Hue Jackson finds a job with the Bengals
By Jon Becker
Friday, February 17th, 2012 at 12:34 pm in Oakland Raiders.
(From our online story that we posted earlier):
Hue Jackson, who was fired by the Raiders after finishing 8-8 in his only season as Oakland’s head coach, has been hired by the Cincinnati Bengals as an assistant coach.
Jackson, ironically, helped engineer a trade with the Bengals that reunited him with quarterback Carson Palmer in Oakland.
Although Jackson has an extensive history as an offensive assistant, including time spent as a wide receivers coach in Cincinnati, the Bengals announced they’ve hired him as as assistant secondary and special teams coach.
“Hue is a tremendous addition to our staff,” said Bengals head coach Marvin Lewis in a released statement. “I relied on Hue greatly when he was with us, and his success overall in the NFL, including being selected for a head coaching position, is well documented. He has expertise in all aspects of the game, and we are fortunate to have obtained his services.”
New Raiders general manager Reggie McKenzie fired Jackson as head coach on Jan. 10 and later replaced him with Denver Broncos defensive coordinator Dennis Allen.
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February 17th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Hue Jackson
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Who?????
February 17th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Palmer stinks
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Playoffs
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
“Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.”
Which is why he won the Heisman trophy and was the first pick in the draft!
So either you are delusional or the rest of the football world is….hmmmm
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
With his recent history, I’ll expect the Bungholes to attempt at least one fake punt or fake FG every game.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is a great player get over it!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Guess who immediately hopped a flight to Cincy… Stanford Routt, guess Hue didn’t lose the ‘whole’ lockerroom.
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BCZ,
I’ll take Nate Clements, Leon Hall or Kelly Jennings as a consolation for “losing” Routt!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Good for Hue. Glad he landed on his feet. Say what you will but he helped turn this team around and contrary to what many people think, he did get us a franchise elite type QB that should serve us well for the next 3-5 years.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Dstomp Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
RrS…..has nada to do with Palmer learning anything new…if something doesn’t fit your talent it never works….I keep using Drew Bleslow as an example from the late 90s and you Palmer lovers have no rebuttal…and we know Drew is way better than Carson ever was
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and you also said Tebow was a better QB because he won a playoff game, wtf man.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I’ll buy that Raiders playoff ticket off you right now for 50% of the price.
If they don’t make the playoffs, you pocket the cash.
If they do, I get 50% off a playoff ticket (perferably 2, lol)
Would you make this deal?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
good luck Hue
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
SilverandBlack…Palmer’s Heisman year was such a joke plus the offense was changed in 02 by norm chow to heighten Palmer’s strong points….this is fact
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Leon Hall is coming off a nasty ACL, but he will be their #1 putting Routt back to where he belongs as a #2 CB. Clements is going on his 12th year, good veteran leadership but I doubt he would be more than a Nickle for us.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Branch on a flight there too :/
Branch wouldn’t go cincy would he?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
NICE ONE JFB POST-1..WHO JACKSON..
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
I’ll buy that Raiders playoff ticket off you right now for 50% of the price.
If they don’t make the playoffs, you pocket the cash.
If they do, I get 50% off a playoff ticket (perferably 2, lol)
Would you make this deal?
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Gotta respect a guy that puts His money where His mouth is.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Tebow beat Palmer…win div and wins home playoff game…..Drew Bledslow….well do I need to go there? Wtf man
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Hue Jackson did one thing no other coach has accomplished, even with the discounts, he sold out all 8 games. The extra 160,000 in attendance and what they spent sure helped the bottom line.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Vegas Ill bite on that with ease
February 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Palmer will be just fine guys. He really will be. McFadden in the backfield and all the WR core healthy, it will be easy for him to play within himself and make far less mistakes with the off-season camps and all.
Despise USC, but Palmer will be around 8-12th best QB in league next year, I really think so.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
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Raid,
that has nothing to do with anything that I wrote. Congrats!
you and ROG must be related, but at least he stays on topic
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Vegas….with Palmer starting at Qb we won’t win more than 6-7 games this year……we rebuilding so 2013 will be better
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
“SilverandBlack…Palmer’s Heisman year was such a joke plus the offense was changed in 02 by norm chow to heighten Palmer’s strong points….this is fact”
Then its up to Knapp to change the offense and heighten Palmer’s strong points.
If it was done before it can be done again.
I believe that he will have a great season next year and yes I understand that some here do not think that is the case.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Leon Hall is coming off a nasty ACL, but he will be their #1 putting Routt back to where he belongs as a #2 CB. Clements is going on his 12th year, good veteran leadership but I doubt he would be more than a Nickle for us.
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Once Clements lost a step He got roasted consistently.
Good run support CB though.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Tebow beat Palmer…win div and wins home playoff game…..Drew Bledslow….well do I need to go there? Wtf man
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Tebow didn’t beat Palmer, its a team game…… there is no way in hell you can actually think Tebow is a better QB then Palmer…. no way.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue did sell the joint out, or at least helped.
That’s what good salesmen do, they sell.
Great salesmen, sell, and also produce.
F off Hue!!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
Branch on a flight there too :/
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that can’t be true, that would be tampering
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue is a such a btch…I hate his guts
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Vegas Ill bite on that with ease
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raidersfanlv@yahoo.com
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
I’m sorry Miss Jackson !!!!! huuuuuuuuuuu, Your bully aint reallllllllllll !!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
The Raider’s pay the difference between HJ’s Bungle pay and what they owe him. So they DO NOT save $1.6 mil
February 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
EXLA POST-18,THAT IS TRUE.A LITTLE CREATIVE MARKETING HELPED ALSO WITH 2 FOR 1 TIX OFFERS AND SUCH..
February 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Then its up to Knapp to change the offense and heighten Palmer’s strong points.
If it was done before it can be done again.
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Which is exactly why Al Saunders was retained.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
6.Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Palmer is a great player get over it!
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I’m a gonna….Stand By My Man, CP:
“Stand by your man
Give him two arms to cling to
And something warm to come to
When nights are cold and lonely
“Stand by your man
And tell the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man
Stand by your man
And show the world you love him
Keep giving all the love you can
Stand by your man”
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Did Routt land somewhere? I must have missed that. Where?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Clements is going on his 12th year, good veteran leadership but I doubt he would be more than a Nickle for us.
Once Clements lost a step He got roasted consistently.
Good run support CB though.
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We’re gonna need a vet CB back there that isn’t named CJ37 or Sheppard imo. Pretty sure Nate would come cheap too
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Stomper….name the position in football that gets w-l attached to their line? Hmmmmmmmmm… thanks buddy
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Speaking of Tebow, everytime I think of Huff to cornerback, I think of Tim fkn Tebow licking his chops pre-snap with Huff on Decker, and preceeding to roast Huff by about 5 yards for a TD.
No thanks. I would rather Huff go back to covering kickoffs than move to CB.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
31.exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
The Raider’s pay the difference between HJ’s Bungle pay and what they owe him. So they DO NOT save $1.6 mil
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Don’t come to conclusions Ticketholder, unless you have a copy of Hue’s contract with the Raiders detailing terms and conditions of Raiders’ liability toward Hue’s salary.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
was huff covering decker on that play? I thought he was lined up at safety and picked him up off the zone release. I could be wrong, Ill have to go look
February 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Palmer will be just fine guys. He really will be. McFadden in the backfield and all the WR core healthy, it will be easy for him to play within himself and make far less mistakes with the off-season camps and all.
Despise USC, but Palmer will be around 8-12th best QB in league next year, I really think so.
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I know its hard for you to see reality while living in beautiful Hawaii my friend…life just flows easy over that way so grim realities you may be oblivious to…..make far better decisions? He never has lol
February 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Huff will be cut. He has to. Reggie and Allen are prob on their 3rd time aorund watching every game, by then they notice he is paid like a top 5 safety and wa shurt and when he played cant tackle and out of position.
Branch is all over on film.
I guess its all up to allen and reggie to decide. I expect Giordano back as he won a ring with allen in new orleans.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Stomper….name the position in football that gets w-l attached to their line? Hmmmmmmmmm… thanks buddy
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yeah, I get that, but that doesn’t mean that is the right (or only) way to compare players. you seem to have a good football mind, so i’m having a hard time believing you actually think tebow is better than palmer
February 17th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
RaiderRockstar, #36
What about Boyd, Jerome Boyd ?? We can convert him to CB.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
I think al saunders was retained to install opposing offenses on the scout team
February 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Then its up to Knapp to change the offense and heighten Palmer’s strong points.
If it was done before it can be done again.
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Which is exactly why Al Saunders was retained.
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This.
Coaches earn respect among their peers by taking the hand they are dealt and maximizing production.
DA is an example of this.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
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Raid,
that has nothing to do with anything that I wrote. Congrats!
you and ROG must be related, but at least he stays on topic
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Yawwwwwwwwwwwwwwwwnnnnn explain how palmer works in wco
February 17th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Boyd is like yesterday’s trash. Something that needs to go. He’s terrible. Never to return to a RM team.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Palmer can make all the throws…hell pretty passes at that….but he not a winner…thats the problem
February 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
What about Boyd, Jerome Boyd ?? We can convert him to CB
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LOL!
I wouldn’t attempt to convert Boyd into anything other than maybe ST gunner. thats the max goal for him if he wants to remain in the NFL
February 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
48.JB Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Boyd is like yesterday’s trash. Something that needs to go. He’s terrible. Never to return to a RM team.
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JB, I was joking, lol, about Boyd.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Hope branch doesnt sign with bungles :/
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Carson Palmer played in the West Coast offense in USC under Paul Hackett and was an absolute disaster.
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Raid,
so Palmer hasn’t learned anything in the last 10 or 11 years?
Paul Hackett = Greg Knapp?
you know a lot can happen between being a soph or junior in college and being a 10 year NFL vet who was the #1 overall draft pick and 2x Pro Bowler.
Palmer has started all 16 games at QB 5 times during his NFL career and every time has thrown for over 3,000 yards & 20 TD’s
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Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
You think Aaron Brooks was any good? Most would say no. Raiders have an Aaroon Brooks caliber QB making $12.5 million a year and that’s just ridiculous. He should be shown the door just like Routt.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Mike Jurecki if XTRA Phoenix floats the possibility of the Cardinals pursuing OLB Kam Wimbley should the Raiders release him.
Jurecki notes that Arizona had interest in Wimbley two years ago, before he was traded from Cleveland to Oakland. The Cardinals reportedly would have been “in the mix” had the Raiders not offered a second-day draft pick. Oakland is trying to shed salary quickly, and Wimbley’s is a prohibitive $11 million.
Related: Cardinals
Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter Feb 17 – 2:34 PM
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
Clements is going on his 12th year, good veteran leadership but I doubt he would be more than a Nickle for us.
Once Clements lost a step He got roasted consistently.
Good run support CB though.
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We’re gonna need a vet CB back there that isn’t named CJ37 or Sheppard imo. Pretty sure Nate would come cheap too
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I’m down with whomever is brought in. I expect that this staff will maximize strengths and minimize weakness.
If Clements fits into the scheme…lets do it.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Norm Chow did wonders down there in SC…now he is the HC in Hawaii! Bye bye run and shoot!
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
“SilverandBlack…Palmer’s Heisman year was such a joke plus the offense was changed in 02 by norm chow to heighten Palmer’s strong points….this is fact”
Then its up to Knapp to change the offense and heighten Palmer’s strong points.
If it was done before it can be done again.
I believe that he will have a great season next year and yes I understand that some here do not think that is the case.
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Norm Chow made Vince Young a pro bowler,,,,,Chow over Knapp all day every day…Knapp sux and his 49er as always will be
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Don’t come to conclusions Ticketholder, unless you have a copy of Hue’s contract with the Raiders detailing terms and conditions of Raiders’ liability toward Hue’s salary.
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Do you really think the Bungles are going to pay an assistant $2mil. Corkran said they were on the hook for his balance. Most contracts in the NFL contain language expressly containing reduction of salary obligation clauses.. Useless argument.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Palmer can make all the throws… pretty passes at that
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ROG,
thanks for your support!
Sincerely,
RRS
Carson Palmer fan #998,774,562
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@ 41.
annoying that where i live comes into question when i try to talk football.
Im sure where you live the mold in your shower and meth fumes from the unit next door combined with the roach droppings in your fridge make your “opinons” always right.
its as if you are the only one right in this blog.
I can tell that means a lot to you, maybe steve will send you a trophy to mount above your spider sheets covered mattress on the floor.
credibility is looming large for you.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
And what about Shepard, Lito Shepard ? He is key. The entire defense turns on him !
February 17th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Hwnrdr…Hawaii football will be back in bcs game again…Norm is a offensive guru….always has been
February 17th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@ method …
dont back Chow, he is from Hawaii.
ahhhhhhh hypocrite.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Palmer clearly anticipates well.
He throws ON TIME.
WR’s and Palmer need to get patterns and timing down.
February 17th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Raiderinparadise,
You are in Hawaii ? Excellent ! How is the weather there now?
February 17th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Hope branch doesnt sign with bungles :/
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RM will sign him to a long term deal or tag him. Either way, he remains a Raider.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
62.Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Hwnrdr…Hawaii football will be back in bcs game again…Norm is a offensive guru….always has been
I know…I was happy when my dad called me to tell me that Norm Chow was accepting the HC job there…glad they finally got rid of that McCracken guy…or whatever the hell his name is!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
JB Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
BewareofRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Hope branch doesnt sign with bungles :/
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RM will sign him to a long term deal or tag him. Either way, he remains a Raider.
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Last I read was he’s a priority and the estimated TAG cost would be about 6 mil if a long term deal isn’t worked out.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
@ 41.
annoying that where i live comes into question when i try to talk football.
Im sure where you live the mold in your shower and meth fumes from the unit next door combined with the roach droppings in your fridge make your “opinons” always right.
its as if you are the only one right in this blog.
I can tell that means a lot to you, maybe steve will send you a trophy to mount above your spider sheets covered mattress on the floor.
credibility is looming large for you.
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Meth is big in Hawaii so im sure you know a thing or two about it…..not annoying if its the truth my friend….living in hawaii i would be care free and positive like you about palmer
Spider sheets? Boy we reaching at an attempt to be funny….keep swinging tiger….one day you will connect….its just today is not the day
My credibility is all in my DNA…..thanks
February 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Meth. The reasons I believe carson palmer will do well:
The wc O takes what the D gives. They respect our wr speed and like to pick their poison in coverage. But the wc has lots of options in the routes.. Carson wont have to force the ball down field.. Or anywhere else. Presnap he should know where the ball most likely going.. I dont think carsen will be rolling out the way you fear.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
raiderinparadise Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
@ method …
dont back Chow, he is from Hawaii.
ahhhhhhh hypocrite.
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How is that being a hypocrite? LOL please fail at explaining…when have i ever bashed Chow? This outta be good
February 17th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Source: Mike Jurecki on Twitter
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They got to change the word “source” on these things.
I mean, the tweet was about “floating the possibility” lol!!!
Is that a source? Can you guys source me when I say we might float the possibility of trading Ford for a draft pick?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:07 pm
Got a 4.5 drive home shortly, with a Cavs-Heat game, the next edition of Linsane in the Membrane, and OKC-Dubs all on XM!
Geeked!!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Meth. The reasons I believe carson palmer will do well:
The wc O takes what the D gives. They respect our wr speed and like to pick their poison in coverage. But the wc has lots of options in the routes.. Carson wont have to force the ball down field.. Or anywhere else. Presnap he should know where the ball most likely going.. I dont think carsen will be rolling out the way you fear
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At least you tried lol…ill give you that
All offenses these days have alot of options within the routes
Take what D gives? What does that mean exactly? lol…Always been the dumbest comment I ever heard…WCO especially knapps doesn t throw for sticks or past it…Palmer is a big armed guy and his nature is to heave it up field
What do you mean Robert Carson wont force the ball up the field? That is his game? Worse is him forcingit withthat gun of an arm in short field…..meaning bad passes deflecting and ultimately being took tothe house by other team
Pre snap you know where ball is going? HAHAHAHAHA man review that and come bac to earth my friend…Alot of offenses know where ball is going if guy is open….if coverage is there like all offenses you go to other guys lol
Yeah Carson wont be rolling out nor will the offense be rolling
February 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I would be surprised if D Allen doesn’t try play to carsons strengths after watching fox change the whole offense for tbow
February 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I don’t care what Knapp calls, whoever is running the deepest route, that’s where Carson will be keying, double-teams be damned.
This whole notion that we are going to be running WR screens and sprint outs all day is beyond ludicrous!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I keep using drew bledslow…well he is a big 6′6 statue with a big arm like Robert Carson who got stuck with less coast offense after Parcells left and as you saw the Pats fell from being elite year by year…Bledsoe is way better than palmer can dream off for sure
February 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
I don’t care what Knapp calls, whoever is running the deepest route, that’s where Carson will be keying, double-teams be damned.
This whole notion that we are going to be running WR screens and sprint outs all day is beyond ludicrous!!!
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You dont care about the calls VR? Really?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I do think we will see a lot of passes to our RB/FB position, but the WCO has those dudes running seams down the field and not on checkdowns.
Think Ricky Watters catching 50 yard passes in the Super Bowl, and all those passes to Garner behind the LB’s.
It’s going to be great!!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
I do think we will see a lot of passes to our RB/FB position, but the WCO has those dudes running seams down the field and not on checkdowns.
Think Ricky Watters catching 50 yard passes in the Super Bowl, and all those passes to Garner behind the LB’s.
It’s going to be great!!
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I want to see the DMAC hook up on those routes.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
74. Gotta disagree with a lot of that. You can go deep plenty in th wc. If they play within 5yrds of moore or dhb the saftey better be ready. I think we’ll see alot of uptempo play, time for alot of motion.. Some nohuddle. Alot like gruden ran. Safer but effective.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
You dont care about the calls VR? Really?
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That may have came out wrong.
I meant , I don’t think it will matter much if Knapp wants to dink and dunk, if three guys are running short, and one guy is pushing the field, guess where Carson is going to heave it, right or wrong?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I want to see the DMAC hook up on those routes.
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I think Taiwan can be effective in this role as well, more so than taking handoffs.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Yo Wrecks N Effect going full throttle
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Yo, time to crack this bottle of Moet Chandon and get my fizzle on.
Lake Show laying it down tonight, getting ready to “Eclipse the Suns” (patent still pending, dammit), here are a few smoking hot lyrics I just wrote in the crapper -
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Cause Kobe, Pau and Bynum feelin’ aight
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WRECKS N EFFECT GOING WORLDWIDE KOOL MOE DEE STYLE
February 17th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
I would be surprised if D Allen doesn’t try play to carsons strengths after watching fox change the whole offense for tbow
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They basically had to….tebow at qb we havent seen sincemaybe who Joe Kapp? All that was the damn 60s
February 17th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
VR….you dont think Knapp wants to do things conducive to his scheme? Coaching is ego driven biz….knapp wants schit done his way…he is a proponent of the wco
February 17th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
79, 80.. Yes.. We will be taking what the drfense gives us.. Its not just rhetoric.. We will get more out of the backs, and hopefully the wrs too. If A. smith can run a wc carson has a chance too.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:20 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
I want to see the DMAC hook up on those routes.
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I think Taiwan can be effective in this role as well, more so than taking handoffs.
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No question, but Taiwan will need to establish that he’s a threat to run as well.
It will make the seem route more effective, because LB’s will have to remain “flat footed” for a bit longer, and maybe gets a safety to bite on the run fake.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Meth. The reasons I believe carson palmer will do well:
The wc O takes what the D gives. They respect our wr speed and like to pick their poison in coverage. But the wc has lots of options in the routes.. Carson wont have to force the ball down field.. Or anywhere else. Presnap he should know where the ball most likely going.. I dont think carsen will be rolling out the way you fear.
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He is not a qb built for the west coast offense. Palmer’s biggest asset is his bag arm and deep ball, not his quick decision making. He’s much better fit to have a 5 step drop and throw a 15 yard out than a 3 stop drop and a quick curl or in=WCO. This will equal a lot of INT’s and pick 6’s. Palmer is already bad with the INT’s. He tried this at USC and failed.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Coaching is definately ego-driven, but getting fired is also humbling.
I think a 50 year old Knapp has a much better chance of fine-tuning his “system” than a 40 year old Knapp.
It will OBVIOUSLY (F U Hue) be more of a WCO than last year, but this isn’t going to be Jeff Garcia’s, bootleg, sprint out, crossing patterns offense.
We will find a way to push the field. If Knapp doesn’t do this, he might not last the 4 games calling plays he had with us the last go-round.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
74. Gotta disagree with a lot of that. You can go deep plenty in th wc. If they play within 5yrds of moore or dhb the saftey better be ready. I think we’ll see alot of uptempo play, time for alot of motion.. Some nohuddle. Alot like gruden ran. Safer but effective.
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HAHAHAHA right…going deep isnt a staple of wco…..so dont try and sell me on that…you love the 49ers and thats your thing but dont lie and say WCO goes a plenty upfield….may take a few shots hardly ever like gruden did. Plus I hated Gruden’s ofense…I hate the WCO and always will….playing too safe will get your ass whipped
February 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
82. Your right. Its up to the coaches to hammer him all yr about ball controll.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
He’s much better fit to have a 5 step drop and throw a 15 yard out than a 3 stop drop and a quick curl or in=WCO. This will equal a lot of INT’s and pick 6’s. Palmer is already bad with the INT’s. He tried this at USC and failed.
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No doubt Knapp will factor in all of this when designing the offense. We’ll be fine.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Ha….get more out of backs in passing game? For what? Like we did with that btch Charlene Garbager? Schit is trash…Want my WRs and TEs mkaing hella grabs
February 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Ha….get more out of backs in passing game? For what? Like we did with that btch Charlene Garbager? Schit is trash…Want my WRs and TEs mkaing hella grabs
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Who says BOTH can’t be targets in the passing game? DMac and Jones both have great hands. It’d be a shame not to use them.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Marvin Lewis is a moron. He better starts wearing a flak jacket. The Huebris knife is coming baby.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
91. To be honest I was pretty bored with it too. But it won games. And calahan showed the same playbook can be really aggressive, and hi scoring. Gannan couldent throw deep, thats why we never threw it up. Plus timmy & jerry were slow.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
He is not a qb built for the west coast offense. Palmer’s biggest asset is his bag arm and deep ball, not his quick decision making. He’s much better fit to have a 5 step drop and throw a 15 yard out than a 3 stop drop and a quick curl or in=WCO. This will equal a lot of INT’s and pick 6’s. Palmer is already bad with the INT’s. He tried this at USC and failed.
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Dis agree about not being able to make a quick decision.
3 step drops always have a hot read. The decision is made Pre snap.
If it’s covered, the quick decision is getting the ball into the hands of a secondary receiver.
Palmer will have no problem with this.
He’ll know the O and where everyone is supposed to be on a given play.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Coaching is definately ego-driven, but getting fired is also humbling.
I think a 50 year old Knapp has a much better chance of fine-tuning his “system” than a 40 year old Knapp.
It will OBVIOUSLY (F U Hue) be more of a WCO than last year, but this isn’t going to be Jeff Garcia’s, bootleg, sprint out, crossing patterns offense.
We will find a way to push the field. If Knapp doesn’t do this, he might not last the 4 games calling plays he had with us the last go-round.
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I have no confidence in Knapp or his fine tuning…ha it wont be jeff garbage-cia then what will it be? Vick had strong ass arm and still greg crapp was using him as jeff garbage-cia would be used in a wco….not buying this nonsense….Knapp is qb coach only
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
I apologize once again, for my big pen1s fingers & my touch screen
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
The Green Bay Packers are a ZBS, WCO system, and they seem to heave it down the field a ton.
Same with Holmgren. Total WCO guy, and Favre was launching bombs on the frequent.
Knapp has had a noodle-armed ultra-athletic Jeff Garcia, a massively athletic, unaccurate Mike Vick, vanilla Matt Hassleback, and a former #1 pick who posted a higher BAC level at times than QB rating.
He has never had a strong-armed, pocket-passer (at least a sober one) so we got to wait and see what this offense looks like.
But yes, if he tries to run Palmer through the Jeff Garcia offense, it will fail miserably. I have confidence that Gregg Knapp knows a little more about football than me, and won’t do this.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
HAHAHAHA right…going deep isnt a staple of wco…..so dont try and sell me on that…you love the 49ers and thats your thing but dont lie and say WCO goes a plenty upfield….may take a few shots hardly ever like gruden did. Plus I hated Gruden’s ofense…I hate the WCO and always will….playing too safe will get your ass whipped
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Andre Johnson only catches short passes? Never goes deep?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Coaching is definately ego-driven, but getting fired is also humbling.
I think a 50 year old Knapp has a much better chance of fine-tuning his “system” than a 40 year old Knapp.
It will OBVIOUSLY (F U Hue) be more of a WCO than last year, but this isn’t going to be Jeff Garcia’s, bootleg, sprint out, crossing patterns offense.
We will find a way to push the field. If Knapp doesn’t do this, he might not last the 4 games calling plays he had with us the last go-round.
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I have no confidence in Knapp or his fine tuning…ha it wont be jeff garbage-cia then what will it be? Vick had strong ass arm and still greg crapp was using him as jeff garbage-cia would be used in a wco….not buying this nonsense….Knapp is qb coach only
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Vick had a strong arm, but not a terribly accurate one. He also never went through his reads. Palmer will be fine.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
Ha….get more out of backs in passing game? For what? Like we did with that btch Charlene Garbager? Schit is trash…Want my WRs and TEs mkaing hella grabs
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Who says BOTH can’t be targets in the passing game? DMac and Jones both have great hands. It’d be a shame not to use them.
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Yeah who said you cant use different aliases on the blog and claim not doing so? Eh MRDuck?
I know it would be a shame to not see roger craig and ricky watters reincarnated
February 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Jon Becker is already doing a better job posting stories than the Corkster.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
HAHAHAHA right…going deep isnt a staple of wco…..so dont try and sell me on that…you love the 49ers and thats your thing but dont lie and say WCO goes a plenty upfield….may take a few shots hardly ever like gruden did. Plus I hated Gruden’s ofense…I hate the WCO and always will….playing too safe will get your ass whipped
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Andre Johnson only catches short passes? Never goes deep?
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Andre doesnt go deep like that…plus kubiak’s offense lke elway’s shanny offense modified to not be pure wco…..knapp is pure wco
February 17th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Bill walsh learned everything he knew from madden and coach davis meth.. The wc O is just third gen raider football
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
In honor of John Herrera:
It was Rich Gannon’s fault the WCO offense didn’t work here and win this great franchise multiple Super Bowls. Everytime we faced a good defense, he melted and couldn’t handle the pressure. Guys were open, and he couldn’t them the ball. It’s right there on film.
Knapp will have the benefit of an elite QB, a QB the Davis family worked hard to get here, and the greatness of the Raiders is ahead of us.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
METHOD TO MY MADNESS HAS SOME WONDERFUL POST ….. VERY INSIGHTFUL IN FACT.. BUT HES NOT A WINNER
February 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
The Green Bay Packers are a ZBS, WCO system, and they seem to heave it down the field a ton.
Same with Holmgren. Total WCO guy, and Favre was launching bombs on the frequent.
Knapp has had a noodle-armed ultra-athletic Jeff Garcia, a massively athletic, unaccurate Mike Vick, vanilla Matt Hassleback, and a former #1 pick who posted a higher BAC level at times than QB rating.
He has never had a strong-armed, pocket-passer (at least a sober one) so we got to wait and see what this offense looks like.
But yes, if he tries to run Palmer through the Jeff Garcia offense, it will fail miserably. I have confidence that Gregg Knapp knows a little more about football than me, and won’t do this.
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VR….McCarthy changed offense completely becuz rogers is a big armed mobile qb….see his offenses in sf and how much he changed it….holgrem modified heavily becuz farve would buck him and play sandlot football and heave it…you even know this…Holmgren would be pissed at farve alot for it too….notice when Holmgren went to seattle how were the offenses? Thanks
February 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Knapp wont be pure wc this year. Allens no dope
February 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
THAT’S HOW YOU SOUND
February 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Yeah who said you cant use different aliases on the blog and claim not doing so? Eh MRDuck?
I know it would be a shame to not see roger craig and ricky watters reincarnated
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Again, I DON’T USE DIFFERENT ALIASES ON THIS BLOG. Sockpuppetting holds no interest for me. I realize I have no way of proving this, but it is the truth. Believe it or not as you see fit.
As for Craig and Watters: DMac and Jones wouldn’t be too far off in talent level.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
METHOD TO MY MADNESS HAS SOME WONDERFUL POST ….. VERY INSIGHTFUL IN FACT.. BUT HES NOT A WINNER
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SharkPooCatcher…..you make zero sense…if im not a winner you arent even up to challenge for a win
February 17th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Jon Becker is already doing a better job posting stories than the Corkster.
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So that was Becker. Cork’s sleeping in AGAIN, I see…
February 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Knapp is not on scholorship. He answers strait to hard azz allen. he wil do what he’s told. Chain of command. Its a new era!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
you even know this
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WTF does that mean?
Why do I always get the back-handed compliments???
YOU PEOPLE
Look man, let’s just hope Knapp realizes he needs to tinker and listens to old man Saunders a little.
I do agree, Palmer doesn’t need to be throwing 4 yard hitches and running sprint outs. Lord help us if he is.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:29 pm
Yeah who said you cant use different aliases on the blog and claim not doing so? Eh MRDuck?
I know it would be a shame to not see roger craig and ricky watters reincarnated
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Again, I DON’T USE DIFFERENT ALIASES ON THIS BLOG. Sockpuppetting holds no interest for me. I realize I have no way of proving this, but it is the truth. Believe it or not as you see fit.
As for Craig and Watters: DMac and Jones wouldn’t be too far off in talent level.
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Love when MR crosses his ownself up…..suckin off Craig and Watters….two sorry ass punks at RB and saying dmac and jones arent far off in talent shows MR is a 49er btch….DMAC has more talent in his lisfranc than craig and watters combined….now go get of ofthe bathouse cpu and let your boyfriend use it
February 17th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
you even know this
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WTF does that mean?
Why do I always get the back-handed compliments???
YOU PEOPLE
Look man, let’s just hope Knapp realizes he needs to tinker and listens to old man Saunders a little.
I do agree, Palmer doesn’t need to be throwing 4 yard hitches and running sprint outs. Lord help us if he is.
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Huh? Back handed? No actually on this I wasnt….you even know this is referring to you knowing damn well those offenses massively were changed with GB becuz the qbs wont fit…..Holmgren and McCathy got ringsand are proven….Knapp is a proven loser
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Meth, you havent really answered number 91 or any of the other post commenting on how aggressive the wc O can be.. Or how often you can deep.. Now your back on knapp. My point was you cant really bash the wcO. Its a proven winner. Unlike mr. knapp.. Who ill give a chance to.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
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Love when MR crosses his ownself up…..suckin off Craig and Watters….two sorry ass punks at RB and saying dmac and jones arent far off in talent shows MR is a 49er btch….DMAC has more talent in his lisfranc than craig and watters combined….now go get of ofthe bathouse cpu and let your boyfriend use it
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Craig was a Raider. Why do you hate the Raiders so much?
Also, since I’m not MR (to the best of my knowledge, I’ve never even met the guy), my opinions hold very little sway over his.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
All this speculation as to what kind of offense we will run.
NO ONE KNOWS!!
DA will have a heavy influence on what kid of offense he allows Knapp to run.
How can you not see this.
Who here has a crystal ball and can see what our offense will look like next year. DA like Fox will run an offense that caters to the players on the roster.
I am done guessing if we will be a true WCO next year or not because no one knows at this point.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Meth, you havent really answered number 91 or any of the other post commenting on how aggressive the wc O can be.. Or how often you can deep.. Now your back on knapp. My point was you cant really bash the wcO. Its a proven winner. Unlike mr. knapp.. Who ill give a chance to.
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Meth’s a Raider-hating troll. Pay him no mind.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
VR…..Seattle from 98-2007 is proof of what holmgren wants for offense…in GB becuz favre’s crazy ass would buck him he had to completely change it
McCarthy offenses in SF nada like GB today
Knapp has shown same bs his whole time at OC
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
All this speculation as to what kind of offense we will run.
NO ONE KNOWS!!
DA will have a heavy influence on what kid of offense he allows Knapp to run.
How can you not see this.
Who here has a crystal ball and can see what our offense will look like next year. DA like Fox will run an offense that caters to the players on the roster.
I am done guessing if we will be a true WCO next year or not because no one knows at this point.
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Exactly. Knapp’s rarely if ever had these kind of tools to work with. We’ll be fine offensively.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
excuse me 99 is when he went to seattle
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown. Palmer is a “Deep read first” guy.
Another characteristic of the QB style in a West Coast system is the mobility of the Quarterback.
In blitz or short-yardage situations, many of the West Coast offense’s strengths are negated by defenses blocking running and passing lanes. A running quarterback can compensate by acting as a runner himself, paralyzing an overly aggressive defense.
(Palmer is NONE of this “NONE”) Palmer in a WCO=FAIL
February 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
I do agree, Palmer doesn’t need to be throwing 4 yard hitches and running sprint outs. Lord help us if he is.
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No Kidding.
If that happens Knapp = Fail.
I don’t see that happening however.
Knapp wants to ring the scoreboard bell… a lot.
He’ll find ways to do it.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Meth, you havent really answered number 91 or any of the other post commenting on how aggressive the wc O can be.. Or how often you can deep.. Now your back on knapp. My point was you cant really bash the wcO. Its a proven winner. Unlike mr. knapp.. Who ill give a chance to.
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Meth’s a Raider-hating troll. Pay him no mind.
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You’re only dumb btch to say that….even the folks who disagree with me know for sure im not a Raider hater…..you’re reaching MRDuck….this is how we all know its you trolling again
February 17th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
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Love when MR crosses his ownself up…..suckin off Craig and Watters….two sorry ass punks at RB and saying dmac and jones arent far off in talent shows MR is a 49er btch….DMAC has more talent in his lisfranc than craig and watters combined….now go get of ofthe bathouse cpu and let your boyfriend use it
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Craig was a Raider. Why do you hate the Raiders so much?
Also, since I’m not MR (to the best of my knowledge, I’ve never even met the guy), my opinions hold very little sway over his.
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HAHAHA AlbertaMR responds the same way…this is hilarious!
Craig is a 49er btch…wish he snapped his leg
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Waddup Nation…It’s been awhile.
Anyone know what this Brandon Underwood kid is about on the field?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I keep hearing “Its a new era”. I see the same players minus one overpaid CB who can start in this league vs. a new DB that likes to hit women and chase after prostitutes. Still waiting for the “new era” to kick in…………………………………….
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown. Palmer is a “Deep read first” guy.
Another characteristic of the QB style in a West Coast system is the mobility of the Quarterback.
In blitz or short-yardage situations, many of the West Coast offense’s strengths are negated by defenses blocking running and passing lanes. A running quarterback can compensate by acting as a runner himself, paralyzing an overly aggressive defense.
(Palmer is NONE of this “NONE”) Palmer in a WCO=FAIL
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As D-X says….BREAK IT DOWN!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
You’re only dumb btch to say that….even the folks who disagree with me know for sure im not a Raider hater…..you’re reaching MRDuck….this is how we all know its you trolling again
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Whatever. Hopefully when you grow up, you’ll learn to spell.
Since you believe I’m sockpuppetting when I’m not, does this mean you also believe in black helicopters, cattle mutilations and chemtrails?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Didn’t our coach come out and say that the argument between a 3-4 and a 4-3 defense is silly because teams run them both and the defense should be run to take advantage of players’ strengths?
Won’t that philosophy also be applied to the offense then?
I seriously doubt McKenzie and Allen are going to allow Knapp to come in and run an offense that does not take advantage of our current players. I think the WCO paranoia is being overblow by one certain Palmer hater.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
The O will be fine. The d needs a total overhaul. Players who buy in, and fit the scheme.. Soliai is my #r priority FA
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Dang..#1
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
One of Palmer’s strengths is his ability to make a read at the LOS.
Watching him run the hurry up in San Diego after only being on the team for a few weeks was very impressive.
To think that he will have an entire off season and camp with this group of players and to learn the offense is very encouraging to me.
So if what RaidO says is true then Palmer will in fact be great next year.
“RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy.”
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
When Knapp was here before and working with the biggest bust in the history of the NFL,he didn’t run a strict WCO.Why does everyone assume he will this time?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown. Palmer is a “Deep read first” guy.
Another characteristic of the QB style in a West Coast system is the mobility of the Quarterback.
In blitz or short-yardage situations, many of the West Coast offense’s strengths are negated by defenses blocking running and passing lanes. A running quarterback can compensate by acting as a runner himself, paralyzing an overly aggressive defense.
(Palmer is NONE of this “NONE”) Palmer in a WCO=FAIL
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Thanks for the “text book version”
Of course the fools running the team will throw their collective hands in despair after reading what they are supposed to do according to the “good book”
Good coaches enhance strengths and minimize weakness.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Waddup Nation…It’s been awhile.
Anyone know what this Brandon Underwood kid is about on the field?
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Michael Dixon…M-I-Z-Z-O-U!
And what the hell was Pitino doing vs Syracuse? Yall had that one!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I keep hearing “Its a new era”. I see the same players minus one overpaid CB who can start in this league vs. a new DB that likes to hit women and chase after prostitutes. Still waiting for the “new era” to kick in…………………………………….
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Lol. Him and Cable would have got along greatly.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Amazed at the level of comprehension with some in here.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
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February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“I seriously doubt McKenzie and Allen are going to allow Knapp to come in and run an offense that does not take advantage of our current players. I think the WCO paranoia is being overblow by one certain Palmer hater.”
DING DING DING correct answer!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
VR…..Seattle from 98-2007 is proof of what holmgren wants for offense…in GB becuz favre’s crazy ass would buck him he had to completely change it
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So than the hope is that Palmer “bucks” Knapp a little, and they make some changes?
I just don’t see a coach looking at Carson Palmer and saying “You know what, I think he would look great running a bunch of naked boots and dumping it off to the TE”.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
I keep hearing “Its a new era”. I see the same players minus one overpaid CB who can start in this league vs. a new DB that likes to hit women and chase after prostitutes. Still waiting for the “new era” to kick in…………………………………….
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Lots of changes already:
New GM
New HC, who is a bright defensive-minded coach who will bring discipline and accountability.
New DC, bringing with him all kinds of complex schemes.
No more Hue, Bres or Herrera
As for new players, gotta wait for the new league year a month from now. Can’t do anything until then.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
When Knapp was here before and working with the biggest bust in the history of the NFL,he didn’t run a strict WCO.Why does everyone assume he will this time?
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Kiffin’s offense was strict WCO…as matter of fact it was in gruden’s stylr as kiffin said when he was hired…why ya think he hired Knapp?
February 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
And what the hell was Pitino doing vs Syracuse? Yall had that one!
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I’ve been telling you, Pitino can’t coach in-game for shat.
Do they even have in bounds sets? I swear that just throw it in and than get the play.
Caliperi can coach on the other hand.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
We have 90% new coaching staff.
A GM for the 1st time.
And were 1 month into it, but people comlain that we arent in a new era?
IGNORANCE at its finest.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Waddup Nation…It’s been awhile.
Anyone know what this Brandon Underwood kid is about on the field?
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Michael Dixon…M-I-Z-Z-O-U!
And what the hell was Pitino doing vs Syracuse? Yall had that one!
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Hahaha, waddup Meth. Yea man, gotta hand it to your boys. I like Mizzu a lot. I’m sure Tim Fuller is playing a huge role in the preparation, and Haith might get coach of the year because of it.
As for the Ville, yea, we had that ‘Cuse game. Can’t blame Pitino though. Siva picked up that stupid 3rd foul right after he got the first 2 early in the first half and that foreshadowed our fate right there. Dieng had his worst game of the year too. 1-8 and like 5 TOs. We’ll be aiight though come March. Considering we lost to KY by 7 and we played terrible and the ‘Cuse by a bucket, I think we’re right up there with the best of ‘em…
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
“Anyone know what this Brandon Underwood kid is about on the field?”
No one knows what he is capable of on the field as he only has a track record of special teams play and as a 3rd string CB.
What we do know about him is that he has been arrested for prostitution and beating his wife. the most disturbing thing is that it was on the night the Packers handed out Super Bowl rings…..they gave the wives of the players necklaces and Mr Underwood was arrested that night for ripping it off of her neck tainting the otherwise much celebrated night of the organization.
So I guess McClain gets a pass…at least he did not put his hands on a woman!
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Man we have has so much turnover in the coaching staff it is difficult to remember which guy was the OC, or was he the passing game coordinator, or was he OC in name only and the HC called the plays….
…wasn’t Knapp just an OC in name only while he was here? I am pretty sure Kiffin called the plays, and then only for a short time was Knapp allowed to call the plays before Cable took those duties away.
Yikes. I have a headache.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
VR…..Seattle from 98-2007 is proof of what holmgren wants for offense…in GB becuz favre’s crazy ass would buck him he had to completely change it
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So than the hope is that Palmer “bucks” Knapp a little, and they make some changes?
I just don’t see a coach looking at Carson Palmer and saying “You know what, I think he would look great running a bunch of naked boots and dumping it off to the TE”.
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No hope in Knapp or Palmer…think both are losers…Rogers and Favre are SB champions and league MVPs plus many times over pro bowlers….Palmer shouldnt be in same breath with them
February 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
No it isn’t.Due to your hate of Palmer,USC,whiners,and many other things you CANNOT look at things objectively.We did not run a strict WCO when Knapp was here.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And besides, it is not like Knapp is some legendary coach with some “system” that is greatly revered. As long as he wins, he will get credit.
Would anybody really notice if Knapp tinkered his WCO philosophy? We are pretty hard-core sports fans in here, there is a good faction of people who don’t even know who the hell he is, or anything about his “System”.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
New GM – whose first personnel move was less than inspiring.
New HC – no experience as a HC, one year as a coordinator. I hope for the best but I’d like to see some more before he is annoited Madden 2.0.
New DC – Thats a win for McKenzie!
No more Hue, Bres or Herrera. Addition by subtraction for Hue and Bres. Herrera never bothered me much, loyal to the bitter end.
As for the new players we just brought in a locker room cancer.
February 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
We have a chain of command now. Knapp will answer to Allen. Allens no fool. We will play to cp3 and dmacs strengths, no matter what knapp did here or there..
February 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
Waddup Nation…It’s been awhile.
Anyone know what this Brandon Underwood kid is about on the field?
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Michael Dixon…M-I-Z-Z-O-U!
And what the hell was Pitino doing vs Syracuse? Yall had that one!
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Hahaha, waddup Meth. Yea man, gotta hand it to your boys. I like Mizzu a lot. I’m sure Tim Fuller is playing a huge role in the preparation, and Haith might get coach of the year because of it.
As for the Ville, yea, we had that ‘Cuse game. Can’t blame Pitino though. Siva picked up that stupid 3rd foul right after he got the first 2 early in the first half and that foreshadowed our fate right there. Dieng had his worst game of the year too. 1-8 and like 5 TOs. We’ll be aiight though come March. Considering we lost to KY by 7 and we played terrible and the ‘Cuse by a bucket, I think we’re right up there with the best of ‘em…
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Louisville dangerous in tourney…play great D and have athletes to make things happen
Tim Fulller making difference…thanks for giving him to us lol….funny story so when I went down to Columbia….Fuller didnt like we was in locker room that friday right before practice….ngga looked me up and down like..”Who the fk is this?’….we left locker but i talked with him next night…..cool cat for sure and good coach he will be a head coach someday
February 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
please rename yourself DennisAllensrosecoveredglasses
February 17th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
New GM – whose first personnel move was less than inspiring.
New HC – no experience as a HC, one year as a coordinator. I hope for the best but I’d like to see some more before he is annoited Madden 2.0.
New DC – Thats a win for McKenzie!
No more Hue, Bres or Herrera. Addition by subtraction for Hue and Bres. Herrera never bothered me much, loyal to the bitter end.
As for the new players we just brought in a locker room cancer.
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Locker room cancer?
He got in trouble in real life. Not the locker room.
Ray Lewis got arrested for murder, he’s one of the best locker room guys in the NFL.
Post a link that backs up your statement, or put a disclaimer that reads its pure opinionative nonsense.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
We have a chain of command now. Knapp will answer to Allen. Allens no fool. We will play to cp3 and dmacs strengths, no matter what knapp did here or there..
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Setting the chain of command aside for just a minute.
Knapp will play to the strengths of these Guys.
Allen won’t have to tell Him too.
Knapp is geeked with what he has to work with here.
I think it’s safe to…Print That!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
No it isn’t.Due to your hate of Palmer,USC,whiners,and many other things you CANNOT look at things objectively.We did not run a strict WCO when Knapp was here.
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Ha my OG friend lefty as usual butting heads with me….thats cool….I disagree that when Knapp was here in 07 and 08 we didnt run WCO….remember Russell’s first ever play from scrimmage? Bootleg rollout schit to porter? I remember that well
Yes I hate USC,Palmer,Whiners and hella schit…I agree with ya there
February 17th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
As far as I know underwoods just a sp teams guy. I dont see the upside of bringing in his troubles
February 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
Didn’t our coach come out and say that the argument between a 3-4 and a 4-3 defense is silly because teams run them both and the defense should be run to take advantage of players’ strengths?
Won’t that philosophy also be applied to the offense then?
I seriously doubt McKenzie and Allen are going to allow Knapp to come in and run an offense that does not take advantage of our current players. I think the WCO paranoia is being overblown by one certain Palmer hater.
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Finally, someone who is making sense. Dakota 1 others 0.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t Louisville lose to Morehead in the first round last year?
That’s what you get with a Sicilian running the show. Bunch of inbred cross-breeds.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
As far as I know underwoods just a sp teams guy. I dont see the upside of bringing in his troubles
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Last chance, Reggie must like him, supposedly won the nickel corner position before he got hurt in GB.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
And besides, it is not like Knapp is some legendary coach with some “system” that is greatly revered. As long as he wins, he will get credit.
Would anybody really notice if Knapp tinkered his WCO philosophy? We are pretty hard-core sports fans in here, there is a good faction of people who don’t even know who the hell he is, or anything about his “System”.
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I would notice if Knapp can ever produce a potent offense….it just wont happen
Knapp gets credit from me if he steps down and quits now
February 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Hey-a, I am from Long Islang, look at my cool suits and shoes…….can a bang your girl in the cornhole?
I hate those fckers.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
“No hope in Knapp or Palmer…think both are losers…Rogers and Favre are SB champions and league MVPs plus many times over pro bowlers….Palmer shouldnt be in same breath with them”
B@uce, Palmer is your QB next year why not look at the positive side of this and hope that next year he will be mentioned in the same breath as Rodgers Brees and so on.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Tim Fulller making difference…thanks for giving him to us lol….funny story so when I went down to Columbia….Fuller didnt like we was in locker room that friday right before practice….ngga looked me up and down like..”Who the fk is this?’….we left locker but i talked with him next night…..cool cat for sure and good coach he will be a head coach someday
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Thats right..you wound up going to the KS/Mizzu game right? They balled hard at the end of that one. Took it from KU. I keep telling cats that I talk to back at the crib that I like the way Mizzu is ballin’. It’ll be cool to see them in the SEC giving KY some comp ’cause I’m sick of the seeing the wildcats run thru those pretenders. UK fans back at the crib make me so sick running their mouth!
But props to your peoples. He’s ballin out this year. Does he have some creole or somethin’ in him? Dude’s got those wolf eyes like Eve’s Bayou or something?!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
162. although I can’t read knapps mind, id bet he is geeked about our sqad, or he wouldnt have come back to oakland to put up with methods abuse..
February 17th, 2012 at 2:07 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Hey-a, I am from Long Islang, look at my cool suits and shoes…….can a bang your girl in the cornhole?
I hate those fckers.
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LOL!
Sooots and shoooos. LOL
February 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Guess who immediately hopped a flight to Cincy… Stanford Routt, guess Hue didn’t lose the ‘whole’ lockerroom.
Mistic is a flip-flopper. The only reason he flipped on Hue was because Hue didn’t like JC. Nothing else would have mattered if Hue would have continued to kiss JCs ass
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Why are you trying to speak for me bra? however I will give you credit this statement at least has a small element of truth in it. However it does not represent the big picture in terms of my disagreement with Hue Crack. My issues with hue crack have been documented here but i will refresh you, so all can be sure to get the entire story, instead of your take on my feelings.
1.) The way he treated Jc was disgusting in my view. As a martial art instructor, i understand what it means to lead a team as a coach. You must identify develop, then rely on people that can be leaders to help sell your vision to the team. Jc was the unquestioned leader and his impact on the team was immediately felt when he went down, as the team spiraled out of control and a clear void in leadership amongst the players emerged. Bringing in palmer exposed a duplicitous nature, and a self serving attitude. along with the now laughable proclamations of it being the greatest trade in football, when in truth it turned out to be the greatest bust in football for that year. Hue showed himself to be untrustworthy in my view, and with certain players, including the leaders of the team.
2.) The mystifying benching of our most productive best receiver in mid season also stunk to high heaven. DHB could have posted his first thousand yard season had this not taken place, and has yet to be justified. DHb was healthy and is also one of the guys that helped set the tempo of the entire team through his incredible nose to the grind stone blue collar work ethic. benching him was inexcusable, and the weak excuse for doing so was even worse. This showed another character flaw, that hue crack would bench his best players punitively, without any thought to how it would affect the teams ability to win.
3.)Trying to turn us into the bungles by taking on cincis left overs, cast offs, and thumbs sucking quitters, while mortgaging the future was both short sighted, and foolish. he failed to recognize the impact it would have on the locker room. we can measure the impact and determine it wasnt good, by the way the team finished. They did not resemble the team that went 4-2, they were sloppier, and even disrespectful, see jerome boyd laughing after being called for a second personal foul on the sideline during a blowout loss. The bungles could not save the sinking ship, nor could they lead dogs to a butcher shop. They flopped.
4.) All of the self aggrandizing I and me statements, highlight the mike martz-esque egomania that consumed hue crack.
5.) failure to discipline romac, the exact opposite of what he promised to deliver. he promised a disciplined football team then let romac skate in hopes of posting another win of his own resume. never stopping to think that sitting romac may have been the best thing he could have done for that youngster that clearly suffers from a pizz poor entitled attitude. Evidence can be found in romacs treatment of the media, failure to acknowledge his own short comings, and dogging it on field.
6.) trashing players and coaches at the final presser was low class and made bill callahan look good in comparison.
Nope Hue crack made several moves that caused me to jump ship on him, the Jc was just one of the first most important in a season long comedic tragedy of bone headed gaffes.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t Louisville lose to Morehead in the first round last year?
That’s what you get with a Sicilian running the show. Bunch of inbred cross-breeds.
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Whoaaaaaaaaaaaa….VR what you trying to say? You mad at what Othello and the Moors did back in the day?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Didn’t Louisville lose to Morehead in the first round last year?
That’s what you get with a Sicilian running the show. Bunch of inbred cross-breeds.
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yea they took a L last year…what about it?
You got a lot of strong words against Italians. One of ‘em must’ve banged your girl or something..chill out bruh…it’s a message board…don’t want you hitting your computer and breaking your knuckles tough guy…
February 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
162. although I can’t read knapps mind, id bet he is geeked about our sqad, or he wouldnt have come back to oakland to put up with methods abuse..
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You’re right…I can’t read his mind either.
But yes, weapons and a fat check…
He can put up with B…
B has His own Ideas and I respect them.
It’s HIS opinion.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
Tim Fulller making difference…thanks for giving him to us lol….funny story so when I went down to Columbia….Fuller didnt like we was in locker room that friday right before practice….ngga looked me up and down like..”Who the fk is this?’….we left locker but i talked with him next night…..cool cat for sure and good coach he will be a head coach someday
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Thats right..you wound up going to the KS/Mizzu game right? They balled hard at the end of that one. Took it from KU. I keep telling cats that I talk to back at the crib that I like the way Mizzu is ballin’. It’ll be cool to see them in the SEC giving KY some comp ’cause I’m sick of the seeing the wildcats run thru those pretenders. UK fans back at the crib make me so sick running their mouth!
But props to your peoples. He’s ballin out this year. Does he have some creole or somethin’ in him? Dude’s got those wolf eyes like Eve’s Bayou or something?!
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Naw he just lightskinned black guy….many ask me if he is mixed…naw just a stepy curry mellow yelow brotha lmao
February 17th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
If Knapp fails, Saunders is there prepared to take his place. Let’s not worry right now about Knapp. Allen needs to win. Friend or not, Allen won’t accept losses from a Knapp called offense without doing something about it. Just consider Saunders as Allen’s insurance policy.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I am Italian, and Sicilian’s are not Italian’s.
That’s like calling a cup of Folgers a Cappuchino, because you put some milk in it.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
162. although I can’t read knapps mind, id bet he is geeked about our sqad, or he wouldnt have come back to oakland to put up with methods abuse..
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You’re right…I can’t read his mind either.
But yes, weapons and a fat check…
He can put up with B…
B has His own Ideas and I respect them.
It’s HIS opinion.
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Ha if Knapp let’s the B@uce get to him then he dont deserve to be a coach….its my opinion is all just I know how to argue my POV quite well and with alot of harsh words lol
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Locker room cancer?
He got in trouble in real life. Not the locker room.
Ray Lewis got arrested for murder, he’s one of the best locker room guys in the NFL.
Post a link that backs up your statement, or put a disclaimer that reads its pure opinionative nonsense.
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Rosie… I mean DennisAllensvisor a fool and his link are so quickly united.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2010/06/06/packers-teammates-say-underwood-has-been-a-problem/
February 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue is a such a btch…I hate his guts
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i second that
February 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
Ha if Knapp let’s the B@uce get to him then he dont deserve to be a coach….its my opinion is all just I know how to argue my POV quite well and with alot of harsh words lol
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I agree on all counts…LOL
February 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown.
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thanks, Raid
Palmer is gonna be a freaking stud next year!!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Oh forgot to add our newest Raiders impeccable college track record.
“Underwood transferred from Ohio State to Cincinnati in college after having his scholarship revoked for missed meetings and academic issues. Early in Underwood’s rookie season, cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt said Underwood was immature.”
courtesty Profootballtalk.com
enough of a disclaimer for you DennisAllensvisor?? AKA ROSIE my new bi$%
February 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I am Italian, and Sicilian’s are not Italian’s.
That’s like calling a cup of Folgers a Cappuchino, because you put some milk in it.
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So you are a northern italian…..and if you found out your boy Giordano was Sicilian would u take back all the great posts about him?
So you are like Dennis Hopper? Pitino’s great great great great great grandmother fked a moulie?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown.
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thanks, Raid
Palmer is gonna be a freaking stud next year!!
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LMAO RRS too funny
February 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Going and coaching the Puerto Rican national team?
Not something I could see Lou Carnesecca doing.
But Sicilian…..Puerto Rican…..pretty close.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
I am Italian, and Sicilian’s are not Italian’s.
That’s like calling a cup of Folgers a Cappuchino, because you put some milk in it.
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Thats besides the point….obviously you’re not a Pitino fan…coo..to each his own….but all the other ish is extra that you keep yappin’. Fools seem to forget if he didn’t do his stints in the NBA, dude would be leading in all-time wins in college ball right now and he’s a great coach. Lost some of his recruiting edge, but he’s a man amongst boys and master motivator. Them losing to Morehead last year has nothing to do with Sicilians and Italians, Folgers, milk, or whatever else you keep hollerin’ though so all the extra is just that…extra.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue is a such a btch…I hate his guts
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i second that
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Palmer deal looks worse and worse….Raiders got hosed…and now we stuck with a turnover machine who has already quit once….fkin great…wish RG3 woulda stayed one more year so we can get him….fk!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Pitino needs to eat a Pizza or 10.
Dude looks sickly.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
You two should get a room
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The league shouldn’t even let Hue work for Cincy. How the hell dude gonna mortgage our future like that for Palmer and give them picks and then go work for them cats? If that sh!t ain’t hilarious….
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
“RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
In a West Coast system, arm strength comes in third to decision-making and accuracy. The main job of the QB in this system is to matriculate the ball with short 7-yard spot routes, square outs, Texas routes, and stick routes. All of these passes need to be thrown with exact precision and speed. Once these pass plays are completed, the QB should then look for the long ball to be thrown.
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thanks, Raid
Palmer is gonna be a freaking stud next year!!”
Exactly what I said RRS!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
Going and coaching the Puerto Rican national team?
Not something I could see Lou Carnesecca doing.
But Sicilian…..Puerto Rican…..pretty close.
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VR…we learning alot from ya today….so they arent real Italians because they have “black” blood in them?
You upset that Italy is pretty much known, at least on this side of pond, thru the way of Sicily?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Northern Italians are the flinty-eyed, cream eating, mountainous people, closely resembling the Frenchies.
There are Italians, Northern Italians, and Sicilians.
I am sure the fine people that live in Sicily, are nice, good-natured farmers, but the wealthy Sicilian-American Long Island folks, make my skin crawl.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Pitino needs to eat a Pizza or 10.
Dude looks sickly.
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I will dude is looking bad…..before Mark Jackson’s son wound up transfering, he bet him he could lose more weight than him and dude seems to not have recovered since…
February 17th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
SharkCatcher Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
You two should get a room
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Pitiful SharkPooCatcher…..guess you still reeling from being stood up on Valentine’s day….maybe you can hang with Beecher smokin fat joints and all….FUNKY FRESH IN THE PLACE TO BE
February 17th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
I will *admit
February 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Northern Italians are the flinty-eyed, cream eating, mountainous people, closely resembling the Frenchies.
There are Italians, Northern Italians, and Sicilians.
I am sure the fine people that live in Sicily, are nice, good-natured farmers, but the wealthy Sicilian-American Long Island folks, make my skin crawl.
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So am I safe to assume you dont have Mob Wives or Jersey Shore on DVR?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Oh forgot to add our newest Raiders impeccable college track record.
“Underwood transferred from Ohio State to Cincinnati in college after having his scholarship revoked for missed meetings and academic issues. Early in Underwood’s rookie season, cornerbacks coach Joe Whitt said Underwood was immature.”
courtesty Profootballtalk.com
enough of a disclaimer for you DennisAllensvisor?? AKA ROSIE my new bi$%
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Cant click sports links at work.
However, that link doesnt look too good for him.
Regardless.. People make mistakes and character can be built and in this case re-built.
Good thing the Ravens didnt cut Ray Lewis right?..
February 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bleeder,
Pitino is an elite recruit, hell maybe the best ever.
But he don’t do anything during the game, no adjustments. There is a professional sport better named Alan Boston (google him, great books) who plays only college hoops and makes bank. He said his number one play, was always the 2nd half bet of the team playing a Pitino coached team.
As far as the other stuff, just like stirring the pot a little. I like making fun of other Italians, they give us a lot of ammo.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Bleeder….just know you may have to eat 100 pizza and take 100 shots of henny if Louisville has to play Mizzou in tourney…Siva or none of those guards can check Mike at all…matter of fact no one can guard that guy
February 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Im happy Hue got something, absolutely ridiculous he isnt head coach or offensive coordinator somewhere. Hell At least 5 teams would be better with him than there recent coaches. Im not here to start a Hue anything BUt I read and sat back for month or so . If you look at my very early post I was pushing for Hue from the moment he came to us. If only but I like Reggie and OUr coach has potentional. Its a new day and I like many have waited Go raiders and Im not happy how things work for some and how it doesnt for others. Good luck Hue
February 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
“Northern Italians are the flinty-eyed, cream eating, mountainous people, closely resembling the Frenchies.
There are Italians, Northern Italians, and Sicilians.
I am sure the fine people that live in Sicily, are nice, good-natured farmers, but the wealthy Sicilian-American Long Island folks, make my skin crawl.”
My family is from Milan (Northern Italy)
Lighten up dude not cool!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
In honor of John Herrera:
It was Rich Gannon’s fault the WCO offense didn’t work here and win this great franchise multiple Super Bowls. Everytime we faced a good defense, he melted and couldn’t handle the pressure. Guys were open, and he couldn’t them the ball. It’s right there on film.
Knapp will have the benefit of an elite QB, a QB the Davis family worked hard to get here, and the greatness of the Raiders is ahead of us.
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WCO didn’t work here? WTF? You’re rewriting history. Raiders lost to the Bucs because Callahan didn’t have the brains to change the snap counts or the predictable game plan.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Que Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Im happy Hue got something, absolutely ridiculous he isnt head coach or offensive coordinator somewhere. Hell At least 5 teams would be better with him than there recent coaches. Im not here to start a Hue anything BUt I read and sat back for month or so . If you look at my very early post I was pushing for Hue from the moment he came to us. If only but I like Reggie and OUr coach has potentional. Its a new day and I like many have waited Go raiders and Im not happy how things work for some and how it doesnt for others. Good luck Hue
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Name those 5 teams please..
February 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bleeder,
Pitino is an elite recruit, hell maybe the best ever.
But he don’t do anything during the game, no adjustments. There is a professional sport better named Alan Boston (google him, great books) who plays only college hoops and makes bank. He said his number one play, was always the 2nd half bet of the team playing a Pitino coached team.
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This is 10000pct true……Pitino got one lucky title becuz UK paid Walker,McCarty,Delk and all them fkers to go there
February 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
So am I safe to assume you dont have Mob Wives or Jersey Shore on DVR?
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The wife likes Mob Wives, and I have watched a little. I would put it on Carla and Ramona.
Don’t get me started on Jersey Shore. Snookie is barely anything Italian, and Ronnie is half Puerto-Rican (see). And take a guess who the arrogant, wealthy Sicilian is.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Lighten up dude not cool!
207.ohioraider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
In honor of John Herrera:
It was Rich Gannon’s fault the WCO offense didn’t work here and win this great franchise multiple Super Bowls. Everytime we faced a good defense, he melted and couldn’t handle the pressure. Guys were open, and he couldn’t them the ball. It’s right there on film.
Knapp will have the benefit of an elite QB, a QB the Davis family worked hard to get here, and the greatness of the Raiders is ahead of us.
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WCO didn’t work here? WTF? You’re rewriting history. Raiders lost to the Bucs because Callahan didn’t have the brains to change the snap counts or the predictable game plan.
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Partly true…but definitely more to that story…Gannon did good here but he wasnt a SB winner…we also didnt have personnel to win that game withthem old ass WRS vs them young boys
February 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
And take a guess who the arrogant, wealthy Sicilian is.
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Donald Trump?
He’s probably just a wannabe.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
“True Romance”, that was a good movie. Thanks Method, I’ll put it on my list for a re-watch.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
My family is from Milan (Northern Italy)
Lighten up dude not cool!
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Sorry, no offense to your family.
Talking Rick Pitino and Jersey Shore fires me up!!!
I hate those people. Represent every negative stereotype of my heritage.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:31 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:25 pm
Bleeder,
Pitino is an elite recruit, hell maybe the best ever.
But he don’t do anything during the game, no adjustments. There is a professional sport better named Alan Boston (google him, great books) who plays only college hoops and makes bank. He said his number one play, was always the 2nd half bet of the team playing a Pitino coached team.
As far as the other stuff, just like stirring the pot a little. I like making fun of other Italians, they give us a lot of ammo.
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Screw a book…that could’ve been a trend way back when for a particular time frame, but people can manipulate numbers all sorts of ways to prove a point; but if you were to do that recently, you’d be broke. The Ville has actually been a 2nd half team for the past decade. Hell, the best comeback in college sports (down 18 to Marquette) with 5 min left happened just last year. Dude does plenty adjustments and is a great in-game coach. It’s his recruiting edge that has lot a little bit, but he keeps top assistants to keep that up to par still. Louisville has the best record in the Big East since the Ville joined and thats saying A LOT considering the company he’s surrounded by. Only thing missing is his chip with the Ville to match his titles he got with UK. He got outcoached blatantly once, and that was with our 09 team with TWill and Earl Clark who had the #1 overall seed; but took that L to Mich. St. in the Elite 8. Pitino was hell-bent on his matchup zone and trying to out-think Izzo when he should’ve just let his athletes simply beat their man being we had the way better crew.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
What about picking up a Center like Dan Koppen in free agency?
Any opinions out there?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
What about picking up a Center like Dan Koppen in free agency?
Any opinions out there?
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I know someone who just checked their twitter…
February 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:28 pm
So am I safe to assume you dont have Mob Wives or Jersey Shore on DVR?
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The wife likes Mob Wives, and I have watched a little. I would put it on Carla and Ramona.
Don’t get me started on Jersey Shore. Snookie is barely anything Italian, and Ronnie is half Puerto-Rican (see). And take a guess who the arrogant, wealthy Sicilian is.
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Man i never watched that schit until I starting being with my current main bz….Yes Carla and Ramona get it for sure I’m talking RDK status…RAW DOG KING
Jersey Shore? Man I’m not familiar with them enough to know who is the wealthy Sicilian…who is it?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
Partly true…but definitely more to that story…Gannon did good here but he wasnt a SB winner…we also didnt have personnel to win that game withthem old ass WRS vs them young boys
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Losing Robbins, and having 1 week to prepare instead of 2 went a long way in the outcome…imo.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:26 pm
Bleeder….just know you may have to eat 100 pizza and take 100 shots of henny if Louisville has to play Mizzou in tourney…Siva or none of those guards can check Mike at all…matter of fact no one can guard that guy
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As fast as Mizzu is, I’m pretty sure they can’t stay in front of Siva either though. We’ll have to have a friendly wager with the loser paying up next time I come up there to catch a Raider game.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
Lighten up dude not cool!
207.ohioraider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:27 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
In honor of John Herrera:
It was Rich Gannon’s fault the WCO offense didn’t work here and win this great franchise multiple Super Bowls. Everytime we faced a good defense, he melted and couldn’t handle the pressure. Guys were open, and he couldn’t them the ball. It’s right there on film.
Knapp will have the benefit of an elite QB, a QB the Davis family worked hard to get here, and the greatness of the Raiders is ahead of us.
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WCO didn’t work here? WTF? You’re rewriting history. Raiders lost to the Bucs because Callahan didn’t have the brains to change the snap counts or the predictable game plan.
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Partly true…but definitely more to that story…Gannon did good here but he wasnt a SB winner…we also didnt have personnel to win that game withthem old ass WRS vs them young boys
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Tebow is better then Gannon, oh wait, no Gannon is because he won more playoff games.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
Hey knock yourself out with Pitino.
I am sure he is great for the local high-end suit retailer.
I just don’t like his style, his ilk, and IMO, his teams are frequent under-performers.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
I dont believe we will have any significant FA OL signings this off-season.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
You said that right though…UK PAID…not Pitino…people who never lived in KY can’t understand how Lexington and the rest of that state outside of Louisville is…..those people will give UK players everything they ever wanted; half the time without the school knowing a damn thing…..saying they LOVE their ball there is an understatement….
February 17th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Man I’m not familiar with them enough to know who is the wealthy Sicilian…who is it?
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That buffoon Pauly from Rhode Island.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
What about picking up a Center like Dan Koppen in free agency?
Any opinions out there?
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Silver,
I’ll take Pro Bowler Chris Myers from the Texans!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
And my “in honor of John Herrera” post was tongue-in-cheek guys.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Len…part of it too…but foul play happened Saturday night….no way would Tagliabue allow Al to embarrass the NFL like he did with Rozelle….I will never buy that story
February 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Dennis let it go, he’s not Ray Lewis! He’s not even Ray Lewis’s backup!!!! He is a 6th round pick that wasn’t liked by the Packers enought to beat out an undrafted FA. That was called lazy by his position Coach and lost his scholarship in college becuase he was lazy but the “New Era” gets a pass. Thats how new era turns into old era. Here’s what the link said enjoy.
Packers cornerback Brandon Underwood is in trouble with the law again, having been charged with misdemeanor disorderly conduct following an alleged altercation with his wife.
Fox 11′s Becky DeVries reports that Underwood was arrested June 16, the night the Packers received their Super Bowl rings. Underwood is accused of ripping a necklace off his wife, dragging her out of a car, and throwing her on the ground.
The necklace was a gift from the Packers to the players wives. Underwood’s wife Brandie filed for divorce last month. According to the police report, she said Brandon was upset she had the necklace and he would decide what she could wear. Sigh.
Underwood pleaded no contest last year in a prostitution case. At the time, some Packers teammates said Underwood had been “a problem” since joining the team. He’s scheduled to appear in court Wednesday.
What they didn’t mention was that his wife just had there 3rd child when he smacked her around.
Why is the new regime reaching like this?? And why is Raider nation letting this go like no big deal? If Al Davis had pulled this move, then this blog would be on fire!!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, Rod Woodson just lost a defensive backs coaching position to…Hue Jackson.
He must really suck.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Len….robbins is bipolar and near mexico before SB and no one from Raiders are watching him or making him take meds? Please…if u believe that then you believe JFK was off’d by LHO….lies…we keep finding out everyday we being lied to
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
….Yes Carla and Ramona get it for sure I’m talking RDK status…RAW DOG KING
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Ramona likes gangsters too, I bet she has gotten down with some brothas.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
Why is the new regime reaching like this?? And why is Raider nation letting this go like no big deal? If Al Davis had pulled this move, then this blog would be on fire!!
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Relax. He might not even make the first cut.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
Len…part of it too…but foul play happened Saturday night….no way would Tagliabue allow Al to embarrass the NFL like he did with Rozelle….I will never buy that story
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A conspiracy theory for sure…
But I’m not beyond considering it.
Barrett had been “good” for years.
Strange time to fall off the wagon.
Who knows?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue is a terrible coach cuz why?
-The team underachieved. This was a playoff caliber team and Hue failed to get all this talent into the playoffs therefore he sucks?
-If this team had all the talent needed to get us into the playoffs and perhaps beyond, than why is there a need to “blow it all up” and “rebuild”.
Which is it?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
Vr…Pauly? Damn don’t know who that is….they all same to me…I’ll let u do the Ital on Ital crime
February 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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Your reaching.
Al Davis signed guys with checkered pasts all day long.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
The common perception, because of a couple of instances, is that Herrera as perennially at war with the media and those who critcized Davis. Couldn’t be farther from the truth. Most of us understood that when he had an issue with something we said or wrote, he was carrying out orders from the top.
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Jerry’s defense of Herrera is like someone trying to say that Joseph Goebbels was just taking orders, but overall he was a good guy.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Djohnnyg 235
“blow it all up” and “rebuild”.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue is a terrible coach cuz why?
-The team underachieved. This was a playoff caliber team and Hue failed to get all this talent into the playoffs therefore he sucks?
-If this team had all the talent needed to get us into the playoffs and perhaps beyond, than why is there a need to “blow it all up” and “rebuild”.
Which is it?
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I dont see 2 options.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:43 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Len….robbins is bipolar and near mexico before SB and no one from Raiders are watching him or making him take meds? Please…if u believe that then you believe JFK was off’d by LHO….lies…we keep finding out everyday we being lied to
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Ya I was aware of the Bi Polar condition.
I’ve known for quite some time that we are being lied too.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
Meanwhile, Rod Woodson just lost a defensive backs coaching position to…Hue Jackson.
He must really suck.
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Good point Duck.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
I hope this blog doesnt overreact and over analyze every move made this off-season.
Who am I kidding, you will.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Len…they said Robbins couldn’t handle pressure according to sources….wow he missed 14 games in 01 and didn’t play vs pats and 2000 he was in afc title game…now he wants to run from it? Don’t buy it and never will….Pats bs yearbefore was all I had to see….they never would let Al win again….fkin doctored league
February 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Mark Clemens, 238
Joseph Goebbels ?? lol
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Hue is a terrible coach cuz why?
-The team underachieved. This was a playoff caliber team and Hue failed to get all this talent into the playoffs therefore he sucks?
-If this team had all the talent needed to get us into the playoffs and perhaps beyond, than why is there a need to “blow it all up” and “rebuild”.
Which is it?
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It’s both. The team had talent, but no chemistry or discipline. We need to blow up and rebuild, and Hue is not the right person to do it.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
194.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The league shouldn’t even let Hue work for Cincy. How the hell dude gonna mortgage our future like that for Palmer and give them picks and then go work for them cats? If that sh!t ain’t hilarious….
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As if Hue wanted to get fired and have to look for another job in the first place.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
A Joe Goebbels reference hahahahahahahahahaha
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hue crack you pos turn coat, lying manipulative two faced weasel!!!! YOU AND THE BUNGLES DESERVE ONE ANOTHER!!!
Oh can you make a trade to bring palmer with you?
smh
February 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
That’s taking it to the extreme. But, remember Herrera was in his hay day mid 70’s through the late 80’s. This was when AD was feared as being a member of the Hells Angeles MC.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Cork is just ripping into Hue on twitter.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:44 pm
Len…they said Robbins couldn’t handle pressure according to sources….wow he missed 14 games in 01 and didn’t play vs pats and 2000 he was in afc title game…now he wants to run from it? Don’t buy it and never will….Pats bs yearbefore was all I had to see….they never would let Al win again….fkin doctored league
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Are you implying the league had something to do with Robbins actions?..
February 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:47 pm
Dakota Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
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Yes Lakers, Go.
Go Away.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Are you implying the league had something to do with Robbins actions?..
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I heard someone working for the league spiked his drink wit LSD.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Len I never believed he was bipolar….he had weekly spot segment on Raiders Flagship station….you not shooting that to a bipolar mthfka….puhleeze…I know better than that…can’t fool B@uce
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Cork is just ripping into Hue on twitter
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please share
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Are you implying the league had something to do with Robbins actions?..
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I heard someone working for the league spiked his drink wit LSD.
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Ummm. OK.
When you say heard.. you mean…?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
All this time I told you fools that Hue was nothing but Pimpin Magnificent, should have his shiny pate cracked by the ghost of AL wielding a pool cue, etc. etc.
That was in my AL D. Davis days, and I was kicked off the blog because of it.
Now the chickens come home to roost.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
GOOOOO CUBS!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Yes Lakers, Go.
Go Away.
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This.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Cork is just ripping into Hue on twitter
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please share
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My favorite was Cork retweeting “Hue says Taylor Mays will start practicing this week.”
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
Jerry McDonald @Jerrymcd Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Wonder if Bengals’ Marvin Lewis is aware he might have just hired his successor.
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Yep
February 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
GOOOOOO LAKERS!
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Who ???
Go Heat!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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Your reaching.
Al Davis signed guys with checkered pasts all day long.
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Spoken like someone who has no idea what the Raiders were about under Al Davis. All of those players with “checkered pasts” produced on the field. In fact recently the Raiders haven’t had many players that have been in trouble with the law. In fact name a couple of recent Raiders with checkered pasts that Al Davis signed.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Cork is just ripping into Hue on twitter
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please share
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My favorite was Cork retweeting “Hue says Taylor Mays will start practicing this week.”
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I liked “how long before Hue starts calling the owner Coach Brown”, classic
February 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
Steve Corkran @CorkOnTheNFL Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
“@justn_dustn: @CorkOnTheNFL Hue a better option than Woodson to coach DB’s? — Can’t imagine. Hall of Famer vs. first-ballot self promoter.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
249.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hue crack you pos turn coat, lying manipulative two faced weasel!!!! YOU AND THE BUNGLES DESERVE ONE ANOTHER!!!
Oh can you make a trade to bring palmer with you?
smh
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Hue is a traitor and a turncoat for having the nerve to get fired from his HC job just so he could get an asst. job with his old team?
How dare him look for other work after the Raiders fired him.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
Remember, I was saying Hue and Sandusky were caught with there pants down at their ankles rolling in the back seat of Hue’s Escalade ???
Of course such a wild claim would never be believed as fact by a reasonable man: I just said it to emphasize my claim that Hue was rotten to the core.
Now…..the chickens come home to roost.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:50 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
DT42 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:38 pm
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Your reaching.
Al Davis signed guys with checkered pasts all day long.
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Spoken like someone who has no idea what the Raiders were about under Al Davis. All of those players with “checkered pasts” produced on the field. In fact recently the Raiders haven’t had many players that have been in trouble with the law. In fact name a couple of recent Raiders with checkered pasts that Al Davis signed.
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Ya cuz Daunte Culpepper was just lights out for us.
Please do not try and tell me I dont understand anything about Al Davis or the Raiders. Especially on a internet blog.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
DennisVisor….fk do u think? Don’t ask a question you know the answer to buddy…….HELL FKIN YEAH THEY BEEN DOING IT TO AL SINCE 72!…..remember Elway deal being nixed? Pats game? Come on where there is smoke there is fire…where there is blood…well you get my point
February 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Len I never believed he was bipolar….he had weekly spot segment on Raiders Flagship station….you not shooting that to a bipolar mthfka….puhleeze…I know better than that…can’t fool B@uce
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Gotta dis agree.
I think it was after his rookie year there was an article in the paper about Barrett, and it involved an “episode” that was handled internally.
His behavior post football would also lend credence to a problem.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
Len I never believed he was bipolar….he had weekly spot segment on Raiders Flagship station….you not shooting that to a bipolar mthfka….puhleeze…I know better than that…can’t fool B@uce
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Gotta dis agree.
I think it was after his rookie year there was an article in the paper about Barrett, and it involved an “episode” that was handled internally.
His behavior post football would also lend credence to a problem.
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He’s not the only nutbar we’ve had. Remember when Cole Ford tried to shoot up Siegfried and Roy’s place?
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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the difference is cutler and orton made their teams better, palmer….not so much
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
DennisVisor….fk do u think? Don’t ask a question you know the answer to buddy…….HELL FKIN YEAH THEY BEEN DOING IT TO AL SINCE 72!…..remember Elway deal being nixed? Pats game? Come on where there is smoke there is fire…where there is blood…well you get my point
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Everytime I want to say your an idiot, ignorant blogger, know nothing & embarass your kind… You say something like this… AND TOTALLY redeem yourself
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Anyhow…out for now….Happy hour soon…y’all be cool
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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the difference is cutler and orton made their teams better, palmer….not so much
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Cutler & Orton made their team better?..
Is this Hue Jackson?!?!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Visor lmao….good one….real good.I apllaud the Llyod and Harry reference
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
He’s not the only nutbar we’ve had. Remember when Cole Ford tried to shoot up Siegfried and Roy’s place?
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LOL! Yes…and dude looked like a Crazy Grizzly Adams.
Fuuuuk
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:51 pm
249.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Hue crack you pos turn coat, lying manipulative two faced weasel!!!! YOU AND THE BUNGLES DESERVE ONE ANOTHER!!!
Oh can you make a trade to bring palmer with you?
smh
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Hue is a traitor and a turncoat for having the nerve to get fired from his HC job just so he could get an asst. job with his old team?
How dare him look for other work after the Raiders fired him.
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no he earned this for what he did to my beloved silver and black. Hu Cracks regime set us back for years to come
February 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Visor lmao….good one….real good.I apllaud the Llyod and Harry reference
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Be safe this weekend Raider.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
For real I’m gone…..Al Davis is still the greatest sports figure ever! There choke on that! Good day
February 17th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
“Hue says Taylor Mays will start practicing this week.”
Wonder if Bengals’ Marvin Lewis is aware he might have just hired his successor.
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LOL!
February 17th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
So then since Hubert pulled off the greatest trade in sports (greatest for Cincy and CP) worth tens of millions and mulitple draft picks, and part of it is a secret handshake collateral deal in which Cincy, if HueJack gets fired by the Raiders, brokering such a one sided deal being part of reason for the firing, agrees to hire Hue.
Nice contractual touch !
February 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Method To My Madness, 283
Drink up Method, the LSD is kicking in now.
February 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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the difference is cutler and orton made their teams better, palmer….not so much
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Cutler & Orton made their team better?..
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dont know if you noticed but cutler went deep into the playoffs. Hate him or love him, when he went down so did the bears.
palmer on the other hand was left to rot on his couch and passed over for an unproven rookie, then came to my city and stunk up the joint.
Cutler made the bears better, palmer helped the raiders flop
February 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
“how long before Hue starts calling the owner Coach Brown”
Hue a better option than Woodson to coach DB’s? — Can’t imagine. Hall of Famer vs. first-ballot self promoter.
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LOL!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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LOL. You can’t be logical with the guys on this board.
Half of them screaming Palmer sucks are just racist and want a black QB.
The other half that don’t like him didn’t like him before he came here so they are at least staying true to themselves. (Although none of them can come up with a better option at this point. Except maybe the ones saying Pryor will be the next great QB – which most likely puts them in the first group.)
If Palmer went to any other team last year with no offseason and produced the way he did with the Raiders the media would be all over his nuts.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
who are the Lakers playing against?
Go Suns!!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Culpepper??? Thats it? stop it your starting to embarrass yourself. Oh and charges against Culpepper were dropped in ‘06. The only reach is that you think you know anything Raiders. I think your late for the MR fan boy meeting.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Wasbanned, 289:
“LOL. You can’t be logical with the guys on this board.
Half of them screaming Palmer sucks are just racist and want a black QB.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Wasbanned,
huh ??
February 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Ok if Hue sucked cuz he couldn’t coach up this great team of talent we have and get us to the playoffs, then with a few defensive tweeks this great team we have that shoud have achieved greatness will at least be 13-3 next yr. under new management.
Okay.
I’m down with that.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Palmer did make the Raiders better. Without that trade, Raiders would have been -11 at best.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hue to the Bengals. coaching secondary? what in the hell? isnt he an offensive guy?
this all smells to me like “i owed you a favor”
February 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
*5-11 at best
February 17th, 2012 at 3:05 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
dont know if you noticed but cutler went deep into the playoffs. Hate him or love him, when he went down so did the bears.
palmer on the other hand was left to rot on his couch and passed over for an unproven rookie, then came to my city and stunk up the joint.
Cutler made the bears better, palmer helped the raiders flop
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Palmer passed over? lol.. The Bengals dont even draft Dalton if Palmer didnt ‘retire’…Your memory is a bit jaded.
So 1 year Cutler doesnt make the playoffs with the Bears, then they hire Martz & make the playoffs..
But Cutler made them better? Interesting.
You still didnt expound on Orton either.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
289,youre post nailed it,period.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Palmers 417 yds. passing that last game against SD shows that he was only getting better as the season went on.
I don’t worry about Palmer, I worry about that historically awful defense that blew 4 games for us last year.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Djohnnyg, 293
when pigs fly, Johnny.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Could anyone who thinks Palmer HURT this team tell me with a straight face that we would have gone 8-8 with KYLE BOLLER at QB?!?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
wasbanned Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:00 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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LOL. You can’t be logical with the guys on this board.
Half of them screaming Palmer sucks are just racist and want a black QB.
The other half that don’t like him didn’t like him before he came here so they are at least staying true to themselves. (Although none of them can come up with a better option at this point. Except maybe the ones saying Pryor will be the next great QB – which most likely puts them in the first group.)
If Palmer went to any other team last year with no offseason and produced the way he did with the Raiders the media would be all over his
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that is a very weak defense. being dissatisfied with palmers lack of leadership, falure to have a postive impact, and the out of control interception total has nothing to do with racism, or any other predisposition.
This is simply about raider fans wanting more and expecting more from the starting qb of their favorite team.
In all my years of watching football i have never seen the media “on the nuts” of a qb that threw 16 picks in 9 starts, or 30 picks in 19 starts.
You dont have to make up a bunch of bs , admitting that you like a qb for something other than what happened on the field last year is ok. fans have favorites, it is expected & it is your right
February 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
290.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
who are the Lakers playing against?
Go Suns!!
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YOOOOOOOOU BASSSSSTARD!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
dont know if you noticed but cutler went deep into the playoffs. Hate him or love him, when he went down so did the bears.
palmer on the other hand was left to rot on his couch and passed over for an unproven rookie, then came to my city and stunk up the joint.
Cutler made the bears better, palmer helped the raiders flop
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Cutler was not very good his first year on the Bears, 27TDs/26Ints and 7-9 record. So your point would be we should give Palmer a chance, just like Cutler? So he can take us deep into the playoffs?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
Ok if Hue sucked cuz he couldn’t coach up this great team of talent we have and get us to the playoffs, then with a few defensive tweeks this great team we have that shoud have achieved greatness will at least be 13-3 next yr. under new management.
Okay.
I’m down with that.
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Hue’s coaching abilites have nothing to do with the talent or lack of that was or wasnt on this team.
He wasnt a good “coach”
Put Tom Coughlin as an OC and he probably stinks it up. But as a Coach… you see the results OBVIOUSLY
February 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:06 pm
Palmers 417 yds. passing that last game against SD shows that he was only getting better as the season went on.
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the three picks that bounced off charger defenders chest in the first half show me the opposite. Along with the season ending pick at the end of the game.
no thanks
February 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
Hue to the Bengals. coaching secondary? what in the hell? isnt he an offensive guy?
this all smells to me like “i owed you a favor”
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Smells to me like Huejax promised them that he could deliver Routt and maybe Branch. Whole thing stinks to me.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If hue got a job opportunity and knew there were few more options I am sure he would take it just like any other man that has a family to provide for. That fool knew he wasn’t getting a hc or oc gig so I am sure hell downgrade even though he probably don’t know schit Abbott either or. Especially when her ran the raiders.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If one wants to be a fan of a washed-up, over-the-hill QB who will never be better than he was last season, it fine with me too.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
The season ending pick that Ford messed up the route on?.. Oh ok.. HILARIOUS.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Could anyone who thinks Palmer HURT this team tell me with a straight face that we would have gone 8-8 with KYLE BOLLER at QB?!?
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popular retort but flawed. What proof do we have that boller couldnt have thrown 16 picks in 9 games and flame out while staggering to 8-8 finish?
In fact as of this moment i dont see much difference between the two, they both have a terrible habbit of multiple pick performances.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Hue = desperate
February 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
If one wants to be a fan of a washed-up, over-the-hill QB who will never be better than he was last season, it fine with me too.
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Especially when he is the best option this team has.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Anyone want to take bets on who will have a better season in 2012?
Carson Palmer?
Jason Campbell?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
Could anyone who thinks Palmer HURT this team tell me with a straight face that we would have gone 8-8 with KYLE BOLLER at QB?!?
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popular retort but flawed. What proof do we have that boller couldnt have thrown 16 picks in 9 games and flame out while staggering to 8-8 finish?
In fact as of this moment i dont see much difference between the two, they both have a terrible habbit of multiple pick performances.
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Question is does Boller get the whole training camp or not?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Anyone want to take bets on who will have a better season in 2012?
Carson Palmer?
Jason Campbell?
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Palmer. Easy money. Jason wont start enough games
February 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Anyone want to take bets on who will have a better season in 2012?
Carson Palmer?
Jason Campbell?
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Palmer. By far.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Routte & branch = gallarey & z. Millet.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
RaiderLen, 314
I’ll place my money on CP, until JC rolls up that bottom lip which currently rests on his knee.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
Branch isnt going anywhere.
That future Pro Bowler will be a fixture in our secondary for years..
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Lets see now,Brien leaves and mystic shows up,both/or one/hate Palmer!Interesting,No?Hmmm
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Palmer is the clear choice.
This gets to the heart of the matter concerning the whole Palmer…Campbell “debate”
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
JC, upon arriving here had to learn a new offense and get comfortable with new teammates. He had a rookie WR (ford), unproven Top 10 pick (DHB), another unproven Top 10 pick (DMc), a spotty OL, a HC who didn’t want him (Cable), a fan/HC favorite backing him up (Grads), an injury shortened pre-season, AND 6 qtrs to get it all together. Mind you, we had no direction as an offense OR as a team then. We were a joke offensively. Carson had it easy coming here compared to what JC went through. Why is it that we have been a worse team without JC, (4-9) than without DMc, (6-7)? It was Campbell who stabilized this offense.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
Okay, I have one question: how can a group of people be BOTH inbred AND cross-breeders?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:16 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
dont know if you noticed but cutler went deep into the playoffs. Hate him or love him, when he went down so did the bears.
palmer on the other hand was left to rot on his couch and passed over for an unproven rookie, then came to my city and stunk up the joint.
Cutler made the bears better, palmer helped the raiders flop
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Cutler was not very good his first year on the Bears, 27TDs/26Ints and 7-9 record. So your point would be we should give Palmer a chance, just like Cutler? So he can take us deep into the playoffs?
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clever dutch, but that isnt my take at all. My point is I cant compare the palmer trade with the cutler trade. Cutler has won in the playoffs, regardless of how long it took for him to get there. palmer in the league much longer has not,until he does i cant compare these two, with any hopes of it being favorable for palmer.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Question is does Boller get the whole training camp or not?
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He already did. TWICE. Didn’t do any good, either. Dump him and get a legit #2 in here, rather than someone who just plays like #2.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Cutler had 12 Ints in his first 9 starts of 2009…Mistic you are giving me hope that Palmer is going to turn it around!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Palmer throws it downl field with balls, Jc to scared to drop da bomb he would rather check down to hb, te. Palmer with .off season with familiar faces will dominate.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
JC, upon arriving here had to learn a new offense and get comfortable with new teammates. He had a rookie WR (ford), unproven Top 10 pick (DHB), another unproven Top 10 pick (DMc), a spotty OL, a HC who didn’t want him (Cable), a fan/HC favorite backing him up (Grads), an injury shortened pre-season, AND 6 qtrs to get it all together. Mind you, we had no direction as an offense OR as a team then. We were a joke offensively. Carson had it easy coming here compared to what JC went through. Why is it that we have been a worse team without JC, (4-9) than without DMc, (6-7)? It was Campbell who stabilized this offense.
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Hue Jackson was our OC last year. Our offense was a joke the year before.. nice try though.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Better win %, QB rating, TD/INT ratio, and YPA the last 4 seasons and there’s still the question of who’s the better QB?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Question is does Boller get the whole training camp or not?
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He already did. TWICE. Didn’t do any good, either. Dump him and get a legit #2 in here, rather than someone who just plays like #2.
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I was being sarcastic brethren.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
With the past system installed (and entrenched) for years – Big AL’s intermeddling – the best QB in the history of the NFL would have made no difference: we had everyone in there from Culpepper to Collins, to Bozo the circus clown. None of them made a real difference.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
JC, upon arriving here had to learn a new offense and get comfortable with new teammates. He had a rookie WR (ford), unproven Top 10 pick (DHB), another unproven Top 10 pick (DMc), a spotty OL, a HC who didn’t want him (Cable), a fan/HC favorite backing him up (Grads), an injury shortened pre-season, AND 6 qtrs to get it all together. Mind you, we had no direction as an offense OR as a team then. We were a joke offensively. Carson had it easy coming here compared to what JC went through. Why is it that we have been a worse team without JC, (4-9) than without DMc, (6-7)? It was Campbell who stabilized this offense.
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very very interesting, i have never broken it down or seen it put into perspective quite like this.
Well hard to argue with that one
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I was talking about when JC arrived. Therefore, Palmer gets no “off of the couch” excuse for his horrible ending to this season.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Better win %, QB rating, TD/INT ratio, and YPA the last 4 seasons and there’s still the question of who’s the better QB?
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He lost in the “getting benched for Bruce Gradkowski” category.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Better win %, QB rating, TD/INT ratio, and YPA the last 4 seasons and there’s still the question of who’s the better QB?
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WOW, this cat is kicking the jc haters azz!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
How well can Campbell ever play with that droopy bottom lip ?? He keeps tripping over it.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
We all know JC’s 1st 6 qtrs with us was uneven to say the least. He was benched and started again only after Grads was injured vs SD. Then he had the clunker vs SF. That’s 12 qtrs of work. I will now show you how the the pass game opened things up for the run gm.
Oct. 24, 2010 vs Den:
1st and 10 at OAK 20 J.Campbell pass short left to L.Murphy to OAK 29 for 9 yards (P.Cox).
2nd and 1 at OAK 29 D.McFadden left tackle to OAK 29 for no gain (D.Williams).
3rd and 1 at OAK 29 M.Reece up the middle to OAK 31 for 2 yards (J.Mays).
1st and 10 at OAK 31 J.Campbell pass short left to Z.Miller to OAK 36 for 5 yards (N.Jones).
2nd and 5 at OAK 36 J.Campbell pass incomplete deep right to L.Murphy (C.Bailey).
Timeout #1 by OAK at 12:33.
3rd and 10 at OAK 31 (Shotgun) J.Campbell scrambles up the middle pushed ob at OAK 46 for 15 yards (N.Jones).
1st and 10 at OAK 46 (Shotgun) M.Reece right guard to DEN 49 for 5 yards (J.Mays).
2nd and 5 at DEN 49 J.Ford left end pushed ob at DEN 43 for 6 yards (N.Jones).
1st and 10 at DEN 43 J.Campbell pass deep left to Z.Miller for 43 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Lol..
February 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Chris Johnson then picks off a pass for 6. That’s 14 pts BEFORE DMc gained 1 yd of his 165 rushing yds. 15 rush yds, 57 pass yds by Campbell. We can now establish the run game with the lead. Game Over
February 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
DEATHROW 55 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Palmer throws it downl field with balls, Jc to scared to drop da bomb he would rather check down to hb, te. Palmer with .off season with familiar faces will dominate.
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what good is “throwing it downfield with balsls” when it lands in the other teams hands?
30 picks in his last 19 starts 8 returned for picks
February 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
DEATHROW 55 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Palmer throws it downl field with balls, Jc to scared to drop da bomb he would rather check down to hb, te. Palmer with .off season with familiar faces will dominate.
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what good is “throwing it downfield with balsls” when it lands in the other teams hands?
30 picks in his last 19 starts 8 returned for touchdowns
February 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Hendu Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Lets see now,Brien leaves and mystic shows up,both/or one/hate Palmer!Interesting,No?Hmmm
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I can see that. Brien is Mistic’s psycho persona.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Better win %, QB rating, TD/INT ratio, and YPA the last 4 seasons and there’s still the question of who’s the better QB?
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And Eli Manning led the NFL in picks, yet hoisted the Super Bowl MVP.
Whats your point?
We want Eli types, Not Alex Smith types.
NEXT
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Oct 31, 2010 vs Sea: We lead 3-0 at the end of 1st qtr. DMc has 7 rush yds.
1st and 10 at OAK 13 D.McFadden left end to OAK 21 for 8 yards (A.Curry, L.Tatupu).
2nd and 2 at OAK 21 (No Huddle) M.Reece up the middle to OAK 22 for 1 yard (C.Cole).
3rd and 1 at OAK 22 (No Huddle) J.Campbell up the middle to OAK 23 for 1 yard (Team).
1st and 10 at OAK 23 K.Barnes reported in as eligible. J.Campbell pass short left to D.Heyward-Bey pushed ob at OAK 35 for 12 yards (N.Ness).
1st and 10 at OAK 35 D.McFadden left tackle to OAK 37 for 2 yards (R.Brock).
2nd and 3 at OAK 42 D.McFadden left end to OAK 39 for -3 yards (D.Hawthorne).
3rd and 6 at OAK 39 (Shotgun)
J.Campbell pass short left to J.Ford to OAK 48 for 9 yards (E.Thomas;
N.Ness). OAK-J.Ford was injured during the play. His return is
Questionable.
1st and 10 at OAK 48 K.Barnes reported in as eligible. J.Campbell pass short right to D.McFadden to SEA 39 for 13 yards (C.Cole).
1st and 10 at SEA 39 D.McFadden left end to SEA 38 for 1 yard (A.Curry).
2nd and 9 at SEA 38 J.Campbell pass incomplete short left to J.Higgins.
3rd and 9 at SEA 38 M.Bush left tackle to SEA 30 for 8 yards (J.Babineaux; K.Cox).
Timeout #1 by OAK at 09:00.
4th and 1 at SEA 30 K.Barnes reported in as eligible. J.Campbell pass short left to M.Reece for 30 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
No more blog comments about Herrera? Jerry’s “defense” for the guy has had such an obvious impact!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Mistic attempts to woo the ladies with his smooth talk and proper dating etiquette while Brien prefers skanks that he can drunk and take advantage of.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Ok he was 6th in INTs..lol
You get the point.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Hendu Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Lets see now,Brien leaves and mystic shows up,both/or one/hate Palmer!Interesting,No?Hmmm
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I can see that. Brien is Mistic’s psycho persona.
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sorry fellas, b is cool but there is only 1 SupaVillain
February 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
C2E Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
No more blog comments about Herrera? Jerry’s “defense” for the guy has had such an obvious impact!
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Herrera’s gone. He’s yesterday. On to the next crisis!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I was talking about when JC arrived. Therefore, Palmer gets no “off of the couch” excuse for his horrible ending to this season.
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Funny how you would mention Palmer’s horrible end to the season.
That falls on the D.
Of Palmer’s 16 int’s 37.5% came in the 1st 2 games of having gotten “off the couch”… another 25% came in a game in GB when the team collectively laid down.
Palmer was not the problem.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
C2E Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
No more blog comments about Herrera? Jerry’s “defense” for the guy has had such an obvious impact!
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Not true. I compared him to Joseph Goebbels.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Did JC really have it that tough ?? AD personally called him the re-incarnation of Jim Plunkett, and Hue just gushed and squirted all over himself declaring that JC was our man for now and the future. JC was ushered in with all the support, fanfare and red carpet treatment, then boned out after 6 quarters.
Fact of the matter is, JC is a great talent: as a backup #2 QB, and game manager. He should be able to milk that ability for the rest of his career to the tune of $20M. Nothing wrong with that.
A man must know his weaknesses.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
7t E. Manning NYG 16 92.9 589 359 61.0 4933 8.38 308.3 29 16
7t C. Palmer Oak 10 80.5 328 199 60.7 2753 8.39 275.3 13 16
February 17th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
194.SilverAndBlackBleeder Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
The league shouldn’t even let Hue work for Cincy. How the hell dude gonna mortgage our future like that for Palmer and give them picks and then go work for them cats? If that sh!t ain’t hilarious….
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As if Hue wanted to get fired and have to look for another job in the first place.
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Obviously I’m somewhat joking…..the point behind me saying it is he mortgaged our future for a ridiculously over-rated QB and now he gets to be a part of enjoying the fruits of the deal. Sh!t is hilarious when you think about it.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Cutler had 12 Ints in his first 9 starts of 2009…Mistic you are giving me hope that Palmer is going to turn it around!
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dutch, i hear you, i HOPE he does turn it around, but it doesnt look good at the moment.
he went out with a wimper in the final game and nearly had another 4 pick game!!!
Yuck
February 17th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Every player on the Bungals should have “pretty toes” by the start of OTA’s. Good job Hue. Found something you can handle. Hue’s official title with the Bungles I hear is special assistant to the head coach in charge of team hygiene!
You da man Hue!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Congrats to Hue
February 17th, 2012 at 3:31 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
I was talking about when JC arrived. Therefore, Palmer gets no “off of the couch” excuse for his horrible ending to this season.
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Funny how you would mention Palmer’s horrible end to the season.
That falls on the D.
Of Palmer’s 16 int’s 37.5% came in the 1st 2 games of having gotten “off the couch”… another 25% came in a game in GB when the team collectively laid down.
Palmer was not the problem.
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this is only part of the story though. he had at least 14 picks dropped this year as well. You might not want to acknowledge them, but coaches do and it brought up in the qb meeting room you can be sure. The number of picks dont truly represent all of the bone headed mis reads and woefully errant throws.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
TD pass by Campbell to extend the lead. DMc 15 rush yds. He will rush for 86 more yds AFTER the game was over. Passing game setting up the run.
Nov 7, 2010 vs KC. DMc finished with 89 yds. The scoring was started by a Ford KR. We all remember the big plays made by Ford AND Campbell late in the 4th and OT.
Nov 21, 2010 vs Pitt. Horrible game by JC and same for the rest of the team.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
314 – with a full camp? Palmer, easily. In fact, he’ll double JC’s Td and yardage totals. JC may beat him in INTs but kinda hard not to when you’re constantly dumping it off and going for the high percentage play. DHB’s talent was wasted with JC. The guy was starting to flourish with Palmer. Throw in a healthy DMAC and Mark Davis may need to replace the scoreboard after this coming season.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Raider Nation-Station
HOT!~ 02-17-12: O LINE DEFINED
“Though they stumbled down the stretch and face a scheme change next season Oaklands O line could be better set than thought.”
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_war_room
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Looks like some stability but who knows with the new regime? I think we could use another lineman and a better center but it’ll take time, Hyer? Not a system fit.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue did sell the joint out, or at least helped.
That’s what good salesmen do, they sell.
Great salesmen, sell, and also produce.
F off Hue!!!!
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Classic!
However as a professional salesman of fine quality automobiles I resent the comparison.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Cutler had 12 Ints in his first 9 starts of 2009…Mistic you are giving me hope that Palmer is going to turn it around!
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dutch, i hear you, i HOPE he does turn it around, but it doesnt look good at the moment.
he went out with a wimper in the final game and nearly had another 4 pick game!!!
Yuck
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Yeah, I do think you have the right to hate on Palmer until/when he proves you wrong. Doesn’t mean I won’t try to make you drink the Palmer-Kool-Aid.
I was pretty down on JC after I sat in the Rain at the Fairy-Niner game. Took some time before I bought back into JC as our QB.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
361. Good post. Good points
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
It’s not uncommon to sometimes have to take a step (or 5) back to move forward :~
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
Dec 5, 2010 vs SD:
1st and 10 at OAK 30 D.McFadden up the middle to OAK 32 for 2 yards (P.Oliver).
2nd and 8 at OAK 32 D.McFadden left end to OAK 37 for 5 yards (E.Weddle).
3rd and 3 at OAK 37 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass incomplete short right to J.Ford.
4th and 3 at OAK 37 S.Lechler
punts 46 yards to SD 17, Center-J.Condo. D.Sproles MUFFS catch,
RECOVERED by OAK-H.Eugene at SD 18. H.Eugene to SD 18 for no gain
(L.English).
1st and 10 at SD 18 J.Campbell pass short left to L.Murphy to SD 19 for -1 yards (A.Cason).
2nd and 11 at SD 19 D.McFadden up the middle to SD 15 for 4 yards (A.Garay).
3rd and 7 at SD 15 (Shotgun) J.Campbell scrambles right end to SD 9 for 6 yards (P.Oliver).
Timeout #1 by OAK at 08:41.
4th and 1 at SD 9 J.Campbell left end for 9 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
That’s 11 rush yds for DMc, 15 yds on 2 scrambles by JC, including a TD on what may be the best PA fake I’ve ever seen
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
7t E. Manning NYG 16 92.9 589 359 61.0 4933 8.38 308.3 29 16
7t C. Palmer Oak 10 80.5 328 199 60.7 2753 8.39 275.3 13 16
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you cant compare these two manning 16 picks but nearly TWICE AS MANY TDS!
palmers totals were upside down to put it mildly. Defenders did him a service by dropping his ridiculous wobblers as well. 13 tds 30 picks in 9 games?!?!?! I COULD COME OFF THE COUCH AND DO THAT
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
The QB meeting room with no QB coach.. Where Hue & Carson never talked cuz he was too busy as reported..That meeting?
Eli Manning has thrown the most picks in the last few years. He also has 2 SB rings.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
1st and 10 at SD 41 J.Campbell pass short right to M.Reece to SD 30 for 11 yards (Q.Jammer).
1st and 10 at SD 30 D.McFadden up the middle to SD 24 for 6 yards (B.Siler, L.Castillo). SD-B.Siler was injured during the play.
2nd and 4 at SD 24 D.McFadden up the middle to SD 22 for 2 yards (K.Burnett).
3rd and 2 at SD 22 D.McFadden left end to SD 21 for 1 yard (J.Cesaire). SD-A.Garay was injured during the play.
4th and 1 at SD 21 J.Campbell up the middle to SD 18 for 3 yards (J.Cesaire). OAK-S.Satele was injured during the play.
1st and 10 at SD 18 M.Bush left end to SD 15 for 3 yards (K.Burnett, A.Cason).
2nd and 7 at SD 15 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short middle to Z.Miller to SD 10 for 5 yards (P.Oliver).
3rd and 2 at SD 10 M.Bush right end to SD 8 for 2 yards (L.Castillo, O.Nwagbuo).
1st and 8 at SD 8 M.Bush right tackle to SD 4 for 4 yards (E.Weddle, P.Oliver).
2nd and 4 at SD 4 M.Bush left guard to SD 4 for no gain (E.Weddle, S.Phillips).
3rd and 4 at SD 4 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short right to J.Ford for 4 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
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CampbellSouped
That’s 14 pts. DMc will rush for 77 more yds AFTER the game is over. 2 TDs by Campbell.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
95.7 story is coming up….Seymour willing to restructure!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
Dec 12, 2010 vs Jax:
1st and 10 at OAK 31 D.McFadden up the middle to OAK 30 for -1 yards (J.Mincey).
2nd and 11 at OAK 30 D.McFadden right end to OAK 33 for 3 yards (A.Lane).
3rd and 8 at OAK 33 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short right to D.McFadden for 67 yards, TOUCHDOWN. 6 0
S.Janikowski extra point is GOOD, Center-J.Condo, Holder-S.Lechler.
6 rush yds for DMc. Yet another instance where the PASS game opened up the scoring AND rush lanes.
CampbellSouped
Dec 19, 2010 vs Den: The run game did it’s thing from start to finish. 100+ for DMc, 71 yd TD run by Ford, 40 rush yds by Campbell.
CampbellSouped
Dec 26, 2010 vs Indy: Ford KR starts off scoring, then a FG fest. 80 yds rush as a team. Campbell finishes with a better rating than Manning.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:34 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:26 pm
7t E. Manning NYG 16 92.9 589 359 61.0 4933 8.38 308.3 29 16
7t C. Palmer Oak 10 80.5 328 199 60.7 2753 8.39 275.3 13 16
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you cant compare these two manning 16 picks but nearly TWICE AS MANY TDS!
palmers totals were upside down to put it mildly. Defenders did him a service by dropping his ridiculous wobblers as well. 13 tds 30 picks in 9 games?!?!?! I COULD COME OFF THE COUCH AND DO THAT
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I was pointing out completion % & YPA. Thanks for pointing out the obvious though Hue.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
this is only part of the story though. he had at least 14 picks dropped this year as well. You might not want to acknowledge them, but coaches do and it brought up in the qb meeting room you can be sure. The number of picks dont truly represent all of the bone headed mis reads and woefully errant throws.
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LOL….
Great phrase… woefully errant…lol
Ya the coaches review film and take ALL attributes and circumstances into consideration.
Palmer will start and Campbell will walk.
Truth seeks it’s own level.
Or as someone else has posted…value seeks it’s own level.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
356,Brien,yuck was Jc tossing the ball to the NE DB,in the end zone,period!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Jan 2, 2011 vs KC:
1st and 10 at OAK 25 OAK69 K. Barnes reported as eligible receiver. J.Campbell sacked at OAK 20 for -5 yards (T.Hali).
2nd and 20 at OAK 15 (Shotgun) J.Campbell scrambles right end pushed ob at OAK 36 for 21 yards (J.McGraw).
1st and 10 at OAK 36 M.Bush left guard to OAK 38 for 2 yards (J.Belcher).
2nd and 8 at OAK 38 J.Campbell pass short middle to M.Bush to OAK 47 for 9 yards (T.Hali, T.Jackson).
1st and 10 at OAK 47 J.Campbell pass incomplete deep left to L.Murphy.
2nd and 10 at OAK 47 (Shotgun) M.Bush up the middle to 50 for 3 yards (E.Berry).
3rd and 7 at 50 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short right to C.Schilens to KC 39 for 11 yards (B.Flowers).
1st and 15 at KC 44 M.Bush right tackle to KC 41 for 3 yards (T.Jackson, J.Belcher).
2nd and 12 at KC 41 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short left to J.Ford pushed ob at KC 6 for 35 yards (E.Berry).
1st and 6 at KC 6 (Shotgun) M.Bush up the middle to KC 5 for 1 yard (W.Gilberry).
2nd and 5 at KC 5 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass incomplete short middle to L.Murphy.
Timeout #2 by OAK at 08:38.
3rd and 5 at KC 5 (Shotgun) J.Campbell pass short right to C.Schilens for 5 yards, TOUCHDOWN.
DMc out, Bush 137 rush yds, 51 at this point (18 when Boller was in the game). Campbell 29 rush yds at this point.
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CampbellSouped
That’s 5 gms, 5 scores by Campbell arms and legs BEFORE the run game got
going. Like I said, the pass game opening up the rush game.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:35 pm
95.7 story is coming up….Seymour willing to restructure!!!
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And this is why Seymour, for all his faults, has more character and maturity than Kam Wimbley will ever have.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
BestintheWest, 345
While the details of your post are admirable Best, it only proves that JC threw a TD pass against a lower tier team that has a long history of losing records, and was worse than horrific at the time of the TD you described was thrown by JC. Seahawks are no Pat’s, Ravens, 49′ers. I wouldn’t stand too proud on JC’s performance.
I could easily throw a TD pass playing kindegartners, all with casts on their legs.
Same as DMAC’s devotees: they love to shout out his stats against the worst teams in the NFL.
Unfortunately they forget he is sub-average against top tier, winning teams. Besides the fact he has never played more that 8 games in a season.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
The Big Banana Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
314 – with a full camp? Palmer, easily. In fact, he’ll double JC’s Td and yardage totals. JC may beat him in INTs but kinda hard not to when you’re constantly dumping it off and going for the high percentage play. DHB’s talent was wasted with JC. The guy was starting to flourish with Palmer. Throw in a healthy DMAC and Mark Davis may need to replace the scoreboard after this coming seaso
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Exactly!
February 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, these ARE NOT JC for president posts. He IS NOT ELITE. He IS NOT a WORLD BEATER. He MAY NOT even be GOOD. However, he IS GREAT for how this team was constructed. The D sucks so we must control the clock, so Campbell doesn’t turn the ball over much and he converts 3rd down.. The OL is suspect, so Campbell uses his feet. There’s plenty of potential stars on offense, so Campbell spreads the ball around. He’s slapped in the face by Hue, Campbell takes one for the team. Fully aware that his Raiders’ days may be over, the injured and insulted Campbell still attended meeting, practices, and games helping out however he could. Here’s the biggest sticking points for me and I’m sure many other Raider fans:
Winning record as a Raider.
Never lost consecutive games as a Raider.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
Bye bye Herrera!
Your cronism is no longer needed with the new Raiders regime. McK wants to rid the building of all the bad karma that has been created the last 10 years.
Good for Hue to be working again back with an NFL team.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
CAREER :
Eli Manning / Carson Palmer
82.1 / 86.3
185 TD / 167 TD
129 INT / 116 INT
25,579 / 25,447
Kiss my grits.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
BestintheWest, 376
Again Best,
KC sucked last year, especially during the first game. It was the same with the Broncos early on in the season.
What happened the second time around. I know CP played but we got our azz’s handed to us, once KC and Denver adjusted in the last half of the season.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:33 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
Cutler had 12 Ints in his first 9 starts of 2009…Mistic you are giving me hope that Palmer is going to turn it around!
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dutch, i hear you, i HOPE he does turn it around, but it doesnt look good at the moment.
he went out with a wimper in the final game and nearly had another 4 pick game!!!
Yuck
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Yeah, I do think you have the right to hate on Palmer until/when he proves you wrong. Doesn’t mean I won’t try to make you drink the Palmer-Kool-Aid.
I was pretty down on JC after I sat in the Rain at the Fairy-Niner game. Took some time before I bought back into JC as our QB.
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dutch i like this post,but to be fair it isnt hate for palmer that you see in my post, it is extreme dissatisfaction.
I mean watching pick after mind blowing pick conjured up memories of schroeder, marc wilson, and rick mirer.
His screw ups were putrid, i want better play from our qb, that is all
February 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
BestintheWest, #380
Thanks for the concession Best: I can live with your explanation there.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:41 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
Before anyone gets their panties in a bunch, these ARE NOT JC for president posts. He IS NOT ELITE. He IS NOT a WORLD BEATER. He MAY NOT even be GOOD. However, he IS GREAT for how this team was constructed. The D sucks so we must control the clock, so Campbell doesn’t turn the ball over much and he converts 3rd down.. The OL is suspect, so Campbell uses his feet. There’s plenty of potential stars on offense, so Campbell spreads the ball around. He’s slapped in the face by Hue, Campbell takes one for the team. Fully aware that his Raiders’ days may be over, the injured and insulted Campbell still attended meeting, practices, and games helping out however he could. Here’s the biggest sticking points for me and I’m sure many other Raider fans:
Winning record as a Raider.
Never lost consecutive games as a Raider.
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boom in a nutshell
February 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
CAREER :
Eli Manning / Carson Palmer
82.1 / 86.3
185 TD / 167 TD
129 INT / 116 INT
25,579 / 25,447
Kiss my grits.
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what have you done for me latley? manning had a far better season than palmer THIS year and won the whole thing. where manning seems to be improving palmer is going the other way
February 17th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Did he ever win 3 games in a row as a Raider?
Remember were trying to win, not trying to ‘not lose’
February 17th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Winning record as a Raider.
Never lost consecutive games as a Raider.
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boom in a nutshell
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When Jason starts somewhere else next year, let’s revisit this stat.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
#379, Campbell has a better YPA than Palmer in 3 of the past 4 seasons, including having a better comp %. Palmer is declining. Plain and simple.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
CAREER :
Eli Manning / Carson Palmer
82.1 / 86.3
185 TD / 167 TD
129 INT / 116 INT
25,579 / 25,447
Kiss my grits.
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what have you done for me latley? manning had a far better season than palmer THIS year and won the whole thing. where manning seems to be improving palmer is going the other way
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Eli didnt start the year with no training camp sitting at home one week starting a NFl game the next.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Palmer vs Campbell, really?
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
what have you done for me latley? manning had a far better season than palmer THIS year and won the whole thing. where manning seems to be improving palmer is going the other way
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Where Manning had a D that stepped up in the last 5 weeks of the season, Palmer had one that completely collapsed.
Not to mention no outside perimeter threat from the RB position.
We can play this game all day.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain, 384
“I mean watching pick after mind blowing pick conjured up memories of schroeder, marc wilson, and rick mirer.”
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Mistic1,
So true. If you analyze Raider QBs after Plunkett retired we haven’t had a great one, with the exception of Gannon, who retired due to injury.
It is part of the Raider problem in producing only 9 winning seasons in the past 29 yrs.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Eli>>>Carson all day, every day.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
How quickly we forget the threaded dart Carson Palmer threw to Marcel Reece.
Or the deep balls that ended up in the 1st row from Jason.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
387,says WHO? Brien/mystic YAWN
February 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
wow. that Carson Palmer hate meter is almost all the way up to Stu Schwigert level.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Eli>>>Carson all day, every day.
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Men lie, women lie.. #’s dont.
They are practically 2 in the same. One just happens to have a better team around him.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I have no problem with CP, except to say that he will never be better than he was this season. So the club will just have to adapt and live with that.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
what have you done for me latley? manning had a far better season than palmer THIS year and won the whole thing. where manning seems to be improving palmer is going the other way
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Where Manning had a D that stepped up in the last 5 weeks of the season, Palmer had one that completely collapsed.
Not to mention no outside perimeter threat from the RB position.
We can play this game all day.
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RL,
can you make a case for the comparison between these two based on what they did, as opposed to trying find excuses for one? manning threw more tds than picks palmer had more picks than tds. Simple math
February 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Alright, im steppin out like a WR going for a deep ball from Jason Campbell.
Have a good one..
February 17th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
#396. It was overshadowed by INTs. As a matter of fact, nearly HALF of Palmers YDs and TDs happened AFTER the game was out of hand.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Jim Trotter on 95.7: Sunday, Seymour told Trotter that he is willing to extend his contract…
If Wimbley is cut tommorrow he is guaranteed $6.5M…
February 17th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Jason Campbell is the best career .500 QB I ever saw chub a running slide…
February 17th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I have no problem with CP, except to say that he will never be better than he was this season. So the club will just have to adapt and live with that.
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then we are in serious trouble cause this season he spent the first games at home then had 2 weeks to get in shape, learn the playbook, feel his teamates. if this is the best, then CP is a piece of hot trash.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Oh yeah that Campbell threw the very finest deep out of bounds ball I ever saw. Was $hitacular…
February 17th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Campbell also has a better 4th qtr QB rating than Palmer AND he’s undefeated in the division AND he is 2-1 WITHOUT DMc guiding the team to 27 ppg in those gms.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Campbell also has a better 4th qtr QB rating than Palmer AND he’s undefeated in the division AND he is 2-1 WITHOUT DMc guiding the team to 27 ppg in those gms.
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AND unemployed.
February 17th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RL,
can you make a case for the comparison between these two based on what they did, as opposed to trying find excuses for one? manning threw more tds than picks palmer had more picks than tds. Simple math
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Sure
Take Eli manning off the couch in week 4 or 5 and throw Him into the starting line up with WR’s and a system that he has to become familiar with.
Then measure the results.
Simple observation of reality.
Ask any Coach how they would feel about throwing ANYONE into that mix.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
What does everybody think of Colt McCoy?
Browns are going to draft a QB?
I could see the Browns signing JC or a vet?
What happens to McCoy, would they keep him?
Browns had zero offensive weapons (Hurt Hillis)?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Not for long.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
DennisAllensVisor Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:50 pm
Alright, im steppin out like a WR going for a deep ball from Jason Campbell.
Have a good one..
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LOL
Beautiful.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
If Cork or McDonald posted an article titled, “Mark Davis moves Raiders to Oklahoma City”, there would be 400 posts on here about whether Palmer or Campbell would be better suited to lead them. Palmer has a contract. Campbell doesn’t. You may now continue beating this dead horse until something “official” happens. Good day.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
410,bingo!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
well. Matt Flynn with one good game under his belt will get much more attention and money than JC. in other news the QB starting for your Oakland Raiders is Carson Palmer.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
If Cork or McDonald posted an article titled, “Mark Davis moves Raiders to Oklahoma City”, there would be 400 posts on here about whether Palmer or Campbell would be better suited to lead them. Palmer has a contract. Campbell doesn’t. You may now continue beating this dead horse until something “official” happens. Good day.
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So what stadium deals would be available in Oklahoma City?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
well. Matt Flynn with one good game under his belt will get much more attention and money than JC. in other news the QB starting for your Oakland Raiders is Carson Palmer.
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I wonder why?
I mean Palmer has a Big price tag.
They could trade him for a pick(s) and sign Jason for much less and be better…Right?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
It all sounds like built in excuses for a QB many on this site believe is “elite”. Even if you called his 1st 4 gms his preseason, he still ended the season horribly. His TOs is the problem and it has been long before he “got off of the coach”.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:49 pm
All this time I told you fools that Hue was nothing but Pimpin Magnificent, should have his shiny pate cracked by the ghost of AL wielding a pool cue, etc. etc.
That was in my AL D. Davis days, and I was kicked off the blog because of it.
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Umm, no troll — We all know why you were kicked-off the blog…because you are a racist, even though you keep trying to change the story:
Al D. Davis Says:
January 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Last night I made the following comment under Corky’s post: “McClain will stand trial.”
“Ebony, sub-moron McClain needs to get his contract rescinded by the Raiders for moral reasons, and sent back to queer-nation with a banana between his teeth for the ape/half-monkey that he is.
I hope he burns over his crimes. Hopefully, he will “f” around in Alabama from whence he came and get capped between the eyes while entertaining some ni.ga nonsense in ‘bama’ ghetto.”
Later I made the following comment under this article submitted by Jerry Mac: “Allen was on a the fast track to HC.”
“McClain fits right into certain sterotypes and will be the cause of his own demise for engaging in nig.a nonsense. But it is all on him.
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Yes, troll — We know what you are. No matter how many times you claim otherwise. Racist.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
*couch*
February 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
You can bet if the Raiders wanted to move to Oklahoma City, those cowboys and oil men would make a stadium happen.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Newsflash! The 2011 Raiders team defense failed to force a single punt in their last game against division rival Chargirls. A single defensive stop, at most ANY time in the game would have enabled a division clinching victory and a trip to the coveted NFL playoffs.
Arguing about Jason and Carson is futile…
all games started at QB by Jason Campbell (31-39)
all games started at QB by Carson Palmer (50-58)
One is under contract and going to be PAID by the Raiders irregardless of whether we let him play or cut his @$$. The other is not under contract by the Raiders and is unlikely to be so ever again….
February 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:59 pm
RL,
can you make a case for the comparison between these two based on what they did, as opposed to trying find excuses for one? manning threw more tds than picks palmer had more picks than tds. Simple math
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Sure
Take Eli manning off the couch in week 4 or 5 and throw Him into the starting line up with WR’s and a system that he has to become familiar with.
Then measure the results.
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rl,
fail. I said make a case that justifies the comparison of palmer and eli, WITHOUT finding excuses for palmer.
You simply repeated the excuse.
Seriously nobody can honestly compare eli 2011 and palmer 2011 and fail to realize that eli is head and shoulders better than palmer
February 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
Jason Laconabutthole said we are 22 million over the cap, where does he get this tainted information?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
You can bet if the Raiders wanted to move to Oklahoma City, those cowboys and oil men would make a stadium happen.
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No doubt about it.
Those Boys don’t mess around.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The Raiders’ Defense had a bad game to end the season?? No way!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
You can bet if the Raiders wanted to move to Oklahoma City, those cowboys and oil men would make a stadium happen.
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i dont know about the cowboys, but at $100 a barrel those damned oil men are swiming in money! yeeeeeha!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
rl,
fail. I said make a case that justifies the comparison of palmer and eli, WITHOUT finding excuses for palmer.
You simply repeated the excuse.
Seriously nobody can honestly compare eli 2011 and palmer 2011 and fail to realize that eli is head and shoulders better than palmer
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If you are basing your math on last season then my response is relevant.
Sorry you don’t see this.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The Raiders’ Defense had a bad game to end the season?? No way!
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That should be plural…as in games…lol
February 17th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
You people still arguing about Palmer & JC?! Really?!
Well……. Enjoy.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
RaiderO, agree. Stop the nonsense comparison. Even Madden when asked whether Campbell has the skills to take over a game if the run is taken away and fall 10 points or more behind, said, uh, no way. period.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
gotta say this, though, Palmer made some pretty dumb throws during the last couple of weeks of the season. i was amazed at the risks he was taking instead of throwing out of bounds. if the INT factory keeps on chugging next year, we will not make the playoffs, no matter how improved the D is.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:21 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
rl,
fail. I said make a case that justifies the comparison of palmer and eli, WITHOUT finding excuses for palmer.
You simply repeated the excuse.
Seriously nobody can honestly compare eli 2011 and palmer 2011 and fail to realize that eli is head and shoulders better than palmer
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If you are basing your math on last season then my response is relevant.
Sorry you don’t see this.
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RL,
someone tried to make a case for palmer being elite by comparing him to eli manning. My resposnse was you cant compare them eli owns him and then some.
This person went on to post career stats, my take was recent history is more important in this case, and eli had a far better season than palmer, this cant be debated.
Eli head and shoulders every day of the week and twice on sunday, runs circles around palmer.
Not even worth a discussion
February 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
gotta say this, though, Palmer made some pretty dumb throws during the last couple of weeks of the season. i was amazed at the risks he was taking instead of throwing out of bounds. if the INT factory keeps on chugging next year, we will not make the playoffs, no matter how improved the D is.
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Palmer was trying to make plays to score points because the defense stunk.
He was trying to win.
He did not have the luxury of a defense that did it’s part.
Nor did Campbell for that matter.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
435.RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
gotta say this, though, Palmer made some pretty dumb throws during the last couple of weeks of the season. i was amazed at the risks he was taking instead of throwing out of bounds. if the INT factory keeps on chugging next year, we will not make the playoffs, no matter how improved the D is.
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Palmer was trying to make plays to score points because the defense stunk.
He was trying to win.
He did not have the luxury of a defense that did it’s part.
Nor did Campbell for that matter.
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I can apreciate making a play, but Palmer threw some passes into quadruple coverage on second down, risking the ball and the life of the wr…i understand he was trying to make things happen, but some throws were out there.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RL,
someone tried to make a case for palmer being elite by comparing him to eli manning. My resposnse was you cant compare them eli owns him and then some.
This person went on to post career stats, my take was recent history is more important in this case, and eli had a far better season than palmer, this cant be debated.
Eli head and shoulders every day of the week and twice on sunday, runs circles around palmer.
Not even worth a discussion
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Ok, I was responding to why Eli would not really be any different than Palmer if Eli where coming off the couch.
I like Eli, and would welcome Him as a Raider QB.
But to make a 2011 comparison of He and Palmer is flawed in it’s concept.
In 2012 we can hopefully have a better “debate”
February 17th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
I can apreciate making a play, but Palmer threw some passes into quadruple coverage on second down, risking the ball and the life of the wr…i understand he was trying to make things happen, but some throws were out there.
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True.
I remember Hue as being quoted as saying to Palmer “get me to the next down”
And the following weeks Palmer took very good care of the ball.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:27 pm
RL,
someone tried to make a case for palmer being elite by comparing him to eli manning. My resposnse was you cant compare them eli owns him and then some.
This person went on to post career stats, my take was recent history is more important in this case, and eli had a far better season than palmer, this cant be debated.
Eli head and shoulders every day of the week and twice on sunday, runs circles around palmer.
Not even worth a discussion
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Ok, I was responding to why Eli would not really be any different than Palmer if Eli where coming off the couch.
I like Eli, and would welcome Him as a Raider QB.
But to make a 2011 comparison of He and Palmer is flawed in it’s concept.
In 2012 we can hopefully have a better “debate”
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Rl,
thats fair. As much as I am not sold on palmer I am still unwilling to close the book on him completely. lets hope he somehow shakes off the god awful 2011, protects the ball and leads us to wins next year. He does that and you wont hear me complaining
February 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Palmer with a healthy McFadden, and an improved defense won’t have any NEED to throw passes into triple coverage. Many of his interceptions were knowing we weren’t blowing anyone out, and the ground game was useless with slow-assed Bush.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Rl,
thats fair. As much as I am not sold on palmer I am still unwilling to close the book on him completely. lets hope he somehow shakes off the god awful 2011, protects the ball and leads us to wins next year. He does that and you wont hear me complaining
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Peace
February 17th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:31 pm
Palmer with a healthy McFadden, and an improved defense won’t have any NEED to throw passes into triple coverage. Many of his interceptions were knowing we weren’t blowing anyone out, and the ground game was useless with slow-assed Bush.
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very weak excuse. throwing bone headed picks means you are putting a bad defense in an even worse spot, thereby multiplying the odds of a loss.
Turn overs mean losses in the nfl, regardless of the intention behind them
February 17th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
And the following weeks Palmer took very good care of the ball.
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Only to have the defense give everything back the next possession.
I don’t know how anyone can expect any QB to be careful with the ball knowing you don’t have a great running game and a defense that can flop at a drop of the hat. He did amazing with what he was dealt. The first SD game was the best QBing by a Raider player since Gannon won an MVP.
Not sure what the people not liking Palmer are seeing. Its not football that I know of…
February 17th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I am a huge Palmer fan I think you will all be surprised next year.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Arguing over whether Campbell is better than Palmer is like arguing over whether a Dodge Neon is faster than a Toyota Corrolla. It’s insignificant. Neither one is terribly impressive, but they will probably both get you around until you can upgrade to something better. Truth is, we unloaded the Neon, and we are upside down in the Toyota so we just gotta keep making payments for another year and hope it still has some value when it’s time to trade.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
I am a huge Palmer fan I think you will all be surprised next year.
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cut down the picks show some leader ship and post some wins, I will gladly eat some i told you so
February 17th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
“The first SD game was the best QBing by a Raider player since Gannon won an MVP.”
What impressed me the most was his reads at the LOS in the hurry up that was a thing of beauty to watch he tore them up.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
on another note, this is interesting
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1070392-don-king-says-only-he-can-make-floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-happen
February 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Arguing over whether Campbell is better than Palmer is like arguing over whether a Dodge Neon is faster than a Toyota Corrolla. It’s insignificant. Neither one is terribly impressive, but they will probably both get you around until you can upgrade to something better. Truth is, we unloaded the Neon, and we are upside down in the Toyota so we just gotta keep making payments for another year and hope it still has some value when it’s time to trade.
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Haha!
Where do you come up with this schit?
If Palmer is lights out next season we will not be upside down.
Value to be determined!
February 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
very weak excuse. throwing bone headed picks means you are putting a bad defense in an even worse spot, thereby multiplying the odds of a loss.
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Farve made a career out of not worrying about int’s. Palmer is never going to be “Captain Checkdown.” That doesn’t mean he can’t be a great QB. You are simply acting like a fat kid fighting over the 12th donut.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
So I was wrong about Soup being the best .500 sliding QB I ever saw. He’s the best .443 slider around tho…
February 17th, 2012 at 4:44 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
on another note, this is interesting
http://bleacherreport.com/articles/1070392-don-king-says-only-he-can-make-floyd-mayweather-vs-manny-pacquiao-happen
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Don King still pimpin after all these years.
Kinda like a cockroach…can’t kill’em.
Arum is no better by the way.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
“The first SD game was the best QBing by a Raider player since Gannon won an MVP.”
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huh? he had a good game but he turned the ball over twice.
better than culpepper 5 tds in the destruction of the fish?
better than the jc vs buffalo that featured 3 come from behind 4th quarter scores and made moore a star?
wow how soon we forget
February 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Palmer’s the finest .458 QB I ever saw lob a 8yrd floater into 3 defenders hands.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
What impressed me the most was his reads at the LOS in the hurry up that was a thing of beauty to watch he tore them up.
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No kidding! Not sure where or why the hurry-up disappeared. Methinks Hue wanted more control. His ego destroyed the Raiders at the end. I thought Hue should have been kept, but I think this will work out better in the end. This should be a two year plan for a SB ring. We are that close… once Palmer is hoisting the Lombardi over his head in 2014, nobody will remember the int’s leading up to it…
February 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Re the turnovers. I remember Gannon tearing the league up, yet taking very good care of the ball. When Gannon risked the long ball he completed most of the time cause he knew what the D was doing.
I am also a Palmer fan, and I am really happy we got him on the trade. Its just that there were a number of decisions last year that surprised me, not bad throws just very poor decisions.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
JLofty Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
So I was wrong about Soup being the best .500 sliding QB I ever saw. He’s the best .443 slider around tho…
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You’d think a Pro athlete would know how to slide.
Funny how one bad slide changes the whole trajectory of a Team and Season.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:50 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
very weak excuse. throwing bone headed picks means you are putting a bad defense in an even worse spot, thereby multiplying the odds of a loss.
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Farve made a career out of not worrying about int’s. Palmer is never going to be “Captain Checkdown.” That doesn’t mean he can’t be a great QB. You are simply acting like a fat kid fighting over the 12th donut.
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farve was lucky that he played with the minister of defense, and had an excellent team around him. His sb win is an anomaly. Almost every single farve led playoff run ended with a miserable pick. he has the most tds of all time, but also the dubious distinction of the most picks ever in a career.
I would say palmer who has yet to win a playoff game is a very poor mans version of farve and that simply isnt good enough
February 17th, 2012 at 4:51 pm
Upside down in the Corrolla. That’s funny but Palmer is more like a Lotus or a Jaguar. Costs a lot, looks fine, and has mad skillzz but breaks down or stalls at the stop light. And you are waaayyyy upside down on…
February 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Len, remember his terrrible slide in Tennessee opener year before? I think it was an affliction….
February 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Uh Mistic, we lost that Buff game and Moore ain’t quite a star just yet…
February 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Facts: Palmer only threw ONE int. vs SD and that was because he was being sacked at the time of the throw.
Campbell also threw an int. vs Buff, and the game was still a LOSS. Hard for me to get excited about QB losing a game… sorry.
Culp vs Mia? 5-12 for 75 yards?
You do know this stuff can be looked up right?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:57 pm
JLofty Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:52 pm
Len, remember his terrrible slide in Tennessee opener year before? I think it was an affliction….
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Seriously, Dude has spent His life running around in a jock strap.
How can He not know how to slide?
February 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
One of the best QB performances since Gannon?
You be the judge:
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200709300mia.htm
Wowsers. Thats.. uh, not good. 5 TD’s aside.
February 17th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
JLofty Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Uh Mistic, we lost that Buff game and Moore ain’t quite a star just yet…
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fair point, i still think it was one of the best qb performances we have seen since 02 better than palmer vs sd. at the very least its in the conversation
February 17th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Re the turnovers. I remember Gannon tearing the league up, yet taking very good care of the ball. When Gannon risked the long ball he completed most of the time cause he knew what the D was doing.
I am also a Palmer fan, and I am really happy we got him on the trade. Its just that there were a number of decisions last year that surprised me, not bad throws just very poor decisions.
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Yeah, but Gannon was the king of the Dink and dunk=WCO. Also check downs. Palmer is not the dink and dunk type. Who loves to dink and dunk? JC loves to dink and dunk or some of you call him “captain check down”, makes smarter decisions,and fits the WCO to a tee. He should be the starter.
People on here keep saying Palmer with an off season will better running in a system that he has failed at in the past? Now that he has Dmac back? LOL. What about JC running in a system that fits him better with the so called “talent” the raiders have? JC was on the rise last year. I see him improving more. Poor argument
February 17th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Facts: Palmer only threw ONE int. vs SD and that was because he was being sacked at the time of the throw.
Campbell also threw an int. vs Buff, and the game was still a LOSS. Hard for me to get excited about QB losing a game… sorry.
Culp vs Mia? 5-12 for 75 yards?
You do know this stuff can be looked up right?
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palmer also fumbled vs sd, two turn overs.
pepp’s 5 tds was awsome completion not withstanding
JC was unreal in the buff game. That game was showed guts determination and very efficient qb play, its only opinion no worries
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
CP3 ain’t going anywhere, he is the best QB we’ve seen since Gannon.
He played with the worst Defense, poor running game minus the SD game. He knew he had to try and make plays cuz once the defense stepped on the field, we all knew they would give up a TD.
Carson will play Great next year. He will have a Better year than Rivers and we will the Division.
Our running game will be much better, our defense will be better, our coaching will be better, CP3 will be better.
Remember our division sucks…..
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Palmer is just light years better than Campbell. I thought Campbell was actually playing pretty well this year, after looking sorry in 2010, but if you watch the game you see Palmer constantly completing passes Campbell wouldn’t even think of throwing.
I’m quite sure all 32 NFL teams would agree with me.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
JC was unreal in the buff game. That game was showed guts determination and very efficient qb play, its only opinion no worries
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You’re right. No worries.
That was JC’s best game, no dount… it took him over a year to get there, but I also remember the SF game the year before where it was the only time in 40 years of watching the Raiders I was convinced _I_ could have done a better job of QBing them.
The interesting part of Palmer’s SD performance was that was after only being with the team for a MONTH! Not too many QB’s could do that, IMO. Maybe 5 currently playing?
February 17th, 2012 at 5:17 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
SilverandBlack…Palmer’s Heisman year was such a joke plus the offense was changed in 02 by norm chow to heighten Palmer’s strong points….this is fact
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Hes also had a little under a decade in the pros to learn a little more so who cares…
February 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
CP3 ain’t going anywhere, he is the best QB we’ve seen since Gannon.
He played with the worst Defense, poor running game minus the SD game. He knew he had to try and make plays cuz once the defense stepped on the field, we all knew they would give up a TD.
Carson will play Great next year. He will have a Better year than Rivers and we will the Division.
Our running game will be much better, our defense will be better, our coaching will be better, CP3 will be better.
Remember our division sucks…..
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Chris In NY Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Palmer is just light years better than Campbell. I thought Campbell was actually playing pretty well this year, after looking sorry in 2010, but if you watch the game you see Palmer constantly completing passes Campbell wouldn’t even think of throwing.
I’m quite sure all 32 NFL teams would agree with me.
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STOP the madness and come back to reality:
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
February 17th, 2012 at 5:19 pm
470. JC would’ve been exposed had he not been injured. Losing DMC would’ve put more emphasis on Soup and we’d have seen hes no where near the QB Palmer is.
Stirring up the “Palmer sucks” routine is RMR just being a needy d***.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
My list of current QB’s that could join a new team in mid-season and have a nearly perfect QB performance in less than a month:
1. Tom Brady
2. Eli
3. Peyton (if he could actually play)
4. Rivers
5. Brees
6. Palmer.. HE ACTUALLY DID IT.
(And Rivers I am not sure on)
Add to the list if you please….
February 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Palmer is just light years better than Campbell. I thought Campbell was actually playing pretty well this year, after looking sorry in 2010, but if you watch the game you see Palmer constantly completing passes Campbell wouldn’t even think of throwing.
I’m quite sure all 32 NFL teams would agree with me.
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Palmer’s tenure was the first time in YEARS that a Raider QB throwing over the middle didn’t make me want to cover my eyes.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
JC was unreal in the buff game. That game was showed guts determination and very efficient qb play, its only opinion no worries
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You’re right. No worries.
That was JC’s best game, no dount… it took him over a year to get there, but I also remember the SF game the year before where it was the only time in 40 years of watching the Raiders I was convinced _I_ could have done a better job of QBing them.
The interesting part of Palmer’s SD performance was that was after only being with the team for a MONTH! Not too many QB’s could do that, IMO. Maybe 5 currently playing?
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i have to admit that the first sd was palmers finest as a raider, and i thought he had turned a corner. I even apologized to hue crack and palmer on this blog.
Then…well we know he flamed out. If we get that palmer from the first sd game i will be a palmer fan
February 17th, 2012 at 5:22 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
My list of current QB’s that could join a new team in mid-season and have a nearly perfect QB performance in less than a month:
1. Tom Brady
2. Eli
3. Peyton (if he could actually play)
4. Rivers
5. Brees
6. Palmer.. HE ACTUALLY DID IT.
(And Rivers I am not sure on)
Add to the list if you please….
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Palmer= 16 Int’s in 10 games..
Get outta here, LOL
February 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
In contrast… I am not sure Campbell had the playbook down by the end of his first season…
February 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Why is this forum always linear? Why can’t you leave specific responses to specific posts? Its lame. I can’t reply to post 11, for example, because the posts are now up to 475. Again, lame. It would be so much more interesting if you could reply to specific items and topics but no. (Or … am I doing something wrong?)
February 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Corporate_Raider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Why is this forum always linear? Why can’t you leave specific responses to specific posts? Its lame. I can’t reply to post 11, for example, because the posts are now up to 475. Again, lame. It would be so much more interesting if you could reply to specific items and topics but no. (Or … am I doing something wrong?)
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Because this forum started in 2005, and hasn’t upgraded its software since.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Palmer= 16 Int’s in 10 games..
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3 was the first game when he knew 10% of the playbook.
4 more during the GB game that was over before he got his second possession. The team basically GAVE UP. I don’t put that on Carson. Please.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
Corporate_Raider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Why is this forum always linear? Why can’t you leave specific responses to specific posts? Its lame. I can’t reply to post 11, for example, because the posts are now up to 475. Again, lame. It would be so much more interesting if you could reply to specific items and topics but no. (Or … am I doing something wrong?)
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just reference post numbers, or blog handles
February 17th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
How far the mighty have fallen
February 17th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
im out
February 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
Palmer= 16 Int’s in 10 games..
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3 was the first game when he knew 10% of the playbook.
4 more during the GB game that was over before he got his second possession. The team basically GAVE UP. I don’t put that on Carson. Please.
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Palmer is a INT machine always has been.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/wp-admin/profile.php
Note that this blog is using WordPress 2.8.4, and the current version is 3.3.1.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:30 pm
Palmer during the GB game reminds me of a great Farve quote… when asked why he had so many interceptions during a loss, he answered something like: “I would have had more but the game ended.”
February 17th, 2012 at 5:33 pm
Corporate_Raider Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Why is this forum always linear? Why can’t you leave specific responses to specific posts? Its lame. I can’t reply to post 11, for example, because the posts are now up to 475. Again, lame. It would be so much more interesting if you could reply to specific items and topics but no. (Or … am I doing something wrong?)
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Lame is not keeping up and blaming the system for it.
So corporate.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:37 pm
Still RaidO, man throws a nice ball. Some of those throws I saw him make were pretty sweet. I’m with Gdog, I could have played better against the 9Balls last season. Campbell got better in ‘11 but he SUCKED mostly in ‘10.
But to be fair, Plamer threw a bunch of lob balls in the middle LB zone that made me ’bout freak out and pop. Most were’nt even picked but they sure as hell could’a been. Man needs to clean that up….
February 17th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Wow, Hue Jackson’s ego, must be stunned.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Palmer is a INT machine. That’s what he does. Some of you blaming the off the couch thing is ridiculous.
So bad somebody made a youtube video.
Carson Palmer 2010 interceptions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOhiAL3N1zU
Look familiar? Same stuff with Raiders in 2011= 16 int’s in 10 games.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
That’s pretty funny Kell. See you don’t have to be a tool on here….
February 17th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
JLofty Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
That’s pretty funny Kell. See you don’t have to be a tool on here….
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Beauty is in the eye of the beholder, Jlofty.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
RaidO, so was Kenny Stabler. Had 143 as a Raider and a BUNCH more as a Oiler/Saint punching bag…
February 17th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Wow, Hue Jackson’s ego, must be stunned.
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Humbling I would think.
Hue is a positive Guy, he’ll be fine.
He has a 2 million dollar pillow to rest his head on at the end of the day.
Life isn’t so hard under those conditions.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Oh yeah, not so bad.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Yup…
February 17th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
Hue Jackson finds a job with the Bengals
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Bingo!
February 17th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
who gives a schit
but it is funny that he got with the bengals i guess 2 high draft picks are worth having him around
dont the bengals know hue doesnt know jack about defense
February 17th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 2:48 pm
We gave up a 1st and 2nd round pick for Palmer and the Bears gave up a TWO 1st’s AND a 3rd AND Kyle Orton for a diabetic named Jay Cutler.
Have u seen what AZ gave up for Kolb?
Yet we “mortgaged the future” on 2 draft picks which we don’t even know who they are and have no idea whether they’d be any good or not. Yet we “mortgaged the future”?
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Such a good point. Judging by our draft history, I’d say we got the better end of the deal.
February 17th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
marvin lewis better watch his back and keep that clown on a short leash
February 17th, 2012 at 5:58 pm
What you guys wouldn’t trade Rolando McClain and Mike Mitchell straight up for Carson Palmer?!?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
Why are so many arguing about Palmer and Campbell?Palmer is our QB under contract,Campbell is a free agent not on our roster.Unless Campbell signs as our back-up QB,he isn’t a Raider so he shouldn’t be of any concern on this blog.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:08 pm
505raiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:52 pm
who gives a schit
but it is funny that he got with the Bengals i guess 2 high draft picks are worth having him around
don’t the Bengals know hue doesn’t know jack about defense
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Maybe if Hue HAD LEARNED about defense and fired Bresnahan, He might still be with the Raiders. He’d be smart to learn that side of the game. In a year or two, he might be in the right spot for the HC job at the Bengals. The current HC only has a year or two left if he doesn’t win.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:10 pm
What a new beginning we are having. The team has lost two of the most recognizable personalities that made the Raiders the Raiders. This is truly a new organization. Interesting to see what path the new Raiders take and where it leads them.
As I’m sure most of you know already, this organization is being run by first timers from top to bottom. First time owner, first time GM, first time HC, and so on. I wouldn’t be surprised to see a first time QB in there as well, though we all know that Palmer is the QB.
It truly is a new era. Can’t wait to see where we are a year from now.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:14 pm
Marvin Lewis is rewarding Hue for his great contribution via the “greatest trade in NFL history.” Hue comes out smelling like a rose on this one.
Right! For the Bengals.
First off, the bungles got rid of major prima donna headache in a loser Palmer, got rid of major cash burden, got back a top 20 stud this year, plus at least another top 50 player next year. They’re sitting pretty with an up and coming young team that already got a taste of the playoffs. If there ever was addition by subtraction the Bengals made out big time by getting rid of Palmer.
RegMac has to eat the bitter-cash pill and get rid of Palmer.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:17 pm
Maybe if Hue HAD LEARNED about defense and fired Bresnahan, He might still be with the Raiders. He’d be smart to learn that side of the game. In a year or two, he might be in the right spot for the HC job at the Bengals. The current HC only has a year or two left if he doesn’t win.
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well thank god that aint the case
hue can go and look lost on the bungals sidelines cuz hes done enough of that in oakland
February 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
JB,thank you for the other day.
It seems many are of the belief we are starting over.We were 8-8 the last 2 years.Starting over isn’t necessary.We might tear the ‘D’ apart,but I believe we will just try and build onto the ‘O’ side of the ball-add a couple of pieces,ie. back-up RB and depth at WR.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I really can go either way on Palmer, but just out of curiosity, who would replace him?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:45 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
I really can go either way on Palmer, but just out of curiosity, who would replace him?
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Unless we break the bank for Matt Flynn, nobody half as good.
February 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
So here is a question for all of you, this doesn’t necessarily expresses my thoughts about what we should do with any of our players, it is just a question.
Would any of you trade DMac, Huff and our first (or second) for next year’s draft for Aaron Rodgers?
February 17th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
So here is a question for all of you, this doesn’t necessarily expresses my thoughts about what we should do with any of our players, it is just a question.
Would any of you trade DMac, Huff and our first (or second) for next year’s draft for Aaron Rodgers?
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Yes, but no way GB would give him up for that in a million years.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:02 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:13 pm
Palmer is just light years better than Campbell. I thought Campbell was actually playing pretty well this year, after looking sorry in 2010, but if you watch the game you see Palmer constantly completing passes Campbell wouldn’t even think of throwing.
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Yes, Palmer is better than Campbell. But that’s really not much of a standard for comparison.
Campbell is a lousy to mediocre QB and the Raids paid a substantial price for Palmer.
The question is will Palmer prove to be worth the price by playing significantly better than Campbell.
Can Palmer take the Raids to the playoffs and make them a legit threat to win it all ?
That might be mission impossible for any QB considering the sorry state of the Raider defense, but it’ll still be interesting to see what Palmer can do with a full off-season of preparation and hopefully a healthy supporting cast.
Palmer has shown flashes of excellence, but there’s also been some incredibly bad moments that are very worrisome. That first pick in Green Bay was pathetic – and followed by some other tosses over the middle that were inexcusable.
Personally, I’m still not convinced his arm is what it used to be. Even if his arm strength isn’t a concern, ball security certainly is. He simply can not continue to be the interception machine he’s been since the latter part of his stay in Cincy.
We’ll find out what’s left in the tank this year.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The Raiders’ Defense had a bad game to end the season?? No way!
^^^^^^^^
Raiders defense had a bad season….period!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
Kamerion Wimbley will be tough call for Raiders
Posted by Gregg Rosenthal on February 17, 2012, 8:26 PM EST
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Raiders linebacker Kamerion Wimbley has been effective for Oakland since the day he arrived from Cleveland. He’s also due $11 million in 2012, a number associated with an elite player.
That presents a conundrum for new Raiders G.M. Reggie McKenzie. Does he see Wimbley as an elite player?
Jason La Canfora of NFL Network reports via a league source that Wimbley, like most NFL players, isn’t interested in a pay cut. It sounds like the Raiders will either have to keep Wimbley at his current salary or release him.
Wimbley’s numbers weren’t overwhelming in 2011. He only had seven sacks last year, and four came against the Chargers’ third-string starter.
We’d argue Wimbley had a better season than the numbers indicated. He consistently pressured the passer and had a boatload of quarterback hurries and hits.
Still, McKenzie said he wanted to get rid of “out of whack” contracts. Wimbley’s true value is somewhere below $11 million. Cutting cornerback Stanford Routt wasn’t that tough of a decision; he was coming off a poor season.
Wimbley is Oakland’s best pass rusher, so choosing whether to (over)pay him or not will be a much tougher call.
Wimbley’s agent Joe Linta was on PFT Live Friday and talked about Wimbley’s future in addition to Joe Flacco’s next contract. So it makes sense to include that video below.
Roll the tape:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/17/kamerion-wimbley-presents-tough-choice-for-raiders/
February 17th, 2012 at 7:05 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:04 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
The Raiders’ Defense had a bad game to end the season?? No way!
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Raiders defense had a bad season….period!
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The Raiders defense had a bad decade…period!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:14 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
JB,thank you for the other day.
It seems many are of the belief we are starting over.We were 8-8 the last 2 years.Starting over isn’t necessary.We might tear the ‘D’ apart,but I believe we will just try and build onto the ‘O’ side of the ball-add a couple of pieces,ie. back-up RB and depth at WR.
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Agreed. We need to fix the O-Line (Wiz to center, Heyer to LG, FA or BCampbell to RG, Barksdale to RT), pick up a FA #2 RB behind DMac & add a WR and the O is good to go. The D is another story. That will be interesting to se what RM & DA do o bring that up to where it needs to be.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:16 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
So here is a question for all of you, this doesn’t necessarily expresses my thoughts about what we should do with any of our players, it is just a question.
Would any of you trade DMac, Huff and our first (or second) for next year’s draft for Aaron Rodgers?
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Ask a question that is a possibility. Aaron Rodgers isn’t going anywhere for any price.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:19 pm
What about DMac, and a first and second.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
I don’t think this team is going to be rebuilt. I think the defense is going to be rebuilt, and that is a good thing. The offense needs some tweeking, but it will be alright. On the bright side, the defense can’t be any worse.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
Zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz Herrera zzzzzzzzz burp zzzzzzzzz
February 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
or DMac and two firsts. They got Matt Flynn right?
I know it is a very long shot, almost impossible. But what if Reggie was able to pull it off? I guess a better question would’ve been how much would any of us be able to give up for Rodgers?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
IMO, Saunders is on the payroll for one specific reason: If Knapp falters, Saunders will be there to step in and make this offense a scoring machine.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:29 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
or DMac and two firsts. They got Matt Flynn right?
I know it is a very long shot, almost impossible. But what if Reggie was able to pull it off? I guess a better question would’ve been how much would any of us be able to give up for Rodgers?
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Right now, nothing. We have a QB with the necessary skill level to take us to the promised land. Why people won’t give CP a chance in this new environment for him, is beyond me. He IS our #1 QB and WILL be our #1 QB next year. Quit putting him down based on past results and get behind him going forward. Remember, Plunkett wasn’t worth a crap when he came in but he certainly turned out OK. I personally think CP will end up being one of the best all-time Raider QB’s ever.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:24 pm
or DMac and two firsts. They got Matt Flynn right?
I know it is a very long shot, almost impossible. But what if Reggie was able to pull it off? I guess a better question would’ve been how much would any of us be able to give up for Rodgers?
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Why even debate this? It is pointless. Rodgers makes the Packers a Super Bowl contender for the next 5 or 6 years. Why would they trade him for anything?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:30 pm
sorry, i meant to say how much would we be WILLING to give up.
dam this cold medicine
February 17th, 2012 at 7:32 pm
c’mon guys use some common sense. we’ve trying every re-tread qb, with the exception of gannon and jamarcus for the past 28 seasons, and where has it taken us? straight into the toilet.
let’s get a new young qb who can evade the rush and scramble making him into the 12th man for opposition defenses.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
we are also giving ridiculous salaries to most of the defensemen who have proven they can’t perform. for next year lets keep DMAC and pay $7M to keep Bush, since DMAC will fall by the 5th or 6th game. Then if a gem lands at our feet we can move forward, but at by retaining what we currently have we know we are good for 10 wins, if the defense is bolstered.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bush is no Walter Payton, but he has proven he can probable gain 1200 to 1400 yds in a season, and catch some passes too.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:36 pm
Hey Hardline, we got one in the roster already. Pryor.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:37 pm
Seriously guys…why are you guys still arguing about Palmer? Unless Reggie really eats his contract and releases him, he is the current Raider QB…JC is about as good as gone, although I would love for them to resign him at all costs, but…
Point being guys, get a good back up in here and if Palmer tanks the toilet in which many on here feel he will, then let the next one in…and who knows, maybe Reggie has told both Palmer and Campbell…may the best man win!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:38 pm
let’s get a new young qb who can evade the rush and scramble making him into the 12th man for opposition defenses.
Hardline, I like that idea…being why not? Green GM, Green HC, Green DC, and so on…but my question is who and how?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:39 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
Bush is no Walter Payton, but he has proven he can probable gain 1200 to 1400 yds in a season, and catch some passes too.
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There’s no real evidence of that. Actually, Bush was out of gas for the last 4 games he played. His results were terrible. All he really proved was that he isn’t a full time #1 RB. His best role is as a #2 RB providing off tempo change of pace running. He’s not a banger at the LOS. He’s more of a finesse runner IMO.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
the Rodgers trade talk is just as pointless as any other topic on here that involves any amount of speculation, guessing, or wishful thinking.
IF there was any way, Reggie would be the one to find it.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:40 pm
I would also keep CP and put top priority on readying Pryor, since CP is going down by mid-season this year.
CP can be defensed since he is almost totally immobile, inside and outside the pocket, can’t roll out and turn a busted play into a successful one. CP had his day, and now that day is over. You are crazy if you think he’ll ever do better than he did this season.
Same thing with JC. I would never pay him starting money since his major talent is backup. He’s like Alex Smith but not as good. And trust me, after this season the 49′ers will cut Alex Smith. The offense under him is just too submissive.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
I heard the Niners are going to resign him…
February 17th, 2012 at 7:44 pm
J.B. #533
True JB, but Hue overused Bush after DMAC went down, in a tunnel vision approach. When DMAC goes down this year by mid-season, we need a back up: Bush and Jones and Reece could make a good 3-some.
Hue didn’t know how to use his players.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:46 pm
hwnrdr 536
Alex Smith is going nowhere……at least not this season. But the 49′ers need to up their protein contact on offense to win the big one. True, Alex made a few plays against the Saints, but lost it against the Giants.
All in all Smith is a slug…..a lot like JC.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:49 pm
I wish Hue Jackson good luck. I wish he had his chance to put this whole team together like the new head coach has a chance to do but Mark and Big MAC were to hasty in there decision making. Hope this venture work out for the Raiders. Again, good luck Hue Jackson!!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 7:50 pm
I agree…his D is what carried him, allowing them to stay in the game…but you’re right. The Cahmpionship game, many Niner fans were blaming Kyle Williams. But Alex Smith had MANY opportunities to put that game away and didn’t. Perfect example was the last 2 minutes. 3 quick, in the dirt Russell impersonations and took off 18 seconds…I don’t know what Harbaugh sees in him, but oh well…I told my dad (who is more die hard Niner than most of these so calleds) that they will live and die by Alex…
February 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
I’m all for letting Bush search out FA. I don’t think he’s going to be successful as another team’s #1 RB. They will discover what we did this year. I’d really like us to go after Marshawn Lynch. He & DMac would be a running force to deal with. I don’t see TJones as a big running success. He also, like Bush, can’t block in pass protection./ TJones should be used like Wes Welker is used. Get the ball in his hands in the open and he’ll do serious damage. There’s no safety or LB that can keep up with him. He’d be a mismatch nightmare.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:53 pm
If they get rid of Wimbley, than they will have to still pay him 6.5 million?
The agent should just let the Raiders pay him that 6.5 this year and and then if he plays well in 2012 he receives the extra say 3 million or the other 4.5 bonus money, like say if he gets over 10.5 sacks or something.
Sounds reasonable to me for both McK and Wimbley.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
JB 541
That’s probably true JB. Unfortunately, because of Hue’s mismanagement of personell last season, we don’t know what Jones can do.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
JB 541
That’s probably true JB. Unfortunately, because of Hue’s mismanagement of personell last season, we don’t know what Jones can do.
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I generally agree with what you are saying BUT, we DO know that neither Bush nor TJones can block in pass protection. They are both pathetic blockers. We need or RB’s to be able to block & give Palmer time to hit the bomb.
February 17th, 2012 at 7:58 pm
Just Win Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 4:38 pm
Arguing over whether Campbell is better than Palmer is like arguing over whether a Dodge Neon is faster than a Toyota Corrolla. It’s insignificant. Neither one is terribly impressive, but they will probably both get you around until you can upgrade to something better. Truth is, we unloaded the Neon, and we are upside down in the Toyota so we just gotta keep making payments for another year and hope it still has some value when it’s time to trade.
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Do you work in the auto industry?
February 17th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
I think most Raider players who pursue free agency will find the grass isn’t always greener. Most teams will be skeptical of any Raider player except for a select few.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
#546 True
February 17th, 2012 at 8:00 pm
T Jones had an injury riddled first year. Not enough to fully evaluate him.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:01 pm
If they get rid of Wimbley, than they will have to still pay him 6.5 million?
The agent should just let the Raiders pay him that 6.5 this year and and then if he plays well in 2012 he receives the extra say 3 million or the other 4.5 bonus money, like say if he gets over 10.5 sacks or something.
Sounds reasonable to me for both McK and Wimbley…
February 17th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
548,
That’s true too Knight. He seems a tad skinny to me. Is it true he can’t block ?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Bush was already making 2 times what Marshawn Lynch was making. How about that travesty? Bring Marshawn back home. He was brought up as a Raider fan & he played at Cal and was hoping to go to the Raiders (his story). He’s a real baller and would do well with our running game. Between he & DMac, they’d own the running game in the NFL.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:04 pm
gotta run for awhile. Back later.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:05 pm
People forget that Hue wasn’t hired to be the GM or head of player personnel AND the damn the head coach last year.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Hue’s illusion, hyped and sold to many in the Raider Nation, was that the Raiders were supposedly one “elite” QB away from winning a SB. Hue put together a circus act to justify the looting of the team for a sorry loser, the “greatest trade in NFL history,” “the time is now,” etc. etc., when in reality the team was, and is, very far from winning. The Raiders 8-8 compared to the Giants 9-7 in talent is miles of difference.
With the new revamp and change of system, literally from top to bottom, I would not realistically expect much for a couple of years. Even if the Raiders had the necessary talent to make the difference, the adjustment period to a totally new coaching tree and attitude should take a long toll ride.
As long time fan, I am OK with the rebuilding time, with a young team, and why not, give Pryor a chance, who knows. In a particular time in his life, Terrelle was considered the top dog in the nation in his 2008 class. Of course, the Corkys of the world have already decided Pryor is not worthy. Go ahead and believe fools like Corky, that a nickel.
I will be very glad to wait and live through the next period of greatness, if indeed RegMac is worth his salt.
It’s all on RegMac now, and I’d rather see it all on RegMac than HueSux, that’s for damn sure though.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:07 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:02 pm
548,
That’s true too Knight. He seems a tad skinny to me. Is it true he can’t block
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Don’t know if he can or can’t block. I don’t think his job or skill set is to be a primary blocker anyway.
It’s to be a change of pace speed back who can also catch some screens and take some plays to the house.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
People forget that Hue did what he could with the cards he was dealt to try and get this team to the playoffs. He didn’t hire an incompetent Defensive Coordinator, and he didn’t sign all these players to huge out of whack contracts. Wasn’t his fault JC, DMC, Ford, Moore and Jones missed significant playing time either and he wasn’t his fault his legendary owner/GM/Personnel Man died on him.
People just don’t see that….they just see the Palmer trade and point to Hues mouth.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:17 pm
IF the Raiders are losers next year it won’t be any better that BIG MAC and Mark screwed things up rather than Hue. That does not make much sense to me to tell you the truth. If they are not at least 8/8 if was a failure, truth be told.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
DK,
You have to admit, his mouth did a lot of damage. He lost the players, Fans, and it may affect his future in the NFL.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:20 pm
Loose lips sink ships!
February 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
DKnight007 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:11 pm
People forget that Hue did what he could with the cards he was dealt to try and get this team to the playoffs. He didn’t hire an incompetent Defensive Coordinator, and he didn’t sign all these players to huge out of whack contracts. Wasn’t his fault JC, DMC, Ford, Moore and Jones missed significant playing time either and he wasn’t his fault his legendary owner/GM/Personnel Man died on him.
People just don’t see that….they just see the Palmer trade and point to Hues mouth.
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Great point and many reason that a lot of the current changes were not necessary. It does take a little time to build a championship team. These comments will all be worse if the Raiders tank next year.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:24 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
DK,
You have to admit, his mouth did a lot of damage. He lost the players, Fans, and it may affect his future in the NFL.
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Actually most Raider fans wanted Hue back and were surprised when they fired him.
If Hue would have had a REAL DC and not have had overpaid players on D that didn’t lay down like dogs in crunch time….the Raiders would have been in the playoffs and Hues’ mouth would have been a mute point.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:25 pm
Last I heard, inmates shouldn’t be running the asylum either.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:28 pm
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
DK,
You have to admit, his mouth did a lot of damage. He lost the players, Fans, and it may affect his future in the NFL.
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What did Hue say that was so bad?
February 17th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Here:
Raiders Coach Hue Jackson & QB Carson Palmer Post Game Final Press Conference vs Chargers Week 17
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZrAqXFle9Q
Nothing wrong with any of these words.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hue just tried to win right now. That’s why he traded away are future. SO he could win now.
When Campbell when down, I though we would give Kyle the start for a few weeks and then TP would start after the bye.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
I donk think so DK. Hue was the HC, so let’s consider the facts:
-Al passed at the beginning of season, so hue had time to add an assistant DC, consultant, etc to fix the defense. He made a huge trade, so I’m sure he could have added another coach.
-We led the league in penalties in both number & yards. Who can you blame but the HC?
-I agree about Injurues and the contract issues.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
The Palmer trade wasn’t the problem, but I do think we were desperate when we made the trade, which allowed MB & Cincinnati to take advantage of us. The problem was coaching, which had issues with discipline, defense, and scoring in the 4th quarter.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
408.BestintheWest Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Campbell also has a better 4th qtr QB rating than Palmer AND he’s undefeated in the division AND he is 2-1 WITHOUT DMc guiding the team to 27 ppg in those gms.
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Nov & Dec W-L record:
Campbell 11-24
Palmer 29-26
Game over, make sure to grab some of our lovely parting gifts.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:41 pm
And Injurues as we all know.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
RO,
I wasn’t talking about a single statement, PC, etc. I was talking about building a bully, blaming the defense as if he had nothing to do with it, making promises he couldn’t keep, etc.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:53 pm
567. Palmers a top 5 QB period and the best Oaklands had since Gannon and unlike Gannon, Palmer has and arm and can make ALL the throws.
Sure he throws picks. So does a kid named Eli.
Wanna talk about inequitable trades?
See Ditka for Ricky Williams.
February 17th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
The Palmer trade wasn’t the problem, but I do think we were desperate when we made the trade, which allowed MB & Cincinnati to take advantage of us. The problem was coaching, which had issues with discipline, defense, and scoring in the 4th quarter.
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Exactly. The Bengals held us up because they KNEW we were desperate. David Garrard had just gone under the knife, which meant there were NO starting-caliber QBs available except for Palmer. It was either:
1) Pay the ransom for #3,
2) Go with Boller and not win another game,
3) Go with Pryor and install a Tebow offense (but with a WAY worse defense then Dennis Allen’s Bronco squad), or
4) Go with McCown or Frye or Losman and not win another game.
All crappy options. Al, we loved ya, but the QB situation you bequeathed us SUCKED.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
The Palmer trade wasn’t the problem, but I do think we were desperate when we made the trade, which allowed MB & Cincinnati to take advantage of us. The problem was coaching, which had issues with discipline, defense, and scoring in the 4th quarter.
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Exactly. And we’d been in the play-offs if it wasn’t for that lousy messed up useless horrid chucky b no clue defense.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:01 pm
570. Hue hurt his future employment by mouthing off but he unless and maybe even if he won the Super Bowl he was GONE.
When Davis died Mark set into motion the contingency plan and the only one he could.
That plan was NOT to continue the Al Davis way because frankly NO ONE could.
He was one of kind.
Huebert failed to see the writing on the wall and where he saw opportunity to keep the Al tradition alive, the reality was, and is, when Davis died, the Davis way died with him.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
JC was unreal in the buff game. That game was showed guts determination and very efficient qb play, its only opinion no worries
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You’re right. No worries.
That was JC’s best game, no dount… it took him over a year to get there, but I also remember the SF game the year before where it was the only time in 40 years of watching the Raiders I was convinced _I_ could have done a better job of QBing them.
The interesting part of Palmer’s SD performance was that was after only being with the team for a MONTH! Not too many QB’s could do that, IMO. Maybe 5 currently playing?
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i have to admit that the first sd was palmers finest as a raider, and i thought he had turned a corner. I even apologized to hue crack and palmer on this blog.
Then…well we know he flamed out. If we get that palmer from the first sd game i will be a palmer fan
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Flamed out? He was lights out in two of his last three, completing over 80% of his passes against DET and going for over 400 yards vs. SD. And in between he led us to an OT win over KC.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
573. Poor or non existant half time adjustments.
Repeated bad personnel / scheme calls and combinations.
The first you can blame on a rookie (remember that part? alot forget) Head Coach, the second was either a fix by Mark or just stubborn, persistent incompetence
February 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
Palmer is not that good, I hope he will ball-out but Palmer is not that good. MOST superbowl winning teams have a stud at QB.
This org needs to think in terms of long term solutions. Palmer trade was an act of desperation. The fix now, not thinking about our future.
Reggie Mck said it, Palmer was basically retired, he prefers the picks and so do I.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
It amazes me sometimes when you have all these GM bloggers come on here saying what we should do, trade/cut this player and so on. Granted some make excellent suggestions, others I don’t have a fckn clue where you get some of these outrageous ideas from. The bottom line for all us true Raider fans is that we want to win. 40+ years under Uncle Al’s leadership, this transition is long over due. It will take time, but some of you are part of the mircrowave generation, where you want immediate gratification. If that happens, great! If not, it will maybe not when you want it to.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Chris,he will never let facts get in the way.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
579. Agreed Lefty and agreed Chris
February 17th, 2012 at 9:16 pm
565.Angry Villager with Pitchfork Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:33 pm
Hue just tried to win right now. That’s why he traded away are future. SO he could win now.
When Campbell when down, I though we would give Kyle the start for a few weeks and then TP would start after the bye.
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“Traded away the future”???
By trading TWO draft picks? Both of whom nobody has any certainty whatsoever whether they would work out or not?
Strange as it may seem, the Raider organization will dig deep and find someway, somehow to recover from the fatal blow of having TWO players who may or may not have been good players.
Really, they should just shut down the Alameda facility right now and fold as a franchise.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:19 pm
I am happy for Hue landing a job. I just hope he does not try and swing a deal for CP3.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
Chris in NY Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:08 pm
Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
Gdog Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
JC was unreal in the buff game. That game was showed guts determination and very efficient qb play, its only opinion no worries
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You’re right. No worries.
That was JC’s best game, no dount… it took him over a year to get there, but I also remember the SF game the year before where it was the only time in 40 years of watching the Raiders I was convinced _I_ could have done a better job of QBing them.
The interesting part of Palmer’s SD performance was that was after only being with the team for a MONTH! Not too many QB’s could do that, IMO. Maybe 5 currently playing?
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i have to admit that the first sd was palmers finest as a raider, and i thought he had turned a corner. I even apologized to hue crack and palmer on this blog.
Then…well we know he flamed out. If we get that palmer from the first sd game i will be a palmer fan
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Flamed out? He was lights out in two of his last three, completing over 80% of his passes against DET and going for over 400 yards vs. SD. And in between he led us to an OT win over KC.
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Not having a defense did the Raiders in this season. It is that simple.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
578. Fans sensed correctly so that this was an improved Raider team helmed by a rookie HC who ignited the long dead O and with one less injury or one or two key plays could;ve taken this team to the post season.
Since he died we’ll never know how good this team could’ve been and will never see another one quite like it.
It also means a 2-3-5 yr rebuild and likely more lsoing seasons after nearly a decades worth so yeah, some people a lil pizzed.
Others who hated Davis loving the fact his legacy is being destroyed but again, thats not the case.
it HAD to change cuz no one could run it like Al.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
People saying Palmer “failed” to get us into the playoffs?
Palmer did WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH to get the Raiders there.
Did he do enuff against Detroit? How about SD?
Palmer did enuff to get the Raiders to at least 10-6. He did his part.
The defense choked away both of those games.
How can anyone blame Palmer for those games?
Unless u have a pre-disposed dislike for the guy how can u possibly blame any of that on Palmer?
February 17th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
By his own admission Hue stated that he knew the team was going nowhere this season when they lost to Buffalo in game 2.
When I was a youngster I lived in Reno and played 21 for a living for several years. I would see amateur players come and go, most having beginners luck.
Normally the amateurs could win a nice pot, but then their luck would change, as luck always does.
Inevitably, the frustrated amateur would put in half his winnings and lose it in a hand. As a last ditch attempt to return to even, the amateur would put in what remained and lose that too.
Hue did the same thing with the CP, and of course, lost. I still feel we could have had the same record 8 and 8 playing Boller and Pryor, while having our money and draft picks in tack.
Just another reason Reggie showed Hue the door.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
The org is changing, for the better. Reggie Mck will bring us back to the promise land. I truly feel that way.
IMO having a first round pick this year and a second round pick next year would help.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:56 pm
We needed Palmer to realize just how good DHB can be. DHB’s talent was lost on Campbell and I said as much early in the season. Lefty should remember as we had a disagreement on it. My point was that DHB shouldn’t play if the QB can’t get him the ball. Well, now we have a QB that *can* get him the ball.
February 17th, 2012 at 9:59 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Chris,he will never let facts get in the way.
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Well put.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:01 pm
Hardline Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:43 pm
By his own admission Hue stated that he knew the team was going nowhere this season when they lost to Buffalo in game 2.
When I was a youngster I lived in Reno and played 21 for a living for several years. I would see amateur players come and go, most having beginners luck.
Normally the amateurs could win a nice pot, but then their luck would change, as luck always does.
Inevitably, the frustrated amateur would put in half his winnings and lose it in a hand. As a last ditch attempt to return to even, the amateur would put in what remained and lose that too.
Hue did the same thing with the CP, and of course, lost. I still feel we could have had the same record 8 and 8 playing Boller and Pryor, while having our money and draft picks in tack.
Just another reason Reggie showed Hue the door.
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One, Hue never said the season was over after week 2. I believe he said that game summed up and was a microcosm of the season in that we started hot, finished slow, came close in the end but lost by the thinnest of margins.
The other thing is, I would be ecstatic if we were making the Palmer trade tomorrow. Give me a QB of Carson Palmer’s caliber any day over an unproven draft pick or two. Good QBs are difficult to find and it’s the absolute make or break position for any team. See the 2011 Colts and Bears for an illustration of the fact that the QB position is 10x more important than any other position within an NFL organization. And I mean any — coach, GM, owner, anyone. Carson Palmer has been great many times in his career and we’re lucky to have him.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Try Some Reality 588
DHB was force fed the ball and gained some yards. What he didn’t gain were TD’s – only 3. Jerry Rice gain over a thousand yards and 16 TD’s in his 3rd season
DHB can’t catch the ball without trapping it against his body, hence his proclivity to drop balls and whiff on plays.
DHB needs to be traded. DMAC is a much better receiver than DHB.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:18 pm
garbage in, garbage out, DHB is a vestige of Uncle’s AL’s scholarship program. get rid of him.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
DHB can’t catch the ball without trapping it against his body, hence his proclivity to drop balls and whiff on plays.
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I knew we’d agree on something before the day was over.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:24 pm
lol
February 17th, 2012 at 10:25 pm
Johnny my man, how have you been ? I haven’t seen under too much attack here.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
#595,
Yes. Despite being more opionated and adversarial than I usually am.
With Herrera news and Hue…it’s been emotional, lol.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
Hue to coach defense in Cincinnati for Marvin Lewis. LOLOL!!!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
The Al Davis way died long before Al himself. I find it hard to believe anybody can defend the last 28 years of Raider football under the tyrant. Thank goodness for a new era!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Yo yo yo
LAKE SHOW HOMIES STAND UP N REPRESENT
Just got back from Staples, partying in the Lexus luxury box with some major shorties. Got my mack on with this drunk Jewish babe with large mammaries.
I don’t know about all 7, but it was at least 1 magical night of Hanukkah.
Now I’m firing up the hibachi in the penthouse, got some fresh lobster tails and mini weenies (not my own) and the Beeech Dawgettes are rolling spliffs.
Busted a quick poo log at the game, and was able to squeeze out these dope fresh lyrics as well
Getting down with a little Van Halen
While I get my dode pleased by a babe from Jerusalem
Hey, can you blame her, I’m the OG Beeech Dawg
Dem ladies lining up just for a glimpse of my log (this time I am talking about my own)
HEBREW IN THE HOUSE
February 17th, 2012 at 10:45 pm
Palmer is the Raiders QB for the next several seasons, I guarantee it. You guys need to be focusing your energy on the defense 24 hours a day!
February 17th, 2012 at 10:46 pm
I guess Master Beecham hasn’t missed a beat
February 17th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@Master Beeecham:
Hey bro, what should I do? I boned this young shortie but she didn’t give me no head. Now she texting me non-stop. But I crave that oral pleasure.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
Angry Villager with Pitchfork Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@Master Beeecham:
Hey bro, what should I do? I boned this young shortie but she didn’t give me no head. Now she texting me non-stop. But I crave that oral pleasure.
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Thanks for the question, blogger. I get this one a lot.
If you find yourself in a romantic encounter but didn’t receive the complete satisfaction you crave, pop on a Sha Na Na cd and do 50 quick push ups.
By the time the emotion of the jams sink in, you’ll be properly pumped and therefore a more attractive package.
At this point release the Kraken and hope for the best.
February 17th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
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Carson Palmer has been great many times in his career and we’re lucky to have him.
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There is no set value to a QB that can lead any team to the promised land. If CP does it within the next two years, it was a great trade. If he doesn’t, it was still a great trade because Campbell is a QB to “not lose games.” Once you’re in the playoffs, you need a QB that WINS games. Campbell will spend the rest of his career in mediocrity.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:01 pm
Campbell will spend the rest of his career in mediocrity.
* Unless he lands on a team that doesn’t NEED a QB.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:04 pm
djohnnyg Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
People saying Palmer “failed” to get us into the playoffs?
Palmer did WAY MORE THAN ENOUGH to get the Raiders there.
Did he do enuff against Detroit? How about SD?
Palmer did enuff to get the Raiders to at least 10-6. He did his part.
The defense choked away both of those games.
How can anyone blame Palmer for those games?
Unless u have a pre-disposed dislike for the guy how can u possibly blame any of that on Palmer?
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With emphasis on sentence #5.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
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DHB can’t catch the ball without trapping it against his body, hence his proclivity to drop balls and whiff on plays.
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That’s simply not fair. He has made great strides of catching the ball with his hands.
He is FAR from a polished receiver by any stretch of the imagination, but he rarely trapped the ball into his body this past year. As hard of a worker he is, he might still make better progress towards elite… please.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
#607,
He has gotten better in that regard than from the prior year, that is true.
I don’t know why, but in the Super Bowl when Welker missed that catch and everyone was saying how he blew the game etc. I was thinking “if that was DHB could we have counted on him to make that catch”?
My answer to myself was no way.
I could see Denarius making it though.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What a joke to even use Eli in same breath as Palmer….no we aren’t well armed for success….we have no qb
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Just a little advice: the more you say this, the stupider you sound.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:50 pm
# Raider O Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 8:18 pm
DK,
You have to admit, his mouth did a lot of damage. He lost the players, Fans, and it may affect his future in the NFL.
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Actually most Raider fans wanted Hue back and were surprised when they fired him.
If Hue would have had a REAL DC and not have had overpaid players on D that didn’t lay down like dogs in crunch time….the Raiders would have been in the playoffs and Hues’ mouth would have been a mute point if they would have been in the playoffs and you Hue haters know it.
Fact of the matter is…Hue worked his azz off to rally the community and Raider fans to go to home games and try and get a flawed team into the playoffs. He was still one game away from doing so. He dealt with a crap load of adversity as a rookie head coach and still gave this flawed team a fighting chance.
I would like to see Dennis Allen given the same cards Hue was dealt with in his first year as head coach and see what would have happened.
Doesn’t matter now…pressure is all on Chubby Checker and DA now to get this team into playoffs AND sell the Coliseum out during every home game.
February 17th, 2012 at 11:53 pm
ngry Villager with Pitchfork Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 10:51 pm
@Master Beeecham:
Hey bro, what should I do? I boned this young shortie but she didn’t give me no head. Now she texting me non-stop. But I crave that oral pleasure.
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biachi only has sex with dudes. So, if your shortie is a dude, then he is a good resource.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:42 am
i think they actually pay someone to bait this blog.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:23 am
I doubt most Raider fans wanted Jackson to return.I’d say it was probably about 50-50.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:42 am
Lefty,huge ass was a dissapointment,saw him on numerous occaissions in the pre-season looking at Bres as if to say wtf,he could have made a move then but didnt.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:51 am
mods stealing my posts? nothing wrong with the post cork you twat,plagerism be on you if you re-wright it.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:57 am
3rd attempt, Al saunders is a propopent of the Sid gilman,AD passing attack,thats why he is around but with knapp maybe we can control the ball and score in the 2nd half this season,some thing we failed to do under Hue,how may times did we have a lead and not finish games last season.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:04 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
VR…..Seattle from 98-2007 is proof of what holmgren wants for offense…in GB becuz favre’s crazy ass would buck him he had to completely change it
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So than the hope is that Palmer “bucks” Knapp a little, and they make some changes?
I just don’t see a coach looking at Carson Palmer and saying “You know what, I think he would look great running a bunch of naked boots and dumping it off to the TE”.
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I think the whole point is they reduce the number of passes, which limit the opportunities for Palmer to squeeze the ball into tight windows risking that interception habit he has. It will be important they have a pass catching back – which they have in Marcel Reece. – Griffith was that type back at the Atl when Knapp was there, and I believe Seattle had a good pass catching FB, so Reece is a key re-signing. What will be missing are those creative quick flips to Jacoby Ford and deep routes to Denarious Moore, who seemed to have a knack for shaking coverage and getting on the outside shoulder of DBs.
I think Saunders will be there to remind them to take a couple of shots. This will be a run first, play defense, field position type team, hopefully one with a lot of heat with pass rushers coming from different areas.
If the offense gets stagnant, and the defense hasn’t quite took that next step…then its time to worry, b_c as bad as we were the offense could produce under Hue Jack City. McFadden is critical, because his big runs are just as good as a long pass…he’s a threat every time he touches the ball – is he dependable? Will they dangle him for a trade for desperately needed picks?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:04 am
Palmer is a great playa…get over it.
When have the Raiders ever had a QB that doesn’t throw picks? Only Gannon didn’t. All other Raider QB’s have thrown picks, including on our SB winning teams.
I saw that Palmer put the ball into tight places and let our guys make plays, anticipating where they would be and laying it up for them to make BIG plays. I would guess that with no injuries and a whole off season things will improve.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:07 am
And Hue is a good coach….he blew it here because of his big mouth, but the dude can bring it and has fire and huge nards….
February 18th, 2012 at 5:22 am
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZrAqXFle9Q
Hue actually only told the truth and said all the things we saw all year. Maybe it’s ALL his fault….but I doubt it…..
These overpriced chokers need to be dealt with.
Hue was the fall guy for the failure of the players.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:42 am
hue got what he deserved for the awful palmer trade. over/under on palmer ints next season is 18 if he makes it thru the entire season with his broken down body. he’ll be gone in 2 seasons at most. hopefully pryor or some other young player will be ready by then.
February 18th, 2012 at 6:07 am
From Bill Williamson’s column: “The Raiders will pay the difference between Jackson’s salary from the Bengals and what he is due under his remaining contract in Oakland. Because he is not even a position coach, I wouldn’t imagine the Bengals are paying Jackson much.”
February 18th, 2012 at 6:33 am
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:07 am
From Bill Williamson’s column: “The Raiders will pay the difference between Jackson’s salary from the Bengals and what he is due under his remaining contract in Oakland. Because he is not even a position coach, I wouldn’t imagine the Bengals are paying Jackson much.”
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Mark Davis should have fired him for cause.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What a joke to even use Eli in same breath as Palmer….no we aren’t well armed for success….we have no qb
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Just a little advice: the more you say this, the stupider you sound.
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Stupider?
February 18th, 2012 at 7:20 am
I don’t think he was due to make 2 million this year…(don’t even know where I got that number from)
So you’re probably talking about a few hundred thousand…thats all!
February 18th, 2012 at 7:22 am
I think he meant to say “jupiter”.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:47 am
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:21 pm
578. Fans sensed correctly so that this was an improved Raider team helmed by a rookie HC who ignited the long dead O and with one less injury or one or two key plays could;ve taken this team to the post season.
Since he died we’ll never know how good this team could’ve been and will never see another one quite like it.
It also means a 2-3-5 yr rebuild and likely more lsoing seasons after nearly a decades worth so yeah, some people a lil pizzed.
Others who hated Davis loving the fact his legacy is being destroyed but again, thats not the case.
it HAD to change cuz no one could run it like Al.
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Certainly no professional GM could run it into the ground like Al did.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:50 am
Hue is gone. Get over it!
He wasn’t a good coach, and that’s why he is in Cincinnati assisting the DBs & ST coaches.
If he was as good as some of you think, he would have been offered a better coaching position.
Hue finished 8-8 (same as Cable), his team led the league in penalties, and his mouth cost him the respect of some fans and players (I’m sure). He made a lot of promises he couldn’t keep.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:02 am
LOL @ asst secondary coach!
JFB,
I told you the OBN would take care of Hue.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am
What is OBN?
Go Buckeyes!!!
Operation neutered Wolverine!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:08 am
Raider O Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:06 am
What is OBN?
Go Buckeyes!!!
Operation neutered Wolverine!!!
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The Old Boys’ Network
February 18th, 2012 at 8:11 am
You were right J.
Still a pretty dramatic fall in my eyes.
Asst ST coach?? LMAO!!!
I think some of us semi’s could handle that gig.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
lmfao at this quote:
“The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation,” owner Al Davis said in a statement.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
lmfao at this quote:
“The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation,” owner Al Davis said in a statement.
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You mean like the way Hue set this year’s draft on fire, burning up all our picks in the process?
February 18th, 2012 at 8:15 am
“I’m excited about Hue getting the head coaching job,” Raiders tight end Zach Miller said in a phone interview. “I really like the direction our offense is going and how much we improved. This was the best offensive year we’ve had since I’ve been a Raider. I’m excited to have the continuity.”
Immediately afterwards leaves as a free agent.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Preppie,
Don’t be scurred!!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:22 am
The Old Boys’ Network
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Actually …
Ole Brutha Network, lol.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:26 am
Was looking at that profootballtalk site, and it’s becoming pretty clear to me that we need to cut Wimbley and go HARD after Mario Williams.
I agree with Priest that we need to keep John Henderson.
Williams, Seymour, ShoNasty, Bryant, Henderson, Houston????
WOW, what a DLine that would be.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:29 am
Avril would be a nice consolation prize.
Wonder if we were one of the teams who called his agent since we just hired that Dline coach (or was it the DC) who coached him previously.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am
B got into it with RaiderDuck aka Seymour Bush so OakGlen did what he always does. He goes on another alias and takes a jab.
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C2E Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What a joke to even use Eli in same breath as Palmer….no we aren’t well armed for success….we have no qb
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Just a little advice: the more you say this, the stupider you sound.
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Stupider?
February 18th, 2012 at 8:47 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:36 am
B got into it with RaiderDuck aka Seymour Bush so OakGlen did what he always does. He goes on another alias and takes a jab.
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C2E Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 11:48 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 9:40 am
What a joke to even use Eli in same breath as Palmer….no we aren’t well armed for success….we have no qb
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Just a little advice: the more you say this, the stupider you sound.
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Stupider?
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And for the 99th time, I AM NOT SEYMOUR BUSH. Him (assuming he’s a “he”) and I may agree on some things, but WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON.
I SOCKPUPPET FOR NOBODY. NEVER HAVE, NEVER WILL.
That is all.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Kind of a slow couple of days when Brandon Underwood is a hot topic…
I recall reading about him the year he was drafted, seemed like the guy had some talent and versatility.
Underwood is clearly a head-case, but now that he spent a year out of the league, I hope he realized this is his last chance and dedicates himself to the game.
Plus, the old Raiders used to snatch crazy guys that nobody wanted and turn them into players, nice to see Reggie is not affraid to give guys another shot.
In the end, Underwood may replace Boyd or Eugene as Dime Back and ST ace or he can get cut in training camp, he’s worth the risk.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:07 am
I can’t figure out the ruckus about Underwood. He’s a street free agent signed during the offseason. If he works out, great! If not, we cut him. Nobody outside this blog will even care.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:13 am
J,
I like Wimbley, but he is not worth $10 million. If Mario is Available, then we should cut Wimbley and go after Mario.
DE: Mario
DT: Seymour
DT: Houston
DE: Matt S
SLB: Curry
MLB: McClain
WLB: Goethel/ Rookie/ FA
February 18th, 2012 at 9:15 am
I think Curry is a better option at SLB that WLB.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Henderson is done IMO. Dude can’t stay healthy, and that’s a problem when you are his age.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:25 am
thats the least the Bengals could do for the man who handed the organazation top picks for guy sitting home on the couch
February 18th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Restructure with Curry, trade/ cut Wimbley & TK, and sign Mario Williams.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:28 am
I also like C Campbell, if we can’t sign Mario.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:29 am
I like Wimbley but the only way he stays is if he takes a paycut.
We need bodies on the D-line, lots of them. Putting pressure on the other teams QB is what The NY Giants did well in the Playoffs.
We need to upgrade our O-line. It seemed Satele did not look as good the last month.
I don’t want CJ, Huff makes way too much money, hopefully Chekwa and DVD step up and get better in the offseason.
Oh yeah, thank goodness we have CP3. He gives us a chance, that is a plain and simple fact.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Have a gr8 week end Nation!
February 18th, 2012 at 9:31 am
Henderson 10 games is not a bad thing. Rotational player, shouldn’t be a problem.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:34 am
We could get Red Bryant, Soliai AND Avril for the price of Mario Williams.
J — As much as I like Big John Henderson…he’s getting old. He’s been having a hard time bouncing back from nagging injuries the past few years…and it’s mighty hard lugging all that weight on old, bad legs. He’s very much a part-timer, just like you-know-who @ RB.
Let’s bring in somebody LIKE John Henderson…BIG, nasty(er), YOUNGER. More than one of them. Get ready for more 3-4-like schemes…we need those walls up the middle.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Henderson is due $4 million, so I don’t think we will keep him to be a rotational guy for 10 games. I think we can do better finding cheaper and younger talent to be a rotational guy.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:41 am
We could get Red Bryant, Soliai AND Avril for the price of Mario Williams.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
No you can’t. You can sign 2/3, and a 2nd tier FA LB for the price of Mario, but I rather have Mario.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:46 am
We could get Red Bryant, Soliai AND Avril for the price of Mario Williams.
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You think so?
Soliai isn’t going to come cheap, and neither is Avril.
You think we are going 3-4?
If so, I don’t think we go after Williams or Avril.
Soliai? Maybe so.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:48 am
If Soliai is a dominant force, I wonder why Miami is going to swithc defenses and let this guy walk?
And we hear in here all the time how a 4-3 needs a run stuffing NT in the mold of Soliai, so again, why are they letting this guy walk?
February 18th, 2012 at 9:49 am
O — Let’s watch the contracts when they’re made. I wouldn’t be surprised if Mario gets about the same $$ guaranteed as the 3 of those guys combined do.
My point: I’d love to see us go after any one of those guys. Mario included…but not for $20 million per year.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:54 am
HD37,
I understand your point, and I don’t think the org will go after big name FAs, but it’s better than talking about Hue/ Palmer vs. JC. lol
February 18th, 2012 at 10:03 am
Vegas….where u @??
Runnin Rebels….#justwinbaby!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Breaking News:
Roger Goodell clarifies comments about LA team:
“We are NOT considering expansion”
Is San Diego, Raiders, or Minnesota now in play again?
February 18th, 2012 at 10:29 am
More news:
Cliff Avril “wants to stay a Lion” but…”You only go through free agency once or twice in your career”.
There’s been talk about Avril possibly coming to Oakland.
Possibility?
February 18th, 2012 at 10:31 am
You won’t get top tier ree agents w/out spending big $. It’s just the way it is.
You wanna play with the big boys u have to spend like it.
I don’t like it either but it’s the way it is.
February 18th, 2012 at 10:34 am
djohnnyg Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Breaking News:
Roger Goodell clarifies comments about LA team:
“We are NOT considering expansion”
Is San Diego, Raiders, or Minnesota now in play again?
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If the Minnesota legislature approves the Vikings’ proposed plans, they’re staying put.
Us, the Chargers, the Rams and the Jags are still in contention for one or both of the proposed LA locations.
February 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The mods must have a list of words that cause you to be blocked from posting for a day. People can post all kinds of garbage but I used one word last night and got blocked.
February 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The mods must have a list of words that cause you to be blocked from posting for a day. People can post all kinds of garbage but I used one word last night and got blocked.
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Interestingly enough, our President’s last name is amongst the “forbidden words.”
February 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I slipped up and didn’t change a couple of letters in the word P1$$ED.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:00 am
642.Marley Bob Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Kind of a slow couple of days when Brandon Underwood is a hot topic…
I recall reading about him the year he was drafted, seemed like the guy had some talent and versatility.
Underwood is clearly a head-case, but now that he spent a year out of the league, I hope he realized this is his last chance and dedicates himself to the game.
Plus, the old Raiders used to snatch crazy guys that nobody wanted and turn them into players, nice to see Reggie is not affraid to give guys another shot.
In the end, Underwood may replace Boyd or Eugene as Dime Back and ST ace or he can get cut in training camp, he’s worth the risk.
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Good post Bob.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Also they are monitoring any derogatory expressions on AD but I never make any because I liked him Maybe because he is out of work, they put John Herrera on to censor last night for minimum wage.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:02 am
Funny, you could type the word cock but not pu$$y…
February 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Let’s go Lobo’s!!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I’m happy about the direction the team is headed in but I really wish Al coulda got the chance to assemble a Super Bowl winning team onre more time. It won’t be the same without when the that time comews again. Hopefully under coach Allen.
Cheers guys, enjoy the rest of the weekend!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Are we a 3-4 or 4-3 defense?
Any word from Allen on this since the DC hire?
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I didn’t love everything Al Davis did these last years since the SB appearence, but…if the Raiders were to hoist the Lombardi in the next couple yrs. I want Mark to say “Al Davis, Al Davis, Al Davis” over and over again just to tick off all the NFL brass that hated him so much.
If for no other reason.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:10 am
…while he’s receiving the trophy of course.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Djohnnyg Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I didn’t love everything Al Davis did these last years since the SB appearence, but…if the Raiders were to hoist the Lombardi in the next couple yrs. I want Mark to say “Al Davis, Al Davis, Al Davis” over and over again just to tick off all the NFL brass that hated him so much.
If for no other reason.
That would be great! And funny watching all the haters!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
J Hill Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
Are we a 3-4 or 4-3 defense?
Any word from Allen on this since the DC hire?
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No official word. If I were placing bets, I’d bet 3-4.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
So, if the mods made a list of words you cannot use and then blocking us for usage of tose said words…where’s the list?
February 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Djohnnyg Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:08 am
I didn’t love everything Al Davis did these last years since the SB appearence, but…if the Raiders were to hoist the Lombardi in the next couple yrs. I want Mark to say “Al Davis, Al Davis, Al Davis” over and over again just to tick off all the NFL brass that hated him so much.
If for no other reason.
That would be great! And funny watching all the haters!!!
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How about if we win the Super Bowl when Al Michaels is calling the game? We could bring Carol down to give him a big ol’ slap in the face.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:12 am
So, if the mods made a list of words you cannot use and then blocking us for usage of tose said words…where’s the list?
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Nowhere we can find it.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:13 am
664.RaiderDuck Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:34 am
djohnnyg Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Breaking News:
Roger Goodell clarifies comments about LA team:
“We are NOT considering expansion”
Is San Diego, Raiders, or Minnesota now in play again?
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If the Minnesota legislature approves the Vikings’ proposed plans, they’re staying put.
Us, the Chargers, the Rams and the Jags are still in contention for one or both of the proposed LA locations.
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I gotta think something’s going on for Goodell to come out today and say this. He CLEARLY stated recently that it was expansion they were wanting, NOT relocation.
Now he’s “clarifying” that.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:58 am
I slipped up and didn’t change a couple of letters in the word P1$$ED.
Interesting to know why that word is on the blocked list
February 18th, 2012 at 11:14 am
Exactly Duck…it’s like playing Russian Roulette here then…
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
Anyways…bbl, Nation!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I bet we are 3-4 40% of the time, 4-3 about 30% of the time, and some hybrid lineup the other 30%.
So why do we insist on talking about it?
Let’s just be thankful, whatever “base” we are, will have some diversity to it.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Let’s go Rebels!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Too many Americans lack critical thinking.
Yes, Hue Jacks trashed his DC and players at his final presser but what people miss is that he was RIGHT.
Media types (except for Jerry Mac) recoiled in horror that Hue had “lied” to them during the season.
Only J Mac pointed out that ALL Coaches lie thru their teeth, engage in double speak and politically correct blandishments.
Truth was, Bresnahan’s calls, personnel decisions and over incompetence cost Hue his job and the Raiders the play offs.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I bet we are 3-4 40% of the time, 4-3 about 30% of the time, and some hybrid lineup the other 30%.
So why do we insist on talking about it?
Let’s just be thankful, whatever “base” we are, will have some diversity to it.
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Last season we ran a 4-3 “base” 3-4 look, 5-2, Tampa 2-3 and a variety of other formations on D.
Vanilla D under Davis like many many other ridiculous myths get passed along by biased and or ill informed journalists.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:31 am
MO FRESH SAT THROWDOWN, WHUT WHUT
Yo blog nerds & assorted goobers
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Meeting are way lame unless you’re super baked on quality green, word up to Bill Gates
One idea being floated is that I start giving free love and party advice to the dorks on the blog. This will no doubt increase my popularity with the all important internet dweeb demographic.
The Reggae Party Boat sets sail soon, so I may entertain some questions while the boat’s rocking.
Who knows, I may solve your many love problems while I’m receiving a sweet handy.
SHOUT OUT TO MARINATED FLANK STEAK WITH BALSAMIC DRIZZLE, WIZZLE
February 18th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I bet we are 3-4 40% of the time, 4-3 about 30% of the time, and some hybrid lineup the other 30%.
So why do we insist on talking about it?
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I bet you are wrong.
Who runs a 4-3 AND a 3-4????
You may have 3-4 teams with 4 dline guys in a pass rush situation but there won’t be 3 LBs on the field too.
It’s either or as a “base” defense.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Last season we ran a 4-3 “base” 3-4 look,
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What does that mean?
February 18th, 2012 at 11:45 am
And I think it’s a relevant topic, JFB, because it would impact roster decisions.
Or do you think 4-3 guys and 3-4 guys are interchangeable?
February 18th, 2012 at 11:50 am
Vanilla D under Davis like many many other ridiculous myths get passed along by biased and or ill informed journalists.
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Not journalists,more like on places like this.The experts come here and spew their views as facts and many pick up on what they want to hear,keep repeating it,and treat it as gospel.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:51 am
If they intend on showing more 3-4 looks, Wimbley is the only real fit at OLB, and they don’t have anyone who can handle the NT duties.
If they’re going to stick to mostly 4-3, they need to address WLB and MLB, and still need to find a guy who can handle 1-tech DT. Hopefully a healthy Matt Shaughnessy provides a boost at RDE, but the Raiders could still use another impact DE, especially if Houston moves inside (which he should).
February 18th, 2012 at 11:57 am
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Vanilla D under Davis like many many other ridiculous myths get passed along by biased and or ill informed journalists.
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And when was the last time we ran a zone blitz? Or anything else unusual? It’s been almost exclusively the 4-3 bump-and-run with few blitzes and the single deep safety. Occasionally (like Rob Ryan’s first year) we’ve run a 3-4 but the pass coverage has always stayed the same. The last guy to really try something different was Willie Shaw, and Al canned him after two seasons for Chuckie B (Version 1).
I distinctly remember Chris Collinsworth a season or two back saying (words approximate): “Oakland’s defense so far has looked like the base defense most teams run the first week of training camp, before they actually install anything.”
February 18th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Check out this picture of Hue Jackson. Is that a Raider shirt under the Bengals shirt?http://news.cincinnati.com/article/20120217/SPT02/302170079/Hue-Jackson-back-Bengals?odyssey=tab|topnews|text|Bengals
February 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
#696 Sure is. Good eye. Guess he’s still a Raider at heart.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
“The Jackson signing is also announced on the day that Raiders corner Stanford Routt is reportedly visiting Cincinnati.”
February 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Also, Mike Love of the Beach Boys went to Hawthorne High School as did most of them except Al Jardine.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Also, Mike Love of the Beach Boys went to Hawthorne High School as did most of them except Al Jardine.
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So that means Mike, Brian and Bruce?
February 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I cant imagine that we have ever spent much time working on zones or exotic coverages. most every time we’ve tried to zone up in the past, we end up getting lost & looking very confused.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
I cant imagine that we have ever spent much time working on zones or exotic coverages. most every time we’ve tried to zone up in the past, we end up getting lost & looking very confused.
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Because it was hardly ever practiced, and because Al rarely brought in guys who could even play zone. Thus, when we tried it, we were no good.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
that’s my point exactly duck. we practice the pro bowl defense, so vanilla is all we know
February 18th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
I cant wait to watch oakland play some 21st century football
February 18th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
The key to Defenses in this era of NFL football, is that they must be well-disguised on most downs…not just a few downs where they blitz.
The QB’s today have been programmed well…they (the good ones, anyway) recognize more formations, schemes, stunts and blitzes than ever before. A Defense that is predictable — no matter what its alignment is — is as easy to play against as an Offense where every play can be predicted.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
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The Reggae Party Boat has set sail from Marina Del Rey to Newport, the bizzies are freakin’ to a little Toad the Wet Sprocket on the dance floor, and the OG Beeech Dawg is here to answer your love and party questions.
My all start production team, the Certified Street Posse guarantees this will improve my popularity rating with the internet nerd demographic.
So fire away, this should be totally hilarious. I mean, I’m looking forward to helping you.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
HD37,
I’d be happy with a defense that was able to identify what the other team did best and simply take that away.
When we play SD, Gates should not beat us.
When we play Det, Calvin Johnson should not be tearing our D up.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
705. Yup and I like our new coaches to bring it to oakland.. We would never top great qbs doing Als way.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Come up with something against the Patsies that makes Brady go to his 3rd read because we have Welker and Gronkowski coverd.
More importantly, the routes that they like to run on 3rd down are covered.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Al’s D didn’t kill the Raiders last year…ChuckieB killed the Raiders Defense. At least one play per game, that would’ve been enough to get us another 3+ wins but didn’t, was directly attributable to formations/Player matchups called by Bresnahan.
D.A., being a “Defensive specialist” won’t become so predictable…will he? And…when he calls a Defense, his Players will be coached to be in the right position/s, right?
It’s time to stop missing assignments on the regular.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
I remember seeing some highlights against the Pats where the LBs literally knocked the TEs and RBs down to the ground.
Now THAT is a damn chip off the line.
I want a DC that teaches that!
February 18th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Al’s D didn’t kill the Raiders last year…ChuckieB killed the Raiders Defense. At least one play per game, that would’ve been enough to get us another 3+ wins but didn’t, was directly attributable to formations/Player matchups called by Bresnahan.
D.A., being a “Defensive specialist” won’t become so predictable…will he? And…when he calls a Defense, his Players will be coached to be in the right position/s, right?
It’s time to stop missing assignments on the regular.
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Between DA and Tarver, we’ll not be lacking for schemes. I love Tarver’s descriptions (in the YouTube video) of training players for different “units” that can then be inserted into different spots on the defensive front, offering completely different looks without the defenders doing anything unfamiliar.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
700.RaiderDuck Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Also, Mike Love of the Beach Boys went to Hawthorne High School as did most of them except Al Jardine.
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So that means Mike, Brian and Bruce?
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They lived off of 119th west of Crenshaw Blvd by Hawthorne Airport. Al Jardine went to Leuzinger. There is a plaque on the Century Fwy wall where their house was before the freeway took it out. I grew up in Hawthorne though we had an Inglewood mailing address. Stan Love , Mike’s brother went to Morningside H.S. and later played with the Baltimore Bullets and L.A. Lakers. Stan’s son Kevin Love plays for the T-Wolves.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Even though the Beach Boys were then Superstars, they played for the Hawthorne H.S. Prom in 1969.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
The right players have an awful lot to do with how well any D performs.
Find another LesterHayes#37 and Mike Haynes to pair-up at CB, and play any Defensive scheme you want. If either DVD or Chekwa is the real, we could be halfway there. A Ronnie Lott at Safety makes any alignment better.
Calvin Johnson doesn’t make that catch — even with McClain dropping into coverage — with ANY above-average Safety covering over the top, he would’ve been violently separated from the ball. Any AVERAGE Safety would’ve been in correct position to make a play. The Raiders Defense was poorly managed, regardless.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
700.RaiderDuck Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Also, Mike Love of the Beach Boys went to Hawthorne High School as did most of them except Al Jardine.
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So that means Mike, Brian and Bruce?
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They lived off of 119th west of Crenshaw Blvd by Hawthorne Airport. Al Jardine went to Leuzinger. There is a plaque on the Century Fwy wall where their house was before the freeway took it out. I grew up in Hawthorne though we had an Inglewood mailing address. Stan Love , Mike’s brother went to Morningside H.S. and later played with the Baltimore Bullets and L.A. Lakers. Stan’s son Kevin Love plays for the T-Wolves.
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Oops! I totally misunderstood the question; I thought you meant they had gone there LAST NIGHT or something, not that they had attended there.
IIRC, Mike Love is the Wilson brothers’ cousin or somesuch.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
The Raiders Defense was poorly managed, regardless.
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Agreed.
ZERO reason for Huff and Branch not to be on the backend of that Cover 2.
Boyd and Gio when those 2 were healthy?
AND we had 3 healthy corners???
Didn’t understand what Chuck B was doing.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
J Hill Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:51 pm
Didn’t understand what Chuck B was doing.
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Totally sucking.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
There was a Chinese Family in the early 60’s that moved in 4 blks north of me. For Halloween, they gave out stickers that said the Green Hornet was coming. 30 years later, I found out that it was Bruce Lee.
February 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue is a such a btch…I hate his guts
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You have the most worthless comments out of anyone besides Master Biatchem, on this entire blog. We hate your guts…
February 18th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
ddsman Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Hue is a such a btch…I hate his guts
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You have the most worthless comments out of anyone besides Master Biatchem, on this entire blog. We hate your guts…
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And Method’s terrible spelling and grammar is a sight to behold, as well…
February 18th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Oops! I totally misunderstood the question; I thought you meant they had gone there LAST NIGHT or something, not that they had attended there.
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In the Cincy article about Hue Jackson, they said he went to Dorsey H.S. and alumni of Mike Love. Misstated fact. That’s all.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
707. Your not happy with megatron being covered by a de/lb?
February 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
As far as “rebuilding” is concerned I wonder if we can really be heading into a “full rebuild” if we have Palmer at QB, as they say he will.
Does Palmer really wanna be part of that?
You’d think Carson would want a good team for him to be QB for the grudge match at Cincy that is on the schedule.
That will be an interesting game.
Raiders with Carson vs. Bengals, Dalton and Hue.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Your not happy with megatron being covered by a de/lb?
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It was a zone coverage.
I have no problem with McClain’s hustle to get back into a play so far down the field.
I have an issue with Gio and Boyd being the backend safeties when Branch and Huff were healthy enough to be on the field. Should have AT LEAST been Gio and Branch.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Master Beeechm,
Thank you for being so kind as to field questions about love and relationships today.
I’d like to ask what I need to do to attract more fat chicks into my life.
The fat wife I married went on a diet and isn’t fat anymore.
I find that to be quite disconcerting and I’m ready to dump her.
Now that i’l;l be on the prowl for more fat chicks to fill the void, what can I do to attract these two ton tessies?
Thanks.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:47 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:45 am
The mods must have a list of words that cause you to be blocked from posting for a day. People can post all kinds of garbage but I used one word last night and got blocked.
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Interestingly enough, our President’s last name is amongst the “forbidden words.”
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In other words, keep it football related.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:11 pm
Brien’s spelling isn’t attrocious…
Now, MB, he’s one of the more glaring examples of users in here who can’t spell a lick, or correctly craft more than three or four sentences in a row. Even falling back on the, “Hey, it’s only a blog,” excuse can’t hide functional illiteracy at work.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
Carl Weathers Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:05 am
I’m happy about the direction the team is headed in but I really wish Al coulda got the chance to assemble a Super Bowl winning team onre more time. It won’t be the same without when the that time comews again. Hopefully under coach Allen.
Cheers guys, enjoy the rest of the weekend!
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Never woulda happened. Not in our lifetimes.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
RaiderSam Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
In other words, keep it football related.
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That isn’t exactly enforced, you know.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:26 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I bet we are 3-4 40% of the time, 4-3 about 30% of the time, and some hybrid lineup the other 30%.
So why do we insist on talking about it?
Let’s just be thankful, whatever “base” we are, will have some diversity to it.
====================
Last season we ran a 4-3 “base” 3-4 look, 5-2, Tampa 2-3 and a variety of other formations on D.
Vanilla D under Davis like many many other ridiculous myths get passed along by biased and or ill informed journalists.
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And the results of running the different looks pretty much were the same as every year other than 2006.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I wish we could link our comments to a facebook or twitter account. That would immediately cut down on all the racial nonsense and abuse. It would also allow us to see how ugly Method To My Fatness is…
February 18th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
707. Your not happy with megatron being covered by a de/lb?
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Irony was the Giants Chase Blackburn being in coverage and making one of the biggest plays in the Super Bowl on the Pats 2nd best receiver, Gronkowski. So, yeah Linebackers will drop back in coverage that far.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Been watching highlights of DMAC and Ford…..WOW!
DMAC is gonna get another year, he’s just too good to trade right now despite his foot problems and unwillingness to play through pain.
Ford aint going anywhere. He’s a baller that is still learning.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:14 am
exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:13 am
lmfao at this quote:
“The fire in Hue will set a flame that will burn for a long time in the hearts and minds of the Raider football team and the Raider Nation,” owner Al Davis said in a statement.
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You mean like the way Hue set this year’s draft on fire, burning up all our picks in the process?
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He beat San Diego on Thursday Night (and they looked dominant, Palmer had near career high passer rating in that game), he also beat a playoff bound Texan team on the last int after Davis died.
he went 8-8, ENOUGH ALREADY. Its done.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
ddsman Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
I wish we could link our comments to a facebook or twitter account. That would immediately cut down on all the racial nonsense and abuse. It would also allow us to see how ugly Method To My Fatness is…
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Or Disqus, or any one of a number of better comment programs out there. Wordpress blows.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
David Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Master Beeechm,
Thank you for being so kind as to field questions about love and relationships today.
I’d like to ask what I need to do to attract more fat chicks into my life.
The fat wife I married went on a diet and isn’t fat anymore.
I find that to be quite disconcerting and I’m ready to dump her.
Now that i’l;l be on the prowl for more fat chicks to fill the void, what can I do to attract these two ton tessies?
Thanks.
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Thanks for your question, David. I get this one a lot.
For you chubby chasers it’s VERY important to have dinner every single night of the week at Chili’s.
Simple rule of thumb – find the women you need to satisfy your craving around the food that satisfies their cravings.
That’s why the Beeech Dawg always eats at 7-11 (cause I get ladies 7 days a week, on average of 11 hours a day).
Next question please
February 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Link to facebook or Twitter, and instantly lose somewhere between 50-80% of the posters in here. MOST of the anonymous posters don’t need to be censored in any fashion whatsoever. However, some need/ed to go, and MNG are doing a PRETTY good job of keeping tabs. This place wouldn’t be nearly as fun with only 25% of the people left.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
So, Dds — You’re calling for registration. What other user name did you have before Dds?
February 18th, 2012 at 1:49 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Link to facebook or Twitter, and instantly lose somewhere between 50-80% of the posters in here. MOST of the anonymous posters don’t need to be censored in any fashion whatsoever. However, some need/ed to go, and MNG are doing a PRETTY good job of keeping tabs. This place wouldn’t be nearly as fun with only 25% of the people left.
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Thanks for your question, old Cornball. I get this one a lot.
Being a lowly blog goober with no social life just means you have to try extra hard in the real world.
Ditch the hawaiian shirts and Dockers and start wearing clean under pants. Trust the Beeech Dawg, most woman can smell men like you with skid marks in their tighty whities a mile away.
Finally when you do get a real woman home, do not bore her with made of stories of your glory days. Be open an honest and pray for a rare pity encounter.
Next question please.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
I bet you are wrong.
Who runs a 4-3 AND a 3-4????
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A Dennis Allen coached defense.
You are right in some area’s, a base 4-3 and a base 3-4 are going to require different personnel.
But we will be much more diverse in years past. Haven’t seen any numbers from 2011, but in 2010, we lined up in the “Base” 4-3, 60% of the time, which was the 2nd highest in the league.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
but in 2010, we lined up in the “Base” 4-3, 60% of the time, which was the 2nd highest in the league.
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We may not be in our base as much as we have in previous years, but we will in fact have a base defense.
We are NOT running 3-4 and 4-3. There may be some running situations where we bring in an extra Dlineman or 2. But that would hardly constitute “switching” base defenses.
February 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Didn’t ask a question of you, Beeechboredumb troll. You don’t even know what a question looks like?
You’re so craving attention, you address people you imagine addressing you. Go back to your bad “rapping,” troll — you might impress the other 9th-graders passing through. For once.
February 18th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
Didn’t ask a question of you, Beeechboredumb troll. You don’t even know what a question looks like?
You’re so craving attention, you address people you imagine addressing you. Go back to your bad “rapping,” troll — you might impress the other 9th-graders passing through. For once.
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By the frustrated tone of your response, I’m sensing your trouble with women has been a difficult, ongoing issue.
It’s ok, Cornball – I have heard that most men have trouble scoring women. It’s of no consequence that I find it hilarious and amusing. The important part is that you get the help you need.
Now, when’s the last time you were with a woman so I know how much to laugh – er, I mean how much help to give you?
February 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Our problem with zone, is we couldnt practice it while Al was watching. He dodnt take on many zone guys or coach them up.. All man all the time.. When we switched to xone out of desperation at the end of games, gio was the only buy who looked like he haf done it b4..
February 18th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
Our problem with zone, is we couldnt practice it while Al was watching. He dodnt take on many zone guys or coach them up.. All man all the time.. When we switched to xone out of desperation at the end of games, gio was the only buy who looked like he haf done it b4..
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Whole new ballgame now. I’d expect us to run zones on 80% or more of plays this coming season.
February 18th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
So…we never practiced those schemes that we tried in games??
Mark’s Hair — You need a shampoo.
It only LOOKED like we never practiced those things (see: Calvin Johnson vs Boyd, above).
February 18th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
This is probably the most thorough, informative, and well-written fansite article I’ve ever come across. Good read:
http://www.silverandblackpride.com/2012/2/18/2808607/ironing-out-what-2012-compensatory-draft-picks-oakland-raiders-should-expect
February 18th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
747. Its looked that way long b4 boyd got here
February 18th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
We are NOT running 3-4 and 4-3. There may be some running situations where we bring in an extra Dlineman or 2. But that would hardly constitute “switching” base defenses.
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Agreed.
I believe having different “base” defenses, would be an NFL oxymoron.
February 18th, 2012 at 2:36 pm
Hue Jackson did one thing no other coach has accomplished, even with the discounts, he sold out all 8 games. The extra 160,000 in attendance and what they spent sure helped the bottom line.
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Hue made the team more entertaining for sure. Getting off to a winning start and being in playoff contention the entire season was even more important.
I dont think the 2012 Raiders will be as fun but if they are winning fans will be happy.
February 18th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
You think Aaron Brooks was any good? Most would say no. Raiders have an Aaroon Brooks caliber QB making $12.5 million a year and that’s just ridiculous. He should be shown the door just like Routt.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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Dumbest post ever.
February 18th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
Tebow beat Palmer…win div and wins home playoff game….
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Actually Denver beat the Raiders. 2nd dumbest post ever. So based on your logic you would rather have Teblow’s than Carson Palmer? There goes your cred.
February 18th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
More importantly, where does Boyd end up? Franchise-Tag? He is going to have a whole offseason in the system now just wiat
February 18th, 2012 at 3:22 pm
Being an “Old Raider Fart” and appreciating what Al Davis meant to this beloved organisation, after seeing what went on the last 10-15 years or so and realising that things had to change, I came across this quotation which I’m sure the “RAIDER NATION” both old and young will appreciate as to maybe why we all became “RAIDERS”.
“In football I root for the OAKLAND RAIDERS, because they hire castoffs,outlaws, malcontents and fu*k ups. They have lots of penalties, fights and paybacks, and because Al Davis (RIP) told the rest of the PIGNFL owners to go get fu*ked. Someday the RAIDERS will be strong again, and they will shove it down the throats of the wholesome heartland teams, that pray together and don’t deliver late hits!”
February 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Well now that the HUE is in cincy, And with Carson Palmer likely our starter, The NFL is surely going to make our trip to the natti a Night Game/National. There is definetly a new storyline there, especially if both teams are competitive (both will probably be).
“Carson’s Return to Cincy for Revenge”
“Hue Jackson primes the special teamers to defeat the team that fired him”
I can see it now…
February 18th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
“For you chubby chasers it’s VERY important to have dinner every single night of the week at Chili’s.”
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I’m not a big fan of Chili’s, but it’s worth a try.
Thanks for the help Dawg.
February 18th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
754. Specialteams
February 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
756. Raidertalk, would be even better to have it on Sunday Night Football, and have THE RAIDERS shove it down hue, michaels and collingsworth throats!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:06 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 2:46 pm
RaidO Says:
February 17th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Palmer had 2 good(decent) years in Cinci with at the time a top WR(Ocho) in the NFL. He is an INT machine. Always has been.
You think Aaron Brooks was any good? Most would say no. Raiders have an Aaroon Brooks caliber QB making $12.5 million a year and that’s just ridiculous. He should be shown the door just like Routt.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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Dumbest post ever.
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Numbers don’t lie. ‘Seymour Bush’ you must have drank that Hue Jackson “Greatest trade in football” Kool Aid. You Palmer “Overraters” on here are getting ridiculous. I don’t see how you can debate 16 INT’s in 10 games which is just a continuation of his Cinci 2010 season were he threw a boat load of INT’s also.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:08 pm
Raiderjambo Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
756. Raidertalk, would be even better to have it on Sunday Night Football, and have THE RAIDERS shove it down hue, michaels and collingsworth throats!
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Would be nice, that coldhearted michaels, “How long to think Al will be around?” should apologize for saying that.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Cp3 really needs to fix that deal.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
Cp3 really needs to fix that deal.
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Not half as much as the no-covers-killz, lb Kam-Kam Wimbley. The second highest paid player on our roster. (with a total of count’em 3 whole sacks outside of sandiego last year)
February 18th, 2012 at 4:24 pm
I’d say Palmer did “fix” his game as the season went on. As was pointed out earlier, check Palmer’s stats against Det and SD and you should have a hard time understanding why this is even a topic.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
Looking back 695. regarding your comments about Cris Collinsworth. Remember meeting that SLOW a*hole at a University of Florida rugby party after we DEMOLISHED (RAIDER STYLE) ufa rugby club. Thought he was a piece of hot sh*t, when in actual fact we had two rugby wingers who were hot sh*t faster than him and could catch anything coming their way. Collinsworth was nothing but a blonde haired, “mommas boy” out of the ufa, who was nothing more than average receiver, who happened to be in the right place at the right time. How dare he comment on our sh*itty defense4 that probably would have manahandled his slow ass!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Sounds like wimbleys gone. He wont resign. So bye bye!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Collinsworth is a dk hole.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Palmer’s ints weren’t as bad as numbers seem.He threw 10 of those 16 in 3 games.One game he threw 3 with almost no practice with the team or the receivers,3 the next game which was the same as HIS 1st pre-season game,then 4 in the GB game that was over before the offense even hit the field.Numbers can and do lie and can be made to support any argument-even ones that are wrong.In the 7 other games he threw 6 ints.Not exactly an int. machine some like to make him out to be.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Leaders need to defur some of their guaranteed money now and then for the sake of winning. This is one of those yrs. Als gone, we need a stadium. We need to WIN.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
Sounds like wimbleys gone. He wont resign. So bye bye!
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Really? He’s not gonna restructure. Is there a link? I guess he doesn’t want to give back the ill-gotten gain!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Regarding Palmer, everybody relax and let’s just see what happens with a training camp and our young receivers transpires. Everything can only improve from this point out.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:29 pm
Palmer’s ints weren’t as bad as numbers seem.He threw 10 of those 16 in 3 games.One game he threw 3 with almost no practice with the team or the receivers,3 the next game which was the same as HIS 1st pre-season game,then 4 in the GB game that was over before the offense even hit the field.Numbers can and do lie and can be made to support any argument-even ones that are wrong.In the 7 other games he threw 6 ints.Not exactly an int. machine some like to make him out to be.
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No No No, do not blame the off the couch (pre season) stuff. He is a INT machine that’s what he does. It’s just a continuation of his Cinci 2010 season.
Look familiar?
Carson palmer 2010 interceptions
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOhiAL3N1zU
February 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Cp3 is a gunslinger.. Some people fear the way of the gun. personally, I have high hopes that he’ll give us the best season by a raider qb since gannon won the mvp.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
I dont have the link, it might have been sirius radio
February 18th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
So everyone saying Palmer was an interception machine…well, yes, he was over the last few years…but so was Favre, blah blah blah…we have to ride with Palmer for now unless Reggie pulls off the greatest release of all time…when that happens…who will be our starting QB? May say that the offense needs no retooling…if Palmer’s gone, and JC most likely not coming back…who will it be?
February 18th, 2012 at 4:40 pm
Gunslinger or pop gun who is our choice RAIDER NATION?
February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
No,No,NO-I don’t buy your BS.Go sell it somewhere else.Ints are the result of multiple things,not just the QB.TO and Ocho caused many of those ints.His numbers increased dramatically when they didn’t play.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
SOrry, meant to say…if the o needs no rebuilding, if Palmer and JC goes…wouldn’t that be rebuilding?
February 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Marks Hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Cp3 is a gunslinger.. Some people fear the way of the gun. personally, I have high hopes that he’ll give us the best season by a raider qb since gannon won the mvp.
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LOL, yeah a gunslinger who has put up numbers like Aaron Brooks.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
No,No,NO-I don’t buy your BS.Go sell it somewhere else.Ints are the result of multiple things,not just the QB.TO and Ocho caused many of those ints.His numbers increased dramatically when they didn’t play.
That is true!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
775. Just not gonna happen. What if mark.D sold the team to the kardashians?
February 18th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Some people fear the way of the gun.
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LOL
February 18th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
779. Im not as worried about a few stats as you billy bean
February 18th, 2012 at 4:46 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
No,No,NO-I don’t buy your BS.Go sell it somewhere else.Ints are the result of multiple things,not just the QB.TO and Ocho caused many of those ints.His numbers increased dramatically when they didn’t play.
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Yeah i guess you will blame the Raider WR’s for Palmer putting up 16 INT’s in 10 games. Keep blaming WR’s. LOL. Get outta here with that mess.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Maybe you don’t understand football.When a route is a timing route and the play calls for say a 10 yd out,and the WR cuts the route off at 7 yards,the ball has an excellent chance of being intercepted.That is just one example of how a WR can cause an int.Or,the WR could fall down while the pass is perfectly thrown to where it should have been-like what happened when Ford slipped and fell against SD i believe-and it will be intercepted.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Like when JC threw right to Patrick Chung when he threw to a spot that DHB was supposed to be…it happens!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Point guys…we had a game manager in JC…and he did well for us, but still, many in here wanted the long ball thrown…we have a gunslinger in CP3 and everyone wants his head after throwing int’s…JC went down and my heart stopped knowing that we had Boller waiting in the wings…oh goodness…I’m glad we had Palmer instead of him, but yes!!! We gave up a lot for him and I hope he does well this year! Like I said, unless Reggie pulls something out of his arse!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Like when Rivers threw that deep ball to V Jacskon, V Jacks quit on the pass, Gio got a pick, Rivers goes bonkers, lol.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Hwnrdr-they will gladly point it out when DHB made a mistake and it caused JC to throw an int,but don’t you dare point that out when it happens to Palmer.Just like they refuse to acknowledge what Campbell looked like his 1st half a season with us.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:47 pm
Maybe you don’t understand football.When a route is a timing route and the play calls for say a 10 yd out,and the WR cuts the route off at 7 yards,the ball has an excellent chance of being intercepted.That is just one example of how a WR can cause an int.Or,the WR could fall down while the pass is perfectly thrown to where it should have been-like what happened when Ford slipped and fell against SD i believe-and it will be intercepted.
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When making quick plays Palmer makes bad decisions. That’s what the WCO is all about and that’s one of the reasons he failed horribly trying to run it at USC. The INT’s will get worse. Can you say “INT city”
“The West Coast offense requires a quarterback who throws extremely accurately, and often blindly, very close to opposing players. In addition, it requires the quarterback to be able to quickly pick the best one of 5 receivers to throw to; certainly much more quickly than in previously used systems. Often, the quarterback has no time to think about the play and must act robotically, executing the play exactly as instructed by the offensive coordinator, who calls the plays for him.”
February 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
J Hill Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Like when Rivers threw that deep ball to V Jacskon, V Jacks quit on the pass, Gio got a pick, Rivers goes bonkers, lol.
His exchange with Norv after that was funny!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Cp3 makes some bad decions. But he can get that football anywhere on the field. he can squeeze it through football sized windows.. Soup couldnt keep a deep ball in bounds. And he was made of glass.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:55 pm
Thank you,J Hill.It is nice to see there are still a few that frequent this place that have some clue about the game and how stats CAN be deceptive.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
Not defending any qb but can you really say that CP3 can’t thread balls where he is supposed to…I don’t know but I have seen quite a few. Now one point I will agree with you is that he is NOT fit for the WCO…but give it time!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:58 pm
767.Marks hair Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
Collinsworth is a dk hole.
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If you mean by popping off at the mouth then I get it.
February 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
And Collinsworth talks to darn much and Al Michaels is a tool!
February 18th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Guys
The probability and instances where there were cut offs and mis communications with Palmer where higher than JC. Why? Because Palmer just came to the team cold. That is the essential point here. I do not know how many of the 16 were due to that sort of thing but it was more than a few but probably not half of them.
The other issue is we traded a lot for Palmer. Unless some team comes and gives us at least a first or a 2nd and 3rd for him we need to use him as much of his money is guaranteed already – just like Seymour’s. However, all things being equal and I needed a win or die, I would take CP over JC although I like both of them.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
Hwnrdr-they will gladly point it out when DHB made a mistake and it caused JC to throw an int,but don’t you dare point that out when it happens to Palmer.Just like they refuse to acknowledge what Campbell looked like his 1st half a season with us.
I know…that was in my end zone….saw that pass clearly! Didn’t know that DHB was supposed to be there until JC said it in an interview after.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
I would say that if/when you are proven wrong by Palmers play this year it would be nice to hear you admit you were wrong,but I know that is something that will never happen.He could win 12 games,the division,and go to the AFC championship game and you’d be here complaining about an int. he threw in week 9.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
1960, and that win or die did happen on Jan 1st…Palmer had us in position, had the D not let Tolbert to run 40 yards from our half yard line..or amongst other games where all we needed was one stop…but still…he did do his part! Ford not slipping, it would have been interesting!
February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Mike Brown now has his Huey and Louie (Marvin), he must have a Dewy somewhere’s in the Cincy org.
Methinks El Hueness will want to call some sort of special teams trickery 10 times per game, ’cause he certainly ain’t a-gonna be helpin’ no DBs get better.
anyway, it just ups the likelihood that the Raiders are gonna play a Prime Time contest against the kitties next schedule.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Lefty
You might be surprised. Many who were so adamant about JR being so awesome and anyone who did not believe in him was some sort of racist that was hung up on black QBs tended to own up to it years later when the verdict on JR came in so to speak.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:06 pm
“The West Coast offense requires a quarterback who throws extremely accurately, and often blindly, very close to opposing players.
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Oftern blindly???
Very close to the opposing player???
Well what if the WR doesn’t get to where he is supposed to be?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
1960, and that win or die did happen on Jan 1st…Palmer had us in position, had the D not let Tolbert to run 40 yards from our half yard line..or amongst other games where all we needed was one stop…but still…he did do his part! Ford not slipping, it would have been interesting!
Agreed! I think JC or CP could have led us to the play offs if we even had a mediocre defense…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
The D has so many holes.. is reg gonna wait till the 11th hr to make some cuts?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Lefty12,
other than our great Kahuna Hwnrdr you always drive the most well-thought canoe on this blog. kudos to you.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
With you 797, 1960 Autumn Wind!
February 18th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
At least Palmer never threw an interception to Vince Wilfork!
Seriously how bad do your eyes have to be to miss that guy?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:11 pm
Jc is very solid. But he never finishes a season.. Whats his ave like 10 games a yr?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
AutumnWind,
your canoe is always in the race.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:12 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Mike Brown now has his Huey and Louie (Marvin), he must have a Dewy somewhere’s in the Cincy org.
Methinks El Hueness will want to call some sort of special teams trickery 10 times per game, ’cause he certainly ain’t a-gonna be helpin’ no DBs get better.
anyway, it just ups the likelihood that the Raiders are gonna play a Prime Time contest against the kitties next schedule.
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The Hue worked wonders for our DBs, no wonder lewie hired him, and remember that little number our Special teams coverage unit did in the SD game…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Numbers don’t lie. ‘Seymour Bush’ you must have drank that Hue Jackson “Greatest trade in football” Kool Aid. You Palmer “Overraters” on here are getting ridiculous. I don’t see how you can debate 16 INT’s in 10 games which is just a continuation of his Cinci 2010 season were he threw a boat load of INT’s also.
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Look at the numbers you posted.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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lst off Palmer has 32 more TD;s than Brooks and a much higher completion percentage. You are right, number don’t lie, but you have to be able to read them correctly.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Who can forget the great game-managing of Jason Campell, the famous “slip and fall” and fumble to the brownies, the possesion managment of throwing to Vince Wilfork instead of a fast DB, to make sure its not returned! And the LONGBALL to our fullback
February 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:14 pm
Numbers don’t lie. ‘Seymour Bush’ you must have drank that Hue Jackson “Greatest trade in football” Kool Aid. You Palmer “Overraters” on here are getting ridiculous. I don’t see how you can debate 16 INT’s in 10 games which is just a continuation of his Cinci 2010 season were he threw a boat load of INT’s also.
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Look at the numbers you posted.
Carson Palmer:
62.9%, 22694y, 154tds, 100ints, 86.9r, 4.8td%, 3.1int%
46-51 (.474), 0-2 (.000)
Aaron Brooks:
56.5%, 20261y, 123tds, 92ints, 78.5r, 4.2td%, 3.1int%
38-52(.422), 1-1 (.500)
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lst off Palmer has 32 more TD;s than Brooks and a much higher completion percentage. You are right, number don’t lie, but you have to be able to read them correctly.
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Also have to add that Palmer had a much better WR core through out his career and was with the same offense/team. Yeah, it’s more than just numbers.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
Its funny how the CP haters never bring up a replacement.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:25 pm
RaidO Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 4:54 pm
When making quick plays Palmer makes bad decisions.
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Then why did Marvin Lewis, Bob Bratkowksi, Hue Jackson and al Saunders all let him call his own plays last year if he makes bad decisions?
February 18th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
That is why I asked that…who’s it gonna be? If Reggie lets CP walk and resign JC, I’ll be happy with that, or if somehow JC is resigned knowing that he is gonna be a backup to CP, I’ll be even more esttatic…but we all know chances of that are slim to none!
February 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Also have to add that Palmer had a much better WR core through out his career and was with the same offense/team. Yeah, it’s more than just numbers.
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Then why is that great WR corp you talk about useless in New England, and no one picked up TO even tho he had 1000 yards 70+ receptions and 9 scores? Maybe teams realize those players had Palmer tossing them the rock.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Palmer may throw INTS, but that is because he isn’t scared to throw the ball like JC. Palmer is twice the QB than Campbell.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
RaidO Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
Also have to add that Palmer had a much better WR core through out his career and was with the same offense/team. Yeah, it’s more than just numbers.
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BTW, Brooks had Joe Horn who was a Pro Bowl receiver, Deuce McAllister, a Pro Bowl running back, I think Brooks had talent around him. Wrong again.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Anyways…until CP is no longer our QB, then I still find it pointless to argue over it! These days, numbers are for Fantasy players…only thing counts are wins and losses…hey, didn’t Andrew Walter win a game for us throwing for a net 16 yards? And I believe Jake Delhomme beat us with those numbers too…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:34 pm
Mark Clemens Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:31 pm
Palmer may throw INTS, but that is because he isn’t scared to throw the ball like JC. Palmer is twice the QB than Campbell.
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Exactly. The year before, Palmer was up there in INT’s, right BEHIND Eli, Drew Brees, and just ahead of Favre and Peyton. I will take any of those guys.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
RaidO is a Bronco fan.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:27 pm
That is why I asked that…who’s it gonna be? If Reggie lets CP walk and resign JC, I’ll be happy with that, or if somehow JC is resigned knowing that he is gonna be a backup to CP, I’ll be even more esttatic…but we all know chances of that are slim to none!
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NOT TO MENTION, how is JC doing in rehab, Coming back from a broken collarbone has gotta be tough either way…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
That is also true, Raidertalk!
February 18th, 2012 at 5:48 pm
Ok, other than Palmer talk…I hope Reggie finds some gems on D…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:28 pm
Also have to add that Palmer had a much better WR core through out his career and was with the same offense/team. Yeah, it’s more than just numbers.
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Then why is that great WR corp you talk about useless in New England, and no one picked up TO even tho he had 1000 yards 70+ receptions and 9 scores? Maybe teams realize those players had Palmer tossing them the rock.
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LOL, you are talking about one year.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:49 pm
You got to figure, an injury that took him out of the season, would take some time or have lingering effect. Everyone just throws JC’s name around like if he was benched for CP or something.
I haven’t seen any reports about JC throwning the rock OK after the bronken bone.
February 18th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
I read that he was trying to throw the ball at his expected time back of 6 weeks and couldn’t do it…haven’t heard much since!
February 18th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I mean…look at Peyton also…they said he couldn’t make all the throws when his doctor medically cleared him…
February 18th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
LOL, you are talking about one year.
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No, I am talking about his best target the whole time he was in Cinncy and a second pro bowl player. 85 was an All Pro when he played with Palmer and has done very little without him. TO isn’t even in the league after a pretty good season with Palmer. What does that tell you?
February 18th, 2012 at 6:01 pm
JaSoup does not exist amigos.
Gone the way of the BJHobert bird.
Comprende?
mediocre is not the new standard in Reggie Realm. 20/40 vision might’ve passed with the Schroeders and Soups and Hollases of the past, a new era is begun. the old stuff is down the drain.
CPLamonica is gonna make your downtrodden souls look in surprise as to what an actual real-life QB can do.
February 18th, 2012 at 6:02 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
LOL, you are talking about one year.
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No, I am talking about his best target the whole time he was in Cinncy and a second pro bowl player. 85 was an All Pro when he played with Palmer and has done very little without him. TO isn’t even in the league after a pretty good season with Palmer. What does that tell you?
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“85 was an All Pro when he played with Palmer and has done very little without him.”
Ocho and T.O are old and passed their prime. Next
February 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Ok, I’ll ask it again…whoare we gonna have play QB? This year with no picks and CP not ready yet…who?
February 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Sorry, TP not ready yet!
February 18th, 2012 at 6:18 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Ok, I’ll ask it again…whoare we gonna have play QB? This year with no picks and CP not ready yet…who?
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Brien must think they are going to pull him out of Coliseum Parking Lot D and start him.
February 18th, 2012 at 6:20 pm
LOL, believe it or not, Brien is pretty football saavy! His style of arguing is different I must say…
February 18th, 2012 at 6:28 pm
Anyways…be back later, Nation!
February 18th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Sorry, TP not ready yet!
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Where is this TP is not ready nonsense coming from? Sounds like you heard somebody else say on here so now you say it.
If Cam Newton and Tebow are starting QB’s in the NFL then TP is ready. Nuff said.
February 18th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Where is this TP is not ready nonsense coming from?
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Mostly from people that actually witnessed him trying to complete a pass?
February 18th, 2012 at 7:00 pm
Gdog Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Where is this TP is not ready nonsense coming from?
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Mostly from people that actually witnessed him trying to complete a pass?
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Affirmative.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:12 pm
802.1960AutumnWind Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 5:05 pm
Lefty
You might be surprised. Many who were so adamant about JR being so awesome and anyone who did not believe in him was some sort of racist that was hung up on black QBs tended to own up to it years later when the verdict on JR came in so to speak.
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White, Black, Tiger-striped, who cares: we need a QB who doesn’t speak in serial eubonics and whose bottom lip doesn’t hang down to his knee.
Pryor and Palmer need to go head to head in preseason, and let the best man win.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:20 pm
If Terrel Pryor can go head to head with Carson Palmer and even be in the equation, we hit the jackpot.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:27 pm
842. Head to head? Ok . Tp get under center and say hike.. Carson, you won…….
February 18th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Fkn Pryor doesn’t even know the rules of the game. Hopefully his only NFL snap lit a fire under his azz.
February 18th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
Yes TP with CP, head-to-head in preseason. One may say Pryor doesn’t know the rules of the game yet while another may say CP starting this year is already written.
That may be so, just Hue claimed the D line had solved its vulnerability before a preseason game was played: then we played the 49′ers who ran right through us, and also tore JC a new “you-know-what.”
In time the truth is exposed and will be again, here.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:03 pm
Gdog Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:58 pm
Where is this TP is not ready nonsense coming from?
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Mostly from people that actually witnessed him trying to complete a pass?
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You guys are clueless or bias.
Newton
2010 Auburn G=14 Cmp=185 Att=280 Comp %.66.1 Yds=2854 Yd/A=10.2 TDs=30 Int=7 Sacked=23
Pryor
2010 OhioSt G=13 Cmp=210 Att=323 Comp %65.0 Yds=2772 Yd/A=8. TDs=27 Int=11 Sacked= 19
Also in 2010 Pryor’s Passing Efficiency Rating=157.9 Ranked(10th)NCAA
You guys are clueless. He is as ready as Newton and Tebow. Stop with the blind baseless comments.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:14 pm
RO,
847, great post.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
I think we should hold off on any comments about TP or anybody until the preseason starts and we see how this team is built and how players perform. This might be a whole different team by then.
It is a bit premature to start judging who can play or is ready and who is not. Let’s wait and see how they really perform, and then make our judgement. I think that is the logical thing to do.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
850 comments on this sorryass post. Come on, man.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:31 pm
Rado, 847
Newton
2010 Auburn G=14 Cmp=185 Att=280 Comp %.66.1 Yds=2854 Yd/A=10.2 TDs=30 Int=7 Sacked=23
Pryor
2010 OhioSt G=13 Cmp=210 Att=323 Comp %65.0 Yds=2772 Yd/A=8. TDs=27 Int=11 Sacked= 19
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RadO,
I put these stats up this past weeks. Looks like you cut and pasted them. And so what? Cam Newton was ready and had a good year. Tebow sat out a year (probably shouldn’t have.) Tebow’s problem is that he can’t throw properly with his left arm and hand being crimped and artificially bent.
I am only advocating we send in Pryor in preseason. I think most people fear he will beat out CP because TP can run like hell, and CP is mortibund on the run.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:36 pm
CP is an old man, with no heart, spent like an old rifle round, is in it only for the $11M; I predict he’ll fall with a tremendous blow to the head; just like JC fell with the broken collar bone. The real difference between those two is that JC has little talent, as JC once did. It was always something with them.
CP and JC are burned out, second string trade bait and should be dropped kicked like footballs after a safety is made.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:38 pm
RaidO Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:30 pm
Hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
Sorry, TP not ready yet!
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Where is this TP is not ready nonsense coming from? Sounds like you heard somebody else say on here so now you say it.
If Cam Newton and Tebow are starting QB’s in the NFL then TP is ready. Nuff said.
Ummmm…you’re trying to attack me on this…well, ok, then lets send in TP then…then who’s his backup? I hope he’s ready and we will not know til preseason…and if he’s not…go back to question number one!!!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:39 pm
JC has little talent as CP **** once had
February 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
I think we should hold off on any comments about TP or anybody until the preseason starts and we see how this team is built and how players perform. This might be a whole different team by then.
It is a bit premature to start judging who can play or is ready and who is not. Let’s wait and see how they really perform, and then make our judgement. I think that is the logical thing to do.
Which is what I was trying to say…but I get blasted for a Pryor comment and everyone already knows that CP will suck this year…
February 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
CP will be Pryor’s back up and JC, unable to start anywhere, counter to his delusions of grandeur, will be #3.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:40 pm
EMRaiders Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:29 pm
Did I blast anyone for advocating Pryor? I think him being chosen in the draft was AL’s last brillian move.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Anyways…JFB, I know…850 comments…but…its also been quiet in Raiderland!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:43 pm
Hardline, not you…
February 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I like TP a lot, but starting him over Palmer is nutty. The kid needs to work on his throwing motion, and he needs more time to develop. The OSU is not the best place to develop QBs. We do better with RBs & Defense.
Go Buckeyes!
Go Aztecs!
Go Raiders!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
it is quiet in here, but my wife is watching a movie which I don’t care for so I am here. She did, btw, make me an rack of Australian lamb dinner, so she can have her way now.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:48 pm
Hardline Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:47 pm
it is quiet in here, but my wife is watching a movie which I don’t care for so I am here. She did, btw, make me an rack of Australian lamb dinner, so she can have her way now.
Nice!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:49 pm
Raider O Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 8:46 pm
I like TP a lot, but starting him over Palmer is nutty. The kid needs to work on his throwing motion, and he needs more time to develop. The OSU is not the best place to develop QBs. We do better with RBs & Defense.
Go Buckeyes!
Go Aztecs!
Go Raiders!
Thanks O!
February 18th, 2012 at 8:50 pm
Hwnrdr,
You know how much I like TP, but the kid is not ready. Why rush him when we can afford to wait since we have Palmer? That makes no sense to me. Pryor is under contract for 2-3 more years, so no reason to rush.
February 18th, 2012 at 8:55 pm
RO,
Btw, I understand why you like TP so much, he is young, he is big, he is fast, and he has a strong arm. The kid is a freak. I think he is better than Tebow, Ponder, & Locker.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
All those reasons have absolutely no bearing on why he wants Pryor over Palmer.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
All those reasons have absolutely no bearing on why he wants Pryor over Palmer.
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I never said i wanted Pryor over Palmer but by stating “He is not ready” is basically X’ing him out of being the QB next year. Seeing what Cam Newton has done and even Tebow TP has to be in the mix. A lot “what if’s” but if he comes anywhere in the vicinity to what Newton has done Raiders are good.
Good chance CP(tree stump) goes down next year or goes on a INT spree because of this WCO change so TP better be ready. We will all see whats up in preseason.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:56 pm
Tp needs to do well in preseason.
We need him as a backup.
If Palmer goes down TP’ll get his shot.
I hope he’s that good.
I think Palmer will kick @ss after a full training camp.
CXan’t wait for next year to start.
Looking forward to the draft and seeing how they’re going to get anyone with all of the 2012 pick giveaways.
February 21st, 2012 at 11:10 pm
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