just as many tackles as those guys you mentioned.
Forte in the preseason, Gore and Foster each made Huff look silly ONE TIME. That’s 3 bad run support plays ALL year. Like I said, fix the front 7 and you don’t have our FS one on one with PRO BOWL RBs in the open field.
Can’t cover TEs???? Disagree, but is that what FSs are supposed to do?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
Huff was an Al pick.. So he got a bloated 2nd contract. That was the old commitment to Als excellence.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DMAC… can i have a job as a taste tester ??
February 13th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Dez & Reece are FAs. Bush & Branch the best 2 FAs on the roster. We can add another back in FA or the draft in later rounds, so there is no need to tag him or keep him (unless he is cheap, which he will not be). Branch is the best player in our secondary, and we must do whatever it takes to resign him. He is young and talented, and he is the best S in FA.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:18 am
If it’s one thing that Huff can do well……..
It’s covering TE’s.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:18 am
or quality control ??
February 13th, 2012 at 11:19 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
DMAC… can i have a job as a taste tester ??
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First things first.
We’ll hire the guinea pigs later. (send us your resume)
lol
February 13th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’m not phuggin with a dispensary, DMac!
I’d just be willing to refer some vendors O’s way so we can all get paid!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:24 am
you want a resume ?? how about a x-ray of my lungs !! lol lol lol !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am
I basically stated that I want a guy who will DO the right things, not just SAY the right things.
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Exactly, see Hue Jackson…
How anyone could rip on Reggie after he was recommended by Ron Wolf & Ken Herock(sp?) is ridiculous. Low IQ I guess, to put it nicely.
Raider on Reggie, I’m on board all the way! I’ve even come to accept the Greg Knapp hire and am convinced that he will reign in Palmer and have a ball control high tempo offence that limits turnovers.
p.s. can someone fill up my kool aid, I’m all out.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:25 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:24 am
you want a resume ?? how about a x-ray of my lungs !! lol lol lol !!!
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That will def work
February 13th, 2012 at 11:26 am
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:16 am
YA,
Huff has steadily improved as a Raider year in and year out.
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Mike played well year before this last one (finally). This last year he didn’t play that well whether concussions or injury or both. You have to admire him gutting it out in the end tho.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:27 am
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’m not phuggin with a dispensary, DMac!
I’d just be willing to refer some vendors O’s way so we can all get paid!
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Aw J Heezy!
You backing off already?
Do I have to replace you?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:28 am
could really use the job DMAC.. trying to quit smoking cigarettes, need something to supplement !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:29 am
This last year he didn’t play that well whether concussions or injury or both. You have to admire him gutting it out in the end tho.
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I do give him credit for gutting it out and playing hurt.
Same with McClain, Seymour, Bryant and all the other guys who played hurt!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:30 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:28 am
could really use the job DMAC.. trying to quit smoking cigarettes, need something to supplement !!!
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Send me that resume. Looks like J Heezy is getting cold feet. May have to find a another business partner.
lol
February 13th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Do I have to replace you?
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I think you filed my application under the wrong job title.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
666
February 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The people that think Huff is a good FS need to take a look of a replay of Ed Reed in the Ravens first playoff game. The dude was EVERYWHERE! Now ask yourself how many of those plays Huff would have made. The answer is a big fat ZERO! Is he better than Boyd? Hands down… but so am I, and I am 51 years old. Huff is not the answer at FS, and I doubt he’d be the answer at CB. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets “Routted” soon…
February 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
lol lol .. its on the way !!!
that sh1t is to tasty to back out on !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:32 am
The Miami Herald has “serious doubts” the Dolphins will re-sign NT Paul Soliai.
The Herald is joining the Palm Beach Post in predicting that Soliai will walk. Soliai is not expected to offer a “hometown discount,” and would no longer carry top-end nose tackle value if the Dolphins follow through on rumored plans to switch to a 4-3 defense. He’ll be playing elsewhere in 2012.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:33 am
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Do I have to replace you?
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I think you filed my application under the wrong job title.
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I told those b!tches in HR to get it right. My bad.
So what position are you applying for?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:34 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/goodell-will-get-nearly-20-million-per-year-by-end-of-decade/
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WTF???? And to think there are still geeks on this board complaining about the salaries of a few of our PLAYERS?? Not only should Stanford Routt be brought back, he should get a hefty “I’m sorry” raise!!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:34 am
DMac,
I’m more of a behind the scenes guy.
I prefer to be the guy who knows the dispensary owners than actually be a dispensary owner.
Not trying to relive the days of being armed 24/7.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:35 am
The people that think Huff is a good FS need to take a look of a replay of Ed Reed in the Ravens first playoff game.
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Why?
No one said Huff was a first ballot HOF’r.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Gdog Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The people that think Huff is a good FS need to take a look of a replay of Ed Reed in the Ravens first playoff game. The dude was EVERYWHERE! Now ask yourself how many of those plays Huff would have made. The answer is a big fat ZERO! Is he better than Boyd? Hands down… but so am I, and I am 51 years old. Huff is not the answer at FS, and I doubt he’d be the answer at CB. I wouldn’t be surprised if he gets “Routted” soon…
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Ed Reed is a future hall of famer and one of the very best to play FS. It’s not even fair to compare Huffy to Reed.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:36 am
well that settles it DMAC. I am going to have to re-locate !!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:37 am
RaiderDebo Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:34 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/goodell-will-get-nearly-20-million-per-year-by-end-of-decade/
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WTF???? And to think there are still geeks on this board complaining about the salaries of a few of our PLAYERS?? Not only should Stanford Routt be brought back, he should get a hefty “I’m sorry” raise!!
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You’re forgetting that Roger Goodell’s salary does not count against our cap…
February 13th, 2012 at 11:37 am
So what position are you applying for?
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Hmmmmm ….
Consultant????
February 13th, 2012 at 11:40 am
new D-Line Coach Terrell Williams is only 4 years older than Richard Seymour.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:40 am
We need branch around 4mil a yr, huff @ 2mil, wimbly around 6-7mil.. Seymour @ 7, bush @ 4mil.. Hendo gone..
February 13th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Gdog Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The people that think Huff is a good FS need to take a look of a replay of Ed Reed in the Ravens first playoff game.
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If you watch Reed in just about any game he’s ever played he’s better than Huff. Why not compare Reggie White to Lamar Houston while your at it.
I highly doubt Reg brings in a top dollar FA. Middle of the pack guys that are on the positive side of thirty is what I’m guessing he goes after. With just a few draft picks we won’t be cutting many more players with big contracts. Wimbley could be the next and only other casualty (aside from Eugene, Henderson type contracts)
February 13th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Huff in an interview about what his job description is at FS: “My job is to wait until the pass is completed, hopefully by the sidelines so I can push him out of bounds after they gain 35 yards. Oh, and if the play looks like it is going to one side of the field, I run as fast as I can over to that side to help out.” If it goes to the other side, my job is to smile at the cheerleaders.”
Is there ever a time since he became a Raider where a miss-direction didn’t take him completely out of the play? You don’t think OC’s have figured this out?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:41 am
You guys try that new “extra hot” Crystal hot sauce?
It’s hella good! If you guys haven’t tried it yet, your sleeping on it.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:42 am
574.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 10:04 am
The Raiders have paid Richard Seymour’s $7.5 million roster bonus, ensuring he’ll remain with the club this year.
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his salary this season should be the vet minimum and if he wants that other $7.5 million you gotta add 2 more years to the deal. and make it non-guaranteed
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Why would Seymour do that? His first $7.5 Mill is in the bank. He’ll get another $7.5 Mill in salary if the Raiders don’t cut him.
If the Raiders cut him, he’d keep the first $7.5 Mill he got…then get about another $6-$7 Mill from another team as a signing bonus on a 3-yr deal, with diminishing salaries/bonuses in the $3-to-$2 Mill range.
Seymour’s in great shape. I’m glad he’s a Raider.
BUT…it doesn’t mean Seymour’s going to stay. He could restructure his contract to make it easier to trade him. He could re-sign for slightly more money guaranteed over the long-haul. The Raiders could still decide to eat the first $7.5 Mill and just cut him…leaving the scenario I outlined above.
And…MB saying that extended contracts aren’t guaranteed is incorrect. Extended contracts — or portions thereof — are guaranteed regularly. Extending Seymour, making his salary/cap-hit more manageable is a very real possibility.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Isnt the saints fs a free agent?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:47 am
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I highly doubt Reg brings in a top dollar FA.
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There has to be SOMEONE better than Huff in free agency.
If not, we should be just blowing up the team… or trying to be like NE and just load up on offense and outscore the other teams… Huff is a bottom-tier FS.
One of the worst in the NFL. I’d bet good money he would be a backup or nickle-back somewhere if we cut him.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Seymour wants to win & retire a raider. So he’ll probably take less
February 13th, 2012 at 11:48 am
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:23 am
I’m not phuggin with a dispensary, DMac!
I’d just be willing to refer some vendors O’s way so we can all get paid!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
Now I understand why you think I should open a dispensary.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:49 am
HD37,
tough question. Do you pay a guy $15 million to play for the Raiders or $7.5 million not to?
nobody questions whether or not Seymour has talent. He plays when he wants to play. Like Mr Brown points out, he only shows up in 3 or 4 games per season. Other games he’s injured or invisable. I think you pay the man and hope that the new staff can motivate him. If not, you move on and you’re no longer on the hook for his contract or situational play next season
February 13th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Huff is a bottom-tier FS.
One of the worst in the NFL
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complete bullspit!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I really like super mario & soliai. Sacrifice the secondary and the backup rb, and lets fix the front 7.. Trade kelly redo seymour & wimbly
February 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
683.> very well thought out post. One problem, Seymour is guaranteed ALL 15 MILLION! Just skim through the post for 2 minutes and you’ll see it posted a quite a few times.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
O,
Are you going to hook up with JFB and myself in April at Temecula Creek Inn?
Well talk more then.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I think it’s funny when fans compare Michael Huff to Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins … or compare Rolando McClain to Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis
is anybody comparing Jared Veldheer to Pro Bowl or HOF LT’s yet?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am
We cant pay anybody 15 mil.. Well, unless its manning
February 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am
RR & 666,
For what it’s worth, I have complete faith in Reggie McKenzie and I think he looks like Rocky Dennis!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Would anybody like to compare Aaron Curry or Kam Wimbley to Harrison, Briggs, Suggs or DBrooks?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:56 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:52 am
I think it’s funny when fans compare Michael Huff to Ed Reed or Brian Dawkins … or compare Rolando McClain to Ray Lewis or Patrick Willis
is anybody comparing Jared Veldheer to Pro Bowl or HOF LT’s yet?
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Veldheer & Wisniewski = Upshaw & Otto!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:56 am
J,
I will try. Where do you live (if you don’t mind me asking)?
February 13th, 2012 at 11:57 am
We cant pay anybody 15 mil..
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Mark,
Seymour is probably gonna make the same amount as Palmer & DMAC combined next season and only contribute about a tenth as much!
February 13th, 2012 at 11:58 am
691. The 15 mil is guarenteed, but if you give him more yrs at a lower price, the 15 mil can be spread as bonus money for as many yrs as he plays.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:59 am
RRS — Pay $15 Mill to have the player, and not the $7.5 Mill to let him walk.
So…we’re saying Seymour was only a factor in 3 or 4 games this past year? I throw the bullsh!t flag on that. He doesn’t have to be in on every play to impact the play of the Team. His opponents know how many games he impacted last year. Without Seymour, last year’s Defense would have been worse. Believe it or not.
February 13th, 2012 at 11:59 am
I must say.
I’m a little disappointed in you J Heezy.
I thought you were ready to get some dough w/ me.
It’s all good though. Your still my Raider bother.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Inland Empire.
10 min from Ontario Mills.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
are we still paying JaWalrus?
how much DEAD MONEY did Reggie inherit from Al Davis besides all the disasterous contracts?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
I’m a little disappointed in you J Heezy.
I thought you were ready to get some dough w/ me.
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I’m ready, bruh.
LGP!!!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Test question for you DMac…..
Looking for an AZ plug.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
699 I know. He needs to redo his deal like a man with principals.. Cp3 should to. And I expect that they will
February 13th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
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is anybody comparing Jared Veldheer to Pro Bowl or HOF LT’s yet?
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No. But then why would they? He hasn’t sucked out loud for SIX STRAIGHT YEARS and had people claim he is good! If there are people that think Huff is a good FS.. they obviously then don’t have a clue what a good FS actually looks like. Ed Reed is an example.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
John Clayton from ESPN has just released the latest salary cap numbers. Raiders are pretty messed up with $11M over the cap. Hate to say this after Al D has passed but his crazy contracts will hurt us this year.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Walrus was cut during the non cap yr. We should haved cleaned slate that yr but Al was old and wantef to win now…
February 13th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
J Hill Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Test question for you DMac…..
Looking for an AZ plug.
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You’ll have to send me your email or something. Not trying expose to much.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
No sense arguing about Seymour he is staying and getting his 15 million if they would have wanted him gone they would have let him go on Friday and ate the 7.5 million.
Its not up for debate its over he is on the roster, he is in a contract year so we will get the most out of him this year and let him go to free agency next year and get a late 3rd round compensatory pick for him when he leaves.
I am more interested in seeing what kind of late round LB’s Reggie has his eye on. If Tracy Porter comes here because of his relationship with DA is what is more interesting to me at this point.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Without Seymour, last year’s Defense would have been worse. Believe it or not.
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HD37,
we said the same thing about Nnamdi Asomugha, didn’t we?
We gave up 29 TD’s when NA was here.
We gave up 31 TD’s last year with CJ37 3 starts, Chekwa 2 starts, Porter 1 start, Sheppard 7 starts & DVD 3 starts last season (opposite Stan Routt) and we won the same number of games.
throw Houston or Bryant in there at DT next to Tommy Kelly. how about John Henderson?
the results are about the same imo. I’ve seen Big Rich singled many times and not make an impact
February 13th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Carl — There is a misconception in here, and elsewhere, that giving Seymour his $7.5 Roster Bonus guarantees his salary. It does not, it’s the bonus only. He will get his salary for working the season.
If he’s not working the season for the Raiders, and his salary isn’t guaranteed (most assuredly, it’s not), Seymour will get $7.5 Mill total from the Raiders.
Seymour’s salary — as well as the Team he plays for –are still not set in concrete.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
“Seymour’s salary — as well as the Team he plays for –are still not set in concrete.”
I disagree it is now guaranteed and he is a Raider for the 2012 season if he was going anywhere that decision would have been made on Friday.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
No sense arguing about Seymour he is staying and getting his 15 million if they would have wanted him gone they would have let him go on Friday and ate the 7.5 million.
Its not up for debate its over he is on the roster, he is in a contract year so we will get the most out of him this year and let him go to free agency next year and get a late 3rd round compensatory pick for him when he leaves.
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Silver,
fair enough. I still stand by the fact that Big Rich only plays when he wants to, like Albert Haynesworth. Let’s just say I hope he wants to play for 16 games next season. I hope he shows up motivated & driven since it’s a contract year and we’re paying him $15mil. Maybe he wants to prove himself to the new GM and coaching staff? Maybe he wants to start playing like a Pro Bowler since he’s making the annual trip to Hawaii? Cross your fingers
February 13th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
the way i understand it is… he got his 7.5.. if he plays he gets another 7.5..
if he dosent play he gets no more money from us.
?? right?? wrong??
February 13th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Let’s go Dubs!
It’s time to schit on Steve Nash and the Suns 2night!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Good answer!
j.wiggle14@yahoo.com
February 13th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Seymour’s salary — as well as the Team he plays for –are still not set in concrete
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Jim Trotter (SI) made the assumption he’s not going anywhere since we paid the $7.5 million roster bonus, but he was due that much in guaranteed money from Al Davis anyway.
The other $7.5 million will be divided into 16 gamechecks, right?
not a Raider = no game checks
February 13th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
SandB — Some writers, and bloggers, have surmised that Seymour will stay with the Raiders because his ROSTER BONUS was paid by set date.
Bonus and Salary are two separate things…and his salary hasn’t started to be paid yet. The League year, OTA’s and camps haven’t even started yet.
ANYTHING can happen with Seymour still.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Sent you a email J Heezy
Save it
February 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
“Silver,
fair enough. I still stand by the fact that Big Rich only plays when he wants to, like Albert Haynesworth. Let’s just say I hope he wants to play for 16 games next season. I hope he shows up motivated & driven since it’s a contract year and we’re paying him $15mil. Maybe he wants to prove himself to the new GM and coaching staff? Maybe he wants to start playing like a Pro Bowler since he’s making the annual trip to Hawaii? Cross your fingers”
Oh I agree with you here 100% and like you said I hope he has enough pride in himself to show he is worth the money and play hard all year knowing he is in a contract year.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
NBA talk?
Go Heat !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
NBA talk?
Go Heat !!!
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I thought you were a Sixers fan?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RRS
“Jim Trotter (SI) made the assumption he’s not going anywhere since we paid the $7.5 million roster bonus, but he was due that much in guaranteed money from Al Davis anyway.
The other $7.5 million will be divided into 16 gamechecks, right?
not a Raider = no game checks”
HayesDaze37
“SandB — Some writers, and bloggers, have surmised that Seymour will stay with the Raiders because his ROSTER BONUS was paid by set date.
Bonus and Salary are two separate things…and his salary hasn’t started to be paid yet. The League year, OTA’s and camps haven’t even started yet.
ANYTHING can happen with Seymour still.”
You are both on the same page and I see exactly what you are saying. Yes its not over yet but most likely he is staying….could get interesting…
February 13th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
now that we’ve paid Big Rich the roster bonus … his salary is 1-year at $7.5 million
does he have any trade value?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I thought you were a Sixers fan?
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them too. go 76ers!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
He has trade value, but only with a restructured deal.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Who is better than the Lakers in the West?
go Thunder, Nuggets, Clippers, Spurs, Mavs & Rockets!
Memphis, Portland & Utah aren’t even that far behind the “Lake Show”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
trade Kobe to the Hornets!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
SandB — You said you were marketing your music. What is it, and who do you pitch to?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Who else is making $15 million this year?
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Mario Williams made 18.3 million last year.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
I just went to the New Orleans website and it shows a picture of Okafor missing a layup
February 13th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
HayesDaze37
my_music_666@yahoo.com
email me and I will explain everything to you.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
Mario Williams made 18.3 million last year.
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pretty good money for 5 games!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
dont play Silver’s music backwards!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
“dont play Silver’s music backwards!”
Now that is funny!
Good one!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Peace out peoples!
I’m ghost.
Go A’s! (sign Manny, lol)
Go Dubs! (beat the Suns)
Go Cal Bears! (fire Tedford)
Go Raiders! (kick back and see what happens)
February 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Mario Williams & Calais Campbell are Freaks. Both over 6′6, 290+, and can play different positions.
They are both FAs this year.
Campbell is a better fit in the 3-4 defense, and Williams is the perefect DE in a 4-3 defense.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Go DMAC! (just stay healthy)
February 13th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Play it backwards and it’ll be clean and wholesome!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Matt ShoNasty & Lamarr Houston are freaks too
February 13th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
HayesDaze37
Are you a musician?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
SandB, I’ll email you this eve…on the road now.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
Len “steal my sunshine”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
Sugar Ray “fly”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
New Radicals “You Get What You Give”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
The Verve Pipe “The Freshmen”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
SandB — Don’t want to give away too much in here. I’m just a guy who knows a lot of people who know a lot of people, and I’m interested to hear what you do.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
Jamiroquai “Virtual Insanity”
February 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
749.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
play Silver’s music backwards =
The Verve Pipe “The Freshmen”
LOL, hey, that was a good song…
February 13th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
HayesDaze37
When I get your email I will explain what I am doing and show you some things that you can do as well.
I do not have a problem sharing information with other musicians help each other out.
I have been doing this for a long time.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
709.kokomo Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
John Clayton from ESPN has just released the latest salary cap numbers. Raiders are pretty messed up with $11M over the cap. Hate to say this after Al D has passed but his crazy contracts will hurt us this year.
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Only $11 Mill? schit, last year it was reported we were $40 Mill over the cap, $11 Mil ain’t schit.
Even after Jer already posted that the cap won’t be a problem, everybody seems to still think it is a problem. Same schit different year, Im not worried one bit about the fking cap. Reggie will be able to sign who he wants just like Al always did. Theres ways to work the cap,
February 13th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Apparently Seymour and the Raiders executed a 2 yr contract extension Feb. 16, 2011. Seymour supposedly made $15M base salary in 2011, and in 2012 will receive a $7.5M roster bonus (paid by the Raiders last week) and will receive another $7.5M in base salary for playing in 2012. Supposedly, Seymour is guaranteed $22.5M.
The articles I read all gave differing versions of the “contract extension”: what I stated above is a distillation of all the articles.
I would have to read the actual contract to know exact details.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
HD37 = Ice Cube?
always knew you were a Raider fan!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The $15 Mill for 2011 + $7.5 Mill Bonus = $22.5 M Guaranteed.
The last $7.5 Mill is this year’s salary.
Seymour is very much still in play.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ha, RRS — Ice yes, Cube no.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Even after Jer already posted that the cap won’t be a problem, everybody seems to still think it is a problem. Same schit different year, Im not worried one bit about the fking cap. Reggie will be able to sign who he wants just like Al always did. Theres ways to work the cap,
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The salary cap is one of the shadiest of accounting practices in football. Its just another aspect to keep fans entertained/ focused on football during down time. In reality there are so many ways to manipulate the cap that it is never really a concern. Truthfully, the Raiders only being 11mil over right is the best I have EVER seen this team at this point in the season. I would guess we probably have around 30 million to invest in free agents if we really wanted!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
SandB — Yes, musicians help each other all the time…more important now than ever, too.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
The $15 Mill for 2011 + $7.5 Mill Bonus = $22.5 M Guaranteed.
The last $7.5 Mill is this year’s salary.
Seymour is very much still in play.
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Actually, it’s $7.5 Million Bonus + $7.5 Salary = $15 million guaranteed.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Who said this year’s salary is guaranteed?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Another coach. I think.
Posted by Mike Florio on February 13, 2012, 1:34 PM EST
Two weeks after officially being introduced as the new coach of the Raiders, Dennis Allen continues to add coaches to his staff.
The latest comes from Texas A&M. According to Mark Passwaters of Rivals.com, Aggies defensive line coach Terrell Williams has taken the same job in Oakland. Williams, 37, previously was the lone holdover from Mike Sherman’s staff.
Allen, coincidentally, played college football at Texas A&M. Williams had worked for the Aggies for two seasons.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
“SandB — Yes, musicians help each other all the time…more important now than ever, too.”
I will give you all the details when I get your email and a link to the web site where you can listen to the music.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Who said this year’s salary is guaranteed?
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PFT and a bunch of other sources. As of last Friday, the whole $15 mil became guaranteed.
Mind you, we were already on the hook for 1/2 of that anyway, so it was pay $7 1/2 mil to lose him or pay $15 mil to keep him.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Anybody remember the good old days when Corkran would actually update the blog when a new coach was hired?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Matt and Houston are young and talented, but they are not in the same level as guys like Mario and Calais who get double digit sacks, and teams have to try to contain the entire game. T Scott had 5 & 7 sacks in 2 seasons before he had his injury, so let’s not get too excited, and pass on proven guys hoping our young talent can develops into elite players.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
His salary isn’t guaranteed until he plays for the Raiders this season. They can cut him and lose their $7.5 Mill Bonus…and he’d be free to get paid somewhere else.
His $22.5 Mill guaranteed monies have already been paid.
February 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Ice T?!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Where is Coco?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Gotta run…good luck with all the math.
RELOADING…not rebuilding!
SandB, I’ll email you later.
Later
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
February 13th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Anybody remember the good old days when Corkran would actually update the blog when a new coach was hired?
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LOL @ Duck!
Steve Corkran = not a Terrell Williams fan?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
So with the hire of this DLine coach is the coaching staff pretty much filled out?
February 13th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“So with the hire of this DLine coach is the coaching staff pretty much filled out?”
I think we are still missing a DB coach and LB coach…let me check…..
February 13th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
768.HayesDaze37 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
His salary isn’t guaranteed until he plays for the Raiders this season. They can cut him and lose their $7.5 Mill Bonus…and he’d be free to get paid somewhere else.
His $22.5 Mill guaranteed monies have already been paid.
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Not true, it was reported saturday night that the $15 mil is all guaranteed
February 13th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
I think the question should be is if the Raiders cut Seymour to save 7.5 million, who could they have brought in comparable for 7.5 million? When Seymour is healthy, he (IS) as good as anybody in the league (He was having defensive MVP buzz before he hurt his knee this past season). And none of us can view his value in the locker room. I don’t know if you can replace that for 7.5 mill… if so, I’d like to see the players listed…
February 13th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
His salary isn’t guaranteed until he plays for the Raiders this season. They can cut him and lose their $7.5 Mill Bonus…and he’d be free to get paid somewhere else.
His $22.5 Mill guaranteed monies have already been paid.
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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/12/richard-seymour-isnt-going-anywhere/
“Jim Trotter of Sports Illustrated points out that Seymour’s $15 million salary in 2012 became fully guaranteed a few days ago. The Raiders could have cut him to avoid half of the salary.”
February 13th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
“So with the hire of this DLine coach is the coaching staff pretty much filled out?”
I think we are still missing a DB coach and LB coach…let me check…..
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We hired Lynn for the DBs, but scuttlebutt says we’re hiring one more DB guy, plus I’d expect either the LB or DL coach (or both) to have a full-time assistant.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
Terrelle Pryor will improve with Knapp and Saunders. I can’t wait for that kid to improve his throwing motion.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Ice Cube has been at the O many times! Very known Raider fan!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
O,
thanks for your support.
Sincerely,
RRS
President of the TP fanclub
February 13th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Thanks RaiderDuck!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Why do we want to deal with a QB who needs to learn how to throw?
February 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Why do we want to deal with a QB who needs to learn how to throw?
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Jhill,
you’re a film junkie. why don’t you go back and watch some Terrelle Pryor clips on YouTube?
this kid is a legit talent. Why do you insist on having Jason Campbell return as #2 and pay him $4 million to hold a clipboard? Palmer is going to start 16 games regardless of who is behind him on the depth chart
February 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d826e9c74/article/exit-interview-raiders-must-address-woeful-d-injury-issues?module=HP11_content_stream
February 13th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
J Hill #783
Good point, Hill, lol.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
641.Albert Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:09 am
BREAKING NEWS:
Tyvon Branch does not have a date for Valentines Day.
tyvonbranch Tyvon Branch
All my boys getting married and having kids and stuff and I can’t even find a valentine smh… I got to get my life right
23 minutes ago Favorite Retweet Reply
^^^^^^^^
Not enough groupies out there huh?
February 13th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
J,
Most College QBs have to work on their throwing motion, so he is not a special case.
To answer your question, the reason I want us to develop him is he has all the talent you can ask for in a QB & more. He can throw (strong arm), he can run, and he can catch. J Locker needed to work on his throwing motion and he was drafted in the first round.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Since Seymour Butts is staying, than I think Kelly is gone and we will see more playing time for Houston and Bryant on the inside.
Raiders will probably draft a NT or sign a mid tier free agent NT.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Why do you insist on having Jason Campbell return as #2 and pay him $4 million to hold a clipboard?
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Insurance.
Boller was so bad as a backup last year that I would pay a few extra dollars to keep someone MUCH better.
And Boller is better than Pryor right now, right?
Pryor MIGHT be ready in a couple years IF he learns how to use the correct throwing motion?????
YouTube highlights????
Where can I watch actaul entire games of this guy playing against good talent? I’d be willing to check him out sometime this offseason.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I been hearin a lot of talk about PM’s neck injury and could it withstand a season of beatin. Just do not see him as a viable option, to anyone for that matter. Maybe as a #3 and a teacher but seriously, one or two blows, who’d want to be the guy to paralyze him. Peyton has a ring and a SBMVP and prolly a decent career in coaching. So please, no talk of PM in here. Besides, we got CP3 and we are going to be just fine. New HC, new GM, new owner, new DC. Just win baby!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
767.Raider O Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
Matt and Houston are young and talented, but they are not in the same level as guys like Mario and Calais who get double digit sacks, and teams have to try to contain the entire game. T Scott had 5 & 7 sacks in 2 seasons before he had his injury, so let’s not get too excited, and pass on proven guys hoping our young talent can develops into elite players.
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Raiders should keep Jarvis Moss. If they decide to let Wimbley go, then Moss can take that RDE spot. He is freak athlete at 6′7 and he can still play IMO.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RR,
I suggest you improve your marketing skills, or we (the board of directors) will be forced to replace you.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Boller is better than Pryor right now, right?
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LOL!
says who ???
February 13th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I don’t really care about Jake Locker, O.
I’ve never seen the guy play. I’ve admitted that. Several posters on here say they’ve watched ALL of his televised games and they question his throwing ability.
I hated the idea o us possibly drafting Vince Young when he came out, just to give you a little perspective. Was against Mike Vick when he was a FA. Would love a Warren Moon or Doug Williams type, for added perspective.
I’d rather go with a guy who can sit in the pocket and make all the throws. Doesn’t have to be particularly athletic.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
I have seen Terrel Pryor clips where he completes pass after pass traveling through the air, of at least 50 to 60 yards. He seemed impressive to me. I am not really sure why Corky claims again and again Pryor lacks skills to become and NFL QB.
Corky’s predictions sometimes are grossly incorrect, i.e. last game of the season Raiders v San Diego.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Sooner get vince evens out of the retirement home then have boller as our back up !!!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Funny story to share with the blog….
Last weekend, I met a guy at the pool in our complex. He looked like a pro athlete and sure enough he did some stints in the NFL as a db. He is now training kids to run track. Told me his 40 time was 4.31 coming out of college. I asked him why didnt his agent get in touch with the Raiders.
His answer: I actually was on the practice squad with the Raiders in that 2002 SB….LMFAO….true story I swear.
Footnote: He said Barret Robbins was actually ready to play in the SB with some IV but Callahan insisted on benching him for violating team rules.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Footnote: He said Barret Robbins was actually ready to play in the SB with some IV but Callahan insisted on benching him for violating team rules.
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Really ….
I wonder what the folks who say McClain should have been benched against Miami would have to say about that?
Hit his paycheck!
Don’t penalize the team and fans by playing backups on Sundays!!!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
I think Terrel Pryor maybe a good option in relief of CP. He will have had almost a whole year with the team and unlike last year, he would have had a whole offseason to work.
Aaron Rodgers has done well sitting and learning from Favre, why not Terrel?
LMOA that Boller is a better option.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
At least Pryor could add another wrinkle to the offense if he releives a guy like Palmer, i.e. his running ability.
What does Boller bring to the table?
February 13th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Ha, RRS — Ice yes, Cube no.
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Vanilla Ice?
February 13th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Where can I watch actual entire games of this guy playing against good talent? I’d be willing to check him out sometime this offseason.
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#1 fan (Raider O) should have an answer for this
or
#1 TP hater (Alex7) would be my next bet
February 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
What does Boller bring to the table?
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NOTHING!
Yet Pryor couldn’t leap frog him on the depth chart.
Boller was so bad, then team traded a king’s ransom instead of just letting him hand the ball off for 6 weeks.
When they traded for another guy, they still kept Boller ahead of Pryor.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Don’t penalize the team and fans by playing backups on Sundays!!!!!
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Jhill,
#55 starting = playing a backup on Sunday
February 13th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
HayesDaze=Vanilla Ice ????
whooo hooo we gots a real life celebrity !!!!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Q: What does Boller bring to the table?
A: NOTHING!
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Jhill = the guy who said we’ll be fine with Kyle Boller as starting QB (after Campbell’s injury against Cleveland)
February 13th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
RaiderDebo Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 11:34 am
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/13/goodell-will-get-nearly-20-million-per-year-by-end-of-decade/
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WTF???? And to think there are still geeks on this board complaining about the salaries of a few of our PLAYERS?? Not only should Stanford Routt be brought back, he should get a hefty “I’m sorry” raise!!
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Yeah! We should pay him by each penalty he makes!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
788-tell the truth.The reason you want the Raiders to develop Pryor is he is from OSU.If he was from Michigan you’d have wanted him cut yesterday.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Welcome Terrell Williams
February 13th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I’m not sure if Carolina has any need for Seymour or willing to trade for him, but i’m sure Rich would be down to restructure to be closer to home with a trade to the Panthers.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
What does Boller bring to the table?
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DMac was still healthy and so were our WRs.
Boy, was I wrong though.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
What does Boller bring to the table?
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NOTHING!
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LOL!!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Jhill = the guy who said we’ll be fine with Kyle Boller as starting QB (after Campbell’s injury against Cleveland)
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DMac was still healthy and so were our WRs.
Boy, was I wrong though.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I’m not sure if Carolina has any need for Seymour or willing to trade for him, but i’m sure Rich would be down to restructure to be closer to home with a trade to the Panthers.
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good call, DV.
trade Dick Seymour to the Panthers for a 3rd or 4th rounder!
February 13th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
You weren’t alone J Hill.I was right there with you.
February 13th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
“#55 starting = playing a backup on Sunday”
LMAO at that one!
February 13th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Last off-season many said to let Nnamdi go,we wouldn’t miss him.Well,we did miss him.Now those same GMs want to trade Seymour.You can’t get better as a team when you are always trading your front line players.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I wonder if Joe Linta(his agent) is going to agree to restruture Wimbley’s deal.
He put “Wimbley no one of the highest paid linebackers in the league” on his home page.
“The two highest paid players in terms of salary are Carson Palmer ($12.5 million) and outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million).”
I can’t think that a LB who can’t cover is 2nd highest paid player on the team.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
Is RR an OSU fan? He likes Pryor too.
LOL
February 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
The Oakland Raiders have hired defensive line coach Terrell Williams from Texas A&M to fill the same role under first-year coach Dennis Allen – a one-time A&M standout safety – according to an A&M insider.
Williams was the lone assistant still around from the Sherman era. A&M president R. Bowen Loftin fired Sherman on Dec. 1 following a 25-25 record over four seasons, and replaced him with Sumlin.
Last Friday, Sumlin had announced the alleged final addition to his first staff – linebackers coach Matt Wallerstedt. Now, the search will be on for a new defensive line coach following Williams’ sudden exit.
Williams, a Los Angeles native, had coached at A&M the past two seasons and was regarded as a top-notch recruiter. He’d spent from 2006-09 as Purdue’s defensive line coach. Williams was key for the 2012 signing class in the transition from Sherman to Sumlin as a familiar face to the recruits. The Aggies signed a class of 19 earlier this month ranked 15th nationally by Rivals.com.
The Aggies open their season on Aug. 30 against Louisiana Tech in Shreveport, La., and play their first Southeastern Conference game on Sept. 8 against Florida at Kyle Field.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Among the top cornerbacks available in free agency (depending on who is given the franchise tag) will be Atlanta’s Brent Grimes, Tennessee’s Cortland Finnegan and Kansas City’s Brandon Carr. A name to keep an eye on is New Orleans’ Tracy Porter, who played under new coach Dennis Allen in New Orleans.
Per ESPN
February 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Talk-I agree.Guys want to trade Seymour,cut Kelly(who,btw,was a league leader in sacks by DT),cut McClain after 2 years,yet Wimbley who is overpaid,under performs is rarely mentioned.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 13th, 2012 at 2:01 pm
I wonder if Joe Linta(his agent) is going to agree to restruture Wimbley’s deal.
He put “Wimbley no one of the highest paid linebackers in the league” on his home page.
“The two highest paid players in terms of salary are Carson Palmer ($12.5 million) and outside linebacker Kamerion Wimbley ($11 million).”
I can’t think that a LB who can’t cover is 2nd highest paid player on the team.
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Another terrible Al Davis deal …. one of the many leftover in the dirty diaper he left McKenizie.
Routt was another.
Seymour another.
Huff is another.
hmmm alll theses guys played on one of the worst defenses in the NFL last year.
I want boar hunters.
February 13th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
new post
February 13th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Keep Tommy Kelly and Seymour ….
at this point you must.
Big John has to go to save some $ over production.
Maybe Allen can get broderick bunkley form denver to come over.
Desmond Bryant solid. Shaunghessy back. Houston.
nice pieces on D-line, its the LB core that needs work. if it goes to a 3-4 it might help mcclain to work in a smaller space, same with wimbley and curry and goethel
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