Routt signs with Chiefs
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, February 20th, 2012 at 10:42 am in Oakland Raiders.
Cornerback Stanford Routt agreed to terms with the Kansas City Chiefs Monday, according to multiple media outlets and first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter.
Routt, who will have earned $15 million with the Raiders, according to one report, will get $11 million this season and $19.3 million over three years.
The knee-jerk reaction? It means the Chiefs aren’t interested in re-signing Brandon Carr, who I’m assuming had a better year than Routt in 2011 unless he had more than 18 penalties and gave up more than eight touchdown receptions.
– Monday is the first day teams can use the franchise designation. The Raiders will keep their plans close to the vest.
“We’ll keep every option available to us open,” general manager Reggie McKenzie said through a team spokesman.
The Raiders have two prime candidates for the franchise tag _ running back Michael Bush and strong safety Tyvon Branch.
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February 20th, 2012 at 10:44 am
1!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:45 am
Yeah budddeeee!!!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The fact that this means almost nothing to me speaks volumes about Routt’s impact on the game
February 20th, 2012 at 10:47 am
I don’t really know how I feel about this.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
now he can produce 1st downs for the opposing offense on 3rd an longs for another team with all his dam P.I. calls. he sure wasnt worth the money to stay with us, but im glad he went to a team we play twice a year and knowing his weaknesses will be great for a QB that practiced against him for over half a season.
Palmer will be torching his @ss twice a year and he will be giving us 1st downs for grabbing ford, moore and dhb.
RAIDER FAHQIN NATION!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
SR Raider Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The fact that this means almost nothing to me speaks volumes about Routt’s impact on the game
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^^^^This is exactly how I feel.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Tag Branch!
February 20th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Sign Carr and we have a improved secondary…the first step to a better defense.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Routt had 18 penalties and gave up 8+ TDs.
We can do better.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:51 am
now it’s time to see what Chekwa and DVD can do. I am assuming they will play a lot better this year not having to line up in man coverage the whole game.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:52 am
i’m wondering if a lot trades will happen on draft day…
as for KC – they need O-lineman more than anything else….
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Sam,
KC is expected to pursue Samson Satele, Stephon Heyer & Khalif Barnes when free agency opens next month
February 20th, 2012 at 10:53 am
I, too, hope the Raiders go after Brandon Carr. He can be a true #1 corner. Younger than Routt – better, too.
Hopefully they can clear enough room to make a run at him.
Kelly, Henderson, Eugene, Chris Johnson will have to be cut. Maybe even Huff, but something tells me Huff is smart enough to restructure. He knows exactly how many calls his agent got when he was a free agent. Palmer will restructure, too.
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YA = stud blogger
February 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
I think the only surprise for me is how much money KC is paying Routt.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
An anonymous spokesperson for NFL Corporate has told reporters he expects Stanford Routt to be a pro-bowler in 2012.
“You must know that all the grabbing, hand-fighting and illegal contact penalties will disappear from his resume this season. He changed jerseys.”, said the unnamed source.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:55 am
We’re going to be playing a ton of zones this year, which Routt has never shown he can play. No big loss.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:56 am
We’ll torch em twice a year
February 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am
KC is $60+ million under the cap, they can Tag one of their FAs (Bowe/ Carr), and sign the other one to a big contract. They can also afford to sign a few big name FA due to their cap situation.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:57 am
An anonymous spokesperson for NFL Corporate has told reporters he expects Stanford Routt to be a pro-bowler in 2012.
“You must know that all the grabbing, hand-fighting and illegal contact penalties will disappear from his resume this season. He changed jerseys.”, said the unnamed source
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thanks M
BCZ = unnamed source?
February 20th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Routt has talent, but is not a big-time player. I have no problem with him going to the other side. Let’s see him cover Moore.
It’s exciting — at least to me — to see an overpaid and over-rated player leave the Raiders for a change.
Otherwise, I’m not as big a Branch fan as others. But we have to keep him because the secondary is so weak. There needs to be some veteran leadership next season.
I say let Bush go. We can get a cheaper, faster back-up. If Jones is ready, hopefully we only need a third-stringer or short-yardage back. Someone will be available.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:00 am
KC is $60+ million under the cap, they can Tag one of their FAs (Bowe/ Carr), and sign the other one to a big contract. They can also afford to sign a few big name FA due to their cap situation.
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Brandon Flowers + Javier Arenas + Stan Routt + Brandon Carr ???
Not likely…
February 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
19.3 million divided by 3 is less than 6.5 million per season. Asomugha is making 12.
That adds up to about the same thing we paid for Routt and Huff. Who would you rather have?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:08 am
uglyorc Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:06 am
19.3 million divided by 3 is less than 6.5 million per season. Asomugha is making 12.
That adds up to about the same thing we paid for Routt and Huff. Who would you rather have?
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Nnamdi obviously, but that ship has sailed.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
I agree that it’s nice to see the door swinging the other way with over-paid, under-performing players. I’m hoping that Routt is the first of a few to be shown the door.
Here’s to the end of “Club Oakland”… where players go to chill out and cash checks.
And I’d guess that Routt will be the excuse when the Raiders spank the Chefs twice next season….
February 20th, 2012 at 11:10 am
If he gets away with his incessant arm-hooking, and hand checking vs the Raiders twice a year, it will drive me insane.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Good. Now we get to see him twice a year. Hey Palmer, throw his way.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:13 am
I agree with all the previous posts re Routt. He had to go for all the reasons previously cited.
My take is what took the Raiders that long. He should have been cut immediately after the San Diego disaster when he stated, “I think we have a really good defense.” Physical talent with a 10 cent brain.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
The Wimbley contract is indeed “out-of-whack”.
But if he’s not willing to restructure? The Raiders are probably better off keeping him.
Truth be told, there are A LOT of bad contracts on the Raiders, and Wimbley is the only one of them who came even close to justifying his salary.
Sure, he doesn’t get a lot of sacks. But he does get a lot of pressures (6th most in the league last season, if I’m not mistaken), and that counts for something.
He also has something that few Raiders defenders do – versatility. In 3-4 sets, Wimbley provides the Raiders with their only true rush linebacker. In the 4-3, he’s an average SLB, but also gives them depth at DE.
Outside of Super Mario and Cliff Avril (who are going to get P-A-I-D paid), it’s a weak group of DEs in free agency. In addition, not only is the 4-3 DE draft class VERY top-heavy this year, 4-3 DEs are hard to find in the draft – especially without any high draft picks.
Wimbley gives the Raiders another option at 4-3 DE, especially on passing downs. If the Raiders would have to pay him over half his salary anyway, they’re better off with him on the roster for at least another season.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:15 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:14 am
The Wimbley contract is indeed “out-of-whack”.
But if he’s not willing to restructure? The Raiders are probably better off keeping him.
Truth be told, there are A LOT of bad contracts on the Raiders, and Wimbley is the only one of them who came even close to justifying his salary.
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BUT if Wimbley says no and we keep him, what message does that send to everyone else we ask to restructure?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Routt, who will have earned $15 million with the Raiders, according to one report, will get $11 million this season
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Well how about that for a guy who sucks?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
BUT if Wimbley says no and we keep him, what message does that send to everyone else we ask to restructure?
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Some of those contracts are MUCH less detrimental to the Raiders than Wimbley’s, and would therefore be easier to cut ties with. Curry and Huff in particular.
Tommy Kelly, Chris Johnson, John Henderson, and Hiram Eugene could all be gone as well, with very little cap hit.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:18 am
The first thing you will notice while watching Routt play for the Chiefs is they will not call PI on him as much, if at all, like they did while he was a Raider.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
I think that 11 million # for this season includes the $5 million we are already on the hook for this season.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
So should we really go after Carr?
Seems like KC thinks Routt is better.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:20 am
I wouldn’t be at all surprised if Curry, Eugene, Henderson, and CJ37 are all show the door. Of the 4 only Curry is worth more than vet minimum, and that is curry, who is worth about 2 million imo
February 20th, 2012 at 11:21 am
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:19 am
So should we really go after Carr?
Seems like KC thinks Routt is better.
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KC is wrong.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Seems like KC thinks Routt is better.
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Nah, Kc just thinks they can get close similar production for 6 mill a year, where Carr’s contract demands have probably been more expensive. I bet Carr is looking for 8-10 mil
February 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just because Curry can’t cover WRs or TEs in man to man doesn’t mean he’s slightly above vet minimum.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
Great news!
Now when we play them, we can just throw bombs to Routt…knowing that he’ll eventually pull the WR down and give us a 1st down.
Go Raiders!
February 20th, 2012 at 11:24 am
I don’t understand why KC is being so frugal. They did this last season, too. I get not wanting to be right up against the cap. But if a team has as many holes as KC does, and $60 million + to spend, you’d think they’d be a little more active.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:25 am
You will see the PI’s go down in KC for Routt.
Not because the ref’s, but because KC, like most teams, would have disciplined/sat Routt at some point, and made him accountable, something Hue never did, even once.
We set a record for penalties because not one player was worried about any backlash or reaction.
Not once did I see Hue call a player over, or approach a player leaving the field after a mistake.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:27 am
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 11:23 am
Just because Curry can’t cover WRs or TEs in man to man doesn’t mean he’s slightly above vet minimum.
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Can’t cover them in zone, either. Seahawks found that out first-hand. Also isn’t much of a pass rusher. Those skills are kind of important when you’re a 4-3 WLB. Or a 3-4 ILB, for that matter – although his deficiencies would be easier to mask in that case.
He can run and hit. Decent player against the run. That’s pretty much all Curry can do. Limited player. Not worth $5 million a year. $2 million a year at the absolute most, and even that’s a bit of a stretch.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Could this mean Brandon Carr could come to oakland? I hope so and aldo bring another Vet CB and our four CB will be set with chekwa dvd carr and or finnegan/porter/grimes. And Ford Moore and DHB probably love this because they get to torch his @ss
February 20th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Carr, Finnegan, and Grimes will all command contracts in the $8-$10 million per year range. Raiders will have to clear plenty of space if they want to make a run at any of those guys and still keep Branch (as well as some other role players).
It’s more likely that Tracy Porter and Richard Marshall will be targets – as well as Trumaine Johnson or Leonard Johnson in the draft if the Raiders get that compensatory 3rd round pick.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Bad for KC and good for us. The next drag we must rid ourself of is Huff: he’s been around here way too long and in fact done little.
And quit wanderlusting in your minds for Nnamdi to return. He was basically a slug, who, because of his good character standards and high ideals was heads and tails, as a person, above most players. However, that does not justify his designation as “shutdown corner” gaining only 11 INT’s for the Raiders in 8 yrs. Nnamdi was a decent CB but no playmaker. I challenge anyone to identify what game, or season Nnamdi won or influenced substantially becuause of his great playmaking. I doubt my challenge can be met.
It’s a new day, let’s dump the schlubs and start with new blood.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:39 am
Curry will make more than 2 million this year.
You can print that!
KC thinks Routt is better than Carr. 2 million a year difference to let him walk when they are 60 million under? Pretty obvious they disagree on who is better between Routt and Carr. Especially with a defensive minded coach like Crennell, wouldn’t you say?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Anyone think Curry might be a little better next year actually having a training camp to get used to his guys and the playbook?
February 20th, 2012 at 11:41 am
RR,
Good point. I forgot about Flowers.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:44 am
KC thinks Routt is better than Carr.
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And KC is wrong.
Also, Curry had plenty of time to look like a legitimate player in Seattle. “Learning the playbook” isn’t the problem. Having a very limited skill set is.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
J HILL POST-46,I THINK / HOPE EVERYONE WILL BE BETTER IN2012 WITH NEW STAFF.PLAYERS PLAYING 4 THERE JOBS IS A GOOD THING..
February 20th, 2012 at 11:45 am
And KC is wrong.
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LOL!
Ok, mayne.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Hardline Says:
And quit wanderlusting in your minds for Nnamdi to return.
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Man, it cracks me up when some of you guys try to impress us.
“Wanderlusting in your minds?” Haha. WTF does that even mean?
Wanderlust = A strong desire to wander. It has NOTHING to do with some people wanting Nnamdi back.
We are impressed with the language skills, Hardline troll!
February 20th, 2012 at 11:48 am
I see Curry make big hits, not miss tackles, play fast, play aggressive.
Most of his issues, imo, came in pass coverage against guys I was not surprised to see him get beat by.
The guy was a consensus top 5 pick. I think I’ll wait to see what Allen and Tarver come up with to utilize his skillset before just writing the guy off.
Same with McClain and Huff.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:52 am
WLBs have to cover. That’s part of the job description. If he can’t, that makes him a 2-down player at best.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:52 am
J — There isn’t a guy to be left on the Defense who will not improve…with a strict coaching staff that will demand discipline on the field.
Pete Carroll and Bresnahan/HueJax aren’t exactly known as taskmasters.
D.A. & Tarver = Just what the Defense ordered.
I hope.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:55 am
If he can’t, that makes him a 2-down player at best.
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Disagree.
I think he can be unleashed on the QB. Move him around and let him attack the backfield.
This is where I look for Allen and Tarver to come upwith something.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Curry moves in space very well, very naturally. But, he has issues with bad angles, and either over/under-running his target…there are times where “break-downs,” containment, and other football fundamentals are flung out the window in the name of enthusiasm.
It’s time for discipline on Defense. From penalties to gap assignments…Tarver and D.A. will get it done.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
“We’re hearing former Raider CB Stanford Routt will sign with Division Rival Kansas City Chiefs.”
February 15th 2012
February 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
“We’re hearing former Raider CB Stanford Routt will sign with Division Rival Kansas City Chiefs.”
February 15th 2012
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February 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Curry is fine until he has to turn around, if the play is behind him he gets lost…if the play is in front of him he excels.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
All the best Staniel but we’re going to scorch you at least twice a yr buddy…
February 20th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
If Allen and Tarver turn Curry into a pass-rusher, I’d be very impressed. Coming out of college, that was the one knock on his game – that he wasn’t much of a pass-rusher. He did everything else well, though, so he was considered a pretty safe pick.
Honestly, I hope he restructures. He’s a good fit in Oakland and he does some things well. I just don’t think the Raiders should spend $5 million on him. They’re $11 million over the cap and they have other players who offer more than Curry does at positions that are harder to find in the draft/FA than Curry’s (Huff, Wimbley, Palmer, Branch for example).
February 20th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Pastor Napoleon @napoleonkaufman
Some of you new school Raiders don’t remember the battles we had. KC, SD, Denver. Red, blue or orange are not Raider colors. #realraider
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February 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
56. Oakland needs to let Curry do what he does best just like he did at Wake. Hes a 2 down LB. Not good in coverage but I think he can get to the passer better than McClain.
Everyone bashes “Slowlando” but he played almost from the beginning with a badly twisted ankle.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Cliff Avril?
Have to be wary of a guy who benefitted from a really really good DTs.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Everyone bashes “Slowlando” but he played almost from the beginning with a badly twisted ankle.
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His ankle wasn’t so bad that he couldn’t buy a gun and almost kill a man when he was supposed to be mourning a possibly-fictitious “dead grandfather,” then mug like the fool he is when the cops came.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
HayesDaze37, 51
You call me a troll again, you better be able to prove it Hayes.
I used “wanderlust” in this context as many posters here who long for Nnamdi, a lust of searching and wandering in their own minds, a quest for his return.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Nip Kaufman is keeping it real.
Stanford Routt is no Raider. Stan Routt is one of THEM.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
@#44 Hardline, I agree Nnamdi is not a Great Playmaker, more of a great or maybe very good cover guy. BUT in 2006 the worst season in Raiders history during the Al Davis era, the Raiders only won 2 games that season. 1 of the victories was against the Hated Steelers in a close defensive Battle! Nnamdi had 2 Redzone INTS, 1 in the Endzone, & the other for an 85 or 90 touch down return. I believe the Raiders won 12 to 9, & it was Nnamdi’s best game as a “Playmaker”, & his playmaking almost single handedly beat the Hated Steelers “th@ game!”
February 20th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Back to the Routt signing, if he was as bad as all that why did they give him so much money. He was one of our better defenders, but not worth that contract, maybe like 1. 5 million per with incentives for play and wins
February 20th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Re Curry. Agree with posts 43, 48, 53 and disagree with 46, 52, 55.
Curry is a special teams player and 1 or 2 down linebacker. It was very frustrating to see him bite on the play action, make a bee line to the fake, and there goes the running back catching a swing pass or the tight end slanting to his vacated area. Yet, he kept playing while making the same mistakes over and over. 5 mil for a special teams player who doesn’t have good instincts or plays with some semblance of intelligence- no thanks.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Curry should be tried as a 3-4 ILB
February 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
cfrylopez, #68
I stand corrected Lopez, if what you say is true. It’s too bad Nnamdi couldn’t have had another dozen of those games. Then he could be truly called a shutdown corner of the playmaker variety.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Oooh, Hardline…so threatening!!
Who were you before your Al D. Davis “personality,” Hardline? He didn’t last long, did he? Seems he/you were BANNED for your racist rants, weren’t you? Thus, you need numerous handles in here, just to sign in.
Therefore…Hardline = troll.
Apologize for your racist rants, and I’ll lay off. Otherwise…I will remind people of your true identity every time.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
73. Correct. Same A hole. Convinced hes on the IBA payroll. Keeps the blog active.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
RaiderWeaponX Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Everyone bashes “Slowlando” but he played almost from the beginning with a badly twisted ankle.
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His ankle wasn’t so bad that he couldn’t buy a gun and almost kill a man when he was supposed to be mourning a possibly-fictitious “dead grandfather,” then mug like the fool he is when the cops came.
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The Underwood signing may be an indicator Reggie Mac may not care about that.
Granted Underwear is a 2nd string special teams guy at a cheaper price. All the more reason to hang onto Romac according to Reggie Mac.
Sounds like Ro mac will get every chance.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
We need to restructure a ton of contracts not just cut guys. Of course the players probably feel they could get more money if they were cut (see Routt) vs restructuring
Overpaid = Huff, Seymour, Wimbley, Chris Johnson, Hiram Eugene, McClain, Kelly, DHB, Palmer next year, and Big John Henderson. A lot of those guys are decent or better but they shouldn’t be cap killers
February 20th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
We can’t afford to franchise Bush either, he’s good but not a franchise RB
February 20th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
Good luck KC. Did you watch the film? Did you pay attention when he played you, twice? New HC and DC in Oakland and Al is dead. Routt can’t give you much inside info. I doubt any of the other teams mentioned were serious about Routt. Glad he’s gone the guy was an Al boy nothing more.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
As I posted earlier, it would cost us $8.5 million dollars MORE this year to cut Romac than it would to just keep him.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
When will they award the compensatory picks
February 20th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Don’t forget…ReggieMcK knows Underwood personally.
He’s completely in on whatever the “complete” story is, or however close to it as an outsider can be. Underwood and his ex are no more (and even she said their troubles were blown out-of-proportion).
Just like I trust ReggieMcK to bring success to the Raiders, I trust him to evaluate talent…and the people who have said talent. I trust that Reggie knows the “real” Underwood well enough…or he wouldn’t be bringing that kind of baggage here.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:35 pm
Welp looks likes we can cross lynch off our wish list. Seems seattle are in contract talks with him and could tag him according to PFT
February 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I hear you Joker, plus what would he say, “we just played man to man and tried to learn zone coverage schemes, like cover two”. Let’s see where Bresnahan lands
February 20th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Routt does know our receivers, though…and their tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. He doesn’t need to know the Offense to know how guys play.
I would’ve preferred Routt go anywhere else but the AFC-W. Our former Players seem to have signature games when playing the Raiders…and it’s ALWAYS worse when it comes from in the division.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
I don’t know much about Reggie but I hope his reputation of finding talent is true.
Chris Peterson from Boise St. has been able to put together a winning team year after year with guys that weren’t high school superstars… but with overlooked, smart coachable blue collar athletes.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Routt does know our receivers, though…and their tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. He doesn’t need to know the Offense to know how guys play.
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DMo17 was torching Routt in camp, fresh out of college as a rookie.
If anything that ‘knowledge’ will be a detriment. If he is thinking about tendencies he will get beat and/or commit a penalty
February 20th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
HayesDaze37, # 73
Hayes, you have a particular irritating habit of exuding unjustified superiorty and arrogance. I never challenged any of your opinions – especially by personal attack – in any manner. Indeed, some of what you say has merit; it’s your opinion, you should be left alone to express that opinion.
I have said many times here, for the entire blog to see, my former S/N was AL D. Davis, and that SN was voided by Corky. I didn’t deny it or shirk the responsibility of identifying myself. The only reason anyone knew of my former ID is because I said so.
Also, I have only one SN, “Hardline” and don’t need “numerous handles in here, just to sign in.”
Additionally, almost all of what I said under AL. D. Davis was puffery and hyperbole, so exaggerated that any reasonable person would not believe it as truth.
Even under AL D. Davis I never engaged in personal attacks against individual posters, but kept my subject matter focused on Al Davis, a key staff member (HC) and several grossly underperforming players.
Imprecise language, syntax, or spelling should be no reason for any personal attack by one against another here. It’s prejudicial and insulting to the blog.
I said it before, anyone who calls me a “troll” should be able to prove it factually.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
Additionally, almost all of what I said under AL. D. Davis was puffery and hyperbole, so exaggerated that any reasonable person would not believe it as truth.
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Thats kind of the definition of troll. Posting ridiculous non-sensical trash, and then changing screen names.
Oh, and I recall your Al D Davis posts were ridiculously racist and down right disgusting.
So yeah, I think you just made it easy on Hayes
February 20th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
cfrylopez, #68
Lopez, btw, Nnamdi had his best year in 2006 with 8 INT’s and 11 passes defended. In my humble opinion, if Nnamdi could have put together 4 or 5 seasons like that he would be truly great.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Imprecise language, syntax and spelling aren’t the reasons I call you out as a trouble-making troll:
Al D. Davis Says:
January 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Last night I made the following comment under Corky’s post: “McClain will stand trial.”
“Ebony, sub-moron McClain needs to get his contract rescinded by the Raiders for moral reasons, and sent back to queer-nation with a banana between his teeth for the ape/half-monkey that he is.
I hope he burns over his crimes. Hopefully, he will “f” around in Alabama from whence he came and get capped between the eyes while entertaining some ni.ga nonsense in ‘bama’ ghetto.”
Later I made the following comment under this article submitted by Jerry Mac: “Allen was on a the fast track to HC.”
“McClain fits right into certain sterotypes and will be the cause of his own demise for engaging in nig.a nonsense. But it is all on him.
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So…you’re telling us that just because it’s hyperbole, we shouldn’t be offended by it? It has no place here, yet you think it does. That filth tells us all what you think.
February 20th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
bcz24, 88
I know what you mean. However, I never changed screennames; AL D. Davis was voided. It’s not as if I “hit and run”, posting material I won’t claim and then go away, and change screennames to come back on. I have had only AL D. Davis,(voided by Corky) and this SN, Hardline. I admitted that many times.
What else can I do ??
February 20th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
Looks like someone is about to walk the plank. Again.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
Yes…it’s getting harder to get/keep multiple screennames active in here, isn’t it Hardline? Must just kill your favorite hobby.
And…as for my unjustified superiority and arrogance?? I really like to show it when facing people like you, who call others morons and idiots for not thinking just like them…and then you use phrases like “wanderlusting for Nnamdi’s return.”
If you’re going to tell people how to think, Hardline — You should at least know how to form a sentence that makes sense. Spelling mistakes, be damned…at least make some sense, smart guy.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
It will cost the Texans $22 million to tag Mario Williams.
Sign Mario Williams!!
February 20th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
HayesDaze37, #90
Hayes,
McClain was put in his position with $23M guaranteed money by the fans who bought Raiders tickets and memorabilia. His total disrespect – refusing to do interviews, blowing his talent and promise of greatness over nonsense – toward the fans and nation spawned my anger towards him. I waited a long time for the Raiders to get a good draft pick at MLB, especially after drafting JaMarcus, and we get McClain. It was pure insult by McClain to all of us, and my wrath ran deep.
If McClain had owned up to his performance on-field, submitted to interviews, etc. to explain himself, it would have been okay. To me, I felt like he slapped me right in the face, especially with his gunplay behavior in ALA.
I told everyone on this blog that I overdid it in the past, and I did apologize for that.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:13 pm
Hayes,
hmmmmm…….another thing, when did I ever call a poster in here a moron or an idiot ?? Never.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Cry me a river. You “overdid” it in the past. It’s not that you overdid something…it’s WHAT you did in the first place. Way to skirt the topic.
Anyway, I’ll go back to football now…I do like that much more, believe it or not.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
“What else can I do ??”
I was banned here once, about 4 years ago so I went to PFT and started blogging there until my 2 weeks of banishment was over then I came back.
Pretty simple really….
February 20th, 2012 at 1:27 pm
It will cost the Texans $22 million to tag Mario Williams.
Sign Mario Williams!!
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No thanks…signing 1 guy to this kinda of loot is fiscally irresponsible. If this were MLB I would say yes however 22 milly, you can fill some other holes in F/A or otherwise…
I will pass, I would be shocked if we go after any big name free’s….
February 20th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
defending DMOE, JFORD and DHB in practice is one thing…
Any of these 3 one on one with Routt will eat him alive 9 out of 10 times…
February 20th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
He led the league in penalties and he is getting $19 million?
Unbelievable.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:34 pm
Franchise Bush.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
19 milly for routt is unbelievable…Someone made a point earlier that he wont get as many penalties as he is no longer with the Raids…would be interesting to see if he is called less….
February 20th, 2012 at 1:35 pm
I hope you’re right, Thec. As long as they beat him most of the time…and most importantly, at crucial moments.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
I don’t know about franchising anybody… I am not sure that MBUSH is going to command what he thinks he is going to get on the open market…
February 20th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Silverandblack666, #98,
Silver and Black,
One day I went to log into the blog and my SN of several years no longer worked. So I created a new one and within a few minutes I was back on the blog.
Some here accuse me of holding multiple SN’s, and coming on and off the blog, making statement I won’t own.
That’s just not true.
So Silver and Black, you were banned for doing what ? I noticed your posts are reasonable.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
whats good Hayes, I believe they can/will beat routt like a drum…
DMOE came on early as a rook, I am sure that he was giving routt some of that business in practice.
Key point you made was “crucial moments”…
this is VITAL to the success of the offensive unit…
February 20th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
Stanford Routt has ben a turnstile into the end zone for years. I am glad he’s in KC now. He sucks.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
the GM for KC must be on some “other world” hallucinatory…
February 20th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I don’t know about franchising anybody… I am not sure that MBUSH is going to command what he thinks he is going to get on the open market
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I like Bush alot but I’ve got to agree with this. Let him test the water and see if he can get big money.
If he can get it…great, good for you Mike and best of luck. I do hope he stays a Raider though.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
I sure don’t want to see M Bush land in the AFC West.
February 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Carson Palmer struggled versus KC in two games last season …
NOT ANYMORE!
toast, anyone?
February 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
I do hope he stays a Raider though.
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Agreed…
February 20th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
believe it or not, a cuneiform tablet excavated from the site of the ancient Mesopotamian city of Uruk translates as ‘Any contract that fulfills the ultimate goal is a good contract. Any contract that fails to fulfill the ultimate goal is a poor one.’
- the Sumerian salary cap explained
February 20th, 2012 at 1:57 pm
I sure don’t want to see M Bush land in the AFC West
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where could twinkle toes go?
SD to replace Tolbert?
KC to replace Thomas Jones & Jackie Battle?
Denver is set …
February 20th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
my guess is he lands in Washington with Ratface
February 20th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
If routt 10 or less penalties this yr, can we just admit raider uni’s draw more yellow..?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Carson Palmer struggled versus KC in two games last season …
NOT ANYMORE!
toast, anyone?
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Yeah, I’ll take mine especially toasted, with missed jam at the line…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
What part of bush saying I want to start, dont you guys get?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
As an admitted MBush29 backer, I’ve still got to say…
$7 million isn’t overpaying for Bush…it’s the going rate for a guy like him hitting the market, for his first two years on a new deal.
Here or elsewhere, MBush29, or a guy as talented, is going to be paid somewhere around $10-12 million guaranteed…on a deal much like the one we just heard about for Routt.
For all in here who say let Bush go, because Taiwan can be the #2…I say, when has Taiwan shown he can be even #3? Until he’s used to the daily rigors of NFL life, and his body can be counted on for more than a few games at a time, Taiwan Jones is just a fanciful pipe-dream fo us. Even when healthy, Taiwan hasn’t exploded like we hoped he would.
Picture this: Bush is gone. DMC is healthy in July. Taiwan is the clear #2-to-be. DMC tweaks a foot in the 2nd preseason game. Taiwan shows some flashes in preseason, but we must not overuse him/get him hurt. The new guy, LMiller shows some promise, but he’s raw. DMC starts a game or two, aggravates his foot injury, and now we need Taiwan to be #1. Is Taiwan ready to play? 70%+ of the downs?
I say we find a way to keep Bush…keep or trade DMC because he’s superstar-talented, with an affordable contract. We could replace DMC with somebody we hope can be more durable, and nearly as exlosive…but DON’T do it with an unknown/unproven, or an old RB like Benson). Regardless, we better HOPE once more that Taiwan Jones is ready for the NFL.
Of course, we could find a way to bring in Matt Forte! In my dreams.
Or…a more explosive version of Cedric Benson = LaGarrette Blount.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
Re: McClain
Only a bad injury to his hip or ankle/leg is a valid explanation for how slow McClain is.
Not following college football much at all, I don’t know if he looked faster in college. Yes, I realize the system was different, but does anyone hear recall having seen McClain in college actually be quicker? Tackle with more authority?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
hear=here
February 20th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
HayesDaze,
Taiwan has had injury issues for a while which is why he ended up at EWashington (where he was also hurt) rather than a bigger school.
Love the way the kid can play but if a team’s RBs are McInjury and Jones that team might wanna be planning on the #3 RB getting a ton of work.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:12 pm
chester taylor would be a nice back up
February 20th, 2012 at 2:13 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
Taiwan has had injury issues for a while which is why he ended up at EWashington (where he was also hurt) rather than a bigger school.
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I thought he ended up at Eastern Washington because his then-undiagnosed dyslexia caused him to bomb the SATs to where he couldn’t get an FBS scholarship.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
Routt only had one good year in 7, and that was mostly due to subjective statistics collected by a website? 10 career ints in 7 years? You’d think he’d accidently get more than that, especially being tested so much on the other side of Asum. The eyeball test never looked that great to me… and he’s always been a PI waiting to happen. He’d prolly be really good in the pre-no-contact era… but isn’t instinctive enough to garner these types of contracts. Whose calling the shots with the Chiefs these days? This is a head-scratcher.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:16 pm
120. Can I picture bush giving up sacks every 3rd & long for 7.7 mill? Yeah, do I want to ? No.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
125. True
February 20th, 2012 at 2:17 pm
RaiderDuck,
the big schools can always find a way around the academics if they really wish to do so.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
I think you’re both right on T. Jones.
If I recall he was nursing an injury before the draft. Then got injured last season with limited snaps.
Fumble issues in his college days also raise a ?
Hope the best for him, if Jones bulks up a little he could be fun to watch.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
Cincy already has a Michael Bush type in Cedric Benson. Why would they want him. Besides, Bush is not a franchise RB. Good powerback granted, but not someone I’d franchise tag. $2.5-3 mil max.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Old Chester would be a good backup RB. I’ve always liked him. But, he wouldn’t be my primary backup. He’s still explosive, but he’s aging.
Just like my WR’s…give me young, healthy legs on any “new” player we bring in. With very few exceptions, if any, to that rule.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Curious, if our D changes to a 3-4, then Wimbley will only be on passing downs al la Aldon Smith???
Dude is getting paid a whole lot of cheddar to be situtational pass rusher…
Since Sulli’s mom canceled her internet, it’s been peaceful in here…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
Chester Taylor” legs are shot and not the back for sure I saw at Univ of Toledo.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:24 pm
My problem with Bush is he lost that 1st explosive step. Instead of getting by the tackles, he got bottled up at the line or got his 3 yrds.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:29 pm
Routt is a good player there is no doubt about that. But right now I would rather have Brandon Carr.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
as long as Tarver doesn’t go with the 9 LB formation that Rob Ryan tried using against Favre inside the 4 yd line a few of years ago I really don’t care what the multi-look base D is.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
as long as Tarver doesn’t go with the 9 LB formation that Rob Ryan tried using against Favre inside the 4 yd line a few of years ago I really don’t care what the multi-look base D is.
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Tarver’s a more innovative defensive mind than either of the Ryan boys. No worries.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:33 pm
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Imprecise language, syntax and spelling aren’t the reasons I call you out as a trouble-making troll:
Al D. Davis Says:
January 26th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Last night I made the following comment under Corky’s post: “McClain will stand trial.”
“Ebony, sub-moron McClain needs to get his contract rescinded by the Raiders for moral reasons, and sent back to queer-nation with a banana between his teeth for the ape/half-monkey that he is.
I hope he burns over his crimes. Hopefully, he will “f” around in Alabama from whence he came and get capped between the eyes while entertaining some ni.ga nonsense in ‘bama’ ghetto.”
Later I made the following comment under this article submitted by Jerry Mac: “Allen was on a the fast track to HC.”
“McClain fits right into certain sterotypes and will be the cause of his own demise for engaging in nig.a nonsense. But it is all on him.
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So…you’re telling us that just because it’s hyperbole, we shouldn’t be offended by it? It has no place here, yet you think it does. That filth tells us all what you think.
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This nonsense you speak of, is that what Vick, Lewis, Caruth, Irvin, Plax, Kobe Bryant, D Russell, Tyson, Pacman Jones, O.J., L. Taylor, Bonds, Prime Time, Andre Rison, Brandon Marshell, C. Henry, Lenard Little and Mop Handle got into? Seems this thing us contagiou.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
the chefs will keep their corners and routt…spells trouble for the raiders….mck and allen destroying this team…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
RaiderDuck,
I am curious to witness what a microbilogist/biochemist can formulate as an Xs and Os strategist.
Failing that he can always spike the other team’s gatorade with some nasty compound.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:37 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
the chefs will keep their corners and routt…spells trouble for the raiders….mck and allen destroying this team…
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No, Al was destroying this team. Offering a top-five contract to the 89th-most effective CB was one example.
Big Mac and Allen are REBUILDING the team, and doing it the right way, I might add.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
RaiderDuck,
I am curious to witness what a microbilogist/biochemist can formulate as an Xs and Os strategist.
Failing that he can always spike the other team’s gatorade with some nasty compound.
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Heh. They’d better guard their refreshments REAL well.
Seriously, look up Tarver’s video on YouTube where he talks about his ideas for effective D. The man sounds like he knows what he’s talking about.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:39 pm
M. Bush rushed for 977 yds with 7 TDs. He also gained 418 yds on 38 receptions for 1 TD. As a starter with a full season, Bushed probably would have have gained over 1800 yds, rushing and receiving, and scored 12 TD’s. Also, in his limited role in 2011, but for Hue’s non-creative use of Bush, Bush probably would have gained more yardage and points.
In 7 games last season McFadden rushed for 614 yds, and scored 4 TDs. He also caught 19 passes for 154 yds and 1 TD.
If McFadden goes down for the season on schedule by the 7th or 8th game, we need Bush to fill in. It may be that Bush becomes #1, McFadden becomes #2 this year. This might save McFadden from injury.
We are clueless regarding Jones; in his very limited application last year, Jones wasn’t encouraging.
If we just toss Bush away, it will be impossible to fill his shoes at our greatest time of need. He should be paid for what he is worth; I see no running back on the horizon who can perform as well as Bush for the Raiders this upcoming season.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:40 pm
Fire and Reload…
Draft either Darrel Scott or Bobby Rainey to replace Bush for a fraction of the price and move on…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
ok duck the team will reflect that right? this was a playoff team they should be there for the next few years right?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
you guys crack me up trying to run an nfl team like a repuke-ican…fiscally sound…lol
February 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
Finnegan is a top-five free agent cornerback, along with Brent Grimes, Brandon Carr, Carlos Rogers, and Terrell Thomas.
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Which one of the 5?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:42 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:41 pm
ok duck the team will reflect that right? this was a playoff team they should be there for the next few years right?
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No, this WASN’T a playoff team. This was a team that went 8-8 in a very weak division, and wilted when it mattered most.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:45 pm
Lowdown_in_Beijing,
who is Darrel Scott Bobby Rainey ?
February 20th, 2012 at 2:52 pm
Carr first, Finnegan next.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:53 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:35 pm
….mck and allen destroying this team…
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We haven’t been to the playoffs in 10 years. Good that they are destroying this team.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:54 pm
Hmmm, a lot of football being discussed in here. Weird. What happened to the freak show…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
JLofty..don’t jinx it!
February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
Yeah, I am ok with the blow it up and rebuild it. We gotta lot to re-align, re-adjust and re-coup. I’ll be there either way…
February 20th, 2012 at 2:55 pm
List of RB’s in this years draft!
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/prospectrankings/TSX/2012_RB
February 20th, 2012 at 2:56 pm
Bush’s stats were made before he tired or other teams schemed him. Last 4 games totals: 83 rushes for 291 yrds, 3.5 yrds per carry, 1 td, longest carry 18 yrds week 15 against Detroit.
Can’t believe he deserves a franchise tag. Stat speak.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:32 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:30 pm
as long as Tarver doesn’t go with the 9 LB formation that Rob Ryan tried using against Favre inside the 4 yd line a few of years ago I really don’t care what the multi-look base D is.
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Tarver’s a more innovative defensive mind than either of the Ryan boys. No worries.
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LOL,”innovative defensive mind”.
Tarver is a rookie and a unknown. We know nothing about how he will be as a DC. What a dumb comment.
February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Sorry Ray. But in my nearly 40 years as a R8r fan I don’t believe in the jinx any more. And the freak show seems to go on and on with or without me…
Maybe Cork was/is succesful in cleaning things up!
February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
Tarver is the defensive line coach.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I really like Bush but have a hard time thinking he is worth the franchise tag or the ~$8mil to sign him. I am more inclined to go with the approach GB used in the last decade, develop guys, have guys in the wings waiting to get a chance. RBs are out there, it takes a good scouting department/talent evaluator to find them. I think we improved in that regard in the past several months.
No disrespect to Al Davis but an 81 yo man watching tape in bed is NOT how you find and develop a farm system of young stud RBs….
February 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
And Bush needs to take part in the Jerry Rice offseason conditioning clinic if he wants to be the #1 man in an NFL backfield. And learn how to block…
Scholarships are no longer being handed out at 1220 Harbourbay Parkway!
February 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
No disrespect to Al Davis but an 81 yo man watching tape in bed is NOT how you find and develop a farm system of young stud RBs….
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Wow, really???????
February 20th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
so duck they will not be in the playoffs? How is that different then with Al?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:07 pm
my two cents,
Raiders have to keep the best players on the team. The issue with Routt goes all the way back to losing Nnamdi.( even though there are idiotic fans think otherwise) Good teams pay for a commodity, the raiders pay for potential.
Routt had to go based on penalties and redzone TD’s and for the amount he was being paid.
MBush is an interesting case, because I feel that the Raiders FO has no choice but to Tag M.Bush. there to much uncertainty about Mcfadden and TJ ( And there is no one in the draft that can replace him, esp the late 3-4 rds)
DMAC isnt going anywhere. He is a proven player when healthy and i think many of you forgot how good he is when healthy. And i read/hear of all the injury issues, RB’s get injuried. Do you hear the VIkings talking of trading Peterson, even though he was tagged as an injury prone player in College and had 2 big injuries in the NFL. He isnt going anywhere.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
with routt on the chefs, none of the raider recievers will be getting open…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:10 pm
I do agree, the Raiders, when Al was alive, paid for potential, not production.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
Fine then Olinesux, we run him over…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:11 pm
If KC locks-up Carr, they’re going to have a good Defensive backfield.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:12 pm
Darrel Scott played at South Florida (I believe) 6′1 235-240ish. Most boards have him going in the 5th round…some history of injuries, coming out of college early..
Rainey is built like Darren Sproles, 5′7” 210. Fast, powerfull, has moves…
Not saying either one of these cats have produced at an NFL yet, just great prospects and they will come cheap.
Spend that 7 Million you save on Bush and sign a NT to tutor Travis Ivey.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Bush go for 1800yrds? Yeah right.
He gets tired
The D keys in on the 3 runs we can call for him
The D knows when we will pass cause bush has to come out…
He has never shown the ability to stay healthy either..
Draft a new guy… Duh
7.7 mil. Get the f out of here
February 20th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
DaTruth, if I am not mistaken Peterson has been 3x more durable than McFadden in his NFL career.
I also disagree that RB’s aren’t out there to replace Bush. It may not be in the draft though. Where did that young stud Houston got come from? Or the young stud they dumped with him? A LOT of great running backs are MADE not just plucked from an SEC/Pac12 school.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
No disrespect to Al Davis but an 81 yo man watching tape in bed is NOT how you find and develop a farm system of young stud RBs….
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Wow, really???????
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Tell that to Mike Brown the owner and GM of the Cincinnatti Bungholes. Since he has no idea about player evaluations personally and has no scouting department, he goes exclusively with the Mel Kiper system. Seriously.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
There was nobody to give Bush a blow, late last year. He carried the whole load.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
161&162 right on
February 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:01 pm
I really like Bush but have a hard time thinking he is worth the franchise tag or the ~$8mil to sign him. I am more inclined to go with the approach GB used in the last decade, develop guys, have guys in the wings waiting to get a chance.
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Quality depth in the league is at an all time low. You really need to have quality depth at the skill positions. That being said I don’t think I would franchise Mike, as much as I like him.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
But Kell that is how it is for a number one RB who wants to be “the man.”
February 20th, 2012 at 3:17 pm
K2…really?
Did you have do that?
Not 1, but 2 intentionaly fouls?
Really?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:18 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:15 pm
Tell that to Mike Brown the owner and GM of the Cincinnatti Bungholes. Since he has no idea about player evaluations personally and has no scouting department, he goes exclusively with the Mel Kiper system. Seriously.
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Never concerned myself with Mike Brown. Only Al Davis.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:19 pm
I am not sure that is true SeymourBush but hopefully building a quality org as Reggie is attempting to do will help find more gems that are out there.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:20 pm
There has only been a few guys who could be an everydown back at m.bushs’ size.. And he isnt one of them.. Get the west coast brandon jacobs outa here!
February 20th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
Yeah Kell, my co-worker is from Ohio (used to work for the Raiders in Alameda-has lots of stories) and he tells me funny schit about the Bungles all the time.
Why do you think Carson Palmer retired rather than continue working there?
But you have to give Brown some credit, his team looked a LOT better in 2011, stud D, rookie QB who could actaully play, not just cash No1 overall type paychecks…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:13 pm
Bush go for 1800yrds? Yeah right.
Marks, I meant that Bush as #1, if utilized properly, could probably rush and catch for 1800 yds in a season: 1200 rushing, 600 catching.
He already had 977 rushing and 418 catching, totaling 1388. Bush is no panacea, but, we have a lot more pressing needs on D to spend much time tinkering w/Bush on O.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Always felt Al stayed around for the first fews rounds and then bailed…
Raiders had a lot of gems in the 5th-7th rounds…
Biekert, Rod Coleman, Eric barton Grady Jackson, etc…
There are lots of gems out there now that Al’s shadow no longer looms large on draft day.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
I think with the way the NFL is these days, with the concussions and injuries and players not being quite like they were in the “old days,” that talent evaluators and the organizations that provide a stable farm system type pipeline are going to rise to the top. I think the Patriots, Steelers among several others, have been exploiting this for some time. The Raiders and Al Davis always operated like a Dave Kingman at-bat. Swing for a home run every time, hope you connect. It didn’t work much, hadn’t worked for a long time, and the last guy who got even close (Gruden) got run out of town and failed when he landed there.
I like the approach taken so far. Get some young coaches who like to work hard and do what they do, and build a solid org from which to build depth and talent.
Should be fun to watch…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:28 pm
Bush’s yrds per carry declines every year.
2009 4.8
2010 4.1
2011 3.9
Sound like a guy deserving the franchise tag?
Get real.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:29 pm
183. I love bush and his skills for about 3.5mil.. But he want to start, so it will cost us 7.7 mil.. Send him packing.. Draft a new guy, or bring in a fa. Whats to tinker with?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:30 pm
Oh and find someone in the org who can FIND & DEVELOP QBs. Critical.
Not just one either. Gotta have >1 for when the top guy gets clocked and has to sit a few weeks on the new concussion protocol that will be implemented soon.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:32 pm
187. Exactly. Plus he’s getting old..
the only way bush gets 1800 yds is by sacrificing the offense..
February 20th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
You look so proud and happy about this fact. You are a scumbag and a filthy old creep.
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
What does the list of fa fs look like?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
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Twice as many homes than you have sold in your wretched career as a realtor.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
wow.. great reading today… seemingly sans sockpuppets
February 20th, 2012 at 3:45 pm
Wow a great off season so far. KC, thank you very much. Now DHB can pretend to be Bowe and run hitches all day long. Ford can do crossing patterns. D Moore can take him deep and get that flag. Then when we get into the redzone take him inside for a quick post slant. WTF was KC thinking. Yeah Baby!
February 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
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Twice as many homes than you have sold in your wretched career as a realtor.
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F you, you dumb pos.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
RaidO Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:57 pm
Tarver is a rookie and a unknown. We know nothing about how he will be as a DC. What a dumb comment.
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We can look at the defensive schemes he ran and what he talks about for an idea of the kind of pro DC he would be. We can also learn from what the people who have coached with him and played for him know.
Before you comment on a football blog, it may behoove you to learn what football is. You can start by learning the shape of the ball, and go from there.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:37 pm
You look so proud and happy about this fact. You are a scumbag and a filthy old creep.
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Wassa matter BrownStains, your trailer reeking, today?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
so duck they will not be in the playoffs? How is that different then with Al?
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We may not get to the playoffs this year. But if a losing season is part of a greater master plan to build a consistent winner, I’m all for it. Al had NO plan (or at least no workable one) for the last decade of his life.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
Great comeback KK now tell us again how you despise name calling. Filthy a$$ mope!
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
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Twice as many homes than you have sold in your wretched career as a realtor.
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F you, you dumb pos.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I bet routt cuts his flags in half.. They didnt overpay him either.. I just hope we can nab carr.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
The truth hurts huh KK?
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:46 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
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Twice as many homes than you have sold in your wretched career as a realtor.
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F you, you dumb pos.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Via, Doug Farrar of Yahoo sports on Routt:
SC_DougFarrar Seriously, I like the Routt move for Chiefs. Good defensive fundamentals and Routt’s 2011 was more about crap defensive coaching.
about 5 hours ago
Glennblabs @SC_DougFarrar Ya mean like Rolando Mcclain on Calvin Johnson ?! That coaching . He’s good . Just not as good as that silly Raider contract
about 5 hours ago
SC_DougFarrar @Glennblabs Yep — cornerbacks expected to play run support in 3-WR sets and linebackers playing zones they coudn’t play. Not a seminar.
about 5 hours ago
SC_DougFarrar Minor point: Stanford Routt didn’t lead the NFL in called penalties last year. He had 17/0 declined. Brandon Browner had 19/3 declined.
about 3 hours ago
SC_DougFarrar @shanky3putt Example: Routt had eight of his penalties called in a two-week period (Weeks 15-16) and only one from Weeks 8-12.
about 2 hours ago
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Even though I think Routt is over rated. I hope he doesn’t come back to haunt us for three years…..
February 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
The truth hurts huh KK?
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Ooooh, I’m sooooo hurt, BrownStains…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
KK Munster, gas prices have doubled since our failure prez took office. Almost 5.00 a gallon, cool? Same goes for foreclosures and debt has tripled, no ?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
The Bengals have been to the playoffs, twice as many times as the Raiders the last 10 years, ok?
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Hence my post #152.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:53 pm
KK Munster, your comments on #196 look to me like he struck a nerve!
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Ooooh, I’m sooooo hurt, BrownStains…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:49 pm
I bet routt cuts his flags in half.. They didnt overpay him either.. I just hope we can nab carr.
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Routt has reached his potential. Brandon Carr still has some upside. Dennis Allen could really do a nice job with that player. I don’t think he could do anything with Stan Routt.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
JLofty Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:14 pm
DaTruth, if I am not mistaken Peterson has been 3x more durable than McFadden in his NFL career.
I also disagree that RB’s aren’t out there to replace Bush. It may not be in the draft though. Where did that young stud Houston got come from? Or the young stud they dumped with him? A LOT of great running backs are MADE not just plucked from an SEC/Pac12 school
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I would not say peterson is 3X more durable then DMAC and what are you basing this from. Peterson was riddled with injuries his last 3 years at OU, to the point were if he was healthy, he was projected to be #1 pick. As compared to DMAC who played every game his last 2 years at for Arkansas
its comedic how people reacted when DMAC got Turf toe, in that people assume its not a serious injury or doesnt take team to heal. And now he gets injured this year and people are calling for his head.
So by some people logic, if Adrain Peterson, Jamal Charles, and Chris Johnson should be traded if they experience another season ending injury?
And I played Pac 10 (12) ball… And have followed NCAA football for 6 years, so please name one RB that will develop into a starters? in the late rds?
February 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
MistaBrown Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
KK Munster, gas prices have doubled since our failure prez took office. Almost 5.00 a gallon, cool? Same goes for foreclosures and debt has tripled, no ?
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Stfu, dumbass. You’re too stooopid, to discuss anything with.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:56 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:08 pm
with routt on the chefs, none of the raider recievers will be getting open…
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Sure they will. Either that, or they’ll just pick up the PI’s…
February 20th, 2012 at 3:57 pm
Good comeback Munster! We can put 0hbama on food stamps when he leaves office this election, right ?
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:55 pm
Stfu, dumbass. You’re too stooopid, to discuss anything with.
February 20th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
KK Munster, just name calling today no facts for rebuttal?
lol
February 20th, 2012 at 3:58 pm
909. Good post. Of course he’ll come back to haunt us. AL was a dope about his dbs.. Let woodson go. Inflated namdis salary untill we couldnt afford him. Then did the same with routt. F-ing dumb.. He drafts more corners than anyone else, but our sec is always weak.. And our safties are just track bodies most of the time…
February 20th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
199.RaiderDuck Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
olinesux Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 3:04 pm
so duck they will not be in the playoffs? How is that different then with Al?
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We may not get to the playoffs this year. But if a losing season is part of a greater master plan to build a consistent winner, I’m all for it. Al had NO plan (or at least no workable one) for the last decade of his life.
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Al’s plan was to win this year and mortgage subsequent years draft picks or cap room if you had too. No need for a long term plan when you are 83,in failing health and all you want is another ring before you pass.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:01 pm
If you price gasoline in terms of gold (real money), it is no more expensive than it has ever has been. It’s the dollar that is losing value.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Well KoolKell, maybe with your connections, fine track record and past history in the industry, you can get the listings for Stanford Routt’s and Michael Bush’s homes. They probably could wait the 10 yrs it would take for you to sell them. lol
February 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
FreddieB Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Al’s plan was to win this year and mortgage subsequent years draft picks or cap room if you had too. No need for a long term plan when you are 83,in failing health and all you want is another ring before you pass.
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Absolutely, been saying the same thing for years.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:03 pm
FreddieB Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:00 pm
Al’s plan was to win this year and mortgage subsequent years draft picks or cap room if you had too. No need for a long term plan when you are 83,in failing health and all you want is another ring before you pass.
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It’s a sad irony that he wanted one more ring more than ANYTHING else, yet his management style guaranteed we weren’t going to get anywhere near one.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Yeah all you do is repeat the same garbage over & over, for years!
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KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Absolutely, been saying the same thing for years.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:04 pm
Very true. Al was good with corners’s. I bet Routt makes the pro bowl next year. He will be a part of a better system and better defense. Take away the penalties and he’s a pretty decent DB.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Well KoolKell, maybe with your connections, fine track record and past history in the industry, you can get the listings for Stanford Routt’s and Michael Bush’s homes. They probably could wait the 10 yrs it would take for you to sell them.
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I’m doing just fine, thanks. Maybe should worry about your own dire circumstances. Lol.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
909Raider,
Doug Farrar has no frickin clue what he is talking about on Routt. Those national writers dont follow teams on a daily basis like us on this blog. They have to follow the entire league vs us focusing on our team only.
Routt gave up 5 of 8 TDs last year on the same quick slant to the post in the redzone. I believe he was responsible for 7 TDs in the redzone. I hated that effer and did my homework on him. I took crap on this blog when Al gave him the contract and KK/others kept on telling me how great his stats were. 17 flags and 8 tds. That’s like giving up 3 points per game and at least extend 1 drive to the opposition.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
SC_DougFarrar @Glennblabs Yep — cornerbacks expected to play run support in 3-WR sets and linebackers playing zones they coudn’t play. Not a seminar.
about 5 hours ago
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LBs playing zones they couldn’t cover, YA!
Not giving up on Curry bruh.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
So we cant talk to any fa’s, cause the havent been cut like routt right?
February 20th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
So we can’t talk to any FA’s, ’cause they haven’t been cut like Routt, right?
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Exactly. We have to wait until the new league year begins in three weeks or so.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:11 pm
SC_DougFarrar @shanky3putt Example: Routt had eight of his penalties called in a two-week period (Weeks 15-16) and only one from Weeks 8-12.
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8 penalties in 2 games and half of them were BS!
1 penalty weeks 8-12
8 penalties week 1-7
Routt was a damn good corner for us in an outdated scheme. He’ll be much better under a DC like Crennell.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
FWIW, the next big free agent to hit the market will be Peyton Manning, assuming the Colts don’t want to keep him. They’ll have to release him at some point before March 8th.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:07 pm
I hated that effer and did my homework on him. I took crap on this blog when Al gave him the contract and KK/others kept on telling me how great his stats were. 17 flags and 8 tds. That’s like giving up 3 points per game and at least extend 1 drive to the opposition.
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I told you how great Routt’s stats were? Do you have any evidence of that?
February 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:10 pm
Marks hair Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:09 pm
So we can’t talk to any FA’s, ’cause they haven’t been cut like Routt, right?
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Exactly. We have to wait until the new league year begins in three weeks or so.
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They’re tampering like a mofo right now. No worries gents. I doubt the agents are sitting idle by. PFT recently reported that tampering is going off right now.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:13 pm
I’m outta here. Understand DMAC would practice tomorrow if there was going to be a game Sunday. Trying to find out the price of tickets and when will they go on sale in Cincy as I’m going to that game. Just a short trip down I-75. Good night Raider Nation, that even includes KK.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
KK,
Dont back track now dude. You were one of the guys that waived the low completion % vs Routt at the end of 2010 season. I aint got time to go back and google. Dont make me make you look bad.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Oh I bet.. Belicheat and rex are cheatin it up right now..
February 20th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder, I’ve forgotten more about the Raiders than you will ever know, peanut.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:15 pm
Routt is a No.2 corner not no.1. Routt will fit well with Flowers, and I expect him be closer to the player he was in Oakland in 2010 than the 2011 version. Routt was solid as the No.2 cornerback to Nnamdi.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
aig-raiders Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:12 pm
They’re tampering like a mofo right now. No worries gents. I doubt the agents are sitting idle by. PFT recently reported that tampering is going off right now.
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Of course it is. Nothing official can happen, but if Reggie or someone else in our front office goes golfing with, say, Tracy Porter’s agent, who knows WHAT will or will not be discussed on the Back 9?
February 20th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Ok let’s see if da refs are not so quick to throw flags on Routt now that he iz no longer in a raiders uni…
Even though he made it hard to argue
One Nation
Unda God
February 20th, 2012 at 4:16 pm
Routt has zero football IQ and Greg Pappa admitted a few weeks ago on the radio that Routt refused to acknowledge his flag problems. There’s a reason why the dude gave up 5 tds on the same quick slant route. And I doubt Rod Woodson was happy with Routt playing the defender’s face vs turning around to play the ball. You’d think after a 2 the guy would make adjustments.
Typical track star trying to play football.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:17 pm
Aig-Raiders Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:14 pm
KK,
Dont back track now dude. You were one of the guys that waived the low completion % vs Routt at the end of 2010 season. I aint got time to go back and google. Dont make me make you look bad.
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I thought the Routt deal was ridiculous.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:18 pm
As Dakota said it best in describing Routt….dude dry humps his WR all day long. No wonder why they throw flags at him.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I wld hav thought da pats wld hav tried 2 sign Routt wit the history we hav wit dem swappin players but I guess dey get a coner in da draft wit all those picks dey hav
February 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
This signing confirms that people in the know are of the belief that Routt is far better than most Raiders fans are giving him credit for. He is now being paid in line with his ability, about $6-7 million per year. Which indicates a very good player, just not an elite one like we were paying him with the $10 million per year deal.
Jerry and others have chosen to focus solely on the penalties and TDs allowed issues from 2011. But what about the fact that he’s allowed one of the lowest completion percentages against over the last two seasons?
Touchdowns are a tricky, fickle stat. I don’t believe this has been a consistent problem for Routt and it’s quite common to see players’ TDs scored and TDs allowed totals swing wildly from year to year. Some years a receiver will have 4 TDs and the next year he’ll have 14 TDs with similar yardage numbers.
Plus, shedding the Silver & Black should reduce the number of penalties called on him by half.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:19 pm
I dont have, or care about routts stats. But he played alot of very solid corner for us. He was put on that island way more than any other db in the league, and his coaches sucked.. AL paid him WAY too much $$ and it forced us to cut him.. Alot like he did with namdi
February 20th, 2012 at 4:22 pm
Vs Miami – Bess killed Routt on crossing patterns.
Vs KC – Dwayne Bowe would be open all day running hitches.
vs the Redzone – Opposing OC’s discovered that Routt couldnt handle the quick slant to the post.
The only pattern he has any chance of defending is the deep bomb which plays to his speed. It’s no coincidence teams started to run quick slants on him in the 2nd half of the season whenever they were in the redzone.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:25 pm
244. I agree with the slant prob.. Yuck. But he’ll be a #2 guy now with more help to the inside..
February 20th, 2012 at 4:26 pm
I doubt very seriously a defensive guy with the reputation of Romeo Crennel would replace a top flight corner like Carr with a guy who has ZERO football IQ.
Pretty sure did their homework on the guy too.
Do you know how easy quick slant are to complete?
A 5 yd pass against man to man coverage?
You either take away the fade and sideline or the slant. The guy is not Revis for goodness sakes.
I bet Allen and Tarver have a guy in that area instead of asking the corners to do so much inside our own 10 yard line.
I could see if Routt was getting toasted for TDs. But 5 yd “quick slants”???
February 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
dude dry humps his WR all day long.
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Weeks 1-7 = 1 penalty per game
Weeks 8-12 = 1 total penalty
February 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
The chefs secondary will be whatever. Im worried about us
February 20th, 2012 at 4:30 pm
Completion% vs the DB is one of the most overrated stats imho in football. The db gets the credit even if the a wide open WR drops the ball. It gave Routt that big fat contract and we all saw how well Routt played for us this year.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:33 pm
I know now that routt doesnt wear s&b anymore that he such huge bags of dk and bla bla bla.. But this is just another example of AL being stupid with his money.. Its costed us for yrs.. New era!
February 20th, 2012 at 4:34 pm
DaTruth, based on facts. Do I really have to Google that schyt for you?
Peterson: played 72 games in his 5 year career. Missed 7. Damn productive in that span wouldn’t you say?
McFadden: played 45 out of 64 games in his 4 yr career. Missing 19 games. I’ll even do the math for you. That is almost 3x as many games as McFadden missed.
I am no McFadden hater, bro, but his production has only shown a GLIMPSE of Peterson’s ACTUAL output. Fact.
And if could sit here from my keyboard and tell you what college RB was going to be the next Arian Foster, I sure as h3ll wouldn’t be here googling stats and adding up the math for YOU. Playa.
Foster is a good example of UFA RB talent that can be stockpiled by good talent evaluators. Ryan Grant of GB is another…
February 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Vs Miami – Bess killed Routt on crossing patterns.
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Bess had 4 catches for 27 yds.
What does killed mean?
February 20th, 2012 at 4:35 pm
Sucks huge bags of dks.. Sorry
February 20th, 2012 at 4:37 pm
Weeks 1-7 = 1 penalty per game
Weeks 8-12 = 1 total penalty
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That means from week 13 to week 17 he gave up 9 flags. And at our most important stretch of the season, he absolutely stunk up the joint.
If my memory is correct, this is when Lito earned the starting spot on the other side and can’t be a coincidence that this was about the time teams started attacking Routt. That prob explains why he gave more tds during this time as well (if my memory is correct).
February 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
*-”That is almost 3x as many games as Peterson missed”
February 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
Oakland Raiders CB Stanford Routt was the most penalized player in the NFL in 2011, as he was flagged 17 times, including nine times in the final three regular season games. He allowed opponents to complete 47.4 percent of passes thrown his way while giving up eight touchdowns. It wasn’t all bad, as he posted a career-high four interceptions.
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J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:28 pm
dude dry humps his WR all day long.
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Weeks 1-7 = 1 penalty per game
Weeks 8-12 = 1 total penalty
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Jhill get your facts straight. Read the first paragraph, before you comment on Routt past penalty problems.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:39 pm
in one fewer season…
February 20th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
Do you guys realize how much ZONE Chuch B was playing at the end of the year?
Weren’t most of us crying about Chuck B not using Routt on Bowe and Megatron?
Horrible schemes by Chuck B.
Routt will be a decent corner for KC like he was for us.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:41 pm
2010 vs Miami and Chad Henne. Raiders 17 Mia 33
It was a game we had to win. We couldnt stop Chad Henne and Davonne Bess going across the middle for first downs. Bess 6 catches and 111 yds. A good number of it was the crossing patterns.
Routt had admitted early in his career that he wasnt comfy in the slot and nothing has changed since.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
He allowed opponents to complete 47.4 percent of passes thrown his way while giving up eight touchdowns
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
WOW, 47.4 is close to 50% or half of every pass thrown his way was completed.
I’ll take my chances with DVD, or Chekwa.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
Why are we arguing about Routt. Dude got WAAAYYYY overpaid by Al, we HAD to cut him. He is a talented guy who had a R8r scholarship and seemed to enjoy it.
ALL NFL CBs get toasted sometimes.
No worries, I am guessing RMcK and DAllen will shore up the sec…
February 20th, 2012 at 4:43 pm
That means from week 13 to week 17 he gave up 9 flags. And at our most important stretch of the season, he absolutely stunk up the joint.
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8 of those flags were in the last 2 games.
We beat KC, and lost against SD.
Floyd and Gates were killing us in that last game. Routt was hardly a reason we lost.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Get your facts straight Dell.
Seem to be on point.
Weeks 1-7 one penalty PER GAME
Weeks 8-12 = 1 TOTAL penalty.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:48 pm
Jhill,
My facts are on point, you are averaging his penaltys.
The dude committed 9 in the last three games as we were driving towards the playoffs. Don’t defend a numbered fact, the dude just stunk.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:49 pm
2010, AIG??
I remember that Miami game being the 1st one Nnamdi came back from ankle injury.
He was the one Bess was beating on those crossing patterns.
It was also the famous 5 safety defense Marshall came up with. I HATED that damn game plan. I remember that game like it was yesterday.
Ask JFB who I based Marshall’s firing on that game.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:53 pm
ok so lets get this straight….its ok to have a losing season…as long as you think you will win the next few years? Because losing one year leads to winning right? crazy talk….
February 20th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
MLB players and NFL players have to realize that Oaktown has been a godsend to participants of both sports.
In MLB minor players have been given ample chance to succeed and when they do they get shipped out to cash in lucrative contracts.
In the NFL they have been paid a king’s ransom to be stiffs.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:56 pm
First of all, Dell …
I’m not averaging anything.
Doug Farrar pointed out, as you just stated, that NINE of his penalties came in 3 games.
How are attacking the facts when we are all saying the same thing?
You are focusing on the last 3 games, Farrar is pointing out (which I happen to agree with) that the other 13 games is probably a more accurate assesment of where he is.
As far as the last 3 games, are you really saing Routt was the problem?
We should have won against Det, PERIOD! Routt had what one penalty at the end of the game against Megatron? That hardly lost the game for us.
We WON against KC.
Again, Floyd and Gates killed us against SD, not Routt.
It is what it is. You guys think Routt stinks, I think he was a decent corner.
A DC with a good reputation around the league also thinks Routt is a decent corner and gave him decent corner money.
February 20th, 2012 at 4:59 pm
Thec,
Mario will cost $22 million, IF he was tagged by the Texans. That doesn’t mean he will get $22 million/ year, if he is signed in FA.
Sign Mario Williams!
February 20th, 2012 at 5:00 pm
CB in the NFL under current rules is a tough job. With no QB pressure is almost impossible to succeed….
February 20th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaiderO,
Mario plays, Texans never reached playoffs.
Mario hurt, Texans reach playoffs.
Coincidence?
February 20th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
Jhill,
I don’t care about what Doug Farrar has said. I can see with my own eyes, how Routt on many critical red zone teams beat him and many times on third down he gave up the completition to continue a drive to score, or place our offense in bad field position.
To defend Routt is like defending Jamarcus, yes he completed passes, but not many, and was not a team player, that’s one point ol Dougy can’t write about as Routt was for himself.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:02 pm
J Hill Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:45 pm
Get your facts straight Dell.
Seem to be on point.
Weeks 1-7 one penalty PER GAME
Weeks 8-12 = 1 TOTAL penalty.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I penalty every week for 7 weeks is not acceptable, but 9 penalties in 3 games is ridiculous.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:07 pm
M Lonetree Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 5:01 pm
RaiderO,
Mario plays, Texans never reached playoffs.
Mario hurt, Texans reach playoffs.
Coincidence?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$!
You do know they hired a real DC last year (Wade Phillips), Mario had 5 sacks in 5 games before he got injured, and was playing the best football of his career before his injury.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
M,
Based on that logic, they should let Matt Schaub go too.
Schaub is healthy, Texans never made the POs. Schaub gets injured, and the Texans make the POs.
Coincidence?
YES!!!
February 20th, 2012 at 5:10 pm
2010 vs Miami
Nnamdi didnt even finish the game due to his ankle. He came out for a little in the 3rd qtr and shut it down around the 10 min Mark I believe. Bess killed us that day and this is about the time I started hating on Routt. Sorry but the guy stinks.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:18 pm
RaiderO,
each year some team or teams accomplish something unusual.
the Bungles made the playoffs without defeating any team with a winning record.
the Belicheats made it to the Divisional playoffs with out beating a single team with a winning record.
TJ Yates was in the playoffs because his division stunk.
TBone was in the playoffs because the Raiders stunk up their final five games.
Alex Smith was in the playoff without accomplishing anything (wait’ll next season’s schedule plays on that mediocrity).
Etc. etc.
Paying Super Mario super cash ain’t gonna win a SB.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Sorry, the Belicheats made to the AFC Championship game without defeating a single team with a winning record.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:20 pm
Watching JLin not backing down from Deron Williams tonite. Kid got heart and will to compete. Wished more Raider players were built the same way.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:21 pm
DaTruth, based on facts. Do I really have to Google that schyt for you?
Peterson: played 72 games in his 5 year career. Missed 7. Damn productive in that span wouldn’t you say?
McFadden: played 45 out of 64 games in his 4 yr career. Missing 19 games. I’ll even do the math for you. That is almost 3x as many games as McFadden missed.
I am no McFadden hater, bro, but his production has only shown a GLIMPSE of Peterson’s ACTUAL output. Fact.
And if could sit here from my keyboard and tell you what college RB was going to be the next Arian Foster, I sure as h3ll wouldn’t be here googling stats and adding up the math for YOU. Playa.
Foster is a good example of UFA RB talent that can be stockpiled by good talent evaluators. Ryan Grant of GB is another…
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Im glad you can google something, but how about you google that the entire truth rather than the Last for years.
Facts: ( googled just for you )
Injury History of Adrain Peterson: Missed more than two games with a lateral collateral sprain in 2007. Missed six games at Oklahoma in 2006 after breaking a collarbone. Sat on the sidelines for all or portions of four games as a sophomore with an ankle injury.
As compared to DMAC who suited up every single game in college…So you do the Math Playa….Ill do it for you, Peterson has missed more than double the games DMAC has in the last 7 years.
My point and the only point Im made was we dont know what we have with DMAC….But no GM/ Owner would trade him for future draft picks.because,
1. If healthy,during his contact year ( wink wink) he is probably the best RB in the NFL. And if you trade that for an unproven college player…lol thats the type of move that sets a franchise back for years.
2. Jlofy, you just named 1 player that was undrafted that ran for over 1000 yards…I dare you to name another in the last 10 years….Im waiting
—answer: no one has, and yet you think the Raiders are going to miraculously draft someone in the 4 rd, like him…clown
February 20th, 2012 at 5:29 pm
Uh I already did Truth. Ryan Grant. If I am not mistaken he was an UFA. Signed by one of the personnel people who is now the head personnel guy in Alameda.
Dude, you are arguing about Peterson vs. McFadden in COLLEGE?!?! Who CARES! That is irrelevant.
Facts are McFadden has had durability issues in his 4 year NFL career. Has NEVER played 16 full games. Has missed nearly 3x as many games in one less season than Peterson has in the NFL. Not college, not high school, not pop warner, but the pros.
I am not advocating it, but it would not surprise me to see our new GM and his team trade DMAC. It is possible to develop a system where RB by committee can be VERY successful. Or a RB can be DEVELOPED and be less costly than a top 5 draft pick. Happens all the time…
Again, I am not saying I would deal DMAC, but it would definately be on the table…
February 20th, 2012 at 5:36 pm
LeGarrette Blount was an undrafted free agent.
So was Jackie Battle.
These are active guys. Not even the last 10 years.
What round was Terrel Davis drafted?
February 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Never ceases to amaze me that a player will leave Oakland and take less money but they are never willing to take less money to stay here.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:39 pm
Fred Jackson did it in 2009 I think.
That’s three so far in addition to Arian Foster.
Good enough or you want more?
February 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
M,
I rather pay Mario over:
1- Seymour
2- TK
3- Wimbley
4- Curry
5- Huff
6- Henderson
7- Eugene
Teams with good pass rushers and a good QB win SBs. Look at the Giants. We have a good QB, but we do need to improve our pass rush & Run defense.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:41 pm
Those players that take less money elsewhere are taking the most that they can get, usually after leaving here being overpaid.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:42 pm
Uh I already did Truth. Ryan Grant. If I am not mistaken he was an UFA. Signed by one of the personnel people who is now the head personnel guy in Alameda.
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thats another poor example. Ryan Grant barely made the 53 man roster last year and when he was healthy never got any carries…he’ll be cut this year or next. Guaranteed.
My point with Peterson is that he was labeled a Injury prone player at a point and yet if he is now considered the best RB in the game. Regardless of college/NFL he was able to shack that label. AND DMAC SHOULD BE GIVEN THE SAME CHANCE
February 20th, 2012 at 5:44 pm
wasbanned Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 5:38 pm
Never ceases to amaze me that a player will leave Oakland and take less money but they are never willing to take less money to stay here.
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Umpteen losing seasons will do that. Hopefully Reggie Mac and DA can change the culture.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:46 pm
Id take mario too but he will come at a HiGH price.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:51 pm
LeGarrette Blount was an undrafted free agent.
So was Jackie Battle.
These are active guys. Not even the last 10 years.
What round was Terrel Davis drafted?
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Blount was undrafted because he punched a Boise State player and signed with a team that later released him…He is a good runner, but Horrible ( pass blocker and is never in on 3rd downs)
Jackie battle played only after injuries to Jamal Charles, and was given the ball on almost every carry once the lost there TE, QB to injury and yet only mustered up 700 yards ( in 2 seasons)
Terrel Davis…uhm, I could have sworn I said last 10 years, but ok. lol
Fred jackson is the only one I can give you credit for…But and thats a Big BUT!!!!t thats the same Fred Davis that was placed on IR this year..
February 20th, 2012 at 5:53 pm
oh and Blount got 781 yards last season…. Googled that just for ya
February 20th, 2012 at 5:55 pm
I am not arguing your point Truth. I am merely providing sources and backup for mine…
I just gave you 4 undrafted free agent RBs who had significant success for their teams in recent years as defined by YOUR 1000 yrd season benchmark.
It is possible to have success at the pro level at RB without being a top pick. In fact I could give a MUCH longer list of top draft pick busts. Many who ACTUALLY set their teams back due their circumstance.
I would NOT be surprised to see DMAC traded. I think he did a terrific job making himself better after his first two years and I do NOT hold against him his desire not to shoot up on pain killers to play. He is not going to cost us a LOT this year since he has been paid already. But if he goes a 5th year without playing most of the year THEN his value PLUMMITS and he leaves us with nothing but an empty checkbook. You can see why a GM might want to trade him, right? You can understand why a GM might want some kind of plan B in place just in case. His primary injuries are NOT a broken collarbone like Petersen’s college time. And OU didn’t have to pay AP $8million to miss those games…we did.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:56 pm
Raider O Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 1:08 pm
It will cost the Texans $22 million to tag Mario Williams.
Sign Mario Williams!!
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Have to disagree with you Raider O. Mario will command too much $$. This is one of the reasons we have to cut/restructure salaries now. Too many scholarships, not enough production.
February 20th, 2012 at 5:57 pm
Truth what do you Google with one finger?
Blount had 1007 his rookie year (2010) in 13 games…
February 20th, 2012 at 6:04 pm
and called me a clown…;-)
peace bro, I am clocking out, I hope DMAC gets 2500 all purpose yards in Silver and Black in 2012. He is certainly a talented young man and seems to be a hard worker too…
February 20th, 2012 at 6:06 pm
2nd-3rd round running backs:
Ray Rice (2nd)
Lesean McCoy (2nd)
Maurice Jones-Drew (2nd)
Matt Forte (2nd)
Ben Tate (3rd)
DeMarco Murray (3rd)
Rashard Mendenhall (2nd)
Shonn Greene (3rd)
4th-7th round/UDFA running backs:
Ahmad Bradshaw (7th)
Brandon Jacobs (4th)
Fred Jackson (UDFA)
Arian Foster (UDFA)
LeGarrette Blount (UDFA)
Michael Turner (5th)
BenJarvus Green-Ellis (UDFA)
Darren Sproles (4th)
Peyton Hillis (7th)
A running back is not hard to find. Don’t have to pay a guy $5 million a year to have an offense that can stay on schedule.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:21 pm
peace bro, I am clocking out, I hope DMAC gets 2500 all purpose yards in Silver and Black in 2012. He is certainly a talented young man and seems to be a hard worker too…
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WE both agree with that….
There is plenty of talent at the RB spot in the late rds, no one is arguing that. But the Potential of DMAC is greater then any 3rd-5 rd running back.
My only point was if traded, DMAC is Not easily replaceable. ( Just like Nnamdi, even though he was a free agent) Im tired of fans saying trade ( fill in the Blank) because he wants too much money/ is injured last year…then the next year, are shocked when our CB’s are the worst in the league , and if DMAC is traded are running has a fall off…
February 20th, 2012 at 6:22 pm
running game*
February 20th, 2012 at 6:33 pm
“A running back is not hard to find. Don’t have to pay a guy $5 million a year to have an offense that can stay on schedule.”
I agree and that is why Bush is gone I would think Reggie feels the same way. Look for us to take a RB in rounds 5 or 6
February 20th, 2012 at 6:41 pm
“Burnt toast” is now with the Chiefs. Good for Oakland.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
If Bush could or would block, he’d be worth it, but it can’t…or won’t.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:48 pm
KoolKell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:05 pm
Exlaraiderseasonticketholder Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:02 pm
Well KoolKell, maybe with your connections, fine track record and past history in the industry, you can get the listings for Stanford Routt’s and Michael Bush’s homes. They probably could wait the 10 yrs it would take for you to sell them.
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I’m doing just fine, thanks. Maybe should worry about your own dire circumstances. Lol.
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How can you be doing just fine when you haven’t had a listing in years? Not talking a sale, a listing. If by fine you mean your wife is working while your derriere gets bigger by the day, from never moving off the couch? Sure, you’re doing just fine.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
BASICALLY SAYING SAME THING ON CHIEFS BLOG AS IS BEING SAID HERE.ALL IN ONE’S PERSPECTIVE I GUESS..
February 20th, 2012 at 6:49 pm
You know KC fans are cringing, knowin they got our garbage.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:51 pm
Got a bet with Brian. Where is he? He needs to pay up.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:52 pm
“Never ceases to amaze me that a player will leave Oakland and take less money but they are never willing to take less money to stay here.”
Perhaps it’s just a pride thing, you know, losing a bit of face with teammates who know you. Going elsewhere one can always claim, when asked, “I didn’t like it there,” whether true or not.
I don’t know what happened with Buffalo, but it doesn’t strike me as odd that Routt stayed in the AFC West where he already knows receivers. I think Buffalo has chance to be a better team than KC.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:54 pm
Routt never learned to look for the ball, but to show his head was not what we need on defense, he said to a reporter in the last few games, “We have a good defense.”
HUH? Would a real competitor say that? Shows no leadership, yet Al paid him all that money.
February 20th, 2012 at 6:56 pm
players leave Oaktown for less becuse it’s well known that players who stay in oak watch their career die, while knowing when you leave, you are in for prosporous times.
Simple addition by subtraction.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:18 pm
The real Albert Bigelow Paine has much better grammar than you.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:22 pm
So many of these “new” posters who have just come here must be Whiner, Discharger, or Bunco fans. They have come out of the blue and they don’t make sense. Man, their franchises and their lives must really suck.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
He allowed opponents to complete 47.4 percent of passes thrown his way while giving up eight touchdowns
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WOW, 47.4 is close to 50% or half of every pass thrown his way was completed.
I’ll take my chances with DVD, or Chekwa.
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47.4% is a terrible completion percentage for a QB. Name one QB in the last 5 years who had a sub .500 completion pct and kept his job. Maybe Tebow?
February 20th, 2012 at 7:28 pm
The Cheats have done a good job shoring up their secondary. Their pass rush came alive the 2nd half of the season after a few dismal years. They are on the right track. Taking Brandon Carr from them would feel good.
Looks like John Fox is trying to tell Bunco fan he is not all that enamored with Teblow’s. Fox is trying to get some more QB’s on that roster. Peyton maybe?
February 20th, 2012 at 7:31 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 4:42 pm
He allowed opponents to complete 47.4 percent of passes thrown his way while giving up eight touchdowns
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Teams completed over 40% of their passes against Revis. Believe it or not, 47% ain’t that bad.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:34 pm
I think Tracy Porter who some of you have been clamoring for, gave up over 70%!!!! 70%!!!!!!!!! last year.
February 20th, 2012 at 7:42 pm
I love it when I have the place to myself. I wonder what’s in the booze cabinet…..
February 20th, 2012 at 7:55 pm
Albert Bigelow Paine, why don’t you mind your own dumbass business?
I don’t know why so many trolls, obsess over my life.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:12 pm
nothing but rotgut vodka. Freaking journalists…
February 20th, 2012 at 8:26 pm
To defend Routt is like defending Jamarcus,
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I fail to see the comparison.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:34 pm
Kell, that Albert Paine is actually an impostor. I think it may be Brien.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:42 pm
Houshmandzadeh expects Palmer to rebound with Raiders He’s different — was much more vocal in Oakland then I ever remember him in Cincinnati. That aspect he is different. Throwing the ball, it’s weird man. I thought he threw the ball with more velocity. I’m biased toward Carson, but when we worked out (during Palmer’s retirement) he was throwing the ball so hard — more so than going into his last year in Cincinnati. I think he noticed that. It was hard coming in midway. He said when he went in the first game against Kansas City, he only knew a few plays.
Then they had a bye, but it was harder than he thought. He admitted it to me. I think now, the offense he’s in with (coordinator Greg Knapp) is perfect, perfect, perfect for him. Greg Knapp probably has one of the best playbooks of any offensive coordinator I played under. What he likes to do with his quarterback is perfect for Carson. I think he’s going to do really well. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d827174ed/article/houshmandzadeh-expects-palmer-to-rebound-with-raiders?module=HP11_content_stream
February 20th, 2012 at 8:51 pm
Housh and Palmer are both Hue guys, knowing they’re on the bubble. Of course they’re going to be the biggest homers to the press in the off season.
February 20th, 2012 at 8:57 pm
LAKER FANS STAND UP N REPRESENT
Puttin’ the hurtin’ on the Blazers – or, as me and my production team the Certified Platinum Posse would say, we’re “Shootin’ Lazers at the Blazers” (patent freakin’ pending)
Just recreated Sizzler’s classic creation, Malibu Chicken, on the hibachi. Yo, unlike this Swiss cheese, my culinary skillz got no holes.
Just keeping it real
Getting wasted for the second half, pounding Mai Tai Slurpees from the new and improved PARTYBRO 8500 and got a few ladies cruising over to use the hot tub and sample my Malibu Chicken.
Oh yeah, and to slob my nob.
Hoping the chicken gives me a nice tight duece so I can also push out some mo fresh lyrics. What can I say, I’m an artist.
GETTIN WIZZLE WITH THE SIZZLE
February 20th, 2012 at 8:59 pm
Housh on the bubble???
I think you can officially call that bubble busted.
He will not be a Raider next year, and even he knows that.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:09 pm
Why don’t I feel better about next year?
Is it the lull before the storm, or blase followed by blunders?
I can’t take much more of this.
My allergies are making my face and my butt swell up, and I seem to be more moody than usual.
I hate this time of year.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:12 pm
J,
Housh is done. Signing him was a mistake.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:15 pm
The Saints will tag DB or C Nicks, so Should we try to sign Colston to be our big target WR?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:24 pm
FA wish list:
1- DE Mario Williams
2- CB Carr
3- S Branch
4- WR Colston
5- DT R Bryant
February 20th, 2012 at 9:26 pm
We can draft a RB and OL help.
Make it Happen Reggie!
February 20th, 2012 at 9:36 pm
Mario Williams only makes sense if we are going to stay with the 4-3.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:38 pm
Contracts:
Mario $15
Carr $10
Branch $4-5
Colston $6-7
Bryant $6-7
We need to free $41- $44 million. Let’s make it $50 (just in case).
Henderson: 4
CJ: 3.5
TK: 6
Huff: 4
Wimbley: 11
Curry: 5+
Eugene: 2.5
Boss: 2
Restructure with Seymour to save $3-6 million.
Total savings = $41-44 million. You are welcome Reggie.
I like to keep Curry, if he is willing to restructure his contract.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:40 pm
J,
Mario can play OLB in 3-4 too. He had 5 sacks in 5 games before he was injured.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:42 pm
Not used to this. When was the last time we didn’t have a number pick ?
February 20th, 2012 at 9:47 pm
Mario can play DE & OLB in 3-4 defense. He can also play LDE, RDE, and DT (passing situations) in 4-3 defense. Dude is a FREAK.
February 20th, 2012 at 9:53 pm
3-4, my # 1 concern is getting a NT.
I like our 3 LBs potential in the 3-4 with Allen and Tarver scheming. Or I’ll say that I at least want to see what they are able to come up with for those guys.
I think McKenzie will find us a 4th LB and some depth for those positions in rd 4 or so and in FA.
I do think we’ll spend some nice change on a corner though.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:02 pm
ShoNasty is cheap and a baller.
Wonder what Allen and Tarver have in mind for him in a 3-4?
Bryant and Seymour seem to be the ideal 3-4 DEs.
Maybe ShoNasty loses 10 lbs and makes the switch to OLB like Mario Williams did?
February 20th, 2012 at 10:17 pm
Raiders best game plan vs. KC is to torch Routt over and over and over. It will pay off, the dividends will be W’s.
Now I just hope HueJax aint cooking somethin up where we lose Palmer back to the bengayls.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:19 pm
Anyone notice the ninahs been awfully quit so far. Maybe they are still lickin their wounds and don’t know what to do. Now the Raidahs been makin the most noise this off season.
I like it.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
Been a long time since I been here, but just want to say hi to you all and I really love what the Raiders been doin so far. Yeah baby we gonna rock.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:22 pm
Oh yeah, and BTW, CODE BLACK.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
I’ve seen Routt so hyped up he looked like a 14 year old gang-banger ready for a knife fight during the Kiffin era. All Knapp has to do is send Moore on fly routes against him, and we are guaranteed a PI against him every time.
The guy has absolutely no self control… he will pay us dividends. Great move by cutting him, now that he is in the AFCW. Best move by new management thus far, IMO.
February 20th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
Giants 21
Patriots 17
HAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
OH-HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHAHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAHAHHHHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHHHHHAAA
February 20th, 2012 at 10:56 pm
My only point was if traded, DMAC is Not easily replaceable. ( Just like Nnamdi, even though he was a free agent) Im tired of fans saying trade ( fill in the Blank) because he wants too much money/ is injured last year…then the next year, are shocked when our CB’s are the worst in the league , and if DMAC is traded are running has a fall off…
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No kidding. Nothing is worse than letting a great player go that turns out great. I can handle McF staying here and getting injured again, or not turning out. It happens.
No way can I handle him going somewhere else and setting the league on fire with a chip on his shoulder.
CWood was bad enough, even though he didn’t want to stay here, but losing McF that from all indications loves being a Raider?
Thats not how you run a franchise…
February 20th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
Oh.. and if he gets traded and flops somewhere AND the draft pick we get in return turns out an all-pro (how likely is that??) I will look at it as just dummass-luck. Not a great business move. Nobody moves their best young player for prospects… even with injury problems.
Thats how you become the Pitts Pirates of football.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:37 pm
Aviontheone Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:48 am
SR Raider Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The fact that this means almost nothing to me speaks volumes about Routt’s impact on the game
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^^^^This is exactly how I feel.
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the complete opposite of how I felt when Marcus Allen signed on with Kansas City.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:45 pm
Word.
February 20th, 2012 at 11:54 pm
# HayesDaze37 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
As an admitted MBush29 backer, I’ve still got to say…
$7 million isn’t overpaying for Bush…it’s the going rate for a guy like him hitting the market, for his first two years on a new deal.
Here or elsewhere, MBush29, or a guy as talented, is going to be paid somewhere around $10-12 million guaranteed…on a deal much like the one we just heard about for Routt.
For all in here who say let Bush go, because Taiwan can be the #2…I say, when has Taiwan shown he can be even #3? Until he’s used to the daily rigors of NFL life, and his body can be counted on for more than a few games at a time, Taiwan Jones is just a fanciful pipe-dream fo us. Even when healthy, Taiwan hasn’t exploded like we hoped he would.
Picture this: Bush is gone. DMC is healthy in July. Taiwan is the clear #2-to-be. DMC tweaks a foot in the 2nd preseason game. Taiwan shows some flashes in preseason, but we must not overuse him/get him hurt. The new guy, LMiller shows some promise, but he’s raw. DMC starts a game or two, aggravates his foot injury, and now we need Taiwan to be #1. Is Taiwan ready to play? 70%+ of the downs?
I say we find a way to keep Bush…keep or trade DMC because he’s superstar-talented, with an affordable contract. We could replace DMC with somebody we hope can be more durable, and nearly as exlosive…but DON’T do it with an unknown/unproven, or an old RB like Benson). Regardless, we better HOPE once more that Taiwan Jones is ready for the NFL.
Of course, we could find a way to bring in Matt Forte! In my dreams.
Or…a more explosive version of Cedric Benson = LaGarrette Blount.
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It’s interesting because Bush is a better ZBS runner than DMC is also.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:34 am
most of Routts penalties were bogus. Get with a new team, springs a new identity ,calls may fall in your favor. The plan suits well for Routt. Just as it scripted as it did for my man C woodson. One of the best corners to play the game. If the Refs find favor with Routt on the KCF team it will be trade gone wild, advantage KFC.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:36 am
The Raiders Pass Defense as a whole looked way way better 2 years ago than last year. It was a pretty damned good unit. Then it all went to crap. Is that entirely due to Nnamdi? I don’t think so (although I think he definitely played a strong part in how solid that unit was).
Routt looked pretty good 2 years ago. Last year he regressed majorly like the rest of our defense. How much was him. Maybe he was never comfortable in what he was supposed to be doing in the new defense installed and so tried to make up for his shortcomings with all those penalties playing “catchup”.
Regardless, if he plays anywhere near as badly as last year than the Chiefs are downgrading. If he plays like 2 years ago, than they have a pretty good corner.
February 21st, 2012 at 12:50 am
If this next season falls apart at the core I think baby slash had it right. Hue Jackson was the fall guy for calling out the underachievements of this team. let it ride and time will tell.
February 21st, 2012 at 3:17 am
[...] Routt signs with Chiefs Cornerback Stanford Routt agreed to terms with the Kansas City Chiefs Monday, according to multiple media outlets and first reported by ESPN’s Adam Schefter. [...]
February 21st, 2012 at 4:19 am
Mark Davis was courtside for the Warriors game in an all-white track suit last night.
Awesome!!
Too Short supposedly performed in between quarters, and Marshawn Lynch and Jim Plunkett were only a few seats from each other.
Now that is “A Great time out”
February 21st, 2012 at 4:21 am
Routt played miserably down the stretch last year.
We can play with the penalty numbers, and cite a 4 game stretch where he only had only one penalty, all you want.
Fact it, he played his worst, when we needed his best.
Stan Routt = not a winner or boar-hunter
February 21st, 2012 at 5:07 am
2romes Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 12:50 am
If this next season falls apart at the core I think baby slash had it right. Hue Jackson was the fall guy for calling out the underachievements of this team. let it ride and time will tell.
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Hue Jackson was the “fall guy” because he was the head coach, and his team collapsed down the stretch. Had the division within their grasp and choked it away. Simple as that.
February 21st, 2012 at 5:36 am
Good Morning Nation !!!
February 21st, 2012 at 5:48 am
Good Morning Nation!!! Are we still worried about Routt? I know I’m not…
February 21st, 2012 at 5:52 am
Napolean Kaufman had some words about Routt joining the enemy on Twitter yesterday. Now HE is a true Raider
February 21st, 2012 at 6:02 am
I think now, the offense he’s in with (coordinator Greg Knapp) is perfect, perfect, perfect for him. Greg Knapp probably has one of the best playbooks of any offensive coordinator I played under. What he likes to do with his quarterback is perfect for Carson. I think he’s going to do really well. – T.J. Housh
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McKenzie + Allen + Knapp + Palmer = Playoffs 2012!
February 21st, 2012 at 6:06 am
Napolean Kaufman had some words about Routt joining the enemy on Twitter yesterday. Now HE is a true Raider
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Reggie White was known as the “Minister of Defense”
lure Kaufman out of retirement to be the “Minister of Offense”! he & TJones can back up DMAC
February 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
I think Kaufman is a bit old for that at this point.
February 21st, 2012 at 6:10 am
John Fox wants two new quarterbacks to compete with Tim Tebow – PFT
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Brady Quinn to compete with Pryor for #2 QB?
thoughts, Dakota?
February 21st, 2012 at 6:11 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.
February 21st, 2012 at 6:12 am
pick a Center:
Chris Myers (Texans)
Dan Koppen (Patriots)
Nick Hardwick (Chargers)
Scott Wells (Packers)
Samson Satele (Raiders)
February 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
Brady Quinn…looked ok in spurts and looked really awful in times…not sure what to expect of him…
February 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
LITTLE WIZ.WHO IS YOUR CHOICE ROCKSTAR ?
February 21st, 2012 at 6:14 am
McKenzie is a genius. He just made the Chiefs a worse team by cutting Routt.
February 21st, 2012 at 6:14 am
BCZ,
Kaufman is 38. haven’t you heard?
38 is the new 28!
age ain’t nothing but a number
February 21st, 2012 at 6:17 am
Stan Routt is in better hands with Romeo Crennel & Emmitt Thomas than he was with Chuck Bresnahan & Rod Woodson!
However, can’t wait to read the headlines:
CHIEFS ROUTTED AS PALMER THROWS FOR 300 YARDS & 3 TD’S
February 21st, 2012 at 6:19 am
LITTLE WIZ.WHO IS YOUR CHOICE
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Wiz II at C?
wouldn’t surprise me.
is Steve Hutchinson a fit at LG in the zbs?
if Wiz II stays at LG, I want Chris Myers in FA!
February 21st, 2012 at 6:23 am
SET AN O-LINE AND STICK WITH IT.INJURIES ASIDE,CONTINUITY KEY..
February 21st, 2012 at 6:25 am
Routt reminded me of the Southwest Airlines comercials where all the bags were getting flagged! His new uniform will be yellow instead of red!
February 21st, 2012 at 6:31 am
Good morning Nation.
Routt had 9 penalties in the final 3 games. I’m glad that fool is gone.
February 21st, 2012 at 6:34 am
Loving Routt’s departure. Overpaid and he will hurt KC more than help. Adios.
hwnrdr Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 6:13 am
Brady Quinn…looked ok in spurts and looked really awful in times…not sure what to expect of him…
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We should look at Quinn but expect little. His previous efforts are unimpressive, small sample, but still nothing great. Of course, he played on some weak CLE teams. Our best play is stick with Palmer and some crummy backups, then look to next season’s draft or FA options.
Do we have a shot at Richard Marshall at CB?
February 21st, 2012 at 6:34 am
Routt competed for the starting CB job opposite Asomugha and lost 3 times to Fabian Washington, DeAngelo Hall & CJ37.
He was terrible in the slot, which earned him the nickname “Toast”
He finally beat out CJ37 and started in 2010. Raider fans claimed he’d be much improved using the sideline as a friend and they were right.
Either Routt will start in KC or they’ll re-sign Brandon Carr and play Routt in the slot.
win/win for Raiders. Either we’ll have a shot at Carr in free agency or Routt will play nickel corner for KC and we’ll abuse him!
February 21st, 2012 at 6:38 am
I don’t think KC will sign Carr. Like you said. They have Flowers, Routt, & Arenas.
February 21st, 2012 at 6:38 am
People complained about using DHB as a decoy, but that might actually be a smart move when we play KC next season …
DHB streaking down the sideline with Routt in coverage. After Routt loses the foot race, it’s an instant P.I.
easy 40 yards
February 21st, 2012 at 6:45 am
Cut:
Wimbley
TK
Huff
Henderson
CJ
Eugene
Boss
Restructure with Seymour & Curry to save $7 million.
-Total Savings= $40
Sign:
Mario
Carr
Branch
Red Bryant
Colston
February 21st, 2012 at 6:49 am
Mario $15
Carr $10
Branch $4.5
Bryant $6
Colston $4.5
Total spending = $40 million
Make it happen Reggie!
February 21st, 2012 at 6:51 am
Draft:
OL help
LB
FS
DL
RB
February 21st, 2012 at 7:00 am
Wimbley would only save 4.5 million, Huff 4million Not sure where you are coming up with 40 million. I love your FA wish list, but that would never happen unfortunately.
Like I said yesterday, I will be surprised if we sign ANY FA for more than $5 million
February 21st, 2012 at 7:09 am
I thought Wimbley is due $11 million in salary.
Wimbley 11
TK 6
Huff 4
Henderson 4
CJ 3.5
Eugene 2.5
Boss 2
Total : $33 million
Restructure with Seymour & Curry to save another $7, and that gives you a total of $40.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:11 am
$6.5 of Wimbleys is already guaranteed, the other $4.5 becomes guaranteed on 3/16. Thats why he won’t negotiate, he has the leverage. If he gets cut he will go somewhere else for 5-6 mill a year and still get that $6.5 from us
February 21st, 2012 at 7:12 am
I love your FA wish list, but that would never happen unfortunately.
I will be surprised if we sign ANY FA for more than $5 million
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I think that McKenzie & Allen will find a way to restructure deals and terminate contracts in a way that gets us under the cap and still allows us to sign a few key missing peices
no more Al Davis way of doing things. “hey Wimbley, we need to get under the cap this year. Can we pay you $1 mil this year and $11 million next year?”
“hey Seymour. you’re our 1st rounder. we gotta have you back. whats it gonna take to keep you happy? 30 mil?” done deal … we gave that brick feet McClain $40 million!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:16 am
Also you have to remember, how much the are slated to make this year is not necessarily how much cap space you can make to cut them. Rolando McClain for example, only slated to make about 1 million this year, but if we cut him today, it would accelerate his signing bonus and COST us $13.5 mill towards the cap.
Hendo and Eugene will most certainly be cut, Curry renegotiated (not restructured… restructured means the get the same or more money over a period to prorate the cap hit) or gets cut that will get us under the cap, but we have no room to play. There will be no real free agency for us (maybe some second or third tier guys) and unfortunately we will just have to suck it up and HOPE some UDFA’s can make a real difference
February 21st, 2012 at 7:18 am
we gave that brick feet McClain $40 million!
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Which was the norm for his draft slot.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:25 am
Quote from Brady Quinn about Tebow:
The entire game, the defensive line is chasing the quarterback around, and that wears down the pass rush. Meanwhile, the defensive backs are chasing receivers, but you only throw eight passes, so they start to feel lazy. It only takes that one play, that one big pass, for a touchdown.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Quinn:
“We’ve had a lot of, I guess, luck, to put it simply.”
February 21st, 2012 at 7:26 am
Maybe Raiders can get Quinn to be #2
February 21st, 2012 at 7:27 am
Quinn:
“If you look at it as a whole,” he tells Silver, “there’s a lot of things that just don’t seem very humble to me. When I get that opportunity, I’ll continue to lead not necessarily by trying to get in front of the camera and praying but by praying with my teammates, you know?”
February 21st, 2012 at 7:29 am
Hey Dirt Lot…you out there? I just responded to you…sorry so late, got busy at work!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:33 am
Cap Expert,
So how much money can we save if we cut Huff, Henderson, TK, CJ, Eugene, and Boss?
I wouldn’t cut Wimbley in this case, so I hope he restructures/ Renegotiate.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Routt is not garbage as many people here are saying.
Facts is, he had a down year in 2011 as did everyone on the Defense but still rated 19th in coverage according to profootballfocus.com ranks, ahead of Brandon Carr.
You don’t give a bad player 20 million over 3 seasons, not when you are KC and have the cap room to sign any CB you want this year.
Now Routt is not irreplacable, but until we find someone better, it’s not a good move.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
Cut:
TK $6
Henderson $4
Huff $4
CJ $3.5
Eugene $2.5
Boss $2
Renegotiate/ restructure with Seymour and Curry to say $7-8 million.
Total savings: $30 million
Sign:
Williams $15
Carr $10
Branch $4-5
February 21st, 2012 at 7:38 am
There will be no real free agency for us (maybe some second or third tier guys) and unfortunately we will just have to suck it up and HOPE some UDFA’s can make a real difference
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BCZ,
Oakland (2012) will be the land of opportunity & competition!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:39 am
Routt had 9 penalties in our final 3 games.
That’s stupid. I’m glad he is gone.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:41 am
Routt had one good year in 2010 (with Nnamdi on the team). That’s it!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:42 am
Cap Expert,
So how much money can we save if we cut Huff, Henderson, TK, CJ, Eugene, and Boss?
I wouldn’t cut Wimbley in this case, so I hope he restructures/ Renegotiate.
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O,
If you refer to BCZ as “cap expert” in a sarcastic way, he might start referring to you as “dreamer”
you gotta show a little respect to the semi pro’s who know thier stuff
February 21st, 2012 at 7:43 am
We traded for Hall, and signed CJ because Routt couldn’t start for us.
Routt is a one year wonder!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:43 am
Routt is not addition by subtraction, but when you have that extreme amount of penalties, there is a lot of flexibility the new corner has in being an upgrade over that.
And he played terrible down the stretch.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:43 am
Routt had one good year in 2010 (with Nnamdi on the team). That’s it!
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Bingo!
and a lot of that had to do with our pass rush.
#2 in the league !!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:45 am
Hue Jackson on the other hand, was and will be addition by subtraction.
February 21st, 2012 at 7:46 am
RR,
Thanks for the advice, but I don’t need it. I don’t need tips in respect from you (with all due respect).
February 21st, 2012 at 7:47 am
Tips on*respect
February 21st, 2012 at 7:47 am
O,
Routt had a good “contract year” just like Huff & Branch … another reason why I hope we don’t offer Tyvon a monster contract!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:49 am
anybody seen 4eva?
miss that guy …
February 21st, 2012 at 7:50 am
J Hill,
Took the new sticks out for their first test run at the range this weekend.
It is on like Donkey Kong!!!
February 21st, 2012 at 7:51 am
I have to disagree RR. Branch started his 2nd year, and he played well for us, and he improved his coverage skills last season (odd since he played CB at college). I think we need to have him over guys like Huff, Henderson, etc…
February 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Branch is a solid tackler and great in run support.
His “abilities” to cover in a zone leave a lot to desired however.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:02 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 7:54 am
Branch is a solid tackler and great in run support.
His “abilities” to cover in a zone leave a lot to desired however.
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But again none of the Raider defenders had any idea how to play a zone coverage. The coaching staff must have put up this flow chart
How to Play Zone:
Step One: Drop five steps backwards into coverage
Step Two: watch opponent complete pass
Step Three: make half assed attempt at tackling opponent
Step four: point finger at team mates
February 21st, 2012 at 8:03 am
Branch started as a rookie until he ended up on IR. He is staying
February 21st, 2012 at 8:06 am
Bcz aka Cap Expert,
I agree. Branch is staying. So was I right about the rest of the contracts?
February 21st, 2012 at 8:07 am
lol lol Seymour. funny but sad at the same time because its true.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am
Branch didn’t start as a rookie. He was injured most of his rookie season. He still managed to have 1 INT with cast on his arm his rookie season.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:09 am
If Routt gets good coaching, he may become the player Al envisioned. Al saw something in Routt. He just had schitty coaching with chucka b and the crappa d.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:11 am
What Al saw was a sub 4.3 40. That’s it.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:17 am
Al didnt play zone, he played man. imo thats why nnamdi didnt look good in philly.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Type O,
Tyvon Branch is overrated imo
offer him a reasonable “take it or leave it” contract
February 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
So how much money can we save if we cut Huff, Henderson, TK, CJ, Eugene, and Boss?
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Huffs cap hit is $5.8 million, the acceleration of his signing bonus if he is cut would cost us $5.5 million, he is NOT getting cut for $300k in savings
Henderson will only cost us $750k to cut saving $4 million
TK’s cap hit this year is close to 9 million, if we cut him he will cost about $6 mill (after the acceleration of his signing bonus)
CJ37’s cap hit would have been $4.2 million but it seems he is listed as not active in the league. I think we quietly may have already cut him?
Eugene’s contract has no guarantees, he will free up 2.5 mill if not retained.
Any others?
February 21st, 2012 at 8:18 am
Routt was by no means garbage. He was pretty good, maybe a bit overpaid, but he made some plays down the stretch. He was a bit of a drop-off after we lost Nnamdi, but now after Routt, the drop off is extremely hard. DVD is a gentle joke, and Chekwa looks like he will be good but he is going to need a couple of seasons to really get the position. Not sure about Underwood considering he was cut by the Packers. I was worried about our CBs after we lost Nnamdi, but I’m much more worried now after Routt too.
Unless we are going to be shifting the defensive scheme from the age-old philosophy of mostly playing man2man, our CBs are going to be in trouble…big time.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Funny quote from Chucky B: Routt is the worst player I have ever coached!
February 21st, 2012 at 8:21 am
offer him a reasonable “take it or leave it” contract
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I don’t want to get into an all day debate over this, but who do you replace him with. He is the top rated safety available, and you have said yourself you think our new staff is going to get more out of these guys.
Branch stays, he will sign a contract valued at roughly between 5 and 6 mill a year or he will be tagged at $6.2 mill.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:23 am
Unless we are going to be shifting the defensive scheme from the age-old philosophy of mostly playing man2man, our CBs are going to be in trouble…big time.
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News Flash… Al Davis passed away on 10/08/11
The antiquated strict M2M, Single high safety, 4 man rush will take its place in the HoF beside Al’s bust while we run a multiple look defense tailored to the 21st century
February 21st, 2012 at 8:25 am
What did safeties Gibson, Schweigert, Wilson, Brown, Frampton, Shabazz, Nash, Perryman & Combs do after leaving Oakland?
What interest would Eugene & Mitchell receive in FA if we axed them tomorrow?
Al Davis ruins every defensive back he gets his hands on … unless your last name is Woodson
expect Huff & Branch to stink it up next year. All they know is the AD defense and we ain’t rolling with that no more
February 21st, 2012 at 8:27 am
expect Huff & Branch to stink it up next year. All they know is the AD defense and we ain’t rolling with that no more
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Agree to disagree my friend.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
Mike Mitchell costs us less than a mill per year, he will be around. He is a decent special teamer, but he has a lot of work to do at safety
February 21st, 2012 at 8:28 am
You guys wishing on a star for us to sign some big name Free’s it is not going to happen…
February 21st, 2012 at 8:30 am
Most we can “wish for” is that our GM is a really good talent evaluator….Our training camp roster will have a ton of UDFA’s….
February 21st, 2012 at 8:31 am
Curry is only guaranteed $757,000 this year, the other 5 million is not guaranteed. If he fails to work a new deal he will be a cap casualty for sure.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:35 am
Bcz,
And that’s why you are our Cap Expert.
So we should cut Henderson, CJ (if he wasn’t cut), and Eugene.
Total Savings: $10.5..
Not enough for all the FAs in my wish list, but that should be enough to sign Carr.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:36 am
I don’t want to get into an all day debate over this, but who do you replace him with. He is the top rated safety available, and you have said yourself you think our new staff is going to get more out of these guys
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BCZ,
you said yourself this morning:
“I will be surprised if we sign ANY FA for more than $5 million”
I agreed with you. that includes Bush & Branch imo
February 21st, 2012 at 8:38 am
420, I couldn’t agree more about making it a priority to re-sign Branch. Anywhere and everywhere it makes sense to cut someone, they should just do it and let it all shake itself out. The only other guy I’d want to “overpay” is KW. I think his extra $4M is worth it to get consistent pressure on the QB.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Total Savings: $10.5..
Not enough for all the FAs in my wish list, but that should be enough to sign Carr.
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Not so fast my friend. We are $11 million over, those cuts will get us to the cap. Now you need to make more cuts to get us the room for our limited draft class and UDFA’s that we need to bring in.
Im telling you, there isn’t any money to sign FA’s at all.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Funny quote from Chucky B: Routt is the worst player I have ever coached!
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source?
February 21st, 2012 at 8:42 am
No great loss in Routt. He’s a decent corner, especially in close around the RZ, but he got burned and caused those penalties on deep routes. He had a bad season, but that’s not all on him. Some of that is Bresh’s scheme. Routt needed to be cut, and even though KC got a “steal”, I still think he’s overpaid for what he gives them.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:45 am
Bcz,
We have to restructure/ renegotiate with Seymour, Palmer, Wimbley, TK, and Huff.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:46 am
I would not keep Michael Bush if I was Reggie. I feel like he easily can be replaced. Keep McFadden and get some solid backups.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:46 am
432.Mark Clemens Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 8:39 am
Hwnrdr Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 8:20 am
Funny quote from Chucky B: Routt is the worst player I have ever coached!
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source?
I work with Chuck B’s neighbor in Cinci…last year, Chuck gave him and my bosses tickets to the games. They met Chuck B outside in the parking lot after one game nad both of them (His neighbor and my boss) has said that is what he has told them.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:47 am
Now I am sure Palmer will work a new deal. He is due $40 mill over the next 3 years, but none of that is guaranteed. If we cut him before opening day he cost’s us nothing (aside from the picks already spent). He will work out a cap friendly deal I think.
Wimbley’s contract is far and away the worst because he holds the power right now. We are stuck with it, unless we cut him on principle, which will save us close to $5 mill but leave us with a big big whole in the LB core.
Seymour I am certain will work a new deal for a few more years so he can retire here, that will be much much more cap friendly, but won’t put us in the prediciments the past ‘renegotiating’ has.
We have lived on the ‘credit card’ philosophy for FAR too long in Oakland borrowing for the future for success today, and fallen short doing so. We might go through a tough year or 2 while we get our salary’s in order but we can rest assured we are in the process of building a franchise, not a one year wonder.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
We have to restructure/ renegotiate with Seymour, Palmer, Wimbley, TK, and Huff.
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Huff TK and Wimbley have no incentive to restructure at all.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:49 am
I agree with some of the others that Mark Davis is going to just take his poison pills with Seymour, Palmer, maybe Wimbley and let go of Huff and TK. With the endgoal of being a fiscally conservative replica of Oakland A’s. They will be playing moneyball management until they feel they have the clear identity of what they will be. This is a transition year. Wait and see.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hwnrdr,
Are you serious?
February 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hmm…looks like Brady Quinn is talking smack on Tebow in Denver, maybe they will let him go. I guess BQ would be a better back-up than Boller…..
February 21st, 2012 at 8:52 am
You guys wishing on a star for us to sign some big name Free’s it is not going to happen…
Most we can “wish for” is that our GM is a really good talent evaluator….Our training camp roster will have a ton of UDFA’s….
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Thec,
whats good man? been a while!
agreed with your comments above. I think the roster will be purged of a few more starters on Defense. Bloggers will be throwing thier hands up in the air confused and outraged by it. In the end, we will still win the AFC West next season and some youngsters will step in and fill key roles.
what worked on Defense last year?
pass rush? run defense? pass defense? turnovers?
look at all the awful contracts on that side of the football. I’m saying if Reggie can save a few million, go ahead and whack 5 or 6 dudes and let’s move on. I don’t want to hear about “we’re only saving 500k!” or “who are we gonna get to replace him?” it’s not about that right now. The offense basically carried the defense the past two years. What makes 2012 any different? We have legit coaching. We have a GM who can find talent and eliminate the scholarship program. We’re gonna be creative on Defense. We’re gonna mix it up. I’m telling you right now I wouldn’t be a bit surprised to see Giordano & Mitchell replace Huff & Branch in the starting lineup … unless they get beat out by some cheap FA’s and undrafted guys
You don’t pay good money to a player that doesn’t buy in or give it his all. the slackers are outta here. I don’t think Reggie is afraid to cut ties with ROMAC either. If he has off field baggage, avoids the media, doesn’t display any leadership, doesnt improve this offseason and doesnt want to be held accountable .. whack him! We’ll cut corners elsewhere and make up for it
February 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Assuming Arian Foster — a restricted free agent — stays in Houston, that leaves Michael Bush as perhaps the most complete back likely to hit the open market. We’d rank Peyton Hillis, BenJarvus Green-Ellis, Cedric Benson, and Mike Tolbert as the next guys in line.
Bush wore down late last year, failing to top 80 rushing yards in his last six starts. He’s better used as a complementary player. Tolbert may be the best value of the group because he has a versatile skill and won’t cost a lot. Benson no longer breaks tackles and can’t help on passing downs.
SOURCE: PFT
February 21st, 2012 at 8:53 am
Maybe they will restructure to help the entire team get better. If they don’t agree, then cut all three of them.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:57 am
I hate to talk about race, but if Tebow was a different color/ race, he wouldn’t have played QB in the NFL. He would have been converted to RB/ FB .
February 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
I think the roster will be purged of a few more starters on Defense. Bloggers will be throwing thier hands up in the air confused and outraged by it. In the end, we will still win the AFC West next season and some youngsters will step in and fill key roles.
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I love the optimism, but it’s not like Reggie Mac is some sort of genius that is going to outsmart all of the other 31 teams out there looking for UDFA talent. The fact is, the teams with the best and most draft picks and continuity of signed starters are in much better position to win and win now. Could it happen? Sure. But not likely. That’s why what you predict, (bunch of bloggers with upraised arms) is exactly what’s going to happen.
February 21st, 2012 at 8:59 am
440.Raider O Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 8:50 am
Hwnrdr,
Are you serious?
Yup…now whether they heard wrong or not…that’s a different story!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
One thing’s for sure – Curry isn’t seeing that $5 million in 2012. If he doesn’t restructure, he’ll be cut.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
I guess BQ would be a better back-up than Boller…..
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a ham sandwich is a better back-up then Boller !!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
If I was a QB in Denver, I would be angry too. I can throw better than Tebow.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:01 am
We have lived on the ‘credit card’ philosophy for FAR too long in Oakland borrowing for the future for success today, and fallen short doing so. We might go through a tough year or 2 while we get our salary’s in order but we can rest assured we are in the process of building a franchise, not a one year wonder.
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BCZ,
you’re exactly right!! thank you
now read this again and explain to me why we should make Tyvon Branch one of the highest paid safeties in the league. our run defense sucks and our pass defense sucks. he gets a pass, but nobody else does?
we’re gonna go cheap in free agency, so Branch doesn’t really fit into that plan unless (like I said 100 times) he wants to accept a reasonable contract to stay. We aren’t getting into a bidding war over this guy. We aren’t going to tag anybody.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Dmac on a sweep to Routes side vs the queifs, can’t wait to see that. Routte will get ran the fk. Over or get a stiff arm from hell. This lil biznitch Is pulling a Marcus Allen, fk routte.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am
Even J Fox (Tebow’s coach) thinks Tebow is a joke.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:02 am
449.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 9:00 am
I guess BQ would be a better back-up than Boller…..
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a ham sandwich is a better back-up then Boller !!
LMAO!!!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:05 am
Brady Quinn is the shining star in the Raider horizon.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:08 am
Btw, I don’t think religion has anything to do with Tebow playing QB. There are a ton of players who worship God as much/ more than Tebow, and it is considered approved/ normal behavior in sports. Why Tebow?
February 21st, 2012 at 9:09 am
look at all the awful contracts on that side of the football. I’m saying if Reggie can save a few million, go ahead and whack 5 or 6 dudes and let’s move on. I don’t want to hear about “we’re only saving 500k!” or “who are we gonna get to replace him?” it’s not about that right now
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It’s always about that brother, this is a business, sometimes you have to roll with bad decisions because there is no way to make it right. You can’t just cut guys and not have replacements. Yes are defense was monumentally bad last year, but that doesn’t mean the same group of guys can’t play better. A full offseason to implement a scheme, and constant coaching of that same scheme will show dramatic improvements in that squad. I trust the coaching staff to roll with THIS group of players and improve this defense by 8-10 places.
Hell look at Denver in 10 and 11, they were as equally as pathetic in 2010 as we were in 2011, they didnt gut the roster, the brought in a DC and a defensive minded
HC and played pretty damn well with minimal additions.
You get this very same group of guys a modern defensive scheme and the discipline to do what they are supposed to EVERY down, plus cut out half the penalties and you will have yourself a defense we dont spend all day complaining about.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am
I agree with some of the others that Mark Davis is going to just take his poison pills with Seymour, Palmer, maybe Wimbley and let go of Huff and TK. With the endgoal of being a fiscally conservative replica of Oakland A’s. They will be playing moneyball management until they feel they have the clear identity of what they will be. This is a transition year. Wait and see.
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G123,
Mark Davis isn’t involved in football operations. This is Reggie’s show. Reggie has the difficult task of getting our financial house in order with player contracts and such. He doesn’t HAVE TO keep any certain players he doesn’t want to, regardless of what thier contract states. As stated earlier, we can sew up other places to make the cap hit dissolve
Seymour has already agreed to restructure. Who knows if Palmer, Huff & Kelly will? Can’t just assume everybody thinks like Kam Wimbley or has the same contract he does …
February 21st, 2012 at 9:17 am
Players who have been handed massive contracts and have NEVER been asked to play smart, disciplined football in return, aren’t going to react well to a new coaching staff who expects them to be professionals.
That’s why, regardless of how much it cost, Routt HAD to go.
There are still a few more players on the roster (maybe a starter or two) who will follow him out the door.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:26 am
Why is it acceptable to talk about J Lin’s ethnicity/etc.. as part / reason for his hype, but not about guys like Tebow?
February 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Players who have been handed massive contracts and have NEVER been asked to play smart, disciplined football in return, aren’t going to react well to a new coaching staff who expects them to be professionals.
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I don’t believe that. These guys want to win, I think Routt was all the example that they needed that undisciplined play will not be tolerated no matter how much you play. Thats why they went right after the poster child for undisciplined play on our roster.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
You People…….
February 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 9:15 am
G123,
Mark Davis isn’t involved in football operations. This is Reggie’s show. Reggie has the difficult task of getting our financial house in order with player contracts and such. He doesn’t HAVE TO keep any certain players he doesn’t want to, regardless of what thier contract states. As stated earlier, we can sew up other places to make the cap hit dissolve
Seymour has already agreed to restructure. Who knows if Palmer, Huff & Kelly will? Can’t just assume everybody thinks like Kam Wimbley or has the same contract he does …
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It’s true that it’s RM’s show to make the pieces all work out, but at some point he can’t take complete discretion on the way the team spends money. It has to be ultimately approved by MD as it is his money to spend. I’m sure the 2 have met and discussed the overall strategy and it is probably a fluid one, given the pace and flow of free agent signings. They will be sitting back and let others make the splash signings and try to pickup the overlooked guys on the cheap. But I don’t see that as all on McKenzie. But I also think at some point in free agency, Mark Davis is going to be asked to seriously consider signing some guys he really didn’t think he could afford. At that point it won’t just be McKenzie.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Hell look at Denver in 10 and 11, they were as equally as pathetic in 2010 as we were in 2011, they didnt gut the roster, the brought in a DC and a defensive minded
HC and played pretty damn well with minimal additions.
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new players added to the Broncos defense in 2011:
Brodrick Bunkley
Jeremy Beal
Derrick Harvey
Jeremy Jarmon
Sealver Siliga
Ty Warren
Nate Irving
Brian Iwuh
Von Miller
Mike Mohamed
Rafael Bush
Quinton Carter
Tony Carter
Jonathan Wilhite
Chris Harris
Rahim Moore
Plus they got Elvis Dumervil back, who spent all of 2010 on Injured Reserve
February 21st, 2012 at 9:29 am
bcz24 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 9:27 am
Players who have been handed massive contracts and have NEVER been asked to play smart, disciplined football in return, aren’t going to react well to a new coaching staff who expects them to be professionals.
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I don’t believe that. These guys want to win, I think Routt was all the example that they needed that undisciplined play will not be tolerated no matter how much you play. Thats why they went right after the poster child for undisciplined play on our roster.
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I think Richard Seymour has some pull in the poster child for undisciplined play contest.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
Broncos Defense was “gutted” in 2011 when Fox & Allen came to town!
Raiders Defense may be “gutted” in 2012 when Allen & Tarver start doing thier thing
February 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
RR, whats your point ? they ONLY brought in 16 new guys !! lol lol lol
February 21st, 2012 at 9:31 am
I don’t believe that. These guys want to win
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I haven’t seen anything that suggests the big-money guys on the Raiders’ roster care about winning at all.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:35 am
Tommy Kelly is right up there with Routt and Seymour. Thing is, Seymour played disciplined football in NE so I’m inclined to believe he can do it again.
Routt and Kelly have never had a coaching staff expect them to play with discipline. Their entire careers have been in a system where they’re protected by the owner, with no accountability.
At least Huff shows SOME desire. But when you’re making $8 million a season, desire only goes so far. He said after the season he didn’t play like an $8 million-a-year player. I expect the new regime to hold him to that. Again, he knows how many offers his agent got when he was on the free agent market.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:36 am
I haven’t seen anything that suggests the big-money guys on the Raiders’ roster care about winning at all.
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YA,
Kam Wimbley sure cares more about money than winning!
thats always how you know. when it comes to money.
nobody on the roster would say no if you simply asked them if they wanted to win.
However, probably half of the roster would say no if you asked them to take less money in order to do so!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
A few days back there was a long post on the old school players vs the players of today. And how Al Davis didn’t understand where the culture change had shifted. Al kept going after physical specimens that he “owned” largely ignoring the leadership and love-of-the-game intangibles. That post was spot on.
All these overpaid atheletes we criticize, ask yourself would you be any different? What if you had $20M locked up and you were being asked to destroy your body for it in the hope of an elusive championship that maybe nets you another $5M? Where’s the motivation? Each player is his own seperate independent contractor. He’s a commodity as long as he’s young and healthy. These guys have no loyalty like in the Al Davis days. Guys don’t give a #### about winning anymore. It’s all about the money.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:39 am
they ONLY brought in 16 new guys !!
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Mike,
A bunch of those guys were young players they drafted or traded a late rounder for. with some undrafted kids mixed in
I dont know why Raider fans don’t think McKenzie can do it and still win the division. the friggin Donkeys did it, man!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
bcz24 Says:
February 20th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
Routt does know our receivers, though…and their tendencies, strengths and weaknesses. He doesn’t need to know the Offense to know how guys play.
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DMo17 was torching Routt in camp, fresh out of college as a rookie.
If anything that ‘knowledge’ will be a detriment. If he is thinking about tendencies he will get beat and/or commit a penalty
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Burnt Toast will do the “and”!
February 21st, 2012 at 9:44 am
The Dolphins are not expected to use the franchise tag on free agent NT Paul Soliai.
After Soliai’s agent went on the record last week that the Dolphins never made a “fair push” to work out a long-term deal, all signs are pointing toward Soliai hitting the open market. Soliai would be due $15 million if he was tagged for the second consecutive year, a cost far too prohibitive for a team expected to switch to a 4-3 defense.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:45 am
These guys have no loyalty like in the Al Davis days. Guys don’t give a #### about winning anymore. It’s all about the money
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G123,
that is exactly why I feel we need to kick these self entitled losers to the street, regardless on the contract. I’ll take a bunch of young hungry kids who want to learn and are stoked about the opportunity over guys who say “I’m doing well, but those other guys need to step up”. teamwork, man. put the work in.
Jason Tarver is gonna cook up some wild things for us on Defense, man. I get the feeling it’s gonna be straight up crazy at times. We just need cats who can execute the scheme. bring in 40 undrafted kids (all defense) or whatever the max number is. I’ll take the Top 10 of them
February 21st, 2012 at 9:49 am
Brodrick Bunkley – Starter
Jeremy Beal – Not listed on their depth chart
Derrick Harvey – Depth player
Jeremy Jarmon – Not listed on their depth chart
Sealver Siliga – Not listed on their depth chart
Ty Warren – IR’ed in camp, never took a gameday snap
Nate Irving – 3rd string MLB
Brian Iwuh – Not listed on their depth chart
Von Miller – Starter – #2 overall pick
Mike Mohamed – 3rd string SLB
Rafael Bush – 3rd string SS
Quinton Carter – Starter
Tony Carter – 5th CB
Jonathan Wilhite – 4th CB
Chris Harris – Nickle
Rahim Moore – 2nd string FS
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Of all those guys you named only 3 are starters, so they added a bunch of guys for depth, I didn’t say we wouldn’t be doing the same thing.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Hope everyone had a nice weekend.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
477.DMAC Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 9:50 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
Hope everyone had a nice weekend.
What’s up DMAC!?
February 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
They have a term for that, called “youngry”. It’s tough to be “youngry” and not end up being 4-12 (see TB Bucs).
I don’t like those self entitled jerks any more than you do, but the fact is they have some rare talent to be playing at the level they are and it’s obvious they put a lifetime of work into getting there. It’s just a shame to see a lot of them waste that talent once they get the big payday. Then their priority is showing up each other for who has the poshest crib, finest women, and flashiest jewlery. They get soft, but still even then they are still better than 90% of the “youngrys” so they don’t sweat it.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:51 am
afternoon DMAC
February 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Trade Boss or restructure, but do not just let him walk; his salary & cap are not that bad for a starting TE.
We could get a 4th rounder for him easily; quality TE’s are a hot commodity in the NFL.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Get rid of the James Jett’s! Wasn’t it him that Timmy Brown said would rather discuss stocks on the football field than concentrate on the game? Something to that effect…
February 21st, 2012 at 9:53 am
RRS when I said Denver didn’t ‘gut’ the defensive roster I meant they didnt CUT 6 or 7 STARTERS on defense. That is what I am referring to, not an influx of depth players, we need the same thing, but I dont expect us to bring in those players to START. See the difference?
February 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
LOL LOL . but James Jett had Raider speed !!! lol lol
February 21st, 2012 at 9:54 am
481.RaiderRetribution Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 9:52 am
Trade Boss or restructure, but do not just let him walk; his salary & cap are not that bad for a starting TE.
We could get a 4th rounder for him easily; quality TE’s are a hot commodity in the NFL.
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Why get rid of him at all? $2 mill for a starting TE is peanuts.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:56 am
Thoughts on Routt?
Do we torch him twice next season or does his penalties come down w/ another team?
If we can sign Carr away from KC, that would be nice.
Carr > Routt = instant upgrade
February 21st, 2012 at 9:57 am
Can’t believe some folks are still vouching for Routt.
Khalif Barnes had false starts but I dont remember him avg 1 per game. Still, people thought he was the scumbag on our team.
Routt guarantees you at least 1 flag per game and 1 td every other game. Yet people still say he’s good. No he is NOT GOOD and I can’t wait for our WRs to toast his a$$ twice this year.
February 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
Of all those guys you named only 3 are starters, so they added a bunch of guys for depth, I didn’t say we wouldn’t be doing the same thing
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BCZ,
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
94 Jarvis Moss DE
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
79 John Henderson DT
31 Hiram Eugene FS
37 Chris Johnson CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
Pick 3 more guys to replace please
February 21st, 2012 at 9:59 am
At least Huff shows SOME desire. But when you’re making $8 million a season, desire only goes so far
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Not sure where this $8 mill per year myth is coming from but Huff is only making $5.6 mill this year.
2012, 2013 and 2014 Salary 4,000,000 all 3 years, the cap hit for his bonus is $1,828,750 (this bonus was paid last year and prorated over the life of the contract). So his cap hit is $5,828,750 each of the next 3 years. We would literally save $300k by cutting him, not even the league minimum for a rookie, and be forced to roll with Giordano as a 16 game starter. Not a very sound football move.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:02 am
Thoughts on Routt down in Podunk, RRS?
February 21st, 2012 at 10:02 am
BCZ,
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
94 Jarvis Moss DE
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
79 John Henderson DT
31 Hiram Eugene FS
37 Chris Johnson CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
Pick 3 more guys to replace please
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Routt is one, we dont have the #2 overall draft pick, so that eliminates one of the replacement starters, and Curry to be replaced.
Mind you, I don’t think all 13 of those depth guys you mentioned are out of here either. Some of them are young and will be retained on the cheap.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:03 am
488, ot wouldnt hurt us a bit if we lost all those guys
February 21st, 2012 at 10:04 am
IMHO, T. Branch has played well, but not well enough to deserve the Franchise Tag.
He is no Eric Turner (RIP) or Rod woodson…not even an aging Albert Lewis.
Bush? Many thanks, but I wouldn’t be suprised if BigMac passes on tagging you too…
Draft Darrel Scott or Bobby Rainey to fill his shoes in the 6/7th round.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:05 am
my mistake. Routt is already gone
2 more
50 Travis Goethel MLB
23 DeMarcus Van Dyke CB
or
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
February 21st, 2012 at 10:07 am
Routt is one, we dont have the #2 overall draft pick, so that eliminates one of the replacement starters, and Curry to be replaced.
Mind you, I don’t think all 13 of those depth guys you mentioned are out of here either. Some of them are young and will be retained on the cheap
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For the record, I think Curry takes a pay cut and sticks around, dont necessarily think he starts next year though.
I think we add at least one starting calibur CB, but it is going to be a bargain guy, not a top notch starter like Carr or Grimes or Finnegan.
I also think we add at least one DL who may will play a much bigger part in the rotation than Henderson did, the semi-pros thinking Buckley might be on the right track there.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
Routt will do fine. We put that poor kid on an island more than any guy in the league.. The to raise the pressure we overpaid him by 5mil a yr.. Plus we gave him no help to the inside, our saftes cant cover.. And chuck b is the worst coach in the nfl..
February 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
I’m for tagging Branch ($6.2M) and buying time to negotiate a long term deal that lowers his cap hit. If the long term deal doesn’t end up happenening, $6.2 isn’t dramatically overspending as it relates to overall team budget.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
Cool, our division competitor just got worse!
Thank you Routt.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:10 am
26 Stanford Routt CB
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
50 Travis Goethel MLB
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
94 Jarvis Moss DE
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
79 John Henderson DT
31 Hiram Eugene FS
37 Chris Johnson CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
These guys would all be gone if we had 16 new players on Defense (no big names, mostly depth)
thoughts ???
February 21st, 2012 at 10:12 am
We could never get rid of Blackstock. He’s a fan favorite.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Thank you Routt.
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for what? taking AD’s money and running? It was the elephant in the room, and we all wondered if there was some missing reason why AD dramatically overpaid some guys. What was the thinking? What was the reasoning? Why did he bid against himself in an all out bidding war? Just glad those days are over.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
499. I might give chimdi a yr or 2 to get better. But the rest can go.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:15 am
Hey Reggie, don’t forget to look at “stiff armed” Eugene’s #’s. (Pretty nice of change for a back-up S/special teamer)
Base Salary
2012 2,500,000
2013 2,750,000
2014 3,250,000
February 21st, 2012 at 10:16 am
501 exactly. The biggest cut we made happend last season
February 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
503. We’re the only team overpaying snappers and gunners…. Sad
February 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
guest123 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Thank you Routt.
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for what?
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Hello! For leaving us and going to KC, where he will make their secondary worse. Thank you Routt.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:18 am
26 Stanford Routt CB
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB
95 Mason Brodine DE
32 Bryan McCann CB
50 Travis Goethel MLB
91 Trevor Scott DE
21 Lito Sheppard CB
94 Jarvis Moss DE
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
52 Quentin Groves OLB
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB
79 John Henderson DT
31 Hiram Eugene FS
37 Chris Johnson CB
34 Mike Mitchell SS
These guys would all be gone if we had 16 new players on Defense (no big names, mostly depth)
thoughts ???
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Really like Chekwa’s versatility and he’s cheap. No reason to let him go. Mike Mitchell has a good motor and is still on the raw side, but give him a chance to prove himself to coach Allen. I think he’ll have a role. Trever Scott is intruiging, and I think he needs at least another TC to show he can come back from that injury of 2 yrs ago. John Henderson should be re-signed on the cheap if possible as he is a force in limited snap counts. The rest of em can pound sand.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:19 am
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS
50 Travis Goethel MLB
21 Lito Sheppard CB
94 Jarvis Moss DE
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS
79 John Henderson DT
34 Mike Mitchell SS
I think these guys will be back in training camp but not necessarily on the 53 man roster.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:20 am
One way or the other, we would be KEEPING players such as:
99 Lamarr Houston DE
93 Tommy Kelly DT
92 Richard Seymour DT
77 Matt Shaughnessy DE
51 Aaron Curry OLB
55 Rolando McClain MLB
96 Kamerion Wimbley OLB
24 Michael Huff FS
33 Tyvon Branch SS
23 DeMarcus Van Dyke CB
is that what we want ???
is that the consensus among Raider Nation?
Just expect better results with different coaches?
different system/scheme results in better player execution?
February 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
Routt was a good first step, but lots of overpaid, or underachieving guys left on the defense though:
Seymour
McClain
Huff
Wimbley
Curry
Kelly
Take less money or walk and be replaced by real football players!
February 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
Oh I like gio too.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
“Hello! For leaving us and going to KC, where he will make their secondary worse. Thank you Routt.”
So true!!!
February 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
guest123 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Thank you Routt.
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for what?
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Hello! For leaving us and going to KC, where he will make their secondary worse. Thank you Routt.
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Actually the one thing I could say about Routt was he was always healthy! At least he wasn’t a high priced player who was always hurt…
February 21st, 2012 at 10:22 am
510. McClain gets paid dk this yr.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:23 am
513.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:21 am
guest123 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:14 am
Thank you Routt.
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for what?
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Hello! For leaving us and going to KC, where he will make their secondary worse. Thank you Routt.
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Actually the one thing I could say about Routt was he was always healthy! At least he wasn’t a high priced player who was always hurt…
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ If he had been hurt then maybe our pass defense doesn’t look so bad.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:24 am
514.Marks hair Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:22 am
510. McClain gets paid dk this yr.
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I don’t care how much he makes, he is one of the underachievers. Fk him and his gun, and his flabby azz, and his jogging around on the field and quitting on plays.
Addition by subtraction even if it doesn’t save $1 against the cap.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Actually the one thing I could say about Routt was he was always healthy! At least he wasn’t a high priced player who was always hurt…
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ If he had been hurt then maybe our pass defense doesn’t look so bad.
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Not sure how this doesn’t fit into your argument? He will acutally be suited up every game and make KC worse…
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
If routt wasnt our best man in coverage, then who was?
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Routt was the beneficiary of AD’s massive ego and his desire to shove it in Nnamdi’s face that he wasn’t any longer “his boy”. Can’t blame Routt for taking that kind of cash when it was offered. Paid to prove a point.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
517.DutchRaider77 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Actually the one thing I could say about Routt was he was always healthy! At least he wasn’t a high priced player who was always hurt…
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ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ If he had been hurt then maybe our pass defense doesn’t look so bad.
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Not sure how this doesn’t fit into your argument? He will acutally be suited up every game and make KC worse…
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Oh, so true. Here’s to a healthy Routt in 2012!
February 21st, 2012 at 10:26 am
Can we make a trade for Osi? Or better yet, do we have any value to offer?
February 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
guest123 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:08 am
I’m for tagging Branch ($6.2M) and buying time to negotiate a long term deal that lowers his cap hit. If the long term deal doesn’t end up happenening, $6.2 isn’t dramatically overspending as it relates to overall team budget.
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Yeah I think I Agree. The thing about the bloated out-of-whack contracts that we have (see Wimbley) here might have us “eat” this year. It might actaully be a good idea to franchise a player like Branch because we would only be on the hook for a year.
This could give us a chance to evaluate and seek replacements, and give us the cap-room to make some big moves next year.
If Branch doen’t work out, the Franchise is only a one-year deal and we can get rid of him later.
In terms of BIG name palyers, we might not have the Cap-space and we definitely do not have the Draft picks. We’ll probably have to wait for next year when we have both.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
518.Marks hair Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
If routt wasnt our best man in coverage, then who was?
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That is about as comical as asking which member of Milli Vanilli was the best vocalist.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
516, if we start cutting every guy who doesnt contend for a probowl after yr 2 we wont do to well..
February 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
When Routt picks off Palmer are you guys going to change your names or just act like nothing ever happened ?
February 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
I agree with cutting RoMAC if he shows the slightest attitude problems going into TC. He needs to be “scared straight” or tossed off the club, even if it costs them money. If he shows up and dogs it or mouths off at the coaching staff, he will be a infectious desease that needs to be eradicated. If only for the sake of building team chemistry.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:28 am
26 Stanford Routt CB—–gone
35 Chimdi Chekwa CB/FS—backup
30 Jerome Boyd SS/OLB—see ya
95 Mason Brodine DE—who?
32 Bryan McCann CB—gone
50 Travis Goethel MLB—gone
91 Trevor Scott DE—please gone…
21 Lito Sheppard CB—5th stringer
94 Jarvis Moss DE–gone
27 Matt Giordano SS/FS—-backup/ST
52 Quentin Groves OLB—gone
56 Darryl Blackstock OLB/MLB—gone
79 John Henderson DT-will retire
31 Hiram Eugene FS—gone
37 Chris Johnson CB—gone
34 Mike Mitchell SS—will have to fight to make the team
February 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
524.Marks hair Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
516, if we start cutting every guy who doesnt contend for a probowl after yr 2 we wont do to well..
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No, just cut the fat, lazy clueless ones who get into trouble off the field….like McClain.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:29 am
I might give chimdi a yr or 2 to get better.
Really like Chekwa’s versatility and he’s cheap. No reason to let him go.
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it’s either Chekwa or DVD. you can’t keep both (unless you let Tyvon Branch walk)
February 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
@ 526, Routt couldn’t catch syphlis in Bangcock…
February 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
If routt wasnt our best man in coverage, then who was?
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It’s like comparing a D- to F on a report card. Hey I got a D-, at least it’s better than an F. Makes no sense at all.
Or like comparing the Italian Army vs the French Army in WWII. They both sucked.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
it’s either Chekwa or DVD. you can’t keep both (unless you let Tyvon Branch walk)
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If that’s the choice, bye DVD…hardly knew ya
February 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
guest123 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
Routt was the beneficiary of AD’s massive ego and his desire to shove it in Nnamdi’s face that he wasn’t any longer “his boy”. Can’t blame Routt for taking that kind of cash when it was offered. Paid to prove a point.
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You nailed it buddy.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:31 am
531.aig-raiders Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:30 am
If routt wasnt our best man in coverage, then who was?
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It’s like comparing a D- to F on a report card. Hey I got a D-, at least it’s better than an F. Makes no sense at all.
Or like comparing the Italian Army vs the French Army in WWII. They both sucked.
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Actually, throw Denmark in there for LMN’s sake….
February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
@ 532,
Routt is more like the Vici-French, he’s playing for the enemy now….
February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
I don’t care how much he makes, he is one of the underachievers. Fk him and his gun, and his flabby azz, and his jogging around on the field and quitting on plays.
Addition by subtraction even if it doesn’t save $1 against the cap.
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Cutting McClain would actually ADD $8.5 million to the cap # number because of the acceleration of his bonus. Unfortunately we are not in a fiscal position to be able to cut him.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
It’s like comparing a D- to F on a report card. Hey I got a D-, at least it’s better than an F. Makes no sense at all.
Or like comparing the Italian Army vs the French Army in WWII. They both sucked.
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or comparing a corolla to a neon
February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
523. no answer. Because routt was our best guy. It was not his fault stupid AL paid him & played him as if he was revis, namdi or bailey .. He’s a solid second cb
February 21st, 2012 at 10:33 am
Routt was a solid #2.
It’s time to pick up our #1.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:34 am
it’s either Chekwa or DVD. you can’t keep both (unless you let Tyvon Branch walk)
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That is incorrect information. Chekwa and DVD cost $495,000 per year. Cant get any cheaper than that bro.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:34 am
536.bcz24 Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:32 am
I don’t care how much he makes, he is one of the underachievers. Fk him and his gun, and his flabby azz, and his jogging around on the field and quitting on plays.
Addition by subtraction even if it doesn’t save $1 against the cap.
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Cutting McClain would actually ADD $8.5 million to the cap # number because of the acceleration of his bonus. Unfortunately we are not in a fiscal position to be able to cut him.
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If that is true, then just keep him on the roster as an inactive all year lol. I knew there must be a reason for Reggie to keep this loser on the team.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
lots of overpaid, or underachieving guys left on the defense though:
Seymour
McClain
Huff
Wimbley
Curry
Kelly
Take less money or walk and be replaced by real football players!
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Dakota, I agree
but apparently thats not fiscally responsible
the scholarship program has term’d. no contract is safe, regardless if it’s look like a steep hurdle to overcome (on paper)
McClain and many should be ON NOTICE
I think it’s hilarious that everybody agrees the defense sucks, but everybody also agrees none of the starters should be cut or traded!
February 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
523.Dakota Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:27 am
518.Marks hair Says:
February 21st, 2012 at 10:25 am
If routt wasnt our best man in coverage, then who was?
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That is about as comical as asking which member of Milli Vanilli was the best vocalist.
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LMAO!
February 21st, 2012 at 10:35 am
“523. no answer. Because routt was our best guy. It was not his fault stupid AL paid him & played him as if he was revis, namdi or bailey .. He’s a solid second cb”
Thank you Lamar Hunt glad you are excited about your new CB.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:36 am
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February 21st, 2012 at 10:36 am
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February 21st, 2012 at 10:39 am
Routt was our best CB. And that is sad, very sad.
Thinking Routt is a starting CB is like when after years of Marcus Allen and Bo, fans were saddled with thinking Harvey Williams was a real RB…
Raider fans have grown so accustomed to mediocrity, that they even argue over which mediocre player is better.
February 21st, 2012 at 10:39 am
or comparing a corolla to a neon
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Or a bag of shlt to a pile of shlt…
February 21st, 2012 at 10:40 am
544. Hey, dont get me wrong. Im glad glad we cut him. And im ready to gut the D.. But my opinions about a players skills dont change overnight.