Herrera wasn’t the problem
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 16th, 2012 at 9:48 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Not sure whether all the glee among fans about longtime Raiders senior executive John Herrera’s departure is amusing or sad.
It’s certainly misguided.
Herrera showed up to work every day, even through times of immense personal tragedy, and backed his boss, Al Davis. He made statements to the press when told to do so _ even when he may not of agreed with Davis. Not that he’d ever admit it. That’s the kind of loyalty Al engendered among many of his employees, for better or worse.
He had one bad moment captured by camera _ an argument with columnist Tim Kawakami when Herrera had produced a story critical of coach Lane Kiffin for media consumption. It was pure, wacky Raiders _ a team employee actually alerting media members about a story which backed the owner at the expense of a head coach on his way out.
But a moment Herrera probably regrets hardly encapsulates his time with the Raiders.
He started out of high school, with Davis only wanting to know if he had his driver’s license, so Herrera could shuttle players, coaches, whoever, to and from the airport and run errands. Herrera set up training camps in Oxnard and Napa, left alone to handle the myriad details. Davis left him in charge of the Irwindale stadium issue, with a full staff at his disposal.
He worked in almost every corner of the organization. Knew Davis well enough that the owner let him use his home in Palm Springs for vacations. He’s probably got a million stories he’ll never tell about the bad side of his boss as well, because Davis was seldom diplomatic and sometimes cruel.
Somehow, maybe it was the Kawakami video, perhaps it was the pro-Raider stances that were his job during losing years, Herrera became the lightning rod for what ailed the franchise. As if things will certainly be better now that he’s gone.
Within a fairly short period of time, Herrera worked through an agonizing time when his wife was stricken with cancer and eventually died, and had a younger brother die of a heart attack. He’s had some health issues of his own, and a little less stress in his life can’t hurt.
Herrera called it a “meeting of the minds” and described the parting as amicable. My understanding is it was a business-side decision, and not made in the football realm. Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are working feverishly on football and McKenzie has only recently begun worrying about handling the media _ one of Herrera’s duties in the past few years.
I talked to Herrera tonight, and predictably, he had nothing bad to say about the organization which encompassed almost all of his adult life.
“It’s been something I’ve been really thinking about since Al passed away last October,” Herrera said. “I had a great run. I was there 35 years, three different tours of duty. Particpated in three different Super Bowls. I had an unbelievably great relationship with the owner and his family since I was a kid in 1963.”
The common perception, because of a couple of instances, is that Herrera as perennially at war with the media and those who critcized Davis. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. Most of us understood that when he had an issue with something we said or wrote, he was carrying out orders from the top.
In fact, when Herrera’s wife passed away, media members took up a collection on his behalf and purchased gift cards for food at a local food establishment near where he lived. He had young daughters who were griveing as well, and in those times, preparing food isn’t exactly a priority.
What’s next for Herrera? Getting healthy. Watching his daughters’ sporting events. Herrera re-married four months ago, and his stepson is a pitcher in the Reds’ organization and he plans on seeing spring training.
He’ll still be attending some Raiders’ legends functions. An event for Clem Daniels. A roast for Tom Flores. There are a few opportunities in the sports business.
“I don’t have anything negative to say,” Herrera said. “I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was 14 and the AFL was formed and my family gave up 49ers tickets in 1960. I developed great friendships with players and coaches and front office people. I’m not going to be able to turn any of that off. All I can do is wish them the best.”
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February 16th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
1st
February 16th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
first!
February 16th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
You know what? He went out with class! good luck Herrera!
February 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Amy Trask is NEXT!!! LOL..
February 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
YO LOB CITY HOMIES SPARK A J AND GET LIGGITY
Whut Whut the Clip Joint is in full effect, getting ready to “Lazer the Blazers” (patent pending)
Griffin, Paul & Co getting fly on fast break basketball. Last time I was in Portland I got baked on pot brownies and got my nads polished by a horny hippy named Freedom.
Freedom to unleash my signature load! Yo, that’s just how the Beeech Dawg keeps it real
Yo Hardline check these mo fresh lyrics, word
Clip Joint rocking, Dem Blazers will fall
Lob City frontin’ with Jordan and Paul
Yo, Blake Griffin, homeboy gots to get meaner
While the Beeech Dawg get another Bj on his weiner
SIZZLE FRESH, BK BREAKFAST IN DA HOUSE
February 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
What a shame. Mr. Davis right hand faithful buddy was let go. John Herrera fought a many of battles for this organization. Herrera bled Silver and Black. What a pitty. What a pitty Rod Woodson wasn’t signed to another year….Rod wasn’t given a fair chance. Merci!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:00 pm
Trask isn’t going anywhere…
February 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Hwndr… im just kidding bro.. but it just seems that old reggie is cleaning up the joint good.. i would’nt be surprised if she said she was resigning to spend more time with her family though..lol
February 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Yo, taking a MASSIVE duece, ate some fiery buffalo wings at TGI Fridays and now they’re fighting their way out the Beeech Cave
But I was also lucky enough to drop out this lyrical tribute to Herrera
Yo Yo Yo, Herrera in the house
Not a bad dude, didn’t wear a blouse
Not great looking but not a total toad
Now let’s get back to my super huge dode
TWIZZLE UP N DEEZ NUTZ
February 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
I met John Herrera at UC Davis when we played freshman football together. We later roomed at the same place, and I remember he had a bunch of Raider player names from the backs of uniforms on his door. I’ve only read about John – as a Raider employee – since then, but I remember him as a friend way back then. I appreciate Jerry McDonald’s overview of some of John’s history since then, and I’m sorry to hear that there were some pretty hard times. I’ve been a Raider fan since 1968 and appreciate all that John Herrera did to help Mr Davis and the Raiders over the years.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
I guess Jerry read the blog and wrote up a quick story…
February 16th, 2012 at 10:03 pm
“He sure as hell wasn’t the solution either”
February 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I never had a problem with Herrera.
That being said, I believe he became a symbol of all that has been wrong with the Raiders.
A Darth Vader to Al the Emperor.
His leaving is just another indication that things are different now.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Well done, Jerry. Enjoy your retirement, John. Sounds like you were a class act and a true Raider.
On to the next fall guy, y’all.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:05 pm
Ghostraiders Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
Hwndr… im just kidding bro.. but it just seems that old reggie is cleaning up the joint good.. i would’nt be surprised if she said she was resigning to spend more time with her family though..lol
I get what you mean, considering Herrera was probably more loyal to the walls of Alameda than anyone else! But I think if Trask goes…something is seriously wrong!
And it was either Mark or Amy that severed ties with ol’ John! It was said that Reggie or Dennis had othing to do with this!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:07 pm
Sully must be doing back flips right about now.. hes probably hoping Trask gets the axe next..
February 16th, 2012 at 10:09 pm
Hwndr… B.S. ..REGGIE had everything to do with this.. Reggie thinks getting rid of all things Al Davis will give us a pass with Goodell from now on.. I wont be surprised if he tried changing our uniform colors next..
February 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
I’m almost certain Chubby Checker has no authority over Amy Trask. Sounds like this was Mark’s call and anything regarding Trask would also be on Mark. Would be even more evidence to support Silver’s column if Mark sacks her, too.
Plus being that of Mark, CC and Amy, she’s prob the only one with a triple-digit IQ I think they may need her around.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:12 pm
And you know what? The first part of this article is absolutely right! Many fans are stuck on what he was ordered to do…That Kawakami incident has put a nail in the coffin! Didn’t know about his wife passing! Glad he has moved on, and now from the only place he knew so well! Like I stated earlier, Good Luck JH! And even though I have made a crack or two, I have now taken those back!!!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Master Beeecham, 171
Somebody hijacked your screenname today, and posted twice on it, brah. Unless, that is, you are suffering from schzophrenia and multiple personality syndrome.
Just though you should know.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:14 pm
Ghost, I’m just going by what the previous article has stated! Was it really Reggie doing the “business” decision…not sure!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:15 pm
can’t help but mention the Lakers spin,
aint no question about Jeremy Lin,
boy is tweaking and is bad as sin,
hits em high, hits em low,
just where he will come from no one knows,
meanwhile Beeecham sits quite dandy,
with his crew and his girls, he getting sweet candy,
someone here came off as a fraud,
didn’t fool me cuz I’m a big dog,
Beeecham never shows in the afternoon,
he sleeping in late with his puerta Rican June,
We’ll be waitin for some lyrics describing the life,
Unless Beeecham gets stupid and finds himself a wife!
zzzuuurip, zzzuuurip, zzzurrrip…..burp
February 16th, 2012 at 10:16 pm
I bet Kawakami that ..SOB.. has a smirk on a his stupid looking face right now!!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
Maybe Herrera was around when Al Davis was drop kicking our fearless new owner around..
February 16th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
It’s appropriate that John Herrera now gets to rest. He can write his memoirs and make millions, maybe parlay into collaborating on a screenplay.
Herrera was part of the old school, but now that old school is gone.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:20 pm
God damn, where’s my tissue????
February 16th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
“The business side”
Does this mean Amy Trask made the decision, ran it by Mark, and Mark approved it, or do you think it was Mark’s idea.
The guy gave a lot of his life to man who was more than hard to work for.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
IMO, Kawakami over thinks in his writing, especially about the Raiders. Kawakami is okay but not great. Maybe he deserved to get biootch slapped by Herrera, for a nonsence theory he was attempting to put over.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
Yo yo Hardline that was some mo fresh rappin’. Especially liked the parts about gettin’ wizzle with dem fly fresh shorties
I don’t know who hijacked my handled but it ain’t nothing but a thang.
Fools be perpetratin’. But you know what Puff says about stealin’ game – I don’t remember what he said, but let me know if you do.
The Clitty Clips just wrapped it up
Now time to get stoney, them ladies said whut?
Gettin’ dolled up cause its time to dance
The Beeech Dawg will unleash the snake in his pants
FIZZLE
February 16th, 2012 at 10:23 pm
I guess Herrera knew this would happen.. honestly what would McKenzie keep Herrera around for.??? The guy will probably end up as a bouncer in some gay club in San Fancisco..
February 16th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Herrera was a friend to the organization, maybe one of the greatest friends in Raider history.
I have no idea why so many people absolutely hated Herrera, and I hope Jerry’s Pulitzer effort in the above, changes their tune a little.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I keep wondering who will write what is called, rightly or wrongly, the “definitive biography” of Al Davis.
Surely someone right now is collecting Al stories and has sold the rights to a publisher. I wonder, I really do, how many former players who were close to Al, will now offer any negatives about him, how many in the sports world will do so too.
It’s inevitable.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:31 pm
If they make a movie about Al Davis.. Christopher Walken better play Al Davis.. He would be perfect!!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:34 pm
Jerry,
This piece is not objective journalism. You are simply praising and defending a friend without any attempt to add credibility to your story from any viable sources. Competence and not Loyalty should not be the reason anyone on this team should cash a pay check.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:35 pm
I meant to say:
Jerry,
This piece is not objective journalism. You are simply praising and defending a friend without any attempt to add credibility to your story from any viable sources. Competence and not Loyalty SHOULD be the reason anyone on this team should cash a pay check.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
You guys are crazy, why don’t you tell us how you really feel? You can add your feelings about the receptionist and as well as the HR dept.
Get a life!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:41 pm
Herrera but bandages on Al’s face.
Adios, who cares, this is a New Era.
If Wimbley doesn’t take a pay cut, adios. No way he stays unless he realizes he is overpaid, big time!
We also do not need to pay Michael Bush 7 million dollars.
We do not need to spend alot of money at that position.
Carson “should” take a small pay cut, but I don’t think that is going to happen.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
luvmarvhub, #32
I am sure the players signed with a confidentialty clause present in their contract. Don’t expect a lot revealed by them.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
Jerry, this has to be your most disgusting fence rider piece ever. My goodness. This is the same John Herrera who embarrassed the franchise by picking a fight with a reporter right in front of live cameras. You know how many coaching candidates looked at their wives while watching the highlights of that fiasco on sportscenter and said, “Honey, remind me to NEVER take a job in Oakland”? Come on, Jerry. I’m sorry you lost a connection. Just because you’re good at playing the game and knew how to work John Herrera doesn’t mean McKenzie keeping him around is the right decision. That jerk had to go.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:47 pm
Priesttj, # 36,
Herrera was an icon with the Raiders and known by all fans. It’s difficult to leave him out of this whole passion play of a transition toward dynasty.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:49 pm
F’n A, man.
one down, one to go. Amy, if you’re not punching up your resume` right now, you might want to get started. Reggie’s taking a head count of the potential sabotage artists still on ship that might be bitter about the new management, and showing them the plank.
February 16th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
“I would like to see Herrera punch Kawakami in the face now!”
I would pay a months salary to see it!
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WHAT!!?
Don’t go wasting Money I worked hard for!
February 16th, 2012 at 10:53 pm
Sullivan44,
Could be Reggie is purging the ranks. BTW, a poster today claimed you were banned from the blog, for utter and complete disrespect of AD, staff and players.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
It’s a great night to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Funny…the trolls Hardline and Beeechboredumb trying to out-do each other in a rhyming contest…and neither of them have any rhythm, to boot.
It’d be freakin’ hilarious if it weren’t so 8th-grade. What…are you in an episode of Glee? Or, in Beeechboredumb’s case, an episode of Fame? You’re both embarrassments to football fandom.
Hey, Hardline…why do you keep denying you’re a racist?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Herrera could probably have the last laugh. If they are paying the gal, who was arrested in Italy for her roommates murder & then released,$4M for a book deal, then they can certainly pay Herrera a butt-load for a book about the real Al Davis. It would be a best seller – easily worth $5M. For that, Herrera would be pretty well set in retirement. Who would be laughing then?
February 16th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
Herrera was an icon with the Raiders and known by all fans. It’s difficult to leave him out of this whole passion play of a transition toward dynasty.////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////////Damn near poetry there, Hardline. Well said.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
You know it hampers your ability to be taken seriously when giving your many opinions…
February 16th, 2012 at 11:14 pm
HEY! Has PriestTJ really returned? Welcome back. I’d say that you were generally missed.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
Classy article, Jerry. And to answer your question, the glee exhibited by some of these so-called fans is sad. Herrera merely did his job.
This was a business decision. Herrera was Al’s main assistant. With his death, his services are no longer needed.
If any of you think we’re better or worse for this, you’re fooling yourselves.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Welcome back, BHP. Don’t let the trolls do you in again…keep the Tums handy.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
I had numerous interactions with Herrera as a young man with the Raiders in L.A. He was no smooth operator, but he was all Raiders, all the time. He defended the Shield the best way he knew how. He has had a pretty impressive career, and not many of us get to do exactly what we want in our own careers. Al was lucky to have him…
…but I’m still glad Herrera will no longer be the voice of the Organization in Al’s absence. I never thought he should’ve been, ever.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
From a fan’s perspective, Herrera represented all that was wrong with the Raiders during the last ten years. Paranoid, secretive, overly defensive and down right nasty in the same manner Davis would be if he were in better health. The Kawakami incident comes to mind but the handling of Gannon situation reinforced the bizarro image in which the organization operated. And all that might have been if o.k. as long as the team won. The fact that they didn’t probably made things appear worse than they actually were. Interesting to hear JMac’s take on the man but the perception remains the same… Herrera had to go.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
I’ll give you Gannon. That was uncalled for. But again, he was just following orders. If he had refused, Al would have found someone else to do it.
As for Kawakami, that jerk had it coming. The guy’s a D-bag.
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
Here here Jerry. Good show
February 16th, 2012 at 11:30 pm
53. word
February 16th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
F’in Ricochet on a tear. What an A hole
February 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
The reaction to Herrera leaving is ridiculous.
Do you guys even know what a PR person’s job is? He communicates an organization’s message on behalf of the people who run the organization.
The lies? The antagonism? If you have a problem with those things, blame Al Davis. Herrera was just doing his job, even if his job seemed pointless and petty to most Raider fans. If not him, it would have been some other PR professional – someone whose job description requires them to be the mouthpiece of the organization.
I’m as glad as the next fan that the Raiders are moving into a new era. It was long overdue. But I’m not about to target my frustrations at a single employee. It’s not like Herrera was making any of the decisions that led to a decade of futility on the field.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:14 am
I don’t know why JMAC (who has long been critical of the Raiders media relations strategies) would bother wasting any time defending Herrera.
True…Herrera wasn’t the ACTUAL problem with the Raiders but he certainly was a glaring symbol of the problem. The guy was the ultimate Davis “scholarship” employee…and that’s been the problem with the Raiders for a long time: scholarship players, scholarship assist coaches, and scholarship employees.
All these ex players and loyalists kept around even though they weren’t the best at their jobs. Herrera was the media relations guy and it really seemed like he had NO IDEA how to relate to the media. The whole organization hasn’t known how to deal with the media for as long as I can remember. So yes, I loudly cheer the exit of Herrera, and the old dysfunctional era with him. Good riddance. Bring on the new! Go Raiders!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:16 am
D-Line!!
Bring me Soliai or Red Forman, um, I mean Red Bryant!!
Either could be had for a reasonable price, and would instantly transform the makeup of our D.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Herrera maybe wasn’t “the problem” but he sure as hell worsened it. His handling of things lacked any tack at all. Like the Gannon handling, and so on. I never saw him spin something in a positive light or use PR to better the image of the Raiders (which was his job). Thus, I think he was a poor representative of the organization.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Mario Williams = Too high a price. Plus, I want the beef in the middle, with the hammers coming from the edges.
Awesome player, would LOVE to have Mario…but didn’t we just have too many eggs in one basket with Nnamdi, and then again with Routt?
I know the reality is that stars get paid bigger money…but, there are bargains out there, and other priorities for us than Mario Williams.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:23 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
The reaction to Herrera leaving is ridiculous.
Do you guys even know what a PR person’s job is? He communicates an organization’s message on behalf of the people who run the organization.
The lies? The antagonism? If you have a problem with those things, blame Al Davis. Herrera was just doing his job, even if his job seemed pointless and petty to most Raider fans. If not him, it would have been some other PR professional – someone whose job description requires them to be the mouthpiece of the organization.
I’m as glad as the next fan that the Raiders are moving into a new era. It was long overdue. But I’m not about to target my frustrations at a single employee. It’s not like Herrera was making any of the decisions that led to a decade of futility on the field.
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No, a PR’s job is to communicate things as the “mouthpiece” of the organization in such a way that it will hit a reality or communicate in an acceptable way. IF (and big if) it was Davis saying what was being said about Gannon, Herrera easily could communicate publicly that he didn’t agree with the pointed criticism from Gannon. Not public attack the guy, say how he was never anything and was the worst QB in Superbowl history. That’s just not benefitting anyone.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:34 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:49 pm
The reaction to Herrera leaving is ridiculous.
Do you guys even know what a PR person’s job is? He communicates an organization’s message on behalf of the people who run the organization.
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Young Am, that’s only half the job of a PR professional…the other half is to create and maintain productive relationships with members of the media in order to utilize their media outlets in an effort to influence public opinion in a positive way. Herrera didn’t seem to be good at that part.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:37 am
Gannon wasn’t really warm & cozy with the Raiders as a whole, even when he was helping push the team into shape.
Gannon’s teammates admired and respected him…but he wasn’t exactly Mister Warmth. And, what he said when he left here was incendiary, literally…very self-serving. A real team player (he preached that stuff, you know) would’ve found a way to say and do things differently.
Herrera should’ve never resorted to ANY back-n-forth with the likes of Gannon, Sapp, or anyone else. He wasn’t cut-out for that kind of exposed PR-warfare, and it made the Team news what it didn’t need to be sometimes.
Different relationships now, with different principal players. Glad to see a new generation, and hope they keep things as smooth as they’ve seemed so far. Glad McKenzie has introduced himself formally, and now informally, to the Press.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 am
raiderzmaverick Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 am
Herrera maybe wasn’t “the problem” but he sure as hell worsened it. His handling of things lacked any tack at all. Like the Gannon handling, and so on. I never saw him spin something in a positive light or use PR to better the image of the Raiders (which was his job). Thus, I think he was a poor representative of the organization.
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Exactly!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 am
Why then did the media do what they did for him when his wife passed away?Priest was correct-some of you need to get a life.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 am
Herrera’s biggest fault was he was clumsy in his handling of PR matters at times. He worked his arse off for Al and the Raiders. Hope he enjoys retirement. Or whatever.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 am
Maybe with all this change happening…some of this year’s training camp practices will be open to the public! What do you think JMAC?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:30 am
13.wasbanned Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
I never had a problem with Herrera.
That being said, I believe he became a symbol of all that has been wrong with the Raiders.
A Darth Vader to Al the Emperor.
His leaving is just another indication that things are different now.
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Said it better than I ever could.Enjoy your retirement.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:45 am
ghostraiders Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Amy Trask is NEXT!!! LOL..
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Amy probably pulled the trigger.. So she isnt going anywhere!
This is great news, a total shakeup, is what we’ve needed for a decade, now its coming..
I never liked Harrera, but no doubt he was a raider fan, and always will be. I just dont hope the freedom he got now will kill him.. you often see someone that worked all their life with something they loved, die because they dont know what to do next..
Harrera, have a nice retirement! enjoy it, you sure as he11 deserved it!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 am
I’m Popeye the Sailor Man
I live out of a garbage can,
I BBQ rats and …………….
oh what the hey, this ain’t goin nowhere. Just had my bottle of whiskey run dry, now what is I to do? Can’t drink fermented spinach anymore cause it makes me sick. Well, I’ll go see if Olive Oil is still awake and maybe she might like to rock my world.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:58 am
Herrera wasn’t the problem
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Hell no he wasn’t. Agree 100%. It was Chuck B and that dreadful D. That was the problem. A football team with out defense. It got Hue fired.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 am
Hey Jerry: That was a well done article.
It had an effect too.
You read the last post and then you read this one and some of the the same morons who were slamming Herrera yesterday changed their minds today.
I came on here two years ago and defended Herrera because all he ever did was support Al Davis and speak up for the Raiders.
Some of the derogatory comments made on this blog-led by the jackazz MR-never made any sense.
Herrera was a life-long member of the Nation who never did anything but fight for it and stay loyal.
You didn’t like his style?
Fuk you.
Al Davis liked it.
It’s time to move on but Herrera rates recognition for his service.
I reckon Al Davis would think so.
Thanks John.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:53 am
Morning England,morning LMN.
Hvordan gar det?
Is that right?Been watching the first series of Forbrydelsen.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:08 am
neil b..
everythings allright, im starting to get used to only being on day shifts, though i loved the extra dough and the ability to ‘flex-out’ whenever i wanted to.. lets see if im lucky to get night shift when NFL season starts up again =) LOL
yup thats right, well, you need a å in ‘går’ but since you dont have a danish keyboard you could you the old å which was just 2 a’s as in ‘gaar’
Hvordan går/gaar det?
but I guess its all greek to you, oh well danish =) LOL
have a nice weekend to you all!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:37 am
Hey Neil, LMN.
I think the answer to that question is jeg er fint?
And so are the Raiders.
Anyone know what happened to 4Eva?
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 am
LMN….You’ve only got dayshift now? You fricking lucky man!!
England….I haven’t seen 4eva on this site for a very long time.Hope he’s doing okay.
Have a great weekend to both of you and to the AM crew.Coffee (and tip)on me today.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:43 am
Nice article Jerry.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Good Morning Nation!!!
WOW! Neil, England, LMN…Good Afternoon fellas!
February 17th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Morning Nation!!!
Both 408 and I had 4eva’s e-mail, and he hasn’t responded to any emails in awhile and I believe his email has been hacked.
I get tons of spam from him.
John-John, I miss you already buddy!!! I would have liked to see him be part of the new era, but Herrera probably didn’t have many years left in the tank.
Enjoy your new wife and your new life Mr. Herrera, and I’m sure we will still see you around.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:57 am
Got nothing bad to say about being loyal to a boss. But you do need to balance that loyalty with personal discretion in the face of media attacks. If you side 100% of the time with your boss, you get a rep as a lackey. That goes in any business. And you can’t respect someone who always agrees with you. Herrera never had AD’s respect and that’s probably all Herrera ever wanted from him. He was a sellout who never earned his stripes other than be the bosses pet. He made a good living and probably will enjoy a great retirement, but sing no songs of praise for Mr. Herrera. His kind have gone the way of the dodo bird. The time for crony yes-men is buried with the old school.
I don’t care how much anyone wants to wax rhapsodic about Al Davis’s minions and the good ole days of totalitarian regime. Better days are ahead, and mouthpieces that serve up corporate propaganda are not needed anymore. This is a FUNCTIONAL organization fellas. Get used to it.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:04 am
The Raiders signed cornerback Brandon Underwood on Thursday.
Underwood, 25, appeared in 23 games for the Packers in 2009 and 2010. He was released last September soon after his arrest for a physical altercation with his wife. He later pleaded no contest to a reduced charge.
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What do we know about this guy as a football player?
Does he have “Raider speed” ???
February 17th, 2012 at 6:04 am
The only people who should actually hold disdain for Herrera, is the local media he constantly was in battle with.
AFter reading this article, it sounds like a lot of that was all a show to appease his boss, and behind the scenes the local scribes liked and got along well with John.
And many fans applauded “Al’s way” if you will, and trashed all the Rich Gannon’s of the world on here, so why are they hating on John who just had a mic in front of him?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:07 am
What do we know about this guy as a football player?
Does he have “Raider speed” ???
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I don’t think AD would have taken on a scrub miscreant like this guy. I was hoping RM would make a splash with his first FA signing. This guy doesn’t add anything to our team other than a camp body. I don’t get it.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:07 am
the Raiders have signed Brandon Underwood, a defensive back who last played for the Green Bay Packers. He was a sixth-round draft pick by Green Bay in 2009, where McKenzie worked in the personnel department.
Underwood’s time with the Packers was marred by off-the-field issues, with two arrests in domestic disputes. He played in 23 games in two years, mostly on special teams.
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Can I get his 40 time please !?!?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:08 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Willie Brown, a longtime Raiders employee who has been in charge of “squad development’’ and has assisted coaches, will remain with the team, but his role is being “redefined”
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great news!
old man Willie got the same treatment as Al Saunders
February 17th, 2012 at 6:09 am
Why the cloak and dagger with the media? Why the subterfuge? What good did any of that staged “Al against the world” show do anyone? Please explain that if it’s possible, cuz it’s confusing as fk to me.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:10 am
It’s not free agency yet, so their isn’t going to be any “splashy” signings, except for guys who have already been waived (Routt, Haynesworth) and guys that were out of the league last year (Underwood).
February 17th, 2012 at 6:10 am
old man Willie got the same treatment as Al Saunders
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R E S P E C T
February 17th, 2012 at 6:13 am
I agree that it was counterproductive, but Herrera was carrying out Al’s orders. If he balked, Al would have hired someone else to do the same thing Herrera did.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:14 am
the decision was made on the business side of the Oakland operation, and not by general manager Reggie McKenzie or coach Dennis Allen.
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Mark Davis isn’t his dad. He may not be a “football guy” , but he’s not an idiot either
he personally kicked Hue Jackson & John Herrera to the curb, as well as hired a GM recommended by Ron Wolf and interviewed by John Madden!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:15 am
Not sure whether all the glee among fans about longtime Raiders senior executive John Herrera’s departure is amusing or sad.
-Jerry Mac
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LOL!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:19 am
I dunno man. I prob never see a paycheck like Herrera’s. And I’m ok with that. But if given the choice, (and I don’t care if it’s 7 figure salary), no way would I sell my personal dignity to kiss my bosses ###, especially one that chuckled when humilitating his staff. Yeah, I’m just a poor schlub. But there ain’t no amount of money…
Having said all that, I’m thankful to Mr. Davis for the unique style he brought to the NFL. We all can’t be mother teresa’s. It takes all kinds.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Herrera called it a “meeting of the minds” and described the parting as amicable. My understanding is it was a business-side decision, and not made in the football realm. Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are working feverishly on football and McKenzie has only recently begun worrying about handling the media _ one of Herrera’s duties in the past few years.
I talked to Herrera tonight, and predictably, he had nothing bad to say about the organization which encompassed almost all of his adult life.
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JH = all class
February 17th, 2012 at 6:20 am
I think the “splashy” signings will come as soon as Reggie gets under the cap!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:22 am
Mark Davis isn’t his dad. He may not be a “football guy” , but he’s not an idiot either
he personally kicked Hue Jackson & John Herrera to the curb, as well as hired a GM recommended by Ron Wolf and interviewed by John Madden!
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Well also consider he hired RM after one 6 hr interview and no other interviews. Leap of faith, and a move that signaled, “I dunno what I’m doing, I need help. If Wolf and Madden say your aces, then your my man”.
On the surface, it looks like either MD found his man, or didn’t have the patience/stomach for a long, exhaustive GM search.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:23 am
“It’s been something I’ve been really thinking about since Al passed away last October,” Herrera said. “I had a great run. I was there 35 years, three different tours of duty. Particpated in three different Super Bowls. I had an unbelievably great relationship with the owner and his family since I was a kid in 1963.”
The common perception, because of a couple of instances, is that Herrera as perennially at war with the media and those who critcized Davis. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. Most of us understood that when he had an issue with something we said or wrote, he was carrying out orders from the top.
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good luck Mr. Herrera!
wish you the best, sir
February 17th, 2012 at 6:23 am
95.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:20 am
Herrera called it a “meeting of the minds” and described the parting as amicable. My understanding is it was a business-side decision, and not made in the football realm. Reggie McKenzie and Dennis Allen are working feverishly on football and McKenzie has only recently begun worrying about handling the media _ one of Herrera’s duties in the past few years.
I talked to Herrera tonight, and predictably, he had nothing bad to say about the organization which encompassed almost all of his adult life.
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JH = all class
After reading the article last night, I’m glad that he did go out with class…what else can he do? He would not have been able to rip the organization after being a loyal dog to it for so long! He will always be a part of the org, its a new era! Moving on is what Mark wants to do!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:24 am
EVER MEET THE MAN PERSONALLY ROCKSTAR ?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:25 am
What’s next for Herrera? Getting healthy. Watching his daughters’ sporting events. Herrera re-married four months ago, and his stepson is a pitcher in the Reds’ organization and he plans on seeing spring training.
He’ll still be attending some Raiders’ legends functions. An event for Clem Daniels. A roast for Tom Flores. There are a few opportunities in the sports business.
“I don’t have anything negative to say,” Herrera said. “I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was 14 and the AFL was formed and my family gave up 49ers tickets in 1960. I developed great friendships with players and coaches and front office people. I’m not going to be able to turn any of that off. All I can do is wish them the best.”
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Maybe John Herrera can be a GM again someday in the CFL, UFL or IFL ???
February 17th, 2012 at 6:26 am
I don’t think AD would have taken on a scrub miscreant like this guy. I was hoping RM would make a splash with his first FA signing. This guy doesn’t add anything to our team other than a camp body. I don’t get it.
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Free agency isn’t open yet. Reggie brought in a guy he was familiar with to be a camp body, possibly a special teamer. I have a feeling if you are waiting for a ‘big splash’ in free agency you will be waiting awhile.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:26 am
100.DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:24 am
EVER MEET THE MAN PERSONALLY ROCKSTAR ?
Not sure if he was part of the “meeting and greeting” fans on game day as Amy was…I have seen Mrs Trask, never seen him…
February 17th, 2012 at 6:27 am
“I don’t have anything negative to say,” Herrera said. “I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was 14 and the AFL was formed and my family gave up 49ers tickets in 1960. I developed great friendships with players and coaches and front office people. I’m not going to be able to turn any of that off. All I can do is wish them the best.”
And that right there gains my respect…especially the part that his family gave up 49er tickets
February 17th, 2012 at 6:28 am
This scrub troubled ex-Packer CB that McKenzie signed….how the heck did Amy Trask sign off on that move?
Trask/AD have been trying to stay away from off-field trouble for years.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:29 am
Because Trask has no say over Football moves.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Does the steel curtain draw back a little now? What’s the PR spin moving forward? Who replaces Herrera and what is his tac on addressing the media?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:32 am
Underwood may be cut before the first preseason game.
Let’s all calm down here.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:34 am
GUEST,CAN THAT BE PART OF THE GM DUTIES ?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:37 am
DIRT-LOT, I don’t think RM really wants to rub elbows with the agressive Bay Area media. It’s obvious they each have their own agenda, and look for anything comment to tweak their articles to the spin they are slanging in the local rags.
Come to think on it, that was a crap job that Herrera got fired from.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:37 am
Brandon Underwood spent his first two years at Ohio State, where he was redshirted as a freshman in 2005. He played in the season opener against Miami, recording three tackles before suffering a season-ending shoulder injury. After his sophomore season, Underwood transferred to Cincinnati, where he earned first-team All-Big East honors in his senior season, recording 4 interceptions including one of Heisman Trophy winner Sam Bradford. – WIKI
February 17th, 2012 at 6:38 am
Underwood ran a 4.42 at the combine in 09, certainly in the range of ‘Raider speed’, and he did 16 reps on the bench, which is actually pretty incredible for a CB (I think DVD did 3 reps…). Im sure after losing his opportunity with the Packers (cut from the team that won the Super Bowl… ouch) and sitting out a year this kid has learned something about the responsibility of playing in the NFL.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Underwood may be cut before the first preseason game.
Let’s all calm down here.
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calming down….yah you’re right. Not worth discussing or getting upset about now.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:41 am
The 2008 first-team All-Big East free safety showed nice versatility playing cornerback after senior star Mike Mickens went down with a knee injury. Underwood played only sparingly in three years (including a redshirt season) at Ohio State, then had his scholarship revoked due to missed meetings and academic issues. But in his only year playing for the Bearcats, Underwood proved to be a playmaker, recording 60 tackles, including 3.5 for loss, three interceptions, six pass deflections and two forced fumbles. His brother, E.J., played briefly in the NFL after playing at Ohio State and Pikeville College.
http://www.nfl.com/combine/profiles/brandon-underwood?id=71489
February 17th, 2012 at 6:42 am
GOOD POINTS GUEST.GET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE MEDIA ROPES SO 2 SPEAK.WOULD RATHER HAVE MR.MCKENZIE CONCENTRATING ON COACHING STAFF & FOOTBALL PLAYERS..
February 17th, 2012 at 6:42 am
I think he played Free Safety in college too. He HAS to be a better depth player than Jerome Boyd
February 17th, 2012 at 6:43 am
I would be fine if Reggie NEVER spoke to the media again. LOL.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:45 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:42 am
GOOD POINTS GUEST.GET SOMEONE THAT KNOWS THE MEDIA ROPES SO 2 SPEAK.WOULD RATHER HAVE MR.MCKENZIE CONCENTRATING ON COACHING STAFF & FOOTBALL PLAYERS..
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Precisely. RM has bigger fish to fry.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:46 am
Underwood said his best 40 time was 4.36 , but he ran a 4.50 at his Pro Day
is it raining or is Al crying from heaven?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:48 am
is it raining or is Al crying from heaven?
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more like the ground trembling as Al turns over in his grave.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:50 am
The Packers listed his combine time at 4.42
Like I said, even more impressive than his speed was his strength. Very strong for a DB
February 17th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Why did Jerry say Herrera “probably regrets” the Kawakami incident?
Is it because Herrera’s never apologized for it, publicly or privately? Not even after Al’s death?
Again: A PR guy tries to start a fistfight with a beat reporter. That moment was an absolute disgrace, and any competent organization would have either fired John immediately, or at least had him apologize publicly and privately. Herrera did neither. He was emblematic of everything wrong in Alameda over the last two decades, and I’m not sorry to see him go.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Free agency isn’t open yet. Reggie brought in a guy he was familiar with to be a camp body, possibly a special teamer. I have a feeling if you are waiting for a ‘big splash’ in free agency you will be waiting awhile
Underwood ran a 4.42 at the combine in 09, certainly in the range of ‘Raider speed’, and he did 16 reps on the bench, which is actually pretty incredible for a CB (I think DVD did 3 reps…). Im sure after losing his opportunity with the Packers (cut from the team that won the Super Bowl… ouch) and sitting out a year this kid has learned something about the responsibility of playing in the NFL.
I think he played Free Safety in college too. He HAS to be a better depth player than Jerome Boyd
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BCZ,
I know i’ve said this before to you. I like you a lot better on Fridays. You’re a lot more positive and a lot less “the sky is falling”
February 17th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Certainly the media ramped up their own hostility from all the Herrera stonewalling (it was marching orders from Al – got it). Hopefully the new regime will be more candid (a little) with their inner workings and give the media a fresh look at this organization.
Wouldn’t hurt, and it would build some goodwill and maybe bury some old hatchets and ground-down axes. Maybe one day, the media will give the Raiders a fair shake. Maybe understanding the man behind the curtain will build a positive relationship that isn’t looking to damn the organization at every turn. It’s quid-pro-quo time media.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am
Al probably left JH a chunk of change when he died. If not then Al is a bigger A Hole than I think he was. JH was a yes man and a token diaper changing chin wiper. No need for that now that Al is toast. Finally the Raiders have joined the 21st century. I’m sure JH is a good man at heart but he was Al’s ass puppet and everyone knew it. Keep the Febreze coming! Clear out that old man stink!
February 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am
2012 hard knocks…Your Oakland Raiders
February 17th, 2012 at 7:01 am
You’re a lot more positive and a lot less “the sky is falling”
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Link? Source? LOL
Im generally positive in here, I just like to argue.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:01 am
HairyBush Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:59 am
2012 hard knocks…Your Oakland Raiders
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Won’t happen. Neither Big Mac nor Allen will want that kind of distraction.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:02 am
122. Agree 100%, not sad to see him go. Wasn’t qualified for the job in the first place. Poor temperment to handle the media.
Handling the media isn’t just throwing up a baricade and saying your propaganda. This isn’t communist russia. That never works here in the USA. You need to be clever in what info gets out and how you express that info. You can’t play favorites and you above all have to maintain your cool. And then above all else, you need to be accountable for your actions. John was not accountable for any of his misdeeds. Actions speak louder than words, and he failed to act when he had the chance. He disgraced the orginazation stooping down to Kawakami’s level, regardless if that punk is a Raider hater or not. He never censured his actions or took responsibility for them.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Let’s cut the B.S. and get to the real reason Herrera was let go. There was no need for a go’fer to pick up cheesburgers at McDonalds or cole slaw at KFC. Not favorites of MD or RM.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:06 am
Not favorites of MD or RM.
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but I thought MD grew up on McChicken Nuggets?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:09 am
HERRA WASN’T THE PROBLEM..WHAT WAS THE PROBLEM ?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:13 am
No, AD just bought MD the McNugget Happy Meals because he liked the toys. The real eating took place later wtih the CB’s and CS..
February 17th, 2012 at 7:15 am
HERRERA..
February 17th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Did Mark Davis and Jim Ursay read the same book?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am
good morning NATION!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:18 am
Definitely a new era in terms of public relations for Raiders.
I don’t why it “is sad” a lot of fans are glad he’s gone. All we had to go on was what we heard and saw in regard to Herrera and the problem is it was all bad.
That Gannon stuff was bad. Could’ve been handled with more class.
I look at Dallas and their ring of honor and how other org’s honor their great players and then I see Oakland and how Herrera openly rips on OUR QB for having a bad game in the SB? When Gannon was an NFL MVP for us?
Yes, Gannon said some stuff maybe he shouldn’t have, but Aikman, Emmitt Smith and Mike Irvin have said MANY things negative about Dallas and if Jerry Jones ever excommunicated those players the fans would have Jones’ head.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:19 am
By the way, Desert Hot Springs is a separate city from Palm Springs. Just a little further down Hwy 111. My parents live in Palm Springs.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I wish John Herrera the best, seems like he is a decent guy overall.
As far as the Tim Kawakami incidente, Timmy probably loved it, he got the national exposure he could have never gotten from his “writting”, he should have sent John a thank you note.
And I’m sure a ton of NFL executives, coaches and players loved Herrera calling out a crappy reporter, I’m sure most of them would like to do the same with some of their own press.
Good luck John, local media members who dealt with him for years have a better perspective on the guy than any of us, so he must be a nice guy after all.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:29 am
I don’t think Raiders PR put enought thought into how they were being perceived by other media, fans, and importantly…other PLAYERS.
The way things are today, if you’re perceived as being paranoid and mean spirited it doesn’t help your image and in todays world IMAGE is very important.
The “bad boy” image of the Raiders is good..i think players like that and want to be part of it, but the petty, paranoid mean stuff? I don;t think that goes over well with ANYBODY.
No good reason to promote a paranoid, mean face to your organization.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:31 am
I’ll be damned!.
I just went to Kawamami’s site to see what he had to say about John Herrera leaving and he posted a link to the video of the “incident”…..LOL.
Let it go Tim, your 15 minutes of fame courtesy of Herrera are over and have been for a couple of years now.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Kawakami’s a hack. Not all exposure is good exposure. If that’s what it takes to get people to read his garbage, then yes he needs to be kissing JH’s feet.
The other NFL execs probably did love that JH soiled his pants with the media. Made them look competent by comparison.
Nice guys don’t get the brand new cadillac, nice guys don’t get the steak knives either.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Even though he was characterized as Wormtongue to Al Davis’ Sauruman, Hererra hung himself out to dry for Al Davis. It was his job to stick his neck out.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:37 am
I just went to Kawamami’s site to see what he had to say about John Herrera leaving
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Marley,
Tim has a website? I dont even know who he writes for. Never heard of the guy prior to the Herrera incident and really haven’t heard anything about him (good or bad) since.
John Herrera made Tim Kawakami !
February 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Who is this Tim Kawasaki????
February 17th, 2012 at 7:42 am
The problem with the “incident” was what preceded it in the first place.
You just don’t write up a piece about your HC like they did on Kiffin.
For as much as the Raiders didn’t care how they were perceived..the ‘damn the world we’ll do it OUR way’ mentality, it seems they cared way too much about justifying their moves.
The way Al Davis tried to destroy Kiffin, and then Cable on a personal level was uncalled for and embarrassing.
If they really “didn’t care” what others felt or thought, they went out of their way to justify the moves without thought to how terribly that stuff would be perceived by those considering coming here.
Other top FA’s or top coaches see that stuff and say “Man. Will they do that to ME if I dare screw up?Why risk that”?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:45 am
You have to figure that JH was one of the men in the room when Al allegedly shouted at MD to “get the F out!” per Michael Silver’s article. So…..JH’s firing is only helping Silver’s hypothesis of MD wanting to erase the people who saw him belittled at the board room. It’s still a reach, but the puzzle pieces seem to fit.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:48 am
G123,
Michael Silver is a joke. So are those other clowns at Yahoo!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:51 am
145.guest123 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Who is this Tim Kawasaki????
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Funny how Mark called Kawakami “Jim” at the McKenzie intro presser.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:51 am
good points 146.
There’s no good explanation that someone of AD’s immense stature should have to stoop to explaining on his overhead projector with a tense LK to his side why he fired him. That’s bizzaro behavior. The press correctly picked up on that dysfunction. Herrera had his hands full trying to rationalize the bosses behavior. Going lock-step with Al never won him any latitude with the media. And it damaged the image of the shield.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:51 am
Oh please, Jerry is just defending this lap dog because he was the one who provided Jerry with the food at the pressers.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:48 am
G123,
Michael Silver is a joke. So are those other clowns at Yahoo!
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Maybe,
but I remember last preseason how much he was hyping the Raiders as a playoff team. He’s not a Raider hater either. The article seems hellbent to create hyperbole that probably isn’t close to being true. But always pay attention to the bits and pieces of the story. Not everything is spin.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:55 am
Dakota,
We all know how much you hated Herrera.
Get over it. He is gone, so move on.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Tim Kawakami your 13 min 5 sec. of fame is almost up. Better milk your feud with Herrera while you can.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:58 am
“I don’t have anything negative to say,” Herrera said. “I’ve been a Raiders fan since I was 14 and the AFL was formed and my family gave up 49ers tickets in 1960. I developed great friendships with players and coaches and front office people. I’m not going to be able to turn any of that off. All I can do is wish them the best.”
Herrera is Raider, and I will miss him.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Say what you will, but when Al died, Herrera was all class, and was seen crying in the Houston locker room.
He may have been a tool, but he was a Raider Nation member, through and through.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:02 am
The road is long
With many a winding turn
That leads us to who knows where
Who knows where
But I’m strong
Strong enough to carry him
He ain’t heavy, he’s my brother
So on we go
February 17th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Fans are angry with our PR guy, and happy he was gone?!
Jerry is right. It’s sad!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I want a signed Herrera pic of him with his finger in Kawakami’s face.
I think I would pay $150 for it.
Can you make this happen Jerry?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
guest123 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:54 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:48 am
G123,
Michael Silver is a joke. So are those other clowns at Yahoo!
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Maybe,
but I remember last preseason how much he was hyping the Raiders as a playoff team. He’s not a Raider hater either. The article seems hellbent to create hyperbole that probably isn’t close to being true. But always pay attention to the bits and pieces of the story. Not everything is spin.
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Based on what Silver has said post Hue getting fired, I think he said all the playoff stuff because of Hue, not because he actually thought that.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Raider Nation-Station
HOT!~ 02-17-12: O LINE DEFINED
“Though they stumbled down the stretch and face a scheme change next season Oaklands O line could be better set than thought.”
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
February 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Poor herrera was the punching bag for raider fans that were piszed with al decisions.. Nobody really hated him. He’s just a talking head.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:07 am
turn the page fellas….brand new day
February 17th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Vegas,
LOL
$150 sounds good to me. I want one too.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:09 am
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:57 am
Tim Kawakami your 13 min 5 sec. of fame is almost up. Better milk your feud with Herrera while you can.
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No they are not. Boot licking Davis hating toadies like Kawakami are going to fawn all ofer the new regime in hopes of getting the preferential treatment they feel they deserve and were denied by Alphonse.
Reggie and Mark are smooth and see the opportunity to dangle carrots, get the media on their side and help sell the Raiders as a business worthy of investing stadium money in.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Herrera carried the stink of the previous administration. Glad he is gone. Times are a changing.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:11 am
Vegas,
LOL
$150 sounds good to me. I want one too
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i want one too!!
wonder if we can get a package deal??
February 17th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Poor herrera was the punching bag for raider fans that were piszed with al decisions.. Nobody really hated him. He’s just a talking head.
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How do you hate a peon PR guy? He was just the frontman for the packaged schpiel that Al wanted delivered. He didn’t need to have a brain to do what he did. And it didn’t appear he had a brain either. He just took all of Al’s body blows and said, “thank you sir, may I have another?” Pretty thankless job, and I hope he was at least well compensated for his work.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Someone e-mail Jerry or Kawakami, and let’s make this happen.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:13 am
Reggie and Mark are smooth and see the opportunity to dangle carrots, get the media on their side and help sell the Raiders as a business worthy of investing stadium money in.
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Now this is smart $$$$$
They have an opportunity to get the press on their side and sell them tix. It’s all business and nothing personal. The way it always should have been.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am
What’s next?
Are You People going to get angry at the projector?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Based on what Silver has said post Hue getting fired, I think he said all the playoff stuff because of Hue, not because he actually thought that.
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Stomp,
exactly. Silver gets his nails done with Hue Jax
his article was personal, not professional
February 17th, 2012 at 8:17 am
I want it in Black & White to make it more dramatic.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Are the coaches and staff still required to sell like 10 season tix again this year?
Got to say, that was some of our last bit of Al Davis brilliance.
Knowing Chuck B as we do, I bet he sold 8 tickets immediately, and than couldn’t close the deal down the stretch to get the last 2.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 am
171.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:15 am
What’s next?
Are You People going to get angry at the projector?
LMAO!!!
BTW: Thatconversation we had the other night about taxing bonus checks…yes, 43% was taken out
February 17th, 2012 at 8:19 am
“Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:05 am
I want a signed Herrera pic of him with his finger in Kawakami’s face.
I think I would pay $150 for it.
Can you make this happen Jerry”
I am right there with you I loved the guy!!!!
Some of these media sucklings make me sick either you are a Raiders fan and you do not conform or you are a sheep lead by the media….you cant be both!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:21 am
LMAO at the Amy Trask mandate that every employee down to the office secretaries had to sell season tix. That was comedy that you can’t make up.
lol @ chuckB blowing his quota at the end. yuk yuk
February 17th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Being a Raider fan is a mentality a state of mind a rebellion its for people who do not want to be a part of system but who rebel against the system and a part of that system is the MEDIA!
You take a guy like Herrera away from us and you are take a part of that rebellion away from us.
You will be missed John!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Hwnrdr,
How do you sleep at night bro? 43%?!?! That’s rape! It’s a crime! Do you get free health & education with that high rate?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Being a Raider fan isn’t about some sort of “rebellion”. It’s about nonconformance with the crowd. Blazing your own trail. It’s about putting on your hardhat and going to work. I always felt that the wine-sipping 49ers were our antithesis of a team. They were the media whores who conformed to the masses. The Raiders broke the mold and did it with good old fashioned hard work and commitment to excellence. The Raiders are all about being big and bad, but bringing it when others would cry uncle from the pain. The ultimate toughguys who did things their own way.
Rebellion to me is like a whiny teenage punk that is running away from his parents and has no discipline. That’s not the Raiders I know.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:32 am
Hwnrdr,
Federal Income Tax: 25%
CA Income Tax: 9%
CA SDI: 1.1%
FICA: 7.65%
February 17th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Hwnrdr,
Anything over 25% is a crime (IMO) unless you get benefits like free health and education.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:35 am
“Being a Raider fan isn’t about some sort of “rebellion”. It’s about nonconformance with the crowd.”
LMFAO Duh that’s what rebellion is nonconformity.
You do realize that you just contradicted yourself in one sentence don’t you?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:36 am
I take it back. Make that 20%.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Rebellion:
“resistance to or defiance of any authority, control, or tradition.”
This is Websters definition not mine!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:37 am
Doing it “your way” should include not needing to justify your decisions like bringing out the letter to Kiffin and the overhead projector. Just fire him and move on.
It also doesn’t include talking about a guys personal life and how he cheated on his wife as a reason to let him go.
Just fire Cable and move on and don’t worry about justifying why u did it.
Al had the rep for not caring what others thought but when way out of his way to justify himself.
I would’ve preferred they just did what they wanted and spared the personal attacks on guys as they kick ‘em out the door.
That was what was disappointing to me.
That being said, Al was an icon and is a permanent figure in NFL history.
He did alot of great stuff and if anybody denies that they aren’t telling the whole story either.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Al and Herrera gone.. How long before we sign up for hard knocks?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:39 am
FICA is only 4.2% right now, goes back to 6.2% if they don’t extend it next month.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 am
I don’t have to not conform to be a rebel. So you go out to lunch and everyone is eating turkey sammiches and you want roast beef, does that make you a rebel?
Rebellion in my limited view goes beyond nonconformance. It means the act itself of rebelling is some sort of satisfying experience. The means is greater than the end.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 am
We had a chance for Hard Knocks, when Hue was around. He never saw a camera he didn’t like.
Reggie and this Allen guy? Highly doubt it, but who knows, good free publicity.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 am
179.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Hwnrdr,
How do you sleep at night bro? 43%?!?! That’s rape! It’s a crime! Do you get free health & education with that high rate?
I try but it gets harder every day!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
RIP…GARY CARTER.. NY METS!!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
190. After Al died cameras were all over the locker area after games, it seemed like they got alot more access all of a sudden.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:49 am
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
190. After Al died cameras were all over the locker area after games, it seemed like they got alot more access all of a sudden.
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Hue liked mugging for the cameras. Reggie and DA have zero interest in any of that foolishness.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am
“Doing it “your way” should include not needing to justify your decisions like bringing out the letter to Kiffin and the overhead projector. Just fire him and move on.
It also doesn’t include talking about a guys personal life and how he cheated on his wife as a reason to let him go.”
The way Al did things in his 70’s and 80’s were a little strange. He never did things like that earlier in his life and I am not sure why he acted that way in the end but yes I agree it was not Al like to do things that way in the latter part of his reign.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:50 am
ghostraiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:47 am
RIP…GARY CARTER.. NY METS!!
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Agreed. Yet another Dodger Hall of Famer taken from us too soon…
February 17th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Jacoby Ford @JacobyFord12
Bout to go ride these dune buggies with @theDHB85 and @murph918 and Jcam!!!
-hope they can convince JC to stay
February 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Well, I guess Timmy K can stop looking over his shoulder now…He’ll get to keep his lunch money too…Lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:52 am
194. I hope so. Id hate to see mark sell out the old ways.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am
Hope they don’t have a Monta Ellis, “mo-ped” incident.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:53 am
#197: Soup wants a chance to start somewhere. It won’t be here. All the best to him. He’s a class act.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am
The LK projector firing was a microcosm of Al’s later years and a parody of what Al’s life would become. He stood up and dressed down LK, and in the process became everything he hated when he was younger. How ironic.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:55 am
They need to run all off season. Enough of these stupid groin, hammy & foot injuries.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Duck… I don’t remember him as a dodger. . I remember him Kieth Hernandez. .Lenny dykstra. .David cone. .doc gooden beating the hated Boston red sox when that ball skipped under bill buckners legs… I remember him jumping for joy.. it was nice to see… I hate all things Boston. . It immediately made me a Mets fan..atleast for one year..
February 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Get off the buggies and run that beach!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am
“and in the process became everything he hated when he was younger. How ironic.”
So true!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:57 am
#203: Maybe DMAC should be going for pedis with Hue?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Good post Jerry I agree 100%
There are many “misguided” misfits and degenerates in here. Mostly libtards with mental disorders, sadly.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:58 am
“Get off the buggies and run that beach!”
Stop hanging out with a guy who is leaving and get over to Palmer’s house and run some routes
February 17th, 2012 at 8:59 am
RIP Gary Carter. Should have got a ring in that strike season with the Expos. The ghost of Oopee still weeps.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Run the beach….barefooted. Stamina right there!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I try but it gets harder every day!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I bet.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
210.CanuckRaider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:59 am
RIP Gary Carter. Should have got a ring in that strike season with the Expos. The ghost of Oopee still weeps.
Yup, that was the year the Expos were blowing everyone off the rocker…then…the season ended!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
If I was a player (like DHB or Jacoby Ford) my vacation would be over and I would be calling Knapp asking for a copy of the playbook so I could study it with my QB.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:01 am
#208: I aint no jenerate…I aint ignant either.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am
No, they just need to run and work all yr. Walter peyton and jerry rice showed guy how to stay heathly.. Our guys dont know how to work.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am
212.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
I try but it gets harder every day!
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I bet.
But O, it’s only bonus checks that get taxed that way…sad, but it is what it is! That is hwy I hate when the bosses tell me this is what you will get…cut that almost in half…ugghhh!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
If I was a player (like DHB or Jacoby Ford) my vacation would be over and I would be calling Knapp asking for a copy of the playbook so I could study it with my QB.
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Good point, and remember they couldn’t do this last year at this time.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Numnuts, its Feb not June.
You should worry more about you and less what athletes do on their free time.
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Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
If I was a player (like DHB or Jacoby Ford) my vacation would be over and I would be calling Knapp asking for a copy of the playbook so I could study it with my QB.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:04 am
#213: Yeah Hwnrdr…The Phillies were the only team that could give the Expos a run that year. Wonder if Montreal would still have them if they had a pennant?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Hwnrdr,
Maybe you should ask your employer for cash tips and not bonuses. lol
February 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Brownstains you got abused in here yesterday by a whole bunch of people and you come back in here today with the same abrasive rants.
Do you expect to be treated differently while spewing the same BS?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Really? Dune buggies? Didnt the vacations end a week after the superbowl? We didnt even make the playoffs.. Its a work day kids!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
I hope our WRs are professional and WILL work with CP at some point to go over playbook and get their timing down.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Carter, the Hawk, Tim Raines, Steve Rogers…That team was loaded…Got to see Rogers pitch when he was with the Whips.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:07 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:00 am
210.CanuckRaider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:59 am
RIP Gary Carter. Should have got a ring in that strike season with the Expos. The ghost of Oopee still weeps.
Yup, that was the year the Expos were blowing everyone off the rocker…then…the season ended!
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You realize that was a full two seasons after Carter retired? He wouldn’t have received a ring anyway.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/players/c/cartega01.shtml
February 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
“Numnuts, its Feb not June.”
And that is just the kind of attitude some of our players have…why worry about my job until June?
Not very professional because we all know that a serious athlete would be training right now.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Hwnrdr,
I know bro, but that still hurts. Dude I’m getting angry reading about it. Btw, I’m looking for a way to minimize that tax rate. I will let you know if I find something helpful.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:10 am
You can blame coaches, trainers, Al or reggie.. But the players are responsible for there own improvement. Some guys want to be great more than others..
February 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am
wanting to be great is one thing. it’s quite another to work to be great. I’m sure there a few on the roster that do work to be great, but not enough to make the organization great. February isn’t for vacationing. It’s for being a gym rat and keeping a tight physical schedule. The NFL’s a tough biz and to stay in this league earning top dollar, you have to be prepared to sacrifice.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am
#226: In 1981, the year I was referring to, Carter was indeed an Expo.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am
” I’m looking for a way to minimize that tax rate. I will let you know if I find something helpful.”
well you could have a ton of children or make less money or go into debt with a bank to write off the interest.
These are the things the IRS encourages and gives tax breaks for….kind of sad if you ask me.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
229 and 230 great posts both of you and yes it is true these are the things that separates great professional athletes from the average athletes.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Not advocating the signing at all…
But Randy Moss coming back? Where does he go?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Well, time to go put on my Herrera mask and sneak up behind Timmy. Someone has to keep the little fellar on his toes.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am
229 and 230 great posts both of you and yes it is true these are the things that separates great professional athletes from the average athletes.
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Exactly, Jerry Rice was not the most gifted receiver, he worked his @$$ off.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am
221.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:06 am
Hwnrdr,
Maybe you should ask your employer for cash tips and not bonuses. lol
I know right?
228.Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Hwnrdr,
I know bro, but that still hurts. Dude I’m getting angry reading about it. Btw, I’m looking for a way to minimize that tax rate. I will let you know if I find something helpful.
Thanks!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Methinks the play book is just a theory right now…there’s nothing to pass-out. CPalmer and the rest of the QB’s could use a little pre-instruction on the new terminology though!
Most importantly…let’s hope those dune buggies have governors on them, and those guys don’t do anything stupid, like roll any of them. JFord’s ankles must be fine, working that clutch and all. Same with JCampbell’s shoulder, and the steering wheel in a 4×4 Ute or buggy.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am
The Expos became who? Is it the Nationals?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am
CanuckRaider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:15 am
#226: In 1981, the year I was referring to, Carter was indeed an Expo.
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But the season didn’t just end in 1981. The Expos lost to the Dodgers in the NLCS.
http://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/MON/1981.shtml
February 17th, 2012 at 9:22 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:21 am
The Expos became who? Is it the Nationals?
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Yup.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
234.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Not advocating the signing at all…
But Randy Moss coming back? Where does he go?
The Chicago IFL league!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:24 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:23 am
234.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:17 am
Not advocating the signing at all…
But Randy Moss coming back? Where does he go?
The Chicago IFL league!
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Just as long as it’s not here.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:26 am
#240: On that count you’re right. I’d forgotten exactly how things went down. 30+ years is a long time, especially given my hard lifestyle back then…Lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:28 am
Now where’s that lil Timmy at?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Those buggies must not be too dangerous…I’m sure there are standard clauses in their contracts prohibiting certain risky activities, like sky diving, motorcycle rides, etc…
February 17th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Jacoby Ford @JacobyFord12
Bout to go ride these dune buggies with @theDHB85 and @murph918 and Jcam!!!
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Meanwhile,
Palmer, Pryor, Denny Moore & Kevin Boss are hanging out with Knapp, Saunders, DeFilippo & Gilmore trying to learn the new offense!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Palmer ended the year with a very respectable, 60.7% completions, good for about midpoint in the league and in the company of other above average QBs like Matt Ryan (61.3%) and Super Bowl winning QB Eli Manning (61%).
http://tfdssports.com/2012-articles/february/tale-of-the-tape-carson-palmer-has-oakland-raiders-well-armed-for-success.html
February 17th, 2012 at 9:34 am
“Get off the buggies and run that beach!”
Stop hanging out with a guy who is leaving and get over to Palmer’s house and run some routes
If I was a player (like DHB or Jacoby Ford) my vacation would be over and I would be calling Knapp asking for a copy of the playbook so I could study it with my QB.
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Agreed with Silver !!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:36 am
You can blame coaches, trainers, Al or reggie.. But the players are responsible for there own improvement. Some guys want to be great more than others..
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Mark,
don’t tell that to Debo!
“Poor JaMarcus”
February 17th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Hahahahahahahahahah rRS got jokes….what offense? Knapp sux
February 17th, 2012 at 9:38 am
Run that beach Apollo Creed style fellas!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:39 am
“Meanwhile,
Palmer, Pryor, Denny Moore & Kevin Boss are hanging out with Knapp, Saunders, DeFilippo & Gilmore trying to learn the new offense!”
Either you are focused on the task at hand or you are not! I don’t care what month it is if you are a commited NFL player you take your vacation in Feb then its back to work!
Nice post RRS!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
wanting to be great is one thing. it’s quite another to work to be great. I’m sure there a few on the roster that do work to be great, but not enough to make the organization great. February isn’t for vacationing. It’s for being a gym rat and keeping a tight physical schedule. The NFL’s a tough biz and to stay in this league earning top dollar, you have to be prepared to sacrifice.
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G123 gets it
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What a joke to even use Eli in same breath as Palmer….no we aren’t well armed for success….we have no qb
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
Good morning “B”
How is the off season treating you?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:41 am
They’ll be time enuf for vacations once you retire boys. Go to work!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Palmer is working on setting the NFL interception record for pick sixes
February 17th, 2012 at 9:41 am
We do have a QB and a damn good one just watch and see how well he does with a full off season and camps with the WR’s.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:42 am
666,
I don’t mind taxes, but I do think our Gov is taking advantage of us. we should get free upper level education & Health for what we pay.
Stop using the money on useless crap. I rather have health over A few f22 raptors and a war in Iraq. I rather have free education over helping other countriesl do their dirty work.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am
“Palmer is working on setting the NFL interception record for pick sixes”
Come on “B” no one wants to be a loser.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:43 am
258.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Palmer is working on setting the NFL interception record for pick sixes
If he beats Favre for that one…I tell ya!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
RIP Henry David Thoreau!!
We need people like you now.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
Stop complaining about California taxes. I still pay CA taxes and I don’t even live there anymore. Your welcome Californians.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
I have no offseason….being a Raider is 24/7/365……very disappointing Palmer will be kept…even more disgusted we going with Knapp’s wco and zbs phag schit
February 17th, 2012 at 9:45 am
“I don’t mind taxes, but I do think our Gov is taking advantage of us. we should get free upper level education & Health for what we pay.
Stop using the money on useless crap. I rather have health over A few f22 raptors and a war in Iraq. I rather have free education over helping other countriesl do their dirty work.”
I agree they sure do know how to waste money. Its so much easier to spend other peoples money than your own.
There is no reason a Senator or Congressman should make 250K a year with full benefits and have a secretary making 100K a year who also has an assistant making 80K a year and so on.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I saw Vinnt Testaverde at 40 come to panthers middle of week and toss for 3 tds
February 17th, 2012 at 9:47 am
We need more people like Jimmy Carter and Henry Thoreau. People who love America & Americans, and don’t just pretend like they do.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:49 am
So damn excuses for Palmer cuz eh yo Vinny won that game….oh he needs more time to throw hella ints as he has since USC? We don’t have a damn good qb…we got a damn good frontrunner who can’t carry a team and you guys lie and claim he does…fk him
February 17th, 2012 at 9:49 am
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:44 am
RIP Henry David Thoreau!!
We need people like you now.
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He’s been dead 150 years. A little late for a funeral, no?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I saw Vinnt Testaverde at 40 come to panthers middle of week and toss for 3 tds
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Sorry B, but Vinny is only #5 on the all time INT list…
All-time interception leaders:
brett favre 278
George Blanda, 277
John Hadl, 268
Fran Tarkenton, 266
Vinny Testaverde, 261
Norm Snead, 257
February 17th, 2012 at 9:51 am
A disciplined change to the WCO was just what the doctor ordered. It limits what the offense can do, but it also limits all the bad things that have happened to.
I like the switch to the ZBS, it will require more heady, coordinated OL’s that hopefully cut down on assignment errors.
I just see the whole offense more coordinated and focused than last year. Give Knapp a chance. It may not be as exciting, but if it gets “W’s” I don’t really care.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Raiders still need a number 1 wr…we don’t have a poss wr…dhb is a 3rd wr…he improved but he don’t got it like that
February 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
273. I like the suggestion of adding M. Colston as a steady possession WR. I agree about DHB not being reliable in that role.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:54 am
The difference between us liars and you B is simple. We can ‘lie’ and lead our happy little lives being happy that Carson Palmer is our QB. Meanwhile you have to sit there and be miserable. Its even worse for you because you aren’t a fan. You are somehow ‘more’ than that. So I guess you have to be even more miserable.
I choose to be optimistic about the direction of the team. Not enough hours in the day to be miserable about something I have ZERO control over, or power to change.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:55 am
Dutch…point was ppl made excuses for Palmer especially the kc and den games…vinny won despite getting to carolina that Wednesday! Keep up my friend
February 17th, 2012 at 9:56 am
A disciplined change to the WCO was just what the doctor ordered. It limits what the offense can do, but it also limits all the bad things that have happened to.
I like the switch to the ZBS, it will require more heady, coordinated OL’s that hopefully cut down on assignment errors.
I just see the whole offense more coordinated and focused than last year. Give Knapp a chance. It may not be as exciting, but if it gets “W’s” I don’t really care.
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G123,
you’re not the first one who has tried to talk some sense into ROG! people only hear what they want to hear man … or in this case, see what they want to see (errr read)
February 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
I choose to be optimistic about the direction of the team. Not enough hours in the day to be miserable about something I have ZERO control over, or power to change.
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Happy Friday, BCZ!
LOL
February 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Raiders still need a number 1 wr…we don’t have a poss wr…dhb is a 3rd wr…he improved but he don’t got it like that
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You are so negative. Give it a f..kin rest yo!. Palmer is gonna have a great season and so are the Raiders. It is a new era.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:57 am
@bcz24
check out the article…they actually use game film to show Palmer’s strengths and weaknesses…not saying it is accurate…
http://tfdssports.com/2012-articles/february/tale-of-the-tape-carson-palmer-has-oakland-raiders-well-armed-for-success.html
February 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
In Rebuttal to Jerry-
I don’t think it is necessarily ‘honorable’ when you end up doing things that are manipulative and mean and then calling it ‘loyalty.’ It goes deeper than that.
There comes a time in the timeline when you become a willing participant in the machine and then it becomes ‘prostitution.’ Overriding your own conscience for the boss and the paycheck. Becoming like your boss.
There are many great men out there who quit their jobs rather than become a puppet or minion of a man who was a dictator. Wrong is worng and right is right.
I cannot respect Hererra because of that incident with Kawakami. Herrera let his colors be known and it was a watershed moment. If I was the new management, I would not want that kind of man on my staff.
I for on am glad that he is out of the building. My opinion only.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
A change to wco is what doctor ordered? Fkin based on what? That offense is gay and lame….zbs is pxssy schit and welcomes weak ass lineman….this season is shot….that as long as it wins schit is weak too….you not winning a fkin thing
February 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Palmer is gonna have a great season and so are the Raiders. It is a new era
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thank you Jesus!
can’t tell ya how many times I’ve said that in my life
February 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Palmer will BE FINE in Knapp’s offense. No doubt Knapp (with an assist from Saunders) is implementing a system that uses Palmer’s strengths.
The problem in 2007 – 2008 was that Russell didn’t HAVE any strengths (other than emptying the buffet line).
February 17th, 2012 at 10:00 am
the kc and den games…vinny won despite getting to carolina that Wednesday!
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Yeah but Testaverde hadn’t been out of football completely for 10 months. He was with the Patriots in training camp that year and was only ‘on the couch’ for 1 month. Not quite the same deal, but I see where your going.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:58 am
A change to wco is what doctor ordered? Fkin based on what? That offense is gay and lame….zbs is pxssy schit and welcomes weak ass lineman….this season is shot….that as long as it wins schit is weak too….you not winning a fkin thing
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OK, so if winning games is not the goal, then WHAT IS??? Do tell.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:01 am
RRS….wrong….guest is spewing trash….wco doesn’t match palmer plus knapp is a noodle brain with a weak soul…..zbs is trash and totally kills veldheer…..its pxssy line play and excuses lineman like satele and carlisle
February 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
U dummy Raiderpunk….did you not read last sentence? You not winning schit!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Mornin nation!!!!
Man I gotta agreed with old boy. CP is the best QB we’ve had around here since Kerry Collins. IMO. I think we will be good with him. He just got a knew lease on life in the NFL,a young budding offense with a vet QB. Sounds like a good formula. Besides there are no other options. I’m rollin wit CP. An hopin an prayin DMAC stays healthy. The combo of the two is scary for defenses!!!
A proven vet poss WR will complete the package!!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
284.RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:59 am
Palmer will BE FINE in Knapp’s offense. No doubt Knapp (with an assist from Saunders) is implementing a system that uses Palmer’s strengths.
The problem in 2007 – 2008 was that Russell didn’t HAVE any strengths (other than emptying the buffet line).
OUCH!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Shut up…we saw drew bledslow is a wco in the late 9@s…it doesn’t fit big qbs like that and it won’t fit palmer…you guys are delusional
February 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Dutch…point was ppl made excuses for Palmer especially the kc and den games…vinny won despite getting to carolina that Wednesday! Keep up my friend
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Yeah, you gave a QB as an example who is in the top five for career interceptions. Vinny finished multiple years in his career with more Int than TDs.
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/T/TestVi00.htm
February 17th, 2012 at 10:04 am
“Palmer is gonna have a great season and so are the Raiders. It is a new era”
Yes even my evil ass is saying thank you Jesus.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:04 am
[...] McDonald paints a much different portrait of Herrera with a very poignant post on his blog. McDonald references the countless sacrifices Herrera made in order to fulfill his daily [...]
February 17th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:02 am
did you not read last sentence? You not winning schit!
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So winning a game is not “winning,” unless it’s done by your approved methods? Gotcha. Thank goodness YOU’RE not running the team.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:06 am
291.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Shut up…we saw drew bledslow is a wco in the late 9@s…it doesn’t fit big qbs like that and it won’t fit palmer…you guys are delusional
Yes, Palmer does not fit the WCO…but something isn’t right! SOme guys may not like it, but I honestly can see dumping Plamer and resigning Campbell…unless…Knapp has us all fooled and will run a hybrid
February 17th, 2012 at 10:09 am
USC qbs all suck…every last one of them…I liken them to old toys you find….you can find a toy in the trash…clean it up and make it look nice…fact is you still got it from the trash….THAT’S ROBERT CARSON PALMER
February 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
A change to wco is what doctor ordered? based on what? That offense is lame….zbs welcomes weak lineman….this season is shot….
wco doesn’t match palmer plus knapp is a noodle brain with a weak soul…..zbs is trash and totally kills veldheer…..it excuses lineman like satele and carlisle
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ROG, I’ve edited your previous comments so they wont be deleted by Corkran & Becker
February 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
FA WRs:
Mike Wallace (RFA), WR, Steelers. Age: 26.
Mike Wallace is one of the top deep threats in football. The Steelers won’t let him get away.
Dwayne Bowe, WR, Chiefs. Age: 27.
Dwayne Bowe is a dynamic talent and one of the better receivers in the NFL. His production is remarkable considering the mediocre quarterbacks he’s worked with throughout his professional career.
Vincent Jackson, WR, Chargers, Chargers. Age: 29.
Vincent Jackson amazingly has never caught more than 68 passes in a single season, but with his size (6-5, 230) and downfield ability, he’s one of the top physical talents at the wide receiver position in the NFL.
Wes Welker, WR, Patriots. Age: 31.
The top slot receiver in the NFL, Wes Welker is due for a big contract. He still has a few great years left.
Steve Johnson, WR, Bills. Age: 26.
If Steve Johnson were as strong mentally as he is physically, he would be one of the top receivers in the NFL. Unfortunately, he has way too many drops in key moments and acts like a clown on the field.
Brandon Lloyd, WR, Rams. Age: 31.
A legitimate No. 1 receiver, Brandon Lloyd has announced that he’ll follow Josh McDaniels wherever he goes. That’s a smart football decision, as Lloyd has thrived under McDaniels the past two seasons.
Marques Colston, WR, Saints. Age: 29.
Marques Colston’s numbers are awesome, but there are two issues here. First, is he just a product of New Orleans’ system? And second, if he’s willing to take more money to play for a bad team, that’ll speak volumes about his priorities. Just ask the Seahawks how they feel about Sidney Rice.
DeSean Jackson, WR, Eagles. Age: 25.
DeSean Jackson was pretty overrated until he started dropping passes and running half-hearted routes in the middle of the season. The threat of Jackson burning teams deep still has an impact on the game, but if lazy coaches would realize that the quick wideout has been pretty mediocre since suffering a second concussion against the Texans last year, they wouldn’t respect him as much.
Mario Manningham, WR, Giants. Age: 26.
Mario Manningham is a talented, young receiver who caught 60 balls for 944 yards in 2010. His stats were down this past season because of a nagging knee injury.
Reggie Wayne, WR, Colts. Age: 33.
Reggie Wayne turns 34 in November. He might still be able to get it done as a No. 2 receiver somewhere next year – perhaps wherever Peyton Manning lands. I’m sure both the Redskins and Jets would be happy with the pair.
Pierre Garcon, WR, Colts. Age: 26.
Pierre Garcon is fast, but is also unreliable because he drops too many passes. Still, he had some big games with Curtis Painter and Dan Orlovsky at quarterback, so teams know he’s not just a product of the system.
Laurent Robinson, WR, Cowboys. Age: 27.
Laurent Robinson was finally able to stay healthy, and he consequently had the best year of his career, catching 54 balls for 858 yards and 11 touchdowns. He was a key contributor when Miles Austin-Jones went down, so Jerry Jones will make a strong effort to re-sign him. Robinson is injury-prone though, so Jerry better not go crazy.
Robert Meachem, WR, Saints. Age: 27.
It’s frustrating, but Robert Meachem has never lived up to his potential. He has talent, but it appears as though he’s destined to be a mediocre wideout for his entire career.
Braylon Edwards, WR, 49ers. Age: 29.
Braylon Edwards sucked this past year because he was battling injuries. He can be a starter again if he can get healthy.
Danny Amendola (RFA), WR, Rams. Age: 26.
Sam Bradford’s favorite receiver, Danny Amendola missed most of 2011 because of torn triceps. He’ll bounce back as a solid slot receiver next year.
Ted Ginn, WR/KR, 49ers. Age: 27.
Ted Ginn stinks as a receiver, but he’s one of the top return specialists in the NFL.
Eric Weems, WR/KR, Falcons. Age: 27.
Eric Weems scored two special-teams touchdowns in 2010, but couldn’t find the end zone this past season. However, he was still effective on returns, maintaining solid averages in both punt and kick returns.
Deion Branch, WR, Patriots. Age: 33.
Deion Branch is worth much more to the Patriots than he is to anyone else. He knows the system, and Tom Brady loves throwing to him.
Josh Morgan, WR, 49ers. Age: 27.
Josh Morgan looked like he was on his way to having a solid year, catching 15 balls for 220 yards in five games, but he went on injured reserve with a broken leg.
Jerome Simpson, WR, Bengals. Age: 26.
Jerome Simpson had that acrobatic touchdown in Week 16, but was otherwise really inconsistent. He’s still young though, and the talent is unquestionably there. Unfortunately, his alleged drug connections downgrade him.
Eddie Royal, WR/PR, Broncos. Age: 26.
Eddie Royal has inexplicably completely regressed as a receiver, but he’s a pretty dynamic punt-returner.
Plaxico Burress, WR, Jets. Age: 35.
All Plaxico Burress does is catch touchdown passes. That’s all he can do at this point of his career, anyway.
Harry Douglas, WR, Falcons. Age: 27.
Jerricho Cotchery, WR, Steelers. Age: 30.
Early Doucet, WR, Cardinals. Age: 26.
Lavelle Hawkins, WR, Titans. Age: 26. — Re-signed with Titans (3 years)
Legedu Naanee, WR, Panthers. Age: 28.
Donte’ Stallworth, WR, Redskins. Age: 31.
Matt Slater, WR/S, Patriots. Age: 26.
Kevin Ogletree, WR, Cowboys. Age: 25.
Donnie Avery, WR, Titans. Age: 28.
Adrian Arrington, WR, Saints. Age: 26.
Andre Caldwell, WR, Bengals. Age: 27.
Devin Aromashodu, WR, Vikings. Age: 28.
Mark Clayton, WR, Rams. Age: 30.
Derek Hagan, WR, Bills. Age: 27.
Michael Spurlock, KR, Buccaneers. Age: 29.
Patrick Crayton, WR, Chargers. Age: 33.
Chaz Schilens, WR, Raiders. Age: 26.
Roy Williams, WR, Bears. Age: 30.
Anthony Gonzalez, WR, Colts. Age: 27.
Steve Smith, WR, Eagles. Age: 27.
Matt Willis (RFA), WR, Broncos. Age: 28.
Patrick Turner, WR, Jets. Age: 25.
Bryant Johnson, WR, Texans. Age: 31.
Roscoe Parrish, WR, Bills. Age: 30.
Devin Thomas, WR, Giants. Age: 25.
Greg Camarillo, WR, Vikings. Age: 30.
Domenik Hixon, WR/KR, Giants. Age: 27.
Jerheme Urban, WR, Chiefs. Age: 31.
Ruvell Martin, WR, Bills. Age: 30.
Michael Clayton, WR, Giants. Age: 29.
Maurice Stovall, WR, Lions. Age: 27.
Courtney Roby, WR/KR, Saints. Age: 29.
Rashied Davis, WR, Lions. Age: 33.
Brett Swain, WR, 49ers. Age: 27.
Arnaz Battle, WR, Steelers. Age: 32.
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, WR, Raiders. Age: 34.
Terrell Owens, WR, Bengals. Age: 38.
Randy Moss, WR, Titans. Age: 35.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
RaiderPunk….you don’t know a fkin thing about football….stick to blowing johns in SoCal
February 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Wiinning is when RaiderPunk takes that long walk off a short bridge
February 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
The problem in 2007 – 2008 was that Russell didn’t HAVE any strengths (other than emptying the buffet line).
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que Debo!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:11 am
RaiderPunk….you don’t know a fkin thing about football….stick to blowing johns in SoCal
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Do you have any purpose on this blog other than name-calling? This is a serious question. If you hate the direction this team is taking so much, go root for someone else.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:15 am
We not winning a title with Palmer ever…especially in an offense like the WCO and with a btch OC like Knapp or getting plowed by dline with that btch zbs…not to mention dmac doesn’t fit that scheme….my god
February 17th, 2012 at 10:16 am
IDIOT ALERT IDIOT ALERT
It’s Hayes, the fruity old blog goober! Love when the old fool shows up with his perky attitude and worn out opening line.
Just makes it easier to crack the geek with a classic Beeech Dawg style smack down!
Hayes I’d love for you attempt to throw down in a rap off with the one true hustler, the Beech Diggity! I can see plenty of rhymes about garden hoses, hawaiian shirts, lawnmowers and JC Penny catalogues.
Everyone knows you’d get RUINED in a lyrical battle and you’ll find ANY excuse to waddle out of it, but I thought it’d at least be fun to watch you squirm and probably wet your overalls in fear.
IDIOT ALERT IDIOT ALERT
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Russell did have strengths…you shoulda saw him Sunday nights at Art’s Crab Shack after a loss
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
how can someone bash the west coast offense? it’s proven pretty effective at winning superbowls no?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
We not winning a title with Palmer ever…especially in an offense like the WCO and with a OC like Knapp or getting plowed by dline with that zbs…not to mention dmac doesn’t fit that scheme
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Palmer & DMAC are Pro Bowlers in Knapp’s offense 2012
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I like M Colston. I think he will be considered a 2nd tier FA due to his Injurues.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
306.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Russell did have strengths…you shoulda saw him Sunday nights at Art’s Crab Shack after a loss
And then he went to Pier 39 and ate the seal and stole his coat!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
he went to Pier 39 and ate the seal and stole his coat!
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LOL @ Hwnrdr, nice one!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
RaiderPunk you are in no,position to tell me to root for someone else…..you from socal…I’m in the trenches up here at HOME IN OAKLAND…I go to every fkin game and will continue so I can say what ever the fk I want
February 17th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:18 am
306.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Russell did have strengths…you shoulda saw him Sunday nights at Art’s Crab Shack after a loss
And then he went to Pier 39 and ate the seal and stole his coat!
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LMAO
February 17th, 2012 at 10:21 am
Yawwwwwnnnn love your 49er offense Mark’s rug…guess what type of offenses have won the most in football? Go clip your bangs
February 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:19 am
RaiderPunk you are in no,position to tell me to root for someone else…..you from socal…I’m in the trenches up here at HOME IN OAKLAND…I go to every fkin game and will continue so I can say what ever the fk I want
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Wrong again. I’ve visited southern California a couple of times in my life (three, to be exact) but never lived there.
The question still remains: if you hate what the Raiders are doing so much, why remain a fan? Or is that you know that this will result in MORE winning, and you just like complaining?
Seriously, the next few seasons will be fine, as we gradually turn into a modern, successful football organization.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:23 am
Hahahahahahahah palmer will never make pro bowl again…dmac will prolly wanna leave cuz he doesn’t wanna be with knapp again…neither making trip to hawaii
February 17th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Actually, B…the WCO was originated by the Browns way back when…then it died, then Walsh brought it back…then it kinda died again…so…what’s so good about it? It’s supposed to be able to keep the chains moving, but defenses have been geared up for awhile to take the effectiveness away!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I can’t believe we can rush to judgment either way on the 2012 Raiders team. What we have today isn’t representative of the team. Give the coaching staff a chance. At least lets wait for free agency and the draft to rip the team dynamic.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
RaiderPunk…I’ve never been a fan and never will be…..I’m above that schit
February 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Hwnrdr its the Paul brown offense and you couldn’t use it in the 50s 60s or 70s becuz those defensive players would have killed ppl…pxssy rules allowed that to flourish
February 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
The most famous stopping of the WCO was Bill Parcells who beat the Niners 17-3 in 85 I believe…Parcells after the game said, “What do you think of the West Coast offense now?”
February 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
G123….fk givin 49ers a chance….2013 we will be fine but this season we won’t be good
February 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:27 am
RaiderPunk…I’ve never been a fan and never will be…..I’m above that schit
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Then why are you even on these boards if you don’t like the Raiders? You’re not “Charged Up,” are you?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:30 am
320.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Hwnrdr its the Paul brown offense and you couldn’t use it in the 50s 60s or 70s becuz those defensive players would have killed ppl…pxssy rules allowed that to flourish
True, hence dying…Walsh and Holmgren just made it famous…new rules, let’s bring it back!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Parcells= great man! Hates that type of football
February 17th, 2012 at 10:31 am
pxssy rules or not, it’s the new reality of the NFL. Pxssy rules don’t allow you to play the same way you used to in the 50’s, 60’s, and 70’s. Adapt or fail. You choose.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Brian the Genital, why are you arguing football with Peemore Bust’s newest and softest sock puppet, the Roasted Duck?
The Peemore Duck Muppet is only good for backhanding and humiliating, which is great because he freaks out and waves the white flag faster than you can say Krappy Kell’s Wife has a Bowl Cut.
I ruined him a few days ago while I was getting high on ganja with the Beeech Dawgettes, and he ran for the hills, tail between legs.
Surprised, actually, that Peemore fired him up again after that flame out. But that’s what blog zeros do with their muppets – throw them under the bus to save their own backs.
WIZZLE WIZZLE WHUT
February 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
RaiderPunk….just forget it….you not bright enough to understand it…but whenever you wanna jump back on your other screen names…be my guest lol
February 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
A change to wco is what doctor ordered? based on what? That offense is lame….zbs welcomes weak lineman….this season is shot….
wco doesn’t match palmer plus knapp is a noodle brain with a weak soul…..zbs is trash and totally kills veldheer…..it excuses lineman like satele and carlisle
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Veldheer was pretty solid in the ZBS during his rookie year. Same with Darren McFadden.
the Raiders are a run-first team and who better to run them than the most run-oriented OC of this decade?
Al Saunders & Hue Jackson were the ones that wanted Palmer to bomb it downfield. Heave it up for grabs for your WR to make a play. that resulted in all the INT’s you’re complaining about.
I agree that Knapp is less risky & creative than Hue Jackson, but I’d rather have a solid gameplan and disciplined players that execute it.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:34 am
There are reports stating me might not be able to retain M. Bush because he wants to be the starting back. The way I see it there is only 2 options we should be considering:
(1)keep him and let McFadden go for some draft picks
or
(2) Give him the starting job and have McFadden back him up
M. Bush is are most reliable and pysical running back in regards to staying on the field..
February 17th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Giants don’t play pxssy football? Hell Mike McCarthy changed offense to more upfield for Rodgers
February 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
RRS #329
Well said, knocked it outta park!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Master Beeecham Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Brian the Genital, why are you arguing football with Peemore Bust’s newest and softest sock puppet, the Roasted Duck?
The Peemore Duck Muppet is only good for backhanding and humiliating, which is great because he freaks out and waves the white flag faster than you can say Krappy Kell’s Wife has a Bowl Cut.
I ruined him a few days ago while I was getting high on ganja with the Beeech Dawgettes, and he ran for the hills, tail between legs.
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No, you were the one who ran scared when I asked you to back up your trash talk.
As for “ganja,” you don’t even know what the term means.
Now go back and cry to your mommy, and dream of the day you see someone other than her naked.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Steelers don’t play pxssy football…ravens don’t….real teams don’t play that….fk dink and dunk football and fk Greg Knapp
February 17th, 2012 at 10:36 am
330. Sorry but I disagree. Say g’bye to M. Bush. thanks for the memories.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:37 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:33 am
RaiderPunk….just forget it….you not bright enough to understand it…but whenever you wanna jump back on your other screen names…be my guest lol
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I don’t use other screen names. That’s your department.
Notice how you can’t argue without calling people names. If/when you grow up, you will find that adults don’t argue that way. Go ask your homeroom teacher about that, and you’ll see what I mean.
Now go play outside, as the adults are speaking.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
@Meth
Do you like the Texans offense?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
RRs…that’s a farce becuz Veldheer was doing more power to that scheme…that’s why hue was brought in by Al becuz of the power scheme…notice dmac’s rise that season? And Bombing up field is cool for good qbs Palmer isn’t good so Guest123…no nothing was knocked out of park…that was a grounder in the 6,4,3 double play for the b@uce
February 17th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Not sure if you guys saw this but this is pretty frickin cool. Sports Science on Justin Blackmon. Dude can catch an area the size of a 2 car garage….sounds like Megatron.
http://search.espn.go.com/sports-science/videos/6
February 17th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Cable’s style was getting phased out…notice how Veldheer ws beasting in run game one on one vs the DE/OLB in 2010? Next
February 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
MRduck….hahahahahaha my screen only changes when I get banned so again you make no sense
February 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
palmer will never make pro bowl again…dmac will prolly wanna leave cuz he doesn’t wanna be with knapp again…neither making trip to hawaii
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DMAC spent 1 year with Knapp (his rookie year) and he had a shoulder injury and turf toe on both feet.
Al Davis gave Justin Fargas a contract extension after his 1,000 yard season in ‘07 and placed him ahead of McFadden on the depth chart
Knapp was only play caller for 4 games in 2 years with Oakland. JaWalrus was his QB in all four of those games and we went 1-3. what did you expect?
Knapp was supposed to demand a different QB? get his magic wand out and make DMAC healthy? move DMAC up the depth chart, regardless of what Davis & Cable wanted?
Come on bro. It’s obvious you only hate on Greg Knapp because he’s a former 49er coach!!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:42 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:41 am
MRduck….hahahahahaha my screen only changes when I get banned so again you make no sense
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So don’t get banned. Engage in substantive, rational discussions, and it won’t happen.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Love how Peemore Duck the Muppet ends all of his timid comebacks with – “Go find your mommy and wah wah wah”
You can almost hear his knees knocking together while he waits to get ruined … yet again!
Oh yeah Sock Puppet – any more hilarious “questions” for me about my worldwide rap career? Love that you actually took the time to do that and then I just walked all over you instead!
Now try not to sprain your wrists switching back over to your Peemore Bust account to back you up.
SWIZZLE SWIZZLE FRESH, WRECK N EFFECT
February 17th, 2012 at 10:44 am
MrDuck……and your last line about adults are speaking has been said by me numerous times! As usual MR you love to copy others….its typical….archives will show I drop that on folks….get your own stuff….stop biting
February 17th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Master Beeecham Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Oh yeah Sock Puppet – any more hilarious “questions” for me about my worldwide rap career?
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In order to have a rap career, you have to have actually released something. You haven’t, and never will.
Ask your homeroom teacher to explain what a “career” is.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
MRDuck….I got banned becuz of btch ass posters like you snitchin…I’ll continue to be myself and make no apologies for it…Becker is a btch and Jerry is the biggest btch of all
February 17th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Steelers don’t …ravens don’t….real teams don’t play that…. dink and dunk football
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ROG,
most people think or thought that Cam Cameron would be fired. their entire offense is basically Ray Rice. did you watch the Pats game? terrible. By the way, the guy thats coaching up WR’s Boldin & Smith is Jim Hostler (49er coach)
Steelers OC is now Todd Haley. Who knows what to expect?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
RRS…that’s not true…Knapp was calling plays more than 4 games in 08…keep it real bruh…Cable didn’t call plays until 09
February 17th, 2012 at 10:49 am
So don’t get banned. Engage in substantive, rational discussions, and it won’t happen.
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So true. Good comment.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Boldin was dope way before Hostler….next…..Cam cameron is decent…lee evans catches ball…ravens win title period….next
February 17th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Aig wait to co sign like the true btch you are lmao…go pump more weights….build that confidence
February 17th, 2012 at 10:53 am
And AIG….feel proud for agreeing with blog troll MR….that is RaiderPunk…you couldn’t tell? Guess one of those loose weights hit ya in the dome
February 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
MRDuck….why do you have some many aliases? Scared to show us you have no life?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:56 am
*Just a reminder
February 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
RRS…..todd haley? U mean the guy big ben doesn’t want? Ya know 2 time sb winning 3 afc title having ben roesthislisberger? Hahahahahahahahaha think he knows better
February 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:55 am
MRDuck….why do you have some many aliases? Scared to show us you have no life?
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I have no other aliases here. I have never posted on this board as anything other than “RaiderDuck” (or “Raider Duck,” back before we had to register).
February 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Jerry old buddy its no use defending John H,…all he was to the end was a loyal employee doing what he was told. I knew him fairly well, had drinks with him in the west side club a few times, and talked to him briefly about him losing his wife, he was a really good dude that caught flack here from losers bitter and jealous that they havent a sniff of a life. They spend hours, days, years here on this blog, due to lack of any place else to be. Old man Kell is a washed up old fool who hasnt closed a real estate deal in years and can usually be found fetching lunch for the real sales staff or hes got a broom in his hand. RealMaddenRaider is approaching middle age and still lives in the same bedroom he grew up in and his big outing of the week is taking his mom to the grocery store after hes done cutting coupons out for her. Anyway, John H was a great guy who had the hardest job in the world, and he did it well.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:57 am
that’s a farce becuz Veldheer was doing more power to that scheme…that’s why hue was brought in by Al becuz of the power scheme…notice dmac’s rise that season? And Bombing up field is cool for good qbs Palmer isn’t good
Cable’s style was getting phased out…notice how Veldheer ws beasting in run game one on one vs the DE/OLB in 2010?
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Veldheer under Cable & Michalizak was 2010
Palmer doesn’t throw a good long ball, but Jason Campbell does? LOL!
hilarious man. you’re already sauced at 11am pacific?
February 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
YouWillGetBanned hahahahahahahahahahaha….tell me that’s not MR…..too easy in here hahahahahahahahahahahaha..MRDuck you been exposed….gosh on to my Friday…y’all enjoy the Sockpuppet Regime
February 17th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Knapp was calling plays more than 4 games in 08…keep it real bruh…Cable didn’t call plays until 09
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ROG,
I’m being honest. Look it up!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
We not winning a title with Palmer ever
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Dude, we haven’t won a title in like 30 years, and made the playoffs in 10 years.
I think a change was in order.
Will we win a title with Palmer and Knapp? Probably not.
Were we winning one with Hue and Soup? Nope, but it sure was fun having some meaningful football post Turkey Day.
And guess what? There will be meaningful football next year, and a home playoff game for you to attend!!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
“John H was a great guy who had the hardest job in the world, and he did it well.”
Great post AmysInCharge!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:00 am
I don’t know if DA is getting his message accross yet (or is even allowed to). Technically the players are on vacation. But I think this time next year, players will be put on notice that if you intend to play with dune buggies on the beach instead of run the beach, your on suicide watch.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
RRS….JC threw it up the field…he just didn’t gamble like Palmer did….no if someone thinks Palmer is a good qb then they are sauced….Palmer is awful….hope we draft Landry Jones or some good qb in 2013 draft……check y’all later….RaiderDuck is MR…remember that yall
February 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Seymour Duck the Muppet, that is also one of your classic nerd comebacks that I always smack right back down – go check with your teacher wah wah wah shouldn’t you be in class boo hoo
Honestly Seymour Duck, this new sock puppet isn’t working out very well for you.
He’s gotten backhanded at every turn and runs for the hills at the first sign of trouble.
I’ve got a kickass idea – how about for your next hilarious sock puppet, going with something totally original – The RaiderGoose.
KEEPIN’ IT REAL WITH MOET CHANDON AND TATER TOTS WHUT
February 17th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:58 am
YouWillGetBanned hahahahahahahahahahaha….tell me that’s not MR…..too easy in here hahahahahahahahahahahaha..MRDuck you been exposed….gosh on to my Friday…y’all enjoy the Sockpuppet Regime
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No. I have no idea who “You Will Get Banned” is. Certainly is not me.
But believe whatever you want, since I have no way of proving this to you at all. If you ever serve your country, you’ll understand what honor and duty means. Until then, there’s little hope for you.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Master Beeecham Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Seymour Duck the Muppet, that is also one of your classic nerd comebacks that I always smack right back down – go check with your teacher wah wah wah shouldn’t you be in class boo hoo
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Notice how he has still provided no evidence as to the existence of his laughable “worldwide rap career.” Instead, he just namecalls.
And he probably isn’t even in class today. If he were, he wouldn’t keep misspelling words like “what” and “keeping.”
Stop skipping school already.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Guarantee that this whole panic that we are going to the ZBS, won’t even be noticed during the game.
We were running plenty of ZBS the last two years anyways, and will run some power-scheme next year.
Won’t even be able to notice the difference.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Guarantee that this whole panic that we are going to the ZBS, won’t even be noticed during the game.
We were running plenty of ZBS the last two years anyways, and will run some power-scheme next year.
Won’t even be able to notice the difference.
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Exactly. Of far greater concern is Pollack and Classic Wiz’s ability to teach proper technique. Wiz will be fine, but not sure about Pollack yet.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:08 am
JC threw it up the field…he just didn’t gamble like Palmer did….no if someone thinks Palmer is a good qb then they are sauced….Palmer is awful….
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Campbell had one of the worst long balls I’ve seen in YEARS from a Raider QB. Can’t tell you how many underthrown passes I saw from that guy.
without Darren McFadden, JCamp looks an awful lot like Kyle Boller imo.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:13 am
YO BIG NEWS FROM THE BEEECH DIGGITY DAWG
Just got word from the Certified Platinum Posse that my luxury box to be at Farmer’s Field – future and permanent home of the LA Raiders – will ALSO have room for the newly modified PARTYBRO 8500 Mai Tai Maker!
Yes blog brahs, besides tasty margs from the PARTYDUDE 8000, me, the CPP, and the Beeech Dawgettes will also be enjoying Mai Tai Slurpees while the Raiders represent So Calj dominance!
WHUT WHUT BOOO YAH TRIBE
See, I was high on grass and getting this smokin hot stripper from behind when I banged her head into the PARTYBRO, causing the ice to turn to Slurpee slush.
Thats just how them big dawgs roll out, word
Can’t wait for opening day, already started buying Magnums in bulk from Costco
WRECKS N EFFECT GOIN WORLDWIDE
February 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
why do we spend so much time trying to calm down ROG?
it goes in one ear and out the other.
I’m done responding to his Palmer/Knapp/ZBS/WCO hatred
February 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
why do we spend so much time trying to calm down ROG?
it goes in one ear and out the other.
I’m done responding to his Palmer/Knapp/ZBS/WCO hatred
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Because we’re trying to make haters see reason. Might be a lost cause, actually.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I for one never understood the NATION’s strange deal with John Herrera. But in light of his service to the NATION, I give him a salute! Thank you and Godspeed…
February 17th, 2012 at 11:18 am
JLofty Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I for one never understood the NATION’s strange deal with John Herrera. But in light of his service to the NATION, I give him a salute! Thank you and Godspeed…
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It was because he did so many embarrassing things. Trying to punk out our MVP Rich Gannon. Trying to start a fistfight with a beat reporter. He was a symbol of the old way of doing things. Sweeping him aside was as much a necessity as getting rid of hangers-on like Routt and co.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
why do we spend so much time trying to calm down ROG?
it goes in one ear and out the other.
I’m done responding to his Palmer/Knapp/ZBS/WCO hatred
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Because we’re trying to make haters see reason. Might be a lost cause, actually.
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True on both counts. Sometimes we can’t help ourselves.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Not necessalrily true, Rockstar! Not necessarily true!
373.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:14 am
why do we spend so much time trying to calm down ROG?
it goes in one ear and out the other.
I’m done responding to his Palmer/Knapp/ZBS/WCO hatred
February 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Have we cut Wimbley yet?
February 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
On another note, Jlin is back on tonite. Jeremy Lin is going to transcend the NBA back to the old days. No not what you think….He is going to make it fashionable to play team bball again and play team basketball like how Magic and Bird were doing their things back in the day (at least back in my day). Been listening to NY talk radio and you’re now seeing how much pressure is on the superstar Melo to play team ball. I see an end of an era of Hip Hop/Tattoo me me me basketball. The fans will demand unselfish bball across the league. Have a good day gents.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Herrera did his job well?
Maybe it was a hard job that he had, but to say he did it well is a huge stretch.
A PR persons job is to project the best image possible or the operation he represents is it not? Especially to the media and fans.
The question to determine whether Herrera did a “good job” or not is to look at how he either enhanced or diminished the public perception of the Raiders during his tenure.
Raiders public relations couldn’t have been worse under his watch. His lack of control with reporters, his lashing out at a former MVP player with the team, both cast a very negative eye on the organization.
Great PR to call a major network reporter a “professional liar”. That really ensures the Raiders will get positive media coverage.
If his “job” was to make the Raiders look like a paranoid, angry organization than he did wonderful.
I do appreciate the fact he was a ‘loyal Raider’ but he brought nothing but negative perception to the Raiders. How is that effective PR?
February 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Have we cut Wimbley yet?
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Not yet, but I’d expect it to happen if he’s really dumb enough to refuse a restructure.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:25 am
You know what I thought was funny when I starting reading that we’d signed Brandon Underwood ???
A few sources said he was our replacement for Stanford Routt, LOL
They didn’t call BU a starter or anything like that, but maybe they mean he replaced him on the roster?
Still, I thought that was funny they assume a guy who sat out football last year would make the team without question. Are DVD & Chekwa locks to start next season? Is CJ37 coming back after the injuries and family tragedy at 32 years old and $3.5 million this year? how about Lito Sheppard? Joe Porter or Ron Parker, anyone? I don’t think so.
We could have 5 new CB’s on the roster by September imo
February 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Actually the only real negativity he may have brought on to the org was the Kawakami incident! The Gannon stuff, like the Kawakami incident was defending his boss! Other than that…he did what Al told him to do, and that he did really well!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:27 am
382.RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Have we cut Wimbley yet?
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Not yet, but I’d expect it to happen if he’s really dumb enough to refuse a restructure.
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Yep. The era of allowing the bloated contracts of underperforming players from preventing us signing real football players is OVER.
Huff….you are neeeeext.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:29 am
384.hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Actually the only real negativity he may have brought on to the org was the Kawakami incident! The Gannon stuff, like the Kawakami incident was defending his boss! Other than that…he did what Al told him to do, and that he did really well!
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Sounds like the same defense some “guys” tried to pull after WWII lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Q: Have we cut Wimbley yet?
A: Not yet, but I’d expect it to happen if he’s really dumb enough to refuse a restructure.
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8/1/2011: Signed a five-year, $48 million contract. The deal contains $29 million guaranteed, including Wimbley’s 2011 salary and $6.5 million if his 2012 salary. Wimbley’s full 2012 salary becomes guaranteed if he’s on the roster through March 17 of that year. 2012-2013: $11 million, 2014: $10 million, 2015: $11.5 million, 2016: Free Agent
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if Wimbley is getting axed, expect it within the next month or so, when he’s due that $6.5mil on 03/17/12
$29 million guaranteed absorbed though? that might sting a little!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:31 am
The era of allowing the bloated contracts of underperforming players from preventing us signing real football players is OVER
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repost from earlier
Thank you Jesus!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:32 am
$$ CRUNCH..RESTRUCTURE OR WALK..
February 17th, 2012 at 11:32 am
I bet Herrera could write a great book about his time with the org.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
7/31/2011: Signed a four-year, $32 million contract. The deal included $16 million in the first year. 2012: $4 million (+ $4 million roster bonus due 3/16), 2013-2014: $4 million, 2015: Free Agent
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Dakota,
Huff has a $4 million roster bonus due 03/16
We paid him $16 mil last year?
sweet mama!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Geoff Hobson @GeoffHobsonCin
#Bengals add former Raiders HC Hue Jackson to staff as asst. to defense and sp. teams. Coached Cincy WRs 04-06
February 17th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Huff & Wimbley can both walk the plank if we’re gonna save another $10+ million
February 17th, 2012 at 11:35 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Geoff Hobson @GeoffHobsonCin
#Bengals add former Raiders HC Hue Jackson to staff as asst. to defense and sp. teams. Coached Cincy WRs 04-06
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So Hue finally got an NFL job. Who knew? Good for him.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Cincinnati Bengals @Bengals
Team announces former #Bengals WR coach and ex-Raiders HC Hue Jackson is joining Bengals as asst. coach helping secondary and special teams.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:37 am
392.YoungAmerican Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Geoff Hobson @GeoffHobsonCin
#Bengals add former Raiders HC Hue Jackson to staff as asst. to defense and sp. teams. Coached Cincy WRs 04-06
And we play them this year!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Geoff Hobson @GeoffHobsonCin
#Bengals add former Raiders HC Hue Jackson to staff as asst. to defense and sp. teams. Coached Cincy WRs 04-06
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YA,
you’ve got to be kidding me. Hue Jax has been coaching since 1987 and he’s NEVER coached defense at any position or in any capacity
February 17th, 2012 at 11:42 am
Hue Jax is basically the asst DB Coach to Mark Carrier, then?
and the asst ST Coach to Darrin Simmons?
he inherits Pacman Jones, Taylor Mays & Gibril Wilson. LOL
by the way, where the BLEEP was Hue when our defense & special teams needed a lift?
February 17th, 2012 at 11:43 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:42 am
by the way, where the BLEEP was Hue when our defense & special teams needed a lift?
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Getting his toenails done…
February 17th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Mike Jurecki if XTRA Phoenix floats the possibility of the Cardinals pursuing OLB Kam Wimbley should the Raiders release him.
Jurecki notes that Arizona had interest in Wimbley two years ago, before he was traded from Cleveland to Oakland. The Cardinals reportedly would have been “in the mix” had the Raiders not offered a second-day draft pick. Oakland is trying to shed salary quickly, and Wimbley’s is a prohibitive $11 million.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Bengals hired Hue Jackson as an assistant special teams/secondary coach.
Jackson had to settle for a low-level assistant job after essentially being black-balled following a year-ending press conference in Oakland that was negatively perceived around the NFL. A former receivers coach in Cincinnati, Jackson has a background with Marvin Lewis. He may attempt to reenter the coordinator ranks next offseason. His “market” appeal was shot for 2012.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:45 am
Carson Palmer gets to play against the Bungles.
Hue Jackson isn’t going to do anything to keep him from throwing 400 yards and 4 TD’s in a revenge game against Mike, Pete & Paul Brown!!
February 17th, 2012 at 11:46 am
The wc offense has only been around since the 80s .. What are you talking about it obviously works
February 17th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Oh that was.for 314
February 17th, 2012 at 11:47 am
I guess we can rule out Palmer trying to follow Hue.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Palmers our guy. Its time to stand bye your man ppl.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Geoff Hobson @GeoffHobsonCin
#Bengals add former Raiders HC Hue Jackson to staff as asst. to defense and sp. teams. Coached Cincy WRs 04-06
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Well, at least Hue will still get his cool $2 million from the Raiders while playing errand boy for the DC and Special Teams coach.
Still….Must be difficult going from running an NFL team to assistant to multiple coordinators. Like starting all over for him.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
JR Smith to NY? Bummer.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:53 am
Still….Must be difficult going from running an NFL team to assistant to multiple coordinators. Like starting all over for him.
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I hope seeing his vitriol in Mike Silver’s article was worth it for him. Betcha Silver won’t even return his calls now.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:56 am
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February 17th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Marks Hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Palmers our guy. Its time to stand bye your man ppl.
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This is the Raiders blog.People don’t stand by the players,they pick ones out,rip them to shreds,then move on to someone else.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“Palmers our guy. Its time to stand bye your man ppl.”
I am in!!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami
Hue Jackson to Cincinnati as secondary/special teams coach? There’s your back-door thank you from Mike Brown for those CPalmer draft picks.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Of course Herrera wasn’t the problem, Al was the problem, and Herrera was just a symptom of the real issue.
But you can’t get a fresh start without cleaning house.
Good for you Mark.
Now the question is…..is Amy Trask safe? Did Al include her in his will, like he mentioned at his presser? Or does Mark recognize her abilities? Maybe Mark was jealous of his Dad’s seemingly close relationship with Trask?
Still some drama left in Alameda.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
Of course Herrera wasn’t the problem, Al was the problem, and Herrera was just a symptom of the real issue.
But you can’t get a fresh start without cleaning house.
Good for you Mark.
Now the question is…..is Amy Trask safe? Did Al include her in his will, like he mentioned at his presser? Or does Mark recognize her abilities? Maybe Mark was jealous of his Dad’s seemingly close relationship with Trask?
Still some drama left in Alameda.
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What reliable source is there that Mark Davis was jealous of anything?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
I agree with those who say this was something Mark had to do because his father diminished Mark in Herrara’s view. Herrara was completely loyal to Al but now Mark needs people around him who were not so loyal to the old King. Al was a great man, probably the most intelligent and insightful person ever involved with professional football, but he was also a paranoid micromanager who demanded total loyalty from his administrative employees. That loyalty is so ingrained in Herrara that there was a very good chance that Mark, as Al’s son, would be never anything but “junior” to Herrara.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Looks like hue jackdon will join the bungles
February 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
406.Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Palmers our guy. Its time to stand bye your man ppl.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Hey Marks Hair,
You sure you aren’t Tammy Wynette, lol ??
February 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Lets say this…if Mark lets Trask go, yes, it will truly be an end to an era, and yes, he possibly despises what his dad did to him…however, if Mark does let Trask go, he’s gonna sell! Because I don’t think he can do what Amy does!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami
So it turned out to be Carson Palmer to the Raiders for a 1, a 2 and Hue Jackson. Maybe THAT’S the greatest trade in football.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Duck,
Just speculation….hence the question marks and the maybes.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Bengals hired Hue Jackson as an assistant special teams/secondary coach.
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It’s good to have friends in the league. Marvin Lewis is one of Huebert’s best friends. The guy is coaching defensive backs. Now, how many of you came in here and told me he doesn’t know anything about defense? That he is an offensive coach? Please submit your blog resignations.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Something our new coaching staff better watch out for when playing the bungholes next year…….fake punts and FGs lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Tim Kawakami @timkawakami
So it turned out to be Carson Palmer to the Raiders for a 1, a 2 and Hue Jackson. Maybe THAT’S the greatest trade in football.
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the Raiders will win more games in 2012 than the Bengals.
print it
February 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:58 am
“Palmers our guy. Its time to stand bye your man ppl.”
I am in!!
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Where is this Palmer overrating coming from? Geez. Palmer sucks. You guys drank that Hue Palmer hype Kool aid. We should hope they cut him and his $12.5 owed this year. Especially since they are changing to a WCO.
Come back to reality please. Don’t forget Palmer had Ocho in his prime.
Aaron Brooks what??
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
February 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Something our new coaching staff better watch out for when playing the bungholes next year…….fake punts and FGs
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Yup
let’s be real for a second though. Seabass, Shane, Condo, Cartwright & Myers are all EXCELLENT special teamers and Bones found a new job as ST Coach like 2 days after his contract with us was up!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Of course HueJax got a Defense/ST coaches job…he did such a great job taking control of the one here last year.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Hue Jackson has been hired buy the Bengals as an assistant coach helping the secondary and special teams.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
“Where is this Palmer overrating coming from? Geez. Palmer sucks. You guys drank that Hue Palmer hype Kool aid. We should hope they cut him and his $12.5 owed this year. Especially since they are changing to a WCO.
Come back to reality please. Don’t forget Palmer had Ocho in his prime.”
Yes you have an opinion and so does everyone else and guess what it still smells like ass!
So you hate Palmer who would you replace him with being the super blog GM that you are?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
411. Ha. Osee my bad
February 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Where is this Palmer overrating coming from? Geez. Palmer sucks. You guys drank that Hue Palmer hype Kool aid. We should hope they cut him and his $12.5 owed this year. Especially since they are changing to a WCO.
Come back to reality please. Don’t forget Palmer had Ocho in his prime.
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Raid,
Chad Johnson sucks. Hue Jackson does too
Palmer will be better in the WCO, especially with a full offseason under his belt
February 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Wow. What a reduction to the money the Raider’s will have to still pay HJ. Let’s see, Subtract $40,000 from $2.mil.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
let’s be real for a second though. Seabass, Shane, Condo, Cartwright & Myers are all EXCELLENT special teamers and Bones found a new job as ST Coach like 2 days after his contract with us was up!
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You can tell which assistants were highly regarded around the league by who got poached right away (Waufle, Fassel, Lal) and who wasn’t (everybody else including Wylie, surprisingly enough).
February 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Wow, what floor are we on again? Talk about a kick in the nuts. Let me get this straight.
Hue jack wrecks our locker room and sends the season careening out of control like a locomotive coming off the tracks, with his dogged determination to infuse these miserable bungles into the fold. Flames out in rather unspectacular and inglorious fashion. He trades our draft picks, unceremoniously dumps the team captain, and best qb we have had since gannon via text message and espn sound bites. proceeds to blow smoke up the wazoo of every raider fan that would listen about palmer and this elite qb bs. Gets axed and now goes back to the bungles??!?!?
UNREAL!!! Maybe mike brown hooked him up with a gig as a thank you for allowing brown to fleece the silver and black for our picks and at the same time taking on cinci’s sloppy seconds qb refuse.
AL DAVIS IS TURNING OVER IN HIS GRAVE, AND I AM ABOUT TO LAY DOWN RIGHT NEXT TO HIM!!
EFF UUU BABY HUEY
February 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
“Of course HueJax got a Defense/ST coaches job…he did such a great job taking control of the one here last year.”
We can all see how desperate of a reach it is to hire him on as a secondary coach. I get that Marvin likes him and this was probably a sympathy hire.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
So how soon before Hue starts trashing the Raiders, Carson Palmer, and the trade that Mark Davis orchestrated?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
HUE JACKSON WHEN YOU WERE HIRED I THOUGHT WE WERE IN LOCK STEP, NOW I KNOW IT WAS ACTUALLY LOCK JAW. YOU AND THE BUNGLES DESERVE ONE ANOTHER
February 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
“Of course HueJax got a Defense/ST coaches job…he did such a great job taking control of the one here last year.”
We can all see how desperate of a reach it is to hire him on as a secondary coach. I get that Marvin likes him and this was probably a sympathy hire.
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one hand washing the other….WOW
February 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
So Jackson ends up with his OLD team and is going to assist new secondary coach Mark Carrier as well as special teams coach Darrin Simmons. He says “I’ve got a lot to learn, but who better to learn from than Marvin Lewis and Mike Zimmer? Those are two guys that I know and I’m comfortable with and Darrin is one the better special teams coaches in the league.” So he DOESN’T know that much about the defensive side, and meantime, he couldn’t wind up anywhere as an offensive coordinator.
Cable goes to a NEW team as Assistant Head Coach and Offensive Line Coach. Seems like Cable had a much softer landing and is much better thought of than Hue.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
I am fuggin pizzed!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I personally like Palmer and believe that he will be great next year. He is the driving force behind me renewing my tickets for next year.
Now let the bashing begin……
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Mistic,
As you would say:
Hue Jackson owns you
You went all in on that guy, and you let him cast his spell on you.
Your smarter than that.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Hue Jackson returns to the Bengals
Posted by Mike Florio on February 17, 2012, 3:00 PM EST
APApparently, the trade that sent Bengals quarterback Carson Palmer to the Raiders also included a coach to be named later.
The Bengals have announced that former Raiders head coach Hue Jackson has been hired. He’ll serve as an assistant coach helping the secondary and special teams.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely
Marks Hair, 406
Silverandblack666, 412
Dedicated to Marks and Silver from Sweet Tammy:
“Stand by your man
And tell the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man”
February 17th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I personally like Palmer and believe that he will be great next year. He is the driving force behind me renewing my tickets for next year.
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Palmer gives me more hope for the season than I have had in a long time.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
So how soon before Hue starts trashing the Raiders, Carson Palmer, and the trade that Mark Davis orchestrated?
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do asst ST coaches & asst DB coaches get many interviews?
If so, get Clayton Lopez & Keith Burns the mic!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Why didn’t Hue just take a year off, he was getting paid anyways he could have worked on repairing his image so that next year at this time He could be in a conversation about HC vacancies in the league.
This does not make sense did Marvin need him or was he just sympathetic to Hue’s situation?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
“Palmer gives me more hope for the season than I have had in a long time.”
Me too!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Where is this Palmer overrating coming from? Geez. Palmer sucks. You guys drank that Hue Palmer hype Kool aid. We should hope they cut him and his $12.5 owed this year. Especially since they are changing to a WCO.
Come back to reality please. Don’t forget Palmer had Ocho in his prime.
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Raid,
Chad Johnson sucks. Hue Jackson does too
Palmer will be better in the WCO, especially with a full offseason under his belt
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Yeah he sucks now but Ocho used to be one of the top WR’s in the NFL. You know this. Stop the nonsense.
Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Mistic,
As you would say:
Hue Jackson owns you
You went all in on that guy, and you let him cast his spell on you.
Your smarter than that.
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owned me like a lil biatch
February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
That hubert hire sure looks like the buddy system.. Coaches fraternity..
February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
We can all see how desperate of a reach it is to hire him on as a secondary coach. I get that Marvin likes him and this was probably a sympathy hire.
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February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Guess who immediately hopped a flight to Cincy… Stanford Routt, guess Hue didn’t lose the ‘whole’ lockerroom.
Mistic is a flip-flopper. The only reason he flipped on Hue was because Hue didn’t like JC. Nothing else would have mattered if Hue would have continued to kiss JCs ass
February 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
When Mike Brown thinks you did a crappy job as a GM, that is saying something.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Mike Brown:”Welcome back home Hue. I’ll have Bruce Gradkowski show you around and introduce to a few fellows. Need a locker? There is an empty one with the initials C.P. over there.”
February 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Richard Bentley Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Cable goes to a NEW team as Assistant Head Coach and Offensive Line Coach. Seems like Cable had a much softer landing and is much better thought of than Hue.
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Part of this is because Cable’s season-ending statements were a lot milder than Hue’s, and because he didn’t go running to Mike Silver to dish up a lot of real and/or imagined dirt.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
Well guys, at least Hubert can start his Pimpin Magnificent all over again if he really was hired by the Bengals. He’s excellent at scraping, scratching, twisting and flipping. Also with such a thick skull he can get cracked over the head, and take it.
The problem is there is not addle-pated old owner in the final stages of dementia who Hue can fool. Guess that leaves him running a water boy and changer of weights.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
That’s right, Hue and Gradkowski back together again, lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Assuming Bush is a goner….
Clinton Portis anyone?
Imagine he’s come cheap, he’s 30 and supposedly healthy.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
blaming herrera 4 the raiders problems, is like blaming tiger woods when your rolex brakes.. it’s just venomous people wanting to sink their teeth into someone..
February 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I said we should have signed Portis when DMac got hurt, if for nothing else than the fact that he is a nasty pass protector. Wouldn’t get much more than a few draw plays here or there out of him.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Hahahahaha RrS…out one ear jazz lol…funny stuff…but funnier is your claim Palmer is better in WCO when u guys were saying he would be betterwith last year offense after full year under belt….you palmer lackeys are hopeless….you can’t even explain why Palmer is better suited for wco becuz you know you will dig yourself a hole lmao
February 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.
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Raid,
so Palmer hasn’t learned anything in the last 10 or 11 years?
Paul Hackett = Greg Knapp?
you know a lot can happen between being a soph or junior in college and being a 10 year NFL vet who was the #1 overall draft pick and 2x Pro Bowler.
Palmer has started all 16 games at QB 5 times during his NFL career and every time has thrown for over 3,000 yards & 20 TD’s
February 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Man just like Hue to land on his feet. Best Ribs in Cincy, Montgomery Inn. BBQ to die for. lol
http://www.montgomeryinn.com
February 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
The fact that Saunders was kept around was all the proof I need to know we aren’t running a full WCO.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
I love this whole WCO/Palmer thing, as if Knapp is going to have him running naked bootlegs and a ton of roll-out passes.
Newsflash, the offense won’t look much different than last year, other than less turnovers and penalties.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bcz…Portis huh? Interesting I say…maybe a new shot woulda motivated him some
February 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Just to add: The Bengals made the playoffs this year. And Marvin hired Hue, but he put him in a position where he couldn’t screw the team up – on the end of the bench. Like someone said, a sympathy hire. Smart of Marvin to position him that way. Plus with the added first this year and the second next year, they’re a team that is going to move up in a tough division. Zimmer is a very good defensive coordinator and Chucky’s brother is the offensive coordinator – still a little raw but he is growing into the position. Jackson has no future on that team and he knows it.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
I said we should have signed Portis when DMac got hurt, if for nothing else than the fact that he is a nasty pass protector. Wouldn’t get much more than a few draw plays here or there out of him.
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I’d be curious to know if anything was left in the tank.
Strictly as a back up.
Looking at His history, He fell off the table due to injury in 09 and 10, but was very productive until that time.
I’d take a flyer.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
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February 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
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February 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RrS…..has nada to do with Palmer learning anything new…if something doesn’t fit your talent it never works….I keep using Drew Bleslow as an example from the late 90s and you Palmer lovers have no rebuttal…and we know Drew is way better than Carson ever was
February 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
Guess who immediately hopped a flight to Cincy… Stanford Routt, guess Hue didn’t lose the ‘whole’ lockerroom.
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BCZ,
I’ll take Nate Clements, Leon Hall or Kelly Jennings as a consolation for “losing” Routt!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.”
Which is why he won the Heisman trophy and was the first pick in the draft!
So either you are delusional or the rest of the football world is….hmmmm
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
new post
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RrS…..has nada to do with Palmer learning anything new…if something doesn’t fit your talent it never works….I keep using Drew Bleslow as an example from the late 90s and you Palmer lovers have no rebuttal…and we know Drew is way better than Carson ever was
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and you also said Tebow was a better QB because he won a playoff game, wtf man.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Portis could definitely bring something to the table for us. Like I said he is a nasty pass protector, we don’t need him to be a 1000 yard rusher, if we got 500 out of him it would be fantastic.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.
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Raid,
so Palmer hasn’t learned anything in the last 10 or 11 years?
Paul Hackett = Greg Knapp?
you know a lot can happen between being a soph or junior in college and being a 10 year NFL vet who was the #1 overall draft pick and 2x Pro Bowler.
Palmer has started all 16 games at QB 5 times during his NFL career and every time has thrown for over 3,000 yards & 20 TD’s
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Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
You think Aaron Brooks was any good? Most would say no. Raiders have an Aaroon Brooks caliber QB making $12.5 million a year and that’s just ridiculous. He should be shown the door just like Routt.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
462. The wc O takes what the defense give them.. Teams respect our wr speed and generally pic their poison in coverage.. I think the option routes in the wc will allow carson to pic apart a secondary rather than force the ball where hue wants it..
February 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
dbaz09 Says:
February 16th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
From a fan’s perspective, Herrera represented all that was wrong with the Raiders during the last ten years. Paranoid, secretive, overly defensive and down right nasty in the same manner Davis would be if he were in better health. The Kawakami incident comes to mind but the handling of Gannon situation reinforced the bizarro image in which the organization operated. And all that might have been if o.k. as long as the team won. The fact that they didn’t probably made things appear worse than they actually were. Interesting to hear JMac’s take on the man but the perception remains the same… Herrera had to go.
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Exactly. I commend this and many other common sensical posts on this topic. Finally those of us who sought big changes–who knew it was the only solution–have a great deal of company. And we’ve been vindicated by just about every decision coming down.
As for “being just another franchise” (i.e. corporatized), you can thank the relentless growth and greed of the NFL for that reality. You either keep up or fall behind. We fell behind. The future is bright.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
only a bunch of whiner fans hated herrera…guy was/is what a raider fan should be….
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