NFL `guarantees’ are occasionally pipe dreams
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Saturday, February 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Once upon a time the Raiders traded for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who received a seven-year, $70 million contract with $24.5 million in guaranteed money.
The Raiders later cut Hall eight games into the season and paid him $8 million for his troubles.
Which brings us to Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, and the erratic way information regarding contracts is relayed in the NFL.
Wimbley was given an exclusive franchise tag about a year ago which guaranteed him approximately $11.3 million following a nine-sack season. The Raiders then renegotiated his deal to drop his salary cap number to $1.6 million. It was reported as a $48 million dollar deal with a whopping $29 million in guaranteed money.
Except Wimbley’s deal apparently wasn’t anything approaching $29 million in guaranteed money. The Raiders can get out of it by cutting him and paying him $6.5 million.
According to Adam Caplan, who has much of this contract stuff wired and was the first to report Wimbley’s situation last year, Wimbley earned $5 million last season ($4.25 million signing bonus, $750,000 salary).
This season, Wimbley’s base salary is $11 million and $6.5 million is guaranteed. Wimbley makes that amount even if he is cut. The rest of his contract ($4.5 million) is guaranteed as of March 17.
Add it up, and he earned almost $200,000 above and beyond his $11.3 million salary cap figure by agreeing to the restructure.
But as far as the Raiders owing him $29 million guaranteed, well, . . . the Raiders are off the hook for much of that figure if Wimbley is cut before March 17.
That’s a long way of saying take any “guaranteed” money with a grain of salt.
Routt’s three-year $31.5 million extension was reported as guaranteed to the tune of $20 million. Now there are reports that it was actually $15 million, with the Raiders having escaped a $5 million guarantee by cutting him what they did. A great deal for Routt, either way, he’ll get to sign another contract.
Still, contract reporting is one of the most imprecise parts of the business. That’s why you’ll see the word “reported” preceding most, if not all, contract issues that are dealt with here.
Agents are OK with overblown reports of guarantees because prospective clients will see it and figure they can get the same. Teams aren’t concerned with it because if they’re viewed as a team that pays that kind of money, what the heck? And it’s not as if players are going to step forward immediately after signing a contract and say, “You know, this isn’t nearly as big of a contract as it looks.”
So don’t reach too much into “guaranteed money” if the Raiders opt to part with Wimbley, frees safety Michael Huff ($4 million in salary, $4 million in bonus) or defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6 million in salary).
McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen could attempt to sign them for less or simply move on.
It’s hard to know what they’ve got planned for strong safety Tyvon Branch, a prospective free agent. San Diego safety Eric Weddle signed a contract last year with guaranteed money reported as high as $19 million, although it’s hard to know if it really approached that figure.
There’s a chance McKenzie, Allen and Co. may look at the defensive performance in 2011 and conclude that anyone coming in at a high price isn’t worth keeping and that those with reasonable salaries can be fitted in with low-level or street free agents and the end result couldn’t possibly be worse.
The other prominent free agent is running back Michael Bush, who if franchised would get more than $7 million.
It’s what makes this offseason the most interesting since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
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February 18th, 2012 at 9:02 pm
Go Raiders
February 18th, 2012 at 9:04 pm
2nd
February 18th, 2012 at 9:13 pm
Turd
February 18th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
Really hope RM looks at production for players in the draft / free agents!
February 18th, 2012 at 9:31 pm
Wimbley shined against the disc 3rd stringer LT however,against gaither he did nada…
The org is getting the team fiscally sound…
Wimbley can go the way of routt.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Wimbley and Kelly were two of the three top sack leaders with the Raiders, and Allen puts a premium on sacks… I doubt both will be gone… my guess is Wimbley cut, if either because 4 came against SD against a third string LT.
Cams refusal to restructure might also lead him to getting his ass hit by the door on the way out.
Huff I am torn on… he actually might be a decent CB. He is a horrible FS, IMO, but there aren’t very many FS’s available in free agency to replace him, either.
Guess we keep him to play either FS or CB.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:44 pm
Good job Jer!
February 18th, 2012 at 9:51 pm
Ill guarantee the defense is garbage in 2012. Without draft picks and not a great FA market, we’re screwed. Thinking anything else is a pipe dream. Good news is, it cant get much worse.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:52 pm
Guys who love to play football–that’s what we need.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:55 pm
And guys who love to hustle! Im sick of lazy players.
February 18th, 2012 at 9:57 pm
if they restructure ,keep em but if they refuse cut em
February 18th, 2012 at 10:04 pm
The guys that hustle include:
Branch
DHB
Ford
Wiz
j-veld
Houston
Gio
Shonasty
Moore
DMAC
Reese
Curry – the biggest reason to keep him.
Guys who don’t:
Romac
Kelly
Seymour
Boyd- hes just dumb
Satele
Routt – 1 down
There is a theme here if you haven’t caught on yet.
February 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Gdog, #6
“Huff I am torn on… he actually might be a decent CB.”
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Gdog,
The idea of converting Huff to CB is a Hue the Pimpin Magnificent pipe dream. How can that ever happen at Huff’s age? He too old to learn new tricks, even though he is next to worthless a FS. Maybe keep him this year, bring up some new talent, cut him early if he underperforms. Certainly by 2013, he needs to be gone.
February 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
We’re better keeping Boyd, Jerome Boyd, who seems to be key – in other words the straw that stirs the entire defense.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:13 pm
Well well…
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
On certain plays the pass rush was pathetic. I saw guys just standin straight up and playing paddy cake.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Wimbley got 7.5 sacks this year and was paid more than Jared Allen who got 22.5. Wimbley needs to go. We could pick up a 2nd or 3rd round pick for him, then show him the door.
Totally ridiculous, considering he got 4 of those sacks against a 3rd string QB while playing SD the 1st game.
As I have stated before there is an inverse proportion of high pay to performance. Great sackers normally last a season or two, negotitate an outlandish contract, then production takes a nosedive, forever.
Get rid of this guy !!!
February 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
16.8RaiderReign8 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
On certain plays the pass rush was pathetic. I saw guys just standin straight up and playing paddy cake.
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My favorite was seeing Giordano running like a crazy man 30 YARDS on a “blitz; making a bee-line towards Rivers.
I dare say Jamarcus Russell could’ve seen that “blitz” coming.
One of the silliest things I ever saw.
No wonder we had the worst D since the 1952 Dallas Texans.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:27 pm
14.Hardline Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
We’re better keeping Boyd, Jerome Boyd, who seems to be key – in other words the straw that stirs the entire defense.
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Tears come to my eyes; tears of joy mind you, when I see the greatness of a Jerome Boyd gracefully and effortlessly apply his craft on the gridiron.
If his bust isn’t already being prepared in Canton, then there is no such thing as justice that exists in this world.
February 18th, 2012 at 11:42 pm
Wimbley would have been a bust at pass rush this last year if you take away the San Diego game where they were down to their 3rd string OLT. Anybody rushing over there that game would have been successful at getting sacks. Overall, Wimbley was a failure for 2011. The fact that he won’t restructure tells me he’s all about himself and not the team. Time for RM to show us his skills at finding real players. As I see it, on D we need two starting OLB, 1 starting NT, 2 starting CB. On O we need 1 starting WR, 1 starting OG (in addition to resigning Heyer), 1 #2RB. That should make us respectable.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:00 am
Djohnnyg Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:22 pm
16.8RaiderReign8 Says:
February 18th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
On certain plays the pass rush was pathetic. I saw guys just standin straight up and playing paddy cake.
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My favorite was seeing Giordano running like a crazy man 30 YARDS on a “blitz; making a bee-line towards Rivers.
I dare say Jamarcus Russell could’ve seen that “blitz” coming.
One of the silliest things I ever saw.
No wonder we had the worst D since the 1952 Dallas Texans.
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Nothing beats the nickel back Blix on your 15 yard line against the Bears.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Here are some realistic target FA’s to consider:
• Jared Gaither OT
• Carl Nicks OG
• Marques Colston WR
• Marshawn Lynch RB or
• Mike Tolbert RB
• Anthony Spencer LB
• Dan Connor LB
• Aubrayo Franklin NT or
• Paul Soliai NT
• Tracy Porter CB or
• Carlos Rodgers CB
February 19th, 2012 at 12:11 am
Anyone got any cheats for Temple Run? Thanks in adavance Raider blog troopers.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:14 am
NFL `guarantees’ are occasionally pipe dreams
By Jerry McDonald – NFL Writer
Saturday, February 18th, 2012 at 8:56 pm in Oakland Raiders.
Once upon a time the Raiders traded for cornerback DeAngelo Hall, who received a seven-year, $70 million contract with $24.5 million in guaranteed money.
The Raiders later cut Hall eight games into the season and paid him $8 million for his troubles.
Which brings us to Kamerion Wimbley, Stanford Routt, and the erratic way information regarding contracts is relayed in the NFL.
Wimbley was given an exclusive franchise tag about a year ago which guaranteed him approximately $11.3 million following a nine-sack season. The Raiders then renegotiated his deal to drop his salary cap number to $1.6 million. It was reported as a $48 million dollar deal with a whopping $29 million in guaranteed money.
Except Wimbley’s deal apparently wasn’t anything approaching $29 million in guaranteed money. The Raiders can get out of it by cutting him and paying him $6.5 million.
According to Adam Caplan, who has much of this contract stuff wired and was the first to report Wimbley’s situation last year, Wimbley earned $5 million last season ($4.25 million signing bonus, $750,000 salary).
This season, Wimbley’s base salary is $11 million and $6.5 million is guaranteed. Wimbley makes that amount even if he is cut. The rest of his contract ($4.5 million) is guaranteed as of March 17.
Add it up, and he earned almost $200,000 above and beyond his $11.3 million salary cap figure by agreeing to the restructure.
But as far as the Raiders owing him $29 million guaranteed, well, . . . the Raiders are off the hook for much of that figure if Wimbley is cut before March 17.
That’s a long way of saying take any “guaranteed” money with a grain of salt.
Routt’s three-year $31.5 million extension was reported as guaranteed to the tune of $20 million. Now there are reports that it was actually $15 million, with the Raiders having escaped a $5 million guarantee by cutting him what they did. A great deal for Routt, either way, he’ll get to sign another contract.
Still, contract reporting is one of the most imprecise parts of the business. That’s why you’ll see the word “reported” preceding most, if not all, contract issues that are dealt with here.
Agents are OK with overblown reports of guarantees because prospective clients will see it and figure they can get the same. Teams aren’t concerned with it because if they’re viewed as a team that pays that kind of money, what the heck? And it’s not as if players are going to step forward immediately after signing a contract and say, “You know, this isn’t nearly as big of a contract as it looks.”
So don’t reach too much into “guaranteed money” if the Raiders opt to part with Wimbley, frees safety Michael Huff ($4 million in salary, $4 million in bonus) or defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6 million in salary).
McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen could attempt to sign them for less or simply move on.
It’s hard to know what they’ve got planned for strong safety Tyvon Branch, a prospective free agent. San Diego safety Eric Weddle signed a contract last year with guaranteed money reported as high as $19 million, although it’s hard to know if it really approached that figure.
There’s a chance McKenzie, Allen and Co. may look at the defensive performance in 2011 and conclude that anyone coming in at a high price isn’t worth keeping and that those with reasonable salaries can be fitted in with low-level or street free agents and the end result couldn’t possibly be worse.
The other prominent free agent is running back Michael Bush, who if franchised would get more than $7 million.
It’s what makes this offseason the most interesting since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
http://www.ibabuzz.com/oaklandraiders/2012/02/18/nfl-guarantees-are-occasionally-pipe-dreams/
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And smoke dreams too!
February 19th, 2012 at 12:43 am
JB,while we could use all those positions,a starting Wr isn’t necessary.We have DHB and Moore as starters with Ford and Murphy as backups.With Curry,we only need 1 LB .One of the young CBs will start-maybe both.It is also possible we go with the D-linemen we have,although a NT would be nice.Upgrades are always welcome,but we might go with what we have more than we realize.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:53 am
Lefty,
That’s a very depressing thought.
If there is ONE THING i really need to see this coming season is lots of changes on defense.
As “Jer” alluded to, really…it can’t get any worse.
Are we gonna give up 3,000 yds. rushing and 5,000 passing instead of 2 and 4?
February 19th, 2012 at 1:04 am
We were a middle of the pack defense in 2010 with these players.If our LBs were any good at all,we would still be a decent defense.Of course any upgrade would be welcome,but maybe wholesale changes aren’t what is needed.Maybe some decent coaching with multiple looks would do wonders.We must remember,at the start of last season everyone said one of our strengths was our Dline so they must be highly thought of-by people in the league,not necessarily by the experts on here.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:24 am
This raises the question how much would it cost to cut Wimbley in 2013 compared to 2012.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:33 am
Gdog,
The idea of converting Huff to CB is a Hue the Pimpin Magnificent pipe dream. How can that ever happen at Huff’s age? He too old to learn new tricks, even though he is next to worthless a FS. Maybe keep him this year, bring up some new talent, cut him early if he underperforms. Certainly by 2013, he needs to be gone.
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Huff played CB last year. How did you not notice Giordano on the field?
February 19th, 2012 at 5:01 am
first off, good article, didn’t realize ‘guaranteed’ was such a loose term.
Another point, obviously fans didn’t care about the amount of money Al threw away as it wasn’t ours. What was more important was the premium high 2nd rounder that we gave up for him which the Falcons ended up using to take Curtis Lofton, one of the best run stopping MLBs in the league (though I hear his pass coverage is lacking, something Chuck B definitely would have had him doing a lot of down the stretch).
February 19th, 2012 at 5:18 am
it appears the shopping FA/draft “to do” list is huge
Wimbley – restructure or cut – March 17
Huff – restructure, move to CB or cut
Bush – franchise?
Branch – sign
needs
NT – 3-4
rush backer for 3-4
G/C that fits ZBS
CB to replace Routt or compete with Chekwa/VanDyke
RT
SS
ILB to compete/challenge or team with McClain inside
DE to fit 3-4 or 4-3
RB – in case Bush leaves
NT FA that fits
Aubrayo Franklin NT or
Paul Soliai NT
draft? – Nicolas Jean-Baptiste, Alameda Ta’amu, Akeim Hicks, Regina
Hebron Fangupou, NT, BYU, Chingbo Anunyobi, Morehouse
Billy Winn, DT, Boise St
rush backer for 3-4
Mario Williams
Anthony Spencer (more of a run stopping guy/then pass rush)
draft? Jake Bequette, Arkansas Vinny Curry, Marshall Brandon Lindsay, Pitt
C or G
that fits ZBS
Carl Nicks
Chris Myers, Houston Texans
draft? Amini Silatolu, Midwestern St., Randy Wynn, Rutgers
WR
Marques Colston
draft? Dwight Jones, N.Carolina, Marvin McNutt, Iowa, Gerrell Robinson, Ariz. St.
CB
Brandon Carr
Tracy Porter
Cortland Finnegan
Carlos Rodgers
draft? Shaun Prater, Iowa, Leonard Johnson, Iowa St., Asa Jackson, Cal Poly, Omar Bolden, Ariz. St., Richard Golden, Arizona
(trade) Asante Samuel
RT – likely going with Joseph Barksdale,
but i’ll include
Jared Gaither – will be signed in San Diego
Adam Snyder
Sean Locklear
draft? Brandon Mosely, Auburn, Nate Potter, Boise St., Tony Bergstrom, Utah, Zebrie Sanders, Florida St., Tom Compton, S.Dakota, Ryan Miller, Colorado
SS – if Tyvon Branch cuts via FA
Michael Adams
James Sanders (Falcons)
Randy Phillips (Giants)
draft? Harrison Smith, Notre Dame, George Iloka, Boise St.
Duke Ihenacho, SJSU, Jerrell Young, FS, S.Florida, Christian Thompson, S.Carolina St.
ILB –
Dan Connor
draft? – (trade up?) Vontaze Burfect, Sam Acho, Texas, Audie Cole, N.Carolina St.
OLB
in case Q.Groves isnt signed
draft? Tyler Nielsen, Iowa (4-3), Terrell Manning, N.Carolina St. (4-3)
Sean Spence, Miami (4-3), Keenan Robinson, Texas, Chandler Jones, LB, Syracuse
DE (to fit 3-4)
draft? – Derek Wolfe, Cincinnati (3-4 or 4-3)
Brett Roy, Nevada (3-4 rush end or 4-3 rush end)
Matt Conrath, Virginia
Trevor Guyton, Cal (4-3)
Kheston Randall, Texas
RB
Marshawn Lynch
Kahlil Bell
Mike Tolbert
draft? Doug Martin, Boise St., Cyrus Gray, Texas A&M
Robert Turbin, Utah St.,
February 19th, 2012 at 5:43 am
March can’t get here soon enough! My fave time of year, free angency and March Madness!
I still can’t believe that a new era is in the making. I love Al for the team he built and we all love, but hated when he threw $ around on average players. I also couldn’t stand Al drafting although he did a decent job since the billboard incident.
Wimbley best take a paycut if he’s a team player. I hope he does, beacause we have limited draft picks and already thin at LB.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:49 am
I know most would say just go out and plug anyone in to back up Palmer, but i don’t feel that way.
If Palmer takes a shot to his knee, than we’re in the same boat we were in when we over paid for him and Boller stunk up the joint. (I like Palmer btw, just didn’t like the deal)
Now i’m not saying over pay for a good back up, cause that’s not what RM is about. I hope they do their research and not wait until preseason to bring in another scrub.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:52 am
Someone here a couple of months back guaranteed that Hue would be re-hired as an OC or HC right away if the Raiders let him go. Idiot. I told you – whoever you are – he would be at best a positions coach again. Wish I could remember which crackhead said that.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Good lord, sorry about the grammar in post 32. Ugh..i need a coffee. lol
Have a great day fellas and the ladies too!
February 19th, 2012 at 6:27 am
yo
February 19th, 2012 at 7:23 am
Looks like Routt might end up in Kansas…
February 19th, 2012 at 7:36 am
I’m all on board with the idea of cutting this team down to the bone and -from what I’m reading here- most agree. We’ve given too many debatable pro players too much money for largely terrible results. We couldn’t take down one of the worst divisions in the NFL with all the over-priced players we held. That makes it clear: make cuts and trades, bring in the junk no one wants, build a pile of cash up, “earn” a high draft spot, and build through the draft, then a few ABSOLUTELY PROVEN studs in FAs.
What I don’t get is how we’ve kept landing so many lazy guys in the last decade. You can’t have even 1 of those types playing in the NFL. Then, there’s the intelligence level of some players. The NFL is filled with athletes beyond compare, but without heart and intelligence, they’re all equal.
Again, CUT the overpaid talent. Go for a Tolbert or Lynch who’ve shown they can run and will come fairly priced. Keep Palmer -ONLY because we’ve given too much to dump him. I like McFadden a ton, but if I were the Raiders owner/coach/management, I’d trade him in a second. What good does a Stud do whose never able to stay on the field? He’s progressed a lot since his rookie year and is a total game-breaker but he’s fragile. See ya! I’d like to Spencer and maybe Conner on our D, if the price is right.
if NOTHING else comes of the next few years, I think it’s clear that the Raiders are going to stop giving away cash and deals for quick pay-offs, reaches in the draft will go away (OH please go away) and you’ll see many more capable, smart, and gutty guys taking the field. (It’s just going to be soooo painful waiting for this to happen.)
February 19th, 2012 at 7:41 am
Jerry,
Thanks for putting up some facts about the Wimbley contract. It is appreciated. It would be good to know what happens if Wimbley is given his 6.5 mil bonues, is the rest of the 29 mil then guaranteed, or is it the same next year. It would also be really good to know such details about McClain and others with big contracts.
Where does Adam Caplan get this info, it is special to him or possible for others to get it without waiting for him to post on twitter or something.
February 19th, 2012 at 8:43 am
Any word on the new proposed stadium? this is driving me crazy.. The Winers will have there “Purse” open for the start of the 2014 season..Wow!
February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Cut Wimbley.
The guy is great when he smells blood in the water, but he doesn’t create any blood in the water.
He disappears for long stretchs rushing the passer, and is dreadful in coverage and in run support.
Al’s last truly horrendous contract.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Re #40.
The Raiders will move to San Jose and play in the new football stadium with San Jose State. Eat your heart out 49er fan.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Wimbley is not worth that huge contract, but he is still our best pass rusher. He can play OLB & DE, so he fits in a 4-3 & 3-4 defense. I don’t think we will cut him.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:34 am
The more I think about it the less I feel the defensive roster needs to be torn up.
I think fans vastly underrate TK and Seymour. I think Wimbley and Curry can play at a high level. Love Shaughnessy. Think Mike Huff is capable of great things as he showed in college and in 2010 under Marshall (he was hurt most of 2011). Branch was very good in 2011.
Here’s what we need to focus on:
- I definitely wouldn’t mind replacing RoMac. If they can’t find a great replacement and want to give him another year in a new system I’m OK with it. But at this point I wouldn’t be sad if they said bon voyage right now.
- We need another edge rusher. Top tier ones are hard to come by, so if that’s not possible a speed rush specialist like Chris Clemons was for us several years ago would be acceptable. There’s also the chance Trevor Scott could have a bounceback year. He was Mr. Invisible in 2011, but he was coming off a torn up knee. It often takes two years for guys to come back from that.
- We need legitimate corners. Routt was clearly our best CB, but he was overpaid. Chekwa and DVD have a lot of potential, IMO. I actually think DVD could be great if he improves his ball skills. Good length and a very fast and fluid guy. A healthy CJ and Lito are serviceable, but that’s a bit of a ragtag unit right now.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I love Al Davis and despite the rough stretch I believe he could still evaluate talent to the very end, but it’s tough to grade the players on this unit given the vanilla schemes we’ve been running forever that today’s sophisticated offenses can exploit.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:41 am
This was a geat post jerry. Some fans and reporters just cant wrap there heads around the cap or the difference between salary and guaranteed money.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
McKenzie and Allen are in a tough, unusual situation with the offense being near playoff caliber and the defense being a complete disaster. I suspect wholesale defensive changes through draft and free agency.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I love Al Davis and despite the rough stretch I believe he could still evaluate talent to the very end, but it’s tough to grade the players on this unit given the vanilla schemes we’ve been running forever that today’s sophisticated offenses can exploit.
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I think your view is not shared by many, including the new front office.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:44 am
39. Romac gets less than a mil this yr. He gets one more yr to improve
February 19th, 2012 at 9:49 am
I hope this puts all the we cant afford new FAs to bed.. As ive been saying the cap in the nfl is soft and pliable.. Soliai, porter & carr we’ve got your lockers and a parking spaces ready
February 19th, 2012 at 9:51 am
I just want everyone to know that the words expressed by my hair on this blog are not necessarily endorsed by my brain.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:52 am
Man, do I dislike disagreeing with any Raider fan, but Chris in NY, I’m not with you entirely on the AL comment. Could AL find some gems in places others couldn’t or (more likely) wouldn’t go because reaches that don’t pay off mean getting canned, yes? The continual problem was that AL REACHED for these guys all the time.
Seabass. Great kicker? Yep, mostly. But why take him round one when it could have happened round 3.
J Russell. That’s all AL and we know how that went.
Mike Mitchell. Could have been had in 6th easily. AL reached and we see a guy who couldn’t play first string, has been hurt a lot, and maybe can develop.
Mike Huff was a #7 pick. He should be a dead on super stud with leadership ability and consistency at that spot. He’s not. Flashes only. Flashes don’t make teams win.
The list goes on of course and yes -again- he could strike gold in come places, but mostly AL was a gambler. he bet too many long-shots too early and too often.
As much as it pains me to write, we’re going to get better because the wild reaches and long-shots are going to end. We’ll be more like the rest in the NFL for better and worse, but mostly the better.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:53 am
Man, do I dislike disagreeing with any Raider fan, but Chris in NY, I’m not with you entirely on the AL comment. Could AL find some gems in places others couldn’t or (more likely) wouldn’t go and because reaches that don’t pay off mean getting canned? Well, yes. But the continual problem was that AL REACHED for these guys all the time.
Seabass. Great kicker? Yep, mostly. But why take him round one when it could have happened round 3.
J Russell. That’s all AL and we know how that went.
Mike Mitchell. Could have been had in 6th easily. AL reached and we see a guy who couldn’t play first string, has been hurt a lot, and maybe can develop.
Mike Huff was a #7 pick. He should be a dead on super stud with leadership ability and consistency at that spot. He’s not. Flashes only. Flashes don’t make teams win.
The list goes on of course and yes -again- he could strike gold in come places, but mostly AL was a gambler. he bet too many long-shots too early and too often.
As much as it pains me to write, we’re going to get better because the wild reaches and long-shots are going to end. We’ll be more like the rest in the NFL for better and worse, but mostly the better.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:01 am
It’s a great morning to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Free Agents?? Here’s my updated limited menu to pick from…they’re mostly in the “more-affordable” category for this year’s crop of FA’s.
There are a few glaring exceptions on the list, though, like RB MForte and DE MWilliams, who are more pipe dreams than anything else…and either would take mega-financial/personnel gymnastics to make happen. The competition for those CB’$ could be crazy, too.
I still say Mario W is going to make as much in his next 2-years, as the other 3 D-linemen I have on the list with him will, combined, in the same time frame.
Adding any one of the FA’s listed below, will instantly improve that position group on the Raiders…and if we somehow find a way to add more than one of these guys, without gutting the Team first, it’ll be a great off-season:
WR Pierre Garcon
WR Mario Manningham
WR Brandon Lloyd
WR Reggie Wayne
RB Matt Forte
RB LeGarrette Blount
RB Marshawn Lynch
OG Ben Grubbs
OG Carl Nicks
QB Jason Campbell
QB Kyle Orton
QB Rex Grossman?
CB Brandon Carr
CB Cortland Finnegan
CB Tracy Porter
DT Red Bryant
NT Paul Soliai
DE Mario Williams
DE Cliff Avril
LB Stephen Tulloch
LB Antwan Applewhite
LB Jordan Senn
February 19th, 2012 at 10:13 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:36 am
I love Al Davis and despite the rough stretch I believe he could still evaluate talent to the very end, but it’s tough to grade the players on this unit given the vanilla schemes we’ve been running forever that today’s sophisticated offenses can exploit.
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True. Plus we have a mish mosh of players all of which would be better in different schemes. McClain is a perfect example. A 6′3″ 255lb MLB is really not a fit. Of course Urlacher did it but Urlacher is going to the Hall of Fame. You want a smaller faster MLB in a even scheme. Hopefully Dennis Allen and RM can get this all sorted out quickly.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I don’t want a smaller MLB…I want a faster one though, with explosive bursts of violence. On the field.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Kamerion Wimbley was in the Top 10 when it came to Pass-Rushing productivity last year.
People keep saying he could only get sacks vs San Diego’s third stringer but everyone should know by now that sacks don’t tell the whole story.
Take a look at this article from people who actually analyze data and sort out players production after grading each snap.
“The sack stat.
Also known as the bane of my existence.
Every day I get emails or tweets where someone references how many sacks a player has as the sole reason why they deserve recognition.
It’s like a sack is the only way a pass rusher can impact a game, forgetting how pressure also impacts the decision-making and accuracy of a quarterback.
Now pressure doesn’t guarantee a negative play like a sack, but look at it this way: Aaron Rodgers completes 76.1% of passes when he isn’t pressured and completes “just” 54.4% when he is.
It’s a universal truth for all QBs that getting pressured makes them far more inaccurate.
So we devised our own pass rushing formula back after the 2008 season.
Given that we are the only people to break down how many times a player rushes the passer we felt the best way of figure out the most productive pass rusher was to use that data, along with our sacks, hits and hurries counts, to give us a magical figure known as Pass Rushing Productivity.
The Most Productive 25 Pass Rushers
1 Carlos Dunlap CIN.
2 Von Miller DEN.
3 Trent Cole PHI.
4 Cameron Wake MIA.
5 Chris Long SL.
6 Kamerion Wimbley OAK.
7 Brian Orakpo WAS.
8 Jason Babin PHI.
9 Clay Matthews GB.
10 Aldon Smith SF.
11 Demarcus Ware DAL.
12 John Abraham ATL.
13 Chris Clemons SEA.
14 Antonio D. Smith HOU.
15 Clark Haggans ARI.
16 Andre Carter NE.
17 Dwight Freeney IND.
18 Ryan Kerrigan WAS.
19 Osi Umenyiora NYG.
20 Tamba Hali KC.
21 Robert Quinn SL.
22 Cliff Avril DET.
23 Adrian Clayborn TB.
24 Terrell Suggs BAL.
25 Rob Ninkovich NE.
From profootballfocus.com
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Now is Wimbley overpaid?.
Of course he is, but he’s a guy that actually produces, he’s not paid to get sacks, he’s paid to ut pressure on the QB and so far he’s done it, as stats prove it.
They guy is owed 6.5 million next year, you can cut him but you’d still have to pay him that figure, or you keep him and throw 4.5 more million.
So, stop considering those 6.5 million, that money is in Wimbley’s pocket already and it doesn’t matter if he plays for the Raiders or not, might as well keep him around.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Urlacher is also super fast, athletic, has good instincts and plays his azz off. Don’t think any of that applies to RoMac.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
If D.A. and Tarver can get McClain in the right position to make a play (his biggest problem), his lack of explosiveness will be ameliorated. However…if they can’t get McClain to hit with more passion, he’ll be a total waste of potential.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Chris in NY Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Urlacher is also super fast, athletic, has good instincts and plays his azz off. Don’t think any of that applies to RoMac.
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So very true. Unfortunately.
With regards to Wimbley, Marley is right. Basically it is going to cost the team 4.5mm to play him. That is a no brainer. With another pass rusher, say Calais Campbell, teams can’t concentrate on Wimbley which would make him even that much more effective.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:30 am
I think Allen and Tarver can turn Rolando into a Pro Bowler.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Jerry,
Excellent piece of reporting! That’s what I’m talking’ about.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
57. If wimbley gets cut, it will be because of all the remaining $$ on his deal, not just 4.5..
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
By the way, those numbers come from evaluating 324 snaps where Wimbley rushed the passer, not just a game or two.
Now guys like Matthews, Ware, Suggs are listed below Wimbley but it obviously doesn’t mean he’s better tha them, those other guys face more double teams than Wimbley, but not as much as one would think since they move around a lot before the snap while looking for the best matchup to exploit and to avoid double teaming.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
RRS ..
GO KNICKS!!!!
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I should not have brought up Urlacher to compare to McClain. In a league FILLED with ridiculous super freaks of nature, Urlacher is a freak among freaks. The dude played safety in college and returned punts for crissakes. Rarely do you ever see guys move up to the front ranks from the back ranks. It’s normally the other way because guys in the league are so big.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:33 am
I’d like to jump on that raft you’re floating on, Mark Clemens.
So far, Rolando’s just another rich “kid” more interested in wasting away his prime years, than he is in playing football because he loves the game.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Any relation to Samuel?
February 19th, 2012 at 10:35 am
I was really hoping wimbley would redo that ugly deal. I like his game.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Now guys like Matthews, Ware, Suggs are listed below Wimbley but it obviously doesn’t mean he’s better tha them, those other guys face more double teams than Wimbley, but not as much as one would think since they move around a lot before the snap while looking for the best matchup to exploit and to avoid double teaming.
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Again, that is the value of Kelly and Richard Seymour. You can’t double everyone. One more stud on the dline, with Shaughnessy coming back basically should seal the deal as far as making the defensive unit top notch.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
- I definitely wouldn’t mind replacing RoMac. If they can’t find a great replacement and want to give him another year in a new system I’m OK with it. But at this point I wouldn’t be sad if they said bon voyage right now.
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Agreed with every other part of your post.
Why give up on a 1st rd draft pick after only 2 years?
As a late as the Detroit game, the guy is hustling back to cover Megatron in a cover 2 zone drop.
Played A LOT of games injured last year. TOOK the shot that a lot of folks give DMac crap for not taking.
Ok, he made a boneheaded move with the gun thing.
Not cutting him.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Mark’s Hair — Just whose hair are you — Mark Davis’ or Mark Clemens’? It could affect how we view your opinions, you know.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I doubt we’ll see another Brian Urlacher in a while, 6′4 258 smart, fast and strong, good in coverage, nice tackler and a big play-maker, sacks, int’s, fumbles, short yaradgae stops, that guy did it all.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:41 am
You certainly don’t cut mcClain, but there better be some improvement this year or you bench him. Bring in Grant from SF.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:42 am
The Most Productive 25 Pass Rushers
1 Carlos Dunlap CIN.
2 Von Miller DEN.
3 Trent Cole PHI.
4 Cameron Wake MIA.
5 Chris Long SL.
6 Kamerion Wimbley OAK.
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JFB doesn’t trust Profootballfocus’s numbers on Wimbley.
He trusts them on every other evaluation though, lol.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Is s.nasty really that great? I know he’s solid, but it seems like his legend has gotten pretty big..
February 19th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Maybe JFB should put together his own research, you know grab the tape of every game and chart Wimbley’s every snap.
I’d trust JFB.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
JB Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:03 am
Here are some realistic target FA’s to consider:
• Jared Gaither OT
• Carl Nicks OG
• Marques Colston WR
• Marshawn Lynch RB or
• Mike Tolbert RB
• Anthony Spencer LB
• Dan Connor LB
• Aubrayo Franklin NT or
• Paul Soliai NT
• Tracy Porter CB or
• Carlos Rodgers CB
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Texans C Chris Myers would allow Wiz to stay at LG. He is a ZBS BEAST! Barks at RG, and sign a FA RT, and draft a RT.
If we do this we will have the best O-Line(regardless of playing much ZBS)!
February 19th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Who the h is mark clemens?
February 19th, 2012 at 10:47 am
Shaughnessy could be the Defense’s DMC…tons of potential, and moments of brilliance…waiting to prove he’s healthy (and he’ll stay that way) again.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
78. Good call. Keeping wiz at lg. Gives us a great back up c. without having to waste a roster spot on a guy who can only play c. Or a weak center/guard..
February 19th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Those overpaid players on defense have done nothing for several years now. Gettin top shelf money and not a one of those “players” could make ONE play.
Cut anyone on that defense getting over $3MM. Keep Branch, Shaughnessy, Bryant and Houston. The rest can kick rocks.
Players make plays and there were PLENTY of oppprtunities for those guys to make a play.
Foundation of the Defense is condemned…stop worrying about whether to keep a few fixtures!
Clean this HOUSE Reggie!
February 19th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Oh here comes SnB and his cut everyone, we’ll just “find” better players out on the street, you know since there aren’t 31 other teams competing for the same pool of available players.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I wouldn’t consider Colston THAT realistic as a FA for the Raiders. He’ll likely get the most money of all the WR’s on the market.
I’d rather aim for “bargains,” who can catch just as well as Colston (or better). Guys like Manningham and Reggie Wayne won’t command the same price as Colston, but they would significantly upgrade our WR corps. Spend the savings on the Defense and our yet-to-sign RB, whomever he may be.
February 19th, 2012 at 10:55 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
Cut anyone on that defense getting over $3MM. Keep Branch, Shaughnessy, Bryant and Houston. The rest can kick rocks.
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So what’s your plan dude?.
“Cleaning house” and waiting 2 or 3 years to see if those new players can actually play? and then make a run…
February 19th, 2012 at 10:56 am
I think if we cut all of the whack deals, and rework 1 or 2..cp3.. That we’ll find the money to get the guys we need on D. Its gonna be a fun offseason..
February 19th, 2012 at 10:59 am
Porter became a nice player under Allen.. Id think he’s our first signing.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:00 am
Marley, the Raiders can get ther same production from young hungry guys. These guys lack hustle, smarts and discipline
Let em go.
Al davis put a lot of trust in these guys and they NEVER stepped up for him. They took Al’s check and trust and cashed it. And that’s where it ends
Break the league record for penalties with all those vets?
Raider Nation deserves better.
Already have Routt checked off, just checking the post waiting for Wimbley or kelly’s name to come across. They can go steal from another team
February 19th, 2012 at 11:01 am
Forget Colston.
Nice player but always seems to be questionable with some sort of nagging injury and he might be the product of the Saints extremely pass-friendly offense, I’m not certain he can be a traditional # 1 for a more tradituonal offense.
Let DHB, Moore, Ford and Murphy play.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:03 am
You dont pay big $$ to 29yr old wrs.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Don’t know why peeps keep on talking about picking up a FA WR…..we got other needs that need attention!!!
Our WR group is good enough….
February 19th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Id wait untill the wrs are picked over, and if theres a great set of hands left ill take um. If not, sfw. We have a nice core.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:08 am
No way should we cut & gut.
RELOAD, do not rebuild.
This team is average to above-average as it stands right now…even with a patchwork Defensive backfield and porous front-7. With all the disasters we dealt with last year, and question marks this year.
The League is filled with question marks. Different teams improve every year…and different teams find just the right ingredient/s to make great things happen. From 8-8 to 10-6, and better, is possible with proper coaching, attention to detail by all, and Player dedication. I think D. Allen brings it out.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:09 am
These guys lack hustle, smarts and discipline
just checking the post waiting for Wimbley or kelly’s name to come across.
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So Wimbley and Kelly don’t hustle and are dumb???
Kelly didn’t do exactly what was asked of him as a penetrating DT?
Did you see the post earlier noting Wimbley production as a pass rusher?
We can just find a young hungry guy to replace Wimbley’s production? Anyone in mind?
We have a lot of depth on the Dline at TKs spot, so it wouldn’t surprise me to see him traded if we go to the 3-4.
I doubt the Raiders think so lowly of him that they will just cut him though.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
Marley, the Raiders can get ther same production from young hungry guys. These guys lack hustle, smarts and discipline
Let em go.
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SnB.
There’s this thing called talent, most of our players have it and it can’t always be replaced with hustle and effort.
These players on D have been subject to the incompetent coaching of Rob Ryan, Marshall (not as incompetent, but far from a mastermind) and Chuck Bresnahan most of their careers, Al Davis just could not get it right over there.
I’d wait and see what Dennis Allen and Jason Tarver come up with in terms of scheme and how they plan to take advantage of what those players can do best before firing everyone on the roster.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Dhb almost got 1000yds. Fords a nice fit in the slot. And I think we all know that d-wow will set the world on fire next yr. This offense is great for him.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
I thought everyone agreed that the Raiders defense just needed to get rid of the “big plays”?
That’s maybe 4 or 5 plays per game outta how many?
Do the guys get any credit for the other plays where they are doing what is expected?
February 19th, 2012 at 11:11 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Any relation to Samuel?
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Obviously, duh!
February 19th, 2012 at 11:15 am
I dont think we’ll be able to trade our defenders. The other teams know about mar17 and they will just wait us out. But the guys we cut will get signed to proper contracts immediately.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:19 am
97. No not really. Worst defense in history.. It kind of kills my urge to pat them on the back for the plays the didnt fk up..
February 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
Ray — I don’t want a WR corps that is “good enough”…I want a GREAT WR unit.
A great set of hands, on a wily veteran who knows how to get open, makes all of our WR’s that much better. Imagine how good (and open) the young guys will be if opposing Defenses are confounded by the guy they can’t keep from getting open from in slot. Imagine having a Hoosyermama in there when he could still catch 60-70 balls…only a better one.
If we get a chance to add a WR with great hands (who can still get open) this year, we MUST do it. Carson Palmer agrees, I’m sure.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:20 am
“What I don’t get is how we’ve kept landing so many lazy guys in the last decade. You can’t have even 1 of those types playing in the NFL. Then, there’s the intelligence level of some players. The NFL is filled with athletes beyond compare, but without heart and intelligence, they’re all equal.”
We “kept landing” them because Al Davis was awe-struck by sheer athleticism, including speed and strength.
Recall his famous “God, I luv playahs” remark on one of those old tapes from the 60s? He meant it. For whatever psychological reason, Al must have figured that if he himself couldn’t be those warriors, those speedy, strong men of action, he’d be the next best thing, the guy who “owned” them.
For years, the NFL was not the place warriors went to get rich for life. They played for many reasons: because it was a childhood love affair with the sport, because it was the only thing they did very well; because they were men of brawn, not brains; because they enjoyed the camaraderie of it all, etc. As a youngster, I recall that almost all NFL players used their “notoriety” in the game locally to parlay that name into other venues. In the Bay Area, for example, I recall the great Forty Niner lineman, Leo Nomellini, from Stockton, who made extra dough each off season wrestling, and who, with his brothers, I believe, had some other business pursuits that prominantly featured his name, automobile sales, maybe? Hall of Famer Colt Gino Marchetti opened a string of burger franchises.
These guys played ball for different reasons than many play today, understandably. What Al seemed to refuse to accept is that there existed men who played the game who didn’t love it as players in the past loved it. I don’t understand why he didn’t get that. After all, if you have been a great athlete since upper elementary school, if you had been offered a free ride to a college, if in college your athleticism gets you noticed by the pros, you’d be a fool, if you’ve not the smarts to do something else with your life, to not pursue the dollars that going in the first two rounds of the draft can get you. Even if you fail to last, your name recognition in your home town will get you something financially if you play your cards right.
Thus, there are many players who don’t love the game. Or maybe it’s fairer to say they don’t love the COST of the game–the debilitating injuries not just to body, but to the head, injuries that will affect their lives forever.
Why Al didn’t understand that the modern football player had to have more than speed, agility, strength in order to be exceptional (exceptional is what one expects of a first round draft choice) was simply his inability to accept that guys with such attributes don’t necessarily love the game or love competing.
The other think Al failed to understand is that a football team needs a handful of leaders as players, even if those leaders were not among the most physically gifted. He wasn’t able to accept that, I think, because he viewed himself as the leader. ONce in a while, he got lucky. Leaders come with different styles, different personalities but you DO need vocal guys in a leadership role. Gannon was a leader. Villapiano was a leader.
When Al drafted, he overlooked the leadership potential of players and the competitive fire of players. For a guy who knew football, I don’t think he knew people.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Look, we’re not getting soliai and porter for free. The moneys got to come from the overpaid guys..
February 19th, 2012 at 11:26 am
102. I wont read posts longer than jerrys..
February 19th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Vet WR we need = Donald Driver.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:33 am
“When Al drafted, he overlooked the leadership potential of players and the competitive fire of players. For a guy who knew football, I don’t think he knew people.”
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That’s not quite right there, Marv — Al didn’t overlook those things…he miscalculated on those things.
Who’da thunk the QB of one of the Nation’s biggest football programs, one of the highest-rated players to come out in the draft, would have the ambition, and speed, of a slug?
Who’da thunk the MLB captain of the Defense would be willing to sacrifice his career, and his Team’s season, acting on hometown tough-guy gang bang fantasies?
These are examples of young players who were expected to perform, and behave, better. Their respective character wasn’t overlooked…it was simply misjudged.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:37 am
I’ll agree with you here, though, Marv — Al not being able to judge his signees’ character before throwing away so much money cost us years. He knew it too, sadly, as the years ran out on him.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:38 am
acting on hometown tough-guy gang bang fantasies?
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Why do folks keep saying McClain and gang banger???
The incident was with a friend of his who he thougt stole something not some cross time rival.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Prior to the incident with his former friend, the only other incident I recall with McClain is someone shooting at his SUV his rookie year.
Where is all this McClain is a thug propoganda coming from?
February 19th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I’d love Donald Driver a few years ago…not now though. If we go old, I’d rather go with Reggie Wayne. I’d prefer to go younger, though. I think Manningham and Brandon Lloyd would be great for the price.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:47 am
J — Threatening with a firearm is one of the gang banger’s favorite plays…especially if he’s a wannabe tough guy.
I’m not saying McClain’s a gang banger…but, I can picture his act, right off of a CSI episode. That’s why I said “fantasy.” Nobody here really believes McClain’s that tough guy.
He acted like a thug, that’s where the propaganda came from. I’d like him to prove the image wrong.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Mark C — What would make it obvious that you are related to one Samuel Clemens? The name? It’s so common, yours could’ve come from anywhere. Duh.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:54 am
“Prior to the incident with his former friend, the only other incident I recall with McClain is someone shooting at his SUV his rookie year.”
It only takes one such “incident” to tell me this guy doesn’t live like the typical, law-abiding American male his age.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:55 am
104: No one expects you to, you sarcastic idiot.
February 19th, 2012 at 11:59 am
“The incident was with a friend of his who he thougt stole something not some cross time rival.”
How does one explain the picture? That was “posing” and posing when one has been arrested is a typical trait of the gangsta or simply thug culture.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
WR is the lowest priority in the draft or FA. The issue last year were the injuries. Cross your fingers Moore, Ford stay healthy. DHB is actually more of a possession receiver. His best routes are the 10-15 yard out or the 10-15 yard curl. His hands are still very suspect. Moore and Ford are legitimate NFL wide receivers who can catch the ball with their hands and are legitimate deep threats over the middle or down the sidelines.
The draft and FA should be on defense. It was more than the D giving up the big play. There were some ugly: Denver game in which they gave up 27 straight points, the pathetic performance v. Miami, the two gutless games v. Detroit and San Diego, the Green Bay debacle. Their was a post about that said the new HC can make McClain is proven MLB. The only person who can make McClain legit is himself. Based upon past performances that appears to be slim and none(and you know the rest of the saying). The focus should be CB, safety, LB, and DL if Kelly, Wimbley, Scott are cut.
Our best players for the past 3-4 years have been Seabass and Lechler, hands down. Go get ‘um Reggie.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
So you’re gonna cut KW to save 4.5M ?
Brilliant.
The Raids best pass rusher.
Don’t g a s if 3 of his sacks came in one game against a turd. Point is – they came – and were a key factor in winning that game.
Also seem to remember KW rumbling and nearly scoring against the Bears.
Plenty of pressures and hurries.
Guy hustles, plays hard. Is in shape. Well spoken, intelligent. Still relatively young. Fast.
One of the only difference makers on defense.
Is there room for improvement in his game ? Is he overpaid ? Heck, yeah.
I’ll take KW on my team. And I wouldn’t be so quick to believe he’s not amenable to a restructure. It’s called negotiating.
Keep KW.
DUMP SLOWLANDO.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
We can just find a young hungry guy to replace Wimbley’s production? Anyone in mind?
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Cliff Avril, Michael Bennett,Jeremy Mincey, Anthony Spencer, Erin Henderson, Manny Lawson, Philip Wheeler… oh, and of course Super Mario was playing as a 3-4 LB before he got injured….
February 19th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Mario Nicks Wayne and Petting are the only free agents I hope Reggie signs. I do think the Raiders will sign a record number of udfas.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
No Lo Says:
WR is the lowest priority in the draft or FA. The issue last year were the injuries. Cross your fingers Moore, Ford stay healthy. DHB is actually more of a possession receiver. His best routes are the 10-15 yard out or the 10-15 yard curl. His hands are still very suspect.
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You contradict yourself a few times here, No Lo –
The lowest priority in the draft/Free Agency is WR? But it has a problem with injuries?? We need as strong a WR corps as possible…and that could be had with the addition of one mid-priced Free Agent. The rotation of capable receivers would be tough to keep up with. Then, when we go 4-wide it would be exciting with possibilities, and not a question mark, with questionable #4-6 WR’s filling in (depending on those injuries).
DHB is more of a possession receiver…but he has questionable hands?? DHB had fewer drops last year than a few other notable WR’s…and he caught nearly all balls thrown to him in pressure situations. His suspect hands might not look smooth to us, but he’s more comfortable catching the ball…and that’s the most important thing of all.
Our WR’s look pretty good…but they don’t look great. BUILD on a team strength…we don’t have too many of them, and we can easily do it.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
G — The problem with cutting Kam and adding any of those players you mention: they all will require a signing bonus and salary sure to compete with, or out-do the deal Wimbley has. Why change the Player just for change’s sake?
I’d like to pick up at least one of the better D-linemen available in Free Agency…but not necessarily to replace Wimbley.
I want to AUGMENT the current Raiders roster…I don’t want it sliced and diced to the bone.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Cluff Avril would be a good pick up especially since our new DL coach is his old college coach. Also need to pick up a FA CB like finnegan porter or grimes
February 19th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Cliff*
February 19th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Lunch!
later
February 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
J Hill, 108, 109
J,
I don’t think McClain is so much a thug as a sub-moron. The guy is just not too bright. To install him as Captain of the D is just ridiculous and what is more asinine is whatching Hue the Pimpin Magnificent gush and squeeze cream pies all over himself in praise of that big flop.
Let’s put it this way: McClain should have been no where near the scene of the ghetto gunplay incident considering he was endangering a $23M personal services contract, voidable under a morals clause.
Also, McClain had the unmitigated audacity to disrespect his fans and reject interviews with the press claiming he would never hold interview again, until 3 days later he interviewed and told the interviewer he (McClain) was playing great since the “incident” – his mother told him so.
Most telling, McClain is a wash out on the field with his slowness and inability to cover, tackle, take the proper angles, or stop the run.
Worse yet was the blue striped horizontal shirt he was wearing when he posed for the camera on scene at the “incident”, truly makes him look like a circus clown and not the captain of the defense of one of the most storied franchises in NFL history.
Dump Slowlando!
February 19th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
watching *** Hue
February 19th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
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Why change the Player just for change’s sake?
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His refusal to restructure is one reason. No player on that horrid defense from last year should be refusing anything to the Raiders.
February 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
100-How can we be the worst defense in history when we were #27 against the pass and the run and #29 in points allowed?Since there are 32 teams,wouldn’t that mean there were teams worse than us this past season?
February 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
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February 19th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
Bob Marley,good article earlier on Wimbley.I’ve been of the mind he should go,but I’ve changed my mind.Hopefully the new coaching staff can put him into positions so his weaknesses(pass coverage,containing the run) won’t be so exploited.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
47.ohioraider Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 9:42 am
McKenzie and Allen are in a tough, unusual situation with the offense being near playoff caliber and the defense being a complete disaster. I suspect wholesale defensive changes through draft and free agency.
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I agree, except I think the offense is not NEAR playoff caliber I think it definitely IS.
If the defense didn’t choke away at least TWO GAMES and more likely FOUR the Raiders would’ve been in the playoffs, so that makes them playoff caliber.
That pathetic defense? OMG.
All I ASK is ofr a modest leap to top 20. Maybe 18th ranked, and if the offense pretty much stays the same? We’re in.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
100-How can we be the worst defense in history when we were #27 against the pass and the run and #29 in points allowed?Since there are 32 teams,wouldn’t that mean there were teams worse than us this past season?
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Do they have stats for giving up leads and 95 yard drives??
For never making any plays when needed?
For stupid penalties at the worst times?
There were a lot of intangible “suckiness” factors last year.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Sounds like a personal thing against McClain than anything on the field related.
You can’t in one breath say the Raiders D scheme was bad under Al Davis, and Chuck B was a bad DC AND also claim the players were terrible.
Agree with the comment made earlier that let’s see what these players can do in a scheme where Allen and Tarver will have them doing what they do best and then make some judgements.
I trust that the new regime is going over film as we speak of guys they believe can help them win games. Whoever makes the cut, I’m rolling with them 100%.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
Re 120. Thanks for your response. I accept and see your point but I disagree and stand by my analysis. The Raiders don’t have the luxury to build on the strength of the WR corp due to the glaring deficiencies on defense. Here comes the proverbial hypothetical. If the Raiders could sign 2 playmaker free agents who could come in and start now and the positions were WR, CB, LB, I go CB and LB. My point was the priority must be defense.
As true Raiders fans, we agree to disagree.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
Gdog-certainly we sucked,but to say we were the worst defense in history isn’t true especially since there were teams worse than us this year.We did commit the most penalties in modern history,but many of those were on the offense.
February 19th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:26 am
102. I wont read posts longer than jerrys..
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Dude, that’s your loss. Very compelling post. I must say I get a kick out of the posts that fixate on players and schemes, when by far the most interesting/least understood component of the entire franchise is how Al Davis nearly destroyed the very thing he loved. Bit by bit, we’re getting clues, and most of what we’ll learn is by watching how McKenzie changes everything, beginning with the culture. You posters who year in and year out kept thinking that it was all about the talent never understood that the dysfunctional culture, Al’s leadership by cult of personality, made it a hard place for any kind of talent to be nurtured. I’m fascinated by this because it truly was a train wreck.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Marley Bob Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Kamerion Wimbley was in the Top 10 when it came to Pass-Rushing productivity last year.
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Wow! “rushing Productivity” what a concept! Look at how Wimbley’s great “pressure” on the QB disrupted all those passes especially toward the end of the season.
You sight some crazy measure of rushing productivity, then completely OMIT his TOTAL liability in the pass coverage. His liability in coverage cost us more games than all of his great pressures on the QB.
Where watching the games that I was, with QBs having ALL GOT DAMN DAY to throw to wide-open WRS???
MAYBE, MAYBE WIMBLEY is worth it if he converts to end. BUT A LB NEEDS TO COVER.
4.5 million may or may not be worth it for a pass “pressuring” DE but NOT a LB who cannot cover
February 19th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
Who should be Wimbley’s replacement? Right now we need an LB that can actually COVER someone on Defense. REGARDLESS of whether we keep or cut Wimbley, we still have the same need.
Maybe the argument for Wimbley’s replacement makes sense if you are talking about DE depth
February 19th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
I can’t get it out of my head the Denver game where Wimbley play after play tried to sack Tebow only to have him take off down the field for large gains or TDs.
I mean, I bet he fell for it 5 straight times with no adjustment.
Not exactly the sharpest tool in the shed… but with Allen putting such a premium on sacks, I bet he stays for at least another season.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
100-How can we be the worst defense in history when we were #27 against the pass and the run and #29 in points allowed?Since there are 32 teams,wouldn’t that mean there were teams worse than us this past season?
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There might not have been teams with a worse combination! Ouch 27th against the Run, 27th against the pass, and 29th in points allowed.
That might be the worst combination of the three stats?
February 19th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Wimbley is a one trick pony who is way over payed. Cut him Reggie.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:20 pm
The media won’t build the team. Reggie and Allen will do that. Don’t let sports writers tell you who will be cut and who will stay.
Allen has a plan for defense. He has a scheme he wants to run and he knows what players will fit that scheme.
If they really want a player they will find a way to make it happen. If they feel they can get similar production out of a cheaper player then they won’t.
If Wimbley fits into Allen’s plan he will be a Raider.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:22 pm
That might be the worst combination of the three stats?
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Actually that would be Tampa Bay.Also GB and NE were below us in total defense.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
I think coaching is the key. Look at the ‘9ers. As much as I can’t stand Harbaugh his DC did a fantastic job. Granted the ‘9ers have lots on #1s on their roster because they sucked for so long but in 2010 they still stunk. Coaching is the key.
Get rid of some of the attitude players and get guys like Giordano, who may not be the most talented but he has passion and goes all out. Right now, imo, those are the kind of players the Raiders need, and can get because of the draft situation.
February 19th, 2012 at 2:34 pm
From National Football Post
*Ray Lewis’ toe injury came at a very opportune time for one Ravens teammate. Jameel McClain, who took over the defense calling and on-field leadership responsibilities from Lewis in his absence for five games, is about to become an unrestricted free agent. The Ravens went 5-0 without Lewis, in part because of McClain’s ability to do some of what Lewis did. McClain subsequently could get some action on the open market. It’s also possible the Ravens will step up and try to retain him, both for his short term value and his long term value as a replacement for Lewis after the 36-year old retires.
Sounds like a good free agent target especially if we incorporate more 3-4.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
Raiders supposedly picked up a RB from Fresno State. Any information available?
February 19th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
A McClain-McClain tandem in the middle? That might just work.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Signed to a future/reserve contract on January 3rd. Here is an article via silverandblackpride.com
Lanyae Miller is from Fresno State. He was a College backup running back on a talented Fresno State squad. He ran a 4.43 in the forty and weighs in at 232lbs. Holy moly, Batman!
Miller is known for long runs and power and speed when backed up against the goal line. He’s faster than Bush and also a younger man than Bush. He will come cheaper too. Miller is a shrewd pickup that hasn’t gotten a lot of attention. But it seems that McKenzie is using his magic to load the team with depth. There is no reason why the Raiders can’t provide depth behind their superstar lottery picks.
Recently, Lanyae Miller learned blocking assignments during Cowboys camp as reported by ESPN.com.
Lanyae Miller along with the other free agents the Raiders signed this offseason are a start of something great. They recently signed several defensive lineman, a nose tackle, defensive backs, and a quality backup quarterback round. Look them up.
Missing from the list are linebackers. Because the Raider are going from a 4-3 to a 3-4, in terms of roster turnover, the Raiders, or any team with a 4-3 roster, have too many lineman and too few linebackers. The Raiders already picked up a few defensive lineman, so they are increasing the likelihood that they will target quality linebackers in the draft. Just my feeling for now. Things may change of course as we get closer to the draft. Free agents will be available and so on. Go Raiders!
There is so much to say so little time.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Navy — Where are you/have you been in the Navy?
February 19th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I live close to the beach in Los Angeles and have a few backyard chickens. They keep my garden clean, provide fertilizer and lay eggs. For one reason or another I sometimes have to catch these chickens.
A chicken is quick – very quick – and more evasion than a man, and more importantly endowed with a fantastic instinct to survive predators.
In order to catch a chicken one needs a plan to draw it into a lane. This necesitates being in the proper position and angle when the chicken makes its move toward escape.
Ability to catch a chicken doesn’t happen randomly: it requires a plan. When I look at the dull eyes of most of our players, especially Slowlando McClain, our clutch of inept CB’s who don’t turn heads toward the ball or raise a hand to block the ball, our defensive line, I watch men who couldn’t even catch chickens, clueless, helpless, azz-over-tea kettle, arms flailing after missed arm tackles, out-of-position, with bad angles
Anyone have further questions why we failed so miserably ?
February 19th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
I’m in the Navy in Yokosuka, Japan. Been in about 6 1/2 years and spent 5 1/2 here in Japan.
February 19th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
evasive ****
February 19th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
http://www.raiders.com/news/article-1/Raiders-Senior-Executive-John-Herrera-Announces-Retirement/48a22470-b91f-4ab8-8e33-4d6f8a43dc5c
February 19th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
Hardline Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
I live close to the beach in Los Angeles and have a few backyard chickens. They keep my garden clean, provide fertilizer and lay eggs. For one reason or another I sometimes have to catch these chickens.
A chicken is quick – very quick – and more evasion than a man, and more importantly endowed with a fantastic instinct to survive predators.
In order to catch a chicken one needs a plan to draw it into a lane. This necesitates being in the proper position and angle when the chicken makes its move toward escape.
Ability to catch a chicken doesn’t happen randomly: it requires a plan. When I look at the dull eyes of most of our players, especially Slowlando McClain, our clutch of inept CB’s who don’t turn heads toward the ball or raise a hand to block the ball, our defensive line, I watch men who couldn’t even catch chickens, clueless, helpless, azz-over-tea kettle, arms flailing after missed arm tackles, out-of-position, with bad angles
Anyone have further questions why we failed so miserably ?
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I get what your saying. Wouldn’t it be something if the Raiders incorperated ‘chicken catchin’ into their drills? If you could master the art of runnin down one of those little bastards, you’d be pretty good.
But me personally, I use a 24″ radius net on a pole. Makes it pretty easy. Then before you know it, your eatin BBQ’d chicken.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
Lonyae Miller is a solid RB and if the cowboys didnt have Demarco Murray he would make a Impact… He’s not flashy but I can see this kid as making a pretty big impact.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
I’m all for the catch the chicken drill.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Navy — I salute you and those you’re over there with. Are you land-based, or is that your ship’s home port?
February 19th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Yes to Lonyae Miller. Hopefully he brings some punch with that build.
February 19th, 2012 at 4:32 pm
Never seen this before:
DHB’s Crib
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vLUyyIJymFU
February 19th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
Navy- thank you for your sacrifice and service to this country.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:03 pm
I get what your saying. Wouldn’t it be something if the Raiders incorperated ‘chicken catchin’ into their drills? If you could master the art of runnin down one of those little bastards, you’d be pretty good
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It worked for Rocky Balboa it can work for the Raiders.
Rocky never took an Ass whippin (95 yards ) like our D did last year, and that boy took a few Ass whippens. And yes I know Rocky is a fictional character for any genius that feels the need to remind me!
February 19th, 2012 at 5:08 pm
Hardline, I have chickens too.
I spoil my chickens and give them “treats” (left overs and other kitchen scraps).
My chickens would follow me into battle!
Until the treats run out.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:09 pm
Hayes – I am land based but head out to the ships a few times a year to support another command. Thank you guys for the recognition. I greatly appreciate it. Go Raiders!
February 19th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
If the military was truly protecting our freedom, the first target would be Washington D.C.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:32 pm
Lefty.
The 2011 Raiders Defense was historically bad.
* They were only the 6th team since the merger (nearly 50 years) to allow 4000 yds passing and 2000 yds rushing in a season.
* Not since the 1950’s had a Defense allowed 30 + TD passes and 5 + ypc in a single season, the Raiders and Bucs did it in 2011.
* 2011 Raiders D:Franchise worsts in passing TD’s (31), yds passing (4262), ypc (5.1) and third most points 433 allowed.
Even with such a crappy performance, we were 1 win away from the playoffs.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Bob,I did say we were terrible,but the fact is TB was worse and we ended the year ahead of NE and GB also.All I was saying is we weren’t the worst defense in the history of the modern NFL.I never said or insinuated we were anything but terrible.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Being one game away from the playoffs in a weak division is not my idea of a contender.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
raidertalk Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
Marley Bob Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 10:24 am
Kamerion Wimbley was in the Top 10 when it came to Pass-Rushing productivity last year.
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Wow! “rushing Productivity” what a concept! Look at how Wimbley’s great “pressure” on the QB disrupted all those passes especially toward the end of the season.
You sight some crazy measure of rushing productivity, then completely OMIT his TOTAL liability in the pass coverage. His liability in coverage cost us more games than all of his great pressures on the QB.
Where watching the games that I was, with QBs having ALL GOT DAMN DAY to throw to wide-open WRS???
MAYBE, MAYBE WIMBLEY is worth it if he converts to end. BUT A LB NEEDS TO COVER.
4.5 million may or may not be worth it for a pass “pressuring” DE but NOT a LB who cannot cover.
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Edge Rushers like Wimbley are not paid to cover.
Thomas Howard was great in coverage, he was an OLB.
Kamerion is not an OLB but an Edge Rusher, a hybrid DE/LB whose job is to rush the passer and hold the edge vs the run.
The only time they’re supposed to drop back is when some sort of zone-blitz is called and they should only be asked to cover an area of the field, not chase TE’s and RB’s out of the backfield.
I’m hoping Jason Tarver and Dennis Allen will put Wimbley in position to make plays.
February 19th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
I hate city people with roosters , chicken ect…move to fresno with that sh8t
February 19th, 2012 at 5:59 pm
Breaking news, SharkCatcher hates people that produce food!
February 19th, 2012 at 6:07 pm
Not in my neighborhood. SharkCatcher likes food but he would prefer that it was grown somewhere else.
February 19th, 2012 at 6:35 pm
SharkCatcher likes to get his chicken from Popeyes. That is where he meets his ladies too.
February 19th, 2012 at 6:37 pm
166.lefty12 Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
Bob,I did say we were terrible,but the fact is TB was worse and we ended the year ahead of NE and GB also.All I was saying is we weren’t the worst defense in the history of the modern NFL.I never said or insinuated we were anything but terrible.
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Lefty u know I predicted the Raiders are going 12-4 this coming season.
That being said i think our D WAS perhaps the worst in the modern era.
“The Raiders are coming off one of their worst defensive seasons ever. Oakland had franchise worsts in touchdown passes allowed (31), yards per carry (5.1), yards passing (4,262) and total yards (6,201), while giving up the third-most points (433) in team history.
The Raiders joined this year’s Tampa Bay team as one of the four teams to allow at least 30 TD passes and 5.0 yards per carry in a season, a distinction last reached by the 1952 Dallas Texans. The Raiders also became the sixth team since the 1970 merger to allow at least 2,000 yards rushing and 4,000 yards passing in a season.
The Raiders also set an NFL record last season with 163 penalties for 1,358 yards.”
Updated January 26, 2012
February 19th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
As to #173, I think if u add in the penalties…on top of all the horrible yardage stats you can make the argument that the D was THE WORST in the modern era.
That being said, it can only get better.
Can anyone foresee it being worse?
How can it get worse?
It can’t.
12-4. (A prediction I reserve the right to change based on off season developments of course.)
February 19th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
Shark Catcher is a vegetarian..I don’t eat any animals.
February 19th, 2012 at 7:35 pm
#136:
” Al’s leadership by cult of personality, made it a hard place for any kind of talent to be nurtured. I’m fascinated by this because it truly was a train wreck.”
Well-put.
I can still remember reading newspaper accounts of the trial of Al versus NFL over the Raiders moving. The journalists were fascinated by Al’s testimony, in his body language, but especially in his use of language. They noted how his Massachusetts-Brooklyn accent would be used when he was making a salient, piercing point about business, then morph into a Southern drawl when he felt he needed to be charming. I do indeed think Al fashioned a “cult of personality.”
February 19th, 2012 at 7:41 pm
Wonder if the Raiders are still going to play Too Short after the team scores a touchdown, considering his recent drama.
February 19th, 2012 at 7:43 pm
Twocents Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 5:23 pm
If the military was truly protecting our freedom, the first target would be Washington D.C.
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People have been detained indefinitely for saying less. Keep it up.
February 19th, 2012 at 7:52 pm
OK I’ll bite, what did too short do?
February 19th, 2012 at 7:59 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
SMOKE TWO JOINTS IN THE MORNING, GET A BJ IN THE AFTERNOON
Yo yo yo what’s cracking blog brahs & dweebos
That was an off the chain Reggae Boat Cruise last night! Got into some major double trouble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32WCkSAwho
February 19th, 2012 at 8:16 pm
Marley Bob Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 11:10 am
SnB offense defense specialteams Says:
Marley, the Raiders can get ther same production from young hungry guys. These guys lack hustle, smarts and discipline
Let em go.
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SnB.
There’s this thing called talent,
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And then there is this thing called “heart”. For the last few years you have heard opponents say, get the Raiders down and they will fold. Pay a bunch of guys more than they are worth, and they fold down the stretch cause they got theirs. There are two guys on that roster that are NOT that: Seymour and Palmer.
February 19th, 2012 at 8:21 pm
Master Beeecham Says:
February 19th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
Got into some major double trouble
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=E32WCkSAwho
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That had to suck, not the way you’re thinking biachi
February 19th, 2012 at 8:35 pm
Djohnnyg-Naturally as fans we like to say that since we sucked on D we were the worst,but we weren’t.There was someone worse than us this past year.Actually there were 3 teams worse than us on defense.As I said many of the penalties were on offense,so you can’t put all those on the defense.Truthfully though,none of that matters.We sucked and it really doesn’t matter if we were the worst or the next to worst,we still sucked.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:17 pm
Sweep, Too Short made a viral video basically telling young boys how to skip the kissing phase and get right to 3rd base with young girls. It was in jest but naturally, it got an angry response from a lot of journalists both music related and mainstream.
February 19th, 2012 at 9:28 pm
I knew this would be a problem… You guys are all pissed at some of the staff Allen hired, but just like Jackson last year, he was denied access to many coaches.
No telling what the staff would look like if he got the guys he really wanted.
NFP Sunday Blitz: NFL’s system for interviewing other teams’ assistants flawed
http://sports.yahoo.com/nfl/news;_ylt=AtGcTk3EBdBUHGS.U8Ot_9lDubYF?slug=nfp-20120219_nfp_sunday_blitz_7019
“The NFL, it seems to me, has a problem on its hands: position coaches are being prevented from interviewing for promotions to coordinator positions like never before.
The Tampa Bay Buccaneers, Indianapolis Colts, Oakland Raiders, and Miami Dolphins all struggled to hire coordinators and fill out their staffs. The Bucs, in fact, were denied permission to interview 15 coaches, one source said.”
February 19th, 2012 at 10:39 pm
[...] didn’t know about one complicating factor: The Raiders have to pay Wimbley $6.5 million whether they keep him or not, according to Adam Caplan. (As Jerry McDonald of the Oakland Tribune points out, most of [...]
February 20th, 2012 at 1:36 am
O line defined? I don’t think so.
Usually these guys are dead on but I think Campbell is a goner.
Hes terrible in space and especially cut blocking in the ZBS.
Flip flopping positions and schemes is the last thing “Evil Dead” needed.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 20th, 2012 at 6:03 am
WAS THERE A MUSHROOM CLOUD THIS MORNING ?? AM I THE LAST LIVING SOUL ??
February 20th, 2012 at 6:10 am
The Rochester Lancers, of the MISL’s top level of pro indoor soccer, today announced a contract offer to former NBA star, Allen Iverson.
The Rochester Lancers host two remaining regular season home games to conclude their season. The offer stands at $20,000 per game, with a bonus of $5,000 per goal scored, win bonuses, and merchandise bonuses. There are over 12 goals scored on average per game.
“Allen Iverson is one of the premier athletes of our time,” said Rich Randall, Vice President of the Rochester Lancers. “With his athleticism and competitive hunger, I think he can be a great fit with our team and fans as we make an important playoff push, while also driving interest to an exciting, growing sport.”
If accepted, the Lancers have also offered to host his friends and family through the duration of his stay. With the per-game pay and bonuses, this offer will come close to the offer (per game) set by Turkish basketball team, Besiktas and ultimately keeping him the United States.
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yeah boy!
February 20th, 2012 at 6:11 am
nice work by the Suns.
Lake Show = flop
Go Heat!
February 20th, 2012 at 6:13 am
MISSOURI LIVES !! GOOD DAY ROCKSTAR..
February 20th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Wimbley was given an exclusive franchise tag about a year ago which guaranteed him approximately $11.3 million following a nine-sack season. The Raiders then renegotiated his deal to drop his salary cap number to $1.6 million. It was reported as a $48 million dollar deal with a whopping $29 million in guaranteed money.
Except Wimbley’s deal apparently wasn’t anything approaching $29 million in guaranteed money. The Raiders can get out of it by cutting him and paying him $6.5 million.
According to Adam Caplan, who has much of this contract stuff wired and was the first to report Wimbley’s situation last year, Wimbley earned $5 million last season ($4.25 million signing bonus, $750,000 salary).
This season, Wimbley’s base salary is $11 million and $6.5 million is guaranteed. Wimbley makes that amount even if he is cut. The rest of his contract ($4.5 million) is guaranteed as of March 17.
Add it up, and he earned almost $200,000 above and beyond his $11.3 million salary cap figure by agreeing to the restructure.
But as far as the Raiders owing him $29 million guaranteed, well, . . . the Raiders are off the hook for much of that figure if Wimbley is cut before March 17.
That’s a long way of saying take any “guaranteed” money with a grain of salt.
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Jerry Mac actually came thru!
great news
February 20th, 2012 at 6:17 am
So don’t reach too much into “guaranteed money” if the Raiders opt to part with Wimbley, frees safety Michael Huff ($4 million in salary, $4 million in bonus) or defensive tackle Tommy Kelly ($6 million in salary).
McKenzie and coach Dennis Allen could attempt to sign them for less or simply move on.
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take less or get out!
February 20th, 2012 at 6:18 am
THINK 2DAY IS 1ST DAY FRANCHISE TAGS CAN BE PLACED..
February 20th, 2012 at 6:19 am
It’s hard to know what they’ve got planned for strong safety Tyvon Branch, a prospective free agent. San Diego safety Eric Weddle signed a contract last year with guaranteed money reported as high as $19 million, although it’s hard to know if it really approached that figure.
There’s a chance McKenzie, Allen and Co. may look at the defensive performance in 2011 and conclude that anyone coming in at a high price isn’t worth keeping and that those with reasonable salaries can be fitted in with low-level or street free agents and the end result couldn’t possibly be worse.
The other prominent free agent is running back Michael Bush, who if franchised would get more than $7 million.
It’s what makes this offseason the most interesting since the Raiders returned to Oakland in 1995.
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We shouldn’t break the bank or franchise tag either of these players.
Make’em both reasonable “take it or leave it” offers!
February 20th, 2012 at 6:22 am
The fact that the tag numbers went down this year means it is a lot more likely that Bush gets tagged, since the RB tag # is down to 7.7 million. I hope we tag Branch if for nothing else than to NOT tag Bush.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:22 am
PFT’s take on Wimbley:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/19/more-than-half-of-wimbleys-2012-salary-is-guaranteed/
February 20th, 2012 at 6:25 am
Good Morning Nation !!!
February 20th, 2012 at 6:34 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 6:14 am
Wimbley was given an exclusive franchise tag about a year ago which guaranteed him approximately $11.3 million following a nine-sack season. The Raiders then renegotiated his deal to drop his salary cap number to $1.6 million. It was reported as a $48 million dollar deal with a whopping $29 million in guaranteed money.
Except Wimbley’s deal apparently wasn’t anything approaching $29 million in guaranteed money. The Raiders can get out of it by cutting him and paying him $6.5 million.
According to Adam Caplan, who has much of this contract stuff wired and was the first to report Wimbley’s situation last year, Wimbley earned $5 million last season ($4.25 million signing bonus, $750,000 salary).
This season, Wimbley’s base salary is $11 million and $6.5 million is guaranteed. Wimbley makes that amount even if he is cut. The rest of his contract ($4.5 million) is guaranteed as of March 17.
Add it up, and he earned almost $200,000 above and beyond his $11.3 million salary cap figure by agreeing to the restructure.
But as far as the Raiders owing him $29 million guaranteed, well, . . . the Raiders are off the hook for much of that figure if Wimbley is cut before March 17.
That’s a long way of saying take any “guaranteed” money with a grain of salt.
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Jerry Mac actually came thru!
great news
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the only way you pay a guy 6.5 mil to leave, is if you’re getting Mario Williams to replace him, or you are trading up to get Courtney Upshaw or you are getting both Vontaze Burfect AND say…Ahmad Brooks from the Niners…they may have to just bite the bullet and take it – Allen’s defense is predicated upon pressure to get sacks or force turnovers on the back-end.
This is one of those times, where McKenzie’s ability to get UDFAs is going to be pushed to the limit.
i cruched and crunched the draft and the best combination assuming we can get a couple of additional fourth picks would be
CB Doug Fletcher, B.College
DE/OLB Vinny Curry
S Harrison Smith
CB Josh Norman
ILB Emanuel Acho or Sean Spence OLB
OLB/DE Brett Roy
OG Desmond Wynn
DT Chigbo Anunoby
and FA’s
Tracy Porter (maybe)
Jameel McClain
Marques Colston
Evan Mathis or C Chris Meyers
Marques Colston or (gasp) Vincent Jackson?
February 20th, 2012 at 6:37 am
I don’t know that Wimbley gets cut. If you are on the hook for 6.5 no matter what it is hard to justify cutting your best LB (the best of a bad group, agreed, but the best never the less) to save 4.5 mill. I mean we are already tragically thin at LB, and I think there are some guys on the roster that may be more inclined to renegotiate their deals.
Or we may just have to bite the bullet and cut a few guys and replace them with UDFA’s and bottom of the barrel types and just hope to hell we can coach these guys up.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:38 am
The most expensive free agent we sign will be in the $5 million per year range… that is my prediction right now.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:44 am
the RB tag # is down to 7.7 million
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BCZ,
Reggie aint gonna blow all his loot on a chunky dude thats almost 30 who has a steel rod in his leg!
the ZBS is very RB friendly. I wouldn’t be surprised if Miller, Rankin & Cartwright are DMAC’s backups next season and we’re STILL a Top 10 Rushing team
February 20th, 2012 at 6:47 am
“WHEN” MCFADDEN GOES DOWN NEXT YEAR,WILL THE RAIDERS BE OK WITH THOSE 3 ?
February 20th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Not even “if” McFadden goes down…”When”, LOL
February 20th, 2012 at 6:52 am
DMAC NOT PRACTICING THIS WEEK BY THE WAY !!
February 20th, 2012 at 7:02 am
?? did McFadden have a nick or a ding last year??
February 20th, 2012 at 7:05 am
Aaron Curry @AaronCurry51 Reply Retweet Favorite · Open
Let’s tweet about Jesus all day today
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Curry needs to spend more time watching film and less time reading the Bible.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:06 am
we may just have to bite the bullet and cut a few guys and replace them with UDFA’s and bottom of the barrel types and just hope to hell we can coach these guys up
The most expensive free agent we sign will be in the $5 million per year range… that is my prediction right now.
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Couldn’t agree more, BCZ!
Raider fans are gonna think Mark Davis, Reggie McKenzie & Dennis Allen are trying to burn this place down. Truth is, our defense was PATHETIC last year. pick a category. you name it. we were terrible. 2010 was better with Nnamdi, but overall still pretty bad
Hue Jackson may have actually told the truth this time when he said the Raiders will be gutted by BigMac
Look at the drastic changes so far and it’s only mid-Feb
defensive minded HC
coaching staff overhaul
ZBS/WCO offense
3-4 Defense ?
Stan Routt axed
Wouldn’t surprise me a bit to see 3 or 4 more big names whacked from the defensive side, even if it only saves us $2 mil each
February 20th, 2012 at 7:08 am
Curry needs to spend more time watching film and less time reading the Bible.
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Aaron Curry needs to spend his offseason reading the Bible, restructuring his contract and trying to teach ROMAC how not to be a douche bag
February 20th, 2012 at 7:12 am
Dirt Lot,
if the Raiders trade away Darren McFadden or he gets hurt and misses 10+ games … the Raiders will be ranked 10-12 in rushing for 2012
if DMAC stays healthy for 10 or 12 games, the Raiders will be the #1 Rushing team in the NFL and win the AFC West with ease
February 20th, 2012 at 7:22 am
if DMAC stays healthy for 10 or 12 games
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and if a frog had wings, he wouldnt bump his ass !!
if my autn had balls she would be my uncle !! lol lol lol
February 20th, 2012 at 7:22 am
I dont know enough about Jones, Miller, Rankin or Cartwright to assume they could churn out 100 yard games if or when DMAC gets hurt again, but I trust McKenzie, Allen & Knapp will find a few ZBS stud runners at a bargain basement price to back up Darren McFranchise if they aren’t already in Alameda
February 20th, 2012 at 7:23 am
LOL @ Mike
good morning AM crew !!
February 20th, 2012 at 7:26 am
RR good morning, and how the hell are you ?
February 20th, 2012 at 7:32 am
not much happening in here until the west coast wakes up !!
February 20th, 2012 at 7:33 am
211.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 7:22 am
if DMAC stays healthy for 10 or 12 games
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and if a frog had wings, he wouldnt bump his ass !!
if my autn had balls she would be my uncle !! lol lol lol
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McFadden started 20 of 23 games before this past injury.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:33 am
I think that Lonyae Miller kid will make some noise in training camp, hopefully he turns out to be more than the next Louis Rankin.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Hopefully Miller beats out Rock Cartwright for the last RB spot, Rock’s a good special teamer so Miller will have to show he can produce there first and then think of earning some carries.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:35 am
Reggie McKenzie is going to get our financial house in order. He’s not going to mortgage our future just for loyalty sake. there will be casualties. there will be sacrifice. there will be plenty of time for younger players to develop and step up and seize roles. Oakland will be the land of opportunity and competition
February 20th, 2012 at 7:36 am
Wake me when we cut Wimbley, Huff or McClain.
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February 20th, 2012 at 7:43 am
Wake me when we cut Wimbley, Huff or McClain.
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Dakota,
how about a 3-for-1 special?
ya know, wouldn’t it be a kick in the pants if we axed ROMAC & Blackstock … replaced them with a few undrafted rookies and they improved our Run Defense by leaps & bounds ???
February 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
There isn’t enough monetary savings to make cutting Romac a worth while proposition.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Cuts:
Wimbley
Kelly
Huffy
Might cut:
Seymore
McClain
Lets get this show on the road!
February 20th, 2012 at 7:49 am
Rolando McClain makes Napolean Harris, Danny Clark & Kirk Morrison look like Ray Lewis, Patrick Willis & Brian Urlacher!
ROMAC = Blackstock = R Brown = Goethel = S Williams = R Thomas
February 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am
I’ll trade Romac and his salary for Sam Williams and his salary. what say you?
February 20th, 2012 at 7:52 am
There isn’t enough monetary savings to make cutting Romac a worth while proposition.
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BCZ,
you’re just looking at his salary. Whats he making in total this season?
anybody got Adam Caplan’s e-mail address ???
February 20th, 2012 at 7:54 am
I’ll trade Romac and his salary for Sam Williams and his salary. what say you?
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Macho Man,
Run Defense would remain the same and special teams would improve. we’d save some cash too. and SW is a good locker room guy with no off-field baggage
February 20th, 2012 at 7:59 am
Judging a player after two years is beyond ridiculous.
After their first two seasons, DHB and McFadden were garbage, and Jamarcus was winning games and playing very well.
Rolando will be awesome soon enough!!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:00 am
anybody follow Adam Caplan on Twitter, that could ask him how much dough McClain is taking home this season?
how much it would cost to keep him or ditch him?
This (Roto) is deceiving imo
7/29/2010: Signed a five-year, $40 million contract. The deal contains $23 million guaranteed. 2011: $405,000, 2012: $970,000, 2013: $1.535 million, 2014: $2.1 million, 2015: Free Agent
February 20th, 2012 at 8:01 am
Judging a player after two years is beyond ridiculous.
After their first two seasons, DHB and McFadden were garbage, and Jamarcus was winning games and playing very well.
Rolando will be awesome soon enough!!
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JFB,
JaWalrus won 9 games in 3 years with the silver & black. Hard to call the guy a “winner” imo – the comparison to Slowlando is on point though. kudos
February 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am
229. Those #s dont add up
February 20th, 2012 at 8:02 am
McClains contract #s
Salary Signing Bonus Total
2010 320,000 4,600,000 – 4,920,000
2011 405,000 4,600,000 – 5,005,000
2012 970,000 4,600,000 – 5,570,000
2013 1,535,000 4,600,000 – 6,135,000
2014 2,100,000 4,600,000 – 6,700,000
I know it seems like we can get out from the bonus, but it was a signing bonus, meaning we paid it up front, and prorated the hit over the 5 years of the contract. If we cut him know, it would accelerate the cap hit on the bonus. So instead of him costing us 5.5 million this year it would actually cost us 13.8 million towards the cap. Cutting Romac would COST more than keeping him. For better or worse, we are stuck with him.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Interesting to read how many of the semi pro’s on the blog say to keep “BUSH” or let him go.
I’m always looking for a good argument, so let’s compare Michael Turner who backed up LT in S.D. and faced the AFC west opponents like Michael Bush did as well.
First Turner came into the league at a fifth round pick,2004 draft. Bush fourth rounnd, 2007 draft, placed on IR broken leg in college, wasn’t ready for NFL.
Turner in a back up role, to LT in his four years had played in 59 games, had 228 rush attempts, 1257 yards 6 TD’S and a 5.5 yd avg per carry.
Bush in four years in a back up role has played in 61 games, 632 attempts, 2642 yards, 21 TD’S (many he stole from DMAC, short goal line replacement) and 4.2 yd avg per carry.
Bush due to DMAC injurys had 404 more carrys than Turner and 15 more TD’S and 1385 more yards.
Turner signed as a FA with Atlanta for 6yr $34.5 million with $15 million guaranteed.
The Raiders to sign Bush will not be cheap. To sign Bush would be crazy to pay him anything close to Turner with the current salary that he will be given in today’s current pay for a RB.
Do you pay him trade him or trade DMA. Bush will not accept a minor role, his numbers are better in most areas than Michael Turner, or do you franchise him and find a trade with someone who will want him. I looked at the history of NFL trades for his career stats, as a RB. The average draft pick received for Bush will be a third round. Most RB’s that usually get traded are not feature backs, which lowers their value, regarding the draft pick a team is willing to give.
MY personal thoughts are to find a back up to DMAC, similar to Bush, and know Taiwain Jones, is your change of pace RB, and find someone else to fill Bush role if you go the trade route. If the Raiders keep Bush, it will be a franchise tag, and the one year will be around $7 million.
What to do, that’s up to Reggie to decide.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Today is the first day to use the franchise tag
February 20th, 2012 at 8:04 am
Russell made Campbell look like Jim Plunkett
Campbell made Palmer look like Brett Favre (prior to the weiner pics)
February 20th, 2012 at 8:06 am
Thank you 232. Romac stays, next topic
February 20th, 2012 at 8:07 am
Cutting Romac would COST more than keeping him. For better or worse, we are stuck with him
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Can he play special teams?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:07 am
JaWalrus won 9 games in 3 years with the silver & black
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Point is, he looked his best at the end of his 2nd year.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
237 he can carry the water if he doesnt get his shht together
February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
Doesn’t matter if he can or can’t it isn’t likely that they will play him there, and they certainly aren’t cutting him which will cost an additional 8.5 million over what he is due this year. We don’t have that luxury. We need every penny of cap space.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I think you try to bring Bush back, within reason.
I would not frachise him, or offer him a huge contract, but I don’t think it should take that to resign him.
Unless he leaves for less money, for more playing time.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:13 am
We shouldnt tag antbody
February 20th, 2012 at 8:14 am
On Presidents day it would be beautiful if we could evict this marxist piece of garbage out of the WH.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:14 am
MY personal thoughts are to find a back up to DMAC, similar to Bush, and know Taiwain Jones, is your change of pace RB, and find someone else to fill Bush role
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Dell, Agreed!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:15 am
I am sure they will attempt to resign Bush. He didn’t help his cause with how badly he wore down. I can tell you a very likely landing spot for him is Cincy. Hue is there now, and they have the money and will be looking to replace Ced Benson.
In that scenario, I wouldn’t mind at all signing Benson to replace Bush
February 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Bush is gonzo. He will look for a team with a back he thinks he can beat. He knows he fades when dmac is around.. He’ll be in cincy with hueburt
February 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
M Bush will be retained because DMAC is injury prone. Plain and simple.
Get over it.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
Mr Brown,
I saw a bumper sticker this morning that said:
I’ll keep my guns, money and freedom. you can keep the “change”
I love it, LOL
February 20th, 2012 at 8:17 am
245. You beat me to the board with that one
February 20th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Slowlando McLazy is about as worthless as Prez BO!
neither of them deserve a second chance
February 20th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I think you try to bring Bush back, within reason.
I would not frachise him, or offer him a huge contract, but I don’t think it should take that to resign him.
Unless he leaves for less money, for more playing time.
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JFB,
This will be Bush best chance for a large contract. His age, his season performance and catches the ball well, and finally no major injurys.
If I’m Bush it’s see you later, I want my money. Some team GM will pay, and the Raiders will only be able to Franchise him and then trade him based on his demands.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Thats a good one RR. Did you give a thumbs up out the window ?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:20 am
247 we cant just handcuff him to the lockers. The only way to keep bush is to overpay. No way..
February 20th, 2012 at 8:22 am
Prez BO should be relegated to food stamps when he leaves office since he has put a record # of americans on govt assistance.
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RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:18 am
Slowlando McLazy is about as worthless as Prez BO!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:23 am
We need to scout the draft class for the demarco murray
February 20th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Dell,
Good morning.
Hard to imagine paying a backup RB $7+ million that will count against the cap, so you can trade him later (assuming teams are willing to trade for him). Teams know we are not going to pay DMAC $6 million, and then tag Bush and pay him $7 million for 1 season. They will wait for Bush to be cut.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:24 am
Will be interesting to see if more or less season tickets are sold with this new era
The KK’s and MR’s of the world dont buy tickets but whine the most.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Mr Brown,
Kell mostly complained about Al Davis.
MR mostly complains about his cousin’s refusal to sleep with him
February 20th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Bush is so gone. Say your final goodbyes to guy whos too good for fullback.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:10 am
I think you try to bring Bush back, within reason.
I would not frachise him, or offer him a huge contract, but I don’t think it should take that to resign him.
Unless he leaves for less money, for more playing time.
Raider O,
Good morning to you.
You know as a great salesman as you are, their are many people who are in the market who want something else, but buy for affordable price.
Bush rep, will see this market and find suitors for his services. The market will dictate his value,and the role with that team will be important. I can see Bush market in St. Louis, Cinn, Balt, Pitt, and a few others as the back up. There are a few teams that need starting RB with his skills that may be interested, like WAS, NYG, Ariz, Indy, and two others.
Their is a market for Bush, just have to detrmine if is a starter or back- up.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
I just can’t say many teams throwing big money at Bush.
He is just kind of stuck in his career. Not young, not old. Not a ton of carries, but not fresh legs. Good, but not great.
I read some people throwing out Cincy as a possible destination. Well, we certainly know they aren’t going to throw a bunch of money at him. They don’t even pay their own players well.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
247.MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:16 am
M Bush will be retained because DMAC is injury prone. Plain and simple.
Get over it.
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Blah blah blah… Who pays their back up at ANY position more than their starter?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
I have a bumper sticker on my truck with B.O., that simply has the caption, “COMMIE!”.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Well, we certainly know they aren’t going to throw a bunch of money at him. They don’t even pay their own players well.
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The cap minimum starts in 2013, they are going to have to make moves to start approaching that minimum now.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Blah blah blah?
What are you a 12yr old girl?
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bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Blah blah blah
February 20th, 2012 at 8:36 am
The Fat Monkey wanted Veldheer to play C, started Fargas over DMAC & Bush, and wanted Bush to play FB to block for Fargas.
Someone should slap that fat monkey!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I have a BO shirt that has his “O” on there with a L in front and back of it.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:39 am
Lets say we offer bush 6mil a yr. He’d still say no because he knows he cant beat out dmac.. Bush has an ego. He wouldnt play fullback, and he wont remain a back up..
February 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
OMG = O must go
February 20th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Good point 264.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
BO is an american tragedy and a disgrace to the office.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
What are you a 12yr old girl?
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Why yes, actually I am.
Are you so genuinely insecure with yourself that you can’t resist pitiful attempts at insulting people on a regular basis… even online?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
I just can’t say many teams throwing big money at Bush.
He is just kind of stuck in his career. Not young, not old. Not a ton of carries, but not fresh legs. Good, but not great.
I read some people throwing out Cincy as a possible destination. Well, we certainly know they aren’t going to throw a bunch of money at him. They don’t even pay their own players well.
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JFB makes perfect sense about 90% of the time.
He holds a scholarship program, similar to the way Al Davis used to. He clamored for us to draft McClain and it happened. ROMAC falls flat on his face for the first two seasons and here come the excuses. still holding out for the potential to translate into production on the football field. Heyward-Bey was very raw and green, almost more like Terrelle Pryor. Him going off in Year #3 didn’t surprise me. Most young wides don’t start to get it until then.
McClain played for Alabama under Nick Saban and was highly touted as a can’t miss pick. Most NFL ready of anybody in RD1. basically, ROMAC was Robert Gallery. We kept him on as long as we could. Moved him to different positions, changed the scheme, he agreed to several paycuts or restructures to help us. In the end, we lowballed him an offer, he balked and took the money elsewhere and was an absolute failure on his new team.
cut the cord, JFB!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I figured as much.
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bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:43 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
What are you a 12yr old girl?
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Why yes, actually I am.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I think teams will look at Bush as a former 4th rounder, and ask themselves, “do we throw money at him, or look for the next Mike Bush in this draft, and try to get him at about 25% the cost”.
Although, as we certainly learned with Al Davis, it only takes one team to unload a ton of money to make a market for a player.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:35 am
Blah blah blah?
What are you a 12yr old girl?
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bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:33 am
Blah blah blah
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Yada Yada Yada
February 20th, 2012 at 8:45 am
He holds a scholarship program, similar to the way Al Davis used to
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I have never denied having my favorites.
We should have drafted Javier Arenas!!!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:46 am
Q: What are you a 12yr old girl?
A: Why yes, actually I am
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BCZ,
expect a call from Steve Alford shortly.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
I see the chicken catching comments in this thread as kind of a metaphor for signing some talented free agents. Your thoughts?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
We should have drafted Javier Arenas!!!
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Dan Williams for NT!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:47 am
expect a call from Steve Alford shortly.
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I dont get the reference. Don’t know who Steve Alford is.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Bush is not a special RB, I’m sure he can start for some teams in the league, but I doubt he will get a huge contract.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:44 am
I figured as much.
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Does it hurt to know a 12 year old girl has a FAR superior knowledge of football to yourself?
February 20th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Someone should slap that fat monkey!
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O,
Cable was HC when we selected Rolando McClain in the Top 10. slap away!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
Steve Alford was a former point guard for Bob Knight at Indiana and former HC at Iowa who got in trouble for inappropriate “relationship” with a young girl.
He’s also a born again christian.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:51 am
My favorite players:
DMAC
TP
Ford
Moore
McClain
Houston
Wimbley
Branch
Chekwa & DVD
February 20th, 2012 at 8:52 am
I forgot to add Matt S.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:53 am
I dont get the reference. Don’t know who Steve Alford is.
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BCZ,
he blogged on here a few years ago. BSJ remembers him. he was a dude in his late 20’s or 30’s that used to drive by high schools looking to score chicks.
BSJ has a teenage daughter and said Steve A wasn’t welcome over to his house, unless of course he could run without fumbling or longsnap!
February 20th, 2012 at 8:54 am
RR,
McClain will be fine. Get over it. You remember your arguments about Huff? Use the same logic. It’s not McClain. It’s the scheme! lol
February 20th, 2012 at 8:55 am
This is the first yr. I can remember getting on blogs like this so early in the offseason.
NFL has become a yr. long diversion when it used to be I’d shut it down after the SB and figured if Al made any big moves I’d hear about it.
I’d start thinking about NFL football in late July.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:57 am
I still can’t “get over’ the McClain whiff on Stafford, or his long, skinny neck.
He just doesn’t seem like the proto typical MLB.
If his play made up for it on the field i’d be okay with him…but it doesn’t.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
Steve Alford was a former point guard for Bob Knight at Indiana and former HC at Iowa who got in trouble for inappropriate “relationship” with a young girl.
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DJG,
I’m talking about the blogger, but now I see why he chose that as his nickname.
However, Alford the blogger was NOT a christian. I debated religion with that dude for months
February 20th, 2012 at 8:58 am
RR,
You remember our debates about Huff? I wanted him gone, and you wanted to give him more time.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:02 am
McClain is 22, he was playing for a great college program & a good HC, and then he plays for the Fat Monkey & Marshall, and then he has to play for Hue & Chucky.
I’m willing to give the kid more time.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:03 am
McClain will be fine. Get over it. You remember your arguments about Huff? Use the same logic. It’s not McClain. It’s the scheme!
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O,
did ROMAC play for the Buckeyes? did he play for SDSU?
why do you have a mancrush on him?
when did I say “it’s the scheme” regarding Huff?
I said he was out of position as SS under Rob Ryan, but I’m pretty sure most in here would agree with me on that. I like Huff, but I don’t like his contract.
I’m fine if he stays, fine if he goes.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Bcz, you chose to respond to my post with Blah blah blah. I didn’t force you to doit, did I? So I responded to you in kind. Thats how it works! Now you have your panties in a knot. Get you some big boy pants, k ?
Go cry to mommy…
February 20th, 2012 at 9:06 am
O,
did ROMAC play for the Buckeyes? did he play for SDSU?
why do you have a mancrush on him?
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LOL
I like him dude. I think he can be a great player.
Why did you have a man crush on JLh?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
I remember what you said RR. We also talked about the scheme he plays in. Single high safety for the Raiders?!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
You remember our debates about Huff? I wanted him gone, and you wanted to give him more time.
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O,
It was never about “more time” imo. You said he sucks, I said he’s a player.
apparently we were both wrong. He is serviceable, but he’s not a Pro Bowler and he’s not a bum
WAY overpaid though. another terrible contract courtesy of Al Davis
February 20th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Why did you have a man crush on JLh?
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I miss Johnnie Lee. that kid had PLAYMAKER written all over him.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:15 am
Why did you have a man crush on JLh?
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I miss Johnnie Lee. that kid had PLAYMAKER written all over him.
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LMAO
February 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am
#292,
I do kind of remember that guy now. Interesting why that guy would choose that name.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am
296.MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:04 am
Go cry to mommy…
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Why you haven’t had enough from a 12 year old girl, you now what my mom to school you as well?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:16 am
I agree about Huff. He is an avg player who is not worth that huge contract Al gave him.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:19 am
RR,
I never said McClain will be the next Ray Lewis. I miss F Joseph. lol
February 20th, 2012 at 9:20 am
O,
JLH was a 3rd rounder with JaWalrus as his QB
McClain was a Top 10 pick playing behind Seymour & Kelly!
apples & oranges imo
February 20th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I never said McClain will be the next Ray Lewis. I miss F Joseph
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watching ROMAC play makes me miss Frantz Joseph as well!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:22 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:10 am
You remember our debates about Huff? I wanted him gone, and you wanted to give him more time.
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O,
It was never about “more time” imo. You said he sucks, I said he’s a player.
apparently we were both wrong. He is serviceable, but he’s not a Pro Bowler and he’s not a bum
WAY overpaid though. another terrible contract courtesy of Al Davis
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Let’s see, Raider O has a debate with RRS, and I have a debate with Raider O on the same player, Michael Huff.
My debate was if Huff could play corner, yet Raider O defended his position like he was his agent, and the next great corner, cause he played a little bit in Texas as a colege player. Raider O argument was to move him there to corner, cause he can’t tackle. Now I read, Raider O always thought of Huff as a player who sucked, way to be on both sides of the debate Raider O. RRS, thanks for bringing the comment up. I know now the debate was won by me, and Raider O showed his true feelings, about the player, or sort of a player.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:24 am
DIRT-LOT FOOTBALL Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 6:03 am
WAS THERE A MUSHROOM CLOUD THIS MORNING ?? AM I THE LAST LIVING SOUL ??
LOL, Good Morning Nation!!!
Dirt Lot, Bcz, Dell, O, MB…what’s up guys? Off today, hence coming in here a little later than usual…
February 20th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Ok Bcz you took me to school with “blah blah blah”. I give up! You dropped some serious knowledge! Why NFLN hasn’t scooped you up by now is beyond me.
lmfao
February 20th, 2012 at 9:24 am
Hwn how it do ?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Doing good Mista! Just me and the kids today!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Hwnrdr,
morning
February 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
BBL…
February 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Morning Dell…just enjoying the day off! Last 3 day weekend for awhile!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
My debate was if Huff could play corner, yet Raider O defended his position like he was his agent, and the next great corner, cause he played a little bit in Texas as a colege player. Raider O argument was to move him there to corner, cause he can’t tackle. Now I read, Raider O always thought of Huff as a player who sucked, way to be on both sides of the debate Raider O.
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Dell,
some guys are just going to hate. Sort of like BSJ with DMAC & Condo. Huff is not a fit at CB imo. I think he can tackle just fine (for a safety). My issue with him is his contract. He doesn’t make enough plays to justify it. Look at Matt Giordano. We signed that guy off the street for next to nothing and he comes in with a reserve role and leads the team with 5 INT’s!
That tells me there are plays on the football to be made and he just isn’t makng them. Decent enough in coverage and passes defensed are cool, but he’s not a game changer. I can think of 2 plays he’s made to game the outcome of ballgames since he was drafted. Sack/Fumble on Philip Rivers in 2010. Int of Matt Schaub in 2011. Anything else ???
February 20th, 2012 at 9:32 am
As a long suffering fan, it may be selfish of me, but after all, i’m not an NFL employee, nor am i an employee of the Raiders who needs to concentrate on and worry about the business side of things and how much $ we are spending etc. Only to the extent that it affects the salary cap and things the team can do as far as signings etc.
My job as a fan is to let THEM worry about it and me worry about turning on the TV in September and seeing a good team on the field.
I have enuff problems.
It’s interesting to get on here and speculate about how they will handle things as that is what this is all about, but…
I like to hear that they are doing things everyday to get better.
I think we know by now Herrera is leaving (or not) and Routt was let go.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:33 am
How many?
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Hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Doing good Mista! Just me and the kids today!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dell,
LMAO
I thought Huff sucked at S, and I wanted him to move around more. Play CB, NB, and FS to take advantage of his speed and coverage skills.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Next time I log on i’d like to see “Raiders sign Mario Williams and Cliff Avril”.
Mark and Amy can worry about how they’re gonna pay those guys.
We don’t always get what we want though.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
315.hwnrdr Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:30 am
Morning Dell…just enjoying the day off! Last 3 day weekend for awhile!
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Should’ve lived down here in the N.O.
5 day weekend. Mardi Gras tomorrow. Got to go score a king cake to get my day started.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:36 am
Hwnrdr,
Good morning brother.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Mista, I have 2
504, really…NO lets you have 5 days off for the Mardi gras?
What’s up, O?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Raider O Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Dell,
LMAO
I thought Huff sucked at S, and I wanted him to move around more. Play CB, NB, and FS to take advantage of his speed and coverage skills.
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Raider O,
Thanks for the clarificatio. I realize now our debate was on a player who sucks, at any position.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:51 am
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 8:42 am
BO is an american tragedy and a disgrace to the office.
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He’s a big improvement over the last guy…
February 20th, 2012 at 9:52 am
I said we should use Huff the same way GB uses Woodson, because Huff had issues with tackling, but he has good speed and coverage skills.
My point is very simple.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:56 am
Huff improved his tackling, but he is not a playmaker at S. I still think we should move him around, if we keep him (I rather keep resign Branch).
February 20th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Raider O,
Huff sucks, get over it.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Dell,
I can’t say he sucks now since he improved his tackling, but I like to explore different options at this point.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:58 am
LMAO!!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Yep Hwnrdr,
Monday, Tues, Wed are holidays here. Will Ferrell was king of (Bacchus) the parade i went to last night. It’s pretty wild down here right now.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:04 am
504 Raider Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Yep Hwnrdr,
Monday, Tues, Wed are holidays here. Will Ferrell was king of (Bacchus) the parade i went to last night. It’s pretty wild down here right now.
NICE!!!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:04 am
504 Raider Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Yep Hwnrdr,
Monday, Tues, Wed are holidays here. Will Ferrell was king of (Bacchus) the parade i went to last night. It’s pretty wild down here right now.
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Thanks for ruining my Monday, as I lookover balance sheets and tax issues.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Hwnrdr,
Maybe we should move to NO. Good food & music, extras days off, and Mardi Gras.
Mardi Gras!! Hummmm ummmm
I got lots of beeds!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Beads*
February 20th, 2012 at 10:06 am
Here’s where I get my king cakes. Sorry you guys can’t be here to enjoy the festivities:
https://www.randazzokingcake.com/?gclid=CNSrkNiRra4CFYuc7Qodr2ItSg
February 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Routt’s new deal expected today
Posted by Mike Florio (PFT)
On Sunday morning, we reported that former Raiders cornerback Stanford Routt will soon be picking his next team.
We now expect that decision to be finalized and formalized today.
Routt has visited the Bills, Chiefs, and Bengals since being released by the Raiders, who made the move to avoid fully guaranteeing his $5 million base salary for 2012. (Routt nevertheless leaves with $10 million in hand and another $5 million on the way; even DeAngelo Hall thinks that’s a good haul for a short stint in Oakland.)
Since the Chiefs play the Raiders twice per year and they face the possible departure of Brandon Carr via free agency and they use the same kind of man-to-man style with which Routt is familiar, we’ve got a feeling Routt will be wearing an arrowhead on his next helmet.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:11 am
You guys can get the same king cakes I get. There is a baby hidden in the cake. The tradition is whoever gets the baby has to buy the next king cake.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am
cross Marshawn Lynch off your FA wishlist:
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/20/seahawks-deep-in-contract-talks-with-lynch-prepared-to-use-tag/
February 20th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Huff needs to go. Bad angles, bad tackling, bad coverage..
February 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
504,
Who cares about Cake. Can we get the same girls?
February 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
With today being the first day to tag players, I could see the Raiders 1 of these two things…
1. Tag Bush, the reason I say that is because of DMC’s history with injurys. Also, if Bush were to be tagged I could see us trading DMC to recoup some draft picks in this years draft.
2. Tag Branch, he’s a keeper, we have greater need on defense than offense. Bush leaves for starter money, watch DMC and Jones to take care of the back field!
Also with Routt signing today with the Chiefs I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carr in the Silver and Black!!!
Write it down, take a picture…..
February 20th, 2012 at 10:17 am
I have to see Mardi Gras in NO and the Carnival in Rio. That’s a party.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Tag Branch!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Raider O Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:05 am
Hwnrdr,
Maybe we should move to NO. Good food & music, extras days off, and Mardi Gras.
Mardi Gras!! Hummmm ummmm
I got lots of beeds!
I know right?
February 20th, 2012 at 10:20 am
341.Raider O Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:15 am
504,
Who cares about Cake. Can we get the same girls?
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You gotta be down here to get that. And they were looking good out there last night I must say.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:27 am
How incrediblely awesome would it be to watch the Chiefs ‘upgrade’ their CB position going from Carr to Routt… lol. If they sign him, I hope they don’t plan on using him at nickle, he is terrible inside.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Oakland CB Stanford Routt reached agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Huff the Tragic Longhorn
Failed bad on D
And stinking up the Autumn Wind
He sucked at safety
Huff the Tragic Longhorn
Failed bad on D
Now some say cornerback where
He’d suck for all to see
-Peter,Paul&Mary
February 20th, 2012 at 10:32 am
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, he has. The source says it’s a three-year deal worth just under $20 million.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:33 am
with Routt signing today with the Chiefs I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carr in the Silver and Black!!!
Write it down, take a picture…..
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ray,
I’ll make that swap six times a week!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Routt signed with KC!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Sign Carr!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:34 am
How incrediblely awesome would it be to watch the Chiefs ‘upgrade’ their CB position going from Carr to Routt… lol. If they sign him, I hope they don’t plan on using him at nickle, he is terrible inside.
Adam Schefter @AdamSchefter
Former Oakland CB Stanford Routt reached agreement with the Kansas City Chiefs.
Per a source with knowledge of the situation, he has. The source says it’s a three-year deal worth just under $20 million.
***
DHB, Ford, Moore & Murphy can’t wait to play against KC!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:35 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:33 am
with Routt signing today with the Chiefs I wouldn’t be surprised to see Carr in the Silver and Black!!!
Write it down, take a picture…..
***
ray,
I’ll make that swap six times a week!
Exactly!!! But…they are 60 million under the cap…I can see them keeping Carr and Bowe also!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:38 am
Hwnrdr,
And still afford to sign a few big name FAs. They are $60+ million under the cap!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:39 am
I, too, hope the Raiders go after Brandon Carr. He can be a true #1 corner. Younger than Routt – better, too.
Hopefully they can clear enough room to make a run at him.
Kelly, Henderson, Eugene, Chris Johnson will have to be cut. Maybe even Huff, but something tells me Huff is smart enough to restructure. He knows exactly how many calls his agent got when he was a free agent. Palmer will restructure, too.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:40 am
i’m wondering if a lot trades will happen on draft day…
as for KC – they need O-lineman more than anything else….
February 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
new post
February 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
looking as if KC was expecting for Carr to test the market….but supposedly, there wasnt that much “interest in his services” even though he scheduled visits….
February 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
meaning Routt, not Brandon Carr…..
February 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
PASS INTERFERENCE……NUMBER 26,,THE BALL WILL BE PLACED AT THE SPOT OF THE INFRACTION.THE PLAY RESULTS IN A FIRST DOWN
…Oh yeah get used to heading that A LOT Chief fan.
February 21st, 2012 at 11:11 pm
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endurance
February 21st, 2012 at 11:12 pm
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uh huh
February 21st, 2012 at 11:23 pm
thats the way
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
i like it
RUMOR: We’re hearing Green Bay Center Scott Wells may be talking with Raiders after NFLN reported the long time Packer O line anchor will likely part ways.
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:27 pm
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amazing
February 21st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
seemed like HUff was getting scorched at CB
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:28 pm
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:29 pm
huff gone?
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
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hybrid died on the table
February 21st, 2012 at 11:30 pm
guarantee no XBOXES at camp this year
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:31 pm
amukamura always hurt
raiders with no game changers
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
on D anyway
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:33 pm
HUFF GOES MITCHELL STAYS
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MITCHELL STAYS HUFF GOES
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SAFETY DANCE
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
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IF U wanna
February 21st, 2012 at 11:35 pm
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rygjh
February 21st, 2012 at 11:44 pm
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all day long too if U want
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February 21st, 2012 at 11:45 pm
or at least till the inevitable
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stabbing
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:07 am
was long
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:15 am
but good
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:16 am
for all
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to EAT
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
raiders were a handful of plays away from the play offs. It was the players tanked not Hue
All the Hue hate comes from media who right or wrong think hes a climber
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
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put that team together healthy and we challenge deep
February 22nd, 2012 at 12:28 am
bit NAAAW
The hair cut wants to destroy it all
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:29 am
the hair that ate Oakland
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:29 am
steve and co all azz kissy towatrd the new regime hopin for a bone
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
regg gonna use em till they figure it out. They claim fans important but only their money/
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:30 am
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:32 am
welker talks at a stand still…cuz hes on vacay with Brady
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:38 am
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February 22nd, 2012 at 12:39 am
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February 22nd, 2012 at 8:41 am
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