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Raiders going stealth for now

By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Thursday, February 23rd, 2012 at 11:32 am in Oakland Raiders.

Working at the NFL scouting combine covering everything local _ Raiders, 49ers, Andrew Luck and the locals. A light day for Raiders news, with coach Dennis Allen not scheduled to speak until Friday and general manager Reggie McKenzie not at all, although I’ll endeavor to track him down if possible.

Did talk to Rich Gannon informally for a few minutes on a break from his Sirius radio show. He’s excited about the potential change in culture. I asked him if he thought Carson Palmer would be a fit for Greg Knapp’s offense and Gannon said he thought it would be fine with a few tweaks.

Gannon thinks Palmer’s skill set is roughly similar to that of Matt Schwab, who flourished under Knapp with the Houston Texans.

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  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Bcz24 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 2:50 pm
    Made in Ohio?
    I should buy one, if the price is right
    *************
    $75-90k
    $$$$$$$$$$$$$$

    That’s more than the 1M, and I rather have that car. Well…. Both are great cars, but the 1M reminds me of my first love: OL school M3 (E30).

  • bcz24

    Do you remember that more times than McFadden falling after getting barely touched as he turned the corner on most of his ZBS runs? Doubt you remember it that much!
    **********
    How does the blocking scheme influence McFadden’s ability to keep his footing?

  • Silverandblack666

    “Wasn’t there something about a cap floor in the new CBA? I find some info saying it starts in 2013, but I can’t find a solid article about it.”

    Yes there is and I am not sure what the rules will be or when they take place.

  • http://www.raiders.com Raider O

    Let’s Go J Lin!!!!!!

    Go Raiders!
    Go Bucks!!
    Go Aztecs!
    Go Cavs!
    Go Clippers!
    Go Lin!!!!!!!!

  • Seymour Bush

    guest123 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 12:40 pm

    I’m sorry, I don’t see the comparison of Schwab to CP3.

    What, they’re both white….and?

    One’s nothing like the other, imo.
    =========================================

    Almost exact same size, similar mobility, but Palmer gets a little bit of a nod in both accuracy and arm strength.

  • bcz24

    There is a cap floor, it is 90% of the total cap, the caveat is each team doesnt have to be at 90%, as long as the 32 teams collectively are. It was ammended last year to give teams time because of the teams that were so ridiculously far under, so it doesn’t take effect until 2013.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    bcz24 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 3:00 pm
    Do you remember that more times than McFadden falling after getting barely touched as he turned the corner on most of his ZBS runs? Doubt you remember it that much!
    **********
    How does the blocking scheme influence McFadden’s ability to keep his footing?

    —————–

    Hahaha, just f’n wit ya bruh…..I’m sure it doesn’t correlate, but dude took a minute to get over his “footing” issue when we used to run Cable’s scheme and it seemed like every time we thought he was gonna break one and turn the corner to the outside he would get shoved and fall off the flimsiest arm tackles…he’s a lot better now at taking contact, but I had to get a shot in since this is obviously bash Bush day in here, and I can’t let my boy get got like that!

  • DEATHROW 55

    Lakers going to send a reality check to okl. City tonight. ! Linn Gona be the little mouse in a snake pit with LeBron and wade as the hungry snakes, he will get locked down tonight.

  • http://http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YXj7I1RzLSE&feature=related exlaraiderseasonticketholder

    218.Mistic1 Tha Supavillain Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 2:06 pm
    What nfl team suddenly changes the entire playbook days before the biggest game of their lives?!?!?!

    Nobody. you dont have time to change your calls and rework your entire system simply because you fear the other team has intel, that would be foolish and impossible.

    Even if you could somehow change up how could your team suddenly execute a brand new system with such little time and expect it to function any where near as well as what they have practiced for the last 2 years leading up to that game?

    ===================================
    Can’t believe I agreeing but remember Vince Lombardi’s philosophy. “We are running the Green Bay power sweep. Everyone knows it. Let them try to stop it!”
    It wasn’t Gruden knowing the plays as much as the loss of Barrett. He called the line plays. We did not execute and got stomped on. Did not matter if they knew our playbook. Everyone watches film and knows the other teams tendencies.

  • http://www.safc.com/page/StadiumofLightDetail/0,,10281~1706060,00.html neilb

    Raiders going stealth for now……what? No underwear?

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    DEATHROW 55 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 3:11 pm
    Lakers going to send a reality check to okl. City tonight. ! Linn Gona be the little mouse in a snake pit with LeBron and wade as the hungry snakes, he will get locked down tonight.

    ———

    I’m actually a Knick fan, and probably the only one in here, so I can’t let you slide with that in here homie, and I’m sure you enjoyed that L ya’ll took against us last week! Don’t worry though, I won’t run it too much about the Knicks ’cause I can’t stand Antoni. I refuse to pronounce the “D” in his name until he coaches it; but I gotta admit, I am loving the new team chemistry with Lin on the floor.

  • SilverAndBlackBleeder

    Workday is done, and I’m out…

    Rack ‘em

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    bcz24 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 2:59 pm

    the giants run the same offense bilicheat still couldnt stop it.

    The giants run the same defense, bilicheat still couldnt beat it
    ************
    1. No they don’t. They are a much more explosive offense now

    2. If Brady’s recievers don’t leave their hands on the sidelines in the 4th qtr you aren’t even trying to make that comparison.
    ==============

    1.) they run the same scheme, nothing has changed other than the personnel.

    2.) who care about ifs, score board reads giants 2 patsies 0.

    bilicheat was unable to stop the giants even though he was fully aware of what they were going to do on both sides of the ball, and had several years of film to study.

  • Raiderjambo

    268. Agree about your comment regarding Bellicheck, however, I think for ’02 there was only a week between AFC Championship game and SB. Still, if it looks like there’s a possibility you may end up against your old HC, don’t you have at least some play calling variation?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    ARE YOU KIDDING ME?!?!? 80 DEGREE WEATHER, PATIO DRINKING AND GORGEOUS SCANTILY CLAD WOMEN IN EVERY
    DELICIOUS FLAVOR IMAGINABLE!!!!!! OAKLAND WHATS NOT TO LOVE????

  • alex7

    I thought the Patriots D was outstanding vs the Giants, overall.

    Not sure what you expect Belichick to do. Shut every opponent out? They took the Giants best players out of the game, made other guys beat them. That day, those other guys stepped up.

  • SharkCatcher

    RaiderRockstar Says: February 23rd, 2012 at 11:47 am

    Did talk to Rich Gannon informally for a few minutes on a break from his Sirius radio show. He’s excited about the potential change in culture. I asked him if he thought Carson Palmer would be a fit for Greg Knapp’s offense and Gannon said he thought it would be fine with a few tweaks.

    Gannon thinks Palmer’s skill set is roughly similar to that of Matt Schwab, who flourished under Knapp with the Houston Texans.

    ***

    I agree – however

    what does Rich Gannon know about Greg Knapp or Matt Schaub?

    His opinion is as good as ours
    ———————–
    And thats the problem right there..! You compare your knowledge to a guy that played in the NFL 10 plus years and is paid for his analysis. You just played high school football and John maddened video games!

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    alex7 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:10 pm

    I thought the Patriots D was outstanding vs the Giants, overall.

    Not sure what you expect Belichick to do. Shut every opponent out? They took the Giants best players out of the game, made other guys beat them. That day, those other guys stepped up.
    =============

    proves my theory, the players will determine the outcome of the game not the coaches or scouting departmnents.

    I will never blame losing the superbowl on chucky knowing our plays.

    I blame the players, in particular robbins, and gannon with his hideous, deer in headlights 5 pick choke-a-thon.

  • DutchRaider77

    Not sure how the Patriots 2011-31st ranked defense compares to Bucs 2002-1st ranked defense?

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Not sure how the Patriots 2011-31st ranked defense compares to Bucs 2002-1st ranked defense?
    ======================

    It doesnt. Again proving my point, there is no excuse for that ridiculously lousy melt down by gannon

  • http://www.wasRaider75.com wasbanned

    HairyBush Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 11:42 am

    Matt Schwab
    —————-
    I BELIEVE IT’S Shaub Jerry lol
    ……

    Jerry was channeling Al Davis there for a second.

  • JLofty

    Sharkcatcher, I don’t even play Madden (much)…
    But I did sleep at a Holiday Inn Express last night!

  • DutchRaider77

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Not sure how the Patriots 2011-31st ranked defense compares to Bucs 2002-1st ranked defense?
    ======================

    It doesnt. Again proving my point, there is no excuse for that ridiculously lousy melt down by gannon

    __________________________________________________

    Kinda suprised by this, I thought you would have argued that Gannon benefitted from the scheme that he was in, once the scheme was exposed by the man who manufactured it, it was over.

    So your argument is that Gannon was a very good QB, but had a very bad game, a melt down? Just asking.

    My point on the 2002 Bucs D v. 2012 Pats D is that if you told Aso what pattern Calvin Johnson was running he could probably defended it (Bucs 2000 D), but if you told Lito Shepherd (Scrub CB) what pattern Calvin Johnson was running he probably would not be able to defend it (Pats 2012 D).

  • M Lonetree

    dear ReggieMc,

    this is contract year for McFifi. his “business decisions” to shut it down each prior season by claiming injury will not hold form in 2012. He’ll take his pain-killing injections this season to remain on the field because of the smell of big bucks.
    best thing to do is to make a worthwhile trade as he still has value and let him tease another franchise. (FYI, more games = more fumbles)

    sincerely,

    m

  • JLofty

    M, McFadden sucks as a RB when he takes pain killers or plays thru the pain. Rather him heathly or let someone else get the reps…

  • alex7

    mistic,

    you think our coaches last year would have put the Patriots D in the same place to succeed as Belichick did this Super Bowl?

    Ehhh. We would have been in too many vanilla defenses getting shredded, blitzing at wrong times, not confusing anyone.

    I feel it was the gameplan that allowed the Patriots average talent on D to keep a very good offense in check for most of the game.

    Talent is pretty standard across the league. Coaches in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England just take different players every year and continue assimilating them into a productive unit.

  • alex7

    lonetree

    the guy was the leading rusher for the first third of the NFL season. Kinda awesome in the passing game as well.

    and all you got is more games = more fumbles?

    weak.

    10 games of McFadden trumps 16 games of 99% of what you’d get in a trade.

  • M Lonetree

    Matt Schlub and “Ice” Ryan are Brad Johnson wannabes. Try to muddle through a career long enough for other players to win them a championship.

  • alex7

    Dutch, good post.

  • DutchRaider77

    @alex7 (Sully)
    Exactly right, the Raiders should schemed on shutting down Welker and the healthy TE. We see that Branch and Johnson had nothing to offer. Just another Failure by Bres.

  • M Lonetree

    Alex,

    believing in the Easter Bunny doesn’t make a rabbit lay eggs.

  • alex7

    Matt Schaub is one of only 7 or 8 QBs in the league that can consistently make the Steelers D look average.

    That’s saying something.

  • alex7

    If the Easter Bunny lays 150 pound egg 10 out of every 16 nights, I’m a believer.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:38 pm

    DutchRaider77 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:17 pm

    Not sure how the Patriots 2011-31st ranked defense compares to Bucs 2002-1st ranked defense?
    ======================

    It doesnt. Again proving my point, there is no excuse for that ridiculously lousy melt down by gannon

    __________________________________________________

    Kinda suprised by this, I thought you would have argued that Gannon benefitted from the scheme that he was in, once the scheme was exposed by the man who manufactured it, it was over.

    So your argument is that Gannon was a very good QB, but had a very bad game, a melt down? Just asking.

    My point on the 2002 Bucs D v. 2012 Pats D is that if you told Aso what pattern Calvin Johnson was running he could probably defended it (Bucs 2000 D), but if you told Lito Shepherd (Scrub CB) what pattern Calvin Johnson was running he probably would not be able to defend it (Pats 2012 D).
    ==============

    Dutch you missed it bra.

    1.) I stated that gannon and his terrible 5 pick choke-a-thon was the main reason for getting blown out in the super bowl, after reading his thoughts in this article.

    2.) someone countered with gruden knowing the plays was the reason for gannons putrid showing on that day. I couldnt disagree more.

    3.) People then followed with raider coaches failing to change audible signals plays formations and so on, and cited this as the catalyst for our destruction.

    4.) I then countered with the fat that we only ran about 8-9 plays in the entire year, and only changed sets and formations. This means every team in the nfl know what were going to do, as they all have scouting departments dedicated to breaking down film, tracking tendencies and so on.

    5.) I also submitted that there is no way for a team to change their entire system days before a game, nor would it be possible to expect the players to be able to execute at a high level a brand new offensive system of check downs and audibles and the like.

    6.) some fool follwed with bilicheat could have done it

    7.) i pointed out that bilicheat couldnt solve the giants even with several years of film and head to head experience.

    No i blame the superbowl on gannon primarily as he puked all over himself and pizzed his pants on the games biggest stage.

    Gannon over rated journey man qb reclamation project whos carriage turned into a pumpkin, and his glass slipper ended up firmly planted in his own back side.

  • alex7

    McFadden was pretty much the only reason we were in position to make the playoffs week 17.

    That 5-3 1st place start actually happened. That complete thrashing of the Jets vaunted run D happened. That Buffalo game where he put up like 250 total yards happened.

    I’ll take that over some 2nd round prayer.

  • M Lonetree

    each year McTease lays an egg which amount to nothing for his team. don’t know if it weighs 150 lbs but it = a goose egg.

  • alex7

    This is kinda bad:

    “I then countered with the fat that we only ran about 8-9 plays in the entire year, and only changed sets and formations.”

    Seriously bad.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    alex7 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:42 pm

    mistic,

    you think our coaches last year would have put the Patriots D in the same place to succeed as Belichick did this Super Bowl?

    Ehhh. We would have been in too many vanilla defenses getting shredded, blitzing at wrong times, not confusing anyone.

    I feel it was the gameplan that allowed the Patriots average talent on D to keep a very good offense in check for most of the game.

    Talent is pretty standard across the league. Coaches in Pittsburgh, Baltimore, and New England just take different players every year and continue assimilating them into a productive unit.
    ========

    interesting theory even if it is speculation, but it has nothing to do with what i have posted.

    i dont see any connection between what you have written and gannons monumental flop job.

  • M Lonetree

    as a fact, McFumbled against the Buffies costing the Raiders a victory which cost them the division.
    McFumble doesn’t and the Buffies wouldn’t have had the time to torch the D.

  • alex7

    keep serving up those McFadden eggs. That and Palmer are about the only thing worth watching on this team, and the only reason we win games.

    But hey, anyone can do what McFadden does I’m sure. Anyone can lead the league in rushing 7 games into a season, while delivering WR-like hands, and punishing blocks.

  • DutchRaider77

    @Mistic

    No i blame the superbowl on gannon primarily as he puked all over himself and pizzed his pants on the games biggest stage.

    Gannon over rated journey man qb reclamation project whos carriage turned into a pumpkin, and his glass slipper ended up firmly planted in his own back side.

    _______________________________________________________

    I just do not think that these opinions are mutually exclusive, Gannon could be what you think he is and Gruden intimate knowledge of the offense and Bucs stud defense all contributed to the Raiders getting smoked in the SB. Raider on!

  • alex7

    Take McFadden out of Buffalo and we score our usual 13 east coast game points.

  • alex7

    This is kinda bad:

    “I then countered with the fat that we only ran about 8-9 plays in the entire year, and only changed sets and formations.”

    Seriously bad.

  • Mistic1 Tha Supavillain

    alex7 Says:
    February 23rd, 2012 at 4:54 pm

    This is kinda bad:

    “I then countered with the fat that we only ran about 8-9 plays in the entire year, and only changed sets and formations.”

    Seriously bad.
    =========

    who cares bra, so your an english major no any football?

  • Gdog

    10 games of McFadden trumps 16 games of 99% of what you’d get in a trade.
    >>>>

    Hell, bring him in mid-season like we did with Bo… depending on how we start the season.

    The success rates of a low first rounder being an impact player is 50/50, IIRC. There’s been studies of this. Draft picks are a great luxury, but they don’t make a team. Look at the Patriots… tons of high draft picks every year and they still depend almost totally on a 6th? round QB for nearly all their wins. If Brady goes down, all those high draft picks leads them to 5 or 6 wins tops…

  • http://www.Raiders.com KoolKell

    This aint Madden Video games. You can’t replace Bush/Mcfadden with the click of a mouse.

  • DutchRaider77

    This aint Madden Video games. You can’t replace Bush/Mcfadden with the click of a mouse.

    ___________________________________________________

    “Pure Rhetoric”
    Although in a ZBS isn’t the running back not as important-(See Broncos and Texans)…(Only in that when Foster went down [Hammy], Ben Tate did very well)

  • J Hill

    Exactly right, the Raiders should schemed on shutting down Welker and the healthy TE.

    ———————————————————-

    Not sure we had the personel to pull that off.

    I remember looking forward to Huff being man to man and pressing Welker all game. He was hurt and didn’t play.

    CJ37 was also out.

    Wasn’t Groves still starting at OLB for us too?

  • Gdog

    This aint Madden Video games. You can’t replace Bush/Mcfadden with the click of a mouse.
    >>>>

    Not McFadden.

    But most of the top teams rely on journeymen RB’s… no team pays tons of money for two RB’s.

    This is now a QB’s league… the rules have made it so.

  • DutchRaider77

    Exactly right, the Raiders should schemed on shutting down Welker and the healthy TE.

    ———————————————————-

    Not sure we had the personel to pull that off.

    I remember looking forward to Huff being man to man and pressing Welker all game. He was hurt and didn’t play.

    CJ37 was also out.

    Wasn’t Groves still starting at OLB for us too?

    ________________________________________________

    I would have liked the Raiders to have keyed on Welker with Routt or bracketed him, not sure he would have pulled this off. Didn’t Branch shut down their TE? It just seemed they treat all the receivers the same.