Turbin worth a look if Bush walks
By Jerry McDonald - NFL Writer
Monday, February 27th, 2012 at 8:54 am in Oakland Raiders.
Note: Meant to post this yesterday before signing off for a week but was derailed by a Southwest Airlines WiFi that was slower then the early days of dial-up . . .
The vibe I’m getting is that the Raiders have zero intention of franchising leading rusher Michael Bush, given their commitment to a normal salary structure and the presence of strong safety Tyvon Branch also as an unrestricted free agent. Coach Dennis Allen has talked up Darren McFadden, which means he’s the feature back, and there’s no way the Raiders commit more than $7 million to a complementary back.
And that’s probably what Bush is. He did an admirable job taking over when McFadden’s mid-foot sprain derailed his season, with one of the best games any Raiders’ running back (Marcus, Bo, Napoleon Kaufman, you name it) has ever had again the San Diego Chargers. While it’s conceivable Bush numbers tailed off toward the end of the season because the Raiders became more predictable or the line wasn’t blocking as well, the fact is it happened.
So maybe it’s possible other teams see this during the free agency period and Bush comes back at a reasonable price if there is no big bounty to be had. Usually, however, one of 31 teams will ante up.
If so, keep the name Robert Turbin in mind. He was the subject of my Monday story in Bay Area News Group papers and is a Bay Area product who has flown under the radar after helping two institutions without much of a reputation for football success into winners. He did it at Fremont’s Irvington High School, a perennial also-ran which won a league title and in consecutive years advanced to the North Coast Section finals and semifinals.
Turbin did it at Utah State, which went 7-6 in his junior year _ the first winning season for the school since 1993. After missing the previous season with a torn ACL, Turbin was the Western Athletic Conference Player of the Year after rushing for 1,517 yards and 19 touchdowns. Check him out on YouTube and you’ll find him leveling some tacklers and breaking into the open field and finishing some long runs as well. He can catch out of the backfield or downfield. He can block, and at 5-foot-10, 220 pounds has been called the best built back in the draft outside of Alabama’s Trent Richardson.
His high school coach, Bob Spain, called coaching Turbin a “once in a lifetime” experience and said, “he’s what happens when genetics meets work ethic.”
Despite his breakaway runs, which indicates he is faster on game day than in a track setup, Turbin’s 40-yard dash time was a concern. It’s not any longer, as he ran a respectable 4.5 flat at the combine. Whether that puts Turbin out of reach for the Raiders remains to be seen. They’ll pick No. 97 at the earliest after supplemental picks are awarded at the NFL owner’s meetings next month.
If Bush moves on, it seems awfully risky to leave their running game in the hands of McFadden and Taiwan Jones, given their recent injury history. As Allen noted, offensive coordinator Greg Knapp has gotten a lot of yards out of a lot of different runners with different styles.
Turbin is confident _ “A lot of people compare me to Marshall Faulk and Steven Jackson” _ without being cocky. He’s engaging and earnest, a player Spain said never took a day off and lifted the play of everyone around him. He was such a devastating defensive player in high school he was the MVAL defensive player of the year as a junior and Spain advised him to take a scholarship offer to Boise State to be a safety. That means he’d probably be a beast on special teams, a role Turbin said he would love.
The NFL is full of mid-round running backs who flourish in the right system. Keep in mind Bush was a fourth-round pick because of a severely broken ankle at Louisville.
Turbin could end up being that kind of story for somebody.
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February 27th, 2012 at 8:59 am
The vibe I’m getting is that the Raiders have zero intention of franchising leading rusher Michael Bush, given their commitment to a normal salary structure and the presence of strong safety Tyvon Branch also as an unrestricted free agent.
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not surprised, but thanks Jerry!
February 27th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Bush for Turbin…hmmm…
February 27th, 2012 at 9:00 am
Nope
February 27th, 2012 at 9:01 am
See, Reggie is no fool. We like you Michael Bush, but we don’t $7 million dollars like you.
Happy trails to you!
February 27th, 2012 at 9:01 am
If Bush moves on, it seems awfully risky to leave their running game in the hands of McFadden and Taiwan Jones, given their recent injury history. As Allen noted, offensive coordinator Greg Knapp has gotten a lot of yards out of a lot of different runners with different styles.
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Marcel Reece & Lonyae Miller will be fine relief runners in the zbs behind DMAC & TJones
February 27th, 2012 at 9:02 am
Don’t see it happening unless Turbin is there in round 5. The Raiders have already shown plenty of interest in Ganaway. If they draft anyone, he’ll be the guy. They’ll probably pick up a UDFA and see what Lonyae Miller has to offer, as well.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am
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February 27th, 2012 at 9:04 am
O, even if Tebow was …… I’d still be impressed with him.
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Why dude? What has he done to impress you? He is a QB that can’t throw!
February 27th, 2012 at 9:09 am
Reece can handle load, once bush walks! Branch going to get the tag.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Good post Jerry. Regardless of McFadden’s history of injuries and Bush’s pending departure, RB is low on the priority list behind LB, CB, Safety, DL, OL, and back up QB. Hopefully, Turbin does not get drafted and he can come in as a free agent.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:11 am
1/16/12: In 2011, Turbin averaged 6.1 yards per carry with 1,517 yards rushing and 19 touchdowns. He caught 17 passes for 171 yards and four scores as well. In 2009, Turbin broke out with 1,296 yards and 13 touchdowns. He missed the 2010 season because of an injury. Turbin is put together well and is an elusive runner. According to Walter football.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:13 am
Paraphrasing Jim Rome talking about Lebron on XM:
Lebron did what he does, went from beast mode during the game to turtle mode at the end of the game.
lmao
February 27th, 2012 at 9:14 am
I want R Ganaway. He is 5′11 240, and he runs over people.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:16 am
T Ganaway.
1/16/12: Some teams in the NFL could look at Ganaway as a fullback. For the Bears, he played running back and had a good senior season. Ganaway ran against very easy fronts because teams played the deep part of the field to try to limit quarterback Robert Griffin III and wide receiver Kendall Wright. Ganaway ran for 1,547 yards (6.2 average) and 21 touchdowns in 2011. He has a nice mix of size and speed to run through tackles and break off some long runs. In the NFL, Ganaway could be a hybrid power back and fullback. He needs to improve on his receiving ability as he totaled only 12 receptions for 133 yards and one touchdown in his collegiate career. (Walter football)
February 27th, 2012 at 9:17 am
What has he done to impress you? He is a QB that can’t throw!
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O,
he’s a good dude that does a lot for the community and lives a life that is beyond reproach. he sticks to his beliefs, which is admirable in that profession. he’s a role model to christian kids who want to play professional sports. he’s going about it the right way.
He’s still young and can improve as a football player. You think McClain will improve in Year #3, but Tebow can’t or won’t? whats the difference? Tebow carried that team on his back and willed them into the playoffs and to a win against the vaunted Steelers Defense.
Elway & Fox obviously wanted to hate the guy. He entered last offseason #4 on the QB depth chart. he’s surpassing expectations, especially of those who said he’ll be a FB or TE in the NFL. I hope he gets cut or traded, so that he lands on a different NFL team and gets a shot to compete for the starting job. I hate that he got draft by Dungver of all teams. It’s be much easier to root for the guy if he played for Cleveland, Seattle or Jacksonville!
Gotta love his work ethic, heart, leadership & grit. He doesn’t just take a hit, but he gives one. Not many QB’s in today’s game willing to risk it all by doing that.
bring on the hate, bros
February 27th, 2012 at 9:18 am
I thought Bush broke his leg, not his ankle Jerry. It was right above the ankle, but not the ankle itself I thought.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:18 am
I freakin love the “jungle’ I live in place I can’t hear it everyday (to cheap to pay on-line) Rome cracks me up and spanks those who need it. I like Cowherd too. They both tell it like it is
February 27th, 2012 at 9:21 am
I hope Denver gets Peyton Manning in FA and trades Tebow to J-Ville for a 4th or 5th rounder …
that would be ideal imo
February 27th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Really impressed with McClellin’s athleticism. Confirms what we see on gameday. Really hope he falls to #97…
February 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
bring on the hate, bros
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I agree with just about everything you said. He is a great role model and a very humble, blessed individual. What if he was our back-up? It would be easier to root for him if he wasn’t a donkey.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:23 am
YA, I’m wit u on that!
February 27th, 2012 at 9:24 am
i watched this guy yesterday (apparently i missed Jerry’s article) he looks lioke a beast, has good moves, and catches the ball sweeeeet. he would fit in nicely as an inside runner. did i mention he’s a freeekin rock>
February 27th, 2012 at 9:24 am
A man who falls on his knees in prayer any time a camera appears to prove to the world what a Christian he is. @ things you will never see Tim Tebow with: 1) a Superbowl ring 2) a girlfriend. Superchristian cakeboy.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:25 am
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/draft/players/1272825/robert-turbin
February 27th, 2012 at 9:27 am
he’s a good dude that does a lot for the community and lives a life that is beyond reproach. he sticks to his beliefs, which is admirable in that profession. he’s a role model to christian kids who want to play professional sports. he’s going about it the right way.
Gotta love his work ethic, heart, leadership & grit. He doesn’t just take a hit, but he gives one. Not many QB’s in today’s game willing to risk it all by doing that.
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I like all those things too. I wish more Raiders players shared his work ethic, leadership. I also like faith, and I respect him A LOT for it, but keep in mind that we are talking about him as a football player.
As a football player, he is a QB that can’t throw, which shouldn’t earn him all this hype and love. A lot of players share those traits with Tebow, but they don’t get any hype. Why?
February 27th, 2012 at 9:27 am
YA,
what determines which comp pick we’ll get for Nnamdi?
do we get the best available since he entered FA as the #1 player on the market or does it go by his performance in Philly?
If it’s the latter, I’m going to assume that other FA’s outplayed him and added more to their new squad and therefore moved higher up the chain
February 27th, 2012 at 9:28 am
From what I’ve heard, draft status and playing time for his new team are the two major factors. Both of which seem to indicate the Raiders will get pick #97.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I can’t help but think of a camel jockey with the last name Turbin.
Bush will be replaced, guaranteed.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:34 am
Jason Babin hard a better season than Nnamdi, and he made the PB. I think Ten gets the 1st comp pick unless Nnamdi’s Salary is more of a factor than Babin’s stats and PB appearance.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:36 am
February 27th, 2012 at 9:34 am
I can’t help but think of a camel jockey with the last name Turbin.
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Wow!!!!
They are called Arabs.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I’ve watched this Turbin kid play since he was 10 years old, playing with my son on the Bills in the Fremont Football League, and against my son in high school. He was always like a man playing against boys, with speed, power and instinct. He is a very humble and nice kid, never put himself above the team, very polite, and always helpful to his teammates. The Raiders would do well to pick him up in the draft.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:37 am
A man who falls on his knees in prayer any time a camera appears to prove to the world what a Christian he is. @ things you will never see Tim Tebow with: 1) a Superbowl ring 2) a girlfriend. Superchristian cakeboy.
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JWB,
you assume that his faith isn’t real? that it’s manufactured to receive media hype?
thats pretty low. we don’t know anything about the man’s personal life or spiritual connection.
Also, plenty of Christian dudes have gf’s. I should know.
As far as a SB ring? Many QB’s who have played for the Raiders share that feeling. Rich Gannon, Carson Palmer & Jason Campbell have how many rings?
February 27th, 2012 at 9:37 am
I think compensatory picks are based on the number of years a player was with that team, where they were drafted, how productive they were with the former team. I’m not so sure what they did with the new team goes into consideration.
I’m just speculating based on what I’ve seen in past years though.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Playing time with the new team is a factor, yes.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:40 am
From what I’ve heard, draft status and playing time for his new team are the two major factors. Both of which seem to indicate the Raiders will get pick #97.
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YA,
define “draft status”.
who has more picks?
who won more games?
who has comp picks from other players coming?
February 27th, 2012 at 9:41 am
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:39 am
Playing time with the new team is a factor, yes.
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Ok, thanks.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:42 am
INDIANAPOLIS — Within hours of joining Dennis Allen’s staff, new Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp made a phone call to his quarterback.
Initially, there were questions about Carson Palmer’s future with the Raiders after Hue Jackson, the man who brought him to Oakland in a blockbuster trade, was fired.
But there is no longer any uncertainty about Palmer’s role with the Raiders in 2012.
Both Allen and Knapp have come out in strong support of the Raiders incumbent quarterback.
“I’ve heard all these great things about him before I got here and since I’ve been here,” Knapp told CSNBayArea.com before returning from the NFL scouting combine.
“Talking to him on the phone about a half-dozen times, and I think I’m just as excited to work with him as he is to work in our offense.”
Knapp, who previously worked for the Raiders during the forgettable Lane Kiffin era, is excited, all right. He used a form of the word six times in a six-minute interview.
What’s not to be excited about?
Knapp spent the past three seasons as quarterbacks coach with the Houston Texans. The allure of returning to California was great, but he said he was even more eager to sign on with Allen and new general manager Reggie McKenzie.
[REWIND: Raiders hire Knapp as offensive coordinator]
“There’s a definite positive vibe going on,” Knapp said. “I was very excited to see what Reggie’s plan was when I came in and initially met with him.
“D.A.’s energy is contagious with everybody. The players are feeling it. The guys who have been in the building for a long time — equipment guys, trainers, video guys — are feeling it. It’s neat to be a part of something at the ground level and build this thing.”
[RELATED: Video - Q&A with Raiders head coach Denis Allen]
There isn’t a whole lot of building that needs to happen on offense, as Knapp already has the main component of a passing game with a veteran quarterback. And he is reunited with one of the more dynamic running backs in the league.
“I was here last in 2008, and Darren McFadden was a rookie that year,” Knapp said. “I’m excited to get back with him. He really fits our run scheme well, as far as the zone scheme which I’ll be implementing with our coaches. That’s a great starting point for me.”
While Knapp has been in the NFL, he has been on staffs that regularly enjoyed success on the ground with such running backs of varied styles, such as Garrison Hearst (49ers), Warrick Dunn (Atlanta), Justin Fargas (Raiders) and undrafted Arian Foster (Houston).
And Knapp believes McFadden has the perfect running style for the offense the Raiders will employ.
“He doesn’t mess around when he runs,” Knapp said. “When he makes a cut, he’s going north and south. And he has the ability to go the distance any time the ball is in his hands. That’s hard to find in this business because there is so much speed on the field on defense. Darren has the attributes to be able to take the ball all the way and score.”
Knapp said in addition to Palmer and McFadden, he has also spoken with pending free agent running back Michael Bush, backup quarterback Terrelle Pryor and guard Cooper Carlisle. Due to new NFL rules, his first chance to begin coaching the new system to the players will be April 2.
“There will be a learning curve,” he said. “I think that happens with any transition with a new team. But we’ll have plenty of time to get it implemented. Whenever we’re in a start-up mode like we are here, like a start-up company, it’s my job to make sure that we don’t do everything at once but piece it correctly together. We’ll have building blocks, so to speak, to implement the offense.”
And he’ll have plenty of help.
Steve Wisniewski was retained from the former staff as an assistant offensive line coach. Knapp added Frank Pollack, with whom he coached with the Houston Texans. Pollack knows the zone scheme from his training with legendary line coach Alex Gibbs and Texans line coach John Benton.
The Raiders also retained running backs coach Kelly Skipper, who served on the same Oakland staff with Knapp in 2007 and 2008. Another key individual retained is veteran coach Al Saunders, who held the title of offensive coordinator under Jackson and is back as “senior offensive assistant.”
“It was great to be able to retain Al Saunders, who knows football and football’s football,” Knapp said “And he has enough years of experience, and he’ll be very helpful in game-planning and talking about personnel.”
With Allen’s background on the defensive side, Knapp figures to have autonomy to run the show on offense. But Knapp said he does not look at it that way.
“I want Reggie’s input on personnel and D.A.’s input on football stuff,” Knapp said. “Those are two bright minds. That was a big reason I came here. The environment of how Reggie and D.A. envision the building and the team really coincides with what I believe it takes to play winning football. So I’m looking forward to getting a chance to work with those guys to help implement our offense and work together to win a championship.”
Read more: Knapp excited to return as part of new Raiders regime
Tune to SportsNet Central at 6, 10:30 and midnight on Comcast SportsNet Bay Area for more on this story
February 27th, 2012 at 9:45 am
Compensatory picksIn addition to the 32 picks in each round, there are a total of 32 picks awarded at the ends of Rounds 3 through 7. These picks, known as “compensatory picks,” are awarded to teams that have lost more qualifying free agents than they gained the previous year in free agency. Teams that gain and lose the same number of players but lose higher-valued players than they gain also can be awarded a pick, but only in the seventh round, after the other compensatory picks. Compensatory picks cannot be traded, and the placement of the picks is determined by a proprietary formula based on the player’s salary, playing time, and postseason honors with his new team, with salary being the primary factor. So, for example, a team that lost a linebacker who signed for $2.5 million per year in free agency might get a sixth-round compensatory pick, while a team that lost a wide receiver who signed for $5 million per year might receive a fourth-round pick.
If fewer than 32 such picks are awarded, the remaining picks are awarded in the order in which teams would pick in a hypothetical eighth round of the draft (These are known as “supplemental compensatory selections”).
Compensatory picks are awarded each year at the NFL annual meeting which is held at the end of March; typically, about three or four weeks before the draft.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:46 am
define “draft status”.
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Sorry, meant “contract” status. Length and amount of money from the new team.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:47 am
I’m just going off what Corkran (or Jerry McD?) has said, though. I don’t think anyone REALLY knows what the NFL’s formula is.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:47 am
A lot of players share those traits with Tebow, but they don’t get any hype. Why?
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O,
name me one other player who has received as much criticism & adversity as Tebow, yet taken a a terrible football team to the playoffs and beat what has been a Top 3 Defense for the past decade…
he can’t throw. he can’t read a defense. he costed McDaniels his job. Lloyd & Royal wont play for him. Fox & Elway hate him. McCoy’s offense was junk because all Tebow is good for the the OPTION.
the kid is a winner. winning cures everything, doesn’t it?
he’s not unstoppable, but who is? you guys expecting him to be Tom Brady, Phil Rivers, Eli Manning, etc just because he went in Rd1 to the pathetic Donkeys?
February 27th, 2012 at 9:48 am
I met a few People around the world that hate America & Americans, but they never use insults to describe Americans. Americans have racist names for everyone. Asians, Latin Americans, Arabs, Africans, etc….
Race is a huge issue in this country, which is very sad since this place is more diverse than most countries I know.
That’s why we can talk about Lin’s background as a factor for his hype but not Tebow.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:48 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:17 am
What has he done to impress you? He is a QB that can’t throw!
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O,
he’s a good dude that does a lot for the community and lives a life that is beyond reproach. he sticks to his beliefs, which is admirable in that profession. he’s a role model to christian kids who want to play professional sports. he’s going about it the right way.
He’s still young and can improve as a football player. You think McClain will improve in Year #3, but Tebow can’t or won’t? whats the difference? Tebow carried that team on his back and willed them into the playoffs and to a win against the vaunted Steelers Defense.
Elway & Fox obviously wanted to hate the guy. He entered last offseason #4 on the QB depth chart. he’s surpassing expectations, especially of those who said he’ll be a FB or TE in the NFL. I hope he gets cut or traded, so that he lands on a different NFL team and gets a shot to compete for the starting job. I hate that he got draft by Dungver of all teams. It’s be much easier to root for the guy if he played for Cleveland, Seattle or Jacksonville!
Gotta love his work ethic, heart, leadership & grit. He doesn’t just take a hit, but he gives one. Not many QB’s in today’s game willing to risk it all by doing that.
bring on the hate, bros
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Yeah but if he plays like a running bakc he’s gonna have the shelf-life of a running back. 2-3 more years MAX.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:50 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
February 27th, 2012 at 9:51 am
Thanks Dakota, I was way off on the comp picks. Should have known better than to post on pure “speculation” around here!
I swear I remember hearing that the number of years spent with the previous team fit into the equation somehow…
February 27th, 2012 at 9:54 am
YA,
based upon what you’ve speculated.. I agree with you that we will receive a Top 100 draft selection in 2012 for “losing” Nnamdi Asomugha
February 27th, 2012 at 9:55 am
RR,
You can still like Tebow when he plays RB/ FB. That will not change his traits or faith.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:56 am
It’s a great day to be a Raiders fan. Isn’t it?!
Carl — You need to acknowledge your statement above was offensive, and say you’ll not use the term again…this ain’t the place for that stuff.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Race is a huge issue in this country, which is very sad since this place is more diverse than most countries I know.
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I think it’s diversity that is a part of the problem for a lot of people. Having said that I’m white and 3 of my best friends are from Chile, Pakistan and Vietnam. We all use racial slurs all the time. It’s just words, people need to lighten up.
February 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC.. afternoon sir !!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Yeah but if he plays like a running back he’s gonna have the shelf-life of a running back. 2-3 more years MAX
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R-talk,
Agreed. Denver may try to make him a pocket passer
Mike McCoy & Adam Gase tell Fox & Elway it’s a lost cause, he could be released or traded THIS offseason.
If that happens, I predict they’ll revert back to a 4 win football team and cellar dweller for the AFC West
February 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
HD37,
Nothing worse than a racist Raider Fan.
Al/ Raiders are always above that crap. Look at things we have done as an org.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:01 am
R8ER MIKE Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 9:57 am
DMAC.. afternoon sir !!
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How was that weekend?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
OK HD37, I’ll give myself a timeout… I live in an area wher I’m a minority and I hear shlt all the time, sometimes in a friendly ball busting manner, sometimes not. Not once have I ever gotten upset over it.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:02 am
Having said that I’m white
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Really??
It was hard to guess.
LMAO
February 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I forget how easily some people are offended. I apologize, carry on with your day.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
… and with the 100th pick, the Raiders select …
February 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
had a GREAT weekend DMAC..
so good it started on Wednesday !!!!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:07 am
Carl Weathers Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:03 am
I forget how easily some people are offended. I apologize, carry on with your day.
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People are offended by racism?!?!
How dare they?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:08 am
lol lol liquor store had to re-stock Miller lite by Sunday !!! lol lol
February 27th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Mike,
I got wasted on Friday and was never really able to bounce back.
lol
February 27th, 2012 at 10:10 am
You can still like Tebow when he plays RB/ FB. That will not change his traits or faith.
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O,
if Terrelle Pryor won the AFC West with unconventional QB play, would you ask him to switch positions?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
RR,
Are you comparing Tebow to TP? You sir are no longer the president of the TP club.
TP > Tebow > Locker
February 27th, 2012 at 10:12 am
Looking at last year Carolina was awarded the 97th pick for losing Julius Peppers. They also lost A.J.Feely and received a 6th rounder.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:13 am
lol lol.. didnt even try to bounce back.. got sh1t faced Wednesday and tried my best to stay that way untill Sunday !!lol lol lol.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:14 am
Knapp said in addition to Palmer and McFadden, he has also spoken with pending free agent running back Michael Bush, backup quarterback Terrelle Pryor and guard Cooper Carlisle.
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Interesting group of players there.
Pryor, eh?
Maybe we do have our backup on the roster afterall.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
thank God for tasty buds and cold 30 packs of Miller Lite
February 27th, 2012 at 10:15 am
BTW,
If TP throws like Tebow, I would ask to move him to WR.
I can throw better than Tebow.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Hard to believe Allen is putting so much faith in McFragile. The guy has missed more games than he’s started so what makes him think that will change. Jones gets hurt just waking up in the morning. Maybe it’s just lip service at this point. Either way the defense is the most glaring need. Turbin will be gone long before the Raiders pick. Next!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:16 am
Raider O, racist slurs are everywhere. Music, movies, TV etc. How do you survive?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:17 am
Maybe we do have our backup on the roster afterall.
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Future star QB.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:18 am
Are you comparing Tebow to TP? You sir are no longer the president of the TP club.
If TP throws like Tebow, I would ask to move him to WR.
I can throw better than Tebow.
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O,
I didn’t compare the players. I asked you a simple question
Should I assume the answer is Yes?
Pryor wins the AFC West with less than spectacular QB play and we ask him to play WR the next season?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
So the Eagles having an idiot D-Coordinator actually has ramifications to our comp pick of Aso? That sucks…
February 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
RaiderO and Dakota — I apologize for spreading the proverbial manure the other day, then having to split for the weekend. My statements about DMC hurting in college were true…but there’s only one notable injury in news reports (the off-field toe injury).
I have a lot of family in Podunk (all over the area where RRS lives, plus Arkansas and Okla)…watching DMC in college and hearing news during the week kept us fully aware of how the team was doing (not just DMC). His “nicks” and dings didn’t keep him from starting college games…but they sure were a factor in him splitting so many carries.
Yes, his feet hurt in college…and yes, his shoulders were sore from pounding (same stuff as today, except he’s missing games now). Can I give you scouting reports? No. But…there are reasons DMC was off the field so much and sharing carries. It’s not like the coaches wanted their best player on the sidelines so much.
I apologize for not having citations to prove he was sore in college (I’ve always said he played exceptionally well, and didn’t miss games)…but, I will continue to make this point:
DMC was one of the most highly-touted RB’s to ever hit the draft. He’s one of the most dynamic players in the NFL when he’s healthy. DMC was the most dynamic part-time player in the country when he was in college…and he’s the most electrifying part-time player in the NFL. Arkansas couldn’t rely on DMC to carry the load (25+/- carries per game, every game), and neither can the Raiders.
NO NO NO to DMC + an unproven Taiwan…or to DMC + an unproven rookie. If not MBush, we need another steady, sturdy & productive veteran RB.
I’m more than OK with hanging on to DMC — he’s as exciting as it gets when on the field — but not if we expect him to get 35+/- total touches per game. We need somebody else to take 40% of that load…and there’s nobody on the roster to do that if Bush walks.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:23 am
CW,
I watch discovery, NGT, animal planet, history, so I don’t hear/ see racism on TV.
I deal with educated/ smart people, so I don’t hear racism.
I worked as a used car sakesman in the car business, not a classy job, and I never faced racism.
Maybe it’s just you.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
INDIANAPOLIS — Within hours of joining Dennis Allen’s staff, new Raiders offensive coordinator Greg Knapp made a phone call to his quarterback.
Initially, there were questions about Carson Palmer’s future with the Raiders after Hue Jackson, the man who brought him to Oakland in a blockbuster trade, was fired.
But there is no longer any uncertainty about Palmer’s role with the Raiders in 2012.
Both Allen and Knapp have come out in strong support of the Raiders incumbent quarterback.
“I’ve heard all these great things about him before I got here and since I’ve been here,” Knapp told CSNBayArea.com before returning from the NFL scouting combine.
“Talking to him on the phone about a half-dozen times, and I think I’m just as excited to work with him as he is to work in our offense.”
Knapp, who previously worked for the Raiders during the forgettable Lane Kiffin era, is excited, all right. He used a form of the word six times in a six-minute interview.
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Allen + Knapp + Palmer = Raiders 2012 AFC West Champs!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:25 am
I didn’t compare the players. I asked you a simple question
Should I assume the answer is Yes?
$$$$$$$$$$
Yes, but I don’t think TP will get the chance to win the AFC west if he throws like Tebow.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Terrell Pryor would have been right up there with RGIII’s combine performance had he been a participant.
Would he be the 3rd QB on the board?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:26 am
Terrell Pryor would have been right up there with RGIII’s combine performance had he been a participant.
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His production doesn’t come anywhere close to Griffin’s.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:29 am
Is there any chance Cleveland would be interested in the Ohio kid Pryor?
Wouldn’t cost them nearly as much as RGIII.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
And…RRS — Hemingway’s?? You really have assimilated, haven’t you?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
YA,
Are you saying he wouldn’t have put up comparable COMBINE numbers to RGIII?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:31 am
So far, NASCAR is in prime time tonight. No Fox regular schedule tonight. Race is supposed to run at 7 PM EST.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:32 am
So what’s the deal with this Alabama DT we may have a shot at late due to injury?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
So far, NASCAR is in prime time tonight. No Fox regular schedule tonight. Race is supposed to run at 7 PM EST.
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DAMN.. Looks like i will need to call in drunk… whoops …i mean sick tomorrow !!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:33 am
Can we assume that all the agents fell in line since no one was cut?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
YA,
Are you saying he wouldn’t have put up comparable COMBINE numbers to RGIII?
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Affirmative…. with Luck being 1, RGIII and Pryor would be 2A, and 2B.
RGIII is the truth, no one throws a better ball IMO.
TP will be the next GREAT Raider…
February 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
I’m a delivery driver so I really don’t have a lot of time to post on this site, but I am making time right now to thank all the I “infomative” bloggers who post here. The Bible and this site are the two things I make sure to read daily. While other raider sites a dead this time of year this blog keeps pushing out raider info. U guys are the ones that make this site, not corky or jerry. Much love nation
February 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
So Luck ran a 4.59 40 and out-jumped Cam Newton’s numbers from last year in the vert.
Say what white boy?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Don’t get the thrill of watching cars drive around in a big circle.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
agree Thec.. as long as we dont trade Pryor for picks in this years draft.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
lol lol J Hill.. its not a circle its an oval !!! lol lol lol
February 27th, 2012 at 10:36 am
Is there any chance Cleveland would be interested in the Ohio kid Pryor?
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Jhill,
Cleveland had 3 chances to grab him ahead of us in the Supp draft. I’m guessing they aren’t interested. Either that or they thought he’d slip to RD 5 or 6 and they’d get him for a steal (and peanuts contract)
He didn’t do anything to increase or decrease his draft stock last season. Would would his trade value be at this point? 3rd rounder? There is virtually no tape of him playing football in 2011. Is he worth spending a 3rd rounder on over other 3rd round QB prospects in 2012 who did play football last year (in college)?
I want him to be our #2 QB in 2012, but if somebody offers us a 1st or 2nd rounder for some reason – you have to consider it, if not pounce on it!
bigger fish to fry than backup QB at this point ..
February 27th, 2012 at 10:37 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Don’t get the thrill of watching cars drive around in a big circle.
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Yeah, me either.
I rather check out a high speed chase in da hood.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:38 am
bigger fish to fry than backup QB at this point ..
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The D is allready over cooked…
Throw that SOB out, and start from scratch….
February 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
da trinity Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
I’m a delivery driver so I really don’t have a lot of time to post on this site, but I am making time right now to thank all the I “infomative” bloggers who post here. The Bible and this site are the two things I make sure to read daily. While other raider sites a dead this time of year this blog keeps pushing out raider info. U guys are the ones that make this site, not corky or jerry. Much love nation
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Truth. The semi-pro’s fill in the dead spots when Cork and Jer are dozing off. Really not much going on, but Raider Nation lives here.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:35 am
Don’t get the thrill of watching cars drive around in a big circle.
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It would be much more fun to watch if the track was a figure eight.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Hemingway’s?? You really have assimilated, haven’t you?
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@HD37
you know it, bruh!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:39 am
HD37,
I spent a good hour searching the net for anything that talked about DMAC’s injuries at college, and like you said, the only thing available is that off the field incident. I’m sure people that watched him play can’t tell you more about him than I can since I only watched a few games.
I don’t think anyone is expecting DMAC to touch the ball 35+, but I think Most if us think he can do great things with 20-25 touches per game.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
not corky or jerry. Much love nation
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hahahahahahahahahahaha….Truth
February 27th, 2012 at 10:40 am
Who signed Travis Ivey, Reggie or Hue?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:30 am
YA,
Are you saying he wouldn’t have put up comparable COMBINE numbers to RGIII?
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Combine numbers, sure. Doesn’t mean he’d be the 3rd QB off the board.
Foles and Cousins are much more polished players, also produced more than Pryor, and don’t have any character concerns.
RGIII’s draft status isn’t because of his combine performance. It’s because he’s an insanely productive QB who has all the tools that NFL scouts look for. The combine numbers for RGIII are just the icing on the cake. He’s also a humble, down-to-earth kid who tries hard and wants to do things the right way.
The knock on Pryor from most NFL talent evaluators, outside of his lack of production, was that he’s cocky and that he’s more interested in cutting corners than doing things the right way. Those things won’t sink a productive player, but they’re enough to turn a player of Pryor’s status into a supplemental 3rd round pick.
For his sake (and that of the Raiders), I hope Pryor proves everyone wrong.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Thec,
Whats hannenin’?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
It would be much more fun to watch if the track was a figure eight.
LMAO! Sick b@stard!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
The key is improving the defense enough to protect leads so we don’t need to use McFadden 20+ times a game to win.
McF was averaging 18.5 carries, and 3 receptions per game before coming up injured.
This should be reduced, especially the first half of the season, IMO. Use him 20+ times a game once we hit the playoffs… or fighting to get into the playoffs at the end of the season.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I rather check out a high speed chase in da hood.
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It was a good one in the OC last week.
White dude carjacked someone at the gas pump, chase ensued, cops unloaded on the guy when he pulled up in another gas station.
Funniest part was the older Asian cat caught in the cross fire. Didn’t looke paniced at all. Just ducked down and stayed outta the way, lol.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
DMAC Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Thec,
Whats hannenin’?
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Same story, diff day Bruh…Whats good???
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
TP does have a peanuts contract…especially considering how much he would’ve made as a (at a minimum) late 1st-rounder this year.
If TP can be #2 QB this season (by beating-out someone else, not by simply naming him the #2), he will be a GREAT signing at the price. If, as a clear-cut starter, he ever does step under Center for the Raiders, TP will be one of the Raiders’ greatest ever draft decisions.
TP was WELL worth the risk as a supplemental pick.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:34 am
So Luck ran a 4.59 40 and out-jumped Cam Newton’s numbers from last year in the vert.
Say what white boy?
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO.
People don’t give Luck enough credit as an athlete.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:43 am
how can you not like NASCAR. what other sport can you get drunk at the start, sleep thur the middle, have dinner at the end . and not miss one bit of the action !!!! gotta love the all American red-neck sport !!
February 27th, 2012 at 10:44 am
What a dumb artical. I was ready to have this talk yesterday..
February 27th, 2012 at 10:45 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
I rather check out a high speed chase in da hood.
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It was a good one in the OC last week.
White dude carjacked someone at the gas pump, chase ensued, cops unloaded on the guy when he pulled up in another gas station.
Funniest part was the older Asian cat caught in the cross fire. Didn’t looke paniced at all. Just ducked down and stayed outta the way, lol.
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There’s always crazy schit going on everywhere.
We should start carrying our camcorders.
Could make a killing on youtube or a local news station.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
YA,
Bigger picture is simply the athleticism and what teams MIGHT be enamored with it.
Tebowmania, Luck being athletic, and RGIII’s performance might have some team looking for a guy “like” them with “potential” and all.
Pryor has a resume that is better than a lot of guy who have gone in the first round. I’m not even really arguing that they guy would be a top 10 pick. But he certainly would go higher than Colin Kapernicky types, right?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
TP, will EARN the backup postion during camp no doubt in my mind….
I annot wait to see him rip in preasea, as the young man has it…
February 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
The D is allready over cooked…
Throw that SOB out, and start from scratch….
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@Thec
throw out the entire defense?
I’m going to make a list of 11 projected starters based upon who is currently under contract for 2012. you tell me who stays & who goes – Cool?
ShoNasty, Seymour, Kelly, Houston, Wimbley, McClain, Curry, CJ37, Huff, Mitchell & DVD …
Branch, Giordano, Sheppard, Boyd, McCann, Bryant, Brodine, Moss, Scott, Blackstock & Groves are already free agents!
Depth guys under contract include (but are not limited to): Henderson, Goethel, Chekwa & Eugene.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Thec Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:42 am
DMAC Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:41 am
Thec,
Whats hannenin’?
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Same story, diff day Bruh…Whats good???
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Blessed to be alive and have a job.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:48 am
Wow Vontaze Burfict just ran a 4.93… He’s just gonna keep on dropping down the board
February 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I’m all for keeping Pryor, by the way.
Just still trying to figure out what we have in this kid.
I see Palmer playing QB for us for a long time though. Will he ever see the field as a Raider?
Why develop him and watch him go somewhere else when his rookie contract is up?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Dontari Poe is such a monster. I was hoping before the combine that he’d slide into the middle rounds where the Raiders could use a compensatory pick or trade up to get him.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Who do you guys think will be there at pick #97?
February 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
I’m a big fan of Shane Skov.
Whats the word on this dude?
Is he still rehabbing?
Is he staying put at Stanford?
Would love to see him in the silver and black.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:52 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:46 am
YA,
Bigger picture is simply the athleticism and what teams MIGHT be enamored with it.
Tebowmania, Luck being athletic, and RGIII’s performance might have some team looking for a guy “like” them with “potential” and all.
Pryor has a resume that is better than a lot of guy who have gone in the first round. I’m not even really arguing that they guy would be a top 10 pick. But he certainly would go higher than Colin Kapernicky types, right?
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Kaepernick produced, too. Much stronger resume than Pryor.
If he entered this draft, he’d be the 4th or 5th QB off the board. 3rd round pick, most likely.
Personally, I wouldn’t touch Pryor until the 5th round. But that’s because I don’t think athletic measurables have much, if anything at all, to do with whether a kid can be an NFL quarterback or not.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
If Skov is recovered from his injury, he could be a very good player in the NFL.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Who signed Travis Ivey, Reggie or Hue?
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excellent question, CW!
Ivey (and others) were signed on 01/03
http://www.raiders.com/team/transactions.html
Reggie McKenzie was officially hired as GM on 01/05 and made a few moves of his own on 01/06. Since Mark Davis was the one who fired Hue Jackson, I’m not sure he’d allow Hue Jackson the authority to bring in players after the season ended when he knew Hue wasn’t going to be in his plans next season. Maybe it was John Hererra or Raiders scouting dept (who Reggie seems to be on the same page with) ???
February 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I think DMC is GREAT when carrying the ball 15-20 times per game, and catching it anoither 5-10. As a matter of fact, I am know in my football-infused heart, that DMC doesn’t catch the ball nearly enough (no fault of his own).
When DMC’s in the flat catching the ball, I think he’s got about a 50% chance of breaking the play for at least 8+ yards. It’s usually a big let-down if he doesn’t get at least 5. We all know what he can do against one or two potential tacklers when he’s got a head of steam…and I bet Greg Knapp knows it too.
A (healthy!) DMC — nor whomever takes DMC’s role — gets 60+ receptions this year.
February 27th, 2012 at 10:55 am
The guy has missed more games than he’s started so what makes him think that will change.————————
Quit exagerating. If you do not have confidenece in him or don’t think he will last fine, it’s your opinion, but get real at least
February 27th, 2012 at 10:57 am
Here it is DMac
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ozKCZ3tYlos
February 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am
YA,
I don’t think the 4th QB on the board is going to last until rd 3.
I’ll keep an eye on that.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I think DMC is GREAT when carrying the ball 15-20 times per game, and catching it anoither 5-10. As a matter of fact, I am know in my football-infused heart, that DMC doesn’t catch the ball nearly enough (no fault of his own).
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Well no doubt… the guy is amazing. But the main focus should be on getting him through an entire season healthy.
The regular season is pretty meaningless as long as the playoffs are achieved. Look at the Giants, and the year before the Packers. Just get into the playoffs.
With a good defense, we might be able to baby McF into being healthy for a SB run. Hell, we didn’t even bring Bo in until midseason and that formula might have worked if he hadn’t the freak hip accident.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:01 am
I’m all for keeping Pryor, by the way.
Just still trying to figure out what we have in this kid.
I see Palmer playing QB for us for a long time though. Will he ever see the field as a Raider?
Why develop him and watch him go somewhere else when his rookie contract is up?
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@Jhill
Pryor still has 3 years left on his contract. If the coaching staff still can’t figure out if he’s worth keeping by then, I’d say the entire coaching staff should be canned!
Carson Palmer isn’t scheduled to be a free agent until 2015. However, he’ll be 35 years old by that point. He’s already retired once. He doesn’t need the money. For all we know this guy could win us a Super Bowl in 2012 or 2013 and then ride off into the sunset a winner like Jerome Bettis.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:02 am
I don’t think the 4th QB on the board is going to last until rd 3.
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it’s not even March yet!
LOL
February 27th, 2012 at 11:04 am
Burfict is a high-risk, high-reward type of Player. He’s got a me-first kind of attitude that can (and does) result in trouble, and because of his nasty on-field demeanor he has a bad boy image. His reputation might be better than he is, and I wouldn’t risk a #1 on him…there are other less-risky, dedicated Players to choose from.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:04 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:00 am
YA,
I don’t think the 4th QB on the board is going to last until rd 3.
I’ll keep an eye on that.
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Weak QB class this year. But then, it was the same thing last year and 6 QBs went in the first round. Fewer QB-needy teams this year, though.
Luck and RGIII are 1a an 1b.
Some say Weeden is a fringe 1st rounder, I think he’ll be a mid-2nd rounder.
Cousins will be the 2nd round. Foles could late 2nd round.
I’d say Pryor would go around the same place as Foles. Late 2nd at best.
Again, I think that is reaching for Pryor. Foles too.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Darren McFadden missed 10 games due to injury in his first 3 seasons, but he missed another 10 games last season.
20 games in 4 years = 5 per season.
He’s played in 44 games in 4 years.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:07 am
Are there any Asian semi pro’s on right now?
Why was the Linsanity ice cream thing offensive?
Are fortune cookies really offensive?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:08 am
R Seymour’s replacement.
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hwnrdr Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 10:51 am
Who do you guys think will be there at pick #97?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:09 am
I mean come on!!!!
Fortune cookies in the ice cream is offensive????
Really??????
Is anyone offended by the Oreo in cookies and cream?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am
But then, it was the same thing last year and 6 QBs went in the first round.
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Now can we get back to my original question?
I wonder what Cleveland would give up for Pryor? He would be much cheaper than RGIII.
Maybe we could get their 2nd rd pick!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
YA,
How would you compare Pryor to Tebow?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Maybe. I think if Cleveland is going to give up on Colt McCoy, they’ll want a much more solid prospect than Pryor.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
There aren’t many QB’s I think teams should risk #1 picks on…Andrew Luck and RGIII would be two that I think are well worth it.
Picture JaMarcus in front of the Media like RGIII was this past weekend. What a difference…and most impressive was the way RGIII controlled his press briefing, and not the other way around. He was in total control, one cool customer. And he’s still a “kid.”
If TP were in this April’s draft…would he be in the top 3-5 QB’s on board? Would he be a 2nd round pick? If so, he’s already a relative draft “bargain” to this point. Not a bad risk to take, considering all draft picks are risky already.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:13 am
Burfict is a high-risk, high-reward type of Player.
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4.9 in the 40 = high risk all right.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@124, Actually, Ivey was signed to the practice squad on 12-19, Miller and Ihenacho on 12-7.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:15 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:12 am
YA,
How would you compare Pryor to Tebow?
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Better passer technically speaking, not as solid in the decision-making department.
I wouldn’t rely on either of them as a franchise guy.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:16 am
I think Burfict will be gone by the 2nd-3rd round.
What did Spikes run and when did the Patsies draft him?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Yea Burfict really helped his 40 time just ran 5.10
Dontari Poe faster than Vontaze Burfict……SMH
February 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Dontari Poe ran a faster 40 than Burfict. I’ll pass.
Especially considering he has questionable instincts and can’t shed blocks. Don’t the Raiders already have enough linebackers like that?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:17 am
Burfict????….so we want to draft a guy who is a problem off and on the field?
I thought we already had that with Slowlando McLazy?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:11 am
But then, it was the same thing last year and 6 QBs went in the first round.
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Now can we get back to my original question?
I wonder what Cleveland would give up for Pryor? He would be much cheaper than RGIII.
Maybe we could get their 2nd rd pick!
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I heard Washington is willing to give up their 1st, 2nd & a future pick, maybe even another 1st to aquire the Rams pick.
Pryor could probably net what we gave up for him. Having not played in a year hurts him.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Burfict = a slower Romac??????????
February 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Decision making?
So you think Tebow makes a lot of good decisions on the field, but just can’t execute?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RRS — You know those numbers don’t tell the whole story…
DMC might be missing an average of 5 games per year…but he also is limited in many others. When DMC is limited, he’s hurting the Team. When he starts, plays a few plays, then sits, it KILLS the Team.
Gameplans are made based on available talent. Entire weeks are spent prepping and practicing individual gameplans. The Raiders need to rely on their main RB to be there, play after play, more than 75% of the time when called upon. Continuity is paramount, and a reliable RB is key when building an Offense around his talents.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Decision making?
So you think Tebow makes a lot of good decisions on the field, but just can’t execute?
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Yeah, to Tebow’s credit, I think he knows his limitations so he picks and chooses when to take shots. He knows when to use his legs. He can read defenses well. I just don’t think he’s a very accurate thrower, and I think that under pressure he’ll always revert to his own style of play. And I don’t believe his style of play is sustainable.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RRS — You know those numbers don’t tell the whole story…
DMC might be missing an average of 5 games per year…but he also is limited in many others. When DMC is limited, he’s hurting the Team. When he starts, plays a few plays, then sits, it KILLS the Team.
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When has that happened in the past couple of years other than the KC game last year?
sheesh
lies lies and more lies.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
Twocents Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:14 am
@124, Actually, Ivey was signed to the practice squad on 12-19,
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Really? I was hoping he was a Reggie signing. He has the size we need.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
?? slower Romac ?? whats this guy run backwards ??
February 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Think back to what Gruden did with Nap Kaufman… he brought in the unknown ground and pounder, Wheatley, and limited Kaufmans carries… they led the league in rushing.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:22 am
Ok Jerry you sold me on Turbin.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:25 am
Gameplans are made based on available talent. Entire weeks are spent prepping and practicing individual gameplans. The Raiders need to rely on their main RB to be there, play after play, more than 75% of the time when called upon. Continuity is paramount, and a reliable RB is key when building an Offense around his talents.
>>>>.
You play too much Madden.
The last time the Raiders led the NFL in rushing is when their best RB was limited… Kaufman. Gruden lulled teams to sleep with Wheatley then unleashed Kaufman in the 2nd half.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:29 am
154.Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
HayesDaze37 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:20 am
RRS — You know those numbers don’t tell the whole story…
DMC might be missing an average of 5 games per year…but he also is limited in many others. When DMC is limited, he’s hurting the Team. When he starts, plays a few plays, then sits, it KILLS the Team.
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When has that happened in the past couple of years other than the KC game last year?
sheesh
lies lies and more lies.
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?? DMC hasn’t started, and not finished, games??
You know he’s done that a number of times…not just this past year, but back in the Lance and Cable days. This blog used to talk about how DMC would break a toenail crossing a hash-mark, and that’d be it.
Dakota — We all know I’m OK trading DMC for picks, or keeping him because he CAN BE great…but don’t make it out like I hate the guy. I like him a lot…especially when he’s playing.
And…don’t start telling us all that DMC’s more durable on the field than he is. We all have eyes.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:31 am
hopefully Reggie Mc has the scouting division out turning over rocks, rummaging through bushes and combing the hinterlands for the next Chris Ivory, Pierre Thomas, Jonathan Starks, Ryan Grant or even Arian Foster. No need to spend big money on an RB, just find one who can and is willing to play.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:32 am
156.R8ER MIKE Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:21 am
?? slower Romac ?? whats this guy run backwards ??
You know the guy is slow when he runs slower than a turtle in reverse…LOL
February 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Carl, I was thinking the same way about Ivey. I have more faith in McKenzie picks, but we won’t know until we see him play.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:33 am
Go back and look at the games that year, Kaufman started off running the ball 7 or 8 times a game in Raider WINS.
Wheatley would get 20 carries for 40 or 50 yards, and Kaufman would get 8 for 70.
Here’s a game as example…
http://www.pro-football-reference.com/boxscores/200009100clt.htm
February 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Hwnrdr,
I think it will be DL, CB, or LB, but it’s hard to try guess which player since the only picks we know we have as a fact are 5th & 6th.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:39 am
165.Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:38 am
Hwnrdr,
I think it will be DL, CB, or LB, but it’s hard to try guess which player since the only picks we know we have as a fact are 5th & 6th.
That is true!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
DMAC?
Is the greatest waste of his talent that he has been underutilized in the passing game?
Jerry always said he has the best hands on the team? (Although in the past, that wasn’t saying much)
Could DMAC be used like Brian Westbrook was on the Eagles?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:40 am
How much is Branch going to want to come back to the Raiders?
Do you guys think McKenzie will go higher than 4 million?
Think Branch would accept that?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am
BS, during the Cable time McFadden wasn’t on the sideline during games due to injuries like you are implying Hayes. He was on the sideline because Cable had Fargas out there playing.
You are claiming that he gets dinged in game and then sits out the rest of the game. Total BS.
Come on man, you don’t have to make things up. He does get injured, can’t you just point to his missed games to make the point instead of making things up?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:41 am
I think it will be DL, CB, or LB, but it’s hard to try guess which player since the only picks we know we have as a fact are 5th & 6th.
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Think we will find some gems in the undrafted category, since most of the scouts/personnell will be focused on these guys instead of finding guys in rounds 1-3?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:42 am
DMAC Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:18 am
Burfict = a slower Romac??????????
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Not even close.
Romac > Burfict
February 27th, 2012 at 11:43 am
Is the greatest waste of his talent that he has been underutilized in the passing game?
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WITHOUT QUESTION!!!!
DMac should be lined up in the backfield and motioned to the slot AT LEAST 5 times per game.
Should have been on the field WITH Bush a lot more.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
BS, during the Cable time McFadden wasn’t on the sideline during games due to injuries like you are implying Hayes. He was on the sideline because Cable had Fargas out there playing.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Are you sure? I thought he was injured too, but I do agree about the Fat monkey wanting to start Fargas over Bush & DMAC.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
JHill,
McF should’ve been on the field more PERIOD.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:47 am
M Lonetree Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:44 am
JHill,
McF should’ve been on the field more PERIOD.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
LOL
February 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Where were all you fking crybabies when McFadden started 20 of 23 games and was dominating?
Just shut the fuk up about him and get back to cheering him on when he returns next season, and pretending you always supported him.
Fking idiots can’t recognize the best offensive player we have had since Bo Jackson.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Gdog — I play zero Madden anymore, rarely before that. Too many other “productive” things to do for blocks of time…like this blog. You, on the other hand, need to start looking at Players as a part of a coach’s game puzzle, and a commodity to maximize, and not a family member.
I don’t care who takes the Raiders’ running game into the top-7 or so in the League. I know a great running game typically means that Team is competitive. CPalmer with one will be fun to watch.
I’d LOVE to keep DMC (love to keep him, Dakota!) if he ran the ball 15-20 times per game, and caught it another 5 times per. Let somebody else take the other 15-20 total touches per game.
There is no nearly-great player in all my days of playing/coaching/watching football, that I’ve heard so many questions about his durability as DMC. I admit I hope, sometimes out-loud, he doesn’t get “nicked” every time he touches the football.
Injuries are a big risk for every Player, but it’s right up front for me every time DMC takes a handoff. And I bet I’m not the only one who thinks about it every time he touches the ball. “Please don’t get hurt, DMac!” is right up there with “Hang on to the ball!”
February 27th, 2012 at 11:50 am
DMac took a helmet to the knee in the Houston game Cable’s first full year, and wasn’t the same the rest of the year. Surprised that hit didn’t effin snap his leg. Had that not happened, DMac would have certainly continued to be the lead back over Fargas.
I think the history is there though like Hayes pointed out. DMac only carried half the load in college. Don’t really care how good the backup is, all world talents like DMac get ALL the work in college.
I do think we need to move half of DMac’s carries to “touches” and make them receptions.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Sometimes I feel like Darth Helmet in here….”I am surrounded by azzholes. Keep commenting azzholes!”
February 27th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Too many other “productive” things to do for blocks of time…like this blog.
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LOL!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Where were all you fking crybabies when McFadden started 20 of 23 games and was dominating?
Just shut the fuk up about him and get back to cheering him on when he returns next season, and pretending you always supported him.
Fking idiots can’t recognize the best offensive player we have had since Bo Jackson.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Another sugar Rush?
Put the snickers down, and step away from the candy.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Shut up azzholes!
lol
February 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
It’s not personal, Dakota — I didn’t want to draft DMC in the first place, and I think he’s valuable as trade-bait now. But…he’s a Raider, he’s MY #1 RB unless he’s traded away, and as such I take him for what he is — a phenomenal talent when healthy, a real MVP candidate.
I like DMC’s personality, his charisma, his talent, and his price tag. I like his value to the Team, playing or traded. I do not like his durability issues. I hate them, in fact…but I don’t hate DMC.
February 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Dakota,
your boy made a business decision. likely he has an investment in a company that produces walking boots and he let that be known to his teammates – how else do you explain half a season spent in one as well as numerous important players on both sides of the ball donning them at every opportunity?
February 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
179.Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:51 am
Sometimes I feel like Darth Helmet in here….”I am surrounded by azzholes. Keep commenting azzholes!”
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Ludicrous speed? You can’t go to ludicrous speed!
February 27th, 2012 at 11:58 am
— I play zero Madden anymore, rarely before that
$$$$$$$$$$$$$$$
I know. I love the game (only video game I used to play), but I rather do other things at this age.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NOW!~ 02-26-12: WINDS OF CHANGE
Roster changes coming, new Staff, new schemes and a 180 on the Davis legacy. Find out why and where we’re going at…
http://www.raidernationstation.com/exclusives
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SO should we keep Bush?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:01 pm
I miss the days when I played Madden for 5+ hours a night after work. Come home, smoke, eat, smoke again, and play madden for 5 hours.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Co-signed.
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Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:48 am
Where were all you fking crybabies when McFadden started 20 of 23 games and was dominating?
Just shut the fuk up about him and get back to cheering him on when he returns next season, and pretending you always supported him.
Fking idiots can’t recognize the best offensive player we have had since Bo Jackson.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
184.M Lonetree Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:57 am
Dakota,
your boy made a business decision. likely he has an investment in a company that produces walking boots and he let that be known to his teammates – how else do you explain half a season spent in one as well as numerous important players on both sides of the ball donning them at every opportunity?
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Al Davis probably got the team knockoff Nike or Reeboks to save a buck or two.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
183. DMCs and amazing talent but I was against us taking him because the potential for…leg injuries.
Some “pro” sports writers have lamented DMCs “upright running style” as cause for his injury history but they’re not thinking.
Hammys turf toe and Lisfrancs have little to do with him “running upright”
February 27th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
Bush will be gone, and McFadden will very likely sprain something first few weeks, then we’re hosed.
McFadden is just too brittle.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Shut up azzholes!
lol
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Little testy today. That’s what alcohol, waking up stupid, and staring at a pawn shop door, hoping someone will walk in who’s in need of a cheap knockoff.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Wow Burfict is gonna fall even worst…. Heres some off of PFT
Once Burfict got to Indianapolis, things didn’t get any better. His interviews with teams and the media were described as disastrous.
“I’m not sure any player here sparked a worse reaction than Vontaze Burfict,” writes Bruce Feldman of CBS Sports. “I wouldn’t touch him.”
“The guy is completely out of control. There’s no way you could trust him. I can’t believe they [ASU coaching staff] didn’t cut him loose,” one scout told Feldman.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Injuries are a big risk for every Player, but it’s right up front for me every time DMC takes a handoff. And I bet I’m not the only one who thinks about it every time he touches the ball. “Please don’t get hurt, DMac!” is right up there with “Hang on to the ball!”
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I do to…
Thats why you limit his carries like Gruden did with Kaufman.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dakota,
The NFL is switching their equipment from Reebok to Nike next year (contract expired). I heard that DMAC prefers Nike, but was not allowed to ware them due to the NFL’s contract with Reebok.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Gdog — You’re telling us what most of us already know: a good 1-2 punch is what the Raiders had with Nip Kaufman playing that complimentary role.
NFL teams rely on that good/great 1-2 punch nowadays. The Raiders have one with DMC & Bush…they will not have one (a proven one, anyway) with either DMC & Taiwan, or MBush & Taiwan.
We NEED a good 1-2…1-2-2a even, we never have enough healthy RB’s.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
FA’s can’t be looking at the Raiders as a go to team.
Owner who looks like Howdy Doody. GM who looks like a cross between a jowly bulldog and a buffalo, and a new HC who’s had all of one season as a OC.
Just isn’t that inviting a package. Have to keep our fingers crossed.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
>>>>
Bush will be gone, and McFadden will very likely sprain something first few weeks, then we’re hosed.
McFadden is just too brittle.
>>>>
Not if he gets just 7-8 carries a game. Any RB can handle that.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
196.Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dakota,
The NFL is switching their equipment from Reebok to Nike next year (contract expired). I heard that DMAC prefers Nike, but was not allowed to ware them due to the NFL’s contract with Reebok.
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There. Problem solved. mcFadden will never be injured again!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dakota,
The NFL is switching their equipment from Reebok to Nike next year (contract expired). I heard that DMAC prefers Nike, but was not allowed to ware them due to the NFL’s contract with Reebok.
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Good one.
Changing your shoe brand isn’t going to make a player less brittle.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
O — That is never the case. Players wear the shoes they want…if there is an endorsement/contract issue, they must tape-over or otherwise cover the unauthorized logo on their equipment.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Dakota,
it just means that McF’s next walking boot will have a swoosh on it.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Gdog — You’re telling us what most of us already know: a good 1-2 punch is what the Raiders had with Nip Kaufman playing that complimentary role.
>>>>
I want it to be 1-2-3. The number one guy is either a late round draftee, or a FA. Just a “body” to absorb punishment like Wheatley did.
The 2-3 will be McF and TJones rotation, as they have similar skill sets.
Bush is toast. Too expensive.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
I wouldn’t be surprised to be Turbin available at the end of Round 3 or middle of Round 4.
Chubby McK should be able to find another solid RB to replace Bush in Rounds 3, 4 or 5….without any problem IMO.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
You ever wonder what Mark Davis does all day?
Drives into the complex, and parks in Al’s spot.
Walks in, and gets a cup of coffee, and waits for the people that used to snicker at him say good morning to him.
And then goes in Al’s office and closes the door.
Dollars to donuts he has an Xbox and a PS3 in there.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
I have to agree with DMAC. I prefer Nike too. I injured my ankles a few times while wearing Reebok. Not much ankle and foot support IMO.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Only way Bush stays is if they can work out a 3 year deal with him that is cap friendly and doesn’t overpay him.
I’m hoping that happens, but I doubt it.
There is no way McK will give Bush 7.2 million for one year.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
it just means that McF’s next walking boot will have a swoosh on it.
$$$$$$$$$$
LMAO
That is funny.
Still LMAO
February 27th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
Man, this is going to be a boring offseason.
So used to having a high pick available was fun wondering who we should take, or will be avail.
Now it’s who’s going to still be around in 98th place.
Whoopie.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RWX Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
You ever wonder what Mark Davis does all day?
Drives into the complex, and parks in Al’s spot.
Walks in, and gets a cup of coffee, and waits for the people that used to snicker at him say good morning to him.
And then goes in Al’s office and closes the door.
Dollars to donuts he has an Xbox and a PS3 in there.
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Even if your fanciful scenario were true: You would prefer he make football decisions even though, by his own admission, he doesn’t have that kind of football knowledge?
No thanks. We don’t need a Dan Snyder as our owner.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
Big Mack will likely offer something like a 4yr deal to Bush around the range of $5M a year for the first two years and load up the back end to $7-8M for the last two years, and re-evaluate him when he’s due for that pay raise in two years. It’ll be up to Bush though ’cause there are definitely a few teams who will offer him a 3 year deal between $21-24M or something like that.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
HD37,
That’s what I heard, but I don’t know if that’s true. Also, I don’t know anything about the NFL equipment rules (other than players have to wear their team issued uniforms and certain color shoes).
February 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
I don’t want to hear how bad this board sucks. It’s my friends board, and is dying a slow death. At some point soon will have to put up a RIP attachment.
And I admit it. I’m here just to try and scrounge some people for over there.
So what?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
I thought DMAC wore adidas in college?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:20 pm
HD37,
That’s what I heard, but I don’t know if that’s true. Also, I don’t know anything about the NFL equipment rules (other than players have to wear their team issued uniforms and certain color shoes).
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A certain number of players (I think 5) per team are allowed to just wear whatever shoes they want.
Other players can wear any brand of shoe they want, BUT if it’s not the brand the league has a deal with, they have to hide that fact. This is why some players have tape wrapped around their shoes and ankles (in addition to providing support, of course).
February 27th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
RaiderDuck Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
RWX Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
You ever wonder what Mark Davis does all day?
Drives into the complex, and parks in Al’s spot.
Walks in, and gets a cup of coffee, and waits for the people that used to snicker at him say good morning to him.
And then goes in Al’s office and closes the door.
Dollars to donuts he has an Xbox and a PS3 in there.
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Even if your fanciful scenario were true: You would prefer he make football decisions even though, by his own admission, he doesn’t have that kind of football knowledge?
No thanks. We don’t need a Dan Snyder as our owner.
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Not at all. I think he should stick to playing Wii with Robby the Rhino.
Just surprises me seeing posters like RRS say how the combo of Mark, Mac, and Dennis excite him so much when all of the three are rookies, and haven’t done anything yet.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
MBush will likely get a 4-year, $16-20 million deal, with $10-13 million guaranteed in the first 2-years.
Wish we could keep him…but not very likely at those prices.
Lunch!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=darren+mcfadden+in+adidas&hl=en&safe=active&biw=1024&bih=633&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=mY-_D_n-Ql2cIM:&imgrefurl=http://www.uni-watch.com/2008/10/30/going-above-and-beyond-the-call-of-uni-watch-duty/&docid=Zr1xLHaIwqCiuM&imgurl=http://intheblackhole.files.wordpress.com/2008/04/darren-mcfadden4.jpg&w=550&h=542&ei=TOZLT_aSFLH9iQKG4pDcDQ&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=104&vpy=139&dur=4688&hovh=223&hovw=226&tx=159&ty=182&sig=101022573126641346860&page=1&tbnh=142&tbnw=153&start=0&ndsp=15&ved=1t:429,r:0,s:0
February 27th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
http://www.google.com/imgres?q=darren+mcfadden+in+adidas&hl=en&safe=active&biw=1024&bih=633&gbv=2&tbm=isch&tbnid=0mz5qrYxafL1BM:&imgrefurl=http://www.theheismanwinners.com/DarrenMcFadden.html&docid=SXX_lS_cn2UHWM&imgurl=http://www.theheismanwinners.com/images/mcfad.jpg&w=580&h=680&ei=TOZLT_aSFLH9iQKG4pDcDQ&zoom=1&iact=rc&dur=501&sig=101022573126641346860&page=3&tbnh=145&tbnw=123&start=35&ndsp=22&ved=1t:429,r:5,s:35&tx=44&ty=98
February 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Bring back the Adidas!!!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Trade McFadden! Trade McFadden!
We need picks! Whaaaaaaaaaah we need picks!
We need picks so I have something to watch during the draft!!
Who cares if the picks are nothing more than gambles?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!
Fking idiots. Thank god Reggie is smarter than all of you.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
hopefully Reggie Mc has the scouting division out turning over rocks, rummaging through bushes and combing the hinterlands for the next Chris Ivory, Pierre Thomas, Jonathan Starks, Ryan Grant or even Arian Foster. No need to spend big money on an RB, just find one who can and is willing to play.
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LOL @ M. Agreed
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Trade McFadden goes right up there with “Cable is Madden-like”, “Routt is better than Nnamdi” and “Fargas is a great RB” as some of the stupidest things ever mentioned on the board.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Peace out ya’ll. (I’m ghost)
Go A’s!
Go Dubs!
Go Cal Bears!
Go Raiders!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
196.Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:10 pm
Dakota,
The NFL is switching their equipment from Reebok to Nike next year (contract expired). I heard that DMAC prefers Nike, but was not allowed to ware them due to the NFL’s contract with Reebok.
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Reggie Bush is allowed to wear Adidas cleats. The uniform policy does allow for players to wear different shows, but they have to apply to the NFL for permission. Although DMac was denied permission by the league to use a black shield in his facemask after the orbital injury, and I see players wear that all the time, and they are banned by the league now. (Players who wore them before they were banned were grandfathered in to be able to continue)
February 27th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
trade ROMAC for a walking boot with a swoosh on it !!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
A certain number of players (I think 5) per team are allowed to just wear whatever shoes they want.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Any color too?
I remember P Manning being fined for wearing Black to owner Johnny U.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Who cares if the picks are nothing more than gambles?
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Relying on McFadden to produce on the field is a gamble. And it’s not even a safe bet, considering the nature of the injuries he’s had thus far in his career.
The chances of a second round pick being a solid contributor are higher than the chances of McFadden playing for an entire season.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
BBL
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
TTFN
February 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Rockstar,
That’s the spirit!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
A certain number of players (I think 5) per team are allowed to just wear whatever shoes they want.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Any color too?
I remember P Manning being fined for wearing Black to owner Johnny U.
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There are restrictions on color, as well. Methinks the league goes overboard.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:32 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Trade McFadden goes right up there with “Cable is Madden-like”, “Routt is better than Nnamdi” and “Fargas is a great RB” as some of the stupidest things ever mentioned on the board.
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Oakglenn/Seymour Bush: “Russell is a bonified NFL qb” deserves a mention.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
229.YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Who cares if the picks are nothing more than gambles?
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Relying on McFadden to produce on the field is a gamble. And it’s not even a safe bet, considering the nature of the injuries he’s had thus far in his career.
The chances of a second round pick being a solid contributor are higher than the chances of McFadden playing for an entire season.
+++++++++++++
You don’t give up on young superstars for “solid contributors” this early on.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
228.Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
A certain number of players (I think 5) per team are allowed to just wear whatever shoes they want.
$$$$$$$$$$$$$
Any color too?
I remember P Manning being fined for wearing Black to owner Johnny U.
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They have specific colors they are allowed to wear. The penalty for deviation is severe. Earl Bennett was fined $5000 for his orange shoes, and the NFL told him if he wore them again the fine would be doubled, and if he wore them a third game he wouldn’t be allowed to play in the game.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
If we trade DMAC, he gets 2,000 or more all-purpose yards and the player we draft with his pick has the rookie blues, we’ll be kicking ourselves.
If we keep DMAC and he’s gimpy for half the year and finishes with 600 yards, we’ll be kicking ourselves as well.
It’s a gamble either war.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
You don’t give up on young superstars for “solid contributors” this early on.
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They are the same people that would say Fire Reggie on here when we trade McFadden and he has a 2000 yard season
February 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bcz,
So, did DMAC ask the league for permission, and was he denied?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
224.Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
Trade McFadden goes right up there with “Cable is Madden-like”, “Routt is better than Nnamdi” and “Fargas is a great RB” as some of the stupidest things ever mentioned on the board.
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Hahaha….Cable is Madden-like…classic….
Trade McFadden as crazy as it sounds isn’t as dumb as those though. Trading McFadden after visibly witnessing the fact the guy is getting injuries that appear to be the result of his foundation not being able to hold up to the powerful motor within his legs. Even you the biggest McFadden kisser of all kissers has to admit that the idea cannot be simply ignored. Even in saying all of that; I hope dude is a Raider until he retires. We’re actually blessed in an ironic way that he got hurt again ’cause if he would’ve kept up the pace he started this year, he might’ve been crying for a pay raise a la the running back formerly known as CJ2K
February 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
We ain’t gettin’ Turbin, he’ll go in the second. I’d love to have him though!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
They have specific colors they are allowed to wear.
$$$$$$
That’s what I thought. Thx.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
Bush is gone. But its the easiest pos to replace..
February 27th, 2012 at 12:38 pm
If we keep DMAC and he’s gimpy for half the year and finishes with 600 yards, we’ll be kicking ourselves as well.
It’s a gamble either war.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++
If we keep McFadden we win big. If we trade him after some injury issues and watch him get healthy and play big for someone else (ala C. Woodson) then we lose big.
This is a no-brainer, and it appears Reggie and D. Allen agree with me.
So the rest of you McFadden haters can go bite a big one. You bandwagon cheerleaders!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
Whoever thinks we should trade Mcfaddin you’re a bunch of idiots!!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
Dakota Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Trade McFadden! Trade McFadden!
We need picks! Whaaaaaaaaaah we need picks!
We need picks so I have something to watch during the draft!!
Who cares if the picks are nothing more than gambles?
Whaaaaaaaaaaaah!!!!
Fking idiots. Thank god Reggie is smarter than all of you.
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Best post of the day!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:40 pm
There are restrictions on color, as well. Methinks the league goes overboard.
$$$$$$$$$$
I agree. As Chad 85 would say, it’s the No Fun League!
February 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
I may have to start a new list…..
February 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
They are the same people that would say Fire Reggie on here when we trade McFadden and he has a 2000 yard season
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No, I wouldn’t, even if that did somehow happen. The Raiders have many needs, and a part-time superstar running back isn’t one of them.
And “young superstars” are on the field, contributing in games that matter.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
239.Raider O Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:37 pm
Bcz,
So, did DMAC ask the league for permission, and was he denied?
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I don’t know if he ever asked for permission to wear different shoes. I have to think they would allow it, maybe Al told him no for some reason? Maybe the shoes don’t matter to him as much as we think? No idea
I do know he asked permission to wear a black tinted visor on his mask after the orbital fracture last season and his request was denied… or maybe it was approved and he just decided not to wear it. I know he requested permission, but I never saw him wear one.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Knapp said. “I’m excited to get back with him. He really fits our run scheme well, as far as the zone scheme which I’ll be implementing with our coaches. That’s a great starting point for me.”
This worries me. McFadden looked lost when trying to run in that scheme. He was uncomfortable and hesitant resulting in a blade of grass being able to tackle him if it hit his shoe string.
Both Bush and Fargas looked like better runners than him.
Then they’re talking about Palmer’s athleticism and how he’ll be a perfect fit in the West Coast Offense and I go..”oooh, noooooo! We had something good going on Offense! Don’t change EVERYTHING!”
February 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
246. Nice
February 27th, 2012 at 12:43 pm
229.YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Who cares if the picks are nothing more than gambles?
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Relying on McFadden to produce on the field is a gamble. And it’s not even a safe bet, considering the nature of the injuries he’s had thus far in his career.
The chances of a second round pick being a solid contributor are higher than the chances of McFadden playing for an entire season.
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You don’t give up on young superstars for “solid contributors” this early on.
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Agree, but the only way is “if” he did not want to be here anymore. No evidence to this, but this is one reason would give up on a “young superstars for ’solid contributors’ this early on.”
February 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
251.raiderzmaverick Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Knapp said. “I’m excited to get back with him. He really fits our run scheme well, as far as the zone scheme which I’ll be implementing with our coaches. That’s a great starting point for me.”
This worries me. McFadden looked lost when trying to run in that scheme. He was uncomfortable and hesitant resulting in a blade of grass being able to tackle him if it hit his shoe string.
Both Bush and Fargas looked like better runners than him.
Then they’re talking about Palmer’s athleticism and how he’ll be a perfect fit in the West Coast Offense and I go..”oooh, noooooo! We had something good going on Offense! Don’t change EVERYTHING!”
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Wait and see if it works. McFadden was only given about 7 carries a game when we had that system. No RB can get going with only 7 sporadic carries per game.
Plus we had Tom Cable calling plays…..
February 27th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
251.raiderzmaverick Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:42 pm
Knapp said. “I’m excited to get back with him. He really fits our run scheme well, as far as the zone scheme which I’ll be implementing with our coaches. That’s a great starting point for me.”
This worries me. McFadden looked lost when trying to run in that scheme. He was uncomfortable and hesitant resulting in a blade of grass being able to tackle him if it hit his shoe string.
Both Bush and Fargas looked like better runners than him.
Then they’re talking about Palmer’s athleticism and how he’ll be a perfect fit in the West Coast Offense and I go..”oooh, noooooo! We had something good going on Offense! Don’t change EVERYTHING!”
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Wait and see if it works. McFadden was only given about 7 carries a game when we had that system. No RB can get going with only 7 sporadic carries per game.
Plus we had Tom Cable calling plays…..
February 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
If we keep McFadden we win big.
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“We” do? McFadden sure helped the Raiders down the stretch last season, didn’t he?
McFadden sure helped the Raiders overcome elite defenses like the Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Patriots, and Ravens, didn’t he?
February 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Afternoon Fellas,
Dakota… list?
Keep McFadden.
Not willing to kick him to the curb…yet.
This season will tell us all that we need to know moving forward.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
Lets say you get a 2nd rd pick for Dmac. Then what? I hope mm34 part 2 works out.. We dont get wiznewskies every day..
February 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Would be a good idea to get Turbin if bush walks. Or maybe tolbert if turbin is not available
February 27th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
No, I wouldn’t, even if that did somehow happen. The Raiders have many needs, and a part-time superstar running back isn’t one of them.
And “young superstars” are on the field, contributing in games that matter.
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The reason I disagree with you is, if we are willing to cut bait and trade McFadden that will be a sure red flag to other teams that his latest injury is far more severe than anyone thinks. That and his overall injury history will hurt his trade value, and I don’t think we can get fair trade for him. I’m sorry but ONE second round pick (if you can even get that much, which I doubt) is not worth it in my opinion. To me that is like pulling a concrete plug out of one hole in the dam and using a cotton ball to plug another hole.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
256.YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:45 pm
If we keep McFadden we win big.
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“We” do? McFadden sure helped the Raiders down the stretch last season, didn’t he?
McFadden sure helped the Raiders overcome elite defenses like the Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Patriots, and Ravens, didn’t he?
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I’ll bet you were pretty quiet about McFadden the 23 games prior to McFadden’s injury when he was dominating weren’t you?
Whaaaaah.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
McFragile won’t start 6 games next season unless they use complimentary backs to relieve him more often. I forsee a backfield by committee approach by the offense next season. Even then, it’s a crapshoot whether he will stay healthy.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
The reason I disagree with you is, if we are willing to cut bait and trade McFadden that will be a sure red flag to other teams that his latest injury is far more severe than anyone thinks. That and his overall injury history will hurt his trade value, and I don’t think we can get fair trade for him. I’m sorry but ONE second round pick (if you can even get that much, which I doubt) is not worth it in my opinion. To me that is like pulling a concrete plug out of one hole in the dam and using a cotton ball to plug another hole.
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I get the sentiment. I just don’t think a part-time RB is going to be that hard to replace. If McFadden had anything in common with concrete, the Raiders wouldn’t be in this situation.
Hopefully the Raiders can manage to restructure his contract because $5 million is too much, and his cap hit is HUGE.
Again, I think the only way the Raiders should trade McFadden is if they can get multiple picks for him, one of them being a high-rounder. I can guarantee that one team would be enamored with his potential enough to consider that deal.
Personally? I would never draft a RB in the first round, unless literally every other position on the roster was rock solid. And I sure as hell wouldn’t pay a RB $5 million per season, especially if the team is already $11 million over the cap.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
McFadden sure helped the Raiders overcome elite defenses like the Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Patriots, and Ravens, didn’t he?
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Nope, neither did anyone else on the roster… cut or trade all of them because we didn’t beat the Ravens?
McFadden played those teams when our offense was 1 dimensional, now that we have a bonified passing threat with Palmer and the recievers playing MUCH better it won’t be so easy to shut him down.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I’ll bet you were pretty quiet about McFadden the 23 games prior to McFadden’s injury when he was dominating weren’t you?
Whaaaaah.
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When was he dominating? Good defenses have always kept him in check. Even some not-so-good defenses have (see: 2010 Texans and Colts). That’s what happens to any running back, even the elite ones. Running backs don’t take over games anymore, especially not against good defenses or team that can put up points.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
Thx Bcz.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Hopefully the Raiders can manage to restructure his contract because $5 million is too much, and his cap hit is HUGE.
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His cap hit is only 6.7 mill. Hardly ‘huge’ but I hear ya, thing is, the only way that deal changes is if it gets extended
February 27th, 2012 at 12:57 pm
Lol. The reasons ppl give for trading Dmac is that we can win without him.. brilliant
February 27th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
McFadden sure helped the Raiders overcome elite defenses like the Steelers, Ravens, Colts, Texans, Patriots, and Ravens, didn’t he?
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Nope, neither did anyone else on the roster… cut or trade all of them because we didn’t beat the Ravens?
McFadden played those teams when our offense was 1 dimensional, now that we have a bonified passing threat with Palmer and the recievers playing MUCH better it won’t be so easy to shut him down.
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I’m just saying that McFadden isn’t the superhero that some here make him out to be.
Again – no running back is as valuable as people here seem to think McFadden is.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
When was he dominating? Good defenses have always kept him in check. Even some not-so-good defenses have (see: 2010 Texans and Colts). That’s what happens to any running back, even the elite ones. Running backs don’t take over games anymore, especially not against good defenses or team that can put up points.
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When I think of McFadden, I see a guy that can run inside, outside, and take it to the house on any play.
What is overlooked, by some, is his ability in the pass game, where he has been under utilized.
McFadden has mad skills in both areas.
The challenge is to balance those skill in meaningful ways that max put his production, and keep Him on the field.
February 27th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
268 cant win without him..
February 27th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Butchered the last post. Max out production.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
Again – no running back is as valuable as people here seem to think McFadden is.
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Very true.However,we couldn’t get proper value for him in a trade and his salary isn’t that out of line.We have many other greater concerns than Darren McFadden.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
I know people are used to al davis, but this is how it will work now.. We will keep the good players and ax the bad ones.. And the best producers will get paid.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
only one sure way we trade McFadden
if i buy his jersey, he is as good as gone !! lol lol lol
February 27th, 2012 at 1:04 pm
251. Fit the run scheme?. Yeah dmac has already said he does not like the run zone scheme. It was said when hue took over. Knapp is cluelesss. It shows the disconnect of forcing a system on players it does not fit. Just like i figured.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
I’d take 4 mid/late-round or UDFA running backs with varying skills sets who can share the load over one Darren McFadden ANY day of the week.
The reason that the Raiders’ running game faltered down the stretch last season was not lack of McFadden. It was the lack of any running back besides Michael Bush, who has NEVER been a 30+ snap player, and yet was on the field for almost every offensive snap by the end of the season. He’s an inside runner almost exclusively, too. Not an off-tackle or perimeter guy.
You don’t have to break bank to get guy who can open up your playbook at let you run some outside running plays, especially if he’s going to be in rotation. But the Raiders didn’t do that. They just waited for McFadden or Jones to be healthy. Terrible roster management.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:09 pm
Terrible roster management.
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True.
Regarding DMAC/ Bush and the 4 back rotation.
McFadden, because He can run inside, outside and catch the ball all over the field, allows for greater flexibility on ANY play in the book, and gives no “tell” info to the D based upon the “package” trotted in on a specific play.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Where are all the roster cuts you guys were predicting?
Huge changes coming, I was told.
Are the Raiders screwing with these guys until the last minute? Stan Routt got a jump on things and was able to secure a decent contract because he was cut early on. Why is he the only one who got some “love” in that regard?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
YA-you seem to blame the players for the terrible management by the previous HC.The problem was no backup plan in case he couldn’t go.The thing to do is formulate a better plan for when and if your lead RB goes down.As you say,you can fill that need with a low rd,undrafted,lowly paid backup.What is wrong with having both?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
J Hill Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Where are all the roster cuts you guys were predicting?
Huge changes coming, I was told.
Are the Raiders screwing with these guys until the last minute? Stan Routt got a jump on things and was able to secure a decent contract because he was cut early on. Why is he the only one who got some “love” in that regard?
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I think some of the “love” is on the horizon. lol
February 27th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Well it will be easy to get a 4th rd rb.. They get cut all the time.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:19 pm
if we had a team full of dmac talents we would win it all. if we had a pile of late picks we would stink..
February 27th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
Supporting evidence in the belief that Knapp installing his preferred offsense and trying to “fit the players to it” will be detremental:
From NBC Sports:
Darren McFadden never flourished under former coach Tom Cable’s zone-blocking scheme, only emerging once Hue Jackson molded the offense to his strengths. ESPN’s John Clayton suggests the Raiders will have to decide whether to re-sign free agent Michael Bush or trade McFadden this offseason. Knapp has been a decidedly run-heavy play-caller, though it’s odd that the Raiders are now installing an offense that won’t cater to the skills of its most dynamic players.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
ESPN:
The Raiders are planning to move back to a zone-blocking scheme. However, McFadden appeared to be more comfortable as a power runner. Allen said new Oakland offensive coordinator Greg Knapp — who was Oakland’s coordinator in McFadden’s first NFL season in 2008 — will put McFadden in position to be successful. (later Knapp said in his interview that he thinks McFadden will fit perfectly in his Zone Blocking Scheme he’s implementing)
February 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
You don’t trade your quality players.You get better players behind them so if something does happen to them you don’t throw in a Blackstone.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
The Huddle:
Allen said that McFadden is now healthy and will be ready for training camp. There have been doubts as to whether McFadden will be successful in the team’s zone-blocking scheme.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:24 pm
DMAC is a Pro.
Dude has worked to get better every year.
His “upright” running is a thing of the past…thanks …K Skipper.
He acknowledged last camp that he’d altered his diet.
Smart hardworking coach able Guy…with huge talent.
I don’t trade Him unless someone blows me away.
Injuries happen.
Of the games missed in 4 seasons, 47% happened last year.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
You guys are out of touch if you think that Knapp is going to come in here and force a system on a group of players that will to fit into his system.
Lets be real for a RB, a hole to run through is a hole, no matter how it was created, zone blocking or power blocking. The only difference is in zone blocking scheme you take one cut and head up field, no dancing.
Why is that so hard for a RB to figure out. Its not you are all blowing it out of proportion.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
If he is the RB everyone claims he is he should be successful behind any scheme.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
You don’t trade your quality players.You get better players behind them so if something does happen to them you don’t throw in a Blackstone.
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100% Lefty
February 27th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
Fantasy Sports:
Fantasy Spin: McFadden is an elite athlete, but his running skills are really not best-suited for a zone-blocking system, and also has a terrible track record with durability so far in his young career.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Still babbling about trading McFadden I see.
Let me spell it out for you all.
If we trade McFadden we are saying that its rebuilding time and we will not compete for a couple of years.
If we keep McFadden then it shows that our coaches and front office feel like we can contend for an AFC west title next year and in 2013.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:28 pm
Lefty12 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
If he is the RB everyone claims he is he should be successful behind any scheme.
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Knapp said what he liked about DMAC is that He is a one cut runner, and gets North / South fast.
I agree with that assessment.
Bush dances more than DMAC for crying out loud.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
You guys are out of touch if you think that Knapp is going to come in here and force a system on a group of players that will to fit into his system.
Lets be real for a RB, a hole to run through is a hole, no matter how it was created, zone blocking or power blocking. The only difference is in zone blocking scheme you take one cut and head up field, no dancing.
Why is that so hard for a RB to figure out. Its not you are all blowing it out of proportion.
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Because, the first two years McFadden averaged only 3.94 yards per carry. That was under the Zone Blocking Scheme that “Any running back can handle” being run by Knapp the 1st year and Cable the 2nd year.
The next 2 years under the Power scheme run by Hue Jackson and Al Saunders he averaged 5.3 yards per carry.
What other difference is there? Not health. He actually played in a little bit less games the last 2 years. Try to remember McFadden of 3 and 4 years ago.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
“Fantasy Sports:
Fantasy Spin: McFadden is an elite athlete, but his running skills are really not best-suited for a zone-blocking system, and also has a terrible track record with durability so far in his young career.”
Please explain in detail what that means. Why is he not as effective in a zone blocking scheme why is he effective in power blocking scheme, show real reasons as to why or why not. lets not just regurgitate what some derelict sports writer is telling you and run with it as there has to be a valid reason to support such theories.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
Bottom line…
McFadden jumps out on film…in a good way.
GM’s and coaches are reluctant to get rid of these types of players.
Injuries or not.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:31 pm
“Knapp said what he liked about DMAC is that He is a one cut runner, and gets North / South fast.
I agree with that assessment.
Bush dances more than DMAC for crying out loud.”
This is an exact example right here people!!!!!
February 27th, 2012 at 1:32 pm
Hi
I remember me? I never really left of course, Im on here enticing the unwary into giving me what I pathetically depsperately crave the most and never got from my Mom ATTENTION!
Its clear I have no life whatsoever thats why I jump around on here as RealMaddenRaider,Sullivan,Hardline and 1,000 other BS names becfause i;m sick really.
Its a cry for help. Really, spending so much time being an unrelenting a hole isn’t healthy at all but in a way, its its own reward and really, this miserable life is mostly what I deserve.
Just wish I realied its all a choice. I can focus on the negative and ugly and it is ugly, or I can focus on positives.
Until i learn this I’ll just keep on being one of the worst forms of life on the planet. No, not a Broncos fan, an internet troll.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:25 pm
You guys are out of touch if you think that Knapp is going to come in here and force a system on a group of players that will to fit into his system.
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I hope you’re right – but I haven’t seen Knapp adjust recently at all. He’s stuck with what he knew and when he hasn’t had the right personnel to run that system he’s struggled.
From Knapp’s own mouth today in an interview
“I was here last in 2008, and Darren McFadden was a rookie that year,” Knapp said. “I’m excited to get back with him. He really fits our run scheme well, as far as the zone scheme which I’ll be implementing with our coaches.”
February 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
“Because, the first two years McFadden averaged only 3.94 yards per carry. That was under the Zone Blocking Scheme that “Any running back can handle” being run by Knapp the 1st year and Cable the 2nd year.
The next 2 years under the Power scheme run by Hue Jackson and Al Saunders he averaged 5.3 yards per carry.
What other difference is there?”
That is easy to answer all you have to do is look at the number of times he got the ball in his hands. Under Hue Jackson (2 years) Hue gave the ball to McFadden more times and in many more situations (passing the ball to him, running the wildcat, trick plays etc.)
During 2008-2009 McFadden had 217 touches
During 2010-2011 McFadden had 339 touches
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
February 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
uh huh
February 27th, 2012 at 1:37 pm
Please explain in detail what that means. Why is he not as effective in a zone blocking scheme why is he effective in power blocking scheme, show real reasons as to why or why not. lets not just regurgitate what some derelict sports writer is telling you and run with it as there has to be a valid reason to support such theories.
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Yea, I don’t get that either. From what I remember about it when Terrel Davis was tearing up the league.. you run along the LOS until a hole opens up and then you explode through it, which was what TD excelled at.
Exploding through a hole is what McF was doing so well the last two years… the early part of his career? Not so much. He SHOULD be fine with either…
February 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
uh uh
February 27th, 2012 at 1:38 pm
“I hope you’re right – but I haven’t seen Knapp adjust recently at all. He’s stuck with what he knew and when he hasn’t had the right personnel to run that system he’s struggled.”
The main difference is that Cable and Kiffin coached the team and were clueless.
Dennis Allen will make sure Knapp utilizes his talent correctly this time around where as Cable was clueless.
This is my opinion of course.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
I’d also add that McFadden IMPROVED from his rookie to 3rd and 4th yrs.
He doesn’t run upright any longer.
Because of improved leverage in His running style, and added strength, he breaks tackles that brought Him down in yrs 1 and 2.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
sha
February 27th, 2012 at 1:39 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
“Because, the first two years McFadden averaged only 3.94 yards per carry. That was under the Zone Blocking Scheme that “Any running back can handle” being run by Knapp the 1st year and Cable the 2nd year.
The next 2 years under the Power scheme run by Hue Jackson and Al Saunders he averaged 5.3 yards per carry.
What other difference is there?”
That is easy to answer all you have to do is look at the number of times he got the ball in his hands. Under Hue Jackson (2 years) Hue gave the ball to McFadden more times and in many more situations (passing the ball to him, running the wildcat, trick plays etc.)
During 2008-2009 McFadden had 217 touches
During 2010-2011 McFadden had 339 touches
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
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If that made sense, than in 2011 it should’ve been Bush’s best YPC average not worst. He got way more touches than any other year, and his YPC was 3.8 last year.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
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Stats CAN lie. McF was hesitant, and easy to tackle his first two years. Everyone noticed how much harder he hit the hole, and how much better leveraged he was lately. He ran too upright before.
There is no stat for that.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:41 pm
lefty12 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
YA-you seem to blame the players for the terrible management by the previous HC.The problem was no backup plan in case he couldn’t go.The thing to do is formulate a better plan for when and if your lead RB goes down.As you say,you can fill that need with a low rd,undrafted,lowly paid backup.What is wrong with having both?
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How do I blame the players? It’s absolutely the coaches. They have to know the kind of players they have on their roster. They have to know that Bush isn’t built to play every offensive snap, nor can he break outside runs. They have to know that Jones and McFadden are injury prone and can’t be relied on.
The problem is that there’s very little need for a “lead” back in the NFL anymore. Even teams with “elite” players at the position rotate their running backs.
Unless every other unit on your team is rock solid and you have cap room to burn, there’s no reason to pay a single running back $5 million +.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
“Because, the first two years McFadden averaged only 3.94 yards per carry. That was under the Zone Blocking Scheme that “Any running back can handle” being run by Knapp the 1st year and Cable the 2nd year.
The next 2 years under the Power scheme run by Hue Jackson and Al Saunders he averaged 5.3 yards per carry.
What other difference is there?”
That is easy to answer all you have to do is look at the number of times he got the ball in his hands. Under Hue Jackson (2 years) Hue gave the ball to McFadden more times and in many more situations (passing the ball to him, running the wildcat, trick plays etc.)
During 2008-2009 McFadden had 217 touches
During 2010-2011 McFadden had 339 touches
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
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Michael Bush –
2009 123 touches 4.8 YPC
2010 158 touches 4.1 YPC
2011 256 touches 3.8 YPC
So, explain exactly why you think that more touches will equal higher yards per carry?
The only difference I see between year 1/2 and 3/4 is the system that was implemented. Obviously Bush didn’t respond as well as McFadden to the change in scheme.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If that made sense, than in 2011 it should’ve been Bush’s best YPC average not worst. He got way more touches than any other year, and his YPC was 3.8 last year.
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Seriously?
Bush is a way, way different player than McFadden.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Gdog Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
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Stats CAN lie. McF was hesitant, and easy to tackle his first two years. Everyone noticed how much harder he hit the hole, and how much better leveraged he was lately. He ran too upright before.
There is no stat for that.
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Winner Winner….( your’e favorite)……..dinner.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:43 pm
Gdog Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:40 pm
Pretty easy to answer your question of you look at that one single stat!!
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Stats CAN lie. McF was hesitant, and easy to tackle his first two years. Everyone noticed how much harder he hit the hole, and how much better leveraged he was lately. He ran too upright before.
There is no stat for that.
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Yeah…but WHY was he hesitant? He wasn’t comfortable in the Scheme and the plays.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:45 pm
YoungAmerican Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:42 pm
If that made sense, than in 2011 it should’ve been Bush’s best YPC average not worst. He got way more touches than any other year, and his YPC was 3.8 last year.
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Seriously?
Bush is a way, way different player than McFadden.
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Exactly. It’s not the number of touches. It is the change in scheme and plays. McFadden did much better under the “Hue/Saunders” Power Blocking scheme than the “Knapp/Cable” Zone Blocking scheme.
McFadden is a very different player than Bush. The change was for the better for McFadden. Not so much for Bush.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
“If that made sense, than in 2011 it should’ve been Bush’s best YPC average not worst. He got way more touches than any other year, and his YPC was 3.8 last year.”
Bush wore down as the season progressed and he is to slow to run outside the tackles. Teams would key on Bush during our last few games and knew that he did not have the speed to get outside so they stacked the middle and that alone had a huge impact on his YPC.
Now for this:
“The only difference I see between year 1/2 and 3/4 is the system that was implemented. Obviously Bush didn’t respond as well as McFadden to the change in scheme.”
Jackson was creative in getting the ball to McFadden much more so than Cable of Kiffin. Think of Wildcat or a trick play or McFadden hitting the edge in obvious passing situations. Bottom line Hue was more creative in how he utilized McFadden
February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
What change aside from scheme would you attribute to McFadden looking so much more comfortable and running so much harder in years 3 and 4?
He was still hurt a lot in all 4 years. But suddenly he went from a “total bust” to a “top 5 RB”. Believe me, 2 years ago NOONE in here thought that McFadden was good.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Yeah…but WHY was he hesitant? He wasn’t comfortable in the Scheme and the plays.
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I’ll bet DMAC isn’t hesitant this Season.
To think that this staff won’t figure out how to use Him is pretty funny.
Systems are not rigid.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
“If that made sense, than in 2011 it should’ve been Bush’s best YPC average not worst. He got way more touches than any other year, and his YPC was 3.8 last year.”
Bush wore down as the season progressed and he is to slow to run outside the tackles. Teams would key on Bush during our last few games and knew that he did not have the speed to get outside so they stacked the middle and that alone had a huge impact on his YPC.
Now for this:
“The only difference I see between year 1/2 and 3/4 is the system that was implemented. Obviously Bush didn’t respond as well as McFadden to the change in scheme.”
Jackson was creative in getting the ball to McFadden much more so than Cable of Kiffin. Think of Wildcat or a trick play or McFadden hitting the edge in obvious passing situations. Bottom line Hue was more creative in how he utilized McFadden
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More creative than Knapp you mean?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
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Sorry but this is the only way I can post now without being impersonated.
The low life cyber stalking and impersonating me as RAIDER WEAPON X and later as RWX
Clearly they hate RNS so I know posting or saying anything good about them everytime I post means there is NO WAY el dirt bag will do the same.
Eat a bowl and live!
February 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
You guys don’t think that McFadden doing better is there has been improvement in the quality of players on the oline?
February 27th, 2012 at 1:50 pm
Exactly. It’s not the number of touches. It is the change in scheme and plays. McFadden did much better under the “Hue/Saunders” Power Blocking scheme than the “Knapp/Cable” Zone Blocking scheme.
McFadden is a very different player than Bush. The change was for the better for McFadden. Not so much for Bush.
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In this observation you are leaving out the most critical components.
DMAC got stronger, and improved his running style, by “running behind” his pads.
DMAC was a better player primarily because of HIS improvement, not the scheme. imo
February 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“Exactly. It’s not the number of touches. It is the change in scheme and plays. McFadden did much better under the “Hue/Saunders” Power Blocking scheme than the “Knapp/Cable” Zone Blocking scheme.”
I disagree if you look at the offensive total output during the Hue Jackson years and then look at total offensive output during the Cable Kiffin years its night and day.
Thus any player will have better stats during the Hue Jackson era.
A good back will excel in any situation look at Barry Sanders did he have an offensive line? Did OJ have an offense NO he was the offense and people get so caught up on scheme, its not the X’s and the O’s its the willies and Joes.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
Exactly. It’s not the number of touches. It is the change in scheme and plays. McFadden did much better under the “Hue/Saunders” Power Blocking scheme than the “Knapp/Cable” Zone Blocking scheme.
McFadden is a very different player than Bush. The change was for the better for McFadden. Not so much for Bush.
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The point is that Bush is not built to play every offensive snap. He needs to share his carries. Even McFadden shares his carries. The Raiders didn’t bring anyone in to share the load with Bush down the stretch.
And McFadden has always been a player who benefits from seeing the ball a lot. He’s the kind of back who gets on a roll. He normally starts off slow. Short gains, even a loss here and there, balanced out by a couple 6-8 yard runs. The thing is, McFadden needs to see the ball a lot because eventually he breaks one off. That’s just his style of play. Lots of players are like that.
The unfortunate thing for McFadden is that he’s not durable enough to see all the carries he needs to be that consistent threat for an entire season.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Tired Of Being Impersonated By A TROLL Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
http://www.raidernationstation.com
Sorry but this is the only way I can post now without being impersonated.
The low life cyber stalking and impersonating me as RAIDER WEAPON X and later as RWX
Clearly they hate RNS so I know posting or saying anything good about them everytime I post means there is NO WAY el dirt bag will do the same.
Eat a bowl and live!
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How is it that you get hacked all the time.
I’m skeptical.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hue WAS waaaay more creative with DMC than Cable. Cable was a damb O line coach filling interim after the Kiffin Jamarcus disaster.
Hues one key to genius was actually asking players and watching highlight reels from their College days and simply recreating that HELLO!!!!!!
Its called TIM TEBOW now.
You get some of these “system” guys and they get mad cuz great players aren’t succeeding doing it according to THEIR system.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:48 pm
You guys don’t think that McFadden doing better is there has been improvement in the quality of players on the oline?
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I would think our o-line was playing better sure. They did seem to do a better job overall after the Cable Era (many people in here were making fun of that).
I don’t know about quality of players. I think they’re playing better as a unit. The middle and right side is basically the same for a few years.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:54 pm
“Knapp said what he liked about DMAC is that He is a one cut runner, and gets North / South fast.
I agree with that assessment.
Bush dances more than DMAC for crying out loud.”
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Not only does Bush dance too much, he takes forever to get that massive body going. He’s the WORST player for the ZBS. Which is another reason he will be gone. Fargas got all the carries because he hit the hole pretty well. His problem was AFTER… he’d try to run through people instead of around them. Which is also part of Bush’s problem.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
Tired of being impersonated by a TROLL Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
Hue WAS waaaay more creative with DMC than Cable. Cable was a damb O line coach filling interim after the Kiffin Jamarcus disaster.
Hues one key to genius was actually asking players and watching highlight reels from their College days and simply recreating that HELLO!!!!!!
Its called TIM TEBOW now.
You get some of these “system” guys and they get mad cuz great players aren’t succeeding doing it according to THEIR system.
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Exactly my point. The biggest weak point of our new coaching staff in my opinion is that exact statement.
“You get some of these “system” guys and they get mad cuz great players aren’t succeeding doing it according to THEIR system.”
February 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
More creative than Knapp you mean?
Let me clarify….Dennis Allen will not let Knapp be the Knapp of old he has higher expectations then Cable of Kiffin.
IMO Cale was clueless and had to lean on Knapp with a weaker roster and a horrible QB.
This year Knapp will be a better OC because he has DA to lean on and a roster of better players.
The O-Line has changed a lot since 2008 so we can all look to that area as well as to why McFadden has gotten better.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
The unfortunate thing for McFadden is that he’s not durable enough to see all the carries he needs to be that consistent threat for an entire season.
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Mcffaden needs a lot of touches. And he should get them.
Just motion Him out, or line Him up in the slot or out side.
Put the ball in His hands as often as possible.
February 27th, 2012 at 1:56 pm
Im hoping that if Mychal Kendricks is around when we pick in the 3rd that we defintley pick him up…I mite be biased because Im a Cal fan and I have had the chance to mett him a couple times and chop it up..The kid can play the game very well he had a good workout today and he loves the game of football.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
RaiderLen Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
How is it that you get hacked all the time.
I’m skeptical.
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Hi! I’m now Raider Len.
I love Raider Nation Station and read it all the time but thats pretty clear by the quality of information and insight I have on the Oakland Raiders.
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Still skeptical?
February 27th, 2012 at 2:03 pm
Bush in the ZBS = Lamont Jordan in Knapps offense. It was a disaster.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
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If any idiots want to post as me they’ll have to post
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February 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I have read in here that Bush is somehow a better fit for a ZBS scheme than McFadden, and how DMac is not suited to the new offense.
Hogwash.
Bush is not decisive enough to be an effective ZBS runner at this point in his career. Takes way too much time for him to figure out where he’s going. McFadden is an elite running back with a very quick first step; he gets up to speed and hits holes quickly, and makes yards after contact. Any “statistical analysis” of his first couple of years in Oakland with the ZBS is flawed if it doesn’t take into account injuries and Cable’s insistence on playing Fargas first. Elite running backs can thrive just about anywhere, and McFadden will have great success in the new offense barring further health problems. Count on it.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:51 pm
“Exactly. It’s not the number of touches. It is the change in scheme and plays. McFadden did much better under the “Hue/Saunders” Power Blocking scheme than the “Knapp/Cable” Zone Blocking scheme.”
I disagree if you look at the offensive total output during the Hue Jackson years and then look at total offensive output during the Cable Kiffin years its night and day.
Thus any player will have better stats during the Hue Jackson era.
A good back will excel in any situation look at Barry Sanders did he have an offensive line? Did OJ have an offense NO he was the offense and people get so caught up on scheme, its not the X’s and the O’s its the willies and Joes.
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If it’s not about the X’s and the O’s then why did the Raiders “O” shoot up so much 2 years ago?
Or the Texans Defense this year?
February 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
Basically dmac does not like and did not do very well with the zone blocking scheme. Then we have CP who is not a wco qb. Should have let knapp with the texans.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
“Hogwash.
Bush is not decisive enough to be an effective ZBS runner at this point in his career. Takes way too much time for him to figure out where he’s going. McFadden is an elite running back with a very quick first step; he gets up to speed and hits holes quickly, and makes yards after contact. Any “statistical analysis” of his first couple of years in Oakland with the ZBS is flawed if it doesn’t take into account injuries and Cable’s insistence on playing Fargas first. Elite running backs can thrive just about anywhere, and McFadden will have great success in the new offense barring further health problems. Count on it”
Excellent post!!
I agree 100%
February 27th, 2012 at 2:06 pm
334. Extenuating circumstance with Shell / Eaton who evers terrible O lone. One of the worst ever fielded but yeah, DMCs stats arent horrible under him in 2008 but they are deceiving.
DMC as Jerry mac pointed out, didn’t flourish until they ditched the Knapp / Cable ZBS
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February 27th, 2012 at 2:08 pm
339. DMC was a liability and injured alot. Thats why Fartglass got used so much. DMCs pass protecting was MIA, he was injured and he fumbled too much.
He has improved into one of the most well rounded RBs in the game but still gets dinged…
If he can put one together healthy, whoa boy
Raider nation Station rocks
February 27th, 2012 at 2:09 pm
Remember – DMac was injured his rookie season and tried to play through it. Then he continued to struggle with injuries in his sophomore season.
2010 has been his only healthy season thus far. Very hard to judge how much scheme has to do with any of his success.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:10 pm
“If it’s not about the X’s and the O’s then why did the Raiders “O” shoot up so much 2 years ago?
Or the Texans Defense this year?”
Darnerius Moore, Jason Campbell, DHB coming of age, McFadden used in a more creative manner, Jared Veldheer made a huge difference as did WIZ.
The Texans added 4 new starters to their already solid defense last year 2 in the secondary which was their weakness.
If it was all about scheme like you claim then why have the scouting combine why care about how fast a WR can run or how much a MLB weighs. Hell why even have a draft just get a bunch of scrubs off the street and pay them the minimum salary and use your magical scheme to win a Super Bowl.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:11 pm
edward teach Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
I have read in here that Bush is somehow a better fit for a ZBS scheme than McFadden, and how DMac is not suited to the new offense.
Hogwash.
Bush is not decisive enough to be an effective ZBS runner at this point in his career. Takes way too much time for him to figure out where he’s going. McFadden is an elite running back with a very quick first step; he gets up to speed and hits holes quickly, and makes yards after contact. Any “statistical analysis” of his first couple of years in Oakland with the ZBS is flawed if it doesn’t take into account injuries and Cable’s insistence on playing Fargas first. Elite running backs can thrive just about anywhere, and McFadden will have great success in the new offense barring further health problems. Count on it.
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Bush had solid stats and big games in the ZBS
RNS rules
February 27th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
DMC as Jerry mac pointed out, didn’t flourish until they ditched the Knapp / Cable ZBS
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Oversimplification. Look at the game performances during that period, then look at his injuries during the same time frame. Then factor in Cable’s starting Fargas and giving him the bulk of the work, ostensibly because McFadden wasn’t up to speed with blocking assignments and so forth.
I keep hearing that DMac isn’t a fit with the ZBS, but I have yet to see anyone post a quote from him or anyone else that supports that theory. He to my knowledge has said nothing negative about it, and the professional football coaches in Oakland seem to think he will do fine.
Another blog wives’ tale bites the dust, as a good many do when subject to scrutiny.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:15 pm
Silverandblack666 Says:
February 27th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
More creative than Knapp you mean?
Let me clarify….Dennis Allen will not let Knapp be the Knapp of old he has higher expectations then Cable of Kiffin.
IMO Cale was clueless and had to lean on Knapp with a weaker roster and a horrible QB.
This year Knapp will be a better OC because he has DA to lean on and a roster of better players.
The O-Line has changed a lot since 2008 so we can all look to that area as well as to why McFadden has gotten better.
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I agree with you – we definitely have better players. I just hope to hell you’re right. A unit can go from looking pretty good to looking crummy with a change of scheme and people not being comfortable.
Look how much worse our defense looked this year compared to last with the same players.
Knapp likes to run certain types of offenses. Even if we didn’t have the personnel I think he’d still want to run those offenses. That’s the only thing I’m worried about. Will our offense look as good trying to run these things.
Will our O-Line be as good switching back to a new scheme again.
Will DMC play as decisive?
Will our speed deamon WRs be able to run the precise timed routes?
Will Palmer be able to be athletic like Knapp says he is and do a lot of throws on the run, boot legs etc?
I always say if things are going well, don’t change everything. I don’t care if they switch the Defense to a 3-4, or if they change everything. It was horrible. It needs a huge change. But little things in scheme make a huge difference in the success or failure of a player. If that wasn’t the case than DeAngelo Hall (who’s very athletic) would’ve fit in our defense. Hall was a “Bust” in this scheme. He was a probowl player with the Falcons. Aso was a probowl player with us. He was suddenly lost with the Eagles.
If you try to force an square peg (even a very athletic one) into a round hole it just ain’t gonna work. Thus, my observations about McFadden not being as comfortable in the Zone Blocking Scheme. Aso not being as comfortable in the Zone coverage schemes. And Hall not being as comfortable in the man-to-man full time. And thus suddenly all looking like busts and seeming “out of place, a step behind and lost”
February 27th, 2012 at 2:21 pm
I didn’t see any rbs in this draft that looks as electrifying dmac looked.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:58 pm
Its time to add a d-lineman who can anchor us.
February 27th, 2012 at 2:59 pm
Theres nothing to talk about with dmac. Low trade value, high potential if we play him…
February 27th, 2012 at 3:03 pm
If we let bush go as a FA, we will probably get a compesatory pick at the end of the 3rd.. If we trade dmac we might get a 3rd or 4th rd pick.. Why in the world would you drade dmac for a throw away pick??
February 28th, 2012 at 1:13 am
Rarely get value in trades – keep McFadden (unless offer we can’t refuse). Bush likely to be too expensive to keep as backup.
I checked out the You Tube clips of Robert Turbin. Based on the film I would expect him to go around the middle of the draft (~round 4), but he’s had some injury problems. He looks like the kind of runner who can be effective in a zone blocking system; and if he can learn to run underneath his pads and become more decisive picking holes inside he could improve as a runner. He is not too quick nor explosive and a little tight, not real fluid, not an elite athlete but is a good athlete, not always pretty to watch but stays on his feet. I agree he would project as a good special teams player. Could be a good fit for the Raiders if he’s available in the mid rounds or later.
The most impressive thing about him was the way he catches the ball. There were clips of him plucking the ball in stride running downfield, catching the ball over his shoulder like a WR. He runs tough and can dip his shoulder and smack some defenders downfield and looks like he has some vision when he has running space. However, he needs some space to operate, doesn’t seem to be able to attack the creases running inside/ confined spaces – appears slow to pick the hole, a little indecisive hitting up the gut, not quick starting or accelerating, and often runs upright into the line and loses a lot of explosion on impact because he’s not running under his pads (though he is a tough guy and will fight hard for yardage after contact and he’s strong especially in the upper body). He could improve considerably with coaching in his weaker areas and probably would need to be a good pro runner. I don’t see him breaking a lot of big runs in the pros like he did in the WAC. I only saw him block on one play in the clips, how do you know he’s a good blocker?
I doubt that Reggie McKenzie would pick a guy based on him being local, but on the You Tube sequence another guy came up from Boise St. via Stockton Doug Martin who looks like more of a sure thing. He has a smaller body than Turbin much quicker hitting the holes inside and can catch short passes facing the QB. Stocky build instinctive runner good toughness.
Also saw You Tube clips of Trent Richardson. Looks like the next LaDanian Tomlinson
February 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
With our late drafts pick I don’t us picking a RB first. We need a DB and OL who can start on Day 1.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:32 am
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February 29th, 2012 at 3:43 pm
# 352 Mark Roy Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 5:26 pm
With our late drafts pick I don’t us picking a RB first. We need a DB and OL who can start on Day 1.
With picks starting at the end of round 3, pretty hard to get guys you can count on to start as rookies. If we resign Barnes, why do we need OL? If Barnes and Satele leave, Joe Barksdale has a shot at starting, so does Heyer. Bruce Campbell needs to start producing. He probably belongs at tackle
We certainly need immediate help at CB and Dennis Allen has already stated that’s a priority so they’re sure to address it
D esp. DB & LB needs help; who stays and who goes will determine how much where
March 2nd, 2012 at 5:48 am
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