Report: Raiders more than $25 million over projected cap figure
By Steve Corkran
Tuesday, February 28th, 2012 at 10:25 pm in Oakland Raiders.
ESPN reported earlier this month that the Raiders were $11 million over the projected salary cap for 2012. Now comes a report from ProFootballTalk.com that the Raiders are more than $25 million over the expected figure.
The ProFootballTalk.com report pegs the Raiders at $145.7 million for their top 51 salaried players, the ones who count toward the cap for now. The projected cap is slightly more than $120 million, much the same as last season.
By comparison, the Super Bowl champion New York Giants are the next most-cash-strapped team, at more than $129 million for their top 51 players.
As daunting as it seems, the Raiders still can get under the cap without much heavy lifting by the time they are required to do so, March 13, the day free agency starts.
For example, the Raiders could get quarterback Carson Palmer to restructure a contract that calls for him to earn $12.5 million in 2012 so that his cap hit drops to $2 million, in exchange for more money down the road, perhaps another year tacked on to his deal, too.
They also could get defensive tackle Richard Seymour to do the same thing, lessening by quite a bit his $15 million tag for 2012.
Finally, they can carry over $3.23 million in leftover cap room from 2011, which would cut into the $25 million with the stroke of the pen and a notification to the league office.
It isn’t pretty on paper, sure, but the Raiders never have had an issue finding creative ways to free up cap room. Some of those same people remain in the organization. It’s just that, they are going to have to work harder and longer this season than they did, say, two years ago.
In other words, expect to hear a ton of gloom and doom in the coming days, only to learn that the Raiders reached cap compliance by March 13 without the sky falling.
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February 28th, 2012 at 10:26 pm
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February 28th, 2012 at 10:27 pm
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February 28th, 2012 at 10:30 pm
RDT
The real problem is that we now have new players in critical positions. We don’t really know what the master plan is. Other than fix the D and score some points, there’s no definitive information to formulate any theories on. To make matters worse, we don’t have any picks in the upcoming draft until #97. That doesn’t give us any particulars to speculate about. We are all shooting blanks in here based on very little validated information. The only things we know for sure is that Knapp is not making too many people feel comfortable with his fixing an offense that wasn’t broken. The moderators need to get some fresh meat on the line so we can have something to gnaw on.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:32 pm
This is OLD News!
February 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
JB…I agree 100%
We can do anything we want to the Defense…and it will be an improvement!
All that needs to be done with the Offense is to utilize the off-season, OTA’s, and Training Camp to reap the benefits of a QB with his offensive players, the return of McFadden, and the growth of the WR’s and OLine.
We should automatically be a better team than last year!
February 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:29 pm
Join one of Corkran’s “Live” chats and you’ll see a guy trying to ride the coat-tails of a phenomenom without contributing in any way to make it happen.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
My Beliefs:
1) RMR – Senior Moderator of the Blog (this is his job)
2) Trolls – other MODS just stirring the pot.
3) This Blog is now going to die because the MODS thought they were more important than the honest, insightful, genuine Raider fan commenters that made this blog interesting and informative as opposed to a stupid, argumentative, soap opera.
Shame on you IBA.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:40 pm
Really want to say thank you to Steve for not making us stress the heck out unnecessarily over cap nightmares.
Its like people have short memories and can’t recall we always make cap without alot of problems.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
3. JB its called a rebuild and its gonna hoit.
Holding onto the eternal hope that U just never know. We could suddenly turn around if guys buy in and discipline gets installed.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:42 pm
On defense…if your contract doesn’t make sense, you will be cut/released or be tolerated until it makes sense to cut you.
Offensively, Bush will be allowed to walk…Reece, Schilens, and the like are welcome to come back, for the right price.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:37 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:33 pm
JB…I agree 100%
We can do anything we want to the Defense…and it will be an improvement!
All that needs to be done with the Offense is to utilize the off-season, OTA’s, and Training Camp to reap the benefits of a QB with his offensive players, the return of McFadden, and the growth of the WR’s and OLine.
We should automatically be a better team than last year!
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If DA were smart, this would be his plan.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:43 pm
5. Its not IBA.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 28th, 2012 at 10:44 pm
I would keep Schilens. Price is right and he’ll have an off season and camp to prove he can stay healthy and get his cardio in order after sitting for 2 years in row.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:52 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
538.Raider Weapon X XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 1:52 pm
Y’all need to check out my dope ass web design @ XXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXXX.COM!!! Its your #1 source for Raider news! My design is so fly, it makes all the bizzies cry!
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the only thing crying is you!
Which is it Spammer 1) RMR keeps posting as me? 2) It’s my little brother’s website? 3)My site is so fly?
Get off!
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I repeat!
You are one of the biggest reasons this blog is going downhill.
If you truly care…quit this crap!
If you don’t…Corkran! get responsible and clean it up!
February 28th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
and another thing…Live chat should defer to regular posters on this blog as opposed to answering the same questions over and over while ignoring questions from blog participants.
You (Cork & Jerry) need to start earning this success, because it is quickly going away with the EFFORT you guys have been giving it.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:58 pm
RDT, there are only a handful of commenters that make this blog interesting. Most commenters are a bunch of armchair GMs spewing captain obvious drivel. Really, your so called “trolls” are really all that keeps this place alive.
February 28th, 2012 at 10:59 pm
said the King of the Trolls
February 28th, 2012 at 11:00 pm
only a “handful” left because they are too intelligent and have other outlets besides this soap opera that you and your trolls have made this place.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
YOU…RMR, are one the major King-pins in the downfall of this once interesting forum of Raider fandom and intelligenzia.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:02 pm
Dmc “what’s that coach? Zone blocking? I think I hurt my toe yesterday…let’s see what the trainers say….maybe next week.”
February 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
HIP HOP IN THE BEEECH DAWG PENTHOUSE WUZZ UP
Yo yo yo, throwing down mad flavor at an impromptu rap battle with the Certified Platinum Posse! It all started at Olive Garden with this sick rhyme -
Bread sticks, bread sticks
Minestrone soup
Ravioli, chicken parm
Gotta take a poop
And got more and more pumped up when the house Chianti started mad flowin’. Yo, we were gettin’ so hype they almost asked us to leave before our sherbert arrived.
Now the battle is turning to an all our war, homies be takin’ off their pants and pouring 7-Up down them tighty whities. Gots to keep it real, whut?
Cover your eyes, ’cause this shiz bout to get straight up blinding!
YO SNOOP STEP UP TO THE MAJORS
February 28th, 2012 at 11:05 pm
RDT, I’ve been here for 6 years, and there are only about 5 interesting commenters at any given time, offering at least some kind of original or enlightening content. The rest is just, “ok, we need this guy for 3rd string long snapper”. zzzzz. That kind of boring convo does not keep a blog going. A lot of what you call troll content is funny and keeps the blog vibrant. try having a sense of humor and just rolling with it. It’s just sports, dude, which is a facet of the entertainment industry. You know how women look when they start getting all crazy over celeb gossip? That’s how you look when you take sports seriously.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:06 pm
Sullivan44 (nom du jour) interesting how you show up now…just proves my point as to you being the “Senior Mod” whose main job is to p!ss people off and generate meaningless hits on the blog as opposed to real discourse and exchange of meaningful information.
Big surprise!
February 28th, 2012 at 11:08 pm
Dang. Steve burnin the midnight oil.
Cap problem? What cap problem?
As was stated, getting this contract BS pointed the right way is going to hurt! But only for a little while, then we become a bona fide NFL franchise again.
Season tickets purchased, vacation time “requested”, ready to see what we got.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:09 pm
taking the obvious, unpopular viewpoint or being the devil’s advocate is the easiest position to take in a debate or discussion as well.
You add nothing that an Idiot Savant couldn’t add and at the same time…you have no endearing qualities.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:11 pm
Question for you RMR…why has participation in this blog dwindled to only a handful of “interesting” commentators, that aren’t here now?
February 28th, 2012 at 11:12 pm
blog used to be active 7/24…now? not so much.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RDT, honestly. if I were a moderator here, what effect would that really have on your life?
Use your head. This blog, like most blogs, is dying because of twitter.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:16 pm
“The rest is just, “ok, we need this guy for 3rd string long snapper”. zzzzz. That kind of boring convo does not keep a blog going. A lot of what you call troll content is funny and keeps the blog vibrant.”
This is why we have trolls uncontrolled, because it is sanctioned by the mods and those they work for that want the hits to keep coming…like it used to before the Mods tried to “keep it vibrant”.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:17 pm
Dang Blog Goobers!
I was just stepping into the hot tub with this fine shorty for some quick tonsil hockey when I heard DJ 10 Toes drop this sick rhyme -
Yo gotta give a shout out to my deli sub
Provolone, french baguette, fine aged pastrami
Yo this ain’t Subway, fool
It was made fresh by my mommy
Dang, DJ 10 Toes WRECKED some fool with that diss!
Gots to smoke a phat spliff and get back into this epic rap battle.
But first I gots to dry the jacuzzi water off my ding dong. Priorities, word
February 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Sullivan44 Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 11:15 pm
RDT, honestly. if I were a moderator here, what effect would that really have on your life?
Use your head. This blog, like most blogs, is dying because of twitter.
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Can’t speak intelligently with this kind of mindset.
Good night!
February 28th, 2012 at 11:18 pm
Twitter is replacing the blogosphere. At the end of the day, your trolls are all that kept blogs going. You can join twitter, follow all of the tribune writers, respond to them on twitter. you can even use an anonymous account, put up a fake profile pic. A lot of people do. Or you can use your real name. After spending a couple of hours on twitter, most people just aren’t bothering to visit blogs they used to like. That’s what’s happening. But go ahead and entertain your own conspiracy theories if it makes you feel smart.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:19 pm
Oh…and Good-bye blog, hope everyone enjoys Twitter instead.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:21 pm
“you can even use an anonymous account, put up a fake profile pic. A lot of people do.”
Once again…that is your deal, not everybody else’s.
Enjoy your non-real existence, probably will because it’s better than your real one.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:24 pm
oops.
I didn’t know I could get a post pulled for saying that.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:25 pm
Admit it RMR…you were given a job to generate hits here…and you FAILED.
Hits have gone down and it’s on you and your sock-puppet army, because you have no connection to the real world or relationships that may exist in something you consider antiquated to new technologies such as Twitter or flavour of the day stuff.
We came here because we liked the people here and knew we could find them here, not because it was the “greatest technological way” to do so.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:29 pm
I ask you RMR…why do you think this used to be the most succesful blog in the world?
I believe it happened before your sock-puppet army and it’s brand of humour that kept it “vibrant”.
You’re a Johnny-come-lately that didn’t know what it was in the first place.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
But that’s something that you are probably used to by now and just consider it something that happens and has nothing to do with you or your behaviour.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Bush & Schilens will be gone to FA. The key resigns are Branch (S), Heyer (OG), Cartwright (RB-ST), Barnes (BU-OT), Satele (BU-C), Moss (BU-DE), Groves (BU-LB/ST), Giordano (BU-S/ST).
I’m assuming anyone indicated above with a BU designation, they can be resigned fairly inexpensively.
In addition to the above I’d like to see us go after:
• J. Gaither – OT (SD) to start at RT
• A. Spencer – LB (Dal) to start at OLB
• M. Tolbert – RB (SD) to replace Bush
• D. Connor – LB (Car) to start at OLB
• A. Franklin – NT (NO) to start at NT
• T. Porter – CB (NO) to start at CB
• D. Garrard – QB (FA) BU-QB
I’m predicting we play more 3-4 than 4-3 on D. I’m looking at Romac & Curry to be the ILB with Curry as the blitzer & Romac in coverage. My depth chart would look like:
DEFENSE
RDE – Seymour, Moss, Bryant
NT – Franklin, Houston, Ivey
LDE – Shaughnessy, Bryant, Houston
SSLB – Connor, Goethal, Groves
ILB – Curry, Goethal, Connor
ILB – McClain, Goethal, Connor
WSLB – Spencer, Groves, Goethal
RCB – Porter, Checkwa, Huff
LCB – Underwood, DVD, Huff
SS – Branch, Mitchell, ?
FS – Huff, Giordano, ?
OFFENSE
WR – Ford, McGee, Murphy
TE – Boss, Ausberry, Gordon, Myers
OLT – Veldheer, Gaither, Barnes
OLG – Heyer, BCampbell, Wiz
OC – Wiz, Satele, Veldheer
ORG – Barksdale, BCampbell, Carlisle
ORT – Gaither, Barnes, Barksdale, BCampbell
WR – D-Wow, DHB, Murphy
RB – Dmac, Tolbert, TJones, Reece, Cartwright
FB – Tonga, Reece, Gordon
QB – Palmer, Garrard, Pryor, Lechler
K – Janakowski, Lechler
P – Lechler
LS – Condo
February 28th, 2012 at 11:31 pm
Yo, the rap battle is heating up to unimaginable proportions!
Homies throats gettin’ so dry from spitting sick lyrics I had to break out the Kearns Nectar.
Strawberry Banana in the HOUSE
Yo, in a minute I’ll be rehearsing with Rasta Ganja – my sweet new reggae side project – in the bedroom.
We gots to stay away from the heat of the rap battle or we might get BURNED
B BOYS GETTIN’ HYPE
February 28th, 2012 at 11:32 pm
Some day soon a knock on the door is going to come…
February 28th, 2012 at 11:34 pm
JB appreciate the actual talk about fooseball. Between snoop’s wanna be step nephew and the adderal riddled RDR I thought I was in a IM chatroom
February 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
RDT*
February 28th, 2012 at 11:35 pm
You are probably right. This is a real dead time right now. Gonna run myself. Have a good night.
February 28th, 2012 at 11:41 pm
We’re definitely in ‘Bat Country’ for the next few weeks. Thx likewise
February 28th, 2012 at 11:56 pm
The CAP is a good thing; it will save us. At least we can get down to business quickly now and cut out the dead wood and prune down the under-performing wood. CP, Bush, DMAC, DHB, Richard Seymour, Wimbley, Huff, Curry, McClain, etc. etc.
All need to go to be replaced with minimum payees, gems in the rough, the unsigned FA’s, walk-ons (Otis Sistrunk was a walk on, didn’t even go to college), the rogues, the unappreciated.
C’mon Reggie and Mark, this isn’t business as usual, or a regular NFL team; do something that’s never been done. Use that strategy to transition into dynasty.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:01 am
Well Autumn Rising…we all can’t be stellar contributors like yourself…we can only hope NOT to be.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:12 am
prune down the under-performing wood. CP, Bush, DMAC, DHB, Richard Seymour, Wimbley, Huff, Curry, McClain,
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So, CARSON PALMER, too? No QB. The most important position, one we havent had since Gannon left, and he’s under performing, too? 400 yards v. San Diego…what is Palmer going to play defense and stop 99 yard drives, too?
25 million over cap…AWESOME, thanks again, Al or whoever put these contracts together…..absolutely awful.
I mean, was there ever, ever a more ridiculous way to put a team together…no wiggle room, no draft picks….i mean “My way or the highway” mentality.
Is it me, or did Gruden win IN SPITE of Al Davis and not because of him?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 am
Master Beeecham Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 11:03 pm
HIP HOP IN THE BEEECH DAWG PENTHOUSE WUZZ UP
Yo yo yo, throwing down mad flavor at an impromptu rap battle with the Certified Platinum Posse! It all started at Olive Garden with this sick rhyme -
Bread sticks, bread sticks
Minestrone soup
Ravioli, chicken parm
Gotta take a poop
And got more and more pumped up when the house Chianti started mad flowin’. Yo, we were gettin’ so hype they almost asked us to leave before our sherbert arrived.
Now the battle is turning to an all our war, homies be takin’ off their pants and pouring 7-Up down them tighty whities. Gots to keep it real, whut?
Cover your eyes, ’cause this shiz bout to get straight up blinding!
YO SNOOP STEP UP TO THE MAJORS
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This mofo Killed HIP and Raped HOP…..
Pauly Shore could do better – man, whorific……
February 29th, 2012 at 12:33 am
RaiderSam,
Of course, we’ll have a QB next season: CP. But, we can get him to re-structure. Afterall, JC is still technically under contract, and fans are mad to call him the next coming of Plunkett, and bring him back into the fold.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:03 am
Hardline
JCampbell is NOT under contract. He an UFA. Palmer will restructure without a problem. He’s already on record tat money is not the issue. He’s already got more than he needs in excess of $100M in the bank.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:41 am
This blog is a great place for Raider up to the minute news. All the trolls are really one person that consume only a small fraction of the actual blogsters. If you don’t keep it Raider, a troll must you be. I love the Raiders. Hence, not a troll am I. But some just want to talk politics. How many times have I told ya’ll to leave politics to the politicians. Trolls them all! Some just want to say mean and nasty things. Trolls them all! If it ain’t Raider, I’m afraid it’s trolling my good gents. Say you can be a multi cross posting dude and not be a troll if you keep it Raider. Or you can be a cross posting blogster and not be Raider and be a troll. But steve and Jer have worked their collective asses off to ideally make this a Raider blog. Keep it that way gentlemen, keep it that way.
February 29th, 2012 at 4:40 am
But steve and Jer have worked their collective asses off to ideally make this a Raider blog.
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Really? Those guys don’t work hard on this blog. Steve can barely get up before noon and would to prefer tweet late at night than contribute here. Jerry probably writes posts when he is sitting on the toilet.
February 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
This is going to be a very challenging offseason for Reggie McKenzie.
The thing that’s encouraging for me is that he had to know the state of the franchise before he took the job, which means he wanted very much to come to the Raiders. He had a great job with the Packers and was virtually certain to have other offers if he turned down the Oakland job, so no incentive at all to wade into the muck if it wasn’t the job he really wanted.
I think being the GM of the Raiders is more than just another job for RM. Couldn’t ask for a better scenario, if you’re a fan.
February 29th, 2012 at 5:50 am
Two birds, one stone.
Send a message to the team: No overpaid, quitting prima donnas need apply or show up. Men with heart only, who are willing to sacrifice for their team.
In other words, trade DMAC for the rights to Oren O’neal.
February 29th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Two blonde girls were working for the city public works department. One would dig a hole and the other would follow behind her and fill the hole in.
They worked up one side of the street, then down the other, then moved on to the next street, working furiously all day without rest, one girl digging a hole, the other girl filling it in again. An onlooker was amazed at their hard work, but couldn’t understand what they were doing..
So he asked the hole digger, ‘I’m impressed by the effort you two are putting in to your work, but I don’t get it — why do you dig a hole, only to have your partner follow behind and fill it up again?’
The hole digger wiped her brow and sighed, ‘Well, I suppose it probably looks odd because we’re normally a three-person team. But today the girl who plants the trees called in sick.’
February 29th, 2012 at 5:53 am
Savage Carlisle = 2012 Pro Bowler
February 29th, 2012 at 5:55 am
Good Morning Nation and Happy Friggen Leap Year!!!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:00 am
expect to hear a ton of gloom and doom in the coming days, only to learn that the Raiders reached cap compliance by March 13 without the sky falling.
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thanks Cork!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:02 am
Leap Year only shows up once every 4 years.
Richard Seymour only shows up once every 4 games.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:05 am
Savage Carlisle = 2012 Pro Bowler
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JFB,
he’s gonna make his first Pro Bowl at age 35?
dang. I thought London Fletcher was a late bloomer!!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:11 am
“OUT OF WHACK”
February 29th, 2012 at 6:12 am
I keep hearing Cork talking about going after Marques Colston in free agency. But how much is that gonna cost? What? bout $8 Mil? And thats for a wideout that has a rash of injuries approaching 30. Too expensive and we need to focus the cash influx on the DL and CB’s. I don’t see us signing any WR’s this year even though there is a long list of established FA WR’s. Too much of a luxury.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I don’t buy the report from PFT that we are 25 mill over the cap, I will stick with Claytons report of 11 mill, he is a more reliable source in my opinion than the douche bags at PFT
February 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I don’t see us signing any WR’s this year even though there is a long list of established FA WR’s. Too much of a luxury
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co-signed!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:24 am
BCZ,
in all fairness.. John Clayton is just as much of a douche bag as Mike Florio
thats like saying DMAC is injury prone, but Chaz Schilens isn’t
February 29th, 2012 at 6:26 am
It appears the Bengals, Buccaneers, Titans, Redskins, and Broncos have the most money to spend this offseason.
I can see these teams ending up with Jason Campbell, Michael Bush & Tyvon Branch
February 29th, 2012 at 6:27 am
CHAZ IS HURT ? LINK/SOURCE ??
February 29th, 2012 at 6:30 am
According to Spotrac.com our 2012 salarys are at 108 million now, which is 12 mill below the cap. Anyone care to look over this list and see if the can figure out who is missing to accound for 30 million dollars
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/cap-hit/
February 29th, 2012 at 6:31 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 6:24 am
BCZ,
in all fairness.. John Clayton is just as much of a douche bag as Mike Florio
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Agreed, but no one in the media follows the cap situations more closely than Clayton, so I tend to believe him on this subject
February 29th, 2012 at 6:31 am
So Rockstar, is it ok to say that Seymour will have his Leap Year this year?
Dirt Lot…good one, post 68!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:32 am
GOOD MORNING SPORT’S FAN’S.ROCKSTAR,BCZ..
February 29th, 2012 at 6:33 am
HWNRDR..GOOD DAY MAN..
February 29th, 2012 at 6:37 am
SO..WHEN DO ALL THE INFANTS BORN 2DAY CELEBRATE THEIR BIRTHDAY FROM NOW ON ?
February 29th, 2012 at 6:40 am
Anyone care to look over this list and see if the can figure out who is missing to accound for 30 million dollars
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BCZ,
didn’t click your link, but I would guess we owe more than $30 million to players no longer under contract
Aren’t we still paying Rich Gannon, Aaron Brooks, Kerry Collins & JaWalrus?
February 29th, 2012 at 6:43 am
Dirt Lot,
when you turn 60, you celebrate your 15th birthday
sucks if you ask me!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:46 am
I THINK SOME ON HERE ARE 60 GOING ON 15 ROCKSTAR.HOW R THINGS IN PODUNK ?
February 29th, 2012 at 6:48 am
@Dirt Lot
I’m 28, but I feel like i’m turning 45 in April
tornados in Podunk last night. just glad the family is safe
February 29th, 2012 at 6:48 am
Wow are Steve and Jerry getting scooped or what?
Look at the following article and compare to Steve’s above:
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Raiders-have-more-than-145-million-in-co?blockID=660202&feedID=2801
The difference is Steve just quotes BSPN but CSN actually goes through numbers and then lists the top 16 cap numbers player by player with their own compilation. Big difference.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:51 am
released cornerback Stanford Routt still counts $10,785,334 towards the Raiders cap in 2012 as “dead money.”
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BCZ,
we can’t cut ROMAC?
you sure?
February 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
Steve and Jerry call the cap a “myth” and avoid having to report actual facts and figures, just posting links to the web and saying its not a big deal. Guess they like having “chats” and expressing their opinions better.
Are there any reporters left?
February 29th, 2012 at 6:53 am
ROCKSTAR,HAVE FAMILY IN KANSAS.KNOW THE WHOLE TORNADO ROUTINE..U AND YOURS STAY OUT OF HARMS WAY OK..
February 29th, 2012 at 6:54 am
By the way I do not believe this is “no big deal” like Steve and Jerry. Al solved this problem by kicking cap numbers down the road. Eventually that catches up with you. From doing this, the Raiders have the worst cap situation in the NFL by far. The story I linked in #79 still shows that Routt is still costing over 10 million in dead money! Boss’s actual number is 4.75 million not 2 million as previously reported.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:56 am
80.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 6:51 am
released cornerback Stanford Routt still counts $10,785,334 towards the Raiders cap in 2012 as “dead money.”
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BCZ,
we can’t cut ROMAC?
you sure?
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According to everything I have seen Stan Routt is only counting 5 million towards the cap.
YES for the millionth time I am sure we are not cutting a 22 year old 3rd year player and take a 13.5 million cap hit because podunk doesnt like him.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
78.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 6:48 am
@Dirt Lot
I’m 28, but I feel like i’m turning 45 in April
tornados in Podunk last night. just glad the family is safe
Wow…glad you and your Ohana are safe Rockstar! It’s pouring out here and people are driving like idiots! i can only imagine what will happen to the bay if there were Snow, tornadoes, yada yada!
February 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
Boss’s actual number is 4.75 million not 2 million as previously reported.
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we aren’t paying the Boss that much. He’ll restructure or kicks rocks
He’s only one concussion away from eating soup for the rest of his life
February 29th, 2012 at 6:57 am
There is going to be a lot of cutting this time is my prediction! The new regime will restructure only when the cap demands it (i.e. piling up dead money this year if they cut) and/or they really want to keep the player. They cut Routt because of the long-term ramifications of the contract not the short term hit.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:58 am
Rockstar
#86 Like I said more cuts less restructures…. We are not going extend this guy for 3 years with that kind of contract and health.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:00 am
Morning DirtLot…
February 29th, 2012 at 7:03 am
According to everything I have seen Stan Routt is only counting 5 million towards the cap.
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BCZ,
now Paul Gutierrez (Raider beat writer) is a douche bag too because his numbers don’t mirror Clayton’s ???
February 29th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Kevin Boss counts 2.75 mil not 4.75 mil
February 29th, 2012 at 7:04 am
There is going to be a lot of cutting this time is my prediction! The new regime will restructure only when the cap demands it (i.e. piling up dead money this year if they cut) and/or they really want to keep the player. They cut Routt because of the long-term ramifications of the contract not the short term hit
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AW,
100% correct
February 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
I agree with the cuts and less restructures. We need to stop borrow from tommorow what we enjoy today. Today is filled with starting over anyway, and the roster is going to be flipped several more times before we are ready to contend with teams in better cap situations as we are in.
Fiscally conservative, sleeker, slender, more disciplined organization from top to bottom. It’s just what the doc ordered. Doesn’t make the medicine any more tasty,
Ever go the doc’s or dentist’s office and they say, “Now this is gonna pinch a little bit”, and then it hurts like hell? That’s what Reggie Mac’s going to have to do to get this team back on track.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:07 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:04 am
Kevin Boss counts 2.75 mil not 4.75 mil
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Says who – BSPN??? I really do not know what the numbers are. Only RM and his staff and NFL compliance really knows. Jerry admits he doesn’t know – he wrote an article about it a few days ago. That is half the reason he never writes about it seriously. The other half is he thinks it is all a myth and the Raiders always manipulate it anyways.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:09 am
BCZ,
now Paul Gutierrez (Raider beat writer) is a douche bag too because his numbers don’t mirror Clayton’s ???
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I didn’t say that. Stop putting words in my mouth.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:10 am
Why does the NFL keep the formula for compensatory draft picks so secret that even the experts and capologists are always left guessing?
Why the subterfuge? Anyone know?
February 29th, 2012 at 7:10 am
YES for the millionth time I am sure we are not cutting a 22 year old 3rd year player and take a 13.5 million cap hit because podunk doesnt like him.
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LMAO
Good morning Nation.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:11 am
The key to next season will be can the Raiders existing offense and a retooled no-name defense improve with improved coaching or the loss of too many defenders going to make the defense even worse and will the offense regress with the new scheme. I honestly do not have a good or bad feeling about next year yet.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:12 am
I agree with Bcz. I think we are around $10 million over the cap and not $25.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:12 am
I agree with the cuts and less restructures. We need to stop borrow from tommorow what we enjoy today. Today is filled with starting over anyway, and the roster is going to be flipped several more times before we are ready to contend with teams in better cap situations as we are in.
Fiscally conservative, sleeker, slender, more disciplined organization from top to bottom. It’s just what the doc ordered. Doesn’t make the medicine any more tasty,
Ever go the doc’s or dentist’s office and they say, “Now this is gonna pinch a little bit”, and then it hurts like hell? That’s what Reggie Mac’s going to have to do to get this team back on track.
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Reggie McKenzie inheriting the Raiders cap situation is like marrying a chick with 50-100 thousand credit card debt
Al’s motto should have been “just spend, baby!”
Sort of like the broke friends you have that pay for dinner, even though you KNOW they don’t have the funds. they just wanna look good and act like they’re doing really well for themselves
February 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
Says who – BSPN??? I really do not know what the numbers are.
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Says every place I can find his contract! 2 million base 750k proration of the signing bonus. 2.75 million unless my math is bad
February 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
I don’t think the defense can do any worse than last year.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider 0
We now have two recent independent reports from from BSPN and one from CSN Bay area saying we are at least 25 million over. I do not know what to believe at this point but I do know we need to do a lot of restructuring and cutting to free up space to sign FA’s let alone be compliant.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Like all years past, I think we will be fine come March 13th! However, we may not have enough to really spend this year in FA! Just Coach, baby!
February 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:13 am
I don’t think the defense can do any worse than last year.
I agree with that – I think Defense is a lot more coaching and heart than talent.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:16 am
I don’t think the defense can do any worse than last year.
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this sounds optimistic.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
It could always be worse. There are many depths and levels inside of hell.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:17 am
YES for the millionth time I am sure we are not cutting a 22 year old 3rd year player and take a 13.5 million cap hit
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O & BCZ
you guys loving on Rolando without anything to stand on as far as his play on the field is much like those guys who defended JaMarcus because he’s young and overpaid.
the only thing people can say is that his coaches & teammates sucked. blame everybody else, right?
February 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
They should have cut Seymour when they had the chance. I don’t get that, unless they think they can trade him for a draft pick and end up paying only half his salary. Bad move.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
John Clayton from BSPN reported that we are around $10 million over the cap. I also read a few other articles that suggest the same thing.
I’m not a cap expert like Bcz, but I can’t see how we went from 10-$25 million over.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
The key to next season will be can the Raiders existing offense and a retooled no-name defense improve with improved coaching or the loss of too many defenders going to make the defense even worse and will the offense regress with the new scheme. I honestly do not have a good or bad feeling about next year yet.
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Agreed with AW!
I feel great about next season
February 29th, 2012 at 7:20 am
Rockstar, I will give Rolando one more chance this year…but if Reggie decides to cut him loose, then I will stand by ReMac!
February 29th, 2012 at 7:20 am
110.Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:19 am
John Clayton from BSPN reported that we are around $10 million over the cap. I also read a few other articles that suggest the same thing.
I’m not a cap expert like Bcz, but I can’t see how we went from 10-$25 million over.
Agreed!!!
February 29th, 2012 at 7:21 am
A lot guys are counting way more to the cap than their actual salary according that chart by P. Gutty. Need to work on those outta wack contracts soon.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:22 am
RR,
Did you want DHB cut too? I thought you said you were one of the few that believed in him.
McClain has better production in his 1st 2 years than DHB had, but you want to cut McClain?!
Stop being a hater.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:23 am
I seriously doubt PFT knows what our cap picture really is. They probably just guessed based on contracts sign over the past few years without factoring in all the changes to those contracts that have happened over that time.
I mean besides Palmers contract, what have we really added that would put us $25 million over the cap? The $11 million dollar figure makes more sense as that is about what Palmers number is for this year.
I wouldn’t worry much about this.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:25 am
I’m not a cap expert like Bcz
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O,
BCZ is a stud blogger for sure, but he’s not any more of a “cap expert” than you and me. the man knows how to operate a google search. he knows how to add and subtract.
I don’t think he’s qualified to determine what sources are right or wrong regarding our cap situation. thats just his opinion
the important thing is, Mark & Reggie know. I’m sure we’ll be in compliance by the deadline and there will be some changes we don’t like when it’s all said and done …
February 29th, 2012 at 7:26 am
I look forward to the culture change that D. Allen and co. are going to bring to training camp. It’s going to be one of the more intruiging stories in the NFL and sure to get a lot press and scrutiny.
I expect some eye-opening moments when Allen will make examples of some of the starters and/or stars to prove his point about accountability. Some of the studs will be kicking rocks, and it would give me great pleasure to see McClain get with the program.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:27 am
65.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I don’t see us signing any WR’s this year even though there is a long list of established FA WR’s. Too much of a luxury
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co-signed!
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Agreed!!!
Focus on defense, defense, defense…………And a RB.
What’s up RR?
February 29th, 2012 at 7:28 am
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:15 am
Raider 0
We now have two recent independent reports from from BSPN and one from CSN Bay area saying we are at least 25 million over. I do not know what to believe at this point but I do know we need to do a lot of restructuring and cutting to free up space to sign FA’s let alone be compliant
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This is incorrect. What you have is CSN Bay area and someone from BSPN quoting the PFT article. The FACT is that the NFL and teams NEVER release their actual cap figures.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:28 am
Dakota
I really do not know what to believe – Clayton has been wrong a lot but the methodology PFT used is flawed because it does not take into account everything. Bottom line both show the Raiders are the most over the cap team in NFL and they need to rework contracts and cut people and the way the defense played that is where it should start. They need to free up money for FA. Expect a lot of action by the 13th. We may see up to 5 opening day starters cut on defense and up to 2 on offense.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:29 am
RR,
I was joking, and giving a compliment for all his hard work when it came to that subject. I don’t care how easy it is to google it.The fact is he is the only one who googles these stats, and he I think he does a great job doing it.
If it makes you feel better, you can be our JLH expert.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:30 am
BCZ is a stud blogger for sure, but he’s not any more of a “cap expert” than you and me. the man knows how to operate a google search. he knows how to add and subtract.
I don’t think he’s qualified to determine what sources are right or wrong regarding our cap situation. thats just his opinion
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So why do you CHOOSE to believe PFT over Clayton? What in your opinion makes them a more reliable source. What Guetierez quoted it so it is accurate?
Even the site you LOVE to quote Rotoworld says Boss is due 2 mill in salary this year, but you choose to believe its 4.75 mill because PFT or Paul G said it?
February 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am
McClain has better production in his 1st 2 years than DHB had
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based upon what?
run defense? pass defense? sacks? turnovers?
ROMAC hasn’t made a positive impact in any way, shape or form. Jhill wants to keep him because “who else we gonna get. Brown, Blackstock or Goethel?”. BCZ admitted he’s a clown and sorry ace player, but we gotta keep because we can’t afford to cut him loose. Everybody else says we gotta keep him because of potential. what potential? what have you seen that says he’ll be a better player in YR3 than YR2 ???
by the way – DHB never threw his teammates under the bus or got into off-field trouble. Plus everybody knew when we drafted him he was a project. Selected based upon height/weight/speed. the dude couldn’t catch a friggin cold, but he was a tireless worker and film junky. ROMAC was a cant miss pick. Top 10 for any team. most NFL ready of anybody, like Robert Gallery. not a valid comparison imo
February 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am
BCZ,
Here is a site that purports to know all our contracts, not sure if it will help you or not:
http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/oakland-raiders/
February 29th, 2012 at 7:35 am
you can be our JLH expert
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thanks O, I’ll accept
February 29th, 2012 at 7:37 am
BCZ
You are all fixated on the 10 million difference. I really do not know what the figure is, all I do know is the Raiders are consistently at the very top of the Cap issues and will have to do a lot of work to free up money for FA that is my point. Look at my posts I am saying I do not know what to believe only RM and his staff and NFL compliance knows! I do believe the 16 players listed on CSN Bay Area article represent the ones that need attention though.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:38 am
Dakota I posted that same link an hour ago. That is the site I use, and if you notice it says we are at 108 mill in cap hits as of today
It also says the cap hit for Routt is only 5 mill, while Gutierez says its 11 mill.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:39 am
124.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:33 am
McClain has better production in his 1st 2 years than DHB had
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based upon what?
run defense? pass defense? sacks? turnovers?
ROMAC hasn’t made a positive impact in any way, shape or form. Jhill wants to keep him because “who else we gonna get. Brown, Blackstock or Goethel?”. BCZ admitted he’s a clown and sorry ace player, but we gotta keep because we can’t afford to cut him loose. Everybody else says we gotta keep him because of potential. what potential? what have you seen that says he’ll be a better player in YR3 than YR2 ???
by the way – DHB never threw his teammates under the bus or got into off-field trouble. Plus everybody knew when we drafted him he was a project. Selected based upon height/weight/speed. the dude couldn’t catch a friggin cold, but he was a tireless worker and film junky. ROMAC was a cant miss pick. Top 10 for any team. most NFL ready of anybody, like Robert Gallery. not a valid comparison imo
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I have to agree with Rockstar. I will doubt McClain until he shows up in camp in shape and then shows some hustle in some games. It is all about attitude and work ethic with this guy, and those are two very difficult areas to change. Once a douche bag, always a douche bag imo.
DHB didn’t have the natural talent, but he is a HARD WORKER. McClain isn’t. No 23 year old athlete can allow his body to look like that and claim to be committed to his profession (linemen don’t count lol.)
February 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
BCZ, sorry I missed that. I don’t usually scan through all of the old posts in the morning. Makes my head hurt.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:40 am
BCZ,
I’m not proclaiming to know all the answers regarding player contracts. I’m not saying I’m right and you’re wrong. I’m not saying one source is better than the other.
I was just pointing out that you pretend to know, when none of us fans actually do. all the sources are the same imo. you choose to pick one over another and thats your opinion- not fact
February 29th, 2012 at 7:41 am
You are all fixated on the 10 million difference
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10 million dollars is a HUGE difference. That is potentially 10 or more players. Our entire draft class didn’t cost 10 million last year! 10 million dollars is a LOT of money
I am not attacking you 1960, I am just saying, there isnt 10 different reports out there, there is one, and a whole bunch of copy cats. I guarantee if I got published in a paper saying I had sources to tell me the Raiders were UNDER the cap, there would be 10 different reports following it saying the same.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:44 am
I think McKenzie and Allen will just have to take a couple of years to sort through Al’s mess.
There are so many contracts that are out of line it can’t all be fixed in one offseason. They may have to keep a loser like McClain on the roster for a couple of years because of the cap hit they would take to cut him as BCZ pointed out. Other players may have to stay for a while simply because if cut, we still wouldn’t have room to sign a decent replacement.
But I trust McKenzie and Allen to get us through this pile of schyt and come out on the other side as a well-oiled machine that no longer signs marginal players to big contracts (Wimbley, Huff, Routt etc etc etc).
The Al Davis Gravy Train for the Inept has been closed down. Agents across the country are in mourning.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am
Another post about how we’re way over the cap! Nobody else sent packing yet?
February 29th, 2012 at 7:45 am
I dont pretend to know anything. WTF are you talking about. I state my opinion, followed by links and sources like YOU always ask for, but because I dont come up with the same info as you all the sudden I am a self proclaimed know it all? WTF is that about?
I never said it was FACT or that I am an expert, in fact I clearly said it WAS my opinion :
“64.bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 6:21 am
I don’t buy the report from PFT that we are 25 mill over the cap, I will stick with Claytons report of 11 mill, he is a more reliable source in my opinion than the douche bags at PFT”
February 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am
DHB’s 1st 2 season stats: 35 catches, 490 yards, and 2 TDs
McClain’s: 184 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 19 PDef, 1 Safety, and 1 INT.
Stop hating on Romac!!
February 29th, 2012 at 7:50 am
I am not a supporter of McClain anymore either, not for his on field play, but for his off field crap, but how do you replace him if you ADD 8.5 million to our cap problems by getting rid of him. It isn’t a fiscally sound move. Sometimes you are just stuck with a guy.
The situation with Routt is simple it saved us money to cut him (as reported by 100 sources the day he was cut). Now today, for the first time, we supposedly have an 11 million hit for Routt instead of a $5 mill hit? I don’t believe the report because it is unsubstantiated with any evidence or data to support it.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:52 am
McClain never seems to be in step with his teammates. When the team gathers in a big group just before te game he is usually off to the side. never ssn him lead a charge out of the tunnel like Ray lewis. i wonder how much he really cares sometimes…
February 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
fight fight fight fight
February 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
It’s getting close to Christmas time in the Raider family household. Mom and Pop are out of work and have been for years. Barely able to keep a roof and put food on the table. No money for xmas gifts, but the kids are still making lists of all the toys they MUST have. They know that in Christmas past, Mom and Dad have always found a way to put shiny presents under the tree. Judging from the look on Dad’s face, this may be the year when it all comes crashing down.
It’s looking like coal for everyone.
February 29th, 2012 at 7:53 am
You are all fixated on the 10 million difference
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10 million dollars is a HUGE difference. That is potentially 10 or more players. Our entire draft class didn’t cost 10 million last year! 10 million dollars is a LOT of money
I am not attacking you 1960, I am just saying, there isnt 10 different reports out there, there is one, and a whole bunch of copy cats. I guarantee if I got published in a paper saying I had sources to tell me the Raiders were UNDER the cap, there would be 10 different reports following it saying the same.
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I agree with your point but whether it is 10 or 25 million the indicators are the Raiders are still over the cap and to comply and then get under the cap they will have to do a lot of restructuring. Since the defense played so bad I expect the following cuts:
Routt – Already gone
Johnson
Huff – Maybe depending on re-structing
Eugene
Kelly
Wimbly
Henderson
5 of these guys were starters and the others were key rotational guys that is a lot of change!
February 29th, 2012 at 7:55 am
There are so many contracts that are out of line it can’t all be fixed in one offseason. They may have to keep a loser like McClain on the roster for a couple of years because of the cap hit they would take to cut him as BCZ pointed out. Other players may have to stay for a while simply because if cut, we still wouldn’t have room to sign a decent replacement.
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Dakota,
We’re paying $5-10 million (depending on the source) to Routt this year to NOT be a part of the team.
Reggie made this decision, not Al Davis.
Kam Wimbley may be cut and if thats the case we would be paying him $6.5 million in guaranteed money this season to get the BLEEP outta here.
You could go down the list and add Huff, Kelly, Curry, etc
Point is, Reggie McKenzie is gonna keep the players he wants to keep. Cut the ones he wants to cut. Restructure the ones that can be restructured.
Whats the cap hit to junk ROMAC next season? is it any better? I’m sure Reggie cant get rid of all the Al Davis dead money contracts in one offseason and still field a football team. I don’t buy it. We’re not saddled with any one underachieving player, just because Davis gave him a contract
February 29th, 2012 at 7:59 am
I am not a supporter of McClain anymore either, not for his on field play, but for his off field crap, but how do you replace him if you ADD 8.5 million to our cap problems by getting rid of him. It isn’t a fiscally sound move. Sometimes you are just stuck with a guy.
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BCZ,
see comment #142 @Dakota
February 29th, 2012 at 8:00 am
Restructuring is going to happen, there is no way around it, we are going to kick the can down the road a few years, and I am ok with that for 1 reason, after 2013 the cap is going to increase a great deal (reportedly by as much as 25 percent). We are going to have to play Al’s game for a few years, with some of the guys already here, while adding in new players with resonable contracts, weeding out the problem money. It isn’t going to happen all by march 13th this year.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Whats the cap hit to junk ROMAC next season? is it any better? I’m sure Reggie cant get rid of all the Al Davis dead money contracts in one offseason and still field a football team. I don’t buy it. We’re not saddled with any one underachieving player, just because Davis gave him a contract
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I disagree with you 100%. See comment 144. You aren’t going to be able to weed out these guys all at once and field a competitive team. Sure, we could cut all the dead weight and get 53 guys on the roster, but we wont be better than 4-12
February 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Rockstar,
Cutting Routt saved the team cap space. If there are other players who refuse to restructure or can be cut to save cap space, they will be. I agree with that.
But McKenzie has to play with the hand he has been dealt, and under the rules of the cap, so I am sure he can’t just cut any player he wants without there being cap consequences he has to factor in.
If we were under the cap, and had plenty of room to work with, I am sure we would see a ton of turnover, especially on defense, but that simply isn’t the case. Reggie will do what he can this year, and what he can in the following years to straighten out this mess.
Can’t fix overnight what took a decade to create.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:03 am
Cutting romac is really impatient.. He’s not that bad, and he’s cheap.. I guess we could pay him 8.5 mil to get a couple hundred tackles a year for someone else.. But why?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:05 am
146. Youve been making that same point for a week.. I think ppl just refuse to see the truth.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:08 am
144. Great point. We can kick the cap hit down the rd.. The cap will rise, and we’ll be fine. Like always. Money has never been an issue for the raiders. AL bad players and coaches were..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:12 am
Even if the report was true that the cap hit for Routt is 11 Mill, that is what we would have had to pay him to stay. That is the difference between him and a guy like Romac, who will COST 8.5 million MORE to cut than he will to keep.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:17 am
Bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:02 am
Whats the cap hit to junk ROMAC next season? is it any better? I’m sure Reggie cant get rid of all the Al Davis dead money contracts in one offseason and still field a football team. I don’t buy it. We’re not saddled with any one underachieving player, just because Davis gave him a contract
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I disagree with you 100%. See comment 144. You aren’t going to be able to weed out these guys all at once and field a competitive team. Sure, we could cut all the dead weight and get 53 guys on the roster, but we wont be better than 4-12
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We are not going to cut Rol McClain – He was one of the few players mentioned in a positive light by RM and DA.
We are probably going to cut the following on Def.
Routt (done), Johnson, Eugene, Kelly, Wimbly, Henderson, Maybe Huff, Maybe Curry as well as others that are more fringe players – that is enough change! We will probably see Boss and maybe Carlisle cut on offense. After next year, Seymour will not cost us 15 million which will help a lot going forward.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
150. Right.. I think romac slept with somebodys gf because wanting to cut him is just spiteful and weird.. It doest make any sense..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:19 am
Rock,
Believe me, I want McClain cut as much as you or anyone else who can see that the guy:
1. is lazy on and off the field
2. has off the field issues
3. doesn’t play smart
4. is too slow
But the reality is that he has a giant contract from his rookie year, which makes it cost prohibitive to cut him when we are tight up against the cap. He had a $23 million dollar bonus that was prorated which would be recaptured and count against the cap if we cut him this year.
Best we can hope for is that McKenzie empowers Allen to keep the douche bag off the field.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am
Raiders Needs – Steve Corkran Article
Check it out.
http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-02-20/oakland-raiders-offseason-plan-get-creative-plugging-holes
February 29th, 2012 at 8:20 am
We are probably going to cut the following on Def.
Routt (done), Johnson, Eugene, Kelly, Wimbly, Henderson, Maybe Huff, Maybe Curry as well as others that are more fringe players – that is enough change! We will probably see Boss and maybe Carlisle cut on offense. After next year, Seymour will not cost us 15 million which will help a lot going forward.
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We won’t cut that many guys. I’d bet we cut no more than 4 more guys (if I had to guess I would even say closer to 2), and we will restructure a bunch of contracts to make them fit in the cap.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:21 am
stupidity in here…cutting romac? Why so teblow can run all over the raiders again?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:23 am
152.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:18 am
150. Right.. I think romac slept with somebodys gf because wanting to cut him is just spiteful and weird.. It doest make any sense..
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How could you possibly watch McClain play and think that? How could you sit there and watch him quit on plays as soon as the runner is one step past him and think that is a guy I want on my team? How can you watch him get constantly eaten up by blockers and think, boy that guy really makes our defense good?
Seriously, ignore the meaningless tackle stats, and look how he actually plays. look at the effort he really gives. He has no heart.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:23 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 7:48 am
DHB’s 1st 2 season stats: 35 catches, 490 yards, and 2 TDs
McClain’s: 184 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 19 PDef, 1 Safety, and 1 INT.
Stop hating on Romac!!
February 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
McClain’s: 184 tackles, 5.5 sacks, 19 PDef, 1 Safety, and 1 INT.
zzzzzzzzzzz
Morrison had more tackles than him his first two years. Meaningless. At least Morrison played with a passion and dedication to his game.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
#155
It really depends on DA’s opinions on those players. I do not think Wimbely will restructure so he is gone. Henderson is old and really only worth vet minimum so he is gone. Johnson would have to come down to vet minimum I don’t think he will be back. I can’t see how Kelly works with a 3 man primary front and we need the money for FA’s. That is 4 strong possibilities right there.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Best we can hope for is that McKenzie empowers Allen to keep the douche bag off the field.
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Actually the best we can hope for is that Allen and Tarver get this guy to play up to his contract.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:26 am
I don’t like McClain’s off the field BS myself, but the thing that will get McClain cut is his on the field play. Just not impressed by this guys play at ILB. Does not have good hip movement, plays stiff in coverage. For someone wo studys the game does not seem to be a ball hound. Does not do a great job of fighting off blockers. I am just not sold on the kid.
But they are not going to cut him at his price tag, plus managment most likely want to see what they can salvage of his game. He is still young and may develop into a solid player, but right now I just don’t see it.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
You aren’t going to be able to weed out these guys all at once and field a competitive team. Sure, we could cut all the dead weight and get 53 guys on the roster, but we wont be better than 4-12
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@BCZ
you’re actually proving my point. Keeping ROMAC doesn’t make us better than 4-12
he’s not helping us win football games. he doesn’t make us a more competitive team. he’s not an impact player!
February 29th, 2012 at 8:27 am
Romac’s production in his 1st seasons in the NFL > DHB’s production, but people want to keep DHB due to his work ethic!
You People…..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
Cutting ROMAC less probable than tagging Bush! unless there is another off field incident.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:28 am
I do not think Wimbely will restructure so he is gone. Henderson is old and really only worth vet minimum so he is gone. Johnson would have to come down to vet minimum I don’t think he will be back. I can’t see how Kelly works with a 3 man primary front and we need the money for FA’s. That is 4 strong possibilities right there.
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I agree with Wimbley, I don’t see Johnson refusing to restructure, he isn’t going to have a market, and the Raiders have been great to him, Henderson I agree will be cut, but I think he will retire, and the savings to cut Kelly is less than 2 mil if I remember correctly. Not saying it wont happen, but Kelly is thought of in a much higher regard by NFL people than he is be Raider fans.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
157. tackle stats are not meaningless.. If he got 184 tacs without chasing anybody who gets a step on him, then id say he has some upside..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:30 am
161.bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:25 am
Best we can hope for is that McKenzie empowers Allen to keep the douche bag off the field.
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Actually the best we can hope for is that Allen and Tarver get this guy to play up to his contract.
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Well sure, but I like looking at realistic goals lol.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:31 am
And now we compare Morrison to McClain?!
What’s next Dakota?
Should we compare Bush to DMAC? Bush had more yards this season than DMAC?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
167.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:29 am
157. tackle stats are not meaningless.. If he got 184 tacs without chasing anybody who gets a step on him, then id say he has some upside..
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Morrison had 192 tackles his first two years….so what? Was he the answer?
McClain doesn’t shed blockers, and he has bad insticts and no speed or hustle to make up for it….so he will never be a MLB worth that contract. If he was making 1/5th of what he is making, it wouldn’t be as much of an issue. But you have to factor in a guys contract when thinking about his worth to the team.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Morrison was a 3rd round pick from SDSU. McClain is a top 10 pick who has only played 2 NFL seasons with 2 different DCs, and 2 different HCs.
You People thought Morrison was fine, and the problem was the DL & scheme. Now the problem is McClain?!
You People…
February 29th, 2012 at 8:38 am
170. Again for the 1000th time… Romac will make less than condo this yr.. It will only save money if we cut him next year.. There is no point to cutting him.. Its like cutting off your nose cause you have a zit..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:38 am
Bush had more yards than DMAC this season. Is he better than DMAC?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am
I think romac slept with somebodys gf because wanting to cut him is just spiteful and weird.. It doest make any sense..
stupidity in here…cutting romac? Why so teblow can run all over the raiders again?
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is this where the blog is headed?
I want to cut an unproductive player and McClain must have slept with my gf? on that maturity note, I’m going to assume you’re giving him BJ’s in exchange for autographs and thats your reasoning behind backing him.
second point, McClain’s run defense has been TERRIBLE the past two years. Saying he’s an asset in that regard is beyond “stupid”
February 29th, 2012 at 8:39 am
171.Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:34 am
Morrison was a 3rd round pick from SDSU. McClain is a top 10 pick who has only played 2 NFL seasons with 2 different DCs, and 2 different HCs.
You People thought Morrison was fine, and the problem was the DL & scheme. Now the problem is McClain?!
You People…
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Raider O, if you want to make excuses for a guy who quits on plays, go for it.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am
And romac isnt slow.. He just has no instincts in the 4-3. He is a ilb..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:40 am
Bush doesn’t have injury problems like DMAC, so should we keep Bush and trade DMAC?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am
Romac will make less than condo this yr
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Mark,
False. a player’s salary is not how much money he’s taking home. Ever heard of a bonus?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:41 am
romac isnt slow.. He just has no instincts
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LOL!!
February 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Dakota, if you want to keep making excuses for an injury prone player who quits on his team, go for it.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
174. I never insulted you or called romac an asset..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:43 am
RaiderO,
Comparing a guy who had an injury to a guy who has no heart or work ethic is about as ignorant a thing as I have seen in this blog. You are better than that. If McFadden, or DHB for that matter, were lazy pieces of schyt like McClain, I would be the first to call them out.
McClain has to go. The cap will keep him here for another season, but that doesn’t mean it is good fior the team.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:43 am
178. I dont care about a bonus that doesnt hurt our cap #..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:44 am
the best we can hope for is that Allen and Tarver get this guy to play up to his contract
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Agreed with BCZ
February 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
you’re actually proving my point. Keeping ROMAC doesn’t make us better than 4-12
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How am I proving your point, you have repeatedly said we will cut all these guys AND win the division.
I disagree with you about McClain as well. He certainly hasn’t played up to his contract, but he is better than you give him credit for.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:45 am
179. Read his 40 time.. He is fast enough when he doest have to pick an angle or fight off a block.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:46 am
I dont care about a bonus that doesnt hurt our cap #..
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@Mark
bonus money doesn’t count towards the cap? LOL!
cut the whole defense then !!
February 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
184. exactly. If DA and Tarver cant improve his play and attitude then he’ll be gone when it wont cost us 8.5 against the cap..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
180.Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:42 am
Dakota, if you want to keep making excuses for an injury prone player who quits on his team, go for it.
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So, you think McFadden quit on his team huh? When was that? When he suffered a lisfranc injury that requires about a twelve week recovery time? Not sure how that is quitting on a team, but hey, you go ahead and bag on a guy who works his azz off and is our most talented player, while defending a POS lazy one in McClain.
That’s it! You are dead to me!
lol
February 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Dakota,
You completely missed the point. I thought you were smarter than that.
My point: neither player has lived up to the hype of being a top 10 pick. DMAC had his injuries, and Romac struggled his first 2 seasons. I don’t know exactly why Romac is having so many problems, but just like you, I’m not willing to cut him just yet due to his potential.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:49 am
I disagree with you about McClain as well. He certainly hasn’t played up to his contract, but he is better than you give him credit for
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BCZ not a fan of ROMAC = Black Ricky Brown?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:50 am
172.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:38 am
170. Again for the 1000th time… Romac will make less than condo this yr.. It will only save money if we cut him next year.. There is no point to cutting him.. Its like cutting off your nose cause you have a zit..
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Yes, McClain’s will make less than Condo this year, but he still accounts for 5.57 million towards the cap. McClain got a $23 million signing bonus which counts $4.6 mill against the cap every year for the life of the deal. So while saying McClain will make less than Condo this year is technically true, it isn’t accurate information.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:51 am
If DA and Tarver cant improve his play and attitude then he’ll be gone when it wont cost us 8.5 against the cap
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Mark (and other ROMAC apologists)
what if these guys spend April thru August with him and determine he’s a p.o.s.?
still stuck with him?
when wont it cost us money to cut him?
when is it acceptable in your eyes?
after his contact terms?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:51 am
So, you think McFadden quit on his team huh?
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LOL
Only when I’m trying to make a point.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:52 am
Btw, wasn’t McClain injured this season?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:54 am
188.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:47 am
184. exactly. If DA and Tarver cant improve his play and attitude then he’ll be gone when it wont cost us 8.5 against the cap..
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Cutting McClain wont cost us 8.5 mill towards the cap, it will cost us almost 14 mill towards the cap, which is 8.5 million MORE than he will cost to retain, which is the where that figure came from.
Next year McClain will cost us 6.2 million towards the cap, OR about 10 million if we cut him, so it may not even be feasible to cut him then either, depending on the cap situation, and his play this year.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:54 am
He is fast enough when he doest have to pick an angle or fight off a block.
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@Mark
ROMAC is only a good player when nobody accounts for him and he goes unblocked? is that really your point?
bwahahahahahaha
February 29th, 2012 at 8:55 am
190.Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:48 am
Dakota,
You completely missed the point. I thought you were smarter than that.
My point: neither player has lived up to the hype of being a top 10 pick. DMAC had his injuries, and Romac struggled his first 2 seasons. I don’t know exactly why Romac is having so many problems, but just like you, I’m not willing to cut him just yet due to his potential.
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In my mind, if a guy is suffering from thing out of his control, then that is less of an evil than a guy who chooses not to keep his body in shape, and chooses to give 100% on the field, and who chooses to put himself in bad spots off the field that hurt his team.
Sorry, but there is a tremendous difference between those two players. McClain is the new Jamarcus Russell. Fat, lazy, stupid and just cashing a check.
McFadden, and DHB, those guys are nothing like that.
I still doubt DHB, I think he still has problems with his hands, but he has shown me that he can improve himself. He has been a hard working fool since day one. I see no sign of that in McClain’s actions.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Next year McClain will cost us 6.2 million towards the cap, OR about 10 million if we cut him, so it may not even be feasible to cut him then either
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@BCZ
ROMAC is on the scholarship program. Gotcha. just as I suspected. thanks for clearing that up
February 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
192. that is not the info ive been reading.. I have read that his 23 is his no matter what, and if we cut him, its no longer prorated. Thus forcing us to give an 8.5 mil buyout..
February 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
Rolando is going to lead the team with 125+ tackles and our run defense will be the best it has been in years.
Print that!!
February 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
In my mind, if a guy is suffering from thing out of his control, then that is less of an evil than a guy who chooses not to keep his body in shape, and chooses NOT to give 100% on the field, and who chooses to put himself in bad spots off the field that hurt his team.
Sorry, but there is a tremendous difference between those two players. McClain is the new Jamarcus Russell. Fat, lazy, stupid and just cashing a check.
McFadden, and DHB, those guys are nothing like that.
I still doubt DHB, I think he still has problems with his hands, but he has shown me that he can improve himself. He has been a hard working fool since day one. I see no sign of that in McClain’s actions.
February 29th, 2012 at 8:58 am
hey guys, Sam Williams is a BEAST on defense when he doesnt have to pick an angle or fight off a block!
mind if we pay the man $40 million?
February 29th, 2012 at 8:59 am
I never heard anything that suggests McClain has a bad work ethic, or that he is stupid.
According to our coaches, McClain is a hard worker. And according to his college coach, he is the smarted kid he ever coached.
I will take their view over yours since they are more qualified.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
197. Haha no.. Im not saying hes good at all.. Im saying he isnt slow..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
2. Wide receiver. Darrius Heyward-Bey enjoyed a breakout season last year after two disappointing seasons to begin his NFL career. Rookie Denarius Moore was a revelation despite being a fifth-round draft pick. Second-year player Jacoby Ford gives the Raiders another speedy, big-play option. Even so, none can be considered a legitimate No. 1 receiver just yet.
Read more: http://aol.sportingnews.com/nfl/story/2012-02-20/oakland-raiders-offseason-plan-get-creative-plugging-holes#ixzz1nn68LhaG
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The article is OK but BS on Moore not being a legit #1. The dude is special and he’d be a #1 on any of the other 31 teams and if he isn’t the #1 on the Raiders, he will be before long or something is really the matter with this club. Moore is legit and the real deal. Get ova it.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:00 am
our run defense will be the best it has been in years.
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JFB,
we have McKenzie, Allen & Tarver this year instead of Davis, Jackson & Bresnahan …
not exactly a MIND BLOWING prediction
our Run Defense is going to be much better with or without that turd wearing #55
February 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
199.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:56 am
Next year McClain will cost us 6.2 million towards the cap, OR about 10 million if we cut him, so it may not even be feasible to cut him then either
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@BCZ
ROMAC is on the scholarship program. Gotcha. just as I suspected. thanks for clearing that up
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Hey, sometimes a new Dean takes over, but is forced to live with the scholarships handed out by the previous insane Dean who held on to his job about a decade too long.
McClain will be pulled off the field as soon as Allen sees his lazy azz jogging after plays lol, AND when the new Dean has the room under the cap to take the hit releasing the douche will cause.
Patience young Jedi!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
203. Start reading my posts b4 commenting on them k..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:01 am
I still doubt DHB, I think he still has problems with his hands, but he has shown me that he can improve himself. He has been a hard working fool since day one. I see no sign of that in McClain’s actions.
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Totally agreed. We all respect DHB, and if he goes on to have a mediocre career in Oakland we will all love the guy because we works his ass off to be the best he can be.
Imagine if the new regime can get that out of McClain. He may never be Ray Lewis or Pat Willis (lets be honest, there aren’t a lot of those guys around) but if he puts in the work he will be better than average.
I agree with a lot of other guys, I think McClain has too much potential at 22 years old to simply assume he will never get better. Guys grow up, hopefully the discipline the new regime brings will coax that out of McClain. If not, if he is still a complete knucklehead next year, pay the 10 mill to get rid of him.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:03 am
Who knows, maybe McClain is one of those guys who will react well to a HC who will not put up with his BS? Maybe McClain will change his ways with the proper motivation under Allen. That is what I hope will happen.
I just am not going to hold my breath.
Right now, McKenzie and Allen are painted into a corner with the guy and are forced to see if they can make something of him, otherwise he would have been gone already as an example to the other players that you can’t get away with being a lazy pos.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:07 am
Romac can grow up or not. I dont care.. My point is we cant throw 8.5 out the window and expect to improve our team.. 8.5 can bring in a nice player or 2.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:08 am
Here’s a group of defensive free agents that I think Reggie targets due to their expected salary being middle-to-low and some have ties to McKenzie, Allen & Tarver:
DT-Marcus Thomas(Den)
DT-Broderick Bunkley(Den)
DT-Amobi Okoye(Chi)
DT-CJ Mosley(Jax)
DE-Adam Carriker(Was)
LB-Dan Connor(Car)
LB-Marvin Mitchell(Mia)
LB-Wesley Woodyard(Den)
LB-Joe Mays(Den)
LB-Larry Grant(SF)
CB-Jarrett Bush(GB)
CB-Steve Gregory(SD)
CB-Corey Graham(Chi)
CB-Richard Marshall(Arz)
CB-Tracy Porter(NO)
Looking forward to the revamped defense!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
200.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
192. that is not the info ive been reading.. I have read that his 23 is his no matter what, and if we cut him, its no longer prorated. Thus forcing us to give an 8.5 mil buyout..
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The 23 mill IS his. Here is how it works: 23 mill signing bonus paid immediately to McClain. He has the money already. The cap hit is prorated over the 5 years of the contract (23/5 = 4.6 mil) so the cap hit each year for McClains bonus is 4.6 mill. There are 3 years left on his deal (’12, ‘13, ‘14). If he is cut today the prorated bonus accelerates meaning we owe it all right now (towards the cap) 4.6 X 3 = 13.8 mill. That is his cap hit if he is cut. His salary this year is $970k so keeping him equates to a cap cost of 5.57 mill. That is why the figure a cost of 8.5 mil to cost romac is being thrown about, because it will cost (roughly) 8.5 mill MORE to cut him than it would to keep him
Get it now?
February 29th, 2012 at 9:10 am
Nice post carl
February 29th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Bcz = Salary Cap Expert
Get over it!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:11 am
Cut ‘em all!!!!!
Wimbley, Curry, McClain, Huff, Seymour, Kelly!
Damn the cap consequences!
I really wish we could.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:14 am
Looks like Moss is coming back to Oakland:
http://media1.break.com/dnet/media/2008/6/11jun24-big-ups-to-moss-fans.jpg
February 29th, 2012 at 9:15 am
214. Thanks. My opinion is still the same though.. The cost to cut him is steep, the cost to see what happins, not so bad.. If his hit becomes 13.8, then he’ll hurt us..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:18 am
Dakota, I can’t open that at work…I hope youre joking!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:20 am
Make sure you open it when you get home Hwnrdr.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Thanks. My opinion is still the same though.. The cost to cut him is steep, the cost to see what happins, not so bad.. If his hit becomes 13.8, then he’ll hurt us..
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I wasn’t disputing your opinion. In fact I am the first guy in here to post these #s to show that it was prohibitively expensive to cut McClain. I was explaining to you the actual cost of it, so you didn’t think it would cost us 8.5 mil to cut him, when in reality it is 13.8 mil. Just trying to make sure you are quoting accurate information friend.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:22 am
Cut ‘em all!!!!!
Wimbley, Curry, McClain, Huff, Seymour, Kelly!
Damn the cap consequences!
I really wish we could.
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I’m so glad you have zero influence on the org.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:23 am
Thanks, print it and check back in 3-4 weeks!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
222. I get you. I just meant it was 8.5 extra
February 29th, 2012 at 9:24 am
I never heard anything that suggests McClain has a bad work ethic, or that he is stupid.
According to our coaches, McClain is a hard worker. And according to his college coach, he is the smarted kid he ever coached.
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He may not be stupid, but he sure does a lot of stupid things. Like giving up his gap to take on a lineman (which was Morrison’s problem too.) Like not shedding a block. Like guessing WRONG on which gap the RB will go through over and over and over and over. I hope it was all coaching that these things could not be corrected… if he continues doing it… we will know if he is stupid or not… I am not holding my breath.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am
Hwnrdr,
It has nothing to do with Moss coming to Oakland, but I would still open it if I was you.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:25 am
i just copied the link and sent it to my gmail…hopefully I can watch it on my phone…
February 29th, 2012 at 9:26 am
Oh….lol, I sen that one before! Good one Dakota!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:27 am
Im sure we’ll find lots of interesting ways of getting under the cap without losing half the team.. I dont even belive we’re really 25 mil over..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Let’s be real, Cable & Marshall, and Hue/ Chucky/ and Biekert were his NFL coaches.
I think he had a better coaching staff at Alabama, and he was surrounded with more talent at college. Look at all those defensive players from Alabama being projected as 1st round talent.
LBs
OLBs
DE/ DT/ NT
CBs
SS
FS
February 29th, 2012 at 9:29 am
Here’s another one of Moss
http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2411/1648501604_46655642dd.jpg
February 29th, 2012 at 9:32 am
Let’s be real, Cable & Marshall, and Hue/ Chucky/ and Biekert were his NFL coaches.
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you’re absolving Mike Haluchak & Rickey Hunley of any blame ???
you’re a sweet guy, O.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
Let’s be real, Cable & Marshall, and Hue/ Chucky/ and Biekert were his NFL coaches.
I think he had a better coaching staff at Alabama, and he was surrounded with more talent at college. Look at all those defensive players from Alabama being projected as 1st round talent.
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Nick Saban sucked at coaching in the NFL. Guys don’t respond to ballbusting the same way in the pros. Let’s just imagine a scenario where RoMac is acting up. What does coach Allen do about it? Cut him and load the cap figure? He can’t do that. He’s gotta carry him. In college, coach Saban can cut him if he wanted to. It’s not a fair comparison.
And the national championship Alabama team couldn’t go toe-to-toe with the worst NFL team on any given Sunday.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:35 am
@ Raider O
if Chuck B gets all the blame for McClain … he gets all the credit for Branch
he held ROMAC back, but made Tyvon a Top 5 NFL Safety ???
February 29th, 2012 at 9:41 am
Highest cap figure. You’d think this was a super bowl team. Sure glad Reggie’s changing it to where this is no longer the place for an easy pay day.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
you’re absolving Mike Haluchak & Rickey Hunley of any blame ???
if Chuck B gets all the blame for McClain … he gets all the credit for Branch
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Don’t put words in my mouth dude. I didn’t say we should blame Chucky for everything that us wrong with McClain.
Show me one post that indicated we should put all the blame on Chucky.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Branch a top 5 safety?
Maybe top five on the Raiders lol.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:42 am
Top 5?
February 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Very good interview with Carson Palmer just now. Maybe when Steve wakes up he can post the transcript.
Did anyone know that he’s been getting together with some WR’s, TE’s and backs already this offseason? Haven’t seen it posted around here.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:44 am
RR,
Twisting other posters’ words is not a good habit. I think you had a similar problem this morning.
You can argue your point without doing that.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:46 am
O,
If you make a list of guys who coached ROMAC and leave a few guys off of there, i’m going to ASSUME they aren’t guilty in your opinion …
you wouldn’t make a list of coaches without knowing who some of his coaches were, would you?
February 29th, 2012 at 9:47 am
240. Thanks carl, its good to hear cp3 is putting in the work. And no, steve wont post a transcript. He’ll missunderstand what was said in the interveiw and write something irrelevant..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
240.Carl Weathers Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Very good interview with Carson Palmer just now. Maybe when Steve wakes up he can post the transcript.
Did anyone know that he’s been getting together with some WR’s, TE’s and backs already this offseason? Haven’t seen it posted around here.
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I knew he would do that! Awesome!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:50 am
“Cable & Marshall, and Hue/ Chucky/ and Biekert were his NFL coaches.
I think he had a better coaching staff at Alabama”
no twisting required.
Attn: ROMAC apologists
I encourage you to make a blame chart or scale to pair with the excuses. Thank you
February 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am
If you make a list of guys who coached ROMAC and leave a few guys off of there, i’m going to ASSUME they aren’t guilty in your opinion …
you wouldn’t make a list of coaches without knowing who some of his coaches were, would you?
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I listed 3 coaches. Hue, Chucky, and Biekert. I also listed his prev coaches from the ore season, but don’t let that stop you.
You can read simple English correct?
Read this:
“Let’s be real, Cable & Marshall, and Hue/ Chucky/ and Biekert were his NFL coaches”
February 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am
the blame for scholorship players goes to AL D..
February 29th, 2012 at 9:52 am
[...] on which source you believe, the Raiders are either $11-million over the cap figure or a healthy $25-million [...]
February 29th, 2012 at 9:53 am
RRS has become quite fond of putting words in peoples mouths lately. I would say it is his worst character flaw.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
The bottom line is we are stuck with Romac. I am of the opinion thta Allen is going to be able to coach him up and bring out his full potential. I think the D’s overall attitude and performance is going tp improve. The guys gotta know they sucked and they gotta want to change and improve.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
244.Dakota Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
240.Carl Weathers Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Very good interview with Carson Palmer just now. Maybe when Steve wakes up he can post the transcript.
Did anyone know that he’s been getting together with some WR’s, TE’s and backs already this offseason? Haven’t seen it posted around here.
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I knew he would do that! Awesome!
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Isn’t he a quitter and a cry baby, and don’t the players hate him because JC was the man? Where is mistic when you need him.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
February 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
Does anyone think we will trade into the 1st rd like some are saying? I wouldnt be shocked, but I dont think we’ll go that way.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
the blame for scholorship players (like ROMAC) goes to AL D..
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Mark,
even if the scholarship continues under a new regime?
February 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:54 am
244.Dakota Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:49 am
240.Carl Weathers Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:43 am
Very good interview with Carson Palmer just now. Maybe when Steve wakes up he can post the transcript.
Did anyone know that he’s been getting together with some WR’s, TE’s and backs already this offseason? Haven’t seen it posted around here.
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I knew he would do that! Awesome!
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Isn’t he a quitter and a cry baby, and don’t the players hate him because JC was the man? Where is mistic when you need him.
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You forgot one….DIVA
Certainly doesn’t seem like DIVA behavior to put in time with your teammates during down time.
February 29th, 2012 at 9:58 am
RRS has become quite fond of putting words in peoples mouths lately. I would say it is his worst character flaw.
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Don’t forget bout indirect insults.
Btw RR, my filth is still posted on the previous threads. lol
February 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Dakota, thanks for #218!!! Thats the ONLY way a Raiders Moss jersey looks good!! Those gals really cl-ASS it up!! I have one hanging in my closet collecting dust…
February 29th, 2012 at 10:00 am
Thursday, March 15 — FS Michael Huff’s $4-million roster bonus reportedly due.
Saturday, March 17 — LB Kamerion Wimbley’s $11-million base salary reportedly becomes guaranteed.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I see some talk of trading to get into the first round..
Who do you think could/should be traded??
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
254. Yes. Thats what scholorship means. We’re stuck with him, so the new regime better coach him up and motivate him.. Im praying for a Vernon Davis type of maturation..
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think it’s OK for many to dislike and critisize some players on this org.
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I listed 3 coaches. Hue, Chucky, and Biekert.
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O,
nobody EVER mentions Biekert on this blog – positive or negative. It’s like he doesn’t (or didn’t) exist. Nobody said anything about him when we hired Holland as his replacement either.
Hue gets a pass for the Defense by most on this blog.
99 % of bloggers in here blame Al Davis and/or Chuck B. You listed Chuck so I rolled with it
Is that unfair?
If I offended you, many apologies.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:03 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:57 am
Morning/afternoon peoples!
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Well then………..
FK u guys 2 on this beautiful, wet morning!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:05 am
RRS has become quite fond of putting words in peoples mouths lately. I would say it is his worst character flaw.
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Don’t forget bout indirect insults.
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LOL, thanks fellas. I can feel the love
P.S. you guys dont need to talk about me while i’m here
Can’t you wait until I log off at 3pm PST ???
perhaps on a weekend?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
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@DMAC
who does that?
re-sign Kirk Morrison & JLH!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think it’s OK for many to dislike and critisize some players on this org.
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
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I get what you are saying. I agree. Is there some sort of special kudo given out for being right about your player and you are president of the (insert favorite player) fanclub?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
RR,
You don’t offend me anymore bro. I think I got used to it.
No need for apologies between us. We go way back.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:07 am
you are president of the (insert favorite player) fanclub
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G123,
I am President of the Terrelle Pryor fan club.
prepare to eat dirt, suckas!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:08 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
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@DMAC
who does that?
re-sign Kirk Morrison & JLH!
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I read it all the time on this blog.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
Upgrades all around. We’re goin to the Super Bowl.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
RR,
LOL
It’s no fun when you are not around.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
guest123 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think it’s OK for many to dislike and critisize some players on this org.
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
*******
I get what you are saying. I agree. Is there some sort of special kudo given out for being right about your player and you are president of the (insert favorite player) fanclub?
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Exactly!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:10 am
You don’t offend me anymore bro. I think I got used to it.
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I knew you weren’t that sensitive.
Frantz Joseph > McCrohns!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
I will never get the love for TP. I am not the president of the anti-TP. TP is pretty important stuff to have around, especially in the woods. But if we can trade him for value, I’m in.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Thats why I always offer a great prize to winners on the blog!
An autographed Blackstock photo!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:11 am
Post 258
Thanks for some factual information.
Bloody shame we have to scour the comments rather than the reporter’s article, to find useful information.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:13 am
RR,
Exactly. We have been chatting for a long time.
I have said some real stupid sh.. Including “F Joseph is the next Ray Lewis”
I must have been real high, WTF was I thinking.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:15 am
It would so great if tp turns out to be a player. His mesurables are so good.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I’m reading this ol’ school book on Jim Plunkett and it talks about the best college players meeting the professional champions in a pre-season game.
When did they stop having these games?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think it’s OK for many to dislike and critisize some players on this org.
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
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so so true!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:17 am
277. Lol. I dont even remember f.joesph
February 29th, 2012 at 10:19 am
279.DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:16 am
I’m reading this ol’ school book on Jim Plunkett and it talks about the best college players meeting the professional champions in a pre-season game.
When did they stop having these games?
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When football because a business, and the #1 revenue generating sport in the world.
Could you imagine if Aaron Rodgers blew out his ACL playing against the college all star team.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
*became, not because
February 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Good morning/afternoon to my fellow Raider fans!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:20 am
Good morning/afternoon to my fellow Raider fans!
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Fine, piss on the whole lot of you!
And trade DMAC!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC
you are so correct. Even when Ja Marcus was struggling an look to be a failure I rooted fir him an hoped oneday the light would come on.
But it never happened. I wish all players well
becuz if not then y am I a fan.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:22 am
Thanx for the response Bcz24
February 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am
259. I think trading into the 1st would cost us Dmac and a 1st or 2nd next yr.. Im not into trading for a 1st..
February 29th, 2012 at 10:23 am
MH,
F Joseph was an undrafted rookie FA ILB that we signed a few years back, and I made that ignorant statement. I remember he was a good guy (took care of his family), and he was my “Rudy”.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC,
Do you have to be so nice the entire time? Stop saying good morning. It makes me feel guilty when I forget to respond. lol
February 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
289. We all have our favs..
February 29th, 2012 at 10:26 am
r8dercain Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:21 am
DMAC
you are so correct. Even when Ja Marcus was struggling an look to be a failure I rooted fir him an hoped oneday the light would come on.
But it never happened. I wish all players well
becuz if not then y am I a fan.
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I feel you man.
I can’t fk’n stand TK, but I want him to become that overall player and help stop the run. I don’t want him to play horrible, just so that I can come here to brag about it.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:27 am
Dakota,
if things are slow at work today why don’t you make a pie chart of various names like Romac, Wimbley, Seymour, Huff etc.and then pin a spinnable arrow into the center of it. When you get home have Long Worthy give the arrow a whirl to determine who gets cut.(pie slices can be rated in size by cap hit and there should also be a slice that reads ‘All’).
Post Long Worthy’s results to ReggieMc.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:28 am
Could you imagine if Aaron Rodgers blew out his ACL playing against the college all star team
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Could you imagine if Aaron Rodgers was traded to the raiders for Randy Moss and undisclosed draft pick?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just like to give an early endorsement…
I+(heart)+Richard Gordon…
February 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Could you imagine if Aaron Rodgers was traded to the raiders for Randy Moss and undisclosed draft pick?
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I could imagine that it would have taken quite the handul of tissues to clean up the mess I would have made.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
I wish we could get a tarver interview, id love some insight into what we’ll be doing next yr..
February 29th, 2012 at 10:32 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:09 am
guest123 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:06 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:02 am
I think it’s OK for many to dislike and critisize some players on this org.
I think its pretty stupid to root for players to fail, only to come to this blog and try to earn their stripes and say, “I told you so”
*******
I get what you are saying. I agree. Is there some sort of special kudo given out for being right about your player and you are president of the (insert favorite player) fanclub?
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Exactly!
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Leave Mistic out of this.
Ok, don’t.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC,
Do you have to be so nice the entire time? Stop saying good morning. It makes me feel guilty when I forget to respond. lol
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Sorry O Dog, but that’s the type of dude I am.
I can’t stand people, that you see on a constant bases and don’t even acknowledge you when your standing right next to them. I sometimes purposely say “good morning” out loud.
I guess you can say I’m a friendly, down to earth type of dude.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:38 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:31 am
Just like to give an early endorsement…
I+(heart)+Richard Gordon…
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I+(heart)+Lamar Houston (should be playing his natural position)
February 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Mornin
February 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
Bcz,
LOL
I remember rumors about that trade. Supposedly GB wanted Moss and a high draft pick, but Al refused, or Al wanted the trade and they refused. I’m not sure.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:39 am
What up Mark’s cool ass hair cut!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:41 am
I think houston could be a great fit as a 3/4 end too.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:41 am
bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 9:09 am
200.Marks hair Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 8:57 am
192. that is not the info ive been reading.. I have read that his 23 is his no matter what, and if we cut him, its no longer prorated. Thus forcing us to give an 8.5 mil buyout..
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The 23 mill IS his. Here is how it works: 23 mill signing bonus paid immediately to McClain. He has the money already. The cap hit is prorated over the 5 years of the contract (23/5 = 4.6 mil) so the cap hit each year for McClains bonus is 4.6 mill. There are 3 years left on his deal (’12, ‘13, ‘14). If he is cut today the prorated bonus accelerates meaning we owe it all right now (towards the cap) 4.6 X 3 = 13.8 mill. That is his cap hit if he is cut. His salary this year is $970k so keeping him equates to a cap cost of 5.57 mill. That is why the figure a cost of 8.5 mil to cost romac is being thrown about, because it will cost (roughly) 8.5 mill MORE to cut him than it would to keep him
Get it now?
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Sucks when you basically are stuck with a guy because paying a players 970K salary and keeping the marginal player is better than absorbing the accelerated hit.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@DMAC
Might be a stupid question, but what does Lamar Houston play in a 3-4?
Lamar Houston is a natural 3-tech?
Warren Sapp was a natural 3-tech, but didn’t fit in a 3-4?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
299.DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC,
Do you have to be so nice the entire time? Stop saying good morning. It makes me feel guilty when I forget to respond. lol
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Sorry O Dog, but that’s the type of dude I am.
I can’t stand people, that you see on a constant bases and don’t even acknowledge you when your standing right next to them. I sometimes purposely say “good morning” out loud.
I guess you can say I’m a friendly, down to earth type of dude.
I agree! I’m that way too! Don’t like it when people think their sh!t don’t stink…and I let them know too!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:43 am
DMAC,
I don’t like that. Those people are not allowed to be members of the Green Party.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:44 am
Sup. got the day off, still getting hi
February 29th, 2012 at 10:45 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
@DMAC
Might be a stupid question, but what does Lamar Houston play in a 3-4?
Lamar Houston is a natural 3-tech?
Warren Sapp was a natural 3-tech, but didn’t fit in a 3-4?
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I see Lamar more as a run stuffer.
As Mark suggested, Lamar could play end in a 3-4.
I fk’n luv his motor, he just doesn’t get to the QB often.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Houston can play DE, when we play 3-4. I wouldn’t be that surprised if he was playing DT/ NT too.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:46 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:43 am
DMAC,
I don’t like that. Those people are not allowed to be members of the Green Party.
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Who’s our candidate for the president election?
The playa patna O Dog?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:47 am
hwnrdr Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:42 am
299.DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:34 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:25 am
DMAC,
Do you have to be so nice the entire time? Stop saying good morning. It makes me feel guilty when I forget to respond. lol
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Sorry O Dog, but that’s the type of dude I am.
I can’t stand people, that you see on a constant bases and don’t even acknowledge you when your standing right next to them. I sometimes purposely say “good morning” out loud.
I guess you can say I’m a friendly, down to earth type of dude.
I agree! I’m that way too! Don’t like it when people think their sh!t don’t stink…and I let them know too!
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exactly!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
306. Your right, but houston has proven he is a better end than sapp. Taller faster.. If we play multiple fronts I see him as a 3 tech in the 4-3 or an end in the 3-4
February 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I think houston could be a great fit as a 3/4 end too.
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Yeah I could see a future with Houston+Bryant+stud NT being our core D-line.(?)
February 29th, 2012 at 10:49 am
I know everyone isn’t happy go lucky at work, but at least a head nod, a slight grin or something to acknowledge you, but it’s all good.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:49 am
Lamar Houston was considered a DT at the combine and had the fastest 40 time for a DT!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:51 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:48 am
I think houston could be a great fit as a 3/4 end too.
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Yeah I could see a future with Houston+Bryant+stud NT being our core D-line.(?)
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Soali???
That would be pretty nasty.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Who’s our candidate for the president election?
The playa patna O Dog?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I used to think so, but I think you are a better candidate.
I don’t want to change things anymore. All I want is my share of the pie before we it all.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The new management is going to lead the Oakland Raiders to the super bowl. Sell outs will continue. Palmer to Moore will be the new Montana to Rice. D is going to be mean and filthy. The late Mr Davis will be proud. His legacy will continue. Code Black!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Houston doesnt have the prototypical size to play NT in a 34, but neither does Kyle Williams in Buffalo, and he was a pro bowler before his injury.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Soliai is my dream fa pick up
February 29th, 2012 at 10:53 am
Garlic Fries Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The new management is going to lead the Oakland Raiders to the super bowl. Sell outs will continue. Palmer to Moore will be the new Montana to Rice. D is going to be mean and filthy. The late Mr Davis will be proud. His legacy will continue. Code Black!
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You know it.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
I saw Sapp more as a pass rusher.
I see Houston more as a run stuffer.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:54 am
Did we give a contract extension to Carlisle yet?
February 29th, 2012 at 10:55 am
O,
Joseph signed with the Spokane Shock of the Arena Football League on September 29, 2011 -WIKI
FJ is still playing football busting heads!
February 29th, 2012 at 10:55 am
Raider O Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
Who’s our candidate for the president election?
The playa patna O Dog?
$$$$$$$$$$$$
I used to think so, but I think you are a better candidate.
I don’t want to change things anymore. All I want is my share of the pie before we it all.
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If I run I need a solid vice-president candidate.
O Dog?
lol
February 29th, 2012 at 10:56 am
325 nope
February 29th, 2012 at 10:58 am
Garlic Fries Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 10:52 am
The new management is going to lead the Oakland Raiders to the super bowl. Sell outs will continue. Palmer to Moore will be the new Montana to Rice. D is going to be mean and filthy. The late Mr Davis will be proud. His legacy will continue. Code Black!
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FK Joe and Jerry!
More like Stabler/Plunkett to Branch.
February 29th, 2012 at 10:59 am
326. Great research.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:01 am
El Camino should have won album of the yr.. suk on that for a while.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:03 am
@RaiderRockstar
Were you shocked that the gun used in the school shooting was a 22?
10 shots, 3 deaths, crazy…
February 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
@Dutch
that was Raider O’s nephew, no?
poor #Ohio
February 29th, 2012 at 11:05 am
Those 22 bullets are pretty dangerous. Once they get into you, they like to dance around inside and cause major damage.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Frantz Joseph lol!
Here’s an update for ya, John Bowie was signed by the Cincinnati Bengals practice squad on November 16, 2011.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Haha Knapp fired up? That post was pure comedy? He specifically mentions Palmer and Carlisle? Two losers! Just use this year as one of rebuilding and cleaning all the excess schit out of Oakland…..I’ll go to the games and party it up because the playoffs will not happen.
And to all yall jcats who been telling me the last month that Knapp will tailor things to the strength of his players is a damn lie. Knapp will run a pure WCO with a pure ZBS….no hybrid schemes at all. This is a 6-10 team……we will have picks in 2013 and get our QB of the future….so I wont trip about the obvious losing campaign we will have in 2012….schit happens but we will be fine…we will be fine
February 29th, 2012 at 11:09 am
Carl Weathers Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:06 am
Frantz Joseph lol!
Here’s an update for ya, John Bowie was signed by the Cincinnati Bengals practice squad on November 16, 2011.
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Here’s another update…..
Doug Jolley is currently a math teacher at Sunset Ridge Middle School in West Jordan, Utah.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Doug Jolley is currently a math teacher at Sunset Ridge Middle School in West Jordan, Utah.
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seriously?
didn’t Al trade him to the Jets for a 2nd rounder?
LOL
February 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
@Dutch
that was Raider O’s nephew, no?
poor #Ohio
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I though O’s nephew got caught with the Shoe-Bonging!
February 29th, 2012 at 11:12 am
Method To My Madness, # 336
I have to agree with Method here. I also think Knapp will be out after 2012.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:13 am
I agree with Method’s analysis, but think we will go 8 and 8 again.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:15 am
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:11 am
Doug Jolley is currently a math teacher at Sunset Ridge Middle School in West Jordan, Utah.
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seriously?
didn’t Al trade him to the Jets for a 2nd rounder?
LOL
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Yes sir!
February 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
If our D improves it can do wonders w/ our Offense, even w/ Knapp as our OC.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:24 am
And the meeting at Oakland City Hall was great! Lot of passionate East Bay folks got on the mic as did the B@uce. They definitely has people who wanna get in bed with that project….especially encouraging seeing HKS Inc. wants to be involved in building the 3 sports venues in Oakland. Them putting up their bid to the city shows someone knows this is a chance at a big money maker. HKS built Lucas Oil Stadium and Jerry’s World….the last two SB sites….as well as the new Barclay Center in Brooklyn opening up this fall…..I believe next Tuesday night the committee will vote on authorization for the predevelopment stuff and the environmental thing a ma jigs lol……very cool. I wasnt exactly popular when I objected to a proposed A’s site off the 980 in West Oakland but oh well.
Thing is this for sure…The Raiders want a new stadium right where they are at now. The Raiders do not wanna leave Oakland due to its location and roots here…….The Warriors want a new arena and keeping SF open as an option if one cant get done in Oakland……..A’s werent even willing to work with the City Council especially at Victory Court by Jack London…but it was admitted that the City wasnt moving fast enough which is a damn shame. Lew Wolff purposely sabotaging team but once the SJ deal falls through, just like when he owned the Warriors in the 80s, he will sell the team. Its a win for us because we can get rid of his ass and keep the team in Oakland.
The arrogance of Ignacio Delafuente pissed me off some….saying we got all the leverage….its that attitude of not being proactive that has hurt this place…Oakland cant be reactive so much. I told the panel this is a chance to make Oakland better for the future and have some vision dammit to give the area some extreme pride
February 29th, 2012 at 11:27 am
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:16 am
If our D improves it can do wonders w/ our Offense, even w/ Knapp as our OC.
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No way…Palmer is awful…we will welcome back being soft with the ZBS…we lack a big WR and wont get a stud this year for that….lack a number 1 wr….and DMAC is now downgraded even if he is healthy…zbs dont fit his style….TROUBLE for 2012 but bright for 2013
February 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Isn’t De La Fuente a coke head, or was that his son?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am
No way…Palmer is awful…
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Palmer is not awful pal. Come to your senses.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:29 am
Amen, B!
February 29th, 2012 at 11:30 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Isn’t De La Fuente a coke head, or was that his son?
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Like father, like son…
February 29th, 2012 at 11:32 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am
Isn’t De La Fuente a coke head, or was that his son?
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I know all his sons.
One is locked up in Quentin.
I do give De La Fuente credit for making some changes to the Fruitvale district.
Ain’t nobody else doing schit to better our communities in Oakland.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Palmer and Carlisle are leaders, and will lead this team to the AFC West title.
Carlisle + Palmer + Lechler = 2012 Team Captains
February 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Robert Carson Palmer= 15-21 record in dec/jan games in his career….so what does that mean? Palmer doesnt finish strong for real when it counts. Just gets empty stats that confuses some as elite QB play. Now you gonna put him in an offense that surely doesnt fit him……someone mentioned him in WCO under Hackett which was a savage joke. If you dont have pro bowl skill position players around Palmer he is below average….the noption of some on this blog who lie and say Palmer can carry a team is ajoke. He never has and never will…..go all the way back to HS….this guy isnt a championship qb….I always am on alert of a QB who sucked all the way through until his Senior year of college when he had super horses all around him….puhleeze spare me…..we dont have a qb still…you are better off trying to go in and out quickly at the DMV off 87th in Oakland than seeing this guy ever win a title as a starter
February 29th, 2012 at 11:35 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:24 am
And the meeting at Oakland City Hall was great!
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As for your comments here, lst off, thank you Bri for going. 2ndly, I never like De la Fuente, but dude has a point. Other than the W’s, where are these teams going to go? The W’s will unfortunately move back to SF. There is too much pull for them to put a arena down by Butt Pack Park. As for the Raiders, they aren’t going anywhere, and Lew Wolff is a Hall of Morons lst ballot inductee. Wolff is now trying to play nice with Oakland A’s fan, Oakland A’s player, and MLB. Even if he got the go ahead from the league, which he won’t, the Giants and the City of Oakland would sue him, and tie the deal up in court for at least 10 years. The Five Blind Boys of Alabama can see that sh** coming. Why can’t Woff?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Palmer and Carlisle are leaders, and will lead this team to the AFC West title.
Carlisle + Palmer + Lechler = 2012 Team Captains
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Lechler is just a punter…..Carlisle is soft and garbage and is 35………Palmer is a surfer boy punk who grew up rich and feels entitled to things…..quit in Cincy….leaders never quit under any circumstance
February 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Palmer’s winning % in November, Dec and Jan is almost doubled that of Soup’s.
So if we had hope to winning games past Thanksgiving the last two years, we should have even more hope next season.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:38 am
leaders never quit under any circumstance
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@Method
No Vince Young signing?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:40 am
Method To My Madness Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:34 am
Robert Carson Palmer= 15-21 record in dec/jan games in his career….so what does that mean?
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Football is the ultimate team game. If he were on the Pittsburgh Squealers or the Dallas Cowgirls or another stalwart franchise I would agree. But he was an overall number one on the Bungholes which meant he joined a poor quality unbelievably dysfunctional franchise. I have a hard time putting that all on him and calling him a loser. Especially since his defenses were very suspect. Kind of like us last year.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Seymour Bush Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:28 am
No way…Palmer is awful…
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Palmer is not awful pal. Come to your senses.
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Haha…quitter…since coming into NFL no one has thrown more pick sixes….never won a playoff game….slow ass molasses cemented feet bum….will not evade pressure……no dog in his soul….tried to be a frontrunner last year with Hue Crapson as his cuddle buddy and sure to have given a good word for TJ Douchemanzadeh. Help lead a 3 game losing streak and losing 4 out of last 5 games to fizzle away AFC West title……..yeah a fkin leader….get outta here
February 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Career record in November and December
Jason Campbell
11-24, 31% winning percentage
Carson Palmer
29-26, 52% winning percentage
We are in a much better shape for 2012, than the last two years, at QB.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Method how the hell are you brother !!
missed you in here the last few days.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:44 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:37 am
Palmer’s winning % in November, Dec and Jan is almost doubled that of Soup’s.
So if we had hope to winning games past Thanksgiving the last two years, we should have even more hope next season.
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JC wasnt even mentioned so again it shows you have nada for me…JC is gone and I keep saying I DONT WANT HIM BACK….so please find someone else to spew that filthy argument to……After Thanksgiving weekend…Raiders went 1 for 5 in 2011……try again Vegas
February 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I just don’t remember this type of concern of not having a winner at QB the last two years.
Campbell never made the playoffs, or even really sniffed them, and thus neither did we with two years here.
Palmer has at least been to the playoffs, and I predict we will win our division next year.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I always am on alert of a QB who sucked all the way through until his Senior year of college when he had super horses all around him….puhleeze spare me
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Funny, never heard you say this about Jason Campbell at Auburn?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jason-campbell-1.html
February 29th, 2012 at 11:46 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:41 am
Career record in November and December
Jason Campbell
11-24, 31% winning percentage
Carson Palmer
29-26, 52% winning percentage
We are in a much better shape for 2012, than the last two years, at QB.
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Again we mentioning JC shows a big insecurity and obsession with the guy. JC is gone Vegas…is that difficult for you to grasp?
Notice I put up his Dec/Jan record and all Vegas can do is put in the niovember with december? Did he just talk about past Thanksgiving? Doesnt that exclude November then? HAHAHAHAHAHA….Vegas try again….that was too easy for me to kill….you outta know better than to try and play me like one of the other lackeys on here
February 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Haha…quitter…since coming into NFL no one has thrown more pick sixes….never won a playoff game….slow ass molasses cemented feet bum….will not evade pressure……no dog in his soul…
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Wouldn’t agree with any of that. Maybe the pick sixes part, but the fact is since I have been watching Raiders games, which is probably much longer than most, Palmer is HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER than ANYTHING we have had here. EVER. Unless as Al Davis’s final act he left us with some super cryonic being that I don’t know about who is yet to be unveiled.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:45 am
I always am on alert of a QB who sucked all the way through until his Senior year of college when he had super horses all around him….puhleeze spare me
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Funny, never heard you say this about Jason Campbell at Auburn?
http://www.sports-reference.com/cfb/players/jason-campbell-1.html
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You guys mentioning JC….now I see what Mistic is talking about with yall…JC isnt here as of now…he isnt coming back….what about that are you missing?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:48 am
And Dutch…we didnt give up a King’s ransom for Palmer and paying him 12.5 million this year? Get back to me on that….thanks buddy
February 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
We keep bringing up Campbell, because nobody heard the concern at QB with you last year, and Palmer is clearly a better more accomplished QB.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
?? Method. if not CP3. then who?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:52 am
Dutch whats even more funny…guess who played in bowl games in their career since you wanna go in on JC?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
Dutch…go on that same site…and see Auburn every year JC played was in a bowl game…..you forget about that buddy?
February 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
You guys mentioning JC….now I see what Mistic is talking about with yall…JC isnt here as of now…he isnt coming back….what about that are you missing?
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Wow, we are talking about your posts from last year during the offseason. When you talked about JC getting another chance, JC being on notice and about JC having to prove himself. That JC is our QB and that isn’t going to change.
Why cannot you give Palmer the same chance?
Heck, If Palmer was traded and JC was resigned I wouldn’t be upset.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Palmer was also promised things by the Bengal organization that they never delivered on, and he stuck it out for 8 years. Hard for me to call that a quitter. I am not going to argue with B though, you could tell him the sky is blue, show him a picture and he would still argue with you.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:49 am
We keep bringing up Campbell, because nobody heard the concern at QB with you last year, and Palmer is clearly a better more accomplished QB.
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You mean no concern at this point in 2011 going into March? Well considering the QB then was JC who didnt lose back to back games..led a win streak and went undefeated in division as well as winning season finale on the road….winning record as starter
What has Carson accomplished for being the number 1 overall pick? Dont answer because all you will do is make a fkin excuse for that Rich boy
February 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Madness
Regarding:
Again we mentioning JC shows a big insecurity and obsession with the guy. JC is gone Vegas…is that difficult for you to grasp?…
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Mentioning JC for comparison is not insecurity but realism. We are not going to get Drew Brees or even one of the great rookie QBs in the draft this year. We have to compare CP to realistic alternatives. Would I rather have Drew Brees or some other pro-bowl QB over CP – yes! But you have to compare apples to apples.
February 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:38 pm
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:21 pm
My Beliefs:
1) RMR – Senior Moderator of the Blog (this is his job)
2) Trolls – other MODS just stirring the pot.
3) This Blog is now going to die because the MODS thought they were more important than the honest, insightful, genuine Raider fan commenters that made this blog interesting and informative as opposed to a stupid, argumentative, soap opera.
Shame on you IBA.
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SOLID POST, AGREE !00%
February 29th, 2012 at 11:58 am
I’ll defintely be looking at alot more Oklahoma tape next year and maybe some USC….
Landry Jones for 2013
February 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
Random Drug Tester Says:
February 28th, 2012 at 10:57 pm
and another thing…Live chat should defer to regular posters on this blog as opposed to answering the same questions over and over while ignoring questions from blog participants.
You (Cork & Jerry) need to start earning this success, because it is quickly going away with the EFFORT you guys have been giving it.
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Another moment of “TRUTH”…
This blog is made by the Semi Pro’s who post daily, and yet newbies and novices get run on the live chats. I don’t really mind as i don’t attend the live spout off’s however, for the Semi’s that do, they should get pref over the rooks IMO….
February 29th, 2012 at 11:59 am
344.Method To My Madness Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:24 am
And the meeting at Oakland City Hall was great! Lot of passionate East Bay folks got on the mic as did the B@uce. They definitely has people who wanna get in bed with that project….especially encouraging seeing HKS Inc. wants to be involved in building the 3 sports venues in Oakland. Them putting up their bid to the city shows someone knows this is a chance at a big money maker. HKS built Lucas Oil Stadium and Jerry’s World….the last two SB sites….as well as the new Barclay Center in Brooklyn opening up this fall…..I believe next Tuesday night the committee will vote on authorization for the predevelopment stuff and the environmental thing a ma jigs lol……very cool. I wasnt exactly popular when I objected to a proposed A’s site off the 980 in West Oakland but oh well.
Thing is this for sure…The Raiders want a new stadium right where they are at now. The Raiders do not wanna leave Oakland due to its location and roots here…….The Warriors want a new arena and keeping SF open as an option if one cant get done in Oakland……..A’s werent even willing to work with the City Council especially at Victory Court by Jack London…but it was admitted that the City wasnt moving fast enough which is a damn shame. Lew Wolff purposely sabotaging team but once the SJ deal falls through, just like when he owned the Warriors in the 80s, he will sell the team. Its a win for us because we can get rid of his ass and keep the team in Oakland.
The arrogance of Ignacio Delafuente pissed me off some….saying we got all the leverage….its that attitude of not being proactive that has hurt this place…Oakland cant be reactive so much. I told the panel this is a chance to make Oakland better for the future and have some vision dammit to give the area some extreme pride
B, that is good news!!! And Screw Wolfe!!!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
DutchRaider77 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:54 am
You guys mentioning JC….now I see what Mistic is talking about with yall…JC isnt here as of now…he isnt coming back….what about that are you missing?
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Wow, we are talking about your posts from last year during the offseason. When you talked about JC getting another chance, JC being on notice and about JC having to prove himself. That JC is our QB and that isn’t going to change.
Why cannot you give Palmer the same chance?
Heck, If Palmer was traded and JC was resigned I wouldn’t be upset.
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Dutch….you been drinking early?….scroll up and see when last year for JC was mentioned by me? It didnt get mentioned until Vegas Raider said it after I lamblasted Palmer because he has no ammo for me on this topic so all he can do is go back to last year with JC which obviously makes his look worse since the team was better under JC and he outdid his lover Gradkowski lol…..you guys just stop because I am routin your asses on this.
Palmer doesnt deserve a chance….he quit and tried to jump on ours as a frontrunner in middle of season because he were in first and had DMAC with young WRs….and whats worse is Palmer is now in an offense that doesnt even fit him…disaster
February 29th, 2012 at 12:00 pm
JFB, hopefully we are square…
February 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:56 am
Madness
Regarding:
Again we mentioning JC shows a big insecurity and obsession with the guy. JC is gone Vegas…is that difficult for you to grasp?…
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Mentioning JC for comparison is not insecurity but realism. We are not going to get Drew Brees or even one of the great rookie QBs in the draft this year. We have to compare CP to realistic alternatives. Would I rather have Drew Brees or some other pro-bowl QB over CP – yes! But you have to compare apples to apples.
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No because JC wasnt eventhe topic….Carson was and him going forward in 2012 withthe WCO…..scroll up my friend and see thats what I was getting at….see from the time I posted…all I talked about is future….JC is in the past and will be with another team….and this blog has seen my posts saying I dont want him back as well if we are indeed going anew
And comparing JC body of work in Oakland to Palmers…well we know who wins that lol
February 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
what happened in Ohio is a tragedy, and I don’t think we should joke about it. I’m a father, and I don’t want people making fun of an incident that involves an injury or death to my children.
I don’t know the pain these parent are feeling (I hope I never find out), but I can understand.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Yes sir, when we cross paths, first few rounds are on me
February 29th, 2012 at 12:03 pm
Seymour Bush Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:47 am
Haha…quitter…since coming into NFL no one has thrown more pick sixes….never won a playoff game….slow ass molasses cemented feet bum….will not evade pressure……no dog in his soul…
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Wouldn’t agree with any of that. Maybe the pick sixes part, but the fact is since I have been watching Raiders games, which is probably much longer than most, Palmer is HEAD AND SHOULDERS BETTER than ANYTHING we have had here. EVER. Unless as Al Davis’s final act he left us with some super cryonic being that I don’t know about who is yet to be unveiled.
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HA…wouldnt agree? Oh okay Palmer evades pressure….he never quit in Cincy and he definitely has dog in his soul as he showed with cincy lmao…Glenny you are a riot
February 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
What has Carson accomplished for being the number 1 overall pick?
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He has accomplished being a ten year NFL starter, and a QB who took the Bengals to the playoffs twice (easier said than done).
Is he one of the best #1 overall’s? Absolutely not, and probably has been a slight disappointment on the whole.
But the guy can play, win games, and will lead us to the division title next year. I have all the confidence in the world in that.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
Doug Jolley is currently a math teacher at Sunset Ridge Middle School in West Jordan, Utah.
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LOL
We stuck it to the Jets. Lmao
We Stuck it to the Texans with the Philip B trade.
Al had his moments.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:05 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:02 pm
Yes sir, when we cross paths, first few rounds are on me
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Actually they should be on me, no excuse for what went down…Was not stand up…
February 29th, 2012 at 12:06 pm
Madness
Regarding your other posts.
I don’t buy the idea that Knapp is going to install a pure WCO system that make CP ineffective. I think he is a better OC than that. I also think that CP is excited – already working with players and is going to take an active role in making this offense work this year. This is a new start for him. While this team may have a record that you predict, I do not think it will because of Knapp. It will be because the defense has no talent after it is gutted and because DMAC did not get on the field enough because of recurring injuries.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:07 pm
Twenty five over under, we still want to read that the bums got cut.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
And comparing JC body of work in Oakland to Palmers…well we know who wins that lol
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What, by 1 game?
Palmer was 4-5 in his first 9 starts, Soup was 5-4 (sandwiched around two benchings).
February 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
Bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 11:55 am
Palmer was also promised things by the Bengal organization that they never delivered on, and he stuck it out for 8 years. Hard for me to call that a quitter. I am not going to argue with B though, you could tell him the sky is blue, show him a picture and he would still argue with you.
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That last little bit about the sky being blue can also be used against you Palmer supporters….you have seen with your own eyes how much this guy sucks……Cincy gets a rookie QB starts winning games…trade Robert Carson to us and gets extra picks to build them into a contender for the next 2 seasons…..mind you after he quit on them….you wouldnt call that being a quitter? Retiring and not showing up period because you dont like the team you are on? People do holdouts but then they bring their asses back….Osi did it and won a title…go figure…he didnt quit….Palmer did….you guys are excusing his cowardice and its sad
February 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
JFB
Palmer did that without DMAC! Big difference…
February 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Al is such a loser. He left oakland up in flames ….. those numbers are scary.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Raiderinparadise Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
Al is such a loser. He left oakland up in flames ….. those numbers are scary.
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Al was always reload and win now and hope for that uncapped year in order to make it all right. I liked that about him but now it is kind of a bummer.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:11 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:08 pm
And comparing JC body of work in Oakland to Palmers…well we know who wins that lol
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What, by 1 game?
Palmer was 4-5 in his first 9 starts, Soup was 5-4 (sandwiched around two benchings).
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Did JC not help in turning us away from being such a cellar dwellar with 10 plus losses every year? Did JC ever have a 3 game losing streak? Did he ever lose back to back games? How many pick sixes did he throw? How many 3 INT games did he have?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
I still think we gave up too much for Palmer. Way overpaid for him in draft picks, and probably salary. I also have some concerns with his gun-slinger mentality, trying to convert every 3rd and 12, even if it means winging it into double-coverage.
But with all that being said, he is way better than what we have had the last 5-6 years, is a streaky QB, and when he is hot, he is absolutely lights out.
I will take the good with the bad next year, and see you haters at our home playoff game next season!!!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
B,
Like you said. The past is the past.
We’re entering a new era of Oakland Raider football.
We’ll have to wait and see whats in store for us.
See u at the opener.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Did JC not help in turning us away from being such a cellar dwellar with 10 plus losses every year?
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Absolutely he did, and he deserves credit for that.
Bruce triaged the Jamarcus debacle, Soup built and advanced upon what Bruce did, and now Palmer will do the same.
Just like Cable triaged the Kiffen fiasco, Hue built and advanced, and now Allen is here to next level the situation.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:09 pm
JFB
Palmer did that without DMAC! Big difference…
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Are you paid to win games under the best circumstances or under any? Injuries happen…excuses are not accepted
February 29th, 2012 at 12:14 pm
Did JC not help in turning us away from being such a cellar dwellar with 10 plus losses every year? Did JC ever have a 3 game losing streak? Did he ever lose back to back games? How many pick sixes did he throw? How many 3 INT games did he have?
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I liked JC too. I just don’t agree with you, I think we got really the best QBs available under the circumstances. We gave up quite a bit to get Palmer but a 4th for JC was a bargain. I do think CP is better the JC especially after watching the SD games this year. Consider this the first SD game he was on a coach not one month earlier!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Sweet mercy. We’s not STILL arguing Soup vs Palmer are we? Maybe we shuold bring Gradskowski back as the backup! That’d twist a few nips in here…
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
ust Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:13 pm
Did JC not help in turning us away from being such a cellar dwellar with 10 plus losses every year?
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Absolutely he did, and he deserves credit for that.
Bruce triaged the Jamarcus debacle, Soup built and advanced upon what Bruce did, and now Palmer will do the same.
Just like Cable triaged the Kiffen fiasco, Hue built and advanced, and now Allen is here to next level the situation.
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Grad didnt do schit….he couldnt win back to back games and got injured and couldnt end the season…..sorry that bs doesnt fly here….Grad sucks and forever will suck….get over it…he is a chump.
Allen will get to next level when he gets a real QB
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Madness
Win games no matter what. Seriously, are you really serious? Of course you have to consider what is around you. Its a team game. Otherwise I guess Tebow was one of the best QBs in the league during the mid to later half of the season while throwing 5-12 completions a game. LOL
February 29th, 2012 at 12:17 pm
JLofty Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:15 pm
Sweet mercy. We’s not STILL arguing Soup vs Palmer are we? Maybe we shuold bring Gradskowski back as the backup! That’d twist a few nips in here…
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Well if you scroll up…see the people who initiated that….I merely talked about Palmer in the WCO in 2012 and going forward in 2013 when we draft our QB of the future
February 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Madness you are killing me – now you are bringing up Gradcowski and you are on these other guys cases for bringing up JC.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Some of you have forgotten our insurance policy…
Al Saunders (Senior Offensive Assistant)
February 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:12 pm
B,
Like you said. The past is the past.
We’re entering a new era of Oakland Raider football.
We’ll have to wait and see whats in store for us.
See u at the opener.
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I know whats in store for 2012….rebuilding…and I’m not mad about it….we just have to do it now and be ready for future….Palmer couldnt lead a fish to water or a pedophile to the playground let alone lead us to the title
February 29th, 2012 at 12:19 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:18 pm
Madness you are killing me – now you are bringing up Gradcowski and you are on these other guys cases for bringing up JC.
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1960….OG….i didnt bring him up….Grad’s favorite poster Vegas Raider did
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Madness
Win games no matter what. Seriously, are you really serious? Of course you have to consider what is around you. Its a team game. Otherwise I guess Tebow was one of the best QBs in the league during the mid to later half of the season while throwing 5-12 completions a game. LOL
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Tebow wins home playoff games….Palmer? Tebow beat Palmer head to head……Did Palmer do that to Tebow? Team and fans believe in Tebow….Palmer? Thanks for playing
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
I recall Reggie saying that he was going to build and not quite re-build. This off season will give us a hint of whats in store for us.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Grads would be a perfect backup for Palmer!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:22 pm
JLofty Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Grads would be a perfect backup for Palmer!
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I rather roll the dice w/ TP
February 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Madness
Bottom line we disagree – You think Palmer is going to suck next year. I think barring injuries he is going to have a good year which is defined as >60% completions >4000 yards and more TDs’ than Ints by at least 7. He will have the best year a Raider has had statistically since Gannon. If DMAC stays healthy we will have a top 7-8 offense. I think Palmer is one of the strengths of this team while you think he is some sort of scrub.
The scary part remains the defense (after being gutted) and can DMAC stay healthy. What we get in FA will tell me a lot about the Defense. If we have an average defesne we will be a playoff team. I just not so sure about that nor am I sure about DMAC’s durability.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:24 pm
Just Fire Baby Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:04 pm
What has Carson accomplished for being the number 1 overall pick?
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He has accomplished being a ten year NFL starter, and a QB who took the Bengals to the playoffs twice (easier said than done).
Is he one of the best #1 overall’s? Absolutely not, and probably has been a slight disappointment on the whole.
But the guy can play, win games, and will lead us to the division title next year. I have all the confidence in the world in that.
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Easier said than done? Dalton did it his first year in Cincy lol.
No he will not lead us to a division title….he hasnt been good since 2005-2006 years…more so 2005.
I have no confidence in Palmer nor do I in any punk ass USC qbs
February 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Madness
Win games no matter what. Seriously, are you really serious? Of course you have to consider what is around you. Its a team game. Otherwise I guess Tebow was one of the best QBs in the league during the mid to later half of the season while throwing 5-12 completions a game. LOL
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Tebow wins home playoff games….Palmer? Tebow beat Palmer head to head……Did Palmer do that to Tebow? Team and fans believe in Tebow….Palmer? Thanks for playing
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Wow with that kind of spin – have you ever thought about politics? By the way that was home playoff Game not games!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
JLofty Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
Grads would be a perfect backup for Palmer!
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You need a backup for a real QB….so therefore we still would be screwed lol
February 29th, 2012 at 12:26 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:25 pm
Method To My Madness Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:21 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:16 pm
Madness
Win games no matter what. Seriously, are you really serious? Of course you have to consider what is around you. Its a team game. Otherwise I guess Tebow was one of the best QBs in the league during the mid to later half of the season while throwing 5-12 completions a game. LOL
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Tebow wins home playoff games….Palmer? Tebow beat Palmer head to head……Did Palmer do that to Tebow? Team and fans believe in Tebow….Palmer? Thanks for playing
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Wow with that kind of spin – have you ever thought about politics? By the way that was home playoff Game not games!
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Wow we nitpicking typos? come on 1960 you’re better than that my friend….even as it stands….Tebow can win in playoffs…Palmer?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
I have no confidence in Palmer
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Well I had none for Soup as well, and he slightly exceeded my expectations.
I expect Palmer will do the same to you.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
B, DMAC, and others…
Not sure about Next weekends game (W’s vs Navs) because no one hsa said anything to me…
A’s game still on?
Come first weekend pre-season…I know who will be there and who will not!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
B, DMAC, and others…
Not sure about Next weekends game (W’s vs Navs) because no one hsa said anything to me…
A’s game still on?
Come first weekend pre-season…I know who will be there and who will not!
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I’m down for the A’s.
We have to come up w/ a date.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
1960AutumnWind Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:23 pm
Madness
Bottom line we disagree – You think Palmer is going to suck next year. I think barring injuries he is going to have a good year which is defined as >60% completions >4000 yards and more TDs’ than Ints by at least 7. He will have the best year a Raider has had statistically since Gannon. If DMAC stays healthy we will have a top 7-8 offense. I think Palmer is one of the strengths of this team while you think he is some sort of scrub.
The scary part remains the defense (after being gutted) and can DMAC stay healthy. What we get in FA will tell me a lot about the Defense. If we have an average defesne we will be a playoff team. I just not so sure about that nor am I sure about DMAC’s durability.
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I seriously doubt that…Palmer isnt good anymore…but we shall see….I’ll spend much more time in the Irish Pub than in my seat this year and also the westside clubhouse…i’m going to have fun not expecting alot of wins…Knapp and Palmer with WCO/ZBS in Oakland? Disaster
February 29th, 2012 at 12:29 pm
anyways gotta run to lunch for a sec….holla at yall later
February 29th, 2012 at 12:30 pm
Madness
Honestly – The Ravens QB won a playoff game for crine out loud and he is terrible – this is a team sport. Tebow is a terrible QB that will eventually be moved to some sort of TE position and be relegated to some sort of wildcat offence eventually – he can’t throw consistently.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
Hey by your logic Madness I guess Mark Sanchez is awesome because he has won playoff games!?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
421.DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
B, DMAC, and others…
Not sure about Next weekends game (W’s vs Navs) because no one hsa said anything to me…
A’s game still on?
Come first weekend pre-season…I know who will be there and who will not!
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I’m down for the A’s.
We have to come up w/ a date.
I think Dirt Lot said he had tix for the Yankees game??
February 29th, 2012 at 12:33 pm
Brandon McCarthy and his hot azz wife were on the cover of ESPN magazine’s “Analytical Issue”, talking about his ability to throw ground balls.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Let me be clear B, this talk of Palmer as you see him is not what I see. Let’s move forward, let’s give him an opportunity for a offseason with the WR’S and OTA’S and a playbook he can absorb with a new OC.
He is in Silver n Black, and I will support him to the end, just as I did Marc Wilson or Jay Schroeder.
I don’t care what college he went to, or if he hasn[t won a playoff game, he is our Raider Nation QB.
I don’t believe in hope and facts right now are not good, based on his performance last season.
I’m willing to be open minded for right now,and hope it will materilize as a great trade for the Raider Organization.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:36 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:31 pm
421.DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:28 pm
hwnrdr Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:27 pm
B, DMAC, and others…
Not sure about Next weekends game (W’s vs Navs) because no one hsa said anything to me…
A’s game still on?
Come first weekend pre-season…I know who will be there and who will not!
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I’m down for the A’s.
We have to come up w/ a date.
I think Dirt Lot said he had tix for the Yankees game??
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That should be on the weekend, right?
I’m down.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I am not going to argue with B though, you could tell him the sky is blue, show him a picture and he would still argue with you.
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BCZ,
you related to ROG?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
I have no confidence in Palmer nor do I in any punk ass USC qbs
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now we know.. it not Palmer Method hates so much
its ALL USC qbs !!!!!
if Palmer played at Maryland maybe he wouldnt be so
hated !!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
http://blog.sfgate.com/athletics/files/2012/02/E-030512-COVERPROMO.jpeg
Yeah, is wifey is hot!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:39 pm
@Raider Dell
Great Post!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
You need a backup for a real QB….so therefore we still would be screwed
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ROG hates Terrelle Pryor too, now?
man we have NOTHING in common!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
We stuck it to the Jets. Lmao
We Stuck it to the Texans with the Philip B trade.
Al had his moments.
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We stuck it to the Pats with the Gabriel & Burgess trades
February 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
Raider Dell Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:34 pm
Let me be clear B, this talk of Palmer as you see him is not what I see. Let’s move forward, let’s give him an opportunity for a offseason with the WR’S and OTA’S and a playbook he can absorb with a new OC.
He is in Silver n Black, and I will support him to the end, just as I did Marc Wilson or Jay Schroeder.
I don’t care what college he went to, or if he hasn[t won a playoff game, he is our Raider Nation QB.
I don’t believe in hope and facts right now are not good, based on his performance last season.
I’m willing to be open minded for right now,and hope it will materilize as a great trade for the Raider Organization.
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D@MN IT DALE!!!!
Don’t you dare go talking about Jay Schroeder like that!!! He was the mad bomber! He did not care who was covering who he was going to throw that deep ball come rain or snow!!! Throw the deep route and ask questions later.
He was not concerned with INTs sort of like…Palmer??
Dale you are on to something LMAO!!!!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
So who will be the next player to be discarded?
I say TK or maybe Wimbley.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:46 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:41 pm
You need a backup for a real QB….so therefore we still would be screwed
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ROG hates Terrelle Pryor too, now?
man we have NOTHING in common!
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RR I am your buddy man. I think TP could start tomorrow man.
Now that should make you feel better. : )
February 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
Bruce triaged the Jamarcus debacle, Soup built and advanced upon what Bruce did, and now Palmer will do the same.
Just like Cable triaged the Kiffen fiasco, Hue built and advanced, and now Allen is here to next level the situation
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good call, JFB.
progress!!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:47 pm
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:44 pm
So who will be the next player to be discarded?
I say TK or maybe Wimbley.
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Wimbley is gone next. you can’t justify his cash.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
434. Pryor in a West Coast could take 3 yrs or more and never pan out.
We do needf a vet back up but Garrad may need a yr to recover from back surgery.
Who could be our back up?
If KC makes a move for Peytie Pie or RG III our 2nd QB could be… Kyle Orton
Again, I apologies for posting this link over and over but those who know, know that RMR has been posing as an imposter under my name.
This is the only way to defeat him cuz he hates RNS.
Sorry all.
http://www.raidernationstation.com/
February 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
So who will be the next player to be discarded?
I say TK or maybe Wimbley.
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@DMAC
both players have agreed to restructure if we dump #55
February 29th, 2012 at 12:49 pm
440. Agreed. Kelly could be next but there will def be some juggling.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
442. Link or kidding?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:50 pm
I can’t believe a Jamaarcus Russel signed jersey is still selling around $-300.00-400.00.
Why?????? LMAO who would buy it?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:52 pm
X,
why do we need a veteran QB when Carson Palmer is our starter?
Who have been the Giants & Colts backup QB’s over the years?
guys like Jim Sorgi, Jesse Palmer & Curtis Painter …
I’ll keep Pryor for peanuts over shelling out $2-4 million per season for Orton as #2 QB
February 29th, 2012 at 12:53 pm
@CJL
nobody would pay $4 for a Russell jersey.
I doubt anybody is sporting JaWalrus for $400!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:54 pm
I wouldn’t take a russell jersey for free.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I’ll keep Pryor for peanuts over shelling out $2-4 million per season for Orton as #2 QB
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A vet needs to be brought in to compete with Pryor in camp and preseason, if Pryor proves he can play in that time frame, the vet can be cut loose, but it would be a mistake to just hand Pryor the reigns as the backup when he has taken exactly 1 snap in the NFL
February 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
I don’t think Kelly is going anywhere. Not this year.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Kelly is going to restructure his contract. I think we try to keep Kelly unless they go to a 3-4 defense then he is gone in search of a true nose guard.
I would not care either way. He is just as much as a waste as Seymour. Our D-line trys to be hard but they are soft man. Only good for dumb penalties.
February 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I’ll keep Pryor for peanuts over shelling out $2-4 million per season for Orton as #2 QB
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A vet needs to be brought in to compete with Pryor in camp and preseason, if Pryor proves he can play in that time frame, the vet can be cut loose, but it would be a mistake to just hand Pryor the reigns as the backup when he has taken exactly 1 snap in the NFL
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Garrard?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I’m down w/ Gerrard, but will he be healthy?
February 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
CJ Legend 34 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:55 pm
Kelly is going to restructure his contract. I think we try to keep Kelly unless they go to a 3-4 defense
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Hybrid defense coming to a Raider game near you!
February 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I’m down w/ Gerrard, but will he be healthy
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He has said in multiple interviews that he will be ready by camp
February 29th, 2012 at 1:00 pm
bcz24 Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:59 pm
DMAC Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:58 pm
I’m down w/ Gerrard, but will he be healthy
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He has said in multiple interviews that he will be ready by camp
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If that’s the case. I’m all for Gerrard to compete w/ TP.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:01 pm
Im a giant TP fan and cant wait to see him in Pre Season…But I know he’s been out clubbing in the city and Walnut Creek and I understand it’s his offseason but if I was him I would be working extra hard tryna prove to every1 that Im not a wideout and a QB.I just hope he’s been working out and working on his footwork..
February 29th, 2012 at 1:02 pm
A vet needs to be brought in to compete with Pryor in camp and preseason
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@BCZ
I don’t think Pryor expects to be handed anything. I think he would enjoy some friendly competition.
However, bringing in a big name like Orton or Campbell (re-signed) means they have already made up their mind on who the backup QB will be
I think Pryor would beat out guys like Boller, McCown, Whitehurst, Garrard, Leftwich & Batch – all vet minimum guys imo
February 29th, 2012 at 1:03 pm
You know who I think may have the most trouble in Knapp’s zone blocking offense? Taiwan Jones.
In preseason he did not seem to time his blocks well.
Was all speed man!!! I recall how it took DMAC some time to work in that system as well. But before he of course hurt his foot aginst KC he was having a big game.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:05 pm
You know who I think may have the most trouble in Knapp’s zone blocking offense? Taiwan Jones.
In preseason he did not seem to time his blocks well.
Was all speed man!!!
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TJones, meet Kelly Skipper
February 29th, 2012 at 1:06 pm
2012 List of Notable Free Agents
http://www.nfl.com/news/story/09000d5d82706e3a/article/notable-nfl-free-agents-in-the-2012-class
February 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
Need a backup QB?
here’s the list
http://www.footballsfuture.com/freeagents.html
Brees & Smith aren’t going anywhere.
Matt Flynn will get starter money someplace (Miami?)
I don’t want McNabb or Young.
Orton, Campbell & Grossman too pricey
I’ll Pryor over any of those other guys !!
Shaun Hill & Chad Henne might be worth a look?
February 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
If that’s the case. I’m all for Gerrard to compete w/ TP.
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Whomever is brought in will get beat out by TP as the #2.
we have our backup QB, and our future starter in TP…
TP = Future of the NATION….
No doubts what so ever…TP will be the MAN…
February 29th, 2012 at 1:10 pm
I’ll Pryor over any of those other guys !!
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I’ll Pryor also…
February 29th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
RR what do you think about John Hillis RB for the Browns serving in a RB role? He is not in a position to ask for top dollar anymore? He may be the Thunder to DMACs Lightning!
I like cedric benson myself even though the guy is trouble he eats up yards and will punish the defense. I think he runs harder than Bush sometimes.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:12 pm
No way Dell.
I bleed silver and black, it’s an infection I cannot rid myself of, but I DID NOT and still DO NOT support in any way, shape, or form, Marc Wilson and/or Jay Shroeder. Those guys sucked from day one and made me age prematurely way before my time.
When Palmer sucks as bad as those guys I’ll be calling for his head. Carson needs to but down the ints for sure, but NOTHING I saw reminded me of MW or JS.
Cheers,
JLofty
February 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Henne looked pretty good the few times I seen him play.
Shaun Hill, not so much. Kind of suckier Jason Campbell…
February 29th, 2012 at 1:14 pm
Taiwan Jones Pryor….Man we have a lot of young projects. I will be glad to see when this all comes together man.
http://www.raiders.com/media-vault/videos/Taiwan-Jones-Draft-Flashback/a38e22b4-b670-4f6d-b185-4f29883bb549
February 29th, 2012 at 1:15 pm
DMAC, I think the Yankees game is on a Saturday!
February 29th, 2012 at 1:16 pm
Chad Hennee would not be a bad back up. His feet are not great and sometimes he puts to much air under the ball but maybe he would not be a bad back up.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
CJL,
Peyton Hillis is only 26 years old and he was a BEAST in 2010. not sure what happened last year, but somebody said he sat out a few games he could have played in, which made his Browns coaches & teammates question his toughness and commitment …
He’s fumbled 10 times in his last 23 starts – so expect BSJ to be against the move
February 29th, 2012 at 1:18 pm
Shaun Hill put some good games together for the Lions would be a decent back up.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:21 pm
RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 1:17 pm
CJL,
Peyton Hillis is only 26 years old and he was a BEAST in 2010. not sure what happened last year, but somebody said he sat out a few games he could have played in, which made his Browns coaches & teammates question his toughness and commitment …
He’s fumbled 10 times in his last 23 starts – so expect BSJ to be against the move
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Well said…..And that is why the upside makes him an interesting prospect based on his 2010 production, and the downside..Well it is like you just said.
Hard to imagine this guy actually made the cover of Madden. The curse continues!
February 29th, 2012 at 1:22 pm
The news that the Raiders have $145 million in salary cap commitments for 2012 was surprising, for a couple of reasons. First, no one really knew where the Raiders were in relation to the cap. Second, the results don’t mesh with the notion that the Raiders have a high-end team.
http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/29/raiders-can-clear-plenty-of-cap-space-quickly/
February 29th, 2012 at 1:23 pm
Maybe we can bring Nick bell out of retirement to play a back up RB role.
I bet Vince Evans would come out of retirement as a back up QB for us. : )
February 29th, 2012 at 1:26 pm
442.RaiderRockstar Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 12:48 pm
So who will be the next player to be discarded?
I say TK or maybe Wimbley.
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@DMAC
both players have agreed to restructure if we dump #55
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Is that true?
Are you speculating?
February 29th, 2012 at 1:30 pm
X & DJG
just kidding regarding Black Ricky Brown (#55)
February 29th, 2012 at 1:33 pm
#477,
Lol. Ok. I liked the sound of it though.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:36 pm
What has Carson accomplished for being the number 1 overall pick?
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Pro Bowl Q, led entire NFL in TD’s, led entire NFL in completion percentage. That was he has done. Sounds good to me….
February 29th, 2012 at 1:44 pm
I’ll bet Reggie is getting a kick over Raider Nation pizzing itself over an unsubstantiated PFT article which is guessing what our cap situation is.
lmao
February 29th, 2012 at 1:46 pm
Cut Chris Johnson.
That is a done deal.
Heck, cut anyone and everyone on D and bring in a bunch of guys for the league minmum and add a high priced FA DL, LB, and DB.
That should do it.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:47 pm
10 team MLB playoff?
WTF? Might as well let them all in and play a round-robin!
February 29th, 2012 at 1:53 pm
I would bet $ that you could form a defense of nothing but practice squad players from other teams, give them decent coaching, and THAT team would find a way to make the stops that our 2011 D could not man up and make.
I hate everyone and everything associated with the 2011 Raider “defense” if that’s what you wanna call that pathetic group of lame-o’s.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:55 pm
I would bet $ that you could form a defense of nothing but practice squad players from other teams, give them decent coaching, and THAT team would find a way to make the stops that our 2011 D could not man up and make.
I hate everyone and everything associated with the 2011 Raider “defense” if that’s what you wanna call that pathetic group of lame-o’s.
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@DJG
we are on the same page!
February 29th, 2012 at 1:58 pm
In response to a question from a reporter as to his thoughts on the team’s execution, Bucs HC John McKay responded “I’m all in favor of it”.
That’s how I feel about the 2011 Raider “defense”.
February 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
This is why the NFL contracts and salary cap figures should be public information.
Imagine how many hit this site alone would give to nfl.com if they had the info we are all looking for right there for all to see?
February 29th, 2012 at 1:59 pm
484,
i third the motion
February 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
all those in favor of posts 483/484/487; just say,
“Aye!”
February 29th, 2012 at 2:02 pm
Rockstar, If Reggie and Dennis are watching tape of all the games (which i’m sure they are) than we gotta think they will come to the same conclusion.
I think the defensive cuts alone should get us under the cap.
February 29th, 2012 at 2:04 pm
488.RaiderRetribution Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 2:00 pm
all those in favor of posts 483/484/487; just say,
“Aye!”
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I’ll help chip in for a billboard…
February 29th, 2012 at 2:05 pm
منتديات ابو نواف …
[...]Report: Raiders more than $25 million over projected cap figure – Inside the Oakland Raiders – A look inside the world of the highly classified Oakland Raiders from the writers of Bay Area News Group[...]…
February 29th, 2012 at 2:14 pm
What the heck…I just posted and it didn’t show up.
February 29th, 2012 at 2:18 pm
Maverick,
You either used a banned word, posted a prohibited link, or your post was a complete duplicate of what you said already on this blog post.
You might be surprised as which words are banned….for a while you couldn’t say “shoes”!
February 29th, 2012 at 2:19 pm
You can’t say Ob@ma.
February 29th, 2012 at 2:23 pm
Here is another site that has a different cap number for us:
http://www.sun-sentinel.com/sports/miami-dolphins/sfl-nfl-salary-cap-teams-2012,0,5969798.htmlstory
February 29th, 2012 at 3:21 pm
We’re back up?
February 29th, 2012 at 3:23 pm
I’m just waiting for someone to mention Hines Ward….
February 29th, 2012 at 3:24 pm
Raider Nation-Station
NEW!~ 02-29-12: COMBAT BEY
“Football is like war. WR Darrius Heyward Bey is like Paul Warfield. They all share similarities and one commonality. Their technique doesn’t have to be pretty, it just has to work.”
http://www.raidernationstation.com/raider_huddle
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Bey the next Warfield? I’d be down with that…
February 29th, 2012 at 3:25 pm
Here is another cap story from CSN Bay Area
Here they are trying to give the Base salary and the cap number. Usually the base salary is what you can save when you cut if it is not guaranteed. The other part of the Cap is usually previously given money like a roster or signing bonus. Kevin Boss we were arguing over did not have a 4.75 million cap number but a 2 million number. It turns out that 2 million is his base salary while 4.75 million is his cap hit if this article can be believed.
http://www.csnbayarea.com/blog/raiders-talk/post/Which-big-contracts-will-Raiders-restruc?blockID=660696&feedID=2801
February 29th, 2012 at 3:27 pm
Ok Ray i’ll bite. Hines Ward. His best days may be behind him but his veteran leadership and killer instinct would not hurt our recievers at all. He would probably want too much $$$. IMO
February 29th, 2012 at 3:36 pm
Whats new Raider nation?
I´ve been taking peeks at the scouting combine. Really can’t tell the good prospects from the bad. Just a group of awesome athletes altogether.
Really looking forward to the draft. I really believe big mac will improve our personnel significantly this offseason. just releasing Routt was a huge addition by substraction.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:38 pm
we need some help on D. we have a bunch of proyects that are good athletes but subpar players. lets get some football players in-here, sprinkle in a project here and there, and lets win some frigin football games.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
the salary cap thing is a bunch of print to sell some ads. no way they are over the cap come spetember. no way they let go of their best players. just restructure or cut some of these overpaid fellas.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
echo
February 29th, 2012 at 3:40 pm
…echo…
February 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
some other thoughts…. for all this economic recovery I gotta say, Midtown Manhattan was friggin empty by 10pm last weekend. that would have been alarmingly unusual 5 years ago. that tells me the economy is still very much in the mud.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:44 pm
Macho
I really think Reg is gonna make some moves in the FA market and pull a rabbit out of his arse(hat) come draft day. The D is gonna be good to great next season. I think allen is gonna coach some guys up and we will be pleasantly surprised.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:47 pm
For the next year or so McKenzie is going to have to do it with smoke and mirrors. That’s the bad news. The good news:
Tony Romo, Bart Scott, James Harrison, Ryan Clark, Benjarvis Green-Ellis, Kris Dielman, Ryan Grant, Antonio Gates, Brent Grimes,Wes Welker all undrafted.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:48 pm
I love a good magic show. I personally don’t give a sh.t how he does it as lond as he does it.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
Macho Man Randy Savage Says:
February 29th, 2012 at 3:42 pm
some other thoughts…. for all this economic recovery I gotta say, Midtown Manhattan was friggin empty by 10pm last weekend. that would have been alarmingly unusual 5 years ago. that tells me the economy is still very much in the mud.
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That’s interesting. Because in the southern US and here in the Bay Area people are out. And I mean out. Now, maybe with $5 gas that is going to crimp things….
February 29th, 2012 at 3:51 pm
*long
That being said I’m glad Chris Angel isn’t our GM that dude is a freak.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:52 pm
Just realized who mark David looks like. Bucky Larson.
February 29th, 2012 at 3:54 pm
I kinda thought he looked like Alfred E Newman with Red hair.
February 29th, 2012 at 6:13 pm
[...] are the next most-cash-strapped team, at more than $129 million for their top 51 players. Source: Oakland Tribune [...]
March 1st, 2012 at 1:19 am
Want to clear cap room space in a hurry! Get rid of Palmer, Seymour, DMC, Boller, and two no load skating players not playing up to their potential! Their’s the cap space and more for the Raiders!
March 3rd, 2012 at 11:39 pm
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April 13th, 2012 at 10:12 am
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